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149218 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149218 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
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1 |
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| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-04T10:39:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-04T10:47:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:14 |
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| 委員名稱 |
邱若華 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:39:19 - 10:47:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員吳澤成列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月4日、6日及7日三天一次會】） |
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邱委員若華：（10時39分）主席好、主委好，有請主委。 |
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主席：請吳主委。 |
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吳主任委員澤成：委員你好。 |
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邱委員若華：你好。主委，113年公共建設經費持續增加，國發會今年2月26號的時候也表示過，2024年整體公共建設預算近7,800億，創歷年新高。請問主委，工程會如何協處強化監督管理機制，以提高執行成效，確實掌握工程進度狀況，如何精進與各部會合作，持續監督相關準備作業及動工前的相關準備工作，以利後續建設之推展？ |
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吳主任委員澤成：謝謝委員的指教。歷年來公共工程經費的額度大概在6,000億到7,000億這個額度範圍內，每一年我們在年度一開始就會要求各機關提出執行的進度計畫，我們會加以列管、追蹤，一方面提醒他們事先應該注意什麼事情，避免後面的執行遭遇到問題，比方用地要先解決等等，針對一些困難的問題，像請照等等要先完成，然後按照實際的執行需要去編列它的預算，它一旦有落後，我們會加以追蹤、督促，並協調解決問題。 |
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邱委員若華：好，瞭解。全國推動的公共建設，加上民間興建大大小小的工程，目前工程量能足夠嗎？像是公務人員、政府工程專業人員的量能能夠處理這麼多案件嗎？ |
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吳主任委員澤成：目前看起來，大型的工程比較會有廠商胃納量的問題，比方捷運，固定的就是那幾家，萬一繼續推的話，它就會流標，然後就會一直產生在那邊循環。在中小型工程，從發包的結果跟歷年的執行看起來還可以。 |
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邱委員若華：還可以？ |
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吳主任委員澤成：是。 |
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邱委員若華：OK。主委您提到流標，工程會改善政府工程流標的情況做得如何？ |
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吳主任委員澤成：關於流標的問題，我們很認真的對個案，連我自己都在主持檢討，已經開過三百多場的檢討會議，我們檢討起來，其實是有物價波動還有勞工的問題，確實是這個趨勢存在，但它還不至於影響到公共工程的推動，所以機關本身的作為就很重要，比方編列預算有沒有依照市場價格編列、工期有沒有合理，甚至於招標文件裡面有一些不合理的現象，例如綁標等等，這一些我們都要求他們去改善之後，最後終能夠順利。像我們在上個年度，112年度的達成率達到96.21%，也算可以順利。 |
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邱委員若華：主委您也提到原物料還有缺工的問題，重大工程面臨物料上漲，還有原物料供應短缺、缺工問題，這影響到工期能否如原先計畫時程，還有預算是否追加，以及廠商有沒有這個能力能夠繼續興建，請問主委工程會的積極因應之道，還有對於去年與之前發生的原物料供應短缺、營建人力缺工等影響到公共工程進行，已經做了哪些對策，成效如何？ |
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吳主任委員澤成：我們都從流標的狀況，個案分別去瞭解，甚至於協調、指導機關怎麼樣去做調整，這樣一執行之後，我們目前來看，狀況還算好。 |
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邱委員若華：狀況還算好？那麼缺工的部分，跨部會要如何共同解決？ |
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吳主任委員澤成：缺工的部分，早期對公共工程的缺工，不引進外勞，主要還是要用本勞，我們三十幾萬的勞工在營建市場，那麼缺工的部分，我們引進外籍勞工，最早以前才4,000個人，顯然不夠，現在我們經過跟勞動部協調，已經增加到一萬多到兩萬的外籍勞工，可以補足這一塊，那算可以順利。 |
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邱委員若華：好。在業務報告中提及主動協處公建計畫，包含掌控部會、計畫、工程標案執行狀況，提早發現問題，及時協處解決，並定期檢討執行成果。請問主委可否具體說明相關的實際作為？ |
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吳主任委員澤成：好，關於這個部分，我覺得在機關，提醒他們很重要，比方我們在中央部會的列管來看，衛福部一直都在落後，我們就發現它有兩個問題，一個是對於補助型的工程，它先核定了計畫跟經費，結果地方還要再去編地方配合款，還要再去做設計、請照，這個年度內根本不可能執行這些工程。所以我們就要求，請衛福部分兩階段，你要給它先核定，但錢不要先列，它可以去做那一些先期的工作。另外一類就是大型工程，大型工程在土地還沒有取得，它就編預算，或者是還沒有做耐震評估就加以編列預算，所以它預算就執行不出去，同樣應該要先核下去，讓它先進行那一些先期的作業，然後再核經費給它去發包施工，這樣來改善。 |
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邱委員若華：是，主委您提到地方，各縣市已經動工或是正在爭取核定興建的公共建設計畫非常多，以桃園為例，本席來自桃園，桃園改制為直轄市之後，為了加速都市發展，持續推動了很多非常重大的建設，像是上週五3月1日傍晚的時候，行政院有核定通過捷運龜山棕線可行性研究以及綜合規劃報告，接下來也會進入發包作業，上週五本席極力爭取的捷運三鶯線延伸至八德段的綜合規劃報告，也獲得交通部審查通過了，後續將進入行政院審議階段。請問主委，如何協助地方民眾期盼已久，還有對解決交通生活等問題，促進地方發展的重大建設如期如質的完成？ |
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吳主任委員澤成：這些捷運線經過可行性核定之後，後續還要做規劃設計，再發包施工，我們會提醒市政府這邊後續做規劃設計時，怎麼樣預先考量的問題，讓它不至於發生後面的流標，讓它能夠順利進行，我們會主動來跟他們協助。 |
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邱委員若華：您說到預先考量，怎麼樣做預先考量？ |
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吳主任委員澤成：比方價格必須要務實來編列，比方它的量體、用地必須要解決，然後人家才敢進來施工、標案，所以這個都有關係的。 |
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邱委員若華：好，謝謝主委。 |
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吳主任委員澤成：謝謝。 |
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主席：邱委員發言完畢，我們現在休息。 |
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休息（10時47分） |
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繼續開會（11時5分） |
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邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員吳澤成列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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主席好、主委好、有請主委請吳主委 |
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委員你好主委113年公共建設經費持續增加國發會今年2月26號的時候也表示過2024年整體公共建設預算近7800億創立年薪高請問主委工程會如何協助強化監督管理機制以提高 |
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執行成效．確實掌握工程進度狀況．如何精進與各部會合作．持續監督相關準備作業．及動工前的相關準備工作．以利後續建設之推載 |
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謝謝委員的處教那麼我們一年來這個公共工程的經費的合度大概在6000到7000億這個合度範圍內那麼每一年我們在一年度一開始就會要求各機關提出執行的這個進度計畫然後我們會加以列管 |
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那麼追蹤如果有這一個一方面提醒他們事先應該注意什麼事情避免後面的執行遭遇到問題比方說用地要先解決等等那麼一些困難的問題像請照等等要先完成那麼然後按照實際的執行需要去編列他的預算 |
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一旦有落後,我們會加以追蹤、督促、協調解決問題 |
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目前看起來大型的工程比較會有廠商的未納量的問題 |
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工程會改善政府工程流標的情況做得如何? |
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那劉標的問題我們很認真的在對個案連我自己都在主持這個檢討已經開過300多場的檢討會議那我們檢討起來其實是有這個 |
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委員會主任委員 |
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你編列預算有沒有依照市場價格編列你的這個供期有沒有合理還有甚至於有一些這個招標文件裡面有一些不合理的現象例如綁標等等這些我們都要求他們去改善之後那麼最後終能夠順利我們像我們在這個上個年度112的達成率達到96.21% |
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委員會主任委員會 |
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影建能力缺工等影響到公共工程進行那已經做了哪些對策那成效如何我們都從流標的這個狀況、個案分別去了解甚至於協調、主導機關怎麼樣去做調整那麼這樣一執行之後我們目前來看那狀況還算好 |
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缺工的部分,跨部會要如何共同解決?缺工的部分早期對公共工程的這個缺工不引進這個外勞那只要還是要用變勞我們三十幾萬的勞工在營建市場 |
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286.089 |
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304.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
缺工的部分我們引進外籍勞工其實現在最早以前才4000個人現在不夠現在我們經過跟勞動部協調已經增加到1萬多到2萬的外籍勞工可以補足這一塊算可以順利 |
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306.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
316.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
在業務報告中提及到的主動協處工件計畫提及掌控部會還有計畫工程標案執行狀況提早發現問題及時協處解決並定期檢討執行成果請問主委可否具體說明相關的實際作為 |
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325.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
325.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
委員會主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
343.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
357.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
補助型的工程他先給他核定了這個計畫跟經費結果地方還要再去編地方配合款還要再去做設計請照所以這個年度內根本不可能執行這些工程 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
358.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
375.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
所以我們就要求請衛福部分兩階段你要給他先核定但錢不要先列他可以去做那一些先起的工作那另外一類就是大型工程那大型工程的話土地還沒有取得他去編預算 |
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376.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
376.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
﹚邱若華 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
394.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
419.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
主委您提到地方各縣市已經動工或是正在爭取合併興建的公共建設計畫非常多以桃園為例本席來自桃園桃園改置為直轄市之後為了加速都市發展持續推動了很多非常重大的建設像是上週五3月1日傍晚的時候行政院有合併通過接應龜山中線可行性研究還有綜合規劃報告接下來也會進入發包作業 |
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422.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
446.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
上週五本席捷運已爭取的捷運三陰線延伸至八德的階段的綜合規劃報告也獲得交通部審查通過了後續將進入行政院審議階段請問主委如何協助地方民眾期盼已久還有對解決交通生活等問題促進地方發展的重大建設如期如值的完成 |
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447.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
469.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
他經過這些捷運線經過可行性核定之後後續還要做規劃設計在發包施工我們會來提醒那麼這個市政府這邊後續做規劃設計的時候怎麼樣預先考量的問題讓他不注意後面的流標讓他能夠順利進行我們會主動來跟他們協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
471.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
490.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
您說到的預先考量像是可以就是預先考量價格必須要務實來編列比方說他的量體用地必須要解決然後人家才敢來進來施工標案這個都有關係的OK好謝謝主委好謝謝 |