| IVOD_ID |
151166 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151166 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
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內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-15T13:17:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-15T13:27:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 支援功能[1] |
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| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:17:37 - 13:27:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、行政院主計總處副主計長、原住民族委員會、行政院公共工程委員會、交通部、交通部觀光署、環境部、勞動部、農業部、教育部、衛生福利部、經濟部、財政部、國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會、金融監督管理委員會就「0403震災之災後救助、重建規劃及補助方式」及「從東華實驗室失火事件檢討災害防救之完備化」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（13時17分）主席、各位委員。有請部長。 |
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主席：有請林部長。 |
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林部長右昌：委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長好。你們公告的0403地震災害救助，自購住宅貸款利息補貼是今年8月才要開始。為什麼要等到8月？可以提早嗎？ |
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林部長右昌：現在就可以申請了。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這是你們公告的內容。因為你們最近在行政院簡報的時候，也是寫另一個時間，所以這個部分要公告讓大家知道。至於金額，自購住宅貸款利息補貼最高可達210萬元至250萬元，有年限。另外還有修繕住宅貸款利息補貼，優惠額度最高80萬元，內政部在行政院報告時也有提到，這部分也是一樣的。另外針對自行租屋者，由政府提供租金補貼，三口以內每月8,000元，最高八口以上，每月1.8萬元，本席只是舉一些例子。至於重建利息補貼，剛才已經唸過。另外還有建築物耐震能力評估，其中包括集合式住宅等等。 |
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本席要談的是什麼？民國88年九二一地震的時候，當初的貸款額度、利率，購屋及住宅重建貸款每戶最高350萬元，金額就比現在高，現在的額度這麼低，從88年到現在已經經過幾年？另外像利率也有區分。莫拉克風災的房屋租金補貼，戶內人口三口以下者，每月6,000元，當時是98年，現在是113年，現在的房價、租金補貼額度都差很多啦！本席的意思是說，現在的優惠太少了。 |
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我們看一下，這是本席的具體建議，民國88年九二一地震到現在已經25年，所以相關的租屋補貼金額也應該增加，這是第一個。第二個，當時貸款額度最高是350萬元，150萬元以下免息，但是現在都沒有免息，所以這部分也應該做區分。如果以當初九二一地震的狀況換算，經過25年，現在每戶最高貸款額度應該要1,000萬元，450萬元以下免息，修繕貸款也是一樣，要做不同的因應。為什麼我們會主張訂定特別條例？就是這個意思。 |
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我們看民國88年的九二一地震，當初有九二一震災重建暫行條例，民國97年的莫拉克颱風也有增訂重建特別條例，但你們說後來有制定災害防救法。所以現在有兩個途徑，第一個是現在訂0403地震特別條例，第二個途徑是很快的修正災害防救法，把九二一地震和莫拉克風災的這些特別規定納入災害防救法。請大家看一下本席的簡報資料，震災、風災個案救助額度及租屋補貼、重建之額度、利率、年限，不應因災害區域大小而有所不同。 |
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就一個受災戶而言，你是大區域的受災，但對個案的受災戶而言都是一樣的，不能因為災害區域的大小而有區別，例如九二一地震的災害區域很大，莫拉克風災的受災區域縮小一點，現在的0403地震又縮小一點，就因為這樣有差別待遇。 |
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如果要很快的處理這件事，當然是訂0403地震特別條例。第二個，一定要修災害防救法，要去做比對，哪些是九二一地震有的。莫拉克風災特別條例有的，但是災害防救法還沒有納入的，就要把它納入。部長，可以嗎？ |
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林部長右昌：謝謝委員的垂詢。其實委員可以看我們今天的口頭報告第6頁。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：本席看了。 |
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林部長右昌：其實第6頁已經有提到數字，這就是你剛才說的，實際上災民的重建購住宅貸款利息補貼，每戶最高是350萬元，已經不是剛才那個數字。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對。 |
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林部長右昌：第二個，修繕住宅貸款利率補貼，最高是150萬元，這就如你剛才所說的，比照九二一地震，委員剛才的數字可能有一些出入，所以我做以上補充。另外是我們租金的補貼額度，這次也有提高，三口的部分已經是每月8,000元，最高是八口，可以補貼到每月1萬8,000元，每多一個人增加2,000元，這部分的金額是依據花蓮縣政府提出來的需求，我們立即做一些提高和修正。第二個是…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長，本席打岔一下，本席的資料是你們的資料，沒有錯啊！350萬元，這是你們上上禮拜在行政院院會的報告，本席沒有引用錯誤。 |
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林部長右昌：剛才前面的第1頁…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：那也是你們公布的，你上網就有了。 |
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林部長右昌：那是舊版。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對，但是這也是今年0403地震之後公布的。 |
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林部長右昌：那是舊版，這個是新的。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：你剛才也提到，九二一地震的時候就是350萬元，25年之後還是350萬元？所以要調，可以嗎？ |
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林部長右昌：委員，這些我們都可以做進一步的討論。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：一定要。 |
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林部長右昌：是，謝謝委員的建議。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不是只針對這一次，未來就算是一個小災害，即便區域很小也應該這麼做，所以本席具體建議，第一個就是要提高額度。另外還有一點很重要，就是剛才說的災害防救法修正，要把這些相關規定納入，而且還要特別提到，要因應很多因素適時進行檢討，例如房價、通膨等各方面。 |
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因為時間的關係，本席先就原民會和內政部的部分提問，像玉山神學院、花蓮港教會、馬遠天主堂，還有花蓮磯崎天主堂受損壞，這些和原民會、內政部都有關係。 |
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劉處長維哲：那個部分在4月16日副院長主持的會議裡面，已經同意這部分的教會損失可以用賑災善款支應。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這是賑災基金會的部分，本席知道，但政府也應該負擔。本席要告訴部長、署長，九二一地震的時候，政府就有投入經費，因為本席身歷其境，而不是民間的捐款，以上。 |
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主席：非常謝謝鄭天財委員的質詢，也謝謝部長、署長，還有處長。 |
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我要說明一下，賑災基金會沒有修繕的部分，沒有，那個所有的四大項裡面沒有修繕，只有重建跟購屋的部分，這也是我早上垂詢賑災基金會的時候希望他們能夠修改條例，把修繕也放在裡面而不是只有重建。以上，謝謝。 |
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繼續我們請王鴻薇委員質詢。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請內政部部長、行政院主計總處副主計長、原住民族委員會、行政院公共工程委員會、交通
部、交通部觀光署、環境部、勞動部、農業部、教育部、衛生福利部、經濟部、財政部、國軍退
除役官兵輔導委員會、金融監督管理委員會就「0403震災之災後救助、重建規劃及補助方式」及
「從東華實驗室失火事件檢討災害防救之完備化」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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主席、各位委員有請部長有請林部長事務委員好部長好 |
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0403地震災害救助這個是你們所公告的這針對自購住宅貸款利息補貼今年8月才要開始為什麼要8月可以提早嗎現在就可以申請了這是你們公告的是現在就可以申請然後你們這個最近在行政院簡報的時候 |
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時間你們也是另外寫說是另外的時間了所以這部分再把它讓大家知道然後這個金額我們看這個金額 |
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最高可達至過住宅貸款利息補貼最高可達210萬至250萬年限休暫住宅貸款利息補貼優惠額度最高80萬 |
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我們看那個就是內政部在行政院所做的報告裡面也提到一樣的然後另外有針對自行租屋這個政府租金補貼3口以內8000塊最高8口以上1.8萬我自己一些例子然後這個這剛提到的重建的利息補貼那些剛已經念過了這個怎麼了 |
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好下一張怎麼會變兩個不要動不要動我來動抱歉這裡面建築物那裡評估這些數字還有集合式住宅那些數字我要談的是什麼呢921 |
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921的時候民國88年喔921民國88年當初這個貸款額度利率購屋及住宅重建貸款每戶最高350萬多比現在現在的這麼低然後經過88年到現在幾年的這個然後這些還有還有分喔利率也有分喔921的話 |
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立例也要分相關的這些莫拉克的莫拉克的房屋租金戶內人口3口以下6000塊98年108年現在是113年現在這個房屋房價租屋租金的額度都差很多了我的意思說現在的規定太少了 |
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我們看了這個是我的具體的建議莫拉克921民國88年到現在20幾年25年了相關的金額應該要增加租金租屋的金額這第一個第二個當時350萬以下 |
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然後150萬以下是免息現在都沒有免息的問題要去做7分現在如果以當初921來去換說25年的話現在應該每戶要最高到貸款額度要1000萬然後450萬以下要免息修上貸款也是一樣要做因應不同為什麼 |
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為什麼我們會主張要訂特別條例是這個意思好沒錯我們看921民國88年當初訂了一個921震災重建暫行條例莫拉克颱風民國97年訂了一個重建特別條例好你們說沒錯後來制定了災害防救法所以 |
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有兩個途徑第一個現在定0403的特別條例這是一個途徑第二個途徑很快的去修災害防救法把這些921跟莫拉克風災這些特別的規定要納入到災害防救法裡面傳那個我這邊右邊看一下鎮災風災個案的救助額度 |
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及租屋補貼、重建之額度、利率、年限不應該因災害的契約大小而有所不同。」就個案而言就一個受災婦而言你是一個很大契約的受災但是就個案的受災婦而言是一樣的你不能因為災害期921的時候災害期很大 |
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摩拉克的時候災期一縮小一點現在0403一縮小一點不應該有差別待遇所以要很快的當然就是0403地震的特別條例第二個一定要去修這個災害防救法 |
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去做比對哪些在921有的木耳科颱風災害特別條例有的災害防救法還沒有納入的把他納入進去部長可以嗎謝謝委員的詮詢謝謝委員可以看我們今天的口頭報告第6頁第6頁的這邊其實已經有提到的這個數字就是你剛剛在講的 |
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我們實際上災民的重建構住宅貸款利息補貼這個每戶最高是350萬已經不是剛剛那個數字是350萬第二個修繕的住宅貸款利息補貼最高是150萬所以這個就是如你剛剛所說的這個比照的921 |
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那委員剛剛的數字可能有一些出入不過給你做補充另外是我們租金的一個補貼的額度在這一次也已經提高到3口的部分就已經是8000然後最高可以到8口可以到18000每一個人就是增加2000這部分的金額是我們跟這個依據花蓮縣政府所提出來的需求我們把它立即的做了一些提高跟修正這邊跟你做報告 |
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我的資料是你們的資料沒有錯350萬350萬要弄清楚300這是你們在行政院上上禮拜的行政院會的報告我這邊是寫350萬我沒有錯我沒有引用錯誤你剛剛前面那個那個是也是你們公布的你上網就有那是舊版對也是今年0403之後公布的 |
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那是舊版這個是新的我的意思是說你剛也提到了這個350萬是921的時候的350萬25年之後還是350萬所以要調可以嗎委員我想這個部分我們都可以來做進一步的一個討論一定要一定要是謝謝委員的建議不是只有針對這次未來就算一個小災害 |
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7很小也應該所以我的具體的建議第一個要提高另外就是說這個很重要的就是說這個剛才講的災害防救法的修正把這個相關的這些納入進去而且還要特別提到要因應要因應什麼很多的比如說房價 |
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防通膨膨各方面的要做事實的去檢討所以這個部分因為時間的關係我先就這個 |
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原民會、內政部、一山神學院、花蓮港教會、馬眼天主堂、花蓮基崎天主堂、 |
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這個跟延民會跟內政部都有關係委員那個在4月16號副院長組織會議裡面的已經同意有關政府的災害損失可以用震災的善款來支應這個是震災基金會我知道這個政府也應該負擔我要跟部長說我要跟這個這個署長說921的時候政府就有投入 |
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921因為我身歷其境921的時候就有投入政府的經費而不是民間的監管以上好,非常謝謝今天蔡委員的質詢也謝謝部長、署長還有處長 |