| IVOD_ID |
17651 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17651 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-05T08:38:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-05T11:07:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:28:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2026-08-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例」：(一)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例增訂第九十三條之四條文草案」案。(二)審查委員林楚茵等24人擬具「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第十八條之一條文修正草案」案。(三)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第六十九條條文修正草案」案。(四)審查委員李柏毅等20人擬具「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第十八條之一條文修正草案」案。(五)審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例部分條文修正草案」案。二、審查「香港澳門關係條例」：(一)繼續審查委員張宏陸等20人擬具「香港澳門關係條例第十四條、第十四條之一及第四十七條之一條文修正草案」案。(二)審查委員李柏毅等16人擬具「香港澳門關係條例部分條文修正草案」案。【僅詢答】） |
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請主任秘書報告出席人數 |
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報告委員會出席委員8人已足法定人數 |
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好 現在開會 請宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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農業部林業及自然保育署副署長黃靖晏 |
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農業部農村發展及水土保持署 |
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決定依登記發言委員 |
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2.委員張志倫 徐欣寧 林倩琪 |
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所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報 |
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請相關機關與一周內另以書面答復 |
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並複製本會 |
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1654.63 |
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討論事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
1654.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
1657.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
1.原住民族身份法等十一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
1657.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
1659.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
2.原住民族基本法等十五案 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
1659.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
1661.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
決議均另定期繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
1661.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
1664.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
通過臨時提案兩案 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
1668.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
1670.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
好 現在進行討論事項 請宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
1671.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
1672.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
對不起 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
1672.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
1676.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
請問各位委員 上次會議議事錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
1676.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
1677.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
有無錯誤或遺漏 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
1678.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
1680.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
好 那我們就確認議事錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
1680.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
1683.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那現在進行討論事項 請宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
1710.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
1713.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
第69條條文修正草案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
1713.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
1715.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
審查委員李柏毅等20人 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
1715.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
1718.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
擬具臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
1718.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
1722.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
第18條之一條文修正草案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
1722.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
1724.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
審查委員李柏毅等16人 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
1724.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
1727.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
擬具臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
1727.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
1729.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
部分條文修正草案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
1729.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
1732.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
審查香港澳門關係條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
1732.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
1735.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
繼續審查委員張鴻祿等20人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
1735.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
1739.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
香港澳門關係條例第14條第14條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
1739.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
1742.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
及第47條之一條文修正草案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
1742.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
1744.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
審查委員李柏毅等16人 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
1744.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
1746.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
擬具香港澳門關係條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
1746.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
1748.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
部分條文修正草案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
1748.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
1749.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
1753.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1756.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
首先介紹在場委員及列席官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
1756.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1758.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
張志綸委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
1759.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1760.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
王美惠委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1763.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1765.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
陸委會邱垂政主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1767.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1769.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
內政部移民署署長林弘恩 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1772.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1775.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
司法院法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1776.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1777.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
吳元耀法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1778.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1780.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
法務部參事謝志明 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1783.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1786.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
國安局第三處副處長陳副處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1790.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1791.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1791.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1798.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
本日議程所列討論事項及兩個法案合併巡達 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1799.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1802.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
請提案委員說明提案要旨 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1812.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1813.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1820.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1821.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1823.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1826.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1826.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1827.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1827.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1828.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1828.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1828.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1828.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1828.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1828.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1828.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1828.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1828.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1828.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1828.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1828.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1828.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1828.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1829.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1829.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1829.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1829.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1829.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1829.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1829.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1829.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1829.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1829.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1829.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1829.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1829.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1829.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1829.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1829.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1829.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1829.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1829.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1829.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1829.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1829.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1829.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
1829.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1830.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
1830.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1830.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
1830.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1830.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
1830.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1830.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
1830.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
1831.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1831.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1831.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
1831.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
1831.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
1831.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
1831.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
1831.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
1831.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
1831.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
1831.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
1831.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
1831.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
1831.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
1831.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
1831.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
1831.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
1831.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
1832.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
1832.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
1832.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
1832.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
1832.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
1832.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
1832.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
1832.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
1832.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
1832.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
1832.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
1832.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
1832.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
1832.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
1832.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
1832.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
1832.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
1832.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
1832.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
1832.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
1832.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
1832.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
1832.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
1832.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
1833.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
1833.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
1833.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
請提案委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
1835.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
1835.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
1837.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
1846.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
我來說明一下今天我提出的這個兩岸人民關係條例以及港岸條例的提案說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
1846.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
1853.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
現行的兩岸條例針對收容天數有150天的上限限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
1853.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
1855.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
就是暫雨收容15天 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
1855.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
1857.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
續雨收容45天 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
1857.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
1859.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
加上延長收容40天 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
1859.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
1864.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
那延長收容期滿可以申請延長收容50天 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
1864.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
1867.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
這樣加一加總共150天 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
1867.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
1871.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
那針對應該強制遣返而未遣返 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
1871.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
1877.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
一旦超過只能採收容替代處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
1877.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
1879.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
但是這一段時間內 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
1879.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
1884.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
他們理應該在規定的場所內等待被遣返 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
1884.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
1887.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
卻發生的到處趴趴走的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
1887.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
1892.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
所以甚至還在這段時間接受各種媒體的採訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
1892.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
1895.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
就是極其混亂 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
1895.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
1900.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
所以我們跟陸委會討論了這些內容之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
1900.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
1903.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
提出了這個修法版本裡面的內容包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
1903.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
1904.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
1904.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
1910.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
增訂違反收容替代處分的規定者得重新收容 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
1910.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
1915.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
收容期間重新計算不受150天的收容限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
1915.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
1916.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
1916.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
1921.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
申請再延長收容的事由增訂天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
1921.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
1923.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
疫情等不可抗力因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
1923.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
1932.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
以及大陸地區遲不接受反收收容人 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
1932.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
1933.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
第三 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
1933.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
1938.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
增訂入境面談及強制出境審查會時 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
1938.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
1941.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
得委任律師陪同出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
1941.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
1942.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
也就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
1943.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
1945.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
也是增加相關的人權的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
1945.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
1946.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
第四 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
1947.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
1950.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
提高預期居留的罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
1950.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
1953.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
增訂協助隱匿的罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
1953.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
1959.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
所以本次修法的目的是要補足現行兩岸人民及港澳關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
1959.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
1961.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
港澳條例的不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
1961.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
1964.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
使相關規定可以比照移民法 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
1964.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
1968.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
保障中國籍人士來台的權益的同時 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
1968.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
1971.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
那我們也希望可以避免違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
1971.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
1973.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
而因被遣返 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
1973.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
1977.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
但是利用這個收容的替代處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
1977.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
1978.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
持續破壞我國的法制 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
1978.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
1981.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
希望在這一次的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
1981.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
1985.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
可以得到委員會以及行政部門的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
1985.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
1987.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
最後舉一個例 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
1987.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
1991.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
曾經偷渡進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
1991.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
1994.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
台灣的中國的退役 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
1994.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
1997.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
軍方的退役的人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
1997.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
2002.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
他就是這個收容替代的國安漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
2002.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
2004.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
所以我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
2004.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
2007.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
比照相關的這些法制 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
2007.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
2009.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
比照相關的這些移民法 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
2009.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
2011.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
那可以補足國安的這個漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
2011.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
2012.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
謝謝以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
2013.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
2017.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
謝謝我們感謝蔡委員提供的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
2029.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
2032.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
我們請陸委會邱垂政主委報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
2042.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
2044.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
主席、各位委員、各位女士、各位先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
2044.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
2045.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
大家早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
2046.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
2050.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
今天貴文會召開審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
2050.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
2053.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
李柏毅等委員所提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
2053.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
2055.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
兩岸關係條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
2055.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
2057.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
2057.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
2059.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
及港澳關係條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
2059.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
2061.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
2061.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
2063.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
本人僅代表陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
2063.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
2066.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
列席說明如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
2067.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
2072.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
第一,為了與境外人士的人流管理的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
2073.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
2076.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
法則及相關的措施相銜接 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
2076.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
2081.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
我們提具兩岸條例及港澳條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
2081.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
2084.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
2084.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
2088.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
其中包括剛剛李委員、李召委所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
2088.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
2091.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
強制出境跟收容的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
2091.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
2094.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
首先我跟大家報告背景說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
2094.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
2098.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
這個112年6月28號 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
2098.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
2100.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
我們入出國移民法 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
2100.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
2103.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
已經有相關的包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
2103.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
2106.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
福爾人身自由的制度性保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
2106.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
2110.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
以及考量入出國移民相關的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
2110.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
2112.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
已經修正公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
2112.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
2115.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
為了與境外人士的人流管理程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
2115.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
2118.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
法則相關的措施相銜接 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
2118.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
2121.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
其實陸委會也已經提出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
2121.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
2126.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
兩岸條例跟港澳關係條例修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
2126.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
2129.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
目前行政院已審查完盡 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
2129.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
2134.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
但是內政部評估可能還有在修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
2134.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
2137.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
這個移民法相關的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
2137.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
2140.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
經整個行政院整體部門考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
2140.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
2142.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
為了節省立法成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
2142.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
2146.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
那麼避免兩岸條例短時間反覆修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
2146.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
2150.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
所以我們等移民法修正草案確定後 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
2150.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
2153.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
並同這兩次的這個修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
2153.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
2156.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
一次來完成這個修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
2156.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
2159.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
所以暫時沒有提出行政院版的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
2159.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
2162.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
請大家能夠諒解 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
2162.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
2164.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
第二個有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
2165.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
2170.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
李柏毅林楚英委員所提的兩岸條例修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
2170.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
2174.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
以及張宏祿委員所提的港澳條例修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
2174.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
2178.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
都是在保障當事人程序參與權 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
2178.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
2182.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
以及強化收容替代處分的安全管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
2183.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
2185.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
本會競表贊同 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
2185.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
2189 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
各位委員所提的修正草案版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
2189 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
2193.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
徵訂中國大陸人民經許可入境後進行面談 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
2193.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
2196.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
得委任律師在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
2196.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
2200.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
徵訂受強制出境處分的中國大陸人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
2200.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
2205.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
香港澳門居民得委任律師及同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
2205.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
2206.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
陳述意見程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
2206.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
2210.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
或是在審查會進行在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
2210.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
2211.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
那麼我們是贊成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
2211.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
2215.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
以及以天然災害疫情等不可抗命因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
2215.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
2218.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
作為向法院申請中國大陸人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
2218.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
2223.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
香港澳門居民延長收容事由及強化對 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
2223.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
2226.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
替代收人處分的安全管理等 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
2226.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
2232.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
細參照現行移民法第65條第36條第38條之4 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
2232.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
2235.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
以及第38條之8等相關規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
2235.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
2238.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
如果修法通過的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
2238.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
2241.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
實務上執行對外人事 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
2241.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
2244.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
還有鹿港澳人事軍採一致的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
2244.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
2246.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
本會也競表同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
2246.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
2249.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
至於將中國大陸相關機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
2249.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
2253.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
遲不接訪替代收容人事 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
2253.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
2258.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
作為再延長收容事由一結 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
2258.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
2262.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
考量近年來陸方有遲不接訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
2262.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
2265.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
置入入籍人事之情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
2265.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
2270.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
且制裁人員不乏是刑事犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
2272.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
2275.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
內政部移民署依現行規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
2275.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
2277.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
其收容期限屆滿前 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
2277.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
2280.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
作出收容替代處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
2280.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
2285.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
但是將這類人交付於國內的慈善團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
2285.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
2289.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
他們需要定期向移民署報到 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
2289.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
2291.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
但是人身安全拘束的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
2291.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
2294.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
不會像收容這個效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
2294.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
2299.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
恐怕會引起社會治安造成隱憂 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
2299.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
2303.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
為避免引發外界的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
2303.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
2308.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
本會支持委員所提的修法方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
2311.04 |
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我們考量境外外國人 |
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2313.28 |
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2318.08 |
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強制驅逐出國或收容的 |
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2318.72 |
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2322.08 |
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移民法相關條文已經修法公佈 |
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2322.08 |
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2324 |
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為確保國家安全 |
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2324 |
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2326.72 |
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以及使中國大陸人民港澳居民 |
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2326.72 |
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2329.2 |
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強制出境及收容的程序 |
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2329.2 |
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2332.72 |
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都能夠有相同的正當法律程序 |
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2332.72 |
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2334.48 |
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及人身自由的保障 |
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2334.48 |
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2336.72 |
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我們敬表支持 |
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2336.72 |
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2339.52 |
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也謝謝各位委員所提的兩岸條例 |
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2339.52 |
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2343.68 |
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跟港澳關係條例相關的修法草案 |
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2343.68 |
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2347.84 |
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本人再次感謝大家的努力 |
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2347.92 |
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2349.52 |
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詳細條文的部分 |
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2349.52 |
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2352.4 |
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等我們進入到逐條討論的時候 |
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2352.4 |
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2354.72 |
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再跟委員進一步交換意見 |
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2354.72 |
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2356.88 |
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謝謝各位委員 |
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2362.18 |
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2363.54 |
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好 其他單位報告 |
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2363.54 |
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2365.86 |
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請委員自行參閱並刊登公報 |
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2367.36 |
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2368.88 |
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現在進行詢答 |
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2368.88 |
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2372.48 |
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委員質詢前原例作幾點宣告 |
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2372.48 |
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2374.4 |
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為委員質詢時間 |
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2374.4 |
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2377.2 |
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本會委員5分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘 |
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2377.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
2379.2 |
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非本會委員5分鐘 |
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2379.2 |
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2382.8 |
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上午10點30分截止質詢登記 |
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2382.8 |
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2384.8 |
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今天處理法案本會就 |
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2384.8 |
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2387.44 |
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本次會議就不處理臨時提案 |
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2387.44 |
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2388.88 |
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請問各位委員有沒有意見 |
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2390.34 |
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2391.06 |
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好 謝謝 |
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2392.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
2393.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
那接下來我們進行詢答 |
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2393.86 |
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2396.98 |
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請登記第一位的張志倫委員質詢 |
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2405.05 |
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2406.49 |
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好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
2406.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
2407.85 |
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各位委員各位觀言早 |
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2407.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
2409.13 |
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有請邱垂政主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
2414.69 |
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2419.33 |
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主委早 今天是陸委會的詢答 |
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2419.33 |
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2422.61 |
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首先要跟主委討論 |
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2422.61 |
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2426.61 |
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就是先前有關於台東縣長姚慶林縣長 |
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2427.25 |
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2429.25 |
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因為為了農民的生計 |
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2429.25 |
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2433.01 |
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預錄影片在海峽論壇推廣農產品 |
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2433.01 |
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2435.81 |
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那我還記得當時陸委會高調宣稱 |
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2435.81 |
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2437.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
他違反兩岸關係條例 |
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2437.81 |
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2439.25 |
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第三三條之一 |
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2439.25 |
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2441.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
與中國黨政軍合作 |
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2441.25 |
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2443.73 |
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那必須啟動行政調查 |
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2443.73 |
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2446.77 |
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那後來近日你們有坦言 |
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2446.77 |
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2449.49 |
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是不是說這個基本上 |
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2449.49 |
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2451.25 |
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姚縣長的發言沒有 |
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2451.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
2453.57 |
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牽涉到兩岸重大政治議題 |
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2453.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
2457.25 |
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所以你們現在的處理狀況是如何 |
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2457.25 |
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2459.25 |
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是不是可以說明一下 |
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2460.24 |
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2464.16 |
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公務員報告有關於姚慶林縣長 |
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2464.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
2470.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
以錄影的方式在海峽論壇宣稱說法 |
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2470.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
2474 |
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那這部分我們有請內政部 |
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2474 |
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2477.2 |
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進行必要的行政的了解 |
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2477.2 |
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2482.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
那目前他這個相關行政的一些報告 |
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2482.48 |
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2486.24 |
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那麼還在彙整其他相關單位當中 |
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2486.24 |
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2489.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
我們還沒有做出最後的決定 |
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2489.2 |
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2492.64 |
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那當時你們不是已經跟媒體坦承言說 |
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2492.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
2496.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
沒有涉嫌牽涉到兩岸重大政治議題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
2496.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
2498.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
你們有沒有這樣的回應 |
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2499.08 |
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2503.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
這個部分我們應該還沒有做出決定 |
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2503.8 |
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2507.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
那我們會再有一個會商再確定 |
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2507.48 |
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2511.16 |
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如果有經營部的說法我們會對外說明 |
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2511.16 |
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2513.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
還會有確定大概什麼時候會確定 |
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2513.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
2515.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
我想應該很快 |
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2515.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
2520.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
因為我們現在在彙整相關的資訊 |
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2520.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
2523.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
然後我們再做最後的決定 |
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2523.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
2525.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
那我是不是也可以方便請加入委會 |
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2525.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
2528.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
今年針對民間交流案件 |
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2528.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
2531.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
真正有裁罰的案件大概有幾件 |
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2533.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
2534.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
裁罰的案件 |
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2535.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
2539.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
我們要看一下資料再回覆給委員 |
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2539.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
2541.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
還是事後我們再提供相關資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
2541.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
2542.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
回覆給我們好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
2542.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
2546.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
因為這跟我等一下現在要問的問題有關 |
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2546.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
2549.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
大家也看到最近監察院的監委有報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
2549.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
2552.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
就是有關於現在我們很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
2552.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
2557.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
兩岸青年的一些交流團的一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
2557.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
2561.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
那監察院有指出針對他的報告寫說 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
2561.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
2565.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
最近就是認為我們不管是教育部內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
2565.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
2568.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
或入委會針對兩岸學生的這個交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
2569.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
2576.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
沒有一個明確的針對有些違反招攬規定的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
2576.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
2577.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
沒有做一些處分 |
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2577.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
2579.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
那我們看到最近這幾年 |
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2579.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
2582.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
我們兩岸學生的交流非常的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
2582.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
2585.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
尤其台灣不管是大學高中 |
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2585.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
2588.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
或者是國中國小的人數 |
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2588.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
2590.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
到大陸交流人數越來越多 |
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2590.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
2594.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
尤其是大學生大概一年大概是五千多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
2594.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
2596.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
那我想要請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
2596.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
2599.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
針對目前入委會有沒有掌握 |
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2599.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
2602.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
到底有沒有多少的人數是 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
2602.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
2604.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
跟教育部來掌握 |
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2604.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
2607.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
到底多少是未通報私下組團的數量到底是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
2607.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
2608.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
有統計過了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
2608.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
2611.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
是跟委員報告 |
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2611.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
2615.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
我們感謝我們監察委員幫我們做的這些調查報告 |
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2615.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
2619.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
那這裡面講過去各部會有互相推諉 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
2619.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
2620.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
這可能是事實 |
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2620.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
2622.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
但是這幾年 |
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2622.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
2624.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
這幾年 |
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2624.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
2628.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
我想我們跟各部會不再有這種情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
2628.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
2632.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
都是共同的分工合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
2632.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
2637.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
那麼積極的跟各個學校說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
2637.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
2640.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
這個中國大陸交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
2640.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
2643.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
要向教育部所建立的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
2643.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
2649.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
有關兩岸教育交流活動登錄的這個平台來彙報 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
2649.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
2651.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
所以各部會之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
2651.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
2653.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
目前是合作無間分工合作 |
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並沒有相互推諉的情形 |
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2662.37 |
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我們比如說現在到底有多少的學生 |
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2662.37 |
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2665.41 |
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或者是多少的學校沒有通報的數量你沒有掌握嗎 |
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2665.41 |
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目前這幾年 |
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2669.65 |
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跟委員報告這幾年 |
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由於教育部主管機關 |
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他比較常去做宣導 |
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2674.21 |
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現在通報量比較多了 |
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2676.05 |
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2677.25 |
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也比較正常 |
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2677.25 |
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2679.49 |
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那其實我要跟委員報告 |
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2679.57 |
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2682.37 |
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我們上網去 |
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2682.37 |
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2685.65 |
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他其實會給我們要去的學生 |
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2685.65 |
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2687.17 |
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老師學校 |
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2687.17 |
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2689.65 |
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都有很清楚的一個檢核作業 |
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2692.29 |
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對於風險的檢核作業 |
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2692.29 |
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2695.09 |
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目前來講沒有通報的數量是少的 |
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2695.09 |
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2696.61 |
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會減少很多 |
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2696.61 |
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2697.81 |
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目前也在減少 |
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2697.81 |
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2699.33 |
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那我想要了解 |
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2702.53 |
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因為陸委會說要跟這樣的事情去做懲處 |
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2702.53 |
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2706.13 |
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那我想說如果還是有沒有去通報的學校 |
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因為主要是學校來去做通報 |
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2708.21 |
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2709.33 |
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那如果學校沒有通報的話 |
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2709.33 |
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2711.09 |
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懲處的對象到底是學校 |
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2711.09 |
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2712.29 |
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還是帶隊老師 |
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2712.29 |
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2714.05 |
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甚至是當然的民間團體 |
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2714.05 |
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2715.97 |
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會不會是無辜的學生 |
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2715.97 |
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2718.53 |
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我想這個是教育部主管機關 |
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2718.53 |
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2721.01 |
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我們尊重教育部主管機關 |
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2721.01 |
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2725.49 |
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那至於有違反兩岸條例的相關的情形 |
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2725.49 |
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2728.69 |
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我們會協助教育部來做進一步的認證 |
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2728.69 |
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2730.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
我這邊要特別跟您拜託的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
2730.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
2732.21 |
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因為今天教育部我應該沒有來 |
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2732.21 |
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2736.45 |
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所以我想說學生他們只是單純去玩 |
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2736.69 |
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2738.29 |
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所以我希望說學生的部分 |
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2738.29 |
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2740.69 |
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不應該影響到他的受教權 |
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2740.69 |
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2741.97 |
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不應該被罰 |
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2745.09 |
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所以我要拜託主委這邊老 |
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2745.09 |
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2747.25 |
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也可以幫忙跟教育部說明一下 |
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2747.25 |
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2749.89 |
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那陸委會在這個情況當中 |
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2749.89 |
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2753.49 |
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他有說要推動大陸的試讀教育 |
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2753.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
2756.05 |
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那大陸的試讀教育它的範圍多大 |
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2756.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
2757.49 |
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那要如何做教材 |
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2757.49 |
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2759.01 |
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以及審定的標準為何 |
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2759.01 |
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2760.53 |
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是不是可以請主委 |
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2760.53 |
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2761.01 |
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是 |
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2761.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
2761.97 |
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謝謝委員 |
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2761.97 |
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2764.37 |
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這也是我們陸委會在努力的地方 |
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2764.45 |
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2767.25 |
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我們希望我們的學生老師 |
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2767.25 |
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2771.73 |
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或是學校跟中國大陸進行的健康有序的交流 |
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2771.73 |
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2773.57 |
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當然要再對準尊嚴 |
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2773.57 |
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2776.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
之外我們也希望我們附錄教育的學生 |
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2776.53 |
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2779.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
試讀教育的這個陸字是什麼 |
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2779.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
2780.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
讓他了解中國大陸 |
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2780.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
2783.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
就去之前要先讀完這筆試讀教育 |
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2783.73 |
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2786.13 |
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然後才可以去大陸做交流 |
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2786.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
2787.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
會比較適合 |
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2787.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
2791.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
不要說大家看統戰行程 |
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2791.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
2793.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
統戰的愛國基地 |
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2793.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
2795.17 |
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或是紅色的這些 |
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2795.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
2797.33 |
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是一個線上課程嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
2797.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
2798.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
還是紙本的課程 |
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2798.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
2802.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
我們有線上的 |
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2802.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
2803.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
我們有紙本的 |
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2803.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
2805.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
我們有實際教授的課程 |
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2805.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
2807.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
一定要讀完以後才能去大陸交流嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
2807.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
2809.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
他只要有上過這些課程就好 |
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2809.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
2811.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
很多都是在他們學校 |
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2811.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
2813.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
那我請問一下主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
2813.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
2816.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
這個試讀教育的教材什麼時候會出 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
2816.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
2820.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
我想教育部跟相關的這些老師 |
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2820.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
2821.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
都有很多的教材 |
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2821.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
2823.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
現在已經有了嗎 |
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2823.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
2825.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
都陸陸續續有 |
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2825.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
2827.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
都是專業的教材 |
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2827.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
2829.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
我們都尊重這些老師 |
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2829.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
2831.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
他們專業的課程 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
2831.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
2832.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
我們都尊重他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
2832.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
2833.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
2833.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
2834.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
那希望說陸委會 |
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2834.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
2837.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
也針對整個試讀教材 |
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2837.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
2838.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
要先去了解 |
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2838.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
2839.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
然後執行的情況 |
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2839.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
2840.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
也希望說陸委會 |
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2840.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
2841.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
可以先去了解一下 |
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2841.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
2842.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
是 |
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2843.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
2844.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
最後一個問題 |
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2844.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
2846.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
針對最近我相信陸委會 |
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2846.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
2849.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
也跟很多的這個 |
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2849.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
2850.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
大陸的台商 |
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2850.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
2852.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
尤其是商業工會 |
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2852.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
2853.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
有去做討論 |
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2853.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
2855.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
針對兩岸旅遊 |
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2855.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
2856.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
或是執行包機的問題 |
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2856.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
2858.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
來去做討論 |
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2858.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
2859.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
我想要問一下主委 |
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2859.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
2861.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
目前我們現在台灣 |
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2861.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
2863.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
跟大陸執行的班機 |
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2863.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
2864.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
大概今年是 |
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2864.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
2866.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
執行的數量是28個 |
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2866.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
2869.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
28個執行的地點 |
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2869.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
2869.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
對吧 |
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2870.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
2875.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
目前的我們在跟中國大陸的航點 |
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2875.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
2878.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
目前執行的航點是15個 |
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2878.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
2879.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
只有15個 |
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2879.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
2881.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
然後包機的航點有13個 |
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2881.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
2883.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
所以加起來執行的15個 |
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2883.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
2885.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
包機13個總共28個 |
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2885.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
2888.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
那主委你知道過去 |
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2888.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
2890.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
兩岸執行包機 |
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2890.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
2892.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
最多的數量是多少個嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
2893.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
2895.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
最多的數量是多少個嗎 |
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2895.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
2896.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
航點是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
2896.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
2897.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
對航點 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
2897.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
2897.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
航行包機 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
2897.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
2900.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
曾經快到60個61個 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
2900.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
2902.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
對 主委非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
2902.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
2903.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
沒有被我考倒 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
2903.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
2904.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
所以的確我要跟主委報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
2904.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
2907.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
過去兩岸平凡交流的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
2907.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
2910 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
也可能人數跟現在差不多的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
2910 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
2911.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
是61個 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
2911.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
2913.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
現在降低到28個 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
2913.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
2916.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
所以造成兩岸很多往來上 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
2916.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
2920.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
不管是台商 探親 旅遊方面的不便 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
2920.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
2921.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
所以我相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
2921.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
2922.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
所以還會有這個工會 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
2922.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
2924.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
來跟主委拜託 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
2924.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
2926.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
是不是要新開新增 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
2926.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
2928.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
執行跟包機點 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
2928.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
2930.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
那我想請教說 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
2930.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
2931.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
主委有沒有聽到人民的心聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
2931.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
2932.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
那你未來應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
2932.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
2935.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
有沒有考慮要怎麼去增加執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
2935.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
2936.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
跟包機的點 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
2936.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
2938.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
有沒有一個進程的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
2938.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
2939.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
2939.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
2940.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
我們也有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
2940.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
2943.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
我們民航局跟各航空業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
2943.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
2945.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
目前是航空業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
2945.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
2948 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
並沒有新的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
2948 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
2950 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
運力提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
2950 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
2952 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
那雖然我們有聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
2952 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
2956 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
許多的台商有這個呼聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
2956 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
2958 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
但是我們也了解到 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
2958 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
2961.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
像我們不是規定了13個包機的航點 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
2961.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
2963.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
其實目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
2963.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
2966 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
民航局都沒有收到相關的申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
2966 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
2969.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
比如說我們現在的運力 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
2969.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
2971.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
那當然我們的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
2971.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
2973.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
他提供的比較慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
2973.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
2975.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
由於他新的這些機組 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
2975.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
2977.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
都是非其他國際 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
2977.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
2979.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
那我們也是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
2979.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
2981.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
真的有運力的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
2981.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
2983.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
我們可以先申請包機 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
2983.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
2985.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
那另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
2985.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
2987.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
包機你未來的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
2987.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
2989.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
多久會包一次機 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
2989.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
2991.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
平凡 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
2991.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
2993.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
完全按照市場的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
2993.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
2995.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
那大概什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
2995.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
2997.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
我想主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
2997.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
2999.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
會來做進一步的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
2999.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
3001.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
那現在都還沒有送來 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
3001.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
3003.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
如果有包機需求的 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
3003.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
3005.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
業者也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
3005.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
3007.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
向我們民航主管機關提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
3007.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
3009.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
3009.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
3011.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
我們自己的直航業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
3011.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
3013.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
也一直申請上海 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
3013.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
3015.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
有大概十幾班 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
3015.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
3019.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
十三班的上海機場都沒有同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
3019.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
3021.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
這也造成我們輸運上變得很擠 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
3021.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
3023.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
我們也希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
3023.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
3025.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
對岸也要同意我們直航的申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
3025.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
3027.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
主委跟主委報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
3027.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
3029.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
就是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
3029.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
3031.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
兩岸的直航的班機跟包機的班機 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
3031.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
3033.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
跟地點越來越少 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
3033.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
3035.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
導致現在很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
3035.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
3037.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
我們要通行的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
3037.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
3039.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
都經過金門小三通 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
3039.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
3041.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
來前往大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
3041.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
3043.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
我相信主委知道這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
3043.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
3045.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
導致現在金門機場常常大塞車 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
3045.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
3047.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
客滿 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
3047.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
3049.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
導致航班各個客滿 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
3049.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
3051.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
所以本席還是拜託主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
3051.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
3053.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
針對民眾的遷徙自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
3053.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
3055.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
跟未來不要讓金門的 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
3055.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
3057.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
機場這麼嚴重的塞車 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
3057.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
3059.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
拜託主委這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
3059.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
3061.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
針對是不是都可以開放直航 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
3061.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
3063.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
讓民眾方便探親 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
3063.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
3065.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
或旅遊等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
3065.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
3067.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
這個部分還是希望趕快 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
3067.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
3069.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
盡快做出決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
3069.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
3071.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
跟業者做溝通協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
3071.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
3073.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
拜託主委謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
3073.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
3075.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
謝謝張委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
3076.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
3078.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
謝謝張志倫委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
3078.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
3080.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
接下來我們請許宗信委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
3081.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
3083.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
3091.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
3093.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
我們有請陸委會 邱主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
3099.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
3101.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
3101.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
3103.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
今天我們修 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
3104.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
3106.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
這個兩岸關係條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
3106.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
3108.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
93條之4 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
3108.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
3110.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
所以我針對這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
3110.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
3112.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
要來跟各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
3112.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
3114.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
探討一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
3114.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
3116.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
陸配權力保障的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
3117.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
3119.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
所以它會比較難 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
3119.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
3121.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
不是要故意刁難主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
3121.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
3123.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
而是要讓我們的法治更精進 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
3125.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
3127.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
我國人民登記不動產 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
3128.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
3130.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
3130.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
3132.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
根據我國法院多數的判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
3133.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
3135.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
如果屆民登記的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
3135.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
3137.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
原則上 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
3137.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
3139.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
會是被允許的 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
3139.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
3141.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
但是原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
3141.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
3143.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
3143.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
3145.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
如果非原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
3145.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
3147.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
透過原住民來建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
3147.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
3149.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
這個我們法院判決是無項 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
3150.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
3152.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
這個多數的見解現在是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
3152.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
3154.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
那我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
3155.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
3157.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
在兩岸關係條例69條 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
3158.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
3160.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
3160.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
3162.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
3163.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
3165.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
大陸地區人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
3165.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
3167.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
不得取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
3167.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
3169.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
設定移轉 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
3169.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
3171.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
不動產 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
3171.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
3173.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
以及其他投資行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
3174.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
3176.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
主委你不覺得這個其他投資行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
3176.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
3178.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
概念非常廣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
3178.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
3180.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
3179.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
3181.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
我現在用一個例子來請教主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
3183.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
3185.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
一個陸配嫁過來台灣三年 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
3185.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
3187.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
還沒有取得身份證之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
3189.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
3191.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
他去買股票 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
3191.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
3193.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
是不是這裡的投資行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
3194.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
3196.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
3196.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
3198.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
所以這個很顯然太廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
3199.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
3201.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
那麼兩岸關係條例這樣一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
3201.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
3203.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
69條禁止規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
3206.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
3208.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
它的效果的確 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
3209.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
3211.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
不是很明確說 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
3211.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
3213.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
它如果違反這個規定去取得不動產 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
3214.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
3216.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
它是否是無項 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
3216.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
3218.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
包委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
3218.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
3220.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
要由我們主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
3220.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
3222.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
3222.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
3224.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
如果沒有許可的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
3224.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
3226.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
是否無效 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
3226.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
3228.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
我們根據民法71條 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
3229.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
3231.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
違反法律禁止之規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
3231.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
3233.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
法律行為無效 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
3234.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
3236.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
根據71條其實可以得到無效的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
3236.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
3238.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
只是不明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
3238.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
3240.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
那我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
3241.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
3243.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
兩岸條例94條 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
3245.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
3247.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
3246.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
3248.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
這是個修正案 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
3248.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
3250.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
修正的草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
3249.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
3251.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
3251.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
3253.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
我們把它明確的講無效 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
3255.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
3257.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
本席暫停 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
3257.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
3259.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
因為本席完全接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
3259.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
3261.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
錄製來炒作台灣的不動產 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
3261.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
3263.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
使得價格飆漲 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
3263.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
3265.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
也本席也完全接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
3265.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
3267.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
3267.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
3269.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
錄製來控制我們台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
3269.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
3271.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
有國防安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
3271.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
3273.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
重要關鍵的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
3273.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
3275.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
這個我都完全贊同 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
3275.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
3277.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
但是不能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
3277.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
3279.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
夾網過正 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
3278.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
3280.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
不能夾網過正 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
3280.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
3282.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
所以這個無效我同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
3282.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
3284.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
滑緩、滑斤我也同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
3284.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
3288.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
但是各位看到我們94條之事的修法理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
3290.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
3292.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
並沒有像你的書面報告裡面所講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
3292.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
3294.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
它的立法理由為何 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
3296.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
3298.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
您的書面報告裡面講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
3298.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
3300.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
3300.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
3302.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
因為為了要我國不動產市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
3302.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
3304.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
以及國家安全戰略 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
3305.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
3307.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
防疫造成漏洞的避免 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
3309.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
3311.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
為了避免對我國 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
3311.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
3315.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
安全戰略有重要性的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
3317.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
3319.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
產生漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
3318.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
3320.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
以及我國不動產市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
3321.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
3323.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
這是你的書面 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
3323.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
3325.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
報告裡面講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
3325.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
3327.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
不受錄製的炒作 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
3328.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
3330.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
吶 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
3329.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
3331.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
你的書面報告裡面有 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
3331.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
3333.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
我贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
3333.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
3335.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
但是就94條之事的草案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
3335.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
3337.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
也是武力華委員所提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
3337.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
3339.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
民進黨委員所連署的 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
3339.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
3341.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
修正草案的理由裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
3344.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
3346.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
並沒有您所講的這麼理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
3348.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
3350.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
這樣是我允當 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
3350.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
3352.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
也就是說您書面報告有 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
3353.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
3355.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
我贊同了 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
3355.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
3357.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
但是在修法理由裡面並沒有這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
3358.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
3360.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
3360.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
3362.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
那因為本席時常要出外交任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
3362.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
3364.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
國會外交任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
3364.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
3366.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
所以時常沒辦法來審法調 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
3366.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
3368.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
所以在這裡先跟主委報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
3368.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
3370.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
這個您書面報告的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
3370.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
3372.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
要放進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
3372.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
3374.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
3374.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
3376.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
要限縮 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
3376.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
3378.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
如果他來購買的投資的 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
3378.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
3380.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
就明登記的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
3380.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
3382.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
無關重要的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
3383.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
3385.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
我們沒必要去限制他 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
3385.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
3387.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
沒必要去限制他 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
3388.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
3390.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
3391.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
3393.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
我剛才提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
3393.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
3395.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
陸配嫁過來三年還沒有取得身份證之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
3396.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
3398.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
我們對他的限制這麼的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
3400.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
3402.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
我舉一個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
3402.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
3404.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
陸配嫁過來三年先生去世了 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
3405.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
3407.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
還沒有小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
3407.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
3409.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
那先生的財產不動產 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
3409.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
3411.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
他要繼承啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
3412.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
3414.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
那也根據69條 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
3414.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
3416.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
跟我們這94條的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
3416.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
3418.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
他還是不能繼承 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
3419.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
3421.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
這個變成我們兩岸人民關係條例限制了 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
3422.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
3424.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
這個陸配的繼承權 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
3425.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
3427.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
這是我引擔的許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
3427.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
3429.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
主委您覺得呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
3428.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
3430.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
3430.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
3432.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
謝謝委員喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
3432.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
3434.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
剛剛委員講那個修正的更加明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
3434.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
3436.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
那我們也表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
3436.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
3438.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
贊同 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
3438.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
3440.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
剛剛您有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
3440.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
3442.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
陸配 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
3442.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
3444.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
那他還是大陸人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
3444.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
3446.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
那他要購買 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
3446.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
3448.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
我們的房地產 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
3448.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
3450.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
還是要經過主管局關的許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
3450.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
3452.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
那如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
3452.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
3454.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
繼承呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
3454.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
3456.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
看他有沒有取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
3456.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
3458.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
取得也是繼承 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
3458.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
3460.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
拘留 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
3459.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
3461.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
3461.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
3463.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
你們是因為他有拘留權 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
3463.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
3465.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
所以經過主管局關許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
3465.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
3467.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
3466.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
3470.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
我們民法上的繼承權是不被主管局關的許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
3470.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
3472.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
因為他的先生去世 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
3472.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
3474.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
他嫁過來三年先生去世 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
3474.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
3476.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
他依法就有繼承權 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
3476.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
3480.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
而我們這裡變成要經過主管機關的許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
3480.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
3482.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
這樣對他們的權利保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
3482.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
3484.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
3484.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
3486.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
梁小利也是尊重他們的繼承權 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
3487.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
3489.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
但是要經過你們的許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
3489.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
3491.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
不用許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
3491.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
3493.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
這個就是民法相關的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
3493.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
3495.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
我們說不得取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
3495.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
3497.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
69條說不得取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
3497.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
3499.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
不得取得包括不能繼承 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
3502.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
3504.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
所以你們限縮解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
3504.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
3506.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
取得不包括繼承 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
3507.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
3509.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
這是你們行政機關的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
3509.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
3511.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
法院不一定接受你們的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
3512.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
3514.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
我們是三權分立的國家法院不一定尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
3516.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
3518.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
主管機關的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
3518.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
3520.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
3520.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3522.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
所以這個是我們這次修法要一起處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
3525.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3527.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
應該要把繼承排除 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
3529.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3531.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
因為他根本沒有操作我們不動產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3533.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3537.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
情形也不大可能去繼承到有國家安全重要性的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3537.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3539.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3539.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3541.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
委員我們現行法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3541.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3543.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
對於陸配就已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3543.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3545.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
可以繼承了 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
3545.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3547.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
不用主管機關許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3547.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3549.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
所以你們把取得限縮解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
3549.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3551.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
不包括繼承 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3551.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3553.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
對應該是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3553.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3555.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
那這個是你們主管機關的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3555.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3557.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
我跟主委提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3557.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3559.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
法院不一定接受你們的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3559.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3561.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
我們是三權分立的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3561.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3563.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
就跟各位講上 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3563.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3565.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
我們原則上都是要看法院的判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
3564.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3566.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3566.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3568.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3567.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
3569.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
我們原住民保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
3570.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
3572.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
現在要修草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
3573.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
3575.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
還沒有通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
3575.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
3577.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
他們的確 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
3576.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
3578.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
3578.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
3580.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
明確把它歸清成無效 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
3580.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
3582.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
跟現行法院的判決一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
3584.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
3586.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
那他們原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
3586.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
3588.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
的土地之所以禁止 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
3589.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
3591.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
讓它無效 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
3591.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
3593.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
原住民他們原委會提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
3593.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
3595.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
3594.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
3596.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
這個是規避了原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
3596.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
3598.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
身份的 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
3598.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
3600.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
3600.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
3602.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
所以無效 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
3602.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
3604.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
人家他們有講無效的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
3604.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
3606.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
是因為它規避了原住民身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
3606.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
3608.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
它沒有原住民身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
3608.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
3610.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
卻去用原住民身份的人去取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
3610.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
3612.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
土地建民登記無效 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
3612.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
3614.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
原委會都可以提出這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
3614.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
3616.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
有水準的法案的草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
3617.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
3619.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
我們入委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
3618.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
3620.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
在這一次立法委員的修法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
3622.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
3624.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
應該要加以稍微注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
3624.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
3626.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
稍微注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
3626.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
3628.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
第二點 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
3628.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
3630.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
我們就三條知識的修法說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
3631.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
3633.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
也就剛才我們五立法委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
3633.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
3635.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
修法說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
3635.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
3637.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
它稱大陸地區人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
3639.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
3641.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
我們六十九條的法定用語是 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
3641.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
3643.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
大陸地區人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
3643.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
3645.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
而主委您 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
3644.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
3646.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
剛才也是用大陸人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
3646.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
3648.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
3647.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
3649.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
我們都會用法定的大陸地區人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
3649.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
3651.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
3651.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
3653.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
那我們這個修法的草案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
3653.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
3655.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
卻用中國人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
3656.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
3658.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
如果修法草案的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
3658.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
3660.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
這樣通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
3660.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
3662.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
變成我們立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
3662.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
3664.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
所通過的修法說明裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
3665.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
3667.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
有中國人民這個用語 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
3667.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
3669.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
這樣是否妥當 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
3669.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
3671.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
我們尊重委員的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
3671.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
3673.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
今天我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
3673.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
3675.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
審這個五立法委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
3675.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
3677.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
這個法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
3677.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
3679.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
他的精神在於防範中國大陸資金 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
3679.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
3681.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
藉由人頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
3681.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
3683.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
這個精神我贊同 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
3683.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
3685.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
來規避審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
3685.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
3687.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
但是他在立法說明裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
3687.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
3689.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
3689.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
3691.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
用中國人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
3691.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
3693.35 |
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這不是法定用語 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
3693.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
3695.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
在說明裡面呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
3694.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
3696.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
我們尊重委員的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
3696.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
3698.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
3698.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
3700.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
本席在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
3702.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
3704.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
跟本院報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
3705.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
3707.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
我們要用法定用語 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
3707.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
3709.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
還有另外一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
3710.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
3712.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
立法說明裡面講到 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
3712.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
3714.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
提供人頭協助登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
3715.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
3717.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
提供人頭協助登記 |
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3719.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
3721.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
這個在一般用語口頭講話可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
3722.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
3724.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
在立法說明裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
3724.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
3726.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
用提供人頭協助登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
3726.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
3728.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
不是很恐怖嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
3729.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
3731.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
不是很恐怖嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
3732.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
3734.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
而我們立法院的修法說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
3734.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
3736.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
這麼的 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
3736.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
3738.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
一般話 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
3737.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
3739.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
是通俗 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
3740.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
3742.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
這是否允當 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
3742.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
3744.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
是就是透過屆民登記 |
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3744.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
3746.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
這個我們再跟委員來溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
3746.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
3748.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
中國人民這個也要溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
3749.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
3751.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
因為兩岸人民關係條例是以 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
3751.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
3753.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
大陸地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
3753.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
3755.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
台灣地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
3755.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
3757.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
大陸地區人民為基本的架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
3759.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
3761.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
所以我們用中國人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
3762.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
3764.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
對陸配 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
3764.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
3766.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
這個坦白講 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
3766.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
3768.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
不親切呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
3768.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
3770.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
我覺得不應該這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
3770.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
3772.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
不應該這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
3773.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
3775.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
我們應該按照我們現在的法定用語 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
3775.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
3777.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
在立法說明裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
3777.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
3779.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
來加以說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
3779.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
3781.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
如果是行政院版就會用法定用語 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
3781.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
3783.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
但是如果這個版通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
3783.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
3785.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
就會成為本院的官方文書 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
3785.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
3787.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
將來我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
3788.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
3790.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
3790.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
3792.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
研讀這方面的法律就會看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
3792.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
3794.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
中國人民這四個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
3794.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
3796.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
相當不當 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
3796.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
3798.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
有關文字的部分我們也會跟委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
3798.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
3800.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
來溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
3800.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
3802.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
所以提供人頭部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
3802.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
3804.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
我的人頭可以提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
3804.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
3806.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
不能在說明裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
3806.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
3808.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
用提供人頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
3808.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
3810.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
只要本席在立法院的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
3810.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
3812.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
我不希望有這種法律通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
3812.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
3814.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
我會被法學界抨擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
3814.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
3816.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
我沒有盡到我法學者的職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
3817.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
3819.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
拜託主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
3819.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
3821.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
謝謝許中信委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
3821.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
3823.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
謝謝我們還沒有進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].start |
3823.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
3825.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
足條 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
3825.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
3827.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
這個足條的時候都可以討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
3827.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
3829.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
同時我們其實委員在提案的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
3829.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
3831.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
也是尊重每個委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
3831.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
3833.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
他法律案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
3833.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
3835.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
也有他的理念 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
3835.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
3837.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
這個我們也都尊重但是正式的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
3837.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
3839.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
我們還是在足條的時候會來做精準的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
3839.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
3841.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
接下來我們請蘇巧慧委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
3852.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
3854.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
謝謝主席我們請邱主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
3860.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
3862.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
3862.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
3864.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
主委想跟您請教一下這個中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
3864.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
3866.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
現在有最新的法制變動 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
3866.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
3868.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
他們在7月31日的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
3868.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
3870.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
頒布了 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
3870.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
3872.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
國務院關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
3872.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
3874.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
出境入境管理規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
3875.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
3877.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
7月31日幾天前上個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
3877.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
3879.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
頒布了國務院關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
3879.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
3881.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
出境入境的管理規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
3881.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
3883.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
這項規定其實被 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
3883.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
3885.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
認為是大幅度的擴張了 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
3885.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
3887.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
中國政府限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
3887.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
3889.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
人民出境 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
3889.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
3891.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
的權利就是你人在中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
3891.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
3893.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
你要出境這部分被 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
3893.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
3895.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
大幅的限制甚至是 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
3895.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
3897.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
可能連外國人士都會被受到 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
3897.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
3899.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
限制已經引發在國際上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
3899.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
3901.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
非常多的討論主要 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
3901.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
3903.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
爭議的條文是什麼我舉例 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
3903.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
3905.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
給大家聽我們如果依照現在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
3905.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
3907.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
這個新的這個中國的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
3907.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
3909.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
的話他第四條他是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
3909.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
3911.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
你如果是 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
3911.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
3913.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
你現在人在中國但你如果被認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
3913.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
3915.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
你在境外 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
3915.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
3917.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
就是中國以外境外從事 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
3917.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
3919.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
危害國家安全與利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
3920.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
3922.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
活動你可能呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
3922.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
3924.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
就在六個月至三年內你會被禁止出境 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
3924.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
3926.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
你在境外喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
3926.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
3928.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
但是你還是會可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
3928.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
3930.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
在中國裡面你會被禁止出境 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
3930.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
3932.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
好再來呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
3932.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
3934.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
你如果是可能危害國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
3934.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
3936.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
產業安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
3936.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
3938.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
技術安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
3938.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
3940.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
他也可以決定你禁止出境 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
3941.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
3943.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
然後呢你再生你要住出境的時候呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
3943.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
3945.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
你需要配合提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
3945.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
3947.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
文件資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
3947.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
3949.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
甚至是包括電子數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
3949.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
3951.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
好那個電子數據呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
3951.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
3953.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
在中國實務執行起來以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].start |
3953.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
3955.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
包括什麼呢其實包括手機 |
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3955.68 |
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3957.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
電腦甚至你的社群 |
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3957.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
3959.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
媒體內容甚至是 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
3959.68 |
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3961.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
雲端資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
3961.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
3963.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
都有可能成為審查的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
3964.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
3966.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
所以根據這樣子的一個狀況 |
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3966.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
3968.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
其實我們可以看到731之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
3968.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
3970.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
有非常多的外媒 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
3970.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
3972.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
就包括紐約時報 |
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3972.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
3974.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
BBC 德國之聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
3974.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
3976.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
法國廣播電台等等等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
3976.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
3978.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
都把它跟在7月1號 |
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3978.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
3980.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
的時候所實施的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].start |
3980.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
3982.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
民族團結促進法 |
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3982.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
3984.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
一併連動可以看得出來 |
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3984.73 |
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3986.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
這個是在中國呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
3986.73 |
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3988.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
其實已經進入了維穩大於一切 |
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3988.73 |
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3990.73 |
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那所以呢他們 |
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3990.73 |
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3992.73 |
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最後的結論是說 |
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3992.73 |
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3994.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
這個所有的民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
3994.73 |
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3996.73 |
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進入中國的風險 |
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3996.73 |
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3998.73 |
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可能會上升 |
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3998.73 |
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4000.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
這是一個很客觀的一個評論 |
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4000.73 |
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4002.73 |
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其實不帶任何的髒品 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
4002.73 |
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4004.73 |
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他就是描述了一個中國現在法制的變動 |
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4004.73 |
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4006.73 |
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那所以因為造成這樣的結果 |
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4006.73 |
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4008.73 |
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所以你進入中國法制的風險 |
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4008.73 |
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4010.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
你進入中國的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
4010.73 |
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4012.73 |
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有可能上升 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
4012.73 |
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4014.73 |
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因為你有可能出不來 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
4014.73 |
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4016.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
主委我想請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
4016.73 |
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4018.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
我們跟中國的關係往來互動 |
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4018.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
4020.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
其實相當的頻繁 |
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4020.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
4022.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
這個往來互動其實是很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
4022.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
4024.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
你怎麼看這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
4024.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
4026.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
中國法制的變動 |
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4026.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
4028.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
你覺得外媒評論 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
4028.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
4030.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
是否正確你又會怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
4030.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
4032.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
跟國人闡述現在新的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
4033.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
4035.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
謝謝委員的指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
4035.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
4037.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
委員今天所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
4037.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
4039.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
這些內容我想非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
4039.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
4041.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
那我記得委員 |
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4041.48 |
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4043.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
上次也問我 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
4043.48 |
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4045.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
這個中國大陸的人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
4045.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
4047.48 |
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很想來台灣玩 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
4046.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
4048.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
但是是他們的嚴格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
4048.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
4050.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
出境管制不讓他們來 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
4050.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
4054.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
中國大陸的學生也經常打電話來入委會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
4054.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
4056.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
他可不可以來台灣留學 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
4056.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
4058.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
但是你們的出入境管制就是不讓他來 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
4058.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
4060.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
所以中共對他的公民 |
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4060.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
4062.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
還有對外國人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
4062.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
4064.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
自始至終就是高度管制 |
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4064.89 |
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4066.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
隨時都可以禁止入出境 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
4070.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
4072.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
那據我們了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
4072.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
4074.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
中共的這些人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
4074.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
4076.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
中共的這些公民 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
4076.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
4078.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
取得他們的護照 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
4078.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
4080.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
大概不到兩成 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
4080.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
4082.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
就是說他嚴格的控管他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
4082.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
4084.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
人民的出境 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
4084.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
4086.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
那我們這次 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
4086.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
4088.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
我們了解這次公布的 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
4088.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
4090.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
入出境的新規 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
4090.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
4092.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
他也是說在既有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
4092.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
4094.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
前置人民的這些手段上 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
4094.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
4096.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
加上一個法制化的外衣 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
4097.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
4099.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
而且剛委員講的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
4099.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
4101.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
就是說充滿各種不確定的法律概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
4101.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
4103.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
而且認定要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
4103.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
4105.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
非常模糊寬泛 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
4108.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
4110.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
而且留意各種阻緩機關的任意性 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
4110.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
4112.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
我說你不能出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
4112.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
4114.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
就不能出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
4114.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
4116.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
我說你不能進來就不能進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
4116.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
4118.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
人民的權利無法受到明確的法律保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
4118.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
4120.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
這才是剛委員所說 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
4120.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
4122.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
造成恐慌的根本原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
4122.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
4124.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
那麼九月十五號 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
4124.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
4126.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
剛好進入中國大陸十月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
4126.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
4128.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
他有五中全會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
4128.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
4130.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
維穩大於一切 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].start |
4130.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
4132.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
加上習近平 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
4132.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
4134.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
要在明年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
4134.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
4136.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
要延任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
4136.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
4138.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
所以他很多的控管 |
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4138.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
4140.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
這個人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
4140.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
4142.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
遷徙的自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
4142.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
4144.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
這個手段會更加的嚴厲 |
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4144.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
4146.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
其實我們可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
4146.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
4148.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
最近北京當局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
4148.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
4150.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
這幾年就是很多的國家安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
4150.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
4152.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
無限上綱 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
4152.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
4154.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
頻繁修訂各種的法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
4154.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
4156.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
這也是其中之一 |
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4156.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
4158.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
這樣子啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
4158.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
4160.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
我跟您這個在互相就教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
4160.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
4162.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
4162.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
4164.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
上一次的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
4164.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
4166.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
您剛剛講到我上一次的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
4166.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
4168.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
我上一次的質詢其實是 |
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4168.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
4170.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
跟您說我希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
4170.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
4172.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
陸委會既然是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
4172.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
4174.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
台灣這個處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
4174.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
4176.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
兩岸之間的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
4176.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
4178.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
所以我們要能夠清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
4178.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
4180.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
讓我們自己的國民能夠了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
4180.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
4182.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
現在對岸對我們的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
4182.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
4184.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
客觀的事實主觀的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
4184.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
4186.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
都讓我們可以清楚的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
4186.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
4188.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
我覺得這是政府的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
4188.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
4190.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
那麼一旦能夠清楚的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
4190.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
4192.01 |
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所有的資訊之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
4192.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
4194.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
國民做什麼判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
4194.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
4196.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
做什麼決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
4196.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
4198.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
當然我們是民主自由法制的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
4198.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
4200.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
我們交給人民來做決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
4200.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
4202.01 |
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所以我要求的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
4202.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
4204.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
政府部門尤其陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
4204.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
4206.01 |
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要有提供清楚的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
4206.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
4208.01 |
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明確的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
4208.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
4210.01 |
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就這樣子嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
4210.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
4212.01 |
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但是交給人民做決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
4212.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
4214.01 |
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好所以上一次在面對前一位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
4214.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
4216.01 |
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在說你們都不讓陸客來啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
4216.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
4218.01 |
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我們也不去啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
4218.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
4220.01 |
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我說這是事實嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
4220.01 |
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4222.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
你應該就三句話很清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
4222.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
4224.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
告訴大家陸客不來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
4224.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
4226.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
我們不去兩岸不交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
4226.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
4228.01 |
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這不是事實嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
4228.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
4230.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
這是對岸不給他們的人民來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
4230.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
4232.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
我們去的人這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
4232.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
4234.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
平常大家也都互相有在交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
4234.01 |
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4236.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
這個才是大家明確看到的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
4236.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
4238.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
你不能轉一個彎之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
4238.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
4240.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
變成在公開論述的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
4240.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
4242.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
變成是一種這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
4242.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
4244.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
宣傳式的語言和事實相悖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
4244.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
4246.01 |
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好可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
4246.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
4248.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
可是我要求的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
4248.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
4250.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
明確的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
4250.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
4252.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
客觀的事實明確的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
4252.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
4254.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
那今天我在問你的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
4254.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
4256.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
其實是對於法治 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
4256.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
4258.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
中國法治的變更 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
4258.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
4260.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
我也是希望您不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
4260.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
4262.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
用其他髒皮的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
4262.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
4264.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
你就告訴大家明確的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
4264.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
4266.01 |
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一中國有沒有改變規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
4266.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
4268.01 |
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答案是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
4268.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
4270.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
第二中國改變的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
4270.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
4272.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
有沒有更嚴格的限制了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
4272.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
4274.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
人民不分中國人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
4274.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
4276.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
甚至是境外人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
4276.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
4278.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
外國人士在進出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
4278.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
4280.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
中國的限制有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
4280.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
4282.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
有沒有包括連對外國人士的進出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
4282.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
4284.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
都產生更嚴格的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
4284.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
4286.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
答案是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
4287.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
4289.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
有因為連外媒都已經指出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
4289.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
4291.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
現在的這個規定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
4291.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
4293.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
你這個人只要是在中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
4293.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
4295.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
你對於中國有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
4295.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
4297.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
他所規定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
4297.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
4299.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
他所規定的危害國家安全利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
4299.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
4301.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
危害國家產業安全技術安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
4301.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
4303.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
4303.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
4305.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
你就有可能被限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
4305.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
4307.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
出境你不能離開中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
4307.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
4309.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
這是很明確的法規規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
4309.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
4311.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
第三什麼叫做危害國家安全和利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
4311.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
4313.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
什麼叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
4313.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
4315.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
危害國家產業和安全技術安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
4315.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
4317.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
這就是不確定的法律概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
4317.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
4319.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
這個很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
4319.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
4321.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
這個不帶任何彰品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
4321.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
4323.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
這就是明確客觀的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
4323.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
4325.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
所以中國現在的狀況是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
4325.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
4327.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
他用了一個非常不確定的法律概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
4327.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
4329.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
來對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
4329.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
4331.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
只要在中國境內的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
4331.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
4333.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
中國籍或其他國籍的人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
4333.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
4335.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
都進行嚴格的控管 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
4335.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
4337.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
所以我在這裡問你的結論就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
4337.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
4339.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
請問所有的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
4339.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
4341.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
在進出中國進入中國的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
4341.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
4343.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
風險有沒有上升 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
4343.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
4345.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
風險有沒有上升 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
4345.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
4347.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
我想是非常明顯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
4347.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
4349.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
當然是有啊這個不用再帶任何的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
4349.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
4351.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
爭辯也不用有任何的情緒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
4351.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
4353.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
答案就是有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
4353.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
4355.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
所以我的要求其實就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
4355.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
4357.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
我認為我們對中國當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
4357.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
4359.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
有非常複雜的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
4359.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
4361.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
我們中國和中國有千絲萬縷的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
4361.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
4363.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
中國對我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
4363.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
4365.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
我們對中國其實我們的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
4365.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
4367.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
反而很明確啊我們自始至終 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
4367.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
4369.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
只是要求如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
4369.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
4371.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
我們鼓勵不在政治目的的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
4371.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
4373.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
互動我們要求有平等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
4373.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
4375.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
我們要求不在政治目的的互動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
4375.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
4377.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
就這麼清楚而已嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
4377.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
4379.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
所以在這個交流當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
4379.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
4381.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
立委會您就有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
4381.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
4383.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
要告訴台灣我們自己的國民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
4383.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
4385.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
我們現在進入中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
4385.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
4387.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
有新的事實變動發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
4387.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
4389.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
你進去以後你可能會出不來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
4389.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
4391.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
因為他現在有一個新的法規規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
4391.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
4393.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
就是這樣而且9月15號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
4393.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
4395.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
要實施啊是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
4395.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
4397.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
所以這沒有什麼好爭辯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
4397.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
4399.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
我們在描述的是一個客觀的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
4399.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
4401.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
立委會應該把握每一個機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
4401.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
4403.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
告訴全體的國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
4404.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
4406.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
對岸就是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
4405.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
4407.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
他和我們不同之處也在於如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
4408.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
4410.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
所以大家可以自己做判斷嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
4410.81 |
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4412.81 |
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但是我們會全力守護國人的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
4412.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
4414.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
立委會你同意這樣的說法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
4414.81 |
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4416.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
4416.81 |
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4418.81 |
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我想我們還是要呼籲國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
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4420.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
兩岸關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
4420.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
4422.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
跌宕起伏但是我們對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].start |
4422.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
4424.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
國人的人身安全都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
4424.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
4426.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
重中之重我們呼籲國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
4426.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
4428.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
復入前應該要審慎評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
4428.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
4430.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
充分了解中共法規環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
4430.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
4432.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
極可能的風險避免 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
4432.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
4434.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
人身安全受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
4434.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
4436.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
這是我們不斷的呼籲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
4436.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
4438.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
我們也會通過各種的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
4438.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
4440.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
他9月15號就會實施了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
4440.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
4442.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
會不斷的一直說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
4442.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
對不斷的說明嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
因為現在這個什麼叫做國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
4448.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
你甚至是你看上次的話2023年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
4448.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
4450.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
發生了一本書說描寫重征皇帝的歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
4450.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
4452.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
結果大家突然間說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
4452.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
4454.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
這可能是影射習近平喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].start |
4454.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
4456.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
所以那本書就不見了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
4456.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
4458.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
被消失下架了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].start |
4458.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
4460.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
然後最新的一個例子是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
4462.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
有一個青少年虐狗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
4462.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
4464.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
然後這個這個網路引起軒然大波 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
4464.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
4466.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
他就用這個氣氛來抗議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
4466.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
4468.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
抗議到最後因為世界弄太大了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
4468.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
4470.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
突然之間這個影片就是被全部下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
4470.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
4472.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
這個影片跟政治有關係嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
4472.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
4474.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
沒有啊他只是激動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
4476.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
可能攪動了中國的內部的氣氛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].start |
4476.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
4478.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
這樣的東西也是被箝制啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
4478.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
4480.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
你這樣的東西有沒有可能被認為是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].start |
4480.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
4482.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
危害國家秩序安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].start |
4482.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
4484.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
答案是有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].start |
4484.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
4486.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
因為他在中國的處置上面是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
4486.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
4488.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
這個影片被要求下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
4488.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
4490.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
不是被要求他是直接下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
4490.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
4492.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
是這樣的狀況嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
4492.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
4494.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
所以我們現在的狀況就是處在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
4494.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
4496.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
完全不同的法治層次上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
4496.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
4498.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
所以大家的想像不能用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
4498.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
4500.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
我們自己的態度去想像對岸的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
4500.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
4502.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
所以在這樣的狀況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
4502.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
4504.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
你要選擇什麼樣的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
4504.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
4506.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
要選擇什麼樣的生活型態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
4506.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
4508.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
這就是我們應該給國人明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
4508.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
4510.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
明確的資訊嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
4510.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
4512.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
謝謝主委我是希望陸委會能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
4512.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
4514.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
更客觀的提供更多的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
4514.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
4516.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
不斷的給國人參考啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
4516.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
4518.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
4519.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
4521.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
謝謝蘇巧惠委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
4521.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
4523.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
接下來我們請王鴻威委員請打 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
4533.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
4535.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
好謝謝主席我請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
4535.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
4537.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
邱主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
4542.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
4544.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
4544.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
4546.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
有關於我們今天是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
4546.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
4548.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
大概都是我們的委員的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
4548.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
4552.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
有關於這個兩岸人民關係條例相關的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
4552.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
4554.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
那這些有些修正呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
4554.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
4556.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
是有更提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
4556.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
4560.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
這個相關人士的一些法律的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
4560.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
4562.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
這基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].start |
4562.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
4564.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
我個人是沒有什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].start |
4564.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
4566.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
就不會有什麼反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].start |
4566.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
4568.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
不過這裡面有延長管收的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].start |
4568.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
4570.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
我覺得要怎麼樣去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
4570.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
4574.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
去強化讓整個的法律的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
4574.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
4576.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
更為周詳這也是非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
4576.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
4578.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
只是說現在的看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
4578.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
4580.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
版本非常眾多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
4580.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
4582.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
而且又沒有行政院的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
4582.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
4586.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
所以如果說到時候我們進入了逐條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
4586.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
4590.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
我希望能夠在相關的法律的程序部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
4590.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
4592.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
要有更周詳 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
4592.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
4594.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
不管是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
4594.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
4596.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
不管是你延長收容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
4596.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
4598.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
或者是禁止 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
4598.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
4600.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
這個屆民登記的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
4603.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
4605.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
我們現在看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
4607.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
4611.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
我們陸委會有很多都在講就是說統戰的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
4611.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
4615.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
就是要提醒人民不要被中國大陸統戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
4615.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
4621.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
所以呢包含台北市這個迎來了小熊貓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
4621.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
4623.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
你們也認為有統戰之嫌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
4623.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
4625.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
所以呢相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
4625.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
4630.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
而且是這個市級的這個官員的身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
4630.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
4631.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
你們不讓他來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
4631.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
4633.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
所以小熊貓也會統戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
4633.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
4635.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
或者是海峽論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
4635.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
4637.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
最近陸生來台交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
4637.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
4639.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
也說有統戰的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].start |
4639.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
4641.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
雖然我們嘴巴上講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
4641.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
4643.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
歡迎陸生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
4643.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
4645.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
那我想請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
4645.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
4649.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
最近靖州刊有一個爆料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
4649.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
4651.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
就是叫李退芝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
4651.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
4653.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
我想諸位應該也認識他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
4653.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
4655.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
李退芝呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
4655.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
4657.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
他之前在國際上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
4657.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
4659.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
在國際上的一個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
4659.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
4661.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
他在國際上的一個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
4661.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
4663.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
當時啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
4663.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
4665.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
他原來是台南市議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
4665.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
4667.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
但是在我們賴總統 |
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當時他組閣的時候呢 |
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把他延攬入閣 |
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所以他被外界視之為是 |
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4677.19 |
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賴總統的親信子弟兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
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原來是賴總統組閣 |
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就把他的台南的子弟兵 |
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也延攬入閣了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
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他在國際上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
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4687.19 |
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在國際上的一個報告 |
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他最近啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
4689.19 |
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就被靖州刊爆料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
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說這個有很多台商說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
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看到他多次的遊走兩岸 |
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而且呢 |
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打著是說 |
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是賴總統的救贖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
4701.19 |
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4703.19 |
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甚至呢說是我們副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
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4705.19 |
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梁文傑的大學同學 |
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4707.19 |
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那因為他這樣的一個名號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
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跟他的淵源 |
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4709.19 |
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4711.19 |
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使得大陸的國台辦 |
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4713.19 |
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也非常重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
4713.19 |
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4715.19 |
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也非常重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
4715.19 |
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4717.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
也平平跟他接觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
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4719.19 |
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所以我想請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
4719.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
4721.19 |
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我們立委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
4721.19 |
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4723.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
有沒有掌握到這些訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
4726.43 |
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4728.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
4730.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
包括你提到的當事人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
4730.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
4732.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
副陸都沒有跟我們入委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
4732.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
4734.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
4733.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
4735.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
有所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].start |
4735.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].end |
4737.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].text |
要告知我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].start |
4737.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].end |
4739.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].text |
那他也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].start |
4739.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].end |
4741.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
也沒有在政務官 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].start |
4741.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
4743.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
時間也已經過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].start |
4743.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].end |
4745.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].text |
都沒有我們連審的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].start |
4745.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].end |
4747.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].text |
超過已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
4747.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
4749.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
管制齊了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
4749.91 |
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4751.91 |
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所以也沒有連審 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].start |
4751.91 |
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4753.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
你們不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
4753.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].end |
4755.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
你們事後也不做追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
4755.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].end |
4757.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
有沒有像 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].start |
4757.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
4759.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].text |
比如說像海峽論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
4759.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
4761.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
姚慶明因為他現在是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
4761.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
4763.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
縣長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].start |
4763.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
4765.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
但是有很多像農會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
4765.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
4767.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
他們也不具任何的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
4767.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
4769.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
官方的身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
4769.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].end |
4771.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
你們還是去做調查了不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
4771.91 |
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4773.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
我們有了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].start |
4773.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
4775.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
農委會也有把報告給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
4775.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
4777.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
他認為沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].start |
4777.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
4779.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
違反兩條立法的警示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].start |
4779.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].end |
4781.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
所以你退資入委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
4781.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
4783.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
沒有去了解沒有去調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
4783.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
4785.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
我們去了解他是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
4785.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
4787.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
可能是參展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
4787.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
4789.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
但是並沒有違反什麼法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
4789.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
4791.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
好 等會我會繼續問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
4791.91 |
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4793.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
另外洪其昌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
4793.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
4795.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
我相信主委也很熟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
4795.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
4797.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
洪其昌現在雖然退流了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
4797.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
4801.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
但是他是新潮流的創黨元老 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
4801.91 |
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4803.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
所以他到大陸去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
4803.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
4805.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
也都受到非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
4805.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
4807.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
的禮遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
4807.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
4809.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
他這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
4809.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
4811.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
也常常出入中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
4811.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
4813.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
而且他橫跨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
4813.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
4815.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
領域更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
4815.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
4817.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
從旅遊業 科技業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
4817.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
4819.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
生技業 反正是各式的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
4819.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
4821.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
那都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
4821.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
4823.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
而且這個出入也非常平緩 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
4823.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
4825.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
而且帶團前往 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
4825.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
4827.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
帶團前往 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
4827.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
4829.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
那如果他去參加的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
4829.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
4831.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
也都會成為座上賓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
4831.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
4833.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
那所以請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
4833.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
4837.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
如果會對於洪其昌您這位老友 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
4837.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
4839.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
那麼有沒有去做任何的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
4842.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
4846.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
跟委員 我們有跟當事人問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
4846.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
4848.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
那基本上我們也會提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
4848.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
4850.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
要注意 附陸要注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
4850.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
4852.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
兩岸的相關的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
4852.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
4854.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
那我想他也都很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
4854.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
4856.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
因為他也曾經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
4856.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
4858.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
任職海基會的董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
4858.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
4860.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
4860.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
4862.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
那截至目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
4862.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
4864.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
我好OK |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
4864.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
4866.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
沒有 至少我們沒有試證 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
4866.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
4868.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
瞭解他有不敢去的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
4868.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
4870.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
那今年您知道他還要去嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
4870.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
4872.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
4872.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
4874.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
因為他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
4874.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
4876.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
不是 他時間也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
4876.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
4878.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
超過我們管制期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
4878.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
4880.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
所以他也是民間人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
4880.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
4882.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
所以同樣是民間人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
4882.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
4884.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
那可能我們的農會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
4884.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
4886.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
他去賣水果到大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
4886.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
4888.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
就有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
4888.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
4890.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
那同樣是民間人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
4890.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
4892.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
屬於是賴總統的親信好友 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
4892.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
4894.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
屬於是賴總統的親信好友 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
4894.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
4896.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
就沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
4896.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
4898.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
我們只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
4898.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
4900.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
不要賣到海峽論壇統戰品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
4900.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
4902.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
好 海峽論壇是統戰品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
4902.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
4904.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
4904.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
4906.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
4906.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
4908.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
海峽論壇是統戰品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
4908.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
4910.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
那請問一下北京的咖啡博覽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
4910.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
4912.69 |
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是不是統戰品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
4914.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
4916.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
公務員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
4916.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
4918.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
因為海峽論壇是中共當局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
4918.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
4920.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
他對台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
4920.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
4922.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
統戰的一個大交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
4922.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
4924.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
大合作的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
4924.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
4926.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
由他們主導的一個對台的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
4926.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
4928.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
那我想您提到這個什麼博覽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
4928.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
4930.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
應該不是 |
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4930.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
4932.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
中共當局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
4932.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
4934.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
所以北京咖啡博覽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
4934.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
4936.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
不是統戰品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
4936.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
4938.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
所以李延師他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
4938.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
4940.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
他就是去參加這個咖啡節 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
4940.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
4942.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
不過我可以跟主委報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
4942.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
4944.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
這個北京咖啡節 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
4944.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
4946.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
後來我有在網路上查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
4946.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
4948.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
我想既然我很鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
4948.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
4950.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
台灣的業者去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
4950.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
4952.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
拓展中國大陸市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
4952.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
4954.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
台灣的咖啡很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
4954.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
4956.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
可是他根本沒有咖啡館 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
4956.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
4958.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
也沒有特定的台灣咖啡的攤位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
4958.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
4960.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
事實上是非常非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
4960.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
4962.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
零星的個別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
4962.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
4964.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
廠商而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
4964.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
4966.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
好 那我請問一下這個也是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
4966.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
4968.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
台灣的產業非常有名的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
4968.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
4970.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
金台科技論壇算不算統戰品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
4972.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
4974.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
我想這個論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
4974.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
4976.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
經常在兩岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
4976.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
4978.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
做一些活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
4978.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
4980.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
主委有參加過嗎 我沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
4980.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
4982.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
好 那它是不是統戰品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
4983.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
4985.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
4987.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
它比較複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
4987.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
4989.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
那也經常在做這方面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
4989.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
4991.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
工作 那有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
4991.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
4993.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
統戰 那看事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
4993.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
4995.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
要以事實來認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
4995.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
4997.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
所以因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
4997.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
4999.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
這個洪奇昌連續兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
4999.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
5001.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
都去參加這個金台科技論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
5001.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
5003.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
而且都是座上賓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
5003.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
5005.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
所以你現在不敢講它是統戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
5005.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
5007.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
平台 所以現在是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
5007.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
5009.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
糟糕我們全台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
5009.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
5011.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
這個台灣的企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
5011.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
5013.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
或者是退休的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
5013.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
5015.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
退休或退下來的政務官 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
5015.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
5017.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
都可以去參加 是這個意思嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
5017.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
5019.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
是 委員 如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
5019.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
5021.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
您如果說有人檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
5021.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
5023.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
我們都會來受理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
5023.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
5025.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
我不會檢舉 我不會那麼無聊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
5025.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
5027.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
我只是要問你們的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
5027.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
5029.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
因為你們的定義不能新潮流說了算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
5029.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
5031.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
我剛才講李退之也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
5031.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
5033.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
洪奇昌也好 都是新潮流的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
5033.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
5035.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
然後他們退下來都在游走 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
5035.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
5037.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
兩岸 他們游走兩岸沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
5037.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
5039.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
問題 那別人去賣水果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
5039.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
5041.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
到中國大陸就有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
5041.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
5043.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
我現在關心的是這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
5043.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
5045.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
謝謝委員 委員我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
5045.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
5047.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
把它定位成統戰平台的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
5047.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
5049.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
我們陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
5049.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
5051.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
從2012年每次都講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
5051.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
5053.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
就是海峽論壇 一直到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
5053.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
5055.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
也沒改變 而且是從馬總統時代 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
5055.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
5057.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
就開始呼籲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
5057.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
5059.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
不要去這個統戰平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
5059.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
5061.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
我們只有針對海峽論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
5061.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
5063.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
所以你們現在只針對海峽論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
5063.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
5065.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
像金台科技論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
5065.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
5067.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
裡面參加的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
5067.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
5069.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
大陸的官員一樣的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
5069.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
5071.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
就是要大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
5071.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
5073.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
共同完成祖國統一大業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
5073.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
5075.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
這樣的說評 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
5075.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
5077.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
談話 所以這個都 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
5077.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
5079.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
不算是統戰平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
5079.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
5081.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
在這個金台論壇裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
5081.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
5083.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
大陸官員參加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
5083.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
5085.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
也一定都會講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
5085.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
5087.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
這個是就是兩岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
5087.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
5089.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
要共同完成祖國統一大業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
5089.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
5091.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
那這樣子的論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
5091.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
5093.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
不算是統戰平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
5093.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
5095.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
在陸委會的定義裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
5095.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
5097.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
不算是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
5097.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
5099.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
因為現在只有海峽論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
5099.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
5101.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
如果有人檢舉 我們都會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
5101.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
5103.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
如果說委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
5103.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
5105.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
我就跟你講 我不會檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
5105.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
5107.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
因為我是要來質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
5107.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
5109.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
我是要來質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
5109.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
5111.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
因為很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
5111.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
5113.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
企業也好 民眾也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
5113.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
5115.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
人民團體也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
5115.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
5117.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
他不知道什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
5117.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
5119.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
就變成我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
5119.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
5121.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
陸委會所謂你被統戰的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
5121.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
5123.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
5123.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
5125.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
然後要被調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
5125.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
5127.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
對於農民團體來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
5127.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
5129.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
他參加個海峽論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
5129.27 |
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5131.27 |
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他就要被調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
5131.27 |
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5133.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
對於這個洪其昌來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].start |
5133.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
5135.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
述時他還可以參加金台科技論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].start |
5135.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
5137.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
他不用被調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
5137.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
5139.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
那是不是我 所以我就要問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
5139.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
5141.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
因為我們很多的人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
5141.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
5143.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
很怕去觸犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
5143.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
5145.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
陸委會所稱的被統戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
5145.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
5147.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
這個大帽子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
5147.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
5149.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
一戴下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
5149.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
5151.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
這是王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
5151.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
5153.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
因為委員很關切 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].start |
5153.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
5155.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].text |
那我們會來了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].start |
5155.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
5157.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
金台科技論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
5157.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
5159.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
我要講的是 請你多了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
5159.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
5161.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
在民進黨籍裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
5161.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
5163.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
我剛剛講的 兩個剛剛好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
5163.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
5165.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
都是新潮流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
5165.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
5167.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
主委也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
5167.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
5169.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
然後我們的副主委梁文傑也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
5169.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
5171.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
我要講的統不統戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
5171.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
5173.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
不應該陸委會說了算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
5173.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
5175.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
或者是新潮流說了算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
5175.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
5177.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
不要有雙標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
5177.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
5179.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
不要有雙標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
5179.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
5181.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
我們會遇到證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
5181.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
5183.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
針對今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
5183.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
5185.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
要針對哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
5185.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
5187.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
針對饒慶林也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].start |
5187.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].end |
5189.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].text |
針對我們特別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].start |
5189.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].end |
5191.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].text |
這些農會也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].start |
5191.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].end |
5193.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].text |
然後動輒用這種所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].start |
5193.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].end |
5195.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].text |
統戰的大帽子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].start |
5195.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].end |
5197.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].text |
我要講的難以承受之重 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].start |
5197.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].end |
5199.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].text |
其實他們做的事情都是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].start |
5199.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].end |
5201.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].text |
一個想要去賣咖啡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].start |
5201.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].end |
5203.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].text |
一個想要去賣水果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].start |
5203.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].end |
5205.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].text |
他們的行為有什麼差別呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].start |
5205.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].end |
5207.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].text |
只是因為他們政黨不同 流派不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].start |
5207.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].end |
5209.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].text |
是 我們遇到證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].start |
5209.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].end |
5211.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].start |
5210.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].end |
5212.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].text |
謝謝王宏偉委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].start |
5215.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].end |
5217.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].text |
接下來我們請張宏祿委員巡大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].start |
5228.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].end |
5230.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].text |
我請邱主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].start |
5237.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].end |
5239.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].text |
張宏祿也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].start |
5240.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].end |
5244.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].text |
其實我們跟中國的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].start |
5244.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].end |
5246.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].text |
其實有很多很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
5246.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].end |
5248.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].text |
其實民眾都不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].start |
5248.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].end |
5250.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].text |
那我想在這邊請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].start |
5250.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].end |
5252.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].text |
主委你知不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].start |
5252.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].end |
5254.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].text |
現在他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].start |
5254.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
5256.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].text |
透過很多管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].start |
5256.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].end |
5258.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].text |
邀請我們台灣的學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].start |
5258.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].end |
5260.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].text |
去中國訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
5263.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
5265.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].text |
這個你知不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].start |
5265.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
5267.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].text |
是 每年都會透過很多管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].start |
5267.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
5269.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].text |
特別是暑假期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].start |
5270.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].end |
5272.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].text |
那過去呢 如果人數多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].start |
5272.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
5274.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].text |
還會在北京萬人大會師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].start |
5274.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].end |
5276.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].text |
那在不同的地點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].start |
5276.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
5278.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
有所謂千人會師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
5278.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
5280.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
所以暑假期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].start |
5280.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
5282.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
我們也特別提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
5282.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].end |
5284.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].text |
教育部跟所屬的學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
5284.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].end |
5286.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].text |
要能夠了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].start |
5286.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].end |
5288.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].text |
我們贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].start |
5288.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].end |
5290.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].text |
對等尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].start |
5290.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].end |
5292.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].text |
沒有統戰正常健康有序的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].start |
5292.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
5294.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
學術或學生的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].start |
5294.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].end |
5296.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].text |
要完成請假程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].start |
5299.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].end |
5305.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].text |
要上這個兩岸教育活動的這些網站來報備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].start |
5305.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].end |
5307.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].text |
但是我們不希望我們的學生去到大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].start |
5307.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].end |
5309.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].text |
接待的是統戰部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].start |
5309.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].end |
5311.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].text |
接待是各地臺辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].start |
5311.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].end |
5313.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].text |
然後就進行統戰的行程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].start |
5313.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].end |
5315.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].text |
參觀紅色根據地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].start |
5315.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].end |
5319.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].text |
參觀各種的統戰愛國基地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].start |
5319.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
5321.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].text |
為主的這些統戰行程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].start |
5322.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
5324.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].text |
那這個我們就需要跟各部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].start |
5324.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].end |
5326.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].text |
教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].start |
5326.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
5328.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
各學校能夠遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].start |
5328.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
5330.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].text |
但現在有沒有參觀那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].start |
5330.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
5332.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].text |
你剛說的那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].start |
5332.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].end |
5334.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].text |
跟我們這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].start |
5334.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
5336.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].text |
因為我想教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].start |
5336.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].end |
5338.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].text |
做了很多要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].start |
5338.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].end |
5340.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].text |
我想監察院的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].start |
5340.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].end |
5342.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].text |
是從2021年到2025年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].start |
5342.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].end |
5344.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].text |
特別是前幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].start |
5344.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].end |
5346.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].text |
確實比較多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].start |
5346.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
5348.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].text |
那這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].start |
5348.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].end |
5350.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
我想教育部非常積極負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].start |
5350.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
5352.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].text |
也積極的跟各學校說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].start |
5352.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
5354.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].text |
而且要搭配 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
5354.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
5356.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].text |
剛說的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].start |
5356.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
5358.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].text |
網路的這些登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
5358.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].end |
5360.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].text |
那同時 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
5360.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
5362.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
在登錄過程給大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
5362.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
5364.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].text |
檢核安全的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].start |
5364.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].end |
5366.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].text |
而且配合上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
5366.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
5368.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].text |
這些試圖教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
5368.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
5370.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].text |
所以我們現在的學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
5370.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
5372.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].text |
附錄第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
5372.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
5374.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].text |
數量減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
5374.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
5376.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].text |
第二個也在各校做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
5376.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
5378.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
師生安全的這些保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
5378.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
5380.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
上完試圖教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
5380.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
5382.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
再去中國大陸交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
5382.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
5384.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
這樣比較不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
5384.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
5386.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
確定都有照主委你說的這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
5386.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
5388.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
我們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
5388.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
5390.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
很多是透過網路上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
5390.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
5392.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
是在招攬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
5392.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
5394.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
是透過網路的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
5394.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].end |
5396.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].text |
是透過學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
5396.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
5398.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
這個部分有做到主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
5398.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
5400.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
你剛說的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
5400.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
5402.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
5402.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
5404.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
我們那一套教育部的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
5404.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
5406.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
登錄的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
5406.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
5408.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
是要包括老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
5408.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
5410.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
學生或是單純學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
5410.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
5412.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
或者是學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
5412.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
5414.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
出團都必須要登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
5414.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
5416.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
當然他有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
5416.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
5418.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
找社會的中間團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
5418.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
5420.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
來組團 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
5420.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
5422.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
那過去教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
5422.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
5424.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
也有去規範這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
5424.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
5426.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
從外界來的這些中介團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
5426.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
5428.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
我們希望這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
5428.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
5430.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
中介團體呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
5430.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
5432.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
如果有帶師生到中國大陸交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
5432.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
5434.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
第一個安全是第一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
5434.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
5436.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
第二個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
5436.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
5438.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
不要有統戰的行程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].start |
5438.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
5440.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
那通常呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
5440.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
5442.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
我們都會透過各個學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
5442.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].end |
5444.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
去要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
5444.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
5446.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
去控管 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
5446.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
5448.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
因為還是要從學校來控管比較適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
5448.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
5450.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
那我暑假嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].start |
5450.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
5452.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
我透過其他的民間團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
5452.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
5454.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
他在網路上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
5454.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
5456.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
有做到登記嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].start |
5456.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].end |
5458.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].text |
有做到百分之百嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].start |
5458.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].end |
5460.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].text |
有這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].start |
5460.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].end |
5462.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].text |
我們就需要學生如果去的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
5462.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
5464.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
那你現在知道有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].start |
5464.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
5466.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
有百分之百嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].start |
5466.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
5468.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
當然很難做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
5468.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
5470.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].text |
不過大部分都有按照規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
5470.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
5472.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
慢慢的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].start |
5472.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
5474.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].text |
大部分就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
5474.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
5476.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].text |
沒有全部啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].start |
5476.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
5478.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].text |
我們事實上發現是沒有全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
5478.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].end |
5480.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
5480.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
5482.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].text |
那我為什麼特別問這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
5482.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
5484.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].text |
中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
5484.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
5486.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].text |
除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
5486.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
5488.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
宗教啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
5488.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
5490.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].text |
除了一些反正免費旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
5490.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
5492.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
或什麼越來越多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
5492.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
5494.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].text |
連學生越來越多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
5494.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].end |
5496.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].text |
這個連國小連什麼都 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
5496.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
5498.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
我記得我上次質詢的時候也有問到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
5498.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
5500.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
這個如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
5500.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
5502.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].text |
台親一家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
5502.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
5504.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].text |
他把那個很多這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
5504.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
5506.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].text |
我們優秀的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
5506.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
5508.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
大學生或什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
5508.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
5510.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].start |
5510.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
5512.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].text |
這個也是對國安會有很大的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
5512.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
5514.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
5514.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
5516.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
他是整個都這樣子下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
5516.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
5518.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
5518.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
5520.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
你民間團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
5520.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
5522.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
他有可能去處理到民間團體嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
5522.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
5524.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
他有可能是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
5524.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
5526.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
這樣重複 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
5526.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
5528.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
真的是有去登入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
5528.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
5530.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
我覺得不大可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
5530.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
5532.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
5531.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
5533.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
5532.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
5534.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
5534.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
5536.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
有沒有你們有沒有去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
5536.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
5538.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
有沒有什麼學生制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].start |
5538.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].end |
5540.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].text |
重複去好幾次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
5541.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].end |
5543.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].text |
如果他都有上網登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].start |
5543.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
5545.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
當然我們會發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
5545.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
5547.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].text |
剛剛委員講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].start |
5547.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
5549.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].text |
他很可能是社會團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].start |
5549.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].end |
5551.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].text |
招攬著 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].start |
5551.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
5553.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
這部分我們也在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
5553.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
5555.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
跨部會的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
5555.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
5557.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
當學校由教育部主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
5557.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
5559.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
那如果是一般的社會團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
5559.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
5561.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].text |
我們也請內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].start |
5561.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
5563.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
5563.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
5565.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].text |
如果有人檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].start |
5565.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
5567.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].text |
他疑似 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
5567.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
5569.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
違反我們兩岸條例的相關規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
5569.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
5571.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
那我們當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].start |
5571.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].end |
5573.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].text |
就如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].start |
5573.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].end |
5575.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].text |
他是社會團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
5575.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
5577.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].text |
那我們就請內政部來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].start |
5577.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].end |
5579.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].start |
5579.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].end |
5581.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].text |
來做有沒有違反相關的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].start |
5581.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].end |
5583.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].text |
查處或調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
5583.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
5585.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].text |
目前我們都有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].start |
5585.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
5587.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
目前有調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
5587.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
5589.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
對對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
5589.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
5591.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
有調查了多少個團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].start |
5591.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
5593.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
不用講名字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
5593.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
5595.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
有我們是不是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
5595.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
5597.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
沒有大概就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
5597.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
5599.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
不是考試 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
5599.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
5601.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
我知道有好幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].start |
5601.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
5603.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
就是蠻著名的團長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
5603.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
5605.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
那我們再把名單送給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
5605.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
5607.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
有沒有查出來任何的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].start |
5608.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
5610.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].text |
有沒有查出來任何的不法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].start |
5610.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
5612.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
有然後也把它解散掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
5612.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].end |
5614.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].text |
也依法解散 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].start |
5614.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
5616.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
那我們對這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
5616.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
5618.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
5618.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
5620.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
接到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].start |
5620.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
5622.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
中共指示委託資助的相關團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
5622.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
5624.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
這明顯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
5624.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
5626.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
就是一種統戰的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
5626.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
5628.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
我重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
5628.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
5630.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
要問你就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
5630.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
5632.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
我們現在是把它解散 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
5632.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
5634.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].start |
5634.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
5636.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
好像沒有裁罰沒有什麼任何 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].start |
5636.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
5638.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
5639.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
5641.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
好像沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].start |
5641.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
5643.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
我想解散就是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
5643.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
5645.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
沒有啊解散它可以另外再用一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
5645.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
5647.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
你覺不覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
5647.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
5649.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
需要修法來防堵這一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
5650.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
5652.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].start |
5652.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
5654.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
我們當然如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
5654.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
5656.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
它仍然在另起爐灶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].start |
5656.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
5658.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
在以新的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
5658.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
5660.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
社團名義 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
5660.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
5662.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
當然我們就需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
5662.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
5664.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
有更重的這個裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
5664.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
5666.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
這個我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
5666.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
5668.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
我只問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
5668.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
5670.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
如果修法來堵這個漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
5670.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
5672.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
你贊不贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
5672.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
5674.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
這樣就好嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
5674.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
5676.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
你贊成嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
5676.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
5678.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
5679.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
5681.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
謝謝張宏祿委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
5681.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
5683.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
5686.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
5688.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
接下來我們請王美慧委員巡達 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
5702.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
5704.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
主席我們這樣主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
5704.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
5706.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
請求主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
5710.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
5712.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
王委員你好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
5712.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
5714.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
5714.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
5716.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
本來要跟你探討今天問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
5716.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
5718.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
第一點就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
5718.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
5720.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
我們的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
5720.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
5722.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
5721.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
5723.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
查出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
5722.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
5724.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
在這個181年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
5724.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
5726.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
5727.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
5729.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
不是大學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
5729.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
5731.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
大體耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
5730.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
5732.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
現在是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
5732.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
5734.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
更小更重更重 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
5734.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
5736.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
都在喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
5736.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
5738.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
自己這個過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
5738.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
5740.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
5739.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
5741.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
一噹一噹一滴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
5741.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
5743.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
乾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
5742.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
5744.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
很多人去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
5744.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
5746.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
主委本來要跟你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
5746.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
5748.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
請求助你感知這個嚴重性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
5750.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
5752.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
主席我們也有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
5752.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
5754.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
這個監察院的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
5754.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
5756.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
特別剛剛委員說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
5756.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
5758.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
這個小學生附錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
5758.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
5760.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
狂飆了27倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
5760.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
5762.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
對喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
5762.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
5764.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
這也是非常認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
5764.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
5766.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
因為小學生不會自己去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
5766.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
5768.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
一定是大人帶去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
5768.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
5770.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
那這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
5770.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
5772.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
我們也有去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
5772.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
5774.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
為什麼那麼多的民間團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
5774.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
5776.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
招攬小學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
5776.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
5778.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
到中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
5778.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
5780.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
一方面可能有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
5780.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
5782.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
小學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
5782.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
5784.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
都是大人帶去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
5784.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
5786.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
那我們也跟教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
5786.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
5788.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
跟他們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
5788.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
5790.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
要再跟他們宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
5790.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
5792.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
5792.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
5794.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
這個小學生附錄的風險也比較高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
5794.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
5796.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
因為小朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
5796.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
5798.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
那也請他們要注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
5798.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
5800.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
師生的安全之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
5800.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
5802.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
我們特別也知道他的困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
5802.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
5804.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
因為許多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
5804.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
5806.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
中小學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
5806.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
5808.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
在地方主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
5808.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
5810.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
那所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
5810.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
5812.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
教育部可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
5812.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
5814.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
很困難去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
5814.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
5816.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
管到各縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
5816.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
5818.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
特別是他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
5818.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
5820.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
縣市首長如果跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
5820.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
5822.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
中國大陸比較常往來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
5822.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
5824.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
比較親善的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
5824.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
5826.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
他們的中小學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
5826.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
5828.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
學校可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
5828.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
5830.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
有樣學樣也做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
5830.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
5832.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
對中國比較沒有戒心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
5832.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
5834.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
那事實上中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
5834.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
5836.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
對台灣的統戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
5836.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
5838.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
可以說從娃娃抓起 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
5838.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
5840.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
從小就給你置入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
5840.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
5842.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
親中的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
5842.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
5844.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
主委你覺得這樣很厲害嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
5844.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
5846.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
5846.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
5848.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
在這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
5848.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
5850.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
我們如果覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
5850.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
5852.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
他很困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
5852.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
5854.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
有中有小有中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
5855.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
5857.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
這是非常嚴重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].start |
5857.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
5859.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
我們之前討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
5859.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
5861.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
他是說大學生去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
5863.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
5865.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
現在是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
5865.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
5867.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
國小跟國中的這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
5867.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
5869.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
那都幾千的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
5869.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
5871.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
5871.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
5873.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
在這個裡面 |
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5873.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
5875.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
包括電影 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
5875.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
5877.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
5877.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
5879.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
5879.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
5881.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
5881.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].end |
5883.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
5883.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
5885.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
5885.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
5887.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].start |
5887.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
5889.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
5889.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].end |
5891.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
5891.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
5893.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
5893.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
5895.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
5895.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
5897.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
5897.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
5899.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
5899.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
5901.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
5901.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
5903.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
5885.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
5887.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
去法國也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
5887.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
5889.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
還是酒店也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
5890.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
5892.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
5892.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
5894.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
你知道這種事在電影的管理的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
5894.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
5896.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
是非常嚴重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
5896.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
5898.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
是 委員謝謝你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
5898.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
5900.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
我們要因應中共 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
5900.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
5902.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
對台灣青少年統戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
5902.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
5904.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
不斷向下延伸的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
5904.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
5906.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
特別是透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
5906.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
5908.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
跟各縣市的教育局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
5908.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
5910.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
或者各縣市的中小學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
5910.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
5912.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
來進行這方面交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
5912.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
5914.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
我們已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
5914.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
5916.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
有會同教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
5916.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
5918.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
也拜託教育部相關機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
5918.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
5920.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
要能夠跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
5920.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
5922.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
各中小學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
5922.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
5924.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
能夠多做宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
5924.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
5926.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
同時呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
5926.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
5928.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
我們也很願意對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
5928.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
5930.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
主委你的意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
5934.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
5936.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].text |
要關市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
5936.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
5938.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
去來說這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
5938.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
5940.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
非常嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
5940.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
5942.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
我們也要讓現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
5942.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
5944.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
市的國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
5944.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
5946.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].text |
國小看的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
5946.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
5948.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].text |
是不是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
5949.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
5951.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].text |
第八位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
5951.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
5953.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
5953.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
5955.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
我們也會去拜訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
5955.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
5957.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
不然你去馬里東翁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
5957.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
5959.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
你拜訪拜訪到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
5959.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
5961.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
已經很嚴重了 包括各中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
5961.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
5963.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].text |
包括各小 包括各中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
5963.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
5965.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
都情外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
5965.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
5967.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
你看我給你報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
5967.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
5969.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
我們對國中小學的學生老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
5969.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
5971.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
特別是老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
5972.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].end |
5974.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
我們都願意去跟他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
5974.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
5976.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
說明這個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
5976.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
5978.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
然後提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
5978.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
5980.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].text |
還有提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
5980.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
5982.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
試圖教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
5982.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
5984.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
就是要向下扎根 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
5984.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
5986.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
所以我們現在試圖教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
5986.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
5988.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].text |
在大專院校 在高中生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
5988.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
5990.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
已經展開 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
5990.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
5992.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
我們要向下扎根 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
5992.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
5994.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
你們大學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
5994.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
5996.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
因為自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
5996.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
5998.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
變成說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
5998.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
6000.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
這是對國家好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
6000.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
6002.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
大家不要光顧國小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
6002.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
6006.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
這是小孩對民的政府管理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
6006.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
6008.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
你說 要去那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
6008.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
6010.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].text |
要上網登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
6011.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].end |
6013.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].text |
主委 我的請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
6013.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
6015.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
到今天你要去的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
6015.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
6017.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
有多少人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
6021.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
6023.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
我上中小學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
6023.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
6025.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
不是你想啦 你要自己看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
6025.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
6027.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
你自己的目的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
6027.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
6029.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
小你的世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
6029.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
6031.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
你要去才登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
6031.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].end |
6033.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].text |
不是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
6033.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].end |
6035.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].text |
因為我們要國家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].start |
6036.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].end |
6038.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].text |
超超粒粒安安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].start |
6038.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].end |
6040.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].text |
沒什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].start |
6039.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].end |
6041.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].text |
我今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
6041.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].end |
6043.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].text |
這是真的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
6043.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].end |
6045.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].text |
你看 一定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].start |
6045.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].end |
6047.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].text |
國小 一定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
6047.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].end |
6049.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].text |
雖然他有跟他們家的大人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].start |
6050.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].end |
6052.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].text |
去 欽哥 到現在也沒登記喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].start |
6053.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].end |
6055.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
你到底在聽什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
6056.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].end |
6058.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].text |
當下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].start |
6058.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].end |
6060.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].text |
我們沒登記喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
6060.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].end |
6062.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].text |
我們也沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].start |
6062.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].end |
6064.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].text |
來發落 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].start |
6064.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].end |
6066.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].text |
現在這樣怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
6065.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].end |
6067.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].text |
我們覺得還是要強化宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].start |
6067.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].end |
6069.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].text |
還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].start |
6069.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].end |
6071.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].text |
跟地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
6071.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].end |
6073.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].text |
要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
6073.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].end |
6075.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].text |
那麼我們這些小朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
6075.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
6077.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].text |
主委 我是怎麼這樣啦 你問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
6077.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
6079.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
人要8月15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
6079.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].end |
6081.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].text |
春24天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
6081.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].end |
6083.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].text |
小朋友就沒在開課 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
6083.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].end |
6085.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].text |
在小朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
6085.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].end |
6087.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
春24天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
6087.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
6089.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
你們都沒去做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
6090.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
6092.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
你有這個對當地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
6094.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
6096.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
他們都沒在開課 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
6096.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
6098.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
小朋友要去大樓 要去哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
6100.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
6102.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
其實教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
6102.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
6104.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
早都有發現這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
6104.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
6106.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
監察院的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
6106.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
6108.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
報告只有到2025年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
6108.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
6110.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
但是整個趨勢已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
6110.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
6112.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
降下來的 我們要感謝教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
6112.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
6114.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
一直在做宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
6114.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
6116.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
包括地方政府 那未來我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
6116.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
6118.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
也會去跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
6118.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
6120.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
政府再強調這方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
6120.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
6122.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
我們願意提供各種的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
6122.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
6124.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
教材 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
6124.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
6126.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
課程 多元化的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
6126.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
6128.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
這些相關對中國大陸的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
6128.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
6130.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
也呼籲我們中小學的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
6130.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
6132.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
師資 因為都是跟老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
6132.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
6134.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
有關 我們會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
6134.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
6136.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
提供更多的教材給 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
6136.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
6138.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
中小學的老師能夠了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
6138.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
6140.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
那麼對於特別帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
6140.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
6142.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
小朋友去中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
6142.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
6144.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
這必須要符合政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
6144.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
6146.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
相關的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
6146.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
6148.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
還有讓家長要同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
6148.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
6150.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
這個也滿重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
6150.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
6152.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
所以我們會努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
6153.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
6155.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
6165.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
6167.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
大家晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
6167.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
6169.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
一定是1千21的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
6169.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
6171.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
是是是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
6171.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
6173.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
這不是直接說說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
6173.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
6175.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
這樣就算了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
6175.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
6177.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
我們也是平常是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
6177.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
6179.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
我們還要去找 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
6179.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
6181.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
中地的管理長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
6181.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
6183.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
6183.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
6185.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
不是現在要接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
6185.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
6187.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
6187.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
6189.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
再來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
6189.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
6191.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
中地的管理長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
6192.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
6193.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
工 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
6194.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
6196.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
講又沒學了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
6196.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
6198.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
到現在都沒人上去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
6198.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
6200.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
我們也不怕你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
6200.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
6202.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
跟地方也不信你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
6202.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
6204.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
是是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
6204.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
6206.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
所以你覺得地方不信你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
6206.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
6208.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
用國小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
6208.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
6210.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
也去大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
6210.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
6212.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
中國了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
6212.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
6214.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
將近要回海了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
6214.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
6216.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
要開學了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
6216.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
6218.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
8月25號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
6218.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
6220.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
主委你會怕嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
6220.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
6222.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
很不開心嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
6222.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
6224.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
當然 剛才也跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
6224.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
6226.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
經營度人數有減少很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
6226.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
6228.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
那我們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
6228.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
6230.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
監察院這邊報告還是非常難得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
6230.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
6232.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
我們也有請教監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
6232.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
6234.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
確實在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
6234.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
6236.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
2021年到2025年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
6236.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
6238.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
特別小學生去的數目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
6238.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
6240.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
特別高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
6241.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
6243.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
有減少很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
6243.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
6245.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
這兩年我們教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
6245.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
6247.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
很努力在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
6247.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
6249.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
你不努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
6249.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
6251.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
我們也有合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
6251.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
6253.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
我們都有合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
6253.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
6255.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
在這張我等一下送給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
6255.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
6257.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
你說越來越少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
6257.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
6259.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
是越來越少中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
6259.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
6261.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
6261.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
6263.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
但是今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
6263.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
6265.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
減少很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
6265.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
6267.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
6266.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
6268.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
主委 我覺得這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
6268.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
6270.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
保護這些小孩的思維 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
6270.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
6272.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
還有保護中華民國的台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
6272.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
6274.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
的存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
6274.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
6276.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
6276.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
6278.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
你們畢竟在第一手的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
6278.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
6280.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
你們就要看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
6280.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
6282.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
怎麼處理得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
6282.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
6284.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
不是辦的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
6283.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
6285.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
你說越來越少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
6285.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
6287.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
跟這個越來越多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
6287.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
6289.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
我了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
6289.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
6291.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
你了解就要去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
6291.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
6293.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
不是了解而已 以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
6293.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
6295.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
好 感謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
6294.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
6296.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
謝謝王美慧委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
6296.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
6298.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
接下來我們請黃捷委員詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
6311.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
6313.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
好 謝主席 請吹主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
6313.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
6315.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
6320.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
6322.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
王美慧 妳好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
6338.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
6340.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
所以第一個就是要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
6340.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
6342.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
請問我們高中以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
6342.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
6344.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
包括國小國中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
6344.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
6346.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
這些校園如果他們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
6346.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
6348.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
父中交流的這些活動你們都有掌握嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
6349.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
6351.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
跟委員坦承 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
6351.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
6353.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
過去對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
6353.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
6355.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
各地方政府的中小學 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
6355.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
6357.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
包括連 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
6357.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
6359.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
教育部的影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
6359.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
6361.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
或是宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
6361.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
6363.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
能不能向下落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
6363.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
6365.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
都比較容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
6365.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
6367.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
有沒有落實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
6367.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
6369.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
6369.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
6371.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
看起來是沒有嘛 因為其實監察院的這個報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
6371.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
6373.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
也有提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
6373.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
6375.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
雖然我們高中以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
6375.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
6377.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
父中的人數是已經成長到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
6377.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
6379.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
27倍了 但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
6379.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
6381.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
教育部針對兩岸交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
6381.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
6383.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
的維師進行處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
6383.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
6385.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
的只有32次裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
6385.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
6387.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
都是大專院校 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].start |
6387.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
6389.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
也就是說掌握度比較高的 |
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還是只有大學以上 |
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那高中以下甚至是 |
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發現說這是一個非常大的 |
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安全的隱憂跟一個破口 |
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所以我在這邊想要請教的是 |
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我們陸委會 |
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跟教育部這邊到底 |
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現在 |
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跨部會討論的怎麼樣 |
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如何進一步的去 |
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防範這些事情的發生 |
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謝謝委員 我覺得跨部會沒有問題 |
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我們跟教育部 |
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內政部跟相關的 |
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部會 我們協助的 |
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都非常的好 |
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那現在我們要努力的 |
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就是剛剛委員所說的 |
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必須要跟地方政府 |
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跟各縣市政府跟我們拜託 |
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這個從娃娃抓起 |
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我們不應該去配合中共的統戰 |
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而且這些小朋友 |
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或是國中生 |
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他們對 |
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很多的認知概念 |
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還在醞釀當中 |
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馬上帶去中國大陸 |
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被他們洗腦 |
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或是注入他們的這些 |
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中共的這些 |
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認知 這個對他們 |
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未來的養成發展並不健康 |
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那麼我們也認為 |
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這個對 |
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我們台灣的小孩 |
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而言都是一個風險 |
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所以如果去參觀的地方 |
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都是中共的統戰愛國基地 |
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都是他的紅色的企業 |
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或是宣傳的基地 |
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那這個容易 |
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累積錯誤的資訊 |
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這個並不好 |
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所以我們也會跟地方政府 |
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來加強溝通 |
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那麼希望教育部的 |
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這些試圖教育 |
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可以向下延伸到 |
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中小學的老師 |
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甚至一般的同學 |
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我在想啦 |
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除了宣導之外 |
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第一個是高中以下 |
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雖然主管機關是地方政府 |
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但是我們陸委會有沒有辦法 |
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訂一個準則 |
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要求高中職以下的 |
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就算是學校他們要提供 |
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這些交流團的資訊 |
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或者是他們要附中 |
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都還是要經過一定的申報程序 |
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陸委會這邊有沒有機會 |
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是做這樣的處置 |
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因為不然變得你們完全無法掌握啊 |
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他們透過各種 |
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可能教師直接傳在這種 |
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學生群組的也有 |
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甚至是我也知道說 |
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很多的民間團體 |
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甚至是他們會直接跟學校的 |
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可能什麼推廣處聯絡 |
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或者是行政單位聯絡 |
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那就是說幫我們轉發資訊就好 |
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6538.31 |
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那甚至他的單位是民間單位喔 |
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就例如說什麼 |
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6542.31 |
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之前有一些什麼 |
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6544.31 |
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公共事務管理學會 |
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類似這樣他們就說請幫我們發一下資訊 |
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然後我們這邊可以落地交代的 |
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這種都有 |
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那如果你知道說有一些什麼 |
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6554.31 |
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暑期的交流團那些都是民間團體 |
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6556.31 |
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請學校甚至是直接跟老師聯絡 |
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6558.31 |
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幫我們發一下資訊 |
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我們這邊落地交代 |
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6562.31 |
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然後內容是什麼 |
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6564.31 |
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告訴你一些中共的會台政策 |
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像你剛剛講的直接去帶你參訪一些紅色企業 |
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就是有啊 |
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6570.31 |
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這些事情非常多不斷的在發生 |
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那你現在只跟我說 |
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我們會跟地方政府來宣導 |
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因為他們是主管機關 |
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這樣怎麼對呢 |
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6576.72 |
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6578.72 |
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是謝謝委員喔 |
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6580.72 |
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委員剛剛講的那些形態 |
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6582.72 |
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類型喔 包括很多的 |
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6584.72 |
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一些公共協會 |
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6586.72 |
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一些社團 |
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6588.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
組織這些學生 |
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6590.72 |
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附錄 剛才有一些委員提到 |
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6592.72 |
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類似的 我們都歡迎跟我們檢舉 |
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6593.6 |
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6595.6 |
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歡迎家長跟我們檢舉 |
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6597.6 |
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那麼我們就會依照 |
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6599.6 |
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兩岸條例相關的規範 |
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比如說未曾政府許可 |
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6603.6 |
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不得從事 |
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6605.6 |
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這個有關於 |
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6605.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
6607.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
這個兩岸的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
6607.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
6609.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
這些交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
6609.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
6611.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
各種任何形式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
6611.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
6613.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
這些合作的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
6613.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
6615.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
那我們都可以依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
6615.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
6617.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
兩岸條例33條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
6617.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
6619.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
那我們如果是屬於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
6619.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
6621.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
內政部管的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
6621.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
6623.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
這些團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
6623.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
6625.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
我們就交給內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
6625.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
6627.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
來做主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
6627.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
6629.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
如果是相關的教育團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
6629.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
6631.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
那我們就交給教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
6631.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
6633.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
那我們都會來積極的查處 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
6633.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
6635.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
那至於委員剛剛有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
6635.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
6637.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
是不是我們可以跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
6637.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
6639.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
教育部再做一些法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
6639.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
6641.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
向下延伸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
6641.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
6643.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
要求我們各中小學 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
6643.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
6645.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
能夠有一個指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
6645.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
6647.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
或是要求他們要來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].start |
6647.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
6649.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
上網 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
6649.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
6651.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
那就是剛剛說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
6651.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
6653.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
兩岸教育交流活動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
6653.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
6655.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
登錄那個網站 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
6655.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
6657.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
那是給各級學校的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
6657.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
6659.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
不是只有給大學生用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
6659.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
6661.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
那這部分我們如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
6661.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
6663.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
來做一些指引跟宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].start |
6663.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
6665.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
這可能我們跟教育部再來一些努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
6665.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
6667.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
6667.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
6669.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
我再次具體建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
6669.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
6671.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
第一個是像剛剛主委說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
6671.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
6673.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
就是如果家長有發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
6673.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
6675.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
這個是非常不對等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
6675.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
6677.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
然後沒有尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
6677.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
6679.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
家長的交流就例如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
6679.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
6681.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
他很明顯就是帶你去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
6681.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
6683.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
把這些什麼中共的會台政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
6683.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
6685.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
直接在他們的群組裡面宣傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
6685.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
6687.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
或者是他們就跟你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
6687.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
6689.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
到這邊你都不用付錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
6689.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
6691.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
這個全部都免費 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
6691.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
6693.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
這是一看就有問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
6693.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
6695.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
那請這個有發現的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
6695.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
6697.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
及早的跟我們陸委會來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
6697.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
6699.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
來檢舉這個都要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
6699.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
6701.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
那另外一方面就是這一些人民團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
6701.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
6703.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
因為我看教育部的回應是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
6703.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
6705.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
因為人民團體不是教育部管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
6705.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
6708.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
所以人民團體就算是藉由學校這個管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
6708.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
6710.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
去跟學生去收攏 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
6710.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
6712.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
去把這些娃娃抓起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].start |
6712.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
6714.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
但是教育部罰不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
6716.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
6718.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].text |
罰不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
6717.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
6719.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
因為他們說人民團體不是他們管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
6719.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
6721.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
這個要跟內政部講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
6721.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
6723.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
但問題是教育部也沒有跟內政部講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
6723.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
6726.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
所以你們跨部會的協調非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
6726.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
6729.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].text |
這個通報的機制拜託務必建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
6729.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].end |
6731.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
6731.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].end |
6733.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].text |
跟委員保證現在不會有所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].start |
6733.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].end |
6735.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
監委說什麼護踢啤酒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
6735.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].end |
6737.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].text |
不可能現在我們各部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
6737.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].end |
6739.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].text |
我們都一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
6739.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].end |
6741.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
在相同的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
6741.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
6743.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
一起協力分工合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
6743.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].end |
6745.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
而且我們合作很愉快 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
6745.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].end |
6747.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].start |
6782.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].end |
6784.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
謝謝黃捷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
6784.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].end |
6786.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].text |
接下來我們請廖先生詳詔文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
6794.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].end |
6796.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].text |
好謝謝主席麻煩我們撤退 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
6801.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].end |
6803.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
廖委員你好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
6803.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
6805.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
那個主席早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
6805.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
6807.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
這個先跟你聊一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
6807.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
6809.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
題外話啦當然會跟今天的主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
6809.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].end |
6811.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
也是會有點關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
6811.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].end |
6813.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
就是我們如果在討論一些外籍移工 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
6813.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
6815.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
在台灣的工作權益的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
6817.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
6819.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
我們常常會有很多人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
6819.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
6821.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
包括我們現在國內的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
6821.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
6823.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
大概都這樣規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
6823.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
6825.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
和他比較勞基法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
6825.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
6827.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
不會因為外國人就有不同的待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
6827.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
6829.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
原則上是這樣的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
6829.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
6831.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
會這樣子的規定一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
6831.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
6833.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
是普世價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
6833.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
6835.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
人權等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
6835.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
6837.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
但是裡面有一個很重要的精神是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
6837.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
6839.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
我們也希望說我們中華民國的國民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
6839.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
6841.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
到外國去工作的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
6841.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
6843.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
我們也不要被外國的法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
6843.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
6845.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
歧視所以從我們自己做起 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
6845.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
6847.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
也希望說全世界的各個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
6847.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
6849.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
的國家都能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
6849.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
6851.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
有這樣子的一個普世的價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
6851.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
6853.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
不要有歧視 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
6853.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
6855.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
這個都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
6855.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
6857.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
為了自己的國民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
6857.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
6859.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
那一樣的我們今天討論到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
6859.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
6861.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
今天有討論到兩岸人民關係條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
6861.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
6863.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
有提到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
6863.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
6865.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
購買不動產的權的法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
6865.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
6867.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
或者是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
6867.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
6869.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
拘留的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
6871.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
6873.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
6873.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
6875.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
對 收容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
6875.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
6877.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
這兩個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
6877.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
6879.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
我們都希望說我們的國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
6879.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
6881.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
比如說我們台灣人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
6881.02 |
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6883.02 |
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到大陸地區 |
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6883.02 |
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6885.02 |
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我們不要被受到歧視 |
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6885.72 |
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6887.72 |
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平等是非常重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
6887.72 |
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6889.72 |
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那我們現在 |
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6889.72 |
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6891.72 |
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台灣人到大陸去買 |
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6891.72 |
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6893.72 |
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房地產 |
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6893.18 |
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6895.18 |
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有沒有怎樣相關的一個限制 |
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6895.18 |
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6897.18 |
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例如說現在委員提出來 |
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6897.18 |
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6899.18 |
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如果建民登記 |
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6899.27 |
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6901.27 |
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可能有罰款 |
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6901.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
6903.27 |
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甚至在地政機關 |
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6903.27 |
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6905.27 |
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就直接可以去做塗銷 |
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6905.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
6907.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
類似沒收的一個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
6907.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
6909.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
請問台灣人到大陸買房地產 |
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6909.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
6911.27 |
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有這樣子的一個規定嗎 |
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6912.23 |
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6914.23 |
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所以說不了解沒關係 |
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6914.23 |
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6916.23 |
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對 我們並不清楚 |
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6916.23 |
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6918.23 |
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台灣人去那邊買 |
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6918.23 |
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6920.23 |
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房地產 |
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6920.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
6922.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
買什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
6922.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
6924.23 |
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買怎樣的一種內容物 |
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6924.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
6926.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
在中央跟地方是不是有什麼條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
6926.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
6928.23 |
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我相信他們一定有他們的規定 |
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6928.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
6930.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
畢竟他們國家的管制是比較嚴格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
6930.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
6932.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
但是我們 像我自己沒有查到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
6932.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
6934.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
說我們台灣人要在那邊買房子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
6934.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
6936.23 |
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就需要經過我們像這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
6936.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
6938.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
一些特定審查的流程 |
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6938.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
6940.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
或是相關的一些規範或建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
6940.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].end |
6942.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].text |
有相關的罰則等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
6942.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].end |
6944.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
應該是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
6944.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
6946.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
那我們現行的規定其實就已經比 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
6946.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
6948.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
大陸對我們台灣人民來的嚴苛了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
6948.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
6950.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
就像我們現在對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
6950.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
6952.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
大陸人民在台灣購買房地產的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
6952.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
6956.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
跟台灣的人民到大陸去買房地產的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
6956.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
6958.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
看起來是大陸人民來台灣 |
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6959.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
6961.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
買房地產規定是比較嚴格的 |
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6961.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
6963.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
我想也不至於 |
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6963.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
6965.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
基本上我們就是許可制 |
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6965.7 |
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6967.7 |
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我們台灣人卻要買 |
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6967.7 |
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6969.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
我們也是要許可 |
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6969.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
6971.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
原則上是不會有這些審查的流程 |
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6971.7 |
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6973.7 |
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我記得他好像可能有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
6973.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
6975.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
定性的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
6975.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
6977.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
但是他可能沒有許可的流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
6977.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
6979.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
那就是說我們現在比他一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
6979.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
6981.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
一定有許可行的流程或是程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
6981.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
6983.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
包括我們也是許可制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
6983.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
6985.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
那因為台灣這個土地有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
6985.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
6987.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
中國大陸可能會透過大量的資金來購買 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
6987.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
6989.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
所以我們現在的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
6989.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
6991.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
就是有相關的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
6991.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
6993.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
我並不是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].start |
6993.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
6995.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
要請你現在就放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
6995.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
6997.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
那我現在放寬可能就變成一個政治問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
6997.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
6999.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
等等會在這方面去吵架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
6999.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
7001.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
但是我今天的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].start |
7001.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
7003.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
就回到剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
7003.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
7005.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
這個外籍公司台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
7005.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
7007.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
的一個權力來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
7008.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
7010.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
要想的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].start |
7010.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
7012.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].text |
我們要想的事情不是大陸人來這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].start |
7012.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].end |
7014.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
買東西我們要對他做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
7014.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
7016.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
而是我們要擔心的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
7016.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].end |
7018.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].text |
如果我們對他有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
7018.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
7020.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
過於不平等的地方法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
7020.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
7022.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
蔡英國拉的地方未來大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
7022.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
7024.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
會不會共產黨也對台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
7024.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
7026.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
在那邊的台商或台灣的兩邊在那邊制裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
7026.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
7028.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].text |
也有類似的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
7028.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
7030.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].text |
我沒有想過這個問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
7029.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
7031.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
當然我們思考的問題很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
7031.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
7033.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
我們因為來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
7033.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
7035.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
我們這邊買房地產 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
7035.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
7037.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
買這些不動產 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
7037.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
7039.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
基本上我們有很多國家安全的考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
7039.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
7041.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
因為台灣比較小 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
7041.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
7043.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
中資有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
7043.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
7045.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
隱藏在各種的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
7045.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
7047.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].text |
名目下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
7047.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
7049.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
來採買 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
7049.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
7051.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
來大批的這些房地產可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
7051.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
7053.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
會涉及到國家安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
7053.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
7055.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
所以我們一定要入持許可制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
7055.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
7057.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
這是一定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
7057.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
7059.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
今天瑋瑜那修法是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
7059.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
7061.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
特別是對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
7061.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
7063.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
今天我們可以沒入他們的財產 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].start |
7063.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
7065.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
明天他們可不可以沒入我們台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].start |
7065.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
7067.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].text |
人在那邊制的財產我們要去思考這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].start |
7067.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
7069.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
我們今天可以對他去裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
7069.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
7071.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
明天他可以對我們台灣人去裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
7071.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
7073.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
我們去思考這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
7073.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
7075.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
所以說譬如說土地法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
7075.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
7077.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
我們其實土地法對於外國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
7077.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
7079.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
在台灣購置不動產有一個很明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
7079.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
7081.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
規定叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
7081.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
7083.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
平等互惠原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
7083.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
7085.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
你允許我們台灣人怎麼樣我們就允許 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
7085.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
7087.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
我們台灣人我們台灣就允許你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
7087.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
7089.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
那個國家在我們台灣的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
7089.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
7091.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
是怎麼樣那當然兩岸目前的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
7091.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
7093.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
不是那麼的平等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
7093.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
7095.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
或是說他們對我們的威脅是比較大我們有比較多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
7095.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
7097.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
一個限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
7097.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
7099.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
這個我覺得合情合理是沒有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
7099.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
7101.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
但是我們也必須去思考就是剛剛我跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
7101.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
7103.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
主委提到的一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
7103.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
7105.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
今天我們對他們怎麼樣明天他們也有可能對我們怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
7105.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
7107.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
我也希望說你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
7107.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
7109.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
保護台灣人在大陸的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
7109.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
7111.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
財產安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
7111.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
7113.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
保障的情況下去思考這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
7113.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
7115.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
另外一個也是啊這個剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
7115.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
7117.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
講的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
7118.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
7120.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
要遣返的這個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
7120.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
7122.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
目前我們的規定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
7123.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
7125.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
150天嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
7125.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
7127.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
那有的委員要提可能在這多的情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
7127.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
7129.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
去延長沒關係啊這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
7129.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
7131.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
有相關的一些立場我們都尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
7131.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
7133.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
那現在大陸對台灣人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
7133.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
7135.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
要遣返最多可以做幾天的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
7137.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
7139.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
這個剛剛那個叫什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
7140.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
7142.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
7141.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
7143.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
類似拘留這樣的一個行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
7143.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
7145.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
如果說我們台灣人被他們拘留 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
7145.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
7147.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
他們晚晚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
7147.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
7149.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
因為他們不是一個法治國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
7150.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
7152.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
他要關多久就是多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
7152.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
7154.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
那個是刑法規定啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
7154.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
7156.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
我說遇到要遣返的情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
7156.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
7158.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
我們也是這樣跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
7158.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
7160.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
我們對於中國大陸人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
7160.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
7162.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
那目前最長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
7162.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
7164.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
我們可以收容150天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
7164.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
7166.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
對150天嘛那150天之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
7167.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
7169.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
我們就可能要考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
7169.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
7171.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
替代收容但是我要跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
7171.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
7173.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
我們這些大陸人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
7173.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
7175.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
他們都是可能是偷渡進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
7175.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
7177.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
偷渡犯或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
7177.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
7179.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
在台灣犯了刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
7179.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
7181.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
已經刑滿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
7181.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
7183.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
要遣送回大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
7183.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
7185.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
但是我們常常遇到一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
7186.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
7188.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
像過去陳青兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
7188.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
7190.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
中國大陸都沒有把 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
7190.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
7192.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
這些偷渡犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
7192.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
7194.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
或是刑滿的這些刑犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
7194.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
7196.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
不安心的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
7196.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
7198.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
受刑人把他遣返回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
7198.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
7200.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
那又在我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
7200.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
7202.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
移民署待了150天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
7202.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
7204.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
那我們又不得不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
7204.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
7206.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
替代收容就把他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
7206.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
7208.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
放在民間社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
7208.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
7210.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
就放在不管是慈善組織 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
7210.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
7212.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
總是跟我們民眾生活在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
7212.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
7214.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
這會形成一個嚴重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
7214.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
7216.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
治安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
7216.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
7218.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
所以我們民眾會擔心害怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
7218.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
7220.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
對等的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
7220.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
7222.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
你今天可以收容他們多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
7222.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
7224.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
他們就可以收容我們多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
7224.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
7226.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
比照你台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
7226.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
7228.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
就我的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
7228.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
7230.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
大陸收容台灣人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
7230.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
7232.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
就是你說一些遣返了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
7232.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
7234.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
60天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
7233.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
7235.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
7235.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
7237.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
我們做一個保護我們國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
7237.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
7239.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
台灣人如果在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
7241.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
7243.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
大陸如果他要回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
7243.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
7245.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
我們都會把他收回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
7245.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
7247.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
馬上收回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
7247.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
7249.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
我們不會像中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
7249.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
7251.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
他的人民想回大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
7251.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
7253.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
兩年不來接 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
7253.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
7255.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
我覺得這次兩岸制度最大的不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
7255.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
7257.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
所以大陸就感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
7257.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
7259.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
他不是一個文明法治的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
7259.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
7261.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
我們當然是台灣人要回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
7261.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
7263.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
我們都要鄧講求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
7263.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
7265.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
讓他回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
7265.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
7267.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
民權嘛我們更講究民主 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
7267.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
7269.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
更講究人權嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
7269.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
7271.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
收容的時間比他們還長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
7271.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
7273.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
7272.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
7274.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
我們比他們更講求人權喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
7275.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
7277.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
今天我們收容的人數的天數比他還長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
7279.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
7281.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
這個東西在邏輯上面就有點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
7281.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
7283.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
怪怪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
7283.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
7285.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
現在已經有現在的一個制度在了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
7285.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
7287.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
他只要收人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
7287.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
7289.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
我們已經不要收了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
7289.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
7291.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
我們比他更嚴格了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
7291.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
7293.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
我們標榜比他更重視人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
7293.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
7295.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
結果我們對於收容的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
7295.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
7297.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
這個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
7297.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
7299.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
比他還更嚴格天數更久 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
7299.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
7301.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
然後我們現在還要改得更嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
7301.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
7303.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
他的國人在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
7303.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
7305.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
要回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
7305.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
7307.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
不讓他回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
7307.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
7309.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
7309.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
7311.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
其實我今天討論的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
7311.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
7313.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
從來就不是我們怎麼去管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
7313.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
7315.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
大陸人在台灣購買普通產 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
7315.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
7317.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
大陸人在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
7317.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
7319.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
被收容多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
7319.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
7321.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
我今天的重點不在這一邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
7321.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
7323.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
7323.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
7325.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
我們怎麼對別人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
7325.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
7327.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
別人就怎麼對我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
7327.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
7329.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
如果說他一旦兩岸政策要去做緊縮的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
7329.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
7331.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
我覺得我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
7331.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
7333.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
必須要去思考這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
7333.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
7335.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
兩岸如何互惠互利 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
7335.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
7337.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
事實上我們真的很願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
7337.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
7339.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
跟中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
7339.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
7341.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
土地法就有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
7341.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
7343.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
你怎麼對我我就怎麼規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
7343.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
7345.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
所以我們國家對外國人在台灣購置普通產的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
7345.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
7347.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
並不是一視同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
7347.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
7349.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
是針對國家甚至美國是針對不同的州 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
7349.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
7351.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
所以我們必須要去思考這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
7351.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
7353.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
7353.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
7355.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
7355.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
7357.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
站在保護台灣人的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
7357.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
7359.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
來思考一下這次兩岸人民關係條例的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
7359.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
7361.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
不是眼前看到這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
7361.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
7363.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
而是後續我們台灣人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
7363.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
7365.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
在大陸可能會面臨的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
7365.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
7367.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
7370.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
7372.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
7371.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
7373.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
7374.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
7376.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
7376.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
7378.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
7378.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
7380.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
李博義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
7384.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
7386.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
7389.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
7391.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
好謝謝有請邱主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
7391.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
7393.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
好邱主委謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
7396.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
7398.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
李博義好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
7398.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
7400.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
7400.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
7402.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
7402.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
7404.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
7404.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
7406.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
7406.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
7408.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
7408.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
7410.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
7410.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
7412.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
7412.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
7414.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
7414.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
7416.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
7416.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
7418.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
7418.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
7420.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
7420.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
7422.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
7422.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
7424.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
7401.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
7403.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
這兩岸的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
7403.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
7405.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
你沒有辦法完全拿來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
7405.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
7407.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
對等的比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
7407.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
7409.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
7409.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
7411.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
7411.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
7413.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
7413.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
7415.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
7415.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
7417.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
7417.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
7419.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
7419.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
7421.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
7421.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
7423.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
7423.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
7425.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
7425.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
7427.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
7427.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
7429.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
7420.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
7422.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
台灣的土地為什麼稀少稀有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
7424.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
7426.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
為什麼珍貴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
7426.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
7428.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
台灣土地可以民有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
7428.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
7430.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
所以跟這個國家概念是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
7430.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
7432.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
7431.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
7433.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
站在國家安全的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
7433.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
7435.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
來出發的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
7436.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
7438.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
這一些收容萬一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
7438.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
7440.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
有了空窗期 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
7440.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
7442.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
對台灣社會是造成影響的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
7442.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
7444.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
所以我們必須要這樣子做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
7445.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
7447.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
7446.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
7448.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
中國不接他們回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
7448.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
7450.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
用台灣的法治 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
7450.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
7452.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
來影響台灣的生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
7452.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
7454.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
影響台灣的治安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
7454.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
7456.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
這確實是中國要做的影響的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
7456.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
7458.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
所以今天來提出這個修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
7458.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
7460.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
那剛剛邱主委也有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
7460.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
7462.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
說過其實對我們這個修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
7462.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
7464.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
的方向上是滿一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
7464.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
7466.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
非常感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
7466.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
7468.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
但我也會尊重行政院這邊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
7468.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
7470.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
後續的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
7470.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
7472.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
討論行政院這邊可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
7472.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
7474.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
還有一些意見要進來所以我還是會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
7474.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
7476.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
院板這邊的意見一起進來我們再來做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
7476.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
7478.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
逐條的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
7478.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
7480.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
來主委請你回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
7481.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
7483.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
7483.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
7485.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
7485.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
7487.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
您的修法的這些概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
7487.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
7489.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
跟我們的構想是完全一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
7489.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
7491.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
我們首先要感謝您的辛勞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
7491.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
7493.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
那確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
7493.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
7495.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
我們這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
7495.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
7497.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
我們都希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
7496.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
7498.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
我們抓到的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
7498.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
7500.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
這個不可能偷渡犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
7500.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
7502.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
或者是在台灣犯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
7502.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
7504.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
我們的刑法刑滿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
7504.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
7506.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
完了這些人犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
7506.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
7508.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
能夠順利依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
7508.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
7510.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
遣返的程序回到中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
7510.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
7512.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
那他們不願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
7512.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
7514.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
但很遺憾的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
7514.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
7516.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
他們常常 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
7516.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
7518.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
比如說最近遣返是兩年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
7518.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
7520.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
才遣返的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
7520.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
7522.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
最近一次是六月有處理過一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
7522.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
7524.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
但是六月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
7524.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
7526.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
今年六月那一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
7526.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
7528.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
另外在前一次是超過兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
7528.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
7530.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
所以中國大陸累積了非常多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
7530.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
7532.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
幾百天了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
7532.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
7534.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
7534.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
7536.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
現行的法律這個你超過兩年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
7536.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
7538.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
現行法律150天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
7538.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
7540.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
其他這500天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
7540.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
7542.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
長期在台灣替代收容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
7542.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
7544.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
替代收容是什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
7544.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
7546.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
你再白話一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
7546.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
7548.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
我們那個移民署所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
7548.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
7550.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
收容他有暫語 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
7550.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
7552.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
收容續語收容延長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
7552.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
7554.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
我們在大陸人士是150天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
7554.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
7556.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
外國人是100天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
7556.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
7558.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
那這150天之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
7558.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
7560.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
依法他們就不能再收容了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
7560.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
7562.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
就要採取 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
7562.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
7564.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
由社會團體來替代收容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
7564.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
7566.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
那可能找慈善單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
7566.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
7568.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
可能找其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
7568.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
7570.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
配合宗教單位來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
7570.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
7572.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
所以就自由的在台灣生活了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
7572.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
7574.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
當然要定期回到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
7574.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
7576.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
移民署去做報到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
7576.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
7578.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
只是這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
7578.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
7580.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
管理啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
7580.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
7582.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
往往他大部分時間都在外面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
7582.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
7584.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
尤其我們的民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
7584.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
7586.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
可能不曉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
7586.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
7588.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
他周遭有很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
7588.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
7590.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
曾經有犯過刑罰的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
7590.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
7592.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
不管是偷渡犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
7592.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
7594.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
或刑事犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
7594.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
7596.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
這些大陸人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
7596.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
7598.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
在外面替代收容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
7598.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
7600.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
可能跟他生活在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
7600.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
7602.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
其實這個對於我們的社區 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
7602.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
7604.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
對於我們的社會治安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
7604.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
7606.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
並不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
7606.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
7608.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
是中國大陸造成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
7608.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
7610.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
他不把人犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
7610.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
7612.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
前返回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
7612.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
7614.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
造成我們的困局 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
7614.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
7616.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
所以我們今天很感謝委員這個修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
7616.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
7618.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
讓我們可以再延長收容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
7618.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
7620.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
那就沒有這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
7620.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
7622.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].text |
我們還是要把他收到移民署 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
7622.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
7624.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
會增加移民署的很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
7624.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
7626.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
7626.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
7628.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
我想將來這個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
7628.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
7630.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
也應該要增加移民署的能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
7630.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
7632.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
包括人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
7632.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
7634.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
包括經費的提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
7634.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
7636.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
移民署過去其實很有經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
7636.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
7638.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
過去很多大陸的偷渡客 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
7638.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
7640.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
到現在移民署還是很有經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
7640.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
7642.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
對於收容的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
7642.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
7644.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
但是我們要把他法制化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].start |
7644.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
7646.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
不要讓國安有破口 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].start |
7646.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
7648.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
接下來我要跟你談兩岸直航的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
7650.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
7652.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].text |
中國最近對我們喊話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
7652.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
7654.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
希望台灣政府先開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
7654.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
7658.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
烏魯木齊、西安、哈爾濱、昆明、蘭州五個直航航點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
7658.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
7660.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
請問主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
7660.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].end |
7662.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
他們現在對自由行開放了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
7663.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].end |
7665.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
更衛報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
7665.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
7667.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
他這些五個航點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
7667.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].end |
7671.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].text |
都還是目的在吸納我們的觀光客到中國大陸去觀光 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
7671.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].end |
7673.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
對所以我的問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
7673.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
7675.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
這五個城市的自由行開放了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
7678.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
7680.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
沒有沒有他們只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
7680.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
7682.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].text |
對我們沒有限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
7682.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
7684.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
我們的人飛過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
7684.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
7688.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].text |
他們沒有開放烏魯木齊、西安、哈爾濱、昆明、蘭州 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
7688.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
7690.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
這五個城市的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
7690.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
7692.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
可以自由行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
7692.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
7694.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
開放這五個航點的意思是什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
7694.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
7696.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
跟我們報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
7696.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
7698.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
只有我們的人去他們的人不能自由行來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
7698.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
7700.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
是是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
7700.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
7702.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
他們從2019年8月1號就停止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
7702.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
7704.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
入客來才自由行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
7704.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
7706.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
到現在還沒有恢復 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
7706.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
7708.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
7708.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
7710.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
那所以也有人說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
7710.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
7712.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
那我們應該要先包機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
7712.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
7714.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
7714.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
7716.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
如果真的有這個市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
7716.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
7718.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
如果國人真的很想去的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
7718.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
7720.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
包機我們會不會打 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
7719.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
7721.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
我們就希望他們提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
7721.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
7723.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
比如說西安這個點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
7723.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
7725.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
是我們13個包機的航點之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
7725.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
7727.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
如果他有這個運量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
7727.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
7729.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
有這個市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
7729.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
7731.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
他應該在我們的包機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
7731.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
7733.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
去申請看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
7733.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
7735.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
因為我們現在的運能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
7735.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
7737.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
我們航空公司可以提供的運能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
7737.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
7739.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
沒有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
7739.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
7741.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
所以如果他真的有運能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
7741.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
7743.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
你應該提案嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
7743.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
7745.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
現在其實目前為止都沒有提案出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
7745.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
7747.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
大家要講平等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
7747.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
7749.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
開始跟你聊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
7749.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
7751.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
這五個城市也沒有開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
7751.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
7753.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
他們的這個國民的自由行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
7753.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
7755.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
7755.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
7757.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
如果我們要過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
7757.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
7759.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
如果這直航點或者是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
7759.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
7761.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
包機可以成行的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
7761.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
7763.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
也都是我們的人過去旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
7763.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
7765.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
他們的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
7765.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
7767.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
他們這個人他們的人不能過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
7767.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
7769.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
所以為什麼要開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
7770.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
7772.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
所以包機沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
7772.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
7774.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
國人要過去玩 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
7774.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
7776.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
包機我們完全沒有反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
7776.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
7778.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
是不是這樣主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
7778.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
7780.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
所以其實這個還是比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
7783.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
7785.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
比較政治的開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
7785.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].end |
7787.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].text |
那如果要政治的開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
7787.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].end |
7789.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
7788.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
7790.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
他也開放自由行的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
7790.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
7792.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
那是不是會比較大家會比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
7792.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
7794.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
比較對等的可以談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
7794.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
7796.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
甚至包含相關旅行業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
7796.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
7798.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
如果也出來可以促成的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
7798.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
7800.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
那陸委會的態度是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
7800.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
7802.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
根本報告我們在2025年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
7802.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
7804.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
我們2月3號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
7804.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
7806.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
我們就給他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
7806.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
7808.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
透過我們的台旅會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
7808.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
7810.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
給他們的海旅會一封信 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
7810.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
7812.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
我們希望就兩岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
7812.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
7814.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
的觀光旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
7814.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
7816.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
就旅遊安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
7816.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
7818.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
旅遊品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
7818.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
7820.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
旅遊穩定性跟公平性坐下來談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
7821.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
7823.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
我們已經呼籲那麼久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
7823.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
7825.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
他遲遲就是不願意來談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
7825.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
7827.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
如果願意來談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
7827.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
7829.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
如果談出結果我們再來開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
7829.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
7831.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
這個對雙方的旅遊品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
7831.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
7833.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
對業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
7833.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
7835.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
對我們彼此的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
7835.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
7837.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
對接有一些旅遊意外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
7837.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
7839.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
都非常好的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
7839.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
7841.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
但是我們很遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
7841.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
7843.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
他們就是不願意透過小兩會來談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
7843.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
7845.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
沒有回應嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
7845.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
7847.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
7846.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
7848.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
7849.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
7851.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
好謝謝李德怡蔡榮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
7851.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
7853.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
7860.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
7862.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
好謝謝接下來我們請吳祺民委員巡達 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
7867.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
7869.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
好請我們立委會我們的邱主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
7874.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
7876.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].start |
7876.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
7878.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
針對我們監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
7878.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
7880.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
我們前幾天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
7880.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
7882.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].text |
提出的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].start |
7882.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].end |
7884.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].text |
我們台灣到中國大陸學生的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].start |
7884.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].end |
7886.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].text |
的人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].start |
7886.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].end |
7888.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].text |
都是暴增 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].start |
7888.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].end |
7890.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].text |
從大學還有高中國中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].start |
7890.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].end |
7892.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].text |
還有國小都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
7892.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
7894.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].text |
這一點大家今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].start |
7894.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].end |
7896.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].text |
也都在討論這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
7896.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
7898.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
那再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
7898.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
7900.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
包含我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
7900.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
7902.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
150天的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
7902.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
7904.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
旅遊的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].start |
7904.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].end |
7906.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].text |
也是在討論的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
7906.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
7908.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
那本席在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].start |
7908.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].end |
7910.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].text |
就是針對我們一個現實的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].start |
7910.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
7912.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
來請問一下我們的主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].start |
7912.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
7914.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
因為在本席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].start |
7914.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
7916.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
有個里長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
7916.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].end |
7918.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].text |
因為他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
7918.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].end |
7920.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].text |
依照我們我國現行法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
7920.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
7922.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].text |
在大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].start |
7922.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].end |
7924.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].text |
地區人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
7924.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].end |
7926.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
參選公職以符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
7926.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
7928.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
相關的資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
7928.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
7930.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].text |
包括不得保有大陸地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
7930.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].end |
7932.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].text |
的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
7932.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
7934.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
當選後一年必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
7934.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
7936.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
繳交放棄國籍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].start |
7936.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].end |
7938.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].text |
上司延期 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].start |
7938.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].end |
7940.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].text |
相關的文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].start |
7940.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].end |
7942.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].text |
但是我們問題來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].start |
7943.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].end |
7945.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].text |
他到中國大陸要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].start |
7945.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].end |
7947.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
申請放棄國籍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].start |
7948.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].end |
7950.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].text |
沒有辦法去取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].start |
7950.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].end |
7952.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].text |
這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].start |
7952.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].end |
7954.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].text |
是以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].start |
7954.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].end |
7956.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].text |
我們沒有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].start |
7956.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].end |
7958.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].text |
但是以前就存在了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].start |
7958.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].end |
7960.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].text |
那你現在他們要追溯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].start |
7960.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].end |
7962.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].text |
那他們也回到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].start |
7962.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].end |
7964.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].text |
中國大陸那邊去申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].start |
7964.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].end |
7966.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].text |
也沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].start |
7966.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].end |
7968.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].text |
那這種問題我請問主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].start |
7968.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].end |
7970.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].text |
我們要怎樣來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].start |
7970.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].end |
7972.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].start |
7972.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].end |
7974.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].text |
我想委員這個題目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].start |
7974.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].end |
7976.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].text |
都是我們之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].start |
7976.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].end |
7978.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].text |
非常熱門的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
7978.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].end |
7980.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].start |
7980.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].end |
7982.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].text |
他如果要擔任我們的民選公職 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].start |
7982.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].end |
7984.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].text |
在參選前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
7984.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].end |
7986.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].text |
他必須要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].start |
7986.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].end |
7988.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].text |
放棄中國大陸的戶籍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].start |
7988.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].end |
7990.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].text |
而且要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
7990.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].end |
7992.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].text |
拿到我們的身份證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
7992.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].end |
7994.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
滿十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].start |
7994.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].end |
7996.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].text |
他才能登記參選 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
7996.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].end |
7998.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
那選上了之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
7998.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].end |
8000.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
依規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
8000.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].end |
8002.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].text |
他還要去中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
8002.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].end |
8004.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].text |
放棄國籍依照我們國籍法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
8004.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].end |
8006.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].text |
20條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
8006.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].end |
8008.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].text |
擔任我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
8008.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].end |
8010.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
民選公職 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
8010.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].end |
8012.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
必須對中華民國效忠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
8012.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].end |
8014.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].text |
要放棄中華民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
8014.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
8016.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
國籍以外的國籍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
8016.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
8018.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
只能單一國籍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
8018.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
8020.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
單一效忠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
8020.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
8022.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].text |
但是他問題就存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
8022.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].end |
8024.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].text |
他有到中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
8024.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].end |
8026.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
要去放棄國籍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
8026.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].end |
8028.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
那一邊他們就是不承認 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
8028.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
8030.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
我們台灣是一個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
8030.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
8032.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
那怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
8030.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
8032.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
8032.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
8034.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
這個是中國大陸造成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
8034.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
8036.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
8036.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
8038.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
並不是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
8038.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
8040.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
我們政府造成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
8040.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].end |
8042.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
是對岸造成的困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
8042.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
8044.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
那這個部分目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
8044.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
8046.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
還是沒辦法解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
8046.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].end |
8048.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
比如說我們現在很多國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
8048.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].end |
8050.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
全世界很多國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
8050.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
8052.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
也是不能放棄國籍的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
8052.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
8054.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
像阿根廷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
8054.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
8056.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
像沙烏地阿拉伯巴拉圭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
8056.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
8058.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
現在就是對當事者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
8058.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
8060.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
也是一個不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
8060.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
8062.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
是以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
8062.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
8064.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
我們以前造成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
8064.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
8066.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
已經逝死了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
8066.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
8068.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
我們也是來補救 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
8068 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].end |
8070 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
我想他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
8070 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
8072 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
可以先爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
8072 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
8074 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
他登記參選 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
8073.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
8076.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
成為民選公職人員的候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
8076.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
8078.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
只要不要符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
8078.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
8079.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
放棄戶籍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
8080.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
8082.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
8081.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
8083.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
滿十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
8083.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
8085.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
放棄戶籍就取得我們台灣的身份證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
8085.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
8087.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
滿十年他就有參選資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
8087.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
8089.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
他可以登記參選 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
8089.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
8093.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
那我們國籍法還有一年的緩衝期 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
8093.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
8095.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
就是說他很努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
8095.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
8097.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
去放棄中國國籍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
8097.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
8099.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
他放棄不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
8099.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
8101.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
他還有一年的任期 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
8101.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
8103.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
當然我們也強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
8103.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
8105.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
那個不是他的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
8105.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
8109.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
也不是我們造成的困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
8109.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
8111.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].text |
那是中國政府帶來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
8111.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
8113.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
這些困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
8113.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
8115.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
那這在很多國家也有類似的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
8115.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
8117.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
狀況也不是只有中國而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
8117.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
8119.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
那這個部分當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
8119.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
8121.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].text |
委員如果有個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
8121.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
8123.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
我們來協助跟他說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
8123.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
8125.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
你這是一個里長候選人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
8125.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
8127.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
8127.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
8129.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
可以把案子交給我們來跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
8129.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
8131.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
這位里長候選人跟他說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
8131.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
8133.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
因為不然對當事者非常不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
8133.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
8135.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
是不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
8135.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
8137.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
他也嘗試到中國大陸去放棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
8137.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
8139.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
也是沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
8139.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
8141.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
這個困境就寫在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
8141.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
8143.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
那我們是要怎樣來協助他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
8146.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
8148.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
這是應該我們未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
8148.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
8150.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
我們要找各單位大家來研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
8150.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
8152.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
8152.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
8154.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
8154.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
8156.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
謝謝吳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
8160.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
8162.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
謝謝吳其明委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
8162.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
8164.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
接下來我們請徐欣穎委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
8172.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
8174.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
好謝謝主席本席有請邱主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
8181.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
8183.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].start |
8183.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
8185.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
邱主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
8185.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
8187.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
我們今天審查陸資透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].start |
8187.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
8189.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
屆民登記取得台灣土地的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
8189.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
8191.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].text |
那本席很快的請教您 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
8191.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
8193.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
陸委會同意修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
8193.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
8195.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
但是我們國會也想要知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
8199.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
8201.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
近十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
8201.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
8203.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
究竟有多少這種案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
8204.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
8206.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
那這些案件涉及了多少土地面積 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
8206.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
8208.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
交易金額是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
8208.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
8210.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].text |
那其中又有多少是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
8210.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
8212.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].text |
位於軍事設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
8212.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
8214.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
港口機場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
8214.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
8216.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].text |
能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].start |
8216.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
8218.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
通訊水庫科技園區 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
8218.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
8220.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].text |
或其他關鍵基礎設施的周邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
8222.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
8224.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
您可以簡單的回覆這幾個問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
8226.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
8228.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
謝謝委員指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
8228.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
8230.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
有關於中國大陸人民來台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
8230.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
8232.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
取得不動產的建樹 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
8232.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
8234.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
我們是許可志嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
8234.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
8236.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
近十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
8236.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
8238.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
我們總共的建樹 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
8238.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
8240.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
是748件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
8241.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
8243.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
那有多少涉及土地面積 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
8245.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
8247.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
土地面積 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
8248.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
8250.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
我們如果按照權利價值的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
8253.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
8255.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
8255.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
8257.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
8259.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
8261.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
有187 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
8261.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
8263.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
的價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
8263.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
8265.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
這是我們內政部估算的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
8265.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
8267.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
我是問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
8267.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].end |
8269.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].start |
8269.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
8271.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
這些案件涉及多少土地面積 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
8273.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
8275.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
你剛剛講的是交易金額嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
8275.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
8277.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].text |
一百多億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
8276.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
8278.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].text |
權利價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
8278.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
8280.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
那你如果要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
8280.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
8282.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
取得的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
8282.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
8284.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
面積知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
8284.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
8286.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
我們有一個總量管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
8286.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
8288.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
就是土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
8288.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
8290.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
不要這是總量管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
8290.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
8292.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
但是沒有出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].start |
8292.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].end |
8294.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].text |
超過這個管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
8294.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].end |
8296.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].text |
希望我們的每年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
8296.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].end |
8298.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].text |
管制是13公頃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
8298.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].end |
8300.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
每年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].start |
8300.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].end |
8302.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].text |
建物是400戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].start |
8303.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].end |
8305.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].text |
建物叫做400戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].start |
8305.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].end |
8307.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].text |
對建物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].start |
8307.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].end |
8309.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].text |
房子400戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].start |
8309.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].end |
8311.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].text |
這是我們年度的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].start |
8311.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].end |
8313.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].text |
管制的量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].start |
8313.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].end |
8315.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].text |
那有多少位於相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].start |
8315.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].end |
8317.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].text |
關鍵基礎設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].start |
8317.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].end |
8319.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].text |
什麼港口機場通訊水庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].start |
8319.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].end |
8321.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].text |
各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].start |
8321.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].end |
8323.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].text |
我們的兩岸條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].start |
8323.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].end |
8325.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].text |
就路人來購買 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].start |
8325.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].end |
8327.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].text |
這些不動產都要由主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].start |
8327.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].end |
8329.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].text |
許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].start |
8329.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].end |
8331.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].text |
我們是許可志 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].start |
8331.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].end |
8333.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].text |
可能國家關鍵基礎設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].start |
8333.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].end |
8335.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].text |
或是藥塞保理地帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].start |
8335.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].end |
8337.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].text |
我只是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].start |
8337.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].end |
8339.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].text |
都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].start |
8339.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].end |
8341.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].text |
都不許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].start |
8341.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].end |
8343.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].text |
陸委會有沒有掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
8343.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].end |
8345.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].text |
都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
8345.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].end |
8347.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].text |
接著本席請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].start |
8347.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].end |
8349.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].text |
我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].start |
8349.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].end |
8351.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].text |
在修法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].start |
8351.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].end |
8353.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].text |
這個內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].start |
8353.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].end |
8355.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].text |
只寫到禁止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
8355.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].end |
8357.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].text |
建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
8357.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].end |
8359.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].text |
建民登記其實它只是一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
8359.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].end |
8361.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].text |
最傳統最表面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].start |
8361.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].end |
8363.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].text |
規避方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].start |
8363.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
8365.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].text |
如果對岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
8365.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].end |
8367.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].text |
大陸有人要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].start |
8367.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].end |
8369.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].text |
來買我們這邊的不動產 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
8369.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
8371.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
土地的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
8371.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
8373.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
所以它也有可能改用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
8373.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
8375.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
第三地的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
8375.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
8377.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].text |
或者是它用美國人民意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
8377.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
8379.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
它用國際公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
8379.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
8381.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
化國企業等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
8381.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
8383.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
我們修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
8382.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
8384.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
我們也沒看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
8384.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
8386.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
陸委會就是同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
8386.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
8388.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
但陸委會好像也沒有版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
8388.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
8390.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
可是你們是主要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
8390.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
8392.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
主管機關所以我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
8392.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
8394.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
修法核心呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
8394.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
8396.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].text |
是不是就不能只寫建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
8396.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
8398.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].text |
是不是應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
8398.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
8400.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
你要修你就要完整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
8400.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
8402.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
考量要整套這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
8402.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
8404.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
您的看法怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
8404.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
8406.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
我非常同意如果有更完整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
8406.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
8408.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
一個立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].start |
8408.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
8410.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].text |
讓大家可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].start |
8410.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].end |
8412.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].text |
你們自己有沒有版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
8412.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
8414.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].text |
因為立委有考量到這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].start |
8414.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].end |
8416.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].text |
那當然立委他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].start |
8416.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].end |
8418.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].text |
團隊各方面也 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].start |
8418.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].end |
8420.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].text |
這個寫了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].start |
8420.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].end |
8422.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].text |
這個法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].start |
8422.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].end |
8424.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].text |
你們有自己的自己的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].start |
8424.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].end |
8426.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].text |
還有你們是主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].start |
8426.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].end |
8428.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].text |
你們應該看得更全面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].start |
8428.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].end |
8430.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].text |
更整全套 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].start |
8430.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].end |
8432.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].text |
我們有跟武力華委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].start |
8432.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].end |
8434.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].text |
有很多的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].start |
8434.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].end |
8436.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].text |
特別是武力華委員非常關切的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].start |
8436.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].end |
8438.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].text |
原住民保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].start |
8438.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].end |
8440.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].text |
非常大量的建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].start |
8440.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].end |
8442.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].text |
那他也認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].start |
8442.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].end |
8444.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].text |
有許多的路資 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].start |
8444.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].end |
8446.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].text |
採取建民登記來收購 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].start |
8446.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].end |
8448.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].text |
這個原住民保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].start |
8448.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].end |
8450.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].text |
我們是很支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].start |
8450.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].end |
8452.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].text |
這個建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].start |
8452.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].end |
8454.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].text |
在這個土地登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].start |
8454.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].end |
8456.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].text |
跟移轉是無效的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].start |
8456.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].end |
8458.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].text |
當然要有證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].start |
8458.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].end |
8460.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].text |
我問你啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].start |
8460.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].end |
8462.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].text |
路人會是否支持在法律或明確授權命令中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].start |
8462.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].end |
8464.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].text |
建立實質受益人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].start |
8464.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].end |
8466.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].text |
資金來源以及實際控制的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].start |
8466.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].end |
8468.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].text |
認定標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].start |
8468.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].end |
8470.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].text |
我剛剛講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].start |
8470.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].end |
8472.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].text |
你只是建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].start |
8472.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].end |
8474.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].text |
你只是禁止建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].start |
8474.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].end |
8476.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].text |
但實際上他可以迂迴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].start |
8476.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].end |
8478.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].text |
他再用第三例第三人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].start |
8478.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].end |
8480.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].text |
各種方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].start |
8480.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].end |
8482.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].text |
所以這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].start |
8482.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].end |
8484.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].text |
我想你們來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].start |
8484.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].end |
8486.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].text |
我這個質詢的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].start |
8486.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].end |
8488.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].text |
委員是要避免漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].start |
8488.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].end |
8490.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].text |
我們要詳實的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].start |
8490.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].end |
8492.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].text |
這個是你們的職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].start |
8492.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].end |
8494.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].text |
你們主管單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].start |
8494.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].end |
8496.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].text |
行政單位的職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].start |
8496.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].end |
8498.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].text |
所以我希望你們加油一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].start |
8498.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].end |
8500.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].text |
那再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].start |
8500.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].end |
8502.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].text |
本席要問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].start |
8502.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].end |
8504.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].text |
如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].start |
8503.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].end |
8505.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].text |
這邊我們內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].start |
8505.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].end |
8507.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].text |
只有來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].start |
8507.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].end |
8509.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].text |
移民署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].start |
8509.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].end |
8511.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].text |
也就是說如果我們發現了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].start |
8511.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].end |
8513.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].text |
那你要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].start |
8512.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].end |
8514.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].text |
這個地政機關看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].start |
8514.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].end |
8516.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].text |
登記簿上的權利人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].start |
8516.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].end |
8518.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].text |
但地政機關他看得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].start |
8518.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].end |
8520.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].text |
跨境境外的匯款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].start |
8520.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].end |
8522.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].text |
就是說如果要查的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].start |
8522.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].end |
8524.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].text |
這個單位誰來查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].start |
8524.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].end |
8526.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].text |
主責單位是你們嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].start |
8526.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].end |
8528.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].text |
不可能嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].start |
8528.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].end |
8530.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].text |
但今天內政部好像 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].start |
8530.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].end |
8532.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].text |
只有移民署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].start |
8532.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].end |
8534.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].text |
地政司專門委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].start |
8534.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].end |
8536.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].start |
8537.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].end |
8539.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].text |
報告委員如果是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].start |
8539.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].end |
8541.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].text |
移轉登記的話我們只會看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].start |
8541.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].end |
8543.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].text |
依照契約上面我們沒有辦法去查他的資金來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].start |
8543.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].end |
8545.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].text |
對所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].start |
8545.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].end |
8547.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].text |
現在主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].start |
8547.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].end |
8549.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].text |
究竟哪一個機關來統合這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].start |
8550.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].end |
8552.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].text |
如果有檢舉案的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].start |
8552.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].end |
8554.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].text |
誰負責查誰是主責機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].start |
8554.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].end |
8556.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].text |
單一主責機關是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].start |
8556.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].end |
8558.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].text |
應該是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].start |
8558.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].end |
8560.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].text |
內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].start |
8560.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].end |
8562.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].text |
那內政部怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].start |
8562.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].end |
8564.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].text |
你有辦法查到境外匯款嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].start |
8564.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].end |
8566.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].text |
你看得到第三地公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].start |
8566.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].end |
8568.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].text |
的最終受益人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].start |
8568.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].end |
8570.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].text |
還有你看得到股東之間的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].start |
8570.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].end |
8572.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].text |
整個控制協議嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].start |
8572.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].end |
8574.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].text |
還有看得到金融 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].start |
8574.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].end |
8576.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].text |
金融機構的客戶審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].start |
8576.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].end |
8578.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].text |
資料嗎看不到啊那怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].start |
8578.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].end |
8580.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].text |
怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].start |
8579.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].end |
8581.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].text |
所以主責機關是內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].start |
8581.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].end |
8583.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].text |
那你們在寒寢其他單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].start |
8583.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].end |
8585.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].text |
是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].start |
8585.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].end |
8587.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].text |
我們目前都這個部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].start |
8587.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].end |
8589.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].text |
因為今天的條文是沒有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].start |
8589.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].end |
8591.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].text |
對好很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].start |
8591.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].end |
8593.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].text |
你的回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].start |
8593.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].end |
8595.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].text |
因為我的時間的關係主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].start |
8595.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].end |
8597.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].text |
這個我們在修這個法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].start |
8597.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].end |
8599.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].text |
要更完善一點好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].start |
8599.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].end |
8601.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].text |
我們今天大概點出幾個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].start |
8601.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].end |
8603.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].text |
是謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].start |
8603.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].end |
8605.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].text |
你是主責單位你們如果這個法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].start |
8605.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].end |
8607.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].text |
要討論真的要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].start |
8607.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].end |
8609.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].text |
要來修 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].start |
8609.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].end |
8611.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].text |
那你們應該要更全面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].start |
8611.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].end |
8613.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].text |
考量而且給出好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].start |
8613.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].end |
8615.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].text |
建議甚至好的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].start |
8615.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].end |
8617.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].text |
好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].start |
8617.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].end |
8619.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].text |
那地政部地政司的請回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].start |
8619.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].end |
8621.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].text |
那這個主委本席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].start |
8621.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].end |
8623.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].text |
很快再詢問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].start |
8623.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].end |
8625.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].text |
因為我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].start |
8625.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].end |
8627.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].text |
食安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].start |
8627.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].end |
8629.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].text |
我們兩岸有食安合作機制吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].start |
8631.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].end |
8633.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].text |
油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].start |
8633.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].end |
8635.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].text |
那尤其我們最近 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].start |
8635.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].end |
8637.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].text |
看到這個苦茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].start |
8637.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].end |
8639.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].text |
苦茶油也 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].start |
8639.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].end |
8641.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].text |
爆出來這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].start |
8641.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].end |
8643.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].text |
那請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].start |
8643.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].end |
8645.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].text |
食安的苦茶油那個苦茶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].start |
8645.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].end |
8647.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].text |
籽好像說是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].start |
8647.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].end |
8649.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].text |
可能來自中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].start |
8650.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].end |
8652.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].text |
那請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].start |
8651.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].end |
8653.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].text |
我們陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].start |
8653.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].end |
8655.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].start |
8655.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].end |
8657.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].text |
中華民國政府有沒有依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].start |
8658.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].end |
8660.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].text |
兩項協議正式請求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].start |
8660.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].end |
8662.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].text |
陸方共同調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].start |
8662.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].end |
8664.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].text |
你們做了沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].start |
8665.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].end |
8667.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].text |
還沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].start |
8683.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].end |
8685.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].text |
進行我知道我聽你回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].start |
8685.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].end |
8687.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].text |
我就知道根本還沒進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].start |
8687.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].end |
8689.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].text |
但我們民眾都已經知道那個苦茶籽 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].start |
8689.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].end |
8691.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].text |
可能來自中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].start |
8691.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].end |
8693.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].text |
但是我們這邊毫無動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].start |
8694.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].end |
8696.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].text |
你們是否會正式請陸方共同調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].start |
8699.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].end |
8701.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].text |
雖然我們必須在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].start |
8701.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].end |
8703.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].text |
這個是在調查過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].start |
8703.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].end |
8705.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].text |
我們並不是認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].start |
8705.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].end |
8707.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].text |
一定是他們中國大陸的原料造成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].start |
8707.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].end |
8709.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].text |
但是現在有這個疑慮的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].start |
8709.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].end |
8711.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].text |
我們就要通盤啟動啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].start |
8714.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].end |
8716.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].start |
8716.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].end |
8718.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].text |
依協議啟動調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].start |
8718.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].end |
8720.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].text |
本身不是責任認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].start |
8720.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].end |
8722.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].text |
我們是在做風險管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].start |
8722.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].end |
8724.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].text |
所以主委可以做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].start |
8724.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].end |
8726.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].text |
可以 陸委會可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].start |
8726.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].end |
8728.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].text |
當然我們會來問主管機關農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].start |
8728.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].end |
8730.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].text |
因為其實目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].start |
8730.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].end |
8732.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].text |
他們有跟我們有任何的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].start |
8732.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].end |
8734.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].text |
請求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].start |
8734.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].end |
8736.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].text |
或是說請我們來合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].start |
8736.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].end |
8738.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].text |
農業部針對你剛剛提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].start |
8738.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].end |
8740.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].text |
可能有出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].start |
8740.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].end |
8742.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].text |
所以你在這邊就證明了這個食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].start |
8742.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].end |
8744.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].text |
問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].start |
8744.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].end |
8746.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].text |
尤其這個毒油風暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].start |
8746.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].end |
8748.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].text |
燃燒了一個月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].start |
8748.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].end |
8750.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].text |
結果政府的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].start |
8750.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].end |
8752.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].text |
還是拖拖拉拉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].start |
8752.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].end |
8754.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].text |
你在這邊證明啊 對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].start |
8754.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].end |
8756.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].text |
農業部也沒找你們 你們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].start |
8756.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].end |
8758.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].text |
好像疑似新聞大概都有報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].start |
8758.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].end |
8760.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].text |
連我們都看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].start |
8760.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].end |
8762.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].text |
可能是中國大陸來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].start |
8762.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].end |
8764.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].text |
你們也是沒有主動積極的查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].start |
8764.53 |
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8766.53 |
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我想因為時間關係 |
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我也不想浪費大家時間 |
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耽誤大家時間 |
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主委 |
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我們建立跨境食安的治理 |
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絕對不是等事件發生 |
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因為今天可能有苦茶油 |
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明天可能是茶葉 |
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芝麻花生中藥材等等 |
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所以我們 |
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比較想知道的是我們的政府 |
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到底有沒有能力 |
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在第一時間追到源頭 |
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查明真相 |
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這些農產品原物料 |
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有造成食安問題 |
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我們 |
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我們就是希望 |
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陸委會能夠積極善用 |
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海峽兩岸食品安全協議 |
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還有海峽兩岸 |
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農產品檢驗合作協議 |
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把兩岸既有的機制制度 |
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運用在保障人民健康 |
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不是等到事件 |
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這次是事件發生了 |
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你們都還沒動 |
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那我們要求的是 |
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你們應該更積極 |
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不是等到事件結束 |
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你才回頭檢討 |
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最後本席要說是 |
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我們的食品安全沒有藍綠 |
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大家每天都在吃 |
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你吃到毒油 我也吃到毒油 |
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我們也絕對不要兩岸對立 |
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我們食品安全 |
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只有共同一個目標 |
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就是要讓人民吃得安心 |
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吃得安全 |
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請陸委會加油一點好嗎 |
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謝謝許委員 |
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好謝謝徐新穎委員 |
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接下來我們請下一位蘇清泉委員 |
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蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在 |
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我們請鍾嘉斌委員 |
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鍾嘉斌委員 |
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鍾嘉斌委員不在 |
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我們請鄭政前委員 |
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鄭政前委員 |
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鄭政前委員不在 |
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登記質詢委員除不在場外 |
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其餘軍語質詢完畢 詢答結束 |
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委員林楚英 傅坤齊 徐新穎 |
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所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報 |
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書面質詢和未集答覆部分 |
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請相關單位於一周內 |
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以書面答覆並複製本會 |
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討論事項所列議案均令其繼續審查 |
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本次會議到此結束 |
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委員會議員不在 |
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現在散會 |
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