| IVOD_ID |
17656 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17656 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
25 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-10T08:33:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-10T11:57:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:23:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db47bb366c6a02c818d99b5998a1d72b56d4a54903b68e37ffa96e9324332bfb9c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第25次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、法務部首長、衛生福利部首長及審計部首長就「台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管之檢討—中聯油脂事件、台糖售地案等重大債權追償暨審計部114年度決算審核意見改善情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:33:17 - 11:57:00 |
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1600 |
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我真的覺得自己的心情很難受 |
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1600 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
1619 |
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請準備報告出席人數 |
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1619 |
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1621 |
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報告委員會出席委員五人 |
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1621 |
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1622 |
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已足法定人數 |
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1622 |
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1625 |
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現在進行開會進行報告事項 |
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1625 |
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1628 |
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請宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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1628 |
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1630 |
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順利十一屆第五會期經濟委員會 |
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1630 |
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1632 |
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第24次全體委員會議事錄 |
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1632 |
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1634 |
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時間115年8月5日星期三 |
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時時33分至12時15分 |
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1636 |
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1638 |
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地點黃樓101會議室 |
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1638 |
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1640 |
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書記委員洪義祥等13人 |
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1640 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].end |
1642 |
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內行委員林大樓等12人 |
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1642 |
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1644 |
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內行委員經濟部政務次長何靜昌等 |
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1644 |
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1646 |
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主席召集委員邱志偉 |
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1646 |
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1647 |
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報告事項 |
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1647 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].end |
1648 |
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宣讀上次會議事錄 |
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1648 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].end |
1650 |
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決定確定談事項 |
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1650 |
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1651 |
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繼續審查 |
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1651 |
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1652 |
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1.行政案函情審議 |
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1652 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
1654 |
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本院委員賴文榮等17人 |
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1654 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
1656 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].text |
委員蔡吉昌等19人 |
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1656 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].end |
1657 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].text |
委員鍾嘉斌等20人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].start |
1657 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
1658 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
委員鄭天才等17人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].start |
1658 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
1660 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].text |
委員徐清穎等16人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].start |
1660 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
1661 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].text |
委員楊秋瑩等23人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].start |
1661 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].end |
1663 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].text |
委員陳庭飛等20人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].start |
1663 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
1664 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].text |
委員邱志偉等16人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].start |
1664 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].end |
1666 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].text |
分別擬具能源管理法 |
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1666 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].end |
1668 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].text |
部分條文修正草案等9案 |
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1668 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].end |
1670 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].text |
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| transcript.whisperx[1557].start |
1670 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].end |
1672 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].text |
能源管理法第7條條文修正草案 |
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1672 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].end |
1674 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].text |
3.本院委員邱義穎等17人 |
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1674 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
1676 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].text |
委員郭國文等16人分別擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].start |
1676 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].end |
1678 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
能源管理法增訂第19條之2 |
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1678 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
1680 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].text |
及第27條之1條文草案等2案 |
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1680 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
1683 |
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4.本院委員鄭天才等16人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
1683 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
1685 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].text |
能源管理法第2條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].start |
1685 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
1688 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].text |
決議1.第2條、第6條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
1688 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].end |
1690 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].text |
增訂第6條之1、第7條、第9條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
1690 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
1693 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
第18條、第19條之1、第20條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
1693 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
1695 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].text |
第20條之1、第21條、第22條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].start |
1695 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].end |
1698 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].text |
第23條、第24條及第29條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
1698 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
1700 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].text |
均照行政體驗通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
1700 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
1703 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].text |
2.增訂第3條之1、增訂第7條之1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
1703 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
1705 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].text |
增訂第10條之1、增訂第19條之1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
1705 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
1710 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].text |
增訂第20條之2及增訂第27條之1條文均不已增訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
1710 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
1713 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].text |
3.第5條條文不已修正維持現行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
1713 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
1717 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
4.第10條條文照委員鄭家斌等人所提 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
1717 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
1718 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
再修正待遇通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
1718 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
1719 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
條文如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
1719 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
1720 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
第10條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
1720 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
1726 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
能源用戶生產蒸汽達中央主管機關規定數量者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
1726 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
1728 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
應裝設氣電供生設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
1728 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
1730 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
能源用戶裝設氣電供生設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
1730 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
1734 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
有效熱能比例及總熱效率達中央主管機關規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
1734 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
1738 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
得請當地眾為電業收購及生產電能晶儀電 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
1738 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].end |
1741 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].text |
以提供系統維修或故障所需備用電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
1741 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
1745 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
當地政府電業除了正當理由並經中央主管機關核准外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
1745 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
1746 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
不得拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
1746 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
1748 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
前向收購餘電費率 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
1748 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
1753 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
氣電供生有效熱能比例與總熱效率基準查驗方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
1753 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
1757 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
裝設氣電供生之能源用戶與綜合電業相互並聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
1757 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
1758 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
電能收購方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
1758 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
1760 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
購電與備用電力費率 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
1760 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
1764 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
收購餘電依陸之執行期間及其他相關事項之備案辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
1764 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
1766 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
由中央主管機關訂製 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
1766 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
1770 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
能源用戶新增或增設用電支契約能量達規定能量者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
1770 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
1776 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
應期間內設置一定裝置能量以上之自動發電設備或儲能設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
1776 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
1785 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
前向支區域設容量期限裝置能量設置自動發電設備與儲能設備之種類方式及其他相關事項之辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
1785 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
1787 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
由中央主管機關訂製 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
1787 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
1789 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
五 討論事項所列個案審查環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
1789 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
1792 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
並用語氣審查報告提報院會討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
1792 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
1798 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
不需叫黨團協商並推請秋朝九年自委與院會討論時做補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
1798 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
1799 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
主席宣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
1799 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
1804 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
審查通過這條文相關法制用語授權主席及醫事人員整理、上會宣布完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
1806 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
1807 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
1807 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
1809 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
我們在場委員還不大聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
1809 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
1811 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
我們繼續進行報告事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].start |
1811 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
1812 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
請宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
1813 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
1819 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
邀請經濟部部長、帥台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、法務部首長、衛生福利部首長及審計部首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
1819 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].end |
1824 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
就台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管監討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
1824 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
1828 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
中聯合資事件、台南受益案等重大債權追償 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
1828 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
1833 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
暨審計部114年度決算審核意見改善情形進行報告並被質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
1833 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
1834 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].start |
1837 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
1838 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
1838 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
1842 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
那我先介紹一下列席的機關首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
1842 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
1846 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
首先我們請經濟部部長、董明星 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].start |
1846 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].end |
1849 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].text |
產業發展署署長邱求惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].start |
1850 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].end |
1853 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].text |
商業發展署署長蘇文玲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].start |
1853 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].end |
1856 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].text |
中小級新創企業署署長李冠志 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
1857 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
1861 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
台灣糖業公司副總經理蔡東霖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].start |
1862 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
1863 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
我先說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].start |
1863 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
1868 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
因為本來今天是要請董事長吳明昌兼總經理來報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
1868 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
1870 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].text |
可是他給我的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
1871 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
1875 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
出國的日期是8月5號到8月15號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].start |
1875 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
1881 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].text |
視察金字農業事業部、美國加州及加拿大貝斯芬公司影印現況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
1881 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
1887 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].text |
評估荷蘭業者進軍美國蘭花市場衝擊之、關稅之影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].start |
1888 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
1889 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].text |
所以他已經出國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
1889 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].end |
1891 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].text |
所以我也沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
1891 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
1894 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].text |
但是我還是沒看到台糖的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
1894 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
1896 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].text |
等一下可能簡單口頭報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
1896 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
1898 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].text |
因為沒有看到書面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
1899 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
1900 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
好接下來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
1900 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
1904 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].text |
法務部法律事務司代理司長謝志明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
1906 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
1910 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
再來是衛福部時後署署長江志剛署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
1912 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
1915 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].text |
審計部副審計長林如玲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
1919 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].end |
1928 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].text |
本日專題的報告排定台灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控管之檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
1928 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
1933 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
中聯有紙事件、台糖受益案等重大債權追償及審計部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
1934 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
1940 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
114年度決算審核意見改善情形進行報告並被質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
1940 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
1943 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].text |
首先我們請經濟部長公明先報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
1943 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
1945 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].text |
大概六分鐘 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
1952 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
1955 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].text |
主席、各位委員、各位女士、各位先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
1955 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
1956 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
大家早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
1956 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
1963 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
感謝各位委員會邀請本部進行有關台糖相關議題的專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].start |
1963 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
1966 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].text |
進行各位委員不吝指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
1966 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
1970 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
首先是關於中聯有紙事件的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
1970 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
1976 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
115年台糖公司向福茂採購黃豆出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
1976 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
1984 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
首批因為本品比不符合企業規範而遭到台糖公司的拒收 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
1984 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
1989 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
後續兩批雖然檢驗合格並製成沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
1989 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
1996 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
但是受到代工廠中聯成品由本品比超標事件的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
1996 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
2000 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
台糖公司採取了預防性的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
2000 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
2007 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
總共將2881公噸的相關成品跟庫存下架來控管 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
2007 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
2011 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
等待主管機關指示以後後續看能不能夠上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
2011 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
2014 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
台糖公司的因應做法是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
2014 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
2018 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
首先台糖公司自主送檢還有主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
2018 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
2025 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
主管機關包括中央食藥署還有地方高雄市政府衛生局抽驗的樣品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
2025 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
2028 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
無論是出油也好或成品油也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
2028 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
2032 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
本品比的檢驗的結果均符合相關規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
2032 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
2041 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
第二個115年5月18號據說這一批的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].start |
2041 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].end |
2045 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].text |
基本上也沒有進到台糖公司裡面也沒有製成成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
2045 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].end |
2050 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].text |
事實上這一批油事實上還在中聯的油庫裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].start |
2050 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
2056 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
非屬於食安法第七條第五項對於產品危害之通報要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
2056 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
2059 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].text |
所以依法來講的話並沒有通報的這個義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].start |
2059 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
2067 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].text |
第三個下半年台糖公司決定停購外購的這個在國內購置這個出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].start |
2067 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].end |
2072 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].text |
全數要以自主的進口黃豆來製成油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].start |
2072 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
2077 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
那第四個未來假如食安法修法通過以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
2077 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
2080 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
有訂定的明確的遵行的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
2080 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
2083 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
台糖公司也會依法來遵行辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
2083 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
2089 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
那第三機遇部就是本部115年7月28號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
2089 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
2093 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].text |
也實地到這個台糖公司小港廠去查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].start |
2093 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
2098 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
確認他沒有買到中聯有問題的這個出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
2098 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
2104 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].text |
那後續本部請台糖公司要全力配合地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].start |
2104 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
2106 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].text |
衛生局還有食藥署的抽檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
2106 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
2108 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
那儘速的恢復油品可以上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
2108 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
2114 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
那第二個也是有關於台糖公司債權追討的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].start |
2114 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].end |
2120 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].text |
首先台糖公司每一年都會按照這個持續的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].start |
2120 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].end |
2124 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].text |
財務人等等財產還有他所得的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
2124 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
2131 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].text |
那前一次申請管受目的是在希望這個債務人他可以清償 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].start |
2131 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].end |
2134 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
那因為債務人的律師在庭訓的時候承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].start |
2134 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].end |
2140 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].text |
將要提出這個清償的計畫並且跟台糖公司來做協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].start |
2140 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].end |
2146 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].text |
那基於促使這個債務人出面協商清償債務的管受的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
2146 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
2154 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].text |
台糖公司在當庭應這個法官的訊問就先行的撤回了管收的申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].start |
2154 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
2159 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
並且表示如果債務人沒有出面進行協商的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
2159 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
2162 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
會再次的向法院申請管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
2162 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
2168 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
那目前台糖公司跟這個債務人的律師代表已經在7月份中旬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].start |
2168 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
2171 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
有第一次的這個協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
2171 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
2176 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
我們已經清楚的向對方表達應該儘速的廠牌這個債權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
2176 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
2181 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
那雙方將於近期繼續的這個協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
2181 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
2185 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
我們希望儘速可以完成這樣的一個協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
2185 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
2192 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
第三是有關於審計部在114年度決善審核意見的辦理情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].start |
2192 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
2200 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
第一個首先針對合作開發案跟出租契約案終止的情勢仍然頻繁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
2200 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
2206 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
而且部分的土地屢屢遭到棄置廢棄物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
2206 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
2210 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
又帶活化的土地面積仍然也很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].start |
2210 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
2212 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].text |
租期也快要屆滿 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].start |
2212 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
2215 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
那針對這些事情辦理的情形如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
2215 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].end |
2218 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].text |
首先台糖公司積極的配合政府的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].start |
2218 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
2221 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
辦理這個招商出租 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
2221 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
2226 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
但是因為有些沒有獲到民意或地方政府的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
2226 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
2232 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
或者是開發單位另有開發計畫等等的因素導致提前來解約 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].start |
2232 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
2237 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
第二個台糖公司經營土地的面積非常遼闊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
2237 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
2239 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
遭到棄置廢棄物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
2239 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
2246 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
台糖公司將會導入科技巡檢的掌握提升這個巡查的量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
2246 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
2252 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
第三個台糖公司從104年節制到115年7月底為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
2252 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
2256 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
已經活化了1994.76公頃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
2256 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
2261 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
達成公司活化的目標是141.52% |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
2261 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
2265 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
台糖公司會持續的辦理土地活化的作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].start |
2265 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
2269 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
第二項是有關於針對租廠改建計畫統包工程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].start |
2269 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
2273 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
雖然經過了相關的趕工措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
2273 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
2275 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
但是進度仍然落後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].start |
2275 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
2277 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
那辦理的情形如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
2277 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
2280 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
第一個農業循環租廠改建的投資計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
2280 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
2282 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
投資計畫目前的進度是這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
2282 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
2286 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
第一個第一期的改善統包工程總共有六個廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
2286 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
2290 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
各廠已經分別進行了工程的檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].start |
2290 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
2292 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
適應轉跟驗收 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
2292 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
2295 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
第二期的統包工程總共有七個廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].start |
2295 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
2301 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
整體的計畫預計在115年12月開始會進行適應轉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
2301 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
2306 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
第二個就是本部每一個禮拜也會跟台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
2306 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
2309 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
同樣的統包廠商進行會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
2309 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
2314 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
持續的督促租廠提升施工的進度跟品質的改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
2314 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
2319 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
第三有關於針對配合政府平地造林的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
2319 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
2324 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
還有很多的地方遭到廢棄物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
2324 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
2325 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
那說明如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
2325 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
2327 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
台糖公司依照農業部的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
2327 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
2329 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
也復始了造林 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
2329 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
2333 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
按照他的這個請領的相關起步 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
2333 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
2336 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
同時間也主動申請註銷相關的面積 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
2336 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
2338 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
而繳回了這個造林的費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
2338 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
2341 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
第二個有關於巡查人員認知不足的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
2341 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
2344 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
沒有及時辦理漸漸的釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
2344 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
2347 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
那之前已經召開了人品會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
2347 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
2349 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
決議成主的疏實的人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
2349 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
2353 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
而且含佈了這個審計部再案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
2353 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
2355 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
那總而言之 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
2355 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
2358 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
本部將持續督促台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
2358 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
2361 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
依法辦理強制執行跟催收的求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
2361 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
2363 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
保障公司的這個債權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
2363 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
2365 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
第二個在食品安全的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
2365 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
2368 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
嚴守法規落實原料檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
2368 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
2370 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
穩定公益民生的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
2370 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
2372 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
以上報告進行指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
2372 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
2375 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
好謝謝部長的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
2375 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
2378 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
接下來我們請衛福部那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
2378 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
2381 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
食藥署署長來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
2392 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
2394 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
主席各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
2394 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
2395 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
女士先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
2395 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
2398 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
今天大院第十一屆第五次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
2398 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
2402 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
會期經濟委員會召開全體委員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
2402 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
2405 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
本部誠邀列席報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
2405 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
2406 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
深感榮幸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
2406 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
2409 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
製救台灣糖業股份有限公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
2409 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
2413 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
經營治理及風險控管之檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
2413 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
2415 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
中聯有質事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
2415 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
2419 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
台糖受益案等重大債權追償 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
2419 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
2422 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
繼審計部一百一四年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
2422 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
2425 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
決算審核意見改善情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
2425 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
2428 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
提出專案專題報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
2428 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
2431 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
近期各位委員不吝會議指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
2431 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
2434 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
本案中聯大豆沙拉油扁平皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
2434 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
2437 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
鈔標事件處理說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
2437 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
2441 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
本次中聯大豆沙拉油事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
2441 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
2445 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
本部秉持風險及時掌控 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
2445 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
2447 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
資訊公開透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
2447 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
2450 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
依法行政處理三大原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
2450 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
2453 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
全面處理事件處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
2453 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
2455 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
追查原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
2455 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
2460 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
追責就責裁罰及制度改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
2460 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
2462 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
首先本部食品藥物管理署 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
2462 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
2467 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
於一百一十五年六月三十日下午四十六分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
2467 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
2470 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
揭露中聯公司通報其大豆沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
2470 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
2472 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
不符食安法規定後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
2472 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
2476 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
及啟動應變機制處理及要求業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
2476 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
2479 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
配合辦理下架回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
2479 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
2482 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
亦召開專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
2482 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
2485 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
確立流向掌握因應處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
2485 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
2488 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
後續食藥署並委託專家成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
2488 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
2492 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
中聯油脂事件獨立調查小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
2492 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
2494 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
進場調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
2494 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
2497 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
相關調查結果並於七月二十七日公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
2497 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
2498 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
第二 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
2498 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
2503 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
有關脫膠原油撿出扁平皮案說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
2503 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
2506 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
本案台糖公司當時上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
2506 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
2509 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
為經收獲之脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
2509 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
2512 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
人需加工之原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
2512 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
2516 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
尚未成為可食用油品的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
2516 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
2521 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
人需經續脫酸脫色脫臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
2521 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
2526 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
等多到經驗續成才能製成食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
2526 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
2532 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
再者依據食品中汙染物質及毒素衛生標準規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
2532 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
2537 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
系對直接供食或作為食品加工用之油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
2537 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
2540 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
所訂之衛生規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
2542 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
2545 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
台糖公司脫膠原油減充扁平皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
2545 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
2548 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
尚無違反衛生標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
2548 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
2553 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
自無食安法第七條第五項規定之通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
2553 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
2555 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
第三消費者保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
2555 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
2560 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
本部已要求業者妥適處理消費者權益事宜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
2560 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
2564 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
重寬重優重速重減辦理退貨賠償 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
2564 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
2571 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
並將依食安法及消保法協助消保團體提起團體訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
2571 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
2576 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
相關費用得由食品安全保護基金支應 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
2576 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
2580 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
目前已有台灣消費者保護協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
2580 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
2585 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
財團法人中華民國消費者文教基金會受理本案團體訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
2585 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
2589 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
為民眾請求損害賠償 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
2589 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
2592 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
第四制度改革方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
2592 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
2596 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
本部將從源頭管理製程管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
2596 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
2601 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
異常通報品質管理及數位管理面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
2601 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
2603 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
推動實際法案精進 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
2603 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
2606 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
並依據事件調查結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].start |
2606 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
2610 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
專家建議及實務執行情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
2610 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
2612 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
以啟動食安法修法作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
2612 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
2616 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
全面檢討食品安全管理制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
2616 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
2619 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
強化食品安全防護網 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
2619 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
2623 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
本次中聯大豆由事件發生後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
2623 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
2626 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
本部秉持風險及時掌控 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
2626 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
2628 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
資訊公開透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].start |
2628 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
2630 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
依法行政處理原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
2630 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
2634 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
透過最快速的行動與完整的制度改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
2634 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
2638 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
檢討防堵類似情形再度發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
2638 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
2641 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
全力維護消費者食品安全及潛意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
2641 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].end |
2645 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
本部亦將持續精進食品安全管理制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
2645 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
2648 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
建立更周延的食品安全防護網 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
2648 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
2651 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
守護國人飲食健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].start |
2651 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
2654 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
本部誠大院各委員之指導及監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
2654 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].end |
2656 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
在此盡致謝誠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
2656 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
2659 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
並其各位委員繼續予以支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
2659 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
2661 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
2661 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
2663 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
2663 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
2664 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
謝謝市長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
2664 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
2666 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
來接下來我們請審計部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
2666 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
2667 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
副審計長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
2673 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
2674 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
2674 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
2676 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
2676 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
2677 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
各位先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
2677 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
2678 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
大家早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
2678 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
2680 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
今天本部應邀列席報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
2680 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
2685 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
臺灣糖業股份有限公司經營治理及風險控款之檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
2685 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
2687 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
中年油脂事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
2687 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
2690 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
台糖授地案等重大債權追償 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
2690 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
2691 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
繼審計部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
2692 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
2693 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
臺糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
2693 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
2694 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
一百四十四年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
2694 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
2696 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
決算審核意見改善情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
2696 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
2698 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
深感榮幸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
2698 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
2699 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
之將台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
2699 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
2700 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
一百四十四年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
2700 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
2701 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
營運情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
2701 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
2703 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
跟本部決算審核意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
2703 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
2705 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
檢要報告如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
2705 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
2706 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
2706 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
2707 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
2707 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
2708 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
一百四十四年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
2708 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
2709 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
經營結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
2709 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
2713 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].text |
本期稅後淨利是七十四億八千一萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
2713 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
2714 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
教育算數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
2714 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
2717 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
增加十八億三千一萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
2717 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
2718 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
約百分之三十二 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
2718 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
2719 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
那主要是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
2719 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
2721 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].text |
核建的營建案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
2721 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
2724 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].text |
完工戶數教育計增加所致 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
2724 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
2725 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].text |
二 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
2725 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
2727 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
本部在一百十四年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
2727 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
2729 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
審核報告營業部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
2729 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
2731 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
揭露台糖公司重要審核意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
2731 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
2733 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
既有九項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
2733 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
2734 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
第一項是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
2734 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
2737 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].text |
台糖公司開發利用灰質用土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
2737 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
2740 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
採行多元活化措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
2740 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
2742 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
為藉由土地合作開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
2742 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
2744 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
或者是出租契約 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
2744 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
2746 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
提前終止情事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
2746 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].end |
2747 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
第二是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
2747 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
2749 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
為了有效利用土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
2749 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
2751 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
辦理小管土地的出租 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
2751 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
2753 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].text |
跟地上權的設定作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
2753 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
2755 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
但是部分土地承租人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
2755 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
2757 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
或者是地上圈人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
2757 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
2759 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
唯一規範使用土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
2759 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
2762 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].text |
又截止到一百十四年底 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
2762 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
2766 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
為清廠的應收預期欠款跟催收款 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
2766 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
2768 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
高達四億七千一萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
2768 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
2769 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
金額旁巨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
2769 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
2771 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
第三項是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
2771 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
2773 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
台糖公司分期辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
2773 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
2776 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
農業循環租場改建進化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
2776 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
2779 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
但是進度持續落後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
2779 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
2781 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
而且有部分的蓄質廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
2781 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
2782 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
多項設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
2782 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
2786 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].text |
普京短期試車及花生故障損壞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
2787 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].end |
2788 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].text |
第四是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
2788 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
2791 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
高雄分公司它的核心業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
2791 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
2793 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
物流業的營運績效 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
2793 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
2795 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
連連花生虧損 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
2795 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
2798 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
高雄成功物流園區第二期開發案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
2798 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
2802 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
自一百零八年四月開始辦理招商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
2802 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
2804 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
但是截止到一百十四年底 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
2804 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
2806 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
上午廠商進駐 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
2807 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].end |
2809 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].text |
五台糖公司投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
2809 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].end |
2812 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].text |
平地造林管理跟浮域維護作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].start |
2812 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].end |
2814 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].text |
但是仍然有多處 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].start |
2814 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].end |
2817 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].text |
精管的土地遭占用堆置土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].start |
2817 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].end |
2820 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].text |
或者是棄置大量的廢棄物等情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
2821 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].end |
2824 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].text |
六推動前身宿舍投資計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
2824 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].end |
2827 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].text |
以提升土地開發業務的績效 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].start |
2827 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].end |
2828 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].text |
為計畫完成後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
2828 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].end |
2831 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].text |
營運效率均未達成預計的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].start |
2832 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].end |
2835 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].text |
部分學院轉型做社會住宅後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].start |
2835 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].end |
2837 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
出租率亦有下降的趨勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
2838 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].end |
2842 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].text |
七配合政府推動軍需循環政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].start |
2842 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].end |
2844 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].text |
投資相關民營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
2844 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].end |
2847 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].text |
違背審核事業連連花生虧損 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].start |
2848 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].end |
2849 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].text |
第八項是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].start |
2850 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].end |
2853 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].text |
生物科技事業部的生技材料廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
2853 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].end |
2855 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].text |
它所生產的牟利可粉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].start |
2855 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].end |
2858 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].text |
實際銷售量遠低於目標量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].start |
2858 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].end |
2860 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].text |
除造成庫存壓力外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
2860 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].end |
2863 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].text |
該廠的營業損失亦持續擴大中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
2864 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].end |
2865 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].text |
最後一項是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
2865 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
2867 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].text |
台糖公司它投入具有的經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
2867 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
2870 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
推動環境保護管理工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
2870 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].end |
2872 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].text |
為部分單位仍然從無發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
2872 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].end |
2875 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].text |
相同污染室友的違規事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
2876 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].end |
2878 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].text |
以上各項造成的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
2878 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].end |
2881 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
台糖公司以嚴厲改善措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
2881 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
2884 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
本部當根據注意追蹤其改善情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
2884 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
2886 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
以上報告進行主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
2886 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
2888 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
各位委員女士先生指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
2888 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
2889 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
2891 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
2892 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
2892 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
2894 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
謝謝副省長的一個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
2894 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
2900 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
有關本次會議各部會所提的書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
2900 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
2903 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
請委員自行參閱並刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
2903 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
2905 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
我們現在進行詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
2905 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
2906 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
委員質詢前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
2906 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
2909 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
依照慣例主席來做以下的宣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
2909 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
2911 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
每位委員發言時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
2911 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
2915 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
本委員會六分鐘必要時延長兩分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
2915 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
2917 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
非本委員會的委員五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
2917 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
2920 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
上午十點半截止發言登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
2920 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
2925 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
我們首先請登記第一位的洪育祥召委請做發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
2934 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
2936 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
2936 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
2941 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
我們有請台糖跟經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
2941 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
2942 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
我們請兩位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
2947 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
2948 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
2948 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
2949 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
召委早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
2949 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
2950 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
早 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
2950 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
2951 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
我想今天的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
2951 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
2953 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
我們安排這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
2953 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
2955 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
其實中聯的油紙的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
2955 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
2957 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
只是一個單一事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
2957 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
2959 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
那基本上我看的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
2959 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
2961 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
從審計部的一個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
2961 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
2962 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
債權的不良 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
2962 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
2965 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
還有公司的經營的商業的模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
2965 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
2969 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
我覺得是台糖公司的整個公司的治理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
2969 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
2971 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
跟他的內控 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
2971 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
2973 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
其實出現了一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
2973 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
2975 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
造成這個系統性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
2975 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
2978 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
造成這個系統性的一個崩壞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
2978 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
2980 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
所以基本上的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
2980 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
2982 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
我們把它拱結幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
2982 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
2984 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
第一個就是我們看到食安的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
2984 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
2988 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
他到底台糖有沒有一個肩膀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
2988 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
2990 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
可以是往上承報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
2990 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
2993 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
國家的債權是不是可以積極的追得回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
2993 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
2995 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
另外這個土地的造林 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
2995 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
2998 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
他根本就是一個年年申報合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
2998 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
3002 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
但審計部一查就是有很大的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
3002 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
3004 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
所以我想把這幾件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
3004 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
3007 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
綜合看成是一個公司的治理的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
3007 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
3010 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
從中聯的這個油紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
3010 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
3014 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
我想在你們的報告裡頭講的都很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
3014 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
3016 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
但我覺得也避重就輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
3016 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
3019 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
因為按照台糖的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
3019 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
3023 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
5月11號在中聯的311潮採樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
3023 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
3025 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
這個採樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
3025 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
3026 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
基本上就是不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
3026 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
3029 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
也就是超標7倍的那個油潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
3029 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
3032 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
之後你們改採的是301 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
3032 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
3033 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
3033 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
3034 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
也沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
3034 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
3036 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
然後進口到你台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
3036 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
3039 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
再做成這個實用的一個油紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
3039 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
3041 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
但是在你們的報告就避重就輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
3041 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
3043 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
也就是我看不到311潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
3043 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
3045 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
我只看到301的油潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
3045 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
3046 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
那個是合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
3046 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
3049 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
那是你後來台糖公司再買的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
3049 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
3051 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
我的問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
3051 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
3055 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
基本上這個在5月15號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
3055 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
3057 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
5月11號你們的採樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
3057 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
3059 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
15號拿到這樣子的報告之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
3059 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
3061 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
當然你們現在的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
3061 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
3063 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
當然就是跟剛剛衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
3063 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
3065 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
江市長的說法一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
3065 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
3068 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
這個東西就不列入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
3068 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
3070 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
因為你規定的產品通報不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
3070 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
3072 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
跟食安法第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
3072 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
3074 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
但我覺得這個蠻嚴重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
3074 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
3077 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
因為第一個你311號的油潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
3077 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
3079 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
到底會不會流到其他的油潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
3079 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
3081 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
因為油潮 tank是pipe |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
3081 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
3082 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
管線是相通的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
3082 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
3084 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
所以這一塊的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
3084 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
3086 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
我想要請教一下的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
3086 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
3090 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
就是台糖在你們的ESG的資料寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
3090 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
3093 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
身為國營事業提供產品服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
3093 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
3096 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
你因為國內食品產業之典範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
3096 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
3098 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
尤其在食品安全方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
3098 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
3101 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
更要發揮頂頭羊的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
3101 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
3104 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
所以明知你有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
3104 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
3105 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
3105 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
3107 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
甚至法律上沒有你就不通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
3107 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
3109 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
這我覺得違反你們公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
3109 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
3112 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
ESG的宣稱的寫法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
3112 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
3114 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
你有五部內頭羊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
3114 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
3117 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
我想請教部長跟台糖的回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
3118 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
3121 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
我先來說明就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
3121 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
3124 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
311的油潮檢驗它不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
3124 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
3126 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
所以台南公司拒收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
3126 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
3130 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
那後續怎麼樣處理這個311的油潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
3130 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
3132 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
事實上台南公司並沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
3132 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
3136 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
因為那個是權力人士屬於中原公司的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
3136 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
3138 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
所以他也沒有辦法去說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
3138 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
3140 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
你到底要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
3140 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
3142 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
但是事實上現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
3142 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
3144 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
據我了解311的油潮的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
3144 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
3146 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
事實上還在中原的油庫裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
3146 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
3148 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
事實上是沒有賣出去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
3148 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
3151 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
所以台南公司基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
3151 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
3154 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
他也沒有那個權力說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
3154 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
3156 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
這批油到底要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
3156 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
3158 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
它是不是有賣出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
3158 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
3160 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
基本上它只是一個買賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
3160 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
3162 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
台糖這個檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
3162 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
3165 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
你這個5月11號的異常的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
3165 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
3167 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
也就是5月15號你看到報告的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
3167 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
3170 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
經濟部什麼時候知道這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
3170 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
3172 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
第一次知道這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
3173 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
3177 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
事實上我們是7月28號才去這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
3177 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
3180 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
台南公司實地查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
3180 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
3183 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
所以是到7月28號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
3183 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
3185 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
經濟部才去看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
3185 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
3187 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
然後才知道有這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
3187 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
3189 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
對 因為基本上來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
3189 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
3191 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
台南公司報給我們都是合規 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
3191 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
3194 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
都是合標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
3194 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
3196 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
32次的檢驗基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
3196 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
3198 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
包括中央政府地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].start |
3198 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
3199 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
還有他們自主檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
3199 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].end |
3201 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].text |
但是你去查的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
3201 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].end |
3203 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].text |
是311潮的這個通報不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
3203 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
3205 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
就是那個檢驗不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
3205 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
3207 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
到7月28號才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
3207 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
3209 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
他告訴我們實地的說明以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
3209 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
3211 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
我們才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
3211 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
3213 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].text |
台糖有沒有去跟衛福部說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
3213 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
3215 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
有沒有去通報衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
3215 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
3217 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
是 跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
3217 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
3220 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
其實台南公司是用最嚴格的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
3220 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
3221 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
沒有意思 要回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
3221 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
3223 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].text |
有沒有跟衛福部報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
3223 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
3224 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
不管公文或什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
3224 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
3226 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
這個我們不會去報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
3226 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
3229 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
因為這個是我們採購驗收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
3229 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
3231 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].text |
等於說沒有通過驗收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
3231 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
3232 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].text |
他沒有合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
3232 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
3234 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].text |
沒有合乎我們的採購規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
3234 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
3235 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
這樣子你覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
3235 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
3237 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].text |
符合你們食品領頭羊的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
3237 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
3241 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
就現在目前的食安法規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
3241 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
3243 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].text |
國一試驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
3243 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].end |
3244 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
是 沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
3244 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
3247 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].text |
那一線線型的食安法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
3247 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
3250 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].text |
所以食安法的規定是你的上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
3250 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
3251 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
不是你的底線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
3251 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].end |
3253 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
不是 原料他沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
3253 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].end |
3256 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
本瓶瓶的安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
3256 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
3258 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
所以他沒有所謂超標的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
3258 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
3260 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
也沒有所謂的超標7倍的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
3260 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
3264 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
好 我想請一下食藥署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
3264 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
3268 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
我想就這個問題請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
3268 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
3270 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
因為說實在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
3270 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
3271 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].text |
如果按照台糖的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
3271 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
3272 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
你是不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
3272 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
3274 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
那你什麼時候才知道這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].start |
3274 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
3277 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].text |
因為針對中聯這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].start |
3277 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
3278 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
我們7月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
3278 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
3280 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
我們就台糖的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].start |
3280 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
3281 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
關起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
3281 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
3285 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
之後我們就陸陸續續進場去做調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
3285 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
3287 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
確切知道調查的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
3287 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
3288 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
是在7月中的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
3288 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
3290 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
我們看到一筆數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
3290 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
3292 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
這個數字裡面是台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
3292 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
3294 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
所以一筆經濟部7月28號再早一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
3294 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
3295 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
知道台糖真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
3295 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
3298 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
我想這件事情時間點上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
3298 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].end |
3300 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
我們的時間點是這樣子知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].start |
3300 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].end |
3302 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].text |
那經濟部知道的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].start |
3302 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].end |
3303 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].text |
我想就是可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].start |
3303 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].end |
3308 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
因為台糖這個是在地方的直轄市 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].start |
3308 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].end |
3310 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
可能會跟直轄市的指揮所說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].start |
3310 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
3312 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
所以直轄市台南市政府應該通報給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
3312 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
3313 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
應該是高雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
3313 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
3314 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
高雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].start |
3314 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].end |
3316 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
我們是7月中的時候知道這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].start |
3316 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].end |
3318 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].text |
確切的時間是在這個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].start |
3318 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].end |
3321 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].text |
好 我想要問一下台糖還有食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].start |
3321 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
3323 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
我們有食安雲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].start |
3323 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].end |
3325 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
所以台糖的每一項食品的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].start |
3325 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].end |
3326 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].text |
都有像食安雲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].start |
3326 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].end |
3328 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].text |
衛福部是不是可以追溯得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].start |
3330 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].end |
3332 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].text |
報委員這是一個很關鍵的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].start |
3332 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
3335 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
它是所謂整個製程中的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].start |
3335 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].end |
3338 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
從黃豆開始到成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].start |
3338 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
3342 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].text |
其實它要通報的我們管的是2PPB是成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].start |
3342 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].end |
3344 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].text |
它不是中間的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].start |
3344 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].end |
3347 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].text |
塗膠原油其實精煉之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].start |
3347 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].end |
3348 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].text |
除了脫酸脫臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].start |
3348 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].end |
3352 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].text |
跟我們的脫中和的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].start |
3352 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].end |
3354 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].text |
豬油是原物料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].start |
3354 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].end |
3357 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].text |
應該是說這個是指製程過程中的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
3357 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
3360 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
一項中間產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
3360 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
3362 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].text |
這中間產品不是不能吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].start |
3362 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
3366 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
又臭又酸然後顏色又混濁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].start |
3366 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
3367 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].text |
不會是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].start |
3367 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
3370 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].text |
也不會是成品要去管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
3370 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
3373 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].text |
所以我們整個食品安全衛生管理法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].start |
3373 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].end |
3376 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].text |
對於所謂的食品中的汙染物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].start |
3376 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].end |
3378 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].text |
以及它的毒素 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].start |
3378 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].end |
3381 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
我們都其實在管理裡面一個副表3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
3381 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
3383 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
有關於BAP的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].start |
3383 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
3384 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].text |
很清楚的我們可以知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].start |
3384 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].end |
3385 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].text |
老百姓沒辦法接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].start |
3385 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].end |
3386 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].text |
因為你最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].start |
3386 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
3388 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
它不是成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].start |
3388 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].end |
3390 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].text |
不是一個食安法管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
3390 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
3391 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
這是確確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].start |
3391 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
3394 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
這個其實如果在所有的製程過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].start |
3394 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
3396 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
要去驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].start |
3396 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
3398 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
食安法會修 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].start |
3398 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
3400 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
它整體的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].start |
3400 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].end |
3402 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
食安法修的時候會把這個動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].start |
3402 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
3404 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
這個部分大家可以討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].start |
3404 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
3405 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
我們講這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
3405 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
3407 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
其實大家共同討論在未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
3407 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
3408 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].start |
3408 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
3411 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
部長跟食物署署長請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
3411 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
3413 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
我想要請教一下台唐 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].start |
3413 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
3417 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
在這個債權的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].start |
3417 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
3419 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
我們看審計部的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].start |
3419 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
3422 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
預期加催收欠款總共4億7391 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].start |
3422 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
3425 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
催收款是4億7209 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].start |
3425 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
3427 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
所以跟2013年第四季比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].start |
3427 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
3430 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
催收款是從3億8232萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].start |
3430 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
3433 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
到4億7209萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].start |
3433 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
3437 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
一年增加8977萬催收款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
3437 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
3438 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
在這裡頭的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
3438 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
3441 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
我覺得你這個成長幅度催收款太驚人了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
3441 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
3443 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
我想問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
3443 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
3445 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
有關於台唐的蔡副總理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
3445 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
3449 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
知不知道在你這個催收款裡頭4億多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
3449 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
3451 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
其中有沒有包含無奶人的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
3451 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
3453 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
1億1796萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
3453 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
3456 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
1億1796萬的這一筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
3456 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
3458 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
是 那跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
3458 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
3460 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
我們的催收款裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
3460 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
3462 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
是有包括無奶人的這一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
3462 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
3464 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
是有包括嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
3464 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
3465 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
有包包 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
3465 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
3466 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
那他現在還了多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
3466 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
3473 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
他已經還了金額3700多萬的樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
3473 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
3474 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
我看一下數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
3474 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
3477 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
你們講公開追回只有700萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
3477 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
3480 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
我是講他的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
3480 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
3482 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
不是其他四位債權人喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
3482 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
3487 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
750萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
3487 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
3489 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
750萬嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
3489 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
3491 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
你們公開宣稱700多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].start |
3491 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
3492 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
700多萬喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
3492 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
3496 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
所以1億1700多多少的話才700多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
3496 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
3498 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
那我的問題是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
3498 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
3499 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
你們做得很好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
3499 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
3501 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
你們去做的管收嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
3501 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
3503 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
那管收之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
3503 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
3507 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
7月16號第一次協商沒有共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
3507 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
3508 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].start |
3508 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
3510 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
你6月11才訂管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
3510 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
3513 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
22號台糖撤回管收申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
3513 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
3515 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
然後7月16號再協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
3515 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
3517 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
7月20號是你的期限有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
3517 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
3519 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
我想要知道的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
3519 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
3521 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
台糖撤回管收申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
3521 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
3523 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
這個決策誰決定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
3523 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
3524 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
誰授權的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
3524 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
3527 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
法務單位總經理董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
3527 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
3530 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
是 我們是有委託啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
3530 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
3532 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
委託律師來到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
3532 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
3534 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
律師是委託 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
3534 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
3536 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
但是誰決定要撤回 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
3536 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
3539 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
是律師當場做成的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
3539 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
3540 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
律師他有做決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
3540 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
3543 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
不用問當事人 不用問你們台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
3543 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
3546 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
他是應法官的說明喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
3546 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
3547 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
你跟法官說明不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
3547 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
3550 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
法官是說你們台糖主動撤請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
3550 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
3553 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
主動的一個撤回 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
3557 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
3558 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
各位委員報告喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
3558 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
3561 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
這個案子是我們的律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
3561 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
3563 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
就是這個代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
3563 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
3566 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
在現場經法官詢問的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].start |
3566 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
3567 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
我們才答應的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
3567 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
3569 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].text |
所以一切都推給律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
3569 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
3570 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
不對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
3570 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
3571 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
我們委託律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
3571 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
3573 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
律師還是會打電話回來問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
3573 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
3575 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
當時授權的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
3575 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
3578 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].text |
是有全權授權給這個代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
3581 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].end |
3583 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].text |
這個實在是很扯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
3583 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].end |
3584 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].text |
來 那我再問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].start |
3584 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].end |
3586 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
你撤回管收你換到了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
3588 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].end |
3590 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].text |
就是你要撤回管收總是有個理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
3590 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].end |
3591 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].text |
你換到什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
3591 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].end |
3593 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
換到他願意還錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
3593 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
3595 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
換到他願意新的擔保 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
3595 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].end |
3598 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
還是新的什麼資產抵押等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
3598 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].end |
3600 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].text |
是各位委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].start |
3600 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].end |
3601 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
因為管收的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
3601 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].end |
3605 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].text |
我們是希望債務人出來清場債務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
3605 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].end |
3607 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].text |
那我們考量多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
3607 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].end |
3608 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
如果一直關在裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
3608 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
3609 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
我們還是拿不到錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
3609 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
3611 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
如果他不來協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
3611 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
3613 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
那當場這個債務人的律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
3613 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].end |
3614 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
委任律師有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
3614 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].end |
3615 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
你確定嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
3615 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
3616 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
我的看法跟你不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
3616 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
3617 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
我覺得管收久一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
3617 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
3619 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
他就會主動還了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
3619 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
3620 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
我們當然希望他還 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
3620 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
3621 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
你就管久一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
3621 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
3622 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
幹嘛撤回管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
3622 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
3624 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
撤回管收你換不到什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
3624 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
3625 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
你沒有換不到什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
3625 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
3627 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
國家上議員的債權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
3627 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
3628 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
然後你只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
3628 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
3630 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
我願意坐下來談就可以撤回 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
3630 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
3631 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
什麼東西都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
3631 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
3633 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
台壇可以接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
3633 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
3636 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
這在一般民間公司怎麼會接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
3636 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
3637 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
是各位委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
3637 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
3638 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
我們當然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
3638 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
3640 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
如果這個債務人沒有履行債務的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
3640 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
3643 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
我們當然還會再次申請管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
3643 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
3644 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
可是你再次申請管數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
3644 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
3646 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
你的理由又要不同了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
3646 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
3647 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
你要有新的管收原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
3647 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
3649 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
所以你下一次如果再申請管數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
3649 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
3651 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
你新的管收原因是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
3652 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
3655 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
而且管收是在管收一次違憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
3658 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
3661 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
你們家的法務是這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
3661 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
3662 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
3662 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
3664 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
關於管收的次數不分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
3664 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
3667 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
法律上沒有限制他的次數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
3667 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
3669 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
所以如果只要符合管收的要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
3669 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
3670 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
還可以繼續申請管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
3670 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
3671 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
好那我問你好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
3671 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
3673 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
7月20號的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
3673 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
3675 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
他現在還是沒有達到共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
3675 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
3676 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
7月16號是第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
3676 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
3677 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
20號說要再給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
3677 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
3679 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
現在的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
3680 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
3683 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
報告委員那個進度可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
3683 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
3685 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].text |
事後補給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
3685 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
3686 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].text |
好再說給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
3686 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
3688 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
因為現在協商還在持續 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
3688 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
3689 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
全國都在看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
3689 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
3691 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
這國家級的債權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
3693 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
3696 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
是因為那個協商還在持續進展中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
3696 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
3697 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
那我們覺得到時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
3697 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
3699 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
如果說等你告一個段落之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
3699 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
3700 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
不管結果怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
3700 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
3702 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
協商總是有個due date |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
3702 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
3704 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
期限 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
3704 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
3705 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
因為期限的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
3705 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
3707 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
我們要看他的協商的進展狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
3707 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
3708 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
來做決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
3708 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
3709 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
所以還是沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
3709 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
3711 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
所以我台東製造不成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
3711 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
3713 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
我都缺錢免費就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
3713 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
3716 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
以前的George Mary那個製造就免費 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
3721 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
3722 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
好這個你事後給我報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
3722 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
3724 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
我想要知道是你們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
3724 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
3725 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
整個後續的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
3725 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
3726 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
什麼時候可以催收回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
3726 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
3728 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
審計部也就在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
3728 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
3729 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
3729 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].end |
3731 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].text |
這也是很大的一個債權的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
3731 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].end |
3733 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
最後一個小問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
3733 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
3735 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
但我覺得這個問題是蠻嚴重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
3735 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
3736 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
也就是平地照領 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
3736 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
3738 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
照領補助的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
3738 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
3740 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
在我們審計部的報告裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
3740 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
3741 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
林保署核定的輔助運機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
3741 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
3743 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
在114年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].start |
3743 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
3745 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
3531.95公頃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
3745 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
3747 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
經費6000萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
3747 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
3750 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
結果審計部請林保署用無人機航拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].start |
3750 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
3753 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
再跟台唐的GIS土地清測比對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
3753 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
3754 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].start |
3754 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
3755 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
無比土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].start |
3755 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].end |
3757 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].text |
有的招站置土用多時方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
3757 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
3759 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
有的這一置大量廢棄物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
3759 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
3761 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
佔用耕作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
3761 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
3763 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
林務理法省長沒有實際照領 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
3763 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
3764 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
然後你們台唐 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
3764 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
3766 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
121314 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
3766 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
3768 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
送給林保署的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
3768 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
3769 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
都寫合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
3769 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
3770 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
持續 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
3770 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
3773 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
持續領取照領的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
3773 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
3775 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
這是有造假詐欺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].start |
3775 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
3777 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
公務員不時登載的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
3778 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
3779 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
再說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
3779 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
3780 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
3780 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
3782 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
我簡單的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].start |
3782 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
3784 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
就是我們平地照領的面積 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
3784 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
3786 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
其實講起來是非常大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
3786 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
3787 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
沒有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
3787 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
3788 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
我現在就針對這無比 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].start |
3788 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
3790 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].text |
審計部點出來的這無比 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].start |
3790 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].end |
3792 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
這無比裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
3792 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
3794 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
它也不是全部的面積 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
3794 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].end |
3796 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].text |
都有被請到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
3796 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
3798 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
或者說被這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
3798 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
3800 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
你證明無比土地是耕作地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
3800 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
3801 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
還是農地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
3801 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
3802 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
還是山坡地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
3802 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
3803 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].text |
什麼等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
3803 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
3804 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].text |
它是農業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
3804 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
3805 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
農業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
3805 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
3806 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
3806 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
3807 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
這個這個我就想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
3807 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
3808 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
隱吹一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
3808 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
3809 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
你們呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
3809 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
3810 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
還是要再給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
3810 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
3812 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
因為這個東西是不時的造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
3812 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
3813 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
這很嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
3813 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
3815 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].text |
因為審計部都幫你標出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
3815 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
3817 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
所以你們要回去好好測查一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
3817 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
3818 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
3818 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
3820 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
另外另外你剛回答很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
3820 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
3821 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
我也去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
3821 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
3822 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
就是農地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
3822 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
3825 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
所以之前我在5月6號的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
3825 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
3828 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
我們在審農法部實行細緻條例的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
3828 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
3830 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
這個執政黨的委員說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].start |
3830 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
3832 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
這個農法實施條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].start |
3832 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
3834 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].text |
地方自治規範有基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].start |
3834 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
3836 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
尚無致愛難行之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
3836 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
3837 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
不用在第十條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
3837 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
3839 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
第九條也不支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
3839 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
3842 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
也就是說農地清到這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
3842 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
3844 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
廢棄物被人家占用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
3844 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
3847 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
然後現行的農業部說不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
3847 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
3848 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
現在的方法就很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
3848 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
3850 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
可是台唐的一個國營試驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
3850 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
3851 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
然後土地被人家占用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
3851 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
3853 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
被人家清到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
3853 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
3854 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
你不覺得農法的土地的條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
3854 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
3857 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
應該使用在加日更高的刑罰跟罰則嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
3857 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
3860 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
這對台唐是一個保障吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
3862 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
3863 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
3863 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
3864 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
應該是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
3864 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
3865 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
3865 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
3868 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
好啦我相信今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
3868 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
3870 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
你們董事長跟總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
3870 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
3872 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
就藉由出國就不在了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
3872 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
3874 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
所以你也算可憐的帶打 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
3874 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
3876 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
那後續 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
3876 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
3878 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
我希望你們把這些的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
3878 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
3880 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
大概都交給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
3880 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
3882 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
第一個就是債權跟無法人等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
3882 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
3884 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
以及你們其他債權不良的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
3884 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
3886 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
催收的一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
3886 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
3888 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
那你後續這個案子會怎麼進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
3888 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
3890 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
這個給我一個書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
3890 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
3892 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
第二個我建議台唐 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
3892 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
3894 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
不管你是出遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
3894 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
3897 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
只要你是用到食用的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
3897 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
3899 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
因為你們還有肉鬆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
3899 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
3900 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
3900 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
3901 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
有糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
3901 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
3903 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
還有肉製品等等一堆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
3903 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
3904 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
所以你們整個東西到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
3904 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
3908 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
有沒有確實從聯合料到這裡頭的審驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
3908 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
3911 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
然後同時要確實上食安雲的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
3911 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
3914 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
然後同時你要建立跟經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
3914 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
3916 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
跟衛福部的即時的通報系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
3916 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
3918 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
麻煩這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
3918 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
3920 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
我不要苛責你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
3920 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
3923 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
兩個月內給我這樣子的一個機制規劃報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
3923 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
3926 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
去防堵未來的這一件的事情好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
3926 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
3927 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
3927 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
3928 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
3930 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
3933 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
好謝謝黃昭偉的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
3934 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
3935 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
3943 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
3944 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
3944 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
3947 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
請問各位同仁上次會議事務有無錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
3947 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
3948 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
無錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
3948 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
3949 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
議事錄確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
3949 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
3953 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
那接下來我們請這個楊瓊英委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
3964 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
3966 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
謝謝主席楊瓊發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
3966 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
3970 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
首先邀請部長跟台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
3970 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
3972 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
來有請部長跟台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
3976 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
3977 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
楊委員早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
3977 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
3978 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
3978 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
3983 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
我想我們今天主要是針對於國營事業的這個食安防線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
3983 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
3986 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
跟法規的漏洞的一個總檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
3986 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
3988 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
那終於由此本部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
3988 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
3993 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
在今天主要是針對國營事業的食安防線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
3993 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
3995 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
那終於由此本篇筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
3995 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
3999 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
在這一次超標案件爆發之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
3999 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
4005 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
究竟是誰讓一級的這個致癌物在供應鏈中隱形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
4005 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
4007 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
那在開始質詢之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
4007 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
4009 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
我想首先要請教兩位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
4009 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
4016 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
面對這一次引發我們全台的這個恐慌的重大食安的危機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
4016 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
4017 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
那兩位認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
4017 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
4019 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
國營事業在其中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
4019 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
4027 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
到底有沒有應該要主動的監督與通報的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
4027 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
4028 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
4029 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
4033 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
報委員我覺得所有的公務員都是依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
4033 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
4035 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
按規定來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
4035 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
4037 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
那台糖公司已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
4037 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
4039 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
他是有依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
4039 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
4041 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
最主要就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
4041 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
4045 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
所以到底他應不應該要主動通報呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
4045 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
4048 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
你經濟部也應該要全面監督啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
4048 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
4049 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
是報委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
4049 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
4051 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
你認為需不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
4051 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
4052 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
你只要回答我需不需要就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
4052 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
4053 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
我之前已經有說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
4053 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
4055 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
因為那個311的油潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
4055 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
4057 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
請教需不需要請告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
4057 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
4061 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
因為這個311油潮的油的所有人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
4061 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
4062 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
出油的所有人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
4062 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
4063 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
他是中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
4063 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
4067 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
所以中聯事後要怎麼處置是311的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
4067 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
4069 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
事實上是他來決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
4069 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
4071 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
部長請針對本席的提問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
4071 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
4074 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
請問你經濟部的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
4074 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
4076 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
是不是應該要全面監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
4076 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
4079 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
台糖也應該要主動的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
4079 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
4080 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
是不是需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
4080 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
4081 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
本席只要問這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
4081 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
4084 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
如果依法要通報就通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
4084 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
4086 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
如果依法沒有那個通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
4086 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
4088 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
那也不一定要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
4088 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
4090 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
這是你的回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
4090 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
4091 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
來請教台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
4093 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
4094 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
請台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
4094 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
4095 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
4095 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
4096 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
4096 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
4097 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
剛剛的題目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
4097 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
4100 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
你認為台糖在發現5月15號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
4100 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
4103 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
拿到的結果是超標的7倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
4103 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
4108 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
14點多的PPB本篇比 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
4108 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
4111 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
你認為需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
4111 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
4113 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
你需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
4113 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
4114 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
是 跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
4114 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
4117 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
我剛才也有清楚的表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
4117 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
4119 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
其實本篇比的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
4119 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
4121 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
它是在使用油上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
4121 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
4124 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
請教針對本席的提問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
4124 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
4127 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
你有沒有通報給經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
4127 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
4128 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
4128 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
4129 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
4129 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
4130 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
那麼你們在5月份的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
4130 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
4133 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
就已經拿到了這一份的檢驗報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
4133 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
4135 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
那也明知道這是確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
4135 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
4139 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
這一批的油品是含有劇毒的致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
4139 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
4142 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
5月到7月整整兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
4142 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
4144 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
我們台糖是大廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
4144 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
4146 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
作為國藝事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
4146 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
4148 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
為什麼你選擇知情不報呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
4148 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
4149 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
4150 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
4153 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
它不在我們現行的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
4153 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
4155 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
通報的範圍之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
4155 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
4156 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
好 這是你的回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
4156 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
4157 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
4157 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
4159 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
你作為主管機關單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
4159 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
4161 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
其實有沒有人會知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
4161 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
4163 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
台糖的這個事件呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
4163 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
4165 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
有沒有 經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
4165 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
4166 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
4166 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
4167 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
4167 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
4168 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
所以你是不知道的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
4168 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
4171 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
所以從台糖的5月15號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
4171 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
4174 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
得知了這個14.7PPP的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
4174 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
4177 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
到什麼時候我們經濟部才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
4177 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
4179 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
幾月幾號才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
4179 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
4180 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
7月以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
4180 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
4183 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
我們去7月以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
4183 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
4185 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
7月以後是什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
4185 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
4187 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
7月以後經濟部才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
4187 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
4188 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
4188 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
4189 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
7月28號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
4189 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
4190 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
4190 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
4191 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
是啊 7月以後才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
4191 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
4193 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
你7月以後才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
4193 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
4194 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
好 部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
4194 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
4196 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
民間的親人南僑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
4196 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
4200 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
他主動吹哨都要配罰300萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
4200 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
4202 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
我們台糖是國藝事業單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
4202 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
4206 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
是全國全體國民非常信任的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
4206 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
4208 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
那當你發現了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
4208 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
4211 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
有這麼嚴重的致癌物的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
4211 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
4212 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
你只有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
4212 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
4213 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
我去收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
4213 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
4214 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
我不買了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
4214 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
4217 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
你讓這些的有毒的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
4217 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
4220 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
繼續留在這個供應鏈裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
4220 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
4225 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
如果不是檢調跟衛福單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
4225 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
4227 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
全面的清查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
4227 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
4229 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
那這些原料是不是還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
4229 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
4232 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
會任由在下游的這個業者裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
4232 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
4234 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
吃下肚呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
4234 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
4236 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
那這叫什麼食安把關啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
4236 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
4237 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
沒有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
4237 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
4238 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
311的這個油潮的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
4238 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
4239 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
現在還在中聯那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
4239 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
4240 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
它沒有出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
4240 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
4243 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
所以就是台灣公司給他警告以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
4243 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
4245 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
事實上這一批油它沒有出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
4245 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
4247 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
出來是其他批的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
4247 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
4250 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
那其他批的油跟台糖沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
4250 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
4254 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
部長請針對問題回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
4254 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
4256 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
造成了這麼大的風暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
4256 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
4259 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
我們應該要去看怎麼樣去檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
4259 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
4260 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
去改進 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
4260 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
4263 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
讓這個事件不要再發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
4263 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
4265 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
因為食安是底線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
4265 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
4268 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
所以在這裡本席要再一次的請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
4268 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
4270 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
民間他發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
4270 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
4272 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
有劇毒的原料的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
4272 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
4273 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
原料的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
4273 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
4275 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
他依規定要這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
4275 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
4277 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
啟動吹哨者機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
4277 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
4279 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
並且要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
4279 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
4280 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
並且要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
4280 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
4282 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
那反觀我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
4282 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
4285 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
全國最新來的國營事業台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
4285 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
4287 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
現在是默默退了貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
4287 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
4289 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
至少門前雪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
4289 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
4291 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
所以在這樣的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
4291 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
4293 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
本席要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
4293 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
4298 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
台糖你不受食安法的一個規範嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
4298 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
4299 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
4299 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
4301 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
現在目前你們只有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
4301 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
4303 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
法規沒有強制要報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
4303 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
4305 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
你們現在就用這個藉口 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
4305 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
4307 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
還要再用這個藉口嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
4307 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
4309 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
已經這麼大的一個風暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
4309 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
4311 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
你有沒有受食安法的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
4311 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
4314 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
如果說今天台糖公司買的是食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
4314 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
4315 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
4315 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
4317 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
台糖公司一定會通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
4317 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
4318 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
請教台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
4318 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
4321 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
你們有沒有受食安法的一個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
4321 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
4322 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
4322 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
4323 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
你們有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
4323 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
4324 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
4324 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
4327 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
面對這個原料辦成品的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
4327 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
4330 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
未收入的這個脫膠的出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
4330 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
4333 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
進行食安法第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
4333 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
4336 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
它規範產品需主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
4336 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
4339 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
但是這個也因為這樣子的一個文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
4339 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
4344 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
成為經濟部跟衛福部的免責附身符 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
4344 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
4345 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
你呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
4345 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
4346 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
你聽清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
4346 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
4349 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
讓法律文字的灰色地帶成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
4349 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
4352 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
一級致癌物的防火牆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
4352 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
4355 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
郭前的現況是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
4355 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
4356 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
那現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
4356 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
4359 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
衛福部已經說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
4359 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
4360 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
他已經預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
4360 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
4364 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
要未來將修法納入強制通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
4364 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
4366 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
這也表示了目前的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
4366 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
4369 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
它是千瘡百孔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
4369 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
4371 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
所以在這樣的一個情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
4371 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
4373 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
等一下請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
4373 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
4375 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
在修法的空窗期 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
4375 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
4377 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
民間企業它是存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
4377 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
4380 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
合法部通報的一個現象 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
4380 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
4382 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
那政府你也無從 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
4382 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
4385 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
無從知道每一次的檢驗詳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
4385 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
4389 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
但是我們台糖是國營事業黨委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
4389 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
4390 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
我們應該要遵守法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
4390 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
4391 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
要主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
4391 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
4393 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
要作為守法的表率 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
4393 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
4394 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
4394 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
4396 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
台糖對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
4396 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
4399 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
是不是應該作為守法的表率 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
4399 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
4400 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
4400 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
4401 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
4401 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
4402 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
那現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
4402 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
4404 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
我們是打臉政府的臉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
4404 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
4405 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
4405 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
4406 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
4406 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
4408 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
藐視了政府的立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
4408 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
4409 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
的立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
4409 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
4413 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
至今沒有依法主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
4413 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
4415 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
那我們要求民間一定要做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
4415 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
4418 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
這個標準太奇怪了吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
4418 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
4420 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
4420 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
4422 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
我們買的是原料油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
4422 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
4424 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
原料油這個粗油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
4424 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
4426 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
它是可以經過精煉之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
4426 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
4428 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
把本田皮拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
4428 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
4429 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
大部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
4429 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
4430 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
4430 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
4432 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
經濟部長跟衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
4432 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
4433 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
衛福部在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
4433 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
4435 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
那個署長一起上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
4435 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
4436 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
4436 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
4437 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
你們看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
4437 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
4439 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
你們看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
4439 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
4442 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
第113年3月11號召開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
4442 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
4446 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
食品業者自主管理說明會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
4446 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
4448 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
官方公告內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
4448 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
4449 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
第三點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
4449 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
4450 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
白澤寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
4450 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
4452 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
寫得非常的清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
4452 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
4455 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
食品業者於發現原油或者是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
4455 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
4458 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
有危害衛生安全之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
4458 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
4461 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
應主動停止製造加工 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
4461 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
4463 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
販賣及辦理回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
4463 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
4466 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
並通報直屬機關單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
4466 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
4467 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
主管單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
4467 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
4468 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].text |
違法者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
4468 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
4471 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
必須要依食安法的第47條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
4471 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
4472 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
4472 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
4474 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
處新台幣3萬元以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
4474 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
4477 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
300萬元以下的還款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
4477 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
4478 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
4478 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
4482 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
這裡寫得這麼清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
4482 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
4485 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
我想聽聽您的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
4485 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
4486 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
4486 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
4487 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
我剛才講過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
4487 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
4490 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
311那個油槽的油並沒有流到市面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
4490 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
4492 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
而且它是一個粗油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].start |
4492 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
4495 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
它也不是一個食品安全規範的犯法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].start |
4495 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
4499 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
你又是繞在文字的一個漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
4499 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
4500 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].text |
所以部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
4500 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
4503 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
我們應該要正式的面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
4503 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
4504 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
這樣子的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
4504 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
4507 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
因為這才是我們要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
4507 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].end |
4509 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
這才是人民要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
4509 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].end |
4511 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
到目前為止這麼多時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
4511 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
4513 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
我們還不清不楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
4513 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].end |
4516 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].text |
後續如果食安法修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
4516 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].end |
4517 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
大院通過的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
4517 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
4519 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
我們當然是依法辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
4519 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
4520 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
依法遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
4520 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
4523 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].text |
113年的公告已經明明白白 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
4523 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
4526 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
白澤寫的那麼清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
4526 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
4527 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
4527 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
4529 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
來 部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
4529 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
4531 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
本來要跟你討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
4531 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
4534 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
民眾到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
4534 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
4537 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
你能夠協助民眾什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
4537 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
4539 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
我們首先來請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
4539 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
4542 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
這絕對不是一個單一事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
4542 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
4545 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
政府的無能民眾就無奈 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
4545 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
4547 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
所以在這樣的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
4547 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
4549 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
我們國家食安防線的全面失守 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
4549 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
4551 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
那你現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
4551 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
4552 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
你說只有管產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
4552 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
4554 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
你不管原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
4554 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
4557 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
你等於是在整個法規的鍛煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
4557 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
4559 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
台湯知情不報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
4559 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
4563 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
你又作為台湯的律師在做辯護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
4563 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
4565 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
這個是行政帶動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
4565 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
4567 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
接下來我們要看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
4567 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
4570 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
違法者的業者能夠出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
4570 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
4575 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
下架標準的會議的決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
4578 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
4580 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
這等於是決策的一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
4580 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
4582 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
所以部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
4582 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
4584 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
台湯跟食安署在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
4584 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
4585 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
衛福部在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
4585 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
4589 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
供應鍛煉這個訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
4589 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
4592 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
以及主管機關的一個卸責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
4592 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
4594 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
那利益迴避的失靈 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
4594 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
4597 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
那等於是我們系統性的崩潰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
4597 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
4599 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
所以經濟部更離譜的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
4599 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
4601 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
把這樣的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
4601 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
4603 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
是誰這麼天才 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
4603 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
4607 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
把它比造成是去菜市場買菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
4607 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
4612 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
買菜不會去向市場去報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
4612 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
4615 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
這個葉子爛掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
4615 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
4617 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
這是誰這麼天才 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
4617 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
4621 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
你把我們整個國家食安當兒戲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
4621 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
4625 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
異己自來誤竟然有這樣的回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
4625 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
4628 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
給社會大眾看笑話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
4628 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
4631 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
部長誰這麼天才 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
4631 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
4634 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
是把食安當成不一回事嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
4634 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
4637 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
還是在經濟部認為是沒事的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
4637 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
4640 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
怎麼會比您這樣子呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
4640 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
4643 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
你覺得這個比您適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
4643 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
4645 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
4645 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
4648 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
台湯公司依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
4648 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
4650 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
所有的守法的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
4650 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
4652 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
經濟部有這個責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
4652 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
4655 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
要保護這些守法的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
4655 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].end |
4657 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].text |
你要不要保護我們的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
4657 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].end |
4659 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
當然我們是依法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
4659 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
4661 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
你認為你們把經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
4661 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
4664 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
把食安這麼嚴肅的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
4664 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
4667 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
你把它比你菜市場買菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
4667 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
4669 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
你覺得這個適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
4669 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
4671 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
剛剛已經說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
4671 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
4673 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
請教你認為這個適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
4673 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
4676 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
請教你這個經濟部的回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
4676 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
4679 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
給社會大眾你認為這個是適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
4679 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
4681 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
沒有這只是一個比喻 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
4681 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
4683 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
你認為適不適當沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
4683 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
4686 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
吃過了你認為適不適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
4686 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
4688 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
如果委員覺得不恰當的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
4688 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
4690 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
那我也尊重委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
4690 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
4692 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
不是我認為是你不能反質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
4692 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
4695 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
請問你認為這樣子的比喻適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
4695 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
4697 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
我尊重委員的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
4697 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
4699 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
你認為適當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
4699 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
4701 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
本席請回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
4701 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
4703 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
如果委員覺得不適當的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
4703 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
4705 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
我尊重委員的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
4705 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
4707 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
我認為不適當你認為是不是不適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
4707 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
4709 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
所以我就尊重委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
4709 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
4711 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
最後本席要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
4711 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
4713 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
剛剛也報告了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
4713 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
4715 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
我們的消費者要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
4715 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
4717 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
現在經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
4717 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
4719 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
我們現在消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
4719 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
4721 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
因為有很多的小攤商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
4721 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
4723 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
有很多的中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
4723 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
4725 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
都在你的轄下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
4725 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
4727 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
你要不要組一個專業小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
4727 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
4729 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
來協助他們求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
4729 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
4731 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
4731 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
4733 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
工學會來講他們如果要求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
4733 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
4735 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
我們會給你協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].start |
4735 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
4737 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
消費者已經有召開座談會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
4737 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
4739 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
你會不會主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
4739 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
4741 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].text |
經濟部成立專業小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].start |
4741 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].end |
4743 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].text |
來協助這些中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].start |
4743 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].end |
4745 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].text |
攤商來這個業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].start |
4745 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].end |
4747 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].text |
大家一一起來協助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].start |
4747 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].end |
4749 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].text |
不要讓他們求償無門 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].start |
4749 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].end |
4751 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].text |
我們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
4751 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
4753 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].text |
已經有座談會了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].start |
4753 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].end |
4755 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].text |
會成立專業小組是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
4755 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
4757 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
來協助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
4757 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
4759 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
他們還是要主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
4759 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
4761 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
求償的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
4761 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
4763 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
我具體建議請經濟部主動協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].start |
4763 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].end |
4765 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
4765 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
4767 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
我們謝謝部長還有楊卓文委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].start |
4767 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].end |
4769 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].text |
接下來我們請宗家兵委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].start |
4769 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
4771 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].start |
4779 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
4781 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
主席在訪委員先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].start |
4781 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
4783 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
來請經濟部總部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
4783 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].end |
4785 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].text |
保護部法律司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
4785 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].end |
4787 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].text |
謝市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
4787 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
4789 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].text |
衛武部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].start |
4789 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].end |
4791 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].text |
江署長以及審計部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
4791 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].end |
4793 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
林副審計長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
4793 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
4795 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
4795 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
4797 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].text |
也給主席建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
4797 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].end |
4799 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].text |
我們時間尊重處理控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
4799 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
4801 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
但是如果一直跳針 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
4801 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
4803 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
我想主席應該適時的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].start |
4803 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].end |
4805 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].text |
來我們調整一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].start |
4805 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].end |
4807 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].text |
裝睡的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].start |
4807 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].end |
4809 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].text |
叫不醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].start |
4809 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].end |
4811 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].text |
剛剛有人問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].start |
4811 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].end |
4813 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
蔡市長買菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].start |
4813 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].end |
4815 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].text |
我問一下部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].start |
4815 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].end |
4817 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].text |
你有沒有收過未鈔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].start |
4817 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].end |
4819 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].start |
4819 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].end |
4821 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].text |
副審計長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].start |
4821 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].end |
4823 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].text |
可能比較有這個經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].start |
4823 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].end |
4825 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].text |
有沒有收過未鈔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].start |
4825 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].end |
4827 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].text |
如果在蔡市長你覺得有蔡犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].start |
4827 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].end |
4829 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].text |
收到未鈔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].start |
4829 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].end |
4831 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].text |
要不要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].start |
4831 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].end |
4833 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].text |
如果是蔡犯我想他小品記 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].start |
4833 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].end |
4835 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].text |
拿到一張未鈔他一定會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].start |
4835 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].end |
4837 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].text |
還是說如果這個蔡犯說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].start |
4837 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].end |
4839 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].text |
未鈔的下一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].start |
4839 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].end |
4841 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].text |
顧客不曉得這時候我把他找回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].start |
4841 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].end |
4843 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].text |
你覺得這樣可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
4843 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].end |
4845 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].text |
我覺得這樣應該不道德 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].start |
4845 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].end |
4847 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].text |
未鈔是通用的法幣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].start |
4847 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].end |
4849 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
4849 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].end |
4851 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].text |
未鈔不是通用的法幣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].start |
4851 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].end |
4853 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].text |
所以他如果冒用通用的法幣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].start |
4853 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].end |
4855 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].text |
知道的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
4855 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].end |
4857 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].text |
有責任通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
4857 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].end |
4859 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
而且也不能把未造法幣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].start |
4859 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].end |
4861 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].text |
未鈔繼續流通 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
4861 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].end |
4863 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
4863 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].end |
4865 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
我們向謝市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
4865 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].end |
4867 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
4867 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].end |
4869 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].text |
那未鈔有法律規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
4869 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].end |
4871 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].text |
那黃金有沒有法律規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
4871 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].end |
4873 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].text |
黃金的成色 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
4873 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].end |
4875 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
9999還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
4875 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].end |
4877 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
9989 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
4877 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].end |
4879 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].text |
法律有沒有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
4879 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
4881 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
我去銀樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
4881 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
4883 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
假設有人銀樓說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
4883 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
4885 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
有人拿未鈔來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
4885 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
4887 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].text |
有人拿黃金來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
4887 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].end |
4889 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].text |
我這個要跟你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
4889 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].end |
4891 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
賣給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
4891 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].end |
4893 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
那銀樓說你這個成色不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
4893 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
4895 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
我只收成色主的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
4895 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
4897 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
9999的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
4897 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
4899 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
銀樓不收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
4899 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
4901 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
也沒有去通報你就贏了嗎責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
4901 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
4903 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
一般按照我們的工作經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
4903 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
4905 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
這邊是沒有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
4905 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
4907 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
對嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
4907 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].end |
4909 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
所以出油就是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
4909 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
4911 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
就是金塊嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
4911 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
4913 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
台糖訂了一批出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
4913 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].end |
4915 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
成色不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
4915 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].end |
4917 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
要賣給台糖台糖不收嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
4917 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
4919 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
我要的是純9999的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
4919 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
4921 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
有沒有違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
4921 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
4923 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
有沒有違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
4923 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
4925 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
就沒有通報這件事情是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
4925 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
4927 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
所以說嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
4927 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
4929 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
部長知道沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
4929 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
4931 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
白白菜市場買菜你用未鈔跟金塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
4931 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
4933 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
人家就聽懂了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
4933 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
4935 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
未鈔是貿用法定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
4935 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].end |
4937 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
貨幣食品有食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
4937 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
4939 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
我買了這家的合格食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
4939 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
4941 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
我再賣給別人因為我確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
4941 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
4943 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
他是合格的我轉賣可以嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
4943 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
4945 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
如果拿到一個不合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
4945 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
4947 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
食品我還轉賣我就不對嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
4947 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
4949 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
4949 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
4951 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
我去進黃金我去進原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
4951 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
4953 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
原料的成色不合我的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
4953 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
4955 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
我不收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
4955 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
4957 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
有沒有必要回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
4957 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
4959 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
市長要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
4959 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
4961 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
4961 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
4963 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
委員這題因為涉及到食安法的解讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
4963 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
4965 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
我只是問你啊如果你收到金塊成色不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
4965 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
4967 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
你會不會回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
4967 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
4969 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
不收就對了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
4969 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
4971 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
如果以一般消費者的角度來講的話就是拒絕交易 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
4971 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
4973 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
對嘛部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
4973 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
4975 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].text |
那台糖拒絕交易拒絕收那批不合格的出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
4975 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
4977 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
你覺得台糖有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
4977 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
4979 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
有什麼回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
4979 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
4981 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
他拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
4981 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
4983 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
這個本來就是他們的SOS |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
4983 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
4985 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].text |
但是所以說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
4985 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
4987 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
未超跟金塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
4987 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
4989 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
4989 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
4991 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
跟食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
4991 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
4993 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
出油不等於食品啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
4993 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
4995 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
我現在進入正題了來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
4995 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
4997 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
我再問一下剛剛好像 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
4997 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
4999 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
那個署長沒有人請教你署長是科學家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
4999 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
5001 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
來醫師請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
5001 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
5003 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
太空站的太空人啊他喝的水 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
5003 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
5005 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
是什麼水 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
5005 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
5007 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
應該是循環的水 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
5007 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
5009 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
太空人他呼出來的水氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
5009 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
5011 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
他的排尿他的漢液 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
5011 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
5013 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
通通收集起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
5013 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
5015 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
經過再生後他就給他喝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
5015 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
5017 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
署長如果你是太空人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
5017 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
5019 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
你敢喝嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
5019 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
5021 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
我會喝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
5021 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
5023 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
你會喝嗎因為這個完全處理合格的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
5023 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
5025 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
金塊是你排出來的你還是敢喝嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].start |
5025 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
5027 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
你隔壁的太空人排出來的你也敢喝嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
5027 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
5029 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].start |
5029 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
5031 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
經過處理啦不能直接喝啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
5031 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
5033 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].text |
好往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
5033 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
5035 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
來游泳池有沒有訂標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
5035 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
5037 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
游泳池有規定嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
5037 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
5039 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
生菌數多少嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
5039 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
5041 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
不能要低於500CFU嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
5041 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
5043 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
大腸桿菌你100公戳 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
5043 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
5045 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
要少於1CFU嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
5045 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
5047 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].text |
如果合乎標準的游泳池你敢下水嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
5049 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
5051 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].text |
敢嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
5051 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
5053 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
除非有小朋友在你旁邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
5053 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
5055 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].text |
偷偷做什麼不應該做的事嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].start |
5055 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
5057 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
好但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
5057 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
5059 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].text |
如果你這樣的馬桶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
5059 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
5061 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
拿了水他是超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
5061 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
5063 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
超過1CPU的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
5063 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
5065 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
結果呢我幫他稀釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
5065 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
5067 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
跟游泳池的標準一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
5067 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
5069 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
有兩杯水 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
5069 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
5071 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
一杯是游泳池的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
5071 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
5073 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
一杯是你家馬桶拿出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
5073 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
5075 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
但是稀釋後呢標準跟游泳池一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
5075 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
5077 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
請問你要喝哪一杯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
5079 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
5081 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
因為兩杯都沒有在喝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
5081 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
5083 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
不會喝游泳池的水除非嗆到才會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
5083 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
5085 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
對啦你嗆到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
5085 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
5087 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
你希望是嗆到游泳池的水還是嗆到那個馬桶裡的水 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
5087 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
5089 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
因為不會去馬桶裡面游泳 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
5089 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
5091 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
所以應該在游泳池會嗆到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
5091 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
5093 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
很好但是呢在科學上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
5093 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
5095 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
一般人直覺說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
5095 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].end |
5097 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
如果兩杯水的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].start |
5097 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
5099 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
是一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
5099 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
5101 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
他會覺得在游泳池裡面嗆到水比較安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
5101 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
5103 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].text |
我告訴他說我這一杯水 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
5103 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
5105 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].text |
跟游泳池的品質一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
5105 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
5107 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
但是是從你家的馬桶咬出來稀釋過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
5107 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
5109 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
你覺得他會接受嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
5109 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
5111 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
比較困難接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
5111 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
5113 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
心理上不會接受很奇怪呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
5113 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
5115 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
你如果在太空人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
5115 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
5117 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
你自己的排尿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
5117 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
5119 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
你都敢喝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].start |
5119 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].end |
5121 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].text |
到游泳池裡面你不曉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
5121 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].end |
5123 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].text |
隔壁的小朋友有沒有怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
5123 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].end |
5125 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].text |
你嗆到水你還是無所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
5125 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].end |
5127 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
但是如果告訴你我現在給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].start |
5127 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].end |
5129 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].text |
喝的這一杯水是從你家馬桶撈出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].start |
5129 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].end |
5131 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].text |
稀釋過完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].start |
5131 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].end |
5133 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].text |
合乎標準你還是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].start |
5133 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].end |
5135 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].text |
心理障礙嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].start |
5135 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].end |
5137 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].text |
委員這邊提到就是在食品安全的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].start |
5137 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].end |
5139 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].text |
跟安心這兩點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].start |
5139 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].end |
5141 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].text |
其實要照顧到民眾的心裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].start |
5141 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].end |
5143 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].text |
沒有錯這就是來我今天要講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].start |
5143 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].end |
5145 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].text |
今天的板扁皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].start |
5145 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].end |
5147 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].text |
這個字終於現在全國人民都會念了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].start |
5147 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].end |
5149 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].text |
中國的標準是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].start |
5149 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].end |
5151 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].text |
10ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].start |
5151 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].end |
5153 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].text |
中聯有指 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].start |
5153 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].end |
5155 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].text |
他去進的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].start |
5155 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].end |
5157 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].text |
過去都是賣中國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].start |
5157 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].end |
5159 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].text |
巴西的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].start |
5159 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].end |
5161 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].text |
他本來的熱損率 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].start |
5161 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].end |
5163 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].text |
就比較高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].start |
5163 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].end |
5165 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].text |
所以中聯過去都不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].start |
5165 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].end |
5167 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].text |
他是跟美國進 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].start |
5167 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].end |
5169 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].text |
他現在改跟巴西進熱損率提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
5169 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].end |
5171 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].text |
他要照收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
5171 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].end |
5173 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].text |
如果這批黃豆送到中國去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].start |
5173 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].end |
5175 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].text |
所以中聯是8ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].start |
5175 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].end |
5177 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].text |
請問有沒有違反中文的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].start |
5177 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].end |
5179 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].text |
沒有但是他的標準多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].start |
5179 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].end |
5181 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].text |
2ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
5181 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].end |
5183 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].text |
他們是10我們是2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
5183 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].end |
5185 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].text |
他們是10我們是2嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
5185 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].end |
5187 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].text |
台灣是2他們是10嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].start |
5187 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].end |
5189 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].text |
所以如果中聯不買美國的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].start |
5189 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
5191 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].text |
改進巴西的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
5191 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].end |
5193 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].text |
創造中國去提煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].start |
5193 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].end |
5195 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].text |
合乎中的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
5195 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
5197 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
但是到台灣來就超標了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
5197 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
5199 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
是不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
5199 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
5201 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
好那現在大家來談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
5201 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
5203 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].text |
今天中聯的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
5203 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
5205 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
他是8.1ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
5205 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
5207 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
我是油品加工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
5207 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
5209 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
我不曉得這批油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
5209 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
5211 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
有超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
5211 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
5213 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
我用了我有沒有可能超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
5213 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
5215 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
5215 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
5217 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
我是下午的食品加工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
5217 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
5219 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
會不會有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
5219 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
5221 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
那如果我經過西市 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
5221 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
5223 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].text |
我沒有全部用我只用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
5223 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
5225 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].text |
兩成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
5225 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
5227 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
8.1ppb的兩成是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
5227 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
5229 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
1.6左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
5229 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
5231 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
就是西市了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
5231 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
5233 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
我沒有用我沒有全部都用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
5233 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
5235 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
中聯的油紙我只用兩成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].start |
5235 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
5237 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].text |
結果他從8.1ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].start |
5237 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].end |
5239 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].text |
變成了1.6ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
5239 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
5241 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].text |
請問在食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].start |
5241 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].end |
5243 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].text |
我是食品加油的加工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].start |
5243 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].end |
5245 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].text |
我的油是1.6本篇比 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].start |
5245 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].end |
5247 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].text |
1.6ppb有沒有超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].start |
5247 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].end |
5249 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].text |
報告委員這個部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].start |
5249 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].end |
5251 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].text |
符合衛生安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].start |
5251 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].end |
5253 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].text |
回到7月4號做這個決議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].start |
5253 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].end |
5255 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].text |
只有一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].start |
5255 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].end |
5257 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].text |
也不知道這些廠商是這麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].start |
5257 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].end |
5259 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].text |
遏制的去延遲通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].start |
5259 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].end |
5261 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].text |
隱匿通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].start |
5261 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].end |
5263 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].text |
我現在沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].start |
5263 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].end |
5265 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].text |
我只是個不知情的食品加工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].start |
5265 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].end |
5267 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].text |
我進了一批有問題的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].start |
5267 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].end |
5269 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].text |
超標結果我在製程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].start |
5269 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].end |
5271 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].text |
我因為很多家一起用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].start |
5271 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].end |
5273 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].text |
所以我這一家有問題的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].start |
5273 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].end |
5275 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].text |
用不到兩成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].start |
5275 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].end |
5277 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].text |
所以我的製程品他只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].start |
5277 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].end |
5279 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].text |
合乎小於2ppb的1.6ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].start |
5279 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].end |
5281 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].text |
那義式安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].start |
5281 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].end |
5283 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].text |
他算不算一個合格的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].start |
5283 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].end |
5285 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].text |
報告委員他是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].start |
5285 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].end |
5287 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].text |
這個階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].start |
5287 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].end |
5289 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].text |
其實我們的想法做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].start |
5289 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].end |
5291 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].text |
跟韓國歐盟一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].start |
5291 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].end |
5293 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].text |
對於這種的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].start |
5293 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].end |
5295 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].text |
比較濃度會下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].start |
5295 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].end |
5297 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].text |
理論上是如果知道他是惡性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].start |
5297 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].end |
5299 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].text |
是不可以稀釋的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].start |
5299 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].end |
5301 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].text |
但我們是不知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].start |
5301 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].end |
5303 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].text |
所以訂出這樣標準的情形之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].start |
5303 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].end |
5305 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].text |
就像說如果我是太空人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].start |
5305 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].end |
5307 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].text |
我知道我喝的水是從我的尿液 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].start |
5307 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].end |
5309 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].text |
重新提煉全化給我喝的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].start |
5309 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].end |
5311 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].text |
我敢喝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].start |
5311 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].end |
5313 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].text |
我知道游泳池檢驗過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].start |
5313 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].end |
5315 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].text |
合格我敢下水 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].start |
5315 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].end |
5317 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].text |
但是就算你拿一杯水給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].start |
5317 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].end |
5319 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].text |
他完全跟游泳池水一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].start |
5319 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].end |
5321 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].text |
但是你告訴我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].start |
5321 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].end |
5323 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].text |
這時候從我家馬桶裡面來稀釋過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].start |
5323 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].end |
5325 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].text |
我就不敢喝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].start |
5325 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].end |
5327 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].text |
完全合乎科學標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].start |
5327 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].end |
5329 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].text |
完全合乎食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].start |
5329 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].end |
5331 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].text |
但是不符合我們心理的安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].start |
5331 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].end |
5333 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].text |
所以後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].start |
5333 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].end |
5335 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].text |
為什麼我們還是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].start |
5335 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].end |
5337 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].text |
要讓他下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].start |
5337 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].end |
5339 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].text |
是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].start |
5339 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].end |
5341 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].text |
這是根據科學證據來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].start |
5341 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].end |
5343 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].text |
不要盡快為超傻傻分不清 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].start |
5343 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].end |
5345 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].text |
不要把下游的加工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].start |
5345 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].end |
5347 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].text |
他完全符合食安標準的法規產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].start |
5347 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].end |
5349 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].text |
硬要人家下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].start |
5349 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].end |
5351 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].text |
他是合法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].start |
5351 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].end |
5353 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].text |
但是基於消費者心理的感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].start |
5353 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].end |
5355 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].text |
明明可以喝的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].start |
5355 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].end |
5357 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].text |
太空人敢喝的自己的水 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].start |
5357 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].end |
5359 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].text |
我們到了我們台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].start |
5359 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].end |
5361 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].text |
到我們的地面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].start |
5361 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].end |
5363 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].text |
到我們的地球 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].start |
5363 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].end |
5365 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].text |
只要這杯水完全合標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].start |
5365 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].end |
5367 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].text |
跟你家馬桶咬出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].start |
5367 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].end |
5369 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].text |
你碰都不敢碰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].start |
5369 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].end |
5371 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].text |
這就是消費者心理的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].start |
5371 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].end |
5373 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].text |
所以我們現在看到這個問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].start |
5373 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].end |
5375 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].text |
如果是這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].start |
5375 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].end |
5377 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].text |
這些下游的食品廠是不是無辜的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].start |
5377 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].end |
5379 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].text |
我進了游 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].start |
5379 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].end |
5381 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].text |
我以為他是合標的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].start |
5381 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].end |
5383 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].text |
我生產完了 我要出廠前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].start |
5383 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].end |
5385 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].text |
我驗了也是合標的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].start |
5385 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].end |
5387 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].text |
請問為什麼要叫我下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].start |
5387 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].end |
5389 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].text |
我下架後的損失誰來補償我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].start |
5391 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].end |
5393 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].text |
部長你們怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].start |
5393 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].end |
5395 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].text |
是不是修食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].start |
5395 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].end |
5397 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].text |
是食安法面對我們配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].start |
5397 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].end |
5401 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].text |
所謂的預防性下架的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].start |
5401 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].end |
5403 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].text |
我們目前積極在修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].start |
5403 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].end |
5405 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].text |
以及找到消費的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].start |
5405 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].end |
5407 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].text |
就是你們現在勤政院版的增列第二條第五款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].start |
5407 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].end |
5409 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].text |
可是我們的食安基金目前只有10億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].start |
5409 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].end |
5411 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].text |
我們的食品業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].start |
5411 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].end |
5413 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].text |
佔我們國家的產值多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].start |
5413 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].end |
5415 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].text |
部長你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].start |
5415 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].end |
5417 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].text |
我們國家的食品加工業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].start |
5417 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].end |
5419 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].text |
我們有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].start |
5419 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].end |
5421 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].text |
是一個百億還是一個千億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].start |
5421 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].end |
5423 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].text |
部長你估一下大概是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].start |
5423 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].end |
5425 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].text |
他的產值 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].start |
5425 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].end |
5427 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].text |
應該有好幾百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].start |
5427 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].end |
5429 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].text |
應該上千億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].start |
5429 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].end |
5431 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].text |
那上千億如果按照這個方式下架的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].start |
5431 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].end |
5433 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].text |
受損的風險有沒有可能超過十億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].start |
5433 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].end |
5435 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].text |
那食安基金夠嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].start |
5435 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].end |
5437 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].text |
是不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].start |
5437 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].end |
5439 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].text |
不夠嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].start |
5439 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].end |
5441 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].text |
所以來部長你仔細聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].start |
5441 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].end |
5443 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].text |
我的修法 我在7月14號就問了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].start |
5443 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].end |
5445 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].text |
我說可不可以請經濟部研擬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].start |
5445 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].end |
5447 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].text |
食品產銷風險管理基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].start |
5447 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].end |
5449 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].start |
5449 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].end |
5451 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].text |
這些不知情的並沒有違法的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].start |
5451 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].end |
5453 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].text |
因為剛剛那樣的心理因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].start |
5453 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].end |
5455 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].text |
可能政府要求他配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].start |
5455 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].end |
5457 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].text |
把他合格的食品下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].start |
5457 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].end |
5459 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].text |
這樣的一個經濟損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].start |
5459 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].end |
5461 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].text |
我們弄一個風險管理基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].start |
5461 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].end |
5463 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].text |
來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].start |
5463 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].end |
5465 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].start |
5465 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].end |
5467 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].text |
那個時候是次長在陪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].start |
5467 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].end |
5469 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].text |
那時候你出國嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].start |
5469 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].end |
5471 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].text |
院長說這個可以來研究一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].start |
5471 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].end |
5473 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].text |
部長研究了沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].start |
5473 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].end |
5475 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].text |
部長有沒有研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].start |
5475 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].end |
5477 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].text |
食品產銷風險管理基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].start |
5477 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].end |
5479 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].text |
有沒有研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].start |
5479 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].end |
5481 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].text |
我個人來講是還蠻贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].start |
5481 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].end |
5483 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].text |
這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].start |
5483 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].end |
5485 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].text |
謝謝這句話就夠了你很贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].start |
5485 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].end |
5487 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].text |
因為我給你一個機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].start |
5487 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].end |
5489 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].text |
來接下來本席的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].start |
5489 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].end |
5491 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].text |
我就這次從行政院版當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].start |
5491 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].end |
5493 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].text |
我就寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].start |
5493 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].end |
5495 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].text |
為確保違規食品業者依指揮中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].start |
5495 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].end |
5497 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].text |
指示或中央主管機關依第四條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].start |
5497 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].end |
5499 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].text |
就是要求下架的公告辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].start |
5499 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].end |
5501 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].text |
得設立食品產銷風險管理基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].start |
5501 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].end |
5503 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].text |
秉持著同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].start |
5503 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].end |
5505 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].text |
互助的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].start |
5505 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].end |
5507 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].text |
給予必要的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].start |
5507 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].end |
5509 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].text |
並得委託其他機關構法人或團體辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].start |
5511 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].end |
5513 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].text |
前項基金依個別食品原料業者的銷售金額負別列帳 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].start |
5513 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].end |
5515 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].text |
你市占率越高的你就繳越多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].start |
5515 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].end |
5517 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].text |
費率怎麼算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].start |
5517 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].end |
5519 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].text |
這個是有類似的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].start |
5519 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].end |
5521 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].text |
我們的汽車強制責任險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].start |
5521 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].end |
5523 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].text |
有一個特別補償基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].start |
5523 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].end |
5525 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].text |
強保險很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].start |
5525 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].end |
5527 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].text |
強保險我今天被人家車撞了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].start |
5527 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].end |
5529 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].text |
萬一他是一個無照的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].start |
5529 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].end |
5531 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].text |
他是一個沒有經濟能力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].start |
5531 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].end |
5533 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].text |
我被他撞我倒楣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].start |
5533 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].end |
5535 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].text |
好 現在我們就講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].start |
5535 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].end |
5537 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].text |
我被人家車撞了我可以跟誰求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].start |
5537 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].end |
5539 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].text |
我可以跟我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].start |
5539 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].end |
5541 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].text |
強保基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].start |
5541 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].end |
5543 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].text |
那強保基金誰出我用保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].start |
5543 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].end |
5545 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].text |
但是我們在其他的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].start |
5545 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].end |
5547 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].text |
有同業來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].start |
5547 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].end |
5549 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].text |
叫什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].start |
5549 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].end |
5551 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].text |
平保協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].start |
5551 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].end |
5553 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].text |
我們的旅遊品質保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].start |
5553 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].end |
5555 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].text |
一個基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].start |
5555 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].end |
5557 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].text |
萬一我的旅行就倒了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].start |
5557 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].end |
5559 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].text |
我在國外回不來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].start |
5559 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].end |
5561 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].text |
飯店上面有結 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].start |
5561 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].end |
5563 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].text |
就會從這個同業的這個基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].start |
5563 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].end |
5565 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].text |
幫我把旅館錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].start |
5565 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].end |
5567 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].text |
巧了我可以回國來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].start |
5567 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].end |
5569 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].text |
部長有沒有聽過這樣的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].start |
5569 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].end |
5571 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].text |
有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].start |
5571 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].end |
5573 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].text |
所以第一項基金的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].start |
5573 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].end |
5575 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].text |
包括說食品原料業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].start |
5575 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].end |
5577 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].text |
依前項角的費用及知識收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].start |
5577 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].end |
5579 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].text |
及給付的支出餘額 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].start |
5579 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].end |
5581 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].text |
這些就是讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].start |
5581 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].end |
5583 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].text |
食品業者他們透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].start |
5583 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].end |
5585 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].text |
自己供基金的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].start |
5585 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].end |
5587 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].text |
遇到有同業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].start |
5587 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].end |
5589 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].text |
老鼠屎壞了一鍋粥的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].start |
5589 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].end |
5591 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].text |
同業至少可以怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].start |
5591 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].end |
5593 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].text |
透過這個基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].start |
5593 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].end |
5595 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].text |
把守法的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].start |
5595 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].end |
5597 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].text |
因為這樣的一個不必要的損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].start |
5597 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].end |
5599 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].text |
得以救濟得以補償 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].start |
5599 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].end |
5601 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].text |
部長你支持這樣的構想 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].start |
5601 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].end |
5603 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].text |
支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].start |
5603 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].end |
5605 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].text |
所以後面我就不再講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].start |
5605 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].end |
5607 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].text |
我們看結論往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].start |
5607 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].end |
5609 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].text |
所以請經濟部協助業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].start |
5609 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].end |
5611 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].text |
成立食品產銷風險管理基金的肯行性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].start |
5611 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].end |
5613 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].text |
並提出順便報告好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].start |
5613 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].end |
5615 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].text |
所以以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].start |
5615 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].end |
5617 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].text |
去市場講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].start |
5617 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].end |
5619 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].text |
不能用未超 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].start |
5619 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].end |
5621 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].text |
的資源去判裁業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].start |
5621 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].end |
5623 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].text |
所以處長你要說的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].start |
5623 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].end |
5625 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].text |
那20% |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].start |
5625 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].end |
5627 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].text |
為什麼20%那時候你們認為原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].start |
5627 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].end |
5629 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].text |
有占不到20%就不用下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].start |
5629 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].end |
5631 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].text |
因為法規的標準科學正確一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].start |
5631 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].end |
5633 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].text |
但是為什麼後來你們改變了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].start |
5633 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].end |
5635 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].text |
因為民眾心不安 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].start |
5635 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].end |
5637 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].text |
謝謝部長謝謝署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].start |
5637 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].end |
5639 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].text |
謝謝部長署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].start |
5639 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].end |
5641 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].text |
謝謝中間委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].start |
5641 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].end |
5643 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].text |
接下來我們請秋志偉委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].start |
5643 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].end |
5645 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].text |
質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].start |
5649 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].end |
5651 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].text |
謝謝主席是不是請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].start |
5651 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].end |
5653 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].text |
經濟部管部長台唐 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].start |
5653 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].end |
5655 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].text |
請經濟部部長台唐 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].start |
5655 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].end |
5657 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].start |
5657 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].end |
5659 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].text |
江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].start |
5659 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].end |
5661 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].text |
江署長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].start |
5661 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].end |
5663 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].text |
謝謝署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].start |
5663 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].end |
5665 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].text |
謝謝署長還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].start |
5665 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].end |
5667 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].text |
副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].start |
5667 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].end |
5669 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].text |
就今天的報告內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].start |
5669 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].end |
5671 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].text |
是針對台唐 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].start |
5671 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].end |
5673 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].text |
的經營治理跟風險管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].start |
5673 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].end |
5675 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].text |
的經營治理跟風險管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].start |
5675 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].end |
5677 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].text |
的經營治理跟風險管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].start |
5677 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].end |
5679 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].text |
的經營治理跟風險管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].start |
5679 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].end |
5681 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].text |
那從中聯油紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].start |
5681 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].end |
5683 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].text |
這個事業來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].start |
5683 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].end |
5685 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].text |
這個一個公司的經營 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].start |
5685 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].end |
5687 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].text |
治理跟風險管控因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].start |
5687 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].end |
5689 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].text |
台唐是國營事業他是公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].start |
5689 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].end |
5691 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].text |
第一個他最基本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].start |
5691 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].end |
5693 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].text |
條件要做到合情合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].start |
5693 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].end |
5695 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].text |
而且要合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].start |
5695 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].end |
5697 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].text |
合規合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].start |
5697 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].end |
5699 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].text |
合規加上合憲合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].start |
5699 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].end |
5701 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].text |
大家如果這四個條件都做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].start |
5701 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].end |
5703 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].text |
經營治理跟風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].start |
5703 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].end |
5705 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].text |
管控基本上不會有太大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].start |
5705 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].end |
5707 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].text |
好從中聯油紙這個事業來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].start |
5707 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].end |
5709 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].text |
我看到貴部的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].start |
5709 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].end |
5711 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].text |
你們去小港 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].start |
5711 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].end |
5713 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].text |
去做實地的查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].start |
5713 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].end |
5715 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].text |
查核結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].start |
5715 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].end |
5717 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].text |
有分三點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].start |
5717 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].end |
5719 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].text |
在你們報告裡面也講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].start |
5719 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].end |
5721 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].text |
包括他你們檢驗的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].start |
5721 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].end |
5723 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].text |
以及第二次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].start |
5723 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].end |
5725 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].text |
在521在6月11號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].start |
5725 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].end |
5727 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].text |
的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].start |
5727 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].end |
5729 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].text |
有合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].start |
5729 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].end |
5731 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].text |
合格跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].start |
5731 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].end |
5733 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].text |
之前的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].start |
5733 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].end |
5735 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].text |
中聯油問題的成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].start |
5735 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].end |
5737 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].text |
這個批號是完全沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].start |
5737 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].end |
5739 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].text |
這第一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].start |
5739 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].end |
5741 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].text |
台方公司的自主檢查是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].start |
5741 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].end |
5743 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].text |
機制很嚴謹第三 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].start |
5743 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].end |
5745 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].text |
檢驗包括衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].start |
5745 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].end |
5747 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].text |
包括這個高雄市政府衛生局的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].start |
5747 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].end |
5749 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].text |
查驗都全部都合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].start |
5749 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].end |
5751 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].text |
從三點來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].start |
5751 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].end |
5753 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].text |
好今天的題目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].start |
5753 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].end |
5755 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].text |
是經營治理風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].start |
5755 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].end |
5757 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].text |
控管我乍看之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].start |
5757 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].end |
5759 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].text |
是不是有很大的經營治理跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].start |
5759 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].end |
5761 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].text |
風險控管的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].start |
5761 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].end |
5763 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].text |
就從中研油紙的事情來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].start |
5763 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].end |
5765 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].text |
您覺得台方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].start |
5765 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].end |
5767 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].text |
在這個經營治理跟風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].start |
5767 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].end |
5769 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].text |
控管表現怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].start |
5769 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].end |
5771 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].start |
5773 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].end |
5775 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].text |
剛剛委員提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].start |
5775 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].end |
5777 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].text |
最重要公務員要合法合規 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].start |
5777 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].end |
5779 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].text |
合情合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].start |
5779 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].end |
5781 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].text |
合法合規這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].start |
5781 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].end |
5783 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].text |
已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].start |
5783 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].end |
5785 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].text |
包括食藥署包括地方政府都 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].start |
5785 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].end |
5787 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].text |
已經做了說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].start |
5787 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].end |
5789 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].text |
合情合理的部分就是要自我要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].start |
5789 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].end |
5791 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].text |
要求很嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].start |
5791 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].end |
5793 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].text |
所以為什麼他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].start |
5793 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].end |
5795 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].text |
舉行三十二次的檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].start |
5795 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].end |
5797 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].text |
包括自己的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].start |
5797 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].end |
5799 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].text |
十二次檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].start |
5799 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].end |
5801 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].text |
自主檢查地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].start |
5801 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].end |
5803 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].text |
相對嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].start |
5803 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].end |
5805 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].text |
所以他所有的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].start |
5805 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].end |
5807 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].text |
基本上通通是合規的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].start |
5807 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].end |
5809 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].text |
所以他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].start |
5809 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].end |
5811 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].text |
基本上合法合規 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].start |
5811 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].end |
5813 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].text |
然後自主檢驗非常嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].start |
5813 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].end |
5815 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].text |
又合情合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].start |
5815 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].end |
5817 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].text |
讓所有消費者能夠安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].start |
5817 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].end |
5819 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].text |
所以覺得這次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].start |
5819 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].end |
5821 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].text |
針對中油紙事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].start |
5821 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].end |
5823 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].text |
台湯的經營 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].start |
5823 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].end |
5825 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].text |
治理跟風險控管表現得還可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].start |
5827 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].end |
5829 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].start |
5829 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].end |
5831 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].text |
請教一下副總蔡副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].start |
5831 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].end |
5833 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].text |
那外界指引你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].start |
5833 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].end |
5835 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].text |
什麼你覺得在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].start |
5835 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].end |
5837 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].text |
經營治理跟風險控管的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].start |
5837 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].end |
5839 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].text |
貴公司做得怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].start |
5839 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].end |
5841 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].text |
台湯公司一直以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].start |
5841 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].end |
5843 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].text |
都是用最嚴格的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].start |
5843 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].end |
5845 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].text |
再訂定我們的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].start |
5845 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].end |
5847 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].text |
所以你基本上做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].start |
5847 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].end |
5849 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].text |
合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].start |
5849 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].end |
5851 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].text |
合規也做到兼顧合情合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].start |
5851 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].end |
5853 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].start |
5853 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].end |
5855 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].text |
問心無愧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].start |
5855 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].end |
5857 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].text |
第三方是食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].start |
5857 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].end |
5859 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].text |
食藥署也 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].start |
5859 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].end |
5861 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].text |
高頻率的去檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].start |
5861 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].end |
5863 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].text |
食藥署檢驗了幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].start |
5863 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].end |
5865 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].start |
5865 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].end |
5867 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].text |
超過十次以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].start |
5867 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].end |
5869 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].text |
而且在短時間之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].start |
5869 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].end |
5871 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].text |
我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].start |
5871 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].end |
5873 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].text |
這一次的事件之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].start |
5873 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].end |
5875 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].text |
再一次去確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].start |
5875 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].end |
5877 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].text |
不只是在台湯其他的三家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].start |
5877 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].end |
5879 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].text |
檢查結果如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].start |
5879 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].end |
5881 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].text |
檢查結果都是合規的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].start |
5881 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].end |
5883 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].text |
合不成7個檢體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].start |
5883 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].end |
5885 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].text |
他做到合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].start |
5885 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].end |
5887 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].text |
合規合情合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].start |
5887 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].end |
5889 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].text |
是不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].start |
5889 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].end |
5891 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].text |
所以不管是從 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].start |
5891 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].end |
5893 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].text |
台湯或者都島台湯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].start |
5893 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].end |
5895 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].text |
經濟部或者第三方的食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].start |
5895 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].end |
5897 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].text |
都認為在中年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].start |
5897 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].end |
5899 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].text |
油紙這個事件裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].start |
5899 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].end |
5901 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].text |
台湯的經營治理跟風險控管沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].start |
5903 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].end |
5905 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].text |
報告也寫得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].start |
5905 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].end |
5907 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].text |
好我第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].start |
5907 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].end |
5909 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].text |
再看一下我的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].start |
5909 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].end |
5911 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].text |
給經濟部的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].start |
5915 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].end |
5917 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].start |
5917 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].end |
5919 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].text |
下一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].start |
5919 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].end |
5921 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].start |
5921 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].end |
5923 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].text |
下一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].start |
5923 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].end |
5925 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].start |
5925 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].end |
5927 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].text |
不是這剛才那一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].start |
5927 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].end |
5929 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].text |
跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].start |
5929 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].end |
5931 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].text |
南橋裁罰的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].start |
5931 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].end |
5933 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].text |
台北市衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].start |
5933 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].end |
5935 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].text |
他裁罰理由是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].start |
5935 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].end |
5937 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].text |
署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].start |
5937 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].end |
5939 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].text |
我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].start |
5939 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].end |
5941 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].text |
就針對台北市裁罰南橋理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].start |
5941 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].end |
5943 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].text |
南橋是買了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].start |
5943 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].end |
5945 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].text |
中聯電油的成品的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].start |
5945 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].end |
5947 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].text |
跟台湯的問題的本質 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].start |
5947 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].end |
5949 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].text |
是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].start |
5949 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].end |
5951 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].text |
一個是要買回來經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].start |
5951 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].end |
5953 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].text |
一個是成品的油要給人家使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].start |
5953 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].end |
5955 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].text |
或者是要來做價格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].start |
5955 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].end |
5957 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].text |
所以外界把它混起來一起打 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].start |
5957 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].end |
5959 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].text |
這完全是不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].start |
5959 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].end |
5961 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].text |
所以經濟部的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].start |
5961 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].end |
5963 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].text |
給立法院報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].start |
5963 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].end |
5965 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].text |
根本合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].start |
5965 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].end |
5967 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].text |
合規合齊合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].start |
5967 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].end |
5969 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].start |
5969 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].end |
5971 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].text |
把這個據說的異常的批示 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].start |
5971 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].end |
5973 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].text |
跟使用問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].start |
5973 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].end |
5975 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].text |
油品混為一談 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].start |
5975 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].end |
5977 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].text |
把兩件完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].start |
5977 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].end |
5979 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].text |
本質不一樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].start |
5979 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].end |
5981 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].text |
去混為一談 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].start |
5981 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].end |
5983 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].text |
造成這個民眾的錯誤認知 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].start |
5983 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].end |
5985 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].text |
對台湯的商議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].start |
5985 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].end |
5987 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].text |
是一個非常大的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].start |
5987 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].end |
5989 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].text |
副總你有跟他委屈嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].start |
5991 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].end |
5993 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].text |
是謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].start |
5993 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].end |
5995 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].text |
那你被外界這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].start |
5995 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].end |
5997 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].text |
混起來一起打 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].start |
5997 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].end |
5999 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].text |
你固然覺得委屈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].start |
5999 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].end |
6001 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].text |
但是你對商議要不要求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].start |
6001 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].end |
6003 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].text |
這個我們事後會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].start |
6003 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].end |
6005 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].text |
跟律師這邊來做檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].start |
6005 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].end |
6007 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].text |
所以不管是台湯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].start |
6007 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].end |
6009 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].text |
或者是經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].start |
6009 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].end |
6011 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].text |
應該把這兩件事情的本質 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].start |
6011 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].end |
6013 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].text |
跟市民的本質 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].start |
6013 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].end |
6015 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].text |
去做檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].start |
6015 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].end |
6017 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].text |
所以這兩件事情的本質 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].start |
6017 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].end |
6019 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].text |
跟大家清楚的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].start |
6019 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].end |
6021 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].text |
這完全不一樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].start |
6021 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].end |
6023 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].text |
你把它混起來一起打 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].start |
6023 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].end |
6025 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].text |
混淆這個民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].start |
6025 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].end |
6027 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].text |
讓民眾產生憂慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].start |
6027 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].end |
6029 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].text |
跟不安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].start |
6031 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].end |
6033 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].text |
我覺得是別有動機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].start |
6033 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].end |
6035 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].text |
動機可異 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].start |
6035 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].end |
6037 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].text |
那部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].start |
6037 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].end |
6039 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].text |
你覺得這個部分要不要再做一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].start |
6039 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].end |
6041 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].text |
的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].start |
6041 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].end |
6043 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].text |
是 報告委員事實上我們一再說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].start |
6043 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].end |
6045 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].text |
就是說這是兩回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].start |
6045 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].end |
6047 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].text |
一個是半成品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].start |
6047 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].end |
6049 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].text |
而且311那桶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].start |
6049 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].end |
6051 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].text |
的出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].start |
6051 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].end |
6053 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].text |
基本上還在中聯裡面沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].start |
6053 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].end |
6055 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].text |
交易出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].start |
6055 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].end |
6057 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].text |
因為台湯跟他講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].start |
6057 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].end |
6059 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].text |
你這個可能不符合我們的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].start |
6059 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].end |
6061 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].text |
所以他可能也沒有賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].start |
6061 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].end |
6063 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].text |
他賣出來是其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].start |
6063 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].end |
6065 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].text |
不合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].start |
6065 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].end |
6067 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].text |
那這個不合格的就是中聯事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].start |
6067 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].end |
6069 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].text |
真的是不良廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].start |
6069 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].end |
6071 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].text |
所以該譴責的是中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].start |
6071 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].end |
6073 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].text |
我覺得是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].start |
6073 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].end |
6075 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].text |
因為台湯公司不可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].start |
6075 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].end |
6077 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].text |
是查他所有的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].start |
6077 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].end |
6079 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].text |
其他的單位應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].start |
6079 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].end |
6081 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].text |
比較積極的去檢查其他的油才對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].start |
6081 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].end |
6083 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].text |
讓他不敢賣出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].start |
6083 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].end |
6085 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].text |
所以問題是中聯嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].start |
6085 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].end |
6087 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].text |
所以台湯有沒有覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].start |
6087 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].end |
6089 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].text |
我做到要死 還有人也要死 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].start |
6089 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].end |
6091 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].text |
我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].start |
6091 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].end |
6093 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].text |
窮盡所能去維護這個食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].start |
6095 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].end |
6097 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].text |
法律相關的規定我全部遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].start |
6097 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].end |
6099 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].text |
而且要加強去辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].start |
6099 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].end |
6101 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].text |
結果還是被外界這個混為一談 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].start |
6103 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].end |
6105 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].text |
這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].start |
6105 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].end |
6107 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].text |
這個要強力的去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].start |
6107 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].end |
6109 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].text |
回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].start |
6109 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].end |
6111 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].text |
要訴諸法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].start |
6111 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].end |
6113 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].text |
如果對台湯的商譽 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].start |
6113 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].end |
6115 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].text |
或是收益造成很大的影響的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].start |
6115 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].end |
6117 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].text |
這個台湯也要考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].start |
6117 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].end |
6119 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].text |
好 再下一張標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].start |
6119 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].end |
6121 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].start |
6121 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].end |
6123 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].text |
出油有沒有訂這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].start |
6123 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].end |
6125 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].text |
通報義務怎麼認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].start |
6125 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].end |
6127 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].text |
我想請問一下江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].start |
6127 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].end |
6129 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].text |
這個是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].start |
6129 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].end |
6131 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].text |
製程中的一項還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].start |
6131 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].end |
6133 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].text |
決定要給民眾吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].start |
6133 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].end |
6135 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].text |
要經過精煉 所以是沒有訂標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].start |
6135 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].end |
6137 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].text |
訂的標準一定成品是可吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].start |
6139 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].end |
6141 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].text |
那如果是按照相關的法律規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].start |
6141 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].end |
6143 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].text |
通報的前提是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].start |
6143 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].end |
6145 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].text |
有危害衛生安全之虞嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].start |
6147 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].end |
6149 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].text |
這邊先委員說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].start |
6149 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].end |
6151 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].text |
之前韓市講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].start |
6151 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].end |
6153 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].text |
蘇丹紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].start |
6153 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].end |
6155 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].text |
蘇丹紅是不能添加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].start |
6155 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].end |
6157 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].text |
跟這個第15條第三款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].start |
6157 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].end |
6159 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].text |
跟這個不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].start |
6159 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].end |
6161 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].text |
這是第7條第5項的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].start |
6161 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].end |
6163 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].text |
它沒有任何還沒有進入我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].start |
6163 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].end |
6165 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].text |
是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].start |
6165 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].end |
6167 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].text |
沒有違反第7條第5項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].start |
6167 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].end |
6169 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].text |
所謂危害衛生安全之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].start |
6169 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].end |
6171 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].text |
因為這個根本就還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].start |
6171 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].end |
6173 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].text |
完全不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].start |
6173 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].end |
6175 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].text |
所以我覺得這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].start |
6175 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].end |
6177 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].text |
也要去做一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].start |
6177 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].end |
6179 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].text |
這兩件事情完全不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].start |
6179 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].end |
6181 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].text |
就跟那個中聯營 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].start |
6181 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].end |
6183 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].text |
或是跟台湯這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].start |
6183 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].end |
6185 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].text |
完全不一樣的性質 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].start |
6185 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].end |
6187 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].text |
跟委員報告一下 我這邊其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].start |
6187 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].end |
6189 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].text |
要再次強烈的 我在署內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].start |
6189 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].end |
6191 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].text |
一個多月來 我們強力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].start |
6191 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].end |
6193 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].text |
譴責中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].start |
6193 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].end |
6195 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].text |
但是我並沒有聽到大家對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].start |
6195 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].end |
6197 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].text |
中聯一致的譴責 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].start |
6197 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].end |
6199 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].text |
這件事情其實是我們很痛心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].start |
6199 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].end |
6201 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].text |
的一件事情 因為我們所有的員工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].start |
6201 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].end |
6203 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].text |
同仁們持續努力為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].start |
6203 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].end |
6205 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].text |
食品安全而把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].start |
6205 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].end |
6207 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].text |
TFD的同仁們去找出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].start |
6207 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].end |
6209 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].text |
所有的細節 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].start |
6209 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].end |
6211 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].text |
把它精緻的區分 科學的區分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].start |
6211 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].end |
6213 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].text |
讓民眾能夠安心安全這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].start |
6213 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].end |
6215 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].text |
我們對中聯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].start |
6215 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].end |
6217 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].text |
譴責 以三家公司的譴責 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].start |
6217 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].end |
6219 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].text |
我們不斷的說出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].start |
6219 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].end |
6221 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].text |
可是我沒有聽到大家對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].start |
6221 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].end |
6223 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].text |
中聯的譴責 這是讓我比較痛心的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].start |
6223 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].end |
6225 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].text |
我在這邊譴責 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].start |
6227 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].end |
6229 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].start |
6229 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].end |
6231 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].text |
強力譴責 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].start |
6231 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].end |
6233 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].text |
部長 請教像這個電價 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].start |
6233 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].end |
6235 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].text |
因為10月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].start |
6235 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].end |
6237 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].text |
電價可能會動漲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].start |
6237 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].end |
6239 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].start |
6239 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].end |
6241 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].text |
不是你說了算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].start |
6241 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].end |
6243 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].text |
神應委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].start |
6243 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].end |
6245 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].text |
動漲機會蠻大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].start |
6245 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].end |
6247 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].text |
但如果這樣動漲的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].start |
6247 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].end |
6249 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].text |
對台電的財務會造成更大的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].start |
6249 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].end |
6251 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].text |
那有沒有追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].start |
6251 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].end |
6253 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].text |
來撥補台電的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].start |
6253 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].end |
6255 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].text |
虧損的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].start |
6255 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].end |
6257 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].start |
6257 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].end |
6259 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].text |
因為照顧民生穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].start |
6259 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].end |
6261 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].text |
物價 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].start |
6261 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].end |
6263 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].text |
這是我們最大的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].start |
6263 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].end |
6265 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].text |
政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].start |
6265 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].end |
6267 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].text |
但台電也不能倒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].start |
6267 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].end |
6269 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].text |
所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].start |
6269 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].end |
6271 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].text |
我們的確是有跟主委總處 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].start |
6271 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].end |
6273 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].text |
在討論這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].start |
6273 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].end |
6275 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].text |
是不是可以透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].start |
6275 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].end |
6277 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].text |
什麼樣的形式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].start |
6277 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].end |
6279 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].text |
現在正在進行中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].start |
6279 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].end |
6281 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].text |
透過追加預算的撥補台電 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].start |
6281 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].end |
6283 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].text |
因為動漲造成損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].start |
6283 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].end |
6285 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].text |
維持民生電價的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].start |
6285 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].end |
6287 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].text |
穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].start |
6287 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].end |
6289 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].text |
讓民眾安心 這個是我們最大的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].start |
6289 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].end |
6291 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].text |
另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].start |
6291 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].end |
6293 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].text |
台電也不能讓它倒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].start |
6293 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].end |
6295 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].text |
也不能讓財務結構一再惡化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].start |
6295 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].end |
6297 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].text |
這部分我想還是要跟主委總處 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].start |
6297 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].end |
6299 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].text |
更新一點多加支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].start |
6299 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].end |
6301 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].start |
6301 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].end |
6303 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].start |
6303 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].end |
6305 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].text |
謝謝協助委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].start |
6305 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].end |
6307 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].text |
謝謝部長 署長跟台長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].start |
6307 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].end |
6309 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].text |
接下來我們有請謝一鳳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].start |
6309 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].end |
6311 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].text |
資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].start |
6321 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].end |
6323 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].start |
6323 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].end |
6325 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].text |
我們有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].start |
6325 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].end |
6327 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].text |
恐怖長還有我們食藥署的江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].start |
6327 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].end |
6329 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].text |
恐怖長食藥署江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].start |
6333 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].end |
6335 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].text |
謝署長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].start |
6335 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].end |
6337 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].text |
我想要先問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].start |
6337 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].end |
6339 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].text |
署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].start |
6339 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].end |
6341 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].text |
現在什麼油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].start |
6341 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].end |
6343 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].text |
可以喝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].start |
6343 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].end |
6345 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].text |
現在什麼油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].start |
6345 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].end |
6347 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].text |
你盡力的檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].start |
6347 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].end |
6349 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].text |
我們現在到底食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].start |
6349 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].end |
6351 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].text |
我們食用油從大豆油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].start |
6351 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].end |
6353 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].text |
從我們的酥炸油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].start |
6353 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].end |
6355 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].text |
到我們進一步的橄欖油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].start |
6355 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].end |
6357 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].text |
所以一系列的油裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].start |
6357 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].end |
6359 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].text |
我們目前看到大豆油經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].start |
6359 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].end |
6361 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].text |
60% |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].start |
6361 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].end |
6363 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].text |
各種油其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].start |
6363 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].end |
6365 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].text |
現在所有油都可以喝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].start |
6365 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].end |
6367 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].text |
對 油都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].start |
6367 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].end |
6369 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].text |
平常都不敢喝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].start |
6369 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].end |
6371 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].text |
平常不會特別去喝油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].start |
6371 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].end |
6373 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].text |
這件事情我們是支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].start |
6373 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].end |
6375 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].text |
主菜當然不會喝油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].start |
6375 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].end |
6377 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].text |
大家都不敢吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].start |
6377 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].end |
6379 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].start |
6379 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].end |
6381 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].text |
我們這個扁平皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].start |
6381 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].end |
6383 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].text |
我們有一個英文叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].start |
6383 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].end |
6385 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].text |
盡量讓它能夠達到比較合理的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].start |
6385 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].end |
6387 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].text |
所以我們定油的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].start |
6387 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].end |
6389 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].text |
是定2PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].start |
6389 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].end |
6391 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].text |
全世界最嚴格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].start |
6391 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].end |
6393 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].text |
所以就是因為這麼嚴格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].start |
6393 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].end |
6395 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].text |
所以我們希望我們廠商都能夠達到這個效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].start |
6395 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].end |
6397 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].text |
目前我們驗起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].start |
6397 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].end |
6399 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].text |
幾乎所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].start |
6399 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].end |
6401 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].text |
連這次的中聯之後事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].start |
6401 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].end |
6403 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].text |
我們也看起來都目前都在合格的範圍內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].start |
6403 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].end |
6405 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].text |
那我們持續努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].start |
6405 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].end |
6407 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].text |
如果現在台湯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].start |
6407 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].end |
6409 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].text |
他們說下半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].start |
6409 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].end |
6411 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].text |
他停購出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].start |
6411 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].end |
6413 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].text |
那他自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].start |
6413 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].end |
6415 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].text |
來自主進口黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].start |
6415 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].end |
6417 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].text |
來產生就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].start |
6417 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].end |
6419 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].text |
他的出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].start |
6419 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].end |
6421 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].text |
那我想要問你的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].start |
6421 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].end |
6423 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].text |
其他油廠可不可以按照這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].start |
6423 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].end |
6425 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].text |
那其他油廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].start |
6425 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].end |
6427 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].text |
到底有多少的油廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].start |
6427 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].end |
6429 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].text |
需要經過這樣子相關的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].start |
6429 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].end |
6431 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].text |
我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].start |
6431 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].end |
6433 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].text |
所有油廠對於他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].start |
6433 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].end |
6435 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].text |
現在出品到市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].start |
6435 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].end |
6437 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].text |
都要符合2PPB這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].start |
6437 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].end |
6439 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].text |
是人盡皆知 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].start |
6439 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].end |
6441 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].text |
他們也不至於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].start |
6441 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].end |
6443 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].text |
我們也會全力的去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].start |
6443 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].end |
6445 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].text |
持續的檢測跟檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].start |
6445 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].end |
6447 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].text |
讓他達到標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].start |
6447 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].end |
6449 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].text |
我想在這個階段裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].start |
6449 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].end |
6451 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].text |
這個市民安全衛生標準裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].start |
6451 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].end |
6453 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].text |
2PPB大家都清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].start |
6453 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].end |
6455 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].text |
也是我們要去努力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].start |
6455 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].end |
6457 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].text |
都是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].start |
6457 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].end |
6459 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].text |
通通都要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].start |
6459 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].end |
6461 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].text |
只要是油品的一律要符合這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].start |
6461 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].end |
6463 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].text |
這是不變的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].start |
6463 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].end |
6465 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].text |
那油廠現在都已經有能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].start |
6465 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].end |
6467 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].text |
符合檢驗的這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].start |
6467 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].end |
6469 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].text |
實驗室嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].start |
6469 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].end |
6471 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].text |
實驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].start |
6471 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].end |
6473 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].text |
能夠驗出它的結果是最重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].start |
6473 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].end |
6475 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].text |
所以我們有需要所認證的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].start |
6475 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].end |
6477 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].text |
實驗室或認可的實驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].start |
6477 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].end |
6479 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].text |
都可以協助的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].start |
6479 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].end |
6481 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].text |
有沒有辦法協助地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].start |
6481 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].end |
6483 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].text |
一路以來我們都是有協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].start |
6483 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].end |
6485 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].text |
地方政府跟對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].start |
6485 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].end |
6487 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].text |
所有能夠檢驗的認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].start |
6487 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].end |
6489 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].text |
跟認可的實驗室能夠把量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].start |
6489 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].end |
6491 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].text |
讓每一批的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].start |
6491 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].end |
6493 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].text |
都希望能夠逐批達到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].start |
6493 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].end |
6495 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].text |
這樣子的檢驗的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].start |
6495 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].end |
6497 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].text |
讓民眾能夠安全又能夠安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].start |
6497 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].end |
6499 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].text |
是我們能夠做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].start |
6499 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].end |
6501 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].text |
部長我請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].start |
6501 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].end |
6503 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].text |
台糖他說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].start |
6503 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].end |
6505 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].text |
這一批原料是沒有進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].start |
6505 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].end |
6507 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].text |
最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].start |
6507 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].end |
6509 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].text |
最終產品了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].start |
6509 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].end |
6511 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].text |
那未來有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].start |
6511 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].end |
6513 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].text |
台糖要建立主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].start |
6513 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].end |
6515 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].text |
主管機關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].start |
6515 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].end |
6517 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].text |
這樣子的一個目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].start |
6517 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].end |
6519 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].text |
台糖現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].start |
6519 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].end |
6521 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].text |
台糖現在他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].start |
6521 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].end |
6523 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].text |
下半年是要自己進 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].start |
6523 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].end |
6525 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].text |
黃豆了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].start |
6525 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].end |
6527 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].text |
所以就沒有會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].start |
6527 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].end |
6529 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].text |
檢驗其他公司的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].start |
6529 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].end |
6531 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].text |
產品的問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].start |
6531 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].end |
6533 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].text |
可是我現在說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].start |
6533 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].end |
6535 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].text |
未來他有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].start |
6535 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].end |
6537 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].text |
就是說主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].start |
6537 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].end |
6539 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].text |
通報主管機關被查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].start |
6539 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].end |
6541 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].text |
就食安這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].start |
6541 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].end |
6543 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].text |
因為他沒有去檢驗別人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].start |
6543 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].end |
6545 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].text |
也沒有通報的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].start |
6545 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].end |
6547 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].text |
如果他自己檢驗出來合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].start |
6547 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].end |
6549 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].text |
合格當然就會拋棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].start |
6549 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].end |
6551 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].text |
或是精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].start |
6551 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].end |
6553 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].text |
讓他符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].start |
6553 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].end |
6555 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].text |
那他進口的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].start |
6555 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].end |
6557 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].text |
我是說他進口這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].start |
6557 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].end |
6559 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].text |
初豆裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].start |
6559 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].end |
6561 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].text |
他到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].start |
6561 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].end |
6563 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].text |
現在有問題的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].start |
6563 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].end |
6565 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].text |
是從巴西的那未來是從哪裡進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].start |
6567 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].end |
6569 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].text |
還在思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].start |
6569 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].end |
6571 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].text |
他的原料黃豆是從哪裡進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].start |
6571 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].end |
6573 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].text |
那個台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].start |
6573 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].end |
6575 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].text |
是跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].start |
6575 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].end |
6577 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].text |
一直以來台糖公司所進的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].start |
6577 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].end |
6579 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].text |
都是跟美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].start |
6579 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].end |
6581 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].text |
買的都是美國北美的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].start |
6581 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].end |
6583 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].text |
這個黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].start |
6583 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].end |
6585 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].text |
可是過去你們沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].start |
6585 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].end |
6587 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].text |
你們沒有把它用來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].start |
6587 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].end |
6589 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].text |
使用油的那種 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].start |
6589 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].end |
6591 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].text |
有我們都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].start |
6591 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].end |
6593 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].text |
自己進黃豆壓榨成粗油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].start |
6593 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].end |
6595 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].text |
再把這個粗油精煉成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].start |
6595 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].end |
6597 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].text |
末端消費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].start |
6597 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].end |
6599 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].text |
大眾可以使用的大豆沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].start |
6601 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].end |
6603 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].text |
如果說我們產能不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].start |
6603 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].end |
6605 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].text |
我們才會對外去採購粗油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].start |
6607 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].end |
6609 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].text |
他粗油他是一個中間的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].start |
6609 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].end |
6611 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].text |
如果說我們不夠的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].start |
6611 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].end |
6613 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].text |
我們才會對外去採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].start |
6613 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].end |
6615 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].text |
那這次我們會對外招標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].start |
6615 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].end |
6617 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].text |
就是我們的粗油量不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].start |
6617 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].end |
6619 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].text |
那我們必須要對外來採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].start |
6619 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].end |
6621 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].text |
那採購發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].start |
6621 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].end |
6623 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].text |
這個他不符合我們的招標規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].start |
6623 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].end |
6625 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].text |
我們就拒收 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].start |
6625 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].end |
6627 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].text |
等於說從頭到尾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].start |
6627 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].end |
6629 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].text |
這個油跟台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].start |
6629 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].end |
6631 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].text |
都沒有進來過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].start |
6631 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].end |
6633 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].text |
我們是拒收 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].start |
6633 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].end |
6635 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].text |
那至於說他這個粗油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].start |
6635 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].end |
6637 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].text |
到底有沒有食品安全的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].start |
6637 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].end |
6639 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].text |
這個是沒有標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].start |
6639 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].end |
6641 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].text |
所以沒有所謂大眾所誤解的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].start |
6641 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].end |
6643 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].text |
就是說超標啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].start |
6643 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].end |
6645 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].text |
或者說超標七倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].start |
6645 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].end |
6647 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].text |
他是沒有所謂超標的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].start |
6647 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].end |
6649 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].text |
所以台糖公司也無從去通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].start |
6649 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].end |
6651 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].text |
不是不是我不是在說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].start |
6651 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].end |
6653 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].text |
因為我們是未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].start |
6653 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].end |
6655 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].text |
就是說出口出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].start |
6655 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].end |
6657 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].text |
就是說販售出去到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].start |
6657 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].end |
6659 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].text |
社會大眾的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].start |
6659 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].end |
6661 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].text |
油品的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].start |
6661 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].end |
6663 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].text |
當然希望說能夠符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].start |
6663 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].end |
6665 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].text |
食安的這個標準嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].start |
6665 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].end |
6667 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].text |
那現在是不是根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].start |
6667 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].end |
6669 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].text |
未來我們也要修訂食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].start |
6669 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].end |
6671 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].text |
那食安法是不是會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].start |
6671 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].end |
6673 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].text |
對於這個相關的規定裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].start |
6673 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].end |
6675 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].text |
你們要不要就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].start |
6675 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].end |
6677 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].text |
提供主動的申報的這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].start |
6679 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].end |
6681 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].text |
標準可能這個必須要有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].start |
6681 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].end |
6683 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].text |
科學上面的一些判定跟依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].start |
6683 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].end |
6685 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].text |
來規範我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].start |
6685 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].end |
6687 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].text |
粗油是不是要定定標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].start |
6687 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].end |
6689 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].text |
我想這個也是目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].start |
6689 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].end |
6691 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].text |
所有社會大眾的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].start |
6691 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].end |
6693 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].text |
那也是我們政府官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].start |
6693 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].end |
6695 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].text |
的部分一直在努力的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].start |
6695 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].end |
6697 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].text |
好那江署長要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].start |
6699 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].end |
6701 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].text |
我說粗油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].start |
6701 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].end |
6703 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].text |
如果練一次練不成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].start |
6703 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].end |
6705 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].text |
練兩次練兩次練不成練三次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].start |
6705 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].end |
6707 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].text |
只要練到的是2pp |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].start |
6707 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].end |
6709 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].text |
以下這才是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].start |
6709 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].end |
6711 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].text |
一個符合科學精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].start |
6711 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].end |
6713 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].text |
可是練一次練兩次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].start |
6713 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].end |
6715 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].text |
成本差很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].start |
6715 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].end |
6717 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].text |
但是呢保障民眾食安安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].start |
6717 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].end |
6719 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].text |
小一點pvp的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].start |
6719 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].end |
6721 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].text |
這是國家政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].start |
6721 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].end |
6723 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].text |
以及法律的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].start |
6723 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].end |
6725 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].text |
所以剛才提到的中間要定多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].start |
6725 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].end |
6727 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].text |
其實不是重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].start |
6727 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].end |
6729 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].text |
是我要出去的時候是要多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].start |
6729 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].end |
6731 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].text |
如果中間是多到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].start |
6731 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].end |
6733 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].text |
那請問訂出來的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].start |
6733 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].end |
6735 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].text |
之後14.7pp要做什麼用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].start |
6735 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].end |
6737 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].text |
中間不會訂就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].start |
6737 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].end |
6739 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].text |
我的意思說還可以討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].start |
6739 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].end |
6741 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].text |
但是訂14.7pp訂出來然後勒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].start |
6741 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].end |
6743 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].text |
然後就認真練啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].start |
6743 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].end |
6745 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].text |
練到精油可以小於2ppp才是方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].start |
6745 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].end |
6747 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].text |
我知道啊那問題是就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].start |
6747 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].end |
6749 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].text |
所以訂這個標準的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].start |
6749 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].end |
6751 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].text |
是不是大小廠都有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].start |
6751 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].end |
6753 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].text |
這個件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].start |
6753 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].end |
6755 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].text |
要去驗中間的原油廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].start |
6755 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].end |
6757 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].text |
驗出來我們覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].start |
6757 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].end |
6759 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].text |
他是HACP |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].start |
6759 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].end |
6761 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].text |
裡面的一個重要的觀測點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].start |
6761 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].end |
6763 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].text |
決定你後續要怎麼練 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].start |
6763 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].end |
6765 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].text |
因為一般練 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].start |
6765 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].end |
6767 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].text |
可以練降低88% |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].start |
6767 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].end |
6769 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].text |
從 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].start |
6769 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].end |
6771 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].text |
脫酸脫色脫臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].start |
6771 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].end |
6773 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].text |
可以到88% |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].start |
6773 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].end |
6775 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].text |
如果加上我們的活性碳 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].start |
6775 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].end |
6777 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].text |
可以更高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].start |
6777 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].end |
6779 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].text |
所以這個是一個點讓你知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].start |
6779 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].end |
6781 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].text |
know how |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].start |
6781 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].end |
6783 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].text |
接下來要怎麼做下去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].start |
6783 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].end |
6785 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].text |
如果你訂了一個標準是一個國家要去裁罰的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].start |
6785 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].end |
6787 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].text |
這批油決定要把丟掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].start |
6787 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].end |
6789 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].text |
或者是不能夠成為人類 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].start |
6789 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].end |
6791 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].text |
使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].start |
6791 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].end |
6793 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].text |
那個是反科學的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].start |
6793 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].end |
6795 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].text |
如果我們要清楚了他是有方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].start |
6795 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].end |
6797 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].text |
可以下來可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].start |
6797 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].end |
6799 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].text |
練下來所以我們一定要讓各個廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].start |
6799 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].end |
6801 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].text |
訂出來的標準作業流程的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].start |
6801 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].end |
6803 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].text |
能夠達到這樣的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].start |
6803 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].end |
6805 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].text |
以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].start |
6805 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].end |
6807 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].text |
的結果就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].start |
6807 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].end |
6809 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].text |
盡可能的把它降到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].start |
6809 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].end |
6811 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].text |
合理的低 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].start |
6811 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].end |
6813 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].text |
2ppv以上這是我們所要努力的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].start |
6813 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].end |
6815 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].text |
因為我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].start |
6815 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].end |
6817 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].text |
提到了因為台糖過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].start |
6817 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].end |
6819 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].text |
在食品的管控上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].start |
6819 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].end |
6821 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].text |
一向是受到大家的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].start |
6821 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].end |
6823 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].text |
就是重視以及尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].start |
6823 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].end |
6825 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].text |
當然我們希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].start |
6825 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].end |
6827 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].text |
台糖的食品安全的監測計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].start |
6827 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].end |
6829 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].text |
是不是能夠提到最高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].start |
6829 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].end |
6831 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].text |
等級因為這樣子也 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].start |
6831 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].end |
6833 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].text |
符合就是說國營事業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].start |
6833 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].end |
6835 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].text |
相關的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].start |
6835 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].end |
6837 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].text |
能夠受到民眾的信賴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].start |
6837 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].end |
6839 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].text |
那這個部分有沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].start |
6839 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].end |
6841 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].text |
就油品的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].start |
6841 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].end |
6843 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].text |
本署一定會積極的輔導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].start |
6843 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].end |
6845 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].text |
協助台糖在油片裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].start |
6845 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].end |
6847 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].text |
發揮這個效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].start |
6847 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].end |
6849 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].text |
他是國營企業是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].start |
6849 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].end |
6851 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].text |
能夠讓他的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].start |
6851 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].end |
6853 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].text |
安全監控的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].start |
6853 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].end |
6855 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].text |
能夠提到最高的等級 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].start |
6855 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].end |
6857 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].text |
是那台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].start |
6857 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].end |
6859 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].text |
我剛剛也報告台糖公司是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].start |
6859 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].end |
6861 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].text |
用最嚴格的方式在訂定我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].start |
6861 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].end |
6863 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].text |
標準收入流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].start |
6863 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].end |
6865 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].text |
所以我們對於原料的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].start |
6865 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].end |
6867 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].text |
我們自己的採購標準也定得非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].start |
6867 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].end |
6869 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].text |
嚴格那我想這個部分是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].start |
6869 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].end |
6871 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].text |
問題的所以沒有問題是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].start |
6871 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].end |
6873 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].text |
好那希望說未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].start |
6873 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].end |
6875 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].text |
我們能夠提高我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].start |
6875 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].end |
6877 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].text |
台糖的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].start |
6877 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].end |
6879 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].text |
食用油的還有就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].start |
6879 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].end |
6881 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].text |
的各項的食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].start |
6881 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].end |
6883 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].text |
的監測計畫到最高等級讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].start |
6883 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].end |
6885 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].text |
民眾都可以安心好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].start |
6885 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].end |
6887 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].text |
好謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].start |
6887 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].end |
6889 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].text |
好謝謝謝鳳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].start |
6889 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].end |
6891 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].text |
謝謝部長署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].start |
6891 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].end |
6893 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].start |
6893 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].end |
6895 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].text |
接下來有請陳昭之委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].start |
6895 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].end |
6897 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].text |
質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].start |
6901 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].end |
6903 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].start |
6903 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].end |
6905 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].text |
有請經濟部公部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].start |
6905 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].end |
6907 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].text |
台糖副總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].start |
6907 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].end |
6909 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].text |
蔡副總經理還有食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].start |
6909 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].end |
6911 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].text |
江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].start |
6911 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].end |
6913 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].text |
有請經濟部食藥署跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].start |
6913 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].end |
6915 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].text |
台糖 蔡副總經理好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].start |
6915 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].end |
6917 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].text |
大家好 三位署長好我先 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].start |
6917 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].end |
6919 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].text |
請教這個這個江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].start |
6919 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].end |
6921 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].text |
因為我剛進來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].start |
6921 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].end |
6923 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].text |
我聽到您講了一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].start |
6923 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].end |
6925 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].text |
您說好像 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].start |
6925 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].end |
6927 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].text |
食藥署的工作同仁都非常的辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].start |
6927 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].end |
6929 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].text |
這個我相信也是遇到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].start |
6929 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].end |
6931 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].text |
這麼大的事情可是大家都 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].start |
6931 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].end |
6933 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].text |
沒有譴責台中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].start |
6933 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].end |
6935 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].text |
如果我沒有聽錯的話那 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].start |
6935 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].end |
6937 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].text |
石處長你這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].start |
6937 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].end |
6939 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].text |
江署長你有點失憶喔在案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].start |
6939 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].end |
6941 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].text |
案發的時候第一次在委員會質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].start |
6941 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].end |
6943 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].text |
而且我接著的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].start |
6943 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].end |
6945 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].text |
專題報告我也繼續在談一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].start |
6945 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].end |
6947 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].text |
的問題我剛開始就告訴你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].start |
6947 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].end |
6949 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].text |
為什麼因為中聯有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].start |
6949 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].end |
6951 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].text |
很大的問題他先出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].start |
6951 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].end |
6953 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].text |
再檢驗我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].start |
6953 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].end |
6955 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].text |
一直問可以這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].start |
6955 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].end |
6957 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].text |
有人先賣出去再來檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].start |
6957 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].end |
6959 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].text |
但你們沒有人敢回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].start |
6959 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].end |
6961 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].text |
然後你們大部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].start |
6961 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].end |
6963 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].text |
而且我一直在問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].start |
6963 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].end |
6965 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].text |
中聯有同批流樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].start |
6965 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].end |
6967 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].text |
的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].start |
6967 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].end |
6969 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].text |
但是一次檢驗1.6一次檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].start |
6969 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].end |
6971 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].text |
4點多一次檢驗8點多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].start |
6971 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].end |
6973 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].text |
發生什麼事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].start |
6973 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].end |
6975 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].text |
我當時就鎖定是檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].start |
6975 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].end |
6977 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].text |
當中出了問題檢驗分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].start |
6977 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].end |
6979 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].text |
兩個步驟一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].start |
6979 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].end |
6981 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].text |
是取樣一個是檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].start |
6981 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].end |
6983 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].text |
取樣誰去取樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].start |
6983 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].end |
6985 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].text |
是誰取樣取樣有沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].start |
6985 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].end |
6987 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].text |
檢驗有沒有作弊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].start |
6987 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].end |
6989 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].text |
是不是一直驗驗到不合格才可 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].start |
6989 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].end |
6991 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].text |
把報告交出來我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].start |
6991 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].end |
6993 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].text |
一直鎖定這幾個點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].start |
6993 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].end |
6995 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].text |
但是部長跟你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].start |
6995 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].end |
6997 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].text |
那天我主責就是要問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].start |
6997 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].end |
6999 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].text |
部長一直把罪推到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].start |
6999 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].end |
7001 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].text |
南僑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].start |
7001 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].end |
7003 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].text |
如果不是今天南僑半個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].start |
7003 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].end |
7005 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].text |
吹哨人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].start |
7005 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].end |
7007 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].text |
能夠把這個事情揭發出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].start |
7007 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].end |
7009 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].text |
今天大家都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].start |
7009 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].end |
7011 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].text |
不知道為什麼死的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].start |
7013 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].end |
7015 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].text |
所以您是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].start |
7015 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].end |
7017 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].text |
學者我要跟你講流行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].start |
7017 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].end |
7019 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].text |
病學你也知道我現在已經不相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].start |
7019 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].end |
7021 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].text |
台灣的流行病學了流行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].start |
7021 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].end |
7023 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].text |
病學是告訴我們生活的情態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].start |
7023 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].end |
7025 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].text |
我們吃的食物我們生活的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].start |
7025 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].end |
7027 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].text |
怎麼樣決定我們的健康狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].start |
7027 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].end |
7029 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].text |
但是我們現在都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].start |
7029 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].end |
7031 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].text |
空氣污染也許不是你的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].start |
7031 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].end |
7033 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].text |
但是食物裡面我們當 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].start |
7033 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].end |
7035 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].text |
做它是健康的食物結果它是有毒的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].start |
7035 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].end |
7037 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].text |
所以署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].start |
7037 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].end |
7039 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].text |
您剛剛在講是不公平的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].start |
7039 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].end |
7041 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].text |
我一直在抓中聯結果現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].start |
7041 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].end |
7043 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].text |
中聯的人就被收押進建了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].start |
7043 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].end |
7045 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].text |
可見當時我一抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].start |
7045 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].end |
7047 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].text |
就抓中聯因為那是我的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].start |
7047 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].end |
7049 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].text |
謝謝委員委員非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].start |
7049 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].end |
7051 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].text |
專業對剛才提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].start |
7051 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].end |
7053 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].text |
油腺脈後驗這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].start |
7053 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].end |
7055 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].text |
我想過去我們檢驗的週期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].start |
7055 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].end |
7057 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].text |
跟檢驗的頻率也是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].start |
7057 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].end |
7059 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].text |
這次修法的重點在所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].start |
7059 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].end |
7061 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].text |
自主檢驗第一期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].start |
7061 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].end |
7063 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].text |
請等一下署長請等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].start |
7063 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].end |
7065 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].text |
當時沒有錯部長跟你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].start |
7065 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].end |
7067 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].text |
然後一直在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].start |
7067 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].end |
7069 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].text |
這個總質詢的時候這個部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].start |
7069 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].end |
7071 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].text |
還講一樣他說每六個月檢查一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].start |
7071 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].end |
7073 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].text |
我想請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].start |
7073 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].end |
7075 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].text |
每六個月總有第一次嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].start |
7075 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].end |
7077 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].text |
有了第一次才有六個月後嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].start |
7077 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].end |
7079 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].text |
請問那第一次發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].start |
7079 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].end |
7081 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].text |
發生在什麼時候你知道小朋友打這個B肝疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].start |
7081 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].end |
7083 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].text |
出生打一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].start |
7083 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].end |
7085 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].text |
六個月後再打一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].start |
7085 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].end |
7087 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].text |
每六個月這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].start |
7087 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].end |
7089 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].text |
這個頻率也許可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].start |
7089 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].end |
7091 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].text |
但不知道也許要改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].start |
7091 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].end |
7093 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].text |
但總有第一次嘛第一次是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].start |
7093 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].end |
7095 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].text |
時候每個第一次是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].start |
7095 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].end |
7097 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].text |
買進來驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].start |
7097 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].end |
7099 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].text |
交出去驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].start |
7099 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].end |
7101 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].text |
如果大家都把這個工作做好今天會出問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].start |
7101 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].end |
7103 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].text |
收大到的時候驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].start |
7103 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].end |
7105 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].text |
合不合格我賣給人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].start |
7105 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].end |
7107 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].text |
驗一次這個是非常基本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].start |
7107 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].end |
7109 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].text |
的常識啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].start |
7109 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].end |
7111 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].text |
謝謝委員這樣的執政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].start |
7111 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].end |
7113 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].text |
也是其實在修法裡面大家共同的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].start |
7113 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].end |
7115 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].text |
那如果用我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].start |
7115 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].end |
7117 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].text |
批次來檢驗這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].start |
7117 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].end |
7119 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].text |
其實大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].start |
7119 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].end |
7121 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].text |
你回去告訴不要再講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].start |
7121 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].end |
7123 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].text |
我們的頻率原來是六個月是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].start |
7123 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].end |
7125 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].text |
我們法你們不好要再做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].start |
7125 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].end |
7127 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].text |
總有零次多第一次嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].start |
7127 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].end |
7129 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].text |
你不是等到都外光了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].start |
7129 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].end |
7131 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].text |
才會有六個月才驗嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].start |
7131 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].end |
7133 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].text |
跟委員報告是用批次裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].start |
7133 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].end |
7135 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].text |
我們這次後來看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].start |
7135 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].end |
7137 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].text |
我們很勇敢的跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].start |
7137 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].end |
7139 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].text |
委員講我們後來看到他驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].start |
7139 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].end |
7141 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].text |
出去後來去驗了30批 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].start |
7141 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].end |
7143 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].text |
用的是黃金檢體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].start |
7143 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].end |
7145 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].text |
也是被我們抓出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].start |
7145 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].end |
7147 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].text |
所以他並不是那麼那麼的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].start |
7147 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].end |
7149 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].text |
守法的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].start |
7149 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].end |
7151 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].text |
中年就是用同一批最棒的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].start |
7151 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].end |
7153 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].text |
就是樣本有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].start |
7153 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].end |
7155 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].text |
然後拿去檢驗每次檢驗都合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].start |
7155 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].end |
7157 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].text |
都棒的不得了請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].start |
7157 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].end |
7159 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].text |
我想請問台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].start |
7159 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].end |
7161 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].text |
的副總無奶人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].start |
7161 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].end |
7163 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].text |
欠台糖1.7億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].start |
7163 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].end |
7165 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].text |
那是我們的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].start |
7165 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].end |
7167 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].text |
那歲人錢被管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].start |
7167 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].end |
7169 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].text |
12天而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].start |
7169 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].end |
7171 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].text |
我兒子可以免教召的他此刻 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].start |
7171 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].end |
7173 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].text |
在教召中因為他的孩子才 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].start |
7173 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].end |
7175 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].text |
1歲多他兩次免教召 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].start |
7175 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].end |
7177 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].text |
無奶人被管收12天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].start |
7177 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].end |
7179 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].text |
而已1毛錢都沒有還之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].start |
7179 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].end |
7181 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].text |
台糖竟然就 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].start |
7181 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].end |
7183 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].text |
當庭撤回管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].start |
7183 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].end |
7185 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].text |
放他出來逍遙他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].start |
7185 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].end |
7187 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].text |
出來有沒有逍遙大家都看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].start |
7187 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].end |
7189 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].text |
無奶人說絕對會還錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].start |
7189 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].end |
7191 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].text |
他還加了一句 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].start |
7191 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].end |
7193 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].text |
巴金森市政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].start |
7193 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].end |
7195 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].text |
請你們要這個理由的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].start |
7195 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].end |
7197 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].text |
每個人拿出醫師證明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].start |
7197 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].end |
7199 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].text |
巴金森市政不是你說了算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].start |
7199 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].end |
7201 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].text |
但是大概出來逍遙大家都看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].start |
7201 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].end |
7203 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].text |
無奶人說絕對會還錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].start |
7203 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].end |
7205 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].text |
而且說7月22號前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].start |
7205 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].end |
7207 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].text |
會協商提出還款計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].start |
7207 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].end |
7209 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].text |
好我現在要請台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].start |
7209 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].end |
7211 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].text |
不要迴避清楚的告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].start |
7211 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].end |
7213 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].text |
7月16號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].start |
7213 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].end |
7215 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].text |
無奶人提出什麼還款計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].start |
7215 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].end |
7217 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].text |
他提出什麼樣的還款計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].start |
7217 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].end |
7219 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].text |
多久還一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].start |
7219 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].end |
7221 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].text |
一次還多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].start |
7221 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].end |
7223 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].text |
這不是機密啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].start |
7223 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].end |
7225 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].text |
他欠的是公款啊公糖啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].start |
7225 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].end |
7227 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].text |
是各位委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].start |
7227 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].end |
7229 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].text |
因為7月16號協商的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].start |
7229 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].end |
7231 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].text |
就是對方沒有提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].start |
7231 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].end |
7233 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].text |
比較明確可我們台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].start |
7233 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].end |
7235 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].text |
可以接受的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].start |
7235 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].end |
7237 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].text |
所以我們還會繼續再協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].start |
7237 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].end |
7239 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].text |
你要繼續協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].start |
7239 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].end |
7241 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].text |
那為什麼放他走呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].start |
7241 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].end |
7243 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].text |
為什麼放他走呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].start |
7243 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].end |
7245 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].text |
當時在管收的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].start |
7245 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].end |
7247 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].text |
因為我們認為管收的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].start |
7247 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].end |
7249 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].text |
只是要請他出來還錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].start |
7249 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].end |
7251 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].text |
因為我們歷次好幾次法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].start |
7251 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].end |
7253 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].text |
管收的目的要他還錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].start |
7253 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].end |
7255 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].text |
那請問這個案子已經60年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].start |
7255 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].end |
7257 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].text |
第一個我要跟你計較時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].start |
7257 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].end |
7259 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].text |
你是讓他有多少時間把台糖都脫光光了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].start |
7259 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].end |
7261 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].start |
7261 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].end |
7263 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].text |
目的要還錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].start |
7263 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].end |
7265 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].text |
那你怎麼知道他要還錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].start |
7265 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].end |
7267 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].text |
你怎麼放他走 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].start |
7267 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].end |
7269 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].text |
你們的台糖訴訟團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].start |
7269 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].end |
7271 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].text |
認為無奶人提出的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].start |
7271 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].end |
7273 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].text |
實在太少了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].start |
7273 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].end |
7275 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].text |
看不到任何誠意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].start |
7275 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].end |
7277 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].text |
所以7月16號協商破局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].start |
7277 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].end |
7279 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].text |
那你現在怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].start |
7279 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].end |
7281 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].text |
你的目的是要還錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].start |
7281 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].end |
7283 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].text |
現在呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].start |
7283 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].end |
7285 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].text |
現在是放他走目的是放他走 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].start |
7285 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].end |
7287 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].text |
不管任何理由就放他走 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].start |
7287 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].end |
7289 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].text |
他說有病就有病 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].start |
7289 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].end |
7291 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].text |
他說他要還錢你就相信他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].start |
7291 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].end |
7293 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].text |
放他走是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].start |
7293 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].end |
7295 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].text |
沒有跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].start |
7295 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].end |
7297 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].text |
這個案子在99年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].start |
7297 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].end |
7299 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].text |
我們就已經向無奶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].start |
7299 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].end |
7301 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].text |
申請假扣要所有無奶人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].start |
7301 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].end |
7303 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].text |
所有的財產 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].start |
7303 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].end |
7305 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].text |
那從99年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].start |
7305 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].end |
7307 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].text |
這個假扣要開始到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].start |
7307 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].end |
7309 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].text |
109年這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].start |
7309 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].end |
7311 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].text |
申請定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].start |
7311 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].end |
7313 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].text |
就開始追償了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].start |
7313 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].end |
7315 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].text |
你現在在講99年案發的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].start |
7315 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].end |
7317 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].text |
你現在才在處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].start |
7317 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].end |
7319 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].text |
一個管收也找不到人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].start |
7319 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].end |
7321 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].text |
大家都找不到人只有你找不到人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].start |
7321 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].end |
7323 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].text |
我現在問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].start |
7323 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].end |
7325 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].text |
你們1.7一毛錢都沒有拿回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].start |
7325 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].end |
7327 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].text |
這是我們大家的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].start |
7327 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].end |
7329 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].text |
2300萬的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].start |
7329 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].end |
7331 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].text |
有收回3900多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].start |
7333 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].end |
7335 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].text |
那你就告訴我他的還款計畫是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].start |
7335 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].end |
7337 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].text |
總共收回3900多萬嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].start |
7337 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].end |
7339 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].text |
對到目前為止總共 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].start |
7339 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].end |
7341 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].text |
收回3900多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].start |
7341 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].end |
7343 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].text |
無奶人的部分是收回750萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].start |
7343 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].end |
7345 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].text |
無奶人才交回750萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].start |
7345 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].end |
7347 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].text |
但是你總共要收回1.7億 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].start |
7347 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].end |
7349 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].text |
對這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].start |
7349 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].end |
7351 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].text |
那你秀出來給我們看你的還款計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].start |
7351 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].end |
7353 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].text |
是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].start |
7353 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].end |
7355 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].text |
跟委員報告因為雙方協商還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].start |
7355 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].end |
7357 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].text |
如果協商定案之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].start |
7357 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].end |
7359 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].text |
我今天有看到許淑華 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].start |
7359 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].end |
7361 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].text |
這個迷你書寫的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].start |
7361 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].end |
7363 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].text |
那個還款案喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].start |
7363 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].end |
7365 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].text |
搞不好你們也是這樣做喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].start |
7365 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].end |
7367 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].text |
一開始還一點點還一點點還一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].start |
7367 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].end |
7369 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].text |
後來還很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].start |
7369 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].end |
7371 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].text |
不是剛A錢的時候最有錢嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].start |
7371 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].end |
7373 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].text |
錢還沒有處理好的時候你們不處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].start |
7373 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].end |
7375 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].text |
然後只還一點點一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].start |
7375 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].end |
7377 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].text |
然後打算不還了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].start |
7377 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].end |
7379 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].text |
不會這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].start |
7379 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].end |
7381 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].text |
台南公司處理這個案子一定是會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].start |
7381 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].end |
7383 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].text |
窮盡所有的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].start |
7383 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].end |
7385 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].text |
無奶人擺明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].start |
7385 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].end |
7387 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].text |
玩弄司法啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].start |
7387 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].end |
7389 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].text |
玩弄台糖啊全民當白痴啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].start |
7389 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].end |
7391 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].text |
你知道網友怎麼說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].start |
7391 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].end |
7393 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].text |
一般的人簽電話費現水電費 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].start |
7393 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].end |
7395 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].text |
馬上就被停水停電 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].start |
7395 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].end |
7397 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].text |
一直被吹 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].start |
7397 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].end |
7399 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].text |
無奶人簽1.7億還可以到健身房 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].start |
7399 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].end |
7401 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].text |
我這輩子都沒上過健身房 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].start |
7401 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].end |
7403 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].text |
逍遙法外吃好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].start |
7403 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].end |
7405 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].text |
吃好喝好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].start |
7405 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].end |
7407 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].text |
那你這債務協商做什麼用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].start |
7407 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].end |
7409 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].text |
債務協商當然是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].start |
7409 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].end |
7411 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].text |
請他提出合理的清償計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].start |
7411 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].end |
7413 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].text |
如果說無奶人他提出來的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].start |
7413 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].end |
7415 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].text |
台糖公司不接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].start |
7415 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].end |
7417 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].text |
副總你知不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].start |
7417 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].end |
7419 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].text |
連孫道純這個生意人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].start |
7419 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].end |
7421 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].text |
他當時欠了1.2億 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].start |
7421 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].end |
7423 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].text |
他要賣管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].start |
7423 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].end |
7425 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].text |
他就錢都還光了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].start |
7425 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].end |
7427 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].text |
你應該記得這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].start |
7427 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].end |
7429 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].text |
我們當然希望無奶人能夠把錢都還了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].start |
7429 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].end |
7431 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].text |
那就是因為無奶人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].start |
7431 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].end |
7433 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].text |
你有把柄的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].start |
7433 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].end |
7435 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].text |
你有籌碼的時候你去放他走 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].start |
7435 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].end |
7437 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].start |
7437 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].end |
7439 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].text |
不是這個意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].start |
7439 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].end |
7441 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].text |
如果無奶人還是沒有提出合理的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].start |
7441 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].end |
7443 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].text |
我們還是會收錢管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].start |
7443 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].end |
7445 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].text |
副總當初說你目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].start |
7445 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].end |
7447 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].text |
你剛剛也講了一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].start |
7447 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].end |
7449 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].text |
要收回欠款所以撤回管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].start |
7449 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].end |
7451 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].text |
這個邏輯你去問你兒子跟孫子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].start |
7451 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].end |
7453 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].text |
因為我們要他還錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].start |
7453 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].end |
7455 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].text |
所以我們就撤回讓他回家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].start |
7455 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].end |
7457 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].start |
7457 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].end |
7459 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].text |
他回家還要自己親自到銀行去領錢嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].start |
7459 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].end |
7461 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].text |
你這個邏輯非常奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].start |
7461 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].end |
7463 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].text |
結果到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].start |
7463 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].end |
7465 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].text |
證實我們是對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].start |
7465 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].end |
7467 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].text |
你一塊錢都拿不回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].start |
7467 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].end |
7469 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].text |
你為什麼不等他先還錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].start |
7469 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].end |
7471 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].text |
再放他回家呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].start |
7471 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].end |
7473 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].text |
我到今天沒有辦法理解這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].start |
7473 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].end |
7475 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].start |
7475 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].end |
7477 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].text |
你目的就是說要他還錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].start |
7477 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].end |
7479 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].text |
但是他沒有還一塊錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].start |
7479 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].end |
7481 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].text |
你就讓他回家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].start |
7481 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].end |
7483 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].start |
7483 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].end |
7485 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].text |
因為當時他的律師是希望遞� IAOA |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].start |
7485 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].end |
7487 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].text |
因為法院禁止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].start |
7487 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].end |
7489 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].text |
那律師是希望說能夠跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].start |
7489 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].end |
7491 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].text |
無奶人來當面講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].start |
7491 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].end |
7493 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].text |
之後才能提出比較合理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].start |
7493 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].end |
7495 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].text |
還款計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].start |
7495 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].end |
7497 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].text |
好 副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].start |
7497 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].end |
7499 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].text |
是誰叫你們當庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].start |
7499 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].end |
7501 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].text |
撤回管修的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].start |
7501 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].end |
7503 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].text |
是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].start |
7503 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].end |
7505 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].text |
是當時我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].start |
7505 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].end |
7507 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].text |
代理人他所做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].start |
7507 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].end |
7509 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].text |
代理人是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].start |
7509 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].end |
7511 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].text |
代理人是我們公司的湯董事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].start |
7511 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].end |
7513 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].text |
湯董事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].start |
7513 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].end |
7515 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].text |
湯董事敢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].start |
7515 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].end |
7517 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].text |
要他當庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].start |
7517 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].end |
7519 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].text |
撤回管修 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].start |
7519 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].end |
7521 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].text |
你現在有名字了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].start |
7521 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].end |
7523 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].text |
叫你撤回管修的是湯董事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].start |
7523 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].end |
7525 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].text |
湯董事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].start |
7525 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].end |
7527 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].text |
你公開把他名字講出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].start |
7527 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].end |
7529 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].text |
他是公司委託我們的董事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].start |
7529 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].end |
7531 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].text |
他具有三十多年的律師經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].start |
7531 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].end |
7533 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].text |
所以他是當庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].start |
7533 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].end |
7535 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].text |
律師經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].start |
7535 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].end |
7537 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].text |
你委託他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].start |
7537 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].end |
7539 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].text |
代理訴訟嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].start |
7539 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].end |
7541 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].text |
有律師決定不用跟董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].start |
7541 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].end |
7543 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].text |
跟總經理討論嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].start |
7545 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].end |
7547 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].text |
這部分是當時公司有授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].start |
7547 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].end |
7549 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].text |
授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].start |
7549 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].end |
7551 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].text |
你公然跟全民為敵 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].start |
7551 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].end |
7553 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].text |
下一步動作是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].start |
7553 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].end |
7555 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].text |
你現在沒有來回錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].start |
7555 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].end |
7557 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].text |
要不要再申請管修 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].start |
7557 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].end |
7559 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].text |
你再管修總共可以幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].start |
7559 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].end |
7561 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].text |
你兩倍一次了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].start |
7561 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].end |
7563 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].text |
你總共可以幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].start |
7565 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].end |
7567 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].text |
兩次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].start |
7567 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].end |
7569 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].text |
你現在要不要再把他管修 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].start |
7569 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].end |
7571 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].text |
錢沒有回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].start |
7571 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].end |
7573 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].text |
如果他沒有提出合理的清掌計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].start |
7573 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].end |
7575 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].text |
我們還是會申請管修 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].start |
7575 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].end |
7577 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].text |
他就沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].start |
7577 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].end |
7579 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].text |
不然你今天就給我們看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].start |
7579 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].end |
7581 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].text |
因為7月16號 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].start |
7581 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].end |
7583 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].text |
他提出來我們不滿意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].start |
7583 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].end |
7585 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].text |
所以台湯公司有再特別請他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].start |
7585 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].end |
7587 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].text |
要提出合理的清掌計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].start |
7587 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].end |
7589 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].text |
我給你用常識想一想 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].start |
7589 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].end |
7591 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].text |
放了二十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].start |
7591 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].end |
7593 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].text |
現在要管修撤回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].start |
7593 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].end |
7595 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].text |
吃的好穿的好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].start |
7595 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].end |
7597 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].text |
在外面過的優惠的生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].start |
7597 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].end |
7599 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].text |
請同學談5月15號你取得報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].start |
7599 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].end |
7601 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].text |
得知Bandle Pirate燒標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].start |
7601 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].end |
7603 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].text |
你有沒有報告經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].start |
7603 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].end |
7605 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].text |
廣布黨你有收到這個訊息嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].start |
7605 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].end |
7607 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].text |
他有報告經濟部嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].start |
7609 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].end |
7611 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].text |
他不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].start |
7611 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].end |
7613 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].text |
廣布黨我給你討論一個邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].start |
7613 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].end |
7615 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].text |
需不需要是一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].start |
7615 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].end |
7617 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].text |
我現在不問需不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].start |
7617 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].end |
7619 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].text |
我也不需要你們講的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].start |
7619 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].end |
7621 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].text |
隨便去解釋的依法通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].start |
7621 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].end |
7623 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].text |
請問他有沒有通知告報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].start |
7623 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].end |
7625 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].text |
你沒有收到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].start |
7625 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].end |
7627 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].text |
你沒有收到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].start |
7627 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].end |
7629 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].text |
所以台湯沒有通告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].start |
7629 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].end |
7631 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].text |
通報上級長官 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].start |
7631 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].end |
7633 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].text |
他不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].start |
7633 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].end |
7635 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].text |
廣布黨我講的是兩件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].start |
7635 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].end |
7637 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].text |
需不需要是一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].start |
7637 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].end |
7639 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].text |
在專業良知上責任上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].start |
7639 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].end |
7641 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].text |
是另外一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].start |
7641 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].end |
7643 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].text |
請問台湯5月15號發言過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].start |
7643 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].end |
7645 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].text |
有沒有通報地方衛生主管機關食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].start |
7645 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].end |
7647 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].text |
各位我們報告沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].start |
7647 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].end |
7649 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].text |
你每一項都沒有就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].start |
7649 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].end |
7651 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].text |
因為他這個不是通報現在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].start |
7651 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].end |
7653 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].text |
食安法規定所要通報的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].start |
7653 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].end |
7655 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].text |
他不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].start |
7655 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].end |
7657 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].text |
這個食安法很多專家都有見解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].start |
7657 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].end |
7659 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].text |
有法學背景都有見解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].start |
7659 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].end |
7661 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].text |
你說安全都沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].start |
7661 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].end |
7663 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].text |
那就是白人生不完 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].start |
7663 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].end |
7665 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].text |
你看到不合格的白人生不完 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].start |
7665 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].end |
7667 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].text |
大家不夠什麼安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].start |
7667 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].end |
7669 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].text |
台湯是國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].start |
7669 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].end |
7671 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].text |
我們採購的不是最後的食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].start |
7671 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].end |
7673 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].text |
我們採購的是出油是一個中間的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].start |
7673 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].end |
7675 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].text |
今天你已經到這個程度了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].start |
7675 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].end |
7677 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].text |
全部的人都在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].start |
7677 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].end |
7679 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].text |
我有沒有合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].start |
7679 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].end |
7681 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].text |
我也對外部部長說你只要淪落到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].start |
7681 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].end |
7683 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].text |
我有沒有違反哪一條法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].start |
7683 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].end |
7685 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].text |
我們不只是要他合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].start |
7685 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].end |
7687 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].text |
我們包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].start |
7687 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].end |
7689 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].text |
我們現在所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].start |
7689 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].end |
7691 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].text |
大豆沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].start |
7691 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].end |
7693 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].text |
跟他的相關的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].start |
7693 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].end |
7695 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].text |
我們還是讓他下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].start |
7695 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].end |
7697 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].text |
你現在已經出事了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].start |
7697 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].end |
7699 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].text |
你現在就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].start |
7699 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].end |
7701 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].text |
你當時看到了這麼危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].start |
7701 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].end |
7703 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].text |
而且是最高7點多倍的鈔票 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].start |
7703 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].end |
7705 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].text |
你什麼都沒做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].start |
7705 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].end |
7707 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].text |
也沒有報告經濟部也沒有報告食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].start |
7707 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].end |
7709 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].text |
也沒有報告地方衛生主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].start |
7709 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].end |
7711 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].text |
對嗎我這樣講有問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].start |
7711 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].end |
7713 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].text |
可能社會大眾有誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].start |
7713 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].end |
7715 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].text |
沒有所謂的7點多倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].start |
7715 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].end |
7717 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].text |
那我現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].start |
7717 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].end |
7719 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].text |
因為部長也這樣說你們沒有通報意外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].start |
7719 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].end |
7721 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].text |
你就大聲說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].start |
7721 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].end |
7723 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].text |
我沒有台糖沒有通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].start |
7723 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].end |
7725 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].text |
你就這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].start |
7725 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].end |
7727 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].text |
依照現在的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].start |
7727 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].end |
7729 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].text |
台糖沒有通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].start |
7729 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].end |
7731 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].text |
台糖只負責賺錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].start |
7731 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].end |
7733 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].text |
台糖只負責用我們的納稅錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].start |
7733 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].end |
7735 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].text |
所以人家欠了也不要回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].start |
7735 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].end |
7737 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].text |
然後看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].start |
7737 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].end |
7739 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].text |
看到人家做壞事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].start |
7739 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].end |
7741 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].text |
也都靜靜的不出征 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].start |
7741 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].end |
7743 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].text |
把人家給撕不掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].start |
7743 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].end |
7745 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].text |
不會啦我們不會這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].start |
7745 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].end |
7747 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].start |
7747 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].end |
7749 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].text |
好謝謝陳昭志委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].start |
7749 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].end |
7751 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].text |
昭志委員謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].start |
7751 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].end |
7755 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].text |
好好的接下來我們請王宏威委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].start |
7763 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].end |
7765 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].text |
謝謝主席喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].start |
7765 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].end |
7767 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].text |
我請狗明星部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].start |
7767 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].end |
7769 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].text |
還有台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].start |
7769 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].end |
7771 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].text |
今天是副總主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].start |
7773 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].end |
7775 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].text |
請這個副總跟部長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].start |
7775 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].end |
7777 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].text |
王委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].start |
7777 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].end |
7779 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].text |
副總好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].start |
7779 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].end |
7781 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].text |
剛才陳昭志委員一直在追問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].start |
7781 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].end |
7783 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].text |
7月16日 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].start |
7783 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].end |
7785 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].text |
台糖和無奶人做協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].start |
7785 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].end |
7787 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].text |
最後破局 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].start |
7787 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].end |
7789 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].text |
剛才副總也講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].start |
7789 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].end |
7791 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].text |
因為無奶人所提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].start |
7791 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].end |
7793 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].text |
還款條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].start |
7793 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].end |
7795 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].text |
台糖無法接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].start |
7795 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].end |
7797 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].text |
但是呢副總一直 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].start |
7797 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].end |
7799 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].text |
不敢啟口 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].start |
7799 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].end |
7801 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].text |
到底無奶人提出來的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].start |
7801 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].end |
7803 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].text |
什麼樣的還款條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].start |
7803 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].end |
7805 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].start |
7805 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].end |
7807 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].text |
因為對你們來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].start |
7807 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].end |
7809 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].text |
真的應該是難以啟口 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].start |
7809 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].end |
7811 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].text |
那我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].start |
7811 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].end |
7813 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].text |
問副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].start |
7813 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].end |
7815 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].text |
這件事情既然已經鬧得沸沸揚揚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].start |
7815 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].end |
7817 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].text |
7月16日 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].start |
7817 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].end |
7819 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].text |
我所得到的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].start |
7819 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].end |
7821 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].text |
無奶人方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].start |
7821 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].end |
7823 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].text |
所提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].start |
7823 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].end |
7825 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].text |
還款條件是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].start |
7829 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].end |
7831 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].text |
每一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].start |
7831 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].end |
7833 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].text |
他還5萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].start |
7833 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].end |
7835 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].text |
分期長付 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].start |
7835 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].end |
7837 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].text |
請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].start |
7837 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].end |
7839 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].text |
是不是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].start |
7841 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].end |
7843 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].start |
7843 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].end |
7845 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].text |
據我了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].start |
7845 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].end |
7847 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].text |
跟這個好像不大相符 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].start |
7847 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].end |
7849 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].text |
不大5萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].start |
7849 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].end |
7851 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].text |
因為這個雙方協商還沒有結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].start |
7851 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].end |
7853 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].text |
所以在這個協商內容說實在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].start |
7853 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].end |
7855 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].text |
這時候比較不方便對外來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].start |
7855 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].end |
7857 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].text |
是在5萬塊以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].start |
7857 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].end |
7859 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].text |
還是5萬塊以下呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].start |
7859 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].end |
7861 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].text |
這個還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].start |
7861 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].end |
7863 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].text |
你都到現在都不知道吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].start |
7863 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].end |
7865 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].text |
因為我知道你們台上協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].start |
7865 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].end |
7867 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].text |
之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].start |
7867 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].end |
7869 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].text |
律師嚇壞了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].start |
7869 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].end |
7871 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].text |
完全沒有辦法談下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].start |
7873 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].end |
7875 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].text |
你們一直不對外說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].start |
7875 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].end |
7877 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].text |
到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].start |
7877 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].end |
7879 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].text |
我奶人被你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].start |
7879 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].end |
7881 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].text |
送走之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].start |
7881 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].end |
7883 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].text |
然後他所提出來的還款條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].start |
7883 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].end |
7885 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].text |
是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].start |
7885 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].end |
7887 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].text |
我在這邊聽到台壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].start |
7887 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].end |
7889 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].text |
內部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].start |
7889 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].end |
7891 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].text |
議論紛紛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].start |
7891 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].end |
7893 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].text |
因為無奶人提出來條件實在是太爛了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].start |
7893 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].end |
7895 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].text |
完全沒有任何的誠意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].start |
7897 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].end |
7899 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].text |
按照我所聽到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].start |
7899 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].end |
7901 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].text |
每個月還5萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].start |
7901 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].end |
7903 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].text |
你們現在無奶人是欠你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].start |
7903 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].end |
7905 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].text |
1億7千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].start |
7905 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].end |
7907 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].text |
如果加急利息的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].start |
7907 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].end |
7909 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].text |
按照這個還款計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].start |
7909 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].end |
7911 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].text |
是不是要還300年之久 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].start |
7911 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].end |
7913 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].text |
無奶人現在已經79歲了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].start |
7913 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].end |
7915 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].text |
他要還到379歲嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].start |
7917 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].end |
7919 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].text |
這個當然台上沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].start |
7919 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].end |
7921 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].text |
接受所以破局 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].start |
7921 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].end |
7923 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].text |
所以我現在要講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].start |
7923 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].end |
7925 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].text |
無奶人在你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].start |
7925 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].end |
7927 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].text |
管收撤銷之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].start |
7927 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].end |
7929 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].text |
他所謂的還款計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].start |
7929 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].end |
7931 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].text |
是這麼離譜的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].start |
7931 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].end |
7933 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].text |
一個還款計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].start |
7933 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].end |
7935 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].text |
請問一下台上要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].start |
7935 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].end |
7937 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].text |
重新申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].start |
7937 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].end |
7939 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].text |
給無奶人管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].start |
7939 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].end |
7941 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].text |
要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].start |
7941 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].end |
7943 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].text |
接下來的協商還是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].start |
7943 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].end |
7945 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].text |
你們還要給他協商機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].start |
7945 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].end |
7947 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].text |
什麼時候協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].start |
7947 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].end |
7949 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].text |
大概接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].start |
7949 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].end |
7951 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].text |
8月的下旬應該會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].start |
7951 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].end |
7953 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].text |
雙方會再協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].start |
7953 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].end |
7955 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].text |
8月下旬什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].start |
7955 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].end |
7957 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].text |
雙方的代理人還在搶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].start |
7957 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].end |
7959 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].text |
你們再繼續讓他拖延 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].start |
7959 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].end |
7961 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].text |
當然不是這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].start |
7961 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].end |
7963 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].text |
如果說協商沒有合理的還款計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].start |
7963 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].end |
7965 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].text |
當然台南公司一定會再申請管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].start |
7965 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].end |
7967 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].text |
好等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].start |
7967 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].end |
7969 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].text |
所以你們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].start |
7969 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].end |
7973 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].text |
8月下旬再給無奶人一次機會是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].start |
7973 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].end |
7975 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].text |
目前是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].start |
7975 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].end |
7977 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].text |
雙方的代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].start |
7977 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].end |
7979 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].text |
是僑定大概是8月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].start |
7979 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].end |
7981 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].text |
你不要一直跟我講代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].start |
7981 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].end |
7983 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].text |
欠代理人的錢嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].start |
7983 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].end |
7985 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].text |
欠你台銅的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].start |
7985 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].end |
7987 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].text |
是欠台銅的錢可是雙方的協商代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].start |
7987 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].end |
7989 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].text |
因為雙方的時間還在僑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].start |
7989 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].end |
7991 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].text |
好8月下旬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].start |
7991 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].end |
7993 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].text |
如果8月下旬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].start |
7993 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].end |
7995 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].text |
無奶人沒有辦法提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].start |
7995 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].end |
7997 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].text |
台銅可以接受的還款計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].start |
7997 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].end |
8001 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].text |
台銅就會再度向法院申請管收是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].start |
8001 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].end |
8003 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].text |
是是是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].start |
8003 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].end |
8005 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].text |
確不確定確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].start |
8005 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].end |
8007 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].text |
好來部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].start |
8007 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].end |
8009 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].text |
我請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].start |
8009 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].end |
8011 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].text |
當時台銅 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].start |
8011 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].end |
8013 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].text |
跟法院申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].start |
8013 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].end |
8015 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].text |
撤銷管收請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].start |
8015 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].end |
8017 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].text |
是你受益的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].start |
8017 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].end |
8019 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].text |
不是啊經濟部沒有在管這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].start |
8019 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].end |
8021 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].text |
所以不是你指示的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].start |
8021 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].end |
8023 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].text |
所以是台銅的決定是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].start |
8023 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].end |
8025 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].text |
台銅內部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].start |
8025 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].end |
8027 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].text |
台銅內部怎麼決定我們不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].start |
8027 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].end |
8029 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].text |
你同樣不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].start |
8029 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].end |
8031 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].text |
也沒有事先向你報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].start |
8031 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].end |
8033 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].text |
都不要報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].start |
8033 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].end |
8035 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].text |
你覺得都不用報告就像不用通報一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].start |
8035 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].end |
8037 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].text |
無所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].start |
8037 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].end |
8039 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].text |
因為這個權責是他們的權責 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].start |
8039 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].end |
8041 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].text |
那台銅現在搞到1億7千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].start |
8041 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].end |
8043 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].text |
已經七八年收不回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].start |
8043 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].end |
8045 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].text |
然後搞到現在全社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].start |
8045 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].end |
8047 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].text |
沸沸揚揚完全違反 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].start |
8047 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].end |
8049 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].text |
社會觀感 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].start |
8049 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].end |
8051 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].text |
那部長也覺得台銅做的好好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].start |
8051 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].end |
8053 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].text |
很棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].start |
8053 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].end |
8055 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].text |
我們的想法還是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].start |
8055 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].end |
8057 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].text |
能夠盡量能夠把債權拿回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].start |
8057 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].end |
8059 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].text |
這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].start |
8059 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].end |
8061 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].text |
盡量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].start |
8061 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].end |
8063 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].text |
不一定能把債權拿回來的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].start |
8063 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].end |
8065 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].text |
好那部長我直接問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].start |
8065 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].end |
8067 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].text |
因為你是台銅的頂頭上司 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].start |
8067 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].end |
8069 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].text |
如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].start |
8069 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].end |
8071 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].text |
按照現在無奶圓一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].start |
8071 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].end |
8073 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].text |
只還五萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].start |
8073 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].end |
8075 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].text |
我是台銅我立刻就去申請管收了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].start |
8077 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].end |
8079 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].text |
這是侮辱台銅嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].start |
8079 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].end |
8081 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].text |
是羞辱台銅嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].start |
8081 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].end |
8083 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].text |
你們就是獨職不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].start |
8083 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].end |
8085 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].start |
8085 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].end |
8087 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].text |
若堅是欠你的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].start |
8087 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].end |
8089 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].text |
你還不去申請管收喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].start |
8089 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].end |
8091 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].text |
協商跟談判他有他的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].start |
8091 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].end |
8093 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].text |
跟技巧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].start |
8093 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].end |
8095 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].text |
這個部份我們要尊重台銅公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].start |
8095 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].end |
8097 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].text |
你繼續尊重嗎是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].start |
8097 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].end |
8099 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].text |
所以你不在乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].start |
8099 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].end |
8101 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].text |
不是不在乎啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].start |
8101 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].end |
8103 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].text |
這是尊重他們的談判的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].start |
8103 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].end |
8105 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].text |
做個不好你還繼續尊重喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].start |
8105 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].end |
8107 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].text |
我們講到應該下台啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].start |
8107 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].end |
8109 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].text |
又是董事長又是總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].start |
8109 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].end |
8111 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].text |
今天這麼重要的專案報告說他出國了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].start |
8111 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].end |
8113 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].text |
他只有一個人不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].start |
8113 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].end |
8115 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].text |
董事長也不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].start |
8115 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].end |
8117 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].text |
總經理也不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].start |
8117 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].end |
8119 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].text |
台銅的公司是沒人了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].start |
8119 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].end |
8121 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].text |
你們經濟部沒有人了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].start |
8121 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].end |
8123 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].text |
要由他一個人兼任董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].start |
8123 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].end |
8125 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].text |
跟總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].start |
8125 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].end |
8127 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].text |
報告委員這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].start |
8127 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].end |
8129 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].text |
請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].start |
8129 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].end |
8131 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].text |
撤銷管收的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].start |
8131 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].end |
8133 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].text |
是董事會決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].start |
8133 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].end |
8135 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].text |
還是董事長決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].start |
8135 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].end |
8137 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].text |
還是總經理決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].start |
8137 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].end |
8139 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].text |
這個可能要我幫他回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].start |
8139 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].end |
8141 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].text |
是跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].start |
8141 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].end |
8143 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].text |
因為當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].start |
8143 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].end |
8145 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].text |
公司是受遣這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].start |
8145 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].end |
8147 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].text |
我們的代理人去開庭的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].start |
8147 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].end |
8149 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].text |
那在庭上應法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].start |
8149 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].end |
8151 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].text |
的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].start |
8151 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].end |
8153 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].text |
庭信之後做出這個決定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].start |
8153 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].end |
8155 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].text |
所以你們都推給代理人喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].start |
8155 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].end |
8157 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].text |
所以台銅很好笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].start |
8157 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].end |
8159 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].text |
我們納稅人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].start |
8159 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].end |
8161 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].text |
好今天託付給 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].start |
8161 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].end |
8163 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].text |
我們經濟部託付給 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].start |
8163 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].end |
8165 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].text |
台銅現在全部都是託給代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].start |
8165 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].end |
8167 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].text |
代理人可以這麼大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].start |
8167 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].end |
8169 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].text |
一億七千萬由代理人來決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].start |
8169 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].end |
8171 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].text |
是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].start |
8171 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].end |
8173 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].text |
報告委員代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].start |
8173 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].end |
8175 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].text |
到時候這個一個月只還五萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].start |
8175 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].end |
8177 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].text |
代理人說OK |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].start |
8177 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].end |
8179 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].text |
你們就接受了開台銅就吞下去嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].start |
8179 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].end |
8181 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].text |
是當時考量到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].start |
8181 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].end |
8183 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].text |
當時開庭的狀況所做的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].start |
8183 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].end |
8185 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].text |
好那請問一下副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].start |
8185 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].end |
8187 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].text |
你們現在台銅至少要設定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].start |
8187 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].end |
8189 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].text |
無奶人應該幾年之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].start |
8189 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].end |
8191 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].text |
要還完這些欠款 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].start |
8191 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].end |
8193 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].text |
跟委員報告這個欠款 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].start |
8193 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].end |
8195 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].text |
其實不是無奶人一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].start |
8195 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].end |
8197 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].text |
是四個債務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].start |
8197 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].end |
8199 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].text |
那台銅公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].start |
8199 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].end |
8201 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].text |
無奶人一個人欠多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].start |
8201 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].end |
8203 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].text |
這是四個人連帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].start |
8203 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].end |
8205 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].text |
要負責的這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].start |
8205 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].end |
8207 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].text |
對阿無奶人要負責的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].start |
8207 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].end |
8209 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].text |
四個債務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].start |
8209 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].end |
8211 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].text |
那無奶人欠多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].start |
8211 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].end |
8213 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].text |
你剛才都說無奶人還了750萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].start |
8213 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].end |
8215 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].text |
無奶人還欠多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].start |
8215 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].end |
8217 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].text |
這個債務如果說有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].start |
8217 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].end |
8219 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].text |
你到現在都想不清楚喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].start |
8219 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].end |
8221 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].text |
要包庇無奶人喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].start |
8221 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].end |
8223 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].text |
我現在直接說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].start |
8223 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].end |
8225 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].text |
照理說你們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].start |
8225 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].end |
8227 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].text |
就應該撤銷管收 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].start |
8227 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].end |
8229 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].text |
我告訴你你立刻 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].start |
8229 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].end |
8231 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].text |
把他關進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].start |
8231 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].end |
8233 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].text |
他立刻提出一個比較好的還款計畫啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].start |
8233 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].end |
8235 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].text |
你們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].start |
8235 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].end |
8237 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].text |
要再給他拖一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].start |
8237 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].end |
8239 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].text |
拖到這個月的下半月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].start |
8239 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].end |
8241 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].text |
下旬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].start |
8241 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].end |
8243 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].text |
如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].start |
8243 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].end |
8245 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].text |
你們再沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].start |
8245 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].end |
8247 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].text |
去申請管收的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].start |
8247 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].end |
8249 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].text |
你們就完全的瀆職 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].start |
8249 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].end |
8251 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].text |
如果台銅瀆職 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].start |
8251 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].end |
8253 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].text |
部長你也瀆職喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].start |
8253 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].end |
8255 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].text |
因為你是主辦機關阿 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].start |
8255 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].end |
8257 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].start |
8257 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].end |
8259 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].text |
我們的目標還是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].start |
8259 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].end |
8261 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].text |
債權可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].start |
8261 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].end |
8263 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].text |
收回來啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].start |
8263 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].end |
8265 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].text |
那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].start |
8265 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].end |
8269 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].text |
談判跟協商的這個技巧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].start |
8269 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].end |
8271 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].text |
或是怎麼樣的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].start |
8271 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].end |
8273 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].text |
這個還是要當手 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].start |
8273 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].end |
8275 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].text |
這叫談判技巧喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].start |
8275 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].end |
8277 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].text |
這叫談判技巧喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].start |
8277 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].end |
8279 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].text |
以後所有積欠政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].start |
8279 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].end |
8281 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].text |
稅款的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].start |
8281 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].end |
8283 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].text |
或者稅單的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].start |
8283 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].end |
8285 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].text |
或者違規的規費的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].start |
8285 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].end |
8287 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].text |
都來跟政府來說來還 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].start |
8287 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].end |
8289 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].text |
我們來談一下這個技巧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].start |
8289 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].end |
8291 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].text |
無奶人技巧特別棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].start |
8291 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].end |
8293 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].text |
所以我的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].start |
8293 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].end |
8295 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].text |
無奶人的談判技巧特別棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].start |
8295 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].end |
8297 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].text |
他可以去開課了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].start |
8297 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].end |
8299 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].text |
開一堂怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].start |
8299 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].end |
8301 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].text |
可以延長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].start |
8301 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].end |
8303 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].text |
可以欠錢不還 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].start |
8303 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].end |
8305 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].text |
對政府欠錢不還的課了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].start |
8305 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].end |
8307 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].text |
部長你也說的出來喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].start |
8307 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].end |
8309 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].text |
分層負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].start |
8309 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].end |
8311 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].text |
這個還是要尊重台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].start |
8311 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].end |
8313 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].text |
部長這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].start |
8313 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].end |
8315 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].text |
台糖辦不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].start |
8315 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].end |
8317 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].text |
部長有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].start |
8317 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].end |
8319 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].text |
因為你們可以決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].start |
8319 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].end |
8321 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].text |
這個董事長總經理阿 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].start |
8321 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].end |
8323 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].text |
辦的這樣無煞煞 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].start |
8323 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].end |
8325 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].text |
辦到這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].start |
8325 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].end |
8327 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].text |
剛剛台糖公司已經委員報告過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].start |
8327 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].end |
8329 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].text |
那要看8月底的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].start |
8329 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].end |
8331 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].text |
好8月底如果沒有辦法提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].start |
8331 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].end |
8333 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].text |
不能成下結論嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].start |
8333 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].end |
8335 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].text |
這什麼結論啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].start |
8335 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].end |
8337 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].text |
一個月還5萬啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].start |
8337 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].end |
8339 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].text |
我跟你講我講一個月還5萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].start |
8339 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].end |
8341 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].text |
還是高的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].start |
8341 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].end |
8343 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].text |
我聽到可能還不到5萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].start |
8345 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].end |
8347 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].text |
所以8月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].start |
8347 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].end |
8349 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].text |
8月份如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].start |
8349 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].end |
8351 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].text |
沒有辦法提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].start |
8351 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].end |
8353 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].text |
一個合理償還計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].start |
8353 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].end |
8355 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].text |
而且你們一定要公開啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].start |
8355 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].end |
8357 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].text |
你們一定要公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].start |
8357 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].end |
8359 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].text |
你們憑什麼不公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].start |
8359 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].end |
8361 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].text |
這是國營事業不是你家的錢喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].start |
8361 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].end |
8363 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].text |
所以一定要公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].start |
8363 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].end |
8365 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].text |
無奶人到底他的還款計劃是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].start |
8365 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].end |
8367 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].text |
不要再繼續的包庇無奶人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].start |
8367 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].end |
8369 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].text |
包庇無奶人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].start |
8369 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].end |
8371 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].text |
你們通通都瀆職 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].start |
8373 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].end |
8375 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].text |
好謝謝王王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].start |
8375 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].end |
8377 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].text |
謝謝台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].start |
8377 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].end |
8379 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].text |
蔡益妤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].start |
8379 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].end |
8381 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].text |
接下來請蔡益妤委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].start |
8387 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].end |
8389 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].text |
我們待會兒政天才 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].start |
8389 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].end |
8391 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].text |
待會兒呂玉琳委員質詢完畢後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].start |
8391 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].end |
8393 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].text |
休息8分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].start |
8397 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].end |
8399 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].text |
好我們是不是有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].start |
8399 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].end |
8401 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].text |
台港副總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].start |
8405 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].end |
8407 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].text |
衛福部署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].start |
8407 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].end |
8409 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].text |
蔡總署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].start |
8409 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].end |
8411 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].text |
蔡總署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].start |
8419 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].end |
8421 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].text |
好那今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].start |
8421 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].end |
8423 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].text |
排了這樣的一個議程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].start |
8423 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].end |
8425 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].text |
早晚應該是很重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].start |
8425 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].end |
8427 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].text |
台糖這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].start |
8427 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].end |
8429 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].text |
他拒收了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].start |
8429 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].end |
8431 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].text |
中原的出遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].start |
8431 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].end |
8433 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].text |
因為他台糖認為這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].start |
8433 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].end |
8435 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].text |
這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].start |
8435 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].end |
8437 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].text |
出遊的階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].start |
8437 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].end |
8439 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].text |
所以還不是所謂的一個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].start |
8441 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].end |
8443 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].text |
既然還不是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].start |
8443 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].end |
8445 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].text |
他就把這個出遊退貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].start |
8445 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].end |
8447 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].text |
要中聯自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].start |
8447 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].end |
8449 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].text |
要去吸收 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].start |
8449 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].end |
8451 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].text |
因為台糖不收這樣的貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].start |
8451 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].end |
8453 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].text |
而且這個貨源也 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].start |
8453 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].end |
8455 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].text |
都還在中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].start |
8455 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].end |
8457 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].text |
這個自由就是都還在台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].start |
8457 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].end |
8459 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].text |
那台糖直接拒收 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].start |
8459 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].end |
8461 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].text |
那我想要請台糖是不是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].start |
8461 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].end |
8463 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].text |
再具體說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].start |
8463 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].end |
8465 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].text |
當時你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].start |
8465 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].end |
8467 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].text |
如何查到這一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].start |
8467 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].end |
8469 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].text |
出遊是有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].start |
8469 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].end |
8471 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].text |
那你們怎樣決定去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].start |
8471 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].end |
8473 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].text |
拒收的過程可不可以做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].start |
8473 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].end |
8475 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].text |
完整的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].start |
8475 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].end |
8477 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].text |
是那跟委員做一個比較完整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].start |
8477 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].end |
8479 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].text |
報告我們這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].start |
8479 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].end |
8481 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].text |
因為我們大豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].start |
8481 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].end |
8483 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].text |
自己生產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].start |
8483 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].end |
8485 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].text |
出遊我們自己壓到大豆生產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].start |
8485 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].end |
8487 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].text |
出遊不足所以我們必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].start |
8487 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].end |
8489 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].text |
要對外來採購出遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].start |
8489 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].end |
8491 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].text |
不足那這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].start |
8491 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].end |
8493 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].text |
我們的招標案是3000 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].start |
8493 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].end |
8495 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].text |
的出遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].start |
8495 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].end |
8497 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].text |
那這個出遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].start |
8497 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].end |
8499 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].text |
對台糖公司來講他是一個中間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].start |
8499 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].end |
8501 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].text |
的一個原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].start |
8501 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].end |
8503 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].text |
那中聯他是分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].start |
8503 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].end |
8505 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].text |
應該是我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].start |
8505 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].end |
8507 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].text |
絕標的對象得標的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].start |
8507 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].end |
8509 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].text |
廠商是福茂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].start |
8509 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].end |
8511 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].text |
那福茂公司他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].start |
8511 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].end |
8513 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].text |
這次交遊交的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].start |
8513 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].end |
8515 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].text |
出遊他是分3批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].start |
8515 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].end |
8517 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].text |
第一批他交的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].start |
8517 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].end |
8519 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].text |
這個出遊就是我們這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].start |
8519 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].end |
8521 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].text |
311在中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].start |
8521 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].end |
8523 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].text |
的出遊那我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].start |
8523 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].end |
8525 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].text |
5月11號他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].start |
8525 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].end |
8527 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].text |
提報這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].start |
8527 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].end |
8529 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].text |
311這個這一 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].start |
8529 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].end |
8531 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].text |
草的出遊是要交給 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].start |
8531 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].end |
8533 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].text |
台糖公司的所以我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].start |
8533 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].end |
8535 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].text |
的人員到現場去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].start |
8535 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].end |
8537 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].text |
簽封然後送驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].start |
8537 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].end |
8539 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].text |
就整個遊草是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].start |
8539 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].end |
8541 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].text |
封存起來送驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].start |
8541 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].end |
8543 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].text |
要等到驗收合格了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].start |
8543 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].end |
8545 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].text |
之後台糖公司才會收 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].start |
8545 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].end |
8547 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].text |
那這一次是我們送驗的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].start |
8547 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].end |
8549 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].text |
他沒有符合台糖的招標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].start |
8549 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].end |
8551 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].text |
規範啦我們的招標規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].start |
8551 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].end |
8553 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].text |
有很多項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].start |
8553 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].end |
8555 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].text |
包括本篇皮的部分他是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].start |
8555 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].end |
8557 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].text |
沒有符合我們的招標規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].start |
8557 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].end |
8559 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].text |
所以這一批我們是拒收的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].start |
8559 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].end |
8561 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].text |
是直接留在中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].start |
8561 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].end |
8563 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].text |
那到目前為止他還是簽封 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].start |
8563 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].end |
8565 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].text |
在現場所以你們就是5月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].start |
8565 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].end |
8567 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].text |
11到中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].start |
8567 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].end |
8569 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].text |
的現場去哪邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].start |
8569 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].end |
8571 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].text |
抽驗那抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].start |
8571 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].end |
8573 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].text |
時間過多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].start |
8573 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].end |
8575 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].text |
我們馬上送驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].start |
8575 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].end |
8577 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].text |
在5月15號 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].start |
8577 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].end |
8579 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].text |
報告就 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].start |
8579 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].end |
8581 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].text |
出來那因為碰到禮拜六禮拜天 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].start |
8581 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].end |
8583 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].text |
5月18號禮拜一 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].start |
8583 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].end |
8585 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].text |
我們就通知那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].start |
8585 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].end |
8587 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].text |
那個服貿公司說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].start |
8587 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].end |
8589 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].text |
他的這一批有的是沒有符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].start |
8589 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].end |
8591 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].text |
台糖公司的規範我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].start |
8591 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].end |
8593 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].text |
拒收對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].start |
8593 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].end |
8595 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].text |
那現在看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].start |
8595 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].end |
8597 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].text |
台中市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].start |
8597 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].end |
8599 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].text |
就是認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].start |
8599 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].end |
8601 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].text |
你除了拒收外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].start |
8601 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].end |
8603 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].text |
你認為他送驗不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].start |
8603 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].end |
8605 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].text |
他的緬比有超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].start |
8605 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].end |
8607 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].text |
所以你也必須要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].start |
8607 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].end |
8609 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].text |
那在法令上你們必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].start |
8609 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].end |
8611 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].text |
這樣做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].start |
8611 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].end |
8613 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].text |
公務員報告他這個沒有所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].start |
8613 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].end |
8615 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].text |
超標不超標的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].start |
8615 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].end |
8617 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].text |
因為現行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].start |
8617 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].end |
8619 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].text |
食安法裡頭並沒有對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].start |
8619 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].end |
8621 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].text |
出遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].start |
8621 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].end |
8623 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].text |
有做任何安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].start |
8623 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].end |
8625 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].text |
標準規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].start |
8625 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].end |
8627 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].text |
所以他就沒有所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].start |
8627 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].end |
8629 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].text |
超標不超標的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].start |
8629 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].end |
8631 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].text |
他是沒有符合台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].start |
8631 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].end |
8633 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].text |
所訂的招標規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].start |
8633 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].end |
8635 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].text |
所以我們拒收了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].start |
8635 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].end |
8637 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].text |
所以你們就決定拒收 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].start |
8637 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].end |
8639 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].text |
那請食藥署說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].start |
8639 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].end |
8641 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].text |
那台糖這樣的一個決策過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].start |
8641 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].end |
8643 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].text |
有違反你們的食品衛生的管理法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].start |
8643 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].end |
8645 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].text |
先講結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].start |
8645 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].end |
8647 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].text |
並沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].start |
8647 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].end |
8649 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].text |
為什麼沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].start |
8649 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].end |
8651 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].text |
就是說大豆其實炸油之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].start |
8651 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].end |
8653 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].text |
炸出來的油是最初級 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].start |
8653 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].end |
8655 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].text |
初級的油裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].start |
8655 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].end |
8657 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].text |
其實是又酸又臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].start |
8657 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].end |
8659 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].text |
顏色又不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].start |
8659 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].end |
8661 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].text |
非常混濁 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].start |
8661 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].end |
8663 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].text |
所以我們就要實用這個階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].start |
8663 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].end |
8665 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].text |
那如何到最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].start |
8665 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].end |
8667 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].text |
我們可以到我們要吃的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].start |
8667 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].end |
8669 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].text |
其實要經過這個精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].start |
8669 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].end |
8671 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].text |
精煉過程其實可以下降了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].start |
8671 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].end |
8673 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].text |
88% |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].start |
8673 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].end |
8675 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].text |
所以這個下降的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].start |
8675 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].end |
8677 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].text |
如果精煉之後我們要管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].start |
8677 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].end |
8679 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].text |
最後出來的油是符合2ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].start |
8679 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].end |
8681 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].text |
他其實是我們用我們的科學 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].start |
8681 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].end |
8683 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].text |
能夠達到盡量低的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].start |
8683 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].end |
8685 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].text |
我們訂的這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].start |
8685 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].end |
8687 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].text |
所以在過去台糖裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].start |
8687 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].end |
8689 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].text |
相關的油品以及後續 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].start |
8689 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].end |
8691 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].text |
檢驗油品都是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].start |
8691 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].end |
8693 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].text |
所以對於這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].start |
8693 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].end |
8695 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].text |
初級出來的油的層次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].start |
8695 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].end |
8697 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].text |
我們是不是要去管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].start |
8697 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].end |
8699 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].text |
我們其實是應該在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].start |
8699 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].end |
8701 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].text |
所謂的HACCP裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].start |
8701 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].end |
8703 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].text |
重要的節點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].start |
8703 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].end |
8705 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].text |
決定你後續你要怎麼練 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].start |
8705 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].end |
8707 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].text |
因為練一次練不成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].start |
8707 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].end |
8709 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].text |
走一圈不成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].start |
8709 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].end |
8711 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].text |
走兩圈也可以達到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].start |
8711 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].end |
8713 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].text |
2ppb的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].start |
8713 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].end |
8715 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].text |
只是他的成本就會另外一個層次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].start |
8715 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].end |
8717 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].text |
所以對於一個衛生主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].start |
8717 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].end |
8719 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].text |
我們要把讓人民的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].start |
8719 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].end |
8721 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].text |
食品的安全的油品安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].start |
8721 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].end |
8723 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].text |
貶貧批的2ppb的這個目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].start |
8723 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].end |
8725 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].text |
我們一定是抓在最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].start |
8725 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].end |
8727 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].text |
你出來要給民眾消費的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].start |
8727 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].end |
8729 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].text |
所以你們是抓在最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].start |
8729 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].end |
8731 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].text |
抓到這個他必須要到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].start |
8731 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].end |
8733 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].text |
2ppb的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].start |
8733 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].end |
8735 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].text |
就是他可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].start |
8735 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].end |
8737 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].text |
要投入適當的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].start |
8737 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].end |
8739 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].text |
讓他精煉的過程把他下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].start |
8739 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].end |
8741 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].text |
這個是可以做到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].start |
8741 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].end |
8743 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].text |
所以因此他對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].start |
8743 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].end |
8745 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].text |
我們食品中汙染物質跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].start |
8745 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].end |
8747 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].text |
毒素的衛生標準裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].start |
8747 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].end |
8749 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].text |
提到的富表3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].start |
8749 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].end |
8751 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].text |
BAP裡面我們追締的是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].start |
8751 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].end |
8753 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].text |
可食用的油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].start |
8753 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].end |
8755 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].text |
沒有到第七數 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].start |
8755 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].end |
8757 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].text |
那是不是可以這樣說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].start |
8757 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].end |
8759 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].text |
如果台糖公司這一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].start |
8759 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].end |
8761 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].text |
出油他一樣把他買進來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].start |
8761 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].end |
8763 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].text |
但是他經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].start |
8763 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].end |
8765 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].text |
投入成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].start |
8765 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].end |
8767 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].text |
精煉再精煉還是可以把 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].start |
8767 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].end |
8769 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].text |
他下降到最後變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].start |
8769 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].end |
8771 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].text |
產品的時候下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].start |
8771 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].end |
8773 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].text |
到了2ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].start |
8773 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].end |
8775 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].text |
他就會變成一個合格的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].start |
8775 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].end |
8777 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].text |
是這樣子做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].start |
8777 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].end |
8779 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].text |
是可以達到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].start |
8779 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].end |
8781 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].text |
只是說中間台糖如果他進了這批出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].start |
8781 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].end |
8783 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].text |
他的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].start |
8783 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].end |
8785 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].text |
的標準是超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].start |
8785 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].end |
8787 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].text |
是比較高不是叫超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].start |
8787 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].end |
8789 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].text |
是相對高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].start |
8789 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].end |
8791 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].text |
台糖就要投入成本去讓他下降到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].start |
8791 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].end |
8793 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].text |
產品符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].start |
8793 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].end |
8795 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].text |
我想他是一個很重要的參考點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].start |
8795 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].end |
8797 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].text |
所以對於整個所謂食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].start |
8797 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].end |
8799 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].text |
科學裡面是有可以達到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].start |
8799 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].end |
8801 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].text |
讓他2的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].start |
8801 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].end |
8803 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].text |
所以這樣一個論述 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].start |
8803 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].end |
8805 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].text |
可以了解起來基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].start |
8805 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].end |
8807 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].text |
台糖這中間沒有違反食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].start |
8807 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].end |
8809 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].text |
衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].start |
8809 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].end |
8811 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].text |
這個出油他可以選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].start |
8811 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].end |
8813 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].text |
要買進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].start |
8813 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].end |
8815 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].text |
也可以選擇不要買進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].start |
8815 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].end |
8817 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].text |
但是台糖至於自我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].start |
8817 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].end |
8819 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].text |
合約的自我的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].start |
8819 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].end |
8821 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].text |
所以他認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].start |
8821 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].end |
8823 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].text |
這個出油的原料就不符合他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].start |
8823 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].end |
8825 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].text |
的所以他們就不要買 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].start |
8825 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].end |
8827 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].text |
不想買拒收 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].start |
8827 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].end |
8829 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].text |
就是這個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].start |
8829 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].end |
8831 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].text |
市長說你是不是像我這樣說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].start |
8831 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].end |
8833 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].text |
是沒有錯委員所講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].start |
8833 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].end |
8835 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].text |
完全正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].start |
8835 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].end |
8837 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].text |
所以對你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].start |
8837 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].end |
8839 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].text |
台糖來說你們這次購買 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].start |
8839 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].end |
8841 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].text |
出油然後你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].start |
8841 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].end |
8843 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].text |
拒收然後現在整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].start |
8843 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].end |
8845 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].text |
台中市政府看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].start |
8845 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].end |
8847 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].text |
如休彥很努力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].start |
8847 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].end |
8849 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].text |
要甩鍋給台糖然後認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].start |
8849 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].end |
8851 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].text |
你們拒收然後你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].start |
8851 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].end |
8853 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].text |
違反通報義務那這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].start |
8853 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].end |
8855 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].text |
台糖你們要這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].start |
8855 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].end |
8857 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].text |
添添恐怕假嗎你們不 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].start |
8857 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].end |
8859 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].text |
採取一些法律動作嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].start |
8859 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].end |
8861 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].text |
這個部分當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].start |
8861 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].end |
8863 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].text |
我們也會來評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].start |
8863 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].end |
8865 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].text |
也會跟律師這邊來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].start |
8865 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].end |
8867 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].text |
研究後續 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].start |
8867 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].end |
8869 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].text |
在法律上面我們是不是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].start |
8869 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].end |
8871 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].text |
採取任何的行動這個要經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].start |
8871 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].end |
8873 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].text |
評估你們除了評估之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].start |
8873 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].end |
8875 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].text |
你們要去思考這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].start |
8875 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].end |
8877 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].text |
盧市長已經多次把你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].start |
8877 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].end |
8879 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].text |
台糖的生育 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].start |
8879 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].end |
8881 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].text |
已經做了多次的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].start |
8881 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].end |
8883 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].text |
從上一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].start |
8883 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].end |
8885 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].text |
那塊豬肉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].start |
8885 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].end |
8887 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].text |
裡面在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].start |
8887 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].end |
8889 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].text |
有什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].start |
8889 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].end |
8891 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].text |
瘦肉精的成分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].start |
8891 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].end |
8893 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].text |
然後驗驗驗驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].start |
8893 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].end |
8895 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].text |
就那一塊豬肉其他全部合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].start |
8895 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].end |
8897 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].text |
台也是把你們攻擊成這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].start |
8897 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].end |
8899 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].text |
那現在又來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].start |
8899 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].end |
8901 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].text |
看起來就是都不去講中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].start |
8901 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].end |
8903 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].text |
中聯的油的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].start |
8903 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].end |
8905 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].text |
鈔標然後現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].start |
8905 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].end |
8907 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].text |
全部都要說你們的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].start |
8907 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].end |
8909 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].text |
我覺得台糖你們應該要採取一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].start |
8909 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].end |
8911 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].text |
動作吧你們台糖畢竟是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].start |
8911 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].end |
8913 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].text |
有對外營業你們還是有自己的商譽 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].start |
8913 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].end |
8915 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].text |
是那可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].start |
8915 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].end |
8917 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].text |
市長他對我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].start |
8917 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].end |
8919 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].text |
可能有一些誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].start |
8919 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].end |
8921 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].text |
那我想我們有機會的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].start |
8921 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].end |
8923 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].text |
也希望說能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].start |
8923 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].end |
8925 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].text |
你去外面講是叫欺負而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].start |
8927 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].end |
8929 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].text |
差不多每天欺負假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].start |
8929 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].end |
8931 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].text |
你們適度的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].start |
8931 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].end |
8933 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].text |
只能用一些法律動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].start |
8933 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].end |
8935 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].text |
才能捍衛自己的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].start |
8935 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].end |
8937 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].text |
公司的一個名譽 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].start |
8937 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].end |
8939 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].text |
我真的強力建議台糖必須要這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].start |
8939 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].end |
8941 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].start |
8941 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].end |
8943 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].text |
市長我是不是可以再請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].start |
8945 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].end |
8947 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].text |
不好意思可以再給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].start |
8947 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].end |
8949 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].text |
兩分鐘就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].start |
8949 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].end |
8951 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].text |
我掃聲說話語速比較慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].start |
8951 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].end |
8953 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].text |
市長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].start |
8953 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].end |
8955 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].text |
市長我想要跟你們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].start |
8955 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].end |
8957 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].text |
現在我們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].start |
8957 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].end |
8959 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].text |
新的能源現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].start |
8959 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].end |
8961 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].text |
包括台糖這邊可以都先會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].start |
8963 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].end |
8965 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].text |
現在過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].start |
8965 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].end |
8967 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].text |
我們都在說氫能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].start |
8967 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].end |
8969 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].text |
那氫能它有一個問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].start |
8969 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].end |
8971 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].text |
甲烷裂解自氫後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].start |
8971 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].end |
8973 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].text |
甲烷裂解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].start |
8973 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].end |
8975 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].text |
過去的自氫它可能是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].start |
8975 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].end |
8977 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].text |
保存的成本太高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].start |
8977 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].end |
8979 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].text |
所以變成說氫的這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].start |
8979 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].end |
8981 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].text |
氫能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].start |
8981 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].end |
8983 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].text |
在推廣上有一個困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].start |
8983 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].end |
8985 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].text |
那現在整個技術的進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].start |
8985 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].end |
8987 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].text |
而且我們知道現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].start |
8987 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].end |
8989 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].text |
大家在想如何用氫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].start |
8989 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].end |
8991 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].text |
來產生能源的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].start |
8991 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].end |
8993 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].text |
最好的方式就是用甲烷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].start |
8993 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].end |
8995 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].text |
來自氫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].start |
8995 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].end |
8997 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].text |
甲烷我們知道那個化學式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].start |
8997 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].end |
8999 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].text |
化學式一機要打一加溫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].start |
8999 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].end |
9001 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].text |
差不多升高到200度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].start |
9001 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].end |
9003 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].text |
然後它裡面就會跑出氫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].start |
9003 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].end |
9005 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].text |
所以它整個運輸的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].start |
9005 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].end |
9007 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].text |
都用甲烷來運輸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].start |
9007 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].end |
9009 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].text |
甲烷我們也知道那就是酒精 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].start |
9009 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].end |
9011 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].text |
工業酒精就是甲烷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].start |
9011 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].end |
9013 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].text |
所以運輸甲烷然後到了適當的地點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].start |
9013 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].end |
9015 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].text |
把它升溫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].start |
9015 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].end |
9017 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].text |
那就可以產生氫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].start |
9017 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].end |
9019 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].text |
氫就可以來產生能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].start |
9019 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].end |
9021 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].text |
這一塊是最好現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].start |
9021 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].end |
9023 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].text |
在發展新能源的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].start |
9023 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].end |
9025 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].text |
未來的氫能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].start |
9025 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].end |
9027 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].text |
用甲烷自氫是最好的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].start |
9029 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].end |
9031 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].text |
因為我們知道過去要保存氫能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].start |
9031 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].end |
9033 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].text |
就要用極低溫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].start |
9033 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].end |
9035 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].text |
要到-253度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].start |
9035 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].end |
9037 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].text |
所以它等於產生氫能的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].start |
9037 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].end |
9039 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].text |
又大量的耗能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].start |
9039 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].end |
9041 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].text |
但是用甲烷自氫就不用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].start |
9041 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].end |
9043 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].text |
整個路線 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].start |
9043 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].end |
9045 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].text |
是液態運輸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].start |
9045 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].end |
9047 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].text |
因為就是用甲烷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].start |
9047 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].end |
9049 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].text |
然後到了適當的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].start |
9049 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].end |
9051 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].text |
再來用化學式的轉換 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].start |
9051 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].end |
9053 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].text |
然後產生氫然後就可以產生能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].start |
9053 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].end |
9055 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].text |
是不是這一塊我們經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].start |
9055 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].end |
9057 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].text |
有要投入適度的研究呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].start |
9059 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].end |
9061 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].text |
事實上各種的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].start |
9061 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].end |
9063 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].text |
我們都有投入相關的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].start |
9063 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].end |
9065 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].text |
但是就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].start |
9065 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].end |
9067 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].text |
那個時機跟成本的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].start |
9067 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].end |
9069 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].text |
如果這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].start |
9069 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].end |
9071 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].text |
成本可以下降下來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].start |
9071 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].end |
9073 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].text |
那我們當然是樂於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].start |
9073 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].end |
9075 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].text |
可以來使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].start |
9075 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].end |
9077 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].text |
不過現在我看還是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].start |
9077 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].end |
9079 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].text |
屬於這個研究跟示範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].start |
9079 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].end |
9081 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].text |
階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].start |
9081 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].end |
9083 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].text |
當然是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].start |
9083 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].end |
9085 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].text |
但是企業事實上跑在前面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].start |
9085 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].end |
9087 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].text |
部長我知道你應該也知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].start |
9087 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].end |
9089 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].text |
很多企業事實上對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].start |
9089 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].end |
9091 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].text |
都有這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].start |
9091 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].end |
9093 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].text |
然後他們現在認為甲烷自氫已經是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].start |
9093 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].end |
9095 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].text |
未來很可行的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].start |
9095 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].end |
9097 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].text |
看起來日本在這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].start |
9097 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].end |
9099 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].text |
跑得很快 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].start |
9099 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].end |
9101 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].text |
那我們台灣事實上也可以來做這樣的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].start |
9101 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].end |
9103 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].text |
但是企業在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].start |
9103 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].end |
9105 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].text |
努力這一塊的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].start |
9105 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].end |
9107 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].text |
他們會發現有一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].start |
9107 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].end |
9109 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].text |
就是我們現在在甲烷自氫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].start |
9109 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].end |
9111 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].text |
過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].start |
9111 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].end |
9113 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].text |
甲烷的產生事實上也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].start |
9113 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].end |
9115 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].text |
同時去處理很多農業廢棄物 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].start |
9115 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].end |
9117 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].text |
包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].start |
9117 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].end |
9119 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].text |
玉米或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].start |
9119 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].end |
9121 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].text |
一些積分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].start |
9121 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].end |
9123 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].text |
怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].start |
9123 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].end |
9125 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].text |
這樣的一個農業廢棄物他們事實上就會產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].start |
9125 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].end |
9127 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].text |
甲烷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].start |
9127 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].end |
9129 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].text |
如果你透過這個農廢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].start |
9129 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].end |
9131 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].text |
產生甲烷之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].start |
9131 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].end |
9133 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].text |
然後你再把它來用剛剛的技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].start |
9133 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].end |
9135 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].text |
然後來自氫的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].start |
9135 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].end |
9137 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].text |
基本上這樣的一個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].start |
9137 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].end |
9139 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].text |
它會應該要符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].start |
9139 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].end |
9141 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].text |
RE100 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].start |
9141 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].end |
9143 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].text |
能源的一個需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].start |
9143 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].end |
9145 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].text |
那這個在國外事實上是同意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].start |
9145 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].end |
9147 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].text |
用農廢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].start |
9147 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].end |
9149 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].text |
然後來製造甲烷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].start |
9149 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].end |
9151 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].text |
然後甲烷再轉換成氫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].start |
9151 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].end |
9153 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].text |
這樣一個化學式變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].start |
9153 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].end |
9155 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].text |
基本上是符合RE100的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].start |
9155 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].end |
9157 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].text |
報告委員現在如果用農廢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].start |
9157 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].end |
9159 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].text |
來可以轉換成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].start |
9159 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].end |
9161 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].text |
發電的部分現在我們已經折成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].start |
9161 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].end |
9163 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].text |
台南公司大概有幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].start |
9163 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].end |
9165 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].text |
示範案已經要開始運行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].start |
9165 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].end |
9167 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].text |
那希望明年可以開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].start |
9167 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].end |
9169 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].text |
明年可以開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].start |
9169 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].end |
9171 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].text |
但是卡在現在我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].start |
9171 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].end |
9173 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].text |
再生能源發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].start |
9173 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].end |
9175 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].text |
我們再生能源是現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].start |
9175 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].end |
9177 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].text |
生殖能的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].start |
9177 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].end |
9179 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].text |
是指 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].start |
9179 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].end |
9181 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].text |
如果是生殖的部分尤其是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].start |
9181 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].end |
9183 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].text |
農廢的部分這個部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].start |
9183 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].end |
9185 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].text |
是可以的是OK的是符合我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].start |
9185 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].end |
9187 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].text |
沒有沒有現在業界普遍還是認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].start |
9187 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].end |
9189 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].text |
因為它不是直接 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].start |
9189 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].end |
9191 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].text |
產生能源它是能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].start |
9191 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].end |
9193 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].text |
農廢先產生甲烷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].start |
9193 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].end |
9195 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].text |
再產生能源如果是農廢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].start |
9195 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].end |
9197 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].text |
就早期發電那就是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].start |
9197 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].end |
9199 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].text |
綠能的一個標章 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].start |
9199 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].end |
9201 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].text |
你這一塊因為它中間就多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].start |
9201 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].end |
9203 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].text |
一個製程它是由農廢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].start |
9203 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].end |
9205 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].text |
變甲烷甲烷再變氫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].start |
9205 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].end |
9207 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].text |
所以甲烷變氫這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].start |
9207 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].end |
9209 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].text |
沒有綠能標章那這個好可惜 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].start |
9209 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].end |
9211 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].text |
包括說英國現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].start |
9211 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].end |
9213 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].text |
他們像AZ藥廠他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].start |
9213 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].end |
9215 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].text |
就有生物甲烷工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].start |
9215 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].end |
9217 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].text |
他們認為這個產生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].start |
9217 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].end |
9219 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].text |
就是叫做潔淨的一個能源因為他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].start |
9219 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].end |
9221 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].text |
是用農廢去去轉換 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].start |
9221 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].end |
9223 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].text |
但是我們卻在這一塊轉換過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].start |
9223 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].end |
9225 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].text |
少了這一段 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].start |
9225 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].end |
9227 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].text |
這件事很可惜所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].start |
9227 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].end |
9229 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].text |
部長因為我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].start |
9229 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].end |
9231 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].text |
要鼓勵企業去跑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].start |
9231 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].end |
9233 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].text |
跑在我們一些政策的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].start |
9233 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].end |
9235 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].text |
前面那也要給他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].start |
9235 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].end |
9237 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].text |
充足的誘因企業當然會認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].start |
9237 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].end |
9239 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].text |
我去從事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].start |
9239 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].end |
9241 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].text |
用農廢轉換甲烷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].start |
9241 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].end |
9243 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].text |
轉換成酒精酒精轉換成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].start |
9243 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].end |
9245 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].text |
氫能這個是很好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].start |
9245 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].end |
9247 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].text |
一個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].start |
9247 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].end |
9249 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].text |
好那這個部分我們來研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].start |
9249 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].end |
9251 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].text |
看看怎麼樣來做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].start |
9251 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].end |
9253 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].text |
好我現在最後30秒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].start |
9253 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].end |
9255 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].text |
就是我的主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].start |
9255 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].end |
9257 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].text |
我剛才說的就是希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].start |
9257 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].end |
9259 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].text |
事實上我們經濟委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].start |
9259 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].end |
9261 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].text |
也有去考察我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].start |
9261 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].end |
9263 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].text |
在新港的農場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].start |
9263 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].end |
9265 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].text |
我們台糖在新港的農場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].start |
9265 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].end |
9267 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].text |
那這個農場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].start |
9267 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].end |
9269 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].text |
它是臨近於我們嘉義 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].start |
9269 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].end |
9271 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].text |
科學園區距離嘉義科學園區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].start |
9271 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].end |
9273 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].text |
大概只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].start |
9273 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].end |
9275 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].text |
只有大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].start |
9275 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].end |
9277 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].text |
7分鐘的車程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].start |
9277 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].end |
9279 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].text |
這個新港農場跟嘉義 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].start |
9279 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].end |
9281 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].text |
家科離家科很近 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].start |
9281 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].end |
9283 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].text |
那我們覺得這一個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].start |
9283 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].end |
9285 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].text |
它很適合來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].start |
9285 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].end |
9287 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].text |
新能源的產業園區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].start |
9287 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].end |
9289 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].text |
因為我們現在國家的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].start |
9289 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].end |
9291 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].text |
產業園區的佈局上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].start |
9291 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].end |
9293 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].text |
現在少了對於能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].start |
9293 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].end |
9295 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].text |
以能源為主體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].start |
9295 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].end |
9297 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].text |
整個的一個產業園區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].start |
9297 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].end |
9299 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].text |
的一個開發的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].start |
9299 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].end |
9301 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].text |
那我們從過去我們剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].start |
9301 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].end |
9303 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].text |
不管是氫能或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].start |
9303 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].end |
9305 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].text |
一些綠能的一些研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].start |
9305 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].end |
9307 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].text |
還是需要一些有一些產業的群聚的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].start |
9307 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].end |
9309 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].text |
那如果我們可以在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].start |
9309 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].end |
9311 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].text |
把它變成新能源的產業園區的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].start |
9311 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].end |
9313 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].text |
是可以鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].start |
9313 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].end |
9315 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].text |
更多願意去研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].start |
9315 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].end |
9317 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].text |
新能源的這樣的一個企業的進駐 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].start |
9317 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].end |
9319 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].text |
然後他們如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].start |
9319 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].end |
9321 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].text |
在這件事情可以符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].start |
9321 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].end |
9323 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].text |
R100的話他們就 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].start |
9323 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].end |
9325 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].text |
最近的地方就是因為台積電 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].start |
9325 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].end |
9327 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].text |
在嘉義科學園區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].start |
9327 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].end |
9329 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].text |
那如果距離7分鐘支援的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].start |
9329 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].end |
9331 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].text |
新港的農場變成一個新能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].start |
9331 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].end |
9333 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].text |
產業園區的話也方便 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].start |
9333 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].end |
9335 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].text |
這些新能源的企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].start |
9335 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].end |
9337 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].text |
可以跟先進的科技產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].start |
9337 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].end |
9339 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].text |
他們所需要R100的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].start |
9339 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].end |
9341 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].text |
可以對接 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].start |
9341 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].end |
9343 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].text |
所以這件事情我們希望部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].start |
9343 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].end |
9345 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].text |
可以趕快來啟動然後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].start |
9345 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].end |
9347 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].text |
研究這個新港農場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].start |
9347 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].end |
9349 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].text |
是否可以讓它轉型成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].start |
9349 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].end |
9351 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].text |
一個新的產業園區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].start |
9351 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].end |
9353 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].text |
可以可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].start |
9353 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].end |
9355 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].text |
那部長這件事要拜託你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].start |
9355 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].end |
9357 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].start |
9357 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].end |
9359 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].text |
接下來謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].start |
9359 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].end |
9361 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].text |
接下來我們請政天才委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].start |
9361 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].end |
9363 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].start |
9373 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].end |
9377 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].text |
主席有請經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].start |
9377 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].end |
9379 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].text |
我換台堂好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].start |
9379 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].end |
9381 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].text |
台堂副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].start |
9381 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].end |
9383 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].text |
有請台堂副總石耀署 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].start |
9383 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].end |
9385 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].text |
石耀署江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].start |
9385 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].end |
9387 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].start |
9389 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].end |
9391 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].text |
今天這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].start |
9391 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].end |
9393 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].text |
謝謝我們召委安排 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].start |
9393 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].end |
9395 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].text |
那經濟部的報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].start |
9395 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].end |
9397 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].text |
中聯遊職實踐及 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].start |
9397 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].end |
9399 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].text |
遊品食安管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].start |
9399 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].end |
9401 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].text |
特別還是提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].start |
9401 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].end |
9403 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].text |
這個台堂向 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].start |
9403 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].end |
9405 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].text |
福茂採購黃豆出遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].start |
9405 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].end |
9407 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].text |
因為這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].start |
9407 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].end |
9409 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].text |
本篇筆不符切 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].start |
9409 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].end |
9411 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].text |
然後你們就記收 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].start |
9411 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].end |
9413 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].text |
所以你們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].start |
9413 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].end |
9415 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].text |
這樣只是記收 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].start |
9415 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].end |
9417 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].text |
不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].start |
9417 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].end |
9419 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].text |
做任何的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].start |
9419 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].end |
9421 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].start |
9421 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].end |
9423 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].text |
因為原料油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].start |
9423 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].end |
9425 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].text |
原料油它不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].start |
9425 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].end |
9427 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].text |
最終的使用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].start |
9427 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].end |
9429 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].text |
那依據現行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].start |
9429 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].end |
9431 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].text |
食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].start |
9431 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].end |
9433 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].text |
裡頭它並沒有對原料油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].start |
9433 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].end |
9435 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].text |
有做任何的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].start |
9435 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].end |
9437 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].text |
標準規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].start |
9437 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].end |
9439 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].start |
9439 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].end |
9441 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].text |
雖然說它的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].start |
9441 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].end |
9443 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].text |
貶評筆我們這次 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].start |
9443 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].end |
9445 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].text |
採購的這個中聯所教的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].start |
9445 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].end |
9447 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].text |
這個本篇筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].start |
9447 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].end |
9449 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].text |
它是有偏高 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].start |
9449 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].end |
9451 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].text |
它是不符合台堂公司的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].start |
9451 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].end |
9453 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].text |
採購規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].start |
9453 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].end |
9455 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].text |
我們的規範是比較嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].start |
9455 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].end |
9457 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].text |
那它沒有符合我們的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].start |
9457 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].end |
9459 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].text |
有沒有符合這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].start |
9459 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].end |
9461 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].text |
其他我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].start |
9461 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].end |
9463 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].text |
衛福部的相關的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].start |
9463 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].end |
9465 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].text |
它不再 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].start |
9465 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].end |
9467 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].text |
不再需要通報的項目裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].start |
9467 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].end |
9469 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].text |
好你認為不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].start |
9469 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].end |
9471 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].start |
9471 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].end |
9473 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].text |
就如同經濟部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].start |
9473 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].end |
9475 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].text |
報告裡面是這樣說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].start |
9475 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].end |
9477 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].text |
這個認為不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].start |
9479 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].end |
9481 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].text |
我們看台南市食品安全管理制度條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].start |
9481 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].end |
9483 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].text |
食品業者發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].start |
9483 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].end |
9485 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].text |
上游供應之食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].start |
9485 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].end |
9487 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].text |
有危害消費者生命身體 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].start |
9487 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].end |
9489 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].text |
或健康之餘食 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].start |
9489 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].end |
9491 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].text |
因自動消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].start |
9491 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].end |
9493 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].text |
生命生命或生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].start |
9493 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].end |
9495 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].text |
或健康之餘食 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].start |
9495 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].end |
9497 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].text |
因自發限時 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].start |
9497 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].end |
9499 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].text |
起 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].start |
9499 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].end |
9501 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].text |
48小時內 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].start |
9501 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].end |
9503 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].text |
主動通報本府衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].start |
9503 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].end |
9505 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].text |
請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].start |
9505 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].end |
9507 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].text |
那個食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].start |
9507 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].end |
9509 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].text |
除了台南市有這樣的規定之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].start |
9509 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].end |
9511 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].text |
其他的縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].start |
9511 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].end |
9513 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].text |
有沒有這樣的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].start |
9513 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].end |
9515 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].text |
我先跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].start |
9515 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].end |
9517 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].text |
台南市食品安全管理制度條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].start |
9517 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].end |
9519 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].text |
特別提到的食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].start |
9519 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].end |
9521 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].text |
發現上游供應之食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].start |
9521 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].end |
9523 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].text |
有危害消費者的生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].start |
9523 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].end |
9525 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].text |
那我不曉得委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].start |
9525 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].end |
9527 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].text |
或者是一般民眾知不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].start |
9527 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].end |
9529 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].text |
脫交原因長什麼樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].start |
9529 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].end |
9531 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].text |
它其實又酸又臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].start |
9531 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].end |
9533 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].text |
又混濁 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].start |
9533 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].end |
9535 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].text |
根本就不是實用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].start |
9535 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].end |
9537 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].text |
它不會再是實用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].start |
9537 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].end |
9539 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].text |
因為它是在黃豆炸出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].start |
9539 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].end |
9541 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].text |
用我們的化學炸取 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].start |
9541 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].end |
9543 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].text |
這裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].start |
9543 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].end |
9545 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].text |
之後呢要準備要去做精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].start |
9545 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].end |
9547 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].text |
所以它是一個整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].start |
9547 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].end |
9549 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].text |
製程裡面HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].start |
9549 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].end |
9551 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].text |
重要的節點一個重要的參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].start |
9551 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].end |
9553 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].text |
如果看到14.97PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].start |
9553 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].end |
9555 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].text |
我們要如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].start |
9555 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].end |
9557 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].text |
啟動後面的精煉的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].start |
9557 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].end |
9559 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].text |
達到精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].start |
9559 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].end |
9561 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].text |
符合最後食品油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].start |
9561 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].end |
9563 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].text |
小於2PPB的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].start |
9563 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].end |
9565 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].text |
這是食品科學 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].start |
9565 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].end |
9567 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].text |
絕對做得到的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].start |
9567 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].end |
9569 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].text |
所以目前對於所謂的脫交原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].start |
9569 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].end |
9571 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].text |
在這個階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].start |
9571 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].end |
9573 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].text |
台糖去取然後去封存 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].start |
9573 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].end |
9575 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].text |
去驗出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].start |
9575 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].end |
9577 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].text |
目前並不跟我們的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].start |
9577 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].end |
9579 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].text |
第七條第五項裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].start |
9579 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].end |
9581 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].text |
我們食品裡面油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].start |
9581 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].end |
9583 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].text |
去管理上面的目的是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].start |
9583 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].end |
9585 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].text |
沒有對它做要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].start |
9585 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].end |
9587 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].text |
有這個其實可以練得下去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].start |
9587 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].end |
9589 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].text |
跟您說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].start |
9589 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].end |
9591 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].text |
請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].start |
9591 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].end |
9593 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].text |
食品安全衛生管理法第3條 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].start |
9593 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].end |
9595 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].text |
食品有做定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].start |
9595 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].end |
9597 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].text |
食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].start |
9597 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].end |
9599 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].text |
只供人飲食 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].start |
9599 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].end |
9601 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].text |
或舉教之產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].start |
9601 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].end |
9603 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].text |
及其原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].start |
9603 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].end |
9605 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].text |
它不是原料嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].start |
9605 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].end |
9607 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].text |
我跟委員做了一些說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].start |
9607 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].end |
9609 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].text |
我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].start |
9609 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].end |
9611 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].text |
這個是整個原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].start |
9611 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].end |
9613 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].text |
我們要問一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].start |
9613 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].end |
9615 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].text |
大豆沙拉油的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].start |
9615 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].end |
9617 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].text |
大豆還是脫交原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].start |
9617 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].end |
9619 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].text |
一定是大豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].start |
9619 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].end |
9621 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].text |
原料在大豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].start |
9621 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].end |
9623 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].text |
它不會是在脫交原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].start |
9623 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].end |
9625 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].text |
在製成過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].start |
9625 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].end |
9627 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].text |
有一個我繼續要努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].start |
9627 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].end |
9629 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].text |
讓它達到2PPB的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].start |
9629 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].end |
9631 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].text |
一個油品上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].start |
9631 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].end |
9633 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].text |
說它是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].start |
9633 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].end |
9635 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].text |
這個是不符合在管理上面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].start |
9635 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].end |
9637 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].text |
邏輯以及食安法第7條第5項裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].start |
9637 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].end |
9639 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].text |
所謂的脫交原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].start |
9639 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].end |
9641 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].text |
不符合這樣通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].start |
9641 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].end |
9643 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].text |
它其實是完全不可供食品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].start |
9643 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].end |
9645 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].text |
按照你的說辭的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].start |
9645 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].end |
9647 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].text |
那不就代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].start |
9647 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].end |
9649 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].text |
台糖不應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].start |
9649 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].end |
9651 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].text |
計收嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].start |
9651 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].end |
9653 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].text |
它應該要計收 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].start |
9653 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].end |
9655 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].text |
為什麼他們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].start |
9655 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].end |
9657 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].text |
我就了解不應該替他們代答 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].start |
9657 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].end |
9659 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].text |
他們是因為合約說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].start |
9659 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].end |
9661 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].text |
要2PPB的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].start |
9661 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].end |
9663 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].text |
如果人家供油給你可以2PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].start |
9663 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].end |
9665 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].text |
其他就收 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].start |
9665 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].end |
9667 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].text |
但是這點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].start |
9667 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].end |
9669 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].text |
所以你認為台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].start |
9669 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].end |
9671 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].text |
他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].start |
9671 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].end |
9673 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].text |
自我的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].start |
9673 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].end |
9675 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].text |
太嚴格了是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].start |
9675 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].end |
9677 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].text |
你認為他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].start |
9677 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].end |
9679 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].text |
自我要求這麼高 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].start |
9679 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].end |
9681 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].text |
是不是你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].start |
9681 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].end |
9683 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].text |
認為太嚴格了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].start |
9685 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].end |
9687 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].start |
9687 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].end |
9689 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].text |
當初 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].start |
9689 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].end |
9691 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].start |
9691 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].end |
9693 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].text |
如果你們的契約 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].start |
9693 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].end |
9695 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].text |
如果你們跟中聯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].start |
9695 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].end |
9697 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].text |
契約原來就這樣規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].start |
9697 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].end |
9699 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].text |
那當然是這樣規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].start |
9699 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].end |
9701 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].text |
做最嚴格的要求是對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].start |
9701 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].end |
9703 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].text |
而到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].start |
9703 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].end |
9705 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].text |
食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].start |
9705 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].end |
9707 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].text |
你們還在堅持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].start |
9707 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].end |
9709 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].text |
你們的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].start |
9709 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].end |
9711 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].text |
毫無檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].start |
9711 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].end |
9713 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].text |
你也許可以說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].start |
9713 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].end |
9715 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].text |
食品衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].start |
9715 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].end |
9717 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].text |
管理法有檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].start |
9717 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].end |
9719 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].text |
需要檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].start |
9719 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].end |
9721 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].text |
因為現在的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].start |
9721 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].end |
9723 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].text |
我們應該參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].start |
9723 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].end |
9725 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].text |
台糖的高標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].start |
9725 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].end |
9727 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].text |
來去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].start |
9727 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].end |
9729 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].text |
訂定去修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].start |
9729 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].end |
9731 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].start |
9731 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].end |
9733 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].text |
對於所謂的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].start |
9733 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].end |
9735 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].text |
我在怎麼看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].start |
9735 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].end |
9737 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].text |
這個食品的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].start |
9737 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].end |
9739 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].text |
就是包含它的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].start |
9739 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].end |
9741 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].text |
我聽你的老半天 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].start |
9741 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].end |
9743 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].text |
你剛才的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].start |
9743 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].end |
9745 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].text |
也看不出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].start |
9745 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].end |
9747 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].text |
什麼很專業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].start |
9747 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].end |
9749 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].text |
就是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].start |
9749 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].end |
9751 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].text |
你還能做什麼解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].start |
9751 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].end |
9753 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].text |
跟委員這邊進入報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].start |
9753 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].end |
9755 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].text |
對於裡面的脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].start |
9755 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].end |
9757 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].text |
裡面的原料我相信是在黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].start |
9757 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].end |
9759 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].text |
大家是無庸置疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].start |
9759 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].end |
9761 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].text |
至於在中間製程中要不要去訂這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].start |
9761 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].end |
9763 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].text |
我覺得現在修法也提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].start |
9763 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].end |
9765 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].text |
大家可以共同去討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].start |
9765 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].end |
9767 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].text |
至於說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].start |
9767 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].end |
9769 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].text |
如果是2.5ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].start |
9769 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].end |
9771 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].text |
3ppb 5ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].start |
9771 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].end |
9773 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].text |
到底接下來面對這些油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].start |
9773 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].end |
9775 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].text |
要做什麼樣子的管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].start |
9775 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].end |
9777 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].text |
我會安排這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].start |
9777 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].end |
9779 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].text |
就是大家來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].start |
9779 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].end |
9781 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].text |
但是你剛才的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].start |
9781 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].end |
9783 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].text |
就認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].start |
9783 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].end |
9785 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].text |
就認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].start |
9785 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].end |
9787 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].text |
台糖標準太高 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].start |
9787 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].end |
9789 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].text |
會這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].start |
9789 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].end |
9791 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].text |
會這樣的一個理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].start |
9791 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].end |
9793 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].text |
你了解嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].start |
9793 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].end |
9795 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].text |
報告委員這個理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].start |
9795 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].end |
9797 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].text |
如果你們的理解並不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].start |
9797 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].end |
9799 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].text |
我想他是脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].start |
9799 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].end |
9801 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].text |
其實是各個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].start |
9801 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].end |
9803 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].text |
油品廠都可以把它當作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].start |
9803 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].end |
9805 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].text |
很重要的一個節點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].start |
9805 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].end |
9807 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].text |
未來也能夠去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].start |
9807 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].end |
9809 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].text |
該如何去把它練到符合標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].start |
9809 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].end |
9811 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].text |
這是我們的期待也是我們科學管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].start |
9811 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].end |
9813 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].text |
上面支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].start |
9813 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].end |
9815 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].text |
至於民眾說原料上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].start |
9815 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].end |
9817 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].text |
15 14 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].start |
9817 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].end |
9819 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].text |
要怎麼去處理這個是未來的確是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].start |
9819 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].end |
9821 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].text |
可以去做討論的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].start |
9821 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].end |
9823 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].text |
所以今天是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].start |
9823 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].end |
9825 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].text |
等於是在檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].start |
9825 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].end |
9827 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].text |
安排這個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].start |
9827 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].end |
9829 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].text |
就是在檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].start |
9829 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].end |
9831 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].text |
所以你不要太堅持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].start |
9831 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].end |
9833 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].text |
原來的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].start |
9833 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].end |
9835 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].text |
或是你原來對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].start |
9835 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].end |
9837 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].text |
食品安全衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].start |
9837 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].end |
9839 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].text |
管理法的理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].start |
9839 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].end |
9841 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].text |
你應該主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].start |
9841 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].end |
9843 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].text |
就想如果當初 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].start |
9843 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].end |
9845 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].text |
這個現行的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].start |
9845 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].end |
9847 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].text |
是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].start |
9847 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].end |
9849 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].text |
經過這一次的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].start |
9849 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].end |
9851 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].text |
確實有檢討的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].start |
9851 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].end |
9853 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].text |
空間你一開始這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].start |
9853 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].end |
9855 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].text |
我就不會那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].start |
9855 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].end |
9857 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].text |
謝謝委員的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].start |
9857 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].end |
9859 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].text |
委員應該也同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].start |
9859 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].end |
9861 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].text |
同意剛才講現行的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].start |
9861 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].end |
9863 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].text |
應該目前是沒有這樣的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].start |
9863 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].end |
9865 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].text |
我不認為現行的法律不能處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].start |
9865 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].end |
9867 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].text |
但是你認為是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].start |
9867 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].end |
9869 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].start |
9869 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].end |
9871 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].text |
你還是要去強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].start |
9871 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].end |
9873 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].text |
需要去調整去修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].start |
9873 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].end |
9875 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].text |
不夠明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].start |
9875 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].end |
9877 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].text |
也許你說不夠明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].start |
9877 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].end |
9879 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].text |
但是我認為很明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].start |
9879 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].end |
9881 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].text |
所以變成各有各的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].start |
9881 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].end |
9883 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].text |
不同的一個意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].start |
9883 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].end |
9885 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].start |
9885 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].end |
9887 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].start |
9887 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].end |
9889 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].text |
好謝謝鄭天才委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].start |
9889 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].end |
9891 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].text |
謝謝部長跟署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].start |
9891 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].end |
9893 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].text |
好接下來的話我們請 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].start |
9893 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].end |
9895 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].text |
呂玉琳委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].start |
9907 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].end |
9909 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].start |
9909 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].end |
9911 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].text |
我們請經濟部的龔部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].start |
9911 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].end |
9913 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].text |
食藥署的江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].start |
9913 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].end |
9915 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].text |
台唐的蔡副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].start |
9917 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].end |
9919 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].text |
好請部長署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].start |
9919 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].end |
9921 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].text |
張委長官 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].start |
9921 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].end |
9923 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].text |
食品的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].start |
9923 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].end |
9925 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].text |
沒有太嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].start |
9925 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].end |
9927 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].text |
是一定要嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].start |
9927 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].end |
9929 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].text |
也絕對不能打折扣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].start |
9929 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].end |
9931 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].text |
這是人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].start |
9931 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].end |
9933 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].text |
吃下去的東西他們的生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].start |
9933 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].end |
9935 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].text |
的健康的安全性 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].start |
9935 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].end |
9937 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].text |
所以我們要重演 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].start |
9937 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].end |
9939 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].text |
審慎來制定我們的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].start |
9939 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].end |
9941 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].text |
跟法律跟規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].start |
9941 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].end |
9943 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].text |
這才是我們今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].start |
9943 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].end |
9945 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].text |
開這場會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].start |
9945 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].end |
9947 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].text |
最重要的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].start |
9949 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].end |
9951 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].text |
食品安全是我們民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].start |
9951 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].end |
9953 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].text |
最基本也是最卑微的一個請求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].start |
9953 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].end |
9955 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].text |
大家在市場裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].start |
9955 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].end |
9957 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].text |
或者是在超市裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].start |
9957 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].end |
9959 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].text |
買回去的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].start |
9959 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].end |
9961 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].text |
我們要求的就是要給家人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].start |
9961 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].end |
9963 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].text |
吃得安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].start |
9963 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].end |
9965 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].text |
所以中年這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].start |
9965 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].end |
9967 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].text |
爆發這個油料毒油的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].start |
9967 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].end |
9969 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].text |
扁平皮的或超標的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].start |
9969 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].end |
9971 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].text |
再次的重創國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].start |
9971 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].end |
9973 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].text |
對食品安全的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].start |
9973 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].end |
9975 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].text |
信任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].start |
9975 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].end |
9977 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].text |
尤其是在中年作為原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].start |
9977 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].end |
9979 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].text |
油的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].start |
9979 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].end |
9981 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].text |
他把生產的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].start |
9981 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].end |
9983 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].text |
分別供應給下游廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].start |
9983 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].end |
9985 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].text |
包括泰山 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].start |
9985 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].end |
9987 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].text |
福壽還有福茂等 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].start |
9987 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].end |
9989 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].text |
知名的加工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].start |
9989 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].end |
9991 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].text |
在經由餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].start |
9991 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].end |
9993 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].text |
到通路到我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].start |
9993 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].end |
9995 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].text |
零售販賣給 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].start |
9995 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].end |
9997 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].text |
我們消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].start |
9997 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].end |
9999 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].text |
這個油品影響是越來越大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].start |
9999 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].end |
10001 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].text |
被擴大了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].start |
10001 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].end |
10003 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].text |
臺中政府部的食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].start |
10003 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].end |
10005 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].text |
全面在清查中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].start |
10005 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].end |
10007 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].text |
中年四月份到六月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].start |
10007 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].end |
10009 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].text |
生產的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].start |
10009 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].end |
10011 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].text |
最終得到確認的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].start |
10011 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].end |
10013 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].text |
就有七批的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].start |
10013 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].end |
10015 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].text |
有問題對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].start |
10015 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].end |
10017 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].text |
這七批的油品都不符合規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].start |
10017 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].end |
10019 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].text |
所以食藥署也 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].start |
10019 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].end |
10021 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].text |
趕快的要他們下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].start |
10021 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].end |
10023 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].text |
回收原來大家以為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].start |
10023 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].end |
10025 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].text |
這個事情已經告一個段落了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].start |
10025 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].end |
10027 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].text |
但是在臺中地檢署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].start |
10027 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].end |
10029 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].text |
追究整起事件的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].start |
10029 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].end |
10031 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].text |
形式責任的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].start |
10031 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].end |
10033 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].text |
發現了原來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].start |
10033 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].end |
10035 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].text |
早在五月十五日的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].start |
10035 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].end |
10037 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].text |
台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].start |
10037 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].end |
10039 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].text |
在採購中年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].start |
10039 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].end |
10041 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].text |
的製造福茂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].start |
10041 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].end |
10043 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].text |
供應的油品原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].start |
10043 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].end |
10045 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].text |
的時候就發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].start |
10045 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].end |
10047 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].text |
貶貧皮的超標的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].start |
10047 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].end |
10049 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].text |
而且這一批的原油貶貧皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].start |
10049 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].end |
10051 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].text |
已經超標到14 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].start |
10051 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].end |
10053 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].text |
PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].start |
10053 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].end |
10055 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].text |
我們的規定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].start |
10055 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].end |
10057 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].text |
2PPB對不對食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].start |
10057 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].end |
10059 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].text |
所以超標這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].start |
10059 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].end |
10061 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].text |
當然台糖會拒收 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].start |
10061 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].end |
10063 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].text |
館長是館 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].start |
10063 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].end |
10065 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].text |
已經可以吃的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].start |
10065 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].end |
10067 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].text |
中間製造大豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].start |
10067 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].end |
10069 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].text |
製造壓出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].start |
10069 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].end |
10071 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].text |
我想個問題你有沒有聽懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].start |
10071 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].end |
10073 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].text |
他有超標是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].start |
10073 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].end |
10075 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].text |
當然有14、18都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].start |
10075 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].end |
10077 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].text |
但是我們訂的規定是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].start |
10077 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].end |
10079 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].text |
2PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].start |
10079 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].end |
10081 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].start |
10081 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].end |
10083 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].text |
你回答我對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].start |
10083 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].end |
10085 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].text |
你前面的解釋我都聽過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].start |
10085 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].end |
10087 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].text |
我是要跟你原意 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].start |
10087 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].end |
10089 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].text |
一條一條列給你知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].start |
10089 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].end |
10091 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].text |
你們的錯誤在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].start |
10091 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].end |
10093 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].text |
你們要改進修正的法在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].start |
10093 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].end |
10095 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].text |
所以我問你2PPB對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].start |
10095 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].end |
10097 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].text |
2PPB是我們食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].start |
10097 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].end |
10099 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].text |
可以吃的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].start |
10099 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].end |
10101 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].text |
脫膠原油是不能吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].start |
10101 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].end |
10103 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].text |
所以沒有依照我們食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].start |
10103 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].end |
10105 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].text |
管理的法規面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].start |
10105 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].end |
10107 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].text |
第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].start |
10107 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].end |
10109 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].text |
第五項的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].start |
10109 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].end |
10111 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].text |
向地方衛生主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].start |
10111 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].end |
10113 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].text |
來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].start |
10113 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].end |
10115 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].text |
我想請問的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].start |
10115 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].end |
10117 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].text |
在發生有疑慮的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].start |
10117 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].end |
10119 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].text |
公營單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].start |
10119 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].end |
10121 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].text |
卡一卡你是公營 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].start |
10121 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].end |
10123 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].text |
你不是民營 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].start |
10123 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].end |
10125 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].text |
有這些問題的時候你就要橫向溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].start |
10125 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].end |
10127 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].text |
不管是我們食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].start |
10127 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].end |
10129 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].text |
衛福部還是經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].start |
10129 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].end |
10131 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].text |
你都要去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].start |
10131 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].end |
10133 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].text |
你都要告訴他們有這種問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].start |
10133 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].end |
10135 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].text |
因為你剛剛提到的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].start |
10135 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].end |
10137 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].text |
如果說有扁平坪 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].start |
10137 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].end |
10139 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].text |
超標的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].start |
10139 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].end |
10141 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].text |
在製造過程他可以把它拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].start |
10141 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].end |
10143 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].text |
那這個製造過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].start |
10143 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].end |
10145 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].text |
要被知道被告知 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].start |
10145 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].end |
10147 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].text |
去執行去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].start |
10147 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].end |
10149 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].text |
才能夠被拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].start |
10149 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].end |
10151 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].text |
所以你沒有通報他沒有辦法在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].start |
10151 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].end |
10153 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].text |
製造過程中加了哪些程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].start |
10153 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].end |
10155 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].text |
去把這個扁平坪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].start |
10155 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].end |
10157 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].text |
成分降低再降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].start |
10157 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].end |
10159 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].text |
到安全的2PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].start |
10159 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].end |
10161 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].text |
對不對所以請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].start |
10161 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].end |
10163 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].text |
台唐副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].start |
10163 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].end |
10165 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].text |
台唐曾經發生過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].start |
10165 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].end |
10167 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].text |
有扁平坪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].start |
10167 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].end |
10169 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].text |
超標的問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].start |
10169 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].end |
10171 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].text |
這麼久以來有發生過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].start |
10171 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].end |
10173 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].text |
我們只能說我們所採購的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].start |
10173 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].end |
10175 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].text |
都沒有是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].start |
10175 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].end |
10177 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].text |
所採購的原料油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].start |
10177 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].end |
10179 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].text |
粗油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].start |
10179 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].end |
10181 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].text |
是按照我們的超標的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].start |
10181 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].end |
10183 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].text |
來做驗收 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].start |
10183 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].end |
10185 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].text |
有沒有發生過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].start |
10185 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].end |
10187 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].text |
沒有發生過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].start |
10187 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].end |
10189 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].text |
這是首次第一次發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].start |
10189 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].end |
10191 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].text |
對不對 是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].start |
10191 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].end |
10193 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].text |
這麼嚴重的事情首次第一次發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].start |
10193 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].end |
10195 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].text |
那你為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].start |
10195 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].end |
10197 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].text |
沒有盡你的義務責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].start |
10197 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].end |
10199 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].text |
台唐 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].start |
10199 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].end |
10201 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].text |
你台唐是公營 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].start |
10201 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].end |
10203 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].text |
你應該通報給橫向 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].start |
10203 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].end |
10205 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].text |
的所屬相關單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].start |
10205 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].end |
10207 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].text |
大家知道要不要做個警惕 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].start |
10207 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].end |
10209 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].text |
應該是這麼說就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].start |
10209 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].end |
10211 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].text |
其他的廠商如果說他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].start |
10211 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].end |
10213 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].text |
也要用粗油去精煉成 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].start |
10213 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].end |
10215 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].text |
沙拉油的話他應該在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].start |
10215 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].end |
10217 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].text |
採購的時候他們要去驗啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].start |
10217 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].end |
10219 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].text |
不是台南公司去幫他們驗或者是告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].start |
10219 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].end |
10221 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].text |
沒有叫你驗互相通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].start |
10221 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].end |
10223 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].text |
大家注意有吃批貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].start |
10223 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].end |
10225 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].text |
大家要注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].start |
10225 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].end |
10227 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].text |
這個責任沒有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].start |
10227 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].end |
10229 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].text |
我強調你是公營 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].start |
10229 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].end |
10231 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].text |
所以這麼嚴重的情形之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].start |
10231 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].end |
10233 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].text |
你沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].start |
10233 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].end |
10235 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].text |
就是讓我們的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].start |
10235 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].end |
10237 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].text |
有問題的不用通報變成產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].start |
10237 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].end |
10239 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].text |
會變成產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].start |
10239 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].end |
10241 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].text |
原料沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].start |
10241 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].end |
10243 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].text |
就會變成產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].start |
10243 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].end |
10245 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].text |
所以報告他沒有所謂的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].start |
10245 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].end |
10247 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].text |
有問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].start |
10247 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].end |
10249 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].text |
他只是說他不符合台南公司的採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].start |
10249 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].end |
10251 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].text |
的規範我們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].start |
10251 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].end |
10253 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].text |
沒有問題你為什麼退化 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].start |
10253 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].end |
10255 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].text |
他不符合台南公司的驗收 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].start |
10255 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].end |
10257 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].text |
對嘛就是有問題你才要退化 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].start |
10257 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].end |
10259 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].text |
換貨啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].start |
10259 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].end |
10261 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].text |
不符合規定啦你不要再 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].start |
10261 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].end |
10263 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].text |
狡辯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].start |
10263 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].end |
10265 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].text |
你不要再狡辯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].start |
10265 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].end |
10267 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].text |
所以你為什麼我剛剛告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].start |
10267 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].end |
10269 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].text |
你有通報的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].start |
10269 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].end |
10271 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].text |
是依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].start |
10271 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].end |
10273 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].text |
我們經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].start |
10273 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].end |
10275 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].text |
依據經濟部所屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].start |
10275 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].end |
10277 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].text |
事業各類 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].start |
10277 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].end |
10279 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].text |
災害及緊急事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].start |
10279 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].end |
10281 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].text |
速報程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].start |
10281 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].end |
10283 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].text |
第三條第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].start |
10283 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].end |
10285 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].text |
第五目的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].start |
10285 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].end |
10287 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].text |
重大事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].start |
10287 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].end |
10289 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].text |
若是影響到事業的形象 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].start |
10289 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].end |
10291 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].text |
或者是影響到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].start |
10291 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].end |
10293 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].text |
相關產業上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].start |
10293 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].end |
10295 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].text |
上下游事業供需 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].start |
10295 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].end |
10297 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].text |
或者民生國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].start |
10297 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].end |
10299 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].text |
就應該向 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].start |
10299 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].end |
10301 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].text |
經濟部通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].start |
10301 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].end |
10303 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].text |
有沒有這個法公部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].start |
10303 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].end |
10305 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].text |
我這邊強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].start |
10305 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].end |
10307 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].text |
國營事業應向 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].start |
10307 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].end |
10309 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].text |
經濟部通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].start |
10309 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].end |
10311 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].start |
10311 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].end |
10313 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].text |
還有狡辯 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].start |
10313 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].end |
10315 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].text |
這是指安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].start |
10315 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].end |
10317 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].text |
跟招防法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].start |
10317 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].end |
10319 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].text |
那是產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].start |
10319 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].end |
10321 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].text |
事業還講是不是個事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].start |
10321 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].end |
10323 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].text |
都是跟食品安全法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].start |
10323 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].end |
10325 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].text |
產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].start |
10325 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].end |
10327 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].text |
事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].start |
10327 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].end |
10329 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].text |
所以公部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].start |
10329 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].end |
10331 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].text |
食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].start |
10331 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].end |
10333 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].text |
你們一槍就突入食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].start |
10333 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].end |
10335 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].text |
產業公司經營製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].start |
10335 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].end |
10337 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].text |
產品出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].start |
10337 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].end |
10339 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].text |
我們吃下去肚子的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].start |
10339 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].end |
10341 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].text |
這是一連罐的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].start |
10341 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].end |
10343 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].text |
一個產業鏈的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].start |
10343 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].end |
10345 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].text |
統統要關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].start |
10345 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].end |
10347 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].text |
所以在2024年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].start |
10347 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].end |
10349 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].text |
蘇丹紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].start |
10349 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].end |
10351 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].text |
食安事件發生的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].start |
10351 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].end |
10353 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].text |
他們用蘇丹紅添加了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].start |
10353 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].end |
10355 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].text |
在辣椒粉裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].start |
10355 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].end |
10357 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].text |
辣椒粉的色澤看起來比較好看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].start |
10357 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].end |
10359 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].text |
在衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].start |
10359 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].end |
10361 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].text |
食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].start |
10361 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].end |
10363 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].text |
你們在2024年的3月11號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].start |
10363 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].end |
10365 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].text |
的新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].start |
10365 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].end |
10367 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].text |
當中特別強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].start |
10367 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].end |
10369 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].text |
食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].start |
10369 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].end |
10371 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].text |
如果發現原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].start |
10371 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].end |
10373 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].text |
和產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].start |
10373 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].end |
10375 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].text |
有危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].start |
10375 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].end |
10377 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].text |
衛生安全之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].start |
10377 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].end |
10379 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].text |
應主動停止製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].start |
10379 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].end |
10381 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].text |
加工販賣及 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].start |
10381 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].end |
10383 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].text |
辦理回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].start |
10383 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].end |
10385 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].text |
並通報直轄市縣市的主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].start |
10385 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].end |
10387 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].text |
機關白紙黑字 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].start |
10387 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].end |
10389 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].text |
寫在這邊原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].start |
10389 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].end |
10391 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].text |
有問題你們就必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].start |
10391 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].end |
10393 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].text |
要將所有的主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].start |
10393 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].end |
10395 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].text |
機關所有的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].start |
10395 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].end |
10397 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].text |
統統都要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].start |
10397 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].end |
10399 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].text |
這個你們的去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].start |
10399 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].end |
10401 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].text |
2024年3月11號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].start |
10401 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].end |
10403 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].text |
你們新聞稿白紙黑字 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].start |
10403 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].end |
10405 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].text |
就寫出來了是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].start |
10405 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].end |
10407 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].text |
謝謝委員的指導因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].start |
10407 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].end |
10409 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].text |
蘇丹紅跟扁平坯 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].start |
10409 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].end |
10411 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].text |
都有化學結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].start |
10411 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].end |
10413 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].text |
一個是在不得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].start |
10413 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].end |
10415 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].text |
添加的一個是在製程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].start |
10415 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].end |
10417 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].text |
本來就會有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].start |
10417 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].end |
10419 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].text |
這兩個是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].start |
10419 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].end |
10421 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].text |
不一樣的署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].start |
10421 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].end |
10423 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].text |
一個是添加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].start |
10423 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].end |
10425 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].text |
一個製造過程中可以拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].start |
10425 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].end |
10427 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].text |
所以我說你及早通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].start |
10427 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].end |
10429 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].text |
如果說中年4月份發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].start |
10429 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].end |
10431 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].text |
到6月30號你及早通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].start |
10431 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].end |
10433 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].text |
我們及早把中西 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].start |
10433 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].end |
10435 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].text |
組合在原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].start |
10435 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].end |
10437 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].text |
出產的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].start |
10437 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].end |
10439 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].text |
不要跑到下游去的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].start |
10439 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].end |
10441 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].text |
我們人民是不會遲到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].start |
10441 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].end |
10443 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].text |
你通報一下會怎麼樣呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].start |
10443 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].end |
10445 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].text |
所以這些我這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].start |
10445 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].end |
10447 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].text |
全部這樣講下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].start |
10447 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].end |
10449 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].text |
就是要讓你們了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].start |
10449 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].end |
10451 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].text |
沒有法不是沒有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].start |
10451 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].end |
10453 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].text |
不是沒有制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].start |
10453 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].end |
10455 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].text |
都有讓你們執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].start |
10455 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].end |
10457 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].text |
你們要不要橫向溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].start |
10457 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].end |
10459 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].text |
互相通報尤其是公營 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].start |
10459 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].end |
10461 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].text |
法規面經濟部都公 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].start |
10461 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].end |
10463 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].text |
國營事業就要有通報的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].start |
10463 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].end |
10465 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].text |
安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].start |
10465 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].end |
10467 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].text |
所以你現在我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].start |
10467 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].end |
10469 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].text |
行政院7月份也送出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].start |
10469 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].end |
10471 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].text |
這個版本出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].start |
10471 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].end |
10473 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].text |
就針對我們食安的漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].start |
10473 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].end |
10475 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].text |
要把補好的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].start |
10475 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].end |
10477 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].text |
把補好的漏洞已經送進來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].start |
10477 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].end |
10479 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].text |
所以我們希望大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].start |
10479 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].end |
10481 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].text |
要好好的把食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].start |
10481 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].end |
10483 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].text |
健康這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].start |
10483 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].end |
10485 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].text |
好好的來討論看看怎麼樣的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].start |
10485 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].end |
10487 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].text |
能夠保障我們國人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].start |
10487 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].end |
10489 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].text |
健康這才是真正的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].start |
10489 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].end |
10491 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].text |
不要再推責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].start |
10491 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].end |
10493 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].text |
互相一定要把這個責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].start |
10493 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].end |
10495 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].text |
整個建構好來尤其是公部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].start |
10495 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].end |
10497 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].text |
經濟部包括是產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].start |
10497 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].end |
10499 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].text |
不要一直推給食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].start |
10499 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].end |
10501 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].text |
大家橫向溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].start |
10501 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].end |
10503 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].text |
把這事情做好來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].start |
10503 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].end |
10505 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].text |
把這個制度健全起來好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].start |
10505 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].end |
10507 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].start |
10535 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].end |
10537 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].text |
請經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].start |
10537 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].end |
10539 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].text |
主席還有各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].start |
10539 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].end |
10541 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].text |
各位政府官員大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].start |
10541 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].end |
10543 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].text |
那我今天想要請教公部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].start |
10543 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].end |
10545 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].text |
到底誰是通報義務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].start |
10545 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].end |
10547 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].text |
因為台糖好像認為他不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].start |
10547 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].end |
10549 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].text |
經濟部認為他也不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].start |
10549 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].end |
10551 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].text |
那我想台糖這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].start |
10551 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].end |
10553 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].text |
我想我們聽的都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].start |
10553 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].end |
10555 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].text |
非常的人心惶惶 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].start |
10555 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].end |
10557 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].text |
因為毒油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].start |
10557 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].end |
10559 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].text |
事件完全沒看到終點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].start |
10559 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].end |
10561 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].text |
又爆發一次的一個危機 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].start |
10561 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].end |
10563 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].text |
事件那其實如果不是台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].start |
10563 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].end |
10565 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].text |
地院吹哨可能目前全民都 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].start |
10565 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].end |
10567 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].text |
蒙在這個鼓裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].start |
10567 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].end |
10569 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].text |
那我們都知道南巧 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].start |
10569 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].end |
10571 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].text |
未通報已經被開罰了但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].start |
10571 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].end |
10573 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].text |
台糖沒有通報好像被開脫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].start |
10573 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].end |
10575 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].text |
那在人民的眼中看起來這是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].start |
10575 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].end |
10577 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].text |
雙標那特別是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].start |
10577 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].end |
10579 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].text |
其實台糖說沒有通報義務這件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].start |
10579 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].end |
10581 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].text |
事其實已經被高檢署的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].start |
10581 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].end |
10583 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].text |
主任所打臉了那經濟 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].start |
10583 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].end |
10585 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].text |
部長應該知道被打臉 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].start |
10585 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].end |
10587 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].text |
那現在重點來了你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].start |
10587 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].end |
10589 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].text |
開脫的理由就是說因為台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].start |
10589 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].end |
10591 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].text |
所購買的出教員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].start |
10591 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].end |
10593 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].text |
他只是原料他不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].start |
10593 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].end |
10595 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].text |
好來我現在要請總部長來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].start |
10595 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].end |
10597 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].text |
食品食安法的第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].start |
10597 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].end |
10599 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].text |
食品是指產品跟原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].start |
10599 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].end |
10601 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].start |
10601 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].end |
10603 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].text |
人家法條寫的一清二楚原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].start |
10603 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].end |
10605 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].text |
是食品但是在你們的眼中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].start |
10605 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].end |
10607 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].text |
卻不是食品可不可以給我們開示 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].start |
10607 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].end |
10609 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].text |
一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].start |
10609 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].end |
10611 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].text |
這個法律的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].start |
10611 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].end |
10613 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].text |
是衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].start |
10613 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].end |
10615 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].text |
不是啊衛福部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].start |
10615 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].end |
10617 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].text |
解釋來因為我真的時間非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].start |
10617 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].end |
10619 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].text |
有限二有沒有看到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].start |
10619 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].end |
10621 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].text |
衛福部的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].start |
10621 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].end |
10623 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].text |
你依照衛福部的解釋你以他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].start |
10623 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].end |
10625 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].text |
主管機關你們的理由你不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].start |
10625 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].end |
10627 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].text |
盲目的跟從啊這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].start |
10627 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].end |
10629 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].text |
沒有啦你就推給他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].start |
10629 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].end |
10631 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].text |
說是他的甄定來台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].start |
10631 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].end |
10633 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].text |
廠購的品項那今天意思就是你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].start |
10633 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].end |
10635 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].text |
站在這邊沒功能嘛那為什麼要排 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].start |
10635 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].end |
10637 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].text |
今天的專報你們的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].start |
10637 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].end |
10639 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].text |
是台糖採購的品項是出教 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].start |
10639 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].end |
10641 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].text |
員由他是原料這是你們白紙黑字 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].start |
10641 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].end |
10643 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].text |
寫出來的理由啦你們認為他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].start |
10643 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].end |
10645 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].text |
不是食品所以不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].start |
10645 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].end |
10647 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].text |
白紙黑字看得懂嗎這不是很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].start |
10647 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].end |
10649 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].text |
法律的解釋嘛食品是指產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].start |
10649 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].end |
10651 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].text |
跟原料你說原料不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].start |
10651 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].end |
10653 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].text |
所以不用通報啊我現在問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].start |
10653 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].end |
10655 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].text |
你原料是不是食品嗎我就問這一題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].start |
10655 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].end |
10657 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].text |
就好了嘛這個由主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].start |
10657 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].end |
10659 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].text |
來解釋你沒有辦法解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].start |
10659 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].end |
10661 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].text |
你都理由寫出來了你還不買帳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].start |
10661 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].end |
10663 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].text |
從主管機關的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].start |
10663 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].end |
10665 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].text |
從主管機關的解釋你連 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].start |
10665 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].end |
10667 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].text |
食品原料是不是食品你都沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].start |
10667 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].end |
10669 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].text |
辦法解釋他是主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].start |
10669 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].end |
10671 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].text |
你還解出理由說因為他不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].start |
10671 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].end |
10673 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].text |
食品你就講他不是食品就好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].start |
10673 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].end |
10675 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].text |
你現在的回答更模糊說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].start |
10675 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].end |
10677 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].text |
這個你完全不知道答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].start |
10677 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].end |
10679 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].text |
你要請主管機關來解釋我就問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].start |
10679 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].end |
10681 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].text |
原料是不是食品嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].start |
10681 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].end |
10683 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].text |
理由是你們寫的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].start |
10683 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].end |
10685 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].text |
那你自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].start |
10685 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].end |
10687 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].text |
不能夠解釋你為什麼要寫出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].start |
10687 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].end |
10689 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].text |
這樣的理由你說台糖所採購的品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].start |
10689 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].end |
10691 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].text |
香醋要原料不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].start |
10691 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].end |
10693 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].text |
所以現在你需要請他上來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].start |
10693 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].end |
10695 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].text |
那你要請他上來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].start |
10695 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].end |
10697 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].text |
你現在要告訴我們國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].start |
10697 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].end |
10699 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].text |
你完全沒有功能嗎連這麼簡單的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].start |
10699 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].end |
10701 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].text |
你都要回撥 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].start |
10701 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].end |
10703 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].text |
衛福部什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].start |
10703 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].end |
10705 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].text |
我告訴你我質詢你到第一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].start |
10705 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].end |
10707 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].text |
你就依法行政一直到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].start |
10707 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].end |
10709 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].text |
行政行不出一個讓人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].start |
10709 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].end |
10711 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].text |
幸福的結果出來所以原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].start |
10711 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].end |
10713 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].text |
是不是食品你現在推給 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].start |
10713 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].end |
10715 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].text |
衛福部是嗎你現在推給衛福部你沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].start |
10715 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].end |
10717 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].text |
辦法回答是嗎食安法的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].start |
10717 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].end |
10719 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].text |
啊這裡有是不是你們寫的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].start |
10719 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].end |
10721 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].text |
說台糖所採購的品香醋出焦原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].start |
10721 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].end |
10723 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].text |
所以不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].start |
10723 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].end |
10725 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].text |
解釋法條應該由主管機關來解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].start |
10725 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].end |
10727 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].text |
解釋法條應該由主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].start |
10727 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].end |
10729 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].text |
來解釋好那我們現在請衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].start |
10729 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].end |
10731 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].text |
那個啊江志剛署長上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].start |
10731 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].end |
10733 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].text |
他現在就是要聽你的答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].start |
10733 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].end |
10735 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].text |
才要回答啦那你就告訴他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].start |
10735 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].end |
10737 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].text |
答案原料是不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].start |
10737 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].end |
10739 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].text |
他就是告訴我們國人他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].start |
10739 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].end |
10741 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].text |
站在質詢台上完全沒有功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].start |
10741 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].end |
10743 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].text |
請問你是他的長官嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].start |
10743 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].end |
10745 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].text |
他是要仰賴於你他才 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].start |
10745 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].end |
10747 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].text |
有辦法出任何回答嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].start |
10747 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].end |
10749 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].text |
來請問一下原料是不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].start |
10749 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].end |
10751 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].text |
報告委員那 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].start |
10751 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].end |
10753 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].text |
針對委員的提問的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].start |
10753 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].end |
10755 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].text |
其實之前食務長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].start |
10755 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].end |
10757 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].text |
你就簡答就好了因為我真的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].start |
10757 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].end |
10759 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].text |
非常有限你就告訴我簡答 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].start |
10759 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].end |
10761 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].text |
答題原料是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].start |
10761 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].end |
10763 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].text |
這個標的是脫焦原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].start |
10763 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].end |
10765 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].text |
你沒有辦法回答下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].start |
10765 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].end |
10767 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].text |
下去我要經濟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].start |
10767 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].end |
10769 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].text |
繼續回答Q2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].start |
10769 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].end |
10771 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].text |
誰是通報醫務人你沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].start |
10771 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].end |
10773 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].text |
你長篇大論你完全浪費我的時間你下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].start |
10773 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].end |
10775 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].text |
每次都這樣才浪費我的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].start |
10775 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].end |
10777 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].text |
來誰是通報醫務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].start |
10777 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].end |
10779 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].text |
台糖不是通報醫務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].start |
10779 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].end |
10781 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].text |
那誰是通報醫務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].start |
10781 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].end |
10783 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].text |
那誰是通報醫務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].start |
10783 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].end |
10785 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].text |
這個我沒有辦法跟你說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].start |
10785 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].end |
10787 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].text |
你連這個都沒有辦法回答你站在這邊到底是要幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].start |
10787 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].end |
10789 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].text |
我只知道中聯是一個不良企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].start |
10789 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].end |
10791 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].text |
不良企業所以是誰要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].start |
10791 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].end |
10793 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].text |
不是台華 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].start |
10793 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].end |
10795 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].text |
要通報請問是誰要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].start |
10795 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].end |
10797 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].text |
台糖沒有通報醫務經濟部也沒有通報醫務 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].start |
10797 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].end |
10799 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].text |
那請問誰是通報醫務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].start |
10799 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].end |
10801 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].text |
我不知道你不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].start |
10801 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].end |
10803 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].text |
你完全不知道誰是通報醫務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].start |
10803 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].end |
10805 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].text |
你都沒有把答案準備好你今天就站在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].start |
10805 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].end |
10807 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].text |
拜託我們台灣的經濟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].start |
10807 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].end |
10809 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].text |
居然是一問三不知 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].start |
10809 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].end |
10811 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].text |
真的讓人家看不下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].start |
10811 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].end |
10813 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].text |
你不知道是不是沒關係我接著問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].start |
10813 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].end |
10815 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].text |
反正我問每一題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].start |
10815 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].end |
10817 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].text |
每一題你都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].start |
10817 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].end |
10819 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].text |
人家就會覺得你到底是不是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].start |
10819 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].end |
10821 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].text |
市格的經濟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].start |
10821 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].end |
10823 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].text |
經濟部說爛菜沒有通報的醫務 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].start |
10823 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].end |
10825 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].text |
部長請問一下你吃到毒油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].start |
10825 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].end |
10827 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].text |
我那一題已經過去了不想問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].start |
10827 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].end |
10829 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].text |
因為你完全不知道一問三不知 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].start |
10829 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].end |
10831 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].text |
部長請問吃到毒油也沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].start |
10831 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].end |
10833 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].text |
你們說爛菜不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].start |
10833 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].end |
10835 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].text |
那請問要吃到毒油你真的沒有關係嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].start |
10835 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].end |
10837 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].text |
不用通報受害不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].start |
10837 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].end |
10839 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].text |
只有全民你自己也會受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].start |
10839 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].end |
10841 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].text |
請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].start |
10841 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].end |
10843 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].text |
你吃到毒油也沒關係嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].start |
10843 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].end |
10845 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].text |
你吃到毒油也沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].start |
10845 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].end |
10847 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].text |
你不會這一題也要江志剛署長上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].start |
10847 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].end |
10849 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].text |
幫你問吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].start |
10849 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].end |
10851 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].text |
台糖檢驗了311的油潮的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].start |
10851 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].end |
10853 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].text |
現在還封存在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].start |
10853 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].end |
10855 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].text |
他沒有交易流入出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].start |
10855 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].end |
10857 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].text |
你如果今天不吹哨 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].start |
10857 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].end |
10859 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].text |
毒油就會漫步全台 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].start |
10859 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].end |
10861 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].text |
就像現在30個P號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].start |
10861 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].end |
10863 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].text |
流出去連衛福部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].start |
10863 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].end |
10865 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].text |
你所尊敬的衛福部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].start |
10865 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].end |
10867 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].text |
能夠幫你提供答案的衛福部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].start |
10867 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].end |
10869 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].text |
都說這些油已經不止流向了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].start |
10869 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].end |
10871 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].text |
已經吃到你的肚子去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].start |
10871 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].end |
10873 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].text |
我們要針對的是不良企業中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].start |
10873 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].end |
10875 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].text |
我覺得比起不良企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].start |
10875 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].end |
10877 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].text |
我們的不良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].start |
10877 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].end |
10879 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].text |
可能比台灣養生2300萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].start |
10879 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].end |
10881 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].text |
更加的受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].start |
10881 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].end |
10883 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].text |
請問一下經濟部何時知道台糖的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].start |
10883 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].end |
10885 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].text |
經濟部何時知道台糖的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].start |
10885 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].end |
10887 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].text |
哪一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].start |
10887 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].end |
10889 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].text |
就是他所去驗收到的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].start |
10889 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].end |
10891 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].text |
是這個14.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].start |
10891 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].end |
10893 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].text |
什麼時候知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].start |
10893 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].end |
10895 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].text |
7月份以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].start |
10895 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].end |
10897 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].text |
7月份以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].start |
10897 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].end |
10899 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].text |
所以現在是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].start |
10899 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].end |
10901 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].text |
7月份以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].start |
10901 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].end |
10903 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].text |
7月份以後講的就是8月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].start |
10903 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].end |
10905 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].text |
8月1號之後才知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].start |
10905 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].end |
10907 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].text |
7月當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].start |
10907 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].end |
10909 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].text |
7月當中知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].start |
10909 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].end |
10911 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].text |
什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].start |
10911 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].end |
10913 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].text |
7月份當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].start |
10913 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].end |
10915 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].text |
當中是哪一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].start |
10915 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].end |
10917 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].text |
你早上還回答我嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].start |
10917 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].end |
10919 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].text |
7月28號是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].start |
10919 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].end |
10921 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].text |
國營司跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].start |
10921 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].end |
10923 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].text |
我們的政風有去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].start |
10923 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].end |
10925 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].text |
問的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].start |
10925 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].end |
10927 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].text |
7月到底是什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].start |
10927 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].end |
10929 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].text |
講不出來時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].start |
10929 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].end |
10931 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].text |
你什麼時候知道台糖這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].start |
10931 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].end |
10933 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].text |
7月28號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].start |
10933 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].end |
10935 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].text |
次長知道是什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].start |
10935 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].end |
10937 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].text |
次長今天有來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].start |
10937 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].end |
10939 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].text |
你不知道次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].start |
10939 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].end |
10941 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].text |
你覺得次長有可能比你早知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].start |
10941 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].end |
10943 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].text |
因為這中間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].start |
10943 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].end |
10945 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].text |
我去日本一趟 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].start |
10945 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].end |
10947 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].text |
你覺得次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].start |
10947 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].end |
10949 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].text |
有可能比你早知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].start |
10949 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].end |
10951 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].text |
你有可能被次長加空 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].start |
10951 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].end |
10953 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].text |
次長比較早知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].start |
10953 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].end |
10955 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].text |
你本人不知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].start |
10955 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].end |
10957 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].text |
所以你就是7月28號知道的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].start |
10957 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].end |
10959 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].text |
你7月28號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].start |
10959 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].end |
10961 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].text |
那你有沒有要報告行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].start |
10961 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].end |
10963 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].text |
你都要報告行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].start |
10963 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].end |
10965 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].text |
行政院長是比你更厲害的高官 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].start |
10965 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].end |
10967 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].text |
他能夠把整件事情做控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].start |
10967 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].end |
10969 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].text |
你現在巡台上完全都沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].start |
10969 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].end |
10971 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].text |
整件事情合法合規我為什麼要報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].start |
10971 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].end |
10973 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].text |
他不是你的長官 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].start |
10973 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].end |
10975 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].text |
什麼東西合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].start |
10975 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].end |
10977 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].text |
超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].start |
10977 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].end |
10979 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].text |
這個叫做合法合規嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].start |
10979 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].end |
10981 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].text |
這個產品來我們來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].start |
10981 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].end |
10983 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].text |
根據食安法第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].start |
10983 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].end |
10985 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].text |
食品業者發現產品有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].start |
10985 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].end |
10987 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].text |
危害衛生安全之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].start |
10987 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].end |
10989 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].text |
已經超過14.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].start |
10989 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].end |
10991 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].text |
還合法合規 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].start |
10991 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].end |
10993 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].text |
你不知道14.6所代表的意義嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].start |
10993 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].end |
10995 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].text |
這個還叫做合法合規嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].start |
10995 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].end |
10997 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].text |
這個叫合法合規嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].start |
10997 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].end |
10999 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].text |
這個對衛生安全沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].start |
10999 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].end |
11001 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].text |
我們跟地方政府已經解釋過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].start |
11001 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].end |
11003 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].text |
解釋過什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].start |
11003 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].end |
11005 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].text |
台南公司不是通報義務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].start |
11005 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].end |
11007 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].text |
台南公司不是通報義務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].start |
11007 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].end |
11009 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].text |
他是食品為什麼他不是通報義務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].start |
11009 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].end |
11011 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].text |
法庭是跟你們這樣無論解釋的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].start |
11011 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].end |
11013 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].text |
你們都在質詢台 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].start |
11013 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].end |
11015 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].text |
站在台中的理由嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].start |
11015 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].end |
11017 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].text |
好啦你就告訴我啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].start |
11017 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].end |
11019 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].text |
你是7月28號知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].start |
11019 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].end |
11021 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].text |
那你7月28號知道你有沒有告訴行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].start |
11021 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].end |
11023 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].text |
行政院長是比你更厲害的高官 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].start |
11023 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].end |
11025 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].text |
他可以出來對這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].start |
11025 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].end |
11027 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].text |
做一個評審 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].start |
11027 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].end |
11029 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].text |
那你現在你就是比行政院長更厲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].start |
11029 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].end |
11031 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].text |
就是了事情可以不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].start |
11031 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].end |
11033 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].text |
通報行政院長你沒有讓你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].start |
11033 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].end |
11035 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].text |
長官來做一個評審他怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].start |
11035 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].end |
11037 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].text |
去食安報告來跟國人來做一個詳細 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].start |
11037 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].end |
11039 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].text |
的說明反正你現在是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].start |
11039 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].end |
11041 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].text |
你現在是在不可以忽略你站的質詢台的位置 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].start |
11041 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].end |
11043 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].text |
也忽略到你的長官時從良的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].start |
11043 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].end |
11045 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].text |
這個存在嗎是這樣的意思嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].start |
11045 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].end |
11047 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].text |
是這樣的意思嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].start |
11047 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].end |
11049 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].text |
什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].start |
11049 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].end |
11051 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].text |
意思就是你沒有通報你的長官 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].start |
11051 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].end |
11053 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].text |
你沒有讓他對事情做一個評審 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].start |
11053 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].end |
11055 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].text |
他如果要下台也要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].start |
11055 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].end |
11057 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].text |
心理準備你都沒有讓人家知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].start |
11057 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].end |
11059 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].text |
原來我們台唐的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].start |
11059 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].end |
11061 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].text |
這個毒油事件的最新劇情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].start |
11061 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].end |
11063 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].text |
他要做危害的控管 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].start |
11063 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].end |
11065 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].text |
你不讓你的長官知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].start |
11065 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].end |
11067 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].text |
你不讓他知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].start |
11067 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].end |
11069 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].text |
合法合規的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].start |
11069 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].end |
11071 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].text |
今天八月九號你都沒有告訴他嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].start |
11071 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].end |
11073 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].text |
合法合規的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].start |
11073 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].end |
11075 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].text |
哪裡你超標已經十四點六 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].start |
11075 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].end |
11077 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].text |
還合法合規完全是睜眼說瞎話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].start |
11077 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].end |
11079 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].text |
好啦請問今天次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].start |
11079 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].end |
11081 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].text |
有沒有來LINE次長有沒有來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].start |
11081 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].end |
11083 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].text |
次長有來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].start |
11083 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].end |
11085 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].text |
不需要來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].start |
11085 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].end |
11087 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].text |
那我先告訴你你可能已經完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].start |
11087 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].end |
11089 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].text |
被掐空了因為你的次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].start |
11089 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].end |
11091 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].text |
上個禮拜八月五號質詢我的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].start |
11091 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].end |
11093 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].text |
說他七月九號就知道台唐 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].start |
11093 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].end |
11095 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].text |
事件了結果你到七月二十八號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].start |
11095 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].end |
11097 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].text |
才知道我真的覺得你完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].start |
11097 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].end |
11099 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].text |
已經被架空了完全沒有功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].start |
11099 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].end |
11101 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].text |
這個是一個客觀上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].start |
11101 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].end |
11103 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].text |
一個矩陣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].start |
11103 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].end |
11105 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].text |
而不是我自己的主觀感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].start |
11105 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].end |
11107 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].text |
你已經被經濟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].start |
11107 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].end |
11109 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].text |
矩陣你已經完全被 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].start |
11109 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].end |
11111 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].text |
架空了人家七月九號就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].start |
11111 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].end |
11113 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].text |
你七月二十八號才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].start |
11113 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].end |
11115 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].text |
好我告訴你反正對人民的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].start |
11115 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].end |
11117 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].text |
怒吼你也完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].start |
11117 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].end |
11119 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].text |
絲毫不為所動那我們就等 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].start |
11119 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].end |
11121 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].text |
下一次的劇情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].start |
11121 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].end |
11123 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].text |
就是可能人民要暴動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].start |
11123 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].end |
11125 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].text |
我最後講一句話對於這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].start |
11125 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].end |
11127 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].text |
站在質詢台上一問三不知的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].start |
11127 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].end |
11129 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].text |
部長我覺得是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].start |
11129 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].end |
11131 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].text |
台灣之悲哀 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].start |
11135 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].end |
11137 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].text |
好謝謝秋慧 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].start |
11137 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].end |
11139 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].text |
陸委員接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].start |
11139 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].end |
11141 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].text |
賴瑞榮賴瑞榮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].start |
11141 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].end |
11143 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].text |
賴瑞榮委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].start |
11143 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].end |
11145 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].text |
接下來我們請葉原子委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].start |
11153 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].end |
11155 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].text |
主席好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].start |
11155 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].end |
11157 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].text |
我們先請江志剛主長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].start |
11157 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].end |
11159 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].start |
11165 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].end |
11167 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].text |
好委員好蘇大華 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].start |
11167 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].end |
11169 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].text |
先跟你確定一件事喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].start |
11169 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].end |
11171 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].text |
八月七號那時候就傳出來您 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].start |
11171 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].end |
11173 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].text |
跟石崇良部長已經要請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].start |
11173 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].end |
11175 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].text |
然後行政院的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].start |
11175 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].end |
11177 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].text |
發言人說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].start |
11177 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].end |
11179 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].text |
沒有辦法代為發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].start |
11179 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].end |
11181 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].text |
所以大家都解讀包括民進黨立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].start |
11181 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].end |
11183 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].text |
都解讀說你們已經請辭了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].start |
11183 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].end |
11185 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].text |
然後昨天呢這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].start |
11185 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].end |
11187 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].text |
議題持續發酵 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].start |
11187 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].end |
11189 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].text |
衛福部呢回答也很曖昧說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].start |
11189 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].end |
11191 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].text |
不予回應不是說沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].start |
11191 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].end |
11193 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].text |
是說不予回應那行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].start |
11193 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].end |
11195 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].text |
的回覆是說沒有討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].start |
11195 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].end |
11197 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].text |
相關議題感覺上好像 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].start |
11197 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].end |
11199 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].text |
您跟石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].start |
11199 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].end |
11201 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].text |
已經請辭我跟你確認一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].start |
11201 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].end |
11203 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].text |
您請辭了嗎包委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].start |
11203 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].end |
11205 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].text |
我現在還在這邊上班 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].start |
11205 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].end |
11207 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].text |
你在這邊上班跟你請辭是兩件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].start |
11207 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].end |
11209 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].text |
不要耍嘴皮子你請辭了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].start |
11209 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].end |
11211 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].text |
上班就是持續吧還沒有做完的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].start |
11211 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].end |
11213 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].text |
那有沒有請辭你請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].start |
11213 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].end |
11215 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].text |
有可能還沒批啊或者是你請辭可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].start |
11215 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].end |
11217 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].text |
為了留一個禮拜你有沒有立出請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].start |
11217 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].end |
11219 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].text |
這個動作有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].start |
11219 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].end |
11221 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].text |
我想委員心裡面的答案跟我答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].start |
11221 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].end |
11223 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].text |
是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].start |
11223 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].end |
11225 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].text |
我沒有答案的那我也沒有答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].start |
11225 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].end |
11227 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].text |
那所以你有沒有動作不是答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].start |
11227 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].end |
11229 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].text |
不是不要浪費我的時間好不好你有沒有請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].start |
11229 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].end |
11231 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].text |
那麼晚回答喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].start |
11231 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].end |
11233 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].text |
今天請辭也代表是一個負責的表現 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].start |
11233 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].end |
11235 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].text |
我想這邊跟委員做進一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].start |
11235 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].end |
11237 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].text |
說明我來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].start |
11237 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].end |
11239 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].text |
有三件重要的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].start |
11239 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].end |
11241 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].text |
第一個堅持我對於食安的科學治理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].start |
11241 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].end |
11243 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].text |
這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].start |
11243 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].end |
11245 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].text |
這個是你上任的時候要講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].start |
11245 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].end |
11247 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].text |
我現在問你請辭就這麼簡單你答不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].start |
11247 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].end |
11249 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].text |
我覺得很重要的事情是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].start |
11249 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].end |
11251 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].text |
我們所有的堅持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].start |
11251 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].end |
11253 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].text |
我們所有同仁的尊嚴的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].start |
11253 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].end |
11255 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].text |
有沒有需要堅持下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].start |
11255 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].end |
11257 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].text |
所以我堅持還持續 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].start |
11257 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].end |
11259 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].text |
我看你回答這麼困難喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].start |
11259 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].end |
11261 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].text |
我想說應該是請辭了啦因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].start |
11261 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].end |
11263 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].text |
我剛剛前面有鋪陳嘛然後你剛剛意思說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].start |
11263 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].end |
11265 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].text |
答案跟我一樣我想說你應該請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].start |
11265 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].end |
11267 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].text |
那你可能答錯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].start |
11267 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].end |
11269 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].text |
喔那你就是沒請辭喔一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].start |
11269 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].end |
11271 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].text |
所以就沒有請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].start |
11271 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].end |
11273 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].text |
那你沒有請辭我就不懂為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].start |
11273 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].end |
11275 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].text |
謝謝委員可以住在我心裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].start |
11275 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].end |
11277 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].text |
沒有因為我說你請辭你說我答錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].start |
11277 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].end |
11279 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].text |
那不就沒請辭嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].start |
11279 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].end |
11281 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].text |
這時候這就是有跟沒有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].start |
11281 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].end |
11283 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].text |
這個我覺得大家的中文 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].start |
11283 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].end |
11285 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].text |
不用弄到那麼複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].start |
11285 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].end |
11287 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].text |
我說你沒請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].start |
11287 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].end |
11289 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].text |
你說我答錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].start |
11289 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].end |
11291 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].text |
我的去留最關心的是中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].start |
11291 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].end |
11293 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].text |
為什麼現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].start |
11293 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].end |
11295 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].text |
我強力的譴責我這邊去邀請全民 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].start |
11295 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].end |
11297 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].text |
一起來解決中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].start |
11297 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].end |
11299 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].text |
大家請問一下你要不要請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].start |
11299 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].end |
11303 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].text |
我要每一次答不出問題的時候就顧左右言他好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].start |
11303 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].end |
11305 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].text |
受不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].start |
11305 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].end |
11307 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].text |
那些官員每次來這邊都在這邊耍嘴皮子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].start |
11307 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].end |
11309 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].text |
受不了耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].start |
11309 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].end |
11311 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].text |
不然就說謊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].start |
11311 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].end |
11313 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].text |
我現在問你請問一下上個禮拜上上禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].start |
11313 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].end |
11315 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].text |
我在衛環委員會問石頭良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].start |
11315 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].end |
11317 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].text |
我問他說7月3號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].start |
11317 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].end |
11319 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].text |
討論食品下架會議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].start |
11319 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].end |
11321 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].text |
中聯的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].start |
11321 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].end |
11323 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].text |
有沒有從頭到尾待在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].start |
11323 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].end |
11325 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].text |
那他說沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].start |
11325 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].end |
11327 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].text |
因為他報告完 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].start |
11327 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].end |
11329 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].text |
復工的程序之後就離開了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].start |
11329 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].end |
11331 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].text |
回答沒有超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].start |
11331 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].end |
11333 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].text |
我問他立刻回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].start |
11333 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].end |
11335 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].text |
沒有吃一不到0.00001秒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].start |
11335 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].end |
11337 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].text |
那我當下就相信了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].start |
11337 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].end |
11339 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].text |
以為中聯的人報告完復工程序就離開 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].start |
11339 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].end |
11341 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].text |
結果沒有想到上個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].start |
11341 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].end |
11343 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].text |
其他委員問你的時候你在現場嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].start |
11343 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].end |
11345 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].text |
7月3號食安會你在現場嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].start |
11345 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].end |
11347 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].start |
11347 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].end |
11349 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].text |
7月3號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].start |
11349 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].end |
11351 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].text |
7月4號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].start |
11351 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].end |
11353 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].text |
我說7月4號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].start |
11353 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].end |
11355 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].text |
拜託主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].start |
11355 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].end |
11357 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].text |
我們請官員不要在那邊皮子樣好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].start |
11357 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].end |
11359 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].text |
我們現在討論是攸關食安重要議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].start |
11359 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].end |
11361 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].text |
連衛福部的食安署長都在那邊耍皮子喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].start |
11361 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].end |
11363 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].text |
國安都在看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].start |
11363 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].end |
11365 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].text |
你遇到回答不出來的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].start |
11365 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].end |
11367 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].text |
你就只能用耍皮子的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].start |
11367 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].end |
11369 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].text |
來迴避 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].start |
11369 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].end |
11371 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].text |
這就是官 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].start |
11371 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].end |
11373 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].text |
7月4號嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].start |
11373 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].end |
11375 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].text |
你在嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].start |
11375 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].end |
11377 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].text |
那請問一下中聯的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].start |
11377 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].end |
11379 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].text |
他有報告完復工程序就離開嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].start |
11379 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].end |
11381 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].text |
跟委員報告完 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].start |
11381 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].end |
11383 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].text |
他有沒有聽到你們在討論食品下架標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].start |
11383 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].end |
11385 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].start |
11385 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].end |
11387 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].text |
我們把整體的所有的內容都已經公開給全國 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].start |
11387 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].end |
11389 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].text |
不是我問你問題你回答就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].start |
11389 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].end |
11391 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].text |
你不要再扯別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].start |
11391 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].end |
11393 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].text |
中聯的人是不是在現場就直接聽到你們在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].start |
11393 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].end |
11395 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].text |
下架標準有沒有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].start |
11395 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].end |
11397 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].text |
我想我們討論跟他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].start |
11397 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].end |
11399 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].text |
有沒有在現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].start |
11399 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].end |
11401 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].text |
我們持續在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].start |
11401 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].end |
11403 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].text |
有沒有在現場根據歐盟的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].start |
11403 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].end |
11405 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].text |
跟好標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].start |
11405 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].end |
11407 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].text |
報告報告報告報告報告主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].start |
11407 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].end |
11409 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].text |
你會不會約束一下這個官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].start |
11409 |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].end |
11411 |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].text |
我問他的問題他一直扯別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].start |
11411 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].end |
11413 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].text |
這樣子你給我20分鐘都不夠啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].start |
11413 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].end |
11415 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].text |
大家全部靠在這邊啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].start |
11415 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].end |
11417 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].text |
那個據實的回答好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].start |
11417 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].end |
11419 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].text |
中聯的人你們在討論下架標準的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].start |
11419 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].end |
11421 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].text |
他在不在現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].start |
11421 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].end |
11423 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].text |
在不在在或不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].start |
11423 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].end |
11425 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].text |
容我說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].start |
11425 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].end |
11427 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].text |
你回答在或不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].start |
11427 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].end |
11429 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].text |
我們從頭到尾都有在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].start |
11429 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].end |
11431 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].text |
所以時常人說謊嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].start |
11431 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].end |
11433 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].text |
一個衛福部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].start |
11433 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].end |
11435 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].text |
一個衛福部長可以在國會電臺公然說謊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].start |
11435 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].end |
11437 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].text |
所以時常人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].start |
11437 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].end |
11439 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].text |
我猜可能他是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].start |
11439 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].end |
11441 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].text |
說謊辭職 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].start |
11441 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].end |
11443 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].text |
那部長我現在問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].start |
11443 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].end |
11445 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].text |
你後來講說7月4號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].start |
11445 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].end |
11447 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].text |
那個下架標準20%不用下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].start |
11447 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].end |
11449 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].text |
是您的決策嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].start |
11449 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].end |
11451 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].text |
你有說過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].start |
11451 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].end |
11453 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].text |
你有說過嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].start |
11453 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].end |
11455 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].text |
那專家因為主持人我們都看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].start |
11455 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].end |
11457 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].text |
主持人我們都看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].start |
11457 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].end |
11459 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].text |
有的專家是講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].start |
11459 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].end |
11461 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].text |
不用耍嘴皮子好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].start |
11461 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].end |
11463 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].text |
真的受不了耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].start |
11463 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].end |
11465 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].text |
各位網友如果你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].start |
11465 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].end |
11467 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].text |
全國的民眾如果有在看的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].start |
11467 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].end |
11469 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].text |
這就是我們的官 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].start |
11469 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].end |
11471 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].text |
答不出問題的時候就在那邊耍嘴皮子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].start |
11471 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].end |
11473 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].text |
我在講很嚴肅的食安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].start |
11473 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].end |
11475 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].text |
你在跟我幹嘛跟我抬槓喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].start |
11475 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].end |
11477 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].text |
誰教你的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].start |
11477 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].end |
11479 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].text |
是卓文泰教你的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].start |
11479 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].end |
11481 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].text |
是卓文泰教你的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].start |
11481 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].end |
11483 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].text |
我在跟你討論食安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].start |
11483 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].end |
11485 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].text |
在跟我抬槓 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].start |
11485 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].end |
11487 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].text |
有兩個專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].start |
11487 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].end |
11489 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].text |
一個G專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].start |
11489 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].end |
11491 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].text |
他講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].start |
11491 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].end |
11493 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].text |
定20%就會定於容許值 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].start |
11493 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].end |
11495 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].text |
G專家講了對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].start |
11495 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].end |
11497 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].text |
還有一個另外一個E專家講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].start |
11497 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].end |
11499 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].text |
如果只考慮比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].start |
11499 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].end |
11501 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].text |
而沒有考慮到劑量的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].start |
11501 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].end |
11503 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].text |
因為他舉了一個膠囊的例子跟一個面的例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].start |
11503 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].end |
11505 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].text |
你使用不同的劑量 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].start |
11505 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].end |
11507 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].text |
他所使用到的粉填皮就會不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].start |
11507 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].end |
11509 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].text |
有吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].start |
11509 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].end |
11511 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].text |
這個會議紀錄上面有這樣寫吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].start |
11511 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].end |
11513 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].text |
有這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].start |
11513 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].end |
11515 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].text |
有這樣子那我就很好奇啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].start |
11515 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].end |
11517 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].text |
如果我們今天針對食安標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].start |
11517 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].end |
11519 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].text |
我們會採取零容忍的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].start |
11519 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].end |
11521 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].text |
這也是民進黨一直跟大家講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].start |
11521 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].end |
11523 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].text |
食安五環食安零容忍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].start |
11523 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].end |
11525 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].text |
結果剛你召開一個食安會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].start |
11525 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].end |
11527 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].text |
有的專家認為20%就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].start |
11527 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].end |
11529 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].text |
有的專家認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].start |
11529 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].end |
11531 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].text |
這20%沒有考慮到劑量 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].start |
11531 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].end |
11533 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].text |
可能還是有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].start |
11533 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].end |
11535 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].text |
結果署長在拍板定案的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].start |
11535 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].end |
11537 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].text |
忽略了對食安比較重視的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].start |
11537 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].end |
11539 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].text |
反而聽信了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].start |
11539 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].end |
11541 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].text |
對食安比較寬鬆的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].start |
11541 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].end |
11543 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].text |
我不知道為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].start |
11543 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].end |
11545 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].text |
署長您對於食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].start |
11545 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].end |
11547 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].text |
是這樣子的態度吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].start |
11547 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].end |
11549 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].text |
可是容許我現在給您一步回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].start |
11549 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].end |
11551 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].text |
這個扁平皮8.1PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].start |
11551 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].end |
11553 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].text |
按照我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].start |
11553 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].end |
11555 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].text |
所謂的暴露 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].start |
11555 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].end |
11557 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].text |
算起來的Margin of Social MOE |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].start |
11557 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].end |
11559 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].text |
大於一萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].start |
11559 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].end |
11561 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].text |
他是可忽略的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].start |
11561 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].end |
11563 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].text |
更何況呢下降到20% |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].start |
11563 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].end |
11565 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].text |
從科學上面他是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].start |
11565 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].end |
11567 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].text |
但是安全跟安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].start |
11567 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].end |
11569 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].text |
我了解國人對於食品的安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].start |
11569 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].end |
11571 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].text |
需要我更多的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].start |
11571 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].end |
11573 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].text |
更多的溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].start |
11573 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].end |
11575 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].text |
所以這個過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].start |
11575 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].end |
11577 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].text |
MOE這件事情相當的複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].start |
11577 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].end |
11579 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].text |
有機會可以上課 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].start |
11579 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].end |
11581 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].text |
這個我都聽過啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].start |
11581 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].end |
11583 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].text |
所以可忽略的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].start |
11583 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].end |
11585 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].text |
署長你的意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].start |
11585 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].end |
11587 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].text |
食安的專報就是食安專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].start |
11587 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].end |
11589 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].text |
來各合言而至 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].start |
11589 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].end |
11591 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].text |
反正你心中有定見嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].start |
11591 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].end |
11593 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].text |
最後就是你來拍板擺這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].start |
11593 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].end |
11595 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].text |
因為我現在問你的問題是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].start |
11595 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].end |
11597 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].text |
那麼多食安專家在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].start |
11597 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].end |
11599 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].text |
結果你只聽信了那些對食安標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].start |
11599 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].end |
11601 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].text |
比較寬鬆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].start |
11601 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].end |
11603 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].text |
就忽略了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].start |
11603 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].end |
11605 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].text |
結果你講的是你自己的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].start |
11605 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].end |
11607 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].text |
你自己就有這個定見 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].start |
11607 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].end |
11609 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].text |
20%就是你將至剛定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].start |
11609 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].end |
11611 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].text |
那如果是這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].start |
11611 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].end |
11613 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].text |
總統為什麼在六天後發文 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].start |
11613 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].end |
11615 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].text |
說該下降就下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].start |
11615 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].end |
11617 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].text |
所以是總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].start |
11617 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].end |
11619 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].text |
沒有聽信你的專業意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].start |
11619 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].end |
11621 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].text |
各位報告全世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].start |
11621 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].end |
11623 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].text |
獨立的專家應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].start |
11623 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].end |
11625 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].text |
比較偏向MOE |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].start |
11625 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].end |
11627 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].text |
這個我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].start |
11627 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].end |
11629 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].text |
7月4號專家會議開完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].start |
11629 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].end |
11631 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].text |
大家也都聽到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].start |
11631 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].end |
11633 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].text |
那麼多專家表達意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].start |
11633 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].end |
11635 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].text |
署長的意思就是以自己的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].start |
11635 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].end |
11637 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].text |
有啊你剛剛就是用你自己的意見在講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].start |
11637 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].end |
11639 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].text |
我剛剛問你說那麼多專家不同意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].start |
11639 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].end |
11641 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].text |
為什麼你採用了那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].start |
11641 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].end |
11643 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].text |
居專家意見你說沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].start |
11643 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].end |
11645 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].text |
講一大堆你的自己的意見啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].start |
11645 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].end |
11647 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].text |
所以你就是自己來判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].start |
11647 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].end |
11649 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].text |
20%應該下架嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].start |
11649 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].end |
11651 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].text |
謝謝署長請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].start |
11651 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].end |
11653 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].text |
那我現在請經濟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].start |
11653 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].end |
11655 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].text |
部長希望你不要跟那個署長一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].start |
11655 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].end |
11657 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].text |
我們就是認識討論問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].start |
11657 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].end |
11659 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].text |
不會加分啊不會對民進黨政府加分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].start |
11659 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].end |
11661 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].text |
那個部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].start |
11661 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].end |
11663 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].text |
我今天早上聽了很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].start |
11663 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].end |
11665 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].text |
民黨立委用了各式各樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].start |
11665 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].end |
11667 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].text |
的比喻啊比喻說台湯到底要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].start |
11667 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].end |
11669 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].text |
我其實也是覺得很匪夷所思 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].start |
11669 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].end |
11671 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].text |
有一位立委講說偽鈔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].start |
11671 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].end |
11673 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].text |
要通報什麼黃金存度不足就不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].start |
11673 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].end |
11675 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].text |
黃金存度不足是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].start |
11675 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].end |
11677 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].text |
會影響到什麼食安的問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].start |
11677 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].end |
11679 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].text |
還是黃金存度不足你 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].start |
11679 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].end |
11681 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].text |
買了之後會影響到什麼市場秩序的問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].start |
11681 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].end |
11683 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].text |
現在大家在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].start |
11683 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].end |
11685 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].text |
討論這個問題為什麼在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].start |
11685 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].end |
11687 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].text |
原料為什麼要採用高標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].start |
11687 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].end |
11689 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].text |
如果驗出來本便品稍不要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].start |
11689 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].end |
11691 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].text |
就是因為大家可能會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].start |
11691 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].end |
11693 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].text |
讓人家吃到肚子裡面會影響到健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].start |
11693 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].end |
11695 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].text |
所以不要再用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].start |
11695 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].end |
11697 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].text |
不倫不類的比喻了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].start |
11697 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].end |
11699 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].text |
那我覺得經濟部我們知道部長您 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].start |
11699 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].end |
11701 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].text |
這個貼文在PO出來之前你有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].start |
11701 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].end |
11703 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].text |
看過啦我們來看一下你的貼文 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].start |
11703 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].end |
11705 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].text |
一開始的時候經濟部為了幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].start |
11705 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].end |
11707 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].text |
台湯護航說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].start |
11707 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].end |
11709 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].text |
再次再次證實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].start |
11709 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].end |
11711 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].text |
這個要讓客人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].start |
11711 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].end |
11713 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].text |
安心從原料到產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].start |
11713 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].end |
11715 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].text |
台湯都是用高標準自我檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].start |
11715 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].end |
11717 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].text |
自己的好寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].start |
11717 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].end |
11719 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].text |
然後後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].start |
11719 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].end |
11721 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].text |
在下午不到一個多小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].start |
11721 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].end |
11723 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].text |
就把它改了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].start |
11723 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].end |
11725 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].text |
改成說再次提醒什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].start |
11725 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].end |
11727 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].text |
要讓客人安心從原料到產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].start |
11727 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].end |
11729 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].text |
台湯都是用高標準自我檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].start |
11729 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].end |
11731 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].text |
自己的壞 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].start |
11731 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].end |
11733 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].text |
的乖寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].start |
11733 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].end |
11735 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].text |
所以那個大家就開始討論了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].start |
11735 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].end |
11737 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].text |
請問一下好寶寶跟乖寶寶差別在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].start |
11737 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].end |
11739 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].text |
部長我問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].start |
11739 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].end |
11741 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].text |
這個從好寶寶改到乖寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].start |
11741 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].end |
11743 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].text |
是為了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].start |
11743 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].end |
11745 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].text |
然後好寶寶是什麼意思乖寶寶什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].start |
11745 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].end |
11747 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].text |
我就就這個個案上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].start |
11747 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].end |
11749 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].text |
報告委員因為我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].start |
11749 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].end |
11751 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].text |
知道就是說台湯公司是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].start |
11751 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].end |
11753 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].text |
依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].start |
11753 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].end |
11755 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].text |
按照相關的規定管理他們有SOP |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].start |
11755 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].end |
11757 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].text |
不是啦我問你好寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].start |
11757 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].end |
11759 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].text |
為什麼要把好寶寶改成乖寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].start |
11759 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].end |
11761 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].text |
差別在哪就是主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].start |
11761 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].end |
11763 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].text |
的要求他們通通有達到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].start |
11763 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].end |
11765 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].text |
所以是很好還是乖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].start |
11765 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].end |
11767 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].text |
很乖那為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].start |
11767 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].end |
11769 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].text |
不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].start |
11769 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].end |
11771 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].text |
也很好也很乖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].start |
11771 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].end |
11773 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].text |
那為什麼好寶寶要變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].start |
11773 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].end |
11775 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].text |
改成乖寶寶你應該改成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].start |
11775 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].end |
11777 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].text |
好寶寶跟乖寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].start |
11777 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].end |
11779 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].text |
然後乖寶寶你的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].start |
11779 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].end |
11781 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].text |
是說主管機關有要求他有做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].start |
11781 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].end |
11783 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].text |
所以很乖但是不夠好是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].start |
11783 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].end |
11785 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].text |
他不夠主動我們下次就再把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].start |
11785 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].end |
11787 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].text |
改成好家乖好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].start |
11787 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].end |
11789 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].text |
那你這次改的意思是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].start |
11789 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].end |
11791 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].text |
我們想要了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].start |
11791 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].end |
11793 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].text |
經濟部做為一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].start |
11793 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].end |
11795 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].text |
官就是我們行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].start |
11795 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].end |
11797 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].text |
下面這麼大部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].start |
11797 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].end |
11799 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].text |
一個字當然國人都想要知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].start |
11799 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].end |
11801 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].text |
當你用詞箝制你的意思是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].start |
11801 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].end |
11803 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].text |
好改成乖是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].start |
11803 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].end |
11805 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].text |
乖你剛剛講了啦乖是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].start |
11805 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].end |
11807 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].text |
主管機關的要求都有做到啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].start |
11807 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].end |
11809 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].text |
那好咧而且你把好改成乖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].start |
11809 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].end |
11811 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].text |
沒有那麼好但是有點乖是這個意思嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].start |
11813 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].end |
11815 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].text |
重點還是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].start |
11815 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].end |
11817 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].text |
不是重點因為你 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].start |
11817 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].end |
11819 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].text |
你們的貼文就是你們的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].start |
11819 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].end |
11821 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].text |
你們的立場今天如果是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].start |
11821 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].end |
11823 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].text |
不是經濟他粉專不是經濟 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].start |
11823 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].end |
11825 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].text |
部他是經濟部之友 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].start |
11825 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].end |
11827 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].text |
或者是經濟部的什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].start |
11827 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].end |
11829 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].text |
我們就沒有人會拿來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].start |
11829 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].end |
11831 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].text |
經濟部其實就是你講的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].start |
11831 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].end |
11833 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].text |
因為你是部長啦經濟部就是你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].start |
11833 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].end |
11835 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].text |
像總統臉書大家就認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].start |
11835 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].end |
11837 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].text |
是總統講的嘛不會認為是總統小編講的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].start |
11837 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].end |
11839 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].text |
所以我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].start |
11839 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].end |
11841 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].text |
這個到底是要幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].start |
11841 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].end |
11843 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].text |
後面那個我覺得更荒謬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].start |
11843 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].end |
11845 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].text |
這個部長你也看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].start |
11845 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].end |
11847 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].text |
一開始的時候講說食人議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].start |
11847 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].end |
11849 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].text |
很多人把官但是通報義務不要無限上綱 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].start |
11849 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].end |
11851 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].text |
上綱 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].start |
11851 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].end |
11853 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].text |
若餐廳去菜市場買菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].start |
11853 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].end |
11855 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].text |
要求採購人員把看到所有的爛菜都要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].start |
11855 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].end |
11857 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].text |
這是檢舉達人做的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].start |
11857 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].end |
11859 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].text |
不是食品業者的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].start |
11859 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].end |
11861 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].text |
就是說如果看到爛菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].start |
11861 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].end |
11863 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].text |
要去檢舉是檢舉達人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].start |
11863 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].end |
11865 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].text |
不是食品業者然後後來又把 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].start |
11865 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].end |
11867 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].text |
檢舉達人這幾個字改掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].start |
11867 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].end |
11869 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].start |
11869 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].end |
11871 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].text |
還是一樣就是說食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].start |
11871 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].end |
11873 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].text |
餐廳去買菜如果看到爛菜是不用通報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].start |
11873 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].end |
11875 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].text |
那你們是不是一開始覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].start |
11875 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].end |
11877 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].text |
拿檢舉達人來比喻 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].start |
11877 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].end |
11879 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].text |
不倫不類是不是後來就把它改掉是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].start |
11879 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].end |
11881 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].text |
八委員剛開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].start |
11881 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].end |
11883 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].text |
當然是用比喻的方法希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].start |
11883 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].end |
11885 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].text |
簡單的讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].start |
11885 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].end |
11887 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].text |
一般民眾可以了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].start |
11887 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].end |
11889 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].text |
那你幹嘛改 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].start |
11889 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].end |
11891 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].text |
但是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].start |
11891 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].end |
11893 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].text |
如果最終還是要回歸到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].start |
11893 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].end |
11895 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].text |
這個法律跟法條上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].start |
11895 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].end |
11897 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].text |
這個解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].start |
11897 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].end |
11899 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].text |
那你後來講的這個什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].start |
11899 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].end |
11901 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].text |
爛菜我也覺得不妥為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].start |
11901 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].end |
11903 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].text |
因為爛菜吃了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].start |
11903 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].end |
11905 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].text |
吃了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].start |
11905 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].end |
11907 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].text |
不會有我們講的什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].start |
11907 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].end |
11909 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].text |
生癌症的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].start |
11909 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].end |
11911 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].text |
那我舉這個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].start |
11911 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].end |
11913 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].text |
我覺得大家不要再用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].start |
11913 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].end |
11915 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].text |
不倫不類的比喻在那邊講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].start |
11915 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].end |
11917 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].text |
今天之前食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].start |
11917 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].end |
11919 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].text |
它其實很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].start |
11919 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].end |
11921 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].text |
就是要求業者自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].start |
11921 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].end |
11923 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].text |
為什麼呢因為每一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].start |
11923 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].end |
11925 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].text |
那麼多食品業者生產那麼多的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].start |
11925 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].end |
11927 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].text |
生產那麼多的食品如果你要地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].start |
11927 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].end |
11929 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].text |
全部都用普查的方式來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].start |
11929 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].end |
11931 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].text |
防止有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].start |
11931 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].end |
11933 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].text |
癌症的東西出來的話是不可能的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].start |
11933 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].end |
11935 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].text |
所以用抽查但是主要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].start |
11935 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].end |
11937 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].text |
是靠業者自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].start |
11937 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].end |
11939 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].text |
以前精神是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].start |
11939 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].end |
11941 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].text |
因為你不可能全部都是抽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].start |
11941 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].end |
11943 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].text |
不然就變普查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].start |
11943 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].end |
11945 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].text |
還有一個重點就是要靠上中下游的相互 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].start |
11945 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].end |
11947 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].text |
簽字譬如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].start |
11947 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].end |
11949 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].text |
下游的買到上游的東西一驗發現說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].start |
11949 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].end |
11951 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].text |
有問題馬上通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].start |
11951 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].end |
11953 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].text |
互相簽字 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].start |
11953 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].end |
11955 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].text |
那台南這個問題為什麼大家認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].start |
11955 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].end |
11957 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].text |
他沒有通報是一個很大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].start |
11957 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].end |
11959 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].text |
因為你們都完全不了解大家在講什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].start |
11959 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].end |
11961 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].text |
問題就是其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].start |
11961 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].end |
11963 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].text |
他就是上中下游的一環 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].start |
11963 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].end |
11965 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].text |
他今天有買到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].start |
11965 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].end |
11967 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].text |
脫膠原油或什麼最後不是食品的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].start |
11967 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].end |
11969 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].text |
那你驗出來本便品超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].start |
11969 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].end |
11971 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].text |
實際上通 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].start |
11971 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].end |
11973 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].text |
如果有通報的話大家就多一層安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].start |
11973 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].end |
11975 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].text |
而且剛剛我聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].start |
11975 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].end |
11977 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].text |
其他委員在質詢台湯的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].start |
11977 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].end |
11979 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].text |
確實證明了一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].start |
11979 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].end |
11981 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].text |
就是以前買的脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].start |
11981 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].end |
11983 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].text |
都沒有本便品超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].start |
11983 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].end |
11985 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].text |
但這次買的就有超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].start |
11985 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].end |
11987 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].text |
超標的好像七倍還八倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].start |
11987 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].end |
11989 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].text |
非常高就已經很不尋常了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].start |
11989 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].end |
11991 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].text |
然後事實也證明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].start |
11991 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].end |
11993 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].text |
這一次確實中聯所 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].start |
11993 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].end |
11995 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].text |
生產出來的那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].start |
11995 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].end |
11997 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].text |
不管是精油也好食品也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].start |
11997 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].end |
11999 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].text |
都有一些就有本便品超標可能是原料的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].start |
11999 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].end |
12001 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].text |
所以你有沒有發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].start |
12001 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].end |
12003 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].text |
如果這一次台湯五月中的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].start |
12003 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].end |
12005 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].text |
有通報的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].start |
12005 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].end |
12007 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].text |
實際上大家很可能就根據這個線索 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].start |
12007 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].end |
12009 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].text |
去查到了中聯其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].start |
12009 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].end |
12011 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].text |
油可能有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].start |
12011 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].end |
12013 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].text |
就可以讓大家少吃很多天的本便品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].start |
12013 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].end |
12015 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].text |
所以這個問題重點在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].start |
12015 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].end |
12017 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].text |
結果我每次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].start |
12017 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].end |
12019 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].text |
我看到很多委員都在質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].start |
12019 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].end |
12021 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].text |
部長或是外服部都在玩明治 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].start |
12021 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].end |
12023 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].text |
文字遊戲都在那邊講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].start |
12023 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].end |
12025 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].text |
這個到底是不是算原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].start |
12025 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].end |
12027 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].text |
這不是食品的原料原料是大豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].start |
12027 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].end |
12029 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].text |
它是脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].start |
12029 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].end |
12031 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].text |
全部都在講文字遊戲 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].start |
12031 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].end |
12033 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].text |
你有把人民的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].start |
12033 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].end |
12035 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].text |
放在心裡嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].start |
12035 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].end |
12037 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].text |
如果你多做一點事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].start |
12037 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].end |
12039 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].text |
人民就少吃非常多天的本便品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].start |
12041 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].end |
12043 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].text |
所以你們現在還是一直 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].start |
12043 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].end |
12045 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].text |
我們要做更好我們要怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].start |
12045 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].end |
12047 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].text |
我覺得大家真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].start |
12047 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].end |
12049 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].text |
我覺得大家真的會看不下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].start |
12049 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].end |
12051 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].text |
然後更不要說台湯是國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].start |
12051 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].end |
12053 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].text |
國營政府是一體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].start |
12053 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].end |
12055 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].text |
部長請你回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].start |
12055 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].end |
12057 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].text |
八位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].start |
12057 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].end |
12059 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].text |
台湯查到311油桶 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].start |
12059 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].end |
12061 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].text |
基本上已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].start |
12061 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].end |
12063 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].text |
簽封起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].start |
12063 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].end |
12065 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].text |
現在還在中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].start |
12065 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].end |
12067 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].text |
那一批基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].start |
12067 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].end |
12069 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].text |
那一個是後話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].start |
12069 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].end |
12071 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].text |
那如果中聯把它賣出去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].start |
12071 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].end |
12073 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].text |
賣出去的話中聯就有很大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].start |
12073 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].end |
12075 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].text |
所以它 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].start |
12075 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].end |
12077 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].text |
所以它沒有賣出去到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].start |
12077 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].end |
12079 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].text |
你不用結果論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].start |
12079 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].end |
12081 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].text |
因為它沒賣所以沒差 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].start |
12081 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].end |
12083 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].text |
但是如果中聯把它賣你剛剛就說有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].start |
12083 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].end |
12085 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].text |
所以台湯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].start |
12085 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].end |
12087 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].text |
就是應該通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].start |
12087 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].end |
12089 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].text |
不管它有沒有賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].start |
12089 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].end |
12091 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].text |
因為它有可能會賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].start |
12091 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].end |
12093 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].text |
所以台湯就是應該通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].start |
12093 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].end |
12095 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].text |
上中下游就是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].start |
12095 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].end |
12097 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].text |
互相簽字 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].start |
12097 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].end |
12099 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].text |
因為中聯它 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].start |
12099 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].end |
12101 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].text |
被認為它有超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].start |
12101 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].end |
12103 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].text |
就是有比較高的情況下它有幾種方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].start |
12103 |
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12105 |
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第一個它可以不要用使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].start |
12105 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].end |
12107 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].text |
第二個它經驗過程可以多幾道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].start |
12107 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].end |
12109 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].text |
那成本差很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].start |
12109 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].end |
12111 |
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所以為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].start |
12111 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].end |
12113 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].text |
台湯公司不願意接受 |
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12113 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].end |
12115 |
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因為它這樣的一個標準 |
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12115 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].end |
12117 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].text |
它在經驗過程當中要花很多很多的成本進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].start |
12117 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].end |
12119 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].start |
12119 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].end |
12121 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].text |
我都知道這個我不能放 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].start |
12121 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].end |
12123 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].text |
我覺得不要讓它回去你回答別人都這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].start |
12123 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].end |
12125 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].text |
但是我覺得關鍵是你有沒有發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].start |
12125 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].end |
12127 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].text |
它 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].start |
12127 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].end |
12129 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].text |
台湯以前都沒有買過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].start |
12129 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].end |
12131 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].text |
等頻比超標這麼高的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].start |
12131 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].end |
12133 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].text |
對不對剛剛台湯講的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].start |
12133 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].end |
12135 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].start |
12135 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].end |
12137 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].text |
這一次它買到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].start |
12137 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].end |
12139 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].text |
它退回去了不關我的事反正我不用就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].start |
12139 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].end |
12141 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].text |
據說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].start |
12141 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].end |
12143 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].text |
它據說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].start |
12143 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].end |
12145 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].text |
這就不關我的事了反正我沒用就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].start |
12145 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].end |
12147 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].text |
可是你有沒有發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].start |
12147 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].end |
12149 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].text |
實際上整批不是只有這一桶 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].start |
12149 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].end |
12151 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].text |
整批 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].start |
12151 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].end |
12153 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].text |
整批的中聯的有意大利出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].start |
12153 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].end |
12155 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].text |
所以如果台湯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].start |
12155 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].end |
12157 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].text |
台湯一個五月多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].start |
12157 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].end |
12159 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].text |
就有通報的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].start |
12159 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].end |
12161 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].text |
實際上搞不好讓政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].start |
12161 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].end |
12163 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].text |
去追查就可以防止 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].start |
12163 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].end |
12165 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].text |
這麼多有問題的有流入市面讓民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].start |
12165 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].end |
12167 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].text |
吃到了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].start |
12167 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].end |
12169 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].text |
所以你今天一直在講台湯好寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].start |
12169 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].end |
12171 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].text |
台湯就不夠好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].start |
12171 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].end |
12173 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].text |
如果它更好一點的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].start |
12173 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].end |
12175 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].text |
它就通報就可以讓大家不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].start |
12175 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].end |
12177 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].text |
吃到本便皮嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].start |
12177 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].end |
12179 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].text |
而不是還需要經濟部出來發這種奇怪的文 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].start |
12179 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].end |
12181 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].text |
所以請你們跟台湯講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].start |
12181 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].end |
12183 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].text |
好不好這個這一次國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].start |
12183 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].end |
12185 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].text |
做個好寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].start |
12185 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].end |
12187 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].text |
幫助大家不要吃到本便皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].start |
12187 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].end |
12189 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].text |
一驗到原料就通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].start |
12189 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].end |
12191 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].text |
我們就不用這些問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].start |
12191 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].end |
12193 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].text |
謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].start |
12193 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].end |
12195 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6356].start |
12195 |
| transcript.whisperx[6356].end |
12197 |
| transcript.whisperx[6356].text |
謝謝原子委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].start |
12199 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].end |
12201 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].text |
登記發言的委員除不在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].start |
12201 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].end |
12203 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].text |
外區已經發言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].start |
12203 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].end |
12205 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].text |
詢答結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[6360].start |
12205 |
| transcript.whisperx[6360].end |
12207 |
| transcript.whisperx[6360].text |
委員徐新穎陳庭飛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].start |
12207 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].end |
12209 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].text |
邱毅穎傅坤琦陳超明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6362].start |
12209 |
| transcript.whisperx[6362].end |
12211 |
| transcript.whisperx[6362].text |
鄭政前張家俊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].start |
12211 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].end |
12213 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].text |
賴瑞蓉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6364].start |
12213 |
| transcript.whisperx[6364].end |
12215 |
| transcript.whisperx[6364].text |
所提書面質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].start |
12215 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].end |
12217 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].text |
列入紀錄刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].start |
12217 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].end |
12219 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].text |
書面質詢和未集答覆部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].start |
12219 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].end |
12221 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].text |
請相關單位一週內 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].start |
12221 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].end |
12223 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].text |
以書面答覆並複製本會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].start |
12223 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].end |
12225 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].text |
委員令要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].start |
12225 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].end |
12227 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].text |
期限者從期鎖定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].start |
12227 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].end |
12229 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].text |
本日鎖定議程處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].start |
12229 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].end |
12231 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].text |
完畢謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].start |
12231 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].end |
12233 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].text |
現在散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].start |
12247 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].end |
12249 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].text |
散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].start |
12277 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].end |
12279 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].text |
散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].start |
12307 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].end |
12309 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].text |
散會 |