| IVOD_ID |
17809 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17809 |
| 日期 |
2026-11-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2026110345 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
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經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-11-06T12:00:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-11-06T13:21:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:20:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2026-11-06T12:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院朝野黨團協商（事由：(一)本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「產業創新條例第三十條條文修正草案」，請審議案。(二)本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」，請審議案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
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1965.74 |
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1967.74 |
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好 |
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1970.2 |
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1974.2 |
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學生進行前我先介紹 |
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1974.81 |
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1977.81 |
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好我先介紹道場委員號跟機關代表 |
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1978.52 |
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1982.52 |
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首先是民進黨鍾嘉斌委員 |
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1982.52 |
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1983.52 |
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我依序好謝謝 |
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1983.52 |
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1985.52 |
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然後鄭政前委員 |
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1985.52 |
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1986.52 |
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謝謝趙委 |
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1986.52 |
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1988.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
然後洪玉祥委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
1988.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
1989.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
1989.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
1994.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
那今天來機關代表有國發會主任委員葉俊賢 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
1994.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
1995.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
1997.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2000.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
國家發展基金管理會執行秘書汪廷安 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
2000.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2001.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
2001.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2002.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2002.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2005.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
國家發展委員會法治協調處處長楊淑玲 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
2005.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2006.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2006.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2009.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
經營部財政發展署主任秘書李淳孝 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
2009.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2010.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2010.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2014.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
財政部國庫署檢認機和蔡慧玲 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2016.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2019.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
好謝謝法務部參事廖江縣 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2019.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2020.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2022.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2028.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
那今天的協商經營院會決定自經濟跟財政兩個委員會抽出進一步二讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2028.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2031.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
並由台灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2031.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2036.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
那台灣民眾黨團所擬具之產業創新條例第三十條的修 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2036.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2041.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
條文的修正草案以及產業創新條例部分條文的修正草案兩案 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2041.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2044.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
那我們現在開始進行協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2044.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2046.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那是不是以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2046.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2048.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
台灣民眾黨團提出的修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2049.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2051.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
為討論的版本基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2051.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2054.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
然後再請各位委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2056.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2058.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2058.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2061.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
好那一開始我們是第29條 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2061.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2065.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
那是第一輪好請這個洪委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2065.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2070.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
好那一二的話呢我們今天的話就是有跟這個國發會在討論過 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2070.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2075.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
所以也就是說在這個委員會我們有討論過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2075.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2079.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
所以我們就是用這個我們的修正條文的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2079.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2084.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
那另外的話呢我們也建議就是把國發會的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2084.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2088.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
希望這個法案的修正的一個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2088.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2092.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
這兩個看是不是列入這樣子的並在一起討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2093.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2095.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
不非今天有書面資料嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2095.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2099.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
不然就是我請你們發給這個國委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2099.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2101.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
都拿到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2104.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2106.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
都拿到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2106.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2108.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
那第29條應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2109.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2111.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
有其他委員發言嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2111.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2113.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
我們現在就進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2113.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2115.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
我同意沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2115.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2117.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
沒有意見好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2118.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2120.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
那就遵照修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2120.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2122.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
我現在是以修正動議這個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2122.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2124.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
我討論基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2125.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2127.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
那第29條就是文字等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2127.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2129.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2129.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2131.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
修正機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2131.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2133.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
再表 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2132.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2136.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
那我們就是照民眾黨團所提修正動議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2136.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2138.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
好第29條 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2138.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2142.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
那我們就依照民眾黨團所提的修正動議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2142.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2144.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2145.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2147.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
接下來第30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
2148.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2154.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
第30條的話我看完跟國發會的修正的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
2154.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2160.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
那因為國發會他把這個我們那個第三項裡面那個範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
2160.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2164.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
因為原本我們的修正但是企業虧損之紓困 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
2164.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2166.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
那他改成企業紓困 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
2166.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2171.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
那第二點投資企業生產活動本黨團的版本是中國大陸之企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
2171.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2174.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
他改成位於大陸地區之企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
2174.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
2176.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
那我們就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
2177.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
2181.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
就是認同這個國發會的一個修正的一個版本這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
2182.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
2184.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
中委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
2184.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
2186.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
政委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
2186.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
2188.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
2190.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
2194.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
那我們就按照國發會的建議條文通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
2196.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
2199.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
好我們現在進行第30條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
2199.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
2202.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
好第30條之一的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
2202.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
2206.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
我們的修正的一個動議的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
2206.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
2210.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
主要的話是根據這個原本 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
2210.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
2215.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
這個他們的一個國際基金管理條例的細節辦法把它訂出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
2215.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
2221.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
那現在的話也就是說在人員招聘之12345678 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
2222.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2224.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
在第八項的後 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
2224.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
2228.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
第八條的這個後面學者專家人4人之6人 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
2228.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2232.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
有立法院各政黨團依其席次比例推薦之 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
2232.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2235.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
每一黨團至少應有一人 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
2235.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
2238.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
那前項第八塊你的學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2238.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2241.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
那麼聘期是兩年期滿的續聘之 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
2241.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2244.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
那等於就是把我們那個操作的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
2244.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2247.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
管理辦法把它放到這裡來 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
2247.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
2248.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
那這裡頭的話呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
2248.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
2253.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
主要我們這邊增加的就是受指派代理出席的適當人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
2253.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2256.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
不得已出席為了三分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2256.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2260.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
因為有一些機關首長的這樣的出席率太低 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
2260.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2263.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
所以他指派的我們不希望太多的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2263.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2266.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
沒有表達意見的去參與這樣的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2266.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2268.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
那另外的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2268.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2272.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
其中有一個是我們管理會議的記錄因主動公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
2272.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2276.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
這是以上我們的這個修正動議的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2276.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2280.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
那因為國發會的這個修正條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2280.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2281.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
跟我們差比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
2281.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
2286.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
是不是可以請國發會說明一下他們的修正的一個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
2286.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
2287.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
第30條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
2287.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
2289.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
好請國發會發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
2296.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
2298.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
主席還有各位委員大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
2298.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
2302.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
那對於這一條我們會建議就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
2302.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
2307.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
本次修法新增政黨推薦參與制立法議席 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
2307.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
2309.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
那國發會予以尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
2309.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
2314.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
但是為了使推薦專家學者管道能有更多元 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
2314.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
2319.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
那是不是可以建議保留行政機關的學者專家推薦名額 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
2319.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
2326.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
以黨團推薦人數不低於總委員總數1%為原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
2326.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
2328.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
那建議條文內容如附 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
2334.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
2338.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
那好請各黨團代表發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
2338.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
2344.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
首先這一個的話我想是這個就第一個部分就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
2344.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
2349.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
國發會的修正就是由國家發展委員主任委員兼任 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
2349.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
2352.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
我現在看的是國發會的修正條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
2352.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
2355.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
那他的話其中一人副召集經濟部長兼任 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
2355.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
2359.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
其餘的行政院長就中央主管首長跟學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
2359.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
2361.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
四資六人派聘兼職 |
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2361.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
2367.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
那這個是比原本的管理辦法把各部會首長都訂出來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
2367.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
2370.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
這個東西的彈性會比較小 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
2370.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
2374.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
那我可以認同國發會前面這一段的一個修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
2376.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
2380.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
另外的話呢因為之前在這個我們委員會討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
2380.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
2382.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
中嘉賓委員也發言就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
2382.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
2385.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
因為如果黨團數超過幾個的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
2385.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
2387.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
那這個人數越來越多也不是很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
2387.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
2391.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
所以國發會的這個條文的修正就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
2391.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
2395.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
在第二項這邊前項學者專家那個中間就不念 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
2395.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
2400.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
那最後就是每一黨團至少應有推薦委員一人 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
2400.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
2403.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
那我覺得這樣子的東西也有反映出這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
2403.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
2407.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
比如說黨團黨代表的一個效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
2407.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
2412.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
所以這個我也可以認同國發會的這樣的修正的一個條文 |
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2413.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
2417.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
然後後面的話其中有一個不一樣是 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
2417.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
2419.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
管理會的會議紀錄因主動公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
2419.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
2422.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
因為他是把它挪到你那個是挪到第一 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
2424.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
2425.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
對幾條? |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
2426.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
2427.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
30條至5嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
2427.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
2429.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
所以他有原保留我們的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
2429.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
2431.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
然後挪到30條至5去了 |
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2431.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
2434.07 |
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所以我30條至1的話 |
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2434.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
2440.07 |
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我是可以接受國發會這樣子的修正的一個條文的版本這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
2442.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
2444.17 |
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這樣好不好既然有部分挪到30條至5 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
2444.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
2446.17 |
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是不是我們30條至5一併處理好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
2446.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
2448.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
30條至5一併放進來看 |
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2448.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
2450.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
這樣才完整嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
2450.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
2454.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
好那我們現在一邊看第30條之語 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
2457.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
2461.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
好30條至5的話主要是在於是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
2461.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
2465.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
因為這個國發基金的一個收支比例等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
2465.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
2467.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
管理會的市股的一個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
2467.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
2473.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
在當時的話也就是說我們要全程的錄音錄影妥善的一個保存 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
2473.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
2477.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
那製作會議的詳實的紀錄等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
2477.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
2480.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
那前項詳實紀錄是會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
2480.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
2482.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
會議錄音錄影的意義封存 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
2482.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
2486.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
經管理機關或管理會的一個同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
2486.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
2488.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
使得拆封查閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
2488.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
2493.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
當立法院調查委員會調查專案所依法行使職權的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
2493.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
2494.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
不再此限 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
2494.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
2499.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
也就是說我們並不是要去把這個審查委員的意見公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
2499.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
2502.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
然後只是說有需要的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
2502.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
2503.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
對不對我們再公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
2503.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
2509.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
那這個可不可以再請國發會說明一下你們這個30條至5的修正的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
2511.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
2513.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
30條至5這個部分就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
2513.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
2519.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
國發基金現行管理會評審會市股政策評估會等 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
2519.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
2525.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
會議都已經有全程錄音並製作會議紀錄妥善保存 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
2525.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
2530.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
並沒有資料不提以致難以釐清權責之情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
2530.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
2536.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
那管理會的任務包含投資案件的審定 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
2536.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
2540.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
若有投資案件未通過管理會核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
2540.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
2543.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
主動公開管理會會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
2543.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
2548.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
恐怕會影響該企業投資人後續增資的信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
2548.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
2550.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
增加投資的困難度 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
2550.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
2553.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
對企業造成負面的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
2553.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
2556.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
一些建議著修條文就如復 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
2557.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
2559.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
好所以你有維持原本的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
2559.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
2563.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
就是你有完全的全程錄音錄影保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
2563.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
2567.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
但是如果將來比如說有調查的必要的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
2567.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
2569.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
是得以這樣子的公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
2573.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
2578.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
對對對就是按照我們那個時候之前的那個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
2578.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
2581.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
OK好這樣我可以接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
2581.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
2583.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
兩位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
2583.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
2585.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
2591.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
2593.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
民眾黨這邊是不是也同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
2594.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
2596.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
3030條之5 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
2599.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
2601.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
按你按你你看30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
2601.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
2603.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
OK好OK好 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
2603.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
2606.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
30條之5我也覺得可以接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
2606.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
2609.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
既然看到30條之5是不是3條知識就在旁邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
2609.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
2611.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
我看這更多的陳述很小 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
2611.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
2613.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
只有前5年3年5年 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
2613.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
2615.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
要不要說一併說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
2617.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
2619.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
那請國發先說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
2619.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
2621.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
那30條知識這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
2621.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
2625.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
因為全序不已經在114年12月12日 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
2625.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
2630.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
韓市將投資行為納入公務員服務法的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
2630.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
2633.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
國發基金的專職人員已適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
2633.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
2638.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
通過的這個旋轉門條款以及起韓韓市這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
2638.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
2640.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
那提案內內容比 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
2640.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
2642.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
就原就原本的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
2642.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
2646.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
提案內容是比較擴大那個旋轉門條款的 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
2646.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
2648.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
對象跟範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
2648.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
2650.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
那這邊是不是建議是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
2650.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
2653.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
審著公正聯名之重要公益 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
2653.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
2657.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
與人民選擇職業自由兼的平衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
2657.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
2661.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
那回歸公務員服務法第16條的規定辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
2661.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
2663.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
那建議修正入附 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
2664.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
2666.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
這一點請 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
2666.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
2670.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
這個就是我們把原本我們的離職5年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
2670.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
2675.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
然後配合旋轉門現在那個全序不的條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
2675.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
2679.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
改成是配合全序不的那個韓市 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
2679.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
2681.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
變成是3年 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
2681.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
2683.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
然後第二個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
2683.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
2687.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
任職期間自洗他人名義等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
2687.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
2689.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
這一塊就是穿著我們的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
2692.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
2694.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
兩項兩年新洗又進去好 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
2694.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
2697.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
那這樣子我可以同意這樣子的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
2698.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
2699.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
2699.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
2701.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
政委員沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
2703.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
2705.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
我們再回到剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
2709.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
2710.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
30條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
2710.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
2713.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
那個因為剛剛洪委員有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
2713.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
2715.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
我之前在審查會的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
2715.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
2717.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
我還是要表達一下在委員會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
2717.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
2719.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
因為這個是個數學的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
2719.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
2722.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
因為我們目前委員是11人到13人 |
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那麼一人為召集人 |
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2727.51 |
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這個是由主任委員兼任這個不用動 |
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就是剩下的12人 |
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2734.51 |
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那我們在第三第二項說 |
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2737.51 |
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各黨團推薦的總人數 |
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2739.51 |
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不得少於總數1% |
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如果以13人來講 |
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2742.51 |
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總人數就要5個 |
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2742.75 |
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2743.75 |
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那這5個當中 |
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2743.75 |
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2745.75 |
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每一黨團要再推薦1個 |
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2745.75 |
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2746.75 |
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那時候我就提到 |
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2746.75 |
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2748.75 |
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你這樣子如果立法院有5個黨團 |
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2750.14 |
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2751.14 |
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那就 |
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2751.91 |
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2754.91 |
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當然我們知道就是黨團的規模有大有小 |
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2757.91 |
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我們當然知道民眾黨團的體育是因為 |
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2757.91 |
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2759.91 |
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要對於規模較小的黨團 |
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2759.91 |
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2761.91 |
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還是有最少的一個保障 |
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2761.91 |
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2764.91 |
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但是基於總額就這麼多的情況之下 |
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2764.91 |
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2765.91 |
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你要是未來 |
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2765.91 |
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2768.91 |
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我們立法院過去黨團有4個黨團 |
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2768.91 |
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2770.91 |
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那如果大家4個黨團會怎麼分配 |
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2771.23 |
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2772.23 |
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就 |
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2773.04 |
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2775.04 |
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3席的政黨1席推薦1個 |
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2775.04 |
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2777.04 |
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5席的政黨推薦1個 |
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2777.04 |
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2778.04 |
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然後呢 |
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2778.04 |
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2782.04 |
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4、50席的當政黨1個推薦2個 |
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2782.04 |
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2783.04 |
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1個推薦1個 |
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2783.04 |
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2786.04 |
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那你會讓50幾席的跟40幾席的政黨 |
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2786.04 |
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2788.04 |
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在第10屆的時候 |
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2789.04 |
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政委員也在嘛 |
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2789.73 |
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2792.73 |
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對一個是推薦2個一個推薦1個對不對 |
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2792.73 |
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2795.73 |
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是50席的推薦2個40席的跟 |
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2796.59 |
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2798.59 |
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5席的跟3席的都各推薦1個 |
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2799.35 |
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2801.35 |
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那這種情況之下 |
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2803.35 |
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也真的讓人家很傷腦筋 |
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2803.35 |
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2805.35 |
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所以是不是這個再想一下 |
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2805.35 |
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2807.35 |
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我們看看有沒有在什麼 |
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2807.35 |
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2809.35 |
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比較兩邊可以兼顧的方式 |
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2809.35 |
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2811.35 |
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我是認同說民眾黨 |
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2811.35 |
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2813.35 |
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基於說政黨的規模 |
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2813.35 |
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2815.35 |
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我們還是要有一個保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
2815.35 |
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2816.35 |
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但是怎麼樣去表達 |
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2816.35 |
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2818.35 |
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也不會讓其他的政黨覺得 |
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2818.35 |
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2819.35 |
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吃了很大的虧 |
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2819.35 |
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2821.35 |
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是不是我們先把那個 |
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2821.35 |
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2823.35 |
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另外有什麼30條資深也先看一下 |
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2823.35 |
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2824.35 |
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好不好 |
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2824.35 |
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2825.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
我們要想想看 |
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2826.08 |
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2829.08 |
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這樣嗎 這樣的政政行為你代表第一大黨 |
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2829.08 |
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2832.08 |
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你也可以思考一下就是說 |
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2833.8 |
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2835.8 |
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總結不在民進黨 |
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2835.8 |
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2836.8 |
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是國民黨 |
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2836.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
2838.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
我們兩個我們一個都差很多 |
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2838.8 |
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2840.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
他們兩個我們一個 |
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2840.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
2841.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
用代表性來說是 |
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2842.41 |
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2845.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
這個問題其實就是很難解 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
2845.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
2848.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
因為這個目前這樣的一個條款 |
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2848.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
2851.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
適合現在就是立法院的生態 |
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2851.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
2853.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
第11屆的生態 |
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2853.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
2854.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
那第12屆的生態 |
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2854.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
2856.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
不知道會變成怎麼樣子 |
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2856.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
2858.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
所以鍾嘉斌委員講的那狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
2858.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
2859.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
其實就有可能會發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
2859.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
2860.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
不過我在想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
2860.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
2863.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
保障每一個就是政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
2863.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
2865.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
他推薦的人這件事情是 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
2865.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
2867.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
我覺得應該是肯定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
2867.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
2868.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
那第二個狀態就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
2868.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
2869.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
因為他畢竟是 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
2869.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
2871.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
國發基金的委員這個部分 |
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2871.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
2873.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
我相信如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
2873.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
2877.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
各政黨基於專業在推薦人的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
2877.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
2879.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
因為國發基金這個委員本來就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
2879.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
2880.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
希望說能夠減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
2880.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
2882.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
就是政治的一些影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
2882.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
2884.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
就專業度來講的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
2884.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
2885.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
那我在想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
2885.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
2886.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
如果還想不出來 |
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2886.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
2888.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
最好的一個方式的時候 |
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2888.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
2889.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
我覺得這樣子的版本 |
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2889.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
2890.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
我覺得是可以接受的 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
2892.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
2893.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
主席要不要我們先從 |
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2893.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
2895.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
其他有爭議的像30條之3 |
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2895.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
2896.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
我再想想看 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
2896.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
2898.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
其實我認為對於 |
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2898.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
2900.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
規模大小不同的政黨 |
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2900.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
2901.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
都應該考量到他們的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
2901.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
2902.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
這個我認同 |
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2902.28 |
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2904.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
那是不是我們30條之3看一下 |
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2904.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
2905.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
我看文字很少嘛 |
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2907.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
2910.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
我們等於就先大體看過一次 |
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2910.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
2912.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
30條之3 |
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2912.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
2915.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
那個30條之3的話 |
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2915.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
2917.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
我是比較堅持 |
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2917.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
2919.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
因為這一個 |
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2919.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
2920.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
不是 |
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2920.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
2922.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
因為這個地方是等於是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
2922.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
2924.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
我們是主要是這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
2924.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
2925.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
參與投資 |
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2925.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
2927.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
我們是把這個第一階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
2927.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
2928.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
第二階段 |
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2928.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
2931.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
這個是原本國發基金的一個辦法 |
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2931.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
2932.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
那只不過是說 |
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2932.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
2934.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
在這裡頭的這個辦法 |
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2934.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
2936.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
其實都行之有年 |
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2936.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
2938.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
1234這幾個都沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
2938.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
2940.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
現在我們只是加了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
2940.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
2942.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
人像投資署第30條 |
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2942.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
2945.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
制第一項第5款的投資者 |
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2945.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
2947.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
除申請能提出投資申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
2947.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
2949.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
跟投資計畫書 |
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2949.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
2951.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
中央目的事業主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
2951.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
2953.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
應並提出報告 |
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2953.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
2955.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
並提出這個評估的報告 |
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2963.59 |
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2964.59 |
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民眾 |
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2965.59 |
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2967.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
民眾黨團的這個第一 |
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2967.59 |
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2969.59 |
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30條之5嗎 |
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2969.9 |
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2971.9 |
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30條之3 |
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2975.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
2977.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
倒數第二項 |
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2977.14 |
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2979.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
沒有這是那個國發會的 |
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2979.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
2981.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
這是修正動議 |
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2981.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
2983.14 |
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民眾黨修正動議 |
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2983.68 |
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2985.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
我們現在就來看看 |
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2985.68 |
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2987.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
我們現在就來看看 |
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2987.68 |
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2989.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
我們現在就來看看 |
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2989.68 |
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2991.68 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
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2991.68 |
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2993.68 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
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2993.68 |
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2995.68 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
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2995.68 |
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2997.68 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
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2997.68 |
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2999.68 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
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2999.68 |
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3001.68 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
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3001.68 |
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3003.68 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
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3003.68 |
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3005.68 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
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3005.68 |
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3007.68 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
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3007.68 |
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3009.68 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
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3009.68 |
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3011.68 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
2984.33 |
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2986.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
我們現在就來看看 |
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2986.33 |
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2988.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
我們現在就來看看 |
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2988.33 |
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2990.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
我們現在就來看看 |
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2990.33 |
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2992.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
我們現在就來看看 |
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2992.33 |
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2994.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
我們現在就來看看 |
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2994.33 |
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2996.33 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
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2996.33 |
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2998.33 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
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2998.33 |
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3000.33 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
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3000.33 |
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3002.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
我們現在就來看看 |
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3002.33 |
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3004.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
我們現在就來看看 |
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3004.33 |
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3006.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
我們現在就來看看 |
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3006.33 |
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3008.33 |
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我們現在就來看看 |
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3008.33 |
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3010.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
我們現在就來看看 |
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3010.33 |
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3012.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
我們現在就來看看 |
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2986.45 |
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2988.45 |
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你們用30就是3喔 |
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2990.76 |
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2992.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
那是現行條文 |
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2992.76 |
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2994.76 |
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他們的提案是支武 |
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2995.7 |
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2997.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
修正動議改成支三 |
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2997.7 |
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2999.7 |
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要找到哪裡改成支三 |
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2999.7 |
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3001.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
等一下那個條文是不是修出來 |
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3001.7 |
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3003.7 |
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你看念的 我現在是用那個 |
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3003.7 |
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3005.7 |
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剛剛發的國發會發的 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
3005.7 |
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3007.7 |
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剛剛發的國發會發的 |
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3007.7 |
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3009.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
30支3 |
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3009.7 |
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3011.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
是3 |
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3011.7 |
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3013.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
你剛剛念的是這個嗎 |
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3013.7 |
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3015.7 |
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30支3嗎 30支3 |
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3015.93 |
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3017.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
30支3是國發會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
3017.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
3019.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
那民眾黨的修正是在哪裡 |
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3019.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
3021.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
那民眾黨的修正是在哪裡 |
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3023.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
3025.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
那民眾黨的修正是在哪裡 |
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3028.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
3030.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
這個 |
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3030.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
3032.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
這個框架是什麼 |
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3032.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
3034.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
這個框架是現行條文 |
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3034.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
3036.25 |
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現行條文 |
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3036.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
3038.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
那我們看30條是3 |
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3038.33 |
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3040.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
30條支31階段2階段 |
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3040.33 |
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3042.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
對 那個是照原來的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
3042.33 |
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3044.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
對 那個是照原來的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
3044.33 |
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3046.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
只是說 等於是前 |
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3046.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
3048.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
第30條支第一項第5款的投資者 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
3048.33 |
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3050.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
對對對 |
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3050.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
3052.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
倒數第二項 |
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3052.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
3054.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
對 這個原則主要是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
3054.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
3056.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
因為他在行政院的投資是 |
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3056.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
3058.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
比如說像經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
3058.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
3060.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
或者是什麼交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
3060.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
3062.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
那他提出去的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
3062.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
3064.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
那會造成是行政院 |
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3064.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
3066.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
合作委員就下到國發基金的 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
3066.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
3068.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
職委會類是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
3068.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
3070.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
那那個東西就沒有經過一個比較實質的 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
3070.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
3072.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
評估審查 |
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3072.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
3074.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
所以我們是希望是說 |
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3074.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
3076.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
如果是屬於這樣子的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
3076.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
3078.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
他如果投資申請跟投資計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
3078.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
3080.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
輸的時候 那中央目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
3080.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
3082.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
就是這個主管機關就是一併提出他的評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
3082.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
3084.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
就是這個主要當時也是 |
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3084.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
3086.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
就是這個主要當時也是 |
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3086.37 |
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3088.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
因為除了這個議題之外 |
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3088.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
3090.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
主要是在當時來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
3090.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
3092.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
像這個以前這個民進黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
3092.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
3094.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
那個潘孟安秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
3094.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
3096.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
他那時候我記得也 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
3096.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
3098.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
有發生就是說98年那個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
3098.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
3100.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
在審這個經濟部的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
3100.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
3102.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
他就是希望是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
3102.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
3104.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
不能成為紓困基金跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
3104.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
3106.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
官商勾結的溫床 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
3106.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
3108.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
所以在這個地方來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
3108.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
3110.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
當時針對國發基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
3110.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
3112.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
挹注TIMC的這樣子的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
3112.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
3114.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
也就是那時候薛明志當董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
3114.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
3116.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
他做成了一個主決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
3116.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
3118.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
就是說你行政院核定的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
3118.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
3120.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
第一任產業再造計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
3120.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
3122.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
他是要求經濟部要 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
3122.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
3124.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
停止本計畫的推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
3124.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
3126.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
並不得向國發基金申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
3126.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
3128.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
也就是說我們並不是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
3128.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
3130.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
去阻止 而是讓說 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
3130.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
3132.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
讓行政院的他核准了 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
3132.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
3134.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
經濟部的一個比如說什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
3134.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
3136.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
重大事業投資計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
3136.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
3138.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
並不把這一個這樣子的評估的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
3138.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
3140.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
也送到職委會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
3140.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
3142.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
一併這樣子看這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
3142.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
3144.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
行政院報告是不是當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
3144.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
3146.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
經濟部是合理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
3146.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
3148.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
因為有時候行政院他可能沒有那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
3148.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
3150.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
的學者專家或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
3150.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
3152.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
創投的公司顧問公司去幫他看 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
3152.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
3154.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
所以這個只是多一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
3154.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
3156.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
這樣子的一個投資的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
3156.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
3158.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
做一個評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
3158.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
3160.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
並不是要去說做一個這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
3160.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
3162.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
否決 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
3161.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
3163.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
好那我看懂了 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
3163.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
3165.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
就是我看到了國發會的建議意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
3165.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
3167.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
他的30條之3 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
3167.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
3169.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
就是兩項 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
3169.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
3171.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
那看起來他把前面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
3171.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
3173.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
1234 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
3173.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
3175.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
那四款他都東東並在 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
3175.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
3177.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
第一項裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
3177.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
3179.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
但是這裡面的倒數第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
3179.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
3181.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
前項投資數第30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
3181.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
3183.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
第一項第五款 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
3183.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
3185.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
是他放在第二項了 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
3185.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
3187.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
那第二項的部分我看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
3187.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
3189.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
他的內容是比較簡短 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
3189.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
3191.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
中央目的事業主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
3191.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
3193.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
與報請行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
3193.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
3195.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
專案核准時 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
3196.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
3198.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
因並附評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
3198.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
3200.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
並於核准後與管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
3200.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
3202.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
會報告但是呢如果以 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
3202.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
3204.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
剛剛洪委員所說的呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
3204.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
3206.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
不是在核准時喔他是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
3206.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
3208.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
除申請人提出投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
3208.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
3210.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
申請及投資計劃書 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
3210.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
3212.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
中央目的事業主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
3212.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
3214.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
因並提評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
3214.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
3216.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
還要在一前項 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
3216.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
3218.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
第二款至第四款的程序再 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
3218.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
3220.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
跑一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
3220.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
3222.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
所以我在想說是不是請國外說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
3222.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
3224.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
因為這個民眾黨洪委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
3224.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
3226.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
意見就是他們前面有四款 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
3226.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
3228.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
這四款呢在國外意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
3228.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
3230.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
是沒有直接要進入到 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
3230.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
3232.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
母法的條文可能是你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
3232.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
3234.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
定在你們的執法當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
3234.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
3236.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
那個程序那四款的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
3236.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
3238.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
但是呢在第二項的時候呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
3238.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
3240.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
洪委員意思是說還要再把那四項 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
3240.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
3242.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
的四款的程序再跑一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
3242.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
3244.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
你們認為是說要附評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
3244.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
3246.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
就好了這個差異啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
3246.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
3248.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
那麼說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
3247.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
3249.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
還有我猜說那四款是在你們的執法裡有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
3249.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
3251.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
這是我猜的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
3251.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
3253.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
是不是真的是如此應該是嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
3254.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
3256.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
好國防會 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
3256.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
3258.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
這邊跟國委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
3258.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
3260.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
報告那個行政院專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
3260.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
3262.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
核准的投資機制啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
3262.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
3264.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
是為了因應重大經濟情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
3264.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
3266.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
變化跟國家產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
3266.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
3268.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
政策需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
3268.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
3270.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
某個程度來講需要保留適度的 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
3270.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
3272.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
一些決策彈性 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
3272.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
3274.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
另外就是說行政院專案核准 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
3274.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
3276.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
的案件均需要提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
3276.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
3278.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
主管機關進行專業評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
3278.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
3280.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
後再經行政院審 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
3280.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
3282.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
和程序後核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
3282.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
3284.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
某個程度來講也 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
3284.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
3286.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
已經有一定的一個審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
3286.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
3288.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
的密度那歷年來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
3288.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
3290.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
投資譬如說像半導體 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
3290.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
3292.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
的產業如台積電世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
3292.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
3294.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
先進金融產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
3294.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
3296.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
譬如兆豐金張銀 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
3296.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
3298.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
那以及有關國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
3298.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
3300.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
運輸的中華航空 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
3300.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
3302.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
等這個都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
3302.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
3304.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
國家重點的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
3304.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
3306.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
發展的一些重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
3306.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
3308.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
產業那或者是重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
3308.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
3310.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
的公共利益密切相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
3310.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
3312.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
那假如 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
3312.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
3314.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
一律適用一般審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
3314.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
3316.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
程序可能影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
3316.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
3318.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
政府及時因應情勢及 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
3318.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
3320.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
靈活推動產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
3320.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
3322.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
政策的能力那如 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
3322.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
3324.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
委員堅持修法那希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
3324.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
3326.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
能夠保留行政專 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
3326.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
3328.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
行政院專案機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
3328.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
3330.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
透過強化事前評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
3330.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
3332.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
程序兼顧政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
3332.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
3334.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
執行效能與投資決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
3334.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
3336.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
的嚴謹性那朝加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
3336.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
3338.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
審核流程及審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
3338.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
3340.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
審查密度的方向修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
3340.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
3342.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
建議文字如復 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
3343.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
3345.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
那我問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
3345.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
3347.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
那原來那個宏偉委員講 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
3347.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
3349.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
那個版本的第一款第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
3349.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
3351.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
那四階段那四款 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
3351.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
3353.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
你們執法本來就會跑嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
3353.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
3355.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
對在那個在最後一半法 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
3355.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
3357.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
就會做了那我是 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
3357.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
3359.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
我是這樣想啦因為執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
3359.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
3361.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
有定了那我們現在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
3361.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
3363.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
母法上把它重複規定這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
3363.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
3365.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
有沒有一個立法上的精簡的一個做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
3365.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
3367.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
第二個我覺得差別在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
3367.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
3369.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
差別在說發生第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
3369.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
3371.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
我是說新建會的國發會 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
3371.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
3373.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
發生那種狀況的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
3373.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
3375.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
如果為了時效性 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
3375.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
3377.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
還要再把原來那四個動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
3377.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
3379.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
再跑一次的確我聽起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
3379.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
3381.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
目前國發會 |
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3381.44 |
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寫的第二項 |
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3383.74 |
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它就有一個空間 |
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這個空間看你從哪個角度想 |
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現在以現在好了啦 |
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3389.74 |
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3391.74 |
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最近大家剛我們會議前在提到嘛 |
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3391.74 |
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3393.74 |
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最近股市的表現受到美國 |
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3395.74 |
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其中選舉的影響 |
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3395.74 |
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3397.74 |
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那現在的四大基金可能要進場互盤 |
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3397.74 |
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3399.74 |
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那當然國發基金跟四大基金不同 |
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但是未來如果發生了產業 |
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3403.74 |
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有急需的時候那麼 |
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3403.74 |
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3405.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
如果按照第三十條之三 |
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3405.74 |
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3407.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
如果是一 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
3407.38 |
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3409.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
民眾黨團 紅委員的意見 |
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3411.38 |
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在做第二項的 |
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3413.38 |
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處理的時候還把前面的 |
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3413.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
3415.38 |
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第一到四項再跑一次 |
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3416.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
3418.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
再跑一次才能進入到第二項 |
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3418.09 |
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3420.09 |
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來進行核准喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
3420.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
3422.09 |
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那如果按照目前國發會 |
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3422.09 |
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3424.09 |
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給的意見是第二項的話就很清楚 |
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3424.09 |
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3426.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
他說並與並赴評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
3426.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
3428.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
他在專案核准時 |
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3428.09 |
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3430.09 |
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遇到這種重大的時候 |
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3430.09 |
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3432.09 |
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專案核准的時候他就要把那時候 |
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3432.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
3434.09 |
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跑過這四項 |
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3433.67 |
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3435.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
四個動作的評估報告附上來 |
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3435.67 |
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3437.67 |
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那準或不準 |
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3438.06 |
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3440.06 |
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到底原因是什麼 |
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3440.06 |
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3442.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
這四個動作都已經表明了 |
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3442.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
3444.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
還有需要再回去從頭再跑四次 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
3444.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
3446.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
跑那個四個動作嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
3446.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
3448.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
時效的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
3448.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
3450.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
我也請紅委員跟政委員思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
3450.06 |
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3452.06 |
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就是說因為 |
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3452.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
3454.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
這個差別為什麼當時會把它定下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
3454.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
3456.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
也跟各位說明一下 |
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3456.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
3458.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
就是我們一般民間公司去國發會 |
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3458.06 |
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3460.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
做這些的投資申請 |
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3460.06 |
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3462.06 |
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就會走這四個 |
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3462.06 |
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3464.06 |
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但現行的行政院 |
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3464.06 |
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3466.06 |
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專案核准的像經濟部核准交通部 |
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3466.06 |
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3468.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
核准衛福部的 |
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3468.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
3470.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
他沒有走前面這四個 |
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3470.01 |
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3472.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
他完全沒有走 |
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3472.77 |
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3474.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
他完全沒有走這四項 |
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3475.1 |
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3477.1 |
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所以我是說是不是 |
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3477.36 |
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3479.36 |
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可以讓他們去走這四項 |
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3479.36 |
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3481.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
就這樣子而已 |
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3481.36 |
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3483.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
我想我們知道 |
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3483.36 |
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3485.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
委員的這個美意 |
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3485.36 |
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3487.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
希望在這個審查的部分 |
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3487.36 |
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3489.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
更加完整的把這些東西 |
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3489.36 |
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3491.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
都弄過來 |
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3491.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
3493.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
現在但是這樣 |
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3493.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
3495.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
如果假設我們現在以這樣子 |
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3495.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
3497.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
行政院專案核准 |
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3497.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
3499.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
目前是沒有走三階段 |
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3499.36 |
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3501.36 |
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核准就是準了 |
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3501.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
3503.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
如果走三階段的話 |
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3503.36 |
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3505.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
走四階我知道 |
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3505.36 |
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3507.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
就是這樣子的話會變成 |
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3509.95 |
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3511.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
未來等於是不會有行政院專案核准 |
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3511.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
3513.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
因為本來他就去走那個 |
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3513.95 |
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3515.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
就是 |
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3515.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
3517.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
就是會 |
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3517.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
3519.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
他直接送件到國發基金來 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
3519.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
3521.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
就會走那個四階段了 |
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3521.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
3523.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
對 但是如果行政院 |
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3523.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
3525.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
他送過來對不對 |
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3525.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
3527.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
可是就是有問題的 |
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3527.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
3529.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
因為像之前來講的話 |
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3530.89 |
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3532.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
那所以是民進黨的主張 |
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3532.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
3534.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
我覺得這個主張是很好的 |
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3536.1 |
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3538.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
因為他是認為就是說 |
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3538.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
3540.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
那時候潘鵬安當立委的時候 |
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3540.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
3542.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
他就說即使是行政院 |
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3542.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
3544.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
核准完了之後 |
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3544.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
3546.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
也是要經過審查 |
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3546.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
3548.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
對 所以現在這個 |
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3548.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
3550.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
就是在我們的休止 |
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3550.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
3552.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
可是你現在沒有審查的程序 |
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3552.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
3554.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
你沒有實質審查 |
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3554.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
3556.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
你只是提交評估報告然後就 |
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3556.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
3558.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
就備查就這樣子而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
3558.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
3560.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
你沒有經過一個實質審查的程序 |
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3560.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
3562.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
現在那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
3562.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
3564.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
評估報告這裡寫說 |
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3564.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
3566.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
要附這個評估報告 |
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3566.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
3568.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
其實就像我們在投評會有沒有 |
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3568.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
3570.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
那個委員我想過去有 |
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3570.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
3572.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
參加過我們國發基金的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
3572.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
3574.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
那一個部分他會有一個 |
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3574.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
3576.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
那個是最重要的就是那個評估報告 |
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3576.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
3578.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
因為評估報告會做滴滴 |
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3578.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
3580.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
禁止調查財務法務會計 |
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3580.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
3582.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
技術商業模式 |
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3582.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
3584.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
這一些都在這個評估報告裡面 |
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3584.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
3586.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
那等於是 |
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3586.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
3588.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
那這個 |
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3588.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
3590.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
中央目的事業主管機關 |
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3590.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
3592.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
在報行政院的時候 |
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3592.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
3594.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
把這一個評估報告 |
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3594.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
3596.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
包括這些滴滴的東西 |
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3596.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
3598.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
禁止調查的東西都送過來 |
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3598.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
3600.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
行政院在中央目的核准的時候 |
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3600.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
3602.1 |
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他其實就會彙各個部會 |
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3602.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
3604.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
就他的財務技術法務 |
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3604.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
3606.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
商務等等的 |
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3606.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
3608.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
那這樣的部分其實就是在 |
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3608.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
3610.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
處理那一個部分 |
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3610.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
3612.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
又講究到時效性 |
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3612.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
3614.1 |
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因為你走三階那個 |
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3614.1 |
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3616.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
國發基金的這個四階段的流程 |
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3616.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
3618.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
整個下來大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
3618.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
3620.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
可能最快最快到三十幾個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
3620.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
3622.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
還是說你各部會向行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
3622.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
3624.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
提這樣子的專案投資的時候 |
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3624.22 |
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3626.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
就要這個 |
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3626.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
3628.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
3628.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
3630.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
就要經過你們國發會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
3630.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
3632.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
這四階段的評估才能送到 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
3632.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
3634.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
送到這個去 |
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3638.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
3640.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
而且我看過各部會的評估報告 |
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3640.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
3642.76 |
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因為我以前也看過交通部的 |
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3642.76 |
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3644.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
看過經濟部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
3644.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
3646.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
也看過以前國科會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
3647.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
3649.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
告 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
3648.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
3650.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
跟我在國發會 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
3650.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
3652.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
我們在審一般民間公司的強度 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
3653.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
3655.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
差很多 |
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3655.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
3657.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
我覺得國發會是真的比較嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
3657.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
3659.93 |
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所以我才會堅持是說 |
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3659.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
3661.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
應該要把我們行之永年 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
3661.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
3663.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
對民間公司那麼嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
3663.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
3665.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
行政院各個部會提到行政院去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
3665.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
3667.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
那麼草率 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
3668.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
3670.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
我是站在這個立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
3672.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
3674.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
我現在在看民眾黨的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
3677.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
3679.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
你這邊寫四階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
3679.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
3681.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
第一到第四 |
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3681.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
3683.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
一共是四款 |
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3683.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
3685.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
但是事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
3685.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
3687.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
前面第二款至第四款 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
3687.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
3689.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
第二款到第四款就是三階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
3690.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
3692.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
所以這裡面 |
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3692.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
3694.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
洪委員所要求的經行政院專案核准的 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
3694.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
3696.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
他要跑什麼 跑第二到第四階 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
3696.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
3698.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
所以是三階段 |
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3698.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
3700.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
正常的 在他們的執法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
3700.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
3702.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
是從第一階 第二階 第三階 第四階 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
3702.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
3704.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
執法都有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
3704.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
3706.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
但是如果是專案核定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
3706.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
3708.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
就沒有第一階了 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
3708.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
3710.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
專案核定的就是從第二階開始跑 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
3710.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
3712.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
那我們看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
3712.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
3714.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
第二三四 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
3714.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
3716.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
這三階段的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
3716.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
3718.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
在第三階的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
3718.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
3720.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
第四階的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
3720.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
3722.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
六個月內要申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
3722.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
3724.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
撥付投資款 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
3724.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
3726.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
所以我是說 執法它的一個格式 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
3726.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
3728.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
它是循 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
3727.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
3729.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
一般性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
3729.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3731.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
從第一階開始進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
3731.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3733.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
你第二階 第三階 第四階多少時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
3733.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3735.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
那既然是專案核定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3735.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3737.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
它必然有它的 剛剛主委說 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3737.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3739.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
報告的因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3739.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3741.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
情勢 它必須要專案核定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3741.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3743.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
結果如果按照你們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3743.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3745.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
條文設計 它要再重新 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
3745.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3747.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
去跑那二階 三階 四階 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3747.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3749.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
又有兩個 又有半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
3749.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3751.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
這個實際上會不會延誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3751.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3753.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
但是它目前的折衷方式是在第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3753.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3755.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
它明定說 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3755.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3757.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
核准時 應並附評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3757.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3759.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
那就是剛時 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3759.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3761.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
滴滴 剛講過都滴滴過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3761.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3763.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
不會也講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3763.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3765.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
核准後於管理會報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
3765.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3767.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
等於是怎麼樣 要向董事會 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3767.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3769.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
要事後 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3769.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
3771.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
追認知 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
3771.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
3773.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
因為我們的公司在處理董事會追認 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
3773.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
3775.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
因為重大情況的時候可能就是趕快處理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
3775.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
3777.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
回來要回到董事會追認 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
3777.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
3779.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
那如果董事會有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
3779.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
3781.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
那這個可能事情就大條了 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
3781.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
3783.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
就像陳如剛剛後援所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
3783.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
3785.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
所以我是在講兩個不能的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
3785.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
3787.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
第一 這所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
3787.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
3789.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
四款 從第一階到第四階 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
3789.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
3791.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
這在執法都有明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
3791.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
3793.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
要不要放在魔法裡面 這第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
3793.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
3795.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
第二個 縱使要放這四款 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
3795.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
3797.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
要放這四款 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
3797.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
3799.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
3798.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
3800.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
後續的第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
3800.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
3802.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
3802.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
3804.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
是不是用 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
3803.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
3805.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
國發會的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
3805.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
3809.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
把它放在用一個特殊的渠道去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
3809.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
3811.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
那至於說 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
3811.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
3813.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
你後面的最後一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
3813.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
3815.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
國家發展基金會辦理現有投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
3815.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
3817.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
那個要不要放進去 我現在在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
3817.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
3819.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
所以我就三個意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
3819.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
3821.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
第一 本來四個階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
3821.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
3823.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
執法就有定 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
3823.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
3825.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
魔法要不要放進去 這第一個 這可以討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
3825.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
3827.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
第二個 專案 |
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3827.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
3829.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
核定的 還要不要把二階到 |
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3829.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
3831.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
四階再跑一次 還是用國發會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
3831.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
3833.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
第二項 就直接在 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
3833.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
3835.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
核准時要聘服評估報告 |
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3835.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
3837.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
然後要在委員會追認知 |
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3837.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
3839.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
核准後與委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
3839.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
3841.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
委員會報告等於是追認的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
3841.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
3843.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
第三個 就是最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
3843.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
3845.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
因為民主黨提案還有一個最後一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
3845.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
3847.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
就是說 這個我就不太清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
3847.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
3849.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
辦理現金增資 那是細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
3849.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
3851.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
辦法裡面有的 要不要再拉到魔法來 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
3851.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
3853.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
所以我看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
3853.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
3855.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
國發會的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
3855.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
3857.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
它就是第一項很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
3857.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
3859.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
把原來執法裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
3859.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
3861.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
都用第一項 |
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3861.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
3863.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
它又沒有再拉上來 它就是用第一項來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
3863.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
3865.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
一個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
3865.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
3867.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
第二項 就在處理專案核定的 |
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3867.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
3869.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
專案核定它把它加強 強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
3869.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
3871.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
要付什麼 要付評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
3871.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
3873.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
而且呢 還要 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
3873.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
3875.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
核准後還要來管理會報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
3875.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
3877.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
有點像追認的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
3877.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
3879.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
是不是專案的要保它的彈性 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
3879.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
3881.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
跟時效性 用第二項的 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
3881.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
3883.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
這樣的寫法來規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
3883.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
3885.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
是否比較能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
3884.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
3886.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
因應當前的局勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
3886.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
3888.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
我現在講 當前是大家心裡在七上八下的 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
3888.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
3890.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
有人有買 有人還沒買 像我就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
3890.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
3892.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
想著看什麼時候可以進場 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
3895.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
3897.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
因為現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
3897.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
3899.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
3900.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
3902.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
委員在擔心的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
3902.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
3904.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
把關的那個機制跟細緻度 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
3904.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
3906.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
那現在因為在結合剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
3906.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
3908.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
討論過的 管理會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
3908.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
3910.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
這個專家學者委員有各政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
3910.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
3912.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
推派的代表在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
3912.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
3914.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
所以這個評估報告如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
3914.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
3916.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
他剛剛沒有辦法符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
3916.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
3918.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
這個委員剛剛提到的嚴謹度的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
3918.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
3920.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
那委員在 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
3920.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
3922.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
那個選擇委員政黨推薦的 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
3922.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
3924.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
在那裡面又一個把關的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
3924.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
3926.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
所以行政院專案核准 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
3926.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
3928.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
3927.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
3929.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
第一個就是說過往到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
3929.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
3931.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
那個案件數本來就很少 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
3931.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
3933.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
而且投的14個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
3933.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
3935.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
裡面11個案子到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
3935.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
3937.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
來看都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
3937.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
3939.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
賺錢的 而且是對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
3939.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
3941.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
產業升級很有幫助的 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
3941.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
3943.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
所以案子一方面很少 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
3943.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
3945.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
二方面就是說強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
3945.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
3947.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
時效性的話跟嚴謹度的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
3947.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
3949.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
是不是可以請委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
3949.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
3951.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
來這個考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
3950.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
3952.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
因為國發已經成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
3952.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
3954.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
42年 只有14件 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
3954.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
3956.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
42年 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
3956.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
3958.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
只有14件 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
3958.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
3960.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
所以不是很平均 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
3962.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
3967.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
可是我們14個案件裡面有11個都賺錢的 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
3968.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
3970.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
我當然知道就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
3970.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
3972.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
因為當時我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
3974.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
3977.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
我是蠻欣賞潘孟安那時候提的這樣的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
3978.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
3981.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
也就是說這個行政院核定的東西應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
3983.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
3985.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
當時我們的主張就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
3985.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
3987.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
不能民間公司的審的比較嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
3987.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
3989.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
然後行政院專案的都不嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
3989.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
3991.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
那我自己的經驗也是啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
3993.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
3995.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
因為我擔任過你部會提出來的那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
3995.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
3997.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
像以前經濟部還有交通部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
3997.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
4001.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
所以他那一個專案的投資申請很麻煩 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
4002.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
4004.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
我覺得麻煩就是說他那時候寫的比較草率 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
4004.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
4006.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
就有點像寫Proposal這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
4006.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
4008.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
然後那個所謂的財務評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
4008.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
4010.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
也沒有經過這樣子的一個同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
4010.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
4012.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
4012.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
4014.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
我覺得是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
4014.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
4016.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
還是遵照我的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
4016.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
4018.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
如果真的我們黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
4018.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
4020.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
大家都有意見那我們就是保留這一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].start |
4020.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
4022.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
因為只有這一條有比較大的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
4022.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
4024.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
其他都沒有爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
4027.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
4029.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
好 鄭委員要發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
4029.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
4031.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
因為那個過去四十二年 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
4031.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
4033.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
只有四件行政院專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
4033.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
4035.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
核准的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
4035.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
4037.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
那我其實比較傾向於 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
4037.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
4039.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
就是程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
4039.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
4041.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
應該要更完備一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
4041.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
4043.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
那基本上我尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
4043.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
4045.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
就是民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
4045.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
4047.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
民眾黨這個的走法 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
4047.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
4049.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
那因為我在想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
4049.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
4051.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
如果是行政院的專案核准的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
4051.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
4053.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
的時候那這程序當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
4053.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
4055.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
因為剛剛不管是從第二第三第四 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
4055.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
4057.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
這個四個階段當中的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
4057.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
4059.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
我覺得他時間其實都有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
4059.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
4061.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
去控制得更嚴謹一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
4061.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
4063.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
更縮短一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
4063.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
4065.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
所以我覺得時間上可能還好 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
4065.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
4067.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
那基本上在這個議題上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
4067.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
4069.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
我尊重民眾黨這邊的一個看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
4071.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
4073.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
謝謝 以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
4101.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
4103.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
啊哈 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
4102.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
4104.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
退回去 因為你現在這個程序也沒有退回 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
4104.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
4106.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
4106.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
4108.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
你沒有辦法拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
4108.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
4110.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
因為你是行政院的下屬機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
4110.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
4112.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
所以你這個東西就變成是 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
4112.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
4114.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
被查而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
4114.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
4116.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
所以那時候我們才會有台傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
4116.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
4118.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
那時候我很強烈的印象就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
4118.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
4120.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
台傳我在經濟部的時候就是不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
4120.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
4122.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
然後之後送過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
4122.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
4124.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
到了國發會行政院核定之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
4124.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
4126.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
那就是OK OK之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
4127.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
4129.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
然後我以為國安會會擋嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
4129.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
4131.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
結果沒有嘛結果這樣就變成是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
4131.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
4133.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
重大損失啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
4133.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
4135.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
這個是我非常強烈的印象 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
4137.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
4139.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
不過就整個案件來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
4139.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
4141.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
14件有11件 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
4141.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
4143.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
當然你說3件 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
4143.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
4145.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
重不重要當然都很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
4145.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
4147.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
都很重要啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
4147.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
4149.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
只是說實效性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
4149.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
4151.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
如果今天說我們控制完這個程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
4151.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
4153.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
還出包 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
4153.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
4155.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
那我就絕對就認了 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
4155.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
4157.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
但是你就是說沒有控制這個程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
4157.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
4159.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
你也沒辦法reject這個我就覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
4159.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
4161.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
4161.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
4163.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
4163.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
4165.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
出包機很少的時候我就覺得OK啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].start |
4165.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
4167.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
4167.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
4169.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
所有的機制都 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].start |
4169.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
4171.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
你不能拒絕行政院交辦給你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
4171.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].end |
4173.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
專案投資報告這個是一個很大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
4173.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
4175.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
4175.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
4177.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
我現在聽一下第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].start |
4177.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
4179.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
其實執法歸入母法 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
4179.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
4181.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
我們太多法案是如此啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
4181.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
4183.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
你這個執法這個也半馬行之多年 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
4185.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
4187.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
其實執法歸入母法 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
4187.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
4189.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
我是覺得他們應該是可以同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
4189.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
4191.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
現在就是說行政院的那一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].start |
4191.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
4193.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
他走234款 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].start |
4193.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
4195.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
234款基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].start |
4195.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
4197.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
這個行政如果你們覺得急 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
4197.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
4199.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
如果你們覺得急應該可以很快啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
4199.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
4201.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
然後甚至你告訴經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
4201.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
4203.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
告訴交通部說 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].start |
4203.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
4205.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
你就是要按照我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].start |
4205.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
4207.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
234階段的這些的所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
4207.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
4209.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
報告走一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
4209.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
4211.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
4211.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
4213.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
然後如果格式跟我們在省民間企業的公司是 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
4213.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
4215.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
一模模一樣樣的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
4215.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
4217.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
也通過這些不管會計師 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
4217.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
4219.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
或者是什麼的滴滴 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
4219.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
4221.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
我就不相信那個東西會出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
4221.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
4223.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
然後會很慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
4224.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
4226.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
現在就是不是長這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
4226.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
4228.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
我講的是事實啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
4228.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
4230.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
好啦那個還是你先講 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
4230.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
4232.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
我簡單講一下就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
4232.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
4234.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
如果說一個國八會這邊講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
4234.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
4236.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
是用時間的長短的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
4236.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
4238.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
時效性來解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
4238.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
4240.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
要不要走這234款 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
4240.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
4242.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
我覺得這個說服力不是很夠啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
4242.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
4244.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
因為42年只有14件 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
4244.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
4246.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
重大的行政院專案和準案 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
4246.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
4248.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
那專案和準案如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
4248.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
4250.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
我們要走各部會的狀況當中的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
4250.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
4252.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
我覺得這個國八會 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
4252.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
4254.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
在做這幾個程序當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
4254.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
4256.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
其實是可以去壓縮他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
4256.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
4258.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
長短的時間的節奏 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
4258.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
4260.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
所以如果說用時間的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
4260.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
4262.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
來當作一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
4262.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
4264.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
理由的時候我覺得可能沒有那麼充分 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
4264.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
4266.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
所以我會支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
4266.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
4268.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
就是民眾黨團目前這邊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
4268.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
4270.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
一些意見跟看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
4270.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
4272.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
我覺得今天的發言就是大家各黨團要負責啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
4274.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
4276.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
陳如剛剛洪委員不斷的提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
4276.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
4278.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
以前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
4278.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
4280.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
前任委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
4280.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
4282.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
他人都不在立法院了 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
4282.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
4284.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
那你一直以他當年的質詢的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
4284.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
4286.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
來看待說好像彷彿今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
4286.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
4288.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
這十四件當中有三件不賺錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
4288.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
4290.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
都是他當時質疑的 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
4290.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
4292.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
那個邏輯你要把它放在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
4292.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
4294.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
那今天我認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
4294.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
4296.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
行政院我們國八會的說法也有道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
4296.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
4298.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
現在的經濟情勢的變 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
4298.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
4300.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
跟訊息萬變 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
4300.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
4302.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
那是不是隔了幾屆之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
4302.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
4304.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
這個條文要修的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
4304.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
4306.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
又有人主張說有洪委員的當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
4306.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
4308.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
就是主張這樣子就不會出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
4308.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
4310.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
結果還是因為這樣的規定告示不能因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
4310.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
4312.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
那這個責任要怪誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
4312.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
4314.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
所以我是覺得今天喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
4314.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
4316.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
很清楚了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
4316.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
4318.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
那麼鎮委員洪委員各自代表黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
4318.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
4320.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
就是有這樣的堅持 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
4320.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
4322.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
那這樣就要對負責啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
4322.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
4324.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
未來這個條文這樣定下去之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
4324.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
4326.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
那今天的發言大家各自負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
4326.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
4328.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
我認為國八會他們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
4328.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
4330.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
四十二年來只有十四件 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
4330.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
4332.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
十四件當中十一件是賺錢的 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
4332.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
4334.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
那十四件當中都重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
4334.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
4336.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
那但是這個重大能夠走 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].start |
4336.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
4338.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
專案核准的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
4338.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
4340.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
沒有這些程序上的拖延延至 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
4340.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
4342.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
所以這十四件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
4342.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
4344.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
才能夠讓其中的十一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
4344.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
4346.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
能夠獲得那樣的政策效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
4346.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
4348.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
我也可以這樣講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
4348.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
4350.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
那現在是因為這個專案核准發揮的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
4350.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
4352.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
所以十四件當中的十一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
4352.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
4354.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
它能夠達到當時的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
4354.31 |
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4356.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
要求的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
4356.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
4358.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
那現在為了那三件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
4358.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
4360.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
你反過來要加上給 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
4360.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
4362.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
行政院專案核准的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
4362.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
4364.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
跑這二三四款的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
4364.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
4366.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
那或許 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
4365.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
4367.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
到那時候執行的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
4367.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
4369.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
就是完全失去了專案核准的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
4369.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
4371.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
那這個時候呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
4371.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
4373.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
因為這個沒有說誰一定對一定錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
4373.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
4375.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
事後再來驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
4375.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
4377.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
我想今天如果有黨團堅持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
4377.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
4379.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
因為今天協商嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
4379.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
4381.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
如果有人堅持 那就堅持的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
4381.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
4383.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
要對未來的歷史負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
4381.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
4383.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
那我個人是覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
4383.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
4385.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
從黨團的立場來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
4385.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
4387.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
我們只有對那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
4386.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
4388.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
立法院黨團推薦的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
4389.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
4391.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
立法院黨剛講到30條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
4391.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
4393.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
因為我剛剛說在想一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
4393.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
4395.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
我們還是認為啊 以這樣的立法力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
4395.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
4397.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
會造成以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
4397.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
4399.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
其他法的困擾 為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
4399.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
4401.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
因為無人機專案就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
4401.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
4403.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
對不對 也是用各黨團推薦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
4403.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
4405.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
然後每個黨團至少要有一人嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
4405.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
4407.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
那這樣的立法力一開 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
4407.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
4409.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
後續的其他法律跟進 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
4410.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
4412.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
都是對於現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
4412.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
4416.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
行政立法奮進的一個干擾跟破壞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
4417.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
4419.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
不過我還是說啦 今天我們對於這個條例呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
4419.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
4421.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
我們覺得它的迫切性很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
4421.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
4423.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
因為接下來我們要因應的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
4423.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
4425.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
政治經濟變局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
4425.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
4427.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
所以呢 我表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
4427.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
4429.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
我們希望國法會衡量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
4429.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
4431.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
如果你們可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
4431.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
4433.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
勉為其難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
4433.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
4435.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
還是你們覺得要怎麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
4435.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
4437.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
趕快把這個條例能夠通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
4437.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
4439.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
那我們也支持說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
4439.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
4441.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
我們以最快方式來通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
4442.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
4444.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
不要在這裡浪費大家的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
4444.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
4446.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
因為很清楚立場都表達了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
4446.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
4448.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
責任也要各自扛了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
4448.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
4450.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
那就看國法會啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
4453.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
4455.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
我們那30條是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
4455.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
4457.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
大致上我們的意見已經表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
4457.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
4459.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
那我們就尊重國會委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
4459.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
4461.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
那就尊重我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
4463.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
4465.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
好了 請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
4464.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
4466.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
那30之1咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
4468.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
4470.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
30之1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
4472.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
4474.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
就是我們的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
4475.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
4477.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
那這就是他們的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
4477.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
4481.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
30條之1的話就按照國法會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
4481.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
4483.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
30條之1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
4483.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
4485.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
我再說明一下 30條之1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
4485.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
4487.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
就照國法會的版本 同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
4487.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
4489.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
30條之1照國法會的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
4489.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
4493.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
那30條之3就照民眾黨團的修正的動議的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
4493.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
4495.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
30條之3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
4495.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
4497.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
30條之2沒考慮過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
4497.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
4499.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
30條 有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
4499.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
4501.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
30條之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
4501.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
4503.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
是我們是真定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
4504.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
4506.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
就這樣嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
4507.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
4509.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
沒有那個沒意見啦 那個同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
4510.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
4512.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
照我們的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
4519.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
4521.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
30條之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
4523.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
4525.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
30條之1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
4525.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
4527.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
你講的是哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
4527.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
4529.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
管理會任務嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
4529.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
4531.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
30條之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
4531.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
4537.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
對 國法會版本沒有這條內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
4537.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
4539.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
我們有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
4539.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
4541.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
所以你說這30條之2是照我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
4541.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
4543.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
修正動議是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
4544.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
4546.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
對啊 照我們的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
4547.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
4549.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
照我們的這個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
4549.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
4551.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
這個沒有問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
4551.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
4553.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
那個主委跟庭安沒有問題的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
4553.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
4555.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
30條之2沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
4555.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
4557.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
照我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
4557.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
4559.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
不予真定嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
4559.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
4561.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
照我們的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
4561.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
4563.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
不予真定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
4563.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
4565.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
你還有第六 其他有關事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
4565.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
4567.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
4571.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
4573.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
30條之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
4573.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
4575.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
30條之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
4575.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
4577.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
30條之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
4577.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
4579.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
2是照我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
4579.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
4581.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
30條之3是不正定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
4581.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
4583.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
30條之4不予真定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
4584.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
4586.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
這樣沒問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
4588.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
4590.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
4591.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
4593.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
好 對啦 主席說一下就可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
4595.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
4597.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
4596.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
4598.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
等一下我們做決議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
4599.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
4601.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
會做一個確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
4602.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
4606.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
主席講一下學商結論就可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
4606.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
4608.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
好 已經可以做學商結論了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
4608.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
4610.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
來 我看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
4610.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
4612.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
再看我懂嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
4612.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
4614.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
30條之4剛剛我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
4616.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
4618.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
提參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
4623.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
4625.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
對 29 30 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
4625.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
4627.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
還是我唸一次給大家聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
4627.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
4629.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
對啊 可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
4629.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
4631.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
還是主席唸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
4631.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
4633.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
4633.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
4635.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
我們就照這個順序 29 30之2 30之3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
4635.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
4637.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
照這個通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
4637.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
4639.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
然後這個這個這個照這個通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
4640.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
4642.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
4641.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
4643.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
4642.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
4644.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
我們現在宣布一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
4644.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
4646.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
29條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
4646.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
4648.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
30之2條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
4648.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
4650.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
30之3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
4650.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
4652.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
按照民眾黨修正動議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
4652.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
4654.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
那30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
4654.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
4656.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
30之1條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
4656.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
4658.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
30之4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
4658.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
4660.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
30之5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
4660.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
4662.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
照國防法會建議條文通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
4666.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
4668.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
4668.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
4670.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
31條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
4673.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
4675.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
好 多多的政委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
4675.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
4677.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
跳來跳去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
4677.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
4679.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
31條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
4680.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].end |
4682.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
31條的話就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
4682.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
4684.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
你們的版本跟我們的修正動議辦是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
4686.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
4688.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].start |
4693.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
4695.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
我們有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
4695.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
4697.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
我們交的也是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
4697.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
4699.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
我們這是收支保管及運用辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
4701.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
4703.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
我們家的也是一樣不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
4703.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
4705.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
有有有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
4705.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
4707.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
修正動議有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
4707.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
4709.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
一模一樣的字啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
4710.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
4712.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
一模一樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
4712.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
4714.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
所以31條就是照民眾黨修正動議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
4714.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
4716.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
4716.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
4718.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
國防法會有沒有確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
4718.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].end |
4720.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
一模一樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
4720.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
4722.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
你拿的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
4722.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
4724.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
一樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
4724.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
4726.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
原始的法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
4727.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
4729.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
對啊 哦這個沒有了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].start |
4730.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
4732.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
我不是配合你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
4732.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
4734.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
一樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].start |
4734.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
4736.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
一樣啦 就是按照我們民眾黨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
4736.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
4738.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
修正動議的版本跟國防 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
4738.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
4740.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
國防法會提出來的這個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
4740.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
4742.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
是一致的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
4742.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
4744.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
跟我的修正動議是一模一樣的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
4745.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
4747.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
4747.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
4749.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
按照我的民眾黨團的修正動議那一份是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
4752.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
4754.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
31條就這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
4754.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
4758.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
31條按照民眾黨修正的動議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].start |
4759.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
4761.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
4760.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
4762.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
這樣可以哈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].start |
4762.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
4764.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].start |
4763.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
4765.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].start |
4765.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
4767.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
確定確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
4769.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
4771.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
要總整一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
4771.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
4773.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
我們會有寫一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
4773.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
4775.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
版本分別送去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
4775.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
4777.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
三個黨團簽名 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
4777.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
4779.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
不然你都要簽名 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
4779.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
4781.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
沒有沒有沒有 出稿還在黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
4781.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
4783.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
還在黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
4783.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
4785.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
好好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
4785.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
4787.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
你們打他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
4787.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
4789.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
那就再補簽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
4789.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
4791.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
補簽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
4794.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
4796.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
補簽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
4797.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
4799.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
4799.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
4801.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
4801.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
4803.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
要先唸嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
4802.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
4804.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
就是剛剛唸的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
4804.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
4806.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
對對可以了可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
4806.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
4808.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
我們打出來之後會再分手 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
4808.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
4810.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
送委員來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
4810.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
4812.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
可以各黨團簽名 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
4813.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
4815.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
所以今天這樣OK了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
4815.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
4817.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
OK了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
4817.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
4819.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
那我們就散會了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
4819.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
4821.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
散會謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
4822.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
4824.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
4826.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
4828.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
我要跟國防公務局說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
4828.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
4830.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
11 14個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
4830.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
4832.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
11個對1個 |