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完整會議 @ 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第29次全體委員會議
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| 00:24:53,000 | 00:24:57,000 | 及所屬人員海洋委員會政務副主任委員 |
| 00:24:57,000 | 00:25:00,000 | 兼海巡署署長張忠農 |
| 00:25:00,000 | 00:25:02,000 | 大陸委員會副主任委員沈友宗 |
| 00:25:02,000 | 00:25:04,000 | 主席馬召集委員文君 |
| 00:25:04,000 | 00:25:07,000 | 報告時詳益宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定 |
| 00:25:07,000 | 00:25:08,000 | 二 |
| 00:25:08,000 | 00:25:10,000 | 邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告 |
| 00:25:10,000 | 00:25:14,000 | 我國近年針對南海主權與法律地位之國際宣傳 |
| 00:25:14,000 | 00:25:18,000 | 使基層效及如何應對周邊國家擴大主權 |
| 00:25:18,000 | 00:25:21,000 | 國際宣傳之具體反制策略 |
| 00:25:21,000 | 00:25:25,000 | 並請海洋委員會大陸委員會練習並備質詢 |
| 00:25:25,000 | 00:25:27,000 | 外交部部長林佳龍報告 |
| 00:25:27,000 | 00:25:29,000 | 委員陳俊宇等17人質詢 |
| 00:25:29,000 | 00:25:31,000 | 軍有外交部部長林佳龍 |
| 00:25:31,000 | 00:25:34,000 | 亞東太平洋司副師長劉坤豪 |
| 00:25:34,000 | 00:25:37,000 | 條約法律師師長李獻章及大陸委員會 |
| 00:25:37,000 | 00:25:40,000 | 副主任委員沈友宗等及其答覆 |
| 00:25:40,000 | 00:25:42,000 | 決定登記質詢再上委員 |
| 00:25:42,000 | 00:25:45,000 | 再上委員就已發言完畢報告及巡達結束 |
| 00:25:45,000 | 00:25:49,000 | 二委員黃仁、沈柏楊所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報 |
| 00:25:49,000 | 00:25:54,000 | 三委員所提書面及口頭質詢為其答覆或要求提供資訊 |
| 00:25:54,000 | 00:25:58,000 | 請相關機關與二周內以書面答覆本會全體委員並複製本會 |
| 00:25:58,000 | 00:26:01,000 | 委員令由指定期限者從其鎖定 |
| 00:26:01,000 | 00:26:02,000 | 宣讀完畢 |
| 00:26:04,000 | 00:26:07,000 | 我們請醫事人員宣讀報告事項 |
| 00:26:07,000 | 00:26:08,000 | 報告事項 |
| 00:26:08,000 | 00:26:13,000 | 邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告因應敵情與灰色地帶威脅升高 |
| 00:26:13,000 | 00:26:18,000 | 國軍如何強化官兵精神戰力建構及心理韌性作為並被質詢 |
| 00:26:18,000 | 00:26:19,000 | 宣讀完畢 |
| 00:26:21,000 | 00:26:24,000 | 我們現在介紹在場委員以及與會的官員 |
| 00:26:24,000 | 00:26:27,000 | 首先介紹陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:27,000 | 00:26:28,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:28,000 | 00:26:29,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:29,000 | 00:26:30,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:30,000 | 00:26:31,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:31,000 | 00:26:32,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:32,000 | 00:26:33,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:33,000 | 00:26:34,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:34,000 | 00:26:35,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:35,000 | 00:26:36,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:36,000 | 00:26:37,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:37,000 | 00:26:38,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:38,000 | 00:26:39,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:39,000 | 00:26:40,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:40,000 | 00:26:41,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:41,000 | 00:26:42,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:42,000 | 00:26:43,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:43,000 | 00:26:44,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:44,000 | 00:26:45,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:45,000 | 00:26:46,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:46,000 | 00:26:47,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:47,000 | 00:26:48,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:48,000 | 00:26:49,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:49,000 | 00:26:50,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:50,000 | 00:26:51,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:51,000 | 00:26:52,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:52,000 | 00:26:53,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:53,000 | 00:26:54,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:54,000 | 00:26:55,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:55,000 | 00:26:56,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:56,000 | 00:26:57,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:57,000 | 00:26:58,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:58,000 | 00:26:59,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:26:59,000 | 00:27:00,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:00,000 | 00:27:01,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:01,000 | 00:27:02,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:02,000 | 00:27:03,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:03,000 | 00:27:04,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:04,000 | 00:27:05,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:05,000 | 00:27:06,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:06,000 | 00:27:07,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:07,000 | 00:27:08,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:08,000 | 00:27:09,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:09,000 | 00:27:10,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:10,000 | 00:27:11,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:11,000 | 00:27:12,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:12,000 | 00:27:13,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:13,000 | 00:27:14,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:14,000 | 00:27:15,000 | 陳永康陳委員 |
| 00:27:15,000 | 00:27:18,000 | 戰略規劃司黃文琦黃司長 |
| 00:27:19,000 | 00:27:22,000 | 資源規劃司藍靜婷藍司長 |
| 00:27:23,000 | 00:27:26,000 | 法律事務司吳亦勝吳司長 |
| 00:27:27,000 | 00:27:30,000 | 整合評估司史奇良史副司長 |
| 00:27:32,000 | 00:27:35,000 | 國防採購市趙雅萍趙主任 |
| 00:27:36,000 | 00:27:40,000 | 人事參謀次長室王志輝王次長 |
| 00:27:41,000 | 00:27:44,000 | 情報參謀次長室謝日生謝次長 |
| 00:27:45,000 | 00:27:49,000 | 作戰及計畫參謀次長室侯嘉倫侯次長 |
| 00:27:50,000 | 00:27:54,000 | 後勤參謀次長室李鳳翔李次長 |
| 00:27:55,000 | 00:27:59,000 | 通信電子資訊參謀次長室謝俊山謝次長 |
| 00:28:00,000 | 00:28:03,000 | 訓練參謀次長室郭俊德郭次長 |
| 00:28:04,000 | 00:28:07,000 | 陸軍司令部陳建義參謀長 |
| 00:28:08,000 | 00:28:10,000 | 海軍司令部朱惠民參謀長 |
| 00:28:11,000 | 00:28:14,000 | 空軍司令部李慶然參謀長 |
| 00:28:15,000 | 00:28:18,000 | 國防部隊指揮部薛淵權薛參謀長 |
| 00:28:19,000 | 00:28:22,000 | 憲兵指揮部張純志張參謀長 |
| 00:28:23,000 | 00:28:26,000 | 陸軍後勤指揮部梁詠坤梁參謀長 |
| 00:28:27,000 | 00:28:31,000 | 資通電軍指揮部方士元方參謀長 |
| 00:28:32,000 | 00:28:36,000 | 軍事情報局楊湘以楊處長 |
| 00:28:37,000 | 00:28:41,000 | 電訊發展室林振維林執行長 |
| 00:28:41,000 | 00:28:43,000 | 國防大學李承中李教育長 |
| 00:28:44,000 | 00:28:48,000 | 國家中山科學研究院李世強李院長 |
| 00:28:51,000 | 00:28:56,000 | 本日會議邀請國防部長顧立雄報告 |
| 00:28:56,000 | 00:28:58,000 | 因應敵情與灰色地帶威脅升高 |
| 00:28:58,000 | 00:29:03,000 | 國軍如何強化官兵精神戰力建構及心理韌性作為 |
| 00:29:03,000 | 00:29:04,000 | 並被質詢 |
| 00:29:04,000 | 00:29:07,000 | 現在請顧部長上台報告 |
| 00:29:11,000 | 00:29:13,000 | 主席和各位委員先進 |
| 00:29:13,000 | 00:29:17,000 | 今天應邀至外交局官委員會史詩專案報告 |
| 00:29:17,000 | 00:29:23,000 | 臣蒙各位委員對國軍如何強化官兵精神戰力及心理韌性工作的關切 |
| 00:29:23,000 | 00:29:25,000 | 在此表達誠摯敬意 |
| 00:29:25,000 | 00:29:32,000 | 面對中共持續應用灰色地帶襲擾、認知作戰、錯假訊息及拉攏、滲透等手段 |
| 00:29:32,000 | 00:29:36,000 | 企圖影響官兵思想認知與部隊團結 |
| 00:29:36,000 | 00:29:42,000 | 精神戰力與心理韌性已成為國軍漸進備戰不可或缺的基石 |
| 00:29:42,000 | 00:29:46,000 | 國防部將秉持結合敵情、支持戰備原則 |
| 00:29:46,000 | 00:29:52,000 | 持續強化官兵抗敵意志、敵情認知與團隊士氣確保戰力 |
| 00:29:52,000 | 00:30:00,000 | 接續由本部政治安局局長史順宗揚就因應敵情與灰色地帶威脅升高 |
| 00:30:00,000 | 00:30:02,000 | 國軍在此表達誠摯敬意 |
| 00:30:02,000 | 00:30:06,000 | 因應敵情與灰色地帶威脅升高 |
| 00:30:06,000 | 00:30:10,000 | 國軍如何強化官兵精神戰力建構及心理韌性作為 |
| 00:30:10,000 | 00:30:12,000 | 向各位委員提出報告 |
| 00:30:12,000 | 00:30:14,000 | 敬請各位委員指導與支持 |
| 00:30:19,000 | 00:30:22,000 | 主席、各位委員先進 |
| 00:30:22,000 | 00:30:23,000 | 早安 |
| 00:30:23,000 | 00:30:25,000 | 繼續實施專案報告 |
| 00:30:25,000 | 00:30:26,000 | 依前言 |
| 00:30:26,000 | 00:30:34,000 | 近年來,中共持續運用灰色地帶襲擾、認知作戰、統戰滲透及網路攻擊等複合式手段 |
| 00:30:34,000 | 00:30:40,000 | 企圖在未達傳統武裝衝突門檻下影響國人認知、分化社會團結 |
| 00:30:40,000 | 00:30:46,000 | 削弱國人防衛意志,並藉由操弄輿論、製造對立及散播錯假訊息 |
| 00:30:46,000 | 00:30:49,000 | 對官兵心理與全民信心形成壓力 |
| 00:30:49,000 | 00:30:54,000 | 灰色地帶威脅已經成為中共對我密集攻擊的無消煙戰場 |
| 00:30:54,000 | 00:31:01,000 | 國軍在建軍備戰之外,亦需重視官兵精神戰力建構及心理韌性的培育 |
| 00:31:01,000 | 00:31:09,000 | 方能確保各級部隊在面對灰色地帶威脅及複合式挑戰時能夠堅守崗位、穩健運儲 |
| 00:31:09,000 | 00:31:12,000 | 以堅定抑制隧型防衛作戰任務 |
| 00:31:12,000 | 00:31:16,000 | 二,國軍建構精神戰力與心理韌性具體作法 |
| 00:31:16,000 | 00:31:23,000 | 本部依據憲法及國防二法,適應國內外環境變遷並結合建軍備戰需要 |
| 00:31:23,000 | 00:31:30,000 | 透過常備部隊訓練、入伍訓練、後備軍人教育、召集訓練及軍事學校教育 |
| 00:31:30,000 | 00:31:33,000 | 使官兵認清敵情威脅,建立敵我意識 |
| 00:31:33,000 | 00:31:39,000 | 砥礪忠貞、自解,鞏固軍人核心價值,堅定為誰而戰信念 |
| 00:31:39,000 | 00:31:42,000 | 相關作法栽爆如此 |
| 00:31:42,000 | 00:31:45,000 | 在部隊教育方面,依舉光麗教學 |
| 00:31:46,000 | 00:31:53,000 | 美洲式舉光原地電視教學已經成為國軍基層部隊精神教育最重要的管道 |
| 00:31:53,000 | 00:31:59,000 | 一般部隊每週施教一次,並自114年起改採模組化課表 |
| 00:31:59,000 | 00:32:04,000 | 以涵養國家責任榮譽軍人信念,認清區域安全情勢 |
| 00:32:04,000 | 00:32:10,000 | 與中共對台認知作戰,建立官兵基本素養三大面向為主軸 |
| 00:32:10,000 | 00:32:12,000 | 後執部隊精神戰力 |
| 00:32:12,000 | 00:32:17,000 | 二、保防教育,透過年度軍工技術專案巡迴宣教、保防教育講座 |
| 00:32:17,000 | 00:32:24,000 | 以及舉光原地電視教學等實績,邀請實際從事兩岸研析及案件調查的專家學者 |
| 00:32:24,000 | 00:32:32,000 | 剖析中共常見滲透手法,並持可運用部隊集會及離營綜合座談實績宣導 |
| 00:32:32,000 | 00:32:36,000 | 建立官兵全民國防安全共識與識別滲透風險的能力 |
| 00:32:37,000 | 00:32:44,000 | 三、心理素質與抗壓訓練,各軍種依據特性與任務落實基層部隊心理素質 |
| 00:32:44,000 | 00:32:49,000 | 合理冒險及戰場抗壓等相關課程,並結合競訓基地實績 |
| 00:32:49,000 | 00:32:54,000 | 藉由模擬仿真戰場景況及實戰化訓練,評估官兵作戰意志 |
| 00:32:54,000 | 00:32:57,000 | 精進心理心防鞏固作為 |
| 00:32:57,000 | 00:33:00,000 | 四、心理衛生教育,為提升官兵心理健康 |
| 00:33:00,000 | 00:33:04,000 | 美濟以情緒管理及壓力調適等課程為主題 |
| 00:33:04,000 | 00:33:10,000 | 十、兩個小時心理衛生教育,協助官兵在面對高壓或突發狀況時 |
| 00:33:10,000 | 00:33:14,000 | 能夠及早辨識自身狀態,降低情緒與壓力反應 |
| 00:33:14,000 | 00:33:19,000 | 主動運用團隊資源與尋求幫助,持續投入任務 |
| 00:33:19,000 | 00:33:25,000 | 在入伍教育部分,為增強入伍生從軍自信,並培養使命感與榮譽心 |
| 00:33:25,000 | 00:33:28,000 | 與入伍階段增訂國防通識教育課程 |
| 00:33:29,000 | 00:33:32,000 | 一百一十三年編印從軍出發教材 |
| 00:33:32,000 | 00:33:38,000 | 納入國軍戰史、軍人武德、中共認知作戰、軍中人權及保密防諜等課程 |
| 00:33:38,000 | 00:33:42,000 | 配合入伍訓練十四十六小時的教育課程 |
| 00:33:42,000 | 00:33:48,000 | 並建置國防通識教育網多元影音資料庫,提供各新訓單位授課使用 |
| 00:33:48,000 | 00:33:53,000 | 在教育召集部分,為使後備軍人理解當前國防政策與敵情威脅 |
| 00:33:53,000 | 00:33:56,000 | 強化精神戰力及愛國信念 |
| 00:33:56,000 | 00:33:59,000 | 一百一十三年編印動員及戰力教材 |
| 00:33:59,000 | 00:34:06,000 | 內容包含全民國防、軍法紀、軍人武德、中共認知作戰及愛國教育等單元 |
| 00:34:06,000 | 00:34:09,000 | 於招訓期間實施五個小時的課程 |
| 00:34:09,000 | 00:34:14,000 | 並結合多元影音資料庫建置輔助教學影片,提供招訓部隊運用 |
| 00:34:14,000 | 00:34:22,000 | 在學校教育部分,軍事校園基礎教育開設共同性一般課程 |
| 00:34:22,000 | 00:34:28,000 | 政治教育,繼中華民國憲法與立國精神、中華民國發展史 |
| 00:34:28,000 | 00:34:33,000 | 中國大陸問題研究、哲學概論及軍事倫理學等五個科目12學分 |
| 00:34:33,000 | 00:34:40,000 | 建立國軍幹部民主憲政素養,提升軍官學校學生敵情觀念與武德修為 |
| 00:34:40,000 | 00:34:42,000 | 培養知己知彼能力 |
| 00:34:42,000 | 00:34:47,000 | 三,策進作為,亦加強敵情與媒體試圖教育 |
| 00:34:47,000 | 00:34:53,000 | 考量,近年中共不斷加大對我軍事威懾、統戰及認知作戰力度 |
| 00:34:53,000 | 00:34:59,000 | 自115年起,除增加舉光元帝、敵情與媒體試圖教育時數 |
| 00:34:59,000 | 00:35:03,000 | 聚焦於中共政軍活動、統戰滲透、認知作戰等主題 |
| 00:35:03,000 | 00:35:07,000 | 並與中央廣播電台及民間專家學者合作 |
| 00:35:07,000 | 00:35:13,000 | 引導官兵從兩岸政治體制與政府治理的角度 |
| 00:35:13,000 | 00:35:16,000 | 認知威權與民主體制的差異 |
| 00:35:16,000 | 00:35:22,000 | 另以實際案例分析中共誘騙、脅迫官兵洩漏軍事機密等滲透樣態 |
| 00:35:22,000 | 00:35:27,000 | 防渡官兵因財務困難與不當借貸,遭到中共社局吸收 |
| 00:35:27,000 | 00:35:31,000 | 二,扎根基層幹部抗敵意志 |
| 00:35:31,000 | 00:35:36,000 | 軍校生是基層部隊中間幹部,契居了解國家安全威脅 |
| 00:35:36,000 | 00:35:40,000 | 故畢業生專案教育複名為反共外國教育 |
| 00:35:40,000 | 00:35:44,000 | 並以認同民主國家,堅定反共信念為主題 |
| 00:35:44,000 | 00:35:50,000 | 二,依敵情威脅、軍人武德、愛國信念及國防政策等主軸設計課程 |
| 00:35:50,000 | 00:35:55,000 | 邀請陸委會、國安會、法務部調查局、情治市等機關首長 |
| 00:35:55,000 | 00:36:01,000 | 以及中研院學者等,講述政府兩岸政策、中共對台軍事與認知作戰威脅 |
| 00:36:01,000 | 00:36:06,000 | 共諜滲透太陽及威權擴張等國家安全核心議題 |
| 00:36:06,000 | 00:36:09,000 | 以堅定基層幹部抗敵意志 |
| 00:36:09,000 | 00:36:15,000 | 三,依托戰訓斷駐精神戰力,每年於漢光演習、實兵操演之前 |
| 00:36:15,000 | 00:36:19,000 | 辦理精神戰力專案教育,期間三日密集課程 |
| 00:36:19,000 | 00:36:22,000 | 提振部隊精神士氣,凝聚團結相心 |
| 00:36:22,000 | 00:36:30,000 | 今年7月28日至30日實施,由總統、部長及總長分別進行精神講話與任務提示 |
| 00:36:30,000 | 00:36:37,000 | 並以戰爭形態、兩岸情勢改變,以及備戰訓練革新等考量 |
| 00:36:37,000 | 00:36:43,000 | 二,聚焦剖析敵情威脅,落實實戰化訓練及強化全社會防衛韌性 |
| 00:36:43,000 | 00:36:47,000 | 三大主軸進行授課,明確演訓方向與重點 |
| 00:36:47,000 | 00:36:55,000 | 同時紮根官兵思想防線與心理韌性,以達展現防衛決心及累積作戰經驗的目標 |
| 00:36:55,000 | 00:37:02,000 | 四,強化心理韌性訓練,為強化官兵遭遇挫折時,仍保有堅持適應的成長能力 |
| 00:37:02,000 | 00:37:13,000 | 五,維持民間學術單位,透過專業及客觀的立場,協助發展心理韌性教材及施之培訓,提升官兵面對壓力與逆境的適應能力 |
| 00:37:13,000 | 00:37:20,000 | 五,防護中共網路社群滲透,今年中共頻繁透由網路擴大滲透與接觸 |
| 00:37:20,000 | 00:37:31,000 | 兩部定班國軍人員使用社群媒體應行注意事項,及國軍各級部隊、官兵及眷屬各支保護安全指引宣導資料 |
| 00:37:31,000 | 00:37:39,000 | 三,教育官兵及眷屬使用社群媒體應提高警覺,並鼓勵主動檢舉中共滲透不法 |
| 00:37:39,000 | 00:37:50,000 | 六,擴增戰場抗壓科學化訓練能量,規劃在陸軍官校黃埔營區、金六節營區、成功嶺營區、砍角訓練場、大內營區等處 |
| 00:37:50,000 | 00:38:02,000 | 七,防護增建五座戰場抗壓館及五座合理冒險場,將於116年底全數竣工,可擴大國軍戰場抗壓及合理冒險訓練普及率 |
| 00:38:02,000 | 00:38:08,000 | 八,增加訓場效益,以科學訓練提升官兵戰場抗壓能力,結語 |
| 00:38:08,000 | 00:38:17,000 | 建此,精神教育與心理韌性,已成為後職持久作戰能力與全社會防衛韌性的重要戰略基礎 |
| 00:38:17,000 | 00:38:28,000 | 國防部將持續精進多元教育方式與內容,落實舉官的教學、國防通識教育、保防教育、戰場抗壓及心理素質訓練 |
| 00:38:28,000 | 00:38:38,000 | 也會和平時教學、戰備整備、演訓驗證與敵情教育等實機,建立官兵敵我意識、國家認同及共同防衛意志 |
| 00:38:38,000 | 00:38:42,000 | 以上報告,敬請各位委員先進支持與指教,謝謝 |
| 00:38:42,000 | 00:38:52,000 | 好,我們現在補充介紹陳俊宇陳委員,還有黃仁黃委員 |
| 00:38:52,000 | 00:39:00,000 | 我們請問在場委員對於上次會議醫事錄有遺漏或錯誤需要更正之處 |
| 00:39:00,000 | 00:39:02,000 | 好,沒有,我們醫事錄確定 |
| 00:39:02,000 | 00:39:06,000 | 現在開始尋答本會委員6加2分鐘 |
| 00:39:06,000 | 00:39:08,000 | 非本會委員5分鐘 |
| 00:39:08,000 | 00:39:10,000 | 10點30分截止發言登記 |
| 00:39:10,000 | 00:39:14,000 | 請於10點30分之前提出11點左右處理 |
| 00:39:14,000 | 00:39:18,000 | 現在請陳俊宇委員上台諮詢 |
| 00:39:22,000 | 00:39:26,000 | 好,謝謝昭偉,我們有請顧部長 |
| 00:39:26,000 | 00:39:28,000 | 請顧部長 |
| 00:39:30,000 | 00:39:32,000 | 部長早 |
| 00:39:32,000 | 00:39:34,000 | 陳委員早 |
| 00:39:34,000 | 00:39:38,000 | 今天是漢光42號實兵演習的第一天 |
| 00:39:38,000 | 00:39:42,000 | 那我們也希望說在這十天九夜的這個操演當中 |
| 00:39:42,000 | 00:39:46,000 | 我們所有的官兵都能夠非常順利平安的達成各項任務 |
| 00:39:46,000 | 00:39:52,000 | 那在這個過程當中,也能夠來找出需要補強的這個地方 |
| 00:39:52,000 | 00:39:54,000 | 提供我們後續進行檢討 |
| 00:39:54,000 | 00:39:58,000 | 讓我們整體的這個防衛戰力更加的堅實 |
| 00:39:58,000 | 00:40:02,000 | 對此我想,就這一次的這個漢光演習的部分 |
| 00:40:02,000 | 00:40:04,000 | 來跟部長您進行討論 |
| 00:40:04,000 | 00:40:08,000 | 近年來我們看到這個中共不斷的 |
| 00:40:08,000 | 00:40:12,000 | 不論是對於這個台灣的侵擾或是演訓 |
| 00:40:12,000 | 00:40:18,000 | 還是在台海周邊推行所謂的常態性的巡弋或是執法 |
| 00:40:18,000 | 00:40:24,000 | 透過這些揮帶行動想把台海這個內海化的這個企圖已經相當的明顯 |
| 00:40:24,000 | 00:40:28,000 | 中共也持續完備對台封鎖的能力 |
| 00:40:28,000 | 00:40:32,000 | 而在這個中國海上脅迫的這個升級之下 |
| 00:40:32,000 | 00:40:39,000 | 我們在面對潛在的這個司法隔離或是海上封鎖的這種情境 |
| 00:40:39,000 | 00:40:43,000 | 如何來維持重要的資源,運補路線的一個韌性 |
| 00:40:43,000 | 00:40:46,000 | 那會是一個關鍵 |
| 00:40:46,000 | 00:40:51,000 | 我們也了解到這次漢光演習在反封鎖的這個項目當中 |
| 00:40:51,000 | 00:40:55,000 | 會透過整合海軍和海巡的相關兵力 |
| 00:40:55,000 | 00:40:58,000 | 在西太平洋作為相關的演練 |
| 00:40:58,000 | 00:41:02,000 | 運用聯合勤監偵來協同應處的機制 |
| 00:41:02,000 | 00:41:06,000 | 執行海上執法護航的任務等等 |
| 00:41:06,000 | 00:41:09,000 | 那這部分想先就叫我們部長 |
| 00:41:09,000 | 00:41:15,000 | 這次透過反封鎖護航演練所需要驗證的重點及目標 |
| 00:41:15,000 | 00:41:19,000 | 以及我們國防部如何藉此進一步來強化 |
| 00:41:19,000 | 00:41:22,000 | 和我們海巡之間的一個應處能力 |
| 00:41:22,000 | 00:41:23,000 | 這是第一點 |
| 00:41:23,000 | 00:41:27,000 | 那另外我們要如何在這次的這個演練當中 |
| 00:41:27,000 | 00:41:30,000 | 納入可能與友盟國家之間 |
| 00:41:30,000 | 00:41:33,000 | 需要聯合協作反封鎖的這個做法 |
| 00:41:33,000 | 00:41:36,000 | 以貼近實際的這個情境 |
| 00:41:36,000 | 00:41:39,000 | 就這個部分是不是請部長說明一下 |
| 00:41:40,000 | 00:41:43,000 | 跟委員報告,我想演練的重點在這個 |
| 00:41:43,000 | 00:41:47,000 | 你提到的這個反封鎖的這個部分 |
| 00:41:47,000 | 00:41:50,000 | 我們會包括聯合勤監偵的共享 |
| 00:41:50,000 | 00:41:53,000 | 海上目標的監控還有通報 |
| 00:41:53,000 | 00:41:56,000 | 那當然也包括反封鎖的護航 |
| 00:41:56,000 | 00:41:59,000 | 那還有包括海上土化狀況的處置 |
| 00:41:59,000 | 00:42:01,000 | 以及居民整合協調機制 |
| 00:42:01,000 | 00:42:06,000 | 那主要就是模擬中共的海警公務船跟民兵船 |
| 00:42:06,000 | 00:42:10,000 | 等等這些互合式的洗澡的這些太陽 |
| 00:42:10,000 | 00:42:14,000 | 來驗證我們各級的指揮鏈路 |
| 00:42:14,000 | 00:42:17,000 | 跟勤之交換以及兵力運用的效能 |
| 00:42:17,000 | 00:42:20,000 | 我們也確保海上交通線跟重要的物資運不安全 |
| 00:42:20,000 | 00:42:25,000 | 那就這個部分我們會跟海巡來共同來進行 |
| 00:42:25,000 | 00:42:28,000 | 因為海巡依照我們這個資源協定 |
| 00:42:28,000 | 00:42:32,000 | 我們是要共同執行海域監控跟應變的處置 |
| 00:42:32,000 | 00:42:36,000 | 那所以海巡在執法任務的有資源需求的時候 |
| 00:42:36,000 | 00:42:40,000 | 我們國軍就會依規定來派遣士協兵力來測驗 |
| 00:42:40,000 | 00:42:45,000 | 那來進行一個平時協作暫時支援的關係這樣子 |
| 00:42:46,000 | 00:42:51,000 | 好 那延續這個中共常態性的這種巡弋問題 |
| 00:42:51,000 | 00:42:56,000 | 我想我們想要了解中共在這個台海周邊海域 |
| 00:42:56,000 | 00:43:02,000 | 除了這個海軍海警公務船的這種混合式的運用之外 |
| 00:43:02,000 | 00:43:06,000 | 他們還包括這個科研船在進行揮帶侵擾 |
| 00:43:06,000 | 00:43:08,000 | 同樣也越來越頻繁 |
| 00:43:08,000 | 00:43:11,000 | 那在上個月我們專報當中也有提到 |
| 00:43:11,000 | 00:43:15,000 | 他們藉由這個海洋科學研究的名義 |
| 00:43:15,000 | 00:43:19,000 | 到我們東部海域和東沙島附近的水域來活動 |
| 00:43:19,000 | 00:43:22,000 | 並且投放許多這種科學儀器 |
| 00:43:22,000 | 00:43:27,000 | 實際可能是在進行有軍事價值的水文資訊的收集 |
| 00:43:27,000 | 00:43:31,000 | 甚至是進行水下的監偵追蹤 |
| 00:43:31,000 | 00:43:35,000 | 也攸關他們潛艦作戰的一個環境的一個探視 |
| 00:43:35,000 | 00:43:37,000 | 這些侵擾活動 |
| 00:43:37,000 | 00:43:41,000 | 我們第一線會是由海巡來進行應對 |
| 00:43:41,000 | 00:43:43,000 | 那我想請教部長 |
| 00:43:43,000 | 00:43:45,000 | 現階段我們中共運用 |
| 00:43:45,000 | 00:43:51,000 | 現階段這個中共它運用可能是軍民糧用性質的這種船舶 |
| 00:43:51,000 | 00:43:54,000 | 在台灣東部海域來進行探測的活動 |
| 00:43:54,000 | 00:43:59,000 | 那對於我們的這種防衛部署是否會造成什麼樣的影響 |
| 00:43:59,000 | 00:44:02,000 | 那這些他們所謂的這種科研船 |
| 00:44:02,000 | 00:44:05,000 | 若是在我們的經濟海域來頻繁活動 |
| 00:44:05,000 | 00:44:09,000 | 那國防部如何來辨別他的意圖還有他威脅的一個樣態 |
| 00:44:09,000 | 00:44:13,000 | 那我們又會採取什麼樣的一個應處的作為 |
| 00:44:15,000 | 00:44:16,000 | 委員好 這是座議次長 |
| 00:44:16,000 | 00:44:18,000 | 針對剛剛委員所提問的 |
| 00:44:18,000 | 00:44:23,000 | 針對這個所謂海洋船在那邊放相關的感測器 |
| 00:44:23,000 | 00:44:26,000 | 那就是屬於一個戰場經營的部分 |
| 00:44:26,000 | 00:44:31,000 | 那我們也有在相關的對應也是要從事相關的戰場經營 |
| 00:44:31,000 | 00:44:36,000 | 那對於這些的這個相關的應處跟監偵我們都持續密註 |
| 00:44:36,000 | 00:44:40,000 | 然後會納入到我們的相關的處置的作為的想定裡面 |
| 00:44:40,000 | 00:44:43,000 | 那跟這個海巡署密切的協調聯繫 |
| 00:44:43,000 | 00:44:49,000 | 那取得相關的機制的運作的處置作為之後納入到研討 |
| 00:44:50,000 | 00:44:55,000 | 好 那個剛剛您提到那些有關這個 |
| 00:44:55,000 | 00:44:59,000 | 非軍方的這個海警船跟公務船舶的部分 |
| 00:44:59,000 | 00:45:04,000 | 那這個部分我們當然就先是由海巡來進行應處這樣子 |
| 00:45:04,000 | 00:45:09,000 | 那剛剛已經講過了如果有任何需要我們來支援的部分 |
| 00:45:09,000 | 00:45:12,000 | 我們會跟他們進行協作這樣子 |
| 00:45:12,000 | 00:45:14,000 | 國防部的部分就是協助海巡 |
| 00:45:14,000 | 00:45:20,000 | 對對對 因為我們在這個屬於非軍方的這個部分 |
| 00:45:20,000 | 00:45:25,000 | 那應對的部分不管是海警船或科研船等等 |
| 00:45:25,000 | 00:45:28,000 | 那是由海巡先來應對 |
| 00:45:28,000 | 00:45:32,000 | 但是有任何的這個突發狀況的時候我們會進行支援 |
| 00:45:32,000 | 00:45:36,000 | 好 我請我們國防部這個密切的掌握 |
| 00:45:36,000 | 00:45:39,000 | 因為他們有可能他們這是偽裝的 偽裝的名傳 |
| 00:45:39,000 | 00:45:44,000 | 我們都會利用我們的這些相關的這些情節 |
| 00:45:44,000 | 00:45:46,000 | 我們會來進行這個識別 |
| 00:45:47,000 | 00:45:51,000 | 好 那我們看到這個中共持續在我們台灣東南方 |
| 00:45:51,000 | 00:45:54,000 | 還有菲律賓以東的這個水域來進行訓練 |
| 00:45:54,000 | 00:45:57,000 | 包括他們的航母編隊進行訓練以外 |
| 00:45:57,000 | 00:46:02,000 | 還有兩棲攻擊艦配合執行聯合這個演訓 |
| 00:46:02,000 | 00:46:05,000 | 展現出他們具備能夠走出第一島鏈 |
| 00:46:05,000 | 00:46:08,000 | 進入到這個西太平洋的這種能力 |
| 00:46:08,000 | 00:46:11,000 | 那有武力投射的部分 |
| 00:46:11,000 | 00:46:17,000 | 因此我們也不排除對這個部分來進行這個關注 |
| 00:46:17,000 | 00:46:21,000 | 那因為他對於我們台灣東部及外離島的一個威脅 |
| 00:46:21,000 | 00:46:24,000 | 我們看到國防部在七月的時候 |
| 00:46:24,000 | 00:46:29,000 | 有一個聯合防禦操演的這個活動 |
| 00:46:29,000 | 00:46:34,000 | 有到我們綠島還有蘭嶼來實施登島防衛的作戰演訓 |
| 00:46:34,000 | 00:46:36,000 | 也引起一陣的討論 |
| 00:46:36,000 | 00:46:38,000 | 那這部分想請教部長 |
| 00:46:38,000 | 00:46:44,000 | 我們國防部評估東部這個外島在防衛作戰的角色是為何 |
| 00:46:44,000 | 00:46:48,000 | 那在這次實施演練的之後 |
| 00:46:48,000 | 00:46:51,000 | 是否會強化我們在東部地區的一個防衛能力 |
| 00:46:51,000 | 00:46:54,000 | 甚至可能增加相關的演訓頻率 |
| 00:46:54,000 | 00:46:56,000 | 有沒有可能 |
| 00:46:56,000 | 00:47:00,000 | 我想我們任何演訓都是掺著敵近威脅 |
| 00:47:00,000 | 00:47:05,000 | 按照各種可能的行動來設計這個想定的狀況 |
| 00:47:05,000 | 00:47:10,000 | 那所以我們有關外離島地區的這個部分 |
| 00:47:10,000 | 00:47:15,000 | 我們會來深化我們戰場的兵要的一個經驗 |
| 00:47:15,000 | 00:47:17,000 | 然後發揮我們 |
| 00:47:17,000 | 00:47:20,000 | 我們是防衛作戰我們有出場優勢 |
| 00:47:20,000 | 00:47:25,000 | 那至於我想詳細的細節的部分可能沒有辦法 |
| 00:47:25,000 | 00:47:29,000 | 不是對應式的這種防衛演訓 |
| 00:47:29,000 | 00:47:40,000 | 我們只能夠說我們會來根據我們的這個掺著敵的可能行動 |
| 00:47:40,000 | 00:47:42,000 | 我們會設計想定的狀況 |
| 00:47:42,000 | 00:47:45,000 | 然後來進行我們必要的一個演訓 |
| 00:47:45,000 | 00:47:48,000 | 然後來應處各種可能的狀況 |
| 00:47:48,000 | 00:47:50,000 | 也是全面性的演訓 |
| 00:47:50,000 | 00:47:52,000 | 對對對 |
| 00:47:52,000 | 00:47:54,000 | 所有對他可能的行動 |
| 00:47:54,000 | 00:47:57,000 | 我們都要進行想定然後進行狀況設計 |
| 00:47:57,000 | 00:48:01,000 | 那這部分再請我們國防部還有我們海巡 |
| 00:48:01,000 | 00:48:04,000 | 就相關的情勢發展能夠滾動的檢討 |
| 00:48:04,000 | 00:48:06,000 | 來強化我們跨部會 |
| 00:48:06,000 | 00:48:09,000 | 甚至跨國的這種協調還有應變能力 |
| 00:48:09,000 | 00:48:14,000 | 確保我們國家的一個安全還有我們主權的一個自主性 |
| 00:48:14,000 | 00:48:15,000 | 是 |
| 00:48:15,000 | 00:48:16,000 | 好謝謝部長 |
| 00:48:16,000 | 00:48:18,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:48:18,000 | 00:48:20,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:48:22,000 | 00:48:25,000 | 接下來請黃仁委員上台諮詢 |
| 00:48:33,000 | 00:48:34,000 | 有請部長 |
| 00:48:40,000 | 00:48:42,000 | 是黃委員好 |
| 00:48:42,000 | 00:48:43,000 | 早安 |
| 00:48:43,000 | 00:48:48,000 | 那看到今天的一個報告裡面提到了一個有關於 |
| 00:48:48,000 | 00:48:54,000 | 國軍如何強化部隊的一個戰場抗壓能力的一個作為 |
| 00:48:54,000 | 00:48:57,000 | 那當然這個 |
| 00:48:57,000 | 00:49:02,000 | 每一季時事的一個兩小時的心理衛生的一個教育 |
| 00:49:02,000 | 00:49:08,000 | 委託民間學術單位發展教材以及培訓的一個師資 |
| 00:49:08,000 | 00:49:14,000 | 增建武座戰場抗壓管及武座的合理冒險管 |
| 00:49:14,000 | 00:49:19,000 | 那冒險場但本席很好奇的是對於作為對於 |
| 00:49:19,000 | 00:49:24,000 | 這些作為對於部隊心理數值的一個提升有多大的一個幫助 |
| 00:49:24,000 | 00:49:27,000 | 有沒有科學化的一個評估 |
| 00:49:27,000 | 00:49:34,000 | 那就算是一個戰場抗壓管就本席所知道的是很多人在反應好像好玩 |
| 00:49:34,000 | 00:49:37,000 | 甚至戲稱為輸壓管 |
| 00:49:37,000 | 00:49:39,000 | 而不是抗壓管 |
| 00:49:39,000 | 00:49:41,000 | 這是一個實戰 |
| 00:49:41,000 | 00:49:45,000 | 這個其實是一個實戰感的一個落差 |
| 00:49:45,000 | 00:49:49,000 | 恐怕很難提升官兵的一個心理數值 |
| 00:49:49,000 | 00:49:55,000 | 那另外就是我們本席這個局國外的一個案例 |
| 00:49:55,000 | 00:50:00,000 | 大部分的一個標準化評估會使用不只是一份量表 |
| 00:50:00,000 | 00:50:06,000 | 而進行評估信念成效以內徑適應的一個能力 |
| 00:50:06,000 | 00:50:12,000 | 美軍的一個CDISC的一個量表 |
| 00:50:12,000 | 00:50:18,000 | 還有BRS量表和ZAT的一個評估量表 |
| 00:50:18,000 | 00:50:22,000 | 那就包含信念成效評估 |
| 00:50:22,000 | 00:50:25,000 | 遭過壓力後的一個恢復力 |
| 00:50:25,000 | 00:50:31,000 | 那自信心樂觀程度對抗挫折的一個能力 |
| 00:50:31,000 | 00:50:36,000 | 而且不只是針對特定有心理風險的官兵的評估 |
| 00:50:36,000 | 00:50:42,000 | 所以這是一個本來就是一個定期的一個信念的一個要素 |
| 00:50:42,000 | 00:50:44,000 | 這個評估的要素 |
| 00:50:44,000 | 00:50:51,000 | 那我們現在看到的我們本國國防的這樣的一個輸壓 |
| 00:50:51,000 | 00:50:56,000 | 的一個抗壓的這樣的一個實際的一個狀況 |
| 00:50:56,000 | 00:51:05,000 | 我想我們應該要比照剛剛我舉例的一個國外的這樣一個抗壓的一個信念的一個要件 |
| 00:51:05,000 | 00:51:07,000 | 部長你認為呢 |
| 00:51:07,000 | 00:51:11,000 | 是我們確實有在做訊號的一個評估 |
| 00:51:11,000 | 00:51:14,000 | 那詳細的部分是不是請戰長局說 |
| 00:51:14,000 | 00:51:16,000 | 委員好我是戰長局局長 |
| 00:51:16,000 | 00:51:17,000 | 跟您報告 |
| 00:51:17,000 | 00:51:21,000 | 有關於戰場抗壓的這些部分 |
| 00:51:21,000 | 00:51:26,000 | 我們現在目前各軍種都是依照他的單位的任務跟特性 |
| 00:51:26,000 | 00:51:31,000 | 會安排基層部隊在進基地等等的期間 |
| 00:51:31,000 | 00:51:36,000 | 會有進到戰場抗壓的合理冒險訓練等等的一個課程 |
| 00:51:36,000 | 00:51:38,000 | 現在要問的是 |
| 00:51:38,000 | 00:51:41,000 | 你們在做這樣的動作的時候 |
| 00:51:41,000 | 00:51:44,000 | 有沒有科學數據依據 |
| 00:51:44,000 | 00:51:46,000 | 現在我要講的是 |
| 00:51:46,000 | 00:51:48,000 | 如果我們現在 |
| 00:51:48,000 | 00:51:52,000 | 要仿照這個國外的這樣一個狀況 |
| 00:51:52,000 | 00:51:54,000 | 是不是有更好的 |
| 00:51:54,000 | 00:51:57,000 | 更好能夠讓我們的國軍官兵 |
| 00:51:57,000 | 00:52:01,000 | 在抗壓在輸壓的狀況裡面得到更好的 |
| 00:52:01,000 | 00:52:02,000 | 有沒有 |
| 00:52:02,000 | 00:52:04,000 | 是跟委員報告 |
| 00:52:04,000 | 00:52:06,000 | 第一個我們在訓前訓後 |
| 00:52:06,000 | 00:52:08,000 | 確實都有做問卷的調查 |
| 00:52:08,000 | 00:52:12,000 | 第二個在訓練過程當中學員要配戴一個 |
| 00:52:12,000 | 00:52:15,000 | 身體數據的監測用的手環 |
| 00:52:15,000 | 00:52:20,000 | 那麼這個手環對於都可以及時監測他的呼吸心跳體溫 |
| 00:52:20,000 | 00:52:24,000 | 那之後來分析跟比對他抗壓的承受程度 |
| 00:52:24,000 | 00:52:29,000 | 我們來據此來了解他官兵的一個身體的狀況 |
| 00:52:29,000 | 00:52:34,000 | 我們看一下我們委託民間協助單位發展教材及培訓的一個實質 |
| 00:52:34,000 | 00:52:39,000 | 由於台灣民間諮商心理協會的一個專業都偏向 |
| 00:52:39,000 | 00:52:41,000 | 平時生活的壓力 |
| 00:52:41,000 | 00:52:44,000 | 那情緒管理或創傷輔導 |
| 00:52:44,000 | 00:52:49,000 | 真正跟戰場極限的壓力同跑傷亡心理抗壓 |
| 00:52:49,000 | 00:52:51,000 | 有很大的一個落差 |
| 00:52:51,000 | 00:52:57,000 | 我想我們民間的這樣的一個諮商心理協會 |
| 00:52:57,000 | 00:53:01,000 | 我想他是在屬於一般的平時生活的壓力 |
| 00:53:01,000 | 00:53:03,000 | 或是情緒上的一個管理 |
| 00:53:03,000 | 00:53:12,000 | 那有沒有再有更好的教材能夠讓官兵更得到這樣的一個進步跟提升 |
| 00:53:12,000 | 00:53:13,000 | 有沒有 |
| 00:53:13,000 | 00:53:15,000 | 委員我想這樣子 |
| 00:53:15,000 | 00:53:23,000 | 剛剛局長有提到我們在這個問卷上面有區分前跟後都有來實施 |
| 00:53:23,000 | 00:53:27,000 | 那委員的重點應該是在於是說 |
| 00:53:27,000 | 00:53:33,000 | 戰場的極限壓力跟平時的生活壓力是會有不同 |
| 00:53:33,000 | 00:53:38,000 | 那麼我想就這個議題我想我下去之後 |
| 00:53:38,000 | 00:53:40,000 | 我們來了解一下 |
| 00:53:40,000 | 00:53:43,000 | 特別您提到的是也許美方 |
| 00:53:43,000 | 00:53:46,000 | 尤其美軍他們是怎麼來做的 |
| 00:53:46,000 | 00:53:49,000 | 那就這個部我們的訊前 |
| 00:53:49,000 | 00:53:52,000 | 還有訊中我們做的這些監測 |
| 00:53:52,000 | 00:53:54,000 | 還有這個訊後我們做的回顧 |
| 00:53:54,000 | 00:53:56,000 | 那這些是不是足夠 |
| 00:53:56,000 | 00:53:58,000 | 我想我們下去就 |
| 00:53:58,000 | 00:53:59,000 | 你們評估 |
| 00:53:59,000 | 00:54:02,000 | 安裝委員指導我們會來解釋 |
| 00:54:02,000 | 00:54:04,000 | 再一份報告給我好不好 |
| 00:54:04,000 | 00:54:06,000 | 我會請他們 |
| 00:54:06,000 | 00:54:08,000 | 我來跟他們討論一下 |
| 00:54:08,000 | 00:54:09,000 | 那這樣的好 |
| 00:54:09,000 | 00:54:10,000 | 這按照這個媒體的報導 |
| 00:54:10,000 | 00:54:14,000 | 今年的漢光演習會進行無人機的一個作戰驗證 |
| 00:54:14,000 | 00:54:18,000 | 本席過去執行時不只是提到 |
| 00:54:18,000 | 00:54:21,000 | 提到過部隊對於無人機信念的 |
| 00:54:21,000 | 00:54:24,000 | 不能只會只會飛 |
| 00:54:24,000 | 00:54:26,000 | 真正要學的戰術 |
| 00:54:26,000 | 00:54:28,000 | 要如何運用無人機偵查 |
| 00:54:28,000 | 00:54:32,000 | 以目標獲得誘導七敵 |
| 00:54:32,000 | 00:54:35,000 | 然後即時引導這個火力 |
| 00:54:35,000 | 00:54:40,000 | 戰損評估和持續監控敵軍的一個機動 |
| 00:54:40,000 | 00:54:44,000 | 這些才是無人機的一個戰場上的真正的價值 |
| 00:54:44,000 | 00:54:46,000 | 但就本席的觀察 |
| 00:54:46,000 | 00:54:48,000 | 無人機 |
| 00:54:48,000 | 00:54:51,000 | 目前無人機戰術信念的時數 |
| 00:54:51,000 | 00:54:54,000 | 也不如無人機操作信念的時數 |
| 00:54:54,000 | 00:54:56,000 | 那本席想了解 |
| 00:54:56,000 | 00:54:58,000 | 無人機的作戰驗證 |
| 00:54:58,000 | 00:55:01,000 | 實在驗證部隊的無人機的操作 |
| 00:55:01,000 | 00:55:04,000 | 操作、監控這個能力 |
| 00:55:04,000 | 00:55:07,000 | 還是驗證無人機的一個戰術 |
| 00:55:07,000 | 00:55:09,000 | 你會不會回答一下 |
| 00:55:09,000 | 00:55:10,000 | 委員好,我是主席市長 |
| 00:55:10,000 | 00:55:12,000 | 針對剛剛委員所問的 |
| 00:55:12,000 | 00:55:14,000 | 屬於這個作戰系統的串聯的部分 |
| 00:55:14,000 | 00:55:15,000 | 我們現在 |
| 00:55:15,000 | 00:55:18,000 | 因為我們現在既有的C2指管系統 |
| 00:55:18,000 | 00:55:20,000 | 然後還有我們的堅真型的無人機 |
| 00:55:20,000 | 00:55:22,000 | 跟攻擊型的無人機 |
| 00:55:22,000 | 00:55:25,000 | 在這次漢光演習以及我們平常的演練中 |
| 00:55:25,000 | 00:55:26,000 | 結合到我們指揮所 |
| 00:55:26,000 | 00:55:28,000 | 把它擊殺鏈還有禽獸網 |
| 00:55:28,000 | 00:55:29,000 | 把它串聯在一起 |
| 00:55:29,000 | 00:55:30,000 | 這是我們現在在做的 |
| 00:55:30,000 | 00:55:32,000 | 也就是剛剛委員所關切的 |
| 00:55:32,000 | 00:55:33,000 | 那平常在訓練的時候 |
| 00:55:33,000 | 00:55:37,000 | 除了您剛剛所說的是基礎訓練之外 |
| 00:55:37,000 | 00:55:39,000 | 那我們現在在參謀組織作業裡面 |
| 00:55:39,000 | 00:55:40,000 | 也強化這一塊 |
| 00:55:40,000 | 00:55:43,000 | 把這個相關的各的這個系統 |
| 00:55:43,000 | 00:55:44,000 | 把它串聯在一起 |
| 00:55:44,000 | 00:55:47,000 | 這是我們現在在密切的行為 |
| 00:55:47,000 | 00:55:52,000 | 漢光的重點在無人機部隊的戰術裡面 |
| 00:55:52,000 | 00:55:54,000 | 誰是重點在哪裡 |
| 00:55:54,000 | 00:55:58,000 | 在驗證的這個無人機的過程裡面 |
| 00:55:58,000 | 00:55:59,000 | 是哪一個 |
| 00:55:59,000 | 00:56:01,000 | 剛剛我講的嘛 |
| 00:56:01,000 | 00:56:05,000 | 是操作能力還是驗證在無人機的戰術 |
| 00:56:05,000 | 00:56:07,000 | 在漢光的重點是在哪裡 |
| 00:56:07,000 | 00:56:08,000 | 這兩方面都有 |
| 00:56:08,000 | 00:56:11,000 | 那我們除了驗證個人的操作之外 |
| 00:56:11,000 | 00:56:14,000 | 我們現在用我們的火力資源協調中心 |
| 00:56:14,000 | 00:56:17,000 | 在驗證我們這個系統的運作 |
| 00:56:17,000 | 00:56:20,000 | 好 那我想是應該 |
| 00:56:20,000 | 00:56:23,000 | 還是以驗證無人戰術 |
| 00:56:23,000 | 00:56:26,000 | 作為漢光演習的一個重點 |
| 00:56:26,000 | 00:56:29,000 | 那這個部分我還是要提示一下 |
| 00:56:29,000 | 00:56:33,000 | 那另外就是在根據二五戰爭的 |
| 00:56:33,000 | 00:56:34,000 | 一個實戰的一個經驗 |
| 00:56:34,000 | 00:56:38,000 | 無人機真正的威脅不是一架大型無人機 |
| 00:56:38,000 | 00:56:41,000 | 而是大量低成本小型無人機 |
| 00:56:41,000 | 00:56:44,000 | 這一次漢光有沒有演練 |
| 00:56:44,000 | 00:56:48,000 | 提供大量無人機包合的攻擊 |
| 00:56:48,000 | 00:56:51,000 | 另外就是我們各軍種各有各型的無人機 |
| 00:56:51,000 | 00:56:55,000 | 在這一次系列是否共同同一套 |
| 00:56:55,000 | 00:56:58,000 | 情資和作戰圖像還是各飛各的 |
| 00:56:58,000 | 00:57:00,000 | 那各自回傳 |
| 00:57:00,000 | 00:57:02,000 | 剛剛跟委員說明 |
| 00:57:02,000 | 00:57:05,000 | 我們現在就是利用我們的火學中心 |
| 00:57:05,000 | 00:57:07,000 | 還有我們現在的情報中心 |
| 00:57:07,000 | 00:57:10,000 | 把這些因為我們現在既有的 |
| 00:57:10,000 | 00:57:11,000 | 比如說TEC |
| 00:57:11,000 | 00:57:12,000 | 有統合嗎 |
| 00:57:12,000 | 00:57:13,000 | 對 有統合 |
| 00:57:13,000 | 00:57:15,000 | 有統合整合在一個共同作戰圖像裡面 |
| 00:57:15,000 | 00:57:17,000 | 來去做這個驗證 |
| 00:57:17,000 | 00:57:20,000 | 那這個包括剛剛你講的群峰的攻擊 |
| 00:57:20,000 | 00:57:23,000 | 我們都有設計在我們的特別狀況裡面 |
| 00:57:23,000 | 00:57:27,000 | 去做誘導各部隊來執行處置的作為 |
| 00:57:27,000 | 00:57:35,000 | 二戰爭就是作為我們國防國軍的一個借鏡 |
| 00:57:35,000 | 00:57:37,000 | 那最後一個問題是配合漢光演習 |
| 00:57:37,000 | 00:57:39,000 | 今年的一個城鎮任性演習 |
| 00:57:39,000 | 00:57:44,000 | 進行行動網路受阻情境的演練的時候 |
| 00:57:44,000 | 00:57:49,000 | 眾所周知無人機對於網路訊號的依賴限度 |
| 00:57:49,000 | 00:57:51,000 | 這個非常的高 |
| 00:57:51,000 | 00:57:57,000 | 那再來是是否有模擬無人機在斷線斷網的時候 |
| 00:57:57,000 | 00:57:59,000 | 來這樣的一個狀況 |
| 00:57:59,000 | 00:58:03,000 | 那如何因應這樣的一個處境 |
| 00:58:03,000 | 00:58:05,000 | 我們在平常訓練的時候 |
| 00:58:05,000 | 00:58:08,000 | 也有模擬就是個人操作的時候 |
| 00:58:08,000 | 00:58:11,000 | 他就有斷網的訓練緊急應急的處置 |
| 00:58:11,000 | 00:58:14,000 | 那這次剛好配合這個城鎮任性的時候 |
| 00:58:14,000 | 00:58:20,000 | 如果有斷網的情況就是要訓練他們臨機應處的狀況 |
| 00:58:20,000 | 00:58:24,000 | 那就是在平常有訓練的剛好是拿出來做驗證 |
| 00:58:24,000 | 00:58:26,000 | 因為這是一個剛開始 |
| 00:58:26,000 | 00:58:32,000 | 無人機在操控的時候我們都仰賴這種的一個網路 |
| 00:58:32,000 | 00:58:35,000 | 那當然我們現在就是束縛了就是說 |
| 00:58:35,000 | 00:58:39,000 | 萬一在飛行當中然後有斷線 |
| 00:58:39,000 | 00:58:42,000 | 資訊斷線或斷網的狀況之下 |
| 00:58:42,000 | 00:58:46,000 | 那如何因應變這個樣子的措施 |
| 00:58:46,000 | 00:58:49,000 | 現在就是國軍現在要朝這個方向 |
| 00:58:49,000 | 00:58:53,000 | 因為我們現在無人機各種太多的機型 |
| 00:58:53,000 | 00:58:57,000 | 但是在仰賴網路的情況之下 |
| 00:58:57,000 | 00:59:00,000 | 萬一碰到斷線斷網的時候 |
| 00:59:00,000 | 00:59:02,000 | 如何處置跟因應 |
| 00:59:02,000 | 00:59:05,000 | 這是一個現在很重要的議題 |
| 00:59:05,000 | 00:59:06,000 | 好不好 以上 |
| 00:59:06,000 | 00:59:08,000 | 是 謝謝委員長 |
| 00:59:08,000 | 00:59:11,000 | 我想這是我們應該要驗證的項目裡面 |
| 00:59:11,000 | 00:59:13,000 | 好 謝謝 |
| 00:59:14,000 | 00:59:16,000 | 好 謝謝 |
| 00:59:16,000 | 00:59:21,000 | 我們接下來請陳永康委員上台質詢 |
| 00:59:32,000 | 00:59:33,000 | 好 主席 |
| 00:59:33,000 | 00:59:36,000 | 有請部長還有政戰局市局長 |
| 00:59:36,000 | 00:59:38,000 | 請郭部長市局長 |
| 00:59:38,000 | 00:59:39,000 | 市局長 |
| 00:59:41,000 | 00:59:42,000 | 部長早安 |
| 00:59:42,000 | 00:59:44,000 | 是 陳委員長 |
| 00:59:44,000 | 00:59:47,000 | 根據今天市局長報告的內容 |
| 00:59:47,000 | 00:59:52,000 | 我們也看到了國軍在強化官兵的精神戰力 |
| 00:59:52,000 | 00:59:55,000 | 及以維持心理強健的結構上 |
| 00:59:55,000 | 00:59:56,000 | 也花了很多努力 |
| 00:59:56,000 | 00:59:59,000 | 我做出一些建言請做參考 |
| 00:59:59,000 | 01:00:03,000 | 這個部分僅供做參考 |
| 01:00:03,000 | 01:00:05,000 | 我特別要強調的就是說 |
| 01:00:05,000 | 01:00:09,000 | 我們不只是強調基層官兵的精神戰力 |
| 01:00:09,000 | 01:00:12,000 | 最主要就是我們各級部隊長 |
| 01:00:12,000 | 01:00:17,000 | 根據我們的作戰的指導跟戰務令 |
| 01:00:17,000 | 01:00:20,000 | 官員要承擔責任 |
| 01:00:20,000 | 01:00:25,000 | 部下才能承受這個抗壓的力 |
| 01:00:25,000 | 01:00:27,000 | 這個部分需要努力 |
| 01:00:27,000 | 01:00:31,000 | 因為我們現在常常強調都是在灰色地帶 |
| 01:00:31,000 | 01:00:32,000 | 中共的襲擾 |
| 01:00:32,000 | 01:00:34,000 | 其實它是兩方面 |
| 01:00:34,000 | 01:00:38,000 | 所以這個部分可能我們除了在心理戰 |
| 01:00:38,000 | 01:00:40,000 | 在舉光日強調以外 |
| 01:00:40,000 | 01:00:43,000 | 另外一個中共會誤引用一部分 |
| 01:00:43,000 | 01:00:45,000 | 就是說聯合國海洋法公約 |
| 01:00:45,000 | 01:00:47,000 | 那個叫灰色區塊 |
| 01:00:47,000 | 01:00:50,000 | 這裡面就有很多的定義是模擬兩何 |
| 01:00:50,000 | 01:00:53,000 | 怎麼可能把台海內海化 |
| 01:00:53,000 | 01:00:57,000 | 這就違反了1982年聯合國法揚法公約 |
| 01:00:57,000 | 01:00:59,000 | 所以這個部分的解釋 |
| 01:00:59,000 | 01:01:03,000 | 我的建議是在舉光日也強化一些 |
| 01:01:03,000 | 01:01:06,000 | 因為這裡面有很多將來我們談到的 |
| 01:01:06,000 | 01:01:08,000 | 都涉及到武裝衝突法 |
| 01:01:08,000 | 01:01:11,000 | 這個海洋法公約那些國際法的規範 |
| 01:01:11,000 | 01:01:16,000 | 這個地方我想請政戰局跟我們的法律師一起 |
| 01:01:16,000 | 01:01:20,000 | 不只是在我們的這個管院 |
| 01:01:20,000 | 01:01:22,000 | 或者是政戰學院 |
| 01:01:22,000 | 01:01:26,000 | 甚至這個三軍大學的子參教育裡面 |
| 01:01:26,000 | 01:01:29,000 | 有關聯合國海洋法公約裡面 |
| 01:01:29,000 | 01:01:32,000 | 我們的維護權利怎麼做 |
| 01:01:32,000 | 01:01:34,000 | 這個部分可以再做一點強調 |
| 01:01:34,000 | 01:01:36,000 | 部長是不是在這個部分給一些指導 |
| 01:01:36,000 | 01:01:39,000 | 是 我們現在已經在研擬那個 |
| 01:01:39,000 | 01:01:41,000 | 我們先從戰願開始 |
| 01:01:41,000 | 01:01:45,000 | 已經納入您剛剛講的這些武裝衝突法 |
| 01:01:45,000 | 01:01:47,000 | 跟這些相關的課程 |
| 01:01:47,000 | 01:01:51,000 | 納入我們的這些子參跟聖道教育裡面 |
| 01:01:51,000 | 01:01:55,000 | 因為國際情勢上很多的引述 |
| 01:01:55,000 | 01:01:59,000 | 通通把這個海洋法公約拿出來解釋 |
| 01:01:59,000 | 01:02:01,000 | 可是不同的條款 |
| 01:02:01,000 | 01:02:03,000 | 它對應不同的案例 |
| 01:02:03,000 | 01:02:05,000 | 有時候是有一個模糊區塊 |
| 01:02:05,000 | 01:02:08,000 | 那這個東西就要請我們這個法律的 |
| 01:02:08,000 | 01:02:11,000 | 專業的軍官來給一個指導 |
| 01:02:11,000 | 01:02:13,000 | 因為我舉例來講 |
| 01:02:13,000 | 01:02:17,000 | 在美國的各個重要作戰區 |
| 01:02:17,000 | 01:02:19,000 | 原來叫印太司令部 |
| 01:02:19,000 | 01:02:21,000 | 現在回復了太平洋司令部 |
| 01:02:21,000 | 01:02:23,000 | 它太平洋司令的旁邊 |
| 01:02:23,000 | 01:02:25,000 | 一定有兩個資深的顧問 |
| 01:02:25,000 | 01:02:27,000 | 一個是法律的顧問 |
| 01:02:27,000 | 01:02:29,000 | 一個是外交的顧問 |
| 01:02:29,000 | 01:02:33,000 | 所以它對所有的國際情勢的評估 |
| 01:02:33,000 | 01:02:37,000 | 以及在區域上可能產生小規模的 |
| 01:02:37,000 | 01:02:40,000 | 這種灰色區塊或灰色地帶的衝突 |
| 01:02:40,000 | 01:02:43,000 | 不管是執法性或者是海警 |
| 01:02:43,000 | 01:02:45,000 | 或是Cost Guard這種情況下 |
| 01:02:45,000 | 01:02:49,000 | 很多都要由資深的法律官給做建議 |
| 01:02:49,000 | 01:02:51,000 | 那我這部分 |
| 01:02:51,000 | 01:02:54,000 | 因為我們官兵在第一線承受的壓力 |
| 01:02:54,000 | 01:02:56,000 | 就是突然發生了一個狀況 |
| 01:02:56,000 | 01:03:00,000 | 並不是簡單的ROE一個版條 |
| 01:03:00,000 | 01:03:02,000 | 就是說它承擔什麼 |
| 01:03:02,000 | 01:03:04,000 | 所以我們的軍官要承擔責任 |
| 01:03:04,000 | 01:03:07,000 | 那麼幫部署背起責任 |
| 01:03:07,000 | 01:03:11,000 | 那部署就有抗壓力的承受度 |
| 01:03:11,000 | 01:03:13,000 | 這個要大家努力的 |
| 01:03:13,000 | 01:03:15,000 | 我們再看第二章 |
| 01:03:15,000 | 01:03:17,000 | 我們講現在的威懾嚇阻 |
| 01:03:17,000 | 01:03:18,000 | 嚇阻戰力 持續戰力 |
| 01:03:18,000 | 01:03:20,000 | 非對陣的用兵 反制手段 |
| 01:03:20,000 | 01:03:23,000 | 但是這個所謂的就是韌性 |
| 01:03:23,000 | 01:03:25,000 | 包括個人的心理 社會的環境 |
| 01:03:25,000 | 01:03:28,000 | 基礎設施 網路的韌性 |
| 01:03:28,000 | 01:03:30,000 | 我們的官兵在第一線不放假 |
| 01:03:30,000 | 01:03:33,000 | 經常備戰 他跟家人的聯繫 |
| 01:03:33,000 | 01:03:35,000 | 如果因為斷網斷訊之中 |
| 01:03:35,000 | 01:03:40,000 | 我們中間有個平台能夠通知他的家屬 |
| 01:03:40,000 | 01:03:44,000 | 你的弟兄在中間服役 安全沒問題 |
| 01:03:44,000 | 01:03:47,000 | 第二個 我們在第一線要讓官兵知道 |
| 01:03:47,000 | 01:03:49,000 | 如果因為保家衛國 |
| 01:03:49,000 | 01:03:51,000 | 你受了傷 |
| 01:03:51,000 | 01:03:53,000 | 那這個部分我們要保障 |
| 01:03:53,000 | 01:03:55,000 | 我們在經營院最好的照顧 |
| 01:03:55,000 | 01:03:58,000 | 這個是維護他的心理安全的感受 |
| 01:03:58,000 | 01:04:00,000 | 而並不是說每個人都覺得 |
| 01:04:00,000 | 01:04:03,000 | 我不怕 我在第一線 我為國犧牲 |
| 01:04:03,000 | 01:04:05,000 | 犧牲是偉大的情操 |
| 01:04:05,000 | 01:04:08,000 | 但是多數是傷患的照顧 |
| 01:04:08,000 | 01:04:11,000 | 這個後續的部分也請我們要強化 |
| 01:04:11,000 | 01:04:13,000 | 所以我們在舉官路的課程裡面 |
| 01:04:13,000 | 01:04:16,000 | 我們對官兵最底層的官兵 |
| 01:04:16,000 | 01:04:18,000 | 要做最佳的照顧 |
| 01:04:18,000 | 01:04:21,000 | 而不是只是測試他的抗壓能力 |
| 01:04:21,000 | 01:04:24,000 | 因為抗壓真正的是我們的各級長官 |
| 01:04:24,000 | 01:04:26,000 | 要承受責任的壓力 |
| 01:04:26,000 | 01:04:29,000 | 但部署你就去照顧他 |
| 01:04:29,000 | 01:04:32,000 | 意思就是說有任何的狀況下 |
| 01:04:32,000 | 01:04:34,000 | 我們國軍把最基層的官兵 |
| 01:04:34,000 | 01:04:36,000 | 做最好的照顧 |
| 01:04:36,000 | 01:04:38,000 | 所以在這種情況下 |
| 01:04:38,000 | 01:04:40,000 | 就是未得性是阻止敵方 |
| 01:04:40,000 | 01:04:42,000 | 但是韌性是遭受攻擊後 |
| 01:04:42,000 | 01:04:44,000 | 我要有存活 |
| 01:04:44,000 | 01:04:46,000 | 而也要有恢復原來的戰力 |
| 01:04:46,000 | 01:04:49,000 | 這個部分我們是不是請政壇局 |
| 01:04:49,000 | 01:04:52,000 | 局長您做一點強化的做法 |
| 01:04:52,000 | 01:04:53,000 | 郭部長 |
| 01:04:53,000 | 01:04:54,000 | 我跟委員報告一下 |
| 01:04:54,000 | 01:04:55,000 | 兩個部分就是說 |
| 01:04:55,000 | 01:04:57,000 | 您講的法制的建議的這個部分 |
| 01:04:57,000 | 01:05:00,000 | 已經都在我們的應變裡面 |
| 01:05:00,000 | 01:05:03,000 | 都會有這樣的一個席位的設置 |
| 01:05:03,000 | 01:05:05,000 | 這個已經在開始了 |
| 01:05:05,000 | 01:05:07,000 | 那有關那個戰傷 |
| 01:05:07,000 | 01:05:10,000 | 我想這個部分的能量確實我們要在 |
| 01:05:10,000 | 01:05:13,000 | 因為按照美方他們的 |
| 01:05:13,000 | 01:05:17,000 | 應該是說在第一的一個處置上面 |
| 01:05:17,000 | 01:05:22,000 | 我們就要有一個高階的戰傷救護處置 |
| 01:05:22,000 | 01:05:25,000 | 這樣的處置能力來可以避免後續 |
| 01:05:25,000 | 01:05:27,000 | 在後送的時候呢 |
| 01:05:27,000 | 01:05:28,000 | 他就來不及 |
| 01:05:28,000 | 01:05:32,000 | 所以在第一次剛開始的處置上面 |
| 01:05:32,000 | 01:05:35,000 | 我們也正在研議 |
| 01:05:35,000 | 01:05:38,000 | 軍醫局也正在跟各作戰單位 |
| 01:05:38,000 | 01:05:40,000 | 已經開始進行研討 |
| 01:05:40,000 | 01:05:44,000 | 那我們要加強我們的這個能量 |
| 01:05:44,000 | 01:05:47,000 | 就這個部分可能還需要一點時間 |
| 01:05:47,000 | 01:05:52,000 | 但我們會朝向強化我們的這個部隊的第一 |
| 01:05:52,000 | 01:05:55,000 | 一開始的這個戰傷救護的能量 |
| 01:05:55,000 | 01:05:56,000 | 這個部分來著手 |
| 01:05:56,000 | 01:05:57,000 | 所以有一點 |
| 01:05:57,000 | 01:05:59,000 | 我也請軍醫局您回答一下 |
| 01:05:59,000 | 01:06:03,000 | 就是說十年前那個八仙樂園的粉塵暴 |
| 01:06:03,000 | 01:06:05,000 | 那時候我還在國軍服務 |
| 01:06:05,000 | 01:06:09,000 | 我們499個重傷 |
| 01:06:09,000 | 01:06:11,000 | 全部是重等燒傷 |
| 01:06:11,000 | 01:06:14,000 | 但我們國軍的精英醫院收了66個 |
| 01:06:14,000 | 01:06:17,000 | 那個時候血漿不夠人工皮不夠 |
| 01:06:17,000 | 01:06:19,000 | 可是那個例子給我們一個就是說 |
| 01:06:19,000 | 01:06:21,000 | 如果戰爭發生了 |
| 01:06:21,000 | 01:06:24,000 | 這是一個過去的範例 |
| 01:06:24,000 | 01:06:26,000 | 就是說我們的血漿儲存 |
| 01:06:26,000 | 01:06:31,000 | 跟人工皮然後其他的各種的藥劑止痛 |
| 01:06:31,000 | 01:06:35,000 | 那這個部分我想我們在平成時期 |
| 01:06:35,000 | 01:06:38,000 | 希望軍醫的部分預做規劃 |
| 01:06:38,000 | 01:06:40,000 | 這是重要的一個戰略物資 |
| 01:06:40,000 | 01:06:41,000 | 並不是彈藥 |
| 01:06:41,000 | 01:06:44,000 | 這個部分如果能夠強化我們的官兵 |
| 01:06:44,000 | 01:06:45,000 | 有防衛的信心 |
| 01:06:45,000 | 01:06:48,000 | 他的這個心理戰的這個堅強性 |
| 01:06:48,000 | 01:06:51,000 | 因為即便是受傷有最好的照顧 |
| 01:06:51,000 | 01:06:54,000 | 這個局長您這邊是不是做點回應 |
| 01:06:54,000 | 01:06:55,000 | 是跟委員報告 |
| 01:06:55,000 | 01:06:57,000 | 那有關剛剛委員所提到的 |
| 01:06:57,000 | 01:07:00,000 | 不管是在燒傷的這些直皮的部分 |
| 01:07:00,000 | 01:07:02,000 | 我們在南北的部分都有件皮褲 |
| 01:07:02,000 | 01:07:05,000 | 那另外在我們現在已經在規劃 |
| 01:07:05,000 | 01:07:08,000 | 我們現在這個興建中的就是說 |
| 01:07:08,000 | 01:07:11,000 | 我們在各院的北中南都有捐血戰的設置 |
| 01:07:11,000 | 01:07:16,000 | 我們會跟這個血液基金會做個很好的溝通 |
| 01:07:16,000 | 01:07:19,000 | 我們希望說未來在這個國軍上面來講 |
| 01:07:19,000 | 01:07:22,000 | 集捐集用跟血液上面的這個調度上面 |
| 01:07:22,000 | 01:07:25,000 | 也都能夠有進一步的這個能力跟規劃 |
| 01:07:25,000 | 01:07:26,000 | 以上報告 |
| 01:07:26,000 | 01:07:27,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 01:07:27,000 | 01:07:31,000 | 這個強化國軍官兵的這個精神戰力 |
| 01:07:31,000 | 01:07:33,000 | 我們要大家共同努力 |
| 01:07:33,000 | 01:07:34,000 | 這個也謝謝部長指導 |
| 01:07:34,000 | 01:07:36,000 | 是謝謝委員的指導 |
| 01:07:39,000 | 01:07:41,000 | 謝謝陳永康委員 |
| 01:07:41,000 | 01:07:45,000 | 接下來請王定宇委員上台質詢 |
| 01:07:52,000 | 01:07:54,000 | 好謝謝主席麻煩部長 |
| 01:07:54,000 | 01:07:55,000 | 請郭部長 |
| 01:08:01,000 | 01:08:02,000 | 是 王委員 |
| 01:08:02,000 | 01:08:03,000 | 部長辛苦 |
| 01:08:03,000 | 01:08:05,000 | 我們是希望盡快完成專報 |
| 01:08:05,000 | 01:08:08,000 | 讓各位今天今天是漢光開始 |
| 01:08:08,000 | 01:08:10,000 | 各位理論上不應該在委員會 |
| 01:08:10,000 | 01:08:13,000 | 你們應該在山洞裡在各個的場域 |
| 01:08:13,000 | 01:08:16,000 | 那既然專報我們還是要問一些重要的題目 |
| 01:08:16,000 | 01:08:20,000 | 無人機跟公與房 |
| 01:08:20,000 | 01:08:23,000 | 我看這次有納入漢光42號的科目嗎 |
| 01:08:23,000 | 01:08:26,000 | 無人機的部分有是 |
| 01:08:26,000 | 01:08:27,000 | 有納入 |
| 01:08:27,000 | 01:08:28,000 | 我請教 |
| 01:08:28,000 | 01:08:30,000 | 我至少從書面資料看到的是 |
| 01:08:30,000 | 01:08:34,000 | 我們無人機現在軟煞的部分是由 |
| 01:08:34,000 | 01:08:36,000 | 這一個通知處負責 |
| 01:08:36,000 | 01:08:39,000 | 硬煞的話是戰訓處來負責對不對 |
| 01:08:39,000 | 01:08:42,000 | 還是說統合在一個單位 |
| 01:08:42,000 | 01:08:44,000 | 我們是由軍種來統一 |
| 01:08:44,000 | 01:08:46,000 | 統合但是在陸軍裡面的分工 |
| 01:08:46,000 | 01:08:49,000 | 軟硬煞是分別兩個處來統籌 |
| 01:08:49,000 | 01:08:53,000 | 整個作戰應用還是由戰訓部門 |
| 01:08:53,000 | 01:08:56,000 | 但是是基於軟硬煞的專業 |
| 01:08:56,000 | 01:08:58,000 | 在建案方面有區分 |
| 01:08:58,000 | 01:09:01,000 | 但是在整個的作業上面還是都會 |
| 01:09:01,000 | 01:09:03,000 | 合署來共同完成 |
| 01:09:03,000 | 01:09:06,000 | 我們都希望國軍的戰力更好更強 |
| 01:09:06,000 | 01:09:08,000 | 所以我提的意見不見得對 |
| 01:09:08,000 | 01:09:12,000 | 但是我希望現在戰場上的狀況變化太快 |
| 01:09:12,000 | 01:09:15,000 | 你光看烏克蘭光看伊朗那邊就知道 |
| 01:09:15,000 | 01:09:17,000 | 有時候最強的武器 |
| 01:09:17,000 | 01:09:19,000 | 過了幾個季以後變得沒有用了 |
| 01:09:19,000 | 01:09:23,000 | 所以目前我看起來我們國軍是 |
| 01:09:23,000 | 01:09:25,000 | 通知處負責軟煞 |
| 01:09:25,000 | 01:09:26,000 | 因為他有他的專業 |
| 01:09:26,000 | 01:09:28,000 | 戰訓處負責硬煞 |
| 01:09:28,000 | 01:09:30,000 | 可是事實上這個東西 |
| 01:09:30,000 | 01:09:32,000 | 是要整合在一起的 |
| 01:09:32,000 | 01:09:35,000 | 感知系統不可能分兩套 |
| 01:09:35,000 | 01:09:38,000 | 我看得見我查知之後 |
| 01:09:38,000 | 01:09:40,000 | 進入C2 command control |
| 01:09:40,000 | 01:09:42,000 | 我該用什麼方法來截殺他 |
| 01:09:42,000 | 01:09:44,000 | 平時可能不能隨便開槍開砲 |
| 01:09:44,000 | 01:09:45,000 | 我用軟煞 |
| 01:09:45,000 | 01:09:47,000 | 軟煞未必有用 |
| 01:09:47,000 | 01:09:50,000 | 介於軟硬煞之間最接近硬煞的方式是 |
| 01:09:50,000 | 01:09:52,000 | 雷射接下來是硬煞 |
| 01:09:52,000 | 01:09:55,000 | 不管用步槍用三零砲等等 |
| 01:09:55,000 | 01:09:58,000 | 所以它是一個整合的系統 |
| 01:09:58,000 | 01:10:01,000 | 所以我們看到我之前碰到福林 |
| 01:10:01,000 | 01:10:05,000 | 福林做過美國的陸軍的司令 |
| 01:10:05,000 | 01:10:07,000 | 太平洋的陸軍司令 |
| 01:10:07,000 | 01:10:09,000 | 福林有點出一個問題說 |
| 01:10:09,000 | 01:10:12,000 | 面對反制無人機 |
| 01:10:12,000 | 01:10:15,000 | 他看到台灣有點各自為政 |
| 01:10:15,000 | 01:10:16,000 | 他會有點擔心 |
| 01:10:16,000 | 01:10:18,000 | 那我們把這個問題再拉大一點看 |
| 01:10:18,000 | 01:10:22,000 | 我們現在不只在陸軍軟硬煞分兩個處 |
| 01:10:23,000 | 01:10:28,000 | 事實上我們現在非軍方的所謂防衛任性 |
| 01:10:28,000 | 01:10:32,000 | 台電、中油、高鐵、警政署、海巡 |
| 01:10:32,000 | 01:10:33,000 | 他們也在買 |
| 01:10:33,000 | 01:10:36,000 | 他們也在採購無人機的反制系統 |
| 01:10:36,000 | 01:10:38,000 | 那大家都有 |
| 01:10:38,000 | 01:10:41,000 | 互相干擾這是一個問題 |
| 01:10:41,000 | 01:10:43,000 | 再來有沒有納入統合的指管 |
| 01:10:43,000 | 01:10:45,000 | 我一個無人機進來 |
| 01:10:45,000 | 01:10:47,000 | 誰看見了 |
| 01:10:47,000 | 01:10:48,000 | 用誰的系統來阻殺 |
| 01:10:48,000 | 01:10:50,000 | 照理說是要整合 |
| 01:10:50,000 | 01:10:53,000 | 所以在美國有一個經驗是 |
| 01:10:53,000 | 01:10:56,000 | 美軍就成立了一個JITF |
| 01:10:56,000 | 01:11:02,000 | 那JITF是在美國的國防部2019年 |
| 01:11:02,000 | 01:11:04,000 | 先成立了一個聯合辦公室 |
| 01:11:04,000 | 01:11:08,000 | 後來長設設立一個聯合跨部會專案小組 |
| 01:11:08,000 | 01:11:11,000 | 以一個準將來當統籌的指揮官 |
| 01:11:11,000 | 01:11:16,000 | 來跨軍種、跨部會統合所有無人機的防禦 |
| 01:11:16,000 | 01:11:18,000 | 跟所有無人機相關的作業 |
| 01:11:18,000 | 01:11:20,000 | 我不知道就這個點 |
| 01:11:20,000 | 01:11:24,000 | 因為顧部長過去在國安會現在在國防部 |
| 01:11:24,000 | 01:11:26,000 | 你大概整個層面都看過了 |
| 01:11:26,000 | 01:11:28,000 | 國安會現在負責防衛任性 |
| 01:11:28,000 | 01:11:30,000 | 事實上很早就開始了 |
| 01:11:30,000 | 01:11:32,000 | 對於整合的部分 |
| 01:11:32,000 | 01:11:34,000 | 部長有什麼想法 |
| 01:11:34,000 | 01:11:36,000 | 報告委員這個跟委員做個報告 |
| 01:11:36,000 | 01:11:39,000 | 因為我們無人機跟反制無人機系統的這個部分 |
| 01:11:39,000 | 01:11:42,000 | 事實上我們起步是比較晚的 |
| 01:11:42,000 | 01:11:44,000 | 所以在初期的時候 |
| 01:11:44,000 | 01:11:48,000 | 我們基本上是一個邊試邊走的一個狀態 |
| 01:11:48,000 | 01:11:50,000 | 那從兩年前開始 |
| 01:11:50,000 | 01:11:52,000 | 也就是我們在推動上一版的 |
| 01:11:52,000 | 01:11:56,000 | 就是我們1.25兆特別預算的時候 |
| 01:11:56,000 | 01:11:59,000 | 在那個之前我們針對這個系統的部分 |
| 01:11:59,000 | 01:12:01,000 | 無人機跟反無人機系統的部分 |
| 01:12:01,000 | 01:12:02,000 | 做了三個切割 |
| 01:12:02,000 | 01:12:04,000 | 第一個就指管的部分 |
| 01:12:04,000 | 01:12:08,000 | 我們在這個部分開始導入人工智慧 |
| 01:12:08,000 | 01:12:11,000 | 那除了針對單一的就是那種小型的 |
| 01:12:11,000 | 01:12:12,000 | 單兵的 |
| 01:12:12,000 | 01:12:14,000 | 已經納入指管了沒有 |
| 01:12:14,000 | 01:12:16,000 | 然後第二個就是頻譜 |
| 01:12:16,000 | 01:12:18,000 | 已經納入指管了沒 |
| 01:12:18,000 | 01:12:20,000 | 那已經納入了才有所謂的AI加進去 |
| 01:12:20,000 | 01:12:23,000 | 所以我們現在反制無人機 |
| 01:12:23,000 | 01:12:25,000 | 跟指揮無人機 |
| 01:12:25,000 | 01:12:27,000 | 反制無人機已經納入指管了嗎 |
| 01:12:27,000 | 01:12:29,000 | 你們設備有了嗎 |
| 01:12:29,000 | 01:12:33,000 | 報告委員那個是我們現在先要把那個系統建立起來 |
| 01:12:33,000 | 01:12:35,000 | 那因為目前是沒有 |
| 01:12:35,000 | 01:12:38,000 | 所以我練習你現在還沒有那個系統 |
| 01:12:38,000 | 01:12:40,000 | AI不要被AI迷惑住 |
| 01:12:40,000 | 01:12:42,000 | AI當然很好很先進科技 |
| 01:12:42,000 | 01:12:46,000 | AI是先進科技加在我們指管系統這邊 |
| 01:12:46,000 | 01:12:48,000 | 那你現在指管系統還沒有 |
| 01:12:48,000 | 01:12:50,000 | 我今天只是提一個概念 |
| 01:12:50,000 | 01:12:52,000 | 就是說我希望部長去思考看看 |
| 01:12:52,000 | 01:12:54,000 | 因為連美軍都在摸索 |
| 01:12:54,000 | 01:12:56,000 | 我沒有說美軍一定對喔 |
| 01:12:56,000 | 01:12:58,000 | 美軍也在摸索 |
| 01:12:58,000 | 01:13:00,000 | 比方說我在擊殺的時候 |
| 01:13:00,000 | 01:13:02,000 | 怎麼樣用合理的武器去擊殺 |
| 01:13:02,000 | 01:13:05,000 | 避免用一個三四百萬美金的去打一個五萬美金的 |
| 01:13:05,000 | 01:13:07,000 | 那他們提出一個概念就是 |
| 01:13:07,000 | 01:13:10,000 | 整合一個單位這整合有三個目的 |
| 01:13:10,000 | 01:13:12,000 | 第一個把防衛的體系 |
| 01:13:12,000 | 01:13:14,000 | 反制無人機的體系 |
| 01:13:14,000 | 01:13:16,000 | 從感知系統雷達等等 |
| 01:13:16,000 | 01:13:20,000 | 到指管到動用什麼裝備去軟硬殺 |
| 01:13:20,000 | 01:13:22,000 | 要把它整合在一起 |
| 01:13:22,000 | 01:13:24,000 | 而且不是只整合軍方的 |
| 01:13:24,000 | 01:13:26,000 | 國土安全部什麼他都整合在一起 |
| 01:13:26,000 | 01:13:28,000 | 第二意義在哪裡呢 |
| 01:13:28,000 | 01:13:30,000 | 迭代更新的時候 |
| 01:13:30,000 | 01:13:32,000 | 透過這樣子的整合 |
| 01:13:32,000 | 01:13:34,000 | 可以用最快的速度 |
| 01:13:34,000 | 01:13:36,000 | 把最新的東西交到第一線的 |
| 01:13:36,000 | 01:13:38,000 | 守軍的身上 |
| 01:13:38,000 | 01:13:40,000 | 因為有時候你現在 |
| 01:13:40,000 | 01:13:42,000 | 採用東西要趕快迭代更新 |
| 01:13:42,000 | 01:13:45,000 | 所以按照原來分層負責分軍種 |
| 01:13:45,000 | 01:13:47,000 | 有時候要更新的速度會太慢 |
| 01:13:47,000 | 01:13:49,000 | 這是第二個目的 |
| 01:13:49,000 | 01:13:51,000 | 第三個目的也透過整合的方式 |
| 01:13:51,000 | 01:13:53,000 | 建構軍民通 |
| 01:13:53,000 | 01:13:55,000 | 可以鼓勵大家趕快投入 |
| 01:13:55,000 | 01:13:58,000 | 建立更強的反制或更強的毛語盾 |
| 01:13:58,000 | 01:14:00,000 | 那目前我們國軍 |
| 01:14:00,000 | 01:14:02,000 | 說這幾年 |
| 01:14:02,000 | 01:14:04,000 | 要切割三段 |
| 01:14:04,000 | 01:14:06,000 | 我們看到這幾年其實 |
| 01:14:06,000 | 01:14:08,000 | 有時候建置半天 |
| 01:14:08,000 | 01:14:10,000 | 有的現在標案結束 |
| 01:14:10,000 | 01:14:11,000 | 根本就不能用 |
| 01:14:11,000 | 01:14:12,000 | 就把它廢標了 |
| 01:14:12,000 | 01:14:14,000 | 那我們採購 |
| 01:14:14,000 | 01:14:16,000 | 我們不管軟硬殺又分兩個處 |
| 01:14:16,000 | 01:14:18,000 | 然後我們現在指管系統 |
| 01:14:18,000 | 01:14:19,000 | 也還沒建立 |
| 01:14:19,000 | 01:14:21,000 | 然後我們跟非軍方的 |
| 01:14:21,000 | 01:14:23,000 | 防衛體系也沒有做整合 |
| 01:14:23,000 | 01:14:25,000 | 這令人家擔心 |
| 01:14:25,000 | 01:14:27,000 | 我們在最前緣 |
| 01:14:27,000 | 01:14:29,000 | 我們不是在後端可以慢慢來 |
| 01:14:29,000 | 01:14:31,000 | 所以請教部長或司長 |
| 01:14:31,000 | 01:14:34,000 | 我們大概多久可以看到 |
| 01:14:34,000 | 01:14:37,000 | 我們把防禦無人機的體系的 |
| 01:14:37,000 | 01:14:39,000 | 系統可以整合 |
| 01:14:39,000 | 01:14:40,000 | 有指管 |
| 01:14:40,000 | 01:14:42,000 | 然後開始可以作業 |
| 01:14:42,000 | 01:14:43,000 | 然後我第二個問題是 |
| 01:14:43,000 | 01:14:45,000 | 如果你們現在手上都沒這類裝備 |
| 01:14:45,000 | 01:14:48,000 | 你把這科目納入漢光42號 |
| 01:14:48,000 | 01:14:49,000 | 面對群攻 |
| 01:14:49,000 | 01:14:50,000 | 或者面對無人機來協奏 |
| 01:14:50,000 | 01:14:52,000 | 你們是用什麼東西去 |
| 01:14:52,000 | 01:14:53,000 | 是用現有的雷達去看 |
| 01:14:53,000 | 01:14:55,000 | 然後現有的裝備去打嗎 |
| 01:14:55,000 | 01:14:57,000 | 報告委員我們目前 |
| 01:14:57,000 | 01:14:59,000 | 當然是用我們現有的勤儉政系統 |
| 01:14:59,000 | 01:15:01,000 | 去掌握無人機 |
| 01:15:01,000 | 01:15:03,000 | 但是您剛剛問到說 |
| 01:15:03,000 | 01:15:05,000 | 我們具體的這些反無人機系統 |
| 01:15:05,000 | 01:15:07,000 | 比較大的規劃的部分 |
| 01:15:07,000 | 01:15:08,000 | 什麼時候實現 |
| 01:15:08,000 | 01:15:09,000 | 應該 |
| 01:15:09,000 | 01:15:11,000 | 如果我們幾個案子走得順利的話 |
| 01:15:11,000 | 01:15:13,000 | 應該明年委員就可以看到 |
| 01:15:13,000 | 01:15:15,000 | 我們幾個系統陸陸續續的 |
| 01:15:15,000 | 01:15:16,000 | 會浮上台 |
| 01:15:16,000 | 01:15:17,000 | 所以會納入指管 |
| 01:15:17,000 | 01:15:19,000 | 對那現在最重要的其實是 |
| 01:15:19,000 | 01:15:21,000 | 頻譜分割的問題 |
| 01:15:21,000 | 01:15:22,000 | 頻譜分割的這一段 |
| 01:15:22,000 | 01:15:25,000 | 事實上由連六這邊掌握 |
| 01:15:25,000 | 01:15:26,000 | 各單位跟自動電軍 |
| 01:15:26,000 | 01:15:28,000 | 去做先期規劃 |
| 01:15:28,000 | 01:15:29,000 | 因為這個部分 |
| 01:15:29,000 | 01:15:30,000 | 未來大量無人機 |
| 01:15:30,000 | 01:15:31,000 | 如果進來的話 |
| 01:15:31,000 | 01:15:32,000 | 頻譜管理的這個部分 |
| 01:15:32,000 | 01:15:34,000 | 沒有做好無人機進來 |
| 01:15:34,000 | 01:15:36,000 | 就會遭遇到很大的困難 |
| 01:15:36,000 | 01:15:37,000 | 所以這個部分 |
| 01:15:37,000 | 01:15:39,000 | 連六這邊他也做了一個 |
| 01:15:39,000 | 01:15:40,000 | 詳細的規劃 |
| 01:15:40,000 | 01:15:41,000 | 那如果委員有興趣的話 |
| 01:15:41,000 | 01:15:42,000 | 頻譜這個好像也不是 |
| 01:15:42,000 | 01:15:44,000 | 只有我們國防部可以做決定 |
| 01:15:44,000 | 01:15:45,000 | 那當然不是 |
| 01:15:45,000 | 01:15:47,000 | 這是統合三軍以及直屬單位 |
| 01:15:47,000 | 01:15:48,000 | 有關單位 |
| 01:15:48,000 | 01:15:49,000 | 還有非軍方的喔 |
| 01:15:49,000 | 01:15:51,000 | 都要嘛 |
| 01:15:51,000 | 01:15:53,000 | 我們國防部 |
| 01:15:53,000 | 01:15:54,000 | 國防部本身要先 |
| 01:15:54,000 | 01:15:56,000 | 先律定我們的部分的 |
| 01:15:56,000 | 01:15:58,000 | 要跟蘇發部要跟NCC |
| 01:15:58,000 | 01:15:59,000 | 那另外民用的部分 |
| 01:15:59,000 | 01:16:01,000 | 我們也會再跟 |
| 01:16:01,000 | 01:16:02,000 | 所以我部長問一個 |
| 01:16:02,000 | 01:16:03,000 | 大的政策方向 |
| 01:16:03,000 | 01:16:05,000 | 相關部會來進行協調 |
| 01:16:05,000 | 01:16:07,000 | 民用的或是講非軍的 |
| 01:16:07,000 | 01:16:08,000 | 防衛任性的 |
| 01:16:08,000 | 01:16:09,000 | 跟我們軍方的 |
| 01:16:09,000 | 01:16:10,000 | 將來會納入同一個 |
| 01:16:10,000 | 01:16:12,000 | 指管系統還是分治 |
| 01:16:12,000 | 01:16:14,000 | 我們現行還沒有將民用的 |
| 01:16:14,000 | 01:16:16,000 | 納入我們的相關的指管系統 |
| 01:16:16,000 | 01:16:18,000 | 那我們的現行的相關指管系統 |
| 01:16:18,000 | 01:16:20,000 | 正在進行當中 |
| 01:16:20,000 | 01:16:21,000 | 那如果沒有納入 |
| 01:16:21,000 | 01:16:23,000 | 包括剛剛 |
| 01:16:23,000 | 01:16:24,000 | 卓醫師有提到的 |
| 01:16:24,000 | 01:16:26,000 | 這些火學中心等等 |
| 01:16:26,000 | 01:16:27,000 | 火學中心是一個事情 |
| 01:16:27,000 | 01:16:29,000 | 我說沒有納入的話 |
| 01:16:29,000 | 01:16:30,000 | 它有它 |
| 01:16:30,000 | 01:16:32,000 | 他們非軍方的也在買 |
| 01:16:32,000 | 01:16:33,000 | 那個軟硬 |
| 01:16:33,000 | 01:16:34,000 | 他們也在買 |
| 01:16:34,000 | 01:16:35,000 | 仿製無人機的東西 |
| 01:16:35,000 | 01:16:36,000 | 軟砂等等 |
| 01:16:36,000 | 01:16:38,000 | 那如果沒有納入同一套指管 |
| 01:16:38,000 | 01:16:40,000 | 軍方的東西進來 |
| 01:16:40,000 | 01:16:42,000 | 最後總要一個統合 |
| 01:16:42,000 | 01:16:43,000 | 不然打到自己人 |
| 01:16:43,000 | 01:16:45,000 | 把自己人拉下來怎麼辦 |
| 01:16:45,000 | 01:16:47,000 | 所以最重要的納入指管 |
| 01:16:47,000 | 01:16:48,000 | 再來有關頻譜的部分 |
| 01:16:48,000 | 01:16:50,000 | NCC現在的運作 |
| 01:16:50,000 | 01:16:52,000 | 跟你們會不會是慢的那一段 |
| 01:16:52,000 | 01:16:54,000 | 就跟委員報告一下 |
| 01:16:54,000 | 01:16:55,000 | 第一個就是我們先針對 |
| 01:16:55,000 | 01:16:56,000 | 非軍方的CIA |
| 01:16:56,000 | 01:16:58,000 | 各關鍵基礎設施的 |
| 01:16:58,000 | 01:17:00,000 | 是由我們在負責整合 |
| 01:17:00,000 | 01:17:02,000 | 那在明年底前會完成整合 |
| 01:17:02,000 | 01:17:04,000 | 那它的大C2會是在 |
| 01:17:04,000 | 01:17:05,000 | 消防署 |
| 01:17:05,000 | 01:17:06,000 | 因為指管體系的問題 |
| 01:17:06,000 | 01:17:08,000 | 所以你整合整合防禦系統 |
| 01:17:08,000 | 01:17:09,000 | 是 |
| 01:17:09,000 | 01:17:11,000 | 然後會整合到一個C2的中心 |
| 01:17:11,000 | 01:17:12,000 | 對一個大C2裡面 |
| 01:17:12,000 | 01:17:14,000 | 那這個大C2整合完之後 |
| 01:17:14,000 | 01:17:16,000 | 後面看什麼時候 |
| 01:17:16,000 | 01:17:17,000 | 軍方同意去借借 |
| 01:17:17,000 | 01:17:18,000 | 這個中間的借面 |
| 01:17:18,000 | 01:17:19,000 | 我們是保持在那邊 |
| 01:17:19,000 | 01:17:21,000 | 但是什麼時候需要借借 |
| 01:17:21,000 | 01:17:23,000 | 要看整個戰備等級的狀況 |
| 01:17:23,000 | 01:17:24,000 | 再去借借 |
| 01:17:24,000 | 01:17:25,000 | 最後目標還是要借借 |
| 01:17:25,000 | 01:17:26,000 | 對 |
| 01:17:26,000 | 01:17:28,000 | 另外軍方現在本身的部分 |
| 01:17:28,000 | 01:17:29,000 | 我們已經把 |
| 01:17:29,000 | 01:17:31,000 | 中科院產製的所有 |
| 01:17:31,000 | 01:17:32,000 | Counter UIS的系統 |
| 01:17:32,000 | 01:17:35,000 | 能夠把訊息直接傳到TAC |
| 01:17:35,000 | 01:17:38,000 | 所以所有無人機來襲的訊息 |
| 01:17:38,000 | 01:17:40,000 | 是可以透過TAC來去看到的 |
| 01:17:40,000 | 01:17:42,000 | 這回到我剛才問的一個問題 |
| 01:17:42,000 | 01:17:43,000 | 我們現在關於42號 |
| 01:17:43,000 | 01:17:45,000 | 有無人機的攻防的演練的科目 |
| 01:17:45,000 | 01:17:47,000 | 所以你們現在目獲的是 |
| 01:17:47,000 | 01:17:50,000 | 或者是用中科院的既有裝備 |
| 01:17:50,000 | 01:17:52,000 | 去查知傳到TAC系統裡面 |
| 01:17:52,000 | 01:17:53,000 | 是 |
| 01:17:54,000 | 01:17:56,000 | TAC當然它的 |
| 01:17:56,000 | 01:17:58,000 | 勤儉系統當然不是只有無人機 |
| 01:17:58,000 | 01:18:04,000 | 但如何運用無人機先行目獲之後 |
| 01:18:04,000 | 01:18:06,000 | 然後再做識別之後 |
| 01:18:06,000 | 01:18:07,000 | 然後再做 |
| 01:18:07,000 | 01:18:09,000 | 這個會是在演練的範圍裡面 |
| 01:18:09,000 | 01:18:12,000 | 那我們現有的裝備能力充足嗎 |
| 01:18:14,000 | 01:18:16,000 | 你要講充足這件事情 |
| 01:18:16,000 | 01:18:18,000 | 就不能夠說我們現在充足 |
| 01:18:18,000 | 01:18:20,000 | 但是我們還是要進行演練 |
| 01:18:20,000 | 01:18:22,000 | 那我們當然要利用既有的 |
| 01:18:22,000 | 01:18:23,000 | 這些裝備 |
| 01:18:23,000 | 01:18:25,000 | 我們既有的已經有一些 |
| 01:18:25,000 | 01:18:28,000 | 那你們這次42號有群攻 |
| 01:18:28,000 | 01:18:30,000 | 封群的攻擊嗎 |
| 01:18:33,000 | 01:18:35,000 | 就是看我們就統裁部 |
| 01:18:35,000 | 01:18:36,000 | 他有設計的狀況 |
| 01:18:36,000 | 01:18:37,000 | 那有狀況我們 |
| 01:18:37,000 | 01:18:39,000 | 平常演練的時候也有把這個 |
| 01:18:39,000 | 01:18:42,000 | 國軍現在有能力應付封群攻擊嗎 |
| 01:18:42,000 | 01:18:45,000 | 就跟如同部長剛剛所說 |
| 01:18:45,000 | 01:18:47,000 | 我們就利用現有的裝備做好 |
| 01:18:47,000 | 01:18:48,000 | 對對你沒有回答問題 |
| 01:18:48,000 | 01:18:50,000 | 我說以國軍現有能力 |
| 01:18:50,000 | 01:18:52,000 | 有能力應付封群攻擊嗎 |
| 01:18:56,000 | 01:18:57,000 | 這不足的話 |
| 01:18:57,000 | 01:18:59,000 | 其實我們在這邊很多國防運算 |
| 01:18:59,000 | 01:19:00,000 | 一直延宕其實就導致 |
| 01:19:00,000 | 01:19:02,000 | 不足我沒有要怪你們 |
| 01:19:02,000 | 01:19:04,000 | 因為這次很多都是新的東西 |
| 01:19:04,000 | 01:19:06,000 | 昨天沒有發生的明天就發生的 |
| 01:19:06,000 | 01:19:08,000 | 我現在說以這次漢光市 |
| 01:19:08,000 | 01:19:09,000 | 12號有這個科目 |
| 01:19:09,000 | 01:19:10,000 | 我覺得是正確的 |
| 01:19:10,000 | 01:19:11,000 | 我是給正面肯定 |
| 01:19:11,000 | 01:19:14,000 | 因為你要根據敵方的情形來做研判 |
| 01:19:14,000 | 01:19:15,000 | 對方有這個能力 |
| 01:19:15,000 | 01:19:17,000 | 把他納入威脅是對的 |
| 01:19:17,000 | 01:19:19,000 | 或我們有能力處理封群攻擊嗎 |
| 01:19:20,000 | 01:19:23,000 | 我想如果公軍真的下一個 |
| 01:19:23,000 | 01:19:26,000 | 我不曉得是多飽和的一個攻擊模式 |
| 01:19:26,000 | 01:19:29,000 | 那我們黃衛軍現在當然就是利用我們 |
| 01:19:29,000 | 01:19:30,000 | 按照漢光演習 |
| 01:19:30,000 | 01:19:33,000 | 就是我們用現有的裝備來進行應對 |
| 01:19:33,000 | 01:19:34,000 | 那如果沒有辦法進行應對 |
| 01:19:34,000 | 01:19:37,000 | 我們會根據我們驗證所得到的 |
| 01:19:37,000 | 01:19:39,000 | 這些相關的資料跟參數 |
| 01:19:39,000 | 01:19:42,000 | 我們來進行後續的這個規劃 |
| 01:19:42,000 | 01:19:44,000 | 就這一塊我最後建議國防部 |
| 01:19:44,000 | 01:19:47,000 | 你們驗證完可能會有不足 |
| 01:19:47,000 | 01:19:49,000 | 或者需要補強的地方 |
| 01:19:49,000 | 01:19:50,000 | 那以往這都是軍方資料 |
| 01:19:50,000 | 01:19:52,000 | 作為明年漢光在操演 |
| 01:19:52,000 | 01:19:54,000 | 在2月份響電的時候再出來 |
| 01:19:54,000 | 01:19:57,000 | 我建議這一塊該機密就機密 |
| 01:19:57,000 | 01:20:00,000 | 適度的要讓國會參與了解 |
| 01:20:00,000 | 01:20:04,000 | 我到現在還堅信在我們的立法院 |
| 01:20:04,000 | 01:20:06,000 | 國防安全沒有黨派之分才對 |
| 01:20:06,000 | 01:20:09,000 | 如果那邊有個gap在那裡 |
| 01:20:09,000 | 01:20:13,000 | 你讓我們國軍弟兄就缺了這個東西 |
| 01:20:13,000 | 01:20:15,000 | 然後我在那邊說你這個有沒有能力啊 |
| 01:20:15,000 | 01:20:18,000 | 足不足我覺得就問題不在你們那邊了 |
| 01:20:18,000 | 01:20:21,000 | 所以如果你們今年的驗證結果 |
| 01:20:21,000 | 01:20:23,000 | 哪裡有不足的地方 |
| 01:20:23,000 | 01:20:27,000 | 如果不涉及機密該讓社會大眾納稅人知道 |
| 01:20:27,000 | 01:20:29,000 | 就該讓社會大眾知道 |
| 01:20:29,000 | 01:20:31,000 | 該讓國防委員會知道就讓我們知道 |
| 01:20:31,000 | 01:20:33,000 | 該保密就保用機密報告也可以 |
| 01:20:33,000 | 01:20:35,000 | 讓我們知道說不足在這裡 |
| 01:20:35,000 | 01:20:37,000 | 所以我要建置建置建置這個 |
| 01:20:37,000 | 01:20:39,000 | 所以有什麼什麼什麼預算 |
| 01:20:39,000 | 01:20:41,000 | 那這個時候就會讓所有事情 |
| 01:20:41,000 | 01:20:43,000 | 經由驗證得到一個合理結果 |
| 01:20:43,000 | 01:20:45,000 | 這個是我給國防部的建議 |
| 01:20:45,000 | 01:20:48,000 | 而不是說需求到底是從哪裡看來的 |
| 01:20:48,000 | 01:20:49,000 | 其實從這裡就應該看出來 |
| 01:20:49,000 | 01:20:53,000 | 那目前為止以這幾年我們看到國防部的預算 |
| 01:20:53,000 | 01:20:57,000 | 其實我不太認為我們現在去反制無人機的能力 |
| 01:20:57,000 | 01:20:59,000 | 是足夠的啦 |
| 01:20:59,000 | 01:21:00,000 | 我不認為現在是 |
| 01:21:00,000 | 01:21:03,000 | 我知道你們是盡力以現有裝備去處理 |
| 01:21:03,000 | 01:21:05,000 | 但是這個不足夠 |
| 01:21:05,000 | 01:21:07,000 | 其實會導致很多安全的威脅 |
| 01:21:07,000 | 01:21:09,000 | 這個是我們擔憂的 |
| 01:21:09,000 | 01:21:12,000 | 所以部長有沒有可能把驗證結果不足的部分 |
| 01:21:12,000 | 01:21:16,000 | 要轉換成國防預算採購裝備科研案等等 |
| 01:21:16,000 | 01:21:19,000 | 讓我們委員會可以了解或參與 |
| 01:21:19,000 | 01:21:24,000 | 我想演習就是找出那個問題 |
| 01:21:24,000 | 01:21:26,000 | 那有問 |
| 01:21:26,000 | 01:21:30,000 | 有找經由這個驗證得出問題之所在之後 |
| 01:21:30,000 | 01:21:35,000 | 那麼我們才能夠做好下一步的一個規劃 |
| 01:21:35,000 | 01:21:38,000 | 那委員如果願意了解 |
| 01:21:38,000 | 01:21:43,000 | 我想我們就再看有涉及機密或不涉及機密 |
| 01:21:43,000 | 01:21:45,000 | 我倒不是講我個人要了解 |
| 01:21:45,000 | 01:21:47,000 | 我的意思是說你們不足 |
| 01:21:47,000 | 01:21:50,000 | 你們不足最後可能要變成 |
| 01:21:50,000 | 01:21:51,000 | 我要補強什麼 |
| 01:21:51,000 | 01:21:53,000 | 它會變成國防預算的需求 |
| 01:21:53,000 | 01:21:55,000 | 那這一塊導致國防部可以主動 |
| 01:21:55,000 | 01:21:57,000 | 請看哪一位召委願意排除 |
| 01:21:57,000 | 01:21:58,000 | 召委願意排除 |
| 01:21:58,000 | 01:22:01,000 | 我們經過漢官四十二號驗證的結果 |
| 01:22:01,000 | 01:22:04,000 | 哪方面能力不足需要補強什麼 |
| 01:22:04,000 | 01:22:05,000 | 所以我們有什麼預算 |
| 01:22:05,000 | 01:22:06,000 | 拜託各位委員支持 |
| 01:22:06,000 | 01:22:08,000 | 大概簡單邏輯在這裡 |
| 01:22:08,000 | 01:22:10,000 | 那如果國防部認為需要的話 |
| 01:22:10,000 | 01:22:11,000 | 其實你們可以發動 |
| 01:22:11,000 | 01:22:15,000 | 讓委員會適度的了解軍方現在能力不足在哪裡 |
| 01:22:15,000 | 01:22:18,000 | 那當然我們的不足未必要讓威脅方知道 |
| 01:22:18,000 | 01:22:20,000 | 所以該機密就機密我可以接受 |
| 01:22:20,000 | 01:22:23,000 | 但是在預算的行程 |
| 01:22:23,000 | 01:22:26,000 | 達成共識也許這是一個方法 |
| 01:22:26,000 | 01:22:28,000 | 這讓部裡面做參考 |
| 01:22:28,000 | 01:22:29,000 | 謝謝部長 |
| 01:22:29,000 | 01:22:30,000 | 謝謝委員 |
| 01:22:32,000 | 01:22:33,000 | 謝謝 |
| 01:22:34,000 | 01:22:38,000 | 我們接下來請沈柏楊委員上台諮詢 |
| 01:22:51,000 | 01:22:53,000 | 謝謝主席有請部長謝謝 |
| 01:22:53,000 | 01:22:54,000 | 請郭部長 |
| 01:22:56,000 | 01:22:57,000 | 請 |
| 01:23:01,000 | 01:23:02,000 | 沈委員好 |
| 01:23:02,000 | 01:23:03,000 | 部長好 |
| 01:23:03,000 | 01:23:04,000 | 剛剛其實有提到 |
| 01:23:04,000 | 01:23:07,000 | 今天是漢光的第一天 |
| 01:23:07,000 | 01:23:08,000 | 所以這個 |
| 01:23:08,000 | 01:23:10,000 | 我是覺得今天我很快一點 |
| 01:23:10,000 | 01:23:13,000 | 因為我覺得漢光應該是對國防部來講 |
| 01:23:13,000 | 01:23:15,000 | 是非常重要的一個日子 |
| 01:23:15,000 | 01:23:18,000 | 今天這一個專報我想說就儘速的進行 |
| 01:23:18,000 | 01:23:21,000 | 第一個就是我想先問一下 |
| 01:23:21,000 | 01:23:24,000 | 因為第一個當然漢光的前夕 |
| 01:23:24,000 | 01:23:27,000 | 大概七月底的時候我們可以看到 |
| 01:23:27,000 | 01:23:32,000 | 這個中共他們的國防部有兩則新聞 |
| 01:23:32,000 | 01:23:34,000 | 一個就在講說 |
| 01:23:34,000 | 01:23:38,000 | 這一個國軍寧願賠錢也提前退伍 |
| 01:23:38,000 | 01:23:40,000 | 然後說全民防衛是無人賣命 |
| 01:23:40,000 | 01:23:42,000 | 另外一個就在講說 |
| 01:23:42,000 | 01:23:45,000 | 這個網路降速是製造戰爭焦慮 |
| 01:23:45,000 | 01:23:47,000 | 我們先不管他講的這些內容為何 |
| 01:23:47,000 | 01:23:50,000 | 很明顯的就是他在針對漢光 |
| 01:23:50,000 | 01:23:52,000 | 就是說今天這個漢光 |
| 01:23:52,000 | 01:23:54,000 | 這一個準備了以後 |
| 01:23:54,000 | 01:23:57,000 | 他們就要製造一些反面的消息 |
| 01:23:57,000 | 01:23:59,000 | 這些消息其實我覺得都會有 |
| 01:23:59,000 | 01:24:02,000 | 一個是動搖軍心就是第一則 |
| 01:24:02,000 | 01:24:05,000 | 第二個網路降速這個是他想動搖民心 |
| 01:24:05,000 | 01:24:08,000 | 台灣的媒體也把它報導出來了 |
| 01:24:08,000 | 01:24:11,000 | 所以我在想說就針對像這樣的事情 |
| 01:24:11,000 | 01:24:13,000 | 目前因為漢光今天是第一天 |
| 01:24:13,000 | 01:24:15,000 | 在這個第一天之前 |
| 01:24:15,000 | 01:24:16,000 | 國防部是怎麼去應對 |
| 01:24:16,000 | 01:24:18,000 | 像他們這樣的一個 |
| 01:24:18,000 | 01:24:20,000 | 他們這樣散播消息的方式 |
| 01:24:20,000 | 01:24:23,000 | 會長首先要說明這個 |
| 01:24:23,000 | 01:24:27,000 | 昨天他們就在我們漢光演習的前夕 |
| 01:24:27,000 | 01:24:29,000 | 實施了聯合戰備警訊 |
| 01:24:29,000 | 01:24:32,000 | 那我在這邊要說是 |
| 01:24:32,000 | 01:24:35,000 | 製造戰爭焦慮應該不是我們 |
| 01:24:35,000 | 01:24:39,000 | 那實施這樣子的一個聯合戰備警訊 |
| 01:24:39,000 | 01:24:45,000 | 然後另外有共建不斷的連續性的 |
| 01:24:45,000 | 01:24:49,000 | 不停的去圍繞著我們的台海周邊 |
| 01:24:49,000 | 01:24:53,000 | 現在甚至海景在我們的東邊海域 |
| 01:24:53,000 | 01:24:57,000 | 不斷的在力行慶行這種常態性的 |
| 01:24:57,000 | 01:25:02,000 | 應該常態性的這樣子的一個巡邏 |
| 01:25:02,000 | 01:25:05,000 | 跟一些相關的一些作為 |
| 01:25:05,000 | 01:25:09,000 | 我想這個事實上製造這樣的戰爭焦慮 |
| 01:25:09,000 | 01:25:14,000 | 應該來破壞區域和平穩定的狀態的是中國 |
| 01:25:14,000 | 01:25:18,000 | 那有關有在他們會做一些 |
| 01:25:18,000 | 01:25:20,000 | 像這樣子的一個認知作戰 |
| 01:25:20,000 | 01:25:24,000 | 那我們只是必須要一再的去說明就是說 |
| 01:25:24,000 | 01:25:28,000 | 我們持續強化我們的實戰化訓練 |
| 01:25:28,000 | 01:25:29,000 | 不退任戰力 |
| 01:25:29,000 | 01:25:32,000 | 然後我們的要驚使我們的後備動員 |
| 01:25:32,000 | 01:25:34,000 | 跟我們的全民防衛韌性 |
| 01:25:34,000 | 01:25:39,000 | 然後來呈現我們應該有的準備 |
| 01:25:39,000 | 01:25:43,000 | 形成嚇阻是我們現在最大的努力方向 |
| 01:25:43,000 | 01:25:45,000 | 那至於其他有一些像 |
| 01:25:45,000 | 01:25:48,000 | 比如說講說領域賠錢提前退伍等等的 |
| 01:25:48,000 | 01:25:52,000 | 我想我在上一次的報告裡面 |
| 01:25:52,000 | 01:25:55,000 | 還是我記得已經有說過了 |
| 01:25:55,000 | 01:25:59,000 | 我們總體來看就是整體的流營率是提升的 |
| 01:25:59,000 | 01:26:03,000 | 那整體的自願意的人數也是逐年增加 |
| 01:26:03,000 | 01:26:06,000 | 所以你不能夠說沒有提前退伍的 |
| 01:26:06,000 | 01:26:10,000 | 但是我們看了我國防部這邊看的是一個趨勢 |
| 01:26:10,000 | 01:26:12,000 | 也就是說整體的趨勢 |
| 01:26:12,000 | 01:26:16,000 | 這個不適合提前退伍的人數是下降的 |
| 01:26:16,000 | 01:26:19,000 | 從114年比較113年 |
| 01:26:19,000 | 01:26:22,000 | 那或者是今年比較去年 |
| 01:26:22,000 | 01:26:25,000 | 那自願意的人數也是較之前要增加的 |
| 01:26:25,000 | 01:26:29,000 | 所以流營的意願跟能力是有一個穩定成長的 |
| 01:26:29,000 | 01:26:35,000 | 我想這個是一個我們看到的一個事實 |
| 01:26:35,000 | 01:26:42,000 | 這個我想我們不會去讓我們的事實不去呈現 |
| 01:26:42,000 | 01:26:46,000 | 那至於網路降速的這個部分 |
| 01:26:46,000 | 01:26:52,000 | 我想國軍的漢光演習本來就是要在不同的情境響訂之下 |
| 01:26:52,000 | 01:26:58,000 | 去進行最嚴苛的一個狀況應處 |
| 01:26:58,000 | 01:27:01,000 | 我們一再強調就是說 |
| 01:27:01,000 | 01:27:04,000 | 如果在通訊這個部分就是強調PACE的觀念 |
| 01:27:04,000 | 01:27:07,000 | 就是說我們有主要替代的 |
| 01:27:07,000 | 01:27:10,000 | 然後有應變的 |
| 01:27:10,000 | 01:27:12,000 | 然後緊急的 |
| 01:27:12,000 | 01:27:19,000 | 那這種的概念本來就在我們的應該要演練的通訊的任性的範圍之內 |
| 01:27:19,000 | 01:27:23,000 | 那因為全民防衛任性的這個部分 |
| 01:27:23,000 | 01:27:27,000 | 有涉及到說要讓國內也知道 |
| 01:27:27,000 | 01:27:32,000 | 在這個重大災害或者是這個重大緊急狀況之下 |
| 01:27:32,000 | 01:27:34,000 | 會可能面臨的一個狀況 |
| 01:27:34,000 | 01:27:38,000 | 那我想這個目的是要讓民眾能夠警覺到 |
| 01:27:38,000 | 01:27:41,000 | 是有這個情形可能會發生 |
| 01:27:41,000 | 01:27:50,000 | 那我想這個要行動網路降速 |
| 01:27:50,000 | 01:27:52,000 | 然後要到達什麼樣的一個程度 |
| 01:27:52,000 | 01:27:54,000 | 要做什麼樣的規劃 |
| 01:27:54,000 | 01:27:56,000 | 這個就是由行政院這邊 |
| 01:27:56,000 | 01:27:59,000 | 然後來做跨部會的一個決定 |
| 01:27:59,000 | 01:28:03,000 | 然後廣部就是這邊來配合來做辦理這樣 |
| 01:28:03,000 | 01:28:04,000 | 謝謝部長 |
| 01:28:04,000 | 01:28:07,000 | 那我剛剛想說讓這個部長把這個講完整 |
| 01:28:07,000 | 01:28:09,000 | 就是因為第一個他是看光第一天 |
| 01:28:09,000 | 01:28:11,000 | 那對方就簡單來講 |
| 01:28:11,000 | 01:28:14,000 | 他就是想要製造這樣的一個 |
| 01:28:14,000 | 01:28:16,000 | 不管是軍心還是民心的動盪 |
| 01:28:16,000 | 01:28:18,000 | 所以我覺得我們在第一天 |
| 01:28:18,000 | 01:28:20,000 | 就是甚至在前一天的時候 |
| 01:28:20,000 | 01:28:22,000 | 我們就予以這樣的一個回擊 |
| 01:28:22,000 | 01:28:24,000 | 我認為這樣是正確的做法 |
| 01:28:24,000 | 01:28:26,000 | 那他當然他一定都會先提一些 |
| 01:28:26,000 | 01:28:27,000 | 比如說第二則 |
| 01:28:27,000 | 01:28:29,000 | 他說有網路的降速 |
| 01:28:29,000 | 01:28:31,000 | 確實我們本來就是要配合 |
| 01:28:31,000 | 01:28:32,000 | 我們要知道說 |
| 01:28:32,000 | 01:28:35,000 | 如果今天降速的時候我們該怎麼去應處 |
| 01:28:35,000 | 01:28:37,000 | 但是後面那句話製造戰爭焦慮 |
| 01:28:37,000 | 01:28:39,000 | 剛剛部長其實講得很好 |
| 01:28:39,000 | 01:28:40,000 | 就是做賊喊抓賊 |
| 01:28:40,000 | 01:28:43,000 | 我們明明製造戰爭焦慮的是對方 |
| 01:28:43,000 | 01:28:45,000 | 根本就不是我們 |
| 01:28:45,000 | 01:28:48,000 | 那第一則就是賠錢提前退伍這件事情 |
| 01:28:48,000 | 01:28:49,000 | 過往的專報 |
| 01:28:49,000 | 01:28:52,000 | 其實這個我也質詢過滿多次的 |
| 01:28:52,000 | 01:28:53,000 | 就是說事實到底為何 |
| 01:28:53,000 | 01:28:55,000 | 其實是應該要被講清楚 |
| 01:28:55,000 | 01:28:58,000 | 對方是故意忽略了很多的基礎事實 |
| 01:28:58,000 | 01:29:00,000 | 去散佈這樣的一個訊息 |
| 01:29:00,000 | 01:29:03,000 | 那這個其實都是作戰的一部分 |
| 01:29:03,000 | 01:29:05,000 | 如果我們能夠予以這個快速的回擊的話 |
| 01:29:05,000 | 01:29:07,000 | 我覺得這也是對我來說 |
| 01:29:07,000 | 01:29:09,000 | 這也是演習的一部分 |
| 01:29:09,000 | 01:29:13,000 | 反認知作戰確實是我們現在一個重要的 |
| 01:29:13,000 | 01:29:15,000 | 也是國軍的任務之一 |
| 01:29:15,000 | 01:29:19,000 | 那這個我接下來想要問這一個 |
| 01:29:19,000 | 01:29:23,000 | 就是這個是紐時這一個最近的報導 |
| 01:29:23,000 | 01:29:26,000 | 這個報導就是說這個台人港人 |
| 01:29:26,000 | 01:29:30,000 | 跟這個五眼聯盟有被獨立的標籤列館 |
| 01:29:30,000 | 01:29:32,000 | 這個內容其實我覺得看起來 |
| 01:29:32,000 | 01:29:34,000 | 看起來是有點深入 |
| 01:29:34,000 | 01:29:37,000 | 那這為什麼會跟國防部有關係呢 |
| 01:29:37,000 | 01:29:40,000 | 是因為之前也有一個類似的這個新聞 |
| 01:29:40,000 | 01:29:42,000 | 我覺得跟這個搭配在一起看 |
| 01:29:42,000 | 01:29:46,000 | 看起來就是這個他到這一個 |
| 01:29:46,000 | 01:29:48,000 | 有人到中國去旅遊的時候 |
| 01:29:48,000 | 01:29:50,000 | 結果這一個中國去問 |
| 01:29:50,000 | 01:29:52,000 | 他父母的身分證字號 |
| 01:29:52,000 | 01:29:56,000 | 他這個父母其實是跟軍方有關係 |
| 01:29:56,000 | 01:29:58,000 | 然後所以對方還說 |
| 01:29:58,000 | 01:30:00,000 | 你把父母的身分證字號報錯了 |
| 01:30:00,000 | 01:30:03,000 | 那這一個如果跟紐時的這個報告 |
| 01:30:03,000 | 01:30:04,000 | 合在一起看 |
| 01:30:04,000 | 01:30:06,000 | 我們應該就會發現 |
| 01:30:06,000 | 01:30:08,000 | 他這個現在監控的範圍其實非常的大 |
| 01:30:08,000 | 01:30:12,000 | 那當然我們現在軍人如果要出國 |
| 01:30:12,000 | 01:30:13,000 | 不要說去中國 |
| 01:30:13,000 | 01:30:15,000 | 出國這件事情 |
| 01:30:15,000 | 01:30:18,000 | 在我們軍人相關的規範其實非常嚴格 |
| 01:30:18,000 | 01:30:20,000 | 但是現在有另外一種狀況 |
| 01:30:20,000 | 01:30:22,000 | 是軍人的眷屬 |
| 01:30:22,000 | 01:30:24,000 | 他的兄弟姐妹 |
| 01:30:24,000 | 01:30:25,000 | 他的子女 |
| 01:30:25,000 | 01:30:26,000 | 父母等等之類的 |
| 01:30:26,000 | 01:30:28,000 | 那他們現在去旅遊的時候 |
| 01:30:28,000 | 01:30:31,000 | 間接的也有可能遭遇到這些風險 |
| 01:30:31,000 | 01:30:33,000 | 所以目前來講 |
| 01:30:33,000 | 01:30:34,000 | 我知道這個陸委會 |
| 01:30:34,000 | 01:30:37,000 | 最主要是在主責整體國人 |
| 01:30:37,000 | 01:30:39,000 | 這一個去中國的這個風險 |
| 01:30:39,000 | 01:30:42,000 | 那如果說今天是跟軍人有關的人事 |
| 01:30:42,000 | 01:30:44,000 | 那他不是軍方的人 |
| 01:30:44,000 | 01:30:45,000 | 那目前來講 |
| 01:30:45,000 | 01:30:47,000 | 國防部有沒有什麼對應的措施 |
| 01:30:47,000 | 01:30:49,000 | 那這個部長簡單回答就好 |
| 01:30:49,000 | 01:30:51,000 | 因為我今天不太想超過時間 |
| 01:30:51,000 | 01:30:52,000 | 因為今天畢竟是漢光 |
| 01:30:52,000 | 01:30:55,000 | 我們是有一個國軍官兵建署反制 |
| 01:30:55,000 | 01:30:57,000 | 中共接觸的注意事項 |
| 01:30:57,000 | 01:31:00,000 | 那我們當然現役的他去世有受到管制 |
| 01:31:00,000 | 01:31:03,000 | 那眷屬的部分我們沒有辦法來做管制 |
| 01:31:03,000 | 01:31:06,000 | 但是我們會教育就是說 |
| 01:31:06,000 | 01:31:08,000 | 他們能夠提高警覺 |
| 01:31:08,000 | 01:31:11,000 | 那如果遭中共接觸的話 |
| 01:31:11,000 | 01:31:13,000 | 那就希望他們能夠 |
| 01:31:13,000 | 01:31:15,000 | 回國以後立即告知 |
| 01:31:15,000 | 01:31:19,000 | 來向我們所屬的保護部門來反應 |
| 01:31:19,000 | 01:31:21,000 | 我們現在能夠做到 |
| 01:31:21,000 | 01:31:23,000 | 好 謝謝侯協部長 |
| 01:31:23,000 | 01:31:25,000 | 後面這個等到漢光完以後再問 |
| 01:31:25,000 | 01:31:26,000 | 因為畢竟我們的演習 |
| 01:31:26,000 | 01:31:29,000 | 現在基本上有時候都基本上越來越多 |
| 01:31:29,000 | 01:31:30,000 | 那也是不得已的事情 |
| 01:31:30,000 | 01:31:32,000 | 因為中國的威脅擺在那邊 |
| 01:31:32,000 | 01:31:34,000 | 但是一些喘息的空間 |
| 01:31:34,000 | 01:31:36,000 | 一些我之前一直提到的 |
| 01:31:36,000 | 01:31:38,000 | 這個無法休假的一些補償辦法 |
| 01:31:38,000 | 01:31:40,000 | 這個等到我們整個演習結束以後 |
| 01:31:40,000 | 01:31:41,000 | 我們再來詢問 |
| 01:31:41,000 | 01:31:43,000 | 畢竟本來這應該是休會期 |
| 01:31:43,000 | 01:31:44,000 | 然後現在沒有休會 |
| 01:31:44,000 | 01:31:46,000 | 今天是漢光然後又有專報 |
| 01:31:46,000 | 01:31:48,000 | 希望我們今天趕快結束 |
| 01:31:48,000 | 01:31:50,000 | 讓國訓能夠專注在漢光演習 |
| 01:31:50,000 | 01:31:51,000 | 謝謝 |
| 01:31:51,000 | 01:31:52,000 | 謝謝委員 |
| 01:31:53,000 | 01:31:54,000 | 好 謝謝 |
| 01:31:54,000 | 01:31:58,000 | 接下來請王逸川委員上台諮詢 |
| 01:32:06,000 | 01:32:07,000 | 好 謝謝主席 |
| 01:32:07,000 | 01:32:08,000 | 請部長 |
| 01:32:08,000 | 01:32:09,000 | 請郭部長 |
| 01:32:14,000 | 01:32:15,000 | 好 部長 |
| 01:32:15,000 | 01:32:16,000 | 是 王宇 |
| 01:32:16,000 | 01:32:18,000 | 請看其他同仁要協助 |
| 01:32:18,000 | 01:32:20,000 | 第一個就是說我們的不管 |
| 01:32:20,000 | 01:32:22,000 | 就是說這個志願役 |
| 01:32:22,000 | 01:32:24,000 | 志願役的軍官 |
| 01:32:24,000 | 01:32:26,000 | 他現在在做志願役 |
| 01:32:26,000 | 01:32:28,000 | 那他總有家人 |
| 01:32:28,000 | 01:32:31,000 | 那家人剛剛沈柏楊委員提到就是說 |
| 01:32:31,000 | 01:32:33,000 | 對這些家人的這一些 |
| 01:32:33,000 | 01:32:35,000 | 也許對這些家人的滲透 |
| 01:32:35,000 | 01:32:37,000 | 我關心的題目是 |
| 01:32:37,000 | 01:32:40,000 | 對這些家人的照顧 |
| 01:32:40,000 | 01:32:43,000 | 我們國軍做了什麼樣的努力 |
| 01:32:43,000 | 01:32:45,000 | 國安部做什麼樣的努力 |
| 01:32:45,000 | 01:32:48,000 | 就是說他現在是軍中可能在做 |
| 01:32:48,000 | 01:32:51,000 | 做這個中校啊 做哨位 做中尉嘛 |
| 01:32:51,000 | 01:32:53,000 | 可是處理事情一堆啦 |
| 01:32:53,000 | 01:32:55,000 | 處理事情一堆 |
| 01:32:55,000 | 01:32:58,000 | 他可能有家裡的這個 |
| 01:32:58,000 | 01:33:00,000 | 比較夫妻之間的課題 |
| 01:33:00,000 | 01:33:01,000 | 小朋友的課題 |
| 01:33:01,000 | 01:33:02,000 | 父母生病的課題 |
| 01:33:02,000 | 01:33:06,000 | 他就每天為了這個都操心啊 |
| 01:33:06,000 | 01:33:09,000 | 不時就處理就打電話來啦 |
| 01:33:09,000 | 01:33:11,000 | 說什麼人又怎樣 什麼人又怎樣 |
| 01:33:11,000 | 01:33:15,000 | 就是說我們的國安部對這些志願役的軍官 |
| 01:33:15,000 | 01:33:17,000 | 或士官們 |
| 01:33:17,000 | 01:33:19,000 | 他們在這個服役的期間 |
| 01:33:19,000 | 01:33:21,000 | 對他們的家人 |
| 01:33:21,000 | 01:33:25,000 | 這一塊有沒有什麼特別的這個照顧 |
| 01:33:25,000 | 01:33:29,000 | 不然每天都為了家庭的事情 |
| 01:33:29,000 | 01:33:33,000 | 反而他也沒什麼心情 |
| 01:33:33,000 | 01:33:36,000 | 好好來做這個兵啊 你看 |
| 01:33:36,000 | 01:33:39,000 | 政戰局應該有一些 |
| 01:33:39,000 | 01:33:41,000 | 或者是 |
| 01:33:43,000 | 01:33:46,000 | 國安好 我是政戰局局長石順文 |
| 01:33:46,000 | 01:33:48,000 | 要跟您報告 就是有關於 |
| 01:33:48,000 | 01:33:50,000 | 包含現在眷屬的一些照 |
| 01:33:50,000 | 01:33:51,000 | 軍人家庭的一些照護 |
| 01:33:51,000 | 01:33:55,000 | 包含現在有關於零到六歲 |
| 01:33:55,000 | 01:33:59,000 | 然後或者是六歲到還沒有上小學之前 |
| 01:33:59,000 | 01:34:01,000 | 我們現在都有研擬一些 |
| 01:34:01,000 | 01:34:03,000 | 在教育上面的一些補助措施 |
| 01:34:03,000 | 01:34:06,000 | 那麼另外針對零到二歲 |
| 01:34:06,000 | 01:34:08,000 | 我們現在有一個就是非營利幼兒園 |
| 01:34:08,000 | 01:34:11,000 | 主要是針對學年前的一些 |
| 01:34:11,000 | 01:34:13,000 | 小孩的一個照顧 |
| 01:34:13,000 | 01:34:14,000 | 軍人家庭的照顧 |
| 01:34:14,000 | 01:34:17,000 | 那麼現在我們也在規劃 |
| 01:34:17,000 | 01:34:19,000 | 就是零到二歲幼兒的 |
| 01:34:19,000 | 01:34:20,000 | 不是這個啦 |
| 01:34:20,000 | 01:34:21,000 | 這個你們本隊就在做啦 |
| 01:34:21,000 | 01:34:22,000 | 我是說 |
| 01:34:22,000 | 01:34:26,000 | 他就去當這個志願役了嘛 |
| 01:34:26,000 | 01:34:30,000 | 那家裡頭總是會有一些大大小小的事情 |
| 01:34:30,000 | 01:34:33,000 | 常常也希望能夠請他回來處理啦 |
| 01:34:33,000 | 01:34:35,000 | 常常看到說 |
| 01:34:35,000 | 01:34:37,000 | 家裡的老人家長大了 |
| 01:34:37,000 | 01:34:39,000 | 家裡的小朋友還怎麼樣 |
| 01:34:39,000 | 01:34:42,000 | 家裡的兄弟又惹事了 |
| 01:34:42,000 | 01:34:44,000 | 這些我們對這些軍官們 |
| 01:34:44,000 | 01:34:46,000 | 這些軍事官們 |
| 01:34:46,000 | 01:34:48,000 | 他們在這個服役期間 |
| 01:34:48,000 | 01:34:51,000 | 如果過程中經常會遇到這樣的困擾 |
| 01:34:51,000 | 01:34:54,000 | 我們有沒有什麼樣的機制 |
| 01:34:54,000 | 01:34:55,000 | 能夠協助他們 |
| 01:34:55,000 | 01:34:57,000 | 不然他有時候不惜要親你 |
| 01:34:57,000 | 01:34:59,000 | 我們總是 |
| 01:34:59,000 | 01:35:01,000 | 我們家裡有事情 |
| 01:35:01,000 | 01:35:03,000 | 這個總是請教有一個規則 |
| 01:35:03,000 | 01:35:05,000 | 這個有沒有什麼樣的機制 |
| 01:35:05,000 | 01:35:07,000 | 對國軍 |
| 01:35:07,000 | 01:35:08,000 | 我只講對國軍喔 |
| 01:35:08,000 | 01:35:11,000 | 對國軍有特別的這樣的照顧 |
| 01:35:11,000 | 01:35:12,000 | 市委員 |
| 01:35:12,000 | 01:35:13,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 01:35:13,000 | 01:35:15,000 | 我是國防部法律事務司司長 |
| 01:35:15,000 | 01:35:17,000 | 那我們對國軍在 |
| 01:35:17,000 | 01:35:19,000 | 發生家庭有糾紛 |
| 01:35:19,000 | 01:35:22,000 | 或是跟外界有相關的訴訟 |
| 01:35:22,000 | 01:35:24,000 | 或是民事或刑事上面 |
| 01:35:24,000 | 01:35:26,000 | 我們國防部有一個公聘律師的機制 |
| 01:35:26,000 | 01:35:28,000 | 我不是說他本人啦 |
| 01:35:28,000 | 01:35:29,000 | 對 家屬也是一樣 |
| 01:35:29,000 | 01:35:30,000 | 為什麼我先講你喔 |
| 01:35:30,000 | 01:35:31,000 | 家屬也是我們服務的對象 |
| 01:35:31,000 | 01:35:32,000 | 部長我先問一下 |
| 01:35:32,000 | 01:35:34,000 | 部長為什麼會這樣提喔 |
| 01:35:34,000 | 01:35:36,000 | 因為如果這些事情 |
| 01:35:36,000 | 01:35:38,000 | 我們的軍官沒辦法 |
| 01:35:38,000 | 01:35:40,000 | 有這個好好的處理或協助 |
| 01:35:40,000 | 01:35:42,000 | 就跟我們國防部在後面協助他 |
| 01:35:42,000 | 01:35:44,000 | 那弄到最後的結果 |
| 01:35:44,000 | 01:35:46,000 | 可能他們消費比較少 |
| 01:35:46,000 | 01:35:48,000 | 他們消費比較少 |
| 01:35:48,000 | 01:35:50,000 | 到最後就會影響到這個軍官 |
| 01:35:50,000 | 01:35:53,000 | 那最後他們消費可能會用滲透 |
| 01:35:53,000 | 01:35:55,000 | 我記一下他們消費 |
| 01:35:55,000 | 01:35:57,000 | 現在過年大家吃團圓飯 |
| 01:35:57,000 | 01:36:00,000 | 說哥哥你最近補隊了 |
| 01:36:00,000 | 01:36:02,000 | 有什麼特別的嗎 |
| 01:36:02,000 | 01:36:04,000 | 最近聽說你又損隊了 |
| 01:36:04,000 | 01:36:06,000 | 你損隊了現在都在做什麼 |
| 01:36:06,000 | 01:36:07,000 | 看你很忙 |
| 01:36:07,000 | 01:36:08,000 | 很想回去處理 |
| 01:36:08,000 | 01:36:10,000 | 就透過這樣的方式 |
| 01:36:10,000 | 01:36:13,000 | 他也許就掌握了一些訊息 |
| 01:36:13,000 | 01:36:14,000 | 我的意思是說 |
| 01:36:14,000 | 01:36:16,000 | 對軍官本人 |
| 01:36:16,000 | 01:36:18,000 | 本人當然裡面會有一些教育的模式 |
| 01:36:18,000 | 01:36:20,000 | 但是對他的家人 |
| 01:36:20,000 | 01:36:22,000 | 不管是上下的父母 |
| 01:36:22,000 | 01:36:23,000 | 或者是兄弟姐妹 |
| 01:36:23,000 | 01:36:25,000 | 或者是他的家裡的小孩 |
| 01:36:25,000 | 01:36:26,000 | 這一些事情 |
| 01:36:26,000 | 01:36:28,000 | 我們有沒有什麼一套的方式 |
| 01:36:28,000 | 01:36:30,000 | 說不出軍官的後盾 |
| 01:36:30,000 | 01:36:33,000 | 敢協助讓他不要去困擾這些課題 |
| 01:36:33,000 | 01:36:35,000 | 是 我想委員指導的 |
| 01:36:35,000 | 01:36:36,000 | 我了解了 |
| 01:36:36,000 | 01:36:39,000 | 這個我想他家庭方面 |
| 01:36:39,000 | 01:36:40,000 | 有任何的困擾 |
| 01:36:40,000 | 01:36:42,000 | 就會影響他本人 |
| 01:36:42,000 | 01:36:44,000 | 所以他本人有任何的困難 |
| 01:36:44,000 | 01:36:46,000 | 他只要反應到軍方 |
| 01:36:46,000 | 01:36:48,000 | 我想軍方都會願意來協助 |
| 01:36:48,000 | 01:36:50,000 | 那就看各種不同的事項 |
| 01:36:50,000 | 01:36:51,000 | 財務的部分 |
| 01:36:51,000 | 01:36:53,000 | 如果他有任何的困難 |
| 01:36:53,000 | 01:36:55,000 | 我們也會來理解 |
| 01:36:55,000 | 01:36:56,000 | 然後來 |
| 01:36:56,000 | 01:36:58,000 | 比如說我們現在有推出 |
| 01:36:58,000 | 01:37:00,000 | 濟濫的貸款 |
| 01:37:00,000 | 01:37:03,000 | 那這個部分也可以來進行 |
| 01:37:03,000 | 01:37:04,000 | 因為他會喔 |
| 01:37:04,000 | 01:37:05,000 | 他自己不會說啦 |
| 01:37:05,000 | 01:37:06,000 | 有的對 |
| 01:37:06,000 | 01:37:08,000 | 那現在的委員講到重點 |
| 01:37:08,000 | 01:37:09,000 | 就是說他會不會說啦 |
| 01:37:09,000 | 01:37:11,000 | 有時候他的家人也不願意講 |
| 01:37:11,000 | 01:37:13,000 | 或者他本人也不太願意講 |
| 01:37:13,000 | 01:37:15,000 | 那這個部分的話 |
| 01:37:15,000 | 01:37:18,000 | 我想如果他真的有形成壓力 |
| 01:37:18,000 | 01:37:21,000 | 或者是一些困擾的話 |
| 01:37:21,000 | 01:37:22,000 | 我想一方面我們的輔導幹部 |
| 01:37:22,000 | 01:37:24,000 | 應該要主動了解 |
| 01:37:24,000 | 01:37:26,000 | 那另外一個就是說 |
| 01:37:26,000 | 01:37:28,000 | 我們要有一個好的辛苦制度 |
| 01:37:28,000 | 01:37:29,000 | 因為我們就有民間 |
| 01:37:29,000 | 01:37:32,000 | 那他可以去跟民間的辛苦制度來聊 |
| 01:37:32,000 | 01:37:36,000 | 但是確實還是有一點就是說 |
| 01:37:36,000 | 01:37:39,000 | 他要是真的什麼都不肯講的話 |
| 01:37:39,000 | 01:37:43,000 | 那我們就要從他的工作上面 |
| 01:37:43,000 | 01:37:45,000 | 工作上面的表現 |
| 01:37:45,000 | 01:37:51,000 | 他有沒有產生一些狀況的一個呈現 |
| 01:37:51,000 | 01:37:52,000 | 然後去進行關心 |
| 01:37:52,000 | 01:37:54,000 | 這個可能再想一下 |
| 01:37:54,000 | 01:37:56,000 | 因為大家都有家人 |
| 01:37:56,000 | 01:37:58,000 | 他那位就不好意思說 |
| 01:37:58,000 | 01:38:00,000 | 怕說出來流氣 |
| 01:38:00,000 | 01:38:03,000 | 所以怎麼樣去有這樣的機制 |
| 01:38:03,000 | 01:38:06,000 | 提早的發現提早的來做協助 |
| 01:38:06,000 | 01:38:09,000 | 第二個你們在做這一些 |
| 01:38:09,000 | 01:38:11,000 | 跟政治作戰有關的時候 |
| 01:38:11,000 | 01:38:14,000 | 我看你們會找一些講師來上課 |
| 01:38:14,000 | 01:38:16,000 | 請問部長 |
| 01:38:16,000 | 01:38:19,000 | 這些上課的教材 |
| 01:38:19,000 | 01:38:21,000 | 對國防部來說 |
| 01:38:21,000 | 01:38:22,000 | 相關的單位來說 |
| 01:38:22,000 | 01:38:25,000 | 有沒有一個審議的機制 |
| 01:38:25,000 | 01:38:27,000 | 還是這個老師這個教授 |
| 01:38:27,000 | 01:38:29,000 | 長期做兩岸關係 |
| 01:38:29,000 | 01:38:31,000 | 這樣顧上都請他來上課 |
| 01:38:31,000 | 01:38:33,000 | 他也說得不錯 |
| 01:38:33,000 | 01:38:34,000 | 也很受歡迎 |
| 01:38:34,000 | 01:38:36,000 | 可是也許他的這個 |
| 01:38:36,000 | 01:38:37,000 | 談的這些課題 |
| 01:38:37,000 | 01:38:39,000 | 現在已經都弄好了 |
| 01:38:39,000 | 01:38:41,000 | 或者是他講的那些內容 |
| 01:38:41,000 | 01:38:43,000 | 即使國防部有更新相關的資訊 |
| 01:38:43,000 | 01:38:45,000 | 他還是拿舊的再講 |
| 01:38:45,000 | 01:38:48,000 | 這些狀況我們在上課 |
| 01:38:48,000 | 01:38:50,000 | 這些教材上 |
| 01:38:50,000 | 01:38:52,000 | 有沒有相關的審議機制 |
| 01:38:52,000 | 01:38:54,000 | 還是完全就讓這個老師 |
| 01:38:54,000 | 01:38:57,000 | 也許從外面聘來的老師上課 |
| 01:38:57,000 | 01:39:00,000 | 就尊重他上課的內容 |
| 01:39:00,000 | 01:39:02,000 | 是不是先 |
| 01:39:02,000 | 01:39:03,000 | 委員好 |
| 01:39:03,000 | 01:39:05,000 | 我是政戰局文宣新戰處處長 |
| 01:39:05,000 | 01:39:06,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 01:39:06,000 | 01:39:08,000 | 有關老師在上課之前 |
| 01:39:08,000 | 01:39:09,000 | 其實我們都會先研擬 |
| 01:39:09,000 | 01:39:12,000 | 他希望他上課講授的一些重點跟主軸 |
| 01:39:12,000 | 01:39:14,000 | 然後簽證核准了以後 |
| 01:39:14,000 | 01:39:16,000 | 我們會找老師來研討 |
| 01:39:16,000 | 01:39:17,000 | 然後老師的這些教案 |
| 01:39:17,000 | 01:39:19,000 | 我們後續會有我們 |
| 01:39:19,000 | 01:39:20,000 | 像不管是舉光園地也好 |
| 01:39:20,000 | 01:39:23,000 | 或是說各項的國軍 |
| 01:39:23,000 | 01:39:25,000 | 在推動的專案教育的課程 |
| 01:39:25,000 | 01:39:27,000 | 我們政戰局都會有 |
| 01:39:27,000 | 01:39:28,000 | 邀請專家學者 |
| 01:39:28,000 | 01:39:30,000 | 跟我們部內的長官相關的聯參 |
| 01:39:30,000 | 01:39:32,000 | 來進行共同的審查 |
| 01:39:32,000 | 01:39:33,000 | 以上報告 |
| 01:39:33,000 | 01:39:34,000 | 就事後嗎 |
| 01:39:34,000 | 01:39:36,000 | 上課前就會做了解 |
| 01:39:36,000 | 01:39:37,000 | 不要說上課 |
| 01:39:37,000 | 01:39:39,000 | 假如他今天講了30張投影片 |
| 01:39:39,000 | 01:39:40,000 | 這30張投影片 |
| 01:39:40,000 | 01:39:42,000 | 事先你們都看過還是怎樣 |
| 01:39:42,000 | 01:39:43,000 | 我們都會先請老師 |
| 01:39:43,000 | 01:39:46,000 | 提供給我們他的授課的簡報 |
| 01:39:46,000 | 01:39:47,000 | 跟這個內容 |
| 01:39:47,000 | 01:39:49,000 | 讓我們來做一個了解 |
| 01:39:49,000 | 01:39:51,000 | 那他如果上課這個過程 |
| 01:39:51,000 | 01:39:52,000 | 講述的內容 |
| 01:39:52,000 | 01:39:53,000 | 已經跟我們國軍 |
| 01:39:53,000 | 01:39:55,000 | 跟國防部的這個方向 |
| 01:39:55,000 | 01:39:57,000 | 已經有一點偏掉了 |
| 01:39:57,000 | 01:39:59,000 | 那事後也需要再溝通 |
| 01:39:59,000 | 01:40:00,000 | 是 |
| 01:40:00,000 | 01:40:01,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 01:40:01,000 | 01:40:02,000 | 那我今天就這樣 |
| 01:40:02,000 | 01:40:03,000 | 謝謝 |
| 01:40:03,000 | 01:40:04,000 | 謝謝委 |
| 01:40:06,000 | 01:40:07,000 | 謝謝 |
| 01:40:07,000 | 01:40:09,000 | 接下來請羅美琳委員 |
| 01:40:09,000 | 01:40:11,000 | 羅美琳委員不在 |
| 01:40:11,000 | 01:40:13,000 | 請牛許廷委員上台諮詢 |
| 01:40:17,000 | 01:40:18,000 | 謝謝主席 |
| 01:40:18,000 | 01:40:19,000 | 顧部長有請 |
| 01:40:19,000 | 01:40:20,000 | 請郭部長 |
| 01:40:26,000 | 01:40:27,000 | 林委員好 |
| 01:40:27,000 | 01:40:28,000 | 部長早安 |
| 01:40:28,000 | 01:40:30,000 | 這個今天我們要討論這個 |
| 01:40:30,000 | 01:40:32,000 | 國軍官兵的精神戰力的建構 |
| 01:40:32,000 | 01:40:33,000 | 跟心理的韌性 |
| 01:40:33,000 | 01:40:34,000 | 這當然很好 |
| 01:40:34,000 | 01:40:36,000 | 不過我們就這個有話直說 |
| 01:40:36,000 | 01:40:38,000 | 這個軍裡面流傳一句話 |
| 01:40:38,000 | 01:40:40,000 | 這大概是大家從小聽到大 |
| 01:40:40,000 | 01:40:42,000 | 然後也聽很多前輩講過 |
| 01:40:42,000 | 01:40:43,000 | 合理的要求叫訓練 |
| 01:40:43,000 | 01:40:45,000 | 不合理的要求叫磨練 |
| 01:40:45,000 | 01:40:47,000 | 部長你認同這句話嗎 |
| 01:40:47,000 | 01:40:49,000 | 我們現在應該是 |
| 01:40:49,000 | 01:40:52,000 | 推動一個合理的管教吧 |
| 01:40:52,000 | 01:40:53,000 | 是啊 |
| 01:40:53,000 | 01:40:55,000 | 這個這句話大概是軍裡面文化 |
| 01:40:55,000 | 01:40:57,000 | 長長久久傳來的一句話 |
| 01:40:57,000 | 01:40:59,000 | 但本席政委這怎麼樣來講 |
| 01:40:59,000 | 01:41:01,000 | 要因應時代的一些變化 |
| 01:41:01,000 | 01:41:03,000 | 做一些合理的調整 |
| 01:41:03,000 | 01:41:05,000 | 在那個資訊不透明的 |
| 01:41:05,000 | 01:41:06,000 | 這樣一個很傳統 |
| 01:41:06,000 | 01:41:08,000 | 很保守的這樣一個環境之下 |
| 01:41:08,000 | 01:41:09,000 | 或許這句話 |
| 01:41:09,000 | 01:41:10,000 | 它有它的一定的穿透力 |
| 01:41:10,000 | 01:41:13,000 | 但現在這個現代戰爭 |
| 01:41:13,000 | 01:41:15,000 | 這個軍裡面文化的逐步改變 |
| 01:41:15,000 | 01:41:17,000 | 你總是有必要切合社會氛圍 |
| 01:41:17,000 | 01:41:18,000 | 我想部長應該不反對 |
| 01:41:18,000 | 01:41:19,000 | 這樣的一個方向吧 |
| 01:41:19,000 | 01:41:21,000 | 要做合理的調整對吧 |
| 01:41:21,000 | 01:41:23,000 | 我們盡量朝向我們 |
| 01:41:23,000 | 01:41:25,000 | 我們訓練當然是要嚴格 |
| 01:41:25,000 | 01:41:26,000 | 是的 |
| 01:41:26,000 | 01:41:27,000 | 那管教要合理 |
| 01:41:27,000 | 01:41:30,000 | 那所有的一切的作為 |
| 01:41:30,000 | 01:41:32,000 | 都是為了這個 |
| 01:41:32,000 | 01:41:34,000 | 強化我們的戰備能力這樣 |
| 01:41:34,000 | 01:41:35,000 | 是啊 |
| 01:41:35,000 | 01:41:36,000 | 這只要圍繞著這個核心 |
| 01:41:36,000 | 01:41:38,000 | 有效達成當然都是好手段 |
| 01:41:38,000 | 01:41:40,000 | 那本席要強調的是 |
| 01:41:40,000 | 01:41:41,000 | 你用過去的這種強壓式 |
| 01:41:41,000 | 01:41:42,000 | 這種方式不見得是好的 |
| 01:41:42,000 | 01:41:45,000 | 反而是要用因應社會氛圍的期待 |
| 01:41:45,000 | 01:41:47,000 | 大家對國軍的一個最新的期待 |
| 01:41:47,000 | 01:41:48,000 | 要做合理的調整 |
| 01:41:48,000 | 01:41:50,000 | 所以這個很多人都談 |
| 01:41:50,000 | 01:41:51,000 | 今天大家如果要談說什麼 |
| 01:41:51,000 | 01:41:53,000 | 這個如何建構精神戰力 |
| 01:41:53,000 | 01:41:54,000 | 你要上多少課 |
| 01:41:54,000 | 01:41:56,000 | 你要給予他怎麼樣一個觀念 |
| 01:41:56,000 | 01:41:57,000 | 怎麼什麼等等等等 |
| 01:41:57,000 | 01:41:59,000 | 但是我還是認為 |
| 01:41:59,000 | 01:42:01,000 | 這所有的核心不外乎幾件事 |
| 01:42:01,000 | 01:42:03,000 | 就讓當兵有榮譽感 |
| 01:42:03,000 | 01:42:05,000 | 當兵有榮譽感也不外乎幾件事 |
| 01:42:05,000 | 01:42:07,000 | 一個叫做經濟上沒有壓力 |
| 01:42:07,000 | 01:42:09,000 | 可以放心的去從事軍旅生涯 |
| 01:42:09,000 | 01:42:11,000 | 另外一個是我的工作環境 |
| 01:42:11,000 | 01:42:13,000 | 它就像一個職場一樣的狀態 |
| 01:42:13,000 | 01:42:15,000 | 屬性上來講它可能比較特殊 |
| 01:42:15,000 | 01:42:16,000 | 但它也是一份工作 |
| 01:42:16,000 | 01:42:20,000 | 那這份工作的環境要能夠合理 |
| 01:42:20,000 | 01:42:23,000 | 所以分別從這幾件事情 |
| 01:42:23,000 | 01:42:25,000 | 來跟部長做一下探討 |
| 01:42:25,000 | 01:42:27,000 | 剛剛很多委員都很關心 |
| 01:42:27,000 | 01:42:29,000 | 中共滲透什麼什麼 |
| 01:42:29,000 | 01:42:31,000 | 講了很多行而上的觀念的問題 |
| 01:42:31,000 | 01:42:33,000 | 這當然國軍要注意的 |
| 01:42:33,000 | 01:42:34,000 | 這本來是不反對這樣的事情 |
| 01:42:34,000 | 01:42:36,000 | 但是幾件最近爆發出來 |
| 01:42:36,000 | 01:42:37,000 | 被滲透的事情 |
| 01:42:37,000 | 01:42:39,000 | 其實不外乎共同指向同一個原因 |
| 01:42:39,000 | 01:42:41,000 | 其實就是經濟因素 |
| 01:42:41,000 | 01:42:44,000 | 就是說我基於不管是官兵個人也好 |
| 01:42:44,000 | 01:42:45,000 | 或者怎麼樣也好 |
| 01:42:45,000 | 01:42:47,000 | 他的經濟上的一些短期的需求 |
| 01:42:47,000 | 01:42:48,000 | 或者是一些缺口 |
| 01:42:48,000 | 01:42:49,000 | 不管透過家屬也好 |
| 01:42:49,000 | 01:42:50,000 | 透過個人也好 |
| 01:42:50,000 | 01:42:51,000 | 他事宜小惠 |
| 01:42:51,000 | 01:42:53,000 | 那就成為了一個滲透的破口 |
| 01:42:53,000 | 01:42:55,000 | 所以你治標的角度 |
| 01:42:55,000 | 01:42:56,000 | 你當然要研辦 |
| 01:42:56,000 | 01:42:57,000 | 你當然要防堵 |
| 01:42:57,000 | 01:42:58,000 | 你當然要上課 |
| 01:42:58,000 | 01:42:59,000 | 要精神喊話 |
| 01:42:59,000 | 01:43:00,000 | 這都沒有錯的 |
| 01:43:00,000 | 01:43:01,000 | 但是治本之道不外乎別的 |
| 01:43:01,000 | 01:43:02,000 | 就徹底改善他的待遇 |
| 01:43:02,000 | 01:43:04,000 | 讓他可以很安心的去做這件事 |
| 01:43:04,000 | 01:43:05,000 | 所以本席要問的第一個問題 |
| 01:43:06,000 | 01:43:07,000 | 昨天的新聞出來 |
| 01:43:07,000 | 01:43:09,000 | 明年116年的總預算 |
| 01:43:09,000 | 01:43:11,000 | 3兆6千億 |
| 01:43:11,000 | 01:43:13,000 | 請問有沒有包含 |
| 01:43:13,000 | 01:43:15,000 | 志願役加薪的相關預算 |
| 01:43:15,000 | 01:43:16,000 | 編進去的沒有 |
| 01:43:16,000 | 01:43:17,000 | 請部長回答 |
| 01:43:17,000 | 01:43:20,000 | 我想我們朝向不斷的調整 |
| 01:43:20,000 | 01:43:23,000 | 檢討調整我們相關的這個加急 |
| 01:43:23,000 | 01:43:26,000 | 軍公教的待遇的一體調整 |
| 01:43:26,000 | 01:43:28,000 | 這個行政院已經有說明 |
| 01:43:28,000 | 01:43:31,000 | 另外就我們國軍的各項的加急 |
| 01:43:31,000 | 01:43:33,000 | 我們依照勤務盤重的這個程度 |
| 01:43:33,000 | 01:43:35,000 | 我們會來持續檢討 |
| 01:43:35,000 | 01:43:37,000 | 行政院有一個統一的說明 |
| 01:43:37,000 | 01:43:39,000 | 所以到底有編還沒編嗎 |
| 01:43:39,000 | 01:43:40,000 | 行政院那個部分 |
| 01:43:40,000 | 01:43:43,000 | 就屬於軍公教的一體加薪的部分 |
| 01:43:43,000 | 01:43:44,000 | 所以沒有編就對了 |
| 01:43:44,000 | 01:43:46,000 | 沒有按照當初通過軍人待遇條例的 |
| 01:43:46,000 | 01:43:48,000 | 這樣子的條文去編列預算嗎 |
| 01:43:48,000 | 01:43:50,000 | 當時有做過一個決議 |
| 01:43:50,000 | 01:43:52,000 | 就是說我們6個月內要提出 |
| 01:43:52,000 | 01:43:54,000 | 有關這個檢討 |
| 01:43:54,000 | 01:43:56,000 | 就這個部分我們已經跟人總 |
| 01:43:56,000 | 01:43:57,000 | 已經在檢討 |
| 01:43:57,000 | 01:43:58,000 | 那我們定案之後 |
| 01:43:58,000 | 01:44:00,000 | 會跟各界來做一個說明 |
| 01:44:00,000 | 01:44:03,000 | 因為按照116年預算編列的一個期程 |
| 01:44:03,000 | 01:44:04,000 | 大概就是7月底8月等等 |
| 01:44:04,000 | 01:44:06,000 | 大概就完成你所謂的這個行政端 |
| 01:44:06,000 | 01:44:07,000 | 內部的一個整合 |
| 01:44:07,000 | 01:44:09,000 | 大概8月下半會期做準備 |
| 01:44:09,000 | 01:44:10,000 | 就要送進立法院了對吧 |
| 01:44:10,000 | 01:44:12,000 | 這一年的預算經歷了多少耽擱 |
| 01:44:12,000 | 01:44:14,000 | 當然就是因為軍人加薪的 |
| 01:44:14,000 | 01:44:15,000 | 這個相關的預算沒有編入 |
| 01:44:15,000 | 01:44:17,000 | 然後導致了預算的一個僵局 |
| 01:44:17,000 | 01:44:20,000 | 那這116年我們還要重蹈覆轍嗎 |
| 01:44:20,000 | 01:44:23,000 | 我們現在有就那個加急的部分 |
| 01:44:23,000 | 01:44:24,000 | 我們已經有做過檢討 |
| 01:44:24,000 | 01:44:27,000 | 那也跟行政院人士總是做溝通 |
| 01:44:27,000 | 01:44:28,000 | 那等到最後定案的時候 |
| 01:44:28,000 | 01:44:29,000 | 我們再一併發布 |
| 01:44:29,000 | 01:44:31,000 | 請問定案的最終時間會是什麼 |
| 01:44:31,000 | 01:44:33,000 | 所以目前聽起來是沒有編進去喔 |
| 01:44:34,000 | 01:44:37,000 | 應該會將我們現在所檢討的 |
| 01:44:37,000 | 01:44:40,000 | 有共識的都會納進來 |
| 01:44:40,000 | 01:44:42,000 | 檢討有共識納進來 |
| 01:44:42,000 | 01:44:43,000 | 就是我們加急的 |
| 01:44:43,000 | 01:44:46,000 | 我們現在檢討不同的加急的這個狀況 |
| 01:44:46,000 | 01:44:49,000 | 那有跟人種探討一個加急的 |
| 01:44:49,000 | 01:44:50,000 | 發給的對象 |
| 01:44:50,000 | 01:44:52,000 | 因為我們剛談了嘛 |
| 01:44:52,000 | 01:44:54,000 | 就是你預算內部的整個流程完備 |
| 01:44:54,000 | 01:44:55,000 | 你也就是7月都完備 |
| 01:44:55,000 | 01:44:57,000 | 8月總要送立法院對不對 |
| 01:44:57,000 | 01:44:58,000 | 那現在已經8月了對吧 |
| 01:44:58,000 | 01:44:59,000 | 那你還沒有完備 |
| 01:44:59,000 | 01:45:01,000 | 意思是說我還會再變動嗎 |
| 01:45:01,000 | 01:45:03,000 | 差不多已經底定了 |
| 01:45:03,000 | 01:45:05,000 | 但是我想因為這個發布的時機 |
| 01:45:05,000 | 01:45:07,000 | 我想還是要由行政院來定奪 |
| 01:45:07,000 | 01:45:09,000 | 所以差不多已經底定了 |
| 01:45:09,000 | 01:45:11,000 | 那我想8月底會送預算 |
| 01:45:11,000 | 01:45:13,000 | 應該會在那個時候之前 |
| 01:45:13,000 | 01:45:16,000 | 我們就會對外界做一個說明 |
| 01:45:16,000 | 01:45:17,000 | 我提醒你啦 |
| 01:45:17,000 | 01:45:18,000 | 這一段時間大家都在談 |
| 01:45:18,000 | 01:45:20,000 | 不管是從軍購角度或什麼樣 |
| 01:45:20,000 | 01:45:21,000 | 大家都在談 |
| 01:45:21,000 | 01:45:22,000 | 我們慢慢慢慢要提升 |
| 01:45:22,000 | 01:45:23,000 | 國防預算戰 |
| 01:45:23,000 | 01:45:24,000 | 全國總預算一定的戰略 |
| 01:45:24,000 | 01:45:26,000 | 合理的調整我想在來黨都會支持 |
| 01:45:26,000 | 01:45:28,000 | 在來黨非常非常堅持的就是 |
| 01:45:28,000 | 01:45:30,000 | 從來不是只有裝備武器的問題嘛 |
| 01:45:30,000 | 01:45:31,000 | 你把大家的待遇都搞好了 |
| 01:45:31,000 | 01:45:32,000 | 通通一起的提升 |
| 01:45:32,000 | 01:45:34,000 | 我想對於基層的士氣 |
| 01:45:34,000 | 01:45:35,000 | 還有剛剛講的 |
| 01:45:35,000 | 01:45:37,000 | 心理精神的韌性 |
| 01:45:37,000 | 01:45:38,000 | 它會是正面的啦 |
| 01:45:38,000 | 01:45:40,000 | 那我不曉得你今天講半天 |
| 01:45:40,000 | 01:45:41,000 | 到底最後的結論是怎麼樣 |
| 01:45:41,000 | 01:45:43,000 | 但是我藉用這樣一點的時間 |
| 01:45:43,000 | 01:45:45,000 | 我再次很誠懇的喊話很呼籲 |
| 01:45:45,000 | 01:45:47,000 | 好好的按照當初在來黨 |
| 01:45:47,000 | 01:45:48,000 | 通過的軍人待遇條例 |
| 01:45:48,000 | 01:45:49,000 | 趕快去編列 |
| 01:45:49,000 | 01:45:51,000 | 其實問題就解決了 |
| 01:45:51,000 | 01:45:53,000 | 也可以切合今天強化精神戰力 |
| 01:45:53,000 | 01:45:55,000 | 穩定他職場發展 |
| 01:45:55,000 | 01:45:57,000 | 這樣子的一個初衷嘛 |
| 01:45:57,000 | 01:45:58,000 | 我們這一段時間 |
| 01:45:58,000 | 01:45:59,000 | 台灣的經濟發展 |
| 01:45:59,000 | 01:46:00,000 | 因為半導體產業非常的好 |
| 01:46:00,000 | 01:46:01,000 | 不錯嘛 |
| 01:46:01,000 | 01:46:02,000 | 經濟成長率都是9% |
| 01:46:02,000 | 01:46:03,000 | 甚至10幾%對不對 |
| 01:46:03,000 | 01:46:06,000 | 每一年能夠帶動相關的稅收也好 |
| 01:46:06,000 | 01:46:07,000 | 包含股票等等 |
| 01:46:07,000 | 01:46:09,000 | 國庫增加的稅收 |
| 01:46:09,000 | 01:46:11,000 | 到幾千億幾千億再算了 |
| 01:46:11,000 | 01:46:12,000 | 一個軍人待遇條例 |
| 01:46:12,000 | 01:46:14,000 | 按照在來黨版本滿大滿算 |
| 01:46:14,000 | 01:46:15,000 | 三五百億的一個支出 |
| 01:46:15,000 | 01:46:16,000 | 行政院條 |
| 01:46:16,000 | 01:46:18,000 | 國防衛生委完全有能力去因應嘛 |
| 01:46:18,000 | 01:46:20,000 | 當初這樣子好好的給 |
| 01:46:20,000 | 01:46:22,000 | 在這個軍人加薪不就好了嗎 |
| 01:46:22,000 | 01:46:23,000 | 對不對為什麼還要 |
| 01:46:23,000 | 01:46:25,000 | 還要拉扯扯還要研究 |
| 01:46:25,000 | 01:46:26,000 | 還有什麼定案等等呢 |
| 01:46:26,000 | 01:46:27,000 | 部長 |
| 01:46:27,000 | 01:46:28,000 | 我想我們 |
| 01:46:28,000 | 01:46:30,000 | 國防部長還是我們會 |
| 01:46:30,000 | 01:46:32,000 | 希望透過這個 |
| 01:46:32,000 | 01:46:33,000 | 依照任務繁重的程度 |
| 01:46:33,000 | 01:46:36,000 | 還有那個他的專業程度 |
| 01:46:36,000 | 01:46:38,000 | 我們從這個加給 |
| 01:46:38,000 | 01:46:41,000 | 各項的加給面來不斷的檢討調整 |
| 01:46:41,000 | 01:46:44,000 | 那這次也確實是有在進行調整 |
| 01:46:44,000 | 01:46:48,000 | 擴大發放的對象以及成績 |
| 01:46:48,000 | 01:46:50,000 | 聽起來感覺起來就是沒有按照 |
| 01:46:50,000 | 01:46:51,000 | 當初在來黨的條例去編嘛 |
| 01:46:51,000 | 01:46:53,000 | 我們希望這個 |
| 01:46:53,000 | 01:46:57,000 | 用透過這樣子的一個加給的方式 |
| 01:46:57,000 | 01:47:01,000 | 來認為我們希望能夠將 |
| 01:47:01,000 | 01:47:03,000 | 譬如說我們簡單講就是說 |
| 01:47:03,000 | 01:47:05,000 | 我們也許現在變現比比較低的 |
| 01:47:05,000 | 01:47:07,000 | 我們希望透過這樣相關的誘因來納 |
| 01:47:07,000 | 01:47:08,000 | 而不是一體的 |
| 01:47:08,000 | 01:47:10,000 | 因為一體的這個部分 |
| 01:47:10,000 | 01:47:12,000 | 反而會在我們看起來會 |
| 01:47:12,000 | 01:47:13,000 | 部長 |
| 01:47:13,000 | 01:47:14,000 | 會造成某種程度的一個 |
| 01:47:14,000 | 01:47:16,000 | 這個我本心是不樂見 |
| 01:47:16,000 | 01:47:18,000 | 在有類似的一些僵局 |
| 01:47:18,000 | 01:47:20,000 | 如果說今天政府的裁員 |
| 01:47:20,000 | 01:47:21,000 | 裁縱狀況還不錯 |
| 01:47:21,000 | 01:47:22,000 | 該處理要處理 |
| 01:47:22,000 | 01:47:24,000 | 講話就講到這裡就好 |
| 01:47:24,000 | 01:47:27,000 | 反正後面大家恐怕又會有一番爭論 |
| 01:47:27,000 | 01:47:29,000 | 但我們還有另外一個題目 |
| 01:47:29,000 | 01:47:30,000 | 我還要再就教 |
| 01:47:30,000 | 01:47:31,000 | 我剛才談的第一個 |
| 01:47:31,000 | 01:47:33,000 | 當然就是從國軍經濟上的待遇 |
| 01:47:33,000 | 01:47:35,000 | 給予全面性穩定的一個支持 |
| 01:47:35,000 | 01:47:37,000 | 讓他這個可以好好的 |
| 01:47:37,000 | 01:47:38,000 | 來面對自己的軍旅生活 |
| 01:47:38,000 | 01:47:39,000 | 專心於訓練 |
| 01:47:39,000 | 01:47:40,000 | 第二個談的是工作環境 |
| 01:47:40,000 | 01:47:41,000 | 這本期上個月 |
| 01:47:41,000 | 01:47:44,000 | 7月初的時候 |
| 01:47:44,000 | 01:47:46,000 | 7月8號也是在這邊質詢的時候 |
| 01:47:46,000 | 01:47:48,000 | 我提了一個叫無效文書的事情 |
| 01:47:48,000 | 01:47:49,000 | 剛好今天是漢光 |
| 01:47:49,000 | 01:47:50,000 | 大家忙翻天了 |
| 01:47:50,000 | 01:47:53,000 | 上次就舉了個例子 |
| 01:47:53,000 | 01:47:55,000 | 每到重大演習的時候 |
| 01:47:55,000 | 01:47:56,000 | 不管是事前的準備 |
| 01:47:56,000 | 01:47:57,000 | 或者是事後的檢討 |
| 01:47:57,000 | 01:47:58,000 | 動輒的投影片 |
| 01:47:58,000 | 01:47:59,000 | 300頁起跳 |
| 01:47:59,000 | 01:48:01,000 | 大家做到頭昏腦脹 |
| 01:48:01,000 | 01:48:03,000 | 公時和很多基層 |
| 01:48:03,000 | 01:48:05,000 | 做相關文書整理 |
| 01:48:05,000 | 01:48:07,000 | 或者是相關簡報的人等 |
| 01:48:07,000 | 01:48:10,000 | 公時超過18個小時 |
| 01:48:10,000 | 01:48:11,000 | 這樣的一個狀況 |
| 01:48:11,000 | 01:48:13,000 | 當然我講了 |
| 01:48:13,000 | 01:48:15,000 | 有過去的慣性跟習性 |
| 01:48:15,000 | 01:48:17,000 | 但是這樣子的一個環境 |
| 01:48:17,000 | 01:48:19,000 | 總是不進步的 |
| 01:48:19,000 | 01:48:21,000 | 總是不效率的 |
| 01:48:21,000 | 01:48:22,000 | 這樣的狀況 |
| 01:48:22,000 | 01:48:23,000 | 後來國防部講說 |
| 01:48:23,000 | 01:48:25,000 | 部長聽到也正面的回答 |
| 01:48:25,000 | 01:48:27,000 | 說我們馬上來進行 |
| 01:48:27,000 | 01:48:28,000 | 各單位的一個 |
| 01:48:28,000 | 01:48:30,000 | 無效文書作業的檢討 |
| 01:48:30,000 | 01:48:31,000 | 那麼具體來講 |
| 01:48:31,000 | 01:48:33,000 | 現在有沒有一些降低的效果 |
| 01:48:33,000 | 01:48:34,000 | 因為過了一個月 |
| 01:48:34,000 | 01:48:35,000 | 我追蹤一下這件事情的進度 |
| 01:48:35,000 | 01:48:37,000 | 請說明 |
| 01:48:37,000 | 01:48:38,000 | 包委員您剛剛提到 |
| 01:48:38,000 | 01:48:40,000 | 有關於我們作戰演訓 |
| 01:48:40,000 | 01:48:43,000 | 那些做了很多powerpoint的部分 |
| 01:48:43,000 | 01:48:45,000 | 事實上我們從去年到今年 |
| 01:48:45,000 | 01:48:47,000 | 尤其在這一次漢光演習裡面 |
| 01:48:47,000 | 01:48:48,000 | 如果您仔細看的話 |
| 01:48:48,000 | 01:48:49,000 | 就會發現 |
| 01:48:49,000 | 01:48:52,000 | 我們現在基於實戰化的要求 |
| 01:48:52,000 | 01:48:55,000 | 基本上都是要求各級職參人員 |
| 01:48:55,000 | 01:48:57,000 | 必須要就圖 |
| 01:48:57,000 | 01:48:59,000 | 就他的狀況去做表述 |
| 01:48:59,000 | 01:49:01,000 | 而不是去做一大堆的 |
| 01:49:01,000 | 01:49:03,000 | 那個powerpoint去表達 |
| 01:49:03,000 | 01:49:04,000 | 這是第一個 |
| 01:49:04,000 | 01:49:05,000 | 第二個 |
| 01:49:05,000 | 01:49:07,000 | 有關於公文書的這個部分 |
| 01:49:07,000 | 01:49:09,000 | 在上次委員指導過之後 |
| 01:49:09,000 | 01:49:11,000 | 除了我們原本在 |
| 01:49:11,000 | 01:49:13,000 | 之前推的一定到位的 |
| 01:49:13,000 | 01:49:15,000 | 這個政策之外 |
| 01:49:15,000 | 01:49:17,000 | 去精檢各單位的文書作業 |
| 01:49:17,000 | 01:49:21,000 | 那我們目前的計畫是 |
| 01:49:21,000 | 01:49:23,000 | 針對基層部隊 |
| 01:49:23,000 | 01:49:25,000 | 也就是迎擊到軍團這邊 |
| 01:49:25,000 | 01:49:28,000 | 屬於他不必要的業務的部分 |
| 01:49:28,000 | 01:49:30,000 | 我們會再做進一步的精檢 |
| 01:49:30,000 | 01:49:33,000 | 尤其是業務量最多的人事 |
| 01:49:33,000 | 01:49:35,000 | 跟後勤的這個部分 |
| 01:49:35,000 | 01:49:37,000 | 我們會去做全面性的檢討 |
| 01:49:37,000 | 01:49:39,000 | 所以現在聽起來全面性 |
| 01:49:39,000 | 01:49:40,000 | 因為你也有回覆嘛 |
| 01:49:40,000 | 01:49:41,000 | 我當初有講 |
| 01:49:41,000 | 01:49:42,000 | 我當初有講 |
| 01:49:42,000 | 01:49:43,000 | 要調一個資料來 |
| 01:49:43,000 | 01:49:44,000 | 怎麼樣來處理 |
| 01:49:44,000 | 01:49:45,000 | 這個其實寫得蠻精簡 |
| 01:49:45,000 | 01:49:46,000 | 你都很精簡 |
| 01:49:46,000 | 01:49:47,000 | 是很好的啊 |
| 01:49:47,000 | 01:49:48,000 | 不過當然我要追問 |
| 01:49:48,000 | 01:49:50,000 | 總是這一個事情 |
| 01:49:50,000 | 01:49:51,000 | 放在這個地方 |
| 01:49:51,000 | 01:49:53,000 | 這個具體來講 |
| 01:49:53,000 | 01:49:54,000 | 到底降低了多少 |
| 01:49:54,000 | 01:49:55,000 | 我想國防部還是要給 |
| 01:49:55,000 | 01:49:57,000 | 相對一些詳細的說明 |
| 01:49:57,000 | 01:49:58,000 | 舉幾個例子 |
| 01:49:58,000 | 01:50:00,000 | 比如說目前幾個軍種 |
| 01:50:00,000 | 01:50:01,000 | 比如說剛剛你有講到 |
| 01:50:01,000 | 01:50:02,000 | 這個人事後勤 |
| 01:50:02,000 | 01:50:03,000 | 可能是相對文書作業量 |
| 01:50:03,000 | 01:50:04,000 | 非常大的一個地方 |
| 01:50:04,000 | 01:50:05,000 | 那我剛剛提了 |
| 01:50:05,000 | 01:50:08,000 | 為了因應演習的各種資料 |
| 01:50:08,000 | 01:50:10,000 | 相關的參謀等等單位 |
| 01:50:10,000 | 01:50:14,000 | 那你這個回覆質詢的說明之內 |
| 01:50:14,000 | 01:50:15,000 | 你有寫 |
| 01:50:15,000 | 01:50:16,000 | 你說我們現在也會運用 |
| 01:50:16,000 | 01:50:17,000 | 既有的資訊系統 |
| 01:50:17,000 | 01:50:19,000 | 建立共同資料平台 |
| 01:50:19,000 | 01:50:20,000 | 以即時的數據 |
| 01:50:20,000 | 01:50:22,000 | 取代人工彙整跟重複製作 |
| 01:50:22,000 | 01:50:24,000 | 這寫得蠻華麗的 |
| 01:50:24,000 | 01:50:25,000 | 但我有點擔心 |
| 01:50:25,000 | 01:50:27,000 | 你所謂的既有資訊系統 |
| 01:50:27,000 | 01:50:29,000 | 是不是Wallet跟Powerpoint |
| 01:50:29,000 | 01:50:31,000 | 應該有專門的系統吧 |
| 01:50:31,000 | 01:50:32,000 | 對 |
| 01:50:32,000 | 01:50:33,000 | 好的 所以我才講 |
| 01:50:33,000 | 01:50:34,000 | 我說第一個 |
| 01:50:34,000 | 01:50:35,000 | 你要把相關的一些 |
| 01:50:35,000 | 01:50:36,000 | 做更具體的一些說明 |
| 01:50:36,000 | 01:50:39,000 | 第二個我很關心的事情是 |
| 01:50:39,000 | 01:50:41,000 | 這個你從上面要求 |
| 01:50:41,000 | 01:50:44,000 | 因為你今天在立法院的議事堂 |
| 01:50:44,000 | 01:50:45,000 | 大家聽到這樣的一個消息 |
| 01:50:45,000 | 01:50:47,000 | 大家著手來進行處理 |
| 01:50:47,000 | 01:50:48,000 | 但是你講 |
| 01:50:48,000 | 01:50:51,000 | 我從高層要求貫徹落實 |
| 01:50:51,000 | 01:50:53,000 | 跟基層能不能落實 |
| 01:50:53,000 | 01:50:55,000 | 這個恐怕距離很大 |
| 01:50:55,000 | 01:50:56,000 | 我講一個故事 |
| 01:50:56,000 | 01:50:58,000 | 這也是軍中流傳過的鬼故事 |
| 01:50:58,000 | 01:51:00,000 | 曾經在這立法院裡面 |
| 01:51:00,000 | 01:51:02,000 | 也有委員關心行政文書太多的狀況 |
| 01:51:02,000 | 01:51:03,000 | 所以他說 |
| 01:51:03,000 | 01:51:04,000 | 我要用個量化的方式來處理 |
| 01:51:04,000 | 01:51:06,000 | 所以我要看你們用了多少影印紙 |
| 01:51:06,000 | 01:51:07,000 | 對不對 |
| 01:51:07,000 | 01:51:08,000 | 因為你印很多對不對 |
| 01:51:08,000 | 01:51:10,000 | 這個開會大部頭 |
| 01:51:10,000 | 01:51:11,000 | 每個人三百頁 |
| 01:51:11,000 | 01:51:12,000 | 這個紙的消耗量很驚人 |
| 01:51:12,000 | 01:51:14,000 | 所以他就要開始研究這件事 |
| 01:51:14,000 | 01:51:16,000 | 這是一個研究的方法 |
| 01:51:16,000 | 01:51:17,000 | 後來你知道上有政策 |
| 01:51:17,000 | 01:51:19,000 | 下有對策是什麼呢 |
| 01:51:19,000 | 01:51:20,000 | 而且就是紙太多了 |
| 01:51:20,000 | 01:51:23,000 | 結果後來為了避免這個立法院 |
| 01:51:23,000 | 01:51:25,000 | 太研究大家很困擾 |
| 01:51:25,000 | 01:51:27,000 | 很多人乾脆自掏腰包去買紙 |
| 01:51:27,000 | 01:51:29,000 | 這個就是上面的要求 |
| 01:51:29,000 | 01:51:30,000 | 跟下面落實出現了一個 |
| 01:51:30,000 | 01:51:32,000 | 很大的一個斷層跟落差 |
| 01:51:32,000 | 01:51:33,000 | 我們今天講行政減量 |
| 01:51:33,000 | 01:51:34,000 | 大家都贊成 |
| 01:51:34,000 | 01:51:35,000 | 但你怎麼樣去落實 |
| 01:51:35,000 | 01:51:37,000 | 我想才是本席最關心的事情 |
| 01:51:37,000 | 01:51:38,000 | 所以具體來講 |
| 01:51:38,000 | 01:51:39,000 | 打算做什麼 |
| 01:51:39,000 | 01:51:40,000 | 還有你的系統怎麼樣來做推廣 |
| 01:51:40,000 | 01:51:42,000 | 能不能讓基層 |
| 01:51:42,000 | 01:51:43,000 | 能夠充分的使用這些系統 |
| 01:51:43,000 | 01:51:45,000 | 我覺得國防部還要努力一下 |
| 01:51:45,000 | 01:51:47,000 | 你們有什麼具體的計畫 |
| 01:51:47,000 | 01:51:51,000 | 這個部分跟委員做個說明 |
| 01:51:51,000 | 01:51:53,000 | 因為我們接下來是進系統 |
| 01:51:53,000 | 01:51:57,000 | 所以他的那個文是在系統裡面辦 |
| 01:51:57,000 | 01:51:59,000 | 他也不可能在那個系統裡面 |
| 01:51:59,000 | 01:52:01,000 | 去重複印重複做 |
| 01:52:01,000 | 01:52:02,000 | 所以其實我們現在檢討的 |
| 01:52:02,000 | 01:52:03,000 | 另外一個重點 |
| 01:52:03,000 | 01:52:04,000 | 除了系統之外 |
| 01:52:04,000 | 01:52:06,000 | 事實上是專業能力 |
| 01:52:06,000 | 01:52:10,000 | 就是針對各幕僚階層裡面 |
| 01:52:10,000 | 01:52:13,000 | 從少校、中校、上校這個部分 |
| 01:52:13,000 | 01:52:15,000 | 它是不是形成一個連續的脈絡 |
| 01:52:15,000 | 01:52:17,000 | 讓前面的歷練能夠 |
| 01:52:17,000 | 01:52:19,000 | 逐漸的累積他的經驗 |
| 01:52:19,000 | 01:52:20,000 | 配合這一套系統 |
| 01:52:20,000 | 01:52:22,000 | 那未來就可以把他那個文書 |
| 01:52:22,000 | 01:52:25,000 | 做一輛逐漸的降低 |
| 01:52:25,000 | 01:52:26,000 | 當然不可能一次到位 |
| 01:52:26,000 | 01:52:29,000 | 因為人的能力是要逐漸練起來的 |
| 01:52:29,000 | 01:52:30,000 | 所以這個部分 |
| 01:52:30,000 | 01:52:32,000 | 我們也透過整個編裝檢討 |
| 01:52:32,000 | 01:52:35,000 | 在這次防衛兵力結構調整當中 |
| 01:52:35,000 | 01:52:38,000 | 幕僚的部分缺員的 |
| 01:52:38,000 | 01:52:41,000 | 或是他實際做一輛需要增加的 |
| 01:52:41,000 | 01:52:43,000 | 我們都有去做適度的增加 |
| 01:52:43,000 | 01:52:45,000 | 好啦這個我想 |
| 01:52:45,000 | 01:52:47,000 | 我覺得會後做一下說明好了 |
| 01:52:47,000 | 01:52:48,000 | 有一個具體來講 |
| 01:52:48,000 | 01:52:49,000 | 我要哪一些資料或什麼 |
| 01:52:49,000 | 01:52:50,000 | 如果又說我要調很多資料 |
| 01:52:50,000 | 01:52:52,000 | 又形成行政負擔 |
| 01:52:52,000 | 01:52:53,000 | 這也非本級所願 |
| 01:52:53,000 | 01:52:55,000 | 但是我們會非常關心 |
| 01:52:55,000 | 01:52:57,000 | 這整件行政減壓的大方向 |
| 01:52:57,000 | 01:52:59,000 | 到底在基層落實的狀況是什麼 |
| 01:52:59,000 | 01:53:00,000 | 我希望部長也好 |
| 01:53:00,000 | 01:53:01,000 | 市長也好等等 |
| 01:53:01,000 | 01:53:02,000 | 就把這事放在心上 |
| 01:53:02,000 | 01:53:04,000 | 長期來做追蹤 |
| 01:53:04,000 | 01:53:06,000 | 當然我不會去問你用了多少紙 |
| 01:53:06,000 | 01:53:08,000 | 因為用了多少紙他可能就自掏腰包 |
| 01:53:08,000 | 01:53:09,000 | 這問不出個所以然 |
| 01:53:09,000 | 01:53:11,000 | 但是我們會長期的關心這個議題 |
| 01:53:11,000 | 01:53:12,000 | 也希望國防部 |
| 01:53:12,000 | 01:53:13,000 | 這螺絲要栓緊一點 |
| 01:53:13,000 | 01:53:14,000 | 既然要做這事 |
| 01:53:14,000 | 01:53:15,000 | 我們就把它做好 |
| 01:53:15,000 | 01:53:16,000 | 我部長我最後一段時間 |
| 01:53:16,000 | 01:53:17,000 | 我還是提醒一下 |
| 01:53:17,000 | 01:53:18,000 | 不外乎就幾件事 |
| 01:53:18,000 | 01:53:20,000 | 待遇做好環境搞好 |
| 01:53:20,000 | 01:53:23,000 | 那整個國軍的士氣也好 |
| 01:53:23,000 | 01:53:24,000 | 心理的穩定程度才會好 |
| 01:53:24,000 | 01:53:25,000 | 從這樣才是辦法 |
| 01:53:25,000 | 01:53:27,000 | 從根本去抵抗 |
| 01:53:27,000 | 01:53:28,000 | 滲透最重要的原因 |
| 01:53:28,000 | 01:53:29,000 | 最重要的原因 |
| 01:53:29,000 | 01:53:30,000 | 這本席由衷的建議 |
| 01:53:30,000 | 01:53:31,000 | 希望部長好好參採 |
| 01:53:31,000 | 01:53:32,000 | 謝謝 |
| 01:53:32,000 | 01:53:33,000 | 謝謝委員指導 |
| 01:53:33,000 | 01:53:35,000 | 好謝謝劉許廷委員的諮詢 |
| 01:53:39,000 | 01:53:42,000 | 下一位我們請許宗信委員諮詢 |
| 01:53:44,000 | 01:53:45,000 | 謝謝 |
| 01:53:49,000 | 01:53:51,000 | 有請國防部部長 |
| 01:53:51,000 | 01:53:52,000 | 顧部長 |
| 01:53:52,000 | 01:53:53,000 | 顧部長 |
| 01:53:57,000 | 01:53:58,000 | 部長好 |
| 01:53:58,000 | 01:54:00,000 | 任次許委員好 |
| 01:54:01,000 | 01:54:03,000 | 我今天穿這件 |
| 01:54:04,000 | 01:54:05,000 | 飛行夾克 |
| 01:54:05,000 | 01:54:07,000 | 特別帥氣對不對 |
| 01:54:08,000 | 01:54:10,000 | 這件飛行夾克 |
| 01:54:11,000 | 01:54:12,000 | 非賣品 |
| 01:54:13,000 | 01:54:15,000 | 我做了空軍全保會委員 |
| 01:54:15,000 | 01:54:16,000 | 二十幾年 |
| 01:54:17,000 | 01:54:18,000 | 才有這個飛行夾克 |
| 01:54:19,000 | 01:54:21,000 | 各位看到那個 |
| 01:54:21,000 | 01:54:22,000 | 螢幕裡面的 |
| 01:54:23,000 | 01:54:24,000 | 金國浩戰機 |
| 01:54:26,000 | 01:54:27,000 | 我私入 |
| 01:54:27,000 | 01:54:28,000 | 駕駛艙 |
| 01:54:30,000 | 01:54:31,000 | 拍了這個相片 |
| 01:54:32,000 | 01:54:33,000 | 還在LINE裡面 |
| 01:54:33,000 | 01:54:34,000 | 做相片 |
| 01:54:35,000 | 01:54:36,000 | 接到我LINE的 |
| 01:54:36,000 | 01:54:38,000 | 都非常的羨慕我 |
| 01:54:39,000 | 01:54:41,000 | 我是不是有特權去拍 |
| 01:54:42,000 | 01:54:44,000 | 我是受到允許 |
| 01:54:45,000 | 01:54:47,000 | 我們空軍全保會委員 |
| 01:54:47,000 | 01:54:49,000 | 才能夠被允許上去拍照 |
| 01:54:49,000 | 01:54:51,000 | 每一個委員都可以拍照 |
| 01:54:52,000 | 01:54:54,000 | 部長您有聽過 |
| 01:54:54,000 | 01:54:57,000 | 空軍前總司令劉桂麗 |
| 01:54:59,000 | 01:55:00,000 | 各位有聽過 |
| 01:55:00,000 | 01:55:03,000 | 空軍前總司令劉桂麗 |
| 01:55:05,000 | 01:55:06,000 | 很多人沒有聽過 |
| 01:55:10,000 | 01:55:11,000 | 這個 |
| 01:55:13,000 | 01:55:14,000 | 您用 |
| 01:55:15,000 | 01:55:17,000 | 是空軍前總司令 |
| 01:55:17,000 | 01:55:18,000 | 總司令 |
| 01:55:19,000 | 01:55:21,000 | 劉桂麗他們當時所做 |
| 01:55:22,000 | 01:55:24,000 | 送給我們空軍全保會委員 |
| 01:55:25,000 | 01:55:27,000 | 那我們空軍艦額沒有這麼胖的 |
| 01:55:28,000 | 01:55:30,000 | 我懷疑他是根據我的體型做的 |
| 01:55:31,000 | 01:55:34,000 | 這件夾克應該也是根據我的體型定做 |
| 01:55:35,000 | 01:55:37,000 | 因為我們F16的飛行員 |
| 01:55:38,000 | 01:55:39,000 | 沒有我這麼胖的 |
| 01:55:40,000 | 01:55:43,000 | 我坐在那個金國浩戰機裡面的機艙裡面 |
| 01:55:43,000 | 01:55:46,000 | 才感覺到那種飛行員的辛苦 |
| 01:55:47,000 | 01:55:49,000 | 非常的窄小 |
| 01:55:49,000 | 01:55:53,000 | 而要操縱非常複雜的儀器設備 |
| 01:55:53,000 | 01:55:57,000 | 而且要高空急速的飛行 |
| 01:55:57,000 | 01:55:59,000 | 而且要作戰 |
| 01:56:00,000 | 01:56:01,000 | 那種辛苦 |
| 01:56:01,000 | 01:56:04,000 | 我特地進機艙去體驗它 |
| 01:56:05,000 | 01:56:07,000 | 所以空軍全保會委員 |
| 01:56:08,000 | 01:56:09,000 | 我當二十幾年 |
| 01:56:09,000 | 01:56:12,000 | 我穿西裝敢在這裡撒野 |
| 01:56:13,000 | 01:56:15,000 | 但是我穿這件夾克的時候 |
| 01:56:16,000 | 01:56:19,000 | 我絕對跟部長秉持一報 |
| 01:56:21,000 | 01:56:23,000 | 空軍的士氣 |
| 01:56:24,000 | 01:56:27,000 | 您今天報告裡面所講的那些內容 |
| 01:56:28,000 | 01:56:30,000 | 坦白講效用不大 |
| 01:56:31,000 | 01:56:33,000 | 我當過經理官 |
| 01:56:33,000 | 01:56:36,000 | 我知道這種課程效用不大 |
| 01:56:36,000 | 01:56:39,000 | 空軍的權益保障能夠落實 |
| 01:56:40,000 | 01:56:45,000 | 它才是我們的心理士氣提升的重要機制 |
| 01:56:47,000 | 01:56:51,000 | 所以我已當過空軍全保會委員 |
| 01:56:51,000 | 01:56:54,000 | 二十幾年的經驗 |
| 01:56:55,000 | 01:56:56,000 | 為榮 |
| 01:56:57,000 | 01:56:58,000 | 而我當這個委員 |
| 01:56:58,000 | 01:57:01,000 | 不是一般的教授可以有這個機會 |
| 01:57:01,000 | 01:57:02,000 | 而我當這個委員 |
| 01:57:02,000 | 01:57:05,000 | 不是一般的教授可以有這個機會 |
| 01:57:06,000 | 01:57:07,000 | 我2000年回國 |
| 01:57:07,000 | 01:57:10,000 | 2002年台灣加入LTU |
| 01:57:11,000 | 01:57:14,000 | 台灣所有的法律要翻譯成英文 |
| 01:57:14,000 | 01:57:16,000 | 到世界貿易組織 |
| 01:57:16,000 | 01:57:18,000 | 那個英文要怎麼翻譯 |
| 01:57:19,000 | 01:57:21,000 | 我在輔大替法務部 |
| 01:57:22,000 | 01:57:24,000 | 非常用功的翻譯 |
| 01:57:25,000 | 01:57:27,000 | 法務部才跟我講說 |
| 01:57:27,000 | 01:57:30,000 | 許教授許助理教授 |
| 01:57:31,000 | 01:57:34,000 | 空軍全保會有一位孫力委員 |
| 01:57:35,000 | 01:57:37,000 | 他沒辦法再繼續擔任 |
| 01:57:38,000 | 01:57:40,000 | 我們推薦你去空軍當全保會委員 |
| 01:57:40,000 | 01:57:41,000 | 要不要 |
| 01:57:42,000 | 01:57:43,000 | 我說當然同意 |
| 01:57:43,000 | 01:57:45,000 | 這是我最大的榮譽 |
| 01:57:46,000 | 01:57:48,000 | 我們全保會委員開會 |
| 01:57:50,000 | 01:57:52,000 | 教授、律師 |
| 01:57:53,000 | 01:57:57,000 | 有一半是將軍、中將當主席 |
| 01:57:57,000 | 01:57:59,000 | 過了很久一段時間 |
| 01:58:00,000 | 01:58:04,000 | 整一名少將他才能夠練習 |
| 01:58:05,000 | 01:58:08,000 | 士兵、退伍的將領 |
| 01:58:08,000 | 01:58:12,000 | 任何的權益受到有一點委屈 |
| 01:58:12,000 | 01:58:14,000 | 他就申訴 |
| 01:58:14,000 | 01:58:16,000 | 將近十顆星星 |
| 01:58:17,000 | 01:58:19,000 | 包括法律人、律師 |
| 01:58:20,000 | 01:58:23,000 | 將近二十個工作人員 |
| 01:58:23,000 | 01:58:26,000 | 聽一個士兵在那邊練習 |
| 01:58:27,000 | 01:58:28,000 | 聽士兵訴苦 |
| 01:58:28,000 | 01:58:30,000 | 他說我犯的過錯 |
| 01:58:30,000 | 01:58:32,000 | 不應該兩個過 |
| 01:58:32,000 | 01:58:33,000 | 過重 |
| 01:58:34,000 | 01:58:37,000 | 我們就會聽了解他的事實 |
| 01:58:37,000 | 01:58:40,000 | 然後我們這些民間委員 |
| 01:58:40,000 | 01:58:42,000 | 就會跟這些將官報告 |
| 01:58:42,000 | 01:58:44,000 | 這個的確過重 |
| 01:58:44,000 | 01:58:46,000 | 過重的原因 |
| 01:58:47,000 | 01:58:52,000 | 只要弟兄鬧出新聞 |
| 01:58:52,000 | 01:58:55,000 | 上了報總司令就發怒 |
| 01:58:55,000 | 01:58:57,000 | 就會加重處分 |
| 01:58:57,000 | 01:59:00,000 | 然後我們就會將他降下來 |
| 01:59:01,000 | 01:59:05,000 | 很多士兵來到我們委員會申訴以後 |
| 01:59:05,000 | 01:59:07,000 | 我們撤銷原處分 |
| 01:59:08,000 | 01:59:10,000 | 另為適當的處分 |
| 01:59:11,000 | 01:59:15,000 | 很多弟兄痛哭流涕感動的離開 |
| 01:59:16,000 | 01:59:19,000 | 這是我個人覺得我一生裡面 |
| 01:59:20,000 | 01:59:21,000 | 所擔任的角色 |
| 01:59:22,000 | 01:59:24,000 | 非常讓我重視的 |
| 01:59:26,000 | 01:59:28,000 | 部長您覺得 |
| 01:59:29,000 | 01:59:30,000 | 空軍權益保障 |
| 01:59:31,000 | 01:59:32,000 | 陸軍權益保障 |
| 01:59:33,000 | 01:59:34,000 | 海軍權益保障 |
| 01:59:35,000 | 01:59:36,000 | 該如何來提升 |
| 01:59:36,000 | 01:59:37,000 | 我個人認為 |
| 01:59:38,000 | 01:59:40,000 | 今天部長所報告這些課程 |
| 01:59:40,000 | 01:59:44,000 | 很多會用是沒必要的 |
| 01:59:44,000 | 01:59:45,000 | 應該要遵解 |
| 01:59:46,000 | 01:59:48,000 | 把它挪過來 |
| 01:59:48,000 | 01:59:52,000 | 做這種空軍、陸軍、海軍的權益保障 |
| 01:59:52,000 | 01:59:54,000 | 這樣才是比較實際 |
| 01:59:54,000 | 01:59:56,000 | 部長委員報告我們的權益保障 |
| 01:59:56,000 | 01:59:58,000 | 已經有一個重大的變革 |
| 01:59:58,000 | 02:00:00,000 | 那是不是請法律師簡要說明 |
| 02:00:00,000 | 02:00:01,000 | 我知道 |
| 02:00:01,000 | 02:00:03,000 | 因為好久沒有通知我開會 |
| 02:00:03,000 | 02:00:04,000 | 不是 |
| 02:00:04,000 | 02:00:06,000 | 所以你們這個變革我當然知道 |
| 02:00:07,000 | 02:00:08,000 | 我故意不講 |
| 02:00:08,000 | 02:00:10,000 | 是不要讓你們為難 |
| 02:00:10,000 | 02:00:12,000 | 而你們卻自己講 |
| 02:00:12,000 | 02:00:14,000 | 因為好久沒有通知我開會 |
| 02:00:14,000 | 02:00:15,000 | 不是 |
| 02:00:15,000 | 02:00:18,000 | 我本來要把這個好的制度 |
| 02:00:18,000 | 02:00:21,000 | 我當時在空軍全法會 |
| 02:00:21,000 | 02:00:23,000 | 跟很多中將少將報告 |
| 02:00:23,000 | 02:00:24,000 | 我說 |
| 02:00:24,000 | 02:00:26,000 | 我們空軍的武器 |
| 02:00:26,000 | 02:00:29,000 | 不如對岸的武器 |
| 02:00:29,000 | 02:00:31,000 | 我們的F-16 |
| 02:00:31,000 | 02:00:33,000 | 不如他們的 |
| 02:00:33,000 | 02:00:35,000 | 艱激的戰機 |
| 02:00:35,000 | 02:00:38,000 | 我們強的就是我們的士氣 |
| 02:00:38,000 | 02:00:41,000 | 我們替台灣打拼的心 |
| 02:00:41,000 | 02:00:43,000 | 所以權益保障非常重要 |
| 02:00:43,000 | 02:00:45,000 | 後來空軍權益保障委員 |
| 02:00:45,000 | 02:00:46,000 | 他做到什麼程度 |
| 02:00:46,000 | 02:00:50,000 | 做到空軍在招募空軍機械學校 |
| 02:00:50,000 | 02:00:52,000 | 空軍官校的士兵 |
| 02:00:52,000 | 02:00:55,000 | 是用空軍權益保障委員這個機制 |
| 02:00:55,000 | 02:00:58,000 | 做招生的一個文宣品之一 |
| 02:00:58,000 | 02:01:01,000 | 這是我覺得很光榮的地方 |
| 02:01:01,000 | 02:01:02,000 | 你說一下 |
| 02:01:02,000 | 02:01:03,000 | 你請一下 |
| 02:01:03,000 | 02:01:04,000 | 是跟委員報告一下 |
| 02:01:04,000 | 02:01:06,000 | 我是國防部法律處理師師長 |
| 02:01:06,000 | 02:01:08,000 | 我們現在關於權益保障的制度 |
| 02:01:08,000 | 02:01:10,000 | 在委員當權保委員的期間 |
| 02:01:10,000 | 02:01:14,000 | 這屬於是屬於我們行政規則的內部規範 |
| 02:01:14,000 | 02:01:17,000 | 那我們現在為了要讓他有法律的位階 |
| 02:01:17,000 | 02:01:19,000 | 我們在去年我們已經制定了 |
| 02:01:19,000 | 02:01:21,000 | 一個軍人權益事件處理法 |
| 02:01:21,000 | 02:01:24,000 | 把官兵的權益保障提高到法律的位階 |
| 02:01:24,000 | 02:01:27,000 | 那現在官兵的權保會是在 |
| 02:01:27,000 | 02:01:30,000 | 我們設在我們國防部的地方軍事法院 |
| 02:01:30,000 | 02:01:34,000 | 有權保委員一樣是審議官兵的權保案件 |
| 02:01:34,000 | 02:01:36,000 | 要確保官兵的權益 |
| 02:01:36,000 | 02:01:38,000 | 請問有沒有將領參與 |
| 02:01:38,000 | 02:01:42,000 | 我們現在的委員都是部外的專家學者 |
| 02:01:42,000 | 02:01:45,000 | 那沒有我們自己軍方的將領參與 |
| 02:01:45,000 | 02:01:46,000 | 這個就是主要的差異 |
| 02:01:46,000 | 02:01:50,000 | 也就是說權保委員是一半將官 |
| 02:01:50,000 | 02:01:52,000 | 一半是外部學者法律 |
| 02:01:52,000 | 02:01:55,000 | 所以我們就會意見交流 |
| 02:01:55,000 | 02:01:59,000 | 所以空軍他的權保他的內部很多機制 |
| 02:01:59,000 | 02:02:02,000 | 是我們這些民間的學者 |
| 02:02:02,000 | 02:02:05,000 | 跟中將報告 跟少將報告 |
| 02:02:05,000 | 02:02:07,000 | 他們聽進去的去做了改革 |
| 02:02:07,000 | 02:02:12,000 | 而你把這個權益保障完全挪給法律人 |
| 02:02:12,000 | 02:02:16,000 | 法律人對空軍很多內部的管理 |
| 02:02:16,000 | 02:02:18,000 | 根本是員外漢 |
| 02:02:18,000 | 02:02:20,000 | 所以你們 |
| 02:02:20,000 | 02:02:22,000 | 跟委員報告一下 |
| 02:02:22,000 | 02:02:24,000 | 我們內外交流的一個機制 |
| 02:02:24,000 | 02:02:28,000 | 是我們的權保委員是包含各界的專家學者 |
| 02:02:28,000 | 02:02:30,000 | 不包含全部是法律的 |
| 02:02:30,000 | 02:02:31,000 | 對 |
| 02:02:31,000 | 02:02:33,000 | 沒錯 但是你們沒有將領 |
| 02:02:33,000 | 02:02:35,000 | 我們空軍權保法會委員 |
| 02:02:35,000 | 02:02:37,000 | 我今天不是來質問 |
| 02:02:37,000 | 02:02:40,000 | 空軍權益保障委員會為什麼不再開的問題 |
| 02:02:40,000 | 02:02:44,000 | 我是來質詢如何提升士氣 |
| 02:02:44,000 | 02:02:47,000 | 是部長自己請你上來回答 |
| 02:02:47,000 | 02:02:50,000 | 我跟各位報告這個很大的差異 |
| 02:02:50,000 | 02:02:53,000 | 當一半是少將、中將 |
| 02:02:53,000 | 02:02:55,000 | 跟律師坐在一起的時候 |
| 02:02:55,000 | 02:02:59,000 | 我坦白講我到了空軍權保會 |
| 02:02:59,000 | 02:03:02,000 | 我才知道說原來空軍這麼民主 |
| 02:03:02,000 | 02:03:06,000 | 一個中將願意聽一個小兵 |
| 02:03:06,000 | 02:03:08,000 | 一個士兵在那邊訴苦 |
| 02:03:08,000 | 02:03:10,000 | 我在學界 |
| 02:03:10,000 | 02:03:12,000 | 我們助理教授 |
| 02:03:12,000 | 02:03:16,000 | 只要副教授、教授 |
| 02:03:16,000 | 02:03:18,000 | 我講個笑話 |
| 02:03:18,000 | 02:03:20,000 | 印度拉飛修我來一趴會 |
| 02:03:21,000 | 02:03:25,000 | 副教授、教授什麼事情交代我們助理教授 |
| 02:03:25,000 | 02:03:27,000 | 我們都要做不敢吭聲 |
| 02:03:27,000 | 02:03:30,000 | 而我們空軍是做到 |
| 02:03:30,000 | 02:03:33,000 | 中將願意聽士兵來訴苦 |
| 02:03:33,000 | 02:03:36,000 | 這個才是士氣提升 |
| 02:03:36,000 | 02:03:38,000 | 這個才是士氣的提升 |
| 02:03:38,000 | 02:03:39,000 | 所以我個人認為 |
| 02:03:39,000 | 02:03:41,000 | 我不是責怪你們權保會 |
| 02:03:41,000 | 02:03:43,000 | 沒有再繼續的問題 |
| 02:03:43,000 | 02:03:45,000 | 我今天是來質詢 |
| 02:03:45,000 | 02:03:47,000 | 如何士氣提升 |
| 02:03:47,000 | 02:03:50,000 | 也就是說讓我們空軍、陸軍、海軍 |
| 02:03:50,000 | 02:03:52,000 | 他的權力保障 |
| 02:03:52,000 | 02:03:55,000 | 非常的充分合乎法制 |
| 02:03:55,000 | 02:03:57,000 | 每一個人心服口服 |
| 02:03:57,000 | 02:04:01,000 | 我們即使武器比較沒有對岸 |
| 02:04:01,000 | 02:04:03,000 | 那麼的數量多 |
| 02:04:03,000 | 02:04:05,000 | 或是那麼的高科技 |
| 02:04:05,000 | 02:04:09,000 | 我們仍然可以跟他批敵 |
| 02:04:09,000 | 02:04:11,000 | 這是我今天來的主要的 |
| 02:04:11,000 | 02:04:13,000 | 跟各位的訴求 |
| 02:04:13,000 | 02:04:16,000 | 有關我們法律的制度變革 |
| 02:04:16,000 | 02:04:18,000 | 在官兵權益保障的部分 |
| 02:04:18,000 | 02:04:21,000 | 我們會後再跟委員做個充分的說明 |
| 02:04:21,000 | 02:04:23,000 | 好 謝謝部長 |
| 02:04:23,000 | 02:04:25,000 | 謝謝部長 |
| 02:04:25,000 | 02:04:27,000 | 謝謝徐委員質詢 |
| 02:04:29,000 | 02:04:33,000 | 下一位請馬文君委員質詢 |
| 02:04:39,000 | 02:04:41,000 | 謝謝主席麻煩請顧部長 |
| 02:04:41,000 | 02:04:43,000 | 有請顧部長 |
| 02:04:48,000 | 02:04:49,000 | 是 馬偉文 |
| 02:04:49,000 | 02:04:50,000 | 部長好 |
| 02:04:50,000 | 02:04:53,000 | 我們今年的漢光演習 |
| 02:04:53,000 | 02:04:54,000 | 由本日開始 |
| 02:04:54,000 | 02:04:56,000 | 那本席也觀察到了 |
| 02:04:56,000 | 02:04:58,000 | 今年跟往年比較不一樣的地方 |
| 02:04:58,000 | 02:05:00,000 | 在漢光演習之前 |
| 02:05:00,000 | 02:05:05,000 | 國防部除了延續往例的電腦輔助指揮所的演習以外 |
| 02:05:05,000 | 02:05:08,000 | 另外也安插了立即備戰操演 |
| 02:05:08,000 | 02:05:10,000 | 還有聯合防禦操演 |
| 02:05:10,000 | 02:05:12,000 | 也就是六到八月份 |
| 02:05:12,000 | 02:05:16,000 | 我們都舉行一連串的操演訓練 |
| 02:05:16,000 | 02:05:18,000 | 最近氣候非常的炎熱 |
| 02:05:18,000 | 02:05:20,000 | 國軍弟兄也非常的辛苦 |
| 02:05:20,000 | 02:05:22,000 | 我們在很多在馬路上 |
| 02:05:22,000 | 02:05:26,000 | 像我們前天到南部去的時候 |
| 02:05:26,000 | 02:05:29,000 | 其實在路上也看到有非常多的 |
| 02:05:29,000 | 02:05:31,000 | 我們軍用車輛 |
| 02:05:31,000 | 02:05:35,000 | 其實也都在路上穿梭 |
| 02:05:35,000 | 02:05:39,000 | 那我們在這個時候 |
| 02:05:39,000 | 02:05:41,000 | 其實也在此表達問候之意 |
| 02:05:41,000 | 02:05:45,000 | 那因為近年兩岸敵情也非常嚴峻 |
| 02:05:45,000 | 02:05:48,000 | 中共對台灣的灰色地帶威脅也不斷的升高 |
| 02:05:48,000 | 02:05:51,000 | 也由金門、馬祖等外島地區 |
| 02:05:51,000 | 02:05:53,000 | 在台灣的西部 |
| 02:05:53,000 | 02:05:55,000 | 擴展到東部的海域 |
| 02:05:55,000 | 02:05:58,000 | 所以國軍當然在改變演訓方式 |
| 02:05:58,000 | 02:06:01,000 | 還有採購各類新式武器裝備 |
| 02:06:01,000 | 02:06:03,000 | 來因應解放軍的威脅 |
| 02:06:03,000 | 02:06:06,000 | 更重要的我們國軍久訓未戰 |
| 02:06:06,000 | 02:06:08,000 | 面對人數也好 |
| 02:06:08,000 | 02:06:13,000 | 武器裝備還有他的可能軍力的投資 |
| 02:06:13,000 | 02:06:17,000 | 其實都背負於國軍的情況之下 |
| 02:06:17,000 | 02:06:19,000 | 這樣的威脅要怎麼強化 |
| 02:06:19,000 | 02:06:22,000 | 我們官兵敵我意識的精神戰力 |
| 02:06:22,000 | 02:06:24,000 | 還有培養戰場抗壓性 |
| 02:06:24,000 | 02:06:27,000 | 這是今天我們安排專報很重要的原因 |
| 02:06:27,000 | 02:06:30,000 | 所以我們也希望國防部 |
| 02:06:30,000 | 02:06:32,000 | 也可以在這個部分 |
| 02:06:32,000 | 02:06:35,000 | 可以更落實的去考量 |
| 02:06:35,000 | 02:06:37,000 | 或者去強化 |
| 02:06:37,000 | 02:06:39,000 | 不過在這之前 |
| 02:06:39,000 | 02:06:44,000 | 也要有兩個問題要請教部長 |
| 02:06:44,000 | 02:06:49,000 | 就是說像我們剛剛其實有很多的委員 |
| 02:06:49,000 | 02:06:53,000 | 一直都提到我們現在有很多的預算 |
| 02:06:53,000 | 02:06:57,000 | 好像是在野黨還沒有同意通過 |
| 02:06:57,000 | 02:07:01,000 | 可是我們聽到最近大家討論最多的 |
| 02:07:01,000 | 02:07:02,000 | 大概就是無人機 |
| 02:07:02,000 | 02:07:04,000 | 剛剛也有委員提到 |
| 02:07:04,000 | 02:07:06,000 | 無人機的這個部分 |
| 02:07:06,000 | 02:07:10,000 | 我們可以從國防部最早開始投入的 |
| 02:07:10,000 | 02:07:13,000 | 這個發芽研發的這個階段 |
| 02:07:13,000 | 02:07:16,000 | 最早可以追溯到民國83年 |
| 02:07:16,000 | 02:07:18,000 | 1994年的時候 |
| 02:07:18,000 | 02:07:22,000 | 那時候經濟部支持中山科學研究院 |
| 02:07:22,000 | 02:07:25,000 | 來執行這個發展 |
| 02:07:25,000 | 02:07:28,000 | 飛控還有自動駕駛等關鍵技術 |
| 02:07:28,000 | 02:07:30,000 | 後來中科院選擇以無人機 |
| 02:07:30,000 | 02:07:32,000 | 作為技術驗證的平台 |
| 02:07:32,000 | 02:07:35,000 | 發展出中翔二號無人機 |
| 02:07:35,000 | 02:07:37,000 | 這個是在30幾年前 |
| 02:07:37,000 | 02:07:42,000 | 其實政府國防部已經投入了相當的預算跟資源 |
| 02:07:42,000 | 02:07:44,000 | 那我們也開始起步 |
| 02:07:44,000 | 02:07:47,000 | 在這個過程當中30幾年來 |
| 02:07:47,000 | 02:07:49,000 | 其實我們也看到 |
| 02:07:49,000 | 02:07:51,000 | 我們在很多的預算上 |
| 02:07:51,000 | 02:07:54,000 | 不管是從小到大的無人機 |
| 02:07:54,000 | 02:07:56,000 | 不管是兼真型的 |
| 02:07:56,000 | 02:07:57,000 | 不管是攻擊型的 |
| 02:07:57,000 | 02:08:00,000 | 或者其他的反制的無人機 |
| 02:08:00,000 | 02:08:04,000 | 其實中科院也有投入科研 |
| 02:08:04,000 | 02:08:06,000 | 像紅雀、尖兵 |
| 02:08:06,000 | 02:08:08,000 | 還有瑞淵 |
| 02:08:08,000 | 02:08:09,000 | 還有晉峰 |
| 02:08:09,000 | 02:08:11,000 | 你們之前說的巡飛彈 |
| 02:08:11,000 | 02:08:13,000 | 還有像建翔 |
| 02:08:13,000 | 02:08:15,000 | 還有像騰雲 |
| 02:08:15,000 | 02:08:16,000 | 其實很多 |
| 02:08:16,000 | 02:08:19,000 | 而且我們投入的經費也不少 |
| 02:08:19,000 | 02:08:21,000 | 所以我們也希望 |
| 02:08:21,000 | 02:08:24,000 | 不管國防部或者執政黨的委員 |
| 02:08:24,000 | 02:08:26,000 | 在爭取這樣相關預算的時候 |
| 02:08:26,000 | 02:08:28,000 | 不要把它一刀切 |
| 02:08:28,000 | 02:08:30,000 | 因為從30幾年前 |
| 02:08:30,000 | 02:08:32,000 | 我們其實就投入了相當的預算 |
| 02:08:32,000 | 02:08:33,000 | 在執行這些 |
| 02:08:33,000 | 02:08:35,000 | 而且努力到現在 |
| 02:08:35,000 | 02:08:39,000 | 我們現在看到這麼多暴增的預算 |
| 02:08:39,000 | 02:08:41,000 | 我們想要的是 |
| 02:08:41,000 | 02:08:43,000 | 第一要驗證過去 |
| 02:08:43,000 | 02:08:46,000 | 我們從小到大的無人機都做過 |
| 02:08:46,000 | 02:08:47,000 | 也都有研發 |
| 02:08:47,000 | 02:08:50,000 | 當時也都跟我們說非常的成功 |
| 02:08:50,000 | 02:08:52,000 | 那你在這個成功之餘 |
| 02:08:52,000 | 02:08:55,000 | 你可以投入到現在無人載具的發展上面 |
| 02:08:55,000 | 02:08:57,000 | 可以做什麼樣的一個挹注 |
| 02:08:57,000 | 02:08:59,000 | 沒有說得很清楚 |
| 02:08:59,000 | 02:09:02,000 | 那另外在這麼高的預算底下 |
| 02:09:02,000 | 02:09:05,000 | 我們也看到我們從過去驗證 |
| 02:09:05,000 | 02:09:07,000 | 我們希望可以驗證過去 |
| 02:09:07,000 | 02:09:09,000 | 然後你才去投資未來 |
| 02:09:09,000 | 02:09:10,000 | 我們看到的 |
| 02:09:10,000 | 02:09:13,000 | 如果你覺得過去這個是不夠好的 |
| 02:09:13,000 | 02:09:14,000 | 我們到底不足在哪裡 |
| 02:09:14,000 | 02:09:17,000 | 需要什麼樣外部的關鍵技術 |
| 02:09:17,000 | 02:09:18,000 | 也沒有說明清楚 |
| 02:09:18,000 | 02:09:21,000 | 那你一下子就是說要幾千億幾千億的預算 |
| 02:09:21,000 | 02:09:25,000 | 我們不知道要如何讓大家放心的 |
| 02:09:25,000 | 02:09:27,000 | 去通過這麼高的預算 |
| 02:09:27,000 | 02:09:31,000 | 所以就這個部分我們也請大家不要說 |
| 02:09:31,000 | 02:09:35,000 | 一直認為說這是沒有預算的原因 |
| 02:09:35,000 | 02:09:37,000 | 那講到這個部分 |
| 02:09:37,000 | 02:09:41,000 | 我們以一個最近的例子來看 |
| 02:09:41,000 | 02:09:47,000 | 因為以目前賴政府上任兩年多以來 |
| 02:09:47,000 | 02:09:49,000 | 我們的國防預算 |
| 02:09:49,000 | 02:09:51,000 | 從過去我們已經講過很多次 |
| 02:09:51,000 | 02:09:53,000 | 從三千億四千億 |
| 02:09:53,000 | 02:09:58,000 | 到六我們蔡英文總統蔡政府的六千億 |
| 02:09:58,000 | 02:10:01,000 | 到現在的九千多億以外 |
| 02:10:01,000 | 02:10:07,000 | 我們通過了國防的國土認清預算一千多億 |
| 02:10:07,000 | 02:10:09,000 | 我們通過了七千八百億 |
| 02:10:09,000 | 02:10:12,000 | 我們的對美的軍購 |
| 02:10:12,000 | 02:10:15,000 | 我們現在又提出兩千一百億 |
| 02:10:15,000 | 02:10:17,000 | 還加上我們自己公務預算 |
| 02:10:17,000 | 02:10:20,000 | 其實已經高達兩兆 |
| 02:10:21,000 | 02:10:24,000 | 今年又提出很高額的國防預算 |
| 02:10:24,000 | 02:10:27,000 | 我們來看看今天有一個例子 |
| 02:10:27,000 | 02:10:28,000 | 我想請教一下 |
| 02:10:28,000 | 02:10:32,000 | 這個惠敏營區這個部分 |
| 02:10:32,000 | 02:10:35,000 | 剛剛招標了一個 |
| 02:10:35,000 | 02:10:38,000 | 在採購網上面可以查詢到 |
| 02:10:38,000 | 02:10:41,000 | 剛剛絕標辦理室內教室 |
| 02:10:41,000 | 02:10:42,000 | 教育中心大樓 |
| 02:10:42,000 | 02:10:45,000 | 室外訓場以及庫儲設施 |
| 02:10:45,000 | 02:10:48,000 | 等四個工程的規劃設計 |
| 02:10:48,000 | 02:10:51,000 | 建造委託技術服務案 |
| 02:10:51,000 | 02:10:54,000 | 這個預算是在我們認清預算裡面來的 |
| 02:10:54,000 | 02:10:56,000 | 對不對 |
| 02:10:56,000 | 02:10:58,000 | 跟委員報告我是憲兵參謀長 |
| 02:10:58,000 | 02:11:00,000 | 沒關係簡單回應就好 |
| 02:11:00,000 | 02:11:02,000 | 其實這四個案子 |
| 02:11:02,000 | 02:11:04,000 | 他在工程執行的部分 |
| 02:11:04,000 | 02:11:08,000 | 其實高達將近五億的金額 |
| 02:11:08,000 | 02:11:10,000 | 四億五千多萬 |
| 02:11:10,000 | 02:11:13,000 | 其實已經非常高的金額 |
| 02:11:13,000 | 02:11:15,000 | 所以兩年內就要執行完成 |
| 02:11:15,000 | 02:11:18,000 | 因為他是在認清預算裡面編出來的 |
| 02:11:18,000 | 02:11:22,000 | 那這惠敏營區他都是在同一個營區 |
| 02:11:22,000 | 02:11:24,000 | 我們有四個案子 |
| 02:11:24,000 | 02:11:26,000 | 這四個案子為什麼要把它拆成四案 |
| 02:11:26,000 | 02:11:28,000 | 下去招標 |
| 02:11:28,000 | 02:11:31,000 | 因為我們現在絕標的部分是 |
| 02:11:31,000 | 02:11:35,000 | 規劃設計及建造委託的部分 |
| 02:11:35,000 | 02:11:37,000 | 那這麼高的金額 |
| 02:11:37,000 | 02:11:40,000 | 我們為什麼把它拆成四個案子 |
| 02:11:40,000 | 02:11:41,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 02:11:41,000 | 02:11:44,000 | 我們當初是的確是有考慮到 |
| 02:11:44,000 | 02:11:45,000 | 可能考慮不周 |
| 02:11:45,000 | 02:11:47,000 | 然後把它拆成四個案子 |
| 02:11:47,000 | 02:11:49,000 | 因為兩年期怕來不及 |
| 02:11:49,000 | 02:11:51,000 | 那後續下去也會針對這個案子 |
| 02:11:51,000 | 02:11:54,000 | 做一個全班的了解跟檢討 |
| 02:11:54,000 | 02:11:57,000 | 那後續我們會在計伏那部分 |
| 02:11:57,000 | 02:11:58,000 | 會掌握到 |
| 02:11:58,000 | 02:12:02,000 | 按照期程強化旅約督導的評事 |
| 02:12:02,000 | 02:12:04,000 | 那如期如此讓他完成 |
| 02:12:04,000 | 02:12:06,000 | 本席今天先填出來 |
| 02:12:06,000 | 02:12:07,000 | 就是說他不合理的地方 |
| 02:12:07,000 | 02:12:11,000 | 我們現在要請國防部注意的是 |
| 02:12:11,000 | 02:12:12,000 | 因為部長也在 |
| 02:12:12,000 | 02:12:14,000 | 對於法律相關的問題 |
| 02:12:14,000 | 02:12:15,000 | 尤其採購法 |
| 02:12:15,000 | 02:12:16,000 | 這是可以這樣拆的嗎 |
| 02:12:16,000 | 02:12:17,000 | 這是第一點 |
| 02:12:17,000 | 02:12:19,000 | 因為他在同一個營區 |
| 02:12:19,000 | 02:12:20,000 | 在同一個時段 |
| 02:12:20,000 | 02:12:23,000 | 他的預算來源其實都是一樣的 |
| 02:12:23,000 | 02:12:25,000 | 然後像這些相關的 |
| 02:12:25,000 | 02:12:27,000 | 你把它拆成四個案子 |
| 02:12:27,000 | 02:12:29,000 | 而且都是每一個案子 |
| 02:12:29,000 | 02:12:31,000 | 都是999萬 |
| 02:12:31,000 | 02:12:35,000 | 然後由同一個建築師得標 |
| 02:12:35,000 | 02:12:37,000 | 同一天招標 |
| 02:12:37,000 | 02:12:40,000 | 所以像這樣子的一個狀況 |
| 02:12:40,000 | 02:12:41,000 | 這是非常不合理的 |
| 02:12:41,000 | 02:12:43,000 | 因為剛剛我們擔心說 |
| 02:12:43,000 | 02:12:45,000 | 這麼高額4億多的工程 |
| 02:12:45,000 | 02:12:47,000 | 然後我們招標出去 |
| 02:12:47,000 | 02:12:49,000 | 是怕我們沒有辦法完成 |
| 02:12:49,000 | 02:12:52,000 | 可是你同一個建築師得標以後 |
| 02:12:52,000 | 02:12:54,000 | 他要設計四個案子 |
| 02:12:54,000 | 02:12:55,000 | 那你在這麼短 |
| 02:12:55,000 | 02:12:56,000 | 只剩1年多 |
| 02:12:56,000 | 02:12:58,000 | 因為你的旅約的時間 |
| 02:12:58,000 | 02:13:02,000 | 從115年3月5號到116年12月31號 |
| 02:13:02,000 | 02:13:04,000 | 這個只有一年多的時間 |
| 02:13:04,000 | 02:13:08,000 | 你必須要執行4億多的工程預算以外 |
| 02:13:08,000 | 02:13:09,000 | 包括他的設計 |
| 02:13:09,000 | 02:13:11,000 | 因為你裡面還有訓場 |
| 02:13:11,000 | 02:13:13,000 | 像這樣的一個東西 |
| 02:13:13,000 | 02:13:16,000 | 其實他都必須要經過審核 |
| 02:13:16,000 | 02:13:18,000 | 他才可以通過的 |
| 02:13:18,000 | 02:13:21,000 | 那你過去像我們在前身 |
| 02:13:21,000 | 02:13:22,000 | 像我們的兼時營區 |
| 02:13:22,000 | 02:13:24,000 | 其實他都是憲兵的 |
| 02:13:24,000 | 02:13:26,000 | 兼時營區部長也有去剪裁 |
| 02:13:26,000 | 02:13:30,000 | 那個光是他的工程才2億多 |
| 02:13:30,000 | 02:13:32,000 | 他都要做四五年以上 |
| 02:13:32,000 | 02:13:34,000 | 那你這個4億多的工程 |
| 02:13:34,000 | 02:13:36,000 | 你可以一年多就把它執行完成 |
| 02:13:36,000 | 02:13:37,000 | 而且只有一家 |
| 02:13:37,000 | 02:13:38,000 | 你剛剛說因為怕執行不來 |
| 02:13:38,000 | 02:13:40,000 | 所以把它拆成四個案子 |
| 02:13:40,000 | 02:13:42,000 | 這是很矛盾、邏輯不通的 |
| 02:13:42,000 | 02:13:44,000 | 你拆成四個結果有一家得標 |
| 02:13:44,000 | 02:13:47,000 | 那這一家他必須要設計四個案子以外 |
| 02:13:47,000 | 02:13:50,000 | 才去配合一些工程的廠商 |
| 02:13:50,000 | 02:13:53,000 | 這個部分我們現在先點出來 |
| 02:13:53,000 | 02:13:55,000 | 希望先去查查清楚以後 |
| 02:13:55,000 | 02:13:58,000 | 後續應該要怎麼樣做處置 |
| 02:13:58,000 | 02:13:59,000 | 如果他沒有辦法符合我們 |
| 02:13:59,000 | 02:14:01,000 | 因為我們看到我們過去 |
| 02:14:01,000 | 02:14:02,000 | 我們不管長安營區 |
| 02:14:02,000 | 02:14:04,000 | 我們的所有坑子口 |
| 02:14:04,000 | 02:14:06,000 | 我們的軍博館 |
| 02:14:06,000 | 02:14:09,000 | 還有我們所有的訓場動輒都好幾年 |
| 02:14:09,000 | 02:14:12,000 | 而且甚至都有延長工期 |
| 02:14:12,000 | 02:14:14,000 | 那你居然可以這麼高的預算 |
| 02:14:14,000 | 02:14:16,000 | 可以在這麼短的時間執行 |
| 02:14:16,000 | 02:14:18,000 | 那這個部分 |
| 02:14:18,000 | 02:14:20,000 | 第一為什麼拆 |
| 02:14:20,000 | 02:14:22,000 | 為什麼只有一家投標 |
| 02:14:22,000 | 02:14:24,000 | 我們還可以讓他通過 |
| 02:14:24,000 | 02:14:26,000 | 而且他是同一天照標的 |
| 02:14:26,000 | 02:14:30,000 | 這些希望可以後續把它理清楚以後 |
| 02:14:30,000 | 02:14:32,000 | 做一個完整的說明報告 |
| 02:14:32,000 | 02:14:35,000 | 那我今天特別提到這個案子 |
| 02:14:35,000 | 02:14:39,000 | 主要的目的是因為我剛剛念了一堆 |
| 02:14:39,000 | 02:14:41,000 | 很多的預算 |
| 02:14:41,000 | 02:14:44,000 | 我們現在說我們吃東西重不重要 |
| 02:14:44,000 | 02:14:48,000 | 在我們桌上擺滿了食物 |
| 02:14:48,000 | 02:14:52,000 | 今天如果說你一次只能吃多少量 |
| 02:14:52,000 | 02:14:53,000 | 你只能吞多少東西 |
| 02:14:53,000 | 02:14:55,000 | 每一個都很營養沒有錯 |
| 02:14:55,000 | 02:14:58,000 | 可是你在短期之內你就是吞不了 |
| 02:14:58,000 | 02:14:59,000 | 你就是吃不下 |
| 02:14:59,000 | 02:15:02,000 | 所以我們希望在我們所有的 |
| 02:15:02,000 | 02:15:04,000 | 預算的運用上面 |
| 02:15:04,000 | 02:15:07,000 | 因為這個都是大家的血汗錢 |
| 02:15:07,000 | 02:15:10,000 | 大家要怎麼樣去運用這些錢 |
| 02:15:10,000 | 02:15:11,000 | 你編了這麼多 |
| 02:15:11,000 | 02:15:13,000 | 你根本就沒有辦法執行 |
| 02:15:13,000 | 02:15:15,000 | 包括我們的反制無人機的系統 |
| 02:15:15,000 | 02:15:17,000 | 已經三年了 |
| 02:15:17,000 | 02:15:19,000 | 你連九億多都標不出去 |
| 02:15:19,000 | 02:15:22,000 | 你現在又要幾千億幾千億的編 |
| 02:15:22,000 | 02:15:24,000 | 我們不知道要如何去驗證 |
| 02:15:24,000 | 02:15:28,000 | 這個過去的時機讓我們可以相信 |
| 02:15:28,000 | 02:15:30,000 | 本席舉這個例子就是說你 |
| 02:15:30,000 | 02:15:32,000 | 為什麼 |
| 02:15:32,000 | 02:15:35,000 | 它就是倉促提出來的 |
| 02:15:35,000 | 02:15:38,000 | 你兩年要去蓋這幾個東西 |
| 02:15:38,000 | 02:15:40,000 | 不管是整修案還是什麼 |
| 02:15:40,000 | 02:15:44,000 | 你過去有很多都說要經過很多的驗測 |
| 02:15:44,000 | 02:15:46,000 | 還有很多的報告 |
| 02:15:46,000 | 02:15:49,000 | 一拖光是你的專案設計 |
| 02:15:49,000 | 02:15:51,000 | 其實都要拖很長的時間 |
| 02:15:51,000 | 02:15:54,000 | 所以你現在短短60天要把它做出來 |
| 02:15:54,000 | 02:15:56,000 | 我們覺得非常不可思議 |
| 02:15:56,000 | 02:15:58,000 | 所以這個吃快一點看我 |
| 02:15:58,000 | 02:15:59,000 | 今天都看我 |
| 02:15:59,000 | 02:16:00,000 | 這可能會改善 |
| 02:16:00,000 | 02:16:02,000 | 所以不要只是要錢 |
| 02:16:02,000 | 02:16:05,000 | 不要只是說預算要馬上到手 |
| 02:16:05,000 | 02:16:09,000 | 先回頭看看過去我們所有的時機 |
| 02:16:09,000 | 02:16:11,000 | 我們說三十幾年來 |
| 02:16:11,000 | 02:16:13,000 | 我們的無人機不是今天才要做 |
| 02:16:13,000 | 02:16:15,000 | 不是今天才要買 |
| 02:16:15,000 | 02:16:17,000 | 不是今天才有預算 |
| 02:16:17,000 | 02:16:21,000 | 你過去花掉的到底有什麼樣的成果 |
| 02:16:21,000 | 02:16:24,000 | 先讓我們所有的國人清楚的看到 |
| 02:16:24,000 | 02:16:26,000 | 這樣我們才知道在戰場上 |
| 02:16:26,000 | 02:16:28,000 | 能不能發揮作用 |
| 02:16:28,000 | 02:16:30,000 | 所以它不是錢一次到位 |
| 02:16:30,000 | 02:16:32,000 | 或者一次要過多少 |
| 02:16:32,000 | 02:16:35,000 | 而是先讓大家知道你們要怎麼執行 |
| 02:16:35,000 | 02:16:37,000 | 我們現在還擔心的一部分 |
| 02:16:37,000 | 02:16:39,000 | 就是我們花了這麼多的錢 |
| 02:16:39,000 | 02:16:41,000 | 編了這麼多的預算 |
| 02:16:41,000 | 02:16:43,000 | 你的人到底在哪裡 |
| 02:16:43,000 | 02:16:44,000 | 因為我們所有的武器裝備 |
| 02:16:44,000 | 02:16:47,000 | 我們所有的這些需要 |
| 02:16:47,000 | 02:16:49,000 | 你花掉的這些預算 |
| 02:16:49,000 | 02:16:51,000 | 它都需要人去執行 |
| 02:16:51,000 | 02:16:53,000 | 我們現在最大的問題 |
| 02:16:53,000 | 02:16:55,000 | 包括我們的飛行員都不足 |
| 02:16:55,000 | 02:16:57,000 | 這是美軍說的 |
| 02:16:57,000 | 02:16:59,000 | 所以如果你買了一堆 |
| 02:16:59,000 | 02:17:01,000 | 然後我們沒有人 |
| 02:17:01,000 | 02:17:02,000 | 應該要怎麼辦 |
| 02:17:02,000 | 02:17:05,000 | 這也不是單獨漢光演習的時間 |
| 02:17:05,000 | 02:17:08,000 | 而是它現在確實就是存在的問題 |
| 02:17:08,000 | 02:17:12,000 | 我們希望大家好好的去釐清這一些以後 |
| 02:17:12,000 | 02:17:14,000 | 才來告訴我們的國人 |
| 02:17:14,000 | 02:17:18,000 | 當我要花掉你幾千億幾千億的國防預算的時候 |
| 02:17:18,000 | 02:17:20,000 | 大家可以給國軍信心 |
| 02:17:20,000 | 02:17:23,000 | 因為國軍在過去採購的過程當中 |
| 02:17:23,000 | 02:17:25,000 | 也應該要給國人信心 |
| 02:17:25,000 | 02:17:27,000 | 不然我們怕買來的東西 |
| 02:17:27,000 | 02:17:29,000 | 在戰場上如果不能用 |
| 02:17:29,000 | 02:17:31,000 | 或者不好用 |
| 02:17:31,000 | 02:17:33,000 | 或者它根本不能打 |
| 02:17:33,000 | 02:17:35,000 | 其實這才是最大的問題 |
| 02:17:35,000 | 02:17:37,000 | 所以今天我們特別提出來 |
| 02:17:37,000 | 02:17:39,000 | 就剛剛我提到的這個案子 |
| 02:17:39,000 | 02:17:43,000 | 今天沒有很多的時間去說明 |
| 02:17:43,000 | 02:17:46,000 | 可是我們請部長還有我們憲兵參謀長 |
| 02:17:46,000 | 02:17:47,000 | 就這個部分 |
| 02:17:47,000 | 02:17:48,000 | 釐清楚以後 |
| 02:17:48,000 | 02:17:50,000 | 後續的一個作為 |
| 02:17:50,000 | 02:17:52,000 | 還要應該要怎麼去執行 |
| 02:17:52,000 | 02:17:54,000 | 請給出一個說明 |
| 02:17:54,000 | 02:17:57,000 | 還有詳細的一個後續的作為好不好 |
| 02:17:57,000 | 02:17:58,000 | 好 |
| 02:17:58,000 | 02:17:59,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 02:17:59,000 | 02:18:00,000 | 我們要了解 |
| 02:18:00,000 | 02:18:01,000 | 部長要說明嗎 |
| 02:18:01,000 | 02:18:02,000 | 沒有 |
| 02:18:02,000 | 02:18:04,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 02:18:05,000 | 02:18:07,000 | 接下來馬委員的質詢 |
| 02:18:07,000 | 02:18:11,000 | 下面我們請黃建斌委員質詢 |
| 02:18:15,000 | 02:18:17,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 02:18:22,000 | 02:18:24,000 | 好謝謝主席 |
| 02:18:24,000 | 02:18:26,000 | 我們有請國防部長 |
| 02:18:26,000 | 02:18:28,000 | 有請郭部長 |
| 02:18:34,000 | 02:18:36,000 | 是黃委員 |
| 02:18:36,000 | 02:18:38,000 | 部長早安 |
| 02:18:38,000 | 02:18:39,000 | 部長我先請教部長 |
| 02:18:39,000 | 02:18:41,000 | 部長最近網路上流傳一個 |
| 02:18:41,000 | 02:18:44,000 | 憲兵快速運動射擊的影片 |
| 02:18:44,000 | 02:18:46,000 | 那影片裡面那個射手移動的時候是 |
| 02:18:46,000 | 02:18:48,000 | 一手拿彈匣 |
| 02:18:48,000 | 02:18:49,000 | 在跑步 |
| 02:18:49,000 | 02:18:53,000 | 部長這個動作看起來有點像投降的動作 |
| 02:18:53,000 | 02:18:55,000 | 部長你知道這件事情嗎 |
| 02:18:55,000 | 02:18:57,000 | 我沒有看過那個這個 |
| 02:18:57,000 | 02:18:58,000 | 您說影片嗎 |
| 02:18:58,000 | 02:19:00,000 | 影片一個訓練的影片 |
| 02:19:00,000 | 02:19:01,000 | 沒有我沒有看過 |
| 02:19:01,000 | 02:19:02,000 | 參謀長 |
| 02:19:02,000 | 02:19:03,000 | 有 |
| 02:19:03,000 | 02:19:04,000 | 參謀長 |
| 02:19:04,000 | 02:19:06,000 | 跟委員報告一下 |
| 02:19:06,000 | 02:19:08,000 | 這個有關這個影片 |
| 02:19:08,000 | 02:19:11,000 | 我們在當初是安全軍官 |
| 02:19:11,000 | 02:19:13,000 | 為了避免被射擊 |
| 02:19:13,000 | 02:19:15,000 | 我們在當初是安全軍官 |
| 02:19:15,000 | 02:19:17,000 | 為了避免被射擊 |
| 02:19:17,000 | 02:19:18,000 | 我們在當初是安全軍官 |
| 02:19:18,000 | 02:19:20,000 | 為了避免在運動射擊的時候造成 |
| 02:19:20,000 | 02:19:22,000 | 官兵會受傷 |
| 02:19:22,000 | 02:19:24,000 | 或是那個這個 |
| 02:19:24,000 | 02:19:26,000 | 產生一些問題 |
| 02:19:26,000 | 02:19:28,000 | 所以他要求他左手要拿著彈匣 |
| 02:19:28,000 | 02:19:30,000 | 經過那個影片出來之後 |
| 02:19:30,000 | 02:19:32,000 | 我們的確也做了個檢討 |
| 02:19:32,000 | 02:19:34,000 | 然後在檢討之後 |
| 02:19:34,000 | 02:19:36,000 | 我們現在所有的在訓練之前 |
| 02:19:36,000 | 02:19:39,000 | 會請安全軍官先做個示範 |
| 02:19:39,000 | 02:19:41,000 | 實施這個運動射擊 |
| 02:19:41,000 | 02:19:43,000 | 目前也不會有這個動作出現 |
| 02:19:43,000 | 02:19:45,000 | 這我本來本來想問說 |
| 02:19:45,000 | 02:19:48,000 | 這是你們標準動作還是忽然間加上去的 |
| 02:19:48,000 | 02:19:50,000 | 因為這動作其實很奇怪 |
| 02:19:50,000 | 02:19:53,000 | 它不是射擊的動作 |
| 02:19:53,000 | 02:19:55,000 | 是準備動作對不對 |
| 02:19:55,000 | 02:19:56,000 | 它是50公尺 |
| 02:19:56,000 | 02:19:59,000 | 那往前面跑總共有三個點 |
| 02:19:59,000 | 02:20:02,000 | 那三個點這跑的過程之中 |
| 02:20:02,000 | 02:20:04,000 | 他把彈匣拿出來 |
| 02:20:04,000 | 02:20:06,000 | 所以說會非常奇怪 |
| 02:20:06,000 | 02:20:08,000 | 應該是到這個線的時候 |
| 02:20:08,000 | 02:20:09,000 | 再把彈匣拿出來 |
| 02:20:09,000 | 02:20:10,000 | 這實施射擊 |
| 02:20:10,000 | 02:20:11,000 | 因為我們就算看 |
| 02:20:11,000 | 02:20:13,000 | 沒有真的當過兵去 |
| 02:20:13,000 | 02:20:17,000 | 先看影片的也是到現場才會裝彈匣 |
| 02:20:17,000 | 02:20:20,000 | 然後還在擊發嘛對不對 |
| 02:20:20,000 | 02:20:23,000 | 所以其實我們很好奇 |
| 02:20:23,000 | 02:20:24,000 | 當時看到影片很好奇說 |
| 02:20:24,000 | 02:20:26,000 | 其實我們是當然我們要 |
| 02:20:26,000 | 02:20:28,000 | 訓練讓官兵接近實戰是沒有錯 |
| 02:20:28,000 | 02:20:31,000 | 可是不是要貼近這個實戰的投降動作 |
| 02:20:31,000 | 02:20:32,000 | 所以這個部分 |
| 02:20:32,000 | 02:20:34,000 | 我想部裡面這邊也有知道 |
| 02:20:34,000 | 02:20:36,000 | 以後我想就避免這樣的情況 |
| 02:20:36,000 | 02:20:37,000 | 最重要是要讓官兵知道 |
| 02:20:37,000 | 02:20:39,000 | 不然他會很納悶說 |
| 02:20:39,000 | 02:20:40,000 | 那我為什麼要做這個動作 |
| 02:20:41,000 | 02:20:43,000 | 本席這樣講沒有錯啦 |
| 02:20:43,000 | 02:20:46,000 | 好 各位報告我們已經做了檢討 |
| 02:20:46,000 | 02:20:47,000 | 而且修正了 |
| 02:20:47,000 | 02:20:48,000 | 好 謝謝 謝謝 |
| 02:20:48,000 | 02:20:50,000 | 那我們回到今天的專報就是說 |
| 02:20:50,000 | 02:20:53,000 | 我們國防部上個月28日開了記者會 |
| 02:20:53,000 | 02:20:55,000 | 那宣布今年的這個漢光演習的 |
| 02:20:55,000 | 02:20:58,000 | 這個實兵演練要進行十天九夜 |
| 02:20:58,000 | 02:21:00,000 | 從7月27、7月29 |
| 02:21:00,000 | 02:21:03,000 | 那也安排了這個精神戰力的相關訓練 |
| 02:21:03,000 | 02:21:08,000 | 那從總統國防部長到參謀總長 |
| 02:21:08,000 | 02:21:11,000 | 然後參謀總長分別錄製這個談話 |
| 02:21:11,000 | 02:21:14,000 | 然後再加上這個立即戰備 |
| 02:21:14,000 | 02:21:15,000 | 還有聯合演訓的安排 |
| 02:21:15,000 | 02:21:19,000 | 我想國軍現在幾乎是越來越有操練 |
| 02:21:19,000 | 02:21:20,000 | 既有演訓 |
| 02:21:20,000 | 02:21:23,000 | 然後免得還有兩次的漢光演習 |
| 02:21:23,000 | 02:21:25,000 | 那經過這一次演算的這個演練 |
| 02:21:25,000 | 02:21:26,000 | 我相信大部分的官兵 |
| 02:21:26,000 | 02:21:28,000 | 都能夠感受到這個敵情升高 |
| 02:21:28,000 | 02:21:29,000 | 灰色地帶威脅 |
| 02:21:29,000 | 02:21:31,000 | 已經越來越頻繁這件事情 |
| 02:21:31,000 | 02:21:32,000 | 也越來越迫切 |
| 02:21:32,000 | 02:21:34,000 | 所以這幾年我們國防部 |
| 02:21:34,000 | 02:21:36,000 | 也不斷的提出這個年度預算 |
| 02:21:36,000 | 02:21:38,000 | 還有特別預算推動人工智慧 |
| 02:21:38,000 | 02:21:40,000 | 現代化的指管系統 |
| 02:21:40,000 | 02:21:42,000 | 代表的儲存、後勤的補給 |
| 02:21:42,000 | 02:21:43,000 | 多元的通訊 |
| 02:21:43,000 | 02:21:45,000 | 甚至也整合了民間這些 |
| 02:21:45,000 | 02:21:48,000 | 自通訊這些關鍵的基礎設施 |
| 02:21:48,000 | 02:21:50,000 | 我想這些外在戰力的強化 |
| 02:21:50,000 | 02:21:53,000 | 當然就是代表國家有保護自己的決心 |
| 02:21:53,000 | 02:21:54,000 | 但更重要的是說 |
| 02:21:54,000 | 02:21:57,000 | 我們國軍的精神戰力跟抗敵意志 |
| 02:21:57,000 | 02:21:59,000 | 也要同步的戰化 |
| 02:21:59,000 | 02:22:00,000 | 應該是這樣嘛 |
| 02:22:00,000 | 02:22:03,000 | 所以像部長相信你也感受得到 |
| 02:22:03,000 | 02:22:05,000 | 對啦,講的應該最有感嘛 |
| 02:22:05,000 | 02:22:06,000 | 對不對 |
| 02:22:06,000 | 02:22:08,000 | 所以我想請問部長說 |
| 02:22:08,000 | 02:22:10,000 | 我們國防部現在對於官軍 |
| 02:22:10,000 | 02:22:13,000 | 官兵的精神戰力跟心理任性的訓練 |
| 02:22:13,000 | 02:22:17,000 | 有沒有一套具體可以衡量的制度 |
| 02:22:17,000 | 02:22:19,000 | 還是說還是停留在我當兵的時候 |
| 02:22:19,000 | 02:22:21,000 | 是精神喊話 |
| 02:22:21,000 | 02:22:24,000 | 還是政戰教育這一套,有沒有 |
| 02:22:24,000 | 02:22:27,000 | 你現在因為委員所詢問的 |
| 02:22:27,000 | 02:22:28,000 | 有兩個方面 |
| 02:22:28,000 | 02:22:31,000 | 一個是他的抗壓性 |
| 02:22:31,000 | 02:22:35,000 | 另外一個是他的抗敵的意志 |
| 02:22:35,000 | 02:22:37,000 | 或者是敵我的認同等等 |
| 02:22:37,000 | 02:22:40,000 | 這兩個可能是不一樣的面向 |
| 02:22:40,000 | 02:22:44,000 | 所以應該從這兩個不同的面向來努力 |
| 02:22:44,000 | 02:22:49,000 | 委員所詢問的是比較偏向於是 |
| 02:22:53,000 | 02:22:56,000 | 我們今天的主題不是要強化 |
| 02:22:56,000 | 02:23:00,000 | 精神戰力跟心理任性嗎 |
| 02:23:00,000 | 02:23:02,000 | 我們現在有沒有一套比較具體 |
| 02:23:02,000 | 02:23:04,000 | 可以衡量的制度 |
| 02:23:04,000 | 02:23:06,000 | 因為以前本席在服役的時候 |
| 02:23:06,000 | 02:23:09,000 | 都是我們透過每個禮拜四的舉光日 |
| 02:23:09,000 | 02:23:11,000 | 然後大家精神喊話這樣子 |
| 02:23:11,000 | 02:23:13,000 | 那現在有沒有更具體的 |
| 02:23:13,000 | 02:23:15,000 | 對,如果委員著重的 |
| 02:23:15,000 | 02:23:16,000 | 我如果理解沒有錯的話 |
| 02:23:16,000 | 02:23:20,000 | 應該是增強官兵臨戰抗壓的心理素質 |
| 02:23:20,000 | 02:23:21,000 | 這一個部分 |
| 02:23:21,000 | 02:23:24,000 | 那剛剛也有這個委員 |
| 02:23:24,000 | 02:23:26,000 | 其他委員來指導 |
| 02:23:26,000 | 02:23:29,000 | 就是說我們現在當然是有做一些訓拳 |
| 02:23:29,000 | 02:23:35,000 | 跟訓斥的一個一個一個一個問卷調查 |
| 02:23:35,000 | 02:23:38,000 | 那麼這些有關相關的這些 |
| 02:23:38,000 | 02:23:39,000 | 問卷的這個調查 |
| 02:23:39,000 | 02:23:42,000 | 就包括訓後的檢討的這個部分 |
| 02:23:42,000 | 02:23:46,000 | 我們現在委員有指導 |
| 02:23:46,000 | 02:23:48,000 | 我想我們已經是有 |
| 02:23:48,000 | 02:23:50,000 | 但是如何能夠來更精進 |
| 02:23:50,000 | 02:23:53,000 | 特別是對於面對這個 |
| 02:23:53,000 | 02:23:56,000 | 極大的這個戰場上的壓力的這個部分 |
| 02:23:56,000 | 02:24:00,000 | 那如何能夠來進一步的來做 |
| 02:24:00,000 | 02:24:02,000 | 這件事情我想我下去之後 |
| 02:24:02,000 | 02:24:05,000 | 我跟他們來進行一個討論 |
| 02:24:05,000 | 02:24:07,000 | 然後委員希望有一個 |
| 02:24:07,000 | 02:24:09,000 | 比較有一個客觀 |
| 02:24:09,000 | 02:24:12,000 | 或者科技的一個數據的檢測 |
| 02:24:12,000 | 02:24:16,000 | 那我想我們來檢視這個相關 |
| 02:24:16,000 | 02:24:19,000 | 包含美方他們的這個做法 |
| 02:24:19,000 | 02:24:21,000 | 我們來檢討 |
| 02:24:21,000 | 02:24:23,000 | 因為我們知道精神戰力 |
| 02:24:23,000 | 02:24:24,000 | 不只是一個口號 |
| 02:24:24,000 | 02:24:26,000 | 因為他關係到官兵到底是 |
| 02:24:26,000 | 02:24:29,000 | 他知道自己是為何而戰為誰而戰 |
| 02:24:29,000 | 02:24:31,000 | 那也關係到遇到了壓力的時候 |
| 02:24:31,000 | 02:24:33,000 | 遇到危機的時候 |
| 02:24:33,000 | 02:24:36,000 | 我們真正真正面對到戰場環境的時候 |
| 02:24:36,000 | 02:24:38,000 | 能不能夠扛得住 |
| 02:24:38,000 | 02:24:40,000 | 那穩住心智完成任務 |
| 02:24:40,000 | 02:24:42,000 | 我想這一點部長應該也是認同 |
| 02:24:42,000 | 02:24:44,000 | 那再來我想針對我們今天漢光演習期間 |
| 02:24:44,000 | 02:24:46,000 | 要做這個城鎮任性的演訓 |
| 02:24:46,000 | 02:24:48,000 | 我們光是演練的地區的安排 |
| 02:24:48,000 | 02:24:51,000 | 就引發了不少的這個爭議 |
| 02:24:51,000 | 02:24:53,000 | 那也有委員也有問過就是說 |
| 02:24:53,000 | 02:24:55,000 | 那為什麼會區域的選擇 |
| 02:24:55,000 | 02:24:59,000 | 那一開始國防部說是擔心投資人的股市交易 |
| 02:24:59,000 | 02:25:01,000 | 然後又到了漢光的記者會 |
| 02:25:01,000 | 02:25:03,000 | 又改口說南部地區先前 |
| 02:25:03,000 | 02:25:05,000 | 說到八八風災啊 |
| 02:25:05,000 | 02:25:07,000 | 丹尼斯颱風天然災的影響 |
| 02:25:07,000 | 02:25:09,000 | 已經體驗過類似的情境 |
| 02:25:09,000 | 02:25:11,000 | 所以不納入 |
| 02:25:11,000 | 02:25:13,000 | 在這次城鎮任性的這個演訓裡面 |
| 02:25:13,000 | 02:25:16,000 | 那部長這樣一個演訓規劃的問題 |
| 02:25:16,000 | 02:25:18,000 | 前後說法都不一樣 |
| 02:25:18,000 | 02:25:19,000 | 到底是怎麼一回事 |
| 02:25:19,000 | 02:25:21,000 | 所以我想要請教部長就是說 |
| 02:25:21,000 | 02:25:23,000 | 為什麼要做這樣的演練 |
| 02:25:23,000 | 02:25:25,000 | 那目的是為什麼 |
| 02:25:25,000 | 02:25:27,000 | 那如果說只是讓民眾體驗 |
| 02:25:27,000 | 02:25:29,000 | 不能上網那這樣一個重大 |
| 02:25:29,000 | 02:25:31,000 | 涉及全國的演習 |
| 02:25:31,000 | 02:25:33,000 | 目標會不會設定的太小一點 |
| 02:25:33,000 | 02:25:35,000 | 那因為我們國防部一直說2027很重要 |
| 02:25:35,000 | 02:25:37,000 | 2027很重要任性很重要 |
| 02:25:37,000 | 02:25:39,000 | 那我想要請問就是說 |
| 02:25:39,000 | 02:25:41,000 | 到了2027我們的國防任性 |
| 02:25:41,000 | 02:25:43,000 | 到底要達到什麼樣的程度 |
| 02:25:43,000 | 02:25:45,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 02:25:45,000 | 02:25:47,000 | 我想可能要讓委員了解 |
| 02:25:47,000 | 02:25:49,000 | 您剛剛講那些說 |
| 02:25:49,000 | 02:25:51,000 | 國防部說什麼樣什麼樣 |
| 02:25:51,000 | 02:25:53,000 | 這都不是國防部說的 |
| 02:25:53,000 | 02:25:55,000 | 因為國防部不是這一次的 |
| 02:25:55,000 | 02:25:57,000 | 行動網路降速的一個 |
| 02:25:57,000 | 02:25:59,000 | 全責主管機關 |
| 02:25:59,000 | 02:26:01,000 | 我想這個涉及跨部會的部分 |
| 02:26:01,000 | 02:26:03,000 | 那部長部裡面這邊 |
| 02:26:03,000 | 02:26:05,000 | 大概了解到什麼程度 |
| 02:26:05,000 | 02:26:07,000 | 為什麼會這樣改來改去 |
| 02:26:07,000 | 02:26:09,000 | 那我們的部分當然就是說 |
| 02:26:09,000 | 02:26:11,000 | 他全社會防衛任性結合 |
| 02:26:11,000 | 02:26:13,000 | 我們的漢光演習 |
| 02:26:13,000 | 02:26:15,000 | 所以是在漢光演習的實施期間 |
| 02:26:15,000 | 02:26:17,000 | 依照漢光演習的一個進展 |
| 02:26:17,000 | 02:26:21,000 | 來加強我們全民的防衛意識 |
| 02:26:21,000 | 02:26:25,000 | 那所以才會有這樣子的一個說明 |
| 02:26:25,000 | 02:26:27,000 | 就是說可能在 |
| 02:26:27,000 | 02:26:30,000 | 面臨緊急狀況之下確實會有這個狀況發生 |
| 02:26:30,000 | 02:26:33,000 | 那所以讓民眾能夠理解 |
| 02:26:33,000 | 02:26:35,000 | 然後讓民眾能夠知道說 |
| 02:26:35,000 | 02:26:37,000 | 有這樣子的一種 |
| 02:26:37,000 | 02:26:41,000 | 就是遇到戰爭沒有網路的過程這樣子 |
| 02:26:41,000 | 02:26:43,000 | 其實這個也不用遠訊 |
| 02:26:43,000 | 02:26:45,000 | 你把網路關掉大家都知道啦 |
| 02:26:45,000 | 02:26:47,000 | 所以部長本席要了解說 |
| 02:26:47,000 | 02:26:49,000 | 我們如果一直在 |
| 02:26:49,000 | 02:26:53,000 | 本席要強調說我們一直強調2027很重要 |
| 02:26:53,000 | 02:26:55,000 | 那我們國防的任性 |
| 02:26:55,000 | 02:26:57,000 | 到2027我們要達到一個怎麼樣的程度 |
| 02:26:57,000 | 02:26:59,000 | 當然我們在這一次的演習裡面 |
| 02:26:59,000 | 02:27:01,000 | 民眾有體驗到真的遇到戰時的時候 |
| 02:27:01,000 | 02:27:03,000 | 他的網路速度會下降 |
| 02:27:03,000 | 02:27:05,000 | 甚至完全沒有通訊 |
| 02:27:05,000 | 02:27:07,000 | 那在這一個過程裡面 |
| 02:27:07,000 | 02:27:09,000 | 我們收集到的資訊 |
| 02:27:09,000 | 02:27:11,000 | 那包括未來我們要怎麼因應 |
| 02:27:11,000 | 02:27:13,000 | 如果面對這件事情我們要做什麼 |
| 02:27:13,000 | 02:27:15,000 | 這樣才是新的 |
| 02:27:15,000 | 02:27:17,000 | 就我們國軍 |
| 02:27:17,000 | 02:27:19,000 | 單就我們國軍來講 |
| 02:27:19,000 | 02:27:21,000 | 我們國軍就會按照我們所謂的PACE |
| 02:27:21,000 | 02:27:23,000 | 就是PACE |
| 02:27:23,000 | 02:27:25,000 | 我們這個主要次要應急跟緊急 |
| 02:27:25,000 | 02:27:27,000 | 我們本來就是 |
| 02:27:27,000 | 02:27:29,000 | 我們國軍本身就要去模擬 |
| 02:27:29,000 | 02:27:33,000 | 行動網路可能會在斷掉的情況之下 |
| 02:27:33,000 | 02:27:35,000 | 我們的替代方案是什麼 |
| 02:27:35,000 | 02:27:37,000 | 那甚至我們這個替代方案 |
| 02:27:37,000 | 02:27:39,000 | 還會在斷掉的情況之下 |
| 02:27:39,000 | 02:27:41,000 | 我們這一個應急的是什麼 |
| 02:27:41,000 | 02:27:43,000 | 緊急的狀況是什麼 |
| 02:27:43,000 | 02:27:45,000 | 這本來就是我們所有的 |
| 02:27:45,000 | 02:27:47,000 | 不管是通訊還是直管的系統裡面 |
| 02:27:47,000 | 02:27:49,000 | 都要去演練的一個項目 |
| 02:27:49,000 | 02:27:53,000 | 那現在將全社會防衛認識納進來之後 |
| 02:27:53,000 | 02:27:55,000 | 是讓民眾能夠了解 |
| 02:27:55,000 | 02:27:57,000 | 事實上是有 |
| 02:27:57,000 | 02:27:59,000 | 發生這種狀況的可能性 |
| 02:27:59,000 | 02:28:01,000 | 那當然一開始的時候 |
| 02:28:01,000 | 02:28:03,000 | 這個實施的這個 |
| 02:28:03,000 | 02:28:05,000 | 強度跟實施的地區 |
| 02:28:05,000 | 02:28:07,000 | 也許一開始 |
| 02:28:07,000 | 02:28:09,000 | 我想有一些考量 |
| 02:28:09,000 | 02:28:11,000 | 那我想我的理解是 |
| 02:28:11,000 | 02:28:13,000 | 最後應該是會全面擴及到 |
| 02:28:13,000 | 02:28:15,000 | 全國的地區這樣子 |
| 02:28:15,000 | 02:28:17,000 | 所以我覺得演習最終目的是 |
| 02:28:17,000 | 02:28:19,000 | 透過演習的過程 |
| 02:28:19,000 | 02:28:21,000 | 演習的過程裡面 |
| 02:28:21,000 | 02:28:23,000 | 去模擬情況我們會設定一個解決的方案 |
| 02:28:23,000 | 02:28:25,000 | 所以我們才有演訓嘛對不對 |
| 02:28:25,000 | 02:28:27,000 | 對所以像這一次 |
| 02:28:27,000 | 02:28:29,000 | 那大家就會知道說 |
| 02:28:29,000 | 02:28:31,000 | 那在醫療 |
| 02:28:31,000 | 02:28:33,000 | 在金融 |
| 02:28:33,000 | 02:28:35,000 | 在這個交通 |
| 02:28:35,000 | 02:28:37,000 | 還有 |
| 02:28:37,000 | 02:28:39,000 | 救災也有嘛 |
| 02:28:39,000 | 02:28:41,000 | 這些部分 |
| 02:28:41,000 | 02:28:43,000 | 治安救災等等 |
| 02:28:43,000 | 02:28:45,000 | 都有可能面臨這些狀況 |
| 02:28:45,000 | 02:28:47,000 | 各部會所以這是跨部會 |
| 02:28:47,000 | 02:28:49,000 | 我再說明為什麼這由行政院來主管 |
| 02:28:49,000 | 02:28:51,000 | 因為這是整個跨部會 |
| 02:28:51,000 | 02:28:53,000 | 在面臨這個狀況之下 |
| 02:28:53,000 | 02:28:55,000 | 他們要做的一個準備計畫 |
| 02:28:55,000 | 02:28:57,000 | 那我想我們國軍的部分 |
| 02:28:57,000 | 02:28:59,000 | 是一直在演訓當中 |
| 02:28:59,000 | 02:29:01,000 | 我相信部裡面應該也有得到一些 |
| 02:29:01,000 | 02:29:03,000 | 心得包括說真的發生了 |
| 02:29:03,000 | 02:29:05,000 | 說我們要怎麼來整個各部會 |
| 02:29:05,000 | 02:29:07,000 | 對我們現在還有進一步課題 |
| 02:29:07,000 | 02:29:09,000 | 就是軍民整合協調 |
| 02:29:09,000 | 02:29:11,000 | 的這個部分你會涉及到說 |
| 02:29:11,000 | 02:29:13,000 | 以後在緊急狀況之下 |
| 02:29:13,000 | 02:29:15,000 | 我們需要靠民間部會 |
| 02:29:15,000 | 02:29:17,000 | 跟民間部會來進行協調 |
| 02:29:17,000 | 02:29:19,000 | 資源的這個運用 |
| 02:29:19,000 | 02:29:21,000 | 等等這些 |
| 02:29:21,000 | 02:29:23,000 | 那軍民的網路 |
| 02:29:23,000 | 02:29:25,000 | 斷掉就是說網路斷掉 |
| 02:29:25,000 | 02:29:27,000 | 之下軍民的整合協調 |
| 02:29:27,000 | 02:29:29,000 | 本身就是一個課題 |
| 02:29:29,000 | 02:29:31,000 | 那這個確實是現在全世界 |
| 02:29:31,000 | 02:29:33,000 | 防衛人心結合漢光的 |
| 02:29:33,000 | 02:29:35,000 | 一個重要的背景意義 |
| 02:29:35,000 | 02:29:37,000 | 相信這一次的演習 |
| 02:29:37,000 | 02:29:39,000 | 應該也給我們國防部這邊 |
| 02:29:39,000 | 02:29:41,000 | 還有各部會得到很多的訊息 |
| 02:29:41,000 | 02:29:43,000 | 在未來遇到這樣的情況要怎麼做 |
| 02:29:43,000 | 02:29:45,000 | 那我們講到說部隊 |
| 02:29:45,000 | 02:29:47,000 | 還是回到作戰嘛那部隊 |
| 02:29:47,000 | 02:29:49,000 | 能不能夠持續作戰其實最終的 |
| 02:29:49,000 | 02:29:51,000 | 目的還是要回到人嘛 |
| 02:29:51,000 | 02:29:53,000 | 我們還要談到人這塊人力這一塊 |
| 02:29:53,000 | 02:29:55,000 | 可是我們目前的主戰的部隊 |
| 02:29:55,000 | 02:29:57,000 | 邊線比大概的七到八成 |
| 02:29:57,000 | 02:29:59,000 | 那其中部隊甚至更低 |
| 02:29:59,000 | 02:30:01,000 | 那我想我們國軍 |
| 02:30:01,000 | 02:30:03,000 | 雖然努力在做招募 |
| 02:30:03,000 | 02:30:05,000 | 也有小輔調整軍政待遇 |
| 02:30:05,000 | 02:30:07,000 | 但是機制人力其實相當吃緊 |
| 02:30:07,000 | 02:30:09,000 | 那既然你連續平反的演訓 |
| 02:30:09,000 | 02:30:11,000 | 還要推動 |
| 02:30:11,000 | 02:30:13,000 | 數位化的轉型 |
| 02:30:13,000 | 02:30:15,000 | 西式裝備的換裝我想官兵的壓力 |
| 02:30:15,000 | 02:30:17,000 | 一定會更重所以我們 |
| 02:30:17,000 | 02:30:19,000 | 講更白一點說現在 |
| 02:30:19,000 | 02:30:21,000 | 壓力已經很重了搞不好還沒 |
| 02:30:21,000 | 02:30:23,000 | 到打仗部隊就先被 |
| 02:30:23,000 | 02:30:25,000 | 我們內號這邊 |
| 02:30:25,000 | 02:30:27,000 | 拖垮了那本席 |
| 02:30:27,000 | 02:30:29,000 | 其實前幾天質詢的時候也一直關心我們 |
| 02:30:29,000 | 02:30:31,000 | 官兵立中的工作負荷量的改善的情況 |
| 02:30:31,000 | 02:30:33,000 | 還有我們的中高階的幹部 |
| 02:30:33,000 | 02:30:35,000 | 離退的問題 |
| 02:30:35,000 | 02:30:37,000 | 那部長還有相關的主管當時都說 |
| 02:30:37,000 | 02:30:39,000 | 會評估啊那會改善 |
| 02:30:39,000 | 02:30:41,000 | 那到現在其實我們還是沒有看到具體的 |
| 02:30:41,000 | 02:30:43,000 | 資料跟說明那部長你能夠 |
| 02:30:43,000 | 02:30:45,000 | 清楚的說明一下 |
| 02:30:45,000 | 02:30:47,000 | 我們國防部未來打算怎麼樣 |
| 02:30:47,000 | 02:30:49,000 | 減輕我們基層行政的負擔 |
| 02:30:49,000 | 02:30:51,000 | 那有沒有真正檢討 |
| 02:30:51,000 | 02:30:53,000 | 不必要的文書作業 |
| 02:30:53,000 | 02:30:55,000 | 會議以及重複的這些情務 |
| 02:30:55,000 | 02:30:57,000 | 因為剛剛 |
| 02:30:57,000 | 02:30:59,000 | 剛剛牛委員在質詢的時候 |
| 02:30:59,000 | 02:31:01,000 | 我們黃市長已經有做了一些說明 |
| 02:31:01,000 | 02:31:03,000 | 是不是再請他做一下 |
| 02:31:03,000 | 02:31:05,000 | 市長 |
| 02:31:05,000 | 02:31:07,000 | 包委員我們這個有區分幾個部分 |
| 02:31:07,000 | 02:31:09,000 | 第一個部分 |
| 02:31:09,000 | 02:31:11,000 | 是業務 |
| 02:31:11,000 | 02:31:13,000 | 業務需要性的這個部分 |
| 02:31:13,000 | 02:31:15,000 | 事實上我們過去三年當中 |
| 02:31:15,000 | 02:31:17,000 | 已經做了相當幅度的調整 |
| 02:31:17,000 | 02:31:19,000 | 已經降低了 |
| 02:31:19,000 | 02:31:21,000 | 第二個部分是人的部分 |
| 02:31:21,000 | 02:31:23,000 | 人的部分是一個關鍵 |
| 02:31:23,000 | 02:31:25,000 | 我們目前規劃在 |
| 02:31:25,000 | 02:31:27,000 | 整個兵力結構調整裡面 |
| 02:31:27,000 | 02:31:29,000 | 過去可能一個人 |
| 02:31:29,000 | 02:31:31,000 | 會兼任兩個業務的這個狀況 |
| 02:31:31,000 | 02:31:33,000 | 我們會全部把它 |
| 02:31:33,000 | 02:31:35,000 | 做一個解決 |
| 02:31:35,000 | 02:31:37,000 | 這個單位如果它應該需要兩個幕僚的 |
| 02:31:37,000 | 02:31:39,000 | 這個位置需要兩個幕僚 |
| 02:31:39,000 | 02:31:41,000 | 我們就給它編兩個幕僚 |
| 02:31:41,000 | 02:31:43,000 | 這個已經做過調整 |
| 02:31:43,000 | 02:31:45,000 | 最後一個是我們系統的部分 |
| 02:31:45,000 | 02:31:47,000 | 我們 |
| 02:31:47,000 | 02:31:49,000 | 預劃從明年開始 |
| 02:31:49,000 | 02:31:51,000 | 我們的整個 |
| 02:31:51,000 | 02:31:53,000 | 以人事跟後勤 |
| 02:31:53,000 | 02:31:55,000 | 這些行政類的 |
| 02:31:55,000 | 02:31:57,000 | 業務的部分我們會 |
| 02:31:57,000 | 02:31:59,000 | 採取上雲跟整個系統作業 |
| 02:31:59,000 | 02:32:01,000 | 來降低人員在 |
| 02:32:01,000 | 02:32:03,000 | 查詢搜索的時候 |
| 02:32:03,000 | 02:32:05,000 | 他所需要的時間來降低 |
| 02:32:05,000 | 02:32:07,000 | 他的工作負荷 |
| 02:32:07,000 | 02:32:09,000 | 那有關於整個規劃的部分如果 |
| 02:32:09,000 | 02:32:11,000 | 委員希望進一步了解的話 |
| 02:32:11,000 | 02:32:13,000 | 我們可以到委員辦公室針對我們 |
| 02:32:13,000 | 02:32:15,000 | 未來人事行政這些系統的 |
| 02:32:15,000 | 02:32:17,000 | 精進措施來跟委員做說明 |
| 02:32:17,000 | 02:32:19,000 | 謝謝市長說明 部長市長其實 |
| 02:32:19,000 | 02:32:21,000 | 本席會講的問題是 |
| 02:32:21,000 | 02:32:23,000 | 在人力上你現在未來的 |
| 02:32:23,000 | 02:32:25,000 | 少子化人力一定會短缺的情況下 |
| 02:32:25,000 | 02:32:27,000 | 你勤務上不做調整 |
| 02:32:27,000 | 02:32:29,000 | 加上本席提到的不管是 |
| 02:32:29,000 | 02:32:31,000 | 你的新式裝備的 |
| 02:32:31,000 | 02:32:33,000 | 要換裝人員的訓練 |
| 02:32:33,000 | 02:32:35,000 | 他都會造成工作的負擔 |
| 02:32:35,000 | 02:32:37,000 | 我希望本席希望就是說 |
| 02:32:37,000 | 02:32:39,000 | 我們希望不要在真的還沒有 |
| 02:32:39,000 | 02:32:41,000 | 上戰場的時候我們光是這些內耗的 |
| 02:32:41,000 | 02:32:43,000 | 行政程序就把人員都耗盡了 |
| 02:32:43,000 | 02:32:45,000 | 那講新式的裝備 |
| 02:32:45,000 | 02:32:47,000 | 跟數位化陸續進場 |
| 02:32:47,000 | 02:32:49,000 | 你不只要學新的系統 |
| 02:32:49,000 | 02:32:51,000 | 你要兼顧原本的戰備跟演訓 |
| 02:32:51,000 | 02:32:53,000 | 那你再加上這個組織結構 |
| 02:32:53,000 | 02:32:55,000 | 也要平衡的調整 |
| 02:32:55,000 | 02:32:57,000 | 那我想精神力戰力應該不是 |
| 02:32:57,000 | 02:32:59,000 | 只有要求官兵說你們要忍耐 |
| 02:32:59,000 | 02:33:01,000 | 也不能只靠著說要 |
| 02:33:01,000 | 02:33:03,000 | 犧牲奉獻就可以解決這些問題 |
| 02:33:03,000 | 02:33:05,000 | 我想國軍還是回到最務實 |
| 02:33:05,000 | 02:33:07,000 | 也是從待遇休假 |
| 02:33:07,000 | 02:33:09,000 | 家庭支持還有領導管理方向 |
| 02:33:09,000 | 02:33:11,000 | 來真正提出改善的方法 |
| 02:33:11,000 | 02:33:13,000 | 我想不過本席最近 |
| 02:33:13,000 | 02:33:15,000 | 接到一個反應就是說 |
| 02:33:15,000 | 02:33:17,000 | 說有些單位他只是換個名字 |
| 02:33:17,000 | 02:33:19,000 | 官兵那個陰影的加級 |
| 02:33:19,000 | 02:33:21,000 | 就沒有辦法如期的發放 |
| 02:33:21,000 | 02:33:23,000 | 甚至要等到一兩個月甚至更久 |
| 02:33:23,000 | 02:33:25,000 | 我想請教部長說 |
| 02:33:25,000 | 02:33:27,000 | 有沒有真的這樣的情形 |
| 02:33:27,000 | 02:33:29,000 | 官兵是為什麼 |
| 02:33:29,000 | 02:33:31,000 | 您講的可能是我們之前 |
| 02:33:31,000 | 02:33:33,000 | 我們將我們一直在做 |
| 02:33:33,000 | 02:33:35,000 | 組織邊裝的一個調整 |
| 02:33:35,000 | 02:33:37,000 | 那在組織邊裝調整 |
| 02:33:37,000 | 02:33:39,000 | 過程當中 |
| 02:33:39,000 | 02:33:41,000 | 譬如說最明顯就是無人機 |
| 02:33:41,000 | 02:33:43,000 | 大隊那這個無人機的大隊 |
| 02:33:43,000 | 02:33:45,000 | 他是用原來的 |
| 02:33:45,000 | 02:33:47,000 | 或是說海軍陸戰隊的火力營 |
| 02:33:47,000 | 02:33:49,000 | 或者是這個 |
| 02:33:49,000 | 02:33:51,000 | 目標連然後轉過來 |
| 02:33:51,000 | 02:33:53,000 | 那同樣原來是 |
| 02:33:53,000 | 02:33:55,000 | 屬於戰鬥部隊 |
| 02:33:55,000 | 02:33:57,000 | 領這個第一級的戰鬥部隊加級 |
| 02:33:57,000 | 02:33:59,000 | 那所以 |
| 02:33:59,000 | 02:34:01,000 | 因為任總在後面的審核 |
| 02:34:01,000 | 02:34:03,000 | 我們要跟他溝通 |
| 02:34:03,000 | 02:34:05,000 | 那所以我們現在已經跟任總協調了 |
| 02:34:05,000 | 02:34:07,000 | 我們以後做組織邊裝調整 |
| 02:34:07,000 | 02:34:09,000 | 我們都事先會告知 |
| 02:34:09,000 | 02:34:11,000 | 我們會進行協調 |
| 02:34:11,000 | 02:34:13,000 | 只要是符合這個屬於戰鬥部隊定義的 |
| 02:34:13,000 | 02:34:15,000 | 我們都會 |
| 02:34:15,000 | 02:34:17,000 | 希望能夠不延誤 |
| 02:34:17,000 | 02:34:19,000 | 因為部長本席其實很疑惑就是 |
| 02:34:19,000 | 02:34:21,000 | 其實是一樣的這一群人 |
| 02:34:21,000 | 02:34:23,000 | 然後因為任務改變可是 |
| 02:34:23,000 | 02:34:25,000 | 人還是在嘛比如說像以前那個 |
| 02:34:25,000 | 02:34:27,000 | 本席最早叫摩布旅 |
| 02:34:27,000 | 02:34:29,000 | 然後改叫機部旅 |
| 02:34:29,000 | 02:34:31,000 | 然後現在叫聯兵旅 |
| 02:34:31,000 | 02:34:33,000 | 一樣的人在做一樣的事情可是因為名稱改變之後 |
| 02:34:33,000 | 02:34:35,000 | 部長剛才提到是他的戰鬥加級可能 |
| 02:34:35,000 | 02:34:37,000 | 因為這樣子慢了一個月或兩個月 |
| 02:34:37,000 | 02:34:39,000 | 或三個月可是其實你也知道我們 |
| 02:34:39,000 | 02:34:41,000 | 志願義士兵 |
| 02:34:41,000 | 02:34:43,000 | 每個月生家裡面的開銷 |
| 02:34:43,000 | 02:34:45,000 | 他都有安生好的所以影響到 |
| 02:34:45,000 | 02:34:47,000 | 我們在那裡的 |
| 02:34:47,000 | 02:34:49,000 | 待遇跟影響到他的生活 |
| 02:34:49,000 | 02:34:51,000 | 所以這一塊我想 |
| 02:34:51,000 | 02:34:53,000 | 我們是不是也看到 |
| 02:34:53,000 | 02:34:55,000 | 就感覺我們的組織是不是 |
| 02:34:55,000 | 02:34:57,000 | 本席又回來之後是不是我們組織 |
| 02:34:57,000 | 02:34:59,000 | 擴張的太快 |
| 02:34:59,000 | 02:35:01,000 | 快到讓行政單位跟不上 |
| 02:35:01,000 | 02:35:03,000 | 我想這樣講有點誇張 |
| 02:35:03,000 | 02:35:05,000 | 是我們要 |
| 02:35:05,000 | 02:35:07,000 | 我們要凸顯是不是人力少到 |
| 02:35:07,000 | 02:35:09,000 | 連作業基本都受影響 |
| 02:35:09,000 | 02:35:11,000 | 這跟人力的減少無關 |
| 02:35:11,000 | 02:35:13,000 | 這是跟我們的 |
| 02:35:13,000 | 02:35:15,000 | 要依據我們的 |
| 02:35:15,000 | 02:35:17,000 | 這個作戰的需求 |
| 02:35:17,000 | 02:35:19,000 | 我們調整我們的編裝 |
| 02:35:19,000 | 02:35:21,000 | 那我們需要我們現在已經跟 |
| 02:35:21,000 | 02:35:23,000 | 任總已經協調了我們事先 |
| 02:35:23,000 | 02:35:25,000 | 就會再進行編裝調整 |
| 02:35:25,000 | 02:35:27,000 | 的過程當中會先告知 |
| 02:35:27,000 | 02:35:29,000 | 部長包括就整個我們新式結構 |
| 02:35:29,000 | 02:35:31,000 | 的問題其實一直都存在 |
| 02:35:31,000 | 02:35:33,000 | 對不對因為你看 |
| 02:35:33,000 | 02:35:35,000 | 有本鳳有加級有加一些這麼多東西 |
| 02:35:35,000 | 02:35:37,000 | 那因為我們組織在 |
| 02:35:37,000 | 02:35:39,000 | 調整的時候在作業上影響的話 |
| 02:35:39,000 | 02:35:41,000 | 而影響到官兵的 |
| 02:35:41,000 | 02:35:43,000 | 權力的話我想倒不如就 |
| 02:35:43,000 | 02:35:45,000 | 按照去年通過的那個 |
| 02:35:45,000 | 02:35:47,000 | 軍人加薪法就直接把一萬五全部 |
| 02:35:47,000 | 02:35:49,000 | 拿到薪資去發放反而更直接 |
| 02:35:49,000 | 02:35:51,000 | 也讓全體官兵都受賄 |
| 02:35:51,000 | 02:35:53,000 | 不過現在你遇到連個加級 |
| 02:35:53,000 | 02:35:55,000 | 都還會中斷 |
| 02:35:55,000 | 02:35:57,000 | 部長那個國防任性不 |
| 02:35:57,000 | 02:35:59,000 | 只是武器的任性也不是系統任性 |
| 02:35:59,000 | 02:36:01,000 | 最重要的是什麼就是 |
| 02:36:01,000 | 02:36:03,000 | 人的任性我想只有官兵 |
| 02:36:03,000 | 02:36:05,000 | 他撐得住留得住 |
| 02:36:05,000 | 02:36:07,000 | 願意戰 |
| 02:36:07,000 | 02:36:09,000 | 而且能夠持續的戰 |
| 02:36:09,000 | 02:36:11,000 | 我們國家的戰力才能夠 |
| 02:36:11,000 | 02:36:13,000 | 真正的武武部長對不對 |
| 02:36:13,000 | 02:36:15,000 | 我們會持續的檢討 |
| 02:36:15,000 | 02:36:17,000 | 各項加級的情形 |
| 02:36:17,000 | 02:36:19,000 | 好啦謝謝部長 |
| 02:36:19,000 | 02:36:21,000 | 我們也期許說部長再領帶一下 |
| 02:36:21,000 | 02:36:23,000 | 我們整個國防部不只是在 |
| 02:36:23,000 | 02:36:25,000 | 特別預算買武器 |
| 02:36:25,000 | 02:36:27,000 | 我想官兵的權力跟身心健康 |
| 02:36:27,000 | 02:36:29,000 | 才是真的部長 |
| 02:36:29,000 | 02:36:31,000 | 還有各位長官你們真的 |
| 02:36:31,000 | 02:36:33,000 | 要照顧的範圍才是 |
| 02:36:33,000 | 02:36:35,000 | 那也讓謝謝部長謝謝市長 |
| 02:36:35,000 | 02:36:37,000 | 謝謝主席 |
| 02:36:37,000 | 02:36:39,000 | 謝謝 |
| 02:36:39,000 | 02:36:41,000 | 好謝謝黃委員 |
| 02:36:41,000 | 02:36:43,000 | 接下來請 |
| 02:36:43,000 | 02:36:45,000 | 王安祥委員上台諮詢 |
| 02:36:51,000 | 02:36:53,000 | 感謝主席有請顧部長 |
| 02:36:53,000 | 02:36:55,000 | 請顧部長 |
| 02:36:55,000 | 02:36:57,000 | 部長好 |
| 02:36:57,000 | 02:36:59,000 | 我想今天專報非常重要 |
| 02:36:59,000 | 02:37:01,000 | 因為過去我們 |
| 02:37:01,000 | 02:37:03,000 | 都比較重視這個 |
| 02:37:03,000 | 02:37:05,000 | physical的部分 |
| 02:37:05,000 | 02:37:07,000 | 不過這幾年其實這個 |
| 02:37:07,000 | 02:37:09,000 | 不管各行各業 |
| 02:37:09,000 | 02:37:11,000 | 或是我們在學校裡面 |
| 02:37:11,000 | 02:37:13,000 | 其實針對這個mental心理的部分 |
| 02:37:13,000 | 02:37:15,000 | 其實都有非常多的著墨 |
| 02:37:15,000 | 02:37:17,000 | 那今天那個主題 |
| 02:37:17,000 | 02:37:19,000 | 當然是這個所謂的心理任性 |
| 02:37:19,000 | 02:37:21,000 | 不過我想心理任性 |
| 02:37:21,000 | 02:37:23,000 | 其實是一個非常重要的 |
| 02:37:23,000 | 02:37:25,000 | 心理任性 |
| 02:37:25,000 | 02:37:27,000 | 不過我想心理任性開始之前 |
| 02:37:27,000 | 02:37:29,000 | 應該是要有一個健康 |
| 02:37:29,000 | 02:37:31,000 | 健康的心理素質 |
| 02:37:31,000 | 02:37:33,000 | 應該非常重要 |
| 02:37:33,000 | 02:37:35,000 | 那在今天那個你們提供的報告裡面 |
| 02:37:35,000 | 02:37:37,000 | 其實在第三頁裡面 |
| 02:37:37,000 | 02:37:39,000 | 也提到那個要有 |
| 02:37:39,000 | 02:37:41,000 | 就是在每個每季 |
| 02:37:41,000 | 02:37:43,000 | 其實我們都有提供這個兩小時的 |
| 02:37:43,000 | 02:37:45,000 | 心理的衛生的教育 |
| 02:37:45,000 | 02:37:47,000 | 我想了解一下這個大概教育的 |
| 02:37:47,000 | 02:37:49,000 | 主要的content內容 |
| 02:37:49,000 | 02:37:51,000 | 或者是它的實方式大概是怎麼樣 |
| 02:37:53,000 | 02:37:55,000 | 市長好是政戰局局長 |
| 02:37:55,000 | 02:37:57,000 | 跟您報告有關於 |
| 02:37:57,000 | 02:37:59,000 | 主要是針對部隊的適應 |
| 02:37:59,000 | 02:38:01,000 | 以及遇到困難 |
| 02:38:01,000 | 02:38:03,000 | 問題的時候可以尋找 |
| 02:38:03,000 | 02:38:05,000 | 解決或者是寫處的 |
| 02:38:05,000 | 02:38:07,000 | 一個對象 |
| 02:38:07,000 | 02:38:09,000 | 是是我知道因為現在 |
| 02:38:09,000 | 02:38:11,000 | 基本上我剛剛說過了這個 |
| 02:38:11,000 | 02:38:13,000 | 在外面的事業單位其實大家都有 |
| 02:38:13,000 | 02:38:15,000 | 配置這種所謂的 |
| 02:38:15,000 | 02:38:17,000 | 心理師的這樣的一個概念 |
| 02:38:17,000 | 02:38:19,000 | 我也有去查了一下資料我知道軍方 |
| 02:38:19,000 | 02:38:21,000 | 現在有推動這個心理健康照護的一個方案 |
| 02:38:21,000 | 02:38:23,000 | 有跟外面做一些合作 |
| 02:38:23,000 | 02:38:25,000 | 一年可以做六次 |
| 02:38:25,000 | 02:38:27,000 | 我這邊也查到大概 |
| 02:38:27,000 | 02:38:29,000 | 他的使用人次不曉得現在那個 |
| 02:38:29,000 | 02:38:31,000 | 他們那個我們的官兵使用的狀況怎麼樣 |
| 02:38:31,000 | 02:38:33,000 | 我看起來那個大概 |
| 02:38:33,000 | 02:38:35,000 | 有大概810人左右 |
| 02:38:35,000 | 02:38:37,000 | 有4800多 |
| 02:38:37,000 | 02:38:39,000 | 人次的這個使用 |
| 02:38:39,000 | 02:38:41,000 | 這個對於 |
| 02:38:41,000 | 02:38:43,000 | 我們的官兵他們的心理的狀況 |
| 02:38:43,000 | 02:38:45,000 | 或是一些輔導諮商 |
| 02:38:45,000 | 02:38:47,000 | 幫助目前的狀況 |
| 02:38:47,000 | 02:38:49,000 | 大概是怎樣 |
| 02:38:49,000 | 02:38:51,000 | 114年我們推動這個 |
| 02:38:51,000 | 02:38:53,000 | 心理健康照護方案之後 |
| 02:38:53,000 | 02:38:55,000 | 那個官兵諮商輔導的 |
| 02:38:55,000 | 02:38:57,000 | 輔助大概1萬 |
| 02:38:57,000 | 02:38:59,000 | 1萬多人次了 |
| 02:38:59,000 | 02:39:01,000 | 1萬餘人次然後另外我們 |
| 02:39:01,000 | 02:39:03,000 | 115年開始 |
| 02:39:03,000 | 02:39:05,000 | 我們每年的這個 |
| 02:39:05,000 | 02:39:07,000 | 次數從原有的 |
| 02:39:07,000 | 02:39:09,000 | 每個人從原有的六次 |
| 02:39:09,000 | 02:39:11,000 | 免費諮商提升到12次 |
| 02:39:11,000 | 02:39:13,000 | 是 |
| 02:39:13,000 | 02:39:15,000 | 大概他們官兵使用的狀況 |
| 02:39:15,000 | 02:39:17,000 | 就因為六次嘛 |
| 02:39:17,000 | 02:39:19,000 | 現在剛剛部長說到12次 |
| 02:39:19,000 | 02:39:21,000 | 是不是大家都會 |
| 02:39:21,000 | 02:39:23,000 | 有這樣子的 |
| 02:39:23,000 | 02:39:25,000 | 他們會自己去尋求協助 |
| 02:39:25,000 | 02:39:27,000 | 不知道部長怎麼看這個事 |
| 02:39:27,000 | 02:39:29,000 | 最主要就是我們 |
| 02:39:29,000 | 02:39:31,000 | 在我們的 |
| 02:39:31,000 | 02:39:33,000 | 辛苦系統之外我們加一個 |
| 02:39:33,000 | 02:39:35,000 | 民間的資源主要是 |
| 02:39:35,000 | 02:39:37,000 | 一個比較多層次的關懷 |
| 02:39:37,000 | 02:39:39,000 | 那他的一個 |
| 02:39:39,000 | 02:39:41,000 | 好處就是說他 |
| 02:39:41,000 | 02:39:43,000 | 他不會去 |
| 02:39:43,000 | 02:39:45,000 | 洩漏出 |
| 02:39:45,000 | 02:39:47,000 | 就是說這個心理的 |
| 02:39:47,000 | 02:39:49,000 | 輔導師他除非 |
| 02:39:49,000 | 02:39:51,000 | 認為他已經嚴重到 |
| 02:39:51,000 | 02:39:53,000 | 有這個 |
| 02:39:53,000 | 02:39:55,000 | 諮商的一個傾向了 |
| 02:39:55,000 | 02:39:57,000 | 他才會回報不然的話 |
| 02:39:57,000 | 02:39:59,000 | 他是不會做回報因此可以 |
| 02:39:59,000 | 02:40:01,000 | 維護他個人的隱私 |
| 02:40:01,000 | 02:40:03,000 | 那在這個部分結合民間的 |
| 02:40:03,000 | 02:40:05,000 | 資源這個是我們 |
| 02:40:05,000 | 02:40:07,000 | 設置的一個初衷 |
| 02:40:07,000 | 02:40:09,000 | 對所以部長因為我有去 |
| 02:40:09,000 | 02:40:11,000 | 查了一下所謂的 |
| 02:40:11,000 | 02:40:13,000 | 諮商的狀況 |
| 02:40:13,000 | 02:40:15,000 | 那好像看起來那個數字並沒有明顯的 |
| 02:40:15,000 | 02:40:17,000 | 有一些往下掉 |
| 02:40:17,000 | 02:40:19,000 | 那是不是還有什麼更 |
| 02:40:19,000 | 02:40:21,000 | 精進的作為可以因應這樣子的一個狀況 |
| 02:40:21,000 | 02:40:23,000 | 是這個 |
| 02:40:23,000 | 02:40:25,000 | 委員指教的是 |
| 02:40:25,000 | 02:40:27,000 | 一個 |
| 02:40:27,000 | 02:40:29,000 | 我想我們必須要隨時 |
| 02:40:29,000 | 02:40:31,000 | 來注意 |
| 02:40:31,000 | 02:40:33,000 | 而且要持續來進行檢討的 |
| 02:40:33,000 | 02:40:35,000 | 那麼有很多的部分 |
| 02:40:35,000 | 02:40:37,000 | 確實是 |
| 02:40:37,000 | 02:40:39,000 | 剛剛也有其他委員指教 |
| 02:40:39,000 | 02:40:41,000 | 就是說他可能 |
| 02:40:41,000 | 02:40:43,000 | 可能是有一些這個經濟上面 |
| 02:40:43,000 | 02:40:45,000 | 比如說 |
| 02:40:45,000 | 02:40:47,000 | 他可能去網路上 |
| 02:40:47,000 | 02:40:49,000 | 進行這個網路線上的 |
| 02:40:49,000 | 02:40:51,000 | 一些賭博 |
| 02:40:51,000 | 02:40:53,000 | 或者怎麼樣 |
| 02:40:53,000 | 02:40:55,000 | 或者是有一些 |
| 02:40:55,000 | 02:40:57,000 | 親戚朋友 |
| 02:40:57,000 | 02:40:59,000 | 的一些狀況 |
| 02:40:59,000 | 02:41:01,000 | 然後他必須要協助那陷入的 |
| 02:41:01,000 | 02:41:03,000 | 一些財務上的困難 |
| 02:41:03,000 | 02:41:05,000 | 那就這個部分 |
| 02:41:05,000 | 02:41:07,000 | 我們要如何發覺這件事情 |
| 02:41:07,000 | 02:41:09,000 | 是一個課題 |
| 02:41:09,000 | 02:41:11,000 | 就是說他不見得會願意 |
| 02:41:11,000 | 02:41:13,000 | 讓人家知道 |
| 02:41:13,000 | 02:41:15,000 | 那所以 |
| 02:41:15,000 | 02:41:17,000 | 我剛剛也講了我們必須 |
| 02:41:17,000 | 02:41:19,000 | 在這個整個我們 |
| 02:41:19,000 | 02:41:21,000 | 政戰的體系裡面 |
| 02:41:21,000 | 02:41:23,000 | 還有包括所有的同儕 |
| 02:41:23,000 | 02:41:25,000 | 我們要去鼓勵就是說 |
| 02:41:25,000 | 02:41:27,000 | 如果他有發現 |
| 02:41:27,000 | 02:41:29,000 | 他的這個同儕 |
| 02:41:29,000 | 02:41:31,000 | 比如說同樣同班的 |
| 02:41:31,000 | 02:41:33,000 | 他有發現任何的狀況 |
| 02:41:33,000 | 02:41:35,000 | 他如果能夠回報 |
| 02:41:35,000 | 02:41:37,000 | 能夠防免這個狀況的發生 |
| 02:41:37,000 | 02:41:39,000 | 我們給他獎勵 |
| 02:41:39,000 | 02:41:41,000 | 然後同時這些輔導的幹部 |
| 02:41:41,000 | 02:41:43,000 | 也要去一層接一層的 |
| 02:41:43,000 | 02:41:45,000 | 去察覺各方面的一些問題 |
| 02:41:45,000 | 02:41:47,000 | 那另外當然我們也 |
| 02:41:47,000 | 02:41:49,000 | 推出一些急難貸款的 |
| 02:41:49,000 | 02:41:51,000 | 一些方案 |
| 02:41:51,000 | 02:41:53,000 | 希望他們能夠運用 |
| 02:41:53,000 | 02:41:55,000 | 但是我想 |
| 02:41:55,000 | 02:41:57,000 | 還是就如同委員所講的 |
| 02:41:57,000 | 02:41:59,000 | 我們還是有很多精進的空間 |
| 02:41:59,000 | 02:42:01,000 | 如何能夠 |
| 02:42:01,000 | 02:42:03,000 | 更去 |
| 02:42:03,000 | 02:42:05,000 | 多做多 |
| 02:42:05,000 | 02:42:07,000 | 多存的一個關懷的 |
| 02:42:07,000 | 02:42:09,000 | 這個網絡的建立 |
| 02:42:09,000 | 02:42:11,000 | 這個我想是值得 |
| 02:42:11,000 | 02:42:13,000 | 我們再進一步再來 |
| 02:42:13,000 | 02:42:15,000 | 對我想剛剛部長 |
| 02:42:15,000 | 02:42:17,000 | 說得非常對啦我想我會 |
| 02:42:17,000 | 02:42:19,000 | 這樣子問主要原因就是我覺得 |
| 02:42:19,000 | 02:42:21,000 | 還是要主動的發覺啦 |
| 02:42:21,000 | 02:42:23,000 | 預防還是非常非常重要 |
| 02:42:23,000 | 02:42:25,000 | 就有些我想這個 |
| 02:42:25,000 | 02:42:27,000 | 現在大家可以看到外面的事業單位 |
| 02:42:27,000 | 02:42:29,000 | 大家那個工作壓力都已經非常非常大 |
| 02:42:29,000 | 02:42:31,000 | 常常有人在講 |
| 02:42:31,000 | 02:42:33,000 | 那我想在軍中其實也有一些 |
| 02:42:33,000 | 02:42:35,000 | 這個蠻大的一些 |
| 02:42:35,000 | 02:42:37,000 | 任務的一些負荷啦所以我 |
| 02:42:37,000 | 02:42:39,000 | 除了他們可以去尋求這些協助之外 |
| 02:42:39,000 | 02:42:41,000 | 我也希望有一些這種所謂 |
| 02:42:41,000 | 02:42:43,000 | 剛剛部長說的啦更多的 |
| 02:42:43,000 | 02:42:45,000 | 經濟的作為可以主動的發覺 |
| 02:42:45,000 | 02:42:47,000 | 跟事前 |
| 02:42:47,000 | 02:42:49,000 | 有一些預防的作為 |
| 02:42:49,000 | 02:42:51,000 | 那今天另外一件 |
| 02:42:51,000 | 02:42:53,000 | 很重要的事情就是我想 |
| 02:42:53,000 | 02:42:55,000 | 我們現在教召對這個任性很重要 |
| 02:42:55,000 | 02:42:57,000 | 那昨天有一篇報導非常有趣 |
| 02:42:57,000 | 02:42:59,000 | 就是這個蔣部長 |
| 02:42:59,000 | 02:43:01,000 | 會被召回去當運輸排長 |
| 02:43:01,000 | 02:43:03,000 | 那一篇報導裡面部長講了很多 |
| 02:43:03,000 | 02:43:05,000 | 我想那篇 |
| 02:43:05,000 | 02:43:07,000 | 我想部長講了很多啦 |
| 02:43:07,000 | 02:43:09,000 | 說這個是非常非常重要的事情 |
| 02:43:09,000 | 02:43:11,000 | 部長是不是可以在這個機會 |
| 02:43:11,000 | 02:43:13,000 | 在這個怎麼樣去 |
| 02:43:13,000 | 02:43:15,000 | 這個退伍之後 |
| 02:43:15,000 | 02:43:17,000 | 結合他現在的一些新的專長 |
| 02:43:17,000 | 02:43:19,000 | 在這個教召的時候 |
| 02:43:19,000 | 02:43:21,000 | 能夠使用這樣子的人力 |
| 02:43:21,000 | 02:43:23,000 | 跟國營委員報告 |
| 02:43:23,000 | 02:43:25,000 | 就是說我們一個旅一個旅的 |
| 02:43:25,000 | 02:43:27,000 | 要來檢討 |
| 02:43:27,000 | 02:43:29,000 | 那大家都以為說教召好像就是 |
| 02:43:29,000 | 02:43:31,000 | 把人帶進來就可以了 |
| 02:43:31,000 | 02:43:33,000 | 問題是他可能是需要是兵 |
| 02:43:33,000 | 02:43:35,000 | 他可能是需要是士官 |
| 02:43:35,000 | 02:43:37,000 | 他可能需要的是排長 |
| 02:43:37,000 | 02:43:39,000 | 那他還有不同的部隊 |
| 02:43:39,000 | 02:43:41,000 | 他有不同的專長 |
| 02:43:41,000 | 02:43:43,000 | 他是這個 |
| 02:43:43,000 | 02:43:45,000 | 戰車部隊 |
| 02:43:45,000 | 02:43:47,000 | 那他這個回來 |
| 02:43:47,000 | 02:43:49,000 | 你要讓他叫到回來 |
| 02:43:49,000 | 02:43:51,000 | 他要能夠 |
| 02:43:51,000 | 02:43:53,000 | 能夠做這個戰車 |
| 02:43:53,000 | 02:43:55,000 | 他砲兵部隊 |
| 02:43:55,000 | 02:43:57,000 | 你要回來的是那個砲兵的專長 |
| 02:43:57,000 | 02:43:59,000 | 所以我才會講說這個精準的動員 |
| 02:43:59,000 | 02:44:01,000 | 是一件 |
| 02:44:01,000 | 02:44:03,000 | 是一件重要的事情 |
| 02:44:03,000 | 02:44:05,000 | 想像說一個旅 |
| 02:44:05,000 | 02:44:07,000 | 那他缺他邊線筆 |
| 02:44:07,000 | 02:44:09,000 | 不管是多少那我們現在要把他 |
| 02:44:09,000 | 02:44:11,000 | 邊時動員 |
| 02:44:11,000 | 02:44:13,000 | 這個邊時動員的這個邊時這兩個字 |
| 02:44:13,000 | 02:44:15,000 | 講起來就是兩個字 |
| 02:44:15,000 | 02:44:17,000 | 但事實上真正要運作起來 |
| 02:44:17,000 | 02:44:19,000 | 我們就必須要 |
| 02:44:19,000 | 02:44:21,000 | 一個單位 |
| 02:44:21,000 | 02:44:23,000 | 一個單位檢討 |
| 02:44:23,000 | 02:44:25,000 | 那這個當然在戰鬥部隊的話 |
| 02:44:25,000 | 02:44:27,000 | 我們從旅局的這個層級我們來逐步來檢討 |
| 02:44:27,000 | 02:44:29,000 | 那這個是我們現在正在做的一些工作 |
| 02:44:29,000 | 02:44:31,000 | 那這當然不是只有主戰的部隊 |
| 02:44:31,000 | 02:44:33,000 | 包括特別 |
| 02:44:33,000 | 02:44:35,000 | 當然是聯兵旅以外 |
| 02:44:35,000 | 02:44:37,000 | 我們主戰部隊 |
| 02:44:37,000 | 02:44:39,000 | 還有包括相關的 |
| 02:44:39,000 | 02:44:41,000 | 首備旅 |
| 02:44:41,000 | 02:44:43,000 | 還有相關後面的 |
| 02:44:43,000 | 02:44:45,000 | 後備旅的動員 |
| 02:44:45,000 | 02:44:47,000 | 那這些都要經過動員驗證 |
| 02:44:47,000 | 02:44:49,000 | 那我們逐步擴大 |
| 02:44:49,000 | 02:44:51,000 | 這些後備動員 |
| 02:44:51,000 | 02:44:53,000 | 教召的能量 |
| 02:44:53,000 | 02:44:55,000 | 主要當然是在邊時 |
| 02:44:55,000 | 02:44:57,000 | 跟先是精準 |
| 02:44:57,000 | 02:44:59,000 | 然後接下來 |
| 02:44:59,000 | 02:45:01,000 | 要能夠邊時 |
| 02:45:01,000 | 02:45:03,000 | 然後再擴及擴邊的 |
| 02:45:03,000 | 02:45:05,000 | 這個後備 |
| 02:45:05,000 | 02:45:07,000 | 首備或者後備部隊這個部分 |
| 02:45:07,000 | 02:45:09,000 | 所以剛剛部長也有說其實報導裡面有講 |
| 02:45:09,000 | 02:45:11,000 | 一個旅一個旅 |
| 02:45:11,000 | 02:45:13,000 | 這個不曉得部長覺得這樣子的一個 |
| 02:45:13,000 | 02:45:15,000 | 我們說說這個審查 |
| 02:45:15,000 | 02:45:17,000 | 或是做評估 |
| 02:45:17,000 | 02:45:19,000 | 這個大概需要多久的時間 |
| 02:45:19,000 | 02:45:21,000 | 然後做一個全面性的檢討 |
| 02:45:21,000 | 02:45:23,000 | 我們事實上已經 |
| 02:45:23,000 | 02:45:25,000 | 已經是在進行 |
| 02:45:25,000 | 02:45:27,000 | 是 |
| 02:45:27,000 | 02:45:29,000 | 就 |
| 02:45:29,000 | 02:45:31,000 | 這個評估的部分 |
| 02:45:31,000 | 02:45:33,000 | 已經差不多完成了我們接下來是要進行 |
| 02:45:33,000 | 02:45:35,000 | 驗證 |
| 02:45:35,000 | 02:45:37,000 | 特別我們陸軍的部分 |
| 02:45:37,000 | 02:45:39,000 | 我想我們先來做一些 |
| 02:45:39,000 | 02:45:41,000 | 驗證這樣子 |
| 02:45:41,000 | 02:45:43,000 | 因為武器 |
| 02:45:43,000 | 02:45:45,000 | 一直在更迭 |
| 02:45:45,000 | 02:45:47,000 | 速度非常非常快然後怎麼運用 |
| 02:45:47,000 | 02:45:49,000 | 這些退伍的這些人力 |
| 02:45:49,000 | 02:45:51,000 | 我覺得非常非常重要 |
| 02:45:51,000 | 02:45:53,000 | 我也很開心看到這樣的報導 |
| 02:45:53,000 | 02:45:55,000 | 希望國防部針對這個部分 |
| 02:45:55,000 | 02:45:57,000 | 因為任性大家都講任性 |
| 02:45:57,000 | 02:45:59,000 | 能夠好好運用這些退伍官兵 |
| 02:45:59,000 | 02:46:01,000 | 的一個他的現在 |
| 02:46:01,000 | 02:46:03,000 | 他可能會過去有一個他的能力 |
| 02:46:03,000 | 02:46:05,000 | 那現在他可能有一些新的職能 |
| 02:46:05,000 | 02:46:07,000 | 希望能夠妥善的運用 |
| 02:46:07,000 | 02:46:09,000 | 我當時是說以我做例子 |
| 02:46:09,000 | 02:46:11,000 | 我是運輸排長隊伍的 |
| 02:46:11,000 | 02:46:13,000 | 那我在兵級資料上面 |
| 02:46:13,000 | 02:46:15,000 | 應該還是寫運輸排長 |
| 02:46:15,000 | 02:46:17,000 | 我覺得這個很吸睛 |
| 02:46:17,000 | 02:46:19,000 | 那我下來考上律師以後 |
| 02:46:19,000 | 02:46:21,000 | 也許如果從動員的角度看 |
| 02:46:21,000 | 02:46:23,000 | 我應該是要 |
| 02:46:23,000 | 02:46:25,000 | 動員到軍閥 |
| 02:46:25,000 | 02:46:27,000 | 因為軍閥的部隊裡面去 |
| 02:46:27,000 | 02:46:29,000 | 但是我當時 |
| 02:46:29,000 | 02:46:31,000 | 一關沒有考上軍閥官我是考上運輸 |
| 02:46:31,000 | 02:46:33,000 | 所以是去當運輸排長 |
| 02:46:33,000 | 02:46:35,000 | 我想這個很重要 |
| 02:46:35,000 | 02:46:37,000 | 那我們一起來努力 |
| 02:46:37,000 | 02:46:39,000 | 謝謝部長 |
| 02:46:39,000 | 02:46:41,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 02:46:41,000 | 02:46:43,000 | 接下來請鄭政前 |
| 02:46:43,000 | 02:46:45,000 | 鄭政前委員不在請蘇青全 |
| 02:46:45,000 | 02:46:47,000 | 蘇青全蘇青全委員不在請 |
| 02:46:47,000 | 02:46:49,000 | 鍾嘉斌鍾嘉斌委員不在 |
| 02:46:49,000 | 02:46:51,000 | 請陳冠廷委員上台質詢 |
| 02:46:55,000 | 02:46:57,000 | 主席我們請部長 |
| 02:46:57,000 | 02:46:59,000 | 請顧部長 |
| 02:47:05,000 | 02:47:07,000 | 是陳委員 |
| 02:47:07,000 | 02:47:09,000 | 最近我們看到一些新聞報導 |
| 02:47:09,000 | 02:47:11,000 | 說有他們說美語老師 |
| 02:47:11,000 | 02:47:13,000 | 那部長接受這個專訪指出 |
| 02:47:13,000 | 02:47:15,000 | 專訪指出美方在各方面 |
| 02:47:15,000 | 02:47:17,000 | 跟我們國家的合作 |
| 02:47:17,000 | 02:47:19,000 | 是越來越深層 |
| 02:47:19,000 | 02:47:21,000 | 是不是部長可以簡單講一下 |
| 02:47:21,000 | 02:47:23,000 | 有多深層那有多麼的 |
| 02:47:23,000 | 02:47:25,000 | 比我們想像中超越的合作的 |
| 02:47:25,000 | 02:47:27,000 | 範圍跟廣度 |
| 02:47:27,000 | 02:47:29,000 | 聽起來是滿好的 |
| 02:47:31,000 | 02:47:33,000 | 我想我們都台美之間 |
| 02:47:33,000 | 02:47:35,000 | 我們都會維持一個常態的 |
| 02:47:35,000 | 02:47:37,000 | 訓練交流 |
| 02:47:37,000 | 02:47:39,000 | 藉襲取這個 |
| 02:47:39,000 | 02:47:41,000 | 美方的實戰經驗 |
| 02:47:41,000 | 02:47:43,000 | 來提升我們的整體戰力 |
| 02:47:43,000 | 02:47:45,000 | 那我想 |
| 02:47:45,000 | 02:47:47,000 | 我只是說明我們雙方 |
| 02:47:47,000 | 02:47:49,000 | 這些軍事的交流 |
| 02:47:49,000 | 02:47:51,000 | 與合作是越來越緊密 |
| 02:47:51,000 | 02:47:53,000 | 越來越緊密 |
| 02:47:53,000 | 02:47:55,000 | 當然 |
| 02:47:55,000 | 02:47:57,000 | 我當時就專訪也是講到這裡 |
| 02:47:57,000 | 02:47:59,000 | 在詳細的部分 |
| 02:47:59,000 | 02:48:01,000 | 我想也不適宜公開 |
| 02:48:01,000 | 02:48:03,000 | 再說說明 |
| 02:48:03,000 | 02:48:05,000 | 那最近 |
| 02:48:05,000 | 02:48:07,000 | 應該說在幾個月前 |
| 02:48:07,000 | 02:48:09,000 | 我自己本身在辦理這個 |
| 02:48:09,000 | 02:48:11,000 | 海軍論壇的時候 |
| 02:48:11,000 | 02:48:13,000 | 有一些美方的海軍的 |
| 02:48:13,000 | 02:48:15,000 | 這些推薦說我們的共同操作性 |
| 02:48:15,000 | 02:48:17,000 | 它比起這個日韓 |
| 02:48:17,000 | 02:48:19,000 | 那比起英澳 |
| 02:48:19,000 | 02:48:21,000 | 那是比較往下幾層的 |
| 02:48:21,000 | 02:48:23,000 | 因為我們過去沒有這個 |
| 02:48:23,000 | 02:48:25,000 | 夠深層的合作演練 |
| 02:48:25,000 | 02:48:27,000 | 那也不是邦交國 |
| 02:48:27,000 | 02:48:29,000 | 那也不是正義的同盟國 |
| 02:48:29,000 | 02:48:31,000 | 那這個部分會不會未來 |
| 02:48:31,000 | 02:48:33,000 | 跟更多美方人士到台灣 |
| 02:48:33,000 | 02:48:35,000 | 在各個層面接受 |
| 02:48:35,000 | 02:48:37,000 | 提升台灣防衛作戰能力的時候 |
| 02:48:37,000 | 02:48:39,000 | 互相可操作性的這個部分 |
| 02:48:39,000 | 02:48:41,000 | 來去給它提高 |
| 02:48:41,000 | 02:48:43,000 | 未來還會有 |
| 02:48:43,000 | 02:48:45,000 | 因為如果說我們這麼深層的合作的話 |
| 02:48:45,000 | 02:48:47,000 | 這麼多方面的合作 |
| 02:48:47,000 | 02:48:49,000 | 這麼多的美軍老師在台灣的話 |
| 02:48:49,000 | 02:48:51,000 | 那之前這些退役將領們 |
| 02:48:51,000 | 02:48:53,000 | 退役的海軍這些將軍們 |
| 02:48:53,000 | 02:48:55,000 | 他們所說的不可互操性 |
| 02:48:55,000 | 02:48:57,000 | 是不是這個講法 |
| 02:48:57,000 | 02:48:59,000 | 是不是可以隨著我們的合作深化 |
| 02:48:59,000 | 02:49:01,000 | 慢慢的把我們的戰術訓練 |
| 02:49:01,000 | 02:49:03,000 | 指管戰備等層面的共同的互操作性 |
| 02:49:03,000 | 02:49:05,000 | 把它提高 |
| 02:49:05,000 | 02:49:07,000 | 我跟委員報告兩點 |
| 02:49:07,000 | 02:49:09,000 | 第一點就是說我們是 |
| 02:49:09,000 | 02:49:11,000 | 集聚美軍實戰化的經驗 |
| 02:49:11,000 | 02:49:13,000 | 來強化我們的演訓的這些 |
| 02:49:13,000 | 02:49:15,000 | 內容 |
| 02:49:15,000 | 02:49:17,000 | 然後讓我們這個 |
| 02:49:17,000 | 02:49:19,000 | 整個 |
| 02:49:19,000 | 02:49:21,000 | 專案能力能夠提升 |
| 02:49:21,000 | 02:49:23,000 | 那我們的聯合專案計畫 |
| 02:49:23,000 | 02:49:25,000 | 我們都始終是以我們自主來 |
| 02:49:25,000 | 02:49:27,000 | 這個防衛來作為前提 |
| 02:49:27,000 | 02:49:29,000 | 我們沒有以 |
| 02:49:29,000 | 02:49:33,000 | 美軍介入作為這個我們聯合專案計畫的一個響電 |
| 02:49:33,000 | 02:49:35,000 | 所以我們還是要說明一下 |
| 02:49:35,000 | 02:49:37,000 | 這個我想我也有做一個清楚的說明 |
| 02:49:37,000 | 02:49:39,000 | 那再來 |
| 02:49:39,000 | 02:49:41,000 | 當然是我們 |
| 02:49:41,000 | 02:49:43,000 | 跟美方 |
| 02:49:43,000 | 02:49:45,000 | 之間當然基於 |
| 02:49:45,000 | 02:49:47,000 | 這個 |
| 02:49:47,000 | 02:49:49,000 | 一些 |
| 02:49:49,000 | 02:49:51,000 | 會做一些友盟情資的一些交換 |
| 02:49:51,000 | 02:49:53,000 | 這個我想是 |
| 02:49:53,000 | 02:49:55,000 | 也是 |
| 02:49:55,000 | 02:49:57,000 | 一定會有的 |
| 02:49:57,000 | 02:49:59,000 | 我想這個大家都能夠理解 |
| 02:49:59,000 | 02:50:01,000 | 那所以有關 |
| 02:50:01,000 | 02:50:03,000 | 從訓練 |
| 02:50:03,000 | 02:50:05,000 | 這個的一個協助 |
| 02:50:05,000 | 02:50:07,000 | 讓我們整體的聯合專案能力 |
| 02:50:07,000 | 02:50:09,000 | 能夠提升 |
| 02:50:09,000 | 02:50:11,000 | 然後另外我們 |
| 02:50:11,000 | 02:50:13,000 | 在聯合情資的 |
| 02:50:13,000 | 02:50:15,000 | 手段之下 |
| 02:50:15,000 | 02:50:17,000 | 然後還有其他 |
| 02:50:17,000 | 02:50:19,000 | 我們跟美方的這個情資的交換 |
| 02:50:19,000 | 02:50:21,000 | 都是為止我們 |
| 02:50:21,000 | 02:50:23,000 | 整個對整個區域 |
| 02:50:23,000 | 02:50:25,000 | 情勢掌握的一個基礎 |
| 02:50:25,000 | 02:50:27,000 | 那其他的部分我想 |
| 02:50:27,000 | 02:50:29,000 | 我就 |
| 02:50:29,000 | 02:50:31,000 | 不再多說這樣 |
| 02:50:31,000 | 02:50:33,000 | 所以原則上就是我們必須要有自主作戰的決心 |
| 02:50:33,000 | 02:50:35,000 | 那當然是能夠跟 |
| 02:50:35,000 | 02:50:37,000 | 美方有更深的合作 |
| 02:50:37,000 | 02:50:39,000 | 更廣泛的合作 |
| 02:50:39,000 | 02:50:41,000 | 然後共同操作性上的向上的話 |
| 02:50:41,000 | 02:50:43,000 | 就如同你之前在媒體上 |
| 02:50:43,000 | 02:50:45,000 | 講的是已經有基礎 |
| 02:50:45,000 | 02:50:47,000 | 而且會越來越深 |
| 02:50:47,000 | 02:50:49,000 | 越來越廣 |
| 02:50:49,000 | 02:50:51,000 | 因為你講到這個 |
| 02:50:51,000 | 02:50:53,000 | 我想我們還是 |
| 02:50:53,000 | 02:50:55,000 | 透過這個 |
| 02:50:55,000 | 02:50:57,000 | 透過 |
| 02:50:57,000 | 02:50:59,000 | 透過我們加強的自我防衛能力 |
| 02:50:59,000 | 02:51:01,000 | 然後跟友盟國家來 |
| 02:51:01,000 | 02:51:03,000 | 來建立共同嚇阻 |
| 02:51:03,000 | 02:51:05,000 | 跟這個合作應變 |
| 02:51:05,000 | 02:51:07,000 | 的能力我想這個是我們的 |
| 02:51:07,000 | 02:51:09,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 02:51:15,000 | 02:51:17,000 | 謝謝陳冠田委員 |
| 02:51:17,000 | 02:51:21,000 | 接下來 |
| 02:51:21,000 | 02:51:23,000 | 林楚英委員 |
| 02:51:23,000 | 02:51:25,000 | 林楚英委員不在 |
| 02:51:25,000 | 02:51:27,000 | 林楚英委員不在 |
| 02:51:27,000 | 02:51:29,000 | 已經登記質詢的委員除不在場以外 |
| 02:51:29,000 | 02:51:31,000 | 均已發言完畢 |
| 02:51:31,000 | 02:51:33,000 | 報告及詢答結束 |
| 02:51:33,000 | 02:51:35,000 | 本日會議有羅美玲委員 |
| 02:51:35,000 | 02:51:37,000 | 林楚英委員許巧欣委員 |
| 02:51:37,000 | 02:51:39,000 | 提出書面質詢 |
| 02:51:39,000 | 02:51:41,000 | 請列入記錄刊登公報 |
| 02:51:41,000 | 02:51:43,000 | 委員書面及口頭質詢 |
| 02:51:43,000 | 02:51:45,000 | 未及答覆的部分會要求補充資料者 |
| 02:51:45,000 | 02:51:47,000 | 請國防部兩週內 |
| 02:51:47,000 | 02:51:49,000 | 以書面答覆 |
| 02:51:49,000 | 02:51:51,000 | 委員有約定期限者 |
| 02:51:51,000 | 02:51:53,000 | 重新鎖定 |
| 02:51:53,000 | 02:51:55,000 | 剛剛有特別提到 |
| 02:51:55,000 | 02:51:57,000 | 惠民營區的這個案子 |
| 02:51:57,000 | 02:51:59,000 | 大概 |
| 02:51:59,000 | 02:52:01,000 | 目前因為從三月已經開始 |
| 02:52:01,000 | 02:52:03,000 | 履約請提供 |
| 02:52:03,000 | 02:52:05,000 | 在這個 |
| 02:52:05,000 | 02:52:07,000 | 目前已經進行 |
| 02:52:07,000 | 02:52:09,000 | 的這個 |
| 02:52:09,000 | 02:52:11,000 | 內容請提供相關 |
| 02:52:11,000 | 02:52:13,000 | 的資料另外也請 |
| 02:52:13,000 | 02:52:15,000 | 縣府提供 |
| 02:52:15,000 | 02:52:17,000 | 一百一十三年到一百一十五年 |
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