| IVOD_ID |
155301 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/155301 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-09T10:49:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-09T11:00:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
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請楊瓊瓔委員謝謝主席楊瓊瓔發言 邀請我們主委部長請農業部陳部長委員好 |
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農業部部長 |
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：楊瓊瓔 |
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：楊瓊瓔 |
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我跟委員說明就是這個案子超市案子監察院已經做了調查然後也針對農業部做了5項的一個糾正還有一些改善的一些作為那我們絕對尊重監察院或是審計部的這些調查結果我們也針對這個糾正的作為裡面 |
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是牽涉到很多行政上的一個疏失那特別是在採購的過程中的一個行政疏失的部分那我們也要求了區長會就是重新去建立一個標準的一個SOP好你還好有知有覺所以我們繼續來討論你沒有認為監察院審計單位都認為你自己也認為很多的缺失是 |
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好 除了請他們去改善之外移請司法單位之外本期要具體跟你討論你的行政調查那麼到目前為止在之前還沒有報出來的時候你們還一直說他是掛布警是一個有時機的甚至在你的Q&A的專區裡頭你都還一直說還一直說他是很好的 |
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那到今天本席上了你的網站看還是如此你認為你這個網站要不要調整請做說明已經那麼多缺失你仍舊在為他解釋你到底這是為什麼我跟委員說明我們在檢調單位啟動調查的時候我們會尊重檢調單位的調查結果這第一點第二點就是說 |
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專案進口是在112年那有一些是在111年發生的所以在112年的時候我們說超市有時機指的是他在111年有時機的部分你這麼說我真的嘩然我繼續跟你討論111年8月份雙方簽署了履約情形確認書對不對 |
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超市在什麼時候成立111年的9月5號成立他在未成立以前就可以去簽這個確認書這怎麼回事啊你到目前為止你的網站還在說 |
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還為他在說話這怎麼回事啊這怎麼回事太離譜了我插斷你的話你今天出了這麼大的包審計單位監察院司法都在調查你到目前為止你的網站Q&A專區還是如此太離譜了 |
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還沒有成立之前就可以簽確認書 |
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有問題趕快撤好不好一個政府還在為有問題的還在掛報警 |
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這個讓人家覺得很奇怪而且已經司法調查這麼長審計我們的這個這個監委都已經監察院都已經告訴你你也認為是有問題你到現在還讓他很清楚的掛在那裡農業部替他做保證難怪無法無天接下來你趕快去查有問題趕快撤你的原則是不是如此接下來我要再跟你討論 |
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總諮詢的時候卓院長說了有違法失職絕對嚴辦那你們很早也啟動行政調查請問請問在專案進口的時候我們在經濟委員會在總諮詢要不到資料進口好了之後完了之後我們要資料你告訴我們什麼檢方調查不便提供不便提供所以部長本期要請問喔是誰 |
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是誰跟吳裕飛簽成議價?是誰?請教部長是誰?這個您所指的應該是111年齁因為112年是有合約的那合約的簽署是根據合約的規範去執行那111年是用買斷的方式去處理對!誰簽的?整個的一個雞蛋的採購的過程是由續展會來處理的 |
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請問 |
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簽成議價確認之後要不要送回農業當時的農委會在執行面的話應該是不用只是在年度計畫在查的時候會去做查核他查核有沒有查到他裡面查核的部分是看他的單因為會計帳會計查帳有會計查帳的一個遊戲規定好會計查帳低價高報低價高報光光這樣子的低價高報 |
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元素的議題 浪費人民多少選案錢 |
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低價高報是一個非常嚴肅的問題但是是不是真的低價高報檢調單位正在調查特別是講到3到5月份跟後面9到12月份之間的價差有差異的部分一定也要考慮到當時市場的雞蛋的價格而定而不是說同一個價格所以這個部分我想檢調單位後續會做釐清特別是超市跟另外一家量產公司之間的一個貿易關係這個是我們行政調查是沒辦法介入的 |
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請教我們在行政調查的時候你明明白白說有這麼多的缺失那請教你們的究責最高層級到底是誰 |
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你們做了這麼長的行政調查你的究責單位你究責到誰請說明我想分兩個部分在112年的調查的過程裡面我們的當時的畜牧師的師長已經調離現職了 |
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人民那麼多的納稅錢 部長你去思考 |
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你去思考 行政調查有我們行政調查權如果這麼大的包只有這個處長調離現職你就稱如本席所說的 農業部 |
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要還民眾一個解釋跟一個道歉那這個你冷靜去思考出了那麼多的包花了那麼多的錢你要如何跟人民去交代這個是你的職責那我給你一個議題再給我一分鐘喔主席也就是灌水牛的問題本席非常的重視動保法 |
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那灌水牛的問題我們竟然防檢告訴媒體說只要把內臟拿出來就可以灌水有這回事嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
586.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
587.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
2012年10年前就告訴人民不可以如此作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
609.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
629.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
竟然我們政府部門說只要你內臟拿出來,你就可以灌水,食安問題怎麼辦?你怎麼可以詐欺消費者?這是嚴肅的議題,你的處罰怎麼處罰?不罰者竟然他的所得千億以上,千萬以上,你們只有動保法罰多少?你告訴我這最嚴厲的處罰,你只有罰3萬塊最低 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
636.089 |
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647.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
法案3萬塊最低這人民可以接受嗎政府部門公然的詐欺我們的消費者內臟拿出來就可以灌水我們的食安怎麼辦那個報紙這麼大一篇你們從來也沒有解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
658.303 |
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658.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
678.728 |
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680.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
的確有這樣的說法我一定會處理的 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2024-10-09T10:49:16.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2024-10-09T10:49:19.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席，楊瓊瓔發言，邀請部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2024-10-09T10:49:19.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2024-10-09T10:49:19.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請農業部陳部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2024-10-09T10:49:19.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2024-10-09T10:49:19.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2024-10-09T10:49:19.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-09T10:49:45.029333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2024-10-09T10:49:45.029333+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-10-09T10:50:10.586667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
首先本席要跟你討論，超思案偵辦中，我給你一個定調，農業部還欠人民一個解釋，所以本席要請教，超思案在監委的糾正當中，大家都覺得很奇怪的，一個50萬的小公司它可以處理上千萬、上億的標案，甚至在雞蛋的專案進口上，畜產會對於整個貿易商的資格、驗收、作業、履約情況、經費的核銷跟雞蛋銷毀，通通都出包，其中邏輯更奇怪的，竟然還有空白的單據讓廠商自填請款。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.02 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2024-10-09T10:50:10.586667+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2024-10-09T10:50:36.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
部長，你認為坊間到目前為止對於這些現象，你們的行政調查到目前為止，可以給人民怎樣的說明嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.049 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2024-10-09T10:50:36.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2024-10-09T10:51:06.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
我跟委員說明，就是超思的案子，監察院已經做了調查，然後也針對農業部提出5項糾正，還有一些應該改善的作為，我們絕對尊重監察院或是審計部的調查結果，我們也針對這個糾正的報告其中牽涉到很多行政上的疏失，特別是在採購過程中的行政疏失的部分，我們也要求畜產會重新去建立一個SOP。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.904 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2024-10-09T10:51:06.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2024-10-09T10:51:20.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
好，你還好，有知有覺，所以我們繼續來討論，監察院、審計單位都認為有疏失，你們自己也認為有很多的缺失？是。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2024-10-09T10:51:20.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2024-10-09T10:51:29.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
除了請他們改善並移請司法單位之外，本席還要具體跟你討論你的行政調查。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2024-10-09T10:51:31.239000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2024-10-09T10:51:56.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
到目前為止，在之前還沒有報出來的時候，你們還一直為它「掛保證」，說它是有實績的，甚至在你的Q＆A的專區裡頭，你都還一直說它是很好的，到今天本席上你的網站看還是如此，你認為你這個網站要不要調整？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.884 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2024-10-09T10:51:58.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2024-10-09T10:51:58.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
請做說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2024-10-09T10:51:58.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2024-10-09T10:51:59.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
好，我跟委員說明…… |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2024-10-09T10:51:59.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2024-10-09T10:52:05.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
已經有那麼多缺失，你仍舊在為它解釋，到底這是為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2024-10-09T10:52:05.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2024-10-09T10:52:11.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
我跟委員說明，在檢調單位啟動調查的時候，我們會尊重檢調單位調查的結果，這是第一點。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-10-09T10:52:11.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-10-09T10:52:30.163000+08:00 |
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第二點就是，專案進口是在112年，那有一些是在111年發生的，所以在112年的時候，我們說超思有實績，指的是它在111年有實績的部分，所以它在兩個……哇！ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.768 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-10-09T10:52:30.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2024-10-09T10:52:31.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
部長，你這麼說真的令我譁然。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-10-09T10:52:32.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2024-10-09T10:52:33.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
我繼續跟你討論，111年8月份雙方簽署了履約情形確認書，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-10-09T10:52:45.509000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2024-10-09T10:52:47.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
超思在什麼時候成立？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2024-10-09T10:52:49.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2024-10-09T10:52:54.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
111年的9月5號成立，它在未成立以前就可以去簽這個確認書，這怎麼回事？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-10-09T10:52:54.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-10-09T10:53:06.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
到目前為止，你的網站還為它在說話，這怎麼回事？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-10-09T10:53:06.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-10-09T10:53:08.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
我跟委員說明…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-10-09T10:53:08.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-10-09T10:53:08.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
這怎麼回事？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-10-09T10:53:08.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-10-09T10:53:09.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
第一個就是，我回去會請我們的同仁重新檢視我們在網站公布…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-10-09T10:53:09.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-10-09T10:53:09.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
太離譜了！ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-10-09T10:53:09.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-10-09T10:53:10.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
這個部分如果說…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-10-09T10:53:09.599000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-10-09T10:53:11.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
我插斷你的話。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-10-09T10:53:11.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-10-09T10:53:16.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
你今天出了這麼大的包，審計單位、監察院、司法都在調查，到目前為止，你的網站Q＆A專區還是如此，太離譜了！ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-10-09T10:53:33.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2024-10-09T10:53:35.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
還沒有成立之前就可以簽確認書，離譜至極。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2024-10-09T10:53:38.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2024-10-09T10:53:39.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
接下來本席再問你，你說要去檢討，有問題趕快撤，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.391 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2024-10-09T10:53:39.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2024-10-09T10:53:40.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
針對檢調單位有釐清確定是不對的地方，我們一定會撤，那檢調單位還在釐清的部分，因為釐清的部分跟我們畜產會所提供的…… |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-10-09T10:53:40.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2024-10-09T10:53:41.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
你趕快去看…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2024-10-09T10:53:41.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2024-10-09T10:53:42.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
我了解，我會去。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-10-09T10:53:42.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-10-09T10:53:43.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
認為不妥趕快撤，好不好？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-10-09T10:53:39.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-10-09T10:54:06.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
一個政府還在為有問題的「掛保證」，這個讓人家覺得很奇怪，而且司法調查已經這麼長的時間，我們的監察院都已經告訴你，你也認為是有問題，你到現在還讓它很清楚地掛在那裡，農業部替它「掛保證」，難怪無法無天。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.874 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-10-09T10:54:06.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-10-09T10:54:07.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我跟委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-10-09T10:54:06.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-10-09T10:54:07.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
你趕快去查，有問題趕快撤，你的原則是不是如此？是。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-10-09T10:54:07.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-10-09T10:54:53.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
接下來我要再跟你討論，總質詢的時候卓院長說了，有違法失職絕對嚴辦，你們也說很早就啟動行政調查，請問，在專案進口的時候，我們在經濟委員會、在總質詢時都要不到資料，進口完之後，我們要資料，你告訴我們什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-10-09T10:54:53.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-10-09T10:54:55.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
檢方調查不便提供。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-10-09T10:54:57.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:07.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
所以部長，本席要請問，是誰跟吳諭非簽呈議價，是誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:07.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:10.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
請教部長，是誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:10.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:23.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
您所指的應該是111年，因為112年是有合約的，合約的簽署是根據合約的規範去執行，那111年是用買斷的方式去處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:24.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:24.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
誰簽的？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:24.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:25.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
誰簽的？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:25.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:27.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
整個雞蛋的採購過程是由畜產會來處理的。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:27.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:28.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
你們農業部是扮演什麼角色？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:28.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:29.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我們扮演的是督導。督導？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:29.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:30.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
他議好之後，你知不知道價格？我想…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:30.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:31.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
你知不知道價格？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:31.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:32.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我個人是不知道，但是…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:32.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:33.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
農委會當時知不知道？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:33.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:34.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
你們政府部門的立場是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:34.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:35.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
花了人民那麼多的納稅錢，出了這麼大的包，你們的決策到底是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:35.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-10-09T10:55:36.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
我想農業部的立場就是針對整個政策的推動上面，後來是由畜產會…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-10-09T10:55:31.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2024-10-09T10:56:06.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
請問，簽呈議價確認之後，要不要送回當時的農委會？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-10-09T10:56:06.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-10-09T10:56:11.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
在執行面的話應該是不用，只是年度計畫在查核的時候會去做查核，但是它裡面…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2024-10-09T10:56:12.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2024-10-09T10:56:12.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
那查核有沒有查到？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2024-10-09T10:56:14.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2024-10-09T10:56:18.063000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
查核的部分是看它的單……因為會計查帳有會計查帳的遊戲規則。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-10-09T10:56:18.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2024-10-09T10:56:19.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
好，會計查帳發現低價高報，光是這樣子的低價高報…… |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2024-10-09T10:56:19.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2024-10-09T10:56:32.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
我跟委員說…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2024-10-09T10:56:32.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-10-09T10:56:34.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
這是嚴肅的議題，浪費人民多少血汗錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-10-09T10:56:35.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2024-10-09T10:57:04.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
低價高報是一個非常嚴肅的問題，但是不是真的低價高報，檢調單位正在調查，特別是講到3到5月份跟後面9到12月份之間的價差有差異的部分，也要考慮到當時市場的雞蛋價格而定，而不是說統一的價格，所以這個部分我想檢調單位後續會做釐清，特別是超思跟另外一家亮采公司之間的貿易關係，這部分我們行政調查是沒辦法介入的。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-10-09T10:57:07.405000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-10-09T10:57:19.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
我們在行政調查的時候，你明明白白說有這麼多的缺失，請教你們究責的最高層級到底是誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-10-09T10:57:20.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2024-10-09T10:57:26.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
你們做了這麼長的行政調查，你的究責單位，你究責到誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-10-09T10:57:26.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2024-10-09T10:57:26.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
請說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-10-09T10:57:27.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2024-10-09T10:57:34.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
我想分兩個部分，在112年調查的過程中，我們當時的畜牧司司長已經調離現職了，然後…… |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-10-09T10:57:34.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-10-09T10:57:35.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
什麼司長調離現職？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-10-09T10:57:35.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2024-10-09T10:57:36.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
我們畜牧司的司長。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-10-09T10:57:36.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-10-09T10:57:37.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
然後在111年的部分，因為現在檢調單位正在釐清…… |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-10-09T10:57:37.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-10-09T10:57:38.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
所以你到目前為止，行政調查就是司長調離職務位置，是嗎？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-10-09T10:57:38.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-10-09T10:57:39.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
到目前為止，只有如此？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-10-09T10:57:39.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2024-10-09T10:57:40.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
人民那麼多的納稅錢…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-10-09T10:57:40.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2024-10-09T10:57:41.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-10-09T10:57:36.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2024-10-09T10:58:19.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
人民那麼多的納稅錢，部長，你去思考，請你去思考，行政調查有我們的行政調查權，如果出這麼大的包，只有司長調離現職，就誠如本席所說的，農業部要還給民眾一個解釋跟一個道歉。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-10-09T10:58:19.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2024-10-09T10:58:21.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
好，謝謝楊委員，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-10-09T10:58:21.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-10-09T10:58:29.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
這部分你冷靜去思考，出了那麼多的包，花了那麼多的錢，你要如何去跟人民交代？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-10-09T10:58:30.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2024-10-09T10:58:31.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
這個是你的職責。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-10-09T10:58:31.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-10-09T10:58:32.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
請再給我1分鐘，主席。再30秒。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.083 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2024-10-09T10:58:32.343000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2024-10-09T10:58:53.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
我再給你一個議題，也就是灌水牛的問題，本席非常重視動保法，針對灌水牛的問題，我們的防檢署竟然告訴媒體，只要把內臟拿出來就可以灌水，有這回事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2024-10-09T10:58:53.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2024-10-09T10:58:54.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
有這回事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2024-10-09T10:58:54.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2024-10-09T10:58:55.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
我不知道屠檢員當時怎麼講，但是灌水牛是不人道而且違反動物福利的……對！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2024-10-09T10:58:55.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2024-10-09T10:58:56.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
我覺得這個應該要特別去重視，所以我也要求後續我們屠宰場的監控不能是事後再去看，事後看可能已經過一段時間了，所以我…… |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2024-10-09T10:58:54.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2024-10-09T10:59:23.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
在2012年，10年前就告訴人民不可以如此作為，竟然我們的政府部門說，只要你內臟拿出來就可以灌水，食安問題怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2024-10-09T10:59:23.322000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2024-10-09T10:59:25.103000+08:00 |
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你怎麼可以詐欺消費者！ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2024-10-09T10:59:25.804000+08:00 |
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2024-10-09T10:59:29.346000+08:00 |
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這是嚴肅的議題，你要怎麼處罰？ |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2024-10-09T10:59:29.346000+08:00 |
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2024-10-09T10:59:36.671000+08:00 |
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不法者的所得千萬以上，你們動保法只有罰多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2024-10-09T10:59:36.671000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-10-09T10:59:37.671000+08:00 |
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根據我們的動保法是3萬到15萬的罰則。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2024-10-09T10:59:36.791000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2024-10-09T10:59:37.491000+08:00 |
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你告訴我要給予最嚴厲的處罰，結果你只有罰最低的3萬塊，罰3萬塊最低！ |
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0.621 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2024-10-09T10:59:37.491000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-09T10:59:46.130000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2024-10-09T10:59:46.130000+08:00 |
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2024-10-09T10:59:48.612000+08:00 |
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這樣人民可以接受嗎？好。謝謝。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2024-10-09T10:59:48.612000+08:00 |
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2024-10-09T10:59:54.075000+08:00 |
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政府部門公然的詐欺我們的消費者，內臟拿出來就可以灌水！ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2024-10-09T10:59:54.816000+08:00 |
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2024-10-09T10:59:55.576000+08:00 |
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我們的食安怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2024-10-09T10:59:55.576000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2024-10-09T10:59:56.576000+08:00 |
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我想我們屠檢員絕對不會講內臟拿出來就可以灌水，屠檢員絕對不會這樣講。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2024-10-09T10:59:56.576000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-09T10:59:57.576000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。哇！ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2024-10-09T10:59:55.596000+08:00 |
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2024-10-09T10:59:55.936000+08:00 |
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報紙這麼大一篇，你們從來也沒有解釋！ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2024-10-09T10:59:55.936000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-10-09T11:00:01.068000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝楊委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2024-10-09T11:00:01.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-09T11:00:06.200000+08:00 |
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我也歡喜聽到部長你說不可以如此，就是不可以如此！ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2024-10-09T11:00:06.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-09T11:00:11.332000+08:00 |
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食安不容許，也不容許政府做詐欺的行為！ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2024-10-09T11:00:11.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2024-10-09T11:00:16.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
什麼內臟拿出來就可以灌水，怎麼可以如此？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2024-10-09T11:00:16.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2024-10-09T11:00:21.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
部長，你去查清楚，好不好？瞭解。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2024-10-09T11:00:21.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-09T11:00:26.728000+08:00 |
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你去查清楚，如果有這樣的說法，一定要嚴懲，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2024-10-09T11:00:26.728000+08:00 |
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2024-10-09T11:00:28.049000+08:00 |
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如果的確有這樣的說法，我一定會處理的。好！ |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2024-10-09T11:00:28.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-09T11:00:32.834714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
你把處理的結果告知給本席，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2024-10-09T11:00:33.134714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2024-10-09T11:00:35.706143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
我們一起維護食安。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2024-10-09T11:00:36.006143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
1 |
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2024-10-09T11:00:39.434714+08:00 |
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不可以詐欺人民，好嗎？是。謝謝。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2024-10-09T11:00:39.734714+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-10-09T11:00:43.449000+08:00 |
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也一份給我，一份給陳超明委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2024-10-09T11:00:43.749000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-10-09T11:00:45.749000+08:00 |
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謝謝楊瓊瓔委員。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2024-10-09T11:00:46.049000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-10-09T11:00:49.191857+08:00 |
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下一位質詢請陳超明委員。 |
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0 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:49:08 - 11:00:36 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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楊委員瓊瓔：（10時49分）謝謝主席，楊瓊瓔發言，邀請部長。 |
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主席：請農業部陳部長。 |
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陳部長駿季：委員好。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：部長好。首先本席要跟你討論，超思案偵辦中，我給你一個定調，農業部還欠人民一個解釋，所以本席要請教，超思案在監委的糾正當中，大家都覺得很奇怪的，一個50萬的小公司它可以處理上千萬、上億的標案，甚至在雞蛋的專案進口上，畜產會對於整個貿易商的資格、驗收、作業、履約情況、經費的核銷跟雞蛋銷毀，通通都出包，其中邏輯更奇怪的，竟然還有空白的單據讓廠商自填請款。部長，你認為坊間到目前為止對於這些現象，你們的行政調查到目前為止，可以給人民怎樣的說明嗎？ |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員說明，就是超思的案子，監察院已經做了調查，然後也針對農業部提出5項糾正，還有一些應該改善的作為，我們絕對尊重監察院或是審計部的調查結果，我們也針對這個糾正的報告其中牽涉到很多行政上的疏失，特別是在採購過程中的行政疏失的部分，我們也要求畜產會重新去建立一個SOP。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，你還好，有知有覺，所以我們繼續來討論，監察院、審計單位都認為有疏失，你們自己也認為有很多的缺失？ |
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陳部長駿季：是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好。除了請他們改善並移請司法單位之外，本席還要具體跟你討論你的行政調查。到目前為止，在之前還沒有報出來的時候，你們還一直為它「掛保證」，說它是有實績的，甚至在你的Q＆A的專區裡頭，你都還一直說它是很好的，到今天本席上你的網站看還是如此，你認為你這個網站要不要調整？請做說明。 |
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陳部長駿季：好，我跟委員說明…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：已經有那麼多缺失，你仍舊在為它解釋，到底這是為什麼？ |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員說明，在檢調單位啟動調查的時候，我們會尊重檢調單位調查的結果，這是第一點。第二點就是，專案進口是在112年，那有一些是在111年發生的，所以在112年的時候，我們說超思有實績，指的是它在111年有實績的部分，所以它在兩個…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：哇！部長，你這麼說真的令我譁然。我繼續跟你討論，111年8月份雙方簽署了履約情形確認書，對不對？超思在什麼時候成立？111年的9月5號成立，它在未成立以前就可以去簽這個確認書，這怎麼回事？到目前為止，你的網站還為它在說話，這怎麼回事？ |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員說明…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：這怎麼回事？ |
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陳部長駿季：第一個就是，我回去會請我們的同仁重新檢視我們在網站公布…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：太離譜了！ |
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陳部長駿季：這個部分如果說…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我插斷你的話。你今天出了這麼大的包，審計單位、監察院、司法都在調查，到目前為止，你的網站Q＆A專區還是如此，太離譜了！還沒有成立之前就可以簽確認書，離譜至極。接下來本席再問你，你說要去檢討，有問題趕快撤，好不好？ |
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陳部長駿季：針對檢調單位有釐清確定是不對的地方，我們一定會撤，那檢調單位還在釐清的部分，因為釐清的部分跟我們畜產會所提供的…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你趕快去看…… |
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陳部長駿季：我了解，我會去。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：認為不妥趕快撤，好不好？ |
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陳部長駿季：是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：一個政府還在為有問題的「掛保證」，這個讓人家覺得很奇怪，而且司法調查已經這麼長的時間，我們的監察院都已經告訴你，你也認為是有問題，你到現在還讓它很清楚地掛在那裡，農業部替它「掛保證」，難怪無法無天。 |
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陳部長駿季：我跟委員…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你趕快去查，有問題趕快撤，你的原則是不是如此？ |
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陳部長駿季：是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好。接下來我要再跟你討論，總質詢的時候卓院長說了，有違法失職絕對嚴辦，你們也說很早就啟動行政調查，請問，在專案進口的時候，我們在經濟委員會、在總質詢時都要不到資料，進口完之後，我們要資料，你告訴我們什麼？檢方調查不便提供。所以部長，本席要請問，是誰跟吳諭非簽呈議價，是誰？請教部長，是誰？ |
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陳部長駿季：您所指的應該是111年，因為112年是有合約的，合約的簽署是根據合約的規範去執行，那111年是用買斷的方式去處理。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：誰簽的？對。誰簽的？ |
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陳部長駿季：整個雞蛋的採購過程是由畜產會來處理的。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你們農業部是扮演什麼角色？ |
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陳部長駿季：我們扮演的是督導。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：督導？他議好之後，你知不知道價格？ |
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陳部長駿季：我想…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你知不知道價格？ |
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陳部長駿季：我個人是不知道，但是…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：農委會當時知不知道？你們政府部門的立場是什麼？花了人民那麼多的納稅錢，出了這麼大的包，你們的決策到底是什麼？ |
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陳部長駿季：我想農業部的立場就是針對整個政策的推動上面，後來是由畜產會…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：請問，簽呈議價確認之後，要不要送回當時的農委會？ |
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陳部長駿季：在執行面的話應該是不用，只是年度計畫在查核的時候會去做查核，但是它裡面…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：那查核有沒有查到？ |
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陳部長駿季：查核的部分是看它的單……因為會計查帳有會計查帳的遊戲規則。 |
| gazette.blocks[43][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：好，會計查帳發現低價高報，光是這樣子的低價高報…… |
| gazette.blocks[44][0] |
陳部長駿季：我跟委員說…… |
| gazette.blocks[45][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：這是嚴肅的議題，浪費人民多少血汗錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[46][0] |
陳部長駿季：低價高報是一個非常嚴肅的問題，但是不是真的低價高報，檢調單位正在調查，特別是講到3到5月份跟後面9到12月份之間的價差有差異的部分，也要考慮到當時市場的雞蛋價格而定，而不是說統一的價格，所以這個部分我想檢調單位後續會做釐清，特別是超思跟另外一家亮采公司之間的貿易關係，這部分我們行政調查是沒辦法介入的。 |
| gazette.blocks[47][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：我們在行政調查的時候，你明明白白說有這麼多的缺失，請教你們究責的最高層級到底是誰？你們做了這麼長的行政調查，你的究責單位，你究責到誰？請說明。 |
| gazette.blocks[48][0] |
陳部長駿季：我想分兩個部分，在112年調查的過程中，我們當時的畜牧司司長已經調離現職了，然後…… |
| gazette.blocks[49][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：什麼司長調離現職？ |
| gazette.blocks[50][0] |
陳部長駿季：我們畜牧司的司長。然後在111年的部分，因為現在檢調單位正在釐清…… |
| gazette.blocks[51][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：所以你到目前為止，行政調查就是司長調離職務位置，是嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[52][0] |
陳部長駿季：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[53][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：到目前為止，只有如此？ |
| gazette.blocks[54][0] |
陳部長駿季：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[55][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：人民那麼多的納稅錢…… |
| gazette.blocks[56][0] |
主席：好，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[57][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：人民那麼多的納稅錢，部長，你去思考，請你去思考，行政調查有我們的行政調查權，如果出這麼大的包，只有司長調離現職，就誠如本席所說的，農業部要還給民眾一個解釋跟一個道歉。 |
| gazette.blocks[58][0] |
主席：好，謝謝楊委員，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[59][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：這部分你冷靜去思考，出了那麼多的包，花了那麼多的錢，你要如何去跟人民交代？這個是你的職責。 |
| gazette.blocks[59][1] |
請再給我1分鐘，主席。 |
| gazette.blocks[60][0] |
主席：再30秒。 |
| gazette.blocks[61][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：謝謝。我再給你一個議題，也就是灌水牛的問題，本席非常重視動保法，針對灌水牛的問題，我們的防檢署竟然告訴媒體，只要把內臟拿出來就可以灌水，有這回事嗎？有這回事嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[62][0] |
陳部長駿季：我不知道屠檢員當時怎麼講，但是灌水牛是不人道而且違反動物福利的…… |
| gazette.blocks[63][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：對！ |
| gazette.blocks[64][0] |
陳部長駿季：我覺得這個應該要特別去重視，所以我也要求後續我們屠宰場的監控不能是事後再去看，事後看可能已經過一段時間了，所以我…… |
| gazette.blocks[65][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：在2012年，10年前就告訴人民不可以如此作為，竟然我們的政府部門說，只要你內臟拿出來就可以灌水，食安問題怎麼辦？你怎麼可以詐欺消費者！這是嚴肅的議題，你要怎麼處罰？不法者的所得千萬以上，你們動保法只有罰多少？ |
| gazette.blocks[66][0] |
陳部長駿季：根據我們的動保法是3萬到15萬的罰則。 |
| gazette.blocks[67][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：你告訴我要給予最嚴厲的處罰，結果你只有罰最低的3萬塊，罰3萬塊最低！ |
| gazette.blocks[68][0] |
主席：好，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[69][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：這樣人民可以接受嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[70][0] |
主席：好。謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[71][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：政府部門公然的詐欺我們的消費者，內臟拿出來就可以灌水！我們的食安怎麼辦？ |
| gazette.blocks[72][0] |
陳部長駿季：我想我們屠檢員絕對不會講內臟拿出來就可以灌水，屠檢員絕對不會這樣講。 |
| gazette.blocks[73][0] |
主席：好，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[74][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：哇！報紙這麼大一篇，你們從來也沒有解釋！ |
| gazette.blocks[75][0] |
主席：好，謝謝楊委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[76][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：我也歡喜聽到部長你說不可以如此，就是不可以如此！食安不容許，也不容許政府做詐欺的行為！什麼內臟拿出來就可以灌水，怎麼可以如此？部長，你去查清楚，好不好？ |
| gazette.blocks[77][0] |
陳部長駿季：瞭解。 |
| gazette.blocks[78][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：你去查清楚，如果有這樣的說法，一定要嚴懲，好不好？ |
| gazette.blocks[79][0] |
陳部長駿季：如果的確有這樣的說法，我一定會處理的。 |
| gazette.blocks[80][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：好！你把處理的結果告知給本席，好不好？我們一起維護食安。 |
| gazette.blocks[81][0] |
陳部長駿季：好。 |
| gazette.blocks[82][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：不可以詐欺人民，好嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[83][0] |
陳部長駿季：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[84][0] |
楊委員瓊瓔：謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[85][0] |
主席：也一份給我，一份給陳超明委員。謝謝楊瓊瓔委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[85][1] |
下一位質詢請陳超明委員。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
294 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-19-4 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林岱樺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
邱議瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
呂玉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
陳亭妃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
王育敏 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
徐富癸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
麥玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
張雅琳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[23] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[24] |
劉建國 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
229 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-10-09 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1138101 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1138101_00010 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1138101_00015 |