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150825 |
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| 日期 |
2024-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-9 |
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第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
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委員會 |
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內政委員會 |
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第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-01T12:55:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-01T13:13:27+08:00 |
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00:17:30 |
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| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:55:57 - 13:13:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長就以下事項進行專題報告，並備質詢：(一)2016年至2024年原住民族自治法及都市原住民發展條例立法推動歷程。(二)如何協助地方政府推動都市原住民政策。(三)部落產業發展及食農教育政策辦理情形。(四)部落地方創生計畫執行現況與未來發展。(五)原住民族學校法立法推動情形。(六)原住民族知識體系辦理情形。(七)如何改善原住民族語言推動組織之需求。(八)原住民族語言推動現況與預算執行檢討。(九)如何制定保障土地與居住權益之「原住民族土地使用規則（草案）」。(十)國土計畫法施行後部落自有住宅合法化推動規劃。(十一)部落聯絡道路養護及預算不足之辦理情形。(十二)如何協助原鄉公所基礎設施預算不足之困境。(十三)原住民族家庭服務中心轉型規劃辦理情形。(十四)如何精進原住民族文化健康站並落實老幼共學政策。(十五)原住民族電視臺及廣播電臺之各職類薪資待遇暨升遷制度及人才培育規劃。二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十條之一條文草案」案。(僅詢答)【4月1日及3日兩天一次會】） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（12時56分）主席好，各位委員好。有請綜規處的雅柏甦詠．博伊哲努處長。 |
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主席：好，我們請綜規處的雅柏甦詠．博伊哲努處長。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：副主委沒有來，只好找處長。 |
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雅柏甦詠．博伊哲努處長：你好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，很好。我們看這個今天原民會的報告，特別提到已經列了很多次了原住民族自治區法、原住民族自治法、原住民族自治暫行條例。從程序性立法，到實質性立法，到階段性立法，原民會的報告寫了很多，已經寫了不只一次，相當有困難度。 |
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但很重要的就是，原民會從105年編列原住民族自治的預算，從105年到113年也就是今年，總共已經編列了3,639萬8,000元，民脂民膏，真的非常非常的可惜。 |
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有看到原民會今天的報告，現階段本會遵循蔡英文總統裁示方向，已經改了，105年8月1號蔡總統承諾，我們會很快的將原住民族自治法送到立法院，我不知道什麼時候改的，因為你這邊沒有寫時間。怎麼了？重來，抱歉、抱歉！ |
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主席：沒關係，時間暫停。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：怎麼會？ |
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主席：我們請議事人員麻煩協助處理。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：謝謝。好，開始。110年3月12號蘇貞昌在答詢本席的質詢的時候有特別提到，關於制定原住民族自治法，蘇院長答復我，他承諾會分流立法，至今已經3年多了，到現在還沒有看到所謂分流立法的草案。 |
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就算是蔡總統剛才講的這個也應該要提出法律案，雅柏甦詠．博伊哲努，你應該要提出來，你應該要跟主委報告，我們要趕快送審，所以也沒有。陳水扁總統的時候提了3次程序性的立法，未獲原住民族立委的支持，馬英九總統執政時，第一個，有83條的原住民族自治法草案，實質性的立法，後來第二任的時候提出原住民族自治暫行條例草案，階段性的立法，這個階段性立法其實就是分流立法。 |
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原住民族自治法的草案在100年，當時高金素梅委員在立法院內政委員會審查，完成了這個原住民族自治法的草案，有行政院版及無黨團結聯盟所提出的黨團版，還有林正二委員、孔文吉委員所提出來的版本，經過5次朝野協商，在100年6月13號朝野協商的版本送到院會。決議為：「本案因尚待協商，現作如下決議：『協商有結論時，提出本次會議處理。』」因為沒有完成協商，為什麼沒有完成協商？高金素梅委員在這邊，無黨團結聯盟有簽字，國民黨黨團有簽字，那時候只有3個黨團，另外一個黨團不簽字。101年原住民的立法委員還是不放棄，再送院會，一樣，協商後再行處理。因為還是沒有簽字。這個就是整個從99年12月23、27、29日內政委員會很辛苦的審查，然後再召開5次的黨團協商，就是沒有簽字，民進黨團不簽字，所以就沒有通過，很可惜，真的很可惜。所以雅柏甦詠有時候要跟政務官講，我們要拋棄政黨，我們要以原住民族為第一優先。 |
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我們看這個原住民族自治暫行條例，那時候本席已經當立法委員，從第8屆開始，高金素梅委員也在場，我們很認真的把這個原住民族自治暫行條例行政院版本改為原住民族自治推動條例，這個就是階段性立法，也就是蘇貞昌院長所講的分流立法，但是很可惜，那時候被罵得一塌糊塗，沒有土地、沒有經費、沒有財政，但是如果我們仔細看，雅柏甦詠，你下次把這個條文給主委看，非常棒的條文啊！雖然沒有土地，有啊！還是有土地，原住民族土地及自然資源的管理，自然保育的管理都有，所以這個部分很可惜，真的是很可惜。你看，朝野協商我們都簽字了，高金素梅也有簽字，由我鄭天財代理主持，張慶忠召委他說，這個原住民的法案，你來主持。我來主持。真的是很可惜。 |
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我們看這個原住民族土地使用管理規則，杜張梅莊處長。 |
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主席：杜張處長，謝謝。不需要雅柏回答嗎？他聽就好？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：先坐一下好了。Sabau（你好、辛苦了）。 |
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杜張處長梅莊：Sabau。（你好、辛苦了）。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：你的管理規則草案寫「位於原住民族土地」，這個就是一個陷阱，雖然你的說明有寫，包含以前傳統調查那個部分，但是實際上在執行的時候，內政部就會告訴你，這個不行啊！這個只是說明。你看你的草案第五條也是「位於原住民族土地上」，第二條也是一樣，「原住民族土地之建蔽率及容積率」，到時候內政部，包括別的部會，會怎麼去打臉？它就拿出你的法律、你的法規──原住民族土地劃設辦法，原住民族土地是傳統領域跟既有的原住民保留地，原住民族傳統領域土地是公有土地。這條文就形同虛設了，我們原來蓋的房子沒有辦法合法化，因為是公有土地，對不對？然後在私有土地的不算啊！就會產生這個問題，所以我建議就把它定在條文裡面，我們就直接定在條文裡，部落範圍裡面的私有土地，不限於原住民保留地，包含平地原住民部落範圍裡面的私有土地，把它寫清楚，因為這個規則跟這個辦法是平行的，就可以排除它，就不會有這樣的一個陷阱。 |
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杜張處長梅莊：委員，我可以說明嗎？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好。 |
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杜張處長梅莊：委員，剛剛講那個都對啦！我的意思是我們跟國土署協調是以屬人主義，是原住民身分的就會有這樣的一個權益，這個也是我們擔心，如果是原住民身分，未來土地如果不是原保地，它會不會轉嫁到非原的身上，這個是我們考慮的。所以剛剛委員講的那個，依照我們現在討論的這個方向是不太容易發生，我的意思是這樣。如果委員覺得這樣不是很周全的話，我們再考慮，再跟國土署討論。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：一定要。 |
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接下來請有關原住民族學校法的教文處先來。 |
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主席：我們請教文處處長。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：原住民族教育法第十五條規定得很清楚，要另以法律定制，就立法、就提出草案，為什麼呢？你不要等什麼、什麼、什麼還沒有，我們回顧民國57年，國民政府時代，被現在的法律稱為威權統治時期，民國57年國民義務教育要到9年，從6年變9年、國中，那時候老師不足，照樣推行，何況這麼多年、幾十年了之後，我們師資不足嗎？太足了。我們的資料不足嗎？太足了。我們原住民族學院已經推動那麼多年了，所以最起碼你提出草案，然後你可以等什麼時候執行，執行由行政院另定之，也可以啊！這個加油。 |
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楊處長正斌：我們現在會跟教育部這邊進一步做評估。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：羅馬拼音是誰的？我們也請董事長來。 |
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主席：請馬耀．谷木。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：還有姓名條例是誰的？ |
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主席：姓名條例是雅柏甦詠。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：112年臺北高等行政法院的判決，單列原住民族傳統名字可以用羅馬拼音、原住民族文字，最高法院判決勝訴，這裡面引用了憲法還有很多相關的大法官解釋，也引用了原住民族語言發展法第一條的第一句話，就是本席所堅持提出來的，原住民族語言是國家語言，因為這一句話，臺北高等行政法院引用了，然後做了解釋，所以就判決勝訴。這個法律整個論述非常清楚，有時間的時候好好看。我在112年11月9號質詢了內政部部長，我說既然最高法院判決了，你協調臺北新北市政府，不要上訴，還好新北市政府沒有上訴，我當初要求內政部部長，既然法院判決了就可以依法來解釋，所以負責主管這個部分的雅柏甦詠，趕快辦理解釋，可以嗎？ |
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雅柏甦詠．博伊哲努處長：跟委員報告，上個禮拜行政院有找本會跟內政部針對這個部分…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：趕快解釋。 |
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雅柏甦詠．博伊哲努處長：之後我們會循解釋的方式去處理這件事情。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好。教文處還有馬耀．谷木，族語AI技術系統研發，這個部分，原住民族語言發展法第十條規定得很清楚，要調查什麼相關族語能力等，然後本席也召開過協調會，在去年6月8日跟7月7日召開過兩次協調會，即族語AI語音及時翻譯系統協調會，這個部分原民會跟語發基金會也在進行當中，所以這個部分要繼續努力、要加油。 |
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族語教師不足方面，原民會、教文處及語發基金會，現在學前教育、十二年國教都要族語教學，但是我們的族語教師嚴重不足，這是什麼時候的文？是111年8月22日的文，我每次都質詢教育部部長，還是缺了三百多人，非常非常可惜，這也是一個就業的機會，這個部分我也開過協調會，所以你們要加強落實，就開班啊！補習班啊！中高級通過且願意當族語老師的，就考高級族語研習班、訓練班，這個部分要去推動，所以這是一個需要加強的部分。 |
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另外，等一下要審查原基法第二十條之一，本席為了這個，我早上有提到一個八十幾歲的老先生，為了這個案子，我寫了4次信給夷將主委，土管處處長，你有沒有看過這封信？我寫了4次，4封信都不同時間寫的。 |
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杜張處長梅莊：有看過。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：很可惜就這樣被判決了，判決有期徒刑，然後這八十幾歲老先生就這樣過世了。原來是怎麼樣？根本就弄錯了！法官弄錯，檢察官弄錯，原民會有去，你們有去喔！也沒有好好的去指導這些法官。 |
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杜張處長梅莊：我們有跟法官說這不是山坡地的範圍。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：但是還是被判，因為…… |
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杜張處長梅莊：他那個是侵占的問題，是另外一個層面。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不是、不是，你錯了！ |
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杜張處長梅莊：他用山坡地範圍去罰他。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：你錯了、你錯了！這個判決書我看得很清楚，因為他依山坡地保育利用條例去判決就錯啦！ |
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杜張處長梅莊：對，沒有錯。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對不對？沒有錯吧？對啊，因為它不是山坡地，他用山坡地保育利用條例就錯了！所以為了避免繼續犯這樣的錯，避免我們的鄉親繼續被判刑，所以要趕快修，因為原住民族保留地管理利用條例什麼時候會通過不知道，請問一下，這一件你們有送給行政院了嗎？ |
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杜張處長梅莊：我們現在準備把草案整理完以後…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：還沒有送？ |
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杜張處長梅莊：我們會送。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對嘛，還沒有送。所以這個部分，我們就先通過原基法第二十條之一，以上，謝謝。 |
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主席：非常謝謝鄭天財委員的質詢，謝謝。因為今天的議案真的比較多，大家真的非常辛苦。 |
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登記發言的委員除了不在場之外，其餘都已經發言完畢，詢答結束。委員蘇巧慧、林倩綺、丁學忠、陳培瑜所提的書面質詢，列入紀錄，刊登公報。書面質詢跟未及答復的部分，請相關單位在一週之內以書面答復，並副知本會。 |
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委員會-11-1-15-9 |
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高金素梅 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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張宏陸 |
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黃建賓 |
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麥玉珍 |
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王美惠 |
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張智倫 |
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黃仁 |
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李柏毅 |
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許宇甄 |
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吳琪銘 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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牛煦庭 |
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黃捷 |
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陳瑩 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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林倩綺 |
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黃國昌 |
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盧縣一 |
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蘇巧慧 |
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丁學忠 |
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陳培瑜 |
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117 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、財團法人原住民
族語言研究發展基金會董事長就以下事項進行專題報告，並備質詢：(一)2016年至2024年原住民
族自治法及都市原住民發展條例立法推動歷程、 ( 二) 如何協助地方政府推動都市原住民政策、
(三)部落產業發展及食農教育政策辦理情形、(四)部落地方創生計畫執行現況與未來發展、(五)
原住民族學校法立法推動情形、(六)原住民族知識體系辦理情形、(七)如何改善原住民族語言推
動組織之需求、(八)原住民族語言推動現況與預算執行檢討、(九)如何制定保障土地與居住權益
之「原住民族土地使用規則（草案）」、(十)國土計畫法施行後部落自有住宅合法化推動規劃、
(十一)部落聯絡道路養護及預算不足之辦理情形、(十二)如何協助原鄉公所基礎設施預算不足之
困境、(十三)原住民族家庭服務中心轉型規劃辦理情形、(十四)如何精進原住民族文化健康站並
落實老幼共學政策、(十五)原住民族電視臺及廣播電臺之各職類薪資待遇暨升遷制度及人才培育
規劃；二、審查委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十條之一條文草
案」案。（僅詢答） |
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主席：各位委員有請這個先從這個中﹚ 姚博書鴻好我們請中規處的處長﹚ 姚博書鴻副主委沒有來只好找處長﹚ 姚博書鴻好我們看這個今天人民會的報告 |
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這個特別提到這個已經列了很多次了原住民族自治期法到這個原住民族自治法到這個原住民族自治暫行條例從程序性立法到實質性立法到階段性立法人民會的報告寫了很多的這個已經寫也不止一次了這個它的困難度 |
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但是呢,很重要的就是, 原民會從105年編列這個原住民族自治的預算從105年到113年到今年了, 總共已經編列了3639萬8千元, 名字名高, 真的非常非常的可惜 |
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人民會的報告今天現階段本會遵循蔡英文總統才是方向已經改了105年的8月1號蔡總統承諾我們會很快的將原住民族自治法送到立法院我不知道什麼時候改的因為你這邊沒有寫時間了怎麼了 |
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重來抱歉抱歉沒關係我們暫停時間一下怎麼會我們請議事人員麻煩協助處理謝謝從頭從頭我沒有按這變成別人的 |
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這個110年3月12號110年蘇貞昌在答詢本席的質詢的時候他特別提到 |
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對於制定原住民族自治法書院長答覆我會分流立法承諾分流立法已經三年多了到現在還沒有看到所謂的分流立法的草案到現在就算蔡總統剛才講的這個也要提出法律案了也要提出法律案 |
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你提出來那根不足那個主委報告我們要趕快送所以也沒有我們看陳總統陳水扁總統的時候提了三次程序性的立法未獲原住民主委的立委的支持這邊打錯了未獲原住民的立委的支持馬英九總統 |
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第一個83條的原住民族自治法草案實質性的立法後來第二項的時候提出原住民族自治暫行條例草案階段性的立法這個階段性立法其實就是分流立法了其實就是分流立法好原住民族自治法的草案在 |
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一百年立法院內政委員會當時我們的高金素美委員就在內政委員會審查完成了這個原住民族自治法的草案行政院版還有五黨團結聯盟所提出的黨團版林鄭二委員孔文吉委員所提出來的然後經過草野協商 |
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五次草野協商五次草野協商在一百年六月十三號草野協商的版本送到院會本案應上代協商做以下結論協商結論提出因為沒有完成協商為什麼沒有完成協商高津素美委員在這邊五黨團結聯盟有簽字國民黨黨團有簽字 |
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為另外一個黨團那時候就有三個黨團另外一個黨團不簽字101年立法委員原住民的六還是不放棄再送院會一樣協商後再行處理因為還是沒有簽字還沒有簽字好這個就是整個 |
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從99年12月23、27、29內政委員會很辛苦的審查然後再召開5次的黨團協商就是沒有簽字民進黨團不簽字所以就沒有通過很可惜真的很可惜所以這個有什麼使用有時候要跟政務官講我要拋棄政黨的我們要以原住民族為第一優先要這樣 |
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好我們看這個暫行條例原住民族暫行條例原住民族自治暫行條例那時候本席已經當立法委員從第8屆開始高金素美委員也在場我們把這個很認真的暫行條例原住民族自治暫行條例行政院版本我們把它改為原住民族自治推動條例這個就是階段性立法 |
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也就是所謂的朱貞昌院長所講的分流立法但是呢很可惜那時候被罵得一塌糊塗啊沒有土地、沒有經費、沒有財政但是如果我們仔細看這個 亞伯師傅未來你下次齁把這個條文啊給主委看啊非常大的條文啊 |
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雖然沒有土地有啊還是有土地啊原住民族土地及自然資源的管理耶自然保育的管理都有啊所以這個部分啊很可惜啊真的是很可惜好你看財務協商我們都簽字了高興樹莓也有簽字鄭天才我代理主持了張勁忠啊 |
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原住民族土地使用管理規則管理規則草案 |
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未移原住民族土地這個就是一個陷阱雖然你的說明雖然你的說明雖然有寫包含你以前傳統你調查那個部分但是實際上在執行的時候內政部就會告訴你這個不行啊你的這個只是說明啊你看你的草案第5條也是未移原住民族土地上 |
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原住民族土地建壁力、容積力到時候內政部會怎麼去打臉包括別的部會他就拿出你的法律、法規原住民族土地 |
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化設辦法原住民族土地是傳統領域跟既有的原住民保育地原住民族傳統領域土地是公有土地你就被形同形同這個條文就形同膝射了這公有土地我們怎麼能我們原來蓋的房子怎麼能夠沒有辦法合法啊因為這公有土地啊對不對然後再私有土地的不算啊就會產生這個問題所以我的建議 |
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就把它定在條文裡面我們就直接定在條文什麼呢部落的範圍裡面的私有土地部落範圍裡面的私有土地不限於原住民保留地包含平地原住民部落的範圍裡面的私有土地把它寫清楚因為這個規則齁這個規則跟這個辦法是平行的就可以排除它 |
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就不會有這樣的一個陷阱。 |
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委員剛剛講那個都對啦那我的意思是說我們跟國土署協調是以屬人主義啦是原住民身份的就會有這樣的一個權益這個也是我們擔心說如果原住民身份未來土地如果不是原保地不是這個他會不會轉嫁到飛遠的身上這個是我們考慮的所以現在剛剛委員講那個依照我們現在討論的這個方向是不太容易發生我的意思是這樣那如果委員覺得說這樣子不是很很周全的話那我們再考慮再跟國土署再看一定要一定要 |
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好,我們接下來請那個這個原住民族學校法這個教文處我們請教文處處長還有那個教文處先來好原住民族學校法第15條規定的原住民族教育法第15條規定的很清楚要另以法律定制就立法就提出草案為什麼呢你不要等什麼什麼什麼還沒有 |
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我們回顧民國五十七年民國五十七年國民政府時代被現在的法律稱為威權統治時期民國五十七年國民義務教育要到九年六年變九年國中那時候老師不足照樣推行 |
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老實不足照樣推行何況這麼多年幾十年了之後我們資質不足嗎太足了我們的資料不足嗎太足了我們原住民族學院已經推動那麼多年了所以最起碼你法律提出草案然後呢你可以等什麼時候的時候什麼時候執行執行而另遊行者認定是也可以啊 |
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112年臺北高等行政法院的判決 |
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單列原住民族傳統名字可用羅馬拼音原住民族文字法院最高法院判決勝訴這裡面以了憲法還有相關的這些我們很多的大法官的解釋人權先也引用了什麼呢?原住民族語言發展法第一條的第一句話就是本席所堅持的提出來的原住民族語言是國家語言 |
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因為這一計畫所以行政法院臺北高等行政法院引用了然後做了解釋所以就判決勝訴這個法律整個論述非常清楚有時間的時候好好看這裡面我在112年11月9號質詢的內政部部長我說居然最高法院判決了 |
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你協調新北市政府不要上訴還好新北市政府沒有上訴然後我當初要求內政部部長既然法院判決了就解釋可以依法來解釋所以這個部分負責主管的部分趕快辦理解釋 |
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跟委員報告就是上個禮拜行政院有找本會跟內政部針對這部分對就是趕快解釋那之後我們會尋解釋的方式去處理這件事情好那個教研處還有那個馬來西亞國務卿這個足以AI技術系統的研發這個部分我們原住民族語言發展法第10條規定的函數要調查什麼相關的足以能力的提升 |
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本席也召開過協調會在去年的6月8號跟7月7號召開兩次協調會主與AI語音即時翻譯系統協調會這個部分你們也在進行的原民會跟這個以發基金會所以這個部分要繼續努力要加油主與教師部組、原民會、教文處還有以發會 |
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立法基金會現在學前教育12年國教都要主語教學但是我們的主語教師嚴重不足這個是怎麼說的111年8月22號的文我每次都質詢教育部部長還是切爾300多人非常非常的可惜 |
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所以這個也是一個就業的機會所以這個部委開過協調會所以你們要加強的來去落實就開班了補習班了那個那個叫什麼 |
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936.953 |
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中高級通過的願意當族裔老師的就考高級族裔教研習班訓練班這個部分要去推動所以這個部分是一個需要去加強的部分那另外就是說今天今天的那個今天等一下要審查的研究法這個20條之一 |
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940.233 |
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963.427 |
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本席為了這個我早上有提到的一個老先生八十幾歲八十幾歲那個圖管處圖管處上來我寫了四次寫信給以將主委為了這個案子這個美莊你有沒有看過這封信 |
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寫了四次,四封信不同時間寫的喔?很可惜,就這樣被判決,你看判決有期徒刑,這老先生八十幾歲就這樣過世,原來是怎麼樣?根本就弄錯了 |
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981.701 |
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1004.194 |
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法官弄錯檢察官弄錯也沒有會去有去喔你沒有去喔也沒有好好的去指導這些法官我們有跟那個法官講說這不是山坡地方當時還是被判他那個是侵佔的不是不是不是你錯了他用山坡地方你錯了你錯了我看了這個判決書看得很清楚 |
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1005.097 |
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1010.04 |
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原住民族保留地管理利用條例什麼時候會通過不知道請問一下你們有送給行政院了嗎這一屆 |
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1034.016 |
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1048.51 |
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我們現在準備把草案整理完以後我們會送對嘛還沒有送嘛所以這個部分我們就先通過這個研究法第20條之一以上謝謝好非常謝謝鄭天才委員的質詢謝謝 |