| IVOD_ID |
158850 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158850 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-15,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
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內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-13T12:37:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-13T12:45:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/293c543958a38e478c7d9f2e32aeef6929f121d6a4fe60dd20fa0258716fbc777446958c994ab1495ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:37:50 - 12:45:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、繼續審查委員賴士葆等20人擬具「地方制度法第七條之一條文修正草案」案。二、繼續審查委員陳玉珍等18人擬具「地方制度法增訂第七條之四條文草案」案。三、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「地方制度法第八十三條之三條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「地方制度法第五十二條及第六十一條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員蘇清泉等27人擬具「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員陳玉珍等18人擬具「地方制度法第五十六條條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員李坤城等20人擬具「地方制度法第七十八條條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員李彥秀等16人擬具「地方制度法第五十五條及第五十六條條文修正草案」案。九、審查委員高金素梅等18人擬具「地方制度法第八十三條之三條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員魯明哲等16人擬具「地方制度法第七條之一條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員徐巧芯等21人擬具「地方制度法第五十五條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員盧縣一等18人擬具「地方制度法部分條文修正草案」案。） |
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主席 再當委員先進 列席了正午軍方首長 官員會長 觀眾夥伴 媒體記者 女士先生那麼因為部長就在面前了 我就不用再請了那倒是主席剛剛說 我們下午還要再討論在這個發言之前呢 還是要跟主席表達一下因為東央都是擔任委員會的召委今天我們看到了突然之間 一個繼續審查 本來只有兩項 |
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後來增加了十項那這十項當中呢除了第十二項呢盧委員的部分條文之外我看這其他九項當中啊一共呢就有有六個 |
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項目呢是互相有重疊的那今天我們來準備這麼多的項目像我突然到這裡呢發現了居然有一個33條要修正那可能我們待會我準備的個人準備的是55條56條那我是覺得主席安排這麼多的內容但我們只剩一個下午可以討論真的實在是會讓地方 |
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尤其地方制度法關係的不是我們立法委員在這個時間的問責內容還關係到地方的發展那麼舉例來講我這邊就開始來請教不見得只有一個下午可以討論你們民進黨的委員都太緊張了好不好 |
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你們都太緊張了不是只有一個下午本席剛剛也都回覆了因為沒有聽到剛剛主席的宣告那麼我就開始在進入正題之前我先請教一下劉部長第33條我看了一下這些意見內容蘇清泉委員提案委員他說提案重點在1萬人以下的鄉鎮市其代表會的代表總額每減少1000人減少1席到減少5席5席是基本 |
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屏東縣呢因為大概跟很多的農業縣一樣人口外流各鄉鎮人口都在減少但是我看經過內政部的統計之後呢你們說會有部分的代表會會減少那有的代表會會增加會有這樣的情況喔不是人口都在減少當中嗎什麼情況之下這個代表會的息才會成長呢 |
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我先跟那個委員回覆一下現在有關於鄉鎮市民代表會席次影響的部分有38個那裡面的減少一席的有7個減少兩席的有30個我是問說什麼情況還有增加 |
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增加的原因是目前1萬人以上的最多11人1萬人以下是什麼情況會增加增加的是原來已經減少目前已經有9個鄉鎮因為降到1萬人以下已經減少變成5個 |
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對對對 七個七個 那如果這個條文通過它會變成在往上增加變成八個或九個是 但是有更多的鄉鎮會減少好 我了解 實際部長我就會說的地方制度法 遷移法動全身 知識體大其實像這種條文如果沒有到地方上去開公聽會我們還真的很難去綜合屏東縣有三十四個鄉鎮包括離島 包括原鄉真的要好好討論但是今天我要討論的重點呢今天我們的標題啊 |
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今天這個地制法修法我們看到了這55條56條到底是要解誰的套是要加惠我們全國的縣市地方施政還是稠容考量來我們請教一下部長到底人口數面積跟服務員全場服務員就是長度地理區域的長度哪些您覺得你過去也擔任過地方的副首長你覺得對地方政府的業務影響最大 |
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我想都有影響吧都有影響地方政府效能最大應該是公務人員吧是的不是只是在上面的副首長其實我跟您都一樣擔任副首長其實充足的基層公務員才是最重要的關涉到政府地方效能的要看人口數、面積跟服務員這些都要討論我們看下一張其實我們看一下舉例以這個台北市跟桃園市哪一個面積大桃園嘛人口數誰多 |
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未來戶籍人口戶籍人口的話現在台北市比較多但是未來桃園市會增加的非常快好那我們看一看桃園人口繼續在成長到明年九月台北市就不足250萬了相對的可能桃園還會繼續成長結果呢國民黨委員11月提案說直轄市要設三個副市長那是增加在哪裡 |
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以這個委員所提供的資料來看的話是增加台北市台北市所以只有台北市人口在逐漸減少面積沒有比別人大的台北市反而會增加所以我們就不禁疑惑這樣的制度設計是量身定智為特定人士還是說基於整個地方政府的有效行政效率的推動我們往下看 |
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好那台北市人口變化我們看一下從12年到現在它其實人口是在減少的在12年5月的時候呢到13年9月台北市 |
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達任命三個副市長門檻的呢他已經達到了喔他還是只有兩個副市長結果呢現在人口在下降了他反而呢要把他的副市長增加了那麼請問蔣市長蔣萬恩市長呢他在113年9月25號到目前都兩個副市長你覺得台北市政有沒有受到影響啊 |
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跟中委稍微報告一下現在他們是三位副市長他們現在是三位副市長因為他們在8月報上來的時候250萬就給他了現在還是三位副市長所以在這之前他這兩位副市長的時候台北市政府運作有障礙 |
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我想不便回答 因為北京台北市政府也有列席我們行政院的院會好 那我們來往下看所以提出這樣的一個地質法的修法那它的人口數在下降當中如果不修法是不是最近任命的第三位副市長或三位副市長當中會有一位就必須要去職 |
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我們大概是在下一屆才試用下一屆才試用下一屆才試用那如果說他下一屆試用他如果現在三位友人跑去選舉了控了那一位在下一屆試用前可以補嗎沒有修法的狀況之下大概就不能夠補沒有修法的狀況就不能補了所以大家聽清楚了 |
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所以目前我們大家在那邊忙趙偉很辛苦拍了這麼多案結果呢聽來聽去就是台北市剛剛的趕快的在113年9月之前他都沒關係兩個副市長趕快的提升為第三個副市長然後呢要趕快推動修法因為呢萬一三位副市長中有人去選舉選完了不管有沒有選上如果沒有選上 |
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如果沒有修法他就回不來了所以我們希望我們今天的第一治法的修法應該是可長可遠可長可久不要是因人設事那也希望我們主席能夠像涉及到六都以外像剛剛那種鄉鎮市民代表會突然之間跑出這樣一個提案我們希望要慎重是不是能夠有到地方上去多聽聽鄉鎮市的意見 |
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讓這些代表們來表達心聲尤其是農業縣鄉鎮多人口少的部分知識體大希望能夠召開公聽會那就謝謝主席也謝謝部長 |
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主席、在場的委員先進、列席的政府機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。 |
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因為部長就在面前，我就不用再請了。 |
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倒是主席剛剛說，我們下午還要再討論，在發言之前還是要跟主席表達一下，因為同樣都是擔任委員會的召委，今天我們看到突然之間，繼續審查本來只有兩項，後來增加了10項，這10項當中，除了第12項盧委員的部分條文之外，我看其他9項當中，一共有6個項目是互相重疊的。 |
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今天準備這麼多的項目，像我到這裡突然發現了，居然有一個是第三十三條要修正，而我個人準備的是第五十五條、第五十六條。 |
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我覺得主席安排這麼多的內容，但我們只剩一個下午可以討論，真的實在是會讓地方……尤其地方制度法關係的不只是我們立法委員在這個時間的問政內容，還關係到地方的發展。 |
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舉例來講，我就開始來請教部長…… |
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沒有、沒有！ |
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2025-01-13T12:39:05.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
本席可以馬上回應你，不見得只有一個下午可以討論，你們民進黨的委員都太緊張了，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.763 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2025-01-13T12:39:16.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2025-01-13T12:39:17.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
我以為是……所以不是只有一個下午？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2025-01-13T12:39:17.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2025-01-13T12:39:18.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
對，不是只有一個下午，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2025-01-13T12:39:18.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2025-01-13T12:39:19.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
好，因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2025-01-13T12:39:17.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2025-01-13T12:39:19.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
本席剛剛也回復了很多委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2025-01-13T12:39:19.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2025-01-13T12:39:20.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
對不起！ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2025-01-13T12:39:20.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2025-01-13T12:39:23.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
因為我剛剛在司法委員會主持會議，所以沒有聽到剛剛主席的宣告，那麼我就開始。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.559 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2025-01-13T12:39:24.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2025-01-13T12:39:38.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
在進入正題之前，我先請教一下劉部長，我看了第三十三條的意見內容，提案委員蘇清泉說，提案重點在1萬人以下的鄉鎮市，其代表會的代表總額每減少1,000人，減少1席到減少5席，5席是基本。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2025-01-13T12:39:41.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2025-01-13T12:39:46.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
因為屏東縣跟很多農業縣一樣人口外流，各鄉鎮人口都在減少。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2025-01-13T12:39:47.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2025-01-13T12:39:54.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
但是我看經過內政部的統計之後，你們說有部分的代表會會減少，有的代表會會增加，會有這樣的情況？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2025-01-13T12:39:54.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2025-01-13T12:39:57.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
不是人口都在減少當中嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2025-01-13T12:39:57.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2025-01-13T12:39:59.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
什麼情況之下，代表會的席次還會成長呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2025-01-13T12:40:00.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2025-01-13T12:40:02.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
我先回復一下委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2025-01-13T12:40:03.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2025-01-13T12:40:06.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
現在有關鄉鎮市民代表會席次影響的部分有38個，裡面減少1席的有7個，減少2席的有31個。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2025-01-13T12:40:06.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2025-01-13T12:40:07.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
我是問什麼情況會增加？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2025-01-13T12:40:07.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2025-01-13T12:40:10.967500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
增加1席的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2025-01-13T12:40:10.967500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2025-01-13T12:40:14.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
什麼情況會增加？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2025-01-13T12:40:14.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2025-01-13T12:40:20.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
增加的原因是目前1萬人以上的，最多11人，1萬人以下是到7人。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2025-01-13T12:40:21.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2025-01-13T12:40:21.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
什麼情況會增加？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2025-01-13T12:40:22.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2025-01-13T12:40:29.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
增加的是原來已經減少，目前已經有9個鄉鎮因為降到1萬人以下，已經減少…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2025-01-13T12:40:29.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2025-01-13T12:40:32.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
變成5個？對……7個。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2025-01-13T12:40:32.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2025-01-13T12:40:37.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
如果這個條文通過，會再往上增加變成8個或9個？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
鄭司長英弘 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2025-01-13T12:40:37.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2025-01-13T12:40:39.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
是，但是有更多的鄉鎮會減少。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2025-01-13T12:40:40.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2025-01-13T12:40:41.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
好，我了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2025-01-13T12:40:42.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2025-01-13T12:40:55.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
部長，所以我說地方制度法牽一髮動全身，茲事體大，像這種條文如果沒有到地方上開公聽會，我們還真的很難去綜合，屏東縣有33個鄉鎮，包括離島、原鄉，真的要好好討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2025-01-13T12:40:55.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2025-01-13T12:41:03.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
但今天我要討論的重點是，今天的標題是地制法修法，我們看到第五十五條、第五十六條，到底是要解誰的套？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2025-01-13T12:41:04.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2025-01-13T12:41:07.223000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
是要嘉惠全國縣市地方施政，還是其他考量？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2025-01-13T12:41:07.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2025-01-13T12:41:19.774000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我請教一下部長，人口數、面積跟幅員全長，幅員就是地理區域的長度，你過去也擔任過地方的副首長，你覺得哪些對地方政府的業務影響最大？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2025-01-13T12:41:23.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2025-01-13T12:41:24.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
我想都有影響吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2025-01-13T12:41:25.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2025-01-13T12:41:25.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
都有影響？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2025-01-13T12:41:25.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2025-01-13T12:41:28.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
影響地方政府效能最大應該是公務人員吧？是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2025-01-13T12:41:29.614000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2025-01-13T12:41:41.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
不只是在上面的副首長，我跟您都一樣擔任過副首長，其實充足的基層公務員才是最重要的，關涉到政府地方效能的，要看人口數、面積跟幅員，這些都要討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2025-01-13T12:41:43.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2025-01-13T12:41:46.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
舉例而言，臺北市跟桃園市哪一個面積大？桃園。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2025-01-13T12:41:46.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2025-01-13T12:41:46.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
未來誰的人口數多？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2025-01-13T12:41:53.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2025-01-13T12:41:58.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
戶籍人口的話，現在臺北市比較多，但是未來桃園市會增加得非常快。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2025-01-13T12:41:59.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2025-01-13T12:42:10.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
桃園的人口繼續在成長，到明年9月臺北市就不足250萬了，相對的，桃園可能還會繼續成長，結果國民黨的委員11月提案，說直轄市要設3個副市長，那是增加在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2025-01-13T12:42:15.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2025-01-13T12:42:19.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
以委員所提供的資料來看的話，是增加臺北市。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2025-01-13T12:42:19.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2025-01-13T12:42:20.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
臺北市？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2025-01-13T12:42:20.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2025-01-13T12:42:35.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
所以只有臺北市，人口在逐漸減少、面積沒有比別人大的臺北市反而會增加，所以我們就不禁疑惑，這樣的制度設計是為特定人士量身訂製，還是基於地方政府行政效率的有效推動？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2025-01-13T12:42:38.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2025-01-13T12:42:57.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
我們看一下臺北市的人口變化，從112年到現在人口是在減少的，113年9月臺北市已經達到任命3個副市長的門檻，卻還是只有2個副市長，結果現在人口在下降了，他反而要把它的副市長增加。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.811 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:00.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2025-01-13T12:43:07.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
請問蔣萬安市長從113年9月25號到目前都只有2個副市長，你覺得臺北市政有沒有受到影響？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:11.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2025-01-13T12:43:13.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
現在他們是3位副市長。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:13.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2025-01-13T12:43:14.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
他們現在是3位副市長？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:14.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2025-01-13T12:43:18.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
對，因為他們在8月報上來的是250萬，所以我們就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.579 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:18.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2025-01-13T12:43:18.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
就給他了？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:18.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2025-01-13T12:43:19.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
3位副市長。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:18.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2025-01-13T12:43:19.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
對，現在還是3位副市長。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:19.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2025-01-13T12:43:24.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
所以在這之前、2位副市長的時候，臺北市政府運作有障礙？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:28.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2025-01-13T12:43:29.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我想你不便回答…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:29.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2025-01-13T12:43:30.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
要問臺北市議會。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:30.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2025-01-13T12:43:34.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
畢竟臺北市政府也有列席行政院的院會。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:37.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2025-01-13T12:43:42.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
現在提出這樣的地制法修法，是不是因為它的人口數在下降當中？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.704 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:42.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2025-01-13T12:43:49.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
如果不修法，是不是最近任命的第3位副市長或3位副市長當中，就會有1位必須要去職？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:51.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2025-01-13T12:43:53.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
大概是在下一屆才適用。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2025-01-13T12:43:53.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2025-01-13T12:44:01.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
如果下一屆才適用，假如現在3位中有人跑去選舉了，空了1位，在下一屆適用前可以補嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2025-01-13T12:44:01.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2025-01-13T12:44:04.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
沒有修法的狀況之下，大概就不能夠補。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2025-01-13T12:44:04.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2025-01-13T12:44:07.832000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
沒有修法的狀況就是不能補了，所以大家聽清楚了。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2025-01-13T12:44:08.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2025-01-13T12:44:31.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
目前我們在這邊忙，召委很辛苦排了這麼多案，結果聽來聽去就是臺北市在113年9月之前，他都沒關係，從2個副市長趕快提升有第3個副市長，然後要趕快推動修法，萬一3位副市長當中，有人去選舉，如果沒有選上，又沒有修法，他就回不來了。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2025-01-13T12:44:32.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2025-01-13T12:44:53.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
我們希望今天地制法的修法應該是可長可遠、可長可久，不要是因人設事，也希望主席能夠……像涉及到六都以外，像剛剛提到的那種鄉鎮市民代表會，突然之間跑出這樣的提案，我們希望要慎重，是不是能夠到地方上多聽聽鄉鎮市的意見，讓這些代表們來表達心聲？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2025-01-13T12:44:53.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2025-01-13T12:44:58.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
尤其是農業縣鄉鎮多、人口少，這個茲事體大，希望能夠召開公聽會。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2025-01-13T12:44:59.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2025-01-13T12:45:00.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
謝謝主席，也謝謝部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2025-01-13T12:45:00.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2025-01-13T12:45:06.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
接下來請沈發惠委員、沈發惠委員，沈發惠委員不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2025-01-13T12:45:07.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2025-01-13T12:45:08.884286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
請盧縣一委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |