| IVOD_ID |
154653 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154653 |
| 日期 |
2024-07-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-22-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-07-10T11:53:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-07-10T12:00:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1b498260953197f843a7f4ee123dbd6cca0ece664f026f7b2ae364a75fc92565504fb69bf61eef5a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:53:32 - 12:00:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-07-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員蘇清泉等26人擬具「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案」案。
四、審查委員羅智強等21人擬具「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案」案。
五、審查委員翁曉玲等19人擬具「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案」案。
(進行詢答及逐條審查)） |
| gazette.lineno |
713 |
| gazette.blocks[0][0] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時53分）主席、各位委員。有請主委。 |
| gazette.blocks[1][0] |
主席：我們請主委，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[2][0] |
陳主任委員東陽：鄭委員好。 |
| gazette.blocks[3][0] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：主委好。完全正確！這個重責大任就在你主委的身上、核安會的身上，包括台電負責核電廠的人身上，專業，我們絕對要專業！今天這個法律如果修正通過，是不是馬上就延役？還是要經過台電的審慎評估、各種專業，加上你的專業和同意，才可以延役，對不對？好，就是要專業！我們就是要專業！ |
| gazette.blocks[3][1] |
我們看核子反應器設施管制辦法第六條，最長40年，好，最長40年，對不對？我們現在核一、核二、核三都幾年了？ |
| gazette.blocks[4][0] |
陳主任委員東陽：核三將近40年，核一、核二都超過40年。 |
| gazette.blocks[5][0] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，超過了，對不對？剛才講的，尤其是洪申翰剛才講的，都知道了，都已經知道有地震帶了，都知道了，對不對？也都知道核廢料沒地方放啊！也都知道了，對不對？你後面都有寫啊──近滿貯，沒地方放了。所以你今天的報告結論是什麼？目前國內大眾對於核電廠延役仍存有不同意見，特別是針對核能安全、核廢料處理、社會共識等議題，需審慎評估，充分討論溝通。核安會作為我國獨立的核能安全管制機關，與國際核能先進國家的管制機關一樣，本於職責與專業為民眾把關，並從核能安全管制實務觀點提供專業意見。前面這句話就核安會來講，前面這一段不用寫，你只能寫後面這一段，你要本於獨立的核能安全管制機關，與國際核能先進國家的管制機關一樣，本於職責以專業來把關。今天很清楚的，現在不是說核一、核二、核三，都知道了，都已經40年了，有的將近40年了、有的超過40年了，對不對？到底還能不能用？還可不可以延役？這個法，今天的修法不管有沒有修、有沒有提案，你們之前就應該審慎的、專業的去看、去評估，它已經存在40年了，都知道啦！今天就應該專業的說可還是不可。可不可以再延？還是不可以再延？照理應該是這樣啊！專業就是如此啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[6][0] |
陳主任委員東陽：鄭委員，我跟你報告，可不可以延，必須台電就相關的…… |
| gazette.blocks[7][0] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：主委，我剛才聽過你的說法了。 |
| gazette.blocks[8][0] |
陳主任委員東陽：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[9][0] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：台電要先去…… |
| gazette.blocks[10][0] |
陳主任委員東陽：檢視。 |
| gazette.blocks[11][0] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：檢視，然後再送到你這邊。 |
| gazette.blocks[12][0] |
陳主任委員東陽：然後它如果認為某些元件需要更換，它必須去確保這個安全性，然後提出一個報告，這個報告我們有相關的法規，主要是整體性老化評估、老化管理、時限老化分析、運轉執照增修條例等等，它大概有多少呢？光是目錄，兩面，大概就有6頁，整個報告大概是這麼多，台電如果沒有去檢視，就像我們人，身體健康如果沒去檢查，那我們怎麼確定它是不是符合安全？ |
| gazette.blocks[13][0] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：主委，我剛才都聽過你的說法了，我認為，因為我們臺灣這個國家現在已經有兩種聲音，包括賴總統要成立委員會，然後要請童子賢當副召集人，又要請李遠哲當顧問，不管怎麼樣，都是要回到你的專業，跟台電負責核電廠的專業，評估可還是不可，因為它已經40年啦，都應該知道，不是現在才去檢核啦！也不是這個法通過之後再去評估，不對！現在就要做，如果還沒有，不然的話，你就跟大家講、跟立法院說，等我跟台電好好的、再次的去檢視、評估，再說行還是不行！你也可以這樣回答，你的書面報告也可以這樣。包括什麼呢？我把話講完，包括原住民最重視的，包括核廢料的貯存，可不可以在現有的地方再貯存？還有沒有空間？當然要弄到蘭嶼是不可能啦！我們也不會接受啦！你要弄到哪裡，大家都不會接受啦！所以唯一的途徑，現在屏東他們希望能夠繼續延役，對不對？那你問他們啊！可不可以在這邊蓋貯存場？因為沒有啦！沒有了，可不可以蓋啊？這個都要雙管齊下，對不對？ |
| gazette.blocks[14][0] |
陳主任委員東陽：解釋一下，最後半分鐘。我的報告第6頁，有畫底線的地方，其實我有說明…… |
| gazette.blocks[15][0] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：有啊！我有看。 |
| gazette.blocks[16][0] |
陳主任委員東陽：我們重要的部分其實都有underline，跟委員說明，請委員瞭解。 |
| gazette.blocks[17][0] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：重點是它已經40年了，現在就要去做好處理。 |
| gazette.blocks[18][0] |
主席：謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[18][1] |
接下來我們請鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[18][2] |
何欣純委員、何欣純委員、何欣純委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[18][3] |
羅智強委員。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
98 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-1-22-21 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
柯志恩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
翁曉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
萬美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
林宜瑾 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
葛如鈞 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
陳秀寳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
郭昱晴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
張雅琳 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
范雲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
羅廷瑋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
陳培瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
吳沛憶 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
洪申翰 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
吳春城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
邱鎮軍 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
45 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-07-10 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1137301 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1137301_00003 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、審查委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案」案；二、審查委
員邱鎮軍等22人擬具「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案」案；三、審查委員蘇清泉等
26人擬具「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案」案；四、審查委員羅智強等21人擬具
「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案」案；五、審查委員翁曉玲等19人擬具「核子反應
器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案」案 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1137301_00002 |
| transcript.pyannote[0].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[0].start |
11.75909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[0].end |
15.45471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[1].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[1].start |
15.87659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[1].end |
17.15909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[2].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[2].start |
21.37784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[2].end |
22.03596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[3].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[3].start |
23.04846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[3].end |
24.21284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[4].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[4].start |
25.57971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[4].end |
26.82846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[5].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[5].start |
27.77346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[5].end |
29.95034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[6].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[6].start |
30.42284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[6].end |
32.93721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[7].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[7].start |
33.56159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[7].end |
34.33784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[8].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[8].start |
34.75971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[8].end |
35.51909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[9].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[9].start |
36.16034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[9].end |
38.77596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[10].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[10].start |
39.13034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[10].end |
40.93596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[11].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[11].start |
41.40846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[11].end |
42.75846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[12].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[12].start |
44.37846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[12].end |
45.84659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[13].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[13].start |
46.18409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[13].end |
47.97284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[14].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[14].start |
49.30596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[14].end |
50.84159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[15].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[15].start |
51.39846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[15].end |
52.51221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[16].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[16].start |
53.37284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[16].end |
55.24596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[17].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[17].start |
55.34721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[17].end |
56.91659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[18].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[18].start |
57.43971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[18].end |
58.21596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[19].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[19].start |
59.27909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[19].end |
60.07221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[20].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[20].start |
61.13534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[20].end |
63.44721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[21].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[21].start |
64.20659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[21].end |
67.00784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[22].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[22].start |
67.88534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[22].end |
68.83034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[23].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[23].start |
69.60659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[23].end |
72.52596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[24].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[24].start |
73.47096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[24].end |
74.68596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[25].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[25].start |
75.24284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[25].end |
77.23409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[26].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[26].start |
77.95971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[26].end |
80.62596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[27].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[27].start |
81.46971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[27].end |
85.13159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[28].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[28].start |
85.63784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[28].end |
86.07659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[29].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[29].start |
87.05534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[29].end |
89.83971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[30].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[30].start |
91.00409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[30].end |
91.66221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[31].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[31].start |
93.01221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[31].end |
95.17221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[32].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[32].start |
96.37034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[32].end |
96.77534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[33].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[33].start |
97.53471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[33].end |
98.31096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[34].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[34].start |
99.34034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[34].end |
100.72409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[35].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[35].start |
101.01096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[35].end |
102.22596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[36].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[36].start |
102.69846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[36].end |
103.39034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[37].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[37].start |
103.89659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[37].end |
104.75721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[38].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[38].start |
105.17909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[38].end |
105.56721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[39].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[39].start |
105.87096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[39].end |
107.17034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[40].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[40].start |
107.89596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[40].end |
108.57096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[41].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[41].start |
109.65096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[41].end |
110.35971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[42].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[42].start |
111.62534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[42].end |
112.95846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[43].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[43].start |
113.95409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[43].end |
115.05096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[44].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[44].start |
116.08034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[44].end |
146.32034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[45].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[45].start |
147.43409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[45].end |
149.27346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[46].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[46].start |
149.94846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[46].end |
151.39971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[47].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[47].start |
151.88909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[47].end |
153.49221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[48].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[48].start |
153.84659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[48].end |
155.83784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[49].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[49].start |
157.37346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[49].end |
158.57159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[50].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[50].start |
158.90909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[50].end |
161.89596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[51].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[51].start |
162.53721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[51].end |
166.31721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[52].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[52].start |
167.21159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[52].end |
168.84846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[53].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[53].start |
170.63721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[53].end |
171.46409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[54].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[54].start |
173.45534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[54].end |
174.92346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[55].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[55].start |
175.83471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[55].end |
177.92721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[56].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[56].start |
178.31534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[56].end |
179.81721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[57].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[57].start |
180.18846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[57].end |
182.26409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[58].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[58].start |
182.65221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[58].end |
184.89659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[59].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[59].start |
186.41534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[59].end |
186.82034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[60].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[60].start |
187.34346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[60].end |
188.89596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[61].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[61].start |
189.82409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[61].end |
191.08971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[62].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[62].start |
193.51971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[62].end |
196.62471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[63].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[63].start |
198.07596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[63].end |
203.18909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[64].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[64].start |
203.56034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[64].end |
206.29409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[65].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[65].start |
207.32346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[65].end |
209.58471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[66].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[66].start |
211.66034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[66].end |
212.77409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[67].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[67].start |
212.95971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[67].end |
214.05659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[68].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[68].start |
214.54596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[68].end |
215.69346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[69].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[69].start |
216.67221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[69].end |
217.66784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[70].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[70].start |
218.84909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[70].end |
219.99659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[71].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[71].start |
220.99221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[71].end |
222.13971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[72].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[72].start |
223.13534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[72].end |
224.31659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[73].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[73].start |
224.31659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[73].end |
224.35034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[74].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[74].start |
225.81846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[74].end |
225.83534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[75].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[75].start |
225.83534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[75].end |
227.30346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[76].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[76].start |
227.82659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[76].end |
228.26534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[77].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[77].start |
228.85596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[77].end |
233.56409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[78].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[78].start |
232.55159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[78].end |
242.96346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[79].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[79].start |
242.96346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[79].end |
263.07846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[80].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[80].start |
245.76471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[80].end |
245.91659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[81].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[81].start |
263.48346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[81].end |
265.10346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[82].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[82].start |
265.72784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[82].end |
279.02534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[83].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[83].start |
279.34596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[83].end |
281.25284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[84].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[84].start |
279.39659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[84].end |
283.34534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[85].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[85].start |
283.81784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[85].end |
284.89784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[86].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[86].start |
285.97784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[86].end |
286.65284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[87].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[87].start |
287.96909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[87].end |
288.69471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[88].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[88].start |
289.38659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[88].end |
290.36534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[89].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[89].start |
290.97284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[89].end |
294.36471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[90].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[90].start |
294.93846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[90].end |
295.64721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[91].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[91].start |
296.50784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[91].end |
296.94659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[92].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[92].start |
297.35159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[92].end |
299.35971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[93].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[93].start |
300.23721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[93].end |
301.26659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[94].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[94].start |
301.60409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[94].end |
304.54034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[95].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[95].start |
304.81034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[95].end |
307.32471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[96].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[96].start |
308.38784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[96].end |
310.78409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[97].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[97].start |
310.98659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[97].end |
311.99909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[98].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[98].start |
312.52221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[98].end |
314.36159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[99].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[99].start |
315.61034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[99].end |
316.77471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[100].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[100].start |
317.70284375 |
| transcript.pyannote[100].end |
319.18784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[101].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[101].start |
319.99784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[101].end |
326.41034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[102].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[102].start |
327.50721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[102].end |
328.11471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[103].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[103].start |
328.75596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[103].end |
330.03846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[104].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[104].start |
330.51096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[104].end |
333.48096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[105].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[105].start |
334.07159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[105].end |
335.13471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[106].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[106].start |
335.74221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[106].end |
337.31159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[107].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[107].start |
337.93596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[107].end |
340.95659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[108].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[108].start |
341.31096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[108].end |
342.25596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[109].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[109].start |
342.94784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[109].end |
343.72409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[110].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[110].start |
345.14159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[110].end |
351.21659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[111].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[111].start |
351.80721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[111].end |
354.13596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[112].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[112].start |
355.19909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[112].end |
356.95409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[113].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[113].start |
357.30846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[113].end |
358.23659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[114].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[114].start |
359.99159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[114].end |
360.44721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[115].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[115].start |
360.91971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[115].end |
362.33721875 |
| transcript.pyannote[116].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[116].start |
363.09659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[116].end |
367.14659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[117].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[117].start |
367.61909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[117].end |
368.69909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[118].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[118].start |
369.96471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[118].end |
376.46159375 |
| transcript.pyannote[119].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[119].start |
376.78221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[119].end |
378.21659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[120].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[120].start |
378.97596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[120].end |
379.41471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[121].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[121].start |
380.22471875 |
| transcript.pyannote[121].end |
380.91659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[122].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[122].start |
381.22034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[122].end |
383.65034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[123].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[123].start |
383.95409375 |
| transcript.pyannote[123].end |
384.35909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[124].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[124].start |
384.79784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[124].end |
385.72596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[125].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[125].start |
386.13096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[125].end |
387.32909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[126].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[126].start |
389.11784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[126].end |
390.18096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[127].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[127].start |
390.80534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[127].end |
391.63221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[128].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[128].start |
392.25659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[128].end |
393.82596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[129].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[129].start |
395.31096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[129].end |
396.76221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[130].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[130].start |
396.76221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[130].end |
397.47096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[131].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[131].start |
398.46659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[131].end |
398.88846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[132].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[132].start |
399.52971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[132].end |
404.11971875 |
| transcript.pyannote[133].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[133].start |
404.42346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[133].end |
418.91909375 |
| transcript.pyannote[134].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[134].start |
407.25846875 |
| transcript.pyannote[134].end |
408.13596875 |
| transcript.pyannote[135].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[135].start |
408.74346875 |
| transcript.pyannote[135].end |
409.26659375 |
| transcript.pyannote[136].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[136].start |
413.08034375 |
| transcript.pyannote[136].end |
413.21534375 |
| transcript.pyannote[137].speaker |
SPEAKER_00 |
| transcript.pyannote[137].start |
414.76784375 |
| transcript.pyannote[137].end |
415.12221875 |
| transcript.pyannote[138].speaker |
SPEAKER_01 |
| transcript.pyannote[138].start |
420.42096875 |
| transcript.pyannote[138].end |
423.96471875 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].start |
12.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].end |
39.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].text |
主席、各位委員,有請主委。好,我們請主委,謝謝。政委員好。好,主委好。完全正確。這個重責大任就在你主委的身上、核安會的身上。包括台電負責這個核電廠的人身上。專業。 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].start |
41.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
64.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].text |
我們絕對要專業今天這個法例如果修正通過是不是馬上就研議還是要經過台電的審慎評估各種專業加上你的專業的合同意才可以研議對不對就是要專業我們就是要專業我們看這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
69.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
98.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
核子反應器設施管制法第六條最長40年好最長40年對不對我們現在核一、核二、核三都幾年了核三將近40年核一、核二都超過40年超過了對不對剛才講的尤其是洪先生剛才講的都知道啊都已經知道了地層帶啦都知道了對不對也都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
99.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
100.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
116.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
143.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
你的結論是什麼?目前國內大眾對於核電廠研議仍存有不同意見特別是針對核能安全、核廢料處理、社會共識等議題稀審慎評估充分導入溝通核安會作為我國獨立的核能安全管制機關與國際核能先進國家的管制機關一樣本以職責與專業為民眾把關並從核能安全管制實務觀點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
145.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
167.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
提供專業意見。」前面這句話就核安會來講前面這段不用寫你只能寫你這後面這段你要本以獨立的核能安全管制機關與國際核能先進國家的管制機關一樣本以職責與專業來把關啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
173.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
184.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
今天很清楚的,現在不是說這個核一、核二、核三,都知道,都已經40年了,有的快近40年了,有的超過40年了。對不對?到底還能不能用?還可不可以研議?這個法,今天的修法,不管有沒有修, |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
198.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
209.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
有沒有提案你們之前就應該去審慎的去專業的去看去評估他已經存在40年了都知道了今天就應該專業的說可還是不可可不可以再演還是不可以再演照理應該是這樣啊專業就是如此啊政委員我跟你報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
228.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
251.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
可不可以延,必須台電就相關的核能記錄。我剛才聽過,主委,我剛才聽過你的說法了。台電要先去檢視,然後再送到你這邊。然後他如果認為某些的元件需要更換,他必須去確保這個安全性,然後提出一個報告。 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
252.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
276.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
那這個報告我們有相關的法規,主要是老化,整體性老化評估,老化管理,實現老化分析,運轉執照,徵修條例等等。它大概有多少呢?目錄,光目錄兩面大概就有六頁,整個報告大概是這麼多。台電如果沒有去檢視,就像我們人身體健康如果沒去檢查, |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
277.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
277.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
案案案案案案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
300.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
307.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
議員王鴻薇等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案案案案案案﹚一、審查委員王鴻薇等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案案﹚一、審查委員王鴻薇等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案案﹚一、審查委員王鴻薇等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案案案﹚一、審查委員王鴻薇等22人擬具:「核子反應器設施管制法第 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
327.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
327.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
案 。 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
355.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
377.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
原住民最重視的包括這個核廢料的儲存可不可以在現有的地方再開再儲存還有沒有空間當然因為你要弄到哪裡不可能啦我們也不會接受啦你要弄到哪裡大家都不會接受啦所以唯一的途徑對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
380.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
387.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
現在屏東的他們希望能夠繼續研議啊對不對那你問他們可不可以在這邊蓋這個儲存場因為沒有啦沒有啦要不要可不可以蓋啊這個都要雙管齊下啊對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
398.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
400.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
好的 謝謝接下來我們請鍾嘉賓委員 |