| IVOD_ID |
158811 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158811 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-2-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期第3次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第3次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-10T11:55:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-10T12:00:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8352309f1a657e643208c61fd14cee32c87b31a464016ad578a69d0fc08471650a24d4c92cf601975ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:55:12 - 12:00:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-10T11:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第3次全院委員會會議（事由：審查「憲法訴訟法」修正第四條、第三十條及第九十五條條文覆議案。） |
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主席 在場的委員先進很遺憾的今天各位坐在這裡大家知道我們整個上午的議程從光復的復的復議處理到現在翻復的復的復議大家知道在處理什麼程序嗎我先就三個部分來講第一個 讓現場的媒體了解我們今天上午的報告事項才通過了行政院喊請要復議的案子 |
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也通過了總統府秘書長函請總統府要移請立法院來附議的案子附議什麼附議憲法訴訟法本院在之前通過的三讀法案列入了報告事項之後照說院長就要請院會來決定既然行政院代表憲法機關提出了這樣的附議案到底哪裡自愛難行根據憲法正規條文哪裡自愛難行 |
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但是接下來我們的處理方式是直接用國民黨的多數將這樣的一個報告事項認為是一個形同的同意的決議把它翻案說要重新來討論討論的就是說不是說不接受這個復議案而是什麼把復議案相關的報告的期程給定案了包括現在本席在這邊依政黨比例331的討論內容 |
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好 就算是這樣決定我也沒意見但是剛剛的決定居然把行政院長來說明為什麼行政院要移請復育這個地方省略到了所以到目前為止我剛剛聽了國民黨兩位委員的發言你們知道行政院為什麼要復育嗎是哪裡自愛難行嗎連我們復育的標的都不清楚 理由都不了解你要怎麼來做判斷 |
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好這是第一個連為什麼行政院認為哪裡自然難行都不清楚我們要討論什麼 |
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其次 第二個 我也很開心的聽到了民眾黨黃珊珊委員的發言因為之前在討論憲法訴訟法的二三度過程當中的大體討論 初條討論我不曾看到這些相關的提案者起來為他的條文內容做說明反而是我們不能指摘這些條文內容有多麼荒謬接下來 我就這些荒謬的理由為什麼要提醒富裕 為什麼是自愛難行 我告訴大家 |
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有沒有違憲 留給大法官解釋但是是我自愛難行 我們來看一看本來社會各界以我們在委員討論的是第四條第四條對於憲法法庭審理規則由司法院定之第一項第二項前項規則由全體大法官一決之第二項第三項翁小婷委員的提案她要求把現有名額全部改為法定原額 |
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從來沒有這樣做過整個邏輯都是矛盾的現有的原額就是法定總額沒有法律上的規定因此最後的再修正動議放棄了第四條這樣的修改訂出總統必須在現期內重啟大法官但是透過了第30條的規定將黃珊珊委員剛剛講的那些的額數問題通通放進30條判決跟裁定 |
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但是不要忘了 憲法訴訟法當中 關於判決跟裁定的還有43條為暫時處分的裁定75條 宣告彈劾成立的裁定還有第80條 宣告政黨解散的這樣的一個決定這些散見在我們憲法訴訟法中 各個條文的規定裡面明白的規定了 評定的額數 |
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結果修正動域很倉促的為了滿足來不及修這三條直接寫在我們三十條通過的第四項 |
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直接說適用之這下大家頭大了原來這43條75條80條都有對額數規定現在你用30條的第二項第三項涵蓋著把這些條文的規定重新覆蓋上去能夠這樣做嗎原來的條文有規定你又用30條去涵塞後面把它修改這樣規定這就是自愛男性的理由啊 |
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本席我們對目前剛剛黃珊珊所持的額數問題覺得可以討論有沒有違憲交給大法官去審判但是對於我們通過的粗糙的條文本來試圖用第四條一條 包含條款 涵蓋全部現在用三十條的第四項 含設了三個條文不同的額數規定 |
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請問一下若真的大法官拿到這本《憲法訴訟法》他要適用的時候怎麼適用啊這就是自愛難行的理由啊各位媒體的先進各位社會的廣大社會大眾或許有法學專業者對這樣的意見有不同的看法沒有關係這就是我們認為自愛難行的理由為什麼不請行政院長來說明荒謬啊立法院連這一搞什麼鬼 |
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主席、在場的委員先進。 |
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很遺憾地今天各位坐在這裡，大家知道我們整個上午的議程，從「復議」處理到現在的「覆議」，大家知道在處理什麼程序嗎？ |
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我先就三個部分來講，讓現場的媒體瞭解。 |
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第一個，今天上午的報告事項才通過了行政院函請要覆議的案子，也通過了總統府秘書長函請總統府要移請立法院覆議的案子。 |
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覆議什麼？ |
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覆議憲法訴訟法，亦即本院之前通過的三讀法案。 |
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列入報告事項之後，照說院長就要請院會決定，既然行政院代表憲法機關提出了這樣的覆議案，到底哪裡窒礙難行？ |
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根據憲法增修條文，哪裡窒礙難行？ |
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但是接下來，我們的處理方式是直接用國民黨的多數，將這樣的報告事項認為是形同同意的決議，把它翻案，說要重新討論。 |
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討論的結果不是不接受這個覆議案，而是把覆議案相關的報告期程給定案了，包括現在本席在這邊依政黨比例3：3：1的討論內容。 |
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好，就算是這樣決定，我也沒意見，但是剛剛的決定居然把行政院長來說明、為什麼行政院要移請覆議的這個地方省略掉了，所以到目前為止，我剛剛聽了國民黨兩位委員的發言，你們知道行政院為什麼要覆議嗎？ |
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是哪裡窒礙難行嗎？ |
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連我們覆議的標的都不清楚，理由都不瞭解，你要怎麼判斷？ |
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這是第一個，連行政院認為哪裡窒礙難行都不清楚，我們要討論什麼？ |
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其次，我也很開心地聽到了民眾黨黃珊珊委員的發言，因為之前在討論憲法訴訟法二、三讀的過程當中，大體討論、逐條討論，我不曾看到這些相關提案者起來為他的條文內容作說明，反而是我們不斷地指摘這些條文內容有多麼荒謬。 |
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接下來，我就這些荒謬的理由，為什麼要提請覆議、為什麼是窒礙難行都告訴大家，有沒有違憲就留給大法官解釋。 |
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對於是否窒礙難行，我們來看一看，本來社會各界以為我們在委員會討論的是第四條，第四條第一項「憲法法庭審理規則，由司法院定之」；第二項「前項規則，由全體大法官議決之」；第三項是翁曉玲委員的提案，他要求把現有名額全部改為法定員額。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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從來沒有這樣做過，整個邏輯都是矛盾的，現有的員額就是法定總額，沒有法律上的規定，因此最後的再修正動議放棄了第四條這樣的修改，定出總統必須限期內重新提名法官。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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透過第三十一條的規定，將黃珊珊委員剛剛講到的那些額數問題統統放進第三十條的判決跟裁定，但是不要忘了，在憲法訴訟法當中，關於判決跟裁定的條文還有第四十三條為暫時處分的裁定、第七十五條宣告彈劾成立的裁定，還有第八十條宣告政黨解散的決定。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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這些散見在憲法訴訟法中各個條文的規定，裡面明白地規定了評定的額數，結果修正動議很倉促地為了滿足來不及修這三條，直接寫在第三十條通過的第四項，直接說「適用之」。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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這下大家頭大了，原來第四十三條、第七十五條、第八十條都對額數有規定，現在卻用第三十條的第二項、第三項涵蓋地把這些條文的規定重新覆蓋上去。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2025-01-10T11:59:27.539000+08:00 |
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2025-01-10T11:59:29.521000+08:00 |
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能夠這樣做嗎？ |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2025-01-10T11:59:29.521000+08:00 |
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原來的條文有規定，你又用第三十條去涵攝後面，修改了它的規定，這就是窒礙難行的理由。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2025-01-10T11:59:37.834000+08:00 |
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2025-01-10T11:59:57.269000+08:00 |
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本席對於剛剛黃珊珊委員所持的額數問題，覺得可以討論，有沒有違憲就交給大法官去審判，但是對於我們通過的粗糙條文，本來試圖要用第四條一條霸王條款涵蓋全部，現在用第三十條的第四項涵攝了3個條文對不同額數的規定。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2025-01-10T11:59:59.030000+08:00 |
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請問一下，若大法官拿到這本憲法訴訟法真的要適用的時候怎麼適用啊？ |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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這就是窒礙難行的理由啊！ |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2025-01-10T12:00:09.594000+08:00 |
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各位媒體的先進、廣大的社會大眾，或許有法學專業者對這樣的意見有不同的看法，沒有關係，這就是我們認為窒礙難行的理由，為什麼不請行政院長來說明？ |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2025-01-10T12:00:21.959000+08:00 |
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荒謬啊！ |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2025-01-10T12:00:23.339000+08:00 |
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立法院連自己搞什麼鬼都搞不懂，荒謬啊！ |
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主席 |
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2025-01-10T12:00:25.160000+08:00 |
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謝謝鍾佳濱委員的發言。 |
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主席 |
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接下來請翁曉玲委員發言，吳思瑤委員請準備。 |
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