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| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:23:19 - 11:32:42 |
| 影片長度 |
563 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、行政院主計總處首長、勞動部首長、教育部首長、財政部首長就「我國青年低薪成因檢討及因應對策，暨如何促進企業提升青年及基層員工薪資水準」進行報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員就「我國傳統產業及中小企業發展困境探討、因應對策及相關振興方案」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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下一位質詢請鄭天才委員主席、各位委員、有請國發會主委、這個勞動部、還有教育部青年發展署 |
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教育部青發署陳署長。主委好。委員早。國發會有人力發展處。我先引用教育部的青年發展署的組織法。這個長禮的四項,青年發展政策、青年生涯發展規劃、青年職場體驗,很多。 |
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這個如果你們在一部青年發展署或是國發會你們去看這個青年發展署他們的預算的編列或是他們實際的每一年辦的事情運作就會發現跟我們今天的主題跟我們今天的主題是比較欠缺我是從這樣 |
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當然這個青年發展組成立很久了,102年6月19號這個組織法就通過就開始成立了。我們看教育部的報告裡面,他提到是勞動部整合了這個相關的部會,包括國發會、經濟部。 |
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登對這個而且一直到108年去年發展署102年就成立了102年一到108年當然還是要謝謝勞動部這個就是行政院整合了這些相關的部會投資青年就業方案108開始然後這個1、2又是第二期第二期 |
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在這樣的一個情形之下,我們看我們整個失業率,失業率都是在百分之四點多一直往下降,現在三點多了,現在三點多,三點四,對不對,三點四 |
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但是我們的青年失業率百分之八這是一百一十二年青年的失業率百分之八這個相關的理由當然我們看薪資也是一樣都很低薪資都很低這個 |
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教育部的說明青年低薪成因青年因出入職場工作經驗、年資、技能不足或未充分就業所以這個部分因為教育部青年署就在教育部那你怎麼樣去把這些原因然後去跟高教師高教師 |
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來去協調怎麼樣去協調產業包括各大學這個部分都是要去連貫、去落實、去推動我今天沒有引用這個國發會的資料最主要就是說國發會基於一個統合的一個 |
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委員會怎麼去協調相關的勞動部、教育部相關的機關當然很多機關當然包括經濟部怎麼樣去推動青年所以這個低薪的成因知道了怎麼去 |
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加強這些相關的無論是科系、大學或是跟產業去一個一個去結合去推動都是需要這個去加強的部分這個主委你認為呢 |
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委員提的是對的那我們其實除了這個以外我們也在嘗試協助青年轉型就是說文科的可能他如果希望改變我們其實現在也請也由教育部在推動STAND的方案另外我們也那天我們之前也跟勞動部長討論了就希望協助一些青年到了職場上可以做還是可以有機會斜槓跟轉型 |
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另外還有一個區域的問題在成鄉的差距我們也嘗試要縮減所以我們現在透過產業園區的規劃也正在希望平衡成鄉第二個是加速交通的建設讓青年可以比較能夠到移動的比較方便可以找到比較好的就業機會這幾個角度我們其實都在試著去改變它 |
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328.777 |
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348.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
另外我們也試著去要求在未來在IPO就是要申請上市的企業他必須要有一定的平均薪資做標準等等我們都在改善那包括我們現在連本會我們都改了我們直接就要比最低工資高像我們已經調到3萬1200塊了我們都有在積極的去做改變第一個當然要先解決失業率 |
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355.788 |
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358.929 |
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進行報告：一、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員及基層員工薪資水準。 |
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382.1 |
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406.938 |
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這個低薪的成因知道了怎麼樣去剛我已經講了我就不再重複了勞動部的報告提升最低工資就是基本工資了已經連續9年調薪連續9年調薪調幅近百分之月薪總額總調幅近百分之42.9這樣的一個 |
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411.555 |
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439.755 |
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調薪基本工資調薪每一次基本工資調薪我就會想到底企業會配合基本工資調薪除了最低薪的那個職員或是員工之外其他的已經高於基本工資的他是不是會跟著調我們現在沒有機制有機制嗎 |
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440.919 |
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447.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
有無只能欠?只能呼籲?目前好像就只有呼籲在勞動部 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
450.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
477.199 |
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現在只有呼籲希望能夠配合調心勞工的部分因為基本上來講我們現在的基本工資調整來講第一個我們先看整個消費物價指數然後去做一個整理性的考量之後那大概現在可以看得到就是我們的基本工大致照顧到邊際勞工但是我們也希望企業能夠分任給員工所以基本上我們現在開始也跟經管要合作然後包含到以後將來他的 |
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477.999 |
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499.957 |
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非主管職的全職員工的薪資變動比然後那男女工資的差別的距離的部分我們都希望能夠在我們的公司治理報告書上面能夠呈現出來那也能夠讓大家看得到我想這是我們在做的問題所以主委包括我們今天沒有請他上來的經濟部或是勞動部 |
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504.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
524.728 |
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教育部、勞動部當然最重要怎麼樣在相關的法律有沒有可能就像軍公教對不對條薪的時候不是只有最基層的不是最低薪的條全部都條 |
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526.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
535.739 |
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從最低薪的職員、二職等、書記一直到最高的所以這個部分是要去推動甚至可能要立法 |
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536.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
537.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
謝謝政經事務委員掌握時間精準看為楷模 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時23分）主席、各位委員。有請國發會主委。 |
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主席：國發會劉主委。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：勞動部。 |
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主席：勞動部王司長。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：還有教育部青年發展署。 |
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主席：教育部青發署陳署長。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：主委好。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：委員早。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：國發會有人力發展處，我先引用教育部青年發展署的組織法，掌理的事項：青年發展政策、青年生涯發展之規劃、青年職場體驗，很多。如果你們教育部青年發展署或是國發會去看青年發展署他們預算的編列，或是他們實際每一年辦的事情、運作，就會發現跟我們今天的主題是比較欠缺，我是從這樣來看。當然，青年發展署成立很久了，102年6月19號組織法通過就開始成立了。我們看教育部的報告裡面提到是勞動部整合了相關的部會，包括國發會、經濟部，而且一直到108年……青年發展署102年就成立了，當然還是要謝謝勞動部、就是行政院整合了這些相關的部會。投資青年就業方案自108年開始，然後112年是第二期。在這樣的情形之下，我們看整個失業率都是在百分之四點多，一直往下降，現在百分之三點多了。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：3.4%。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：3.4%，對不對？但是我們的青年失業率8%，112年青年的失業率8%，當然，我們看到薪資也是一樣，都很低。教育部的說明是，青年低薪成因：青年初入職場工作經驗、年資、技能不足或未充分就業，所以這個部分，因為青年署就在教育部，你怎麼樣去把這些原因跟高教司協調？怎麼樣去協調產業、包括各大學？這個部分都是要去連貫、去落實、去推動。我今天沒有引用國發會的資料，最主要就是國發會基於一個統合的委員會，怎麼樣去協調勞動部、教育部等等很多相關的機關、當然也包括經濟部，怎麼樣去推動青年的部分。所以低薪的成因知道了，怎麼去加強這些相關的無論是科系、大學，或是跟產業結合去推動，都是需要加強的部分，主委，你認為呢？ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：委員提的是對的，其實除了這個以外，我們也在嘗試協助青年轉型，就是文科的如果希望改變，我們現在也由教育部在推動STEM的方案。其次，我們之前也跟勞動部長討論了，希望協助青年到了職場上還是可以有機會斜槓跟轉型。此外還有區域的問題，在城鄉的差距上，我們也嘗試要縮減，所以我們現在透過產業園區的規劃，正在平衡城鄉差距；第二個是加速交通的建設，讓青年能夠移動得比較方便，可以找到比較好的就業機會，這幾個角度我們其實都在試著去改變。另外，我們也試著要求未來IPO──就是要申請上市的企業，必須要有一定的平均薪資做標準等等，我們都在改善。包括現在連本會都改了，我們直接就要比最低工資高，像我們已經調到3萬1,200塊了…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：等一下我們再討論薪資的部分。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：我們都有積極在改變。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：第一個當然要先解決失業率，因為青年人的失業率，除非他不想工作，我們不認為如此，他一定是想要工作，竟然失業率高達8%，比百分之三點多高出百分之四點多、將近5%，所以這個部分是首先要去解決的。然後低薪的成因知道了，怎麼樣去……剛剛我已經講了，就不再重複了。 |
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勞動部的報告顯示，提升最低工資，就是基本工資，已經連續9年調升，調幅近10%，月薪總調幅近42.9%，這樣的基本工資調薪，每一次基本工資調薪，我就會想，到底企業會配合基本工資調薪，除了最低薪的職員或是員工之外，其他已經高於基本工資的是不是會跟著調，我們現在沒有機制，有機制嗎？只能勸，只能呼籲，目前好像就只有呼籲。勞動部，現在只有呼籲，希望能夠配合調薪勞工的部分。 |
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王司長厚誠：謝謝委員的垂詢。基本上我們現在基本工資的調整來講，第一個，我們先看整個消費物價指數去做整體性的考量之後，大概現在可以看得到我們的基本工資是照顧到邊際勞工，但是我們也希望企業能夠分潤給員工。所以基本上我們現在開始也跟金管會合作，包含將來非主管職全時員工的薪資變動比、男女工資差別的距離部分，我們都希望在公司治理報告書上面能夠呈現出來，讓大家看得到，我想這是我們在做的。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以主委，包括今天沒有請他上來的經濟部或是勞動部、教育部，勞動部當然最重要，怎麼樣在相關的法律有沒有可能……就像軍公教調薪的時候不是只有最基層的，不是最低薪的調，而是全部都調，從最低薪的職員、二職等、書記，一直到最高的…… |
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劉主任委員鏡清：沒錯，我們這次調薪…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以這個部分要去推動，甚至可能要立法，好不好？主席已經站起來了…… |
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劉主任委員鏡清：在我報告的部分是有立法了…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不是。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：正要立法，正要立法。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對、對、對、對。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：包括對於上市櫃公司或者是申請上市的公司，我們都有規範…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：基本工資調薪的、其他的應該要…… |
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劉主任委員鏡清：包括政府採購，我們現在採購也會要求主動調高薪資。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝，加油！ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員精準掌握時間，堪為楷模。官員請回座。 |
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下一位質詢請蔡易餘委員。 |
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蔡委員，不好意思。今天上午質詢到12點截止，下午兩點半我們再繼續開會。 |
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68 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-19-10 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
邱志偉 |
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陳亭妃 |
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林岱樺 |
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呂玉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
謝衣鳯 |
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邱議瑩 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
葉元之 |
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許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
王鴻薇 |
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1 |
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2024-11-06 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1139401 |
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1139401_00002 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、行政院主計總處首長、勞動部首長、教育部首
長、財政部首長就「我國青年低薪成因檢討及因應對策，暨如何促進企業提升青年及基層員工薪
資水準」進行報告，並備質詢；二、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員就「我國傳統產
業及中小企業發展困境探討、因應對策及相關振興方案」進行報告，並備質詢 |
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1139401_00001 |
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2024-11-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-10 |
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11 |
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2 |
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委員會 |
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19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
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2024-11-06T11:23:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-06T11:32:42+08:00 |
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