| IVOD_ID |
155716 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155716 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-17T11:50:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-17T11:57:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c08b8ebdc8e306591afa8e36a5ab8efde4e273edfded794f31331746fe9cf806469bd687902d0e25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:50:39 - 11:57:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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主席、在場委員、先進、列席的政府監事長、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生有請顧部長還有資源規劃司的鄧司長、人事參謀次長室的劉次長和訓練參謀次長室的張次長再請 |
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我請三位次長怎麼跑出四位我剛請了三位怎麼跑出了四位資源規劃師還有人事參謀次長還有訓練參謀次長抱歉抱歉你那個志願出來了我們是沒有意見 |
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好 謝謝部長剛好承接著林黛化委員我在上週也問過您同樣的問題對不對就是國軍的人才招募以及他們的薪資待遇我的標籤很簡單招募短一期的志願役士官兵要知己知彼讓他知道自己的能耐你們要知道這個志願役的能耐 |
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代孕衡量職業生涯週期,要比照景象。 |
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我們那個新訓8週部長知不知道8週內容部長都知道我們列出來了因為上週問你的時候第一週就是個人資料建立都是在課堂內填表認識軍法裝備訓練項通通都是室內課第二週開始基本體能開始要跑步才有手段投擲第三四週才有實彈射擊還有500障礙然後5到7週才會有怎麼樣行軍 |
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戰績涉及還有第8週才會真的實戰的戰術行軍才抽籤嗎?這樣部長了解吼?是好你認為一個興訓入伍的人員他什麼時候大概知道自己有沒有能力來承擔軍旅生活?在第一週嗎?在課堂上你填表單嗎?還是完成了8週真正三天兩夜實戰行戰術行軍他才知道自己有沒有能力承受軍旅生涯的這樣的一個負荷你認為呢?哪一天比較好? |
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委員是認為我上次已經質詢過是希望在第8週不過我回去跟他們討論他們還是認為就是說在這個我覺得我上週說服了你但是我覺得你們底下的人又跟你說要反過來了如果沒有到第8週你連這個兵適不適合當志願役的短疫情勢官兵你都不見得掌握阿他第一週給你填表說我志願簽4年你要收嗎?汰除率那麼高? |
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我跟您比較過了 如果你們是在這種部隊裡面招募的 興訊招募的 達成率超過百分之百但是汰除率呢 比跟社會青年招募來的汰除率更高 有沒有 |
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報告委員我先跟委員解釋一下是是就是說我們在第二週做招募的工作的原因你們在第一週就招募了第一週第二週比較多的室內課就做招募那我要跟委員講清楚啊我們有眼線在裡面對上個禮拜委員跟我們講完之後我們召集各軍司令部來有研討過這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
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但是最主要的問題在於說我今天不管第一週或第二週做完招募之後我要有六週的審查包含智力測驗包含到外面他的所有就醫的紀錄你的審查是審查他在入伍之前的事情但他在部隊裡面的實測的訓練專長訓練如何這才是他能不能適應軍旅生活的關鍵不是嗎他如果三天兩夜的戰術訓練都做不到你要招募他嗎因為他第一週就簽了四年了 |
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跟委員報告就是說他在第8週起義之前他都可以防衛也就是說在這個過程裡面他覺得他不是因為所以你們意思說我們國軍招募不清只怕他反悔不怕我們反悔嗎他根本體能上不身負荷我們不會把他汰除嗎等到他開始簽下去正式會議才汰除因為你們要達成招募率啊部長怎麼解釋意思應該是說我們審查的期間我們也會你們是審查他入伍之前的外部資料不是審查他再訓期間的表現資料 |
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因為他簽了,他如果覺得後來受不了,他才會離開嘛,但是你們要求一個18歲到20歲做這件事情,跟你們部隊要招說這個兵適不適合來當兵,你們有自己的專業判斷,你們的判斷比他更成熟啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
285.986 |
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307.012 |
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這個傢伙適不適合當兵,能不能判斷?應該是說,他們應該是會在第8週確定的時候,他之前應該還是可以決定不留名。你們把第8週的汰除給我看,第8週只要第1週第2週有簽的,除了第8週除了他自願不想幹的,你們有說這個傢伙不適合第8週你們把他汰除的,汰除率給我看。 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
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因為你們沒有經過實測你怎麼知道這個簽下去的人適不適合未來當事年了解齁我講的是合道理的部長同不同意所以您剛剛講的是一方面是我們的審查當然你們要審查啦那另外一方面是他你們的太卒率欸他的他 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
323.57 |
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他自願不想做了那是他的事情你們要不要留他因為你們現在目標管理每個部隊都有邊縣米的要求他只要招進來他達到目標了他就沒事了接下來這個兵一年兩年三年出了什麼事跟他無關了解嗎下一個 |
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342.11 |
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好第二個我的那個待遇問題我上次有問過你們新加坡美國跟以色列的待遇為什麼我要說這個因為我們的兵啊志願役的短役期的不會超過10年32歲退伍但是我們的警察跟消防他們可以做到55到57歲退休同樣的起薪我們看下一張 |
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我們志願役的二等兵是4萬1警察是5萬2消防是6萬2大概警察已經接近新加坡的水準消防還差美國的13萬很多以色列的10萬很多你要知道同樣的年齡進來他的職涯生涯這麼長你給他這個薪水跟職涯規劃只有10年青春職業運動選手是不是待遇很高為什麼因為他只有10年可以賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
389.099 |
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最後的結論可不可以對院內 |
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結論就是我剛剛也跟林大夫委員提到了,我們現在對於基層的這個……志願役的短役級士官兵一個月內提出順便報告,可以嗎?是好,謝謝好,謝謝鍾佳濱委員,各位請回 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2024-10-17T11:50:39.459000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2024-10-17T11:50:43.741000+08:00 |
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主席、在場委員先進、列席的政府機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。 |
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0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2024-10-17T11:50:44.321000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2024-10-17T11:50:52.184000+08:00 |
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有請顧部長、資源規劃司的鄧司長、人事參謀次長室的劉次長和訓練參謀次長室的張次長。請。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2024-10-17T11:51:03.253000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2024-10-17T11:51:09.780000+08:00 |
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我剛剛請了三位次長，怎麼跑出來四位？ |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2024-10-17T11:51:11.682000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2024-10-17T11:51:12.083000+08:00 |
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資源規劃司、人事參謀次長和訓練參謀次長。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2024-10-17T11:51:24.878000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:51:31.120000+08:00 |
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部長，剛好承接著林岱樺委員的質詢，我在上週也問過您同樣的問題，對不對？ |
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0.839 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2024-10-17T11:51:31.120000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2024-10-17T11:51:34.241000+08:00 |
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就是國軍的人才招募及他們的薪資待遇。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2024-10-17T11:51:34.441000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:51:44.304000+08:00 |
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我的標題很簡單，招募短役期的志願役士官兵，要知己知彼，讓他知道自己的能耐，你們要知道這個志願役的能耐，然後他的待遇，須衡量他的職業生涯的週期，要能夠比照警消，我現在申論之。 |
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0.714 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2024-10-17T11:51:44.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-17T11:51:49.512400+08:00 |
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好，上次我問的是說，你認為新訓入伍後要到什麼時候才能夠瞭解軍旅生活？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2024-10-17T11:51:49.512400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2024-10-17T11:51:54.720800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
我在上週的時候，您說要去檢討。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2024-10-17T11:51:54.720800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-17T11:51:59.929200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
新訓入伍是訓練次長主責的嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2024-10-17T11:51:59.929200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-17T11:52:05.137600+08:00 |
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次長，你有跟部長報告你們現在新訓的課程內容嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2024-10-17T11:52:05.137600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2024-10-17T11:52:10.346000+08:00 |
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有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
張次長俊志 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2024-10-17T11:52:10.346000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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2024-10-17T11:52:12.267000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我們那個新訓八週…… |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2024-10-17T11:52:12.267000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2024-10-17T11:52:12.807000+08:00 |
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部長知不知道？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
張次長俊志 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-10-17T11:52:13.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-10-17T11:52:14.748000+08:00 |
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八週的內容部長都知道。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-10-17T11:52:14.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-17T11:52:15.748000+08:00 |
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好，部長來。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-10-17T11:52:14.888000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:52:44.054000+08:00 |
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我列出來了，上週問你的時候，知道第一週就是個人資料建立，都是在課堂內填表、認識軍法、裝備訓練，統統都是室內課；第二週開始訓練基本體能，開始要跑步，還有手榴彈投擲；第三、四週才有實彈射擊和500公尺障礙；然後五到七週才會有行軍、戰技射擊；第八週才會真正實戰的戰術行軍，才抽籤分發，這樣部長瞭解了？是。 |
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0.82 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-10-17T11:52:44.635000+08:00 |
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2024-10-17T11:52:51.801000+08:00 |
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好，你認為一個新訓入伍的人員，他什麼時候大概知道自己有沒有能力來承擔軍旅生活？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2024-10-17T11:52:52.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2024-10-17T11:52:54.283000+08:00 |
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在第一週嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-10-17T11:52:54.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-10-17T11:52:56.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
在課堂上填表單嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-10-17T11:52:56.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-10-17T11:53:04.731000+08:00 |
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還是完成了八週真正三天兩夜戰術訓練，他才知道自己有沒有能力承受軍旅生涯的負荷，你認為呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-10-17T11:53:04.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-10-17T11:53:05.612000+08:00 |
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哪一天比較好？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-10-17T11:53:06.939000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-10-17T11:53:16.344000+08:00 |
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委員上次已經質詢過，是希望在第八週，不過我回去跟他們討論，他們還是認為…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-10-17T11:53:17.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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2024-10-17T11:53:33.292000+08:00 |
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我覺得我上週說服了你，但是我覺得你們底下的人又跟你說要反過來了，如果沒有到第八週，你連這個兵適不適合當志願役的短役期士官兵，你都不見得能掌握，他第一週填表說他志願簽四年才當，你要收嗎？ |
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0.894 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-10-17T11:53:33.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-10-17T11:53:33.893000+08:00 |
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汰除率那麼高。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-10-17T11:53:35.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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2024-10-17T11:53:46.566000+08:00 |
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我比較過了，如果你們是在這種部隊裡面招募的，達成率超過百分之百，但是汰除率比跟社會青年招募來的汰除率更高，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
劉次長沛智 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-10-17T11:53:47.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-10-17T11:53:55.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
報告委員，我先跟委員解釋，我們在第二週做招募的工作的原因…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-10-17T11:53:55.249000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2024-10-17T11:53:56.509000+08:00 |
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你們在第一週就做招募了。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
劉次長沛智 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2024-10-17T11:53:57.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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2024-10-17T11:54:00.791000+08:00 |
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第一週、第二週比較多的是在室內課就做招募的，跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2024-10-17T11:54:00.791000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2024-10-17T11:54:01.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
是的，講清楚啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-10-17T11:54:01.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2024-10-17T11:54:03.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
我們有眼線在裡面。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
劉次長沛智 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2024-10-17T11:54:03.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2024-10-17T11:54:19.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
對，上個禮拜委員跟我們講完之後，我們召集各軍司令部來，研討過這個問題，但是最主要的問題在於，今天不管是第一週或第二週做完招募之後，要有六週的審查，包含智力測驗，包含到外面他的所有就醫紀錄…… |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.988 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-10-17T11:54:19.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-10-17T11:54:30.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
你的審查是審查他在入伍之前的事情，但是他在部隊裡面實測的專長訓練如何，這才是他能不能適應軍旅生活的關鍵，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-10-17T11:54:30.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-10-17T11:54:33.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
他如果三天兩夜的戰術訓練都做不到，你還要招募他嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-10-17T11:54:33.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-10-17T11:54:35.176000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
因為他第一週就簽了四年了。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
劉次長沛智 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-10-17T11:54:35.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-10-17T11:54:42.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
跟委員報告，他在第八週起役之前都可以反悔，也就是說在這個過程裡面，他覺得不適應…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-10-17T11:54:43.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-10-17T11:54:48.164000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
所以你們的意思是說我們國軍招募，只怕他反悔，不怕我們反悔嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-10-17T11:54:48.164000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-10-17T11:54:51.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
他根本體能上不勝負荷，我們也不會把他汰除嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-10-17T11:54:51.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2024-10-17T11:54:54.448000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
等到他開始簽下去，正式服役才汰除，因為你們要達成招募率嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-10-17T11:54:54.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-10-17T11:54:56.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
部長，怎麼解釋？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-10-17T11:54:56.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-10-17T11:54:59.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
意思應該是說，我們審查的期間，我們也會…… |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-10-17T11:54:59.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-10-17T11:55:04.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
你們是審查他入伍之前的外部資料，不是審查他在訓期間的表現資料，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-10-17T11:55:04.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-10-17T11:55:07.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
沒錯嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
劉次長沛智 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-10-17T11:55:07.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-10-17T11:55:09.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
在訓練的過程裡面，他隨時可以因為不適應…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-10-17T11:55:09.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-10-17T11:55:13.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
因為他簽了，他如果覺得後來受不了，他才會離開嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-10-17T11:55:14.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-10-17T11:55:23.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
但是你們要求一個18歲到20歲的人做這件事情，跟你們部隊要招收這個兵適不適合來當兵，你們有自己的專業判斷，你們的判斷比他更成熟啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-10-17T11:55:24.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-10-17T11:55:27.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
這個傢伙適不適合當兵，能不能判斷？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-10-17T11:55:27.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-10-17T11:55:33.628000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
應該是說，他們應該是會在第八週確定的時候，他之前…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-10-17T11:55:35.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-10-17T11:55:52.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
好，部長，我直接說，你們把第八週的汰除率給我，只要第一週、第二週有簽的，除了第八週自願不想幹的，你們有說這個傢伙不適合，第八週你們要把他汰除了，汰除率給我看，因為你們沒有經過實測，你怎麼知道這個簽下去的適不適合未來當四年？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.838 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-10-17T11:55:53.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-10-17T11:55:53.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
瞭解嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-10-17T11:55:53.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-10-17T11:55:55.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
我講的是合道理的，部長，同不同意？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-10-17T11:55:55.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-10-17T11:55:57.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
所以您剛剛講的，一方面是我們的審查…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2024-10-17T11:55:57.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-10-17T11:55:58.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
當然你們要審查啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-10-17T11:55:59.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2024-10-17T11:55:59.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
另外一方面是…… |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-10-17T11:56:00.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-10-17T11:56:01.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
你們的汰除率耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2024-10-17T11:56:01.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2024-10-17T11:56:02.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
他自願簽下來，他可以…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.222 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2024-10-17T11:56:02.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2024-10-17T11:56:05.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
他自願不想做了，那是他的事情。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-10-17T11:56:05.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2024-10-17T11:56:06.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
你們要不要留他？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2024-10-17T11:56:07.313000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2024-10-17T11:56:17.801000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
因為你們現在的目標管理，每個部隊都有編現比的要求，只要招進來、達到目標了，他就沒事了，接下來，這個兵一年、兩年、三年出了什麼事，跟他無關啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2024-10-17T11:56:17.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-10-17T11:56:18.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
瞭解嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-10-17T11:56:21.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2024-10-17T11:56:29.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
好，第二個是待遇問題，我上次有問過你們新加坡、美國跟以色列的待遇，為什麼我要說這個？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-10-17T11:56:29.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-10-17T11:56:38.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
因為我們的兵，志願役的、短役期的，不會超過十年，32歲退伍；但是我們的警察跟消防，他們可以做到55到57歲退休。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-10-17T11:56:39.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2024-10-17T11:56:54.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
同樣的起薪，志願役的二等兵是四萬一，警察是五萬二，消防是六萬二，警察已經接近新加坡的水準，消防還差美國的十三萬很多，差以色列的十萬很多。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.836 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-10-17T11:56:54.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2024-10-17T11:57:02.476000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
你要知道，同樣的年齡進來，他的職涯生涯這麼長，你給他這個薪水，跟職涯規劃只有十年的比，青春啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-10-17T11:57:04.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2024-10-17T11:57:05.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
職業運動選手是不是待遇很高？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-10-17T11:57:05.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-10-17T11:57:05.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-10-17T11:57:05.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2024-10-17T11:57:06.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
因為他只有十年可以賣，所以這些短役期的士官兵，他們在基層，他們不會有升遷，他們就是來為國家貢獻他們的青春，因為基層的士官兵，你們不會把他們留到32歲以後，除非他要當士官長，所以你們待遇要不要調整？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.103 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-10-17T11:57:06.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-10-17T11:57:07.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
是不是請摘要回答？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-10-17T11:57:07.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-10-17T11:57:08.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
時間到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-10-17T11:57:08.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-10-17T11:57:08.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
部長，最後的結論，可不可以一個月內給我？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-10-17T11:57:26.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2024-10-17T11:57:30.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
結論就是我剛剛跟林岱樺林委員提到的，我們現在對於基層的薪資…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-10-17T11:57:31.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2024-10-17T11:57:36.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
針對志願役的短役期士官兵的待遇，一個月內提出書面報告，可以嗎？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.724 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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好，謝謝鍾佳濱委員。 |
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主席 |
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各位請回。 |
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主席 |
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接下來進行詢答的委員是馬文君委員。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：（11時50分）主席、在場委員先進、列席的政府機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。有請顧部長、資源規劃司的鄧司長、人事參謀次長室的劉次長和訓練參謀次長室的張次長。 |
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主席：請。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：我剛剛請了三位次長，怎麼跑出來四位？資源規劃司、人事參謀次長和訓練參謀次長。 |
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部長，剛好承接著林岱樺委員的質詢，我在上週也問過您同樣的問題，對不對？就是國軍的人才招募及他們的薪資待遇。我的標題很簡單，招募短役期的志願役士官兵，要知己知彼，讓他知道自己的能耐，你們要知道這個志願役的能耐，然後他的待遇，須衡量他的職業生涯的週期，要能夠比照警消，我現在申論之。好，上次我問的是說，你認為新訓入伍後要到什麼時候才能夠瞭解軍旅生活？我在上週的時候，您說要去檢討。新訓入伍是訓練次長主責的嘛，對不對？次長，你有跟部長報告你們現在新訓的課程內容嗎？有沒有？ |
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張次長俊志：報告委員，我們那個新訓八週…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：部長知不知道？ |
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張次長俊志：八週的內容部長都知道。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：好，部長來。我列出來了，上週問你的時候，知道第一週就是個人資料建立，都是在課堂內填表、認識軍法、裝備訓練，統統都是室內課；第二週開始訓練基本體能，開始要跑步，還有手榴彈投擲；第三、四週才有實彈射擊和500公尺障礙；然後五到七週才會有行軍、戰技射擊；第八週才會真正實戰的戰術行軍，才抽籤分發，這樣部長瞭解了？ |
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顧部長立雄：是。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：好，你認為一個新訓入伍的人員，他什麼時候大概知道自己有沒有能力來承擔軍旅生活？在第一週嗎？在課堂上填表單嗎？還是完成了八週真正三天兩夜戰術訓練，他才知道自己有沒有能力承受軍旅生涯的負荷，你認為呢？哪一天比較好？ |
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顧部長立雄：委員上次已經質詢過，是希望在第八週，不過我回去跟他們討論，他們還是認為…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：我覺得我上週說服了你，但是我覺得你們底下的人又跟你說要反過來了，如果沒有到第八週，你連這個兵適不適合當志願役的短役期士官兵，你都不見得能掌握，他第一週填表說他志願簽四年才當，你要收嗎？汰除率那麼高。我比較過了，如果你們是在這種部隊裡面招募的，達成率超過百分之百，但是汰除率比跟社會青年招募來的汰除率更高，有沒有？ |
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劉次長沛智：報告委員，我先跟委員解釋，我們在第二週做招募的工作的原因…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：你們在第一週就做招募了。 |
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劉次長沛智：第一週、第二週比較多的是在室內課就做招募的，跟委員報告…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：是的，講清楚啊。我們有眼線在裡面。 |
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劉次長沛智：對，上個禮拜委員跟我們講完之後，我們召集各軍司令部來，研討過這個問題，但是最主要的問題在於，今天不管是第一週或第二週做完招募之後，要有六週的審查，包含智力測驗，包含到外面他的所有就醫紀錄…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：你的審查是審查他在入伍之前的事情，但是他在部隊裡面實測的專長訓練如何，這才是他能不能適應軍旅生活的關鍵，不是嗎？他如果三天兩夜的戰術訓練都做不到，你還要招募他嗎？因為他第一週就簽了四年了。 |
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劉次長沛智：跟委員報告，他在第八週起役之前都可以反悔，也就是說在這個過程裡面，他覺得不適應…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：所以你們的意思是說我們國軍招募，只怕他反悔，不怕我們反悔嗎？他根本體能上不勝負荷，我們也不會把他汰除嗎？等到他開始簽下去，正式服役才汰除，因為你們要達成招募率嘛。部長，怎麼解釋？ |
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顧部長立雄：意思應該是說，我們審查的期間，我們也會…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：你們是審查他入伍之前的外部資料，不是審查他在訓期間的表現資料，是不是？沒錯嘛！ |
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劉次長沛智：在訓練的過程裡面，他隨時可以因為不適應…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：因為他簽了，他如果覺得後來受不了，他才會離開嘛。但是你們要求一個18歲到20歲的人做這件事情，跟你們部隊要招收這個兵適不適合來當兵，你們有自己的專業判斷，你們的判斷比他更成熟啊。這個傢伙適不適合當兵，能不能判斷？ |
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顧部長立雄：應該是說，他們應該是會在第八週確定的時候，他之前…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：好，部長，我直接說，你們把第八週的汰除率給我，只要第一週、第二週有簽的，除了第八週自願不想幹的，你們有說這個傢伙不適合，第八週你們要把他汰除了，汰除率給我看，因為你們沒有經過實測，你怎麼知道這個簽下去的適不適合未來當四年？瞭解嗎？我講的是合道理的，部長，同不同意？ |
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顧部長立雄：所以您剛剛講的，一方面是我們的審查…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：當然你們要審查啦！ |
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顧部長立雄：另外一方面是…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：你們的汰除率耶！ |
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顧部長立雄：他自願簽下來，他可以…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：他自願不想做了，那是他的事情。 |
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顧部長立雄：是。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：你們要不要留他？因為你們現在的目標管理，每個部隊都有編現比的要求，只要招進來、達到目標了，他就沒事了，接下來，這個兵一年、兩年、三年出了什麼事，跟他無關啊。瞭解嗎？ |
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好，第二個是待遇問題，我上次有問過你們新加坡、美國跟以色列的待遇，為什麼我要說這個？因為我們的兵，志願役的、短役期的，不會超過十年，32歲退伍；但是我們的警察跟消防，他們可以做到55到57歲退休。同樣的起薪，志願役的二等兵是四萬一，警察是五萬二，消防是六萬二，警察已經接近新加坡的水準，消防還差美國的十三萬很多，差以色列的十萬很多。你要知道，同樣的年齡進來，他的職涯生涯這麼長，你給他這個薪水，跟職涯規劃只有十年的比，青春啊！職業運動選手是不是待遇很高？為什麼？因為他只有十年可以賣，所以這些短役期的士官兵，他們在基層，他們不會有升遷，他們就是來為國家貢獻他們的青春，因為基層的士官兵，你們不會把他們留到32歲以後，除非他要當士官長，所以你們待遇要不要調整？ |
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主席：是不是請摘要回答？時間到了。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：部長，最後的結論，可不可以一個月內給我？ |
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顧部長立雄：結論就是我剛剛跟林岱樺林委員提到的，我們現在對於基層的薪資…… |
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鍾委員佳濱：針對志願役的短役期士官兵的待遇，一個月內提出書面報告，可以嗎？ |
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顧部長立雄：是。 |
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鍾委員佳濱：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：好，謝謝鍾佳濱委員。各位請回。 |
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接下來進行詢答的委員是馬文君委員。 |
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王定宇 |
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陳永康 |
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羅美玲 |
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黃仁 |
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沈伯洋 |
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林楚茵 |
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洪申翰 |
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林憶君 |
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陳冠廷 |
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賴士葆 |
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林岱樺 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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馬文君 |
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洪孟楷 |
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牛煦庭 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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陳培瑜 |
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徐富癸 |
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麥玉珍 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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劉建國 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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1138601_00001 |