| IVOD_ID |
151272 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151272 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-17T11:15:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-17T11:21:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/cfb4b12132f01627c4fc5336ed44c942b57f63d1b53b7532c5dab72e655c1c9428a6dcfce92d83dc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:15:48 - 11:21:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、經濟部、行政院國家永續發展委員會就「限塑政策執行成效，及家戶與一般事業廢棄物減量之檢討與策進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月15日及17日二天一次會】） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時15分）主席、各位委員。有請部長。 |
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主席：好，請部長。 |
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薛部長富盛：鄭委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長好。環境部很重要的就是環境影響評估，那環境影響評估有關蘇花安這個公路，我現在的圖是之前的蘇花改，蘇花安的環評是誰主持？ |
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薛部長富盛：我們分初審，環評大會的話，部長會親自主持，那假如初審的話，我們次長跟環保司的司長也都會在場。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個要特別請我們環境部的所有官員來去協助。 |
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薛部長富盛：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我們看這個，我們回顧蘇花改，蘇花改這些路段當時都是先選擇最困難的、最不安全的、對人民的傷害最大的、常常會落石的，這些不安全的先做，也就是說它是比較困難的，當時的選擇是這樣，蘇花改的好幾個路段。按照97年11月10號行政院同意蘇花改的可行性研究，然後兩年多就開工了，也就是說它在環境影響評估這個部分是很順利的。 |
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我們反觀這個，這個是整個蘇花安跟蘇花改的路段，這個蠻複雜的，不太容易看。我們看現在的蘇花安，我剛剛講了，蘇花改已經通車了，然後現在的名稱叫蘇花安，還有幾個路段要繼續做，108年12月20號行政院核定蘇花安的可行性研究，108年喔！現在已經是113年了，這些路段都是比較好做的，而且從過去來看，像蘇花改是比較不安全的，這次應該是比較安全的，但是我們這次0403的地震，蘇花改的路段都沒有怎麼樣，現在發生的都在蘇花安的路段，所以這個部分就必須要去加速，因為現在的科技跟環保可以兼顧並行，反而有時候我常常跟環評的團體講，兼顧的話對環境保護更好，絕對是這樣。 |
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從108年12月20號蘇花安的可行性研究到現在，比之前的蘇花改還來得久，到現在環評都還沒有完成，連初審都沒有通過，所以這個部分要特別請部長，雖然你要離開了…… |
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薛部長富盛：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：更要請我們環境部的同仁…… |
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薛部長富盛：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：怎麼樣去說明、怎麼樣去說服這些環評的委員，可以嗎？ |
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薛部長富盛：跟鄭委員報告，就我所知交通部好像這個月底前會送進環境部，環境部已經規劃在5月初還是5月什麼時候就馬上會召開。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，儘快。 |
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薛部長富盛：我們會來全力協助。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我也會請交通部能夠趕快…… |
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薛部長富盛：我們會全力來協助。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：趕快送去。 |
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薛部長富盛：OK。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以要加速完成蘇花安的環評。 |
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薛部長富盛：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我們回顧北迴鐵路那個年代，1980的年代花6年就完工了，北迴鐵路是整個路段喔！蘇花安、蘇花改的路段喔！你看北迴鐵路這次0403發生大地震，4月4號的凌晨就通車了，都沒有怎麼樣，只是在這段時間它去檢查、去檢查，再檢查，都沒有問題。所以在這邊特別要請環境部的同仁，在環評的時候要詳為說明，讓環評的這些委員能夠支持，好不好？ |
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薛部長富盛：好，謝謝鄭委員。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員。 |
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接下來我們請洪孟楷、洪孟楷，洪孟楷委員不在。 |
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我們請林淑芬委員質詢。 |
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王育敏 |
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陳菁徽 |
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陳昭姿 |
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陳瑩 |
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林淑芬 |
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劉建國 |
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陳冠廷 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請環境部部長、經濟部、行政院國家永續發展委員會就「限塑政策執行成效，及家戶與一般事
業廢棄物減量之檢討與策進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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主席各位有請部長好請部長好政委好部長好是這個環境部很重要的就是環境影響評估是那環境影響評估有關這個蘇花安這個公務我現在的圖是蘇花改了是之前的蘇花安這個環評是誰主持 |
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我們分出省,環民大會的話會部長親自主持那假如出省的話我們次長跟我們那個環保師的師長也都會在場好,這個就要特別請這個我們環境部的所有的官員來去協助我們看這個,我們回顧抒發改 |
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蘇花改這些路段當時都是先選擇最困難的最不安全的對人民的傷害最大的常常會落實的這些不安全的先做也就是說它是比較困難的當時的選擇是這樣這個蘇花改這個好幾個路段 |
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那蘇阿改的這個你看看我們按照這個97年蘇阿改11月10號行政院同意他的可行性研究一直到開工兩年多就開工了 |
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也就是說他在環境影響評估這個部分是很順利的很順利好我們反觀這個這個是整個蘇花安跟蘇花改這個路段這個蠻複雜的這樣看就不太容易看我們看現在的蘇花安我剛剛講了蘇花改已經通車了然後現在還名稱叫蘇花安還有幾個路段要繼續做 |
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108年12月20日行政院合併蘇花安的可行性研究108年現在已經是113年了這些路段都是比較好做的而且從過去來看 |
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也都是跟舒華安舒華改是比較不安全的這個這一次是應該比較安全的但是現在我們這一次0403的地震舒華改都沒有怎麼樣舒華改的路段都沒有怎麼樣舒華安現在發生的都在舒華安的路段 |
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所以這個部分這個就是必須要去加速因為現在的科技跟環保可以兼顧並行反而有時候是我常常跟這個環評的這個團體講兼顧的話對環境保護更好 |
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所以這個部分要特別請部長雖然這個要離開了更要請我們的 |
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環境部的同仁是怎麼樣去說明怎麼樣去說服這些環評的委員 |
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可以嗎?給鄭委員報告我所知道交通部好像這個月底前會送進環境部那環境部已經規劃在五月初還是五月什麼時候就馬上會召開我會請這個交通部趕快送去所以要加速完成這個塑化案的環評我們回顧 |
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北回鐵路那個年代你看看1980的年代這麼花6年就完工了北回鐵路它是整個路段喔蘇花安、蘇花改的路段喔北回鐵路當時你看北回鐵路這一次啊04、03發生大地震 |
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好,謝謝鄭委員。好,謝謝 |
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好 謝謝鄭天財委員 |