| IVOD_ID |
156113 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156113 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-24T11:32:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-24T11:42:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/402373dbe145685bb8f3f75f586acea4acf2ea2eceb6ef26ce0a1e5c1d8db79606b5fab5b46a0e585ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:32:12 - 11:42:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長報告「國軍無人機運用現況與未來發展機會及挑戰，並就協助中科院推動民雄航太曁無人機產業園區的開發作業進度及概況」，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席一期各位先進有請國防部的顧部長顧部長如果問到相關的問題其他長官可以來幫忙喔部長委員好辛苦了齁這個今天講無人機阿請問你知不知道無人機有兩種一個叫有線一個無線你知道嗎 |
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有限無限有限無限有限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限無限 |
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最近不到10公里所以干擾槍啊不好啊 干擾槍是打無限的 對吧 |
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報告委員沒有錯在二屋戰場上面的確也發現到俄羅斯使用了這個有限的無人機但是基本上 |
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在運用上面有限無限它還是有它的一些優缺點比如說有限的那它的這個限控它基本上可能它的滯空時間可以長達數小時那但是相對的它的有限的高度和距離對它也產生一個限制那無限的部分基本上我們對它來說沒有錯干擾可能就是所謂的硬殺 |
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回答一下 |
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我們現在已經完成了相關的應處程序也規劃建制反制系統 |
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陸軍報告,飛靶目前在我們的訓練項目沒有啦,我查過都沒有咧,奇怪咧,如果它飛過來是有限的你怎麼樣,你不能用干擾槍,干擾槍是無限的你只要用射靶,用槍來打,結果沒有訓練,還是要怎樣?中共的無人機來,就坐在那裡,大家看這樣,眼睛看這樣就好了 |
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暫時跟暫時的考慮還是有所區別平時我們要考慮它設計和相關背景的安全因素可是那這個時候當然限制會比較多可是我在暫時的話它是一個對我有敵意進行的無人機我們的各項的防空武器和地面的火炮就可以形成火炮 |
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國防部相關的兵種沒有對非法做訓練 |
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所以對於中共的有限無人機等於是束手無策 |
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啊你可以設幾公里嗎?你告訴我可以設幾公里?啊?散彈可以設幾公里?散彈就是因為它的距離有限可以設幾公里?高度啊?大概100公尺左右100公尺啊它無人機飛那麼低啊?因為有限的話它的高度真的高不了大概一般可以到多少? |
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解放軍的這個飛10公里他能夠到多少高度我真的沒有超過一百啦你去看嘛一百公尺很短的一百公尺很短的所以跟委員報告齁我們操場一個操場就250啦所以跟委員報告一般都一樣看得到 現在看得到 |
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請教部長啦 這個部長可以拍板啦 |
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上個禮拜一委員會考察的時候我們就已經把那個涉及測試的影片跟參與考察的委員都播放過了那是非常有效的涉及 |
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不是啦,你說我回答,你沒有回答我問題,所以你不是部長啊部長回答是你要不要下令做我們的非法訓練啊,還沒什麼阿爸你怎麼辦呢委員的指教我會下去跟各聯產來這個研議一下,好不好有這麼困難嗎來我們來看齁,來這個,我們說我們的艦翔反輻射無人機啊,或者攻擊無人機啊好,發展度發展這樣齁 |
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美方侵賴然後呢要貼牌跟我們要設計圖貼牌啊輸出美方貼我們的麥顧立雄部長說樂見其成欸你們說個本頂的喔我們的建想這麼棒可以讓美方貼我們的牌就貼他的牌啦齁會不會到時候又賣回來給我們啊 |
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現在的合作案裡面沒有這樣子的規劃目前的合作案目前正在進行的合作案他有貼牌不是嗎還沒有到這個程度我們的顧部長說樂見其成我們的消息這樣講我們期待可以樂見其成他們貼牌我們期待可以往這個方向發展我們期待可以往這個方向樂見美國貼他的牌用我們的東西是不是 |
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我沒有特定哪一個無人機我現在只是在說我們希望達成一個國際供應鏈裡面的一環我想主要是在做產業分工這樣的一個說明不是在特別的指定哪一個項目或哪一個那個 |
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因為你那時候講這個話是針對無人機因為後來這個標題就一直在拉到這個地方去那我講話的一個重點應該是在說我們要進入這個美國為主導的這個國際供應鏈裡面的一環這樣子好 這個我替你補充了你是律師比較精準你是不是講的就是針對非紅色供應鏈我們join進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
461.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
466.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
歡迎美國拿我們的所有的軍工我們的中科院發展出來的東西歡迎美國推牌這樣講對吧我這樣講對吧可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
474.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
481.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
委員不是說歡迎他貼牌是我們希望能夠在這個國防供應鏈我們希望在這個國防供應鏈裡面扮演相當的角色角色聽不懂啦 那個東西就貼牌這樣可以嗎 就歡迎貼牌可以嗎 可以嗎 院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
492.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
502.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
我不認為是這樣的一個講法我們成為供應鏈裡面的一環然後我們有相關的強項那成為這個供應鏈裡面的一環你知道供應鏈的意思喔Value Chain啊這個Supply Chain啊這裡面就我做製造我做設計Marketing美國來做他貼牌他去賣這個不好啊這個東西有什麼不對呢從企業的經營角度來講OK啊有什麼不好呢這有什麼不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
521.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
528.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
我沒有辦法很清楚的理解您講的所謂貼牌這兩個字因為媒體在用貼牌這兩個字貼牌就是那我講具體一點我們台灣的中科院設計製造包括研發設計研發製造美國做Marketing這樣可以嗎做行銷可以嗎這樣可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
544.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
548.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
呃...可以可以嘛!阿行銷裡面的報告貼牌的阿就說貼牌是比較清醒的道理就是brand branding 品牌阿品牌掛一個他說要等於USA喔阿裡面的東西是我們的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
562.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
575.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
只是我是懷疑啦齁我不知道來來來中科院院長回答一下我們的意思應該是我們可以擔任產品的供應商原件供應商或者是我們來共同開發或者我們被授權講的等等這些都是相關的可能的機會嘛請問請問無人機最關鍵的技術是什麼來院長講這個問題內無人機最關鍵的技術對我來講的話對 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
587.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
614.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
就是他第一個他要能完全無人把人力的操縱降到最低第二個逆中和噪音降低照相那個最重要不是嗎這個是選配這個是選配這個我們可以自己做嗎我們技術是不是承受的我們今天早上有答詢過我現在只要把某一個技術等到那個機器到了我們克服以後的確我們是有這個機會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
615.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
618.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
好啦這個這樣走走不中電我替你吹噓還不敢講中科院做設計研發製造然後美國貼牌還要多讚你還不跟我說奇怪好啦謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2024-10-24T11:32:12.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2024-10-24T11:32:15.832000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席及各位先進，有請國防部顧部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2024-10-24T11:32:15.832000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2024-10-24T11:32:18.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請顧部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2024-10-24T11:32:18.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2024-10-24T11:32:21.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
如果問到相關的問題，其它長官可以來幫忙。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2024-10-24T11:32:21.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2024-10-24T11:32:23.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
賴委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2024-10-24T11:32:23.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2024-10-24T11:32:24.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
部長你好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2024-10-24T11:32:25.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2024-10-24T11:32:25.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
辛苦了！ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2024-10-24T11:32:27.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2024-10-24T11:32:36.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
今天講無人機，請問你知不知道無人機有兩種，一個叫有線，一個叫無線，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2024-10-24T11:32:38.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2024-10-24T11:32:38.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
有線、無線？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2024-10-24T11:32:38.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2024-10-24T11:32:39.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
我的理解…… |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2024-10-24T11:32:39.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2024-10-24T11:32:40.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
請幫忙的上來。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2024-10-24T11:32:40.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2024-10-24T11:32:41.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
你不知道喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2024-10-24T11:32:41.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2024-10-24T11:32:42.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
報告委員，是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2024-10-24T11:32:42.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2024-10-24T11:32:43.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
是的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2024-10-24T11:32:38.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2024-10-24T11:33:04.735000+08:00 |
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有線的無人機，烏克蘭做的1公里，大陸做的10公里，金門、馬祖最近不到10公里，所以干擾槍無效。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.361 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:04.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-10-24T11:33:05.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
干擾槍是打無線的，對吧？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:05.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2024-10-24T11:33:09.710500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
你告訴我，有線的要怎麼辦呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:09.710500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2024-10-24T11:33:14.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
老共的都是有線的，不是無線的。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:14.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2024-10-24T11:33:15.046000+08:00 |
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報告委員，沒有錯，在俄烏戰場上面，的確也發現到俄羅斯使用了有線的無人機。 |
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0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:15.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2024-10-24T11:33:39.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
但是基本上在運用上面，有線、無線還是有它的一些優缺點。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:40.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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2024-10-24T11:33:52.314000+08:00 |
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譬如說，有線的它的線控基本上可能滯空時間可以長達數小時，但是相對地，它有線的高度和距離對它也產生一個限制。 |
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0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:52.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-10-24T11:33:53.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
因為我時間有限，你不用講那麼多。 |
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0.071 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:53.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-10-24T11:33:55.097000+08:00 |
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基本上，我們對它來說，沒有錯，干擾可能…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:55.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-10-24T11:33:56.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
你告訴我怎麼打？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:55.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-10-24T11:33:55.477000+08:00 |
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就是所謂的硬殺。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:55.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-10-24T11:33:56.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
硬殺就用槍打下來嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:56.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-10-24T11:33:57.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
對不對？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:57.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-10-24T11:33:58.477000+08:00 |
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最簡單來講，砰！砰！ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:58.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2024-10-24T11:33:59.477000+08:00 |
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把它打下來，這個叫有線的，因為它是有線的喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2024-10-24T11:33:59.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:00.477000+08:00 |
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就這樣打。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:00.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:01.477000+08:00 |
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但是在有線的運用上面來說，它不太可能那麼大量，因為它本身繫留的線對它就是一個限制。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:01.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:02.477000+08:00 |
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上一次跑到金門，那是有線，還是無線的？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:02.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:03.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
無線的。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:03.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:04.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
無線的？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:04.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:05.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
無線的用石頭丟啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:01.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:01.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
回答一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:01.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:28.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
無線的我們用石頭丟，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:28.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:33.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
我們現在已經完成了相關的應處程序，也規劃建置了反制系統。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:33.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:36.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
用槍打，要訓練嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:36.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:39.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
你告訴我，各兵種有沒有飛靶訓練？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:39.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:43.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
哪一位長官？你嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:43.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:43.195000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
陸軍報告，飛靶目前在我們的訓練項目沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:43.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:43.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
沒有啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:43.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:43.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
我查過了，沒有啦！奇怪！ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:43.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:48.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
如果它飛過來是有線的，你不能用干擾槍，干擾槍是無線的，你只能用射靶、用槍來打，結果我們又沒有訓練，要怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.83 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:48.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:48.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
中共的無人機要來就隨它來嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:49.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:50.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
大家看，認真看就好了，是這樣子喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:50.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-10-24T11:34:55.853250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
長官你要回答一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-10-24T11:34:55.853250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-10-24T11:35:01.349500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
報告委員，在平時跟…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-10-24T11:35:01.349500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-10-24T11:35:06.845750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
請問你是哪一位？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-10-24T11:35:06.845750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-10-24T11:35:12.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
報告，我是陸軍參謀長陳建義。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-10-24T11:35:12.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-10-24T11:35:12.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
跟委員報告，在平時跟戰時的考慮還是有所區別。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-10-24T11:35:12.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-10-24T11:35:16.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
平時我們要考慮它設計和相關背景的安全因素，這個時候當然限制會比較多；可是如果在戰時的話，它是一個對我有敵意、近襲的無人機，我們各項的防空武器和地面的火炮就可以形成火網。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2024-10-24T11:35:16.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-10-24T11:35:21.004600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
你不用講那麼多啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-10-24T11:35:21.004600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2024-10-24T11:35:25.924200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
你現在回答我，顧部長聽好哦！ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-10-24T11:35:25.924200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-10-24T11:35:30.843800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
仔細聽好哦！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2024-10-24T11:35:30.843800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2024-10-24T11:35:35.763400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
你現在很大力在弄無人機哦！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2024-10-24T11:35:35.763400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2024-10-24T11:35:40.683000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
沒有人反對你發展無人機哦！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-10-24T11:35:40.683000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:04.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
可是到現在為止，我們國防部相關的兵種沒有對飛靶做訓練，所以對於中共的有線無人機等於是束手無策。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:04.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:07.660900+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
就是認真看，來了喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:07.660900+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:10.456800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
好高喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:10.456800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:13.252700+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
這樣而已。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:13.252700+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:16.048600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
來，李院長嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:16.048600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:18.844500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
請李將軍回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:18.844500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:21.640400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
委員，跟你報告一下，剛剛陸軍參謀長已經講過了，有線的有它的限制，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.032 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:21.640400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:24.436300+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
就是高度不夠高。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:24.436300+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:27.232200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
所以對於有線的無人機，我們硬殺的手段，我覺得用散彈會比您用單發去練習打飛靶要好得多。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.026 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:27.232200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:30.028100+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
什麼叫散彈？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
陳參謀長建義 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:30.028100+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:32.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
散彈槍。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:32.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:36.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
你告訴我散彈可以射幾公里？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:37.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:39.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
散彈就是因為它的距離有限。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:39.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:40.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
可以射幾公里？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:41.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:41.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
高度嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:41.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:42.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
對，高度。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:42.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:45.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
大概100公尺左右。100公尺？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:45.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:46.392000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
無人機飛那麼低啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:46.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:49.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
因為有線的高度真的高不了。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:49.374000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:50.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
大概一般可以到多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:52.135000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:56.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
解放軍的飛10公里能夠到多少高度，我真的沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:56.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:57.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
超過100啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:57.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2024-10-24T11:36:59.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
你去看看！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2024-10-24T11:36:59.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:00.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
你隨便亂講！ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:00.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:01.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
100公尺很短耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:03.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:04.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
我們一個操場就250啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:04.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:04.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
所以跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:04.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:05.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
一半而已啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:05.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:05.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
眼睛也看得到。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:05.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:09.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
跟委員報告，我們考慮到這個狀況，所以我們也幫陸軍設計了去連結在外島的20機砲，然後用我們的射控系統來直接帶20機砲做射擊。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.019 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:09.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:10.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
請教部長，這個部長可以拍板啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:10.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:13.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
你要不要下令我們陸軍或者什麼軍都好，所有的兵種要做飛靶訓練，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:13.122000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:15.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
他們現在都沒有耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:15.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:18.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
你不是部長，我請問部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:18.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:21.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
報告委員，我再講一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:21.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:24.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
你是院長，不是部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:24.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:27.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
上個禮拜一委員會考察的時候，因為委員沒有參加，當時我們就已經把射擊測試的影片向參與考察的委員都播放過了，那是非常有效的射擊。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.741 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:51.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:51.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
不是啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:52.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:54.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
你沒有回答我的問題，你不是部長啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:55.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:55.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
請部長回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:55.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:56.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
你要不要下令做我們的飛靶訓練啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:56.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:57.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:57.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:58.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
委員，我…… |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:56.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:56.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
不然怎麼辦呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:56.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:58.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
委員的指教，我會下去跟各個聯參來研議一下，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:58.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:58.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
有這麼困難嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:58.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2024-10-24T11:37:58.136000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
我們來看。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2024-10-24T11:37:58.196000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2024-10-24T11:38:22.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
我們說我們的劍翔反輻射無人機或者攻擊無人機有多讚，受美方青睞，然後跟我們要設計圖，貼牌輸出，美方替我們賣，顧立雄部長說樂見其成。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.845 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2024-10-24T11:38:22.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2024-10-24T11:38:22.949000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
請你說來聽聽看，我們的劍翔這麼棒，可以讓美方貼我們的牌，就是貼它的牌啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.719 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2024-10-24T11:38:22.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2024-10-24T11:38:23.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
會不會到時候又賣回來給我們啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2024-10-24T11:38:23.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2024-10-24T11:38:44.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
李院長可以講。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2024-10-24T11:38:44.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2024-10-24T11:38:46.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
目前正在進行的合作案裡面沒有這樣子的規劃。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2024-10-24T11:38:48.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2024-10-24T11:38:49.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
它有貼牌不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2024-10-24T11:38:49.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2024-10-24T11:38:49.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
還沒有到這個程度。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2024-10-24T11:38:49.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2024-10-24T11:38:49.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
我們的顧部長說樂見其成耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2024-10-24T11:38:49.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2024-10-24T11:38:50.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
我們的消息這樣講，顧部長樂見其成他們貼牌！ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2024-10-24T11:38:50.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2024-10-24T11:38:50.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
我們期待可以往這個方向發展。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2024-10-24T11:38:50.999000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2024-10-24T11:38:51.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
樂見美國貼它的牌，用我們的東西是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2024-10-24T11:38:51.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2024-10-24T11:39:08.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
請部長回答一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2024-10-24T11:39:08.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2024-10-24T11:39:16.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
我沒有特定指哪一個無人機，我現在只是在說我們希望達成一個國際供應鏈裡面的一環。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2024-10-24T11:39:16.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2024-10-24T11:39:23.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
我想主要是在做產業分工這樣的一個說明，不是在特別地指定哪一個項目或哪一個…… |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2024-10-24T11:39:24.861000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2024-10-24T11:39:27.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
因為你那時候講這個話是針對無人機，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2024-10-24T11:39:27.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2024-10-24T11:39:33.223000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
因為後來這個標題就一直拉到這個地方去，我講話的重點應該是在說我們要進入美國為主導的國際供應鏈裡面的一環。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2024-10-24T11:39:33.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2024-10-24T11:39:33.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
好，這個我替你補充啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2024-10-24T11:39:33.604000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2024-10-24T11:39:33.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
你是律師，比較精準。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2024-10-24T11:39:33.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2024-10-24T11:39:34.904000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
你講的是不是就是針對非紅色供應鏈？ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2024-10-24T11:39:34.904000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2024-10-24T11:39:58.475000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
我們join進來，也歡迎美國拿所有中科院發展出來的東西貼牌，本席這樣說對吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2024-10-24T11:39:58.495000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2024-10-24T11:39:58.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2024-10-24T11:39:58.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2024-10-24T11:40:06.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
Acceptable？ |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:06.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2024-10-24T11:40:11.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
委員，不是說歡迎他們貼牌，我們希望能夠在這個國防供應鏈扮演相當的角色，彼此截長補短。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.816 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:11.867000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2024-10-24T11:40:12.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
只說角色的話，大家聽不懂啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:12.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2024-10-24T11:40:13.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
那就叫貼牌，就是歡迎貼牌。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:13.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2024-10-24T11:40:13.648000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
可以嗎？院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:24.055000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2024-10-24T11:40:28.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
我不認為是這樣的說法，我們是希望成為供應鏈裡面的一環，而且我們有相關的強項，是憑藉能力成為供應鏈的一環。 |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:28.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2024-10-24T11:40:28.939000+08:00 |
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你知道供應鏈的意思嗎？ |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:28.979000+08:00 |
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2024-10-24T11:40:33.402000+08:00 |
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Value Chain、Supply Chain，就是我們製造、設計，Marketing由美國負責，讓他們貼牌去賣，這個很好啊！ |
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0.855 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:33.523000+08:00 |
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2024-10-24T11:40:33.623000+08:00 |
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有什麼不對呢？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:33.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
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2024-10-24T11:40:33.943000+08:00 |
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從企業的經營角度來說，OK啊！ |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:34.263000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2024-10-24T11:40:34.403000+08:00 |
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這有什麼不好？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:34.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-24T11:40:44.110500+08:00 |
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你們怕什麼？ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:44.110500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-24T11:40:53.818000+08:00 |
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本席不知道你們在怕什麼。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:53.818000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2024-10-24T11:40:57.462000+08:00 |
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我沒有辦法清楚地理解您所謂的「貼牌」這兩個字，因為媒體用「貼牌」這兩個字，所以你現在也用「貼牌」這兩個字…… |
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0.705 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:57.882000+08:00 |
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2024-10-24T11:40:58.643000+08:00 |
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本席說的具體一點，臺灣的中科院設計、製造，包括研發啦！ |
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0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2024-10-24T11:40:58.803000+08:00 |
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2024-10-24T11:41:16.518000+08:00 |
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美國做Marketing，這樣可以嗎？可以。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2024-10-24T11:41:16.898000+08:00 |
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2024-10-24T11:41:17.378000+08:00 |
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可以嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2024-10-24T11:41:17.679000+08:00 |
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2024-10-24T11:41:18.299000+08:00 |
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行銷策略就包括貼牌。 |
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0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2024-10-24T11:41:18.419000+08:00 |
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2024-10-24T11:41:35.197000+08:00 |
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貼牌是比較淺顯的說法，就是Branding，品牌行銷，到時候品牌就打上MADE IN USA，但裡面的東西是我們的，不過本席懷疑能不能做到啦！ |
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0.54 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2024-10-24T11:41:36.898000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2024-10-24T11:41:37.919000+08:00 |
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請中科院院長回答一下。 |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2024-10-24T11:41:38.759000+08:00 |
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2024-10-24T11:41:46.325000+08:00 |
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我們的意思應該是，我們可以擔任產品的供應商、元件供應商，或者共同開發，或者我們被授權等等，這些都是相關的、可能的機會嘛！ |
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0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2024-10-24T11:41:46.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-24T11:41:47.325000+08:00 |
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他們做Marketing，沒錯啊！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2024-10-24T11:41:46.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2024-10-24T11:41:47.186000+08:00 |
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請問無人機最關鍵的技術是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2024-10-24T11:41:47.186000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2024-10-24T11:41:47.206000+08:00 |
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請院長說明。 |
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0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
李院長世強 |
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2024-10-24T11:41:47.206000+08:00 |
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2024-10-24T11:42:06.484000+08:00 |
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委員，無人機最關鍵的技術，就我來說的話，第一個，它要能完全無人，把人力的操縱降到最低；第二個，匿蹤和噪音降低。 |
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0.851 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2024-10-24T11:42:07.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2024-10-24T11:42:11.168000+08:00 |
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照相最重要不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2024-10-24T11:42:11.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-24T11:42:12.168000+08:00 |
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包括攝影。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2024-10-24T11:42:11.168000+08:00 |
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2024-10-24T11:42:11.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
這個是選配。 |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2024-10-24T11:42:14.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2024-10-24T11:42:16.212000+08:00 |
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我們可以自己做嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2024-10-24T11:42:16.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2024-10-24T11:42:17.353000+08:00 |
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我們的技術是不是成熟的？ |
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0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
李院長世強 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2024-10-24T11:42:18.854000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2024-10-24T11:42:27.820000+08:00 |
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我們今天早上有答詢過，我們現在只要把某一個技術克服，等到那個機器到了，我們也克服技術以後，的確，我們是有這個機會。好啦！ |
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0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2024-10-24T11:42:28.901000+08:00 |
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2024-10-24T11:42:29.201000+08:00 |
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「驚驚袂著等」，本席替你們吹噓，但是你們卻不敢說。 |
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0.3 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2024-10-24T11:42:29.301000+08:00 |
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2024-10-24T11:42:30.522000+08:00 |
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中科院做設計、研發、製造，然後美國貼牌，這樣多讚，但是你們卻不敢說，奇怪！好啦！謝謝。 |
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0.794 |
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主席（馬委員文君代） |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2024-10-24T11:42:31.022000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-10-24T11:42:34.736286+08:00 |
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接下來請林憶君召委上台質詢。 |
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賴委員士葆：（11時32分）謝謝主席及各位先進，有請國防部顧部長。 |
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主席：請顧部長。 |
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賴委員士葆：如果問到相關的問題，其它長官可以來幫忙。 |
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顧部長立雄：賴委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：部長你好。辛苦了！今天講無人機，請問你知不知道無人機有兩種，一個叫有線，一個叫無線，你知道嗎？ |
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顧部長立雄：有線、無線？我的理解…… |
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賴委員士葆：請幫忙的上來。你不知道喔？ |
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陳參謀長建義：報告委員，是的。 |
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賴委員士葆：是的嘛！有線的無人機，烏克蘭做的1公里，大陸做的10公里，金門、馬祖最近不到10公里，所以干擾槍無效。干擾槍是打無線的，對吧？ |
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陳參謀長建義：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：你告訴我，有線的要怎麼辦呢？老共的都是有線的，不是無線的。 |
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陳參謀長建義：報告委員，沒有錯，在俄烏戰場上面，的確也發現到俄羅斯使用了有線的無人機。但是基本上在運用上面，有線、無線還是有它的一些優缺點。譬如說，有線的它的線控基本上可能滯空時間可以長達數小時，但是相對地，它有線的高度和距離對它也產生一個限制。 |
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賴委員士葆：因為我時間有限，你不用講那麼多。 |
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陳參謀長建義：基本上，我們對它來說，沒有錯，干擾可能…… |
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賴委員士葆：你告訴我怎麼打？ |
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陳參謀長建義：就是所謂的硬殺。 |
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賴委員士葆：硬殺就用槍打下來嘛！對不對？ |
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陳參謀長建義：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：最簡單來講，砰！砰！把它打下來，這個叫有線的，因為它是有線的喔！就這樣打。 |
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陳參謀長建義：但是在有線的運用上面來說，它不太可能那麼大量，因為它本身繫留的線對它就是一個限制。 |
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賴委員士葆：上一次跑到金門，那是有線，還是無線的？ |
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陳參謀長建義：無線的。 |
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賴委員士葆：無線的？無線的用石頭丟啊？回答一下。無線的我們用石頭丟，不是嗎？ |
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陳參謀長建義：我們現在已經完成了相關的應處程序，也規劃建置了反制系統。 |
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賴委員士葆：用槍打，要訓練嘛！你告訴我，各兵種有沒有飛靶訓練？哪一位長官？你嗎？ |
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陳參謀長建義：陸軍報告，飛靶目前在我們的訓練項目沒有…… |
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賴委員士葆：沒有啦！我查過了，沒有啦！奇怪！如果它飛過來是有線的，你不能用干擾槍，干擾槍是無線的，你只能用射靶、用槍來打，結果我們又沒有訓練，要怎麼辦？中共的無人機要來就隨它來嗎？大家看，認真看就好了，是這樣子喔？長官你要回答一下。 |
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陳參謀長建義：報告委員，在平時跟…… |
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賴委員士葆：請問你是哪一位？ |
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陳參謀長建義：報告，我是陸軍參謀長陳建義。跟委員報告，在平時跟戰時的考慮還是有所區別。平時我們要考慮它設計和相關背景的安全因素，這個時候當然限制會比較多；可是如果在戰時的話，它是一個對我有敵意、近襲的無人機，我們各項的防空武器和地面的火炮就可以形成火網。 |
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賴委員士葆：你不用講那麼多啦！你現在回答我，顧部長聽好哦！仔細聽好哦！你現在很大力在弄無人機哦！沒有人反對你發展無人機哦！可是到現在為止，我們國防部相關的兵種沒有對飛靶做訓練，所以對於中共的有線無人機等於是束手無策。就是認真看，來了喔！好高喔！這樣而已。來，李院長嗎？請李將軍回答。 |
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李院長世強：委員，跟你報告一下，剛剛陸軍參謀長已經講過了，有線的有它的限制，對不對？就是高度不夠高。所以對於有線的無人機，我們硬殺的手段，我覺得用散彈會比您用單發去練習打飛靶要好得多。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼叫散彈？ |
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陳參謀長建義：散彈槍。 |
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賴委員士葆：你告訴我散彈可以射幾公里？ |
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李院長世強：散彈就是因為它的距離有限。 |
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賴委員士葆：可以射幾公里？ |
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李院長世強：高度嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：對，高度。 |
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李院長世強：大概100公尺左右。 |
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賴委員士葆：100公尺？無人機飛那麼低啊？ |
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李院長世強：因為有線的高度真的高不了。 |
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賴委員士葆：大概一般可以到多少？ |
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李院長世強：解放軍的飛10公里能夠到多少高度，我真的沒有…… |
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賴委員士葆：超過100啦！你去看看！你隨便亂講！100公尺很短耶！我們一個操場就250啦！ |
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李院長世強：所以跟委員報告…… |
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賴委員士葆：一半而已啊！眼睛也看得到。 |
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李院長世強：跟委員報告，我們考慮到這個狀況，所以我們也幫陸軍設計了去連結在外島的20機砲，然後用我們的射控系統來直接帶20機砲做射擊。 |
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賴委員士葆：請教部長，這個部長可以拍板啦！你要不要下令我們陸軍或者什麼軍都好，所有的兵種要做飛靶訓練，可以嗎？他們現在都沒有耶！你不是部長，我請問部長。 |
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李院長世強：報告委員，我再講一下。 |
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賴委員士葆：你是院長，不是部長。 |
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李院長世強：上個禮拜一委員會考察的時候，因為委員沒有參加，當時我們就已經把射擊測試的影片向參與考察的委員都播放過了，那是非常有效的射擊。 |
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賴委員士葆：不是啦！你沒有回答我的問題，你不是部長啊！請部長回答。你要不要下令做我們的飛靶訓練啊？可以嗎？ |
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顧部長立雄：委員，我…… |
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賴委員士葆：不然怎麼辦呢？ |
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顧部長立雄：委員的指教，我會下去跟各個聯參來研議一下，好不好？ |
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賴委員士葆：有這麼困難嗎？我們來看。我們說我們的劍翔反輻射無人機或者攻擊無人機有多讚，受美方青睞，然後跟我們要設計圖，貼牌輸出，美方替我們賣，顧立雄部長說樂見其成。請你說來聽聽看，我們的劍翔這麼棒，可以讓美方貼我們的牌，就是貼它的牌啦！會不會到時候又賣回來給我們啊？李院長可以講。 |
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李院長世強：目前正在進行的合作案裡面沒有這樣子的規劃。 |
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賴委員士葆：它有貼牌不是嗎？ |
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李院長世強：還沒有到這個程度。 |
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賴委員士葆：我們的顧部長說樂見其成耶！我們的消息這樣講，顧部長樂見其成他們貼牌！ |
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李院長世強：我們期待可以往這個方向發展。 |
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賴委員士葆：樂見美國貼它的牌，用我們的東西是不是？請部長回答一下。 |
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顧部長立雄：我沒有特定指哪一個無人機，我現在只是在說我們希望達成一個國際供應鏈裡面的一環。我想主要是在做產業分工這樣的一個說明，不是在特別地指定哪一個項目或哪一個…… |
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賴委員士葆：因為你那時候講這個話是針對無人機，對不對？ |
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顧部長立雄：因為後來這個標題就一直拉到這個地方去，我講話的重點應該是在說我們要進入美國為主導的國際供應鏈裡面的一環。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，這個我替你補充啦！你是律師，比較精準。你講的是不是就是針對非紅色供應鏈？我們join進來，也歡迎美國拿所有中科院發展出來的東西貼牌，本席這樣說對吧？可以嗎？Acceptable？ |
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李院長世強：委員，不是說歡迎他們貼牌，我們希望能夠在這個國防供應鏈扮演相當的角色，彼此截長補短。 |
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賴委員士葆：只說角色的話，大家聽不懂啦！那就叫貼牌，就是歡迎貼牌。可以嗎？院長。 |
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顧部長立雄：我不認為是這樣的說法，我們是希望成為供應鏈裡面的一環，而且我們有相關的強項，是憑藉能力成為供應鏈的一環。 |
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賴委員士葆：你知道供應鏈的意思嗎？Value Chain、Supply Chain，就是我們製造、設計，Marketing由美國負責，讓他們貼牌去賣，這個很好啊！有什麼不對呢？從企業的經營角度來說，OK啊！這有什麼不好？你們怕什麼？本席不知道你們在怕什麼。 |
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顧部長立雄：我沒有辦法清楚地理解您所謂的「貼牌」這兩個字，因為媒體用「貼牌」這兩個字，所以你現在也用「貼牌」這兩個字…… |
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賴委員士葆：本席說的具體一點，臺灣的中科院設計、製造，包括研發啦！美國做Marketing，這樣可以嗎？ |
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李院長世強：可以。 |
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賴委員士葆：可以嘛！行銷策略就包括貼牌。貼牌是比較淺顯的說法，就是Branding，品牌行銷，到時候品牌就打上MADE IN USA，但裡面的東西是我們的，不過本席懷疑能不能做到啦！請中科院院長回答一下。 |
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顧部長立雄：我們的意思應該是，我們可以擔任產品的供應商、元件供應商，或者共同開發，或者我們被授權等等，這些都是相關的、可能的機會嘛！ |
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賴委員士葆：他們做Marketing，沒錯啊！請問無人機最關鍵的技術是什麼？請院長說明。 |
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李院長世強：委員，無人機最關鍵的技術，就我來說的話，第一個，它要能完全無人，把人力的操縱降到最低；第二個，匿蹤和噪音降低。 |
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賴委員士葆：照相最重要不是嗎？包括攝影。 |
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李院長世強：這個是選配。 |
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賴委員士葆：我們可以自己做嗎？我們的技術是不是成熟的？ |
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李院長世強：我們今天早上有答詢過，我們現在只要把某一個技術克服，等到那個機器到了，我們也克服技術以後，的確，我們是有這個機會。 |
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賴委員士葆：好啦！「驚驚袂著等」，本席替你們吹噓，但是你們卻不敢說。中科院做設計、研發、製造，然後美國貼牌，這樣多讚，但是你們卻不敢說，奇怪！好啦！謝謝。 |
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主席（馬委員文君代）：接下來請林憶君召委上台質詢。 |
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166 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-35-8 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
林憶君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
羅美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
陳永康 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
王定宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
黃仁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
洪申翰 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
馬文君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
黃捷 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
105 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-24 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138901 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1138901_00003 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請國防部部長報告「國軍無人機運用現況與未來發展機會及挑戰，並就協助中科院推動民雄航
太暨無人機產業園區的開發作業進度及概況」，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1138901_00002 |