| IVOD_ID |
17646 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17646 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-05T08:34:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-05T17:33:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:59:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/bfaf9b39ac01a6855aaa864c46863ae22379e2494b6cb8b9df57eeef4bb6a12a1529a0c33be2c9be5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議(事由:(上午9時起)
邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院食品安全辦公室、教育部、國防部、經濟部、台灣糖業股份有限公司及行政院消費者保護處就「從致癌油事件發展迄今,中央一味『蓋牌、吃案、當門神』有關行政究責之重做完整調查報告(含台糖失職、食安警訊斷鏈責任、團體訴訟求償進度)及未來如何確保安全無虞的國軍團膳、學生營養午餐」進行專題報告,並備質詢。
(下午2時30分起,若上午議程尚未結束,待結束後接續召開)
一、審查行政院函請審議「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、繼續審查委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十四條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
三、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
四、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第四條條文修正草案」案。
......(完整內容,詳見議事日程)
二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
二十一、審查委員郭國文等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十八條之一條文修正草案」案。
二十二、審查國民黨黨團擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十三、審查委員黃健豪等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十四、審查委員廖偉翔等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、審查委員李彥秀等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十六、審查委員羅智強等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十七、審查委員盧縣一等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十八、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十九、審查委員許宇甄等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十、審查委員王育敏等25人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十一、審查委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十二、審查委員林月琴等24人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十三、審查委員林淑芬等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十五、審查委員李坤城等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十六、審查委員黃秀芳等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
三十七、審查委員劉建國等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
【逐條討論,不詢答】
【第二十至二十二案,如經復議則不予審查;第一案及第二十三至三十七案,如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意) |
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我們最新的傳奇畜生的事情進度 |
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我們最新的傳奇畜生的事情進度 |
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你們也要送嗎? |
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如果他們並不寫的話 |
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其實有一樣就好啦 |
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你們要送嗎? |
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我們要送 |
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好,多提 |
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現在開會請組織報告出席人數 |
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等一下 |
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我們要送嗎? |
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我們要送 |
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我們要送 |
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我們要送 |
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為什麼這個時間反應 |
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稍微好,欠單秒寫 |
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現在我們收到 |
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好,謝謝 |
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謝謝 |
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這是什麼? |
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我們要送嗎? |
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我們要送 |
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1697.7 |
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我們要送 |
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我們要送 |
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1699.7 |
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1701.7 |
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我們要送 |
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1701.7 |
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1703.7 |
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我們要送 |
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1703.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
1705.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
我們要送 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
1705.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
1707.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
我們要送 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
1707.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
1709.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我們要送 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
1709.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
1711.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
我們要送 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
1711.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
1713.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
我們要送 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
1713.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
1715.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
我們要送 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
1715.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
1717.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
我們要送 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
1717.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
1719.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
我們要送 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
1711.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
1713.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
我們要送 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
1713.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
1715.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
開會時間已到 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
1715.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
1717.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
請媒體記者朋友先離開 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
1726.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
1728.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
有想像的還複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
1744.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
1746.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
好,交代一下方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
1746.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
1748.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
好,開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
1748.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
1750.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
現在開會請組織報告出席人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
1752.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
1754.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
報告委員會出席11人已足法定人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
1754.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1756.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
請藝術文明宣讀上次會議事錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
1763.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1786.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
第8、10、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、25、26、27、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、38、39、40、41、42、43、44、44、45、44、45、45、46、47、48、48、50、50、51、52、53、54、54、54、54、55、56、56、57、57、58、58、59、60、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、70、 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
1787.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1790.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
報事項宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1790.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1791.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
討論事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1791.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1795.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
依繼續審查及審查性別平等工作法部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1795.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1798.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
調整修正草案等130案 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1803.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1807.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
繼續審查及審查就業保險法部分調整修正草案等100案 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1813.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1823.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1815.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1820.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
本會第11屆第5會期第16次全體委員會議中性別平等法有 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1820.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1824.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
委員邱慧如等三人提出修正動議等共10案 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1825.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1835.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
決議性別平等工作法部分調整修正草案等130案及就業保險法部分調整修正草案等100案均審查完整內容如審查結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1835.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1841.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
並按擬據審查報告提報院會討論院會討論時均由零召集委員約請補充說明 |
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1841.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1843.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
需交黨團協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1845.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1854.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
本次案條次條文中原條次及法治用語調整授權議事人員整理相關立法說明授權行政單位提供審查結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1854.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1865.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
依性別平等工作法部分調整修正草案等130案審查結果如下依照行政院提案通過增定第23條之一條文二部與增定委員張志倫等18人 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1865.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1874.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
提案第23條之二條文三保留行政院提案第15條第16條增定第16條之一及對應提案條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1874.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1878.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
台灣民眾黨黨團提案增定第16條之二及對應提案條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1878.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1884.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
三委員范雲等17人提案第19條第二條及對應提案條文四 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1884.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1890.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
黃建浩等21人提案增定第19條之一及對應提案條文法律修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1897.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1901.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
既有九案通過附帶決議七項 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1906.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1911.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
二就保險法部分條文修正草案等100案審查結果如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1911.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1915.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
第二十條照各委員提案及委員林月琴等三人所提修正動議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1915.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1922.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
二第二十五條照各委員提案及委員林月琴等三人所提修正動議通過三保留行政院提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1922.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1927.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
第十條第十一條第十九條之二增定第十九條之三及對應提案條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1927.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1935.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
二國民黨黨團提案第三十二條及對應提案條文三委員王玉明等18人提案增定第33條之一條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1935.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1937.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
是保留知修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1940.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1941.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
既有六案 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1944.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1946.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
五通過附帶決議五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1947.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1951.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
七月三十日邀請衛生福利部部長及教育部次長就 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1951.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1958.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
近期幼兒園及托育兒孽平傳責任通報兒少保護及跨部會合作機制檢討進行專題報告並被質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1959.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1962.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
本日會議專題報告及討論事項採綜合詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1963.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1967.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
經委員邱慧如代表臺灣民眾黨黨團及陳冠廷說明提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1967.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1971.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
只去由衛生福利部部長石崇良報告及說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1973.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1975.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
委員林月琴等17人提出質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1975.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1979.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
軍軍衛生福利部部長石崇良及各相關主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
1980.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1980.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
繼續答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
1981.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1985.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
文徐欣瑩等5人所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
1986.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1988.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
決定報告及詢答完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
1988.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1991.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
而委員詢答未及答覆或請補充資料者 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
1991.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
1993.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
請相關機關於二週內書面答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1994.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1996.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
委員要求其現在重啟鎖定討論事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
1998.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2001.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
審查委員陳冠廷等18人擬具安樂死法草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
2002.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2006.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
二審查臺灣民眾黨黨團擬具尊嚴善終法草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
2006.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2008.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
決議說明及詢答完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
2008.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
2012.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
二委員陳冠廷等18人擬具安樂死法草案及臺灣民眾黨黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
2012.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
2014.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
擬具尊嚴善終法草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
2014.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2017.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
尚未審查完卷令則其繼續審查宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2019.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2022.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
請問委員會三次一聲有錯誤或遺漏之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
2023.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2024.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
好一書確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2025.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2027.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
信用委員提出程序發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2027.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2029.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
依據依據立法院議事規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2029.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2031.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
在委員發言前先訊詢到發言的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
2031.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2033.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
每位委員發言時間三分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2033.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2036.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
需要發言的委員麻煩到主席臺這邊登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2036.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2037.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
現在請登記第二位王毓民委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
2045.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
2048.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
主席跟委員大家早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
2049 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
2052.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
最新的這個獨有事件爆發了 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
2052.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
2057.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
台糖公司竟然發現致癌藥而隱匿不通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
2058.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
2061.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
大家都知道食安管理的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
2061.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
2065.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
最重要的就是從源頭管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
2065.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
2069.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
請問台糖的這批油是不是它的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
2070.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
2071.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
2071.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
2073.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
既然是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
2073.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
2075.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
發現原料有致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
2076.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
2079.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
為什麼不用通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
2080.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
2082.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
人家覺得很荒謬的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
2082.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
2084.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
我們所有的政府部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
2084.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
2086.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
官官相護 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
2086.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
2091.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
還稱讚台糖市模範生好寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
2091.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
2093.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
台糖這樣的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
2093.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
2095.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
連一個吹哨者都不如 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
2096 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
2098.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
發現有毒的這個油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
2099.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
2101.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
竟然不通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
2101.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
2106.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
經濟部還說他是模範生是好寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
2106.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
2110.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
把國人的食安完全踐踏在腳下 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
2111.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
2113.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
更別忘了衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
2114.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
2116.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
你在2024年 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
2116.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
2120.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
曾經因為蘇丹紅事件召開會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
2121.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
2124.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
你還發了一個新聞稿告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
2126.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
2131.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
只要發現原料或產品有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
2131.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
2135.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
一定要通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
2137.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
2140.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
這一個鐵砧砧的事實 |
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2141.52 |
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2144.64 |
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衛福部你自己召開的會議 |
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2144.88 |
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2146.76 |
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還發了新聞稿 |
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2147.56 |
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2151.48 |
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結果你現在要幫台糖洗地護航 |
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2151.72 |
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2156.4 |
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你說那個會議的效力只有蘇丹紅 |
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2156.68 |
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2158.04 |
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我就問衛福部 |
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2158.32 |
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2161.84 |
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請問全國的原料如果有問題 |
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2162.04 |
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2165.88 |
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你現在是只有蘇丹紅要通報主管機關嗎 |
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2166.2 |
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2168.28 |
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其他原料有問題 |
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2168.44 |
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2171.12 |
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通通都不用通報主管機關嗎 |
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2171.98 |
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2175.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
你怎麼會這樣子從源頭去開放 |
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2175.81 |
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2178.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
衛福部自己變成是食安的破口 |
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2179.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
2182.06 |
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你主動為了護航台糖 |
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2182.22 |
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2183.66 |
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你這樣的一個說法 |
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2183.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
2186.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
你知不知道把台灣的食安工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
2187.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
2190.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
造成多大的破口跟危機嗎 |
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2190.39 |
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2192.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
你這樣子的前後不一 |
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2192.51 |
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2195.59 |
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請問未來如果發現原料有問題 |
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2195.75 |
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2197.59 |
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需不需要通報主管機關 |
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2197.75 |
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2199.15 |
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比照台糖是不是 |
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2199.96 |
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2203.36 |
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退貨然後當作沒發生就好了嗎 |
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2203.52 |
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2204.92 |
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可以這樣嗎 |
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2205.9 |
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2210.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
陳其邁市長說五兩的廠商該倒就倒 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
2210.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
2212.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
今天國民黨我們要變更議程 |
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2212.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
2214.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
前面先處理臨時提案 |
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2214.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
2219.7 |
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如果有這些五兩的官員護航包庇 |
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2220.18 |
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2222.5 |
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該查辦就查辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
2222.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
2224.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
該下台就下台 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
2228.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
2229.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
謝謝王玉明委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
2229.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
2232.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
現在請第二位登記委員林玉琴召委 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
2245.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
2248.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
我們社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
2248.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
2251.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
八月五號議程就原定審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
2252.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
2253.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
2254.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
2257.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
部分條文修正草案共三十七案 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
2257.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
2259.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
我們的輪值召委週一 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
2259.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
2261.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
針列了專題報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
2261.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
2263.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
用標題來帶風向 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
2264.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
2267.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
以政治口水來取代真正補食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
2270.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
2272.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
大家口口聲聲說食安重要 |
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2273.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
2274.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
卻臨時變更議程 |
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2274.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
2277.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
把寶貴的審查時間拿來做政治攻防 |
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2277.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
2280.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
可不可以先審食安法 |
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2280.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
2281.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
如果大家都覺得很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
2282.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
2283.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
為什麼把這個時間 |
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2283.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
2286.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
今天如果早上四上四再詢答 |
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2287.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
2288.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
下午唸個法條 |
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2288.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
2289.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
今天就不用審食安法 |
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2290.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
2291.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
如果講食安法很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
2291.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
2294.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
為什麼今天不是好好坐下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
2294.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
2295.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
去審食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
2297.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
2299.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
當然專題報告我覺得可以排 |
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2300.1 |
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2302.3 |
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我也支持透過專題報告 |
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2302.46 |
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2303.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
專案報告 |
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2303.3 |
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2305.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
把整個事件經過跟責任釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
2306.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
2309.54 |
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但是議程名稱直接寫中央 |
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2309.7 |
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2311.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
蓋牌 施案當門神 |
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2311.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
2313.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
等於還沒有開始詢答 |
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2313.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
2317.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
就已經替整件事情下了一個結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
2317.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
2318.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
這樣的議程設定 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
2319.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
2323.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
真的符合委員會理性監督的原則嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
2323.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
2324.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
如果今天要談責任 |
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2325.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
2326.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
那就應該把中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
2326.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
2328.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
地方政府跟業者各自做了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
2329.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
2330.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
哪個環節出了問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
2330.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
2332.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
全部攤開來檢視 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
2332.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
2334.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
而不是先設定誰有罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
2334.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
2338.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
再要求行政部門來接受政治審判 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
2340.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
2342.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
而且我也要說 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
2342.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
2344.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
如果你們認為中聯有 |
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2344.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
2347.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
列席衛福部的專家會議在7月4號 |
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2347.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
2349.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
就可以影射中央有門神 |
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2349.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
2352.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
台中市政府7月3號 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
2352.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
2355.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
也找了中聯有列席會議 |
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2358.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
2361.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
今天藍白兩黨不是雙標嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
2361.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
2364.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
那如果這樣7月3號他們已經去練習 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
2364.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
2365.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
那有沒有串供呢 |
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2365.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
2367.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
如果按照同樣的標準 |
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2367.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
2369.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
台中市政府是門神嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
2369.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
2372.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
那台北市的蔣萬安是耳虐集團的門神嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
2373.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
2377.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
更何況中聯有的串供工廠就是在台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
2377.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
2380.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
台中市政府卻一直沒有直接檢驗中聯有 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
2380.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
2384.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
請問到底是哪一個環節沒有把好關 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
2384.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
2388.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
誰才更有可能替業者開大門走大路 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
2388.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
2389.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
如果有監督那就請中央地方 |
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2390.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
2393.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
用同一套標準不要只挑中央來寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
2394.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
2396.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
那也請把台中市政府補上去 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
2397.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
2399.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
不是只有單一的 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
2399.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
2404.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
本來中央地方業者的各個權責義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
2404.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
2406.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
都應該要講清楚說明白 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
2406.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
2409.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
所以不要只挑中央來寫政治標題 |
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2409.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
2411.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
否則這就不是釐清實案責任 |
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2411.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
2414.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
而是先選定了攻擊對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
2414.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
2418.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
再用委員會的議程來配合政治操作 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
2423.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
2424.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
好 謝謝聯業群委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
2424.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
2426.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
接下來請泛民委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
2434.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
2436.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
大家好 我想非常的遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
2436.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
2440.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
看到原本整個社會期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
2440.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
2443.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
朝野都說要儘速修實案法 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
2443.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
2444.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
可是我們看到的 |
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2444.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
2447.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
朝偉今天他是變更議程 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
2447.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
2449.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
然後你看一下他這個議程叫什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
2450 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
2453.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
中央一位蓋牌吃案當門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
2454 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
2457.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
為什麼這件事情已經釐清的越來越多 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
2457.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
2461.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
就如同剛剛林月晴委員講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
2461.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
2464.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
那如果中聯列席就是當門神的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
2465.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
2468.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
那台中不是就最該被當成門神嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
2468.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
2472.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
那中央到現在為止有吃案有蓋牌嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
2473.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
2475 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
那衛福部長已經幾度釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
2475.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
2478.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
這整個事件都送檢調中 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
2478.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
2480.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
而且他們在第一時間 |
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2480.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
2485.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
專家的一個會議就決定中聯停止再生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
2485.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
2488.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
那我不瞭解就是當大家期待 |
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2488.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
2490.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
我們就是要來修食安法 |
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2490.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
2492.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
不管台唐的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
2492.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
2496.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
或是任何一個就是送檢驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
2496.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
2498.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
包含檢驗單位第三方檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
2499 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
2502.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
都應該客責他必須立刻通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
2502.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
2503.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
為什麼這件事情不做 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
2504 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
2505.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
那卻要變更議程 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
2505.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
2510.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
拿一個政治上非常不公平的一個說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
2510.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
2513.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
想要繼續抹黑衛福部繼續抹黑中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
2513.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
2518.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
那這到底是唯為就照在幫台中市政府嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
2518.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
2522.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
我們都已經看到台南市政府高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
2522.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
2527.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
甚至屏東縣政府做的檢驗都比台中好 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
2527.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
2528.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
也比台北強 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
2529.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
2534.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
那大家在這邊一味的政治口水抹黑中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
2534.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
2537.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
持續說衛福部是蓋牌吃案當門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
2538.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
2539.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
那你們的目的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
2539.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
2542.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
你不就是延宕了食安法的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
2542.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
2544.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
那整個社會你去問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
2544.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
2547.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
大家都已經知道現在在市面上 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
2547.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
2551.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
這一些會讓人擔心的食品全部都下架了 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
2552 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
2553.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
所以大家關心的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
2553.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
2556.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
未來如何不要再發生這樣的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
2556.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
2559.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
那既然每個政黨都說要修食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
2559.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
2563.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
那你今天這樣排下去除了政治口水之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
2563.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
2566.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
那難道不就是食安法延宕 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
2566.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
2567.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
今天就不用修了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
2567.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
2570.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
那為什麼今天可以不要修食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
2570.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
2572.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
等一下 唸一下條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
2572.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
2574.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
今天就過去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
2574.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
2577 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
那大家講的要立刻修 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
2577.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
2578.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
上凱道講的立刻修 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
2579.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
2581.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
那是不是在欺騙社會大眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
2581.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
2585.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
我想你們如果回去問一下你們選區的選民 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
2585.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
2587.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
他一定是希望速修食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
2587.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
2589.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
朝野不要再政治口水 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
2589.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
2593 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
今天我不知道這個周偉這個標題怎麼定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
2593.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
2595.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
中央一味蓋牌吃案當門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
2595.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
2597.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
那你為什麼要這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
2597.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
2600.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
就是中央難道沒有解釋過很多次 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
2600.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
2602.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
沒有吃案 沒有門神的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
2602.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
2604.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
沒有蓋牌的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
2604.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
2606.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
周偉要公道 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
2606.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
2609.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
每一個人的選區的選民都關心食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
2609.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
2612 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
我們作為立委絕對是食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
2612.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
2617.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
是我們每天上班下班都關心的一個個人的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
2617.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
2620.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
民進黨的立委對衛福部的監督沒有比較少 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
2620.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
2622.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
不要玩這種政治口水打假球 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
2623.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
2624.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
好 再釋放一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
2625 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
2626.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
現在接下來請邱霍入委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
2633.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
2634.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
主席還有各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
2635.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
2637.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
還有各位政府部門同仁大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
2637.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
2642.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
那這個從6月30號石油獨遊事件爆發至今 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
2643.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
2644.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
已經一個多月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
2644.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
2648.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
那我們看到的是一個政府荒腔走板的一個演出 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
2648.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
2650.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
首先就是公布業者向擠牙膏 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
2650.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
2653.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
預防性下架也向擠牙膏 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
2653.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
2657.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
處理食安事件完全是失職跟失能 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
2657.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
2659.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
一個20%的會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
2659.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
2660.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
神秘的下架原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
2660.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
2662.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
現在還說不清楚講不明白 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
2662.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
2666.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
我們原本以為這個荒腔走板的劇情 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
2666.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
2671.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
應該是稍微貧脅已經接近入幕的一個終點了 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
2671.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
2674.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
結果沒想到爆出更荒腔走板的劇情 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
2674.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
2679.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
就是發現台糖發現這個超標的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
2680.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
2682.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
石油卻沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
2682.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
2685.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
我們只能夠說荒腔走板的劇情是 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
2685.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
2688.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
沒有最荒唐只有更荒唐 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
2688.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
2696.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
那台糖的這個發現石油出現了超標的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
2696.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
2699.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
結果南橋因為沒有通報被開罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
2699.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
2701.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
但是台糖卻沒有被開罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
2702.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
2705 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
請問這中間有沒有雙標的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
2705.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
2706.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
值得大家來檢視 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
2707.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
2710.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
但是我們的石部長卻說 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
2710.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
2713.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
追究台糖他不知道邏輯是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
2713.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
2717.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
我們的次長說出油請問是能吃嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
2717.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
2720.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
我們的經濟部說爛菜根本就不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
2721.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
2723.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
我們的經濟部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
2723.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
2727 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
地方政府多查好幾次就可以解決問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
2727.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
2730.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
我們只看到中央政府不斷的在護航 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
2730.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
2733.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
業者不斷的在護航這個台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
2733.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
2738.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
請問一下我們的中央主管機關還存在嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
2738.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
2741.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
我們台灣是一個無政府的狀態嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
2741.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
2743.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
說台糖沒有通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
2743.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
2745.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
馬上就被高檢署所打臉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
2746 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
2749.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
法律的解釋專家是高檢署是法律專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
2750.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
2752.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
我們剛講的經濟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
2752.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
2755.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
我們剛講的衛福部長衛福部次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
2755.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
2758.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
你們都不是法律專家請不要曲解法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
2758.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
2761.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
再來我問請問一下台糖事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
2762 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
2764.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
我們一直到前兩天才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
2764.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
2767.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
我就問石崇良部長你是什麼時候知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
2767.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
2769.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
衛福部什麼時候知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
2769.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
2771.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
經濟部長什麼時候知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
2771.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
2774.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
還有就是我們的行政院長什麼時候知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
2774.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
2777.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
為什麼兩個禮拜之前的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
2777.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
2780.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
到行政院所做的這個食安傳報 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
2780.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
2782.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
完全對這件事支支不停 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
2782.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
2785.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
我們只看到政府不斷的在蓋牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
2785.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
2787.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
不斷的在隱匿 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
2787.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
2788.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
我現在想要呼籲 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
2788.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
2791.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
我們的政府不管是石崇良部長也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
2791.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
2793.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
或者是行政院長不要打臉 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
2793.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
2796.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
當年的這個台南市市長賴清德 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
2796.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
2798.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
賴清德在做市長的時候 |
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2798.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
2801.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
也對於食安的疑慮非常的關切 |
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2802.04 |
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2804.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
所以對於食品有食安疑慮 |
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2804.2 |
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2806.48 |
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業者要在48小時內通報 |
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2806.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
2809.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
如果今天石部長還有我們的官員 |
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2809.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
2812.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
完全否認這個台糖的通報義務 |
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2812.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
2815.4 |
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那就是現在的政府去打臉 |
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2815.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
2817.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
當時的台南市的政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
2817.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
2820.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
也就是我們的賴清德市長 |
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2821.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
2822.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
所以我們在這邊呼籲 |
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2822.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
2826.04 |
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我們的政府應該要拿出你們的良知 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
2826.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
2827.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
跟拿出你們的良能 |
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2827.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
2831.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
通報不只要靠法律也要靠良心 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
2831.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
2833.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
不能夠用一條食安法的第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
2833.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
2835.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
來扭曲來誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
2835.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
2838.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
然後就說台糖沒有通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
2838.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
2839.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
還有行政院長呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
2839.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
2842.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
你說不適任的官員你自然會處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
2842.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
2845.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
處理到現在請問處理了哪一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
2845.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
2847.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
然後就沒有然後了 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
2847.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
2848.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
對於獨有世界荒腔走板 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
2849.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
2850.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
就是讓我們看到這整個政府 |
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2850.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
2853.8 |
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就是處理到最後然後就沒有然後了 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
2853.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
2855.36 |
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頂多只是讓我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
2855.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
2857.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
不斷的蓋牌跟保庇而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
2857.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
2858.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
以上說明謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
2859 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
2860.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
謝謝邱輝瑞委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
2860.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
2861.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
接下來請王政旭委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
2875.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
2877.06 |
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好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
2877.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
2880.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
我想今天大家會覺得很壓抑 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
2880.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
2882.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
因為我們本來就已經排定好 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
2882.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
2886.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
有一個要審非常重要的食安法的議程 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
2886.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
2890.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
不過我們當然要尊重主席排案的權責 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
2890.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
2893.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
因為本來我們有37案 |
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2893.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
2896.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
針對於食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
2897.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
2900.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
條文的修正草案要進來一開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
2900.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
2903.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
走完程序就要進入到這個 |
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2903.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
2905.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
逐條審查的階段 |
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2905.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
2908.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
可是呢很可惜啊我們這個主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
2908.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
2911.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
我們在這個尊重主席的權責的同時 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
2911.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
2913.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
我們也覺得用這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
2913.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
2915.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
針對一個專報的題目 |
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2915.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
2917.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
用這個標題來帶風向 |
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2917.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
2920.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
用政治口水來取代真正 |
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2920.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
2922.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
要急著修法的部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
2922.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
2924.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
真的這不是人民的期待 |
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2924.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
2926.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
這個部分 |
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2926.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
2929.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
我覺得實在是令我感到失望 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
2929.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
2932.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
因為我們從這個標題就可以讀得出來 |
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2932.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
2934.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
這個真的是用政治口水的味道 |
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2934.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
2936.05 |
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實在是太重了 |
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2936.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
2938.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
從這個自癌的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
2938.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
2940.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
自癌有事件發展到今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
2941.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
2945.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
中央一位蓋牌施案當門審 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
2945.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
2947.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
有關這個行政究責的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
2947.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
2951.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
重做完整調查報告等等的內容來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
2951.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
2952.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
實在是讓我們覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
2953.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
2955.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
如果要把這個時間花在這邊 |
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2955.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
2958.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
如果我們可以一開始就能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
2958.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
2962.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
逐條來針對我們要審查的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
2962.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
2965.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
重要的案件來做調理或做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
2965.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
2969.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
我個人感覺會重要了很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
2969.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
2973.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
現在這個現行的施案法裡面 |
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2973.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
2977.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
都在著重相關的這個查驗產品端 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
2977.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
2980.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
未來應該要擴及到整個實務的製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
2980.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
2982.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
這個是大家都有的共識 |
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2982.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
2986.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
所以我們期待如果能夠有好的逐條審查 |
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2987.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
2988.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
我們很擔心 |
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2988.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
2991.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
如果下午才開始逐條審查的話 |
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2991.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
2992.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
很快的可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
2993.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
2995.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
練完這些條文以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
2995.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
2999.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
可能只剩下一點點的時間能夠來開始審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
2999.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
3004.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
明天我們又沒有時間來審查這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
3005.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
3007.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
相關的這個提案 |
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3007.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
3009.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
所以真的很可惜 |
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3009.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
3010.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
我們本來有很充裕的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
3011.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
3013.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
可以能夠充分的來釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
3013.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
3015.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
在這個修法過程裡面 |
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3015.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
3017.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
我們必須要去注意到的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
3017.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
3019.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
比如說在這個過程裡面 |
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3019.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
3021.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
行政院本來也希望能夠成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
3021.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
3024.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
食安指揮中心來加強罰則等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
3025.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
3028.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
還有在針對第三方那個查驗的過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
3028.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
3033.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
如果有20小時的結果在出現以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
3033.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
3035.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
應該要馬上來通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
3035.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
3036.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
這些需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
3036.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
3038.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
這個都可以充分的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
3038.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
3041.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
才能夠讓這部食安法的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
3041.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
3044.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
充分的讓達到這個人民的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
3044.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
3048.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
所以我個人是很希望大家能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
3049 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
3050.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
不要再用這樣的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
3051.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
3053.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
來針對食安的部分做訴求 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
3053.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
3054.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
而是應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
3071.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
3074.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
主席各位委員各位官員大家早 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
3075.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
3077.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
修法非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
3077.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
3079.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
但追真相也很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
3079.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
3081.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
民眾每天看新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
3081.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
3083.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
只覺得真相到底在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
3083.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
3086.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
還有多少油沒有被揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
3086.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
3089.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
還有多少油已經被吃下肚子 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
3090.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
3093.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
還有多少行政瑕疵沒有處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
3093.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
3096.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
我們今天看到這麼多的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
3096.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
3098.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
這幾天這麼多的新市政 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
3098.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
3100.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
我們一定要質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
3100.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
3102.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
質詢才知道漏洞在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
3102.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
3104.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
才知道破口在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
3104.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
3108 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
才知道法條還有哪些地方沒有完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
3108.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
3109.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
我們才能做好修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
3109.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
3111.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
所以真相很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
3111.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
3113.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
修法同等重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
3113.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
3114.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
沒有不修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
3114.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
3116.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
下午就要修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
3116.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
3119.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
我們來看一下今天報紙的頭版 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
3119.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
3121.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
為什麼真相很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
3121.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
3125.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
上週石崇良部長在這邊說 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
3125.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
3129.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
這個20%的專家學者會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
3129.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
3133.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
雖然有中聯的總經理 廠長 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
3133.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
3136.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
還有一位今天終於揭露了 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
3136.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
3137.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
看起來應該是科長 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
3138.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
3140.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
有練習 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
3140.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
3145.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
但是這場會議分成上下良長 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
3145.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
3150.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
可是我請各位打開報紙的頭版看一看 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
3150.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
3153.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
哪邊寫著上下良長 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
3153.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
3154.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
3155.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
3159.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
哪邊寫著請業者離席 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
3159.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
3160.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
3160.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
3163.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
再來有一個更可怕的地方是 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
3164.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
3168.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
第三位還沒有被收押的 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
3168.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
3171.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
中聯代表到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
3171.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
3178.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
他都知道專家ABCDEFG是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
3178.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
3181.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
他可以告訴非常多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
3181.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
3184.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
他可以做很多很多的運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
3185.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
3189.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
這就是為什麼我們今天需要追出真相 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
3189.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
3190.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
再來修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
3190.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
3192.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
我們必須質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
3192.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
3193.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
我們才能知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
3194.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
3197.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
這個整個政府監督的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
3197.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
3199.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
到底是出了什麼問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
3200.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
3201.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
3202.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
3205.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
石崇亮部長8月2號的時候對外說 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
3205.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
3208.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
他不知道台唐的責任在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
3208.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
3211.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
他不知道高雄市政府的責任在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
3211.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
3214.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
但是8月1號前一天晚上 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
3214.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
3215.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
他又叫食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
3216.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
3218.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
又叫大家去問高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
3218.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
3220.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
為什麼兩天前後不一 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
3221.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
3223.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
8月1號食藥署叫所有的記者媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
3224.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
3226.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
去問高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
3226.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
3228.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
8月2號石崇亮部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
3228.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
3231.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
不知道高雄市政府有什麼問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
3231.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
3234.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
昨天8月3號高雄市政府跟大家說 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
3235.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
3238.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
他們已經收集好所有的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
3238.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
3242.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
希望送到台南市政府去釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
3242.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
3244.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
那高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
3244.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
3246.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
顯然是沒有聽石崇亮部長的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
3247.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
3249.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
高雄市政府就做自己的步調 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
3249.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
3251.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
因此我們也必須清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
3251.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
3253.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
藉由今天的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
3253.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
3254.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
還有今天的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
3254.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
3258.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
來釐清中央還有地方政府的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
3258.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
3260.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
到底在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
3260.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
3262.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
所以今天我們國民黨團民眾黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
3263.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
3265.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
就是主張先追真相 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
3265.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
3267.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
先找出漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
3267.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
3268.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
再來一同修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
3268.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
3269.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
3269.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
3271.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
謝謝陳青輝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
3271.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
3272.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
接下來請廖偉祥委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
3280.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
3281.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
3282.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
3285.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
剛剛有委員提到說不要雙標 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
3286.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
3289.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
我想問有誰比民進黨更雙標 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
3290.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
3292.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
有人說不要打假球 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
3292.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
3294.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
有誰比民進黨更打假球 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
3295.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
3297.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
這件事情發生到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
3297.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
3299.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
我們看到的是官官相護 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
3299.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
3301.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
修食安法這麼重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
3301.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
3302.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
當然也重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
3302.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
3303.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
下午也要修 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
3303.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
3305.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
可是到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
3305.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
3308.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
我相信人民看到現在的發生的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
3308.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
3311.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
我都在想修食安法到底有沒有用 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
3311.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
3313.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
現在我們看到的是行政部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
3313.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
3317.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
國營企業彼此之間官官相護 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
3317.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
3320.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
居然5月台糖就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
3320.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
3322.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
結果沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
3322.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
3323.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
3323.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
3326.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
現在政府各部門卻還在維護台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
3326.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
3328.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
說他是乖寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
3328.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
3330.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
說沒有通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
3332.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
3335.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
連高檢署的檢察官都出來打臉 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
3335.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
3338.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
說通報是法定的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
3340.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
3343.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
我們看到台糖的總公司在台南 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
3344.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
3345.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
另外法治上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
3345.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
3349.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
也適用於當時賴清德當市長的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
3349.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
3353.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
台南市的食品安全管理自治條例第八條 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
3353.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
3355.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
食品業者發現上游供應之食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
3355.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
3360.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
有危害消費者生命身體或健康之餘的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
3360.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
3364.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
因自發現起48小時之內主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
3365.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
3366.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
本府的衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
3367.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
3371.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
台糖發現問題有品的部門在高雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
3371.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
3375.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
適用高雄市的食品安全管理自治條例第十條 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
3375.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
3380.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
食品製造業者發現食品有危害消費者生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
3380.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
3382.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
身體健康或財產之餘時 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
3383.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
3387.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
除因依相關法令通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
3387.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
3389.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
或目的事業主管機關外 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
3389.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
3393.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
並應該主動對外說明及提出消費者補償方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
3394.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
3397.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
而依食安法的第三條第一項第一款 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
3397.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
3402.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
食品是指工人飲食或咀嚼的產品及其原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
3402.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
3403.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
3404.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
3409.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
也就是台糖知道其原料商中聯有紙有品原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
3409.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
3412.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
有問題的時候依上述的自治條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
3412.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
3417.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
台糖總公司就應該要通報台南市政府的衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
3417.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
3421.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
台糖的有品部門分公司應該主動對外說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
3421.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
3424.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
而不是只是告訴中聯有紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
3425.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
3427.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
所以剛剛講到我們都很擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
3427.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
3430.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
依照現在的政府的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
3430.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
3431.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
官官相護的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
3432.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
3433.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
蓋牌的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
3434.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
3436.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
現在修法是不是真的有用 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
3439.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
3443.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
之前食藥署在辣椒粉蘇丹紅事件的時候也說 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
3445.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
3447.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
為了維護民眾身體健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
3447.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
3450.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
再次提醒基於自主管理及企業社會責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
3450.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
3451.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
請確認原料安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
3452.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
3454.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
以確保產品之安全衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
3456.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
3457.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
再來開會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
3457.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
3461.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
在2024年3月11號也是食藥署的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
3461.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
3464 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
還有自主通報有疑慮之產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
3464.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
3469.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
食品業者於發現原料或產品有危害衛生安全之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
3469.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
3473.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
應主動停止製造加工販賣及辦理回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
3473.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
3476.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
並通報直轄市縣市主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
3476.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
3479.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
違反者應該要依食安法第47條 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
3479.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
3483.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
第二款除新台幣3萬以上3百萬以下的罰鍰 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
3483.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
3485.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
食藥署重申 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
3485.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
3488.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
藉由嚴格把關源頭支援料安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
3488.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
3493.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
並透過政府及業者攜手守護食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
3493.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
3495.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
堅決遏制不法行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
3496.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
3499.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
食安法的根本用意不就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
3500.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
3502.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
民進黨一直在講的食安五環 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
3502.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
3506.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
不就是應該從源頭保護人民食品的安全嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
3506.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
3507.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
讓大家吃得安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
3508.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
3510.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
這不是人民最基本的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
3510.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
3512.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
和最基本想要的東西嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
3513.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
3516.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
但是現在的行政部門看到的還是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
3516.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
3518.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
居然可以說這不是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
3519.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
3523.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
居然可以說台糖不勝爆是好寶寶好棒棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
3524.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
3527.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
這是讓人民痛心疾首的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
3527.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
3528.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
所以剛剛還有委員說對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
3529.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
3532.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
這個主席排審對於這個主題感到很失望 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
3533.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
3538.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
我想現在全體人民最失望的是現在的民進黨政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
3540.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
3542.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
謝謝廖委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
3542.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
3543.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
接下來請李坤城委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
3550.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
3552.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
他要登記了 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
3564.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
3565.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
3566.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
3568.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
基本上怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
3569.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
3572.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
基本上今天這個衛門會 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
3572.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
3573.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
所排的這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
3574.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
3577.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
蓋牌吃案當門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
3577.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
3578.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
這個專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
3579.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
3582.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
這個專案報告基本上就是先射箭再劃靶 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
3583.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
3584.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
先射箭再劃靶 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
3585.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
3587.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
你說這個台糖有沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
3587.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
3589.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
有沒有通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
3590.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
3593.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
如果說按照目前的這個食安法的第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
3594.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
3596.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
他們的台糖是買的是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
3597.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
3600.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
不像這個南僑買的是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
3600.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
3604.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
如果說大家認為說原料也要有通報的義務的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
3604.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
3606.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
那我們就來修食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
3606.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
3612.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
修食安法不是現在我們今天應該要來討論的主題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
3613.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
3614.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
但是呢我看 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
3615.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
3618.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
這個再也得要排一個蓋牌吃案當門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
3619.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
3622.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
這個我覺得比較適用在 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
3622.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
3623.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
盧秀燕 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
3624.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
3626.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
比較適用在盧秀燕 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
3626.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
3629.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
為什麼當中聯出問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
3629.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
3633.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
盧秀燕要蓋牌吃案當門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
3634.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
3637.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
為什麼在野黨要這麼緊張的 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
3637.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
3639.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
要這麼惶恐的 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
3639.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
3642.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
趕快要把責任推給台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
3642.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
3643.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
因為他們知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
3644.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
3648.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
其實真正製造問題的地方是在中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
3648.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
3651.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
中聯就在台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
3651.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
3656.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
台中市政府為什麼這八年只查了一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
3656.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
3659.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
那一次還是配合食藥署去查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
3659.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
3663.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
如果說台中市政府這八年有好好的查的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
3663.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
3667.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
我想中聯不至於發生這個製造問題有的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
3667.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
3670.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
所以誰是真正在蓋牌吃案當門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
3670.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
3671.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
盧秀燕 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
3673.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
3677.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
為什麼這一黨要急著當中聯的門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
3677.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
3679.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
趕快把責任推給台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
3679.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
3681.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
你們把責任推給台糖的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
3681.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
3685.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
你們不就是在當中聯的門神嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
3685.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
3687.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
你們就是在當中聯有恥的門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
3688.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
3692.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
更何況盧秀燕連台南在做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
3692.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
3693.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
她根本搞不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
3694.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
3697.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
還說在台南這個有通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
3697.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
3700.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
就就被這個洪偉哲市長打臉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
3701.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
3703.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
這樣盧秀燕現在連食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
3703.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
3706.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
跟這個器材油都搞不清楚了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
3707.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
3709.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
不要一味的幫盧秀燕護航 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
3709.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
3713.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
在我們立法院排這一種所謂的專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
3713.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
3715 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
這個專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
3715.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
3720.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
這幾個字我原封不動的送還給盧秀燕 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
3720.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
3721.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
還要送還給誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
3722.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
3724.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
也送給蔣萬安 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
3724.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
3726.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
這幾個字也很適合蔣萬安 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
3728.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
3732.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
這個台北市的兒虐案件連環報 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
3732.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
3735.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
這個夏立是幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
3735.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
3738.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
這個問題請問一下蔣萬安有處理了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
3739.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
3740.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
因為蔣萬安沒有處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
3740.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
3744.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
所以我們等一下我們黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
3744.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
3748.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
特別會提出一個臨時的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
3748.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
3749.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
這個要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
3749.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
3751.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
這個為什麼燈光按下來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
3754.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
3756.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
要求衛福部跟教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
3756.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
3759.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
就台北市政府在兒虐的案件上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
3759.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
3763.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
一味的蓋牌 施案 當門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
3763.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
3765.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
還有職權行使適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
3766.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
3767.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
權責分工不清 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
3768.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
3771.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
行政怠惰 監督失靈等情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
3771.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
3774.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
請台北市政府提出調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
3774.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
3777.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
來確保兒童受教權益身心安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
3777.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
3779.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
所以這幾個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
3779.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
3781.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
蓋牌施案當門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
3781.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
3784.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
就在這邊原封不動 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
3784.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
3788.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
送給要當中聯有子門神的盧秀燕 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
3788.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
3791.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
還有他的徒子徒孫們 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
3791.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
3792.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
還有送給蔣萬安 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
3795 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
3796 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
謝謝您的觀賞 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
3797.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
3799.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
接下來請羅庭委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
3799.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
3804.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
陳旭發言登記截止 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
3820.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
3822.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
不好意思 先會議請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
3822.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
3825.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
那個發言時間三分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
3831.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
3833.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
我們剛看到范英委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
3833.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
3835.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
在講話的時候非常卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
3836.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
3837.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
完全都沒有順起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
3838.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
3838.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
3839.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
3841.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
就是感覺到 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
3841.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
3843.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
他們都覺得心虛 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
3844.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
3845.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
今天其實我剛上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
3845.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
3846.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
我沒有要發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
3847.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
3848.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
但是我特別登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
3849.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
3850.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
登記的原因是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
3852.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
3853.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
我要特別感謝李昆辰 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
3854.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
3856.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
謝謝昆辰 熊剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
3857.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
3859.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
誠實的跟大家講 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
3861.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
3862.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
大家可以回放一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
3862.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
3864.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
剛剛李昆辰委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
3864.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
3866.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
他有講說這是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
3866.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
3869.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
所以請確認原料安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
3870.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
3872.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
在這邊再幫他科普一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
3872.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
3873.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
我們看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
3873.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
3875.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
落實自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
3875.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
3877.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
確認原料安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
3877.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
3878.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
一個信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
3878.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
3879.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
我特別多打幾個信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
3880.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
3881.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
讓大家能夠稍微了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
3882.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
3885.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
昆辰熊又特別的幫我們助陣 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
3885.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
3886.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
講它是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
3886.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
3887.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
所以我們就可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
3888.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
3889.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
食品業者應該落實自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
3890.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
3891.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
確認原料符合規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
3892.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
3895.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
我們用蘇丹紅來做舉例 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
3895.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
3897.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
這樣子的一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
3897.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
3898.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
辣椒粉需下架回收外 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
3899.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
3902.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
且直接使用違規辣椒粉的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
3902.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
3905.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
意為下架回收的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
3905.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
3906.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
違反食安法第15條 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
3907.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
3908.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
第一項規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
3908.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
3911.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
處薪台幣六萬到兩億以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
3911.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
3912.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
勤儉重大者 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
3912.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
3914.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
並得命期歇業 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
3914.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
3915.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
停業一定時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
3916.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
3917.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
廢棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
3918.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
3921.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
廢止其公司 商業 工廠之全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
3921.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
3923.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
以及部分登記事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
3923.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
3925.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
或食品業者之登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
3926.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
3927.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
經廢止登錄者 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
3927.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
3930.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
一年內不得再申請重新登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
3931.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
3933.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
違規者產品全數沒入銷毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
3933.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
3936.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
而且自主通報有疑慮之產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
3936.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
3937.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
我們都可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
3937.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
3938.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
用蘇丹紅這樣子的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
3938.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
3939.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
就清楚明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
3939.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
3941.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
原料還是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
3941.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
3944.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
請確認原料的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
3944.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
3946.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
所以再次特別上台 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
3946.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
3947.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
要感謝昆辰熊 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
3948.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
3950.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
我們昆辰委員剛剛有幫我們認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
3950.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
3951.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
他是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
3951.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3953.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
所以我覺得這根本就沒有疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
3953.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3957.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
這個論述就已經透過昆辰熊 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
3957.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3958.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
來幫我們認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3958.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3960.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
我們剛剛國民黨團所有的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3960.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3962.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
在講的這些過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3962.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3964.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
都是希望有其必要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3964.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3967.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
所以今天更希望能夠站在民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3967.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3970.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
我們監督為他們的食安把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
3970.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3971.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
這樣子的一個前提之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3972.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3973.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
我們要更加謹慎 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
3973.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3974.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
要更加小心 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3974.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3977.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
雖然我在這個上台的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3978.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3979.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
沒有說講得非常的順 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3979.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3982.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
但相信應該有比這個泛雲還要順一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3982.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3983.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3987.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3988.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
程序還有完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3990.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3992.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
本日會議上一層圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3993.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3994.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
邀請衛生福利部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
3994.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3997.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
行政院食品安全辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3997.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3999.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
教育部 國防部 經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3999.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
4002.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
台糖糖栗業股份有限公司及行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
4002.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
4007.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
消費者保護處就從治癌事件發展至今 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
4007.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
4009.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
中央一位蓋牌持案單門審 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
4009.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
4012.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
有關行政就有者之重做完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
4012.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
4014.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
完整調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
4014.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
4017.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
含台糖失職食安警訓斷連責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
4017.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
4018.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
團體訴訟求償進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
4018.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
4022.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
及未來如何確保安全無虞的國軍團散 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
4022.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
4025.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
學生營養午餐進行專題報告並備質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
4028.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
4031.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
主席臺這邊收待邱正均委員等 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
4031.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
4035.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
林業勤委員等人分別提議 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
4035.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
4037.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
並跟今月上午的議程 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
4037.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
4040.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
請醫事人員一併宣讀提案內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
4042.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
4044.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
針對今日議程原提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
4044.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
4046.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
便跟優先處理臨時提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
4046.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
4048.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
提案委員邱正均 蘇清泉 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
4048.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
4051.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
王毓民 盧憲義 圖權己 陳金輝 廖偉祥 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
4051.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
4052.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
便跟議程二 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
4053.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
4054.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
說服力及衛生環境委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
4054.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
4058.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
8月5日議程原定審查食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
4058.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
4061.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
部分條文修正草案共37案 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
4061.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
4063.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
回輪值召委於週一增列專題報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
4063.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
4065.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
以標題帶風向以政治口水取代 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
4065.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
4067.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
真正修補食安法險非人民期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
4068.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
4071.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
令人希望現行食安法多著重查驗產品端 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
4071.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
4074.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
未來應該擴及到整個食物的製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
4075.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
4077.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
原提案今日會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
4077.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
4079.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
應優先審查食品安全衛生管理法 |
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4079.71 |
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4081.51 |
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部分條文修正草案共37案 |
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4081.67 |
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4083.83 |
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藉由完整討論詳細審查的修法 |
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4083.99 |
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4086.19 |
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全面檢討食品安全管理制度 |
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4086.35 |
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4087.99 |
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強化源頭與製程管理 |
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4088.15 |
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4089.91 |
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落實業者的自主管理 |
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4090.07 |
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4092.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
及增加自主檢驗頻率 |
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4092.31 |
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4095.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
增加地方主管機關風險導向查核機制 |
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4095.83 |
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4097.03 |
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補齊制度性的缺失 |
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4097.19 |
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4098.07 |
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方偉人民期待 |
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4098.23 |
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4100.23 |
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提案委員林月 請劉建國 黃秀芳 |
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4101.59 |
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王振旭宣讀完畢 |
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4105.02 |
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4106.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
請問今天議程依照提案 |
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4107.14 |
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4109.3 |
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第二案建議先除了臨時提案 |
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4109.46 |
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4111.7 |
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再進行總體報告 |
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4111.86 |
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4113.54 |
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因為議程變更 |
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4114.82 |
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提案內容互斥 |
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4114.98 |
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4116.58 |
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我們若提案通過以後 |
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4116.74 |
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4118.3 |
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就不再處理第二案 |
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4118.46 |
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4120.1 |
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請問各位委員有沒有異議 |
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4124.96 |
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由於我們依據立法院 |
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4125.12 |
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4127.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
議事規則第17條規定進行表決 |
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4128 |
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4129.64 |
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我們才能舉手表決 |
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4129.8 |
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4132.84 |
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表決前請議事人先請點出席委員人數 |
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4144.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
4146.13 |
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在場出席12人 |
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4147.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
4149.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
不然主席現在開始表決 |
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4149.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
4151.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
贊成者舉手 |
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4172.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
4174.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
方向阜�да宸 |
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4174.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
4175.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
請舉手 |
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4178.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
4179.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
謝謝 謝謝 |
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4181.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
4182.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
謝謝 |
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4184.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
4185.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
不知道說什麼 |
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4187.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
4190.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
這是第21 threads |
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4194.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
4195.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
resist |
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4199.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
4202.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
暫且則多數本案通過 |
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4204.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
4207.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
暫且則多數本案通過 |
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4211.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
4214.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
其實針對那個變更第二案有沒有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
4214.05 |
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4215.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
好 |
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4215.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
4217.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
現在針對變更第二案有沒有意義 |
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4218.22 |
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4220.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
第二案 |
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4220.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
4222.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
對 |
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4222.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
4224.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
有講另一案嗎 |
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4224.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
4226.22 |
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剛才有宣讀過第二案 |
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4226.22 |
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4228.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
林月晴等人 |
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4228.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
4230.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
先處理法案 |
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4230.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
4232.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
有意義進行表決 |
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4232.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
4234.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
有意義進行表決 |
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4234.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
4236.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
贊成者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
4242.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
4244.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
有意義進行表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
4244.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
4246.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
有意義進行表決 |
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4246.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
4248.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
有意義進行表決 |
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4248.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
4250.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
有意義進行表決 |
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4250.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
4252.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
有意義進行表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
4252.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
4254.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
有意義進行表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
4254.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
4256.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
有意義進行表決 |
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4256.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
4258.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
有意義進行表決 |
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4258.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
4260.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
有意義進行表決 |
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4260.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
4262.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
有意義進行表決 |
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4262.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
4264.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
有意義進行表決 |
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4264.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
4266.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
有意義進行表決 |
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4266.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
4268.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
有意義進行表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
4268.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
4270.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
有意義進行表決 |
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4243.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
4245.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
反對者請舉手 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
4245.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
4247.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
反對者請舉手 |
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4250.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
4252.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
要追真相 |
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4252.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
4254.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
然後也要去打案 |
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4254.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
4256.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
沒有真相就抬頭 |
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4256.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
4258.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
贊成者少數 |
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4258.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
4260.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
請放下 |
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4262.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
4264.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
請放下 |
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4264.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
4266.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
贊成者少數,本案不通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
4267.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
4269.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
現在處理臨時提案 |
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4269.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
4271.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
共四案 |
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4271.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
4273.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
請醫事聯合主案宣讀提案內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
4275.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
4277.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
臨時提案一 |
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4298.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
4300.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
衛生福利部與經濟部 |
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4300.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
4302.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
競集力為台糖護航 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
4302.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
4304.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
不僅指稱非食安法通報義務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
4304.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
4306.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
通報義務部因無限上綱 |
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4306.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
4308.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
就像去菜市場買菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
4308.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
4310.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
不會通報整個菜市場的攤商 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
4310.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
4312.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
誰有爛菜業 |
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4312.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
4314.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
更稱讚台糖是用高標準自我檢驗的乖寶寶 |
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4314.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
4316.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
以致民意無法接受 |
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4316.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
4318.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
並反彈勝聲 |
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4318.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
4320.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
又臺灣高檢署主任檢察官 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
4320.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
4322.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
更表達經濟部說 |
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4322.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
4324.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
通報義務部因無限上綱 |
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4324.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
4326.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
並不能取代對法定構成要件的法律分析 |
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4326.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
4328.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
也不能成為淡化法律責任的理由 |
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4328.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
4330.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
真正不能無限上綱的是 |
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4330.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
4332.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
行政機關對法律的解釋 |
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4332.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
4334.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
更明言通報並非行政機關的恩惠 |
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4334.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
4336.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
而是法律明定的義務 |
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4336.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
4338.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
是以基於我國的食品安全制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
4338.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
4340.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
真正是要讓政府及早掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
4340.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
4342.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
重大食品安全風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
4342.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
4344.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
讓國家社會避免不必要的食安危機 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
4344.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
4346.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
其目的在於要求業者 |
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4346.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
4348.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
寧可及早通報 |
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4348.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
4350.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
也不要延誤通報 |
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4350.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
4352.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
因此主管機關的責任則是 |
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4352.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
4354.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
在接獲通報後迅速查證事實說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
4354.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
4356.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
而非讓業者自行決定哪些事件 |
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4356.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
4358.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
值得通報 |
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4358.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
4360.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
哪些事件可以不通報 |
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4360.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
4362.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
附以查食品安全管理法 |
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4362.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
4364.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
第三條第一項開宗明義及 |
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4364.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
4366.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
定義食品 |
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4368.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
4370.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
指工人飲食或舉爵之產品及其原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
4370.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
4372.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
且食品藥物管理署早於 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
4372.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
4374.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
2024年3月10日官方新聞稿 |
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4374.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
4376.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
明確揭示食品業者 |
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4376.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
4378.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
只要發現原料或產品有危害 |
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4378.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
4380.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
衛生安全之虞就應主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
4380.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
4382.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
地方主管機關違者依實 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
4382.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
4384.12 |
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安法第47條課處 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
4384.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
4386.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
3萬以上300萬元以下罰還此外 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
4386.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
4388.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
刑事訴訟法第241條 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
4388.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
4390.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
亦有規定公務員應 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
4391.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
4393.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
執行職務之有犯罪嫌疑者 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
4393.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
4395.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
因違告發據此台唐申委國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
4395.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
4397.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
經濟部與衛生福利部 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
4397.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
4399.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
申委主管機關肩負的不僅 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
4399.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
4401.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
是法律程序上的行政義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
4401.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
4403.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
更承擔公共利益的責任 |
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4403.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
4405.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
然而衛生福利部卻以追究 |
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4405.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
4407.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
台唐不了解這個邏輯來閃躲 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
4407.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
4409.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
經濟部刻意把重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
4409.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
4411.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
食安警訊扭曲成日常小事 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
4411.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
4413.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
企圖混淆視聽與弄社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
4413.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
4415.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
目的在幫國營事業掩蓋 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
4415.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
4417.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
知情不報的重罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
4417.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
4419.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
台唐董事長恐涉瀆職實在離譜 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
4419.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
4421.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
中年有指致癌毒油 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
4421.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
4423.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
習臺風暴迄今國人只見賴著 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
4423.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
4425.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
政府官員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
4425.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
4427.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
油嘴滑舌一味掩蓋 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
4427.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
4429.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
台唐是蓋派的功犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
4429.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
4431.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
真相為台唐開脫責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
4431.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
4433.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
全民食安彷彿與他們無關 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
4433.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
4435.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
原則要求社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
4435.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
4437.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
做成決議衛生福利部部長與 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
4437.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
4439.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
經濟部部長因為此向 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].start |
4439.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
4441.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
全民正式道歉外 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
4441.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
4443.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
於一周內追究相關人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].start |
4443.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
4445.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
韓部長政風人員行政責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
4445.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].end |
4447.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
並將懲處結果送交本委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
4447.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
4449.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
存查 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
4449.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
4451.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
提案委員王毓民訴金權曾經會求會入 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].start |
4451.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
4453.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
4456.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
4458.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
現在請行政機關表示意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
4464.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
4466.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
主席各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
4466.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
4468.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
有關於這個案子我們完全不能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
4469.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
4471.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
主管機關依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
4471.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
4473.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
維護國人的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].start |
4473.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
4475.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
從未鬆懈 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].start |
4475.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
4477.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
真正蓋牌的 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].start |
4478.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
4480.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
是中聯是檢調所調查當中的 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
4480.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
4482.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
泰山福茂福壽 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
4484.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
4486.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
主管機關中央主管機關從未蓋牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
4486.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
4488.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
所以對這樣的指控 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].start |
4488.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
4490.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
跟扭曲無法接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].start |
4495.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
4497.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
請委員表示意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
4505.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
4507.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
法案內容無法獲得修正的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
4507.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
4509.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
我們就按照原提案內容通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
4509.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
4511.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
請問委員會有沒有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
4516.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
4518.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
有意義我們就進行表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
4523.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
4525.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
現在委員王毓民等人 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
4525.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
4527.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
提議本日會議才 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
4527.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
4529.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
點名表決請 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
4529.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
4531.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
檔案採用點名表決有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
4534.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
4536.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
沒有意義我們就進行點名表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
4541.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
4543.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
立法院點名表決辦法相關規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
4543.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
4545.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
以初學委員千代步 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
4545.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
4547.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
為名冊 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
4547.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
4549.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
本席一千代步持續唱明 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
4549.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
4551.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
在場委員唱到姓名時 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
4551.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
4553.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
贊成者請說贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
4553.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
4555.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
反對者請說反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
4555.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
4557.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
棄權者請說棄權 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
4557.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
4559.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
一概辦法第六條第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
4559.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
4561.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
依次唱名續籍主席姓名時免於唱名 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
4561.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
4563.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
主席表決權之行使 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
4563.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
4565.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
依立法院之前行使法第六條 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
4565.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
4567.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
後段規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
4567.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
4569.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
唱名完畢應即進行計算宣告結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
4578.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
4580.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
一千代步順序 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
4580.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
4582.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
李業勤委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
4583.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
4585.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
4584.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
4586.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
謝謝收看 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
4586.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
4588.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
4587.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
4589.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
4589.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
4591.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
陳金輝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
4591.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
4593.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
陳金輝 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
4593.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
4595.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
王玉明委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
4596.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
4598.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
邱鶴樂園 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
4598.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
4600.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
陳金輝 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
4599.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
4601.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
鄭君委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
4601.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
4603.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
洪秀芳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
4604.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
4606.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
賴慧祥委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
4606.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
4608.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
陳勤全委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
4609.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
4611.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
屠權集委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
4612.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
4614.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
劉建國委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
4614.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
4616.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
王政序委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
4617.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
4619.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
陳雲委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
4626.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
4628.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
陳鑫議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
4628.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
4630.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
陳鑫議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
4630.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
4632.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
陳鑫議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
4632.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
4634.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
陳鑫議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
4634.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
4636.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
陳鑫議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
4636.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
4638.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
陳鑫議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
4638.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
4640.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
陳鑫議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
4640.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
4642.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
陳鑫議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
4642.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
4644.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
陳鑫議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
4644.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
4646.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
陳鑫議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
4646.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
4648.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
陳鑫議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
4648.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
4650.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
陳鑫議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
4650.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
4652.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
陳鑫議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
4652.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
4654.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
陳鑫議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
4637.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
4639.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
表決結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
4639.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
4641.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
在場出席委員12人不含主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
4641.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
4643.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
贊成者7人反對者5人 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
4643.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
4645.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
期權人數0人 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
4645.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
4647.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
贊成者多數過半 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
4650.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
4652.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
照案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
4653.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
4655.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
現在進行第二案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].start |
4658.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
4675.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
第二案針對食藥署7月4日召開專家會議請各領域專家出席包含食品安全獨立及風險評估等共同檢視中聯公司於7月3日提送台中市政府的異常發生原因分析矯正措施及預防再發措施報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
4675.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
4684.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
並由中聯公司列席說明相關報告兼專家審慎討論後認定中聯公司未提出有效改善措施決議不准復工一事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
4684.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
4690.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
建請衛生福利部食品藥物管理署公開115年7月4日當天的專家會議記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
4690.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
4694.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
讓社會各界充分了解討論內容及決策依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
4694.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
4700.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
以落實資訊公開政策透明避免外界造成誤解或不實傳播 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
4700.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
4708.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
同時也請食藥署將當日會議記錄相關影音及文件資料全數含送檢調機關已正視聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
4708.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
4712.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
提案委員林月琴、黃秀芳、王振旭、劉建國宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
4714.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
4716.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
可使表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
4719.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
4723.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
MING PAO CANADA .com |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
4722.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
4724.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
請問您有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
4724.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
4727.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
嗯 沒事吧 請慢一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
4732.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
4735.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
好 請行政機關表示意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
4735.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
4736.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
OK 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
4738.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
4740.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
主席、各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
4740.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
4742.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
有關這個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
4742.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
4750.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
7月4日當天的專家會議相關記錄或影音錄音檔、文件資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
4750.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
4757.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
事實上我們在日前就已經全部送交檢調機關來查明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
4757.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
4760.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
讓大家以正視聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
4760.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
4761.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
這個我們已經做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
4762.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
4763.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
4763.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
4765.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
從剛剛第一個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
4765.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
4768.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
那麼這樣的扭曲跟指控 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
4768.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
4771.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
我覺得非常的痛心、遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
4771.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
4774.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
所以謝謝委員本案的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
4774.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
4779.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
我們今天就會把所有的會議記錄公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
4781.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
4782.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
4787.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
4788.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
4788.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
4790.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
前面的委員有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
4790.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
4791.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
4794.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
4796.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
如果沒有意見就在案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
4799.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
4800.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
宣讀第三案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
4801.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
4802.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
第三案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
4871 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
4875 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
提案委員林月請留建國、黃秀芳、王振旭、陳瑩宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
4876.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
4878.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
請現在機關表示意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
4882.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
4884.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
主席跟各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
4884.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
4886.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
我想這個額虐事件也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
4886.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
4888.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
食安事件也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
4889.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
4891.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
那麼在這些事件上的處理上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
4892.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
4896.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
一項都是由中央制定相關的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
4896.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
4897.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
相關的指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
4898.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
4901.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
那麼地方需要去落實執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
4901.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
4904.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
中央跟地方一起合作無間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
4904.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
4908.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
才能夠真正杜絕這些食安的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
4908.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
4910.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
跟額虐的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
4910.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
4912.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
所以對於一連串發生的這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
4912.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
4914.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
台北市的這些額虐事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
4914.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
4918.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
我們深深的感到痛心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
4918.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
4922.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
那麼我們一定會來跟台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
4922.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
4924.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
那麼一起就這些事件上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
4924.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
4927.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
那麼儘速的提出一些報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
4927.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
4929.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
來確保我們兒童的受教權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
4929.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
4931.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
跟身心安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
4931.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
4933.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
所以本案我們競表同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
4934.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
4936.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
好前面委員有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
4937.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
4937.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
4942.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
4942.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
4944.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
4945.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
4955.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
4959.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
在我們2026年的7月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
4959.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
4962.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
又爆發了我們台北市的夏立思幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
4963.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
4965.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
圓的集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
4965.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
4967.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
再度的爆發額虐 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
4967.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
4969.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
今天2025年的2月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
4969.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
4974.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
就已經有多達76起的不當對待 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
4974.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
4977.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
在我們的夏立思幼兒園的天母分園 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
4977.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
4979.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
受害孩子13人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
4979.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
4982.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
結果照樣我們的蔣市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
4982.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
4985.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
還是把他親筆的感謝卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
4985.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
4988.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
跟全家福的合照作為招生宣傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
4988.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
4991.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
導致家長繼續把孩子送到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
4991.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
4993.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
我們的夏立思幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
4993.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
4995.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
那今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
4996.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
4998.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
再度的再發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
4998.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
5001.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
為什麼在2025年2月的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
5001.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
5004.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
發生這麼樣重大的76起的不當對待 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
5004.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
5006.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
一個幼兒園可以76起 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
5006.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
5008.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
然後13個孩子受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
5008.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
5011.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
那市府完全沒有列管追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
5011.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
5014.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
那也沒有對於該連鎖集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
5014.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
5016.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
進行更嚴格的管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
5016.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
5019.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
反而事實上讓他的感謝卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
5019.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
5021.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
跟他的全家福合照 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
5021.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
5023.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
作為招生的宣傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
5023.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
5025.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
讓家長真的認為蔣市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
5025.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
5027.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
如果是寡婆情的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
5027.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
5029.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
那安全教保都安全無虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
5029.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
5031.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
讓孩子繼續送那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
5031.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
5034.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
結果今年度又再發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
5034.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
5036.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
那而且這該家幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
5036.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
5037.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
除了虐童以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
5037.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
5040.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
還涉及到衛生缺失跟操守 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
5041.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
5043.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
還有消防安全之約問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
5044.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
5047.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
一個守善之都對我們的兒童 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
5048.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
5050.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
保護跟兒童安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
5050.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
5053.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
竟然事實上是這麼樣的漠視 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
5053.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
5055.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
那我覺得衛生福利部跟教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
5055.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
5057.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
都應該要針對台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
5057.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
5060.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
在兒虐案件上一昧的蓋牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
5060.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
5062.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
施案當門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
5062.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
5064.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
以及職權行使失當 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
5064.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
5066.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
職權分工不清 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
5066.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
5067.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
甚至 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
5068.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
5070.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
還有一個凱斯幼兒園也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
5070.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
5071.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
改名字繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
5071.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
5075.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
然後又連發了三起的兒虐不當對待 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
5077.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
5080.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
真的事實上是我們台北市的孩子的福氣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
5080.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
5082.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
都一直在講少子話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
5082.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
5085.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
可是有真的把我們的孩子當寶貝嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
5085.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
5087.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
如果是三寶寶的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
5087.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
5088.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
那應該要把我們的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
5088.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
5090.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
每個孩子當自己的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
5090.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
5092.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
而不是任由自己的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
5092.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
5093.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
很受到保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
5093.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
5096.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
結果台北市的市民的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
5096.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
5097.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
根本不當一回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
5097.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
5100.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
所以我們也希望趕快提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
5100.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
5101.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
我們的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
5101.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
5102.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
來確保我們孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
5102.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
5104.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
受教權益跟身心安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
5104.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
5105.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
5107 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
5108 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
請問我有沒有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
5110.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
5112.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
沒有意義我們就照提案內容通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
5113.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
5115.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
現在進行第四案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
5117.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
5118.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
第四案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
5136.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
5138.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
請行政機關表示意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
5143.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
5146.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
這一案跟前一案的提案是相同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
5146.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
5151.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
也是對於台北市連續發生的這些兒虐事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
5151.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
5153.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
那麼我們會來進行檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
5153.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
5154.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
5154.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
5156.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
我剛剛已經提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
5156.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
5159.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
這個都是需要中央跟地方的合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
5159.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
5162.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
那麼特別是地方首長的重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
5162.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
5164.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
更是這個成敗的關鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
5164.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
5166.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
所以這個我們會來提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
5166.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
5168.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
好謝謝請問我有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
5170.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
5172.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
沒有意見我們就按照提案內容通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
5174.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
5176.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
臨時提案處理完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
5176.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
5178.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
好接著介紹在場委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
5180.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
5181.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
李玉琴 詹瑋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
5183.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
5184.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
完整區委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
5186.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
5187.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
劉建國委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
5188.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
5189.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
黃秀芳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
5190.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
5191.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
藏語委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
5192.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].end |
5193.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
陳怡委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
5194.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
5195.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
王立民委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
5197.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
5198.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
圖權集委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].start |
5199.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
5200.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
廖維祥委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
5202.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
5203.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
蘇青權委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
5204.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
5205.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
邱振軍委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
5206.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
5207.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
陳金輝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
5209.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
5210.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
邱振入委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
5212.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
5213.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
介紹列席官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
5213.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
5215.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
衛生福利部石崇洋部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
5216.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
5217.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
江志剛署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
5219.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
5223.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
行政院消費者保護處處長鍾瑞蘭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
5224.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
5226.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
食品安全辦公室主任徐甫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
5228.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
5231.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
教育部學情教育署副署長蓋十分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
5234.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].end |
5237.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
國防部後勤管理處處長賀志豪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
5239.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
5243.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
陸軍副使公務中心主任江振賢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
5244.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
5246.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
經濟部常務處長賴建信 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
5249.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
5251.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
國民事業管理師市長胡文中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
5252.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
5254.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
法治師專委林雨馨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].start |
5257.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
5259.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
長官署署長谷宇松 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
5261.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
5263.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
草拔署署長蔡群儀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].start |
5265.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
5268.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
台糖股份有限公司副總經理蔡東霖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
5270.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
5272.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
法務部主任檢察官蔡元貞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
5275.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
5277.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
司法衛生司法官楊書蘭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
5282.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
5285.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
接下來請衛生福利部石成良部長就專題進行報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
5292.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
5294.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
主席跟各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
5294.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
5300.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
以下就今天大院所關切的中聯食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
5300.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
5305.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
中聯油脂公司的油脂案進行報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
5305.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
5311.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
本案是在115年6月30日下午46分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
5312.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
5316.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
才接獲到中聯油脂股份有限公司通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].start |
5316.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
5324.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
對於他的大豆沙拉有不符食品安全衛生管理法的相關本篇筆的鈔票規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
5324.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
5327.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
我們就立即啟動了應變的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].start |
5327.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
5329.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
那麼首先第一呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].start |
5329.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
5336.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
在7月1號就會同台中市政府這個食安處前往中聯公司查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].start |
5336.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
5345.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
並且要求中聯公司7月1號開始就已經停止了大豆沙拉油的製造及出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
5345.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
5352.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
包含那麼今天那麼台糖沒有採購的這個脫膠出油的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
5352.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
5356.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
一樣不能夠持續進行加工製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
5356.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
5358.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
更不可出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
5358.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
5362.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
那麼在為釐清原因跟改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
5362.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
5363.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
進 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
5363.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
5368.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
地方主管機關審查通過之前不得恢復作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
5369.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
5370.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
那麼第二呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
5370.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
5376.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
那麼在這個事件之後也立即啟動了下架回收的作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
5376.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
5380.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
在7月4號召開了專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
5380.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
5384.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
那麼逐步擴大預防性下架作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
5384.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
5392.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
直到7月9號那麼宣布全面性4到6月的中聯的製造油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
5392.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
5397.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
全面在7月10號中午12點之前完成下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
5398.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
5401.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
那麼第三我們擴大了抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
5401.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
5404.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
為了確保所有油品的安全性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
5404.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
5408.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
那麼食藥署啟動擴大的抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
5408.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
5414.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
針對4到6月所生產的30批的油品全素抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
5416.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
5431.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
那麼最終確認共有7批是不合格的油品不得上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
5431.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
5432.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
那麼其餘呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
5432.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
5437.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
則在7月21號那麼召開了食品風險評估致意會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
5437.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
5439.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
確認檢驗結果之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
5439.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
5440.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
5441.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
5448.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
19批油品及其檢驗合格的產品那麼可以重新的上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
5448.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
5451.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
至於尚未出貨的原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
5451.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
5460.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
仍然維持在中聯的這個廠方不得在這一次的上架的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
5460.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
5463.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
那麼至於這個調查的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
5463.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
5470.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
我們也在7月21號那麼有這個獨立的這個專家小組進場調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
5470.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
5475.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
我們也已經在7月27號公佈了調查的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
5475.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
5481.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
那麼呈現本次的事件主要是來自於高風險的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].start |
5481.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
5486.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
為搭配製程及檢驗的監測管理所致 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].start |
5488 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
5491 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
那麼也給予相關的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].start |
5492.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
5496.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
檢討的要求那麼由地方政府去落實執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].start |
5496.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
5499.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
那麼至於今天大家所關切的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
5499.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
5502.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
台糖在5月11日 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
5502.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
5507.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
自中聯公司取樣油槽檢體送驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
5507.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
5511.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
那麼7月15號檢驗結果呈現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
5511.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
5515.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
未達其合約的驗收標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
5515.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
5519.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
而未於採購收貨的相關疑義 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
5519.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
5521.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
那麼我也做以下的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
5521.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
5526.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
依照食安法第3條第一款的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
5526.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
5531.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
所稱食品為公飲食或咀嚼之 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
5533.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
5536.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
這個產品及其原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
5537.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
5541.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
那麼食安法的第7條第5項也明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
5541.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
5546.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
食品業者對於產品有危害健康治癒的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
5546.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
5550.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
應該要向主管機關進行通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
5551.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
5554.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
那麼這個是法律上那麼明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
5554.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
5556.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
那麼我們當然可以理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
5556.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
5559.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
那麼各位委員跟國人對於食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
5559.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
5562.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
那麼我們絕對是用最高的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
5562.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
5565.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
那麼希望能夠達到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
5565.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
5569.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
國人的這個飲食的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
5569.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
5571.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
那麼不過在法律上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
5571.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
5574.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
那麼我們必須也要依法的行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
5574.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
5576.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
那麼以本案來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
5576.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
5580.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
那麼他所當時候的採購對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
5580.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
5583.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
對象為脫交原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
5583.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
5585.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
那麼脫交原油呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].start |
5585.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
5590.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
是在食用大豆沙拉油製成當中的中間產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
5590.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
5594.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
那麼上不適屬於法定的產 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
5594.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
5596.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
最終的這個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
5596.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
5601.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
而我們所訂的這個食品安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
5601.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
5607.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
那麼是按照食安法第17條所訂的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
5608.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
5614.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
叫做直接供食品中汙染物質及毒素衛生標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
5614.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
5620.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
那麼所訂的是針對是食用油脂的這個扁平皮標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
5620.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
5622.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
那麼因此對照之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
5622.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
5627.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
那麼並沒有脫交原油的這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
5627.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
5631.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
所以這個是跟大院來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
5631.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
5635.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
那麼至於外界也提到這個辣椒粉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
5635.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
5639.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
違法使用蘇丹紅那麼這個通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
5639.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
5643.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
辣椒粉本身就已經是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
5643.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
5645.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
那麼蘇丹紅呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
5645.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
5647.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
則是禁用物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
5647.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
5651.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
那麼不屬於食品安全衛生標準所訂的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
5651.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
5653.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
他是不得添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
5653.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
5657.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
那麼因此當時候我們才會明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
5657.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
5659.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
因為他是不得添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
5659.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
5661.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
所以不論是在原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
5661.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
5664.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
或者是產品都不可以出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
5664.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
5669.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
所以這個是兩者之間不可以相同並論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
5669.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
5670.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
所以簡單的講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
5670.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
5676.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
我們所訂的扁平皮標準是針對食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
5676.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
5681.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
而這一次的爭議對象是脫交原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
5681.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
5684.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
那麼他並不是食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
5684.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
5687.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
那麼他上有其他的用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
5687.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
5689.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
譬如他可以做肥皂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
5689.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
5692.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
譬如他可以去做工業油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
5692.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
5696.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].text |
所以這個是也跟各位委員說一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
5696.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
5700.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
那麼至於消費團體訴訟的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
5700.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
5704.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
那麼行政院的消費者保護處 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
5704.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
5708.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
在7月9號也已經召開團體訴訟的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
5708.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
5711.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
來協調消保團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
5711.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
5714.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
包含台銷會跟消極會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
5714.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
5718.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
來受理民眾的請求損害賠償 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
5718.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
5723.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
那麼後續也會以食安基金來給予 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
5723.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
5727.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
在雙方訴訟過程當中的費用的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
5727.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
5729.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
那麼以上的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
5729.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
5731.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
再請大院委員指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
5733.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
5734.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
現在開始詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
5734.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
5735.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
做一下宣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
5735.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
5739.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
有關本次會議各項書面資料均列入記錄刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
5739.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
5741.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
本會委員詢討時間6加2分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
5741.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
5743.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
列席委員4加1分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].start |
5743.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].end |
5745.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].text |
4點半截止發言登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].start |
5745.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].end |
5747.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].text |
委員沒有書面質詢前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].start |
5747.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].end |
5749.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
散會前提出預期不受理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].start |
5749.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
5751.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
暫定4點半休息10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].start |
5751.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].end |
5755.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].text |
現在請登記地位委員林業請召委發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].start |
5760.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].end |
5762.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].text |
謝謝主席有請時部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
5766.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
5768.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
5767.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].end |
5769.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].text |
部長早 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].start |
5769.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].end |
5771.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
我想中年由事件爆發以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
5771.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].end |
5775.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
各種檢討的聲音都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
5775.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].end |
5778.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
可是今天我本來很期待是要趕快討論食安法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].start |
5778.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
5780.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].text |
可是未卜足現有的法規的不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
5780.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
5782.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
可是但 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
5783.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
5785.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
國民黨變更議程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].start |
5785.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
5787.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
討論食安法的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
5787.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
5789.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
拿來做政治卸責政治攻擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
5789.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
5791.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
事情已經很清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
5791.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].end |
5793.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
中聯得知原料有問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
5793.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].end |
5795.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
能來繼續生產有問題的食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].start |
5795.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
5797.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
除了施法究責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
5797.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
5799.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
還當然必須要補 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].start |
5799.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
5801.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
修補我們食安法才能避免下一個中聯油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].start |
5801.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].end |
5803.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
國民黨一下攻擊食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
5803.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
5805.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
一下子攻擊台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
5805.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
5807.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
國民黨吵了一個多月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
5807.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
5809.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
就是不講中聯油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
5809.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
5811.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
當中聯油早 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
5811.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
5813.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
代罪羔羊就是國民黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
5813.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].end |
5815.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
護航中聯油的策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
5815.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
5817.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
包括今天不討論食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
5817.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
5819.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
也就是國民黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
5819.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
5821.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
護航中聯油的手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
5821.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
5823.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
所以今天用中央一昧的蓋牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
5823.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
5825.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
吃案當門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
5825.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
5827.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
作為專案報告的一個題目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
5827.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
5829.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
這根本不是解決問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
5829.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
5831.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
而是拿來進行政治操作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
5831.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
5833.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
如果真的這麼在乎食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
5833.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
5835.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
就應該要好好的花一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
5835.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
5837.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
好好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
5838.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
5840.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
審查然後把漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
5840.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
5842.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
補好來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
5842.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
5844.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
所以今天最重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
5844.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
5846.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
就是要先確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
5846.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
5848.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
台糖的油到底有沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
5848.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
5850.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
有沒有變成問題油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
5850.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
5852.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
被民眾吃下肚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
5852.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
5854.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
我要直接請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
5854.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
5856.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
台糖到底有沒有使用中聯油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
5856.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
5858.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
這批有問題的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
5858.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
5860.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
台糖油是安全的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
5860.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
5862.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
這個跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
5862.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
5866.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
在從今年的一月到六月間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
5866.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
5868.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
那麼台糖對他的油品的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
5868.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
5870.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
他自主檢驗12次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
5870.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
5872.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
那麼地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
5872.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
5874.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
也去抽驗了12次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
5874.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
5876.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
那麼我們食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
5876.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
5878.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
也進場去抽驗了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
5878.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
5880.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
8個樣次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
5880.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
5882.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
所以32個檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
5882.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
5884.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
都是符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
5894.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
5896.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
時間到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
5896.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
5898.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
可以按時間上庭了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
5940.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
5942.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
稍微微整他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
5966.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
5968.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
5970.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
5972.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
老師我們先休息10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
6065.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
6067.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
6070.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
6072.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
6151.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
6153.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
6154.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
6156.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
6158.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
6160.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
沒事我跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
6164 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
6166 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
6172.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
6174.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
6173.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
6175.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
6184.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
6186.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
6188.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
6190.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
應該是對他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
6221.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
6223.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
6223.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
6225.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
6229.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
6231.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
6265.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
6267.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
6436.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
6438.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
6557.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
6559.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
6561.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
6563.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
6569.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
6571.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
6607.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
6609.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
6611.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
6613.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
我們下次回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
6613.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
6615.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
好大好大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
6615.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
6617.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
再一下對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
6620.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
6622.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
6643.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
6645.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
現在進行繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
6651.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
6653.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
6653.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
6655.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
請李瑞請召委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
6659.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
6661.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
主席謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
6661.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
6663.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
那部長你繼續講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
6663.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
6665.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
我剛問的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
6665.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
6667.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
有沒有用到這批問題油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
6667.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
6669.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
然後台糖的油是安全的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
6669.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
6671.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
好跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
6671.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
6673.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
他這一批這個不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
6673.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
6675.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
這個台糖的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
6675.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
6677.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
他的允收標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
6677.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
6679.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
6679.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
6681.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
至今還在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
6681.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
6683.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
這個中聯台中的中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
6683.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
6685.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
那麼台中市 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
6685.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
6687.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
衛生局也是有封存 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
6687.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
6689.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
所以這個部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
6689.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
6691.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
沒有流入到我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
6691.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
6693.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
這個食品加工鏈裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
6693.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
6695.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
所以台糖是在中聯公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
6695.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
6697.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
發現油品異常後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
6697.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
6699.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
第一時間就拒收了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
6699.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
6701.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
那這批油現在目前也留在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
6701.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
6703.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
我們的中聯油廠內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
6703.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
6705.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
沒有送到台糖的高雄廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
6705.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
6707.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
也沒有投入生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
6707.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
6709.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
也沒有流入消費市場是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
6709.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
6711.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
可是另外一家南橋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
6711.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
6713.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
以致中聯油的油品有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
6713.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
6715.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
難把中聯的問題油買回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
6715.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
6717.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
沒有依法通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
6717.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
6719.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
所以違反了食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
6719.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
6721.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
然後受罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
6721.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
6723.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
所以我們得到的第一個結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
6723.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
6725.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
就是台糖拒收問題原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
6725.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
6729.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
所以沒有產出問題油的相關產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
6729.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
6733.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
那南橋是收購問題油持續使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
6733.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
6735.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
這應該是最大的差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
6735.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
6737.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
那接下來我們大家就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
6737.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
6739.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
很關心的問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
6739.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
6741.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
為什麼台糖不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
6741.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
6743.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
那我現在就幫大家問清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
6743.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
6745.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
首先我們來看法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
6745.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
6747.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
從中央法規的角度來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
6747.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
6749.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
依照現行的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
6749.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
6751.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
台糖市在原料端檢驗時 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
6751.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
6753.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
發現油品異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
6753.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
6755.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
那當下就拒收 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
6755.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
6757.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
中聯油的提供的半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
6757.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
6760.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
這批油沒有進入到台糖工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
6760.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
6761.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
沒有投入製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
6761.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
6764.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
更沒有成為食品進入市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
6764.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
6767.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
再來就是從地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
6767.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
6769.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
台南跟高雄的自製法規來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
6769.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
6771.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
這也並非台南市 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
6771.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
6774.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
食品安全管理自製條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
6774.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
6776.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
第八條所稱的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
6776.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
6779.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
也因為它驗的事實上是脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
6779.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
6782.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
可以作為食用油和工業品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
6784.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
6786.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
冷便筆衛生標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
6786.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
6790.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
適用對象必須要可直接工人使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
6790.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
6792.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
或直接作為食品加工用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
6792.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
6795.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
所以因此台糖並無該條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
6795.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
6796.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
通報義務的適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
6796.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
6797.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
請問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
6797.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
6799.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
從這兩個法規層面來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
6799.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
6802.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
台糖是否真的具有通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
6802.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
6804.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
和你們當初解釋蘇丹紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
6804.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
6805.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
是同一個樣態嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
6806.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
6809.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
好 我再跟委員仔細的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
6809.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
6813.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
要先看這個食安法的第三條的名詞定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
6813.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
6815.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
在名詞定義所稱的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
6815.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
6818.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
是包含了產品及其原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
6818.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
6821.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
所以產品跟原料是分開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
6821.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
6824.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
從第三條的名詞定義寫得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
6824.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
6827.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
那麼通報是寫在第七條的第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
6827.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
6832.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
指的是產品有健康危害之虞的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
6832.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
6834.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
所以如果舊法論法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
6834.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
6836.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
當然它是不包含原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
6836.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
6837.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
所以這個是法規上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
6837.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
6841.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
未來要不要進行食安法的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
6841.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
6843.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
把原料 半成品都納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
6843.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
6845.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
這個是可以來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
6845.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
6848.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
不過主管機關依法行政的角度來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
6848.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
6850.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
確實是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
6850.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
6852.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
那麼這個是第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
6852.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
6856.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
第二個我們所訂的扁平比的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
6856.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
6859.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
是按照食安法第17條所訂出的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
6859.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
6863.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
指的是食用油脂的扁平比標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
6863.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
6867.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
我們並不是去訂原料或半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
6867.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
6869.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
脫膠原油的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
6871.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
6873.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
判斷有沒有超標的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
6873.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
6876.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
看的是食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
6876.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
6880.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
也就是它從中聯已經出批的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
6880.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
6881.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
已經有批號的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
6881.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
6884.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
出批的每一批的這些油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
6884.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
6886.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
那麼在草裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
6886.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
6889.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
我們目前是沒有訂標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
6889.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
6891.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
而是要透過你的製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
6891.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].end |
6894.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].text |
去確保最終產品的符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
6894.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].end |
6898.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
那麼從技術面還有相關的文獻來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].start |
6898.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
6900.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
脫膠原油出來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].start |
6900.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
6905.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
後端它還要經過脫酸 脫色 脫臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
6905.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
6907.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
那麼在這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
6907.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
6908.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
它可以降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
6908.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
6915.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
可以到80%的BAP扁平比的濃度的下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
6915.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
6919.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
所以我們不會去訂在脫膠原油的濃度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
6919.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
6921.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
而是訂在後端 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
6921.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
6922.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
這個觀念是在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
6922.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
6924.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
所以看起來事實非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
6924.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
6926.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
一個是發現異常後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].start |
6926.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
6929.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].text |
立即拒收 完全沒有使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].start |
6929.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
6930.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
另外一個事實上是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
6930.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
6934.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
明知有問題仍然買回去繼續使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
6934.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
6937.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
兩者的行為跟法律責任應該完全不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
6937.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
6940.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
不能夠混為一談 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
6940.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
6942.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
再來我們就回到核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
6942.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
6945.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
我不是想要護航台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
6945.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
6949.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
而是要在這一檔說國營事業再幫忙蓋牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
6949.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
6952.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
完全就是混淆視聽 惡意毀謗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
6952.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
6955.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
我想請大家回到台中地院的裁定書 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
6955.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
6957.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
裁定書之所以提到台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
6957.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
6959.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
不是要證明台糖有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
6959.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
6963.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
而是要證明中聯公司早就知道我們的油品異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
6963.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
6967.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
台糖已經把異常情況告訴中聯油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
6967.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
6969.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
南僑也曾經向中聯油反映 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
6969.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
6972.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
但中聯油始終都沒有依法通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
6972.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
6975.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
這才是整起事件真正的核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].start |
6975.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].end |
6977.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].text |
中聯油不是不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].start |
6977.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].end |
6979.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].text |
而是明明知道有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].start |
6979.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].end |
6983.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].text |
卻選擇隱瞞 讓食安風險持續存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].start |
6983.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].end |
6985.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].text |
所以回到這次修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].start |
6985.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].end |
6987.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].text |
要讓責任通報更加明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].start |
6987.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].end |
6989.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].text |
就今天不好好審法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].start |
6989.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].end |
6994.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].text |
反而用扣帽子 栽贓的專案報告來進行政治操作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].start |
6994.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].end |
6996.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].text |
我真的覺得非常的遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].start |
6996.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].end |
6998.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].text |
因為很多動員要補的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].start |
6998.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].end |
7000.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].text |
一定要好好坐下來 好好的談 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].start |
7000.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].end |
7002.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].text |
所以如果真的要追究責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].start |
7002.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].end |
7004.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].text |
就應該追究中聯油本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].start |
7004.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].end |
7007.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].text |
以及工廠所在地的地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].start |
7007.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].end |
7009.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].text |
那個叫台中市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].start |
7009.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].end |
7010.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].text |
所以我想問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].start |
7010.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].end |
7012.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].text |
這次你們提出來草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].start |
7012.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].end |
7014.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].text |
是否會建立更完善的通報責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].start |
7014.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].end |
7017.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].text |
是不是說明一下這次修法的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
7017.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].end |
7019.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].text |
我也要再次強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].start |
7019.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].end |
7021.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].text |
蓋牌的是中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].start |
7023.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].end |
7026.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].text |
南橋他蓋牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].start |
7026.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].end |
7029.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].text |
他沒有依照我們食安法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].start |
7029.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
7031.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].text |
在發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].start |
7031.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].end |
7034.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].text |
這個產品有危害健康之虞的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].start |
7034.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].end |
7036.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].text |
就通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
7036.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
7038.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].text |
所以蓋牌的是中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].start |
7038.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
7040.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].text |
是泰山 是南橋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].start |
7040.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
7042.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].text |
是福茂 是福壽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].start |
7042.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].end |
7045.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].text |
所以我們這一次在這個修法裡面會加重 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].start |
7045.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
7047.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].text |
沒有依法通報者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].start |
7047.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].end |
7050.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].text |
那麼我們把原本3萬到300萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].start |
7050.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
7052.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
會提高到3000萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
7052.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
7054.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
來加重這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].start |
7054.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
7058.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
為隱匿或者是為按時通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
7058.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].end |
7060.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].text |
那麼他的處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
7060.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].end |
7063.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].text |
那麼其他的通報的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].start |
7063.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].end |
7064.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].text |
我們也會再擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].start |
7064.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].end |
7066.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].text |
包含檢驗的實驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].start |
7066.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].end |
7068.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].text |
過去在食安法第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].start |
7068.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
7071.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
是針對食品業者通報的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].start |
7071.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].end |
7073.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].text |
那從這個事件裡面我們發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].start |
7073.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].end |
7074.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].text |
其實檢驗端 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].start |
7074.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].end |
7077.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].text |
他也已經發現有異常了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].start |
7077.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].end |
7078.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].text |
所以我們這一次修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].start |
7078.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].end |
7082.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].text |
也把通報的義務擴及到檢驗端 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].start |
7082.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].end |
7085.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].text |
也就是在這個檢驗室的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].start |
7085.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].end |
7086.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].text |
也要依法來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].start |
7086.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].end |
7088.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].text |
所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].start |
7088.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
7090.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].text |
這個非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].start |
7090.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
7092.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].text |
因為台中市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].start |
7092.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].end |
7096.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].text |
身為中聯公司的縣市主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].start |
7096.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
7099.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
我們本來第二條就有很明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].start |
7099.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
7101.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].text |
中央有中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].start |
7101.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
7105.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].text |
地方有地方的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].start |
7105.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].end |
7107.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].text |
那盧市長卻一再推脫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].start |
7107.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
7108.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].text |
甩鍋時鐘說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].start |
7108.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].end |
7110.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].text |
不清楚自己的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].start |
7110.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].end |
7112.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].text |
現在一看到台糖就好像 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].start |
7115.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].end |
7117.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].text |
甚至看到仇人一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].start |
7117.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].end |
7120.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].text |
大肆批評攻擊卻好像忘了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].start |
7120.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].end |
7122.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].text |
自己所在地事實上是台中市 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].start |
7122.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
7124.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].text |
才是這起事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].start |
7124.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].end |
7127.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
最應該負起查查責任的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].start |
7127.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
7128.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].text |
依照食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].start |
7128.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
7130.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].text |
台中市政府本來就負有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
7130.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
7133.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].text |
地方查查跟抽驗的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].start |
7133.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
7135.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].text |
所以問題的根本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
7136.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].end |
7138.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].text |
第一個除了中聯郵通報以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
7138.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
7139.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
第二個問題就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
7139.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
7142.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].text |
我們的台中市政府盧市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].start |
7142.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].end |
7144.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].text |
部長事發至今 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
7144.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
7146.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].text |
我想基本的行政調查跟事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
7146.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
7147.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].text |
你應該也掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
7147.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
7150.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].text |
如果從2024年至今 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
7150.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
7152.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].text |
台中市政府有針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
7152.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
7156.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].text |
中聯郵的本篇筆抽驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
7156.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
7157.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
一次就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
7157.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
7158.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
是不是早就發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
7158.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
7159.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
中聯郵有問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
7159.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
7161.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
可是他們根本沒有驗過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
7161.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
7162.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
沒有錯吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
7162.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
7163.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
他們驗了幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
7163.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
7166.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
有一次是在我們113年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
7166.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
7169.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
由食藥署啟動的專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
7169.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
7171.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
稽查的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
7171.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].end |
7174.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].text |
要求要抽驗本篇筆那一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
7174.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
7177.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
所以市政府才是最需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
7177.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
7178.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
要負起責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
7178.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
7179.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
所以我希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
7179.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
7181.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
未來在法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
7181.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
7184.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
要把各自的責任都已經講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
7184.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
7186.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
我覺得修了法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
7186.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
7187.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
如果又不能落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
7187.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
7188.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
只會甩鍋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
7188.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
7190.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
那基本上沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
7190.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
7191.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
讓我們的食安更安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
7191.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
7192.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
7192.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
7193.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
7193.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
7195.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
謝謝聯業群照我的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
7195.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
7197.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
接下來請陳金輝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
7212.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
7213.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
7213.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
7214.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
謝謝各位官員的出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
7214.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
7215.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
還有委員的出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
7215.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
7218.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
我想請石部長 江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
7218.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
7220.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
還有徐副主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
7221.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
7223.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
請石部長 江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
7223.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
7224.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
以及徐副主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].start |
7226.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
7227.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
好 委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
7228.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
7229.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
7229.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].end |
7232.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
當然我覺得你們捲入這個風波啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
7232.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
7234.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
我也感到非常遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
7234.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
7237.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
不過有議員已經告發你們瀆職 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
7237.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
7239.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
有石部長 有江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].start |
7239.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
7242.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
還有昨天加了台唐的董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
7242.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
7245.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
那議員昨天已經保全了證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
7245.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
7247.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
比如說會議的影音檔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].start |
7247.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].end |
7249.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].text |
或者是監視器 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].start |
7249.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].end |
7250.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].text |
那之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].start |
7250.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].end |
7252.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].text |
這些基層的人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
7252.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
7255.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
今天名字有被披露在報紙上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].start |
7255.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
7258.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
應該也會被一一叫去詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].start |
7258.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
7260.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
關於這個會議的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
7260.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
7263.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].text |
那再來應該也會傳在羈押裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
7263.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
7267.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
這個總經理還有廠長去做詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].start |
7267.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
7270.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].text |
所以今天這個議員也在看這段質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
7270.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
7273.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].text |
今天的答詢非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].start |
7273.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
7275.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].text |
一定要誠實的面對國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
7275.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].end |
7276.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].text |
誠實的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
7276.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
7278.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].text |
那我們先請江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
7281.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
7283.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].text |
江署長因為您上週不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
7283.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
7286.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].text |
所以石部長幫您回覆了非常多的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
7286.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
7289.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
可是從我們今天揭露這個的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
7289.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
7291.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].text |
報紙上看到的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
7291.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
7294.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
我們發現您才是這場會議的主持人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
7294.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
7296.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].text |
這場會議是決定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
7296.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].end |
7298.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].text |
這個20%以上下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
7298.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
7301.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
20%以上可以保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
7301.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
7302.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
那另外呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
7302.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
7305.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].text |
石部長也在上週幫您回答說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
7305.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
7309.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].text |
這個業者是有在這場會議中討論復工 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
7309.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
7311.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].text |
那我想問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
7311.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
7313.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
因為石部長上禮拜是回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
7313.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
7315.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
這個會議分上下長次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].start |
7315.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
7317.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].text |
可是我們今天所有人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
7317.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
7321.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
印象中都停留在會議分上下長次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
7321.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
7324.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
這個哪邊看得出來分上下長次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
7325.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
7326.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
7326.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
7329.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
這個會議分成兩個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
7329.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
7333.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
第一個是檢視整個中聯這次的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
7333.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
7336.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
所以我們請了專家來在油品的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
7336.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
7338.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
製程的部分做進一步的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
7338.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
7340.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
那第二個部分呢就是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
7340.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
7344.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
我們根據106年下架回收的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
7344.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
7346.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
裡面的下架階層 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
7346.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
7350.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
我們是定在因為是衛生安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
7350.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
7352.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
所以是屬於第八類 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
7352.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
7354.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
所以是在下架在議程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
7354.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
7356.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
所以是在下架在議程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].start |
7355.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].end |
7357.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].text |
中聯製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
7357.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].end |
7359.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].text |
福壽福茂泰山的油品的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].start |
7359.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
7361.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
所以在7月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
7361.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
7363.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].text |
我們確定的第一層的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].start |
7363.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
7365.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].text |
第一層我們看到有不同的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].start |
7365.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].end |
7368.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].text |
由於7月3號媒體上面其實在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].start |
7368.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
7370.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
我們很清楚的我們對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
7370.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
7372.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
其實江市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
7372.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
7375.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
所以我們再重新思考第二個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
7375.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
7377.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
我們只需要問出你會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
7377.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
7379.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].text |
到底有沒有分上下兩場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].start |
7379.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
7382.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
因為石部長上週幫你回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
7382.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
7384.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].text |
會議分上下兩場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].start |
7384.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
7386.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].text |
應該是說我們會議裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
7386.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
7387.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
只有兩個重要議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
7387.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
7389.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
上面第一個議題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].start |
7389.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].end |
7391.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].text |
我們去中聯相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].start |
7391.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].end |
7393.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].text |
它本身的製程的是不是有議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
7393.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
7394.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].text |
專家來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].start |
7394.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].end |
7396.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
下半場我們針對說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].start |
7396.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].end |
7398.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].text |
第一層下架之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].start |
7398.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].end |
7400.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].text |
是不是要往下走 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
7400.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
7401.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].text |
所以這邊特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].start |
7401.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
7402.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
是第二個議程的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
7403.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
7404.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
廠商幾點離開 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
7404.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
7407.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
這個會議從3點開到5點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].start |
7407.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
7408.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
廠商幾點離開 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
7409.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
7411.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
廠商應該是有在我們現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
7411.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
7412.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
可是在我們第二層的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
7412.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
7414.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
廠商全程都在現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
7414.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
7415.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].start |
7415.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
7418.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
廠商是在我們的會議討論的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
7418.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
7420.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
他進入我們的會議的議場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
7420.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
7421.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
做完說明之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].start |
7421.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
7424.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].text |
我們繼續在討論後續的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].start |
7424.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
7426.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
沒有讓廠商做任何的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
7426.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].end |
7429.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].text |
我們是在做第二層的一些思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].start |
7429.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
7431.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
該如何去擴大的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
7431.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
7432.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
你只要告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
7432.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
7435.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
因為你剛剛石部長也講得很輕鬆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].start |
7435.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
7437.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
他今天就會公布全部的會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
7437.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
7439.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
王宇穎委員要求他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
7439.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
7441.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
在今天委員會結束以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
7441.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
7443.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
印出給所有的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
7443.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
7444.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
所有的國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
7444.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
7446.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
所以你沒有什麼好隱瞞的了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
7446.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
7447.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
你只要告訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].start |
7447.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
7451.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
廠商幾點到幾點在現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].start |
7451.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
7454.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
我們現在很明顯看到記錄上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
7454.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
7455.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
有委員會你們的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].start |
7455.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
7458.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
還有食藥署的副署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
7458.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
7461.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
還有食品組的十幾位同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
7461.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
7463.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
相信這些人很快就可以回憶起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
7463.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
7466.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
廠商幾點到幾點在現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
7466.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
7468.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
廠商有沒有聽到你們在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].start |
7468.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
7472.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
20%上架下架的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
7473.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
7474.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
跟委員做報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].start |
7474.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
7476.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
因為這個整個紀錄是透明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
7476.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
7478.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
今天部長也承諾做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
7478.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
7479.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
其實你現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
7479.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
7480.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
所以我等於是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
7480.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
7485.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
我等一下尋答結束前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
7485.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
7487.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
你告訴我就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
7487.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
7488.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
因為上禮拜石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
7488.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
7490.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
尋答結束前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
7490.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
7492.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
整個會議的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
7492.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
7493.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
我們結束的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
7493.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
7495.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
他其實有在現場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
7495.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
7497.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
他但是沒有進入任何的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
7497.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
7498.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
有關於我們第二階層 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
7498.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
7499.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
好啊很明顯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
7499.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
7502.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
所以廠商跟著你們到會議結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
7502.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
7503.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
7503.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
7505.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
許甫也是這樣看到的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
7505.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
7506.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
許甫主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
7507.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
7509.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
廠商從頭到尾都跟你們在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
7509.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
7510.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
你們在決策的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
7510.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
7511.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
他們也都聽到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
7511.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
7513.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
只是他們不能發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
7513.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
7514.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
是這樣嗎許甫主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
7514.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
7516.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
廠商都在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
7516.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
7517.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
全程都在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
7517.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
7519.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
他進來之後全都在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
7519.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
7522.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
他沒有發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
7522.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
7524.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
但是我們那個會議是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
7524.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
7525.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
並不是決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
7527.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
7528.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
所以石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
7529.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
7531.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
你害到你同事了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
7531.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
7532.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
你上禮拜說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
7532.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
7534.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
廠商中間請他離開 |
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7534.1 |
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7535.1 |
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現在旁邊兩個 |
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7535.1 |
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7536.1 |
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一個主持會議 |
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7536.1 |
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7537.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
一個參加會議的人說 |
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7537.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
7539.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
廠商全程都在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
7540.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
7542.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
那我們再問江署長 |
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7543.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
7545.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
好 我跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
7545.44 |
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7546.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
我要問江署長 |
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7547.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
7548.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
江署長 |
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7548.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
7550.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
江署長你幾月幾日知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
7550.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
7552.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
台糖的這個事件 |
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7552.24 |
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7554.24 |
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14.8PPB |
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7554.24 |
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7556.24 |
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你幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
7557.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
7558.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
7558.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
7559.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
7559.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
7560.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
7560.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
7561.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
7561.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
7562.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
7562.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
7563.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
7563.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
7564.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
7564.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
7565.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
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7565.04 |
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7566.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
7566.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
7567.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
7567.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
7568.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
7568.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
7569.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
7569.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
7570.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
7570.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
7571.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
7571.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
7572.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
7572.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
7573.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
7573.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
7574.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
7574.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
7575.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
7575.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
7576.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
7576.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
7577.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
7577.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
7578.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
7578.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
7579.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
7579.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
7580.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
7580.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
7581.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
我幾月幾日知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
7557.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
7560.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
我的印象是在7月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
7560.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
7562.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
應該是7月10幾號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
7562.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
7563.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
將近15號以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
7563.89 |
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7565.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
約月這個時間 |
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7565.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
7566.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
是因為我們的同仁們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
7566.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
7569.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
再次去進入台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
7569.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
7572.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
進入中聯去看他所有的油 |
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7572.89 |
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7573.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
去看所有油的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
7573.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
7574.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
我們調查到 |
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7574.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
7575.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
發現了這個批號 |
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7575.89 |
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7577.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
7月初其實就已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
7577.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
7578.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
下架了之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
7578.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
7580.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
我們去做調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
7580.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
7581.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
所以 |
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7581.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
7582.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
大家調查之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
7582.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
7583.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
我們也做了調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
7583.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
7584.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
所以你們7月10幾號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
7584.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
7585.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
就已經知道台糖 |
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7585.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
7586.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
有這一批 |
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7586.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
7588.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
超標7倍的油 |
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7588.89 |
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7590.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
這個就這樣子說 |
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7590.89 |
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7591.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
這個油剛才提到 |
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7591.89 |
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7592.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
我剛才後面我認識的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
7592.89 |
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7594.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
很像有那個出膠原油 |
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7594.89 |
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7595.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
那兩個是長得不太一樣 |
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7595.89 |
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7596.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
沒關係啦 |
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7596.89 |
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7597.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
所以我的意思是說 |
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7597.89 |
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7600.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
7月中你就知道有這個油 |
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7600.89 |
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7602.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
你8月1號還要叫大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
7602.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
7603.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
去問高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
7603.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
7605.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
是什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
7606.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
7607.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
我說的意思是說 |
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7607.3 |
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7609.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
因為這個油 |
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7609.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
7611.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
並不是我們在管制的油 |
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7611.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
7612.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
所以我不曉得 |
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7612.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
7614.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
這個油後來它的去向在 |
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7614.3 |
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7615.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
我們後來確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
7615.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
7617.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
它是在原來的油槽裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
7617.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
7618.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
還有1000多噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
7618.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
7620.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
都在裡面沒有移動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
7620.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
7622.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
這是我們後面才了解才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
7622.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
7623.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
我們了解的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
7623.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
7626.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
油是成為成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
7626.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
7627.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
油品裡面的30批的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
7627.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
7629.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
4到6月的我們很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
7629.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
7631.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
所以其實這個邏輯很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
7631.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
7633.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
其實這個邏輯很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
7633.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
7635.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
你們8月1號的時候認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
7635.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
7637.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
要問高雄市政府嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
7637.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
7639.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
表示您認為高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
7639.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
7641.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
應該是這個您後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
7641.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
7644.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
不知道去向的油的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
7644.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
7645.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
不然您不會第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
7645.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
7647.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
食藥署的回覆給媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
7647.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
7650.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
是請媒體去問高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
7650.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
7651.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
7651.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
7653.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
這個不能就這樣子說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
7653.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
7654.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
因為這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
7654.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
7656.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
台糖也並沒有跟我們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
7656.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
7657.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
我們也不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
7657.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
7659.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
這個油到底在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
7659.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
7661.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
所以它也不屬於這個範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
7661.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
7662.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
我們的管理的範圍內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
7662.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
7664.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
所以跟委員們特別很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
7664.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
7666.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
剛許甫主任有提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
7666.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
7668.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].text |
這場會議所有的中聯關係人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
7668.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
7669.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
全部在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
7669.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
7671.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
好 專家說真的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
7671.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
7672.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
但是討論出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
7672.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
7673.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
他說是一個建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
7673.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
7675.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].text |
並不是決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
7675.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
7677.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].text |
剛許甫主任講得非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
7677.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
7680.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].text |
最後做出20%以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
7680.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
7683.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
要下架的決策是誰做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
7684.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
7685.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
7686.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
7687.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
誰做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
7687.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
7688.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
因為您是主持這個會議的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
7688.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
7691.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
我想專家會議裡面我們邀請來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
7692.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
7695.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].text |
根據我們知道的整個的各國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
7695.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
7698.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
其實跟我們一樣嚴格的韓國跟歐盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
7698.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
7700.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
面對假如油品在這一類 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
7700.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
7701.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
只是問你誰決策的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
7701.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
7702.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
是同樣的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
7702.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].end |
7704.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
對 都是在第一層下架 |
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7704.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
7705.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
所以我們在第二層的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
7705.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
7706.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
特殊的情形下 |
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7706.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
7708.03 |
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是誰決策 |
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7708.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
7709.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
這些都已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
7709.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
7710.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
整個專家選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
7710.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
7711.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
大家很熟了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
7711.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
7712.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].text |
誰決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
7712.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
7714.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
整個專家給予建議完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
7714.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
7716.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
我做會議的結論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
7716.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
7717.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
我有做猜測 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
7717.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
7719.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
是說原來專家整體的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
7719.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
7720.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
是這樣子的結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
7720.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
7722.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
所以結論是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
7722.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
7725.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
參考專家選擇意見是您決策的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
7725.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
7728.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
專家選擇做出的這個會議的結論是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
7728.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
7730.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
所以進一步這個會議結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
7730.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
7732.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].text |
是達到這樣子的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
7732.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].end |
7733.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].text |
好 了解 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
7733.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
7735.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
那就請許主任先回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
7735.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
7736.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
許主任回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
7736.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
7737.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
行政長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
7738.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
7739.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
上禮拜我在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
7739.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
7741.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
說我想要灰基錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
7741.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
7743.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
也想要中聯在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
7743.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
7744.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
練習的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
7744.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].end |
7746.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].text |
跟你們報告了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
7746.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].end |
7749.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].text |
中聯可以知道這些學者名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].start |
7749.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].end |
7751.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].text |
可是你這個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].start |
7751.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].end |
7753.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].text |
我7月30所資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].start |
7753.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].end |
7754.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].text |
當場你跟我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
7754.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].end |
7755.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].text |
會後馬上會給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
7755.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].end |
7757.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].text |
我7月30跟您要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].start |
7757.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].end |
7760.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].text |
中聯到底在你們的20%會議裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
7760.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].end |
7762.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].text |
呈現了哪些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].start |
7762.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].end |
7764.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].text |
因為它也有可能影響到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].start |
7764.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].end |
7765.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
你後續專家學者的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
7765.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].end |
7766.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].text |
不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].start |
7766.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].end |
7767.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].text |
人民也想知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
7767.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].end |
7769.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].text |
我們國會議員也想知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].start |
7769.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].end |
7770.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].text |
你為什麼到現在還不能給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].start |
7770.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].end |
7771.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].text |
你什麼時候要給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
7773.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].end |
7774.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].text |
各位說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].start |
7774.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].end |
7776.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].text |
我那天就已經提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].start |
7776.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].end |
7779.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].text |
這個全部的資料都送給檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
7779.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].end |
7780.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].text |
因為這包含了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
7781.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].end |
7784.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].text |
當時候發生這個會議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
7784.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
7786.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].text |
並沒有檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
7786.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
7789.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
還沒有把這個相關的人等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
7789.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].end |
7791.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].text |
列為他的嫌疑人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
7791.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].end |
7793.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].text |
所以當時候是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
7793.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].end |
7795.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].text |
那後面既然已經列入了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
7795.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].end |
7796.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
是嫌疑人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
7796.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
7798.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
那當然我們就把這所有的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
7798.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
7800.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
都移送給檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
7800.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
7801.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
一併查明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
7801.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
7803.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
所以當時候我的處理是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
7803.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
7805.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
你上週跟王運民委員說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
7805.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
7806.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
你送檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
7806.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
7808.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
幾月幾號送檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
7808.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
7810.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
非常早就送檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
7810.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
7813.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
送檢調跟給我們看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
7813.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
7815.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
給全國人民看不衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
7815.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
7818.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
跟你們在你們會議報告了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
7818.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
7819.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
我們不能知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
7820.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
7821.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
不衝突啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
7821.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
7823.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
我們現在在調查的是行政責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
7824.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
7827.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
檢調在調查的是行事責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
7827.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
7828.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
7828.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
7829.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
跟委員說你沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
7829.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
7830.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
你可以給我們嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
7830.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
7831.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
我們今天就會報復 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
7831.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
7834.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
今天把周聯在你們的會議上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
7835.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
7837.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
資料給全部的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
7837.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
7839.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
還有會議紀錄給全部的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
7839.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
7841.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
我看你們的吹哨者也 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
7841.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
7842.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
報愈來愈多了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
7842.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
7843.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
7843.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
7844.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
好 那就這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
7844.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
7846.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
因為我們之前都已經陸續提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
7846.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
7848.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
給一些所知的委員了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
7848.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
7850.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
所以我們這一次就乾脆把它發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
7850.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
7851.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
以正視聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
7851.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
7854.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
我們也要中聯報告的那份資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
7854.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
7855.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
在這邊一定要講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
7855.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
7857.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
因為我已經要了一個禮拜了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
7857.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
7858.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
中聯報告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
7858.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
7860.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
就是在會上提供的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
7860.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
7862.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
就是紀略商號在台東市 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
7862.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
7864.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
7864.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
7866.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
還有你們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
7866.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
7867.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
那你就給我們嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
7867.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
7869.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
你壓了一個禮拜幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
7869.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
7871.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
他那一天就已經都有檔案了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
7871.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
7872.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
就是在7月3號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
7872.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
7874.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
在台中市所提供的那一份資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
7874.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
7876.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
這邊因為台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
7876.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
7878.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
他裁罰了中聯跟福茂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
7878.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
7880.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
各罰300萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
7880.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
7882.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
因為沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
7882.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
7884.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
超標7倍的這些致哀郵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
7884.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
7887.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
那您認同台中市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
7887.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
7890.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
用食安法第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
7890.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
7893.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
去做這兩家廠商的裁罰嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
7893.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
7894.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
7895.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
7896.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
福茂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
7896.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
7897.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
福茂拿的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
7898.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
7899.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
7900.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
7903.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
中聯出來的那個已經是食用油脂了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
7903.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
7905.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
他不是脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
7905.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
7908.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
他交給福茂的是食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
7908.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
7910.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
食用油脂是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
7910.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
7914.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
所以是符合這個我們的食安法第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
7914.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
7915.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
應該通報的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
7915.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
7918.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
所以處分福茂是這個道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
7918.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
7919.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
中聯也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
7919.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
7923.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
他的成品被南僑驗出超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
7923.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
7926.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
而且通報給福壽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
7926.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
7927.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
福壽在告辭週年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
7927.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
7929.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
我在講的是8月3號晚上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
7929.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
7930.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
7930.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
7932.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
8月3號晚上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
7932.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
7935.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
我在講的是8月3號晚上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
7935.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
7937.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
一案歸一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
7937.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
7939.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
這個是台糖的新案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
7941.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
7944.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
這是台中市政府的處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
7944.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
7946.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
這個是他們的處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
7946.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
7948.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
那看他們自己的理由是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
7949.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
7951.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
他要查清楚之後才去開罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
7952.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
7955.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
你剛不是把中聯講的很糟糕嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
7955.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
7957.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
你現在不認同他們的財產 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
7957.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
7958.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
中聯很糟糕啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
7958.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
7959.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
福茂也很糟糕啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
7959.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
7960.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
你不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
7961.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
7963.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
我沒有說我不認同啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
7963.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
7964.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
我需要去理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
7964.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
7967.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
台中市政府的開罰是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
7967.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
7969.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
他是正在哪一家去開罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
7969.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
7970.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
我寫在旁邊給你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
7970.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
7972.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
5月未通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
7972.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
7974.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
台糖採購原料異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
7974.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
7977.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
台中市府再各罰300萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
7978.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
7980.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
採購原料異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
7980.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
7982.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
那他是指他採購黃豆異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
7982.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
7983.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
還是採購什麼異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
7984.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
7986.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
中聯是採購的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
7986.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
7988.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
中聯的原料是黃豆啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
7991.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
7993.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
那他是罰他黃豆的採購異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
7993.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
7994.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
7994.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
7995.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
還是罰他什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
7995.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
7998.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
他們是在罰他台糖5月的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
7998.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
7999.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
往回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
7999.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
8002.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
往回報你所謂的這一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
8002.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
8005.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
你現在口中不肯承認是原料的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
8005.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
8006.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
8006.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
8007.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
服報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
8007.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
8008.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
還有中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
8008.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
8010.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
但是他們兩個沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
8011.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
8014.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
我剛剛在報告裡面講的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
8014.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
8015.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
如果就這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
8015.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
8017.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
食用油脂的製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
8017.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
8018.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
黃豆式原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
8018.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
8020.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
8020.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
8021.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
你只要告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
8021.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
8022.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
我就問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
8022.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
8023.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
我就問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
8023.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
8025.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
因為你是主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
8025.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
8028.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
最中央最高的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
8028.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
8033.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
現在中聯服貿知道台糖拿到了一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
8033.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
8035.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
現在你口中不承認是原料的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
8035.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
8037.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
沒有告訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
8037.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
8038.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
8038.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
8040.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
沒有告訴地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
8040.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
8041.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
被罰了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
8041.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
8043.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
你認不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
8047.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
8049.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
所有的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
8049.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
8051.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
不論是中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
8051.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
8053.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
都要依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].start |
8053.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
8055.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
所有的處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
8055.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].end |
8059.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].text |
都要具明了他的法源依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
8059.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].end |
8061.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].text |
跟裁罰的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
8061.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
8062.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
8062.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
8063.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
OK啊你講的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
8063.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
8064.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
你認不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
8064.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
8066.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
還是你要說你不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
8066.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
8069.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].text |
我會聘請台中市政府來跟我報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
8069.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
8073.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
他會委員關心你們的裁罰依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
8073.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
8074.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
請來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
8074.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
8076.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
裁罰依據已經寫在上面給你看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
8076.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
8078.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
沒有我們需要看到裁處書 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
8078.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
8081.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].text |
裁處書才是裁罰依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
8083.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
8085.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
所以你現在還沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
8085.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
8087.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
下判斷你認同會不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
8087.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
8090.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
這個對委員的詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
8090.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
8092.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].text |
我非常的重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
8092.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
8094.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].text |
所以我必須把所有的事情搞清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
8094.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
8096.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].text |
我會請台中市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
8096.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
8097.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
因為委員的關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
8097.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
8098.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].text |
我請他來跟我報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
8099.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
8101.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
下一個我們請台唐 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
8101.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
8103.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].text |
今天是總經理來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
8103.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].end |
8104.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
8105.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
8106.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].text |
副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
8110.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
8112.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].text |
剛剛時務長不想回答的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
8112.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
8113.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
其實蠻簡單的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
8114.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].end |
8116.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
如果他有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
8116.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].end |
8119.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
我們後面這些過去幾個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
8119.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
8122.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
過去一個月吃下的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
8122.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
8125.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
接近三萬噸的毒油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
8125.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
8127.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
也許不會出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
8127.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
8128.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
這麼簡單的道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
8131.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
8133.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
8133.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
8134.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].text |
你的梗圖都在做葉片了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
8134.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
8135.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
你拿油上來幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
8135.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
8137.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
你就拿葉片上來就好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].start |
8139 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
8141 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].text |
這邊問你一個簡單的問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].start |
8143.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
8146.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
葉片跟致癌油可以類比嗎 |
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8146.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
8148.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
葉片是用眼睛看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].start |
8148.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
8150.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
致癌油是你們用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
8150.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
8152.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
外面的檢驗機器 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
8152.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
8154.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
公正的驗出來的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
8154.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
8156.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
14PPB |
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8156.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
8158.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
你們到底在寫什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
8160.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
8162.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
葉片是用眼睛看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
8164.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
8166.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
致癌油是致癌油耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
8166.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
8167.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
8168.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
8169.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
8169.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].end |
8170.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
經濟部也上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].start |
8175.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].end |
8176.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].text |
次長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].start |
8180.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].end |
8183.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].text |
經濟部還有我們台湯的長官 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].start |
8184.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].end |
8186.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
你們想要告訴人民什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].start |
8186.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].end |
8188.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
葉片跟致癌油一樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].start |
8190.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
8192.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
你們想說的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
8192.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
8193.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
8193.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
8197.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
台湯依規依法來進行辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].start |
8197.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].end |
8200.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
那我們可以看到這位黃豆的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].start |
8200.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].end |
8201.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].text |
沒有 我在問葉片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].start |
8201.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].end |
8202.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].text |
我們沒有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].start |
8202.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
8203.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].start |
8203.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].end |
8204.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
主席他沒有回答我的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].start |
8204.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].end |
8206.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].text |
而且他也不想看到油在桌上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].start |
8206.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].end |
8208.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].text |
可以把油拿下去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].start |
8209.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].end |
8212.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].text |
油等你等一下自己專題報告再拿上來就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].start |
8214.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
8216.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
我只是在問你們兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].start |
8216.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].end |
8218.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
經濟部跟台湯的社會溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].start |
8218.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
8220.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].text |
到底做到哪裡去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].start |
8222 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].end |
8224 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].text |
葉片 眼睛看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].start |
8226.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].end |
8227.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].text |
本篇畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].start |
8227.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].end |
8228.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].text |
機器用出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].start |
8228.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].end |
8230.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].text |
超標七倍就是超標七倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].start |
8232.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].end |
8234.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].text |
葉片跟油的關係在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].start |
8234.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].end |
8235.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].text |
你現在第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
8235.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
8237.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
你告訴我你的社會溝通是什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
8237.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
8238.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].text |
看不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].start |
8238.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
8239.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].start |
8239.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
8240.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].text |
我這個餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].start |
8240.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
8242.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].text |
我會知道是哪一攤 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
8242.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
8246.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].text |
你現在就明確知道是哪一家的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].start |
8246.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].end |
8248.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].text |
出來是14ppb |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].start |
8248.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].end |
8250.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].text |
這兩個可以類比嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].start |
8250.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].end |
8251.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
你講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
8252.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
8254.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
好 次長可以回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].start |
8254.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
8255.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].start |
8255.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].end |
8257.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].text |
剛剛部長已經說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].start |
8257.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].end |
8258.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].text |
台湯的這個作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].start |
8258.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
8260.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
依照食安法的這個規定來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].start |
8260.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].end |
8262.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].text |
那台湯對於原料的採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
8262.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
8265.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
也依照他採購的一個契約 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].start |
8265.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
8266.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
飲收的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].start |
8266.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
8268.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
來進行處理相關的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].start |
8268.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
8269.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
這是第一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].start |
8269.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
8270.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
那第二點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].start |
8270.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].end |
8271.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
的一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].start |
8271.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
8274.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
經濟部始終非常重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].start |
8274.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
8276.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
我們不管是我們的消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
8276.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
8278.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
或是我們的通路廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
8278.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
8279.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
還有各項的一個權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].start |
8279.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
8282.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
所以台湯公司在這個一個角色上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
8282.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
8284.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
他必須要依法依規來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].start |
8286.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
8287.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
沒有聽到葉片啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].start |
8287.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
8288.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
葉片跟油一樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].start |
8289.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
8290.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].start |
8290.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
8291.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
台湯在法規裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].start |
8291.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
8293.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
他扮演一個角色啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].start |
8293.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
8296.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
他畢竟他是一個採 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].start |
8296.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
8298.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
透過契約 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].start |
8298.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
8300.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
然後去採購這個原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
8300.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
8301.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
而且台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
8302.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
8303.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
我先唸啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
8303.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
8305.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
來來來 台湯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
8305.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
8307.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
台湯的官網 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
8307.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
8309.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
大家現在可以馬上上網看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
8309.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
8311.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
台湯的使命 如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
8311.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
8313.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
台湯公司在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
8313.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
8315.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
是一家老字號的國營企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
8316.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
8318.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
最家喻戶曉的品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
8318.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
8321.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
所以他們肩負了配合國家政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
8321.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
8324.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
照顧民生需求 基本企業責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
8324.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
8326.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
還要跟社會產生連結 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
8326.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
8328.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
我現在都不知道你們連結到哪裡去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
8328.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
8331.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
好 配合國家政策啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
8331.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
8335.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
不就包括每年跟我們要這麼多預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
8335.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
8336.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
過去十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
8336.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
8340.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
七百多億的食安五環 食品雲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
8340.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
8343.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
還有呢 邊境協防 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
8343.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
8346.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
每一種毒的東西 連邊境都進不來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
8346.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
8348.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
食藥署這個要幫我們把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
8348.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
8351.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
從原料 從原料到餐桌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
8351.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
8353.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
每一樣東西都很安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].start |
8353.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
8357.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
而台湯也是配合國家政策的一份子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
8358.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
8360.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
你自己看看你們的使命 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
8360.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
8362.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
跟你現在做出來的事情吻合嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
8364.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
8365.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
不用回答了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
8365.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
8367.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
下一張我們請食部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
8370.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
8373.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
食部長如果你要說這個只算蘇丹紅的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
8373.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
8374.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
你就簡單說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
8374.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
8376.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
你們自己113年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].start |
8376.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
8379.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
因為蘇丹紅這種工業的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
8379.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
8382.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
混進了食品中 混進了化妝品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
8382.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
8384.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
你們跟業者做了好多的說明會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
8384.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
8385.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
告訴他們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
8385.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
8388.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
食品業者發現原料或是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
8388.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
8392.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
有危害衛生之餘 就要主動的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
8393.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
8395.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
那個是非法添加啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
8395.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
8396.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
這個不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
8396.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
8399.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
這個不是中間的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
8399.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
8401.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
這個是違法添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
8401.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
8406.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
部長你知道你現在在大開一個邪惡之門 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
8406.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
8408.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
你剛剛舉了好多歪理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
8408.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
8410.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
你今天在這邊講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
8410.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
8413.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
從現在開始 從這一分鐘開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
8414.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
8417.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
做迪麵粉的還沒進工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
8417.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
8418.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
還沒進門口 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
8418.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
8420.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
做迪麵粉的被抓到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
8420.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
8423.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
他說我等一下要做醬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
8424.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
8425.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
這不是給人吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
8425.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
8427.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
無糖被抓到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
8427.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
8430.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
他就說我這個等一下是要做工業酒精的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
8430.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
8432.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
你們可以做工業酒精嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
8432.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
8433.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
他們也可以做工業酒精 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
8435.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
8438.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
你這個大開邪惡之門 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].start |
8438.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
8440.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
他只要說他這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
8440.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
8445.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].text |
後面有可能不是人吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
8447.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
8449.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
你引用的法條不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
8449.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
8452.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
如果他是違法添加進去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
8452.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
8456.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
是違反了食安法第15條第一項的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
8456.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
8459.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
是會到第6萬到2億的罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
8459.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
8461.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].text |
那是不一樣的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
8461.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].end |
8465.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].text |
我講的東西也可能是本篇比超標的麵粉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
8465.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].end |
8468.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].text |
也可能是本篇比超標的糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].start |
8468.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].end |
8469.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
8471.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].end |
8473.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].text |
他就不適用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
8473.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].end |
8477.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].text |
他們也可以做成很多不是人在吃的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
8477.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].end |
8478.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
糖沒有本篇比啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
8479.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
8486.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
不管如何他們還是會有你們超標的東西在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
8486.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].end |
8487.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
8488.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].end |
8491.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].text |
我們沒有在訂原料的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].start |
8491.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].end |
8493.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
我們要看你訂的是哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
8493.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].end |
8494.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].text |
我們剛剛提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
8494.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].end |
8498.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].text |
本篇比是訂在食用油脂的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
8498.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].end |
8499.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
你就跟我講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
8499.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
8500.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
你這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
8500.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
8502.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
違法添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
8502.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
8503.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
你這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
8503.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].end |
8507.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
113年你發布的新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
8507.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].end |
8508.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
你就告訴大家好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
8508.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
8510.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
你現在就告訴全國國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
8510.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
8511.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
你就只針對蘇丹紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
8512.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
8514.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
不是蘇丹紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
8514.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
8516.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
不能夠添加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
8516.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
8518.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
蘇丹紅是舉例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
8518.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
8520.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
因為他是不得添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
8520.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
8524.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
你自己的簡報寫的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
8524.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
8528.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
危害 衛生 安全 之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
8529.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
8531.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
你是違法添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
8531.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
8533.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
就已經違法添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
8533.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
8537.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
違法添加就違反了第15條的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
8537.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
8540.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
你上面幫人家做教育訓練是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
8540.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
8542.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
危害 衛生 安全 之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
8542.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
8545.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
現在又要硬撈成違法添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
8547.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
8549.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
你這個是斷章取義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
8549.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
8551.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
我跟你講我沒有斷章取義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
8551.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
8553.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
我們看監察院的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
8553.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
8556.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
你會覺得濃濃的即視感 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
8556.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
8558.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
113年監察院的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
8558.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
8560.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
都寫得很清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
8560.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
8562.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
那個時候發生蘇丹紅事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
8562.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
8564.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
他們說食品業者訂定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
8564.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
8565.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
食品安全監測計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
8565.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
8568.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
若有承報主管機關之規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
8568.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
8570.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
故針對原料辦成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
8570.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
8571.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
成品檢驗項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
8571.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
8573.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
任由業者自行評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
8573.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
8574.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
據本案未將蘇丹紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
8574.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
8576.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
納為風險檢驗項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
8576.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
8579.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
難以真實反應潛藏食安風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
8579.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
8581.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
主管機關無從事先察覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
8581.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
8583.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
又本案存在居多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
8583.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
8585.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
以虛偽樣本盛檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
8585.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
8587.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
檢驗結果不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
8587.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
8590.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
遭下游公司拓貨後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
8590.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
8593.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
人持續出貨給不知情的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
8593.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
8595.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
甚至變造檢驗報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
8595.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
8597.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].text |
以取信下游廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
8597.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
8598.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].text |
盛檢不合格後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
8598.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
8601.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
業者未主動通報主管機關等違規 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
8601.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
8604.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
113年監察院告訴你的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
8604.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
8606.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
現在就活生生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
8606.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
8608.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
又出現在我們面前了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
8610.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
8613.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
你看監察院的右邊寫什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
8613.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
8616.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
依法不得添加的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
8616.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
8618.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
你聽我說清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
8618.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
8620.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
不得添加的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
8620.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
8623.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
不論在原料或者是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
8623.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
8625.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
都是不得添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
8625.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
8627.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
如果是安全衛生標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
8627.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
8631.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
他就會訂出他的適用產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
8631.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
8635.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
是什麼產品的什麼物質的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
8635.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
8636.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
這是兩回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
8636.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
8638.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
不能匯為一談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
8638.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
8641.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
部長請你看監察院調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
8641.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
8645.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
他最後是用食安法第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
8645.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
8646.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
所以他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
8646.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
8649.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
業者知產品原材料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
8649.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
8652.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
半成品成品受驗後檢驗結果不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
8652.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
8655.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
需因食安法第七條第五項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
8655.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
8659.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
主動提示到並通報地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
8659.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].end |
8661.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].text |
現在我們要相信監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
8661.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].end |
8663.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
還是相信你的法條解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
8665.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
8667.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
監察院在這邊寫了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
8667.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
8669.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
8669.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
8671.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
不得添加的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
8671.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
8673.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
不論是在原料還是在產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
8673.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
8675.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
都是不得添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
8675.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
8678.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
但是如果是安全衛生標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].start |
8678.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
8680.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
按照第十條訂出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
8680.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
8682.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
就要看他的適用品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
8682.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
8684.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
跟他的標準是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].start |
8684.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
8687.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
這是兩回事不能匯為一談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
8688.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
8690.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
下一個我們請台湯回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].start |
8691.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
8693.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
如果你們平常有一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].start |
8693.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].end |
8695.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].text |
你們是通報給誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
8695.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
8698.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
如果你們的SOP實用有出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
8698.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
8700.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
你們通報哪一個單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
8700.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
8702.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
是我們一定會通報我們的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
8703.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
8705.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
使用有的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
8706.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
8707.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
8707.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
8708.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
8708.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
8709.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
8709.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
8710.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
高雄市政府OK |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
8710.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
8713.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
因為他們現在兩邊一直在踢皮球 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
8713.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
8716.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
高雄市政府說要收集很多資料給台南 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].start |
8716.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
8718.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
台南又說沒有是歸高雄管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
8718.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
8720.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
好我們現在聽到你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
8720.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
8722.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
是高雄市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
8722.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
8724.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
好那我們知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].start |
8724.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
8727.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
不過剛剛有念出你們的宗旨嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
8727.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
8728.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
成立宗旨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
8728.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
8730.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
最終人民還是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
8730.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
8733.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
國營企業負起國營企業該有的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].start |
8733.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
8736.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].text |
你們只要當時有通報把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].start |
8736.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].end |
8739.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
後面這幾萬噸吃下去的毒油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
8739.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
8741.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
就不會在我們國人的肚子裡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
8741.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].end |
8743.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].text |
現在請回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
8743.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
8744.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
跟委員報告喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
8746.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
8748.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
就台南公司的認知啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
8748.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
8751.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
出油就是脫膠的這個出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
8751.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
8753.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
它是不能吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
8753.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
8755.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].text |
它不是可以吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
8755.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
8756.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].text |
所以它不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
8758.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
8760.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
它不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
8760.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
8762.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
所以我們的認知是它根本不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
8762.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
8764.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
我跟你說你只要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
8764.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
8767.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
他們當時告訴去查中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
8767.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
8770.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
他們會查出更多更多更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
8770.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
8773.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
最後會讓人家吃下去的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
8773.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
8775.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
我們可以請四位先回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
8775.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
8777.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
我們劉時部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
8778.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
8779.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].text |
四位都有 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
8781 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
8783 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
老師 上禮拜你就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
8783 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
8784 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
你也不是食安專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
8784 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
8785 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
我也不是食安專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
8785 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
8788 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
所以我們都不應該表達自己的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
8788 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
8790 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
今天我們有食安專家了 江志剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
8790 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
8793 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
然後這邊還有法律專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
8793 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
8795 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
高檢署主任陳鴻達 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
8795 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
8798 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
這邊還有一位公衛專家 詹長權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].start |
8798 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
8801 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
他們的發言我不知道你要不要採納啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].start |
8801.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
8803.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].text |
一個說通報是法定義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].start |
8803.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
8806.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
並非行政機關給人民的恩惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
8806.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
8808.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
另外一位公衛教授說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
8808.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
8810.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
這不只是食安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
8810.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
8812.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
更是公共治理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
8812.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
8814.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
跟政府誠信的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
8815.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
8817.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
還是你覺得你還是最懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
8817.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
8819.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
公衛跟解釋法條的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
8820.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
8822.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
通報是法定義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
8822.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
8825.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
在食安法明定的通報義務很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
8825.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
8827.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
這一句話絕對是對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
8827.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
8828.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
那沒關係 你覺得你懂法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
8828.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
8830.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
比高檢署主任還懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
8831.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
8832.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
那詹長權呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
8834.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
8836.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
詹長權我不知道他說的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
8837.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
8840.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
他說的東西我已經寫在上面了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
8840.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
8843.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
本篇筆的標準是定在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
8843.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
8846.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
產品也就是食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
8846.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
8849.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
本篇筆的標準不是定在脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
8849.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
8851.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
我還是要再強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
8851.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
8856.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
脫膠原油後面會經過脫酸 脫色 脫臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
8856.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
8859.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
那麼它最高可以降低百分之百 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
8859.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
8861.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
其實大家都聽懂了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
8861.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
8863.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
以後我們都知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
8863.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
8865.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
這七百多億的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
8865.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
8867.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
其實我就下一個結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
8867.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
8869.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
這七百多億食安五環 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
8869.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
8871.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
環環不斷練 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
8871.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
8873.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
從源頭開始管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
8873.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
8874.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
自主通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
8874.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
8876.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
還有這些預警機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
8876.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
8877.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
去掉了脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
8877.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
8879.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
就是這個結論 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
8880.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
8882.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
食用油脂廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
8882.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
8884.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
他必須要去進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
8884.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
8886.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
他必須去改善他的製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
8889.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
8891.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
好 謝謝陳金輝委員的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
8891.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
8893.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
接下來請王立民委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
8900.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
8902.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
8902.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
8904.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
我們有請衛福部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
8904.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
8905.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
食藥署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
8905.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
8907.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
經濟部常務次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
8907.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
8909.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
台唐的副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
8909.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
8910.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
一起上台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
8910.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
8913.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
還有行政院食安辦的許副主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
8917.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
8920.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
來 我先問台唐的副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
8920.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
8921.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
你們剛拿了兩罐 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
8921.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
8923.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
繼續拿上來沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
8923.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
8924.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
8924.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
8925.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
你告訴我本席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
8925.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
8928.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
脫膠原油是你台唐的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
8928.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
8930.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
製油的原料嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
8930.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
8931.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
是或不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
8932.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
8933.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
8933.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
8935.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
我們台唐就是做沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
8935.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
8937.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
他是從黃豆開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
8937.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
8939.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
所以我們進口的都是美國黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
8939.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
8941.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
好 我直接問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
8941.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
8942.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
你的脫膠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
8942.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
8945.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
你跟中聯買的脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
8945.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
8946.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
就是這一罐對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
8946.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
8947.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
8947.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
8948.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
8948.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
8949.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
對 我們自己也有生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
8949.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
8952.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
這一罐是不是你食用油的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
8952.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
8953.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
是或不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
8954.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
8955.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
它不能食用啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
8955.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
8958.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
它是不是製造成那一瓶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
8958.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
8959.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
食用油的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
8959.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
8960.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
它必須要經過精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
8960.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
8961.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
我知道 它是不是原料啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
8962.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
8963.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
當然是原料啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
8963.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
8965.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
對啊 當然是原料啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
8966.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
8968.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
你跟中聯買了多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
8968.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
8970.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
它不是食品價 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
8970.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
8971.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
你本來要跟它購買那一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
8971.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
8972.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
是多少公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
8972.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
8976.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
我們這內製的招標案是3000噸啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
8976.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
8977.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
3000噸嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
8977.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
8980.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
那它5月11號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
8980.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
8985.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
我們去豐朝送驗的那個潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
8985.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
8988.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
那個潮它是1100多噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
8990.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
8992.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
都出問題嘛 超標嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
8992.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
8995.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
那個潮我們當初就是封存了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
8995.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
8997.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
我們也沒有載到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
8997.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
8999.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
以前有沒有發生過這樣的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
8999.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
9001.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
以前你們驗的有沒有發生這樣的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
9001.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
9003.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
也有超標的情況 退驗的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
9003.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
9005.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
以前驗都沒有這樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
9005.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
9007.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
都沒有超標嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
9007.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
9009.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
都有符合我們的驗收標準啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
9010 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
9012 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
是多少 你們自己制定的驗收標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
9012 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
9015 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
是要那個本評比要幾PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
9015 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
9018 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
本評比是2PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
9018 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
9020 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
都有符合在2PPB以內嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
9020 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
9021 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
9021 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
9022 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
那你為什麼要這樣子驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
9022 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
9024 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
你是依據食安法哪一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
9024 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
9026 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
沒有 這個是我們自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
9026 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
9030 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
自己內定的一個招標的規格啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
9030 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
9031 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
所以你也可以不用驗就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
9031 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
9032 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
可以 可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
9032.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
9034.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
所以如果本評比超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
9034.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
9035.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
你們可以繼續製作就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
9035.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
9036.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
不用退 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
9036.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
9037.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
我們會調整我們的製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
9037.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
9039.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
讓它那個本評比 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
9039.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
9041.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
那你這PPB為什麼要退 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
9041.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
9042.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
如果按照你的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
9042.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
9044.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
這個是我們招標合約裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
9044.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
9046.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
我們就已經定了規格在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
9046.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
9047.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
一定要符合我們的規格啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
9047.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
9049.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
不符合規格我們就是要退 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
9049.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
9050.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
對啊 那為什麼要定這個標準啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
9050.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
9053.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
既然你後面的技術都可以脫色脫穿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
9053.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
9055.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
剛剛那個 待會我要問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
9055.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
9057.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
那個成本會不一樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
9057.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
9058.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
成本會不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
9058.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
9059.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
如果說它 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
9059.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
9061.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
所以不是因為食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
9061.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
9062.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
是因為成本的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
9062.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
9063.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
是 沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
9064.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
9066.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
沒有錯喔 這是你的答案喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
9066.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
9067.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
你們針對原料的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
9067.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
9071.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
是因為我不需要基本的嚴格把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
9071.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
9073.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
我是因為成本控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
9073.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
9076.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
所以我今天才去訂出2PPB的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
9076.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
9078.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
這樣的本評比的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
9078.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
9080.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
就算說它本評比偏高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
9080.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
9082.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
經過我們的精鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
9082.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
9084.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
製程上面的調整之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
9085.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
9087.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
所以你之前到底有沒有購買過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
9087.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
9089.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
超過2PPB本評比的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
9089.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
9090.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
是沒有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
9090.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
9093.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
因為我們都訂那個2PPB嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
9093.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
9095.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
這樣的話對我們來講是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
9095.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
9096.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
整個製程會比較順暢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
9096.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
9098.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
而且它成本是最低的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
9098.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
9099.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
所以過去都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
9099.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
9100.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
沒有喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
9100.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
9101.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
然後你就訂了2PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
9101.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
9102.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
9102.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
9103.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
就訂了國家的這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
9105.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
9106.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
啊超標你也可以用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
9107.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
9109.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
完全不涉及食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
9109.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
9111.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
這個聽起來非常的可怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
9111.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
9112.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
大家各位聽懂了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
9112.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
9116.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
就是說台糖也可以不用是2PPB喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
9116.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
9118.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
它不用是這樣子喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
9118.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
9119.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
因為對他們來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
9119.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
9122.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
剛剛石部長告訴大家的也是喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
9122.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
9124.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
就是即使它是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
9124.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
9126.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
它今天超標沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
9126.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
9128.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
其實坦白講你也可以不用退運啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
9128.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
9129.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
9129.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
9130.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
按照你的邏輯可以不用退運啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
9130.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
9132.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
我繼續做啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
9132.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
9133.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
你不要違反食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
9133.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
9136.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
我們招標的時候的規格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
9136.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
9138.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
你們太荒謬了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
9138.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
9140.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
都不按照食安法辦事的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
9140.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
9143.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
既然脫膠原有是你的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
9143.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
9145.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
原料有疑慮的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
9147.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
9148.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
原料有疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
9148.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
9150.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
你竟然還好意思說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
9150.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
9151.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
我的技術夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
9151.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
9153.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
所以我可以繼續做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
9153.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
9155.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
剛剛石重量部長是這樣子講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
9156.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
9157.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
這樣子有道理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
9160.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
9162.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
食安法它規範的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
9162.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
9163.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
所以你們是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
9163.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
9164.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
只要是出膠原有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
9164.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
9166.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
根本就不用設標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
9166.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
9168.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
反正只要我可以不斷的精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
9168.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
9170.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
到最終的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
9170.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
9172.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
它只要符合2PPB就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
9172.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
9175.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
那你的食安法我們都要定價的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
9175.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
9177.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
從原料就應該要開始檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
9177.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
9179.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
在你的邏輯裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
9179.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
9180.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
原料不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
9180.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
9182.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
只要我有本事把它精煉出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
9182.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
9184.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
檢測不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
9184.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
9185.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
那是我的本事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
9185.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
9186.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
是這樣子嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
9186.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
9187.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
沒有出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
9187.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
9190.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
它就整個這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
9190.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
9192.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
那是你的原料不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
9192.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
9193.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
這個是對呀 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
9193.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
9194.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
這個就是出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
9194.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
9195.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
對呀 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
9195.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
9197.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
那你的原料就應該要把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
9197.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
9199.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
就要符合食安法的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
9199.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
9201.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
原料沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
9201.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
9203.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
食安法都沒有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
9203.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
9205.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
那就是衛福部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
9205.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
9206.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
食安法它的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
9206.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
9208.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
它是針對食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
9208.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
9210.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
就是說你直接可以用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
9210.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
9211.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
可以吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
9211.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
9212.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
原料都不規範的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
9212.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
9214.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
原料已經出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
9214.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
9216.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
這個一級致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
9216.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
9218.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
都不用規範的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
9218.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
9220.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
它不是有一律的商品嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
9220.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
9222.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
沒有你經過精煉純化之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
9222.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
9224.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
它就會變成這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
9224.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
9226.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
對所以原料是可以不用管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
9226.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
9227.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
9227.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
9229.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
要管因為它會影響成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
9230.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
9232.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
只是因為成本不是食安的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
9232.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
9234.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
好來台長請回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
9234.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
9236.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
我問一下那個長賜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
9236.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
9238.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
經濟部長賜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
9238.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
9241.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
請問台長的社會責任是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
9241.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
9243.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
至少門前雪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
9243.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
9246.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
我今天發現我的脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
9246.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
9248.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
這個本篇比超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
9248.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
9250.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
超標了七倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
9250.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
9252.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
我只要默默的把它退回去就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
9252.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
9254.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
因為不符合我的採購規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
9254.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
9258.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
但是我完全不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
9258.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
9260.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
這個叫做至少門前雪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
9260.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
9262.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
在經濟部的標準好低 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
9262.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
9265.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
一個至少門前雪的人說他是模範生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
9265.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
9267.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
請問你的社會責任在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
9267.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
9269.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
你不覺得很異常嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
9269.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
9272.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
今天你脫膠原油是第一次買是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
9272.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
9274.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
如果以前都是符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
9274.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
9276.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
符合你的採購標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
9276.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
9278.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
今天突然暴增 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
9278.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
9280.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
通通都不需要反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
9280.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
9282.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
當作沒有發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
9282.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
9284.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
上千公噸隨便 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
9284.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
9287.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
今天如果中年繼續賣出去也隨便 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
9288.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
9289.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
不管我的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
9289.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
9291.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
這個叫做模範生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
9291.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
9293.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
這個叫做社會責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
9293.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
9295.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
企業社會責任是這樣子寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
9295.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
9297.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
作為一個經濟部次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
9297.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
9299.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
你們說這個叫模範生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
9299.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
9301.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
你的標準真的好低 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
9301.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
9303.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
還不如一個吹哨子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
9303.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
9306.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
跟委員及委員會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
9306.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
9308.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
台檔公司所生產的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
9308.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
9309.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
他有自己標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
9309.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
9310.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
所以下一次你們發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
9310.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
9312.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
這樣子一個超標本篇皮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
9312.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
9314.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
交由要不要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
9314.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
9315.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
基本上台檔公司所有的品料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
9315.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
9316.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
他有驗收的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
9316.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
9317.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
契約的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
9319.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
9321.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
比如說在生產大豆沙拉油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
9321.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
9322.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
這個原料的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
9322.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
9323.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
其實他檢驗的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
9323.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
9325.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
起碼就有十項以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
9325.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
9326.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
很好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
9326.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
9328.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
我們正常很嚴謹啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
9328.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
9330.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
但你發現這一批交由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
9330.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
9332.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
超標這麼多的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
9332.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
9334.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
你怎麼不用一個很嚴謹的態度來看待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
9334.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
9336.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
為什麼不通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
9336.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
9337.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
為什麼你第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
9337.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
9338.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
台檔沒有跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
9339.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
9342.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
這個依照台中地方法院的新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
9342.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
9343.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
也是有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
9343.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
9344.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
包括中聯跟服務貿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
9344.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
9346.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
他必須要依照食安法去進行通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
9346.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
9347.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
他們有他們的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
9347.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
9348.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
我現在問的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
9348.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
9350.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
你主管的國營機構台檔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
9350.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
9352.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
他發現這麼重大的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
9352.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
9354.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
需不需要跟你主管機構報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
9355.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
9356.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
你什麼時候知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
9356.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
9357.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
所謂為何 |
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9357.19 |
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9358.19 |
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你什麼時候知道的 |
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9358.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
9360.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
台檔隱修產品 |
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9360.19 |
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9363.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
從來沒有進入到台檔的生產的產線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
9363.19 |
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9365.19 |
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所以你還在辯解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
9365.19 |
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9367.19 |
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7月9號的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
9367.19 |
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9368.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
台檔公司 |
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9368.19 |
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9369.19 |
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你7月9號才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
9369.19 |
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9370.19 |
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後知後覺 |
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9370.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
9372.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
麻煩委員讓我時間說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
9372.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
9374.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
7月9號台檔收到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
9374.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
9377.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
高雄市政府預防性下架的一個通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
9377.19 |
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9378.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
他有通報 |
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9379.09 |
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9381.09 |
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所以你是7月9號知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
9381.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
9383.09 |
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我們國營是因為平常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
9383.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
9385.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
台檔公司的正常的採購的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
9385.09 |
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9386.09 |
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包括國營機構 |
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9386.09 |
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9387.09 |
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你不會介入 |
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9387.09 |
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9388.09 |
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非常多的採購的事項 |
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9388.09 |
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9390.09 |
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好你是7月9號知道的 |
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9390.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
9391.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
他以免費的標準 |
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9391.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
9392.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
他不會跟我們說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
9392.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
9394.09 |
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好那市長我再問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
9394.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
9395.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
你認為台檔的社會責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
9395.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
9399.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
下一次他在發現這種原料超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
9399.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
9401.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
含有毒物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
9401.09 |
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9403.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
你認為他需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
9403.09 |
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9404.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
這個就是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
9404.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
9406.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
今天本來議程要討論的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
9406.09 |
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9407.09 |
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需要去進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
9407.09 |
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9409.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
你認為需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
9409.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
9410.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
你告訴我就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
9410.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
9412.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
我想知道你的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
9412.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
9414.09 |
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現在是台檔發現的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
9414.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
9416.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
類似這樣的情況需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
9416.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
9417.09 |
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你告訴我就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
9417.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
9418.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
你作為他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
9418.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
9420.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
你覺得需不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
9420.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
9422.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
不敢回答請你回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
9422.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
9424.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
來石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
9424.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
9425.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
市長你請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
9425.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
9427.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
你根本都不敢回答這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
9428.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
9430.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
我只能說非常的遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
9430.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
9433.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
這個社會有良心的人越來越少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
9433.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
9436.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
我們很佩服陳鴻達主任檢察官 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
9436.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
9437.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
還有詹長權教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
9437.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
9439.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
他們是社會的良心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
9439.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
9440.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
他們講該講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
9440.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
9443.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
不像現在的官員只想護航 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
9443.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
9444.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
然後不講真話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
9445.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
9446.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
9446.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
9448.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
這個徐福主任你也站過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
9448.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
9450.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
食安法當時在修法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
9450.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
9452.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
你應該站你當時是專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
9452.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
9455.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
上一波的食安法修法的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
9455.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
9456.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
我跟大家講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
9456.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
9458.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
他很明確告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
9458.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
9461.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
食品包含原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
9461.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
9462.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
跟產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
9463.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
9466.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
而且他又告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
9466.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
9470.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
這個產品涉及到的原材料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
9470.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
9473.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
原料半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
9473.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
9475.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
他都要業者做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
9475.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
9478.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
自主的檢驗把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
9479.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
9483.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
所以當時2014年所修的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
9483.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
9485.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
他的修法的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
9485.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
9487.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
就是詹長權教授所講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
9487.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
9490.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
他是建立在預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
9490.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
9493.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
跟可控的這樣的精神裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
9493.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
9497.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
如果你今天是站在一個預警的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
9497.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
9498.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
管控食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
9498.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
9501.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
從源頭把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
9501.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
9503.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
今天台糖發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
9503.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
9507.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
這樣的一個原油脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
9507.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
9511.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
本便品嚴重超標的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
9511.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
9513.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
作為一個國營企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
9513.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
9516.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
善盡社會責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
9516.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
9521.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
就應該要通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
9521.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
9522.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
這樣的一個做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
9522.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
9525.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
才符合所有食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
9525.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
9527.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
你從第一條看到最後一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
9527.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
9529.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
他在要求的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
9529.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
9533.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
都是從源頭的原料管道成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
9533.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].end |
9536.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].text |
絕對不是你們現在的推脫之詞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
9536.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].end |
9539.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
什麼這個脫膠的原油不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
9539.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
9543.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
所以都不在食安法的管制範圍嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
9543.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
9546.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
這樣的說法荒謬無比 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
9546.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
9550.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
而且完全違反食安法的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
9550.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
9553.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
這個也是我相信詹長權教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
9553.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
9555.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
為什麼他痛批 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
9555.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
9558.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
他說這已經是政府誠信跟治理的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
9559.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
9563.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
法律你要從嚴或從寬解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
9563.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
9566.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
的確政府你把握了公權力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
9566.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
9568.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
你有權去解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
9568.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
9570.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
但是我只能說你要憑良心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
9570.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
9572.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
食安法的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
9572.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
9574.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
是給你們這樣子濫用的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
9574.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
9576.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
更何況我們再來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
9578.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
9580.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
這個衛福部不要自己講過的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
9580.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
9582.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
立刻講過就忘記 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
9583.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
9586.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
你在2014年3月11號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
9587.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
9590.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
那時候的整個食藥署很正常 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
9591.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
9593.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
而且勇於認識 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
9593.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
9595.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
而且積極開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
9595.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
9597.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
從這個蘇丹紅事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
9597.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
9600.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
願意認真去檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
9600.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
9602.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
而且告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
9602.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
9604.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
就是原料出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
9604.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
9606.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
也都需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
9606.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
9609.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
因為我們拒絕源頭不法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
9609.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
9611.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
講得非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
9611.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
9614.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
這一篇新聞稿我給100分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
9615.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
9616.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
9616.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
9617.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
認真做事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
9617.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
9619.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
而且他提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
9619.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
9621.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
9621.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
9625.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
如果你發現原料或產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
9625.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
9629.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
有危害衛生安全之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
9629.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
9630.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
要主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
9631.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
9635.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
通報直轄市縣市主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].start |
9636.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
9640.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
這個是2024白紙黑字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
9641.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
9643.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
由食藥署發出的新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
9644.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
9647.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].text |
他的校期只有兩年嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].start |
9648.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].end |
9651.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].text |
遇到了台糖就會轉溫嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].start |
9652.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].end |
9655.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].text |
你當時這樣的一個宣示 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].start |
9655.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].end |
9659.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].text |
難道你沒有通通去告訴所有的業者嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].start |
9659.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].end |
9661.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].text |
原料有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].start |
9661.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].end |
9662.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].text |
需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
9662.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
9664.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].text |
還是要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].start |
9664.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].end |
9667.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].text |
結果為了替台糖開脫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
9667.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
9670.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
你現在所有的法律重新解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
9670.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
9672.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
你又倒退回來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
9672.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
9675.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
好像2024年這件事情沒有發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
9675.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
9676.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
我還沒有講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].start |
9676.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].end |
9677.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].text |
你不要插嘴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
9677.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
9678.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
源頭就要管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].start |
9678.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].end |
9679.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].text |
這個沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].start |
9679.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
9680.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
這源頭就是要管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].start |
9680.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
9681.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
你等我講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].start |
9683.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
9684.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
9685.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].end |
9688.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].text |
真的讓人家對於現在的衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
9688.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].end |
9689.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].text |
非常的失望 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
9689.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
9692.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].text |
我要請行政院食安辦的許甫主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].start |
9692.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].end |
9693.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].text |
你現在站出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
9693.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].end |
9696.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
你作為衛福部上級的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
9697.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
9698.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
那個來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
9698.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
9699.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].text |
許甫主任講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
9701.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].end |
9702.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].text |
各位好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
9703.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
9706.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
2014年這個食安法的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
9706.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
9707.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
是不是我們要預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].start |
9707.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].end |
9709.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].text |
我們要做風險管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].start |
9709.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].end |
9710.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].text |
我們要從源頭管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].start |
9710.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].end |
9711.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].text |
是或不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].start |
9711.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].end |
9712.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].text |
原則上是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].start |
9712.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].end |
9715.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
但是它的樣態不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].start |
9715.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].end |
9718.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].text |
我剛聽委員的這個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].start |
9718.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].end |
9719.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].text |
事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].start |
9719.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].end |
9721.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].text |
從原料來看它有分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].start |
9721.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].end |
9725.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].text |
假設一個微生物的含量過高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].start |
9725.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].end |
9727.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].text |
那就是要透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].start |
9727.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].end |
9730.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].text |
所以不是所有的原料都需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].start |
9730.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].end |
9733.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].text |
2024年食藥署的這一個公開的宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].start |
9733.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].end |
9734.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].text |
跟新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].start |
9734.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].end |
9737.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].text |
蘇丹紅那是不得在食品裡面去檢出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].start |
9737.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].end |
9738.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].text |
它不是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].start |
9738.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].end |
9739.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].text |
所以這個新聞稿的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].start |
9739.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].end |
9742.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].text |
有效範圍僅限於蘇丹紅嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].start |
9742.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].end |
9745.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].text |
你的原料是只有蘇丹紅這三個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].start |
9745.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].end |
9748.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].text |
不是就不應添加的都應該要這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].start |
9748.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].end |
9750.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].text |
你有說不應添加嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
9750.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].end |
9752.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].text |
你有認真看待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].start |
9752.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].end |
9754.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].text |
大家看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].start |
9754.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].end |
9756.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].text |
我們的法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
9756.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].end |
9758.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].text |
我們的第15條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].start |
9758.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].end |
9760.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].text |
第一項第三款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].start |
9760.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].end |
9762.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].text |
是誰告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
9762.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].end |
9763.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].text |
是誰告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
9763.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].end |
9765.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
要添加的才算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].start |
9765.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].end |
9766.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].text |
不是這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
9766.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].end |
9768.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
詹老師講的是有道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
9768.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].end |
9770.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
但是要看樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
9770.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].end |
9772.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].text |
你所有的生的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
9772.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].end |
9774.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].text |
菌的數量一定是比較多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
9774.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].end |
9776.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].text |
那當然是從預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
9776.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].end |
9778.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].text |
你要先殺完菌才能再來用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
9778.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].end |
9781.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
那你做成調理包的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
9781.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].end |
9783.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
變成下游拿來用的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
9783.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].end |
9784.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].text |
它就不應該炒標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
9784.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
9787.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
所以它的這個樣態是會不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
9787.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
9788.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
好那我就問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
9788.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
9790.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
所以脫膠原油的本扁皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
9790.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
9792.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].text |
有多少才合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
9792.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].end |
9793.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].text |
含有多少才合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
9793.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].end |
9795.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
這個全世界並沒有針對這個去訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
9795.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].end |
9797.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
這個標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
9797.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
9800.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
所以我們是在看成品游 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
9800.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
9802.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
那你的預警機制到底怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
9802.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
9803.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
當你下游 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
9803.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
9806.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
當中年生產出來的脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
9806.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
9808.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
本扁皮超標這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
9808.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
9810.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
你還說因為我們沒有訂標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
9810.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
9812.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
我不能採取任何作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
9812.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].end |
9814.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
那你怎麼樣去預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
9814.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
9816.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
檢查出來有意義嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
9816.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
9819.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
好比說放白土活性炭等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
9819.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].end |
9823.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
下降到這個合格值之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
9823.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].end |
9825.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
你覺得這樣合理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
9825.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
9828.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
你覺得台糖都不敢用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
9828.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
9830.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
那這一波有疑慮了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
9830.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
9832.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
然後這個都不需要處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
9832.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
9833.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
也不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
9833.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
9835.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
你們現在還覺得這樣很合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
9835.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
9837.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
那你們如果要這樣子管理食安的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
9837.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
9840.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
最大的破口就是行政院跟外福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
9840.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
9843.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
你們從點頭去放鬆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
9843.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
9844.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
我就舉台糖為例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
9844.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].end |
9845.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
放鬆啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
9845.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
9846.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
沒有放鬆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
9846.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
9847.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
那我就問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
9847.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
9849.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
台糖這一批的脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
9849.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
9850.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
為什麼需要退運 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
9852.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
9854.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
為什麼不能再生產製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
9854.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
9855.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
為什麼你們要告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
9855.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
9857.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
他繼續在中聯的油炒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
9857.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
9859.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
按照你們剛剛回答的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
9859.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
9861.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
你知道犯了多大的問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
9861.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
9864.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
只要可以脫臭最終成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
9864.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
9867.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
驗不出本扁皮就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
9867.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
9869.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
我管你原料有多糟糕 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
9869.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
9871.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
我的技術可以精煉到這樣就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
9871.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
9872.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
9873.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
9875.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
我們要管理確保食安是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
9875.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
9877.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
所以都要從原料管理啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
9877.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
9879.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
怎麼會說原料不需要管理呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
9879.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
9883.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
這一批原料自始至終都在中聯裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
9883.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
9885.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].text |
它不是台糖的物品啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
9885.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
9888.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
所以台糖派人去中聯看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
9888.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
9889.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
去送驗回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
9889.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
9891.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
知道說這一批梅荷格的不能收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
9891.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
9893.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
徐福主任我提醒你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
9893.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
9894.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].text |
這件事情是這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
9894.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
9895.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
你現在是食安辦的主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
9896.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
9898.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
你不是台糖的發言人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
9900.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
9902.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
作為一個食安辦的主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
9902.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
9906.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
我真的希望你有詹長犬教授這樣的勇氣跟骨氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
9908.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
9910.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
這樣才能做好食安的把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
9910.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
9912.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
而不是遇到事情的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
9912.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
9914.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
你們都變成是護航團 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
9914.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
9915.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
沒有必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
9915.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
9919.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
我今天也沒有說台糖有非常非常的不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
9919.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
9922.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
但我認為他做錯一件事情是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
9922.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
9924.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
你至少門前雪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
9924.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
9926.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
你今天發現這麼重大的瑕疵 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
9926.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
9929.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
你為什麼跟主管機關講一聲會怎樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
9930.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
9933.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
你不是阻止了一場重大食安事件的發生嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
9933.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
9936.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
結果你們現在不是全部矛起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
9936.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
9938.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
要告訴大家說台糖沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
9938.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
9939.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
台糖好棒棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
9940.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
9941.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
是棒在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
9943.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
9944.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
他至少門前雪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
9944.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
9946.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
他沒有發揮他該有的社會責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].start |
9946.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
9948.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
他連一個吹哨者都不如 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
9948.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
9952.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
在這一點上面不應該被檢討嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].start |
9952.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
9953.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
我就問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
9953.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
9954.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].text |
下一次有類似這樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
9954.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
9956.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
你認為他應不該通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
9959.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
9960.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
要或不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
9960.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
9961.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
你作為一個食安辦的主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
9961.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
9962.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
你趕快講真話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
9962.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
9963.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
要不要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
9964.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
9965.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
9966.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
9968.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].text |
依法規來取決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
9968.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
9969.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].text |
我就直接問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
9969.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
9971.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
下一次如果這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
9971.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
9973.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].text |
你們這個脫交原有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].start |
9973.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
9976.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
出現本田地鈔標像這樣子欺貝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
9976.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
9977.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].text |
需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
9980.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
9981.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
需不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
9981.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
9983.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
台糖有沒有通報的責任跟義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
9983.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
9984.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
這是他的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
9984.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
9986.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
應該不是台糖原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
9986.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
9987.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
是中聯的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
9987.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
9989.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
在他的草裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
9989.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
9990.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
我要說明的是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
9990.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
9992.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
然後還要看樣態的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
9992.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
9994.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
好我真的不用問你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
9994.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
9996.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
你們太令人失望了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
9996.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
10000.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
這個如果我們的食安要把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
10000.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
10002.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
一定是源頭把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
10002.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
10005.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
一定是按照你們原來的這份新聞稿講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
10005.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
10009.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
原料半成品還有成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
10009.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
10011.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
發現有問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
10011.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
10013.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
都應該要主動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
10013.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
10017.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
你這個才能發揮成成把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
10017.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].end |
10019.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
這樣子互相去監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].start |
10019.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
10021.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
互相去通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
10021.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
10023.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
你才能為食安把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
10023.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
10025.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].text |
但是我真的非常的痛心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
10025.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
10027.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].text |
今天我們的公部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
10027.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
10030.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
不站在捍衛人民食安最高標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
10030.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
10034.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
我要講的是最高標準來執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
10034.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
10038.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
然後講一些是是而非的道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
10038.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
10039.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
然後再硬拗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
10039.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
10042.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
這樣子我們的食安怎麼從源頭把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
10042.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
10044.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
這個真的是讓人家看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
10044.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
10046.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
非常非常的失望 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].start |
10046.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].end |
10047.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].text |
真理不敢講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
10048.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].end |
10050.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].text |
我真的覺得你們的位置通通都可以下來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
10050.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].end |
10052.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].text |
我們希望詹長權教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
10052.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].end |
10055.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
可以來主導我們的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].start |
10055.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].end |
10057.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].text |
我們現在食安需要長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].start |
10058.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].end |
10061.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].text |
長理的人是要有一個有道德的勇氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].start |
10061.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].end |
10063.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].text |
在食安把關上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].start |
10063.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].end |
10066.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].text |
他真的是站在人民這一邊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].start |
10066.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].end |
10067.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].text |
我們需要這樣的一個專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].start |
10067.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].end |
10069.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].text |
來帶領我們的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].start |
10069.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].end |
10072.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].text |
如果只是為了位置而存在的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].start |
10072.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].end |
10074.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].text |
我真的覺得我們台灣真的不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].start |
10074.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].end |
10076.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].text |
好 我的質詢到這邊結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].start |
10076.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].end |
10077.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].text |
我跟委員最後說明一句 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].start |
10078.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].end |
10080.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].text |
我們的調查報告寫得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].start |
10080.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].end |
10084.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].text |
必須按照原料的品質做製程調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].start |
10084.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].end |
10086.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].text |
所以需要監督的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].start |
10086.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].end |
10088.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].text |
是地方政府要去監督好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].start |
10088.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].end |
10090.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].text |
他的製程過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].start |
10090.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].end |
10092.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].text |
是不是符合HACCP的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].start |
10093.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].end |
10095.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].start |
10096.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].end |
10098.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].text |
謝謝王毓民委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].start |
10098.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].end |
10100.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].text |
現在請邱霍入委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].start |
10103.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].end |
10106.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].text |
好 有請主席還有各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].start |
10106.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].end |
10107.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].text |
各位官員大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
10107.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].end |
10109.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].text |
有請石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
10109.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].end |
10111.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].text |
有請江志剛署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].start |
10112.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].end |
10114.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].text |
有請江署長石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].start |
10114.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].end |
10115.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].text |
好 委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].start |
10115.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].end |
10116.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].text |
是 我必須說呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].start |
10116.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].end |
10118.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].text |
這個剛陳金輝委員跟王毓民委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
10118.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].end |
10120.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].text |
在台下質詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
10120.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].end |
10124.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].text |
我有非常多次我都忍不住了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
10124.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].end |
10126.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].text |
我都好想插嘴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].start |
10126.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].end |
10128.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].text |
但是我忍到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].start |
10128.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
10130.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].text |
終於換我上台了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
10130.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].end |
10133.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].text |
好 我今天的題目是台長不通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].start |
10133.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].end |
10135.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].text |
還誇口他是乖寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
10135.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
10138.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
真的是讓人家這個聽不下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
10138.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
10141.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
那前情提要我先問上次的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
10141.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
10143.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
上次陳金輝委員問說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
10143.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
10146.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].text |
可不可以公布20%神秘會議專家的名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
10146.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
10148.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
然後你有提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
10148.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
10150.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
你要去詢問專家願不願意被公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
10150.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
10152.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
請問一下你詢問的結果是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
10153.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
10156.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
我們今天下午會把它公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
10156.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
10158.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
你說公布七位委員的名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
10158.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
10159.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
七位委員的名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
10159.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
10161.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
但是請大家不要獵巫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
10161.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
10163.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
他們都是學友專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
10163.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
10165.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
我們就是論事啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
10165.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
10166.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].text |
怎麼會獵巫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
10166.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
10167.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].text |
我們又不是輕鳥側翼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
10167.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
10168.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
怎麼會獵巫呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
10168.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
10170.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
所以神秘的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
10170.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
10171.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
你們到時候會公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
10171.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
10172.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
那我們就拭目以待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
10172.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
10175.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
好 那現在重點來了講內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].start |
10175.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
10176.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].text |
內容就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].start |
10176.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].end |
10178.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].text |
因為剛陳金輝委員也有修會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
10178.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
10179.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].text |
我有觀察到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].start |
10179.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].end |
10182.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].text |
會議紀錄最後的結論就是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].start |
10182.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].end |
10185.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].text |
建議將專家所提的建議納入考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].start |
10185.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].end |
10189.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].text |
建議業者預防性下架以20%為標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].start |
10189.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].end |
10191.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].text |
可是建議怎麼變強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].start |
10191.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].end |
10193.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].text |
7月4號公布的一個新聞就是強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].start |
10193.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].end |
10196.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].text |
就是20%以上的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].start |
10196.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].end |
10198.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].text |
20%以下還可以再加上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].start |
10198.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].end |
10200.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].text |
這不就是當時的法律秩序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].start |
10200.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].end |
10201.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].text |
請問一下誰拍板 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].start |
10201.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].end |
10203.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].text |
剛陳金輝委員已經有問了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].start |
10203.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].end |
10205.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].text |
好像是江之港委那個署長拍板 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].start |
10205.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].end |
10207.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].text |
因為你是會議主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].start |
10207.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].end |
10209.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].text |
所以這個20%人家學者只是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].start |
10209.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].end |
10211.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].text |
那最後要有一個人拍板 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].start |
10211.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].end |
10213.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].text |
變成7月4號的法律秩序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].start |
10213.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].end |
10215.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].text |
剛好像陳金輝委員問到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].start |
10215.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].end |
10216.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].text |
是江之港署長拍板 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].start |
10216.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].end |
10218.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].text |
我只是在確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].start |
10218.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].end |
10219.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].text |
這個問題太重要了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].start |
10219.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].end |
10220.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].text |
我只是在確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].start |
10220.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].end |
10222.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].text |
所以江署長是你拍板嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].start |
10222.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].end |
10224.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].text |
所以不是時部長拍板 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].start |
10224.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].end |
10226.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].text |
也不是行政院長拍板嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].start |
10226.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].end |
10228.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].text |
在跟委員說明這一次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].start |
10228.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].end |
10230.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].text |
整個的這個預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].start |
10230.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].end |
10232.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].text |
是逐步的在擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].start |
10232.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].end |
10234.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].text |
它是逐步的擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].start |
10234.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].end |
10236.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].text |
一開始是問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].start |
10236.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].end |
10238.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].text |
不用講那些我都知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].start |
10238.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].end |
10243.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].text |
7月8號24點才把第二章到三點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].start |
10243.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].end |
10246.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].text |
不要轉移焦點不要問A打B |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].start |
10246.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].end |
10247.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].text |
因為時間很有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].start |
10247.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].end |
10248.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].text |
我後面題目很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].start |
10248.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].end |
10250.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].text |
那請問一下是誰拍板 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].start |
10250.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].end |
10251.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].text |
江之港署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].start |
10251.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].end |
10252.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].text |
你要不要為自己捍衛一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].start |
10252.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].end |
10254.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].text |
因為剛剛聽起來就是你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].start |
10254.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].end |
10255.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].text |
你是會議主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].start |
10255.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].end |
10256.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].text |
最後是你拍板嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].start |
10257.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].end |
10258.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].text |
這個最後都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].start |
10258.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].end |
10259.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].text |
沒關係你不要護航 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].start |
10259.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].end |
10260.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].text |
我在問江之港 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].start |
10260.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].end |
10262.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].text |
都是我們為福部來處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].start |
10262.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].end |
10264.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].text |
那所以就是時同僚拍板嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].start |
10264.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].end |
10265.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].text |
就是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].start |
10265.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].end |
10267.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].text |
我只是要一個人民而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].start |
10267.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].end |
10268.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].text |
那你的意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].start |
10268.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].end |
10269.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].text |
都是你們為福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].start |
10269.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].end |
10270.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].text |
那就是你加張 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].start |
10270.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].end |
10272.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].text |
那個江之港署長兩個人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].start |
10272.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].end |
10273.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].text |
意思就是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].start |
10273.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].end |
10274.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].text |
還是你還要再去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].start |
10274.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].end |
10276.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].text |
這最後要怎麼樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].start |
10276.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].end |
10279.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].text |
這個擴大這個預防性下架的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].start |
10279.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].end |
10281.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].text |
都是參考了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].start |
10281.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].end |
10282.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].text |
不是這個20%你們到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].start |
10282.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].end |
10284.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].text |
不是都還認為很正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].start |
10284.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].end |
10286.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].text |
專家會你的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].start |
10286.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].end |
10289.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].text |
然後再根據我們調查的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].start |
10289.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].end |
10292.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].text |
都還認為20%很正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].start |
10292.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].end |
10293.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].text |
而會嘎然而止 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].start |
10293.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].end |
10294.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].text |
只是因為不希望地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].start |
10294.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].end |
10296.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].text |
他在執行上有困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].start |
10296.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].end |
10298.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].text |
如果你真的覺得這20% |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].start |
10298.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].end |
10299.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].text |
這麼的美好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].start |
10299.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].end |
10300.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].text |
為什麼到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].start |
10300.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].end |
10302.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].text |
問一個人民問不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].start |
10302.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].end |
10304.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].text |
那這樣子不是讓我們很自益嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].start |
10304.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].end |
10305.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].text |
我們已經同意了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].start |
10305.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].end |
10307.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].text |
不是就誰拍板嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].start |
10307.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].end |
10308.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].text |
就誰拍板嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].start |
10308.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].end |
10309.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].text |
就你跟江之港署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].start |
10309.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].end |
10310.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].text |
兩個人拍板嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].start |
10310.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].end |
10311.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].text |
為什麼問一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].start |
10311.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].end |
10313.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].text |
你如果20%的沒有身分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].start |
10313.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].end |
10315.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].text |
為什麼要迴避要反躲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].start |
10315.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].end |
10316.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].text |
沒有問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].start |
10316.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].end |
10317.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].text |
沒有問題你就講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].start |
10317.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].end |
10318.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].text |
等於是誰是你嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].start |
10318.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].end |
10320.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].text |
是從量拍板20%嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].start |
10320.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].end |
10321.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].text |
就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].start |
10321.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].end |
10323.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].text |
好那奇怪這個答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].start |
10323.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].end |
10324.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].text |
其實早就可以承認了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].start |
10324.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].end |
10326.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].text |
為什麼到今天8月5號才承認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].start |
10326.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].end |
10328.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].text |
好來台湯蓋牌呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].start |
10328.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].end |
10329.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].text |
那如果我想台湯的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].start |
10329.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].end |
10330.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].text |
我們都非常了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].start |
10330.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].end |
10333.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].text |
如果不是台中的地方法院吹哨的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].start |
10333.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].end |
10335.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].text |
我想我們全民現在還蒙在鼓裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].start |
10335.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].end |
10337.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].text |
那剛我也講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].start |
10337.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].end |
10339.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].text |
南橋沒有通報被開罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].start |
10339.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].end |
10341.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].text |
台湯沒有通報就被開脫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].start |
10341.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].end |
10342.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].text |
很明顯的就是雙標嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].start |
10342.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].end |
10344.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].text |
那現在署長你的意思就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].start |
10344.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].end |
10347.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].text |
大家去追究台湯你不了解這個邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].start |
10347.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].end |
10349.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].text |
那我們才不了解你的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].start |
10349.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].end |
10350.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].text |
因為邏輯很簡單啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].start |
10350.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].end |
10353.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].text |
邏輯就是食安法第七條第五項啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].start |
10353.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].end |
10356.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].text |
如果發現產品有危害安全衛生之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].start |
10356.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].end |
10359.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].text |
那就應該要通報當地的主管縣市啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].start |
10359.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].end |
10360.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].text |
所以邏輯很簡單啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].start |
10360.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].end |
10363.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].text |
第七條第五項法有明文規定啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].start |
10363.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].end |
10366.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].text |
產品有危害衛生安全之虞就要通報啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].start |
10366.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].end |
10368.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].text |
請問哪裡不了解這個邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].start |
10369.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].end |
10371.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].text |
我的邏輯很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].start |
10371.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].end |
10376.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].text |
我們訂的扁平比的標準是實用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].start |
10376.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].end |
10378.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].text |
這個是脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].start |
10378.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].end |
10381.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].text |
我們沒有訂脫膠原油的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].start |
10381.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].end |
10383.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].text |
好那時部長我要跟你講一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].start |
10383.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].end |
10386.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].text |
不是法律專家就不要亂解釋法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].start |
10386.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].end |
10389.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].text |
不是法律專家不懂法律就請長佐 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].start |
10390.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].end |
10393.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].text |
什麼叫做脫膠原油不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].start |
10393.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].end |
10395.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].text |
食安法哪一條告訴我們脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].start |
10395.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].end |
10397.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].text |
半成品不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].start |
10398.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].end |
10401.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].text |
食安法哪一條告訴我們脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].start |
10401.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].end |
10403.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].text |
這個半成品不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].start |
10403.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].end |
10405.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].text |
脫膠原油沒有訂標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].start |
10405.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].end |
10409.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].text |
BAP的標準是指食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].start |
10409.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].end |
10413.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].text |
脫膠原油不是食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].start |
10413.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].end |
10415.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].text |
所以它就沒有標準啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].start |
10415.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].end |
10416.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].text |
沒有標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].start |
10416.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].end |
10418.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].text |
如果要訂也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].start |
10418.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].end |
10420.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].text |
我們大家來討論要訂多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].start |
10420.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].end |
10424.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].text |
可是全世界沒有人訂脫膠原油的扁平標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].start |
10424.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].end |
10426.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].text |
你是不是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].start |
10426.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].end |
10427.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].text |
你是人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].start |
10428.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].end |
10430.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].text |
那生你的阿公的阿公 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].start |
10430.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].end |
10432.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].text |
你來自於阿公的阿公嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].start |
10432.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].end |
10434.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].text |
今天才有你存在站在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].start |
10434.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].end |
10435.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].text |
你是人嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].start |
10435.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].end |
10436.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].text |
那你阿公的阿公是不是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].start |
10437.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].end |
10440.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].text |
你下游這個人的產品是從上游來的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].start |
10440.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].end |
10441.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].text |
你的阿公應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].start |
10441.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].end |
10443.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].text |
你阿公是不是人你回答不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].start |
10445.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].end |
10447.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].text |
你的阿公是不是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].start |
10448.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].end |
10450.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].text |
我是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].start |
10450.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].end |
10451.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].text |
阿公是不是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].start |
10451.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].end |
10453.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].text |
我的細胞不能說細胞就是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].start |
10453.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].end |
10455.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].text |
不是啦我在問你阿公是不是人啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].start |
10455.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].end |
10457.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].text |
你就是從阿公來的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].start |
10457.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].end |
10458.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].text |
人是由細胞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].start |
10458.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].end |
10460.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].text |
然後組成器官 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].start |
10460.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].end |
10462.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].text |
你的阿公是不是人你不敢回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].start |
10462.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].end |
10464.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].text |
回避到這種程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].start |
10464.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].end |
10466.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].text |
不是啊你就回答阿公是不是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].start |
10466.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].end |
10467.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].text |
你再回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].start |
10467.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].end |
10469.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].text |
我在打連我的邏輯啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].start |
10469.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].end |
10470.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].text |
那你的阿公 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].start |
10470.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].end |
10472.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].text |
問你你的阿公是不是人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].start |
10472.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].end |
10474.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].text |
我不瞭解你的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].start |
10474.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].end |
10475.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].text |
你不瞭解我的邏輯啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].start |
10475.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].end |
10477.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].text |
那你就是連你現在就是護航 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].start |
10477.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].end |
10479.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].text |
到連你的阿公是不是人你都沒有辦法回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].start |
10479.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].end |
10481.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].text |
好那我問部長的邏輯就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].start |
10481.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].end |
10483.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].text |
如果今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].start |
10483.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].end |
10485.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].text |
我沒有要批評你的阿公 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].start |
10485.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].end |
10486.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].text |
是因為你不回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].start |
10486.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].end |
10487.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].text |
我現在要問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].start |
10487.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].end |
10489.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].text |
你的出油是不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].start |
10489.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].end |
10492.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].text |
如果你今天十大碰沙拉油是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].start |
10492.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].end |
10495.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].text |
為什麼來自於他的商流辦產品不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].start |
10495.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].end |
10497.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].text |
我現在問你一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].start |
10498.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].end |
10499.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].text |
食安法呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].start |
10499.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].end |
10501.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].text |
看不懂食安法請長佐 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].start |
10501.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].end |
10503.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].text |
來食安法對於食品的定義是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].start |
10503.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].end |
10505.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].text |
來講一下食品的定義是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].start |
10506.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].end |
10508.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].text |
那為什麼剛有一個人講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].start |
10508.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].end |
10510.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].text |
原料不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].start |
10510.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].end |
10511.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].text |
因為考量成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].start |
10511.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].end |
10514.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].text |
所以食安法才把原料歸進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].start |
10514.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].end |
10515.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].text |
原料不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].start |
10515.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].end |
10516.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].text |
這是誰的論述 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].start |
10516.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].end |
10517.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].text |
剛有一個人的論述 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].start |
10517.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].end |
10519.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].text |
曾經會委員問的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].start |
10519.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].end |
10521.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].text |
原料不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].start |
10523.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].end |
10525.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].text |
請問一下部長你覺得原料是食品嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].start |
10525.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].end |
10528.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].text |
在食安法第三條明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].start |
10528.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].end |
10532.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].text |
食品當然包含產品及其原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].start |
10532.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].end |
10534.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].text |
如果原料是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].start |
10534.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].end |
10536.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].text |
第七條的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].start |
10536.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].end |
10537.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].text |
你也可以念一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].start |
10537.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].end |
10539.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].text |
它談的是產品通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].start |
10540.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].end |
10541.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].text |
如果原料是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].start |
10541.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].end |
10543.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].text |
原料最後會變成成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].start |
10543.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].end |
10544.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].text |
第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].start |
10544.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].end |
10546.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].text |
中間會有經過辦成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].start |
10546.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].end |
10547.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].text |
那請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].start |
10547.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].end |
10549.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].text |
如果原料都已經是食品了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].start |
10549.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].end |
10554.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].text |
食品業者已發現產品有危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].start |
10554.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].end |
10556.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].text |
所以他針對的通報是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].start |
10556.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].end |
10558.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].text |
你為什麼覺得產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].start |
10558.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].end |
10560.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].text |
沒有包括成品跟辦成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].start |
10560.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].end |
10562.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].text |
為什麼你覺得成品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].start |
10562.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].end |
10564.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].text |
來我們看一下食安法第七條第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].start |
10564.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].end |
10568.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].text |
食品業者應該把產品原材料辦成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].start |
10568.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].end |
10571.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].text |
是食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].start |
10571.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].end |
10572.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].text |
你不要跟他稀扯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].start |
10572.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].end |
10574.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].text |
我現在跟你講產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].start |
10574.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].end |
10575.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].text |
來我請江志剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].start |
10575.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].end |
10577.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].text |
江志剛署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].start |
10577.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].end |
10578.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].text |
我知道你有法律背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].start |
10578.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].end |
10579.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].text |
請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].start |
10579.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].end |
10581.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].text |
產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].start |
10581.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].end |
10583.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].text |
食安法第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].start |
10583.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].end |
10584.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].text |
我們再講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].start |
10584.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].end |
10585.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].text |
如果產品有危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].start |
10585.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].end |
10587.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].text |
衛生健康之虞要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].start |
10587.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].end |
10588.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].text |
請問產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].start |
10588.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].end |
10591.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].text |
有包括成品跟辦成品嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].start |
10591.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].end |
10593.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].text |
我想這邊的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].start |
10593.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].end |
10594.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].text |
你有讀過法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].start |
10594.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].end |
10595.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].text |
請你不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].start |
10595.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].end |
10596.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].text |
相對應 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].start |
10596.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].end |
10598.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].text |
我們其實對於規制裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].start |
10598.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].end |
10600.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].text |
有訂標準的這些產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].start |
10600.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].end |
10601.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].text |
有違規 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].start |
10601.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].end |
10603.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].text |
不要先說解釋到這種程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].start |
10603.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].end |
10606.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].text |
我們現在單純就在講產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].start |
10606.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].end |
10607.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].text |
跟你做進一步的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].start |
10607.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].end |
10609.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].text |
那我什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].start |
10609.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].end |
10610.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].text |
我說就我的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].start |
10610.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].end |
10612.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].text |
我們對於這個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].start |
10612.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].end |
10613.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].text |
它有訂定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].start |
10613.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].end |
10616.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].text |
特定是衛生標準的扁平皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].start |
10616.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].end |
10618.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].text |
所以這個產品有違規 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].start |
10618.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].end |
10619.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].text |
一定要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].start |
10619.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].end |
10620.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].text |
之虞好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].start |
10620.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].end |
10621.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].text |
所以違規和產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].start |
10621.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].end |
10622.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].text |
你把之虞林淑芬委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].start |
10622.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].end |
10623.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].text |
在一個月之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].start |
10623.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].end |
10625.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].text |
就已經之虞兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].start |
10625.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].end |
10627.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].text |
一再而再的提醒衛福部了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].start |
10627.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].end |
10630.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].text |
之虞就是沒有嚴格標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].start |
10630.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].end |
10631.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].text |
懂不懂法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].start |
10631.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].end |
10632.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].text |
現在是連文藝解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].start |
10632.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].end |
10633.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].text |
也掌握不了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].start |
10633.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].end |
10634.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].start |
10634.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].end |
10635.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].text |
來第一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].start |
10635.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].end |
10637.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].text |
為什麼我現在簡單的問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].start |
10637.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].end |
10639.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].text |
為什麼食安法第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].start |
10639.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].end |
10640.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].text |
產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].start |
10640.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].end |
10641.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].text |
被你們解釋起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].start |
10641.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].end |
10643.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].text |
不包括成品跟辦成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].start |
10643.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].end |
10644.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].start |
10644.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].end |
10646.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].text |
如果你的第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].start |
10646.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].end |
10649.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].text |
有提到說產品原材料辦成品成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].start |
10649.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].end |
10652.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].text |
就代表ABC這項元素 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].start |
10652.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].end |
10655.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].text |
就是在食安食品的範圍之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].start |
10655.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].end |
10657.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].text |
為什麼產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].start |
10657.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].end |
10658.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].text |
被你們解釋起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].start |
10658.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].end |
10659.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].text |
沒有成品跟辦成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].start |
10659.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].end |
10661.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].text |
委員如果要把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].start |
10661.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].end |
10663.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].text |
做最大擴大的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].start |
10663.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].end |
10664.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].text |
也不是不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].start |
10664.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].end |
10666.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].text |
但是它的基本要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].start |
10666.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].end |
10668.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].text |
是要訂有標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].start |
10669.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].end |
10670.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].text |
人家已經知與了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].start |
10670.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].end |
10673.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].text |
請問知與會有標準嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].start |
10673.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].end |
10675.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].text |
知與你看不懂法律嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].start |
10675.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].end |
10676.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].text |
知與會有標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].start |
10676.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].end |
10678.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].text |
你現在為了要呼籲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].start |
10678.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].end |
10680.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].text |
委員到這種程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].start |
10680.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].end |
10681.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].text |
來我先跟你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].start |
10681.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].end |
10682.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].start |
10682.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].end |
10683.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].text |
這是因為法律專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].start |
10683.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].end |
10684.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].text |
所以聽不下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].start |
10684.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].end |
10686.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].text |
我在下面就是聽得很痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].start |
10686.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].end |
10687.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].text |
我講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].start |
10687.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].end |
10689.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].text |
所有的法律都有確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].start |
10689.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].end |
10690.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].start |
10690.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].end |
10691.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].text |
你要講法律是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].start |
10691.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].end |
10692.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].text |
你們的30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].start |
10692.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].end |
10693.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].text |
你們的31條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].start |
10693.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].end |
10694.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].text |
你們的32條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].start |
10694.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].end |
10695.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].text |
一錄以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].start |
10695.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].end |
10696.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].text |
你們都把 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].start |
10696.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].end |
10698.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].text |
食品跟產品兩個字混用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].start |
10698.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].end |
10700.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].text |
回去看食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].start |
10700.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].end |
10701.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].text |
不要在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].start |
10701.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].end |
10702.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].text |
一拗產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].start |
10702.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].end |
10703.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].text |
不是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].start |
10703.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].end |
10704.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].text |
產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].start |
10704.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].end |
10705.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].text |
其實它就包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].start |
10705.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].end |
10707.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].text |
成品跟辦成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].start |
10707.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].end |
10709.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].text |
你們不要再不了解文藝解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].start |
10709.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].end |
10711.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].text |
縱使不了解文藝解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].start |
10711.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].end |
10713.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].text |
也應該掌握目的性的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].start |
10713.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].end |
10715.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].text |
如果最上游的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].start |
10715.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].end |
10716.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].text |
都被認為是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].start |
10716.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].end |
10718.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].text |
中間會經過辦成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].start |
10718.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].end |
10719.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].text |
最後會變成成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].start |
10719.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].end |
10720.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].text |
為什麼中間那一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].start |
10720.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].end |
10721.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].text |
不叫食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].start |
10721.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].end |
10723.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].text |
你們不要昧著良心說話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].start |
10723.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].end |
10725.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].text |
這個完全是聽不下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].start |
10725.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].end |
10727.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].text |
完全對不起整部食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].start |
10727.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].end |
10728.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].text |
你們把整部食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].start |
10728.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].end |
10730.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].text |
解釋的支離破碎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].start |
10730.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].end |
10731.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].text |
原料的歸原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].start |
10731.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].end |
10732.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].text |
辦成品的歸辦成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].start |
10732.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].end |
10734.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].text |
成品的歸成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].start |
10734.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].end |
10735.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].text |
你們把整部食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].start |
10735.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].end |
10737.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].text |
解釋的支離破碎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].start |
10737.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].end |
10738.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].text |
就只是為了護航 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].start |
10740.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].end |
10742.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].text |
這些解釋可以請您去看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].start |
10742.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].end |
10744.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].text |
請你去問法律專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].start |
10744.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].end |
10746.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].text |
因為其實真的有法律專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].start |
10746.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].end |
10747.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].text |
已經打臉你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].start |
10747.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].end |
10749.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].text |
高前署的處任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].start |
10750 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].end |
10751 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].text |
他已經打臉你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].start |
10751 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].end |
10752 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].text |
人家是讀法律的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].start |
10752 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].end |
10754 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].text |
你不是讀法律的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].start |
10754 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].end |
10757 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].text |
你也許是衛生福利事項的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].start |
10757 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].end |
10759 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].text |
但是你不是解釋法律的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].start |
10759 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].end |
10760 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].text |
我們解釋法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].start |
10760 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].end |
10761 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].text |
有文藝解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].start |
10761 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].end |
10762 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].text |
有目的性解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].start |
10762 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].end |
10764 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].text |
我們有體系解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].start |
10764 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].end |
10766 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].text |
不管用哪一種標準解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].start |
10766 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].end |
10767 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].text |
解釋進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].start |
10767 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].end |
10769 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].text |
產品兩個字我再說一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].start |
10769 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].end |
10771 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].text |
就是包括成品跟辦成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].start |
10771 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].end |
10772 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].text |
我再說一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].start |
10772 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].end |
10774 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].text |
產品兩個字就是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].start |
10774 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].end |
10775 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].text |
我再說一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].start |
10775 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].end |
10776 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].text |
從食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].start |
10776 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].end |
10778 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].text |
從第一條看到最後一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].start |
10778 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].end |
10781 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].text |
產品跟食品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].start |
10781 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].end |
10782 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].text |
完全是混用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].start |
10782 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].end |
10783 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].text |
經得起考驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].start |
10783 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].end |
10785 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].text |
大家自己去翻食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].start |
10785 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].end |
10787 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].text |
請問一下經濟部的亂猜說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].start |
10787 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].end |
10788 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].text |
部長認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].start |
10789.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].end |
10791.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].text |
你如果去買菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].start |
10791.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].end |
10793.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].text |
結果那個阿姨跟你講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].start |
10795.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].end |
10796.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].text |
你買到這個亂猜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].start |
10796.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].end |
10797.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].text |
請問你做何感想 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].start |
10799.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].end |
10800.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].text |
請問你買的部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].start |
10800.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].end |
10801.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].text |
你買到這個亂猜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].start |
10801.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].end |
10802.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].text |
請問你做何感想 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].start |
10802.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].end |
10803.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].text |
我再問石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].start |
10806.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].end |
10807.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].text |
請問你買到這個亂猜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].start |
10807.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].end |
10808.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].text |
你做何感想 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].start |
10810.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].end |
10812.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].text |
這個照片有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].start |
10812.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].end |
10814.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].text |
沒有關係啦 就AI啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].start |
10815.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].end |
10817.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].text |
名字是你啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].start |
10817.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].end |
10819.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].text |
沒有經過我同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].start |
10819.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].end |
10820.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].text |
沒有經過你同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].start |
10820.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].end |
10822.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].text |
我對這個組織我很抗議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].start |
10822.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].end |
10824.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].text |
你很抗議 抗議什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].start |
10824.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].end |
10825.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].text |
請問你抗議什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].start |
10825.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].end |
10826.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].text |
沒有我同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].start |
10826.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].end |
10827.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].text |
怎麼會有我的肖像呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].start |
10827.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].end |
10828.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].text |
肖像完全是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].start |
10828.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].end |
10829.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].text |
所以你要怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].start |
10829.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].end |
10830.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].text |
可以這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].start |
10830.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].end |
10831.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].text |
你可以主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].start |
10831.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].end |
10832.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].text |
當然可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].start |
10832.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].end |
10833.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].text |
把它換成是委員的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].start |
10833.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].end |
10834.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].text |
可以啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].start |
10834.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].end |
10835.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].text |
你換了它這沒有什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].start |
10835.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].end |
10836.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].text |
這本來就是可說公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].start |
10836.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].end |
10837.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].text |
公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].start |
10837.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].end |
10838.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].text |
我尊重委員的肖像權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].start |
10838.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].end |
10839.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].text |
沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].start |
10839.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].end |
10841.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].text |
你如果真的覺得你不舒服 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].start |
10841.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].end |
10843.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].text |
或者是如果你覺得我有違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].start |
10843.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].end |
10844.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].text |
那就請你去提告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].start |
10844.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].end |
10845.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].text |
非常不舒服 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].start |
10845.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].end |
10847.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].text |
我很遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].start |
10847.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].end |
10849.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].text |
我很遺憾我在質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].start |
10849.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].end |
10851.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].text |
站在立法委員的職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].start |
10851.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].end |
10852.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].text |
然後你不舒服 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].start |
10852.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].end |
10853.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].text |
我很遺憾啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].start |
10853.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].end |
10854.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].text |
那如果你要我道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].start |
10854.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].end |
10855.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].text |
沒問題可以跟你道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].start |
10855.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].end |
10857.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].text |
這根本是芝麻綠豆大的小事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].start |
10857.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].end |
10859.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].text |
沒有必要拿來質詢台下議方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].start |
10859.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].end |
10860.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].text |
第一如果你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].start |
10860.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].end |
10861.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].text |
這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].start |
10861.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].end |
10862.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].text |
這個不是芝麻綠豆大的小事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].start |
10862.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].end |
10863.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].text |
好沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].start |
10863.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].end |
10864.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].text |
如果你不舒服 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].start |
10864.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].end |
10865.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].text |
我就道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].start |
10865.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].end |
10866.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].text |
那我現在就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].start |
10866.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].end |
10868.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].text |
如果今天你去買到一個爛菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].start |
10868.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].end |
10869.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].text |
請問一下你做何感想 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].start |
10869.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].end |
10871.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].text |
我當然不會想要買爛菜啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].start |
10871.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].end |
10872.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].start |
10872.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].end |
10873.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].text |
你當然不會想買爛菜啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].start |
10873.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].end |
10875.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].text |
那為什麼爛菜會流通到市面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].start |
10875.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].end |
10876.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].text |
因為政府沒有介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].start |
10876.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].end |
10877.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].text |
政府沒有管制啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].start |
10877.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].end |
10880.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].text |
所以爛菜才出現在菜攤上啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].start |
10880.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].end |
10882.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].text |
你當然不會想到買爛菜啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].start |
10882.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].end |
10884.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].text |
如果不通報全民受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].start |
10884.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].end |
10886.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].text |
連你部長也會被包獲進去啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].start |
10886.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].end |
10887.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].text |
部長我問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].start |
10887.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].end |
10889.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].text |
請問你真的吃到毒油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].start |
10889.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].end |
10890.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].text |
你沒有關係嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].start |
10891.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].end |
10893.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].text |
我們會油品做安全的吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].start |
10893.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].end |
10895.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].text |
我告訴你這些油已經全部都流到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].start |
10895.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].end |
10897.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].text |
每個人的肚子裡面去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].start |
10897.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].end |
10898.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].text |
連代總統都吃到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].start |
10898.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].end |
10900.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].text |
你真的吃到毒油也沒關係嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].start |
10900.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].end |
10902.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].text |
好那我現在再問你一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].start |
10904.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].end |
10906.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].text |
請問一下通報只能靠法律嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].start |
10906.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].end |
10909.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].text |
我完全全認為食安法第七號第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].start |
10909.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].end |
10911.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].text |
就是包括成品、半成品還有原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].start |
10911.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].end |
10912.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].text |
那你不認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].start |
10912.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].end |
10913.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].text |
好退一步言之 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].start |
10913.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].end |
10915.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].text |
如果通報不能靠法律的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].start |
10915.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].end |
10917.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].text |
能不能靠良心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].start |
10917.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].end |
10918.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].text |
能不能用高標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].start |
10918.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].end |
10920.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].text |
法律只是一個最低的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].start |
10920.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].end |
10923.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].text |
良心是一個比較高的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].start |
10923.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].end |
10925.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].text |
難道我們對經濟本土 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].start |
10925.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].end |
10926.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].text |
我們台銅公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].start |
10926.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].end |
10928.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].text |
我們用的是最低的標準嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].start |
10928.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].end |
10930.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].text |
我們不能用高一點的標準嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].start |
10930.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].end |
10931.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].text |
我們都支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].start |
10931.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].end |
10933.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].text |
為了食安把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].start |
10933.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].end |
10934.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].text |
全民來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].start |
10934.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].end |
10936.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].text |
我們都支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].start |
10936.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].end |
10937.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].text |
我們也鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].start |
10937.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].end |
10940.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].text |
但是面對要裁罰的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].start |
10940.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].end |
10943.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].text |
我們必須依法裁處 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].start |
10943.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].end |
10945.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].text |
那依法裁處就是已經告訴你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].start |
10945.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].end |
10948.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].text |
你們可能要請法律專家來幫你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].start |
10948.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].end |
10950.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].text |
鑑定第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].start |
10950.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].end |
10951.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].text |
有沒有包括產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].start |
10951.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].end |
10953.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].text |
我相信你去問十個法律專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].start |
10953.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].end |
10955.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].text |
有十個法律專家都會告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].start |
10955.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].end |
10958.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].text |
產品絕對有包括成品跟半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].start |
10958.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].end |
10961.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].text |
所以請你今天去找法律專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].start |
10961.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].end |
10963.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].text |
跟他們諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].start |
10963.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].end |
10965.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].text |
好來那接著我們來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].start |
10965.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].end |
10967.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].text |
通報義務要不要問總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].start |
10967.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].end |
10969.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].text |
總統在當台南市長的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].start |
10969.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].end |
10972.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].text |
他有訂出這個台南市食品安全管理自治條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].start |
10972.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].end |
10975.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].text |
他有提到說食品有危害身體之慾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].start |
10975.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].end |
10977.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].text |
但四十八小時就要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].start |
10977.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].end |
10981.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].text |
那請問一下石崇良部長你認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].start |
10981.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].end |
10983.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].text |
這個賴清德總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].start |
10983.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].end |
10986.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].text |
在他市長任內所通過的這個自治條例嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].start |
10986.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].end |
10988.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].text |
我認同依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].start |
10988.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].end |
10989.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].text |
你認同依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].start |
10989.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].end |
10990.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].text |
你認同依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].start |
10990.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].end |
10993.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].text |
但是你今天認為台糖不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].start |
10993.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].end |
10996.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].text |
你就完全是打臉總統他在市長時期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].start |
10996.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].end |
10997.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].text |
所訂出來的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].start |
10997.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].end |
10999.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].text |
因為我們大家解讀就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].start |
10999.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].end |
11002.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].text |
剛剛提到我們需要依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].start |
11002.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].end |
11005.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].text |
衛福部一路開綠燈開到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].start |
11005.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].end |
11008.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].text |
請問一下台糖的依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].start |
11008.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].end |
11009.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].text |
那依法行政很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].start |
11009.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].end |
11011.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].text |
法律保留原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].start |
11011.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].end |
11013.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].text |
沒關係法律保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].start |
11013.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].end |
11016.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].text |
我們訂的就是食用油脂的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].start |
11016.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].end |
11018.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].text |
產品有依律的通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].start |
11018.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].end |
11020.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].text |
已經保留給法律去制定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].start |
11020.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].end |
11022.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].text |
就是食含法7條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].start |
11022.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].end |
11024.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].text |
他本身已經進行法律保留原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].start |
11024.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].end |
11027.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].text |
只是執法的人不認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].start |
11027.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].end |
11030.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].text |
法律裡頭的文藝有包括半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].start |
11030.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].end |
11032.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].text |
所以你說你要依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].start |
11032.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].end |
11034.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].text |
我舉雙手我舉雙腳半成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].start |
11034.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].end |
11035.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].text |
不要擴大文藝都沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].start |
11035.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].end |
11036.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].text |
但是我還是強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].start |
11036.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].end |
11037.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].text |
我沒有擴大文藝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].start |
11037.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].end |
11040.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].text |
你沒有擴大文藝這個就做法律的文藝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].start |
11040.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].end |
11043.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].text |
解釋跟目的性體質還有體質 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].start |
11045.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].end |
11046.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].text |
蛤你再說一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].start |
11046.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].end |
11048.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].text |
我們的貶貧比標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].start |
11048.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].end |
11053.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].text |
是定在食用油脂不是脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].start |
11053.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].end |
11055.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].text |
如果這樣下去的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].start |
11055.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].end |
11057.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].text |
可能還有很多人沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].start |
11057.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].end |
11058.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].text |
你有沒有看到董子余 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].start |
11058.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].end |
11060.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].text |
你剛開始在跟我編說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].start |
11060.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].end |
11062.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].text |
才不包括半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].start |
11062.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].end |
11065.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].text |
等我已經把聯名打到聯行總 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].start |
11065.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].end |
11067.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].text |
你講不下去你已經放棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].start |
11067.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].end |
11069.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].text |
護手產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].start |
11069.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].end |
11071.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].text |
你現在在給我護手之魚兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].start |
11071.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].end |
11073.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].text |
說這個是嚴格的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].start |
11073.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].end |
11075.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].text |
什麼貶貧比標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].start |
11075.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].end |
11078.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].text |
豬兩個字有嚴格的標準嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].start |
11078.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].end |
11080.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].text |
到底看不看得懂法律啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].start |
11082.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].end |
11084.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].text |
所以現在到底沒有通報是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].start |
11084.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].end |
11085.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].text |
出債產品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].start |
11085.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].end |
11087.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].text |
還是出債之魚兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].start |
11087.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].end |
11088.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].start |
11087.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].end |
11089.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].text |
要裁罰我們一定要依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].start |
11089.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].end |
11094.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].text |
我們的依據貶貧比是定在食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].start |
11096.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].end |
11098.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].text |
第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].start |
11098.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].end |
11101.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].text |
如果今天貶貧比是零減出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].start |
11101.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].end |
11103.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].text |
那麼大家都不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].start |
11103.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].end |
11107.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].text |
但是我們訂的是食用油脂的貶貧比標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].start |
11107.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].end |
11108.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].text |
你要不要再問他對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].start |
11108.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].end |
11109.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].text |
之魚兩個字的高見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].start |
11109.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].end |
11111.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].text |
請問一下衛福部什麼時候知情的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].start |
11111.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].end |
11112.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].text |
台糖的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].start |
11113.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].end |
11114.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].text |
我們是兩天前知情的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].start |
11114.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].end |
11116.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].text |
那衛福部什麼時候知情的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].start |
11119.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].end |
11122.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].text |
我們是專家進入我們署內的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].start |
11122.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].end |
11124.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].text |
進去調查原因的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].start |
11124.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].end |
11127.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].text |
看到的報告裡面有看到7月15號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].start |
11127.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].end |
11129.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].text |
所以你們7月15號才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].start |
11129.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].end |
11131.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].text |
台糖這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].start |
11131.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].end |
11132.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].text |
完全不知道這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].start |
11132.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].end |
11134.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].text |
所以你們7月15號才知道台糖這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].start |
11134.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].end |
11136.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].text |
來經濟部有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].start |
11136.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].end |
11138.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].text |
請問一下你們什麼時候知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].start |
11138.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].end |
11139.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].text |
這個台糖事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].start |
11145.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].end |
11147.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].start |
11147.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].end |
11149.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].start |
11148.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].end |
11150.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].text |
跟委員說明在7月9號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].start |
11150.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].end |
11153.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].text |
高雄市政府採訪預防性下架的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].start |
11153.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].end |
11156.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].text |
我們就積極的去了解說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].start |
11156.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].end |
11158.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].text |
台糖的所有的產品裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].start |
11158.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].end |
11161.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].text |
有沒有危害的食品安全之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].start |
11161.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].end |
11163.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].text |
所以你是7月9號才知道的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].start |
11163.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].end |
11165.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].text |
所以你是7月9號才知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].start |
11165.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].end |
11167.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].text |
台糖公司有把這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].start |
11167.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].end |
11168.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].text |
那時候火燒那麼大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].start |
11168.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].end |
11170.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].text |
你有沒有跟行政院長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].start |
11171.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].end |
11173.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].text |
不是 因為這個台糖的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].start |
11173.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].end |
11175.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].text |
我們去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].start |
11175.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].end |
11178.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].text |
台糖的所有的產品跟原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].start |
11178.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].end |
11180.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].text |
都是合乎食安法的規定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].start |
11180.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].end |
11182.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].start |
11182.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].end |
11186.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].text |
台糖所採購的所謂的出膠原有的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].start |
11186.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].end |
11187.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].text |
不允收的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].start |
11187.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].end |
11190.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].text |
始終是在台中的中聯廠裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].start |
11190.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].end |
11193.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].text |
並沒有到台糖的生產的供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].start |
11193.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].end |
11194.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].text |
那我現在問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].start |
11194.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].end |
11196.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].text |
而台中地方法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].start |
11196.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].end |
11197.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].text |
好 沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].start |
11197.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].end |
11199.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].text |
它在新聞稿提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].start |
11199.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].end |
11202.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].text |
沒關係 你說它退回給中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].start |
11202.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].end |
11205.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].text |
那中聯請問誰要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].start |
11205.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].end |
11206.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].text |
許甫主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].start |
11206.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].end |
11207.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].text |
剛剛是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].start |
11207.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].end |
11209.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].text |
是誰要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].start |
11209.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].end |
11210.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].text |
他們就是要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].start |
11210.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].end |
11211.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].text |
誰要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].start |
11211.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].end |
11212.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].text |
中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].start |
11212.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].end |
11213.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].text |
好 那我請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].start |
11213.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].end |
11214.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].text |
許甫誰要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].start |
11214.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].end |
11216.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].text |
許甫主任誰要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].start |
11216.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].end |
11219.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].text |
這個貨物的主人是中聯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].start |
11219.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].end |
11222.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].text |
所以是誰要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].start |
11222.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].end |
11224.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].text |
好 那這個只是脫膠原有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].start |
11224.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].end |
11228.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].text |
所以你們都覺得中聯要通報嗎 是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].start |
11228.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].end |
11230.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].text |
如果你們覺得中聯要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].start |
11230.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].end |
11233.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].text |
請問法律依據在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].start |
11233.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].end |
11235.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].text |
因為它只是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].start |
11235.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].end |
11236.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].text |
它只是脫膠原有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].start |
11236.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].end |
11238.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].text |
請問要通報的依據是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].start |
11238.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].end |
11240.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].text |
是七條第五項嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].start |
11240.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].end |
11242.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].text |
你們不是認為七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].start |
11242.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].end |
11245.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].text |
不能夠作為脫膠原有的通報依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].start |
11245.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].end |
11247.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].text |
如果台壇不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].start |
11247.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].end |
11249.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].text |
到了中聯就要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].start |
11249.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].end |
11251.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].text |
而中聯用的法條就是七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].start |
11251.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].end |
11253.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].text |
台壇因為七條第五項不能用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].start |
11253.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].end |
11255.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].text |
到了中聯就可以用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].start |
11255.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].end |
11257.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].text |
請問通報的法源依據在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].start |
11257.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].end |
11259.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].text |
好 我向委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].start |
11259.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].end |
11262.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].text |
同樣在十七條是衛生標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].start |
11262.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].end |
11264.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].text |
我剛有跟國防委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].start |
11264.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].end |
11267.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].text |
生菌素所有生的肉跟魚都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].start |
11267.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].end |
11270.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].text |
有危害安全值 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].start |
11270.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].end |
11273.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].text |
魚之魚兩個字是非常寬鬆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].start |
11273.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].end |
11275.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].text |
不要再跟我講嚴格的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].start |
11275.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].end |
11277.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].text |
本皮的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].start |
11277.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].end |
11280.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].text |
就所有的 你要看樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].start |
11280.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].end |
11282.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].text |
看原料屬於哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].start |
11282.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].end |
11283.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].text |
樣態就是台壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].start |
11283.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].end |
11285.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].text |
台壇的樣態就是不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].start |
11285.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].end |
11287.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].text |
樣態就是中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].start |
11287.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].end |
11288.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].text |
中聯就是要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].start |
11288.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].end |
11290.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].text |
這就是你們的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].start |
11290.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].end |
11293.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].text |
所以你們的抗片已經從產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].start |
11293.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].end |
11295.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].text |
現在已經發展到之魚兩個字了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].start |
11295.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].end |
11298.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].text |
好 那請問一下行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].start |
11298.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].end |
11300.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].text |
為什麼在專案報告的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].start |
11300.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].end |
11303.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].text |
我會理解我們吃的豬排 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].start |
11303.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].end |
11304.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].text |
它含有生菌 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].start |
11305.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].end |
11307.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].text |
所以生菌要不要來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].start |
11307.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].end |
11308.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].text |
不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].start |
11308.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].end |
11311.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].text |
因為它最終的產品是做成炸豬排 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].start |
11311.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].end |
11313.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].text |
它會把生菌消除掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].start |
11313.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].end |
11315.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].text |
生菌是什麼 細菌嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].start |
11315.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].end |
11317.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].text |
細菌 肉裡面有細菌 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].start |
11317.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].end |
11319.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].text |
那個是添加的細菌 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].start |
11319.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].end |
11321.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].text |
你不要在那邊跟我胡扯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].start |
11321.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].end |
11324.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].text |
你跟我胡扯 跟我胡扯你的阿公 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].start |
11324.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].end |
11326.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].text |
在你的耳裡聽起來很怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].start |
11326.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].end |
11328.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].text |
在我的耳裡聽起來很怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].start |
11328.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].end |
11331.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].text |
你不要再跟我扯細菌 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].start |
11331.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].end |
11333.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].text |
我現在講的是半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].start |
11333.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].end |
11334.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].text |
是屬於食品的一環 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].start |
11334.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].end |
11336.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].text |
你不要跟我扯東扯西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].start |
11336.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].end |
11339.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].text |
因為我覺得你的邏輯我才不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].start |
11339.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].end |
11342.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].text |
你的邏輯我才不懂得一塌糊塗好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].start |
11342.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].end |
11344.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].text |
來 行政院長請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].start |
11344.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].end |
11345.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].text |
他在食安匯報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].start |
11345.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].end |
11347.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].text |
怎麼沒有提到台糖這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].start |
11349.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].end |
11350.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].text |
你們有跟他報告嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].start |
11350.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].end |
11352.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].text |
你一個說7月9號知情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].start |
11352.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].end |
11353.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].text |
一個說7月15號知情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].start |
11353.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].end |
11354.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].text |
請問一下院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].start |
11354.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].end |
11358.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].text |
你們完全都沒有跟行政院長報告過這件事嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].start |
11358.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].end |
11362.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].text |
我們院大概就是署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].start |
11363.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].end |
11364.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].start |
11364.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].end |
11366.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].text |
所提到的就是從反正現在大概是9號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].start |
11366.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].end |
11368.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].text |
然後15號進場去看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].start |
11368.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].end |
11369.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].text |
我知道啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].start |
11369.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].end |
11371.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].text |
但你們請問一下衛福部這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].start |
11371.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].end |
11372.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].text |
有沒有跟行政院長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].start |
11373.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].end |
11374.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].text |
石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].start |
11374.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].end |
11376.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].text |
你有沒有跟行政院長報告這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].start |
11376.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].end |
11379.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].text |
台糖的是經濟部所屬的台糖國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].start |
11380.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].end |
11382.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].text |
這個都是在7月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].start |
11382.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].end |
11383.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].text |
我們已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].start |
11383.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].end |
11385.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].text |
不是啦 你就說有跟沒有就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].start |
11385.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].end |
11387.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].text |
不要打飛水彈時間很寶貴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].start |
11387.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].end |
11389.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].text |
我後面還沒做這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].start |
11389.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].end |
11392.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].text |
這個已經在7月1號以後都已經停工了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].start |
11392.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].end |
11394.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].text |
所以這個脫交原由 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].start |
11394.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].end |
11396.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].text |
他也沒有去執照啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].start |
11396.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].end |
11397.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].text |
你有沒有跟行政院長報告這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].start |
11397.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].end |
11398.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].text |
你先回答再來經濟部回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].start |
11398.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].end |
11401.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].text |
你有沒有跟行政院長報告這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].start |
11401.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].end |
11402.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].text |
7月15號知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].start |
11402.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].end |
11404.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].text |
有沒有跟行政院長報告這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].start |
11404.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].end |
11405.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].text |
所以行政院長跟我們一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].start |
11405.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].end |
11407.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].text |
是兩天前才知道的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].start |
11407.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].end |
11409.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].text |
我們最後一定會報告的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].start |
11409.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].end |
11411.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].text |
這個日期有那麼難以啟齒嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].start |
11412.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].end |
11414.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].text |
日期我要確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].start |
11414.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].end |
11417.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].text |
因為我經常在跟院長報告很多事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].start |
11417.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].end |
11419.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].text |
那你什麼時候能夠跟我們確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].start |
11421.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].end |
11423.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].text |
我要看看我能不能想得起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].start |
11424.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].end |
11428.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].text |
所以你就這麼不把你跟行政院長的會面上心嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].start |
11428.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].end |
11430.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].text |
居然還要看你想不想得起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].start |
11430.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].end |
11433.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].text |
不能夠因為他沒有關心你眼睛中的血絲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].start |
11433.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].end |
11435.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].text |
你就這樣子忽略院長啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].start |
11436.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].end |
11437.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].text |
我們有報告啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].start |
11437.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].end |
11439.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].text |
但是你一定要我幾月幾號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].start |
11439.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].end |
11440.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].text |
反正你就是講不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].start |
11440.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].end |
11442.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].text |
你不是我幾月幾號我就要想 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].start |
11442.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].end |
11443.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].text |
我知道你要想 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].start |
11443.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].end |
11444.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].text |
但你又說你有可能想不起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].start |
11444.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].end |
11446.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].text |
我想說長官跟長官見面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].start |
11446.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].end |
11447.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].text |
我們都很珍惜這樣的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].start |
11447.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].end |
11448.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].text |
結果你居然想不起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].start |
11448.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].end |
11451.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].text |
來經濟部長什麼時候跟行政院長報告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].start |
11453.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].end |
11456.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].text |
7月9號我們接獲台南公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].start |
11457.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].end |
11461.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].text |
通報他被高雄市政府預防性下架之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].start |
11462.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].end |
11468.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].text |
我們的國營師就請台南公司必須要配合地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].start |
11468.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].end |
11469.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].text |
跟行政院長不要講那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].start |
11469.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].end |
11471.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].text |
因為我快要收尾了好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].start |
11471.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].end |
11473.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].text |
我也不想到後面的人等很久 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].start |
11473.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].end |
11474.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].text |
我跟委員講的就是事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].start |
11474.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].end |
11476.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].text |
什麼時候跟行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].start |
11476.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].end |
11479.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].text |
因為我還沒聽到行政院長這四個關鍵字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].start |
11479.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].end |
11481.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].text |
什麼時候跟行政院長報告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].start |
11481.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].end |
11484.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].text |
因為台南公司依照他契約所辦理的一個事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].start |
11484.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].end |
11487.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].text |
他平常都不需要跟經濟部來做報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].start |
11487.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].end |
11489.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].text |
不是啦你知情之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].start |
11489.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].end |
11492.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].text |
你有沒有跟行政院長報告這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].start |
11492.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].end |
11493.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].text |
有還是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].start |
11494.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].end |
11496.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].text |
所以你們沒有跟行政院長報告嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].start |
11496.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].end |
11499.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].text |
吳相石部長沒有跟行政院長報告嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].start |
11499.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].end |
11500.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].text |
沒有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].start |
11501.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].end |
11505.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].text |
所以行政院長只是從梁部長去報告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].start |
11506.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].end |
11508.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].text |
你們沒有跟行政院長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].start |
11508.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].end |
11510.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].text |
台南公司會配合他這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].start |
11510.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].end |
11514.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].text |
除了專案跟地方專案的清查的一個作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].start |
11514.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].end |
11516.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].text |
不是你們到底有沒有跟行政院長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].start |
11516.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].end |
11517.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].text |
第一是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].start |
11517.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].end |
11519.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].text |
那檢查的結果當然是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].start |
11519.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].end |
11522.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].text |
中央主管機關或是地方主管機關都會知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].start |
11523.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].end |
11525.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].text |
不是啦我不是中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].start |
11525.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].end |
11526.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].text |
我在問行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].start |
11526.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].end |
11528.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].text |
他也是中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].start |
11528.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].end |
11530.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].text |
我在問院長知不知道這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].start |
11530.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].end |
11532.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].text |
你們經濟部有沒有跟他報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].start |
11532.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].end |
11535.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].text |
畢竟台南是國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].start |
11536.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].end |
11538.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].text |
你們有沒有跟院長報告嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].start |
11538.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].end |
11539.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].text |
這能難回答嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].start |
11540.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].end |
11543.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].text |
跟委員說明台糖生產的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].start |
11543.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].end |
11545.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].text |
譬如說大豆沙 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].start |
11545.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].end |
11546.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].text |
簡答題你們有沒有跟院長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].start |
11546.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].end |
11547.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].text |
一句話經濟部有沒有跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].start |
11547.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].end |
11549.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].text |
需要依照食安法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].start |
11549.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].end |
11551.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].text |
你們有沒有跟行政院長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].start |
11551.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].end |
11554.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].text |
這個就是台南公司的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].start |
11554.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].end |
11556.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].text |
所以你們沒有跟行政院長報告嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].start |
11556.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].end |
11558.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].text |
是嗎你們沒有跟行政院長報告是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].start |
11558.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].end |
11559.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].text |
是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].start |
11559.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].end |
11560.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].text |
是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].start |
11560.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].end |
11561.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].text |
沒有報告嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].start |
11561.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].end |
11562.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].text |
就是沒有報告是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].start |
11563.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].end |
11564.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].text |
聽起來就是沒有報告是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].start |
11565.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].end |
11567.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].text |
這個在我知道的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].start |
11567.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].end |
11569.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].text |
我也沒有參加過院長的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].start |
11569.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].end |
11571.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].text |
所以我沒有跟院長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].start |
11571.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].end |
11572.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].text |
你就講經濟部沒有報告就好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].start |
11572.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].end |
11573.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].text |
不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].start |
11573.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].end |
11575.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].text |
好那經濟部沒有報告嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].start |
11575.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].end |
11576.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].text |
是這樣嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].start |
11576.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].end |
11577.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].text |
好OK |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].start |
11577.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].end |
11578.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].text |
好來請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].start |
11578.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].end |
11580.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].text |
來部長我請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].start |
11580.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].end |
11582.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].text |
這一批獨有1300公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].start |
11582.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].end |
11583.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].text |
4月初或5月驗出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].start |
11583.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].end |
11585.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].text |
7月初才封存 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].start |
11585.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].end |
11586.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].text |
請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].start |
11586.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].end |
11589.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].text |
你們在7月17公布這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].start |
11589.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].end |
11592.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].text |
4月到6月中聯所這個流出的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].start |
11592.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].end |
11594.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].text |
有請問有公布批號嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].start |
11594.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].end |
11595.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].text |
他在這些批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].start |
11595.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].end |
11597.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].text |
你們公布了30個批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].start |
11597.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].end |
11598.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].text |
在哪個批號之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].start |
11598.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].end |
11600.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].text |
他沒有做成實用油紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].start |
11600.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].end |
11601.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].text |
所以沒有批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].start |
11601.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].end |
11602.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].text |
不是出貨啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].start |
11602.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].end |
11603.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].text |
他不是出貨嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].start |
11603.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].end |
11604.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].text |
他沒有出貨啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].start |
11606.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].end |
11607.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].text |
他沒有出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].start |
11607.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].end |
11608.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].text |
他就在中聯裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].start |
11608.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].end |
11609.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].text |
沒有出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].start |
11609.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].end |
11610.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].text |
他還在槽裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].start |
11610.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].end |
11612.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].text |
連金鏈都還沒有做啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].start |
11612.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].end |
11614.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].text |
所以他沒有批號啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].start |
11614.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].end |
11616.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].text |
所以今天台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].start |
11616.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].end |
11618.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].text |
是去他的油槽取樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].start |
11618.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].end |
11620.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].text |
他去油槽裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].start |
11620.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].end |
11622.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].text |
把他封了之後取樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].start |
11622.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].end |
11623.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].text |
然後驗了之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].start |
11623.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].end |
11626.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].text |
他超出他的這個驗收標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].start |
11626.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].end |
11627.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].text |
他就不驗收啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].start |
11627.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].end |
11628.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].text |
他不驗收啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].start |
11628.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].end |
11630.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].text |
但是台糖扎扎實實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].start |
11630.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].end |
11634.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].text |
有所掌握14.7這個數字嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].start |
11634.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].end |
11635.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].text |
那食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].start |
11635.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].end |
11637.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].text |
如果多於半成品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].start |
11637.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].end |
11639.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].text |
這個安全有違一律之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].start |
11639.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].end |
11641.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].text |
他就要這個通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].start |
11641.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].end |
11642.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].text |
當地的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].start |
11642.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].end |
11645.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].text |
顯然台糖他就是沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].start |
11645.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].end |
11647.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].text |
或雖然沒有到他這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].start |
11647.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].end |
11649.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].text |
但是他已經是到處去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].start |
11649.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].end |
11651.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].text |
通報的義務是他有沒有超出我們的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].start |
11651.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].end |
11652.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].text |
啊你們的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].start |
11652.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].end |
11653.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].text |
啊法條就有之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].start |
11653.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].end |
11655.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].text |
奇怪你們為什麼要超越法律呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].start |
11655.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].end |
11658.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].text |
你比法大法官還厲害耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].start |
11658.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].end |
11659.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].text |
你不只解釋法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].start |
11659.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].end |
11660.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].text |
你還超越法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].start |
11660.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].end |
11662.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].text |
食品安全衛生法第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].start |
11662.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].end |
11663.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].text |
已經說有危害健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].start |
11663.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].end |
11665.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].text |
有危害衛生有危害安全之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].start |
11665.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].end |
11666.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].text |
至於兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].start |
11666.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].end |
11668.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].text |
有那麼難讀懂嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].start |
11668.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].end |
11669.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].text |
對耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].start |
11669.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].end |
11671.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].text |
你在一個炸豬排的工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].start |
11671.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].end |
11673.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].text |
看到有塊生肉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].start |
11673.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].end |
11674.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].text |
他有細緻的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].start |
11674.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].end |
11676.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].text |
你不要跟我談豬排 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].start |
11676.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].end |
11678.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].text |
豬排根本完全不能夠類比 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].start |
11678.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].end |
11680.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].text |
如果你覺得你的阿東 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].start |
11680.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].end |
11681.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].text |
在這邊不適合被請出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].start |
11681.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].end |
11684.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].text |
你的豬排也不適合在這邊請出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].start |
11684.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].end |
11686.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].text |
那我現在跟這個部長講一句 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].start |
11686.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].end |
11687.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].text |
人民怒吼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].start |
11687.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].end |
11689.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].text |
這是725的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].start |
11689.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].end |
11691.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].text |
如果你們繼續荒腔走板 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].start |
11691.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].end |
11692.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].text |
可能不是人民怒吼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].start |
11692.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].end |
11694.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].text |
我覺得可能就是人民包動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].start |
11694.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].end |
11696.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].text |
那部長我還是要跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].start |
11696.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].end |
11698.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].text |
我最後要做一個總結 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].start |
11699.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].end |
11701.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].text |
他們一直說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].start |
11701.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].end |
11702.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].text |
七條第五項的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].start |
11702.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].end |
11704.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].text |
不包括半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].start |
11704.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].end |
11706.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].text |
所以呢半成品不是石油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].start |
11706.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].end |
11709.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].text |
所以不需要根據第七條第五項來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].start |
11709.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].end |
11710.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].text |
這個通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].start |
11710.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].end |
11711.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].text |
那現在呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].start |
11711.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].end |
11713.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].text |
其實不管是從文藝解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].start |
11713.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].end |
11715.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].text |
目的性解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].start |
11715.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].end |
11716.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].text |
體系解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].start |
11716.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].end |
11718.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].text |
你們自己去看食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].start |
11718.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].end |
11720.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].text |
食安法產品跟食品兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].start |
11720.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].end |
11722.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].text |
是完全混用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].start |
11722.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].end |
11723.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].text |
那所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].start |
11723.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].end |
11724.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].text |
請不要再拿 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].start |
11724.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].end |
11726.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].text |
七條第五項的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].start |
11726.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].end |
11728.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].text |
不包括半成品來做擋箭牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].start |
11728.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].end |
11729.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].text |
擋不住之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].start |
11729.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].end |
11732.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].text |
請不要從之於兩個字上下提手 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].start |
11732.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].end |
11734.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].text |
之於兩個字代表的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].start |
11734.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].end |
11735.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].text |
不用嚴格的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].start |
11735.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].end |
11737.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].text |
所以不要在那邊提什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].start |
11737.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].end |
11738.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].text |
本扁皮怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].start |
11738.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].end |
11740.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].text |
請不要用這個當擋箭牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].start |
11740.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].end |
11741.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].text |
跟遮羞布 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].start |
11741.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].end |
11742.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].text |
以上說明謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].start |
11745.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].end |
11747.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].text |
謝謝邱會議委員的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].start |
11747.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].end |
11749.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].text |
接下來請邱政軍委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].start |
11774.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].end |
11775.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].text |
主席好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].start |
11775.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].end |
11777.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].text |
我們請食部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].start |
11782.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].end |
11783.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].text |
邱會議員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].start |
11783.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].end |
11784.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].text |
部長好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].start |
11784.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].end |
11785.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].text |
我想現在媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].start |
11785.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].end |
11787.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].text |
爆料中這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].start |
11787.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].end |
11789.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].text |
檢調查中聯案的過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].start |
11789.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].end |
11792.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].text |
在Code手機通訊內發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].start |
11792.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].end |
11794.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].text |
有員工在4月份的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].start |
11794.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].end |
11796.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].text |
就已經回報大豆年年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].start |
11796.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].end |
11797.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].text |
怪怪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].start |
11797.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].end |
11799.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].text |
懷疑可以出貨嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].start |
11799.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].end |
11801.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].text |
那這部分很明顯就是原料的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].start |
11801.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].end |
11803.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].text |
你們是不是早就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].start |
11803.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].end |
11804.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].text |
所以一直迴避 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].start |
11804.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].end |
11806.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].text |
其他遊場購買的數量 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].start |
11806.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].end |
11808.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].text |
是害怕牽連太廣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].start |
11809.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].end |
11810.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].text |
一直沒有公布完 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].start |
11811.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].end |
11812.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].text |
不會啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].start |
11812.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].end |
11814.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].text |
我們都有掌握他這個每一個頻道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].start |
11814.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].end |
11815.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].text |
所以你們也調查完了對嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].start |
11815.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].end |
11816.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].start |
11816.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].end |
11817.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].text |
那手上也有完整資料嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].start |
11817.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].end |
11818.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].start |
11818.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].end |
11820.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].text |
那為什麼我要的數據到現在還不給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].start |
11820.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].end |
11822.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].text |
有我已經批了一定會給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].start |
11822.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].end |
11823.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].text |
到現在還沒看到啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].start |
11823.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].end |
11825.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].text |
奇怪我已經看到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].start |
11825.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].end |
11827.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].text |
要供給委員的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].start |
11827.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].end |
11828.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].text |
還是你們現在資料都有帶嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].start |
11829.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].end |
11831.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].text |
不然你們先來寫一寫好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].start |
11831.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].end |
11832.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].start |
11832.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].end |
11833.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].text |
你待會就給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].start |
11833.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].end |
11834.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].text |
我們直通完就給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].start |
11834.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].end |
11835.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].start |
11835.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].end |
11836.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].text |
待會就給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].start |
11836.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].end |
11837.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].text |
已經送過去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].start |
11839.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].end |
11840.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].start |
11844.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].end |
11845.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].text |
你那個處理一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].start |
11846.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].end |
11848.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].text |
不然我再請教你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].start |
11849.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].end |
11853.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].text |
你們放在官網上的新聞稿的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].start |
11853.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].end |
11854.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].text |
真實度有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].start |
11856.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].end |
11857.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].text |
你說是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].start |
11858.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].end |
11861.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].text |
就是專家會議跟公協會的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].start |
11862.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].end |
11863.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].text |
公協會跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].start |
11863.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].end |
11865.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].text |
是你指的是7月4號的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].start |
11865.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].end |
11866.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].text |
對7月4號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].start |
11866.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].end |
11867.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].text |
7月4號的我們下午 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].start |
11867.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].end |
11868.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].text |
有兩場嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].start |
11868.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].end |
11869.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].start |
11870.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].end |
11871.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].text |
我們就會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].start |
11871.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].end |
11872.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].text |
你不講是專家來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].start |
11874.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].end |
11875.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].text |
我沒有出場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].start |
11875.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].end |
11877.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].text |
那署長呢你參加哪一場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].start |
11877.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].end |
11878.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].text |
我兩場都有參加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].start |
11878.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].end |
11879.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].text |
因為是我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].start |
11879.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].end |
11881.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].text |
行政院誰去啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].start |
11883.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].end |
11884.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].text |
拍誰去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].start |
11886.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].end |
11887.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].text |
那去哪一場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].start |
11887.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].end |
11889.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].text |
我是去專家的那一場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].start |
11889.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].end |
11890.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].text |
專家的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].start |
11890.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].end |
11891.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].text |
那兩場的主席是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].start |
11891.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].end |
11892.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].text |
誰記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].start |
11893.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].end |
11894.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].text |
主席是我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].start |
11894.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].end |
11895.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].text |
然後兩場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].start |
11895.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].end |
11897.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].text |
兩場主席都是你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].start |
11897.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].end |
11898.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].text |
對兩場主席是我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].start |
11898.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].end |
11900.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].text |
那食安辦誰去啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].start |
11903.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].end |
11904.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].text |
你去是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].start |
11904.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].end |
11905.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].text |
我對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].start |
11905.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].end |
11906.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].text |
許甫去的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].start |
11906.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].end |
11907.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].text |
你們的新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].start |
11907.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].end |
11909.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].text |
這個專家會議這一場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].start |
11909.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].end |
11910.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].text |
就是兩個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].start |
11910.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].end |
11912.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].text |
一個是釐清可能的污染原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].start |
11912.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].end |
11914.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].text |
還有未來怎麼在避免 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].start |
11914.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].end |
11916.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].text |
再發生管制的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].start |
11916.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].end |
11917.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].text |
管理的機制嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].start |
11917.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].end |
11919.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].text |
剛剛你們說的新聞稿內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].start |
11919.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].end |
11920.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].text |
都是真實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].start |
11920.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].end |
11921.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].text |
那就表示專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].start |
11921.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].end |
11923.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].text |
沒有討論20%的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].start |
11923.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].end |
11924.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].start |
11925.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].end |
11926.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].text |
有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].start |
11926.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].end |
11928.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].text |
剛才都已經有做完整的說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].start |
11928.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].end |
11929.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].text |
什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].start |
11929.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].end |
11930.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].text |
分為兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].start |
11930.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].end |
11932.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].text |
因為之前沒有特別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].start |
11932.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].end |
11933.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].text |
有機會跟大家公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].start |
11933.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].end |
11935.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].text |
因為今天也做了說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].start |
11935.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].end |
11936.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].text |
所以第一個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].start |
11936.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].end |
11939.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].text |
中聯一開始的7月4號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].start |
11939.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].end |
11941.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].text |
那個瞬間其實只有一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].start |
11941.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].end |
11942.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].text |
原因不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].start |
11942.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].end |
11943.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].text |
所以是你拍板嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].start |
11943.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].end |
11944.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].text |
是專家拍板 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].start |
11944.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].end |
11947.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].text |
接下來呢是專家會議裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].start |
11947.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].end |
11948.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].text |
第二個議題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].start |
11948.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].end |
11949.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].text |
因為我們用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].start |
11950.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].end |
11951.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].text |
下架的一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].start |
11952.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].end |
11954.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].text |
2 ppb這麼嚴格的油脂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].start |
11954.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].end |
11956.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].text |
我們歐盟韓國都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].start |
11956.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].end |
11958.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].text |
所以韓國跟歐盟呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].start |
11958.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].end |
11960.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].text |
針對這個油品違規的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].start |
11960.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].end |
11962.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].text |
也是下架到第一層 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].start |
11962.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].end |
11964.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].text |
針對第二層是否要下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].start |
11964.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].end |
11965.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].text |
判斷的基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].start |
11965.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].end |
11967.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].text |
其實跟我們面對的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].start |
11967.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].end |
11970.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].text |
扁平皮8.1 ppb的標準是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].start |
11970.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].end |
11972.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].text |
所以底下的產品是什麼樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].start |
11972.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].end |
11974.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].text |
所以才會出現20% |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].start |
11974.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].end |
11975.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].text |
所以那一場20%是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].start |
11975.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].end |
11976.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].text |
是你們專家這一場還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].start |
11976.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].end |
11978.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].text |
在專家會議這場裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].start |
11978.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].end |
11979.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].text |
針對這個內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].start |
11979.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].end |
11981.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].text |
做了非常完整的討論之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].start |
11981.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].end |
11983.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].text |
因為第一層下架之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].start |
11983.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].end |
11986.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].text |
有沒有可能會沒有涵蓋到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].start |
11986.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].end |
11989.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].text |
超過我們所謂的2 ppb的一個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].start |
11989.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].end |
11991.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].text |
所以大家開始在討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].start |
11991.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].end |
11994.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].text |
許多專家提到的確在2 ppb裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].start |
11994.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].end |
11996.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].text |
如果用的油脂的反應是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].start |
11996.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].end |
11997.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].text |
超過20% |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].start |
11997.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].end |
11998.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].text |
市長主你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].start |
11998.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].end |
11999.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].text |
你邀請了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].start |
11999.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].end |
12002.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].text |
14個食品產業相關公會的這一場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].start |
12002.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].end |
12005.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].text |
新聞稿說召開這場的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].start |
12005.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].end |
12007.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].text |
是為了降低事件對消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].start |
12007.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].end |
12009.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].text |
及下游業者的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].start |
12009.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].end |
12012.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].text |
那你們邀請了14個食品產業公會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].start |
12012.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].end |
12013.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].text |
對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].start |
12013.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].end |
12015.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].text |
代表下游業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].start |
12015.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].end |
12017.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].text |
跟委員說報告一下這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].start |
12017.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].end |
12019.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].text |
是不是你不要講那麼複雜是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].start |
12019.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].end |
12022.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].text |
我說這個這麼14個產業裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].start |
12022.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].end |
12024.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].text |
相對都食品相關產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].start |
12024.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].end |
12026.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].text |
我們先對的油品事件裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].start |
12026.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].end |
12028.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].text |
一定會對產業衝擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].start |
12028.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].end |
12031.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].text |
我們說明我們現在第一層下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].start |
12031.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].end |
12033.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].text |
以及剛才講20%可能會成為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].start |
12033.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].end |
12035.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].text |
我們建議部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].start |
12035.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].end |
12037.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].text |
你先我不是要問你這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].start |
12037.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].end |
12038.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].text |
你不要亂講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].start |
12038.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].end |
12040.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].text |
我現在問你你回答就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].start |
12040.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].end |
12043.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].text |
那代表下游業者請問代表消費者的是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].start |
12043.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].end |
12044.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].text |
有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].start |
12046.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].end |
12047.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].start |
12047.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].end |
12050.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].text |
我要把14個公協會確定一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].start |
12050.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].end |
12053.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].text |
這個公協會來嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].start |
12053.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].end |
12054.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].text |
那這些都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].start |
12054.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].end |
12056.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].text |
這是食品公會啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].start |
12056.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].end |
12058.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].text |
對不對那代表消費者是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].start |
12058.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].end |
12059.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].start |
12059.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].end |
12061.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].text |
我這邊要回去再確認一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].start |
12061.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].end |
12063.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].text |
可能消費者的溝通我們可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].start |
12063.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].end |
12064.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].text |
我來問你好了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].start |
12064.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].end |
12065.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].text |
一個一個問啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].start |
12068.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].end |
12074.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].text |
這個台灣植物油漬電工業同業公會有去嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].start |
12074.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].end |
12076.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].text |
我預想中是有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].start |
12076.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].end |
12078.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].text |
好勾起來喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].start |
12078.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].end |
12081.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].text |
那台灣烘培油紙工業同業公會有去嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].start |
12081.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].end |
12084.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].text |
我這邊可不可以請我們同仁們來14個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].start |
12084.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].end |
12086.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].text |
待會唸給委員們聽一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].start |
12086.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].end |
12088.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].text |
我講確定一下那個整個14個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].start |
12088.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].end |
12090.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].text |
好啦我這邊勾一勾啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].start |
12090.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].end |
12092.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].text |
我這邊有資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].start |
12092.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].end |
12094.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].text |
請募拿過去再勾一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].start |
12094.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].end |
12096.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].text |
我繼續問啦他們勾他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].start |
12098.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].end |
12100.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].text |
那你現在我跟你講喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].start |
12100.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].end |
12104.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].text |
就是說你們把這個公協會找去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].start |
12104.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].end |
12106.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].text |
消費者又把它放一邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].start |
12106.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].end |
12109.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].text |
那這些公會他們是討論他們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].start |
12109.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].end |
12113.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].text |
讓業者的損失怎麼樣降到最低是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].start |
12113.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].end |
12114.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].text |
不是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].start |
12114.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].end |
12117.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].text |
還是把消費者當作白老鼠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].start |
12117.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].end |
12119.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].text |
反正他們幾家14家去決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].start |
12119.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].end |
12121.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].text |
你有問過消費者嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].start |
12121.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].end |
12125.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].text |
對對這是專家會議之後的來開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].start |
12125.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].end |
12127.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].text |
因為會對產業的衝擊他們必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].start |
12127.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].end |
12130.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].text |
要去做因應第一橫他要配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].start |
12130.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].end |
12131.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].text |
所以這個階段裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].start |
12131.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].end |
12134.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].text |
如果當天會議室裡面只有業者代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].start |
12134.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].end |
12136.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].text |
沒有半個消費者代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].start |
12136.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].end |
12138.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].text |
我們院長最後拍板的20%門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].start |
12138.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].end |
12140.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].text |
到底平衡了誰的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].start |
12140.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].end |
12142.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].text |
你拍板的啊那你平衡了誰的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].start |
12142.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].end |
12146.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].text |
我想這個20%在決策的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].start |
12146.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].end |
12149.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].text |
其實做了非常完整的科學上面的分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].start |
12149.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].end |
12151.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].text |
跟推論跟技術上面的一個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].start |
12151.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].end |
12154.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].text |
確定這樣子對民眾的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].start |
12154.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].end |
12156.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].text |
可以得到實質的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].start |
12156.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].end |
12158.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].text |
這個工協會議討論的結論是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].start |
12159.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].end |
12161.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].text |
實質的工協會裡面我們只說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].start |
12161.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].end |
12165.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].text |
我們對於低層下架對產業裡面可能的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].start |
12165.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].end |
12168.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].text |
你們要回去因應去了解可能有品的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].start |
12168.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].end |
12171.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].text |
會有遇到什麼問題需要大家能夠配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].start |
12171.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].end |
12175.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].text |
避免現在有違規的有品造成民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].start |
12175.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].end |
12177.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].text |
持續加重他們的受傷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].start |
12177.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].end |
12180.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].text |
所以我們就是提到了現在8.1PPP |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].start |
12180.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].end |
12183.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].text |
這一批的緣由我們確定在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].start |
12183.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].end |
12186.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].text |
是中年產生4月4號的這一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].start |
12186.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].end |
12190.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].text |
我先不講我現在就講說你這些業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].start |
12190.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].end |
12192.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].text |
去誰代表消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].start |
12192.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].end |
12193.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].text |
有沒有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].start |
12193.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].end |
12194.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].text |
有沒有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].start |
12194.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].end |
12197.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].text |
有沒有人代表消費者去開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].start |
12197.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].end |
12200.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].text |
我說業者同時都是每個都是消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].start |
12200.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].end |
12202.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].text |
彼此之間都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].start |
12202.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].end |
12204.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].text |
所以我這邊特別提到講什麼話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].start |
12204.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].end |
12206.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].text |
他們業者全部都是消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].start |
12206.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].end |
12208.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].text |
我說每個人都是消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].start |
12208.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].end |
12210.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].text |
我針對的是他們就是成員兼排班 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].start |
12210.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].end |
12211.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].text |
不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].start |
12211.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].end |
12214.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].text |
他們決定的事情可以做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].start |
12214.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].end |
12216.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].text |
你們把消費者放在哪邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].start |
12217.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].end |
12221.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].text |
就幾個幾個業者來決定說我們民眾的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].start |
12221.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].end |
12222.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].text |
他們沒有決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].start |
12222.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].end |
12224.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].text |
這我們誤會了這沒有決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].start |
12224.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].end |
12225.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].text |
那你就要來開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].start |
12225.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].end |
12226.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].text |
這是另外一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].start |
12226.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].end |
12230.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].text |
你是開什麼去幫業者減少這個增加營收減少損失嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].start |
12231.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].end |
12232.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].text |
跟委員補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].start |
12232.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].end |
12235.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].text |
那其實他這個會議是在專家會議之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].start |
12235.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].end |
12239.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].text |
所以是把專家會議的所做出來的下架的決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].start |
12239.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].end |
12245.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].text |
如果沒有消費者就是能夠全國人民的安全健康去跟業者做交換 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].start |
12247.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].end |
12250.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].text |
這個會議是在專家會議之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].start |
12250.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].end |
12253.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].text |
然後把專家會議的決議的這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].start |
12253.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].end |
12255.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].text |
來跟業者請他們回去配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].start |
12256.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].end |
12258.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].text |
這是要業者回去配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].start |
12258.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].end |
12266.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].text |
你們到底什麼時候知道中原油脂的311跟301脫膠油槽的出事情了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].start |
12266.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].end |
12267.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].text |
你什麼時候知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].start |
12268.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].end |
12271.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].text |
就是這個台糖沒有收的這個311油槽 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].start |
12271.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].end |
12275.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].text |
這個是在後面7月1號要求他停工 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].start |
12275.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].end |
12277.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].text |
然後後面的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].start |
12277.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].end |
12279.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].text |
4月天就發現你們7月才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].start |
12280.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].end |
12282.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].start |
12281.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].end |
12283.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].text |
你們7月才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].start |
12283.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].end |
12286.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].text |
因為6月30號中聯才通報我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].start |
12286.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].end |
12290.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].text |
所以我們是從7月1號開始去茶場介入的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].start |
12290.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].end |
12296.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].text |
7月17日調查小組的會前會就已經精準點名了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].start |
12296.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].end |
12298.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].text |
指定要看這兩個油槽 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].start |
12298.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].end |
12302.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].text |
代表你們最慢在7月17號以前就一清二楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].start |
12302.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].end |
12305.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].text |
那既然掌握了311跟301有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].start |
12305.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].end |
12309.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].text |
為什麼7月27號食藥署大張旗鼓開記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].start |
12309.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].end |
12313.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].text |
卻對台糖5月就驗出311油槽超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].start |
12313.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].end |
12317.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].text |
私下改收301油槽這件事情隻字未提 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].start |
12317.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].end |
12320.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].text |
那標槽報告為什麼刻意留在台糖這一段 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].start |
12320.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].end |
12322.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].text |
你們到底在幫誰遮醜 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].start |
12322.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].end |
12324.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].text |
跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].start |
12324.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].end |
12328.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].text |
我們針對現在在台糖的311油槽 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].start |
12328.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].end |
12331.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].text |
其實還1100多公噸其實都一直都在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].start |
12331.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].end |
12335.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].text |
那這個跟我們現在食藥署在管食品的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].start |
12335.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].end |
12337.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].text |
如果沒有台中地院的裁定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].start |
12337.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].end |
12340.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].text |
這個機壓廠長報出台糖5月之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].start |
12340.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].end |
12342.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].text |
內湖部是不是打算把311油槽 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].start |
12342.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].end |
12344.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].text |
有毒的真相隱瞞一輩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].start |
12344.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].end |
12346.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].text |
沒有 跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].start |
12346.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].end |
12349.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].text |
我們針對的是他已經完成製程的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].start |
12349.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].end |
12353.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].text |
食用油比30批我們全部都查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].start |
12353.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].end |
12359.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].text |
他這個不是 他這個是做到一半的脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].start |
12359.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].end |
12361.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].text |
311油槽是缺油以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].start |
12361.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].end |
12364.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].text |
食用署去查廠的時候就封了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].start |
12365.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].end |
12368.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].text |
就是7月1號就已經全面停工 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].start |
12368.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].end |
12370.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].text |
所以他就不能動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].start |
12370.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].end |
12372.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].text |
7月1號就已經全面停工 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].start |
12372.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].end |
12374.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].text |
所以他根本沒有在製造油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].start |
12374.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].end |
12380.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].text |
對啦 油槽的裁減檢體的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].start |
12380.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].end |
12382.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].text |
311油槽就已經先動過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].start |
12382.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].end |
12384.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].text |
這個做過遷封了嘛 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].start |
12384.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].end |
12385.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].text |
那我想請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].start |
12385.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].end |
12388.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].text |
當你們食藥署真正趕到現場的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].start |
12388.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].end |
12390.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].text |
這311油槽 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].start |
12390.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].end |
12392.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].text |
長什麼樣子 這個遷封還在不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].start |
12394.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].end |
12397.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].text |
這個跟委員報告都在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].start |
12397.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].end |
12399.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].text |
可以去看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].start |
12399.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].end |
12404.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].text |
有沒有當時搜證的照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].start |
12404.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].end |
12407.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].text |
那個油也沒有改變位置 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].start |
12407.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].end |
12409.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].text |
那個槽也沒改變位置 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].start |
12409.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].end |
12411.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].text |
那個蔡副總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].start |
12421.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].end |
12423.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].text |
你有這個遷封的照片嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].start |
12424.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].end |
12426.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].text |
遷封的照片我們在當初在驗收的時候有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].start |
12428.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].end |
12429.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].text |
那你可以提供嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].start |
12429.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].end |
12431.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].text |
沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].start |
12431.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].end |
12435.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].text |
為什麼你們在7月21號公布30匹油的檢驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].start |
12435.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].end |
12437.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].text |
還大言不慚的說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].start |
12437.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].end |
12439.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].text |
全部查驗完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].start |
12439.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].end |
12441.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].text |
而且還一直告訴大家可以上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].start |
12441.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].end |
12444.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].text |
那份清單裡面完全沒有提到311 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].start |
12444.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].end |
12445.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].text |
連301都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].start |
12445.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].end |
12448.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].text |
你是不是打算用脫膠油跟成品油不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].start |
12448.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].end |
12452.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].text |
所以不在這個清單內來這樣告訴我們民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].start |
12452.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].end |
12454.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].text |
因為它就不是成品了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].start |
12454.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].end |
12457.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].text |
它是做到一半的東西都已經停下來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].start |
12457.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].end |
12460.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].text |
我們是30匹的匹號通通很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].start |
12460.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].end |
12465.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].text |
那個是會要變成市場的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].start |
12465.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].end |
12467.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].text |
你知道有問題為什麼不列進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].start |
12467.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].end |
12469.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].text |
因為它就不是食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].start |
12469.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].end |
12472.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].text |
它不是食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].start |
12472.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].end |
12474.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].text |
它可以做其他的用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].start |
12474.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].end |
12476.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].text |
它為什麼不列可以做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].start |
12476.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].end |
12478.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].text |
它可以做肥皂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].start |
12478.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].end |
12479.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].text |
它可以做工業用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].start |
12479.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].end |
12481.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].text |
你這個油拿去是做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].start |
12483.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].end |
12485.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].text |
脫膠油拿去做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].start |
12485.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].end |
12488.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].text |
我說你們去買的油是做什麼用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].start |
12488.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].end |
12490.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].text |
做沙拉油精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].start |
12490.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].end |
12492.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].text |
精煉成沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].start |
12493.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].end |
12495.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].text |
什麼叫做肥皂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].start |
12495.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].end |
12496.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].text |
胡說八道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].start |
12496.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].end |
12497.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].text |
它就沒有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].start |
12497.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].end |
12499.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].text |
它拉去明明就沒有要做這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].start |
12499.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].end |
12500.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].text |
它可以去做其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].start |
12500.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].end |
12502.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].text |
你不要講這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].start |
12502.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].end |
12503.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].text |
你講的廢話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].start |
12503.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].end |
12504.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].text |
它是做油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].start |
12504.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].end |
12506.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].text |
它當然就沒有做肥皂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].start |
12506.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].end |
12508.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].text |
它怎麼會買油去做肥皂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].start |
12508.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].end |
12509.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].start |
12509.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].end |
12511.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].text |
它們拿去就是要做沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].start |
12511.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].end |
12512.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].text |
脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].start |
12512.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].end |
12513.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].text |
它有脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].start |
12513.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].end |
12515.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].text |
拿去就是要做沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].start |
12515.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].end |
12518.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].text |
它們招標的時候也是說要做沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].start |
12518.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].end |
12519.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].text |
就是食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].start |
12521.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].end |
12524.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].text |
脫膠原油不是食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].start |
12524.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].end |
12526.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].text |
那是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].start |
12526.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].end |
12528.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].text |
它拿去就是要做這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].start |
12528.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].end |
12529.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].text |
它當然要塗這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].start |
12529.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].end |
12533.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].text |
不然它為什麼不拉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].start |
12533.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].end |
12534.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].start |
12534.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].end |
12535.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].text |
如果可以用它為什麼不拉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].start |
12538.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].end |
12539.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].start |
12539.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].end |
12541.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].text |
你們食藥署跟地方衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].start |
12541.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].end |
12543.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].text |
一直追查全部都是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].start |
12543.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].end |
12545.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].text |
市面上的這個成品沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].start |
12545.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].end |
12547.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].text |
但從現在漏洞看來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].start |
12547.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].end |
12549.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].text |
市面上受害的規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].start |
12549.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].end |
12550.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].text |
自來油的實際數量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].start |
12550.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].end |
12553.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].text |
根本遠超過你們對外公布的數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].start |
12553.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].end |
12555.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].text |
我真的完全不指 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].start |
12556.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].end |
12557.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].text |
是你們口中說的那樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].start |
12557.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].end |
12559.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].text |
完全讓人家聽不懂也看不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].start |
12559.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].end |
12562.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].text |
因為它沒有流出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].start |
12562.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].end |
12563.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].text |
它還是留在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].start |
12563.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].end |
12564.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].text |
所以它沒有流出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].start |
12564.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].end |
12566.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].text |
它沒有做成產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].start |
12567.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].end |
12569.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].text |
那個台糖那個菜父我再問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].start |
12571.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].end |
12574.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].text |
你因為台中地檢署裁定出這個揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].start |
12574.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].end |
12576.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].text |
我們才知道台糖在5月11號 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].start |
12576.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].end |
12579.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].text |
派員到中聯311油槽取樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].start |
12579.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].end |
12581.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].text |
送這個檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].start |
12581.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].end |
12585.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].text |
後來15日報告本田比14.PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].start |
12585.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].end |
12587.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].text |
標準才2PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].start |
12587.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].end |
12589.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].text |
那超過7倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].start |
12589.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].end |
12590.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].text |
那台糖在5月18號 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].start |
12590.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].end |
12592.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].text |
正式通知福茂聚收 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].start |
12592.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].end |
12594.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].text |
那菜父總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].start |
12594.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].end |
12595.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].text |
你5月15號報告出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].start |
12595.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].end |
12597.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].text |
台糖內部是誰決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].start |
12597.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].end |
12599.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].text |
把這份報告壓下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].start |
12599.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].end |
12600.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].text |
製作商業推貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].start |
12602.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].end |
12604.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].text |
我們報告不會壓下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].start |
12604.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].end |
12606.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].text |
那為什麼不通吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].start |
12606.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].end |
12608.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].text |
我們送驗之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].start |
12608.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].end |
12611.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].text |
它是超過我們招標的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].start |
12611.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].end |
12613.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].text |
所以我們就聚收啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].start |
12613.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].end |
12615.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].text |
那你為什麼不通報咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].start |
12616.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].end |
12618.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].text |
經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].start |
12618.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].end |
12620.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].text |
這個連中聯都不需要通報啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].start |
12620.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].end |
12622.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].text |
來你先不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].start |
12622.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].end |
12624.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].text |
你繼續講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].start |
12625.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].end |
12627.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].text |
那個連中聯都不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].start |
12627.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].end |
12629.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].text |
因為它這個不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].start |
12629.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].end |
12631.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].text |
來來來來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].start |
12631.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].end |
12632.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].text |
你回答一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].start |
12632.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].end |
12634.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].text |
有沒有要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].start |
12634.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].end |
12635.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].text |
我先 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].start |
12635.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].end |
12638.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].text |
依照台中地方法院的這個新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].start |
12638.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].end |
12641.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].text |
福茂他必須要有這個通報的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].start |
12641.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].end |
12642.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].text |
連中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].start |
12642.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].end |
12643.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].text |
那台糖咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].start |
12644.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].end |
12646.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].text |
因為台糖的話它基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].start |
12647.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].end |
12649.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].text |
311油炒裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].start |
12649.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].end |
12651.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].text |
所謂的出油的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].start |
12651.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].end |
12654.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].text |
始終沒有進入到台糖的生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].start |
12654.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].end |
12655.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].text |
經濟部啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].start |
12655.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].end |
12656.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].text |
就沒有與說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].start |
12656.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].end |
12658.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].text |
經濟部定有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].start |
12658.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].end |
12660.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].text |
災害及緊急事件通報程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].start |
12660.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].end |
12662.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].text |
裡面寫的很清楚啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].start |
12662.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].end |
12665.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].text |
凡是經濟部所屬的事業體發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].start |
12665.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].end |
12667.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].text |
只要滿足 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].start |
12667.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].end |
12669.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].text |
影響民生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].start |
12669.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].end |
12671.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].text |
影響上下有產業工序 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].start |
12671.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].end |
12673.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].text |
影響事業形象 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].start |
12673.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].end |
12675.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].text |
或者可能引起媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].start |
12675.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].end |
12677.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].text |
報導的任何一項都必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].start |
12677.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].end |
12679.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].text |
啟動通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].start |
12679.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].end |
12681.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].text |
台糖是國營事業吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].start |
12683.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].end |
12686.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].text |
第一個台糖公司針對它生產的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].start |
12686.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].end |
12688.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].text |
比如說大道殺油的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].start |
12688.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].end |
12691.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].text |
無論是在它製程的過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].start |
12691.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].end |
12693.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].text |
它自主的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].start |
12693.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].end |
12695.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].text |
它已經影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].start |
12695.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].end |
12697.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].text |
它要去收的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].start |
12697.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].end |
12699.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].text |
已經影響上下有產業工序 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].start |
12699.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].end |
12701.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].text |
怎麼會沒有影響呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].start |
12701.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].end |
12703.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].text |
第二個部分你剛剛講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].start |
12703.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].end |
12705.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].text |
我們是依照這個災防法的一個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].start |
12705.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].end |
12707.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].text |
去訂定相關的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].start |
12707.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].end |
12709.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].text |
所謂的作業規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].start |
12709.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].end |
12711.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].text |
這個是依照災害防救法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].start |
12711.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].end |
12715.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].text |
現在是全台最大油著上游 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].start |
12715.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].end |
12719.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].text |
中年的油潮驗出致癌物超過7倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].start |
12719.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].end |
12721.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].text |
這沒有影響民生嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].start |
12721.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].end |
12723.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].text |
這不嚴重嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].start |
12723.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].end |
12725.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].text |
在做審理之中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].start |
12725.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].end |
12727.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].text |
而台中地檢署它也多次的表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].start |
12727.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].end |
12729.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].text |
我現在為你經濟部的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].start |
12730.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].end |
12732.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].text |
沒有,我們是災防法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].start |
12733.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].end |
12735.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].text |
你講到台中去幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].start |
12735.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].end |
12737.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].text |
這個是食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].start |
12738.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].end |
12740.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].text |
這也一樣啊,這沒有影響嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].start |
12740.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].end |
12742.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].text |
這沒有影響民生嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].start |
12742.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].end |
12744.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].text |
這沒有影響上下有產業工序嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].start |
12744.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].end |
12746.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].text |
今天比如說是像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].start |
12746.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].end |
12748.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].text |
所謂的漏水啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].start |
12748.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].end |
12750.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].text |
或是有一些可能影響我們民眾用水的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].start |
12750.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].end |
12752.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].text |
的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].start |
12752.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].end |
12754.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].text |
它會通報啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].start |
12754.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].end |
12756.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].text |
依照這個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].start |
12756.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].end |
12758.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].text |
我現在問的是台糖耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].start |
12758.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].end |
12760.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].text |
台糖不是你國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].start |
12760.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].end |
12762.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].text |
台糖當然是國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].start |
12762.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].end |
12764.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].text |
國營事業只要負責有關於西埃的事業體發生事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].start |
12764.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].end |
12766.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].start |
12766.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].end |
12768.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].text |
有關於西埃的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].start |
12768.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].end |
12770.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].text |
它透過災害防救法集中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].start |
12770.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].end |
12772.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].text |
決定不要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].start |
12772.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].end |
12774.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].text |
現在就勇敢回答啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].start |
12774.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].end |
12776.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].text |
從年頭到人民吃下肚子以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].start |
12776.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].end |
12778.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].text |
上千項產品都被影響了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].start |
12778.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].end |
12780.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].text |
怎麼會沒影響呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].start |
12780.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].end |
12782.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].text |
有沒有影響上下有產業工序 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].start |
12782.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].end |
12784.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].text |
會不會影響人民健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].start |
12784.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].end |
12786.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].text |
沒有影響台糖形象嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].start |
12786.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].end |
12788.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].text |
企業的出售方跟福茂有通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].start |
12788.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].end |
12790.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].text |
這幾天啊,你們都是媒體追逐的焦點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].start |
12790.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].end |
12792.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].text |
法院也判決說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].start |
12792.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].end |
12794.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].text |
這事項指標完全滿足 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].start |
12795.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].end |
12797.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].text |
台糖社會經濟部下轄的國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].start |
12797.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].end |
12799.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].text |
帶頭違反經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].start |
12799.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].end |
12801.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].text |
自己的災害通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].start |
12801.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].end |
12803.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].text |
這個程序,瞞了兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].start |
12803.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].end |
12805.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].text |
經濟部到現在還沒有懲處耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].start |
12805.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].end |
12807.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].text |
竟然還連續發文幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].start |
12807.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].end |
12809.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].text |
大喜地說大讚台糖是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].start |
12809.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].end |
12811.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].text |
這個好寶寶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].start |
12811.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].end |
12813.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].text |
好厲害,很棒棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].start |
12813.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].end |
12815.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].text |
是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].start |
12815.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].end |
12817.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].text |
經濟部對我們國營事業平時 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].start |
12818.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].end |
12820.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].text |
都有定期的實地查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].start |
12820.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].end |
12822.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].text |
然後年終有一個查核的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].start |
12822.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].end |
12824.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].text |
這個工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].start |
12824.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].end |
12826.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].text |
所以基本上我們對國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].start |
12826.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].end |
12828.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].text |
基本上都導的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].start |
12828.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].end |
12830.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].text |
高檢署檢察官都已經講了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].start |
12830.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].end |
12832.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].text |
通報是一律啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].start |
12832.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].end |
12834.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].text |
所以你們不要再拗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].start |
12834.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].end |
12836.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].start |
12836.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].end |
12838.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].text |
通報的責任啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].start |
12838.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].end |
12840.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].text |
本來就應該要通報啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].start |
12840.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].end |
12842.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].text |
你放在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].start |
12842.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].end |
12844.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].text |
你已經驗到有這個東西,你不往上通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].start |
12845.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].end |
12847.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].text |
可是他今天這個材料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].start |
12847.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].end |
12849.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].text |
當然台糖不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].start |
12849.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].end |
12851.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].text |
台糖的錯不是很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].start |
12851.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].end |
12853.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].text |
沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].start |
12853.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].end |
12855.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].text |
最後如果錯還是這個中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].start |
12855.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].end |
12857.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].text |
台糖應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].start |
12857.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].end |
12859.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].text |
你應該要扮起 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].start |
12859.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].end |
12861.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].text |
扮起一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].start |
12861.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].end |
12863.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].text |
這個業者的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].start |
12863.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].end |
12865.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].text |
基本的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].start |
12865.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].end |
12867.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].text |
太突兀了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].start |
12867.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].end |
12871.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].text |
這個材料沒有進入到台糖的這個制程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].start |
12871.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].end |
12873.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].text |
之前他可以販售到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].start |
12873.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].end |
12875.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].text |
比如說工業的添加劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].start |
12875.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].end |
12877.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].text |
包括潤滑油包括肥皂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].start |
12877.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].end |
12879.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].text |
所以中聯公司他可以賣去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].start |
12879.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].end |
12881.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].text |
最後我再問你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].start |
12881.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].end |
12883.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].text |
但是回到食品安全的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].start |
12883.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].end |
12885.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].text |
台糖公司依照依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].start |
12885.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].end |
12887.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].text |
你們的標案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].start |
12887.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].end |
12889.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].text |
今年台糖在5月13日公告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].start |
12889.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].end |
12891.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].text |
CO115黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].start |
12891.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].end |
12893.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].text |
出油採購案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].start |
12893.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].end |
12895.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].text |
那5月13日公告當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].start |
12895.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].end |
12897.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].text |
台糖確實還沒有拿到那超標的7倍報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].start |
12897.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].end |
12901.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].text |
但是台糖在5月15日已經收到檢驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].start |
12901.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].end |
12903.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].text |
那確認中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].start |
12903.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].end |
12905.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].text |
311油槽的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].start |
12905.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].end |
12907.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].text |
獨有本年比的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].start |
12907.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].end |
12909.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].text |
高達14.7ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].start |
12909.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].end |
12911.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].text |
超標過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].start |
12911.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].end |
12913.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].text |
這個超過7倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].start |
12913.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].end |
12915.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].text |
那在5月18號通知據說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].start |
12915.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].end |
12919.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].text |
那這個CO115標案的投標截止日是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].start |
12919.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].end |
12921.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].text |
5月25日 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].start |
12921.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].end |
12923.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].text |
從5月15到25號 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].start |
12923.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].end |
12925.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].text |
25號有10天 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].start |
12925.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].end |
12927.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].text |
那中聯油紙是國內大型油紙的上游 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].start |
12927.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].end |
12933.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].text |
那福茂更是與此標案有高度的相關的供應商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].start |
12933.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].end |
12937.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].text |
那台糖在辦理這個優關民生十三重大的採購案期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].start |
12937.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].end |
12939.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].text |
已經驗出了這個上游供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].start |
12939.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].end |
12941.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].text |
這個製程失控 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].start |
12941.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].end |
12943.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].text |
獨數超標7倍的致命訊號 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].start |
12943.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].end |
12945.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].text |
整整10天喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].start |
12945.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].end |
12949.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].text |
那台糖為什麼沒有暫停這個資格審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].start |
12952.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].end |
12958.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].text |
所有的這個資格審查的部分是發生在這個更早之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].start |
12958.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].end |
12960.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].text |
但是現在它有產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].start |
12960.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].end |
12962.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].text |
它不需要提供到台糖的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].start |
12962.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].end |
12966.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].text |
那你有沒有把這項重大供應風險納入審查這個項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].start |
12966.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].end |
12968.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].text |
台糖的這個允收的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].start |
12968.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].end |
12972.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].text |
除了我們剛剛一直在談的本年比之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].start |
12972.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].end |
12974.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].text |
還有很多的一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].start |
12974.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].end |
12976.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].text |
比如說是點啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].start |
12976.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].end |
12978.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].text |
它現在是這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].start |
12978.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].end |
12980.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].text |
它這家有公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].start |
12980.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].end |
12982.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].text |
你們還繼續讓它做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].start |
12982.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].end |
12984.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].text |
你還繼續讓它做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].start |
12985.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].end |
12987.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].text |
透過中央跟地方角合作的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].start |
12989.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].end |
12991.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].text |
特別是像中聯這個市佔率這麼大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].start |
12991.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].end |
12995.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].text |
所謂的所謂的有品的這個提供的這個廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].start |
12996.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].end |
12998.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].text |
在地方的政府可以加強的稽查之下的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].start |
12998.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].end |
13002.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].text |
事實上它這個不合格的這個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].start |
13003.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].end |
13005.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].text |
產生的這個機率就會大幅的降低了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].start |
13006.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].end |
13010.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].text |
那CO015全部申請投標的廠商有哪些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].start |
13011.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].end |
13013.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].text |
審查合格的有哪些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].start |
13013.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].end |
13015.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].text |
你再提供給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].start |
13015.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].end |
13017.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].text |
有九家廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].start |
13017.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].end |
13021.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].text |
好那你把這個得標的資格我們看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].start |
13021.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].end |
13023.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].text |
那過去福壽跟泰山這個得標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].start |
13023.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].end |
13025.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].text |
跟這次福茂一樣得標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].start |
13025.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].end |
13029.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].text |
你們都是去中聯去拉貨嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].start |
13029.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].end |
13031.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].text |
拉油嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].start |
13030.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].end |
13032.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].text |
一年買幾個億幾個億的買 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].start |
13033.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].end |
13035.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].text |
那現在這一家出問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].start |
13035.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].end |
13037.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].text |
你們沒有替代方案嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].start |
13038.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].end |
13040.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].text |
還要繼續在那邊買嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].start |
13040.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].end |
13042.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].text |
有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].start |
13041.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].end |
13043.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].text |
材料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].start |
13042.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].end |
13044.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].text |
不符合營收標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].start |
13044.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].end |
13046.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].text |
台糖不會進入到炭熱廠區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].start |
13047.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].end |
13049.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].text |
有沒有依政府採購法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].start |
13049.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].end |
13051.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].text |
一律一條來審理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].start |
13051.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].end |
13053.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].text |
將福茂提報為不良廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].start |
13053.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].end |
13055.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].text |
有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].start |
13055.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].end |
13057.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].text |
這個採購的這個部分請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].start |
13058.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].end |
13062.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].text |
這個台糖公司會依照法的規定來辦理 |
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我們會再研究 |
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你現在還沒有決定就對了 |
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那如果繼續買呢 |
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因為 |
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所有的為合乎資格的部分 |
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我們不提領 |
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但是他提供的部分 |
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13078.34 |
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合乎我們契約的營收標準 |
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13080.34 |
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那這個台糖公司會收 |
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13080.34 |
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我覺得你們要列入考量啦 |
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13084.34 |
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這些有問題的業者 |
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13084.34 |
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13086.34 |
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你們在資格審查的時候 |
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13086.34 |
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13088.34 |
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一定要做一個區隔 |
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13088.34 |
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13090.34 |
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好不好再做嚴格的審查可以嗎 |
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13092.34 |
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好謝謝委員指導 |
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13094.42 |
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13096.42 |
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好謝謝委員 |
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13099.3 |
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13101.3 |
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好謝謝邱政經委員 |
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13101.3 |
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13103.3 |
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那這邊宣告一下 |
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待會在劉建國委員 |
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13105.3 |
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13107.3 |
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巡達完畢休息30分鐘 |
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13107.3 |
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用餐 |
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13111.3 |
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休息以後我們繼續來開會 |
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13111.3 |
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13113.3 |
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那我們請下一位 |
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13113.3 |
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我們黃秀芳委員 |
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13120.53 |
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13122.53 |
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謝謝主席我們先請部長 |
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13124.11 |
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13126.11 |
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好請司部長 |
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13129.95 |
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黃秀芳委員好 |
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13129.95 |
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13131.95 |
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部長從上午到現在 |
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其實我也覺得你解釋的很辛苦 |
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那我也希望就是說 |
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這個民眾的疑慮 |
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13137.95 |
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13139.95 |
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能夠一次講清楚 |
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那今天早上提出來的 |
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13143.95 |
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這個臨時提案該公佈的 |
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13143.95 |
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13145.95 |
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你就是要完整的公佈 |
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13145.95 |
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13147.95 |
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這個是應該就是第一次 |
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13147.95 |
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13149.95 |
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讓所有的民眾能夠看得很清楚 |
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13149.95 |
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13151.95 |
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到底是中央政府蓋牌 |
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13151.95 |
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13153.95 |
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或者是地方政府蓋牌 |
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13153.95 |
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13155.95 |
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那我 |
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13157.95 |
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接下來我想請教 |
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因為針對今天很多委員 |
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一直在關心就是說 |
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台糖沒有通報 |
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那我想請教就是說 |
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13165.95 |
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13167.95 |
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如果按照這樣的邏輯 |
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13167.95 |
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13171.95 |
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如果台糖今天真的有通報 |
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13171.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].end |
13173.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].text |
如果台糖今天真的有通報 |
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13173.95 |
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13175.95 |
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高雄市政府 |
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13175.95 |
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13177.95 |
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那高雄市政府也通報 |
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13177.95 |
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13179.95 |
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台中市政府 |
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13179.95 |
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13183.95 |
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那台中市政府它可以去扣這一批原油嗎 |
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就是去扣這一批的 |
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脫焦原油 |
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| transcript.whisperx[4420].end |
13189.95 |
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它不會扣因為它接下來還有製程 |
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13191.95 |
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所以它要從最終去驗它 |
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13191.95 |
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13193.95 |
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如果它最終產出來的 |
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13195.95 |
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食用油脂驗出來超標 |
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那當然就不可以 |
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所以就是說 |
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13201.95 |
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我們目前也沒有定 |
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13201.95 |
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13203.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].text |
這個脫焦原油的標準 |
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就是說黃豆 |
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13207.95 |
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它是從黃豆來 |
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13207.95 |
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13209.95 |
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黃豆然後去壓榨出來的 |
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13209.95 |
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13211.95 |
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第一層的油是脫焦原油 |
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13211.95 |
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13213.95 |
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所以黃豆我們也沒有定本便比標準 |
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13213.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].end |
13215.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].text |
脫焦原油也沒有本便比標準 |
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13215.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].end |
13217.95 |
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我們是定在最後的食用油的部分 |
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13217.95 |
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13219.95 |
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有本便比標準 |
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13219.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].end |
13221.95 |
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所以在我們目前的食安法當中 |
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13221.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].end |
13223.95 |
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以台糖為例的話 |
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13223.95 |
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13225.95 |
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它有義務要通報嗎 |
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13225.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].end |
13227.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].text |
如果以目前食安法 |
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13227.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].end |
13229.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].text |
如果以目前食安法 |
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13229.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].end |
13231.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].text |
如果以目前食安法 |
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13231.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].end |
13233.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].text |
如果以目前食安法 |
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13233.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].end |
13235.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].text |
如果以目前食安法 |
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13235.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].end |
13237.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].text |
如果以目前食安法 |
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13237.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].end |
13239.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].text |
如果以目前食安法 |
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13233.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].end |
13235.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].text |
通報的義務是來自於我們對標準的訂定 |
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13235.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].end |
13237.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].text |
通報的義務是來自於我們對標準的訂定 |
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13237.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].end |
13239.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].text |
所以有一些如果是不得減出的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[4449].end |
13241.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].text |
所以有一些如果是不得減出的 |
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13243.03 |
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不得添加的就有 |
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13245.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].text |
那如果有訂標準的 |
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13245.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].end |
13247.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].text |
那當然是針對超過標準的品項的部分 |
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13247.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].end |
13249.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].text |
那當然是針對超過標準的品項的部分 |
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13249.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].end |
13251.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].text |
它就要通報 |
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13251.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].end |
13253.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].text |
所以換言之它今天所拿的是脫焦原油 |
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13253.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].end |
13255.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].text |
它今天所拿的是脫焦原油 |
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13255.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].end |
13257.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].text |
那脫焦原油主管機關並沒有訂出 |
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13257.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].end |
13259.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].text |
貶平比的標準 |
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13259.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].end |
13261.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].text |
它只是它採購的標準 |
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13261.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].end |
13263.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].text |
它自己訂的一個採購標準 |
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13263.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].end |
13265.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].text |
所以這個是沒有 |
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13265.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].end |
13267.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].text |
在食安法裡面是沒有強制通報的義務的 |
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13267.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].end |
13269.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].text |
所以這是一個不得減出的品項的部分 |
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13269.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].end |
13271.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].text |
那如果說未來我們修食安法 |
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13271.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].end |
13273.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].text |
那如果說未來我們修食安法 |
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13273.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].end |
13275.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].text |
未來修食安法將這個原本的這個 |
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13275.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].end |
13277.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].text |
將這個原本的這個 |
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13277.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].end |
13279.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].text |
可能脫焦原油也制定這樣的一個標準 |
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13279.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].end |
13281.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].text |
可能脫焦原油也制定這樣的一個標準 |
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13281.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].end |
13283.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].text |
你覺得可行嗎 |
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13283.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].end |
13285.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].text |
這個會造成實務上很大的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].start |
13285.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].end |
13287.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].text |
因為如果今天我們在脫焦原油的這個階段 |
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13287.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].end |
13289.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].text |
因為如果今天我們在脫焦原油的這個階段 |
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驗到的是2.4ppb |
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可是根據它後面的 |
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13295.55 |
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脫酸脫色脫臭 |
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它是可以降低80%的 |
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它是可以降低80%的 |
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這個這個扁ppb標準 |
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結果就會造成 |
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它一旦驗出脫焦原油2.4 |
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13305.55 |
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13307.55 |
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它一旦驗出脫焦原油2.4 |
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13307.55 |
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13309.55 |
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它就全部停下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].start |
13309.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].end |
13311.55 |
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這個就不能用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[4485].end |
13313.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].text |
那這個對於我們這個油的產量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].start |
13313.55 |
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13315.55 |
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會有很大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].start |
13315.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].end |
13317.55 |
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我們的油的產量都是靠進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].start |
13317.55 |
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13319.55 |
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那個黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[4489].end |
13321.55 |
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進來煉油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].start |
13321.55 |
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13323.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].text |
那這個會大幅的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].start |
13323.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].end |
13325.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].text |
這個對食物也是一種浪費 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].start |
13325.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].end |
13327.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].text |
說實在話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].start |
13327.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].end |
13329.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].text |
所以我們是從製程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].start |
13329.55 |
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13331.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].text |
去掌控 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].start |
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13333.55 |
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因為它不是外來添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].start |
13333.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].end |
13335.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].text |
它是一個有機物 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].start |
13335.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].end |
13337.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].text |
在這個製造的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].start |
13337.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].end |
13339.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].text |
黃豆的本身會產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].start |
13339.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].end |
13341.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].text |
製造的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].start |
13341.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].end |
13343.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].text |
因為溫度的變化它會產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].start |
13343.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].end |
13345.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].text |
所以你要在製程上去把它控制好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].start |
13345.55 |
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13347.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].text |
那就可以達到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].start |
13347.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].end |
13349.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].text |
我們這個符合安全標準的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].start |
13349.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].end |
13351.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].text |
好那我是希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].start |
13351.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].end |
13353.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].text |
其實這麼多委員在關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].start |
13353.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].end |
13355.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].text |
就是說食用油的這個安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].start |
13355.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].end |
13357.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].text |
當然未來我們也希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].start |
13357.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].end |
13359.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].text |
這個修食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].start |
13359.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].end |
13361.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].text |
那民眾擔心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].start |
13361.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].end |
13363.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].text |
或者是委員希望在加嚴的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].start |
13363.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].end |
13365.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].text |
當然這個我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].start |
13365.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].end |
13367.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].text |
這個都可以討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].start |
13367.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].end |
13369.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].text |
即使就是說未來這個脫焦原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].start |
13369.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].end |
13371.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].text |
它是做成食用油的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].start |
13371.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].end |
13373.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].text |
其實我覺得在這上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].start |
13373.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].end |
13375.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].text |
其實我覺得也可以做一些規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].start |
13375.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].end |
13377.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].text |
那當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].start |
13377.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].end |
13379.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].text |
我一直覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].start |
13379.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].end |
13381.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].text |
如果今天地方政府能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].start |
13381.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].end |
13383.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].text |
這個多用點心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].start |
13383.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].end |
13385.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].text |
不是八年才驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].start |
13385.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].end |
13387.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].text |
也許它半年就去驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].start |
13387.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].end |
13389.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].text |
茶場也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].start |
13389.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].end |
13391.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].text |
或者是抽檢也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].start |
13391.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].end |
13393.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].text |
抽驗也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].start |
13393.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].end |
13395.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].text |
就不會有造成今天的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].start |
13395.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].end |
13397.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].text |
這樣的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].start |
13397.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].end |
13399.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].text |
所以我也希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].start |
13399.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].end |
13401.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].text |
未來我們如果再有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].start |
13401.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].end |
13403.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].text |
就是我們未來要修這個食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].start |
13403.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].end |
13405.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].text |
中央政府跟地方政府的權責 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].start |
13405.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].end |
13407.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].text |
我覺得應該就是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].start |
13407.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].end |
13409.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].text |
很明確的把它制定下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].start |
13409.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].end |
13411.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].text |
如果今天我們修食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].start |
13411.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].end |
13413.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].text |
我們把這個法這個修得很嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].start |
13413.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].end |
13415.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].text |
好 那地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].start |
13415.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].end |
13417.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].text |
它也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].start |
13417.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].end |
13419.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].text |
可能八年才去驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].start |
13419.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].end |
13421.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].text |
那如果類似這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].start |
13421.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].end |
13423.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].text |
狀況的話 其實未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].start |
13423.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].end |
13425.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].text |
如果這個食用油再出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].start |
13425.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].end |
13427.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].text |
我覺得這個沒有什麼好意外的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].start |
13427.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].end |
13429.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].text |
如果地方政府它也不用心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].start |
13429.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].end |
13431.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].text |
然後對於這個抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].start |
13431.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].end |
13433.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].text |
茶場多用點心的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].start |
13433.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].end |
13435.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].text |
多用點心的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].start |
13435.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].end |
13437.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].text |
其實我覺得你這個修法修得再嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].start |
13437.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].end |
13439.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].text |
那地方政府它也不作為的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].start |
13439.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].end |
13441.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].text |
其實我覺得這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].start |
13441.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].end |
13443.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].text |
事情還是會發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].start |
13443.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].end |
13445.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].text |
所以我希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].start |
13445.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].end |
13447.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].text |
我也相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].start |
13447.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].end |
13449.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].text |
所有的民眾不希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].start |
13449.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].end |
13451.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].text |
中央跟地方大家好像互提皮球 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].start |
13451.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].end |
13453.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].text |
會覺得說這個是誰的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].start |
13453.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].end |
13455.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].text |
當然食品出現問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].start |
13455.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].end |
13457.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].text |
是中央跟地方都有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].start |
13457.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].end |
13459.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].text |
那怎麼樣再讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].start |
13459.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].end |
13461.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].text |
這種事情以後不要再發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].start |
13461.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].end |
13463.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].text |
我覺得這個是最重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].start |
13463.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].end |
13465.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].text |
當然就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].start |
13465.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].end |
13467.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].text |
大家一直想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].start |
13467.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].end |
13469.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].text |
要追根究底查明原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].start |
13469.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].end |
13471.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].text |
我也覺得應該要查明原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].start |
13471.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].end |
13473.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].text |
到底是哪一個環節出錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].start |
13473.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].end |
13475.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].text |
那未來制定法律之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].start |
13475.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].end |
13477.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].text |
或者是加嚴之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].start |
13477.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].end |
13479.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].text |
是不是真的可以杜絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].start |
13479.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].end |
13481.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].text |
這樣的事情再次的發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].start |
13481.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].end |
13483.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].text |
所以我希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].start |
13483.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].end |
13485.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].text |
部長針對今天所有的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].start |
13488.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].end |
13489.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].text |
就 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].start |
13488.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].end |
13490.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].text |
大家都很關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].start |
13490.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].end |
13492.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].text |
那我覺得一點就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].start |
13492.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].end |
13494.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].text |
大家一直在追究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].start |
13494.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].end |
13496.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].text |
可能是中央部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].start |
13496.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].end |
13498.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].text |
可能是衛福部食藥署的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].start |
13498.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].end |
13500.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].text |
大家也很少去提 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].start |
13500.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].end |
13502.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].text |
那為什麼地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].start |
13502.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].end |
13504.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].text |
這個也是你的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].start |
13504.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].end |
13506.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].text |
那為什麼大家也不會去講一下說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].start |
13506.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].end |
13508.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].text |
為什麼地方政府你八年才驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].start |
13508.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].end |
13510.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].text |
甚至有的根本都沒有驗 |
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13510.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].end |
13512.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].text |
所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].start |
13512.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].end |
13514.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].text |
這個中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].start |
13514.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].end |
13516.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].text |
大家都有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].start |
13516.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].end |
13518.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].text |
那未來要怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].start |
13518.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].end |
13520.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].text |
讓這種事情不要再發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].start |
13520.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].end |
13522.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].text |
另外就是說通報的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].start |
13523.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].end |
13525.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].text |
如果今天以台糖的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].start |
13525.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].end |
13527.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].text |
其實他是沒有通報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].start |
13527.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].end |
13529.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].text |
這個義務啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].start |
13529.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].end |
13531.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].text |
那當然台糖他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].start |
13531.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].end |
13533.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].text |
本於這個企業的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].start |
13533.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].end |
13535.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].text |
如果今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].start |
13535.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].end |
13537.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].text |
如果我們的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].start |
13537.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].end |
13539.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].text |
食安法修完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].start |
13539.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].end |
13541.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].text |
那也許會對於買方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].start |
13541.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].end |
13543.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].text |
如果像台糖的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].start |
13543.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].end |
13545.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].text |
你有查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].start |
13545.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].end |
13547.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].text |
查到這個脫交原有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].start |
13547.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].end |
13549.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].text |
超乎你們自己本身的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].start |
13549.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].end |
13551.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].text |
那未來是不是也要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].start |
13551.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].end |
13553.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].text |
請台糖這邊也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].start |
13553.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].end |
13555.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].text |
不只是台糖其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].start |
13555.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].end |
13557.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].text |
食品廠也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].start |
13557.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].end |
13559.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].text |
是不是朝著這個方向去進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].start |
13559.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].end |
13561.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].start |
13561.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].end |
13563.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].text |
當然在全民一起監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].start |
13563.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].end |
13565.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].text |
食安的這個精神之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].start |
13565.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].end |
13567.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].text |
我們都鼓勵不論是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].start |
13567.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].end |
13569.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].text |
消費者不論是任何一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].start |
13569.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].end |
13571.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].text |
城市的業者有什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].start |
13571.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].end |
13573.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].text |
發現異常都可以來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].start |
13573.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].end |
13575.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].text |
這個是沒有問題都跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].start |
13575.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].end |
13577.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].text |
主管機關去通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].start |
13577.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].end |
13579.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].text |
讓他有預警早一點去介入是可以的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].start |
13579.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].end |
13581.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].text |
但是如果回到法律面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].start |
13581.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].end |
13583.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].text |
要去裁罰就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].start |
13583.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].end |
13585.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].text |
強制通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].start |
13585.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].end |
13587.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].text |
要去裁罰的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].start |
13587.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].end |
13589.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].text |
那我們也必須依法有據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].start |
13589.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].end |
13591.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].text |
所以我剛剛一直講台糖如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].start |
13591.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].end |
13593.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].text |
他要來通報不是不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].start |
13593.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].end |
13595.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].text |
他可以通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].start |
13595.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].end |
13597.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].text |
但是如果要來苛責說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].start |
13597.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].end |
13599.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].text |
你是不是因為沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].start |
13599.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].end |
13601.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].text |
要去處罰他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].start |
13601.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].end |
13603.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].text |
那我們就必須回到法規面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].start |
13603.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].end |
13605.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].text |
我們這個法律的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].start |
13605.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].end |
13607.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].text |
法規沒有規定他一定要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].start |
13607.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].end |
13609.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].text |
但是為食安大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].start |
13609.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].end |
13611.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].text |
一起來監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].start |
13611.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].end |
13613.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].text |
大家來通報這個是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].start |
13613.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].end |
13615.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].text |
支持的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].start |
13615.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].end |
13617.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].text |
我剛剛一直在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].start |
13617.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].end |
13619.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].text |
如果地方政府他有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].start |
13619.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].end |
13621.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].text |
積極落實稽查或抽菸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].start |
13621.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].end |
13623.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].text |
就是讓業者不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].start |
13623.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].end |
13625.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].text |
有心存僥倖 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].start |
13625.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].end |
13627.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].text |
這個我看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].start |
13627.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].end |
13629.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].text |
就是說地方政府最近 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].start |
13629.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].end |
13631.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].text |
可能就有的罰300 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].start |
13631.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].end |
13633.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].text |
罰300萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].start |
13633.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].end |
13635.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].text |
像這樣子的話事後的裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].start |
13635.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].end |
13637.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].text |
很多就是對罰個300萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].start |
13637.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].end |
13639.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].text |
其實對一個食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].start |
13639.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].end |
13641.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].text |
或者是對於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].start |
13641.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].end |
13643.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].text |
自由的這個像中聯有指的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].start |
13643.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].end |
13645.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].text |
其實對他們來講是不痛不癢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].start |
13645.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].end |
13647.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].text |
那很 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].start |
13647.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].end |
13649.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].text |
就是隨著這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].start |
13649.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].end |
13651.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].text |
案件的發展就是我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].start |
13651.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].end |
13653.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].text |
就是說一罪一罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].start |
13653.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].end |
13655.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].text |
不二罰的這樣的一個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].start |
13655.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].end |
13657.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].text |
到最後有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].start |
13657.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].end |
13659.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].text |
就只有罰一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].start |
13659.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].end |
13661.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].text |
可能很多民眾會覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].start |
13661.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].end |
13663.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].text |
對於這個食用有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].start |
13663.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].end |
13665.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].text |
這個安全如果到最後是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].start |
13665.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].end |
13667.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].text |
輕輕放下的話其實很多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].start |
13667.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].end |
13669.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].text |
可能會沒辦法接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].start |
13669.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].end |
13671.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].text |
因為只有一罪不兩罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].start |
13671.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].end |
13673.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].text |
像類似這樣的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].start |
13673.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].end |
13675.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].text |
所以我覺得說未來這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].start |
13675.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].end |
13677.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].text |
這個食安法的這個修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].start |
13677.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].end |
13679.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].text |
其實我覺得應該也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].start |
13679.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].end |
13681.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].text |
我們未來在我們衛環委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].start |
13681.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].end |
13683.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].text |
本身就要去做的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].start |
13683.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].end |
13685.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].text |
如果今天再次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].start |
13685.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].end |
13687.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].text |
當然要釐清責任這個沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].start |
13687.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].end |
13689.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].text |
釐清原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].start |
13689.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].end |
13691.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].text |
釐清責任我覺得這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].start |
13691.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].end |
13693.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].text |
都沒有問題可是最重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].start |
13693.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].end |
13695.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].text |
就是我們最終還是要把這部法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].start |
13695.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].end |
13697.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].text |
再修的更嚴謹一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].start |
13697.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].end |
13699.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].text |
如果按照目前的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].start |
13699.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].end |
13701.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].text |
來看那台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].start |
13701.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].end |
13703.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].text |
他根本就沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].start |
13703.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].end |
13705.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].text |
的這個義務跟責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].start |
13705.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].end |
13707.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].text |
如果以法來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].start |
13707.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].end |
13709.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].text |
是這樣子嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].start |
13709.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].end |
13711.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].text |
目前的法是這樣所以如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].start |
13711.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].end |
13713.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].text |
大家覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].start |
13713.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].end |
13715.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].text |
要再擴大這個通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].start |
13715.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].end |
13717.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].text |
的義務更嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].start |
13717.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].end |
13719.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].text |
的通報義務這個其實可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].start |
13719.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].end |
13721.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].text |
在後續修法的時候大家討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].start |
13721.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].end |
13723.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].text |
好那我也希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].start |
13723.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].end |
13725.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].text |
在衛環委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].start |
13725.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].end |
13727.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].text |
所有的委員應該就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].start |
13727.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].end |
13729.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].text |
就事論事然後就整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].start |
13729.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].end |
13731.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].text |
這個目前的這個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].start |
13731.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].end |
13733.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].text |
應該儘速來修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].start |
13733.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].end |
13735.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].text |
既然從七月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].start |
13735.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].end |
13737.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].text |
我記得我第一次質詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].start |
13737.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].end |
13739.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].text |
是在七月好像是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].start |
13739.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].end |
13741.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].text |
七月三號還是四號 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].start |
13741.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].end |
13743.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].text |
那時候剛發生的時候我就在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].start |
13743.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].end |
13745.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].text |
這個質詢台上面就有問過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].start |
13745.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].end |
13747.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].text |
部長那到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].start |
13747.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].end |
13749.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].text |
也將近一個月的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].start |
13749.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].end |
13751.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].text |
我也相信就是說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].start |
13751.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].end |
13753.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].text |
衛福部或食藥署那相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].start |
13753.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].end |
13755.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].text |
部會大家也很積極 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].start |
13755.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].end |
13757.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].text |
就是希望能夠把這個事情趕快 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].start |
13757.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].end |
13759.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].text |
釐清清楚那我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].start |
13759.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].end |
13761.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].text |
也不希望就是說這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].start |
13761.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].end |
13763.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].text |
一直延燒下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].start |
13763.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].end |
13765.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].text |
那一般的民眾一般 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].start |
13765.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].end |
13767.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].text |
的其實我在地方跑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].start |
13767.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].end |
13769.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].text |
其實他們會覺得把 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].start |
13769.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].end |
13771.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].text |
事情釐清把責任釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].start |
13771.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].end |
13773.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].text |
之後那未來不要再有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].start |
13773.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].end |
13775.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].text |
這樣的一個事情發生其實這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].start |
13775.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].end |
13777.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].text |
發生的時候我你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].start |
13777.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].end |
13779.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].text |
部長你知道就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].start |
13779.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].end |
13781.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].text |
不僅是消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].start |
13781.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].end |
13783.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].text |
還有一些我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].start |
13783.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].end |
13785.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].text |
製造食品的這個加工業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].start |
13785.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].end |
13787.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].text |
其實影響也都非常的大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].start |
13787.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].end |
13789.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].text |
所以我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].start |
13789.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].end |
13791.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].text |
就是未來不要再有類似 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].start |
13791.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].end |
13793.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].text |
的狀況發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].start |
13793.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].end |
13795.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].text |
那這件事情我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].start |
13795.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].end |
13797.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].text |
從這個地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].start |
13797.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].end |
13799.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].text |
中央政府大家都有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].start |
13799.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].end |
13801.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].text |
也不要再去追究說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].start |
13801.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].end |
13803.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].text |
誰的責任大誰的責任小 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].start |
13803.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].end |
13805.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].text |
不需要那目前就是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].start |
13805.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].end |
13807.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].text |
在立法院的衛環委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].start |
13807.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].end |
13809.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].text |
我們更重要的是應該把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].start |
13809.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].end |
13811.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].text |
這個食安法的這部法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].start |
13811.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].end |
13813.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].text |
修得更嚴謹一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].start |
13813.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].end |
13815.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].text |
那未來像類似 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].start |
13815.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].end |
13817.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].text |
台糖的這樣的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].start |
13817.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].end |
13819.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].text |
他是不是要賦予他通報的一個責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].start |
13819.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].end |
13821.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].text |
那如果以這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].start |
13821.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].end |
13823.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].text |
你他他的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].start |
13823.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].end |
13825.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].text |
油他要跟中聯油紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].start |
13825.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].end |
13827.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].text |
買油這個油都還沒有進到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].start |
13827.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].end |
13829.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].text |
這個台糖他只是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].start |
13829.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].end |
13831.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].text |
還在中聯油紙的這個場區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].start |
13832.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].end |
13834.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].text |
他也沒有買然後也沒有進到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].start |
13834.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].end |
13836.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].text |
台糖的這樣的一個場區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].start |
13836.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].end |
13838.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].text |
那類似的狀況他有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].start |
13838.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].end |
13840.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].text |
的義務嗎如果今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].start |
13840.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].end |
13842.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].text |
有通報的義務那我們未來在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].start |
13842.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].end |
13844.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].text |
食安法上面是不是也要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].start |
13844.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].end |
13846.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].text |
修那另外就是說如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].start |
13846.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].end |
13848.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].text |
他沒有通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].start |
13848.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].end |
13850.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].text |
他去通報那這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].start |
13850.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].end |
13852.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].text |
算是檢舉嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].start |
13852.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].end |
13854.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].text |
我覺得這個未來會牽涉到很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].start |
13854.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].end |
13856.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].text |
的樣態啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].start |
13856.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].end |
13858.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].text |
所以我們希望這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].start |
13858.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].end |
13860.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].text |
儘速 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].start |
13860.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].end |
13862.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].text |
清清完之後趕快 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].start |
13862.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].end |
13864.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].text |
讓這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].start |
13864.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].end |
13866.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].text |
食安法修法更嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].start |
13866.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].end |
13868.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].text |
然後讓未來我們不論是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].start |
13868.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].end |
13870.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].text |
食用油也好或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].start |
13870.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].end |
13872.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].text |
我們吃到的跟這個油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].start |
13872.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].end |
13874.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].text |
相關或所有的食品都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].start |
13874.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].end |
13876.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].text |
安全的其實我一直在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].start |
13876.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].end |
13878.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].text |
跟部長提到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].start |
13878.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].end |
13880.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].text |
民眾最關心的我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].start |
13880.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].end |
13882.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].text |
現在在貨架上面拿到的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].start |
13882.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].end |
13884.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].text |
東西是不是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].start |
13884.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].end |
13886.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].text |
所以部長你一直在強調嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].start |
13886.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].end |
13888.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].text |
就是說民眾消費者拿到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].start |
13888.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].end |
13890.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].text |
這些買到的這些油品是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].start |
13890.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].end |
13892.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].start |
13892.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].end |
13894.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].text |
我們在7月10號中午 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].start |
13894.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].end |
13896.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].text |
都已經完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].start |
13896.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].end |
13898.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].text |
預防性下架所以現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].start |
13898.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].end |
13900.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].text |
架上都是經過我們檢驗完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].start |
13900.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].end |
13902.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].text |
允許上架的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].start |
13902.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].end |
13904.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].text |
而且現在其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].start |
13904.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].end |
13906.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].text |
還在持續煉油的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].start |
13906.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].end |
13908.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].text |
三個大廠他都是足批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].start |
13908.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].end |
13910.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].text |
檢驗過去的話還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].start |
13910.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].end |
13912.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].text |
半年或一季才抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].start |
13912.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].end |
13914.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].text |
現在是足批檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].start |
13914.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].end |
13916.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].text |
所以現在的大豆油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].start |
13916.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].end |
13918.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].text |
是非常安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].start |
13918.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].end |
13920.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].text |
所以我要再次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].start |
13920.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].end |
13922.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].text |
請部長還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].start |
13922.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].end |
13924.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].text |
我們食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].start |
13924.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].end |
13926.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].text |
針對這部分趕快 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].start |
13926.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].end |
13928.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].text |
趕快釐清完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].start |
13928.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].end |
13930.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].text |
大家往前走不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].start |
13930.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].end |
13932.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].text |
在這個議題上面再一直 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].start |
13932.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].end |
13934.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].text |
圍繞下去其實我覺得這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].start |
13934.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].end |
13936.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].text |
一直圍繞下去其實也都不是好事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].start |
13936.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].end |
13938.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].text |
總是把事情釐清之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].start |
13938.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].end |
13940.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].text |
未來不要再有這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].start |
13940.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].end |
13942.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].text |
事情發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].start |
13942.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].end |
13944.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].text |
像中聯有指的狀況其實我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].start |
13944.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].end |
13946.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].text |
應該也要去追究他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].start |
13946.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].end |
13948.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].text |
為什麼不通報那為什麼會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].start |
13948.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].end |
13950.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].text |
做出這樣劣質的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].start |
13950.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].end |
13952.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].text |
或者是有毒的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].start |
13952.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].end |
13954.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].text |
我覺得這個責任要釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].start |
13954.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].end |
13956.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].text |
這個我覺得也要重罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].start |
13956.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].end |
13958.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].text |
讓業者不要心存僥倖 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].start |
13958.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].end |
13960.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].text |
我覺得這個更重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].start |
13960.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].end |
13962.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].text |
我現在一直覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].start |
13962.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].end |
13964.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].text |
好像中央政府跟地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].start |
13964.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].end |
13966.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].text |
大家就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].start |
13966.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].end |
13968.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].text |
互踢皮球其實我覺得這樣也不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].start |
13968.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].end |
13970.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].text |
但我相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].start |
13970.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].end |
13972.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].text |
部長跟署長都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].start |
13972.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].end |
13974.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].text |
對於這個承擔的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].start |
13974.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].end |
13976.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].text |
總是事情發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].start |
13976.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].end |
13978.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].text |
中央政府就是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].start |
13978.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].end |
13980.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].text |
承擔這樣的一個責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].start |
13980.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].end |
13982.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].text |
趕快把它釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].start |
13982.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].end |
13984.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].text |
讓民眾讓消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].start |
13984.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].end |
13986.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].text |
在貨架上面拿到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].start |
13986.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].end |
13988.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].text |
這些使用油全部都是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].start |
13988.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].end |
13990.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].text |
我覺得這是大家更關心的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].start |
13990.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].end |
13992.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].text |
跟委員說明我們其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].start |
13992.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].end |
13994.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].text |
一直秉持的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].start |
13994.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].end |
13996.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].text |
食安是需要中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].start |
13996.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].end |
13998.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].text |
大家一起做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].start |
13998.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].end |
14000.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].text |
所以我們不會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].start |
14000.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].end |
14002.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].text |
就責地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].start |
14002.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].end |
14004.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].text |
也不會去踢皮球 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].start |
14004.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].end |
14006.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].text |
大家就是要一起合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].start |
14006.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].end |
14008.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].text |
才能夠把這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].start |
14008.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].end |
14010.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].text |
為民眾把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].start |
14010.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].end |
14012.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].text |
把這個食安整個工作做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].start |
14012.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].end |
14014.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].text |
所以未來我們也是用這樣的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].start |
14014.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].end |
14016.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].text |
來進行修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].start |
14016.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].end |
14018.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].text |
好我希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].start |
14018.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].end |
14020.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].text |
這個議題趕快 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].start |
14020.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].end |
14022.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].text |
處理完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].start |
14022.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].end |
14024.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].text |
我們再次的將這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].start |
14024.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].end |
14026.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].text |
食安法修法修得更嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].start |
14026.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].end |
14028.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].text |
我覺得這個應該是大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].start |
14028.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].end |
14030.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].text |
的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].start |
14035.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].end |
14037.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].text |
好謝謝黃秀芳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].start |
14037.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].end |
14039.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].text |
那我們請下一位蘇青前委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].start |
14046.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].end |
14048.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].text |
好謝謝蘇青 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].start |
14048.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].end |
14050.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].text |
我請教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].start |
14050.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].end |
14052.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].text |
副署長賴淑芬副署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].start |
14052.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].end |
14054.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].text |
謝謝教育署 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].start |
14056.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].end |
14058.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].text |
然後國防部後勤參謀次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].start |
14060.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].end |
14062.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].text |
賀志豪處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].start |
14062.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].end |
14064.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].text |
經濟部賴次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].start |
14066.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].end |
14070.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].text |
還有我們台南公司的蔡東霖副總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].start |
14071.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].end |
14073.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].text |
部長署長休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].start |
14075.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].end |
14077.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].text |
好我們請我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].start |
14078.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].end |
14080.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].text |
國教署副署長戴淑芬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].start |
14080.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].end |
14082.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].text |
台南的副總我先問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].start |
14082.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].end |
14084.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].start |
14085.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].end |
14087.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].text |
今天早上講到現在大家說到累了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].start |
14089.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].end |
14091.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].text |
來我問你喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].start |
14091.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].end |
14093.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].text |
5月11號你們去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].start |
14092.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].end |
14094.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].text |
你們這採購是在什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].start |
14094.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].end |
14096.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].text |
招標採購300萬公升 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].start |
14096.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].end |
14098.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].text |
招標是4月份的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].start |
14098.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].end |
14100.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].text |
4月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].start |
14100.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].end |
14102.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].text |
好那來投標的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].start |
14102.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].end |
14104.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].text |
剛剛經濟部次長說有高競 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].start |
14104.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].end |
14106.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].text |
來投標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].start |
14106.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].end |
14108.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].text |
選擇性招標的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].start |
14109.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].end |
14111.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].text |
我們是用選擇性招標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].start |
14112.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].end |
14114.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].text |
建立合格廠商名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].start |
14114.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].end |
14116.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].text |
我們平常就有建立啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].start |
14116.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].end |
14118.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].text |
合格廠商名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].start |
14118.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].end |
14120.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].text |
那招標的時候我們會通知這些廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].start |
14120.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].end |
14122.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].text |
他們來投標那總共來投標的有4家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].start |
14122.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].end |
14124.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].text |
4家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].start |
14124.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].end |
14126.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].text |
那胡茂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].start |
14125.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].end |
14127.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].text |
得標嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].start |
14127.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].end |
14129.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].text |
胡茂得標之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].start |
14129.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].end |
14131.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].text |
他又交給中聯7家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].start |
14131.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].end |
14133.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].text |
代工 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].start |
14133.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].end |
14135.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].text |
可以這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].start |
14134.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].end |
14136.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].text |
那標是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].start |
14136.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].end |
14138.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].text |
企工4間公司來投標的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].start |
14138.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].end |
14140.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].text |
有中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].start |
14140 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].end |
14142 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].start |
14142 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].end |
14144 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].text |
另外那第2級的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].start |
14144 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].end |
14146 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].text |
胡茂、泰山 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].start |
14146 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].end |
14148 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].text |
泰山、胡茂他們都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].start |
14148 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].end |
14150 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].text |
壓黃豆的設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].start |
14150 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].end |
14152 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].text |
對嘛我現在問題在第一個在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].start |
14152 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].end |
14154 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].text |
就是說這4間公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].start |
14154 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].end |
14156 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].text |
自己有壓榨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].start |
14156.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].end |
14158.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].text |
出脫膠原有這個R |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].start |
14158.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].end |
14160.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].text |
Rdouble |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].start |
14160.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].end |
14162.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].text |
石部長說的第一級的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].start |
14163.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].end |
14165.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].text |
那這些公司都沒有這個能力的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].start |
14167.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].end |
14169.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].text |
那他們招標完全部都是委託中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].start |
14169.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].end |
14171.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].text |
代工出貨是不是這個意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].start |
14171.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].end |
14173.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].start |
14173.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].end |
14175.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].text |
所以你招標就是招到基模的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].start |
14178.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].end |
14180.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].text |
我們公開招標也有包括國外的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].start |
14180.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].end |
14182.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].text |
那國外的出遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].start |
14182.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].end |
14184.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].text |
如果說他得標的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].start |
14184.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].end |
14186.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].text |
也可以來交貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].start |
14186.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].end |
14188.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].text |
那他也是委託中聯出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].start |
14188.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].end |
14190.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].text |
沒有沒有沒有那個是國外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].start |
14190.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].end |
14192.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].text |
他從國外用出膠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].start |
14192.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].end |
14194.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].text |
那個黃豆有來交貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].start |
14194.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].end |
14196.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].text |
是沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].start |
14196.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].end |
14198.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].text |
有發生過這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].start |
14198.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].end |
14200.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].text |
你現在回答要小心喔你不要亂講喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].start |
14200.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].end |
14202.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].text |
有曾經發生過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].start |
14203.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].end |
14205.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].text |
好那第二個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].start |
14205.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].end |
14207.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].text |
你們拿這些脫膠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].start |
14207.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].end |
14209.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].text |
黃豆原有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].start |
14209.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].end |
14211.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].text |
回去到你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].start |
14211.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].end |
14213.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].text |
台糖你們的工廠在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].start |
14213.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].end |
14215.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].text |
你們有能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].start |
14215.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].end |
14217.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].text |
分解進化除臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].start |
14217.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].end |
14219.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].text |
等等有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].start |
14219.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].end |
14221.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].text |
我們的工廠是在小港 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].start |
14222.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].end |
14224.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].start |
14225.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].end |
14227.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].text |
我們自己的工廠他有分兩個廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].start |
14227.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].end |
14229.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].text |
一個廠就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].start |
14229.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].end |
14231.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].text |
壓榨黃豆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].start |
14232.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].end |
14234.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].text |
那個在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].start |
14235.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].end |
14237.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].text |
那個是我們有一個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].start |
14237.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].end |
14239.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].text |
有一個廠他是做出遊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].start |
14239.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].end |
14241.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].text |
所以你們也有能力把黃豆壓榨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].start |
14241.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].end |
14243.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].text |
我們本來就是這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].start |
14243.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].end |
14245.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].text |
我們主要是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].start |
14246.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].end |
14248.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].text |
購買美國的黃豆回來壓榨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].start |
14248.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].end |
14250.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].text |
出遊然後從出遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].start |
14250.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].end |
14252.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].text |
再把它精列另外一個廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].start |
14252.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].end |
14254.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].text |
我查起來是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].start |
14254.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].end |
14256.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].text |
你們買的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].start |
14256.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].end |
14258.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].text |
你買的黃豆跟美國買你都給它費幾張 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].start |
14258.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].end |
14260.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].text |
這次中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].start |
14260.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].end |
14262.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].text |
他們才去把 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].start |
14262.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].end |
14264.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].text |
巴西進來是種種 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].start |
14264.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].end |
14266.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].text |
散裝破崙就劈屁撞的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].start |
14266.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].end |
14268.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].text |
所以都會濕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].start |
14268.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].end |
14270.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].text |
濕中落雨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].start |
14270.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].end |
14272.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].text |
所以濕濕黏黏 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].start |
14272.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].end |
14274.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].text |
所以就用茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].start |
14274.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].end |
14276.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].text |
就是烤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].start |
14276.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].end |
14278.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].text |
還有燃燒不完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].start |
14278.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].end |
14280.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].text |
那些東西就卡在黃豆的皮上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].start |
14280.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].end |
14282.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].text |
然後壓榨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].start |
14282.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].end |
14284.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].text |
這些就幾乎就出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].start |
14284.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].end |
14286.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].text |
然後這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].start |
14286.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].end |
14288.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].text |
弄到迷你媽媽 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].start |
14288.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].end |
14290.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].text |
到了七月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].start |
14290.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].end |
14292.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].text |
叫食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].start |
14292.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].end |
14294.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].text |
叫署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].start |
14294.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].end |
14296.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].text |
打這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].start |
14296.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].end |
14298.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].text |
背這個鍋我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].start |
14298.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].end |
14300.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].text |
這不道德的耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].start |
14300.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].end |
14302.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].text |
前面亂搞一通後面這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].start |
14301.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].end |
14303.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].text |
部長 食部長可憐耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].start |
14304.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].end |
14306.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].text |
他吃過都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].start |
14306.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].end |
14308.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].text |
好不甘迷你媽媽 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].start |
14308.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].end |
14310.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].text |
我覺得台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].start |
14310.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].end |
14312.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].text |
我覺得對你們很失望耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].start |
14312.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].end |
14314.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].text |
我們從小都在那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].start |
14314.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].end |
14316.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].text |
甘蔗紅大耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].start |
14316.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].end |
14318.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].text |
都在那裡捏尿氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].start |
14318.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].end |
14320.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].text |
在那裡頭噁甘甘 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].start |
14320.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].end |
14322.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].text |
這年代的人都做過耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].start |
14322.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].end |
14324.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].text |
吃你們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].start |
14324.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].end |
14326.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].text |
建樹糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].start |
14326.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].end |
14328.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].text |
我會建樹糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].start |
14328.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].end |
14330.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].text |
因為營養不良嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].start |
14330.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].end |
14332.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].text |
吃你們的東西大家都很有信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].start |
14332.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].end |
14334.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].text |
現在大家這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].start |
14334.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].end |
14336.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].text |
會抓狂耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].start |
14336.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].end |
14338.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].text |
那你們自己有能力用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].start |
14338.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].end |
14340.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].text |
黃豆自己有進口從美國進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].start |
14340.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].end |
14342.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].text |
那你就自己搞就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].start |
14342.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].end |
14344.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].text |
為什麼要去買這些有問題的油呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].start |
14345.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].end |
14347.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].text |
我們的黃豆壓榨廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].start |
14347.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].end |
14349.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].text |
它的產能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].start |
14349.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].end |
14351.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].text |
不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].start |
14351.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].end |
14353.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].text |
台糖的生意太好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].start |
14353.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].end |
14355.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].text |
大家都一定有信心耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].start |
14355.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].end |
14357.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].text |
不足的部分我們才會對外去採購出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].start |
14357.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].end |
14359.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].text |
所以你現在採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].start |
14359.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].end |
14361.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].text |
300公升的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].start |
14361.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].end |
14363.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].text |
出膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].start |
14363.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].end |
14365.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].text |
那你們一年的需要量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].start |
14365.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].end |
14367.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].text |
遠遠高過這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].start |
14368.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].end |
14370.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].text |
是我們一年大概需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].start |
14371.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].end |
14373.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].text |
需要的出油大概需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].start |
14373.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].end |
14375.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].text |
1萬多噸到2萬噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].start |
14377.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].end |
14379.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].text |
疑問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].start |
14378.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].end |
14380.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].text |
將近2萬噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].start |
14380.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].end |
14382.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].text |
我們出油的需求量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].start |
14384.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].end |
14386.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].text |
2萬多噸是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].start |
14387.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].end |
14389.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].text |
你現在是300公升 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].start |
14389.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].end |
14391.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].text |
300萬公升 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].start |
14391.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].end |
14393.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].text |
300萬公升就是3千 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].start |
14393.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].end |
14395.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].text |
我們這次招標是3千噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].start |
14395.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].end |
14397.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].text |
3千公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].start |
14397.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].end |
14399.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].text |
3千噸一年的需要量是2萬公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].start |
14399.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].end |
14401.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].text |
2萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].start |
14401.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].end |
14403.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].text |
我看這個柏定也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].start |
14403.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].end |
14405.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].text |
柏定知道他一年要多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].start |
14405.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].end |
14407.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].text |
你如果知道我就不相信了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].start |
14407.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].end |
14409.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].text |
你隨你亂說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].start |
14408.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].end |
14410.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].start |
14410.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].end |
14412.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].text |
那你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].start |
14412.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].end |
14414.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].text |
5月15號去採樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].start |
14414.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].end |
14416.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].text |
發現他14.7ppp |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].start |
14417.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].end |
14421.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].text |
那一些油現在還在中聯的油槽裡面嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].start |
14423.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].end |
14425.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].start |
14424.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].end |
14426.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].text |
我們就不曉得我們當初驗收的時候有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].start |
14427.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].end |
14429.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].text |
前方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].start |
14429.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].end |
14431.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].text |
空氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].start |
14432.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].end |
14434.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].text |
等於說這桶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].start |
14434.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].end |
14436.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].text |
我們沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].start |
14436.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].end |
14438.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].text |
沒有運收 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].start |
14438.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].end |
14440.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].text |
沒有接收 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].start |
14440.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].end |
14442.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].text |
還是留在那個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].start |
14442.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].end |
14444.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].text |
那至於說後續他怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].start |
14444.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].end |
14446.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].text |
我們就不是很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].start |
14446.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].end |
14448.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].text |
然後你5月21號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].start |
14448.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].end |
14450.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].text |
第一批交貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].start |
14450.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].end |
14452.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].text |
100萬公升 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].start |
14452.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].end |
14454.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].text |
也是中聯交的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].start |
14454.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].end |
14456.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].text |
1100多公升 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].start |
14458.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].end |
14460.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].text |
1千 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].start |
14459.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].end |
14461.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].text |
100萬公升 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].start |
14460.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].end |
14462.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].text |
沒有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].start |
14462.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].end |
14464.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].text |
1000公升左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].start |
14466.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].end |
14468.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].text |
1000噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].start |
14468.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].end |
14470.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].text |
1000噸啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].start |
14470.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].end |
14472.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].text |
然後第二批是6月18號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].start |
14472.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].end |
14474.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].text |
也是1000噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].start |
14474.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].end |
14476.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].text |
這個也是中聯交 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].start |
14477.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].end |
14479.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].text |
那個我們願他是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].start |
14481.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].end |
14485.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].text |
他是合乎我們的招標的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].start |
14485.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].end |
14489.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].text |
你們自己本身有能力去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].start |
14489.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].end |
14491.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].text |
檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].start |
14490.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].end |
14492.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].text |
我們分第三單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].start |
14492.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].end |
14494.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].text |
你自己台檔有沒有能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].start |
14495.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].end |
14497.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].start |
14497.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].end |
14499.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].text |
我們有實驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].start |
14499.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].end |
14501.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].text |
那你沒有能力驗這個批評 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].start |
14501.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].end |
14503.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].text |
我們也可以啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].start |
14503.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].end |
14505.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].text |
只是說經過第三方的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].start |
14505.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].end |
14507.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].text |
他是比較公正的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].start |
14507.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].end |
14509.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].text |
那你們自己在製造過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].start |
14509.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].end |
14511.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].text |
你從脫交原有一直往下一直經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].start |
14511.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].end |
14513.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].text |
像我們食部長講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].start |
14513.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].end |
14515.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].text |
脫交脫錯算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].start |
14515.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].end |
14517.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].text |
拆到一天三天都拿出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].start |
14517.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].end |
14519.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].text |
那做拆了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].start |
14519.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].end |
14521.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].text |
要去給他吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].start |
14521.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].end |
14523.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].text |
你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].start |
14522.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].end |
14524.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].text |
驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].start |
14523.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].end |
14525.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].text |
驗的data |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].start |
14525.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].end |
14527.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].text |
也是你們還是委託第三方驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].start |
14527.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].end |
14529.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].text |
都是委託第三方公正單位在驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].start |
14529.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].end |
14531.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].text |
都是委託第三方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].start |
14531.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].end |
14533.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].text |
對一定要驗到合格為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].start |
14533.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].end |
14535.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].start |
14534.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].end |
14536.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].text |
那我現在要講說我們對台檔是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].start |
14538.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].end |
14540.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].text |
應該是說最後一個信任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].start |
14540.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].end |
14542.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].text |
其他的可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].start |
14542.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].end |
14544.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].text |
比較沒什麼信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].start |
14544.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].end |
14546.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].text |
所以委員不能放心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].start |
14546.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].end |
14548.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].text |
對台檔大家是這樣放心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].start |
14548.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].end |
14550.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].text |
結果你如果出事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].start |
14550.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].end |
14552.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].text |
就死了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].start |
14552.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].end |
14554.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].text |
所以這個還給保證國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].start |
14554.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].end |
14556.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].text |
這個阿兵哥最可憐 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].start |
14556.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].end |
14558.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].text |
這個孩子最可憐 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].start |
14558.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].end |
14560.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].text |
剛才就吃不死就很爽 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].start |
14560.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].end |
14562.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].text |
這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].start |
14562.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].end |
14564.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].text |
我們為什麼要進美國的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].start |
14564.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].end |
14566.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].text |
就是他的品質比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].start |
14566.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].end |
14568.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].text |
他的品質跟巴西黃豆是差在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].start |
14568.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].end |
14570.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].text |
你給我講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].start |
14570.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].end |
14572.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].text |
他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].start |
14572.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].end |
14574.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].text |
蛋白質 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].start |
14574.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].end |
14576.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].text |
水分含量都比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].start |
14577.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].end |
14579.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].start |
14578.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].end |
14580.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].text |
一樣機械 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].start |
14579.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].end |
14581.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].text |
都是基改 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].start |
14581.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].end |
14583.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].text |
好看他們這樣80%都是基改 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].start |
14583.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].end |
14585.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].text |
是是是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].start |
14585.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].end |
14587.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].text |
所以吃基改要小心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].start |
14589.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].end |
14591.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].text |
保證 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].start |
14591.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].end |
14593.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].text |
死了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].start |
14593.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].end |
14595.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].text |
吃基改就完了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].start |
14595.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].end |
14597.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].text |
沒有證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].start |
14597.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].end |
14599.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].text |
我覺得對教育部跟國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].start |
14599.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].end |
14601.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].text |
這些副實裝是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].start |
14601.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].end |
14603.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].text |
我做海流 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].start |
14603.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].end |
14605.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].text |
我現在想想以前吃什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].start |
14605.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].end |
14607.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].text |
剛才吃吃吃吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].start |
14607.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].end |
14609.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].text |
沒死到現在沒死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].start |
14609.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].end |
14611.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].text |
保證你也做一支特勞軍的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].start |
14610.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].end |
14612.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].text |
我吃吃吃也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].start |
14613.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].end |
14615.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].text |
我們對於食安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].start |
14615.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].end |
14617.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].text |
我們一直消一直消 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].start |
14617.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].end |
14619.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].text |
今天要消法一直消 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].start |
14619.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].end |
14621.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].text |
消一消不遵守有什麼屁用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].start |
14620.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].end |
14622.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].text |
不遵守就等於零嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].start |
14622.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].end |
14624.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].text |
你修了再嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].start |
14624.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].end |
14626.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].text |
不遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].start |
14626.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].end |
14628.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].text |
像這個中聯他測出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].start |
14628.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].end |
14630.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].text |
他有他也不敢講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].start |
14629.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].end |
14631.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].text |
你現在一下子部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].start |
14631.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].end |
14633.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].text |
我們食物部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].start |
14633.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].end |
14635.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].text |
也許處教人有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].start |
14635.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].end |
14637.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].text |
沒有沒有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].start |
14638.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].end |
14640.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].text |
沒有Data就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].start |
14640.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].end |
14642.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].text |
他的問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].start |
14642.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].end |
14644.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].text |
出在於說他處教原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].start |
14644.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].end |
14646.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].text |
他把它精煉成食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].start |
14646.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].end |
14648.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].text |
還是超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].start |
14648.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].end |
14650.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].text |
那個他沒有報啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].start |
14650.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].end |
14652.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].text |
沒有他交給福茂這第二批 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].start |
14652.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].end |
14654.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].text |
他那個時候是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].start |
14654.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].end |
14656.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].text |
初級初級的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].start |
14656.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].end |
14658.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].text |
不是不是是食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].start |
14658.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].end |
14660.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].text |
他交的是食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].start |
14660.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].end |
14662.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].text |
所以中聯本身可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].start |
14662.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].end |
14664.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].text |
一直做做到食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].start |
14664.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].end |
14666.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].text |
這個工程就都委託而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].start |
14666.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].end |
14668.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].text |
做假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].start |
14667.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].end |
14669.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].text |
都歐耶妹 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].start |
14669.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].end |
14671.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].text |
現在工程都掛名了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].start |
14671.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].end |
14673.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].text |
你把你撥的他也沒辦法交 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].start |
14673.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].end |
14675.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].text |
叫中聯交 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].start |
14675.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].end |
14677.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].text |
現在你說的撥的他要做成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].start |
14677.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].end |
14679.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].text |
他也做得出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].start |
14679.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].end |
14681.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].text |
做成品做出來要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].start |
14685.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].end |
14687.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].text |
這樣事情嚴重耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].start |
14687.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].end |
14689.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].start |
14689.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].end |
14691.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].text |
市長啊 賴市長你們這個公司這樣管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].start |
14691.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].end |
14693.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].text |
這就行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].start |
14693.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].end |
14695.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].text |
怕死人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].start |
14695.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].end |
14697.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].start |
14697.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].end |
14699.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].text |
中油的大豆沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].start |
14699.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].end |
14701.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].text |
市占率只有7%而已 |
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14702 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].end |
14704 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].text |
愛太等待等7% |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].start |
14704.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].end |
14706.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].text |
其他九或三%都是民間的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].start |
14706.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].end |
14708.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].text |
剛才你說的公司也有現金 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].start |
14708.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].end |
14710.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].text |
那五間都都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].start |
14710.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].end |
14712.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].text |
那個比較實在的數字我不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].start |
14712.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].end |
14714.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].text |
但是比較實在的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].start |
14714.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].end |
14716.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].text |
中央先產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].start |
14716.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].end |
14718.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].text |
那五間現在聽起來就是他那七% |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].start |
14718.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].end |
14720.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].text |
都是第三方驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].start |
14720.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].end |
14722.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].text |
都是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].start |
14722.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].end |
14724.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].text |
他掛福茂的品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].start |
14724.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].end |
14726.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].text |
結果是中聯做出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].start |
14726.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].end |
14728.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].text |
搞不好連做都不做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].start |
14728.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].end |
14730.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].text |
就吃了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].start |
14728.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].end |
14730.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].text |
中聯一天出事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].start |
14730.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].end |
14732.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].text |
自己有辦法不報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].start |
14732.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].end |
14734.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].text |
叫食藥署公益太太 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].start |
14734.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].end |
14736.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].text |
都沒有去足批檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].start |
14736.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].end |
14738.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].text |
部長沒有去葬崗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].start |
14738.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].end |
14740.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].text |
要去取消 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].start |
14740.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].end |
14742.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].text |
我認為衛福部是有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].start |
14742.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].end |
14744.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].text |
所以現在是要天宮委 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].start |
14747.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].end |
14749.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].text |
聚焦聚焦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].start |
14750.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].end |
14752.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].text |
台中這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].start |
14752.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].end |
14754.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].text |
介紹要對人家的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].start |
14754.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].end |
14756.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].text |
有交代 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].start |
14756.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].end |
14758.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].text |
這些孩子都吃台中的藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].start |
14759.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].end |
14761.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].text |
第二台台中公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].start |
14761.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].end |
14763.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].text |
邊上時 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].start |
14763.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].end |
14765.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].text |
台中公司建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].start |
14765.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].end |
14767.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].text |
自己的包括自主檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].start |
14767.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].end |
14769.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].text |
的標準包括流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].start |
14769.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].end |
14771.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].text |
自身的標準第二 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].start |
14771.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].end |
14773.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].text |
就是說經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].start |
14773.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].end |
14775.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].text |
定期去查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].start |
14775.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].end |
14777.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].text |
審計會同政風 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].start |
14777.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].end |
14779.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].text |
單位去看他的採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].start |
14781.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].end |
14783.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].text |
有照採購法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].start |
14784.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].end |
14786.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].text |
採購是不是合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].start |
14786.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].end |
14788.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].text |
包括進出或等 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].start |
14788.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].end |
14790.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].text |
這個都會看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].start |
14789.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].end |
14791.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].text |
第三就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].start |
14791.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].end |
14793.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].text |
在年度的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].start |
14793.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].end |
14795.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].text |
結束的時候也會叫相關單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].start |
14795.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].end |
14797.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].text |
審計包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].start |
14797.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].end |
14799.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].text |
建制部議會的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].start |
14799.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].end |
14801.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].text |
去查國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].start |
14801.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].end |
14803.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].text |
目前為止台中出產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].start |
14803.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].end |
14805.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].text |
這個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].start |
14805.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].end |
14807.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].text |
原料一定要檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].start |
14807.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].end |
14809.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].text |
合格交代入台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].start |
14809.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].end |
14811.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].text |
的手裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].start |
14811.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].end |
14813.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].text |
另外他出產的這個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].start |
14813.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].end |
14815.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].text |
也要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].start |
14814.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].end |
14816.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].text |
特別是食品的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].start |
14816.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].end |
14818.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].text |
要通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].start |
14818.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].end |
14820.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].text |
食安法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].start |
14820.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].end |
14822.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].text |
我告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].start |
14822.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].end |
14824.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].text |
我們民間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].start |
14824.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].end |
14826.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].text |
民間對台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].start |
14826.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].end |
14828.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].text |
是真的無依賴的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].start |
14828.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].end |
14830.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].text |
這幾十年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].start |
14830.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].end |
14832.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].text |
很多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].start |
14832.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].end |
14834.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].text |
跟台中有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].start |
14834.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].end |
14836.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].text |
土地、食物這樣站 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].start |
14836.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].end |
14838.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].text |
所以對台中是有絕對的信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].start |
14838.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].end |
14840.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].text |
其他人不信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].start |
14840.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].end |
14842.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].text |
對台中信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].start |
14842.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].end |
14844.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].text |
具體建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].start |
14844.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].end |
14846.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].text |
具體建議就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].start |
14846.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].end |
14848.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].text |
台中自己美國買兩家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].start |
14848.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].end |
14850.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].text |
用費貴增 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].start |
14850.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].end |
14852.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].text |
拼這個保證 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].start |
14852.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].end |
14854.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].text |
你自己來客遊、客做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].start |
14854.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].end |
14856.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].text |
你擴廠、擴自己的場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].start |
14856.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].end |
14858.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].text |
台中那麼好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].start |
14858.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].end |
14860.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].text |
專大人想多得住 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].start |
14860.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].end |
14862.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].text |
一年來走這麼少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].start |
14862.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].end |
14864.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].text |
這走四人五萬多公斤的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].start |
14865.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].end |
14867.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].text |
市長你了解嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].start |
14867.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].end |
14869.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].text |
自己在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].start |
14869.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].end |
14871.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].text |
你不可以買中間的油瓶 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].start |
14871.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].end |
14873.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].text |
感謝威元支持台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].start |
14873.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].end |
14875.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].text |
絕對支持你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].start |
14875.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].end |
14877.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].text |
自己在客、買到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].start |
14877.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].end |
14879.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].text |
付食品給國昆、給孩子吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].start |
14879.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].end |
14881.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].text |
這樣吃的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].start |
14881.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].end |
14883.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].text |
家裡有保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].start |
14883.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].end |
14885.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].text |
你去市場買東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].start |
14885.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].end |
14887.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].text |
國外要交你二級 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].start |
14888.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].end |
14890.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].text |
感謝威元對台中愛上的信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].start |
14890.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].end |
14892.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].text |
現在這個年代 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].start |
14893.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].end |
14895.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].text |
也是講任性 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].start |
14895.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].end |
14897.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].text |
台中你是最老牌的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].start |
14897.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].end |
14899.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].text |
我們對你有絕對的信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].start |
14899.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].end |
14901.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].text |
不要做到我們被虛廢編撥 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].start |
14901.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].end |
14903.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].text |
真的是對不起國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].start |
14903.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].end |
14905.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].text |
市長我這樣強具體建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].start |
14905.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].end |
14907.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].text |
我總執行要再問他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].start |
14907.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].end |
14909.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].text |
感謝威元 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].start |
14914.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].end |
14916.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].text |
好,謝謝蘇貞前委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].start |
14916.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].end |
14918.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].text |
下一位請我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].start |
14918.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].end |
14920.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].text |
下一位鄉委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].start |
14929.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].end |
14931.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].text |
好,謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].start |
14931.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].end |
14933.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].text |
那有請石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].start |
14933.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].end |
14935.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].text |
還有江志剛署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].start |
14935.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].end |
14939.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].text |
以及那個賴建信常務次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].start |
14939.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].end |
14943.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].text |
還有我們食安辦的許甫主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].start |
14944.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].end |
14946.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].text |
調人好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].start |
14945.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].end |
14947.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].text |
部長好,部長我想要先問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].start |
14947.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].end |
14949.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].text |
石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].start |
14949.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].end |
14951.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].text |
今天我看到中石有刊載出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].start |
14951.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].end |
14955.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].text |
你們20%的決策的會議記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].start |
14955.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].end |
14957.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].text |
那我是想要請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].start |
14958.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].end |
14960.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].text |
到底有沒有分上下半場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].start |
14960.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].end |
14962.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].text |
你前面上次你說有分上下半場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].start |
14962.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].end |
14964.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].start |
14963.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].end |
14965.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].text |
他是兩個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].start |
14965.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].end |
14967.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].text |
就是上半場第一個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].start |
14967.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].end |
14971.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].text |
是在就這個中聯的事件進行了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].start |
14971.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].end |
14973.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].text |
那請問你上下半場你上次是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].start |
14973.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].end |
14975.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].text |
這個廠商是什麼時候獵食 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].start |
14977.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].end |
14979.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].text |
跟委員說因為這個會議不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].start |
14979.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].end |
14981.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].text |
我沒有出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].start |
14981.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].end |
14983.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].text |
那我是看這個會議的這個發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].start |
14983.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].end |
14987.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].text |
所以這個他進來的時候是上半場進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].start |
14989.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].end |
14991.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].text |
可是我看你們會議記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].start |
14991.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].end |
14993.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].text |
根本沒有上下半場啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].start |
14993.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].end |
14995.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].text |
你這個到底怎麼來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].start |
14995.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].end |
14997.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].text |
那部長你要不要老實一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].start |
14997.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].end |
14999.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].text |
我的理解是兩個議題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].start |
14999.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].end |
15001.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].text |
就是上半場下半場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].start |
15001.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].end |
15003.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].text |
部長我真的很擔心耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].start |
15003.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].end |
15007.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].text |
今天要嘛是你一直在找理由推脫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].start |
15007.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].end |
15009.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].text |
要嘛是你被架空 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].start |
15009.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].end |
15011.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].text |
因為我看到這個會議記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].start |
15011.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].end |
15013.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].text |
我覺得蠻神奇的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].start |
15013.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].end |
15015.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].text |
公布了名單之後啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].start |
15015.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].end |
15017.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].text |
我發現重點好像不只是誰出席了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].start |
15017.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].end |
15019.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].text |
而是誰沒有出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].start |
15019.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].end |
15023.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].text |
那我發現你們衛福部的本部沒有派人出席啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].start |
15023.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].end |
15025.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].text |
你們衛福部本部沒有人耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].start |
15026.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].end |
15028.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].text |
部長過去我們在開協調會的時候啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].start |
15028.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].end |
15030.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].text |
我常常我覺得你是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].start |
15030.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].end |
15032.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].text |
也算是親力親為喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].start |
15032.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].end |
15034.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].text |
很多協調會你都很重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].start |
15034.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].end |
15035.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].text |
你也會出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].start |
15035.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].end |
15037.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].text |
或是至少你部本部會派一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].start |
15037.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].end |
15039.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].text |
至少派個記政派個公務員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].start |
15039.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].end |
15041.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].text |
都要到場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].start |
15041.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].end |
15043.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].text |
結果這場會議你們本部沒有派一個人啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].start |
15044.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].end |
15046.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].text |
然後事後發生了之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].start |
15046.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].end |
15048.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].text |
我看你就一直要幫忙解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].start |
15048.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].end |
15050.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].text |
一直要幫忙拆彈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].start |
15049.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].end |
15051.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].text |
那你到底是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].start |
15051.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].end |
15053.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].text |
不知道不知情還是事後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].start |
15053.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].end |
15055.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].text |
一直想要找理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].start |
15055.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].end |
15057.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].text |
然後所以才講出很荒唐有上下半場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].start |
15057.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].end |
15059.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].text |
可是剛剛我聽到徐福主任說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].start |
15059.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].end |
15061.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].text |
是一整場對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].start |
15061.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].end |
15063.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].text |
一整場嘛那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].start |
15063.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].end |
15065.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].text |
這個廠商也是一整場練習嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].start |
15065.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].end |
15067.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].text |
對徐福主任也點頭嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].start |
15067.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].end |
15069.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].text |
其實這是現在政府讓人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].start |
15069.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].end |
15071.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].text |
最擔心的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].start |
15071.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].end |
15073.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].text |
就是出了事之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].start |
15073.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].end |
15075.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].text |
好像用掰的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].start |
15075.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].end |
15077.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].text |
然後你講到底有還是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].start |
15077.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].end |
15079.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].text |
所以我剛剛就講了上面有食安辦有派人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].start |
15079.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].end |
15081.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].text |
下面食藥署有人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].start |
15081.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].end |
15083.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].text |
廠商也有派人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].start |
15083.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].end |
15085.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].text |
那就你們本部沒有派人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].start |
15085.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].end |
15087.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].start |
15086.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].end |
15088.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].text |
你們當初你根本沒有人可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].start |
15088.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].end |
15090.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].text |
還原會議室內的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].start |
15090.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].end |
15092.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].text |
那你當時有意見你也不能講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].start |
15092.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].end |
15094.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].text |
然後你事後又要說你覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].start |
15094.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].end |
15096.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].text |
這個決策很奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].start |
15097.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].end |
15099.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].start |
15099.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].end |
15101.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].text |
這個是食安專家的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].start |
15101.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].end |
15103.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].text |
這是一個食安專家的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].start |
15103.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].end |
15105.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].text |
那你到底知不知情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].start |
15105.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].end |
15107.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].text |
開會的時候你知不知情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].start |
15107.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].end |
15109.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].text |
我知道開這場會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].start |
15109.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].end |
15111.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].text |
事前還是事後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].start |
15111.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].end |
15113.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].text |
事前我當然知道他有開這個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].start |
15113.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].end |
15115.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].text |
那你怎麼沒有派人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].start |
15115.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].end |
15117.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].text |
那因為過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].start |
15117.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].end |
15119.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].text |
食安的相關會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].start |
15119.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].end |
15121.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].text |
都是在食藥署這邊召開 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].start |
15121.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].end |
15123.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].text |
並沒有我們部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].start |
15123.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].end |
15125.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].text |
本部都不用派一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].start |
15125.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].end |
15127.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].text |
這個以往就是慣例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].start |
15127.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].end |
15129.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].text |
各項食安的風險評估會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].start |
15129.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].end |
15131.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].text |
都是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].start |
15131.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].end |
15133.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].text |
這個慣例也很奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].start |
15133.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].end |
15135.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].text |
這個東西部本部派一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].start |
15135.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].end |
15137.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].text |
練習知道發生什麼事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].start |
15137.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].end |
15139.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].text |
食藥署知道發生什麼事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].start |
15139.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].end |
15141.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].text |
不是很正常的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].start |
15141.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].end |
15143.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].text |
因為這個是定位在一個食安的專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].start |
15143.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].end |
15145.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].text |
所以你知道看起來是怎麼樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].start |
15145.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].end |
15147.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].text |
看起來我今天看到會議紀錄的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].start |
15146.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].end |
15148.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].text |
部本部沒有派人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].start |
15148.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].end |
15150.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].text |
然後看起來好像部長好像不知情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].start |
15150.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].end |
15152.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].text |
然後事後今天來在這裡質詢台上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].start |
15152.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].end |
15154.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].text |
大家質疑你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].start |
15154.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].end |
15156.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].text |
然後你一直解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].start |
15156.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].end |
15158.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].text |
好那我想要請教一下這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].start |
15158.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].end |
15160.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].text |
我們請一下江志剛署長好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].start |
15161.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].end |
15163.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].text |
署長我想要請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].start |
15163.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].end |
15165.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].text |
這個你剛剛有說會議紀錄是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].start |
15165.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].end |
15167.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].text |
這20%只是建議是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].start |
15168.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].end |
15170.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].start |
15170.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].end |
15172.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].text |
這個會議裡面其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].start |
15172.66 |
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你告訴我我剛剛聽到你講說這只是專家建議 |
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15174.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].end |
15176.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].text |
對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].start |
15176.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].end |
15178.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].text |
獨立跟現在遇到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].start |
15178.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].end |
15180.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].text |
BAP沒關係署長你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].start |
15180.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].end |
15182.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].text |
就回答我你是不是說這個會議的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].start |
15182.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].end |
15184.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].text |
專家只是建議專家裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].start |
15184.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].end |
15186.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].text |
說明討論完會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].start |
15186.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].end |
15188.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].text |
結論是什麼樣的結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].start |
15188.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].end |
15190.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].text |
結論是建議嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].start |
15190.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].end |
15192.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].text |
那是誰學測20% |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].start |
15192.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].end |
15194.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].text |
結論這整體的結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].start |
15194.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].end |
15196.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].text |
之後我們針對這個結論之後進一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].start |
15196.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].end |
15198.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].text |
的去研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].start |
15198.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].end |
15200.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].text |
是誰決測的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].start |
15200.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].end |
15202.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].text |
是誰決測這20% |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].start |
15202.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].end |
15204.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].text |
這個決測是整個專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].start |
15204.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].end |
15206.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].text |
確定下來的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].start |
15206.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].end |
15208.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].text |
可是你剛剛又說建議到底是誰決測 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].start |
15208.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].end |
15210.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].text |
因為你們這樣推來推去我也覺得專家學者很衰 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].start |
15210.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].end |
15212.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].text |
好像都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].start |
15212.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].end |
15214.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].text |
行政官員的事誰決測也不講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].start |
15214.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].end |
15216.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].text |
最後說這是專家會議決測的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].start |
15216.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].end |
15218.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].text |
到底是決測還是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].start |
15219.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].end |
15221.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].text |
署長可以回答嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].start |
15221.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].end |
15223.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].text |
署長等一下我先問署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].start |
15223.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].end |
15225.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].text |
因為你不在場你當天不在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].start |
15225.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].end |
15227.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].text |
是他們整體的結論是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].start |
15227.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].end |
15229.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].text |
結論是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].start |
15229.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].end |
15231.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].text |
但是總是有個行政官員要決測 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].start |
15231.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].end |
15233.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].text |
對結論是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].start |
15233.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].end |
15235.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].text |
有這個結論結論之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].start |
15235.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].end |
15237.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].text |
其實在行政裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].start |
15237.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].end |
15239.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].text |
長官跟情職都有去了解這個內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].start |
15239.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].end |
15241.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].text |
你不能講誰決測的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].start |
15241.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].end |
15243.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].text |
我問一下那個學府主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].start |
15243.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].end |
15245.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].text |
請問你當天在現場他到底是建議還是決測 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].start |
15245.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].end |
15247.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].text |
那是誰決測 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].start |
15247.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].end |
15249.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].text |
好這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].start |
15249.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].end |
15251.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].text |
專家會議的功能是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].start |
15251.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].end |
15253.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].text |
建議性質 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].start |
15253.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].end |
15255.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].text |
政策上面該怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].start |
15255.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].end |
15257.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].text |
並不是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].start |
15257.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].end |
15259.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].text |
專家講了就怎麼算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].start |
15259.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].end |
15261.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].text |
所以在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].start |
15261.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].end |
15263.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].text |
就像署長剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].start |
15263.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].end |
15265.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].text |
在會議上面是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].start |
15265.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].end |
15267.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].text |
是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].start |
15266.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].end |
15268.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].text |
有結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].start |
15268.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].end |
15270.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].text |
然後作為主管機關參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].start |
15270.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].end |
15272.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].text |
就是作為我們政府機關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].start |
15272.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].end |
15274.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].text |
參考所以今天像 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].start |
15274.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].end |
15276.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].text |
報宅也有講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].start |
15276.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].end |
15278.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].text |
有議策說是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].start |
15278.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].end |
15280.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].text |
院長有指示 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].start |
15280.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].end |
15282.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].text |
事實上完全沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].start |
15282.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].end |
15284.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].text |
那到底是誰決測的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].start |
15284.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].end |
15286.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].text |
你講了一大半天你沒有講誰決測 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].start |
15286.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].end |
15288.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].text |
所以你石安辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].start |
15288.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].end |
15290.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].text |
從頭到尾代表行政院你在現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].start |
15290.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].end |
15292.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].text |
你也代表行政院最高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].start |
15292.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].end |
15294.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].text |
跨部會協調的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].start |
15294.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].end |
15296.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].text |
這個單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].start |
15296.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].end |
15298.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].text |
所以誰決測的你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].start |
15298.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].end |
15300.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].text |
不能夠承擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].start |
15300.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].end |
15302.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].text |
沒有決測 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].start |
15302.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].end |
15304.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].text |
所以後續是誰決測就是署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].start |
15304.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].end |
15306.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].text |
自己講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].start |
15306.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].end |
15308.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].text |
是署長決測的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].start |
15308.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].end |
15310.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].text |
還是行政院院長知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].start |
15311.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].end |
15313.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].text |
這部分其實都有跟我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].start |
15313.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].end |
15315.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].text |
部裡面的內部都有做報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].start |
15315.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].end |
15317.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].text |
那你也有跟行政院報告對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].start |
15317.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].end |
15319.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].start |
15319.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].end |
15321.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].text |
按石安法中央主管機關就是衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].start |
15321.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].end |
15323.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].text |
所以這個專家所做出的決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].start |
15323.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].end |
15325.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].text |
大家的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].start |
15325.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].end |
15327.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].text |
就作為我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].start |
15327.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].end |
15329.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].text |
後續在處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].start |
15329.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].end |
15331.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].text |
各項的預防性下架的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].start |
15331.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].end |
15333.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].text |
一個決測的參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].start |
15335.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].end |
15337.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].text |
那對阿 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].start |
15337.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].end |
15339.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].text |
但是你們還是沒有告訴我誰決測 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].start |
15339.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].end |
15341.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].text |
部長那我想請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].start |
15341.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].end |
15343.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].text |
因為當初你也講說你覺得這個決測怪怪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].start |
15343.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].end |
15345.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].text |
那你是一個醫者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].start |
15345.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].end |
15347.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].text |
醫者良心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].start |
15347.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].end |
15349.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].text |
那以國人的石安最高標準的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].start |
15349.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].end |
15351.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].text |
如果你當場當初在這個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].start |
15351.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].end |
15353.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].text |
之後你還會做出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].start |
15353.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].end |
15355.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].text |
這種20%以下不用下架的決定嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].start |
15355.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].end |
15357.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].text |
我想還原一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].start |
15357.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].end |
15359.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].text |
因為一開始是只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].start |
15359.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].end |
15361.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].text |
第一層的油品下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].start |
15361.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].end |
15363.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].text |
那個是106年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].start |
15363.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].end |
15365.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].text |
那當時我說我覺得怪怪的是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].start |
15365.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].end |
15367.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].text |
有一些即使是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].start |
15367.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].end |
15369.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].text |
第二層的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].start |
15369.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].end |
15371.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].text |
第二層的加工食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].start |
15371.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].end |
15373.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].text |
他還是會以油的形式主戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].start |
15373.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].end |
15375.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].text |
部長你沒有回答我的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].start |
15375.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].end |
15377.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].text |
你不用再解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].start |
15377.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].end |
15379.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].text |
專家會議把它擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].start |
15379.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].end |
15381.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].text |
我只是一直很好奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].start |
15381.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].end |
15383.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].text |
第一個你部本部沒派人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].start |
15383.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].end |
15385.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].text |
你也不曉得當場的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].start |
15385.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].end |
15387.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].text |
然後事後你又要一直找一堆東西來解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].start |
15387.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].end |
15389.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].text |
來收尾 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].start |
15389.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].end |
15391.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].text |
我很想要知道到底是誰決測的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].start |
15391.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].end |
15393.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].text |
那我現在有請經濟部次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].start |
15394.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].end |
15396.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].text |
次長這個台糖自己也公佈說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].start |
15396.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].end |
15398.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].text |
5月11日這個前往 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].start |
15398.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].end |
15400.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].text |
中聯有指的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].start |
15400.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].end |
15402.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].text |
風潮採樣反正他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].start |
15402.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].end |
15404.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].text |
報告就是超標啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].start |
15404.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].end |
15406.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].text |
好那現在之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].start |
15406.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].end |
15408.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].text |
這個又向廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].start |
15408.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].end |
15410.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].text |
陸續收了兩百 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].start |
15410.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].end |
15414.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].text |
兩百一二零一萬的四千公斤的原料啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].start |
15414.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].end |
15416.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].text |
那但是經濟部後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].start |
15416.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].end |
15418.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].text |
又在說什麼這就像是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].start |
15418.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].end |
15420.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].text |
餐廳採購人員在菜市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].start |
15420.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].end |
15422.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].text |
看到爛菜葉不需要什麼都通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].start |
15424.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].end |
15426.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].text |
我想要請問一下這是經濟部的官方立場嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].start |
15428.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].end |
15430.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].text |
首先跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].start |
15430.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].end |
15432.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].text |
那經濟部對於台糖公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].start |
15432.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].end |
15434.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].text |
他履行合約 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].start |
15434.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].end |
15436.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].text |
履行法規這是經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].start |
15436.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].end |
15438.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].text |
一直是要求我們國營事業是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].start |
15438.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].end |
15440.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].text |
但為什麼你們經濟部當初要這樣子講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].start |
15440.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].end |
15442.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].text |
基本上5月15日 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].start |
15442.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].end |
15444.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].text |
通過第三方的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].start |
15444.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].end |
15446.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].text |
驗證報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].start |
15446.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].end |
15448.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].text |
認為這一批的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].start |
15448.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].end |
15450.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].text |
你們經濟部這句話我講給你聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].start |
15450.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].end |
15452.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].text |
這個是不倫不類的比喻 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].start |
15452.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].end |
15454.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].text |
中聯不是路邊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].start |
15454.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].end |
15456.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].text |
陌生攤販是國內的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].start |
15456.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].end |
15458.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].text |
黃豆加工跟食用油紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].start |
15458.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].end |
15460.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].text |
的大型製造商 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].start |
15460.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].end |
15462.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].text |
台糖是國營企業也不是餐廳的採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].start |
15462.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].end |
15464.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].text |
那現在經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].start |
15464.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].end |
15466.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].text |
用這個隱喻失當 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].start |
15466.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].end |
15468.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].text |
所以你現在還是認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].start |
15468.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].end |
15470.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].text |
這個沒有義務通報毒油台糖是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].start |
15470.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].end |
15472.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].text |
高標準的乖寶寶嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].start |
15472.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].end |
15474.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].text |
然後第二個我想要請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].start |
15474.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].end |
15476.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].text |
哪一種青菜啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].start |
15476.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].end |
15478.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].text |
會產生本扁皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].start |
15478.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].end |
15480.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].text |
你把腐爛的菜葉比喻成 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].start |
15480.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].end |
15482.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].text |
這個致癌的物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].start |
15482.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].end |
15484.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].text |
請問有科學根據嗎還是有專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].start |
15484.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].end |
15486.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].text |
會議嗎腐爛的菜葉 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].start |
15486.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].end |
15488.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].text |
就像是九評芝麻館裡面講的一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].start |
15488.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].end |
15490.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].text |
那也很明顯就是長那個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].start |
15490.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].end |
15492.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].text |
當然一般人不會吃嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].start |
15492.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].end |
15494.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].text |
但是本扁皮是沒有辦法知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].start |
15494.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].end |
15496.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].text |
沒有辦法肉眼分出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].start |
15496.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].end |
15498.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].text |
是不是次長你這個部分你有沒有覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].start |
15498.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].end |
15500.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].text |
你們當初的這個比喻是隱喻失當 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].start |
15500.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].end |
15502.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].text |
首先跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].start |
15502.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].end |
15504.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].text |
不符合台糖允說標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].start |
15504.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].end |
15506.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].text |
材料這些材料都還在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].start |
15506.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].end |
15508.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].text |
這個中聯的311廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].start |
15509.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].end |
15511.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].text |
這是第一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].start |
15512.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].end |
15514.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].text |
這個所謂的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].start |
15514.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].end |
15516.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].text |
這個我都知道喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].start |
15516.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].end |
15518.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].text |
這個出膠原油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].start |
15518.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].end |
15520.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].text |
事實上它的用途啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].start |
15520.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].end |
15522.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].text |
包括是工業的添加劑也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].start |
15522.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].end |
15524.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].text |
或是說是製造潤滑油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].start |
15524.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].end |
15526.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].text |
製造肥皂都好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].start |
15526.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].end |
15528.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].text |
你講到這個我就馬上想要打臉你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].start |
15528.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].end |
15530.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].text |
剛剛台糖的人就說他們拿這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].start |
15530.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].end |
15532.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].text |
出膠原油就是要來做他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].start |
15532.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].end |
15534.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].text |
大豆沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].start |
15534.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].end |
15536.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].text |
那你這個你等於是想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].start |
15537.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].end |
15539.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].text |
想要把它模糊掉嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].start |
15539.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].end |
15541.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].text |
當然它可以做很多東西啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].start |
15541.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].end |
15543.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].text |
很多化學物質都可以做很多東西啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].start |
15543.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].end |
15545.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].text |
但是在於台糖的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].start |
15545.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].end |
15547.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].text |
賣方的提供者他可以去做這些的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].start |
15547.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].end |
15549.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].text |
那我問你這個中聯油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].start |
15549.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].end |
15551.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].text |
除了做這個食用油之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].start |
15551.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].end |
15553.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].text |
他有拿去做肥皂嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].start |
15553.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].end |
15555.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].text |
他也沒有嘛那我想要講的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].start |
15555.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].end |
15557.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].text |
是針對你們台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].start |
15557.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].end |
15559.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].text |
他就是拿這個要來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].start |
15559.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].end |
15561.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].text |
大豆沙拉油嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].start |
15561.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].end |
15563.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].text |
那我就問經濟部這次台糖的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].start |
15563.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].end |
15567.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].text |
有沒有影響相關產業上下游的事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].start |
15567.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].end |
15569.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].text |
然後還有供需或民生 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].start |
15569.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].end |
15571.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].text |
你認為這起毒油案有沒有影響到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].start |
15571.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].end |
15573.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].text |
台糖的事業形象 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].start |
15574.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].end |
15576.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].text |
有關於影響到台糖的這個商譽的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].start |
15576.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].end |
15578.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].text |
因為台糖的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].start |
15578.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].end |
15580.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].text |
都經過第三方驗證都是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].start |
15580.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].end |
15582.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].text |
那現在有一方性下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].start |
15582.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].end |
15584.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].text |
那對未來台糖會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].start |
15584.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].end |
15586.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].text |
輕點相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].start |
15586.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].end |
15588.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].text |
這個這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].start |
15588.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].end |
15590.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].text |
所以市長我就想要請教啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].start |
15590.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].end |
15592.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].text |
市長因為依照經濟部所屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].start |
15592.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].end |
15594.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].text |
事業各類災害及緊急事件的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].start |
15594.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].end |
15596.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].text |
速報程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].start |
15596.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].end |
15598.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].text |
第三條第五款第一項跟第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].start |
15598.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].end |
15600.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].text |
你剛剛也有說這可能會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].start |
15600.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].end |
15602.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].text |
可能有這個疑慮啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].start |
15602.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].end |
15604.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].text |
然後未來如果發生這個真的有影響到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].start |
15604.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].end |
15606.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].text |
這個事業形象的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].start |
15606.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].end |
15608.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].text |
等等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].start |
15608.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].end |
15610.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].text |
但是依照你們的那個規定啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].start |
15610.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].end |
15612.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].text |
你們的規則就是說你一小時內 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].start |
15612.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].end |
15614.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].text |
要通報國營會其他主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].start |
15614.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].end |
15616.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].text |
或地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].start |
15617.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].end |
15619.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].text |
你覺得這個這個按鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].start |
15619.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].end |
15621.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].text |
是不是用嗎還是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].start |
15621.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].end |
15623.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].text |
涉及到四大國營企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].start |
15623.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].end |
15625.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].text |
經濟部所管的國營企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].start |
15625.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].end |
15627.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].text |
然後有跟災害防救法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].start |
15627.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].end |
15629.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].text |
有關係的所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].start |
15629.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].end |
15631.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].text |
事故或是意外的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].start |
15631.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].end |
15633.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].text |
他依照這個內部的作業規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].start |
15633.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].end |
15635.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].text |
會去通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].start |
15635.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].end |
15637.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].text |
那你內部有這個作業規則啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].start |
15637.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].end |
15639.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].text |
回到今天這個主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].start |
15639.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].end |
15641.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].text |
台中地方法院已經很清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].start |
15641.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].end |
15643.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].text |
在他的八月一號的新聞稿裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].start |
15643.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].end |
15645.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].text |
有提到當台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].start |
15645.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].end |
15647.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].text |
驗出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].start |
15647.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].end |
15649.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].text |
退貨第三方這個公證 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].start |
15649.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].end |
15651.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].text |
驗出來的這個結果的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].start |
15651.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].end |
15653.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].text |
他有跟福茂講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].start |
15653.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].end |
15655.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].text |
而且地方法院也認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].start |
15655.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].end |
15657.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].text |
包括福茂跟中聯他必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].start |
15657.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].end |
15659.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].text |
所以我跟你檢討的是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].start |
15659.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].end |
15661.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].text |
中聯的部分當然他現在調查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].start |
15661.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].end |
15663.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].text |
我跟你檢討的是台糖他知道這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].start |
15663.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].end |
15665.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].text |
如果他當時就依照你們的程序通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].start |
15665.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].end |
15667.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].text |
他是有可能讓這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].start |
15667.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].end |
15669.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].text |
提早發現的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].start |
15669.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].end |
15671.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].text |
這個部分中央地方國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].start |
15671.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].end |
15673.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].text |
這個環節裡面這都是現在要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].start |
15673.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].end |
15675.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].text |
檢討的事件所以我剛剛跟你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].start |
15675.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].end |
15677.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].text |
講的就是這個點好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].start |
15677.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].end |
15679.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].text |
那再來我請一下衛福部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].start |
15681.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].end |
15683.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].text |
部長你自己八月二號的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].start |
15683.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].end |
15685.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].text |
也才說台糖是為了落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].start |
15685.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].end |
15687.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].text |
HACCP對原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].start |
15687.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].end |
15689.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].text |
出交原油訂出允收 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].start |
15689.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].end |
15691.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].text |
的檢驗標準對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].start |
15691.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].end |
15693.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].text |
對嘛對那你自己嘴裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].start |
15693.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].end |
15695.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].text |
都說它是原料啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].start |
15695.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].end |
15697.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].text |
對吧它是原料嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].start |
15697.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].end |
15699.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].text |
就台糖來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].start |
15699.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].end |
15701.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].text |
那個是它的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].start |
15701.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].end |
15703.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].text |
對啊它是原料沒有錯嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].start |
15703.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].end |
15705.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].text |
在你們主管的這個食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].start |
15705.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].end |
15707.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].text |
良好衛生規範準則 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].start |
15707.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].end |
15709.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].text |
的第三條白紙黑字的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].start |
15709.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].end |
15711.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].text |
定義原料是指成品的構成材料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].start |
15711.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].end |
15713.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].text |
那出交原油就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].start |
15713.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].end |
15715.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].text |
在台糖來講就是大豆沙拉油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].start |
15715.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].end |
15717.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].text |
成品的構成材料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].start |
15717.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].end |
15719.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].text |
那食安法第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].start |
15719.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].end |
15721.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].text |
用明定的食品包含其原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].start |
15721.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].end |
15723.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].text |
請問部長這個過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].start |
15723.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].end |
15725.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].text |
這個法規對原料的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].start |
15725.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].end |
15727.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].text |
是很明確的啊那為什麼我剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].start |
15727.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].end |
15729.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].text |
看到你跟很多的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].start |
15729.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].end |
15731.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].text |
在爭論怎麼到台糖出事這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].start |
15731.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].end |
15733.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].text |
出交原油就剛剛說到好像 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].start |
15733.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].end |
15735.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].text |
又可以擴大解釋不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].start |
15735.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].end |
15737.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].text |
原料都變成是所謂的半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].start |
15737.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].end |
15739.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].text |
到底是法律變了還是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].start |
15739.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].end |
15741.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].text |
我在跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].start |
15741.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].end |
15743.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].text |
我們對於不可添加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].start |
15743.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].end |
15745.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].text |
不能檢出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].start |
15745.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].end |
15747.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].text |
不論是在原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].start |
15747.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].end |
15749.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].text |
或者是在產品這個都是違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].start |
15749.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].end |
15751.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].text |
就是通報但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].start |
15751.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].end |
15753.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].start |
15752.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].end |
15754.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].text |
貶平比是食品安全衛生標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].start |
15754.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].end |
15756.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].text |
我們所訂的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].start |
15756.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].end |
15758.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].text |
食用油脂的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].start |
15758.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].end |
15760.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].text |
部長我想請問一下你剛剛有委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].start |
15760.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].end |
15762.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].text |
在問你啦你剛剛有指你剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].start |
15762.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].end |
15764.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].text |
是不是有舉例說什麼豬排的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].start |
15764.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].end |
15766.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].text |
豬排的這個比喻你可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].start |
15766.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].end |
15768.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].text |
再講一次嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].start |
15768.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].end |
15770.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].text |
一樣的道理這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].start |
15770.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].end |
15772.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].text |
生豬肉那麼他要做成 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].start |
15772.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].end |
15774.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].text |
是個豬排他豬排要上市 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].start |
15774.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].end |
15776.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].text |
所以這個中間呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].start |
15777.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].end |
15779.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].text |
我們管的是你最後這個產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].start |
15779.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].end |
15781.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].text |
不可以有生菌超量 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].start |
15781.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].end |
15783.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].text |
但是你中間一定會去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].start |
15783.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].end |
15785.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].text |
所以你不會用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].start |
15785.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].end |
15787.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].text |
用生豬肉就來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].start |
15787.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].end |
15789.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].text |
就來通報說這個有生菌 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].start |
15789.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].end |
15791.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].text |
部長我真的是越聽越覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].start |
15791.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].end |
15793.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].text |
你們事後之後你一直擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].start |
15793.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].end |
15795.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].text |
用你的行政解釋去幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].start |
15795.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].end |
15797.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].text |
捍衛和解釋現在的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].start |
15797.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].end |
15799.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].text |
你剛剛講到這個那我問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].start |
15799.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].end |
15801.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].text |
你知道保齡茶室的時候他食物中毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].start |
15801.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].end |
15803.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].text |
的元兇是什麼菌嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].start |
15803.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].end |
15805.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].text |
他是不是有可能在製作的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].start |
15805.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].end |
15807.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].text |
他會造成對人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].start |
15807.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].end |
15809.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].text |
對人民食品安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].start |
15809.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].end |
15811.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].text |
毒害 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].start |
15810.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].end |
15812.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].text |
因為他本身就是食品了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].start |
15812.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].end |
15814.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].text |
他本身就是食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].start |
15814.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].end |
15816.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].text |
這些菌他在環境裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].start |
15816.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].end |
15818.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].text |
是會發生變化的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].start |
15818.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].end |
15820.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].text |
會傷害到我們人民的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].start |
15820.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].end |
15822.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].text |
食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].start |
15822.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].end |
15824.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].text |
所以我接下來就想要請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].start |
15824.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].end |
15826.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].text |
那沒有因為剛剛已經講是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].start |
15826.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].end |
15828.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].text |
那你們食藥署在2024年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].start |
15828.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].end |
15830.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].text |
3月11號的新聞稿裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].start |
15830.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].end |
15832.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].text |
白紙黑字的也寫著食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].start |
15832.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].end |
15834.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].text |
於發現原料或 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].start |
15834.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].end |
15836.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].text |
產品有危害衛生安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].start |
15836.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].end |
15838.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].text |
之餘應該主動的停止 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].start |
15838.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].end |
15840.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].text |
製造加工販賣及辦理回收 |
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15840.76 |
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15842.76 |
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並通報主管機關 |
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15842.76 |
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15844.76 |
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這你們白紙黑字講過啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].start |
15844.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].end |
15846.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].text |
所以剛剛講了在台一堂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].start |
15846.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].end |
15848.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].text |
的事件裡他算是他的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].start |
15848.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].end |
15850.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].text |
你剛剛自己也講是他的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].start |
15850.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].end |
15852.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].text |
那為什麼突然又變來變去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].start |
15852.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].end |
15854.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].text |
那到底什麼情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].start |
15854.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].end |
15856.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].text |
要做通報呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].start |
15856.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].end |
15858.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].text |
我們是分成兩類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].start |
15858.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].end |
15860.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].text |
一種是不得添加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].start |
15860.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].end |
15862.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].text |
像蘇丹紅那個是不得添加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].start |
15862.76 |
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15864.76 |
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所以那個沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].start |
15864.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].end |
15866.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].text |
另外是定有標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].start |
15866.76 |
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15868.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].text |
那你就要看這個標準定在哪裡 |
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15868.76 |
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15870.76 |
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這就是我一直講的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].start |
15870.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].end |
15872.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].text |
你現在一直用你的行政權去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].start |
15872.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].end |
15874.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].text |
不是在脫交線 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].start |
15874.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].end |
15876.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].text |
你一直用你的行政權去做這種解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].start |
15876.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].end |
15878.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].text |
這個白紙黑字 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].start |
15878.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].end |
15880.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].text |
我們前面已經講出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].start |
15880.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].end |
15882.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].text |
你們當初就已經講過新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].start |
15882.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].end |
15884.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].text |
你就用這一段文字來講就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].start |
15884.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].end |
15886.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].text |
食品業者發現原料或產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].start |
15886.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].end |
15888.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].text |
有危害衛生安全之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].start |
15888.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].end |
15890.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].text |
應主動停止製造加工販賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].start |
15890.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].end |
15892.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].text |
跟辦理回收並通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].start |
15892.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].end |
15894.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].text |
這句話是不是清清楚白 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].start |
15894.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].end |
15896.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].text |
很明白的這段文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].start |
15896.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].end |
15898.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].text |
很明白是這樣子啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].start |
15898.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].end |
15900.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].text |
我在跟委員說明就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].start |
15900.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].end |
15902.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].text |
台糖來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].start |
15902.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].end |
15904.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].text |
如果有機會可以早一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].start |
15904.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].end |
15906.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].text |
介入當然是好事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].start |
15906.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].end |
15908.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].text |
但是如果依法論法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].start |
15908.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].end |
15910.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].text |
你要去裁罰他的時候你就必須看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].start |
15910.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].end |
15912.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].text |
說他違反的是哪個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].start |
15912.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].end |
15914.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].text |
我們定的標準是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].start |
15914.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].end |
15916.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].text |
食用油就有標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].start |
15916.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].end |
15918.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].text |
並不是脫交原油的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].start |
15920.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].end |
15922.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].text |
所以你現在脫交原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].start |
15922.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].end |
15924.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].text |
所以我一直在說嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].start |
15924.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].end |
15926.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].text |
你就是一直把它混在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].start |
15926.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].end |
15928.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].text |
想要扣他解釋就想要推諉謝責 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].start |
15928.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].end |
15930.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].text |
我們覺得食品安全你們不是一直在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].start |
15930.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].end |
15932.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].text |
就是人民的最高食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].start |
15932.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].end |
15934.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].text |
是沒有妥協空間的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].start |
15934.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].end |
15936.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].text |
可是你們現在一直讓人民感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].start |
15936.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].end |
15938.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].text |
就是你不斷的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].start |
15938.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].end |
15940.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].text |
還有其他的用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].start |
15940.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].end |
15942.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].text |
所以我們必須脫交原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].start |
15942.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].end |
15944.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].text |
有別人可能脫交原油是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].start |
15944.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].end |
15946.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].text |
但是在台糖的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].start |
15946.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].end |
15948.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].text |
他就是要拿來做大多沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].start |
15948.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].end |
15950.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].text |
他就是食品的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].start |
15950.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].end |
15952.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].text |
所以他拿回去的都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].start |
15952.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].end |
15954.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].text |
他符合他的運送標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].start |
15954.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].end |
15956.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].text |
但是他發現了這個原料有問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].start |
15956.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].end |
15958.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].text |
他發現了原料有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].start |
15958.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].end |
15960.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].text |
剛剛你那句話就講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].start |
15960.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].end |
15962.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].text |
他就要去通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].start |
15962.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].end |
15964.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].text |
我們原料也沒有定本便宜標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].start |
15964.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].end |
15966.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].text |
就像黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].start |
15966.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].end |
15968.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].text |
真正的原料是黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].start |
15968.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].end |
15970.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].text |
黃豆我們沒有定本便宜標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].start |
15970.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].end |
15972.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].text |
部長我再念一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].start |
15972.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].end |
15974.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].text |
食品業者於發現原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].start |
15974.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].end |
15976.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].text |
或產品有危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].start |
15976.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].end |
15978.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].text |
危害衛生安全之餘時 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].start |
15978.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].end |
15982.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].text |
應主動停止製造加工販賣及辦理回收並通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].start |
15982.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].end |
15984.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].text |
這句話到底哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].start |
15984.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].end |
15986.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].text |
你可以一直這樣子解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].start |
15986.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].end |
15988.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].text |
你當然可以去講說他根本沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].start |
15988.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].end |
15990.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].text |
我們定的安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].start |
15990.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].end |
15992.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].text |
針對的是食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].start |
15992.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].end |
15994.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].text |
最終的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].start |
15994.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].end |
15996.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].text |
並不是原料標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].start |
16003.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].end |
16005.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].start |
16007.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].end |
16009.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].text |
蔡主任檢察官好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].start |
16009.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].end |
16011.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].text |
部長 二個法務部的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].start |
16011.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].end |
16013.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].text |
主任檢察官 我想請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].start |
16013.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].end |
16015.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].text |
高檢署的主任檢察官陳宏達 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].start |
16015.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].end |
16017.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].text |
在八月三日的所有公開表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].start |
16017.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].end |
16019.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].text |
通報不是行政機關的會是法律明定的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].start |
16021.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].end |
16023.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].text |
他更警告法治國最大的危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].start |
16023.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].end |
16025.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].text |
不是法律沒有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].start |
16025.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].end |
16027.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].text |
而是有法不依 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].start |
16027.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].end |
16029.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].text |
或以行政解釋架空法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].start |
16029.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].end |
16031.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].text |
我剛剛全部的部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].start |
16031.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].end |
16033.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].text |
這樣問完之後各自解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].start |
16033.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].end |
16035.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].text |
那也連媒體聯合報社論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].start |
16035.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].end |
16037.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].text |
也說這一巴掌是打在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].start |
16037.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].end |
16039.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].text |
衛福部跟經濟部的臉上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].start |
16039.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].end |
16041.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].text |
我想要請教一下法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].start |
16041.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].end |
16043.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].text |
第一個陳宏達主任檢察官 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].start |
16043.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].end |
16045.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].text |
這兩句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].start |
16044.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].end |
16046.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].text |
站在你的立場 法務部同不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].start |
16047.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].end |
16049.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].text |
我想說應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].start |
16049.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].end |
16051.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].text |
每個人對於有關於國民健康權益的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].start |
16051.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].end |
16053.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].text |
都會有他自己的解讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].start |
16053.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].end |
16055.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].text |
那你同不同意他的這個說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].start |
16055.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].end |
16057.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].text |
對於個案裁罰的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].start |
16057.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].end |
16059.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].text |
我們想還是應該要尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].start |
16059.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].end |
16061.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].text |
主管機關的權責解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].start |
16061.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].end |
16063.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].text |
那法務部你同不同意剛剛這個陳宏達 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].start |
16063.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].end |
16065.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].text |
主任檢察官的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].start |
16065.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].end |
16067.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].text |
我們尊重主管機關的權責解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].start |
16067.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].end |
16069.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].text |
所以你不回答 |
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16069.33 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5795].text |
同意或不同意 那第二個 |
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16072.91 |
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16074.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].text |
我想要請問一下台中地院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].start |
16074.91 |
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16076.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].text |
裁定收押中聯廠長的理由 |
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16076.91 |
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16078.91 |
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就是他5月接獲台糖通知 |
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16078.91 |
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16080.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].text |
超標卻未通報 |
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16080.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].end |
16082.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].text |
那現在經濟部衛福部也對外宣稱說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].start |
16082.91 |
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16084.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].text |
原料由依法免通報 |
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16084.91 |
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16086.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].text |
那請問法務部 |
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16086.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].end |
16088.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].text |
偵查進行中 |
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16088.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].end |
16090.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].text |
行政機關發表跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].start |
16090.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].end |
16092.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].text |
法院裁定理由相反的法律解釋 |
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16092.91 |
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16094.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].text |
會不會影響偵辦 |
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16094.92 |
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16096.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].text |
那檢察官認定通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].start |
16096.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].end |
16098.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].text |
是依食安法的條文還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].start |
16098.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].end |
16100.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].text |
依部會的新聞稿和臉書貼文 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].start |
16100.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].end |
16102.92 |
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我相信我們檢察機關 |
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16102.92 |
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16104.92 |
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還是會依照法律的規定 |
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16104.92 |
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16106.92 |
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去蒐集證據 |
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16106.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].end |
16108.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].text |
依法偵辦 |
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16108.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].end |
16110.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].text |
不會受到其他的影響 |
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16110.92 |
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16112.92 |
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是 所以我覺得各部會 |
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16112.92 |
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16114.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].text |
這樣子提早的不斷的 |
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16114.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].end |
16116.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].text |
幫忙解釋 我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].start |
16116.92 |
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16118.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].text |
他有影響偵辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].start |
16118.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].end |
16120.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].text |
好像有在拋風向影響偵辦之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].start |
16120.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].end |
16122.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].text |
我想說這個是委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].start |
16122.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].end |
16124.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].text |
這個 我們希望不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].start |
16124.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].end |
16126.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].text |
我們希望不要 我們檢察機關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].start |
16126.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].end |
16128.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].text |
檢察機關是不會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].start |
16128.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].end |
16130.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].text |
好 所以我想要講的最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].start |
16130.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].end |
16132.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].text |
我要結語了 部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].start |
16132.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].end |
16134.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].text |
還有各位長官 行政機關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].start |
16134.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].end |
16136.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].text |
其實同一批驗出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].start |
16136.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].end |
16138.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].text |
一級之來超標的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].start |
16138.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].end |
16140.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].text |
這些有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].start |
16139.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].end |
16141.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].text |
在大家看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].start |
16141.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].end |
16143.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].text |
就是有三種說法 一下子他到底是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].start |
16143.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].end |
16145.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].text |
產品 8月2號的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].start |
16145.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].end |
16147.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].text |
台中說他不是產品 所以不是用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].start |
16147.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].end |
16149.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].text |
食安法第七條第五項的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].start |
16149.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].end |
16151.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].text |
義務 那部長8月2號的時候說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].start |
16151.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].end |
16153.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].text |
這個是針對食用有品 所以他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].start |
16153.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].end |
16155.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].text |
不是符合衛生標準的販賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].start |
16155.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].end |
16157.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].text |
之食品 但是你們從頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].start |
16157.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].end |
16159.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].text |
到尾也不敢說他到底是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].start |
16159.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].end |
16161.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].text |
原料 因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].start |
16161.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].end |
16163.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].text |
在食安法的第三條第一款的白紙黑字寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].start |
16163.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].end |
16165.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].text |
食品是指 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].start |
16165.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].end |
16167.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].text |
工人飲用或咀嚼之產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].start |
16167.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].end |
16169.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].text |
及其原料 所以我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].start |
16169.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].end |
16171.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].text |
一直在表達的事情是 這個原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].start |
16171.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].end |
16173.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].text |
在第三條的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].start |
16173.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].end |
16175.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].text |
良好衛生規則準則裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].start |
16175.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].end |
16177.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].text |
原料是指成品的構成材料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].start |
16177.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].end |
16179.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].text |
所以在這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].start |
16179.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].end |
16181.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].text |
發現的這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].start |
16181.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].end |
16183.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].text |
卻沒有主動通報 這其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].start |
16183.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].end |
16185.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].text |
是一件很 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].start |
16185.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].end |
16187.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].text |
未來真的是一個很大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].start |
16187.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].end |
16189.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].text |
所以今天一定要特別提出來 而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].start |
16189.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].end |
16191.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].text |
不應該由行政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].start |
16191.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].end |
16193.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].text |
自己好像隨便可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].start |
16193.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].end |
16195.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].text |
做這個解釋 我們已經說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].start |
16195.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].end |
16197.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].text |
連主任檢察官 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].start |
16197.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].end |
16199.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].text |
這樣子的高檢署的主任檢察官 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].start |
16199.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].end |
16201.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].text |
都認為這個通報是義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].start |
16201.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].end |
16203.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].text |
不是恩惠 我認為這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].start |
16203.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].end |
16205.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].text |
真的讓人民看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].start |
16205.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].end |
16207.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].text |
是各部會都在幫忙觀 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].start |
16207.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].end |
16209.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].text |
觀賞互推諉謝者 這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].start |
16209.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].end |
16211.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].text |
一直在違背過去大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].start |
16211.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].end |
16213.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].text |
對於食品安全認為說對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].start |
16213.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].end |
16215.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].text |
人民食品安全的最高標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].start |
16215.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].end |
16217.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].text |
就是零容忍 好 以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].start |
16231.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].end |
16233.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].text |
好 接下來請土泉籍委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].start |
16237.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].end |
16239.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].text |
好 謝謝主席 那請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].start |
16239.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].end |
16241.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].text |
跟我們江署長 請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].start |
16241.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].end |
16243.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].text |
江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].start |
16244.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].end |
16246.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].text |
土泉好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].start |
16246.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].end |
16248.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].text |
好 部長 那因為這幾天 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].start |
16248.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].end |
16250.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].text |
我們地檢署查到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].start |
16250.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].end |
16252.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].text |
原來台糖早在今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].start |
16252.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].end |
16254.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].text |
五月份就採樣驗出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].start |
16254.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].end |
16256.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].text |
中年出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].start |
16256.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].end |
16258.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].text |
含有本便比一級致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].start |
16258.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].end |
16260.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].text |
超標七倍 那我相信今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].start |
16260.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].end |
16262.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].text |
大部分都是引到這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].start |
16262.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].end |
16264.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].text |
在討論 那請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].start |
16264.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].end |
16266.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].text |
部長 那經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].start |
16266.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].end |
16268.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].text |
他現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].start |
16268.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].end |
16270.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].text |
跳出來護航說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].start |
16270.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].end |
16272.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].text |
台電買的是出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].start |
16272.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].end |
16274.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].text |
還沒有精煉過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].start |
16274.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].end |
16276.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].text |
所以不是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].start |
16276.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].end |
16278.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].text |
沒有通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].start |
16278.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].end |
16280.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].text |
那部長認同這個說法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].start |
16280.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].end |
16282.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].text |
當然我們對於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].start |
16282.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].end |
16284.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].text |
食安我們希望全民 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].start |
16284.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].end |
16286.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].text |
監督啦 所以來鼓勵通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].start |
16286.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].end |
16288.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].text |
這個都是我們樂見的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].start |
16288.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].end |
16290.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].text |
不過如果回到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].start |
16290.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].end |
16292.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].text |
這個裁罰的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].start |
16292.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].end |
16294.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].text |
那麼是不是強制通報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].start |
16294.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].end |
16296.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].text |
義務通報人 那我們就得回到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].start |
16296.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].end |
16298.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].text |
法條 那麼我們所訂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].start |
16298.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].end |
16300.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].text |
這個本便比 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].start |
16300.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].end |
16302.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].text |
2.0PPB是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].start |
16302.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].end |
16304.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].text |
針對實用油脂所訂出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].start |
16304.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].end |
16306.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].text |
不是對原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].start |
16306.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].end |
16308.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].text |
也不是對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].start |
16308.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].end |
16310.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].text |
這個脫膠原油去訂標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].start |
16310.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].end |
16312.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].text |
所以如果依法論法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].start |
16312.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].end |
16314.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].text |
要裁罰的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].start |
16314.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].end |
16316.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].text |
那當然這個台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].start |
16316.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].end |
16318.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].text |
他所拿到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].start |
16318.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].end |
16320.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].text |
或者是他驗出的是脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].start |
16320.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].end |
16322.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].text |
並沒有現在的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].start |
16322.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].end |
16324.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].text |
安全標準的規定 所以他當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].start |
16324.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].end |
16326.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].text |
依法論法來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].start |
16326.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].end |
16328.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].text |
那當然他是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].start |
16328.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].end |
16330.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].text |
這個強制通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].start |
16330.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].end |
16332.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].text |
所以你認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].start |
16332.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].end |
16334.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].text |
他不是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].start |
16334.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].end |
16336.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].text |
他目前只是原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].start |
16336.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].end |
16338.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].start |
16338.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].end |
16340.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].text |
他是中間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].start |
16340.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].end |
16342.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].text |
他從黃豆進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].start |
16342.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].end |
16344.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].text |
到做成實用油品之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].start |
16344.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].end |
16346.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].text |
中間的中間產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].start |
16346.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].end |
16348.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].text |
黃豆煉出來的初油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].start |
16348.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].end |
16350.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].text |
然後他還要經過脫酸 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].start |
16350.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].end |
16352.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].text |
脫色脫臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].start |
16352.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].end |
16354.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].text |
才會變成實用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].start |
16354.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].end |
16356.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].text |
所以最終的產品還沒有做完 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].start |
16356.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].end |
16358.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].text |
這個半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].start |
16358.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].end |
16360.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].text |
那就是原料 準備要去做別的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].start |
16360.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].end |
16362.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].text |
那所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].start |
16362.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].end |
16364.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].start |
16364.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].end |
16366.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].text |
所以聽剛剛部長講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].start |
16366.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].end |
16368.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].text |
部長那時候也有講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].start |
16368.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].end |
16370.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].text |
外界要求開法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].start |
16370.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].end |
16372.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].text |
是邏輯死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].start |
16372.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].end |
16374.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].text |
所以部長也認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].start |
16374.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].end |
16376.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].text |
嚴格講起來 如果以法條來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].start |
16376.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].end |
16378.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].text |
台糖是沒有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].start |
16378.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].end |
16380.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].text |
缺失 所以不需要開法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].start |
16380.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].end |
16382.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].text |
你剛剛講的意思就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].start |
16382.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].end |
16384.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].text |
他並沒有違反這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].start |
16384.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].end |
16386.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].text |
食安法第七條的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].start |
16386.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].end |
16388.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].text |
所以部長認為是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].start |
16388.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].end |
16390.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].text |
沒有責任缺失 不需要開法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].start |
16390.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].end |
16392.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].text |
那我們直接看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].start |
16392.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].end |
16394.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].text |
我們食藥署在2025年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].start |
16394.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].end |
16396.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].text |
10月份我們有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].start |
16396.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].end |
16398.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].text |
修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].start |
16398.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].end |
16400.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].text |
應訂定食品安全監測計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].start |
16400.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].end |
16402.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].text |
與辦理檢驗之 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].start |
16402.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].end |
16404.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].text |
食品業者最低檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].start |
16404.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].end |
16406.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].text |
週期及其他相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].start |
16406.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].end |
16408.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].text |
事項 在修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].start |
16408.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].end |
16410.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].text |
公告問答級裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].start |
16410.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].end |
16412.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].text |
我們有去看了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].start |
16412.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].end |
16414.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].text |
在應辦理檢驗之食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].start |
16414.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].end |
16416.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].text |
最低檢驗週期 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].start |
16416.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].end |
16418.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].text |
及其他相關事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].start |
16418.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].end |
16420.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].text |
裡面有強制檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].start |
16420.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].end |
16422.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].text |
它是共通性問題裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].start |
16422.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].end |
16424.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].text |
我們把裡面問答級的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].start |
16424.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].end |
16426.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].text |
Q2跟Q8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].start |
16426.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].end |
16428.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].text |
連起來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].start |
16428.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].end |
16430.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].text |
我們看一下 Q2它明訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].start |
16430.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].end |
16432.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].text |
資本額3000萬以上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].start |
16432.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].end |
16434.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].text |
實用油紙製造工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].start |
16434.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].end |
16436.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].text |
針對原油 出製原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].start |
16437.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].end |
16439.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].text |
原料 針對原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].start |
16439.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].end |
16441.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].text |
出製原油 直接供 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].start |
16441.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].end |
16443.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].text |
食用之粗炸原油及 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].start |
16443.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].end |
16445.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].text |
精製油等階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].start |
16445.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].end |
16447.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].text |
每半年必須強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].start |
16447.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].end |
16449.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].text |
檢驗 這個沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].start |
16449.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].end |
16451.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].text |
這都你們自己回覆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].start |
16451.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].end |
16453.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].text |
那在Q8也明訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].start |
16453.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].end |
16455.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].text |
如果強制檢驗報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].start |
16455.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].end |
16457.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].text |
的檢驗結果不符 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].start |
16457.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].end |
16459.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].text |
規定 業者因採取 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].start |
16459.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].end |
16461.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].text |
有效改善措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].start |
16461.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].end |
16463.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].text |
做成紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].start |
16463.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].end |
16465.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].text |
並依食安法第七條第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].start |
16465.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].end |
16467.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].text |
規定 於發現產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].start |
16467.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].end |
16469.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].text |
有危害衛生安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].start |
16469.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].end |
16471.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].text |
之餘時 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].start |
16471.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].end |
16473.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].text |
應通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].start |
16475.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].end |
16477.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].text |
所以應該要通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].start |
16477.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].end |
16479.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].text |
有發生危害衛生安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].start |
16479.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].end |
16481.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].text |
之餘時 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].start |
16481.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].end |
16483.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].start |
16483.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].end |
16485.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].text |
所以因為你們這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].start |
16485.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].end |
16487.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].text |
你們一直說 因為它是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].start |
16487.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].end |
16489.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].text |
產品才要通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].start |
16489.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].end |
16491.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].text |
那如果原料在這邊是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].start |
16491.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].end |
16493.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].text |
包含 所以是產品才要通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].start |
16493.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].end |
16495.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].text |
但是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].start |
16495.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].end |
16497.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].text |
因為我們這個有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].start |
16497.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].end |
16499.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].text |
訂安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].start |
16499.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].end |
16501.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].text |
訂的安全標準是針對產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].start |
16501.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].end |
16503.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].text |
訂的安全標準 那它就 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].start |
16503.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].end |
16505.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].text |
通報就是超出我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].start |
16505.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].end |
16507.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].text |
訂的安全標準的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].start |
16507.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].end |
16509.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].text |
因為你們前面 我有聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].start |
16509.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].end |
16511.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].text |
你們一直針對就是說產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].start |
16511.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].end |
16513.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].text |
你們是針對產品在圍繞 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].start |
16513.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].end |
16515.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].text |
可是後來我們又查了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].start |
16515.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].end |
16517.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].text |
今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].start |
16517.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].end |
16519.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].text |
很多委員有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].start |
16519.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].end |
16521.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].text |
2024年3月11號 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].start |
16521.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].end |
16523.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].text |
食藥署自己發布的新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].start |
16523.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].end |
16525.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].text |
那我再說一遍 今天很多委員都有提 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].start |
16525.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].end |
16527.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].text |
說食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].start |
16527.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].end |
16529.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].text |
在發現原料或產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].start |
16529.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].end |
16531.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].text |
有危害衛生安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].start |
16531.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].end |
16533.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].text |
之餘時 要通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].start |
16533.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].end |
16535.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].start |
16535.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].end |
16537.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].text |
食藥署在這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].start |
16537.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].end |
16539.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].text |
不是只有產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].start |
16539.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].end |
16541.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].text |
針對原料有危害衛生安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].start |
16541.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].end |
16543.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].text |
之餘時 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].start |
16543.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].end |
16545.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].text |
要通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].start |
16545.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].end |
16547.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].text |
這一部分 我相信今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].start |
16547.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].end |
16549.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].text |
很多的委員都提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].start |
16549.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].end |
16551.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].text |
不是產品 也包含原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].start |
16551.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].end |
16553.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].text |
那當然還有另外一個喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].start |
16553.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].end |
16555.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].text |
在三天以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].start |
16555.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].end |
16557.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].text |
在2024年3月14號 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].start |
16558.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].end |
16560.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].text |
行政院食安辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].start |
16560.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].end |
16562.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].text |
自己也說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].start |
16562.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].end |
16564.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].text |
食品業者要加強自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].start |
16564.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].end |
16566.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].text |
確認原料安全性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].start |
16566.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].end |
16568.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].text |
確認原料安全性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].start |
16568.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].end |
16570.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].text |
同時如果有異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].start |
16570.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].end |
16572.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].text |
就因主動通報機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].start |
16572.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].end |
16574.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].text |
所以這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].start |
16574.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].end |
16576.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].text |
食藥署跟食安辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].start |
16576.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].end |
16578.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].text |
我們自己對外 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].start |
16578.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].end |
16580.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].text |
發的新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].start |
16580.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].end |
16582.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].text |
這一部分沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].start |
16582.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].end |
16584.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].text |
所以針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].start |
16584.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].end |
16586.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].text |
所以不是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].start |
16586.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].end |
16588.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].text |
原料的部分你們也都認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].start |
16588.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].end |
16590.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].text |
就是應該要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].start |
16590.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].end |
16592.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].text |
主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].start |
16592.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].end |
16594.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].text |
那為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].start |
16593.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].end |
16595.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].text |
到台糖這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].start |
16596.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].end |
16598.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].text |
就轉彎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].start |
16597.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].end |
16599.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].text |
原料不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].start |
16599.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].end |
16601.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].text |
還是跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].start |
16601.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].end |
16603.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].text |
我們當時候擴大要求原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].start |
16603.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].end |
16605.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].text |
要通報是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].start |
16605.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].end |
16607.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].text |
有一些不得添加的東西出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].start |
16607.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].end |
16609.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].text |
那不得添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].start |
16609.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].end |
16611.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].text |
是沒有標準的 是零檢出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].start |
16611.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].end |
16613.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].text |
所以這個都要求通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].start |
16613.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].end |
16615.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].text |
這個是為了確保 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].start |
16615.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].end |
16617.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].text |
從上游到下游所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].start |
16617.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].end |
16619.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].text |
食品加工鏈的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].start |
16619.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].end |
16621.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].text |
這個是 我相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].start |
16621.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].end |
16623.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].text |
這個委員也是認同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].start |
16623.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].end |
16625.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].text |
但是我們今天談的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].start |
16625.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].end |
16627.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].text |
安全標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].start |
16627.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].end |
16629.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].text |
而我們訂的安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].start |
16629.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].end |
16631.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].text |
訂的是食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].start |
16631.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].end |
16633.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].text |
不是在中間的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].start |
16633.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].end |
16635.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].text |
或原料的安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].start |
16635.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].end |
16637.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].text |
所以他當然依法而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].start |
16637.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].end |
16639.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].text |
他是不需要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].start |
16639.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].end |
16641.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].text |
但是如果這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].start |
16641.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].end |
16643.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].text |
不得添加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].start |
16643.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].end |
16645.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].text |
不論你在原料不論你在產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].start |
16645.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].end |
16647.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].text |
因為他會存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].start |
16647.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].end |
16649.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].text |
這個是不得是零檢出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].start |
16649.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].end |
16651.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].text |
所以這個一定要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].start |
16651.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].end |
16653.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].text |
所以部長我請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].start |
16653.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].end |
16655.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].text |
這個黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].start |
16655.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].end |
16657.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].text |
他炸出這個出油 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].start |
16658.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].end |
16660.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].text |
那含有本篇筆一級字來誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].start |
16662.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].end |
16664.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].text |
是正常的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].start |
16664.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].end |
16666.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].text |
你們聽起來好像 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].start |
16666.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].end |
16668.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].text |
反正有含也沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].start |
16668.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].end |
16670.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].text |
因為黃豆本身可能就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].start |
16670.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].end |
16672.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].text |
帶有這個本篇筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].start |
16672.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].end |
16674.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].text |
所以他做出來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].start |
16674.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].end |
16676.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].text |
他需要再經過後面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].start |
16676.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].end |
16678.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].text |
脫酸脫色脫臭去把它下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].start |
16678.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].end |
16680.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].text |
所以這個是後面為什麼要有這些製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].start |
16680.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].end |
16682.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].text |
要去監測他的道理在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].start |
16682.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].end |
16684.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].text |
那其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].start |
16684.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].end |
16686.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].text |
除了這批黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].start |
16686.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].end |
16688.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].text |
會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].start |
16688.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].end |
16690.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].text |
就在出油會有本篇筆一級字來誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].start |
16690.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].end |
16692.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].text |
那其他的黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].start |
16690.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].end |
16692.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].text |
他做成出油也會有本篇筆嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].start |
16692.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].end |
16694.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].text |
會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].start |
16694.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].end |
16696.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].text |
那本篇筆是高低的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].start |
16696.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].end |
16698.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].text |
有的是還是會有零點幾 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].start |
16698.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].end |
16700.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].text |
一點幾 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].start |
16700.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].end |
16702.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].text |
所以他都在安全標準之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].start |
16702.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].end |
16704.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].text |
所以才是說他要透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].start |
16704.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].end |
16706.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].text |
製程的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].start |
16706.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].end |
16708.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].text |
他存在他會存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].start |
16708.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].end |
16710.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].text |
因為在這個黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].start |
16710.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].end |
16712.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].text |
有機物裡面就會存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].start |
16712.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].end |
16714.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].text |
所以他需要經過製程去把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].start |
16714.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].end |
16716.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].text |
下降到我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].start |
16716.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].end |
16718.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].text |
合格的安全標準以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].start |
16718.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].end |
16720.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].text |
所以台糖驗到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].start |
16720.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].end |
16722.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].text |
本篇筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].start |
16722.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].end |
16724.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].text |
超過七倍之多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].start |
16725.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].end |
16727.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].text |
難道他覺得這是正常的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].start |
16728.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].end |
16730.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].text |
他認為超出他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].start |
16730.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].end |
16732.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].text |
驗收標準他就不予允收 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].start |
16732.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].end |
16734.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].text |
這個是他的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].start |
16734.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].end |
16736.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].text |
他自己定的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].start |
16736.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].end |
16738.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].text |
所以其實不講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].start |
16738.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].end |
16740.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].text |
其實前面最早你們講產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].start |
16740.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].end |
16742.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].text |
其實我們今天為什麼會講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].start |
16742.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].end |
16744.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].text |
後來一直收集之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].start |
16744.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].end |
16746.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].text |
結果我們發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].start |
16746.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].end |
16748.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].text |
原料你們自己當初也發新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].start |
16748.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].end |
16750.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].text |
在很多你們的問答集裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].start |
16750.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].end |
16752.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].text |
也說原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].start |
16752.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].end |
16754.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].text |
只要有超過就要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].start |
16754.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].end |
16756.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].text |
可是為什麼今天真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].start |
16756.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].end |
16758.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].text |
不能理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].start |
16758.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].end |
16760.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].text |
前面講產品後來你們公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].start |
16760.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].end |
16762.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].text |
說原料原料也含有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].start |
16762.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].end |
16764.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].text |
超標本篇筆一級致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].start |
16764.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].end |
16766.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].text |
而且是超過七 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].start |
16766.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].end |
16768.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].text |
倍之多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].start |
16768.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].end |
16770.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].text |
這麼嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].start |
16770.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].end |
16772.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].text |
台糖就 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].start |
16772.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].end |
16774.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].text |
當做沒事一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].start |
16774.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].end |
16776.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].text |
就退回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].start |
16775.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].end |
16777.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].text |
今天如果五月多早發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].start |
16777.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].end |
16779.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].text |
就不會有這麼多的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].start |
16779.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].end |
16781.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].text |
發生而且我們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].start |
16781.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].end |
16783.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].text |
今天這麼多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].start |
16783.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].end |
16785.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].text |
問題是不是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].start |
16785.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].end |
16787.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].text |
衛福部還有食藥署這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].start |
16787.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].end |
16789.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].text |
針對這麼多的問題都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].start |
16789.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].end |
16791.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].text |
好好的監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].start |
16792.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].end |
16794.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].text |
我們制定了相關的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].start |
16794.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].end |
16796.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].text |
要求地方去查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].start |
16796.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].end |
16798.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].text |
所以真正在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].start |
16798.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].end |
16800.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].text |
監督跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].start |
16800.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].end |
16802.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].text |
查場以及抽驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].start |
16802.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].end |
16804.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].text |
這個是地方的權責 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].start |
16804.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].end |
16806.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].text |
當然我們也會協助地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].start |
16806.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].end |
16808.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].text |
一起去辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].start |
16808.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].end |
16810.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].text |
所以我們也有固定的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].start |
16810.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].end |
16812.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].text |
專案的稽查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].start |
16812.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].end |
16814.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].text |
啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].start |
16814.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].end |
16816.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].text |
所以這些都是中央跟地方大家一起合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].start |
16816.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].end |
16818.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].text |
來確保食藥安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].start |
16818.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].end |
16820.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].text |
其實今天講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].start |
16820.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].end |
16822.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].text |
今天講這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].start |
16822.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].end |
16824.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].text |
今天這個案子最重要就是中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].start |
16824.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].end |
16826.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].text |
黑心廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].start |
16826.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].end |
16828.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].text |
沒有及時通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].start |
16828.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].end |
16830.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].text |
還繼續製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].start |
16830.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].end |
16832.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].text |
這個才是應該最糟糕的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].start |
16832.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].end |
16834.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].text |
我覺得我們不可理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].start |
16834.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].end |
16836.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].text |
其實衛福部還有食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].start |
16836.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].end |
16838.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].text |
我們這個是主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].start |
16838.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].end |
16840.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].text |
今天我不知道為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].start |
16840.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].end |
16842.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].text |
感覺一直都在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].start |
16842.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].end |
16844.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].text |
為台糖在說話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].start |
16844.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].end |
16846.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].text |
一直在護航 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].start |
16846.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].end |
16848.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].text |
一直在把他的事情讓他去合理化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].start |
16848.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].end |
16850.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].start |
16849.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].end |
16851.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].text |
這些針對我們今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].start |
16851.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].end |
16853.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].text |
看到的我們這些問答集 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].start |
16853.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].end |
16855.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].text |
裡面原料出自原 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].start |
16855.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].end |
16857.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].text |
有直接供食用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].start |
16857.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].end |
16859.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].text |
支出在原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].start |
16859.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].end |
16861.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].text |
他每半年就要做一次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].start |
16861.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].end |
16863.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].text |
強制性檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].start |
16863.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].end |
16865.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].text |
那你為什麼要做強制性檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].start |
16865.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].end |
16867.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].text |
結果你強制性檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].start |
16867.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].end |
16869.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].text |
去做了結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].start |
16869.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].end |
16871.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].text |
查到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].start |
16871.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].end |
16873.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].text |
掃標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].start |
16872.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].end |
16874.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].text |
本篇比操標七倍之多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].start |
16875.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].end |
16877.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].text |
居然不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].start |
16877.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].end |
16879.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].text |
那你不用通報你做強制性檢驗幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].start |
16881.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].end |
16883.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].start |
16883.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].end |
16885.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].text |
我們今天用比較高的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].start |
16885.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].end |
16887.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].text |
來要求台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].start |
16887.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].end |
16889.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].text |
我們都尊重委員的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].start |
16889.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].end |
16891.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].text |
但是我還是回到依法論法而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].start |
16891.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].end |
16893.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].text |
我們訂的本篇比的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].start |
16893.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].end |
16895.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].text |
指的是食用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].start |
16895.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].end |
16897.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].text |
不是脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].start |
16897.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].end |
16899.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].text |
也不是原來其他的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].start |
16899.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].end |
16901.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].text |
所以這個要把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].start |
16901.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].end |
16903.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].text |
我們把它弄清楚就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].start |
16903.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].end |
16905.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].text |
所以我相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].start |
16905.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].end |
16907.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].text |
今天這麼多委員講那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].start |
16907.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].end |
16909.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].text |
其實這裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].start |
16909.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].end |
16911.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].text |
立法的用意針對各類別 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].start |
16911.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].end |
16913.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].text |
被納入做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].start |
16913.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].end |
16915.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].text |
強制檢驗的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].start |
16915.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].end |
16917.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].text |
包含原料產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].start |
16918.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].end |
16920.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].text |
都應該要符合強制檢驗的周期標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].start |
16920.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].end |
16922.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].text |
不然 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].start |
16922.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].end |
16924.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].text |
為什麼食藥署要援引 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].start |
16924.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].end |
16926.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].text |
通報義務的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].start |
16926.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].end |
16928.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].text |
你們都說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].start |
16928.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].end |
16930.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].text |
原料有問題就要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].start |
16930.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].end |
16932.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].text |
可是為什麼我們一直 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].start |
16932.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].end |
16934.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].text |
百思不得其解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].start |
16934.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].end |
16936.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].text |
碰到台糖你們就有另外一個說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].start |
16936.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].end |
16938.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].text |
好像它這個原料有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].start |
16939.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].end |
16941.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].text |
不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].start |
16941.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].end |
16943.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].text |
這合理化在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].start |
16943.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].end |
16945.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].text |
其實大家對你們今天的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].start |
16945.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].end |
16947.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].text |
真的是聽不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].start |
16948.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].end |
16950.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].text |
而且經濟部是我們的國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].start |
16950.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].end |
16952.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].text |
他也是公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].start |
16952.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].end |
16954.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].text |
應辦理檢驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].start |
16954.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].end |
16956.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].text |
食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].start |
16956.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].end |
16958.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].text |
他有法定的強制檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].start |
16958.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].end |
16960.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].text |
義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].start |
16960.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].end |
16962.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].text |
而且他在五月就知情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].start |
16962.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].end |
16964.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].text |
那依照我們現行的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].start |
16964.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].end |
16966.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].text |
還有他問答級的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].start |
16966.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].end |
16968.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].text |
上面都寫得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].start |
16968.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].end |
16970.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].text |
還有包括我們剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].start |
16970.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].end |
16972.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].text |
食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].start |
16972.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].end |
16974.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].text |
還有我們食安辦公室的對外新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].start |
16975.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].end |
16977.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].text |
台電就是要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].start |
16977.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].end |
16979.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].text |
為什麼就講了一堆就是不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].start |
16981.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].end |
16983.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].text |
跟委員說明我們在HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].start |
16983.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].end |
16985.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].text |
裡面要求在不同的節點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].start |
16985.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].end |
16987.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].text |
去檢驗這個是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].start |
16987.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].end |
16989.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].text |
做品質的控管 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].start |
16989.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].end |
16991.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].text |
讓這個業者在製造的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].start |
16991.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].end |
16993.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].text |
當中可以提早的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].start |
16993.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].end |
16995.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].text |
去預警風險的存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].start |
16995.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].end |
16997.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].text |
然後去做一些矯正調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].start |
16997.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].end |
16999.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].text |
的措施來確保最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].start |
16999.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].end |
17001.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].text |
這個食品的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].start |
17001.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].end |
17003.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].text |
我想這個是整個原意是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].start |
17003.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].end |
17005.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].text |
而至於要求的強制性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].start |
17005.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].end |
17007.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].text |
通報是針對我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].start |
17007.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].end |
17009.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].text |
訂有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].start |
17009.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].end |
17011.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].text |
安全標準超標的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].start |
17011.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].end |
17013.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].text |
你就要強制性通報了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].start |
17013.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].end |
17015.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].text |
所以這個權利義務是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].start |
17015.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].end |
17017.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].text |
所以我們剛剛一直有講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].start |
17017.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].end |
17019.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].text |
你看 |
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17018.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].end |
17020.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].text |
他們這些都是屬於三千萬以上的廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].start |
17020.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].end |
17022.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].text |
那本來就 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].start |
17022.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].end |
17024.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].text |
要強制檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].start |
17024.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].end |
17026.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].text |
強制檢驗驗到有不符規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].start |
17026.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].end |
17028.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].text |
超標的就有通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].start |
17028.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].end |
17030.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].text |
那南橋也因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].start |
17030.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].end |
17032.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].text |
沒有通報被開罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].start |
17032.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].end |
17034.94 |
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那台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].start |
17034.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].end |
17036.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].text |
也是有強制檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].start |
17036.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].end |
17038.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].text |
所以他有強制檢驗本來就有通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].start |
17038.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].end |
17040.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].text |
我真的不了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].start |
17040.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].end |
17042.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].text |
他要強制檢驗又不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].start |
17042.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].end |
17044.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].text |
的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].start |
17044.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].end |
17046.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].text |
然後南橋因為這樣子被罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].start |
17046.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].end |
17048.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].text |
台糖你講了一大堆 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].start |
17048.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].end |
17050.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].text |
好像台糖也要強制檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].start |
17050.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].end |
17052.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].text |
可是他就沒通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].start |
17053.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].end |
17055.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].text |
就有另外一番說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].start |
17056.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].end |
17058.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].text |
台糖那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].start |
17058.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].end |
17060.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].text |
他們自行在驗收的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].start |
17060.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].end |
17062.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].text |
要求的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].start |
17062.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].end |
17064.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].text |
不是我們所謂的強制檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].start |
17064.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].end |
17066.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].text |
那今天我們就講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].start |
17066.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].end |
17068.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].text |
他這個本來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].start |
17068.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].end |
17070.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].text |
他今天收到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].start |
17070.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].end |
17072.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].text |
他就有檢驗的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].start |
17072.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].end |
17074.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].text |
那他去檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].start |
17074.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].end |
17076.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].text |
檢驗到超標這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].start |
17076.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].end |
17078.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].text |
都不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].start |
17078.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].end |
17080.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].text |
一個國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].start |
17080.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].end |
17082.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].text |
一個對於我們影響國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].start |
17082.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].end |
17084.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].text |
食安這麼嚴重的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].start |
17084.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].end |
17086.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].text |
結果不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].start |
17086.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].end |
17088.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].text |
現在爆發這麼多問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].start |
17088.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].end |
17090.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].text |
檢驗出來原來他早就 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].start |
17090.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].end |
17092.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].text |
檢驗出來早就知道結果不用通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].start |
17093.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].end |
17095.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].text |
我們衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].start |
17096.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].end |
17098.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].text |
讓他合理化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].start |
17098.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].end |
17100.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].text |
而且經濟部第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].start |
17100.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].end |
17102.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].text |
跳出來這個食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].start |
17102.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].end |
17104.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].text |
也不是經濟部在管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].start |
17104.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].end |
17106.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].text |
結果經濟部來解釋食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].start |
17106.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].end |
17108.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].text |
結果我們衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].start |
17108.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].end |
17110.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].text |
居然後來身為主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].start |
17110.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].end |
17112.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].text |
還配合他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].start |
17114.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].end |
17116.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].text |
我們都依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].start |
17116.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].end |
17118.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].start |
17118.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].end |
17120.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].text |
這個中聯的會有高 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].start |
17120.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].end |
17122.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].text |
我們在調查報告也寫得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].start |
17122.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].end |
17124.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].text |
他的品質原料的品質的控管 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].start |
17124.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].end |
17126.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].text |
跟後端有沒有具以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].start |
17126.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].end |
17128.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].text |
調整參數 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].start |
17128.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].end |
17130.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].text |
強化這個製程的監控 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].start |
17130.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].end |
17132.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].text |
甚至是檢驗的頻率 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].start |
17132.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].end |
17134.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].text |
這個都是我們在調查報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].start |
17134.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].end |
17136.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].text |
已經提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].start |
17136.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].end |
17138.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].text |
要求他去改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].start |
17138.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].end |
17140.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].text |
那也作為其他業者的一個參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].start |
17140.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].end |
17142.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].text |
所以我想這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].start |
17142.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].end |
17144.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].text |
並進 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].start |
17144.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].end |
17146.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].text |
互相之間是沒有什麼相悖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].start |
17146.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].end |
17148.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].text |
一個是我們訂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].start |
17149.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].end |
17151.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].text |
最終產品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].start |
17151.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].end |
17153.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].text |
使用油脂的安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].start |
17153.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].end |
17155.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].text |
這個是一回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].start |
17155.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].end |
17157.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].text |
要求業者在製程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].start |
17157.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].end |
17159.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].text |
需要去強化這個管理的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].start |
17159.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].end |
17161.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].text |
從源頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].start |
17161.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].end |
17163.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].text |
製程到監控 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].start |
17163.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].end |
17165.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].text |
通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].start |
17165.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].end |
17167.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].text |
這個又是另外一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].start |
17167.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].end |
17169.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].text |
同樣重要要去要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].start |
17169.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].end |
17171.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].text |
這個是在我們調查報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].start |
17171.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].end |
17173.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].text |
都已經提出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].start |
17172.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].end |
17174.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].text |
部長其實今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].start |
17174.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].end |
17176.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].text |
大家講那麼多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].start |
17176.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].end |
17178.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].text |
其實我相信也很多國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].start |
17178.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].end |
17180.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].text |
一直都有在看我們的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].start |
17180.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].end |
17182.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].text |
其實部長你們針對你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].start |
17182.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].end |
17184.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].text |
這些質詢的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].start |
17184.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].end |
17186.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].text |
我相信民眾應該心中自有一把尺 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].start |
17186.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].end |
17188.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].text |
那我們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].start |
17188.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].end |
17190.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].text |
食安法本來就是應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].start |
17190.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].end |
17192.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].text |
高標準去審核 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].start |
17192.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].end |
17194.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].text |
去檢視 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].start |
17194.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].end |
17196.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].text |
因為他這個關心我們國人的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].start |
17196.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].end |
17198.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].text |
那我們衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].start |
17198.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].end |
17200.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].text |
食藥署是保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].start |
17200.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].end |
17202.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].text |
我們國人健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].start |
17202.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].end |
17204.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].text |
對於食安這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].start |
17204.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].end |
17206.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].text |
國人是非常非常的注重 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].start |
17206.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].end |
17208.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].text |
我們每天日常生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].start |
17208.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].end |
17210.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].text |
生活起居都要接觸到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].start |
17210.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].end |
17212.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].text |
所以食安法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].start |
17212.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].end |
17214.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].text |
核心是保障國人的 |
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17214.94 |
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17216.94 |
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健康我們不是今天 |
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17216.94 |
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17218.94 |
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要幫這些業者 |
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17218.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].end |
17220.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].text |
去設防火牆 |
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17220.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].end |
17222.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].text |
希望部長也站在 |
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17222.94 |
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17224.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].text |
國人食安跟健康的角度 |
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17224.94 |
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17226.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].text |
我們來重新 |
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17226.94 |
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17228.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].text |
審視這個通報的 |
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17228.94 |
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17230.94 |
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法律義務跟這個法環 |
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17230.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].end |
17232.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].text |
我覺得食安的問題 |
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17232.94 |
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17234.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].text |
一定要高規格 |
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17234.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].end |
17236.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].text |
標準來去審視 |
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17236.94 |
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17238.94 |
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因為這個關係到我們全國 |
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17238.94 |
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17240.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].text |
人民的健康 |
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17240.94 |
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17242.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6362].text |
非常認同委員的這一番話 |
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17242.94 |
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17244.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].text |
這個食安是沒有 |
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17244.94 |
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17246.94 |
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這個博虎的空間 |
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17246.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].end |
17248.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].text |
我們一定會持續的 |
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17248.94 |
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17250.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].text |
為這個食安來把關 |
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17250.94 |
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17252.94 |
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而且大家聽到台糖 |
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17252.94 |
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17254.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].text |
這個我們國家的國營 |
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17254.94 |
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17256.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].text |
事業居然知道 |
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17256.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].end |
17258.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].text |
這個訊息居然沒有選擇通報 |
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17258.94 |
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17260.94 |
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其實這對國人來講 |
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17260.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].end |
17262.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].text |
應該是沒有辦法接受的 |
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17264.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].end |
17266.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].text |
謝謝委員 |
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17269.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].end |
17271.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].text |
謝謝土君吉委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].start |
17274.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].end |
17276.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].start |
17279.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].end |
17281.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].text |
好 這邊重新宣告 |
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17281.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6377].end |
17283.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6377].text |
待會在林淑芬委員 |
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17283.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].end |
17285.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].text |
詢答完畢後 |
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17285.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6379].end |
17287.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6379].text |
我們休息30分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].start |
17294.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].end |
17296.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].text |
所以重新宣告 |
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17296.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6381].end |
17298.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6381].text |
因為順序有重新調動 |
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17298.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6382].end |
17300.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6382].text |
好 那我們請林淑芬委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].start |
17309.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].end |
17311.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].text |
主席 各位大家午安 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].start |
17311.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].end |
17313.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].text |
是不是請我們時部長 |
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17314.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].end |
17316.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].text |
好 請時部長 |
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17318.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].end |
17320.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].text |
委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].start |
17348.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].end |
17350.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].text |
請時務長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].start |
17350.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].end |
17352.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].text |
請時務長 |
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17352.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6389].end |
17354.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6389].text |
請時務長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].start |
17354.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].end |
17356.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].text |
請時務長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].start |
17356.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].end |
17358.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].text |
請時務長 |
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17358.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].end |
17360.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].text |
請時務長 |
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17360.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].end |
17362.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].text |
請時務長 |
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17362.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6394].end |
17364.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6394].text |
請時務長 |
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17364.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6395].end |
17366.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6395].text |
請時務長 |
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17366.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].end |
17368.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].text |
請時務長 |
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17368.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].end |
17370.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].text |
請時務長 |
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17370.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].end |
17372.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].text |
請時務長 |
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17372.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6399].end |
17374.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6399].text |
請時務長 |
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17374.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6400].end |
17376.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6400].text |
請時務長 |
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17369.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].end |
17372.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].text |
所以這個中聯這個獨有的案件 |
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17372.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].end |
17374.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].text |
中聯 |
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17374.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].end |
17379.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].text |
他們全部都是HACCP的制度運作的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].start |
17379.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].end |
17382.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].text |
那從你們以前的所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].start |
17382.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].end |
17385.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].text |
2021年的實用油脂工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].start |
17385.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].end |
17388.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].text |
實施衛生管理及食品安全管制系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].start |
17388.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].end |
17390.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].text |
概況的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].start |
17391.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].end |
17393.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].text |
我們就可以看得出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].start |
17393.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].end |
17395.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].text |
裡面的調查報告說 |
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17395.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6410].end |
17397.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6410].text |
他們的數據經常造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].start |
17397.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].end |
17399.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].text |
那為什麼要經常造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].start |
17399.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].end |
17402.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].text |
因為他們進行了危害分析以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].start |
17402.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].end |
17404.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].text |
要設管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].start |
17404.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].end |
17406.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].text |
設完管制點以後發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].start |
17406.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].end |
17408.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].text |
檢查起來都還是異常的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].start |
17408.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].end |
17410.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].text |
他們要做矯正 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].start |
17410.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].end |
17412.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].text |
然後矯正措施做好以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].start |
17412.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].end |
17415.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].text |
還要回去把他們的危害重新分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].start |
17415.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].end |
17417.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].text |
然後再重新設管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].start |
17417.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].end |
17419.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].text |
你們的調查報告說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].start |
17419.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].end |
17420.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].text |
他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].start |
17420.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].end |
17422.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].text |
你們這次獨有事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].start |
17422.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].end |
17424.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].text |
拿講說他們都沒有設好管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].start |
17424.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].end |
17425.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].text |
沒有照落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].start |
17425.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].end |
17427.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].text |
他們當然不能設好管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].start |
17427.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].end |
17431.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].text |
因為他們設的管制點還是不通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].start |
17432.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].end |
17435.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].text |
所以他們的問題就是他們必須要造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].start |
17435.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].end |
17437.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].text |
否則就不能符合HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].start |
17438.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].end |
17440.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].text |
所以在這個過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].start |
17440.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].end |
17444.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].text |
整個危害預警的制度HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].start |
17444.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].end |
17447.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].text |
是瓦解淪於紙上作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].start |
17447.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].end |
17449.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].text |
這是我講過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].start |
17449.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].end |
17450.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].start |
17450.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].end |
17453.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].text |
它並不是只是如此而已 |
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17453.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].end |
17457.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].text |
我要講說從大家講了一整個早上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].start |
17457.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].end |
17459.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].text |
都在講台糖台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].start |
17459.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].end |
17461.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].text |
那所值的爭點都說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].start |
17461.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].end |
17462.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].text |
到底有沒有通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].start |
17462.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].end |
17464.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].text |
或是沒有通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].start |
17464.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].end |
17465.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].text |
我現在要告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].start |
17465.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].end |
17470.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].text |
我不想只是談通報義務這個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].start |
17470.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].end |
17474.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].text |
不能夠只問責台糖有沒有通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].start |
17474.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].end |
17478.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].text |
也不是只問責中聯要怎麼裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].start |
17478.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].end |
17479.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].text |
怎麼處罰的更重 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].start |
17479.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].end |
17481.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].text |
甚至說回到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].start |
17481.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].end |
17482.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].text |
不是只有這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].start |
17482.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].end |
17484.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].text |
因為對人民來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].start |
17484.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].end |
17488.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].text |
我們希望不管食安法還是HACCP的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].start |
17488.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].end |
17491.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].text |
都能夠要發揮預警的作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].start |
17491.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].end |
17495.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].text |
不能夠做到只是事後究責 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].start |
17495.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].end |
17497.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].text |
還要事前預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].start |
17499.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].end |
17501.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].text |
在這個地方我們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].start |
17501.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].end |
17503.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].text |
台糖的責任有沒有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].start |
17503.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].end |
17507.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].text |
釐清中聯這個始作俑者最過分的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].start |
17507.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].end |
17509.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].text |
我們要問責清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].start |
17509.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].end |
17510.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].text |
可是更重要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].start |
17510.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].end |
17512.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].text |
現行的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].start |
17512.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].end |
17514.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].text |
現行的HACCP制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].start |
17514.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].end |
17516.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].text |
現行的所有安全管理的制度 |
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17516.3 |
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17520.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6460].text |
有沒有辦法讓重大的食安警訊 |
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17520.3 |
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17524.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].text |
在供應鏈生產鏈的供應鏈的內部 |
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17524.3 |
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17526.3 |
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你們就要掌握 |
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17526.3 |
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17528.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].text |
不是只有業者掌握 |
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17528.3 |
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17532.3 |
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現在的問題就是所有的重大的風險 |
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17532.3 |
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17536.3 |
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在還沒成為產品以前就發現到的 |
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17536.3 |
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17539.3 |
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不能只是業者知道 |
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17539.3 |
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17542.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6467].text |
而是政府也要管制要知道 |
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17542.3 |
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17546.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6468].text |
否則我們修了這麼多次的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].start |
17546.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].end |
17548.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].text |
每一次發生單一事件 |
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17548.3 |
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17550.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].text |
系統性的風暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].start |
17550.3 |
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17552.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].text |
每次都還是在等下游 |
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17552.3 |
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17553.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].text |
檢出鈔標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].start |
17553.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].end |
17556.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].text |
產品大家都吃下肚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].start |
17556.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].end |
17558.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].text |
等媒體大幅報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].start |
17558.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].end |
17561.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].text |
然後吹哨者出現才開始補救 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].start |
17561.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].end |
17564.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].text |
這個是不能夠這樣的 |
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17564.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].end |
17567.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].text |
所以我今天就開始要來講說 |
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17567.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].end |
17569.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].text |
中聯獨有案件 |
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17569.3 |
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17573.3 |
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為什麼重大的食安警訊 |
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17573.3 |
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17578.3 |
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卻斷訊在供應鏈的業者的內部 |
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17578.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].end |
17580.3 |
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就斷訊了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].start |
17581.01 |
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17583.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].text |
我現在要講的是這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].start |
17583.01 |
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17587.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].text |
當然我們的食安法一定要管理原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].start |
17587.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].end |
17589.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].text |
這個是開宗明義就講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].start |
17589.01 |
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17592.01 |
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我們食安法不是只有管產品來管原料 |
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17592.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].end |
17596.01 |
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但是在現行的第七條裡面 |
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17596.01 |
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17601.01 |
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的確也規定當你進入生產程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].start |
17601.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].end |
17606.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].text |
成為產品發現異常才客折業者要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].start |
17606.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].end |
17608.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].text |
可是這樣子是不行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].start |
17608.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].end |
17611.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].text |
要管原料那什麼時候要管到哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].start |
17611.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].end |
17613.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].text |
在客折通報的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].start |
17613.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].end |
17616.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].text |
沒有把原料這一環放進去 |
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17616.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].end |
17618.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].text |
而獨有事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].start |
17618.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].end |
17620.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].text |
台航事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].start |
17620.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].end |
17625.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].text |
就是把重大的14.7PPB的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].start |
17625.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].end |
17627.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].text |
這個重大的風險 |
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17627.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].end |
17630.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].text |
竟然斷訊在供應鏈的內部 |
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17631.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].end |
17632.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].text |
政府不知道 |
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17632.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].end |
17633.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].text |
更不要講人民 |
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17633.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6500].end |
17634.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6500].text |
通通都不知道 |
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17634.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].end |
17637.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].text |
而是大家都吃下肚了 |
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17637.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].end |
17639.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].text |
所以我們在這裡要講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].start |
17639.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].end |
17641.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].text |
高風險原料的管理 |
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17641.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6504].end |
17644.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6504].text |
製程的管控監測的管制 |
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17644.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6505].end |
17646.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6505].text |
這個是你們說 |
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17646.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6506].end |
17649.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6506].text |
獨立調查的結果發現了很多原因 |
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17649.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].end |
17653.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].text |
但是我們要再講一遍 |
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17653.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6508].end |
17655.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6508].text |
前面早就出現了風險訊號 |
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17655.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6509].end |
17657.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6509].text |
譬如說原料的來源 |
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17657.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6510].end |
17659.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6510].text |
傳奇的差異 |
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17659.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].end |
17661.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].text |
油槽的檢驗 |
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17661.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].end |
17662.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].text |
製程的參數 |
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17662.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].end |
17664.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].text |
管制的界線 |
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17664.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].end |
17665.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].text |
下游的檢驗 |
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17665.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6515].end |
17667.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6515].text |
拒收退貨的紀錄 |
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17667.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6516].end |
17668.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6516].text |
這些訊號 |
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17668.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].end |
17671.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].text |
通通沒有被整合 |
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17671.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].end |
17674.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].text |
沒有進入主管機關的預警系統 |
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17674.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].end |
17677.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].text |
也沒有變成跨縣市的 |
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17677.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].end |
17678.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].text |
跨業者的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].start |
17678.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].end |
17681.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].text |
跨供應鏈的風險警示 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].start |
17682.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].end |
17684.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].text |
所以在這種狀況裡面 |
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17684.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6523].end |
17686.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6523].text |
我們通通都吃下肚以後 |
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17686.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].end |
17688.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].text |
才發現問題 |
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17688.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6525].end |
17689.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6525].text |
然後發現問題的時候 |
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17689.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].end |
17690.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].text |
已經都來不及了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].start |
17690.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].end |
17692.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].text |
因為都吃進去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].start |
17692.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].end |
17694.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].text |
一次又一次都是吃完了 |
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17694.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].end |
17695.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].text |
才在說 |
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17696.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].end |
17697.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].text |
你可以退貨 |
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17697.69 |
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17698.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].text |
你可以退款 |
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17698.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].end |
17699.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].text |
吃進去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].start |
17699.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].end |
17701.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].text |
我的健康怎麼退款 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].start |
17701.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].end |
17702.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].text |
我的健康怎麼退貨 |
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17702.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].end |
17704.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].text |
所以我在這裡講清楚 |
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17704.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].end |
17709.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].text |
這個問題不是限縮在台糖一間公司 |
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17709.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].end |
17711.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].text |
要怎麼做而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].start |
17711.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].end |
17714.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].text |
也不是說台糖這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].start |
17714.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].end |
17715.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].text |
要不要通報 |
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17715.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].end |
17716.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].text |
有沒有通報義務 |
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17716.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].end |
17717.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].text |
我們要講是 |
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17717.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].end |
17719.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].text |
問題有品 |
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17719.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].end |
17722.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].text |
有沒有實際進入台糖工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].start |
17722.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].end |
17725.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].text |
重大的訊號就已經出現了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].start |
17725.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].end |
17728.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].text |
為什麼主管機關沒有同步掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].start |
17728.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].end |
17730.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].text |
今天是本篇評論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].start |
17732.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].end |
17734.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].text |
明天有可能是種金屬 |
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17734.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6548].end |
17735.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6548].text |
農藥殘留 |
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17735.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].end |
17736.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].text |
塑化劑 |
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17736.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].end |
17738.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].text |
黃麴毒素 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].start |
17738.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].end |
17740.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].text |
或是其他污染物 |
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17740.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].end |
17742.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].text |
只要制度面 |
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17742.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].end |
17745.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].text |
仍然只看到產品有沒有進貨 |
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17746.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].end |
17748.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].text |
所有權有沒有移轉 |
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17748.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].end |
17749.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].text |
我沒有買 |
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17749.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6556].end |
17751.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6556].text |
還在他那裡 |
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17751.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].end |
17753.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].text |
業者有沒有製成自己的產品 |
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17753.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].end |
17755.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].text |
如果只是制度面 |
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17755.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].end |
17757.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].text |
現在的只看到這個 |
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17757.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].end |
17759.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].text |
那麼主管機關就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].start |
17759.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].end |
17762.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].text |
看不到供應鏈前端 |
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17762.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].end |
17765.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].text |
已經出現的風險訊號 |
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17765.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].end |
17766.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].text |
所以我再講一遍就是說 |
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17766.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].end |
17769.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].text |
選法管制的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].start |
17769.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].end |
17771.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].text |
人民想要的制度 |
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17771.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].end |
17774.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].text |
就是在成為產品以前 |
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17774.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].end |
17776.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].text |
供應鏈的前端 |
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17776.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].end |
17779.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].text |
就已經出現了風險的訊號 |
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17779.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].end |
17782.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].text |
我們要怎麼來設計成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].start |
17782.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].end |
17785.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].text |
政府一定要就馬上介入和管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].start |
17785.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].end |
17787.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].text |
食安制度不能靠吹哨者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].start |
17787.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].end |
17789.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].text |
當最後一道防線 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].start |
17789.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].end |
17791.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].text |
那都已經來不及 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].start |
17791.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].end |
17793.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].text |
真正的預警制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].start |
17793.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].end |
17795.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].text |
應該是重大的異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].start |
17795.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].end |
17797.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].text |
發現了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].start |
17797.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].end |
17799.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].text |
還停留在供應鏈內部的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].start |
17799.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].end |
17802.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].text |
你就要掌握資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].start |
17802.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].end |
17804.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].text |
交叉比對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].start |
17804.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].end |
17806.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].text |
採取行政措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].start |
17806.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].end |
17808.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].text |
而不是等到爆發以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].start |
17808.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].end |
17810.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].text |
才來究責 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].start |
17811.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].end |
17812.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].text |
所以我再講一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].start |
17812.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].end |
17813.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].text |
台糖不只是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].start |
17813.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].end |
17816.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].text |
有沒有現行通報的義務的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].start |
17816.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].end |
17818.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].text |
而是在於現行的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].start |
17818.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].end |
17820.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].text |
根本沒有確保 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].start |
17820.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].end |
17822.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].text |
重大風險資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].start |
17822.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].end |
17826.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].text |
能夠立即及時的進入主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].start |
17826.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].end |
17828.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].text |
這個東西很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].start |
17828.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].end |
17832.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].text |
那食安管理更不能只看產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].start |
17832.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].end |
17834.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].text |
這個原料的所有權是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].start |
17835.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].end |
17839.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].text |
還要看誰要負責掌握風險的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].start |
17840.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].end |
17844.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].text |
所以剛剛委員講到的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].start |
17844.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].end |
17847.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].text |
我們也在這一次修法裡面提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].start |
17847.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].end |
17850.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].text |
要強化那個HACCP的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].start |
17850.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].end |
17852.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].text |
包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].start |
17852.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].end |
17855.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].text |
他進場去查這個HACCP的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].start |
17855.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].end |
17857.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].text |
不是只有看文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].start |
17857.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].end |
17859.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].text |
他還要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].start |
17860.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].end |
17862.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].text |
這個我上一次質詢過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].start |
17862.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].end |
17864.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].text |
現在的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].start |
17864.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].end |
17870.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].text |
沒有淪為紙上作業造假成為常態 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].start |
17870.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].end |
17874.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].text |
根本台灣不存在HACCP制度了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].start |
17874.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].end |
17875.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].text |
老實說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].start |
17875.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].end |
17877.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].text |
就現行的執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].start |
17877.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].end |
17879.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].text |
屠法不足以自行嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].start |
17879.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].end |
17882.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].text |
就現行有的法律在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].start |
17882.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].end |
17886.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].text |
但是執行面所有HACCP業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].start |
17886.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].end |
17888.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].text |
我可以在這裡大膽的假設啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].start |
17888.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].end |
17891.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].text |
沒有人在執行管制的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].start |
17892.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].end |
17895.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].text |
HACCP都做假的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].start |
17898.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].end |
17899.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].text |
我現在說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].start |
17899.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].end |
17901.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].text |
屠法不足以自行啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].start |
17902.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].end |
17904.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].text |
屠法不足以自行啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].start |
17904.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].end |
17905.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].text |
現在要怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].start |
17905.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].end |
17907.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].text |
以台糖為例啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].start |
17907.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].end |
17909.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].text |
我們當然知道他跟中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].start |
17909.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].end |
17911.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].text |
跟南僑太三福壽 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].start |
17911.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].end |
17914.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].text |
他們的責任當然是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].start |
17914.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].end |
17915.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].start |
17916.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].end |
17919.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].text |
他們遇到了知道了這一個風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].start |
17921.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].end |
17923.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].text |
還是存在在那裡啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].start |
17923.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].end |
17924.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].start |
17924.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].end |
17928.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].text |
誰要負責去掌握公共食安風險的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].start |
17928.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].end |
17929.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].text |
誰要負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].start |
17929.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].end |
17931.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].text |
誰要負責起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].start |
17933.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].end |
17936.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].text |
今天剪出的本評比14.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].start |
17936.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].end |
17937.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].text |
已經不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].start |
17937.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].end |
17939.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].text |
不是單純買賣雙方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].start |
17939.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].end |
17941.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].text |
要不要交貨的問題耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].start |
17941.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].end |
17944.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].text |
而是共食品製造使用的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].start |
17944.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].end |
17947.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].text |
出現重大的汙染訊號了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].start |
17947.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].end |
17950.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].text |
那這個訊號沒有進入主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].start |
17950.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].end |
17952.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].text |
你怎麼知道他後續有沒有封存 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].start |
17953.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].end |
17954.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].text |
有沒有精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].start |
17954.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].end |
17956.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].text |
有沒有混屁 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].start |
17956.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].end |
17958.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].text |
有沒有轉賣掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].start |
17959.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].end |
17960.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].text |
都不知道啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].start |
17962.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].end |
17964.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].text |
因為都不知道嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].start |
17964.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].end |
17966.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].text |
所以在這個過程會變成有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].start |
17967.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].end |
17969.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].text |
另一種假設的狀況是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].start |
17969.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].end |
17973.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].text |
我們第七條第五項通報義務是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].start |
17973.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].end |
17975.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].text |
自己的產品自己管 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].start |
17975.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].end |
17976.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].text |
可是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].start |
17978.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].end |
17979.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].text |
有一種狀況是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].start |
17979.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].end |
17984.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].text |
買方在供應商端驗收錢取貨前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].start |
17984.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].end |
17985.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].text |
都已經知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].start |
17985.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].end |
17986.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].text |
但也沒有收貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].start |
17986.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].end |
17988.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].text |
就是台黨這種狀況嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].start |
17989.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].end |
17991.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].text |
那他已經知道重大異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].start |
17991.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].end |
17992.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].text |
尚未收貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].start |
17992.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].end |
17993.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].text |
現行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].start |
17993.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].end |
17994.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].text |
管不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].start |
17995.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].end |
17996.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].text |
那這個風險怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].start |
17996.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].end |
17998.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].text |
我們今天就是要來補這個洞啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].start |
17999.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].end |
18001.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].text |
保定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].start |
18000.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].end |
18001.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].text |
今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].start |
18002.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].end |
18004.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].text |
就是要來補這個洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].start |
18004.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].end |
18009.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].text |
這個食安法的最核心風險都在業者手上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].start |
18009.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].end |
18012.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].text |
主管機關你都不知道耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].start |
18014.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].end |
18016.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].text |
台黨不是這批有的製造者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].start |
18016.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].end |
18017.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].text |
也不是收貨者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].start |
18017.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].end |
18019.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].text |
也不是後續的加工者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].start |
18020.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].end |
18026.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].text |
可是台黨掌握了中聯311號油槽14.7PBB |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].start |
18026.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].end |
18028.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].text |
這個重大的污染的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].start |
18029.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].end |
18032.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].text |
這個資訊就不能只限縮在是台黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].start |
18032.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].end |
18035.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].text |
跟中聯之間的商業資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].start |
18036.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].end |
18039.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].text |
這是足以影響整個使用油紙供應鏈的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].start |
18039.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].end |
18041.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].text |
公共食安風險的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].start |
18042.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].end |
18044.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].text |
所以要請問你部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].start |
18044.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].end |
18045.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].text |
我們要不要討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].start |
18046.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].end |
18047.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].text |
食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].start |
18047.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].end |
18048.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].text |
不管他有沒有買 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].start |
18048.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].end |
18050.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].text |
所有權是誰的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].start |
18050.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].end |
18052.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].text |
只要你掌握了供應鏈中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].start |
18052.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].end |
18054.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].text |
重大食安異常的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].start |
18054.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].end |
18055.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].text |
即便你沒有買 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].start |
18055.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].end |
18056.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].text |
沒有收貨 |
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18056.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].end |
18057.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].text |
要不要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].start |
18057.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].end |
18060.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].text |
然後要不要建立起主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].start |
18060.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].end |
18063.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].text |
應該掌握什麼樣的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].start |
18063.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].end |
18067.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].text |
進行干預的這一個系統和制度的建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].start |
18069.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].end |
18071.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].text |
所以說從兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].start |
18071.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].end |
18073.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].text |
這個通報的擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].start |
18073.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].end |
18075.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].text |
第一個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].start |
18077.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].end |
18079.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].text |
這個現在食安法第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].start |
18079.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].end |
18082.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].text |
產品的異常才通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].start |
18082.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].end |
18084.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].text |
擴大到原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].start |
18084.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].end |
18085.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].text |
半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].start |
18085.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].end |
18089.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].text |
我們跟一些高風險的加工鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].start |
18089.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].end |
18092.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].text |
不管他有沒有收貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].start |
18092.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].end |
18094.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].text |
不管他有沒有買了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].start |
18094.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].end |
18096.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].text |
他一發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].start |
18096.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].end |
18098.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].text |
我們這一次的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].start |
18098.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].end |
18099.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].text |
一共有兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].start |
18099.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].end |
18101.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].text |
第一個是檢驗機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].start |
18101.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].end |
18103.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].text |
檢驗機關你發現了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].start |
18103.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].end |
18105.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].text |
也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].start |
18105.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].end |
18108.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].text |
第二個你的生產供應鏈上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].start |
18108.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].end |
18109.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].text |
你發現了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].start |
18109.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].end |
18111.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].text |
不管你有沒有收貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].start |
18111.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].end |
18112.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].text |
也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].start |
18113.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].end |
18114.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].text |
第三個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].start |
18114.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].end |
18116.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].text |
HACCP的認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].start |
18116.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].end |
18119.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].text |
有發現重大異常也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].start |
18120.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].end |
18123.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].text |
也強化了HACCP過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].start |
18123.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].end |
18124.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].text |
是啦理論上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].start |
18124.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].end |
18125.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].text |
但我要再跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].start |
18125.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].end |
18128.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].text |
屠法不足以自行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].start |
18129.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].end |
18130.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].text |
然後如果你現在說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].start |
18130.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].end |
18132.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].text |
對都要通報的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].start |
18132.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].end |
18134.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].text |
那未來任何食品大廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].start |
18136.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].end |
18139.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].text |
在供應商端驗出重金屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].start |
18139.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].end |
18142.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].text |
黃麴毒素塑化劑本品比等 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].start |
18142.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].end |
18144.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].text |
重大異常事件的鈔標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].start |
18144.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].end |
18147.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].text |
只要拒收退貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].start |
18148.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].end |
18150.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].text |
通通都要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].start |
18152.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].end |
18154.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].text |
都有通報責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].start |
18154.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].end |
18156.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].text |
現在法是要這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].start |
18156.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].end |
18158.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].text |
明確的再更擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].start |
18159.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].end |
18161.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].text |
現行法沒有通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].start |
18161.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].end |
18162.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].text |
這一次要補吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].start |
18162.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].end |
18163.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].text |
對這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].start |
18163.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].end |
18165.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].text |
那我們要講就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].start |
18167.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].end |
18169.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].text |
重大食安異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].start |
18169.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].end |
18170.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].text |
重大風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].start |
18170.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].end |
18172.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].text |
你要怎麼界定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].start |
18172.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].end |
18173.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].text |
你也要想一想 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].start |
18173.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].end |
18175.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].text |
這些我們懂得言之 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].start |
18175.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].end |
18177.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].text |
立法修法的目的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].start |
18177.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].end |
18179.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].text |
這一些異常資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].start |
18179.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].end |
18183.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].text |
不能夠只是停留在業者手上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].start |
18183.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].end |
18185.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].text |
資訊沒有進入主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].start |
18185.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].end |
18187.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].text |
政府就不可能及早封存 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].start |
18187.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].end |
18189.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].text |
追查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].start |
18189.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].end |
18192.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].text |
比對同來人的流向 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].start |
18192.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].end |
18194.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].text |
不可能及時通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].start |
18194.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].end |
18196.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].text |
其他下游業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].start |
18196.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].end |
18199.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].text |
就不可能發生預警的作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].start |
18199.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].end |
18202.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].text |
所以有沒有建立風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].start |
18202.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].end |
18205.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].text |
資訊的責任很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].start |
18205.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].end |
18207.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].text |
而不是只看有沒有買 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].start |
18207.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].end |
18208.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].text |
然後在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].start |
18209.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].end |
18211.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].text |
我們要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].start |
18211.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].end |
18213.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].text |
就部長你還要再想一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].start |
18215.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].end |
18218.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].text |
那通報到你這裡來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].start |
18218.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].end |
18220.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].text |
通報到你這裡來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].start |
18220.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].end |
18222.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].text |
你們要接下來怎麼進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].start |
18222.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].end |
18225.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].text |
因為他可以把不合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].start |
18225.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].end |
18227.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].text |
拿回去可能賣給工業製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].start |
18227.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].end |
18228.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].text |
可是你怎麼知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].start |
18228.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].end |
18230.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].text |
他真的是賣給工業製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].start |
18230.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].end |
18232.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].text |
然後他會說我會精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].start |
18232.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].end |
18234.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].text |
精煉成產品是沒有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].start |
18234.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].end |
18239.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].text |
那你怎麼樣確保確認確定安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].start |
18239.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].end |
18242.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].text |
他是真的符合標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].start |
18243.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].end |
18244.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].text |
所以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].start |
18245.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].end |
18246.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].text |
屠法不足以執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].start |
18246.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].end |
18248.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].text |
接下來是執行面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].start |
18248.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].end |
18251.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].text |
法的執行面很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].start |
18251.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].end |
18253.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].text |
所以在這種狀況裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].start |
18253.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].end |
18256.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].text |
地方政府有足夠的人跟錢嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].start |
18256.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].end |
18257.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].text |
法的執行面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].start |
18258.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].end |
18261.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].text |
接下來就談地方政府的編制 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].start |
18261.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].end |
18263.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].text |
需不需要給人跟錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].start |
18264.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].end |
18265.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].text |
專責的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].start |
18265.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].end |
18267.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].text |
專職的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].start |
18267.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].end |
18269.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].text |
負責的業務承辦員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].start |
18269.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].end |
18270.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].text |
需不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].start |
18271.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].end |
18273.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].text |
這可能也是必要的配套 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].start |
18273.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].end |
18275.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].text |
你利用現有的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].start |
18275.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].end |
18277.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].text |
大家都是兼職兼任 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].start |
18278.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].end |
18279.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].start |
18279.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].end |
18280.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].text |
出事了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].start |
18280.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].end |
18281.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].text |
大家講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].start |
18281.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].end |
18283.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].text |
你去幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].start |
18283.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].end |
18284.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].text |
八年沒驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].start |
18285.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].end |
18287.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].text |
這都來不及了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].start |
18287.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].end |
18292.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].text |
我們想要的是專職專責的這一個業務承辦員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].start |
18292.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].end |
18297.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].text |
他對這個HACCP制度的管理是不是落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].start |
18297.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].end |
18300.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].text |
有沒有可能這方面也應該要同時檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].start |
18300.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].end |
18302.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].text |
這人力的強化這個是要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].start |
18302.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].end |
18304.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].text |
我們過去也一直在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].start |
18304.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].end |
18305.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].text |
要專職專責 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].start |
18305.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].end |
18307.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].text |
稀查的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].start |
18307.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].end |
18308.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].text |
要專責啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].start |
18308.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].end |
18309.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].text |
不是稀查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].start |
18309.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].end |
18311.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].text |
要專職專責 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].start |
18311.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].end |
18313.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].text |
負責最高風險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].start |
18313.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].end |
18315.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].text |
他就是這幾個項目而已嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].start |
18317.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].end |
18319.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].text |
哈 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].start |
18318.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].end |
18320.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].text |
你知道在制度上要彌補 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].start |
18321.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].end |
18323.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].text |
如果主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].start |
18323.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].end |
18326.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].text |
當時知道了這個檢驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].start |
18326.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].end |
18329.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].text |
這個風險是有通報進來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].start |
18329.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].end |
18331.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].text |
你在透過製程的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].start |
18331.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].end |
18333.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].text |
而不是業者自己說了算 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].start |
18334.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].end |
18337.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].text |
結果現行的制度是沒有這一個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].start |
18338.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].end |
18341.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].text |
台糖據說是保護了台糖自己的商譽 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].start |
18341.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].end |
18344.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].text |
並沒有保護到公共的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].start |
18346.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].end |
18348.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].text |
他只保護到自己的商譽 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].start |
18348.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].end |
18352.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].text |
可是這據說不能作為風險的終點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].start |
18352.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].end |
18354.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].text |
對主管機關來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].start |
18354.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].end |
18356.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].text |
新的制度未來的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].start |
18356.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].end |
18358.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].text |
我們應當要理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].start |
18358.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].end |
18363.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].text |
而且要把據說當作是啟動封存 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].start |
18363.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].end |
18366.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].text |
據說一開始據說就通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].start |
18366.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].end |
18368.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].text |
就要啟動封存 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].start |
18368.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].end |
18372.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].text |
據說就要追查加密檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].start |
18372.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].end |
18375.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].text |
或是限制流向的起點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].start |
18376.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].end |
18379.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].text |
我們是希望制度是應該要這樣才對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].start |
18380.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].end |
18382.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].text |
如果沒有這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].start |
18382.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].end |
18384.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].text |
據說異常資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].start |
18385.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].end |
18388.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].text |
他就會仍然會不斷地歷史都會重演 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].start |
18389.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].end |
18391.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].start |
18391.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].end |
18393.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].text |
據說要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].start |
18393.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].end |
18395.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].text |
然後要啟動政府的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].start |
18395.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].end |
18397.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].text |
很重要為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].start |
18397.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].end |
18400.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].text |
這個東西為什麼要專職專責的業務承辦員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].start |
18400.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].end |
18402.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].text |
因為未來也有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].start |
18402.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].end |
18405.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].text |
如果未來一家如品廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].start |
18405.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].end |
18410.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].text |
在供應商端驗出原料奶重大污染 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].start |
18410.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].end |
18411.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].text |
他據說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].start |
18412.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].end |
18415.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].text |
他只是據說他產品安全了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].start |
18415.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].end |
18418.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].text |
可是被據說那一批原料會流到哪裡去不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].start |
18419.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].end |
18421.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].text |
如果一家應用的食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].start |
18421.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].end |
18425.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].text |
在供應商端驗出大宗的原料重金屬鈔標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].start |
18425.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].end |
18427.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].text |
只是據說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].start |
18427.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].end |
18428.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].text |
據說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].start |
18428.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].end |
18429.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].text |
退貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].start |
18431.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].end |
18432.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].text |
這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].start |
18432.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].end |
18433.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].text |
只是他沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].start |
18433.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].end |
18436.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].text |
但那一個原料還會再賣給別人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].start |
18436.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].end |
18439.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].text |
如果使用油脂這一次類似這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].start |
18439.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].end |
18440.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].text |
只是據說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].start |
18440.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].end |
18442.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].text |
主管機關不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].start |
18442.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].end |
18445.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].text |
這個原料還停留在中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].start |
18445.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].end |
18447.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].text |
等待下一個買方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].start |
18447.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].end |
18450.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].text |
下一個買方沒有像台南這麼高標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].start |
18450.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].end |
18453.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].text |
做成食品大家吃下肚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].start |
18453.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].end |
18455.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].text |
現行就是這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].start |
18455.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].end |
18458.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].text |
所以這絕對不是一個假設的題目 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].start |
18458.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].end |
18459.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].text |
中聯就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].start |
18459.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].end |
18462.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].text |
所以未來的修法我們就是講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].start |
18462.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].end |
18464.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].text |
據說退貨通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].start |
18465.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].end |
18468.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].text |
就是主管機關要去介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].start |
18468.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].end |
18471.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].text |
確認封存流向後續處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].start |
18473.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].end |
18475.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].text |
在這種狀況裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].start |
18475.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].end |
18477.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].text |
我們政府的責任就來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6851].start |
18477.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6851].end |
18479.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6851].text |
所以我們這一次我們要再講一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].start |
18479.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].end |
18486.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].text |
整個最上游的少數壟斷的廠商的原料供應的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].start |
18486.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].end |
18488.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].text |
這一些食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].start |
18488.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].end |
18491.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].text |
HACCP制度也沒有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].start |
18491.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].end |
18493.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].text |
也沒有在遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].start |
18493.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].end |
18496.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].text |
食安法的管理也有制度面的漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].start |
18497.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].end |
18498.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].start |
18498.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].end |
18500.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].text |
我們在這個裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].start |
18500.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].end |
18501.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].start |
18502.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].end |
18504.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].text |
一定要開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].start |
18504.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].end |
18508.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].text |
要把自主管理制度收回 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].start |
18508.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].end |
18509.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].text |
我再強調一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].start |
18509.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].end |
18512.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].text |
以前都是叫業者自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].start |
18512.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].end |
18515.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].text |
包括HACCP制度也是叫業者自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].start |
18516.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].end |
18518.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].text |
我們從現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].start |
18518.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].end |
18522.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].text |
要把業者自主管理收回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].start |
18522.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].end |
18525.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].text |
改成高度的政府監管 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].start |
18527.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].end |
18529.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].text |
部長你同意嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].start |
18529.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].end |
18531.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].text |
高度的政府監管 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].start |
18532.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].end |
18534.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].text |
更高程度的這個管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].start |
18534.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].end |
18536.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].text |
這個是我們絕對會支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].start |
18536.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].end |
18538.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].text |
所以在這一次的修法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].start |
18538.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].end |
18540.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].text |
也要求了很多強制性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].start |
18540.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].end |
18542.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].text |
更高程度的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].start |
18542.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].end |
18544.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].text |
到底是要政府管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].start |
18544.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].end |
18545.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].text |
還是業者自己管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].start |
18545.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].end |
18548.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].text |
包含了外部的專業人員的管理介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].start |
18548.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].end |
18549.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].text |
我現在告訴你喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].start |
18549.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].end |
18551.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].text |
沒有所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].start |
18551.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].end |
18553.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].text |
有良心的業者啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].start |
18553.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].end |
18556.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].text |
我現在告訴你沒有這一回事啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].start |
18556.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].end |
18557.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].text |
就這個制度面喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].start |
18557.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].end |
18559.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].text |
你去好好的想一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].start |
18559.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].end |
18560.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].text |
我認為啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].start |
18560.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].end |
18563.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].text |
沒有所謂的有道德有良知的業者啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].start |
18563.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].end |
18565.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].text |
只有法律怎麼規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].start |
18565.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].end |
18567.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].text |
法律是最低的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].start |
18567.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].end |
18569.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].text |
他都可以不遵守了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].start |
18569.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].end |
18571.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].text |
若你還法律是授權給他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].start |
18571.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].end |
18572.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].text |
業者自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].start |
18572.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].end |
18574.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].text |
那一定是破功 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].start |
18574.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].end |
18577.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].text |
而且食安系統性的風暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].start |
18577.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].end |
18579.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].text |
會不斷的上演啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6894].start |
18579.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6894].end |
18580.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6894].text |
這是我提醒你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].start |
18580.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].end |
18581.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].start |
18581.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].end |
18583.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].text |
那就這一次的中聯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].start |
18583.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].end |
18585.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].text |
獨有的事件喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].start |
18585.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].end |
18586.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].text |
311號油潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].start |
18586.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].end |
18588.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].text |
我再提醒你一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].start |
18588.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].end |
18592.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].text |
重大的異常不能只追單一交易 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].start |
18592.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].end |
18597.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].text |
應該要啟動同潮或是同傳奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].start |
18597.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].end |
18600.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].text |
同來源的橫向警示 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].start |
18600.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].end |
18603.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].text |
未來只要高風險食品原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].start |
18603.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].end |
18606.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].text |
在供應商端驗出重大的鈔標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].start |
18607.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].end |
18609.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].text |
你就要開始要求業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].start |
18609.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].end |
18611.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].text |
立即同潮同傳奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].start |
18611.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].end |
18613.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].text |
同來源同製整 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].start |
18613.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].end |
18615.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].text |
同批次的完整資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].start |
18615.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].end |
18617.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].text |
而並通知可能受影響的買方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].start |
18618.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].end |
18620.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].text |
檢驗或暫停使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].start |
18620.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].end |
18622.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].text |
如果沒有這道橫向的指示 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].start |
18622.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].end |
18626.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].text |
政府會永遠都在等下一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].start |
18626.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].end |
18630.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].text |
下游驗出鈔標再回溯去找上游 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].start |
18631.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].end |
18632.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].text |
不能這麼被動啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].start |
18633.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].end |
18634.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].text |
他的那個油潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].start |
18634.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].end |
18637.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].text |
跟那個油潮同一批貨來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].start |
18637.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].end |
18639.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].text |
同一個傳奇的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].start |
18639.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].end |
18640.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].text |
同一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].start |
18641.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].end |
18642.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].text |
練油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].start |
18642.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].end |
18643.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].text |
其他的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].start |
18644.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].end |
18646.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].text |
一起查一起驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].start |
18647.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].end |
18649.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].text |
你只驗那一潮也不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].start |
18649.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].end |
18651.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].text |
只驗那一批也不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].start |
18651.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].end |
18654.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].text |
當然你們這次擴大驗了三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].start |
18654.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].end |
18655.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].text |
起屁 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].start |
18655.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].end |
18657.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].text |
一共是30批 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].start |
18657.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].end |
18659.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].text |
不過那個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].start |
18659.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].end |
18660.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].text |
他沒有成批啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].start |
18660.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].end |
18662.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].text |
他是另外那個是在潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].start |
18662.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].end |
18663.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].text |
另外是30批 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].start |
18663.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].end |
18665.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].text |
我現在跟你說的不是同 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].start |
18665.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].end |
18666.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].text |
哪幾批而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].start |
18666.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].end |
18668.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].text |
其實同傳奇的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].start |
18668.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].end |
18670.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].text |
同一批來源的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].start |
18670.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].end |
18672.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].text |
其實都是有很大的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].start |
18672.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].end |
18673.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].start |
18673.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].end |
18676.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].text |
食品雲不能只追產品流向啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].start |
18676.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].end |
18680.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].text |
如果按照現在食品雲的管理的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].start |
18680.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].end |
18682.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].text |
你們現在說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].start |
18682.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].end |
18684.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].text |
修法要強化數位治理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].start |
18684.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].end |
18686.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].text |
那你數位治理要治理什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].start |
18688.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].end |
18689.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].text |
你們講的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].start |
18689.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].end |
18691.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].text |
要強化數位治理要治理什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].start |
18691.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].end |
18693.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].text |
當然就是強化他這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].start |
18693.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].end |
18694.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].text |
我們剛剛前面的通報啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].start |
18694.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].end |
18696.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].text |
包含這個檢驗的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].start |
18696.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].end |
18697.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].text |
我們會把它建立起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].start |
18697.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].end |
18699.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].text |
過去的檢驗是沒有直接通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].start |
18699.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].end |
18700.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].start |
18700.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].end |
18703.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].text |
你們的過去只記錄進貨啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].start |
18703.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].end |
18704.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].text |
出貨啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].start |
18704.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].end |
18705.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].text |
流向啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].start |
18705.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].end |
18707.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].text |
只看得到已經進入供應鏈的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].start |
18707.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].end |
18709.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].text |
然後沒有看到被退貨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].start |
18709.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].end |
18710.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].text |
不合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].start |
18710.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].end |
18712.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].text |
風潮採樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].start |
18712.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].end |
18714.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].text |
拒收檢驗異常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].start |
18714.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].end |
18716.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].text |
通通都沒有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].start |
18716.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].end |
18719.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].text |
那看不到他最早的風險訊號嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].start |
18719.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].end |
18720.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].text |
在這種狀況裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].start |
18720.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].end |
18722.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].text |
可是你看到這個風險訊號你知道喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].start |
18722.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].end |
18724.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].text |
他都沒有出現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].start |
18726 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].end |
18728 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].text |
台糖的生產資料裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].start |
18728 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].end |
18730 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].text |
也不會出現在台糖的產品流向 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].start |
18731.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].end |
18734.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].text |
那也沒有進入台糖的進貨資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].start |
18734.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].end |
18735.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].text |
通通都沒有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].start |
18736.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].end |
18737.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].text |
都沒有喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].start |
18737.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].end |
18739.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].text |
可是這個油沒有消失啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].start |
18739.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].end |
18740.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].text |
這一批油沒有消失吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].start |
18740.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].end |
18742.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].text |
它仍然在311油槽裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].start |
18743.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].end |
18745.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].text |
就是說你整個食品雲的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].start |
18745.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].end |
18747.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].text |
只看得到產品的流向 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].start |
18747.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].end |
18750.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].text |
但是看不到重大異常的檢驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].start |
18750.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].end |
18751.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].text |
如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].start |
18751.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].end |
18755.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].text |
業者在供應商端採樣驗收前檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].start |
18755.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].end |
18760.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].text |
委託代工檢驗自主檢驗第三方實驗室檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].start |
18760.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].end |
18764.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].text |
發現重大的超標不合格拒收退貨風潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].start |
18764.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].end |
18766.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].text |
暫停存放的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].start |
18767.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].end |
18769.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].text |
這個就是很重要的內幕的蘋果的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].start |
18771.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].end |
18774.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].text |
但是對我們主管機關而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].start |
18774.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].end |
18777.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].text |
這個就是一個風險的警訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].start |
18777.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].end |
18779.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].text |
我們都應該要掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].start |
18779.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].end |
18782.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].text |
我不是說所有不合格都要登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].start |
18782.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].end |
18788.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].text |
但是應該強制登錄的是高風險食品業別 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].start |
18788.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].end |
18791.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].text |
重大污染物超過法定標準或達一定倍數 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].start |
18791.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].end |
18794.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].text |
可能影響多家下游的異常結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].start |
18794.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].end |
18796.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].text |
在這種狀況裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].start |
18796.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].end |
18798.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].text |
我們要記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].start |
18798.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].end |
18803.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].text |
你們的方向跟我講的方向是一致的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].start |
18803.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].end |
18807.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].text |
對 就是我們過去在這個登錄的部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].start |
18807.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].end |
18809.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].text |
禁跟出 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].start |
18809.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].end |
18812.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].text |
而且只登錄合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].start |
18812.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].end |
18815.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].text |
只登錄合格的禁跟出 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].start |
18815.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].end |
18817.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].text |
對 他就是進入他的加工鏈的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].start |
18817.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].end |
18819.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].text |
他是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].start |
18819.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].end |
18821.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].text |
但我希望你們開始要建置 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].start |
18821.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].end |
18824.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].text |
登錄不合格的叫他要登錄出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].start |
18825.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].end |
18827.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].text |
我們不能夠只要求業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].start |
18827.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].end |
18830.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].text |
把合格的資料給政府看 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].start |
18830.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].end |
18832.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].text |
只登錄合格的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].start |
18832.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].end |
18837.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].text |
真正的風險往往是在於不合格的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].start |
18837.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].end |
18841.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].text |
因為合格資料告訴政府什麼可以出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].start |
18841.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].end |
18844.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].text |
可是不合格的資料告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].start |
18844.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].end |
18847.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].text |
哪裡可能正要出事了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].start |
18847.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].end |
18849.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].text |
所以你的食品雲登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].start |
18849.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].end |
18853.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].text |
只要求業者登錄進貨出貨產品流向 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].start |
18853.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].end |
18857.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].text |
沒有納入不合格的重大的異常的檢驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].start |
18858.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].end |
18860.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].text |
政府永遠慢半拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].start |
18860.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].end |
18863.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].text |
人民永遠都要把有毒的吃進去以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].start |
18863.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].end |
18866.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].text |
才在那裡氣急敗壞就擇於政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].start |
18867.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].end |
18871.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].text |
然後永遠要等下游驗出超標產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].start |
18871.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].end |
18877.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].text |
已經進入所有的各個機關、團散、家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].start |
18877.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].end |
18880.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].text |
政府才要回頭追流向查原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].start |
18880.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].end |
18883.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].text |
這不是數位治理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].start |
18883.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].end |
18887.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].text |
而是已經發生的交易記錄電子化而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].start |
18887.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].end |
18891.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].text |
所以真正有預警價值的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].start |
18891.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].end |
18895.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].text |
要登錄重大異常檢驗資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].start |
18895.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].end |
18897.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].text |
不能讓這個異常檢驗資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].start |
18897.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].end |
18899.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].text |
留在業者手上而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].start |
18899.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].end |
18900.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].text |
叫他登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].start |
18901.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].end |
18903.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].text |
但如果他不登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].start |
18903.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].end |
18905.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].text |
我們第三方檢驗出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].start |
18905.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].end |
18909.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].text |
或是你的買主給你退貨了也會通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].start |
18911.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].end |
18913.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].text |
一樣要通報啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].start |
18913.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].end |
18916.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].text |
你會被通報不如你自己主動登錄啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].start |
18916.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].end |
18918.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].text |
當你登錄了異常的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].start |
18918.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].end |
18921.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].text |
你主管機關要通知地方政府啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].start |
18921.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].end |
18923.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].text |
你對那一批次那一些貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].start |
18924.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].end |
18926.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].text |
你要高度的監管 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].start |
18926.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].end |
18928.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].text |
因為他超標很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].start |
18929.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].end |
18931.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].text |
最後他怎麼處理安不安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].start |
18931.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].end |
18933.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].text |
流向哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].start |
18934.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].end |
18936.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].text |
政府要給人民交代 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].start |
18938.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].end |
18940.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].text |
我最後再講最後一句就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].start |
18940.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].end |
18942.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].text |
人民的期待是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].start |
18942.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].end |
18944.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].text |
在架上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].start |
18945.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].end |
18947.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].text |
政府都應該是把關過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].start |
18947.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].end |
18949.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].text |
都是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].start |
18949.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].end |
18951.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].text |
而現在並不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].start |
18951.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].end |
18955.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].text |
我們希望未來都應該要是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].start |
18957.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].end |
18959.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].text |
這樣子部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].start |
18959.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].end |
18961.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].text |
叫他們不合格異常要登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].start |
18961.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].end |
18965.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].text |
如果你HACCP制度要通報了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].start |
18965.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].end |
18969.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].text |
如果你的第三方檢驗的實驗室要通報了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].start |
18969.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].end |
18973.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].text |
如果向台糖買到也要通報了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].start |
18972.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].end |
18974.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].text |
那也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].start |
18974.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].end |
18976.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].text |
登錄對他們來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].start |
18976.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].end |
18978.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].text |
是同樣一件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].start |
18980.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].end |
18982.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].text |
所以對業者來講沒有壓力了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].start |
18983.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].end |
18987.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].text |
這是越透明越公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].start |
18987.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].end |
18989.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].text |
對消費者有保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].start |
18989.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].end |
18991.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].text |
但對業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].start |
18991.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].end |
18993.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].text |
自己來講也是有保障的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].start |
18993.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].end |
18995.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].text |
不要被人家通報了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].start |
18995.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].end |
18997.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].text |
再來被處分啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].start |
18997.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].end |
18999.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].start |
19000.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].end |
19002.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].text |
部長你有同意嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].start |
19002.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].end |
19004.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].text |
因為這次我們是要求連這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].start |
19004.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].end |
19006.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].text |
自設實驗室的檢驗也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].start |
19006.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].end |
19008.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].text |
就等於是要登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].start |
19008.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].end |
19010.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].text |
概念是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].start |
19010.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].end |
19012.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].text |
是沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].start |
19012.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].end |
19014.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].text |
所以我們希望所有制度都不是參考用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].start |
19014.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].end |
19016.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].text |
你們目前為止HACCP制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].start |
19016.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].end |
19018.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].text |
不是只有使用油紙啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].start |
19018.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].end |
19020.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].text |
HACCP的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].start |
19020.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].end |
19022.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].text |
符合這個工廠製造HACCP的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].start |
19022.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].end |
19024.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].text |
有幾間全國 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].start |
19026.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].end |
19028.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].text |
其實HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].start |
19028.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].end |
19030.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].text |
水瓶廠都是大廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].start |
19030.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].end |
19032.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].text |
超級大廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].start |
19031.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].end |
19033.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].text |
食藥署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].start |
19033.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].end |
19035.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].text |
所有HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].start |
19035.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].end |
19037.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].text |
制度的所有食品加工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].start |
19037.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].end |
19039.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].text |
全部都應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].start |
19039.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].end |
19041.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].text |
好好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].start |
19041.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].end |
19043.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].text |
盤整一次啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7078].start |
19043.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7078].end |
19045.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7078].text |
造假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].start |
19045.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].end |
19047.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].text |
百分之百 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].start |
19047.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].end |
19049.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].text |
很多啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].start |
19049.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].end |
19051.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].text |
很多啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].start |
19051.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].end |
19053.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].text |
虛擬偽儀啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].start |
19053.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].end |
19055.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].text |
書面作業啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].start |
19054.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].end |
19056.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].text |
不是真正的HACCP啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].start |
19056.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].end |
19058.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].start |
19058.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].end |
19060.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].text |
好謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].start |
19060.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].end |
19062.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].start |
19062.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].end |
19064.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].text |
好 抱歉我再問最後一句 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].start |
19064.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].end |
19066.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].text |
一個啦 因為台灣苦茶油的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].start |
19068.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].end |
19070.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].text |
我現在問署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].start |
19070.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].end |
19072.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].text |
苦茶油沒有品名標示標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].start |
19072.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].end |
19074.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].start |
19075.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].end |
19077.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].text |
沒有制定品名標示標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].start |
19077.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].end |
19079.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].text |
意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].start |
19079.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].end |
19081.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].text |
苦茶油根本台灣沒有界定什麼叫做苦茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].start |
19081.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].end |
19083.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].text |
沒有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].start |
19084.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].end |
19086.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].text |
這個部分我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].start |
19086.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].end |
19088.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].text |
知道這個要做一些修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].start |
19088.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].end |
19090.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].text |
油的部分油品的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].start |
19090.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].end |
19092.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].text |
這些是本品比 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].start |
19092.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].end |
19094.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].text |
沒有不是這樣子啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].start |
19094.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].end |
19096.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].text |
第一個苦茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].start |
19096.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].end |
19098.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].text |
台灣沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].start |
19098.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].end |
19100.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].text |
制定什麼叫做苦茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].start |
19100.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].end |
19102.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].text |
的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].start |
19102.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].end |
19104.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].text |
沒有品名標示標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].start |
19104.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].end |
19106.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].text |
所以混油也可以叫做苦茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].start |
19106.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].end |
19108.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].start |
19108.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].end |
19110.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].text |
因為沒有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].start |
19110.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].end |
19112.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].text |
什麼才能夠叫做苦茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].start |
19112.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].end |
19114.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].text |
所以會有混油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].start |
19113.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].end |
19115.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].text |
但是台灣目前沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].start |
19115.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].end |
19117.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].text |
混油的檢驗方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].start |
19117.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].end |
19119.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].start |
19119.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].end |
19121.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].text |
苦茶油的混油檢驗方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].start |
19122.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].end |
19124.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].start |
19124.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].end |
19126.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].text |
這個部分的確我們在積極的研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].start |
19126.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].end |
19128.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].text |
因為裡面有混甲 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].start |
19128.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].end |
19130.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].text |
混沙拉油大豆油等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].start |
19130.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].end |
19132.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].text |
其實它的成分的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].start |
19132.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].end |
19134.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].text |
以目前的檢驗我們有信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].start |
19134.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].end |
19136.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].text |
應該是可以開發出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].start |
19136.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].end |
19138.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].text |
好你們現在目前沒有檢驗方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].start |
19138.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].end |
19140.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].text |
所以我講這個是什麼意思呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].start |
19140.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].end |
19142.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].text |
因為新聞報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].start |
19142.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].end |
19144.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].text |
中國的種子來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].start |
19144.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].end |
19146.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].text |
檢驗了沒有本品比超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].start |
19147.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].end |
19149.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].text |
他是這樣很多報導是這樣講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].start |
19149.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].end |
19151.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].text |
他不是驗那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].start |
19151.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].end |
19153.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].text |
苦茶籽 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].start |
19153.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].end |
19155.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].text |
他是說做出來的苦茶油沒有超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].start |
19155.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].end |
19157.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].text |
對但是有機商店的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].start |
19157.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].end |
19159.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].text |
永豐宇的都超標啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].start |
19159.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].end |
19161.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].text |
產品一樣是最末端的產品都超標啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].start |
19161.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].end |
19163.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].text |
我現在不是要講這個啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].start |
19163.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].end |
19165.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].text |
我是要跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].start |
19165.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].end |
19167.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].text |
其實我自己高度的懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].start |
19167.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].end |
19169.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].text |
是混油啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].start |
19170.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].end |
19172.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].text |
真正超標的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[7140].start |
19172.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7140].end |
19174.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7140].text |
沒有可能其實是加很多的大豆沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7141].start |
19174.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7141].end |
19176.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7141].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7142].start |
19176.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7142].end |
19178.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7142].text |
加了大豆沙拉油的苦茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7143].start |
19178.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7143].end |
19180.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7143].text |
沒有違法因為法律沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].start |
19180.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].end |
19182.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].text |
訂定什麼叫做苦茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7145].start |
19182.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7145].end |
19184.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7145].text |
現在目前也沒有檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7146].start |
19184.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7146].end |
19186.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7146].text |
有沒有混油的檢驗方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].start |
19186.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].end |
19188.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7148].start |
19188.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7148].end |
19190.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7148].text |
我希望你們要去改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[7149].start |
19191.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7149].end |
19193.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7149].text |
你們要嚴格管理啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7150].start |
19193.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7150].end |
19195.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7150].text |
第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].start |
19195.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].end |
19197.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].text |
我們很多關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7152].start |
19197.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7152].end |
19199.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7152].text |
台灣農業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].start |
19199.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].end |
19201.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].text |
也有很多委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7154].start |
19201.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7154].end |
19203.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7154].text |
在關心的我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[7155].start |
19203.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7155].end |
19205.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7155].text |
原料來源果要標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].start |
19205.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].end |
19207.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].text |
這個你們會不會支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].start |
19208.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].end |
19210.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].text |
原料來源果 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].start |
19210.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].end |
19212.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].text |
現在的油品的標示有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].start |
19212.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].end |
19214.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].text |
如果你是有混油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].start |
19214.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].end |
19216.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].text |
你就不能稱為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7161].start |
19216.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7161].end |
19218.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7161].text |
你要用調和油的方式標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[7162].start |
19218.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7162].end |
19220.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7162].text |
沒有你的苦茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].start |
19220.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].end |
19222.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].text |
沒有訂出品名標示標準啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7164].start |
19222.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7164].end |
19224.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7164].text |
你哪裡有混油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].start |
19224.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].end |
19226.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].text |
調和油這種名稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].start |
19226.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].end |
19228.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].text |
這個是通則啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].start |
19228.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].end |
19230.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].text |
好來但我不是要講這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].start |
19230.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].end |
19232.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].text |
我是講這個是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].start |
19232.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].end |
19234.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].text |
是沒有混油的話沒有混油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].start |
19234.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].end |
19236.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].text |
但是你的種子來自於中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].start |
19236.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].end |
19238.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].text |
你要標示原料種子 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].start |
19238.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].end |
19240.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].text |
來自於中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].start |
19241.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].end |
19243.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].text |
我是要要求這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].start |
19243.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].end |
19245.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].text |
有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].start |
19245.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].end |
19247.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].text |
對原料原產地的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].start |
19247.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].end |
19249.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].text |
我們的確這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].start |
19249.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].end |
19251.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].text |
原料原產地 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].start |
19251.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].end |
19253.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].text |
特別是這些農產品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].start |
19253.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].end |
19255.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].text |
這一些原料原產地 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].start |
19255.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].end |
19257.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].text |
要標示來源果 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].start |
19257.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].end |
19259.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].text |
這個是社會高度關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].start |
19259.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].end |
19261.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].text |
也是這一次苦茶油事件裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].start |
19261.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].end |
19263.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].text |
大家相當關注的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].start |
19263.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].end |
19265.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].text |
但是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].start |
19265.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].end |
19267.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].text |
這個要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].start |
19267.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].end |
19269.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].text |
修改要立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].start |
19269.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].end |
19271.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].text |
要修法之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].start |
19271.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].end |
19273.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].text |
就這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].start |
19272.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].end |
19274.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].text |
苦茶油的相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].start |
19274.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].end |
19276.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].text |
包括其他的油品都一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].start |
19277 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].end |
19279 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].text |
品名標示標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].start |
19279 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].end |
19281 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].text |
然後規定出來以後就要有檢驗的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].start |
19281 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].end |
19283 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].text |
沒有檢驗方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].start |
19283 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].end |
19285 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].text |
你沒有辦法證明它混油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].start |
19286 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].end |
19288 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].text |
你說不可以混油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].start |
19288 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].end |
19290 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].text |
現行的通則就規定不能混 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].start |
19290 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].end |
19292 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].text |
混的話要標示調和油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].start |
19292 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].end |
19294 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].text |
但是你沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].start |
19294 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].end |
19296 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].text |
苦茶油混油的檢驗方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].start |
19296 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].end |
19298 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].text |
你怎麼去確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].start |
19298 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].end |
19300 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].text |
它的混油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].start |
19300 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].end |
19302 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].text |
是真的混油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].start |
19302 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].end |
19304 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].text |
它在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].start |
19304.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].end |
19306.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].text |
硬拗你怎麼確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].start |
19306.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].end |
19308.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].text |
你連檢驗方法都沒有公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].start |
19308.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].end |
19310.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].text |
現在也沒辦法檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].start |
19310.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].end |
19312.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].text |
不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].start |
19312.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].end |
19314.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].start |
19314.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].end |
19316.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].text |
當然這個檢驗方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].start |
19316.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].end |
19318.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].text |
現在食藥署在積極的開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].start |
19318.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].end |
19320.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].text |
去驗它關於它的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].start |
19320.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].end |
19322.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].text |
脂肪酸的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].start |
19322.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].end |
19324.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].text |
不同的脂肪酸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].start |
19324.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].end |
19326.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].text |
不過我們現在在查的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].start |
19326.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].end |
19328.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].text |
是根據它的原料的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].start |
19328.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].end |
19330.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].text |
採購證明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].start |
19330.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].end |
19332.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].text |
你們現在要證明它是中國原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].start |
19332.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].end |
19334.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].text |
還是在地 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].start |
19334.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].end |
19336.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].text |
但是本篇比的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].start |
19336.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].end |
19338.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].text |
能加中國原料製成的苦茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].start |
19338.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].end |
19340.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].text |
就是有好幾批 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].start |
19340.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].end |
19342.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].text |
驗出來沒有超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].start |
19343.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].end |
19345.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].text |
我不是替中國總指講話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].start |
19345.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].end |
19347.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].text |
我是要告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].start |
19347.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].end |
19349.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].text |
真正有可能風險的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].start |
19349.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].end |
19351.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].text |
是來自於混油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].start |
19350.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].end |
19352.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].text |
風險的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].start |
19352.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].end |
19354.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].text |
在中聯你們公布那有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].start |
19354.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].end |
19356.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].text |
批次流向的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].start |
19356.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].end |
19358.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].text |
就很多自由工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7231].start |
19358.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7231].end |
19360.93 |
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買了很多大豆沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].start |
19360.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].end |
19362.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].text |
這個是事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].start |
19362.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].end |
19364.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].text |
包括苦茶油工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].start |
19364.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].end |
19366.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].text |
也有人買大豆沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].start |
19367.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].end |
19369.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].text |
所以混油你們一直都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].start |
19369.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].end |
19371.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].text |
朝混油的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].start |
19371.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].end |
19373.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].text |
那沒有朝混油的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].start |
19373.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].end |
19375.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].text |
我也可以理解因為你們也沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].start |
19375.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].end |
19377.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].text |
檢驗的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].start |
19377.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].end |
19379.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].text |
所以對你們來講是一個非常困難的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].start |
19379.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].end |
19381.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].text |
那過去沒有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].start |
19381.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].end |
19383.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].text |
出規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].start |
19383.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].end |
19385.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].text |
未來我們希望你們儘速 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].start |
19385.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].end |
19387.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].text |
馬上把該 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].start |
19387.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].end |
19389.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].text |
補起來的豆馬上補起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].start |
19389.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].end |
19391.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].text |
把食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].start |
19391.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].end |
19393.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].text |
還給我們人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].start |
19393.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].end |
19395.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].text |
是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].start |
19396.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].end |
19398.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].text |
我們趕快來開發這個檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].start |
19403.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].end |
19405.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].start |
19405.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].end |
19407.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].text |
謝謝我們林主任委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].start |
19407.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].end |
19409.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].text |
那我們現在休息到兩點半 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].start |
19409.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].end |
19411.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].text |
兩點三十分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].start |
21427.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].end |
21429.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].text |
好我們現在開始開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].start |
21433.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].end |
21435.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].text |
好那請我們王政序委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].start |
21447.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].end |
21449.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].start |
21449.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].end |
21451.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].text |
我們有請衛福部時部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].start |
21452.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].end |
21454.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].text |
經濟部賴次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].start |
21454.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].end |
21456.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].text |
食藥署江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].start |
21456.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].end |
21458.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].text |
台唐的蔡副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].start |
21460.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].end |
21462.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].start |
21464.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].end |
21466.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].text |
大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].start |
21466.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].end |
21468.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].text |
我想一開始還是要針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].start |
21468.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].end |
21470.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].text |
台唐的部分這是我們今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].start |
21470.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].end |
21472.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].text |
這個專報的主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].start |
21472.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].end |
21474.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].text |
行政機關來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].start |
21474.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].end |
21476.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].text |
做一點說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].start |
21476.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].end |
21478.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].text |
主要還是這三大項 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].start |
21479.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].end |
21481.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].text |
早上已經講過太多太多次了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].start |
21481.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].end |
21483.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].text |
不過我相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].start |
21483.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].end |
21485.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].text |
還是需要再強調一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].start |
21485.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].end |
21487.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].text |
那就簡短麻煩部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].start |
21487.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].end |
21489.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].text |
代表針對這三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].start |
21489.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].end |
21491.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].text |
台唐的通報是否是法定義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].start |
21491.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].end |
21493.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].text |
那台唐 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].start |
21493.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].end |
21495.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].text |
買中聯這些辦成品是用來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].start |
21495.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].end |
21497.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].text |
做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].start |
21497.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].end |
21499.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].text |
做一項如果在修食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].start |
21499.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].end |
21501.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].text |
要求原料辦成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].start |
21501.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].end |
21503.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].text |
有回應到這個衛生安全之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].start |
21503.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].end |
21505.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].text |
有通報義務的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].start |
21505.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].end |
21507.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].text |
主管機關的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].start |
21507.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].end |
21509.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].text |
麻煩部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].start |
21509.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].end |
21511.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].text |
簡單的再跟大家做一次的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].start |
21511.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].end |
21513.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].text |
好跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].start |
21513.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].end |
21515.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].text |
在我們整個食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].start |
21515.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].end |
21517.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].text |
的概念裡面我們一直 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].start |
21517.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].end |
21519.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].text |
強調全民共同監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].start |
21519.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].end |
21521.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].text |
所以每個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].start |
21521.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].end |
21523.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].text |
不論是廠商不論是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].start |
21523.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].end |
21525.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].text |
消費者只要有這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7292].start |
21525.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7292].end |
21527.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7292].text |
這個發現的這個有害 |
| transcript.whisperx[7293].start |
21527.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7293].end |
21529.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7293].text |
有這個健康危害之餘的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7294].start |
21529.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7294].end |
21531.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7294].text |
來通報我們都是歡迎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7295].start |
21531.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7295].end |
21533.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7295].text |
也很鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[7296].start |
21533.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7296].end |
21535.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7296].text |
但是回到依法論法這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7297].start |
21535.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7297].end |
21537.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7297].text |
屬於的強制義務的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7298].start |
21537.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7298].end |
21539.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7298].text |
那麼在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7299].start |
21539.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7299].end |
21541.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7299].text |
食安法第七條就寫得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[7300].start |
21541.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7300].end |
21543.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7300].text |
那是食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7301].start |
21543.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7301].end |
21545.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7301].text |
針對他的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7302].start |
21545.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7302].end |
21547.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7302].text |
那麼有這個健康危害之餘的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7303].start |
21547.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7303].end |
21549.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7303].text |
他要有向 |
| transcript.whisperx[7304].start |
21549.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7304].end |
21551.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7304].text |
這個主管機關通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[7305].start |
21551.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7305].end |
21553.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7305].text |
所以這個是第一個很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[7306].start |
21553.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7306].end |
21555.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7306].text |
那第二個呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7307].start |
21555.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7307].end |
21557.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7307].text |
那麼什麼叫做危害健康之餘呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7308].start |
21557.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7308].end |
21559.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7308].text |
那就要看他是哪一個樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[7309].start |
21559.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7309].end |
21561.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7309].text |
那麼在現在食安法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7310].start |
21561.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7310].end |
21563.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7310].text |
有一種是食品添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[7311].start |
21563.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7311].end |
21565.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7311].text |
這個是在這個第三條明訂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7312].start |
21565.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7312].end |
21567.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7312].text |
那麼食品添加物呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7313].start |
21567.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7313].end |
21569.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7313].text |
沒有說可以添加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7314].start |
21569.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7314].end |
21571.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7314].text |
不得添加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7315].start |
21571.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7315].end |
21573.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7315].text |
那個就是通通要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[7316].start |
21573.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7316].end |
21575.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7316].text |
那個就是違反這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7317].start |
21575.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7317].end |
21577.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7317].text |
有這個危害健康安全之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[7318].start |
21577.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7318].end |
21579.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7318].text |
那如果是訂有衛生安全標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7319].start |
21579.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7319].end |
21581.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7319].text |
就看那個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7320].start |
21581.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7320].end |
21583.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7320].text |
訂的是什麼品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[7321].start |
21583.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7321].end |
21585.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7321].text |
那超過標準那他就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7322].start |
21585.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7322].end |
21587.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7322].text |
有危害這個健康之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[7323].start |
21587.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7323].end |
21589.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7323].text |
所以以這個油脂類為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7324].start |
21589.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7324].end |
21591.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7324].text |
為例我們訂的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7325].start |
21591.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7325].end |
21593.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7325].text |
實用油脂的BAP |
| transcript.whisperx[7326].start |
21593.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7326].end |
21595.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7326].text |
不包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[7327].start |
21595.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7327].end |
21597.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7327].text |
跟油脂製造的所有的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[7328].start |
21597.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7328].end |
21599.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7328].text |
不是的 我們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7329].start |
21599.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7329].end |
21601.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7329].text |
只有針對的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7330].start |
21601.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7330].end |
21603.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7330].text |
實用油脂的BAP標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7331].start |
21603.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7331].end |
21605.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7331].text |
那麼因此台糖這一次所購買的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7332].start |
21605.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7332].end |
21607.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7332].text |
這個是叫脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7333].start |
21607.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7333].end |
21609.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7333].text |
我們沒有訂脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7334].start |
21609.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7334].end |
21611.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7334].text |
我們也沒有訂黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7335].start |
21611.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7335].end |
21613.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7335].text |
他的BAP標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7336].start |
21613.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7336].end |
21615.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7336].text |
是訂在這個所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7337].start |
21615.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7337].end |
21617.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7337].text |
實用最終產品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7338].start |
21617.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7338].end |
21619.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7338].text |
這個實用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[7339].start |
21619.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7339].end |
21621.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7339].text |
所以從這樣來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7340].start |
21621.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7340].end |
21623.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7340].text |
了解大概就很清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7341].start |
21623.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7341].end |
21625.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7341].text |
那麼不過未來在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7342].start |
21625.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7342].end |
21627.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7342].text |
修食安法特別是第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[7343].start |
21627.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7343].end |
21629.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7343].text |
的部分我們也做了大幅的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7344].start |
21629.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7344].end |
21631.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7344].text |
修正 那麼包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].start |
21631.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].end |
21633.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].text |
這個通報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7346].start |
21633.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7346].end |
21635.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7346].text |
義務 那麼甚至通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].start |
21635.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].end |
21637.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].text |
的對象 那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].start |
21637.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].end |
21639.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].text |
相關的罰則的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].start |
21639.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].end |
21641.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].text |
提升 那麼我們都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7350].start |
21641.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7350].end |
21643.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7350].text |
有提出相關的修法來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].start |
21643.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].end |
21645.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].text |
精進整個預警的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].start |
21645.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].end |
21647.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].text |
效果 所以再請 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].start |
21647.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].end |
21649.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].text |
再請委員屆時再給我們一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7354].start |
21649.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7354].end |
21651.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7354].text |
指教 好 其實我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7355].start |
21651.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7355].end |
21653.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7355].text |
很期待趕快能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7356].start |
21653.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7356].end |
21655.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7356].text |
開始修這個食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7357].start |
21655.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7357].end |
21657.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7357].text |
能逐條來審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7358].start |
21657.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7358].end |
21659.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7358].text |
那也謝謝我們幾位 |
| transcript.whisperx[7359].start |
21659.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7359].end |
21661.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7359].text |
官員 那就麻煩其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[7360].start |
21661.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7360].end |
21663.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7360].text |
官員請回座 除了我們部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7361].start |
21663.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7361].end |
21665.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7361].text |
持續來跟我們來一起討論以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[7362].start |
21665.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7362].end |
21667.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7362].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7363].start |
21667.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7363].end |
21669.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7363].text |
那這陣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7364].start |
21669.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7364].end |
21671.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7364].text |
這個自來油的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7365].start |
21671.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7365].end |
21673.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7365].text |
我認為啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7366].start |
21673.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7366].end |
21675.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7366].text |
當務之急應該是要趕快來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7367].start |
21675.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7367].end |
21677.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7367].text |
跟修補食安法現有的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7368].start |
21677.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7368].end |
21679.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7368].text |
法規的缺漏 |
| transcript.whisperx[7369].start |
21679.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7369].end |
21681.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7369].text |
從制度面來落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7370].start |
21681.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7370].end |
21683.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7370].text |
防堵 避免這些的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7371].start |
21683.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7371].end |
21685.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7371].text |
再次的發生 我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[7372].start |
21685.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7372].end |
21687.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7372].text |
這是國人非常非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7373].start |
21687.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7373].end |
21689.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7373].text |
期待 那也 |
| transcript.whisperx[7374].start |
21689.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7374].end |
21691.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7374].text |
一定要把這個事情做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7375].start |
21691.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7375].end |
21693.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7375].text |
不過在這個過程裡面我們也看到一則 |
| transcript.whisperx[7376].start |
21693.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7376].end |
21695.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7376].text |
新聞 就是台中市議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7377].start |
21695.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7377].end |
21697.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7377].text |
他有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7378].start |
21697.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7378].end |
21699.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7378].text |
指出說台中市政府明年度的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7379].start |
21699.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7379].end |
21701.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7379].text |
食安預算比今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7380].start |
21701.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7380].end |
21703.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7380].text |
減少變略了一千多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[7381].start |
21703.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7381].end |
21705.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7381].text |
那市政府的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7382].start |
21705.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7382].end |
21707.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7382].text |
解釋是說因為中央少給了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7383].start |
21707.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7383].end |
21709.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7383].text |
食安獎勵金 |
| transcript.whisperx[7384].start |
21709.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7384].end |
21711.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7384].text |
那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7385].start |
21711.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7385].end |
21713.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7385].text |
這筆的經費的叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[7386].start |
21713.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7386].end |
21715.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7386].text |
食安獎勵金嘛 那意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7387].start |
21715.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7387].end |
21717.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7387].text |
應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7388].start |
21717.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7388].end |
21719.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7388].text |
地方政府把食安法官的表現 |
| transcript.whisperx[7389].start |
21719.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7389].end |
21721.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7389].text |
很優良 值得 |
| transcript.whisperx[7390].start |
21721.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7390].end |
21723.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7390].text |
做更多的獎勵的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7391].start |
21723.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7391].end |
21725.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7391].text |
中央才會給額外的肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7392].start |
21725.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7392].end |
21727.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7392].text |
跟實質的鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[7393].start |
21727.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7393].end |
21729.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7393].text |
這是一個bonus的概念 我想大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[7394].start |
21729.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7394].end |
21731.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7394].text |
從這個名稱上來看是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7395].start |
21731.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7395].end |
21733.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7395].text |
清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7396].start |
21733.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7396].end |
21735.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7396].text |
所以如果是一筆額外的獎勵金 |
| transcript.whisperx[7397].start |
21735.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7397].end |
21737.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7397].text |
他地方政府沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7398].start |
21737.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7398].end |
21739.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7398].text |
爭取到這一筆獎勵的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7399].start |
21739.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7399].end |
21741.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7399].text |
那直接來減少變略地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[7400].start |
21741.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7400].end |
21743.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7400].text |
整體的基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7401].start |
21743.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7401].end |
21745.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7401].text |
食安的預算 這感覺怪怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[7402].start |
21745.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7402].end |
21747.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7402].text |
我不知道部長你怎麼想 |
| transcript.whisperx[7403].start |
21747.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7403].end |
21749.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7403].text |
有沒有覺得怪怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[7404].start |
21749.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7404].end |
21751.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7404].text |
這個說法到底正不正確和不合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7405].start |
21751.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7405].end |
21753.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7405].text |
那這個食安獎勵金 |
| transcript.whisperx[7406].start |
21753.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7406].end |
21755.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7406].text |
他的性質是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7407].start |
21755.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7407].end |
21757.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7407].text |
那是不是部長也可以讓大家知道一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7408].start |
21757.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7408].end |
21759.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7408].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7409].start |
21759.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7409].end |
21761.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7409].text |
這兩年我們特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[7410].start |
21761.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7410].end |
21763.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7410].text |
也向行政院爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[7411].start |
21763.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7411].end |
21765.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7411].text |
行政院也 |
| transcript.whisperx[7412].start |
21765.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7412].end |
21767.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7412].text |
非常的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[7413].start |
21767.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7413].end |
21769.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7413].text |
讓我們有在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7414].start |
21769.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7414].end |
21771.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7414].text |
從114年到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7415].start |
21771.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7415].end |
21773.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7415].text |
115年有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7416].start |
21773.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7416].end |
21775.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7416].text |
10億的獎勵金 |
| transcript.whisperx[7417].start |
21775.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7417].end |
21777.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7417].text |
要來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7418].start |
21777.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7418].end |
21779.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7418].text |
給這個地方他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7419].start |
21779.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7419].end |
21781.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7419].text |
對於相關的食品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7420].start |
21781.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7420].end |
21783.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7420].text |
稽查也好各項的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[7421].start |
21783.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7421].end |
21785.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7421].text |
的推動計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[7422].start |
21785.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7422].end |
21787.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7422].text |
表現機優我們會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7423].start |
21787.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7423].end |
21789.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7423].text |
獎勵金的分配 |
| transcript.whisperx[7424].start |
21789.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7424].end |
21791.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7424].text |
所以其實包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[7425].start |
21791.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7425].end |
21793.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7425].text |
台中市政府也都在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7426].start |
21793.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7426].end |
21795.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7426].text |
我們獎勵的對象裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7427].start |
21795.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7427].end |
21797.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7427].text |
事實上也已經撥發了不少 |
| transcript.whisperx[7428].start |
21797.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7428].end |
21799.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7428].text |
那麼至於說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7429].start |
21799.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7429].end |
21801.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7429].text |
到目前為止我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7430].start |
21801.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7430].end |
21803.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7430].text |
已經也撥了2億4千 |
| transcript.whisperx[7431].start |
21803.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7431].end |
21805.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7431].text |
多元了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7432].start |
21805.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7432].end |
21807.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7432].text |
也都撥下去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7433].start |
21807.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7433].end |
21809.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7433].text |
那不過呢這個獎勵金 |
| transcript.whisperx[7434].start |
21809.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7434].end |
21811.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7434].text |
這個是額外的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7435].start |
21811.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7435].end |
21813.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7435].text |
等於是績效的獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[7436].start |
21813.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7436].end |
21815.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7436].text |
那麼跟地方政府應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[7437].start |
21815.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7437].end |
21817.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7437].text |
編列的相關的業務費 |
| transcript.whisperx[7438].start |
21817.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7438].end |
21819.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7438].text |
這是兩回事這個不應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[7439].start |
21819.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7439].end |
21821.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7439].text |
要把它混為一談就是該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7440].start |
21821.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7440].end |
21823.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7440].text |
執行的還是要請地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[7441].start |
21823.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7441].end |
21825.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7441].text |
首長支持編足 |
| transcript.whisperx[7442].start |
21825.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7442].end |
21827.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7442].text |
這個預算包含人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[7443].start |
21827.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7443].end |
21829.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7443].text |
或者是相當稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7444].start |
21829.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7444].end |
21831.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7444].text |
所需要的預算還是要請 |
| transcript.whisperx[7445].start |
21831.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7445].end |
21833.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7445].text |
地方政府的首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7446].start |
21833.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7446].end |
21835.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7446].text |
能夠支持在食安的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7447].start |
21835.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7447].end |
21837.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7447].text |
是所以應該是 |
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21837.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7448].end |
21839.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7448].text |
獎勵那些執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[7449].start |
21839.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7449].end |
21841.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7449].text |
非常到位 |
| transcript.whisperx[7450].start |
21841.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7450].end |
21843.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7450].text |
而且是對民眾的食安有實質 |
| transcript.whisperx[7451].start |
21843.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7451].end |
21845.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7451].text |
幫忙的就會列入這個獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[7452].start |
21845.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7452].end |
21847.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7452].text |
那就很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[7453].start |
21847.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7453].end |
21849.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7453].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7454].start |
21849.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7454].end |
21851.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7454].text |
那再過來就是有關於建置全國違反 |
| transcript.whisperx[7455].start |
21851.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7455].end |
21853.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7455].text |
食安查詢系統這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7456].start |
21853.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7456].end |
21855.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7456].text |
真的需要再加把勁 |
| transcript.whisperx[7457].start |
21855.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7457].end |
21857.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7457].text |
最近的食安事件我們看到政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[7458].start |
21857.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7458].end |
21859.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7458].text |
非常努力地在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7459].start |
21859.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7459].end |
21861.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7459].text |
啟動應變然後下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7460].start |
21861.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7460].end |
21863.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7460].text |
這些高風險的食品而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[7461].start |
21863.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7461].end |
21865.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7461].text |
給這些業者違規的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7462].start |
21865.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7462].end |
21867.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7462].text |
做很重的裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[7463].start |
21867.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7463].end |
21869.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7463].text |
可是要如何能夠重建民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[7464].start |
21869.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7464].end |
21871.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7464].text |
對於這個食安的信任 |
| transcript.whisperx[7465].start |
21871.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7465].end |
21873.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7465].text |
我認為讓消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7466].start |
21873.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7466].end |
21875.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7466].text |
能夠很容易查閱到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7467].start |
21875.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7467].end |
21877.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7467].text |
業者過去的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[7468].start |
21877.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7468].end |
21879.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7468].text |
紀錄跟他的商譽其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7469].start |
21879.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7469].end |
21881.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7469].text |
讓這個資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7470].start |
21881.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7470].end |
21883.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7470].text |
的透明度能夠落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7471].start |
21883.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7471].end |
21885.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7471].text |
應該是很關鍵的一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[7472].start |
21885.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7472].end |
21887.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7472].text |
那我們在這個事件裡面發現說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7473].start |
21887.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7473].end |
21889.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7473].text |
中央跟地方在公布食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[7474].start |
21889.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7474].end |
21891.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7474].text |
違法資訊的部分卻面臨 |
| transcript.whisperx[7475].start |
21891.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7475].end |
21893.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7475].text |
各自為政 |
| transcript.whisperx[7476].start |
21893.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7476].end |
21895.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7476].text |
一國多治的這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7477].start |
21895.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7477].end |
21897.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7477].text |
我們可以從這個畫面上看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7478].start |
21897.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7478].end |
21899.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7478].text |
以地方政府為例 |
| transcript.whisperx[7479].start |
21899.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7479].end |
21901.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7479].text |
22個縣市就有22種 |
| transcript.whisperx[7480].start |
21901.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7480].end |
21903.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7480].text |
公布的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7481].start |
21903.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7481].end |
21905.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7481].text |
有的是用食安地圖有的是用平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[7482].start |
21905.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7482].end |
21907.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7482].text |
也有一些單次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7483].start |
21907.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7483].end |
21909.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7483].text |
稽查的PDF的檔案 |
| transcript.whisperx[7484].start |
21909.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7484].end |
21911.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7484].text |
或者是用一個新聞府 |
| transcript.whisperx[7485].start |
21911.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7485].end |
21913.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7485].text |
市府的新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[7486].start |
21913.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7486].end |
21915.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7486].text |
就讓民眾去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7487].start |
21915.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7487].end |
21917.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7487].text |
自己了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[7488].start |
21917.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7488].end |
21919.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7488].text |
一般民眾如果想要看一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7489].start |
21919.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7489].end |
21921.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7489].text |
某一個產品的這些食安紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7490].start |
21921.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7490].end |
21923.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7490].text |
真的是困難重重 |
| transcript.whisperx[7491].start |
21923.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7491].end |
21925.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7491].text |
看那個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[7492].start |
21925.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7492].end |
21927.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7492].text |
另外當然食藥署自己有建立了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7493].start |
21927.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7493].end |
21929.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7493].text |
食品查核跟檢驗資訊的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[7494].start |
21929.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7494].end |
21931.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7494].text |
可是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7495].start |
21931.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7495].end |
21933.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7495].text |
廣業的入口 |
| transcript.whisperx[7496].start |
21933.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7496].end |
21935.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7496].text |
還是有點隱密不太容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[7497].start |
21935.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7497].end |
21937.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7497].text |
讓民眾很容易就可以找得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7498].start |
21937.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7498].end |
21939.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7498].text |
更核心的問題就是說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7499].start |
21939.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7499].end |
21941.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7499].text |
平台目前僅看在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7500].start |
21941.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7500].end |
21943.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7500].text |
食藥署本身的專案稽查的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[7501].start |
21943.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7501].end |
21945.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7501].text |
完全沒有去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7502].start |
21945.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7502].end |
21947.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7502].text |
整合地方政府自己在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7503].start |
21947.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7503].end |
21949.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7503].text |
執行上的稽查資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[7504].start |
21949.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7504].end |
21951.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7504].text |
意思就是說地方政府他可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[7505].start |
21951.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7505].end |
21953.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7505].text |
會有一些稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7506].start |
21953.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7506].end |
21955.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7506].text |
的項目不是在中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[7507].start |
21955.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7507].end |
21957.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7507].text |
政府這邊處理到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7508].start |
21957.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7508].end |
21959.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7508].text |
他就會自己去公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[7509].start |
21959.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7509].end |
21961.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7509].text |
結果沒有彙整到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7510].start |
21961.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7510].end |
21963.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7510].text |
中央政府到食藥署這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7511].start |
21963.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7511].end |
21965.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7511].text |
網頁來相對來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7512].start |
21965.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7512].end |
21967.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7512].text |
這是很不合理的現象 |
| transcript.whisperx[7513].start |
21967.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7513].end |
21969.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7513].text |
因為相會者想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7514].start |
21970.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7514].end |
21972.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7514].text |
比如說啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7515].start |
21972.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7515].end |
21974.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7515].text |
苦茶油也是一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7516].start |
21974.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7516].end |
21976.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7516].text |
苦茶油全各個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[7517].start |
21976.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7517].end |
21978.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7517].text |
都有一些苦茶油在販售 |
| transcript.whisperx[7518].start |
21978.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7518].end |
21980.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7518].text |
那如果想要去看一下品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[7519].start |
21980.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7519].end |
21982.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7519].text |
有沒有違規紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7520].start |
21983.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7520].end |
21985.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7520].text |
可能就要上這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7521].start |
21985.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7521].end |
21987.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7521].text |
每一個縣市22個地方的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7522].start |
21987.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7522].end |
21989.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7522].text |
政府網站再加上食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[7523].start |
21989.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7523].end |
21991.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7523].text |
的網站一共有23個網站 |
| transcript.whisperx[7524].start |
21991.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7524].end |
21993.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7524].text |
去慢慢比對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7525].start |
21993.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7525].end |
21995.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7525].text |
台灣是科技大國 |
| transcript.whisperx[7526].start |
21995.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7526].end |
21997.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7526].text |
這種情形實在是很難接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[7527].start |
21997.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7527].end |
21999.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7527].text |
所以這一方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7528].start |
21999.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7528].end |
22001.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7528].text |
如果我們來參考勞動部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7529].start |
22001.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7529].end |
22003.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7529].text |
經驗勞動部其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7530].start |
22003.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7530].end |
22005.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7530].text |
他們有建置一個全國 |
| transcript.whisperx[7531].start |
22005.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7531].end |
22007.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7531].text |
的查詢平台叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[7532].start |
22007.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7532].end |
22009.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7532].text |
違反勞動法令查詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7533].start |
22009.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7533].end |
22011.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7533].text |
的系統這個很簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[7534].start |
22011.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7534].end |
22013.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7534].text |
只要民眾在單一個網站上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7535].start |
22013.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7535].end |
22015.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7535].text |
按一個鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[7536].start |
22015.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7536].end |
22017.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7536].text |
就能夠去看到全國 |
| transcript.whisperx[7537].start |
22017.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7537].end |
22019.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7537].text |
所有的違規的紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7538].start |
22019.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7538].end |
22021.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7538].text |
而且這個資料沒有連線 |
| transcript.whisperx[7539].start |
22021.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7539].end |
22023.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7539].text |
也不會下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7540].start |
22023.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7540].end |
22025.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7540].text |
所以這樣真的是能夠保障民眾的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7541].start |
22025.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7541].end |
22027.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7541].text |
知情權 |
| transcript.whisperx[7542].start |
22027.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7542].end |
22029.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7542].text |
所以部長有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[7543].start |
22029.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7543].end |
22031.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7543].text |
我們在一個月裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7544].start |
22031.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7544].end |
22033.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7544].text |
麻煩衛福能夠全面的盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7545].start |
22033.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7545].end |
22035.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7545].text |
各級政府目前公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[7546].start |
22035.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7546].end |
22037.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7546].text |
食安違規資訊的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7547].start |
22037.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7547].end |
22039.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7547].text |
然後參考這個勞動部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7548].start |
22039.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7548].end |
22041.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7548].text |
建置經驗先把這個資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7549].start |
22041.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7549].end |
22043.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7549].text |
先整合好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7550].start |
22043.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7550].end |
22045.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7550].text |
那上個月裡面針對建置單一 |
| transcript.whisperx[7551].start |
22045.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7551].end |
22047.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7551].text |
入口的全國違反食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[7552].start |
22047.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7552].end |
22049.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7552].text |
查詢系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[7553].start |
22049.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7553].end |
22051.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7553].text |
邀請各地方政府來開會延商 |
| transcript.whisperx[7554].start |
22051.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7554].end |
22053.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7554].text |
提供改善食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[7555].start |
22053.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7555].end |
22055.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7555].text |
查詢平台的這個具體的期程 |
| transcript.whisperx[7556].start |
22055.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7556].end |
22057.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7556].text |
把它規劃出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7557].start |
22057.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7557].end |
22059.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7557].text |
部長 好 我想這個委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7558].start |
22059.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7558].end |
22061.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7558].text |
這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[7559].start |
22061.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7559].end |
22063.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7559].text |
我們覺得很好啦因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7560].start |
22063.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7560].end |
22065.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7560].text |
這個食品經常它會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7561].start |
22065.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7561].end |
22067.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7561].text |
這個全國的流通性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7562].start |
22067.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7562].end |
22069.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7562].text |
所以雖然是在這一個縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[7563].start |
22069.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7563].end |
22071.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7563].text |
去查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[7564].start |
22071.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7564].end |
22073.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7564].text |
但是它的食品可能是流通到其他的縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[7565].start |
22073.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7565].end |
22075.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7565].text |
所以我們三個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[7566].start |
22075.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7566].end |
22077.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7566].text |
我們找這個地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[7567].start |
22077.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7567].end |
22079.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7567].text |
大家來開會按照委員的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7568].start |
22079.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7568].end |
22081.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7568].text |
一個是它的公布方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7569].start |
22081.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7569].end |
22083.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7569].text |
大家盡量讓它一致性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7570].start |
22083.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7570].end |
22085.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7570].text |
那第二個我們來看看能不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[7571].start |
22085.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7571].end |
22087.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7571].text |
以這個廠商做基礎的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7572].start |
22087.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7572].end |
22089.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7572].text |
來把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[7573].start |
22089.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7573].end |
22091.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7573].text |
彙整成一個單一的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7574].start |
22091.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7574].end |
22093.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7574].text |
一個違規 |
| transcript.whisperx[7575].start |
22093.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7575].end |
22095.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7575].text |
查詢的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[7576].start |
22095.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7576].end |
22097.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7576].text |
所以我們可能不一定可以馬上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7577].start |
22097.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7577].end |
22099.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7577].text |
三個月內做完但是規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[7578].start |
22099.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7578].end |
22101.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7578].text |
具體的期程規劃我們把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[7579].start |
22101.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7579].end |
22103.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7579].text |
做出來再請委員來指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7580].start |
22103.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7580].end |
22105.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7580].text |
對 這務必要請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7581].start |
22105.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7581].end |
22107.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7581].text |
趕快啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[7582].start |
22107.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7582].end |
22109.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7582].text |
最後一個問題就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7583].start |
22109.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7583].end |
22111.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7583].text |
我們要希望還是把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7584].start |
22111.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7584].end |
22113.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7584].text |
食材原料能夠做透明的標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[7585].start |
22113.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7585].end |
22115.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7585].text |
尤其這會牽扯到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7586].start |
22115.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7586].end |
22117.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7586].text |
這個本土的小農 |
| transcript.whisperx[7587].start |
22117.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7587].end |
22119.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7587].text |
如何能夠讓他們的這個農作物 |
| transcript.whisperx[7588].start |
22119.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7588].end |
22121.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7588].text |
產品可以穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7589].start |
22121.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7589].end |
22123.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7589].text |
來做處理以外能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7590].start |
22123.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7590].end |
22125.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7590].text |
強化農作產品的韌性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7591].start |
22125.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7591].end |
22127.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7591].text |
之前其實也跟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7592].start |
22127.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7592].end |
22129.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7592].text |
詢問過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7593].start |
22129.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7593].end |
22131.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7593].text |
市面上看到的那些番茄汁 |
| transcript.whisperx[7594].start |
22131.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7594].end |
22133.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7594].text |
我們都以為是台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7595].start |
22133.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7595].end |
22135.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7595].text |
自己本土做出來的番茄汁 |
| transcript.whisperx[7596].start |
22135.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7596].end |
22137.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7596].text |
種出來的番茄汁 |
| transcript.whisperx[7597].start |
22137.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7597].end |
22139.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7597].text |
可是我們看到的是合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7598].start |
22140 |
| transcript.whisperx[7598].end |
22142 |
| transcript.whisperx[7598].text |
的標示產地是台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7599].start |
22142 |
| transcript.whisperx[7599].end |
22144 |
| transcript.whisperx[7599].text |
結果台北人很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[7600].start |
22144 |
| transcript.whisperx[7600].end |
22146 |
| transcript.whisperx[7600].text |
都不是台灣自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[7601].start |
22146 |
| transcript.whisperx[7601].end |
22148 |
| transcript.whisperx[7601].text |
種的番茄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7602].start |
22148 |
| transcript.whisperx[7602].end |
22150 |
| transcript.whisperx[7602].text |
所以我那時候就主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[7603].start |
22150 |
| transcript.whisperx[7603].end |
22152 |
| transcript.whisperx[7603].text |
修法的時候要加強這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7604].start |
22152 |
| transcript.whisperx[7604].end |
22154 |
| transcript.whisperx[7604].text |
把業者的明確標示原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[7605].start |
22154 |
| transcript.whisperx[7605].end |
22156 |
| transcript.whisperx[7605].text |
原產地這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7606].start |
22156 |
| transcript.whisperx[7606].end |
22158 |
| transcript.whisperx[7606].text |
也需要來加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[7607].start |
22158 |
| transcript.whisperx[7607].end |
22160 |
| transcript.whisperx[7607].text |
把它修入到法案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7608].start |
22160 |
| transcript.whisperx[7608].end |
22162 |
| transcript.whisperx[7608].text |
所以食安法的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7609].start |
22162 |
| transcript.whisperx[7609].end |
22164 |
| transcript.whisperx[7609].text |
我今天如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[7610].start |
22164 |
| transcript.whisperx[7610].end |
22166 |
| transcript.whisperx[7610].text |
開始啟動這個修法的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7611].start |
22166 |
| transcript.whisperx[7611].end |
22168 |
| transcript.whisperx[7611].text |
我們會把這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7612].start |
22168 |
| transcript.whisperx[7612].end |
22170 |
| transcript.whisperx[7612].text |
修法能夠跟大家一起來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7613].start |
22170 |
| transcript.whisperx[7613].end |
22172 |
| transcript.whisperx[7613].text |
而我們另外再看一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7614].start |
22172 |
| transcript.whisperx[7614].end |
22174 |
| transcript.whisperx[7614].text |
一則消息這真的是我國 |
| transcript.whisperx[7615].start |
22174 |
| transcript.whisperx[7615].end |
22176 |
| transcript.whisperx[7615].text |
農業一個重大的警訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7616].start |
22176 |
| transcript.whisperx[7616].end |
22178 |
| transcript.whisperx[7616].text |
你看本土紅豆的產量 |
| transcript.whisperx[7617].start |
22178 |
| transcript.whisperx[7617].end |
22180 |
| transcript.whisperx[7617].text |
從2022年以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7618].start |
22180 |
| transcript.whisperx[7618].end |
22182 |
| transcript.whisperx[7618].text |
就跌破萬噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7619].start |
22182 |
| transcript.whisperx[7619].end |
22184 |
| transcript.whisperx[7619].text |
到2025年只剩下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7620].start |
22184 |
| transcript.whisperx[7620].end |
22186 |
| transcript.whisperx[7620].text |
5461噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7621].start |
22188 |
| transcript.whisperx[7621].end |
22190 |
| transcript.whisperx[7621].text |
5461公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7622].start |
22190 |
| transcript.whisperx[7622].end |
22192 |
| transcript.whisperx[7622].text |
這產量在很短的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7623].start |
22192 |
| transcript.whisperx[7623].end |
22194 |
| transcript.whisperx[7623].text |
裡面就直接腰斬 |
| transcript.whisperx[7624].start |
22194 |
| transcript.whisperx[7624].end |
22196 |
| transcript.whisperx[7624].text |
那我們看這個進口紅豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7625].start |
22196 |
| transcript.whisperx[7625].end |
22198 |
| transcript.whisperx[7625].text |
卻是大幅的成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7626].start |
22198 |
| transcript.whisperx[7626].end |
22200 |
| transcript.whisperx[7626].text |
到2025年已經有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7627].start |
22200 |
| transcript.whisperx[7627].end |
22202 |
| transcript.whisperx[7627].text |
達到6641公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7628].start |
22204 |
| transcript.whisperx[7628].end |
22206 |
| transcript.whisperx[7628].text |
從外國進口國外進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[7629].start |
22206 |
| transcript.whisperx[7629].end |
22208 |
| transcript.whisperx[7629].text |
的這個量 |
| transcript.whisperx[7630].start |
22208 |
| transcript.whisperx[7630].end |
22210 |
| transcript.whisperx[7630].text |
比我們自己本土產的量還要多 |
| transcript.whisperx[7631].start |
22210 |
| transcript.whisperx[7631].end |
22212 |
| transcript.whisperx[7631].text |
這個表示說我們本土的紅豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7632].start |
22212 |
| transcript.whisperx[7632].end |
22214 |
| transcript.whisperx[7632].text |
正在失去我們市場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7633].start |
22214 |
| transcript.whisperx[7633].end |
22216 |
| transcript.whisperx[7633].text |
主導權 |
| transcript.whisperx[7634].start |
22216 |
| transcript.whisperx[7634].end |
22218 |
| transcript.whisperx[7634].text |
你在市面上幾乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7635].start |
22218 |
| transcript.whisperx[7635].end |
22220 |
| transcript.whisperx[7635].text |
沒有辦法找到進口紅豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7636].start |
22220 |
| transcript.whisperx[7636].end |
22222 |
| transcript.whisperx[7636].text |
的這些下落 |
| transcript.whisperx[7637].start |
22222 |
| transcript.whisperx[7637].end |
22224 |
| transcript.whisperx[7637].text |
當然最根究底這就是現行法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[7638].start |
22224 |
| transcript.whisperx[7638].end |
22226 |
| transcript.whisperx[7638].text |
一個破洞造成的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7639].start |
22226 |
| transcript.whisperx[7639].end |
22228 |
| transcript.whisperx[7639].text |
這些紅豆到底是從哪裡進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7640].start |
22228 |
| transcript.whisperx[7640].end |
22230 |
| transcript.whisperx[7640].text |
有可能從加拿大 |
| transcript.whisperx[7641].start |
22230 |
| transcript.whisperx[7641].end |
22232 |
| transcript.whisperx[7641].text |
澳洲或阿根廷進口的這些紅豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7642].start |
22232 |
| transcript.whisperx[7642].end |
22234 |
| transcript.whisperx[7642].text |
可是經過實質轉型 |
| transcript.whisperx[7643].start |
22234 |
| transcript.whisperx[7643].end |
22236 |
| transcript.whisperx[7643].text |
加工以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7644].start |
22236 |
| transcript.whisperx[7644].end |
22238 |
| transcript.whisperx[7644].text |
通通都變成是合法標示的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7645].start |
22238 |
| transcript.whisperx[7645].end |
22240 |
| transcript.whisperx[7645].text |
原產地叫做台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7646].start |
22240 |
| transcript.whisperx[7646].end |
22242 |
| transcript.whisperx[7646].text |
這種情形其實就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7647].start |
22242 |
| transcript.whisperx[7647].end |
22244 |
| transcript.whisperx[7647].text |
讓消費者誤以為自己買的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7648].start |
22244 |
| transcript.whisperx[7648].end |
22246 |
| transcript.whisperx[7648].text |
就是我們自己國產的紅豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7649].start |
22246 |
| transcript.whisperx[7649].end |
22248 |
| transcript.whisperx[7649].text |
當然有信心而且會認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[7650].start |
22248 |
| transcript.whisperx[7650].end |
22250 |
| transcript.whisperx[7650].text |
這個品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[7651].start |
22250 |
| transcript.whisperx[7651].end |
22252 |
| transcript.whisperx[7651].text |
是不是會有更好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7652].start |
22252 |
| transcript.whisperx[7652].end |
22254 |
| transcript.whisperx[7652].text |
這個可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7653].start |
22254 |
| transcript.whisperx[7653].end |
22256 |
| transcript.whisperx[7653].text |
可是如果是這樣的話目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[7654].start |
22256 |
| transcript.whisperx[7654].end |
22258 |
| transcript.whisperx[7654].text |
我們沒有透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7655].start |
22258 |
| transcript.whisperx[7655].end |
22260 |
| transcript.whisperx[7655].text |
好的這些標示的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[7656].start |
22260 |
| transcript.whisperx[7656].end |
22262 |
| transcript.whisperx[7656].text |
結果是支持到進口紅豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7657].start |
22262 |
| transcript.whisperx[7657].end |
22264 |
| transcript.whisperx[7657].text |
讓這些本土的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7658].start |
22264 |
| transcript.whisperx[7658].end |
22266 |
| transcript.whisperx[7658].text |
高品質相對成本也比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[7659].start |
22266 |
| transcript.whisperx[7659].end |
22268 |
| transcript.whisperx[7659].text |
高的這個本土的國產紅豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7660].start |
22268 |
| transcript.whisperx[7660].end |
22270 |
| transcript.whisperx[7660].text |
越來越難以競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[7661].start |
22270 |
| transcript.whisperx[7661].end |
22272 |
| transcript.whisperx[7661].text |
失去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7662].start |
22271.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7662].end |
22273.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7662].text |
台灣的這個農作產品的韌性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7663].start |
22273.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7663].end |
22275.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7663].text |
這個非常值得我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7664].start |
22275.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7664].end |
22277.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7664].text |
去了解跟擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7665].start |
22277.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7665].end |
22279.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7665].text |
我想要強調的是說市場競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[7666].start |
22279.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7666].end |
22281.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7666].text |
不是壞事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7667].start |
22281.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7667].end |
22283.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7667].text |
可是如果食藥署的法規允許資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7668].start |
22283.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7668].end |
22285.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7668].text |
不透明的話等於是在放任 |
| transcript.whisperx[7669].start |
22285.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7669].end |
22287.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7669].text |
部分的業者誤導民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[7670].start |
22287.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7670].end |
22289.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7670].text |
甚至會打擊到這個本土的小農 |
| transcript.whisperx[7671].start |
22289.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7671].end |
22291.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7671].text |
所以希望這次的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7672].start |
22291.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7672].end |
22293.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7672].text |
能夠徹底的來解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[7673].start |
22293.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7673].end |
22295.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7673].text |
這種標示的亂象 |
| transcript.whisperx[7674].start |
22295.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7674].end |
22297.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7674].text |
我們會有一些修法本本 |
| transcript.whisperx[7675].start |
22297.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7675].end |
22299.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7675].text |
到時候要麻煩部長一起來支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[7676].start |
22299.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7676].end |
22301.25 |
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好 那部長你的態度怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7677].start |
22301.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7677].end |
22303.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7677].text |
我想這個我們越來越多 |
| transcript.whisperx[7678].start |
22303.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7678].end |
22305.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7678].text |
我們民眾喜歡選用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7679].start |
22305.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7679].end |
22309.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7679].text |
台灣本地原料製造的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7680].start |
22309.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7680].end |
22311.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7680].text |
所以這個我們可以感受得到 |
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22311.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7681].end |
22313.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7681].text |
但是因為台灣是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7682].start |
22313.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7682].end |
22315.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7682].text |
一個物資不是那麼豐沛的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[7683].start |
22315.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7683].end |
22317.25 |
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所以我們也有很多需要仰賴進口 |
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22317.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7684].end |
22319.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7684].text |
因此在食品標示上 |
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22319.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7685].end |
22321.25 |
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我們還是必須跟世界去接軌 |
| transcript.whisperx[7686].start |
22321.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7686].end |
22323.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7686].text |
但是對於如何凸顯 |
| transcript.whisperx[7687].start |
22323.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7687].end |
22325.25 |
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台灣的真正採用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7688].start |
22325.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7688].end |
22327.25 |
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在地原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[7689].start |
22327.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7689].end |
22329.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7689].text |
真正採用在地原料 |
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22329.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7690].end |
22331.25 |
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的這些業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7691].start |
22331.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7691].end |
22333.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7691].text |
讓它能夠凸顯出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7692].start |
22333.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7692].end |
22335.25 |
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我舉一個例子我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7693].start |
22335.25 |
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從今年7月1號開始 |
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22337.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7694].end |
22341.25 |
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就只有用台灣的牛的奶 |
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22341.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7695].end |
22343.25 |
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做的才可以稱為鮮乳 |
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22343.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7696].end |
22345.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7696].text |
其他都不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[7697].start |
22345.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7697].end |
22347.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7697].text |
所以這個就是一個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[7698].start |
22347.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7698].end |
22349.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7698].text |
我們沒有去打破 |
| transcript.whisperx[7699].start |
22349.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7699].end |
22351.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7699].text |
標示什麼原產不原產地 |
| transcript.whisperx[7700].start |
22351.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7700].end |
22353.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7700].text |
但是我們去要求 |
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22353.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7701].end |
22355.25 |
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只有是本地牛的牛奶 |
| transcript.whisperx[7702].start |
22355.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7702].end |
22357.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7702].text |
做的才可以稱為鮮乳 |
| transcript.whisperx[7703].start |
22357.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7703].end |
22359.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7703].text |
不然其他的就不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[7704].start |
22359.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7704].end |
22361.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7704].text |
就只能稱為牛乳 |
| transcript.whisperx[7705].start |
22361.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7705].end |
22363.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7705].text |
或其他的調和乳等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[7706].start |
22363.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7706].end |
22365.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7706].text |
像類似這樣的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7707].start |
22365.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7707].end |
22367.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7707].text |
我覺得我們可以來研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7708].start |
22367.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7708].end |
22369.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7708].text |
就是去凸顯台灣真正採用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7709].start |
22369.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7709].end |
22371.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7709].text |
在地的農產品製造的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7710].start |
22371.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7710].end |
22373.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7710].text |
這些食品 |
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22373.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7711].end |
22375.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7711].text |
才能夠去標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[7712].start |
22375.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7712].end |
22379.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7712].text |
這個是某一種標章的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7713].start |
22379.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7713].end |
22381.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7713].text |
來凸顯它的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7714].start |
22381.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7714].end |
22385.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7714].text |
的確各國不同的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7715].start |
22385.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7715].end |
22387.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7715].text |
所以如果我們台灣 |
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22387.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7716].end |
22389.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7716].text |
可以參考各國的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7717].start |
22389.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7717].end |
22391.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7717].text |
韓國還有日本都是採用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7718].start |
22391.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7718].end |
22393.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7718].text |
像這樣的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7719].start |
22393.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7719].end |
22395.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7719].text |
要求說你只有在地製造的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7720].start |
22395.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7720].end |
22397.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7720].text |
才能夠標示為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7721].start |
22397.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7721].end |
22399.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7721].text |
我們某一種標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[7722].start |
22399.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7722].end |
22401.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7722].text |
所以我們需要在這個法令上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7723].start |
22401.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7723].end |
22403.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7723].text |
能夠把它標示完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[7724].start |
22403.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7724].end |
22405.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7724].text |
來做好的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7725].start |
22405.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7725].end |
22407.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7725].text |
那就謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7726].start |
22407.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7726].end |
22409.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7726].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[7727].start |
22409.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[7727].end |
22411.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[7727].text |
謝謝網政區委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7728].start |
22412.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[7728].end |
22414.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[7728].text |
接著請羅志強委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7729].start |
22416.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7729].end |
22418.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7729].text |
羅志強委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7730].start |
22418.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7730].end |
22420.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7730].text |
羅志強委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7731].start |
22420.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7731].end |
22422.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7731].text |
接著我們請陳昭之委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7732].start |
22429 |
| transcript.whisperx[7732].end |
22431 |
| transcript.whisperx[7732].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[7733].start |
22431 |
| transcript.whisperx[7733].end |
22433 |
| transcript.whisperx[7733].text |
有請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7734].start |
22431.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[7734].end |
22433.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[7734].text |
請時務部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7735].start |
22435.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7735].end |
22437.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7735].text |
陳委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7736].start |
22465.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7736].end |
22467.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7736].text |
請陳昭之委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7737].start |
22495.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7737].end |
22497.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7737].text |
謝謝班 |
| transcript.whisperx[7738].start |
22497.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7738].end |
22499.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7738].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7739].start |
22499.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7739].end |
22501.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7739].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7740].start |
22501.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7740].end |
22503.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7740].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7741].start |
22503.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7741].end |
22505.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7741].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7742].start |
22505.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7742].end |
22507.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7742].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7743].start |
22507.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7743].end |
22509.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7743].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7744].start |
22509.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7744].end |
22511.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7744].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7745].start |
22511.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7745].end |
22513.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7745].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7746].start |
22513.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7746].end |
22515.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7746].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7747].start |
22515.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7747].end |
22517.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7747].text |
請教 |
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22517.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7748].end |
22519.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7748].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7749].start |
22519.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7749].end |
22521.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7749].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7750].start |
22521.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7750].end |
22523.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7750].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7751].start |
22523.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7751].end |
22525.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7751].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7752].start |
22504.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7752].end |
22506.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7752].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7753].start |
22506.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7753].end |
22508.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7753].text |
請教 |
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22508.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7754].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7754].text |
請教 |
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22510.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7755].end |
22512.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7755].text |
請教 |
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22512.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7756].end |
22514.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7756].text |
請教 |
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22514.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7757].end |
22516.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7757].text |
請教 |
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22516.99 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7758].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7759].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7759].text |
請教 |
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22520.99 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7760].text |
請教 |
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22522.99 |
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22524.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7761].text |
請教 |
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22524.99 |
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22526.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7762].text |
請教 |
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22526.99 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7763].text |
請教 |
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22528.99 |
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22530.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7764].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7765].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7766].text |
請教 |
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22534.99 |
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22536.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7767].text |
請教 |
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22536.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7768].end |
22538.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7768].text |
請教 |
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22538.99 |
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22540.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7769].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7770].text |
請教 |
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請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7772].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7773].text |
請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7776].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7777].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7778].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7778].text |
請教 |
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22558.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7779].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7779].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7780].start |
22538.94 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7780].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7781].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7782].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7783].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7784].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7784].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7785].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7785].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7786].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7786].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7787].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7787].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7788].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7788].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7789].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7789].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7790].start |
22558.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7790].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7790].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7791].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7791].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7791].text |
請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7792].end |
22564.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7792].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7793].start |
22564.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7793].end |
22566.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7793].text |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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22760.55 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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22766.55 |
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請教 |
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22768.55 |
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請教 |
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22770.55 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7943].start |
22790.55 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7948].start |
22783.68 |
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請教 |
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請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7950].start |
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22789.68 |
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請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7951].start |
22789.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7951].end |
22791.68 |
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請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7952].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7952].end |
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請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7953].start |
22793.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7953].end |
22795.68 |
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請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7954].start |
22795.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7954].end |
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請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7955].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7955].end |
22799.68 |
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請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7956].start |
22799.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7956].end |
22801.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7956].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7957].start |
22801.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7957].end |
22803.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7957].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7958].start |
22803.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7958].end |
22805.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7958].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7959].start |
22805.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7959].end |
22807.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7959].text |
請aching |
| transcript.whisperx[7960].start |
22807.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7960].end |
22809.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7960].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7961].start |
22809.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7961].end |
22811.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7961].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[7962].start |
22811.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7962].end |
22813.68 |
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你知道他是這樣子來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[7963].start |
22813.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7963].end |
22815.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7963].text |
所以後來我們發現他是一級的致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[7964].start |
22815.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7964].end |
22817.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7964].text |
就是動物跟人體都會引起致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[7965].start |
22817.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7965].end |
22819.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7965].text |
所以這個超飄的這個油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7966].start |
22819.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7966].end |
22821.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7966].text |
如果放在寵物飼料裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7967].start |
22821.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7967].end |
22823.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7967].text |
這些貓狗跟動物也是吃下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7968].start |
22823.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7968].end |
22825.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7968].text |
同樣吃下這個一級致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[7969].start |
22825.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7969].end |
22827.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7969].text |
那請問衛福部的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[7970].start |
22827.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7970].end |
22828.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7970].text |
我在請教你邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[7971].start |
22828.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7971].end |
22829.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7971].text |
只要沒有變成人吃的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[7972].start |
22829.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7972].end |
22831.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7972].text |
就算就跟衛福部無關嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7973].start |
22831.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7973].end |
22834.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7973].text |
如果他出貨也給飼料廠使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7974].start |
22834.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7974].end |
22836.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7974].text |
這個是人皆知道的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7975].start |
22836.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7975].end |
22838.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7975].text |
他事實上也繼續賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7976].start |
22838.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7976].end |
22839.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7976].text |
我們今天都還不敢去談 |
| transcript.whisperx[7977].start |
22839.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7977].end |
22841.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7977].text |
這個怕事情鬧得更大 |
| transcript.whisperx[7978].start |
22841.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7978].end |
22843.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7978].text |
不是只有人還有這個醜聞問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7979].start |
22843.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7979].end |
22846.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7979].text |
那我要講的是說台糖拒收油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7980].start |
22846.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7980].end |
22848.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7980].text |
所以沒有強制通報責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[7981].start |
22848.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7981].end |
22849.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7981].text |
那剛剛我也提到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7982].start |
22849.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7982].end |
22850.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7982].text |
國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[7983].start |
22850.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7983].end |
22852.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7983].text |
你知道我們人不是只有產法律嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7984].start |
22852.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7984].end |
22854.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7984].text |
剛才所以我在期許部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7985].start |
22854.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7985].end |
22856.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7985].text |
我們不是在說我們有違法沒違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7986].start |
22856.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7986].end |
22858.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7986].text |
我們有基本的良知跟道義 |
| transcript.whisperx[7987].start |
22858.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7987].end |
22861.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7987].text |
大家現在生氣說台糖你知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7988].start |
22861.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7988].end |
22863.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7988].text |
你明明知道有超飆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7989].start |
22863.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7989].end |
22864.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7989].text |
而且超飆嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[7990].start |
22864.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7990].end |
22866.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7990].text |
七倍七倍多 |
| transcript.whisperx[7991].start |
22866.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7991].end |
22868.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7991].text |
但我沒拿來用就沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[7992].start |
22868.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7992].end |
22871.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7992].text |
那後續怎麼處理也沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[7993].start |
22871.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7993].end |
22874.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7993].text |
就算出貨給飼料廠也沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[7994].start |
22874.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7994].end |
22876.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7994].text |
部長我要跟你講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7995].start |
22876.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7995].end |
22878.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7995].text |
黃豆製油這個過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[7996].start |
22878.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7996].end |
22880.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7996].text |
他大概炸出兩層油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7997].start |
22880.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7997].end |
22884.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7997].text |
還有剝蝦是做所謂的豆腐 |
| transcript.whisperx[7998].start |
22884.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7998].end |
22886.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7998].text |
這個豆腐是給誰吃呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7999].start |
22886.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7999].end |
22888.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7999].text |
給雞給豬吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[8000].start |
22889.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8000].end |
22891.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8000].text |
所以當黃豆原料出了問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8001].start |
22891.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8001].end |
22894.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8001].text |
不僅僅是油本身可能超飆自來物 |
| transcript.whisperx[8002].start |
22894.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8002].end |
22898.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8002].text |
現在還有我們雞豬吃了也超飆 |
| transcript.whisperx[8003].start |
22898.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8003].end |
22902.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8003].text |
那就是等於已經動到我們食物鏈的上層去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8004].start |
22902.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8004].end |
22904.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8004].text |
也許那是農業不管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8005].start |
22904.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8005].end |
22905.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8005].text |
但上次整個影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[8006].start |
22905.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8006].end |
22907.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8006].text |
我想部長你不會不了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[8007].start |
22907.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8007].end |
22908.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8007].text |
所以事實上說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8008].start |
22908.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8008].end |
22911.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8008].text |
如果說你們現在要護航台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[8009].start |
22912.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8009].end |
22913.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8009].text |
民視嚴重差標 |
| transcript.whisperx[8010].start |
22913.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8010].end |
22914.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8010].text |
但是沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8011].start |
22914.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8011].end |
22915.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8011].text |
他影響的層面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8012].start |
22915.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8012].end |
22917.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8012].text |
我今天告訴你所有的事物 |
| transcript.whisperx[8013].start |
22917.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8013].end |
22919.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8013].text |
還有我們常吃的食物 |
| transcript.whisperx[8014].start |
22919.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8014].end |
22922.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8014].text |
家禽家畜全部也都會吃到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8015].start |
22922.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8015].end |
22924.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8015].text |
所以我覺得如果有這個態度是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8016].start |
22924.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8016].end |
22926.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8016].text |
很難原諒幾乎是不可原諒 |
| transcript.whisperx[8017].start |
22926.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8017].end |
22928.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8017].text |
部長就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8018].start |
22928.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8018].end |
22929.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8018].text |
我第一次質詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8019].start |
22929.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8019].end |
22931.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8019].text |
你是先推給南橋 |
| transcript.whisperx[8020].start |
22931.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8020].end |
22933.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8020].text |
那後來我一直提醒你是中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[8021].start |
22933.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8021].end |
22934.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8021].text |
同樣一批樣油 |
| transcript.whisperx[8022].start |
22934.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8022].end |
22936.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8022].text |
這個油樣他剪出三種數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[8023].start |
22936.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8023].end |
22938.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8023].text |
後來果然中聯就出事了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8024].start |
22938.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8024].end |
22939.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8024].text |
現在再回到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8025].start |
22939.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8025].end |
22940.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8025].text |
我們再回到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8026].start |
22940.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8026].end |
22941.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8026].text |
我們再回到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8027].start |
22941.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8027].end |
22942.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8027].text |
最早知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8028].start |
22942.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8028].end |
22945.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[8028].text |
最嚴重的數字是最嚴重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8029].start |
22947.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8029].end |
22948.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8029].text |
你們記得幫我們護航 |
| transcript.whisperx[8030].start |
22948.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8030].end |
22951.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8030].text |
部長其實是這幾道問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8031].start |
22952.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8031].end |
22954.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8031].text |
您的邏輯跟你的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8032].start |
22954.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8032].end |
22955.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8032].text |
態度出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8033].start |
22955.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8033].end |
22957.22 |
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我很高興委員 |
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22957.22 |
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22959.22 |
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我們回到科學的討論 |
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22959.22 |
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22962.22 |
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這個本篇筆本身大家都知道 |
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22962.22 |
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22963.22 |
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它是一級致癌物 |
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22963.22 |
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22965.22 |
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那麼它的致癌的風險 |
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22965.22 |
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22967.22 |
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來自於長期的累積 |
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22967.22 |
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22970.22 |
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所以跟你的食用的習慣 |
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22970.22 |
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22972.22 |
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跟累積有關係 |
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22972.22 |
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22973.22 |
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它這是一個長期的 |
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22973.22 |
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22974.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8042].text |
長期的累積 |
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22974.22 |
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22976.22 |
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這是第一個 |
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22976.22 |
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22978.22 |
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那第二個現在全世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[8045].start |
22978.22 |
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22981.22 |
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定有本篇筆標準的國家 |
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22981.22 |
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22983.22 |
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不是全部 |
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22983.22 |
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22984.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8047].text |
長期的累積 |
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22984.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8048].end |
22985.22 |
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你一次食物可以 |
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22985.22 |
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22986.22 |
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你那個添加物 |
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22986.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8050].end |
22987.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8050].text |
這個蘇丹紅可以 |
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22987.22 |
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22989.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8051].text |
這個油不要吃多久 |
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22989.22 |
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22990.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8052].text |
而且是全面的 |
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22990.22 |
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22992.22 |
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所以這個都有科學模式 |
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22992.22 |
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22993.22 |
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可以計算 |
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22993.22 |
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22994.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8055].text |
吳正講說你們逼我們吃油 |
| transcript.whisperx[8056].start |
22994.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8056].end |
22995.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8056].text |
有 你有逼我們吃油 |
| transcript.whisperx[8057].start |
22995.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8057].end |
22997.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8057].text |
沒有吃油是會死的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8058].start |
22997.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8058].end |
22999.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8058].text |
油是人體比的比數 |
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22999.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8059].end |
23000.22 |
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所以回到我們科學的討論 |
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23000.22 |
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23001.22 |
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油蛋白質常內 |
| transcript.whisperx[8061].start |
23001.22 |
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23002.22 |
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這個本篇筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[8062].start |
23002.22 |
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23005.22 |
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不是每個國家都定有標準 |
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23005.22 |
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23006.22 |
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有的國家是沒有標準 |
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23006.22 |
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23007.22 |
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因為就要很小心 |
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23007.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8065].end |
23009.22 |
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像日本像美國 |
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23009.22 |
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23011.22 |
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美國都沒有定標準的 |
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23011.22 |
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23013.22 |
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我們定了跟歐盟一樣 |
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23013.22 |
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23015.22 |
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全世界最嚴格的標準 |
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23015.22 |
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23016.22 |
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這是第一個 |
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23016.22 |
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23017.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8070].text |
第二個在飼料中 |
| transcript.whisperx[8071].start |
23017.22 |
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23018.22 |
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有沒有這個標準 |
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23018.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8072].end |
23020.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8072].text |
到目前我們還查不到 |
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23020.22 |
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23021.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8073].text |
是在飼料裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8074].start |
23021.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8074].end |
23022.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8074].text |
去定這個標準 |
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23022.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8075].end |
23024.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8075].text |
所以我們了解 |
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23024.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8076].end |
23026.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8076].text |
它是一個一級的致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[8077].start |
23026.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8077].end |
23028.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8077].text |
是說它的證據明顯 |
| transcript.whisperx[8078].start |
23028.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8078].end |
23030.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8078].text |
會有健康的危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[8079].start |
23030.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8079].end |
23031.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8079].text |
它是證據非常充分 |
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23031.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8080].end |
23033.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8080].text |
而且動物跟人沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8081].start |
23033.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8081].end |
23035.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8081].text |
要定到多少的標準 |
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23035.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8082].end |
23038.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8082].text |
從動物的身上 |
| transcript.whisperx[8083].start |
23038.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8083].end |
23039.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8083].text |
要去做研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[8084].start |
23039.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8084].end |
23040.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8084].text |
它有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8085].start |
23040.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8085].end |
23042.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8085].text |
但是它的標準要定在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[8086].start |
23042.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8086].end |
23044.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8086].text |
到目前還沒有標準 |
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23044.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8087].end |
23045.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8087].text |
但是這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[8088].start |
23045.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8088].end |
23046.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8088].text |
唯一這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[8089].start |
23046.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8089].end |
23048.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8089].text |
您不能再說要累積大量 |
| transcript.whisperx[8090].start |
23048.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8090].end |
23050.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8090].text |
才可能致癌 |
| transcript.whisperx[8091].start |
23050.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8091].end |
23051.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8091].text |
我不是說要累積大量 |
| transcript.whisperx[8092].start |
23051.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8092].end |
23054.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8092].text |
我說我跟您討論科學 |
| transcript.whisperx[8093].start |
23054.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8093].end |
23055.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8093].text |
從科學上來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[8094].start |
23055.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8094].end |
23056.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8094].text |
我們一直在討論科學 |
| transcript.whisperx[8095].start |
23056.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8095].end |
23058.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8095].text |
它是長期累積 |
| transcript.whisperx[8096].start |
23058.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8096].end |
23059.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8096].text |
因為它必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[8097].start |
23059.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8097].end |
23061.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8097].text |
你覺得現在吃多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[8098].start |
23061.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8098].end |
23063.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8098].text |
它不是急性的毒性 |
| transcript.whisperx[8099].start |
23063.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8099].end |
23064.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8099].text |
什麼毒都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8100].start |
23064.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8100].end |
23065.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8100].text |
全台灣都犯案 |
| transcript.whisperx[8101].start |
23065.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8101].end |
23068.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8101].text |
我們就科學來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[8102].start |
23068.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8102].end |
23070.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8102].text |
也不要造成民眾的恐慌 |
| transcript.whisperx[8103].start |
23070.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8103].end |
23071.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8103].text |
我們也發布了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8104].start |
23071.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8104].end |
23074.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8104].text |
我們國衛院它所計算出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8105].start |
23074.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8105].end |
23076.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8105].text |
我非常清楚20%怎麼算來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8106].start |
23076.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8106].end |
23078.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8106].text |
我也不在這邊講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8107].start |
23078.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8107].end |
23079.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8107].text |
基本上我就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8108].start |
23079.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8108].end |
23080.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8108].text |
不要單純再用 |
| transcript.whisperx[8109].start |
23080.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8109].end |
23082.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8109].text |
以前一貫的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8110].start |
23082.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8110].end |
23083.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8110].text |
說這就要吃很久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8111].start |
23083.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8111].end |
23085.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8111].text |
吃很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[8112].start |
23085.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8112].end |
23087.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8112].text |
江組長我今天也沒讓你講話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8113].start |
23087.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8113].end |
23088.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8113].text |
您過去因為你是學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[8114].start |
23088.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8114].end |
23089.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8114].text |
學者是用這個話講 |
| transcript.whisperx[8115].start |
23089.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8115].end |
23091.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8115].text |
問題今天我們是食用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[8116].start |
23091.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8116].end |
23092.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8116].text |
什麼東西都加油 |
| transcript.whisperx[8117].start |
23092.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8117].end |
23093.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8117].text |
然後我在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[8118].start |
23093.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8118].end |
23095.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8118].text |
人沒有吃油是活不下去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8119].start |
23095.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8119].end |
23097.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8119].text |
所以這個吳征您講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8120].start |
23097.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8120].end |
23098.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8120].text |
你有逼嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8121].start |
23098.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8121].end |
23099.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8121].text |
有 你有逼我們吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[8122].start |
23099.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8122].end |
23100.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8122].text |
因為我們已經沒有健康油 |
| transcript.whisperx[8123].start |
23100.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8123].end |
23101.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8123].text |
可以吃了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8124].start |
23101.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8124].end |
23102.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8124].text |
油是我們人體的必要營養素 |
| transcript.whisperx[8125].start |
23102.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8125].end |
23103.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8125].text |
油是我們提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[8126].start |
23103.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8126].end |
23105.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8126].text |
必須胺基酸的重要來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[8127].start |
23105.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8127].end |
23106.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8127].text |
必須胺基酸表示什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[8128].start |
23106.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8128].end |
23107.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8128].text |
我們身體沒辦法合成 |
| transcript.whisperx[8129].start |
23107.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8129].end |
23108.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8129].text |
我們需要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8130].start |
23108.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8130].end |
23109.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8130].text |
第三 所有的油溶性 |
| transcript.whisperx[8131].start |
23109.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8131].end |
23110.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8131].text |
維他命A D E K |
| transcript.whisperx[8132].start |
23110.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8132].end |
23112.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8132].text |
都是靠油才能幫助我們吸收 |
| transcript.whisperx[8133].start |
23112.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8133].end |
23113.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8133].text |
所以油是必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8134].start |
23113.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8134].end |
23114.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8134].text |
你有沒有逼我們吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[8135].start |
23114.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8135].end |
23116.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8135].text |
有 我們到處都吃了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8136].start |
23116.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8136].end |
23117.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8136].text |
柏定瑜那句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8137].start |
23117.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8137].end |
23118.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8137].text |
拜託你不要再說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8138].start |
23118.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8138].end |
23119.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8138].text |
有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8139].start |
23119.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8139].end |
23120.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8139].text |
我從來不講說這句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8140].start |
23120.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8140].end |
23122.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8140].text |
我講的都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8141].start |
23122.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8141].end |
23124.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8141].text |
確保這個油品的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[8142].start |
23124.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8142].end |
23126.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8142].text |
實用的安全是我們的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[8143].start |
23126.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8143].end |
23128.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8143].text |
所以這個我們一定會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8144].start |
23128.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8144].end |
23129.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8144].text |
務實的去做到 |
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23129.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8145].end |
23130.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8145].text |
好啦 部長謝謝你 |
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23130.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8146].end |
23131.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8146].text |
我盡量也盡量用科學 |
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23131.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8147].end |
23133.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8147].text |
用我的專業跟你溝通 |
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23133.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8148].end |
23134.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8148].text |
好 謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8149].start |
23134.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8149].end |
23135.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8149].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[8150].start |
23138.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[8150].end |
23140.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[8150].text |
好 謝謝陳昭助委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[8151].start |
23140.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[8151].end |
23142.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[8151].text |
接著請林黛樺委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[8152].start |
23154.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8152].end |
23155.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[8152].text |
有請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8153].start |
23156.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8153].end |
23157.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8153].text |
好 請師部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8154].start |
23161.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8154].end |
23162.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8154].text |
李委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8155].start |
23162.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8155].end |
23164.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8155].text |
好 本席由以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8156].start |
23164.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8156].end |
23166.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8156].text |
修正動議的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[8157].start |
23166.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8157].end |
23168.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8157].text |
希望在這個食安法當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[8158].start |
23168.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8158].end |
23171.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8158].text |
導入這個GS1 Summarize 2027 |
| transcript.whisperx[8159].start |
23171.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8159].end |
23173.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8159].text |
來健全台灣食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[8160].start |
23173.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8160].end |
23176.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8160].text |
稽查的數位透徑 |
| transcript.whisperx[8161].start |
23176.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8161].end |
23178.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8161].text |
那這個現在我們稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[8162].start |
23178.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8162].end |
23179.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8162].text |
有三大瓶頸 |
| transcript.whisperx[8163].start |
23179.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8163].end |
23181.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8163].text |
第一個 紙本跟數據的斷層 |
| transcript.whisperx[8164].start |
23181.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8164].end |
23182.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8164].text |
第二個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8165].start |
23182.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8165].end |
23184.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8165].text |
因為條碼的資訊限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[8166].start |
23184.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8166].end |
23185.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8166].text |
第三個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8167].start |
23185.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8167].end |
23187.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8167].text |
擴大儲置的成本的高昂 |
| transcript.whisperx[8168].start |
23187.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8168].end |
23190.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8168].text |
紙本跟數據的斷層 |
| transcript.whisperx[8169].start |
23190.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8169].end |
23191.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8169].text |
這邊呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8170].start |
23191.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8170].end |
23192.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8170].text |
現場是仰賴業者的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8171].start |
23192.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8171].end |
23194.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8171].text |
紙本的漲策人工對仗 |
| transcript.whisperx[8172].start |
23194.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8172].end |
23196.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8172].text |
遇到隱匿或生爆不死的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8173].start |
23196.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8173].end |
23200.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8173].text |
調閱與跨場比對極度耗時 |
| transcript.whisperx[8174].start |
23200.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8174].end |
23203.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8174].text |
我們的意味條碼的資訊的辨識 |
| transcript.whisperx[8175].start |
23203.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8175].end |
23204.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8175].text |
它只能針對品類 |
| transcript.whisperx[8176].start |
23204.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8176].end |
23207.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8176].text |
無法記載特定的批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[8177].start |
23207.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8177].end |
23209.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8177].text |
跟有效日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[8178].start |
23209.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8178].end |
23210.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8178].text |
那再來就是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[8179].start |
23210.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8179].end |
23212.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8179].text |
擴大儲置成本的高昂 |
| transcript.whisperx[8180].start |
23212.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8180].end |
23215.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8180].text |
無法精準定位污染的批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[8181].start |
23215.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8181].end |
23217.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8181].text |
所以造成了合規的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[8182].start |
23217.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8182].end |
23220.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8182].text |
嚴重的損失與消費恐慌 |
| transcript.whisperx[8183].start |
23220.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8183].end |
23223.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8183].text |
部長您覺得現在行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[8184].start |
23223.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8184].end |
23224.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8184].text |
跟各立委的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[8185].start |
23224.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8185].end |
23226.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8185].text |
可以解決這個現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[8186].start |
23226.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8186].end |
23228.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8186].text |
稽查的三大瓶頸嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8187].start |
23228.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8187].end |
23231.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8187].text |
確實委員提到的這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8188].start |
23231.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8188].end |
23233.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8188].text |
現在確實這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8189].start |
23233.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8189].end |
23234.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8189].text |
像譬如說第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8190].start |
23234.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8190].end |
23236.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8190].text |
雖然我們現在在推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[8191].start |
23236.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8191].end |
23240.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8191].text |
用這個電子發票直接去勾稽 |
| transcript.whisperx[8192].start |
23240.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8192].end |
23242.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8192].text |
那但是也還沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8193].start |
23242.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8193].end |
23244.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8193].text |
完全都數位化 |
| transcript.whisperx[8194].start |
23244.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8194].end |
23245.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8194].text |
我們現在還是雙軌並行 |
| transcript.whisperx[8195].start |
23245.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8195].end |
23248.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8195].text |
所以還是有紙本申報的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[8196].start |
23248.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8196].end |
23252.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8196].text |
那這個就可能造成資料的不正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[8197].start |
23252.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8197].end |
23255.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8197].text |
或者是延誤會比較慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8198].start |
23255.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8198].end |
23256.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8198].text |
如果能夠做成 |
| transcript.whisperx[8199].start |
23256.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8199].end |
23257.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8199].text |
所以這三大瓶頸 |
| transcript.whisperx[8200].start |
23257.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8200].end |
23259.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8200].text |
是目前即使修法通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[8201].start |
23259.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8201].end |
23261.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8201].text |
也沒有辦法解決的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8202].start |
23261.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8202].end |
23263.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8202].text |
好來那本來就具體建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[8203].start |
23263.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8203].end |
23266.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8203].text |
我先介紹GS1 Summarize 2027的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[8204].start |
23266.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8204].end |
23269.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8204].text |
介紹其實我倡議這個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[8205].start |
23269.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8205].end |
23272.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8205].text |
已經這個是我歷經第三個委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8206].start |
23272.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8206].end |
23273.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8206].text |
我從經濟委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8207].start |
23273.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8207].end |
23275.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8207].text |
到財政委員會的倡議 |
| transcript.whisperx[8208].start |
23275.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8208].end |
23277.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8208].text |
包括到現在的會還委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8209].start |
23277.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8209].end |
23279.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8209].text |
什麼叫做Summarize 2027呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8210].start |
23279.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8210].end |
23281.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8210].text |
它其實是一個二維QR code |
| transcript.whisperx[8211].start |
23281.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8211].end |
23283.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8211].text |
那它的特色就兩點 |
| transcript.whisperx[8212].start |
23283.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8212].end |
23285.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8212].text |
一個是線上溯源 |
| transcript.whisperx[8213].start |
23285.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8213].end |
23290.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8213].text |
第二個它從原料生產加工運輸配送 |
| transcript.whisperx[8214].start |
23290.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8214].end |
23293.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8214].text |
到回收完整都物聯網化了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8215].start |
23293.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8215].end |
23295.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8215].text |
所以它能夠在核心的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[8216].start |
23295.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8216].end |
23298.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8216].text |
跟變革上全面的升級2D條碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[8217].start |
23298.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8217].end |
23300.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8217].text |
所以它能夠讓這個在收銀端 |
| transcript.whisperx[8218].start |
23300.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8218].end |
23302.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8218].text |
最消費者端讀取的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[8219].start |
23302.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8219].end |
23304.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8219].text |
它也攜帶更多的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[8220].start |
23304.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8220].end |
23306.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8220].text |
而不是純粹是有品項而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[8221].start |
23306.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8221].end |
23309.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8221].text |
它能夠包括你儲存的批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[8222].start |
23309.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8222].end |
23311.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8222].text |
有效日期及序號 |
| transcript.whisperx[8223].start |
23311.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8223].end |
23315.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8223].text |
比如說我們這次的大黃豆的進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[8224].start |
23315.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8224].end |
23317.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8224].text |
到底出問題的是哪一批呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8225].start |
23317.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8225].end |
23319.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8225].text |
我們都如果導入了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8226].start |
23319.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8226].end |
23321.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8226].text |
這樣的二維條碼的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8227].start |
23321.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8227].end |
23322.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8227].text |
是查得出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8228].start |
23322.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8228].end |
23324.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8228].text |
所以我也提升消費的體驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[8229].start |
23324.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8229].end |
23326.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8229].text |
那對企業跟工業的影響是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8230].start |
23327.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8230].end |
23330.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8230].text |
我如果導入了這個SUNRISE2027的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8231].start |
23330.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8231].end |
23333.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8231].text |
那這個供應鏈的精準管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[8232].start |
23333.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8232].end |
23335.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8232].text |
我會更精準的追蹤產品的有效期 |
| transcript.whisperx[8233].start |
23335.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8233].end |
23336.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8233].text |
減少食物的浪費 |
| transcript.whisperx[8234].start |
23336.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8234].end |
23338.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8234].text |
跟過期下架的損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[8235].start |
23338.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8235].end |
23340.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8235].text |
對防偽跟安全的追溯 |
| transcript.whisperx[8236].start |
23340.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8236].end |
23343.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8236].text |
可以透過序號的追蹤產品的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[8237].start |
23343.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8237].end |
23344.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8237].text |
防止假貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[8238].start |
23344.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8238].end |
23345.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8238].text |
並確保食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[8239].start |
23345.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8239].end |
23349.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8239].text |
第三個這個系統跟軟硬體的改造 |
| transcript.whisperx[8240].start |
23349.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8240].end |
23352.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8240].text |
這也就是所有的我們的產業提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[8241].start |
23352.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8241].end |
23355.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8241].text |
零售章跟品牌商必須更新硬體 |
| transcript.whisperx[8242].start |
23355.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8242].end |
23358.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8242].text |
這個掃描機以及這個軟體POST的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[8243].start |
23358.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8243].end |
23362.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8243].text |
否則面臨無法刷出商品跟鍛鍊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8244].start |
23362.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8244].end |
23363.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8244].text |
還要提的一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[8245].start |
23363.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8245].end |
23367.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8245].text |
就是我們現在的QR code是貼上去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8246].start |
23367.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8246].end |
23369.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8246].text |
未來沒有貼這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[8247].start |
23369.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8247].end |
23373.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8247].text |
直接烙印每一個批號你的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[8248].start |
23373.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8248].end |
23374.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8248].text |
每一個過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[8249].start |
23374.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8249].end |
23376.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8249].text |
甚至在烘培的過程它是幾度 |
| transcript.whisperx[8250].start |
23376.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8250].end |
23378.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8250].text |
它的氣壓是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[8251].start |
23378.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8251].end |
23381.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8251].text |
全部都可以在這個二維條碼登載的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8252].start |
23381.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8252].end |
23383.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8252].text |
而且通通都是物聯網的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8253].start |
23383.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8253].end |
23386.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8253].text |
所以真的如果發生事情的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8254].start |
23386.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8254].end |
23388.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8254].text |
我都可以只要一鍵按下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8255].start |
23388.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8255].end |
23390.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8255].text |
你都可以查掉剛才的機查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8256].start |
23390.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8256].end |
23393.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8256].text |
所有的困境完全解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[8257].start |
23393.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8257].end |
23396.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8257].text |
好那這個食品安全機查的流程的轉型 |
| transcript.whisperx[8258].start |
23396.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8258].end |
23399.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8258].text |
我分作現在傳統的食安機查的模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[8259].start |
23399.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8259].end |
23402.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8259].text |
跟我導入Sumnerize 2020的快速溯源 |
| transcript.whisperx[8260].start |
23402.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8260].end |
23404.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8260].text |
針對在這幾個面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[8261].start |
23404.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8261].end |
23405.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8261].text |
新前的準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[8262].start |
23405.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8262].end |
23407.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8262].text |
之前現況是系統跟紙本的比對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8263].start |
23407.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8263].end |
23410.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8263].text |
未來就是勾選預設 |
| transcript.whisperx[8264].start |
23410.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8264].end |
23412.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8264].text |
綁定2D條碼的動態履歷 |
| transcript.whisperx[8265].start |
23412.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8265].end |
23417.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8265].text |
現場的核對在現況是人工竹箱目視掃描 |
| transcript.whisperx[8266].start |
23417.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8266].end |
23419.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8266].text |
未來是手指你的設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[8267].start |
23419.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8267].end |
23423.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8267].text |
秒級掃描帶出批號的效期 |
| transcript.whisperx[8268].start |
23423.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8268].end |
23425.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8268].text |
供應鏈的這個溯源 |
| transcript.whisperx[8269].start |
23425.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8269].end |
23429.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8269].text |
供應鏈的溯源現在是發函跟上測的比對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8270].start |
23429.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8270].end |
23431.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8270].text |
我必須花了好幾天 |
| transcript.whisperx[8271].start |
23431.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8271].end |
23434.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8271].text |
那未來我只要單點的掃描 |
| transcript.whisperx[8272].start |
23434.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8272].end |
23436.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8272].text |
連網的穿透上下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8273].start |
23436.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8273].end |
23439.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8273].text |
有一鍵按下幾秒全部通通掃到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8274].start |
23439.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8274].end |
23441.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8274].text |
包括異常預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[8275].start |
23441.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8275].end |
23444.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8275].text |
這個是各個委員提案當中最重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8276].start |
23444.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8276].end |
23446.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8276].text |
至現在我們是人工通報存在時間差 |
| transcript.whisperx[8277].start |
23446.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8277].end |
23450.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8277].text |
未來我就是Pose的系統即時阻斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[8278].start |
23450.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8278].end |
23452.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8278].text |
我們在這個行政作業現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[8279].start |
23452.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8279].end |
23454.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8279].text |
現在是現場手抄 |
| transcript.whisperx[8280].start |
23454.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8280].end |
23456.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8280].text |
防防打字 |
| transcript.whisperx[8281].start |
23456.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8281].end |
23460.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8281].text |
未來是掃描定位自動會的電子簽商 |
| transcript.whisperx[8282].start |
23460.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8282].end |
23461.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8282].text |
最重要的作業時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[8283].start |
23461.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8283].end |
23464.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8283].text |
也就現在我們查了兩個多月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8284].start |
23464.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8284].end |
23466.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8284].text |
這樣監理盲區 |
| transcript.whisperx[8285].start |
23466.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8285].end |
23467.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8285].text |
還在查 |
| transcript.whisperx[8286].start |
23467.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8286].end |
23470.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8286].text |
未來的作業時間裡的單場的稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[8287].start |
23470.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8287].end |
23473.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8287].text |
三到六個小時未來會減少在半小時內就會完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[8288].start |
23473.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8288].end |
23476.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8288].text |
完整的溯源我可能花到三到七天 |
| transcript.whisperx[8289].start |
23476.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8289].end |
23479.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8289].text |
未來就是一個半分鐘到半小時內 |
| transcript.whisperx[8290].start |
23479.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8290].end |
23481.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8290].text |
我就可以完成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8291].start |
23481.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8291].end |
23485.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8291].text |
好我就以這樣的一個系統導入之後的現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[8292].start |
23485.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8292].end |
23488.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8292].text |
過往跟現在的未來跟現在的比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[8293].start |
23488.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8293].end |
23490.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8293].text |
以中聯獨有案 |
| transcript.whisperx[8294].start |
23490.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8294].end |
23491.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8294].text |
現況是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[8295].start |
23491.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8295].end |
23492.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8295].text |
下游五月異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[8296].start |
23492.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8296].end |
23495.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8296].text |
我六月底通報到現在了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8297].start |
23495.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8297].end |
23498.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8297].text |
五月六月兩個月的監理盲區 |
| transcript.whisperx[8298].start |
23498.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8298].end |
23500.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8298].text |
民眾完全都在不知的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[8299].start |
23500.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8299].end |
23504.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8299].text |
政府中央地方互相也在不知的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[8300].start |
23504.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8300].end |
23506.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8300].text |
互相的在指責對方 |
| transcript.whisperx[8301].start |
23506.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8301].end |
23508.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8301].text |
那也動員了數十名的稽查員 |
| transcript.whisperx[8302].start |
23508.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8302].end |
23512.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8302].text |
人工翻閱賬冊比對30批有耗時了12天 |
| transcript.whisperx[8303].start |
23512.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8303].end |
23515.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8303].text |
以及第三個我們現數百項的遊品 |
| transcript.whisperx[8304].start |
23515.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8304].end |
23519.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8304].text |
全系統的預防性下降造成社會恐慌 |
| transcript.whisperx[8305].start |
23519.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8305].end |
23522.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8305].text |
如果我導入GS1三位2027的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8306].start |
23522.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8306].end |
23524.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8306].text |
可以預估的效應是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[8307].start |
23524.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8307].end |
23526.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8307].text |
第一個我可以通報縮短 |
| transcript.whisperx[8308].start |
23526.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8308].end |
23528.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8308].text |
通報縮短自到即時 |
| transcript.whisperx[8309].start |
23528.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8309].end |
23532.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8309].text |
第二個我的因為掃描了油桶2D條碼之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[8310].start |
23532.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8310].end |
23534.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8310].text |
我一秒可以抓取的這個批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[8311].start |
23534.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8311].end |
23538.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8311].text |
現場核對有12天降到15到30分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[8312].start |
23538.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8312].end |
23540.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8312].text |
那問題批號的註冊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8313].start |
23540.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8313].end |
23546.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8313].text |
全台Post直接鎖定拒刷避免良品的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[8314].start |
23546.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8314].end |
23548.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8314].text |
好這樣的消費者對民眾來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[8315].start |
23548.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8315].end |
23550.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8315].text |
我可以達到什麼的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8316].start |
23550.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8316].end |
23552.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8316].text |
我可以讓民眾消除焦慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[8317].start |
23553.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8317].end |
23556.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8317].text |
他可以在即使他買了回到家裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[8318].start |
23556.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8318].end |
23558.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8318].text |
現在發生的這個食安事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[8319].start |
23558.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8319].end |
23562.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8319].text |
我只要用手機附有這個相機的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8320].start |
23562.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8320].end |
23563.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8320].text |
我就掃描之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[8321].start |
23563.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8321].end |
23564.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8321].text |
我就知道我這個批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[8322].start |
23564.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8322].end |
23568.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8322].text |
是不是屬於這個這個這個危險的批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[8323].start |
23568.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8323].end |
23570.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8323].text |
第二個我可以安心購物 |
| transcript.whisperx[8324].start |
23570.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8324].end |
23574.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8324].text |
即使我上架了但是還來不及下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[8325].start |
23574.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8325].end |
23577.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8325].text |
我買了我的Post系統終結端 |
| transcript.whisperx[8326].start |
23577.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8326].end |
23579.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8326].text |
收銀收銀帳結帳端 |
| transcript.whisperx[8327].start |
23579.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8327].end |
23581.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8327].text |
我也自動的攔截了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8328].start |
23581.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8328].end |
23584.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8328].text |
我自會消費我單一的掃描 |
| transcript.whisperx[8329].start |
23584.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8329].end |
23590.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8329].text |
即可連結產銷旅行SGS的這個檢驗報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[8330].start |
23590.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8330].end |
23591.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8330].text |
跟過敏源的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[8331].start |
23591.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8331].end |
23595.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8331].text |
全部消費者都可以一鍵就可以了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[8332].start |
23595.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8332].end |
23598.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8332].text |
轉被動接收為主動查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[8333].start |
23598.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8333].end |
23601.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8333].text |
好我現在導入Sumrise2027的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8334].start |
23601.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8334].end |
23603.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8334].text |
各階段的人力負荷的變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[8335].start |
23603.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8335].end |
23605.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8335].text |
目前我們的人力是多吃緊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8336].start |
23605.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8336].end |
23610.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8336].text |
一年60萬的進口食品總批是60萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[8337].start |
23610.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8337].end |
23613.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8337].text |
邊境把關的查驗專業人力是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[8338].start |
23613.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8338].end |
23614.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8338].text |
100萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8339].start |
23614.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8339].end |
23617.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8339].text |
包括現在就是你們食藥署很吃重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8340].start |
23617.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8340].end |
23619.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8340].text |
在我們全台後市場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8341].start |
23619.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8341].end |
23622.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8341].text |
稽查總能力中央地方加起來400個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8342].start |
23622.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8342].end |
23627.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8342].text |
要針對我們號稱汪洋大海的美食王國 |
| transcript.whisperx[8343].start |
23627.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8343].end |
23629.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8343].text |
數十萬家的小吃攤 |
| transcript.whisperx[8344].start |
23629.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8344].end |
23632.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8344].text |
你們還要兼辦藥品化妝品 |
| transcript.whisperx[8345].start |
23632.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8345].end |
23634.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8345].text |
就靠這400個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8346].start |
23634.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8346].end |
23636.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8346].text |
如果Sumrise2027導入的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8347].start |
23636.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8347].end |
23638.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[8347].text |
前期我們也 |
| transcript.whisperx[8348].start |
23639.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8348].end |
23641.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8348].text |
分店風險分級 |
| transcript.whisperx[8349].start |
23641.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8349].end |
23644.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8349].text |
鎖定這個大宗的B2B的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[8350].start |
23644.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8350].end |
23649.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8350].text |
由蘆坪廠來做學習新信託 |
| transcript.whisperx[8351].start |
23649.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8351].end |
23650.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8351].text |
負荷量也許會上升 |
| transcript.whisperx[8352].start |
23650.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8352].end |
23652.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8352].text |
但是我這個稽查能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[8353].start |
23652.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8353].end |
23655.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8353].text |
當大家初期跟過度稽轉型之後的後續 |
| transcript.whisperx[8354].start |
23655.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8354].end |
23659.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8354].text |
我稽查的時間縮短50%以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[8355].start |
23659.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8355].end |
23664.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8355].text |
避免自動帶入系統免重複登達 |
| transcript.whisperx[8356].start |
23664.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8356].end |
23666.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8356].text |
我整體的稽查能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[8357].start |
23666.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8357].end |
23668.02 |
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可以大大下降40%到60% |
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23668.02 |
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23670.02 |
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好 如果是這樣之後 |
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23670.02 |
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我後端的稽查的 |
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23672.02 |
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23674.02 |
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勤政官員的稽查配套是什麼 |
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23674.02 |
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23679.02 |
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在我已經完成原料生產加工運輸配送 |
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23679.02 |
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23682.02 |
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包括回收喔 部長 |
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23682.02 |
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23685.02 |
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我們是包括回收都可以在這裡面的喔 |
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23685.02 |
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23688.02 |
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你從黃豆進口來之後 |
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23688.02 |
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23692.02 |
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經過中年的這個產品銷售 |
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23692.02 |
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23695.02 |
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包括運輸到我消費者 |
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23695.02 |
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23698.02 |
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以及這個相關的回收鏈 |
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23698.02 |
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23701.02 |
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我都可以在這個Summit 27 |
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23705.02 |
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因為它有大概好幾千項的 |
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23705.02 |
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23708.02 |
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這個列管的項目讓你去填 |
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23708.02 |
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23711.02 |
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所以我光是我的行政稽查的配套 |
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23711.02 |
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23714.02 |
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我政府當中我是設備將近 |
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23714.02 |
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23717.02 |
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我無需要高行的這個設備 |
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23717.02 |
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23719.02 |
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那我也可以自動化的勾稽 |
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23719.02 |
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23722.02 |
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正是很清楚的責任回歸業者 |
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23723.02 |
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分期的公告機制 |
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23723.02 |
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23727.02 |
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而且稽查員只要執行數據認證就好了 |
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23727.02 |
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23730.02 |
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數據驗證不要再幫業者比對資本了 |
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23730.02 |
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23732.02 |
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最後我這邊的秀 |
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23732.02 |
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23734.02 |
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叫部長您直接等一下的表態 |
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23734.02 |
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23737.02 |
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面對日益複雜的食品的供應鏈 |
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23737.02 |
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23739.02 |
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維持傳統的資本跟人工 |
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23739.02 |
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23741.02 |
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稽查的模式引來以為繼 |
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23741.02 |
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23743.02 |
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在本法食品安全衛生管理法 |
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23743.02 |
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23745.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8385].text |
導入GS1的Summit 27 |
| transcript.whisperx[8386].start |
23745.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8386].end |
23747.02 |
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是持安管理 |
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23747.02 |
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23749.02 |
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由事後的補救轉型為 |
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23749.02 |
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23752.02 |
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轉型為即時的預防的核心 |
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23752.02 |
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23754.02 |
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轉軸保護消費者 |
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23754.02 |
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23755.02 |
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降低企業風險 |
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23755.02 |
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23758.02 |
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紓解這個檢驗檢查壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[8392].start |
23758.02 |
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23760.02 |
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那部長您對本席這樣的修法提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[8393].start |
23760.02 |
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23762.02 |
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您的建議是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[8394].start |
23762.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8394].end |
23763.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8394].text |
您的看法是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[8395].start |
23763.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8395].end |
23764.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8395].text |
謝謝委員 |
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23764.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8396].end |
23766.02 |
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我對您的這個提案非常欣賞 |
| transcript.whisperx[8397].start |
23766.02 |
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23768.02 |
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所以我們會來研議 |
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23768.02 |
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23769.02 |
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剛開始的時候 |
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23769.02 |
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23771.02 |
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他可能投入需要 |
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23771.02 |
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23772.02 |
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欣賞下面都在笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[8401].start |
23772.02 |
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23774.02 |
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需要投入 |
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23774.02 |
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23779.02 |
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初期我們需要投入一些成本跟時間 |
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23779.02 |
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23781.02 |
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不過長期來講 |
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23781.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8404].end |
23785.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8404].text |
面對我們現在缺工的時代 |
| transcript.whisperx[8405].start |
23785.02 |
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23787.02 |
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我想我們又要管理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8406].start |
23787.02 |
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23790.02 |
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越來越detail越來越複雜 |
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23790.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8407].end |
23791.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8407].text |
導入這個系統 |
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23791.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8408].end |
23792.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8408].text |
我想絕對是有幫忙 |
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23792.02 |
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23795.02 |
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包括他重點他是溯源 |
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23795.02 |
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23798.02 |
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他其實是線上從理生原料開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[8411].start |
23798.02 |
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23800.02 |
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我的批號 |
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23800.02 |
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23802.02 |
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包括進到生產 |
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23802.02 |
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23804.02 |
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你任何的狀態 |
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23804.02 |
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23807.02 |
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空氣壓力水 |
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23807.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8415].end |
23808.02 |
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什麼通通都可以 |
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23808.02 |
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23809.02 |
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包括溫度 |
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23809.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8417].end |
23812.02 |
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包括你即使到最後端的運輸物流 |
| transcript.whisperx[8418].start |
23812.02 |
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23815.02 |
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你在什麼的溫度下變質了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8419].start |
23815.02 |
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23818.02 |
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那其實都可以追溯出來的 |
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23818.02 |
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23819.02 |
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包括你這個產品 |
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23819.02 |
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23820.02 |
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最後是怎麼回收 |
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23820.02 |
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23821.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8422].text |
全部都 |
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23821.02 |
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23825.02 |
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而且你的標籤是不能貼的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8424].start |
23825.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8424].end |
23827.02 |
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是直接在你的最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[8425].start |
23827.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8425].end |
23828.02 |
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整個產品出來的時候 |
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23828.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8426].end |
23830.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8426].text |
直接烙印上去的 |
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23830.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8427].end |
23832.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8427].text |
所以這個現在大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[8428].start |
23832.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8428].end |
23834.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8428].text |
我說我今天講這個都不是政治議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8429].start |
23834.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8429].end |
23835.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8429].text |
誰對誰錯 |
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23835.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8430].end |
23836.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8430].text |
中央錯 |
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23836.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8431].end |
23837.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8431].text |
地方錯我都不管 |
| transcript.whisperx[8432].start |
23837.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8432].end |
23839.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8432].text |
重點是你們現在修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8433].start |
23839.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8433].end |
23841.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8433].text |
根本都不能解決問題 |
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23841.02 |
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23842.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8434].text |
不能解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[8435].start |
23842.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8435].end |
23843.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8435].text |
你還是不能解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[8436].start |
23843.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8436].end |
23844.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8436].text |
所以只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8437].start |
23844.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8437].end |
23846.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8437].text |
要請部長您這個好好研究一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8438].start |
23846.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8438].end |
23848.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8438].text |
因為等一下主席他下一次什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8439].start |
23848.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8439].end |
23851.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8439].text |
排案的條文審查之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[8440].start |
23851.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8440].end |
23852.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8440].text |
我希望你把三關的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[8441].start |
23852.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8441].end |
23853.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8441].text |
我們來研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[8442].start |
23853.02 |
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23854.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8442].text |
研究好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8443].start |
23854.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8443].end |
23855.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8443].text |
然後我們來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8444].start |
23855.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8444].end |
23857.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8444].text |
這個涉及到整個產業的轉型 |
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23857.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8445].end |
23858.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8445].text |
太棒你講到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8446].start |
23858.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8446].end |
23859.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8446].text |
講到這就是產業轉型 |
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23859.02 |
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23861.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8447].text |
所以其實我們的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[8448].start |
23861.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8448].end |
23863.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8448].text |
要做這樣產業鏈跟人員的訓練 |
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23863.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8449].end |
23864.02 |
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它是需要成本 |
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23864.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8450].end |
23865.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8450].text |
政府要支持他 |
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23865.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8451].end |
23867.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8451].text |
要編預算支持他 |
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23867.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8452].end |
23869.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8452].text |
我們的這個訓練能力要支持他 |
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23869.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8453].end |
23870.02 |
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好不好 |
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23870.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8454].end |
23871.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8454].text |
部長謝謝 |
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23871.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8455].end |
23872.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8455].text |
謝謝主席 |
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23872.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8456].end |
23873.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8456].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[8457].start |
23873.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8457].end |
23874.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8457].text |
謝謝 |
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23874.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8458].end |
23875.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8458].text |
好謝謝林大和委員 |
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23876.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8459].end |
23878.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8459].text |
接著請沈伯揚委員 |
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23889.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[8460].end |
23890.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[8460].text |
謝謝主席 |
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23890.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[8461].end |
23892.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[8461].text |
有請部長跟署長 |
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23892.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[8462].end |
23893.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[8462].text |
謝謝 |
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23893.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[8463].end |
23894.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[8463].text |
請部長跟江署長 |
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23896.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8464].end |
23897.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8464].text |
政委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8465].start |
23897.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8465].end |
23899.11 |
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那這個因為 |
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23899.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8466].end |
23902.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8466].text |
我看到今天這個質詢也比較多 |
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23902.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8467].end |
23903.11 |
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那這個未完的時間 |
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23903.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8468].end |
23905.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8468].text |
通常也會稍微拉長一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[8469].start |
23905.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8469].end |
23906.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8469].text |
所以我簡要問 |
| transcript.whisperx[8470].start |
23906.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8470].end |
23909.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8470].text |
就是說我們接下來這一個修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8471].start |
23909.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8471].end |
23910.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8471].text |
有幾個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[8472].start |
23910.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8472].end |
23912.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8472].text |
那第一個方向就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8473].start |
23912.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8473].end |
23915.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8473].text |
因為今天不管今天業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[8474].start |
23915.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8474].end |
23916.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8474].text |
出了什麼問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8475].start |
23916.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8475].end |
23917.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8475].text |
今天業者他一定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8476].start |
23917.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8476].end |
23919.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8476].text |
驗了之後他發現有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8477].start |
23919.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8477].end |
23920.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8477].text |
那我就看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8478].start |
23920.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8478].end |
23922.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8478].text |
就這一次的修法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8479].start |
23922.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8479].end |
23923.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8479].text |
他就把一些責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[8480].start |
23923.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8480].end |
23926.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8480].text |
從業者移到檢驗的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[8481].start |
23926.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8481].end |
23929.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8481].text |
那我那時候跟其他委員討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8482].start |
23929.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8482].end |
23930.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8482].text |
我們就認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8483].start |
23930.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8483].end |
23931.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8483].text |
好那這個檢驗的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[8484].start |
23931.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8484].end |
23933.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8484].text |
因為業者可能會有隱瞞的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8485].start |
23933.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8485].end |
23934.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8485].text |
當然他隱瞞問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8486].start |
23934.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8486].end |
23935.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8486].text |
他會有隱瞞的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[8487].start |
23935.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8487].end |
23937.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8487].text |
他會有其他的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[8488].start |
23937.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8488].end |
23939.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8488].text |
那如果檢驗的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[8489].start |
23939.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8489].end |
23940.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8489].text |
他能夠去分擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[8490].start |
23940.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8490].end |
23942.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8490].text |
他變成說他也往上報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8491].start |
23942.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8491].end |
23943.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8491].text |
那這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8492].start |
23943.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8492].end |
23945.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8492].text |
或許我們就可以及時的掌握到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8493].start |
23945.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8493].end |
23946.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8493].text |
第一手的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[8494].start |
23946.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8494].end |
23948.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8494].text |
好那但是我們那時候在討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8495].start |
23948.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8495].end |
23950.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8495].text |
就是說因為檢驗的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[8496].start |
23950.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8496].end |
23951.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8496].text |
要回報這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[8497].start |
23951.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8497].end |
23953.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8497].text |
到底要設門檻還是不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[8498].start |
23953.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8498].end |
23954.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8498].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8499].start |
23954.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8499].end |
23955.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8499].text |
比如說他是有疑慮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8500].start |
23955.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8500].end |
23956.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8500].text |
或他超標了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8501].start |
23956.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8501].end |
23957.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8501].text |
所以他就要回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8502].start |
23957.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8502].end |
23959.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8502].text |
還是說不管結果為何 |
| transcript.whisperx[8503].start |
23959.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8503].end |
23960.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8503].text |
他都要回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8504].start |
23960.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8504].end |
23961.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8504].text |
那在這邊我看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8505].start |
23961.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8505].end |
23963.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8505].text |
院板的設計看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8506].start |
23963.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8506].end |
23966.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8506].text |
就是無論如何他都要回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8507].start |
23966.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8507].end |
23968.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8507].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[8508].start |
23968.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8508].end |
23970.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8508].text |
我們是用一個授權的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8509].start |
23970.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8509].end |
23973.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8509].text |
授權辦法會來逐步推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[8510].start |
23973.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8510].end |
23976.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8510].text |
第一個從業別的選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[8511].start |
23976.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8511].end |
23978.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8511].text |
哪一些是比較高風險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8512].start |
23978.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8512].end |
23980.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8512].text |
或者是影響性比較大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8513].start |
23980.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8513].end |
23982.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8513].text |
業別開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[8514].start |
23982.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8514].end |
23983.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8514].text |
然後第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8515].start |
23984.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8515].end |
23986.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8515].text |
檢驗的話會先從第一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[8516].start |
23986.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8516].end |
23988.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8516].text |
從有異常時通報開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[8517].start |
23988.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8517].end |
23990.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8517].text |
然後到逐步的進入到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8518].start |
23990.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8518].end |
23993.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8518].text |
全面的系統化之後就接接了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8519].start |
23993.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8519].end |
23995.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8519].text |
API接接整個接接起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8520].start |
23995.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8520].end |
23997.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8520].text |
所以他就不需要再另外通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8521].start |
23997.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8521].end |
23998.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8521].text |
等於就等於 |
| transcript.whisperx[8522].start |
23998.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8522].end |
24000.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8522].text |
檢驗結果上傳的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[8523].start |
24000.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8523].end |
24001.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8523].text |
所以我們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8524].start |
24001.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8524].end |
24002.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8524].text |
逐步逐步這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8525].start |
24002.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8525].end |
24004.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8525].text |
好那所以就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8526].start |
24004.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8526].end |
24006.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8526].text |
如果能夠直接有API接接 |
| transcript.whisperx[8527].start |
24006.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8527].end |
24007.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8527].text |
那方便嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8528].start |
24007.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8528].end |
24008.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8528].text |
因為這已經就不會說什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[8529].start |
24008.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8529].end |
24009.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8529].text |
你要跟不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[8530].start |
24009.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8530].end |
24011.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8530].text |
他沒有決定的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[8531].start |
24011.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8531].end |
24013.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8531].text |
他只要直接回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8532].start |
24013.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8532].end |
24015.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8532].text |
那這樣的話當然會比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8533].start |
24015.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8533].end |
24017.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8533].text |
那前面剛剛不早提到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8534].start |
24017.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8534].end |
24018.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8534].text |
逐步推行的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8535].start |
24018.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8535].end |
24020.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8535].text |
你可能還是會分門別類 |
| transcript.whisperx[8536].start |
24020.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8536].end |
24022.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8536].text |
可能會有風險高低 |
| transcript.whisperx[8537].start |
24022.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8537].end |
24024.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8537].text |
那當然我會比較擔心的事情就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8538].start |
24024.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8538].end |
24026.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8538].text |
如果我們今天把風險高低 |
| transcript.whisperx[8539].start |
24026.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8539].end |
24027.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8539].text |
這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[8540].start |
24027.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8540].end |
24030.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8540].text |
又把它當作是一個判斷標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[8541].start |
24030.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8541].end |
24031.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8541].text |
那會不會又 |
| transcript.whisperx[8542].start |
24031.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8542].end |
24033.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8542].text |
到底哪些是風險高哪些風險低 |
| transcript.whisperx[8543].start |
24033.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8543].end |
24035.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8543].text |
會不會又大家莫衷一事 |
| transcript.whisperx[8544].start |
24035.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8544].end |
24037.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8544].text |
因為這種時候就是最容易有 |
| transcript.whisperx[8545].start |
24037.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8545].end |
24038.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8545].text |
又變成政治口水 |
| transcript.whisperx[8546].start |
24038.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8546].end |
24039.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8546].text |
那我覺得因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[8547].start |
24039.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8547].end |
24040.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8547].text |
其實食品安全是科學 |
| transcript.whisperx[8548].start |
24040.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8548].end |
24042.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8548].text |
那關於剛剛講的這一個風險高低 |
| transcript.whisperx[8549].start |
24042.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8549].end |
24043.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8549].text |
那這個的判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[8550].start |
24043.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8550].end |
24044.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8550].text |
有沒有一個一致的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[8551].start |
24044.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8551].end |
24045.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8551].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[8552].start |
24045.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8552].end |
24048.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8552].text |
我們現在目前其實就已經理出 |
| transcript.whisperx[8553].start |
24048.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8553].end |
24049.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8553].text |
26個類別 |
| transcript.whisperx[8554].start |
24049.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8554].end |
24052.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8554].text |
他就是屬於非登跟非追不可 |
| transcript.whisperx[8555].start |
24052.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8555].end |
24053.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8555].text |
就是我們從過去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8556].start |
24053.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8556].end |
24055.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8556].text |
食安查核的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[8557].start |
24055.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8557].end |
24057.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8557].text |
或者是一些重大的食安事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[8558].start |
24057.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8558].end |
24059.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8558].text |
或者是國際上曾經發生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8559].start |
24059.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8559].end |
24061.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8559].text |
食安事件所累積出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8560].start |
24061.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8560].end |
24064.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8560].text |
那麼判斷出來的26個類別 |
| transcript.whisperx[8561].start |
24064.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8561].end |
24066.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8561].text |
那我們在這個26個類別上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8562].start |
24066.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8562].end |
24068.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8562].text |
再去挑出哪一個是第一階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[8563].start |
24068.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8563].end |
24069.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8563].text |
要進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8564].start |
24069.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8564].end |
24070.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8564].text |
逐步逐步這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8565].start |
24070.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8565].end |
24072.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8565].text |
好 那這個應該就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8566].start |
24072.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8566].end |
24074.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8566].text |
到最後也要有社會共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[8567].start |
24074.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8567].end |
24075.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8567].text |
這個沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8568].start |
24075.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8568].end |
24076.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8568].text |
那現在就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8569].start |
24076.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8569].end |
24077.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8569].text |
這個是第一層 |
| transcript.whisperx[8570].start |
24077.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8570].end |
24079.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8570].text |
就是說我們把業者隱瞞這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[8571].start |
24079.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8571].end |
24081.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8571].text |
因為我們畢竟就是要預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[8572].start |
24081.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8572].end |
24083.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8572].text |
我們不希望說事情發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8573].start |
24083.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8573].end |
24084.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8573].text |
然後到最後再追究 |
| transcript.whisperx[8574].start |
24084.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8574].end |
24086.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8574].text |
因為事情發生最後責任是一定要 |
| transcript.whisperx[8575].start |
24086.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8575].end |
24087.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8575].text |
但事情發生最後責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[8576].start |
24087.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8576].end |
24088.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8576].text |
畢竟它發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8577].start |
24088.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8577].end |
24090.69 |
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那我們是希望它不要發生 |
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24090.69 |
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24091.69 |
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所以不要發生這件事情 |
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24091.69 |
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24092.69 |
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我們把一部分的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8580].start |
24092.69 |
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24094.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8580].text |
剛剛講的結果上傳這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[8581].start |
24094.69 |
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24097.69 |
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把它移到檢查的這一個單位 |
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24097.69 |
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這是一個 |
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24098.69 |
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24100.69 |
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那再來就是再往上 |
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24100.69 |
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24102.69 |
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檢查的單位它知道有問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8585].start |
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24104.69 |
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然後它的結果它會自動上傳 |
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24104.69 |
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業者知道有問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8587].start |
24105.69 |
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24107.69 |
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那業者他必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[8588].start |
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能夠有回報的義務 |
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24108.69 |
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24109.69 |
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這是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8590].start |
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24111.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8590].text |
那業者再往上 |
| transcript.whisperx[8591].start |
24111.69 |
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24112.69 |
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就是我們的地方政府 |
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24112.69 |
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24114.69 |
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那現在就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8593].start |
24114.69 |
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24115.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8593].text |
針對地方政府他要檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[8594].start |
24115.69 |
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24117.69 |
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因為他要回報給地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[8595].start |
24117.69 |
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24119.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8595].text |
那地方政府這一個 |
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24119.69 |
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24121.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8596].text |
如果我們從預防的角度來看 |
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24121.69 |
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24124.69 |
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那就是他有沒有定期去做檢驗 |
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24124.69 |
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24126.69 |
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那因為本來的舊法 |
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24126.69 |
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24128.69 |
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就是他得去做這件事情 |
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24128.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8600].end |
24130.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8600].text |
那我看到現在修正的方向 |
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24130.69 |
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24133.69 |
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是說好那我們把得改成因對不對 |
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24133.69 |
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24134.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8602].text |
但是把得改成因 |
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24134.69 |
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24135.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8603].text |
在法律上很有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[8604].start |
24135.69 |
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24136.69 |
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他就一定要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[8605].start |
24136.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8605].end |
24138.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[8605].text |
但是他如果不做呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8606].start |
24139.77 |
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24141.77 |
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因為如果他不做的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8607].start |
24141.77 |
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24143.77 |
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我們很少會直接給予這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8608].start |
24143.77 |
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24144.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8608].text |
因為有些中央跟地方分層 |
| transcript.whisperx[8609].start |
24144.77 |
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24145.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8609].text |
你不會說那地方政府不做 |
| transcript.whisperx[8610].start |
24145.77 |
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24146.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8610].text |
所以我們要怎樣 |
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24146.77 |
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24147.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8611].text |
這個很難 |
| transcript.whisperx[8612].start |
24147.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8612].end |
24148.77 |
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所以就變成說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8613].start |
24148.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8613].end |
24151.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8613].text |
我認同就是說我們把得變成因 |
| transcript.whisperx[8614].start |
24151.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8614].end |
24153.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8614].text |
這個是法律上一個重要的宣示 |
| transcript.whisperx[8615].start |
24153.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8615].end |
24155.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8615].text |
但是在實際執行層面上面 |
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24155.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8616].end |
24157.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8616].text |
如果他就是還是不做 |
| transcript.whisperx[8617].start |
24157.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8617].end |
24158.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8617].text |
那我們該怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8618].start |
24160.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8618].end |
24162.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8618].text |
當然這個行政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[8619].start |
24162.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8619].end |
24165.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8619].text |
自然有立法機關的監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[8620].start |
24165.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8620].end |
24167.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8620].text |
我們在法裡面很少 |
| transcript.whisperx[8621].start |
24167.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8621].end |
24170.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8621].text |
我們是明定要去罰這個行政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[8622].start |
24170.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8622].end |
24173.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8622].text |
這個要罰的方式大概是不可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[8623].start |
24173.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8623].end |
24174.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8623].text |
這是不可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[8624].start |
24174.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8624].end |
24175.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8624].text |
沒有辦法直接去 |
| transcript.whisperx[8625].start |
24175.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8625].end |
24177.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8625].text |
跟地方政府說這個要處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[8626].start |
24177.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8626].end |
24178.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8626].text |
那可能就回到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8627].start |
24178.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8627].end |
24179.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8627].text |
比如說好監察機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[8628].start |
24179.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8628].end |
24181.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8628].text |
但我們現在監察機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[8629].start |
24181.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8629].end |
24183.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8629].text |
現在看起來有點不太能運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[8630].start |
24183.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8630].end |
24184.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8630].text |
這會是一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8631].start |
24184.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8631].end |
24186.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8631].text |
那如果說要等到政治的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[8632].start |
24186.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8632].end |
24187.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8632].text |
那又要等 |
| transcript.whisperx[8633].start |
24187.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8633].end |
24189.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8633].text |
這這個責任是幾年的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8634].start |
24189.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8634].end |
24191.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8634].text |
所以我覺得這一個在設計上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8635].start |
24191.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8635].end |
24193.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8635].text |
就是我們當然可以跟大家講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8636].start |
24193.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8636].end |
24195.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8636].text |
我們把得改成因 |
| transcript.whisperx[8637].start |
24195.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8637].end |
24196.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8637].text |
這件事情是重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8638].start |
24196.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8638].end |
24199.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8638].text |
但我覺得可能到最後也要明白的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8639].start |
24199.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8639].end |
24201.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8639].text |
知道說這件事情在實行上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8640].start |
24201.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8640].end |
24203.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8640].text |
其實是有困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[8641].start |
24203.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8641].end |
24204.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8641].text |
那我也有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8642].start |
24204.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8642].end |
24205.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8642].text |
院板有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8643].start |
24205.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8643].end |
24207.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8643].text |
這個我會有點擔心就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8644].start |
24207.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8644].end |
24208.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8644].text |
好那如果今天地方都不做 |
| transcript.whisperx[8645].start |
24208.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8645].end |
24209.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8645].text |
反正我們中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[8646].start |
24209.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8646].end |
24211.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8646].text |
開始成立一個任務的小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[8647].start |
24211.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8647].end |
24212.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8647].text |
然後來開始處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[8648].start |
24212.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8648].end |
24213.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8648].text |
這些相關的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8649].start |
24213.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8649].end |
24215.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8649].text |
這樣這個把權責 |
| transcript.whisperx[8650].start |
24215.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8650].end |
24216.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8650].text |
直接說好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8651].start |
24216.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8651].end |
24217.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8651].text |
那如果你不做 |
| transcript.whisperx[8652].start |
24217.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8652].end |
24218.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8652].text |
那我來弄 |
| transcript.whisperx[8653].start |
24218.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8653].end |
24219.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[8653].text |
我來弄 |
| transcript.whisperx[8654].start |
24219.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8654].end |
24222.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8654].text |
你要確保有這樣的人力跟資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[8655].start |
24222.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8655].end |
24224.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8655].text |
我是怕說人力跟資源不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[8656].start |
24224.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8656].end |
24225.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8656].text |
那這個對方不做 |
| transcript.whisperx[8657].start |
24225.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8657].end |
24226.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8657].text |
那我就來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[8658].start |
24226.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8658].end |
24228.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8658].text |
但是你的人力跟資源不足的狀況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8659].start |
24228.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8659].end |
24230.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8659].text |
你要幫他來做這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[8660].start |
24230.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8660].end |
24232.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8660].text |
這個可能也會有人力跟資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[8661].start |
24232.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8661].end |
24233.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8661].text |
配置上的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8662].start |
24233.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8662].end |
24235.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8662].text |
我覺得這可能要思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8663].start |
24235.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8663].end |
24236.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8663].text |
當然這個在逐條的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8664].start |
24236.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8664].end |
24237.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8664].text |
我覺得可以慢慢來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[8665].start |
24237.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8665].end |
24240.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8665].text |
但我覺得我們先有這樣的一個大方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[8666].start |
24240.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8666].end |
24242.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8666].text |
就是說我們也是要讓大家知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[8667].start |
24242.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8667].end |
24245.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8667].text |
這個食安法上面的宣示確實是重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[8668].start |
24245.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8668].end |
24247.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8668].text |
但是如果他真的不執行的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8669].start |
24247.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8669].end |
24248.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8669].text |
他就是沒有要去檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[8670].start |
24248.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8670].end |
24250.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8670].text |
那我們到底應該要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8671].start |
24250.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8671].end |
24253.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8671].text |
這個其實應該清楚的讓社會大眾知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[8672].start |
24253.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8672].end |
24254.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8672].text |
或者看一下有什麼機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[8673].start |
24254.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8673].end |
24255.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8673].text |
我認為比較好的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[8674].start |
24255.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8674].end |
24256.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8674].text |
反而是一開始講的那一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8675].start |
24256.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8675].end |
24258.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8675].text |
就是讓檢驗的單位變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[8676].start |
24258.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8676].end |
24260.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8676].text |
變成是一個要回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8677].start |
24260.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8677].end |
24261.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8677].text |
他又沒有決定空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[8678].start |
24261.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8678].end |
24262.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8678].text |
他就直接上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[8679].start |
24262.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8679].end |
24263.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8679].text |
那這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8680].start |
24263.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8680].end |
24265.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8680].text |
至少我們能夠資訊的掌握就會更明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[8681].start |
24265.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8681].end |
24267.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8681].text |
我覺得這個反而是一個好的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[8682].start |
24267.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8682].end |
24268.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8682].text |
那其他的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8683].start |
24268.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8683].end |
24270.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8683].text |
我覺得不是要慎重考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[8684].start |
24270.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8684].end |
24272.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8684].text |
而是在修法討論的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[8685].start |
24272.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8685].end |
24273.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8685].text |
民眾必須要知道這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[8686].start |
24273.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8686].end |
24274.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8686].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8687].start |
24274.42 |
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24276.42 |
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很謝謝委員很深入 |
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24276.42 |
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24278.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8688].text |
非常深入又專業給我們的建議 |
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24278.42 |
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24279.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8689].text |
很謝謝您的提醒 |
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24279.42 |
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24280.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8690].text |
謝謝 |
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24280.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8691].end |
24282.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8691].text |
那我就先問到這邊 |
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24282.42 |
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24283.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8692].text |
謝謝主席 |
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24283.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8693].end |
24284.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8693].text |
謝謝部長 |
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24285.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8694].end |
24286.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8694].text |
好 |
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24286.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8695].end |
24287.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8695].text |
謝謝什麼樣的委員 |
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24287.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[8696].end |
24289.77 |
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那接著請楊耀委員 |
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24298.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8697].end |
24299.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8697].text |
謝謝主席 |
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24299.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8698].end |
24300.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[8698].text |
主席請一下時部長 |
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24301.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8699].end |
24302.85 |
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好請時部長 |
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24306.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[8700].end |
24307.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[8700].text |
楊委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8701].start |
24307.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[8701].end |
24308.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[8701].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8702].start |
24308.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[8702].end |
24309.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[8702].text |
部長我其實很無奈 |
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24309.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[8703].end |
24312.27 |
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因為我實在不知道請誰 |
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24313.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8704].end |
24315.46 |
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請誰出來 |
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24316.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8705].end |
24318.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8705].text |
回答我的質詢 |
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24318.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8706].end |
24319.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8706].text |
因為 |
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24319.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8707].end |
24321.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8707].text |
我來立法院以後 |
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24321.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8708].end |
24324.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8708].text |
大概跟你共事了那麼久 |
| transcript.whisperx[8709].start |
24324.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8709].end |
24327.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8709].text |
我很清楚你不是一個 |
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24327.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8710].end |
24330.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8710].text |
會蓋牌斥案當門神的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8711].start |
24330.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8711].end |
24332.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8711].text |
那今天這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8712].start |
24332.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8712].end |
24335.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8712].text |
專題報告的題目 |
| transcript.whisperx[8713].start |
24335.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8713].end |
24339.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8713].text |
其實我讓你上來回答問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8714].start |
24339.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8714].end |
24341.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8714].text |
我覺得對你很不禮貌 |
| transcript.whisperx[8715].start |
24341.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8715].end |
24342.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8715].text |
不會 |
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24342.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8716].end |
24343.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8716].text |
很謝謝委員的肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[8717].start |
24343.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8717].end |
24344.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8717].text |
不過 |
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24344.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8718].end |
24347.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8718].text |
我講實話的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8719].start |
24347.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8719].end |
24348.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8719].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8720].start |
24348.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8720].end |
24351.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8720].text |
不過不找你好像也不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[8721].start |
24351.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8721].end |
24353.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8721].text |
因為剛剛我的助理 |
| transcript.whisperx[8722].start |
24353.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8722].end |
24355.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8722].text |
跟我講了說 |
| transcript.whisperx[8723].start |
24355.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8723].end |
24359.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8723].text |
盧學院市長已經認證了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8724].start |
24359.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8724].end |
24360.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[8724].text |
江志康署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8725].start |
24361.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8725].end |
24362.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8725].text |
不是門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[8726].start |
24364.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8726].end |
24367.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8726].text |
就是今天的題目 |
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24367.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8727].end |
24369.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8727].text |
我其實看到題目的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8728].start |
24369.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8728].end |
24372.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8728].text |
我就有一點想放棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[8729].start |
24372.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8729].end |
24373.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8729].text |
這一次的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8730].start |
24373.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8730].end |
24375.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8730].text |
因為對你們很不禮貌 |
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24375.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8731].end |
24377.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8731].text |
不過我既然來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8732].start |
24377.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8732].end |
24379.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8732].text |
我們還是探討一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8733].start |
24379.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8733].end |
24380.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8733].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8734].start |
24380.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8734].end |
24383.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8734].text |
部長你很詳細的講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8735].start |
24383.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8735].end |
24386.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[8735].text |
就是你 |
| transcript.whisperx[8736].start |
24386.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[8736].end |
24388.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[8736].text |
你認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[8737].start |
24388.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8737].end |
24389.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[8737].text |
A |
| transcript.whisperx[8738].start |
24390.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[8738].end |
24391.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[8738].text |
太糖 |
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24391.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8739].end |
24392.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8739].text |
在發現了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[8740].start |
24392.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8740].end |
24394.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8740].text |
在發現原料有問題了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[8741].start |
24394.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8741].end |
24396.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8741].text |
沒有通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[8742].start |
24396.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8742].end |
24401.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[8742].text |
你嘗試著簡單二要的講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8743].start |
24403.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8743].end |
24404.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[8743].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8744].start |
24404.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8744].end |
24407.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8744].text |
大家對於這個太糖的期望 |
| transcript.whisperx[8745].start |
24407.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8745].end |
24410.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8745].text |
讓他做更多一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[8746].start |
24410.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8746].end |
24413.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8746].text |
更多一點這個做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8747].start |
24413.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8747].end |
24414.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8747].text |
多做一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[8748].start |
24414.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8748].end |
24418.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8748].text |
我想這些大家都是期待的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8749].start |
24418.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8749].end |
24419.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[8749].text |
這個我也認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[8750].start |
24419.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8750].end |
24422.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8750].text |
但是依法論法要處分的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8751].start |
24422.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8751].end |
24425.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8751].text |
我們還是要回到法律的授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[8752].start |
24425.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8752].end |
24426.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8752].text |
法律的明確原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[8753].start |
24426.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8753].end |
24427.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8753].text |
我第一次就講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8754].start |
24427.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8754].end |
24430.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8754].text |
法律有規定義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[8755].start |
24430.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8755].end |
24432.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8755].text |
還有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[8756].start |
24432.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8756].end |
24433.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8756].text |
假如沒有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8757].start |
24433.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8757].end |
24438.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8757].text |
就是我們叫做急功耗益 |
| transcript.whisperx[8758].start |
24438.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8758].end |
24440.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8758].text |
這個是額外的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[8759].start |
24440.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8759].end |
24441.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8759].text |
我們現在是在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[8760].start |
24441.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8760].end |
24443.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8760].text |
他有沒有在法律上 |
| transcript.whisperx[8761].start |
24443.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8761].end |
24445.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8761].text |
他應不應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[8762].start |
24445.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8762].end |
24448.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8762].text |
有沒有負擔通報的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[8763].start |
24448.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8763].end |
24449.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8763].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8764].start |
24449.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8764].end |
24451.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8764].text |
所以我們回到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8765].start |
24451.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8765].end |
24453.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8765].text |
這個太糖的這一批貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[8766].start |
24453.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8766].end |
24455.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8766].text |
中聯的這個311油槽 |
| transcript.whisperx[8767].start |
24455.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8767].end |
24457.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8767].text |
他是脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[8768].start |
24457.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8768].end |
24459.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8768].text |
那麼我們法律上有訂出 |
| transcript.whisperx[8769].start |
24459.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8769].end |
24461.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8769].text |
這個衛生安全標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8770].start |
24461.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8770].end |
24463.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8770].text |
指的是實用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[8771].start |
24463.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8771].end |
24466.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8771].text |
最終那個產品的2.0PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[8772].start |
24466.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8772].end |
24468.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8772].text |
我們是訂這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8773].start |
24468.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8773].end |
24471.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8773].text |
所以我們並沒有去訂脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[8774].start |
24471.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8774].end |
24472.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8774].text |
或者是黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[8775].start |
24472.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8775].end |
24474.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8775].text |
他的食品安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[8776].start |
24474.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8776].end |
24475.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8776].text |
沒有訂這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8777].start |
24475.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8777].end |
24477.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8777].text |
所以當然就太糖而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[8778].start |
24477.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8778].end |
24479.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8778].text |
他拿的是脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[8779].start |
24479.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8779].end |
24482.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8779].text |
雖然他的這個驗收標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[8780].start |
24482.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8780].end |
24483.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8780].text |
他無法通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[8781].start |
24483.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8781].end |
24486.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8781].text |
但是不等於我們現在所公佈的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8782].start |
24486.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8782].end |
24489.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8782].text |
食品油脂他超標的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8783].start |
24489.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8783].end |
24490.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8783].text |
這個是不相等 |
| transcript.whisperx[8784].start |
24490.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8784].end |
24492.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8784].text |
所以從法律義務上來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[8785].start |
24492.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8785].end |
24495.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8785].text |
他當然是沒有這個通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[8786].start |
24495.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8786].end |
24496.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8786].text |
所以這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8787].start |
24496.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8787].end |
24498.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8787].text |
我想是很清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8788].start |
24498.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8788].end |
24499.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8788].text |
但是大家希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[8789].start |
24499.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8789].end |
24501.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8789].text |
食安大家共同把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[8790].start |
24501.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8790].end |
24502.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8790].text |
人人有責 |
| transcript.whisperx[8791].start |
24502.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8791].end |
24504.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8791].text |
大家都來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8792].start |
24504.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8792].end |
24505.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8792].text |
這個我們絕對是鼓勵的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8793].start |
24505.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8793].end |
24506.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8793].text |
對啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8794].start |
24506.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8794].end |
24508.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8794].text |
就是單純的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[8795].start |
24508.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8795].end |
24512.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8795].text |
跟法律刻意的義務是兩件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[8796].start |
24512.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8796].end |
24514.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8796].text |
我們當然也希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[8797].start |
24514.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8797].end |
24515.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8797].text |
不只台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[8798].start |
24515.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8798].end |
24518.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8798].text |
任何公司甚至於一般的民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[8799].start |
24518.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8799].end |
24521.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8799].text |
知道了以後就通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8800].start |
24521.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8800].end |
24526.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8800].text |
只是說這個不應該當作責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[8801].start |
24526.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8801].end |
24531.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8801].text |
然後把它引爆成一個政治的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8802].start |
24531.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8802].end |
24534.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8802].text |
我覺得要我講 |
| transcript.whisperx[8803].start |
24534.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8803].end |
24536.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8803].text |
要我講我就是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[8804].start |
24536.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8804].end |
24538.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8804].text |
食安法該修 |
| transcript.whisperx[8805].start |
24538.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8805].end |
24540.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8805].text |
我們趕快來修啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8806].start |
24540.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8806].end |
24545.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8806].text |
那討論這個案子討論太久了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8807].start |
24548.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[8807].end |
24550.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[8807].text |
應不應該再 |
| transcript.whisperx[8808].start |
24550.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8808].end |
24552.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8808].text |
我說真的就是說衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[8809].start |
24553.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8809].end |
24556.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8809].text |
管得就已經夠多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8810].start |
24556.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8810].end |
24557.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8810].text |
食藥署管得 |
| transcript.whisperx[8811].start |
24558.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[8811].end |
24559.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[8811].text |
也很多啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8812].start |
24560.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8812].end |
24563.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8812].text |
從藥品到化妝品到 |
| transcript.whisperx[8813].start |
24563.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8813].end |
24565.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8813].text |
柴米油鹽可能柴沒有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8814].start |
24565.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8814].end |
24568.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8814].text |
醬醋茶都歸你們啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8815].start |
24568.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8815].end |
24571.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8815].text |
肉製品也歸你們啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8816].start |
24571.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8816].end |
24576.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8816].text |
有沒有那麼多的人力跟財力 |
| transcript.whisperx[8817].start |
24576.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8817].end |
24578.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8817].text |
可以去支應 |
| transcript.whisperx[8818].start |
24578.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8818].end |
24579.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8818].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[8819].start |
24579.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8819].end |
24581.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8819].text |
少部分人的期待啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8820].start |
24581.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8820].end |
24583.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8820].text |
我為什麼說少部分人的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[8821].start |
24583.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8821].end |
24584.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8821].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[8822].start |
24585.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[8822].end |
24589.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[8822].text |
我自己的觀察可能彭無比較偏遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[8823].start |
24589.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[8823].end |
24592.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[8823].text |
我說真的我在這段時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[8824].start |
24592.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[8824].end |
24595.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[8824].text |
在彭無並沒有很多民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[8825].start |
24595.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[8825].end |
24598.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[8825].text |
跟我反應到有此的問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8826].start |
24599.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8826].end |
24601.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8826].text |
因為我們很快就讓他下架了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8827].start |
24601.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8827].end |
24603.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8827].text |
我們在7月2號就發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[8828].start |
24603.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8828].end |
24605.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8828].text |
7月3號那個油品就下架了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8829].start |
24605.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8829].end |
24607.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8829].text |
然後到7月9號還擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[8830].start |
24607.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8830].end |
24609.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8830].text |
全面4到6月都下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[8831].start |
24609.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8831].end |
24612.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8831].text |
所以安全的用油是我們的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[8832].start |
24612.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8832].end |
24613.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8832].text |
這個絕對沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8833].start |
24613.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8833].end |
24615.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8833].text |
這個就我講的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8834].start |
24615.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8834].end |
24619.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8834].text |
就現在的食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[8835].start |
24619.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8835].end |
24624.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8835].text |
並沒有課與中央直接查場的義務嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8836].start |
24624.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8836].end |
24626.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8836].text |
你們只有成立專案嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8837].start |
24626.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8837].end |
24628.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8837].text |
現在目前對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8838].start |
24628.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8838].end |
24631.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8838].text |
查場的直接是在41條的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[8839].start |
24631.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8839].end |
24632.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8839].text |
這是地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[8840].start |
24632.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8840].end |
24635.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8840].text |
那必要的時候中央當然也可以來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[8841].start |
24635.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8841].end |
24637.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8841].text |
那必要也都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8842].start |
24637.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8842].end |
24638.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8842].text |
所謂的必要坦白講啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8843].start |
24638.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8843].end |
24641.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8843].text |
就是風暴產生以後才會有必要啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8844].start |
24641.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8844].end |
24643.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8844].text |
要不然你們也不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[8845].start |
24643.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8845].end |
24646.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8845].text |
你們沒有那麼多的人力跟資源可以去 |
| transcript.whisperx[8846].start |
24646.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8846].end |
24647.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8846].text |
查場在地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[8847].start |
24647.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8847].end |
24648.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8847].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8848].start |
24648.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8848].end |
24650.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8848].text |
查場的責任在地方嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8849].start |
24650.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8849].end |
24652.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8849].text |
那有關中央的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[8850].start |
24652.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8850].end |
24654.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8850].text |
就是第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[8851].start |
24654.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8851].end |
24656.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8851].text |
應該下架的也都下架完了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8852].start |
24656.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8852].end |
24658.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8852].text |
那我從第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[8853].start |
24658.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8853].end |
24661.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8853].text |
這個專題你討論好幾次了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8854].start |
24661.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8854].end |
24663.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8854].text |
我從第一次就講 |
| transcript.whisperx[8855].start |
24663.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8855].end |
24666.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[8855].text |
就是該修法就趕快修嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8856].start |
24669.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8856].end |
24676.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[8856].text |
立法院覺得必須要課與衛福部跟食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[8857].start |
24676.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8857].end |
24678.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8857].text |
很大的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[8858].start |
24678.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8858].end |
24679.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8858].text |
查場義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[8859].start |
24679.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8859].end |
24680.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8859].text |
那也可以討論嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8860].start |
24680.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8860].end |
24684.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[8860].text |
那相對應的人力跟經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[8861].start |
24685.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8861].end |
24688.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8861].text |
大家必須要共同來支持嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8862].start |
24688.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8862].end |
24690.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8862].text |
就只有這樣子嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8863].start |
24690.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8863].end |
24693.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8863].text |
我一直覺得把 |
| transcript.whisperx[8864].start |
24695.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8864].end |
24697.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8864].text |
把一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8865].start |
24697.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8865].end |
24698.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8865].text |
把民生問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8866].start |
24698.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8866].end |
24700.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8866].text |
當作政治問題來炒作 |
| transcript.whisperx[8867].start |
24700.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8867].end |
24703.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8867].text |
其實我不大喜歡啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8868].start |
24703.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8868].end |
24705.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8868].text |
我真的不大喜歡啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8869].start |
24705.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8869].end |
24708.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8869].text |
我覺得我們浪費太多時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[8870].start |
24708.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8870].end |
24710.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[8870].text |
在討論這個議題上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8871].start |
24711.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8871].end |
24716.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8871].text |
而且可能跟真正的民意有一點脫鉤啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8872].start |
24716.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8872].end |
24718.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8872].text |
就是像部長剛剛回答的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8873].start |
24718.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8873].end |
24719.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8873].text |
民意 |
| transcript.whisperx[8874].start |
24720.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[8874].end |
24721.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[8874].text |
民意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8875].start |
24725.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8875].end |
24726.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8875].text |
基層的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[8876].start |
24726.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8876].end |
24729.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8876].text |
可能在我們下架完成的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8877].start |
24730.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[8877].end |
24732.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[8877].text |
就結束了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8878].start |
24732.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8878].end |
24735.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8878].text |
那接下來我們行政跟立法部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[8879].start |
24735.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8879].end |
24736.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8879].text |
應該做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8880].start |
24736.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8880].end |
24738.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8880].text |
就是好好的坐下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8881].start |
24738.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8881].end |
24740.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8881].text |
趕快修法啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8882].start |
24740.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8882].end |
24742.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8882].text |
這個防止下一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[8883].start |
24742.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8883].end |
24746.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8883].text |
不幸事件的產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[8884].start |
24746.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8884].end |
24748.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8884].text |
這個才是更重要的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8885].start |
24748.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8885].end |
24750.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[8885].text |
那我剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8886].start |
24752.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8886].end |
24755.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8886].text |
聽沈柏楊委員在問啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8887].start |
24755.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8887].end |
24757.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8887].text |
我還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[8888].start |
24757.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8888].end |
24760.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[8888].text |
我簡單問一個修法的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8889].start |
24760.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8889].end |
24761.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[8889].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8890].start |
24763.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8890].end |
24765.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[8890].text |
通報的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[8891].start |
24766.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[8891].end |
24767.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[8891].text |
的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[8892].start |
24767.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[8892].end |
24769.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[8892].text |
我們在修法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8893].start |
24769.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8893].end |
24771.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8893].text |
院板已經提出了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8894].start |
24771.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8894].end |
24773.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8894].text |
有沒有擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[8895].start |
24773.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8895].end |
24774.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8895].text |
擴大賦予 |
| transcript.whisperx[8896].start |
24774.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8896].end |
24776.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8896].text |
哪一些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8897].start |
24776.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8897].end |
24778.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8897].text |
那個通報的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[8898].start |
24778.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8898].end |
24781.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8898].text |
除了現有的食品業者之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[8899].start |
24781.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8899].end |
24783.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8899].text |
我們擴大到檢驗單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[8900].start |
24783.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8900].end |
24784.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8900].text |
檢驗單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[8901].start |
24784.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8901].end |
24786.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8901].text |
我第一次質詢就講了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8902].start |
24786.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8902].end |
24791.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8902].text |
那第三個就是HACCP的認證單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[8903].start |
24791.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8903].end |
24793.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8903].text |
他也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8904].start |
24793.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8904].end |
24794.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8904].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8905].start |
24794.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8905].end |
24795.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8905].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8906].start |
24795.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8906].end |
24796.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8906].text |
等於二級評管的也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8907].start |
24796.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8907].end |
24799.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8907].text |
我們一級評管是他的自驗嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8908].start |
24799.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8908].end |
24800.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8908].text |
就廠商的自驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[8909].start |
24800.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8909].end |
24802.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8909].text |
所以他自設的實驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[8910].start |
24802.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8910].end |
24804.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8910].text |
以後也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8911].start |
24804.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8911].end |
24807.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8911].text |
不只是第二級評管的外部實驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[8912].start |
24807.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8912].end |
24810.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8912].text |
那二級評管有外部的認證單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[8913].start |
24810.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8913].end |
24812.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8913].text |
去查核HACCP的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8914].start |
24812.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8914].end |
24814.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8914].text |
他發現異常也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8915].start |
24814.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8915].end |
24815.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8915].text |
他檢驗也要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8916].start |
24815.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8916].end |
24818.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8916].text |
所以我們把通報的對象都擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[8917].start |
24818.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8917].end |
24821.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8917].text |
就是通報的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[8918].start |
24821.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8918].end |
24823.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8918].text |
要怎麼簡化精準 |
| transcript.whisperx[8919].start |
24823.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8919].end |
24825.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8919].text |
要不然應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8920].start |
24825.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8920].end |
24826.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8920].text |
只要有檢驗了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8921].start |
24826.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8921].end |
24827.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8921].text |
其實通報一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8922].start |
24827.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8922].end |
24831.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8922].text |
現在的進展處理其實也不難啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8923].start |
24831.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8923].end |
24835.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8923].text |
那有通報就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[8924].start |
24835.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8924].end |
24837.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8924].text |
我們可以更早預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[8925].start |
24837.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8925].end |
24839.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8925].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8926].start |
24839.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8926].end |
24841.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8926].text |
好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8927].start |
24841.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8927].end |
24843.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8927].text |
還是要跟兩位致歉啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[8928].start |
24843.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8928].end |
24845.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8928].text |
因為我覺得今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[8929].start |
24845.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8929].end |
24848.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8929].text |
今天確實是不應該請你們上台的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8930].start |
24848.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8930].end |
24850.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8930].text |
謝謝委員的指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[8931].start |
24850.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8931].end |
24851.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8931].text |
在未來修法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8932].start |
24851.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8932].end |
24853.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8932].text |
我來請您多多指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[8933].start |
24853.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8933].end |
24855.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8933].text |
大家一起努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[8934].start |
24855.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8934].end |
24858.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8934].text |
我想食安大家都很重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[8935].start |
24858.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8935].end |
24864.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8935].text |
並不代表大家對政治議題很重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[8936].start |
24864.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8936].end |
24865.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[8936].text |
這是兩回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[8937].start |
24867.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[8937].end |
24869.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[8937].text |
我剛剛講的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[8938].start |
24869.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[8938].end |
24872.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[8938].text |
把食安問題當成政治問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8939].start |
24872.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[8939].end |
24874.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[8939].text |
這個本身就是一種錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[8940].start |
24874.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[8940].end |
24876.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[8940].text |
好謝謝部長謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[8941].start |
24876.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[8941].end |
24877.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[8941].text |
謝謝謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[8942].start |
24877.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[8942].end |
24879.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[8942].text |
好謝謝楊二委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[8943].start |
24881.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8943].end |
24884.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8943].text |
接著請劉建國委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[8944].start |
24894.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8944].end |
24895.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8944].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[8945].start |
24895.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8945].end |
24896.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8945].text |
有請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8946].start |
24896.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8946].end |
24897.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[8946].text |
好請食部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8947].start |
24901.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8947].end |
24902.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8947].text |
立委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8948].start |
24902.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8948].end |
24903.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8948].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8949].start |
24903.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8949].end |
24907.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8949].text |
我要來釐清這個中聯問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8950].start |
24907.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8950].end |
24909.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8950].text |
遊品的這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[8951].start |
24909.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8951].end |
24911.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8951].text |
你看這個時序看這樣對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8952].start |
24911.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8952].end |
24912.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8952].text |
然後再跟你double check一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[8953].start |
24912.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8953].end |
24915.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8953].text |
5月4號台黨知道中聯遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[8954].start |
24915.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8954].end |
24917.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8954].text |
這個本匾比超標嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8955].start |
24917.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8955].end |
24920.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8955].text |
然後再來5月18號是台黨拒收 |
| transcript.whisperx[8956].start |
24920.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8956].end |
24921.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[8956].text |
這該批的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[8957].start |
24922.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8957].end |
24925.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8957].text |
6月4號藍橋遊子自行送驗使發現異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[8958].start |
24925.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8958].end |
24929.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8958].text |
10號藍橋遊子通知上友廠商扶壽公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[8959].start |
24929.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8959].end |
24933.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8959].text |
30號中聯遊子正式向食藥署通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[8960].start |
24933.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8960].end |
24934.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[8960].text |
這這樣的時序對嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8961].start |
24935.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8961].end |
24937.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8961].text |
不對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8962].start |
24937.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8962].end |
24940.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8962].text |
那個更早是藍橋在5月13號 |
| transcript.whisperx[8963].start |
24940.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8963].end |
24946.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8963].text |
他就已經驗出他自驗的第一個這個遊品超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[8964].start |
24946.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8964].end |
24947.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8964].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[8965].start |
24947.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8965].end |
24948.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8965].text |
這是5月13號 |
| transcript.whisperx[8966].start |
24948.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8966].end |
24953.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8966].text |
就是我們第一批這個要求下架的那一批是他驗出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8967].start |
24953.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8967].end |
24954.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8967].text |
5月13號 |
| transcript.whisperx[8968].start |
24954.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8968].end |
24955.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8968].text |
好OK |
| transcript.whisperx[8969].start |
24955.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8969].end |
24956.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[8969].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[8970].start |
24957.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8970].end |
24959.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8970].text |
那5月15號驗的又不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[8971].start |
24959.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8971].end |
24961.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8971].text |
他那個是脫膠原油 |
| transcript.whisperx[8972].start |
24961.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8972].end |
24964.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8972].text |
並不是他沒有批號的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8973].start |
24964.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8973].end |
24967.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8973].text |
5月13號藍橋驗的那個是有批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[8974].start |
24967.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8974].end |
24971.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8974].text |
那個是0404的那個批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[8975].start |
24971.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8975].end |
24972.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8975].text |
0404嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8976].start |
24972.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8976].end |
24976.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[8976].text |
對就是4月的那個遊品 |
| transcript.whisperx[8977].start |
24977.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[8977].end |
24979.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[8977].text |
好沒關係我大致上這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[8978].start |
24979.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[8978].end |
24983.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[8978].text |
就承認部長剛剛有更正我們再來做一個修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[8979].start |
24983.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[8979].end |
24984.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[8979].text |
那我是透過媒體的報導裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8980].start |
24985.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8980].end |
24986.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8980].text |
應該就可以去斷定嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8981].start |
24986.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8981].end |
24991.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8981].text |
中年他最少在10月份就知道他的油應該是有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8982].start |
24991.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8982].end |
24993.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8982].text |
4月就應該知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8983].start |
24994.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8983].end |
24996.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[8983].text |
所以我在提供這個時序的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[8984].start |
24996.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8984].end |
24997.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8984].text |
又可以發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[8985].start |
24997.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8985].end |
24998.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8985].text |
他5月就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[8986].start |
24998.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8986].end |
24999.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[8986].text |
最慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[8987].start |
25001.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8987].end |
25003.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[8987].text |
應該最早是5月前 |
| transcript.whisperx[8988].start |
25003.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8988].end |
25005.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8988].text |
最慢就是5月中年自己知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[8989].start |
25005.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8989].end |
25007.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8989].text |
他的油是有狀況的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8990].start |
25007.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8990].end |
25009.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[8990].text |
對因為這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[8991].start |
25009.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8991].end |
25010.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8991].text |
據我們現在的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[8992].start |
25010.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8992].end |
25017.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8992].text |
5月15號台糖去送驗出這一個槽裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[8993].start |
25017.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8993].end |
25019.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8993].text |
他的這個VAP值之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[8994].start |
25019.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8994].end |
25021.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8994].text |
中年有自己再驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[8995].start |
25021.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8995].end |
25024.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8995].text |
所以他這一批就停在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[8996].start |
25024.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8996].end |
25025.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8996].text |
就沒有再繼續做 |
| transcript.whisperx[8997].start |
25025.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8997].end |
25027.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8997].text |
不過當時候他就應該了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[8998].start |
25027.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8998].end |
25030.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8998].text |
他的整個製程或者是顏料上 |
| transcript.whisperx[8999].start |
25030.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8999].end |
25033.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[8999].text |
他就應該回頭去做一些處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9000].start |
25033.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9000].end |
25034.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9000].text |
那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[9001].start |
25035.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[9001].end |
25038.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[9001].text |
這個更謹慎的他後面的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[9002].start |
25038.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[9002].end |
25040.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[9002].text |
後續因為他還有很多批要出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[9003].start |
25040.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[9003].end |
25042.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[9003].text |
就應該要開始逐批檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[9004].start |
25044.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9004].end |
25046.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9004].text |
他要賣貨給人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[9005].start |
25046.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9005].end |
25047.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9005].text |
對方拒絕他 |
| transcript.whisperx[9006].start |
25047.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9006].end |
25048.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9006].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9007].start |
25048.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9007].end |
25050.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9007].text |
所以他應該也要給 |
| transcript.whisperx[9008].start |
25051.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[9008].end |
25053.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[9008].text |
給台糖一個收穫才對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9009].start |
25053.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[9009].end |
25055.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[9009].text |
應該是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9010].start |
25056.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9010].end |
25057.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9010].text |
應該是沒有收 |
| transcript.whisperx[9011].start |
25059.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9011].end |
25060.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9011].text |
最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[9012].start |
25061.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[9012].end |
25063.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[9012].text |
怎麼說就是他沒有去 |
| transcript.whisperx[9013].start |
25065.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9013].end |
25068.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9013].text |
中原是不是到底怎麼去跟台糖講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9014].start |
25068.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9014].end |
25070.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9014].text |
總是有個說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9015].start |
25070.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9015].end |
25072.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9015].text |
這個說法到底怎麼樣我們不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[9016].start |
25073.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9016].end |
25076.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9016].text |
不過當拒絕跟他購買這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[9017].start |
25077.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9017].end |
25079.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9017].text |
這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[9018].start |
25079.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9018].end |
25081.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9018].text |
這些原料的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9019].start |
25083.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[9019].end |
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我在想說這個事情怎麼會到現在才 |
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實際上出來 |
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這是一件事情 |
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那第二件事情 |
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也就是不管 |
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不管4月中年自己知不知道 |
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到5月中他就必須知道 |
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而且他的油品已經被退貨 |
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有問題的部分 |
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不然6月12日也知道 |
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結果拖到6月30日才主動通報 |
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這個中間中原到底要幹什麼 |
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滿天過海企圖在下面證據 |
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這不可能啊 |
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也不可能嘛對不對 |
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不過我今天要突顯這個問題是要跟部長講說 |
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從這個時間表來看 |
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我覺得人性不可信 |
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人性不可信 |
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依食安法的規定 |
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台糖購買中聯的半成品不需通報 |
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所以台糖沒有通報 |
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但依食安法的規定 |
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應該主動通報的藍僑也沒有通報 |
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那為什麼 |
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因為藍僑拿到的是 |
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已經是油品了 |
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他已經是食用油品了 |
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那麼台糖去驗的這個叫脫膠原油 |
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脫膠原油 |
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他並不是油品 |
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那我們現在訂的扁平比標準指的就是 |
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食用油脂的這個油品的標準 |
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不是那個脫膠原油的標準 |
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部長我是想用另外一個層次去看待這個事情 |
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就是說 |
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不管台糖不管藍僑 |
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他們全部都是生命上往來的夥伴 |
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沒有錯 |
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也因為這樣 |
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台糖藍僑胡壽胡貌中聯 |
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不管是生意往來或是子母公司的關係鏈 |
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所以你要這些業者互相把關主動監督 |
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那又是在挑戰人性 |
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對 |
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所以我們未來修法上就是希望 |
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因為他都是送外驗 |
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這個第三個檢驗單位 |
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所以檢驗單位加上他可以通報 |
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那我們就可以提早有預警 |
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那甚至在報的部分的這個檢驗的結果 |
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我們也可以來討論 |
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更往前一點一些重要的節點上 |
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就把這個資料傳到這個主管機關來 |
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我們就可以更早有這個風險的預警 |
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所以說真的是沒有人可以保證 |
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以後絕對不會再有下游業者發生問題 |
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那上游製造業者用商業的壓力 |
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人情壓力等各種方式 |
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讓下游的業者不要去做通報 |
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這可能會再發生 |
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然後所以法律的修訂 |
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法律的制定不能去挑戰人性 |
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實在就是如此 |
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我想就是必須要有堅強的外部監制 |
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這樣的一個制度存在 |
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對不對 |
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所以我在我想本席在這次的宣傳裡面 |
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提案特別要求要增加公衛師食品技師 |
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在食品檢驗上的職能 |
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透過他們的監督才能落實這個食安的檢查 |
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我想是這個樣子 |
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所以不只是增加外部的稽查 |
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政府的查採也是非常重要 |
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就像台南市他可以擴大 |
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抽驗23件流品 |
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現在又發現3件的苦茶油 |
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當中這本扁比又是超標 |
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NO |
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為什麼現在才發現 |
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這是顯然過去地方單位在抽驗上 |
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還是都有些問題的存在 |
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還是都有些問題的存在 |
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所以今天原本要修 |
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現在又拖到現在 |
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所以如果根據三法第七條 |
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授權應訂定食品安全監測計畫 |
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與應辦理檢驗之食品業者 |
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最低檢驗週期及其他相關事項 |
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這個部分 |
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我也不會打算什麼時候修 |
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現在已經在進行修正 |
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我們會把它用成一個辦法 |
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然後去訂出不同的檢驗頻率 |
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上下層 |
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如果是最上層以中聯為例 |
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中聯這個都會要求他 |
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逐批檢驗 |
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然後下面第二層的 |
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這個泰山福壽的話 |
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就是暗劑檢驗 |
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我們就會提高他的檢驗的頻率了 |
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但是這個其他的事項基本上 |
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有需要我們再修十萬法過測 |
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這個不要 |
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這個授權我們就會 |
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所以這個應該就可以 |
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可以馬上來找手 |
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25334.99 |
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來做一些調整對不對 |
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因為目前辦法中明訂 |
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25336.99 |
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25338.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9129].text |
資本的三千萬以上的 |
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25338.99 |
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25340.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9130].text |
使用由此製造工廠 |
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25340.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9131].end |
25342.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9131].text |
及辦理商業登記公司登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[9132].start |
25342.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9132].end |
25344.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9132].text |
每半年或每批檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[9133].start |
25344.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9133].end |
25345.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9133].text |
至少一次對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9134].start |
25345.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9134].end |
25347.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9134].text |
然後事實上天安政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[9135].start |
25347.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9135].end |
25350.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9135].text |
也沒有照衛福部食藥署這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[9136].start |
25350.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9136].end |
25352.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9136].text |
每半年或每批抽 |
| transcript.whisperx[9137].start |
25352.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9137].end |
25355.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9137].text |
才導致今天中聯這個問題有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9138].start |
25355.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9138].end |
25358.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9138].text |
甚至於股差有多出現本便比 |
| transcript.whisperx[9139].start |
25358.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9139].end |
25359.99 |
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應該是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9140].start |
25359.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9140].end |
25362.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9140].text |
所以如果依照這個抽驗標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[9141].start |
25362.99 |
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25365.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9141].text |
應該就是趕快來修 |
| transcript.whisperx[9142].start |
25365.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9142].end |
25367.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9142].text |
全面提高抽驗的一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[9143].start |
25367.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9143].end |
25368.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[9143].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9144].start |
25370.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9144].end |
25372.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9144].text |
所以食安不能等啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[9145].start |
25372.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9145].end |
25373.18 |
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那食安防 |
| transcript.whisperx[9146].start |
25373.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9146].end |
25374.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9146].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[9147].start |
25374.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9147].end |
25376.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9147].text |
我們現在其他這個大豆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9148].start |
25376.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9148].end |
25379.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9148].text |
另外這個最上游的這三家 |
| transcript.whisperx[9149].start |
25379.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9149].end |
25382.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9149].text |
包含台糖、大統一還有常輝 |
| transcript.whisperx[9150].start |
25382.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9150].end |
25384.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9150].text |
都已經要求足批檢驗了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9151].start |
25384.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9151].end |
25385.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9151].text |
現在已經在做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9152].start |
25385.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9152].end |
25387.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9152].text |
已經要求他們足批檢驗了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9153].start |
25387.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9153].end |
25389.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9153].text |
我想食安法送到立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[9154].start |
25389.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9154].end |
25391.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9154].text |
一定會用最快速度來修 |
| transcript.whisperx[9155].start |
25391.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9155].end |
25393.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9155].text |
不過像今天這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9156].start |
25393.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9156].end |
25395.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9156].text |
委員本來要審查現在排專報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9157].start |
25395.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9157].end |
25397.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9157].text |
那可能今天就可能啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9158].start |
25397.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9158].end |
25399.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9158].text |
今天就會來不及處理嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9159].start |
25399.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9159].end |
25400.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9159].text |
所以我才會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9160].start |
25400.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9160].end |
25403.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9160].text |
這個標準啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9161].start |
25403.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9161].end |
25404.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9161].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9162].start |
25405.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9162].end |
25407.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9162].text |
是不是應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[9163].start |
25407.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9163].end |
25408.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9163].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9164].start |
25408.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9164].end |
25409.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9164].text |
因為這三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9165].start |
25409.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9165].end |
25411.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9165].text |
我們小館的相關的報告標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[9166].start |
25411.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9166].end |
25412.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9166].text |
就先行 |
| transcript.whisperx[9167].start |
25412.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9167].end |
25413.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9167].text |
不要等到食安法過後 |
| transcript.whisperx[9168].start |
25413.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9168].end |
25414.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9168].text |
再來慢慢修嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9169].start |
25414.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9169].end |
25415.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9169].text |
部長可以認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9170].start |
25415.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9170].end |
25416.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9170].text |
可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[9171].start |
25416.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9171].end |
25418.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9171].text |
這個多久可以提出最新的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[9172].start |
25418.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9172].end |
25419.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9172].text |
來進行公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[9173].start |
25419.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9173].end |
25421.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9173].text |
因為我們現在已經要求業者做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9174].start |
25421.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9174].end |
25423.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9174].text |
但是我們這個還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[9175].start |
25423.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9175].end |
25425.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9175].text |
按照這個法規預告的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[9176].start |
25425.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9176].end |
25427.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9176].text |
我們在應該可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[9177].start |
25427.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9177].end |
25429.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9177].text |
近期就提出預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[9178].start |
25429.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9178].end |
25431.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9178].text |
因為我們大概已經修好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9179].start |
25431.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9179].end |
25433.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9179].text |
你的近期是多近期 |
| transcript.whisperx[9180].start |
25433.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9180].end |
25434.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9180].text |
明天 |
| transcript.whisperx[9181].start |
25434.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9181].end |
25436.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9181].text |
下禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[9182].start |
25436.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9182].end |
25438.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9182].text |
下禮拜預告應該是沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9183].start |
25438.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9183].end |
25439.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9183].text |
下禮拜預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[9184].start |
25439.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9184].end |
25440.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9184].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[9185].start |
25440.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9185].end |
25442.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9185].text |
因為我們先修了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9186].start |
25442.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9186].end |
25444.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9186].text |
食安法的草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[9187].start |
25444.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9187].end |
25446.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9187].text |
這個是授權辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9188].start |
25446.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9188].end |
25447.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9188].text |
我們同步在進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[9189].start |
25447.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9189].end |
25449.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9189].text |
所以這個我們內部上已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[9190].start |
25449.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9190].end |
25452.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9190].text |
下週就可以預告了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9191].start |
25452.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9191].end |
25453.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9191].text |
下週就可以預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[9192].start |
25453.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9192].end |
25454.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9192].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[9193].start |
25454.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9193].end |
25455.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9193].text |
好 部長再看 |
| transcript.whisperx[9194].start |
25455.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9194].end |
25457.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9194].text |
還是算先不回去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9195].start |
25457.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9195].end |
25459.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9195].text |
772公民團體到衛福部門口陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[9196].start |
25459.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9196].end |
25461.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[9196].text |
這個部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9197].start |
25461.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[9197].end |
25462.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[9197].text |
有走路了吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[9198].start |
25463.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9198].end |
25465.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9198].text |
年短料推的透明餐桌 |
| transcript.whisperx[9199].start |
25465.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9199].end |
25468.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[9199].text |
年屬 玉修法標示主要原料產地 |
| transcript.whisperx[9200].start |
25469.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9200].end |
25470.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9200].text |
那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9201].start |
25470.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9201].end |
25472.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9201].text |
上下有文化基金會指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[9202].start |
25472.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9202].end |
25474.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9202].text |
現行制度下國外 |
| transcript.whisperx[9203].start |
25474.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9203].end |
25475.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9203].text |
原料經加工後 |
| transcript.whisperx[9204].start |
25475.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9204].end |
25476.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9204].text |
即可標示為台灣製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[9205].start |
25476.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9205].end |
25478.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9205].text |
消費者難以辨識主要原料來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[9206].start |
25478.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9206].end |
25480.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9206].text |
也因此才會發起 |
| transcript.whisperx[9207].start |
25480.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9207].end |
25481.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9207].text |
透明餐桌的連署 |
| transcript.whisperx[9208].start |
25481.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9208].end |
25483.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9208].text |
要求主管機關來修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9209].start |
25483.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9209].end |
25485.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9209].text |
並在政策制定過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[9210].start |
25485.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9210].end |
25487.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9210].text |
落實社會對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9211].start |
25487.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9211].end |
25489.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[9211].text |
提升食品標示的透明度 |
| transcript.whisperx[9212].start |
25490.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9212].end |
25491.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9212].text |
有掌握吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[9213].start |
25492.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9213].end |
25494.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9213].text |
這個我們也有在研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[9214].start |
25494.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9214].end |
25495.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9214].text |
其實跟委員說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9215].start |
25495.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9215].end |
25497.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9215].text |
今年7月1號開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[9216].start |
25497.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9216].end |
25499.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9216].text |
所有的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9217].start |
25499.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9217].end |
25500.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9217].text |
要稱為鮮乳的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9218].start |
25500.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9218].end |
25503.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9218].text |
它一定是要台灣的牛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9219].start |
25503.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9219].end |
25505.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9219].text |
牛奶才可以稱為鮮乳 |
| transcript.whisperx[9220].start |
25505.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9220].end |
25507.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9220].text |
其他都只能外國來的都 |
| transcript.whisperx[9221].start |
25507.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9221].end |
25509.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9221].text |
你到台灣來加工也沒有用 |
| transcript.whisperx[9222].start |
25509.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9222].end |
25510.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9222].text |
都只能稱為牛乳 |
| transcript.whisperx[9223].start |
25510.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9223].end |
25511.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9223].text |
所以有這種區別 |
| transcript.whisperx[9224].start |
25511.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9224].end |
25513.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9224].text |
這個我處理過我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[9225].start |
25513.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9225].end |
25514.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9225].text |
而且那14天內 |
| transcript.whisperx[9226].start |
25514.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9226].end |
25515.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9226].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9227].start |
25515.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9227].end |
25516.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9227].text |
這個也處理很久 |
| transcript.whisperx[9228].start |
25516.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9228].end |
25518.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9228].text |
三個部會說整個部位就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9229].start |
25518.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9229].end |
25519.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9229].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9230].start |
25519.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9230].end |
25521.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9230].text |
所以未來我們也是朝這個方向來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9231].start |
25521.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9231].end |
25524.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9231].text |
凸顯這個在地的食材 |
| transcript.whisperx[9232].start |
25524.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9232].end |
25528.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9232].text |
那麼製造的原料跟它的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[9233].start |
25528.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9233].end |
25529.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9233].text |
對啦所以部長用鮮乳 |
| transcript.whisperx[9234].start |
25529.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9234].end |
25530.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9234].text |
這事情來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[9235].start |
25530.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9235].end |
25532.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9235].text |
我想我在處理過程內 |
| transcript.whisperx[9236].start |
25532.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9236].end |
25533.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9236].text |
我非常清楚啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9237].start |
25533.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9237].end |
25534.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9237].text |
然後用這樣的比喻 |
| transcript.whisperx[9238].start |
25534.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9238].end |
25536.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9238].text |
也很適切啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9239].start |
25536.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9239].end |
25538.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9239].text |
所以其實這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9240].start |
25538.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9240].end |
25540.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9240].text |
很重要的食材問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9241].start |
25540.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9241].end |
25543.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9241].text |
目前法規上不對原料來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[9242].start |
25543.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9242].end |
25544.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9242].text |
只要在台灣加工之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[9243].start |
25544.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9243].end |
25545.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9243].text |
就叫做台灣製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[9244].start |
25546.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9244].end |
25548.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9244].text |
那鮮乳部位就不可能了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9245].start |
25548.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9245].end |
25549.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9245].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9246].start |
25549.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9246].end |
25550.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9246].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9247].start |
25550.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9247].end |
25551.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9247].text |
那對於台灣還有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9248].start |
25551.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9248].end |
25552.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9248].text |
有機也不可能啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[9249].start |
25554.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9249].end |
25557.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9249].text |
那對台灣長期經營的MIT的招牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[9250].start |
25557.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9250].end |
25558.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9250].text |
坦白講 |
| transcript.whisperx[9251].start |
25558.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9251].end |
25559.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9251].text |
如果這個不趕快去修 |
| transcript.whisperx[9252].start |
25559.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9252].end |
25560.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9252].text |
其實對台灣是不好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9253].start |
25560.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9253].end |
25562.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9253].text |
對我們招牌是不好的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9254].start |
25562.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9254].end |
25564.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9254].text |
所以有意要支持台灣本地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9255].start |
25564.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9255].end |
25565.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9255].text |
農產品的民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[9256].start |
25565.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9256].end |
25567.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9256].text |
他也是會非常混淆 |
| transcript.whisperx[9257].start |
25567.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9257].end |
25571.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9257].text |
所以對鮮乳種植的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9258].start |
25571.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9258].end |
25573.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9258].text |
這個原物料的農民來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[9259].start |
25573.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9259].end |
25574.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9259].text |
更是不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[9260].start |
25574.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9260].end |
25575.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9260].text |
我有去盤點啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9261].start |
25575.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9261].end |
25577.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9261].text |
就是諸如澳洲加拿大日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[9262].start |
25577.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9262].end |
25579.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9262].text |
南韓都有相關的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9263].start |
25579.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9263].end |
25580.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9263].text |
甚至於南韓細緻到 |
| transcript.whisperx[9264].start |
25580.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9264].end |
25583.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[9264].text |
你知道前三大原料都要標明原料股 |
| transcript.whisperx[9265].start |
25585.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9265].end |
25586.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9265].text |
這個表格 |
| transcript.whisperx[9266].start |
25586.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9266].end |
25587.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9266].text |
部長簡單看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[9267].start |
25587.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9267].end |
25588.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9267].text |
是個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[9268].start |
25588.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9268].end |
25593.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9268].text |
那本次我們提案的這個版本中 |
| transcript.whisperx[9269].start |
25593.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9269].end |
25594.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9269].text |
第22條 |
| transcript.whisperx[9270].start |
25594.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9270].end |
25596.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9270].text |
就在響應公民團體之之活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[9271].start |
25596.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9271].end |
25598.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9271].text |
要求加工食品應標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[9272].start |
25598.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9272].end |
25601.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9272].text |
其主要食品原料之原產地 |
| transcript.whisperx[9273].start |
25602.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9273].end |
25603.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9273].text |
所以這次修法中 |
| transcript.whisperx[9274].start |
25603.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9274].end |
25605.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9274].text |
我要請部長 署長可以支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[9275].start |
25605.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9275].end |
25606.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9275].text |
也請委員會可以支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[9276].start |
25606.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9276].end |
25608.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9276].text |
我們一同保護MIT的招牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[9277].start |
25608.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9277].end |
25610.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9277].text |
照顧我們本土人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[9278].start |
25610.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9278].end |
25612.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9278].text |
也讓保障消費者執勤的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[9279].start |
25615.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[9279].end |
25616.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[9279].text |
坦白講 |
| transcript.whisperx[9280].start |
25616.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[9280].end |
25618.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[9280].text |
我那天是有跟書上講 |
| transcript.whisperx[9281].start |
25619.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[9281].end |
25621.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[9281].text |
我覺得我們還是要加快腳步 |
| transcript.whisperx[9282].start |
25622.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9282].end |
25624.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9282].text |
不一定要等到我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9283].start |
25624.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9283].end |
25626.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9283].text |
再處理這個修法的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[9284].start |
25626.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9284].end |
25628.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9284].text |
這其實現在是可以做 |
| transcript.whisperx[9285].start |
25628.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9285].end |
25630.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9285].text |
台灣的有據這次要標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[9286].start |
25631.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[9286].end |
25633.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[9286].text |
台灣的有據就要直接標示了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9287].start |
25633.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[9287].end |
25635.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[9287].text |
用標示的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[9288].start |
25638.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9288].end |
25639.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9288].text |
好嗎 時間到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9289].start |
25639.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9289].end |
25640.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9289].text |
你先檢討一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[9290].start |
25640.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9290].end |
25642.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9290].text |
我希望是不是能在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9291].start |
25642.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9291].end |
25643.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9291].text |
那個辦法的修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[9292].start |
25643.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9292].end |
25644.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9292].text |
下禮拜的公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[9293].start |
25644.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9293].end |
25647.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9293].text |
連這件事情也一併可以來解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[9294].start |
25647.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9294].end |
25648.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9294].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9295].start |
25648.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9295].end |
25650.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9295].text |
請部長跟署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9296].start |
25650.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9296].end |
25652.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9296].text |
來 請出議議 |
| transcript.whisperx[9297].start |
25655.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9297].end |
25656.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9297].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9298].start |
25656.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9298].end |
25658.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9298].text |
接著請李坤城委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9299].start |
25666.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[9299].end |
25667.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[9299].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[9300].start |
25667.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[9300].end |
25668.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[9300].text |
我們請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9301].start |
25669.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9301].end |
25670.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9301].text |
前市部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9302].start |
25673.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9302].end |
25674.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9302].text |
李委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9303].start |
25674.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9303].end |
25675.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9303].text |
部長好 辛苦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9304].start |
25675.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9304].end |
25677.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9304].text |
今天的這個專報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9305].start |
25677.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9305].end |
25679.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9305].text |
這個中央一昧的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9306].start |
25679.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9306].end |
25681.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9306].text |
蓋牌吃案當門神 |
| transcript.whisperx[9307].start |
25681.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9307].end |
25683.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9307].text |
這七個字其實應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[9308].start |
25683.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9308].end |
25685.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[9308].text |
送還給盧秀燕 |
| transcript.whisperx[9309].start |
25686.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9309].end |
25688.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9309].text |
先射箭再畫吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[9310].start |
25688.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9310].end |
25691.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9310].text |
現在已經講說這個台唐有獅子等等之類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9311].start |
25692.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[9311].end |
25694.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[9311].text |
這個其實就是盧秀燕他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[9312].start |
25694.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[9312].end |
25696.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[9312].text |
在推卸責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[9313].start |
25696.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[9313].end |
25698.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[9313].text |
這整件事情要通報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9314].start |
25698.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9314].end |
25699.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9314].text |
其實是中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[9315].start |
25699.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9315].end |
25701.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9315].text |
中聯是在台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[9316].start |
25701.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9316].end |
25703.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9316].text |
中聯應該去跟台中市政府通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9317].start |
25703.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9317].end |
25705.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9317].text |
整件事情沒有通報的就是中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[9318].start |
25705.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9318].end |
25706.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9318].text |
問題在中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[9319].start |
25706.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9319].end |
25707.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9319].text |
問題在台中市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[9320].start |
25707.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9320].end |
25709.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9320].text |
結果因為台唐的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[9321].start |
25709.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9321].end |
25710.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9321].text |
它是國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[9322].start |
25710.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9322].end |
25712.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9322].text |
然後現在就發現說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9323].start |
25712.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9323].end |
25714.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9323].text |
台唐好像五月份就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9324].start |
25714.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9324].end |
25717.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9324].text |
所以它現在就轉移焦點到台唐的身上 |
| transcript.whisperx[9325].start |
25717.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9325].end |
25719.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9325].text |
那我先請教一下部長好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9326].start |
25719.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9326].end |
25721.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9326].text |
這個台唐在五月的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9327].start |
25721.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9327].end |
25724.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9327].text |
自主檢驗的時候發現了本評比鈔標 |
| transcript.whisperx[9328].start |
25724.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9328].end |
25726.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9328].text |
那這個本評比鈔標是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9329].start |
25726.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9329].end |
25727.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9329].text |
實際上是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9330].start |
25727.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9330].end |
25728.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9330].text |
實際上是審法規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9331].start |
25728.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9331].end |
25731.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9331].text |
它這個原油有本評比鈔標 |
| transcript.whisperx[9332].start |
25731.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9332].end |
25732.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9332].text |
那就要退回呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9333].start |
25732.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9333].end |
25735.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9333].text |
那還是說是這個台唐自己的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9334].start |
25735.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9334].end |
25736.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9334].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[9335].start |
25736.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9335].end |
25740.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9335].text |
我們現在所訂的本評比2.0PPB的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[9336].start |
25740.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9336].end |
25741.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9336].text |
是實用油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[9337].start |
25741.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9337].end |
25744.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9337].text |
也就是它的最終可食用的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9338].start |
25744.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9338].end |
25745.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9338].text |
吃的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9339].start |
25745.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9339].end |
25746.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9339].text |
對吃的油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9340].start |
25746.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9340].end |
25750.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9340].text |
那麼台唐去驗的是它要買的粗油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9341].start |
25750.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9341].end |
25753.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9341].text |
就是脫膠原油是粗油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9342].start |
25753.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9342].end |
25756.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9342].text |
所以那個是沒有訂本評比標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9343].start |
25756.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9343].end |
25757.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9343].text |
所以它對驗是根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[9344].start |
25757.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9344].end |
25758.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9344].text |
審法沒有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9345].start |
25758.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9345].end |
25759.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9345].text |
對沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9346].start |
25759.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9346].end |
25760.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9346].text |
相關的法律也都沒有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9347].start |
25760.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9347].end |
25761.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9347].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9348].start |
25761.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9348].end |
25762.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9348].text |
這是台唐自己規定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9349].start |
25762.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9349].end |
25763.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9349].text |
對這是台唐自己的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9350].start |
25763.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9350].end |
25765.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9350].text |
採購的合約裡面的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[9351].start |
25765.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9351].end |
25766.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9351].text |
我有看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9352].start |
25766.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9352].end |
25769.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9352].text |
它是說這個是因為考量成本的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[9353].start |
25769.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9353].end |
25771.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9353].text |
本評比在2以下的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9354].start |
25771.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9354].end |
25774.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9354].text |
它後面的製程比較簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[9355].start |
25774.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9355].end |
25776.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9355].text |
它只要控制溫度就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9356].start |
25776.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9356].end |
25778.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9356].text |
因為溫度高起來還是會高起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9357].start |
25778.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9357].end |
25781.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9357].text |
所以這就是台唐自己的一個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9358].start |
25781.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9358].end |
25783.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9358].text |
等於是內控成本的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9359].start |
25783.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9359].end |
25786.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9359].text |
所以現在法律上沒有任何的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9360].start |
25786.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9360].end |
25791.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9360].text |
就是說這個粗油本評比要在2以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[9361].start |
25791.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9361].end |
25793.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9361].text |
沒有我們是規定的是最終的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[9362].start |
25793.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9362].end |
25795.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9362].text |
我們的食安法也是規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9363].start |
25795.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9363].end |
25797.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9363].text |
我們的食安法都是規定是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[9364].start |
25797.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9364].end |
25799.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9364].text |
就是我們吃的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[9365].start |
25799.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9365].end |
25800.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9365].text |
第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[9366].start |
25800.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9366].end |
25803.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9366].text |
那台唐買的這個粗油是不能吃的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9367].start |
25803.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9367].end |
25804.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9367].text |
對不能吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[9368].start |
25804.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9368].end |
25805.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9368].text |
那所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[9369].start |
25808 |
| transcript.whisperx[9369].end |
25812 |
| transcript.whisperx[9369].text |
現在發現台唐發現說這個本評比 |
| transcript.whisperx[9370].start |
25812 |
| transcript.whisperx[9370].end |
25814 |
| transcript.whisperx[9370].text |
超標有問題特意去給中聯嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9371].start |
25814 |
| transcript.whisperx[9371].end |
25819 |
| transcript.whisperx[9371].text |
那這件事情就是說在5月份的這件事情上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9372].start |
25820.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[9372].end |
25821.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[9372].text |
台唐要去跟誰同胞 |
| transcript.whisperx[9373].start |
25823.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9373].end |
25826.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9373].text |
因為他這個不是強制通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9374].start |
25826.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9374].end |
25827.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9374].text |
所以他這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9375].start |
25827.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9375].end |
25828.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9375].text |
現在的法令的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9376].start |
25828.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9376].end |
25831.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9376].text |
是沒有這個通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[9377].start |
25831.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9377].end |
25836.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9377].text |
但是中聯知道這個檢驗出來有超標的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[9378].start |
25836.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9378].end |
25839.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9378].text |
他也確實讓那一批就不動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9379].start |
25839.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9379].end |
25842.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9379].text |
不做後續的這個鏈油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9380].start |
25842.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9380].end |
25844.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9380].text |
表示他已經知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[9381].start |
25844.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9381].end |
25846.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9381].text |
他可能在製程當中是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9382].start |
25846.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9382].end |
25848.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9382].text |
或者他的原料是有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9383].start |
25848.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9383].end |
25849.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9383].text |
所以這個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9384].start |
25849.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9384].end |
25852.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9384].text |
他就應該要開始進行檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[9385].start |
25852.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9385].end |
25856.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9385].text |
對於後續的製程要加強檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[9386].start |
25856.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9386].end |
25859.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9386].text |
那所以這個是個灰色地帶了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9387].start |
25859.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9387].end |
25861.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9387].text |
就是中聯他被退貨了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9388].start |
25861.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9388].end |
25863.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9388].text |
那他也知道說這個本評比有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9389].start |
25863.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9389].end |
25865.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9389].text |
那如果他拿這個東西再去製油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9390].start |
25865.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9390].end |
25867.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9390].text |
那當然就會有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9391].start |
25867.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9391].end |
25870.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9391].text |
可是在這個粗油的這個階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[9392].start |
25871.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[9392].end |
25873.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[9392].text |
那他按規定他有要去通報嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9393].start |
25873.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9393].end |
25874.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9393].text |
是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9394].start |
25874.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9394].end |
25875.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9394].text |
也沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9395].start |
25875.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9395].end |
25877.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9395].text |
所以這就是一個灰色地帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[9396].start |
25877.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9396].end |
25879.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9396].text |
那所以在實驗法修法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9397].start |
25879.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9397].end |
25881.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9397].text |
這部分會把它加進去嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9398].start |
25881.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9398].end |
25882.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9398].text |
如果他不是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[9399].start |
25882.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9399].end |
25884.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9399].text |
因為我們現在是規定產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[9400].start |
25884.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9400].end |
25887.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9400].text |
那現在就是說如果是他的上油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9401].start |
25887.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9401].end |
25890.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9401].text |
就是粗油發現問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9402].start |
25890.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9402].end |
25891.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9402].text |
有這個通報的機制嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9403].start |
25891.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9403].end |
25893.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9403].text |
在我們行政院版本裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9404].start |
25893.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9404].end |
25896.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9404].text |
有特別在第七條把它寫進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9405].start |
25896.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9405].end |
25898.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9405].text |
包含原料、半成品跟成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[9406].start |
25898.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9406].end |
25900.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9406].text |
不過這個後面到底是不是全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[9407].start |
25900.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9407].end |
25903.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9407].text |
我們還是會根據風險去分級的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9408].start |
25903.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9408].end |
25904.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9408].text |
不然也會通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9409].start |
25906.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9409].end |
25908.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9409].text |
因為很多的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[9410].start |
25908.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9410].end |
25912.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9410].text |
我們並沒有特別去訂那個檢驗標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[9411].start |
25912.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9411].end |
25913.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9411].text |
另外還要看到那個檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[9412].start |
25913.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9412].end |
25915.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9412].text |
因為原料跟那個成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[9413].start |
25915.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9413].end |
25917.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9413].text |
有時候樣態是差很遠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9414].start |
25917.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9414].end |
25919.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9414].text |
這個是黃豆變成油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9415].start |
25919.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9415].end |
25923.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9415].text |
那還有更多到最後可能形態都不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9416].start |
25923.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9416].end |
25925.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9416].text |
那個粗油除了來當變成油脂之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[9417].start |
25925.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9417].end |
25926.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9417].text |
還可以變成什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[9418].start |
25926.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9418].end |
25928.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9418].text |
它可以做工業的潤滑油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9419].start |
25928.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9419].end |
25930.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9419].text |
它可以去做肥皂 |
| transcript.whisperx[9420].start |
25930.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9420].end |
25932.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9420].text |
所以不一定最後是人吃的水油油嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9421].start |
25932.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9421].end |
25933.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9421].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9422].start |
25933.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9422].end |
25936.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9422].text |
所以他們也交給南亞塑膠 |
| transcript.whisperx[9423].start |
25936.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9423].end |
25939.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9423].text |
他們會去在塑膠上製程上去使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[9424].start |
25939.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9424].end |
25946.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9424].text |
那現在有這個主任檢察官陳檢察官 |
| transcript.whisperx[9425].start |
25946.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9425].end |
25949.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9425].text |
他有講說台黨有通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[9426].start |
25950.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[9426].end |
25954.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[9426].text |
那我就想說台黨通報的義務的法律規定在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[9427].start |
25956.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[9427].end |
25959.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[9427].text |
因為目前我們前一段說話都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9428].start |
25959.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[9428].end |
25960.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[9428].text |
就是說它是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9429].start |
25962.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[9429].end |
25966.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[9429].text |
這個粗油就是它不是產品的這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[9430].start |
25966.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9430].end |
25968.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9430].text |
它有通報的義務嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9431].start |
25968.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[9431].end |
25970.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[9431].text |
因為他現在他講這句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9432].start |
25970.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[9432].end |
25971.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[9432].text |
在台黨一直拿這句話在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9433].start |
25972.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9433].end |
25974.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9433].text |
就是說台黨有通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[9434].start |
25974.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9434].end |
25975.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9434].text |
那台黨為什麼不通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9435].start |
25976.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9435].end |
25978.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9435].text |
那可是剛剛跟部長討論的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[9436].start |
25978.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9436].end |
25981.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9436].text |
台黨的確在目前的這個法律規定上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9437].start |
25981.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[9437].end |
25983.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[9437].text |
台黨是沒有通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[9438].start |
25985.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9438].end |
25987.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9438].text |
就是大家都會期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[9439].start |
25987.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9439].end |
25991.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9439].text |
那麼國營事業要盡更多的社會責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[9440].start |
25991.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9440].end |
25993.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9440].text |
這個期待我們大家都可以理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[9441].start |
25993.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9441].end |
25996.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9441].text |
但是回到這個裁罰的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9442].start |
25996.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9442].end |
25998.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9442].text |
我們還是得依法論法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9443].start |
25998.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9443].end |
25999.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9443].text |
對 就依法論法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9444].start |
25999.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9444].end |
26000.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9444].text |
對 就依法論法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9445].start |
26000.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9445].end |
26005.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[9445].text |
那所以台黨到目前為止有受到任何的裁罰嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9446].start |
26005.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9446].end |
26007.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9446].text |
目前據我了解是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9447].start |
26007.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9447].end |
26009.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9447].text |
沒有 因為他沒有違反任何的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9448].start |
26009.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9448].end |
26011.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9448].text |
對 這個地方政府也去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[9449].start |
26011.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9449].end |
26013.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9449].text |
但是因為他是國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[9450].start |
26013.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9450].end |
26014.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[9450].text |
我們希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9451].start |
26015.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9451].end |
26017.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9451].text |
他如果知道有問題的趕快去講 |
| transcript.whisperx[9452].start |
26017.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9452].end |
26019.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9452].text |
大概目前就是道德上面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9453].start |
26019.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9453].end |
26022.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9453].text |
道德上面的一個責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[9454].start |
26022.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9454].end |
26024.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9454].text |
他應該去知道說有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9455].start |
26024.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9455].end |
26026.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9455].text |
他可能要去講 |
| transcript.whisperx[9456].start |
26026.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9456].end |
26028.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9456].text |
這當然是我們從後面往前推 |
| transcript.whisperx[9457].start |
26028.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9457].end |
26030.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9457].text |
這個是後見知名 |
| transcript.whisperx[9458].start |
26030.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9458].end |
26033.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9458].text |
以當時候要他去判斷說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9459].start |
26033.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9459].end |
26036.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9459].text |
這個到底這個風險有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[9460].start |
26036.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9460].end |
26039.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9460].text |
確實很多時候我們的事後諸葛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9461].start |
26039.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9461].end |
26042.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9461].text |
都是會課於比較高的期待或要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[9462].start |
26042.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9462].end |
26044.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9462].text |
對 所以說目前的修法就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9463].start |
26044.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9463].end |
26045.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9463].text |
把這個原料這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[9464].start |
26045.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9464].end |
26047.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9464].text |
就把它納進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[9465].start |
26047.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9465].end |
26049.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9465].text |
對 所以其實這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[9466].start |
26049.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9466].end |
26050.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9466].text |
你說台黨他的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[9467].start |
26050.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9467].end |
26052.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9467].text |
他沒有法律上的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[9468].start |
26052.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9468].end |
26054.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9468].text |
目前還在實行法律規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9469].start |
26054.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9469].end |
26055.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9469].text |
他的確是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9470].start |
26055.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9470].end |
26056.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9470].text |
但是我們只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9471].start |
26056.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9471].end |
26057.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9471].text |
他現在被當作健保 |
| transcript.whisperx[9472].start |
26057.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9472].end |
26059.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9472].text |
是因為他是國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[9473].start |
26059.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9473].end |
26060.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9473].text |
被當作國營事業就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9474].start |
26060.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9474].end |
26061.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9474].text |
你國營事業知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9475].start |
26061.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9475].end |
26062.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9475].text |
為什麼不通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9476].start |
26062.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9476].end |
26063.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9476].text |
但是我要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[9477].start |
26063.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9477].end |
26064.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9477].text |
他通報的是中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[9478].start |
26064.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[9478].end |
26067.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[9478].text |
做成有問題的產品是中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[9479].start |
26068.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9479].end |
26071.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9479].text |
中聯應該要去台中市政府通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9480].start |
26071.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9480].end |
26072.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9480].text |
他沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9481].start |
26072.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9481].end |
26074.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9481].text |
他的案子也跟南僑不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9482].start |
26074.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9482].end |
26076.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9482].text |
因為南僑是產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[9483].start |
26076.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9483].end |
26078.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9483].text |
是不一樣的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[9484].start |
26078.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9484].end |
26081.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9484].text |
但是現在在來黨全部把他搞在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[9485].start |
26081.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9485].end |
26084.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9485].text |
就是說反正你為什麼南僑 |
| transcript.whisperx[9486].start |
26084.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9486].end |
26086.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9486].text |
這個沒有通報的受罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[9487].start |
26086.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9487].end |
26088.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9487].text |
為什麼台黨這個沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9488].start |
26088.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9488].end |
26089.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9488].text |
好像沒有事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[9489].start |
26089.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9489].end |
26091.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9489].text |
回頭說發現說5月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[9490].start |
26091.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9490].end |
26093.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9490].text |
5月份好像比這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9491].start |
26093.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9491].end |
26094.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9491].text |
中聯最後被發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[9492].start |
26094.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9492].end |
26095.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9492].text |
6月底時間還早 |
| transcript.whisperx[9493].start |
26095.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9493].end |
26096.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9493].text |
他們就轉移焦點了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9494].start |
26096.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9494].end |
26097.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9494].text |
就轉到這邊去 |
| transcript.whisperx[9495].start |
26097.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9495].end |
26099.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9495].text |
這政治的動作其實大家都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[9496].start |
26099.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9496].end |
26100.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9496].text |
其實大家都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[9497].start |
26100.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9497].end |
26101.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9497].text |
但是你們要講得更清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[9498].start |
26101.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9498].end |
26103.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9498].text |
只是說台黨在這件事情上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9499].start |
26103.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9499].end |
26105.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[9499].text |
我認為是吃人們虧 |
| transcript.whisperx[9500].start |
26106.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9500].end |
26107.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9500].text |
因為他是國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[9501].start |
26107.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9501].end |
26108.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9501].text |
他是人們虧 |
| transcript.whisperx[9502].start |
26108.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9502].end |
26109.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9502].text |
但是我希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9503].start |
26109.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9503].end |
26110.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9503].text |
因為今天本來是要修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9504].start |
26110.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9504].end |
26112.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9504].text |
臨時加入這個專報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9505].start |
26112.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9505].end |
26114.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9505].text |
就整個修法又延後了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9506].start |
26114.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9506].end |
26115.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9506].text |
我們希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9507].start |
26115.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9507].end |
26117.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9507].text |
把該補的洞補起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9508].start |
26117.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9508].end |
26119.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9508].text |
我想這才是大家所樂見的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9509].start |
26119.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9509].end |
26121.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9509].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[9510].start |
26121.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9510].end |
26122.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[9510].text |
謝謝國營的指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[9511].start |
26125.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9511].end |
26127.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9511].text |
好 謝謝李昆辰委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9512].start |
26127.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9512].end |
26129.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9512].text |
接著請陳英委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9513].start |
26131.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[9513].end |
26132.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[9513].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[9514].start |
26137.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[9514].end |
26138.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[9514].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[9515].start |
26138.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[9515].end |
26140.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[9515].text |
那我們請 |
| transcript.whisperx[9516].start |
26141.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9516].end |
26144.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9516].text |
今天很辛苦的我們的衛福部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9517].start |
26144.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9517].end |
26146.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9517].text |
跟食藥署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9518].start |
26146.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9518].end |
26148.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[9518].text |
請部長跟署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9519].start |
26151.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9519].end |
26152.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9519].text |
陳也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9520].start |
26152.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9520].end |
26154.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9520].text |
兩位也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9521].start |
26154.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9521].end |
26157.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9521].text |
我們今天討論的這個食安法第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[9522].start |
26157.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9522].end |
26159.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9522].text |
通報的這個責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[9523].start |
26159.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9523].end |
26161.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9523].text |
首先我想要請教部長的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9524].start |
26161.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9524].end |
26164.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9524].text |
在這裡面第五項的食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9525].start |
26164.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9525].end |
26168.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9525].text |
發現產品有危害衛生安全之虞時 |
| transcript.whisperx[9526].start |
26168.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9526].end |
26170.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9526].text |
應即主動停止製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[9527].start |
26170.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9527].end |
26172.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9527].text |
加工販賣及辦理回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[9528].start |
26172.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9528].end |
26176.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9528].text |
並通報直轄縣市主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[9529].start |
26176.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9529].end |
26179.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9529].text |
那是不是已經很清楚規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[9530].start |
26179.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9530].end |
26180.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9530].text |
食品業者在發現產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[9531].start |
26180.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9531].end |
26182.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9531].text |
有問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9532].start |
26182.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9532].end |
26184.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9532].text |
應該通報地方主管機關對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9533].start |
26184.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9533].end |
26185.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[9533].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9534].start |
26185.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9534].end |
26188.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9534].text |
因為在這個發現之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[9535].start |
26188.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9535].end |
26189.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9535].text |
除了通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9536].start |
26189.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9536].end |
26192.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9536].text |
更重要的是應該要立即主動停止 |
| transcript.whisperx[9537].start |
26192.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9537].end |
26195.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9537].text |
製造加工販賣及辦理回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[9538].start |
26195.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9538].end |
26196.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9538].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[9539].start |
26196.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9539].end |
26198.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9539].text |
但是這個食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9540].start |
26198.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9540].end |
26201.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9540].text |
根據食安法的第三條的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[9541].start |
26201.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9541].end |
26203.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9541].text |
所以這裡面的食品業 |
| transcript.whisperx[9542].start |
26203.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9542].end |
26205.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9542].text |
我們看一下就包括了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9543].start |
26205.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9543].end |
26208.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9543].text |
從事食品或食品添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[9544].start |
26208.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9544].end |
26210.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9544].text |
製造加工調配包裝運送儲存 |
| transcript.whisperx[9545].start |
26210.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9545].end |
26212.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9545].text |
販賣運輸輸出等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[9546].start |
26212.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9546].end |
26215.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9546].text |
很多的不同分工的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9547].start |
26215.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9547].end |
26216.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9547].text |
那這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9548].start |
26216.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9548].end |
26218.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9548].text |
有很多的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9549].start |
26218.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9549].end |
26219.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9549].text |
其實嚴格說起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9550].start |
26219.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9550].end |
26224.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9550].text |
他們並不具備有發現危害之虞的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[9551].start |
26224.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9551].end |
26226.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9551].text |
這能力上看起來是不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9552].start |
26228.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9552].end |
26230.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9552].text |
到底就是說什麼樣的食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9553].start |
26230.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9553].end |
26232.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9553].text |
在這個食安法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9554].start |
26232.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9554].end |
26234.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9554].text |
是有責任通報的呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9555].start |
26235.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9555].end |
26236.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9555].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9556].start |
26238.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9556].end |
26242.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9556].text |
就是這個食品業者的範圍很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[9557].start |
26242.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9557].end |
26244.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9557].text |
剛剛提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9558].start |
26244.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9558].end |
26246.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9558].text |
甚至到下端的食品販售業 |
| transcript.whisperx[9559].start |
26246.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9559].end |
26249.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9559].text |
都會被納入是食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9560].start |
26249.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9560].end |
26252.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9560].text |
那麼因此我們在這個要求的通報上 |
| transcript.whisperx[9561].start |
26252.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9561].end |
26254.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9561].text |
當然有不同的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[9562].start |
26254.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9562].end |
26255.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9562].text |
那麼譬如說他有發現是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9563].start |
26255.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9563].end |
26257.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[9563].text |
不應該有的雜質 |
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他這個是目視可發現的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9565].start |
26259.36 |
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26261.36 |
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他也可以有通報的義務 |
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26261.36 |
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那有些是需要靠檢驗 |
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26264.36 |
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才能夠驗得出 |
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26265.36 |
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26267.36 |
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他有沒有健康危害之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[9569].start |
26267.36 |
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26268.36 |
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所以他就 |
| transcript.whisperx[9570].start |
26268.36 |
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26272.36 |
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大家每個業者的能力是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9571].start |
26274.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9571].end |
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本席認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[9572].start |
26275.76 |
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26278.76 |
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就這個通報義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[9573].start |
26278.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9573].end |
26280.76 |
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應該就是說根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[9574].start |
26280.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9574].end |
26283.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9574].text |
就是說以業者的這個能力及這個責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[9575].start |
26283.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9575].end |
26285.76 |
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要相匹配 |
| transcript.whisperx[9576].start |
26285.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9576].end |
26289.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9576].text |
那課與這個各級業者通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[9577].start |
26289.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9577].end |
26290.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9577].text |
應該就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9578].start |
26290.76 |
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26292.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9578].text |
因以這個業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9579].start |
26292.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9579].end |
26295.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9579].text |
他是否具備有相對的能力責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[9580].start |
26295.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9580].end |
26297.76 |
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來做一個判斷的基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[9581].start |
26297.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9581].end |
26300.76 |
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那凡是生產自由品牌的產品呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9582].start |
26300.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9582].end |
26304.76 |
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或者是這個從事生產加工調配 |
| transcript.whisperx[9583].start |
26304.76 |
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26306.76 |
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以及這個在製造的業者呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9584].start |
26306.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9584].end |
26308.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9584].text |
都應該對這個產品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[9585].start |
26308.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9585].end |
26311.76 |
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及這個社會大眾要負起責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[9586].start |
26311.76 |
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26312.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9586].text |
這些業者呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9587].start |
26312.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9587].end |
26316.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9587].text |
他具有發現產品危害的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[9588].start |
26316.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9588].end |
26319.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9588].text |
那也有這個檢測及確保產品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[9589].start |
26319.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9589].end |
26321.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9589].text |
衛生的這個責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[9590].start |
26321.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9590].end |
26322.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9590].text |
那所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9591].start |
26322.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9591].end |
26324.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9591].text |
本席在這裡是主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[9592].start |
26324.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9592].end |
26326.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9592].text |
那這一類的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9593].start |
26326.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9593].end |
26327.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9593].text |
我們都應該把他納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[9594].start |
26327.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9594].end |
26330.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9594].text |
法定通報義務人的範圍嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9595].start |
26330.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9595].end |
26334.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9595].text |
那這個我想這個大家都是有共識的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9596].start |
26334.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9596].end |
26337.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9596].text |
如果說部長也認同的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9597].start |
26337.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9597].end |
26340.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9597].text |
那麼在後續修法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[9598].start |
26340.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9598].end |
26342.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9598].text |
就應該要好好的來釐清說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9599].start |
26342.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9599].end |
26345.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9599].text |
通報的這個責任義務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[9600].start |
26345.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9600].end |
26347.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9600].text |
那現行的規定呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9601].start |
26347.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9601].end |
26350.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9601].text |
其實存有很大的這個模糊空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[9602].start |
26350.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9602].end |
26353.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9602].text |
這也是這一次的這個遊品事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[9603].start |
26353.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9603].end |
26354.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9603].text |
產生爭議的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[9604].start |
26354.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9604].end |
26356.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9604].text |
那我們回到 |
| transcript.whisperx[9605].start |
26356.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9605].end |
26358.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9605].text |
問題一點喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[9606].start |
26358.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9606].end |
26361.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9606].text |
目前對於這個加工跟調配的食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9607].start |
26361.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9607].end |
26363.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9607].text |
例如台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[9608].start |
26363.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9608].end |
26366.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9608].text |
是不是都需要從這個上游的這個原味料 |
| transcript.whisperx[9609].start |
26366.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9609].end |
26368.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[9609].text |
來進行檢測呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9610].start |
26370.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9610].end |
26373.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9610].text |
我們會有不同的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[9611].start |
26373.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9611].end |
26376.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9611].text |
因為有些原料我們並沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9612].start |
26376.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9612].end |
26378.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9612].text |
訂這個安全衛生標準出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9613].start |
26378.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9613].end |
26380.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9613].text |
也就是說他也沒有特別的檢驗方法啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9614].start |
26380.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9614].end |
26384.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9614].text |
那有一些呢我們是不得添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[9615].start |
26384.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9615].end |
26386.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9615].text |
就是這些是完全是不合法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9616].start |
26386.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9616].end |
26388.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9616].text |
那一種的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9617].start |
26388.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9617].end |
26392.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9617].text |
那就需要有這個製程上的把關的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[9618].start |
26392.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9618].end |
26394.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9618].text |
好這樣目前聽起來是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9619].start |
26394.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9619].end |
26395.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9619].text |
就 |
| transcript.whisperx[9620].start |
26395.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9620].end |
26397.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9620].text |
沒有很統一啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9621].start |
26397.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9621].end |
26398.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9621].text |
沒有很統一 |
| transcript.whisperx[9622].start |
26398.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9622].end |
26399.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9622].text |
對那我 |
| transcript.whisperx[9623].start |
26399.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9623].end |
26401.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9623].text |
不同類別是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9624].start |
26401.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9624].end |
26405.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9624].text |
好我換一個方式來說啦來問 |
| transcript.whisperx[9625].start |
26405.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9625].end |
26408.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9625].text |
那我可不可以我不檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[9626].start |
26408.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9626].end |
26410.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9626].text |
然後因為我沒有發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[9627].start |
26410.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9627].end |
26412.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9627].text |
所以就沒有通報責任了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9628].start |
26412.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9628].end |
26415.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9628].text |
例如這一次的這個台糖的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[9629].start |
26415.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9629].end |
26417.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9629].text |
如果他不檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[9630].start |
26417.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9630].end |
26418.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9630].text |
他就沒有發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[9631].start |
26418.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9631].end |
26420.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9631].text |
然後就不會上媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[9632].start |
26420.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9632].end |
26423.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9632].text |
然後他也沒有這個後續的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[9633].start |
26423.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9633].end |
26425.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9633].text |
因為他不測他也沒有違法嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9634].start |
26425.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9634].end |
26427.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9634].text |
是這樣子吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[9635].start |
26428.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9635].end |
26429.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9635].text |
反而就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9636].start |
26429.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9636].end |
26431.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9636].text |
今天他自己檢測了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9637].start |
26432.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9637].end |
26434.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[9637].text |
然後他發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[9638].start |
26434.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9638].end |
26436.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9638].text |
然後他自己封存 |
| transcript.whisperx[9639].start |
26436.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9639].end |
26437.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9639].text |
他停止製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[9640].start |
26437.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9640].end |
26438.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9640].text |
但是他沒有通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9641].start |
26438.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9641].end |
26440.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9641].text |
他反而有事了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9642].start |
26440.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9642].end |
26442.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9642].text |
那如果以這個台糖做為案例的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9643].start |
26442.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9643].end |
26446.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9643].text |
看起來好像是變相在鼓勵未來類似的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9644].start |
26446.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9644].end |
26448.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9644].text |
像有廠商都不要去檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[9645].start |
26448.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9645].end |
26450.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9645].text |
就不會遇到問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9646].start |
26450.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9646].end |
26454.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9646].text |
好這個就是我們目前法規上最大的一個漏洞嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9647].start |
26454.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9647].end |
26456.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9647].text |
好部長你才同意吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[9648].start |
26456.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9648].end |
26461.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9648].text |
對就是說檢測應該也是分成兩種啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[9649].start |
26461.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9649].end |
26464.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9649].text |
一種是我們是強制要求的這種檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[9650].start |
26464.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9650].end |
26466.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9650].text |
有一些是他自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[9651].start |
26466.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9651].end |
26468.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9651].text |
為了要更好的品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[9652].start |
26468.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9652].end |
26470.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9652].text |
或者是安全的管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[9653].start |
26470.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9653].end |
26471.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9653].text |
他自己訂的檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[9654].start |
26471.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9654].end |
26475.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9654].text |
對那所以其實台糖在這次的事件當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[9655].start |
26475.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9655].end |
26477.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9655].text |
他就錯在自己有檢測嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9656].start |
26477.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9656].end |
26479.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9656].text |
還惹來後面這些麻煩嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9657].start |
26479.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9657].end |
26482.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9657].text |
那所以另外的一個問題喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[9658].start |
26482.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9658].end |
26487.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9658].text |
就是說生產的這個廠房喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[9659].start |
26487.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9659].end |
26489.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9659].text |
在A縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[9660].start |
26489.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9660].end |
26491.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9660].text |
那總公司在B縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[9661].start |
26491.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9661].end |
26495.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9661].text |
那到底應該是要向哪一個地方主管機關來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9662].start |
26498.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9662].end |
26499.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9662].text |
跟總公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[9663].start |
26499.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9663].end |
26501.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9663].text |
因為我們有規定要登錄的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9664].start |
26501.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9664].end |
26506.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9664].text |
他就是根據他這個廠登錄的地方的那個縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[9665].start |
26506.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9665].end |
26507.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9665].text |
小管縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[9666].start |
26507.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9666].end |
26508.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9666].text |
廠登錄的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[9667].start |
26508.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9667].end |
26511.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9667].text |
就未必是生產的那個廠房 |
| transcript.whisperx[9668].start |
26511.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9668].end |
26513.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9668].text |
就是只要那個廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[9669].start |
26513.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9669].end |
26514.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9669].text |
那個製造廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[9670].start |
26514.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9670].end |
26517.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9670].text |
比如說他這次是在高雄小港嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9671].start |
26517.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9671].end |
26520.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9671].text |
所以他就是登錄在高雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[9672].start |
26520.19 |
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好那我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9673].start |
26522.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9673].end |
26525.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9673].text |
就是地方主管機關接獲通報之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[9674].start |
26525.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9674].end |
26527.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[9674].text |
那標準的處理程序是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[9675].start |
26528.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9675].end |
26530.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[9675].text |
他就要介入調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[9676].start |
26531.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9676].end |
26533.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9676].text |
他就是如果他通報了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9677].start |
26533.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9677].end |
26535.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9677].text |
那那個地方主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[9678].start |
26535.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9678].end |
26539.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9678].text |
比如說假設是台糖他通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9679].start |
26539.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9679].end |
26543.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9679].text |
通報當然是給他的這個縣市主管機關就是高雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[9680].start |
26543.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9680].end |
26547.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9680].text |
可是他會發現說這個貨又不在台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[9681].start |
26547.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9681].end |
26550.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9681].text |
那自然他就會變成是台中要去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9682].start |
26550.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9682].end |
26555.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[9682].text |
所以社交署有建立一個統一的SOP |
| transcript.whisperx[9683].start |
26555.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9683].end |
26556.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9683].text |
統一的SOP |
| transcript.whisperx[9684].start |
26556.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9684].end |
26558.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9684].text |
那因為但是我們會遇到一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9685].start |
26558.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9685].end |
26561.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9685].text |
就比如說像這個虎茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[9686].start |
26561.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9686].end |
26565.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9686].text |
虎茶油是在這個新北燕道 |
| transcript.whisperx[9687].start |
26565.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9687].end |
26567.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9687].text |
他的後市場抽燕道 |
| transcript.whisperx[9688].start |
26567.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9688].end |
26569.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9688].text |
可是燕道之後他發現說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9689].start |
26569.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9689].end |
26572.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9689].text |
雖然公司這個東西的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[9690].start |
26572.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9690].end |
26575.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9690].text |
這個產品的公司是登記在新北 |
| transcript.whisperx[9691].start |
26575.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9691].end |
26579.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9691].text |
可是他的製造廠他是在嘉義 |
| transcript.whisperx[9692].start |
26579.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9692].end |
26585.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9692].text |
那就會通報給嘉義縣衛生局去做這個調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[9693].start |
26585.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9693].end |
26592.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9693].text |
好那因為每一個地方的這個政府的人力跟資源都不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9694].start |
26592.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9694].end |
26595.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9694].text |
所以可能在執行起來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9695].start |
26595.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9695].end |
26600.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9695].text |
他可能有些地方他困難度比較高 |
| transcript.whisperx[9696].start |
26600.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9696].end |
26602.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9696].text |
那會人手不足等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[9697].start |
26602.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9697].end |
26604.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9697].text |
那食藥署你們有沒有什麼因應的對策 |
| transcript.whisperx[9698].start |
26604.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9698].end |
26607.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9698].text |
這一題我上次有大概有稍微提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[9699].start |
26609.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9699].end |
26613.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9699].text |
當然我們現在盡可能的去協助大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[9700].start |
26613.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9700].end |
26617.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9700].text |
那麼這個把它盡量這個自動化或者是簡化 |
| transcript.whisperx[9701].start |
26617.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9701].end |
26624.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9701].text |
不過呢這個人力的編制還是在地方去編制出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9702].start |
26624.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9702].end |
26629.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9702].text |
所以這個也希望這個各地方政府的首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9703].start |
26629.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9703].end |
26634.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9703].text |
也能夠依據他在地的這個食品廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[9704].start |
26634.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9704].end |
26638.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9704].text |
這食品廠因為每個縣市的加速也都不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9705].start |
26638.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9705].end |
26644.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9705].text |
他實際需要轄管的這個業別跟風險程度去編足足夠的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[9706].start |
26644.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9706].end |
26647.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9706].text |
那如果就是萬一有遇到一些特殊狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[9707].start |
26647.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9707].end |
26650.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9707].text |
地方政府無法因應的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9708].start |
26650.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9708].end |
26654.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9708].text |
中央是否會介入人力的本體資源上的支援 |
| transcript.whisperx[9709].start |
26654.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9709].end |
26658.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9709].text |
對我們像這一次我們的中區區管 |
| transcript.whisperx[9710].start |
26658.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9710].end |
26664.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9710].text |
我們食藥署的中區區管也都全力的去投入這一個事件的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9711].start |
26664.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9711].end |
26667.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9711].text |
好那再最後一點我想要請教江署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9712].start |
26667.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9712].end |
26670.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9712].text |
就是你們現在的這個硬體設備跟以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[9713].start |
26670.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9713].end |
26675.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9713].text |
早期我們在發現那個說話機的時代應該有很大的進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[9714].start |
26675.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9714].end |
26682.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9714].text |
但是人才才是最重要的一個其中一個因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[9715].start |
26682.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9715].end |
26688.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9715].text |
那現在你們的這個檢測專業人員是否就是有很充分嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9716].start |
26688.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9716].end |
26691.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9716].text |
還是很充足還是全 |
| transcript.whisperx[9717].start |
26691.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9717].end |
26693.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9717].text |
報告委員這一次我們扁平皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[9718].start |
26693.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9718].end |
26698.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9718].text |
扁平皮因為希望能夠一週內能夠達成檢驗能夠確立下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9719].start |
26698.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9719].end |
26704.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9719].text |
讓國人能夠釐清也讓所有的預防性下架後來能夠順利的能夠再清上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[9720].start |
26704.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9720].end |
26709.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9720].text |
我們一個禮拜裡面驗了幾百個檢體 |
| transcript.whisperx[9721].start |
26709.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9721].end |
26712.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9721].text |
講明白一點就是用了洪荒之力 |
| transcript.whisperx[9722].start |
26712.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9722].end |
26714.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9722].text |
同仁們其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9723].start |
26714.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9723].end |
26718.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9723].text |
所以你這樣你是說檢測專業人員是充足嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9724].start |
26718.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9724].end |
26720.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9724].text |
是這個是非常非常實際困難的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9725].start |
26720.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9725].end |
26722.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9725].text |
洪荒之力就有夠了是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9726].start |
26722.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9726].end |
26724.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9726].text |
不足的不足的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9727].start |
26724.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9727].end |
26726.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[9727].text |
不足的真的是不足的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9728].start |
26726.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9728].end |
26730.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9728].text |
因為我的問題還蠻簡單你講完以後我就有點聽不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[9729].start |
26730.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9729].end |
26738.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9729].text |
那好現在這個高考分發可以引進這個具有這個專業能力的各位人員嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9730].start |
26740.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9730].end |
26742.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9730].text |
現在他們是在高考的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9731].start |
26742.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9731].end |
26746.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9731].text |
各種不同的專業的技術人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9732].start |
26746.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9732].end |
26748.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9732].text |
所以是可以引進嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9733].start |
26748.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9733].end |
26750.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9733].text |
沒有特別一類 |
| transcript.whisperx[9734].start |
26750.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9734].end |
26752.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9734].text |
對不是特別的一類 |
| transcript.whisperx[9735].start |
26752.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9735].end |
26755.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9735].text |
都是衛生技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[9736].start |
26755.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9736].end |
26757.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9736].text |
對衛生技術它是歸在衛生技術之類 |
| transcript.whisperx[9737].start |
26757.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9737].end |
26762.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9737].text |
但是這個背景上我們還是有不同的背景會考上 |
| transcript.whisperx[9738].start |
26762.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9738].end |
26764.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9738].text |
所以進來的時候當然他們申請分發 |
| transcript.whisperx[9739].start |
26764.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9739].end |
26766.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9739].text |
進來也要再執訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[9740].start |
26766.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9740].end |
26768.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9740].text |
所以目前就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9741].start |
26768.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9741].end |
26770.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9741].text |
不容易培養 |
| transcript.whisperx[9742].start |
26770.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9742].end |
26776.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[9742].text |
我們這個具有專業能力的專職的公務員跟約聘僱員比例大概多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[9743].start |
26777.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9743].end |
26779.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[9743].text |
有掌握嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9744].start |
26779.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9744].end |
26783.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9744].text |
大概現在利用約聘僱員比例其實是逐年的增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[9745].start |
26783.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9745].end |
26785.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9745].text |
所以公務人員比例占比 |
| transcript.whisperx[9746].start |
26785.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9746].end |
26789.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9746].text |
因為業務量一直增加公務員員額是限制住的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9747].start |
26789.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9747].end |
26791.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9747].text |
所以目前大概大概是大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[9748].start |
26791.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9748].end |
26795.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9748].text |
之前是大概1比1現在大概4比6左右的公務人員就變少 |
| transcript.whisperx[9749].start |
26795.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9749].end |
26798.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9749].text |
甚至是3比7的一個程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[9750].start |
26798.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9750].end |
26801.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9750].text |
OK好大概七成嘛現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9751].start |
26801.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9751].end |
26803.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[9751].text |
好那 |
| transcript.whisperx[9752].start |
26804.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9752].end |
26809.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9752].text |
那這個地方政府的技術問題有時候是很需要中央的支援 |
| transcript.whisperx[9753].start |
26809.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9753].end |
26814.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9753].text |
那食藥署就是說你們目前是怎麼跟地方政府合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[9754].start |
26814.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9754].end |
26816.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9754].text |
然後可以提供的支援是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[9755].start |
26817.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9755].end |
26822.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9755].text |
跟委員說明當然我們一方面會有這些訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[9756].start |
26822.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9756].end |
26826.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9756].text |
讓這個地方的稽查人員具備這個稽查的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[9757].start |
26826.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9757].end |
26831.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9757].text |
那第二個對一些特殊的檢驗我們也由食藥署來支援 |
| transcript.whisperx[9758].start |
26831.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9758].end |
26837.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9758].text |
譬如說在前年113年我們進行油品的查核要驗這個本篇比的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9759].start |
26837.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9759].end |
26839.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9759].text |
就是我們食藥署來支援 |
| transcript.whisperx[9760].start |
26839.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9760].end |
26843.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9760].text |
因為不見得這個地方政府能夠驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[9761].start |
26843.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9761].end |
26845.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9761].text |
所以我們就會去支援這個驗的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[9762].start |
26845.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9762].end |
26848.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9762].text |
好謝謝那最後我們討論一下就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9763].start |
26848.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9763].end |
26852.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9763].text |
因為目前我們按照這個食安法來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[9764].start |
26852.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9764].end |
26856.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9764].text |
好像是應該是我們目前就食品就有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9765].start |
26856.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9765].end |
26859.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9765].text |
等於不是食品就是說我目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[9766].start |
26859.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9766].end |
26863.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9766].text |
很多產品是先流通販售後再檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[9767].start |
26863.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9767].end |
26865.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9767].text |
然後有問題再通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9768].start |
26867.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9768].end |
26869.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9768].text |
看起來是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9769].start |
26869.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9769].end |
26873.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9769].text |
那就是我們意思就是我們要自己先人體 |
| transcript.whisperx[9770].start |
26873.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9770].end |
26875.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9770].text |
先市面上人體試驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[9771].start |
26875.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9771].end |
26879.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9771].text |
那這樣子的話一旦確認就是有危害的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[9772].start |
26879.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9772].end |
26885.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9772].text |
然後再要去就是說回收下架可能都已經來不及了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9773].start |
26885.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9773].end |
26891.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9773].text |
那講到我想就是說講到這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[9774].start |
26891.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9774].end |
26897.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9774].text |
我其實我不禁要想到就是說要大力誇讚一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[9775].start |
26897.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9775].end |
26899.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9775].text |
我們的這個醬油業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9776].start |
26899.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9776].end |
26903.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9776].text |
因為多年來我們這個醬油業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9777].start |
26903.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9777].end |
26908.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9777].text |
是受到這個監察院某助理的給你們食藥署很大的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[9778].start |
26908.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9778].end |
26910.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9778].text |
像立法委員一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9779].start |
26910.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9779].end |
26914.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9779].text |
那每年都要求這個醬油業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9780].start |
26914.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9780].end |
26916.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[9780].text |
要進行專案的檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[9781].start |
26917.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9781].end |
26921.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9781].text |
只有醬油有這種特殊待遇其他都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[9782].start |
26921.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9782].end |
26925.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9782].text |
所以同樣的都有個油字 |
| transcript.whisperx[9783].start |
26925.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9783].end |
26928.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9783].text |
這兩個命運大不同標準也大不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[9784].start |
26928.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9784].end |
26933.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9784].text |
所以一個是醬油是嚴苛到這個國內業者快生存不下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[9785].start |
26933.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9785].end |
26936.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9785].text |
那另外一種油卻是鬆散無比 |
| transcript.whisperx[9786].start |
26936.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9786].end |
26940.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9786].text |
所以你們是嚴重的雙標可能也是被迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[9787].start |
26940.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9787].end |
26945.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9787].text |
但是我想這個過度以及不足都不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9788].start |
26945.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9788].end |
26953.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9788].text |
所以我想事後不論就是說你們要如何的這個重罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[9789].start |
26953.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9789].end |
26956.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9789].text |
都比不上這個影響人民的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[9790].start |
26956.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9790].end |
26962.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9790].text |
那這個後續修法就是說你們有沒有要處理這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9791].start |
26962.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9791].end |
26966.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9791].text |
然後讓這個產品確定就是說危害無虞才能上市 |
| transcript.whisperx[9792].start |
26966.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9792].end |
26970.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9792].text |
而不是現在說我們發現有危害了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9793].start |
26970.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9793].end |
26972.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9793].text |
或者有危害之虞了 |
| transcript.whisperx[9794].start |
26972.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9794].end |
26975.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9794].text |
然後大家再來說我們停止不得販售 |
| transcript.whisperx[9795].start |
26975.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9795].end |
26981.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9795].text |
因為發現需要時間確認危害之虞也需要時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[9796].start |
26981.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9796].end |
26988.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9796].text |
那這個時間全部加起來都是這個法律漏洞影響人民的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[9797].start |
26988.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9797].end |
26994.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9797].text |
對也跟委員說明就是說一直靠外部的稽查這個資源也是有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[9798].start |
26994.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9798].end |
26997.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9798].text |
所以也必須要照風險去做管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9799].start |
26997.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9799].end |
27000.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9799].text |
所以重要的是在一級跟二級品管 |
| transcript.whisperx[9800].start |
27000.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9800].end |
27004.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9800].text |
所以一級品管的部分如何去強化我們這次修法會修進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[9801].start |
27004.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9801].end |
27007.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9801].text |
他的檢驗的能力要自己提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[9802].start |
27007.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9802].end |
27012.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9802].text |
而且這個檢驗的單位要經過主管機關認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[9803].start |
27012.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9803].end |
27016.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9803].text |
然後未來他的檢驗結果也要跟我們去上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[9804].start |
27016.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9804].end |
27024.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9804].text |
這樣才能夠去強化這個內部的自主檢驗連結上外部的這個勾機 |
| transcript.whisperx[9805].start |
27024.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9805].end |
27027.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9805].text |
那二級品管的部分也要去強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[9806].start |
27027.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9806].end |
27031.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9806].text |
這些都是在避免說等到變成產品之後才發現問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9807].start |
27031.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9807].end |
27036.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9807].text |
所以一級二級品管重點都是在前面前端的預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[9808].start |
27036.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9808].end |
27041.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9808].text |
所以我想今天很一個很重要的重點就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[9809].start |
27041.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9809].end |
27047.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9809].text |
也是很諷刺的事情就是因為台糖自己自己先驗了發現問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[9810].start |
27047.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9810].end |
27050.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9810].text |
然後結果反而到底我們要怎麼去 |
| transcript.whisperx[9811].start |
27051.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9811].end |
27056.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9811].text |
定義台糖這樣的一個舉動是對的還是不對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9812].start |
27056.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9812].end |
27059.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9812].text |
是很lucky的還是很倒楣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[9813].start |
27059.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9813].end |
27064.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9813].text |
這個就是我想從這個案例我們在這個接下來的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9814].start |
27064.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9814].end |
27068.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9814].text |
把這些灰色地帶都把它弄清楚這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[9815].start |
27068.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9815].end |
27069.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9815].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[9816].start |
27069.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9816].end |
27070.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[9816].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9817].start |
27073.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[9817].end |
27074.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[9817].text |
好謝謝陳營委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9818].start |
27076.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[9818].end |
27078.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[9818].text |
接著請張雅玲委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9819].start |
27079.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9819].end |
27080.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[9819].text |
張雅玲委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9820].start |
27081.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[9820].end |
27083.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[9820].text |
張雅玲委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9821].start |
27085.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[9821].end |
27086.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[9821].text |
盧憲毅委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9822].start |
27087.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[9822].end |
27088.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[9822].text |
盧憲毅委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9823].start |
27089.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[9823].end |
27091.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[9823].text |
盧憲毅委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9824].start |
27092.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[9824].end |
27093.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[9824].text |
鄭政前委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9825].start |
27094.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[9825].end |
27095.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[9825].text |
鄭政前委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9826].start |
27096.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9826].end |
27098.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[9826].text |
鄭政前委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[9827].start |
27103.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[9827].end |
27107.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[9827].text |
好本日議程報告及詢答完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9828].start |
27110.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9828].end |
27112.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9828].text |
現在做以下決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9829].start |
27113.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9829].end |
27114.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[9829].text |
委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9830].start |
27114.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[9830].end |
27115.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[9830].text |
徐欣穎 |
| transcript.whisperx[9831].start |
27116.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[9831].end |
27117.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[9831].text |
盧憲毅 |
| transcript.whisperx[9832].start |
27117.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[9832].end |
27118.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[9832].text |
張雅玲 |
| transcript.whisperx[9833].start |
27119.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9833].end |
27120.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9833].text |
吳宗憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[9834].start |
27120.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[9834].end |
27122.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[9834].text |
所提書面質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[9835].start |
27123.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9835].end |
27125.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[9835].text |
列入記錄刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9836].start |
27127.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9836].end |
27129.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9836].text |
委員質詢未及答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[9837].start |
27130.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9837].end |
27132.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9837].text |
或請補充資料者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9838].start |
27132.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9838].end |
27136.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9838].text |
請相關機關於兩週內以書面答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[9839].start |
27137.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9839].end |
27139.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9839].text |
委員另有要求期限者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9840].start |
27139.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9840].end |
27141.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[9840].text |
重新鎖定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9841].start |
27143.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9841].end |
27146.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9841].text |
好待會我們休息五分鐘後 |
| transcript.whisperx[9842].start |
27146.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9842].end |
27149.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[9842].text |
與本會議室繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[9843].start |
27152.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[9843].end |
27155.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[9843].text |
及審查食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9844].start |
27155.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[9844].end |
27157.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[9844].text |
部分條文修正草案等 |
| transcript.whisperx[9845].start |
27157.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[9845].end |
27158.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[9845].text |
37案 |
| transcript.whisperx[9846].start |
27160.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[9846].end |
27161.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[9846].text |
現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[9847].start |
27163.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[9847].end |
27165.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[9847].text |
好像好像有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[9848].start |
27629.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9848].end |
27631.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[9848].text |
好現在繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[9849].start |
27634.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9849].end |
27636.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9849].text |
本日會議下午議程為 |
| transcript.whisperx[9850].start |
27636.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9850].end |
27640.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9850].text |
繼續審查及審查食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9851].start |
27640.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9851].end |
27643.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9851].text |
部分條文修正草案等 |
| transcript.whisperx[9852].start |
27643.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9852].end |
27644.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[9852].text |
37案 |
| transcript.whisperx[9853].start |
27646.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9853].end |
27650.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[9853].text |
好接著我們介紹在場的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9854].start |
27652.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[9854].end |
27654.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[9854].text |
王振旭委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9855].start |
27658.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9855].end |
27660.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9855].text |
好接著我們介紹我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[9856].start |
27661.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9856].end |
27663.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[9856].text |
練習的官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9857].start |
27664.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[9857].end |
27667.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[9857].text |
衛生福利部部長石崇良 |
| transcript.whisperx[9858].start |
27671.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[9858].end |
27674.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[9858].text |
食品藥物管理署署長江志剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[9859].start |
27679.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9859].end |
27681.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9859].text |
法規會參事陳信成 |
| transcript.whisperx[9860].start |
27685.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[9860].end |
27688.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[9860].text |
農業部農糧署副署長黃昭欣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9861].start |
27691.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9861].end |
27693.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[9861].text |
檢認記證李瓊尼 |
| transcript.whisperx[9862].start |
27696.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[9862].end |
27699.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[9862].text |
序幕司副司長周志勳 |
| transcript.whisperx[9863].start |
27703.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9863].end |
27706.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[9863].text |
漁業署檢認記證鄭淑雯 |
| transcript.whisperx[9864].start |
27710.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9864].end |
27712.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9864].text |
動植物防疫檢疫署 |
| transcript.whisperx[9865].start |
27712.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9865].end |
27714.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[9865].text |
副署長徐萬德 |
| transcript.whisperx[9866].start |
27718.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9866].end |
27720.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9866].text |
檢認記證姚宗慧 |
| transcript.whisperx[9867].start |
27723.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9867].end |
27725.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9867].text |
檢認記證洪玉堂 |
| transcript.whisperx[9868].start |
27729.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9868].end |
27731.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9868].text |
經濟部產業發展署 |
| transcript.whisperx[9869].start |
27731.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9869].end |
27733.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[9869].text |
副署長周宇新 |
| transcript.whisperx[9870].start |
27736.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[9870].end |
27737.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[9870].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[9871].start |
27738.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9871].end |
27739.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[9871].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[9872].start |
27740.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9872].end |
27741.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[9872].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[9873].start |
27742.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[9873].end |
27744.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[9873].text |
副署長羅世凡 |
| transcript.whisperx[9874].start |
27748.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9874].end |
27750.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[9874].text |
商業發展署副署長 |
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27751.32 |
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27752.32 |
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簡俊良 |
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27755.37 |
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27758.37 |
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國營事業管理師科長谷美蘭 |
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27761.82 |
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27764.82 |
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法務部參事汪南君 |
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27767.69 |
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27770.69 |
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教育部國民及學前教育署 |
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27770.69 |
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27772.69 |
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專門委員林如榮 |
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27775.62 |
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27778.62 |
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綜合規劃師科長羅秀慧 |
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27783.62 |
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27785.62 |
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財政部財政資訊中心 |
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27785.62 |
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27787.62 |
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副主任謝明峰 |
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27790.44 |
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27792.44 |
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科長陳明珠 |
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27794.61 |
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27797.61 |
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副稅署科長黃庭玉 |
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27801.05 |
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27804.05 |
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國庫署科長劉秀卿 |
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27806.71 |
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27808.71 |
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國務署檢認機何 |
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27809.66 |
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27810.66 |
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杜嘉文 |
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27813.76 |
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27817.76 |
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內政部警政署刑事警察局主任張文元 |
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27820.81 |
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27823.81 |
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經濟科股長沈梅君 |
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27826.87 |
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27829.87 |
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保安警察第七總隊第三大隊 |
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27829.87 |
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27832.87 |
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副大隊長徐祥偉 |
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27838.11 |
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27840.11 |
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謝謝大家 |
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27842.35 |
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27844.35 |
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繼續逐條審查前 |
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27844.35 |
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27846.35 |
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先做以下說明 |
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27846.68 |
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一 本委員會已在 |
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27848.68 |
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27851.68 |
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一百一十五年七月八日 |
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27851.68 |
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27853.68 |
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第十八次委員會議 |
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27853.68 |
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27856.68 |
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舊委員廖偉祥等十八人 |
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27856.68 |
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27860.68 |
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凝聚食品安全衛生管理法 |
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27860.68 |
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27864.68 |
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第二十四條及第二十五條 |
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27864.68 |
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27867.68 |
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條文修正草案等十七案 |
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27867.68 |
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27869.68 |
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詢答完畢 |
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27870.51 |
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27871.51 |
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啊 |
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27871.61 |
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27873.61 |
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本日再加入行政院 |
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27873.61 |
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27875.61 |
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含請審議 |
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27875.61 |
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27877.61 |
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食品安全衛生管理法 |
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27877.61 |
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27881.61 |
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部分條文修正草案等二十個提案 |
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27882.41 |
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27885.41 |
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與上述十七案並案審理 |
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27885.93 |
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27888.93 |
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今日下午議程進行 |
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27888.93 |
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27891.93 |
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會先請委員進行提案說明後 |
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27891.93 |
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27895.93 |
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由部長就各提案進行相關說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[9912].start |
27896.85 |
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27898.85 |
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不再另作詢答 |
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27898.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9913].end |
27901.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[9913].text |
與宣讀條文後及進行逐條討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[9914].start |
27907.33 |
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27910.33 |
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現在請提案委員說明提案要旨 |
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27910.79 |
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27912.79 |
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每位委員兩分鐘 |
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27913.63 |
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27916.63 |
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會議結束 |
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27915.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9917].end |
27917.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9917].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[9918].start |
27916.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[9918].end |
27919.51 |
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現場應吳委員登記要提案說明 |
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27923.8 |
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27926.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9919].text |
接下來請衛生福利部時部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9920].start |
27926.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[9920].end |
27929.8 |
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就討論事項進行說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[9921].start |
27935.56 |
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27937.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9921].text |
主席各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[9922].start |
27937.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9922].end |
27939.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9922].text |
那麼陳大院安排審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[9923].start |
27939.56 |
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27943.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9923].text |
行政院所提食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9924].start |
27943.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9924].end |
27945.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9924].text |
修正條文草案 |
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27945.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9925].end |
27949.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9925].text |
以及大院委員所提修正草案 |
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27949.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9926].end |
27951.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9926].text |
等共三十七案 |
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27951.56 |
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27955.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9927].text |
那麼本部這個就以上提案 |
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27955.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9928].end |
27958.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9928].text |
做簡短的立法說明 |
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27958.56 |
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27961.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9929].text |
那麼首先說明行政院提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[9930].start |
27961.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9930].end |
27963.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9930].text |
版本的修正重點 |
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27963.56 |
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27966.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9931].text |
本次食安法的修法行政院版本 |
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27966.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9932].end |
27969.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9932].text |
以強化源頭管理製程管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9933].start |
27969.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9933].end |
27971.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9933].text |
異常通報品質管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9934].start |
27971.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9934].end |
27974.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9934].text |
跟數位治理五大方向為核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[9935].start |
27974.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9935].end |
27976.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9935].text |
共提出修正十七條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[9936].start |
27976.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9936].end |
27979.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9936].text |
重點可分為五大面向來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[9937].start |
27979.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9937].end |
27982.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9937].text |
那麼重整第一就是對業者 |
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27982.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9938].end |
27985.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9938].text |
要求強化自主檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[9939].start |
27985.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9939].end |
27987.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9939].text |
那麼食安的監測計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[9940].start |
27987.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9940].end |
27990.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9940].text |
對特定的類別或規模者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9941].start |
27990.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9941].end |
27992.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9941].text |
要經中央來核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9942].start |
27992.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9942].end |
27996.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9942].text |
第二是要求業者發現或知悉 |
| transcript.whisperx[9943].start |
27996.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9943].end |
27999.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9943].text |
原料、產品有危害之餘時 |
| transcript.whisperx[9944].start |
27999.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9944].end |
28002.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9944].text |
應於二十四小時內通報等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[9945].start |
28002.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9945].end |
28005.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9945].text |
那麼第二是對實驗室的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[9946].start |
28005.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9946].end |
28008.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9946].text |
那麼要求實驗室需經過認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[9947].start |
28008.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9947].end |
28011.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9947].text |
而且也強化其通報的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[9948].start |
28011.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9948].end |
28014.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9948].text |
在檢驗結果出去二十四小時內 |
| transcript.whisperx[9949].start |
28014.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9949].end |
28017.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9949].text |
那麼要通報給主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[9950].start |
28017.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9950].end |
28021.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9950].text |
第三是對第三方機構的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[9951].start |
28021.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9951].end |
28026.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9951].text |
那麼授予第三方認證機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[9952].start |
28026.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9952].end |
28030.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9952].text |
得進行現場的抽樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[9953].start |
28030.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9953].end |
28033.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9953].text |
那麼業者必須要去配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[9954].start |
28033.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9954].end |
28035.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9954].text |
那麼不得拒絕或迴避 |
| transcript.whisperx[9955].start |
28035.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9955].end |
28039.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9955].text |
那麼同時發現有重大異常的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9956].start |
28039.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9956].end |
28041.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9956].text |
也要主動的通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[9957].start |
28041.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9957].end |
28045.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9957].text |
那麼第四在政府的執法方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9958].start |
28045.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9958].end |
28049.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9958].text |
那麼因應重大的食安事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[9959].start |
28049.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9959].end |
28056.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9959].text |
中央得報、得成立食品安全事件的指揮中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[9960].start |
28056.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9960].end |
28060.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9960].text |
另一方面對相關的罰則上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[9961].start |
28060.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9961].end |
28064.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9961].text |
那麼也提高來重重裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[9962].start |
28064.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9962].end |
28068.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9962].text |
那麼特別是對於這種異常通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[9963].start |
28068.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9963].end |
28070.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9963].text |
那麼隱匿或延遲者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9964].start |
28070.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9964].end |
28073.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9964].text |
從上限三百萬提高到上限三千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[9965].start |
28073.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9965].end |
28077.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9965].text |
另外也明定下架措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[9966].start |
28077.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9966].end |
28080.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9966].text |
及後續處理的授權辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9967].start |
28080.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9967].end |
28084.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9967].text |
另外在食安基金的用途部分也增列 |
| transcript.whisperx[9968].start |
28084.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9968].end |
28088.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9968].text |
得補助依規定預防下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[9969].start |
28088.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9969].end |
28093.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9969].text |
而且是非違規食品業者的相關費用補助等 |
| transcript.whisperx[9970].start |
28093.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9970].end |
28098.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9970].text |
那麼最後是強化網路的食品安全管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9971].start |
28098.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9971].end |
28101.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9971].text |
那麼明定的網際網路業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[9972].start |
28101.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9972].end |
28105.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9972].text |
因應應進之管理義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[9973].start |
28105.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9973].end |
28109.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9973].text |
以及應執行的風險管控措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[9974].start |
28109.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9974].end |
28117.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9974].text |
那麼其次在針對各個委員的提案修正版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[9975].start |
28117.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9975].end |
28121.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9975].text |
也進行一些重整性的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[9976].start |
28121.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9976].end |
28123.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9976].text |
因為版本相當的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[9977].start |
28123.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9977].end |
28125.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9977].text |
那麼重整成以下四大面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[9978].start |
28125.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9978].end |
28130.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9978].text |
第一個是有關於食品業者自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9979].start |
28130.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9979].end |
28132.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9979].text |
跟風險管理制度的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[9980].start |
28132.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9980].end |
28136.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9980].text |
那麼八行提出提高自主的檢驗頻率 |
| transcript.whisperx[9981].start |
28136.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9981].end |
28140.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9981].text |
實驗室的認證以及異常通報機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[9982].start |
28140.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9982].end |
28144.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9982].text |
另外建立起食品安全風險的分級管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9983].start |
28144.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9983].end |
28146.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9983].text |
強化第三方驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[9984].start |
28146.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9984].end |
28150.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[9984].text |
增定食品安全專業簽證以及強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[9985].start |
28151.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9985].end |
28154.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9985].text |
追溯追蹤與電子聲報等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[9986].start |
28154.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9986].end |
28157.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9986].text |
那麼這個也很多做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[9987].start |
28157.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9987].end |
28162.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9987].text |
那麼條文是跟行政院版本有類似相近之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[9988].start |
28162.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9988].end |
28164.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9988].text |
那麼另外有一些是 |
| transcript.whisperx[9989].start |
28164.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9989].end |
28167.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9989].text |
在目前的行政院版本裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9990].start |
28167.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9990].end |
28170.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9990].text |
是以授權法規的方式來做訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[9991].start |
28170.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9991].end |
28172.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9991].text |
未來在審查條文的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[9992].start |
28172.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9992].end |
28174.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9992].text |
我們再逐一來表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[9993].start |
28174.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9993].end |
28178.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9993].text |
那麼第二個是關於政府監督邊境管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[9994].start |
28178.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9994].end |
28180.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9994].text |
跟食安事件的應變部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[9995].start |
28180.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9995].end |
28182.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9995].text |
在某人的版本裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[9996].start |
28182.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9996].end |
28186.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9996].text |
也提出了建立跨部會的食安通報平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[9997].start |
28186.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9997].end |
28190.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9997].text |
還有中央的食品安全事件的指揮中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[9998].start |
28190.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9998].end |
28195.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9998].text |
另外針對基改食品跟大宗農產品的邊境 |
| transcript.whisperx[9999].start |
28195.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9999].end |
28197.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[9999].text |
查驗的強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[10000].start |
28197.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10000].end |
28200.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10000].text |
還有建立全國性風險分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[10001].start |
28200.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10001].end |
28202.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10001].text |
跟專案查核機制明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[10002].start |
28202.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10002].end |
28205.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10002].text |
這個訂定預防性下架程序等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[10003].start |
28205.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10003].end |
28209.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10003].text |
那這裡面也涉及到不同部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[10004].start |
28209.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10004].end |
28213.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10004].text |
還有我們目前現行做法上的一些調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[10005].start |
28213.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10005].end |
28216.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10005].text |
那麼未來希望這個在逐條的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[10006].start |
28216.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10006].end |
28219.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10006].text |
再詳細的向更改委員來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10007].start |
28219.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10007].end |
28222.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10007].text |
那麼第三是關於食品標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[10008].start |
28222.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10008].end |
28224.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10008].text |
跟資訊介入的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10009].start |
28224.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10009].end |
28226.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10009].text |
包含原廠地標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[10010].start |
28226.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10010].end |
28229.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10010].text |
還有原鄉的食品標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[10011].start |
28229.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10011].end |
28232.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10011].text |
還有嬰幼兒食品等之標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[10012].start |
28232.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10012].end |
28233.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10012].text |
還有廣告宣稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[10013].start |
28233.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10013].end |
28235.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10013].text |
那目前其實在食安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10014].start |
28235.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10014].end |
28239.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10014].text |
已經有授權有關標示的一些規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10015].start |
28239.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10015].end |
28248.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10015].text |
那麼對於委員希望強化原廠地標示的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10016].start |
28248.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10016].end |
28251.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10016].text |
我們也會參考國際上的一些做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10017].start |
28251.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10017].end |
28255.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10017].text |
在修法的時候再跟委員來請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[10018].start |
28255.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10018].end |
28258.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10018].text |
那麼第四個是加重了違規責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[10019].start |
28258.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10019].end |
28260.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10019].text |
及強化消費者保護的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10020].start |
28260.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10020].end |
28263.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10020].text |
包含提高違規的罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[10021].start |
28263.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10021].end |
28267.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10021].text |
強化吹哨者檢舉人的保護及獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[10022].start |
28267.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10022].end |
28270.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10022].text |
還有主動通報的檢責食安基金的用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[10023].start |
28270.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10023].end |
28272.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10023].text |
跟補助機制等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[10024].start |
28272.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10024].end |
28274.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10024].text |
所以以上有關委員提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10025].start |
28274.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10025].end |
28276.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10025].text |
從食品業者的自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10026].start |
28276.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10026].end |
28278.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10026].text |
政府監督邊境管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10027].start |
28278.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10027].end |
28280.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10027].text |
食品安全事件的應變 |
| transcript.whisperx[10028].start |
28280.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10028].end |
28285.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10028].text |
產品的標示違規責任及消費者保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[10029].start |
28285.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10029].end |
28289.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10029].text |
等等的面向來強化食品安全的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10030].start |
28289.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10030].end |
28295.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10030].text |
那麼都是基於維護國人的食品安全的共同目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[10031].start |
28295.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10031].end |
28297.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10031].text |
利益非常良善 |
| transcript.whisperx[10032].start |
28297.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10032].end |
28299.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10032].text |
這個本部都競表認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[10033].start |
28299.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10033].end |
28301.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10033].text |
但是在審慎檢視 |
| transcript.whisperx[10034].start |
28301.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10034].end |
28307.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10034].text |
其實部分已經納入了行政院版的修正草案規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[10035].start |
28307.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10035].end |
28312.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10035].text |
那有些部分是已經納入行政院版的授權執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10036].start |
28312.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10036].end |
28315.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10036].text |
來研擬那個納入規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[10037].start |
28315.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10037].end |
28319.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10037].text |
另外有些部分是像是已經有現行管理機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10038].start |
28319.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10038].end |
28323.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10038].text |
那麼是執行面的強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[10039].start |
28323.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10039].end |
28329.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10039].text |
那麼另外有些是需要審酌在他未來執行上的可行性等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[10040].start |
28329.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10040].end |
28333.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10040].text |
所以我們將會把握時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[10041].start |
28333.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10041].end |
28337.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10041].text |
那麼持續的跟各位委員來充分的溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[10042].start |
28337.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10042].end |
28341.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10042].text |
那麼希望在未來的這個排審主條的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[10043].start |
28341.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10043].end |
28344.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10043].text |
能夠儘速的凝聚修法的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[10044].start |
28344.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10044].end |
28347.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10044].text |
並配合整個修法的進程 |
| transcript.whisperx[10045].start |
28347.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10045].end |
28350.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10045].text |
同步的檢討修正相關的執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10046].start |
28350.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10046].end |
28354.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10046].text |
持續的精進食品安全的管理制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[10047].start |
28354.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10047].end |
28355.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10047].text |
那麼以上報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[10048].start |
28355.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10048].end |
28359.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10048].text |
那麼謝謝各位委員的指教跟監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[10049].start |
28359.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10049].end |
28361.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10049].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10050].start |
28362.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[10050].end |
28364.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[10050].text |
好,謝謝史部長說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10051].start |
28366.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10051].end |
28370.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10051].text |
好,現在請醫事人員宣讀提案條文內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[10052].start |
28370.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10052].end |
28372.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10052].text |
若有修正動議請一併宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[10053].start |
28375.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10053].end |
28378.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10053].text |
視頻衛生管理法部分條文修正草案行政院提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10054].start |
28378.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10054].end |
28379.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10054].text |
委員廖偉祥的18人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10055].start |
28379.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10055].end |
28381.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10055].text |
委員蘇清泉的23人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10056].start |
28381.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10056].end |
28383.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10056].text |
委員蘇清泉的20人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10057].start |
28384.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10057].end |
28386.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10057].text |
委員葛如君的22人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10058].start |
28386.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10058].end |
28387.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10058].text |
委員翁曉琳的17人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10059].start |
28387.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10059].end |
28389.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10059].text |
委員黃建豪的19人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10060].start |
28389.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10060].end |
28391.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10060].text |
委員羅志祥的29人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10061].start |
28391.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10061].end |
28392.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10061].text |
委員黃建豪的16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10062].start |
28392.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10062].end |
28394.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10062].text |
委員羅天衛的17人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10063].start |
28394.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10063].end |
28396.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10063].text |
委員臺灣民眾黨黨團提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10064].start |
28396.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10064].end |
28398.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10064].text |
委員魯明哲的16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10065].start |
28398.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10065].end |
28399.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10065].text |
委員王玉敏的17人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10066].start |
28399.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10066].end |
28401.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10066].text |
委員林獻琪的19人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10067].start |
28401.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10067].end |
28403.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10067].text |
委員陳超明的16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10068].start |
28403.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10068].end |
28405.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10068].text |
委員黃建豪的23人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10069].start |
28405.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10069].end |
28407.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10069].text |
委員張家俊的28人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10070].start |
28407.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10070].end |
28409.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10070].text |
委員黃玉敏的19人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10071].start |
28409.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10071].end |
28411.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10071].text |
委員劉建國的19人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10072].start |
28411.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10072].end |
28412.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10072].text |
委員徐宇峥的16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10073].start |
28412.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10073].end |
28413.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10073].text |
委員郭國文的18人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10074].start |
28413.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10074].end |
28415.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10074].text |
國民黨黨團提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10075].start |
28415.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10075].end |
28416.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10075].text |
委員黃建豪的16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10076].start |
28416.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10076].end |
28418.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10076].text |
委員廖偉祥的19人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10077].start |
28418.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10077].end |
28420.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10077].text |
委員李彥秀的23人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10078].start |
28420.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10078].end |
28422.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10078].text |
委員盧志強的17人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10079].start |
28422.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10079].end |
28423.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10079].text |
委員盧憲義的16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10080].start |
28423.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10080].end |
28424.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10080].text |
委員吳立華的16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10081].start |
28424.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10081].end |
28426.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10081].text |
委員徐宇正的20人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10082].start |
28426.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10082].end |
28428.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10082].text |
委員王玉敏的25人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10083].start |
28428.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10083].end |
28430.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10083].text |
委員徐巧新的17人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10084].start |
28430.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10084].end |
28432.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10084].text |
委員林月晴的24人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10085].start |
28432.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10085].end |
28434.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10085].text |
委員林淑芬的21人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10086].start |
28434.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10086].end |
28435.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10086].text |
委員鄭天才的16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10087].start |
28435.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10087].end |
28437.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10087].text |
委員李坤城的18人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10088].start |
28437.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10088].end |
28439.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10088].text |
委員黃秀芳的21人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10089].start |
28439.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10089].end |
28440.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10089].text |
委員劉建國的16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10090].start |
28440.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10090].end |
28442.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10090].text |
憲行法條文對照表 |
| transcript.whisperx[10091].start |
28444.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10091].end |
28447.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10091].text |
行政院提案第二條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[10092].start |
28447.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10092].end |
28449.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10092].text |
中央主管機關因應國內外重大或 |
| transcript.whisperx[10093].start |
28449.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10093].end |
28451.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10093].text |
頭髮性食品衛生安全事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[10094].start |
28451.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10094].end |
28454.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10094].text |
經評估任由統籌各項資源設備及 |
| transcript.whisperx[10095].start |
28454.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10095].end |
28457.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10095].text |
整合相關機關購人員之必要時 |
| transcript.whisperx[10096].start |
28457.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10096].end |
28459.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10096].text |
得報請行政院同意成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[10097].start |
28459.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10097].end |
28463.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10097].text |
中央食品安全事件指揮中心以下稱指揮中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[10098].start |
28464.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10098].end |
28468.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10098].text |
並指定人員擔任指揮官統一指揮督導與協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[10099].start |
28468.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10099].end |
28472.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10099].text |
各級政府機關購供應事業及民間團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[10100].start |
28472.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10100].end |
28474.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10100].text |
執行相關應變措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[10101].start |
28474.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10101].end |
28477.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10101].text |
直轄市縣市主管機關與轄區發生重大或 |
| transcript.whisperx[10102].start |
28477.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10102].end |
28479.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10102].text |
頭髮性食品衛生安全事件時 |
| transcript.whisperx[10103].start |
28479.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10103].end |
28483.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10103].text |
應立即動員所屬各相關機關購集人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10104].start |
28483.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10104].end |
28484.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10104].text |
採行必要之措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[10105].start |
28485.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10105].end |
28488.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10105].text |
並通報中央主管機關與前項指揮中心成立後 |
| transcript.whisperx[10106].start |
28488.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10106].end |
28491.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10106].text |
應依其指示辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10107].start |
28491.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10107].end |
28493.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10107].text |
第一項指揮中心編組任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[10108].start |
28493.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10108].end |
28496.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10108].text |
作業程序及其他相關事項之辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10109].start |
28496.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10109].end |
28498.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10109].text |
由中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10110].start |
28498.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10110].end |
28500.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10110].text |
所有委員提案均與行政院提案同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[10111].start |
28508.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10111].end |
28511.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10111].text |
行政院提案第三條 增列第十三款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10112].start |
28513.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10112].end |
28517.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10112].text |
網際網路業者 指網際網路平台提供者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10113].start |
28517.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10113].end |
28521.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10113].text |
網際網路應用服務提供者 及網際網路內容提供者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10114].start |
28522.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10114].end |
28525.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10114].text |
其餘同縣刑法所有委員提案與行政院提案同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[10115].start |
28539.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10115].end |
28542.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10115].text |
文書侵權等二十人提案第四條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10116].start |
28542.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10116].end |
28546.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10116].text |
第一項 據莫徵 引發爭議之十安重大政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[10117].start |
28546.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10117].end |
28548.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10117].text |
應由人民公投復決之 |
| transcript.whisperx[10118].start |
28548.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10118].end |
28552.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10118].text |
針對公投結果 政府應接受並成為政府政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[10119].start |
28552.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10119].end |
28554.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10119].text |
其餘同縣刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10120].start |
28554.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10120].end |
28557.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10120].text |
文理院秀等二十三人提案第四條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10121].start |
28557.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10121].end |
28561.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10121].text |
第五項第三行 修正為最小暴露原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[10122].start |
28562.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10122].end |
28568.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10122].text |
第五行 修正為列管理措施分號並因訊維風險評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[10123].start |
28568.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10123].end |
28576.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10123].text |
同時增列第三款 與大眾傳播媒體公告產品名稱流向或其他必要資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10124].start |
28576.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10124].end |
28578.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10124].text |
增列第四 第六項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10125].start |
28578.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10125].end |
28582.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10125].text |
前項重大或突發性食品衛生安全事件之認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10126].start |
28582.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10126].end |
28586.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10126].text |
採取管理措施之標準與處理原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[10127].start |
28586.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10127].end |
28589.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10127].text |
正當程序之保障及其他應遵行事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10128].start |
28589.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10128].end |
28592.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10128].text |
第七項 由中央主管機關定制區同縣刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10129].start |
28593.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10129].end |
28596.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10129].text |
文劉建國等十九人提案第四條 增列第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10130].start |
28596.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10130].end |
28608.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10130].text |
前項風險評估因綜合食品科學、食品技術、獨立學、醫學、營養學、公共衛生、流行病學、環境、健康、風險管理及其他相關專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[10131].start |
28608.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10131].end |
28612.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10131].text |
第三項第一行 修正為第一項風險評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[10132].start |
28612.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10132].end |
28616.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10132].text |
第二行 修正獨立遁號公共衛生與風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[10133].start |
28616.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10133].end |
28618.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10133].text |
第四項第四行 |
| transcript.whisperx[10134].start |
28619.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10134].end |
28622.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10134].text |
第五項 修正獨立遁號公共衛生遁號 |
| transcript.whisperx[10135].start |
28624.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10135].end |
28633.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10135].text |
同時增列第六項 中央主管機關進行重大食品安全事件之風險評估或健康風險研判時 |
| transcript.whisperx[10136].start |
28633.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10136].end |
28638.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10136].text |
因事件性質納入公共衛生師、食品技師及其他相關專業人員參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[10137].start |
28639.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10137].end |
28641.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10137].text |
第七項前項 重大食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10138].start |
28642.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10138].end |
28650.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10138].text |
食品安全事件之認定專業人員之參與方式風險評估及健康風險研判程序由中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10139].start |
28650.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10139].end |
28652.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10139].text |
並遞於原第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10140].start |
28653.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10140].end |
28657.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10140].text |
其餘同線刑法 為李恩秀等23人提案第五條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10141].start |
28658.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10141].end |
28667.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10141].text |
政府應致力及時充實消費資訊 並以消費者作為消費行為選擇基礎以維護其安全與權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[10142].start |
28668.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10142].end |
28670.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10142].text |
國民黨黨團提案第六條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10143].start |
28670.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10143].end |
28681.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10143].text |
中央主管機關應會同農業部、經濟部、財政部及相關部會參考國際食品快速通關機制建立全國性跨部會即時食安通報平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[10144].start |
28682.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10144].end |
28690.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10144].text |
從業部、經濟部、財政部與相關部會於執行職務時發現食品供應鏈設有系統性異常風險之數據或情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[10145].start |
28690.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10145].end |
28698.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10145].text |
應於24小時內登錄該平台完成即時通報 打破部會資訊壁壘 落實預防原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[10146].start |
28698.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10146].end |
28706.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10146].text |
前兩項跨部會通報體系之運作全責分工及全民參與監督辦法由中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10147].start |
28706.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10147].end |
28717.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10147].text |
通報平台應與歐盟食品與飼料快速通報系統ISFF等國際食品安全通報系統建立資訊連結 |
| transcript.whisperx[10148].start |
28717.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10148].end |
28724.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10148].text |
即時掌握國際食品安全風險動態並主動納入進口原料之國際風險預警資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10149].start |
28724.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10149].end |
28730.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10149].text |
中央主管機關應於本條例施行後一年內完成即時通報平台之建置 |
| transcript.whisperx[10150].start |
28730.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10150].end |
28733.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10150].text |
並每年向立法院提出平台運作成效報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[10151].start |
28735.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10151].end |
28737.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10151].text |
為黃建豪等16人體驗第六條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10152].start |
28739.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10152].end |
28747.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10152].text |
中央主管機關應會統農業部經濟部財政部及其他相關部會建立全國性跨部會即時食安通報平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[10153].start |
28747.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10153].end |
28749.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10153].text |
以下簡稱通報平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[10154].start |
28749.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10154].end |
28756.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10154].text |
前項相關部會於執行職務時發現食品供應鏈設有系統性異常風險之數據或情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[10155].start |
28756.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10155].end |
28761.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10155].text |
應於24小時內登錄通報平台完成即時通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[10156].start |
28761.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10156].end |
28774.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10156].text |
通報平台應於歐盟食品與飼料快速通報系統ISFFF等國際食品安全通報機制建立資訊連結主動納入進口原料之預警資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10157].start |
28774.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10157].end |
28776.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10157].text |
並即時掌握國際風險動態 |
| transcript.whisperx[10158].start |
28776.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10158].end |
28781.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10158].text |
中央主管機關應於本條施行之日起一年內完成通報平台之建置 |
| transcript.whisperx[10159].start |
28781.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10159].end |
28785.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10159].text |
並每年向立法院提出通報平台之運作成效報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[10160].start |
28786.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10160].end |
28794.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10160].text |
第一項及第二項通報平台之運作機制跨部會全責分工全民參與監督及其他因遵行事項之辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10161].start |
28794.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10161].end |
28796.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10161].text |
由莊主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10162].start |
28797.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10162].end |
28799.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10162].text |
文羅志強等17人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10163].start |
28799.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10163].end |
28802.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10163].text |
文羅獻一等16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10164].start |
28802.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10164].end |
28804.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10164].text |
文徐巧新等17人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10165].start |
28808.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10165].end |
28810.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10165].text |
文西委員鄭天才等16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10166].start |
28810.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10166].end |
28812.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10166].text |
君宇國民黨提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10167].start |
28812.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10167].end |
28814.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10167].text |
同文旭真等20人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10168].start |
28814.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10168].end |
28816.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10168].text |
第六條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10169].start |
28817.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10169].end |
28819.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10169].text |
第二項第四行 |
| transcript.whisperx[10170].start |
28819.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10170].end |
28823.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10170].text |
刪除打破部會資訊壁壘落實預防原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[10171].start |
28823.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10171].end |
28826.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10171].text |
其餘與國民黨提案同 |
| transcript.whisperx[10172].start |
28830.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10172].end |
28832.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10172].text |
行政院提案第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10173].start |
28832.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10173].end |
28834.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10173].text |
第一項第三行 |
| transcript.whisperx[10174].start |
28834.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10174].end |
28840.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10174].text |
帽號符合一定類別及規模者其食品安全監測計畫因報經莊主管機關核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10175].start |
28840.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10175].end |
28846.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10175].text |
第二項第三行修正為帽號符合一定類別及規模者因定其檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[10176].start |
28846.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10176].end |
28853.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10176].text |
第三項第二行修正為主管機關指定之食品業則同時增列第四項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10177].start |
28853.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10177].end |
28858.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10177].text |
執行前兩項檢驗之機關構法人團體或實驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[10178].start |
28858.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10178].end |
28860.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10178].text |
第四項第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10179].start |
28860.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10179].end |
28862.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10179].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10180].start |
28862.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10180].end |
28864.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10180].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10181].start |
28864.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10181].end |
28866.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10181].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10182].start |
28866.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10182].end |
28868.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10182].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10183].start |
28868.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10183].end |
28870.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10183].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10184].start |
28870.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10184].end |
28872.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10184].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10185].start |
28872.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10185].end |
28874.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10185].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10186].start |
28874.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10186].end |
28876.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10186].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10187].start |
28876.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10187].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[10187].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10188].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[10188].end |
28880.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10188].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10189].start |
28880.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10189].end |
28882.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10189].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10190].start |
28882.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10190].end |
28884.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10190].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10191].start |
28884.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10191].end |
28886.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10191].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10192].start |
28886.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10192].end |
28888.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10192].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10193].start |
28888.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10193].end |
28890.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10193].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10194].start |
28890.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10194].end |
28892.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10194].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10195].start |
28892.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10195].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[10195].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10196].start |
28894.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10196].end |
28896.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10196].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10197].start |
28896.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10197].end |
28898.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10197].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10198].start |
28898.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10198].end |
28900.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10198].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10199].start |
28900.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10199].end |
28902.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10199].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10200].start |
28902.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10200].end |
28904.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10200].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10201].start |
28904.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10201].end |
28906.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10201].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10202].start |
28906.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10202].end |
28908.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10202].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10203].start |
28908.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10203].end |
28910.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10203].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10204].start |
28910.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10204].end |
28912.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10204].text |
第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10205].start |
28897.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10205].end |
28899.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10205].text |
原第四項第一為第六項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10206].start |
28899.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10206].end |
28909.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10206].text |
第一項因訂定食品安全監測計畫與一定類別及規模因報經核定之食品業者監測計畫之內容核定程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[10207].start |
28909.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10207].end |
28917.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10207].text |
第二項因辦理檢驗之食品業者檢驗項目最低檢驗週期執行檢驗機關構法人或團體之設置及管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10208].start |
28917.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10208].end |
28923.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10208].text |
第三項指定之食品業者實驗室之設置及管理第四項與第五項通報程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[10209].start |
28923.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10209].end |
28927.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10209].text |
通報內容及其他因遵行四項之辦法由中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10210].start |
28927.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10210].end |
28929.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10210].text |
同時增列第七項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10211].start |
28929.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10211].end |
28943.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10211].text |
第一項食品安全監測計畫之核定中央主管機關得委任委託相關機關構法人或團體辦理其委任委託辦法由中央主管機關定制區同現行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10212].start |
28944.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10212].end |
28946.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10212].text |
國民黨黨團提案第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10213].start |
28948.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[10213].end |
28954.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[10213].text |
第四項第四行修正為週期與因涵蓋之污染物質項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[10214].start |
28957.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10214].end |
28966.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10214].text |
第五項起宣讀年供應量達中央主管機關公告標準之食品原料業者應符合下列加強管理要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[10215].start |
28966.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10215].end |
28975.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10215].text |
一每批次成品出廠前應完成中央主管機關公告之全項強制污染物檢驗並上傳檢驗電磁記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[10216].start |
28975.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10216].end |
28977.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10216].text |
非經檢驗合格不得出廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[10217].start |
28977.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10217].end |
28986.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10217].text |
二每半年接受中央主管機關指派或認可之第三方機構進行製程關鍵節點集合 |
| transcript.whisperx[10218].start |
28986.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10218].end |
28995.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10218].text |
三建立製程關鍵參數包括經驗溫度脫色程序脫臭時間等之即時記錄並留存至少五年 |
| transcript.whisperx[10219].start |
28995.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10219].end |
28997.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10219].text |
供主管機關隨時查閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[10220].start |
28997.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10220].end |
29003.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10220].text |
四每批次成品之出貨流向因以電子方式即時申報追溯系統不得持誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[10221].start |
29005.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10221].end |
29014.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10221].text |
食品業者自主檢驗發現出現異常時因於二四小時內向所在地直轄市縣市主管機關辦理綠色預通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[10222].start |
29014.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10222].end |
29025.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10222].text |
並同步主動停止販售販賣主管機關接獲預通報後因一第四二條至二第二項規定辦理復驗及後續處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[10223].start |
29025.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10223].end |
29035.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10223].text |
前項預通報期間主管機關及承辦人員因對業者身份與產品資訊保密不得對外公開食品業者依第六項規定辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10224].start |
29035.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10224].end |
29045.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10224].text |
預通報且積極配合主管機關後續復驗及回收者免除本法所訂之全部行政罰鍰並公開表揚其貢獻 |
| transcript.whisperx[10225].start |
29045.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10225].end |
29055.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10225].text |
知悉食品業者產品有危害衛生安全之虞而主動向主管機關通報知食品業從業人員視為本條例之檢舉者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10226].start |
29055.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10226].end |
29059.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10226].text |
適用第四三條保護規定其餘同現行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10227].start |
29059.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10227].end |
29072.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10227].text |
為郭國文等18人提案第七條增列第六項第二項之檢驗機關購法人或團體知悉食品業者檢驗結果不符規定或有提供不實材料之情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[10228].start |
29072.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10228].end |
29077.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10228].text |
因立即向直轄市縣市主管機關通報支持不得超過24小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[10229].start |
29078.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10229].end |
29090.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10229].text |
直轄市縣市主管機關於接獲前項通報後應立即進行查核並通報中央主管機關前項通報之方式及內容由中央主管機關定制區域同現行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10230].start |
29092.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10230].end |
29096.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10230].text |
為黃建豪等16人提案第七條第四項第四行修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[10231].start |
29097.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10231].end |
29100.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10231].text |
周期與因涵蓋之污染物質項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[10232].start |
29101.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10232].end |
29111.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10232].text |
第五項起針對中央主管機關公告具定規模或年供應量之食品原料供應商因遵行下列強化管理措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[10233].start |
29111.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10233].end |
29123.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10233].text |
一產品出廠前須完成中央主管機關規定之所有污染物質檢驗並將檢驗結果之電磁記錄上傳未經驗證合格者禁止出廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[10234].start |
29123.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10234].end |
29130.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10234].text |
二每半年須由中央主管機關認可至第三方機構針對製程之關鍵環節進行專案集合 |
| transcript.whisperx[10235].start |
29130.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10235].end |
29136.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10235].text |
三一及時記錄如精煉溫度脫色程序及脫臭時間等製程核心參數 |
| transcript.whisperx[10236].start |
29137.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10236].end |
29147.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10236].text |
且相關記錄須保存五年以上被查四個批次產品之出貨流向必須及時以電子化方式登錄於追溯系統嚴禁延遲通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[10237].start |
29148.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10237].end |
29157.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10237].text |
延遲申報食品業者自主檢驗發現出現異常時因二四小時內向所在地直轄市縣市主管機關辦理綠色預通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[10238].start |
29157.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10238].end |
29167.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10238].text |
並同步主動停止販賣主管機關接獲預通報後因一第四十二條之二第二項規定辦理復驗及後續處置前項預通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[10239].start |
29167.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10239].end |
29173.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10239].text |
期間主管機關及承辦人員應對業者身份與產品資訊保密不得對外公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[10240].start |
29173.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10240].end |
29184.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10240].text |
食品業者一第六項規定辦理預通報且積極配合主管機關後續復驗及回收者免除本法所定之全部行政法環並公開表揚其貢獻 |
| transcript.whisperx[10241].start |
29184.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10241].end |
29191.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10241].text |
知悉食品業者產品有危害衛生安全之予而主動向主管機關通報至食品業者從業人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10242].start |
29191.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10242].end |
29196.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10242].text |
市委本條例之檢舉者適用第四三條保護規定第二項鎖定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10243].start |
29197.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10243].end |
29208.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10243].text |
受送交之檢驗機關購法人或團體與檢出食品原材料辦成品或成品含有重大非法添加物成分時 |
| transcript.whisperx[10244].start |
29208.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10244].end |
29211.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10244].text |
因主動通報直轄市縣市主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10245].start |
29214.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10245].end |
29222.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10245].text |
前相因通報之重大非法添加物項目通報程序及其他因遵行事項之辦法由莊主管機關電子區通限刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10246].start |
29223.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10246].end |
29231.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10246].text |
文料違祥等是九人提案第七條第四項第五行修正為其公告之最低檢驗周期應依下列規定辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10247].start |
29235.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10247].end |
29245.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10247].text |
一金莊主管機關評估為具食品安全高風險之特定食品業者類別其最低檢驗周期不得少於每季一次其屬公告特定高風險品項者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10248].start |
29245.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10248].end |
29253.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10248].text |
其最低檢驗周期不得少於每月一次二本法所稱具食品安全高風險之特定食品業者類別 |
| transcript.whisperx[10249].start |
29253.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10249].end |
29259.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10249].text |
指其產製或輸入之食品食品添加物金莊主管機關基於製程複雜度 |
| transcript.whisperx[10250].start |
29259.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10250].end |
29269.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10250].text |
危害物質殘留風險消費對象之脆弱性或曾發生重大食品安全事件評估有對國民健康造成重大影響之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[10251].start |
29270.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10251].end |
29289.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10251].text |
並經公告者特定高危害風險品項由莊主管機關公告之食品業者受委託檢驗機關購法人團體及其檢驗人員於執行檢驗複驗或評管作業時發現產品原材料半成品或成品有危害人體健康之物質超過法定標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[10252].start |
29290.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10252].end |
29302.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10252].text |
因及通報直轄市縣市主管機關及莊主管機關,其通報不受營業秘密契約保密約款或僱主指示之限制,其餘同現行法。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10253].start |
29302.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10253].end |
29305.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10253].text |
文理驗秀等23人提案第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10254].start |
29305.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10254].end |
29318.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10254].text |
第三項第二項修正為設置莊主管機關指定機構之認證並莊主管機關認可之實驗室從事前項自主檢驗並逐次逐項記錄檢驗結果。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10255].start |
29318.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10255].end |
29320.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10255].text |
原第五項調整為第四項。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10256].start |
29321.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10256].end |
29331.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10256].text |
食品業者於發現產品有危害衛生安全之餘使應及主動停止製造加工販賣及辦理回收並通報直轄市縣市主管機關。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10257].start |
29333.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10257].end |
29349.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10257].text |
原第四項調整為第五項並自第四行起修正為第三項認證與認可之程序實驗室查核與自主檢驗因記錄之事項及前項有危害衛生安全之餘之判準。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10258].start |
29350.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10258].end |
29355.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10258].text |
其他相關事項由莊主管機關定制其餘同線刑法。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10259].start |
29356.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10259].end |
29359.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10259].text |
委員諾志強等17人提案第七條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10260].start |
29363.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[10260].end |
29366.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[10260].text |
委員諾志強等17人提案第七條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10261].start |
29370.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[10261].end |
29373.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[10261].text |
委員諾志強等17人提案第七條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10262].start |
29373.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[10262].end |
29376.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[10262].text |
委員諾志強等17人提案第七條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10263].start |
29380.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10263].end |
29383.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10263].text |
委員諾志強等17人提案第七條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10264].start |
29383.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10264].end |
29385.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10264].text |
國民黨黨團提案同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10265].start |
29391.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10265].end |
29394.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10265].text |
委員諾志強等16人提案第七條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10266].start |
29400.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10266].end |
29402.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10266].text |
委員林月晴等24人提案第七條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10267].start |
29402.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10267].end |
29404.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10267].text |
委員林淑芬等21人提案第七條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10268].start |
29404.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10268].end |
29407.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10268].text |
委員李坤城等18人提案第七條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10269].start |
29407.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10269].end |
29409.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10269].text |
委員黃秀芳等21人提案第七條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10270].start |
29409.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10270].end |
29411.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10270].text |
委員劉建國等19人提案第七條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10271].start |
29411.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10271].end |
29414.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10271].text |
軍語行政院提案同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10272].start |
29415.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10272].end |
29418.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10272].text |
文須與珍等20人提案第七條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10273].start |
29420.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10273].end |
29423.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10273].text |
第八項第三行。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10274].start |
29430.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10274].end |
29432.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10274].text |
刪除。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10275].start |
29434.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10275].end |
29436.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10275].text |
並向主管機關通報。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10276].start |
29436.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10276].end |
29438.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10276].text |
其餘與國民黨提案同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10277].start |
29452.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10277].end |
29454.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10277].text |
行政院提案第八條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10278].start |
29455.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10278].end |
29457.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10278].text |
第五項第二行。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10279].start |
29457.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10279].end |
29459.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10279].text |
修正。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10280].start |
29459.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10280].end |
29461.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10280].text |
並取得安全衛生管理系統之驗證。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10281].start |
29461.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10281].end |
29463.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10281].text |
第六項第二行。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10282].start |
29463.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10282].end |
29465.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10282].text |
修正為申請認證之程序。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10283].start |
29465.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10283].end |
29467.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10283].text |
第四行。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10284].start |
29467.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10284].end |
29469.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10284].text |
修正為作業程序驗證結果異常處理。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10285].start |
29469.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10285].end |
29471.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10285].text |
同時針列第五項。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10286].start |
29471.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10286].end |
29475.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10286].text |
驗證機構為執行驗證得進入食品業者之場所進行現場抽樣。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10287].start |
29475.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10287].end |
29480.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10287].text |
要求該食品業者提供樣本自主檢驗報告及相關記錄。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10288].start |
29480.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10288].end |
29484.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10288].text |
食品業者應與配合不得規避妨礙或拒絕。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10289].start |
29484.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10289].end |
29486.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10289].text |
其餘與現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10290].start |
29486.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10290].end |
29490.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10290].text |
委員吳立華等16人提案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10291].start |
29495.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10291].end |
29497.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10291].text |
委員林月晴等24人提案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10292].start |
29497.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10292].end |
29499.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10292].text |
委員林淑芬等21人提案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10293].start |
29501.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10293].end |
29503.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10293].text |
委員李坤城等18人提案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10294].start |
29503.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10294].end |
29505.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10294].text |
委員黃秀芳等21人提案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10295].start |
29505.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10295].end |
29507.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10295].text |
軍與行政院提案同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10296].start |
29511.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10296].end |
29513.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10296].text |
委員王玉明等25人提案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10297].start |
29515.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10297].end |
29517.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10297].text |
針列第六項。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10298].start |
29517.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10298].end |
29525.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10298].text |
驗證機構辦理前項驗證及追蹤查驗時應依驗證範圍及食品衛生安全風險訂定抽樣計畫。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10299].start |
29525.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10299].end |
29531.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10299].text |
對受驗證食品業者之原材料辦成品或成品辦理抽樣。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10300].start |
29531.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10300].end |
29535.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10300].text |
並將樣品送交經第37條第二項。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10301].start |
29535.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10301].end |
29544.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10301].text |
就該檢驗項目認證之檢驗機構機關構法人或團體檢驗受驗證食品業者應與配合不得規避妨礙或拒絕。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10302].start |
29544.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10302].end |
29553.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10302].text |
驗證機構於驗證追蹤查驗或前項抽驗檢驗時發現受驗證食品業者有下列重大異常情形之一者。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10303].start |
29553.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10303].end |
29561.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10303].text |
應與發現後24小時內通報莊主管機關及受驗證食品業者所在地之直轄市縣市主管機關。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10304].start |
29561.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10304].end |
29568.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10304].text |
並提供受影響產品之批次、來源流向、驗證或檢驗紀錄及其他相關資料。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10305].start |
29569.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10305].end |
29575.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10305].text |
一、原材料辦成品或成品有違反第15條第1項或第4項第16條規定之餘。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10306].start |
29575.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10306].end |
29581.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10306].text |
或有不符合第17條第18條或第19條鎖定標準之餘。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10307].start |
29581.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10307].end |
29586.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10307].text |
並有已使用於後續製程以販賣或供應之情形。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10308].start |
29586.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10308].end |
29594.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10308].text |
二、檢出進莊主管機關公告至有毒物質或有害人體健康之物質並達公告通報條件。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10309].start |
29594.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10309].end |
29603.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10309].text |
三、製程衛生安全管理系統或其紀錄有重大異常足以對食品衛生安全造成重大或廣泛影響。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10310].start |
29605.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10310].end |
29616.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10310].text |
第五項驗證應由莊主管機關認證之驗證機構辦理有關申請撤銷與廢止認證之條件或是由執行驗證之收費程序及方式。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10311].start |
29616.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10311].end |
29621.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10311].text |
第六項抽樣之風險基準計劃方法數量檢驗。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10312].start |
29622.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10312].end |
29634.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10312].text |
流量及費用前項重大異常之認定通報條件、期限方式、資料提供與保存及其他相關事項之管理辦法由莊主管機關定制其餘同線刑法。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10313].start |
29641.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10313].end |
29644.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10313].text |
為劉建國等19人提案第8條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10314].start |
29647.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10314].end |
29649.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10314].text |
第六項第四行 |
| transcript.whisperx[10315].start |
29650.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10315].end |
29655.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10315].text |
刪除驗證結果之節字其餘與行政院提案同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10316].start |
29658.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10316].end |
29660.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10316].text |
國民黨黨團提案第八條之一。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10317].start |
29660.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10317].end |
29669.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10317].text |
食品中污染物質及毒素之衛生標準由莊主管機關定制並應符合下列原則依對同一家族之複合性污染物。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10318].start |
29669.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10318].end |
29674.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10318].text |
應以歐盟或其他國家主要食品安全標準為參照。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10319].start |
29674.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10319].end |
29679.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10319].text |
訂定符合總量管制標準不得僅管制單一指標物質。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10320].start |
29679.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10320].end |
29682.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10320].text |
二、前向衛生標準制定定或修正。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10321].start |
29682.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10321].end |
29687.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10321].text |
應說明與國際標準制差異理由如較國際標準寬鬆。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10322].start |
29687.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10322].end |
29689.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10322].text |
應提出科學依據。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10323].start |
29689.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10323].end |
29692.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10323].text |
三、莊主管機關應每三年檢討。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10324].start |
29692.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10324].end |
29697.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10324].text |
案裡污染物質衛生標準制全面檢討並公告檢討結果。 |
| transcript.whisperx[10325].start |
29699.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10325].end |
29702.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10325].text |
委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10326].start |
29703.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10326].end |
29710.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10326].text |
食品中污染物質及毒素之衛生標準由莊主管機關電子病醫醫學下列規定辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10327].start |
29711.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10327].end |
29723.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10327].text |
1. 針對同一家族之複合性污染物質應參照歐盟或其他國際主要食品安全標準訂定複合總量管制標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[10328].start |
29723.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10328].end |
29731.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10328].text |
2. 前款衛生標準之訂定或修正因序名與國際標準差異之理由其標準較國際標準寬鬆針一提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[10329].start |
29731.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10329].end |
29738.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10329].text |
科學實證依據莊主管機關因每三年辦理污染物質及毒素衛生標準之全面檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[10330].start |
29738.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10330].end |
29740.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10330].text |
並將檢討結果公告知 |
| transcript.whisperx[10331].start |
29740.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10331].end |
29743.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10331].text |
委員盧志強等17人提案第8條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10332].start |
29743.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10332].end |
29746.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10332].text |
委員盧憲義等16人提案第8條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10333].start |
29746.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10333].end |
29748.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10333].text |
委員徐宇峥等20人提案第8條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10334].start |
29748.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10334].end |
29751.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10334].text |
委員徐巧芯等17人第8條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10335].start |
29751.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10335].end |
29754.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10335].text |
委員鄭天才等16人提案第8條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10336].start |
29754.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10336].end |
29756.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10336].text |
軍與國民黨黨團提案同 |
| transcript.whisperx[10337].start |
29760.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10337].end |
29762.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10337].text |
國民黨黨團提案第9條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10338].start |
29762.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10338].end |
29764.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10338].text |
修正第二項第三行 |
| transcript.whisperx[10339].start |
29764.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10339].end |
29778.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10339].text |
增列並因與每批次出貨後2小時內以電子化方式將下列資訊主動上傳裝主管機關建置之食品追溯系統以下簡稱食安雲 |
| transcript.whisperx[10340].start |
29778.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10340].end |
29781.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10340].text |
一產品名稱批號及有效日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[10341].start |
29781.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10341].end |
29786.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10341].text |
二出貨對象之名稱統一編號及地址 |
| transcript.whisperx[10342].start |
29786.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10342].end |
29788.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10342].text |
三出貨數量及日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[10343].start |
29788.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10343].end |
29792.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10343].text |
四所使用原料之主要來源國貨供應商名稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[10344].start |
29793.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10344].end |
29799.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10344].text |
同時增列第三項前項電子上傳資料格式及API介面規格 |
| transcript.whisperx[10345].start |
29799.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10345].end |
29801.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10345].text |
由裝主管機關公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[10346].start |
29801.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10346].end |
29804.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10346].text |
業者應於公告後一年內完成系統介接 |
| transcript.whisperx[10347].start |
29804.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10347].end |
29808.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10347].text |
未完成介接前得以人工方式上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[10348].start |
29808.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10348].end |
29813.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10348].text |
但應於公告滿一年後強制採自動化API介接 |
| transcript.whisperx[10349].start |
29813.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10349].end |
29815.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10349].text |
不得以人工方式替代 |
| transcript.whisperx[10350].start |
29817.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10350].end |
29825.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10350].text |
前項追溯追蹤資料中央主管機關得以查核需要整合財政部電子發票資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10351].start |
29825.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10351].end |
29831.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10351].text |
建立消費端追蹤輔助機制相關跨部會資料共享辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10352].start |
29831.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10352].end |
29834.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10352].text |
由裝主管機關會同財政部定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10353].start |
29834.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10353].end |
29839.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10353].text |
同時第一原第四五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10354].start |
29839.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10354].end |
29841.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10354].text |
同時增列第七項食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10355].start |
29841.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10355].end |
29846.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10355].text |
業者依本條規定登錄建立申報或開立之資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10356].start |
29846.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10356].end |
29848.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10356].text |
應至少保存五年 |
| transcript.whisperx[10357].start |
29851.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10357].end |
29854.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10357].text |
為黃建豪等16人提案第九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10358].start |
29855.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[10358].end |
29856.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[10358].text |
第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10359].start |
29856.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[10359].end |
29863.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[10359].text |
前項電子上傳資料格式及應用程式介面API規格由裝主管機關公告知 |
| transcript.whisperx[10360].start |
29863.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[10360].end |
29869.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[10360].text |
業者應於公告後一年內完成系統介接未完成介接前得以人工方式上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[10361].start |
29869.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[10361].end |
29873.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[10361].text |
但限期介買後應強制採行自動化介接 |
| transcript.whisperx[10362].start |
29875.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10362].end |
29878.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10362].text |
裝主管機關未立前二項系統知 |
| transcript.whisperx[10363].start |
29878.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10363].end |
29884.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10363].text |
查核得整合財政部知電子發票資料建立消費端追蹤輔助機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10364].start |
29884.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10364].end |
29891.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10364].text |
其跨部會資料共享及相關辦法由中央主管機關會同財政部定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10365].start |
29891.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10365].end |
29896.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10365].text |
其與國民黨提案通委員李彥秀等二三人提案第九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10366].start |
29897.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10366].end |
29903.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10366].text |
第四項第二行修正為追蹤及第七條第三項至自主檢驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[10367].start |
29903.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10367].end |
29907.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10367].text |
第四行修正為資料與自主檢驗至結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[10368].start |
29907.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10368].end |
29912.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10368].text |
第五行修正為頓號格式頓號規格及內容由裝主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10369].start |
29912.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10369].end |
29914.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10369].text |
其與現行打通 |
| transcript.whisperx[10370].start |
29917.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10370].end |
29920.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10370].text |
文羅志強等十七人提案第九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10371].start |
29920.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10371].end |
29923.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10371].text |
文盧憲一等十六人提案第九條委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10372].start |
29927.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10372].end |
29929.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10372].text |
徐巧芯等十七人提案第九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10373].start |
29929.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10373].end |
29932.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10373].text |
文正天才等十六人提案第九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10374].start |
29932.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10374].end |
29935.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10374].text |
均與國民黨黨團提案通 |
| transcript.whisperx[10375].start |
29940.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10375].end |
29943.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10375].text |
文徐與真等二十人提案第九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10376].start |
29943.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10376].end |
29947.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10376].text |
第四項序文修正為第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10377].start |
29947.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10377].end |
29949.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10377].text |
其與國民黨提案通 |
| transcript.whisperx[10378].start |
29949.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10378].end |
29953.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10378].text |
文王立民等二十五人提案第九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10379].start |
29953.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10379].end |
29955.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10379].text |
第四項第三行修正為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10380].start |
29956.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[10380].end |
29959.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[10380].text |
資料及足資識別批次資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10381].start |
29959.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[10381].end |
29961.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[10381].text |
裝主管機關應將前開資料與 |
| transcript.whisperx[10382].start |
29961.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[10382].end |
29966.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[10382].text |
一第七條至一第四項申報之檢驗結果及批次識別資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10383].start |
29966.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[10383].end |
29970.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[10383].text |
相互連結辦理勾集分析及異常預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[10384].start |
29972.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10384].end |
29975.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10384].text |
第五項第三行修正為批次識別方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[10385].start |
29975.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10385].end |
29979.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10385].text |
檢驗結果與來源及流向資料之連結勾集 |
| transcript.whisperx[10386].start |
29979.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10386].end |
29981.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10386].text |
其與現行法同 |
| transcript.whisperx[10387].start |
29988.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10387].end |
29991.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10387].text |
文劉建國等十九人提案第十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10388].start |
29991.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10388].end |
29995.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10388].text |
增列第二項前項衛生管理人員負責食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10389].start |
29995.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10389].end |
29999.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10389].text |
衛生管理之日常執行及內部管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10390].start |
29999.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10390].end |
30003.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10390].text |
其與第十二條及第十二條之一所定專業人員之職 |
| transcript.whisperx[10391].start |
30003.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10391].end |
30005.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10391].text |
則不得互相取代 |
| transcript.whisperx[10392].start |
30007.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10392].end |
30010.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10392].text |
其與現行法同為劉建國等十九人提案第十二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10393].start |
30010.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10393].end |
30013.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10393].text |
第一項第四行增加頓號公共衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[10394].start |
30013.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10394].end |
30019.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10394].text |
同時增列第二項前項食品業者應配置之專業人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10395].start |
30019.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10395].end |
30025.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10395].text |
應依食品業者之業別規模及風險程度配置食品技師 |
| transcript.whisperx[10396].start |
30025.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10396].end |
30031.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10396].text |
公共衛生師及其他金裝主管機關認定之相關專業人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10397].start |
30032.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10397].end |
30038.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10397].text |
第三項食品技師主要負責食品製程安全食品品質管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10398].start |
30038.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10398].end |
30043.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10398].text |
危害分析食品安全管制系統及食品技術風險管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10399].start |
30043.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10399].end |
30048.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10399].text |
公共衛生師主要負責食品安全健康風險調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[10400].start |
30048.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10400].end |
30054.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10400].text |
食品暴露分析流行病學分析環境健康風險評估及健康影響評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[10401].start |
30055.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[10401].end |
30059.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[10401].text |
同時第一原第二項至第四項修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[10402].start |
30059.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10402].end |
30063.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10402].text |
為前項應聘用專業人員之設置配置比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[10403].start |
30064.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10403].end |
30066.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10403].text |
其餘現行法通 |
| transcript.whisperx[10404].start |
30067.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10404].end |
30070.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10404].text |
文靈建國等19人提案第12條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10405].start |
30071.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10405].end |
30078.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10405].text |
金裝主管機關公告知高風險食品業者一定規模以上食品業者或特定食品業別 |
| transcript.whisperx[10406].start |
30078.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10406].end |
30082.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10406].text |
應就食品安全管理計劃及其執行情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[10407].start |
30082.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10407].end |
30087.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10407].text |
取得食品安全專業簽證前項專業簽證因醫事項性質 |
| transcript.whisperx[10408].start |
30087.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10408].end |
30093.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10408].text |
由食品技師公共衛生師或其他依法具備專業資格之人員辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10409].start |
30093.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10409].end |
30098.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10409].text |
設置設計食品製程食品品質及食品技術風險者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10410].start |
30098.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10410].end |
30104.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10410].text |
應有食品技師簽證設計食品鋪路流行病學健康風險及健康影響評估者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10411].start |
30104.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10411].end |
30111.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10411].text |
應有公共衛生師簽證設計食品製程安全與人體健康風險之重大貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[10412].start |
30111.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10412].end |
30115.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10412].text |
高風險事項應有食品技師或公共衛生師共同簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[10413].start |
30115.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10413].end |
30120.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10413].text |
前項應辦理專業簽證之食品業者類別規模風險分級 |
| transcript.whisperx[10414].start |
30120.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10414].end |
30125.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10414].text |
簽證事項簽證方式有效期間及其他應遵行事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10415].start |
30125.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10415].end |
30127.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10415].text |
由金裝主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10416].start |
30128.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10416].end |
30131.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10416].text |
文劉建國等是九人提案第十二條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[10417].start |
30131.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10417].end |
30136.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10417].text |
前項食品業者應配置之專業人員應依食品業者之業別 |
| transcript.whisperx[10418].start |
30137.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10418].end |
30145.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10418].text |
規模及風險程度配置食品技師公共衛生師或其他金裝主管機關認定之相關專業人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10419].start |
30145.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10419].end |
30151.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10419].text |
食品技師負責食品製程安全食品品質管理危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[10420].start |
30151.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10420].end |
30156.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10420].text |
食品安全管制系統及食品技術風險管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10421].start |
30156.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10421].end |
30160.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10421].text |
公共衛生師負責食品安全健康風險調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[10422].start |
30160.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10422].end |
30163.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10422].text |
食品鋪路分析流行病學分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[10423].start |
30163.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10423].end |
30166.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10423].text |
環境健康風險評估及健康影響評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[10424].start |
30167.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10424].end |
30174.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10424].text |
金裝主管機關公告之高風險食品業者一定規模以上食品業者或特定食品業別 |
| transcript.whisperx[10425].start |
30174.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10425].end |
30180.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10425].text |
應就食品安全管理計劃及其執行情形取得食品安全專業簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[10426].start |
30180.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10426].end |
30188.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10426].text |
前項專業簽證因事項性質由食品技師公共衛生師或其他依法具備專業資格之人員辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10427].start |
30188.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10427].end |
30193.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10427].text |
設計食品製程食品品質及食品技術風險者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10428].start |
30193.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10428].end |
30202.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10428].text |
應有食品技師簽證設計食品評估流行病學健康風險及健康影響評估者應由公共衛生師簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[10429].start |
30202.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10429].end |
30212.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10429].text |
設計食品製程安全與人體健康風險之重大或高風險事項應由食品技師及公共衛生師共同簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[10430].start |
30212.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10430].end |
30218.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10430].text |
前項應辦理專業簽證之食品業者類別規模風險分級簽證事項簽證方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[10431].start |
30218.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10431].end |
30223.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10431].text |
有效期間及其他遵循事項由莊主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10432].start |
30223.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10432].end |
30227.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10432].text |
辦理前條專業簽證之專業人員應依其風險範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[10433].start |
30227.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10433].end |
30235.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10433].text |
就食品安全管理計畫風險評估風險控制措施及其執行情形進行審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[10434].start |
30235.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10434].end |
30240.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10434].text |
確認符合相關法令及專業規範後時的簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[10435].start |
30240.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10435].end |
30245.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10435].text |
專業簽證人員對其簽證範圍內之專業事項應負專業責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[10436].start |
30246.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10436].end |
30254.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10436].text |
專業簽證人員執行業務時發現食品業者有重大食品安全風險或可能危害人體健康之情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[10437].start |
30254.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10437].end |
30259.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10437].text |
應要求業者限期改善清潔重大者應依規定通報主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10438].start |
30259.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10438].end |
30266.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10438].text |
前項通報專業責任簽證記錄保存及其他應遵循事項由莊主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10439].start |
30268.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10439].end |
30271.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10439].text |
文流建國等市9人提案第12條至3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10440].start |
30273.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10440].end |
30280.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10440].text |
莊主管機關應依食品業者之業別規模產品特性消費族群食品危害程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[10441].start |
30280.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10441].end |
30286.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10441].text |
供應鏈複雜程度及歷史違規情形建立食品安全風險分級管理制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[10442].start |
30287.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10442].end |
30293.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10442].text |
前項風險分級得分為一般風險、中度風險及高度風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[10443].start |
30293.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10443].end |
30297.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10443].text |
一般風險食品業者以自主管理及政府監督為原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[10444].start |
30297.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10444].end |
30301.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10444].text |
中度風險食品業者應配置食品安全專業人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10445].start |
30301.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10445].end |
30308.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10445].text |
高度風險食品業者應依第12條之一規定辦理食品安全專業簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[10446].start |
30308.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10446].end |
30313.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10446].text |
高度風險食品業者涉及食品製程安全及人體健康風險評估者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10447].start |
30313.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10447].end |
30317.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10447].text |
應有食品技師及公共衛生師共同辦理專業簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[10448].start |
30317.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10448].end |
30323.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10448].text |
前四項風險分級之認定基準專業人員配置及其他相關事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10449].start |
30323.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10449].end |
30325.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10449].text |
由莊主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10450].start |
30325.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10450].end |
30327.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10450].text |
接著宣讀第15條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10451].start |
30329.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10451].end |
30333.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10451].text |
委員葛如金等20人提案第15條新增第6項文字如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10452].start |
30333.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10452].end |
30339.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10452].text |
若違反第1項情形中央中央機關應立即整合並公布追溯或追蹤系統資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10453].start |
30339.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10453].end |
30344.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10453].text |
以供查詢並令其市售產品於20小時內下架3日內回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[10454].start |
30344.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10454].end |
30349.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10454].text |
於同線刑法委員羅恩蒂芬德17人提案第15條新增第6項文字為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10455].start |
30349.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10455].end |
30353.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10455].text |
國內外各地方主管機關依科學實證 |
| transcript.whisperx[10456].start |
30353.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10456].end |
30360.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10456].text |
與監測發生第1項第6款食品中原子塵或礦石能污染超過安全容許量之標準案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[10457].start |
30360.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10457].end |
30369.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10457].text |
應立即停止該產區該類食物及其加工地韓非該產區等相關食品進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[10458].start |
30369.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10458].end |
30376.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10458].text |
國內經確認由此個案政府應負照護責任並主動向廠商及出去相關證明文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[10459].start |
30376.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10459].end |
30379.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10459].text |
國家請求損害賠償於同線刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10460].start |
30379.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10460].end |
30386.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10460].text |
文王一名等17人提案第15條新增第6項第一句句末原知情行修正為行行者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10461].start |
30386.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10461].end |
30393.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10461].text |
第二句文字修正為立即會診並公布追溯或追蹤系統相關資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10462].start |
30393.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10462].end |
30399.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10462].text |
第三句文字修正為並令該市售產品與通文格如軍等提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10463].start |
30401.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10463].end |
30403.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10463].text |
多謝您收睇時局新聞,再會! |
| transcript.whisperx[10464].start |
30404.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10464].end |
30410.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10464].text |
羅志強等17人提案文石玉珍等20人提案文徐巧芯等17人提案文鄭天才等16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10465].start |
30410.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10465].end |
30416.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10465].text |
第22條暫定第10款文字為主要原料知原產帝國原第10款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10466].start |
30418.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10466].end |
30420.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10466].text |
第1為第11款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10467].start |
30420.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10467].end |
30422.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10467].text |
第5項新增文字乳上 |
| transcript.whisperx[10468].start |
30423.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10468].end |
30433.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10468].text |
第1項第10款說稱主要原料只佔食品種種料50%以上或依其性質足以影響消費者知情權益選擇權之特定核心原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10469].start |
30433.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10469].end |
30440.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10469].text |
其品項標示方式與稀產地防範基準油裝主管機關定制於同線刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10470].start |
30440.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10470].end |
30443.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10470].text |
文章加俊等28人提案文石玉珍等16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10471].start |
30443.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10471].end |
30446.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10471].text |
第22條修正第1項第10款文字如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10472].start |
30446.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10472].end |
30447.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10472].text |
文字如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10473].start |
30447.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10473].end |
30452.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10473].text |
內容物主成分屬農產品者其原料知原產帝國 |
| transcript.whisperx[10474].start |
30454.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10474].end |
30460.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10474].text |
修正第1項第10款文字如下其他金裝主管機關公告事項與同線刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10475].start |
30460.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10475].end |
30465.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10475].text |
文書清全等23人提案第22條修正第1項第10款文字如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10476].start |
30465.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10476].end |
30476.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10476].text |
含有已行受體數食品及食品原料知容器或外包裝因明顯字體標註在食品或食品原料品牌名稱下方 |
| transcript.whisperx[10477].start |
30476.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10477].end |
30479.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10477].text |
其產品銷售陳列行列位置應有明顯 |
| transcript.whisperx[10478].start |
30480.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10478].end |
30482.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10478].text |
告示牌字體告示 |
| transcript.whisperx[10479].start |
30483.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10479].end |
30485.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10479].text |
含有已行受體數 |
| transcript.whisperx[10480].start |
30485.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[10480].end |
30487.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[10480].text |
原第10款第1為第11款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10481].start |
30489.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10481].end |
30498.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10481].text |
修正第3項文字為第1項第8款至第10款標示之因遵行事項有中央主管機關公告之與同線刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10482].start |
30498.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10482].end |
30509.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10482].text |
文5少林等17人提案第22條第1項第10款為含已行受體數真肉品及其相關產製品原第10款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10483].start |
30509.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10483].end |
30516.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10483].text |
第1為第11款修正第3項文字為第1項第8款第9款及第10款標示之 |
| transcript.whisperx[10484].start |
30516.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10484].end |
30521.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10484].text |
因遵行事項牛裝主管機關公告之與同線刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10485].start |
30521.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10485].end |
30532.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10485].text |
文羅志強調9人提案文王玉米等17人提案文黃千豪等16人提案第22條修正第1項第10款含已行受體數原第10款第1為第11款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10486].start |
30533.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10486].end |
30542.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10486].text |
與同維翁少林等提案文盧明哲等16人提案第22條修正第1項第10款為含已行受體數真肉品及其相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10487].start |
30543.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10487].end |
30551.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10487].text |
產製品應高市健康風險盡予及僅是圖樣原第10款第1為第11款與同線刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10488].start |
30553.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10488].end |
30559.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10488].text |
文林千傑等19人提案第2項條修正第1項第6款文字為原產帝國 |
| transcript.whisperx[10489].start |
30564.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[10489].end |
30579.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[10489].text |
肉類者應標示該肉類原產帝國與同線刑法文王之豪的23天第22條修正第1項第10款為食用注意事項或嬰幼兒食品等其他警語原第10款第1為第11款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10490].start |
30581.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10490].end |
30584.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10490].text |
第1項第8款第10款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10491].start |
30585.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10491].end |
30587.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10491].text |
標示之應遵行事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10492].start |
30587.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10492].end |
30590.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10492].text |
由中央主管機關公告之與同線刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10493].start |
30591.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10493].end |
30593.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10493].text |
為劉鎮國等19人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10494].start |
30593.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10494].end |
30596.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10494].text |
第22條修正第1項第2款文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[10495].start |
30596.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10495].end |
30603.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10495].text |
如下原產帝國加工食品應標示其主要食品原料之原產帝國 |
| transcript.whisperx[10496].start |
30603.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10496].end |
30610.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10496].text |
第2項前項第2款內容物之主成分應標明所佔百分比 |
| transcript.whisperx[10497].start |
30610.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10497].end |
30614.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10497].text |
並因標示之產品主成分項目標示內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[10498].start |
30615.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10498].end |
30619.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10498].text |
方式及各該產品實施日期由中央主管機關令定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10499].start |
30619.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10499].end |
30621.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10499].text |
第3項文就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[10500].start |
30621.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10500].end |
30628.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10500].text |
第1項第6款所稱主要食品原料其認定標示內容標示方式適用範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[10501].start |
30629.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10501].end |
30637.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10501].text |
問何原料之標示方式品名標示或宣稱涉及特定食品原料之標示規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10502].start |
30637.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10502].end |
30641.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10502].text |
及其他與主要食品原料來源標示有關之 |
| transcript.whisperx[10503].start |
30641.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10503].end |
30645.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10503].text |
應遵行事項由中央主管機關定制與同線刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10504].start |
30646.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10504].end |
30648.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10504].text |
委員黃靜豪等續留言提案第22條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10505].start |
30648.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10505].end |
30652.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10505].text |
修正內項第10款為主要原料之原產帝國 |
| transcript.whisperx[10506].start |
30653.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10506].end |
30662.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10506].text |
原第10款第1為第11款修正第5項文字為第1項第10款所稱主要原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10507].start |
30662.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10507].end |
30670.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10507].text |
只佔食品總重量50%以上或依其性質足以影響消費者知情權或選擇權制特定核心原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10508].start |
30670.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10508].end |
30676.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10508].text |
其適用品項標示方式及防範原產帝包事實不實之基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[10509].start |
30676.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10509].end |
30682.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10509].text |
由中央主管機關定制與同線刑法文爐現一等16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10510].start |
30681.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[10510].end |
30684.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[10510].text |
第22條修正第1項第6款為原產帝國 |
| transcript.whisperx[10511].start |
30686.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10511].end |
30692.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10511].text |
原料原產帝標示方式認定標準及其他應遵行事項之辦法由中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10512].start |
30692.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10512].end |
30693.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10512].text |
修正第1項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10513].start |
30693.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10513].end |
30701.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10513].text |
第10款文字如下主要原料之原產帝國修正第1項第11款文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[10514].start |
30702.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10514].end |
30707.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10514].text |
食品品名包裝宣稱或其廣告設計原住民族特定部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[10515].start |
30708.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10515].end |
30711.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10515].text |
原鄉地區或原住民族傳統特色 |
| transcript.whisperx[10516].start |
30711.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10516].end |
30718.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10516].text |
農產品者其核心原料因明確標示其原產地區行政區域或部落名稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[10517].start |
30718.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10517].end |
30732.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10517].text |
非使用台灣原鄉地區生產之同品類原料者不得以品名包裝宣稱或廣告中使用原鄉部落或原住民族特色傳統特色農產品滋養 |
| transcript.whisperx[10518].start |
30733.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10518].end |
30745.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10518].text |
前段所真原住民族傳統特色農產品之品項認定基準及標示辦法由中央主管機關會同中央原住民族主管機關定制原第11款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10519].start |
30747.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10519].end |
30757.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10519].text |
第12款新增第5項第1項第10款所稱主要原料只佔食品種種量50%以上或以其性質 |
| transcript.whisperx[10520].start |
30757.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10520].end |
30769.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10520].text |
足以影響消費者知情權或選擇權之特定核心原料其品項標示方式及席選地防範基準由中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10521].start |
30769.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10521].end |
30771.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10521].text |
為那我想等18人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10522].start |
30771.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10522].end |
30780.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10522].text |
第24條修正第一項第10款文字為具有乙型受體素食品添加物支援料原第11款第一為第11款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10523].start |
30781.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10523].end |
30797.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10523].text |
修正第二項文字為食品添加物支援料不受前項第3款第7款及第9款之限制前項第3款食品添加物支香料成分第9款及第10款標示因遵行事項由中央主管機關公告之魚頭現行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10524].start |
30798.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10524].end |
30802.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10524].text |
為羅志強的2900案第24條修正第一項第10款文字為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10525].start |
30804.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10525].end |
30821.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10525].text |
含乙型受體素食品添加物支援料原第10款第一為第11款魚頭現行法文黃金豪等學論提案第24條修正第一項第10款文字為含乙型受體素支食品添加物及其原料修正第二項第三句文字為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10526].start |
30822.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10526].end |
30827.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10526].text |
香料成分及第9款東號第10款標示魚頭為原 |
| transcript.whisperx[10527].start |
30828.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[10527].end |
30829.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[10527].text |
那我想等提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10528].start |
30830.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10528].end |
30837.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10528].text |
文王玉明等17人提案第24條第二項第3句文字修正為香料成分東號第9款及 |
| transcript.whisperx[10529].start |
30837.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10529].end |
30843.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10529].text |
甄烈第4項文字為第5款警標是國內複折廠商名稱者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10530].start |
30844.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10530].end |
30852.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10530].text |
英槍製造廠商受託製造廠商或輸入廠商之名稱電話碼機地址通報轄區主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10531].start |
30853.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10531].end |
30863.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10531].text |
主管機關應開放其主管機關其他主管機關共同查閱魚頭尾黃金豪等提案文盧新等16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10532].start |
30863.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10532].end |
30866.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10532].text |
第24條就認第一項第8款文字為原 |
| transcript.whisperx[10533].start |
30867.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10533].end |
30872.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10533].text |
產帝國金家公貨混配之食品添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[10534].start |
30873.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10534].end |
30884.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10534].text |
除最終製造地外應一併標示其具有功能性之主要化學成分或天然提取物資原產帝國與同現行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10535].start |
30887.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10535].end |
30889.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10535].text |
文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文章為上等示範提案文 |
| transcript.whisperx[10536].start |
30889.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10536].end |
30892.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10536].text |
羅志強的二十九天為王一民等十七天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10537].start |
30892.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10537].end |
30894.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10537].text |
第二十五條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10538].start |
30894.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10538].end |
30895.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10538].text |
文字修正如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10539].start |
30895.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10539].end |
30899.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10539].text |
莊主很機關得對直接供應飲食支場所 |
| transcript.whisperx[10540].start |
30899.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10540].end |
30902.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10540].text |
就其供應之特定食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10541].start |
30902.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10541].end |
30905.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10541].text |
要求以中文標示原產地及其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[10542].start |
30905.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10542].end |
30907.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10542].text |
應標示事項對特定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10543].start |
30907.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10543].end |
30909.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10543].text |
散裝食品販賣者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10544].start |
30909.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10544].end |
30912.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[10544].text |
得就其販賣之地點方式予以限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10545].start |
30913.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10545].end |
30915.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10545].text |
或要求以中文標示品名 |
| transcript.whisperx[10546].start |
30916.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10546].end |
30917.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[10546].text |
原產地 |
| transcript.whisperx[10547].start |
30918.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10547].end |
30921.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10547].text |
基因改造食品原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10548].start |
30921.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10548].end |
30922.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10548].text |
含乙型受體素 |
| transcript.whisperx[10549].start |
30922.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10549].end |
30924.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[10549].text |
製造日期或有效日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[10550].start |
30924.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[10550].end |
30927.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[10550].text |
其他其他應標示事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10551].start |
30927.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[10551].end |
30930.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10551].text |
國內通過農產品生產驗證者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10552].start |
30930.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10552].end |
30933.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10552].text |
應標示可追溯之來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[10553].start |
30933.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10553].end |
30937.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10553].text |
由中央農業主管機關公告之生產系統者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10554].start |
30937.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10554].end |
30939 |
| transcript.whisperx[10554].text |
應標示生產系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[10555].start |
30939 |
| transcript.whisperx[10555].end |
30940.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10555].text |
與同線行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10556].start |
30940.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10556].end |
30942.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10556].text |
為黃清浩等十六人提案第二十五條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10557].start |
30942.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10557].end |
30943.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10557].text |
修正第一項第二句 |
| transcript.whisperx[10558].start |
30943.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10558].end |
30946.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10558].text |
以中文標示原產地等號 |
| transcript.whisperx[10559].start |
30946.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10559].end |
30947.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10559].text |
含乙型受體素 |
| transcript.whisperx[10560].start |
30947.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10560].end |
30948.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10560].text |
製食品或食品原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10561].start |
30948.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10561].end |
30950 |
| transcript.whisperx[10561].text |
或食品添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[10562].start |
30950 |
| transcript.whisperx[10562].end |
30950.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10562].text |
修正第三句 |
| transcript.whisperx[10563].start |
30950.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10563].end |
30952.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[10563].text |
含乙型受體素 |
| transcript.whisperx[10564].start |
30952.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[10564].end |
30953.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10564].text |
製食品或食品原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10565].start |
30953.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10565].end |
30954.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10565].text |
或食品添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[10566].start |
30954.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10566].end |
30957.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10566].text |
與同委員廖偉祥等十八人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10567].start |
30957.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10567].end |
30957.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10567].text |
吳仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[10568].start |
30957.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10568].end |
30959.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[10568].text |
盧憲義等十六人提案第二十五條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10569].start |
30959.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[10569].end |
30961.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10569].text |
修正第二項文字為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10570].start |
30961.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10570].end |
30963.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10570].text |
前項特定食品品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10571].start |
30963.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10571].end |
30965.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[10571].text |
應標示食項方法及範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[10572].start |
30965.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[10572].end |
30968.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10572].text |
與特定散裝食品品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10573].start |
30968.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10573].end |
30970.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[10573].text |
限制方式及應標示食項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10574].start |
30970.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[10574].end |
30972.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10574].text |
由中央主管機關公告之 |
| transcript.whisperx[10575].start |
30972.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10575].end |
30974.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10575].text |
其公告之特定食品或散裝食品品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10576].start |
30974.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10576].end |
30978.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10576].text |
中央主管機關依依食品安全風險程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[10577].start |
30978.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10577].end |
30980.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10577].text |
優先將大宗進口之 |
| transcript.whisperx[10578].start |
30980.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10578].end |
30982.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10578].text |
農畜水產加工品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10579].start |
30982.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10579].end |
30984.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10579].text |
納入強制標示範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[10580].start |
30984.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10580].end |
30985.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10580].text |
這些供應飲食之 |
| transcript.whisperx[10581].start |
30985.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10581].end |
30988.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10581].text |
場所或散裝食品販賣者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10582].start |
30988.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10582].end |
30991.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10582].text |
其供應或販賣之食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10583].start |
30991.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10583].end |
30993.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10583].text |
與品項菜單文宣 |
| transcript.whisperx[10584].start |
30993.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10584].end |
30996.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10584].text |
攤位告示或廣告中 |
| transcript.whisperx[10585].start |
30996.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10585].end |
30998.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10585].text |
涉及原住民族特定部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[10586].start |
30998.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10586].end |
31001.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10586].text |
原鄉地區或原住民族傳統特色農產品者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10587].start |
31001.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10587].end |
31004.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10587].text |
其供應料應為臺灣原產 |
| transcript.whisperx[10588].start |
31004.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10588].end |
31007.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10588].text |
並明確標示其原產地址 |
| transcript.whisperx[10589].start |
31007.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[10589].end |
31009.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10589].text |
行政區域或部落營村 |
| transcript.whisperx[10590].start |
31009.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10590].end |
31012.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10590].text |
而非使用原鄉地區生產之 |
| transcript.whisperx[10591].start |
31013.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[10591].end |
31015.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10591].text |
同品名原料者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10592].start |
31015.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10592].end |
31016.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10592].text |
不得使用前述 |
| transcript.whisperx[10593].start |
31016.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10593].end |
31020.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10593].text |
涉及原鄉或原住民族傳統之字樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[10594].start |
31020.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10594].end |
31020.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10594].text |
與同現行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10595].start |
31022.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10595].end |
31023.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10595].text |
文黃就好的23條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10596].start |
31023.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10596].end |
31024.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10596].text |
第28條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10597].start |
31024.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10597].end |
31026.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10597].text |
正第1天是向文志維 |
| transcript.whisperx[10598].start |
31027.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10598].end |
31032.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10598].text |
食品未符合各類嬰幼兒食品之食品安全衛生標準者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10599].start |
31032.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10599].end |
31033.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[10599].text |
其容器或外包裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10600].start |
31033.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[10600].end |
31037.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10600].text |
不得以文字圖像符號包裝設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[10601].start |
31037.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10601].end |
31039.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10601].text |
或其他逐一使人誤認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10602].start |
31039.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10602].end |
31042.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10602].text |
嬰幼兒食品之方式標示或呈現 |
| transcript.whisperx[10603].start |
31043.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10603].end |
31044.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10603].text |
標示裝置晚期觀德公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[10604].start |
31044.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10604].end |
31048.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10604].text |
並加註非屬嬰幼兒食品之警語或說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[10605].start |
31048.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10605].end |
31050.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10605].text |
原第3項第4項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10606].start |
31052.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10606].end |
31054.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10606].text |
第1為第4項第5項於同現行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10607].start |
31055.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10607].end |
31056.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10607].text |
文王玉米等19天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10608].start |
31056.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10608].end |
31059.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10608].text |
第28條修正第1項第3句文字圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[10609].start |
31059.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10609].end |
31059.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[10609].text |
分號 |
| transcript.whisperx[10610].start |
31060.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10610].end |
31064.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10610].text |
食品未符合公嬰幼兒食用相關規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10611].start |
31064.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10611].end |
31067.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10611].text |
亦不得以任何方式表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[10612].start |
31067.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10612].end |
31071.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10612].text |
暗示或使人誤認為其適合公嬰幼兒食用 |
| transcript.whisperx[10613].start |
31071.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10613].end |
31073.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10613].text |
新增第3項第1句文字圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[10614].start |
31073.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10614].end |
31076.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10614].text |
食品糖、辣或飽和脂肪 |
| transcript.whisperx[10615].start |
31076.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10615].end |
31079.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10615].text |
至任何含量達中央中央機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10616].start |
31079.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10616].end |
31080.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10616].text |
公告急轉之食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10617].start |
31080.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10617].end |
31084.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[10617].text |
公嬰幼兒食用之食品或亦使人 |
| transcript.whisperx[10618].start |
31084.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10618].end |
31087.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10618].text |
誤認適合公嬰幼兒食用之食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10619].start |
31087.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10619].end |
31092.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10619].text |
得先知其促銷廣告或其他行銷方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[10620].start |
31092.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10620].end |
31096.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10620].text |
並得要求加註必要警語或揭露營養資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10621].start |
31096.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10621].end |
31100.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[10621].text |
其食品之項目促銷廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[10622].start |
31100.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[10622].end |
31102.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10622].text |
其他行銷方式必要警語 |
| transcript.whisperx[10623].start |
31103.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10623].end |
31105.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10623].text |
營養資訊揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[10624].start |
31106.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10624].end |
31108.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10624].text |
原第3項第4項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10625].start |
31108.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10625].end |
31110.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10625].text |
第1為第4項第5項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10626].start |
31110.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10626].end |
31111.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10626].text |
於通現行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10627].start |
31112.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10627].end |
31113.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10627].text |
國民黨黨團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[10628].start |
31114.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10628].end |
31116.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10628].text |
羅志強等17天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10629].start |
31116.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10629].end |
31117.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10629].text |
委員許宇禎等20天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10630].start |
31117.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10630].end |
31119.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10630].text |
委員徐少卿等17天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10631].start |
31119.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10631].end |
31121.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10631].text |
委員鄭天才等16天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10632].start |
31121.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10632].end |
31121.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10632].text |
第3項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10633].start |
31121.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10633].end |
31123.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10633].text |
第4項文字圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[10634].start |
31123.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10634].end |
31126.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10634].text |
第1項不時誇張或一聲誤解 |
| transcript.whisperx[10635].start |
31126.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10635].end |
31127.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10635].text |
與第2項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10636].start |
31128.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10636].end |
31130.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10636].text |
醫療效能之認定基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[10637].start |
31130.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10637].end |
31133.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10637].text |
宣傳或廣告之內容方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[10638].start |
31133.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10638].end |
31136.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10638].text |
及其他應遵行事項之準則 |
| transcript.whisperx[10639].start |
31136.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10639].end |
31137.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10639].text |
由中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10640].start |
31137.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10640].end |
31139.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10640].text |
與通現行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10641].start |
31139.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10641].end |
31141.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10641].text |
由黃金豪等事六天提案第30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10642].start |
31141.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10642].end |
31143.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10642].text |
增列第4項文字五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10643].start |
31144.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[10643].end |
31145.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10643].text |
輸入至精英改造 |
| transcript.whisperx[10644].start |
31145.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10644].end |
31148.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10644].text |
或經中央農業主管機關公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[10645].start |
31149.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10645].end |
31151.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10645].text |
指定之那種農產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10646].start |
31151.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10646].end |
31152.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10646].text |
應於邊境實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[10647].start |
31152.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10647].end |
31154.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10647].text |
逐批或逐傳茶葉 |
| transcript.whisperx[10648].start |
31154.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10648].end |
31155.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10648].text |
不得適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[10649].start |
31156.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10649].end |
31159.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10649].text |
防範風險而調降茶葉律之規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10650].start |
31159.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10650].end |
31161.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10650].text |
與通現行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10651].start |
31161.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10651].end |
31162.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10651].text |
委員盧志強等17天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10652].start |
31162.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10652].end |
31163.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10652].text |
委員徐宇蓁等20天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10653].start |
31163.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10653].end |
31165.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10653].text |
委員徐小卿等17天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10654].start |
31165.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10654].end |
31167.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10654].text |
委員鄭天才等16天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10655].start |
31167.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10655].end |
31168.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10655].text |
第3項增列第4項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10656].start |
31168.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10656].end |
31169.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10656].text |
第1項文字圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[10657].start |
31170.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10657].end |
31171.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10657].text |
基金農業不指定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10658].start |
31172.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10658].end |
31174.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10658].text |
與通委員黃金豪等提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10659].start |
31174.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10659].end |
31176.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10659].text |
委員盧憲義等16天提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10660].start |
31176.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10660].end |
31178.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10660].text |
第30條增列第2項文字圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[10661].start |
31178.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10661].end |
31179.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10661].text |
執行前項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10662].start |
31180.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10662].end |
31181.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10662].text |
茶葉 |
| transcript.whisperx[10663].start |
31181.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10663].end |
31182.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10663].text |
茶葉機 |
| transcript.whisperx[10664].start |
31184.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10664].end |
31185.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10664].text |
績效優良職業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10665].start |
31185.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10665].end |
31187.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10665].text |
中央主管機關得採取 |
| transcript.whisperx[10666].start |
31187.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10666].end |
31188.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10666].text |
優惠制措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[10667].start |
31188.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10667].end |
31190.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10667].text |
中央主管機關應定其惠整前項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10668].start |
31190.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10668].end |
31193.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10668].text |
輸入食品茶葉制風險資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10669].start |
31193.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10669].end |
31194.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10669].text |
與不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[10670].start |
31194.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10670].end |
31196.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10670].text |
邊境攔截紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[10671].start |
31196.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10671].end |
31197.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10671].text |
主動通報並對 |
| transcript.whisperx[10672].start |
31197.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10672].end |
31198.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10672].text |
並對接 |
| transcript.whisperx[10673].start |
31198.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10673].end |
31199.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10673].text |
地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10674].start |
31200.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10674].end |
31201.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10674].text |
針對長期主要流入 |
| transcript.whisperx[10675].start |
31201.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10675].end |
31203.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10675].text |
原住民族地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[10676].start |
31203.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10676].end |
31205.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10676].text |
偏遠地區消費市場支 |
| transcript.whisperx[10677].start |
31205.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10677].end |
31206.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10677].text |
低價輸入食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10678].start |
31206.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10678].end |
31208.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10678].text |
中央主管機關應提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[10679].start |
31208.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10679].end |
31210.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10679].text |
邊境抽菸比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[10680].start |
31210.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10680].end |
31212.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10680].text |
並加強特定高風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[10681].start |
31213.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10681].end |
31214.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10681].text |
項目之檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[10682].start |
31214.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10682].end |
31215.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10682].text |
余同委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10683].start |
31216.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10683].end |
31217.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10683].text |
羅志強等提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10684].start |
31218.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10684].end |
31220.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10684].text |
委員黃家浩等23天 |
| transcript.whisperx[10685].start |
31220.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10685].end |
31222.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10685].text |
增訂第30 |
| transcript.whisperx[10686].start |
31222.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10686].end |
31223.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10686].text |
一條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10687].start |
31223.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10687].end |
31225.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10687].text |
輸入食品對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[10688].start |
31225.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10688].end |
31226.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10688].text |
辦理茶宴時 |
| transcript.whisperx[10689].start |
31226.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10689].end |
31227.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[10689].text |
其輸入來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[10690].start |
31227.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[10690].end |
31229.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[10690].text |
國資食品安全衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[10691].start |
31229.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[10691].end |
31230.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10691].text |
或品質相關標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[10692].start |
31230.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10692].end |
31232.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[10692].text |
於我國食品安全衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[10693].start |
31232.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[10693].end |
31233.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10693].text |
管理法令所訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[10694].start |
31234.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10694].end |
31235.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10694].text |
標準不一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[10695].start |
31235.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10695].end |
31236.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10695].text |
或較為寬鬆者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10696].start |
31236.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10696].end |
31238.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10696].text |
應適用我國食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10697].start |
31238.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10697].end |
31240.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10697].text |
安全衛生管理法令之規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10698].start |
31242.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10698].end |
31243.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10698].text |
前向情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[10699].start |
31243.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10699].end |
31243.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10699].text |
或有必要者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10700].start |
31243.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[10700].end |
31245.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10700].text |
專注於機關得命 |
| transcript.whisperx[10701].start |
31245.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10701].end |
31247.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10701].text |
食品業者或其代理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[10702].start |
31247.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10702].end |
31249.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10702].text |
與指定期限內 |
| transcript.whisperx[10703].start |
31249.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10703].end |
31250.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10703].text |
提出符合我國食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10704].start |
31252.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10704].end |
31253.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10704].text |
安全衛生管理法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[10705].start |
31253.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10705].end |
31255.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10705].text |
相關規定之 |
| transcript.whisperx[10706].start |
31255.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10706].end |
31256.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10706].text |
檢驗報告或 |
| transcript.whisperx[10707].start |
31256.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10707].end |
31257.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10707].text |
相關證明文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[10708].start |
31257.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10708].end |
31258.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[10708].text |
使得遵於輸入 |
| transcript.whisperx[10709].start |
31260.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10709].end |
31262.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10709].text |
為王育民的25人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10710].start |
31290.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10710].end |
31293.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[10710].text |
與其認證範圍內支 |
| transcript.whisperx[10711].start |
31293.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[10711].end |
31294.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10711].text |
接受食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10712].start |
31294.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10712].end |
31296.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10712].text |
委託辦理檢驗者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10713].start |
31296.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10713].end |
31299.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10713].text |
誇回下稱受託者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10714].start |
31299.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10714].end |
31301.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10714].text |
應依委託者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10715].start |
31301.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10715].end |
31302.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10715].text |
提供資資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10716].start |
31302.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[10716].end |
31304.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10716].text |
記錄檢驗用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[10717].start |
31304.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10717].end |
31305.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10717].text |
受檢樣品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10718].start |
31305.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10718].end |
31307.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10718].text |
所代表之原材料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10719].start |
31307.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10719].end |
31308.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[10719].text |
半成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10720].start |
31308.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[10720].end |
31312.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10720].text |
或成品之批次或流通狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[10721].start |
31312.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10721].end |
31315.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[10721].text |
委託者應於委託檢驗時 |
| transcript.whisperx[10722].start |
31315.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[10722].end |
31317.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10722].text |
提供真實完整資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10723].start |
31317.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10723].end |
31319.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10723].text |
檢驗報告出具前 |
| transcript.whisperx[10724].start |
31319.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10724].end |
31322.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10724].text |
流通狀態有變更者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10725].start |
31322.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10725].end |
31322.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10725].text |
應通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[10726].start |
31323.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10726].end |
31325.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10726].text |
應及通知受託者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10727].start |
31325.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10727].end |
31327.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10727].text |
檢驗結果達中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10728].start |
31327.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10728].end |
31329.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10728].text |
公告之述職或條件者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10729].start |
31329.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10729].end |
31331.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[10729].text |
委託者應及通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[10730].start |
31332.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10730].end |
31334.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10730].text |
受託者應及通知委託者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10731].start |
31334.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10731].end |
31337.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10731].text |
受託者於前項檢驗結果完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[10732].start |
31337.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10732].end |
31339.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10732].text |
並知悉有下列情形記憶者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10733].start |
31339.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10733].end |
31342.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10733].text |
因此之悉起24小時內通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[10734].start |
31342.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10734].end |
31344.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10734].text |
商主管機關一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10735].start |
31344.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10735].end |
31347.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[10735].text |
受檢樣品所代表之原材料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10736].start |
31347.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[10736].end |
31348.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10736].text |
半成品或成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10737].start |
31348.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10737].end |
31351.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[10737].text |
以使用於後續製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[10738].start |
31351.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[10738].end |
31352.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[10738].text |
或以販賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[10739].start |
31353.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10739].end |
31354.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10739].text |
或供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[10740].start |
31355.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10740].end |
31357.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10740].text |
檢出基因中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10741].start |
31357.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10741].end |
31359.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10741].text |
公告之有毒物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[10742].start |
31359.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10742].end |
31360.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10742].text |
或有害人體健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[10743].start |
31361.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10743].end |
31362.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10743].text |
或有毒物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[10744].start |
31362.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[10744].end |
31364.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10744].text |
並達公告至通報標 |
| transcript.whisperx[10745].start |
31364.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10745].end |
31365.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10745].text |
條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[10746].start |
31365.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10746].end |
31367.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[10746].text |
其他金裝主管機關公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[10747].start |
31367.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[10747].end |
31370.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10747].text |
注意對食品衛生安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[10748].start |
31370.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10748].end |
31373.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10748].text |
造成重大或廣泛影響之情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[10749].start |
31374.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10749].end |
31376.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10749].text |
受檢樣品署研發、試製 |
| transcript.whisperx[10750].start |
31376.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10750].end |
31379.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10750].text |
或製程之中樣品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10751].start |
31379.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10751].end |
31380.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[10751].text |
且其代表署 |
| transcript.whisperx[10752].start |
31381.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10752].end |
31385.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10752].text |
其原材料半成品或成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10753].start |
31385.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10753].end |
31388.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[10753].text |
尚未使用於後製製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[10754].start |
31388.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[10754].end |
31389.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10754].text |
且未販賣或供應者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10755].start |
31389.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10755].end |
31391.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10755].text |
不適用前項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10756].start |
31391.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10756].end |
31392.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[10756].text |
但有前項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10757].start |
31392.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[10757].end |
31395.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10757].text |
第二款或第三款情形者不在此現 |
| transcript.whisperx[10758].start |
31395.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10758].end |
31397.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10758].text |
前四項鎖定記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[10759].start |
31397.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10759].end |
31400.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10759].text |
資料提供通知通報之內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[10760].start |
31400.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10760].end |
31401.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10760].text |
方式期限 |
| transcript.whisperx[10761].start |
31401.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10761].end |
31403.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10761].text |
包含其他應遵行事項之辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10762].start |
31403.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10762].end |
31405.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10762].text |
由中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10763].start |
31405.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10763].end |
31408.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10763].text |
第二項鎖定數值或條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[10764].start |
31408.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10764].end |
31411.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10764].text |
及第三項鎖定通報條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[10765].start |
31411.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10765].end |
31413.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10765].text |
由中央主管機關公告知 |
| transcript.whisperx[10766].start |
31415.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10766].end |
31417.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10766].text |
行政院提案委員吳立華等16人提案委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10767].start |
31417.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10767].end |
31418.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10767].text |
林苑青等24人提案委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10768].start |
31418.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10768].end |
31420.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10768].text |
林淑芬等24人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10769].start |
31420.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10769].end |
31422.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10769].text |
文華修方等24人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10770].start |
31422.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10770].end |
31424.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10770].text |
第41條第一項詢問第二句語言 |
| transcript.whisperx[10771].start |
31424.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10771].end |
31426.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10771].text |
得知請修正委應辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10772].start |
31426.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10772].end |
31428.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10772].text |
並修正第一款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10773].start |
31429.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[10773].end |
31431.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10773].text |
第二句文字分號 |
| transcript.whisperx[10774].start |
31431.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10774].end |
31434.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10774].text |
查詢時並得不經事先通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[10775].start |
31434.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10775].end |
31437.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10775].text |
第三款莫具文字修正委 |
| transcript.whisperx[10776].start |
31437.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10776].end |
31438.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[10776].text |
應與下家病 |
| transcript.whisperx[10777].start |
31440.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10777].end |
31442.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10777].text |
修正第四款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10778].start |
31442.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10778].end |
31443.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10778].text |
具首為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10779].start |
31443.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10779].end |
31445.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10779].text |
第15條之一第16條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10780].start |
31445.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10780].end |
31447.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10780].text |
第18條之一第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10781].start |
31447.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10781].end |
31450.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10781].text |
中央主管機關一第17條第18條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10782].start |
31450.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[10782].end |
31452.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10782].text |
第18條之一第一項或第19條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10783].start |
31452.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10783].end |
31453.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10783].text |
鎖定標準之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[10784].start |
31453.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10784].end |
31455.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10784].text |
得令事業者下家 |
| transcript.whisperx[10785].start |
31457.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10785].end |
31458.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10785].text |
後接動號 |
| transcript.whisperx[10786].start |
31458.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10786].end |
31459.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10786].text |
修正第五款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10787].start |
31460.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10787].end |
31461.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10787].text |
第三句為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10788].start |
31461.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10788].end |
31463.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10788].text |
得令其現起改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[10789].start |
31464.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[10789].end |
31465.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10789].text |
修正第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10790].start |
31465.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10790].end |
31466.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10790].text |
首句文字為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10791].start |
31466.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[10791].end |
31469.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[10791].text |
就重大突發性或其他食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10792].start |
31470.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10792].end |
31472.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10792].text |
衛生安全風險事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[10793].start |
31473.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10793].end |
31474.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10793].text |
第三句修正為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10794].start |
31474.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10794].end |
31477.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10794].text |
分號直轄市縣市住人機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10795].start |
31477.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10795].end |
31478.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10795].text |
應配合辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10796].start |
31478.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10796].end |
31479.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[10796].text |
與通現行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[10797].start |
31479.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[10797].end |
31481.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10797].text |
為李坤城等18人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10798].start |
31481.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10798].end |
31483.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10798].text |
第41條修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[10799].start |
31483.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10799].end |
31484.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10799].text |
第一項地是 |
| transcript.whisperx[10800].start |
31484.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10800].end |
31486.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10800].text |
第二句文字為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10801].start |
31486.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10801].end |
31487.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10801].text |
應要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[10802].start |
31488.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10802].end |
31489.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10802].text |
修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[10803].start |
31489.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10803].end |
31490.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10803].text |
第一項第三款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10804].start |
31490.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10804].end |
31491.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10804].text |
第二句文字為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10805].start |
31491.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10805].end |
31493 |
| transcript.whisperx[10805].text |
立即下家並封存 |
| transcript.whisperx[10806].start |
31494.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10806].end |
31495.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10806].text |
通款第一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10807].start |
31496.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10807].end |
31499.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10807].text |
第四款修正為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10808].start |
31499.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10808].end |
31501.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10808].text |
因令食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10809].start |
31502.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10809].end |
31503.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10809].text |
第三第五款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10810].start |
31503.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10810].end |
31504.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10810].text |
第三句修正為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10811].start |
31504.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10811].end |
31506.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10811].text |
並應立即下家 |
| transcript.whisperx[10812].start |
31507.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10812].end |
31508.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[10812].text |
第二項地 |
| transcript.whisperx[10813].start |
31509.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10813].end |
31510.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10813].text |
修正為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10814].start |
31510.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[10814].end |
31512.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10814].text |
義為前項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10815].start |
31512.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10815].end |
31514.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10815].text |
之措施與通行這問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[10816].start |
31514.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10816].end |
31516.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10816].text |
為劉建國等19人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10817].start |
31516.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[10817].end |
31517.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[10817].text |
第四 |
| transcript.whisperx[10818].start |
31517.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[10818].end |
31518.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10818].text |
是一條第一項第一句 |
| transcript.whisperx[10819].start |
31518.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10819].end |
31520.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10819].text |
據莫興徵文字為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10820].start |
31520.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10820].end |
31521.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[10820].text |
主管機關執行前段 |
| transcript.whisperx[10821].start |
31522.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10821].end |
31524.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10821].text |
現場查核或品質管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10822].start |
31524.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10822].end |
31526.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10822].text |
方案實質評估時 |
| transcript.whisperx[10823].start |
31526.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10823].end |
31529.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10823].text |
得由公共衛生師協助辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10824].start |
31529.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10824].end |
31530.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10824].text |
第一項第二句 |
| transcript.whisperx[10825].start |
31530.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10825].end |
31532.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10825].text |
據莫興徵文字如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10826].start |
31532.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10826].end |
31534.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10826].text |
經中央主管機關公告指定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10827].start |
31534.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10827].end |
31537.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10827].text |
類別及規模之食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10828].start |
31537.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10828].end |
31539.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10828].text |
提前開所證資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10829].start |
31539.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10829].end |
31543.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10829].text |
證明記錄或相關計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[10830].start |
31543.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10830].end |
31546.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10830].text |
應經食品技師查核簽證 |
| transcript.whisperx[10831].start |
31546.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10831].end |
31547.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10831].text |
第五款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10832].start |
31548.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10832].end |
31550.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10832].text |
據莫興徵文字為 |
| transcript.whisperx[10833].start |
31550.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10833].end |
31552.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10833].text |
中國機關衛力慶儀式 |
| transcript.whisperx[10834].start |
31552.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10834].end |
31553.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10834].text |
食物中毒案件之發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[10835].start |
31553.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10835].end |
31556.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10835].text |
原因與範圍的委託 |
| transcript.whisperx[10836].start |
31556.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10836].end |
31559.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10836].text |
或會同公共衛生師執行社區 |
| transcript.whisperx[10837].start |
31559.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10837].end |
31562.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10837].text |
與常遇之食品安全風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[10838].start |
31562.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10838].end |
31563.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[10838].text |
調查及評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[10839].start |
31563.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[10839].end |
31564.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[10839].text |
第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10840].start |
31565.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10840].end |
31570.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10840].text |
文字拒手刪除重大突發性及其他等文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[10841].start |
31570.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10841].end |
31571.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10841].text |
與同行政院提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10842].start |
31571.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10842].end |
31573.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10842].text |
文王雲民等二十文提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10843].start |
31573.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10843].end |
31574.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10843].text |
第四十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10844].start |
31574.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[10844].end |
31577.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10844].text |
中央主管機關應整合食品業者登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[10845].start |
31577.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10845].end |
31578.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10845].text |
輸入查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[10846].start |
31578.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[10846].end |
31579.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10846].text |
食品追溯 |
| transcript.whisperx[10847].start |
31580.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10847].end |
31583.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10847].text |
或追蹤檢驗通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[10848].start |
31583.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[10848].end |
31585.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10848].text |
這下是現實轉機關查核結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[10849].start |
31585.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10849].end |
31589.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10849].text |
與國內外食品衛生安全資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[10850].start |
31589.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10850].end |
31593.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10850].text |
建立全國性食品衛生安全風險分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[10851].start |
31593.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10851].end |
31595.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10851].text |
及專案查核機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[10852].start |
31595.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10852].end |
31597.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10852].text |
中央主管機關對下列食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10853].start |
31597.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10853].end |
31600.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10853].text |
食品添加物或食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10854].start |
31600.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10854].end |
31601.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10854].text |
應每年訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10855].start |
31601.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10855].end |
31604.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10855].text |
並執行全國性專案查核計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[10856].start |
31604.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10856].end |
31607.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10856].text |
一食品衛生安全風險較高者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10857].start |
31607.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10857].end |
31609.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10857].text |
二製造加工調配 |
| transcript.whisperx[10858].start |
31609.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10858].end |
31611.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[10858].text |
輸入儲存 |
| transcript.whisperx[10859].start |
31611.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[10859].end |
31613.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10859].text |
或流通支輸量或規模較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[10860].start |
31614.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10860].end |
31617.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10860].text |
或對市場供應影響重大者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10861].start |
31617.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10861].end |
31617.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10861].text |
三 |
| transcript.whisperx[10862].start |
31617.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10862].end |
31618.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10862].text |
供應範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[10863].start |
31618.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[10863].end |
31621.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10863].text |
跨二個線之下是縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[10864].start |
31621.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10864].end |
31622.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10864].text |
有統籌查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[10865].start |
31622.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10865].end |
31623.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10865].text |
其來源批次 |
| transcript.whisperx[10866].start |
31623.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10866].end |
31625.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10866].text |
或流向之必要者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10867].start |
31625.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[10867].end |
31625.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10867].text |
四其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[10868].start |
31625.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10868].end |
31625.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10868].text |
一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10869].start |
31625.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10869].end |
31627.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10869].text |
前向風險分析任由 |
| transcript.whisperx[10870].start |
31627.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10870].end |
31628.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10870].text |
全國性 |
| transcript.whisperx[10871].start |
31629.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10871].end |
31631.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10871].text |
專案查核必要者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10872].start |
31631.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10872].end |
31632.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10872].text |
前向專案查核由 |
| transcript.whisperx[10873].start |
31632.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10873].end |
31635.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10873].text |
中央主管機關主辦病的會同指下 |
| transcript.whisperx[10874].start |
31635.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10874].end |
31637.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10874].text |
是縣市主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10875].start |
31637.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10875].end |
31640.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10875].text |
辦理實施現場查核之時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[10876].start |
31640.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10876].end |
31643.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10876].text |
應不定期且不得預先通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[10877].start |
31644.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10877].end |
31645.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10877].text |
受查者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10878].start |
31646.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10878].end |
31648.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10878].text |
第一項資訊或其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[10879].start |
31648.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[10879].end |
31649.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10879].text |
具體市政主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[10880].start |
31649.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10880].end |
31652.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10880].text |
食品衛生安全風險提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[10881].start |
31652.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10881].end |
31653.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10881].text |
且有 |
| transcript.whisperx[10882].start |
31653.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10882].end |
31656.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[10882].text |
造成重大或廣泛影響之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[10883].start |
31656.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[10883].end |
31657.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[10883].text |
中央主管機關應 |
| transcript.whisperx[10884].start |
31657.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10884].end |
31660.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10884].text |
及辦理或偵辦專案查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[10885].start |
31660.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[10885].end |
31662.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10885].text |
中央主管機關辦理第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10886].start |
31662.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[10886].end |
31664.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10886].text |
或前向專案查核時 |
| transcript.whisperx[10887].start |
31664.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10887].end |
31666.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10887].text |
得採取第41條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10888].start |
31666.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10888].end |
31669.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10888].text |
第二項各款鎖定措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[10889].start |
31669.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10889].end |
31672.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10889].text |
並統籌查核結果之後續處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[10890].start |
31672.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10890].end |
31675.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10890].text |
及跨區域管制措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[10891].start |
31675.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10891].end |
31679.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10891].text |
中央主管機關應定期公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[10892].start |
31679.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10892].end |
31681.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10892].text |
專案查核之整體執行情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[10893].start |
31681.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10893].end |
31684.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10893].text |
查核結果及後續處理情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[10894].start |
31686.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10894].end |
31688.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10894].text |
委員王玉敏得25人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10895].start |
31688.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[10895].end |
31690.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10895].text |
第41條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10896].start |
31690.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10896].end |
31692.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10896].text |
接下來事先視著以及觀音一 |
| transcript.whisperx[10897].start |
31692.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10897].end |
31694.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10897].text |
食品衛生管理風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[10898].start |
31694.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[10898].end |
31697 |
| transcript.whisperx[10898].text |
食品業者之類別及規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[10899].start |
31697 |
| transcript.whisperx[10899].end |
31698.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10899].text |
產品流通影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[10900].start |
31698.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10900].end |
31701.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10900].text |
歷次查核獲得檢驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[10901].start |
31701.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10901].end |
31702.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10901].text |
及違規紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[10902].start |
31702.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[10902].end |
31705.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[10902].text |
訂定年度查核計畫及查核頻率 |
| transcript.whisperx[10903].start |
31706.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[10903].end |
31707.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10903].text |
對疫前開風險因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[10904].start |
31707.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10904].end |
31709.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[10904].text |
評定為高風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[10905].start |
31711.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10905].end |
31712.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10905].text |
知食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10906].start |
31712.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10906].end |
31714.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10906].text |
因實質不定期前 |
| transcript.whisperx[10907].start |
31714.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[10907].end |
31715.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10907].text |
不預先通知知查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[10908].start |
31715.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10908].end |
31716.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[10908].text |
並得以 |
| transcript.whisperx[10909].start |
31717.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10909].end |
31719.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10909].text |
風險增加查核頻率 |
| transcript.whisperx[10910].start |
31719.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[10910].end |
31720.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[10910].text |
接下來是先知管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10911].start |
31720.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[10911].end |
31723.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10911].text |
確保未確保食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10912].start |
31723.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10912].end |
31724.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10912].text |
食品添加物食品記據 |
| transcript.whisperx[10913].start |
31724.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10913].end |
31727.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10913].text |
食品容器或包裝及食品用 |
| transcript.whisperx[10914].start |
31727.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10914].end |
31729.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10914].text |
洗劫劑符合本法規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[10915].start |
31729.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10915].end |
31731.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10915].text |
得執行下列措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[10916].start |
31731.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10916].end |
31733.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10916].text |
業者因配合不得規避 |
| transcript.whisperx[10917].start |
31733.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10917].end |
31734.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10917].text |
妨礙或拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[10918].start |
31734.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10918].end |
31738.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10918].text |
一進入製造加工調配包裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10919].start |
31738.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[10919].end |
31739.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10919].text |
運售儲存 |
| transcript.whisperx[10920].start |
31739.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10920].end |
31742.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[10920].text |
販賣場所執行現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[10921].start |
31742.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[10921].end |
31744.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[10921].text |
查核及抽樣檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[10922].start |
31746.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[10922].end |
31746.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[10922].text |
為前項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10923].start |
31748.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10923].end |
31751.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10923].text |
為前款查核或抽樣檢驗時 |
| transcript.whisperx[10924].start |
31751.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[10924].end |
31753.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10924].text |
得要求前款場所執 |
| transcript.whisperx[10925].start |
31753.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[10925].end |
31755.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10925].text |
食品業者提供原料或產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10926].start |
31755.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10926].end |
31757.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10926].text |
真來源及數量作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[10927].start |
31757.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10927].end |
31759.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10927].text |
品保販賣對象金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[10928].start |
31759.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[10928].end |
31761.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10928].text |
其他佐證資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10929].start |
31761.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[10929].end |
31762.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10929].text |
證明或記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[10930].start |
31762.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10930].end |
31763.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10930].text |
並得查閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[10931].start |
31764.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[10931].end |
31765.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[10931].text |
扣留或複製之 |
| transcript.whisperx[10932].start |
31767.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10932].end |
31768.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10932].text |
查核或檢驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[10933].start |
31768.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10933].end |
31771.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10933].text |
暫時為不符合本法規定之食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10934].start |
31771.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10934].end |
31772.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10934].text |
食品添加物食品容器 |
| transcript.whisperx[10935].start |
31772.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10935].end |
31775.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10935].text |
食品器具或包裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[10936].start |
31775.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[10936].end |
31777.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10936].text |
及食品用清潔劑 |
| transcript.whisperx[10937].start |
31777.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10937].end |
31778.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10937].text |
英語封存 |
| transcript.whisperx[10938].start |
31779.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[10938].end |
31781.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10938].text |
有檢驗結果通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[10939].start |
31781.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[10939].end |
31783.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10939].text |
流行病學調查來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[10940].start |
31783.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10940].end |
31784.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10940].text |
或留下資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[10941].start |
31785.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[10941].end |
31787.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10941].text |
資成記錄或其他具體事證 |
| transcript.whisperx[10942].start |
31787.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[10942].end |
31788.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10942].text |
主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[10943].start |
31788.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[10943].end |
31789.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10943].text |
食品業者有違反 |
| transcript.whisperx[10944].start |
31789.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[10944].end |
31791.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10944].text |
第八條第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10945].start |
31791.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[10945].end |
31792.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[10945].text |
或第二項規定之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[10946].start |
31792.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[10946].end |
31795.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10946].text |
或產品有第十五條第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[10947].start |
31795.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[10947].end |
31798.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[10947].text |
或第四項第十六條所訂情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[10948].start |
31799.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10948].end |
31800.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10948].text |
或不符合中央主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[10949].start |
31800.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[10949].end |
31802.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10949].text |
應第十七條第十八條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10950].start |
31802.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10950].end |
31804.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10950].text |
或第十九條所訂標準之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[10951].start |
31804.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[10951].end |
31807.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10951].text |
且繼續作業或販賣供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[10952].start |
31807.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10952].end |
31809.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10952].text |
該產品有史食品衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[10953].start |
31809.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[10953].end |
31812.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10953].text |
安全風險或受影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[10954].start |
31812.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10954].end |
31813.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10954].text |
範圍擴大之餘者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10955].start |
31814.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[10955].end |
31815.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10955].text |
都於必要範圍內 |
| transcript.whisperx[10956].start |
31815.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[10956].end |
31817.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10956].text |
命食品業者暫停作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[10957].start |
31817.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10957].end |
31820.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10957].text |
停止販售或供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[10958].start |
31820.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[10958].end |
31822.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10958].text |
而將產品與防性下降或封存 |
| transcript.whisperx[10959].start |
31822.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10959].end |
31823.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[10959].text |
五 |
| transcript.whisperx[10960].start |
31823.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[10960].end |
31826 |
| transcript.whisperx[10960].text |
接獲通報一室食品中毒案件時 |
| transcript.whisperx[10961].start |
31826 |
| transcript.whisperx[10961].end |
31827.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[10961].text |
對於各該食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10962].start |
31827.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[10962].end |
31829.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10962].text |
得命期信息改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[10963].start |
31829.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10963].end |
31831.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10963].text |
或派送相關食品從業人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10964].start |
31831.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10964].end |
31833.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10964].text |
至各級主管機關認可之 |
| transcript.whisperx[10965].start |
31833.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10965].end |
31837.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[10965].text |
機關構接受至少四小時之食品中毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[10966].start |
31837.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[10966].end |
31839.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10966].text |
防治衛生獎息 |
| transcript.whisperx[10967].start |
31839.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10967].end |
31840.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10967].text |
調查期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[10968].start |
31840.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10968].end |
31842.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10968].text |
並得命期暫停作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[10969].start |
31842.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10969].end |
31843.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[10969].text |
停止販 |
| transcript.whisperx[10970].start |
31844.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[10970].end |
31846.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10970].text |
販賣及進行消毒並封存 |
| transcript.whisperx[10971].start |
31846.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[10971].end |
31846.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[10971].text |
該產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[10972].start |
31848.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[10972].end |
31851.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10972].text |
主管機關於前條所訂情形以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[10973].start |
31851.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10973].end |
31853.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10973].text |
至其他必要情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[10974].start |
31853.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[10974].end |
31856.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10974].text |
亦得為第二項各款鎖定措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[10975].start |
31856.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[10975].end |
31858.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[10975].text |
主管機關一第二項第四款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10976].start |
31858.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[10976].end |
31859.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10976].text |
採取措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[10977].start |
31859.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[10977].end |
31862.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10977].text |
因已可能受影響至產品批次 |
| transcript.whisperx[10978].start |
31862.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[10978].end |
31864.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10978].text |
製程或流通範圍限 |
| transcript.whisperx[10979].start |
31864.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[10979].end |
31866.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10979].text |
並以書面載明所具 |
| transcript.whisperx[10980].start |
31866.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[10980].end |
31870 |
| transcript.whisperx[10980].text |
市政理由範圍及期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[10981].start |
31870 |
| transcript.whisperx[10981].end |
31871.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[10981].text |
情況急迫者 |
| transcript.whisperx[10982].start |
31871.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[10982].end |
31872.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10982].text |
得先以口頭為支 |
| transcript.whisperx[10983].start |
31872.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[10983].end |
31874.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10983].text |
並因二四小時內補發 |
| transcript.whisperx[10984].start |
31875.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[10984].end |
31876.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[10984].text |
書面處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10985].start |
31876.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[10985].end |
31878.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10985].text |
其期間不得逾三十日 |
| transcript.whisperx[10986].start |
31878.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[10986].end |
31881.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10986].text |
由繼續管制至必要者得延長之 |
| transcript.whisperx[10987].start |
31881.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10987].end |
31883.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[10987].text |
每次不得逾三十日 |
| transcript.whisperx[10988].start |
31884.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[10988].end |
31887.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[10988].text |
並因重新審查居民理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[10989].start |
31887.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[10989].end |
31888.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10989].text |
新專業提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10990].start |
31888.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10990].end |
31890.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10990].text |
為吳立華的十六人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10991].start |
31890.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[10991].end |
31892.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10991].text |
為劉越琴的二十四人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10992].start |
31892.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[10992].end |
31893.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10992].text |
為林淑芬的二十四人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10993].start |
31893.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10993].end |
31895.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10993].text |
為李坤城的十八人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10994].start |
31895.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10994].end |
31897.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10994].text |
為黃秀芳的二十四人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[10995].start |
31897.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[10995].end |
31898.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10995].text |
第四十二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[10996].start |
31898.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[10996].end |
31900.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10996].text |
清條第一項支查和檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[10997].start |
31900.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10997].end |
31901.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10997].text |
疾管制措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[10998].start |
31902.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[10998].end |
31904.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10998].text |
同項第三款至第五款 |
| transcript.whisperx[10999].start |
31904.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[10999].end |
31907.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[10999].text |
至下架範圍執行程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[11000].start |
31907.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[11000].end |
31909.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11000].text |
與其原因消失後之處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[11001].start |
31909.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11001].end |
31910.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[11001].text |
及其他專心事實上的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[11002].start |
31910.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[11002].end |
31912.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[11002].text |
由中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[11003].start |
31912.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[11003].end |
31913.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[11003].text |
與同線刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[11004].start |
31914 |
| transcript.whisperx[11004].end |
31915.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[11004].text |
為劉建國的十九人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11005].start |
31915.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[11005].end |
31917.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11005].text |
申訂第二項 |
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31917.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11006].end |
31918.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11006].text |
為執行前條第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[11007].start |
31918.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11007].end |
31920.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11007].text |
第二款支查和主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[11008].start |
31920.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11008].end |
31921.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11008].text |
得建立食品 |
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31924.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11009].end |
31925.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11009].text |
簽證制度 |
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31925.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11010].end |
31927.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[11010].text |
期簽證之項目執行方式 |
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31927.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[11011].end |
31929.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[11011].text |
查核範圍 |
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31929.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[11012].end |
31931.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[11012].text |
及其他因遵行事實上之辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[11013].start |
31931.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[11013].end |
31933.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[11013].text |
由中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[11014].start |
31933.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[11014].end |
31934.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11014].text |
與同行政院提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11015].start |
31935.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[11015].end |
31938.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[11015].text |
為王一鳴等25人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11016].start |
31938.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[11016].end |
31939.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[11016].text |
第四十二條 |
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31939.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[11017].end |
31940.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[11017].text |
其二條有關 |
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31940.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[11018].end |
31942.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11018].text |
中國性食品衛生 |
| transcript.whisperx[11019].start |
31942.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11019].end |
31944.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11019].text |
安全風險分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[11020].start |
31944.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[11020].end |
31945.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11020].text |
專案查核對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[11021].start |
31945.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11021].end |
31948.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11021].text |
之認定計劃之規劃與執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[11022].start |
31948.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11022].end |
31952.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11022].text |
中央與地方主管機關之分工 |
| transcript.whisperx[11023].start |
31952.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11023].end |
31954.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[11023].text |
查核資料之報送 |
| transcript.whisperx[11024].start |
31954.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[11024].end |
31955.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[11024].text |
查核結果之公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[11025].start |
31955.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[11025].end |
31959.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[11025].text |
查核檢驗與管制措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[11026].start |
31959.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11026].end |
31960.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[11026].text |
風險分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[11027].start |
31961.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11027].end |
31964.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11027].text |
其查核頻率之最低基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[11028].start |
31964.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11028].end |
31965.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11028].text |
不定期前 |
| transcript.whisperx[11029].start |
31965.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11029].end |
31967.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11029].text |
不予先通知查核知 |
| transcript.whisperx[11030].start |
31967.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11030].end |
31969.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11030].text |
適用條件與執行方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[11031].start |
31969.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[11031].end |
31972.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11031].text |
預防性下架之處分與解除程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[11032].start |
31973.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[11032].end |
31974.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[11032].text |
證據審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[11033].start |
31974.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[11033].end |
31976.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[11033].text |
期間檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[11034].start |
31976.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[11034].end |
31977.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[11034].text |
資料保存 |
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31977.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[11035].end |
31979.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11035].text |
及其他因遵行事實上之辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[11036].start |
31979.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[11036].end |
31981.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[11036].text |
由中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[11037].start |
31983.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[11037].end |
31984.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11037].text |
國民黨黨黨委員提案委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11038].start |
31984.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11038].end |
31986 |
| transcript.whisperx[11038].text |
羅志祥等17人提案委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11039].start |
31986 |
| transcript.whisperx[11039].end |
31987.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[11039].text |
盧憲英等16人提案委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11040].start |
31987.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[11040].end |
31989.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11040].text |
屈小清等17人提案委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11041].start |
31989.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11041].end |
31990.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11041].text |
鄭天才等16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11042].start |
31990.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11042].end |
31992.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[11042].text |
增訂令四十二條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[11043].start |
31992.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[11043].end |
31994.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11043].text |
主管機關或地方主管機關之息 |
| transcript.whisperx[11044].start |
31994.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11044].end |
31996.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[11044].text |
食品食品添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[11045].start |
31996.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[11045].end |
31998.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11045].text |
至原料設有違反 |
| transcript.whisperx[11046].start |
31998.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11046].end |
31999.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11046].text |
本法規定至於食 |
| transcript.whisperx[11047].start |
31999.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11047].end |
32003.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[11047].text |
不論該原料之下由加工食品中 |
| transcript.whisperx[11048].start |
32004.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[11048].end |
32007.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11048].text |
只添加稀釋或混合比例高低 |
| transcript.whisperx[11049].start |
32007.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11049].end |
32009.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11049].text |
應立即命食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[11050].start |
32009.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11050].end |
32010.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11050].text |
實施預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[11051].start |
32010.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11051].end |
32014.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[11051].text |
不得以行政材量或風險推估予以放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[11052].start |
32014.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[11052].end |
32015.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11052].text |
主管機關一 |
| transcript.whisperx[11053].start |
32015.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11053].end |
32017.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11053].text |
前項命令下架或解剖第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11054].start |
32019.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[11054].end |
32020.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11054].text |
第六項之 |
| transcript.whisperx[11055].start |
32020.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11055].end |
32022.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11055].text |
綠色綠通報後 |
| transcript.whisperx[11056].start |
32022.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11056].end |
32025.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[11056].text |
因於72小時完成官方復驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[11057].start |
32025.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[11057].end |
32026.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11057].text |
非法結果安全無疑者 |
| transcript.whisperx[11058].start |
32026.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11058].end |
32027.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11058].text |
解除下架 |
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32029.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11059].end |
32033.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[11059].text |
並對業者及商業民意獲預通報資訊與保密 |
| transcript.whisperx[11060].start |
32033.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[11060].end |
32034.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[11060].text |
不得對外公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[11061].start |
32035.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[11061].end |
32036.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11061].text |
復驗結果確認有危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[11062].start |
32036.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11062].end |
32037.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[11062].text |
應立即公告 |
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32037.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[11063].end |
32039.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11063].text |
並依第52條規定 |
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32039.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11064].end |
32042.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[11064].text |
辦理銷毀或其他處置 |
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32042.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[11065].end |
32044.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[11065].text |
食品業者違反第一項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11066].start |
32044.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[11066].end |
32046.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11066].text |
位依主管機關命令 |
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32046.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11067].end |
32048.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11067].text |
實施預防性下架者 |
| transcript.whisperx[11068].start |
32048.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11068].end |
32049.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[11068].text |
直下是縣市主管機關 |
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32049.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[11069].end |
32051.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[11069].text |
得公布業者名稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[11070].start |
32051.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[11070].end |
32054.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[11070].text |
負責人姓名及違規事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[11071].start |
32054.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[11071].end |
32056.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[11071].text |
並依44條規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11072].start |
32056.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[11072].end |
32058.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11072].text |
裁處第一項預防性下架之品 |
| transcript.whisperx[11073].start |
32058.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11073].end |
32060.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[11073].text |
範圍執行程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[11074].start |
32061.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[11074].end |
32063.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11074].text |
與補償郵裝主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[11075].start |
32064.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[11075].end |
32065.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11075].text |
訂製 |
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32065.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11076].end |
32067.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11076].text |
文序徵等二十天 |
| transcript.whisperx[11077].start |
32067.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11077].end |
32068.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11077].text |
第四項條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[11078].start |
32069.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[11078].end |
32071.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[11078].text |
第一項第二句刪除下類文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[11079].start |
32071.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[11079].end |
32073.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11079].text |
不認該原料於下游 |
| transcript.whisperx[11080].start |
32073.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11080].end |
32075.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[11080].text |
加工食品中 |
| transcript.whisperx[11081].start |
32076.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[11081].end |
32079.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11081].text |
至添加稀釋或混合比例高低 |
| transcript.whisperx[11082].start |
32079.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11082].end |
32081.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[11082].text |
與同國民黨黨團敵案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11083].start |
32081.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[11083].end |
32082.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[11083].text |
文黃正好等十六天 |
| transcript.whisperx[11084].start |
32082.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[11084].end |
32083.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[11084].text |
第四項條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[11085].start |
32083.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[11085].end |
32085.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[11085].text |
修正第一項文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[11086].start |
32086.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[11086].end |
32087.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[11086].text |
首句為 |
| transcript.whisperx[11087].start |
32088.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[11087].end |
32089.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[11087].text |
地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[11088].start |
32089.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[11088].end |
32091.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11088].text |
第三句修正為 |
| transcript.whisperx[11089].start |
32091.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[11089].end |
32093.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11089].text |
均應立即命食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[11090].start |
32093.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[11090].end |
32094.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[11090].text |
實施預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[11091].start |
32094.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[11091].end |
32096.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11091].text |
修正及刪下文字為 |
| transcript.whisperx[11092].start |
32096.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11092].end |
32098.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[11092].text |
主管機關依前項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11093].start |
32098.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[11093].end |
32099.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11093].text |
命其下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[11094].start |
32099.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11094].end |
32100.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[11094].text |
並接獲第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11095].start |
32102.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11095].end |
32103.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[11095].text |
第六項治癒通報後 |
| transcript.whisperx[11096].start |
32103.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[11096].end |
32105.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[11096].text |
因於七十二小時完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[11097].start |
32105.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[11097].end |
32106.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[11097].text |
查核或復驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[11098].start |
32106.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[11098].end |
32108.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11098].text |
查核結果安全無虞者 |
| transcript.whisperx[11099].start |
32108.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11099].end |
32110.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11099].text |
應立即解除下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[11100].start |
32110.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11100].end |
32113.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[11100].text |
修正第三項第三句文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[11101].start |
32113.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[11101].end |
32115.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11101].text |
主管機關得公布其名稱 |
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32115.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11102].end |
32118.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11102].text |
修正第四項首句文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[11103].start |
32118.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11103].end |
32120.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[11103].text |
原品項修正為試用品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[11104].start |
32120.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[11104].end |
32121.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11104].text |
並增第 |
| transcript.whisperx[11105].start |
32122.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11105].end |
32124.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11105].text |
等相關事項之辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[11106].start |
32124.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11106].end |
32126.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11106].text |
與同國民黨黨團體案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11107].start |
32128.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[11107].end |
32129.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11107].text |
國民黨黨團體案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11108].start |
32129.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11108].end |
32131.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[11108].text |
委員羅志強等十七項體案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11109].start |
32131.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[11109].end |
32132.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11109].text |
委員盧憲英等十六項體案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11110].start |
32132.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11110].end |
32133.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[11110].text |
委員徐振德二十項體案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11111].start |
32133.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[11111].end |
32135.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[11111].text |
委員徐曉清等十七項體案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11112].start |
32135.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[11112].end |
32137.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[11112].text |
委員鄭天才等十六項體案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11113].start |
32137.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[11113].end |
32139.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11113].text |
第四三條甄定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11114].start |
32139.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11114].end |
32142.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11114].text |
第四項治第七項如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[11115].start |
32142.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11115].end |
32143.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[11115].text |
第四項檢舉人 |
| transcript.whisperx[11116].start |
32143.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[11116].end |
32144.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[11116].text |
應受下類保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[11117].start |
32144.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[11117].end |
32145.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[11117].text |
一 僱主不得已 |
| transcript.whisperx[11118].start |
32145.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[11118].end |
32146.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11118].text |
通報為由 |
| transcript.whisperx[11119].start |
32146.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11119].end |
32147.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11119].text |
對檢舉人為解僱 |
| transcript.whisperx[11120].start |
32147.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11120].end |
32148.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[11120].text |
降調減薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[11121].start |
32148.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[11121].end |
32151.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11121].text |
拒絕應用或其他不利之處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11122].start |
32151.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11122].end |
32152.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[11122].text |
而檢舉人之通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[11123].start |
32152.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[11123].end |
32153.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11123].text |
行為招受前 |
| transcript.whisperx[11124].start |
32154.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11124].end |
32155.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11124].text |
檢管不利處分者 |
| transcript.whisperx[11125].start |
32155.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11125].end |
32158.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11125].text |
推定該不利處分或通報行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[11126].start |
32158.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11126].end |
32160.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[11126].text |
有關僱主主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[11127].start |
32160.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[11127].end |
32161.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11127].text |
不利處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11128].start |
32161.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11128].end |
32163.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11128].text |
基於正當理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[11129].start |
32163.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11129].end |
32165.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[11129].text |
應負舉證責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[11130].start |
32165.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[11130].end |
32167.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11130].text |
三 檢舉人因通報行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[11131].start |
32167.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[11131].end |
32169.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[11131].text |
而受有損害的請求 |
| transcript.whisperx[11132].start |
32169.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[11132].end |
32170.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[11132].text |
損害賠償 |
| transcript.whisperx[11133].start |
32170.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[11133].end |
32172.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[11133].text |
僱主因通報而避免 |
| transcript.whisperx[11134].start |
32172.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[11134].end |
32174.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11134].text |
重大食安事件擴大者 |
| transcript.whisperx[11135].start |
32174.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11135].end |
32176.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[11135].text |
不得以損害賠償 |
| transcript.whisperx[11136].start |
32176.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[11136].end |
32177.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[11136].text |
對檢舉人求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[11137].start |
32178.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[11137].end |
32181.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[11137].text |
視頻業者違反第四項第一款規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[11138].start |
32181.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[11138].end |
32183.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[11138].text |
由主管機關處清台幣 |
| transcript.whisperx[11139].start |
32184.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11139].end |
32185.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[11139].text |
30萬元以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[11140].start |
32185.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[11140].end |
32187.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11140].text |
100萬元以下罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[11141].start |
32187.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11141].end |
32189.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11141].text |
清洗身大者得供不起名稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[11142].start |
32189.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[11142].end |
32192.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[11142].text |
負責人姓名及違法事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[11143].start |
32192.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[11143].end |
32195.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[11143].text |
中央主管機關因設立檢舉人補償機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[11144].start |
32196.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[11144].end |
32199.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11144].text |
對因通報行為受有損害而 |
| transcript.whisperx[11145].start |
32199.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11145].end |
32201.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11145].text |
難以求償之檢舉人 |
| transcript.whisperx[11146].start |
32201.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11146].end |
32203.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[11146].text |
得給予適當補償 |
| transcript.whisperx[11147].start |
32203.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[11147].end |
32204.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[11147].text |
補償標準及程序由 |
| transcript.whisperx[11148].start |
32204.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[11148].end |
32205.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[11148].text |
中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[11149].start |
32205.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[11149].end |
32208.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[11149].text |
因檢舉人之皆弊而查獲不法事實者 |
| transcript.whisperx[11150].start |
32208.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[11150].end |
32210.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[11150].text |
應得予獎金 |
| transcript.whisperx[11151].start |
32210.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[11151].end |
32213.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11151].text |
發給之標準及其他相關事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[11152].start |
32213.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[11152].end |
32214.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[11152].text |
由中央機關定制 |
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32214.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[11153].end |
32216.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[11153].text |
但其數額 |
| transcript.whisperx[11154].start |
32220.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[11154].end |
32221.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[11154].text |
但其數額 |
| transcript.whisperx[11155].start |
32222.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[11155].end |
32224.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11155].text |
不得逼於違反 |
| transcript.whisperx[11156].start |
32225.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11156].end |
32226.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11156].text |
法令者 |
| transcript.whisperx[11157].start |
32226.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11157].end |
32228.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11157].text |
因皆弊而受 |
| transcript.whisperx[11158].start |
32228.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11158].end |
32229.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11158].text |
罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[11159].start |
32229.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11159].end |
32229.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[11159].text |
罰金 |
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32229.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[11160].end |
32231.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11160].text |
沒收之財物 |
| transcript.whisperx[11161].start |
32231.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11161].end |
32233.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[11161].text |
或財產上之利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[11162].start |
32234.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[11162].end |
32235.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11162].text |
最真假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11163].start |
32236.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[11163].end |
32239.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[11163].text |
拆散底牆資總額10% |
| transcript.whisperx[11164].start |
32239.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[11164].end |
32240.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11164].text |
與同現行法 |
| transcript.whisperx[11165].start |
32240.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11165].end |
32242.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[11165].text |
無人需徵等20人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11166].start |
32242.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[11166].end |
32244.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11166].text |
第42條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[11167].start |
32245.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11167].end |
32246.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[11167].text |
第二句刪除加類文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[11168].start |
32246.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[11168].end |
32248.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[11168].text |
不論該原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[11169].start |
32248.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[11169].end |
32250.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11169].text |
與下游廠商食品之添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[11170].start |
32250.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11170].end |
32252.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[11170].text |
稀釋貨混合比例高低 |
| transcript.whisperx[11171].start |
32252.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[11171].end |
32254.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11171].text |
與同國民黨黨的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11172].start |
32254.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11172].end |
32256.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11172].text |
委員黃秋浩等16人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11173].start |
32258.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[11173].end |
32260.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11173].text |
修正第一項手續 |
| transcript.whisperx[11174].start |
32260.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11174].end |
32261.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[11174].text |
中央或地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[11175].start |
32261.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[11175].end |
32263.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11175].text |
第三句文字修正文 |
| transcript.whisperx[11176].start |
32263.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11176].end |
32265.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[11176].text |
均依立即命令食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[11177].start |
32265.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[11177].end |
32266.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11177].text |
實施預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[11178].start |
32266.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11178].end |
32267.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[11178].text |
修正第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[11179].start |
32267.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[11179].end |
32269.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11179].text |
第二項文字為 |
| transcript.whisperx[11180].start |
32269.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11180].end |
32271.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[11180].text |
主管機關一前項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[11181].start |
32271.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[11181].end |
32272.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11181].text |
密期下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[11182].start |
32272.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11182].end |
32273.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[11182].text |
或接獲第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[11183].start |
32273.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[11183].end |
32274.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11183].text |
第六項治癒通報後 |
| transcript.whisperx[11184].start |
32274.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[11184].end |
32276.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11184].text |
應於72小時完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[11185].start |
32276.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[11185].end |
32277.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[11185].text |
查核或復驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[11186].start |
32279.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[11186].end |
32279.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[11186].text |
檢驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[11187].start |
32279.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[11187].end |
32280.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11187].text |
安全無虞者 |
| transcript.whisperx[11188].start |
32280.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[11188].end |
32282.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[11188].text |
應解除下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[11189].start |
32282.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[11189].end |
32284 |
| transcript.whisperx[11189].text |
修正第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[11190].start |
32284.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[11190].end |
32285.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[11190].text |
第三句文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[11191].start |
32285.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[11191].end |
32288.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[11191].text |
中央主管機關得功不齊 |
| transcript.whisperx[11192].start |
32288.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[11192].end |
32291.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[11192].text |
名稱修正第四項手續文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[11193].start |
32291.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[11193].end |
32294.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11193].text |
原品項修正為適用品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[11194].start |
32294.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[11194].end |
32296.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[11194].text |
並徵地等 |
| transcript.whisperx[11195].start |
32296.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[11195].end |
32298.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[11195].text |
相關事項之辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[11196].start |
32298.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[11196].end |
32300.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[11196].text |
與同國民黨黨團提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11197].start |
32300.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[11197].end |
32300.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11197].text |
宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[11198].start |
32308.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[11198].end |
32308.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[11198].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[11199].start |
32309.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[11199].end |
32311.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11199].text |
本日開會時間至下午 |
| transcript.whisperx[11200].start |
32311.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11200].end |
32312.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[11200].text |
五時三十分 |
| transcript.whisperx[11201].start |
32313.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[11201].end |
32315.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11201].text |
現在時間已戒 |
| transcript.whisperx[11202].start |
32315.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[11202].end |
32317.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11202].text |
尚未宣讀的提案條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[11203].start |
32317.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[11203].end |
32319.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11203].text |
留待下次審查時 |
| transcript.whisperx[11204].start |
32319.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[11204].end |
32320.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[11204].text |
繼續宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[11205].start |
32324.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[11205].end |
32326.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[11205].text |
做一下決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[11206].start |
32327.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11206].end |
32329.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11206].text |
審查及繼續審查行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[11207].start |
32329.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[11207].end |
32331.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[11207].text |
含請審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[11208].start |
32331.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[11208].end |
32333.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[11208].text |
食品安全衛生管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[11209].start |
32333.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[11209].end |
32335.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[11209].text |
部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11210].start |
32335.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[11210].end |
32338.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11210].text |
等三十七案 |
| transcript.whisperx[11211].start |
32338.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[11211].end |
32340.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11211].text |
尚未審查完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[11212].start |
32340.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[11212].end |
32342.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[11212].text |
另擇期繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[11213].start |
32344.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[11213].end |
32346.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11213].text |
本次會議到此結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[11214].start |
32346.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[11214].end |
32347.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[11214].text |
現在散會 |