| IVOD_ID |
17650 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17650 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-19,20-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟、財政兩委員會第4次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟、財政兩委員會第4次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-05T08:37:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-05T10:29:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:51:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db5aaa864c46863ae2e3d79397d25bd41edf57eeef4bb6a12a0b7e4d12112747a55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟、財政兩委員會第4次聯席會議（事由：一、繼續審查：
（一）本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「產業創新條例第三十條條文修正草案」案。
（二）本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
二、審查：
（三）本院委員陳素月等17人擬具「產業創新條例增訂第十條之三條文草案」案。(處理)） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:37:46 - 10:29:00 |
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6656.05409375 |
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6656.94846875 |
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SPEAKER_02 |
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6657.92721875 |
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6659.46284375 |
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SPEAKER_02 |
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6660.28971875 |
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6665.20034375 |
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SPEAKER_02 |
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6665.92596875 |
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6669.68909375 |
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SPEAKER_02 |
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6670.21221875 |
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6678.32909375 |
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SPEAKER_02 |
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6679.45971875 |
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6682.15971875 |
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SPEAKER_02 |
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6682.46346875 |
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6683.72909375 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].start |
3.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].end |
3.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[0].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].start |
1339.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
1340.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].text |
咳 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
1340.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
1341.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
1342.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
1343.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
請主任報告出議人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
1344.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
1346.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
報告聯席會初期委員時仍已足法定人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
1347.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
1348.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
好我們現在開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
1348.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
1350.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
首先進行報告事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
1350.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
1351.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
請宣讀上次會議事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
1352.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
1355.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟財政兩委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
1355.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
1358.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
第三次全體委員會聯席會議議事錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
1358.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
1360.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
時間115年6月24日星期三 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
1360.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
1362.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
9、10、11、11至10、10、21分 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
1362.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
1364.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
地點紅樓101會議室 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
1364.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
1366.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
初期委員鍾家斌等22人 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
1366.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
1367.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
請教委員4人 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
1367.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
1369.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
內行委員蘇金權等2人 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
1369.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
1371.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
內行委員經濟部部長公明星 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
1371.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
1374.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
國家發展委員會副主任委員張芒冠 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
1374.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
1376.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
財政部政務次長陳永勝等 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
1376.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
1378.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
主席召集委員邱志偉 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
1378.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
1379 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
報告事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
1379 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
1380.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
宣讀上次會議事錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
1380.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
1381.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
決定確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
1381.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
1382.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
討論事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
1382.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
1382.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
1、繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
1382.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
1384.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
本院委員邱志偉等17人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
1384.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
1387.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
產業創新條例第10條、第23條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
1387.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
1390.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
及第23條之二條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
1390.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
1392.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
2、本院委員鍾家斌等20人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
1392.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
1396.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
產業創新條例第39條、第46條及第46條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
1396.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
1397.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
1397.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
1400.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
3、本院委員賴樂榮等21人 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
1400.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
1401.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
委員陳丁飛等19人 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
1401.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
1403.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
委員蔡玉琳等17人 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
1403.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
1405.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
分別擬具產業創新條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
1405.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
1406.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
部分條文修正草案等3案 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
1408.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
1410.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
4、本院委員邱振軍等17人 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
1410.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
1412.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
委員林健奇等20人 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
1412.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
1414.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
分別擬具產業創新條例第10條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
1414.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
1417.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
及第72條條文修正草案等2案 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
1417.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
1419.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
5、本院委員黃鴻薇等23人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
1419.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
1421.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
產業創新條例第10條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
1421.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1422.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
1422.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1424.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
6、本院委員廖偉翔等19人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
1424.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1426.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
產業創新條例第10條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1426.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1429.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
及第23條之一條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1429.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1431.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
7、本院委員丁學忠等16人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1431.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1433.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
產業創新條例第67條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1433.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1435.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
及第70條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1435.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1438.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
8、本院委員邱志偉等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1438.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1441.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
產業創新條例第2條及第23條之三 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1441.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1442.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1442.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1445.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
9、本院委員楊瓊林等25人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1445.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1446.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
產業創新條例第10條 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1446.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1447.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
第23條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1447.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1448.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
及第23條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1448.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1449.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1449.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1451.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
10、本院委員邱志偉等19人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1451.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1453.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
產業創新條例第19條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1453.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1455.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1455.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1456.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
2、參差 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1456.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1459.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
11、本院委員林思明等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1459.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1460.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
產業創新條例第10條 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1460.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1461.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1461.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1463.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
9、1、第一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1463.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1463.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
第10條 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1463.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1465.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
第19條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1465.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1466.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
第23條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1466.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1467.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
第23條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1467.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1468.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
第23條之三 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1468.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1468.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
第39條 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1468.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1469.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
第46條 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1469.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1471.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
及第46條之一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1471.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1471.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
人均保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1471.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1472.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
三院會助理 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1473.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1474.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
第10條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1474.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1475.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
第22條 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
1475.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1476.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
第67條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
1476.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1477.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
第67條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
1477.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1478.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
第67條之三 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
1478.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1479.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
第70條 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
1479.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
1480.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
及第72條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1480.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1482.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
均不已修正維持現行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
1483.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
1484.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
三副代決一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
1484.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
1485.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
保留送院會助理 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
1488.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
1489.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
並按審查文具 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
1489.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
1490 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
擬具審查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
1490 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
1491 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
提報院會討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
1491 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
1492.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
需叫黨團協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
1492.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
1493.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
並推舉召集委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
1494.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
1496.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
就召集委員自為院會討論時做補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
1496.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
1497.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
商會宣布完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
1501.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
1502.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
請問在場委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
1502.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
1505.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
一思上是會議處有無錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
1505.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
1507.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
沒有 我們就一思路確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
1508.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
1510.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
好 現在繼續進行討論事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
1510.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
1511.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
請一併宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
1522.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
1523.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
二 審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
1523.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
1525.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
本院委員陳書葉等十七人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
1525.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
1526.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
產業裝精條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
1526.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
1527.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
增訂第十條之三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
1527.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
1529.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
調查案宣布完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
1532.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
1533.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
好 本日議程 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
1534.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
1536.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
所謂討論事項為 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
1536.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
1538.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
審查產業創新條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
1538.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
1540.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
部門條文修正草案等商案 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
1541.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
1543.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
有沒有提問 我一樣說明天要 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
1545.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
1545.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
好 沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
1546.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
1548.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
也沒有書面資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
1548.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
1548.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
1550.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
1552.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
本日議程審查產業創新條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
1552.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
1553.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
部門條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
1554.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
1555.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
本日議程所列第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
1556.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
1559.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
至第二案以北匯期四月三十日 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
1559.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
1561.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
我們宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
1561.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
1564.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
之後院副右家戶委員陳書葉等十七人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
1564.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
1565.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
產業創新條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
1565.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
1568.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
增訂第十條之三條文草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
1568.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
1570.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
宣起醫事人員宣讀條文之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
1570.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
1572.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
今日一起畢案審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
1572.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
1572.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
請宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
1573.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
1575.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
委員陳書葉等人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
1575.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
1576.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
第十條之三 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
1576.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
1579 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
經中央目的事業主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
1579 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
1580.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
許可設立之醫療法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
1580.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
1583.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
及長期照顧服務機構法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
1583.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
1587.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
為促進醫療及照顧服務之創新 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
1587.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
1588.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
升級及永續發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
1588.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
1592.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
得准用第十條及第十條之一規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
1592.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
1594.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
自當年度起抵減 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
1594.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
1596.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
其因那之營利事業所得稅額 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
1596.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
1598.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
前項租稅抵減所 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
1599.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
1601.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
減免之稅賦利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
1601.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
1604.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
因專攻醫療服務品質提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
1604.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
1608.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
自費醫療或照護設備投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
1608.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
1610.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
人力改善及營運永續使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
1610.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
1612.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
不得作為營運分配退場分配 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
1612.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
1615.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
或其他便向利益移轉之來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
1615.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
1618.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
醫療法人及長期照顧服務機構法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
1618.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
1621.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
不得以任何直接或間接方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
1621.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
1624.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
將租稅優惠效益轉化為對出資者 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
1624.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
1627.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
董監事或關係人之分配 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
1627.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
1629.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
報酬或其他不當利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
1629.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
1634.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
但其用於改善醫療人員及照顧人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
1634.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
1637.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
知心知待遇留任獎勵或專業發展支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
1638.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
1642.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
如屬合理市場水準及機構營運必要者 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
1642.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
1644.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
不在此限違反前兩項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
1644.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
1646.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
或以不合理方式規避者 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
1646.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
1648.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
主管機關得命期限其返還 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
1648.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
1652.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
或以減免之稅而並得依法裁處 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
1652.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
1654.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
第一項准用之試用範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
1654.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
1657.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
審查機制 申請期限 申請程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
1657.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
1659.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
及其他相關事項之辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
1659.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
1661.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
由中央主管機關 會同財政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
1661.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
1664.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
及中央目的事業主管機關訂製 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
1664.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
1666.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
其相關辦法之訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
1666.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
1668.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
因恆佐法人規模屬性 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
1668.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
1672.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
與公共任務之差異給予適當之規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
1672.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
1673.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
並得就抵減上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
1673.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
1676.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
試用條件及公益回饋事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
1676.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
1678.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
訂定差異化規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
1679.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
1680.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
當你用長短修正中 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
1680.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
1681.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
你就全部在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
1681.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
1682.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
1682.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
1682.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
那我去 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
1682.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
1683.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
1684.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
1685.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
臺灣民眾黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
1685.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
1688.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
提案修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
1688.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
1689.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
第29條 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
1689.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
1692.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
為加速產業創新加值 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
1692.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
1695.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
促進經濟轉型及國家發展行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
1695.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
1697.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
應設置國家發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
1697.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
1700.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
由國家發展委員會為管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
1700.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
1701.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
前項之管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
1701.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
1704.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
應建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
1704.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
1705.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
以確保 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
1705.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
1708.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
收入及控制成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
1708.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
1710.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
發揮財務管理功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
1710.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
1710.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
第30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
1710.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
1712.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
國家發展基金之用途如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
1712.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
1714.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
依配合國家發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
1714.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
1716.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
國家產業發展策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
1716.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
1718.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
投資與產業創新 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
1718.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
1720.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
高科技發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
1722.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
1725.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
能支援再生綠能產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
1725.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
1727.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
智慧機械技術引進 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
1727.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
1729.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
及其他增加產業效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
1729.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
1731.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
或改善產業結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
1731.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
1734.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
有關之重要事業或計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
1734.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
1734.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
二 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
1734.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
1737.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
配合國家產業發展策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
1737.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
1739.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
融資資金與產業永續發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
1739.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
1742.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
防治污染節約能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
1742.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
1743.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
降低溫室效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
1743.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
1745.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
及其他增加產業效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
1745.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
1748.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
或改善產業結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
1748.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
1749.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
有關之輔導計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
1749.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
1750.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
三 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
1750.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
1751.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
協助各公 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
1751.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
1753.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
中央目的事業主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
1753.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
1755.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
辦理有關計畫之 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
1755.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
1757.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
投融資或技術合作支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
1757.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
1757.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
四 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
1757.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
1760.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
協助各中央目的事業主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
1760.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
1760.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
為 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
1760.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
1761.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
為經濟發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
1761.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
1763.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
農業科技發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
1763.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
1763.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
社會發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
1763.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
1765.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
文化創意發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
1765.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
1766.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
引進技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
1766.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
1768.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
加強研究發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
1768.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
1769.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
發展自由品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
1769.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
1770.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
培訓人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
1770.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
1772.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
改善產業結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
1772.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
1773.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
及相關事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
1773.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
1775.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
所推動計畫之支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
1775.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
1775.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
五 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
1775.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
1778.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
其他經行政院專案核准者 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
1778.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
1780.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
前向國家發展基金之運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
1780.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
1781.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
不得用於下列情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
1781.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
1783.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
一企業虧損之紓困 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
1783.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
1783.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
二 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
1783.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
1785.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
投資主要生產活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
1785.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
1787.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
位於中國大陸之企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
1787.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
1787.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
三 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
1787.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
1788.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
投資過去三年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
1788.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
1790.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
違反環境保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
1790.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
1792.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
勞工或食品安全衛生相關法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
1792.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
1794.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
且情結重大之企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
1794.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
1795.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
三十條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
1795.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
1798.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
國家發展基金之收支保管運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
1798.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
1801.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
英社國家發展基金管理會 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
1801.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
1802.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
以下簡稱管理會 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
1802.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
1805.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
自委員十一人至十三人 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
1805.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
1806.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
其中一人為召集人 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
1806.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
1807.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
一人為副召集人 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
1807.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
1809.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
由行政院院長就下列人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
1809.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
1811.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
派聘監資 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
1811.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
1812.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
一財政部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
1812.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
1813.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
二經濟部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
1813.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
1814.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
三交通部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
1814.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
1815.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
四文化部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
1815.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
1817.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
五中央銀行總裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
1817.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
1819.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
六行政院主計總處主計長 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
1819.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
1822.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
七國家發展委員會主任委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
1822.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
1823.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
八學者專家委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
1823.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
1824.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
四至六人 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
1824.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
1826.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
由立法院各政黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
1826.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
1828.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
依其席次比例推薦之 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
1828.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
1830.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
其中每一政黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
1830.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
1832.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
至少應有一人 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
1832.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
1833.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
前項第八款 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
1833.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
1836.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
之學者專家聘期為兩年得 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
1836.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
1838.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
期滿得續聘之 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
1838.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
1840.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
聘期內因故改聘者 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
1840.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
1842.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
其聘期至原聘委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
1842.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
1843.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
聘期屆 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
1845.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
1847.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
屆滿之日為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
1847.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
1849 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
管理會會議委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
1849 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
1851.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
應親自出席及行使職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
1851.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
1852.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
但機關首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
1852.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
1854.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
因故不能出席者 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
1854.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
1856.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
得指派副首長或適當人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
1856.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
1858.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
代理出席行使職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
1858.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
1859.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
管理會 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
1859.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
1860.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
管理會會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
1860.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
1862.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
應由委員三分之二以上出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
1862.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
1865.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
且前項受指派代理出席之 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
1865.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
1868.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
適當人員不得欲出席委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
1868.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
1869.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
三分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
1869.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
1871.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
使得開會會議之審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
1872.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
1873.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
事項未能達成共識者 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
1873.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
1876.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
因經出席委員三分之二以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
1876.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
1877.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
同意行之 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
1877.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
1878.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
管理會會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
1878.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
1879.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
應主動公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
1879.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
1882.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
管理會會議得邀請相關機關代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
1882.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
1883.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
或人員列席 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
1883.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
1885.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
管理會會議重大決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
1885.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
1887.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
應報請行政院核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
1887.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
1888.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
第三十條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
1888.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
1890.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
管理會之任務如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
1890.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
1892.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
一 國家發展基金收支保管 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
1892.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
1894.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
運用支審議及核轉 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
1894.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
1895.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
二 國家發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
1895.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
1897.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
年度預算及決算支審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
1897.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
1900.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
三 國家發展基金運用執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
1900.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
1901.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
情形支監督及考核 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
1901.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
1902.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
四 國家發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
1902.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
1904.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
報行政院重大業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
1905.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
1907.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
案件之審議及核轉 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
1907.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
1908.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
五 國家發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
1908.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
1912.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
年度融資案件之核定或核轉 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
1912.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
1913.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
六 其他有關事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
1915.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
1917.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
第三十條之三 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
1917.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
1918.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
本條不予甄定 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
1918.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
1919.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
第三十條之四 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
1919.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
1921.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
本條不予甄定 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
1923.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
1925.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
第三十條之五 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
1927.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
1929.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
第三十條之三 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
1929.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
1932.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
國家發展基金參與投資時 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
1932.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
1935.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
因依下列程序辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
1936.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
1939.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
依第一階段邀請申請人面談 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
1939.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
1941.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
確認投資計畫內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
1941.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
1943.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
審核投資計畫是否符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
1943.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
1945.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
國家發展基金用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
1945.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
1947.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
投資範圍與投資原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
1947.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
1948.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
自成訪談紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
1948.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
1950.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
並於簽封核定後 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
1950.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
1952.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
將審核結果告知申請人 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
1953.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
1954.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
經審核通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
1954.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
1957.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
申請人應提出投資申請函 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
1957.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
1958.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
及投資計畫書 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
1958.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
1960.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
提交國家發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
1960.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
1961.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
進行政策評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
1961.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
1962.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
二 第二階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
1962.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
1964.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
國家發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
1964.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
1966.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
就整體計畫之可行性 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
1966.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
1969.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
及相關重要議題進行政策評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
1969.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
1973.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
經評估不適合投資計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
1973.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
1977.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
應將審核投資結果告知申請人 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
1977.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
1981.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
經政策評估適合投資之投資計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
1981.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
1985.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
因就計畫內容進行書面審查及實地訪查 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
1985.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
1988.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
且應為請相關領域學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
1988.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
1990.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
提供專業意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
1990.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
1992.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
並將申請人投資計畫書 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
1992.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
1993.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
送請國家發展委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
1993.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
1996.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
提供意見後撰寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
1996.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
1998.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
投資綜合評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
1998.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
2001.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
提交評審會審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
2001.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
2003.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
第三 第三階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
2003.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
2006.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
評審會得示投資審議之需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
2006.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
2007.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
前往實地審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
2007.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
2008.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
訪查 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
2008.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
2011.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
經審議不參與投資之案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
2011.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
2013.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
應將結果函附申請人 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
2013.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
2017.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
申請人得於兩個月內申請附審 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
2017.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
2018.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
附審以一次違憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
2018.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
2021.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
經評審會審議參與投資之案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
2021.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
2023.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
應提交管理會審議 |
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2023.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
2025.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
是 第四階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
2025.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
2028.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
經管理會審議不參與投資之案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
2028.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
2030.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
應將結果函附申請人 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
2030.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
2034.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
申請人於審議決議日起一年後 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
2034.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
2036.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
使得再次提出投資申請 |
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2036.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
2039.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
經管理會審議參與投資之案件 |
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2039.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
2042.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
申請人因於審議決議日起 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
2042.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
2044.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
六個月內申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
2044.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
2045.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
撥付投資款 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
2046.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
2047.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
預期視同放棄 |
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2047.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
2049.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
前項投資署第30條 |
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2049.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
2051.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
第一項第5款至投資者 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
2051.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
2054.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
除申請人提出投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
2054.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
2056.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
申請及投資計畫書 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
2056.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
2058.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
中央目的事業主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
2058.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
2060.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
應並提出評估報告 |
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2060.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
2063.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
依前項第2款至第4款程序辦理之 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
2065.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
2068.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
國家發展基金辦理現有投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
2068.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
2071.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
事業現金增資時 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
2071.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
2073.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
應檢附分析評估意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
2073.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
2075.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
依程序提交評審會 |
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2075.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
2078.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
管理會核定後辦理撥款作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
2078.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
2080.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
若核定不參與現金增資 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
2080.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
2083.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
則將核定結果告知轉投資公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
2083.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
2087.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
第30條之6本條不予甄定 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
2087.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
2089.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
第30條之4 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
2089.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
2091.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
國家發展基金當選為 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
2091.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
2093.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
所投資事業之董 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
2094.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
2097.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
理監事或監察人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
2097.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
2102.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
應指派對該所投資事業所營業 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
2102.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
2105.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
務具有專門知識或經驗之 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
2105.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
2108.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
國家發展基金之專監職人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
2108.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
2110.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
或相關公務機關人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
2110.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
2112.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
學者專家擔任之 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
2112.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
2113.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
有關董理監事 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
2114.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
2117.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
監察人之領選管理及考核規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
2117.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
2120.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
由國家發展委員會另訂之 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
2120.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
2121.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
管理會委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
2121.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
2123.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
國家發展委員會主任委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
2123.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
2124.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
副主任委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
2124.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
2126.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
及國家發展基金之專職人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
2126.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
2129.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
不得為下列各款行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
2129.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
2132.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
一 與其離職後五年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
2132.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
2137.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
擔任國家發展基金所投資事業之董理監事 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
2137.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
2139.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
監察人經理實行業務之 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
2139.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
2140.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
股東或顧問 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
2140.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
2144.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
二 與其任期期間自行或 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
2144.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
2147.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
以他人名義投資其參與決定之 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
2147.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
2150.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
國家發展基金所投資事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
2150.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
2151.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
違反前項規定則 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
2151.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
2154.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
除兩年以下有期徒刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
2154.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
2156.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
得併科新臺幣100萬元以下發金 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
2157.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
2158.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
第三十條之五 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
2158.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
2163.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
國家發展基金之收支運用所投資事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
2163.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
2164.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
持股比例投資金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
2164.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
2167.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
績效及虧損由管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
2167.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
2171.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
按年於網站公告之管理會評審會 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
2171.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
2174.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
事股政策評估會之會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
2174.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
2177.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
因全程錄影妥善保存 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
2177.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
2180.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
並製作會議紀錄相實宰民會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
2180.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
2183.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
是由時間地點主席出席人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
2183.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
2185.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
列席人員討論事項決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
2185.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
2189.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
委員同意或不同意之立場及理由等相關事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
2189.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
2191.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
前項相實紀錄之會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
2191.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
2195.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
紀錄會議錄影等資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
2195.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
2196.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
應與封存 |
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2196.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
2200.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
經管理機關或管理會同意使得拆封查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
2200.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
2202.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
但立法院調查委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
2202.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
2206.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
調查專案小組依法行使職權不在此限 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
2206.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
2207.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
第三十條 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
2207.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
2208.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
第三十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
2208.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
2211.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
國家發展基金之來源如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
2211.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
2214.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
已由政府循預算程序之撥款 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
2214.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
2218.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
二投資計畫之事業投資收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
2218.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
2220.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
三貸款計畫之融 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
2220.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
2222.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
資業務收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
2222.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
2227.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
四國家發展基金財產管理及處分收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
2227.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
2229.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
五國家發展基金資息收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
2229.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
2231.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
六其他有關收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
2231.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
2234.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
國家發展基金資保管及運用辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
2234.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
2236.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
由行政院定資 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
2236.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
2237.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
2238.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
2239.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
2239.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
2239.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
待會兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
2240.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
2242.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
可能請經濟部跟國安會 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
2242.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
2246.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
針對陳世衛委員等17人所提的十條之三 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
2246.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
2247.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
先做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
2247.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
2253.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
另外民眾黨團提出的這個修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
2253.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
2256.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
剛才上上來這個主席都還沒看過 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
2256.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
2260.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
因為修正動議這個幾乎每一條都有修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
2260.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
2262.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
是不是請醫事人員先把 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
2262.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
2264.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
剛剛修正動議宣讀的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
2264.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
2266.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
提供給在場委員參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
2266.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
2267.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
因為馬上就要審查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
2270.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
2272.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
那今天會議時間是到 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
2272.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
2273.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
今天廠商條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
2274.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
2277.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
我們審查條文時間是到上午10點30分 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
2278.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
2282.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
先請經濟部針對陳世衛委員所提的十條之三 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
2282.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
2284.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
請經濟部先做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
2296.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
2299.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
各位委員大家早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
2299.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
2301.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
那經濟部針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
2301.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
2304.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
今天的這個提案討論的這個內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
2304.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
2308.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
首先就陳世衛委員提案的第十條之三 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
2308.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
2309.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
做了一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
2309.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
2314.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
那目前這個產創條例提供的這個租稅優惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
2314.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
2319.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
是以公司及有限合夥事業組織形態為主 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
2319.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
2323.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
那這個醫療法人是依照醫療法設立的 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
2323.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
2327.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
醫療拆檔法人或醫療社團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
2327.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
2329.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
那長期照護服務機構法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
2329.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
2332.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
是依照長期照護服務機構法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
2332.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
2333.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
條例設立的長照 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
2334.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
2339.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
長照機構的裁判法人及長照機構社團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
2339.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
2343.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
與公司有限合夥事業的屬性差異比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
2343.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
2347.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
那另外就是說這次提案有關醫療法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
2347.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
2349.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
與長照機構法人的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
2349.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
2353.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
是否適用租稅優惠涉及到主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
2353.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
2356.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
衛福部及財政部的權責 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
2356.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
2360.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
那我們是不是再請兩部再做一個評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
2360.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
2361.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
那以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
2361.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
2366.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
另外針對國發基金的相關的一些提案修正條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
2366.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
2371.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
那這個部分我們就尊重國發委的一個權責 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
2371.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
2371.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
2372.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
2373.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
進行部合適長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
2376.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
2378.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
現在請國安會業主委報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
2383.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
2385.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
主席委員大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
2385.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
2391.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
那國發會對於陳樹月委員所提的那個產創條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
2391.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
2394.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
增訂第十條之三的這個修正案的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
2394.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
2398.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
國發會是肯定並且樂觀其成 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
2398.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
2403.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
那因為這個本案修訂涉及租稅減免 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
2403.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
2408.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
必須要由相關的主管機關辦理稅事支出評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
2408.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
2411.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
那因此目前是由衛生福利部辦理中 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
2411.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
2414.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
那有關辦理的進度跟評估的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
2414.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
2418.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
那是不是請那個衛福部的同仁來說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
2418.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
2419.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
2421.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
2422.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
謝謝國會議員主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
2422.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
2424.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
那個稅事稅務評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
2424.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
2426.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
今天衛福部有代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
2427.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
2429.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
請醫事師 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
2430.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
2431.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
女繼任 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
2432.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
2435.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
針對這個稅事那個目前的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
2443.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
2445.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
主席各位委員大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
2445.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
2450.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
那有關這個這個法人的這個投資抵減的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
2450.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
2451.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
特別是醫療法人部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
2451.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
2458.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
那之前是也承蒙這個委員這邊有提案針對是二三條之三的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
2458.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
2459.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
有關投資抵減的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
2459.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
2463.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
希望能夠有一再針對醫療涉難法人能夠做一些優免 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
2463.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
2465.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
那因此我們有關這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
2465.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
2467.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
可能到說因為租稅的這個優免呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
2467.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
2471.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
配合依據這個財政紀律法第六條的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
2471.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
2475.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
必須先做整個稅市租稅的一個優免的一個必要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
2475.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
2477.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
跟時事的一個效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
2477.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
2482.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
跟他的一個時事的年限等這些的項目要去先去做一個評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
2482.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
2486.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
因此衛福部這邊已經在今年的八月 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
2486.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
2490.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
來進行這個稅事支出的評估的一個作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
2490.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
2492.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
那目前來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
2492.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
2495.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
預計在年底的部分會有一個出稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
2495.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
2496.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
不過因為這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
2496.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
2499.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
因為陳委員的這個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
2499.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
2502.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
有擴及了這個醫療財產法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
2502.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
2505.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
那這個部分變成是新的一個項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
2505.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
2508.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
那部裡面會再定型去做一個評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
2508.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
2510.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
那整個評估如果要完成的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
2510.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
2513.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
大概預計會到明年會比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
2513.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
2514.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
明年年初會比較完整以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
2516.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
2518.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
謝謝醫事司 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
2518.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
2519.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
李經濟的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
2519.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
2520.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
2522.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
2525.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
稅市租稅的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
2526.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
2529.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
這個之前我就拜託你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
2529.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
2532.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
把這時間能夠掌握能夠提早 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
2532.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
2533.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
那時候八月開始啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
2534.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
2537.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
這個希望在九月可以完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
2538.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
2540.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
是好像你剛剛李居正說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
2540.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
2542.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
是要到年底才完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
2542.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
2543 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
因為你這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
2545.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
2547 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
這個評估沒有出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
2547 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
2549.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
我沒有辦法針對失調資產來審 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
2549.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
2551.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
加上我23小時生也沒辦法審 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
2552.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
2553.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
所以這個部分是不是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
2553.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
2554.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
請醫事司能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
2555.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
2556.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
2556.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
2558.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
我更早之前五六月也跟你們提醒說 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
2558.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
2561.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
是不是趕快把這個評估做出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
2561.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
2565.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
是不是可以拜託這個醫事司加快進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
2565.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
2566.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
我們是在九月底把它完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
2568.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
2570.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
我說我這個失調資產跟我這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
2570.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
2572.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
陳樹月失調資產跟23條資產沒辦法審 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
2575.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
2576.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
李居正再次說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
2580.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
2582.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
跟張偉還有各位委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
2582.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
2584.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
因為稅事支出對衛福部來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
2584.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
2586.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
是一個陌生的一個業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
2586.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
2589.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
我們之前並沒有接觸過 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
2589.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
2592.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
因此我們變成是要委託學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
2592.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
2594.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
幫我們做一個評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
2594.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
2596.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
那因此他在時間上 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
2596.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
2599.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
有一些行政作業的時間必須做克服 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
2600.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
2601.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
九月 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
2603.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
2605.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
可能會有一些困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
2605.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
2605.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
先做一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
2605.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
2607.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
因為這對我們來講我們沒有做過 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
2607.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
2610.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
所以真的也是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
2610.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
2612.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
各位委員能夠給我們多一點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
2612.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
2614.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
但是我們會盡快希望把這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
2614.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
2615.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
趕快做出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
2616.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
2619.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
居正您可能上次出席不是您 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
2619.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
2620.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
上次出席的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
2620.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
2623.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
也就是說九月底盡量可以完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
2623.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
2625.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
這個稅事支出的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
2625.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
2628.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
當初找不到主管機關來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
2630.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
2631.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
說這應該是主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
2631.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
2633.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
主管機關就是醫師師 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
2633.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
2634.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
衛福部 |
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2634.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
2637.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
所以最後這個折衝協調的結論 |
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2637.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
2641.21 |
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就是由衛福部醫師來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
2641.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
2643.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
那個做決定是我做的決定 |
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2643.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
2646.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
那時候協調會開是五六月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
2646.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
2648.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
現在已經八月了 |
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2648.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
2650.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
所以我是希望說 |
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2650.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
2651.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
雖然你們委外 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
2651.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
2653.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
但是能夠盡可能在行政聯合成份 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
2653.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
2655.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
能夠進行快一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
2655.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
2657.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
或者會影響到後面的進度 |
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2657.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
2658.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
你一個條文沒有過 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
2658.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
2659.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
我就沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
2660.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
2664.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
送到協商或者送到院會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
2664.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
2666.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
所以這個部分再請 |
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2666.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
2668.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
是不是還是要按照原定的時程 |
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2668.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
2670.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
是不是希望九月底能夠把它完成 |
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2672.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
2673.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
主席我們盡快 |
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2673.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
2674.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
2678.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
2680.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
來我們進行產創條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
2680.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
2682.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
不論條文修正草案的這個審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
2685.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
2687.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
那個大家手上 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
2687.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
2690.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
針對民進黨今天提出的修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
2690.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
2692.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
各位委員手上都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
2693.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
2695.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
我們逐條來做審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
2697.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
2699.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
29條的部分 |
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2699.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
2702.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
這個民進黨團這個後面 |
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2702.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
2703.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
你要不要再說說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
2704.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
2706.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
因為跟召委會委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
2706.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
2708.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
各位委員說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
2708.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
2711.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
因為最早我們提出這樣子的一個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
2711.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
2714.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
然後接下來的話又修正的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
2714.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
2715.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
那今天又再修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
2715.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
2716.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
主要是因為跟國發會 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
2716.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
2718.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
他沒有這個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
2718.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
2720.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
那我們也是把一些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
2720.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
2722.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
跟他們密集的溝通協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
2722.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
2725.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
所以今天再送出來的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
2725.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
2726.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
再修正動議的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
2726.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
2729.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
大概是已經跟國發會 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
2729.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
2731.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
就是歷經密集的協商開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
2731.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
2734.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
雙方大概目前可以接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
2734.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
2737.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
當然還是有一點小小的堅持的條文數 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
2737.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
2739.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
那個就比較少了 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
2740.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
2742.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
29條來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
2742.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
2745.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
主要就是把這個國發基金的 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
2745.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
2746.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
這個的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
2746.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
2749.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
把它稍微再寫得更清楚一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
2749.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
2751.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
也就是說他這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
2751.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
2753.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
建立一個責任的中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
2753.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
2755.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
讓我們希望國發基金的投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
2755.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
2757.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
在收入跟成本的控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
2757.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
2759.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
有一些財務的功能發揮 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
2759.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
2763.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
那這個國發會目前應該是OK的 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
2763.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
2764.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
就是這個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
2764.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
2767.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
他尊重本黨團的一個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
2768.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
2772.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
好這個我想聽一下國外的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
2772.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
2773.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
請國外委員主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
2776.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
2778.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
張偉根委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
2778.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
2779.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
2779.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
2782.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
我們國發會尊重那個黨團的提議 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
2783.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
2784.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
這裡面一些文字的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
2784.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
2785.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
不過我請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
2785.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
2788.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
所謂29條之一你們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
2788.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
2790.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
2791.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
2793.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
相關的類似這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
2795.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
2797.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
跟國發基金相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
2798.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
2802.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
有沒有類似這種所謂的責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
2802.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
2804.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
如果你在國發基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
2804.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
2806.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
設立一個責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
2806.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
2808.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
那其他的國家相關的基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
2808.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
2810.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
是會有的建議要求比照辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
2810.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
2811.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
你要 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
2811.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
2813.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
這個你要知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
2813.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
2815.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
後續的一個效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
2815.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
2816.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
那責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
2816.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
2819.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
他有沒有相關的法規依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
2821.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
2824.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
總不能這個29條就索取你指定中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
2824.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
2824.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
2825.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
2826.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
還有寬鬆的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
2826.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
2828.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
也有嚴謹的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
2828.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
2829.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
2829.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
2830.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
要不要定期開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
2831.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
2833.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
他有沒有相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
2833.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
2834.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
這個責任保證 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
2834.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
2835.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
或者責任的 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
2836.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
2837.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
這個義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
2837.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
2839.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
如果他會有他的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
2839.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
2840.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
不然他義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
2840.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
2842.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
有沒有相關的法子 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
2842.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
2844.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
所以我是覺得這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
2844.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
2845.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
2845.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
2846.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
是你們國會 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
2846.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
2847.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
國會 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
2847.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
2850.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
你要建立這個責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
2850.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
2850.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
2851.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
2852.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
要怎麼樣讓他 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
2852.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
2853.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
可行 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
2853.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
2856.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
要怎麼讓他這個所謂責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
2856.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
2857.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
能夠發揮功效 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
2858.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
2860.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
這個你們要有一個詳細的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
2860.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
2861.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
會 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
2861.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
2863.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
我們是不是再跟那個民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
2863.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
2865.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
黨團就這個部分的細節 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
2865.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
2866.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
2866.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
2867.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
你不是跟這個民眾黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
2867.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
2867.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
2867.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
2869.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
你就針對全 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
2869.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
2870.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
經濟委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
2870.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
2871.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
因為我們都關心這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
2871.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
2873.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
我怕你到時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
2873.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
2874.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
你這條法案通過之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
2874.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
2876.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
你這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
2876.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
2877.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
要怎麼成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
2877.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
2878.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
是 |
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2878.09 |
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2879.61 |
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那你定期要不要送報告來 |
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2879.61 |
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2880.09 |
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是 |
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2880.09 |
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2881.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
那如果有虧損 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
2881.41 |
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2881.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
是 |
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2881.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
2882.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
你這個要不要負責任 |
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2883.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
2885.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
你要有相關的執法和相關的細節 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
2885.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
2887.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
你如果執法的細節都沒有 |
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2887.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
2888.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
你就 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
2888.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
2889.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
貿然答應 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
2889.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
2890.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
那個會不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
2890.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
2892.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
產生很大的責任風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
2893.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
2893.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
對 有可能 |
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2893.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
2895.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
到時候你答應了 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
2895.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
2895.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
下面 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
2895.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
2897.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
風險是下面同仁在承擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
2897.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
2899.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
這也 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
2899.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
2900.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
不符合比例原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
2900.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
2901.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
來 中央部委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
2902.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
2903.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
來 我們這個今天在審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
2903.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
2906.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
叫做產業創新條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
2907.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
2908.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
在產業創新條例第29條 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
2908.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
2910.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
設立一個國家發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
2910.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
2913.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
目的就是要協助產業創新 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
2913.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
2915.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
但是我們在這裡呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
2916.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
2919.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
看到國發會面對民眾黨團的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
2919.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
2923.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
這裡面突然插入了一個管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
2923.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
2925.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
又加入了一個責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
2926.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
2927.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
什麼叫做責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
2928.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
2929.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
如果基本上對於企業管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
2929.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
2932.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
有一個概略了解的人就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
2932.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
2934.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
一個大的企業集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
2934.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
2936.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
他為了讓所下面的各個單元 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
2936.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
2938.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
能夠發揮它的效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
2938.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
2941.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
因為企業集團是以盈利為目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
2941.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
2942.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
那發揮效益的時候呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
2942.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
2944.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
他就有一個責任中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
2944.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
2946.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
譬如說以醫療集團來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
2946.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
2947.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
剛我們在討論那個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
2947.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
2948.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
醫療集團來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
2948.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
2950.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
他們就會設置 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
2950.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
2951.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
甚至更白的叫做利潤中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
2952.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
2954.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
那責任中心的目的是什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
2954.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
2958.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
就是讓底下的各個單元去互相競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
2958.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
2959.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
而且要能夠去 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
2959.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
2963.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
釐清他們的虧損損益的 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
2963.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
2964.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
2964.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
2965.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
那就很好奇啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
2966.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
2967.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
那請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
2967.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
2969.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
我們目前國防會認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
2969.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
2971.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
如果為了你們來做這個管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
2971.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
2973.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
先很好奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
2973.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
2976.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
國發會來做一個管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
2976.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
2979.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
因著我們產業創新的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
2979.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
2981.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
設置了這個國家發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
2981.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
2984.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
那你會有哪些責任中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
2984.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
2986.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
來確保你的收入與控制成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
2987.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
2990.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
就是你底下有哪些需要部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
2990.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
2992.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
你要去區分這些中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
2992.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
2994.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
所以這個部分在我們看來 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
2995.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
2997.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
有的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
2997.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
2998.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
有的黨團的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
2999.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3001.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
他是否有確切的掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
3001.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3003.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
我們產業創新條例的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
3003.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3005.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
是否有錯誤的去誤會了 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3005.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3006.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
責任中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3006.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3011.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
他在其他的企業體當中所扮演的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3011.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3013.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
要將一個盈利為主的企業體 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3013.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3015.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
當中的責任中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3015.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3018.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
放到一個以促進產業創新的國家發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
3018.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3020.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
是否要允當 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3020.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3024.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
國發會應該先做這個本體上 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
3024.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3026.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
屬性性質定位上的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3029.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3030.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
請這個議事委員先回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3030.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3034.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
就是說我們之前在跟民眾黨團在協商的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3034.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3035.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
其實也有提到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3035.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3039.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
這些一些法治未接的一些規範的體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3039.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3043.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
以及立法的技術性的這些考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3043.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3045.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
那這個部分的話是不是等我們就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3045.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3047.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
做一個通盤的檢討之後的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
3047.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3049.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
在就這個條文裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3049.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3054.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
一些細部的一些立法的一些技巧或者是說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3054.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
3057.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
再來跟經濟委員會這邊再來做討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
3059.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
3061.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
原條文是這樣子寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
3061.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
3065.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
行政院設置國家發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
3065.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
3066.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
如果把它再加一句 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
3067 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
3070.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
這個有國發國家發展委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
3070.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
3072.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
國發會有管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
3072.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
3074.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
管理機關就是負責任嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
3074.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
3074.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
3074.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
3076.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
或是你管理什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
3076.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
3079.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
管理就是你責任就是你來承擔嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
3079.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
3082.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
那有沒有必要再疊床架屋 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
3082.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
3084.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
你是管理機關要設一個責任中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
3086.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
3089.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
責任中心有個中心還有第二中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
3089.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
3091.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
又有副中心還有副副中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
3092.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
3095.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
這個可能要組成委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
3095.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
3096.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
那你現在承諾說 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
3096.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
3098.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
好你接受這個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
3098.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
3101.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
那你後面你要相關執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
3101.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
3104.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
執法什麼時候要出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
3104.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
3106.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
那你有沒有執法相關的附案 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
3106.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
3106.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
這個執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
3107.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
3110.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
這個要求你要到立法院來備查 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
3110.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
3111.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
3111.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
3113.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
不要貿然答應 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
3113.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
3115.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
這個制度的變革 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
3115.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
3117.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
不是一個條文的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
3117.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
3120.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
就可以把整個原先的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
3120.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
3122.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
做這個大幅度的改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
3122.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
3125.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
所以我對這個是保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
3125.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
3128.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
因為這裡沒有辦法說服我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
3128.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
3129.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
你的責任中心制度 |
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3130.31 |
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3131.63 |
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它是比現在的 |
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3132.24 |
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3133.52 |
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這個管理機關國會 |
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3133.52 |
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3135.76 |
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目前運行的這個運作的狀況 |
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3136.53 |
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3138.21 |
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如果你成立一個人中心制度 |
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3138.21 |
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3140.33 |
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會能夠提升你的管理績效 |
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3141.25 |
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3141.89 |
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那你要告訴我 |
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3141.89 |
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3142.81 |
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你要怎麼樣 |
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3143.39 |
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3144.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
建立這個責任中心制度 |
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3145.28 |
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3146.08 |
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要編制多少 |
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3147.17 |
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3148.65 |
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要不定期開會 |
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3148.65 |
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3149.85 |
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要不我們外聘委員 |
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3152.37 |
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3156.37 |
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這些如果都還沒有一個方向跟藍圖 |
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3156.37 |
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3158.33 |
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或者你們沒有這相關的執法的 |
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3158.88 |
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3160.2 |
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這個規劃的話 |
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3161.16 |
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3162.28 |
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這個你若通過 |
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3162.98 |
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3164.34 |
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那你就馬上要上路了 |
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3165.86 |
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3167.62 |
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這個部分我們會 |
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3167.62 |
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3168.58 |
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我們待會會回去 |
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3168.58 |
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3170.5 |
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如果通過你這個商務 |
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3170.5 |
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3171.86 |
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你要怎麼樣去 |
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3171.86 |
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3173.54 |
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你這個中心什麼時候要成立 |
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3173.54 |
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3174.42 |
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是是是 |
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3174.42 |
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3175.1 |
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這個我們 |
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3175.1 |
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3178.1 |
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我們會再回去再多評估一下 |
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3178.1 |
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3180.26 |
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已經細部的一些地方 |
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3182.61 |
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3183.41 |
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等一下 |
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3183.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
3184.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
哥 |
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3184.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
3185.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
曾先生先舉手 |
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3185.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
3187.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
曾先生 先坐下 |
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3191.92 |
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3193.8 |
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這個民眾黨團 |
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3193.8 |
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3194.96 |
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提這個條文 |
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3197.94 |
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3200.3 |
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是因為過去長年來 |
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3200.93 |
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3203.49 |
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國家發展基金的應用 |
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3204.29 |
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3206.61 |
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確實有需要去 |
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3206.61 |
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3209.49 |
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好好的去檢討的地方 |
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3210.23 |
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3211.43 |
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所以才會 |
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3212.44 |
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3215.16 |
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因為過去我們也質詢過國會 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
3215.16 |
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3216.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
針對一些案例 |
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3217.86 |
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3221.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
那國發會就會直接就講 |
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3221.22 |
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3222.9 |
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這是行政院設的 |
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3223.61 |
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3226.73 |
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那國家發展委員會的 |
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3227.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
3228.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
這個權責 |
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3229.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
3232.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
到底是到什麼樣的地步 |
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3232.77 |
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3233.97 |
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就不是那麼明確 |
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3234.78 |
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3235.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
所以 |
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3236.04 |
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3237.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
民眾黨團 |
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3237.56 |
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3239.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
這個提出這樣的一個修正 |
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3240.49 |
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3242.01 |
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明文規定 |
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3242.71 |
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3244.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
國家發展委員會 |
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3246.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
3249.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
國家發展基金的管理機關 |
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3249.82 |
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3253.18 |
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這個是一個把它明確化 |
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3254.2 |
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3256.04 |
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那至於第二項 |
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3256.04 |
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3257.24 |
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那是更重要了 |
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3258.17 |
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3258.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
這個 |
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3259.5 |
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3260.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
不是管理機關 |
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3260.62 |
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3261.74 |
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就是因為 |
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3261.74 |
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3263.58 |
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因為我們如果我們等一下 |
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3263.58 |
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3265.02 |
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到第三條就會知道 |
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3266.6 |
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3268.76 |
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就是等於是很多都是 |
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3268.76 |
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3270.28 |
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授權給給而不回 |
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3271.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
3273.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
給授權給部會去決定 |
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3273.92 |
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3275.12 |
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就產生這些 |
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3275.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
3276.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
這個 |
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3277.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
3278.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
制度的一個不周延 |
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3279.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
3280.75 |
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所以才會去 |
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3281.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
3283.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
提出這個第二項 |
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3285.43 |
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3287.03 |
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前項之管理機關 |
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3287.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
3289.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
應建立責任中心制度 |
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3290.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
3291.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
要怎麼建立 |
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3291.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
3292.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
好 |
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3292.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
3295.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
我們沒有去管那麼多 |
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3295.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
3297.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
也心理法院也不必管那麼多 |
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3297.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
3299.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
等於是授權給 |
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3300.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
3301.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
國發會 |
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3302 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
3303.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
建立這個 |
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3304.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
3305.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
管理中心 |
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3305.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
3306.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
的責任 |
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3306.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
3308.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
建立責任中心制度 |
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3309.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
3312.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
主要的目的就是要確保 |
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3312.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
3314.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
收入及控制成本 |
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3315.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
3317.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
發揮財務管理的功能 |
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3318.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
3319.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
所以這個部分 |
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3319.4 |
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3321 |
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也沒有說一定要 |
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3321 |
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3323.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
我們這邊沒有寫說要送到立法院 |
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3323.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
3323.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
沒有 |
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3324.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
3324.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
等於是 |
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3325.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
3327.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
還是授權給他們 |
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3327.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
3328.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
做好好的管理 |
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3329.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
3330.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
這個這個責任 |
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3331.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
3333.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
各方面財務各方面 |
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3334.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
3334.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
好 |
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3335.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
3336.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
這個是一個 |
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3336.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
3338.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
那未來執行一個階段之後 |
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3338.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
3339.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
如果認為說 |
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3339.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
3342.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
這樣的條文還不夠周延 |
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3342.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
3343.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
可以再 |
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3343.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
3344.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
可以再檢討 |
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3344.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
3345.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
以上 |
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3345.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
3347.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
最後一批委員之後回校委員 |
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3349.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
3350.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
來我想 |
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3350.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
3351.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
我們在審法案 |
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3351.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
3352.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
不能見書不見靈 |
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3353.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
3355.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
硬是要把自己的主張 |
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3355.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
3358.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
架構塞進去不屬於他的體系當中 |
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3358.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
3360.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
我們再再重申一遍 |
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3360.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
3361.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
產創條例 |
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3361.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
3364.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
我們的目的是要促進產業創新 |
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3364.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
3366.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
第29條為了這個目的 |
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3366.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
3368.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
設立了一個國家發展基金 |
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3368.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
3371.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
那這個基金的用途要看到第30條 |
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3371.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
3373.3 |
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30條在裡面的講很清楚 |
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3373.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
3376.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
配合國家的產業發展策略 |
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3376.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
3378.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
投資在產業創新 |
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3378.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
3378.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
高科技 |
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3378.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
3380.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
資能 |
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3380.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
3381.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
原再生 |
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3381.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
3381.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
綠能 |
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3381.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
3383.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
技術引進等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
3383.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
3383.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
第二 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
3383.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
3385.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
配合國家產業發展策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
3385.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
3387.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
要用融資 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
3387.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
3388.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
融貸資金 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
3388.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
3391 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
去進行永續發展污染房子 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
3391 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
3392.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
節約能源降低溫室效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
3392.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
3394.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
其他增加產業效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
3394.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
3395.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
的輔導計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
3395.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
3396.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
這個資金的用途是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
3396.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
3397.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
3397.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
3399.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
協助中央目的事業主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
3399.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
3403.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
辦理相關的投融資或技術合作支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
3403.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
3404.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
而且這裡面規範的 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
3404.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
3406.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
跟中央目的事業主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
3406.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
3407.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
包括經濟發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
3407.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
3409 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
農業科技社會發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
3409 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
3410.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
等等這些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
3411.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
3414.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
這是我們國發基金設置的用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
3414.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
3417.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
第29條你要把管理的機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
3417.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
3419.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
跟他的用途並在一起看 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
3419.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
3421.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
單單我們看我剛剛就是聽到責任中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
3422.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
3424.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
責任中心是用於盈利事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].start |
3425.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
3426.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
國發基金的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
3426.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
3428.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
不是成立一個事業體 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].start |
3428.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
3430.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
要追求最大利潤 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
3430.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].end |
3431.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
所以我們看一看 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
3431.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
3433.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
如果是要把責任中心放在一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
3433.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
3437.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
以產業政策輔導為目的的一個政府部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].start |
3437.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
3439.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
那就非常的可笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
3439.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
3441.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
什麼叫做責任中心呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
3441.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
3443.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
責任中心它是用於盈利事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
3443.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
3445.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
它當中包括了成本中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
3445.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
3446.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
包括了收益中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
3446.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
3447.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
包括了利潤中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].start |
3447.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
3449.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
包括了投資中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].start |
3449.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
3451.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
如果主張要在一個機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].start |
3451.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
3454.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
要成為一個有責任中心制度的設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
3454.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
3456.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
它的前提非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
3456.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
3459.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
它是以追求利潤為目的的一個事業體 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
3459.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
3462.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
那國發基金是要以追求 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].start |
3462.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
3464.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
哪一個事業體的最高利潤為目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].start |
3464.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
3466.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
那這種情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
3466.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
3467.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
你錯誤的將一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
3467.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
3469.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
盈利事業的責任中心的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
3469.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
3471.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
你要導入一個國發基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
3471.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
3474.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
而且還要它以國發會來做為管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
3474.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
3477.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
國發會不是一個盈利事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
3478.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
3479.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
國發會如果不是一個盈利事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
3479.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
3482.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
它如何能做為一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
3482.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
3484.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
以盈利為目的的一個基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
3484.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
3485.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
這個基金聽起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
3485.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
3487.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
比方是以創造利潤 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
3487.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
3489.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
創造收益的投資型的基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
3489.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
3492.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
這比較像是民間在做的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
3492.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
3493.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
以公務部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
3493.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
3496.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
去經營一個以盈利為目的的投資基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
3496.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
3499.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
然後還要以責任中心來管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
3499.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
3501.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
這是非常的荒謬跟可笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
3501.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
3502.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
我真的不曉得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
3502.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
3505.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
國發會在面對這29條的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
3505.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
3506.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
難道沒有翻一翻 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
3506.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
3508.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
你們第30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
3508.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
3510.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
你們國發基金過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
3510.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
3511.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
你們的主要任務是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
3511.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
3512.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
哪一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
3512.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
3515.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
你們是用來要去追求最大利潤 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
3516.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
3517.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
你們如何去判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
3518.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
3518.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
它的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
3519.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
3520.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
如何去判斷它的利潤 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
3521.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
3523.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
如何去判斷它的營收 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
3523.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
3524.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
你本身不是個製造業 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
3524.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
3525.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
不是個服務業 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
3525.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
3527.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
你是一個基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
3527.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
3530.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
透過這樣的基金的投融制的調度 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
3530.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
3532.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
針對特定的創新技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
3532.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
3534.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
你協助它 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
3534.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
3538.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
那難道以這樣為本質的一個基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
3538.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
3540.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
你可以用一個29條 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
3540.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
3542.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
硬生生塞入一個責任中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
3542.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
3543.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
來加以管理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
3544.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
3545.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
非常的可笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
3545.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
3547.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
我過去在多次 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
3547.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
3550.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
包括各黨派在討論國發基金的績效的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
3550.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
3551.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
最可笑的一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
3552.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
3554.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
就是要求國發基金的投資的 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
3554.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
3555.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
當然能賺錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
3557.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
3559.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
投資必有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
3559.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
3561.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
那多少投資能賺錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
3561.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
3562.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
民間做就可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
3562.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
3563.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
哪需要你國家部門來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
3563.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
3565.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
就是因為有些不見得能夠賺錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
3565.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
3567.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
初期它需要技術創新 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
3567.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
3568.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
需要資金的挹注 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
3569.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
3571.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
所以我們是產業創新條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
3571.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
3573.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
如果說我們國發基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
3573.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
3575.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
都要投資那個已經明顯可以賺錢的 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
3576.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
3577.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
那就不用產業創新了 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
3577.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
3580.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
你就是市場上看藍籌股買就好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
3581.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
3583.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
這連私募都不會幹這樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
3583.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
3585.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
私募100件當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
3585.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
3586.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
兩三件能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
3587.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
3587.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
賺錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
3589.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
3590.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
其他的90幾件 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
3590.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
3591.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
他還是會賠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
3591.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
3592.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
但是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].start |
3592.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
3596.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
私募基金在產業創新的初期投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
3596.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
3599.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
它後面的投資報收效益是很大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
3599.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
3601.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
兩三件成功 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
3601.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
3603.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
賺出來的本是100倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
3603.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
3605.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
所以前面90幾件失敗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
3605.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
3606.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
還是可以回本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
3606.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
3608.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
那是私募的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
3608.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
3611.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
但是我們這裡談的是國家政策的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
3612.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
3614.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
所以請國發會不要忽略了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
3614.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
3616.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
你們29條跟第30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
3616.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
3619.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
它是有本身的一個政策輔導的機制在內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
3619.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
3623.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
不要用民間的投資公司的概念角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
3623.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
3625.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
以追求最大利潤去思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
3625.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
3627.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
而且要應聲的插入一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
3627.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
3630.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
牛頭不對馬嘴的責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
3633.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
3634.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
3634.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
3636.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
感謝中嘉賓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
3637 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
3639 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
這麼的堅定的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
3640.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
3642.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
主要這個東西也不是我們創造 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
3642.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
3645.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
它也不是要跟什麼利潤中心分配 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
3645.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
3646.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
主要的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
3646.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
3648.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
是我們根據的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
3648.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
3653.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
在國發基金收支保管跟運用辦法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
3653.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
3654.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
他所寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
3654.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
3656.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
3656.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
3657.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
主要寫了兩項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
3657.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
3660.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
本資金是主管機關於行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
3660.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
3662.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
管理機關為國家發展委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
3662.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
3663.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
二 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
3663.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
3666.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
前項之管理機關應建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
3666.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
3669.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
與確保收入跟控制成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
3669.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
3670.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
發揮財務管理功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
3671.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
3674.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
所以表示國發基金的收支 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
3674.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
3677.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
跟管理的這個辦法的第三條的第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
3677.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
3678.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
是胡說八道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
3679.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
3680.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
亂寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
3681.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
3682.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
如果是這種論述的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
3683.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
3684.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
當然不是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
3685.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
3687.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
所謂的責任中心它就是明定在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
3687.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
3689.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
這個細節的法則辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
3689.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
3690.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
我們把它拿出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
3690.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
3692.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
讓這個國發基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
3693.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
3696.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
管理會有確保更這樣子的責任的中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
3696.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
3698.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
國發基金本來就不是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
3698.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
3700.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
他一定是賺錢跟民間投資公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
3700.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
3701.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
我也幹過創投 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
3701.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
3703.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
我也幹過國發基金的審查委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
3703.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
3705.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
你只要投資100件有兩件中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
3707.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
3709.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
我們台積電最早期那麼大的一個投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
3709.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
3711.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
現在還是靠他的收益是最大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
3711.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
3713.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
基本上我們只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
3713.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
3716.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
在這個細節的辦法裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
3716.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
3718.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
我們把它拉到這樣子的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
3718.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
3721.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
希望讓這個國發基金管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
3721.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
3723.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
在他各自的控制成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
3723.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
3725.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
因為國發基金不只有投資而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
3725.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
3727.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
他還有委託台商的投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
3727.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
3728.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
你還有融資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
3728.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
3731.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
等等這樣子的一個各個不同的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
3731.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
3733.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
所以我們是希望以這樣的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
3733.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
3736.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
每一個不管是投融資的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
3736.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
3741.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
能夠有他的一個收入跟成本的結構的分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
3741.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
3743.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
做為你國發基金管理委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
3743.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
3748.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
在確認這樣子的每一項的投融資的業務的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
3748.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
3750.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
是不是有達到你當初設定的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
3750.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
3751.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
這樣子就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
3752.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
3753.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
謝謝郭先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
3753.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
3755.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
我個人的看法是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
3755.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
3758.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
既然在收支保管應用辦法裡面就已經很明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
3760.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
3763.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
通常立法官的執法已經有明定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
3763.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
3764.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
通常是不會拿來這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
3764.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
3766.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
文法裡面再重新再講一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
3766.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
3768.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
執法已經有明確規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
3768.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
3769.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
3769.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
3771.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
你要怎麼樣跟你30條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
3772.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
3774.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
30條之一也是明檔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
3775.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
3777.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
這個新制定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
3783.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
3787.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
這個收支保管應用設置管理委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
3787.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
3790.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
管理委員會11到13人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
3790.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
3792.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
還有召集人副召集人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
3792.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
3793.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
包括各部的部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
3793.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
3794.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
還有學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
3795.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
3797.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
你有這個管理委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
3798.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
3799.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
到底管理委員會大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
3799.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
3801.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
還是你的責任中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
3802.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
3804.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
這個會不會自動上的鏡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
3804.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
3806.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
這會有技術上的矛盾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
3806.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
3808.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
你執法已經有規定說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
3808.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
3810.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
管理辦法要有所謂的責任中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
3810.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
3812.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
那我看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
3812.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
3814.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
你這個國外基金管理委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
3814.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
3818.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
這個民眾黨新修訂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
3818.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
3820.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
這個就是所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
3820.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
3824.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
這個責任中心的精神在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
3824.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
3825.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
那你何必跌床架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
3825.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
3826.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
這是我的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
3826.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
3828.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
提供給各位做參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
3828.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
3829.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
來 邱應偉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
3829.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
3830.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
邱應偉之後 曾蔭才 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
3830.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
3832.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
曾蔭才之後 鍾佑斌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
3833.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
3834.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
3834.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
3836.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
我的想法跟這個主席雷同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
3836.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
3840.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
我是不是可以請教一下法治單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
3840.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
3842.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
法務部 我看今天法務部參事友來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
3844.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
3845.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
我可不可以說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
3845.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
3848.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
在整個立法精神上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
3849.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
3850.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
所以你的行政細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
3850.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
3853.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
行政施行細則裡頭有明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
3853.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
3855.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
等一下把施行細則的明定的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
3855.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
3857.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
把它拿到魔法裡面來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
3858.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
3860.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
這個在整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
3860.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
3862.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
我們的國家的整個立法精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
3862.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
3863.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
立法架構上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
3863.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
3865.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
會不會產生所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
3865.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
3867.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
跌床家屋的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
3867.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
3868.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
那我們上個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
3868.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
3869.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
在處理農法條例的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
3869.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
3870.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
民眾黨也是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
3871.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
3873.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
他也是把施行細則的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
3873.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
3874.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
拿到魔法裡頭來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
3874.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
3875.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
那現在看起來民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
3876.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
3878.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
是不是未來都是要把施行細則的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
3878.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
3881.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
拿到每一個魔法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
3881.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
3883.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
每一個要修改的魔法裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
3884.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
3886.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
那未來你的施行細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
3886.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
3888.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
其實內部是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
3888.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
3890.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
比較容易去做一些調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
3890.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
3891.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
可以因應時事的變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
3891.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
3894.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
因應很多制度的變化去做調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
3894.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
3896.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
那你把它放到魔法裡頭來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
3897.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
3899.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
要修訂並不容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
3900.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
3903.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
那在魔法裡頭去明定的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
3903.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
3905.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
那施行細則未來要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
3905.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
3907.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
這整個立法架構上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
3907.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
3909.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
可不可以請做一下說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
3908.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
3910.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
好請法務部634說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
3917.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
3921.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
剛剛委員所提的這個收支保管辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
3921.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
3922.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
主管機關這邊有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
3922.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
3926.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
他是根據產創條例授權訂定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
3926.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
3928.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
那他的性質就是法規命令 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
3928.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
3932.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
已經有法律授權而定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
3932.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
3933.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
所以他的性質 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
3933.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].end |
3935.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
效力其實跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
3935.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
3937.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
就是有法的位階 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
3937.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
3940.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
法律還有法律授權的法規命令 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].start |
3940.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
3941.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
那他的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
3941.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
3944.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
如果效果跟法律定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
3945.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
3947.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
如果從法律位階來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
3947.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
3949.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
是不一定說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
3949.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
3951.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
一定又要拉到條文裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
3951.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
3953.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
再去訂一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
3953.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
3956.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
因為他本來就是產創條例授權訂定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
3956.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
3959.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
除非說對這個授權的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
3959.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
3961.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
還是授權的明確性有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
3961.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
3963.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
那就看授權條款那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
3963.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
3965.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
怎麼樣去調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
3965.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].end |
3967.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
怎麼樣修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
3967.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
3969.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
程序上是從這樣來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
3969.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
3971.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
會比較符合他授權的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
3971.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
3974.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
那如果現在把 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
3974.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
3976.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
法律授權訂定的法規命令 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].start |
3976.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
3978.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
改成法律授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
3978.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
3980.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
那他本來就是產創條例授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].start |
3980.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
3982.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
但他本來就是產創條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
3982.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
3984.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
所以他本來就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
3984.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
3986.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
法律授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
3986.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
3988.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
那他本來就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
3988.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
3990.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
法律授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
3990.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
3992.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
那他本來就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
3992.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
3994.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
法律授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
3994.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
3996.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
那他本來就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
3996.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
3998.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
法律授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].start |
3998.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
4000.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
那他本來就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
4000.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
4002.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
法律授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].start |
3975.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
3977.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
法規命令的內容提上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].start |
3977.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
3979.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
這邊在明訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].start |
3979.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
3981.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
原來的授權條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
3981.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
3983.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
就會產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
3983.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
3985.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
雙重的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
3985.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
3987.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
原來本來就有授權規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
3987.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
3989.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
那現在又 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
3989.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
3991.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
授權的法規命令內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
3991.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
3993.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
又搬上來模仿這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
3993.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
3995.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
其他的條文再訂一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
3995.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
3997.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
所以我想在法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
3997.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
3999.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
體制上他有授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
3999.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
4001.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
有法規命令的性質 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
4001.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
4003.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
4003.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
4005.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
可不可以在條文上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
4005.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
4007.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
再重新寫一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
4007.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
4009.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
那如果要重新寫一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
4009.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
4011.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
可能要同時去檢視一下當時的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
4011.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
4013.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
授權規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
4013.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
4015.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
是不是要做同步的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
4015.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
4017.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
一個調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
4017.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
4019.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
才不會有雙重的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
4019.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
4021.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
4021.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
4023.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
我聽六三四你所說法是保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
4023.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
4025.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
是不是反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
4025.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
4027.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
那國安會納命為什麼你會接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
4031.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
4033.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
我先問問為什麼你們會接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
4034.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
4036.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
4035.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
4037.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
民進黨跟你們溝通的時候你們應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
4037.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
4039.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
跨部會去請教法務部的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
4039.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
4041.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
去請教經濟部的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].start |
4041.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
4043.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
請教他們的意見你能不能答應 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].start |
4044.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
4046.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
那其他委員呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].start |
4046.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
4048.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
其他委員有其他看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].start |
4048.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
4050.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
來聽助理說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
4051.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
4053.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
這部分我是不是請那個紫密說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
4053.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
4055.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
紫密 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
4055.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
4057.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
4057.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
4059.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
在修法的這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
4059.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
4061.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
確實如同剛剛洪委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
4061.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
4063.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
有提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
4063.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
4065.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
陸陸續續有幾次的這個溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
4065.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
4067.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
那其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
4067.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
4069.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
行政部門也一再重申 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
4069.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
4071.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
就是說在立法體力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
4071.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
4073.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
上面陳如剛剛法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
4073.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
4075.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
4075.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
4077.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
那這個部分就是說立法的層次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
4077.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
4079.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
那相關的這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
4079.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
4081.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
部分內容我們大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
4081.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
4083.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
也有提到說這已經明定在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
4083.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
4085.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
行政院國家發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
4085.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
4087.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
收支保管應用辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
4087.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
4089.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
第三條裡面有規定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
4089.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
4091.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
那體案修法內容既然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
4091.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
4093.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
已經明定在那個規範裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
4093.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
4095.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
而且是在立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
4095.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
4097.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
上面來講有它的這個好處 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
4097.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
4099.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
因為你入到條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].start |
4099.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
4101.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
裡面的話其實在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
4101.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
4103.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
如果需要因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
4103.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
4105.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
時事去變動的時候其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
4105.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
4107.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
當時定在這個收支應用管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
4107.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
4109.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
辦法是有它的這個道理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
4109.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
4111.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
我們大概有做這樣的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
4111.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
4113.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
重申 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
4113.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
4115.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
但是立法這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
4115.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
4117.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
那你剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
4117.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
4119.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
你剛剛為什麼沒有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
4120.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
4122.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
這個背景就是普通在跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
4122.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
4124.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
你應該要說剛剛史問你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
4124.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
4126.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
國防費立場的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
4126.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
4128.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
你應該就把剛才說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
4128.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
4130.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
要表達清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
4130.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
4132.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
行政部門立法院的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
4132.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
4134.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
詢答他們只詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
4134.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
4136.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
你們回答詢答不管是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
4136.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
4138.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
你的發言內容你的立場表明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
4139.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
4141.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
謹慎精確 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
4141.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
4143.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
而且要深思熟慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
4143.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
4145.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
該講就要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
4146.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
4148.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
所以提醒我這個行政部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
4148.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
4150.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
這個是法案審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
4150.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
4152.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
法案審查是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
4152.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
4154.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
多麼嚴肅的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
4155.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
4157.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
不是笨和和諧啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
4157.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
4159.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
我們必須每一句 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
4159.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
4161.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
回答的內容都要很精確 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
4161.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
4163.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].text |
都要有說本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
4163.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
4165.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
都要站在國家這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
4165.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
4167.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
國家利益的角度去讓制度能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
4167.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
4169.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
可長可久 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
4169.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
4171.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
而且全國人民都可以接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
4172.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
4173.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
4177.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
4177.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
4178.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
4180.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
4180.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
4182.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
從這樣的一個討論我們就可以知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
4184.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
4186.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
民眾黨第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
4187.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
4189.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
針對這個前項之管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
4189.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
4191.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
應建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
4192.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
4194.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
以確保收入及控制成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
4194.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
4196.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
發揮才有管理功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
4198.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
4200.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
這個部分啊剛才 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
4201.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
4203.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
大家發言就可以知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].start |
4203.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].end |
4205.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].text |
這個是有它的必要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].start |
4205.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].end |
4207.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].text |
而事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].start |
4207.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].end |
4209.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
之所以會去檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].start |
4209.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
4211.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
去把它列入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].start |
4211.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].end |
4213.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].text |
把它提升為法律的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].start |
4214.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].end |
4216.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].text |
也就是因為過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
4216.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
4218.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
在國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
4219.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].end |
4221.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].text |
在國家發展基金的應用上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].start |
4221.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].end |
4223.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
確實出了一些很大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
4224.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].end |
4226.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
就配有臨時供給 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
4227.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].end |
4229.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
臨時供給 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].start |
4229.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
4231.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].text |
一個電影 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
4231.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
4233.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
怎麼會是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
4231.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
4233.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
文化創意發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].start |
4234.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
4236.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
它就是一個電影啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
4236.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
4238.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
怎麼會有什麼文化創意發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
4239.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
4241.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
被社會大眾批評的一套糊塗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
4243.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].end |
4245.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
這個成本就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
4245.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].end |
4247.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
這個投入了這麼多的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].start |
4247.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
4249.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
然後根本就沒有辦法回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
4251.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
4253.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
包括到以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].start |
4253.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
4255.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
斯卡羅的那部電影 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].start |
4255.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].end |
4257.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
還影響到我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
4257.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
4259.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
原住民非常重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
4260.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
4262.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
的一個侵害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
4263.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
4265.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
4264.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
4266.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
法國的宿命啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
4268.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
4270.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
在那法務部要檢討啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
4271.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].end |
4273.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
4272.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
4274.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
當初法律授權要定這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
4276.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
4278.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
國家發展基金的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
4278.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
4280.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
相關的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
4280.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
4282.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
行政國家發展基金收支保管及應用辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
4285.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
4287.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
當初並沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
4287.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
4289.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
提出說像現在的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
4289.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
4291.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
這個選項是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
4291.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
4293.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
管理機關應建立責任中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
4293.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
4295.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
置入... |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
4294.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
4296.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
並沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
4296.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
4298.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
當時的國發會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
4298.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
4300.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
願意把它放在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
4300.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
4302.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
這個管理辦法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
4303.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
4305.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
那現在要把它從 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
4305.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
4307.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
管理辦法提升為法律的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
4307.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
4309.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
4309.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
4311.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
哪一條規定說不行呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
4313.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
4315.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
在法律上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
4314.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
4316.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪...哪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
4317.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
4319.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
太多這種案例了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
4320.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
4321.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
這種案例太多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
4323.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
4324.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
4326.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
4330.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
國防會法務部在發言的時候也要謹慎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
4332.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
4335.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
從法規命令提升為法律的太多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
4336.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
4341.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
甚至從行政規則提升為法律的條文太多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
4342.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
4344.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
所以這個部分大家這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
4344.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
4347.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
我們現在是怎麼樣去讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
4348.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
4350.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
產業創新條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
4350.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
4353.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
然後設立這個國家發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
4354.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
4355.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
讓它能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
4356.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
4358.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
這個在執行上 管理上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
4359.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
4361.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
然後真正能夠達到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
4362.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
4364.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
產業創新的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
4366 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
4368.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
加速產業創新加值 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
4368.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
4372.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
促進經濟轉型及國家發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
4374.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
4375.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
然後不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
4376.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
4377.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
這個因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
4379.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
4380.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
4380.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
4382.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
制度的不夠周全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
4382.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
4385.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
然後就產生相關零日工資這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
4386.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
4387.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
電影 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
4388.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
4389.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
這個跟文化創意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
4390.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
4392.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
發展有什麼關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
4392.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
4395.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
結果也沒有辦法達到產業創新加值 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
4395.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
4398.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
經濟轉型及國家的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
4399.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
4402.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
所以這個部分大家共同的來去怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
4402.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
4403.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
讓這個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
4403.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
4405.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
也許這個條文還不夠周全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
4407.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
4408.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
你法務部或是其 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
4409.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
4410.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
國發會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
4410.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
4411.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
應該是要提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
4411.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
4413.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
讓它更周全的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
4413.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
4413.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
而不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
4414.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
4415.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
而不是說不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
4415.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
4415.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
4416.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
4418 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
中央病危之後 梁平煒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
4420.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
4422 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
有黨的委員啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
4422.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
4424.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
常常掛在嘴巴說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
4424.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
4426.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
立法院不是立法局啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
4427.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
4429.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
所以立法者要立法者的高度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
4429.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
4431.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
老是把行政機關的施行細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
4431.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
4433.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
拿來放入法律的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
4433.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
4435.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
放在法律的位階 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
4435.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
4438.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
無形中是把自己做小 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
4438.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
4439.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
難道立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
4439.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
4441.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
一定要認同行政院的施行細則嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
4442.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
4444.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
行政機關很多的施行細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
4444.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
4446.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
跟我們所制定的母法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
4446.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
4447.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
是有憾格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
4447.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
4449.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
本席剛剛就提出批判 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
4450.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
4452.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
這個成如剛剛邱委員所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
4452.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
4454.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
上周同樣在這個場景 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
4454.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
4456.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
農法條例要進行法律位階的修改 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
4458.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
4460.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
但是呢 同樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
4460.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
4462.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
有民眾黨團的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
4462.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
4464.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
他是把農法條例的施行細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
4464.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
4466.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
裡面的錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
4466.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
4468.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
原封不動的搬到母法來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
4468.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
4470.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
造成了跟實況脫節 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
4470.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
4472.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
那個是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
4472.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
4474.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
農法條例當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
4474.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
4476.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
行政機關犯了一個錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
4476.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
4478.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
他的政定條文9-1當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
4478.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
4480.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
將農地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
4479.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
4481.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
載化為種植用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
4482.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
4484.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
忽略了餘溫養殖畜牧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
4485.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
4487.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
其他的用地也在農地用地的範疇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
4492.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
4494.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
這些道路的施工 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
4494.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
4496.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
不能用磚瓦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
4496.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
4498.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
必須用壤土 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
4498.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
4500.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
這完全是行政機關犯的錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
4500.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
4502.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
立法者沒有辦法去發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
4502.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
4504.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
行政機關在施行細則犯的錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
4504.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
4506.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
硬生生的還要把他拉到法律層面來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
4506.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
4508.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
無意的就是把自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
4508.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
4510.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
做成了行政機關的立法局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
4510.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
4512.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
本席剛剛的發言就是在批判 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
4515.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
4517.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
國發基金管理的收支細則當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
4517.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
4519.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
這個辦法當中啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
4519.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
4521.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
自己突兀的放入了一個責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
4521.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
4523.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
請主委你回去看一看你們這個細則的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
4526.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
4528.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
責任中心這樣放到那裡去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
4528.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
4530.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
你本身又不是營利機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
4530.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
4532.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
你只是要收支管理而已嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
4532.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
4534.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
你這裡的責任彷彿是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
4534.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
4536.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
必須要對這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
4536.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
4538.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
的部門要去要求責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
4538.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
4540.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
但是你裡面的施行細則裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
4540.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
4542.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
完全沒有提到責任中心制度當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
4542.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
4544.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
最重要的利潤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
4544.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
4546.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
只達到收支的管理成本的討論而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
4548.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
4550.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
這就表示說施行細則本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
4550.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
4552.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
對於我們母法29條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
4552.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
4554.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
30條要追求的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
4554.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
4556.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
是有一定程度的憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
4556.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
4558.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
過去或許我們在批評國發基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
4558.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
4560.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
它的可能部分功能不彰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
4561.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
4563.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
可能也是來自於你們這個管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
4564.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
4566.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
定位有所不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
4566.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
4568.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
如果真的要徹底的去貫徹 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
4568.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
4569.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
4569.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
4571.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
根本不是交由國發會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
4571.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
4573.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
本身組成管理機關去管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
4573.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
4575.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
而是要另外獨立出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
4575.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
4577.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
成了一個投資機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
4578.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
4580.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
成為一個獨立的投資機構來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
4580.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
4582.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
才有辦法進行這個責任中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
4582.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
4584.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
所以不要以為說我們看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
4584.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
4586.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
4586.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
4588.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
細則就是對的細則就是相的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
4588.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
4590.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
立法者要立法者的高度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
4590.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
4592.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
當我們看到細則當中錯誤援用一下概念的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
4592.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
4594.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
要勇於提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
4594.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
4596.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
在他的母條當中去改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
4596.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
4598.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
結果不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
4598.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
4600.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
本期這兩年多來看到民眾黨的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
4599.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
4601.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
就是只有一章 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
4601.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
4603.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
把詩情細則拉到母法的位階 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
4603.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
4605.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
為什麼要這樣做我待會再講給你聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
4605.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
4607.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
4607.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
4609.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
在這個新政的要嘛就照抄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
4609.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
4611.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
偏偏的又不照抄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
4611.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
4613.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
要放進什麼條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
4613.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
4615.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
我舉例像他們31條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
4615.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
4617.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
他要放進什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
4617.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
4619.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
他要放進一個屬於公視委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
4619.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
4621.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
審查委員會的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
4621.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
4623.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
原來行政機關在授權之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
4623.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
4625.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
法律授權之下他做一個行政管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
4626.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
4628.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
4628.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
4630.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
他們居然要成立一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
4630.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
4632.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
所謂的由立法院推舉社會公正人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
4632.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
4634.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
8至10人組成一個審查委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
4634.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
4636.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
來審查什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
4636.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
4638.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
審查當中的學者專家的名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
4638.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
4640.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
要經過這個各黨派 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
4640.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
4642.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
提出來的審查委員會來審查名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
4643.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
4645.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
這明明白白的就是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
4645.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
4647.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
造成今天公視 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
4647.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
4649.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
自愛難行的翻版 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
4649.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
4650.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
4650.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].end |
4652.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].text |
他們今天的再修正動議我剛剛看了傻眼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
4653.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].end |
4655.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
他們把這個審查委員會拿掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].start |
4655.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
4657.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
他們這個動議呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].start |
4657.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
4659.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
由立法院各政黨團依形式比例推薦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
4659.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
4661.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
其中每一政黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
4661.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
4663.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
應該有一人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
4663.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
4665.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
這是什麼目光狹隘的修法啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
4665.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
4667.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
你認為中華民國的國會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
4667.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
4669.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
只有少於六個政黨嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
4669.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
4671.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
我們的專家學者四到六人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
4671.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
4673.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
你說每個政黨至少一席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
4673.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
4675.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
那你是假設立法院未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].start |
4675.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
4677.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].text |
選民選出來的政黨不會超過六個嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].start |
4678.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
4680.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
所以這一種目光短淺的立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
4680.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
4682.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
硬生生把 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
4682.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
4684.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
不見得完全正確的執法拉上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
4684.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
4686.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
放上母法在母法的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
4686.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
4688.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
他就要介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
4687.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
4689.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
因為在行政機關施行記者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
4689.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
4691.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
他是報本院備查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
4691.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
4693.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
但是拉到立法者的程度的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
4693.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
4695.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
就由立法院的多數來決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
4696.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
4698.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
今天民眾黨團不是立法院的多數啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
4698.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
4700.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
他靠的就是國民黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
4700.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
4702.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
對他無條件不分青紅皂白的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
4702.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
4704.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
以為他有國會多數的支持之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
4704.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
4706.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
他將執法將執行記者拉到母法來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
4706.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
4708.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
在硬生生加入一些莫名其妙的規定之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
4708.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
4710.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
他就要來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].start |
4712.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].end |
4714.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].text |
來 擅奪行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].start |
4714.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].end |
4716.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].text |
所以我們這裡我們看到啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].start |
4716.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].end |
4718.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].text |
我們行政機關的說明很清楚嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].start |
4718.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].end |
4720.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].text |
本來一個法律就有它的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].start |
4720.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].end |
4722.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].text |
立法規範的層級化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].start |
4723.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].end |
4726.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].text |
什麼叫層級化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].start |
4725.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].end |
4727.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].text |
立法者作為一個立法規範的最上位者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].start |
4727.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].end |
4729.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].text |
我們定出了目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].start |
4729.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].end |
4731.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].text |
我們定出了框架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].start |
4731.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].end |
4733.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].text |
授權給行政機關去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].start |
4733.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].end |
4735.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].text |
行政機關依求他行政執行的結果的良與好壞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].start |
4735.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].end |
4737.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].text |
接受選民社會的公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].start |
4737.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].end |
4739.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].text |
透過選舉來更替 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].start |
4741.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].end |
4743.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].text |
如果說國會的多數黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].start |
4743.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].end |
4745.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].text |
沒辦法取得行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].start |
4745.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].end |
4747.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].text |
他就必須接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].start |
4747.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].end |
4749.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].text |
行政權的表現之後的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].start |
4749.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].end |
4751.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].text |
由選民來裁判 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
4751.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].end |
4753.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].text |
透過選舉來決定行政權的移轉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].start |
4753.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].end |
4755.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].text |
而不是像過去這兩年以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].start |
4755.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].end |
4757.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].text |
仗有國會的多數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].start |
4757.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].end |
4759.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].text |
不但善改我們法律未接的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].start |
4759.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
4761.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].text |
以國會多數強制將行政權當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].start |
4761.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].end |
4763.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].text |
屬於行政權應該自行規定的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].start |
4763.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].end |
4765.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].text |
拉到母法來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
4765.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
4767.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].text |
說是好聽提高層級 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].start |
4767.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
4769.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].text |
其實呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].start |
4769.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
4771.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].text |
就是因為沒有行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].start |
4771.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].end |
4773.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].text |
國會的多數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].start |
4773.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
4775.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].text |
是沒有辦法去影響實際的施政內容的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].start |
4775.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].end |
4777.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].text |
他只有透過立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].start |
4777.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
4779.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
將行政權的施行細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
4779.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
4781.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
的層次東西拉上來規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].start |
4781.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
4783.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
然後再挾持多數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
4783.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].end |
4785.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].text |
將一些荒謬的規定塞進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
4785.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].end |
4787.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].text |
強逼行政權要接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].start |
4787.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].end |
4789.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].text |
這就是過去這兩年多來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].start |
4789.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].end |
4791.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].text |
我們行政立法的最大亂源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].start |
4791.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].end |
4793.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].text |
就是行政立法國會權跟行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].start |
4793.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
4795.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
沒有各自遵守應有的本分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].start |
4795.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].end |
4797.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].text |
國會權沒有行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].start |
4797.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].end |
4799.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].text |
但是要用國會的多數來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].start |
4799.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].end |
4801.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].text |
擅奪行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].start |
4801.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].end |
4803.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].text |
把行政機關未必完善的行政命令法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].start |
4803.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].end |
4805.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].text |
執法提上來作為母法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].start |
4805.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].end |
4807.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].text |
然後又不是全盤照接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].start |
4807.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].end |
4809.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].text |
又在裡面加入一些莫名其妙的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].start |
4809.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].end |
4811.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].text |
先是看到你們31條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].start |
4811.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
4813.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].text |
先是有一個公視委員會的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].start |
4813.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
4815.72 |
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然後又提出一個各黨派 |
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4815.72 |
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4817.72 |
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至少一起的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].start |
4817.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
4819.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
目的是什麼目的是要介入行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].start |
4819.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
4821.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].text |
然後接近會委員的名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].start |
4822.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
4824.14 |
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就是要介入國發基金會審查管理委員的名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].start |
4824.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].end |
4826.14 |
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這個管理委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].start |
4826.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
4828.14 |
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你要介入可以啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].start |
4828.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].end |
4830.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].text |
取得行政權就是歸你管 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].start |
4830.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].end |
4832.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].text |
好壞成敗你來負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].start |
4832.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].end |
4834.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].text |
像現在責任不輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].start |
4833.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].end |
4835.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].text |
又是沒有取得行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].start |
4835.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].end |
4837.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].text |
又要干涉行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].start |
4837.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
4839.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].text |
未來行政的結果到底責任歸屬是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].start |
4839.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].end |
4841.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
這就是憲法法庭對於我們過去這兩年多來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].start |
4841.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
4843.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].text |
國會多數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].start |
4845.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
4847.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].text |
違憲亂政 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
4847.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
4849.26 |
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獲權的一個最重要的一個根本的核心批評 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].start |
4849.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
4851.26 |
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所以請國外再看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
4851.26 |
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4853.26 |
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你們要回去去檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
4853.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
4855.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
你們的施行細則對嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
4854.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
4856.68 |
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你們施行細則把一個錯誤的責任中心概念放進去對嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].start |
4858.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].end |
4860.68 |
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但是尊重行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
4860.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
4862.68 |
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因為我們最後是以你們成敗來問責的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
4862.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
4864.68 |
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不是以你本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
4864.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
4866.68 |
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規範你自己內部調度的規則來問責的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
4866.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
4868.68 |
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你的規則就算不盡理想 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
4868.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
4870.68 |
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就算是引用有錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
4870.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
4872.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
但是我們是以最後的責任來問責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
4872.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
4874.68 |
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但是我們認為沒有必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
4874.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
4876.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
把一個屬於行政權內部規範的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
4876.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
4878.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
提升到一個母法立法者的高度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
4878.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
4880.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
而且又不是全盤接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
4880.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
4882.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
還要錯誤的加入一些莫名其妙的制度規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
4882.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
4884.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
4886.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
4888.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
謝謝中央媒體委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
4889.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
4891.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
嗯 我想問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
4891.81 |
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4893.89 |
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立法院各政黨或者是各個委員大家都 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
4896.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
4902.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
為了怎麼樣能夠更善盡其在法律方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
4902.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
4904.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
讓行政部門可以更好的執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
4905.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
4909.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
而且社會層面也能夠有更好的一個成效 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
4911.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
4913.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
這個是非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
4913.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
4915.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
但是我絕對反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
4914.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
4916.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
我覺得反對是以政治化術 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
4918.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
4920.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
4919.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
4921.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
呃 法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
4921.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
4923.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
的這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
4923.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
4925.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
這第一點我提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
4925.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
4927.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
對於取得行政權就歸你管 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
4927.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
4929.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
這句話我也充分不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
4930.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
4932.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
因為我們是一個民主國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
4933.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
4935.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
任何的委員或者是政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
4938.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
4940.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
行政部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
4940.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
4942.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
都得提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
4941.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
4943.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
各自認為更加好的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
4946.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
4948.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
法律出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
4948.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
4950.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
這就是我們在立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
4949.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
4951.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
看著明末到了立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
4951.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
4953.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
要怎麼樣去立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].start |
4954 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
4956 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
這是我們看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
4956 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
4958 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
而且是我們必須要做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
4958.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].end |
4960.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
那接下來我們要看今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
4961.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
4963.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
當行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
4963.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
4965.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
在目前的法律當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
4965.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
4967.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
或者是你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].start |
4967.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
4969.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
辦法當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
4968.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
4970.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
沒有辦法未盡完善時 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
4970.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
4972.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
那我們就有這個責任來提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].start |
4974.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].end |
4976.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].text |
任何人提出大家都應該給予 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].start |
4978.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].end |
4980.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].text |
共同的一個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].start |
4980.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].end |
4982.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].text |
這是我一再強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
4982.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
4984.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
我一再強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].start |
4984.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
4986.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
在法律方面更不應當 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].start |
4986.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
4988.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
任何一個人執政 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
4988.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
4990.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].text |
更不應當以政治化術 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
4990.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
4992.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
來作為討論的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].start |
4992.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
4994.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].text |
軌道跟結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
4995.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
4997.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].text |
所以因此我要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].start |
4998.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
5002.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].text |
在提出這樣子的一個法條出來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
5002.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].end |
5004.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].text |
行政部門跟宏喆委討論過幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
5006.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
5008.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
5008.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
5010.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].text |
有沒有討論過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
5011.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
5013.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].text |
這個今天以前討論過幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
5013.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
5015.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
5036.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
5038.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].text |
這都是非常的珍貴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
5038.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
5040.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
所以如果說在中文討論之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
5042.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
5044.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].text |
都認為是有幫助的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
5045.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].end |
5047.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].text |
行政部門也認為可以接受的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
5048.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
5050.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
那就不應當今天有這些政治化術 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
5052.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
5054.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
所以我是認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
5054.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
5056.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].text |
行政部門您提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
5056.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
5058.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].text |
你是正統的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
5058.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
5060.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].text |
但是你現在似乎又有不一樣的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
5062.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
5064.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
你應該提出你的論述 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
5064.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
5066.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
來說服來溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].start |
5066.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
5068.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].text |
這才是對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
5068.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
5070.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
這才是立法院在審查法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
5071.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
5073.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
最重要的一個精髓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
5074.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
5076.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
以上是我的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
5077.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
5079.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
謝謝楊淑儀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
5080.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
5082.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
有沒有溝通跟討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
5083.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
5085.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
這個國安會特別注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
5087.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
5089.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
黨團或個別委員都有提案修正的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
5091.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
5093.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
提案你們去跟他說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
5093.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
5096.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
因為剛才討論了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
5095.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
5097.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
他提案不見得其他的委員可以接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
5098.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
5101.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
你們同時也要跟其他委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
5101.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
5103.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
說某某委員某某黨團有這個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
5103.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
5105.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
你要讓委員知道有這個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
5107.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
5109.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
那不是說你單方面就可以承諾 |
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5111.62 |
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5113.62 |
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你們是來備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
5113.62 |
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5115.62 |
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你們審查法案是你們來提供一些意見 |
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5117.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
5119.34 |
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最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
5118.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
5120.53 |
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審查法案定奪是在委員會到院會 |
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5122.85 |
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5124.85 |
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所以你不能貿然承諾 |
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5124.85 |
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5126.85 |
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而且你的立場要抓穩 |
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5126.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
5128.85 |
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要堅定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
5129.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
5131.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
所以我還是覺得這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
5132.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
5134.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
法律的這個修正是非常嚴肅的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
5138.02 |
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我是有感而發 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
5138.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
5140.3 |
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這個紀念度就算到8月都還沒有過 |
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5140.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
5142.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
這時尚未見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
5143.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
5146.05 |
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國人對立法院預算審查的嚴當 |
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5147.8 |
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5149.88 |
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記得我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
5149.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
5151.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
非常覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
5151.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
5153.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
在以所說的地方 |
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5153.94 |
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5155.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].text |
這個紀念度預算原本在去年就要完成 |
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5155.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].end |
5157.94 |
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8月還沒過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
5159.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
5161.74 |
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我很難去跟這個民眾去說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].start |
5162.9 |
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5164.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].start |
5165.06 |
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5167.14 |
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立法院這個該檢討的地方很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].start |
5168.3 |
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5170.38 |
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因此如果要救誰的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
5171.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
5173.83 |
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立法院本來是負責審查國家預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].start |
5175.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
5177.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
國家預算審查本來是立法院天職 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
5179.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
5181.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
有這個預算審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
5181.47 |
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5183.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
如果你要有相關制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].start |
5183.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
5185.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
更按照你的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
5184.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
5186.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
我從立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
5186.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
5188.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
委員資源行事法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
5188.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
5190.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
立法院各委員會的組織法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
5190.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
5192.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
相關對預算審查的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].start |
5192.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
5194.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
從委員會審查到查緯審查到院會的法案審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
5194.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
5196.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
都有相關的審查規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
5200.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
5202.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
但是今天為什麼發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].start |
5202.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
5204.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].text |
這個一直延宕到8個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].start |
5205.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
5208.03 |
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今年都預算都沒辦法審 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
5208.5 |
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5210.58 |
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而且沒辦法審查玩具 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].start |
5210.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
5212.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
如果按照你這個邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
5212.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
5214.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
我們是不是立法院也要設立一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
5214.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
5216.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
預算審查所謂的責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].start |
5218.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
5220.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
預算如果延宕要不要就此 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
5223.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
5225.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
就此從委員會的這個委員開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
5225.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
5227.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
從委員會的這個章委開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
5228.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
5230.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
為什麼不拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
5230.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
5232.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
為什麼不延宕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
5233.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
5235.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
所以如果說你一個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
5235.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
5237.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
改變會影響整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].start |
5237.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
5239.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
大法律教會改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].start |
5241.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
5244.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
這個不是那麼簡單的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
5245.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
5248.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].start |
5247.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
5249.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
要以審慎去面對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
5249.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
5251.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
我們沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
5252.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
5254.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
認真去審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
5254.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
5256.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
因為這個提案都是民眾黨的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
5256.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
5258.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
不然是29條的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].start |
5258.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
5260.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
跟30條之一的新增 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
5261.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
5263.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
這個我想請教一下章委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].start |
5263.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
5265.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
那個宏一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
5265.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
5267.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
因為這個都是貴黨的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
5268.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
5270.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
你一方面要成立管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
5270.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
5272.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
要建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
5272.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
5274.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
一方面你又要新設 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
5274.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
5276.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
一個所謂國家發展經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
5276.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
5278.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
管理委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
5278.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
5280.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
管理委員會的功能也是要管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
5280.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
5282.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
國發金收視保管的運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
5283.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
5285.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
那你這個責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
5285.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
5287.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
這個在執法裡面就有訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
5287.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
5289.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
它的功能也是要確保 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
5290.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
5292.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
這個收入控制成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
5293.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
5295.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
跟你們所謂30條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
5295.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
5297.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
你們新增的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
5299.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
5301.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
國家發展經管理委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
5301.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
5303.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
功能你們是怎麼去區分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
5304.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
5306.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
未接怎麼樣去做做區分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
5307.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
5309.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
然後你們就職制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
5309.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
5311.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
你們到底有沒有一個完整的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
5311.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
5313.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
因為是貴黨的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
5313.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
5315.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
我想貴黨會比較清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
5315.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
5317.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
請教一下宏委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
5317.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
5319.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
可能各位對國發基金的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
5319.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
5321.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
管理委員會跟投審會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
5321.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
5323.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
是不清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
5323.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
5325.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
管委會基本上是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
5325.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
5327.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
我已經在這邊14年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
5327.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
5329.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
沒有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
5330.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
5332.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
好那 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
5334.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
5336.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
提訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
5335.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
5337.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
我沒有說我自己很懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
5337.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
5339.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
我只是跟你們解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
5342.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
5344.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
管理委員會基本上就是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
5344.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
5346.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
committee |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
5345.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
5347.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
所以它底下來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
5347.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
5349.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
負責一些重大的決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
5349.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
5351.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
像我們在投審會裡面所投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
5351.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
5353.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
審查的東西如果委員是同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
5353.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
5355.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
投資那個案子或融資的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
5355.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
5357.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
那是送到管理委員會再去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
5357.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
5359.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
確認做confirm |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
5359.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
5361.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
所以今天只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
5361.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
5363.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
在我們這一個過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
5363.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
5365.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
不管是東北光電如新光電裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
5365.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
5367.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
很多都是在管理委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
5367.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
5369.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
在做這種部門的重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
5369.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
5371.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
決策的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
5371.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
5373.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
沒有像我們投審會裡頭的事宜者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
5373.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
5375.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
那樣子的嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
5376.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
5378.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
那基本上來講它就是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
5378.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
5380.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
追認或者是一個行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
5380.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
5382.1 |
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部門的機關的參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
5382.1 |
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5384.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
所以我們是希望把這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
5384.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
5386.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
一個未接的辦法拉到母法來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
5387.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
5389.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
讓它後面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
5389.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
5391.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
不管是在將來我們立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
5391.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
5393.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
或者是一些東西要做調查的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
5393.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
5395.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
甚至它違反旋轉門條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
5395.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
5397.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
它才會有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
5397.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
5399.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
這樣子的一個罰則或者是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
5399.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
5401.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
責任的追蹤的一個依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
5402.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
5404.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
所以基本上來講我們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
5404.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
5406.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
這個東西就如同這個一直很濃發一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
5406.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
5408.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
你如果放在管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
5409.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
5411.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
它就沒有這些行政的一個罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
5411.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
5413.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
所以它繼續把它拉到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
5413.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
5415.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
法的這個未接來做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
5415.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
5417.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
所以它只是一個配套 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
5417.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
5419.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
因為我們後面來講比如說將來有出事了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
5419.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
5421.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
有一些的這個案子投資有疑慮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
5421.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
5423.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
有弊案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
5423.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
5425.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
那你有一些調查委員會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
5425.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
5427.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
它才可以有職權去把這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
5427.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
5429.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
5428.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
5432.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
審查的投資會議紀錄這些東西做開封 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
5432.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
5434.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
就是為了讓我們國發基金的管理更健全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
5434.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
5436.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
不要說每次出事了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
5436.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
5438.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
那他們的話可能就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
5438.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
5442.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
被迫莫名其妙的一個管理的一個罪責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
5442.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
5444.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
只是當時很大的出發點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
5444.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
5446.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
所以當時我們提出這樣的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
5446.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
5448.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
也跟它來回來回來回 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
5448.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
5450.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
也找了法治司也找這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
5450.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
5452.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
討論了好幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
5452.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
5454.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
所以今天來講的話也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
5454.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
5456.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
把雙方都可以接受的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
5456.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
5458.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
寫成再修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
5458.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
5460.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
就這樣子很簡單的一個溝通的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
5462.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
5464.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
理由跟程序跟各位委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].start |
5466.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
5468.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
再修正動議並沒有跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
5469.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
5471.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
並沒有調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
5471.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
5473.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
跟原來的提案是沒有更動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
5473.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
5475.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
對因為它那個時候的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
5475.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
5477.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
就是它對我們的再修正第29條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
5477.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
5479.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
是沒有更動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
5479.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
5481.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
因為它就是所謂的同意嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].start |
5481.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
5483.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
所以我就沒有再去更動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
5483.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
5485.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
主要是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
5485.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
5487.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
像剛剛這個30條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
5487.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
5489.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
我們也認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
5489.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].end |
5491.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
也遵循國發會跟他們一起討論的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
5491.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
5493.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
就是認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
5493.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
5495.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
我們不應該用這麼嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].start |
5495.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
5497.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
怕他的將來的管理會難產 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
5497.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].end |
5499.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
會影響到投審會的運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
5499.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
5501.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
所以我們才 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
5501.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
5503.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
變成是這樣子的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
5503.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
5505.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
讓外部的專家讓各政黨中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
5505.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
5507.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
有充分進去管委會了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
5508.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
5511.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
因為管委會它只是一個追加confirm |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
5512.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
5514.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
這樣子的一個責任的機制而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
5515.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
5517.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
那我請問一下洪委員所謂的責任中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
5517.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
5519.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
跟你30條之一的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
5519.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
5521.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
國家發展基金管理委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
5523.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
5525.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
它的官方區分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
5525.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
5527.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
他責任中心只是在他當時的細則辦法裡頭說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
5527.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
5529.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
你這個管委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
5529.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
5531.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
應該對各個不管投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
5531.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
5533.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
因為投資裡頭可能還包含台三的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
5536.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
5538.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
跟投的天使投資的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
5538.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
5540.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
這每一個基金的規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
5540.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
5542.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
像我們現在有7項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
5542.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
5544.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
可能還會有8項的百億的投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
5544.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
5546.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
這每一類的投資標的不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
5546.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
5548.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
管理會希望能夠了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
5549.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
5551.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
各個這些管理基金投融資的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
5551.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
5553.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
績效的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
5553.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
5555.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
那明確知道比如說這個基金的管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
5555.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
5557.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
這個負責的這個PM |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
5557.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
5559.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
是不是有這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
5559.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
5561.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
達到當時的效果而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
5561.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
5563.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
所以他只是把這個當時的位階 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
5563.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
5565.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
那國外當時也同意說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
5565.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
5567.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].text |
這個東西把它鳴訂上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
5567.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
5569.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
也沒有什麼樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
5569.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
5571.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
自愛難行的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
5571.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
5573.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
所以我們才是說OK那就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
5574.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
5577.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
第一條現在就有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
5576.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
5579.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].text |
那個是中央聯合眾議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
5580.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
5583.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].text |
其實我們看了這兩年多來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
5583.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
5585.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].text |
在野黨團的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
5585.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
5587.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
其實就是把原來剛剛所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
5588.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
5590.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
這個所謂的國發基金收支管 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
5590.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
5592.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
保管及運用辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
5592.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
5594.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
它這裡面呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
5594.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
5596.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
第一條當然就是抄我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
5596.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
5598.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].text |
母法第一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
5598.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
5600.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
第二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
5600.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
5602.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
第三十條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
5602.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
5604.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
但是呢他又加了第二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
5604.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
5606.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
要根據預算法規定是個特種基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
5606.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].end |
5608.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
那其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
5608.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
5610.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
在母法當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
5610.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
5612.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
我們另訂一個管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
5612.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
5614.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].text |
他其實要成立一個叫管理會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
5614.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
5616.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
一個組織 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
5616.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
5618.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
這個管理會的組織大概哪些功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
5618.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
5620.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
基本上就是目前我們看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
5620.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
5622.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].text |
從三十一條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
5622.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
5624.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
到後面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
5623.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
5625.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
全部的就是把這個管理辦法當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
5625.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
5627.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
這個管理會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
5627.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
5629.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
內容全部搬上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
5629.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
5631.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
三十條之八 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
5631.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
5633.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
從之一到之八 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
5633.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
5635.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
而且還不是完全抄喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
5635.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
5637.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
因為我們的管理辦法當中呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
5637.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
5639.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
一共有幾條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
5639.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
5641.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].text |
一共有十九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
5641.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].end |
5643.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].text |
扣掉一些基本的描述 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
5643.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
5645.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
法規的描述 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
5645.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
5647.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
大概內容就是差不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
5647.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
5649.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
但是最重要的他要放哪一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
5649.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
5651.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
要放三十條之一的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
5651.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
5653.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
管理會底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
5653.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
5655.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
他有專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
5655.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
5657.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
他在第二項的時候特別強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
5657.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].end |
5659.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].text |
專家學者產生程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
5659.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].end |
5661.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].text |
要又再創造一個審查委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].start |
5663.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].end |
5665.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].text |
簡單講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].start |
5665.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].end |
5667.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].text |
整個意圖就是要改寫我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].start |
5667.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].end |
5669.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].text |
基本上屬於執法的管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
5669.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].end |
5671.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].text |
管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
5671.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].end |
5673.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].text |
去創設了一個管理會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].start |
5673.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].end |
5675.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].text |
不是管委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
5675.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].end |
5677.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].text |
管理會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].start |
5677.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].end |
5679.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].text |
而這個管理會的組成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].start |
5679.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].end |
5681.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
很重要的有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
5681.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].end |
5683.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].text |
所謂的專家學者四到六人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].start |
5683.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].end |
5685.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].text |
要參與這個管理會的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
5685.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].end |
5687.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].text |
這是目前國發基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].start |
5687.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].end |
5689.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].text |
管理會的核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].start |
5689.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].end |
5691.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].text |
簡單講那個管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
5691.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].end |
5693.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].text |
那個收支保管運用辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].start |
5693.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].end |
5695.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].text |
他是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].start |
5695.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].end |
5697.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].text |
他是在定義這個管理會的組成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
5697.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].end |
5699.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].text |
他的職長他的分工 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
5699.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].end |
5701.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].text |
其中所謂的責任中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
5701.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
5703.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].text |
是也不過其中第二條的第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
5703.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
5705.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
一句話帶過而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
5706.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].end |
5708.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].text |
後面有沒有看到對應管理中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
5708.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].end |
5710.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].text |
這個責任中心的內容呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
5710.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].end |
5712.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].text |
我沒有看出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
5712.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].end |
5714.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
但是無論如何這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
5713.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
5715.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
我們第29條的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
5715.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
5717.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
29條跟30條目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
5717.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
5719.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
是後來我們國發 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
5721.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
5723.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
基金有一個管理會的法源依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
5723.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
5725.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
而這次民眾黨團的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
5725.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
5727.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
就是要在這個管理會當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
5727.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
5729.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
硬生生的把那四到六位專家學者的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
5734.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
5736.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
一開始他們原來的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
5736.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
5738.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
是要用什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
5738.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
5740.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
用公視委員的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
5740.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
5742.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
再另外創設一個審查委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
5742.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
5744.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
由立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
5743.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
5745.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
立法院推舉的公正人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
5745.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
5747.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
來創設一個審查委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
5747.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
5749.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
用審查委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
5749.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
5751.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
來審查管理會當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
5751.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
5753.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
那四到六名的學者專家的名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
5753.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
5755.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
5755.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
5757.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
就是要參與到行政權當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
5757.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
5759.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
對於管理委員會的組成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
5759.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
5761.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
這樣的一個行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
5763.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
5765.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
如果說今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
5765.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
5767.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
民眾黨團的目的就是認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
5767.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
5769.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
國發基金這個管理會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
5769.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
5771.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
的內容的成員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
5771.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
5773.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
必須要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
5773.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
5775.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
立法機關的意旨在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
5775.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
5777.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
你根本不用把整套的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
5777.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
5779.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
管理辦法拉上來嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
5779.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
5781.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
你就直接訂一個條文說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
5781.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
5783.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
這當中 未來這個管理會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
5783.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
5785.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
國發基金管理會當中的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
5785.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
5787.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
學者專家應有怎麼樣就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
5787.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
5789.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
5788.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
5790.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
立法技術就那一套而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
5790.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
5792.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
全部執法搬上來母法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
5792.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
5794.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
目的是為了幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
5794.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
5796.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
就是為了要把那個學者專家四到六人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
5796.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
5798.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
另外再成立一個審查委員會來審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
5798.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
5800.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
但是呢 今天的修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
5800.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
5802.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
我剛剛講一次了 再講第二次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
5803.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
5805.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
他們的修正動議 現在的修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
5805.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
5807.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
更可笑了 由立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
5807.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
5809.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
各政黨團依其席次比例推薦之 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
5809.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
5811.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
其中每一政黨至少要一人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
5812.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
5814.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
學者專家就四到六人了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
5815.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
5817.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
你立法院要來參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
5817.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
5819.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
你還規定每個政黨要有一人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
5819.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
5821.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
就假設說未來立法院只有三個黨嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
5822.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
5824.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
立法院只要超過六個黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
5824.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
5826.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
這個母法就沒辦法運作了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
5826.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
5828.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
所以啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
5828 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
5830 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
黨派有黨派自己的立場跟政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
5830 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
5832 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
但是不要只為了眼前自己的政黨利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
5836.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
5838.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
去動了一個要行之久遠的法律體制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
5838.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
5840.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
立法院是有立法院的高度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
5842.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
5845.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
立法委員的權責不是為了單一黨派的私利 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
5845.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
5847.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
去善改這樣的法律條文的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
5847.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
5849.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
這樣的條文訂下去之後能運作嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
5851.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
5854.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
但是修正動議那個每一個政黨至少要一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
5854.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
5857.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
你專家學者就四到六人如何滿足這個條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
5857.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
5859.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
從法治面上來講根本不可行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
5859.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
5861.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
這樣粗糙的立法手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
5861.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
5863.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
把執法搬到母法來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
5863.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
5865.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
然後在這當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
5865.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
5867.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
又只抓一個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
5867.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
5869.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
要把手伸進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
5870.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
5872.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
這就是我可以看到這兩年多來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
5872.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
5874.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
民眾黨團的黨團的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
5874.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
5876.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
經常犯的錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
5878.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
5880.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
我再提一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
5880.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
5882.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
29條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
5882.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
5884.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
民眾黨所提的修正就是前項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
5884.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
5886.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
那個國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
5886.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
5888.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
請願意設置國家發展機器 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
5888.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
5890.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
由國家發展委員會為管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
5892.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
5894.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
國安法委員會的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
5894.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
5896.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
是由主委制對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
5896.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
5898.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
好 前項管理機關所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
5899.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
5903.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
這個國會應建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
5903.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
5905.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
就是你國安會內部要建立一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
5905.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
5907.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
5907.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
5911.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
我的理解你們是屬於行政的管理的機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
5912.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
5914.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
行政管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
5914.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
5916.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
那你說責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
5916.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
5918.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
到時候就只要就你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
5918.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
5920.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
這個國安會內部的責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
5921.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
5923.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
那你跟30條吃一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
5923.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
5925.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
我們還有一個管委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
5926.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
5928.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
國安法會內部的責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
5928.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
5930.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
就是你國安會內部要建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
5930.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
5932.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
就是你國安會內部要建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
5932.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
5934.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
就是你國安會內部要建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
5934.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
5936.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
就是你國安會內部要建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
5936.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
5938.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
就是你國安會內部要建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
5938.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
5940.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
就是你國安會內部要建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
5940.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
5942.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
就是你國安會內部要建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
5942.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
5944.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
就是你國安會內部要建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
5944.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
5946.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
就是你國安會內部要建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
5946.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
5948.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
就是你國安會內部要建立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
5930.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
5932.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
由管委會來做決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
5933.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
5933.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
5935.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
5937.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
不過按照民主黨的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
5937.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
5939.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
30條之一是由國安委會做決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
5939.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
5941.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
由這些包括部長級的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
5941.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
5943.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
包括學者專家等等政黨代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
5943.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
5945.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
來做決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
5946.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
5946.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
5949.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
5951.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
相關的這個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
5951.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
5953.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
反而是由由你行政管理的機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
5953.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
5955.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
所謂國花會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
5955.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
5957.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
來叫你們就責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
5957.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
5959.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
設立責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
5960.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
5962.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
到時候是要是扛誰扛這個責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
5962.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
5964.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
如果萬一有投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
5964.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
5966.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
有什麼這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
5966.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
5968.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
錯誤或者什麼疏失 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
5969.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
5971.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
這個決策是誰做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
5972.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
5974.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
我如果理解是管理委會做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
5975.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
5977.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
他就責是要就責誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
5977.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
5979.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
就責你們責任中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
5979.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
5981.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
責任中心是你當頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
5983.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
5985.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
你當頭然後這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
5985.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
5987.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
王廷安當 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
5987.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
5989.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
第二位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].start |
5988.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
5992.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
下面這些同仁他們是行政協調管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
5993.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].end |
5995.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].text |
就是來救你們的子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
5996.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].end |
5998.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].text |
你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
5997.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
5999.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
可以貿然答應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
5999.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
6001.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
我匪夷所思 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
6001.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
6003.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
所以我必須跟大家說明清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
6005.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
6007.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
我沒有什麼政治話術 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
6007.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
6011.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].text |
當就這個法律條文本身去做一些理性的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
6013.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
6015.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
一個國安行政管理機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
6015.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
6017.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
一個國安會內部行政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
6017.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
6019.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
要設立一個就責責任中心制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
6019.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
6021.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
然後三四條之一新設的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
6021.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
6023.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].text |
所謂管理委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
6023.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
6025.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
卻沒有相關責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
6026.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
6028.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
你不覺得整個制度是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
6028.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
6030.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
邏輯錯亂嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
6033.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
6035.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].text |
我必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
6037.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
6039.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].text |
這邊才正為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
6042.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
6044.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].text |
呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
6043.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
6045.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
這個招尾說不要政治 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
6045.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
6047.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
6047.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
6049.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
我看我聽了老半天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
6050.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
6052.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].text |
招尾還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
6052.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].end |
6054.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
就招尾啊還有我們嘉賓兄啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
6056.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
6058.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].text |
滿口政治了啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
6058.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
6060.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
6061.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
6063.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
剛剛因為你提到預算了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
6064.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].end |
6066.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
預算之所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
6066.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].end |
6068.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
我是30年公務員了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
6068.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
6070.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
當立委也十幾年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
6071.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
6073.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
那會產生這樣的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
6073.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
6075.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
大家都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
6075.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
6077.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
就是因為立法院通過的法例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
6078.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
6080.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
行政不變預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
6080.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
6082.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].text |
不服 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
6082.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
6084.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
6084.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
6086.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
全世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].start |
6086.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
6088.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].text |
中華民國第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].start |
6090.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
6092.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
發生這種問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
6091.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
6093.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
也就不得不 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].start |
6093.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
6095.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
發生這種不審預算了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
6096.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
6098.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
我也曾經在經濟委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
6098.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
6100.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
6099.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
6101.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
跟農業部講部長講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
6102.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
6104.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
這個立法院不審理上其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
6104.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
6106.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
我用原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
6106.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
6108.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
二美主都用詞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
6108.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
6110.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
是傻瓜傻瓜就傻瓜了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
6110.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
6112.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
立法院不審議上其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
6112.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].end |
6114.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
傻瓜了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].start |
6113.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].end |
6115.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].text |
這個因為按照預算法的規定 |
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54條的規定 |
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6118.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].end |
6120.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
各部會的預算執行率 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].start |
6120.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].end |
6122.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
都是90%以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].start |
6123.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
6125.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
所以他們這樣可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
6125.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
6127.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
支用這些預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
6127.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
6129.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
何況新興的預算新興計畫 |
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6129.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].end |
6131.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
立法院有主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].start |
6131.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].end |
6133.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].text |
依預算法 |
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6133.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].end |
6135.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].text |
54條給通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].start |
6135.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
6137.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
支用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].start |
6137.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].end |
6139.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
所以這個部分這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].start |
6139.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].end |
6141.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].text |
我們中華民國實施到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].start |
6141.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].end |
6143.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].start |
6143.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].end |
6145.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].text |
這個兩院之間 |
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6145.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
6147.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
當然的一個衝突產生的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].start |
6147.54 |
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6149.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
這個不在我們今天 |
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6149.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
6153.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].text |
審查法案的一個範圍之內 |
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6153.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].end |
6155.54 |
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我是回應邱釗維的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].start |
6155.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].end |
6159.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].text |
剛才的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].start |
6160.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].end |
6162.2 |
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那至於今天的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].start |
6163.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].end |
6165.19 |
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我從整個來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].start |
6166.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].end |
6168.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].text |
我基本上是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].start |
6169.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].end |
6171.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].text |
那我以為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
6170.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
6172.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
民眾黨之所以會提 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
6172.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
6174.75 |
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是利益良善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].start |
6174.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
6176.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
那條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].start |
6176.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
6178.69 |
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寫得好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].start |
6178.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
6180.69 |
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是不是有很周延 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
6180.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
6182.63 |
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可以討論 |
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6182 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].end |
6184 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].text |
但是不要完完全全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].start |
6184 |
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6188 |
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從政治的角度去評論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].start |
6188.45 |
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6190.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
6189.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
6191.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].start |
6191.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
6193.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].text |
我們都知道我們之前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].start |
6193.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].end |
6195.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].text |
這個日委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].start |
6195.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].end |
6197.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].text |
張七凱 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].start |
6196.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
6198.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].start |
6197.53 |
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6199.53 |
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他提了很多次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
6199.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
6201.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
國家發展基金的運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].start |
6202.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
6206.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
的一個這些一些所產生的問題 |
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6206.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
6208.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
尤其是臨日攻擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].start |
6208.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
6210.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
這樣的一個電影 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].start |
6210.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
6212.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
然後又跟這個文化創意產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].start |
6214.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].end |
6216.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
又沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].start |
6216.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
6218.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
然後又產生很多的這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].start |
6218.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
6220.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
他是基於這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
6222.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
6224.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
所以民眾黨可能就提了這樣的一個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
6226.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
6228.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
當然條文不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].start |
6228.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
6230.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
每一個人都不是忘能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
6231.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
6233.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
所提的條文未必那麼的周潛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].start |
6235.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
6237.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
大家可以討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].start |
6237.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
6239.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
但是盡量不要以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].start |
6239.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
6241.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
政治的角度去思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].start |
6242.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
6248.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
怎麼樣讓這個國家發展基金的運用能夠確實達到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].start |
6250.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
6256.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
產業創新的這些產業創新價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].start |
6256.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
6258.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
能夠促進經濟轉型及國家的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].start |
6260.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
6262.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
我們就朝這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].start |
6262.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
6264.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
去討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
6264.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
6266.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
如果確實這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
6266.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
6268.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
有不同的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
6268.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
6270.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
當然我們可以修正或者說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
6270.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
6272.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
可以不予採納 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
6272.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
6274.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
而不要我們這樣就 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
6274.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
6276.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
我們就維持過去我們經濟委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
6276.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
6278.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
6278.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
6280.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
基本的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
6280.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
6282.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
6282.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
6284.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
謝謝那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
6284.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
6286.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
政治乃眾人之事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
6286.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
6288.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
這個在國會當然是以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
6288.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
6290.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
眾人之事出發點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
6290.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
6292.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
以國家大政的出發點來考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
6292.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
6294.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
當然一定要從政治的角度來判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
6294.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
6296.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
來 中央議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
6299.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
6301.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
很感謝我們曾天的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
6301.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
6303.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
以及資深委員及資深公務員的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
6303.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
6305.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
我們可以來回顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
6305.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
6307.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
來看一下今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
6307.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
6309.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
今天討論的產狀條例部分條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
6309.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
6311.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
文修正草案大概就是兩塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].start |
6311.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
6313.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
一塊是第十條之三 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
6313.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
6315.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
就是陳淑薇委員談到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
6315.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
6317.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
醫療法人其他的各條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
6317.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
6319.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
都是民眾黨團的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
6319.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
6321.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
我把民眾黨團的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
6321.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
6323.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
版本簡單的幫大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
6323.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
6325.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
做一個重新的拆解後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
6325.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
6327.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
看一下其實目前 |
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6327.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
6329.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
剛剛所說的收支保管及 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
6329.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
6331.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
運用辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
6331.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
6333.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
他的法源依據就是目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
6333.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
6335.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
產狀條例的第29條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
6335.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
6337.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
還有第31條第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
6337.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
6339.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
31條第二項上面寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
6339.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
6341.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
你看可以看條例對照表第8頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
6341.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
6343.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
國家發展基金之管理及運用辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
6343.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
6345.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
由行政院定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
6345.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
6347.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
6346.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
6348.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
那這31條我們看一看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
6348.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
6350.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
民眾黨團們怎麼寫呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
6350.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
6352.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
他把第二項拿掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
6352.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
6354.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
就是國家發展基金之管理及運用辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
6354.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
6356.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
由行政院定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
6356.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
6358.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
他不要行政院定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
6358.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
6360.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
他直接定在30條之1到30條之8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
6360.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
6362.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
那請問他的30條寫什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
6363.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
6365.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
本來31條就寫說國家發展基金的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
6365.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
6367.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
除了國庫撥款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
6367.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
6369.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
還有作業剩餘的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
6369.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
6371.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
循環計 循環預算 程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
6371.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
6373.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
撥充基金就循環使用 |
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6373.09 |
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6375.09 |
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他的30條寫了什麼 |
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6375.09 |
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6377.09 |
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寫123456款 |
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6377.77 |
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6379.77 |
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這6款來自於哪裡 |
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6379.84 |
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6381.84 |
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這6款應該執行長就很熟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
6381.84 |
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6385.84 |
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這就是我們收支管理運用辦法裡面寫的嘛 |
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6386.26 |
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6388.26 |
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是不是 你去看一下我們收支管理運用辦法 |
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6389.09 |
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6391.09 |
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是不是就有這個內容 |
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6391.09 |
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6393.09 |
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所以他基本上就是把收支管理運用辦法裡面 |
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6393.09 |
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6395.09 |
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把他拉上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
6395.09 |
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6397.09 |
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那拉上來我們看一下 |
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他這裡面呢 |
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6398.59 |
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6400.59 |
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包含了這一條呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
6401.09 |
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6403.09 |
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我就告訴你這收支管理運用辦法當中的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
6405.63 |
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6407.63 |
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他一共18條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
6407.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
6409.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
我們的這個第3C條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
6409.63 |
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6411.63 |
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模仿的第3C條呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
6411.63 |
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6413.63 |
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就來自於收支管理運用辦法當中 |
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6413.63 |
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6415.63 |
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的第 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
6417.24 |
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6419.24 |
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第4條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
6418.72 |
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6420.72 |
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本基金的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
6420.72 |
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6422.72 |
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在收支管理運用辦法的第4條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
6422.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
6424.72 |
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他把它原封不動的抄到第31條來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
6425.93 |
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6427.93 |
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把31條的法源依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
6427.93 |
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6429.93 |
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由行政院定制拿掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
6429.93 |
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6431.93 |
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他就是不要行政院定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
6431.31 |
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6433.31 |
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他要由立法院定在模法當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
6433.31 |
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6435.31 |
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那至於30條之1到之8當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
6435.31 |
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6437.31 |
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我們來看看 |
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6437.31 |
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6439.31 |
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他中間還有一個30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
6440.68 |
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6442.68 |
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老實說30條呢本來只有5款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
6444.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
6446.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
只有第一項只有5款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
6446.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
6448.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
但是呢我們來看一下民眾黨團的版本呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
6448.85 |
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6450.85 |
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他多了第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
6450.94 |
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6452.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
第二項他有個負面表列 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
6452.94 |
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6454.94 |
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其他國家發展基金之運用不得用於 |
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6454.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
6456.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
下列情況不得用於企業虧損的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
6456.94 |
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6458.94 |
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紓困不得用於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
6458.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
6460.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
主要活動呢在中國大陸之企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
6460.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
6462.94 |
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這是很可以討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
6462.94 |
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6464.94 |
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大家應該聚焦在他的第30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
6464.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
6466.94 |
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為什麼我們目前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
6466.94 |
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6468.94 |
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這個產創條例當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
6468.94 |
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6470.94 |
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我們國發基金的用途有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
6470.94 |
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6472.94 |
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1 2 3 4 5款但是民眾黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
6472.94 |
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6474.94 |
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的版本他特別要加了3個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
6474.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
6476.94 |
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負面表列不得用於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
6476.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
6478.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
對於虧損企業的紓困 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
6478.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
6480.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
然後呢也不能投資於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
6480.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
6482.97 |
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過去三年內有違反環保 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
6482.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
6484.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
勞工食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
6484.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
6486.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
這個呢就是實施立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
6486.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
6488.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
看到現在社會關心什麼事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
6488.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
6490.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
反映民意把它定在我們30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
6490.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
6492.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
的第二項做為負面表列 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
6492.97 |
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6494.97 |
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這也是體察體現了立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
6494.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
6496.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
順應民意反映民意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
6496.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
6498.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
很重要的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
6499.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
6501.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
其中很重要一點我很佩服 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
6501.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
6503.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
他那個第二款他寫說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
6503.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
6505.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
投資主要生產活動位於中國大陸之企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
6505.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
6507.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
我覺得這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
6507.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
6509.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
可以大大的拿來討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
6509.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
6511.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
我們第30條是否我國發基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
6511.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
6513.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].text |
應該有這個負面表列的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
6513.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
6515.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].text |
這三種負面表列的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
6515.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
6517.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
一個是企業虧損 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
6516.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
6518.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
一個是在中國大陸的企業投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
6518.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
6520.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
第三個是有些違反環保 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
6520.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
6522.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
勞工跟食安的相關企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
6522.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
6524.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
這個就是我們今天可以討論的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
6524.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
6526.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
但是至於其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
6526.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
6528.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
我剛剛說了他29條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
6528.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
6530.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
把責任中心制是把原來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
6530.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
6532.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
辦法中的第三條的第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
6532.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
6534.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
放到我們29條的第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
6535.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
6537.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
然後他的第31條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
6537.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
6539.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
第31條就是原封不動的把第5條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
6539.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
6541.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
法管用辦法第5條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
6541.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
6543.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
直接搬過來取代 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
6543.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
6545.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
31條的第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
6546.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
6548.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
就這樣而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
6547.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
6549.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
老實說做這樣的法令版本的拆解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
6549.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
6551.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
大家知道這個立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
6551.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
6553.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
也沒什麼太複雜的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
6554.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
6556.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
就是不要行政院來定執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
6556.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
6558.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
由立法定在魔法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
6559.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
6561.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
然後其他的就照目前的執法內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
6561.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].end |
6563.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].text |
放進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
6563.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].end |
6565.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
最重要的核心關鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
6565.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
6567.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
就是學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
6567.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
6569.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
審查會的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
6569.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
6571.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
四到六名學者專家他的產生方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
6573.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
6575.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
說穿的就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
6574.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
6576.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
為了這樣的一個目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
6576.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
6578.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
大費周章的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].start |
6578.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
6580.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
我們從30條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
6580.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
6582.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
定到30條之八 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
6581.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
6583.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
全部都是從我們原來的保管運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].start |
6583.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
6585.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
收支運用辦法當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
6585.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
6587.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
的19個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].start |
6587.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
6589.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
挑選的放進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].start |
6589.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].end |
6591.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].text |
然後去改了一個29條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
6591.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
6593.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
去改了一個30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
6593.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
6595.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
去改了一個31條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
6595.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
6597.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
我倒覺得最有討論價值的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
6597.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
6599.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
就是30條的負面表列的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
6599.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
6601.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
想請主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
6601.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
6603.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
因為我們現在大抵討論 |
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6603.55 |
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6605.55 |
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主委就這30條民眾黨團的 |
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6605.55 |
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6607.55 |
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那三個負面表列項目 |
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6607.55 |
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6609.55 |
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您的看法怎麼樣 |
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6609.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
6611.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
主委回到人之後 |
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6611.55 |
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6613.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
我就要處理 |
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6612.26 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
請主委 |
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6615.03 |
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6617.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
6617.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
6619.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
關於這個30條剛剛講的那幾項 |
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6619.03 |
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6621.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
負面表列的部分 |
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6621.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
6623.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
我們在跟民眾黨團 |
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6623.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
6625.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
溝通的時候其實也在表達 |
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6625.03 |
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6627.03 |
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那個所謂企業 |
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6627.03 |
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6629.03 |
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虧損的這個 |
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6629.03 |
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6631.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
部分這個字也要斟酌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
6631.03 |
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6633.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
因為來找國發基金投資的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
6633.03 |
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6635.03 |
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幾乎都是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
6635.03 |
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6637.03 |
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一開始還沒有營利的部分 |
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6637.03 |
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6639.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
所以這個我們大概 |
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6639.03 |
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6641.03 |
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一直有在討論 |
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6641.03 |
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6643.03 |
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那我們是 |
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6643.03 |
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6645.03 |
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不太能夠同意把那個放進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
6645.03 |
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6647.03 |
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那至於說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
6647.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
6649.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
不投資中國大陸這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
6649.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
6651.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
其實在國發基金來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
6651.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
6653.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
這個本來就都是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
6653.03 |
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6655.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
很重要的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
6656.04 |
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6658.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
好這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
6657.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
6659.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
至於做一些處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
6660.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
6662.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
今天上午討論事項所列一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
6662.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
6664.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
產業創新條例部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
6664.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
6666.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].text |
條例修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
6665.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
6667.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
上會審查完畢我們另定其居審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
6667.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
6669.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
現在散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
6670.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
6672.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
下一場本會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
6672.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
6674.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
第二次全體委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
6674.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
6676.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
排定審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
6676.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
6678.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
公平法部分條例修正草案我們10點30分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
6679.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
6681.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
10點32分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
6681.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
6683.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
開始開會 |