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151847 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151847 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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15 |
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內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-29T10:24:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-29T10:32:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e90f54132b1096e64a95c0145ebc8c8c5b40abc3f7af24af34e2527b10508eee8188cd1f86e2912d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:24:26 - 10:32:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、「新住民權益保障法草案」及「新住民基本法草案」：(詢答及處理)(一)審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具「新住民權益保障法草案」案。(二)審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「新住民基本法草案」案。(三)審查委員張智倫等18人擬具「新住民基本法草案」案。(四)審查國民黨黨團擬具「新住民基本法草案」案。(五)審查委員蘇巧慧等26人擬具「新住民基本法草案」案。【第(四)案及第(五)案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】二、繼續審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十條之一條文草案」案。
備註：4月29日（星期一）、5月1日(星期三)【兩天一次會】） |
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王委員美惠：（10時24分）感謝主席，請花次長跟移民署。 |
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主席：請花次長跟署長。 |
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花次長敬群：委員好。 |
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王委員美惠：花次長早、署長早。今天我們看到新住民保障的草案裡面，相信你我都一樣，我們有很多新住民的好朋友，我在嘉義市跑攤的時候也有很多新住民都來跟我說：阿惠，要拜託你喔！我們的權利要拜託你幫幫忙。花次長，本席要先跟你探討一個問題，新住民來自很多國家，尤其新住民裡面有65%來自中國，對吧？ |
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花次長敬群：是。 |
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王委員美惠：等於100個裡面就有65個是中國來我們臺灣的，所以這個草案非常重要。本席要跟你說，移民署有一個網站，語言有越南文、印尼文、泰文，包括菲律賓、柬埔寨，但獨獨沒有簡體文，只有我們的國語而已。我覺得大家都要互相尊重，如果現在有在看手機、戲劇的人，大家要知道這個字怎麼讀，不然如果中國這些人要來臺灣生活，「葉」跟「叶」兩個字是天差地別！花次、署長，你有覺得我們裡面需要放這個，就是本席跟你說的這個問題嗎？請回答一下。 |
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花次長敬群：跟委員報告，這件事情我們討論看看…… |
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王委員美惠：好。 |
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花次長敬群：因為這確實是一個很複雜的問題，我們討論看看。 |
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王委員美惠：很複雜的問題，我就是說，我們裡面的好像特別沒有它，你們不會覺得說，他就有辦法融入我們的生活，我們也聽得懂，不過至少我們要尊重他。 |
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花次長敬群：是。 |
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王委員美惠：本席跟你說到這個問題，你有做下去才知道，他也來自一個國家，他們的人來我們臺灣生活，我覺得大家都說我們新住民的入籍，尤其對中國人來臺灣的入籍是比任何國家都要嚴格，有這種事情嗎？請花次長回答。 |
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花次長敬群：其實倒沒有特別嚴或特別寬，而是兩邊訂的標準不盡一致，所以過去會希望在兩邊都要選最好的，就是這種爭議啦！我覺得這樣的事情，大家彼此多溝通、多討論，因為涉及到的法制是不同的法系，有的是兩岸條例、有些是移民條例，所以法系不同，法系要接軌當然需要很多界面，因為一條條文背後都有過去的立法原因和背景，彼此的背景不一樣，又要把它拉到一致的時候，多溝通其實還是有路可以走。 |
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王委員美惠：花次長、署長，這裡面的時空背景不同，以前中國人可以嫁來臺灣的時候，我們說實在的，那個環境也不同，尤其現在更加不同，包括他的權益也好、他如何提早取得身分證，現在的爭議就是在這裡，大家會覺得中國人來臺灣取得身分的時間為何這麼久，別人可以3年、住183天，為什麼他要住4年，還要住一個2年的？在這個過程中，你們說明得不清楚，因為如果是外國籍，他無法在取得之後參加選舉，是不是這樣？如果從中國嫁來這裡，是不是時間到就可以選舉？請移民署說一下。 |
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鐘署長景琨：委員，剛剛我們已經說明了，依據的法源不同，權利義務也不同，其實待的時間，比如外國人的部分，四年其實一年要待335天、連續居住在臺灣，大陸的部分一年是183天，它的設計各有不同，所以權利義務也不同，一個是兩岸條例，一個是移民法、國籍法，各有不同，很難說哪一個比較好、哪一個比較壞。因為這也涉及到個人意願，像外國人的部分，有些人時間到了，他選擇的是永久居留，他也沒有要歸化，對不對？大陸的部分，他也未必就要在這裡定居、設籍，也涉及到他個人意願，或者說母國有一些資產、保險等等問題，所以很難說是好是壞。 |
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王委員美惠：主席，不好意思！再給我1分鐘，謝謝。我覺得我們今天已經拿出來討論了，我們就把問題說清楚，尤其是他的子女，他在這裡結婚而且入籍之後，他的子女當然是臺灣籍，可以住臺灣嘛！ |
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鐘署長景琨：是。 |
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王委員美惠：不過未來我們要修的是有些人在入籍之後提出，在中國有12歲以下的小孩要申請進來臺灣，這個問題我們現在限制一年只有60個，不過我們也不能一直講一年只有60個，這個名額也有可能會改變，所以我覺得每一個草案、每一個條款都要訂清楚，要訂出現有最能解決新住民困境的方法，這是最重要的，以上。 |
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鐘署長景琨：好，謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝美惠委員的質詢，謝謝次長跟署長。 |
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繼續請黃捷委員質詢。 |
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蘇巧慧 |
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麥玉珍 |
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牛煦庭 |
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張智倫 |
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張宏陸 |
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黃建賓 |
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許宇甄 |
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王美惠 |
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黃捷 |
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丁學忠 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、「新住民權益保障法草案」及「新住民基本法草案」：(一)審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具「新
住民權益保障法草案」案、(二)審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「新住民基本法草案」案、(三)審查委
員張智倫等18人擬具「新住民基本法草案」案、(四)審查國民黨黨團擬具「新住民基本法草案」
案、( 五) 審查委員蘇巧慧等 26 人擬具「新住民基本法草案」案；二、繼續審查委員鄭天財 Sra
Kacaw 等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十條之一條文草案」案 |
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審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案．立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案．立法院等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案．立法院等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案．立法院等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案．立法院等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案．立法院等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案．立法院等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法 |
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審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案案件,審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案件,審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案件,審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案件,審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案件,審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案件,審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案 |
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有65%是來自中國的,對不對? |
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是。審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具有65%是來自台灣的。審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具有65%是來自台灣的。審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具有65%是來自台灣的。審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具有65%是來自台灣的。審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具有65%是來自台灣的。審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具有65%是來自台灣的。審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具有65%是來自台灣的。審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具有65%是來自台灣的。審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具有65%是 |
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一做議案時,有南文、印尼文、泰文、菲律賓和柬埔寨,但還沒有全體文及國語而已,因為我覺得大家都要互相尊重, |
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審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案案。 審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民基本法草案案案。 審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民基本法草案案。 審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民基本法草案案。 審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民基本法草案案。 審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民基本法草案案。 審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民基本法草案案。 審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民基本法草案案。 |
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審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案。 審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民基本法草案案。 |
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審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民基本法草案案案件 及新住民基本法草案案件 及新住民基本法草案案件 及新住民基本法草案案件 及新住民基本法草案案件 及新住民基本法草案案件 及新住民基本法草案案件 |
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180.14 |
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180.821 |
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審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具 |
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203.615 |
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229.427 |
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其實倒沒有說特別嚴或特別寬而是兩邊的定的標準不盡一致那所以說過去會有會希望說我兩邊都要選最好的嘛那就是這種爭議啦那我會覺得這樣的事情大家彼此多溝通多討論因為它涉及到的法制不同的法系有的是兩岸的條例有些是移民的條例所以它的法系不同 |
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229.887 |
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230.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具 |
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253.342 |
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253.722 |
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審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具 |
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281.084 |
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284.947 |
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案。 百人可以3天住18、83天,是怎樣他要住4天,還要住1、2天的,所以在這個過程當中,你說明不清楚,因為在這裡面,你如果外國人、外籍人,他是沒辦法站在前面選舉的,是不是這樣,我們中國人如果來這裡, |
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309.392 |
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324.683 |
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審查委員張智倫等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案。 審查委員張智倫等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案。 審查委員張智倫等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案。 審查委員張智倫等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案。 審查委員張智倫等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案。 審查委員張智倫等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案。 審查委員張智倫等18人擬具:「新住民權益保� |
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339.173 |
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346.017 |
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大陸的部分其實今年是173天沒天 其實那個設計又有不同所以全立議會也是沒天這是兩岸條例 這是移民法 國際法所以國有不同 |
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358.044 |
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358.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
案。 審查委員 |
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376.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
387.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
案。 也涉及到他個人意願,或是以母國的資產問題、保險等等,所以很難說好壞。主席,抱歉,還有9分鐘給我,謝謝。在這裏面,我認為我們今天已經開出討論,我們就讓問題講得清楚,尤其在他的經歷,他如果來我們這裏, |
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402.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
403.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
案。 審查委員張智倫等18人擬具 |
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423.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
441.5 |
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審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案案。 審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案。 審查委員張智倫等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案。 審查委員張智倫等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案。 審查委員張智倫等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案。 審查委員張智倫等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案。 審查委員張智倫等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障 |
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447.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
448.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
案。 審查委員羅美玲等21人擬具 |