IVOD_ID |
157020 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157020 |
日期 |
2024-11-18 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
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會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
2 |
會議資料.會次 |
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會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
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交通委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2024-11-18T11:08:24+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2024-11-18T11:20:13+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:11:49 |
支援功能[0] |
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委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
委員發言時間 |
11:08:24 - 11:20:13 |
會議時間 |
2024-11-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部公路局局長、法務部及內政部警政署就「偽變造車牌或其它隱匿車牌方式之查緝與防制暨如何有效杜絕無照駕駛猖獗之亂象」進行專題報告,並備質詢。
二、審查(一)委員洪孟楷等24人、(二)委員黃健豪等17人、(三)委員林俊憲等17人、(四)委員王鴻薇等18人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員鍾佳濱等19人、(六)委員許宇甄等17人、(七)委員陳素月等20人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十二條之一條文修正草案」案、(八)委員林德福等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十三條條文修正草案」案、(九)委員徐富癸等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十五條條文修正草案」案及(十)委員林思銘等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案」案。【第(十)案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書,則不予審查】
三、審查(一)委員傅崐萁等20人、(二)委員陳雪生等29人分別擬具「發展觀光條例第二條及第七十條之二條文修正草案」案、(三)委員許宇甄等20人擬具「發展觀光條例第四條、第五十三條及第七十條之二條文修正草案」案、(四)委員林倩綺等21人擬具「發展觀光條例第三十六條及第六十條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員王美惠等16人擬具「發展觀光條例部分條文修正草案」案、(六)委員伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe等20人擬具「發展觀光條例第五十五條、第五十五條之一及第五十五條之三條文修正草案」案及(七)委員游顥等38人擬具「發展觀光條例第七十條之二條文修正草案」案。【11月18日、20日二天一次會】) |
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好,謝謝主席。本席邀請我們交通部的陳部長。好,陳部長。部長。你好。你好。部長,你新上任。是。所以,我覺得民生第一。我都跟你討論一些關於我們交通上影響最多民眾的。 |
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我今天要跟你講的是前幾天發生了一個不幸車禍台中的公車撞死了東海大學的一位女學生那司機說啊因為天色太暗他只看到兩個黑影然後就撞到了另外啦在很多次的車禍發生的時候駕駛啊經常在他口述啦他口供裡面他都會講啊是行人突然間竄出來 |
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台灣被稱為行人地獄我們來看看那什麼樣的狀況下是行人最危險的時候我說的是一天的時段夜間真的最危險數字會我提供給部長當參考這最近五年多來 |
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行人因交通事故而死亡最多的都是在晚上6點到清晨6點就是下半天黑夜的時候行人最危險黑夜的時候為什麼最危險有可能是開車人不守規矩但是只要我這裡統計的是A1的交通事故 |
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你看喔,白天跟黑夜,其實照理講啊,白天車輛是最多嘛,因為大家上下班嘛。那為什麼到晚上的時候啊,反而行人致死啊,是白天啊,至少50%到一倍、兩倍啊,差別非常大。所以台灣的夜晚啊,是行人地獄裡面啊,最恐怖的時候啊。來我們來看一下。你看,這黑夜白天差多少啊?那現在這樣。 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
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你在國外只要是有行人穿越巴馬線的部分它的照明一定是特別加強政府為了解決所謂行人地域花了多少錢花了幾百億去改善所謂的危險道路危險路口光線這種光線那當然危險你要知道我們法律上 |
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行人的光線、行人行道的光線是有規定的不然我給你一個參考交通規則規範這是我們交通部自己訂的行人穿越道照明標準有在寫沒在做我們照講行人穿越道的光線你是要達到一定的亮度結果都沒有了你看一看你是不是應該做一個總檢討否則啦 |
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回到上一頁你注意看這個顯不合理的分配每一年那麼多新人死亡他的時間都集中在反而車輛比較少的晚上然後肇事者經常最常講的就是說他看不清楚了人突然間竄出來了包括前幾天發生的台中公車撞死大學生也是這樣子有一件車禍也很出名 |
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其實我們的賴思寶委員他不是撞到人那媒體不知道怎麼樣把他的行車紀錄器拖出來坦白講那看起來真的是很黑暗賴委員他也這麼講賴思寶委員也這麼講他說那個光線不是很清楚他沒有看得很清楚所以我現在請交通部你既然有訂這樣的一個規範交通工程規範行人穿越到照明標準那你就要照做 |
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那我再給你 再給部長一個參考你在國外除了光線以外你車輛要到那個人行道你要讓它減速台灣完全沒有這樣一個設計你怎麼讓它減速呢最容易做的就是用物理性的東西就所謂的緩速道 緩速台來讓車輛減低速度我再給你看一下一個是韓國的 |
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這個是新加坡的韓國的車輛你要來到人行道它一定會經過一個緩速台就是會讓你的車輛不得不減速然後我們台灣要過斑馬線因為我都從高雷站我都是習慣走路到立法院來我每次要走斑馬線我一定要從人行道跳下來 |
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因為人行道比較高嘛斑馬線比較低嘛是不是如果嬰兒推車你要推推或是你拿貨物要過斑馬線你要先從人行道跳下來才能走斑馬線你看國外都不會有這個問題新加坡、日本他們都把人行道稍微做高啦做高喔因為它旁邊要做緩速台那人行道做高第一個 |
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也斑馬線做高,你從連行道走下來,不必有跳下來的感覺啦,比較安全以外。你人你走也走比較遠啦,因為它有一個,它等於有一點高度嘛,所以駕駛也比較容易看到那裡有行人。但是我們這邊沒有啦,台灣只會教育行人。你出門要穿亮色衣服,這什麼,這多愚蠢的建議啊。 |
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委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 |
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兩邊要做緩速台,讓車輛經過它的時候,強迫它一定要減速。受理工委,你看你的行人死在人行穿越道,案件有減少嗎?都沒有嗎? |
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我希望你這個部分你們要趕快去改善你再說的那個光線的部分我們現在的道路改善的部分有把這個部分都拉進來那還有很多的路段前幾天才剛出現一個死亡車禍這個我清楚所以那個部分已經有做檢討您剛剛在講的東海女學生來我現在沒什麼時間我延續一下剛剛那個黃健豪委員所問您的問題那為什麼現在啊假車牌那麼多你們自己要統計啊 |
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檢察局有統計使用腳車牌原因是什麼腳車牌什麼時候開始增多其實是去年就增多了來看這個表2022年一年我現在用的是嚴重超速的件數因為這時間點非常配合嚴重超速我們原本是超速60公里吊扣車牌2023年去年把它改成超速40就吊扣車牌 |
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所以這個案件吊擺的數字多了四倍從一年一萬五千五百五十件變成六萬件我們修改法律的目的在幹嘛是希望能夠嚇阻啦希望能夠減少犯罪行為這是我們修法的目的啦你修了一個法結果那麼多人違規 |
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你如果多一點點就算了你多了四倍那表示啊你這個法律啊會讓很多人可能是不小心就違法政府要超出多少拔掉人造車牌啊你應該先檢討啊你的訴訟有合理嗎公共電視台做了一個這樣的專輯節目跑去台灣找他說你的訴訟有合理嗎 |
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他抓到了就成長6倍這個是有抓到假車牌有抓到就成長6倍那有關係嗎?警察局我們的警政署有分析使用偽造車牌的樣態為什麼?什麼原因你們要使用偽造車牌?38%是因為他車牌被調控有將近4成我的車牌用烤的所以逼他要去用假車牌 |
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那這些被調貨車的車輛沒有車牌車子就不能開嘛那很可能是家庭用車啦我要載孩子啦我要載大人啦我要上班啦對不對那有的是營業車輛那不能做生意啊那怎麼辦剛好你剛有提到了假車牌現在很容易買啦就這樣弄起來像火一樣燒起來了 |
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所以你現在抓到假車牌你就直接把車輛給沒路我認為使用假車牌還是有其他樣態啦如果拿來犯案犯罪那個車輛當然直接沒路啦那假車牌他做什麼事情那吊牌主要原因是超速那政府有沒有去檢討我們各地速限的合理性 |
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等等那我認為法律上還是要做一個比較現有的法律什麼樣的狀態下你的車牌、你的車輛會被沒路其實都是非常嚴重的啦你有重傷啦你弄海溪人啦弄溪人、擋凶車輛才有沒路我現在列出來給你看部長只有這些狀況下車輛才會沒路你現在使用腳車牌車子要直接沒路 |
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那我們的法律規範上就只要用假車牌就直接摸入嗎還是有沒有再細分一下我們未來新的修法的方向目前是只要使用假車牌車子就會被摸入這我有時間的問題啦 抱歉我們主席已經站起來了那這個部分我們在後續再來做一些討論好不好謝謝部長 謝謝局長 謝謝主席 |
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林委員俊憲:(11時8分)謝謝主席,本席邀請交通部陳部長。 |
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主席:陳部長。 |
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林委員俊憲:部長你好。 |
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陳部長世凱:委員好。 |
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林委員俊憲:部長你新上任,所以我覺得民生第一,我都跟你討論一些關於交通上影響最多民眾的,我現在跟你講的是,前幾天發生了一個不幸車禍,臺中的公車撞死了東海大學的一位女學生,司機說因為天色太暗,他只看到兩個黑影,然後就撞到。另外,在很多次車禍發生的時候,駕駛經常在他的口供裡面講:是行人突然間竄出來的。 |
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臺灣被稱為行人地獄,我們來看看什麼樣的狀況下是行人最危險的時候,我說的是一天的時段,夜間真的最危險,相關數字我提供給部長當參考,最近五年多來,行人因交通事故而死亡,最多都是在晚上6點到清晨6點,就是下半天、黑夜的時候行人最危險,黑夜的時候為什麼最危險?有可能是開車的人不守規矩,但是我這裡統計的是A1類的交通事故,你看白天跟黑夜的部分,其實照理講白天車輛最多,因為大家要上下班,但為什麼晚上的時候,反而行人致死至少是白天的50%到一倍、兩倍,差別非常大,所以臺灣的夜晚是行人地獄裡面最恐怖的時候。我們來看一下,你看這黑夜、白天差多少!部長這樣看得到嗎? |
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陳部長世凱:有看到。 |
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林委員俊憲:這麼暗的狀況下,過馬路會安全嗎?開車都不一定看得到斑馬線了,但另外這張是不是很亮?抱歉,這不是臺灣,而是韓國,在國外只要是有行人穿越斑馬線的部分,它的照明一定是特別加強。政府為了解決所謂行人地獄花了幾百億去改善所謂的危險道路、危險路口,像剛才那種光線當然危險,你要知道,我們法律上人行道的光線是有規定的,部長,我給你一個參考,交通工程規範,這是交通部自己訂的,裡面就有行人穿越道照明標準,但有在寫、沒在做,照理講行人穿越道的光線要達到一定的亮度,結果都沒有!請你看一看,所以你是不是應該做一個總檢討?否則就像上一頁提到的,這是顯不合理的分配,每一年有那麼多行人死亡,時間反而都集中在車輛比較少的晚上,然後肇事者最常講的就是他看不清楚,人突然間竄出來,包括前幾天發生臺中公車撞死大學生一案也是這樣子;有一件車禍也很出名,就是我們賴士葆委員撞到人,媒體不知道怎麼樣取得的,把他的行車紀錄器播出來,坦白講,看起來真的是很黑暗,賴士葆委員也這麼講,他說那個光線不是很清楚,他沒有看得很清楚。所以現在請交通部,既然有訂這樣一個規範,即交通工程規範,裡面有行人穿越道照明標準,那你就要照做。 |
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我再給部長一個參考,在國外除了光線以外,車輛經過人行道,你就要讓它減速,但臺灣完全沒有這樣一個設計,你怎麼讓它減速呢?最容易做的就是用物理性的東西,就是用所謂的緩速台來讓車輛減低速度。我再給你看一下,這一個是韓國的,另外一個是新加坡的,韓國的車輛當來到人行道,一定會經過一個緩速台,就是會讓你的車輛不得不減速,然後我們臺灣的部分,因為我都習慣從高鐵站走路到立法院來,每次要走斑馬線,我一定要從人行道跳下來,因為人行道比較高,斑馬線比較低,是不是?如果是推嬰兒推車,或者是你拿貨物要過斑馬線,你要先從人行道跳下來才能走斑馬線,你看國外都不會有這個問題,新加坡、日本他們都把人行道稍微做高,因為它旁邊要做緩速台,當斑馬線做高,你從人行道走下來,就不會有跳下來的感覺,除了比較安全以外,民眾也是走在高一點地方,因為它等於是有一點高度,所以駕駛也比較容易看到那裡有行人。但是我們這邊沒有,臺灣只會宣傳或教育行人晚上出門要穿亮色衣服,這是多愚蠢的建議,你為什麼不把人行道的光線弄亮一點?還有,過斑馬線時手要舉高在那邊搖,讓車輛可以看到你,但為什麼不把這個地方稍微墊高一點,讓一般行人從人行道下來走斑馬線時是平的,然後也有一點高度,而且兩邊你要做緩速台,讓車輛經過的時候,強迫他一定要減速,數字會說話,你看行人死在行人穿越道的案件有減少嗎?都沒有!好,我希望這個部分,你們要趕快去改善。 |
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陳部長世凱:報告委員,您所說光線的部分,我們現在道路改善的部分,有把這個部分都納進來,還有很多的路段…… |
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林委員俊憲:前幾天才剛出現一個死亡車禍。 |
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陳部長世凱:這個我清楚,所以那個部分已經有做檢討,您剛剛講的東海女學生…… |
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林委員俊憲:我現在沒什麼時間了,延續一下剛剛黃健豪委員問你們的問題,為什麼現在假車牌那麼多?你們自己也有統計,據警察局統計,使用假車牌的原因是什麼?假車牌什麼時候開始增多?其實是去年就增多了。 |
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陳部長世凱:對,去年跟今年。 |
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林委員俊憲:來看這個表,我現在談的是嚴重超速的件數,因為這個時間點非常配合,嚴重超速的部分,我們原本是超速60公里吊扣車牌,2023(去)年把它改成超速40公里就吊扣車牌,所以吊牌案件的數字多了4倍,從一年1萬5,550件變成6萬件,我們修法的目的在幹嘛?是希望能夠嚇阻,希望能夠減少犯罪行為,這是我們修法的目的,但你修了一個法,結果那麼多人違規,如果多一點點就算了,結果多了4倍,表示這個法律會讓很多人可能是不小心就違法了。再來,到底要超速多少才拔掉人家的車牌,政府應該要先檢討你規定的速限合理嗎?公共電視臺做了這樣一個專輯節目,看看臺灣各地的速限有合理嗎?像臺灣的四線道速限卻只有50,你叫人家怎麼開車呢?部長,如果你從臺北開到板橋,我看你都很難保持全線不超車,所以你規定的速限有合理嗎?也就是在不合理以後,違規案件一年從一萬五千多件變成6萬件,相對應的時間點,抓到假車牌的件數就成長了6倍,這個是有抓到的,持假車牌有抓到的就成長了6倍,那有關係嗎?我們的警政署有分析使用偽造車牌的樣態,什麼原因讓你們要使用偽造車牌?38%、將近四成是因為他的車牌被吊扣,所以逼他要去用假車牌。這些被吊扣的車輛沒有車牌,車子就不能開,但那很可能是家庭用車,可能用來載小孩、載長輩或是供上班之用,此外,有的是營業車輛,吊扣後就不能做生意,那要怎麼辦?剛剛你有提到現在假車牌很容易買到,就這樣像火一樣燒起來了,所以現在抓到假車牌的,你就要直接把車輛給沒入,我認為使用假車牌還是有其他樣態,如果拿來犯罪,那個車輛當然直接沒入,但現在吊牌的主要原因是超速,政府有沒有去檢討我們各地速限的合理性等等,我認為法律上還是要做一個比較,現有的法律在什麼樣的樣態下你的車輛會被沒入,其實都是非常嚴重的狀況,害死人或是把人弄成重傷,車輛才會被沒入,我現在列出來給你看,部長,只有這些狀況下,車輛才會沒入,你現在使用假車牌,車子要直接沒入,而我們的法律規範上,只要用假車牌就直接沒入嗎?有沒有再細分一下? |
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陳部長世凱:未來新的修法方向,目前是只要使用假車牌,車子就會被沒入。 |
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林委員俊憲:好,因為時間的闗係,不好意思,我們主席已經站起來了,這個部分我們後續再來做一些討論,謝謝部長,謝謝局長,謝謝主席。 |
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陳部長世凱:好,謝謝委員。 |
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主席(黃委員健豪代):謝謝林俊憲委員的質詢。 |
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接下來請魯明哲委員。 |
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魯明哲 |
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林德福 |
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洪孟楷 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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黃健豪 |
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游顥 |
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許宇甄 |
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林倩綺 |
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林國成 |
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林沛祥 |
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李昆澤 |
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徐富癸 |
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陳素月 |
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林俊憲 |
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蔡其昌 |
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何欣純 |
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陳雪生 |
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許智傑 |
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邱若華 |
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賴士葆 |
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羅智強 |
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賴惠員 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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吳春城 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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李坤城 |
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林月琴 |
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陳培瑜 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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陳冠廷 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部公路局局長、法務部及內政部警政署就「偽變造車牌或其它
隱匿車牌方式之查緝與防制暨如何有效杜絕無照駕駛猖獗之亂象」進行專題報告,並備質詢;
二、審查(一)委員洪孟楷等24人、(二)委員黃健豪等17人、(三)委員林俊憲等17人、(四)委員王
鴻薇等18人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員鍾佳濱等19
人、(六)委員許宇甄等17人、(七)委員陳素月等20人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條
及第十二條之一條文修正草案」案、(八)委員林德福等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二
條及第十三條條文修正草案」案、(九)委員徐富癸等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條
及第十五條條文修正草案」案;三、審查(一)委員傅崐萁等20人、(二)委員陳雪生等29人分別擬
具「發展觀光條例第二條及第七十條之二條文修正草案」案、(三)委員許宇甄等20人擬具「發展
觀光條例第四條、第五十三條及第七十條之二條文修正草案」案、(四)委員林倩綺等21人擬具
「發展觀光條例第三十六條及第六十條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員王美惠等16人擬具「發展觀
光條例部分條文修正草案」案、(六)委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等20人擬具「發展觀光條
例第五十五條、第五十五條之一及第五十五條之三條文修正草案」案及(七)委員游顥等38人擬具
「發展觀光條例第七十條之二條文修正草案」案 |
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11310302_00002 |