| IVOD_ID |
17766 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17766 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-6-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第6會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-22T08:35:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-22T12:38:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:02:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/bfaf9b39ac01a68590e2c47cd250ac01d697183759547eb61f0f14e9ecaf477f349016d853f480475ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第6會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查行政院函請審議「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、繼續審查委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十四條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
三、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
四、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第四條條文修正草案」案。
五、繼續審查委員葛如鈞等22人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
六、繼續審查委員翁曉玲等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
七、繼續審查委員黃健豪等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第五十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
八、繼續審查委員羅智強等29人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
九、繼續審查委員黃健豪等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
十、繼續審查委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十一、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。
十二、繼續審查委員魯明哲等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
十三、繼續審查委員王育敏等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
十四、繼續審查委員林倩綺等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
十五、繼續審查委員陳超明等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第五十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
十六、繼續審查委員黃健豪等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條、第二十八條及第三十一條之一條文修正草案」案。
十七、繼續審查委員張嘉郡等28人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
十八、繼續審查委員王育敏等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
十九、繼續審查委員劉建國等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
二十、繼續審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
二十一、繼續審查委員郭國文等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十八條之一條文修正草案」案。
二十二、繼續審查國民黨黨團擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十三、繼續審查委員黃健豪等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十四、繼續審查委員廖偉翔等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、繼續審查委員李彥秀等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十六、繼續審查委員羅智強等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十七、繼續審查委員盧縣一等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十八、繼續審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「食） |
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好 |
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2011.16 |
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2012.28 |
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現在開會 |
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2012.28 |
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2014.36 |
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請阻密報告出席人數 |
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2014.97 |
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2018.01 |
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包委員會出席委員五人已足法定人數 |
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2018.96 |
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2022.6 |
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請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事入 |
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2024.44 |
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2027.56 |
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立法院第十屆第六會期說服力及衛生環境委員會 |
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2027.56 |
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2029.44 |
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第二次全體委員會議事錄 |
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2029.44 |
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2033.16 |
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時間115年10月12日90至14時23分 |
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115年10月14日94分至17分 |
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2037.32 |
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2041.36 |
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地點群星801會市出席委員林月琴委員等15人 |
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2043.04 |
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列席委員宏孟凱委員等12人 |
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2043.04 |
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列席官員10月12日衛生福利部部長石崇良 |
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2045.76 |
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2047.52 |
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及各相關部會主管 |
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2050.16 |
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10月14日衛生福利部政務次長呂建德 |
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2053 |
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及各相關部會主管主席陳昭及委員金輝 |
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2053.68 |
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2055.04 |
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10月12日報告事項 |
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2057.76 |
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宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定 |
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2057.76 |
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2060.52 |
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邀請衛生福利部部長法務部法務部調查局 |
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2060.52 |
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2063.76 |
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交易部財政部海洋委員會海洋委員會海巡署 |
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2063.76 |
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2066.04 |
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內政部警政署就減害計畫執行 |
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2066.04 |
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2070.28 |
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成效及毒癮治療量能與毒品邊境校園及相關防治 |
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2070.28 |
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2071.8 |
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精進作為執行 |
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2071.8 |
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2074.08 |
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進行專題報告並被質詢 |
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2074.08 |
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2076.52 |
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本日會議由衛生福利部部長石崇良報告後 |
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2076.52 |
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2078.96 |
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委員林月琴等15人提出質詢 |
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2081 |
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軍軍衛生福利部部長石崇良 |
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2081 |
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2083.52 |
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及各相關主管等集體答復 |
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2083.56 |
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2084.96 |
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委員楊耀等4人 |
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2084.96 |
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2087.48 |
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所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報 |
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2087.48 |
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2089.36 |
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決定報告及詢答完畢 |
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2089.36 |
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2091.8 |
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文質詢未及答復或請補充資料 |
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2091.8 |
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2094.44 |
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則請相關機關於2週內與書面答復 |
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2094.44 |
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2097.88 |
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文令要求期限則從期鎖定10月14日 |
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2097.88 |
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2101.36 |
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討論事項繼續審查及審查國民年金法部分條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2101.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2103.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
修正草案等74案 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2107.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2111.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
決議行政院含情審議國民年金法部分條文修正草案等74案 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2111.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2113.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
審查玩具內容如審查結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2113.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2116.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
變案理據審查報告提報院會討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2116.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2118.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
院會討論時由陳昭及委員金慧補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2118.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2120.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
須加黨團協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2120.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2124.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
本法案條次條文中援引條次及法制用語 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2124.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2126.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
調整授權議事人員整理相關立法說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2126.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2128.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
授權行政單位提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2128.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2130.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
審查結果依照行政院提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2130.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2133.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
通過第59條條文二保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2133.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2137.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
行政院提案第54條之一及對應提案條文二 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2137.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2139 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
委員陳金輝等19人 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2139 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2141.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
國民黨黨團及委員廖偉祥等21人 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2141.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2144.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
提案增訂第39條之一第40條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2144.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2147.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
3民進黨黨團委員吳思耀等18人 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2147.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2148.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
及委員鍾嘉斌等19人 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2148.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2150.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
提案第42條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2150.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2153.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
4民進黨黨團及委員吳思耀等18人 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2153.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2155.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
提案第4、7條條文 |
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2155.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2157.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
5委員鍾嘉斌等19人 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2157.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2158.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
委員盧憲一等17人 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2158.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2160.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
及委員高金素梅等18人 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2160.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2162.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
提案第53條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2162.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2165 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
保留之修正動議請委員自行參閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2167.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2169.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
通過附帶決議三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
2169.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2170.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
2171.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2172.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
請問委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
2172.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2174.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
上次的意識度有無錯誤或遺漏之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
2177.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2179.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
沒有錯誤或遺漏之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
2179.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2180.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
意識度確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
2181.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2185.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
本日會議議程為繼續審查及審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
2187.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
2189.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
2189.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
2191.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
部分條文修正查案等60案 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
2191.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
2193.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
介紹在場委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
2193.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
2194.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
請委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
2197.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
2199.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
前召委林月群委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
2203.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
2204.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
廖委翔委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
2205.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
2206.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
也是陳召委 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
2207.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
2211.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
介紹列席官員衛生福利部林靜儀 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
2211.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
2212.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
政府次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
2214.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
2216.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
衛福部食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
2216.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
2217.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
江志剛署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
2219.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
2220.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
法規會 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
2220.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2221.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
陳姓陳參事 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
2223.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
2226.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
農業部農糧署黃昭興副署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
2228.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2229.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
李瓊尼 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
2229.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2230.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
檢認記證 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
2232.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
2233.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
陳俊宏科長 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2235.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2238.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
農業部動植物防疫檢疫署 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
2238.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2240.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
陳勝宜副組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
2242.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2243.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
洪玉堂檢認記證 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
2248.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
2249.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
趙索陽檢認記證 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
2252.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
2253.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
畜牧師吳捷記證 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
2255.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2257.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
經濟部產業發展署 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2257.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2259.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
周宇欣副署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
2262.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2264.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
經濟部國營事業管理師 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2264.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2265.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
谷美良科長 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2267.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2269.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
商業發展署 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2269.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2271.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
簡俊良副組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
2273.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2277.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
法務部方南鈞參事 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2279.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2281.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
教育部國民級學前交易署 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2281.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2283.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
薛承佑副組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
2285.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
2287.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
綜合規劃師羅秀惠科長 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
2289.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
2291.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
財政部財政資訊中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
2291.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
2292.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
謝明峰副主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
2294.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
2296.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
財政部附稅署聯保權專門委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
2298.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
2298.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
關稅署 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
2298.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
2300.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
連嘉文檢認機盒 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
2302.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
2302.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
國庫署 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
2302.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
2304.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
劉秀卿科長 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
2305.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
2308.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
行政院公共工程委員會技術處 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
2308.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
2310.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
張藝文檢認記證 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
2312.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
2315.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
原住民主委員會經濟發展署 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
2315.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
2316.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
張信良副署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
2319.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
2322.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
現在法案逐條審查前 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
2322.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
2323.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
先做以下說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
2323.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
2325.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
在進行法案逐條審查前 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
2325.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
2327.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
先做以下說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
2327.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
2328.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
本委會已分別在 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
2328.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
2330.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
115年7月8日 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
2330.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
2332.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
第五會期第18次委員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
2332.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
2335.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
就委員廖偉祥等18人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
2335.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
2337.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
等共計17案 詢答完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
2337.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
2339.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
115年8月5日 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
2339.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
2341.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
就新增資行政院提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
2341.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
2343.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
委員劉建國等19人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
2343.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
2344.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
等20案 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
2344.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
2345.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
與上述提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
2345.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
2347.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
一並進行逐條審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
2347.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
2349.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
115年8月19日 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
2349.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
2353.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
再加入委員王鴻威等19人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
2353.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
2355.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
2355.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
2357.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
部分條文修正查案 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
2357.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
2359.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
等21個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
2359.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
2361.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
與上述37案 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
2361.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
2362.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
並按審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
2362.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
2366.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
本次新增委員陳敬威等17人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
2366.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
2368.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
2369.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
2371.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
部分條文修正查案等2案 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
2371.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
2372.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
本次會議不再詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
2372.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
2375.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
及進行逐條討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
2375.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
2377.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
有關本次會議各項書面資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
2377.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
2379.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
均列入記錄刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
2379.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
2380.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
循例本日 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
2380.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
2382.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
能日不處理臨時提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
2384.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
2385.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
現在進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
2386.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
2387.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
討論事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
2395.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
2396.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
2396.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
2397.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
含請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
2397.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
2399.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
2399.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
2401.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
部分條文修正查案 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
2401.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
2402.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
案等60案 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
2402.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
2403.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
是逐條審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
2403.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
2406.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
每條條文先請行政單位說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
2408.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
2409.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
2409.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
2410.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
2411.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
2412.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
進行本案 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
2412.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
2413.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
主案討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
2414.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
2416.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
現在討論第24條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
2418.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
2421.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
有料想提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
2421.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
2422.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
先請衛福部說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
2427.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
2430.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
針對料人等5項提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
2430.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
2435.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
行政局官建議能夠維持先行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
2435.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
2437.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
理由簡單說明如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
2437.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
2442.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
委員提案明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
2442.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
2446.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
若含乙型受體素因強制標示之 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
2446.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
2450.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
建議食品標示一體適用國產 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
2450.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
2451.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
進口產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
2451.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
2453.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
然動物用藥眾多 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
2454.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
2457.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
不能緊就單一的動物用藥標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
2457.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
2459.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
否則違反提供不正確的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
2459.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
2461.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
國際上並未針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
2461.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
2464.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
某一動物用藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
2464.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
2465.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
要求標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
2466.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
2467.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
吳國偉WHO會員 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
2468.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
2470.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
對標示規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
2470.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
2472.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
應遵循不歧視原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
2472.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
2474.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
強制要求產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
2474.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
2476.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
僅標示含乙型受體素 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
2476.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
2479.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
並不符合國際規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
2480.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
2483.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
另縣議委員等食肉人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
2483.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
2487.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
加工或混配食品添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
2487.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
2488.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
應一併標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
2488.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
2491.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
其具有功能性之主要成分 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
2491.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
2495.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
現行法第24條的第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
2495.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
2496.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
第10款 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
2496.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
2500.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
其他經中央主管機關公告之事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
2500.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
2502.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
以授權中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
2502.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
2504.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
就特定事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
2504.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
2506.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
以公告方式處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
2506.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
2507.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
食安法立法的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
2507.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
2510.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
為管理食品衛生安全及品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
2510.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
2513.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
維護國民健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
2513.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
2515.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
並確保消費者權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
2515.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
2518.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
目前我國之標示規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
2518.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
2520.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
與國際規範大致相符 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
2520.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
2522.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
食品與食品添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
2522.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
2523.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
標示的規定 |
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2523.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
2527.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
需一體適用於國產及輸入產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
2527.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
2530.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
原料糖符合衛生安全一致標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
2530.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
2532.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
強制標示原產地 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
2533.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
2534.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
原料原產地 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
2534.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
2536.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
同與食安法立法的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
2536.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
2538.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
與宗旨不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
2538.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
2540.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
亦無法符合不歧視 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
2540.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
2542.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
避免不必要的貿易障礙等 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
2542.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
2545.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
WHO國際規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
2545.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
2546 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
2548.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
2549.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
WTO國際規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
2552 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
2554.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
謝謝署長的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
2554.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
2556.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
請在場委員再 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
2557.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
2559.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
討論之前我們再補充介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
2559.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
2561.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
前召委 抒情前委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
2562.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
2563.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
WTO國際規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
2563.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
2565.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
請在場委員再補充介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
2565.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
2568.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
前召委 抒情前委員再補充介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
2568.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
2570.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
前召委 抒情前委員再補充介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
2570.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
2573.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
前召委 抒情前委員再補充介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
2573.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
2575.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
前召委 抒情前委員再補充介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
2575.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
2578.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
前召委 抒情前委員再補充介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
2578.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
2581.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
前召委 抒情前委員再補充介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
2581.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
2583.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
前召委 抒情前委員再補充介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
2583.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
2585.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
前召委 抒情前委員再補充介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
2585.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
2588.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
前召委 抒情前委員再補充介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
2565.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
2569.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
請問各位委員對這條有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
2574.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
2575.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
委員請 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
2577.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
2579.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
我想這裡就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
2579.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
2582.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
民眾大家都很關心很擔心的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
2582.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
2583.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
2583.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
2584.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
2585.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
2586.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
我覺得如果有 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
2586.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
2588.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
我覺得也應該要讓民眾有知情權 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
2588.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
2589.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
究竟有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
2589.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
2591.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
會不會有這種相關的疑義 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
2591.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
2592.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
而且換言之 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
2592.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
2594.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
如果真的沒有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
2594.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
2596.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
這樣是不是反而讓民眾更加的安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
2596.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
2598.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
不會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
2598.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
2599.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
採購起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
2599.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
2601.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
或者是吃起來更安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
2601.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
2603.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
所以我覺得這個東西是不是應該要再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
2608.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
2609.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
2609.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
2610.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
2610.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
2611.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
那是 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
2611.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
2613.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
次長要先說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
2613.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
2616.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
還是還有其他委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
2616.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
2618.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
那邊其他委員有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
2618.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
2620.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
就是針對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
2621.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
2623.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
國人比較擔心的一些內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
2626.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
2628.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
能夠充分的溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
2628.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
2630.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
那再補充介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
2630.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
2632.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
出席陳建衛委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
2633.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
2634.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
本次招惟 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
2650.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
2652.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
那我還繼續需要發言嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
2652.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
2654.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
所以是保留嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
2654.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
2656.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
還沒我們現在就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
2656.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
2657.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
看 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
2657.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
2659.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
好我再補充一下好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
2659.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
2660.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
新增第十款 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
2660.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
2661.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
簡單講我們就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
2661.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
2665.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
具有以行受體素食品添加物質原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
2665.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
2667.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
為應標式事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
2667.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
2671.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
並在第二項授權中央主管機關公告第十款的 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
2671.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
2672.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
應遵行事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
2672.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
2674.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
我想這個查了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
2674.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
2677.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
這與11年的憲判自第六號所示 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
2677.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
2680.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
以行受體素殘留安全容許量 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
2680.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
2683.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
屬於中央立法事項的方向一致 |
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2683.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
2688.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
好那由中央以法律及授權公告統一規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
2688.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
2690.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
避免各地標準不一 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
2690.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
2692.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
所以我這邊會這樣子提 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
2692.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
2695.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
好那再來就是這個體系一致性 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
2695.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
2703.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
第二項把這個第十款跟第九款含基因改造食品添加物質原料並列 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
2703.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
2706.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
都由主管機關公告應遵行事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
2706.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
2709.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
才具有的標示授權體力 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
2709.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
2712.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
所以我們希望說這個部分是不是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
2713.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
2715.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
可以為我們人民的食安把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
2715.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
2721.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
而且其實過去多次在食安的質詢都跟這個議題有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
2721.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
2726.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
當初過去幾個部長也都說不會犧牲人民的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
2726.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
2731.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
所以我在想這部分是不是應該要再繼續考慮本席的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
2733.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
2735.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
2734.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
2736.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
那請那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
2736.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
2738.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
對不起我們看什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
2738.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
2742.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
好那個請召委發表一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
2742.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
2747.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
那我們一定要支持我們的保障消費者的知情權 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
2747.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
2750.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
那大家這條主要當然已經捨到一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
2750.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
2755.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
像產品的製造地跟主要原料的原產地 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
2756.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
2758.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
我們看看國外的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
2758.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
2762.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
包括澳洲加拿大日本韓國其實都有不同的方式來去做標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
2762.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
2766.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
可是標示的制度必須要精準可知性 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
2766.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
2769.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
而且國內外產品應採取一致的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
2769.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
2774.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
最後也必須考量到台灣所面臨到的貿易障礙 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
2775.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
2780.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
而且可是很重要的是要兼顧民眾知情權跟貿易的公平性 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
2780.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
2781.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
2782.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
2784.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
2784.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
2786.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
那他們委員有要提出來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
2789.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
2791.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
那請衛福部先回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
2791.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
2793.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
好謝謝委員關切 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
2793.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
2798.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
那當然我們也認同說我們其實要一致的來保障民眾的食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
2798.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
2800.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
不過因為在乙型受體素的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
2800.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
2805.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
在衛福部這邊我們從相關的開放進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
2805.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
2808.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
開放就是說開放這個用乙型受體素的飼養 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
2808.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
2814.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
曾經使用乙型受體素他飼養之後的這樣子的熱品等等的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
2814.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
2817.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
我們在我們的儀表板一直都有相關的揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
2817.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
2819.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
那像在更早之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
2819.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
2822.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
因為之前是前一段時間之前是大家關注的原因關注的是豬肉 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
2822.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
2825.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
不過更早之前在牛肉的部分就已經開放了 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
2825.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
2830.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
所以這個是已經在台灣已經是非常多年以來的一個執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
2830.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
2832.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
那我們在儀表板上的揭露也都很明確的揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
2832.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
2836.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
在豬肉這邊都有揭露就是說都是能夠進到台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
2836.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
2839.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
能夠來給民眾使用都是符合我們的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
2839.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
2843.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
那主要是擔心是說針對單一這邊來標示的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
2843.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
2845.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
就像剛剛署長這邊說明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
2845.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
2848.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
因為各種動物用藥的種類很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
2848.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
2850.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
那當然我們的把關是把關在 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
2850.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
2852.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
不論它是這些都是合法動物用藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
2852.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
2855.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
而進到台灣的時候都必須符合我們的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
2855.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
2858.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
那如果僅就單一的這個用藥來標示的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
2858.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
2860.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
擔心民眾會以為只有一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
2860.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
2863.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
這樣其實對於民眾來說不是一個好的資訊的揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
2863.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
2865.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
那另外擔心也是WTO的這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
2865.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
2869.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
因為在WTO裡面的標示規範要遵循不歧視原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
2869.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
2871.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
那如果這樣子擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
2871.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
2873.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
一旦還有一個事情就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
2873.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
2876.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
因為我們現在也是希望這個食安法能夠趕快來修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
2876.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
2879.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
如果修完的這個文字之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
2879.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
2881.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
會引起WTO對我們提出的一些意見的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
2881.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
2883.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
擔心反而因為這個原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
2883.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
2885.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
我們這個法會沒有辦法執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
2885.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
2886.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
以上先補充一下,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
2889.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
2891.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
所以,廖元,請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
2891.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
2893.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
問戶這樣說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
2893.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
2895.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
您可以接受還是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
2895.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
2897.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
還有不同的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
2897.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
2899.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
還是堅持您的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
2899.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
2901.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
我是覺得是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
2901.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
2903.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
再保留讓他們再回去討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
2903.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
2905.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
到時候再回來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
2905.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
2907.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
把這件事情再理清楚好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
2907.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
2909.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
因為我是認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
2909.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
2911.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
這個所謂的儀表板應該還是不足以讓人民安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
2911.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
2913.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
做了很多的儀表板 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
2913.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
2915.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
可是說真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
2915.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
2917.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
他在採購這個食品的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
2917.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
2919.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
我還是會看一下儀表板 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
2919.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
2921.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
我想這個在實務上可能也 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
2921.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
2923.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
不太符合消費者的習慣 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
2923.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
2925.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
也不太能夠真的讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
2925.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
2927.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
民眾的知情權 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
2927.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
2929.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
可以充分的得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
2929.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
2931.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
那如果你們有更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
2931.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
2933.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
可以讓民眾有更好的知情的方向的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
2933.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
2935.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
我覺得之後還可以再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
2935.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
2937.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
那我認為這條不如就先保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
2938.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
2940.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
好如果沒有共識我們這條 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
2940.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
2942.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
請請保留我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
2942.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
2944.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
續審第25條 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
2944.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
2946.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
廖宇翔等人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
2946.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
2948.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
的提案請為部說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
2949.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
2951.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
針對25條 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
2951.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
2953.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
有委員提案25條的 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
2953.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
2955.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
內容主要是針對中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
2955.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
2957.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
得對直接供應飲食 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
2957.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
2959.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
之場所以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
2959.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
2961.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
我們的販售 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
2961.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
2963.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
特定散裝食品的販售者 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
2963.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
2965.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
那提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
2965.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
2967.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
要明定若 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
2967.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
2969.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
若含乙型受 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
2969.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
2971.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
提出因強制標示之 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
2971.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
2973.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
鑒於食品標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
2973.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
2975.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
如同剛才所說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
2975.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
2977.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
一體適用於國產以及進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
2977.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
2979.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
產品動物用藥的確是 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
2979.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
2981.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
眾多不只有單一的動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
2981.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
2983.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
用藥做標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
2983.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
2985.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
那否則反提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
2985.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
2987.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
不正確的資訊國際上 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
2987.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
2989.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
也未有針對某一種動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
2989.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
2991.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
用藥要求標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
2991.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
2993.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
那我國為WTO會員 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
2993.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
2995.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
對標示規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
2995.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
2997.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
應遵循不其實的原則強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
2997.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
2999.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
要求產品進標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
2999.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
3001.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
含有乙型受提出並不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
3001.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
3003.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
國際的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
3003.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
3005.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
令儒修業一 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
3005.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
3007.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
等十六位委員提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
3007.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
3009.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
提案明定餐廳或 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
3009.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
3011.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
散專食品之 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
3011.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
3013.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
菜單或廣告中 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
3013.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
3015.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
涉及原鄉特色 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
3015.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
3017.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
農產品者 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
3017.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
3019.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
應標示其原料原產地 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
3019.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
3021.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
之行政區域或部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
3021.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
3023.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
名稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
3023.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
3025.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
非原鄉原料不得使用原鄉 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
3025.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
3027.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
部落等字樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
3027.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
3029.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
那現行法第 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
3029.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
3031.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
二十五條第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
3031.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
3033.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
就是已經授權中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
3033.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
3035.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
得就特定事項以公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
3035.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
3037.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
方式處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
3037.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
3039.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
另對於食品標示及廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
3039.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
3041.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
使用的原住民特色 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
3041.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
3043.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
相關的宣傳者 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
3043.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
3045.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
含有不實誇張 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
3045.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
3047.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
一身誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
3047.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
3049.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
也可以依照我們現行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
3049.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
3051.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
3051.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
3053.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
二十八條第一項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
3053.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
3055.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
予以裁處所以食安法立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
3055.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
3057.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
的目的為管理食品安全衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
3057.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
3059.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
安全及品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
3059.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
3061.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
維護國民健康並確保 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
3061.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
3063.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
消費者權益目前我國之標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
3063.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
3065.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
規定與國際標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
3065.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
3067.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
大致相符 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
3067.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
3069.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
食品與及食品添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
3069.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
3071.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
標示規定需一體 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
3071.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
3073.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
適用於國產及輸入 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
3073.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
3075.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
產品原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
3075.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
3077.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
3077.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
3079.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
安全衛生一致標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
3079.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
3081.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
強制要求標示原料原 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
3081.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
3083.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
產地或原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
3083.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
3085.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
特色原料來源供以 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
3085.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
3087.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
食安法立法目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
3087.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
3089.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
為終止不符號 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
3089.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
3091.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
依法符合不歧視 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
3091.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
3093.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
避免不必要的貿易 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
3093.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
3095.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
障礙等WTO國際規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
3095.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
3097.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
3097.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
3099.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
3101.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
3103.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
請問委員針對這一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
3106.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
3108.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
我想因為這一條跟剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
3108.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
3110.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
24條其實是一樣的概念啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
3110.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
3112.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
所以我覺得如果還是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
3112.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
3114.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
我覺得這個東西沒有公司的話是不是也保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
3114.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
3116.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
那我還是反過頭來講啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
3116.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
3118.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
不是說很強硬堅持 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
3118.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
3120.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
或是怎麼樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
3120.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
3122.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
就是我想根本原因是要解除 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
3122.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
3124.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
人民對於這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
3124.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
3126.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
基因改造食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
3126.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
3128.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
或者是這種異形動物用藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
3128.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
3130.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
異形受體素等等的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
3130.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
3132.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
3132.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
3134.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
如果沒有辦法解決這個疑慮的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
3134.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
3136.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
這個條文就是我們必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
3136.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
3138.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
繼續往下保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
3138.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
3140.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
下一輪再來討論謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
3141.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
3143.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
那請問其他委員有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
3143.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
3145.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
要發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
3146.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
3148.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
沒有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
3148.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
3150.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
就是25條也先行保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
3153.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
3155.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
我們續審第28條 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
3155.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
3157.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
請注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
3157.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
3159.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
我請教一下食藥署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
3160.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
3162.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
我們現在這些沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
3163.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
3165.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
台糖大部分都是自己進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
3167.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
3169.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
自己裝櫃 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
3169.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
3171.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
那他大部分都是買美國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
3171.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
3173.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
3172.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
3174.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
那美國的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
3174.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
3176.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
事實上他的蛋白質含量高 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
3177.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
3179.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
第二個他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
3179.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
3181.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
濕度比較OK |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
3182.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
3184.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
第三他是用貨櫃裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
3185.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
3187.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
3186.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
3188.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
大部分都是基改的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
3188.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
3190.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
事實上我們已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
3190.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
3192.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
吃了很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
3192.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
3194.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
我去早餐店我會看他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
3195.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
3197.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
豆子 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
3198 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
3200 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
他是寫for human use |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
3200 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
3202 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
人在使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
3202 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
3204 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
他有的是for animal use |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
3205.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
3207.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
那我會去注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
3207.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
3209.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
他是不是for human use |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
3209.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
3211.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
那再來基改 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
3211.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
3213.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
他就是給你標明他是基改的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
3213.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
3215.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
那我們現在都已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
3215.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
3217.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
在吃了可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
3217.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
3219.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
大量在吃了 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
3219.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
3221.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
那我們現在黃過頭來希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
3221.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
3223.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
3223.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
3225.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
食安法修讓他不要進校園 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
3225.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
3227.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
那不要進哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
3227.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
3229.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
我請問署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
3229.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
3231.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
或者次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
3231.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
3233.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
3232.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
3234.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
現在你是 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
3234.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
3236.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
該該你有沒有面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
3236.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
3238.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
還是說不能硬 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
3238.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
3240.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
你會遵守嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
3240.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
3242.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
顏色問題觀念問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
3242.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
3244.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
3245.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
3247.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
謝謝委員的詢詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
3247.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
3249.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
有關於基因改造食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
3249.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
3251.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
在邊境進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
3251.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
3253.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
以及基改已經非基改的 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
3253.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
3255.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
我們在基改食品的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
3255.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
3257.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
我們針對幾項是做完整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
3257.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
3259.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
審查確立 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
3259.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
3261.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
他的使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
3261.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
3263.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
原油跟範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
3263.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
3265.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
那這部分是已經確立下來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
3265.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
3267.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
那對於剛才特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
3267.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
3269.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
基因改造食品在校園 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
3269.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
3271.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
的部分那其實是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
3271.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
3273.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
教育部主管相關的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
3273.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
3275.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
之下做了一些的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
3275.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
3277.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
那我想各校的 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
3277.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
3279.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
的狀況呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
3279.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
3281.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
我們就尊重各校教育部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
3281.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
3283.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
主管的範圍那我們是以 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
3283.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
3285.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
食品的安全以及他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
3285.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
3287.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
可能的風險經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
3287.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
3289.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
食品安全風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
3289.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
3291.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
營養諮議會在先前 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
3291.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
3293.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
的也有基因改造食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
3293.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
3295.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
相關諮議會做審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
3295.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
3297.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
確立所以對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
3297.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
3299.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
基改的部分我們對基改 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
3299.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
3301.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
非基改的 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
3301.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
3303.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
一定要做揭露的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
3303.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
3305.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
我們特別有提到在 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
3305.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
3307.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
標示上面非基改的一例 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
3307.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
3309.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
能夠標示非基改讓民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
3309.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
3311.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
可以確立 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
3311.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
3313.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
也是我們在例行的長期 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
3313.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
3315.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
在後市場的稽查的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
3315.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
3317.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
那也做這方面的稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
3317.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
3319.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
讓民眾可以確實知道他 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
3319.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
3321.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
現在使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
3321.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
3323.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
食品是屬於基改或是非基改 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
3323.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
3325.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
目前的實行的狀況以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
3327.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
3329.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
好謝謝我們四位 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
3329.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
3331.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
的討論內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
3331.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
3333.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
3333.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
3335.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
衛生福利部的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
3336.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
3338.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
所以25條就進行保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
3338.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
3340.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
我們續審第28條 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
3340.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
3342.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
有黃建豪等委員的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
3342.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
3344.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
請衛福部說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
3349.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
3351.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
有關於修正條文第28條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
3351.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
3353.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
有委員提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
3353.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
3355.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
28條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
3355.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
3357.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
特別針對於我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
3357.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
3359.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
相關食品的標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
3359.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
3361.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
食品的食品添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
3361.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
3363.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
3363.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
3365.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
食品用洗潔劑進中央主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
3365.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
3367.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
公告的器具 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
3367.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
3369.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
食品包裝容器 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
3369.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
3371.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
及標示宣傳廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
3371.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
3373.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
不得有不實誇張 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
3373.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
3375.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
一聲誤解的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
3375.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
3377.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
那為部分食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
3377.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
3379.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
3379.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
3381.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
應誘兒食用之相關的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
3381.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
3383.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
人可能透過文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
3383.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
3385.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
圖像符號及包裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
3385.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
3387.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
設計成立的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
3387.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
3389.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
網路銷售 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
3389.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
3391.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
收購頁面或其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
3391.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
3393.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
方式表示暗示 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
3393.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
3395.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
或使用消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
3395.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
3397.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
卻誤認其適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
3397.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
3399.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
供應應誘兒食用 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
3399.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
3401.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
所以應誘兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
3401.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
3403.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
處於生長發育期 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
3403.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
3405.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
消化代謝及 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
3405.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
3407.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
營養需求均以一般成人不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
3407.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
3409.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
食品標示及行銷資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
3409.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
3411.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
由於避免誤導 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
3411.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
3413.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
原修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
3413.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
3415.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
第一項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
3415.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
3417.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
我們明定食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
3417.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
3419.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
未符合供應誘兒食用相關規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
3419.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
3421.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
不得表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
3421.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
3423.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
暗示使人誤認其適合供應應誘兒食用 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
3423.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
3425.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
不得表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
3425.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
3427.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
暗示使人誤認其適合供應應誘兒食用 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
3427.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
3429.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
不得表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
3429.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
3431.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
這邊的第一項修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
3431.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
3433.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
也跟各位委員提供的 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
3433.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
3435.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
一些文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
3435.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
3437.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
我們作為中整之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
3437.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
3439.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
作為參差 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
3439.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
3441.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
所以在第28條第一項後段的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
3441.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
3443.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
我們特別把它改成 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
3443.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
3445.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
加入食品未符合供應誘兒食用相關規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
3445.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
3447.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
不得以任何方式表示暗示或使人誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
3447.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
3449.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
不得以任何方式表示暗示或使人誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
3449.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
3451.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
不得以任何方式表示暗示或使人誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
3451.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
3453.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
不得以任何方式表示暗示或使人誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
3453.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
3455.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
誤認其適合供應誘兒食用 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
3455.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
3457.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
不得以任何方式表示暗示或使人誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
3457.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
3459.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
不得以任何方式表示暗示或使人誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
3459.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
3461.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
不得以任何方式表示暗示或使人誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
3457.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
3459.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
令第二點為確保特殊營養食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
3459.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
3461.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
令第二點為確保特殊營養食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
3461.86 |
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3465.86 |
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亦導致慢性病或不適合兒童及特殊需求者 |
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3465.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
3469.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
長期食用之食品之食用安全 |
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3469.86 |
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3471.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
兼顧保障消費者知情權 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
3471.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
3479.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
並避免業者以包裝行銷或營養資訊落差誤導消費者 |
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3479.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
3483.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
第三項明定中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
3483.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
3485.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
得要求加助必要警語 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
3488.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
3490.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
或接營養 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
3491.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
3493.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
接入營養資訊 |
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3494.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
3498.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
其食品項目限制方式必要警語 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
3498.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
3502.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
營養資訊、揭露與其他因遵行事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
3502.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
3505.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
受強中央主管機關訂定之 |
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3505.11 |
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3509.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
所以就是我們在第三項的後段的部分 |
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3509.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
3514.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
特別加入了必要警語、營養資訊、揭露 |
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3514.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
3516.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
以上的文字、以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
3517.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
3519.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
趙委我再補充一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
3519.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
3520.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
好,請 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
3520.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
3522.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
好,謝謝各委員的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
3522.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
3525.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
其實委員這邊我們也謝謝委員關注到 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
3525.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
3529.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
尤其我想在這一條裡面特別關注到 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
3529.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
3533.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
其中有包裝食品宣稱嬰幼兒食品標示規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
3533.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
3537.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
這個在日前其實食藥署這邊也有在研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
3537.34 |
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3540.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
就是我們對於包裝食品宣稱嬰幼兒食品標示規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
3540.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
3544.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
這邊要做一些包含圖案或者是規定的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
3544.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
3548.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
現有的是在食安法28條第三項有授權訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
3548.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
3552.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
不適合兒童長期食用知識廣告跟促銷管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
3554.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
3556.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
這個部分,不過因為委員這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
3556.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
3558.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
其實在委員的版本裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
3558.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
3559.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
就像剛剛署長提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
3559.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
3560.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
委員的版本裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
3560.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
3563.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
雖然我們原先是用其他法條去授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
3563.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
3565.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
不過委員在這28條這邊要處理的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
3565.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
3566.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
我們也支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
3566.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
3568.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
所以剛剛署長提到在第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
3569.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
3571.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
這個原條文的後面就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
3571.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
3573.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
不得有不實誇張或一身誤解之情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
3574.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
3576.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
之後那我們參採委員文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
3576.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
3578.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
以食品未符合專攻嬰幼兒食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
3578.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
3579.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
但相關規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
3579.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
3583.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
亦不得以任何方式表示、暗示或使人誤認其 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
3583.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
3585.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
適合供嬰幼兒使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
3585.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
3587.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
不過委員這邊其中 |
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3587.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
3590.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
網友名委員提到的糖納或飽和脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
3590.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
3594.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
防止任意含量達中央主管機關公告標準之食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
3594.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
3596.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
像我們也可以理解委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
3596.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
3598.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
其實是想要避免高糖高鹽的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
3598.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
3601.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
但是這邊我們擔心就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
3601.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
3603.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
對於假設是原來它是調味料 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
3603.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
3606.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
或基本某些食材可能會有造成一些在 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
3606.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
3610.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
管理上面、管制上面可能會造成這個誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
3610.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
3613.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
因為比方說糖它這整瓶都是糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
3613.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
3615.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
但它用的時候只用少少量一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
3615.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
3617.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
會有這個標示上面它是高大量 |
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3617.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
3620.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
但是事實上使用的時候只有使用少量 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
3620.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
3621.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
所以用這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
3621.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
3624.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
當然我們可以理解我們要推動的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
3624.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
3627.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
希望讓民眾能夠了解健康的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
3627.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
3629.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
那在我們的國健署 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
3629.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
3631.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
目前對於飲食、膳食相關的指引這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
3631.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
3632.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
已經在執行 |
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3632.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
3637.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
所以擔心是說直接寫訂了糖納飽和脂防酸 |
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3637.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
3639.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
這個任意達這個公告基準這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
3639.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
3642.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
擔心在標示上面可能會導致一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
3642.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
3644.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
後面的爭議跟誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
3645.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
3648.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
三項這一邊我們在原來文字裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
3648.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
3650.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
其實食品之項目促銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
3652.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
3654.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
廣告之限制與停止刊播 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
3654.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
3656.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
然後後面加上頓號 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
3656.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
3659.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
再將必要錦羽、頓號、營養資訊揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
3659.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
3662.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
及其他應遵循事項之辦法這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
3662.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
3666.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
讓我們把比方說包含必要這錦羽或營養揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
3666.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
3668.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
我們有另外一個方式來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
3668.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
3669.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
3668.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
3671.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
好,有請王衛明委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
3671.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
3672.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
好,謝謝周圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
3672.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
3675.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
那個關於第二十八條 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
3675.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
3677.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
我這邊的條文內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
3677.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
3679.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
其實主要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
3679.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
3682.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
因為包括糖跟鈉還有飽和脂防 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
3682.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
3684.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
如果它已經是超標 |
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3684.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
3688.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
但是它還繼續用一些廣告的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
3688.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
3693.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
或去誤導家長提供給孩子食用的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
3693.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
3697.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
我覺得那個是不利我們的兒童的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
3697.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
3699.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
所以為什麼在我的版本裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
3699.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
3702.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
我特別把這個列出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
3702.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
3707.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
因為有一些他可能為了追求口感或是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
3707.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
3709.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
但是那些食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
3709.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
3712.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
他並沒有特別去注意到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
3712.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
3714.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
兒童他真的適合食用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
3714.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
3716.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
大概是什麼樣的標準 |
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3716.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
3719.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
那如果譬如說有的含糖量已經很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
3719.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
3723.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
但是他還是就是一直去促銷廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
3723.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
3725.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
那家長其實也沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
3725.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
3727.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
就是那麼的敏感去注意到 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
3727.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
3729.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
然後他可能都就是把他 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
3729.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
3731.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
譬如說有些含糖飲料很高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
3731.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
3733.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
然後他就標榜說適合孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
3733.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
3735.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
但是其實沒有那麼適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
3735.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
3737.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
但是他不斷地去促銷廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
3737.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
3738.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
我要問衛福部的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
3738.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
3740.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
針對這一類 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
3741.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
3743.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
因為我們現在進一步修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
3743.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
3745.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
我是覺得我們現在又少子化 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
3745.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
3747.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
孩子的健康真的很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
3747.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
3749.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
那這種如果已經不符合你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
3749.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
3751.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
原來這個公告基準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
3751.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
3752.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
已經是過量的 |
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3752.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
3754.59 |
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他還繼續廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
3754.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
3756.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
那你今天不定在這個母法 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
3756.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
3759.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
請問你要怎麼去限制他 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
3759.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
3762.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
你現在我會看起來是無法可管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
3762.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
3764.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
如果是這一類 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
3764.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
3765.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
他已經超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
3765.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
3766.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
但是他繼續廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
3766.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
3768.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
我就叫衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
3768.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
3770.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
3769.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
3771.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
哪一個部分的法院去限制他 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
3771.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
3773.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
現在看起來是沒有的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
3774.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
3775.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
那我這樣的寫法 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
3775.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
3776.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
就變成你有法源 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
3776.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
3778.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
我事實上是讓你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
3778.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
3780.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
可以在這個管制上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
3780.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
3782.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
因為我特別在乎的就是這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
3782.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
3783.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
嬰幼兒的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
3783.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
3785.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
真的我們只能從眼不能從寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
3786.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
3788.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
所以過去也有爆發一些這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
3788.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
3790.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
譬如說米餅啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
3790.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
3792.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
那有一些其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
3792.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
3794.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
3793.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3795.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
可能他雖然標榜明明就好像很適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
3795.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3797.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
baby吃但有的其實沒有那麼適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
3797.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3799.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
他可能糖其實過高 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3799.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3801.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
那像這種怎麼辦呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3801.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3803.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
就是說他可能那也多了一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3803.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3804.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
糖也多了一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3804.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3806.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
但他一直說很適合孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3806.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3808.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
那有些阿公阿嬤就覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
3808.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3809.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
這君后啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3809.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3811.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
他就覺得這一類一定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
3811.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3812.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
一定是好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3812.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3813.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
但事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3813.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3815.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
他可能已經超過你的標準了 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3815.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3817.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
那我就就叫衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3817.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3819.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
那這一類 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3819.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3821.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
就是要怎麼管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3821.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3823.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
我個人的立場我覺得這一種嬰幼兒食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3823.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3825.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
當然你是從眼 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
3825.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3827.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
你就是真的符合你標準再去廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3827.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3829.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
不符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3829.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
3831.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
不應該讓他們再大量去行銷吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
3831.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
3833.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
這個是我的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
3833.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
3835.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
所以希望衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
3835.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
3837.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
可以給一個答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
3837.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
3839.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
好謝謝委員喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
3839.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
3841.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
我想這邊我們分幾層來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
3841.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
3843.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
所以剛剛委員提到嬰幼兒的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
3843.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
3845.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
因為嬰幼兒食品有另外的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
3845.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
3847.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
嬰幼兒食品針對特定的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
3847.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
3849.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
不論是營養素或者是重金屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
3849.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
3851.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
它有高於一般食品的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
3851.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
3853.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
3853.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
3855.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
對比較嚴格的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
3855.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
3857.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
所以剛剛我們講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
3857.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
3859.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
嬰幼兒跟委員講的這邊的嬰幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
3859.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
3861.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
在第一項這邊我們特別去標 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
3861.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
3863.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
那在第三項委員這邊講到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
3863.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
3865.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
兒童的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
3865.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
3867.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
這邊我們建議我們的文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
3867.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
3869.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
我們這邊建議的文字就是以必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
3869.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
3871.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
僅與營養資訊揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
3871.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
3873.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
來協助就是說讓家長或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
3873.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
3875.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
兒童可以理解跟辨認 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
3875.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
3877.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
他的使用的食品裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
3877.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
3879.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
當然我們也知道我不希望兒童使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
3879.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
3881.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
高鹽高油的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
3881.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
3883.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
細節我請在署長這邊還有再補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
3888.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
3890.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
這邊進一步的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
3890.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
3892.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
因為SANFAR的第28條 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
3892.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
3894.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
的第三項其實就 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
3894.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
3896.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
有授權我們訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
3896.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
3898.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
不適合兒童長期使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
3898.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
3900.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
之食品廣告及 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
3900.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
3902.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
促銷管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
3902.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
3904.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
我們是不是可以在這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
3904.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
3906.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
那辦法裡面的第二條也針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
3906.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
3908.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
零食糖果飲料 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
3908.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
3910.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
冰品及 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
3910.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
3912.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
直接供應飲食場所的 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
3912.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
3914.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
食品若其止防 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
3914.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
3916.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
飽和止防 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
3916.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
3918.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
或額外添加糖質含量 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
3919.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
3921.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
達特定標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
3921.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
3923.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
我們以明文限制其對 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
3923.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
3925.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
兒童進行廣告與促銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
3926.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
3928.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
並訂有相關的法則 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
3928.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
3930.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
包括網路頁面 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
3930.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
3932.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
販售頁面 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
3932.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
3934.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
社群推播 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
3934.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
3936.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
贈品促銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
3936.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
3938.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
賣場陳列等多元的媒介 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
3939.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
3941.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
那一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
3941.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
3945.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
以可取代正餐飲食之表示或 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
3945.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
3947.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
表徵為廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
3947.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
3949.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
或對兒童以贈送加購玩具 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
3949.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
3951.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
或以玩具為獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
3951.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
3953.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
等行銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
3954.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
3956.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
為促銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
3956.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
3958.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
我們針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
3958.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
3960.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
市售一歲以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
3960.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
3962.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
嬰幼兒及較大嬰兒配方食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
3962.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
3964.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
同時去遵循 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
3964.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
3966.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
嬰兒及較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
3967.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
3971.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
嬰兒配方食品廣告及促銷方法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
3971.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
3975.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
不得涉及廣告及促銷行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
3975.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
3977.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
所以這邊特別提到的是包括兩個辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
3977.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
3981.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
一個是不適合兒童長期使用之食品廣告及促銷管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
3981.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
3987.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
以及嬰兒與較大嬰兒配方食品廣告及促銷管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
3987.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
3991.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
這邊是不是可以跟委員這邊做進一步的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
3991.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
3993.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
那我們在這兩個辦法裡面 |
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3993.02 |
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3995.02 |
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可以進一步的做更嚴格的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
3995.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
3997.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
來做限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
3999.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
4003.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
你剛剛講的那些其實也是之前我在立法院推動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
4003.42 |
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4007.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
就是說就是要避免孩子去使用這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
4007.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
4009.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
高鈉高糖這一些垃圾食物 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
4009.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
4011.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
那我這次的修法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
4011.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
4015.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
我特別著重還有這個嬰幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
4015.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
4017.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
我這邊的文字其實都是嬰幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
4017.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
4019.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
另外一個就是說有一些廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
4019.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
4021.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
他明明沒有那麼適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
4021.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
4023.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
他那個模糊的界線 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
4023.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
4025.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
但是他會去誤導家長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
4025.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
4027.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
他是適合嬰幼兒食品 |
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4027.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
4029.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
這一類的廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
4029.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
4031.42 |
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我要問的是這一類 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
4031.42 |
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4033.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
你們現在在現行的法規裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
4033.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
4035.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
如果我們今天不在母法裡面講這麼清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
4035.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
4039.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
你是有辦法去叫他下架的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
4039.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
4043.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
光是前面的這個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
4043.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
4047.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
這邊如果不寫清楚限制其促銷廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
4047.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
4049.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
而且要加註警語要揭露營養資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
4049.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
4051.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
你這些都不寫的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
4051.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
4055.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
你現行的法規跟辦法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
4055.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
4057.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
因為這個就變成是有點模糊空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
4060.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
4062.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
他就是去促銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
4062.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
4064.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
因為在商言商他就是能賣多就賣多 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
4064.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
4066.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
他一定說他什麼都適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
4066.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
4068.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
嬰幼兒什麼都適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
4069.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
4071.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
如果他的本質其實不適合的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
4071.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
4073.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
他沒有特別標榜他是嬰幼兒食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
4073.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
4075.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
這應該兩個層次 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
4075.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
4077.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
有一種是他本身就嬰幼兒食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
4077.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
4079.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
你們很嚴格對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
4079.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
4081.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
但有一種是他說大人小孩都愛吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
4081.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
4083.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
然後說阿公阿嬤也可以買給嬰幼兒吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
4083.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
4085.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
但他的那個東西就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
4087.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
4089.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
他不是專屬嬰幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
4089.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
4091.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
但是他把廣告說 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
4091.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
4093.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
這個也都很適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
4093.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
4095.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
全家大小都愛吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
4095.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
4097.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
都可以吃但他明明不適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
4097.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
4099.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
我這邊的法醫 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
4099.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
4101.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
他真正的精神是說這一類 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
4101.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
4103.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
來與木混珠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
4103.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
4105.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
你有沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
4105.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
4107.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
叫他不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].start |
4106.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
4108.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
說適合嬰幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
4109.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
4111.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
4112.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
4114.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
在這次我們修完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
4114.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
4116.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
如果以委員文字到第一項的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
4116.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
4118.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
為符合專攻 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
4118.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
4120.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
嬰幼兒食用的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
4120.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
4122.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
他就不可以暗示或明示說他適合嬰幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
4122.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
4124.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
所以嬰幼兒這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
4124.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
4126.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
不可以就是說這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
4126.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
4128.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
如果我們這樣寫下去他比方說 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
4128.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
4130.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
這一個食品他不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
4130.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
4132.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
給他不適合嬰幼兒食用 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
4132.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
4134.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
他上面又廣告說嬰幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
4134.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
4136.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
像前一段時間海苔就是這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
4136.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
4138.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
所以這一項第一項可以解決這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
4138.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
4140.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
好那剛剛委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
4140.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
4142.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
修正條文的第三項裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
4142.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
4144.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
是不是容我們調整一下下 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
4144.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
4146.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
文字就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
4146.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
4148.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
因為委員這邊第三項是 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
4148.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
4150.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
中央專長機關對於特殊營養食品這一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
4150.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
4152.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
好 疫倒之慢性病或不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
4152.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
4154.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
和兒童及特殊需求長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
4155.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
4157.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
食用質食品其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
4157.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
4159.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
疫倒之慢性病或不適合兒童這邊剛剛委員所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
4159.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
4161.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
糖鈉或飽和脂肪酸 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
4161.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
4163.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
委員想要講的就是這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
4163.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
4165.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
只是委員這邊遁號之後的糖鈉或飽和脂肪酸 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
4165.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
4167.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
是任意含量 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
4167.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
4169.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
我們就管到的是所有食品裡面的糖鈉了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
4171.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
4173.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
所以是不是讓我們從不適合兒童這一邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
4173.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
4175.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
那這也是我們剛剛跟委員說明說 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
4175.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
4177.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
現行第28條第三項授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
4177.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
4179.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
我們的不適合兒童 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
4179.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
4181.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
就原來條文裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
4181.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
4183.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
不適合兒童長期食用之食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
4183.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
4185.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
那我們在細則就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
4185.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
4187.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
委員之前說我們現在在那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
4187.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
4189.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
他所授權之後我們所訂定的不適合兒童 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
4189.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
4191.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
長期食用之食品廣告及抽象管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
4191.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
4193.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
辦法就是用這一條來處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
4193.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
4195.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
那所以委員想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
4195.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
4197.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
加強對於不適合兒童的 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
4197.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
4199.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
長期食用的這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
4199.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
4201.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
這一塊裡面的糖鈉或飽和脂肪酸 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
4201.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
4203.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
我們現行是寫在 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
4203.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
4205.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
管理辦法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
4205.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
4207.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
那委員如果想要拉回母法 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
4207.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
4209.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
是不是我們回來文字這邊我們把 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
4210.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
4212.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
4212.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
4214.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
因為其實現有已經有了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
4214.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
4216.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
4216.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
4218.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
因為委員的這個文字我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
4218.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
4220.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
擔心的就是說糖鈉或飽和脂肪酸是 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
4220.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
4222.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
任意含量它變成是另外一種食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].start |
4222.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
4224.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
就是這個食品的糖不論是不是給孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
4224.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
4226.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
吃這個食品的糖這個食品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].start |
4226.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
4228.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
鈉或這個食品的飽和脂肪酸任意含量 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
4228.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].end |
4230.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
都達到我們公告的基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
4230.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
4232.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
他的公告跟兒童的公告是 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
4232.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
4234.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
兩個是不同的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].start |
4234.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
4236.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
所以我們是不是我們再調整一下讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
4236.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
4238.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
委員讓我們再跟委員調整一下文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
4238.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
4240.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
把這一項限縮回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
4240.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
4242.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
針對兒童好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
4242.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
4244.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
好那麻煩你調整一下文字謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
4244.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
4246.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
對不起喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].start |
4246.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
4248.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].start |
4248.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
4250.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
我們在少子化的階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].start |
4250.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
4252.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
除了家庭都應有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
4252.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
4254.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
都把它當成寶一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
4254.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
4256.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
4256.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
4258.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
在這個營養補充的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].start |
4258.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
4260.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
包括常規營養或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].start |
4260.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
4262.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
一些額外補充一定都 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
4262.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
4264.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
非常的用心 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
4264.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
4266.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
所以其實我玉米委員說 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
4266.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
4268.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
想要促成的或 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
4268.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
4270.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
擔心的事情的確是很需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
4270.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
4272.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
去考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
4272.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
4274.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
那不過剛剛外務部也有說明說 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
4274.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
4276.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
如果我們把這個全部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
4276.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
4278.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
內容玉米委員所提供的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
4278.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
4280.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
第三項的修正糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
4280.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
4282.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
等等像是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
4282.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
4284.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
好像加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
4284.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
4286.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
這方面的注意可是又擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
4286.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
4288.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
會不會有其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
4288.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
4290.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
會注意到的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
4290.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
4292.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
所以我會建議是不是在必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
4292.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
4294.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
就是我們修正在必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
4294.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
4296.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
檢疫營養資訊接合等等的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
4296.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
4298.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
4299.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
4301.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
沒有需要把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
4301.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
4303.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
那麼細節寫到母法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
4303.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
4305.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
可不可以把這個精神在 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
4305.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
4307.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
立法說明也加強說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
4307.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
4309.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
讓它更完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
4309.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
4311.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
等一下修正的內容也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
4311.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
4313.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
我們從陰謀上再做確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
4313.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
4315.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
4315.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
4317.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
就是說我們玉米是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
4317.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
4319.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
我們從必要檢疫營養資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
4319.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
4321.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
接落這邊然後到時候我們會怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
4321.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
4323.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
處理來做個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
4323.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
4325.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
那陳青薇委員請 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
4325.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
4327.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
謝謝因為剛聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
4327.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
4329.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
王運文的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
4329.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
4331.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
所以我也想感謝一下衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
4331.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
4333.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
有參彩我們邱正君委員的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
4333.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
4335.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
那因為王運文的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
4335.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
4337.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
我也回想起就是當初我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
4340.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
4342.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
質詢這個本偏皮的標準的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
4342.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
4344.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
以韓國為例 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
4344.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
4346.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
他們就非常的強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
4346.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
4348.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
嬰兒食品安全的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
4348.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
4350.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
我們當時才發現說 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
4350.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
4352.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
原來韓國的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
4352.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
4354.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
在成人還有嬰幼兒方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
4354.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
4356.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
是不同的成人是 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
4356.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
4358.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
2 ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
4358.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
4360.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
嬰幼兒食品對於本偏皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
4360.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
4362.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
配方食品是定在 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
4362.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
4364.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
1 ppm以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
4364.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
4366.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
當然我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
4366.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
4368.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
王運文剛剛的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
4368.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
4370.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
也許衛福部現在不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
4370.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
4372.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
要怎麼把他列入母法的細項 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
4372.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
4374.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
但是他的精神應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
4374.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
4376.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
以廣告不實這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
4376.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
4378.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
的 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
4378.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
4380.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
的 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
4380.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
4382.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
態度去面對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
4382.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
4384.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
應該是這個意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
4384.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
4386.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
不知道怎麼把它再精緻化 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
4386.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
4388.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
可是我覺得對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
4388.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
4390.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
我國食安的標準希望在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
4390.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
4392.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
嬰幼兒的食品可以更加嚴格加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].start |
4392.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
4394.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
這應該是所有委員一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
4394.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
4396.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
共識謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
4397 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
4399 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
好那我們是不是先從 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
4399 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
4401 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
螢幕看一下可以有沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
4401 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
4403 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
調出大家可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
4404.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
4406.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
接受或者是有共識的文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
4406.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
4408.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
我們現在可以處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
4408.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
4410.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
4410.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
4412.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
4412.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
4414.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
第三項的文字這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
4414.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
4416.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
因為第三項文字也就是講到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
4416.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
4418.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
或導致慢性病或不適合兒童 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
4418.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
4420.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
特殊等等這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
4421.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
4423.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
促銷廣告之限制與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
4423.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
4425.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
停止刊播那必要警語 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
4425.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
4427.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
營養資訊揭露那必要警語這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
4427.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
4429.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
我們再另外再去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
4429.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
4431.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
從我們原來這一條裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
4431.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
4433.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
不適合兒童長期使用之 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
4433.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
4435.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
食品廣告促銷管理辦法這邊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
4435.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
4437.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
警語我們再去要求他必須加足 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
4437.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
4439.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
因為母法這邊有必要警語了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
4439.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
4441.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
那如果這一個食品裡面他是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
4441.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
4443.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
不適合兒童長期使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
4443.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
4445.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
那我們在他的相關的促銷管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
4445.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
4447.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
辦法裡面他在食品標示裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
4447.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
4449.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
我們就到時候我們再另外用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
4449.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
4451.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
去處理說這個食品不適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
4451.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
4453.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
比方說他含高糖分超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
4453.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
4455.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
百分之多少不適合兒童使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
4455.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
4457.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
我們在細節裡面另外到時候在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
4457.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
4459.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
警語上面再加註在這個食品標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
4459.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
4461.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
上面好不好讓家長就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
4461.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
4463.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
一眼而知因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
4463.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
4465.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
我也大概知道市面上有一些甚至在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
4465.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
4467.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
超商販賣零食他事實上是小朋友很愛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
4467.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
4469.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
但是事實上是不適合我懂委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
4469.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
4471.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
意思所以如果讓我們用這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
4471.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
4473.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
文字就是因為他到時候會在他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
4473.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
4475.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
這個上面要求必要警語 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
4475.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
4477.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
那所以畢竟有些食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
4477.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
4479.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
他在販賣的時候因為嬰兒食品是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
4479.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
4481.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
特別規定他如果嬰兒食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
4481.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
4483.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
他符合標準但是兒童這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
4483.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
4485.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
他因為兒童有的體重也跟大人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
4485.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
4487.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
差不多了等等所以他的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
4487.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
4489.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
來講沒有這樣的處理但是我們上面在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
4489.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
4491.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
到時候讓我們從這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
4491.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
4493.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
母法裡面用必要警語 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
4493.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
4495.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
那我們到時候在子法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
4495.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
4497.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
就是我們在不適合兒童長期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
4497.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
4499.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
使用食品廣告及促銷管理辦法這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
4499.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
4501.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
另外要求他們加註警語 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
4501.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
4503.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
就是標註比方說糖或鈉或 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
4503.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
4505.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
不飽和脂肪酸的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
4505.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
4507.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
含量超過多少所以不適合兒童使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
4507.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
4509.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
我們再把它加上去是不是可以讓我們用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
4509.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
4511.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
螢幕上所講的所你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
4511.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
4513.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
的這樣的修正文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
4514.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
4516.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
在這部分做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
4516.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
4518.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
用這樣的方式來把 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
4518.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
4520.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
加註了要修改 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
4520.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
4522.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
的部分寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
4524.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
4526.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
4527.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
4529.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
我們再打 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
4528.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
4530.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
4529.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
4531.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
另外標示我們就把這個說明寫在子法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
4531.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
4533.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
這樣那是不是委員同意我們用螢幕上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
4533.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
4535.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
這樣子的文字修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
4535.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
4537.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
所以請問會互宣讀一下修正的文字內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
4537.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
4539.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
也請各位委員來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
4539.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
4541.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
螢幕上的修正條文的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
4542.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
4544.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
我們修正的文字內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
4544.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
4546.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
我念一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
4546.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
4548.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
針對修正內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
4548.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
4550.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
4549.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
4551.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
特別在第一項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
4551.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
4553.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
4555.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
4557.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
第一項全部我都開始念 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
4558.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
4560.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
食品食品添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
4560.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
4562.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
食品燉耗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
4562.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
4564.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
食品添加物燉耗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
4564.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
4566.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
食品用清潔劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
4566.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
4568.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
及精中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
4568.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
4570.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
公告之食品器具 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
4570.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
4572.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
燉耗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
4572.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
4574.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
食品容器或包裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
4574.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
4576.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
燉耗其標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
4576.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
4578.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
燉耗宣傳或廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
4578.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
4580.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
燉耗不得有不實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
4580.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
4582.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
誇張或一身誤解之情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
4582.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
4584.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
分號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
4584.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
4586.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
食品未符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
4586.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
4588.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
中因誘而實用相關規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
4588.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
4590.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
逗號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
4590.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
4592.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
不得以任何方式表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
4594.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
4596.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
燉耗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
4595.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
4597.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
暗示或使人誤解其 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
4599.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
4601.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
誤認其適合供因誘而實用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
4605.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
4607.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
我剛才在上面有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
4607.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
4609.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
意志我們是不是可以把它給 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
4609.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
4611.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
刪除 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
4613.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
4615.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
我剛才在上面有一個意志我們是不是可以把它給刪除 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
4616.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
4618.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
對於我們暗示或使人誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
4618.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
4620.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
對於我們暗示或使人誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
4620.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
4622.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
誤認的部分可不可以改成誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
4627.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
4629.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
第二項食品不得為醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
4630.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
4632.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
效能之標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
4632.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
4634.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
燉耗宣傳或廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
4634.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
4636.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
句號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
4636.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
4638.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
中央主管機關對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
4638.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
4640.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
特殊營養食品燉耗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
4640.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
4642.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
亦導致慢性病 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
4642.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
4644.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
或不適合兒童及特殊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
4644.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
4646.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
需求者長期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
4646.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
4648.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
使用之食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
4648.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
4650.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
燉耗得限制期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
4650.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
4652.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
促銷或廣告分號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
4652.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
4654.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
其食品之項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
4654.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
4656.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
促銷或廣告之限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
4656.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
4658.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
與停止刊播燉耗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
4658.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
4660.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
必要緊與燉耗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
4660.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
4662.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
營養資訊、揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
4662.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
4664.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
及其他應遵行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
4664.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
4666.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
事項之辦法都好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
4666.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
4668.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
由中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
4668.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
4670.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
4670.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
4672.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
第一項不實燉耗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
4672.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
4674.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
誇張或一身誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
4674.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
4676.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
與第二項效能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
4676.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
4678.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
醫療效能之 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
4678.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
4680.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
認定基準燉耗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
4680.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
4682.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
宣傳或廣告之內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
4682.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
4684.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
燉耗方式及其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
4684.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
4686.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
應遵循 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
4686.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
4688.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
遵行事項之準則分號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
4688.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
4690.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
由中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
4690.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
4692.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
定制句號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
4692.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
4694.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
4699.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
4701.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
我覺得你們那個內容裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
4701.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
4703.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
就是那個如果這次要新增 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
4703.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
4705.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
必要緊與跟營養資訊揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
4705.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].end |
4707.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
可不可以在哪一個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
4707.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
4709.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
就是說應加註 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
4710.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
4712.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
就是營就是必要條件 |
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4712.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
4714.31 |
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你懂嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
4713.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
4715.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
不是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
4716.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
4718.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
一定要加註緊與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
4721.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
4723.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
4723.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
4725.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
應加註緊與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
4725.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
4727.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
4727.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
4729.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
這是必須做的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
4729.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
4731.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
你已經是不適合的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
4731.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
4733.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
你這些是一定要加註緊與的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
4733.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
4735.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
沒有模糊空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
4735.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
4737.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
就是看可以怎麼加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
4737.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].end |
4739.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
得限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
4739.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
4741.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
得限制促銷廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
4741.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
4743.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
委員可不可以在必要緊與的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
4743.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
4745.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
我們修正成應加註緊與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
4745.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
4747.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
對應加註緊與好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].start |
4747.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
4749.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
4749.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
4751.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
應加註緊與這樣子比較清晰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].start |
4753.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
4755.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
必要兩個字槓掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
4758.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
4760.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
就這樣就OK了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
4760.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
4762.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
4762.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
4764.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
4764.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
4766.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
請個人說還有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
4775.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
4777.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
4778.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
4782.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
如果大家經過充分討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
4782.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
4784.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
對於我們所修正的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
4784.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
4786.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
沒有意見的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].start |
4786.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
4788.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
就照委員王立民等人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
4788.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
4790.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].start |
4790.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
4792.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
請再加強這個立法說明的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].start |
4792.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
4794.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
另外補充立法說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].start |
4796.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
4798.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
4798.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
4800.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
我想問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
4800.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
4802.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
因為可不可以具體說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
4802.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
4804.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
什麼是暗示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
4806.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
4808.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
或使人誤解這個在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
4808.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
4810.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
定義上會不會到時候變成一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
4810.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
4812.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
就是未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
4812.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
4814.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
很多爭議的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
4814.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
4816.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
有跟委員說明暗示或使人誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
4816.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
4818.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
應該是今年有一個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
4818.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
4820.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
就是那個海苔的例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
4820.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
4822.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
就是說它在上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
4822.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
4824.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
它並不是專攻應用而實用的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
4824.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
4826.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
可是它上面用寶寶的頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
4826.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
4828.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
寶寶的圖像 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
4828.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
4830.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
暗示這是寶寶吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
4830.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
4832.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
OK我的想法只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
4832.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
4834.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
我覺得這個例子是OK啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
4834.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
4836.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
但是問題就是說未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
4836.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
4838.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
有沒有一個標準或是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
4838.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
4840.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
可以指引的相關的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
4840.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
4842.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
要不然我覺得未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
4842.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
4844.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
會不會有很多的誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
4844.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
4846.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
我怕會不會有很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
4847.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
4849.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
就到時候會不會很多反而 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
4849.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
4851.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
也有很多行政上會有人說我這個沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
4851.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
4853.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
你這個有到時候到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
4853.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
4855.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
怎麼判定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
4855.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
4857.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
的確在針對廣告的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].start |
4857.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
4859.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
提出來的我們會做整體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].start |
4859.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
4861.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
判定因為整體的觀感 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].start |
4861.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
4863.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
跟表現來做判定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].start |
4863.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
4865.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
的確如委員這邊提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
4865.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
4867.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
那我想在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
4867.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
4869.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
我們會提出相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
4869.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
4871.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
一些如果有裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
4871.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
4873.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
一定是會讓業者做進一步說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
4873.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
4875.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
那一般來講我們看到的都是相當明顯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
4875.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
4877.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
在裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
4877.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
4879.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
我們也進一步呢我們的廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
4879.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
4881.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
合規指引裡面也會把它列出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
4881.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
4883.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
4884.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
4886.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
沒有我沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
4886.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
4888.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
4888.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
4890.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
那主席這邊可不可以進一步來回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
4890.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
4892.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
剛才陳金輝委員特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
4892.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
4894.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
食品中其他污染物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
4894.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
4896.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
及毒素的限量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
4896.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
4898.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
部分我們在副表3的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
4898.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
4900.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
部分針對本篇批 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
4900.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
4902.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
那特別針對嬰幼兒的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
4902.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
4904.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
食品的部分在2.5的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
4904.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
4906.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
那我們有幾項對嬰幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
4906.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
4908.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
配方食品及較大嬰兒配方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
4908.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
4910.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
輔助食品我們也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
4910.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
4912.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
訂的比一般更嚴格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
4912.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
4914.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
規定是在1.0PPP |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].start |
4914.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
4916.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
那對嬰幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
4916.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
4918.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
2.5-3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
4918.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
4920.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
2.5-2裡面特殊醫療用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
4920.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
4922.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
嬰兒配方食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
4922.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
4924.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
嬰幼兒穀物類 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
4924.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
4926.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
輔助食品及 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
4926.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
4928.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
嬰幼兒副食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
4928.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
4930.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
都是在1.0PPP |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
4930.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
4932.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
的範圍大概跟委員做進一步的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
4932.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
4934.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
4935.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
4938.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
好 如果到這邊沒有其他問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
4938.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
4940.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
我們28條就照 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
4940.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
4942.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
再次確定照委員王玉敏 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
4942.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
4944.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
等人提案修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
4945.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
4947.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
我們再續審第30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
4947.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
4949.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
請問候說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
4950.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
4952.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
針對30條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
4952.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
4954.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
那委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
4954.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
4956.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
包括提案的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
4956.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
4958.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
針對輸入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
4958.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
4960.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
資金改造或經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
4960.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
4962.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
農業部指定之 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
4962.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
4964.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
大宗農產品 |
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4964.64 |
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4966.64 |
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應於邊境採取 |
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4968.64 |
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逐批或逐傳之查驗 |
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4970.64 |
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不適用防範 |
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4970.64 |
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4972.64 |
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風險調降 |
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查驗品 |
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4976.64 |
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查驗律規定這邊做進一步 |
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4978.64 |
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說明因為輸入食品 |
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4981.64 |
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邊境查驗因應風險管理為原則 |
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4983.64 |
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符合國際的規範 |
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4983.64 |
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4985.64 |
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我們國際間輸入食品 |
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4985.64 |
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4987.64 |
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是邊境查驗 |
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4987.64 |
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4991.64 |
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是依食品的安全風險及科學證據 |
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4991.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
4993.64 |
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採取適當之查驗措施 |
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4993.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
4997.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
以EWTO SPS協定精神 |
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4997.64 |
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5000.64 |
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相關措施應具備科學依據 |
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5000.64 |
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5005.64 |
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避免對國際貿易造成不必要之限制 |
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5005.64 |
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5009.64 |
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倘因法律明定特定產品一律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
5009.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
5011.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
逐批或逐傳查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
5011.64 |
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5013.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
且排除風險調降的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
5013.64 |
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5017.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
供以現行的以風險程度動態調整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
5017.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
5021.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
查驗措施之管理原則有所差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
5021.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
5023.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
因損盛的評估 |
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5024.64 |
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第二 |
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5024.64 |
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5027.64 |
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現行法規以有邊境查驗 |
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5027.64 |
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5029.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
查驗律調整的機制 |
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5029.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
5031.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
我們依據《十三法》33條 |
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5033.64 |
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第三項授權 |
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5033.64 |
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5038.64 |
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就明定了食品及相關產品輸入查驗辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
5038.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
5043.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
依舊輸入食品之查驗方式及相關事項定有規範 |
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5043.64 |
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5047.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].text |
消除並導入了邊境預測智能的系統 |
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5047.64 |
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5049.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
即時會運算風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
5049.64 |
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5051.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
進行風險的預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
5051.64 |
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5053.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
針對不合格產品 |
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5053.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
5056.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].text |
即會依風險調升查驗率 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
5056.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
5061.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
以具備對風險變化調整查驗強度的彈性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
5061.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
5062.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
第三 |
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5062.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
5065.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
經營改造食品原料以有較嚴格的源頭管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
5066.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
5069.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
令口娘主管機關的權責及查驗量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
5069.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
5072.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
現行的基因改造食品原料 |
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5072.91 |
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5075.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
需於輸入前完成查驗登記 |
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5075.91 |
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5078.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
輸入時亦逐案書面審查 |
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5078.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
5081.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
其管理依照一般食品嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
5082.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
5086.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
至於經農業部指定至大宗農產品 |
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5086.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
5090.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
涉及與農業主管機關權責的分工 |
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5090.56 |
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5093.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
相關指定範圍仍需要進一步釐清 |
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5093.56 |
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5096.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
除外一線有的查驗資料 |
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5096.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
5099.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
大宗農產品是不合格率低 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
5099.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
5102.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
倘一律要求逐批或逐傳查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
5102.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
5107.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
可能排擠其他高風險產品的查驗量能及資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
5107.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
5110.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
反不利整體風險管理的效能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
5111.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].end |
5117.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
第四 我們建議維持現行風險分級及動態調整查驗率之機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
5117.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
5122.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
我們現行法規已具備風險預警及查驗率調整之管理機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
5122.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
5126.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
它有特定風險升高之產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
5126.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
5129.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
或有強化管理之必要 |
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5129.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
5133.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
可以依現行法規及風險評估結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
5133.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
5135.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
適時提高查驗強度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
5135.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
5139.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
原提案所定一律逐批或逐傳查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
5139.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
5142.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
並排除風險調降機制的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
5142.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
5149.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
上有國際規範全職分工及行政資源配置等面向的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
5149.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
5152.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
我們建議是否能夠維持現行的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
5152.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
5155.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
另外有針對如先一羅委員提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
5155.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
5158.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
針對長期流入原住民地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
5158.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
5162.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
偏遠地區消費市場之低價食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
5162.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
5165.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
中央主管即將因提高抽驗比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
5165.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
5167.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
並加強特定風險差的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
5167.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
5171.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
我們也特別提到剛才的邊境輸入的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
5171.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
5173.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
已經有風險的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
5173.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
5178.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
另外特別提到所謂的低價的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
5178.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
5180.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
所謂低價不必然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
5180.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
5183.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
我們就代表整個食品安全風險較高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
5183.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
5187.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
且食品流向原住民地區或偏遠地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
5187.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
5191.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
亦非判定食品本身風險程度的直接指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
5191.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
5193.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
中上我們是不是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
5193.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
5196.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
還是以食品安全風險為基礎的查驗的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
5196.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
5200.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
若有原住民地區或偏遠地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
5200.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
5202.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
食品安全保障的特殊需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
5202.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
5207.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
亦可透過我們強化我們的地方地區市場的監測 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
5207.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
5211.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
流通的抽驗及違規產品的追蹤等措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
5211.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
5215.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
以更有效能夠保障我們當地的消費者的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
5215.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
5216.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
5217.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
5221.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
MING PAO CANADA .COM |
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| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
5220.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
5220.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
5223.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
那議員委員以後我們再請金歐委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
5223.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
5225.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
議員委員先請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
5224.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
5227.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
好關於這個第30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
5227.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
5230.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
這個查驗的部分其實是蠻重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
5230.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
5235.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
因為我們現在真的蠻多都是輸入型的商品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
5235.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
5240.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
這個特別是最近有關於這個馬鈴薯這個問題 |
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5240.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
5243.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
我想引發非常多國人的焦慮 |
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5243.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
5247.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
因為馬鈴薯他的進口馬鈴薯他的那個運用範圍很廣 |
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5247.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
5250.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
薯條大家也很愛吃 |
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5250.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
5253.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
但是最近發生的這個馬鈴薯事件 |
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5253.28 |
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5255.28 |
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就是說被查獲 |
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5257.28 |
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他其實是未發芽 |
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5257.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
5260.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
但是他已經超標了 |
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5260.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
5263.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
那這樣的情況就是大家問衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
5263.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
5268.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
衛福部來說我們不需要提高那個整體抽驗的頻率 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
5268.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
5271.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
我覺得食品安全的風險管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
5271.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
5274.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
應該是就是見尾之助 |
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5274.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
5276.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
在從一個微小的地方一個個案 |
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5276.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
5278.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
你就應該要那個敏感度 |
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5278.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
5282.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
就是要去提高你整體的這個預判 |
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5282.28 |
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5284.28 |
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就像之前我們在看蘇丹紅事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
5284.28 |
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5286.28 |
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那時候我在委員會也說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
5286.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
5289.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
你已經有一期兩期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
5289.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
5292.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
你應該就要全面性的很擴大性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
5292.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
5295.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
去提高你的那個抽驗的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
5295.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
5296.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
5296.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
5299.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
在這次的馬鈴薯事件當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
5299.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
5301.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
我看到衛福部其實對外的反應是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
5301.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
5304.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
沒有必要提高抽驗比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
5304.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
5307.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
但是你必須從單一的事件已經看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
5307.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
5309.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
為什麼他還沒有發芽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
5309.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
5312.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
那他的龍蝴蜢就已經超標了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
5312.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
5314.81 |
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這個其實就是一個很大的警訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
5314.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
5316.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
那怎麼你們就會認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
5316.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
5318.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
完全不需要去調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
5318.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
5321.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
所以我們現在如果沒有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
5321.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
5324.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
一個更明確的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
5324.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
5326.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
或者是規範的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
5326.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
5328.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
那這個行政部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
5328.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
5330.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
有時候你會來自不同的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
5330.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
5332.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
你可能是來自經濟部的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
5332.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
5334.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
可能來自台美談判的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
5334.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
5336.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
或者這個國家就是美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
5336.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
5339.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
我們可能就會比較更審慎不敢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
5340.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
5343.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
那之前蘇丹紅其實很快就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
5343.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
5345.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
我們不應該因他是不同的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
5345.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
5346.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
而有任何的差別 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
5346.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
5348.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
我們的實案標準只有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
5348.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
5350.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
就是我們要確保國人健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
5350.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
5352.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
所以不要因為其他的政治 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
5352.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
5354.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
因素其他國家這個龐大的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
5354.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
5356.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
而去退縮了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
5356.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
5358.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
或是改變我們的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
5358.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
5360.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
那所以今天討論到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
5360.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
5361.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
我覺得是蠻關鍵的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
5361.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
5362.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
那待會如果有時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
5362.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
5364.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
我覺得是不是請衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
5364.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
5366.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
來跟大家解釋一下為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
5366.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
5368.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
這個最近這個馬鈴薯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
5369.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
5371.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
就是從單一事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
5371.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
5373.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
這個華遠食品這個已經發現有這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
5373.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
5375.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
還未發芽然後就已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
5375.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
5376.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
融潰檢超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
5376.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
5378.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
你們還說其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
5378.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
5379.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
其他家的就不管嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
5379.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
5381.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
其他就不需要提高查驗標準嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
5381.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
5383.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
這樣的一個標準不一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
5383.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
5386.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
我想這個是國人最擔心的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
5386.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
5388.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
所以今天因為討論到30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
5388.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
5389.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
我覺得這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
5389.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
5391.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
也應該要給外界一個合理的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
5391.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
5393.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
5393.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
5394.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
5394.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
5397.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
30條現在人民很關心的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
5397.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
5399.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
類似上次那樣子的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
5399.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
5401.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
大家會希望知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
5401.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
5402.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
你唸到的可能沒有發芽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
5402.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
5405.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
但是龍虧檢已經超標這些馬鈴薯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
5405.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
5407.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
他是不是還有供應其他的供應商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
5407.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
5409.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
還是只有單一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
5409.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
5412.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
那一家廠商的洋芋片 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
5412.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
5414.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
或是大家會想看到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
5414.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
5417.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
你已經發現他超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
5417.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
5420.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
可是為什麼後續我們沒有再 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
5420.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
5422.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
增加他的查驗的批次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
5422.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
5424.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
或者是頻率等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
5424.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
5426.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
這個是跟人民的直覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
5426.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
5428.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
就是很違背的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
5428.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
5431.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
但是這邊還是要稍微肯定一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
5431.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
5433.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
食藥署有加入很多委員的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
5433.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
5435.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
有一段有寫到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
5435.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
5439.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
中央主管機關應該依照來源國產品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
5439.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
5442.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
國際預警還有供應鏈的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
5442.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
5445.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
調整查驗頻率跟措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
5445.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
5447.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
這一點是予以肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
5447.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
5449.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
不過呢國眾兩黨的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
5449.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
5451.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
還有很多委員說的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
5451.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
5455.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
希望任由危害安全衛生之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
5455.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
5457.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
其輸入量和供應範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
5457.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
5459.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
達中央主管機關公告的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
5459.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
5461.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
要逐批查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
5461.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
5464.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
那這個標準我們也授權給您來訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
5464.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
5466.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
相信你也可以訂出一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
5466.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
5468.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
人民可以接受的合理的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
5468.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
5471.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
像上次這個油的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
5471.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
5473.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
其實就非常非常大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
5473.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
5476.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
那之前其實行政院長他在質詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
5476.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
5478.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
也有說出足科馬鈴薯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
5478.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
5481.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
他認為都可以查驗的這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
5481.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
5483.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
所以大家當然是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
5483.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
5486.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
你的條文就是你對國外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
5486.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
5489.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
所收進來的標準一下子差這麼多的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
5489.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
5493.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
那當然是要增加查驗的頻率 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
5493.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
5494.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
讓大家安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
5494.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
5498.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
那另外一個就是我比較在意的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
5498.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
5500.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
第三十項魔法第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
5500.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
5502.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
查驗績效優良的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
5502.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
5505.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
中央主管機關的採取優惠之措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
5505.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
5509.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
查驗績效優良的業者中央的這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
5509.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
5511.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
大家會覺得如果有安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
5513.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
5517.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
衛生之魚消失前是不適用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
5517.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
5521.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
不適用的也就是像上次這個油品的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
5521.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
5524.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
有一家他就一直沒有去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
5524.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
5526.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
是因為他過去的績效優良 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
5526.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
5528.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
但我們不能因為他過去的績效優良 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
5528.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
5530.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
但發生了大規模的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
5530.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
5532.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
安全衛生疑慮已經消失了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
5532.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
5536.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
我們就不能再適用這個第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
5536.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
5538.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
所以我認為魔法也應該清楚的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
5538.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
5540.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
到底什麼樣的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
5540.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].end |
5542.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].text |
不可以適用第二項的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
5542.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].end |
5545.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
以上兩點是我相信這邊很多委員比較重視的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].start |
5545.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
5546.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].start |
5547.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
5548.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
5548.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
5551.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
我想大家也都很擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
5551.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
5554.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
有科學證據的你要去預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
5554.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
5557.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
如果實際證據還不到那麼完整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
5557.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
5559.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
當然我們要去預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
5559.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
5563.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
所以預警跟預防都是在食品安全裡面非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
5563.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
5565.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
我們要去掌握的一些需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
5565.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
5567.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
那針對兩位委員的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
5567.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
5570.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
是不是也請維吾這邊來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].start |
5570.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
5572.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].text |
好謝謝委員的剛才的提問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].start |
5572.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
5576.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
首先針對我們進口馬林署 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
5576.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
5579.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
我們近年來整個查驗情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
5579.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
5581.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
也讓國人能夠安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
5581.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
5586.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
所以我們在114年查驗的報驗有769批 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
5586.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
5590.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
那查驗的31批其實查驗的都是合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
5590.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
5594.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
那115年有463批的報驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
5594.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
5597.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
我們19批的查驗只有一批的不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
5597.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
5599.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
那針對這樣子的不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
5599.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
5601.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
我們統計起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
5601.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
5604.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
那對於整個查驗的標準的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
5604.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
5607.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
我們其實一直強調標準從來沒有改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
5607.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
5610.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
那衛福部負責食品衛生安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
5610.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
5612.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
對於輸入馬林署的食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
5612.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
5614.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
衛生規範的做法沒有放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
5615.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
5616.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
那維持不變 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
5616.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
5618.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
包含我們衛生標準輸入的查驗程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].start |
5618.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].end |
5621.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].text |
以及對於違規的產品的處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].start |
5621.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].end |
5624.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].text |
對於其中特別是有關輪回減的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].start |
5624.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].end |
5629.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].text |
是包含在食品中污染物質及毒素的衛生標準中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].start |
5629.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].end |
5632.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].text |
那馬林署的快精之輪回減 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].start |
5632.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].end |
5638.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].text |
是達對於總配糖生物減的限量是200毫克每公斤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].start |
5638.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].end |
5641.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].text |
那這個規定也是108年1月1日起 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].start |
5641.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].end |
5644.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].text |
所以我們過去的查驗裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].start |
5644.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].end |
5648.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].text |
查驗出來在2014到2015年的期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].start |
5648.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].end |
5651.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].text |
查驗50批裡面我們有一批的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].start |
5651.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].end |
5653.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].text |
針對這部分我們風險管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].start |
5653.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].end |
5656.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].text |
其實我們也進行了風險管控的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].start |
5656.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].end |
5660.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].text |
那我們是按照風險管理及科學依據來辦理查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].start |
5660.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].end |
5663.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].text |
那抽驗的樣本部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].start |
5663.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].end |
5671.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].text |
我們進口馬林署從115年4月26日起到115年12月31日 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].start |
5671.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].end |
5674.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].text |
我們原先採取的一般抽批2到10% |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].start |
5674.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].end |
5677.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].text |
那抽驗最高的10% |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].start |
5677.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].end |
5681.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].text |
那我們115年今年的10月8日起 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].start |
5681.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].end |
5684.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].text |
我們其實再次的調高整個抽驗的批次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
5684.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].end |
5687.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].text |
從頭到腳加強抽批從20到50%的抽批 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].start |
5687.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].end |
5692.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].text |
所以我們就是有馬上就會進行整個風險的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].start |
5692.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].end |
5695.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].text |
那我們經查驗檢驗不符合規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].start |
5695.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].end |
5697.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].text |
不管剛剛是輪回減的不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].start |
5697.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
5699.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].text |
或者是農藥的不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].start |
5699.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].end |
5702.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].text |
那我們整批都判定不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].start |
5702.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].end |
5705.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].text |
那並會依照規定辦理退運或是銷毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
5705.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
5707.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].text |
不得進入國內的市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].start |
5707.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
5709.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].text |
並得公布我們相關資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].start |
5709.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
5711.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].text |
同時提高整個抽驗的頻率 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].start |
5711.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].end |
5716.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].text |
那我們隨時會再針對這個抽驗的比例調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].start |
5716.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
5719.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].text |
如果還有任何的抽驗的異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].start |
5719.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].end |
5722.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].text |
我們最高會達到出批的抽驗的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].start |
5722.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
5724.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
所以我們對於馬林署的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
5724.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
5727.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
在於我們雙重的把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].start |
5727.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
5730.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
農業部跟衛福部這邊我們相互通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
5730.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].end |
5731.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].text |
如果有任何有發芽的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
5731.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].end |
5734.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].text |
其實我們就會通報我們這邊進一步的抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].start |
5734.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].end |
5736.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].text |
這邊也跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].start |
5736.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].end |
5738.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].text |
我們最近也有看到發芽的有4批在我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].start |
5738.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].end |
5739.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].text |
我們也是抽驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].start |
5739.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
5741.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
抽驗的結果也都是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].start |
5741.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].end |
5743.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].text |
那進一步的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].start |
5743.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].end |
5746.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].text |
那對剛才提到發驗我們的加驗之後的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].start |
5746.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].end |
5748.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].text |
那我們就違規的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].start |
5748.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].end |
5751.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].text |
對於農業部這邊進一步的違規的剔除 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].start |
5751.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].end |
5756.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].text |
因此加工的馬林署在進口到台灣之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].start |
5756.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].end |
5758.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].text |
在出口的時候就會符合農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].start |
5758.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].end |
5762.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].text |
在國外的部分就符合農業部的檢疫的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].start |
5762.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].end |
5763.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].text |
抵達台灣之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].start |
5763.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
5767.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].text |
在邊境上需要通過檢疫在農業部負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].start |
5767.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
5769.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].text |
以及食品衛生安全的查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].start |
5769.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].end |
5773.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].text |
在衛福部負責兩部會發現發芽時的互相通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].start |
5773.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
5777.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
經食藥署檢驗所謂總配糖生物檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].start |
5777.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
5779.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].text |
且檢包含龍葵檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].start |
5779.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
5781.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].text |
合格後才由農業部執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].start |
5781.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].end |
5787.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].text |
監督業者進行足跪足科的選別作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].start |
5787.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
5789.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].text |
那我們成功檢驗不合格者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].start |
5789.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].end |
5791.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].text |
就會整批的退營跟銷毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].start |
5791.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].end |
5792.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].text |
所以目前整體的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].start |
5792.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].end |
5795.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].text |
我們是完全是依照我們的邊境查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].start |
5795.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].end |
5796.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].text |
以及風險為基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].start |
5796.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].end |
5799.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].text |
我們看到的狀況是怎麼樣而做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].start |
5799.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
5801.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].text |
隨時的一些進一步的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].start |
5801.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].end |
5803.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
那對於基屋廠商的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].start |
5803.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
5804.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].text |
也進一步做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].start |
5804.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
5808.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].text |
如果一年內檢驗大概十批以上都是符合的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
5808.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
5811.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].text |
表示這是過去的進口來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].start |
5811.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
5812.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].text |
其實當然有一定的穩定性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
5812.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].end |
5814.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].text |
就如同剛剛委員提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
5814.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
5816.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
除了這一家以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
5816.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
5817.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].text |
它是不是有到其他家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].start |
5817.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].end |
5821.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].text |
其實我們在檢驗的後端的邊境的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
5821.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
5823.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].text |
就會identify某一個廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
5823.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
5826.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].text |
他的不同的台灣廠商進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
5826.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
5829.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].text |
但是源頭的是共同廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
5829.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
5831.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].text |
我們會成為我們在抽驗的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
5831.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
5833.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].text |
進入我們的所謂的抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
5833.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
5836.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
邊境border protect intelligence |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
5836.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
5839.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
的增加抽驗比例的一個變相 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
5839.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
5841.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
那對於一年內檢驗的批數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
5841.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
5843.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
二十批以上是符合的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
5843.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
5845.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
我們也會有所謂優良的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
5845.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
5849.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
兩年內符合三十批以上的使得申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
5849.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
5851.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
那我們對於我們逐批查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
5851.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
5854.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
查看查驗者就會不適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
5854.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
5857.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
因為他就是過去沒有這樣子的績效 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
5857.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].end |
5862.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].text |
所以目前我們邊境對我們人員上面的配置 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
5862.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
5864.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
我們希望能夠更精準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
5864.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
5866.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
對於高風險進行查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
5866.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
5868.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
那也能夠對國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
5868.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
5871.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
我們面對我們風險上面的對國人食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
5871.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
5874.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
確確實實會有風險的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
5874.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
5876.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
能夠作為加強高風險的抽屁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
5876.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
5878.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
如果我們現在剛才提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
5878.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
5881.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
對於特定的大宗農產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
5881.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
5884.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
或者是精英改造食品等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
5884.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
5886.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
其實過去我們的查驗的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
5886.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
5888.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
都看得到他的查驗事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
5888.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
5890.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
是在加強的查驗的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
5890.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
5892.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
那如果他是常態上是符合標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
5892.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
5893.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
比例是高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
5893.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
5898.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
那國人的安全我們也是持續會作為最高的關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
5898.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
5899.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
5900.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
5902.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
那個不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
5902.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
5903.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
我直接問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
5903.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
5905.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
因為剛剛署長你還是沒有直接回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
5905.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
5907.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
我剛剛的問題是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
5907.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
5910.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
這個馬鈴薯最近這一批才被查出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].start |
5910.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
5911.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
他沒有發芽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
5911.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
5913.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
但是龍蝰蟹已經超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
5913.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].end |
5915.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
這個是特廠商進口對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
5915.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
5918.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
那你們為什麼只提高這個廠商的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
5918.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
5922.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
就是說這會不會是一個普遍的現象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
5922.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
5925.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
就是說這一種尚未發芽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].start |
5925.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
5927.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
但是他其實已經超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
5927.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
5929.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
針對這樣的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
5929.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
5933.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
你為什麼沒有立刻提高整個的抽驗標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].start |
5933.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].end |
5935.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].text |
而是只著重在這一家廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].start |
5935.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].end |
5937.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].text |
你就是你怎麼樣去確保 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].start |
5937.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].end |
5939.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].text |
就是別家廠商進的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
5939.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
5942.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
目前台灣只有這一家廠商在進口馬鈴薯嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].start |
5942.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
5943.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
應該不是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].start |
5943.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
5944.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
5944.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
5945.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].text |
那我的意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
5945.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
5947.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
為什麼你只提高這一家的抽驗標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].start |
5947.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
5949.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].text |
而不是在這一段期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
5949.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
5951.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].text |
你維持一段時間的專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].start |
5951.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
5953.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].text |
就是說同時期進口的這些馬鈴薯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
5953.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].end |
5955.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].text |
你也提高他的抽驗比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
5955.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
5957.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].text |
你剛剛講的那個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
5957.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
5959.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].text |
其實只要發現一個你會從20到50% |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
5959.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
5961.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].text |
但是我們這次看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
5961.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
5964.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
是你只局限在這一家廠商本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
5965.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
5967.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].text |
但是我擔心的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
5967.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
5970.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
今天馬鈴薯是大宗進口的物品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
5970.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
5973.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].text |
如果同時還有其他的進口管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
5973.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].end |
5975.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].text |
也同時進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
5975.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
5977.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
你今天只提高升高這一家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
5977.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
5980.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
你沒有同步全部提高抽驗比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
5980.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
5983.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].text |
你怎麼知道那個漏網之魚在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
5984.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
5986.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].text |
各位報告委員這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
5986.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
5989.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].text |
其實我們是全面提升為20到50%的加強抽批 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
5989.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
5990.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
5990.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
5991.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].start |
5991.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
5993.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].text |
那你們對外新聞稿怎麼說只針對華遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
5993.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
5995.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
我們對於我們常態是這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
5995.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
5997.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
可是因為大家特別的關注的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
5997.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
5999.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
我們針對馬鈴薯的部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
5999.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
6002.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
直接提升到全面20到50%的加強抽批 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
6002.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
6004.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
在第一部分跟委員做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
6004.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
6006.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
第二部分跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
6006.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
6008.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
等一下要確定喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
6008.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
6010.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
我們在10月8號的時候開始就進行了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
6010.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
6012.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
你們現在已經提高了是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
6012.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
6014.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
當下你們第一時間沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
6014.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
6016.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
我看到的訊息是你們只針對華遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
6016.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
6017.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
並沒有全面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
6017.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
6019.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
第一個時間是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
6019.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
6021.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
那我們對於整體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].start |
6021.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].end |
6023.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].text |
我們對於國人特別關注的這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
6023.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].end |
6025.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].text |
你現在已經有提高到20到50%了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].start |
6025.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
6026.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
10月8號的時候也回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
6026.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
6028.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].text |
10月8號才做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].start |
6028.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
6030.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].text |
那為什麼有那個時間差 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].start |
6030.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].end |
6031.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].text |
不是第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].start |
6031.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
6033.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
這不是你們的SOP嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
6033.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
6034.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
我的意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
6034.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
6037.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
你應該要有一個很標準化的SOP |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
6037.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
6039.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
你應該當下就立刻提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
6039.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
6040.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].text |
是什麼因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].start |
6041.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
6042.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
導致這個時間差 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
6045.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
6047.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].text |
就是針對這一家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].start |
6048.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
6050.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].text |
一般的其他抽檢維持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
6050.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
6054.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
這是過去所有的邊境查驗的基準是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
6054.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
6056.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
可是因為國人特別特別在意 |
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現在馬來西亞署相關議題 |
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因此我們回應這部分 |
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因為很多的管理是回應我們民眾的關心 |
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以及擔心的部分 |
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所以我們才會直接再做加強抽批 |
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在10月8號來進行 |
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這跟委員說說明 |
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另外針對剛才講的輪迴檢的 |
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為什麼是沒有有驗到 |
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我們整個評估起來沒有做檢討 |
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它常常是是例外不是常態 |
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我們看起來是例外不是常態 |
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那很多原因會造成 |
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譬如說船艙裡面溫度等等的影響 |
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6090.81 |
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一般來講是發芽變綠的過程中 |
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葉綠樹出來 |
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輪迴檢開始出來 |
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這樣子的是比較常態的情形 |
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所以因此這種例外的狀況之下 |
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我們也就在這種情形 |
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6104.81 |
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針對某些特定的確是品種區域來的 |
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所以為什麼會是回到這一個產品 |
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這個來源地的 |
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是因為它跟品種溫度區域栽培的條件 |
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跟運送的條件 |
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會是比較是讓它在沒有發芽 |
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這種特殊的狀況下竟然高起來的 |
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那我們過去從來沒有抽驗 |
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沒有發芽的狀況下驗出來 |
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就是超標的狀況 |
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好 我很快回應兩點 |
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第一個就是我覺得還沒有發芽 |
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就驗出輪迴檢 |
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我希望你們有一個專案去理解清楚 |
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會不會是 |
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就是來源國的國家他們意志發芽劑的用藥 |
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其實已經改變 |
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就是說為了避免它發芽 |
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用藥量高 |
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但是這是我自己的假設 |
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用藥量高 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
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所以導致它其實沒冒芽 |
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但是其實輪迴檢 |
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它其實整個發酵之後 |
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還是已經變成是這樣子了 |
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所以我覺得一個個案你們應該要深入探究 |
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真正的原因是什麼 |
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有沒有來自用藥的改變 |
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除了那些你剛剛講環境因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
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如果有用藥的改變 |
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那你們要很敏感 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
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那就不會是單一個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
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6173.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
第二個就是我希望你們建立一個是完整SOP |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
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6174.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
你剛剛提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
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像馬英俗這種大宗物資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
你不可能是局限在單一廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
像是你比較改進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
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6180.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
我之前已經講過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
6183.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
大宗物資源頭的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
6185.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
它是大量會廣布出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
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6186.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
而且使用量比較高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
6189.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
你不可能再是像你以前那種管制標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
6191.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
我只針對單一廠商去提高它的抽驗標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
6191.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
6194.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
不行你之前說單一廠商已經得到教訓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
6196.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
你就針對單一廠商是遏止不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
因為它整個的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
它整個的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
6200.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
它其實就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
6202.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
你應該是全面性的提高才對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
6204.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
所以你們的SOP |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
6205.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
因為剛好講到30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
6207.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
我覺得你們應該全面檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
6210.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
大宗物資不可能是針對單一廠商去提高抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
6211.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
6212.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
6215.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
對不起我先稍微暫停一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
6217.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
就是大家剛剛討論的很熱烈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
6219.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
如果我們去看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
6223.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
要相對的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
6227.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
有看到增加第四項的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
6227.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
6229.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
事實上就是會把產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
6230.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
6234.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
來源國還有業者都會是我們將來要處理的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
6234.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
6237.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
所以這部分我們等一下還可以再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
6237.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
6240.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
我們先請邱惠如委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
6240.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
6242.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
然後再來是盧仙逸委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
6244.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
6246.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
關於這個30條第四項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
6246.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
6249.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
我想是一個邊境管制的相關的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
6249.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
6251.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
那我們對於邊境管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
6251.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
6253.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
我們有一定的堅持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
6253.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
6255.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
因為如果沒有做好邊境管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
6255.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
6256.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
有一律的產品進來台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
6256.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
6258.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
然後擴散出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
6258.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
6261.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
其實會造成食安一個很大的疑慮跟隱憂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
6261.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
6263.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
那當然我們加強邊境管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
6263.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
6265.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
不是那個無限上綱 |
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6265.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
6267.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
在這邊就是限縮三種食物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
6267.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
6269.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
第一個就是基改食物 |
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6269.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
6272.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
第二個就是農業部指定的大宗農產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
6272.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
6274.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
第三個就是關鍵的原物料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
6274.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
6276.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
那這些這三個食物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
6276.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
6279.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
它有一個特色就是高風險性 |
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6279.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
6281.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
然後再來就是這個大量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
6281.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
6285.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
然後再來就是有高度的這個加工使用率 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
6287.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
那所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
6287.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
6290.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
人民在接觸這些食物的機率是非常高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
6290.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
6293.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
那如何加強這些食物的控管 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
6293.4 |
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6295.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
那當然就是除了源頭管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
6295.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
6297.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
那當然就是邊境的管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
6297.4 |
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6298.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
所以邊境的管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
6298.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
6300.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
當然我們這邊就是加強到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
6300.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
6303.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
足劈跟足船 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
6303.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
6309.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
那排除這個調降這個檢驗頻率的一個相關規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
6309.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
6311.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
那當然我們知道這個食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
6311.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
6313.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
在做這個邊境管制的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
6313.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
6315.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
其實是採三接嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
6315.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
6316.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
首先原本是一般 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
6316.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
6319.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
那如果真的有發生有疑慮的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
6319.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
6321.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
那當然就會加強檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
6321.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
6323.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
那最後如果問題沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
6323.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
6325.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
就是狀況再更嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
6325.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
6327.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
有可能就是來到一個足劈或足船的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
6327.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
6329.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
這些我們都了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
6329.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
6332.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
但是其實如果是用一般的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
6332.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
6333.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
也許就會有落網之魚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
6333.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
6334.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
就像玉敏剛說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
6334.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
6336.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
就是會有一些馬鈴薯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
6336.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
6339.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
你可能只針對某一個特定廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
6339.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
6342.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
但是它的來源有可能是相同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
6342.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
6344.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
那如果你只針對一個廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
6344.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
6346.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
你沒有針對其他的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
6346.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
6348.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
你沒有做足劈跟足船 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].start |
6348.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
6349.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
你怎麼知道其他的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
6349.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
6351.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
同時存在這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
6351.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
6356.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
所以我們覺得這個加強抽驗的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
6356.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
6357.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
是有其必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
6357.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
6360.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
那更何況我記得行政院長是不是有說過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
6360.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
6362.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
對於馬鈴薯要採足科 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
6362.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
6365.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
那我們這裡已經沒有要求足科足向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].start |
6365.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
6367.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
我們只要求足劈跟足船 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
6367.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
6369.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
所以這個以這個標準來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
6369.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
6370.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
相較於行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
6370.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
6372.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
應該是也沒那麼嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
6372.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].end |
6374.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
也沒那麼嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
6374.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
6376.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
所以請食安署這邊來予以考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
6376.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
6378.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
那最後我想問一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].start |
6378.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
6380.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
因為剛剛玉敏跟金慧這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
6380.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].end |
6382.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
都有提到那個馬鈴薯的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
6382.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
6384.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
食藥署署長這邊也提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
6384.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
6386.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
就是以這個單一事件來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
6386.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
6390.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
這個抽驗比率有提升到20%到50% |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
6390.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
6392.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
那請問一下這個20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
6392.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
6393.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
你們調升了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
6393.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
6396.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
那這個調升的持續長度會持續到多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
6397.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
6398.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
可以請教一下嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
6398.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
6401.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
那什麼時候又會再回歸原狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
6401.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
6402.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
6403.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
6405.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
先請盧縣議員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
6433.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
6439.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
6440.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
6443.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
那麼這邊來做回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
6447.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
6449.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
好我現在先回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
6449.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
6451.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
邱委員這邊的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
6451.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
6453.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
那剛才在邱委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
6453.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
6456.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
特別提到說針對輸入的精英改造食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
6456.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
6458.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
農產品及農業部指定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
6458.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
6461.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
這是大宗產品關鍵食品原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
6461.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
6463.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
應於邊境足劈足船查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
6463.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
6465.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
那我們這邊其實做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
6465.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
6467.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
先前的說明也特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
6467.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
6470.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
那我們也因風險為基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
6470.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
6472.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
所以因此在第四項裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
6472.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
6474.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
特別增加了中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
6474.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
6480.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
第一來源國產品業者國際預警及供應鏈風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
6480.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
6482.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
調整查驗頻率及措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
6482.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
6485.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
這邊其實是整體國人的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
6485.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
6489.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
我們一樣的用最高的原則來把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
6489.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
6492.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].text |
那一定是以食安的風險為基礎的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
6492.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
6494.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
來做進一步的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
6494.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
6497.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
這邊跟委員做進一步的提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
6497.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
6500.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
那至於剛才特別提到的藝芽季的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
6500.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
6501.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
我們對藝芽季的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
6501.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
6504.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].text |
其實這個科普分的在農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
6504.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
6507.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].text |
食物中農藥檢驗方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
6507.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
6509.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].text |
多重殘留分析方法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
6509.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
6510.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
其實我們有訂定代謝物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
6510.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
6512.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
它的代謝物三氯本胺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
6512.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
6514.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
去殘留的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
6514.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
6517.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
我們本署目前上面有特別公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
6517.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
6519.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
那對於農藥殘留的容許標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
6519.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
6521.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].text |
馬鈴薯的部分我們是訂在30ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
6521.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
6523.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
所以我們歷年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
6523.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
6527.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
從1113年1月1日到115年8月31日 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
6527.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
6531.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
我們對於抱怨之後查核的批數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
6531.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
6533.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
有達到有64p |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
6533.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].end |
6535.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
都是在合格的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
6535.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
6537.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
以上做進一步的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
6537.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
6540.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
那對於剛才提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
6540.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
6542.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].text |
我們現在是加強的抽p |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
6542.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
6546.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
加強抽p其實我們對於持續現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
6546.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
6550.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
邊界我們抽驗的標準是不變 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
6550.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
6551.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
那抽驗的批數增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
6551.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
6554.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].text |
按照抽驗批數的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
6554.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
6555.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
我們會呈現出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
6555.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
6557.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
讓國中能夠了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
6557.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
6560.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
作為我們後續去增加跟減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
6560.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
6562.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
我們需要抽p的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
6562.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
6564.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
這點也說進一步說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
6564.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
6566.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
就是完全是按照我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
6566.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
6568.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
所謂的邊境查驗的辦法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
6568.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
6570.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
對抽驗的頻率以風險為基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
6570.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
6572.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
以及抽驗出來的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
6572.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
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作為進一步調整的方式 |
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6575.1 |
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以上說明 |
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那過去多久 |
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我們現在就是持續按照我們現在 |
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我們抽p出來的結果 |
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作為後續的調整的基礎 |
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這部分其實是 |
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如果在周邊有抽p20到50% |
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還是有抽到 |
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那就會再往上提 |
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甚至調到主p去查驗 |
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如果持續查驗是都沒有 |
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那它就會降回到一般抽p |
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那這邊也是在我們剛才提到的 |
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以一致的標準 |
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對於以風險為基礎的來做說明 |
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6607.69 |
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那5p3倍樣的一個概念 |
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也會是我們導入 |
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我們一直以來做執行的方式 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
6611.69 |
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6613.69 |
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所以聽起來是有一定的方法學 |
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6615.69 |
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可以讓民眾安心 |
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不管前面是有什麼樣的異常 |
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可是經過好的方法處理以後 |
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民眾知道這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
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已經達到安全的標準 |
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可是剛剛 |
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盧委員的這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
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還沒有做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
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我先回覆一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
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剛剛玉明委員講到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
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就是為什麼他沒有發芽 |
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但是還有龍蝴蟹 |
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委員提到這題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
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我是不是之後我們請食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
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6640.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
跟農業部我們一起請專家開個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
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好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
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就我們請專家開個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
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6645.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
大家要關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
6647.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
所以說歐盟他們對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
6647.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
6649.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
這個消費者的ERG |
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| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
6651.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
對於這個消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
6654.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
那個暴露還有代謝物風險的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
6654.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
6655.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
他們2019年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
6658.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
他停止核准克普分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
6661.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
克普分是現在美國使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
歐盟停止 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
6665.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
他們馬鈴薯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
6668.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
暫定的殘留限量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
6669.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
6672.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
那個署長你知道他們是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
6676.86 |
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6678.86 |
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我們的是30ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
6679.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
6680.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
歐盟是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
6682.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
6683.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
沒有人知道吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
6688.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
這個部分我待會再跟您進一步確認一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
6688.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
6691.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
我這邊查到的資料是0.2ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
6693.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
所以歐盟的食品安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
6693.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
6694.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
坦白講真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
6694.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
6697.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
他們真的是指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
6701.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
他們就是都會高於這個國際食品法典 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
6701.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
6703.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
那所以我特別提醒就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
6703.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
6705.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
我們對於國人的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
6705.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
6707.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
我們也可以追求更好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
6710.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
所以有關剛剛謝謝署長的回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
6710.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
6711.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
ERG的這個使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
6714.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
我覺得真的也要去關注到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
6717.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
因為業者真的是會想盡辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
6720.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
為了不要發芽產生龍虧血 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
6720.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
6722.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
但是使用過多的ERG |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
6722.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
6723.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
那一樣對我們的人體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
6726.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
其實還是會有些傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
6726.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
6729.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
所以這一部分你們有一個更嚴謹的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
6729.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
6730.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
我覺得是好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
6730.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
6732.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
也有助於我們在食品的把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
6735.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
就是我們更知道怎麼拿捏群組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
6735.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
6737.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
謝謝委員這邊特別提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
6737.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
6740.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
我們農藥的殘留保在克普分的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
6740.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
6743.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
那因為國內的一些農產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
6745.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
都是仰賴是進口的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
6745.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
6748.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
跟整個歐盟在陸地上面的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
6748.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
6751.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
以及內部的生產的機制不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
6751.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
6753.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
所以對於我們的殘留標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
6753.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
6755.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
也是經過整個風險的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
6755.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
6757.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
我們事實上有仔細的算過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
6757.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
6758.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
它可能的風險的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
6758.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
6759.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
6761.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
6763.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
那依照是不是委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
6763.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
6764.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
我們就跟農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
6765.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
食藥署跟農業部 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
6767.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
我們會針對剛剛您提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
6770.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
就是馬林署相關的ERG的部分 |
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6770.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
6772.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
那我們請專家來做一個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
6772.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
6773.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
6773.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
6776.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
那再針對剛剛盧縣議員提到的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
6778.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
我補充資訊給盧委員就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
6780.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
當然我們也知道在原住民族地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
可能有一些消費習慣的不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
6786.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
或者是消費市場的一些狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
6789.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
那剛剛其實在署長這邊也在說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
在說立法相關法律說明的部分也提到 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
6794.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
我們在地方主管機關 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
其實它可以針對它的地區特性 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
6800.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
去進行相關的食品安全的檢查跟抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
6800.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
6803.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
那我們在食安基金這邊也都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
6803.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
6806.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
讓地方政府來跟我們申請專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
6806.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
6808.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
經費補助去進行一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
6808.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
6810.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
特定的食品安全計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
6810.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
6813.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
那舉例來說就有縣市會來針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
6813.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
6817.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
比方它的區域裡面的客家民族的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
6817.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
6820.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
它針對客家米食去做一些調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
6823.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
那這個部分食安基金只要食安基金的相關委員同意 |
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就可以做 |
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那所以像剛剛委員提到的 |
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第一個部分就是再跟委員補充就是說 |
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地方的這樣子的消費市場 |
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其實地方主管機關就有 |
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它本身就有權限可以去針對地方上 |
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尤其是原住民族地區 |
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消費市場的食品安全來做相關的查核 |
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第二個部分就是我們也歡迎地方政府 |
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可以來跟食安基金這邊 |
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來跟地方的需求來申請 |
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那只要我們食安基金委員同意的話 |
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我們大概都會把這樣的專案給地方做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
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好謝謝市長的補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
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我這邊有一個問題要請教一下 |
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因為如果依照黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
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很多黨團還有包括委員都很希望針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
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輸入基因改造或經農業部指定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
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大宗農產品能夠做逐批或者是 |
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逐船的查驗 |
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那如果依照這樣把它落入到母法的話 |
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那未來這個量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
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目前的人力在承擔上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
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需不需要再做哪一些的加強 |
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或者是處理上 |
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還有沒有什麼好的方式來因應 |
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如果真的是逐批或逐船的查驗之下 |
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所會面臨的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
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因為這會關係到我們這個 |
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登記的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
管控非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
可是執行上會碰到什麼樣的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
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這邊也要麻煩 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
這個食藥署或者是衛福部這邊來進一步說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
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這邊進一步的說明 |
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就是基因改造食品原料 |
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目前無法與邊境檢驗的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
跟要檢驗的時候可能需要的一些配套 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
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沒有辦法檢驗是因為整個代氏檢驗機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
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它要用一些檢驗的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
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叫Real-time PCR去測 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
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但本署公開檢驗方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
沒有辦法完整涵蓋所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
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基因改造的是品項 |
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而且每一個品項 |
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它基因改造位置是要特定的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
所謂的影子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
Primer去把它訂出來 |
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所以這個一訂下去 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
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時間成本是難以想像的 |
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所以我們目前食藥署 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
官網公開基因改造檢驗方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
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的時間就要花10到15天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
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並需要另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
高量的經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
另外對於目前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
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代氏檢驗機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
因為檢驗方法能力跟經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2050].text |
跟時程整個核判的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
6963.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
現階段未有委託代氏檢驗機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
與邊境基因改造的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
所以如果我們要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
做的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2055].text |
整個署內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
6973.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
食藥署內對於查驗登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
食藥時要請廠商就提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
相入基 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2059].text |
植物基因體積 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2060].text |
轉植DNA的相關資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2061].text |
因為每一次進來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
這批次是哪一個進來的都不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2063].text |
署內對基因改造實驗的檢驗方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
費用極高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
6991.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].text |
我們要輔導民間機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2066].end |
6993.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
能夠完成這項使命 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
6995.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].text |
我們整個評估起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
6995.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
6997.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].text |
我們對於他的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
6999.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
部分是屬於他進來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
對特定他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
改造的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
有書面上面提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
7007.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
讓我們確認我們會抽菸的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
7009.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
而不是說我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
7011.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
逐批的部分再去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
7013.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
在邊境做這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
7014.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
7016.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].text |
再跟委員補充就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
7018.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
基因食品應我們的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
所以他在邊境就要有相關 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2080].text |
報關上面的這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
號列是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
所以在這邊他在邊境上面 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
在報關上面有這樣子的一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
處理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
7032.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
當然我們主要也在食藥署這邊是去確認他的相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
7034.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
報關的文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
7035.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
7037.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
另外一個部分也是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
7039.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
剛剛其實委員提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
7041.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
就是說對於委員有關切 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
7043.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
不同的食品或不同的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
7045.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
他在邊境的檢查 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
所以這也是為什麼我們 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2093].text |
參考委員這邊希望 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2094].end |
7051.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].text |
能夠修正的一些條文之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].start |
7051.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].end |
7053.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
我們在第四項這邊以 |
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7053.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].end |
7055.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
中央主管機關因 |
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7055.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
7057.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
來源國產品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
7057.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
7059.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
國際預警及供應力風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
7059.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
7061.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
就是這幾個條文這幾個項目的 |
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這個評估 |
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調整查驗的頻率跟措施 |
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那因為每個委員關注 |
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或者是特定某些因為季節 |
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或者是因為某些 |
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這個食品風險等等他都會有 |
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他都會有變動所以 |
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也擔心就是說如果我們 |
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在模法裡面寫定了針對 |
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哪些他 |
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就是說我們他某一些 |
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在模法裡面寫定 |
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足批或足傳而且不能 |
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調降或者是調動的話 |
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擔心就是說這樣的量能到時候會變成 |
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影響到這個 |
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特殊事件或突發事件的時候 |
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這樣子的一個評次的量能 |
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所以是不是讓我們有個空間 |
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那我們也了解委員這邊的要求 |
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7103.7 |
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所以讓我們有個空間在第四項以 |
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7105.7 |
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中央主管機關因一來源國產品 |
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7107.7 |
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業者國際預警跟供應鏈風險 |
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7107.7 |
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7109.7 |
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來調整我們的查驗頻率跟措施 |
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7109.7 |
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7111.7 |
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那查驗頻率跟措施 |
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7111.7 |
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的部分在現有的 |
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7115.7 |
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這個查驗頻率跟的頻率 |
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7115.7 |
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7117.7 |
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這個相關的技術跟規定 |
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7119.7 |
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我們本來就有那 |
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7119.7 |
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7121.7 |
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委員這邊關切到說是不是有調升 |
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7123.7 |
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這個部分我們會固定 |
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7123.7 |
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7125.7 |
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請食藥署這邊必要時候來做說明 |
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好我想這個 |
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7131.13 |
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的內容需要再做一些溝通 |
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7133.13 |
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那我們先休息十分鐘 |
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7741.97 |
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7743.97 |
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好那我們就繼續審查第30條 |
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7745.97 |
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相關的這個部分 |
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那請各位委員對衛福部的說明 |
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以及螢幕上的條文 |
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是否還有其他意見 |
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要進一步討論 |
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那可以請大家也注意一下 |
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目前在螢幕上的條文 |
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7760.8 |
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7762.8 |
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這樣能不能夠符合我們所剛剛 |
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7762.8 |
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7764.8 |
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針對邊境的 |
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7766.8 |
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這個 |
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7767.91 |
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7769.91 |
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管理的部分大家可以 |
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7769.91 |
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7771.91 |
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依據現在的條文了解 |
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7773.91 |
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衛福部在執行上 |
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7775.91 |
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他可以 |
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7775.91 |
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7777.91 |
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盡到最大邊境管制的這些 |
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7779.91 |
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該有的措施 |
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7782.29 |
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剛剛大家提到 |
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7784.29 |
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就是說針對那個 |
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7784.29 |
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7786.29 |
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大宗的物資 |
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7787.18 |
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7789.18 |
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農產品 |
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7788.88 |
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7790.88 |
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然後他的那個標準 |
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7792.88 |
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因為現在 |
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7793.24 |
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7795.24 |
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所以要屬於一個標準就是 |
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7795.24 |
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他查到他是針對該廠商去提高抽菸比率 |
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7797.24 |
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7799.24 |
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但是我們剛剛在講的是 |
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7801.24 |
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如果像這一次 |
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7803.24 |
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類似馬鈴薯大宗的 |
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7803.24 |
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7805.24 |
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農產品或是大宗的 |
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7805.24 |
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7807.24 |
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原物料他應該是 |
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7807.24 |
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7809.24 |
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要另外一套標準那今天這樣子 |
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7809.24 |
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7811.24 |
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寫的話並沒有 |
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7811.24 |
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7813.24 |
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把我們的想法 |
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7813.24 |
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7815.24 |
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寫進去那剛剛 |
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7815.24 |
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7817.24 |
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民眾黨會務委員其實也有類似 |
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7817.24 |
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7819.24 |
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的主張我認為在 |
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7819.24 |
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7821.24 |
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文字上這次修法如果要有一個 |
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7821.24 |
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7823.24 |
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應該要把剛剛我們最關切的那個 |
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7823.24 |
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7825.24 |
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大宗原物料 |
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7826.77 |
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7830.77 |
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大宗的農產品廣泛應用的這個農產品這個要寫進去 |
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7830.77 |
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7832.77 |
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他的那個 |
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7832.77 |
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7834.77 |
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頻率應該是一查到之後就要 |
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7834.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
7836.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
提高這個查驗的 |
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7836.77 |
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7838.77 |
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標準 |
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7837.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
7839.84 |
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委員這邊是不是就是說 |
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7839.84 |
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7841.84 |
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因為我們在第四項裡面用 |
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7841.84 |
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7843.84 |
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的是供應鏈風 |
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7843.84 |
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7845.84 |
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我們講的就是應依這個供應鏈風險 |
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7845.84 |
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7847.84 |
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所以剛剛提到不論是大宗 |
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7847.84 |
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7849.84 |
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或者是他的這一個 |
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7849.84 |
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7851.84 |
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農產品本身可能因為品質 |
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7851.84 |
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7853.84 |
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或者是特定的這個 |
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7853.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
7855.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
區域會比較有風險的 |
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7855.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
7857.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
這個部分就在供應鏈風險這邊 |
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7857.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
7859.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
把它納入嘛他就是所謂的 |
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7859.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
7861.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
供應鏈風險那供應鏈風險這邊 |
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7861.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
7863.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
針對剛剛委員所提到的我們在原來 |
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7863.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
7865.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
的食品及相關產品輸入 |
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7865.84 |
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7867.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
查驗辦法這邊那是不是 |
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7867.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
7869.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
讓我們對於這一個食品及相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
7869.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
7871.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
在我們如果說修法 |
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7871.84 |
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7873.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
之後以我們30條這邊 |
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7873.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
7875.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
第四項我們文字上面 |
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7875.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
7877.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
的這個國際預警及供應鏈風險 |
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7877.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
7879.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
那我們就回到我們食品及相關 |
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7879.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
7881.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
產品輸入查驗辦法裡面 |
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7881.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
7883.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
去對於委員這邊所特別關切 |
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7883.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
7885.84 |
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到的大宗農產品或者是高度 |
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7885.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
7887.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
風險農產品我們做個調整是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
7887.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
7889.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
可以讓我們有這樣的授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
7891.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
7893.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
查驗辦法這邊因為真的 |
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7893.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
7895.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
他會有不同的狀況有的大宗農產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
7895.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
7897.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].text |
可能風險低有大宗農產品風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
7897.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
7899.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
高啦有的可能沒有很大宗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
7899.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
7901.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
可是風險高啦還有不同樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
7901.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
7903.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
對啊那我要問的就是說像 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
7903.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
7905.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
這次馬鈴薯事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
7905.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
7907.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].text |
你們要怎麼你們要怎麼解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
7907.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].end |
7909.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].text |
讓我們從這個食品及相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
7909.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].end |
7911.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].text |
產品輸入查驗辦法這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].start |
7911.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].end |
7913.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
針對特定的幾個項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
7913.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].end |
7915.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].text |
我們尤其在其中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
7915.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].end |
7917.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].text |
應該是在第11條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
7917.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].end |
7919.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
這裡他有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
7919.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
7921.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
第11條我們有的文字是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
7921.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].end |
7923.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
輸入產品有下列情形之一者才一般 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
7923.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].end |
7925.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].text |
然後我們還有輸入產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].start |
7925.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].end |
7927.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
有下列情形者才逐批 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
7927.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].end |
7929.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].text |
那一般跟逐批這邊他的一些標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
7929.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].end |
7931.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].text |
我們另外再去做調整好不好還有第14條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
7931.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].end |
7933.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
我們有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
7933.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
7935.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
抽批打幾批以上我們有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
7935.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
7937.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
符合標準會有調度的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
7937.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
7939.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
讓我們在這個食品抽驗標準這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
7939.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].end |
7941.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
就是我們的輸入食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
7941.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].end |
7943.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
查驗標準這裡去做調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
7943.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
7945.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
那我建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
7945.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
7947.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
趙偉是不是這一條先保了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
7947.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
7949.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
你們把那個要怎麼改 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
7950.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
7952.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
對就是搭配準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
7952.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
7954.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
你們那個讓我們覺得安心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
7954.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
7956.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
就是才按照這樣的文字好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
7957.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
7959.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
好那第30條現行保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
7959.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
7961.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
那依照剛剛討論的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
7961.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
7963.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
做經濟部的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
7965.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
7969.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
那我們續審新增31-1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
7969.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
7971.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
請為務說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
7973.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
7975.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
有關於31條之一的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
7975.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
7979.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
由黃建豪委員及邱振聲委員提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
7979.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
7981.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
針對我們新增 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
7981.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
7983.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
輸入來源國資食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
7983.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
7985.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
衛生或品質相關的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
7985.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
7987.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
要適用我國規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
7987.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
7989.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
並授權中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
7989.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
7991.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
得命業者或其代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
7991.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
7993.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
於指定期限內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
7993.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
7995.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
提出符合我國標準的檢驗報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
7995.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
7997.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
或相關的證明文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
7997.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
7999.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
作為准與輸入之 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
7999.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
8001.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
要件的一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
8001.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
8003.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
那因為我們現行的食安法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
8003.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
8005.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
對於其相關的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
8005.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
8007.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
已經有明定了我們輸入食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
8009.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
8011.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
其實相關產品本來就應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
8011.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
8013.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
符合我國的法令規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
8014.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
8018.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
並不就不符合我國規定之產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
8018.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
8020.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
訂定有管制的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
8020.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
8022.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
一定要是符合我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
8022.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
8024.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
合合才能夠進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
8024.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
8026.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
另以授權主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
8026.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
8028.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
於必要時要求業者提供了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
8028.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
8030.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
相關的紀錄文件及資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
8030.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
8032.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
或於申請輸入查驗時 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
8032.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
8036.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].text |
檢附指定文件及資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
8036.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
8040.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].text |
以足以達成委員提案的目的跟精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
8040.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
8042.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
委員考量我們現行的法制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
8042.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
8046.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
以有相關的規範及執行的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
8046.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
8050.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
上無新增訂專條的必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
8050.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
8052.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
所以這邊特別建議是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
8052.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
8054.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
不予增訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
8054.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
8056.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
那我們在輸入食品及相關產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
8056.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
8058.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
我們本身在食安法及相關規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
8058.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
8062.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
其中食安法第52條第5項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
8062.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
8064.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
跟食品及相關產品輸入查驗辦法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
8064.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
8066.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
第20條裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
8066.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
8068.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
規定管制其輸入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
8068.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
8070.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
就已經達成這樣的效果了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
8070.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
8072.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
以上是進一步的一項說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
8073.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
8075.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
好,那請問在場委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
8075.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
8077.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
有沒有要提出來討論發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
8079.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
8083.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
如果沒有的話,那我們就31-1就不予增訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
8086.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
8088.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
續審31條之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
8088.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
8090.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
請為府說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
8092.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
8094.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
針對31條之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
8094.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
8098.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
邱政堅委員等20人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
8098.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
8100.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
業者自主檢驗結果通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
8100.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
8102.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
及主管機關接獲通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
8102.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].end |
8104.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].text |
之後續的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
8104.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].end |
8106.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
整合勾稽的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
8106.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
8108.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
追溯追蹤及輸入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
8108.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
8110.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
申報相關資料等規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
8110.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
8112.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
那屬於第三章 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
8112.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
8114.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
食品業者衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
8114.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
8116.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
管理的專章的範疇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
8116.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
8118.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
其實管理的意指的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].start |
8118.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
8120.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
在我們建議條文先前的第7條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
8120.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
8122.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
跟第9條中有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
8122.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
8126.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
那到31條之2的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].start |
8126.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
8130.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
我們放在的是食品輸入管理的專章 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
8130.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
8134.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
其規範重點在於輸入食品之管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].start |
8134.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
8138.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
與前述業者自主檢驗結果通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].start |
8138.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].end |
8142.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].text |
及主管機關後續處置的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
8142.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
8144.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
在體例上也比較不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
8144.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
8146.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
考量相關的提案意指 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
8146.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
8148.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
已經納入建議的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
8148.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
8150.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
第7條第9條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
8150.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
8152.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
這部分在後續未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
8152.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
8154.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
也會進一步的再去做討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
8154.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
8156.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
那且各 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
8156.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
8158.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
依各章節規範的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
8158.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
8160.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
妥適的配置法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
8160.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
8164.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
原建議是不予增列第31條之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].start |
8164.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
8166.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
8167.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
8169.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
好 謝謝說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
8169.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
8171.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
那請問在場委員針對於這條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
8171.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
8173.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
有沒有進一步發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].start |
8175.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
8177.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
如果沒有的話我們就不予增訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
8180.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
8182.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
我們續審第37條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
8182.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
8184.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
那請衛福部說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
8184.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
8186.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
有關於第37條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].start |
8186.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
8188.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].text |
由王遠明、王偉仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].start |
8188.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].end |
8190.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
王偉仁等25人提出建議條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
8190.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
8194.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
修正第二項及第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
8194.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].end |
8198.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].text |
使與現行的檢驗認證制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
8198.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
8200.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
就特定的檢驗項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
8200.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
8204.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
確認受認證者之檢驗能力之管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
8204.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
8206.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
能夠相符 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
8206.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
8208.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
那本案稍微說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
8208.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
8210.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].text |
未能參採的理由是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
8210.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
8212.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].text |
希望能夠維持原來的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
8212.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
8216.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
因為現行的實評檢驗機構認證及委託認證管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
8216.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
8218.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
第二條已經明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
8218.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
8222.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
就特定檢驗項目的辦理認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
8223.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
8227.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
現行認證機制已透過執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
8227.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
8229.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
明確規範認證範圍與方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
8229.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
8231.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
原物需要另予修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
8233.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
8236.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
另外委員提案在第三項裡面增列 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
8236.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
8238.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
檢驗之委任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
8238.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
8242.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].text |
認證工作之委任委託等文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
8242.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
8244.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
我們在原條文第一及第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
8244.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
8246.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
已經有相關的文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
8246.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
8249.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
而且在行政程序法第15條裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
8249.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
8252.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
已明定行政機關得以法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
8253.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
8259.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
規將其權限之一部一部分委任所屬的下級機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
8259.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
8263.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
並應將委任事項及法規依據公告之 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
8263.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
8266.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
原物需另予修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
8266.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
8271.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
予及於執法規裡面規範委任之相關的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].start |
8271.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
8274.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
那就是以這樣子的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].start |
8274.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
8277.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].text |
就進一步的做一些調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].start |
8277.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
8279.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
這樣說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
8279.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
8281.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
是,來請問一委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
8285.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
8288.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
好,那就維持現行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
8288.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
8291.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
第37條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
8291.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
8296.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
我們續審37-1條的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
8296.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
8297.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
請外部說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
8300.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
8302.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
有關於37條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
8302.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
8305.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
王運民委員提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
8305.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
8308.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
有關認證檢驗機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
8308.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
8313.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
接受食品業者委託檢驗實質通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
8313.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
8315.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
那續涉及食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
8315.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
8320.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
依第7條辦理相自主檢驗之管理機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
8320.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
8325.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
那依第三章食品業者衛生管理規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
8325.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
8329.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
已將提案一紙納入我們建議條文第7條第4項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
8329.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
8332.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
以及同條的第6項授權研擬執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
8332.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
8335.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
明定我們認證機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
8335.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
8342.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
接受食品業者委託檢驗通報的內容方式對象以及實現等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
8342.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
8345.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
那另外有關於第37條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
8345.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
8349.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
我們至於第7章的食品檢驗的專章 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
8349.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
8355.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
現行人37條是各級主管機關公權力委任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
8355.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
8358.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
認證檢驗機構辦理之相關事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
8358.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
8361.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
與提案所設檢驗機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
8361.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
8366.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
受食品業者委託檢驗的情形有所不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
8366.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
8368.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
考量的條文在第7條第4項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
8368.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
8372.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
以及其授權執法規可以落實提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
8372.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
8375.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
所以要加強檢驗機構的議長通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
8375.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
8378.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
及主管機關即時掌握風險目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
8378.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
8380.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
並兼顧整個法規體力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
8380.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
8383.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
所以我建議能夠不予甄定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
8383.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
8384.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
8386.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
8388.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
謝謝說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
8388.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
8389.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
謝謝議員委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
8389.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
8393.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
所以第37之一條就不予甄定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
8394.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
8398.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
我們繼續審查第41條請微乎說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
8399.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
8402.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
有關於我們第41條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
8402.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
8404.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
這第41條部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
8404.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
8408.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
跟待會的47條之一的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
8408.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
8413.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
其實可以做進一步的整合一些思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
8413.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
8416.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
特別提到的中整各個提案的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
8416.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
8422.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
行政院跟多數的版本修法的方向是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
8422.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
8427.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
那依現行第41條架構是強化地方主管機關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
8427.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
8430.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
現場的查核資料的調閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
8430.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
8433.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
產品下架封存等處置的權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
8433.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
8437.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
即中央主管機關就重大突發性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
8437.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
8442.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
或其他食品安全衛生風險事件之管理措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
8442.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
8444.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
王委員特別提案的部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
8444.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
8448.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
重新規劃了第41條跟41條之一的架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
8448.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
8454.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
現行的第41條的一列修正條文到41條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
8454.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
8461.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
並於41條增列中央應訂定與執行專案查核計畫等事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
8461.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
8467.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
處理風險、高風險、大規模跨縣市食品安全的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
8467.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
8471.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
定期公開專案查核之執行情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
8471.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
8476.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
查核結果及後續處理之情形及第41條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
8476.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
8479.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
則延續現行41條之規範架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
8479.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
8485.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
並強化地方主管機關辦理、查核、抽驗等機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
8485.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
8490.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
明確區分中央跟地方主管機關的權責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
8490.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
8496.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
目前延續起來,行政院提供的架構並參考各提案的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
8496.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
8503.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
我們就增列中央與地方訂定專案查核或查核計畫的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
8503.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
8506.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
及強化特定業者的外部監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
8506.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
8509.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
我們提出了一些修正的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
8509.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
8511.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
特別是在第二項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
8511.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
8515.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
我們增訂了將現行查核的食物提升至母法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
8516.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
8523.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
衛生管理為直轄市縣廣號4支自治事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
8523.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
8532.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
地方主管機關得以轄內產業特性、食品安全、衛生風險及食品業者分佈的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
8532.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
8535.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
視妥適的配置等稽查資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
8535.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
8540.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
訂定年度的稽查計畫辦理現場查核跟抽驗的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
8540.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
8544.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
原來第二項我們就移至第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
8544.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
8552.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
另外我們明確的中央跟地方主管機關執行稽查及檢驗之權責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
8552.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
8562.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
我們修正訂明中央就重大突發性及其他食品安全衛生風險事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
8562.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
8563.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
EAT THE |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
8564.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
8567.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
辦理查核檢驗等措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
8567.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
8571.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
這些地方應配合辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
8571.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
8578.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
並增訂中央得整合食品安全及風險評估的資訊統籌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
8578.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
8584.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
規劃全國專案查核計畫並加入地方具體的執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
8584.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
8589.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
以強化中央地方協助的協同稽查的量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
8589.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
8593.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
以上的說明針對我們中央跟地方如何去共同協作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
8593.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
8596.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
特別是在第二項裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
8596.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
8601.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
我們做了中央跟地方的權責的部分做了說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
8601.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
8605.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
把第幾條之一的業者的規定能夠導入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
8613.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
8617.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
那我們針對中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
8617.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
8623.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
我們就採取得整合食品安全及風險評估資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
8623.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
8627.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
規劃全國性專案查核的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
8628.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
8630.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
交由直轄市縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
8630.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
8632.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
主管機關執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
8632.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
8638.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
就重大突發或其他食品衛生安全風險事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
8638.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
8642.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
中央主管機關一得前項規定之措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
8642.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
8647.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
直轄市縣市主管機關應配合辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
8647.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
8650.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
這在第二項的部分做進一步的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
8653.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
8656.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
謝謝 我想這一條真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
8656.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
8659.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
因應這次我們所發生的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
8659.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
8661.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
做一個很重大的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
8661.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
8664.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
內容也相當的廣泛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
8664.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
8668.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
最重要還是針對於地方主管機關跟中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
8668.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
8670.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
如何能夠把它整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
8670.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
8675.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
在守護我們民眾這個食品安全的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
8675.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
8679.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
有非常完整的一些處理的這個需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
8679.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
8681.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
那看各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
8682.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
8684.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
希望委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
8684.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
8686.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
然後再來就監會委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
8686.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
8689.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
好 我想問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
8689.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
8693.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
就是我們這個其中有一個重大突發性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
8693.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
8697.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
或其他食品衛生安全風險事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
8697.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
8701.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
那我是不是可以請這個食藥署這邊解釋一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
8701.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
8705.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
其他風險事件是什麼 是怎麼去定義的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
8709.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
8713.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
我們是怎麼去定義說這個其他風險事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
8713.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
8718.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
那另外就是說這個其中有一個預防性的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
8718.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
8722.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
那這個就是說預防性的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
8722.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
8724.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
是在什麼樣的情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
8724.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
8726.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
然後預防性的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
8726.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
8731.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
會不會是有時候就是說沒有經過查證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
8731.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
8734.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
或者是可能輿論的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
8734.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
8736.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
那就預防性的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
8736.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
8741.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
我覺得就是說缺乏一個法定的一個門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
8741.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
8744.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
就是說是不是可以再更明確一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
8746.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
8750.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
希望我們是不是也等監會委員發言以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
8750.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
8752.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
我們再一併來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
8752.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
8754.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
來 監會委員請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
8755.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
8756.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
8756.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
8762.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
我這邊要講的部分就是分成第一項 第二項跟第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
8762.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
8764.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
那剛剛有在第一項提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
8764.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
8769.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
把法條改為地方政府應執行這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
8769.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
8772.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
因為我們在第五條 就是食安法第五條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
8772.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
8776.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
還有第41條都已經規定得非常詳細了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
8776.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
8780.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
各級主管機關與監測發現有危害食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
8780.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
8782.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
衛生安全之餘的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
8782.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
8785.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
因主動查驗 包括抽樣檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
8785.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
8789.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
追查原料來源 產品流向等等的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
8789.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
8791.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
那今年呢 我有去看了一些案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
8791.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
8796.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
今年2026年7月30號監察院公佈一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
8796.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
8800.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
工業級的雙氧水清洗豬腸案的調查結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
8800.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
8803.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
指出食藥署跟屏東縣衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
8803.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
8807.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
延遲近四個月才稽查回收問題產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
8807.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
8811.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
違反現行第41條相關規定要求檢討改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
8811.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
8816.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
這個顯示現行的條文雖然是使用得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
8816.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
8821.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
可是呢 機關還是可以採取必要的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
8821.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
8824.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
所以第一個想要釐清的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
8824.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
8826.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
就是在第一項 第二項 第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
8826.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
8830.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
很多東西是跟第五條還有第41條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
8830.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
8833.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
是疊床加物都有重複的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
8833.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
8836.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
都有稽查跟管制的權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
8836.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
8839.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
可以請這個食藥署具體說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
8839.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
8843.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
為什麼改這些字對你們而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
8843.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
8847.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
現在依法處理有什麼限制嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
8847.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
8849.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
有什麼你們做不到的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
8849.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
8851.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
因為我不太理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
8851.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
8853.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
現在有第五條跟第41條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
8853.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
8856.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
監察院就已經有檢討這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
8856.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
8858.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
食藥署跟屏東縣衛生局了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
8858.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
8863.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
那第三項這邊剛剛署長有念過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
8865.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
8867.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
我是主張保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
8867.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
8872.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
因為你在所有的中央政府都是得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
8872.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
8876.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
然後所有的地方政府都是因配合辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
8876.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
8880.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
這邊我覺得你實務上會遇到一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
8880.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
8882.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
因為比如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
8883.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
8884.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
這個全國性的專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
8884.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
8887.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
它可能涉及地方沒有的檢驗項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
8887.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
8891.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
然後額外抽驗量還有跨縣市追查需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
8891.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
8893.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
這一項地方政府因配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
8893.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
8896.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
可是沒有同步交代中央政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
8896.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
8901.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
應該要如何評估執行的條件 支援 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
8901.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
8903.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
然後如何給地方資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
8903.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
8905.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
然後中央的責任到底在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
8905.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
8906.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
如果查驗有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
8906.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
8909.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
責任歸屬應該是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
8909.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
8911.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
當然回歸到我們最一開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
8911.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
8914.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
所以這條文第五條就有很明確的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
8914.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
8916.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
所以我不太知道第一項第二項第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
8916.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
8918.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
你實際想這樣子修 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
8918.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
8920.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
到底的必要性在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
8920.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
8921.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
8923.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
8925.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
好 那個再請易林委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
8926.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
8928.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
關於第四十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
8928.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
8931.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
因為這涉及到中央跟地方職責的分工 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
8931.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
8933.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
我要就叫衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
8933.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
8936.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
就是這個相關條文的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
8936.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
8938.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
你們有沒有跟地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
8938.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
8941.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
就是開過相關的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
8941.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
8945.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
就是大家針對現行這個食安稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
8945.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
8948.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
那這個中央跟地方政府的分工 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
8948.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
8950.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
還有應該要怎麼樣整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
8950.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
8953.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
其實是會有助於未來的運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
8953.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
8955.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
我覺得這樣修法才有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
8955.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
8956.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
而不是片面式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
8956.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
8959.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
因為現在其實是很多委員提出版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
8959.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
8962.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
但是我覺得更關鍵的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
8962.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
8966.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
食安其實它真正應該建構的就是食安一條邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
8966.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
8969.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
就是說這個食藥署的指揮體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
8969.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
8971.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
要能發揮很強大的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
8971.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
8975.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
那地方政府也體認到應該要怎麼樣互相合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
8975.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
8978.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
那你們應該去理解地方政府有哪一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
8978.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
8982.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
它現行的運作的困難或資源條件不足等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
8982.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
8984.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
所以我要就叫就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
8984.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
8987.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
在這一條你們有沒有跟地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
8987.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
8989.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
好好的坐下來開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
8989.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
8992.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
因為每一次的重大食安事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
8992.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
8996.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
坦白講中央地方都一定是要一起合作的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
8996.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
8998.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
因為它波及的縣市都是跨縣市的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
8998.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
8999.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
很少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
9000.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
9003.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
就是很小範圍就是只停留在單一縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
9003.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
9004.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
幾乎都是跨縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
9004.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
9006.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
特別是像之前這個有品事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
9006.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
9008.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
那幾乎每一個縣市都中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
9008.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
9010.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
那所以這一個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
9010.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
9013.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
我覺得如果要修法有意義的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
9013.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
9015.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
你們這個工作應該先做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
9015.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
9018.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
中央政府跟地方政府坐下來好好開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
9018.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
9021.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
就是特別是最近發起的這樣重大食安事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
9021.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
9024.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
那到底還有哪一些彼此之間應該去調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
9024.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
9026.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
而且讓那個整個的整合是更有效率 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
9026.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
9028.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
更能發揮作用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
9028.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
9030.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
我覺得那個修法才有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
9030.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
9033.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
因為有沒有去開會待會回覆一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
9034.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
9037.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
好 那就麻煩衛福士先生先說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
9037.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
9039.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
好 我跟署長依序回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
9039.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
9041.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
第一個事情就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
9041.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
9044.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
剛剛宣發委員這邊有提到包含暫時下架這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
9044.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
9048.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
在原來法條 現行法條的第五款是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
9048.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
9051.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
就是說假設有相關違反第八條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
9051.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
9055.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
第一項 第十五條 第四項 第十六條的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
9055.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
9060.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
那我們可以要求這個食品業者暫停作業跟停止販賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
9060.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
9062.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
所以在後面的法條會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
9062.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
9067.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
對於這樣子的預防性下架之後的一些風險補償等等的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
9067.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
9069.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
這個部分先跟委員做個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
9069.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
9073.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
那再來的話其實先中整一下就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
9073.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
9076.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
在原來的四十一條的版本裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
9076.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
9079.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
我也認同剛剛也謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
9079.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
9081.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
就是這一次想要利用修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
9081.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
9084.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
我們也把中央跟地方的權責整合一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
9084.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
9087.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
那其實過去長期以來地方本來就有它一定在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
9087.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
9089.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
對於特定的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
9089.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
9093.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
或者它自己轄區內的一些食品去做檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
9093.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
9096.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
那中央這邊 舉例來說像油的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
9096.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
9100.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
我們也定期會由中央來做一個這個專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
9100.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
9102.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
那這個專案就回到剛剛委員所提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
9102.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
9104.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
可能地方沒有的量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
9104.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
9107.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
或者是地方本身檢驗的項目的能力不夠的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
9107.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
9110.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
在專案這一邊我們就用專案的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
9110.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
9113.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
協助地方縣市政府可以由中央來補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
9113.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
9114.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
用專案的方式來查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
9114.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
9117.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
所以在這一次的有品事件裡面可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
9117.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
9120.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
其實主要在這個有些縣市它的查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
9120.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
9122.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
就是我們在中央的專案裡面去做出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
9122.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
9126.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
那但是當然所以也我們中整了委員的第41條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
9126.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
9129.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
跟第41條之一的相關的法義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
9129.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
9131.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
跟想要修法的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
9131.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
9133.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
那第一個事情就考量到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
9133.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
9136.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
當然沒有錯有些事情在中央可能會認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
9136.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
9139.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
它是比較重要或者中央希望來交由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
9139.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
9144.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
全國各直轄市直轄縣市主管機關來執行的一些專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
9144.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
9147.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
但是依照地方有一些不同的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
9147.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
9150.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
那如果有都由中央權責來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
9150.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
9154.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
可能也會有就是對於地方的特定產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
9154.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
9157.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
可能由中央統籌的話會有一些漏掉的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
9157.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
9161.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
或者是偏重某些產業偏重某些縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
9161.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
9162.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
某些縣市沒有辦法被cover到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
9162.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
9165.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
所以我們在後來去調整的這個條文裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
9165.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
9167.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
就想說在第二項跟第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
9167.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
9169.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
分別把中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
9171.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
9175.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
在食品安全這裡的相關這個查驗的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
9175.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
9177.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
去做一個分項的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
9177.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
9180.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
就參考委員的這個立法精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
9180.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
9183.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
那另外的話就是剛剛委員這邊提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
9183.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
9186.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
我們在我們在玉米的這個文字裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
9186.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
9189.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
是以中央主管機關得整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
9189.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
9192.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
那地方政府也得依其轄內產品特性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
9192.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
9195.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
那當然如果委員認為強度上面需要再調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
9195.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
9197.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
我們等一下可以再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
9197.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
9199.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
那剛剛其實委員提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
9199.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
9201.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
這個跟地方是不是能夠執行等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
9201.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
9203.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
一個部分是我們也收到很多地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
9203.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
9205.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
也希望我們在這次修法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
9205.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
9209.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
能夠在中央跟地方的這個權責能夠分清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
9209.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
9211.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
這樣子他們在執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
9211.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
9212.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
或者是我們中央在介入的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
9212.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
9214.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
比較有一些相關的法源可以處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
9214.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
9217.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
那至於說其他的細節我請署長補充一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
9220.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
9223.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
我們在政委主持的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
9223.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
9225.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
食安法修法的會議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
9225.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
9229.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
其實在縣市六個都的縣市首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
9229.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
9230.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
其實都有做出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
9230.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
9233.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
在中間我們在做進一步做溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
9233.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
9236.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].text |
那後續的部分這些修法的一些共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
9236.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
9239.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
我們其實持續在進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
9239.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
9242.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
沒有正式的做下來修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
9242.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
9244.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
對但是有請他們提醒他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
9244.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
9246.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
他們有意見可以能夠提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
9246.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
9249.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
那對於剛才提到的整個稽查的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
9249.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
9253.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
那因為剛才特別提到我們是中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
9253.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
9255.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
其實是跟地方之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
9255.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
9259.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
其實是分屬合作進行食品的稽查的專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
9259.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
9264.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
那食藥署門會依據整個食品安全的風險的管理原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
9264.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
9267.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
綜合參考其實整個施政重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
9267.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
9270.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
跟法規的歷年的稽查情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].start |
9270.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
9271.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
跟餘情的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].start |
9271.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
9275.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
作為中央食品年度稽查的專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
9276.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
9281.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].text |
所以我們今年的專案也有將近有40個30幾個專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
9281.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
9283.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
那在持續進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
9283.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
9286.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
這專案的其實已經確立下來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
9286.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
9289.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
跟地方其實共同去協作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
9289.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].end |
9292.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
然後達成這樣子的專案的執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
9292.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].end |
9294.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
所以這邊特別進一步的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
9294.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
9297.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
那我們會如何去訂定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
9297.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].end |
9300.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].text |
的確是按照我們整個政策性上面重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
9300.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].end |
9302.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
我們發現哪些是屬於高風險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
9302.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
9305.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
用我們現在有一些跨部會的大數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
9305.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
9308.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
能夠整合整個統計的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
9308.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
9310.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].text |
過去集合的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
9310.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
9314.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
還有或是國際的餘情跨部會的風險的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
9314.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
9318.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].text |
我們會先訂出所謂優先稽查的業者的清單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
9318.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
9320.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
以及稽查的品項相似 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
9320.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
9323.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
那有地方機關依照轄內產業現況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
9323.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
9326.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
也可以做業者分布的自主規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
9326.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
9329.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
跟執行轄內食品業者的例行性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
9329.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
9331.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
跟專案性的查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
9331.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
9334.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
再把查核的結果我們上傳在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
9334.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
9337.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
要署內的PMDS的飛機不可系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
9337.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
9339.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
讓整個查核結果中央地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
9339.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
9342.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
作為後續共同查處的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
9342.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
9344.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
所以這樣子的機制的確都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
9344.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
9345.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
已經存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
9345.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
9347.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
只是在第41條裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
9347.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
9349.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
我們特別強化了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
9349.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
9351.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
把它列出來中央地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
9352.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
9353.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
剛剛有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
9353.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
9357.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
委員特別在41條跟41條之一的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
9357.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
9362.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
把中央跟地方完全分開來做重塑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
9362.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
9363.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
再說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
9363.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
9365.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
那我們這邊是把我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
9365.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
9367.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
地方的部分在第二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
9367.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
9371.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
第二項裡面進一步的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
9371.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
9375.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
中央部分的第三裡面做進一步的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
9375.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
9377.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
所以以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
9378.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
9379.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
好請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
9379.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
9381.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
我在從剛剛宣發委員問到的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
9381.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
9384.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
中央這邊就重大突發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
9384.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
9386.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
或其他食品衛生安全風險事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
9386.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
9388.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
中央主管機關來做的這個措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
9388.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
9392.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
就是說地方政府平常它針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
9392.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
9393.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
就是我們在原來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
9393.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
9395.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
我們現在所蘊擬的文字裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
9395.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
9397.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
地方政府主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
9397.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
9399.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
它得以它轄內的產業特性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
9399.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
9401.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
或它食品衛生安全風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
9401.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
9402.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
跟食品業者的分布 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
9402.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
9404.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
來做它的年度稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
9404.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
9405.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
那中央這邊的突發性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
9405.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
9406.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
有什麼樣的例子呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
9406.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
9407.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
9407.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
9409.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
中央這邊是要所謂定期的去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
9409.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
9412.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
他們是平常就是都一直在追蹤全球 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
9412.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
9414.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
因為我們畢竟在很多食品是從國外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
9414.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
9415.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
等等會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
9415.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
9417.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
所以我們都會隨時在注意就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
9417.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
9419.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
全球有沒有一些突發性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
9419.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
9420.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
食品衛生安全風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
9420.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
9422.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
那這個動作當然不太可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
9422.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].end |
9423.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].text |
要求地方政府去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
9423.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].end |
9425.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
那所以說由中央這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
9425.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
9427.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
我們發現突發性的這個食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
9427.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
9429.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
尤其是國際上有發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
9429.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
9431.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
食品衛生安全風險事件的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
9431.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
9434.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
那就由中央主管機關這邊來啟動這個動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
9434.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
9436.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
那當然直接來把這樣的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
9436.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
9438.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
交由地方主管機關來協助辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
9438.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
9440.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
所以大概舉個例子跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
9440.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
9442.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
重大突發的大概是這樣子的例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
9442.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
9443.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
9444.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
9445.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
9446.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
9448.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
有請劉建國委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
9464.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
9466.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
你們好像都沒有回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
9466.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
9469.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
你們是不認可 不接受 反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
9469.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
9473.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
我們預計是在提案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
9473.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
9476.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
我們在另外在甄定在7-1裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
9476.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
9478.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
第一項第一款裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
9478.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
9481.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
已經強制公告類別及規模特定業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
9481.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
9484.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
其食品安全監測計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
9484.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
9486.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
應經過專業簽證裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
9486.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
9488.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
專業簽證裡面我們其實把 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
9488.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
9490.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
我們食品醫護公共衛生師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
9490.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
9493.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
生計等相關的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
9493.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
9495.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
一多數的具備的食品技師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
9495.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
9497.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
營養師等專業的證照製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
9497.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
9500.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
我們在是在第7-1條裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
9500.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
9502.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
這個部分上次是保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
9502.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
9505.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
所以我們後續會跟委員這邊做進一步的去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
9505.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
9507.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
部分我們有參彩 有納入了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
9507.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
9508.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
9510.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
9513.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
不是 你7-1導入公衛跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
9513.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
9516.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
公衛師跟這個食品技師嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
9516.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
9517.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
你簽證稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
9518.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
9519.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
9519.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
9521.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
這7-1條可以解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
9524.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
9526.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
其實是沒有特別有稽查的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].start |
9526.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
9527.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
但是真的簽證的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
9527.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
9530.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
我們在 我現在在某一個條文有寫到這件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
9530.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
9533.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].text |
我是去年在10月13的時候啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].start |
9533.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].end |
9535.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].text |
因為那天是署長在嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].start |
9535.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].end |
9537.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].text |
食安的稽查人力一直不足嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].start |
9538.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].end |
9540.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].text |
對不對 這是現狀嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].start |
9540.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].end |
9541.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].text |
沒有錯嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].start |
9541.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].end |
9544.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].text |
然後當時有調出114年度的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
9544.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
9546.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].text |
FDA的稽查人力是167 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].start |
9546.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].end |
9549.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].text |
那地方衛生局463 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
9549.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
9551.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
合計差不多630位啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
9551.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
9554.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
然後如果要扣除這個邊境的差異人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
9554.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
9558.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
真正投入到這個國內的食安稽查人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
9558.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
9560.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
應該只有549 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].start |
9560.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].end |
9564.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].text |
那549我們有將近47萬家的食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
9564.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
9566.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
你這些人力的一個佔比 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].start |
9567.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].end |
9569.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].text |
這個顯然是有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].start |
9570.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
9572.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
這個不是現在在討論啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].start |
9572.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
9573.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
之前就有提醒過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].start |
9573.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
9575.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
我們有把它寫在條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
9575.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].end |
9577.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].text |
但是是不是容許我們稍微找一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
9577.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].end |
9579.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].text |
再跟委員這邊報告好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
9581.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
9584.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].text |
市長你還要再找就代表有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].start |
9584.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].end |
9586.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].text |
有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
9587.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].end |
9588.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
這麼多條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
9588.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
9590.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
但是你現在要把 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
9590.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
9591.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].text |
我們希望把公衛司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
9591.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].end |
9593.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].text |
跟食品技師導入到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
9593.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
9596.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
這個食安的整個的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
9596.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
9598.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
這樣的一個流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].start |
9598.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].end |
9602.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].text |
的半年更強的一個角色的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].start |
9602.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].end |
9604.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].text |
那個當然就要非常的明確化嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].start |
9604.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].end |
9605.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].text |
那7月8號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].start |
9605.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].end |
9606.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].text |
今年7月8號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].start |
9606.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].end |
9608.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
我又特別在委員會有質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].start |
9608.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].end |
9611.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].text |
再提出這個食品技師的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].start |
9611.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].end |
9612.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].text |
就是希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].start |
9612.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].end |
9617.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].text |
我也不應該嚴厲導入這個食品技師的驗證制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].start |
9617.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].end |
9620.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].text |
那強化這個食品安全的三級把關嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].start |
9620.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].end |
9621.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].text |
哪三級 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].start |
9621.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].end |
9624.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].text |
第一級就是食品業者內部的食品技師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].start |
9625.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].end |
9629.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].text |
落實整個食品製程品質及這個衛生安全管理嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].start |
9629.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].end |
9631.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].text |
是謝謝委員這邊催詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].start |
9631.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].end |
9633.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].text |
我倒要進一步說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].start |
9633.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].end |
9635.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].text |
我們三級驗證裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].start |
9635.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].end |
9639.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].text |
41條第一項第一款是主管機關執行現場查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].start |
9639.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].end |
9642.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].text |
它是屬於公權力之執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].start |
9642.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].end |
9648.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].text |
那涉現場的稽查法規跟含涉及處分的強制作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].start |
9648.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].end |
9652.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].text |
所以這個部分我們對於現行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].start |
9652.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].end |
9654.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].text |
現場的查核人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
9654.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].end |
9657.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].text |
其實他都有具備這樣子的身份的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].start |
9657.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].end |
9659.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].text |
那我們先前採納的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].start |
9659.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].end |
9661.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].text |
特別是在二級評管裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
9661.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].end |
9665.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].text |
在我們第七條的七之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].start |
9665.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].end |
9667.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].text |
特別在第七條裡面特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].start |
9667.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].end |
9670.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].text |
食品業者因實施自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
9670.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].end |
9674.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].text |
訂定食品安全監測計畫確保食品安全衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
9674.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].end |
9677.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
符合一定類別及規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].start |
9677.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].end |
9679.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].text |
都要其食品安全監測計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
9679.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].end |
9682.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
飲精專業簽證後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
9683.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].end |
9686.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
報經中央主管機關核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
9686.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].end |
9689.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].text |
這部分是在我們的整個簽證的計畫的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
9689.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].end |
9692.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].text |
我剛才特別提到41條第一項第一款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
9692.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].end |
9695.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].text |
的確是主管機關執行現場查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
9695.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].end |
9696.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].text |
執行公權力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
9696.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].end |
9700.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
所以這些技師執行公權力的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
9700.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].end |
9704.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
可能會有涉及剛才提到的強制的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
9704.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].end |
9706.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].text |
特別特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
9706.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
9707.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
因此我們才會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
9707.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
9710.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
在第七條之一的第一項第一款裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
9710.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
9712.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
強制公告的類別及規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
9712.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
9714.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].text |
是特定業者食品業者的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
9714.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].end |
9716.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].text |
是食品安全監測計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
9716.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].end |
9718.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
飲精專業簽證的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
9718.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].end |
9719.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
把它納入了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
9719.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
9721.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
這跟委員做進一步的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
9721.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
9723.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
是因為情境是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
9723.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
9726.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
是二級品管跟三級品管裡面的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
9726.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
9727.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
我們才 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
9730.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
9733.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
在簽證的地方我們其實都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
9733.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
9735.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
都讓他們再導入了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
9735.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
9736.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
不是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
9736.43 |
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9739.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
這不管是食品其實也有工職的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
9739.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
9740.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
工業是也有工職的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
9741.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
9742.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
怎麼沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
9742.97 |
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9743.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
對有工職的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
9743.97 |
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9744.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
9744.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
9745.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
我今天根本就有頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
9745.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
9746.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
有他們有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
9748.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
9750.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
工職就是公務人員了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
9750.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
9751.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
是喔是喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
9751.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
9752.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
這個東西納入都沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
9752.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
9755.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
他們本身的身分有這個食品安全計師的身分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
9755.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
9758.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
但是我剛剛聽淑永講的好像不是這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
9758.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
9761.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
你剛剛講的在第一項裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
9761.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
9765.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
你的描述是說這個需要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
9765.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].end |
9768.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
我們就是地方政府的這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
9768.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
9771.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
地方跟中央政府的介入的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
9771.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
9773.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
好像公衛跟食品計師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
9773.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
9777.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
你是把他秉儲公職的公衛跟食品計師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
9777.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
9778.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
這不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
9778.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
9779.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
這不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
9779.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
9781.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
我就誤會了再澄清 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
9782.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
9787.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
執行我們41條第一項第一款裡面的現場的稽查等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
9787.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
9791.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
這些我們原則上都是公務人員執行公務的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
9791.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
9792.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
假如公務人員執行公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
9792.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
9794.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
他本身是有食品計師一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
9794.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
9796.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
當然都是都都在裡面的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
9796.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
9798.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
如果他沒有公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
9798.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
9800.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
沒有辦法執行公權力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
9800.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
9802.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
只有考到證照 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
9802.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
9804.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
他是沒有辦法執行這件事情的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
9804.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
9809.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
所以大概是兩個方向大概是跟委員就進一步說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
9810.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
9814.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
簽證的部分是他們會請他們專業來導入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
9824.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
9826.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
9828.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
9830.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].text |
在簽證那邊我們會納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
9830.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
9832.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
簽證那邊是納入公衛師嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
9832.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
9836.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
簽證的身份條件可以包含食品計師或公衛師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
9836.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
9839.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
但是在現在我們在41條這邊講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
9839.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
9841.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
他去執行就是包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
9841.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
9842.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].text |
因為他這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
9842.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
9844.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
我們可以參考原條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
9844.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
9846.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
我們這邊包含了他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
9846.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
9849.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
要原條文這邊就是原條文這邊第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
9849.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
9852.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
執行現實主管機關會確保食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
9852.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
9854.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
食品添加物食品器具食品容器或包裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
9855.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
9860.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
及食品用洗潔劑符合本法規定得執行下列措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
9860.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
9862.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
業者應配不得規避妨礙或拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
9862.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
9864.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
這裡面他的動作包含進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
9864.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
9868.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
製造加工調配包裝運送儲存販賣場所執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
9868.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
9870.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
現場查核及抽樣檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
9870.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
9872.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
第二 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
9872.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
9875.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
為錢款這個查核或抽樣檢驗時 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
9875.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
9878.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
得要求錢款場所這食品業者提供原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
9878.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
9882.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
或產品之來源及數量作業品保販賣對象金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
9882.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
9884.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
其他佐證資料證明或記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
9884.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
9886.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
所以就是剛剛署長說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
9886.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
9889.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
這個行為是由縣市政府的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
9889.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
9891.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
公務員去執行這個業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
9891.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
9893.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
那委員所關心的公衛師這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
9893.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
9895.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
我們應該是在前面的法條有寫到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].start |
9895.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
9900.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
就是在這個應該在第七條那一邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
9900.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
9903.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
進入到我們講的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].start |
9904.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
9906.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
食品記憶我們那個簽證那一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
9906.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
9908.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].text |
簽證那一塊有納入公衛師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
9908.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
9910.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
所以這個部分特別提 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
9910.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
9913.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
如果是公務衛生師他們有興趣在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
9913.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
9915.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
衛生行政考衛生行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
9915.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
9917.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
就填來食藥署我們就進來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
9919.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
9922.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
對對所以他們三個都是食品機師我們主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
9922.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
9926.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
所以他也是有興趣在公務機關裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
9926.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
9930.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].text |
任職那經過公務人員的任免考試進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
9930.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
9932.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].text |
所以我們並沒有特別排除任何一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
9932.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
9937.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
符合我們的相關資格的考選人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
9937.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
9940.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].text |
所以這個部分那至於特別對簽證的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].start |
9940.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
9942.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
我們是在二級評管的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
9942.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
9944.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].text |
我們就在第七條七之一裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
9944.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
9946.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
特別把它列進去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
9946.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
9950.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
市長這個這個我請市長跟署長看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
9950.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
9952.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
我的我的條文的草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
9952.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
9954.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
在第一款裡面我要導入這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
9954.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
9956.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
得由公共衛生師協助辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
9956.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
9960.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
那第二款是導入食品機師來做查爾簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
9962.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
9964.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
公務醫師公職的公務醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
9964.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
9967.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
你們要不要用事你們再決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
9967.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
9971.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
我們現在可以很清楚的跟委員講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
9971.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
9973.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
你真正具有公職的公務醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
9973.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
9975.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
現在才幾位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
9975.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
9978.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
你的手指頭又算不完 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
9979.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
9981.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
因為公務醫師的考試 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
9981.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
9984.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
我覺得這剛好是這兩年才通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
9984.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
9987.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
所以我們在這變成數內對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
9987.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
9988.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
考過已經一堆了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
9988.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
9989.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
但是你們要把公務醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
9989.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].end |
9991.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
鬧到到公職的公務醫師的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].start |
9991.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
9993.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
是非常非常低啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
9993.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
9995.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
這是現狀這是現狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
9995.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
9996.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].text |
你們要不要用嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
9998.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
9999.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].text |
這是一件事情啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
9999.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
10001.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
你把我放到七之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
10001.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
10003.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
跟現在我把這個放在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
10003.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
10005.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
四一條的第一款第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
10005.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
10007.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
我覺得這個有什麼樣的一個衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
10007.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
10009.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
還是在來一行還是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
10009.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
10010.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
你們認為你們七之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
10010.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
10013.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
跟我現在的四一條的第一款第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].start |
10013.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].end |
10015.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].text |
把導入公衛師的協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
10015.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].end |
10017.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].text |
跟這個食品機師的查爾簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
10017.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].end |
10019.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].text |
有什麼樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
10020.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].end |
10022.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
什麼樣的自然型還是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].start |
10022.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].end |
10024.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].text |
還是你們的比較好我們比較不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].start |
10027.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].end |
10028.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].text |
還是有什麼樣層次上的落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].start |
10028.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].end |
10029.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].text |
你可以明講嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].start |
10030.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].end |
10033.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].text |
那你是講說要考公務醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].start |
10033.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].end |
10035.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].text |
他對這個有興趣可以去考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].start |
10035.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].end |
10036.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].text |
考到的你不一定會用啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].start |
10037.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].end |
10039.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].text |
因為之前在處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].start |
10039.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].end |
10040.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].text |
沒有沒有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].start |
10040.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].end |
10042.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].text |
如果是公務員的身份我沒有不用啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].start |
10042.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].end |
10043.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].text |
不是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].start |
10043.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].end |
10045.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].text |
不是我以為他如果是公務員的身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].start |
10045.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].end |
10047.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].text |
在這一個四十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].start |
10047.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].end |
10048.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].text |
他依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].start |
10048.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].end |
10050.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].text |
我們之前處理過公職的公衛師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].start |
10050.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].end |
10052.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].text |
坦白講有爆出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].start |
10052.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].end |
10054.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].text |
我們各機關有爆出需求的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].start |
10054.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].end |
10057.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].text |
那個比例低到不行啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].start |
10058.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].end |
10060.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].text |
低到不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].start |
10061.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].end |
10063.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].text |
這是事實啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].start |
10063.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].end |
10065.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].text |
這我們都有去聊過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].start |
10065.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].end |
10067.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].text |
我們之後再釐清一下就是說這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
10067.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].end |
10069.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].text |
我們現在擔心的事情是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
10069.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].end |
10071.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].text |
我們現在要求的這邊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].start |
10071.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].end |
10073.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].text |
就是說去相關的查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].start |
10073.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].end |
10075.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].text |
跟抽樣的這個行為我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].start |
10075.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].end |
10077.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].text |
剛剛提到他是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].start |
10077.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].end |
10079.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].text |
就是說他必須要是以執法權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
10079.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].end |
10081.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].text |
來做處理啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
10081.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].end |
10083.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].text |
我提供一個訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
10083.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].end |
10085.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].text |
就剛剛從署長所講的公衛師是這一兩年嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].start |
10085.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].end |
10087.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].start |
10087.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
10089.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].text |
事實上我們衛福部面對公衛師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
10089.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].end |
10091.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].text |
面對食品祭司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].start |
10090.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].end |
10092.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].text |
坦白講我們都沒有在用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
10095.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
10097.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
我們就是沒有在用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
10097.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
10099.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
這是實際的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
10100.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
10102.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
10103.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
10105.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
10106.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
10108.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
包括柳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
10108.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
10110.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
就是您的提案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
10110.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
10112.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
是針對公衛師的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
10112.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
10114.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
在這個地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
10114.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
10116.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
能不能夠有更明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
10116.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
10118.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
10118.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
10120.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
整個食安的把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
10120.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
10122.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
因為四十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
10122.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
10124.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
其實還有各個不同的面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
10124.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
10126.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].text |
剛剛也經過蠻多的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
10126.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
10128.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].text |
內容還需要有更完整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
10128.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
10130.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
帕書 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
10130.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
10132.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
所以我們是不是這一條先行保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
10132.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
10134.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
到時候也麻煩主管機關再跟柳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
10134.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
10136.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
來做後續處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
10136.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
10138.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
這些內容的參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].start |
10138.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
10140.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].text |
OK啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].start |
10140.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].end |
10142.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].text |
但是我實際想說因為我們整個的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
10142.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
10144.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].text |
這個稽查的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].start |
10144.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].end |
10146.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].text |
坦白講就是不足嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].start |
10146.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].end |
10148.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].text |
不足我們有公衛師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].start |
10148.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].end |
10150.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].text |
我們有食品祭司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].start |
10150.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].end |
10152.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].text |
要不要趁這個機會你去擴大你的查驗能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].start |
10152.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].end |
10154.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].text |
然後至於要怎麼去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].start |
10154.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].end |
10156.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].text |
這樣的一個處理安排 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].start |
10156.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].end |
10158.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].text |
我覺得這個是可以讓大家來討論的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].start |
10158.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].end |
10160.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].text |
但是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].start |
10160.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].end |
10162.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].text |
剛剛署長是回答我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].start |
10162.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].end |
10164.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].text |
就去考啊就去考啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].start |
10164.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].end |
10166.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].text |
我就用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].start |
10166.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].end |
10168.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].text |
講很簡單的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].start |
10167.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].end |
10169.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].text |
某人經報馬上許下承諾啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].start |
10169.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].end |
10171.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].text |
白紙黑字啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].start |
10171.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].end |
10173.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].text |
你要用幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].start |
10173.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].end |
10175.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].text |
我們這41條這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].start |
10175.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].end |
10177.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].text |
其實這一條主要精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].start |
10177.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].end |
10179.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].text |
也是希望這次在釐清中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].start |
10179.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].end |
10181.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].text |
的這個稽查啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].start |
10181.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].end |
10183.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].text |
所以委員現在講的是地方的公衛師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].start |
10183.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].end |
10185.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].text |
不足還是中央的公衛師不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].start |
10185.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].end |
10187.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].text |
我都不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].start |
10187.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].end |
10189.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].text |
因為這條主要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].start |
10189.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].end |
10191.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].text |
因為這邊這一條第三項我們這樣起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].start |
10191.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].end |
10193.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].text |
主要類型查核是地方衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].start |
10193.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].end |
10195.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].text |
我剛剛開座名義就講嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].start |
10195.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].end |
10197.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].text |
我們整體國家的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].start |
10197.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].end |
10199.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].text |
這個查驗的人力扣掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].start |
10199.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].end |
10201.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].text |
邊境的全國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].start |
10201.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].end |
10203.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].text |
中央跟地方就是560幾位而已啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].start |
10204.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].end |
10206.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].text |
對 這邊提我大概了解啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].start |
10206.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].end |
10208.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].text |
整體要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].start |
10208.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].end |
10210.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].text |
整個中央地方整個查驗人力的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].start |
10210.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].end |
10212.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].text |
就是整個的國家原額要給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].start |
10212.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].end |
10214.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].text |
有原額給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].start |
10214.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].end |
10216.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].text |
才公衛師就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].start |
10216.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].end |
10218.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].text |
所以請委員支持我們能夠增加我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].start |
10218.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].end |
10220.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].text |
公衛師的原額 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].start |
10220.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].end |
10222.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].text |
實名技師的原額在查驗上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].start |
10222.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].end |
10224.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].text |
有原額我們一定開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].start |
10224.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].end |
10226.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].text |
問題我沒有原額我就 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].start |
10226.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].end |
10228.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].text |
開不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].start |
10228.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].end |
10230.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].text |
所以我現在想要在這裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].start |
10230.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].end |
10232.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].text |
納入這個跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].start |
10232.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].end |
10234.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].text |
我們的原額其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].start |
10234.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].end |
10236.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].text |
是不一樣的一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].start |
10236.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].end |
10238.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].text |
可不可以從後續跟委員這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].start |
10238.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].end |
10240.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].text |
再進一步再去討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].start |
10240.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].end |
10242.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].text |
因為是另外的一個處理才對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].start |
10242.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].end |
10244.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].text |
如果我們沒有去突破這個原額 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].start |
10244.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].end |
10246.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].text |
基本上修這個法你的人力就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].start |
10246.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].end |
10248.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].text |
局限在這個地方嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].start |
10248.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].end |
10250.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].text |
所以誰去考到公衛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].start |
10250.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].end |
10252.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].text |
誰去考到公衛的實名技師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].start |
10252.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].end |
10254.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].text |
也無濟於事啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].start |
10253.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].end |
10255.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].text |
因為就不增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].start |
10255.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].end |
10257.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].text |
你就不增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].start |
10257.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].end |
10259.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].text |
你面對47萬的實名業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].start |
10259.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].end |
10261.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].text |
你的人力比例就是一定這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].start |
10262.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].end |
10264.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].text |
我的意思是這樣啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].start |
10264.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].end |
10266.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].text |
應該大家聽我的意思對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].start |
10266.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].end |
10268.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].text |
我聽完可以下幾家就改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].start |
10268.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].end |
10270.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].text |
所以你不能說我去考了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].start |
10270.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].end |
10272.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].text |
再說我沒用了你也沒用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].start |
10273.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].end |
10275.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].text |
我們都了解劉委員是希望讓這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].start |
10275.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].end |
10277.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].text |
未來視頻的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].start |
10277.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].end |
10279.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].text |
有更多的專業人員可以來協助把關嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].start |
10279.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].end |
10281.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].text |
好我們再請林書問委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].start |
10286.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].end |
10289.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].text |
好各位我要表示我個人的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].start |
10289.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].end |
10291.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].text |
就是說公衛師、實名技師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].start |
10291.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].end |
10293.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].text |
這是一個問題沒有錯啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].start |
10293.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].end |
10295.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].text |
但是如果實名技師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].start |
10295.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].end |
10297.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].text |
和公衛師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].start |
10297.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].end |
10299.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].text |
他是受雇於誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].start |
10299.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].end |
10301.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].text |
這更重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].start |
10301.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].end |
10303.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].text |
受雇於誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].start |
10303.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].end |
10305.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].text |
那我們這一個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].start |
10305.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].end |
10307.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].text |
把地方主管機關得執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].start |
10307.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].end |
10309.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].text |
改為應執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].start |
10309.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].end |
10311.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].text |
方向上是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].start |
10311.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].end |
10313.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].text |
比較明確沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].start |
10313.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].end |
10315.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].text |
但稽查的次數不是重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].start |
10315.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].end |
10317.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].text |
查核的品質才是實案的防線 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].start |
10317.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].end |
10319.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].text |
我要講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].start |
10319.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].end |
10321.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].text |
地方查核不能只有看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].start |
10321.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].end |
10323.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].text |
有沒有食品安全監測的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].start |
10323.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].end |
10325.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].text |
有沒有HACCP的文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].start |
10325.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].end |
10327.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].text |
檢驗的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].start |
10327.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].end |
10329.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].text |
而是要查這個文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].start |
10329.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].end |
10331.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].text |
是否真的對應現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].start |
10331.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].end |
10333.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].text |
因為中聯有指的這個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].start |
10333.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].end |
10335.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].text |
就是他們都HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].start |
10335.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].end |
10337.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].text |
然後去對應現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].start |
10337.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].end |
10339.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].text |
事實上那個整個數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].start |
10339.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].end |
10341.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].text |
到以前曾經有過的一次專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].start |
10341.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].end |
10343.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].text |
就已經是對應現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].start |
10343.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].end |
10345.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].text |
以前曾經有過的一次專案檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].start |
10345.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].end |
10347.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].text |
對應現場那個數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].start |
10347.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].end |
10349.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].text |
看起來就是大家都發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].start |
10349.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].end |
10351.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].text |
根本都沒有符合現場的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].start |
10353.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].end |
10355.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].text |
紙上的文件跟現場都不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].start |
10357.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].end |
10359.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].text |
然後檢驗報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].start |
10359.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].end |
10361.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].text |
這一些都有沒有落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].start |
10361.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].end |
10363.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].text |
都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].start |
10363.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].end |
10365.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].text |
然後要查文件中是否對應現場才是重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].start |
10365.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].end |
10367.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].text |
那中聯這個案子暴露的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].start |
10367.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].end |
10369.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].text |
還包括他的BAP |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].start |
10369.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].end |
10371.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].text |
沒有納入化學危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].start |
10371.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].end |
10373.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].text |
然後原料驗收的基準放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].start |
10373.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].end |
10375.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].text |
然後原料驗收的基準放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].start |
10375.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].end |
10377.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].text |
製程的參數多次偏離 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].start |
10377.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].end |
10379.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].text |
矯正的措施沒有真正消除異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].start |
10379.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].end |
10381.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].text |
矯正的措施沒有真正消除異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].start |
10381.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].end |
10383.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].text |
採樣的代表性不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].start |
10383.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].end |
10385.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].text |
這個本來都是HACCP制度運作下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].start |
10385.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].end |
10387.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].text |
這個本來都是HACCP制度運作下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].start |
10387.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].end |
10389.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].text |
應該要處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].start |
10389.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].end |
10391.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].text |
可是從中聯有指來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].start |
10391.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].end |
10393.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].text |
可是從中聯有指來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].start |
10393.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].end |
10395.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].text |
天啊!你的HACCP就是了備一格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].start |
10395.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].end |
10397.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].text |
你的HACCP的整個程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].start |
10397.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].end |
10399.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].text |
檢驗的地方政府去看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].start |
10399.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].end |
10401.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].text |
檢驗的地方政府去看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].start |
10402.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].end |
10404.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].text |
根本的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].start |
10404.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].end |
10406.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].text |
有看到沒看,你知道嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].start |
10406.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].end |
10408.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].text |
地方政府去啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].start |
10408.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].end |
10410.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].text |
有看到沒看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].start |
10410.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].end |
10412.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].text |
有什麼意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].start |
10412.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].end |
10414.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].text |
所以這些都變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].start |
10414.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].end |
10416.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].text |
地方查核的重點項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].start |
10416.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].end |
10418.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].text |
可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].start |
10418.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].end |
10420.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].text |
地方政府去看的人到底是看什麼啦? |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].start |
10420.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].end |
10422.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].text |
地方政府去看的人到底是看什麼啦? |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].start |
10422.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].end |
10424.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].text |
我們真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].start |
10424.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].end |
10426.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].text |
有時候屠法不足以自行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].start |
10426.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].end |
10428.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].text |
那執行面出問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].start |
10428.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].end |
10430.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].text |
我們是不是需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].start |
10430.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].end |
10432.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].text |
法治面要直接更明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].start |
10432.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].end |
10434.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].text |
要怎麼樣更明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].start |
10435.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].end |
10437.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].text |
因為你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].start |
10437.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].end |
10439.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].text |
你就是要去查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].start |
10439.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].end |
10441.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].text |
你不得拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].start |
10441.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].end |
10443.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].text |
不得規避、妨礙 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].start |
10443.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].end |
10445.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].text |
要查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].start |
10445.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].end |
10447.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].text |
不可以事先通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].start |
10446.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].end |
10448.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].text |
然後他就去看現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].start |
10448.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].end |
10450.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].text |
現場要看什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].start |
10450.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].end |
10452.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].text |
你的行政部門的指引要不要定得更明確? |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].start |
10452.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].end |
10454.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].text |
你的步驟是不是要更那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].start |
10454.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].end |
10456.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].text |
繼續迷你還會掛我NOE勒? |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].start |
10456.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].end |
10458.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].text |
你的HACCP制度運作下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].start |
10458.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].end |
10460.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].text |
你的HACCP制度運作下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].start |
10460.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].end |
10462.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].text |
你從終點油紙來看就知道破功了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].start |
10462.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].end |
10464.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].text |
你從終點油紙來看就知道破功了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].start |
10465.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].end |
10467.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].text |
HACCP制度是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].start |
10467.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].end |
10469.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].text |
大型大規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].start |
10469.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].end |
10471.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].text |
3000萬以上的這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].start |
10471.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].end |
10473.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].text |
食品廠可能都是勒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].start |
10473.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].end |
10475.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].text |
可是你連這種大規模的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].start |
10475.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].end |
10477.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].text |
油紙廠你進去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].start |
10477.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].end |
10479.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].text |
你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].start |
10479.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].end |
10481.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].text |
他那個HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].start |
10481.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].end |
10483.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].text |
沒有把我剛剛講的通通都 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].start |
10483.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].end |
10485.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].text |
管制起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].start |
10485.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].end |
10487.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].text |
那你這個HACCP到底是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].start |
10488.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].end |
10490.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].text |
我們法律規定要HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].start |
10490.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].end |
10492.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].text |
我們的條文你放進去啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].start |
10493.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].end |
10495.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].text |
可是沒有執行勒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].start |
10495.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].end |
10497.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].text |
然後我再講地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].start |
10497.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].end |
10499.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].text |
應該要有能查閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].start |
10499.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].end |
10501.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].text |
還有交叉比對原料來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].start |
10501.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].end |
10503.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].text |
有嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].start |
10503.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].end |
10505.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].text |
要交叉比對原料來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].start |
10505.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].end |
10507.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].text |
傳的批次統潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].start |
10507.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].end |
10509.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].text |
製程的記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].start |
10509.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].end |
10511.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].text |
COA自主檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].start |
10511.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].end |
10513.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].text |
委外檢驗出貨記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].start |
10513.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].end |
10515.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].text |
客訴及異常處理單 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].start |
10516.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].end |
10518.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].text |
那如果你是查文件是否齊備 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].start |
10518.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].end |
10520.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].text |
不查資料之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].start |
10520.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].end |
10522.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].text |
有沒有出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].start |
10522.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].end |
10524.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].text |
所以才會有中聯油紙事件嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].start |
10524.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].end |
10526.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].text |
你就發現這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].start |
10526.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].end |
10528.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].text |
HACCP就是紙上作文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].start |
10528.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].end |
10530.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].text |
跟立法院很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].start |
10531.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].end |
10533.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].text |
憑藉而不是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].start |
10533.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].end |
10535.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].text |
立委辦公室坐一坐然後交給他們去評 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].start |
10537.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].end |
10539.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].text |
到底是憑什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].start |
10539.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].end |
10541.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].text |
不要講立法院的評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].start |
10541.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].end |
10543.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].text |
醫院的評鑑人家也講這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].start |
10543.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].end |
10545.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].text |
教師的評鑑也是講這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].start |
10545.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].end |
10547.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].text |
大家都比賽作文比賽 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].start |
10548.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].end |
10550.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].text |
所以去查到底要查什麼啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].start |
10551.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].end |
10553.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].text |
真的是你說規定了都放進去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].start |
10553.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].end |
10555.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].text |
可是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].start |
10556.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].end |
10558.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].text |
當BNB發生的時候才發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].start |
10558.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].end |
10560.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].text |
蛤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].start |
10560.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].end |
10562.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].text |
根本都沒有在執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].start |
10562.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].end |
10564.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].text |
那再來就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].start |
10564.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].end |
10566.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].text |
中央就重大或突發性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].start |
10566.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].end |
10568.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].text |
這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].start |
10568.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].end |
10570.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].text |
或其他食品衛生安全風險的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].start |
10570.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].end |
10572.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].text |
得介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].start |
10572.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].end |
10574.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].text |
雖然文正讓他比較有彈性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].start |
10574.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].end |
10576.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].text |
但是你也是應該要明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].start |
10576.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].end |
10578.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].text |
明確中央介入的條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].start |
10578.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].end |
10580.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].text |
還有地方配合的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].start |
10580.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].end |
10582.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].text |
要怎麼樣規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].start |
10582.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].end |
10584.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].text |
尤其是食安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].start |
10584.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].end |
10586.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].text |
已經是很多都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].start |
10588.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].end |
10590.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].text |
跨縣市的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].start |
10590.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].end |
10592.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].text |
跨縣市的在流向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].start |
10592.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].end |
10594.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].text |
他的撲貨啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].start |
10594.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].end |
10596.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].text |
他的生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].start |
10596.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].end |
10598.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].text |
他的平台他的供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].start |
10598.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].end |
10600.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].text |
共同的投資的原料的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].start |
10600.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].end |
10602.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].text |
大型供應鏈的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].start |
10603.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].end |
10605.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].text |
這個中央也是需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].start |
10605.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].end |
10607.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].text |
應該要主動整合資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].start |
10607.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].end |
10609.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].text |
而不是在那裡被動的等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].start |
10609.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].end |
10611.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].text |
地方稽查回報啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].start |
10611.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].end |
10613.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].text |
所以其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].start |
10613.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].end |
10615.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].text |
我覺得很多健行的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].start |
10615.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].end |
10617.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].text |
規範的細節 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].start |
10617.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].end |
10619.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].text |
這個我們這個母法這樣寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].start |
10619.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].end |
10621.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].text |
好像沒有把這個精神放進去的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].start |
10622.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].end |
10624.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].text |
有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].start |
10624.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].end |
10626.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].text |
還會有很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].start |
10626.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].end |
10628.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].text |
我們想像不到的狀況會發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].start |
10628.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].end |
10630.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].text |
最後我想說這個修法後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].start |
10630.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].end |
10632.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].text |
包括我們現在就應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].start |
10632.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].end |
10634.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].text |
要求就要明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].start |
10634.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].end |
10636.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].text |
中央要訂定風險分級的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].start |
10636.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].end |
10638.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].text |
查核指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].start |
10638.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].end |
10640.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].text |
而且要建立追蹤的複查機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].start |
10640.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].end |
10642.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].text |
查到重大缺失時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].start |
10642.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].end |
10644.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].text |
大家現在說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].start |
10644.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].end |
10646.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].text |
限期改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].start |
10646.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].end |
10648.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].text |
最後限期改善給你看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].start |
10648.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].end |
10650.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].text |
看完以後就依然顧我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].start |
10650.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].end |
10652.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].text |
所以我們確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].start |
10652.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].end |
10654.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].text |
他改善措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].start |
10654.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].end |
10656.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].text |
是不是真的能夠確實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].start |
10656.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].end |
10658.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].text |
讓製程回到可控的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].start |
10658.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].end |
10660.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].text |
這個很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].start |
10660.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].end |
10662.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].text |
那其實我個人最後一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].start |
10662.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].end |
10664.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].text |
是我個人覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].start |
10664.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].end |
10666.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].text |
我一直在主張說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].start |
10666.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].end |
10668.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].text |
基本上都還是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].start |
10667.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].end |
10669.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].text |
自律的範疇啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].start |
10670.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].end |
10672.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].text |
除了地方去臨檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].start |
10672.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].end |
10674.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].text |
講的具體一點是一個他律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].start |
10674.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].end |
10676.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].text |
可是我們為什麼不明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].start |
10676.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].end |
10678.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].text |
我們為什麼不在這裡處理一個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].start |
10678.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].end |
10680.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].text |
資訊公開啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].start |
10680.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].end |
10682.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].text |
公開透明全民一起監督啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].start |
10684.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].end |
10686.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].text |
你把HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].start |
10686.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].end |
10688.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].text |
長的就好了不一定要每個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].start |
10688.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].end |
10690.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].text |
食品廠那你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].start |
10690.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].end |
10692.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].text |
風險很大的就 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].start |
10692.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].end |
10694.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].text |
全國寡占市場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].start |
10694.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].end |
10696.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].text |
比如說以油脂為例四斤而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].start |
10696.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].end |
10698.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].text |
全國的油都吃這四斤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].start |
10699.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].end |
10703.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].text |
這四斤你叫他把他的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].start |
10703.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].end |
10707.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].text |
他的管制點設定是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].start |
10707.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].end |
10709.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].text |
那他的驗收的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].start |
10709.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].end |
10711.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].text |
檢驗數據是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].start |
10711.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].end |
10713.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].text |
然後參數通通都上網公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].start |
10715.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].end |
10717.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].text |
我們幫你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].start |
10717.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].end |
10719.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].text |
你這個參數好像比你凌戒指 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].start |
10719.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].end |
10721.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].text |
你這個巴西的原料跟美國原料比較起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].start |
10721.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].end |
10723.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].text |
好像是什麼樣怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].start |
10726.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].end |
10728.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].text |
都不用你政府去查核我們大家一起看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].start |
10729.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].end |
10731.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].text |
但是也曾經也有人會做假啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].start |
10731.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].end |
10735.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].text |
這種網上看上有政策下有對策 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].start |
10735.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].end |
10737.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].text |
道高一尺魔高一丈啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].start |
10737.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].end |
10739.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].text |
以前台塑六輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].start |
10739.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].end |
10741.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].text |
那個SIMS |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].start |
10741.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].end |
10743.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].text |
二十四小時連續監測系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].start |
10743.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].end |
10745.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].text |
他那個排放 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].start |
10746.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].end |
10748.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].text |
結果數據造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].start |
10748.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].end |
10750.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].text |
造假也是被人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].start |
10751.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].end |
10753.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].text |
抓出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].start |
10753.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].end |
10755.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].text |
所以我們是不是也應該要有公開透明的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].start |
10755.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].end |
10757.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].text |
因為我們大家一直在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].start |
10757.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].end |
10759.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].text |
中聯油脂事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].start |
10759.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].end |
10761.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].text |
那我們通電視通通在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].start |
10761.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].end |
10763.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].text |
不能自律啦要改成他律啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].start |
10763.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].end |
10765.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].text |
不是業者自主管理要改成他律啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].start |
10766.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].end |
10768.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].text |
那你怎麼個他律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].start |
10768.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].end |
10770.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].text |
增加一個食品計師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].start |
10770.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].end |
10772.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].text |
簽證就他律了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].start |
10772.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].end |
10774.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].text |
食品計師誰付的薪水 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].start |
10775.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].end |
10777.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].text |
如果是業者付的食品計師的薪水 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].start |
10777.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].end |
10779.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].text |
淋漓業者的薪水 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].start |
10779.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].end |
10781.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].text |
我會給你寫得嚴重嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].start |
10781.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].end |
10783.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].text |
我怎麼嚴格監督啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].start |
10785.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].end |
10787.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].text |
所以我們在講說他律的基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].start |
10787.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].end |
10789.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].text |
就資訊公開透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].start |
10789.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].end |
10791.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].text |
也不是每一個我就講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].start |
10791.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].end |
10793.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].text |
就分級管理風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].start |
10793.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].end |
10795.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].text |
很大的寡占市場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].start |
10797.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].end |
10799.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].text |
我覺得大家都沒有回應到這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].start |
10799.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].end |
10804.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].text |
從中聯油脂事件的質詢到這個修法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].start |
10804.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].end |
10806.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].text |
從頭到尾我都只是講這件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].start |
10806.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].end |
10808.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].text |
如何他律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].start |
10808.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].end |
10810.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].text |
在十二年法修法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].start |
10810.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].end |
10813.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].text |
把這個他律的機制放進來法案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].start |
10814.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].end |
10816.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].text |
大家都沒有人講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].start |
10818.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].end |
10820.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].text |
行政部也要表態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].start |
10820.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].end |
10821.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].text |
這到底要怎麼寫給 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].start |
10821.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].end |
10823.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].text |
你們要想一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].start |
10823.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].end |
10824.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].text |
你們如果想不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].start |
10824.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].end |
10825.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].text |
我就跟你說要求這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].start |
10825.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].end |
10827.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].text |
我要求的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].start |
10827.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].end |
10829.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].text |
HACCP場的都是大廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].start |
10829.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].end |
10831.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].text |
只要是HACCP場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].start |
10831.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].end |
10834.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].text |
你的所有的危害管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].start |
10834.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].end |
10836.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].text |
你的檢驗數據等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].start |
10836.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].end |
10838.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].text |
通通都上網公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].start |
10838.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].end |
10840.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].text |
大家沒有人反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].start |
10840.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].end |
10842.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].text |
我們就把它當作是立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].start |
10842.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].end |
10844.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].text |
我們今天委員會審查的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].start |
10844.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].end |
10846.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].text |
叫他們回去朝你朝案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].start |
10847.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].end |
10849.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].text |
下一次拿上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].start |
10849.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].end |
10851.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].text |
我個人是這樣子堅持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].start |
10851.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].end |
10853.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].text |
請問各位同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].start |
10853.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].end |
10854.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].text |
有沒有其他意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].start |
10854.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].end |
10856.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].text |
沒有就是我們的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].start |
10856.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].end |
10858.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].text |
從自律改成他律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].start |
10858.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].end |
10859.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].start |
10859.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].end |
10860.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].start |
10860.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].end |
10863.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].text |
所以仔細看起來41之1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].start |
10863.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].end |
10865.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].text |
好像很多很分歧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].start |
10865.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].end |
10867.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].text |
是不是就保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].start |
10867.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].end |
10868.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].text |
不過我們還是先請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].start |
10868.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].end |
10870.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].text |
衛福部先做個初步回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].start |
10874.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].end |
10876.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].text |
首先謝謝委員的指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].start |
10876.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].end |
10879.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].text |
我們針對第41條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].start |
10879.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].end |
10881.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].text |
我們的第一項其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].start |
10881.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].end |
10883.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].text |
特別剛才委員特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].start |
10883.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].end |
10889.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].text |
自主的第一級的評管裡面的自律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].start |
10889.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].end |
10891.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].text |
所謂自主檢驗的公共化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].start |
10891.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].end |
10893.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].text |
自律的公共化的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].start |
10893.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].end |
10895.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].text |
上次委員有特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].start |
10895.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].end |
10897.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].text |
那我們對於HACCP裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].start |
10897.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].end |
10900.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].text |
原先的得執行下列措施的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].start |
10900.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].end |
10902.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].text |
我們其實做了修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].start |
10902.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].end |
10903.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].text |
不管在行政院版 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].start |
10903.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].end |
10905.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].text |
以及委員的版本裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].start |
10905.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].end |
10907.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].text |
我們把它修正成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].start |
10907.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].end |
10910.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].text |
因辦理下列措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].start |
10910.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].end |
10912.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].text |
然後業者因配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].start |
10912.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].end |
10915.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].text |
不得規避妨害或拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].start |
10915.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].end |
10917.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].text |
所以這裡面就會有因 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].start |
10917.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].end |
10920.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].text |
因裡面我們再搭配我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].start |
10920.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].end |
10923.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].text |
在先前在第7條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].start |
10923.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].end |
10926.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].text |
對於食品安全監測的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].start |
10926.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].end |
10928.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].text |
也有因經專業的簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].start |
10928.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].end |
10930.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].text |
我想因經專業簽證裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].start |
10930.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].end |
10932.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].text |
簽證的內涵內容其實在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].start |
10932.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].end |
10935.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].text |
後續我們的食品業者查驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].start |
10935.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].end |
10938.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].text |
相關的實施措施的辦法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].start |
10938.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].end |
10940.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].text |
可以去定義每一個產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].start |
10940.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].end |
10942.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].text |
其實它是高度專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].start |
10942.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].end |
10946.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].text |
裡面的關鍵性的節點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].start |
10947.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].end |
10949.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].text |
它的風險點HARA |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].start |
10949.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].end |
10951.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].text |
HARA的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].start |
10951.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].end |
10953.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].text |
危險點能夠確立下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].start |
10953.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].end |
10955.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].text |
由專業簽證確立之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].start |
10955.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].end |
10957.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].text |
按照這個樣子的簽證的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].start |
10959.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].end |
10961.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].text |
因執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].start |
10961.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].end |
10963.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].text |
所以在這兩個部分的搭配之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].start |
10963.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].end |
10967.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].text |
希望能夠達成委員的期待的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].start |
10967.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].end |
10969.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].text |
那我們也對於剛才提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].start |
10969.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].end |
10971.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].text |
是否要做到所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].start |
10971.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].end |
10974.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].text |
所有的資訊的公開 |
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10974.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].end |
10976.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].text |
我想關鍵性的節點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].start |
10976.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].end |
10978.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].text |
是說涉及業秘密的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].start |
10978.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].end |
10980.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].text |
但是另外一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].start |
10980.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].end |
10982.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].text |
但是關鍵的食品安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].start |
10982.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].end |
10984.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].text |
風險的節點的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].start |
10984.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].end |
10986.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].text |
我們會在這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].start |
10986.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].end |
10988.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].text |
在HACCP裡面的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].start |
10988.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].end |
10990.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].text |
能夠達到這樣的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].start |
10990.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].end |
10993.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].text |
而符合能夠保障全國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].start |
10993.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].end |
10995.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].text |
食品安全的一個前提 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].start |
10995.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].end |
10997.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].text |
這邊做一些說明跟補充 以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].start |
10998.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].end |
10999.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].text |
好 那 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].start |
10999.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].end |
11001.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].text |
你剛剛講這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].start |
11001.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].end |
11003.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].text |
到底有沒有要公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].start |
11003.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].end |
11005.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].text |
檢驗數據要不要公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].start |
11006.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].end |
11008.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].text |
關鍵性的節點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].start |
11008.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].end |
11010.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].text |
你的管制的節點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].start |
11010.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].end |
11011.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].text |
你都要公開了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].start |
11011.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].end |
11013.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].text |
那那個節點的數據不用公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].start |
11013.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].end |
11015.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].text |
那我們只知道你管制這個 |
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11015.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].end |
11016.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].text |
我又不知道你數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].start |
11016.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].end |
11017.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].text |
對 我剛才提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].start |
11017.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].end |
11018.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].text |
那個資訊是公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].start |
11018.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].end |
11020.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].text |
我們希望在未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].start |
11020.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].end |
11022.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].text |
這關鍵性的數字公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].start |
11022.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].end |
11025.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].text |
我想是對於食品安全的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].start |
11025.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].end |
11027.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].text |
能夠達到對大的涵蓋 以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].start |
11027.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].end |
11029.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].text |
它那個HACCP裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].start |
11029.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].end |
11031.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].text |
沒有什麼營業秘密 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].start |
11031.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].end |
11033.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].text |
但是它的專業簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].start |
11033.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].end |
11034.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].text |
專業簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].start |
11034.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].end |
11036.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].text |
它付費去請專業的技師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].start |
11036.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].end |
11038.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].text |
來幫它管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].start |
11038.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].end |
11040.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].text |
做一個簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].start |
11040.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].end |
11042.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].text |
我們在第七條這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].start |
11042.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].end |
11045.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].text |
我們這次要修的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].start |
11045.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].end |
11047.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].text |
以上剛委員講的寡占 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].start |
11047.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].end |
11048.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].text |
或者是特定的業者 |
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11048.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].end |
11050.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].text |
所以在第七條第一項的文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].start |
11050.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].end |
11052.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].text |
我們上次在草擬這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].start |
11052.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].end |
11053.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].text |
上次在大家討論這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].start |
11053.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].end |
11055.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].text |
有符合一定類別及規模者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].start |
11055.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].end |
11057.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].text |
其食品安全監測計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].start |
11057.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].end |
11059.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].text |
應經專業簽證後報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].start |
11059.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].end |
11060.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].text |
中央主管機關核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].start |
11060.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].end |
11062.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].text |
所以這樣的話就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].start |
11062.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].end |
11064.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].text |
它的這個專業簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].start |
11064.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].end |
11065.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].text |
所以我就是在講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].start |
11065.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].end |
11066.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].text |
你這個就跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].start |
11067.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].end |
11070.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].text |
水保計畫 環評計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].start |
11070.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].end |
11071.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].text |
業者要提的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].start |
11071.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].end |
11073.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].text |
也是去業者付錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].start |
11073.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].end |
11075.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].text |
請技師幫他們提 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].start |
11075.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].end |
11077.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].text |
那我的意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].start |
11077.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].end |
11079.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].text |
其實錢都是業者付的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].start |
11079.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].end |
11081.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].text |
大家都領業者的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].start |
11081.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].end |
11082.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].text |
所以我們在講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].start |
11082.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].end |
11084.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].text |
這一個東西我們了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].start |
11084.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].end |
11087.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].text |
但是劉建國講的公衛師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].start |
11087.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].end |
11089.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].text |
是不一樣的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].start |
11089.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].end |
11092.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].text |
這個公衛師的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].start |
11092.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].end |
11093.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].text |
跟食品技師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].start |
11093.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].end |
11097.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].text |
食品技師是拿這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].start |
11097.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].end |
11099.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].text |
業者的錢 幫業者簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].start |
11099.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].end |
11101.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].text |
或是幫他寫報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].start |
11101.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].end |
11104.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].text |
那公衛師大家想像的可能是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].start |
11104.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].end |
11107.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].text |
地方政府要配置公衛師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].start |
11107.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].end |
11111.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].text |
然後針對他們這個風險要把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].start |
11111.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].end |
11113.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].text |
不是你技師一關而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].start |
11113.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].end |
11115.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].text |
因為技師有道德風險嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].start |
11115.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].end |
11117.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].text |
我領你業者的錢嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].start |
11117.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].end |
11118.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].text |
那公衛師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].start |
11120.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].end |
11123.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].text |
他是公部門的 委託的 公會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].start |
11123.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].end |
11125.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].text |
那他就逐一來審查這個風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].start |
11125.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].end |
11127.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].text |
公衛師也是做風險評估的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].start |
11127.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].end |
11130.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].text |
所以他可以幫忙你這個技師簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].start |
11130.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].end |
11132.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].text |
你的管制點 關鍵的節點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].start |
11132.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].end |
11134.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].text |
設定的當與不當 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].start |
11134.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].end |
11136.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].text |
你每一個製程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].start |
11136.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].end |
11138.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].text |
你應該還要加強什麼管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].start |
11138.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].end |
11140.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].text |
所以公衛師的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].start |
11140.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].end |
11142.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].text |
他不領你業者的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].start |
11142.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].end |
11144.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].text |
這樣子 這樣是相輔相成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].start |
11144.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].end |
11146.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].text |
這樣子可能也是比較好的吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].start |
11151.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].end |
11154.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].text |
四十一條跟四十一 只一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].start |
11154.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].end |
11156.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].text |
我們都先行保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].start |
11156.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].end |
11158.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].text |
那也請行政部門回去研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].start |
11159.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].end |
11161.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].text |
主席我剛剛口誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].start |
11161.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].end |
11163.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].text |
我是四十一條保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].start |
11163.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].end |
11165.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].text |
因為我們還沒到四十一 只一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].start |
11165.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].end |
11167.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].text |
不好意思 四十一條保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].start |
11167.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].end |
11169.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].text |
所以我們現在下面要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].start |
11169.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].end |
11171.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].text |
那個進行四十一 只一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].start |
11171.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].end |
11173.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].text |
因為剛是在四十一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].start |
11173.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].end |
11175.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].text |
好 那重新確認一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].start |
11175.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].end |
11177.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].text |
我們四十一條先行保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].start |
11177.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].end |
11179.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].text |
也請行政部門回去研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].start |
11179.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].end |
11183.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].text |
並回應委員們所提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].start |
11183.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].end |
11185.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].text |
這些建議事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].start |
11186.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].end |
11189.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].text |
那我們繼續審四十一條 只一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].start |
11191.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].end |
11194.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].text |
好 針對第四十條 只一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].start |
11194.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].end |
11196.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].text |
剛才我們針對四十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].start |
11196.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].end |
11198.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].text |
有討論過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].start |
11198.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].end |
11200.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].text |
王立民 王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].start |
11200.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].end |
11202.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].text |
與民眾黨黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].start |
11202.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].end |
11204.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].text |
以及賴世保 賴委員有提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].start |
11204.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].end |
11206.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].text |
先就王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].start |
11206.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].end |
11208.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].text |
說明在四十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].start |
11208.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].end |
11210.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].text |
只一的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].start |
11210.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].end |
11212.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].text |
那是由現行的四十一條的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].start |
11212.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].end |
11214.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].text |
移列 原則上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].start |
11214.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].end |
11216.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].text |
維持的原有架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].start |
11216.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].end |
11218.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].text |
另外新增的第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].start |
11218.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].end |
11220.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].text |
要求地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].start |
11220.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].end |
11223.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].text |
訂定年度的查核計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].start |
11223.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].end |
11227.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].text |
並採不定期不預先通知查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].start |
11227.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].end |
11228.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].text |
等事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].start |
11228.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].end |
11230.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].text |
其提案一指 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].start |
11230.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].end |
11233.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].text |
我們在第四十一條的第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].start |
11233.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].end |
11235.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].text |
及第二項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].start |
11235.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].end |
11237.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].text |
我們已經把它採納了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].start |
11237.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].end |
11239.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].text |
另外提案新增的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].start |
11239.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].end |
11242.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].text |
我們的第四項要求採書面處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].start |
11243.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].end |
11246.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].text |
定期重新審查及延長管制期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].start |
11246.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].end |
11248.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].text |
等程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].start |
11248.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].end |
11250.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].text |
該等規定將增加地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].start |
11250.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].end |
11252.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].text |
主管機關行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].start |
11252.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].end |
11254.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].text |
作業的負荷 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].start |
11254.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].end |
11256.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].text |
以考量整個地方執行的量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].start |
11256.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].end |
11258.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].text |
行政成本審慎的研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].start |
11258.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].end |
11260.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].text |
那有關於民眾黨這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].start |
11260.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].end |
11262.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].text |
特別提案有關中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].start |
11262.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].end |
11264.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].text |
主管機關應依食品風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].start |
11264.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].end |
11266.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].text |
公告各類食品抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].start |
11266.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].end |
11268.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].text |
頻率等事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].start |
11268.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].end |
11270.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].text |
那我們建議條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].start |
11270.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].end |
11273.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].text |
我們建議條文第四十一條第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].start |
11273.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].end |
11276.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].text |
這個部分已經規範在我們中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].start |
11276.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].end |
11280.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].text |
得依據食品安全及風險評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].start |
11280.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].end |
11283.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].text |
等資訊訂定的專案計畫裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].start |
11283.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].end |
11285.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].text |
這邊也做進一步的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].start |
11285.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].end |
11287.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].text |
另外就是有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].start |
11287.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].end |
11289.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].text |
賴委員提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].start |
11289.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].end |
11291.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].text |
也是國民黨黨團及部分委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].start |
11291.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].end |
11294.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].text |
在修正條文第四十二條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].start |
11294.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].end |
11296.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].text |
已經有類似的相關提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].start |
11296.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].end |
11298.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].text |
賴委員特別提案到第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].start |
11298.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].end |
11300.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].text |
主管機關具體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].start |
11300.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].end |
11302.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].text |
適時足證食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].start |
11302.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].end |
11305.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].text |
等有違法或危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].start |
11305.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].end |
11309.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].text |
衛生安全至於得命業者暫停製造販售 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].start |
11309.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].end |
11310.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].text |
等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].start |
11310.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].end |
11313.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].text |
以及第二項下架的規範原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].start |
11313.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].end |
11317.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].text |
我們建議條文第四十一條第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].start |
11317.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].end |
11319.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].text |
以及第二條授權的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].start |
11319.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].end |
11321.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].text |
已經有相關的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].start |
11321.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].end |
11323.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].text |
提案裡面的第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].start |
11323.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].end |
11325.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].text |
要求主管機關與預防措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].start |
11325.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].end |
11327.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].text |
七十二小時內完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].start |
11327.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].end |
11329.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].text |
一定的復驗的一節 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].start |
11329.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].end |
11332.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].text |
因為考量整個案件的規模批次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].start |
11332.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].end |
11335.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].text |
以及檢驗各個所需要時間的複雜程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].start |
11335.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].end |
11337.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].text |
的確真的是不一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].start |
11337.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].end |
11339.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].text |
所以部分的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].start |
11339.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].end |
11341.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].text |
需要經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].start |
11341.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].end |
11343.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].text |
有細菌的培養 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].start |
11343.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].end |
11345.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].text |
有些培養的難培養的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].start |
11345.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].end |
11347.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].text |
甚至兩個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].start |
11347.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].end |
11349.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].text |
所以在七十二小時之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].start |
11349.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].end |
11351.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].text |
也需要一些特殊儀器程序等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].start |
11351.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].end |
11353.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].text |
未必能夠七十二小時能夠完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].start |
11353.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].end |
11355.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].start |
11355.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].end |
11356.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].text |
此外呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].start |
11356.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].end |
11358.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].text |
食品安全的風險確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].start |
11358.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].end |
11360.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].text |
能夠需要綜合考量結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].start |
11360.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].end |
11362.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].text |
原料來源整個整等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].start |
11362.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].end |
11364.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].text |
非僅能夠透過整個官方的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].start |
11364.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].end |
11366.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].text |
復驗的判定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].start |
11366.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].end |
11368.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].text |
所以如果我在母法門一律要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].start |
11368.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].end |
11370.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].text |
主管機關採取預防性措施後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].start |
11370.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].end |
11372.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].text |
完成官方復驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].start |
11372.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].end |
11374.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].text |
且明定一級期限恐無法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].start |
11374.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].end |
11376.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].text |
充分考量不同案件的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].start |
11376.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].end |
11378.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].text |
風險的特性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].start |
11378.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].end |
11380.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].text |
調查的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].start |
11380.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].end |
11382.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].text |
可能使主管機關受限於法定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].start |
11382.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].end |
11384.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].text |
實現難以依靠個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].start |
11384.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].end |
11386.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].text |
情形妥適的安排檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].start |
11386.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].end |
11388.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].text |
調查以及風險的評估等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].start |
11390.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].end |
11392.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].text |
原不明明定一致性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].start |
11392.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].end |
11394.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].text |
至官方復驗醫務的期限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].start |
11394.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].end |
11396.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].text |
在第四項裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].start |
11396.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].end |
11398.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].text |
代表人裡面規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].start |
11398.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].end |
11400.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].text |
經評估或復驗確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].start |
11400.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].end |
11402.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].text |
符合規定且無 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].start |
11402.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].end |
11404.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].text |
危害衛生安全之予以者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].start |
11404.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].end |
11406.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].text |
應立即解除預防性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].start |
11406.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].end |
11408.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].text |
措施並不得公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].start |
11408.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].end |
11410.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].text |
尚未證實是業者身分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].start |
11410.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].end |
11412.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].text |
及產品資訊一級 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].start |
11412.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].end |
11414.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].text |
建議條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].start |
11415.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].end |
11417.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].text |
建議條文第四十二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].start |
11417.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].end |
11419.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].text |
以授權中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].start |
11419.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].end |
11423.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].text |
訂定違規下架的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].start |
11423.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].end |
11425.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].text |
預防性下架範圍等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].start |
11425.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].end |
11427.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].text |
所以至於業者身分產品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].start |
11427.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].end |
11429.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].text |
亂世或異議保密 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].start |
11429.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].end |
11431.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].text |
仍應橫著整個食品安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].start |
11431.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].end |
11433.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].text |
風險跟消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].start |
11433.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].end |
11435.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].text |
知情權等個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].start |
11435.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].end |
11437.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].text |
來予以判定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].start |
11437.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].end |
11439.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].text |
至於提到第五項裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].start |
11439.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].end |
11441.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].text |
應採取預防性措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].start |
11441.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].end |
11443.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].text |
而受有特別犧牲且無可規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].start |
11443.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].end |
11445.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].text |
業者事由者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].start |
11445.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].end |
11447.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].text |
應得請求合理補償一節 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].start |
11447.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].end |
11449.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].text |
建議條文在我們後面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].start |
11449.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].end |
11451.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].text |
也會有在56條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].start |
11451.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].end |
11453.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].text |
增訂食品安全保護基金得補償 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].start |
11453.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].end |
11455.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].text |
依指揮中心指示或 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].start |
11455.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].end |
11457.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].text |
中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].start |
11457.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].end |
11459.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].text |
依第四條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].start |
11459.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].end |
11461.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].text |
第二款規定下架之 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].start |
11461.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].end |
11463.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].text |
公告之下架之非違規產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].start |
11463.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].end |
11465.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].text |
業者相關費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].start |
11465.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].end |
11467.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].text |
因此以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].start |
11467.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].end |
11469.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].text |
建議是不予增訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].start |
11469.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].end |
11471.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].start |
11470.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].end |
11472.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].start |
11472.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].end |
11474.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].text |
來就由原請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].start |
11494.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].end |
11496.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].text |
呃41條之一的第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].start |
11496.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].end |
11498.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].text |
就是要公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].start |
11498.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].end |
11500.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].text |
公告各類食品最低抽菸的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].start |
11500.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].end |
11502.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].text |
頻率跟比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].start |
11502.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].end |
11504.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].text |
我想是這次中原有指 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].start |
11504.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].end |
11506.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].text |
四件最主要的重中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].start |
11506.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].end |
11508.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].text |
重的焦點就是在這個抽菸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].start |
11508.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].end |
11510.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].text |
的確實執行方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].start |
11510.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].end |
11512.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].text |
那中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].start |
11512.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].end |
11514.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].text |
除了應該要做這樣的公告之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].start |
11514.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].end |
11516.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].text |
那他把規則訂定出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].start |
11516.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].end |
11518.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].text |
之後他應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].start |
11518.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].end |
11520.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].text |
要督導各級的主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].start |
11520.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].end |
11522.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].text |
機關去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].start |
11522.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].end |
11524.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].text |
這是我們第一項所主張的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].start |
11524.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].end |
11526.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].text |
那第二項呢既然 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].start |
11526.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].end |
11528.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].text |
我們公告了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].start |
11528.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].end |
11530.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].text |
我們主張公告最低的抽菸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].start |
11530.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].end |
11532.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].text |
頻率跟比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].start |
11532.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].end |
11534.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].text |
那也要督導地方政府去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].start |
11534.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].end |
11536.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].text |
那執行的結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].start |
11536.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].end |
11538.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].text |
我們在第二項呢就有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].start |
11538.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].end |
11540.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].text |
一個規範也就是中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].start |
11540.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].end |
11542.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].text |
應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].start |
11541.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].end |
11543.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].text |
在美季在網站公開各類食品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].start |
11543.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].end |
11545.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].text |
抽菸的建樹 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].start |
11545.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].end |
11547.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].text |
其實就是一個結果的公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].start |
11547.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].end |
11549.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].text |
不合格率抽菸的密度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].start |
11549.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].end |
11551.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].text |
還有各品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].start |
11551.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].end |
11553.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].text |
歷年的違規紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].start |
11553.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].end |
11555.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].text |
那我想我們這樣制定的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].start |
11555.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].end |
11557.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].text |
其實就是要保障民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].start |
11557.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].end |
11559.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].text |
的一個知情權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].start |
11559.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].end |
11561.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].text |
那剛剛署長似乎有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].start |
11561.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].end |
11563.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].text |
四十一條第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].start |
11563.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].end |
11565.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].text |
有類似的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].start |
11565.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].end |
11567.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].text |
但是我翻找了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].start |
11567.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].end |
11569.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].text |
我覺得還是跟我們的意旨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].start |
11569.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].end |
11571.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].text |
跟精神有一些落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].start |
11571.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].end |
11573.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].text |
那好像有提到一個專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].start |
11573.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].end |
11575.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].text |
有規定那專案畢竟是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].start |
11575.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].end |
11577.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].text |
執法那我們覺得這件事是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].start |
11577.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].end |
11579.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].text |
重中之重所以如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].start |
11579.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].end |
11581.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].text |
縱使為福布現行的執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].start |
11581.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].end |
11583.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].text |
有那我們認為應該把它提升到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].start |
11583.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].end |
11585.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].text |
法律的慰藉才能夠彰顯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].start |
11585.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].end |
11587.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].text |
我們對這件事的重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].start |
11587.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].end |
11589.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].text |
也才能夠提升他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].start |
11589.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].end |
11591.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].text |
法律效力以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].start |
11591.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].end |
11593.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].start |
11593.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].end |
11595.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].text |
好請問還有沒有其他委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].start |
11595.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].end |
11597.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].start |
11597.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].end |
11599.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].text |
這位委員請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].start |
11601.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].end |
11603.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].start |
11603.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].end |
11605.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].text |
那本席認為在台灣歷經這麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].start |
11605.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].end |
11607.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].text |
多次的食安風暴以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].start |
11607.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].end |
11609.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].text |
其實民眾對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].start |
11609.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].end |
11611.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].text |
食安稽查的不信任感 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].start |
11611.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].end |
11613.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].text |
一直在增加在食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].start |
11613.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].end |
11615.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].text |
產業中存在著極度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].start |
11615.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].end |
11617.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].text |
嚴重的資訊不對稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].start |
11617.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].end |
11619.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].text |
消費者永遠處在弱勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].start |
11619.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].end |
11621.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].text |
我們吃進肚子的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].start |
11621.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].end |
11623.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].text |
符不符合為福布設定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].start |
11623.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].end |
11625.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].text |
安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].start |
11625.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].end |
11627.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].text |
其實只能仰賴政府的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].start |
11627.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].end |
11629.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].text |
稽查我們才會知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].start |
11629.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].end |
11631.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].text |
此次美季在網站 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].start |
11631.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].end |
11633.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].text |
公開各類食品的抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].start |
11633.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].end |
11635.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].text |
件數不合格率 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].start |
11635.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].end |
11637.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].text |
抽驗密度及各品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].start |
11637.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].end |
11639.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].text |
歷年的違規紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].start |
11639.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].end |
11641.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].text |
這些資訊是有必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].start |
11641.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].end |
11643.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].text |
除了可以確保政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].start |
11643.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].end |
11645.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].text |
有落實每一次的稽查之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].start |
11645.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].end |
11647.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].text |
更可以讓業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].start |
11647.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].end |
11649.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].text |
可以善盡自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].start |
11649.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].end |
11651.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].text |
的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].start |
11653.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].end |
11655.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].text |
好 那是不是也麻煩 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].start |
11655.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].end |
11657.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].text |
微博這邊回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].start |
11657.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].end |
11659.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].text |
誒 慢著 程序問題我會問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].start |
11659.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].end |
11661.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].text |
我們是不是41之1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].start |
11661.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].end |
11663.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].text |
42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].start |
11663.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].end |
11665.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].text |
42之2我看其他委員好像都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].start |
11665.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].end |
11667.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].text |
同一個範疇 同一個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].start |
11667.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].end |
11669.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].text |
應該要合併討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].start |
11671.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].end |
11673.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].text |
就是說我看這個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].start |
11673.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].end |
11675.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].text |
民眾條文41之1可能是別人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].start |
11675.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].end |
11677.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].text |
42啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].start |
11677.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].end |
11679.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].text |
還有其他委員42條之1之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].start |
11679.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].end |
11681.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].text |
好像也都是在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].start |
11681.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].end |
11683.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].text |
這個概念啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].start |
11683.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].end |
11685.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].text |
就是在談說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].start |
11685.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].end |
11687.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].text |
檢驗 管制 下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].start |
11687.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].end |
11689.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].text |
查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].start |
11689.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].end |
11691.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].text |
這種都混在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].start |
11691.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].end |
11693.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].text |
我們是不是可以合併討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].start |
11693.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].end |
11695.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].text |
合併讓我這樣決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].start |
11695.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].end |
11697.09 |
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就是說剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].start |
11697.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].end |
11699.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].text |
已經有委員有先提問嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].start |
11699.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].end |
11701.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].text |
那我們就說明以後我們再來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].start |
11701.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].end |
11703.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].text |
這個41之2之3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].start |
11703.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].end |
11705.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].text |
這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].start |
11705.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].end |
11707.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].text |
這個內容好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].start |
11707.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].end |
11709.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].text |
好 OK |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].start |
11709.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].end |
11711.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].text |
先說明一下 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].start |
11711.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].end |
11713.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].text |
謝謝我先說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].start |
11713.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].end |
11715.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].text |
謝謝委員 也像剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].start |
11715.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].end |
11717.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].text |
除非委員提到 因為委員這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].start |
11717.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].end |
11719.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].text |
他閃在41 41之1 42之 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].start |
11720.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].end |
11722.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].text |
42條之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].start |
11722.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].end |
11724.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].text |
那41條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].start |
11724.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].end |
11726.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].text |
質疑這邊台灣民眾黨黨團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].start |
11726.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].end |
11728.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].text |
案的這個部分其實回過頭來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].start |
11728.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].end |
11730.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].text |
我們為什麼要在41條去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].start |
11730.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].end |
11732.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].text |
在第二項跟第三項分別 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].start |
11732.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].end |
11734.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].text |
就中央主管機關跟地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].start |
11734.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].end |
11736.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].text |
他在食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].start |
11736.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].end |
11738.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].text |
這個相關的抽驗頻率 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].start |
11738.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].end |
11740.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].text |
以及他的這個標準跟他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].start |
11740.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].end |
11742.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].text |
這個權限為什麼要寫在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].start |
11742.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].end |
11744.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].text |
就是剛剛提到地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].start |
11744.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].end |
11746.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].text |
他對於他地方的產品特性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].start |
11746.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].end |
11748.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].text |
或者是他的一些特定的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].start |
11749.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].end |
11751.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].text |
或者是重大的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].start |
11751.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].end |
11753.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].text |
那依他的這些食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].start |
11753.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].end |
11755.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].text |
衛生安全的風險 那訂定年度的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].start |
11755.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].end |
11757.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].text |
稽查來辦理相關的抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].start |
11757.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].end |
11759.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].text |
這個是我們尊重地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].start |
11759.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].end |
11761.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].text |
他應該要基於他地方特性跟權責 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].start |
11761.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].end |
11763.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].text |
那中央主管機關這邊的權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].start |
11763.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].end |
11765.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].text |
就重大突發性的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].start |
11765.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].end |
11767.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].text |
那我們來做這樣子相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].start |
11767.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].end |
11769.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].text |
措施 那主要我相信也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].start |
11769.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].end |
11771.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].text |
符合這一次大家提到中央跟地方對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].start |
11771.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].end |
11773.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].text |
查驗的權限的差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].start |
11773.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].end |
11775.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].text |
以及是不是能夠在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].start |
11775.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].end |
11777.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].text |
中央跟地方分別來落實食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].start |
11777.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].end |
11779.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].text |
的這樣子的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].start |
11779.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].end |
11781.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].text |
地方主管機關他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].start |
11781.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].end |
11783.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].text |
其實我們過去當然因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].start |
11783.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].end |
11785.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].text |
過去沒有這樣子的明確的分界 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].start |
11785.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].end |
11787.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].text |
所以我們有一些依照我們的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].start |
11787.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].end |
11789.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].text |
我們會有一些年度的專案來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].start |
11789.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].end |
11791.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].text |
地方主管機關 但是專案協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].start |
11791.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].end |
11793.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].text |
地方主管機關並不代表地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].start |
11793.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].end |
11795.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].text |
他就只由中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].start |
11795.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].end |
11797.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].text |
主管機關的專案來做這些檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].start |
11797.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].end |
11799.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].text |
所以我們這次41條把兩邊拆開來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].start |
11799.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].end |
11801.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].text |
寫清楚地方的權限中央的權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].start |
11801.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].end |
11803.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].text |
那至於說民眾黨黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].start |
11803.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].end |
11805.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].text |
提案說中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].start |
11805.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].end |
11807.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].text |
要公告各類食品最低抽驗頻率 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].start |
11807.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].end |
11809.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].start |
11809.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].end |
11811.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].text |
因為食品的種類非常的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].start |
11811.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].end |
11813.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].text |
那有些縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].start |
11813.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].end |
11815.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].text |
有這個產品有些可能沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].start |
11815.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].end |
11817.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].text |
這間工廠所以我們來公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].start |
11817.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].end |
11819.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].text |
這個部分可能就是會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].start |
11819.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].end |
11821.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].text |
跟前面41條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].start |
11821.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].end |
11823.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].text |
我們把中央跟地方分別 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].start |
11823.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].end |
11825.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].text |
就他的這個業務上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].start |
11825.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].end |
11827.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].text |
的需求來做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].start |
11827.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].end |
11829.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].text |
會有一點點衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].start |
11829.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].end |
11831.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].text |
第二個部分就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].start |
11831.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].end |
11833.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].text |
地方主管機關他的抽驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].start |
11833.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].end |
11835.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].text |
建樹不合格率等等其實我們過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].start |
11835.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].end |
11837.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].text |
也會看到地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].start |
11837.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].end |
11839.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].text |
都會為了要讓民眾對於食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].start |
11839.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].end |
11841.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].text |
這邊的這個信心或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].start |
11841.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].end |
11843.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].text |
了解那在特定的季節 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].start |
11843.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].end |
11845.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].text |
特定的這個食品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].start |
11845.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].end |
11847.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].text |
種類等等他們也會有相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].start |
11847.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].end |
11849.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].text |
公開或者是新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].start |
11849.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].end |
11851.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].text |
那至於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].start |
11851.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].end |
11853.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].text |
這邊中央主管機關來公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].start |
11853.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].end |
11855.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].text |
各縣市政府對於各類 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].start |
11855.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].end |
11857.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].text |
食品的抽驗建樹不合格率 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].start |
11857.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].end |
11859.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].text |
就像我剛剛提到的因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].start |
11859.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].end |
11861.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].text |
對民眾來講他不見得知道哪些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].start |
11861.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].end |
11863.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].text |
哪些業哪些特定的產業是在哪些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].start |
11863.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].end |
11865.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].text |
特定的縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].start |
11865.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].end |
11867.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].text |
那第一個就擔心說這個部分會產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].start |
11867.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].end |
11869.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].text |
一些誤解那比方說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].start |
11869.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].end |
11871.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].text |
我這個縣市可能完全沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].start |
11871.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].end |
11873.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].text |
有油廠可是你要我公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].start |
11873.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].end |
11875.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].text |
我驗了多少間油廠我就是零可是我沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].start |
11875.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].end |
11877.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].text |
有廠那第二個事情就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].start |
11877.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].end |
11879.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].text |
在這個過程其實對於地方主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].start |
11879.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].end |
11881.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].text |
機關進行這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].start |
11881.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].end |
11883.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].text |
食安的這個食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].start |
11883.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].end |
11885.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].text |
的檢驗措施以及他的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].start |
11885.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].end |
11887.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].text |
稽查的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].start |
11887.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].end |
11889.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].text |
效能或者是稽查的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].start |
11889.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].end |
11891.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].text |
工作做得好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].start |
11891.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].end |
11893.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].text |
我想他主要能夠有更強的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].start |
11893.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].end |
11895.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].text |
監督在民主法制之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].start |
11895.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].end |
11897.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].text |
應該是地方的議員地方民意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].start |
11897.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].end |
11899.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].text |
代表對於地方主管機關做這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].start |
11899.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].end |
11901.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].text |
權限就像我們現在接受我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].start |
11901.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].end |
11903.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].text |
立法院對於我們的監督我想是地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].start |
11903.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].end |
11905.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].text |
自治跟中央的相關的法規不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].start |
11905.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].end |
11907.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].text |
的層級這邊大概在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].start |
11907.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].end |
11909.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].text |
這個部分做個補充謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].start |
11911.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].end |
11913.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].text |
好那 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].start |
11913.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].end |
11915.04 |
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就是四十一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].start |
11915.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].end |
11917.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].text |
之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].start |
11917.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].end |
11919.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].text |
的確是有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].start |
11919.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].end |
11921.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].text |
剛剛大家所討論的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].start |
11921.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].end |
11923.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].text |
那我這邊也同時了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].start |
11923.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].end |
11925.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].text |
現在四十一條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].start |
11925.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].end |
11927.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].text |
跟四十一條之三也是民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].start |
11927.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].end |
11929.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].text |
黨團針對於處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].start |
11929.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].end |
11931.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].text |
以後要有一定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].start |
11931.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].end |
11933.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].text |
實現裡面要提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].start |
11933.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].end |
11935.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].text |
調查報告並且送到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].start |
11935.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].end |
11937.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].text |
立法院來備查還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].start |
11937.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].end |
11939.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].text |
後面上架的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].start |
11939.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].end |
11941.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].text |
需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].start |
11941.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].end |
11943.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].text |
就誠如這個立書問委員所 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].start |
11943.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].end |
11945.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].text |
剛剛提議的我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].start |
11945.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].end |
11947.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].text |
是可以一併來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].start |
11947.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].end |
11949.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].text |
討論那是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].start |
11949.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].end |
11951.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].text |
看委員們還有沒有其他問題要提 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].start |
11951.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].end |
11953.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].text |
出來做發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].start |
11953.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].end |
11955.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].text |
好所以現在是四十一條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].start |
11955.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].end |
11957.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].text |
之三可以一併討論嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].start |
11957.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].end |
11959.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].text |
那關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].start |
11959.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].end |
11961.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].text |
四十一條之一我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].start |
11961.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].end |
11963.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].text |
所接觸的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].start |
11963.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].end |
11965.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].text |
原則就是要公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].start |
11965.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].end |
11967.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].text |
資訊透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].start |
11967.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].end |
11969.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].text |
保證人民知情的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].start |
11969.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].end |
11971.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].text |
那四十一條之二當然就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].start |
11971.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].end |
11973.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].text |
加強國會監督的力道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].start |
11973.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].end |
11975.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].text |
所以就是如果中央主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].start |
11975.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].end |
11977.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].text |
機關他沒有依規定辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].start |
11977.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].end |
11979.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].text |
抽查的話那導致這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].start |
11979.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].end |
11981.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].text |
食安事件擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].start |
11981.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].end |
11983.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].text |
擴大那應該在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].start |
11983.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].end |
11985.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].text |
兩個月內提出行政報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].start |
11985.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].end |
11987.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].text |
送立法院備查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].start |
11987.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].end |
11989.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].text |
那如果是重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].start |
11989.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].end |
11991.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].text |
食安事件那中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].start |
11991.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].end |
11993.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].text |
應該在兩個月提出完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].start |
11993.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].end |
11995.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].text |
的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].start |
11995.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].end |
11997.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].text |
必須是完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].start |
11997.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].end |
11999.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].text |
不能夠像前陣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].start |
11999.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].end |
12001.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].text |
在我們立法院出現的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].start |
12001.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].end |
12003.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].text |
什麼無字天書感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].start |
12003.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].end |
12005.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].text |
內容非常的稀稀落落 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].start |
12005.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].end |
12007.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].text |
所以我們也要求一個完整的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].start |
12007.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].end |
12009.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].text |
報告那其實四十一條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].start |
12009.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].end |
12011.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].text |
我們所強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].start |
12011.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].end |
12013.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].text |
的一個精神就是讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].start |
12013.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].end |
12015.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].text |
立法院能夠加強對行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].start |
12015.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].end |
12017.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].text |
機關的一個監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].start |
12017.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].end |
12019.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].text |
那當然四十一條之三 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].start |
12019.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].end |
12021.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].text |
四十一條之三 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].start |
12021.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].end |
12023.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].text |
這邊就提到說如果有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].start |
12023.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].end |
12025.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].text |
食品或者是添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].start |
12025.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].end |
12027.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].text |
不符合規定的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].start |
12027.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].end |
12029.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].text |
那應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].start |
12029.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].end |
12031.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].text |
就是要下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].start |
12031.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].end |
12033.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].text |
但是如果食品業者有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].start |
12033.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].end |
12035.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].text |
提出合格的證明文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].start |
12035.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].end |
12037.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].text |
那當然經主管機關同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].start |
12037.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].end |
12039.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].text |
之後我們就可以讓他恢復 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].start |
12039.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].end |
12041.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].text |
上架那其實一來是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].start |
12041.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].end |
12043.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].text |
保障人民的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].start |
12043.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].end |
12045.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].text |
食品的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].start |
12045.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].end |
12047.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].text |
那但是廠商當然能夠證明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].start |
12047.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].end |
12049.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].text |
食品的安全無虞就讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].start |
12049.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].end |
12051.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].text |
他上架其實也是很憑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].start |
12051.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].end |
12053.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].text |
廠商的一個營業利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].start |
12053.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].end |
12055.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].text |
那這是關於四十一條之一之二之三 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].start |
12055.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].end |
12057.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].text |
台灣民眾黨所提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].start |
12057.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].end |
12059.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].text |
一個修法的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].start |
12059.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].end |
12061.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].text |
以上說明謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].start |
12060.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].end |
12062.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].text |
好我們先請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].start |
12063.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].end |
12065.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].text |
年金會委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].start |
12065.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].end |
12067.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].text |
以後再請另外一位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].start |
12068.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].end |
12070.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].start |
12070.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].end |
12072.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].text |
我想要支持這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].start |
12072.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].end |
12074.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].text |
民眾黨的四十一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].start |
12074.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].end |
12076.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].text |
四十一條之二的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].start |
12076.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].end |
12078.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].text |
增訂的這一條這個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].start |
12078.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].end |
12080.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].text |
就是主管機關應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].start |
12080.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].end |
12082.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].text |
於兩個月內提出完整的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].start |
12082.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].end |
12084.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].text |
報告所以是支持這個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].start |
12084.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].end |
12086.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].text |
那剛剛秋委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].start |
12086.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].end |
12088.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].text |
講得非常清楚因為之前的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].start |
12088.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].end |
12090.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].text |
讓我們看到這個制度的必要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].start |
12090.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].end |
12092.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].text |
當時為了釐清為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].start |
12092.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].end |
12094.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].text |
有20%下架門檻我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].start |
12094.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].end |
12096.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].text |
反覆的要求主管機關提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].start |
12096.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].end |
12098.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].text |
相關的資料7月4號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].start |
12098.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].end |
12100.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].text |
召開所謂的這個專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].start |
12100.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].end |
12102.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].text |
一直到8月5號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].start |
12102.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].end |
12104.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].text |
因為報紙提早揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].start |
12104.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].end |
12106.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].text |
後來才被迫不得不 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].start |
12106.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].end |
12108.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].text |
公開資料與記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].start |
12108.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].end |
12110.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].text |
前後相隔一個多月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].start |
12110.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].end |
12112.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].text |
而且這個是透過各種方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].start |
12112.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].end |
12114.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].text |
包括質詢記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].start |
12114.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].end |
12116.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].text |
種種壓力之下甚至到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].start |
12116.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].end |
12118.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].text |
後面連那個爆料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].start |
12118.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].end |
12120.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].text |
者都有講到中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].start |
12120.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].end |
12122.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].text |
總經理廠長等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].start |
12122.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].end |
12124.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].text |
後來被收押的人都 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].start |
12124.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].end |
12126.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].text |
在20%的會議當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].start |
12126.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].end |
12128.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].text |
食藥署最終才選擇公開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].start |
12128.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].end |
12130.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].text |
所以我認為這些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].start |
12130.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].end |
12132.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].text |
涉及重大的食安處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].start |
12132.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].end |
12134.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].text |
應該有明確的整理提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].start |
12134.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].end |
12136.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].text |
還有公開機制尤其當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].start |
12136.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].end |
12138.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].text |
這個標準到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].start |
12138.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].end |
12140.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].text |
是用什麼數據怎麼推估 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].start |
12140.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].end |
12142.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].text |
會議中不同的意見怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].start |
12142.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].end |
12144.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].text |
有沒有表決最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].start |
12144.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].end |
12146.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].text |
誰去確認才行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].start |
12146.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].end |
12148.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].text |
從上次的會議記錄還有諸多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].start |
12148.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].end |
12150.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].text |
質詢都是問號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].start |
12150.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].end |
12152.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].start |
12152.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].end |
12154.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].text |
有官員對外說是專家學者決定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].start |
12154.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].end |
12156.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].text |
那專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].start |
12156.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].end |
12158.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].text |
出來以後又說沒有他們當下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].start |
12158.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].end |
12160.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].text |
是反對的是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].start |
12160.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].end |
12162.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].text |
可以全面下架的這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].start |
12162.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].end |
12164.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].text |
到現在都還是疑雲重重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].start |
12164.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].end |
12166.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].text |
那我希望都可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].start |
12166.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].end |
12168.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].text |
列入調查並且附上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].start |
12168.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].end |
12170.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].text |
足夠核對的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].start |
12170.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].end |
12172.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].text |
甚至是錄音檔更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].start |
12172.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].end |
12174.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].text |
完整的報告讓我們看得懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].start |
12174.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].end |
12176.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].text |
決策是如何形成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].start |
12176.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].end |
12178.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].text |
也可以判斷責任要如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].start |
12178.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].end |
12180.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].text |
釐清所以我在這邊支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].start |
12180.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].end |
12182.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].text |
重大的食安事件一定要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].start |
12182.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].end |
12184.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].text |
兩個月內提出完整報告法定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].start |
12184.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].end |
12186.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].text |
一入對於位議規定辦理抽檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].start |
12186.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].end |
12188.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].text |
導致事件擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].start |
12188.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].end |
12190.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].text |
也應該提出行政調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].start |
12190.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].end |
12192.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].text |
送立法院備查接受國會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].start |
12192.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].end |
12194.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].text |
監督至於完整報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].start |
12194.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].end |
12196.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].text |
的內容我們可以進一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].start |
12196.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].end |
12198.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].text |
跟官員們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].start |
12198.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].end |
12200.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].text |
來溝通就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].start |
12200.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].end |
12202.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].text |
依照立法院依法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].start |
12202.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].end |
12204.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].text |
公開的條件寫清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].start |
12204.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].end |
12206.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].text |
讓調查可以涵蓋整齊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].start |
12206.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].end |
12208.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].text |
原因影響範圍處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].start |
12208.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].end |
12210.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].text |
的時序決策的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].start |
12210.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].end |
12212.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].text |
依據還有行政缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].start |
12212.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].end |
12214.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].text |
還有改善條件等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].start |
12214.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].end |
12216.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].start |
12221.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].end |
12223.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].text |
謝謝李書人委員請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].start |
12225.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].end |
12229.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].text |
好這個下架跟恢復流通 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].start |
12229.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].end |
12231.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].text |
其實是三方的平衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].start |
12231.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].end |
12233.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].text |
一個是消費者的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].start |
12233.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].end |
12235.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].text |
一個是業者的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].start |
12235.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].end |
12237.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].text |
那會牽扯到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].start |
12237.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].end |
12239.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].text |
政府能不能站在客觀中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].start |
12239.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].end |
12241.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].text |
所以人民對政府的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].start |
12241.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].end |
12243.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].text |
這個態度他的可信度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].start |
12243.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].end |
12245.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].text |
其實是這三方在角力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].start |
12245.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].end |
12247.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].text |
但是在這種狀況裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].start |
12247.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].end |
12249.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].text |
我仍然還是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].start |
12249.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].end |
12251.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].text |
要塌綠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].start |
12251.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].end |
12253.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].text |
這個東西我可以這樣舉例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].start |
12253.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].end |
12255.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].text |
我覺得衛福部要神聖的去思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].start |
12255.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].end |
12257.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].text |
因為大多數執行面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].start |
12257.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].end |
12259.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].text |
都在地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].start |
12259.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].end |
12261.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].text |
那我們要求其實也有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].start |
12261.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].end |
12263.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].text |
地方政府人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].start |
12263.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].end |
12265.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].text |
檢驗了什麼就公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].start |
12266.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].end |
12268.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].text |
還發新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].start |
12268.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].end |
12270.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].text |
搞卻公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].start |
12271.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].end |
12273.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].text |
我們讓地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].start |
12273.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].end |
12275.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].text |
剋責他們有檢驗就公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].start |
12275.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].end |
12277.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].text |
合格的不合格通通公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].start |
12277.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].end |
12279.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].text |
設一個地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].start |
12279.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].end |
12281.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].text |
設一個公告專區 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].start |
12281.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].end |
12283.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].text |
就專門就 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].start |
12283.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].end |
12285.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].text |
各種食品各式各樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].start |
12285.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].end |
12287.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].text |
你有檢驗你通通公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].start |
12287.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].end |
12289.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].text |
那你要強迫他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].start |
12289.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].end |
12291.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].text |
一定要檢驗什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].start |
12291.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].end |
12293.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].text |
那是另外一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].start |
12293.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].end |
12295.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].text |
但是架設一個公告區 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].start |
12295.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].end |
12297.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].text |
有檢驗就公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].start |
12297.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].end |
12299.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].text |
為什麼我要這麼說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].start |
12299.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].end |
12301.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].text |
你去問全台灣的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].start |
12301.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].end |
12303.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].text |
他們都有一個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].start |
12303.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].end |
12305.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].text |
他們都認為反正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].start |
12305.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].end |
12307.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].text |
有政府所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].start |
12307.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].end |
12309.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].text |
架上的都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].start |
12309.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].end |
12311.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].text |
政府把關過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].start |
12312.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].end |
12314.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].text |
理論上他們都是這樣認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].start |
12314.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].end |
12316.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].text |
事實上其實是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].start |
12316.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].end |
12318.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].text |
真的沒有完全都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].start |
12318.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].end |
12320.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].text |
因為是業者自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].start |
12322.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].end |
12326.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].text |
所以我們要恢復這個信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].start |
12326.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].end |
12328.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].text |
其實是要講風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].start |
12328.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].end |
12330.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].text |
真的要控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].start |
12330.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].end |
12332.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].text |
各人做給各人帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].start |
12332.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].end |
12334.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].text |
地方政府檢驗的頻率這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].start |
12334.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].end |
12336.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].text |
那是你們家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].start |
12336.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].end |
12338.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].text |
你就給大家看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].start |
12338.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].end |
12340.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].text |
那人民自然心中有一把尺 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].start |
12340.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].end |
12342.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].text |
會公平嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].start |
12341.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].end |
12343.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].text |
我大家都代替代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].start |
12343.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].end |
12345.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].text |
大家都代替議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].start |
12345.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].end |
12347.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].text |
代替立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].start |
12348.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].end |
12352.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].text |
不管誰執政誰是地方誰是中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].start |
12352.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].end |
12354.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].text |
我們把法律定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].start |
12354.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].end |
12356.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].text |
所有你定期檢驗的不定期檢驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].start |
12356.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].end |
12358.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].text |
你只要政府有去檢驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].start |
12358.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].end |
12360.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].text |
通通給我公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].start |
12360.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].end |
12362.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].text |
我也不強迫你肖慕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].start |
12362.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].end |
12364.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].text |
來出事情了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].start |
12364.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].end |
12366.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].text |
你這一個市長到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].start |
12366.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].end |
12368.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].text |
你沒有檢驗過半次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].start |
12368.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].end |
12370.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].text |
市長會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].start |
12370.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].end |
12372.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].text |
又沒有規定一定要強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].start |
12372.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].end |
12374.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].text |
我們現在講說別人為什麼就有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].start |
12374.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].end |
12376.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].text |
你為什麼就沒有 |
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12376.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].end |
12378.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].text |
不用等地方跟中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].start |
12378.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].end |
12380.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].text |
在那邊推卸責任說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].start |
12380.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].end |
12382.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].text |
他沒有強制跟我無關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].start |
12382.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].end |
12384.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].text |
我們現在就是 |
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12385 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].end |
12387 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].text |
不管你有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].start |
12387 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].end |
12389 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].text |
大家要自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].start |
12389 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].end |
12391 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].text |
我不是講業者自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].start |
12392.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].end |
12399.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].text |
政府各級政府地方政府第一線稽查的政府各自自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].start |
12399.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].end |
12403.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].text |
你對於你轄區行政區域範圍內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].start |
12403.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].end |
12405.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].text |
你的食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].start |
12405.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].end |
12407.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].text |
你管你的強度要多高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].start |
12407.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].end |
12409.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].text |
你管你的頻率要多高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].start |
12409.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].end |
12412.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].text |
你的檢驗數字通通 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].start |
12412.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].end |
12415.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].text |
什麼時候去做全部公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].start |
12415.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].end |
12417.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].text |
都不用在那裡出事了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].start |
12417.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].end |
12420.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].text |
說來你這個政府去了兩次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].start |
12420.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].end |
12422.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].text |
你這個政府去了四次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].start |
12422.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].end |
12424.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].text |
還是八次在那裡玩假 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].start |
12424.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].end |
12426.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].text |
我們在這裡立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].start |
12426.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].end |
12427.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].text |
明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].start |
12427.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].end |
12429.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].text |
只要你有去檢查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].start |
12429.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].end |
12431.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].text |
通通都公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].start |
12431.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].end |
12433.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].text |
來十年前到現在十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].start |
12433.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].end |
12435.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].text |
你完全都沒有檢查過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].start |
12436.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].end |
12438.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].text |
誰執政誰負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].start |
12438.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].end |
12440.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].text |
我覺得就是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].start |
12440.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].end |
12442.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].text |
資訊公開透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].start |
12442.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].end |
12445.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].text |
就是最好的民主的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].start |
12445.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].end |
12448.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].text |
就是最好的問責的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].start |
12448.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].end |
12451.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].text |
就是最好的管理制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].start |
12451.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].end |
12453.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].text |
大家一起看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].start |
12453.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].end |
12456.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].text |
不管地方政府誰執政都一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].start |
12457.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].end |
12459.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].text |
所以這個制度要怎麼寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].start |
12459.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].end |
12461.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].text |
我覺得值得寫進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].start |
12462.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].end |
12463.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].start |
12463.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].end |
12464.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].start |
12464.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].end |
12466.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].text |
我覺得有點像是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].start |
12468.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].end |
12469.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].text |
就是這樣我講的那樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].start |
12469.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].end |
12473.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].text |
但不是跟民眾黨的概念一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].start |
12473.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].end |
12475.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].text |
我沒有我意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].start |
12475.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].end |
12478.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].text |
地方政府自主管理自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].start |
12478.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].end |
12480.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].text |
只要有公權力進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].start |
12480.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].end |
12481.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].text |
只要有公家部門檢驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].start |
12481.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].end |
12483.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].text |
通通都上網公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].start |
12484.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].end |
12486.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].text |
這樣麥芬品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].start |
12486.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].end |
12488.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].text |
全部都上網公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].start |
12488.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].end |
12490.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].text |
公告周知啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].start |
12490.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].end |
12492.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].text |
我覺得是一個好方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].start |
12492.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].end |
12493.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].text |
個人是這樣建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].start |
12493.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].end |
12494.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].text |
但是要怎麼寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].start |
12494.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].end |
12496.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].text |
大家要調整一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].start |
12496.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].end |
12497.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].text |
但是也要在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].start |
12497.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].end |
12499.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].text |
請求大家同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].start |
12499.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].end |
12501.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].text |
是不是可以接受這樣的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].start |
12501.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].end |
12503.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].text |
我覺得我是十分的強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].start |
12503.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].end |
12505.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].text |
我在講他律 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].start |
12505.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].end |
12508.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].text |
絕對不能仰賴業者自律 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].start |
12508.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].end |
12513.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].text |
全部他律就是最核心就是公開透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].start |
12514.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].end |
12517.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].text |
公開透明就是最好的他律的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].start |
12519.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].end |
12521.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].text |
好謝謝林委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].start |
12521.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].end |
12523.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].text |
這邊是不是也先回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].start |
12523.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].end |
12525.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].text |
首先謝謝委員的指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].start |
12525.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].end |
12527.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].text |
針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].start |
12527.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].end |
12529.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].text |
是不是建制全國單一入口 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].start |
12529.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].end |
12532.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].text |
且登載格式一致的違反食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].start |
12532.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].end |
12534.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].text |
食安法的資訊查詢平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].start |
12534.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].end |
12537.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].text |
在115年8月5日 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].start |
12537.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].end |
12539.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].text |
我也為了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].start |
12539.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].end |
12541.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].text |
我將去網委員王昭偉這邊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].start |
12541.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].end |
12542.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].text |
附帶決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].start |
12542.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].end |
12543.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].text |
其實有特別要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].start |
12543.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].end |
12546.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].text |
所以本署的目前已經建制有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].start |
12546.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].end |
12549.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].text |
食品查核跟檢驗資訊的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].start |
12549.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].end |
12552.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].text |
我們公布本署專案給資訊查驗的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].start |
12552.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].end |
12554.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].text |
然後後續也會延續 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].start |
12554.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].end |
12559.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].text |
會診全國衛生局查核檢驗的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].start |
12559.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].end |
12561.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].text |
那我以為親自主持這個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].start |
12561.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].end |
12563.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].text |
跟各個地方衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].start |
12563.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].end |
12564.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].text |
已經做了一些交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].start |
12564.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].end |
12566.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].text |
跟確定整個要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].start |
12566.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].end |
12570.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].text |
接受的資訊的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].start |
12570.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].end |
12572.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].text |
目前還持續在會診當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].start |
12572.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].end |
12574.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].text |
那民眾可以透過本署的官網 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].start |
12574.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].end |
12578.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].text |
在查詢全國衛生局查核檢驗資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].start |
12578.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].end |
12580.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].text |
能夠違法採取的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].start |
12580.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].end |
12584.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].text |
那也符合全國衛生局查驗的報告的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].start |
12584.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].end |
12586.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].text |
在公開上網的平台裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].start |
12586.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].end |
12590.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].text |
我們預計是希望在116年能夠完成這一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].start |
12590.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].end |
12592.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].text |
整體的查核的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].start |
12592.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].end |
12594.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].text |
那另外衛生局檢驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].start |
12594.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].end |
12596.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].text |
那查詢專區上線前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].start |
12596.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].end |
12600.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].text |
本署會將整個官網建置各衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].start |
12600.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].end |
12603.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].text |
發佈之查驗結果的資訊的連結 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].start |
12603.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].end |
12605.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].text |
所以也讓這樣的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].start |
12605.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].end |
12608.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].text |
在中央跟地方的資訊的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].start |
12608.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].end |
12610.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].text |
能夠一致的能夠揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].start |
12611.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].end |
12613.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].text |
那剛剛特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].start |
12613.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].end |
12615.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].text |
邱委員提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].start |
12615.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].end |
12618.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].text |
有關於41條之一裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].start |
12618.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].end |
12620.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].text |
以及41條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].start |
12620.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].end |
12622.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].text |
那特別對於41條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].start |
12622.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].end |
12624.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].text |
那我們建議條文裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].start |
12624.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].end |
12626.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].text |
之一條的第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].start |
12626.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].end |
12629.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].text |
那我們已經規範中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].start |
12629.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].end |
12632.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].text |
得依據食品安全及風險評估等的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].start |
12632.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].end |
12635.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].text |
我們訂定專案查核計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].start |
12635.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].end |
12638.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].text |
那因為每個查核出來的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].start |
12638.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].end |
12641.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].text |
因為它是違規的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].start |
12641.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].end |
12642.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].text |
我們查核出來的結果 |
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就調深它的被稽查的比例 |
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所以這個公佈的抽驗的比例密度 |
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它其實是動態的 |
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12656 |
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所以如果我們公告這個查驗的結果 |
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12659 |
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是可以按照風險來去做的話 |
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12661 |
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我想會讓各中央跟地方 |
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12661 |
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12663 |
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針對這樣的查核的 |
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12666 |
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各類抽驗的頻率的事項 |
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12666 |
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12669 |
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我們就已經可以有相對的條文 |
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12669 |
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12670 |
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可以做執行 |
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12670 |
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12672 |
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那另外委員特別提到 |
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12674 |
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42條之二裡面 |
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12677 |
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41條之二裡面特別提到說 |
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12677 |
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12681 |
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要兩個月內要提出行政的調查報告 |
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12681 |
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12684 |
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這次也再一次的一些做說明 |
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12685.42 |
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12689.42 |
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在食品要務管理署我們針對違規的事件 |
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12689.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].end |
12692.42 |
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其實食品違規案件的產品下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].start |
12692.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].end |
12695.42 |
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回收封存銷毀的階層處理原則 |
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12695.42 |
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12698.42 |
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是106年在本委員會的時候 |
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12698.42 |
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12700.42 |
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食藥署被 |
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12700.34 |
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12702.34 |
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摺成要訂定規則 |
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12702.34 |
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12706.34 |
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訂出來的規則其實在106年11月22日 |
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12706.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].end |
12710.34 |
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其實有給各縣市衛生局非常清楚的 |
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12710.34 |
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12711.34 |
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有十項 |
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12711.34 |
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12715.34 |
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同時也讓當時的各委員會裡面的各個委員 |
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12715.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].end |
12717.34 |
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以及我們的召委當時的召委 |
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12717.34 |
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12720.34 |
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那以及都有取得相關資訊 |
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12720.34 |
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12723.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].text |
因此本次中年有品的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].start |
12723.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].end |
12726.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].text |
也是按照食品違規案件產品下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].start |
12726.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].end |
12728.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].text |
回收封存的原則處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].start |
12728.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].end |
12731.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].text |
原則處理是因為有衛生安全標準的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].start |
12731.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].end |
12733.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].text |
他是在第一階層的下架 |
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12733.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].end |
12735.34 |
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所以剛才提到的20%的部分 |
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12735.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].end |
12738.34 |
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其實是在原來第一階層的下架之後 |
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12738.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].end |
12741.34 |
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考量它的特殊性而增加了20% |
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12741.34 |
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12744.34 |
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那也是在整個討論裡面曾經也做說明 |
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12744.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].end |
12746.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].text |
那委員也特別提到說 |
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12746.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].end |
12749.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].text |
比較時間上面要公布的時間 |
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12749.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].end |
12750.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].text |
特別報告一下 |
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12750.34 |
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12753.34 |
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因為整個案件要去調查 |
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12753.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].end |
12759.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].text |
整個違規的現在的批次等等都要花時間 |
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12759.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].end |
12762.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].text |
其實我們部門大家 |
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12762.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].end |
12765.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].text |
我們其實署內是動員全部體的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].start |
12765.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].end |
12769.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].text |
能夠在最短的時間把所有產品釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].start |
12769.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].end |
12775.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].text |
該是合格該下架該預防性下架之後的上架的19批次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].start |
12775.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].end |
12778.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].text |
那已經公告給各個地方衛生局 |
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12778.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].end |
12781.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].text |
那各個地方衛生局依照權責而進行後續的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].start |
12781.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].end |
12784.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].text |
目前也是持續在處置當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].start |
12785.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].end |
12787.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].text |
那些食品安全事件的成因 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].start |
12787.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].end |
12791.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].text |
範圍跟相關的周期資訊分析所需要時間 |
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12791.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].end |
12794.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].text |
那醫藥個案的情形其實差距其實盛大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].start |
12794.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].end |
12798.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].text |
如果一律按照是在兩個月的內提出完整的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].start |
12798.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].end |
12800.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].text |
恐怖隊調查尚未完備 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].start |
12800.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].end |
12802.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].text |
而影響整個報告的正確性跟完整性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].start |
12802.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].end |
12805.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].text |
那這部分我們成為行政機關的部分 |
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12805.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].end |
12808.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].text |
其實特別是要依照我們行政的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].start |
12808.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].end |
12811.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].text |
接受立法院的監督跟義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].start |
12811.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].end |
12813.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].text |
這個是一定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].start |
12813.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].end |
12816.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].text |
那尚無需於食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].start |
12816.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].end |
12821.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].text |
跟訂定報告期限及送立法院的備查的規定 |
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12821.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].end |
12825.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].text |
所以真的是跟委員這邊做的確切的報告 |
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12825.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].end |
12828.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].text |
那在這邊是不是原意不予甄定 |
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12828.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].end |
12832.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].text |
另外剛才提到的不符合的法規者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].start |
12832.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].end |
12835.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].text |
要如何確定之後下架預防性架這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].start |
12835.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].end |
12840.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].text |
這個提案是有關於檢驗不符合規定者 |
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12840.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].end |
12845.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].text |
因經主管機關查核同意後使得恢復上架一截 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].start |
12845.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].end |
12849.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].text |
那建議條文其實在42條已經授權中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].start |
12849.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].end |
12852.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].text |
訂定違規下架預防性下架之範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].start |
12852.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].end |
12856.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].text |
重新上架作業及其他因遵循事項的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].start |
12856.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].end |
12860.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].text |
其實相關的規範已經有適當的授權的依據了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].start |
12860.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].end |
12865.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].text |
可透過執法進行一部的明定下架及重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].start |
12865.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].end |
12866.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].text |
這些要件跟程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].start |
12866.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].end |
12874.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].text |
是不是就建議不再在41條之三裡面進行一部的甄定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].start |
12874.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].end |
12876.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].text |
以上的說明 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].start |
12877.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].end |
12879.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].text |
好 謝謝 請問我言請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].start |
12879.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].end |
12883.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].text |
報告署長 我的個人觀念跟你講的都不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].start |
12883.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].end |
12887.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].text |
大家都覺得單一入口登入不合格名單公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].start |
12887.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].end |
12888.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].text |
可是不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].start |
12889.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].end |
12891.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].text |
大家都覺得所在不合格名單公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].start |
12891.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].end |
12894.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].text |
你知道我講的是不管合格不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].start |
12894.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].end |
12896.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].text |
合格名單也要讓大家知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].start |
12896.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].end |
12899.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].text |
然後還有人是合格的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].start |
12899.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].end |
12901.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].text |
只知道不合格這樣就夠了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].start |
12901.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].end |
12905.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].text |
那其實有的是根本沒有抽樣沒有檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].start |
12905.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].end |
12908.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].text |
是不是要忘了食品是抽檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].start |
12908.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].end |
12912.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].text |
抽檢你抽到的有的合格有的不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].start |
12912.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].end |
12914.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].text |
你合格不合格抽出來公佈了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].start |
12914.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].end |
12917.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].text |
大家才知道這個有抽到合格了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].start |
12917.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].end |
12919.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].text |
這個抽到不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].start |
12919.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].end |
12922.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].text |
可是我的產品是不在兩個裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].start |
12924.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].end |
12928.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].text |
所以 全部 全部每一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].start |
12928.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].end |
12932.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].text |
法律上有強制要公佈嗎 都有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].start |
12932.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].end |
12936.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].text |
各個地方政府所有的每一種檢驗都有強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].start |
12936.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].end |
12941.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].text |
我要法律保留原則要求強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].start |
12941.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].end |
12945.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].text |
但我要強制的不是公告不合格名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].start |
12946.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].end |
12949.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].text |
只要你有公開去抽的檢驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].start |
12949.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].end |
12951.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].text |
通通一律公告 |
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12951.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].end |
12954.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].text |
合格也要讓人民知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].start |
12954.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].end |
12956.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].text |
我要去選這個合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].start |
12956.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].end |
12958.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].text |
如果你選的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].start |
12958.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].end |
12960.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].text |
我不知道他有沒有抽過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].start |
12960.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].end |
12962.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].text |
我只知道他沒有不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].start |
12962.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].end |
12965.12 |
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沒有不合格有可能是沒抽到 |
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這有一個落差在那裡 |
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所以我們要求的是在法律裡面 |
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12971.4 |
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強制各地方政府全部合格不合格都公告 |
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那麼你就會知道你買的是 |
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12977.4 |
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不在兩者之列從來都沒抽過的 |
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那風險可能更高的 |
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12986.66 |
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比不合格的風險還更高 |
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12988.65 |
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所以我現在是在講說 |
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這個要求所有檢驗結果 |
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不管合格不合格通通一律公告 |
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而且這個東西也不一定要匯整到中央來 |
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地方政府檢驗這麼多 |
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13002.65 |
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幹嘛全部都匯到中央來 |
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13008.65 |
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地方政府法律名物規定強制公告以外 |
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13008.65 |
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13010.65 |
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還強制要設專區公告 |
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13010.65 |
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13014.65 |
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大家都到地方政府去一起監督 |
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13014.65 |
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13017.65 |
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公開透明的接受監督 |
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13017.65 |
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13019.65 |
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這樣不是很好嗎 |
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13019.65 |
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13022.65 |
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這個我只是在講這一部分而已 |
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13022.65 |
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13027.65 |
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那你的抽驗的比例密度專案的 |
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13027.65 |
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13029.65 |
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專案的就中央主導的 |
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13029.65 |
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13032.65 |
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那當然是中央要來公告 |
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13032.65 |
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13036.65 |
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那你中央要不合格的全部到你那裡 |
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13036.65 |
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13040.65 |
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其實不合格登錄不合格名單去查詢 |
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13040.65 |
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13043.65 |
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我是覺得有時候就是我剛剛講那種盲點 |
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13043.65 |
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13044.65 |
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你查到不合格的 |
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13044.65 |
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13047.65 |
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可是事實上你買的產品是沒檢驗的 |
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13049.83 |
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13052.83 |
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一個產品拼白可能過了十種而已 |
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13054.21 |
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13056.21 |
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我現在還沒講完 |
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13056.21 |
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13058.21 |
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我真的只是講公告 |
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13058.49 |
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13059.49 |
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我剛剛講的是說 |
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13059.49 |
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13061.49 |
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事實上這些下架要怎麼規範 |
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13063.18 |
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13065.18 |
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我再溝通一遍 |
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13065.18 |
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13069.18 |
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下架的資訊是風險溝通的一部分 |
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13069.18 |
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13072.18 |
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你的20%之所以成為議題 |
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13072.18 |
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13075.18 |
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就是你們沒有去充分的溝通 |
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13075.18 |
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13077.18 |
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為什麼風險要這樣設定 |
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13081 |
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即使他的產品可能風險不高 |
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13081 |
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13082 |
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那是你講的 |
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13082 |
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13084 |
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到底風險怎麼樣不知道 |
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13084 |
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13087 |
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我們已經購買或使用的產品 |
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13087 |
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13093 |
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如果你當時把能公開足以辨識的品名 |
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13093 |
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13095 |
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批號業者下架的理由等等 |
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13095 |
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13098 |
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這些資訊就相對公開透明 |
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13098.67 |
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13102.67 |
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或許你下架的暫時的權宜的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].start |
13102.67 |
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13103.67 |
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後來可以再上去的 |
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13103.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].end |
13105.67 |
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你通通都講清楚 |
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13105.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].end |
13110.67 |
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下架的資訊公開是風險溝通的一部分 |
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13110.67 |
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13113.67 |
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那恢復流通也應該在 |
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13113.67 |
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13115.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].text |
我們在這裡法律在討論的時候 |
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13115.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].end |
13117.67 |
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也要談清楚 |
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13117.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].end |
13119.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].text |
包括風險的原因有沒有排除 |
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13119.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].end |
13121.67 |
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檢驗合格 |
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13121.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].end |
13123.67 |
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合格還不一定喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].start |
13124.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].end |
13126.22 |
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然後污染的批次隔離 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].start |
13126.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].end |
13128.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].text |
產品的流向可追溯 |
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13128.22 |
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13130.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].text |
及必要的資訊公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].start |
13130.5 |
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13131.5 |
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你也不能說 |
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13131.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].end |
13134.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].text |
僅憑單次單一批次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].start |
13134.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].end |
13136.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].text |
他的復驗合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].start |
13137.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].end |
13139.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].text |
就恢復販賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].start |
13139.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].end |
13141.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].text |
這也太簡單了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].start |
13141.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].end |
13143.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].text |
單一批次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].start |
13143.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].end |
13146.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].text |
可是他同期進來的可能不止一個批次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].start |
13146.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].end |
13148.06 |
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他風險的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].start |
13148.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].end |
13153.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].text |
他的污染的隔離是不是做得周全了 |
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13153.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].end |
13156.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].text |
這個都是一種風險溝通要做到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].start |
13156.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].end |
13158.47 |
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那下架的範圍 |
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13159.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].end |
13161.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].text |
當時要給他下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].start |
13161.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].end |
13163.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].text |
那他的應該要連動到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].start |
13163.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].end |
13165.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].text |
批號原料的比例 |
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13165.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].end |
13166.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].text |
製成的批次 |
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13166.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].end |
13168.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].text |
流向的資料連動 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].start |
13168.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].end |
13172.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].text |
可是我們現在都憑著業者提供的清測 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].start |
13172.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].end |
13177.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].text |
業者的清測你忘了中年有史還有什麼一個統朝裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].start |
13177.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].end |
13179.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].text |
都沒有清測還隱匿 |
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13179.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].end |
13181.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].text |
整個統朝 |
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13181.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].end |
13182.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].text |
還隱匿 |
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13183.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].end |
13186.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].text |
所以我們怎麼可以只養賣業者的清測 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].start |
13187.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].end |
13189.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].text |
應該是主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].start |
13189.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].end |
13192.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].text |
要求去要求完整的下游流向 |
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13192.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].end |
13195.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].text |
庫存使用量產品批號與販售的數量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].start |
13195.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].end |
13197.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].text |
但是業者隱匿起來怎麼辦 |
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13199.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].end |
13201.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].text |
中年有史就是隱匿 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].start |
13201.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].end |
13204.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].text |
他不是一整個統朝到編號多少的統朝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].start |
13204.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].end |
13205.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].text |
還是一朝還兩朝 |
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13205.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].end |
13207.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].text |
通通都隱匿 |
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13208.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].end |
13210.04 |
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所以你要怎麼對付這種狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].start |
13210.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].end |
13212.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].text |
從重從嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].start |
13212.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].end |
13213.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].text |
那要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].start |
13213.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].end |
13216.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].text |
那你預防性的下架就是說不管風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].start |
13216.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].end |
13219.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].text |
高或低有時候都還不清楚的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].start |
13219.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].end |
13221.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].text |
之所以要預防性的下架 |
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13221.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].end |
13224.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].text |
就是認為就是說因為他可能很上游 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].start |
13224.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].end |
13228.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].text |
那他的擴散影響面會很很層次很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].start |
13228.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].end |
13233.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].text |
那你沒有完成全部的檢驗之前先預防性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].start |
13233.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].end |
13240.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].text |
但是你應該也要得先採取預防性下架或是這個限制販售 |
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13240.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].end |
13242.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].text |
然後到時候再想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].start |
13244.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].end |
13248.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].text |
什麼樣的條件可以確認排除風險 |
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13248.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].end |
13250.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].text |
我剛剛講恢復流通的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].start |
13250.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].end |
13253.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].text |
其實我們法裡面要不要講得這麼詳細 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].start |
13253.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].end |
13255.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].text |
或是還是全部要授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].start |
13255.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].end |
13258.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].text |
因為我們在這裡其實一直都 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].start |
13258.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].end |
13261.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].text |
都以蓋鍋授權的方式交給行政部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].start |
13263.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].end |
13265.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].text |
我們在修法裡面在立法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].start |
13265.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].end |
13270.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].text |
其實一直以來我們都蓋過的程序都授權給行政部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].start |
13270.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].end |
13273.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].text |
那我們立法院自己其實應該思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].start |
13273.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].end |
13276.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].text |
我們要不要把一些高度原則性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].start |
13276.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].end |
13279.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].text |
應該再收回來依法明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].start |
13279.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].end |
13282.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].text |
譬如說像我剛剛講的地方政府的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].start |
13282.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].end |
13283.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].text |
不管合格不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].start |
13283.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].end |
13287.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].text |
你地方政府折成他們全部設一個專區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].start |
13287.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].end |
13289.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].text |
有檢驗只要抽驗有檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].start |
13289.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].end |
13291.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].text |
全部都合格不合格全部都公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].start |
13292.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].end |
13296.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].text |
不要再授權給中央主管機關去訂定什麼規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].start |
13297.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].end |
13299.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].text |
我們在法裡面就明定下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].start |
13300.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].end |
13302.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].text |
這個很重要的一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].start |
13302.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].end |
13306.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].text |
跟風險管理來講很核心的管理機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].start |
13306.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].end |
13310.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].text |
要依法明定克責於各級單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].start |
13310.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].end |
13312.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].text |
我是這樣認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].start |
13312.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].end |
13315.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].text |
我知道今天應該是沒辦法達成共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].start |
13315.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].end |
13316.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].text |
先這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].start |
13317.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].end |
13319.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].start |
13319.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].end |
13321.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].text |
請問邱委員針對41條之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].start |
13321.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].end |
13323.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].text |
41條之3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].start |
13323.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].end |
13325.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].text |
剛剛也都有合併討論過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].start |
13325.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].end |
13329.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].text |
我們覺得因為跟行政部門好像沒辦法達成共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].start |
13329.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].end |
13331.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].text |
所以我們這邊主張保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].start |
13331.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].end |
13333.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].text |
先行保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].start |
13333.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].end |
13335.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].text |
是不是謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].start |
13335.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].end |
13337.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].text |
剛剛淑芬委員提到的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].start |
13337.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].end |
13340.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].text |
我想請我這邊是不是可以提出就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].start |
13340.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].end |
13343.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].text |
剛剛淑芬委員提到是不是我們到第五條這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].start |
13343.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].end |
13345.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].text |
我們去做一些文字上的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].start |
13345.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].end |
13348.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].text |
因為第五條這邊現行法裡面是寫的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].start |
13348.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].end |
13352.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].text |
各級主管機關亦科學實證建立食品衛生安全監測體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].start |
13352.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].end |
13355.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].text |
與監測發現有危害食品衛生安全之虞之事件發生時 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].start |
13355.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].end |
13359.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].text |
應主動查驗並發佈預警或採行必要的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].start |
13359.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].end |
13364.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].text |
那前項主動查驗發佈預警或採行必要管制措施包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].start |
13364.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].end |
13369.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].text |
主管機關應抽樣檢驗追查原料來源產品流向公佈檢驗結果及 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].start |
13369.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].end |
13372.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].text |
揭露資訊並令業者自主檢驗的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].start |
13372.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].end |
13373.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].text |
剛剛淑芬委員提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].start |
13374.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].end |
13376.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].text |
各級主管機關其實他的不論是例行的檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].start |
13376.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].end |
13379.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].text |
他依照他的這個他的需求去做監測 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].start |
13379.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].end |
13382.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].text |
或者是他發現剛剛淑芬委員提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].start |
13382.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].end |
13384.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].text |
但是這個第五條是鎖定在不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].start |
13384.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].end |
13385.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].text |
是所以所以我原提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].start |
13385.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].end |
13386.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].text |
那我們講是不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].start |
13386.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].end |
13388.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].text |
是不是讓我們從第五條這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].start |
13388.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].end |
13389.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].text |
我們來做文字上的作修 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].start |
13389.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].end |
13390.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].text |
只要你們要管制我就沒意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].start |
13390.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].end |
13393.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].text |
但是因為第五條原條我是指鎖定不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].start |
13393.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].end |
13394.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].text |
因為這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].start |
13394.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].end |
13396.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].text |
但我的概念跟他們是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].start |
13396.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].end |
13397.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].text |
這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].start |
13398.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].end |
13400.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].text |
剛剛念了念起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].start |
13400.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].end |
13401.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].text |
我們把第五條這邊的文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].start |
13401.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].end |
13403.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].text |
反正再周全他一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].start |
13406.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].end |
13408.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].text |
你只要有有介入管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].start |
13408.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].end |
13409.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].text |
我們要公開透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].start |
13409.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].end |
13411.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].text |
我們我們在第五條這邊的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].start |
13411.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].end |
13413.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].text |
我們再回去做一些研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].start |
13413.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].end |
13416.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].text |
那之後看是不是能夠符合委員這邊的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].start |
13416.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].end |
13417.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].start |
13419.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].end |
13421.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].text |
我們再重新宣告確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].start |
13421.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].end |
13423.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].text |
四十一條之一保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].start |
13423.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].end |
13425.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].text |
四十一條之二保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].start |
13425.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].end |
13427.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].text |
四十一條之三保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].start |
13427.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].end |
13430.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].text |
那行政機關對委員所提的他律方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].start |
13430.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].end |
13433.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].text |
要有配套及整體制度的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].start |
13433.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].end |
13436.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].text |
並朝公開透明的方向來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].start |
13436.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].end |
13437.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].text |
加強研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].start |
13437.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].end |
13441.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].text |
好那我們繼續審查第四十二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].start |
13441.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].end |
13443.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].text |
請衛福部說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].start |
13445.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].end |
13450.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].text |
針對四十二條應該是就上述的四十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].start |
13450.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].end |
13452.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].text |
四十一條之一之二之三的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].start |
13452.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].end |
13455.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].text |
行政部門這邊特別提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].start |
13455.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].end |
13457.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].text |
成條第一項的查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].start |
13457.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].end |
13461.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].text |
查核查驗管制的同項第三款 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].start |
13461.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].end |
13463.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].text |
第五款之下架範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].start |
13463.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].end |
13467.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].text |
至今程序與其原因消失後之處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].start |
13467.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].end |
13471.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].text |
及其他因遵行事項之辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].start |
13471.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].end |
13473.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].text |
由中央主管地方定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].start |
13473.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].end |
13476.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].text |
這邊因為前項可能都 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].start |
13476.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].end |
13478.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].text |
前條都有做一些保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].start |
13478.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].end |
13482.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].text |
是不是這邊也容我們一併來做後續的一些研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].start |
13483.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].end |
13486.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].text |
四十二條就保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].start |
13488.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].end |
13494.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].text |
好那針對新增四十二條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].start |
13494.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].end |
13497.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].text |
也請衛福部先說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].start |
13501.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].end |
13503.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].start |
13504.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].end |
13507.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].text |
我歡迎四十二條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].start |
13507.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].end |
13510.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].text |
那我們研議的情形看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].start |
13510.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].end |
13512.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].text |
包括各個黨團提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].start |
13512.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].end |
13514.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].text |
局委員的提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].start |
13514.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].end |
13516.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].text |
重點是在預防性架架之範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].start |
13516.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].end |
13518.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].text |
執行程序跟補償 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].start |
13518.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].end |
13522.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].text |
主管機關應採取的措施或接獲預報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].start |
13522.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].end |
13526.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].text |
預通報之後七十二小時內完成官方的復驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].start |
13526.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].end |
13530.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].text |
並對業者的通報資訊予以保密 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].start |
13530.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].end |
13534.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].text |
經查核逐認無危害食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].start |
13534.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].end |
13537.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].text |
食品衛生安全之餘者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].start |
13537.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].end |
13539.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].text |
應解除原處分主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].start |
13539.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].end |
13545.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].text |
應將處置的情形同步傳送至食品安全資訊平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].start |
13545.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].end |
13549.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].text |
訂定官方復驗風險分級公布內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].start |
13549.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].end |
13551.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].text |
預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].start |
13551.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].end |
13553.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].text |
名譽復歸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].start |
13553.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].end |
13557.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].text |
易腐敗食品之補償損害賠償 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].start |
13557.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].end |
13561.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].text |
也非常紓困其他應遵循的事項的辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].start |
13561.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].end |
13565.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].text |
因為考量各個提案的納入法律的意旨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].start |
13565.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].end |
13567.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].text |
部分已經納入我們剛才討論的條文裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].start |
13567.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].end |
13572.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].text |
以及後續會討論的56條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].start |
13572.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].end |
13575.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].text |
部分得以42條授權執法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].start |
13575.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].end |
13579.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].text |
訂定下架階層及重新上架處理的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].start |
13579.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].end |
13582.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].text |
及其他應遵循的事項辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].start |
13582.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].end |
13586.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].text |
因為部分事項如果要七十四小時完成官方復驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].start |
13586.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].end |
13588.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].text |
必須要審訊整個執行上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].start |
13588.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].end |
13590.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].text |
有些檢驗需要有的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].start |
13590.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].end |
13592.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].text |
可能在特定的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].start |
13592.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].end |
13594.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].text |
四六小時不見得能夠完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].start |
13594.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].end |
13596.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].text |
所以這邊是不是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].start |
13596.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].end |
13598.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].text |
能夠在其他地方處理不予爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].start |
13598.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].end |
13600.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].text |
不予爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].start |
13601.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].end |
13603.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].text |
拜拜 求為人情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].start |
13603.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].end |
13605.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].start |
13605.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].end |
13607.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].text |
那我們關於42條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].start |
13607.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].end |
13609.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].text |
最主要就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].start |
13609.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].end |
13612.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].text |
也是針對這次的中聯由子事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].start |
13612.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].end |
13614.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].text |
所提出的一個鎮定的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].start |
13614.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].end |
13618.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].text |
那當然就是當主管機關或地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].start |
13618.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].end |
13622.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].text |
知道說食物再出自檢驗不符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].start |
13622.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].end |
13624.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].text |
那這時候我們主張的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].start |
13624.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].end |
13626.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].text |
就是為了保障人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].start |
13626.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].end |
13628.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].text |
食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].start |
13628.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].end |
13630.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].text |
的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].start |
13630.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].end |
13632.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].text |
所以我們主張就要全面性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].start |
13632.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].end |
13634.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].text |
預防性的下架這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].start |
13634.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].end |
13636.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].text |
接著要採取第二層的行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].start |
13636.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].end |
13640.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].text |
就是立即啟動全面的抽驗追溯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].start |
13640.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].end |
13642.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].text |
還有封存的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].start |
13642.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].end |
13644.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].text |
才能夠保障人民的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].start |
13644.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].end |
13646.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].text |
那如果搭配這樣的一個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].start |
13646.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].end |
13648.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].text |
我們有一個處罰條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].start |
13648.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].end |
13650.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].text |
如果沒有預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].start |
13650.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].end |
13652.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].text |
那在第三項就會有一個罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].start |
13652.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].end |
13654.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].text |
而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].start |
13654.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].end |
13656.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].text |
這個業者的名稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].start |
13656.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].end |
13658.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].text |
還有負責任的姓名違規事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].start |
13658.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].end |
13660.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].text |
都要一併的來給他公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].start |
13660.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].end |
13662.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].text |
然後跟接受進一步的行政裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].start |
13662.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].end |
13664.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].text |
那當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].start |
13666.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].end |
13668.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].text |
有疑慮當然就先全面性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].start |
13668.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].end |
13670.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].text |
預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].start |
13670.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].end |
13672.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].text |
但是如果72小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].start |
13672.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].end |
13674.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].text |
之內有完成復驗的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].start |
13674.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].end |
13676.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].text |
那如果復驗的結果是安全無虞的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].start |
13676.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].end |
13678.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].text |
當然就解除這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].start |
13678.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].end |
13680.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].text |
預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].start |
13680.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].end |
13682.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].text |
那如果不OK那當然進一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].start |
13682.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].end |
13684.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].text |
就會採取另外一個行動就是銷毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].start |
13684.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].end |
13686.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].text |
那其實這些機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].start |
13686.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].end |
13688.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].text |
就是針對這次的中原油脂事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].start |
13688.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].end |
13690.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].text |
給我們的一個啟示 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].start |
13690.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].end |
13692.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].text |
所以我們就藉由這一次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].start |
13692.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].end |
13694.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].text |
修法來彌補這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].start |
13694.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].end |
13696.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].text |
漏洞以上說明謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].start |
13697.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].end |
13699.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].text |
好那還沒期待委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].start |
13699.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].end |
13701.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].text |
呃要發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].start |
13701.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].end |
13703.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].text |
如果沒有的話我們是不是先請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].start |
13703.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].end |
13705.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].text |
呃微博這邊也先作為回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].start |
13705.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].end |
13707.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].text |
好謝謝委員喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].start |
13707.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].end |
13709.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].text |
我們在呃這個72小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].start |
13709.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].end |
13711.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].text |
這邊還是請委員呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].start |
13711.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].end |
13713.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].text |
參考量喔因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].start |
13713.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].end |
13715.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].text |
有一些像如果是已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].start |
13715.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].end |
13717.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].text |
既定有相關的檢驗標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].start |
13717.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].end |
13719.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].text |
的我們大概可以在72小時之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].start |
13719.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].end |
13721.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].text |
完成可是某些大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].start |
13721.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].end |
13723.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].text |
有他的這個這可能會導致 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].start |
13723.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].end |
13725.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].text |
有些檢查有困難喔舉例來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].start |
13725.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].end |
13727.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].text |
像之前的幫客列栓 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].start |
13727.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].end |
13729.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].text |
幫客列栓那個食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].start |
13729.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].end |
13731.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].text |
的案子他是剛好國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].start |
13731.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].end |
13733.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].text |
還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].start |
13733.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].end |
13735.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].text |
一個機構有標準品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].start |
13735.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].end |
13737.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].text |
所以我們有辦法很快的速度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].start |
13737.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].end |
13739.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].text |
去把它驗出來喔但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].start |
13739.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].end |
13741.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].text |
如果說他剛好是在一些特定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].start |
13741.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].end |
13743.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].text |
呃項目那國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].start |
13743.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].end |
13745.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].text |
沒有標準品或國內還沒有檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].start |
13745.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].end |
13747.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].text |
的標準的時候這個72小時可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].start |
13747.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].end |
13749.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].text |
會導致就是說檢驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].start |
13749.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].end |
13751.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].text |
不正確性而導致後續剛委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].start |
13751.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].end |
13753.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].text |
要求的這些銷毀處理受到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].start |
13753.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].end |
13755.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].text |
業者受到一定程度的這個這個影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].start |
13755.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].end |
13757.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].text |
喔或者是沒有辦法立刻 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].start |
13757.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].end |
13759.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].text |
出來好像我們之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].start |
13759.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].end |
13761.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].text |
也曾經有一個食品安全的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].start |
13761.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].end |
13763.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].text |
那是小米粽的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].start |
13763.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].end |
13765.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].text |
那小米粽的案件那一次是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].start |
13765.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].end |
13767.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].text |
呃在我們的相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].start |
13767.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].end |
13769.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].text |
檢檢組他很快的速度裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].start |
13769.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].end |
13771.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].text |
去跑發現說他有他有一個沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].start |
13771.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].end |
13773.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].text |
預期會在那裡面出現的農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].start |
13773.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].end |
13775.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].text |
那但是如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].start |
13775.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].end |
13777.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].text |
但是但是在我們我想委員在臨床待過喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].start |
13777.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].end |
13779.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].text |
那有些細菌或病毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].start |
13779.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].end |
13781.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].text |
甚至有一些像像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].start |
13781.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].end |
13783.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].text |
邦克瑞酸這一類的東西他的他的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].start |
13783.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].end |
13785.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].text |
那個他的那個培養時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].start |
13785.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].end |
13787.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].text |
真的很難確定在72小時之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].start |
13787.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].end |
13789.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].text |
完成喔那72小時這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].start |
13789.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].end |
13791.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].text |
時間點真的會導致後面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].start |
13791.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].end |
13793.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].text |
很多重要的行政程序自在難行或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].start |
13793.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].end |
13795.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].text |
導致我們行政程序上面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].start |
13795.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].end |
13797.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].text |
一些粗糙這邊還是要滿還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].start |
13797.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].end |
13799.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].text |
要請委員考量喔謝謝 |
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13800.78 |
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13802.78 |
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那我回覆一下喔因為那個 |
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13802.78 |
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13804.78 |
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剛我們的次長這樣回覆感覺 |
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13804.78 |
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13806.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].text |
1 2 3 像 |
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13806.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].end |
13808.43 |
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好像都沒問題那只如果只剩下 |
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13808.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].end |
13810.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].text |
72小時的問題當然我們 |
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13810.43 |
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可以針對呃 |
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13812.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[4561].text |
事實的可能性嘛當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].start |
13814.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].end |
13816.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].text |
我們不可能要求如果檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].start |
13816.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].end |
13818.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].text |
的呃可能性上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].start |
13818.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].end |
13820.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].text |
不可能那我們強人所難 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].start |
13820.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].end |
13822.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].text |
當然這個我們可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].start |
13822.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].end |
13824.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].text |
予以通盤的來做一些調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].start |
13824.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].end |
13826.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].text |
如果只是時間的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].start |
13826.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].end |
13828.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].text |
然後搭配這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].start |
13828.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].end |
13830.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].text |
到底檢驗出來的可行性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].start |
13830.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].end |
13832.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].text |
或不可行這個我們當然可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].start |
13832.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].end |
13834.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].text |
來做一個調整但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].start |
13834.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].end |
13836.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].text |
我們主張的不是只有這個小時的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].start |
13836.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].end |
13838.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].text |
問題我們還有第一項第二項第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].start |
13838.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].end |
13840.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].text |
整體這邊我們都還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].start |
13840.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].end |
13842.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].text |
堅持的主張這樣以上說明謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].start |
13842.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].end |
13844.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].text |
剛剛其實呃署長也已經回覆了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].start |
13844.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].end |
13846.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].text |
就是說其他的條文事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].start |
13846.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].end |
13848.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].text |
在原條文的41條42條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].start |
13848.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].end |
13850.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].text |
就我們剛剛保留這些部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].start |
13850.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].end |
13852.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].text |
還有我們後面會討論到第56條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].start |
13852.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].end |
13854.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].text |
之一喔呃其實在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].start |
13854.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].end |
13856.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].text |
其中都已經有寫入喔是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].start |
13856.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].end |
13858.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].text |
我們因為現在也保留嘛我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].start |
13858.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].end |
13860.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].text |
我們後續再跟委員再去確認是不是內部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].start |
13860.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].end |
13862.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].text |
都已經完成好不好好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].start |
13862.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].end |
13864.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].text |
所以呃42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].start |
13864.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].end |
13866.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].text |
也先行保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].start |
13866.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].end |
13868.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].text |
那麻煩再做後續處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].start |
13868.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].end |
13870.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].text |
那因本案條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].start |
13870.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].end |
13872.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].text |
有許多修法意見之起義 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].start |
13872.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].end |
13874.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].text |
上代部會先跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].start |
13874.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].end |
13876.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].text |
提案委員說明與溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].start |
13876.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].end |
13878.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].text |
呃而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].start |
13878.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].end |
13880.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].text |
為了要因應這次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].start |
13880.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].end |
13882.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].text |
強台就是牆壁颱風 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].start |
13882.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].end |
13884.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].text |
各項的這些防災的準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].start |
13884.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].end |
13886.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].text |
我們很多的委員都很關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].start |
13886.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].end |
13888.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].text |
地方的防災也需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].start |
13888.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].end |
13890.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].text |
能夠回到地方協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].start |
13890.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].end |
13892.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].text |
整個防災的準備喔所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].start |
13892.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].end |
13894.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].text |
呃我們也當然期待天佑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].start |
13894.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].end |
13896.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].text |
臺灣喔不要讓這次颱風 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].start |
13896.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].end |
13898.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].text |
對臺灣造成重大的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].start |
13898.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].end |
13900.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].text |
那請問各位委員我們今天的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].start |
13900.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].end |
13902.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].text |
審查是不是就先進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].start |
13902.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].end |
13904.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].text |
到此 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].start |
13904.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].end |
13906.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].text |
請問委員有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].start |
13906.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].end |
13908.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].text |
不同意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].start |
13908.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].end |
13910.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].text |
好那我們就先行進行到此 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].start |
13910.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].end |
13912.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].text |
如果無意義那我們就做以下決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].start |
13912.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].end |
13914.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].text |
審查及繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].start |
13914.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].end |
13916.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].text |
行政院含請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].start |
13916.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].end |
13918.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].text |
食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].start |
13918.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].end |
13920.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].text |
部分條文修正查案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].start |
13920.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].end |
13922.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].text |
等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].start |
13921.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].end |
13923.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].text |
等六十案上位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].start |
13923.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].end |
13925.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].text |
審查完畢令哲啟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].start |
13925.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].end |
13927.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].text |
繼續審查本次會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].start |
13927.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].end |
13929.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].text |
到此結束現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].start |
13929.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].end |
13931.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].text |
上會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].start |
13951.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].end |
13953.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].text |
我直接帶走 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].start |
13964.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].end |
13966.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].start |
13971.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].end |
13973.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].start |
13974 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].end |
13976 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].text |
謝謝大家 |