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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151367 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-7 |
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第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
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1 |
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7 |
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委員會 |
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交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-18T09:45:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-18T09:55:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:13 |
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| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:45:33 - 09:55:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查113年度中央政府總預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計31案。
二、審查行政院函請審議「道路交通管理處罰條例第七條之一、第六十三條及第六十三條之二條文修正草案」案。
【僅進行詢答】
【4月15日、17日及18日三天一次會】） |
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林委員俊憲：（9時45分）謝謝主席。本席邀請交通部王部長。 |
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主席：王部長。 |
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王部長國材：林委員好。 |
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林委員俊憲：部長好。部長，我們重視交通行車安全，尤其是本席，我們非常注重大車的肇事。在清明連續假期又發生了大車的死亡車禍，你知道嗎？ |
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王部長國材：我知道。 |
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林委員俊憲：4月7日在台64，一部大卡車連續追撞6部車輛，造成一位重機的女乘客當場死亡。為什麼會發生、原因是什麼？根據這位肇事的大卡車駕駛的說法，是因為煞車失靈，大車造成的車禍非死即傷，每一次只要有大車肇事，都是非常恐怖的車禍，所以本席一直希望交通部要針對大型車輛的行車安全，政府要從這個地方努力，看怎麼樣來減少這樣的不幸事件。 |
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我們來看看，大型車輛死傷人數從來沒有減少過，花了那麼多錢，交通部把它列為重大的施政目標，部長看看，大型車輛的死傷人數，以97年到現在增加了近一倍，死傷人數從8,239人到去年的1萬3,599人，增加了百分之六十五，包括這幾年大型車輛的肇事件數增加了百分之三十八，受傷人數增加超過四成，死傷人數也是。為什麼會肇事？我們檢討過很多，肇事的原因是什麼？有說，會不會是因為有死角，所以我們來推視野輔助系統，對不對？我們有說，駕駛不當，任意變換車道，沒有保持安全距離，或者是我們改善一些危險路口的交通工程，什麼方法都用過了，但都看不到效果，為什麼？ |
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王部長國材：在過去就是他的視覺被阻擋或是沒有看清楚這部分…… |
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林委員俊憲：那是視野嘛！ |
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王部長國材：對。 |
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林委員俊憲：你們在這方面進度嚴重落後，到今年4月才裝了800台，對不對？好，我現在講的不只是這樣子，到底還有沒有其他原因？我就舉這一次連續假期的死亡車禍為例，這位駕駛說是煞車失靈，部長有沒有看過大車如果發生車禍，它常常折甘蔗，你有看過嗎？就是它的車頭煞住了，但是它後面拖的車或是貨櫃會打折，好像甘蔗折斷一樣，他們都說這就像是折甘蔗一樣，像甘蔗一樣折斷。為什麼？為什麼會有這種狀況？會不會是煞車系統真的有問題？我們什麼原因都檢討過了，檢討駕駛、檢討交通安全工程、檢討視野輔助系統，你知道為什麼車禍、死傷人數等所有數字都不斷的增加？其中，我來跟你探討煞車系統會不會真的有問題？因為每一次車禍都看見那種大型車輛會形成一種很奇怪的狀態，尤其最近常發生大車自己去撞護欄，自己失控，你知道為什麼會折甘蔗嗎？因為它前車頭的煞車跟後面它拖的東西的煞車沒有配合，前面煞住了，後面的煞車系統有可能是次級的，煞車沒有像車頭那麼好，所以車頭停得住，但後面的停不住，它就被折了，那就很危險啊，像折甘蔗一樣，他就橫擋住其他車道，你知道嗎？部長你知不知道我們現在有在檢查煞車系統？大車有在檢查嗎？ |
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林司長福山：這個部分我跟委員報告一下，煞車系統的部分大概分兩塊，第一塊的部分，不管車頭或者是後面子車出來的時候，它的煞車系統就必須要符合車輛安全檢測基準的規定，這一塊的話，就是剛剛委員有提到這個部分，我們應該在97年，就是前後車頭跟尾車都要符合ABS跟動態煞車的部分，另外一個部分…… |
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林委員俊憲：監理站驗車有沒有在驗煞車系統？ |
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林司長福山：第二部分，監理站的…… |
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林委員俊憲：沒有啊！ |
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林司長福山：是靜態煞車的…… |
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林委員俊憲：到底是有還是沒有，你說有！沒在驗煞車系統…… |
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林司長福山：靜態的部分。 |
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林委員俊憲：你們檢討車輛肇事的原因，我看你們提供的資料都說是變換車道、沒有保持安全距離或者駕駛精神不集中，從來沒有檢討車輛本身會不會有可能出問題，我今天提出這點就是你已經找遍了那麼多原因，還沒辦法改善大車的行車安全，它煞車系統會不會有問題？你知不知道現在煞車系統是怎樣用？第一個，車廠要出廠的時候，他的檢附書面資料說他的煞車系統是怎麼樣，然後送一台檢驗車給車安中心去檢查，你知道嗎？檢查過他就大量生產了，過了就沒在驗車了，你知道大車去監理站沒在驗煞車系統的嗎？我們現在規定大車一定要用ABS，那ABS其實有很多組成部分，你知道嗎？它這些組成部分會不會……我舉個例子給你看，這幾個重要的零件，煞車的主要成分清單如下，有7個，江湖傳言有些大車的ABS煞車系統會稍微少一、兩件零件，尤其像駐車閥還有快放閥，有的ABS系統沒裝，或是它磨損以後就沒有更新。 |
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我給部長看這張照片，我們大車在驗車，就這樣四張照片，這樣就算過關啦！到底車上裝了什麼系統，出廠的時候以一台檢驗車過關，以後就再也不會驗到煞車系統了，你知道嗎？像大貨車煞車煞不住，或是煞住以後他後面拖放的，就是我說折甘蔗的情況比比皆是，幾乎每件車禍都是這樣子，為什麼從來沒有想到是煞車系統？還有你們對已經肇事的車輛，大車已經撞到了，你有沒有檢查車上的煞車系統有沒有完整？有沒有？ |
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王部長國材：如果發生事故，一般檢察官會去瞭解這個煞車到底有沒有問題，如果發生事故的話。 |
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林委員俊憲：有沒有驗？從來沒有檢驗肇事車輛的煞車啦！一般都是只看酒駕，看有沒有酒駕問題，你們有沒有查過煞車系統？就是ABS整個煞車系統裡面有減少零組件的？ |
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林司長福山：跟委員報告一下，你提到的這個部分，我們之前有聽到業界有謠傳這樣子的部分，所以整個檢測報告裡面要登記的項目，來申請審驗機構應該要查核的部分，都已經有做調整修正。剛剛委員提到實務上…… |
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林委員俊憲：因為時間的問題，我再給兩位參考，後來交通部有開一個會，針對這個煞車系統你們有開一個會，車安中心認為要檢驗，部會都同意啊！交通部在這個會議上都同意煞車系統要檢查，然後就沒消息了，就沒做了，這個會議是去年喔！2023年3月連續開了兩場，4月也有開會。 |
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林司長福山：跟委員報告一下，根據這個會議結論，實務上在監理機關…… |
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林委員俊憲：我是在幫你們找肇事原因啦！ |
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林司長福山：有些配套他們現在正在研議做調整…… |
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林委員俊憲：我要看結果啦！大車的肇事件數逐年增加，死傷人數也增加，政府花這麼多錢、出這麼力，卻沒有任何績效，我現在已經找不到了，所以我只好去找車子的煞車系統，看會不會有問題，找到煞車系統，你們要不要做啦？ |
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王部長國材：跟委員報告，第一個，我覺得駕駛也有關係，第二個是你談的車輛，但是如果在這個會議裡面談到在檢驗時要把它納入，這部分我想來瞭解一下為什麼後續沒有動作的原因，我再瞭解一下，我是覺得這部分很重要，但是相關的驗車單位要準備。 |
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林委員俊憲：好啦！因為時間的問題，我們主席已經站起來了，謝謝部長、謝謝司長，這部分你要落實，好不好？ |
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王部長國材：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：現在請廖先翔委員發言。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、審查113年度中央政府總預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計 31案；二、審查行政院函請審議
「道路交通管理處罰條例第七條之一、第六十三條及第六十三條之二條文修正草案」案 |
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審議主席本席邀請我們交通部王部長王部長部長好部長我們重視交通行車安全尤其本席我們非常注重大車的造勢 |
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你知道在連續假期啊簽名連續假期又發生了大車的死亡車禍你知道嗎我知道4月7號在台六十四線一部大卡車啊連續追撞追撞六部車輛造成一位重機的女乘客當場死亡啊那為什麼會發生原因呢根據這位駕駛啊造勢的大卡車駕駛他說啦因為剎車失靈 |
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大車造成的車禍非死即傷每一次只要有大車造勢都是非常恐怖的車禍所以本席也在一直希望交通部要針對大型車輛的行車安全從這個地方政府要努力看怎麼樣來減少這樣的不幸事件我們來看看 |
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大型車輛死傷人數從來沒有減少過。花了那麼多錢所謂的交通部把他列為重大的施政目標。大型車輛的死傷人數如果以97年到現在增加的快要近一倍了。 |
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死傷人數從8239人到去年的13599人增加了百分之六十幾啦。六十五啦。包括這幾年大型車輛的肇事件數增加了百分之三十八啦。受傷人數增加超過四成啦。死傷人數也是啦。那為什麼會肇事啊?我們檢討過很多啦。 |
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造成的原因是什麼有說啊會不會因為有死角所以我們來推視野輔助系統對不對我們有說駕駛啊不當任意變換車道沒有保持安全距離或者是我們改善一些危險路路口的交通的那個工程什麼什麼方法都演過了啦看不到效果啦為什麼 |
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我想那個在過去就是他的這個事節被阻擋後世沒有看清楚那是4月嘛那你們在這外面進度嚴重落後啦到今年4月啊你在裝了800台啦對不對好我現在講的不只是這樣子啦那到底還有沒有什麼其他原因我就舉這一次的連續架騎這個死亡車禍啦這駕駛說他是煞車失靈 |
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你有沒有看過大車如果發生車禍啊,一台一台一台凹桿子,你有看過嗎?結果他車頭煞住了,但是他後面拖的車或者是貨櫃,他會打折,好像甘蔗折斷一樣。所以他們都說像你那樣凹桿子,像甘蔗一樣折斷,為什麼?為什麼會有這種狀況? |
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會不會是煞車系統真的是有問題啊我們什麼原因都檢討過了啊檢討駕駛啦檢討交通安全工程啦檢討視野視野輔助系統那你知道為什麼車禍啊死傷人數啊所有的數字都不斷的增加那其中啊 |
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我來跟你探討這個剎車系統會不會真的有問題因為每一次車禍都會看在看見那種大型車輛阿他會形成一種很奇怪的狀態尤其最近阿常發生大車距去撞護欄阿自己失控阿為什麼會把車撞壞你知道嗎因為他前車頭的剎車跟後面他拖的東西的剎車阿沒有配合啦 |
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前面煞住了,但後面的煞車系統有可能是刺激啦。煞車沒有像車頭那麼好。所以車頭凍會掉,你會怕它凍會掉,它就會倒下。那就很危險啦。它會打折,那個像折乾這個一樣,它就橫擋住其他車道啊。你知道嗎?老闆,你覺得我們現在還有你檢查煞車系統?大車還有你檢查? |
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報告一下那個煞車系統的部分大概這個分兩塊第一塊的部分就是說不管車頭或者是後面的這個紙車出來的時候他的煞車系統就必須要符合車輛安全檢測基準的規定那這一塊的話就是剛剛委員有提到一個這個部分我們在這個應該是97年的時候就是這個前後車頭跟這個尾車都是這個都要符合ABS跟動態煞車的部分 |
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另外一個部分 經理站驗車有沒有在驗煞車系統 經理站第二部分經理站的這個 沒有啦 是靜態煞車的 沒有在驗煞車系統啦 車輛造勢啦 |
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你們檢討原因啦我看你們提供的那個資料啦都像變換車道啦沒有保持安全距離啦或者駕駛精神不集中有沒有從來沒有檢討車輛本身會不會有可能出問題我今天提出這點就是說你已經找遍了那麼多原因啦你都沒辦法改善啦大車的行車安全啦他煞車系統會不會有問題你問他現在煞車系統是怎樣用第一個啦 |
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檢驗書面資料說他的煞車系統是怎麼樣,然後送一台檢驗車給車案中心去檢查啦。你知道嗎?檢驗過後就大量生產啦。啊過後就沒你敢請了啦。你知道大車去鑑你是不是沒你敢煞車系統的喔?那我們現在規定啦,大車,它這一定用ABS嘛。那ABS其實它有很多組成部分耶。你知道嗎? |
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那會不會啦?他這些組成部分啦。我舉個例給你看幾個重要的零件啦。剎車的主要成分清單有家啦。1234567啦。那江湖傳言啦。有些ABS的大車的剎車系統喔。它會削割減一兩件零件啦。尤其像那個駐車法還有快放法。有的ABS系統啦。全部都倒啦。 |
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還是說他磨損以後他就沒有更新啊我跟你看啊部長你看這張照片喔我們的大車在驗車喔他就這樣四張照片這樣就算過關啊到底他車上裝了什麼系統喔出廠的時候啊以一台檢驗車過關然後以後啊就從來不會再驗到煞車系統 |
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稍等稍等 |
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這一個如果發生事故一般檢查檢查會不會了解這個煞車到底有沒有問題如果發生事故的話有沒有因為從來沒有在檢驗你造出車輛煞車啦一般都是好像酒駕啦看酒駕後有沒有問題你們有沒有查過煞車系統就是說ABS它的整個所有的煞車系統裡面有減少零組件的 |
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跟委員報告一下你提到的這個部分的話就是我們現在就是說大概之前有這個就是說聽到業界有謠傳這樣子的部分所以整個檢測報告裡面要登記的項目然後來申請審驗審驗機構應該要查核的部分都已經有做一個調整修正那剛剛委員提到實際上就是說來我一個實際的問題來我再給你們兩位參考後來交通部有開一個會啦針對這個沙特系統你們開一個會 |
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車安中心認為要有檢驗啦。部委都同意啦。你跟我們報,在這個會議頂頭的人都同意啦。三到四都要檢查啊。我們就沒消息。 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
535.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
543.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
這個會議是去年喔2023年3月連續開了兩場4月也開會根據這個會議結論那所長在監理機關檢疫我是在幫你們找肇事原因啦有些配套他們現在正在研議做調整我要看結果啦大車的肇事件數逐年增加死傷人數也增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
566.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
580.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
啊進屋開了多次出了多次爛啊你就沒有任何的一個績效那我現在已經找不到啦我只要找到車子系統會不會有問題找到車子系統了你要不要做啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
581.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
601.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
我們整體來做個檢討好那個各位報告第一個當然是我覺得駕駛也有關係第二個是您談的車輛但是如果在這個會議裡面談到在檢驗要把它納入我想這部分我要了解一下為什麼後續後續沒有動作因為我再了解一下如果如果要的我是覺得這部分很重要但是他們的相關檢驗檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
602.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
602.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
報告。 |