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| 00:33:55,650 | 00:33:57,290 | 好 現在開始協商會議 |
| 00:33:57,290 | 00:34:00,230 | 本地協商大學法第35條 條文修正草案 |
| 00:34:00,230 | 00:34:02,230 | 等十個主題 |
| 00:34:02,230 | 00:34:04,870 | 稍後按協商通知排序 |
| 00:34:04,870 | 00:34:06,070 | 依序進行協商 |
| 00:34:06,070 | 00:34:09,430 | 協商進行前請簽卸照到場的委員 |
| 00:34:09,430 | 00:34:11,430 | 吳立華委員 蔡順雄委員 |
| 00:34:11,430 | 00:34:14,170 | 葉人芝委員 羅志強委員 |
| 00:34:14,170 | 00:34:17,350 | 機關代表我們就請大家參與 |
| 00:34:17,350 | 00:34:20,310 | 剛剛我們早上宣布的相關名單 |
| 00:34:20,310 | 00:34:22,950 | 主要由我們的教育部部長 |
| 00:34:22,950 | 00:34:23,950 | 鄭英耀 |
| 00:34:25,330 | 00:34:28,029 | 現在進行逐案協商 |
| 00:34:28,029 | 00:34:32,810 | 協商時請參閱協商條文對照表及審查報告 |
| 00:34:32,810 | 00:34:35,009 | 禁服二讀提案 關係文書 |
| 00:34:35,009 | 00:34:36,509 | 與會的委員如果修正動議 |
| 00:34:36,509 | 00:34:38,509 | 或者是機關建議內容 |
| 00:34:38,509 | 00:34:41,110 | 請提出書面資料 |
| 00:34:41,110 | 00:34:44,750 | 印發現場所有的同仁委員 |
| 00:34:44,750 | 00:34:48,190 | 都能夠來進行參考討論 |
| 00:34:48,190 | 00:34:49,690 | 現在來處理 |
| 00:34:50,870 | 00:34:51,870 | 主題一 |
| 00:34:51,870 | 00:34:53,509 | 教育及文化委員會報告 |
| 00:34:53,509 | 00:34:55,509 | 併案審查大選法第35條 |
| 00:34:55,509 | 00:34:57,810 | 條文修正草案等16案 |
| 00:34:57,810 | 00:35:00,109 | 本案經15年6月11日召開 |
| 00:35:00,109 | 00:35:02,549 | 本案本院第11屆第5會期 |
| 00:35:02,549 | 00:35:04,790 | 教育文化委員會第15次 |
| 00:35:04,790 | 00:35:05,750 | 會議審查完畢 |
| 00:35:05,750 | 00:35:07,850 | 結果第35條含修正動議 |
| 00:35:07,850 | 00:35:09,549 | 及附帶決議一案 |
| 00:35:09,549 | 00:35:11,690 | 保留送院會處理 |
| 00:35:11,690 | 00:35:14,029 | 並決議需交由黨團協商本案 |
| 00:35:14,029 | 00:35:16,690 | 第11屆第5期第5會期 |
| 00:35:16,690 | 00:35:18,089 | 第15次第16次 |
| 00:35:18,090 | 00:35:21,150 | 將委員林切奇等第17人 |
| 00:35:21,150 | 00:35:23,690 | 17人擬具的大選法第35條 |
| 00:35:23,690 | 00:35:25,130 | 條文修正草案等3案 |
| 00:35:25,130 | 00:35:28,690 | 政府二讀與相關提案 |
| 00:35:28,690 | 00:35:30,370 | 並案協商 |
| 00:35:30,370 | 00:35:33,570 | 本院第11屆第5會期第15次 |
| 00:35:33,570 | 00:35:35,330 | 第16次院會 |
| 00:35:35,330 | 00:35:37,070 | 將委員郭一琴等16人 |
| 00:35:37,070 | 00:35:38,970 | 大選法第35條條文修正草案 |
| 00:35:38,970 | 00:35:39,910 | 等12案 |
| 00:35:39,910 | 00:35:41,370 | 自教育文化委員會抽出 |
| 00:35:41,370 | 00:35:43,410 | 政府二讀與相關 |
| 00:35:43,410 | 00:35:45,110 | 並案提案協商 |
| 00:35:45,130 | 00:35:46,030 | 以上個案 |
| 00:35:46,030 | 00:35:47,930 | 與今日並案協商 |
| 00:35:49,280 | 00:35:51,300 | 現在請各黨團表示意見 |
| 00:35:55,040 | 00:35:56,320 | 黨團沒有意見 |
| 00:35:56,320 | 00:35:58,120 | 請機關代表說明 |
| 00:36:00,690 | 00:36:03,250 | 召委還有各位委員大家午安 |
| 00:36:03,250 | 00:36:06,190 | 那首先針對學代三法中的 |
| 00:36:06,190 | 00:36:08,350 | 大學法第35條的修正草案 |
| 00:36:08,350 | 00:36:11,330 | 經過相關的並案協商之後呢 |
| 00:36:11,330 | 00:36:15,270 | 現在是有31案的一個修正 |
| 00:36:15,270 | 00:36:19,230 | 那上次6月11號的一個審查的 |
| 00:36:19,230 | 00:36:21,670 | 最主要的版本的一個差異呢 |
| 00:36:21,670 | 00:36:24,110 | 第一個部分就是有關於 |
| 00:36:24,110 | 00:36:25,510 | 柯居恩曾經會委員 |
| 00:36:25,510 | 00:36:28,550 | 他在免納學費的這一個部分呢 |
| 00:36:28,550 | 00:36:31,010 | 是提列了所謂的那個 |
| 00:36:31,010 | 00:36:34,750 | 所得稅進額的12%以內者 |
| 00:36:34,750 | 00:36:37,050 | 這是第一個部分免納學費 |
| 00:36:37,050 | 00:36:39,550 | 那羅昭偉這邊的相關的一個版本呢 |
| 00:36:39,550 | 00:36:42,430 | 是希望用行政院主計總處 |
| 00:36:42,430 | 00:36:44,690 | 在所謂的五等分 |
| 00:36:44,690 | 00:36:47,030 | 那個家庭所得五等分的 |
| 00:36:47,030 | 00:36:52,170 | 最低20%的這樣子作為免納學費的一個 |
| 00:36:53,970 | 00:36:57,470 | 那再來就是第三個部分呢 |
| 00:36:57,470 | 00:36:59,930 | 是主要是由郭育群委員 |
| 00:36:59,930 | 00:37:01,970 | 相關委員全球保委員還有 |
| 00:37:01,970 | 00:37:04,509 | 吳立華委員他們所提出來的 |
| 00:37:04,509 | 00:37:07,109 | 版本是希望在這一個部分 |
| 00:37:07,109 | 00:37:09,310 | 能夠比較及時的回應 |
| 00:37:09,310 | 00:37:12,490 | 整個就是學生的一個經濟的一個狀況 |
| 00:37:12,490 | 00:37:15,790 | 用規範性的原則性的文字來訂定 |
| 00:37:15,790 | 00:37:18,089 | 然後授權那個教育部來訂定 |
| 00:37:18,089 | 00:37:19,890 | 相關執行的辦法 |
| 00:37:19,890 | 00:37:22,490 | 那經過我們業務單位的一個評估 |
| 00:37:22,509 | 00:37:24,790 | 第一個如果用所謂的 |
| 00:37:24,790 | 00:37:27,589 | 所得稅進額的12%呢 |
| 00:37:27,589 | 00:37:29,549 | 因為涵蓋率會達到 |
| 00:37:29,549 | 00:37:33,689 | 高達91%的家庭都會被納入到 |
| 00:37:33,689 | 00:37:37,169 | 這個所謂的免學費的一個部分 |
| 00:37:37,169 | 00:37:38,790 | 會支應400多億 |
| 00:37:38,790 | 00:37:39,970 | 那等於相對而言 |
| 00:37:39,970 | 00:37:43,029 | 高等教育就某種形式上就有一點 |
| 00:37:43,029 | 00:37:45,009 | 是屬於涵蓋率非常高 |
| 00:37:45,009 | 00:37:46,370 | 不能精準投放 |
| 00:37:46,370 | 00:37:48,470 | 那第二個部分有關 |
| 00:37:48,470 | 00:37:51,250 | 那個郭偉這邊提出來的 |
| 00:37:52,110 | 00:37:52,770 | 就是說 |
| 00:37:54,470 | 00:37:58,010 | 我們的那個所得五等分最低20% |
| 00:37:58,010 | 00:38:00,350 | 那如果根據我們現行學生 |
| 00:38:00,350 | 00:38:03,290 | 103萬的專科以上學生的話 |
| 00:38:03,290 | 00:38:04,890 | 這樣子20%下來 |
| 00:38:04,890 | 00:38:08,190 | 大概會增加這個所謂的支出的 |
| 00:38:08,190 | 00:38:11,230 | 100億元這樣子的一個狀況 |
| 00:38:11,230 | 00:38:15,290 | 那是不是容許我們在參酌 |
| 00:38:15,290 | 00:38:18,090 | 就是說羅昭偉這邊的一個 |
| 00:38:18,110 | 00:38:21,810 | 就是說採用所得稅的五等分 |
| 00:38:21,810 | 00:38:24,210 | 主要是我們用參考的性質 |
| 00:38:24,210 | 00:38:25,890 | 來訂定免學費 |
| 00:38:25,890 | 00:38:27,050 | 為什麼用參考的性質 |
| 00:38:27,050 | 00:38:29,090 | 第一個行政院主計總處 |
| 00:38:29,090 | 00:38:30,850 | 在公佈這一個所謂的 |
| 00:38:30,850 | 00:38:32,830 | 所得稅的這個五等分 |
| 00:38:32,830 | 00:38:34,490 | 所得五等分的話 |
| 00:38:34,490 | 00:38:37,270 | 是屬於家訪式調查式 |
| 00:38:37,270 | 00:38:39,470 | 他大概調查16000多戶 |
| 00:38:39,470 | 00:38:41,030 | 所以他不是全面性的 |
| 00:38:41,030 | 00:38:43,130 | 一個所得的一個參考 |
| 00:38:43,130 | 00:38:45,530 | 所以說在計算上面 |
| 00:38:45,530 | 00:38:48,050 | 可能會有所謂的時程落後 |
| 00:38:48,050 | 00:38:49,490 | 或者是說沒有辦法 |
| 00:38:49,490 | 00:38:52,290 | 即時回應的這樣的一個狀況 |
| 00:38:52,290 | 00:38:53,850 | 所以是不是建議召委 |
| 00:38:53,850 | 00:38:55,290 | 或者是各位委員 |
| 00:38:55,290 | 00:38:58,890 | 可以在羅昭偉的版本上面呢 |
| 00:38:58,890 | 00:39:02,470 | 是以政府參考家庭所得五等分 |
| 00:39:02,470 | 00:39:05,010 | 及其他財政調查進況之後 |
| 00:39:05,010 | 00:39:07,410 | 可以免納學費的這樣的一個情形 |
| 00:39:07,410 | 00:39:08,870 | 好 不好意思 |
| 00:39:08,870 | 00:39:10,970 | 因為我們審議的過程在加速 |
| 00:39:10,970 | 00:39:13,210 | 所以我們就不用再跟大家分析 |
| 00:39:13,230 | 00:39:16,130 | 各個委員的一個提案版本了 |
| 00:39:16,130 | 00:39:17,970 | 就直接教育部告訴我們 |
| 00:39:17,970 | 00:39:19,370 | 你覺得哪一個版本 |
| 00:39:19,370 | 00:39:21,410 | 大家可以透過你的建議 |
| 00:39:21,410 | 00:39:22,610 | 來凝聚一個共識 |
| 00:39:22,610 | 00:39:23,950 | 我們採納哪一個人的版本 |
| 00:39:23,950 | 00:39:26,810 | 那剛剛教育部的建議是說 |
| 00:39:28,040 | 00:39:29,920 | 採用我的提案 |
| 00:39:29,920 | 00:39:31,560 | 是用這樣子的一個五等分 |
| 00:39:32,220 | 00:39:33,460 | 的建議 對嘛 |
| 00:39:33,460 | 00:39:36,860 | 那大概會評估大概一百多億 |
| 00:39:38,760 | 00:39:40,640 | 請問其他委員有意見嗎 |
| 00:39:43,460 | 00:39:46,500 | 你說用我的版本是入法嘛 對不對 |
| 00:39:49,410 | 00:39:52,850 | 是入法還是在立法說明 |
| 00:39:52,850 | 00:39:56,850 | 在原本委員的文字當中 |
| 00:39:56,850 | 00:39:57,890 | 我們寫說 |
| 00:39:57,890 | 00:40:00,690 | 因為原本委員是直接採用 |
| 00:40:00,690 | 00:40:02,129 | 五等分的方式 |
| 00:40:02,129 | 00:40:04,649 | 那我們現在建議是不是可以用 |
| 00:40:04,649 | 00:40:07,089 | 經政府參考 |
| 00:40:07,089 | 00:40:10,770 | 那個所得五等分最低20% |
| 00:40:10,770 | 00:40:14,069 | 以及相關資料後免納學費 |
| 00:40:14,069 | 00:40:15,609 | 這樣的一個文字 |
| 00:40:15,609 | 00:40:18,370 | 所以你又在我的文字之間 |
| 00:40:18,370 | 00:40:20,529 | 又再加了兩個字參考就對了 |
| 00:40:21,420 | 00:40:23,660 | 好 但沒有共識 |
| 00:40:24,630 | 00:40:25,190 | 沒有共識 |
| 00:40:26,720 | 00:40:27,359 | 可以 |
| 00:40:27,359 | 00:40:28,520 | 你拿我的文字 |
| 00:40:28,520 | 00:40:30,040 | 然後跟我講說只參考 |
| 00:40:30,040 | 00:40:32,080 | 我是直接就要用我的法 |
| 00:40:32,080 | 00:40:33,959 | 或者是你直接說不要用我的法 |
| 00:40:33,959 | 00:40:34,839 | 那你拿我的文字 |
| 00:40:34,839 | 00:40:36,240 | 又說要參考一下 |
| 00:40:36,240 | 00:40:38,240 | 這樣等於沒有強制性 |
| 00:40:38,240 | 00:40:41,640 | 那就我沒辦法解釋 |
| 00:40:41,640 | 00:40:42,279 | 我是要提 |
| 00:40:42,279 | 00:40:43,240 | 吳立華委員請說發言 |
| 00:40:43,240 | 00:40:44,720 | 好 謝謝主席 |
| 00:40:44,720 | 00:40:45,520 | 是這樣子的 |
| 00:40:45,520 | 00:40:48,240 | 我這邊是想要做修正動議 |
| 00:40:48,240 | 00:40:49,560 | 那最主要的原因 |
| 00:40:49,560 | 00:40:52,520 | 因為我覺得大家的一致的目的 |
| 00:40:52,520 | 00:40:55,600 | 都是希望針對需要的這些學生 |
| 00:40:55,600 | 00:40:57,279 | 免納學費 |
| 00:40:57,279 | 00:41:00,880 | 但是我看了一下數據之後 |
| 00:41:00,880 | 00:41:03,600 | 成如剛才教育部所說的 |
| 00:41:03,600 | 00:41:06,720 | 就是採這種12% |
| 00:41:06,720 | 00:41:09,120 | 可能會變成它的涵瓜性 |
| 00:41:09,120 | 00:41:11,759 | 已經變成高教義務教育了 |
| 00:41:11,759 | 00:41:13,360 | 又或者是說 |
| 00:41:13,360 | 00:41:16,640 | 用這種所謂的五分法20%的 |
| 00:41:16,640 | 00:41:20,480 | 那我覺得最大的困擾是在於 |
| 00:41:20,480 | 00:41:24,400 | 可能沒有辦法去精準的了解 |
| 00:41:24,400 | 00:41:28,320 | 哪一些學生是可以來做申請 |
| 00:41:28,320 | 00:41:30,280 | 可以免納學費 |
| 00:41:30,280 | 00:41:31,880 | 所以我才希望說 |
| 00:41:31,880 | 00:41:36,880 | 有沒有可能就是就這個新增第二項 |
| 00:41:36,880 | 00:41:39,000 | 就是針對家庭所的五等分 |
| 00:41:39,000 | 00:41:42,840 | 最低20%的這個免繳納學費 |
| 00:41:42,840 | 00:41:45,000 | 然後新增第三項 |
| 00:41:45,000 | 00:41:48,080 | 就是訂定免納學費的經費來源 |
| 00:41:48,080 | 00:41:49,880 | 跟請撥的方式 |
| 00:41:49,880 | 00:41:53,320 | 那再來就是原來的這個第二項 |
| 00:41:53,360 | 00:41:55,160 | 調整到第四項 |
| 00:41:55,160 | 00:41:57,120 | 然後修正它的後段 |
| 00:41:57,120 | 00:42:00,800 | 說貸款利息由教育部編列預算 |
| 00:42:00,800 | 00:42:02,040 | 全額補助 |
| 00:42:02,040 | 00:42:05,560 | 還有利息補助的辦法由教育部定支 |
| 00:42:05,560 | 00:42:07,160 | 那最後就是希望 |
| 00:42:07,160 | 00:42:09,560 | 為了使規範更加的明確 |
| 00:42:09,560 | 00:42:13,160 | 符合學生他實際的貸款需求 |
| 00:42:13,160 | 00:42:15,240 | 那至於那個修正第四項 |
| 00:42:15,240 | 00:42:17,000 | 我看大家應該沒什麼意見 |
| 00:42:17,000 | 00:42:20,480 | 就是資訊設備及網路通訊使用費 |
| 00:42:20,480 | 00:42:22,280 | 那明定已經開始償還 |
| 00:42:22,280 | 00:42:23,920 | 就學貸款的學生 |
| 00:42:23,920 | 00:42:26,480 | 政府提供還款的協助措施 |
| 00:42:26,480 | 00:42:29,520 | 減輕他貸款人的還款壓力 |
| 00:42:29,520 | 00:42:31,560 | 讓他更加的明確 |
| 00:42:31,560 | 00:42:32,760 | 所以這個部分 |
| 00:42:32,760 | 00:42:35,360 | 我是想說落實教育的平權 |
| 00:42:35,360 | 00:42:38,160 | 避免學生他因為家庭的所得 |
| 00:42:38,160 | 00:42:41,000 | 或者他其他經濟不利的條件 |
| 00:42:41,000 | 00:42:42,440 | 影響到他 |
| 00:42:42,440 | 00:42:46,200 | 像我們原住民的學生就很嚴重 |
| 00:42:46,200 | 00:42:48,040 | 像113年度 |
| 00:42:48,040 | 00:42:51,800 | 跟一般大專學生的出債學歷落差 |
| 00:42:51,800 | 00:42:53,960 | 是38.3% |
| 00:42:53,960 | 00:42:55,640 | 但是新的一年度 |
| 00:42:55,640 | 00:42:58,840 | 114年去年剛剛公布出來 |
| 00:42:58,840 | 00:43:01,880 | 竟然又漲1%39.6% |
| 00:43:01,880 | 00:43:04,280 | 所以我覺得這個經濟因素 |
| 00:43:04,280 | 00:43:07,680 | 確實是我們要幫助弱勢學生排除 |
| 00:43:07,680 | 00:43:09,320 | 所以這一條我覺得很好 |
| 00:43:09,320 | 00:43:10,120 | 雖然我沒有 |
| 00:43:10,120 | 00:43:13,880 | 但是我希望讓他能夠更明確化 |
| 00:43:13,880 | 00:43:16,480 | 不要讓學校不知道要怎麼幫忙 |
| 00:43:16,480 | 00:43:18,560 | 讓他們能夠得到及時的幫助 |
| 00:43:18,560 | 00:43:20,800 | 所以希望做這樣的一個修正動議 |
| 00:43:20,920 | 00:43:21,920 | 好 謝謝 |
| 00:43:21,920 | 00:43:23,360 | 我們先來麻煩 |
| 00:43:23,360 | 00:43:25,840 | 我們這個武力華委員的修正動議 |
| 00:43:25,840 | 00:43:27,640 | 是不是能夠呈現給大家 |
| 00:43:27,640 | 00:43:29,200 | 先印給我們看一下 |
| 00:43:29,200 | 00:43:29,480 | 好不好 |
| 00:43:29,480 | 00:43:32,640 | 但是我也希望真的民進黨的黨團 |
| 00:43:32,640 | 00:43:34,400 | 民眾黨的黨團同意 |
| 00:43:34,400 | 00:43:37,480 | 我想今天葉元之委員羅志祥委員 |
| 00:43:37,480 | 00:43:38,320 | 來陪著我們 |
| 00:43:38,320 | 00:43:39,240 | 我們大家都很關心 |
| 00:43:39,240 | 00:43:42,320 | 第345條大學法的一個修正 |
| 00:43:42,320 | 00:43:44,880 | 我們更希望在就讀大學 |
| 00:43:44,880 | 00:43:47,800 | 以及大學以上的經濟弱勢學生 |
| 00:43:47,800 | 00:43:49,520 | 其家庭所得5等分 |
| 00:43:49,520 | 00:43:51,880 | 最低20%免納學費 |
| 00:43:51,880 | 00:43:54,560 | 能夠清楚明確的入法 |
| 00:43:54,560 | 00:43:57,080 | 而且我清楚明確的寫到 |
| 00:43:57,080 | 00:44:01,800 | 這沒有具有中華民國國籍者不得適用 |
| 00:44:01,800 | 00:44:03,200 | 就是清楚要保障說 |
| 00:44:03,200 | 00:44:05,120 | 我國所有的孩子 |
| 00:44:05,120 | 00:44:09,640 | 在就學過程當中能夠被接住 |
| 00:44:09,640 | 00:44:12,360 | 我們在這個就讀大學的過程當中 |
| 00:44:12,360 | 00:44:13,560 | 大家都知道學代 |
| 00:44:13,560 | 00:44:16,440 | 畢竟還是讓所有的大學生 |
| 00:44:16,440 | 00:44:17,680 | 有一定的壓力 |
| 00:44:17,720 | 00:44:21,480 | 除了社會他並沒有辦法輕裝上陣 |
| 00:44:21,480 | 00:44:24,640 | 要進入社會又有許多的一些門檻 |
| 00:44:24,640 | 00:44:28,040 | 自己又自帶了一些學代的壓力 |
| 00:44:28,040 | 00:44:30,759 | 我本身自己也是這個早上 |
| 00:44:31,870 | 00:44:34,870 | 工作晚上讀書的孩子 |
| 00:44:34,870 | 00:44:37,790 | 那我想我跟所有的大學生 |
| 00:44:37,790 | 00:44:40,310 | 多數都有這樣子的一個擔憂 |
| 00:44:40,310 | 00:44:42,990 | 以及承擔的這個壓力 |
| 00:44:42,990 | 00:44:46,470 | 也希望說能夠獲得今天更多的共識 |
| 00:44:46,470 | 00:44:49,069 | 所以很感謝其他委員提出的建議 |
| 00:44:49,069 | 00:44:50,310 | 那今天有修正動議 |
| 00:44:50,310 | 00:44:52,350 | 我們盡量的凝聚共識 |
| 00:44:52,350 | 00:44:54,950 | 但是剛剛就教育部跟我講說 |
| 00:44:54,950 | 00:44:57,910 | 如果只是僅供參考的話 |
| 00:44:57,910 | 00:44:58,990 | 我會有擔憂 |
| 00:44:58,990 | 00:45:00,670 | 也希望說教育部能夠體諒 |
| 00:45:00,670 | 00:45:02,550 | 站在學生的立場 |
| 00:45:02,550 | 00:45:05,110 | 站在這些經濟弱勢 |
| 00:45:05,110 | 00:45:05,830 | 國人的立場 |
| 00:45:05,830 | 00:45:10,030 | 我必須要更有魄力的去完成這件事情 |
| 00:45:10,030 | 00:45:12,550 | 那我相信在座的武力華委員 |
| 00:45:12,550 | 00:45:14,350 | 跟著我們一起在這邊坐著談 |
| 00:45:14,350 | 00:45:16,110 | 蔡處長委員在這邊 |
| 00:45:16,110 | 00:45:17,070 | 還有羅志強 |
| 00:45:17,070 | 00:45:17,830 | 葉元志委員 |
| 00:45:17,830 | 00:45:19,190 | 大家就是要把事情解決 |
| 00:45:19,190 | 00:45:21,270 | 所以我希望事情不要模擬兩可 |
| 00:45:21,270 | 00:45:23,310 | 讓這些孩子能夠真正被接觸 |
| 00:45:23,310 | 00:45:26,710 | 他們也會能夠有機會在 |
| 00:45:26,710 | 00:45:29,590 | 除了社會能夠更加的輕裝上陣 |
| 00:45:29,630 | 00:45:31,430 | 因應整個社會的 |
| 00:45:31,430 | 00:45:32,910 | 不管是高通膨 |
| 00:45:32,910 | 00:45:35,790 | 高物價能夠有所的支撐 |
| 00:45:35,790 | 00:45:36,510 | 這個部分 |
| 00:45:36,510 | 00:45:37,110 | 我希望說 |
| 00:45:37,110 | 00:45:39,510 | 待會我們現在凝聚一下共識 |
| 00:45:39,510 | 00:45:40,630 | 我們是不是先 |
| 00:45:41,500 | 00:45:42,860 | 休息五分鐘 |
| 00:45:42,860 | 00:45:44,700 | 看一下你的修正動力 |
| 00:45:45,260 | 00:45:45,860 | 好嗎 |
| 00:45:46,680 | 00:45:47,960 | 武力華委員可以嗎 |
| 00:45:47,960 | 00:45:48,400 | 好 |
| 00:45:48,400 | 00:45:49,040 | 謝謝 |
| 00:45:49,040 | 00:45:49,600 | 休息五分鐘 |
| 00:50:15,220 | 00:50:16,180 | 好 正常開會 |
| 00:50:20,270 | 00:50:23,910 | 好 剛剛休息討論的時候 |
| 00:50:23,910 | 00:50:26,590 | 那我再唸一次這個條文修正 |
| 00:50:26,590 | 00:50:28,230 | 那由教育部 |
| 00:50:28,230 | 00:50:30,630 | 還有委員大家一起討論 |
| 00:50:41,130 | 00:50:44,170 | 查調等經濟情形後 |
| 00:50:44,170 | 00:50:45,130 | 免納學費 |
| 00:50:45,130 | 00:50:47,850 | 但未具有中華民國國籍 |
| 00:50:47,850 | 00:50:49,970 | 還有戶籍者不適用資 |
| 00:50:51,310 | 00:50:54,110 | 那你們有增加這一個參考 |
| 00:50:54,110 | 00:50:56,310 | 那我很簡單的幾個問題 |
| 00:50:56,310 | 00:50:58,390 | 就是請教育部要再確認給我回答 |
| 00:50:58,390 | 00:50:59,070 | 就是說 |
| 00:50:59,070 | 00:51:00,830 | 在整個調查的過程 |
| 00:51:00,830 | 00:51:03,630 | 你認為這樣子的方式是最能夠 |
| 00:51:03,630 | 00:51:05,710 | 達到公平性 |
| 00:51:05,710 | 00:51:07,070 | 調查完整度 |
| 00:51:07,070 | 00:51:09,470 | 然後以及真的能夠接觸到 |
| 00:51:09,470 | 00:51:12,150 | 後二十等份所有的孩子 |
| 00:51:12,150 | 00:51:14,710 | 那你也要大概估算 |
| 00:51:15,480 | 00:51:16,960 | 是不是增加大概一百多億 |
| 00:51:18,160 | 00:51:19,120 | 請你回答 |
| 00:51:19,120 | 00:51:19,400 | 以上 |
| 00:51:22,740 | 00:51:25,779 | 跟宅委各位委員報告 |
| 00:51:25,779 | 00:51:28,860 | 我們目前可以參照的一個做法 |
| 00:51:28,860 | 00:51:30,820 | 是教育部有個弱勢住學計畫 |
| 00:51:30,820 | 00:51:35,700 | 裡面規定30萬 40萬 70萬 90萬以下的同學 |
| 00:51:35,700 | 00:51:36,779 | 我們會給他住學金 |
| 00:51:36,779 | 00:51:40,940 | 我們就是根據財稅資料中心的所得資料 |
| 00:51:40,940 | 00:51:42,300 | 前一年報稅的資料 |
| 00:51:42,300 | 00:51:43,500 | 我們去做 |
| 00:51:43,500 | 00:51:44,860 | 他是不是連所得 |
| 00:51:44,860 | 00:51:45,700 | 那這個是 |
| 00:51:45,700 | 00:51:46,860 | 他連所得是多少 |
| 00:51:46,860 | 00:51:49,259 | 那這個所得是所謂的所 |
| 00:51:49,259 | 00:51:50,660 | 那個所得的總額 |
| 00:51:50,660 | 00:51:52,380 | 那這個部分我們就可以查掉 |
| 00:51:52,780 | 00:51:56,500 | 但是主計總處的最低五等份 |
| 00:51:56,500 | 00:51:57,660 | 家庭的20% |
| 00:51:57,660 | 00:51:58,860 | 他的所得 |
| 00:51:58,860 | 00:52:00,260 | 第一個是剛剛部長提到 |
| 00:52:00,260 | 00:52:02,900 | 他是用所謂的訪談的 |
| 00:52:02,900 | 00:52:04,420 | 他不是根據財稅資料中心 |
| 00:52:04,420 | 00:52:05,300 | 第二個 |
| 00:52:05,300 | 00:52:07,540 | 因為他是可支配所得 |
| 00:52:07,540 | 00:52:09,180 | 他又不是所得總額 |
| 00:52:09,180 | 00:52:11,260 | 我們沒有辦法透過財稅資料中心 |
| 00:52:11,260 | 00:52:13,340 | 去查到可支配所得 |
| 00:52:13,340 | 00:52:14,580 | 那第三個就是說 |
| 00:52:14,580 | 00:52:18,460 | 我們這邊為什麼再加上其他的一個財稅查 |
| 00:52:18,460 | 00:52:19,940 | 查證的資料 |
| 00:52:19,980 | 00:52:22,500 | 主要是因為我們在做弱勢助學的時候 |
| 00:52:22,500 | 00:52:23,460 | 曾經也發現 |
| 00:52:23,460 | 00:52:26,380 | 有些家庭的所得總額是低的 |
| 00:52:26,380 | 00:52:28,340 | 但是他可能有很多不動產 |
| 00:52:28,340 | 00:52:29,500 | 租金 |
| 00:52:29,500 | 00:52:30,980 | 或是利息收入等等 |
| 00:52:30,980 | 00:52:33,940 | 這個也都不會納到所謂的可支配所得 |
| 00:52:33,940 | 00:52:35,820 | 所以這一塊我們是希望說 |
| 00:52:35,820 | 00:52:38,540 | 在委員希望投放的對象 |
| 00:52:38,540 | 00:52:40,220 | 我們精準照顧到 |
| 00:52:40,220 | 00:52:45,340 | 而且又是比較符合我們現場可以去操作查掉的 |
| 00:52:45,340 | 00:52:46,100 | 以上報告 |
| 00:52:46,100 | 00:52:48,140 | 好 經過教育部說明 |
| 00:52:48,180 | 00:52:50,900 | 我們要確保孩子能夠 |
| 00:52:50,900 | 00:52:53,859 | 真正弱勢到的有能夠被接住 |
| 00:52:53,859 | 00:52:57,420 | 那也會增加相對應的一個預算 |
| 00:52:57,420 | 00:52:59,299 | 那教育部這個部分 |
| 00:52:59,299 | 00:53:00,500 | 部長可以回應一下嗎 |
| 00:53:00,500 | 00:53:01,299 | 你可以認同嗎 |
| 00:53:03,840 | 00:53:04,880 | 謝謝委員關心 |
| 00:53:04,880 | 00:53:07,560 | 我們確實認同剛才召委 |
| 00:53:07,560 | 00:53:14,200 | 或者所有在場所有的委員的一些基本的一個觀點價值 |
| 00:53:14,200 | 00:53:16,400 | 就是說我們怎麼樣去接住 |
| 00:53:16,400 | 00:53:18,400 | 這些經濟不利 |
| 00:53:18,400 | 00:53:21,160 | 這個最後面的20%的學生 |
| 00:53:21,160 | 00:53:23,680 | 真正的讓他免納協會能夠 |
| 00:53:23,680 | 00:53:26,320 | 沒有掛例的在大學接受教育 |
| 00:53:26,320 | 00:53:27,800 | 我想這個是肯定的 |
| 00:53:27,800 | 00:53:28,680 | 我們肯定的 |
| 00:53:28,680 | 00:53:29,800 | 可以 全力支持 |
| 00:53:30,900 | 00:53:33,220 | 我們相關的修正動議的文字 |
| 00:53:33,220 | 00:53:35,420 | 已經呈現在我們的螢幕上 |
| 00:53:35,420 | 00:53:37,420 | 基本上剛剛也都討論過了 |
| 00:53:37,420 | 00:53:39,260 | 那吳立華委員的修正動議 |
| 00:53:39,260 | 00:53:40,940 | 我們大家一起簽一簽 |
| 00:53:40,940 | 00:53:42,540 | 把這個部分 |
| 00:53:42,540 | 00:53:43,420 | 把它給完成 |
| 00:53:43,980 | 00:53:44,380 | 好了 |
| 00:53:50,450 | 00:53:50,850 | 好 |
| 00:53:51,870 | 00:53:53,870 | 現在大學法這個版本 |
| 00:53:53,870 | 00:53:57,470 | 我們照協商的內容通過 |
| 00:54:00,220 | 00:54:01,819 | 附帶決議案第三組條 |
| 00:54:01,819 | 00:54:03,220 | 由委員提出 |
| 00:54:03,220 | 00:54:05,220 | 郭育勤委員等人提出附帶決議 |
| 00:54:05,220 | 00:54:06,339 | 由委員要說明嗎 |
| 00:54:07,290 | 00:54:08,010 | 沒有 |
| 00:54:08,010 | 00:54:09,690 | 機關代表要說明嗎 |
| 00:54:14,390 | 00:54:15,870 | 麻煩你們說一下好不好 |
| 00:54:20,010 | 00:54:22,010 | 郭育勤委員的附帶提案 |
| 00:54:22,010 | 00:54:24,010 | 郭委員的附帶決議 |
| 00:54:24,010 | 00:54:27,530 | 就是有提到說要參考這一個五等份 |
| 00:54:27,530 | 00:54:29,010 | 然後精準的投放 |
| 00:54:29,010 | 00:54:31,010 | 那這個原則上跟剛才討論的精神相同 |
| 00:54:31,010 | 00:54:34,010 | 也是跟我的版本一樣 |
| 00:54:34,010 | 00:54:36,250 | 好 我們就照案通過 |
| 00:54:36,800 | 00:54:39,040 | 好 繼續下一個 |
| 00:54:39,670 | 00:54:41,310 | 協商的內容 |
| 00:54:41,310 | 00:54:41,910 | 主題二 |
| 00:54:44,040 | 00:54:45,040 | 教育及文化委員會 |
| 00:54:45,040 | 00:54:47,480 | 合併審查高級中等教育法第58條 |
| 00:54:47,480 | 00:54:48,840 | 條文修正等十一案 |
| 00:54:48,840 | 00:54:50,640 | 本案經115年6月11 |
| 00:54:50,640 | 00:54:54,160 | 召開第十一屆第五會期 |
| 00:54:54,160 | 00:54:55,840 | 第15次會議審查完畢 |
| 00:54:55,840 | 00:54:57,200 | 審查結果第58條 |
| 00:54:57,200 | 00:54:58,800 | 含修正動議保留受院會處理 |
| 00:54:59,730 | 00:55:01,330 | 並決議需交由黨團協商 |
| 00:55:02,150 | 00:55:05,550 | 本院第11屆第五會期第15次第17次院會 |
| 00:55:06,500 | 00:55:08,580 | 將委員萬美齡等17人 |
| 00:55:08,580 | 00:55:12,700 | 擬具高級中等第58條修正草案 |
| 00:55:12,700 | 00:55:14,260 | 等4案禁服惡毒等 |
| 00:55:14,260 | 00:55:16,700 | 與相關提案協商處理 |
| 00:55:17,450 | 00:55:27,569 | 本 |
| 00:55:18,400 | 00:55:21,000 | 本院第五會期第十五次院會 |
| 00:55:22,740 | 00:55:24,100 | 委員郭怡琼等十六人 |
| 00:55:24,100 | 00:55:26,819 | 高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案 |
| 00:55:27,259 | 00:55:29,299 | 及台灣民眾黨團擬具 |
| 00:55:29,299 | 00:55:34,500 | 高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案等七案 |
| 00:55:34,740 | 00:55:39,299 | 第十六次院會將委員郭國文 |
| 00:55:39,299 | 00:55:40,140 | 十八人 |
| 00:55:40,299 | 00:55:43,779 | 高級中等教育法第五十八條條文修正草案 |
| 00:55:44,100 | 00:55:44,700 | 等三案 |
| 00:55:44,859 | 00:55:46,779 | 自教育文化委員會抽出進一步二讀 |
| 00:55:46,899 | 00:55:49,459 | 與相關提案一起協商 |
| 00:55:49,459 | 00:55:49,979 | 以上 |
| 00:55:50,100 | 00:55:52,180 | 各案與今日並案協商 |
| 00:55:52,259 | 00:55:54,180 | 協商條文兩條我們先從第二條開始 |
| 00:55:54,299 | 00:55:56,419 | 現在請黨團代表表示意見 |
| 00:56:04,300 | 00:56:05,620 | 好委員沒有意見 |
| 00:56:05,980 | 00:56:08,340 | 我們請教育部表達意見 |
| 00:56:08,620 | 00:56:09,940 | 我們就精準簡單 |
| 00:56:10,340 | 00:56:12,380 | 那直接就是針對 |
| 00:56:12,660 | 00:56:14,980 | 教育部可不可以去配合委員的提案 |
| 00:56:15,260 | 00:56:19,060 | 好這個部分的話因為我們在高級中等教育法 |
| 00:56:19,060 | 00:56:21,300 | 第36條跟第56條 |
| 00:56:21,500 | 00:56:25,020 | 對於那個免學費跟就學貸款已經有 |
| 00:56:25,220 | 00:56:26,380 | 相關的規定 |
| 00:56:26,540 | 00:56:30,860 | 那待會我們也會進行58條的修正 |
| 00:56:31,020 | 00:56:32,740 | 那這個部分呢 |
| 00:56:33,100 | 00:56:37,620 | 我們是希望能夠維持原來的那個條文 |
| 00:56:37,819 | 00:56:40,899 | 那因為就是對學生補助的部分 |
| 00:56:41,339 | 00:56:44,060 | 如果說這邊只寫學生補助的話 |
| 00:56:44,060 | 00:56:44,419 | 因為 |
| 00:56:45,060 | 00:56:48,819 | 學生因為他本身的那個特性的不同 |
| 00:56:49,060 | 00:56:52,740 | 也對那個學生的補助會規定在 |
| 00:56:52,979 | 00:56:53,859 | 特殊教育法 |
| 00:56:53,859 | 00:56:55,259 | 社會救助法 |
| 00:56:55,299 | 00:56:58,459 | 還有原住民教育法等等不同的那個 |
| 00:56:59,620 | 00:57:00,700 | 母法裡面 |
| 00:57:00,700 | 00:57:04,140 | 所以是希望這裡不用再重複規定 |
| 00:57:04,259 | 00:57:06,339 | 那希望能夠維持原條文 |
| 00:57:06,940 | 00:57:09,620 | 好第二條跟第58條維持原條文 |
| 00:57:10,310 | 00:57:10,790 | 是嗎 |
| 00:57:13,779 | 00:57:15,500 | 好先問你第二條維持原條文 |
| 00:57:15,500 | 00:57:15,899 | 對嗎 |
| 00:57:16,259 | 00:57:16,580 | 好 |
| 00:57:17,910 | 00:57:19,069 | 吳立華委員有沒有意見 |
| 00:57:21,030 | 00:57:21,670 | 我們就 |
| 00:57:22,770 | 00:57:23,410 | 第二條 |
| 00:57:23,970 | 00:57:24,770 | 第二條沒意見 |
| 00:57:24,970 | 00:57:25,970 | 陳總委有沒有意見 |
| 00:57:28,860 | 00:57:30,140 | 院子委員有沒有意見 |
| 00:57:33,820 | 00:57:34,900 | 羅強委員有沒有意見 |
| 00:57:37,720 | 00:57:38,120 | 好 |
| 00:57:39,190 | 00:57:40,990 | 第二條的部分 |
| 00:57:43,270 | 00:57:44,750 | 台灣民眾黨沒有意見嗎 |
| 00:57:48,150 | 00:57:48,990 | 好沒有意見 |
| 00:57:51,620 | 00:57:51,940 | 好 |
| 00:57:52,660 | 00:57:53,420 | 我有意見 |
| 00:57:53,660 | 00:57:54,259 | 我有版本 |
| 00:57:56,120 | 00:57:57,080 | 我是第58條 |
| 00:57:57,560 | 00:57:57,960 | 不好意思 |
| 00:57:59,550 | 00:58:00,150 | 沒意見了 |
| 00:58:02,730 | 00:58:03,490 | OK好 |
| 00:58:04,140 | 00:58:04,900 | 第二條 |
| 00:58:05,550 | 00:58:07,590 | 維持原條文 |
| 00:58:29,200 | 00:58:31,879 | 所以教育部可以再給我一個明確的答案 |
| 00:58:32,610 | 00:58:34,170 | 維持原條文 |
| 00:58:35,030 | 00:58:36,630 | 你可以照顧到這些孩子 |
| 00:58:37,950 | 00:58:38,750 | 請明確回答 |
| 00:58:39,029 | 00:58:39,350 | 謝謝 |
| 00:58:41,210 | 00:58:42,450 | 不好意思聲音可以大聲一點嗎 |
| 00:58:42,450 | 00:58:42,770 | 好 |
| 00:58:44,820 | 00:58:46,380 | 現在已經是免學費了 |
| 00:58:47,100 | 00:58:49,100 | 那有關那個貸款的部分 |
| 00:58:49,100 | 00:58:50,980 | 待會兒我們58條會 |
| 00:58:50,980 | 00:58:51,820 | 會講到我知道 |
| 00:58:51,820 | 00:58:52,580 | 對對對 |
| 00:58:52,740 | 00:58:57,260 | 那至於就是相關的學生補助的措施的那個部分呢 |
| 00:58:57,420 | 00:58:59,100 | 因為它會規範在 |
| 00:58:59,100 | 00:59:00,580 | 因為學生特質的不一樣 |
| 00:59:00,820 | 00:59:03,340 | 如果是特教的就會放在特殊教育法 |
| 00:59:03,540 | 00:59:06,060 | 那如果是原民的就會放在原住民教育法 |
| 00:59:06,260 | 00:59:08,060 | 那如果是因家長因素的 |
| 00:59:08,180 | 00:59:10,580 | 經濟不利會放在社會救助法 |
| 00:59:10,700 | 00:59:14,020 | 所以他們各有相關的協助措施 |
| 00:59:14,220 | 00:59:15,900 | 所以在第二條這邊呢 |
| 00:59:16,100 | 00:59:17,660 | 建議維持原條文 |
| 00:59:17,860 | 00:59:20,460 | 好我們這一個就不修正 |
| 00:59:21,190 | 00:59:23,190 | 維持原條文 |
| 00:59:23,390 | 00:59:23,750 | 以上 |
| 00:59:25,350 | 00:59:26,310 | 第58條 |
| 00:59:26,509 | 00:59:27,630 | 請吳立華委員發言 |
| 00:59:30,620 | 00:59:31,460 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:59:31,779 | 00:59:34,900 | 因為第58條我也是也有版本 |
| 00:59:35,140 | 00:59:38,220 | 但是我是希望至少要保留三件事 |
| 00:59:38,220 | 00:59:39,140 | 第一個就是 |
| 00:59:39,340 | 00:59:40,900 | 數位學習的費用 |
| 00:59:41,220 | 00:59:42,500 | 還款的協助 |
| 00:59:42,700 | 00:59:45,140 | 還有原住民組共同來訂定 |
| 00:59:45,500 | 00:59:48,460 | 那因為8月1號剛剛施行一個新的 |
| 00:59:48,700 | 00:59:49,860 | 就學代管辦法 |
| 00:59:50,100 | 00:59:51,660 | 那其實也已經把這個 |
| 00:59:51,860 | 00:59:54,140 | 電腦及網路通訊費用放進去 |
| 00:59:54,420 | 00:59:56,980 | 所以今天把它寫進母法呢 |
| 00:59:57,259 | 00:59:58,620 | 就是把行政機關 |
| 00:59:58,740 | 01:00:01,020 | 已經承認的基本學習需求 |
| 01:00:01,220 | 01:00:02,660 | 提升到法律保障 |
| 01:00:03,100 | 01:00:05,900 | 那至於有的部分版本是把 |
| 01:00:06,100 | 01:00:08,460 | 150萬元寫進母法裡面 |
| 01:00:08,660 | 01:00:10,060 | 那我的理解是說 |
| 01:00:10,299 | 01:00:11,819 | 要擴大照顧了 |
| 01:00:12,020 | 01:00:14,900 | 但是我會比較傾向不要把金額寫死 |
| 01:00:15,140 | 01:00:18,339 | 因為也許三五年之後就不適合 |
| 01:00:18,540 | 01:00:20,500 | 所以我寧可要求教育部 |
| 01:00:20,740 | 01:00:23,140 | 能夠依法定期檢討 |
| 01:00:23,420 | 01:00:26,940 | 然後明定考量物價居住成本數位需求 |
| 01:00:26,980 | 01:00:29,020 | 以及家庭的撫養負擔等等 |
| 01:00:29,340 | 01:00:32,060 | 那最後就是我的版本是 |
| 01:00:32,260 | 01:00:35,420 | 有一個屬於自己原住民的部分的重點 |
| 01:00:35,620 | 01:00:39,020 | 就是涉及到原住民族學生的資格 |
| 01:00:39,220 | 01:00:41,380 | 額度還有還款的協助 |
| 01:00:41,580 | 01:00:44,940 | 希望由教育部會同原民會共同訂定 |
| 01:00:45,180 | 01:00:48,100 | 那原住民族學生面對的就學成本 |
| 01:00:48,300 | 01:00:50,100 | 結構本來就不一樣 |
| 01:00:50,300 | 01:00:51,940 | 所以我希望大家可以同意 |
| 01:00:52,140 | 01:00:53,860 | 把我這個部分一定要留下 |
| 01:00:54,060 | 01:00:55,260 | 因為我要再次重申 |
| 01:00:55,620 | 01:00:58,380 | 113年學年度 |
| 01:00:58,580 | 01:01:01,220 | 我們的高等教育的學生 |
| 01:01:01,420 | 01:01:04,660 | 竟然跟一般的大學生 |
| 01:01:04,860 | 01:01:07,060 | 在學率落差到38.3 |
| 01:01:07,260 | 01:01:10,500 | 然後111年又增加到39.6 |
| 01:01:10,700 | 01:01:12,700 | 我覺得非常的痛心 |
| 01:01:12,900 | 01:01:14,980 | 所以希望這個部分大家共同支持 |
| 01:01:15,180 | 01:01:15,700 | 謝謝 |
| 01:01:16,670 | 01:01:21,030 | 好 所以您是要具體的文字是什麼 |
| 01:01:21,970 | 01:01:24,890 | 就直接保留你的那個文字內容 |
| 01:01:25,700 | 01:01:26,220 | 好 |
| 01:01:31,880 | 01:01:33,200 | 尊重委員 請發言 |
| 01:01:36,570 | 01:01:39,010 | 好 那麼這一條我表達一下 |
| 01:01:39,210 | 01:01:41,890 | 那個本黨的意見 |
| 01:01:42,090 | 01:01:44,330 | 那因為這一個攜帶 |
| 01:01:44,530 | 01:01:45,330 | 它的一個資格 |
| 01:01:45,530 | 01:01:48,090 | 還有家庭所得的一個標準 |
| 01:01:48,290 | 01:01:51,290 | 大致是跟那個吳委員差不多 |
| 01:01:51,490 | 01:01:54,370 | 但是我們在這裡也是要再重申 |
| 01:01:54,570 | 01:01:56,930 | 就是說必須要申請 |
| 01:01:57,130 | 01:01:59,250 | 門檻這個要定期 |
| 01:01:59,450 | 01:02:01,370 | 定期來檢討 |
| 01:02:01,570 | 01:02:05,370 | 然後來讓這個制度能夠更完整 |
| 01:02:05,890 | 01:02:06,290 | 以上 |
| 01:02:07,840 | 01:02:10,320 | 好 我的版本跟大家報告 |
| 01:02:10,520 | 01:02:12,800 | 雖然我是寫說150萬 |
| 01:02:13,000 | 01:02:14,720 | 但是我認同可以就是 |
| 01:02:14,920 | 01:02:18,000 | 逐年的來做一個追蹤 |
| 01:02:18,200 | 01:02:19,280 | 來訂定標準 |
| 01:02:19,480 | 01:02:22,320 | 因為畢竟我們不可能每一年都去修這個法 |
| 01:02:22,520 | 01:02:25,520 | 但是這個主要的文字上的呈現 |
| 01:02:25,720 | 01:02:30,600 | 是不是請委員能夠修正出更好的文字 |
| 01:02:30,800 | 01:02:33,680 | 那我是建議這一條就先保留 |
| 01:02:34,890 | 01:02:35,450 | 好吧 |
| 01:02:36,150 | 01:02:39,510 | 好 本條條例我們就是保留 |
| 01:02:46,550 | 01:02:47,710 | 建議文字要趕快出來 |
| 01:02:47,910 | 01:02:48,510 | 如果沒有的話 |
| 01:02:48,710 | 01:02:50,790 | 我們到時候就是送院會直接投票 |
| 01:02:51,560 | 01:02:52,040 | 好 |
| 01:02:53,690 | 01:02:54,210 | 好 |
| 01:02:55,680 | 01:02:56,839 | 補充宣告 |
| 01:02:58,730 | 01:03:00,530 | 我們處理剛剛前一項 |
| 01:03:01,200 | 01:03:03,200 | 就是第一案 |
| 01:03:03,399 | 01:03:04,480 | 已經有結論了 |
| 01:03:04,680 | 01:03:06,520 | 宣讀協商的結論 |
| 01:03:06,720 | 01:03:09,640 | 協商的結論我簡單跟大家講一下 |
| 01:03:09,839 | 01:03:11,919 | 剛剛簽名的那一張 |
| 01:03:19,450 | 01:03:20,250 | 不是不是不是 |
| 01:03:22,120 | 01:03:25,120 | 好 第三十五條照協商內容通過 |
| 01:03:25,319 | 01:03:26,520 | 我們後面附贈 |
| 01:03:26,720 | 01:03:29,240 | 通過附帶決議共一項 |
| 01:03:29,440 | 01:03:31,120 | 那個也麻煩協商代表 |
| 01:03:31,840 | 01:03:32,440 | 有沒有意義 |
| 01:03:33,170 | 01:03:33,970 | 沒有意義 |
| 01:03:34,170 | 01:03:36,370 | 通過請各位委員來簽名 |
| 01:03:36,570 | 01:03:37,370 | 好 再來 |
| 01:03:37,570 | 01:03:38,970 | 我們繼續回到第58條 |
| 01:03:39,170 | 01:03:40,370 | 第58條就是保留 |
| 01:03:40,570 | 01:03:41,370 | 下一案 |
| 01:03:44,400 | 01:03:45,000 | 保留 |
| 01:03:45,780 | 01:03:46,980 | 好 宣讀協商 |
| 01:03:47,180 | 01:03:49,980 | 宣布協商的結論 |
| 01:03:50,180 | 01:03:51,980 | 第58條保留 |
| 01:03:53,420 | 01:03:54,620 | 好 打印就這麼認為好 |
| 01:03:54,820 | 01:03:55,220 | 我們繼續往後 |
| 01:03:57,630 | 01:03:58,630 | 保留 對 保留 |
| 01:03:59,460 | 01:04:00,460 | 第二條不予修正 |
| 01:04:00,660 | 01:04:02,060 | 維持現行條文 |
| 01:04:02,260 | 01:04:03,460 | 第58條保留 |
| 01:04:03,660 | 01:04:04,660 | 好 我們繼續往下推進 |
| 01:04:06,010 | 01:04:06,810 | 有沒有意見 |
| 01:04:07,700 | 01:04:08,899 | 沒有 好 繼續往下 |
| 01:04:10,730 | 01:04:11,530 | 主題三 |
| 01:04:11,730 | 01:04:12,730 | 教育文化委員會報告 |
| 01:04:12,930 | 01:04:17,130 | 並按審查專科學校法第四十四條 |
| 01:04:17,330 | 01:04:19,130 | 調修正等十六案 |
| 01:04:19,330 | 01:04:21,730 | 那有委員一樣抽金富二讀 |
| 01:04:21,930 | 01:04:23,130 | 並按協商 |
| 01:04:23,330 | 01:04:24,530 | 協商條文有兩條 |
| 01:04:24,730 | 01:04:25,930 | 我們先從第四十條開始 |
| 01:04:26,130 | 01:04:27,330 | 請各位黨團表示意見 |
| 01:04:39,490 | 01:04:40,490 | 拿一個 |
| 01:04:42,410 | 01:04:43,610 | 我們就並按審查 |
| 01:04:43,810 | 01:04:44,610 | 下一案 |
| 01:04:44,810 | 01:04:45,410 | 下一案 |
| 01:04:47,360 | 01:04:47,960 | 好 |
| 01:04:49,129 | 01:04:50,930 | 專科學校法第四十四條 |
| 01:04:51,129 | 01:04:51,730 | 第四十九條 |
| 01:04:51,930 | 01:04:54,529 | 我們先從第四十四條開始 |
| 01:04:54,730 | 01:04:56,129 | 請委員提出意見 |
| 01:04:57,240 | 01:04:58,240 | 委員沒有意見 |
| 01:04:58,440 | 01:05:00,240 | 我們請教育部提出 |
| 01:05:00,840 | 01:05:01,840 | 意見 |
| 01:05:03,919 | 01:05:04,919 | 直接說明 |
| 01:05:05,120 | 01:05:06,120 | 能夠符合 |
| 01:05:06,319 | 01:05:07,120 | 什麼樣的版本 |
| 01:05:07,319 | 01:05:07,720 | 謝謝 |
| 01:05:07,919 | 01:05:08,720 | 跟章偉報告 |
| 01:05:08,919 | 01:05:10,319 | 因為我們剛才第一案 |
| 01:05:10,520 | 01:05:11,720 | 已經討論大學法了 |
| 01:05:11,919 | 01:05:14,520 | 所以是不是在基於那個基礎上 |
| 01:05:14,720 | 01:05:16,319 | 我們這邊參照配合 |
| 01:05:16,520 | 01:05:17,720 | 就增加一項 |
| 01:05:19,320 | 01:05:21,520 | 五專後兩年跟二專的 |
| 01:05:21,720 | 01:05:25,520 | 我們基本上就是以大學法 |
| 01:05:25,720 | 01:05:26,920 | 剛剛第一案 |
| 01:05:27,120 | 01:05:28,320 | 來的精神 |
| 01:05:28,520 | 01:05:30,320 | 來修專科法 |
| 01:05:30,520 | 01:05:32,920 | 那一樣把專科的孩子 |
| 01:05:33,120 | 01:05:35,520 | 一樣比照剛剛大學法的 |
| 01:05:35,720 | 01:05:37,120 | 五等份先討 |
| 01:05:37,320 | 01:05:37,720 | 學法 |
| 01:05:37,920 | 01:05:39,920 | 後二十%來做照顧 |
| 01:05:40,120 | 01:05:40,920 | 這樣子對嗎 |
| 01:05:41,120 | 01:05:42,920 | 那我們就先修正動議 |
| 01:05:43,120 | 01:05:44,720 | 修正動議先送出 |
| 01:05:46,700 | 01:05:47,700 | 五專的後兩年 |
| 01:05:47,900 | 01:05:49,500 | 但是我們還有二計 |
| 01:05:49,700 | 01:05:51,300 | 所以二專的這個故事 |
| 01:05:51,770 | 01:05:53,370 | 請修正文字出來 |
| 01:06:07,540 | 01:06:09,140 | 我們文字已經呈現在螢幕上 |
| 01:06:09,339 | 01:06:12,140 | 基本上精神都與大學法的部分 |
| 01:06:12,339 | 01:06:13,140 | 是一樣的 |
| 01:06:21,300 | 01:06:22,300 | 我要直接免納 |
| 01:06:22,500 | 01:06:23,300 | 請把德拿掉 |
| 01:06:28,470 | 01:06:29,470 | 要不要加個音 |
| 01:06:30,380 | 01:06:31,380 | 加個音啊 |
| 01:06:33,030 | 01:06:35,030 | 免納學費有加個音有差嗎 |
| 01:06:35,910 | 01:06:36,910 | 多送我一個字 |
| 01:06:37,109 | 01:06:37,910 | 寫個音 |
| 01:06:42,650 | 01:06:43,650 | 學費 |
| 01:06:43,850 | 01:06:44,850 | 好有沒有意見 |
| 01:06:45,050 | 01:06:47,250 | 沒有意見我們就照修正通過 |
| 01:06:53,970 | 01:06:54,970 | 我們應給學生 |
| 01:06:55,169 | 01:06:55,970 | 免納學費 |
| 01:06:56,169 | 01:06:57,970 | 所以這邊用免納學費 |
| 01:06:58,169 | 01:06:59,169 | 就是學生主體 |
| 01:06:59,370 | 01:06:59,970 | 就是學生主體 |
| 01:07:01,360 | 01:07:03,360 | 三組 |
| 01:07:06,630 | 01:07:08,630 | 你要記得要免納學費 |
| 01:07:08,830 | 01:07:10,630 | 不要到時候我回來又找你 |
| 01:07:11,630 | 01:07:13,630 | 下一個會期 |
| 01:07:14,930 | 01:07:16,930 | 就可能原汁當招尾 |
| 01:07:17,129 | 01:07:17,930 | 原汁有可能又叫我要當 |
| 01:07:18,129 | 01:07:19,930 | 不要再讓我為這件事情再繼續了 |
| 01:07:20,129 | 01:07:20,930 | 好拜託拜託 |
| 01:07:22,590 | 01:07:24,590 | 好有沒有意見沒有意見 |
| 01:07:24,790 | 01:07:26,590 | 照修正文字通過 |
| 01:07:26,940 | 01:07:29,940 | 照協商內容的部分來通過 |
| 01:07:31,160 | 01:07:32,160 | 福袋決議一案 |
| 01:07:32,870 | 01:07:34,870 | 我們就武力華委員福袋決議 |
| 01:07:35,890 | 01:07:36,890 | 好 |
| 01:07:37,590 | 01:07:38,590 | 給大家簽名謝謝 |
| 01:07:40,410 | 01:07:42,410 | 好照協商內容 |
| 01:07:45,390 | 01:07:47,390 | 就照案通過協商內容照單 |
| 01:07:47,589 | 01:07:49,390 | 福袋決議照案通過 |
| 01:07:49,589 | 01:07:52,390 | 因為基本上也是與大學法精神是一樣的 |
| 01:07:52,589 | 01:07:53,390 | 對嗎武力華委員 |
| 01:07:54,630 | 01:07:55,630 | 對好 |
| 01:07:59,880 | 01:08:01,880 | 協商取得共識 |
| 01:08:02,080 | 01:08:06,880 | 那我們就照宣讀協商的結論 |
| 01:08:07,080 | 01:08:11,880 | 請問各位委員就剛剛我們在呈現螢幕上的這些文字內容 |
| 01:08:12,080 | 01:08:12,880 | 由一 |
| 01:08:13,350 | 01:08:16,350 | 沒有意義請各位委員簽署協商結論 |
| 01:08:19,359 | 01:08:21,359 | 接下來我們處理 |
| 01:08:22,020 | 01:08:23,020 | 第四十 |
| 01:08:24,600 | 01:08:26,600 | 第 |
| 01:08:26,600 | 01:08:27,600 | 沒有沒有他不是有兩條 |
| 01:08:27,600 | 01:08:28,600 | 四十九條 |
| 01:08:31,220 | 01:08:33,220 | 好請教一步直接說明好嗎謝謝 |
| 01:08:35,319 | 01:08:37,319 | 跟我們因為我們這 |
| 01:08:37,519 | 01:08:41,319 | 第一那一次一百零三年是配合十二年國教有納免學費 |
| 01:08:41,519 | 01:08:44,319 | 好啊除此之外這次又有助學措施等等 |
| 01:08:44,519 | 01:08:49,319 | 所以為了有所區隔就把適應系的那個日期做一個補充說明 |
| 01:08:49,519 | 01:08:50,319 | 以上 |
| 01:08:50,729 | 01:08:51,729 | 所以你的文字是什麼 |
| 01:08:52,850 | 01:08:57,850 | 就是除了一百零三年六月十八日修正公佈的四十四條 |
| 01:08:58,050 | 01:08:59,850 | 是一百零三年施行外 |
| 01:09:00,050 | 01:09:04,850 | 其他都自公就是本次修正的嘛就是自本次公佈施行日施行 |
| 01:09:05,050 | 01:09:07,850 | 因為那個十二年國教免學費在一百零三年已經實施了 |
| 01:09:08,050 | 01:09:12,850 | 就是你透過每一個年度的寫清楚然後讓他們來公佈執行嗎好 |
| 01:09:13,930 | 01:09:14,930 | 有意義 |
| 01:09:15,890 | 01:09:19,890 | 沒有意義照協商的內容來通過 |
| 01:09:20,870 | 01:09:23,870 | 好第四四條的結論是照修正動議 |
| 01:09:25,000 | 01:09:33,000 | 我們來協商內容通過第四十九條照協商的內容通過以上 |
| 01:09:33,740 | 01:09:34,740 | 有意義 |
| 01:09:35,649 | 01:09:36,649 | 沒有意義 |
| 01:09:37,000 | 01:09:38,000 | 附帶決議 |
| 01:09:38,300 | 01:09:42,300 | 也一樣一案我們就通過有意義 |
| 01:09:42,580 | 01:09:43,580 | 沒有意義 |
| 01:09:45,250 | 01:09:50,250 | OK好那我們就請各位委員簽署協商結論謝謝我們繼續推進 |
| 01:09:56,400 | 01:09:57,400 | 嗯好 |
| 01:09:59,340 | 01:10:01,340 | 好接下來第四主題是 |
| 01:10:02,230 | 01:10:04,230 | 教育文化委員會併案審查客製人 |
| 01:10:05,800 | 01:10:09,800 | 吳佩奕羅廷維高級重點教育法第二十條條文修正 |
| 01:10:09,800 | 01:10:10,800 | 審查結果 |
| 01:10:12,910 | 01:10:14,910 | 我們第二十條 |
| 01:10:15,840 | 01:10:20,840 | 現在要送院會處理並決議教育黨的協商所以第二十條的部分 |
| 01:10:28,790 | 01:10:29,790 | 會下屬同意 |
| 01:10:31,200 | 01:10:33,200 | 院會處理 |
| 01:10:33,610 | 01:10:35,610 | 有說過上次還糾結這麼久 |
| 01:10:35,610 | 01:10:36,610 | 上次不就為這個 |
| 01:10:36,610 | 01:10:37,610 | 對對啊他現在狗屁了 |
| 01:10:41,350 | 01:10:44,350 | 好現在有委員客製人附帶決議 |
| 01:10:44,350 | 01:10:47,350 | 希望維持原條文但是附帶決議 |
| 01:10:47,890 | 01:10:48,890 | 有沒有委員有意見 |
| 01:10:51,590 | 01:10:52,590 | 委員都無意見 |
| 01:10:52,590 | 01:10:55,590 | 我們照協商的內容喔 |
| 01:10:55,590 | 01:10:57,590 | 就是以本條 |
| 01:10:57,590 | 01:11:00,590 | 維持原條文但不予修正 |
| 01:11:00,590 | 01:11:02,590 | 但是有附帶決議 |
| 01:11:02,590 | 01:11:04,590 | 附帶決議一案通過 |
| 01:11:05,910 | 01:11:07,910 | 有意 |
| 01:11:07,430 | 01:11:08,430 | 沒有意義 |
| 01:11:08,430 | 01:11:09,430 | 好我們繼續往下 |
| 01:11:10,300 | 01:11:13,300 | 請各位委員簽署剛剛協商的結論喔 |
| 01:11:13,300 | 01:11:14,300 | 麻煩大家謝謝 |
| 01:11:17,250 | 01:11:19,250 | 我們進入黨團協商都非常順利喔 |
| 01:11:19,250 | 01:11:21,250 | 那繼續加油 |
| 01:11:23,240 | 01:11:26,240 | 教育及文化委員會社會福利及衛生環境 |
| 01:11:26,240 | 01:11:28,240 | 兩個委員會必報告 |
| 01:11:28,240 | 01:11:31,240 | 並按審查誘惡教育及照顧法第七條 |
| 01:11:31,240 | 01:11:33,240 | 條文修正草案等15案 |
| 01:11:33,240 | 01:11:35,240 | 本案經115年6月18日 |
| 01:11:35,240 | 01:11:38,240 | 召開本院第11屆第5會期 |
| 01:11:40,070 | 01:11:42,070 | 文化社會福利衛生委員會 |
| 01:11:43,700 | 01:11:45,700 | 第一次聯席審查完畢 |
| 01:11:45,700 | 01:11:47,700 | 審查結果第七條保留 |
| 01:11:47,700 | 01:11:49,700 | 受院會處理並決議交由黨團協商 |
| 01:11:51,090 | 01:11:54,090 | 那也有委員禁服二讀 |
| 01:11:54,090 | 01:11:58,090 | 與相關的提案並按審查 |
| 01:11:58,090 | 01:12:00,090 | 請委員表達意見 |
| 01:12:03,660 | 01:12:05,660 | 我們現在是可以針對自己的那個 |
| 01:12:05,660 | 01:12:06,660 | 誘教法的版本開始 |
| 01:12:06,660 | 01:12:08,660 | 請教育部再表達意見對不對 |
| 01:12:08,660 | 01:12:10,660 | 誘教法的部分嘛 |
| 01:12:10,660 | 01:12:13,660 | 基本上他也可以直接告訴你答案 |
| 01:12:13,660 | 01:12:14,660 | 然後你再來決定 |
| 01:12:14,660 | 01:12:18,660 | 那我們是不是先請教育部先跟大家講一下 |
| 01:12:18,660 | 01:12:20,660 | 你有沒有什麼建議文字 |
| 01:12:21,120 | 01:12:23,120 | 讓大家可以凝聚共識 |
| 01:12:26,370 | 01:12:28,370 | 召委及各位委員大家好 |
| 01:12:28,370 | 01:12:32,370 | 那主要是在第七條的部分 |
| 01:12:32,370 | 01:12:34,370 | 那第七條目前有18個版本 |
| 01:12:34,370 | 01:12:38,370 | 那其中18個版本裡面有13個版本 |
| 01:12:38,370 | 01:12:39,370 | 是每月1.5萬 |
| 01:12:39,370 | 01:12:41,370 | 3個版本是每月2萬 |
| 01:12:41,370 | 01:12:44,370 | 那有一個版本是公用差額的80% |
| 01:12:44,370 | 01:12:46,370 | 那另外還有3個版本是針對育兒津貼 |
| 01:12:46,370 | 01:12:48,370 | 那這樣子的話加起來 |
| 01:12:48,370 | 01:12:50,370 | 就是說以各個版本 |
| 01:12:50,370 | 01:12:51,370 | 1到5 |
| 01:12:51,370 | 01:12:53,370 | 那個對不起你繼續講 |
| 01:12:53,370 | 01:12:55,370 | 好1.5到2萬之間 |
| 01:12:55,370 | 01:12:58,370 | 那每一年政府部門所要增加的預算 |
| 01:12:58,370 | 01:13:01,370 | 大概是423億到612億 |
| 01:13:01,370 | 01:13:05,370 | 而且這個支出是每一年持續性的支出 |
| 01:13:05,370 | 01:13:06,370 | 那我們在7月的時候 |
| 01:13:06,370 | 01:13:08,370 | 召開教育局處長會議的時候 |
| 01:13:08,370 | 01:13:09,370 | 也有把這個議題 |
| 01:13:09,370 | 01:13:12,370 | 跟22縣市的教育局處長進行討論 |
| 01:13:12,370 | 01:13:13,370 | 那大家認為說 |
| 01:13:13,370 | 01:13:16,370 | 因為這個費用支出實在是太龐大了 |
| 01:13:16,370 | 01:13:18,370 | 對整體教育業務的推動 |
| 01:13:18,370 | 01:13:21,370 | 應該會產生一定的排擠效應 |
| 01:13:21,370 | 01:13:23,370 | 所以是非常的拜託 |
| 01:13:23,370 | 01:13:26,370 | 也希望是不是對於提高這個補助 |
| 01:13:26,370 | 01:13:28,370 | 跟育兒津貼的議題 |
| 01:13:28,370 | 01:13:31,370 | 各局處長們希望能夠在現在 |
| 01:13:31,370 | 01:13:34,370 | 持續擴大評價教保服務為主軸 |
| 01:13:34,370 | 01:13:37,370 | 那透過擴大評價教保服務提供服務 |
| 01:13:37,370 | 01:13:39,370 | 同時也減輕家長的負擔 |
| 01:13:39,370 | 01:13:43,370 | 那我們也持續的在收集各界的意見 |
| 01:13:43,370 | 01:13:46,370 | 那各界的意見也給我們一些 |
| 01:13:46,370 | 01:13:48,370 | 也提出了一些擔憂 |
| 01:13:48,370 | 01:13:51,370 | 那我們這邊大概做一下簡要的說明 |
| 01:13:51,370 | 01:13:54,370 | 各界擔憂當中包含的認為說 |
| 01:13:54,370 | 01:13:55,370 | 這比較高額的補助 |
| 01:13:55,370 | 01:13:58,370 | 可能會衝擊幼教的結構 |
| 01:13:58,370 | 01:13:59,370 | 雖然委員其實蠻希望 |
| 01:13:59,370 | 01:14:02,370 | 是給家長的一個選擇權 |
| 01:14:02,370 | 01:14:05,370 | 但是實際上家長還是交給原方 |
| 01:14:05,370 | 01:14:07,370 | 那對於改善整體幼教結構 |
| 01:14:07,370 | 01:14:09,370 | 逐步供好的這個方向 |
| 01:14:09,370 | 01:14:12,370 | 感覺還是比較辛苦 |
| 01:14:12,370 | 01:14:14,370 | 所以家長其實期待 |
| 01:14:14,370 | 01:14:16,370 | 是政府擴大公共化的教保服務 |
| 01:14:16,370 | 01:14:19,370 | 他們除了考量到費用之外 |
| 01:14:19,370 | 01:14:22,370 | 其實也很在意的是教保品質 |
| 01:14:22,370 | 01:14:26,370 | 那同時也認為公共化的教保磁場 |
| 01:14:26,370 | 01:14:28,370 | 比較可以提供教保服務人員 |
| 01:14:28,370 | 01:14:32,370 | 適當的待遇跟這些福利措施 |
| 01:14:32,370 | 01:14:34,370 | 那今年我們確實也增加了 |
| 01:14:34,370 | 01:14:36,370 | 將近4000個班 |
| 01:14:36,370 | 01:14:39,370 | 那也創造了7 8000人的就業機會 |
| 01:14:39,370 | 01:14:41,370 | 後面我們也會精準的對焦 |
| 01:14:41,370 | 01:14:43,370 | 那108年其實各縣市 |
| 01:14:43,370 | 01:14:46,370 | 也啟動了總公共的合作機制 |
| 01:14:46,370 | 01:14:48,370 | 那這機制裡面有要求 |
| 01:14:48,370 | 01:14:50,370 | 同時也要求他們調高 |
| 01:14:50,370 | 01:14:53,370 | 教保服務人員每月的薪資基準 |
| 01:14:53,370 | 01:14:54,370 | 那這些資訊也透過 |
| 01:14:54,370 | 01:14:57,370 | 政府的資訊平台做公開 |
| 01:14:57,370 | 01:15:01,370 | 那也透過各界比較綿密的管控跟監督 |
| 01:15:01,370 | 01:15:02,370 | 那再來就是 |
| 01:15:02,370 | 01:15:05,370 | 如果我們調高了這個補助之後 |
| 01:15:05,370 | 01:15:08,370 | 那大家也擔心可能會產生一個狀況 |
| 01:15:08,370 | 01:15:10,370 | 就是因為一般的私立幼兒園 |
| 01:15:10,370 | 01:15:14,370 | 其實導向的是比較自由市場的機制 |
| 01:15:14,370 | 01:15:16,370 | 那如果他們的補助調高 |
| 01:15:16,370 | 01:15:20,370 | 那麼可能會導致總公幼兒園會選擇退場 |
| 01:15:20,370 | 01:15:22,370 | 捨棄原來的合作 |
| 01:15:22,370 | 01:15:25,370 | 那恢復他一般私立幼兒園的屬性 |
| 01:15:25,370 | 01:15:27,370 | 那主軸就是因為比較自由 |
| 01:15:27,370 | 01:15:29,370 | 他可以做他自己想要做的處理 |
| 01:15:29,370 | 01:15:32,370 | 那對於我們近年逐步調整 |
| 01:15:32,370 | 01:15:35,370 | 以及引導總公共調高薪資的機制 |
| 01:15:35,370 | 01:15:37,370 | 可能會因為他們的退出 |
| 01:15:37,370 | 01:15:40,370 | 那這樣子的話對師生都不是太理想 |
| 01:15:40,370 | 01:15:41,370 | 那再來就是 |
| 01:15:41,370 | 01:15:43,370 | 如果以高額的補助 |
| 01:15:43,370 | 01:15:46,370 | 可能也會產生一個狀況是 |
| 01:15:46,370 | 01:15:50,370 | 那麼就會設比較多的私立幼兒園 |
| 01:15:50,370 | 01:15:53,370 | 那對政府近年努力在推動公共化 |
| 01:15:53,370 | 01:15:55,370 | 似乎又回到原點 |
| 01:15:55,370 | 01:15:57,370 | 好像對於整個幼教的結構 |
| 01:15:57,370 | 01:15:59,370 | 是會產生比較深遠的影響喔 |
| 01:15:59,370 | 01:16:02,370 | 那同時各界也提醒我們就是 |
| 01:16:02,370 | 01:16:05,370 | 早年八九十年的時候 |
| 01:16:05,370 | 01:16:08,370 | 當時一開始就做學前補助的經驗 |
| 01:16:08,370 | 01:16:11,370 | 那這些師長們也提醒我們 |
| 01:16:11,370 | 01:16:14,370 | 那當時高額的補助其實伴隨著 |
| 01:16:14,370 | 01:16:16,370 | 也是私立業界的調高收費 |
| 01:16:16,370 | 01:16:18,370 | 所以到最後家長不一定是 |
| 01:16:18,370 | 01:16:20,370 | 最直接的受益者喔 |
| 01:16:20,370 | 01:16:22,370 | 另外還有一個很重要的就是 |
| 01:16:23,570 | 01:16:25,570 | 那我們現在也有三個委員版本 |
| 01:16:25,570 | 01:16:27,570 | 對於提高育兒津貼到兩萬喔 |
| 01:16:27,570 | 01:16:29,570 | 那教育現場他們的觀察 |
| 01:16:29,570 | 01:16:31,570 | 也提醒我們一點喔 |
| 01:16:31,570 | 01:16:34,570 | 那也有可能在家長的部分會導致喔 |
| 01:16:34,570 | 01:16:37,570 | 把津貼當成是一個家用或其他用途 |
| 01:16:37,570 | 01:16:40,570 | 那會延後孩子來接受學前教育喔 |
| 01:16:40,570 | 01:16:42,570 | 或者是有一些家長可能把這個 |
| 01:16:42,570 | 01:16:45,570 | 比較高額的補助那麼拿到 |
| 01:16:45,570 | 01:16:48,570 | 讓孩子去參與其他 |
| 01:16:48,570 | 01:16:49,570 | 可能不是那麼適合孩子 |
| 01:16:49,570 | 01:16:51,570 | 全力學習的這個場域 |
| 01:16:51,570 | 01:16:53,570 | 那譬如其他的補習場所啊 |
| 01:16:53,570 | 01:16:55,570 | 等等的這個問題 |
| 01:16:55,570 | 01:16:57,570 | 那我們這邊各界也看到就是說 |
| 01:16:57,570 | 01:17:01,570 | 那事實上近年從107年開始喔 |
| 01:17:01,570 | 01:17:03,570 | 我們整體的入園率已經從 |
| 01:17:03,570 | 01:17:06,570 | 61%提高到87% |
| 01:17:06,570 | 01:17:10,570 | 兩歲也從107年的16%調高到54% |
| 01:17:10,570 | 01:17:12,570 | 那國內外的研究也告訴我們 |
| 01:17:12,570 | 01:17:14,570 | 其實孩子提前入園 |
| 01:17:14,570 | 01:17:17,570 | 對於未來的人格發展各方面 |
| 01:17:17,570 | 01:17:18,570 | 是有正向的喔 |
| 01:17:18,570 | 01:17:20,570 | 所以大家對於說 |
| 01:17:20,570 | 01:17:22,570 | 提高這樣的費用也是有一些擔憂 |
| 01:17:22,570 | 01:17:24,570 | 所以在行政部門也收集了 |
| 01:17:24,570 | 01:17:26,570 | 各縣市教育局處的意見 |
| 01:17:26,570 | 01:17:28,570 | 以及最近回饋給我們的一些 |
| 01:17:28,570 | 01:17:30,570 | 學者專家跟教育現場的意見喔 |
| 01:17:30,570 | 01:17:34,570 | 是能夠希望拜託能夠維持原來的條文喔 |
| 01:17:34,570 | 01:17:37,570 | 那不管是現在的津貼或是就學補助 |
| 01:17:37,570 | 01:17:40,570 | 那後續政府部門可以試著 |
| 01:17:40,570 | 01:17:43,570 | 政府財政以及社會經濟的發展 |
| 01:17:43,570 | 01:17:45,570 | 在適時的那一線 |
| 01:17:45,570 | 01:17:47,570 | 在行政規則的調整方向 |
| 01:17:47,570 | 01:17:48,570 | 去做相關的處理 |
| 01:17:48,570 | 01:17:50,570 | 那這大概是第七條 |
| 01:17:50,570 | 01:17:52,570 | 那至於後面還有一些條文喔 |
| 01:17:52,570 | 01:17:54,570 | 這些條文包含了就是有一些 |
| 01:17:54,570 | 01:17:56,570 | 收費的收費啦 |
| 01:17:56,570 | 01:17:59,570 | 跟譬如說42條52條 |
| 01:17:59,570 | 01:18:01,570 | 43條52條 |
| 01:18:01,570 | 01:18:03,570 | 這邊有關收費跟罰則的部分 |
| 01:18:03,570 | 01:18:05,570 | 那因為整個右照法裡頭 |
| 01:18:05,570 | 01:18:08,570 | 本來就有收費調整的這個機制 |
| 01:18:08,570 | 01:18:11,570 | 那麼公開也是現在都在 |
| 01:18:11,570 | 01:18:13,570 | 行政部門的政府資訊平台上 |
| 01:18:13,570 | 01:18:15,570 | 所有的員都必須揭露 |
| 01:18:15,570 | 01:18:19,570 | 所以我們會建議43跟52能夠維持 |
| 01:18:19,570 | 01:18:21,570 | 現行的條文 |
| 01:18:23,550 | 01:18:25,550 | 再來是27條的部分 |
| 01:18:25,550 | 01:18:27,550 | 那這是單一文字的調整 |
| 01:18:27,550 | 01:18:30,550 | 目前執行上好像也沒有困難 |
| 01:18:30,550 | 01:18:34,550 | 那另外就是有關23條的部分呢 |
| 01:18:34,550 | 01:18:35,550 | 等一下等一下對不起 |
| 01:18:35,550 | 01:18:37,550 | 我們一樣一樣來好嗎 |
| 01:18:37,550 | 01:18:39,550 | 好謝謝 |
| 01:18:40,800 | 01:18:42,800 | 所以你27條沒意見嗎 |
| 01:18:44,070 | 01:18:46,070 | 第七條 |
| 01:18:47,480 | 01:18:49,480 | 你剛有提到 |
| 01:18:49,300 | 01:18:51,300 | 是文字調整而已 |
| 01:18:51,300 | 01:18:53,300 | 好來陳佩儀委員 |
| 01:18:55,510 | 01:18:57,510 | 我們就先第七條 |
| 01:18:57,350 | 01:18:58,350 | 好那謝謝主席 |
| 01:18:58,350 | 01:19:00,350 | 我們就根據主席的建議 |
| 01:19:00,350 | 01:19:02,350 | 先就第七條好不好 |
| 01:19:02,350 | 01:19:04,350 | 其實上一次我記得我們有開過公聽會啦 |
| 01:19:04,350 | 01:19:06,350 | 我還是要再一次強調 |
| 01:19:06,350 | 01:19:08,350 | 我也想要跟教育部對一下 |
| 01:19:08,350 | 01:19:10,350 | 我現在手上所收集到的數字 |
| 01:19:10,350 | 01:19:11,350 | 到底是不是正確的 |
| 01:19:11,350 | 01:19:13,350 | 也要拜託提案的委員可以作為參考 |
| 01:19:13,350 | 01:19:17,350 | 目前中央現行花在所謂右托的補助 |
| 01:19:17,350 | 01:19:20,350 | 公用的部分我們每個月只需要讓家長 |
| 01:19:20,350 | 01:19:22,350 | 繳到一千塊 |
| 01:19:22,350 | 01:19:24,350 | 其他全部都是政府補助 |
| 01:19:24,350 | 01:19:25,350 | 非營利的部分 |
| 01:19:25,350 | 01:19:28,350 | 我們讓家長只需要繳兩千塊 |
| 01:19:28,350 | 01:19:29,350 | 其他政府補助 |
| 01:19:29,350 | 01:19:32,350 | 準公用的部分家長只需要繳三千 |
| 01:19:32,350 | 01:19:34,350 | 其他政府補助 |
| 01:19:34,350 | 01:19:36,350 | 現在要爭取的是私用 |
| 01:19:36,350 | 01:19:40,350 | 但如果家長現在選擇讓小孩念私用的話 |
| 01:19:40,350 | 01:19:42,350 | 育兒津貼的名義 |
| 01:19:42,350 | 01:19:44,350 | 他們會拿到五千 |
| 01:19:44,350 | 01:19:45,350 | 第二胎六千 |
| 01:19:45,350 | 01:19:46,350 | 第三胎七千 |
| 01:19:46,350 | 01:19:47,350 | 以上我先說對嗎 |
| 01:19:47,350 | 01:19:48,350 | 對好 |
| 01:19:48,350 | 01:19:50,350 | 所以如果這個數字是正確的 |
| 01:19:50,350 | 01:19:51,350 | 我們現在回來看 |
| 01:19:52,350 | 01:19:55,350 | 因為拿到這些補助的幼兒園 |
| 01:19:55,350 | 01:19:56,350 | 不論是公用 |
| 01:19:56,350 | 01:19:58,350 | 非營利或是準公用 |
| 01:19:58,350 | 01:19:59,350 | 他們都必須 |
| 01:19:59,350 | 01:20:01,350 | 一在調整老師的心思上 |
| 01:20:01,350 | 01:20:03,350 | 要符合政府設立的條件 |
| 01:20:03,350 | 01:20:05,350 | 二人力比 |
| 01:20:05,350 | 01:20:06,350 | 師生比 |
| 01:20:06,350 | 01:20:08,350 | 也要符合政府的規範 |
| 01:20:08,350 | 01:20:10,350 | 所以他才可以拿到政府的這些錢 |
| 01:20:10,350 | 01:20:12,350 | 但是現在我們看到 |
| 01:20:12,350 | 01:20:15,350 | 所有委員提案的版本裡面 |
| 01:20:15,350 | 01:20:18,350 | 說要直接把錢補到私幼去的 |
| 01:20:18,350 | 01:20:20,350 | 我現在發現一個很大的困境 |
| 01:20:20,350 | 01:20:22,350 | 就是我們給錢 |
| 01:20:22,350 | 01:20:24,350 | 看起來說是給家長選擇權 |
| 01:20:24,350 | 01:20:26,350 | 但卻沒有辦法對這些私幼造成 |
| 01:20:26,350 | 01:20:29,350 | 任何法規上的限制跟規範 |
| 01:20:29,350 | 01:20:31,350 | 沒有規範沒有限制 |
| 01:20:31,350 | 01:20:33,350 | 所以有沒有可能當私幼 |
| 01:20:33,350 | 01:20:34,350 | 拿到這筆錢之後 |
| 01:20:34,350 | 01:20:36,350 | 他左手拿政府的錢 |
| 01:20:36,350 | 01:20:38,350 | 但是他卻在右手 |
| 01:20:38,350 | 01:20:39,350 | 在員方這邊跟家長這邊 |
| 01:20:39,350 | 01:20:40,350 | 他沒有降學費 |
| 01:20:40,350 | 01:20:43,350 | 所以他等於還是拿一樣多的學費 |
| 01:20:43,350 | 01:20:45,350 | 然後他又拿到政府的補助 |
| 01:20:45,350 | 01:20:46,350 | 我覺得這個非常的荒謬 |
| 01:20:46,350 | 01:20:49,350 | 過去所有政府所建立的補助機制 |
| 01:20:49,350 | 01:20:52,350 | 都必須要有相關的規範跟限制 |
| 01:20:52,350 | 01:20:54,350 | 那私幼如果他現在 |
| 01:20:54,350 | 01:20:55,350 | 完全屬於自由市場 |
| 01:20:55,350 | 01:20:57,350 | 他又不願意讓自己變成 |
| 01:20:57,350 | 01:20:58,350 | 所謂的準公幼 |
| 01:20:58,350 | 01:21:00,350 | 那我實在是不知道 |
| 01:21:00,350 | 01:21:02,350 | 到底我們這樣是在保障 |
| 01:21:02,350 | 01:21:03,350 | 家長的選擇權 |
| 01:21:03,350 | 01:21:06,350 | 還是只是圖利了這些私幼 |
| 01:21:06,350 | 01:21:07,350 | 甚至我要說 |
| 01:21:07,350 | 01:21:10,350 | 把錢全部流入私幼業者的角度 |
| 01:21:10,350 | 01:21:11,350 | 這樣真的是對的嗎 |
| 01:21:11,350 | 01:21:13,350 | 那現在我手上還有另外一個數字 |
| 01:21:13,350 | 01:21:14,350 | 也要跟教育部對一下 |
| 01:21:14,350 | 01:21:16,350 | 我們目前中央政府也好 |
| 01:21:16,350 | 01:21:18,350 | 地方政府也好 |
| 01:21:18,350 | 01:21:20,350 | 針對零到二歲的托育 |
| 01:21:20,350 | 01:21:23,350 | 或者是二到六歲的幼照 |
| 01:21:23,350 | 01:21:25,350 | 目前這幾年統計下來 |
| 01:21:25,350 | 01:21:28,350 | 我們發給幼兒園這些就學補助 |
| 01:21:28,350 | 01:21:30,350 | 或者是給家長的育兒今天 |
| 01:21:30,350 | 01:21:32,350 | 已經超過3477億了 |
| 01:21:32,350 | 01:21:34,350 | 這個是我手上的資料 |
| 01:21:34,350 | 01:21:35,350 | 如果是這樣的話 |
| 01:21:35,350 | 01:21:37,350 | 也就是說我們確實 |
| 01:21:37,350 | 01:21:39,350 | 在讓園方變得更好 |
| 01:21:39,350 | 01:21:40,350 | 師生筆變得更好 |
| 01:21:40,350 | 01:21:41,350 | 設備變得更好 |
| 01:21:41,350 | 01:21:43,350 | 老師的薪資變得更好的情況下 |
| 01:21:43,350 | 01:21:45,350 | 家長又少花錢 |
| 01:21:45,350 | 01:21:46,350 | 其實政府已經負擔了很多 |
| 01:21:46,350 | 01:21:47,350 | 補助了很多 |
| 01:21:47,350 | 01:21:48,350 | 那如果我們未來 |
| 01:21:48,350 | 01:21:50,350 | 要把錢再給到私幼 |
| 01:21:50,350 | 01:21:51,350 | 我不確定我們政府 |
| 01:21:51,350 | 01:21:52,350 | 到底還有沒有權利 |
| 01:21:52,350 | 01:21:53,350 | 有沒有能力 |
| 01:21:53,350 | 01:21:54,350 | 有沒有法治可以規範 |
| 01:21:54,350 | 01:21:56,350 | 拿了錢的這些私幼 |
| 01:21:56,350 | 01:21:58,350 | 如果他不改善師生筆呢 |
| 01:21:58,350 | 01:22:00,350 | 如果他不改善教學設備呢 |
| 01:22:00,350 | 01:22:02,350 | 如果他對於老師的薪資調整 |
| 01:22:02,350 | 01:22:03,350 | 也不願意調整呢 |
| 01:22:03,350 | 01:22:04,350 | 那我真的不知道 |
| 01:22:04,350 | 01:22:06,350 | 這樣的公平正義到底為何 |
| 01:22:06,350 | 01:22:07,350 | 這完全不是公平正義 |
| 01:22:07,350 | 01:22:09,350 | 所以我想還是要表達出 |
| 01:22:09,350 | 01:22:12,350 | 我對這件事情修法的態度 |
| 01:22:12,350 | 01:22:13,350 | 以上 |
| 01:22:15,560 | 01:22:16,560 | 還有委員有意見嗎 |
| 01:22:17,670 | 01:22:18,670 | 參眾委員 |
| 01:22:24,880 | 01:22:27,880 | 好 那有關於這一條呢 |
| 01:22:27,880 | 01:22:29,880 | 我在做本檔的一個意思 |
| 01:22:29,880 | 01:22:32,880 | 就是說那個 |
| 01:22:34,370 | 01:22:36,370 | 公立的 非營利的 |
| 01:22:36,370 | 01:22:37,370 | 還有準公共的 |
| 01:22:37,370 | 01:22:40,370 | 都有做一個補助 |
| 01:22:40,370 | 01:22:41,370 | 那能夠 |
| 01:22:41,370 | 01:22:46,370 | 就是對於免納協會 雜會 |
| 01:22:46,370 | 01:22:48,370 | 還有中央主管機關 |
| 01:22:48,370 | 01:22:50,370 | 一43條的第一項 |
| 01:22:50,370 | 01:22:53,370 | 規定有所謂的材料會 |
| 01:22:53,370 | 01:22:55,370 | 活動會 午餐會 |
| 01:22:55,370 | 01:22:56,370 | 還有等薪會 |
| 01:22:56,370 | 01:22:57,370 | 這一個地方呢 |
| 01:22:57,370 | 01:22:58,370 | 我們希望都能夠 |
| 01:22:58,370 | 01:23:00,370 | 把它納進去寫清楚 |
| 01:23:00,370 | 01:23:01,370 | 要不然的話 |
| 01:23:01,370 | 01:23:02,370 | 只有補助 |
| 01:23:02,370 | 01:23:03,370 | 那這些項目呢 |
| 01:23:03,370 | 01:23:04,370 | 就有點籠統 |
| 01:23:04,370 | 01:23:05,370 | 在這裡呢 |
| 01:23:05,370 | 01:23:06,370 | 做一個建議 |
| 01:23:12,030 | 01:23:13,030 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:23:13,970 | 01:23:14,970 | 謝謝 |
| 01:23:14,760 | 01:23:15,760 | 謝謝 |
| 01:23:19,810 | 01:23:22,810 | 好 謝謝主席 |
| 01:23:22,810 | 01:23:24,810 | 這個部分我沒有 |
| 01:23:24,810 | 01:23:25,810 | 我沒有提案版本 |
| 01:23:25,810 | 01:23:27,810 | 但是我在質詢的時候 |
| 01:23:27,810 | 01:23:30,810 | 應該表達過很多次 |
| 01:23:30,810 | 01:23:32,810 | 其實我覺得 |
| 01:23:32,810 | 01:23:34,810 | 到底對政府的負擔多少 |
| 01:23:34,810 | 01:23:37,810 | 倒不是我考量事情 |
| 01:23:37,810 | 01:23:39,810 | 最重要的一件事 |
| 01:23:39,810 | 01:23:41,810 | 但是我考量到的 |
| 01:23:41,810 | 01:23:43,810 | 都是屬於我們這些 |
| 01:23:43,810 | 01:23:45,810 | 弱勢偏鄉的孩童 |
| 01:23:45,810 | 01:23:47,810 | 因為我質詢的時候 |
| 01:23:47,810 | 01:23:49,810 | 已經表達過 |
| 01:23:49,810 | 01:23:51,810 | 就是育兒今天 |
| 01:23:51,810 | 01:23:53,810 | 那未來還會有成長今天 |
| 01:23:53,810 | 01:23:54,810 | 很好 |
| 01:23:54,810 | 01:23:56,810 | 但是我還是希望大家 |
| 01:23:56,810 | 01:23:58,810 | 在做教育的時候 |
| 01:23:58,810 | 01:23:59,810 | 還是要顧及到 |
| 01:23:59,810 | 01:24:02,810 | 他可能衍生的一些後遺症 |
| 01:24:02,810 | 01:24:03,810 | 因為我已經 |
| 01:24:03,810 | 01:24:06,810 | 接到太多的陳情 |
| 01:24:06,810 | 01:24:09,810 | 就是很多地方的孩子 |
| 01:24:09,810 | 01:24:12,810 | 他反而沒有去上學 |
| 01:24:13,760 | 01:24:16,760 | 因為有一些真正需要的 |
| 01:24:16,760 | 01:24:18,760 | 反而他的家長是 |
| 01:24:18,760 | 01:24:20,760 | 沒有辦法讓這個 |
| 01:24:20,760 | 01:24:22,760 | 政府給的美意到他的身上 |
| 01:24:24,070 | 01:24:26,070 | 現在越來越多的孩子 |
| 01:24:26,070 | 01:24:27,070 | 都是逼不得已 |
| 01:24:27,070 | 01:24:29,070 | 最後六歲再進去 |
| 01:24:29,070 | 01:24:31,070 | 因為家長會希望 |
| 01:24:31,070 | 01:24:34,070 | 把這個部分可以留著 |
| 01:24:34,070 | 01:24:36,070 | 這件事情也很多的幼兒園的 |
| 01:24:36,070 | 01:24:39,070 | 老師有跟我反應 |
| 01:24:39,070 | 01:24:41,070 | 所以這個部分才是我 |
| 01:24:41,070 | 01:24:43,070 | 最擔心害怕的 |
| 01:24:43,070 | 01:24:45,070 | 那當然這可能是少數 |
| 01:24:45,070 | 01:24:47,070 | 但是他確實是會有 |
| 01:24:47,070 | 01:24:49,070 | 這樣的後遺症存在 |
| 01:24:49,070 | 01:24:51,070 | 那再來就是 |
| 01:24:51,070 | 01:24:52,070 | 剛才我也有聽到 |
| 01:24:52,070 | 01:24:54,070 | 教育部的報告 |
| 01:24:54,070 | 01:24:56,070 | 7月份的教育局處長 |
| 01:24:56,070 | 01:24:59,070 | 我們得到的一個地方意見 |
| 01:24:59,070 | 01:25:01,070 | 就是地方政府可能也會 |
| 01:25:01,070 | 01:25:03,070 | 覺得有點頭大 |
| 01:25:03,070 | 01:25:05,070 | 那我想這個部分 |
| 01:25:05,070 | 01:25:06,070 | 也是要列入考量 |
| 01:25:06,070 | 01:25:08,070 | 那第三個我考量到的是 |
| 01:25:08,070 | 01:25:10,070 | 我也聽到很多的 |
| 01:25:10,070 | 01:25:13,070 | 準公共的他們都說 |
| 01:25:13,070 | 01:25:14,070 | 如果真的這樣 |
| 01:25:14,070 | 01:25:16,070 | 他們就變私幼好了 |
| 01:25:16,070 | 01:25:18,070 | 我也聽到很多 |
| 01:25:18,070 | 01:25:19,070 | 那再來就是 |
| 01:25:19,070 | 01:25:21,070 | 我也有去問私幼的老師 |
| 01:25:21,070 | 01:25:23,070 | 那私幼的老師是無感的 |
| 01:25:23,070 | 01:25:25,070 | 因為這個可能只是 |
| 01:25:25,070 | 01:25:26,070 | 業者的問題 |
| 01:25:26,070 | 01:25:28,070 | 那他們反而擔憂的是 |
| 01:25:28,070 | 01:25:30,070 | 剛才教育部有提到 |
| 01:25:30,070 | 01:25:32,070 | 就是因為我們其實 |
| 01:25:32,070 | 01:25:34,070 | 之前政府都是為了 |
| 01:25:34,070 | 01:25:36,070 | 朝向的政策目標 |
| 01:25:36,070 | 01:25:37,070 | 是擴大公共化 |
| 01:25:37,070 | 01:25:39,070 | 那這個是有點算 |
| 01:25:39,070 | 01:25:41,070 | 怕這些準公共的 |
| 01:25:41,070 | 01:25:42,070 | 又跑回去的話 |
| 01:25:42,070 | 01:25:44,070 | 有點走倒退的路 |
| 01:25:44,070 | 01:25:46,070 | 但是對私幼的老師來講 |
| 01:25:46,070 | 01:25:48,070 | 他們這幾年感受到的就是說 |
| 01:25:48,070 | 01:25:51,070 | 這樣子公共化擴大的時候 |
| 01:25:51,070 | 01:25:52,070 | 其實對他們的權益 |
| 01:25:52,070 | 01:25:54,070 | 保障是穩定的 |
| 01:25:54,070 | 01:25:57,070 | 那如果再又回到私幼的市場 |
| 01:25:57,070 | 01:26:00,070 | 大家應該也理解 |
| 01:26:00,070 | 01:26:04,070 | 可能學費還是會繼續往上漲 |
| 01:26:04,070 | 01:26:05,070 | 那他們的權益 |
| 01:26:05,070 | 01:26:08,070 | 也不見得會受到很大的保護 |
| 01:26:08,070 | 01:26:11,070 | 所以這個部分我考量的是 |
| 01:26:11,070 | 01:26:14,070 | 會不會我們偏鄉的 |
| 01:26:14,070 | 01:26:15,070 | 或者弱勢的家庭 |
| 01:26:15,070 | 01:26:17,070 | 他們反而在這一塊 |
| 01:26:17,070 | 01:26:19,070 | 會受到最大的衝擊 |
| 01:26:19,070 | 01:26:21,070 | 成為最大的受害者 |
| 01:26:21,070 | 01:26:23,070 | 所以我還是希望大家 |
| 01:26:23,070 | 01:26:25,070 | 能夠停下來先想一想 |
| 01:26:25,070 | 01:26:26,070 | 謝謝 |
| 01:26:26,070 | 01:26:27,070 | 主席 |
| 01:26:27,070 | 01:26:29,070 | 不然要不要就先保留 |
| 01:26:31,030 | 01:26:32,030 | 好 |
| 01:26:34,510 | 01:26:36,510 | 我尊重大家 |
| 01:26:36,510 | 01:26:38,510 | 現在你們有共識保留就保留 |
| 01:26:38,510 | 01:26:39,510 | 但是讓我講一下 |
| 01:26:40,430 | 01:26:41,430 | 好吧 |
| 01:26:42,640 | 01:26:43,640 | 可以嗎 |
| 01:26:47,150 | 01:26:49,150 | 咳 |
| 01:26:51,420 | 01:26:54,420 | 好 那有鑑於我講坦白的 |
| 01:26:54,420 | 01:26:56,420 | 今天協商大家氣氛這麼好 |
| 01:26:56,420 | 01:26:57,420 | 我們講清楚說明白 |
| 01:26:58,350 | 01:27:01,350 | 剛剛陳培育委員所提到的這些論述 |
| 01:27:02,980 | 01:27:03,980 | 我覺得要尊重 |
| 01:27:05,580 | 01:27:07,580 | 我覺得可以討論 |
| 01:27:08,130 | 01:27:10,130 | 所以我也拜託教育部 |
| 01:27:11,130 | 01:27:12,130 | 第一 |
| 01:27:12,130 | 01:27:15,130 | 當然我們將這一個公托公用免費 |
| 01:27:16,310 | 01:27:17,310 | 思托思誘 |
| 01:27:17,310 | 01:27:19,310 | 補助家長 |
| 01:27:19,870 | 01:27:20,870 | 的費用 |
| 01:27:20,870 | 01:27:22,870 | 來討論的時候 |
| 01:27:22,870 | 01:27:23,870 | 我們要增加一些機制 |
| 01:27:23,870 | 01:27:25,870 | 像剛剛培育委員 |
| 01:27:25,870 | 01:27:26,870 | 吳立華委員所提的 |
| 01:27:27,700 | 01:27:28,700 | 這個私生筆的問題 |
| 01:27:29,940 | 01:27:31,940 | 思誘有沒有被管制 |
| 01:27:31,940 | 01:27:37,940 | 應該要朝我們能夠有利於學生跟家長的部分來發展 |
| 01:27:37,940 | 01:27:39,940 | 要有一些配套 |
| 01:27:39,940 | 01:27:42,940 | 才可以加入這樣子的一個機制裡面 |
| 01:27:42,940 | 01:27:43,940 | 我覺得要尊重 |
| 01:27:43,940 | 01:27:44,940 | 沒有問題 |
| 01:27:46,080 | 01:27:48,080 | 但是我永遠都還記得吳立華委員 |
| 01:27:48,080 | 01:27:50,080 | 在上一次質詢說 |
| 01:27:50,080 | 01:27:51,080 | 他 |
| 01:27:50,950 | 01:27:51,950 | 發一個照片 |
| 01:27:51,950 | 01:27:53,950 | 去拜訪一個小朋友的家庭 |
| 01:27:54,920 | 01:27:56,920 | 大年初一很有心 |
| 01:27:56,920 | 01:27:58,920 | 了解到狀況是 |
| 01:27:58,920 | 01:27:59,920 | 雖然有育兒津貼 |
| 01:27:59,920 | 01:28:02,920 | 但是不一定孩子真的能夠去讀書 |
| 01:28:02,920 | 01:28:03,920 | 因為家長 |
| 01:28:04,570 | 01:28:05,570 | 有其困境 |
| 01:28:06,660 | 01:28:08,660 | 所以勢必對於孩子的照顧 |
| 01:28:08,660 | 01:28:12,660 | 我們還是有一些需要加油的地方 |
| 01:28:12,660 | 01:28:14,660 | 我們能不能綜合參彩這些意見 |
| 01:28:14,660 | 01:28:18,660 | 來有更好的修正文字出現 |
| 01:28:20,400 | 01:28:22,400 | 把這一個所謂的私生筆 |
| 01:28:22,400 | 01:28:23,400 | 不能惡意漲價 |
| 01:28:23,400 | 01:28:25,400 | 規範業者 |
| 01:28:25,400 | 01:28:29,400 | 然後朝向更利於整個學生跟家長 |
| 01:28:31,530 | 01:28:33,530 | 方向來邁進 |
| 01:28:33,530 | 01:28:34,530 | 這是我們今天協商 |
| 01:28:34,530 | 01:28:36,530 | 希望大家帶回去再好好想想 |
| 01:28:36,530 | 01:28:37,530 | 下一次協商的時候 |
| 01:28:37,530 | 01:28:38,530 | 伸出文字 |
| 01:28:38,530 | 01:28:40,530 | 將私生筆顧好 |
| 01:28:40,530 | 01:28:41,530 | 將規範顧好 |
| 01:28:41,530 | 01:28:43,530 | 真正補助用在孩子 |
| 01:28:43,530 | 01:28:45,530 | 那又能夠照顧到弱勢 |
| 01:28:46,930 | 01:28:47,930 | 這個我相信 |
| 01:28:48,360 | 01:28:50,360 | 一定是我們大家的共識 |
| 01:28:51,050 | 01:28:52,050 | 有人會說 |
| 01:28:52,050 | 01:28:54,050 | 施幼會不會全面的瓦解 |
| 01:28:54,050 | 01:28:56,050 | 準公幼或者是 |
| 01:28:56,050 | 01:28:58,050 | 這部分我們也要防範 |
| 01:28:58,050 | 01:28:59,050 | 但我相信 |
| 01:28:59,050 | 01:29:01,050 | 有更多的家長是 |
| 01:29:01,760 | 01:29:03,760 | 他的生活周邊 |
| 01:29:04,830 | 01:29:05,830 | 可能沒有準公幼 |
| 01:29:05,830 | 01:29:06,830 | 就只有施幼 |
| 01:29:08,210 | 01:29:09,210 | 或者是 |
| 01:29:09,210 | 01:29:10,210 | 只有公幼 |
| 01:29:11,160 | 01:29:13,160 | 那很多的家長都是以 |
| 01:29:13,160 | 01:29:14,160 | 我能夠方便 |
| 01:29:15,950 | 01:29:16,950 | 讓孩子讀書 |
| 01:29:16,950 | 01:29:17,950 | 我又能夠接送 |
| 01:29:17,950 | 01:29:18,950 | 甚至是方便我 |
| 01:29:18,950 | 01:29:20,950 | 上下班接送 |
| 01:29:20,950 | 01:29:21,950 | 來考量 |
| 01:29:21,950 | 01:29:24,950 | 所以能夠增加更多的選擇 |
| 01:29:24,950 | 01:29:26,950 | 這也是我們在幫助他們 |
| 01:29:26,950 | 01:29:29,950 | 在整個生活負擔能夠減輕的 |
| 01:29:29,950 | 01:29:30,950 | 所以今天開宗明義 |
| 01:29:30,950 | 01:29:31,950 | 我要跟大家報告 |
| 01:29:31,950 | 01:29:32,950 | 公托公幼免費 |
| 01:29:32,950 | 01:29:34,950 | 施托師又是補助家長 |
| 01:29:34,950 | 01:29:36,950 | 但是要加強防範機制 |
| 01:29:36,950 | 01:29:38,950 | 今天是我們聽到大家 |
| 01:29:38,950 | 01:29:39,950 | 各個委員 |
| 01:29:39,950 | 01:29:40,950 | 有了一個共識 |
| 01:29:40,950 | 01:29:42,950 | 那今天我們先保留的話 |
| 01:29:42,950 | 01:29:43,950 | 希望下一次 |
| 01:29:43,950 | 01:29:44,950 | 能夠伸出更好的文字 |
| 01:29:44,950 | 01:29:45,950 | 大家共同來邁進 |
| 01:29:45,950 | 01:29:46,950 | 以上 |
| 01:29:48,590 | 01:29:49,590 | 好主席我們確認一下 |
| 01:29:49,590 | 01:29:51,590 | 你要要求教育部伸出文字 |
| 01:29:51,590 | 01:29:53,590 | 還是委員們有提案委員 |
| 01:29:53,590 | 01:29:54,590 | 我們大家一起努力吧 |
| 01:29:54,590 | 01:29:55,590 | 反正就是正常協商 |
| 01:29:55,590 | 01:29:56,590 | 所以你是要要求教育部 |
| 01:29:56,590 | 01:29:57,590 | 大家一起加油 |
| 01:29:57,590 | 01:29:59,590 | 我不能夠規範你 |
| 01:29:59,590 | 01:30:00,590 | 一定要伸出文字 |
| 01:30:00,590 | 01:30:01,590 | 但是我建議 |
| 01:30:01,590 | 01:30:02,590 | 可以的話下次協商的時候 |
| 01:30:02,590 | 01:30:04,590 | 我還會願意再開協商 |
| 01:30:04,590 | 01:30:06,590 | 我沒有說一定要馬上 |
| 01:30:06,590 | 01:30:07,590 | 就是投票 |
| 01:30:07,590 | 01:30:08,590 | 那大家加油嘛 |
| 01:30:08,590 | 01:30:10,590 | 好那另外一件事情 |
| 01:30:10,590 | 01:30:11,590 | 我跟主席確認一下 |
| 01:30:11,590 | 01:30:12,590 | 你剛剛說 |
| 01:30:12,590 | 01:30:15,590 | 你有聽懂我跟立華委員 |
| 01:30:15,590 | 01:30:16,590 | 要求的那些規範 |
| 01:30:16,590 | 01:30:18,590 | 補助 師生筆 |
| 01:30:18,590 | 01:30:21,590 | 你覺得這司優可以比較辦理的話 |
| 01:30:21,590 | 01:30:23,590 | 有這些規範的可能性的話 |
| 01:30:23,590 | 01:30:24,590 | 可以討論嗎 |
| 01:30:24,590 | 01:30:25,590 | 你剛剛是這樣說 |
| 01:30:25,590 | 01:30:26,590 | 討論討論 |
| 01:30:26,590 | 01:30:27,590 | 對你的意思是這樣 |
| 01:30:27,590 | 01:30:28,590 | 那這樣我就請教一部 |
| 01:30:28,590 | 01:30:29,590 | 再回去研議 |
| 01:30:29,590 | 01:30:31,590 | 如果按照剛剛羅庭偉委員說的 |
| 01:30:31,590 | 01:30:32,590 | 把人力筆也規範進去 |
| 01:30:32,590 | 01:30:34,590 | 把老師的薪資也規範進去 |
| 01:30:34,590 | 01:30:36,590 | 設施設備這些都規範進去 |
| 01:30:36,590 | 01:30:38,590 | 他不就變準公優了嗎 |
| 01:30:38,590 | 01:30:39,590 | 如果是這樣 |
| 01:30:39,590 | 01:30:40,590 | 你可以準公優擴大2.0 |
| 01:30:40,590 | 01:30:41,590 | 我也沒有意見 |
| 01:30:41,590 | 01:30:42,590 | 好啦所以你們聽懂 |
| 01:30:42,590 | 01:30:44,590 | 立華委員也在點頭嘛 |
| 01:30:44,590 | 01:30:45,590 | 所以我現在不懂的是說 |
| 01:30:45,590 | 01:30:46,590 | 如果他家 |
| 01:30:46,590 | 01:30:48,590 | 我家好了不要講他家 |
| 01:30:48,590 | 01:30:50,590 | 我家隔壁真的就只有一個司優 |
| 01:30:50,590 | 01:30:53,590 | 然後他聽了羅庭偉委員的說法 |
| 01:30:53,590 | 01:30:55,590 | 所以他也想爭取這筆錢 |
| 01:30:55,590 | 01:30:57,590 | 他也想要讓他們旁邊的小孩 |
| 01:30:57,590 | 01:30:59,590 | 只需要繳準公優的 |
| 01:30:59,590 | 01:31:00,590 | 繳到三千塊就好了 |
| 01:31:00,590 | 01:31:02,590 | 然後讓小孩進來這裡讀書 |
| 01:31:02,590 | 01:31:04,590 | 然後也符合法規規範 |
| 01:31:04,590 | 01:31:05,590 | 然後也拿了政府的補助 |
| 01:31:05,590 | 01:31:07,590 | 那他不就瞬間變準公優了嗎 |
| 01:31:07,590 | 01:31:08,590 | 請教一部回去研議 |
| 01:31:08,590 | 01:31:09,590 | 應該是這樣吧 |
| 01:31:09,590 | 01:31:11,590 | 如果他按照羅庭偉委員的建議 |
| 01:31:11,590 | 01:31:12,590 | 全部按照規範 |
| 01:31:12,590 | 01:31:14,590 | 也拿了政府的補助 |
| 01:31:14,590 | 01:31:15,590 | 也讓小孩入學 |
| 01:31:15,590 | 01:31:16,590 | 他不就準公優 |
| 01:31:16,590 | 01:31:17,590 | 好不好 |
| 01:31:17,590 | 01:31:18,590 | 沒關係 |
| 01:31:18,590 | 01:31:21,590 | 我歡迎你們拿文字來說服我們 |
| 01:31:21,590 | 01:31:24,590 | 然後來推翻我們原本的說法 |
| 01:31:24,590 | 01:31:25,590 | 都沒有關係 |
| 01:31:25,590 | 01:31:27,590 | 但是如果這樣子的政策 |
| 01:31:27,590 | 01:31:29,590 | 能夠提升到2.0 3.0 |
| 01:31:29,590 | 01:31:32,590 | 擴大那入司優當準公優 |
| 01:31:32,590 | 01:31:34,590 | 擴大補助 |
| 01:31:34,590 | 01:31:35,590 | 擴大補助 |
| 01:31:35,590 | 01:31:39,590 | 能夠讓這個部分真正的有效性 |
| 01:31:39,590 | 01:31:41,590 | 能夠把你剛剛說的 |
| 01:31:41,590 | 01:31:42,590 | 有到70 |
| 01:31:43,370 | 01:31:43,860 | 得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得不得 |
| 01:31:44,570 | 01:31:46,170 | 七成提升到多少 |
| 01:31:47,660 | 01:31:49,660 | 你剛剛說原本七成提升到多少 |
| 01:31:50,260 | 01:31:50,760 | 對 |
| 01:31:53,680 | 01:31:54,980 | 87% |
| 01:31:54,980 | 01:31:57,080 | 那如果你有辦法提高到 |
| 01:31:57,080 | 01:31:59,080 | 比如說95% |
| 01:31:59,350 | 01:32:01,350 | 我們有所推進 |
| 01:32:01,110 | 01:32:03,110 | 今天委員會不是不能討論 |
| 01:32:03,110 | 01:32:05,110 | 而是不要告訴我們 |
| 01:32:05,110 | 01:32:07,110 | 維持原案 |
| 01:32:07,560 | 01:32:08,560 | 進步可以很少 |
| 01:32:08,560 | 01:32:10,560 | 但不能沒有進步 |
| 01:32:10,630 | 01:32:12,630 | 所以我希望的是 |
| 01:32:12,770 | 01:32:14,770 | 你要推翻我們的論調 |
| 01:32:14,770 | 01:32:16,770 | 請拿出更好的版本告訴我們 |
| 01:32:17,140 | 01:32:19,140 | 讓我們能夠說服自己說服國人 |
| 01:32:19,820 | 01:32:21,820 | 吳立華委員有一見嗎 |
| 01:32:21,820 | 01:32:23,820 | 我的說法這樣可以嗎 |
| 01:32:22,680 | 01:32:23,180 | 可以 |
| 01:32:23,700 | 01:32:24,200 | 好 |
| 01:32:24,600 | 01:32:26,100 | 那持案保留 |
| 01:32:26,100 | 01:32:26,600 | 我們 |
| 01:32:26,600 | 01:32:28,600 | 擇其 |
| 01:32:28,800 | 01:32:29,800 | 再進行協商 |
| 01:32:29,800 | 01:32:30,800 | 反正我們都會列入公報記錄 |
| 01:32:30,800 | 01:32:31,800 | 那我再補充一下 |
| 01:32:31,800 | 01:32:33,300 | 因為我真的自己來自教育基層 |
| 01:32:33,300 | 01:32:34,800 | 我也請來學校當過老師 |
| 01:32:34,800 | 01:32:37,800 | 我要說私立學校它存在這個市場上 |
| 01:32:37,800 | 01:32:40,300 | 它確實是提供了家長教育選擇權 |
| 01:32:40,300 | 01:32:43,800 | 因為私立學校的很多教學課程設計 |
| 01:32:43,800 | 01:32:44,800 | 私生筆 |
| 01:32:44,800 | 01:32:47,800 | 或者是它要讓學生去參加什麼樣的競賽 |
| 01:32:47,800 | 01:32:50,300 | 它的法規範其實是跟我們公立學校是不一樣的 |
| 01:32:50,300 | 01:32:53,300 | 所以確實提高到95% |
| 01:32:53,300 | 01:32:55,800 | 這件事情也許是OECD |
| 01:32:55,800 | 01:32:57,800 | 大家對於幼兒教育的期待 |
| 01:32:57,800 | 01:32:59,800 | 但保留一定的比例 |
| 01:32:59,800 | 01:33:01,800 | 在市場上私校還是有其必要 |
| 01:33:01,800 | 01:33:03,800 | 但不能因此因為它有私校 |
| 01:33:03,800 | 01:33:04,800 | 我們就說政府 |
| 01:33:04,800 | 01:33:06,800 | 那你要補好補滿 |
| 01:33:06,800 | 01:33:07,800 | 我覺得這個邏輯是不一樣的喔 |
| 01:33:07,800 | 01:33:08,800 | 再次強調 |
| 01:33:08,800 | 01:33:10,800 | 沒關係我們尊重不同的意見喔 |
| 01:33:10,800 | 01:33:12,800 | 但我要說的就很簡單 |
| 01:33:12,800 | 01:33:15,800 | 只要有更優於現況的方案 |
| 01:33:15,800 | 01:33:19,800 | 利於國人在這個生育率的提升 |
| 01:33:19,800 | 01:33:21,800 | 以及生活負擔的減輕 |
| 01:33:21,800 | 01:33:23,800 | 我們都可以討論 |
| 01:33:23,800 | 01:33:25,800 | 那當然如果版本都沒有更好 |
| 01:33:25,800 | 01:33:27,800 | 我們還是會堅持原本的版本 |
| 01:33:27,800 | 01:33:29,800 | 就是希望公托公幼免費 |
| 01:33:29,800 | 01:33:31,800 | 私托私幼補助家長 |
| 01:33:31,800 | 01:33:34,800 | 每人每月1萬5 |
| 01:33:34,800 | 01:33:38,800 | 這個東西我還是要跟教育部再一次的呼籲 |
| 01:33:38,800 | 01:33:40,800 | 我們大家一起共同來努力 |
| 01:33:40,800 | 01:33:42,800 | 如何讓這個部分能夠再提升 |
| 01:33:42,800 | 01:33:44,800 | 這個也要特別拜託大家 |
| 01:33:44,800 | 01:33:46,800 | 那最後剛剛也提到的喔 |
| 01:33:46,800 | 01:33:49,800 | 不管是私生比、薪資 |
| 01:33:49,800 | 01:33:52,800 | 或者是我們的老師的待遇的提升 |
| 01:33:52,800 | 01:33:55,800 | 這個部分右教老師也有給我們一些建議 |
| 01:33:55,800 | 01:33:56,800 | 我們都有收到 |
| 01:33:56,800 | 01:34:00,800 | 所以能夠希望把這個部分納入到配套機制 |
| 01:34:00,800 | 01:34:02,800 | 這個我們都一定要 |
| 01:34:03,890 | 01:34:08,890 | 斟酌整個文字上希望能夠適應 |
| 01:34:08,890 | 01:34:09,890 | 也不是只有 |
| 01:34:10,590 | 01:34:11,590 | 雙贏而已 |
| 01:34:11,590 | 01:34:12,590 | 好不好 |
| 01:34:13,070 | 01:34:15,070 | 好 哲喜協商 |
| 01:34:16,280 | 01:34:18,280 | 再進行協商喔 謝謝 |
| 01:34:20,010 | 01:34:22,010 | 主題六 教育文化 |
| 01:34:23,300 | 01:34:25,300 | 社會福利衛生環境 |
| 01:34:25,960 | 01:34:26,960 | 我們 |
| 01:34:27,890 | 01:34:28,890 | 你去用 |
| 01:34:28,890 | 01:34:29,890 | 欸 我們是不是要處理 |
| 01:34:32,760 | 01:34:34,760 | 下一條 下一條還沒啦 |
| 01:34:36,360 | 01:34:37,360 | 還有還有還有 |
| 01:34:37,360 | 01:34:39,360 | 還沒到主題六啦 |
| 01:34:40,630 | 01:34:42,630 | 下一條 第七條先哲喜再審嘛 |
| 01:34:42,630 | 01:34:43,630 | 再協商嘛 |
| 01:34:43,630 | 01:34:44,630 | 好 再下一個 |
| 01:34:47,750 | 01:34:48,750 | 是嗎 |
| 01:34:52,170 | 01:34:54,170 | 那就是43條 |
| 01:34:54,330 | 01:34:55,330 | 52條 |
| 01:34:59,900 | 01:35:01,900 | 好 照協商通知的案數喔 |
| 01:35:01,900 | 01:35:04,900 | 我們現在要處理幼兒照顧法43條 |
| 01:35:04,900 | 01:35:06,900 | 52條 條例修正 |
| 01:35:06,900 | 01:35:07,900 | 請大家閱讀 |
| 01:35:08,860 | 01:35:11,860 | 是不是請教育部直接回應 |
| 01:35:11,860 | 01:35:13,860 | 剛剛好像已經回應到一半了喔 |
| 01:35:16,590 | 01:35:18,590 | 主席及各位委員喔 |
| 01:35:18,590 | 01:35:20,590 | 有關第43條 |
| 01:35:20,590 | 01:35:22,590 | 那搭配的是52條 |
| 01:35:22,590 | 01:35:24,590 | 那主要是在 |
| 01:35:24,590 | 01:35:26,590 | 43條本來對於私立的這些 |
| 01:35:26,590 | 01:35:28,590 | 教保服務機構 |
| 01:35:28,590 | 01:35:30,590 | 它的收費項目跟用途 |
| 01:35:30,590 | 01:35:32,590 | 一直是政府所訂 |
| 01:35:32,590 | 01:35:34,590 | 那數額它本來也是權衡它自己成本喔 |
| 01:35:34,590 | 01:35:36,590 | 所以我們 |
| 01:35:36,590 | 01:35:37,590 | 另外就是它的公告 |
| 01:35:37,590 | 01:35:39,590 | 我們目前也是透過教保資訊網 |
| 01:35:39,590 | 01:35:41,590 | 揭露給所有的 |
| 01:35:41,590 | 01:35:43,590 | 民眾可以知悉 |
| 01:35:43,590 | 01:35:44,590 | 所以我們是建議喔 |
| 01:35:44,590 | 01:35:46,590 | 43跟52可以維持原來 |
| 01:35:46,590 | 01:35:48,590 | 現行的條文主要是因為 |
| 01:35:48,590 | 01:35:51,590 | 我們目前就已經有做法機制在以上 |
| 01:35:51,590 | 01:35:52,590 | 謝謝 |
| 01:35:52,590 | 01:35:53,590 | 那我推進了喔 |
| 01:35:53,590 | 01:35:54,590 | 那速度快一點 |
| 01:35:54,590 | 01:35:56,590 | 我們就直接跟上一案 |
| 01:35:56,590 | 01:35:58,590 | 保留再進行協商 |
| 01:35:58,590 | 01:36:01,590 | 因為它是跟上一案是有牽扯的喔 |
| 01:36:01,590 | 01:36:02,590 | 好 |
| 01:36:03,670 | 01:36:05,670 | 哲琪再進行協商 |
| 01:36:05,670 | 01:36:07,670 | 宣讀協商結論 |
| 01:36:07,670 | 01:36:09,670 | 本案本主題我們 |
| 01:36:09,670 | 01:36:11,670 | 在哲琪進行協商 |
| 01:36:12,390 | 01:36:13,390 | 下一個主題 |
| 01:36:14,170 | 01:36:16,170 | 教育文化委員會社會福利衛生環境 |
| 01:36:16,170 | 01:36:18,170 | 我們王玉明委員等21人 |
| 01:36:18,170 | 01:36:20,170 | 又造法修正草案 |
| 01:36:23,190 | 01:36:25,190 | 審查結果25條 |
| 01:36:25,190 | 01:36:29,190 | 詹銀通過其餘第27、28、54均保留 |
| 01:36:29,190 | 01:36:31,190 | 我們今天來討論 |
| 01:36:31,190 | 01:36:33,190 | 27 |
| 01:36:35,400 | 01:36:37,400 | 27委員修正是一個字 |
| 01:36:37,400 | 01:36:39,400 | 因為目前在執行上 |
| 01:36:39,400 | 01:36:41,400 | 似乎也沒有疑義 |
| 01:36:41,400 | 01:36:43,400 | 所以我們是建議說 |
| 01:36:43,400 | 01:36:45,400 | 維持現行的條文 |
| 01:36:47,480 | 01:36:49,480 | 然後20 |
| 01:36:49,480 | 01:36:51,480 | 你說27 |
| 01:36:51,480 | 01:36:53,480 | 27對 |
| 01:36:54,550 | 01:36:56,550 | 一個字嘛 |
| 01:36:56,550 | 01:36:58,550 | 你跟王玉明的有差在哪裡 |
| 01:36:58,550 | 01:37:00,550 | 一個他在那裡有一個第二行有劃線 |
| 01:37:00,550 | 01:37:02,550 | 有沒有 設有 |
| 01:37:03,480 | 01:37:05,480 | 其他交保服務人員設有23條 |
| 01:37:05,480 | 01:37:09,480 | 是因查詢其有無設 |
| 01:37:10,330 | 01:37:12,330 | 第23條、24條、25條的那個設嗎 |
| 01:37:12,330 | 01:37:14,330 | 對 |
| 01:37:14,330 | 01:37:16,330 | 多那個字 |
| 01:37:16,330 | 01:37:18,330 | 所以現在執行上沒有困難 |
| 01:37:18,330 | 01:37:20,330 | 委員有無意見 |
| 01:37:20,860 | 01:37:22,860 | 好我們就此條文 |
| 01:37:22,860 | 01:37:24,860 | 照 |
| 01:37:24,860 | 01:37:26,860 | 照這個 |
| 01:37:26,860 | 01:37:28,860 | 剛剛協商的我們就 |
| 01:37:28,860 | 01:37:30,860 | 原條文通過 |
| 01:37:31,560 | 01:37:33,560 | 原條文保持原條文 |
| 01:37:34,490 | 01:37:36,490 | 維持保持都可以 |
| 01:37:37,610 | 01:37:41,610 | 好不如修正維持保持現有條文 |
| 01:37:41,610 | 01:37:43,610 | 好吧OK |
| 01:37:43,610 | 01:37:45,610 | 那接下來是28條 |
| 01:37:45,610 | 01:37:47,610 | 28條也是王玉明委員21人 |
| 01:37:47,610 | 01:37:49,610 | 那這裡是在倒數第二項加入了 |
| 01:37:49,610 | 01:37:51,610 | 已經進入犯罪 |
| 01:37:51,610 | 01:37:53,610 | 偵查審判期間 |
| 01:37:53,610 | 01:37:55,610 | 那因為目前我們本來就有調查機制 |
| 01:37:55,610 | 01:37:57,610 | 如果是有這兩種情形的話 |
| 01:37:57,610 | 01:37:59,610 | 他本來也會做行政調查 |
| 01:37:59,610 | 01:38:01,610 | 所以呢到目前為止 |
| 01:38:01,610 | 01:38:03,610 | 我們在整體的運作上面 |
| 01:38:03,610 | 01:38:05,610 | 也是都沒有問題的 |
| 01:38:06,220 | 01:38:08,220 | 對不起 |
| 01:38:07,060 | 01:38:09,060 | 所以我們建議維持原條文 |
| 01:38:12,540 | 01:38:14,540 | 咳 |
| 01:38:14,350 | 01:38:16,350 | 你說第28條 |
| 01:38:16,350 | 01:38:18,350 | 28條倒數第二項 |
| 01:38:22,500 | 01:38:24,500 | 對啊 |
| 01:38:24,500 | 01:38:26,500 | 一個是刑事偵查 |
| 01:38:26,500 | 01:38:28,500 | 一個是自發偵探 |
| 01:38:28,500 | 01:38:30,500 | 所以跟他一起 |
| 01:38:30,530 | 01:38:32,530 | 他會不會跟前面有聯動性 |
| 01:38:34,410 | 01:38:36,410 | 會嗎 |
| 01:38:35,680 | 01:38:37,680 | 跟前面是沒有聯動性 |
| 01:38:37,680 | 01:38:39,680 | 沒有聯動性 |
| 01:38:38,800 | 01:38:40,800 | 所以你覺得不會影響增加這文字 |
| 01:38:44,570 | 01:38:46,570 | 目前已經可以執行了 |
| 01:38:46,570 | 01:38:48,570 | 所以加不加都沒有影響 |
| 01:38:48,570 | 01:38:50,570 | 好有意見 |
| 01:38:53,470 | 01:38:55,470 | 好保留原條文 |
| 01:38:56,390 | 01:38:58,390 | 對修正 |
| 01:38:58,390 | 01:39:00,390 | 維持原條文 |
| 01:39:00,370 | 01:39:02,370 | 下一個 |
| 01:39:01,650 | 01:39:03,650 | 下一個是王玉敏委員54條 |
| 01:39:03,650 | 01:39:05,650 | 54條這裡 |
| 01:39:05,650 | 01:39:07,650 | 其實如果要調高 |
| 01:39:07,650 | 01:39:09,650 | 我們本來是沒有太多的意見 |
| 01:39:09,650 | 01:39:11,650 | 但是因為整個右教 |
| 01:39:11,650 | 01:39:13,650 | 是有兩法右教法跟教保條例 |
| 01:39:13,650 | 01:39:15,650 | 那因為兩法對於 |
| 01:39:15,650 | 01:39:17,650 | 相關人員的罰的額度是一致的 |
| 01:39:17,650 | 01:39:19,650 | 所以這裡如果把 |
| 01:39:19,650 | 01:39:21,650 | 這個負責人跟其他人員 |
| 01:39:21,650 | 01:39:23,650 | 調高到6萬到30萬以下 |
| 01:39:23,650 | 01:39:25,650 | 那反而教保服務人員 |
| 01:39:25,650 | 01:39:27,650 | 又是原來的3萬到15萬 |
| 01:39:27,650 | 01:39:29,650 | 所以不同法系之間 |
| 01:39:29,650 | 01:39:31,650 | 就會產生不一致 |
| 01:39:31,650 | 01:39:33,650 | 然後再來就是如果說 |
| 01:39:33,650 | 01:39:35,650 | 他真的是情形比較 |
| 01:39:35,650 | 01:39:37,650 | 嚴重 |
| 01:39:37,650 | 01:39:39,650 | 我們目前在右教法裡頭的 |
| 01:39:39,650 | 01:39:41,650 | 第61條裡頭 |
| 01:39:41,650 | 01:39:43,650 | 已經有文字 |
| 01:39:43,650 | 01:39:45,650 | 那他們可以依照行政法法 |
| 01:39:45,650 | 01:39:47,650 | 再去審討他的情形 |
| 01:39:47,650 | 01:39:49,650 | 可以著微調整 |
| 01:39:49,650 | 01:39:51,650 | 他的額度以上 |
| 01:39:51,650 | 01:39:53,650 | 所以我們建議這也是維持原條文 |
| 01:39:53,650 | 01:39:55,650 | 以上 |
| 01:40:00,510 | 01:40:02,510 | 好 其他委員 |
| 01:40:04,590 | 01:40:06,590 | 依教育部的建議就是維持原條文嗎 |
| 01:40:08,800 | 01:40:10,800 | 我看一下 |
| 01:40:16,960 | 01:40:18,960 | 請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目 |
| 01:40:28,510 | 01:40:30,510 | 現行的條文 |
| 01:40:30,510 | 01:40:32,510 | 所罰的款項 |
| 01:40:32,510 | 01:40:34,510 | 也都是跟這個一樣嗎 |
| 01:40:34,510 | 01:40:36,510 | 現行條文是罰3萬到15萬 |
| 01:40:36,510 | 01:40:38,510 | 現在要把它調高一倍 |
| 01:40:38,510 | 01:40:40,510 | 變成6萬到30萬 |
| 01:40:40,510 | 01:40:42,510 | 但是這個條文對的是負責人跟其他 |
| 01:40:42,510 | 01:40:44,510 | 服務人員 |
| 01:40:44,510 | 01:40:46,510 | 那整個幼兒園裡面他們有兩法 |
| 01:40:46,510 | 01:40:48,510 | 一個是現在在審的這個 |
| 01:40:48,510 | 01:40:50,510 | 右教法 |
| 01:40:50,510 | 01:40:52,510 | 另外還有一個教保服務人員條例 |
| 01:40:52,510 | 01:40:54,510 | 那負責人跟其他人員 |
| 01:40:54,510 | 01:40:56,510 | 就在這個法 |
| 01:40:56,510 | 01:40:58,510 | 所以這個法律是另外在教保服務條例 |
| 01:40:58,510 | 01:41:00,510 | 那我們現在如果修這個地方 |
| 01:41:00,510 | 01:41:02,510 | 就等於說原內各種不同人 |
| 01:41:02,510 | 01:41:04,510 | 在通報的罰則是不一致的 |
| 01:41:04,510 | 01:41:06,510 | 好這個等一下我協商一下 |
| 01:41:08,300 | 01:41:10,300 | 休息五分鐘 |
| 01:41:11,860 | 01:41:13,860 | 你現在基隆這個案子 |
| 01:41:16,030 | 01:41:18,030 | 罰6000到6萬 |
| 01:41:18,470 | 01:41:20,470 | 跟這條有沒有連動性 |
| 01:41:23,080 | 01:41:25,080 | 這個只有原長 |
| 01:41:53,080 | 01:41:55,080 | 因為基隆這個案件出來以後 |
| 01:41:55,080 | 01:41:57,080 | 基隆只罰6萬 |
| 01:41:58,260 | 01:42:00,260 | 他們就爆炸了 |
| 01:42:00,260 | 01:42:02,260 | 那也是一條通報 |
| 01:42:02,260 | 01:42:04,260 | 對所以我這一條 |
| 01:42:04,260 | 01:42:06,260 | 往上修教保條例我也要往上修 |
| 01:42:06,260 | 01:42:08,260 | 但其實應該要看 |
| 01:42:08,260 | 01:42:10,260 | 就是說其實在整個教育現場 |
| 01:42:10,260 | 01:42:12,260 | 各種不同的原通報的責任 |
| 01:42:12,260 | 01:42:14,260 | 就有其餘 |
| 01:42:14,260 | 01:42:16,260 | 如果說其他在學校裡面的通報 |
| 01:42:16,260 | 01:42:18,260 | 也不到30萬但是對幼兒園 |
| 01:42:18,260 | 01:42:20,260 | 特別有用在其實對右教現場 |
| 01:42:20,260 | 01:42:22,260 | 我跟你講 |
| 01:42:22,260 | 01:42:24,260 | 這一條先保留沒有共識 |
| 01:42:24,260 | 01:42:26,260 | 你跟王玉米說服再說 |
| 01:42:26,780 | 01:42:28,780 | 因為現在卡到我對這個 |
| 01:42:28,780 | 01:42:30,780 | 教保條例我的刑事律師 |
| 01:42:30,780 | 01:42:32,780 | 要排下次要修教保條例 |
| 01:42:32,780 | 01:42:34,780 | 46條 |
| 01:42:34,780 | 01:42:36,780 | 謝國良他們說那個真的罰太輕了 |
| 01:42:36,780 | 01:42:38,780 | 家長都爆炸 |
| 01:42:39,460 | 01:42:41,460 | 越同越萬 |
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| 01:46:05,130 | 01:46:07,130 | 好這樣開會 |
| 01:46:06,850 | 01:46:08,850 | 你要我練什麼你再講沒關係 |
| 01:46:10,140 | 01:46:12,140 | 第54條 |
| 01:46:15,020 | 01:46:17,020 | 教育部建議維持現行條文 |
| 01:46:17,020 | 01:46:19,020 | 但是我們在協商的過程 |
| 01:46:19,020 | 01:46:21,020 | 還是有很多的意見 |
| 01:46:21,020 | 01:46:23,020 | 我覺得這一條 |
| 01:46:22,760 | 01:46:24,760 | 不能夠馬上做決定 |
| 01:46:24,760 | 01:46:26,760 | 我們還是保留 |
| 01:46:26,760 | 01:46:28,760 | 則其再協商 |
| 01:46:28,760 | 01:46:30,760 | 因為有其必要性 |
| 01:46:30,760 | 01:46:32,760 | 那我想其他的委員 |
| 01:46:32,760 | 01:46:34,760 | 我們不贅述就是希望說 |
| 01:46:34,760 | 01:46:36,760 | 這個還要再多討論謝謝 |
| 01:46:36,500 | 01:46:38,500 | 則其再進行協商謝謝 |
| 01:46:40,010 | 01:46:42,010 | 我回過頭再問你確定一下 |
| 01:46:42,010 | 01:46:44,010 | 你28條是現行可以 |
| 01:46:44,010 | 01:46:46,010 | 我才可以放你過 |
| 01:46:46,010 | 01:46:48,010 | 不要到時候我們對家長沒辦法交代 |
| 01:46:50,560 | 01:46:52,560 | 沒有問題喔 |
| 01:46:52,010 | 01:46:54,010 | 不會有任何疑慮喔 |
| 01:46:54,010 | 01:46:56,010 | 好謝謝 |
| 01:46:55,350 | 01:46:57,350 | 咳 |
| 01:46:59,670 | 01:47:01,670 | 補充宣告喔 |
| 01:47:01,670 | 01:47:03,670 | 大學法第35條條文修正 |
| 01:47:03,670 | 01:47:05,670 | 新增附帶決議 |
| 01:47:05,670 | 01:47:07,670 | 附帶決議為減輕青年學子與家庭經濟負擔 |
| 01:47:07,670 | 01:47:09,670 | 教育部雖已 |
| 01:47:09,670 | 01:47:11,670 | 推動多項就學 |
| 01:47:11,670 | 01:47:13,670 | 貸款優惠措施 |
| 01:47:13,670 | 01:47:15,670 | 每年已經投入 |
| 01:47:15,670 | 01:47:17,670 | 餘20億元支應利息及 |
| 01:47:17,670 | 01:47:19,670 | 提供寬 |
| 01:47:19,670 | 01:47:21,670 | 措施等為進一步 |
| 01:47:21,670 | 01:47:23,670 | 減輕學生還款壓力 |
| 01:47:23,670 | 01:47:25,670 | 請教育部持續研議 |
| 01:47:25,670 | 01:47:27,670 | 於下學年度 |
| 01:47:27,670 | 01:47:29,670 | 編列預算全額 |
| 01:47:29,670 | 01:47:31,670 | 補助就學貸款利息 |
| 01:47:31,670 | 01:47:33,670 | 提案人羅廷瑋 |
| 01:47:33,670 | 01:47:35,670 | 院之蔡春筹 |
| 01:47:35,670 | 01:47:37,670 | 附帶決議有意見 |
| 01:47:38,730 | 01:47:40,730 | 好沒有意見好再通過 |
| 01:47:41,550 | 01:47:43,550 | 根正我們協商結論喔 |
| 01:47:43,550 | 01:47:45,550 | 附帶通過附帶決議 |
| 01:47:45,550 | 01:47:47,550 | 共兩項一併 |
| 01:47:53,870 | 01:47:55,870 | 專科學校法第四條 |
| 01:47:55,870 | 01:47:57,870 | 條文修正附帶決議 |
| 01:47:58,460 | 01:48:00,460 | 新增附帶決議 |
| 01:48:00,460 | 01:48:02,460 | 也是跟剛剛大學法一樣 |
| 01:48:02,460 | 01:48:04,460 | 於下學年度補助就學貸款利息 |
| 01:48:04,460 | 01:48:06,460 | 提案人羅廷瑋蔡春筹院之 |
| 01:48:06,460 | 01:48:08,460 | 有沒有意見 |
| 01:48:07,240 | 01:48:09,240 | 好沒有意見我們在 |
| 01:48:09,240 | 01:48:11,240 | 第一這條條文當中 |
| 01:48:11,240 | 01:48:13,240 | 協商結論照 |
| 01:48:13,240 | 01:48:15,240 | 剛剛內容的 |
| 01:48:15,830 | 01:48:17,830 | 原條文通過 |
| 01:48:17,830 | 01:48:19,830 | 剛剛協商的條文通過 |
| 01:48:19,830 | 01:48:21,830 | 但是我今天又新增附帶決議 |
| 01:48:21,830 | 01:48:23,830 | 所以共兩案附帶決議 |
| 01:48:23,830 | 01:48:25,830 | 兩項 |
| 01:48:27,230 | 01:48:29,230 | 好我們繼續下一個主題吧 |
| 01:48:29,760 | 01:48:31,760 | 教育局文化委員會社會福利及衛生環境 |
| 01:48:31,760 | 01:48:33,760 | 委員會報告 |
| 01:48:34,140 | 01:48:36,140 | 委員會審查 |
| 01:48:36,140 | 01:48:38,140 | 蘇星權20人 |
| 01:48:38,140 | 01:48:40,140 | 教育照顧法第37條 |
| 01:48:40,140 | 01:48:42,140 | 條文修正草案審查結果 |
| 01:48:42,140 | 01:48:44,140 | 第37條保留 |
| 01:48:44,140 | 01:48:46,140 | 送院會黨團協商 |
| 01:48:46,640 | 01:48:48,640 | 那 |
| 01:48:48,640 | 01:48:50,640 | 福昆祺等20人你去 |
| 01:48:50,640 | 01:48:52,640 | 教育法第37條條文修正草案 |
| 01:48:52,640 | 01:48:54,640 | 進附二讀 |
| 01:48:53,850 | 01:48:55,850 | 並按審查 |
| 01:48:55,550 | 01:48:57,550 | 今天我們來到37條 |
| 01:48:57,550 | 01:48:59,550 | 請 |
| 01:48:59,080 | 01:49:01,080 | 下一步直接說明 |
| 01:49:01,710 | 01:49:03,710 | 好那主席及各位委員 |
| 01:49:03,710 | 01:49:05,710 | 有關第37條兩案的部分 |
| 01:49:05,710 | 01:49:07,710 | 那我們在幼兒園裡面的 |
| 01:49:07,710 | 01:49:09,710 | 健康飲食內容 |
| 01:49:09,710 | 01:49:11,710 | 已經有訂有幼兒園餐點 |
| 01:49:11,710 | 01:49:13,710 | 食物內容及營養基準 |
| 01:49:13,710 | 01:49:15,710 | 那就這裡面的規範都必須 |
| 01:49:15,710 | 01:49:17,710 | 符合食品安全衛生管理法 |
| 01:49:17,710 | 01:49:19,710 | 然後都必須經過相關的 |
| 01:49:19,710 | 01:49:21,710 | 認證跟標章 |
| 01:49:21,710 | 01:49:23,710 | 那同時在公餐的部分 |
| 01:49:23,710 | 01:49:25,710 | 也必須要依照幼兒園以及分班 |
| 01:49:25,710 | 01:49:27,710 | 設立變更管理辦法 |
| 01:49:27,710 | 01:49:29,710 | 38條的規定 |
| 01:49:29,710 | 01:49:31,710 | 同時這些餐點表 |
| 01:49:31,710 | 01:49:33,710 | 等等的都必須對外公告 |
| 01:49:33,710 | 01:49:35,710 | 那受家長的監督 |
| 01:49:35,710 | 01:49:37,710 | 那因為現行已經有相關的機制在 |
| 01:49:37,710 | 01:49:39,710 | 所以我們建議能夠維持現行條文 |
| 01:49:42,770 | 01:49:43,270 | 好 |
| 01:49:43,850 | 01:49:45,850 | 那我提議 |
| 01:49:45,890 | 01:49:47,890 | 保留好嗎 |
| 01:49:47,590 | 01:49:49,590 | 好謝謝 |
| 01:49:48,980 | 01:49:50,980 | 我們就擇其再審 |
| 01:49:50,980 | 01:49:52,980 | 再進行協商謝謝下一個 |
| 01:49:53,250 | 01:49:55,250 | 教育文化委員會陳佩玉委員 |
| 01:49:55,250 | 01:49:57,250 | 用的照顧法第11條第12條 |
| 01:49:57,250 | 01:49:59,250 | 第32條條文修正草案 |
| 01:49:59,250 | 01:50:01,250 | 第11條審查結果是 |
| 01:50:01,250 | 01:50:03,250 | 第11條第12條 |
| 01:50:03,250 | 01:50:05,250 | 甄定第12條之二均保留受 |
| 01:50:05,250 | 01:50:07,250 | 受院會處理協商 |
| 01:50:06,760 | 01:50:08,760 | 來我們現在處理陳佩玉委員 |
| 01:50:10,020 | 01:50:12,020 | 的提案 |
| 01:50:13,870 | 01:50:15,870 | 陳佩玉委員請問你的第11條 |
| 01:50:15,870 | 01:50:17,870 | 有沒有意見 |
| 01:50:17,550 | 01:50:19,550 | 主席我就一併說明好不好 |
| 01:50:19,550 | 01:50:21,550 | 11 12還有32條之一 |
| 01:50:21,550 | 01:50:23,550 | 我相信教育部 |
| 01:50:23,550 | 01:50:25,550 | 目前一定有收到大量 |
| 01:50:25,550 | 01:50:27,550 | 來自第一線的懲情其實是有 |
| 01:50:27,550 | 01:50:29,550 | 越來越多家長對於如何協助小孩 |
| 01:50:29,550 | 01:50:31,550 | 使用3C但不要 |
| 01:50:31,550 | 01:50:33,550 | 過度使用使用數位教材 |
| 01:50:33,550 | 01:50:35,550 | 但不要過度依賴 |
| 01:50:35,550 | 01:50:37,550 | 的這個困境那有 |
| 01:50:37,550 | 01:50:39,550 | 越來越多的幼兒園老師也表達出 |
| 01:50:39,550 | 01:50:41,550 | 他們對於相關的教案設計也好 |
| 01:50:41,550 | 01:50:43,550 | 閱讀資源的提供也好 |
| 01:50:43,550 | 01:50:45,550 | 或者是相關內容的理解他們 |
| 01:50:45,550 | 01:50:47,550 | 其實都需要更多教育部的協助 |
| 01:50:47,550 | 01:50:49,550 | 所以我其實從之前就已經 |
| 01:50:49,550 | 01:50:51,550 | 提出我們確實在國教法 |
| 01:50:51,550 | 01:50:53,550 | 修法的時候我不確定 |
| 01:50:53,550 | 01:50:55,550 | 教育部長官你們記不記得我們在 |
| 01:50:55,550 | 01:50:57,550 | 三年前的教育國教法修法 |
| 01:50:57,550 | 01:50:59,550 | 的時候當時我們說 |
| 01:50:59,550 | 01:51:01,550 | 所有的 |
| 01:51:01,550 | 01:51:03,550 | 閱讀資源都必須要靠教育部 |
| 01:51:03,550 | 01:51:05,550 | 的剩餘款才有 |
| 01:51:05,550 | 01:51:07,550 | 錢有機會讓學校買書 |
| 01:51:07,550 | 01:51:09,550 | 後來在修國教法的時候 |
| 01:51:09,550 | 01:51:11,550 | 當時的潘部長就承諾 |
| 01:51:11,550 | 01:51:13,550 | 我們入了國教 |
| 01:51:13,550 | 01:51:15,550 | 法裡面每年因編列相關 |
| 01:51:15,550 | 01:51:17,550 | 預算買書 |
| 01:51:17,550 | 01:51:19,550 | 那我覺得在國教階段已經有了我希望 |
| 01:51:19,550 | 01:51:21,550 | 往下到幼兒園加更因為 |
| 01:51:22,090 | 01:51:24,090 | 他就算不是培養閱讀能力 |
| 01:51:24,090 | 01:51:26,090 | 他其實也要透過閱讀能力的 |
| 01:51:26,090 | 01:51:28,090 | 扎根跟培養 |
| 01:51:28,090 | 01:51:30,090 | 讓他去面對3C這件事情 |
| 01:51:30,090 | 01:51:32,090 | 他需要有不同的免疫力 |
| 01:51:32,090 | 01:51:34,090 | 所以我比較認為閱讀 |
| 01:51:34,090 | 01:51:36,090 | 閱讀的能力他像 |
| 01:51:36,090 | 01:51:38,090 | 在面對這個3C的困境的時候他比較像是免疫力 |
| 01:51:38,090 | 01:51:40,090 | 所以我還是希望可以堅持 |
| 01:51:40,090 | 01:51:42,090 | 在第11條 |
| 01:51:42,090 | 01:51:44,090 | 把建立幼兒閱讀興趣放進去 |
| 01:51:44,090 | 01:51:46,090 | 第12條為了 |
| 01:51:46,090 | 01:51:48,090 | 回應這個興趣的需求 |
| 01:51:48,090 | 01:51:50,090 | 我們必須把相關資源還有相關 |
| 01:51:50,090 | 01:51:52,090 | 教案放進來 |
| 01:51:52,090 | 01:51:54,090 | 服務內容到第32條 |
| 01:51:54,090 | 01:51:56,090 | 相關空間採購的 |
| 01:51:56,090 | 01:51:58,090 | 預算等等其實是一起的 |
| 01:51:58,090 | 01:52:00,090 | 我認為這件事情我們我知道現在 |
| 01:52:00,090 | 01:52:02,090 | 很多執法有在做可是我還是 |
| 01:52:02,090 | 01:52:04,090 | 希望他把它放到魔法裡面 |
| 01:52:04,090 | 01:52:06,090 | 給更多老師跟家長感覺 |
| 01:52:06,090 | 01:52:08,090 | 到教育部在這個議題上的支持跟 |
| 01:52:08,090 | 01:52:10,090 | 信念還有確實 |
| 01:52:10,090 | 01:52:12,090 | 未來會花更多資源更多力氣 |
| 01:52:12,090 | 01:52:14,090 | 更多時間更多政策往這裡去 |
| 01:52:14,090 | 01:52:16,090 | 好以上 |
| 01:52:20,060 | 01:52:22,060 | 好 |
| 01:52:21,070 | 01:52:23,070 | 那是不是就請教一部直接回應 |
| 01:52:23,070 | 01:52:25,070 | 可不可以配合這好事 |
| 01:52:25,070 | 01:52:27,070 | 就配合嘛 |
| 01:52:27,070 | 01:52:29,070 | 那委員11條跟12條 |
| 01:52:29,070 | 01:52:31,070 | 的部分雖然我們目前在教保服務 |
| 01:52:31,070 | 01:52:33,070 | 實施準則然後委員也 |
| 01:52:33,070 | 01:52:35,070 | 有很多的一些建議 |
| 01:52:35,070 | 01:52:37,070 | 那我們課綱設施設備標準 |
| 01:52:37,070 | 01:52:39,070 | 也都有我們目前訂了一個 |
| 01:52:39,070 | 01:52:41,070 | 閱讀的推動計畫不過就是說 |
| 01:52:41,070 | 01:52:43,070 | 在那個第11條跟第12條 |
| 01:52:43,070 | 01:52:45,070 | 確實也是幼兒園目前 |
| 01:52:45,070 | 01:52:47,070 | 在執行的事項所以我們也尊重 |
| 01:52:47,070 | 01:52:49,070 | 委員但是就後面 |
| 01:52:49,070 | 01:52:51,070 | 的那個第32之1條的部分 |
| 01:52:51,070 | 01:52:53,070 | 因為有關設施設備的部分 |
| 01:52:53,070 | 01:52:55,070 | 我們已經在設施設備標準 |
| 01:52:55,070 | 01:52:57,070 | 裡頭已經有了有各式各樣 |
| 01:52:57,070 | 01:52:59,070 | 的這個設備所以我們是建議 |
| 01:52:59,070 | 01:53:01,070 | 第32之1條的部分 |
| 01:53:01,070 | 01:53:03,070 | 可以保可以維持 |
| 01:53:03,070 | 01:53:05,070 | 原來的條文就是不鎮定以上 |
| 01:53:06,940 | 01:53:08,940 | 好我先回應一下教育部 |
| 01:53:08,940 | 01:53:10,940 | 所以我們11 12可以修法嗎 |
| 01:53:10,940 | 01:53:12,940 | 可以按照我們的修法版本喔謝謝教育部 |
| 01:53:12,940 | 01:53:14,940 | 總算可以通過期待未來三讀 |
| 01:53:14,940 | 01:53:16,940 | 那我們來看一下32之1 |
| 01:53:16,940 | 01:53:18,940 | 其實我的寫法我也知道教育部的 |
| 01:53:18,940 | 01:53:20,940 | 理解可是我這裡寫的是 |
| 01:53:20,940 | 01:53:22,940 | 得設啦也就是說如果 |
| 01:53:22,940 | 01:53:24,940 | 教保服務機構不用映射 |
| 01:53:24,940 | 01:53:26,940 | 用得設就可以了給予鼓勵性 |
| 01:53:26,940 | 01:53:28,940 | 的精神啦指示性然後沒有 |
| 01:53:28,940 | 01:53:30,940 | 映射啦好不好我就用得設 |
| 01:53:30,940 | 01:53:32,940 | 應該可以嘛來 |
| 01:53:51,670 | 01:53:53,670 | 那我們可以回答一下嗎 |
| 01:53:53,670 | 01:53:55,670 | 可以回答嗎 |
| 01:53:56,630 | 01:53:58,630 | 請教育部先回應 |
| 01:53:58,630 | 01:54:00,630 | 好那這邊跟委員報告 |
| 01:54:00,630 | 01:54:02,630 | 就是說閱讀確實是很重要 |
| 01:54:02,630 | 01:54:04,630 | 那部裡面這幾年其實也編列相關 |
| 01:54:04,630 | 01:54:06,630 | 的經費不只是 |
| 01:54:06,630 | 01:54:08,630 | 公立非營利準公共也都在 |
| 01:54:08,630 | 01:54:10,630 | 補助啦那跟委員的方向 |
| 01:54:10,630 | 01:54:12,630 | 也是一致的那因為 |
| 01:54:12,630 | 01:54:14,630 | 幼兒園裡面他設任何的一個 |
| 01:54:14,630 | 01:54:16,630 | 市啦或是任何一個區域 |
| 01:54:16,630 | 01:54:18,630 | 我們現在幼兒園的設施設備 |
| 01:54:18,630 | 01:54:20,630 | 標準裡面已經有了 |
| 01:54:20,630 | 01:54:22,630 | 那我們回過頭來也可以再檢視 |
| 01:54:22,630 | 01:54:24,630 | 我們的標準那委員期待 |
| 01:54:24,630 | 01:54:26,630 | 如果在閱讀的部分可以再多一點琢磨 |
| 01:54:26,630 | 01:54:28,630 | 我們會建議放在我們的 |
| 01:54:28,630 | 01:54:30,630 | 設施設備標準裡面 |
| 01:54:30,630 | 01:54:32,630 | 來做處理不要在 |
| 01:54:32,630 | 01:54:34,630 | 或是再增加附帶決議 |
| 01:54:34,630 | 01:54:36,630 | 但是我們比較不建議 |
| 01:54:36,630 | 01:54:38,630 | 放在幼照法裡頭 |
| 01:54:38,630 | 01:54:40,630 | 來規定以上 |
| 01:54:40,630 | 01:54:42,630 | 好那我那個 |
| 01:54:42,630 | 01:54:44,630 | 接受教育部的建議那附帶決議 |
| 01:54:44,630 | 01:54:46,630 | 的部分有沒有什麼建議寫法 |
| 01:54:47,600 | 01:54:49,600 | 我們把這個精神還是要納入 |
| 01:54:52,540 | 01:54:54,540 | 保護小姐附帶決議好不好 |
| 01:54:54,540 | 01:54:56,540 | 那我們三十二之一就不堅持 |
| 01:54:56,540 | 01:54:58,540 | 但是感謝教育部十一十二我們就 |
| 01:54:58,540 | 01:55:00,540 | 按照我們的版本通過謝謝 |
| 01:55:05,690 | 01:55:07,690 | 所以陳培瑜委員就是 |
| 01:55:09,890 | 01:55:11,890 | 十一十二條照 |
| 01:55:12,770 | 01:55:14,770 | 陳培瑜委員提議案通過 |
| 01:55:16,080 | 01:55:18,080 | 第三十二條 |
| 01:55:18,080 | 01:55:20,080 | 三十二之一不予 |
| 01:55:20,080 | 01:55:22,080 | 甄定 |
| 01:55:23,940 | 01:55:25,940 | 那要不要等你寫一下 |
| 01:55:25,560 | 01:55:27,560 | 我休息一下 |
| 01:55:27,560 | 01:55:29,560 | 休息五分鐘 |
| 02:02:45,380 | 02:02:47,380 | 現在開會 |
| 02:02:47,150 | 02:02:49,150 | 那 |
| 02:02:51,010 | 02:02:53,010 | 附帶決議都OK的 |
| 02:02:53,340 | 02:02:55,340 | 多倫桃 |
| 02:02:54,780 | 02:02:56,780 | 那陳培瑜委員也都支持你 |
| 02:02:56,780 | 02:02:58,780 | 剛剛你也幫我講話 |
| 02:02:58,780 | 02:03:00,780 | 那我也現在幫你講話 |
| 02:03:00,780 | 02:03:02,780 | 好的對國人的我們都 |
| 02:03:02,780 | 02:03:04,780 | 一起努力難得我們有共識 |
| 02:03:08,140 | 02:03:10,140 | 跟你合作愉快 |
| 02:03:10,140 | 02:03:12,140 | 教育照顧法第十二條 |
| 02:03:12,140 | 02:03:14,140 | 附帶決議 |
| 02:03:14,140 | 02:03:16,140 | 建請教育部 |
| 02:03:16,140 | 02:03:18,140 | 寬列預算支持教保服務機構 |
| 02:03:18,140 | 02:03:20,140 | 推動閱讀教育 |
| 02:03:20,140 | 02:03:22,140 | 與親子共讀並鼓勵 |
| 02:03:22,140 | 02:03:24,140 | 教保服務機構 |
| 02:03:24,140 | 02:03:26,140 | 設置圖書室 |
| 02:03:26,140 | 02:03:28,140 | 陳培瑜蔡村仇五立華 |
| 02:03:28,140 | 02:03:30,140 | 羅庭偉簽字 |
| 02:03:30,140 | 02:03:32,140 | 那我們就 |
| 02:03:32,140 | 02:03:34,140 | 有無意見 |
| 02:03:33,030 | 02:03:35,030 | 沒有好照 |
| 02:03:35,030 | 02:03:37,030 | 附帶決議我們就保留原條 |
| 02:03:37,030 | 02:03:39,030 | 文但是有附帶決議 |
| 02:03:39,030 | 02:03:41,030 | 這一項 |
| 02:03:41,030 | 02:03:43,030 | 那我們這一個第九案 |
| 02:03:43,030 | 02:03:45,030 | 第十一條 |
| 02:03:45,030 | 02:03:47,030 | 第十二條照委員陳培瑜等人 |
| 02:03:47,030 | 02:03:49,030 | 十八人通過 |
| 02:03:49,030 | 02:03:51,030 | 第三十二條之一不予修正 |
| 02:03:51,030 | 02:03:53,030 | 維持限定條文但通過附帶決議 |
| 02:03:53,030 | 02:03:55,030 | 一項 |
| 02:03:54,130 | 02:03:56,130 | 大家有意義 |
| 02:03:55,430 | 02:03:57,430 | 沒有意義簽字謝謝 |
| 02:04:01,030 | 02:04:03,030 | 請簽字麻煩你 |
| 02:04:04,520 | 02:04:06,520 | 第十案 |
| 02:04:06,190 | 02:04:08,190 | 林月琴 |
| 02:04:08,190 | 02:04:10,190 | 教育照顧法第30條 |
| 02:04:10,190 | 02:04:12,190 | 結果30條 |
| 02:04:12,190 | 02:04:14,190 | 送院會主理協商 |
| 02:04:13,450 | 02:04:15,450 | 教育黨的協商 |
| 02:04:15,640 | 02:04:17,640 | 30條請委員 |
| 02:04:17,640 | 02:04:19,640 | 我們直接請那個什麼 |
| 02:04:20,300 | 02:04:22,300 | 教育黨委回覆啦謝謝 |
| 02:04:33,510 | 02:04:35,510 | 對那跟主席以及各位委員 |
| 02:04:35,510 | 02:04:37,510 | 報告以目前第30條 |
| 02:04:37,510 | 02:04:39,510 | 的這一案子因為我們 |
| 02:04:39,510 | 02:04:41,510 | 我們其實修了很多 |
| 02:04:41,510 | 02:04:43,510 | 相關的行政規則或是法規 |
| 02:04:43,510 | 02:04:45,510 | 命令所以目前呢 |
| 02:04:45,510 | 02:04:47,510 | 這個委員所提的這個文字 |
| 02:04:47,510 | 02:04:49,510 | 在現行做法裡面已經可以推動 |
| 02:04:49,510 | 02:04:51,510 | 無礙所以我們建議保留 |
| 02:04:51,510 | 02:04:53,510 | 維持現行條文 |
| 02:05:03,720 | 02:05:05,720 | 你要不要講確切一下 |
| 02:05:05,720 | 02:05:07,720 | 說服幾個民進黨委員 |
| 02:05:07,720 | 02:05:09,720 | 他們的版本 |
| 02:05:16,070 | 02:05:18,070 | 好那 |
| 02:05:18,690 | 02:05:20,690 | 報告主席以及那個各位委員 |
| 02:05:20,690 | 02:05:22,690 | 那我們就尊重林委員 |
| 02:05:22,690 | 02:05:24,690 | 提的這一項修正 |
| 02:05:24,690 | 02:05:26,690 | 以上 |
| 02:05:39,970 | 02:05:41,970 | 怎麼兩次說法不太一樣 |
| 02:05:43,440 | 02:05:45,440 | 剛剛建議原條文 |
| 02:05:45,440 | 02:05:47,440 | 現在又尊重可以 |
| 02:05:54,020 | 02:05:56,020 | 所以部長 |
| 02:05:55,730 | 02:05:57,730 | 好 |
| 02:05:58,210 | 02:06:00,210 | 趙委員提案 |
| 02:06:00,710 | 02:06:02,710 | 林月琴委員提案 |
| 02:06:03,150 | 02:06:05,150 | 修正通過 |
| 02:06:04,520 | 02:06:06,520 | 修正通過 |
| 02:06:07,070 | 02:06:09,070 | 沒有我們沒有改啊 |
| 02:06:09,070 | 02:06:11,070 | 直接趙委員提案啊 |
| 02:06:12,400 | 02:06:14,400 | 來我更正一下喔 |
| 02:06:14,400 | 02:06:16,400 | 那個協商討論喔第九案 |
| 02:06:16,400 | 02:06:18,400 | 第32條之一 |
| 02:06:18,730 | 02:06:20,730 | 不予修正不予增訂 |
| 02:06:20,730 | 02:06:22,730 | 維持 |
| 02:06:23,030 | 02:06:25,030 | 不予增訂通過附帶決議一項 |
| 02:06:25,030 | 02:06:27,030 | 好下一個 |
| 02:06:28,410 | 02:06:30,410 | 沒有 |
| 02:06:30,980 | 02:06:32,980 | 回過頭來 |
| 02:06:32,840 | 02:06:34,840 | 有委員提議 |
| 02:06:34,840 | 02:06:36,840 | 來看第二案喔 |
| 02:06:36,840 | 02:06:38,840 | 58條 |
| 02:06:38,000 | 02:06:40,000 | 吳立華委員的修正版本喔 |
| 02:06:40,830 | 02:06:42,830 | 下一步可以嗎 |
| 02:06:42,760 | 02:06:44,760 | 好配合辦理照樣通過 |
| 02:06:44,760 | 02:06:46,760 | 照修正通過 |
| 02:06:47,060 | 02:06:49,060 | 簽字喔 |
| 02:06:59,550 | 02:07:01,550 | 第七案喔補充宣告 |
| 02:07:02,490 | 02:07:04,490 | 第 |
| 02:07:04,490 | 02:07:06,490 | 優惠照顧法第27條28條不予修正 |
| 02:07:06,490 | 02:07:08,490 | 維持現行條文第54條保留 |
| 02:07:08,490 | 02:07:10,490 | 其餘軍照審查會審查通過 |
| 02:07:10,490 | 02:07:12,490 | 請簽名 |
| 02:07:13,370 | 02:07:15,370 | 以上今天的協商 |
| 02:07:15,600 | 02:07:17,600 | 我們請大家補簽名文字 |
| 02:07:17,600 | 02:07:19,600 | 最後 |
| 02:07:19,600 | 02:07:21,600 | 我們今天的協商告一段落 |
| 02:07:21,600 | 02:07:23,600 | 我們 |
| 02:07:23,600 | 02:07:25,600 | 還沒有處理好的下次 |
| 02:07:25,600 | 02:07:27,600 | 再協商謝謝大家今天 |
| 02:07:27,600 | 02:07:29,600 | 配合我們今天合作愉快 |
| 02:07:29,600 | 02:07:31,600 | 感謝大家 |