iVOD / 17646

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IVOD_ID 17646
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17646
日期 2026-08-05
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-5-26-22
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 22
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 社會福利及衛生環境委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議
影片種類 Full
開始時間 2026-08-05T08:34:00+08:00
結束時間 2026-08-05T17:33:00+08:00
影片長度 08:59:00
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會議時間 2026-08-05T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議(事由:(上午9時起) 邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院食品安全辦公室、教育部、國防部、經濟部、台灣糖業股份有限公司及行政院消費者保護處就「從致癌油事件發展迄今,中央一味『蓋牌、吃案、當門神』有關行政究責之重做完整調查報告(含台糖失職、食安警訊斷鏈責任、團體訴訟求償進度)及未來如何確保安全無虞的國軍團膳、學生營養午餐」進行專題報告,並備質詢。 (下午2時30分起,若上午議程尚未結束,待結束後接續召開) 一、審查行政院函請審議「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 二、繼續審查委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十四條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案。 三、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。 四、繼續審查委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第四條條文修正草案」案。 ......(完整內容,詳見議事日程) 二十、審查委員許宇甄等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。 二十一、審查委員郭國文等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十八條之一條文修正草案」案。 二十二、審查國民黨黨團擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 二十三、審查委員黃健豪等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 二十四、審查委員廖偉翔等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第七條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。 二十五、審查委員李彥秀等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 二十六、審查委員羅智強等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 二十七、審查委員盧縣一等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 二十八、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 二十九、審查委員許宇甄等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 三十、審查委員王育敏等25人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 三十一、審查委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 三十二、審查委員林月琴等24人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 三十三、審查委員林淑芬等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 三十四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 三十五、審查委員李坤城等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 三十六、審查委員黃秀芳等21人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 三十七、審查委員劉建國等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。 【逐條討論,不詢答】 【第二十至二十二案,如經復議則不予審查;第一案及第二十三至三十七案,如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意)
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 開會時間已到
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transcript.whisperx[39].text 好,開始
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transcript.whisperx[40].text 現在開會請組織報告出席人數
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 報告委員會出席11人已足法定人數
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 報事項宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定
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transcript.whisperx[46].text 依繼續審查及審查性別平等工作法部分
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transcript.whisperx[47].text 調整修正草案等130案
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transcript.whisperx[48].text 繼續審查及審查就業保險法部分調整修正草案等100案
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transcript.whisperx[49].text 請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目
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transcript.whisperx[50].text 本會第11屆第5會期第16次全體委員會議中性別平等法有
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transcript.whisperx[51].text 委員邱慧如等三人提出修正動議等共10案
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transcript.whisperx[54].text 需交黨團協商
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transcript.whisperx[58].text 台灣民眾黨黨團提案增定第16條之二及對應提案條文
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transcript.whisperx[59].text 三委員范雲等17人提案第19條第二條及對應提案條文四
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transcript.whisperx[60].text 黃建浩等21人提案增定第19條之一及對應提案條文法律修正動議
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transcript.whisperx[61].text 既有九案通過附帶決議七項
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transcript.whisperx[63].text 第二十條照各委員提案及委員林月琴等三人所提修正動議通過
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transcript.whisperx[65].text 第十條第十一條第十九條之二增定第十九條之三及對應提案條文
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transcript.whisperx[67].text 是保留知修正動議
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transcript.whisperx[68].text 既有六案
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transcript.whisperx[69].text 五通過附帶決議五項
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transcript.whisperx[70].text 七月三十日邀請衛生福利部部長及教育部次長就
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transcript.whisperx[72].text 本日會議專題報告及討論事項採綜合詢答
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transcript.whisperx[73].text 經委員邱慧如代表臺灣民眾黨黨團及陳冠廷說明提案
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transcript.whisperx[74].text 只去由衛生福利部部長石崇良報告及說明
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transcript.whisperx[76].text 軍軍衛生福利部部長石崇良及各相關主管
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transcript.whisperx[78].text 文徐欣瑩等5人所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報
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transcript.whisperx[91].text 信用委員提出程序發言
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transcript.whisperx[92].text 依據依據立法院議事規則
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transcript.whisperx[97].text 主席跟委員大家早安
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transcript.whisperx[98].text 最新的這個獨有事件爆發了
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transcript.whisperx[99].text 台糖公司竟然發現致癌藥而隱匿不通報
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transcript.whisperx[102].text 請問台糖的這批油是不是它的原料
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transcript.whisperx[106].text 為什麼不用通報主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[111].text 台糖這樣的做法
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transcript.whisperx[112].text 連一個吹哨者都不如
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transcript.whisperx[114].text 竟然不通報主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[118].text 你在2024年
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transcript.whisperx[132].text 通通都不用通報主管機關嗎
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transcript.whisperx[138].text 造成多大的破口跟危機嗎
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transcript.whisperx[143].text 退貨然後當作沒發生就好了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[146].text 今天國民黨我們要變更議程
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transcript.whisperx[147].text 前面先處理臨時提案
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transcript.whisperx[149].text 該查辦就查辦
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transcript.whisperx[150].text 該下台就下台
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transcript.whisperx[151].text 謝謝王玉明委員
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transcript.whisperx[152].text 現在請第二位登記委員林玉琴召委
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transcript.whisperx[155].text 食品安全衛生管理法
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transcript.whisperx[156].text 部分條文修正草案共三十七案
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transcript.whisperx[157].text 我們的輪值召委週一
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transcript.whisperx[158].text 針列了專題報告
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transcript.whisperx[162].text 卻臨時變更議程
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transcript.whisperx[164].text 可不可以先審食安法
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transcript.whisperx[166].text 為什麼把這個時間
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transcript.whisperx[167].text 今天如果早上四上四再詢答
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transcript.whisperx[179].text 等於還沒有開始詢答
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transcript.whisperx[183].text 如果今天要談責任
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transcript.whisperx[186].text 哪個環節出了問題
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transcript.whisperx[207].text 用同一套標準不要只挑中央來寫
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transcript.whisperx[210].text 本來中央地方業者的各個權責義務
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transcript.whisperx[211].text 都應該要講清楚說明白
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transcript.whisperx[213].text 否則這就不是釐清實案責任
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transcript.whisperx[215].text 再用委員會的議程來配合政治操作
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transcript.whisperx[216].text 好 謝謝聯業群委員
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transcript.whisperx[217].text 接下來請泛民委員
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transcript.whisperx[218].text 大家好 我想非常的遺憾
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transcript.whisperx[219].text 看到原本整個社會期待
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transcript.whisperx[220].text 朝野都說要儘速修實案法
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transcript.whisperx[221].text 可是我們看到的
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transcript.whisperx[222].text 朝偉今天他是變更議程
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transcript.whisperx[223].text 然後你看一下他這個議程叫什麼
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transcript.whisperx[224].text 中央一位蓋牌吃案當門神
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transcript.whisperx[225].text 為什麼這件事情已經釐清的越來越多
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transcript.whisperx[231].text 這整個事件都送檢調中
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transcript.whisperx[239].text 都應該客責他必須立刻通報
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transcript.whisperx[254].text 這一些會讓人擔心的食品全部都下架了
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transcript.whisperx[256].text 未來如何不要再發生這樣的事
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transcript.whisperx[262].text 等一下 唸一下條文
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transcript.whisperx[283].text 現在接下來請邱霍入委員
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transcript.whisperx[352].text 來扭曲來誤解
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transcript.whisperx[355].text 你說不適任的官員你自然會處理
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transcript.whisperx[356].text 處理到現在請問處理了哪一位
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transcript.whisperx[359].text 就是讓我們看到這整個政府
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transcript.whisperx[360].text 就是處理到最後然後就沒有然後了
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transcript.whisperx[361].text 頂多只是讓我們看到
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transcript.whisperx[362].text 不斷的蓋牌跟保庇而已
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transcript.whisperx[364].text 謝謝邱輝瑞委員
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transcript.whisperx[365].text 接下來請王政旭委員
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transcript.whisperx[366].text 好 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[370].text 不過我們當然要尊重主席排案的權責
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transcript.whisperx[374].text 走完程序就要進入到這個
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transcript.whisperx[393].text 重做完整調查報告等等的內容來看
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transcript.whisperx[400].text 現在這個現行的施案法裡面
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transcript.whisperx[403].text 這個是大家都有的共識
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transcript.whisperx[440].text 這幾天這麼多的新市政
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transcript.whisperx[442].text 質詢才知道漏洞在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[448].text 沒有不修法
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transcript.whisperx[449].text 下午就要修法
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transcript.whisperx[452].text 上週石崇良部長在這邊說
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transcript.whisperx[453].text 這個20%的專家學者會議
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transcript.whisperx[456].text 看起來應該是科長
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transcript.whisperx[465].text 第三位還沒有被收押的
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transcript.whisperx[467].text 他都知道專家ABCDEFG是誰
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transcript.whisperx[468].text 他可以告訴非常多人
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transcript.whisperx[470].text 這就是為什麼我們今天需要追出真相
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transcript.whisperx[475].text 到底是出了什麼問題
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transcript.whisperx[483].text 為什麼兩天前後不一
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transcript.whisperx[489].text 他們已經收集好所有的資料
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transcript.whisperx[494].text 因此我們也必須清楚的
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transcript.whisperx[495].text 藉由今天的質詢
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transcript.whisperx[496].text 還有今天的修法
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transcript.whisperx[497].text 來釐清中央還有地方政府的責任
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transcript.whisperx[498].text 到底在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[499].text 所以今天我們國民黨團民眾黨團
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transcript.whisperx[500].text 就是主張先追真相
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transcript.whisperx[501].text 先找出漏洞
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transcript.whisperx[502].text 再來一同修法
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transcript.whisperx[503].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[504].text 謝謝陳青輝委員
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transcript.whisperx[505].text 接下來請廖偉祥委員
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transcript.whisperx[506].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[507].text 剛剛有委員提到說不要雙標
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transcript.whisperx[508].text 我想問有誰比民進黨更雙標
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transcript.whisperx[509].text 有人說不要打假球
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transcript.whisperx[510].text 有誰比民進黨更打假球
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transcript.whisperx[511].text 這件事情發生到現在
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transcript.whisperx[512].text 我們看到的是官官相護
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transcript.whisperx[513].text 修食安法這麼重要
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transcript.whisperx[514].text 當然也重要
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transcript.whisperx[515].text 下午也要修
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transcript.whisperx[516].text 可是到現在為止
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transcript.whisperx[517].text 我相信人民看到現在的發生的情況
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transcript.whisperx[518].text 我都在想修食安法到底有沒有用
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transcript.whisperx[519].text 現在我們看到的是行政部門
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transcript.whisperx[520].text 國營企業彼此之間官官相護
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transcript.whisperx[521].text 居然5月台糖就知道了
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transcript.whisperx[522].text 結果沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[523].text 沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[525].text 說他是乖寶寶
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transcript.whisperx[526].text 說沒有通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[527].text 連高檢署的檢察官都出來打臉
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transcript.whisperx[528].text 說通報是法定的義務
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transcript.whisperx[529].text 我們看到台糖的總公司在台南
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transcript.whisperx[530].text 另外法治上面
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transcript.whisperx[531].text 也適用於當時賴清德當市長的時候
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transcript.whisperx[532].text 台南市的食品安全管理自治條例第八條
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transcript.whisperx[533].text 食品業者發現上游供應之食品
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transcript.whisperx[541].text 除因依相關法令通報主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[544].text 而依食安法的第三條第一項第一款
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transcript.whisperx[545].text 食品是指工人飲食或咀嚼的產品及其原料
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transcript.whisperx[546].text 原料
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transcript.whisperx[547].text 也就是台糖知道其原料商中聯有紙有品原料
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transcript.whisperx[551].text 而不是只是告訴中聯有紙
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transcript.whisperx[552].text 所以剛剛講到我們都很擔心
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transcript.whisperx[553].text 依照現在的政府的態度
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transcript.whisperx[554].text 官官相護的態度
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transcript.whisperx[555].text 蓋牌的態度
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transcript.whisperx[556].text 現在修法是不是真的有用
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transcript.whisperx[557].text 之前食藥署在辣椒粉蘇丹紅事件的時候也說
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transcript.whisperx[558].text 為了維護民眾身體健康
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transcript.whisperx[560].text 請確認原料安全
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transcript.whisperx[561].text 以確保產品之安全衛生
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transcript.whisperx[562].text 再來開會的時候
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transcript.whisperx[563].text 在2024年3月11號也是食藥署的時候
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transcript.whisperx[564].text 還有自主通報有疑慮之產品
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transcript.whisperx[566].text 應主動停止製造加工販賣及辦理回收
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transcript.whisperx[568].text 違反者應該要依食安法第47條
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transcript.whisperx[569].text 第二款除新台幣3萬以上3百萬以下的罰鍰
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transcript.whisperx[570].text 食藥署重申
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transcript.whisperx[571].text 藉由嚴格把關源頭支援料安全
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transcript.whisperx[572].text 並透過政府及業者攜手守護食安
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transcript.whisperx[573].text 堅決遏制不法行為
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transcript.whisperx[574].text 食安法的根本用意不就是
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transcript.whisperx[575].text 民進黨一直在講的食安五環
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transcript.whisperx[576].text 不就是應該從源頭保護人民食品的安全嗎
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transcript.whisperx[577].text 讓大家吃得安心
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transcript.whisperx[578].text 這不是人民最基本的需求
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transcript.whisperx[580].text 但是現在的行政部門看到的還是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[581].text 居然可以說這不是原料
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transcript.whisperx[582].text 居然可以說台糖不勝爆是好寶寶好棒棒
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transcript.whisperx[583].text 這是讓人民痛心疾首的地方
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transcript.whisperx[584].text 所以剛剛還有委員說對於
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transcript.whisperx[585].text 這個主席排審對於這個主題感到很失望
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transcript.whisperx[586].text 我想現在全體人民最失望的是現在的民進黨政府
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transcript.whisperx[587].text 謝謝廖委員
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transcript.whisperx[588].text 接下來請李坤城委員
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transcript.whisperx[589].text 他要登記了
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transcript.whisperx[590].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[591].text 基本上怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[592].text 基本上今天這個衛門會
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transcript.whisperx[593].text 所排的這一個
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transcript.whisperx[594].text 蓋牌吃案當門神
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transcript.whisperx[595].text 這個專案報告
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transcript.whisperx[596].text 這個專案報告基本上就是先射箭再劃靶
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transcript.whisperx[597].text 先射箭再劃靶
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transcript.whisperx[598].text 你說這個台糖有沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[599].text 有沒有通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[601].text 他們的台糖是買的是原料
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transcript.whisperx[602].text 不像這個南僑買的是產品
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transcript.whisperx[603].text 如果說大家認為說原料也要有通報的義務的話
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transcript.whisperx[605].text 修食安法不是現在我們今天應該要來討論的主題嗎
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transcript.whisperx[606].text 但是呢我看
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transcript.whisperx[607].text 這個再也得要排一個蓋牌吃案當門神
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transcript.whisperx[608].text 這個我覺得比較適用在
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transcript.whisperx[609].text 盧秀燕
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transcript.whisperx[610].text 比較適用在盧秀燕
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transcript.whisperx[611].text 為什麼當中聯出問題的時候
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transcript.whisperx[613].text 為什麼在野黨要這麼緊張的
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transcript.whisperx[614].text 要這麼惶恐的
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transcript.whisperx[615].text 趕快要把責任推給台糖
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transcript.whisperx[616].text 因為他們知道說
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transcript.whisperx[617].text 其實真正製造問題的地方是在中聯
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transcript.whisperx[618].text 中聯就在台中
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transcript.whisperx[619].text 台中市政府為什麼這八年只查了一次
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transcript.whisperx[620].text 那一次還是配合食藥署去查的
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transcript.whisperx[622].text 我想中聯不至於發生這個製造問題有的問題
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transcript.whisperx[631].text 她根本搞不清楚
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transcript.whisperx[632].text 還說在台南這個有通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[634].text 這樣盧秀燕現在連食用油
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transcript.whisperx[635].text 跟這個器材油都搞不清楚了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[641].text 也送給蔣萬安
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transcript.whisperx[642].text 這幾個字也很適合蔣萬安
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transcript.whisperx[644].text 這個夏立是幼兒園
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transcript.whisperx[645].text 這個問題請問一下蔣萬安有處理了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[646].text 因為蔣萬安沒有處理
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transcript.whisperx[647].text 所以我們等一下我們黨團
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transcript.whisperx[648].text 特別會提出一個臨時的提案
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transcript.whisperx[649].text 這個要求
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transcript.whisperx[650].text 這個為什麼燈光按下來了
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transcript.whisperx[654].text 還有職權行使適當
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transcript.whisperx[655].text 權責分工不清
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transcript.whisperx[658].text 來確保兒童受教權益身心安全
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transcript.whisperx[659].text 所以這幾個字
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transcript.whisperx[661].text 就在這邊原封不動
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transcript.whisperx[662].text 送給要當中聯有子門神的盧秀燕
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transcript.whisperx[664].text 還有送給蔣萬安
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transcript.whisperx[665].text 謝謝您的觀賞
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transcript.whisperx[666].text 接下來請羅庭委員
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transcript.whisperx[667].text 陳旭發言登記截止
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transcript.whisperx[668].text 不好意思 先會議請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[669].text 那個發言時間三分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[670].text 我們剛看到范英委員
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transcript.whisperx[671].text 在講話的時候非常卡
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transcript.whisperx[672].text 完全都沒有順起來
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transcript.whisperx[673].text 所以我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[674].text 就是感覺到
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transcript.whisperx[675].text 他們都覺得心虛
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transcript.whisperx[676].text 今天其實我剛上來
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transcript.whisperx[677].text 我沒有要發言
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transcript.whisperx[678].text 但是我特別登記
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transcript.whisperx[679].text 登記的原因是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[681].text 謝謝昆辰 熊剛剛
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transcript.whisperx[682].text 誠實的跟大家講
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transcript.whisperx[683].text 大家可以回放一下
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transcript.whisperx[684].text 剛剛李昆辰委員
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transcript.whisperx[685].text 他有講說這是原料
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transcript.whisperx[686].text 所以請確認原料安全
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transcript.whisperx[687].text 在這邊再幫他科普一下
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transcript.whisperx[688].text 我們看到了
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transcript.whisperx[689].text 落實自主管理
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transcript.whisperx[690].text 確認原料安全
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transcript.whisperx[691].text 一個信心
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transcript.whisperx[692].text 我特別多打幾個信心
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transcript.whisperx[693].text 讓大家能夠稍微了解一下
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transcript.whisperx[694].text 昆辰熊又特別的幫我們助陣
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transcript.whisperx[695].text 講它是原料
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transcript.whisperx[696].text 所以我們就可以看到
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transcript.whisperx[698].text 確認原料符合規定
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transcript.whisperx[700].text 這樣子的一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[701].text 辣椒粉需下架回收外
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transcript.whisperx[703].text 意為下架回收的範圍
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transcript.whisperx[704].text 違反食安法第15條
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transcript.whisperx[705].text 第一項規定者
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transcript.whisperx[706].text 處薪台幣六萬到兩億以下
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transcript.whisperx[707].text 勤儉重大者
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transcript.whisperx[708].text 並得命期歇業
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transcript.whisperx[709].text 停業一定時間
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transcript.whisperx[710].text 廢棄
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transcript.whisperx[711].text 廢止其公司 商業 工廠之全部
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transcript.whisperx[712].text 以及部分登記事項
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transcript.whisperx[714].text 經廢止登錄者
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transcript.whisperx[718].text 我們都可以看到
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transcript.whisperx[719].text 用蘇丹紅這樣子的案例
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transcript.whisperx[720].text 就清楚明確
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transcript.whisperx[721].text 原料還是原料
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transcript.whisperx[723].text 所以再次特別上台
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transcript.whisperx[725].text 我們昆辰委員剛剛有幫我們認證
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transcript.whisperx[726].text 他是原料
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transcript.whisperx[727].text 所以我覺得這根本就沒有疑慮
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transcript.whisperx[728].text 這個論述就已經透過昆辰熊
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transcript.whisperx[733].text 所以今天更希望能夠站在民眾
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transcript.whisperx[735].text 這樣子的一個前提之下
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transcript.whisperx[738].text 雖然我在這個上台的過程中
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transcript.whisperx[739].text 沒有說講得非常的順
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transcript.whisperx[741].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[742].text 程序還有完畢
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transcript.whisperx[744].text 邀請衛生福利部部長
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transcript.whisperx[748].text 消費者保護處就從治癌事件發展至今
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transcript.whisperx[751].text 完整調查報告
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transcript.whisperx[753].text 團體訴訟求償進度
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transcript.whisperx[754].text 及未來如何確保安全無虞的國軍團散
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transcript.whisperx[755].text 學生營養午餐進行專題報告並備質詢
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transcript.whisperx[756].text 主席臺這邊收待邱正均委員等
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transcript.whisperx[757].text 林業勤委員等人分別提議
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transcript.whisperx[758].text 並跟今月上午的議程
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transcript.whisperx[759].text 請醫事人員一併宣讀提案內容
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transcript.whisperx[761].text 便跟優先處理臨時提案
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transcript.whisperx[762].text 提案委員邱正均 蘇清泉
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transcript.whisperx[763].text 王毓民 盧憲義 圖權己 陳金輝 廖偉祥
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transcript.whisperx[764].text 便跟議程二
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transcript.whisperx[765].text 說服力及衛生環境委員會
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transcript.whisperx[766].text 8月5日議程原定審查食品安全衛生管理法
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transcript.whisperx[767].text 部分條文修正草案共37案
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transcript.whisperx[768].text 回輪值召委於週一增列專題報告
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transcript.whisperx[769].text 以標題帶風向以政治口水取代
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transcript.whisperx[770].text 真正修補食安法險非人民期待
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transcript.whisperx[784].text 提案委員林月 請劉建國 黃秀芳
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transcript.whisperx[785].text 王振旭宣讀完畢
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transcript.whisperx[787].text 第二案建議先除了臨時提案
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transcript.whisperx[790].text 提案內容互斥
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transcript.whisperx[797].text 表決前請議事人先請點出席委員人數
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transcript.whisperx[804].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[806].text 這是第21 threads
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transcript.whisperx[809].text 暫且則多數本案通過
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transcript.whisperx[810].text 其實針對那個變更第二案有沒有意義
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transcript.whisperx[846].text 共四案
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transcript.whisperx[848].text 臨時提案一
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transcript.whisperx[886].text 明確揭示食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[890].text 安法第47條課處
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transcript.whisperx[891].text 3萬以上300萬元以下罰還此外
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transcript.whisperx[892].text 刑事訴訟法第241條
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transcript.whisperx[901].text 台唐不了解這個邏輯來閃躲
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transcript.whisperx[902].text 經濟部刻意把重大
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transcript.whisperx[903].text 食安警訊扭曲成日常小事
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transcript.whisperx[910].text 政府官員的
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transcript.whisperx[915].text 原則要求社會福利及衛生環境委員會
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transcript.whisperx[921].text 並將懲處結果送交本委員會
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transcript.whisperx[923].text 提案委員王毓民訴金權曾經會求會入
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transcript.whisperx[924].text 宣讀完畢
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transcript.whisperx[927].text 有關於這個案子我們完全不能接受
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transcript.whisperx[937].text 請委員表示意見
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transcript.whisperx[942].text 現在委員王毓民等人
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transcript.whisperx[947].text 立法院點名表決辦法相關規定
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transcript.whisperx[955].text 一概辦法第六條第二項
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transcript.whisperx[960].text 唱名完畢應即進行計算宣告結果
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transcript.whisperx[961].text 一千代步順序
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transcript.whisperx[965].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[994].text 表決結果
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transcript.whisperx[995].text 在場出席委員12人不含主席
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transcript.whisperx[996].text 贊成者7人反對者5人
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transcript.whisperx[997].text 期權人數0人
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transcript.whisperx[999].text 照案通過
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transcript.whisperx[1000].text 現在進行第二案
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transcript.whisperx[1001].text 第二案針對食藥署7月4日召開專家會議請各領域專家出席包含食品安全獨立及風險評估等共同檢視中聯公司於7月3日提送台中市政府的異常發生原因分析矯正措施及預防再發措施報告
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transcript.whisperx[1002].text 並由中聯公司列席說明相關報告兼專家審慎討論後認定中聯公司未提出有效改善措施決議不准復工一事
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transcript.whisperx[1003].text 建請衛生福利部食品藥物管理署公開115年7月4日當天的專家會議記錄
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transcript.whisperx[1004].text 讓社會各界充分了解討論內容及決策依據
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transcript.whisperx[1005].text 以落實資訊公開政策透明避免外界造成誤解或不實傳播
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transcript.whisperx[1007].text 提案委員林月琴、黃秀芳、王振旭、劉建國宣讀完畢
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transcript.whisperx[1008].text 可使表決
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transcript.whisperx[1010].text 請問您有問題
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transcript.whisperx[1011].text 嗯 沒事吧 請慢一點
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transcript.whisperx[1012].text 好 請行政機關表示意見
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transcript.whisperx[1013].text OK 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[1015].text 有關這個提案
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transcript.whisperx[1016].text 7月4日當天的專家會議相關記錄或影音錄音檔、文件資料
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transcript.whisperx[1017].text 事實上我們在日前就已經全部送交檢調機關來查明
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transcript.whisperx[1018].text 讓大家以正視聽
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transcript.whisperx[1019].text 這個我們已經做了
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transcript.whisperx[1020].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[1021].text 從剛剛第一個提案
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transcript.whisperx[1022].text 那麼這樣的扭曲跟指控
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transcript.whisperx[1023].text 我覺得非常的痛心、遺憾
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transcript.whisperx[1024].text 所以謝謝委員本案的提案
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transcript.whisperx[1025].text 我們今天就會把所有的會議記錄公開
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transcript.whisperx[1027].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[1028].text 前面的委員有沒有意見
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transcript.whisperx[1029].text 沒有
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transcript.whisperx[1030].text 如果沒有意見就在案通過
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transcript.whisperx[1031].text 宣讀第三案
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transcript.whisperx[1032].text 第三案
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transcript.whisperx[1033].text 提案委員林月請留建國、黃秀芳、王振旭、陳瑩宣讀完畢
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transcript.whisperx[1034].text 請現在機關表示意見
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transcript.whisperx[1035].text 主席跟各位委員
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transcript.whisperx[1036].text 我想這個額虐事件也好
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transcript.whisperx[1037].text 食安事件也好
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transcript.whisperx[1038].text 那麼在這些事件上的處理上
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transcript.whisperx[1039].text 一項都是由中央制定相關的政策
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transcript.whisperx[1040].text 相關的指引
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transcript.whisperx[1041].text 那麼地方需要去落實執行
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transcript.whisperx[1042].text 中央跟地方一起合作無間
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transcript.whisperx[1043].text 才能夠真正杜絕這些食安的事件
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transcript.whisperx[1044].text 跟額虐的事件
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transcript.whisperx[1045].text 所以對於一連串發生的這樣的
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transcript.whisperx[1046].text 台北市的這些額虐事件
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transcript.whisperx[1047].text 我們深深的感到痛心
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transcript.whisperx[1048].text 那麼我們一定會來跟台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1049].text 那麼一起就這些事件上
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transcript.whisperx[1050].text 那麼儘速的提出一些報告
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transcript.whisperx[1051].text 來確保我們兒童的受教權益
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transcript.whisperx[1052].text 跟身心安全
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transcript.whisperx[1053].text 所以本案我們競表同意
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transcript.whisperx[1054].text 好前面委員有沒有意見
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transcript.whisperx[1057].text 補充說明
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transcript.whisperx[1058].text 在我們2026年的7月
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transcript.whisperx[1059].text 又爆發了我們台北市的夏立思幼兒
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transcript.whisperx[1060].text 圓的集團
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transcript.whisperx[1061].text 再度的爆發額虐
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transcript.whisperx[1062].text 今天2025年的2月
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transcript.whisperx[1065].text 受害孩子13人
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transcript.whisperx[1069].text 導致家長繼續把孩子送到
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transcript.whisperx[1072].text 再度的再發生
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transcript.whisperx[1075].text 一個幼兒園可以76起
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transcript.whisperx[1076].text 然後13個孩子受害
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transcript.whisperx[1077].text 那市府完全沒有列管追蹤
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transcript.whisperx[1078].text 那也沒有對於該連鎖集團
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transcript.whisperx[1079].text 進行更嚴格的管控
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transcript.whisperx[1080].text 反而事實上讓他的感謝卡
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transcript.whisperx[1084].text 如果是寡婆情的
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transcript.whisperx[1090].text 還涉及到衛生缺失跟操守
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transcript.whisperx[1091].text 還有消防安全之約問題
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transcript.whisperx[1092].text 一個守善之都對我們的兒童
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transcript.whisperx[1093].text 保護跟兒童安全
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transcript.whisperx[1094].text 竟然事實上是這麼樣的漠視
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transcript.whisperx[1098].text 施案當門神
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transcript.whisperx[1099].text 以及職權行使失當
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transcript.whisperx[1100].text 職權分工不清
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transcript.whisperx[1102].text 還有一個凱斯幼兒園也是
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transcript.whisperx[1103].text 改名字繼續
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transcript.whisperx[1104].text 然後又連發了三起的兒虐不當對待
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transcript.whisperx[1106].text 都一直在講少子話
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transcript.whisperx[1107].text 可是有真的把我們的孩子當寶貝嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1108].text 如果是三寶寶的話
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transcript.whisperx[1110].text 每個孩子當自己的孩子
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transcript.whisperx[1111].text 而不是任由自己的孩子
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transcript.whisperx[1113].text 結果台北市的市民的孩子
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transcript.whisperx[1114].text 根本不當一回事
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transcript.whisperx[1115].text 所以我們也希望趕快提出
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transcript.whisperx[1116].text 我們的調查報告
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transcript.whisperx[1117].text 來確保我們孩子
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transcript.whisperx[1118].text 受教權益跟身心安全
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transcript.whisperx[1119].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[1120].text 請問我有沒有意義
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transcript.whisperx[1121].text 沒有意義我們就照提案內容通過
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transcript.whisperx[1122].text 現在進行第四案
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transcript.whisperx[1123].text 第四案
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transcript.whisperx[1124].text 請行政機關表示意見
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transcript.whisperx[1125].text 這一案跟前一案的提案是相同
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transcript.whisperx[1128].text 沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[1129].text 我剛剛已經提到
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transcript.whisperx[1130].text 這個都是需要中央跟地方的合作
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transcript.whisperx[1132].text 更是這個成敗的關鍵
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transcript.whisperx[1133].text 所以這個我們會來提出
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transcript.whisperx[1136].text 臨時提案處理完畢
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transcript.whisperx[1137].text 好接著介紹在場委員
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transcript.whisperx[1158].text 陸軍副使公務中心主任江振賢
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transcript.whisperx[1162].text 長官署署長谷宇松
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transcript.whisperx[1166].text 司法衛生司法官楊書蘭
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transcript.whisperx[1167].text 接下來請衛生福利部石成良部長就專題進行報告
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transcript.whisperx[1168].text 主席跟各位委員
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transcript.whisperx[1169].text 以下就今天大院所關切的中聯食品
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transcript.whisperx[1170].text 中聯油脂公司的油脂案進行報告
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transcript.whisperx[1171].text 本案是在115年6月30日下午46分
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transcript.whisperx[1172].text 才接獲到中聯油脂股份有限公司通報
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transcript.whisperx[1173].text 對於他的大豆沙拉有不符食品安全衛生管理法的相關本篇筆的鈔票規定
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transcript.whisperx[1174].text 我們就立即啟動了應變的機制
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transcript.whisperx[1175].text 那麼首先第一呢
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transcript.whisperx[1176].text 在7月1號就會同台中市政府這個食安處前往中聯公司查核
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transcript.whisperx[1177].text 並且要求中聯公司7月1號開始就已經停止了大豆沙拉油的製造及出貨
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transcript.whisperx[1178].text 包含那麼今天那麼台糖沒有採購的這個脫膠出油的部分
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transcript.whisperx[1179].text 一樣不能夠持續進行加工製造
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transcript.whisperx[1180].text 更不可出貨
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transcript.whisperx[1181].text 那麼在為釐清原因跟改善
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transcript.whisperx[1183].text 地方主管機關審查通過之前不得恢復作業
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transcript.whisperx[1185].text 那麼在這個事件之後也立即啟動了下架回收的作業
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transcript.whisperx[1187].text 那麼逐步擴大預防性下架作為
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transcript.whisperx[1188].text 直到7月9號那麼宣布全面性4到6月的中聯的製造油品
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transcript.whisperx[1189].text 全面在7月10號中午12點之前完成下架
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transcript.whisperx[1190].text 那麼第三我們擴大了抽驗
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transcript.whisperx[1191].text 為了確保所有油品的安全性
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transcript.whisperx[1192].text 那麼食藥署啟動擴大的抽驗
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transcript.whisperx[1195].text 那麼其餘呢
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transcript.whisperx[1198].text 那麼
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transcript.whisperx[1199].text 19批油品及其檢驗合格的產品那麼可以重新的上架
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transcript.whisperx[1201].text 仍然維持在中聯的這個廠方不得在這一次的上架的範圍
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transcript.whisperx[1205].text 那麼呈現本次的事件主要是來自於高風險的原料
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transcript.whisperx[1206].text 為搭配製程及檢驗的監測管理所致
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transcript.whisperx[1207].text 那麼也給予相關的這個
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transcript.whisperx[1208].text 檢討的要求那麼由地方政府去落實執行
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transcript.whisperx[1209].text 那麼至於今天大家所關切的
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transcript.whisperx[1210].text 台糖在5月11日
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transcript.whisperx[1211].text 自中聯公司取樣油槽檢體送驗
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transcript.whisperx[1213].text 未達其合約的驗收標準
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transcript.whisperx[1214].text 而未於採購收貨的相關疑義
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transcript.whisperx[1215].text 那麼我也做以下的說明
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transcript.whisperx[1216].text 依照食安法第3條第一款的規定
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transcript.whisperx[1217].text 所稱食品為公飲食或咀嚼之
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transcript.whisperx[1218].text 這個產品及其原料
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transcript.whisperx[1219].text 那麼食安法的第7條第5項也明定
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transcript.whisperx[1220].text 食品業者對於產品有危害健康治癒的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1221].text 應該要向主管機關進行通報
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transcript.whisperx[1222].text 那麼這個是法律上那麼明定
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transcript.whisperx[1223].text 那麼我們當然可以理解
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transcript.whisperx[1224].text 那麼各位委員跟國人對於食安
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transcript.whisperx[1225].text 那麼我們絕對是用最高的標準
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transcript.whisperx[1226].text 那麼希望能夠達到這個
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transcript.whisperx[1228].text 那麼不過在法律上
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transcript.whisperx[1229].text 那麼我們必須也要依法的行政
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transcript.whisperx[1230].text 那麼以本案來講
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transcript.whisperx[1231].text 那麼他所當時候的採購對象
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transcript.whisperx[1232].text 對象為脫交原油
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transcript.whisperx[1233].text 那麼脫交原油呢
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transcript.whisperx[1237].text 而我們所訂的這個食品安全標準
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transcript.whisperx[1239].text 叫做直接供食品中汙染物質及毒素衛生標準
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transcript.whisperx[1244].text 那麼至於外界也提到這個辣椒粉
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transcript.whisperx[1245].text 違法使用蘇丹紅那麼這個通報
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transcript.whisperx[1246].text 辣椒粉本身就已經是產品
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transcript.whisperx[1247].text 那麼蘇丹紅呢
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transcript.whisperx[1248].text 則是禁用物質
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transcript.whisperx[1250].text 他是不得添加
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transcript.whisperx[1251].text 那麼因此當時候我們才會明確的
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transcript.whisperx[1252].text 因為他是不得添加
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transcript.whisperx[1253].text 所以不論是在原料
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transcript.whisperx[1254].text 或者是產品都不可以出現
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transcript.whisperx[1255].text 所以這個是兩者之間不可以相同並論
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transcript.whisperx[1256].text 所以簡單的講
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transcript.whisperx[1258].text 而這一次的爭議對象是脫交原油
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transcript.whisperx[1259].text 那麼他並不是食用油脂
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transcript.whisperx[1260].text 那麼他上有其他的用途
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transcript.whisperx[1261].text 譬如他可以做肥皂
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transcript.whisperx[1262].text 譬如他可以去做工業油
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transcript.whisperx[1265].text 那麼行政院的消費者保護處
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transcript.whisperx[1267].text 來協調消保團體
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transcript.whisperx[1268].text 包含台銷會跟消極會
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transcript.whisperx[1269].text 來受理民眾的請求損害賠償
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transcript.whisperx[1270].text 那麼後續也會以食安基金來給予
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transcript.whisperx[1271].text 在雙方訴訟過程當中的費用的支持
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transcript.whisperx[1272].text 那麼以上的報告
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transcript.whisperx[1273].text 再請大院委員指教
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transcript.whisperx[1274].text 現在開始詢答
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transcript.whisperx[1275].text 做一下宣告
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transcript.whisperx[1276].text 有關本次會議各項書面資料均列入記錄刊登公報
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transcript.whisperx[1277].text 本會委員詢討時間6加2分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[1278].text 列席委員4加1分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[1279].text 4點半截止發言登記
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transcript.whisperx[1280].text 委員沒有書面質詢前
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transcript.whisperx[1281].text 散會前提出預期不受理
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transcript.whisperx[1282].text 暫定4點半休息10分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[1283].text 現在請登記地位委員林業請召委發言
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transcript.whisperx[1284].text 謝謝主席有請時部長
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transcript.whisperx[1285].text 委員好
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transcript.whisperx[1286].text 部長早
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transcript.whisperx[1287].text 我想中年由事件爆發以來
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transcript.whisperx[1288].text 各種檢討的聲音都有
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transcript.whisperx[1289].text 可是今天我本來很期待是要趕快討論食安法的
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transcript.whisperx[1290].text 可是未卜足現有的法規的不足
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transcript.whisperx[1291].text 可是但
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transcript.whisperx[1292].text 國民黨變更議程
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transcript.whisperx[1293].text 討論食安法的時間
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transcript.whisperx[1294].text 拿來做政治卸責政治攻擊
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transcript.whisperx[1295].text 事情已經很清楚了
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transcript.whisperx[1296].text 中聯得知原料有問題的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1297].text 能來繼續生產有問題的食用油
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transcript.whisperx[1298].text 除了施法究責
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transcript.whisperx[1299].text 還當然必須要補
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transcript.whisperx[1300].text 修補我們食安法才能避免下一個中聯油
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transcript.whisperx[1302].text 一下子攻擊台糖
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transcript.whisperx[1306].text 代罪羔羊就是國民黨
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transcript.whisperx[1308].text 包括今天不討論食安法
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transcript.whisperx[1309].text 也就是國民黨
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transcript.whisperx[1311].text 所以今天用中央一昧的蓋牌
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transcript.whisperx[1312].text 吃案當門神
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transcript.whisperx[1313].text 作為專案報告的一個題目
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transcript.whisperx[1314].text 這根本不是解決問題
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transcript.whisperx[1315].text 而是拿來進行政治操作
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transcript.whisperx[1316].text 如果真的這麼在乎食安
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transcript.whisperx[1317].text 就應該要好好的花一天
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transcript.whisperx[1318].text 好好的
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transcript.whisperx[1320].text 補好來
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transcript.whisperx[1321].text 所以今天最重要的
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transcript.whisperx[1322].text 就是要先確認
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transcript.whisperx[1323].text 台糖的油到底有沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[1324].text 有沒有變成問題油
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transcript.whisperx[1326].text 我要直接請教部長
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transcript.whisperx[1328].text 這批有問題的油
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transcript.whisperx[1329].text 台糖油是安全的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1330].text 這個跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[1331].text 在從今年的一月到六月間
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transcript.whisperx[1338].text 8個樣次
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transcript.whisperx[1339].text 所以32個檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[1340].text 都是符合
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transcript.whisperx[1341].text 時間到
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transcript.whisperx[1342].text 可以按時間上庭了
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transcript.whisperx[1343].text 稍微微整他
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transcript.whisperx[1345].text 老師我們先休息10分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[1365].text 我們下次回來
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transcript.whisperx[1366].text 好大好大
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transcript.whisperx[1367].text 再一下對不對
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transcript.whisperx[1371].text 請李瑞請召委
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transcript.whisperx[1374].text 我剛問的是說
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transcript.whisperx[1375].text 有沒有用到這批問題油
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transcript.whisperx[1376].text 然後台糖的油是安全的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1379].text 這個台糖的
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transcript.whisperx[1382].text 至今還在
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transcript.whisperx[1383].text 這個中聯台中的中聯
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transcript.whisperx[1385].text 衛生局也是有封存
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transcript.whisperx[1388].text 這個食品加工鏈裡面的
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transcript.whisperx[1389].text 所以台糖是在中聯公司
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transcript.whisperx[1396].text 也沒有流入消費市場是不是
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transcript.whisperx[1397].text 可是另外一家南橋
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transcript.whisperx[1400].text 沒有依法通報
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transcript.whisperx[1403].text 所以我們得到的第一個結論
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transcript.whisperx[1405].text 所以沒有產出問題油的相關產品
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transcript.whisperx[1407].text 這應該是最大的差異
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transcript.whisperx[1408].text 那接下來我們大家就會
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transcript.whisperx[1409].text 很關心的問題就是說
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transcript.whisperx[1410].text 為什麼台糖不用通報
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transcript.whisperx[1411].text 那我現在就幫大家問清楚
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transcript.whisperx[1412].text 首先我們來看法規
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transcript.whisperx[1413].text 從中央法規的角度來看
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transcript.whisperx[1420].text 沒有投入製程
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transcript.whisperx[1421].text 更沒有成為食品進入市場
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transcript.whisperx[1422].text 再來就是從地方主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[1423].text 台南跟高雄的自製法規來看
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transcript.whisperx[1424].text 這也並非台南市
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transcript.whisperx[1425].text 食品安全管理自製條例
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transcript.whisperx[1426].text 第八條所稱的食品
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transcript.whisperx[1427].text 也因為它驗的事實上是脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[1428].text 可以作為食用油和工業品
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transcript.whisperx[1429].text 冷便筆衛生標準
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transcript.whisperx[1430].text 適用對象必須要可直接工人使用
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transcript.whisperx[1431].text 或直接作為食品加工用
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transcript.whisperx[1432].text 所以因此台糖並無該條例
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transcript.whisperx[1433].text 通報義務的適用
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transcript.whisperx[1434].text 請問部長
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transcript.whisperx[1435].text 從這兩個法規層面來看
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transcript.whisperx[1436].text 台糖是否真的具有通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[1437].text 和你們當初解釋蘇丹紅
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transcript.whisperx[1438].text 是同一個樣態嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1439].text 好 我再跟委員仔細的說明
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transcript.whisperx[1440].text 要先看這個食安法的第三條的名詞定義
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transcript.whisperx[1441].text 在名詞定義所稱的食品
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transcript.whisperx[1442].text 是包含了產品及其原料
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transcript.whisperx[1443].text 所以產品跟原料是分開的
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transcript.whisperx[1444].text 從第三條的名詞定義寫得很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[1445].text 那麼通報是寫在第七條的第五項
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transcript.whisperx[1446].text 指的是產品有健康危害之虞的通報
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transcript.whisperx[1447].text 所以如果舊法論法
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transcript.whisperx[1448].text 當然它是不包含原料
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transcript.whisperx[1449].text 所以這個是法規上
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transcript.whisperx[1450].text 未來要不要進行食安法的修法
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transcript.whisperx[1451].text 把原料 半成品都納入
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transcript.whisperx[1452].text 這個是可以來討論
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transcript.whisperx[1453].text 不過主管機關依法行政的角度來看
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transcript.whisperx[1454].text 確實是如此
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transcript.whisperx[1455].text 那麼這個是第一個
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transcript.whisperx[1456].text 第二個我們所訂的扁平比的標準
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transcript.whisperx[1457].text 是按照食安法第17條所訂出的標準
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transcript.whisperx[1458].text 指的是食用油脂的扁平比標準
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transcript.whisperx[1459].text 我們並不是去訂原料或半成品
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transcript.whisperx[1460].text 脫膠原油的標準
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transcript.whisperx[1461].text 判斷有沒有超標的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1462].text 看的是食用油脂
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transcript.whisperx[1463].text 也就是它從中聯已經出批的
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transcript.whisperx[1464].text 已經有批號的
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transcript.whisperx[1465].text 出批的每一批的這些油脂
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transcript.whisperx[1466].text 那麼在草裡面的
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transcript.whisperx[1467].text 我們目前是沒有訂標準
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transcript.whisperx[1468].text 而是要透過你的製程
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transcript.whisperx[1469].text 去確保最終產品的符合標準
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transcript.whisperx[1470].text 那麼從技術面還有相關的文獻來看
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transcript.whisperx[1471].text 脫膠原油出來之後
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transcript.whisperx[1472].text 後端它還要經過脫酸 脫色 脫臭
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transcript.whisperx[1473].text 那麼在這個過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[1474].text 它可以降低
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transcript.whisperx[1475].text 可以到80%的BAP扁平比的濃度的下降
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transcript.whisperx[1476].text 所以我們不會去訂在脫膠原油的濃度
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transcript.whisperx[1477].text 而是訂在後端
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transcript.whisperx[1478].text 這個觀念是在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[1479].text 所以看起來事實非常清楚
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transcript.whisperx[1480].text 一個是發現異常後
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transcript.whisperx[1481].text 立即拒收 完全沒有使用
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transcript.whisperx[1482].text 另外一個事實上是
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transcript.whisperx[1483].text 明知有問題仍然買回去繼續使用
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transcript.whisperx[1484].text 兩者的行為跟法律責任應該完全不同
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transcript.whisperx[1485].text 不能夠混為一談
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transcript.whisperx[1486].text 再來我們就回到核心
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transcript.whisperx[1487].text 我不是想要護航台糖
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transcript.whisperx[1488].text 而是要在這一檔說國營事業再幫忙蓋牌
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transcript.whisperx[1489].text 完全就是混淆視聽 惡意毀謗
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transcript.whisperx[1490].text 我想請大家回到台中地院的裁定書
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transcript.whisperx[1491].text 裁定書之所以提到台糖
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transcript.whisperx[1492].text 不是要證明台糖有問題
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transcript.whisperx[1493].text 而是要證明中聯公司早就知道我們的油品異常
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transcript.whisperx[1494].text 台糖已經把異常情況告訴中聯油
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transcript.whisperx[1495].text 南僑也曾經向中聯油反映
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transcript.whisperx[1496].text 但中聯油始終都沒有依法通報
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transcript.whisperx[1497].text 這才是整起事件真正的核心
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transcript.whisperx[1498].text 中聯油不是不知道
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transcript.whisperx[1499].text 而是明明知道有問題
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transcript.whisperx[1500].text 卻選擇隱瞞 讓食安風險持續存在
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transcript.whisperx[1501].text 所以回到這次修法
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transcript.whisperx[1502].text 要讓責任通報更加明確
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transcript.whisperx[1503].text 就今天不好好審法案
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transcript.whisperx[1504].text 反而用扣帽子 栽贓的專案報告來進行政治操作
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transcript.whisperx[1505].text 我真的覺得非常的遺憾
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transcript.whisperx[1506].text 因為很多動員要補的話
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transcript.whisperx[1507].text 一定要好好坐下來 好好的談
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transcript.whisperx[1508].text 所以如果真的要追究責任
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transcript.whisperx[1509].text 就應該追究中聯油本身
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transcript.whisperx[1510].text 以及工廠所在地的地方主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[1511].text 那個叫台中市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1512].text 所以我想問部長
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transcript.whisperx[1513].text 這次你們提出來草案
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transcript.whisperx[1514].text 是否會建立更完善的通報責任
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transcript.whisperx[1515].text 是不是說明一下這次修法的重點
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transcript.whisperx[1516].text 我也要再次強調
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transcript.whisperx[1517].text 蓋牌的是中聯
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transcript.whisperx[1518].text 南橋他蓋牌
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transcript.whisperx[1519].text 他沒有依照我們食安法的規定
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transcript.whisperx[1520].text 在發現
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transcript.whisperx[1521].text 這個產品有危害健康之虞的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1522].text 就通報主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[1523].text 所以蓋牌的是中聯
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transcript.whisperx[1524].text 是泰山 是南橋
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transcript.whisperx[1525].text 是福茂 是福壽
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transcript.whisperx[1526].text 所以我們這一次在這個修法裡面會加重
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transcript.whisperx[1527].text 沒有依法通報者
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transcript.whisperx[1528].text 那麼我們把原本3萬到300萬
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transcript.whisperx[1529].text 會提高到3000萬
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transcript.whisperx[1530].text 來加重這個
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transcript.whisperx[1531].text 為隱匿或者是為按時通報
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transcript.whisperx[1532].text 那麼他的處分
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transcript.whisperx[1533].text 那麼其他的通報的責任
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transcript.whisperx[1534].text 我們也會再擴大
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transcript.whisperx[1535].text 包含檢驗的實驗室
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transcript.whisperx[1536].text 過去在食安法第七條
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transcript.whisperx[1537].text 是針對食品業者通報的責任
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transcript.whisperx[1538].text 那從這個事件裡面我們發現
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transcript.whisperx[1539].text 其實檢驗端
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transcript.whisperx[1540].text 他也已經發現有異常了
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transcript.whisperx[1541].text 所以我們這一次修法
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transcript.whisperx[1542].text 也把通報的義務擴及到檢驗端
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transcript.whisperx[1543].text 也就是在這個檢驗室的部分
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transcript.whisperx[1544].text 也要依法來通報
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transcript.whisperx[1545].text 所以我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[1546].text 這個非常重要
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transcript.whisperx[1547].text 因為台中市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1548].text 身為中聯公司的縣市主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[1549].text 我們本來第二條就有很明確的
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transcript.whisperx[1550].text 中央有中央主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[1551].text 地方有地方的主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[1552].text 那盧市長卻一再推脫
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transcript.whisperx[1553].text 甩鍋時鐘說
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transcript.whisperx[1554].text 不清楚自己的責任
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transcript.whisperx[1555].text 現在一看到台糖就好像
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transcript.whisperx[1556].text 甚至看到仇人一樣
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transcript.whisperx[1557].text 大肆批評攻擊卻好像忘了
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transcript.whisperx[1558].text 自己所在地事實上是台中市
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transcript.whisperx[1559].text 才是這起事件
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transcript.whisperx[1560].text 最應該負起查查責任的地方
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transcript.whisperx[1561].text 依照食安法
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transcript.whisperx[1562].text 台中市政府本來就負有
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transcript.whisperx[1563].text 地方查查跟抽驗的責任
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transcript.whisperx[1564].text 所以問題的根本
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transcript.whisperx[1565].text 第一個除了中聯郵通報以外
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transcript.whisperx[1566].text 第二個問題就是
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transcript.whisperx[1567].text 我們的台中市政府盧市長
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transcript.whisperx[1568].text 部長事發至今
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transcript.whisperx[1569].text 我想基本的行政調查跟事實
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transcript.whisperx[1570].text 你應該也掌握
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transcript.whisperx[1571].text 如果從2024年至今
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transcript.whisperx[1572].text 台中市政府有針對
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transcript.whisperx[1573].text 中聯郵的本篇筆抽驗一次
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transcript.whisperx[1574].text 一次就好
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transcript.whisperx[1575].text 是不是早就發現
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transcript.whisperx[1576].text 中聯郵有問題了
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transcript.whisperx[1577].text 可是他們根本沒有驗過
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transcript.whisperx[1578].text 沒有錯吧
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transcript.whisperx[1579].text 他們驗了幾次
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transcript.whisperx[1580].text 有一次是在我們113年
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transcript.whisperx[1581].text 由食藥署啟動的專案
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transcript.whisperx[1582].text 稽查的部分
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transcript.whisperx[1583].text 要求要抽驗本篇筆那一次
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transcript.whisperx[1584].text 所以市政府才是最需要
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transcript.whisperx[1585].text 要負起責任
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transcript.whisperx[1586].text 所以我希望說
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transcript.whisperx[1587].text 未來在法的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1588].text 要把各自的責任都已經講清楚
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transcript.whisperx[1589].text 我覺得修了法
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transcript.whisperx[1590].text 如果又不能落實
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transcript.whisperx[1591].text 只會甩鍋
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transcript.whisperx[1592].text 那基本上沒有辦法
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transcript.whisperx[1593].text 讓我們的食安更安全
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transcript.whisperx[1594].text 以上謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[1595].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[1596].text 謝謝聯業群照我的質詢
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transcript.whisperx[1597].text 接下來請陳金輝委員
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transcript.whisperx[1598].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[1599].text 謝謝各位官員的出席
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transcript.whisperx[1600].text 還有委員的出席
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transcript.whisperx[1601].text 我想請石部長 江署長
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transcript.whisperx[1602].text 還有徐副主任
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transcript.whisperx[1603].text 請石部長 江署長
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transcript.whisperx[1604].text 以及徐副主任
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transcript.whisperx[1605].text 好 委員好
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transcript.whisperx[1607].text 當然我覺得你們捲入這個風波啦
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transcript.whisperx[1608].text 我也感到非常遺憾
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transcript.whisperx[1609].text 不過有議員已經告發你們瀆職
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transcript.whisperx[1610].text 有石部長 有江署長
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transcript.whisperx[1611].text 還有昨天加了台唐的董事長
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transcript.whisperx[1612].text 那議員昨天已經保全了證據
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transcript.whisperx[1613].text 比如說會議的影音檔
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transcript.whisperx[1614].text 或者是監視器
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transcript.whisperx[1615].text 那之後呢
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transcript.whisperx[1616].text 這些基層的人員
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transcript.whisperx[1617].text 今天名字有被披露在報紙上
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transcript.whisperx[1618].text 應該也會被一一叫去詢問
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transcript.whisperx[1619].text 關於這個會議的內容
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transcript.whisperx[1620].text 那再來應該也會傳在羈押裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1621].text 這個總經理還有廠長去做詢問
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transcript.whisperx[1622].text 所以今天這個議員也在看這段質詢
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transcript.whisperx[1623].text 今天的答詢非常重要
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transcript.whisperx[1624].text 一定要誠實的面對國人
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transcript.whisperx[1625].text 誠實的報告
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transcript.whisperx[1626].text 那我們先請江署長
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transcript.whisperx[1627].text 江署長因為您上週不在
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transcript.whisperx[1628].text 所以石部長幫您回覆了非常多的問題
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transcript.whisperx[1629].text 可是從我們今天揭露這個的資訊
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transcript.whisperx[1630].text 報紙上看到的資訊
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transcript.whisperx[1631].text 我們發現您才是這場會議的主持人
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transcript.whisperx[1632].text 這場會議是決定了
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transcript.whisperx[1633].text 這個20%以上下架
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transcript.whisperx[1634].text 20%以上可以保留
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transcript.whisperx[1635].text 那另外呢
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transcript.whisperx[1636].text 石部長也在上週幫您回答說
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transcript.whisperx[1637].text 這個業者是有在這場會議中討論復工
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transcript.whisperx[1638].text 那我想問一下
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transcript.whisperx[1639].text 因為石部長上禮拜是回覆
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transcript.whisperx[1640].text 這個會議分上下長次
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transcript.whisperx[1641].text 可是我們今天所有人
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transcript.whisperx[1642].text 印象中都停留在會議分上下長次
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transcript.whisperx[1643].text 這個哪邊看得出來分上下長次
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transcript.whisperx[1644].text 報告委員
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transcript.whisperx[1645].text 這個會議分成兩個議題
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transcript.whisperx[1646].text 第一個是檢視整個中聯這次的問題
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transcript.whisperx[1647].text 所以我們請了專家來在油品的部分
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transcript.whisperx[1648].text 製程的部分做進一步的說明
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transcript.whisperx[1649].text 那第二個部分呢就是針對
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transcript.whisperx[1650].text 我們根據106年下架回收的產品
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transcript.whisperx[1651].text 裡面的下架階層
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transcript.whisperx[1652].text 我們是定在因為是衛生安全標準
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transcript.whisperx[1653].text 所以是屬於第八類
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transcript.whisperx[1654].text 所以是在下架在議程
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transcript.whisperx[1655].text 所以是在下架在議程
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transcript.whisperx[1656].text 中聯製程
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transcript.whisperx[1657].text 福壽福茂泰山的油品的部分
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transcript.whisperx[1658].text 所以在7月
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transcript.whisperx[1659].text 我們確定的第一層的
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transcript.whisperx[1660].text 第一層我們看到有不同的聲音
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transcript.whisperx[1661].text 由於7月3號媒體上面其實在討論
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transcript.whisperx[1663].text 其實江市長
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transcript.whisperx[1664].text 所以我們再重新思考第二個議題
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transcript.whisperx[1665].text 我們只需要問出你會議
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transcript.whisperx[1666].text 到底有沒有分上下兩場
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transcript.whisperx[1667].text 因為石部長上週幫你回答
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transcript.whisperx[1668].text 會議分上下兩場
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transcript.whisperx[1669].text 應該是說我們會議裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1670].text 只有兩個重要議題
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transcript.whisperx[1671].text 上面第一個議題是
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transcript.whisperx[1672].text 我們去中聯相關的
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transcript.whisperx[1673].text 它本身的製程的是不是有議題
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transcript.whisperx[1674].text 專家來協助
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transcript.whisperx[1675].text 下半場我們針對說
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transcript.whisperx[1676].text 第一層下架之下
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transcript.whisperx[1677].text 是不是要往下走
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transcript.whisperx[1678].text 所以這邊特別提到
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transcript.whisperx[1679].text 是第二個議程的部分
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transcript.whisperx[1680].text 廠商幾點離開
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transcript.whisperx[1681].text 這個會議從3點開到5點
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transcript.whisperx[1683].text 廠商應該是有在我們現場
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transcript.whisperx[1684].text 可是在我們第二層的
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transcript.whisperx[1685].text 廠商全程都在現場
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transcript.whisperx[1686].text 沒有
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transcript.whisperx[1687].text 廠商是在我們的會議討論的過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[1688].text 他進入我們的會議的議場
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transcript.whisperx[1689].text 做完說明之後
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transcript.whisperx[1690].text 我們繼續在討論後續的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1691].text 沒有讓廠商做任何的發言
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transcript.whisperx[1692].text 我們是在做第二層的一些思考
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transcript.whisperx[1693].text 該如何去擴大的討論
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transcript.whisperx[1694].text 你只要告訴我
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transcript.whisperx[1695].text 因為你剛剛石部長也講得很輕鬆
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transcript.whisperx[1696].text 他今天就會公布全部的會議紀錄
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transcript.whisperx[1697].text 王宇穎委員要求他
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transcript.whisperx[1698].text 在今天委員會結束以前
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transcript.whisperx[1699].text 印出給所有的委員
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transcript.whisperx[1700].text 所有的國人
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transcript.whisperx[1701].text 所以你沒有什麼好隱瞞的了
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transcript.whisperx[1702].text 你只要告訴我們
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transcript.whisperx[1703].text 廠商幾點到幾點在現場
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transcript.whisperx[1704].text 我們現在很明顯看到記錄上
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transcript.whisperx[1705].text 有委員會你們的同仁
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transcript.whisperx[1706].text 還有食藥署的副署長
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transcript.whisperx[1707].text 還有食品組的十幾位同仁
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transcript.whisperx[1708].text 相信這些人很快就可以回憶起來
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transcript.whisperx[1709].text 廠商幾點到幾點在現場
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transcript.whisperx[1710].text 廠商有沒有聽到你們在討論
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transcript.whisperx[1711].text 20%上架下架的原則
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transcript.whisperx[1712].text 跟委員做報告
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transcript.whisperx[1713].text 因為這個整個紀錄是透明的
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transcript.whisperx[1714].text 今天部長也承諾做
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transcript.whisperx[1715].text 其實你現在
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transcript.whisperx[1716].text 所以我等於是說
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transcript.whisperx[1717].text 我等一下尋答結束前
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transcript.whisperx[1718].text 你告訴我就可以
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transcript.whisperx[1719].text 因為上禮拜石部長
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transcript.whisperx[1720].text 尋答結束前
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transcript.whisperx[1721].text 整個會議的過程中
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transcript.whisperx[1722].text 我們結束的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1723].text 他其實有在現場的
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transcript.whisperx[1724].text 他但是沒有進入任何的討論
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transcript.whisperx[1725].text 有關於我們第二階層
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transcript.whisperx[1726].text 好啊很明顯了
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transcript.whisperx[1727].text 所以廠商跟著你們到會議結束
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transcript.whisperx[1728].text 結束
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transcript.whisperx[1729].text 許甫也是這樣看到的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1730].text 許甫主任
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transcript.whisperx[1731].text 廠商從頭到尾都跟你們在一起
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transcript.whisperx[1732].text 你們在決策的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1733].text 他們也都聽到了
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transcript.whisperx[1734].text 只是他們不能發言
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transcript.whisperx[1735].text 是這樣嗎許甫主任
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transcript.whisperx[1736].text 廠商都在
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transcript.whisperx[1737].text 全程都在
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transcript.whisperx[1738].text 他進來之後全都在
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transcript.whisperx[1740].text 但是我們那個會議是建議
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transcript.whisperx[1741].text 並不是決策
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transcript.whisperx[1742].text 所以石部長
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transcript.whisperx[1743].text 你害到你同事了
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transcript.whisperx[1744].text 你上禮拜說
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transcript.whisperx[1745].text 廠商中間請他離開
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transcript.whisperx[1746].text 現在旁邊兩個
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transcript.whisperx[1748].text 一個參加會議的人說
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transcript.whisperx[1749].text 廠商全程都在
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transcript.whisperx[1750].text 那我們再問江署長
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transcript.whisperx[1751].text 好 我跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[1753].text 江署長
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transcript.whisperx[1754].text 江署長你幾月幾日知道
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transcript.whisperx[1755].text 台糖的這個事件
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transcript.whisperx[1756].text 14.8PPB
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transcript.whisperx[1757].text 你幾月幾日知道的
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transcript.whisperx[1758].text 我幾月幾日知道的
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transcript.whisperx[1759].text 我幾月幾日知道的
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transcript.whisperx[1760].text 我幾月幾日知道的
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transcript.whisperx[1762].text 我幾月幾日知道的
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transcript.whisperx[1765].text 我幾月幾日知道的
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transcript.whisperx[1779].text 我幾月幾日知道的
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transcript.whisperx[1781].text 我幾月幾日知道的
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transcript.whisperx[1782].text 我的印象是在7月
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transcript.whisperx[1783].text 應該是7月10幾號
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transcript.whisperx[1784].text 將近15號以後
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transcript.whisperx[1785].text 約月這個時間
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transcript.whisperx[1786].text 是因為我們的同仁們
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transcript.whisperx[1787].text 再次去進入台糖
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transcript.whisperx[1788].text 進入中聯去看他所有的油
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transcript.whisperx[1789].text 去看所有油的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1790].text 我們調查到
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transcript.whisperx[1791].text 發現了這個批號
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transcript.whisperx[1792].text 7月初其實就已經
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transcript.whisperx[1793].text 下架了之後
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transcript.whisperx[1794].text 我們去做調查
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transcript.whisperx[1795].text 所以
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transcript.whisperx[1796].text 大家調查之前
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transcript.whisperx[1797].text 我們也做了調查
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transcript.whisperx[1798].text 所以你們7月10幾號
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transcript.whisperx[1799].text 就已經知道台糖
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transcript.whisperx[1800].text 有這一批
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transcript.whisperx[1801].text 超標7倍的油
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transcript.whisperx[1802].text 這個就這樣子說
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transcript.whisperx[1803].text 這個油剛才提到
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transcript.whisperx[1804].text 我剛才後面我認識的
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transcript.whisperx[1805].text 很像有那個出膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[1806].text 那兩個是長得不太一樣
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transcript.whisperx[1807].text 沒關係啦
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transcript.whisperx[1808].text 所以我的意思是說
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transcript.whisperx[1809].text 7月中你就知道有這個油
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transcript.whisperx[1810].text 你8月1號還要叫大家
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transcript.whisperx[1811].text 去問高雄市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1812].text 是什麼意思
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transcript.whisperx[1813].text 我說的意思是說
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transcript.whisperx[1815].text 並不是我們在管制的油
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transcript.whisperx[1816].text 所以我不曉得
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transcript.whisperx[1817].text 這個油後來它的去向在
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transcript.whisperx[1818].text 我們後來確定
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transcript.whisperx[1821].text 都在裡面沒有移動
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transcript.whisperx[1822].text 這是我們後面才了解才知道
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transcript.whisperx[1823].text 我們了解的是
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transcript.whisperx[1824].text 油是成為成品
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transcript.whisperx[1825].text 油品裡面的30批的油
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transcript.whisperx[1826].text 4到6月的我們很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[1827].text 所以其實這個邏輯很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[1828].text 其實這個邏輯很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[1829].text 你們8月1號的時候認為
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transcript.whisperx[1830].text 要問高雄市政府嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1831].text 表示您認為高雄市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1832].text 應該是這個您後來
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transcript.whisperx[1833].text 不知道去向的油的主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[1834].text 不然您不會第一時間
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transcript.whisperx[1835].text 食藥署的回覆給媒體
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transcript.whisperx[1838].text 這個不能就這樣子說
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transcript.whisperx[1840].text 台糖也並沒有跟我們講
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transcript.whisperx[1841].text 我們也不清楚
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transcript.whisperx[1842].text 這個油到底在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[1843].text 所以它也不屬於這個範圍
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transcript.whisperx[1845].text 所以跟委員們特別很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[1846].text 剛許甫主任有提到說
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transcript.whisperx[1847].text 這場會議所有的中聯關係人
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transcript.whisperx[1848].text 全部在場
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transcript.whisperx[1849].text 好 專家說真的討論
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transcript.whisperx[1850].text 但是討論出來
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transcript.whisperx[1851].text 他說是一個建議
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transcript.whisperx[1852].text 並不是決策
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transcript.whisperx[1854].text 最後做出20%以上
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transcript.whisperx[1855].text 要下架的決策是誰做的
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transcript.whisperx[1856].text 江署長
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transcript.whisperx[1857].text 誰做的
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transcript.whisperx[1858].text 因為您是主持這個會議的人
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transcript.whisperx[1860].text 根據我們知道的整個的各國的
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transcript.whisperx[1861].text 其實跟我們一樣嚴格的韓國跟歐盟
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transcript.whisperx[1862].text 面對假如油品在這一類
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transcript.whisperx[1863].text 只是問你誰決策的
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transcript.whisperx[1864].text 是同樣的做法
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transcript.whisperx[1865].text 對 都是在第一層下架
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transcript.whisperx[1866].text 所以我們在第二層的是
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transcript.whisperx[1867].text 特殊的情形下
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transcript.whisperx[1868].text 是誰決策
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transcript.whisperx[1869].text 這些都已經
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transcript.whisperx[1871].text 大家很熟了
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transcript.whisperx[1875].text 我有做猜測
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transcript.whisperx[1878].text 所以結論是
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transcript.whisperx[1879].text 參考專家選擇意見是您決策的
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transcript.whisperx[1880].text 專家選擇做出的這個會議的結論是這個
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transcript.whisperx[1884].text 那就請許主任先回座
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transcript.whisperx[1885].text 許主任回座
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transcript.whisperx[1886].text 行政長
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transcript.whisperx[1887].text 上禮拜我在這邊
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transcript.whisperx[1888].text 說我想要灰基錄
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transcript.whisperx[1889].text 也想要中聯在裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1890].text 練習的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1891].text 跟你們報告了什麼
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transcript.whisperx[1892].text 中聯可以知道這些學者名單
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transcript.whisperx[1893].text 可是你這個報告
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transcript.whisperx[1894].text 我7月30所資
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transcript.whisperx[1895].text 當場你跟我說
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transcript.whisperx[1896].text 會後馬上會給我
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transcript.whisperx[1897].text 我7月30跟您要
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transcript.whisperx[1898].text 中聯到底在你們的20%會議裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1899].text 呈現了哪些資料
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transcript.whisperx[1900].text 因為它也有可能影響到
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transcript.whisperx[1901].text 你後續專家學者的建議
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transcript.whisperx[1902].text 不是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1903].text 人民也想知道
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transcript.whisperx[1904].text 我們國會議員也想知道
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transcript.whisperx[1905].text 你為什麼到現在還不能給我
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transcript.whisperx[1906].text 你什麼時候要給我
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transcript.whisperx[1907].text 各位說明
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transcript.whisperx[1908].text 我那天就已經提到
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transcript.whisperx[1909].text 這個全部的資料都送給檢調
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transcript.whisperx[1910].text 因為這包含了
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transcript.whisperx[1911].text 當時候發生這個會議的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1912].text 並沒有檢調
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transcript.whisperx[1913].text 還沒有把這個相關的人等
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transcript.whisperx[1914].text 列為他的嫌疑人
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transcript.whisperx[1915].text 所以當時候是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[1916].text 那後面既然已經列入了
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transcript.whisperx[1917].text 是嫌疑人
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transcript.whisperx[1918].text 那當然我們就把這所有的資料
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transcript.whisperx[1919].text 都移送給檢調
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transcript.whisperx[1921].text 所以當時候我的處理是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[1922].text 你上週跟王運民委員說
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transcript.whisperx[1925].text 非常早就送檢調
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transcript.whisperx[1926].text 送檢調跟給我們看
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transcript.whisperx[1927].text 給全國人民看不衝突
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transcript.whisperx[1928].text 跟你們在你們會議報告了什麼
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transcript.whisperx[1929].text 我們不能知道
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transcript.whisperx[1930].text 不衝突啊
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transcript.whisperx[1931].text 我們現在在調查的是行政責任
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transcript.whisperx[1932].text 檢調在調查的是行事責任
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transcript.whisperx[1934].text 跟委員說你沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[1935].text 你可以給我們嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1936].text 我們今天就會報復
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transcript.whisperx[1937].text 今天把周聯在你們的會議上的
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transcript.whisperx[1938].text 資料給全部的委員
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transcript.whisperx[1939].text 還有會議紀錄給全部的委員
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transcript.whisperx[1941].text 報愈來愈多了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1942].text 可以
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transcript.whisperx[1943].text 好 那就這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[1944].text 因為我們之前都已經陸續提供
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transcript.whisperx[1945].text 給一些所知的委員了
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transcript.whisperx[1946].text 所以我們這一次就乾脆把它發布
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transcript.whisperx[1947].text 以正視聽
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transcript.whisperx[1948].text 我們也要中聯報告的那份資料
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transcript.whisperx[1949].text 在這邊一定要講清楚
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transcript.whisperx[1950].text 因為我已經要了一個禮拜了
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transcript.whisperx[1951].text 中聯報告的
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transcript.whisperx[1952].text 就是在會上提供的
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transcript.whisperx[1953].text 就是紀略商號在台東市
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transcript.whisperx[1954].text 專家學者
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transcript.whisperx[1955].text 還有你們的
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transcript.whisperx[1956].text 那你就給我們嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1957].text 你壓了一個禮拜幹嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1958].text 他那一天就已經都有檔案了
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transcript.whisperx[1959].text 就是在7月3號
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transcript.whisperx[1960].text 在台中市所提供的那一份資料
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transcript.whisperx[1961].text 這邊因為台中
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transcript.whisperx[1962].text 他裁罰了中聯跟福茂
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transcript.whisperx[1963].text 各罰300萬
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transcript.whisperx[1964].text 因為沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[1965].end 7884.73
transcript.whisperx[1965].text 超標7倍的這些致哀郵
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transcript.whisperx[1966].text 那您認同台中市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1967].text 用食安法第七條第五項
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transcript.whisperx[1968].text 去做這兩家廠商的裁罰嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1969].text 中聯
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transcript.whisperx[1970].text 福茂
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transcript.whisperx[1971].text 福茂拿的是
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transcript.whisperx[1972].text 產品
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transcript.whisperx[1973].text 中聯出來的那個已經是食用油脂了
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transcript.whisperx[1974].text 他不是脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[1975].text 他交給福茂的是食用油脂
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transcript.whisperx[1976].text 食用油脂是產品
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transcript.whisperx[1977].text 所以是符合這個我們的食安法第七條
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transcript.whisperx[1978].end 7915.72
transcript.whisperx[1978].text 應該通報的對象
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transcript.whisperx[1979].end 7918.72
transcript.whisperx[1979].text 所以處分福茂是這個道理
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transcript.whisperx[1980].text 中聯也是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[1981].text 他的成品被南僑驗出超標
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transcript.whisperx[1982].text 而且通報給福壽
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transcript.whisperx[1983].text 福壽在告辭週年
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transcript.whisperx[1984].text 我在講的是8月3號晚上
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transcript.whisperx[1985].text 哪一個
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transcript.whisperx[1986].text 8月3號晚上
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transcript.whisperx[1987].text 我在講的是8月3號晚上
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transcript.whisperx[1988].text 一案歸一案
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transcript.whisperx[1989].text 這個是台糖的新案
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transcript.whisperx[1990].text 這是台中市政府的處分
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transcript.whisperx[1991].text 這個是他們的處分
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transcript.whisperx[1992].text 那看他們自己的理由是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[1993].text 他要查清楚之後才去開罰
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transcript.whisperx[1994].text 你剛不是把中聯講的很糟糕嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1995].text 你現在不認同他們的財產
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transcript.whisperx[1996].text 中聯很糟糕啊
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transcript.whisperx[1997].text 福茂也很糟糕啊
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transcript.whisperx[1998].text 你不能
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transcript.whisperx[1999].text 我沒有說我不認同啊
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transcript.whisperx[2000].text 我需要去理解
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transcript.whisperx[2001].text 台中市政府的開罰是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[2002].text 他是正在哪一家去開罰
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transcript.whisperx[2003].text 我寫在旁邊給你了
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transcript.whisperx[2004].text 5月未通報
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transcript.whisperx[2005].text 台糖採購原料異常
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transcript.whisperx[2006].text 台中市府再各罰300萬
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transcript.whisperx[2007].text 採購原料異常
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transcript.whisperx[2008].text 那他是指他採購黃豆異常
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transcript.whisperx[2009].text 還是採購什麼異常
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transcript.whisperx[2010].text 中聯是採購的原料
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transcript.whisperx[2011].text 中聯的原料是黃豆啊
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transcript.whisperx[2012].text 那他是罰他黃豆的採購異常
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transcript.whisperx[2013].text 不是
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transcript.whisperx[2014].text 還是罰他什麼
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transcript.whisperx[2015].text 他們是在罰他台糖5月的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2016].text 往回報
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transcript.whisperx[2017].text 往回報你所謂的這一批
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transcript.whisperx[2018].text 你現在口中不肯承認是原料的東西
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transcript.whisperx[2019].text 回報
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transcript.whisperx[2020].text 服報
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transcript.whisperx[2021].text 還有中聯
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transcript.whisperx[2022].text 但是他們兩個沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[2023].text 我剛剛在報告裡面講的很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[2024].text 如果就這個
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transcript.whisperx[2025].text 食用油脂的製造
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transcript.whisperx[2026].text 黃豆式原料
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transcript.whisperx[2027].text 脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[2028].text 你只要告訴我
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transcript.whisperx[2029].text 我就問你
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transcript.whisperx[2030].text 我就問你
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transcript.whisperx[2031].text 因為你是主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[2032].text 最中央最高的主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[2033].text 現在中聯服貿知道台糖拿到了一批
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transcript.whisperx[2034].text 現在你口中不承認是原料的東西
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transcript.whisperx[2035].text 沒有告訴
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transcript.whisperx[2036].text 中央主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[2037].text 沒有告訴地方政府
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transcript.whisperx[2038].text 被罰了
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transcript.whisperx[2039].text 你認不認同
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transcript.whisperx[2040].text 所有的主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[2041].text 不論是中央跟地方
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transcript.whisperx[2042].text 都要依法行政
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transcript.whisperx[2043].text 所有的處分
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transcript.whisperx[2044].text 都要具明了他的法源依據
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transcript.whisperx[2045].text 跟裁罰的原因
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transcript.whisperx[2047].text OK啊你講的很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[2048].text 你認不認同
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transcript.whisperx[2049].text 還是你要說你不認同
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transcript.whisperx[2050].text 我會聘請台中市政府來跟我報告
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transcript.whisperx[2051].text 他會委員關心你們的裁罰依據
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transcript.whisperx[2052].text 請來
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transcript.whisperx[2053].text 裁罰依據已經寫在上面給你看了
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transcript.whisperx[2054].text 沒有我們需要看到裁處書
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transcript.whisperx[2055].text 裁處書才是裁罰依據
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transcript.whisperx[2056].text 所以你現在還沒有辦法
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transcript.whisperx[2057].text 下判斷你認同會不認同
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transcript.whisperx[2058].text 這個對委員的詢問
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transcript.whisperx[2059].text 我非常的重視
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transcript.whisperx[2060].text 所以我必須把所有的事情搞清楚
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transcript.whisperx[2061].text 我會請台中市政府
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transcript.whisperx[2062].text 因為委員的關心
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transcript.whisperx[2063].text 我請他來跟我報告
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transcript.whisperx[2064].text 下一個我們請台唐
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transcript.whisperx[2065].text 今天是總經理來嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2066].text 還是
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transcript.whisperx[2067].text 副總
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transcript.whisperx[2068].text 剛剛時務長不想回答的問題
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transcript.whisperx[2069].text 其實蠻簡單的
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transcript.whisperx[2070].text 如果他有通報
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transcript.whisperx[2071].text 我們後面這些過去幾個月
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transcript.whisperx[2072].text 過去一個月吃下的
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transcript.whisperx[2073].text 接近三萬噸的毒油
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transcript.whisperx[2074].text 也許不會出現
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transcript.whisperx[2075].text 這麼簡單的道理
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transcript.whisperx[2076].text 委員好
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transcript.whisperx[2077].text 你的梗圖都在做葉片了
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transcript.whisperx[2078].text 你拿油上來幹嘛
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transcript.whisperx[2079].text 你就拿葉片上來就好啦
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transcript.whisperx[2080].text 這邊問你一個簡單的問題啦
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transcript.whisperx[2081].text 葉片跟致癌油可以類比嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2082].text 葉片是用眼睛看的
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transcript.whisperx[2083].text 致癌油是你們用
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transcript.whisperx[2084].text 外面的檢驗機器
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transcript.whisperx[2085].text 公正的驗出來的單位
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transcript.whisperx[2086].text 14PPB
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transcript.whisperx[2087].text 你們到底在寫什麼東西
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transcript.whisperx[2088].text 葉片是用眼睛看的
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transcript.whisperx[2089].text 致癌油是致癌油耶
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transcript.whisperx[2090].text 再來
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transcript.whisperx[2091].text 餐廳
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transcript.whisperx[2092].text 經濟部也上來
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transcript.whisperx[2093].text 次長好
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transcript.whisperx[2094].text 經濟部還有我們台湯的長官
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transcript.whisperx[2095].text 你們想要告訴人民什麼
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transcript.whisperx[2096].text 葉片跟致癌油一樣嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2097].text 你們想說的是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[2098].text 跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[2099].text 台湯依規依法來進行辦理
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transcript.whisperx[2100].text 那我們可以看到這位黃豆的處理
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transcript.whisperx[2101].text 沒有 我在問葉片
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transcript.whisperx[2102].text 我們沒有啊
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transcript.whisperx[2103].text 主席
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transcript.whisperx[2104].text 主席他沒有回答我的問題
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transcript.whisperx[2105].text 而且他也不想看到油在桌上
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transcript.whisperx[2106].text 可以把油拿下去了
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transcript.whisperx[2107].text 油等你等一下自己專題報告再拿上來就好了
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transcript.whisperx[2108].text 我只是在問你們兩個
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transcript.whisperx[2109].text 經濟部跟台湯的社會溝通
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transcript.whisperx[2110].text 到底做到哪裡去了
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transcript.whisperx[2112].text 本篇畢
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transcript.whisperx[2113].text 機器用出來的
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transcript.whisperx[2114].text 超標七倍就是超標七倍
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transcript.whisperx[2115].text 葉片跟油的關係在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[2116].text 你現在第一個
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transcript.whisperx[2117].text 你告訴我你的社會溝通是什麼意思
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transcript.whisperx[2118].text 看不懂
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transcript.whisperx[2119].text 第二個
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transcript.whisperx[2120].text 我這個餐廳
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transcript.whisperx[2121].text 我會知道是哪一攤
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transcript.whisperx[2122].text 你現在就明確知道是哪一家的油
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transcript.whisperx[2123].text 出來是14ppb
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transcript.whisperx[2124].text 這兩個可以類比嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2125].text 你講啊
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transcript.whisperx[2126].text 好 次長可以回答
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transcript.whisperx[2127].text 跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[2128].text 剛剛部長已經說了
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transcript.whisperx[2129].text 台湯的這個作為
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transcript.whisperx[2130].text 依照食安法的這個規定來辦理
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transcript.whisperx[2132].text 也依照他採購的一個契約
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transcript.whisperx[2133].text 飲收的標準
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transcript.whisperx[2134].text 來進行處理相關的處理
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transcript.whisperx[2135].text 這是第一點
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transcript.whisperx[2136].text 那第二點
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transcript.whisperx[2137].text 的一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2139].text 我們不管是我們的消費者
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transcript.whisperx[2140].text 或是我們的通路廠商
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transcript.whisperx[2141].text 還有各項的一個權利
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transcript.whisperx[2142].text 所以台湯公司在這個一個角色上面
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transcript.whisperx[2143].text 他必須要依法依規來辦理
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transcript.whisperx[2144].text 沒有聽到葉片啊
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transcript.whisperx[2145].text 葉片跟油一樣嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2146].text 不是
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transcript.whisperx[2147].text 台湯在法規裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2148].text 他扮演一個角色啊
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transcript.whisperx[2149].text 他畢竟他是一個採
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transcript.whisperx[2150].text 透過契約
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transcript.whisperx[2151].text 然後去採購這個原料
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transcript.whisperx[2152].text 而且台中
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transcript.whisperx[2153].text 我先唸啊
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transcript.whisperx[2154].text 來來來 台湯
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transcript.whisperx[2155].text 台湯的官網
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transcript.whisperx[2156].text 大家現在可以馬上上網看
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transcript.whisperx[2157].text 台湯的使命 如何
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transcript.whisperx[2158].text 台湯公司在台灣
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transcript.whisperx[2160].text 最家喻戶曉的品牌
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transcript.whisperx[2161].text 所以他們肩負了配合國家政策
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transcript.whisperx[2164].text 我現在都不知道你們連結到哪裡去了
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transcript.whisperx[2165].text 好 配合國家政策啊
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transcript.whisperx[2166].text 不就包括每年跟我們要這麼多預算
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transcript.whisperx[2167].text 過去十年
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transcript.whisperx[2168].text 七百多億的食安五環 食品雲
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transcript.whisperx[2169].text 還有呢 邊境協防
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transcript.whisperx[2170].text 每一種毒的東西 連邊境都進不來
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transcript.whisperx[2171].text 食藥署這個要幫我們把關
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transcript.whisperx[2172].text 從原料 從原料到餐桌
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transcript.whisperx[2173].text 每一樣東西都很安心
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transcript.whisperx[2175].text 你自己看看你們的使命
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transcript.whisperx[2176].text 跟你現在做出來的事情吻合嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2177].text 不用回答了
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transcript.whisperx[2178].text 下一張我們請食部長
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transcript.whisperx[2179].text 食部長如果你要說這個只算蘇丹紅的話
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transcript.whisperx[2181].text 你們自己113年
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transcript.whisperx[2182].text 因為蘇丹紅這種工業的原料
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transcript.whisperx[2183].text 混進了食品中 混進了化妝品
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transcript.whisperx[2185].text 告訴他們說
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transcript.whisperx[2186].text 食品業者發現原料或是產品
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transcript.whisperx[2187].text 有危害衛生之餘 就要主動的通報
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transcript.whisperx[2188].text 那個是非法添加啦
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transcript.whisperx[2189].text 這個不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[2190].text 這個不是中間的產品
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transcript.whisperx[2191].text 這個是違法添加
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transcript.whisperx[2192].text 部長你知道你現在在大開一個邪惡之門
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transcript.whisperx[2193].text 你剛剛舉了好多歪理
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transcript.whisperx[2194].text 你今天在這邊講的話
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transcript.whisperx[2195].text 從現在開始 從這一分鐘開始
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transcript.whisperx[2196].text 做迪麵粉的還沒進工廠
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transcript.whisperx[2197].text 還沒進門口
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transcript.whisperx[2198].text 做迪麵粉的被抓到
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transcript.whisperx[2199].text 他說我等一下要做醬
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transcript.whisperx[2200].text 這不是給人吃的
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transcript.whisperx[2201].text 無糖被抓到
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transcript.whisperx[2202].text 他就說我這個等一下是要做工業酒精的
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transcript.whisperx[2203].text 你們可以做工業酒精嘛
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transcript.whisperx[2204].text 他們也可以做工業酒精
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transcript.whisperx[2206].text 他只要說他這個東西
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transcript.whisperx[2207].text 後面有可能不是人吃的
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transcript.whisperx[2208].text 你引用的法條不對
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transcript.whisperx[2209].text 如果他是違法添加進去的
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transcript.whisperx[2210].text 是違反了食安法第15條第一項的規定
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transcript.whisperx[2213].text 我講的東西也可能是本篇比超標的麵粉
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transcript.whisperx[2215].text 不是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2216].text 他就不適用了
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transcript.whisperx[2217].text 他們也可以做成很多不是人在吃的東西
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transcript.whisperx[2218].text 糖沒有本篇比啊
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transcript.whisperx[2219].text 不管如何他們還是會有你們超標的東西在裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2220].text 不是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2221].text 我們沒有在訂原料的標準
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transcript.whisperx[2222].text 我們要看你訂的是哪一個
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transcript.whisperx[2223].text 我們剛剛提到的
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transcript.whisperx[2224].text 本篇比是訂在食用油脂的標準
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transcript.whisperx[2226].text 你這個東西
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transcript.whisperx[2227].text 違法添加
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transcript.whisperx[2228].text 你這個東西
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transcript.whisperx[2229].text 113年你發布的新聞稿
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transcript.whisperx[2230].text 你就告訴大家好了
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transcript.whisperx[2231].text 你現在就告訴全國國人
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transcript.whisperx[2232].text 你就只針對蘇丹紅
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transcript.whisperx[2233].text 不是蘇丹紅
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transcript.whisperx[2234].text 不能夠添加的
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transcript.whisperx[2235].text 蘇丹紅是舉例
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transcript.whisperx[2236].text 因為他是不得添加
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transcript.whisperx[2237].text 你自己的簡報寫的很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[2238].text 危害 衛生 安全 之餘
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transcript.whisperx[2239].text 你是違法添加
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transcript.whisperx[2240].text 就已經違法添加
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transcript.whisperx[2241].text 違法添加就違反了第15條的規定
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transcript.whisperx[2242].text 你上面幫人家做教育訓練是
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transcript.whisperx[2243].text 危害 衛生 安全 之餘
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transcript.whisperx[2244].text 現在又要硬撈成違法添加
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transcript.whisperx[2245].text 你這個是斷章取義
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transcript.whisperx[2246].text 我跟你講我沒有斷章取義
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transcript.whisperx[2247].text 我們看監察院的調查報告
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transcript.whisperx[2248].text 你會覺得濃濃的即視感
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transcript.whisperx[2250].text 都寫得很清楚了
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transcript.whisperx[2251].text 那個時候發生蘇丹紅事件
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transcript.whisperx[2252].text 他們說食品業者訂定的
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transcript.whisperx[2253].text 食品安全監測計畫
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transcript.whisperx[2255].text 故針對原料辦成品
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transcript.whisperx[2257].text 任由業者自行評估
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transcript.whisperx[2258].text 據本案未將蘇丹紅
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transcript.whisperx[2259].text 納為風險檢驗項目
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transcript.whisperx[2260].text 難以真實反應潛藏食安風險
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transcript.whisperx[2261].text 主管機關無從事先察覺
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transcript.whisperx[2262].text 又本案存在居多
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transcript.whisperx[2263].text 以虛偽樣本盛檢
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transcript.whisperx[2264].text 檢驗結果不合格
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transcript.whisperx[2265].text 遭下游公司拓貨後
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transcript.whisperx[2266].text 人持續出貨給不知情的公司
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transcript.whisperx[2268].text 以取信下游廠商
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transcript.whisperx[2269].text 盛檢不合格後
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transcript.whisperx[2270].text 業者未主動通報主管機關等違規
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transcript.whisperx[2271].text 113年監察院告訴你的事情
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transcript.whisperx[2272].text 現在就活生生的
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transcript.whisperx[2273].text 又出現在我們面前了
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transcript.whisperx[2275].text 依法不得添加的東西
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transcript.whisperx[2276].text 你聽我說清楚了
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transcript.whisperx[2278].text 不論在原料或者是產品
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transcript.whisperx[2279].text 都是不得添加
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transcript.whisperx[2280].text 如果是安全衛生標準的
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transcript.whisperx[2281].text 他就會訂出他的適用產品
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transcript.whisperx[2283].text 這是兩回事
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transcript.whisperx[2284].text 不能匯為一談
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transcript.whisperx[2285].text 部長請你看監察院調查報告
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transcript.whisperx[2287].text 所以他說
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transcript.whisperx[2288].text 業者知產品原材料
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transcript.whisperx[2289].text 半成品成品受驗後檢驗結果不合格
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transcript.whisperx[2291].text 主動提示到並通報地方主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[2292].text 現在我們要相信監察院
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transcript.whisperx[2293].text 還是相信你的法條解釋
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transcript.whisperx[2294].text 監察院在這邊寫了
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transcript.whisperx[2295].text 第七條第五項
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transcript.whisperx[2296].text 不得添加的東西
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transcript.whisperx[2297].text 不論是在原料還是在產品
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transcript.whisperx[2298].text 都是不得添加
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transcript.whisperx[2300].text 按照第十條訂出的
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transcript.whisperx[2301].text 就要看他的適用品項
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transcript.whisperx[2302].text 跟他的標準是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[2303].text 這是兩回事不能匯為一談
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transcript.whisperx[2304].text 下一個我們請台湯回答
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transcript.whisperx[2305].text 如果你們平常有一些問題
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transcript.whisperx[2306].text 你們是通報給誰
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transcript.whisperx[2307].text 如果你們的SOP實用有出問題
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transcript.whisperx[2308].text 你們通報哪一個單位
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transcript.whisperx[2309].text 是我們一定會通報我們的那個
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transcript.whisperx[2310].text 使用有的主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[2311].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[2313].text 高雄市政府
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transcript.whisperx[2314].text 高雄市政府OK
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transcript.whisperx[2315].text 因為他們現在兩邊一直在踢皮球
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transcript.whisperx[2316].text 高雄市政府說要收集很多資料給台南
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transcript.whisperx[2317].text 台南又說沒有是歸高雄管
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transcript.whisperx[2318].text 好我們現在聽到你說
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transcript.whisperx[2319].text 是高雄市政府
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transcript.whisperx[2320].text 好那我們知道了
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transcript.whisperx[2321].text 不過剛剛有念出你們的宗旨嘛
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transcript.whisperx[2322].text 成立宗旨
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transcript.whisperx[2323].text 最終人民還是希望
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transcript.whisperx[2324].text 國營企業負起國營企業該有的責任
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transcript.whisperx[2325].text 你們只要當時有通報把關
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transcript.whisperx[2326].text 後面這幾萬噸吃下去的毒油
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transcript.whisperx[2327].text 就不會在我們國人的肚子裡了
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transcript.whisperx[2328].text 現在請回座
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transcript.whisperx[2329].text 跟委員報告喔
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transcript.whisperx[2330].text 就台南公司的認知啦
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transcript.whisperx[2331].text 出油就是脫膠的這個出油
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transcript.whisperx[2332].text 它是不能吃的
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transcript.whisperx[2333].text 它不是可以吃的
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transcript.whisperx[2334].text 所以它不是食品
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transcript.whisperx[2335].text 它不是食品
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transcript.whisperx[2336].text 所以我們的認知是它根本不是
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transcript.whisperx[2337].text 我跟你說你只要通報
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transcript.whisperx[2338].text 他們當時告訴去查中聯
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transcript.whisperx[2339].text 他們會查出更多更多更多
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transcript.whisperx[2340].text 最後會讓人家吃下去的東西
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transcript.whisperx[2341].text 我們可以請四位先回座
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transcript.whisperx[2342].text 我們劉時部長
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transcript.whisperx[2343].text 四位都有 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[2344].text 老師 上禮拜你就說
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transcript.whisperx[2345].text 你也不是食安專家
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transcript.whisperx[2346].text 我也不是食安專家
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transcript.whisperx[2347].text 所以我們都不應該表達自己的意見
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transcript.whisperx[2348].text 今天我們有食安專家了 江志剛
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transcript.whisperx[2349].text 然後這邊還有法律專家
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transcript.whisperx[2352].text 他們的發言我不知道你要不要採納啦
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transcript.whisperx[2353].text 一個說通報是法定義務
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transcript.whisperx[2354].text 並非行政機關給人民的恩惠
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transcript.whisperx[2355].text 另外一位公衛教授說
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transcript.whisperx[2356].text 這不只是食安的問題
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transcript.whisperx[2357].text 更是公共治理
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transcript.whisperx[2358].text 跟政府誠信的問題
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transcript.whisperx[2359].text 還是你覺得你還是最懂
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transcript.whisperx[2360].text 公衛跟解釋法條的人
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transcript.whisperx[2361].text 通報是法定義務
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transcript.whisperx[2362].text 在食安法明定的通報義務很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[2363].text 這一句話絕對是對的
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transcript.whisperx[2364].text 那沒關係 你覺得你懂法律
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transcript.whisperx[2365].text 比高檢署主任還懂
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transcript.whisperx[2366].text 那詹長權呢
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transcript.whisperx[2367].text 詹長權我不知道他說的是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[2368].text 他說的東西我已經寫在上面了
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transcript.whisperx[2369].text 本篇筆的標準是定在
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transcript.whisperx[2370].text 產品也就是食用油脂
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transcript.whisperx[2371].text 本篇筆的標準不是定在脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[2372].text 我還是要再強調
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transcript.whisperx[2373].text 脫膠原油後面會經過脫酸 脫色 脫臭
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transcript.whisperx[2374].text 那麼它最高可以降低百分之百
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transcript.whisperx[2375].text 其實大家都聽懂了
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transcript.whisperx[2376].text 以後我們都知道了
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transcript.whisperx[2377].text 這七百多億的
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transcript.whisperx[2378].text 其實我就下一個結論
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transcript.whisperx[2379].text 這七百多億食安五環
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transcript.whisperx[2380].text 環環不斷練
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transcript.whisperx[2381].text 從源頭開始管理
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transcript.whisperx[2382].text 自主通報
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transcript.whisperx[2383].text 還有這些預警機制
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transcript.whisperx[2384].text 去掉了脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[2385].text 就是這個結論 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[2386].text 食用油脂廠
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transcript.whisperx[2387].text 他必須要去進行
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transcript.whisperx[2388].text 他必須去改善他的製程
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transcript.whisperx[2389].text 好 謝謝陳金輝委員的諮詢
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transcript.whisperx[2390].text 接下來請王立民委員諮詢
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transcript.whisperx[2391].text 好 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[2392].text 我們有請衛福部部長
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transcript.whisperx[2393].text 食藥署署長
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transcript.whisperx[2394].text 經濟部常務次長
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transcript.whisperx[2395].text 台唐的副總
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transcript.whisperx[2396].text 一起上台
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transcript.whisperx[2397].text 還有行政院食安辦的許副主任
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transcript.whisperx[2398].text 來 我先問台唐的副總
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transcript.whisperx[2399].text 你們剛拿了兩罐
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transcript.whisperx[2400].text 繼續拿上來沒有關係
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transcript.whisperx[2402].text 你告訴我本席
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transcript.whisperx[2403].text 脫膠原油是你台唐的
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transcript.whisperx[2404].text 製油的原料嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2405].text 是或不是
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transcript.whisperx[2407].text 我們台唐就是做沙拉油
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transcript.whisperx[2408].text 他是從黃豆開始
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transcript.whisperx[2409].text 所以我們進口的都是美國黃豆
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transcript.whisperx[2410].text 好 我直接問你
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transcript.whisperx[2411].text 你的脫膠
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transcript.whisperx[2412].text 你跟中聯買的脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[2413].text 就是這一罐對不對
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transcript.whisperx[2415].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[2416].text 對 我們自己也有生產
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transcript.whisperx[2417].text 這一罐是不是你食用油的原料
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transcript.whisperx[2418].text 是或不是
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transcript.whisperx[2419].text 它不能食用啊
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transcript.whisperx[2420].text 它是不是製造成那一瓶
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transcript.whisperx[2421].text 食用油的原料
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transcript.whisperx[2422].text 它必須要經過精煉
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transcript.whisperx[2423].text 我知道 它是不是原料啦
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transcript.whisperx[2424].text 當然是原料啊
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transcript.whisperx[2425].text 對啊 當然是原料啊
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transcript.whisperx[2426].text 你跟中聯買了多少
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transcript.whisperx[2427].text 它不是食品價
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transcript.whisperx[2428].text 你本來要跟它購買那一批
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transcript.whisperx[2429].text 是多少公噸
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transcript.whisperx[2430].text 我們這內製的招標案是3000噸啦
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transcript.whisperx[2431].text 3000噸嘛 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[2432].text 那它5月11號
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transcript.whisperx[2433].text 我們去豐朝送驗的那個潮
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transcript.whisperx[2434].text 那個潮它是1100多噸
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transcript.whisperx[2435].text 都出問題嘛 超標嘛 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[2436].text 那個潮我們當初就是封存了
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transcript.whisperx[2437].text 我們也沒有載到
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transcript.whisperx[2438].text 以前有沒有發生過這樣的情況
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transcript.whisperx[2439].text 以前你們驗的有沒有發生這樣的情況
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transcript.whisperx[2440].text 也有超標的情況 退驗的情況
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transcript.whisperx[2441].text 以前驗都沒有這樣的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[2442].text 都沒有超標嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2443].text 都有符合我們的驗收標準啦
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transcript.whisperx[2444].text 是多少 你們自己制定的驗收標準
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transcript.whisperx[2445].text 是要那個本評比要幾PPB
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transcript.whisperx[2446].text 本評比是2PPB
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transcript.whisperx[2447].text 都有符合在2PPB以內嘛 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[2449].text 那你為什麼要這樣子驗
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transcript.whisperx[2451].text 沒有 這個是我們自己
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transcript.whisperx[2452].text 自己內定的一個招標的規格啊
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transcript.whisperx[2453].text 所以你也可以不用驗就對了
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transcript.whisperx[2454].text 可以 可以
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transcript.whisperx[2455].text 所以如果本評比超標
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transcript.whisperx[2456].text 你們可以繼續製作就對了
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transcript.whisperx[2457].text 不用退
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transcript.whisperx[2458].text 我們會調整我們的製程
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transcript.whisperx[2459].text 讓它那個本評比
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transcript.whisperx[2460].text 那你這PPB為什麼要退
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transcript.whisperx[2461].text 如果按照你的邏輯
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transcript.whisperx[2462].text 這個是我們招標合約裡頭
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transcript.whisperx[2463].text 我們就已經定了規格在那裡
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transcript.whisperx[2464].text 一定要符合我們的規格啊
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transcript.whisperx[2465].text 不符合規格我們就是要退
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transcript.whisperx[2466].text 對啊 那為什麼要定這個標準啊
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transcript.whisperx[2467].text 既然你後面的技術都可以脫色脫穿
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transcript.whisperx[2468].text 剛剛那個 待會我要問部長
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transcript.whisperx[2469].text 那個成本會不一樣啊
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transcript.whisperx[2470].text 成本會不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[2471].text 如果說它
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transcript.whisperx[2472].text 所以不是因為食安法
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transcript.whisperx[2473].text 是因為成本的關係
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transcript.whisperx[2474].text 是 沒有錯
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transcript.whisperx[2475].text 沒有錯喔 這是你的答案喔
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transcript.whisperx[2476].text 你們針對原料的管理
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transcript.whisperx[2477].text 是因為我不需要基本的嚴格把關
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transcript.whisperx[2478].text 我是因為成本控制
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transcript.whisperx[2479].text 所以我今天才去訂出2PPB的
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transcript.whisperx[2480].text 這樣的本評比的標準
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transcript.whisperx[2481].text 就算說它本評比偏高
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transcript.whisperx[2482].text 經過我們的精鏈
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transcript.whisperx[2483].text 製程上面的調整之後
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transcript.whisperx[2484].text 所以你之前到底有沒有購買過
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transcript.whisperx[2485].text 超過2PPB本評比的
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transcript.whisperx[2486].text 是沒有啦
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transcript.whisperx[2487].text 因為我們都訂那個2PPB嘛
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transcript.whisperx[2488].text 這樣的話對我們來講是
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transcript.whisperx[2489].text 整個製程會比較順暢
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transcript.whisperx[2490].text 而且它成本是最低的
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transcript.whisperx[2491].text 所以過去都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[2492].text 沒有喔
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transcript.whisperx[2493].text 然後你就訂了2PPB
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transcript.whisperx[2494].text
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transcript.whisperx[2495].text 就訂了國家的這個標準
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transcript.whisperx[2496].text 啊超標你也可以用
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transcript.whisperx[2497].text 完全不涉及食安
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transcript.whisperx[2498].text 這個聽起來非常的可怕
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transcript.whisperx[2499].text 大家各位聽懂了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2500].text 就是說台糖也可以不用是2PPB喔
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transcript.whisperx[2501].text 它不用是這樣子喔
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transcript.whisperx[2502].text 因為對他們來講
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transcript.whisperx[2503].text 剛剛石部長告訴大家的也是喔
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transcript.whisperx[2504].text 就是即使它是原料
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transcript.whisperx[2505].text 它今天超標沒有關係
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transcript.whisperx[2506].text 其實坦白講你也可以不用退運啦
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transcript.whisperx[2507].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[2508].text 按照你的邏輯可以不用退運啦
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transcript.whisperx[2509].text 我繼續做啊
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transcript.whisperx[2510].text 你不要違反食安法
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transcript.whisperx[2511].text 我們招標的時候的規格
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transcript.whisperx[2512].text 你們太荒謬了
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transcript.whisperx[2513].text 都不按照食安法辦事的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2514].text 既然脫膠原有是你的原料
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transcript.whisperx[2515].text 原料有疑慮的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2516].text 原料有疑慮
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transcript.whisperx[2517].text 你竟然還好意思說
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transcript.whisperx[2518].text 我的技術夠
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transcript.whisperx[2519].text 所以我可以繼續做
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transcript.whisperx[2520].text 剛剛石重量部長是這樣子講
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transcript.whisperx[2521].text 這樣子有道理嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2522].text 食安法它規範的
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transcript.whisperx[2523].text 所以你們是說
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transcript.whisperx[2524].text 只要是出膠原有
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transcript.whisperx[2525].text 根本就不用設標準
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transcript.whisperx[2526].text 反正只要我可以不斷的精煉
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transcript.whisperx[2527].text 到最終的產品
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transcript.whisperx[2528].text 它只要符合2PPB就好了
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transcript.whisperx[2529].text 那你的食安法我們都要定價的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2530].text 從原料就應該要開始檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[2531].text 在你的邏輯裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2532].text 原料不需要
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transcript.whisperx[2533].text 只要我有本事把它精煉出
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transcript.whisperx[2534].text 檢測不到
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transcript.whisperx[2535].text 那是我的本事
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transcript.whisperx[2536].text 是這樣子嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2537].text 沒有出油
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transcript.whisperx[2538].text 它就整個這個樣子
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transcript.whisperx[2539].text 那是你的原料不是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2540].text 這個是對呀
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transcript.whisperx[2541].text 這個就是出油
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transcript.whisperx[2542].text 對呀
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transcript.whisperx[2543].text 那你的原料就應該要把關
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transcript.whisperx[2545].text 原料沒有規範
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transcript.whisperx[2546].text 食安法都沒有規範
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transcript.whisperx[2547].text 那就是衛福部長
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transcript.whisperx[2548].text 食安法它的規範
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transcript.whisperx[2549].text 它是針對食品
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transcript.whisperx[2550].text 就是說你直接可以用的
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transcript.whisperx[2551].text 可以吃的
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transcript.whisperx[2552].text 原料都不規範的
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transcript.whisperx[2553].text 原料已經出現
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transcript.whisperx[2554].text 這個一級致癌物
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transcript.whisperx[2555].text 都不用規範的
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transcript.whisperx[2556].text 它不是有一律的商品嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2557].text 沒有你經過精煉純化之後
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transcript.whisperx[2558].text 它就會變成這個樣子
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transcript.whisperx[2559].text 對所以原料是可以不用管的
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transcript.whisperx[2560].text 沒有關係
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transcript.whisperx[2561].text 要管因為它會影響成本
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transcript.whisperx[2562].text 只是因為成本不是食安的考量
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transcript.whisperx[2563].text 好來台長請回去
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transcript.whisperx[2564].text 我問一下那個長賜
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transcript.whisperx[2565].text 經濟部長賜
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transcript.whisperx[2566].text 請問台長的社會責任是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[2567].text 至少門前雪
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transcript.whisperx[2568].text 我今天發現我的脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[2569].text 這個本篇比超標
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transcript.whisperx[2570].text 超標了七倍
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transcript.whisperx[2571].text 我只要默默的把它退回去就好
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transcript.whisperx[2572].text 因為不符合我的採購規定
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transcript.whisperx[2573].text 但是我完全不需要通報
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transcript.whisperx[2574].text 這個叫做至少門前雪
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transcript.whisperx[2575].text 在經濟部的標準好低
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transcript.whisperx[2577].text 請問你的社會責任在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[2578].text 你不覺得很異常嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2579].text 今天你脫膠原油是第一次買是不是
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transcript.whisperx[2580].text 如果以前都是符合標準
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transcript.whisperx[2581].text 符合你的採購標準
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transcript.whisperx[2582].text 今天突然暴增
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transcript.whisperx[2583].text 通通都不需要反應
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transcript.whisperx[2584].text 當作沒有發生
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transcript.whisperx[2585].text 上千公噸隨便
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transcript.whisperx[2586].text 今天如果中年繼續賣出去也隨便
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transcript.whisperx[2587].text 不管我的事
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transcript.whisperx[2588].text 這個叫做模範生
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transcript.whisperx[2589].text 這個叫做社會責任
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transcript.whisperx[2590].text 企業社會責任是這樣子寫的
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transcript.whisperx[2591].text 作為一個經濟部次長
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transcript.whisperx[2592].text 你們說這個叫模範生
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transcript.whisperx[2593].text 你的標準真的好低
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transcript.whisperx[2594].text 還不如一個吹哨子
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transcript.whisperx[2595].text 跟委員及委員會說明
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transcript.whisperx[2596].text 台檔公司所生產的產品
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transcript.whisperx[2597].text 他有自己標準
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transcript.whisperx[2598].text 所以下一次你們發現
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transcript.whisperx[2599].text 這樣子一個超標本篇皮的
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transcript.whisperx[2600].text 交由要不要通報
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transcript.whisperx[2601].text 基本上台檔公司所有的品料
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transcript.whisperx[2602].text 他有驗收的規定
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transcript.whisperx[2603].text 契約的規定
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transcript.whisperx[2604].text 比如說在生產大豆沙拉油的
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transcript.whisperx[2605].text 這個原料的部分
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transcript.whisperx[2606].text 其實他檢驗的項目
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transcript.whisperx[2607].text 起碼就有十項以上
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transcript.whisperx[2608].text 很好啊
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transcript.whisperx[2609].text 我們正常很嚴謹啊
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transcript.whisperx[2610].text 但你發現這一批交由
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transcript.whisperx[2611].text 超標這麼多的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2612].text 你怎麼不用一個很嚴謹的態度來看待
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transcript.whisperx[2613].text 為什麼不通報
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transcript.whisperx[2614].text 為什麼你第一時間
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transcript.whisperx[2615].text 台檔沒有跟你講
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transcript.whisperx[2616].text 這個依照台中地方法院的新聞稿
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transcript.whisperx[2617].text 也是有提到
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transcript.whisperx[2618].text 包括中聯跟服務貿
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transcript.whisperx[2619].text 他必須要依照食安法去進行通報
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transcript.whisperx[2620].text 他們有他們的責任
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transcript.whisperx[2621].text 我現在問的是
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transcript.whisperx[2622].text 你主管的國營機構台檔
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transcript.whisperx[2623].text 他發現這麼重大的事情
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transcript.whisperx[2624].text 需不需要跟你主管機構報告
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transcript.whisperx[2625].text 你什麼時候知道的
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transcript.whisperx[2626].text 所謂為何
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transcript.whisperx[2627].text 你什麼時候知道的
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transcript.whisperx[2628].text 台檔隱修產品
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transcript.whisperx[2629].text 從來沒有進入到台檔的生產的產線
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transcript.whisperx[2630].text 所以你還在辯解
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transcript.whisperx[2631].text 7月9號的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2632].text 台檔公司
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transcript.whisperx[2633].text 你7月9號才知道
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transcript.whisperx[2634].text 後知後覺
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transcript.whisperx[2635].text 麻煩委員讓我時間說明
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transcript.whisperx[2636].text 7月9號台檔收到
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transcript.whisperx[2637].text 高雄市政府預防性下架的一個通知
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transcript.whisperx[2638].text 他有通報
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transcript.whisperx[2639].text 所以你是7月9號知道的
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transcript.whisperx[2640].text 我們國營是因為平常的
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transcript.whisperx[2641].text 台檔公司的正常的採購的事項
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transcript.whisperx[2642].text 包括國營機構
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transcript.whisperx[2643].text 你不會介入
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transcript.whisperx[2644].text 非常多的採購的事項
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transcript.whisperx[2645].text 好你是7月9號知道的
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transcript.whisperx[2646].text 他以免費的標準
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transcript.whisperx[2647].text 他不會跟我們說明
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transcript.whisperx[2648].text 好那市長我再問你
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transcript.whisperx[2649].text 你認為台檔的社會責任
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transcript.whisperx[2650].text 下一次他在發現這種原料超標
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transcript.whisperx[2651].text 含有毒物質
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transcript.whisperx[2652].text 你認為他需不需要通報
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transcript.whisperx[2653].text 這個就是我們
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transcript.whisperx[2654].text 今天本來議程要討論的食安法
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transcript.whisperx[2655].text 需要去進行
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transcript.whisperx[2656].text 你認為需不需要通報
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transcript.whisperx[2657].text 你告訴我就好
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transcript.whisperx[2658].text 我想知道你的標準
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transcript.whisperx[2659].text 現在是台檔發現的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2660].text 類似這樣的情況需不需要通報
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transcript.whisperx[2661].text 你告訴我就好
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transcript.whisperx[2662].text 你作為他的
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transcript.whisperx[2663].text 你覺得需不需要
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transcript.whisperx[2664].text 不敢回答請你回去
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transcript.whisperx[2665].text 來石崇良部長
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transcript.whisperx[2666].text 市長你請回
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transcript.whisperx[2667].text 你根本都不敢回答這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[2668].text 我只能說非常的遺憾
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transcript.whisperx[2669].text 這個社會有良心的人越來越少
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transcript.whisperx[2671].text 還有詹長權教授
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transcript.whisperx[2672].text 他們是社會的良心
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transcript.whisperx[2673].text 他們講該講的話
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transcript.whisperx[2674].text 不像現在的官員只想護航
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transcript.whisperx[2675].text 然後不講真話
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transcript.whisperx[2676].text 食安法
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transcript.whisperx[2677].text 這個徐福主任你也站過來
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transcript.whisperx[2678].text 食安法當時在修法的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2679].text 你應該站你當時是專家學者
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transcript.whisperx[2680].text 上一波的食安法修法的精神
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transcript.whisperx[2681].text 我跟大家講
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transcript.whisperx[2682].text 他很明確告訴大家
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transcript.whisperx[2683].text 食品包含原料
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transcript.whisperx[2684].text 跟產品
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transcript.whisperx[2685].text 而且他又告訴大家
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transcript.whisperx[2686].text 這個產品涉及到的原材料
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transcript.whisperx[2687].text 原料半成品
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transcript.whisperx[2688].text 他都要業者做什麼
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transcript.whisperx[2689].text 自主的檢驗把關
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transcript.whisperx[2690].text 所以當時2014年所修的食安法
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transcript.whisperx[2691].text 他的修法的精神
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transcript.whisperx[2692].text 就是詹長權教授所講的
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transcript.whisperx[2693].text 他是建立在預警
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transcript.whisperx[2694].text 跟可控的這樣的精神裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2695].text 如果你今天是站在一個預警的角度
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transcript.whisperx[2696].text 管控食安
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transcript.whisperx[2697].text 從源頭把關
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transcript.whisperx[2698].text 今天台糖發現
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transcript.whisperx[2699].text 這樣的一個原油脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[2700].text 本便品嚴重超標的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2701].text 作為一個國營企業
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transcript.whisperx[2702].text 善盡社會責任
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transcript.whisperx[2703].text 就應該要通報主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[2704].text 這樣的一個做法
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transcript.whisperx[2705].text 才符合所有食安法
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transcript.whisperx[2706].text 你從第一條看到最後一條
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transcript.whisperx[2707].text 他在要求的
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transcript.whisperx[2708].text 都是從源頭的原料管道成品
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transcript.whisperx[2709].text 絕對不是你們現在的推脫之詞
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transcript.whisperx[2710].text 什麼這個脫膠的原油不是食品
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transcript.whisperx[2711].text 所以都不在食安法的管制範圍嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2712].text 這樣的說法荒謬無比
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transcript.whisperx[2713].text 而且完全違反食安法的精神
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transcript.whisperx[2714].text 這個也是我相信詹長權教授
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transcript.whisperx[2715].text 為什麼他痛批
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transcript.whisperx[2716].text 他說這已經是政府誠信跟治理的問題
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transcript.whisperx[2717].text 法律你要從嚴或從寬解釋
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transcript.whisperx[2718].text 的確政府你把握了公權力
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transcript.whisperx[2719].text 你有權去解釋
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transcript.whisperx[2720].text 但是我只能說你要憑良心
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transcript.whisperx[2721].text 食安法的精神
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transcript.whisperx[2722].text 是給你們這樣子濫用的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2723].text 更何況我們再來看一下
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transcript.whisperx[2724].text 這個衛福部不要自己講過的事情
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transcript.whisperx[2725].text 立刻講過就忘記
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transcript.whisperx[2726].text 你在2014年3月11號
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transcript.whisperx[2727].text 那時候的整個食藥署很正常
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transcript.whisperx[2728].text 而且勇於認識
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transcript.whisperx[2729].text 而且積極開會
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transcript.whisperx[2730].text 從這個蘇丹紅事件
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transcript.whisperx[2731].text 願意認真去檢討
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transcript.whisperx[2732].text 而且告訴大家
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transcript.whisperx[2733].text 就是原料出問題
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transcript.whisperx[2734].text 也都需要通報
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transcript.whisperx[2735].text 因為我們拒絕源頭不法
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transcript.whisperx[2736].text 講得非常好
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transcript.whisperx[2737].text 這一篇新聞稿我給100分
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transcript.whisperx[2738].text 非常好
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transcript.whisperx[2739].text 認真做事
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transcript.whisperx[2740].text 而且他提醒大家
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transcript.whisperx[2741].text 食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[2742].text 如果你發現原料或產品
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transcript.whisperx[2743].text 有危害衛生安全之餘
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transcript.whisperx[2744].text 要主動
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transcript.whisperx[2745].text 通報直轄市縣市主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[2746].text 這個是2024白紙黑字
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transcript.whisperx[2747].text 由食藥署發出的新聞稿
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transcript.whisperx[2748].text 他的校期只有兩年嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2749].text 遇到了台糖就會轉溫嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2750].text 你當時這樣的一個宣示
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transcript.whisperx[2751].text 難道你沒有通通去告訴所有的業者嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2752].text 原料有問題
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transcript.whisperx[2753].text 需不需要通報
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transcript.whisperx[2754].text 還是要通報
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transcript.whisperx[2755].text 結果為了替台糖開脫
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transcript.whisperx[2756].text 你現在所有的法律重新解釋
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transcript.whisperx[2757].text 你又倒退回來了
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transcript.whisperx[2758].text 好像2024年這件事情沒有發生
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transcript.whisperx[2759].text 我還沒有講完
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transcript.whisperx[2760].text 你不要插嘴
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transcript.whisperx[2761].text 源頭就要管理
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transcript.whisperx[2762].text 這個沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[2763].text 這源頭就是要管理
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transcript.whisperx[2764].text 你等我講完
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transcript.whisperx[2765].text 這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[2766].text 真的讓人家對於現在的衛福部
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transcript.whisperx[2767].text 非常的失望
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transcript.whisperx[2768].text 我要請行政院食安辦的許甫主任
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transcript.whisperx[2769].text 你現在站出來
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transcript.whisperx[2770].text 你作為衛福部上級的主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[2771].text 那個來
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transcript.whisperx[2772].text 許甫主任講
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transcript.whisperx[2773].text 各位好
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transcript.whisperx[2774].text 2014年這個食安法的精神
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transcript.whisperx[2775].text 是不是我們要預警
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transcript.whisperx[2776].text 我們要做風險管理
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transcript.whisperx[2777].text 我們要從源頭管理
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transcript.whisperx[2778].text 是或不是
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transcript.whisperx[2779].text 原則上是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[2780].text 但是它的樣態不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[2781].text 我剛聽委員的這個說明
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transcript.whisperx[2782].text 事實上
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transcript.whisperx[2783].text 從原料來看它有分類
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transcript.whisperx[2784].text 假設一個微生物的含量過高
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transcript.whisperx[2785].text 那就是要透過
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transcript.whisperx[2786].text 所以不是所有的原料都需要通報
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transcript.whisperx[2787].text 2024年食藥署的這一個公開的宣導
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transcript.whisperx[2788].text 跟新聞稿
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transcript.whisperx[2789].text 蘇丹紅那是不得在食品裡面去檢出
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transcript.whisperx[2790].text 它不是一個
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transcript.whisperx[2791].text 所以這個新聞稿的範圍
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transcript.whisperx[2792].text 有效範圍僅限於蘇丹紅嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2793].text 你的原料是只有蘇丹紅這三個字
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transcript.whisperx[2794].text 不是就不應添加的都應該要這樣
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transcript.whisperx[2795].text 你有說不應添加嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2796].text 你有認真看待
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transcript.whisperx[2797].text 大家看一下
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transcript.whisperx[2798].text 我們的法令
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transcript.whisperx[2799].text 我們的第15條
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transcript.whisperx[2800].text 第一項第三款
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transcript.whisperx[2801].text 是誰告訴你
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transcript.whisperx[2802].text 是誰告訴你
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transcript.whisperx[2803].text 要添加的才算
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transcript.whisperx[2804].text 不是這樣講
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transcript.whisperx[2805].text 詹老師講的是有道理
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transcript.whisperx[2806].text 但是要看樣態
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transcript.whisperx[2807].text 你所有的生的東西
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transcript.whisperx[2808].text 菌的數量一定是比較多
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transcript.whisperx[2809].text 那當然是從預警
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transcript.whisperx[2810].text 你要先殺完菌才能再來用
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transcript.whisperx[2811].text 那你做成調理包的
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transcript.whisperx[2812].text 變成下游拿來用的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2813].text 它就不應該炒標
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transcript.whisperx[2814].text 所以它的這個樣態是會不一樣的
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transcript.whisperx[2815].text 好那我就問你
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transcript.whisperx[2816].text 所以脫膠原油的本扁皮
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transcript.whisperx[2817].text 有多少才合理
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transcript.whisperx[2818].text 含有多少才合理
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transcript.whisperx[2819].text 這個全世界並沒有針對這個去訂
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transcript.whisperx[2820].text 這個標準的
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transcript.whisperx[2821].text 所以我們是在看成品游
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transcript.whisperx[2822].text 那你的預警機制到底怎麼做
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transcript.whisperx[2823].text 當你下游
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transcript.whisperx[2824].text 當中年生產出來的脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[2825].text 本扁皮超標這麼多
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transcript.whisperx[2826].text 你還說因為我們沒有訂標準
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transcript.whisperx[2827].text 我不能採取任何作為
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transcript.whisperx[2828].text 那你怎麼樣去預警
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transcript.whisperx[2829].text 檢查出來有意義嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2830].text 好比說放白土活性炭等等
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transcript.whisperx[2831].text 下降到這個合格值之下
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transcript.whisperx[2832].text 你覺得這樣合理嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2833].text 你覺得台糖都不敢用了
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transcript.whisperx[2834].text 那這一波有疑慮了
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transcript.whisperx[2835].text 然後這個都不需要處理
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transcript.whisperx[2836].text 也不需要通報
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transcript.whisperx[2837].text 你們現在還覺得這樣很合理
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transcript.whisperx[2839].text 最大的破口就是行政院跟外福部
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transcript.whisperx[2840].text 你們從點頭去放鬆
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transcript.whisperx[2841].text 我就舉台糖為例
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transcript.whisperx[2842].text 放鬆啊
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transcript.whisperx[2843].text 沒有放鬆
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transcript.whisperx[2846].text 為什麼需要退運
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transcript.whisperx[2847].text 為什麼不能再生產製造
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transcript.whisperx[2848].text 為什麼你們要告訴大家
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transcript.whisperx[2849].text 他繼續在中聯的油炒
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transcript.whisperx[2850].text 按照你們剛剛回答的邏輯
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transcript.whisperx[2851].text 你知道犯了多大的問題嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2852].text 只要可以脫臭最終成品
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transcript.whisperx[2853].text 驗不出本扁皮就好
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transcript.whisperx[2854].text 我管你原料有多糟糕
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transcript.whisperx[2855].text 我的技術可以精煉到這樣就好
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transcript.whisperx[2856].text 是這樣嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2857].text 我們要管理確保食安是
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transcript.whisperx[2858].text 所以都要從原料管理啊
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transcript.whisperx[2859].text 怎麼會說原料不需要管理呢
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transcript.whisperx[2860].text 這一批原料自始至終都在中聯裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2861].text 它不是台糖的物品啊
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transcript.whisperx[2862].text 所以台糖派人去中聯看
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transcript.whisperx[2863].text 去送驗回來
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transcript.whisperx[2864].text 知道說這一批梅荷格的不能收
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transcript.whisperx[2865].text 徐福主任我提醒你
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transcript.whisperx[2866].text 這件事情是這樣子的
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transcript.whisperx[2867].text 你現在是食安辦的主任
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transcript.whisperx[2868].text 你不是台糖的發言人
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transcript.whisperx[2869].text 作為一個食安辦的主任
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transcript.whisperx[2870].text 我真的希望你有詹長犬教授這樣的勇氣跟骨氣
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transcript.whisperx[2871].text 這樣才能做好食安的把關
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transcript.whisperx[2872].text 而不是遇到事情的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2873].text 你們都變成是護航團
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transcript.whisperx[2874].text 沒有必要
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transcript.whisperx[2875].text 我今天也沒有說台糖有非常非常的不對
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transcript.whisperx[2876].text 但我認為他做錯一件事情是
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transcript.whisperx[2877].text 你至少門前雪
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transcript.whisperx[2878].text 你今天發現這麼重大的瑕疵
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transcript.whisperx[2879].text 你為什麼跟主管機關講一聲會怎樣嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2880].text 你不是阻止了一場重大食安事件的發生嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2881].text 結果你們現在不是全部矛起來
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transcript.whisperx[2882].text 要告訴大家說台糖沒有錯
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transcript.whisperx[2883].text 台糖好棒棒
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transcript.whisperx[2884].text 是棒在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[2885].text 他至少門前雪
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transcript.whisperx[2886].text 他沒有發揮他該有的社會責任
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transcript.whisperx[2887].text 他連一個吹哨者都不如
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transcript.whisperx[2888].text 在這一點上面不應該被檢討嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2890].text 下一次有類似這樣的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[2891].text 你認為他應不該通報
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transcript.whisperx[2892].text 要或不要
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transcript.whisperx[2894].text 你趕快講真話
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transcript.whisperx[2895].text 要不要通報
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transcript.whisperx[2897].text 依法規來取決
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transcript.whisperx[2898].text 我就直接問你
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transcript.whisperx[2899].text 下一次如果這個
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transcript.whisperx[2900].text 你們這個脫交原有
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transcript.whisperx[2901].text 出現本田地鈔標像這樣子欺貝
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transcript.whisperx[2902].text 需不需要通報
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transcript.whisperx[2903].text 需不需要通報
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transcript.whisperx[2904].text 台糖有沒有通報的責任跟義務
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transcript.whisperx[2905].text 這是他的原料
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transcript.whisperx[2906].text 應該不是台糖原料
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transcript.whisperx[2907].text 是中聯的原料
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transcript.whisperx[2908].text 在他的草裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2909].text 我要說明的是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[2910].text 然後還要看樣態的
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transcript.whisperx[2911].text 好我真的不用問你們
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transcript.whisperx[2912].text 你們太令人失望了
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transcript.whisperx[2913].text 這個如果我們的食安要把關
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transcript.whisperx[2914].text 一定是源頭把關
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transcript.whisperx[2915].text 一定是按照你們原來的這份新聞稿講的
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transcript.whisperx[2916].text 原料半成品還有成品
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transcript.whisperx[2917].text 發現有問題的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2918].text 都應該要主動通報
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transcript.whisperx[2919].text 你這個才能發揮成成把關
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transcript.whisperx[2920].text 這樣子互相去監督
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transcript.whisperx[2921].text 互相去通報
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transcript.whisperx[2922].text 你才能為食安把關
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transcript.whisperx[2923].text 但是我真的非常的痛心
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transcript.whisperx[2924].text 今天我們的公部門
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transcript.whisperx[2925].text 不站在捍衛人民食安最高標準
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transcript.whisperx[2927].text 然後講一些是是而非的道理
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transcript.whisperx[2928].text 然後再硬拗
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transcript.whisperx[2929].text 這樣子我們的食安怎麼從源頭把關
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transcript.whisperx[2930].text 這個真的是讓人家看了
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transcript.whisperx[2931].text 非常非常的失望
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transcript.whisperx[2932].text 真理不敢講
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transcript.whisperx[2933].text 我真的覺得你們的位置通通都可以下來了
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transcript.whisperx[2934].text 我們希望詹長權教授
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transcript.whisperx[2935].text 可以來主導我們的食安
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transcript.whisperx[2936].text 我們現在食安需要長
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transcript.whisperx[2937].text 長理的人是要有一個有道德的勇氣
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transcript.whisperx[2938].text 在食安把關上面
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transcript.whisperx[2939].text 他真的是站在人民這一邊的
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transcript.whisperx[2940].text 我們需要這樣的一個專家
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transcript.whisperx[2941].text 來帶領我們的食安
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transcript.whisperx[2942].text 如果只是為了位置而存在的話
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transcript.whisperx[2943].text 我真的覺得我們台灣真的不需要
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transcript.whisperx[2944].text 好 我的質詢到這邊結束
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transcript.whisperx[2945].text 我跟委員最後說明一句
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transcript.whisperx[2946].text 我們的調查報告寫得很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[2947].text 必須按照原料的品質做製程調整
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transcript.whisperx[2948].text 所以需要監督的
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transcript.whisperx[2949].text 是地方政府要去監督好
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transcript.whisperx[2950].text 他的製程過程
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transcript.whisperx[2951].text 是不是符合HACCP的標準
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transcript.whisperx[2952].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[2953].text 謝謝王毓民委員的質詢
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transcript.whisperx[2954].text 現在請邱霍入委員質詢
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transcript.whisperx[2955].text 好 有請主席還有各位委員
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transcript.whisperx[2956].text 各位官員大家好
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transcript.whisperx[2957].text 有請石崇良部長
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transcript.whisperx[2958].text 有請江志剛署長
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transcript.whisperx[2959].text 有請江署長石部長
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transcript.whisperx[2960].text 好 委員好
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transcript.whisperx[2961].text 是 我必須說呢
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transcript.whisperx[2962].text 這個剛陳金輝委員跟王毓民委員
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transcript.whisperx[2963].text 在台下質詢的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2964].text 我有非常多次我都忍不住了
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transcript.whisperx[2965].text 我都好想插嘴
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transcript.whisperx[2966].text 但是我忍到現在
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transcript.whisperx[2967].text 終於換我上台了
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transcript.whisperx[2968].text 好 我今天的題目是台長不通報
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transcript.whisperx[2969].text 還誇口他是乖寶寶
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transcript.whisperx[2970].text 真的是讓人家這個聽不下去
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transcript.whisperx[2971].text 那前情提要我先問上次的問題
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transcript.whisperx[2972].text 上次陳金輝委員問說
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transcript.whisperx[2973].text 可不可以公布20%神秘會議專家的名單
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transcript.whisperx[2974].text 然後你有提到說
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transcript.whisperx[2975].text 你要去詢問專家願不願意被公布
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transcript.whisperx[2976].text 請問一下你詢問的結果是怎樣
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transcript.whisperx[2977].text 我們今天下午會把它公布
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transcript.whisperx[2978].text 你說公布七位委員的名單
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transcript.whisperx[2979].text 七位委員的名單
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transcript.whisperx[2980].text 但是請大家不要獵巫
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transcript.whisperx[2981].text 他們都是學友專家
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transcript.whisperx[2982].text 我們就是論事啊
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transcript.whisperx[2983].text 怎麼會獵巫
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transcript.whisperx[2984].text 我們又不是輕鳥側翼
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transcript.whisperx[2985].text 怎麼會獵巫呢
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transcript.whisperx[2986].text 所以神秘的專家
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transcript.whisperx[2987].text 你們到時候會公布
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transcript.whisperx[2988].text 那我們就拭目以待
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transcript.whisperx[2989].text 好 那現在重點來了講內容
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transcript.whisperx[2990].text 內容就是說
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transcript.whisperx[2991].text 因為剛陳金輝委員也有修會議紀錄
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transcript.whisperx[2992].text 我有觀察到
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transcript.whisperx[2993].text 會議紀錄最後的結論就是建議
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transcript.whisperx[2994].text 建議將專家所提的建議納入考量
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transcript.whisperx[2995].text 建議業者預防性下架以20%為標準
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transcript.whisperx[2996].text 可是建議怎麼變強制
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transcript.whisperx[2997].text 7月4號公布的一個新聞就是強制
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transcript.whisperx[2998].text 就是20%以上的下架
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transcript.whisperx[2999].text 20%以下還可以再加上
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transcript.whisperx[3000].text 這不就是當時的法律秩序
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transcript.whisperx[3001].text 請問一下誰拍板
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transcript.whisperx[3002].text 剛陳金輝委員已經有問了
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transcript.whisperx[3003].text 好像是江之港委那個署長拍板
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transcript.whisperx[3004].text 因為你是會議主席
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transcript.whisperx[3005].text 所以這個20%人家學者只是建議
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transcript.whisperx[3006].text 那最後要有一個人拍板
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transcript.whisperx[3007].text 變成7月4號的法律秩序
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transcript.whisperx[3008].text 剛好像陳金輝委員問到
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transcript.whisperx[3009].text 是江之港署長拍板
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transcript.whisperx[3010].text 我只是在確認
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transcript.whisperx[3011].text 這個問題太重要了
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transcript.whisperx[3012].text 我只是在確認
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transcript.whisperx[3013].text 所以江署長是你拍板嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3014].text 所以不是時部長拍板
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transcript.whisperx[3015].text 也不是行政院長拍板嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3016].text 在跟委員說明這一次的
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transcript.whisperx[3017].text 整個的這個預防性下架
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transcript.whisperx[3018].text 是逐步的在擴大
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transcript.whisperx[3019].text 它是逐步的擴大
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transcript.whisperx[3020].text 一開始是問題
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transcript.whisperx[3021].text 不用講那些我都知道了
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transcript.whisperx[3022].text 7月8號24點才把第二章到三點
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transcript.whisperx[3023].text 不要轉移焦點不要問A打B
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transcript.whisperx[3024].text 因為時間很有限
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transcript.whisperx[3025].text 我後面題目很多
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transcript.whisperx[3026].text 那請問一下是誰拍板
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transcript.whisperx[3027].text 江之港署長
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transcript.whisperx[3028].text 你要不要為自己捍衛一下
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transcript.whisperx[3029].text 因為剛剛聽起來就是你
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transcript.whisperx[3030].text 你是會議主席
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transcript.whisperx[3031].text 最後是你拍板嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3032].text 這個最後都是
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transcript.whisperx[3033].text 沒關係你不要護航
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transcript.whisperx[3034].text 我在問江之港
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transcript.whisperx[3035].text 都是我們為福部來處理的
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transcript.whisperx[3036].text 那所以就是時同僚拍板嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3037].text 就是誰
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transcript.whisperx[3038].text 我只是要一個人民而已
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transcript.whisperx[3039].text 那你的意思就是說
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transcript.whisperx[3040].text 都是你們為福部
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transcript.whisperx[3041].text 那就是你加張
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transcript.whisperx[3042].text 那個江之港署長兩個人嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3043].text 意思就是這樣嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3044].text 還是你還要再去
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transcript.whisperx[3045].text 這最後要怎麼樣的
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transcript.whisperx[3046].text 這個擴大這個預防性下架的話
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transcript.whisperx[3047].text 都是參考了
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transcript.whisperx[3048].text 不是這個20%你們到現在
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transcript.whisperx[3049].text 不是都還認為很正確
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transcript.whisperx[3050].text 專家會你的建議
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transcript.whisperx[3051].text 然後再根據我們調查的結果
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transcript.whisperx[3052].text 都還認為20%很正確
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transcript.whisperx[3053].text 而會嘎然而止
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transcript.whisperx[3054].text 只是因為不希望地方
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transcript.whisperx[3055].text 他在執行上有困難
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transcript.whisperx[3056].text 如果你真的覺得這20%
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transcript.whisperx[3057].text 這麼的美好
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transcript.whisperx[3058].text 為什麼到現在
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transcript.whisperx[3059].text 問一個人民問不出來
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transcript.whisperx[3060].text 那這樣子不是讓我們很自益嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3061].text 我們已經同意了
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transcript.whisperx[3062].text 不是就誰拍板嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3063].text 就誰拍板嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3064].text 就你跟江之港署長
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transcript.whisperx[3065].text 兩個人拍板嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3066].text 為什麼問一個
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transcript.whisperx[3067].text 你如果20%的沒有身分
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transcript.whisperx[3068].text 為什麼要迴避要反躲
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transcript.whisperx[3069].text 沒有問題啊
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transcript.whisperx[3070].text 沒有問題你就講啊
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transcript.whisperx[3071].text 等於是誰是你嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3072].text 是從量拍板20%嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3073].text 就是這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[3074].text 好那奇怪這個答案
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transcript.whisperx[3075].text 其實早就可以承認了
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transcript.whisperx[3076].text 為什麼到今天8月5號才承認
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transcript.whisperx[3077].text 好來台湯蓋牌呢
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transcript.whisperx[3078].text 那如果我想台湯的事情
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transcript.whisperx[3079].text 我們都非常了解
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transcript.whisperx[3080].text 如果不是台中的地方法院吹哨的話
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transcript.whisperx[3081].text 我想我們全民現在還蒙在鼓裡
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transcript.whisperx[3082].text 那剛我也講了
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transcript.whisperx[3083].text 南橋沒有通報被開罰
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transcript.whisperx[3084].text 台湯沒有通報就被開脫
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transcript.whisperx[3085].text 很明顯的就是雙標嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3086].text 那現在署長你的意思就是
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transcript.whisperx[3087].text 大家去追究台湯你不了解這個邏輯
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transcript.whisperx[3088].text 那我們才不了解你的邏輯
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transcript.whisperx[3089].text 因為邏輯很簡單啊
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transcript.whisperx[3090].text 邏輯就是食安法第七條第五項啊
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transcript.whisperx[3092].text 那就應該要通報當地的主管縣市啊
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transcript.whisperx[3093].text 所以邏輯很簡單啊
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transcript.whisperx[3094].text 第七條第五項法有明文規定啊
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transcript.whisperx[3095].text 產品有危害衛生安全之虞就要通報啊
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transcript.whisperx[3096].text 請問哪裡不了解這個邏輯
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transcript.whisperx[3097].text 我的邏輯很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[3098].text 我們訂的扁平比的標準是實用油脂
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transcript.whisperx[3099].text 這個是脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[3100].text 我們沒有訂脫膠原油的標準
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transcript.whisperx[3101].text 好那時部長我要跟你講一件事
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transcript.whisperx[3102].text 不是法律專家就不要亂解釋法律
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transcript.whisperx[3103].text 不是法律專家不懂法律就請長佐
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transcript.whisperx[3106].text 半成品不是食品
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transcript.whisperx[3107].text 食安法哪一條告訴我們脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[3109].text 脫膠原油沒有訂標準
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transcript.whisperx[3110].text BAP的標準是指食用油脂
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transcript.whisperx[3111].text 脫膠原油不是食用油脂
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transcript.whisperx[3112].text 所以它就沒有標準啊
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transcript.whisperx[3113].text 沒有標準
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transcript.whisperx[3114].text 如果要訂也可以
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transcript.whisperx[3115].text 我們大家來討論要訂多少
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transcript.whisperx[3116].text 可是全世界沒有人訂脫膠原油的扁平標準
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transcript.whisperx[3117].text 你是不是人
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transcript.whisperx[3118].text 你是人嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3119].text 那生你的阿公的阿公
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transcript.whisperx[3120].text 你來自於阿公的阿公嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3121].text 今天才有你存在站在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[3122].text 你是人嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3123].text 那你阿公的阿公是不是人
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transcript.whisperx[3124].text 你下游這個人的產品是從上游來的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3125].text 你的阿公應該
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transcript.whisperx[3126].text 你阿公是不是人你回答不出來
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transcript.whisperx[3127].text 你的阿公是不是人
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transcript.whisperx[3129].text 阿公是不是人
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transcript.whisperx[3130].text 我的細胞不能說細胞就是人
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transcript.whisperx[3131].text 不是啦我在問你阿公是不是人啦
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transcript.whisperx[3132].text 你就是從阿公來的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3133].text 人是由細胞
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transcript.whisperx[3134].text 然後組成器官
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transcript.whisperx[3135].text 你的阿公是不是人你不敢回答
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transcript.whisperx[3136].text 回避到這種程度
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transcript.whisperx[3137].text 不是啊你就回答阿公是不是人
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transcript.whisperx[3138].text 你再回答我
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transcript.whisperx[3139].text 我在打連我的邏輯啊
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transcript.whisperx[3140].text 那你的阿公
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transcript.whisperx[3141].text 問你你的阿公是不是人
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transcript.whisperx[3142].text 我不瞭解你的邏輯
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transcript.whisperx[3143].text 你不瞭解我的邏輯啊
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transcript.whisperx[3144].text 那你就是連你現在就是護航
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transcript.whisperx[3145].text 到連你的阿公是不是人你都沒有辦法回應
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transcript.whisperx[3146].text 好那我問部長的邏輯就是
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transcript.whisperx[3147].text 如果今天
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transcript.whisperx[3148].text 我沒有要批評你的阿公
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transcript.whisperx[3149].text 是因為你不回答
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transcript.whisperx[3150].text 我現在要問你
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transcript.whisperx[3151].text 你的出油是不是食品
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transcript.whisperx[3152].text 如果你今天十大碰沙拉油是食品
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transcript.whisperx[3155].text 食安法呢
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transcript.whisperx[3156].text 看不懂食安法請長佐
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transcript.whisperx[3157].text 來食安法對於食品的定義是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[3158].text 來講一下食品的定義是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[3160].text 原料不是食品
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transcript.whisperx[3161].text 因為考量成本
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transcript.whisperx[3162].text 所以食安法才把原料歸進去
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transcript.whisperx[3163].text 原料不是食品
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transcript.whisperx[3164].text 這是誰的論述
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transcript.whisperx[3165].text 剛有一個人的論述
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transcript.whisperx[3166].text 曾經會委員問的
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transcript.whisperx[3167].text 原料不是食品
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transcript.whisperx[3168].text 請問一下部長你覺得原料是食品嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3170].text 食品當然包含產品及其原料
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transcript.whisperx[3171].text 如果原料是食品
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transcript.whisperx[3172].text 第七條的通報
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transcript.whisperx[3173].text 你也可以念一下
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transcript.whisperx[3174].text 它談的是產品通報
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transcript.whisperx[3176].text 原料最後會變成成品
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transcript.whisperx[3177].text 第七條第五項
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transcript.whisperx[3178].text 中間會有經過辦成品
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transcript.whisperx[3179].text 那請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[3180].text 如果原料都已經是食品了
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transcript.whisperx[3181].text 食品業者已發現產品有危害
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transcript.whisperx[3182].text 所以他針對的通報是產品
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transcript.whisperx[3183].text 你為什麼覺得產品兩個字
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transcript.whisperx[3184].text 沒有包括成品跟辦成品
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transcript.whisperx[3185].text 為什麼你覺得成品兩個字
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transcript.whisperx[3186].text 來我們看一下食安法第七條第二項
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transcript.whisperx[3187].text 食品業者應該把產品原材料辦成品
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transcript.whisperx[3188].text 是食用油脂
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transcript.whisperx[3189].text 你不要跟他稀扯
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transcript.whisperx[3190].text 我現在跟你講產品
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transcript.whisperx[3191].text 來我請江志剛
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transcript.whisperx[3192].text 江志剛署長
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transcript.whisperx[3193].text 我知道你有法律背景
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transcript.whisperx[3194].text 請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[3197].text 我們再講
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transcript.whisperx[3199].text 衛生健康之虞要通報
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transcript.whisperx[3201].text 有包括成品跟辦成品嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3202].text 我想這邊的產品
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transcript.whisperx[3203].text 你有讀過法律
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transcript.whisperx[3204].text 請你不要
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transcript.whisperx[3205].text 相對應
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transcript.whisperx[3206].text 我們其實對於規制裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3207].text 有訂標準的這些產品
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transcript.whisperx[3208].text 有違規
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transcript.whisperx[3211].text 跟你做進一步的交流
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transcript.whisperx[3212].text 那我什麼東西
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transcript.whisperx[3215].text 它有訂定的
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transcript.whisperx[3216].text 特定是衛生標準的扁平皮
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transcript.whisperx[3217].text 所以這個產品有違規
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transcript.whisperx[3218].text 一定要通報
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transcript.whisperx[3219].text 之虞好嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3220].text 所以違規和產品
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transcript.whisperx[3221].text 你把之虞林淑芬委員
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transcript.whisperx[3222].text 在一個月之前
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transcript.whisperx[3223].text 就已經之虞兩個字
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transcript.whisperx[3224].text 一再而再的提醒衛福部了
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transcript.whisperx[3225].text 之虞就是沒有嚴格標準
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transcript.whisperx[3226].text 懂不懂法律
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transcript.whisperx[3227].text 現在是連文藝解釋
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transcript.whisperx[3228].text 也掌握不了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3229].text 這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[3234].text 被你們解釋起來
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transcript.whisperx[3236].text 為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[3237].text 如果你的第二項
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transcript.whisperx[3238].text 有提到說產品原材料辦成品成品
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transcript.whisperx[3239].text 就代表ABC這項元素
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transcript.whisperx[3242].text 被你們解釋起來
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transcript.whisperx[3243].text 沒有成品跟辦成品
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transcript.whisperx[3244].text 委員如果要把它
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transcript.whisperx[3245].text 做最大擴大的解釋
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transcript.whisperx[3246].text 也不是不行
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transcript.whisperx[3249].text 人家已經知與了
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transcript.whisperx[3250].text 請問知與會有標準嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3251].text 知與你看不懂法律嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3252].text 知與會有標準
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transcript.whisperx[3253].text 你現在為了要呼籲
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transcript.whisperx[3254].text 委員到這種程度
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transcript.whisperx[3255].text 來我先跟你
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transcript.whisperx[3257].text 這是因為法律專家
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transcript.whisperx[3258].text 所以聽不下去
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transcript.whisperx[3259].text 我在下面就是聽得很痛苦
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transcript.whisperx[3260].text 我講一下
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transcript.whisperx[3261].text 所有的法律都有確定
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transcript.whisperx[3264].text 你們的30條
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transcript.whisperx[3265].text 你們的31條
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transcript.whisperx[3266].text 你們的32條
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transcript.whisperx[3267].text 一錄以下
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transcript.whisperx[3268].text 你們都把
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transcript.whisperx[3269].text 食品跟產品兩個字混用
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transcript.whisperx[3270].text 回去看食安法
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transcript.whisperx[3271].text 不要在這邊
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transcript.whisperx[3273].text 不是食品
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transcript.whisperx[3275].text 其實它就包括
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transcript.whisperx[3278].text 縱使不了解文藝解釋
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transcript.whisperx[3279].text 也應該掌握目的性的解釋
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transcript.whisperx[3281].text 都被認為是食品
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transcript.whisperx[3282].text 中間會經過辦成品
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transcript.whisperx[3283].text 最後會變成成品
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transcript.whisperx[3285].text 不叫食品
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transcript.whisperx[3287].text 這個完全是聽不下去
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transcript.whisperx[3288].text 完全對不起整部食安法
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transcript.whisperx[3289].text 你們把整部食安法
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transcript.whisperx[3291].text 原料的歸原料
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transcript.whisperx[3292].text 辦成品的歸辦成品
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transcript.whisperx[3293].text 成品的歸成品
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transcript.whisperx[3295].text 解釋的支離破碎
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transcript.whisperx[3296].text 就只是為了護航
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transcript.whisperx[3298].text 請你去問法律專家
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transcript.whisperx[3299].text 因為其實真的有法律專家
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transcript.whisperx[3300].text 已經打臉你了
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transcript.whisperx[3301].text 高前署的處任
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transcript.whisperx[3302].text 他已經打臉你了
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transcript.whisperx[3303].text 人家是讀法律的
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transcript.whisperx[3304].text 你不是讀法律的
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transcript.whisperx[3305].end 10757
transcript.whisperx[3305].text 你也許是衛生福利事項的專家
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transcript.whisperx[3306].end 10759
transcript.whisperx[3306].text 但是你不是解釋法律的專家
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transcript.whisperx[3307].end 10760
transcript.whisperx[3307].text 我們解釋法律
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transcript.whisperx[3308].end 10761
transcript.whisperx[3308].text 有文藝解釋
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transcript.whisperx[3309].end 10762
transcript.whisperx[3309].text 有目的性解釋
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transcript.whisperx[3310].end 10764
transcript.whisperx[3310].text 我們有體系解釋
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transcript.whisperx[3311].end 10766
transcript.whisperx[3311].text 不管用哪一種標準解釋
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transcript.whisperx[3312].end 10767
transcript.whisperx[3312].text 解釋進來
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transcript.whisperx[3313].text 產品兩個字我再說一次
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transcript.whisperx[3314].text 就是包括成品跟辦成品
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transcript.whisperx[3315].text 我再說一次
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transcript.whisperx[3316].text 產品兩個字就是食品
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transcript.whisperx[3317].text 我再說一次
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transcript.whisperx[3318].end 10776
transcript.whisperx[3318].text 從食安法
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transcript.whisperx[3319].end 10778
transcript.whisperx[3319].text 從第一條看到最後一條
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transcript.whisperx[3320].text 產品跟食品兩個字
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transcript.whisperx[3321].text 完全是混用的
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transcript.whisperx[3322].text 經得起考驗
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transcript.whisperx[3323].text 大家自己去翻食安法
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transcript.whisperx[3324].end 10787
transcript.whisperx[3324].text 請問一下經濟部的亂猜說
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transcript.whisperx[3325].text 部長認同嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3326].text 你如果去買菜
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transcript.whisperx[3327].text 結果那個阿姨跟你講說
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transcript.whisperx[3328].text 你買到這個亂猜
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transcript.whisperx[3329].text 請問你做何感想
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transcript.whisperx[3330].text 請問你買的部長
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transcript.whisperx[3331].text 你買到這個亂猜
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transcript.whisperx[3332].text 請問你做何感想
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transcript.whisperx[3333].text 我再問石崇良部長
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transcript.whisperx[3334].text 請問你買到這個亂猜
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transcript.whisperx[3335].text 你做何感想
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transcript.whisperx[3336].text 這個照片有問題
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transcript.whisperx[3337].text 沒有關係啦 就AI啦
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transcript.whisperx[3338].text 名字是你啦
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transcript.whisperx[3339].text 沒有經過我同意
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transcript.whisperx[3340].text 沒有經過你同意
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transcript.whisperx[3341].text 我對這個組織我很抗議
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transcript.whisperx[3342].text 你很抗議 抗議什麼
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transcript.whisperx[3343].text 請問你抗議什麼
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transcript.whisperx[3344].text 沒有我同意
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transcript.whisperx[3345].text 怎麼會有我的肖像呢
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transcript.whisperx[3346].text 肖像完全是
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transcript.whisperx[3347].text 所以你要怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[3348].text 可以這樣嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3349].text 你可以主張
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transcript.whisperx[3350].text 當然可以
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transcript.whisperx[3351].end 10833.54
transcript.whisperx[3351].text 把它換成是委員的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3352].text 可以啊
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transcript.whisperx[3353].text 你換了它這沒有什麼
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transcript.whisperx[3354].text 這本來就是可說公平
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transcript.whisperx[3355].text 公開
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transcript.whisperx[3356].text 我尊重委員的肖像權
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transcript.whisperx[3357].text 沒關係
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transcript.whisperx[3358].text 你如果真的覺得你不舒服
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transcript.whisperx[3359].text 或者是如果你覺得我有違法
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transcript.whisperx[3360].text 那就請你去提告
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transcript.whisperx[3361].text 非常不舒服
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transcript.whisperx[3362].text 我很遺憾
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transcript.whisperx[3363].text 我很遺憾我在質詢
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transcript.whisperx[3364].text 站在立法委員的職權
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transcript.whisperx[3365].text 然後你不舒服
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transcript.whisperx[3366].text 我很遺憾啊
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transcript.whisperx[3367].text 那如果你要我道歉
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transcript.whisperx[3368].text 沒問題可以跟你道歉
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transcript.whisperx[3369].text 這根本是芝麻綠豆大的小事
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transcript.whisperx[3370].text 沒有必要拿來質詢台下議方
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transcript.whisperx[3371].text 第一如果你
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transcript.whisperx[3372].text 這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[3373].text 這個不是芝麻綠豆大的小事
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transcript.whisperx[3374].text 好沒關係
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transcript.whisperx[3375].text 如果你不舒服
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transcript.whisperx[3376].text 我就道歉
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transcript.whisperx[3377].text 那我現在就是
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transcript.whisperx[3378].text 如果今天你去買到一個爛菜
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transcript.whisperx[3379].text 請問一下你做何感想
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transcript.whisperx[3380].text 我當然不會想要買爛菜啊
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transcript.whisperx[3381].text 對啊
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transcript.whisperx[3382].text 你當然不會想買爛菜啊
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transcript.whisperx[3383].text 那為什麼爛菜會流通到市面
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transcript.whisperx[3384].text 因為政府沒有介入
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transcript.whisperx[3385].text 政府沒有管制啊
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transcript.whisperx[3386].text 所以爛菜才出現在菜攤上啊
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transcript.whisperx[3387].text 你當然不會想到買爛菜啊
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transcript.whisperx[3388].text 如果不通報全民受害
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transcript.whisperx[3389].text 連你部長也會被包獲進去啊
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transcript.whisperx[3390].text 部長我問你
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transcript.whisperx[3391].text 請問你真的吃到毒油
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transcript.whisperx[3392].text 你沒有關係嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3393].text 我們會油品做安全的吧
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transcript.whisperx[3394].text 我告訴你這些油已經全部都流到
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transcript.whisperx[3395].text 每個人的肚子裡面去
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transcript.whisperx[3396].text 連代總統都吃到了
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transcript.whisperx[3397].text 你真的吃到毒油也沒關係嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3398].text 好那我現在再問你一件事
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transcript.whisperx[3399].text 請問一下通報只能靠法律嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3400].text 我完全全認為食安法第七號第五項
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transcript.whisperx[3401].text 就是包括成品、半成品還有原料
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transcript.whisperx[3402].text 那你不認為
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transcript.whisperx[3403].text 好退一步言之
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transcript.whisperx[3404].text 如果通報不能靠法律的話
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transcript.whisperx[3405].text 能不能靠良心
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transcript.whisperx[3406].text 能不能用高標準
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transcript.whisperx[3407].text 法律只是一個最低的標準
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transcript.whisperx[3408].text 良心是一個比較高的標準
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transcript.whisperx[3409].text 難道我們對經濟本土
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transcript.whisperx[3410].text 我們台銅公司
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transcript.whisperx[3411].text 我們用的是最低的標準嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3412].text 我們不能用高一點的標準嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3413].text 我們都支持
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transcript.whisperx[3414].text 為了食安把關
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transcript.whisperx[3415].text 全民來通報
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transcript.whisperx[3416].text 我們都支持
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transcript.whisperx[3417].text 我們也鼓勵
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transcript.whisperx[3418].text 但是面對要裁罰的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3419].text 我們必須依法裁處
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transcript.whisperx[3420].text 那依法裁處就是已經告訴你了
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transcript.whisperx[3421].text 你們可能要請法律專家來幫你們
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transcript.whisperx[3422].text 鑑定第七條第五項
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transcript.whisperx[3423].text 有沒有包括產品
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transcript.whisperx[3424].text 我相信你去問十個法律專家
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transcript.whisperx[3425].end 10955.66
transcript.whisperx[3425].text 有十個法律專家都會告訴你
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transcript.whisperx[3426].text 產品絕對有包括成品跟半成品
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transcript.whisperx[3427].text 所以請你今天去找法律專家
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transcript.whisperx[3428].text 跟他們諮詢
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transcript.whisperx[3429].text 好來那接著我們來看一下
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transcript.whisperx[3430].text 通報義務要不要問總統
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transcript.whisperx[3431].text 總統在當台南市長的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3432].text 他有訂出這個台南市食品安全管理自治條例
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transcript.whisperx[3433].text 他有提到說食品有危害身體之慾
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transcript.whisperx[3434].text 但四十八小時就要通報
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transcript.whisperx[3435].text 那請問一下石崇良部長你認同
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transcript.whisperx[3436].text 這個賴清德總統
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transcript.whisperx[3437].text 在他市長任內所通過的這個自治條例嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3438].text 我認同依法行政
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transcript.whisperx[3439].text 你認同依法行政
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transcript.whisperx[3440].text 你認同依法行政
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transcript.whisperx[3444].text 因為我們大家解讀就是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[3445].text 剛剛提到我們需要依法行政
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transcript.whisperx[3446].text 衛福部一路開綠燈開到現在
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transcript.whisperx[3448].text 那依法行政很好
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transcript.whisperx[3450].text 沒關係法律保留
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transcript.whisperx[3451].text 我們訂的就是食用油脂的產品
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transcript.whisperx[3453].text 已經保留給法律去制定了
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transcript.whisperx[3454].text 就是食含法7條第五項
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transcript.whisperx[3455].text 他本身已經進行法律保留原則
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transcript.whisperx[3456].text 只是執法的人不認為
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transcript.whisperx[3457].text 法律裡頭的文藝有包括半成品
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transcript.whisperx[3458].text 所以你說你要依法行政
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transcript.whisperx[3459].text 我舉雙手我舉雙腳半成
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transcript.whisperx[3461].text 但是我還是強調
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transcript.whisperx[3462].text 我沒有擴大文藝
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transcript.whisperx[3463].text 你沒有擴大文藝這個就做法律的文藝
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transcript.whisperx[3464].text 解釋跟目的性體質還有體質
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transcript.whisperx[3465].text 蛤你再說一次
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transcript.whisperx[3467].text 是定在食用油脂不是脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[3469].text 可能還有很多人沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[3470].text 你有沒有看到董子余
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transcript.whisperx[3471].text 你剛開始在跟我編說
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transcript.whisperx[3472].text 才不包括半成品
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transcript.whisperx[3473].text 等我已經把聯名打到聯行總
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transcript.whisperx[3474].text 你講不下去你已經放棄
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transcript.whisperx[3477].text 說這個是嚴格的標準
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transcript.whisperx[3479].text 豬兩個字有嚴格的標準嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3480].text 到底看不看得懂法律啊
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transcript.whisperx[3481].text 所以現在到底沒有通報是
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transcript.whisperx[3482].text 出債產品兩個字
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transcript.whisperx[3483].text 還是出債之魚兩個字
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transcript.whisperx[3484].text 部長
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transcript.whisperx[3485].text 要裁罰我們一定要依據
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transcript.whisperx[3487].text 第七條第五項
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transcript.whisperx[3488].text 如果今天貶貧比是零減出
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transcript.whisperx[3489].text 那麼大家都不要
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transcript.whisperx[3492].text 之魚兩個字的高見
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transcript.whisperx[3493].text 請問一下衛福部什麼時候知情的
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transcript.whisperx[3494].text 台糖的事件
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transcript.whisperx[3496].text 那衛福部什麼時候知情的
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transcript.whisperx[3498].text 進去調查原因的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3499].text 看到的報告裡面有看到7月15號
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transcript.whisperx[3502].text 完全不知道這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[3503].text 所以你們7月15號才知道台糖這個事件
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transcript.whisperx[3504].text 來經濟部有請
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transcript.whisperx[3505].text 請問一下你們什麼時候知道
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transcript.whisperx[3506].text 這個台糖事件
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transcript.whisperx[3510].text 高雄市政府採訪預防性下架的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3511].text 我們就積極的去了解說
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transcript.whisperx[3513].text 有沒有危害的食品安全之一
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transcript.whisperx[3514].text 所以你是7月9號才知道的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3515].text 所以你是7月9號才知道的
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transcript.whisperx[3516].text 台糖公司有把這個事情
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transcript.whisperx[3517].text 那時候火燒那麼大
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transcript.whisperx[3519].text 不是 因為這個台糖的
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transcript.whisperx[3520].text 我們去了解
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transcript.whisperx[3522].text 都是合乎食安法的規定的
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transcript.whisperx[3523].text 第二個
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transcript.whisperx[3525].text 不允收的部分
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transcript.whisperx[3526].text 始終是在台中的中聯廠裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3527].text 並沒有到台糖的生產的供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[3528].text 那我現在問你
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transcript.whisperx[3529].text 而台中地方法院
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transcript.whisperx[3531].text 它在新聞稿提到
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transcript.whisperx[3532].text 沒關係 你說它退回給中聯
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transcript.whisperx[3533].text 那中聯請問誰要通報
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transcript.whisperx[3535].text 剛剛是說
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transcript.whisperx[3537].text 他們就是要通報
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transcript.whisperx[3538].text 誰要通報
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transcript.whisperx[3540].text 好 那我請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[3542].text 許甫主任誰要通報
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transcript.whisperx[3543].text 這個貨物的主人是中聯的
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transcript.whisperx[3544].text 所以是誰要通報
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transcript.whisperx[3545].text 好 那這個只是脫膠原有
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transcript.whisperx[3546].text 所以你們都覺得中聯要通報嗎 是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3548].text 請問法律依據在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[3549].text 因為它只是原料
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transcript.whisperx[3550].text 它只是脫膠原有
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transcript.whisperx[3553].text 你們不是認為七條第五項
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transcript.whisperx[3556].text 到了中聯就要通報
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transcript.whisperx[3557].text 而中聯用的法條就是七條第五項
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transcript.whisperx[3559].text 到了中聯就可以用
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transcript.whisperx[3561].text 好 我向委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[3562].text 同樣在十七條是衛生標準
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transcript.whisperx[3564].text 生菌素所有生的肉跟魚都是
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transcript.whisperx[3565].text 有危害安全值
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transcript.whisperx[3566].text 魚之魚兩個字是非常寬鬆的
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transcript.whisperx[3567].text 不要再跟我講嚴格的標準
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transcript.whisperx[3568].text 本皮的標準
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transcript.whisperx[3570].text 看原料屬於哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[3571].text 樣態就是台壇
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transcript.whisperx[3572].text 台壇的樣態就是不用通報
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transcript.whisperx[3574].text 中聯就是要通報
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transcript.whisperx[3575].text 這就是你們的樣態
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transcript.whisperx[3576].text 所以你們的抗片已經從產品
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transcript.whisperx[3577].text 現在已經發展到之魚兩個字了
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transcript.whisperx[3578].text 好 那請問一下行政院長
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transcript.whisperx[3579].text 為什麼在專案報告的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3580].text 我會理解我們吃的豬排
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transcript.whisperx[3581].text 它含有生菌
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transcript.whisperx[3582].text 所以生菌要不要來通報
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transcript.whisperx[3583].text 不用
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transcript.whisperx[3584].text 因為它最終的產品是做成炸豬排
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transcript.whisperx[3585].text 它會把生菌消除掉
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transcript.whisperx[3586].text 生菌是什麼 細菌嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3587].text 細菌 肉裡面有細菌
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transcript.whisperx[3588].text 那個是添加的細菌
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transcript.whisperx[3589].text 你不要在那邊跟我胡扯
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transcript.whisperx[3590].text 你跟我胡扯 跟我胡扯你的阿公
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transcript.whisperx[3591].text 在你的耳裡聽起來很怪
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transcript.whisperx[3592].text 在我的耳裡聽起來很怪
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transcript.whisperx[3593].text 你不要再跟我扯細菌
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transcript.whisperx[3594].text 我現在講的是半成品
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transcript.whisperx[3595].text 是屬於食品的一環
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transcript.whisperx[3596].text 你不要跟我扯東扯西
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transcript.whisperx[3597].text 因為我覺得你的邏輯我才不懂
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transcript.whisperx[3598].text 你的邏輯我才不懂得一塌糊塗好嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3599].text 來 行政院長請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[3600].text 他在食安匯報
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transcript.whisperx[3601].text 怎麼沒有提到台糖這件事
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transcript.whisperx[3602].text 你們有跟他報告嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3603].text 你一個說7月9號知情
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transcript.whisperx[3604].text 一個說7月15號知情
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transcript.whisperx[3605].text 請問一下院長
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transcript.whisperx[3606].text 你們完全都沒有跟行政院長報告過這件事嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3607].text 我們院大概就是署長
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transcript.whisperx[3608].text 所以
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transcript.whisperx[3609].text 所提到的就是從反正現在大概是9號
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transcript.whisperx[3610].text 然後15號進場去看到
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transcript.whisperx[3611].text 我知道啦
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transcript.whisperx[3612].text 但你們請問一下衛福部這邊
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transcript.whisperx[3613].text 有沒有跟行政院長報告
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transcript.whisperx[3614].text 石部長
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transcript.whisperx[3617].text 這個都是在7月1號
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transcript.whisperx[3618].text 我們已經
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transcript.whisperx[3619].text 不是啦 你就說有跟沒有就好了
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transcript.whisperx[3620].text 不要打飛水彈時間很寶貴
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transcript.whisperx[3621].text 我後面還沒做這個
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transcript.whisperx[3622].text 這個已經在7月1號以後都已經停工了
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transcript.whisperx[3623].text 所以這個脫交原由
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transcript.whisperx[3624].text 他也沒有去執照啦
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transcript.whisperx[3625].text 你有沒有跟行政院長報告這件事
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transcript.whisperx[3630].text 所以行政院長跟我們一樣
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transcript.whisperx[3631].text 是兩天前才知道的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3632].text 我們最後一定會報告的嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3633].text 這個日期有那麼難以啟齒嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3634].text 日期我要確認
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transcript.whisperx[3635].text 因為我經常在跟院長報告很多事情
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transcript.whisperx[3638].text 所以你就這麼不把你跟行政院長的會面上心嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3639].text 居然還要看你想不想得起來
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transcript.whisperx[3640].text 不能夠因為他沒有關心你眼睛中的血絲
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transcript.whisperx[3641].text 你就這樣子忽略院長啊
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transcript.whisperx[3642].text 我們有報告啊
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transcript.whisperx[3643].text 但是你一定要我幾月幾號
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transcript.whisperx[3644].text 反正你就是講不出來
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transcript.whisperx[3645].text 你不是我幾月幾號我就要想
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transcript.whisperx[3646].text 我知道你要想
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transcript.whisperx[3647].text 但你又說你有可能想不起來
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transcript.whisperx[3648].text 我想說長官跟長官見面
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transcript.whisperx[3649].text 我們都很珍惜這樣的機會
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transcript.whisperx[3650].text 結果你居然想不起來
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transcript.whisperx[3651].text 來經濟部長什麼時候跟行政院長報告的
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transcript.whisperx[3652].text 7月9號我們接獲台南公司
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transcript.whisperx[3653].text 通報他被高雄市政府預防性下架之後
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transcript.whisperx[3655].text 跟行政院長不要講那麼多
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transcript.whisperx[3656].text 因為我快要收尾了好不好
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transcript.whisperx[3657].text 我也不想到後面的人等很久
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transcript.whisperx[3658].text 我跟委員講的就是事實
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transcript.whisperx[3660].text 因為我還沒聽到行政院長這四個關鍵字
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transcript.whisperx[3664].text 不是啦你知情之後
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transcript.whisperx[3665].text 你有沒有跟行政院長報告這件事
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transcript.whisperx[3666].text 有還是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[3667].text 所以你們沒有跟行政院長報告嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3668].text 吳相石部長沒有跟行政院長報告嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3669].text 沒有嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3670].text 所以行政院長只是從梁部長去報告的
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transcript.whisperx[3672].text 台南公司會配合他這個
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transcript.whisperx[3673].text 除了專案跟地方專案的清查的一個作業
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transcript.whisperx[3675].text 第一是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[3676].text 那檢查的結果當然是我們
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transcript.whisperx[3677].text 中央主管機關或是地方主管機關都會知道
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transcript.whisperx[3678].text 不是啦我不是中央主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[3679].text 我在問行政院長
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transcript.whisperx[3680].text 他也是中央主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[3681].text 我在問院長知不知道這件事
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transcript.whisperx[3682].text 你們經濟部有沒有跟他報告
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transcript.whisperx[3683].text 畢竟台南是國營事業
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transcript.whisperx[3684].text 你們有沒有跟院長報告嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3685].text 這能難回答嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3686].text 跟委員說明台糖生產的產品
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transcript.whisperx[3687].text 譬如說大豆沙
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transcript.whisperx[3688].text 簡答題你們有沒有跟院長報告
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transcript.whisperx[3689].text 一句話經濟部有沒有跟
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transcript.whisperx[3690].text 需要依照食安法的規定
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transcript.whisperx[3691].text 你們有沒有跟行政院長報告
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transcript.whisperx[3692].text 這個就是台南公司的責任
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transcript.whisperx[3693].text 所以你們沒有跟行政院長報告嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3694].text 是嗎你們沒有跟行政院長報告是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3695].text 是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3696].text 是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3697].text 沒有報告嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3698].text 就是沒有報告是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3699].text 聽起來就是沒有報告是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3701].text 我也沒有參加過院長的會議
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transcript.whisperx[3702].text 所以我沒有跟院長報告
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transcript.whisperx[3703].text 你就講經濟部沒有報告就好啦
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transcript.whisperx[3704].text 不是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3705].text 好那經濟部沒有報告嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3706].text 是這樣嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3707].text 好OK
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transcript.whisperx[3708].text 好來請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[3709].text 來部長我請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[3710].text 這一批獨有1300公噸
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transcript.whisperx[3711].text 4月初或5月驗出
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transcript.whisperx[3712].text 7月初才封存
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transcript.whisperx[3713].text 請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[3714].text 你們在7月17公布這些
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transcript.whisperx[3715].text 4月到6月中聯所這個流出的這些
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transcript.whisperx[3716].text 有請問有公布批號嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3717].text 他在這些批號
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transcript.whisperx[3718].text 你們公布了30個批號
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transcript.whisperx[3719].text 在哪個批號之內
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transcript.whisperx[3720].text 他沒有做成實用油紙
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transcript.whisperx[3721].text 所以沒有批號
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transcript.whisperx[3722].text 不是出貨啊
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transcript.whisperx[3723].text 他不是出貨嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3724].text 他沒有出貨啊
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transcript.whisperx[3725].text 他沒有出貨
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transcript.whisperx[3726].text 他就在中聯裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3727].text 沒有出貨
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transcript.whisperx[3728].text 他還在槽裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3729].text 連金鏈都還沒有做啊
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transcript.whisperx[3730].text 所以他沒有批號啊
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transcript.whisperx[3731].text 所以今天台糖
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transcript.whisperx[3732].text 是去他的油槽取樣本
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transcript.whisperx[3733].text 他去油槽裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3734].text 把他封了之後取樣本
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transcript.whisperx[3735].text 然後驗了之後呢
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transcript.whisperx[3736].text 他超出他的這個驗收標準
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transcript.whisperx[3737].text 他就不驗收啦
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transcript.whisperx[3738].text 他不驗收啦
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transcript.whisperx[3739].text 但是台糖扎扎實實
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transcript.whisperx[3740].text 有所掌握14.7這個數字嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3741].text 那食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[3742].text 如果多於半成品的
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transcript.whisperx[3743].text 這個安全有違一律之虞
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transcript.whisperx[3744].text 他就要這個通報
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transcript.whisperx[3745].text 當地的主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[3746].text 顯然台糖他就是沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[3747].text 或雖然沒有到他這邊
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transcript.whisperx[3748].text 但是他已經是到處去了
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transcript.whisperx[3749].text 通報的義務是他有沒有超出我們的標準
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transcript.whisperx[3750].text 啊你們的標準
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transcript.whisperx[3751].text 啊法條就有之虞
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transcript.whisperx[3752].text 奇怪你們為什麼要超越法律呢
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transcript.whisperx[3753].text 你比法大法官還厲害耶
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transcript.whisperx[3754].text 你不只解釋法律
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transcript.whisperx[3755].text 你還超越法律
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transcript.whisperx[3756].text 食品安全衛生法第七條
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transcript.whisperx[3757].text 已經說有危害健康
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transcript.whisperx[3758].text 有危害衛生有危害安全之虞
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transcript.whisperx[3759].text 至於兩個字
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transcript.whisperx[3760].text 有那麼難讀懂嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3761].text 對耶
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transcript.whisperx[3762].text 你在一個炸豬排的工廠
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transcript.whisperx[3763].text 看到有塊生肉
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transcript.whisperx[3764].text 他有細緻的
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transcript.whisperx[3765].text 你不要跟我談豬排
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transcript.whisperx[3766].text 豬排根本完全不能夠類比
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transcript.whisperx[3767].text 如果你覺得你的阿東
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transcript.whisperx[3768].text 在這邊不適合被請出來
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transcript.whisperx[3769].text 你的豬排也不適合在這邊請出來
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transcript.whisperx[3770].text 那我現在跟這個部長講一句
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transcript.whisperx[3771].text 人民怒吼
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transcript.whisperx[3772].text 這是725的事情
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transcript.whisperx[3773].text 如果你們繼續荒腔走板
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transcript.whisperx[3774].text 可能不是人民怒吼
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transcript.whisperx[3775].text 我覺得可能就是人民包動了
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transcript.whisperx[3776].text 那部長我還是要跟你講
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transcript.whisperx[3777].text 我最後要做一個總結
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transcript.whisperx[3778].text 他們一直說
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transcript.whisperx[3779].text 七條第五項的產品
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transcript.whisperx[3780].text 不包括半成品
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transcript.whisperx[3781].text 所以呢半成品不是石油
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transcript.whisperx[3782].text 所以不需要根據第七條第五項來
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transcript.whisperx[3783].text 這個通報
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transcript.whisperx[3784].text 那現在呢
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transcript.whisperx[3785].text 其實不管是從文藝解釋
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transcript.whisperx[3786].text 目的性解釋
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transcript.whisperx[3787].text 體系解釋
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transcript.whisperx[3788].text 你們自己去看食安法
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transcript.whisperx[3789].text 食安法產品跟食品兩個字
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transcript.whisperx[3790].text 是完全混用的
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transcript.whisperx[3791].text 那所以呢
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transcript.whisperx[3792].text 請不要再拿
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transcript.whisperx[3793].text 七條第五項的產品
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transcript.whisperx[3794].text 不包括半成品來做擋箭牌
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transcript.whisperx[3795].text 擋不住之後
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transcript.whisperx[3796].text 請不要從之於兩個字上下提手
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transcript.whisperx[3797].text 之於兩個字代表的就是
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transcript.whisperx[3798].text 不用嚴格的標準
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transcript.whisperx[3799].text 所以不要在那邊提什麼
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transcript.whisperx[3800].text 本扁皮怎樣
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transcript.whisperx[3801].text 請不要用這個當擋箭牌
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transcript.whisperx[3802].text 跟遮羞布
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transcript.whisperx[3803].text 以上說明謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[3804].text 謝謝邱會議委員的諮詢
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transcript.whisperx[3805].text 接下來請邱政軍委員諮詢
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transcript.whisperx[3806].text 主席好
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transcript.whisperx[3807].text 我們請食部長
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transcript.whisperx[3808].text 邱會議員好
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transcript.whisperx[3809].text 部長好啊
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transcript.whisperx[3810].text 我想現在媒體
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transcript.whisperx[3811].text 爆料中這個
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transcript.whisperx[3812].text 檢調查中聯案的過程裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3813].text 在Code手機通訊內發現
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transcript.whisperx[3814].text 有員工在4月份的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3815].text 就已經回報大豆年年的
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transcript.whisperx[3816].text 怪怪的
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transcript.whisperx[3817].text 懷疑可以出貨嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3818].text 那這部分很明顯就是原料的問題
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transcript.whisperx[3819].text 你們是不是早就知道
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transcript.whisperx[3820].text 所以一直迴避
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transcript.whisperx[3821].text 其他遊場購買的數量
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transcript.whisperx[3822].text 是害怕牽連太廣嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3823].text 一直沒有公布完
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transcript.whisperx[3824].text 不會啊
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transcript.whisperx[3825].text 我們都有掌握他這個每一個頻道
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transcript.whisperx[3826].text 所以你們也調查完了對嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3827].text
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transcript.whisperx[3828].text 那手上也有完整資料嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3829].text
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transcript.whisperx[3830].text 那為什麼我要的數據到現在還不給我
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transcript.whisperx[3831].text 有我已經批了一定會給委員
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transcript.whisperx[3832].text 到現在還沒看到啊
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transcript.whisperx[3833].text 奇怪我已經看到說
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transcript.whisperx[3834].text 要供給委員的資料
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transcript.whisperx[3835].text 還是你們現在資料都有帶嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3836].text 不然你們先來寫一寫好不好
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transcript.whisperx[3837].text
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transcript.whisperx[3838].text 你待會就給我
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transcript.whisperx[3839].text 我們直通完就給我
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transcript.whisperx[3841].text 待會就給委員
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transcript.whisperx[3842].text 已經送過去了
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transcript.whisperx[3843].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[3844].text 你那個處理一下
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transcript.whisperx[3845].text 不然我再請教你啊
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transcript.whisperx[3846].text 你們放在官網上的新聞稿的內容
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transcript.whisperx[3847].text 真實度有多少
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transcript.whisperx[3848].text 你說是
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transcript.whisperx[3849].text 就是專家會議跟公協會的會議
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transcript.whisperx[3850].text 公協會跟
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transcript.whisperx[3851].text 是你指的是7月4號的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3852].text 對7月4號
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transcript.whisperx[3853].text 7月4號的我們下午
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transcript.whisperx[3854].text 有兩場嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3855].text 對啊
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transcript.whisperx[3856].text 我們就會來
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transcript.whisperx[3857].text 你不講是專家來講
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transcript.whisperx[3858].text 我沒有出場
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transcript.whisperx[3859].text 那署長呢你參加哪一場
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transcript.whisperx[3860].text 我兩場都有參加
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transcript.whisperx[3861].text 因為是我的
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transcript.whisperx[3862].text 行政院誰去啊
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transcript.whisperx[3863].text 拍誰去
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transcript.whisperx[3864].text 那去哪一場
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transcript.whisperx[3865].text 我是去專家的那一場
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transcript.whisperx[3866].text 專家的啊
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transcript.whisperx[3867].text 那兩場的主席是誰
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transcript.whisperx[3868].text 誰記錄
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transcript.whisperx[3869].text 主席是我
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transcript.whisperx[3870].text 然後兩場的
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transcript.whisperx[3871].text 兩場主席都是你
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transcript.whisperx[3872].text 對兩場主席是我
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transcript.whisperx[3873].text 那食安辦誰去啊
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transcript.whisperx[3874].text 你去是吧
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transcript.whisperx[3875].text 我對
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transcript.whisperx[3876].text 許甫去的是
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transcript.whisperx[3877].text 你們的新聞稿
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transcript.whisperx[3878].text 這個專家會議這一場
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transcript.whisperx[3879].text 就是兩個方向
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transcript.whisperx[3880].text 一個是釐清可能的污染原因
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transcript.whisperx[3881].text 還有未來怎麼在避免
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transcript.whisperx[3882].text 再發生管制的
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transcript.whisperx[3883].text 管理的機制嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3884].text 剛剛你們說的新聞稿內容
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transcript.whisperx[3885].text 都是真實的
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transcript.whisperx[3886].text 那就表示專家會議
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transcript.whisperx[3887].text 沒有討論20%的部分
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transcript.whisperx[3888].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[3889].text 有啊
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transcript.whisperx[3890].text 剛才都已經有做完整的說明了
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transcript.whisperx[3891].text 什麼時候
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transcript.whisperx[3892].text 分為兩個部分
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transcript.whisperx[3893].text 因為之前沒有特別的
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transcript.whisperx[3894].text 有機會跟大家公開
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transcript.whisperx[3895].text 因為今天也做了說明
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transcript.whisperx[3896].text 所以第一個是
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transcript.whisperx[3898].text 那個瞬間其實只有一批
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transcript.whisperx[3899].text 原因不清楚
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transcript.whisperx[3900].text 所以是你拍板嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3901].text 是專家拍板
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transcript.whisperx[3902].text 接下來呢是專家會議裡面的
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transcript.whisperx[3903].text 第二個議題是
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transcript.whisperx[3904].text 因為我們用
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transcript.whisperx[3906].text 2 ppb這麼嚴格的油脂的
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transcript.whisperx[3907].text 我們歐盟韓國都是
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transcript.whisperx[3908].text 所以韓國跟歐盟呢
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transcript.whisperx[3909].text 針對這個油品違規的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3910].text 也是下架到第一層
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transcript.whisperx[3911].text 針對第二層是否要下架
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transcript.whisperx[3912].text 判斷的基準
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transcript.whisperx[3913].text 其實跟我們面對的這個
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transcript.whisperx[3914].text 扁平皮8.1 ppb的標準是一致的
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transcript.whisperx[3915].text 所以底下的產品是什麼樣子
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transcript.whisperx[3916].text 所以才會出現20%
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transcript.whisperx[3917].text 所以那一場20%是
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transcript.whisperx[3918].text 是你們專家這一場還是
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transcript.whisperx[3920].text 針對這個內容
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transcript.whisperx[3921].text 做了非常完整的討論之後
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transcript.whisperx[3922].text 因為第一層下架之後
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transcript.whisperx[3923].text 有沒有可能會沒有涵蓋到
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transcript.whisperx[3925].text 所以大家開始在討論的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3926].text 許多專家提到的確在2 ppb裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3927].text 如果用的油脂的反應是
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transcript.whisperx[3928].text 超過20%
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transcript.whisperx[3929].text 市長主你
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transcript.whisperx[3930].text 你邀請了
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transcript.whisperx[3931].text 14個食品產業相關公會的這一場
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transcript.whisperx[3932].text 新聞稿說召開這場的會議
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transcript.whisperx[3933].text 是為了降低事件對消費者
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transcript.whisperx[3934].text 及下游業者的影響
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transcript.whisperx[3935].text 那你們邀請了14個食品產業公會
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transcript.whisperx[3936].text 對吧
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transcript.whisperx[3937].text 代表下游業者
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transcript.whisperx[3938].text 跟委員說報告一下這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[3939].text 是不是你不要講那麼複雜是不是
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transcript.whisperx[3941].text 相對都食品相關產業
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transcript.whisperx[3942].text 我們先對的油品事件裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3943].text 一定會對產業衝擊
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transcript.whisperx[3944].text 我們說明我們現在第一層下架
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transcript.whisperx[3945].text 以及剛才講20%可能會成為
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transcript.whisperx[3946].text 我們建議部的
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transcript.whisperx[3947].text 你先我不是要問你這個
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transcript.whisperx[3948].text 你不要亂講
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transcript.whisperx[3949].text 我現在問你你回答就好
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transcript.whisperx[3950].text 那代表下游業者請問代表消費者的是誰
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transcript.whisperx[3951].text 有嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3952].text
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transcript.whisperx[3953].text 我要把14個公協會確定一下
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transcript.whisperx[3954].text 這個公協會來嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3955].text 那這些都是
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transcript.whisperx[3956].text 這是食品公會啊
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transcript.whisperx[3957].text 對不對那代表消費者是誰
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transcript.whisperx[3958].text 有沒有
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transcript.whisperx[3959].text 我這邊要回去再確認一下
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transcript.whisperx[3960].text 可能消費者的溝通我們可能
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transcript.whisperx[3961].text 我來問你好了啦
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transcript.whisperx[3962].text 一個一個問啦
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transcript.whisperx[3963].text 這個台灣植物油漬電工業同業公會有去嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3964].text 我預想中是有的
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transcript.whisperx[3965].text 好勾起來喔
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transcript.whisperx[3966].text 那台灣烘培油紙工業同業公會有去嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3968].text 待會唸給委員們聽一下
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transcript.whisperx[3969].text 我講確定一下那個整個14個
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transcript.whisperx[3970].text 好啦我這邊勾一勾啦
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transcript.whisperx[3971].text 我這邊有資料
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transcript.whisperx[3972].text 請募拿過去再勾一下
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transcript.whisperx[3973].text 我繼續問啦他們勾他們的
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transcript.whisperx[3976].text 消費者又把它放一邊
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transcript.whisperx[3977].text 那這些公會他們是討論他們是
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transcript.whisperx[3978].text 讓業者的損失怎麼樣降到最低是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3979].text 不是這個
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transcript.whisperx[3980].text 還是把消費者當作白老鼠
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transcript.whisperx[3981].text 反正他們幾家14家去決定
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transcript.whisperx[3982].text 你有問過消費者嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3983].text 對對這是專家會議之後的來開的
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transcript.whisperx[3984].text 因為會對產業的衝擊他們必須
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transcript.whisperx[3985].text 要去做因應第一橫他要配合
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transcript.whisperx[3986].text 所以這個階段裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3987].text 如果當天會議室裡面只有業者代表
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transcript.whisperx[3990].text 到底平衡了誰的意見
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transcript.whisperx[3991].text 你拍板的啊那你平衡了誰的意見
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transcript.whisperx[3993].text 其實做了非常完整的科學上面的分析
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transcript.whisperx[3994].text 跟推論跟技術上面的一個討論
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transcript.whisperx[3995].text 確定這樣子對民眾的健康
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transcript.whisperx[3996].text 可以得到實質的保障
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transcript.whisperx[3997].text 這個工協會議討論的結論是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[3998].text 實質的工協會裡面我們只說
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transcript.whisperx[3999].text 我們對於低層下架對產業裡面可能的影響
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transcript.whisperx[4000].text 你們要回去因應去了解可能有品的使用
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transcript.whisperx[4001].text 會有遇到什麼問題需要大家能夠配合
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transcript.whisperx[4002].text 避免現在有違規的有品造成民眾
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transcript.whisperx[4003].text 持續加重他們的受傷
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transcript.whisperx[4004].text 所以我們就是提到了現在8.1PPP
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transcript.whisperx[4005].text 這一批的緣由我們確定在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[4006].text 是中年產生4月4號的這一批
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transcript.whisperx[4007].text 我先不講我現在就講說你這些業者
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transcript.whisperx[4008].text 去誰代表消費者
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transcript.whisperx[4009].text 有沒有嘛
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transcript.whisperx[4010].text 有沒有啦
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transcript.whisperx[4011].text 有沒有人代表消費者去開會
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transcript.whisperx[4012].text 我說業者同時都是每個都是消費者
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transcript.whisperx[4013].text 彼此之間都是
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transcript.whisperx[4016].text 我說每個人都是消費者
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transcript.whisperx[4017].text 我針對的是他們就是成員兼排班
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transcript.whisperx[4018].text 不是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4019].text 他們決定的事情可以做嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4021].text 就幾個幾個業者來決定說我們民眾的健康
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transcript.whisperx[4022].text 他們沒有決定
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transcript.whisperx[4023].text 這我們誤會了這沒有決定
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transcript.whisperx[4024].text 那你就要來開會
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transcript.whisperx[4025].text 這是另外一件事情
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transcript.whisperx[4026].text 你是開什麼去幫業者減少這個增加營收減少損失嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4027].text 跟委員補充
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transcript.whisperx[4028].text 那其實他這個會議是在專家會議之後
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transcript.whisperx[4033].text 來跟業者請他們回去配合
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transcript.whisperx[4034].text 這是要業者回去配合
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transcript.whisperx[4035].text 你們到底什麼時候知道中原油脂的311跟301脫膠油槽的出事情了
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transcript.whisperx[4036].text 你什麼時候知道的
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transcript.whisperx[4037].text 就是這個台糖沒有收的這個311油槽
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transcript.whisperx[4038].text 這個是在後面7月1號要求他停工
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transcript.whisperx[4039].text 然後後面的這個
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transcript.whisperx[4040].text 4月天就發現你們7月才知道
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transcript.whisperx[4043].text 因為6月30號中聯才通報我們
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transcript.whisperx[4045].text 7月17日調查小組的會前會就已經精準點名了
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transcript.whisperx[4046].text 指定要看這兩個油槽
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transcript.whisperx[4047].text 代表你們最慢在7月17號以前就一清二楚了
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transcript.whisperx[4049].text 為什麼7月27號食藥署大張旗鼓開記者會
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transcript.whisperx[4050].text 卻對台糖5月就驗出311油槽超標
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transcript.whisperx[4051].text 私下改收301油槽這件事情隻字未提
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transcript.whisperx[4052].text 那標槽報告為什麼刻意留在台糖這一段
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transcript.whisperx[4053].text 你們到底在幫誰遮醜
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transcript.whisperx[4054].text 跟委員報告一下
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transcript.whisperx[4055].text 我們針對現在在台糖的311油槽
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transcript.whisperx[4056].text 其實還1100多公噸其實都一直都在
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transcript.whisperx[4057].text 那這個跟我們現在食藥署在管食品的油品
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transcript.whisperx[4058].text 如果沒有台中地院的裁定
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transcript.whisperx[4059].text 這個機壓廠長報出台糖5月之前
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transcript.whisperx[4060].text 內湖部是不是打算把311油槽
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transcript.whisperx[4062].text 沒有 跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[4063].text 我們針對的是他已經完成製程的
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transcript.whisperx[4064].text 食用油比30批我們全部都查
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transcript.whisperx[4065].text 他這個不是 他這個是做到一半的脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[4067].text 食用署去查廠的時候就封了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4069].text 所以他就不能動了
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transcript.whisperx[4070].text 7月1號就已經全面停工
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transcript.whisperx[4071].text 所以他根本沒有在製造油
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transcript.whisperx[4072].text 對啦 油槽的裁減檢體的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4073].text 311油槽就已經先動過
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transcript.whisperx[4074].text 這個做過遷封了嘛 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[4075].text 那我想請教
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transcript.whisperx[4076].text 當你們食藥署真正趕到現場的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4077].text 這311油槽
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transcript.whisperx[4078].text 長什麼樣子 這個遷封還在不在
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transcript.whisperx[4079].text 這個跟委員報告都在那裡
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transcript.whisperx[4080].text 可以去看的
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transcript.whisperx[4081].text 有沒有當時搜證的照片
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transcript.whisperx[4082].text 那個油也沒有改變位置
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transcript.whisperx[4083].text 那個槽也沒改變位置
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transcript.whisperx[4084].text 那個蔡副總經理
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transcript.whisperx[4085].text 你有這個遷封的照片嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4086].text 遷封的照片我們在當初在驗收的時候有
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transcript.whisperx[4087].text 那你可以提供嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4088].text 沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[4089].text 為什麼你們在7月21號公布30匹油的檢驗結果
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transcript.whisperx[4090].text 還大言不慚的說
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transcript.whisperx[4091].text 全部查驗完畢
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transcript.whisperx[4092].text 而且還一直告訴大家可以上架
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transcript.whisperx[4093].text 那份清單裡面完全沒有提到311
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transcript.whisperx[4094].text 連301都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[4097].text 因為它就不是成品了
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transcript.whisperx[4098].text 它是做到一半的東西都已經停下來了
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transcript.whisperx[4100].text 那個是會要變成市場的食品
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transcript.whisperx[4101].text 你知道有問題為什麼不列進去
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transcript.whisperx[4102].text 因為它就不是食用油
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transcript.whisperx[4103].text 它不是食用油
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transcript.whisperx[4104].text 它可以做其他的用途
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transcript.whisperx[4105].text 它為什麼不列可以做什麼
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transcript.whisperx[4106].text 它可以做肥皂
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transcript.whisperx[4107].text 它可以做工業用油
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transcript.whisperx[4108].text 你這個油拿去是做什麼
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transcript.whisperx[4109].text 脫膠油拿去做什麼
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transcript.whisperx[4110].text 我說你們去買的油是做什麼用
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transcript.whisperx[4111].text 做沙拉油精煉
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transcript.whisperx[4112].text 精煉成沙拉油
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transcript.whisperx[4113].text 什麼叫做肥皂
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transcript.whisperx[4114].text 胡說八道
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transcript.whisperx[4115].text 它就沒有做
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transcript.whisperx[4116].text 它拉去明明就沒有要做這個
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transcript.whisperx[4117].text 它可以去做其他的
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transcript.whisperx[4118].text 你不要講這個東西
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transcript.whisperx[4119].text 你講的廢話
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transcript.whisperx[4120].text 它是做油的
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transcript.whisperx[4121].text 它當然就沒有做肥皂
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transcript.whisperx[4122].text 它怎麼會買油去做肥皂
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transcript.whisperx[4123].text 不是
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transcript.whisperx[4124].text 它們拿去就是要做沙拉油
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transcript.whisperx[4125].text 脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[4126].text 它有脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[4127].text 拿去就是要做沙拉油
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transcript.whisperx[4128].text 它們招標的時候也是說要做沙拉油
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transcript.whisperx[4129].text 就是食用油
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transcript.whisperx[4130].text 脫膠原油不是食用油
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transcript.whisperx[4131].text 那是原料
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transcript.whisperx[4132].text 它拿去就是要做這個
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transcript.whisperx[4133].text 它當然要塗這個
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transcript.whisperx[4134].text 不然它為什麼不拉
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transcript.whisperx[4135].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[4136].text 如果可以用它為什麼不拉
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transcript.whisperx[4137].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[4138].text 你們食藥署跟地方衛生局
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transcript.whisperx[4139].text 一直追查全部都是這個
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transcript.whisperx[4140].text 市面上的這個成品沙拉油
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transcript.whisperx[4141].text 但從現在漏洞看來
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transcript.whisperx[4142].text 市面上受害的規模
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transcript.whisperx[4143].text 自來油的實際數量
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transcript.whisperx[4144].text 根本遠超過你們對外公布的數字
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transcript.whisperx[4145].text 我真的完全不指
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transcript.whisperx[4146].text 是你們口中說的那樣子
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transcript.whisperx[4147].text 完全讓人家聽不懂也看不懂
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transcript.whisperx[4148].text 因為它沒有流出
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transcript.whisperx[4149].text 它還是留在那裡
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transcript.whisperx[4150].text 所以它沒有流出
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transcript.whisperx[4151].text 它沒有做成產品
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transcript.whisperx[4152].text 那個台糖那個菜父我再問你
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transcript.whisperx[4153].text 你因為台中地檢署裁定出這個揭露
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transcript.whisperx[4154].text 我們才知道台糖在5月11號
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transcript.whisperx[4155].text 派員到中聯311油槽取樣
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transcript.whisperx[4156].text 送這個檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[4157].text 後來15日報告本田比14.PPB
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transcript.whisperx[4158].text 標準才2PPB
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transcript.whisperx[4159].text 那超過7倍
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transcript.whisperx[4160].text 那台糖在5月18號
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transcript.whisperx[4161].text 正式通知福茂聚收
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transcript.whisperx[4162].text 那菜父總經理
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transcript.whisperx[4163].text 你5月15號報告出來
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transcript.whisperx[4164].text 台糖內部是誰決定
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transcript.whisperx[4165].text 把這份報告壓下來
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transcript.whisperx[4166].text 製作商業推貨
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transcript.whisperx[4167].text 我們報告不會壓下來
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transcript.whisperx[4168].text 那為什麼不通吧
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transcript.whisperx[4169].text 我們送驗之後
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transcript.whisperx[4170].text 它是超過我們招標的規範
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transcript.whisperx[4171].text 所以我們就聚收啦
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transcript.whisperx[4172].text 那你為什麼不通報咧
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transcript.whisperx[4173].text 經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[4174].text 這個連中聯都不需要通報啊
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transcript.whisperx[4175].text 來你先不要
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transcript.whisperx[4176].text 你繼續講
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transcript.whisperx[4177].text 那個連中聯都不需要通報
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transcript.whisperx[4178].text 因為它這個不是
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transcript.whisperx[4179].text 來來來來
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transcript.whisperx[4180].text 你回答一下
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transcript.whisperx[4181].text 有沒有要通報
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transcript.whisperx[4182].text 我先
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transcript.whisperx[4183].text 依照台中地方法院的這個新聞稿
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transcript.whisperx[4184].text 福茂他必須要有這個通報的責任
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transcript.whisperx[4185].text 連中聯
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transcript.whisperx[4186].text 那台糖咧
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transcript.whisperx[4187].text 因為台糖的話它基本上
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transcript.whisperx[4188].text 311油炒裡面的
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transcript.whisperx[4189].text 所謂的出油的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4190].text 始終沒有進入到台糖的生產
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transcript.whisperx[4191].text 經濟部啊
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transcript.whisperx[4192].text 就沒有與說
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transcript.whisperx[4193].text 經濟部定有
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transcript.whisperx[4194].text 災害及緊急事件通報程序
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transcript.whisperx[4195].text 裡面寫的很清楚啊
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transcript.whisperx[4196].text 凡是經濟部所屬的事業體發生
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transcript.whisperx[4197].text 只要滿足
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transcript.whisperx[4198].text 影響民生
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transcript.whisperx[4199].text 影響上下有產業工序
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transcript.whisperx[4200].text 影響事業形象
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transcript.whisperx[4201].text 或者可能引起媒體
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transcript.whisperx[4202].text 報導的任何一項都必須要
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transcript.whisperx[4203].text 啟動通報
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transcript.whisperx[4204].text 台糖是國營事業吧
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transcript.whisperx[4205].text 第一個台糖公司針對它生產的產品
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transcript.whisperx[4206].text 比如說大道殺油的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4207].text 無論是在它製程的過程裡面
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transcript.whisperx[4208].text 它自主的檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[4209].text 它已經影響
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transcript.whisperx[4210].text 它要去收的油
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transcript.whisperx[4211].text 已經影響上下有產業工序
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transcript.whisperx[4212].text 怎麼會沒有影響呢
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transcript.whisperx[4213].text 第二個部分你剛剛講的是
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transcript.whisperx[4214].text 我們是依照這個災防法的一個規定
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transcript.whisperx[4215].text 去訂定相關的這個
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transcript.whisperx[4216].text 所謂的作業規則
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transcript.whisperx[4217].text 這個是依照災害防救法
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transcript.whisperx[4218].text 現在是全台最大油著上游
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transcript.whisperx[4219].text 中年的油潮驗出致癌物超過7倍
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transcript.whisperx[4220].text 這沒有影響民生嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4221].text 這不嚴重嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4222].text 在做審理之中
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transcript.whisperx[4223].text 而台中地檢署它也多次的表達
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transcript.whisperx[4224].text 我現在為你經濟部的規定
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transcript.whisperx[4225].text 沒有,我們是災防法的規定
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transcript.whisperx[4226].text 你講到台中去幹嘛
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transcript.whisperx[4227].text 這個是食品安全
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transcript.whisperx[4228].text 這也一樣啊,這沒有影響嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4229].text 這沒有影響民生嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4230].text 這沒有影響上下有產業工序嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4231].text 今天比如說是像
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transcript.whisperx[4232].text 所謂的漏水啦
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transcript.whisperx[4233].text 或是有一些可能影響我們民眾用水的安全
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transcript.whisperx[4235].text 它會通報啊
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transcript.whisperx[4236].text 依照這個規定
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transcript.whisperx[4237].text 我現在問的是台糖耶
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transcript.whisperx[4238].text 台糖不是你國營事業
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transcript.whisperx[4239].text 台糖當然是國營事業
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transcript.whisperx[4240].text 國營事業只要負責有關於西埃的事業體發生事件
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transcript.whisperx[4241].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[4242].text 有關於西埃的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4243].text 它透過災害防救法集中
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transcript.whisperx[4244].text 決定不要通報
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transcript.whisperx[4245].text 現在就勇敢回答啦
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transcript.whisperx[4246].text 從年頭到人民吃下肚子以前
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transcript.whisperx[4247].text 上千項產品都被影響了
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transcript.whisperx[4248].text 怎麼會沒影響呢
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transcript.whisperx[4249].text 有沒有影響上下有產業工序
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transcript.whisperx[4250].text 會不會影響人民健康
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transcript.whisperx[4251].text 沒有影響台糖形象嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4253].text 這幾天啊,你們都是媒體追逐的焦點
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transcript.whisperx[4254].text 法院也判決說
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transcript.whisperx[4255].text 這事項指標完全滿足
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transcript.whisperx[4258].text 自己的災害通報
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transcript.whisperx[4259].text 這個程序,瞞了兩個月
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transcript.whisperx[4260].text 經濟部到現在還沒有懲處耶
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transcript.whisperx[4261].text 竟然還連續發文幫忙
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transcript.whisperx[4262].text 大喜地說大讚台糖是
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transcript.whisperx[4263].text 這個好寶寶
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transcript.whisperx[4264].text 好厲害,很棒棒
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transcript.whisperx[4265].text 是這樣嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4267].text 都有定期的實地查核
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transcript.whisperx[4268].text 然後年終有一個查核的
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transcript.whisperx[4269].text 這個工作
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transcript.whisperx[4270].text 所以基本上我們對國營事業
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transcript.whisperx[4271].text 基本上都導的一個
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transcript.whisperx[4272].text 高檢署檢察官都已經講了啦
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transcript.whisperx[4273].text 通報是一律啦
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transcript.whisperx[4274].text 所以你們不要再拗
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transcript.whisperx[4275].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[4276].text 通報的責任啊
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transcript.whisperx[4277].text 本來就應該要通報啊
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transcript.whisperx[4278].text 你放在那邊
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transcript.whisperx[4279].text 你已經驗到有這個東西,你不往上通報
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transcript.whisperx[4280].text 可是他今天這個材料
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transcript.whisperx[4281].text 當然台糖不是
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transcript.whisperx[4282].text 台糖的錯不是很大
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transcript.whisperx[4283].text 沒有錯
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transcript.whisperx[4284].text 最後如果錯還是這個中聯
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transcript.whisperx[4285].text 台糖應該要
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transcript.whisperx[4286].text 你應該要扮起
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transcript.whisperx[4287].text 扮起一個
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transcript.whisperx[4288].text 這個業者的一個
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transcript.whisperx[4289].text 基本的一個
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transcript.whisperx[4290].text 太突兀了
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transcript.whisperx[4291].text 這個材料沒有進入到台糖的這個制程裡面
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transcript.whisperx[4292].text 之前他可以販售到
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transcript.whisperx[4293].text 比如說工業的添加劑
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transcript.whisperx[4294].text 包括潤滑油包括肥皂
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transcript.whisperx[4295].text 所以中聯公司他可以賣去做
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transcript.whisperx[4296].text 最後我再問你啊
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transcript.whisperx[4297].text 但是回到食品安全的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4298].text 台糖公司依照依照
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transcript.whisperx[4299].text 你們的標案
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transcript.whisperx[4300].text 今年台糖在5月13日公告的
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transcript.whisperx[4301].text CO115黃豆
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transcript.whisperx[4302].text 出油採購案
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transcript.whisperx[4303].text 那5月13日公告當時
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transcript.whisperx[4304].text 台糖確實還沒有拿到那超標的7倍報告
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transcript.whisperx[4305].text 但是台糖在5月15日已經收到檢驗結果
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transcript.whisperx[4306].text 那確認中聯
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transcript.whisperx[4307].text 311油槽的
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transcript.whisperx[4308].text 獨有本年比的
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transcript.whisperx[4309].text 高達14.7ppm
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transcript.whisperx[4310].text 超標過
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transcript.whisperx[4311].text 這個超過7倍
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transcript.whisperx[4312].text 那在5月18號通知據說
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transcript.whisperx[4313].text 那這個CO115標案的投標截止日是
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transcript.whisperx[4314].text 5月25日
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transcript.whisperx[4315].text 從5月15到25號
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transcript.whisperx[4316].text 25號有10天
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transcript.whisperx[4317].text 那中聯油紙是國內大型油紙的上游
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transcript.whisperx[4318].text 那福茂更是與此標案有高度的相關的供應商
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transcript.whisperx[4319].text 那台糖在辦理這個優關民生十三重大的採購案期間
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transcript.whisperx[4320].text 已經驗出了這個上游供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[4321].text 這個製程失控
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transcript.whisperx[4322].text 獨數超標7倍的致命訊號
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transcript.whisperx[4323].text 整整10天喔
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transcript.whisperx[4324].text 那台糖為什麼沒有暫停這個資格審查
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transcript.whisperx[4325].text 所有的這個資格審查的部分是發生在這個更早之前
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transcript.whisperx[4327].text 它不需要提供到台糖的
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transcript.whisperx[4328].text 那你有沒有把這項重大供應風險納入審查這個項目
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transcript.whisperx[4331].text 還有很多的一個標準
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transcript.whisperx[4332].text 比如說是點啊
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transcript.whisperx[4333].text 它現在是這個標準
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transcript.whisperx[4334].text 它這家有公司
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transcript.whisperx[4335].text 你們還繼續讓它做嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4336].text 你還繼續讓它做嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4337].text 透過中央跟地方角合作的話
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transcript.whisperx[4339].text 所謂的所謂的有品的這個提供的這個廠商
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transcript.whisperx[4340].text 在地方的政府可以加強的稽查之下的話
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transcript.whisperx[4341].text 事實上它這個不合格的這個產品
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transcript.whisperx[4342].text 產生的這個機率就會大幅的降低了
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transcript.whisperx[4343].text 那CO015全部申請投標的廠商有哪些
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transcript.whisperx[4344].text 審查合格的有哪些
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transcript.whisperx[4345].text 你再提供給我
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transcript.whisperx[4346].text 有九家廠商
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transcript.whisperx[4347].text 好那你把這個得標的資格我們看一下
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transcript.whisperx[4348].text 那過去福壽跟泰山這個得標
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transcript.whisperx[4349].text 跟這次福茂一樣得標
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transcript.whisperx[4350].text 你們都是去中聯去拉貨嘛
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transcript.whisperx[4351].text 拉油嘛對不對
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transcript.whisperx[4352].text 一年買幾個億幾個億的買
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transcript.whisperx[4353].text 那現在這一家出問題了
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transcript.whisperx[4354].text 你們沒有替代方案嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4355].text 還要繼續在那邊買嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4356].text 有問題的
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transcript.whisperx[4357].text 材料
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transcript.whisperx[4358].text 不符合營收標準
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transcript.whisperx[4359].text 台糖不會進入到炭熱廠區
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transcript.whisperx[4360].text 有沒有依政府採購法
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transcript.whisperx[4361].text 一律一條來審理
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transcript.whisperx[4362].text 將福茂提報為不良廠商
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transcript.whisperx[4363].text 有嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4364].text 這個採購的這個部分請
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transcript.whisperx[4365].text 這個台糖公司會依照法的規定來辦理
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transcript.whisperx[4366].text 我們會再研究
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transcript.whisperx[4367].text 你現在還沒有決定就對了
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transcript.whisperx[4368].text 那如果繼續買呢
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transcript.whisperx[4369].text 因為
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transcript.whisperx[4370].text 所有的為合乎資格的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4371].text 我們不提領
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transcript.whisperx[4372].text 但是他提供的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4373].text 合乎我們契約的營收標準
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transcript.whisperx[4374].text 那這個台糖公司會收
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transcript.whisperx[4375].text 我覺得你們要列入考量啦
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transcript.whisperx[4376].text 這些有問題的業者
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transcript.whisperx[4377].text 你們在資格審查的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4378].text 一定要做一個區隔
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transcript.whisperx[4379].text 好不好再做嚴格的審查可以嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4380].text 好謝謝委員指導
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transcript.whisperx[4381].text 好謝謝委員
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transcript.whisperx[4382].text 好謝謝邱政經委員
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transcript.whisperx[4383].text 那這邊宣告一下
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transcript.whisperx[4384].text 待會在劉建國委員
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transcript.whisperx[4385].text 巡達完畢休息30分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[4386].text 用餐
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transcript.whisperx[4387].text 休息以後我們繼續來開會
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transcript.whisperx[4388].text 那我們請下一位
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transcript.whisperx[4389].text 我們黃秀芳委員
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transcript.whisperx[4390].text 謝謝主席我們先請部長
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transcript.whisperx[4391].text 好請司部長
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transcript.whisperx[4392].text 黃秀芳委員好
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transcript.whisperx[4393].text 部長從上午到現在
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transcript.whisperx[4394].text 其實我也覺得你解釋的很辛苦
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transcript.whisperx[4395].text 那我也希望就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4396].text 這個民眾的疑慮
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transcript.whisperx[4397].text 能夠一次講清楚
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transcript.whisperx[4398].text 那今天早上提出來的
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transcript.whisperx[4399].text 這個臨時提案該公佈的
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transcript.whisperx[4400].text 你就是要完整的公佈
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transcript.whisperx[4401].text 這個是應該就是第一次
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transcript.whisperx[4402].text 讓所有的民眾能夠看得很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[4403].text 到底是中央政府蓋牌
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transcript.whisperx[4404].text 或者是地方政府蓋牌
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transcript.whisperx[4405].text 那我
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transcript.whisperx[4406].text 接下來我想請教
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transcript.whisperx[4407].text 因為針對今天很多委員
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transcript.whisperx[4408].text 一直在關心就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4409].text 台糖沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[4410].text 那我想請教就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4411].text 如果按照這樣的邏輯
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transcript.whisperx[4412].text 如果台糖今天真的有通報
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transcript.whisperx[4413].text 如果台糖今天真的有通報
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transcript.whisperx[4414].text 高雄市政府
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transcript.whisperx[4415].text 那高雄市政府也通報
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transcript.whisperx[4416].text 台中市政府
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transcript.whisperx[4417].text 那台中市政府它可以去扣這一批原油嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4418].text 就是去扣這一批的
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transcript.whisperx[4419].text 脫焦原油
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transcript.whisperx[4420].text 它不會扣因為它接下來還有製程
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transcript.whisperx[4421].text 所以它要從最終去驗它
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transcript.whisperx[4422].text 如果它最終產出來的
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transcript.whisperx[4423].text 食用油脂驗出來超標
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transcript.whisperx[4424].text 那當然就不可以
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transcript.whisperx[4425].text 所以就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4426].text 我們目前也沒有定
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transcript.whisperx[4428].text 就是說黃豆
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transcript.whisperx[4429].text 它是從黃豆來
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transcript.whisperx[4430].text 黃豆然後去壓榨出來的
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transcript.whisperx[4431].text 第一層的油是脫焦原油
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transcript.whisperx[4432].text 所以黃豆我們也沒有定本便比標準
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transcript.whisperx[4433].text 脫焦原油也沒有本便比標準
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transcript.whisperx[4436].text 所以在我們目前的食安法當中
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transcript.whisperx[4437].text 以台糖為例的話
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transcript.whisperx[4438].text 它有義務要通報嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4439].text 如果以目前食安法
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transcript.whisperx[4440].text 如果以目前食安法
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transcript.whisperx[4441].text 如果以目前食安法
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transcript.whisperx[4442].text 如果以目前食安法
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transcript.whisperx[4444].text 如果以目前食安法
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transcript.whisperx[4445].text 如果以目前食安法
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transcript.whisperx[4446].text 通報的義務是來自於我們對標準的訂定
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transcript.whisperx[4447].text 通報的義務是來自於我們對標準的訂定
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transcript.whisperx[4448].text 所以有一些如果是不得減出的
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transcript.whisperx[4449].text 所以有一些如果是不得減出的
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transcript.whisperx[4450].text 不得添加的就有
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transcript.whisperx[4451].text 那如果有訂標準的
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transcript.whisperx[4452].text 那當然是針對超過標準的品項的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4453].text 那當然是針對超過標準的品項的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4454].text 它就要通報
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transcript.whisperx[4455].text 所以換言之它今天所拿的是脫焦原油
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transcript.whisperx[4456].text 它今天所拿的是脫焦原油
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transcript.whisperx[4457].text 那脫焦原油主管機關並沒有訂出
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transcript.whisperx[4458].text 貶平比的標準
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transcript.whisperx[4459].text 它只是它採購的標準
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transcript.whisperx[4460].text 它自己訂的一個採購標準
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transcript.whisperx[4461].text 所以這個是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[4462].text 在食安法裡面是沒有強制通報的義務的
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transcript.whisperx[4463].text 所以這是一個不得減出的品項的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4464].text 那如果說未來我們修食安法
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transcript.whisperx[4466].text 未來修食安法將這個原本的這個
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transcript.whisperx[4467].text 將這個原本的這個
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transcript.whisperx[4468].text 可能脫焦原油也制定這樣的一個標準
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transcript.whisperx[4470].text 你覺得可行嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4471].text 這個會造成實務上很大的困難
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transcript.whisperx[4472].text 因為如果今天我們在脫焦原油的這個階段
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transcript.whisperx[4473].text 因為如果今天我們在脫焦原油的這個階段
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transcript.whisperx[4474].text 驗到的是2.4ppb
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transcript.whisperx[4475].text 可是根據它後面的
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transcript.whisperx[4476].text 脫酸脫色脫臭
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transcript.whisperx[4477].text 它是可以降低80%的
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transcript.whisperx[4478].text 它是可以降低80%的
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transcript.whisperx[4479].text 這個這個扁ppb標準
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transcript.whisperx[4480].text 結果就會造成
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transcript.whisperx[4481].text 它一旦驗出脫焦原油2.4
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transcript.whisperx[4482].text 它一旦驗出脫焦原油2.4
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transcript.whisperx[4483].text 它就全部停下來
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transcript.whisperx[4484].text 這個就不能用
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transcript.whisperx[4485].text 那這個對於我們這個油的產量
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transcript.whisperx[4486].text 會有很大的問題
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transcript.whisperx[4487].text 我們的油的產量都是靠進口
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transcript.whisperx[4488].text 那個黃豆
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transcript.whisperx[4489].text 進來煉油的
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transcript.whisperx[4490].text 那這個會大幅的
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transcript.whisperx[4491].text 這個對食物也是一種浪費
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transcript.whisperx[4492].text 說實在話
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transcript.whisperx[4493].text 所以我們是從製程當中
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transcript.whisperx[4494].text 去掌控
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transcript.whisperx[4495].text 因為它不是外來添加
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transcript.whisperx[4496].text 它是一個有機物
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transcript.whisperx[4497].text 在這個製造的過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[4498].text 黃豆的本身會產生
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transcript.whisperx[4499].text 製造的過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[4500].text 因為溫度的變化它會產生
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transcript.whisperx[4501].text 所以你要在製程上去把它控制好
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transcript.whisperx[4502].text 那就可以達到
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transcript.whisperx[4503].text 我們這個符合安全標準的食品
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transcript.whisperx[4504].text 好那我是希望就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4505].text 其實這麼多委員在關心
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transcript.whisperx[4506].text 就是說食用油的這個安全
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transcript.whisperx[4507].text 當然未來我們也希望就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4508].text 這個修食安法
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transcript.whisperx[4509].text 那民眾擔心的
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transcript.whisperx[4510].text 或者是委員希望在加嚴的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4511].text 當然這個我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[4512].text 這個都可以討論
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transcript.whisperx[4513].text 即使就是說未來這個脫焦原油
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transcript.whisperx[4514].text 它是做成食用油的話
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transcript.whisperx[4515].text 其實我覺得在這上面
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transcript.whisperx[4516].text 其實我覺得也可以做一些規範
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transcript.whisperx[4517].text 那當然
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transcript.whisperx[4518].text 我一直覺得說
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transcript.whisperx[4519].text 如果今天地方政府能夠
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transcript.whisperx[4520].text 這個多用點心
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transcript.whisperx[4521].text 不是八年才驗一次
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transcript.whisperx[4522].text 也許它半年就去驗一次
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transcript.whisperx[4523].text 茶場也好
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transcript.whisperx[4524].text 或者是抽檢也好
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transcript.whisperx[4525].text 抽驗也好
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transcript.whisperx[4526].text 就不會有造成今天的
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transcript.whisperx[4527].text 這樣的一個狀況
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transcript.whisperx[4528].text 所以我也希望就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4529].text 未來我們如果再有
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transcript.whisperx[4530].text 就是我們未來要修這個食安法
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transcript.whisperx[4531].text 中央政府跟地方政府的權責
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transcript.whisperx[4532].text 我覺得應該就是要
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transcript.whisperx[4533].text 很明確的把它制定下來
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transcript.whisperx[4534].text 如果今天我們修食安法
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transcript.whisperx[4535].text 我們把這個法這個修得很嚴
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transcript.whisperx[4536].text 好 那地方政府
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transcript.whisperx[4537].text 它也是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[4539].text 那如果類似這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[4540].text 狀況的話 其實未來
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transcript.whisperx[4541].text 如果這個食用油再出問題
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transcript.whisperx[4542].text 我覺得這個沒有什麼好意外的
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transcript.whisperx[4543].text 如果地方政府它也不用心
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transcript.whisperx[4544].text 然後對於這個抽驗
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transcript.whisperx[4545].text 茶場多用點心的話
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transcript.whisperx[4546].text 多用點心的話
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transcript.whisperx[4547].text 其實我覺得你這個修法修得再嚴
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transcript.whisperx[4548].text 那地方政府它也不作為的話
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transcript.whisperx[4549].text 其實我覺得這種
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transcript.whisperx[4550].text 事情還是會發生
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transcript.whisperx[4551].text 所以我希望就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4552].text 我也相信
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transcript.whisperx[4553].text 所有的民眾不希望就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4554].text 中央跟地方大家好像互提皮球
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transcript.whisperx[4555].text 會覺得說這個是誰的責任
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transcript.whisperx[4556].text 當然食品出現問題
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transcript.whisperx[4557].text 是中央跟地方都有責任
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transcript.whisperx[4558].text 那怎麼樣再讓
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transcript.whisperx[4559].text 這種事情以後不要再發生
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transcript.whisperx[4560].text 我覺得這個是最重要的
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transcript.whisperx[4561].text 當然就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4562].text 大家一直想說
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transcript.whisperx[4563].text 要追根究底查明原因
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transcript.whisperx[4564].text 我也覺得應該要查明原因
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transcript.whisperx[4565].text 到底是哪一個環節出錯
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transcript.whisperx[4566].text 那未來制定法律之後
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transcript.whisperx[4567].text 或者是加嚴之後
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transcript.whisperx[4568].text 是不是真的可以杜絕
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transcript.whisperx[4569].text 這樣的事情再次的發生
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transcript.whisperx[4570].text 所以我希望就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4571].text 部長針對今天所有的委員
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transcript.whisperx[4573].text 大家都很關心
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transcript.whisperx[4574].text 那我覺得一點就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4575].text 大家一直在追究
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transcript.whisperx[4576].text 可能是中央部會
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transcript.whisperx[4577].text 可能是衛福部食藥署的責任
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transcript.whisperx[4578].text 大家也很少去提
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transcript.whisperx[4579].text 那為什麼地方政府
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transcript.whisperx[4580].text 這個也是你的責任
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transcript.whisperx[4581].text 那為什麼大家也不會去講一下說
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transcript.whisperx[4583].text 甚至有的根本都沒有驗
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transcript.whisperx[4584].text 所以我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[4586].text 大家都有責任
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transcript.whisperx[4587].text 那未來要怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[4588].text 讓這種事情不要再發生
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transcript.whisperx[4589].text 另外就是說通報的責任
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transcript.whisperx[4590].text 如果今天以台糖的話
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transcript.whisperx[4591].text 其實他是沒有通報的
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transcript.whisperx[4592].text 這個義務啦
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transcript.whisperx[4593].text 那當然台糖他
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transcript.whisperx[4594].text 本於這個企業的責任
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transcript.whisperx[4595].text 如果今天
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transcript.whisperx[4596].text 如果我們的這個
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transcript.whisperx[4597].text 食安法修完之後
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transcript.whisperx[4598].text 那也許會對於買方
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transcript.whisperx[4599].text 如果像台糖的話
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transcript.whisperx[4600].text 你有查驗
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transcript.whisperx[4601].text 查到這個脫交原有
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transcript.whisperx[4602].text 超乎你們自己本身的標準
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transcript.whisperx[4603].text 那未來是不是也要
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transcript.whisperx[4604].text 請台糖這邊也要通報
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transcript.whisperx[4605].text 不只是台糖其他的
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transcript.whisperx[4606].text 食品廠也要通報
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transcript.whisperx[4607].text 是不是朝著這個方向去進行
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transcript.whisperx[4608].text 跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[4609].text 當然在全民一起監督
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transcript.whisperx[4610].text 食安的這個精神之下
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transcript.whisperx[4611].text 我們都鼓勵不論是
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transcript.whisperx[4612].text 消費者不論是任何一個
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transcript.whisperx[4613].text 城市的業者有什麼
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transcript.whisperx[4614].text 發現異常都可以來通報
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transcript.whisperx[4615].text 這個是沒有問題都跟地方
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transcript.whisperx[4616].text 主管機關去通報
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transcript.whisperx[4617].text 讓他有預警早一點去介入是可以的
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transcript.whisperx[4619].text 要去裁罰就是
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transcript.whisperx[4620].text 強制通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[4621].text 要去裁罰的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4622].text 那我們也必須依法有據
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transcript.whisperx[4624].text 他要來通報不是不行
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transcript.whisperx[4625].text 他可以通報
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transcript.whisperx[4627].text 你是不是因為沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[4628].text 要去處罰他
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transcript.whisperx[4629].text 那我們就必須回到法規面
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transcript.whisperx[4631].text 法規沒有規定他一定要通報
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transcript.whisperx[4632].text 但是為食安大家
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transcript.whisperx[4634].text 大家來通報這個是我們
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transcript.whisperx[4635].text 支持的方向
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transcript.whisperx[4636].text 我剛剛一直在講
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transcript.whisperx[4637].text 如果地方政府他有
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transcript.whisperx[4638].text 積極落實稽查或抽菸
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transcript.whisperx[4639].text 就是讓業者不會
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transcript.whisperx[4640].text 有心存僥倖
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transcript.whisperx[4641].text 這個我看到
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transcript.whisperx[4642].text 就是說地方政府最近
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transcript.whisperx[4643].text 可能就有的罰300
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transcript.whisperx[4644].text 罰300萬
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transcript.whisperx[4645].text 像這樣子的話事後的裁罰
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transcript.whisperx[4646].text 很多就是對罰個300萬
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transcript.whisperx[4647].text 其實對一個食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[4648].text 或者是對於這個
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transcript.whisperx[4649].text 自由的這個像中聯有指的話
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transcript.whisperx[4650].text 其實對他們來講是不痛不癢
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transcript.whisperx[4651].text 那很
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transcript.whisperx[4652].text 就是隨著這個
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transcript.whisperx[4653].text 案件的發展就是我們看到
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transcript.whisperx[4654].text 就是說一罪一罪
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transcript.whisperx[4655].text 不二罰的這樣的一個情況
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transcript.whisperx[4656].text 到最後有可能
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transcript.whisperx[4657].text 就只有罰一樣
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transcript.whisperx[4658].text 可能很多民眾會覺得
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transcript.whisperx[4659].text 對於這個食用有的
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transcript.whisperx[4660].text 這個安全如果到最後是
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transcript.whisperx[4661].text 輕輕放下的話其實很多人
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transcript.whisperx[4662].text 可能會沒辦法接受
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transcript.whisperx[4663].text 因為只有一罪不兩罰
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transcript.whisperx[4664].text 像類似這樣的一個狀況
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transcript.whisperx[4665].text 所以我覺得說未來這個
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transcript.whisperx[4666].text 這個食安法的這個修法
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transcript.whisperx[4667].text 其實我覺得應該也是
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transcript.whisperx[4668].text 我們未來在我們衛環委員會
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transcript.whisperx[4669].text 本身就要去做的事情
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transcript.whisperx[4670].text 如果今天再次的
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transcript.whisperx[4671].text 當然要釐清責任這個沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[4672].text 釐清原因
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transcript.whisperx[4673].text 釐清責任我覺得這個
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transcript.whisperx[4674].text 都沒有問題可是最重要
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transcript.whisperx[4675].text 就是我們最終還是要把這部法
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transcript.whisperx[4676].text 再修的更嚴謹一點
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transcript.whisperx[4677].text 如果按照目前的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[4678].text 來看那台糖
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transcript.whisperx[4679].text 他根本就沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[4680].text 的這個義務跟責任
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transcript.whisperx[4681].text 如果以法來講
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transcript.whisperx[4682].text 是這樣子嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4683].text 目前的法是這樣所以如果
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transcript.whisperx[4684].text 大家覺得
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transcript.whisperx[4685].text 要再擴大這個通報
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transcript.whisperx[4686].text 的義務更嚴格
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transcript.whisperx[4687].text 的通報義務這個其實可以
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transcript.whisperx[4688].text 在後續修法的時候大家討論
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transcript.whisperx[4689].text 好那我也希望就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4690].text 在衛環委員會
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transcript.whisperx[4691].text 所有的委員應該就是
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transcript.whisperx[4692].text 就事論事然後就整個
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transcript.whisperx[4693].text 這個目前的這個狀況
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transcript.whisperx[4694].text 應該儘速來修法
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transcript.whisperx[4695].text 既然從七月
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transcript.whisperx[4696].text 我記得我第一次質詢的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4697].text 是在七月好像是
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transcript.whisperx[4698].text 七月三號還是四號
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transcript.whisperx[4699].text 那時候剛發生的時候我就在
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transcript.whisperx[4700].text 這個質詢台上面就有問過
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transcript.whisperx[4701].text 部長那到現在
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transcript.whisperx[4702].text 也將近一個月的時間
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transcript.whisperx[4703].text 我也相信就是說這個
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transcript.whisperx[4704].text 衛福部或食藥署那相關的
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transcript.whisperx[4705].text 部會大家也很積極
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transcript.whisperx[4706].text 就是希望能夠把這個事情趕快
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transcript.whisperx[4707].text 釐清清楚那我
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transcript.whisperx[4708].text 也不希望就是說這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[4709].text 一直延燒下去
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transcript.whisperx[4711].text 的其實我在地方跑
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transcript.whisperx[4712].text 其實他們會覺得把
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transcript.whisperx[4713].text 事情釐清把責任釐清
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transcript.whisperx[4714].text 之後那未來不要再有
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transcript.whisperx[4715].text 這樣的一個事情發生其實這個
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transcript.whisperx[4716].text 發生的時候我你
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transcript.whisperx[4717].text 部長你知道就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4718].text 不僅是消費者
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transcript.whisperx[4719].text 還有一些我們的
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transcript.whisperx[4720].text 製造食品的這個加工業者
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transcript.whisperx[4721].text 其實影響也都非常的大
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transcript.whisperx[4722].text 所以我們希望
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transcript.whisperx[4723].text 就是未來不要再有類似
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transcript.whisperx[4724].text 的狀況發生
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transcript.whisperx[4725].text 那這件事情我們希望
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transcript.whisperx[4727].text 中央政府大家都有責任
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transcript.whisperx[4728].text 也不要再去追究說
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transcript.whisperx[4729].text 誰的責任大誰的責任小
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transcript.whisperx[4730].text 不需要那目前就是我們
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transcript.whisperx[4731].text 在立法院的衛環委員會
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transcript.whisperx[4732].text 我們更重要的是應該把這個
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transcript.whisperx[4733].text 這個食安法的這部法
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transcript.whisperx[4734].text 修得更嚴謹一點
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transcript.whisperx[4735].text 那未來像類似
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transcript.whisperx[4736].text 台糖的這樣的一個狀況
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transcript.whisperx[4738].text 那如果以這樣的話
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transcript.whisperx[4739].text 你他他的那個
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transcript.whisperx[4740].text 油他要跟中聯油紙
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transcript.whisperx[4741].text 買油這個油都還沒有進到
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transcript.whisperx[4742].text 這個台糖他只是
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transcript.whisperx[4743].text 還在中聯油紙的這個場區
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transcript.whisperx[4744].text 他也沒有買然後也沒有進到
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transcript.whisperx[4745].text 台糖的這樣的一個場區
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transcript.whisperx[4746].text 那類似的狀況他有通報
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transcript.whisperx[4747].text 的義務嗎如果今天
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transcript.whisperx[4748].text 有通報的義務那我們未來在這個
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transcript.whisperx[4749].text 食安法上面是不是也要去
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transcript.whisperx[4750].text 修那另外就是說如果
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transcript.whisperx[4752].text 他去通報那這樣
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transcript.whisperx[4753].text 算是檢舉嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4755].text 的樣態啦
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transcript.whisperx[4756].text 所以我們希望這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[4757].text 儘速
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transcript.whisperx[4758].text 清清完之後趕快
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transcript.whisperx[4759].text 讓這個
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transcript.whisperx[4760].text 食安法修法更嚴謹
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transcript.whisperx[4761].text 然後讓未來我們不論是
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transcript.whisperx[4762].text 食用油也好或者是
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transcript.whisperx[4763].text 我們吃到的跟這個油品
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transcript.whisperx[4764].text 相關或所有的食品都是
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transcript.whisperx[4765].text 安全的其實我一直在
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transcript.whisperx[4766].text 跟部長提到就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4767].text 民眾最關心的我
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transcript.whisperx[4768].text 現在在貨架上面拿到的這些
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transcript.whisperx[4769].text 東西是不是安全的
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transcript.whisperx[4770].text 所以部長你一直在強調嘛
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transcript.whisperx[4771].text 就是說民眾消費者拿到
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transcript.whisperx[4772].text 這些買到的這些油品是安全的
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transcript.whisperx[4773].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[4774].text 我們在7月10號中午
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transcript.whisperx[4775].text 都已經完全
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transcript.whisperx[4776].text 預防性下架所以現在
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transcript.whisperx[4777].text 架上都是經過我們檢驗完之後
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transcript.whisperx[4778].text 允許上架的
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transcript.whisperx[4779].text 而且現在其他
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transcript.whisperx[4780].text 還在持續煉油的這個
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transcript.whisperx[4781].text 三個大廠他都是足批
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transcript.whisperx[4782].text 檢驗過去的話還是
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transcript.whisperx[4783].text 半年或一季才抽驗
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transcript.whisperx[4784].text 現在是足批檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[4785].text 所以現在的大豆油
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transcript.whisperx[4786].text 是非常安全的
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transcript.whisperx[4787].text 所以我要再次的
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transcript.whisperx[4788].text 請部長還有
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transcript.whisperx[4789].text 我們食藥署
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transcript.whisperx[4790].text 針對這部分趕快
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transcript.whisperx[4791].text 趕快釐清完之後
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transcript.whisperx[4792].text 大家往前走不要
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transcript.whisperx[4793].text 在這個議題上面再一直
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transcript.whisperx[4794].text 圍繞下去其實我覺得這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[4795].text 一直圍繞下去其實也都不是好事
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transcript.whisperx[4796].text 總是把事情釐清之後
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transcript.whisperx[4797].text 未來不要再有這樣的
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transcript.whisperx[4798].text 事情發生
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transcript.whisperx[4799].text 像中聯有指的狀況其實我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[4800].text 應該也要去追究他
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transcript.whisperx[4801].text 為什麼不通報那為什麼會去
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transcript.whisperx[4802].text 做出這樣劣質的油
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transcript.whisperx[4803].text 或者是有毒的油
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transcript.whisperx[4804].text 我覺得這個責任要釐清
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transcript.whisperx[4805].text 這個我覺得也要重罰
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transcript.whisperx[4806].text 讓業者不要心存僥倖
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transcript.whisperx[4807].text 我覺得這個更重要
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transcript.whisperx[4808].text 我現在一直覺得說
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transcript.whisperx[4809].text 好像中央政府跟地方政府
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transcript.whisperx[4810].text 大家就是
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transcript.whisperx[4811].text 互踢皮球其實我覺得這樣也不對
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transcript.whisperx[4812].text 但我相信
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transcript.whisperx[4813].text 部長跟署長都是
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transcript.whisperx[4814].text 對於這個承擔的人
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transcript.whisperx[4815].text 總是事情發生了
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transcript.whisperx[4816].text 中央政府就是要
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transcript.whisperx[4817].text 承擔這樣的一個責任
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transcript.whisperx[4818].text 趕快把它釐清
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transcript.whisperx[4819].text 讓民眾讓消費者
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transcript.whisperx[4820].text 在貨架上面拿到的
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transcript.whisperx[4821].text 這些使用油全部都是安全的
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transcript.whisperx[4822].text 我覺得這是大家更關心的事情
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transcript.whisperx[4823].text 跟委員說明我們其實
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transcript.whisperx[4824].text 一直秉持的就是
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transcript.whisperx[4825].text 食安是需要中央跟地方
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transcript.whisperx[4826].text 大家一起做好
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transcript.whisperx[4827].text 所以我們不會去
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transcript.whisperx[4828].text 就責地方政府
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transcript.whisperx[4829].text 也不會去踢皮球
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transcript.whisperx[4830].text 大家就是要一起合作
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transcript.whisperx[4831].text 才能夠把這個事情
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transcript.whisperx[4832].text 為民眾把關
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transcript.whisperx[4833].text 把這個食安整個工作做好
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transcript.whisperx[4834].text 所以未來我們也是用這樣的精神
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transcript.whisperx[4835].text 來進行修法
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transcript.whisperx[4836].text 好我希望就是說
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transcript.whisperx[4837].text 這個議題趕快
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transcript.whisperx[4838].text 處理完之後
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transcript.whisperx[4839].text 我們再次的將這個
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transcript.whisperx[4840].text 食安法修法修得更嚴謹
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transcript.whisperx[4841].text 我覺得這個應該是大家
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transcript.whisperx[4842].text 的事情
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transcript.whisperx[4843].text 好謝謝黃秀芳委員
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transcript.whisperx[4844].text 那我們請下一位蘇青前委員
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transcript.whisperx[4845].text 好謝謝蘇青
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transcript.whisperx[4846].text 我請教育部
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transcript.whisperx[4847].text 副署長賴淑芬副署長
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transcript.whisperx[4848].text 謝謝教育署
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transcript.whisperx[4849].text 然後國防部後勤參謀次長
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transcript.whisperx[4850].text 賀志豪處長
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transcript.whisperx[4851].text 經濟部賴次長
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transcript.whisperx[4852].text 還有我們台南公司的蔡東霖副總經理
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transcript.whisperx[4853].text 部長署長休息
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transcript.whisperx[4854].text 好我們請我們
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transcript.whisperx[4855].text 國教署副署長戴淑芬
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transcript.whisperx[4856].text 台南的副總我先問你
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transcript.whisperx[4857].text
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transcript.whisperx[4858].text 今天早上講到現在大家說到累了
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transcript.whisperx[4859].text 來我問你喔
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transcript.whisperx[4860].text 5月11號你們去
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transcript.whisperx[4861].text 你們這採購是在什麼時候
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transcript.whisperx[4862].text 招標採購300萬公升
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transcript.whisperx[4863].text 招標是4月份的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4864].text 4月份
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transcript.whisperx[4865].text 好那來投標的
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transcript.whisperx[4866].text 剛剛經濟部次長說有高競
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transcript.whisperx[4867].text 來投標
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transcript.whisperx[4868].text 選擇性招標的廠商
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transcript.whisperx[4869].text 我們是用選擇性招標
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transcript.whisperx[4870].text 建立合格廠商名單
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transcript.whisperx[4871].text 我們平常就有建立啦
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transcript.whisperx[4872].text 合格廠商名單
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transcript.whisperx[4873].text 那招標的時候我們會通知這些廠商
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transcript.whisperx[4874].text 他們來投標那總共來投標的有4家
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transcript.whisperx[4875].text 4家
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transcript.whisperx[4876].text 那胡茂
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transcript.whisperx[4877].text 得標嘛對不對
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transcript.whisperx[4878].text 胡茂得標之後
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transcript.whisperx[4879].text 他又交給中聯7家
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transcript.whisperx[4880].text 代工
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transcript.whisperx[4881].text 可以這樣嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4882].text 那標是說
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transcript.whisperx[4883].text 企工4間公司來投標的
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transcript.whisperx[4884].text 有中聯
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transcript.whisperx[4885].text 沒有
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transcript.whisperx[4886].text 另外那第2級的
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transcript.whisperx[4887].text 胡茂、泰山
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transcript.whisperx[4888].text 泰山、胡茂他們都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[4889].text 壓黃豆的設備
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transcript.whisperx[4890].text 對嘛我現在問題在第一個在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[4891].text 就是說這4間公司
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transcript.whisperx[4892].text 自己有壓榨
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transcript.whisperx[4893].text 出脫膠原有這個R
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transcript.whisperx[4894].text Rdouble
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transcript.whisperx[4895].text 石部長說的第一級的
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transcript.whisperx[4896].text 那這些公司都沒有這個能力的話
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transcript.whisperx[4897].text 那他們招標完全部都是委託中聯
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transcript.whisperx[4898].text 代工出貨是不是這個意思
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transcript.whisperx[4899].text
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transcript.whisperx[4900].text 所以你招標就是招到基模的嘛
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transcript.whisperx[4901].text 我們公開招標也有包括國外的廠商
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transcript.whisperx[4902].text 那國外的出遊
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transcript.whisperx[4903].text 如果說他得標的話
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transcript.whisperx[4904].text 也可以來交貨
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transcript.whisperx[4905].text 那他也是委託中聯出貨
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transcript.whisperx[4909].text 是沒有錯
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transcript.whisperx[4910].text 有發生過這樣嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4912].text 有曾經發生過
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transcript.whisperx[4915].text 黃豆原有
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transcript.whisperx[4916].text 回去到你們
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transcript.whisperx[4917].text 台糖你們的工廠在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[4918].text 你們有能力
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transcript.whisperx[4920].text 等等有沒有
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transcript.whisperx[4924].text 一個廠就是
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transcript.whisperx[4927].text 那個是我們有一個就是
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transcript.whisperx[4930].text 我們本來就是這樣做
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transcript.whisperx[4931].text 我們主要是
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transcript.whisperx[4932].text 購買美國的黃豆回來壓榨
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transcript.whisperx[4935].text 我查起來是
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transcript.whisperx[4936].text 你們買的油
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transcript.whisperx[4938].text 這次中聯
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transcript.whisperx[4939].text 他們才去把
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transcript.whisperx[4940].text 巴西進來是種種
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transcript.whisperx[4941].text 散裝破崙就劈屁撞的
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transcript.whisperx[4942].text 所以都會濕
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transcript.whisperx[4944].text 所以濕濕黏黏
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transcript.whisperx[4945].text 所以就用茶油
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transcript.whisperx[4946].text 就是烤
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transcript.whisperx[4950].text 這些就幾乎就出來
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transcript.whisperx[4951].text 然後這些事情
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transcript.whisperx[4952].text 弄到迷你媽媽
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transcript.whisperx[4953].text 到了七月份
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transcript.whisperx[4955].text 叫署長
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transcript.whisperx[4956].text 打這個
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transcript.whisperx[4957].text 背這個鍋我是覺得
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transcript.whisperx[4958].text 這不道德的耶
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transcript.whisperx[4959].text 前面亂搞一通後面這樣
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transcript.whisperx[4960].text 部長 食部長可憐耶
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transcript.whisperx[4961].text 他吃過都知道
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transcript.whisperx[4962].text 好不甘迷你媽媽
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transcript.whisperx[4963].text 我覺得台糖
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transcript.whisperx[4965].text 我們從小都在那個
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transcript.whisperx[4968].text 在那裡頭噁甘甘
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transcript.whisperx[4969].text 這年代的人都做過耶
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transcript.whisperx[4970].text 吃你們的
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transcript.whisperx[4971].text 建樹糖
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transcript.whisperx[4972].text 我會建樹糖
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transcript.whisperx[4973].text 因為營養不良嘛
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transcript.whisperx[4974].text 吃你們的東西大家都很有信心
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transcript.whisperx[4975].text 現在大家這樣
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transcript.whisperx[4979].text 那你就自己搞就好了
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transcript.whisperx[4980].text 為什麼要去買這些有問題的油呢
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transcript.whisperx[4984].text 台糖的生意太好
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transcript.whisperx[4985].text 大家都一定有信心耶
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transcript.whisperx[4988].text 300公升的
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transcript.whisperx[4993].text 需要的出油大概需要
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transcript.whisperx[5011].text 那你
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transcript.whisperx[5021].text 沒有運收
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transcript.whisperx[5022].text 沒有接收
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transcript.whisperx[5027].text 第一批交貨
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transcript.whisperx[5029].text 也是中聯交的
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transcript.whisperx[5036].text 1000噸啦
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transcript.whisperx[5039].text 這個也是中聯交
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transcript.whisperx[5040].text 那個我們願他是合格的
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transcript.whisperx[5041].text 他是合乎我們的招標的
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transcript.whisperx[5042].text 你們自己本身有能力去做
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transcript.whisperx[5047].text 我們有實驗室
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transcript.whisperx[5048].text 那你沒有能力驗這個批評
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transcript.whisperx[5049].text 我們也可以啦
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transcript.whisperx[5050].text 只是說經過第三方的話
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transcript.whisperx[5051].text 他是比較公正的
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transcript.whisperx[5052].text 那你們自己在製造過程
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transcript.whisperx[5053].text 你從脫交原有一直往下一直經驗
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transcript.whisperx[5054].text 像我們食部長講的
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transcript.whisperx[5055].text 脫交脫錯算
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transcript.whisperx[5056].text 拆到一天三天都拿出來
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transcript.whisperx[5057].text 那做拆了
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transcript.whisperx[5058].text 要去給他吃
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transcript.whisperx[5059].text 你的
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transcript.whisperx[5060].text
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transcript.whisperx[5061].text 驗的data
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transcript.whisperx[5062].text 也是你們還是委託第三方驗
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transcript.whisperx[5063].text 都是委託第三方公正單位在驗
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transcript.whisperx[5064].text 都是委託第三方
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transcript.whisperx[5065].text 對一定要驗到合格為止
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transcript.whisperx[5067].text 那我現在要講說我們對台檔是
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transcript.whisperx[5069].text 其他的可能
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transcript.whisperx[5071].text 所以委員不能放心
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transcript.whisperx[5072].text 對台檔大家是這樣放心
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transcript.whisperx[5073].text 結果你如果出事
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transcript.whisperx[5074].text 就死了
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transcript.whisperx[5075].text 所以這個還給保證國防部
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transcript.whisperx[5076].text 這個阿兵哥最可憐
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transcript.whisperx[5077].text 這個孩子最可憐
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transcript.whisperx[5078].text 剛才就吃不死就很爽
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transcript.whisperx[5079].text 這樣嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5080].text 我們為什麼要進美國的黃豆
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transcript.whisperx[5081].text 就是他的品質比較好
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transcript.whisperx[5082].text 他的品質跟巴西黃豆是差在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[5084].text 他的
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transcript.whisperx[5085].text 蛋白質
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transcript.whisperx[5086].text 水分含量都比較好
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transcript.whisperx[5089].text 都是基改
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transcript.whisperx[5090].text 好看他們這樣80%都是基改
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transcript.whisperx[5091].text 是是是
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transcript.whisperx[5094].text 死了
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transcript.whisperx[5095].text 吃基改就完了
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transcript.whisperx[5096].text 沒有證據
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transcript.whisperx[5098].text 這些副實裝是
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transcript.whisperx[5099].text 我做海流
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transcript.whisperx[5101].text 剛才吃吃吃吃
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transcript.whisperx[5102].text 沒死到現在沒死
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transcript.whisperx[5103].text 保證你也做一支特勞軍的
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transcript.whisperx[5104].text 我吃吃吃也不知道
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transcript.whisperx[5105].text 我們對於食安的問題
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transcript.whisperx[5106].text 我們一直消一直消
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transcript.whisperx[5107].text 今天要消法一直消
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transcript.whisperx[5108].text 消一消不遵守有什麼屁用
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transcript.whisperx[5109].text 不遵守就等於零嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5111].text 不遵守
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transcript.whisperx[5113].text 他有他也不敢講
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transcript.whisperx[5116].text 也許處教人有
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transcript.whisperx[5117].text 沒有沒有沒有
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transcript.whisperx[5122].text 還是超標
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transcript.whisperx[5123].text 那個他沒有報啦
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transcript.whisperx[5125].text 他那個時候是
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transcript.whisperx[5129].text 所以中聯本身可以
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transcript.whisperx[5130].text 一直做做到食用油
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transcript.whisperx[5131].text 這個工程就都委託而已
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transcript.whisperx[5132].text 做假的
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transcript.whisperx[5133].text 都歐耶妹
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transcript.whisperx[5134].text 現在工程都掛名了
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transcript.whisperx[5135].text 你把你撥的他也沒辦法交
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transcript.whisperx[5136].text 叫中聯交
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transcript.whisperx[5137].text 現在你說的撥的他要做成品
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transcript.whisperx[5139].text 做成品做出來要
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transcript.whisperx[5140].text 這樣事情嚴重耶
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transcript.whisperx[5141].text 部長
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transcript.whisperx[5142].text 市長啊 賴市長你們這個公司這樣管理
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transcript.whisperx[5143].text 這就行的
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transcript.whisperx[5144].text 怕死人
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transcript.whisperx[5145].text 我跟委員報告
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transcript.whisperx[5146].text 中油的大豆沙拉油
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transcript.whisperx[5147].text 市占率只有7%而已
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transcript.whisperx[5148].text 愛太等待等7%
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transcript.whisperx[5149].text 其他九或三%都是民間的
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transcript.whisperx[5150].text 剛才你說的公司也有現金
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transcript.whisperx[5151].text 那五間都都是
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transcript.whisperx[5152].text 那個比較實在的數字我不知道
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transcript.whisperx[5153].text 但是比較實在的就是說
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transcript.whisperx[5154].text 中央先產的
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transcript.whisperx[5155].text 那五間現在聽起來就是他那七%
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transcript.whisperx[5156].text 都是第三方驗證
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transcript.whisperx[5157].text 都是合格的
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transcript.whisperx[5158].text 他掛福茂的品牌
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transcript.whisperx[5159].text 結果是中聯做出來
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transcript.whisperx[5160].text 搞不好連做都不做
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transcript.whisperx[5161].text 就吃了啦
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transcript.whisperx[5162].text 中聯一天出事
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transcript.whisperx[5163].text 自己有辦法不報
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transcript.whisperx[5164].text 叫食藥署公益太太
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transcript.whisperx[5165].text 都沒有去足批檢查
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transcript.whisperx[5166].text 部長沒有去葬崗
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transcript.whisperx[5167].text 要去取消
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transcript.whisperx[5168].text 我認為衛福部是有可能
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transcript.whisperx[5169].text 所以現在是要天宮委
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transcript.whisperx[5170].text 聚焦聚焦
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transcript.whisperx[5171].text 台中這邊
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transcript.whisperx[5172].text 介紹要對人家的食品
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transcript.whisperx[5173].text 有交代
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transcript.whisperx[5174].text 這些孩子都吃台中的藥
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transcript.whisperx[5175].text 第二台台中公司
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transcript.whisperx[5176].text 邊上時
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transcript.whisperx[5177].text 台中公司建立
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transcript.whisperx[5180].text 自身的標準第二
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transcript.whisperx[5181].text 就是說經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[5182].text 定期去查核
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transcript.whisperx[5183].text 審計會同政風
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transcript.whisperx[5184].text 單位去看他的採購
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transcript.whisperx[5187].text 包括進出或等
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transcript.whisperx[5188].text 這個都會看
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transcript.whisperx[5189].text 第三就是說
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transcript.whisperx[5190].text 在年度的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5191].text 結束的時候也會叫相關單位
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transcript.whisperx[5192].text 審計包括
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transcript.whisperx[5193].text 建制部議會的單位
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transcript.whisperx[5195].text 目前為止台中出產的
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transcript.whisperx[5196].text 這個產品
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transcript.whisperx[5197].text 原料一定要檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[5198].text 合格交代入台中
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transcript.whisperx[5199].text 的手裡面
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transcript.whisperx[5200].text 另外他出產的這個產品
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transcript.whisperx[5201].text 也要
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transcript.whisperx[5202].text 特別是食品的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5203].text 要通過
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transcript.whisperx[5204].text 食安法的規定
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transcript.whisperx[5205].text 我告訴你
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transcript.whisperx[5206].text 我們民間
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transcript.whisperx[5207].text 民間對台中
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transcript.whisperx[5208].text 是真的無依賴的公司
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transcript.whisperx[5209].text 這幾十年來
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transcript.whisperx[5210].text 很多人
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transcript.whisperx[5211].text 跟台中有關係
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transcript.whisperx[5212].text 土地、食物這樣站
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transcript.whisperx[5213].text 所以對台中是有絕對的信心
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transcript.whisperx[5214].text 其他人不信心
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transcript.whisperx[5215].text 對台中信心
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transcript.whisperx[5216].text 具體建議
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transcript.whisperx[5217].text 具體建議就是說
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transcript.whisperx[5219].text 用費貴增
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transcript.whisperx[5220].text 拼這個保證
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transcript.whisperx[5221].text 你自己來客遊、客做
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transcript.whisperx[5222].text 你擴廠、擴自己的場
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transcript.whisperx[5223].text 台中那麼好
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transcript.whisperx[5224].text 專大人想多得住
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transcript.whisperx[5225].text 一年來走這麼少
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transcript.whisperx[5227].text 市長你了解嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5228].text 自己在做
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transcript.whisperx[5230].text 感謝威元支持台中
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transcript.whisperx[5231].text 絕對支持你
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transcript.whisperx[5232].text 自己在客、買到
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transcript.whisperx[5233].text 付食品給國昆、給孩子吃
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transcript.whisperx[5234].text 這樣吃的孩子
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transcript.whisperx[5235].text 家裡有保障
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transcript.whisperx[5237].text 國外要交你二級
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transcript.whisperx[5238].text 感謝威元對台中愛上的信心
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transcript.whisperx[5239].text 現在這個年代
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transcript.whisperx[5243].text 不要做到我們被虛廢編撥
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transcript.whisperx[5244].text 真的是對不起國人
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transcript.whisperx[5245].text 市長我這樣強具體建議
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transcript.whisperx[5246].text 我總執行要再問他
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transcript.whisperx[5247].text 感謝威元
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transcript.whisperx[5248].text 好,謝謝蘇貞前委員
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transcript.whisperx[5249].text 下一位請我們
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transcript.whisperx[5250].text 下一位鄉委員
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transcript.whisperx[5251].text 好,謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[5252].text 那有請石崇良部長
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transcript.whisperx[5253].text 還有江志剛署長
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transcript.whisperx[5254].text 以及那個賴建信常務次長
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transcript.whisperx[5255].text 還有我們食安辦的許甫主任
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transcript.whisperx[5256].text 調人好
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transcript.whisperx[5257].text 部長好,部長我想要先問你
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transcript.whisperx[5258].text 石部長
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transcript.whisperx[5259].text 今天我看到中石有刊載出來
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transcript.whisperx[5260].text 你們20%的決策的會議記錄
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transcript.whisperx[5261].text 那我是想要請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[5262].text 到底有沒有分上下半場
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transcript.whisperx[5263].text 你前面上次你說有分上下半場
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transcript.whisperx[5264].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[5265].text 他是兩個議題
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transcript.whisperx[5266].text 就是上半場第一個議題
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transcript.whisperx[5267].text 是在就這個中聯的事件進行了解
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transcript.whisperx[5268].text 那請問你上下半場你上次是說
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transcript.whisperx[5269].text 這個廠商是什麼時候獵食
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transcript.whisperx[5270].text 跟委員說因為這個會議不是
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transcript.whisperx[5271].text 我沒有出席
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transcript.whisperx[5274].text 可是我看你們會議記錄
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transcript.whisperx[5275].text 根本沒有上下半場啊
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transcript.whisperx[5276].text 你這個到底怎麼來的
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transcript.whisperx[5277].text 那部長你要不要老實一點
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transcript.whisperx[5278].text 我的理解是兩個議題啦
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transcript.whisperx[5279].text 就是上半場下半場
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transcript.whisperx[5280].text 部長我真的很擔心耶
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transcript.whisperx[5281].text 今天要嘛是你一直在找理由推脫
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transcript.whisperx[5282].text 要嘛是你被架空
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transcript.whisperx[5283].text 因為我看到這個會議記錄
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transcript.whisperx[5284].text 我覺得蠻神奇的
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transcript.whisperx[5285].text 公布了名單之後啊
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transcript.whisperx[5286].text 我發現重點好像不只是誰出席了
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transcript.whisperx[5287].text 而是誰沒有出席
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transcript.whisperx[5288].text 那我發現你們衛福部的本部沒有派人出席啊
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transcript.whisperx[5289].text 你們衛福部本部沒有人耶
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transcript.whisperx[5290].text 部長過去我們在開協調會的時候啊
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transcript.whisperx[5291].text 我常常我覺得你是
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transcript.whisperx[5292].text 也算是親力親為喔
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transcript.whisperx[5293].text 很多協調會你都很重視
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transcript.whisperx[5294].text 你也會出席
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transcript.whisperx[5295].text 或是至少你部本部會派一個人
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transcript.whisperx[5296].text 至少派個記政派個公務員
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transcript.whisperx[5297].text 都要到場
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transcript.whisperx[5298].text 結果這場會議你們本部沒有派一個人啊
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transcript.whisperx[5300].text 我看你就一直要幫忙解釋
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transcript.whisperx[5301].text 一直要幫忙拆彈
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transcript.whisperx[5302].text 那你到底是
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transcript.whisperx[5303].text 不知道不知情還是事後
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transcript.whisperx[5304].text 一直想要找理由
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transcript.whisperx[5305].text 然後所以才講出很荒唐有上下半場
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transcript.whisperx[5306].text 可是剛剛我聽到徐福主任說
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transcript.whisperx[5307].text 是一整場對不對
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transcript.whisperx[5308].text 一整場嘛那這個
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transcript.whisperx[5309].text 這個廠商也是一整場練習嘛對不對
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transcript.whisperx[5310].text 對徐福主任也點頭嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5311].text 其實這是現在政府讓人家
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transcript.whisperx[5312].text 最擔心的地方
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transcript.whisperx[5313].text 就是出了事之後
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transcript.whisperx[5314].text 好像用掰的
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transcript.whisperx[5315].text 然後你講到底有還是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[5316].text 所以我剛剛就講了上面有食安辦有派人
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transcript.whisperx[5317].text 下面食藥署有人
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transcript.whisperx[5318].text 廠商也有派人
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transcript.whisperx[5319].text 那就你們本部沒有派人
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transcript.whisperx[5321].text 你們當初你根本沒有人可以
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transcript.whisperx[5324].text 然後你事後又要說你覺得
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transcript.whisperx[5325].text 這個決策很奇怪
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transcript.whisperx[5326].text 跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[5327].text 這個是食安專家的會議
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transcript.whisperx[5328].text 這是一個食安專家的會議
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transcript.whisperx[5329].text 那你到底知不知情
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transcript.whisperx[5330].text 開會的時候你知不知情
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transcript.whisperx[5331].text 我知道開這場會議
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transcript.whisperx[5332].text 事前還是事後
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transcript.whisperx[5333].text 事前我當然知道他有開這個會議
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transcript.whisperx[5334].text 那你怎麼沒有派人
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transcript.whisperx[5335].text 那因為過去
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transcript.whisperx[5337].text 都是在食藥署這邊召開
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transcript.whisperx[5338].text 並沒有我們部
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transcript.whisperx[5339].text 本部都不用派一個人
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transcript.whisperx[5340].text 這個以往就是慣例
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transcript.whisperx[5342].text 都是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[5343].text 這個慣例也很奇怪
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transcript.whisperx[5344].text 這個東西部本部派一個人
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transcript.whisperx[5345].text 練習知道發生什麼事
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transcript.whisperx[5346].text 食藥署知道發生什麼事
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transcript.whisperx[5347].text 不是很正常的事
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transcript.whisperx[5348].text 因為這個是定位在一個食安的專家會議
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transcript.whisperx[5351].text 部本部沒有派人
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transcript.whisperx[5352].text 然後看起來好像部長好像不知情
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transcript.whisperx[5353].text 然後事後今天來在這裡質詢台上
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transcript.whisperx[5354].text 大家質疑你
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transcript.whisperx[5355].text 然後你一直解釋
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transcript.whisperx[5356].text 好那我想要請教一下這個
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transcript.whisperx[5357].text 我們請一下江志剛署長好了
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transcript.whisperx[5358].text 署長我想要請教一下
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transcript.whisperx[5359].text 這個你剛剛有說會議紀錄是
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transcript.whisperx[5360].text 這20%只是建議是不是
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transcript.whisperx[5363].text 你告訴我我剛剛聽到你講說這只是專家建議
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transcript.whisperx[5364].text 對對
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transcript.whisperx[5365].text 獨立跟現在遇到的
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transcript.whisperx[5366].text BAP沒關係署長你
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transcript.whisperx[5367].text 就回答我你是不是說這個會議的
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transcript.whisperx[5369].text 說明討論完會有
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transcript.whisperx[5374].text 之後我們針對這個結論之後進一步
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transcript.whisperx[5379].text 確定下來的結果
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transcript.whisperx[5380].text 可是你剛剛又說建議到底是誰決測
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transcript.whisperx[5386].text 署長可以回答嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5387].text 署長等一下我先問署長
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transcript.whisperx[5388].text 因為你不在場你當天不在場
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transcript.whisperx[5395].text 長官跟情職都有去了解這個內容
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transcript.whisperx[5412].text 就是作為我們政府機關的
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transcript.whisperx[5415].text 有議策說是不是
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transcript.whisperx[5421].text 從頭到尾代表行政院你在現場
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transcript.whisperx[5426].text 不能夠承擔
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transcript.whisperx[5432].text 這部分其實都有跟我們
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transcript.whisperx[5433].text 部裡面的內部都有做報告
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transcript.whisperx[5434].text 那你也有跟行政院報告對不對
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transcript.whisperx[5436].text 按石安法中央主管機關就是衛福部
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transcript.whisperx[5438].text 大家的共識
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transcript.whisperx[5439].text 就作為我們
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transcript.whisperx[5440].text 後續在處理
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transcript.whisperx[5441].text 各項的預防性下架的
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transcript.whisperx[5442].text 一個決測的參考
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transcript.whisperx[5443].text 那對阿
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transcript.whisperx[5444].text 但是你們還是沒有告訴我誰決測
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transcript.whisperx[5445].text 部長那我想請問
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transcript.whisperx[5446].text 因為當初你也講說你覺得這個決測怪怪的
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transcript.whisperx[5447].text 那你是一個醫者
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transcript.whisperx[5448].text 醫者良心
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transcript.whisperx[5449].text 那以國人的石安最高標準的話
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transcript.whisperx[5450].text 如果你當場當初在這個會議
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transcript.whisperx[5451].text 之後你還會做出
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transcript.whisperx[5452].text 這種20%以下不用下架的決定嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5454].text 因為一開始是只有
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transcript.whisperx[5455].text 第一層的油品下架
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transcript.whisperx[5456].text 那個是106年的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5457].text 那當時我說我覺得怪怪的是因為
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transcript.whisperx[5458].text 有一些即使是
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transcript.whisperx[5459].text 第二層的油品
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transcript.whisperx[5460].text 第二層的加工食品
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transcript.whisperx[5461].text 他還是會以油的形式主戰
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transcript.whisperx[5462].text 部長你沒有回答我的問題
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transcript.whisperx[5463].text 你不用再解釋
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transcript.whisperx[5464].text 專家會議把它擴大
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transcript.whisperx[5465].text 我只是一直很好奇
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transcript.whisperx[5466].text 第一個你部本部沒派人
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transcript.whisperx[5467].text 你也不曉得當場的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[5468].text 然後事後你又要一直找一堆東西來解釋
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transcript.whisperx[5469].text 來收尾
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transcript.whisperx[5470].text 我很想要知道到底是誰決測的
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transcript.whisperx[5471].text 那我現在有請經濟部次長
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transcript.whisperx[5472].text 次長這個台糖自己也公佈說
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transcript.whisperx[5473].text 5月11日這個前往
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transcript.whisperx[5474].text 中聯有指的這個
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transcript.whisperx[5475].text 風潮採樣反正他的
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transcript.whisperx[5476].text 報告就是超標啦
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transcript.whisperx[5477].text 好那現在之後
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transcript.whisperx[5478].text 這個又向廠商
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transcript.whisperx[5479].text 陸續收了兩百
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transcript.whisperx[5480].text 兩百一二零一萬的四千公斤的原料啦
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transcript.whisperx[5481].text 那但是經濟部後來
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transcript.whisperx[5482].text 又在說什麼這就像是
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transcript.whisperx[5483].text 餐廳採購人員在菜市場
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transcript.whisperx[5484].text 看到爛菜葉不需要什麼都通報
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transcript.whisperx[5485].text 我想要請問一下這是經濟部的官方立場嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5486].text 首先跟委員報告
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transcript.whisperx[5487].text 那經濟部對於台糖公司
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transcript.whisperx[5488].text 他履行合約
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transcript.whisperx[5489].text 履行法規這是經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[5490].text 一直是要求我們國營事業是如此
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transcript.whisperx[5491].text 但為什麼你們經濟部當初要這樣子講
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transcript.whisperx[5492].text 基本上5月15日
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transcript.whisperx[5493].text 通過第三方的
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transcript.whisperx[5494].text 驗證報告
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transcript.whisperx[5495].text 認為這一批的原料
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transcript.whisperx[5496].text 你們經濟部這句話我講給你聽
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transcript.whisperx[5497].text 這個是不倫不類的比喻
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transcript.whisperx[5498].text 中聯不是路邊的
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transcript.whisperx[5499].text 陌生攤販是國內的
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transcript.whisperx[5500].text 黃豆加工跟食用油紙
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transcript.whisperx[5501].text 的大型製造商
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transcript.whisperx[5502].text 台糖是國營企業也不是餐廳的採購
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transcript.whisperx[5503].text 那現在經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[5504].text 用這個隱喻失當
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transcript.whisperx[5505].text 所以你現在還是認為說
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transcript.whisperx[5506].text 這個沒有義務通報毒油台糖是
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transcript.whisperx[5507].text 高標準的乖寶寶嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5508].text 然後第二個我想要請教一下
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transcript.whisperx[5509].text 哪一種青菜啊
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transcript.whisperx[5510].text 會產生本扁皮
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transcript.whisperx[5511].text 你把腐爛的菜葉比喻成
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transcript.whisperx[5512].text 這個致癌的物質
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transcript.whisperx[5513].text 請問有科學根據嗎還是有專家
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transcript.whisperx[5516].text 那也很明顯就是長那個樣子
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transcript.whisperx[5517].text 當然一般人不會吃嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5518].text 但是本扁皮是沒有辦法知道的
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transcript.whisperx[5519].text 沒有辦法肉眼分出來的
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transcript.whisperx[5520].text 是不是次長你這個部分你有沒有覺得
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transcript.whisperx[5521].text 你們當初的這個比喻是隱喻失當
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transcript.whisperx[5522].text 首先跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[5523].text 不符合台糖允說標準的
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transcript.whisperx[5524].text 材料這些材料都還在
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transcript.whisperx[5525].text 這個中聯的311廠
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transcript.whisperx[5526].text 這是第一點
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transcript.whisperx[5527].text 這個所謂的這個
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transcript.whisperx[5528].text 這個我都知道喔
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transcript.whisperx[5529].text 這個出膠原油的
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transcript.whisperx[5530].text 事實上它的用途啊
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transcript.whisperx[5531].text 包括是工業的添加劑也好
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transcript.whisperx[5532].text 或是說是製造潤滑油
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transcript.whisperx[5533].text 製造肥皂都好
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transcript.whisperx[5534].text 你講到這個我就馬上想要打臉你了
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transcript.whisperx[5535].text 剛剛台糖的人就說他們拿這個
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transcript.whisperx[5536].text 出膠原油就是要來做他們
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transcript.whisperx[5537].text 大豆沙拉油
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transcript.whisperx[5538].text 那你這個你等於是想要
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transcript.whisperx[5539].text 想要把它模糊掉嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5540].text 當然它可以做很多東西啊
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transcript.whisperx[5541].text 很多化學物質都可以做很多東西啊
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transcript.whisperx[5542].text 但是在於台糖的角度
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transcript.whisperx[5543].text 賣方的提供者他可以去做這些的事情
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transcript.whisperx[5544].text 那我問你這個中聯油脂
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transcript.whisperx[5545].text 除了做這個食用油之外
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transcript.whisperx[5546].text 他有拿去做肥皂嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5547].text 他也沒有嘛那我想要講的事情
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transcript.whisperx[5548].text 是針對你們台糖
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transcript.whisperx[5549].text 他就是拿這個要來做
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transcript.whisperx[5550].text 大豆沙拉油嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5553].text 然後還有供需或民生
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transcript.whisperx[5554].text 你認為這起毒油案有沒有影響到
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transcript.whisperx[5556].text 有關於影響到台糖的這個商譽的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5557].text 因為台糖的產品
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transcript.whisperx[5558].text 都經過第三方驗證都是合格的
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transcript.whisperx[5559].text 那現在有一方性下降
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transcript.whisperx[5560].text 那對未來台糖會
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transcript.whisperx[5561].text 輕點相關的
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transcript.whisperx[5562].text 這個這個
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transcript.whisperx[5563].text 所以市長我就想要請教啊
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transcript.whisperx[5564].text 市長因為依照經濟部所屬
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transcript.whisperx[5565].text 事業各類災害及緊急事件的
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transcript.whisperx[5566].text 速報程序
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transcript.whisperx[5567].text 第三條第五款第一項跟第二項
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transcript.whisperx[5568].text 你剛剛也有說這可能會
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transcript.whisperx[5569].text 可能有這個疑慮啊
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transcript.whisperx[5570].text 然後未來如果發生這個真的有影響到
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transcript.whisperx[5571].text 這個事業形象的話
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transcript.whisperx[5572].text 等等等的
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transcript.whisperx[5573].text 但是依照你們的那個規定啊
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transcript.whisperx[5574].text 你們的規則就是說你一小時內
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transcript.whisperx[5575].text 要通報國營會其他主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[5577].text 你覺得這個這個按鍵
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transcript.whisperx[5578].text 是不是用嗎還是怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[5579].text 涉及到四大國營企業
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transcript.whisperx[5581].text 然後有跟災害防救法
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transcript.whisperx[5582].text 有關係的所有的
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transcript.whisperx[5583].text 事故或是意外的話
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transcript.whisperx[5584].text 他依照這個內部的作業規則
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transcript.whisperx[5585].text 會去通報
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transcript.whisperx[5586].text 那你內部有這個作業規則啊
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transcript.whisperx[5588].text 台中地方法院已經很清楚的
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transcript.whisperx[5589].text 在他的八月一號的新聞稿裡面
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transcript.whisperx[5590].text 有提到當台糖
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transcript.whisperx[5591].text 驗出來
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transcript.whisperx[5592].text 退貨第三方這個公證
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transcript.whisperx[5593].text 驗出來的這個結果的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5594].text 他有跟福茂講
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transcript.whisperx[5595].text 而且地方法院也認為說
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transcript.whisperx[5596].text 包括福茂跟中聯他必須要
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transcript.whisperx[5597].text 所以我跟你檢討的是這個
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transcript.whisperx[5598].text 中聯的部分當然他現在調查了
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transcript.whisperx[5599].text 我跟你檢討的是台糖他知道這個事情
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transcript.whisperx[5601].text 他是有可能讓這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[5602].text 提早發現的
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transcript.whisperx[5603].text 這個部分中央地方國營事業
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transcript.whisperx[5604].text 這個環節裡面這都是現在要
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transcript.whisperx[5606].text 講的就是這個點好
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transcript.whisperx[5607].text 那再來我請一下衛福部長
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transcript.whisperx[5608].text 部長你自己八月二號的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5609].text 也才說台糖是為了落實
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transcript.whisperx[5611].text 出交原油訂出允收
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transcript.whisperx[5612].text 的檢驗標準對不對
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transcript.whisperx[5613].text 對嘛對那你自己嘴裡
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transcript.whisperx[5614].text 都說它是原料啦
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transcript.whisperx[5615].text 對吧它是原料嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5617].text 那個是它的原料
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transcript.whisperx[5618].text 對啊它是原料沒有錯嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5620].text 良好衛生規範準則
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transcript.whisperx[5621].text 的第三條白紙黑字的
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transcript.whisperx[5623].text 那出交原油就是
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transcript.whisperx[5624].text 在台糖來講就是大豆沙拉油的
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transcript.whisperx[5626].text 那食安法第三條
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transcript.whisperx[5627].text 用明定的食品包含其原料
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transcript.whisperx[5628].text 請問部長這個過去
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transcript.whisperx[5629].text 這個法規對原料的定義
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transcript.whisperx[5630].text 是很明確的啊那為什麼我剛
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transcript.whisperx[5631].text 看到你跟很多的委員
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transcript.whisperx[5632].text 在爭論怎麼到台糖出事這個
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transcript.whisperx[5633].text 出交原油就剛剛說到好像
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transcript.whisperx[5634].text 又可以擴大解釋不是
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transcript.whisperx[5635].text 原料都變成是所謂的半成品
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transcript.whisperx[5636].text 到底是法律變了還是怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[5638].text 我們對於不可添加的
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transcript.whisperx[5639].text 不能檢出的
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transcript.whisperx[5640].text 不論是在原料
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transcript.whisperx[5641].text 或者是在產品這個都是違法
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transcript.whisperx[5642].text 就是通報但是呢
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transcript.whisperx[5643].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[5644].text 貶平比是食品安全衛生標準
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transcript.whisperx[5645].text 我們所訂的是
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transcript.whisperx[5646].text 食用油脂的標準
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transcript.whisperx[5647].text 部長我想請問一下你剛剛有委員
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transcript.whisperx[5648].text 在問你啦你剛剛有指你剛剛
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transcript.whisperx[5649].text 是不是有舉例說什麼豬排的
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transcript.whisperx[5650].text 豬排的這個比喻你可以
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transcript.whisperx[5651].text 再講一次嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5652].text 一樣的道理這個
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transcript.whisperx[5653].text 生豬肉那麼他要做成
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transcript.whisperx[5654].text 是個豬排他豬排要上市
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transcript.whisperx[5655].text 所以這個中間呢
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transcript.whisperx[5656].text 我們管的是你最後這個產品
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transcript.whisperx[5657].text 不可以有生菌超量
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transcript.whisperx[5658].text 但是你中間一定會去處理
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transcript.whisperx[5659].text 所以你不會用
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transcript.whisperx[5660].text 用生豬肉就來
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transcript.whisperx[5661].text 就來通報說這個有生菌
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transcript.whisperx[5662].text 部長我真的是越聽越覺得
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transcript.whisperx[5663].text 你們事後之後你一直擴大
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transcript.whisperx[5664].text 用你的行政解釋去幫忙
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transcript.whisperx[5666].text 你剛剛講到這個那我問你
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transcript.whisperx[5667].text 你知道保齡茶室的時候他食物中毒
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transcript.whisperx[5668].text 的元兇是什麼菌嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5669].text 他是不是有可能在製作的過程中
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transcript.whisperx[5670].text 他會造成對人民
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transcript.whisperx[5671].text 對人民食品安全的
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transcript.whisperx[5672].text 毒害
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transcript.whisperx[5673].text 因為他本身就是食品了
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transcript.whisperx[5674].text 他本身就是食品
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transcript.whisperx[5676].text 是會發生變化的
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transcript.whisperx[5677].text 會傷害到我們人民的
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transcript.whisperx[5680].text 那沒有因為剛剛已經講是原料
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transcript.whisperx[5682].text 3月11號的新聞稿裡面
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transcript.whisperx[5684].text 於發現原料或
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transcript.whisperx[5685].text 產品有危害衛生安全
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transcript.whisperx[5686].text 之餘應該主動的停止
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transcript.whisperx[5687].text 製造加工販賣及辦理回收
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transcript.whisperx[5688].text 並通報主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[5689].text 這你們白紙黑字講過啦
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transcript.whisperx[5690].text 所以剛剛講了在台一堂
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transcript.whisperx[5691].text 的事件裡他算是他的原料
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transcript.whisperx[5695].text 要做通報呢
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transcript.whisperx[5696].text 我們是分成兩類的
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transcript.whisperx[5697].text 一種是不得添加的
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transcript.whisperx[5698].text 像蘇丹紅那個是不得添加的
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transcript.whisperx[5700].text 另外是定有標準的
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transcript.whisperx[5701].text 那你就要看這個標準定在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[5702].text 這就是我一直講的嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5704].text 不是在脫交線
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transcript.whisperx[5707].text 我們前面已經講出來
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transcript.whisperx[5708].text 你們當初就已經講過新聞稿
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transcript.whisperx[5709].text 你就用這一段文字來講就好了
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transcript.whisperx[5711].text 有危害衛生安全之餘
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transcript.whisperx[5715].text 很明白的這段文字
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transcript.whisperx[5716].text 很明白是這樣子啊
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transcript.whisperx[5718].text 台糖來通報
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transcript.whisperx[5720].text 介入當然是好事
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transcript.whisperx[5721].text 但是如果依法論法
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transcript.whisperx[5722].text 你要去裁罰他的時候你就必須看
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transcript.whisperx[5723].text 說他違反的是哪個標準
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transcript.whisperx[5724].text 我們定的標準是
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transcript.whisperx[5725].text 食用油就有標準
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transcript.whisperx[5726].text 並不是脫交原油的標準
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transcript.whisperx[5727].text 所以你現在脫交原油
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transcript.whisperx[5728].text 所以我一直在說嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5729].text 你就是一直把它混在一起
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transcript.whisperx[5730].text 想要扣他解釋就想要推諉謝責
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transcript.whisperx[5733].text 是沒有妥協空間的
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transcript.whisperx[5734].text 可是你們現在一直讓人民感覺
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transcript.whisperx[5735].text 就是你不斷的解釋
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transcript.whisperx[5736].text 還有其他的用途
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transcript.whisperx[5738].text 有別人可能脫交原油是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[5739].text 但是在台糖的案例
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transcript.whisperx[5740].text 他就是要拿來做大多沙拉油
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transcript.whisperx[5742].text 所以他拿回去的都是
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transcript.whisperx[5743].text 他符合他的運送標準的
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transcript.whisperx[5745].text 他發現了原料有問題
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transcript.whisperx[5746].text 剛剛你那句話就講了
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transcript.whisperx[5747].text 他就要去通報主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[5749].text 就像黃豆
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transcript.whisperx[5750].text 真正的原料是黃豆
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transcript.whisperx[5751].text 黃豆我們沒有定本便宜標準
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transcript.whisperx[5753].text 食品業者於發現原料
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transcript.whisperx[5755].text 危害衛生安全之餘時
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transcript.whisperx[5756].text 應主動停止製造加工販賣及辦理回收並通報主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[5757].text 這句話到底哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[5758].text 你可以一直這樣子解釋
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transcript.whisperx[5761].text 針對的是食用油脂
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transcript.whisperx[5763].text 並不是原料標準
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transcript.whisperx[5765].text 蔡主任檢察官好
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transcript.whisperx[5766].text 部長 二個法務部的代表
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transcript.whisperx[5767].text 主任檢察官 我想請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[5769].text 在八月三日的所有公開表示
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transcript.whisperx[5770].text 通報不是行政機關的會是法律明定的義務
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transcript.whisperx[5773].text 而是有法不依
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transcript.whisperx[5774].text 或以行政解釋架空法律
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transcript.whisperx[5775].text 我剛剛全部的部會
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transcript.whisperx[5776].text 這樣問完之後各自解釋
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transcript.whisperx[5777].text 那也連媒體聯合報社論
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transcript.whisperx[5778].text 也說這一巴掌是打在
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transcript.whisperx[5779].text 衛福部跟經濟部的臉上
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transcript.whisperx[5782].text 這兩句話
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transcript.whisperx[5783].text 站在你的立場 法務部同不同意
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transcript.whisperx[5784].text 我想說應該是
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transcript.whisperx[5786].text 都會有他自己的解讀
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transcript.whisperx[5787].text 那你同不同意他的這個說法
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transcript.whisperx[5788].text 對於個案裁罰的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5791].text 那法務部你同不同意剛剛這個陳宏達
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transcript.whisperx[5794].text 所以你不回答
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transcript.whisperx[5795].text 同意或不同意 那第二個
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transcript.whisperx[5797].text 裁定收押中聯廠長的理由
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transcript.whisperx[5798].text 就是他5月接獲台糖通知
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transcript.whisperx[5799].text 超標卻未通報
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transcript.whisperx[5801].text 原料由依法免通報
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transcript.whisperx[5803].text 偵查進行中
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transcript.whisperx[5804].text 行政機關發表跟這個
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transcript.whisperx[5805].text 法院裁定理由相反的法律解釋
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transcript.whisperx[5809].text 依部會的新聞稿和臉書貼文
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transcript.whisperx[5813].text 依法偵辦
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transcript.whisperx[5827].text 其實同一批驗出
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transcript.whisperx[5828].text 一級之來超標的
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transcript.whisperx[5829].text 這些有啊
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transcript.whisperx[5830].text 在大家看起來
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transcript.whisperx[5831].text 就是有三種說法 一下子他到底是不是
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transcript.whisperx[5839].text 到尾也不敢說他到底是不是
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transcript.whisperx[5851].text 卻沒有主動通報 這其實
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transcript.whisperx[5852].text 是一件很
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transcript.whisperx[5853].text 未來真的是一個很大的問題
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transcript.whisperx[5854].text 所以今天一定要特別提出來 而且
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transcript.whisperx[5855].text 不應該由行政機關
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transcript.whisperx[5856].text 自己好像隨便可以
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transcript.whisperx[5857].text 做這個解釋 我們已經說了
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transcript.whisperx[5858].text 連主任檢察官
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transcript.whisperx[5859].text 這樣子的高檢署的主任檢察官
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transcript.whisperx[5860].text 都認為這個通報是義務
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transcript.whisperx[5861].text 不是恩惠 我認為這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[5862].text 真的讓人民看到
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transcript.whisperx[5863].text 是各部會都在幫忙觀
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transcript.whisperx[5864].text 觀賞互推諉謝者 這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[5865].text 一直在違背過去大家
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transcript.whisperx[5866].text 對於食品安全認為說對於
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transcript.whisperx[5867].text 人民食品安全的最高標準
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transcript.whisperx[5868].text 就是零容忍 好 以上謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[5869].text 好 接下來請土泉籍委員
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transcript.whisperx[5870].text 好 謝謝主席 那請石部長
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transcript.whisperx[5871].text 跟我們江署長 請石部長
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transcript.whisperx[5872].text 江署長
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transcript.whisperx[5873].text 土泉好
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transcript.whisperx[5874].text 好 部長 那因為這幾天
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transcript.whisperx[5875].text 我們地檢署查到
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transcript.whisperx[5876].text 原來台糖早在今年
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transcript.whisperx[5877].text 五月份就採樣驗出
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transcript.whisperx[5878].text 中年出油
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transcript.whisperx[5879].text 含有本便比一級致癌物
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transcript.whisperx[5880].text 超標七倍 那我相信今天
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transcript.whisperx[5881].text 大部分都是引到這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[5882].text 在討論 那請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[5883].text 部長 那經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[5884].text 他現在
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transcript.whisperx[5885].text 跳出來護航說
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transcript.whisperx[5886].text 台電買的是出油
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transcript.whisperx[5887].text 還沒有精煉過
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transcript.whisperx[5888].text 所以不是產品
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transcript.whisperx[5889].text 沒有通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[5890].text 那部長認同這個說法嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5891].text 當然我們對於這個
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transcript.whisperx[5892].text 食安我們希望全民
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transcript.whisperx[5893].text 監督啦 所以來鼓勵通報
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transcript.whisperx[5894].text 這個都是我們樂見的
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transcript.whisperx[5895].text 不過如果回到
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transcript.whisperx[5896].text 這個裁罰的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5897].text 那麼是不是強制通報的
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transcript.whisperx[5898].text 義務通報人 那我們就得回到
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transcript.whisperx[5899].text 法條 那麼我們所訂的
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transcript.whisperx[5900].text 這個本便比
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transcript.whisperx[5901].text 2.0PPB是
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transcript.whisperx[5902].text 針對實用油脂所訂出來
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transcript.whisperx[5903].text 不是對原料
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transcript.whisperx[5904].text 也不是對
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transcript.whisperx[5905].text 這個脫膠原油去訂標準
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transcript.whisperx[5906].text 所以如果依法論法
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transcript.whisperx[5907].text 要裁罰的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5908].text 那當然這個台糖
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transcript.whisperx[5909].text 他所拿到的
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transcript.whisperx[5910].text 或者是他驗出的是脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[5911].text 並沒有現在的這個
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transcript.whisperx[5912].text 安全標準的規定 所以他當然
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transcript.whisperx[5913].text 依法論法來講
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transcript.whisperx[5914].text 那當然他是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[5915].text 這個強制通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[5916].text 所以你認為說
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transcript.whisperx[5917].text 他不是產品
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transcript.whisperx[5918].text 他目前只是原料
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transcript.whisperx[5919].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[5920].text 他是中間
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transcript.whisperx[5921].text 他從黃豆進來
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transcript.whisperx[5922].text 到做成實用油品之間
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transcript.whisperx[5923].text 中間的中間產品
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transcript.whisperx[5924].text 黃豆煉出來的初油
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transcript.whisperx[5925].text 然後他還要經過脫酸
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transcript.whisperx[5926].text 脫色脫臭
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transcript.whisperx[5927].text 才會變成實用油脂
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transcript.whisperx[5928].text 所以最終的產品還沒有做完
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transcript.whisperx[5929].text 這個半成品
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transcript.whisperx[5930].text 那就是原料 準備要去做別的東西
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transcript.whisperx[5931].text 那所以
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transcript.whisperx[5932].text 所以
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transcript.whisperx[5933].text 所以聽剛剛部長講
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transcript.whisperx[5934].text 部長那時候也有講
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transcript.whisperx[5935].text 外界要求開法
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transcript.whisperx[5936].text 是邏輯死亡
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transcript.whisperx[5937].text 所以部長也認為
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transcript.whisperx[5938].text 嚴格講起來 如果以法條來講
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transcript.whisperx[5939].text 台糖是沒有責任
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transcript.whisperx[5940].text 缺失 所以不需要開法
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transcript.whisperx[5941].text 你剛剛講的意思就是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[5942].text 他並沒有違反這個
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transcript.whisperx[5943].text 食安法第七條的規定
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transcript.whisperx[5944].text 所以部長認為是
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transcript.whisperx[5945].text 沒有責任缺失 不需要開法
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transcript.whisperx[5946].text 那我們直接看一下
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transcript.whisperx[5947].text 我們食藥署在2025年
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transcript.whisperx[5948].text 10月份我們有
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transcript.whisperx[5949].text 修訂
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transcript.whisperx[5950].text 應訂定食品安全監測計畫
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transcript.whisperx[5951].text 與辦理檢驗之
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transcript.whisperx[5952].text 食品業者最低檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[5953].text 週期及其他相關
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transcript.whisperx[5954].text 事項 在修正
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transcript.whisperx[5955].text 公告問答級裡面
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transcript.whisperx[5956].text 我們有去看了一下
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transcript.whisperx[5957].text 在應辦理檢驗之食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[5958].text 最低檢驗週期
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transcript.whisperx[5959].text 及其他相關事項
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transcript.whisperx[5960].text 裡面有強制檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[5961].text 它是共通性問題裡面
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transcript.whisperx[5962].text 我們把裡面問答級的
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transcript.whisperx[5963].text Q2跟Q8
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transcript.whisperx[5964].text 連起來看
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transcript.whisperx[5965].text 我們看一下 Q2它明訂
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transcript.whisperx[5966].text 資本額3000萬以上的
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transcript.whisperx[5967].text 實用油紙製造工廠
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transcript.whisperx[5968].text 針對原油 出製原油
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transcript.whisperx[5969].text 原料 針對原料
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transcript.whisperx[5970].text 出製原油 直接供
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transcript.whisperx[5971].text 食用之粗炸原油及
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transcript.whisperx[5972].text 精製油等階段
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transcript.whisperx[5973].text 每半年必須強制
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transcript.whisperx[5974].text 檢驗 這個沒問題
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transcript.whisperx[5975].text 這都你們自己回覆的
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transcript.whisperx[5976].text 那在Q8也明訂
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transcript.whisperx[5977].text 如果強制檢驗報告
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transcript.whisperx[5978].text 的檢驗結果不符
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transcript.whisperx[5979].text 規定 業者因採取
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transcript.whisperx[5980].text 有效改善措施
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transcript.whisperx[5981].text 做成紀錄
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transcript.whisperx[5982].text 並依食安法第七條第五項
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transcript.whisperx[5983].text 規定 於發現產品
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transcript.whisperx[5984].text 有危害衛生安全
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transcript.whisperx[5985].text 之餘時
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transcript.whisperx[5986].text 應通報主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[5989].text 之餘時
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transcript.whisperx[5990].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[5991].text 所以因為你們這一部分
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transcript.whisperx[5992].text 你們一直說 因為它是產品
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transcript.whisperx[5993].text 產品才要通知
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transcript.whisperx[5994].text 那如果原料在這邊是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[5995].text 包含 所以是產品才要通知
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transcript.whisperx[5996].text 但是不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5997].text 因為我們這個有
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transcript.whisperx[5998].text 訂安全標準
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transcript.whisperx[6000].text 訂的安全標準 那它就
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transcript.whisperx[6001].text 通報就是超出我們
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transcript.whisperx[6003].text 因為你們前面 我有聽
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transcript.whisperx[6004].text 你們一直針對就是說產品
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transcript.whisperx[6006].text 可是後來我們又查了一下
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transcript.whisperx[6007].text 今天
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transcript.whisperx[6009].text 2024年3月11號
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transcript.whisperx[6010].text 食藥署自己發布的新聞稿
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transcript.whisperx[6011].text 那我再說一遍 今天很多委員都有提
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transcript.whisperx[6012].text 說食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[6013].text 在發現原料或產品
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transcript.whisperx[6015].text 之餘時 要通報主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[6016].text 所以
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transcript.whisperx[6024].text 不是產品 也包含原料
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transcript.whisperx[6025].text 那當然還有另外一個喔
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transcript.whisperx[6026].text 在三天以後
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transcript.whisperx[6028].text 行政院食安辦公室
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transcript.whisperx[6029].text 自己也說
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transcript.whisperx[6030].text 食品業者要加強自主管理
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transcript.whisperx[6031].text 確認原料安全性
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transcript.whisperx[6032].text 確認原料安全性
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transcript.whisperx[6033].text 同時如果有異常
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transcript.whisperx[6034].text 就因主動通報機關
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transcript.whisperx[6035].text 所以這個是
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transcript.whisperx[6037].text 我們自己對外
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transcript.whisperx[6038].text 發的新聞稿
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transcript.whisperx[6039].text 這一部分沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[6042].text 原料的部分你們也都認同
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transcript.whisperx[6043].text 就是應該要通報
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transcript.whisperx[6045].text 那為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[6046].text 到台糖這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[6047].text 就轉彎
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transcript.whisperx[6048].text 原料不用通報
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transcript.whisperx[6049].text 還是跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[6053].text 那不得添加
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transcript.whisperx[6054].text 是沒有標準的 是零檢出的
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transcript.whisperx[6056].text 這個是為了確保
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transcript.whisperx[6057].text 從上游到下游所有的
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transcript.whisperx[6058].text 食品加工鏈的安全
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transcript.whisperx[6059].text 這個是 我相信
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transcript.whisperx[6060].text 這個委員也是認同的
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transcript.whisperx[6062].text 安全標準的
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transcript.whisperx[6063].text 而我們訂的安全標準
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transcript.whisperx[6064].text 訂的是食用油脂
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transcript.whisperx[6065].text 不是在中間的產品
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transcript.whisperx[6067].text 所以他當然依法而言
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transcript.whisperx[6070].text 不得添加的
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transcript.whisperx[6071].text 不論你在原料不論你在產品
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transcript.whisperx[6072].text 因為他會存在
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transcript.whisperx[6073].text 這個是不得是零檢出的
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transcript.whisperx[6075].text 所以部長我請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[6076].text 這個黃豆
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transcript.whisperx[6077].text 他炸出這個出油
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transcript.whisperx[6079].text 是正常的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[6080].text 你們聽起來好像
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transcript.whisperx[6081].text 反正有含也沒關係
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transcript.whisperx[6082].text 因為黃豆本身可能就會
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transcript.whisperx[6083].text 帶有這個本篇筆
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transcript.whisperx[6084].text 所以他做出來之後
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transcript.whisperx[6085].text 他需要再經過後面的
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transcript.whisperx[6086].text 脫酸脫色脫臭去把它下降
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transcript.whisperx[6088].text 要去監測他的道理在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[6089].text 那其他的
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transcript.whisperx[6090].text 除了這批黃豆
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transcript.whisperx[6091].text 會有
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transcript.whisperx[6096].text 那本篇筆是高低的問題
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transcript.whisperx[6098].text 一點幾
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transcript.whisperx[6100].text 所以才是說他要透過
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transcript.whisperx[6104].text 有機物裡面就會存在
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transcript.whisperx[6106].text 下降到我們
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transcript.whisperx[6107].text 合格的安全標準以下
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transcript.whisperx[6108].text 所以台糖驗到
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transcript.whisperx[6111].text 難道他覺得這是正常的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[6112].text 他認為超出他的
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transcript.whisperx[6113].text 驗收標準他就不予允收
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transcript.whisperx[6114].text 這個是他的標準
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transcript.whisperx[6115].text 他自己定的標準
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transcript.whisperx[6116].text 所以其實不講
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transcript.whisperx[6118].text 其實我們今天為什麼會講
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transcript.whisperx[6119].text 後來一直收集之後
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transcript.whisperx[6120].text 結果我們發現
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transcript.whisperx[6121].text 原料你們自己當初也發新聞稿
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transcript.whisperx[6123].text 也說原料
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transcript.whisperx[6124].text 只要有超過就要通報
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transcript.whisperx[6128].text 說原料原料也含有
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transcript.whisperx[6131].text 倍之多
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transcript.whisperx[6132].text 這麼嚴重
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transcript.whisperx[6133].text 台糖就
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transcript.whisperx[6134].text 當做沒事一樣
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transcript.whisperx[6135].text 就退回去
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transcript.whisperx[6139].text 今天這麼多的
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transcript.whisperx[6140].text 問題是不是我們
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transcript.whisperx[6143].text 好好的監督
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transcript.whisperx[6144].text 我們制定了相關的規定
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transcript.whisperx[6145].text 要求地方去查核
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transcript.whisperx[6146].text 所以真正在
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transcript.whisperx[6149].text 這個是地方的權責
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transcript.whisperx[6150].text 當然我們也會協助地方
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transcript.whisperx[6153].text 專案的稽查的
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transcript.whisperx[6159].text 今天這個案子最重要就是中聯
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transcript.whisperx[6174].text 看到的我們這些問答集
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transcript.whisperx[6175].text 裡面原料出自原
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transcript.whisperx[6176].text 有直接供食用
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transcript.whisperx[6178].text 他每半年就要做一次的
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transcript.whisperx[6183].text 查到
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transcript.whisperx[6223].text 食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[6228].text 還有他問答級的規定
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transcript.whisperx[6229].text 上面都寫得很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[6232].text 還有我們食安辦公室的對外新聞稿
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transcript.whisperx[6233].text 台電就是要通報
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transcript.whisperx[6236].text 裡面要求在不同的節點
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transcript.whisperx[6237].text 去檢驗這個是在
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transcript.whisperx[6240].text 當中可以提早的
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transcript.whisperx[6243].text 的措施來確保最後
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transcript.whisperx[6247].text 通報是針對我們
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transcript.whisperx[6249].text 安全標準超標的時候
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transcript.whisperx[6251].text 所以這個權利義務是不一樣的
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transcript.whisperx[6254].text 他們這些都是屬於三千萬以上的廠
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transcript.whisperx[6267].text 然後南橋因為這樣子被罰
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transcript.whisperx[6268].text 台糖你講了一大堆
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transcript.whisperx[6270].text 可是他就沒通報
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transcript.whisperx[6271].text 就有另外一番說法
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transcript.whisperx[6277].text 他這個本來
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transcript.whisperx[6278].text 他今天收到
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transcript.whisperx[6282].text 都不用通報
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transcript.whisperx[6285].text 食安這麼嚴重的問題
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transcript.whisperx[6286].text 結果不用通報
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transcript.whisperx[6287].text 現在爆發這麼多問題
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transcript.whisperx[6289].text 檢驗出來早就知道結果不用通報
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transcript.whisperx[6297].text 居然後來身為主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[6298].text 還配合他們
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transcript.whisperx[6301].text 這個中聯的會有高
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transcript.whisperx[6302].text 我們在調查報告也寫得很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[6303].text 他的品質原料的品質的控管
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transcript.whisperx[6304].text 跟後端有沒有具以
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transcript.whisperx[6305].text 調整參數
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transcript.whisperx[6307].text 甚至是檢驗的頻率
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transcript.whisperx[6308].text 這個都是我們在調查報告裡面
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transcript.whisperx[6309].text 已經提出來
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transcript.whisperx[6311].text 那也作為其他業者的一個參考
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transcript.whisperx[6312].text 所以我想這個是
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transcript.whisperx[6313].text 並進
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transcript.whisperx[6314].text 互相之間是沒有什麼相悖
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transcript.whisperx[6315].text 一個是我們訂的
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transcript.whisperx[6318].text 這個是一回事
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transcript.whisperx[6321].text 從源頭
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transcript.whisperx[6323].text 通報
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transcript.whisperx[6324].text 這個又是另外一個
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transcript.whisperx[6325].text 同樣重要要去要求
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transcript.whisperx[6327].text 都已經提出來了
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transcript.whisperx[6330].text 其實我相信也很多國人
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transcript.whisperx[6331].text 一直都有在看我們的質詢
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transcript.whisperx[6334].text 我相信民眾應該心中自有一把尺
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transcript.whisperx[6335].text 那我們認為
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transcript.whisperx[6336].text 食安法本來就是應該要
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transcript.whisperx[6359].text 標準來去審視
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transcript.whisperx[6370].text 這個訊息居然沒有選擇通報
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transcript.whisperx[6378].text 詢答完畢後
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transcript.whisperx[6406].text 實施衛生管理及食品安全管制系統
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transcript.whisperx[6408].text 我們就可以看得出來
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transcript.whisperx[6420].text 你們的調查報告說
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transcript.whisperx[6421].text 他們
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transcript.whisperx[6432].text 這是我講過的
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transcript.whisperx[6433].text 但是呢
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transcript.whisperx[6434].text 它並不是只是如此而已
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transcript.whisperx[6473].text 產品大家都吃下肚
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transcript.whisperx[6496].text 這個重大的風險
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transcript.whisperx[6526].text 已經都來不及了
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transcript.whisperx[6527].text 因為都吃進去了
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transcript.whisperx[6528].text 一次又一次都是吃完了
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transcript.whisperx[6529].text 才在說
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transcript.whisperx[6530].text 你可以退貨
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transcript.whisperx[6531].text 你可以退款
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transcript.whisperx[6532].text 吃進去了
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transcript.whisperx[6535].text 所以我在這裡講清楚
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transcript.whisperx[6536].text 這個問題不是限縮在台糖一間公司
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transcript.whisperx[6537].text 要怎麼做而已
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transcript.whisperx[6538].text 也不是說台糖這個案子
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transcript.whisperx[6539].text 要不要通報
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transcript.whisperx[6540].text 有沒有通報義務
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transcript.whisperx[6541].text 我們要講是
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transcript.whisperx[6542].text 問題有品
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transcript.whisperx[6543].text 有沒有實際進入台糖工廠
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transcript.whisperx[6544].text 重大的訊號就已經出現了
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transcript.whisperx[6545].text 為什麼主管機關沒有同步掌握
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transcript.whisperx[6546].text 今天是本篇評論
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transcript.whisperx[6547].text 明天有可能是種金屬
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transcript.whisperx[6548].text 農藥殘留
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transcript.whisperx[6549].text 塑化劑
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transcript.whisperx[6550].text 黃麴毒素
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transcript.whisperx[6551].text 或是其他污染物
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transcript.whisperx[6552].text 只要制度面
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transcript.whisperx[6553].text 仍然只看到產品有沒有進貨
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transcript.whisperx[6554].text 所有權有沒有移轉
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transcript.whisperx[6555].text 我沒有買
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transcript.whisperx[6556].text 還在他那裡
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transcript.whisperx[6557].text 業者有沒有製成自己的產品
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transcript.whisperx[6558].text 如果只是制度面
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transcript.whisperx[6559].text 現在的只看到這個
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transcript.whisperx[6560].text 那麼主管機關就會
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transcript.whisperx[6561].text 看不到供應鏈前端
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transcript.whisperx[6562].text 已經出現的風險訊號
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transcript.whisperx[6563].text 所以我再講一遍就是說
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transcript.whisperx[6564].text 選法管制的精神
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transcript.whisperx[6565].text 人民想要的制度
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transcript.whisperx[6566].text 就是在成為產品以前
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transcript.whisperx[6567].text 供應鏈的前端
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transcript.whisperx[6568].text 就已經出現了風險的訊號
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transcript.whisperx[6569].text 我們要怎麼來設計成
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transcript.whisperx[6570].text 政府一定要就馬上介入和管制
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transcript.whisperx[6571].text 食安制度不能靠吹哨者
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transcript.whisperx[6572].text 當最後一道防線
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transcript.whisperx[6573].text 那都已經來不及
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transcript.whisperx[6574].text 真正的預警制度
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transcript.whisperx[6575].text 應該是重大的異常
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transcript.whisperx[6576].text 發現了
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transcript.whisperx[6577].text 還停留在供應鏈內部的時候
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transcript.whisperx[6578].text 你就要掌握資訊
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transcript.whisperx[6579].text 交叉比對
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transcript.whisperx[6580].text 採取行政措施
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transcript.whisperx[6581].text 而不是等到爆發以後
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transcript.whisperx[6582].text 才來究責
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transcript.whisperx[6583].text 所以我再講一次
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transcript.whisperx[6584].text 台糖不只是
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transcript.whisperx[6585].text 有沒有現行通報的義務的問題
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transcript.whisperx[6586].text 而是在於現行的制度
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transcript.whisperx[6587].text 根本沒有確保
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transcript.whisperx[6588].text 重大風險資訊
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transcript.whisperx[6589].text 能夠立即及時的進入主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[6590].text 這個東西很重要
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transcript.whisperx[6591].text 那食安管理更不能只看產品
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transcript.whisperx[6592].text 這個原料的所有權是誰
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transcript.whisperx[6593].text 還要看誰要負責掌握風險的資訊
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transcript.whisperx[6595].text 我們也在這一次修法裡面提出
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transcript.whisperx[6596].text 要強化那個HACCP的功能
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transcript.whisperx[6597].text 包含
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transcript.whisperx[6598].text 他進場去查這個HACCP的過程
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transcript.whisperx[6599].text 不是只有看文件
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transcript.whisperx[6600].text 他還要做
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transcript.whisperx[6601].text 這個我上一次質詢過了
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transcript.whisperx[6602].text 現在的HACCP
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transcript.whisperx[6603].text 沒有淪為紙上作業造假成為常態
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transcript.whisperx[6604].text 根本台灣不存在HACCP制度了
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transcript.whisperx[6605].text 老實說
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transcript.whisperx[6606].text 就現行的執行
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transcript.whisperx[6607].text 屠法不足以自行嘛
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transcript.whisperx[6608].text 就現行有的法律在那裡
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transcript.whisperx[6609].text 但是執行面所有HACCP業者
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transcript.whisperx[6610].text 我可以在這裡大膽的假設啦
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transcript.whisperx[6611].text 沒有人在執行管制的啦
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transcript.whisperx[6612].text HACCP都做假的啦
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transcript.whisperx[6613].text 我現在說
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transcript.whisperx[6614].text 屠法不足以自行啊
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transcript.whisperx[6615].text 屠法不足以自行啊
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transcript.whisperx[6616].text 現在要怎樣
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transcript.whisperx[6617].text 以台糖為例啦
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transcript.whisperx[6618].text 我們當然知道他跟中聯
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transcript.whisperx[6619].text 跟南僑太三福壽
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transcript.whisperx[6620].text 他們的責任當然是不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[6621].text 但是
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transcript.whisperx[6622].text 他們遇到了知道了這一個風險
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transcript.whisperx[6623].text 還是存在在那裡啊
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transcript.whisperx[6624].text 所以
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transcript.whisperx[6625].text 誰要負責去掌握公共食安風險的資訊
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transcript.whisperx[6626].text 誰要負責
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transcript.whisperx[6627].text 誰要負責起來
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transcript.whisperx[6628].text 今天剪出的本評比14.7
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transcript.whisperx[6629].text 已經不是
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transcript.whisperx[6630].text 不是單純買賣雙方
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transcript.whisperx[6631].text 要不要交貨的問題耶
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transcript.whisperx[6632].text 而是共食品製造使用的原料
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transcript.whisperx[6633].text 出現重大的汙染訊號了
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transcript.whisperx[6634].text 那這個訊號沒有進入主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[6636].text 有沒有精煉
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transcript.whisperx[6637].text 有沒有混屁
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transcript.whisperx[6638].text 有沒有轉賣掉
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transcript.whisperx[6639].text 都不知道啊
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transcript.whisperx[6640].text 因為都不知道嘛
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transcript.whisperx[6641].text 所以在這個過程會變成有一個
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transcript.whisperx[6642].text 另一種假設的狀況是
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transcript.whisperx[6643].text 我們第七條第五項通報義務是說
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transcript.whisperx[6644].text 自己的產品自己管
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transcript.whisperx[6645].text 可是呢
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transcript.whisperx[6646].text 有一種狀況是
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transcript.whisperx[6648].text 都已經知道了
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transcript.whisperx[6649].text 但也沒有收貨
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transcript.whisperx[6650].text 就是台黨這種狀況嘛
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transcript.whisperx[6652].text 尚未收貨
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transcript.whisperx[6653].text 現行法
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transcript.whisperx[6654].text 管不到
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transcript.whisperx[6655].text 那這個風險怎麼辦
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transcript.whisperx[6656].text 我們今天就是要來補這個洞啊
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transcript.whisperx[6657].text 保定
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transcript.whisperx[6658].text 今天
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transcript.whisperx[6659].text 就是要來補這個洞
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transcript.whisperx[6660].text 這個食安法的最核心風險都在業者手上
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transcript.whisperx[6661].text 主管機關你都不知道耶
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transcript.whisperx[6662].text 台黨不是這批有的製造者
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transcript.whisperx[6663].text 也不是收貨者
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transcript.whisperx[6664].text 也不是後續的加工者
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transcript.whisperx[6665].text 可是台黨掌握了中聯311號油槽14.7PBB
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transcript.whisperx[6666].text 這個重大的污染的資訊
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transcript.whisperx[6667].text 這個資訊就不能只限縮在是台黨
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transcript.whisperx[6669].text 這是足以影響整個使用油紙供應鏈的
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transcript.whisperx[6675].text 所有權是誰的
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transcript.whisperx[6676].text 只要你掌握了供應鏈中
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transcript.whisperx[6678].text 即便你沒有買
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transcript.whisperx[6679].text 沒有收貨
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transcript.whisperx[6685].text 這個通報的擴大
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transcript.whisperx[6686].text 第一個是
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transcript.whisperx[6687].text 這個現在食安法第七條
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transcript.whisperx[6688].text 產品的異常才通報
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transcript.whisperx[6689].text 擴大到原料
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transcript.whisperx[6690].text 半成品
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transcript.whisperx[6716].text 重大異常事件的鈔標
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transcript.whisperx[6717].text 只要拒收退貨
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transcript.whisperx[6720].text 現在法是要這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[6723].text 這一次要補吧
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transcript.whisperx[6737].text 比對同來人的流向
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transcript.whisperx[6770].text 需不需要
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transcript.whisperx[6778].text 八年沒驗一次
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transcript.whisperx[6809].text 就要啟動封存
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transcript.whisperx[6810].text 據說就要追查加密檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[6811].text 或是限制流向的起點
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transcript.whisperx[6812].text 我們是希望制度是應該要這樣才對
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transcript.whisperx[6813].text 如果沒有這樣的話
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transcript.whisperx[6814].text 據說異常資訊
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transcript.whisperx[6815].text 他就會仍然會不斷地歷史都會重演
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transcript.whisperx[6816].text
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transcript.whisperx[6817].text 據說要通報
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transcript.whisperx[6818].text 然後要啟動政府的責任
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transcript.whisperx[6819].text 很重要為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[6820].text 這個東西為什麼要專職專責的業務承辦員
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transcript.whisperx[6821].text 因為未來也有可能
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transcript.whisperx[6822].text 如果未來一家如品廠
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transcript.whisperx[6823].text 在供應商端驗出原料奶重大污染
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transcript.whisperx[6824].text 他據說
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transcript.whisperx[6825].text 他只是據說他產品安全了
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transcript.whisperx[6826].text 可是被據說那一批原料會流到哪裡去不知道
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transcript.whisperx[6827].text 如果一家應用的食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[6828].text 在供應商端驗出大宗的原料重金屬鈔標
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transcript.whisperx[6829].text 只是據說
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transcript.whisperx[6830].text 據說
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transcript.whisperx[6831].text 退貨
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transcript.whisperx[6832].text 這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[6833].text 只是他沒有
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transcript.whisperx[6834].text 但那一個原料還會再賣給別人
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transcript.whisperx[6835].text 如果使用油脂這一次類似這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[6836].text 只是據說
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transcript.whisperx[6837].text 主管機關不知道
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transcript.whisperx[6838].text 這個原料還停留在中聯
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transcript.whisperx[6839].text 等待下一個買方
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transcript.whisperx[6840].text 下一個買方沒有像台南這麼高標準
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transcript.whisperx[6841].text 做成食品大家吃下肚
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transcript.whisperx[6842].text 現行就是這個樣子
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transcript.whisperx[6843].text 所以這絕對不是一個假設的題目
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transcript.whisperx[6844].text 中聯就是這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[6845].text 所以未來的修法我們就是講說
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transcript.whisperx[6846].text 據說退貨通報
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transcript.whisperx[6847].text 就是主管機關要去介入
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transcript.whisperx[6848].text 確認封存流向後續處理
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transcript.whisperx[6849].text 在這種狀況裡面
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transcript.whisperx[6850].text 我們政府的責任就來了
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transcript.whisperx[6851].text 所以我們這一次我們要再講一遍
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transcript.whisperx[6852].text 整個最上游的少數壟斷的廠商的原料供應的
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transcript.whisperx[6853].text 這一些食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[6854].text HACCP制度也沒有在做
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transcript.whisperx[6855].text 也沒有在遵守
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transcript.whisperx[6856].text 食安法的管理也有制度面的漏洞
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transcript.whisperx[6857].text 但是呢
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transcript.whisperx[6858].text 我們在這個裡面
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transcript.whisperx[6859].text 我們
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transcript.whisperx[6860].text 一定要開始
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transcript.whisperx[6861].text 要把自主管理制度收回
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transcript.whisperx[6862].text 我再強調一次
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transcript.whisperx[6863].text 以前都是叫業者自主管理
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transcript.whisperx[6864].text 包括HACCP制度也是叫業者自主管理
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transcript.whisperx[6865].text 我們從現在開始
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transcript.whisperx[6866].text 要把業者自主管理收回來
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transcript.whisperx[6867].text 改成高度的政府監管
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transcript.whisperx[6868].text 部長你同意嗎
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transcript.whisperx[6870].text 更高程度的這個管理
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transcript.whisperx[6871].text 這個是我們絕對會支持
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transcript.whisperx[6872].text 所以在這一次的修法裡面
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transcript.whisperx[6873].text 也要求了很多強制性的
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transcript.whisperx[6874].text 更高程度的管理
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transcript.whisperx[6875].text 到底是要政府管理
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transcript.whisperx[6876].text 還是業者自己管理
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transcript.whisperx[6877].text 包含了外部的專業人員的管理介入
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transcript.whisperx[6878].text 我現在告訴你喔
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transcript.whisperx[6879].text 沒有所謂的
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transcript.whisperx[6880].text 有良心的業者啦
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transcript.whisperx[6881].text 我現在告訴你沒有這一回事啦
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transcript.whisperx[6882].text 就這個制度面喔
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transcript.whisperx[6883].text 你去好好的想一下
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transcript.whisperx[6884].text 我認為啦
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transcript.whisperx[6885].text 沒有所謂的有道德有良知的業者啦
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transcript.whisperx[6886].text 只有法律怎麼規定
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transcript.whisperx[6887].text 法律是最低的標準
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transcript.whisperx[6888].text 他都可以不遵守了
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transcript.whisperx[6889].text 若你還法律是授權給他們
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transcript.whisperx[6890].text 業者自主管理
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transcript.whisperx[6891].text 那一定是破功
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transcript.whisperx[6892].text 而且食安系統性的風暴
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transcript.whisperx[6893].text 會不斷的上演啦
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transcript.whisperx[6894].text 這是我提醒你的
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transcript.whisperx[6896].text 那就這一次的中聯的
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transcript.whisperx[6897].text 獨有的事件喔
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transcript.whisperx[6898].text 311號油潮
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transcript.whisperx[6899].text 我再提醒你一個
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transcript.whisperx[6900].text 重大的異常不能只追單一交易
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transcript.whisperx[6901].text 應該要啟動同潮或是同傳奇
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transcript.whisperx[6902].text 同來源的橫向警示
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transcript.whisperx[6903].text 未來只要高風險食品原料
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transcript.whisperx[6904].text 在供應商端驗出重大的鈔標
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transcript.whisperx[6905].text 你就要開始要求業者
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transcript.whisperx[6906].text 立即同潮同傳奇
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transcript.whisperx[6907].text 同來源同製整
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transcript.whisperx[6908].text 同批次的完整資料
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transcript.whisperx[6909].text 而並通知可能受影響的買方
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transcript.whisperx[6910].text 檢驗或暫停使用
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transcript.whisperx[6911].text 如果沒有這道橫向的指示
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transcript.whisperx[6912].text 政府會永遠都在等下一個
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transcript.whisperx[6913].text 下游驗出鈔標再回溯去找上游
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transcript.whisperx[6914].text 不能這麼被動啊
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transcript.whisperx[6915].text 他的那個油潮
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transcript.whisperx[6916].text 跟那個油潮同一批貨來的
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transcript.whisperx[6917].text 同一個傳奇的
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transcript.whisperx[6918].text 同一批
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transcript.whisperx[6919].text 練油的
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transcript.whisperx[6920].text 其他的東西
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transcript.whisperx[6921].text 一起查一起驗
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transcript.whisperx[6922].text 你只驗那一潮也不行
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transcript.whisperx[6923].text 只驗那一批也不行
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transcript.whisperx[6924].text 當然你們這次擴大驗了三個月
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transcript.whisperx[6925].text 起屁
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transcript.whisperx[6926].text 一共是30批
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transcript.whisperx[6927].text 不過那個是
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transcript.whisperx[6928].text 他沒有成批啦
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transcript.whisperx[6929].text 他是另外那個是在潮
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transcript.whisperx[6930].text 另外是30批
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transcript.whisperx[6931].text 我現在跟你說的不是同
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transcript.whisperx[6932].text 哪幾批而已
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transcript.whisperx[6933].text 其實同傳奇的啦
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transcript.whisperx[6934].text 同一批來源的啦
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transcript.whisperx[6935].text 其實都是有很大的風險
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transcript.whisperx[6936].text 然後呢
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transcript.whisperx[6937].text 食品雲不能只追產品流向啦
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transcript.whisperx[6939].text 你們現在說
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transcript.whisperx[6940].text 修法要強化數位治理
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transcript.whisperx[6941].text 那你數位治理要治理什麼
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transcript.whisperx[6942].text 你們講的啊
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transcript.whisperx[6943].text 要強化數位治理要治理什麼
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transcript.whisperx[6944].text 當然就是強化他這個
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transcript.whisperx[6945].text 我們剛剛前面的通報啦
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transcript.whisperx[6946].text 包含這個檢驗的通報
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transcript.whisperx[6947].text 我們會把它建立起來
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transcript.whisperx[6948].text 過去的檢驗是沒有直接通報
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transcript.whisperx[6950].text 你們的過去只記錄進貨啦
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transcript.whisperx[6951].text 出貨啦
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transcript.whisperx[6952].text 流向啦
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transcript.whisperx[6953].text 只看得到已經進入供應鏈的資料
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transcript.whisperx[6954].text 然後沒有看到被退貨的
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transcript.whisperx[6955].text 不合格的
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transcript.whisperx[6956].text 風潮採樣的
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transcript.whisperx[6957].text 拒收檢驗異常的
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transcript.whisperx[6958].text 通通都沒有嘛
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transcript.whisperx[6959].text 那看不到他最早的風險訊號嘛
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transcript.whisperx[6960].text 在這種狀況裡面
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transcript.whisperx[6961].text 可是你看到這個風險訊號你知道喔
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transcript.whisperx[6962].text 他都沒有出現在
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transcript.whisperx[6963].text 台糖的生產資料裡面
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transcript.whisperx[6964].text 也不會出現在台糖的產品流向
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transcript.whisperx[6965].text 那也沒有進入台糖的進貨資料
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transcript.whisperx[6966].text 通通都沒有啊
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transcript.whisperx[6967].text 都沒有喔
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transcript.whisperx[6968].text 可是這個油沒有消失啊
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transcript.whisperx[6969].text 這一批油沒有消失吧
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transcript.whisperx[6970].text 它仍然在311油槽裡面
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transcript.whisperx[6971].text 就是說你整個食品雲的制度
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transcript.whisperx[6972].text 只看得到產品的流向
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transcript.whisperx[6973].text 但是看不到重大異常的檢驗結果
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transcript.whisperx[6974].text 如果說
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transcript.whisperx[6975].text 業者在供應商端採樣驗收前檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[6976].text 委託代工檢驗自主檢驗第三方實驗室檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[6977].text 發現重大的超標不合格拒收退貨風潮
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transcript.whisperx[6978].text 暫停存放的訊息
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transcript.whisperx[6979].text 這個就是很重要的內幕的蘋果的資料
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transcript.whisperx[6980].text 但是對我們主管機關而言
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transcript.whisperx[6981].text 這個就是一個風險的警訊
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transcript.whisperx[6982].text 我們都應該要掌握
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transcript.whisperx[6983].text 我不是說所有不合格都要登錄
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transcript.whisperx[6984].text 但是應該強制登錄的是高風險食品業別
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transcript.whisperx[6985].text 重大污染物超過法定標準或達一定倍數
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transcript.whisperx[6986].text 可能影響多家下游的異常結果
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transcript.whisperx[6987].text 在這種狀況裡面
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transcript.whisperx[6988].text 我們要記錄
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transcript.whisperx[6989].text 你們的方向跟我講的方向是一致的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[6990].text 對 就是我們過去在這個登錄的部分是
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transcript.whisperx[6991].text 禁跟出
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transcript.whisperx[6992].text 而且只登錄合格
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transcript.whisperx[6993].text 只登錄合格的禁跟出
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transcript.whisperx[6994].text 對 他就是進入他的加工鏈的
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transcript.whisperx[6995].text 他是合格的
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transcript.whisperx[6996].text 但我希望你們開始要建置
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transcript.whisperx[6997].text 登錄不合格的叫他要登錄出來
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transcript.whisperx[6998].text 我們不能夠只要求業者
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transcript.whisperx[6999].text 把合格的資料給政府看
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transcript.whisperx[7000].text 只登錄合格的資料
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transcript.whisperx[7001].text 真正的風險往往是在於不合格的資料
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transcript.whisperx[7002].text 因為合格資料告訴政府什麼可以出貨
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transcript.whisperx[7003].text 可是不合格的資料告訴你
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transcript.whisperx[7004].text 哪裡可能正要出事了
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transcript.whisperx[7005].text 所以你的食品雲登錄
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transcript.whisperx[7006].text 只要求業者登錄進貨出貨產品流向
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transcript.whisperx[7007].text 沒有納入不合格的重大的異常的檢驗結果
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transcript.whisperx[7008].text 政府永遠慢半拍
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transcript.whisperx[7009].text 人民永遠都要把有毒的吃進去以後
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transcript.whisperx[7010].text 才在那裡氣急敗壞就擇於政府
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transcript.whisperx[7011].text 然後永遠要等下游驗出超標產品
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transcript.whisperx[7012].text 已經進入所有的各個機關、團散、家庭
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transcript.whisperx[7013].text 政府才要回頭追流向查原因
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transcript.whisperx[7014].text 這不是數位治理
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transcript.whisperx[7015].text 而是已經發生的交易記錄電子化而已
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transcript.whisperx[7016].text 所以真正有預警價值的是
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transcript.whisperx[7017].text 要登錄重大異常檢驗資訊
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transcript.whisperx[7018].text 不能讓這個異常檢驗資訊
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transcript.whisperx[7019].text 留在業者手上而已
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transcript.whisperx[7020].text 叫他登錄
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transcript.whisperx[7021].text 但如果他不登錄
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transcript.whisperx[7022].text 我們第三方檢驗出來
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transcript.whisperx[7023].text 或是你的買主給你退貨了也會通報
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transcript.whisperx[7024].text 一樣要通報啊
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transcript.whisperx[7025].text 你會被通報不如你自己主動登錄啊
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transcript.whisperx[7026].text 當你登錄了異常的時候
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transcript.whisperx[7027].text 你主管機關要通知地方政府啊
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transcript.whisperx[7028].text 你對那一批次那一些貨
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transcript.whisperx[7029].text 你要高度的監管
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transcript.whisperx[7030].text 因為他超標很多
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transcript.whisperx[7031].text 最後他怎麼處理安不安全
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transcript.whisperx[7032].text 流向哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[7033].text 政府要給人民交代
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transcript.whisperx[7034].text 我最後再講最後一句就是說
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transcript.whisperx[7035].text 人民的期待是
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transcript.whisperx[7036].text 在架上的
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transcript.whisperx[7037].text 政府都應該是把關過
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transcript.whisperx[7038].text 都是安全的
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transcript.whisperx[7039].text 而現在並不是
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transcript.whisperx[7040].text 我們希望未來都應該要是這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[7041].text 這樣子部長
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transcript.whisperx[7042].text 叫他們不合格異常要登錄
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transcript.whisperx[7043].text 如果你HACCP制度要通報了
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transcript.whisperx[7044].text 如果你的第三方檢驗的實驗室要通報了
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transcript.whisperx[7045].text 如果向台糖買到也要通報了
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transcript.whisperx[7046].text 那也好
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transcript.whisperx[7047].text 登錄對他們來講
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transcript.whisperx[7048].text 是同樣一件事
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transcript.whisperx[7049].text 所以對業者來講沒有壓力了啦
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transcript.whisperx[7050].text 這是越透明越公開
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transcript.whisperx[7051].text 對消費者有保障
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transcript.whisperx[7052].text 但對業者
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transcript.whisperx[7053].text 自己來講也是有保障的啦
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transcript.whisperx[7054].text 不要被人家通報了
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transcript.whisperx[7055].text 再來被處分啦
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transcript.whisperx[7056].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[7057].text 部長你有同意嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7058].text 因為這次我們是要求連這個
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transcript.whisperx[7059].text 自設實驗室的檢驗也要通報
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transcript.whisperx[7060].text 就等於是要登錄
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transcript.whisperx[7061].text 概念是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[7062].text 是沒有錯
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transcript.whisperx[7063].text 所以我們希望所有制度都不是參考用的
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transcript.whisperx[7064].text 你們目前為止HACCP制度
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transcript.whisperx[7065].text 不是只有使用油紙啦
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transcript.whisperx[7066].text HACCP的
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transcript.whisperx[7067].text 符合這個工廠製造HACCP的廠商
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transcript.whisperx[7068].text 有幾間全國
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transcript.whisperx[7069].text 其實HACCP
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transcript.whisperx[7070].text 水瓶廠都是大廠
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transcript.whisperx[7071].text 超級大廠
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transcript.whisperx[7072].text 食藥署署長
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transcript.whisperx[7073].text 所有HACCP
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transcript.whisperx[7074].text 制度的所有食品加工廠
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transcript.whisperx[7075].text 全部都應該
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transcript.whisperx[7076].text 好好的
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transcript.whisperx[7077].text 盤整一次啦
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transcript.whisperx[7078].text 造假的
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transcript.whisperx[7079].text 百分之百
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transcript.whisperx[7080].text 很多啦
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transcript.whisperx[7081].text 很多啦
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transcript.whisperx[7082].text 虛擬偽儀啦
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transcript.whisperx[7083].text 書面作業啦
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transcript.whisperx[7084].text 不是真正的HACCP啦
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transcript.whisperx[7085].text 好謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[7086].text 好謝謝委員
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transcript.whisperx[7087].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[7088].text 好 抱歉我再問最後一句
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transcript.whisperx[7089].text 一個啦 因為台灣苦茶油的事情
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transcript.whisperx[7090].text 我現在問署長
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transcript.whisperx[7091].text 苦茶油沒有品名標示標準
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transcript.whisperx[7092].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[7093].text 沒有制定品名標示標準
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transcript.whisperx[7094].text 意思是說
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transcript.whisperx[7095].text 苦茶油根本台灣沒有界定什麼叫做苦茶油
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transcript.whisperx[7096].text 沒有嘛
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transcript.whisperx[7097].text 這個部分我們
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transcript.whisperx[7098].text 知道這個要做一些修正
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transcript.whisperx[7099].text 油的部分油品的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7100].text 這些是本品比
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transcript.whisperx[7101].text 沒有不是這樣子啦
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transcript.whisperx[7103].text 台灣沒有
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transcript.whisperx[7104].text 制定什麼叫做苦茶油
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transcript.whisperx[7107].text 所以混油也可以叫做苦茶油
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transcript.whisperx[7108].text 第二個
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transcript.whisperx[7109].text 因為沒有規定
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transcript.whisperx[7110].text 什麼才能夠叫做苦茶油
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transcript.whisperx[7112].text 但是台灣目前沒有
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transcript.whisperx[7114].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[7115].text 苦茶油的混油檢驗方法
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transcript.whisperx[7116].text 報告委員
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transcript.whisperx[7117].text 這個部分的確我們在積極的研議
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transcript.whisperx[7118].text 因為裡面有混甲
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transcript.whisperx[7119].text 混沙拉油大豆油等等
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transcript.whisperx[7120].text 其實它的成分的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7121].text 以目前的檢驗我們有信心
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transcript.whisperx[7122].text 應該是可以開發出來的
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transcript.whisperx[7123].text 好你們現在目前沒有檢驗方法
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transcript.whisperx[7124].text 所以我講這個是什麼意思呢
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transcript.whisperx[7125].text 因為新聞報導
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transcript.whisperx[7126].text 中國的種子來了
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transcript.whisperx[7127].text 檢驗了沒有本品比超標
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transcript.whisperx[7128].text 他是這樣很多報導是這樣講的
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transcript.whisperx[7129].text 他不是驗那個
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transcript.whisperx[7130].text 苦茶籽
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transcript.whisperx[7131].text 他是說做出來的苦茶油沒有超標
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transcript.whisperx[7132].text 對但是有機商店的
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transcript.whisperx[7133].text 永豐宇的都超標啊
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transcript.whisperx[7134].text 產品一樣是最末端的產品都超標啊
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transcript.whisperx[7135].text 我現在不是要講這個啦
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transcript.whisperx[7136].text 我是要跟你講
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transcript.whisperx[7137].text 其實我自己高度的懷疑
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transcript.whisperx[7138].text 是混油啦
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transcript.whisperx[7139].text 真正超標的來源
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transcript.whisperx[7140].text 沒有可能其實是加很多的大豆沙拉油
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transcript.whisperx[7141].text 因為
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transcript.whisperx[7143].text 沒有違法因為法律沒有
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transcript.whisperx[7145].text 現在目前也沒有檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[7146].text 有沒有混油的檢驗方法
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transcript.whisperx[7147].text 沒有
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transcript.whisperx[7148].text 我希望你們要去改善
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transcript.whisperx[7149].text 你們要嚴格管理啦
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transcript.whisperx[7150].text 第三個
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transcript.whisperx[7151].text 我們很多關心
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transcript.whisperx[7152].text 台灣農業的
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transcript.whisperx[7153].text 也有很多委員
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transcript.whisperx[7154].text 在關心的我們希望
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transcript.whisperx[7155].text 原料來源果要標示
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transcript.whisperx[7156].text 這個你們會不會支持
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transcript.whisperx[7157].text 原料來源果
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transcript.whisperx[7158].text 現在的油品的標示有要求
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transcript.whisperx[7159].text 如果你是有混油的
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transcript.whisperx[7160].text 你就不能稱為
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transcript.whisperx[7162].text 沒有你的苦茶油
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transcript.whisperx[7163].text 沒有訂出品名標示標準啊
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transcript.whisperx[7164].text 你哪裡有混油的
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transcript.whisperx[7165].text 調和油這種名稱
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transcript.whisperx[7166].text 這個是通則啊
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transcript.whisperx[7167].text 好來但我不是要講這個
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transcript.whisperx[7168].text 我是講這個是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[7171].text 你要標示原料種子
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transcript.whisperx[7172].text 來自於中國
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transcript.whisperx[7173].text 我是要要求這個
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transcript.whisperx[7174].text 有沒有意見
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transcript.whisperx[7175].text 對原料原產地的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7176].text 我們的確這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[7177].text 原料原產地
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transcript.whisperx[7179].text 這一些原料原產地
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transcript.whisperx[7180].text 要標示來源果
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transcript.whisperx[7181].text 這個是社會高度關注
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transcript.whisperx[7183].text 大家相當關注的
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transcript.whisperx[7184].text 但是我們
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transcript.whisperx[7185].text 這個要
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transcript.whisperx[7186].text 修改要立法
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transcript.whisperx[7187].text 要修法之外
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transcript.whisperx[7188].text 就這樣
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transcript.whisperx[7190].text 包括其他的油品都一樣
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transcript.whisperx[7193].text 沒有檢驗方法
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transcript.whisperx[7194].text 你沒有辦法證明它混油
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transcript.whisperx[7195].text 你說不可以混油
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transcript.whisperx[7196].text 現行的通則就規定不能混
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transcript.whisperx[7198].text 但是你沒有
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transcript.whisperx[7199].text 苦茶油混油的檢驗方法
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transcript.whisperx[7200].text 你怎麼去確認
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transcript.whisperx[7201].text 它的混油
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transcript.whisperx[7202].text 是真的混油
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transcript.whisperx[7203].text 它在那裡
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transcript.whisperx[7204].text 硬拗你怎麼確認
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transcript.whisperx[7205].text 你連檢驗方法都沒有公告
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transcript.whisperx[7206].text 現在也沒辦法檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[7207].text 不是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7208].text 跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[7209].text 當然這個檢驗方法
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transcript.whisperx[7210].text 現在食藥署在積極的開發
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transcript.whisperx[7211].text 去驗它關於它的
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transcript.whisperx[7212].text 脂肪酸的比例
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transcript.whisperx[7214].text 不過我們現在在查的時候
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transcript.whisperx[7215].text 是根據它的原料的
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transcript.whisperx[7216].text 採購證明
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transcript.whisperx[7217].text 你們現在要證明它是中國原料
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transcript.whisperx[7218].text 還是在地
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transcript.whisperx[7219].text 但是本篇比的
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transcript.whisperx[7220].text 能加中國原料製成的苦茶油
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transcript.whisperx[7221].text 就是有好幾批
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transcript.whisperx[7222].text 驗出來沒有超標
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transcript.whisperx[7223].text 我不是替中國總指講話
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transcript.whisperx[7224].text 我是要告訴你
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transcript.whisperx[7225].text 真正有可能風險的來源
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transcript.whisperx[7226].text 是來自於混油
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transcript.whisperx[7228].text 在中聯你們公布那有問題的
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transcript.whisperx[7229].text 批次流向的時候
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transcript.whisperx[7230].text 就很多自由工廠
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transcript.whisperx[7231].text 買了很多大豆沙拉油
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transcript.whisperx[7232].text 這個是事實
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transcript.whisperx[7234].text 也有人買大豆沙拉油
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transcript.whisperx[7235].text 所以混油你們一直都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[7238].text 我也可以理解因為你們也沒有
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transcript.whisperx[7239].text 檢驗的方法
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transcript.whisperx[7240].text 所以對你們來講是一個非常困難的
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transcript.whisperx[7241].text 那過去沒有做
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transcript.whisperx[7243].text 未來我們希望你們儘速
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transcript.whisperx[7244].text 馬上把該
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transcript.whisperx[7245].text 補起來的豆馬上補起來
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transcript.whisperx[7246].text 把食品安全
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transcript.whisperx[7247].text 還給我們人民
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transcript.whisperx[7248].text 是這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[7251].text 謝謝我們林主任委員
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transcript.whisperx[7252].text 那我們現在休息到兩點半
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transcript.whisperx[7253].text 兩點三十分
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transcript.whisperx[7254].text 好我們現在開始開會
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transcript.whisperx[7255].text 好那請我們王政序委員
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transcript.whisperx[7256].text 好謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[7259].text 食藥署江署長
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transcript.whisperx[7260].text 台唐的蔡副總
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transcript.whisperx[7261].text 部長好
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transcript.whisperx[7262].text 大家好
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transcript.whisperx[7263].text 我想一開始還是要針對
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transcript.whisperx[7264].text 台唐的部分這是我們今天
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transcript.whisperx[7265].text 這個專報的主題
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transcript.whisperx[7266].text 行政機關來
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transcript.whisperx[7267].text 做一點說明
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transcript.whisperx[7268].text 主要還是這三大項
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transcript.whisperx[7269].text 早上已經講過太多太多次了
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transcript.whisperx[7270].text 不過我相信
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transcript.whisperx[7271].text 還是需要再強調一次
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transcript.whisperx[7272].text 那就簡短麻煩部長
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transcript.whisperx[7273].text 代表針對這三個
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transcript.whisperx[7274].text 台唐的通報是否是法定義務
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transcript.whisperx[7275].text 那台唐
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transcript.whisperx[7276].text 買中聯這些辦成品是用來
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transcript.whisperx[7277].text 做什麼
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transcript.whisperx[7279].text 要求原料辦成品
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transcript.whisperx[7280].text 有回應到這個衛生安全之餘
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transcript.whisperx[7285].text 好跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[7286].text 在我們整個食安
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transcript.whisperx[7287].text 的概念裡面我們一直
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transcript.whisperx[7289].text 所以每個人
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transcript.whisperx[7290].text 不論是廠商不論是
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transcript.whisperx[7291].text 消費者只要有這一些
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transcript.whisperx[7292].text 這個發現的這個有害
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transcript.whisperx[7293].text 有這個健康危害之餘的
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transcript.whisperx[7294].text 來通報我們都是歡迎
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transcript.whisperx[7295].text 也很鼓勵
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transcript.whisperx[7296].text 但是回到依法論法這個是
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transcript.whisperx[7297].text 屬於的強制義務的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7298].text 那麼在這個
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transcript.whisperx[7299].text 食安法第七條就寫得很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[7300].text 那是食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[7301].text 針對他的產品
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transcript.whisperx[7302].text 那麼有這個健康危害之餘的時候
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transcript.whisperx[7303].text 他要有向
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transcript.whisperx[7304].text 這個主管機關通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[7305].text 所以這個是第一個很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[7306].text 那第二個呢
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transcript.whisperx[7308].text 那就要看他是哪一個樣態
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transcript.whisperx[7309].text 那麼在現在食安法裡面
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transcript.whisperx[7310].text 有一種是食品添加物
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transcript.whisperx[7311].text 這個是在這個第三條明訂的
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transcript.whisperx[7312].text 那麼食品添加物呢
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transcript.whisperx[7313].text 沒有說可以添加的
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transcript.whisperx[7314].text 不得添加的
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transcript.whisperx[7315].text 那個就是通通要通報
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transcript.whisperx[7316].text 那個就是違反這個
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transcript.whisperx[7318].text 那如果是訂有衛生安全標準的
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transcript.whisperx[7319].text 就看那個標準
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transcript.whisperx[7320].text 訂的是什麼品項
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transcript.whisperx[7321].text 那超過標準那他就會
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transcript.whisperx[7323].text 所以以這個油脂類為
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transcript.whisperx[7324].text 為例我們訂的是
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transcript.whisperx[7326].text 不包含
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transcript.whisperx[7327].text 跟油脂製造的所有的東西
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transcript.whisperx[7328].text 不是的 我們是
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transcript.whisperx[7329].text 只有針對的就是
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transcript.whisperx[7341].text 那麼不過未來在
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transcript.whisperx[7342].text 修食安法特別是第七條
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transcript.whisperx[7343].text 的部分我們也做了大幅的
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transcript.whisperx[7344].text 修正 那麼包含
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transcript.whisperx[7346].text 義務 那麼甚至通報
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transcript.whisperx[7347].text 的對象 那麼
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transcript.whisperx[7348].text 相關的罰則的
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transcript.whisperx[7349].text 提升 那麼我們都會
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transcript.whisperx[7350].text 有提出相關的修法來
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transcript.whisperx[7351].text 精進整個預警的
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transcript.whisperx[7352].text 效果 所以再請
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transcript.whisperx[7353].text 再請委員屆時再給我們一些
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transcript.whisperx[7354].text 指教 好 其實我們
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transcript.whisperx[7355].text 很期待趕快能夠
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transcript.whisperx[7356].text 開始修這個食安法
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transcript.whisperx[7357].text 能逐條來審查
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transcript.whisperx[7358].text 那也謝謝我們幾位
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transcript.whisperx[7359].text 官員 那就麻煩其他
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transcript.whisperx[7360].text 官員請回座 除了我們部長
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transcript.whisperx[7361].text 持續來跟我們來一起討論以外
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transcript.whisperx[7362].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[7363].text 那這陣子的
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transcript.whisperx[7364].text 這個自來油的事件
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transcript.whisperx[7365].text 我認為啦
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transcript.whisperx[7366].text 當務之急應該是要趕快來
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transcript.whisperx[7368].text 法規的缺漏
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transcript.whisperx[7369].text 從制度面來落實
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transcript.whisperx[7370].text 防堵 避免這些的案件
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transcript.whisperx[7371].text 再次的發生 我想
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transcript.whisperx[7372].text 這是國人非常非常的
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transcript.whisperx[7373].text 期待 那也
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transcript.whisperx[7374].text 一定要把這個事情做好
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transcript.whisperx[7375].text 不過在這個過程裡面我們也看到一則
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transcript.whisperx[7376].text 新聞 就是台中市議員
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transcript.whisperx[7377].text 他有
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transcript.whisperx[7380].text 減少變略了一千多萬
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transcript.whisperx[7382].text 解釋是說因為中央少給了
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transcript.whisperx[7384].text 那這個
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transcript.whisperx[7385].text 這筆的經費的叫做
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transcript.whisperx[7386].text 食安獎勵金嘛 那意思就是說
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transcript.whisperx[7387].text 應該是
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transcript.whisperx[7389].text 很優良 值得
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transcript.whisperx[7391].text 中央才會給額外的肯定
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transcript.whisperx[7393].text 這是一個bonus的概念 我想大家
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transcript.whisperx[7394].text 從這個名稱上來看是
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transcript.whisperx[7395].text 清楚的
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transcript.whisperx[7397].text 他地方政府沒有
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transcript.whisperx[7399].text 那直接來減少變略地方
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transcript.whisperx[7401].text 食安的預算 這感覺怪怪
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transcript.whisperx[7402].text 我不知道部長你怎麼想
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transcript.whisperx[7403].text 有沒有覺得怪怪
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transcript.whisperx[7404].text 這個說法到底正不正確和不合理
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transcript.whisperx[7406].text 他的性質是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[7407].text 那是不是部長也可以讓大家知道一下
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transcript.whisperx[7408].text 跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[7409].text 這兩年我們特別
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transcript.whisperx[7413].text 讓我們有在
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transcript.whisperx[7415].text 115年有一個
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transcript.whisperx[7417].text 要來
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transcript.whisperx[7420].text 稽查也好各項的食安
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transcript.whisperx[7422].text 表現機優我們會有
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transcript.whisperx[7427].text 事實上也已經撥發了不少
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transcript.whisperx[7428].text 那麼至於說
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transcript.whisperx[7429].text 到目前為止我們
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transcript.whisperx[7430].text 已經也撥了2億4千
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transcript.whisperx[7431].text 多元了
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transcript.whisperx[7432].text 也都撥下去了
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transcript.whisperx[7434].text 這個是額外的
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transcript.whisperx[7437].text 編列的相關的業務費
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transcript.whisperx[7438].text 這是兩回事這個不應該
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transcript.whisperx[7439].text 要把它混為一談就是該要
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transcript.whisperx[7440].text 執行的還是要請地方
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transcript.whisperx[7442].text 這個預算包含人力
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transcript.whisperx[7443].text 或者是相當稽查
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transcript.whisperx[7444].text 所需要的預算還是要請
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transcript.whisperx[7451].text 幫忙的就會列入這個獎勵
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transcript.whisperx[7454].text 那再過來就是有關於建置全國違反
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transcript.whisperx[7455].text 食安查詢系統這一部分
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transcript.whisperx[7456].text 真的需要再加把勁
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transcript.whisperx[7458].text 非常努力地在
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transcript.whisperx[7460].text 這些高風險的食品而且
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transcript.whisperx[7461].text 給這些業者違規的業者
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transcript.whisperx[7462].text 做很重的裁罰
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transcript.whisperx[7463].text 可是要如何能夠重建民眾
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transcript.whisperx[7464].text 對於這個食安的信任
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transcript.whisperx[7465].text 我認為讓消費者
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transcript.whisperx[7466].text 能夠很容易查閱到
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transcript.whisperx[7468].text 紀錄跟他的商譽其實
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transcript.whisperx[7469].text 讓這個資訊
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transcript.whisperx[7470].text 的透明度能夠落實
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transcript.whisperx[7471].text 應該是很關鍵的一步
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transcript.whisperx[7472].text 那我們在這個事件裡面發現說
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transcript.whisperx[7474].text 違法資訊的部分卻面臨
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transcript.whisperx[7475].text 各自為政
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transcript.whisperx[7476].text 一國多治的這些問題
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transcript.whisperx[7477].text 我們可以從這個畫面上看到
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transcript.whisperx[7479].text 22個縣市就有22種
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transcript.whisperx[7480].text 公布的方式
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transcript.whisperx[7483].text 稽查的PDF的檔案
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transcript.whisperx[7486].text 就讓民眾去
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transcript.whisperx[7487].text 自己了解
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transcript.whisperx[7488].text 一般民眾如果想要看一個
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transcript.whisperx[7489].text 某一個產品的這些食安紀錄
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transcript.whisperx[7490].text 真的是困難重重
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transcript.whisperx[7491].text 看那個東西
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transcript.whisperx[7492].text 另外當然食藥署自己有建立了一個
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transcript.whisperx[7493].text 食品查核跟檢驗資訊的平台
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transcript.whisperx[7494].text 可是這個
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transcript.whisperx[7495].text 廣業的入口
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transcript.whisperx[7496].text 還是有點隱密不太容易
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transcript.whisperx[7497].text 讓民眾很容易就可以找得到
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transcript.whisperx[7498].text 更核心的問題就是說這個
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transcript.whisperx[7499].text 平台目前僅看在
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transcript.whisperx[7500].text 食藥署本身的專案稽查的結果
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transcript.whisperx[7501].text 完全沒有去
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transcript.whisperx[7502].text 整合地方政府自己在
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transcript.whisperx[7503].text 執行上的稽查資料
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transcript.whisperx[7504].text 意思就是說地方政府他可能
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transcript.whisperx[7505].text 會有一些稽查
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transcript.whisperx[7506].text 的項目不是在中央
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transcript.whisperx[7507].text 政府這邊處理到
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transcript.whisperx[7508].text 他就會自己去公布
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transcript.whisperx[7509].text 結果沒有彙整到
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transcript.whisperx[7510].text 中央政府到食藥署這個
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transcript.whisperx[7511].text 網頁來相對來講
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transcript.whisperx[7512].text 這是很不合理的現象
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transcript.whisperx[7513].text 因為相會者想要
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transcript.whisperx[7514].text 比如說啦
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transcript.whisperx[7515].text 苦茶油也是一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[7516].text 苦茶油全各個地方
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transcript.whisperx[7517].text 都有一些苦茶油在販售
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transcript.whisperx[7518].text 那如果想要去看一下品牌
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transcript.whisperx[7519].text 有沒有違規紀錄
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transcript.whisperx[7520].text 可能就要上這個
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transcript.whisperx[7521].text 每一個縣市22個地方的這個
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transcript.whisperx[7522].text 政府網站再加上食藥署
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transcript.whisperx[7523].text 的網站一共有23個網站
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transcript.whisperx[7524].text 去慢慢比對
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transcript.whisperx[7525].text 台灣是科技大國
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transcript.whisperx[7526].text 這種情形實在是很難接受
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transcript.whisperx[7527].text 所以這一方面
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transcript.whisperx[7528].text 如果我們來參考勞動部的
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transcript.whisperx[7529].text 經驗勞動部其實
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transcript.whisperx[7530].text 他們有建置一個全國
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transcript.whisperx[7531].text 的查詢平台叫做
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transcript.whisperx[7532].text 違反勞動法令查詢
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transcript.whisperx[7533].text 的系統這個很簡單
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transcript.whisperx[7534].text 只要民眾在單一個網站上面
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transcript.whisperx[7535].text 按一個鍵
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transcript.whisperx[7536].text 就能夠去看到全國
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transcript.whisperx[7537].text 所有的違規的紀錄
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transcript.whisperx[7538].text 而且這個資料沒有連線
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transcript.whisperx[7539].text 也不會下架
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transcript.whisperx[7540].text 所以這樣真的是能夠保障民眾的
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transcript.whisperx[7541].text 知情權
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transcript.whisperx[7542].text 所以部長有沒有可能
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transcript.whisperx[7543].text 我們在一個月裡面
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transcript.whisperx[7544].text 麻煩衛福能夠全面的盤點
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transcript.whisperx[7545].text 各級政府目前公布
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transcript.whisperx[7546].text 食安違規資訊的方式
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transcript.whisperx[7547].text 然後參考這個勞動部的
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transcript.whisperx[7548].text 建置經驗先把這個資訊
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transcript.whisperx[7549].text 先整合好
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transcript.whisperx[7550].text 那上個月裡面針對建置單一
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transcript.whisperx[7551].text 入口的全國違反食安
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transcript.whisperx[7552].text 查詢系統
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transcript.whisperx[7553].text 邀請各地方政府來開會延商
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transcript.whisperx[7554].text 提供改善食藥署
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transcript.whisperx[7555].text 查詢平台的這個具體的期程
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transcript.whisperx[7556].text 把它規劃出來
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transcript.whisperx[7557].text 部長 好 我想這個委員
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transcript.whisperx[7558].text 這個方向
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transcript.whisperx[7559].text 我們覺得很好啦因為
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transcript.whisperx[7560].text 這個食品經常它會有
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transcript.whisperx[7561].text 這個全國的流通性
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transcript.whisperx[7562].text 所以雖然是在這一個縣市
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transcript.whisperx[7563].text 去查核
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transcript.whisperx[7564].text 但是它的食品可能是流通到其他的縣市
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transcript.whisperx[7565].text 所以我們三個月內
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transcript.whisperx[7566].text 我們找這個地方政府
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transcript.whisperx[7567].text 大家來開會按照委員的方式
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transcript.whisperx[7568].text 一個是它的公布方式
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transcript.whisperx[7569].text 大家盡量讓它一致性
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transcript.whisperx[7570].text 那第二個我們來看看能不能
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transcript.whisperx[7571].text 以這個廠商做基礎的
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transcript.whisperx[7572].text 來把它
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transcript.whisperx[7573].text 彙整成一個單一的
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transcript.whisperx[7574].text 一個違規
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transcript.whisperx[7575].text 查詢的系統
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transcript.whisperx[7576].text 所以我們可能不一定可以馬上
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transcript.whisperx[7577].text 三個月內做完但是規劃
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transcript.whisperx[7578].text 具體的期程規劃我們把它
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transcript.whisperx[7579].text 做出來再請委員來指教
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transcript.whisperx[7580].text 對 這務必要請部長
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transcript.whisperx[7581].text 趕快啟動
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transcript.whisperx[7582].text 最後一個問題就是
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transcript.whisperx[7583].text 我們要希望還是把這個
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transcript.whisperx[7584].text 食材原料能夠做透明的標示
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transcript.whisperx[7585].text 尤其這會牽扯到
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transcript.whisperx[7586].text 這個本土的小農
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transcript.whisperx[7587].text 如何能夠讓他們的這個農作物
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transcript.whisperx[7588].text 產品可以穩定
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transcript.whisperx[7589].text 來做處理以外能夠
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transcript.whisperx[7590].text 強化農作產品的韌性
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transcript.whisperx[7591].text 之前其實也跟部長
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transcript.whisperx[7592].text 詢問過
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transcript.whisperx[7593].text 市面上看到的那些番茄汁
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transcript.whisperx[7594].text 我們都以為是台灣
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transcript.whisperx[7595].text 自己本土做出來的番茄汁
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transcript.whisperx[7596].text 種出來的番茄汁
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transcript.whisperx[7597].text 可是我們看到的是合法
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transcript.whisperx[7598].text 的標示產地是台灣
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transcript.whisperx[7599].text 結果台北人很多
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transcript.whisperx[7600].text 都不是台灣自己
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transcript.whisperx[7601].text 種的番茄
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transcript.whisperx[7602].text 所以我那時候就主張
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transcript.whisperx[7603].text 修法的時候要加強這個
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transcript.whisperx[7604].text 把業者的明確標示原料
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transcript.whisperx[7605].text 原產地這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[7606].text 也需要來加強
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transcript.whisperx[7607].text 把它修入到法案裡面
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transcript.whisperx[7608].text 所以食安法的修法
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transcript.whisperx[7609].text 我今天如果
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transcript.whisperx[7610].text 開始啟動這個修法的話
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transcript.whisperx[7611].text 我們會把這些
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transcript.whisperx[7612].text 修法能夠跟大家一起來討論
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transcript.whisperx[7613].text 而我們另外再看一個
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transcript.whisperx[7614].text 一則消息這真的是我國
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transcript.whisperx[7615].text 農業一個重大的警訊
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transcript.whisperx[7616].text 你看本土紅豆的產量
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transcript.whisperx[7617].text 從2022年以後
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transcript.whisperx[7618].text 就跌破萬噸
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transcript.whisperx[7619].text 到2025年只剩下
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transcript.whisperx[7620].text 5461噸
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transcript.whisperx[7621].text 5461公噸
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transcript.whisperx[7622].text 這產量在很短的時間
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transcript.whisperx[7623].text 裡面就直接腰斬
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transcript.whisperx[7624].text 那我們看這個進口紅豆
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transcript.whisperx[7625].text 卻是大幅的成長
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transcript.whisperx[7626].text 到2025年已經有
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transcript.whisperx[7627].text 達到6641公噸
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transcript.whisperx[7628].text 從外國進口國外進口
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transcript.whisperx[7629].text 的這個量
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transcript.whisperx[7630].text 比我們自己本土產的量還要多
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transcript.whisperx[7631].text 這個表示說我們本土的紅豆
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transcript.whisperx[7632].text 正在失去我們市場的
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transcript.whisperx[7633].text 主導權
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transcript.whisperx[7634].text 你在市面上幾乎
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transcript.whisperx[7635].text 沒有辦法找到進口紅豆
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transcript.whisperx[7636].text 的這些下落
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transcript.whisperx[7637].text 當然最根究底這就是現行法規
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transcript.whisperx[7638].text 一個破洞造成的問題
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transcript.whisperx[7639].text 這些紅豆到底是從哪裡進來
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transcript.whisperx[7640].text 有可能從加拿大
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transcript.whisperx[7641].text 澳洲或阿根廷進口的這些紅豆
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transcript.whisperx[7642].text 可是經過實質轉型
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transcript.whisperx[7643].text 加工以後
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transcript.whisperx[7644].text 通通都變成是合法標示的
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transcript.whisperx[7645].text 原產地叫做台灣
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transcript.whisperx[7646].text 這種情形其實就會
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transcript.whisperx[7647].text 讓消費者誤以為自己買的
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transcript.whisperx[7648].text 就是我們自己國產的紅豆
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transcript.whisperx[7649].text 當然有信心而且會認同
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transcript.whisperx[7650].text 這個品質
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transcript.whisperx[7651].text 是不是會有更好的
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transcript.whisperx[7652].text 這個可能性
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transcript.whisperx[7653].text 可是如果是這樣的話目前
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transcript.whisperx[7654].text 我們沒有透過
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transcript.whisperx[7655].text 好的這些標示的要求
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transcript.whisperx[7656].text 結果是支持到進口紅豆
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transcript.whisperx[7657].text 讓這些本土的
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transcript.whisperx[7658].text 高品質相對成本也比較
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transcript.whisperx[7659].text 高的這個本土的國產紅豆
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transcript.whisperx[7660].text 越來越難以競爭
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transcript.whisperx[7661].text 失去了
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transcript.whisperx[7662].text 台灣的這個農作產品的韌性
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transcript.whisperx[7663].text 這個非常值得我們
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transcript.whisperx[7664].text 去了解跟擔心
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transcript.whisperx[7665].text 我想要強調的是說市場競爭
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transcript.whisperx[7666].text 不是壞事情
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transcript.whisperx[7667].text 可是如果食藥署的法規允許資訊
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transcript.whisperx[7668].text 不透明的話等於是在放任
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transcript.whisperx[7669].text 部分的業者誤導民眾
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transcript.whisperx[7670].text 甚至會打擊到這個本土的小農
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transcript.whisperx[7671].text 所以希望這次的修法
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transcript.whisperx[7672].text 能夠徹底的來解決
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transcript.whisperx[7673].text 這種標示的亂象
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transcript.whisperx[7674].text 我們會有一些修法本本
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transcript.whisperx[7675].text 到時候要麻煩部長一起來支持
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transcript.whisperx[7676].text 好 那部長你的態度怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[7677].text 我想這個我們越來越多
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transcript.whisperx[7678].text 我們民眾喜歡選用
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transcript.whisperx[7679].text 台灣本地原料製造的產品
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transcript.whisperx[7680].text 所以這個我們可以感受得到
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transcript.whisperx[7681].text 但是因為台灣是
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transcript.whisperx[7682].text 一個物資不是那麼豐沛的國家
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transcript.whisperx[7683].text 所以我們也有很多需要仰賴進口
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transcript.whisperx[7684].text 因此在食品標示上
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transcript.whisperx[7685].text 我們還是必須跟世界去接軌
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transcript.whisperx[7686].text 但是對於如何凸顯
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transcript.whisperx[7687].text 台灣的真正採用
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transcript.whisperx[7688].text 在地原料
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transcript.whisperx[7689].text 真正採用在地原料
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transcript.whisperx[7691].text 讓它能夠凸顯出來
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transcript.whisperx[7692].text 我舉一個例子我們
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transcript.whisperx[7693].text 從今年7月1號開始
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transcript.whisperx[7694].text 就只有用台灣的牛的奶
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transcript.whisperx[7695].text 做的才可以稱為鮮乳
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transcript.whisperx[7696].text 其他都不可以
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transcript.whisperx[7697].text 所以這個就是一個例子
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transcript.whisperx[7698].text 我們沒有去打破
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transcript.whisperx[7699].text 標示什麼原產不原產地
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transcript.whisperx[7700].text 但是我們去要求
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transcript.whisperx[7701].text 只有是本地牛的牛奶
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transcript.whisperx[7702].text 做的才可以稱為鮮乳
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transcript.whisperx[7703].text 不然其他的就不可以
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transcript.whisperx[7704].text 就只能稱為牛乳
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transcript.whisperx[7705].text 或其他的調和乳等等
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transcript.whisperx[7706].text 像類似這樣的做法
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transcript.whisperx[7707].text 我覺得我們可以來研議
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transcript.whisperx[7708].text 就是去凸顯台灣真正採用
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transcript.whisperx[7709].text 在地的農產品製造的
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transcript.whisperx[7710].text 這些食品
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transcript.whisperx[7711].text 才能夠去標示
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transcript.whisperx[7712].text 這個是某一種標章的方式
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transcript.whisperx[7713].text 來凸顯它的
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transcript.whisperx[7714].text 的確各國不同的做法
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transcript.whisperx[7715].text 所以如果我們台灣
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transcript.whisperx[7716].text 可以參考各國的做法
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transcript.whisperx[7717].text 韓國還有日本都是採用
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transcript.whisperx[7718].text 像這樣的做法
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transcript.whisperx[7719].text 要求說你只有在地製造的
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transcript.whisperx[7720].text 才能夠標示為
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transcript.whisperx[7721].text 我們某一種標示
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transcript.whisperx[7722].text 所以我們需要在這個法令上面
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transcript.whisperx[7723].text 能夠把它標示完成
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transcript.whisperx[7724].text 來做好的修法
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transcript.whisperx[7725].text 那就謝謝部長
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transcript.whisperx[7726].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[7727].text 謝謝網政區委員
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transcript.whisperx[7728].text 接著請羅志強委員
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transcript.whisperx[7729].text 羅志強委員
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transcript.whisperx[7730].text 羅志強委員不在
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transcript.whisperx[7731].text 接著我們請陳昭之委員
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transcript.whisperx[7732].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[7733].text 有請部長
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transcript.whisperx[7734].text 請時務部長
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transcript.whisperx[7735].text 陳委員好
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transcript.whisperx[7736].text 請陳昭之委員
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transcript.whisperx[7737].text 謝謝班
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transcript.whisperx[7738].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7739].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7740].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7741].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7742].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7743].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7744].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7745].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7746].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7747].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7748].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7749].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7750].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7751].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7752].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7753].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7754].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7755].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7756].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7757].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7758].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7759].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7760].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7761].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7762].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7763].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7764].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7765].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7961].text 請教
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transcript.whisperx[7962].text 你知道他是這樣子來做
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transcript.whisperx[7963].text 所以後來我們發現他是一級的致癌物
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transcript.whisperx[7965].text 所以這個超飄的這個油
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transcript.whisperx[7967].text 這些貓狗跟動物也是吃下
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transcript.whisperx[7971].text 只要沒有變成人吃的東西
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transcript.whisperx[7972].text 就算就跟衛福部無關嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7973].text 如果他出貨也給飼料廠使用
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transcript.whisperx[7974].text 這個是人皆知道的事實
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transcript.whisperx[7975].text 他事實上也繼續賣
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transcript.whisperx[7977].text 這個怕事情鬧得更大
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transcript.whisperx[7978].text 不是只有人還有這個醜聞問題
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transcript.whisperx[7979].text 那我要講的是說台糖拒收油品
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transcript.whisperx[7980].text 所以沒有強制通報責任
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transcript.whisperx[7981].text 那剛剛我也提到了
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transcript.whisperx[7984].text 剛才所以我在期許部長
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transcript.whisperx[7985].text 我們不是在說我們有違法沒違法
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transcript.whisperx[7987].text 大家現在生氣說台糖你知道了
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transcript.whisperx[7989].text 而且超飆嚴重
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transcript.whisperx[7990].text 七倍七倍多
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transcript.whisperx[7991].text 但我沒拿來用就沒關係
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transcript.whisperx[7992].text 那後續怎麼處理也沒關係
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transcript.whisperx[7994].text 部長我要跟你講的是
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transcript.whisperx[7995].text 黃豆製油這個過程
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transcript.whisperx[7996].text 他大概炸出兩層油
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transcript.whisperx[7998].text 這個豆腐是給誰吃呢
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transcript.whisperx[7999].text 給雞給豬吃
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transcript.whisperx[8002].text 現在還有我們雞豬吃了也超飆
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transcript.whisperx[8003].text 那就是等於已經動到我們食物鏈的上層去了
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transcript.whisperx[8004].text 也許那是農業不管的
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transcript.whisperx[8005].text 但上次整個影響
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transcript.whisperx[8007].text 所以事實上說
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transcript.whisperx[8008].text 如果說你們現在要護航台糖
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transcript.whisperx[8009].text 民視嚴重差標
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transcript.whisperx[8010].text 但是沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[8011].text 他影響的層面
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transcript.whisperx[8012].text 我今天告訴你所有的事物
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transcript.whisperx[8013].text 還有我們常吃的食物
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transcript.whisperx[8014].text 家禽家畜全部也都會吃到
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transcript.whisperx[8015].text 所以我覺得如果有這個態度是
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transcript.whisperx[8016].text 很難原諒幾乎是不可原諒
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transcript.whisperx[8017].text 部長就是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[8019].text 你是先推給南橋
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transcript.whisperx[8020].text 那後來我一直提醒你是中聯
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transcript.whisperx[8021].text 同樣一批樣油
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transcript.whisperx[8022].text 這個油樣他剪出三種數字
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transcript.whisperx[8023].text 後來果然中聯就出事了
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transcript.whisperx[8024].text 現在再回到說
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transcript.whisperx[8025].text 我們再回到說
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transcript.whisperx[8026].text 我們再回到說
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transcript.whisperx[8027].text 最早知道的
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transcript.whisperx[8028].text 最嚴重的數字是最嚴重的
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transcript.whisperx[8030].text 部長其實是這幾道問題
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transcript.whisperx[8031].text 您的邏輯跟你的做法
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transcript.whisperx[8032].text 態度出問題
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transcript.whisperx[8034].text 我們回到科學的討論
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transcript.whisperx[8035].text 這個本篇筆本身大家都知道
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transcript.whisperx[8036].text 它是一級致癌物
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transcript.whisperx[8037].text 那麼它的致癌的風險
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transcript.whisperx[8038].text 來自於長期的累積
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transcript.whisperx[8039].text 所以跟你的食用的習慣
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transcript.whisperx[8040].text 跟累積有關係
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transcript.whisperx[8041].text 它這是一個長期的
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transcript.whisperx[8043].text 這是第一個
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transcript.whisperx[8044].text 那第二個現在全世界
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transcript.whisperx[8045].text 定有本篇筆標準的國家
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transcript.whisperx[8046].text 不是全部
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transcript.whisperx[8047].text 長期的累積
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transcript.whisperx[8048].text 你一次食物可以
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transcript.whisperx[8049].text 你那個添加物
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transcript.whisperx[8050].text 這個蘇丹紅可以
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transcript.whisperx[8051].text 這個油不要吃多久
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transcript.whisperx[8052].text 而且是全面的
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transcript.whisperx[8053].text 所以這個都有科學模式
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transcript.whisperx[8054].text 可以計算
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transcript.whisperx[8055].text 吳正講說你們逼我們吃油
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transcript.whisperx[8056].text 有 你有逼我們吃油
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transcript.whisperx[8057].text 沒有吃油是會死的
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transcript.whisperx[8059].text 所以回到我們科學的討論
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transcript.whisperx[8060].text 油蛋白質常內
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transcript.whisperx[8061].text 這個本篇筆
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transcript.whisperx[8062].text 不是每個國家都定有標準
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transcript.whisperx[8063].text 有的國家是沒有標準
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transcript.whisperx[8064].text 因為就要很小心
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transcript.whisperx[8065].text 像日本像美國
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transcript.whisperx[8066].text 美國都沒有定標準的
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transcript.whisperx[8067].text 我們定了跟歐盟一樣
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transcript.whisperx[8068].text 全世界最嚴格的標準
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transcript.whisperx[8069].text 這是第一個
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transcript.whisperx[8070].text 第二個在飼料中
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transcript.whisperx[8071].text 有沒有這個標準
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transcript.whisperx[8072].text 到目前我們還查不到
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transcript.whisperx[8073].text 是在飼料裡面
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transcript.whisperx[8074].text 去定這個標準
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transcript.whisperx[8075].text 所以我們了解
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transcript.whisperx[8076].text 它是一個一級的致癌物
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transcript.whisperx[8077].text 是說它的證據明顯
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transcript.whisperx[8078].text 會有健康的危害
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transcript.whisperx[8079].text 它是證據非常充分
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transcript.whisperx[8080].text 而且動物跟人沒有
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transcript.whisperx[8081].text 要定到多少的標準
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transcript.whisperx[8082].text 從動物的身上
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transcript.whisperx[8083].text 要去做研究
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transcript.whisperx[8084].text 它有
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transcript.whisperx[8085].text 但是它的標準要定在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[8086].text 到目前還沒有標準
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transcript.whisperx[8087].text 但是這件事
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transcript.whisperx[8088].text 唯一這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[8089].text 您不能再說要累積大量
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transcript.whisperx[8090].text 才可能致癌
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transcript.whisperx[8091].text 我不是說要累積大量
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transcript.whisperx[8092].text 我說我跟您討論科學
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transcript.whisperx[8093].text 從科學上來看
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transcript.whisperx[8094].text 我們一直在討論科學
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transcript.whisperx[8095].text 它是長期累積
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transcript.whisperx[8096].text 因為它必須要
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transcript.whisperx[8097].text 你覺得現在吃多久
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transcript.whisperx[8098].text 它不是急性的毒性
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transcript.whisperx[8099].text 什麼毒都有
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transcript.whisperx[8100].text 全台灣都犯案
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transcript.whisperx[8101].text 我們就科學來講
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transcript.whisperx[8102].text 也不要造成民眾的恐慌
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transcript.whisperx[8103].text 我們也發布了一個
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transcript.whisperx[8104].text 我們國衛院它所計算出來
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transcript.whisperx[8105].text 我非常清楚20%怎麼算來
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transcript.whisperx[8106].text 我也不在這邊講了
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transcript.whisperx[8107].text 基本上我就說
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transcript.whisperx[8108].text 不要單純再用
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transcript.whisperx[8109].text 以前一貫的做法
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transcript.whisperx[8110].text 說這就要吃很久了
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transcript.whisperx[8111].text 吃很多
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transcript.whisperx[8112].text 江組長我今天也沒讓你講話
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transcript.whisperx[8113].text 您過去因為你是學者
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transcript.whisperx[8114].text 學者是用這個話講
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transcript.whisperx[8115].text 問題今天我們是食用油
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transcript.whisperx[8116].text 什麼東西都加油
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transcript.whisperx[8117].text 然後我在講
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transcript.whisperx[8118].text 人沒有吃油是活不下去的
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transcript.whisperx[8119].text 所以這個吳征您講的話
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transcript.whisperx[8120].text 你有逼嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8121].text 有 你有逼我們吃
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transcript.whisperx[8122].text 因為我們已經沒有健康油
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transcript.whisperx[8123].text 可以吃了
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transcript.whisperx[8124].text 油是我們人體的必要營養素
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transcript.whisperx[8125].text 油是我們提供
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transcript.whisperx[8126].text 必須胺基酸的重要來源
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transcript.whisperx[8127].text 必須胺基酸表示什麼
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transcript.whisperx[8128].text 我們身體沒辦法合成
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transcript.whisperx[8129].text 我們需要有
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transcript.whisperx[8130].text 第三 所有的油溶性
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transcript.whisperx[8131].text 維他命A D E K
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transcript.whisperx[8132].text 都是靠油才能幫助我們吸收
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transcript.whisperx[8133].text 所以油是必要的
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transcript.whisperx[8134].text 你有沒有逼我們吃
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transcript.whisperx[8135].text 有 我們到處都吃了
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transcript.whisperx[8136].text 柏定瑜那句話
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transcript.whisperx[8137].text 拜託你不要再說了
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transcript.whisperx[8138].text 有問題的
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transcript.whisperx[8139].text 我從來不講說這句話
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transcript.whisperx[8140].text 我講的都是
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transcript.whisperx[8141].text 確保這個油品的安全
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transcript.whisperx[8142].text 實用的安全是我們的責任
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transcript.whisperx[8143].text 所以這個我們一定會
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transcript.whisperx[8144].text 務實的去做到
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transcript.whisperx[8145].text 好啦 部長謝謝你
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transcript.whisperx[8146].text 我盡量也盡量用科學
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transcript.whisperx[8147].text 用我的專業跟你溝通
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transcript.whisperx[8148].text 好 謝謝部長
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transcript.whisperx[8150].text 好 謝謝陳昭助委員
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transcript.whisperx[8151].text 接著請林黛樺委員
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transcript.whisperx[8152].text 有請部長
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transcript.whisperx[8153].text 好 請師部長
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transcript.whisperx[8154].text 李委員好
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transcript.whisperx[8155].text 好 本席由以
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transcript.whisperx[8156].text 修正動議的提案
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transcript.whisperx[8157].text 希望在這個食安法當中
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transcript.whisperx[8158].text 導入這個GS1 Summarize 2027
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transcript.whisperx[8159].text 來健全台灣食品安全
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transcript.whisperx[8160].text 稽查的數位透徑
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transcript.whisperx[8161].text 那這個現在我們稽查
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transcript.whisperx[8162].text 有三大瓶頸
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transcript.whisperx[8163].text 第一個 紙本跟數據的斷層
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transcript.whisperx[8164].text 第二個是
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transcript.whisperx[8165].text 因為條碼的資訊限制
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transcript.whisperx[8166].text 第三個是
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transcript.whisperx[8167].text 擴大儲置的成本的高昂
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transcript.whisperx[8168].text 紙本跟數據的斷層
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transcript.whisperx[8169].text 這邊呢
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transcript.whisperx[8170].text 現場是仰賴業者的
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transcript.whisperx[8171].text 紙本的漲策人工對仗
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transcript.whisperx[8172].text 遇到隱匿或生爆不死的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8173].text 調閱與跨場比對極度耗時
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transcript.whisperx[8175].text 它只能針對品類
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transcript.whisperx[8176].text 無法記載特定的批號
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transcript.whisperx[8177].text 跟有效日期
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transcript.whisperx[8178].text 那再來就是我們
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transcript.whisperx[8180].text 無法精準定位污染的批號
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transcript.whisperx[8181].text 所以造成了合規的廠商
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transcript.whisperx[8182].text 嚴重的損失與消費恐慌
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transcript.whisperx[8183].text 部長您覺得現在行政院
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transcript.whisperx[8184].text 跟各立委的提案
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transcript.whisperx[8185].text 可以解決這個現場
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transcript.whisperx[8186].text 稽查的三大瓶頸嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8187].text 確實委員提到的這個是
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transcript.whisperx[8188].text 現在確實這樣
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transcript.whisperx[8189].text 像譬如說第一個
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transcript.whisperx[8190].text 雖然我們現在在推動
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transcript.whisperx[8191].text 用這個電子發票直接去勾稽
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transcript.whisperx[8192].text 那但是也還沒有辦法
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transcript.whisperx[8193].text 完全都數位化
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transcript.whisperx[8194].text 我們現在還是雙軌並行
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transcript.whisperx[8196].text 那這個就可能造成資料的不正確
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transcript.whisperx[8198].text 如果能夠做成
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transcript.whisperx[8201].text 也沒有辦法解決的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8203].text 我先介紹GS1 Summarize 2027的概念
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transcript.whisperx[8204].text 介紹其實我倡議這個制度
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transcript.whisperx[8205].text 已經這個是我歷經第三個委員會
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transcript.whisperx[8206].text 我從經濟委員會
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transcript.whisperx[8207].text 到財政委員會的倡議
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transcript.whisperx[8208].text 包括到現在的會還委員會
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transcript.whisperx[8209].text 什麼叫做Summarize 2027呢
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transcript.whisperx[8210].text 它其實是一個二維QR code
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transcript.whisperx[8211].text 那它的特色就兩點
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transcript.whisperx[8212].text 一個是線上溯源
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transcript.whisperx[8213].text 第二個它從原料生產加工運輸配送
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transcript.whisperx[8214].text 到回收完整都物聯網化了
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transcript.whisperx[8215].text 所以它能夠在核心的目標
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transcript.whisperx[8216].text 跟變革上全面的升級2D條碼
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transcript.whisperx[8217].text 所以它能夠讓這個在收銀端
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transcript.whisperx[8218].text 最消費者端讀取的能力
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transcript.whisperx[8219].text 它也攜帶更多的數據
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transcript.whisperx[8220].text 而不是純粹是有品項而已
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transcript.whisperx[8221].text 它能夠包括你儲存的批號
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transcript.whisperx[8222].text 有效日期及序號
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transcript.whisperx[8223].text 比如說我們這次的大黃豆的進口
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transcript.whisperx[8224].text 到底出問題的是哪一批呢
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transcript.whisperx[8225].text 我們都如果導入了
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transcript.whisperx[8226].text 這樣的二維條碼的情況之下
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transcript.whisperx[8227].text 是查得出來的
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transcript.whisperx[8228].text 所以我也提升消費的體驗
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transcript.whisperx[8229].text 那對企業跟工業的影響是
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transcript.whisperx[8230].text 我如果導入了這個SUNRISE2027的話
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transcript.whisperx[8231].text 那這個供應鏈的精準管理
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transcript.whisperx[8232].text 我會更精準的追蹤產品的有效期
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transcript.whisperx[8233].text 減少食物的浪費
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transcript.whisperx[8234].text 跟過期下架的損失
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transcript.whisperx[8235].text 對防偽跟安全的追溯
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transcript.whisperx[8236].text 可以透過序號的追蹤產品的來源
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transcript.whisperx[8237].text 防止假貨
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transcript.whisperx[8238].text 並確保食品安全
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transcript.whisperx[8239].text 第三個這個系統跟軟硬體的改造
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transcript.whisperx[8240].text 這也就是所有的我們的產業提升
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transcript.whisperx[8241].text 零售章跟品牌商必須更新硬體
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transcript.whisperx[8242].text 這個掃描機以及這個軟體POST的系統
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transcript.whisperx[8243].text 否則面臨無法刷出商品跟鍛鍊
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transcript.whisperx[8244].text 還要提的一點
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transcript.whisperx[8245].text 就是我們現在的QR code是貼上去的
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transcript.whisperx[8246].text 未來沒有貼這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[8247].text 直接烙印每一個批號你的過程
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transcript.whisperx[8248].text 每一個過程
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transcript.whisperx[8249].text 甚至在烘培的過程它是幾度
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transcript.whisperx[8250].text 它的氣壓是多少
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transcript.whisperx[8251].text 全部都可以在這個二維條碼登載的
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transcript.whisperx[8252].text 而且通通都是物聯網的
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transcript.whisperx[8253].text 所以真的如果發生事情的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8254].text 我都可以只要一鍵按下
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transcript.whisperx[8255].text 你都可以查掉剛才的機查的
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transcript.whisperx[8256].text 所有的困境完全解決
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transcript.whisperx[8257].text 好那這個食品安全機查的流程的轉型
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transcript.whisperx[8258].text 我分作現在傳統的食安機查的模式
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transcript.whisperx[8259].text 跟我導入Sumnerize 2020的快速溯源
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transcript.whisperx[8260].text 針對在這幾個面向
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transcript.whisperx[8261].text 新前的準備
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transcript.whisperx[8262].text 之前現況是系統跟紙本的比對
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transcript.whisperx[8263].text 未來就是勾選預設
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transcript.whisperx[8264].text 綁定2D條碼的動態履歷
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transcript.whisperx[8265].text 現場的核對在現況是人工竹箱目視掃描
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transcript.whisperx[8266].text 未來是手指你的設備
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transcript.whisperx[8267].text 秒級掃描帶出批號的效期
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transcript.whisperx[8268].text 供應鏈的這個溯源
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transcript.whisperx[8269].text 供應鏈的溯源現在是發函跟上測的比對
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transcript.whisperx[8270].text 我必須花了好幾天
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transcript.whisperx[8271].text 那未來我只要單點的掃描
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transcript.whisperx[8272].text 連網的穿透上下
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transcript.whisperx[8273].text 有一鍵按下幾秒全部通通掃到
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transcript.whisperx[8274].text 包括異常預警
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transcript.whisperx[8275].text 這個是各個委員提案當中最重要的
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transcript.whisperx[8276].text 至現在我們是人工通報存在時間差
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transcript.whisperx[8277].text 未來我就是Pose的系統即時阻斷
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transcript.whisperx[8278].text 我們在這個行政作業現場
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transcript.whisperx[8279].text 現在是現場手抄
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transcript.whisperx[8280].text 防防打字
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transcript.whisperx[8281].text 未來是掃描定位自動會的電子簽商
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transcript.whisperx[8283].text 也就現在我們查了兩個多月了
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transcript.whisperx[8284].text 這樣監理盲區
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transcript.whisperx[8285].text 還在查
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transcript.whisperx[8287].text 三到六個小時未來會減少在半小時內就會完成
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transcript.whisperx[8288].text 完整的溯源我可能花到三到七天
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transcript.whisperx[8290].text 我就可以完成了
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transcript.whisperx[8291].text 好我就以這樣的一個系統導入之後的現在
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transcript.whisperx[8292].text 過往跟現在的未來跟現在的比較
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transcript.whisperx[8293].text 以中聯獨有案
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transcript.whisperx[8294].text 現況是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[8295].text 下游五月異常
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transcript.whisperx[8296].text 我六月底通報到現在了
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transcript.whisperx[8297].text 五月六月兩個月的監理盲區
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transcript.whisperx[8298].text 民眾完全都在不知的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[8299].text 政府中央地方互相也在不知的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[8301].text 那也動員了數十名的稽查員
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transcript.whisperx[8302].text 人工翻閱賬冊比對30批有耗時了12天
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transcript.whisperx[8303].text 以及第三個我們現數百項的遊品
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transcript.whisperx[8304].text 全系統的預防性下降造成社會恐慌
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transcript.whisperx[8305].text 如果我導入GS1三位2027的話
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transcript.whisperx[8306].text 可以預估的效應是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[8307].text 第一個我可以通報縮短
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transcript.whisperx[8308].text 通報縮短自到即時
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transcript.whisperx[8309].text 第二個我的因為掃描了油桶2D條碼之後
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transcript.whisperx[8310].text 我一秒可以抓取的這個批號
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transcript.whisperx[8311].text 現場核對有12天降到15到30分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[8312].text 那問題批號的註冊
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transcript.whisperx[8313].text 全台Post直接鎖定拒刷避免良品的下架
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transcript.whisperx[8314].text 好這樣的消費者對民眾來講
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transcript.whisperx[8315].text 我可以達到什麼的目的
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transcript.whisperx[8316].text 我可以讓民眾消除焦慮
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transcript.whisperx[8317].text 他可以在即使他買了回到家裡
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transcript.whisperx[8318].text 現在發生的這個食安事件
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transcript.whisperx[8319].text 我只要用手機附有這個相機的
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transcript.whisperx[8320].text 我就掃描之後
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transcript.whisperx[8321].text 我就知道我這個批號
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transcript.whisperx[8322].text 是不是屬於這個這個這個危險的批號
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transcript.whisperx[8323].text 第二個我可以安心購物
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transcript.whisperx[8324].text 即使我上架了但是還來不及下架
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transcript.whisperx[8325].text 我買了我的Post系統終結端
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transcript.whisperx[8326].text 收銀收銀帳結帳端
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transcript.whisperx[8327].text 我也自動的攔截了
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transcript.whisperx[8328].text 我自會消費我單一的掃描
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transcript.whisperx[8329].text 即可連結產銷旅行SGS的這個檢驗報告
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transcript.whisperx[8331].text 全部消費者都可以一鍵就可以了解
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transcript.whisperx[8332].text 轉被動接收為主動查核
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transcript.whisperx[8333].text 好我現在導入Sumrise2027的
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transcript.whisperx[8334].text 各階段的人力負荷的變化
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transcript.whisperx[8335].text 目前我們的人力是多吃緊
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transcript.whisperx[8336].text 一年60萬的進口食品總批是60萬
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transcript.whisperx[8337].text 邊境把關的查驗專業人力是多少
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transcript.whisperx[8338].text 100萬人
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transcript.whisperx[8339].text 包括現在就是你們食藥署很吃重的
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transcript.whisperx[8340].text 在我們全台後市場的
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transcript.whisperx[8341].text 稽查總能力中央地方加起來400個
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transcript.whisperx[8342].text 要針對我們號稱汪洋大海的美食王國
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transcript.whisperx[8343].text 數十萬家的小吃攤
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transcript.whisperx[8344].text 你們還要兼辦藥品化妝品
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transcript.whisperx[8345].text 就靠這400個
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transcript.whisperx[8347].text 前期我們也
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transcript.whisperx[8348].text 分店風險分級
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transcript.whisperx[8349].text 鎖定這個大宗的B2B的原料
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transcript.whisperx[8351].text 負荷量也許會上升
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transcript.whisperx[8352].text 但是我這個稽查能力
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transcript.whisperx[8353].text 當大家初期跟過度稽轉型之後的後續
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transcript.whisperx[8355].text 避免自動帶入系統免重複登達
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transcript.whisperx[8360].text 勤政官員的稽查配套是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[8361].text 在我已經完成原料生產加工運輸配送
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transcript.whisperx[8362].text 包括回收喔 部長
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transcript.whisperx[8363].text 我們是包括回收都可以在這裡面的喔
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transcript.whisperx[8366].text 包括運輸到我消費者
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transcript.whisperx[8367].text 以及這個相關的回收鏈
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transcript.whisperx[8368].text 我都可以在這個Summit 27
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transcript.whisperx[8369].text 因為它有大概好幾千項的
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transcript.whisperx[8370].text 這個列管的項目讓你去填
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transcript.whisperx[8374].text 那我也可以自動化的勾稽
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transcript.whisperx[8380].text 叫部長您直接等一下的表態
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transcript.whisperx[8385].text 導入GS1的Summit 27
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transcript.whisperx[8386].text 是持安管理
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transcript.whisperx[8388].text 轉型為即時的預防的核心
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transcript.whisperx[8392].text 那部長您對本席這樣的修法提案
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transcript.whisperx[8393].text 您的建議是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[8394].text 您的看法是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[8398].text 剛開始的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8400].text 欣賞下面都在笑
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transcript.whisperx[8401].text 需要投入
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transcript.whisperx[8405].text 我想我們又要管理的
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transcript.whisperx[8406].text 越來越detail越來越複雜
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transcript.whisperx[8408].text 我想絕對是有幫忙
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transcript.whisperx[8409].text 包括他重點他是溯源
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transcript.whisperx[8410].text 他其實是線上從理生原料開始
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transcript.whisperx[8411].text 我的批號
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transcript.whisperx[8412].text 包括進到生產
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transcript.whisperx[8415].text 什麼通通都可以
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transcript.whisperx[8419].text 那其實都可以追溯出來的
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transcript.whisperx[8420].text 包括你這個產品
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transcript.whisperx[8421].text 最後是怎麼回收
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transcript.whisperx[8422].text 全部都
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transcript.whisperx[8423].text 而且你的標籤是不能貼的
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transcript.whisperx[8424].text 是直接在你的最後
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transcript.whisperx[8425].text 整個產品出來的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8426].text 直接烙印上去的
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transcript.whisperx[8427].text 所以這個現在大家
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transcript.whisperx[8428].text 我說我今天講這個都不是政治議題
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transcript.whisperx[8430].text 中央錯
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transcript.whisperx[8431].text 地方錯我都不管
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transcript.whisperx[8433].text 根本都不能解決問題
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transcript.whisperx[8434].text 不能解決
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transcript.whisperx[8437].text 要請部長您這個好好研究一下
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transcript.whisperx[8450].text 政府要支持他
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transcript.whisperx[8451].text 要編預算支持他
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transcript.whisperx[8452].text 我們的這個訓練能力要支持他
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transcript.whisperx[8459].text 接著請沈伯揚委員
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transcript.whisperx[8464].text 政委員好
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transcript.whisperx[8465].text 那這個因為
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transcript.whisperx[8466].text 我看到今天這個質詢也比較多
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transcript.whisperx[8467].text 那這個未完的時間
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transcript.whisperx[8468].text 通常也會稍微拉長一點
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transcript.whisperx[8469].text 所以我簡要問
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transcript.whisperx[8470].text 就是說我們接下來這一個修法
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transcript.whisperx[8471].text 有幾個方向
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transcript.whisperx[8472].text 那第一個方向就是說
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transcript.whisperx[8473].text 因為今天不管今天業者
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transcript.whisperx[8474].text 出了什麼問題
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transcript.whisperx[8475].text 今天業者他一定是
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transcript.whisperx[8476].text 驗了之後他發現有問題
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transcript.whisperx[8477].text 那我就看到
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transcript.whisperx[8482].text 我們就認為說
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transcript.whisperx[8490].text 他變成說他也往上報
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transcript.whisperx[8492].text 或許我們就可以及時的掌握到
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transcript.whisperx[8494].text 好那但是我們那時候在討論的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8497].text 到底要設門檻還是不要
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transcript.whisperx[8498].text 也就是說
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transcript.whisperx[8499].text 比如說他是有疑慮的
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transcript.whisperx[8500].text 或他超標了
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transcript.whisperx[8502].text 還是說不管結果為何
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transcript.whisperx[8503].text 他都要回報
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transcript.whisperx[8504].text 那在這邊我看到
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transcript.whisperx[8505].text 院板的設計看起來
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transcript.whisperx[8506].text 就是無論如何他都要回報
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transcript.whisperx[8508].text 我們是用一個授權的
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transcript.whisperx[8509].text 授權辦法會來逐步推動
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transcript.whisperx[8511].text 哪一些是比較高風險的
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transcript.whisperx[8512].text 或者是影響性比較大的
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transcript.whisperx[8518].text 全面的系統化之後就接接了
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transcript.whisperx[8519].text API接接整個接接起來
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transcript.whisperx[8520].text 所以他就不需要再另外通報
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transcript.whisperx[8521].text 等於就等於
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transcript.whisperx[8523].text 所以我們是
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transcript.whisperx[8525].text 好那所以就是說
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transcript.whisperx[8527].text 那方便嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8528].text 因為這已經就不會說什麼
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transcript.whisperx[8529].text 你要跟不要
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transcript.whisperx[8532].text 那這樣的話當然會比較好
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transcript.whisperx[8533].text 那前面剛剛不早提到就是說
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transcript.whisperx[8535].text 你可能還是會分門別類
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transcript.whisperx[8539].text 這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[8540].text 又把它當作是一個判斷標準
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transcript.whisperx[8544].text 因為這種時候就是最容易有
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transcript.whisperx[8547].text 其實食品安全是科學
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transcript.whisperx[8555].text 就是我們從過去的
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transcript.whisperx[8556].text 食安查核的結果
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transcript.whisperx[8563].text 要進來
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transcript.whisperx[8565].text 好 那這個應該就是
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transcript.whisperx[8567].text 這個沒問題
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transcript.whisperx[8576].text 畢竟它發生了
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transcript.whisperx[8595].text 那地方政府這一個
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transcript.whisperx[8596].text 如果我們從預防的角度來看
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transcript.whisperx[8599].text 就是他得去做這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[8600].text 那我看到現在修正的方向
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transcript.whisperx[8601].text 是說好那我們把得改成因對不對
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transcript.whisperx[8602].text 但是把得改成因
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transcript.whisperx[8603].text 在法律上很有意義
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transcript.whisperx[8604].text 他就一定要做
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transcript.whisperx[8605].text 但是他如果不做呢
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transcript.whisperx[8606].text 因為如果他不做的話
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transcript.whisperx[8607].text 我們很少會直接給予這個
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transcript.whisperx[8608].text 因為有些中央跟地方分層
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transcript.whisperx[8609].text 你不會說那地方政府不做
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transcript.whisperx[8610].text 所以我們要怎樣
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transcript.whisperx[8611].text 這個很難
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transcript.whisperx[8612].text 所以就變成說
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transcript.whisperx[8613].text 我認同就是說我們把得變成因
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transcript.whisperx[8614].text 這個是法律上一個重要的宣示
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transcript.whisperx[8615].text 但是在實際執行層面上面
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transcript.whisperx[8616].text 如果他就是還是不做
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transcript.whisperx[8617].text 那我們該怎麼辦
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transcript.whisperx[8618].text 當然這個行政機關
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transcript.whisperx[8619].text 自然有立法機關的監督
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transcript.whisperx[8620].text 我們在法裡面很少
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transcript.whisperx[8621].text 我們是明定要去罰這個行政部
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transcript.whisperx[8622].text 這個要罰的方式大概是不可能
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transcript.whisperx[8623].text 這是不可能
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transcript.whisperx[8624].text 沒有辦法直接去
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transcript.whisperx[8625].text 跟地方政府說這個要處罰
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transcript.whisperx[8626].text 那可能就回到
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transcript.whisperx[8627].text 比如說好監察機關
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transcript.whisperx[8628].text 但我們現在監察機關
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transcript.whisperx[8629].text 現在看起來有點不太能運作
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transcript.whisperx[8630].text 這會是一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[8631].text 那如果說要等到政治的責任
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transcript.whisperx[8632].text 那又要等
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transcript.whisperx[8633].text 這這個責任是幾年的問題
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transcript.whisperx[8634].text 所以我覺得這一個在設計上面
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transcript.whisperx[8635].text 就是我們當然可以跟大家講說
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transcript.whisperx[8636].text 我們把得改成因
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transcript.whisperx[8637].text 這件事情是重要的
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transcript.whisperx[8638].text 但我覺得可能到最後也要明白的
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transcript.whisperx[8639].text 知道說這件事情在實行上面
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transcript.whisperx[8640].text 其實是有困境
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transcript.whisperx[8641].text 那我也有看到
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transcript.whisperx[8642].text 院板有一個
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transcript.whisperx[8643].text 這個我會有點擔心就是說
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transcript.whisperx[8644].text 好那如果今天地方都不做
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transcript.whisperx[8645].text 反正我們中央
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transcript.whisperx[8646].text 開始成立一個任務的小組
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transcript.whisperx[8647].text 然後來開始處理
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transcript.whisperx[8648].text 這些相關的問題
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transcript.whisperx[8649].text 這樣這個把權責
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transcript.whisperx[8650].text 直接說好啦
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transcript.whisperx[8651].text 那如果你不做
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transcript.whisperx[8652].text 那我來弄
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transcript.whisperx[8653].text 我來弄
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transcript.whisperx[8654].text 你要確保有這樣的人力跟資源
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transcript.whisperx[8655].text 我是怕說人力跟資源不足
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transcript.whisperx[8656].text 那這個對方不做
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transcript.whisperx[8657].text 那我就來做
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transcript.whisperx[8658].text 但是你的人力跟資源不足的狀況之下
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transcript.whisperx[8659].text 你要幫他來做這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[8660].text 這個可能也會有人力跟資源
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transcript.whisperx[8661].text 配置上的問題
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transcript.whisperx[8662].text 我覺得這可能要思考一下
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transcript.whisperx[8663].text 當然這個在逐條的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8664].text 我覺得可以慢慢來討論
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transcript.whisperx[8665].text 但我覺得我們先有這樣的一個大方向
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transcript.whisperx[8666].text 就是說我們也是要讓大家知道
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transcript.whisperx[8667].text 這個食安法上面的宣示確實是重要
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transcript.whisperx[8668].text 但是如果他真的不執行的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8669].text 他就是沒有要去檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[8670].text 那我們到底應該要怎麼辦
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transcript.whisperx[8671].text 這個其實應該清楚的讓社會大眾知道
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transcript.whisperx[8672].text 或者看一下有什麼機制
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transcript.whisperx[8673].text 我認為比較好的機制
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transcript.whisperx[8674].text 反而是一開始講的那一個
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transcript.whisperx[8675].text 就是讓檢驗的單位變成
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transcript.whisperx[8676].text 變成是一個要回報
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transcript.whisperx[8677].text 他又沒有決定空間
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transcript.whisperx[8678].text 他就直接上傳
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transcript.whisperx[8679].text 那這樣的話
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transcript.whisperx[8680].text 至少我們能夠資訊的掌握就會更明確
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transcript.whisperx[8681].text 我覺得這個反而是一個好的方向
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transcript.whisperx[8682].text 那其他的話
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transcript.whisperx[8683].text 我覺得不是要慎重考慮
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transcript.whisperx[8684].text 而是在修法討論的過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[8685].text 民眾必須要知道這一點
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transcript.whisperx[8686].text
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transcript.whisperx[8687].text 很謝謝委員很深入
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transcript.whisperx[8688].text 非常深入又專業給我們的建議
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transcript.whisperx[8689].text 很謝謝您的提醒
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transcript.whisperx[8690].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[8691].text 那我就先問到這邊
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transcript.whisperx[8692].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[8693].text 謝謝部長
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transcript.whisperx[8694].text
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transcript.whisperx[8695].text 謝謝什麼樣的委員
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transcript.whisperx[8696].text 那接著請楊耀委員
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transcript.whisperx[8697].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[8698].text 主席請一下時部長
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transcript.whisperx[8699].text 好請時部長
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transcript.whisperx[8700].text 楊委員好
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transcript.whisperx[8701].text 部長好
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transcript.whisperx[8702].text 部長我其實很無奈
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transcript.whisperx[8703].text 因為我實在不知道請誰
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transcript.whisperx[8704].text 請誰出來
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transcript.whisperx[8705].text 回答我的質詢
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transcript.whisperx[8706].text 因為
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transcript.whisperx[8707].text 我來立法院以後
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transcript.whisperx[8708].text 大概跟你共事了那麼久
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transcript.whisperx[8709].text 我很清楚你不是一個
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transcript.whisperx[8710].text 會蓋牌斥案當門神的人
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transcript.whisperx[8711].text 那今天這樣子的
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transcript.whisperx[8712].text 專題報告的題目
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transcript.whisperx[8713].text 其實我讓你上來回答問題
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transcript.whisperx[8714].text 我覺得對你很不禮貌
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transcript.whisperx[8715].text 不會
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transcript.whisperx[8716].text 很謝謝委員的肯定
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transcript.whisperx[8717].text 不過
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transcript.whisperx[8718].text 我講實話的人
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transcript.whisperx[8719].text 就是說
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transcript.whisperx[8720].text 不過不找你好像也不行
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transcript.whisperx[8721].text 因為剛剛我的助理
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transcript.whisperx[8722].text 跟我講了說
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transcript.whisperx[8723].text 盧學院市長已經認證了
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transcript.whisperx[8724].text 江志康署長
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transcript.whisperx[8725].text 不是門神
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transcript.whisperx[8726].text 就是今天的題目
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transcript.whisperx[8727].text 我其實看到題目的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8728].text 我就有一點想放棄
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transcript.whisperx[8729].text 這一次的質詢
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transcript.whisperx[8730].text 因為對你們很不禮貌
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transcript.whisperx[8731].text 不過我既然來了
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transcript.whisperx[8732].text 我們還是探討一些問題
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transcript.whisperx[8733].text 好不好
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transcript.whisperx[8734].text 部長你很詳細的講一下
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transcript.whisperx[8735].text 就是你
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transcript.whisperx[8736].text 你認為
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transcript.whisperx[8737].text A
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transcript.whisperx[8738].text 太糖
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transcript.whisperx[8739].text 在發現了以後
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transcript.whisperx[8740].text 在發現原料有問題了以後
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transcript.whisperx[8741].text 沒有通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[8742].text 你嘗試著簡單二要的講一下
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transcript.whisperx[8743].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[8744].text 大家對於這個太糖的期望
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transcript.whisperx[8745].text 讓他做更多一點
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transcript.whisperx[8746].text 更多一點這個做法
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transcript.whisperx[8747].text 多做一點
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transcript.whisperx[8748].text 我想這些大家都是期待的
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transcript.whisperx[8749].text 這個我也認同
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transcript.whisperx[8750].text 但是依法論法要處分的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8751].text 我們還是要回到法律的授權
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transcript.whisperx[8752].text 法律的明確原則
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transcript.whisperx[8753].text 我第一次就講了
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transcript.whisperx[8754].text 法律有規定義務
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transcript.whisperx[8755].text 還有責任
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transcript.whisperx[8756].text 假如沒有的話
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transcript.whisperx[8757].text 就是我們叫做急功耗益
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transcript.whisperx[8758].text 這個是額外的東西
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transcript.whisperx[8759].text 我們現在是在講
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transcript.whisperx[8760].text 他有沒有在法律上
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transcript.whisperx[8761].text 他應不應該
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transcript.whisperx[8762].text 有沒有負擔通報的責任
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transcript.whisperx[8763].text
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transcript.whisperx[8764].text 所以我們回到這個
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transcript.whisperx[8765].text 這個太糖的這一批貨
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transcript.whisperx[8766].text 中聯的這個311油槽
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transcript.whisperx[8767].text 他是脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[8768].text 那麼我們法律上有訂出
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transcript.whisperx[8769].text 這個衛生安全標準的
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transcript.whisperx[8770].text 指的是實用油脂
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transcript.whisperx[8771].text 最終那個產品的2.0PPB
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transcript.whisperx[8772].text 我們是訂這個
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transcript.whisperx[8773].text 所以我們並沒有去訂脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[8774].text 或者是黃豆
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transcript.whisperx[8775].text 他的食品安全標準
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transcript.whisperx[8776].text 沒有訂這個
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transcript.whisperx[8777].text 所以當然就太糖而言
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transcript.whisperx[8778].text 他拿的是脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[8779].text 雖然他的這個驗收標準
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transcript.whisperx[8780].text 他無法通過
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transcript.whisperx[8781].text 但是不等於我們現在所公佈的
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transcript.whisperx[8782].text 食品油脂他超標的
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transcript.whisperx[8783].text 這個是不相等
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transcript.whisperx[8784].text 所以從法律義務上來講
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transcript.whisperx[8785].text 他當然是沒有這個通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[8786].text 所以這個是
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transcript.whisperx[8787].text 我想是很清楚的
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transcript.whisperx[8788].text 但是大家希望
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transcript.whisperx[8789].text 食安大家共同把關
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transcript.whisperx[8790].text 人人有責
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transcript.whisperx[8791].text 大家都來通報
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transcript.whisperx[8792].text 這個我們絕對是鼓勵的
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transcript.whisperx[8793].text 對啦
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transcript.whisperx[8794].text 就是單純的期待
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transcript.whisperx[8795].text 跟法律刻意的義務是兩件事
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transcript.whisperx[8796].text 我們當然也希望
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transcript.whisperx[8797].text 不只台糖
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transcript.whisperx[8798].text 任何公司甚至於一般的民眾
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transcript.whisperx[8799].text 知道了以後就通報
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transcript.whisperx[8800].text 只是說這個不應該當作責任
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transcript.whisperx[8801].text 然後把它引爆成一個政治的議題
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transcript.whisperx[8802].text 我覺得要我講
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transcript.whisperx[8803].text 要我講我就是覺得
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transcript.whisperx[8804].text 食安法該修
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transcript.whisperx[8805].text 我們趕快來修啦
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transcript.whisperx[8806].text 那討論這個案子討論太久了啦
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transcript.whisperx[8807].text 應不應該再
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transcript.whisperx[8808].text 我說真的就是說衛福部
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transcript.whisperx[8809].text 管得就已經夠多了
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transcript.whisperx[8810].text 食藥署管得
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transcript.whisperx[8811].text 也很多啦
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transcript.whisperx[8812].text 從藥品到化妝品到
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transcript.whisperx[8813].text 柴米油鹽可能柴沒有啦
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transcript.whisperx[8814].text 醬醋茶都歸你們啦
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transcript.whisperx[8815].text 肉製品也歸你們啦
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transcript.whisperx[8816].text 有沒有那麼多的人力跟財力
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transcript.whisperx[8817].text 可以去支應
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transcript.whisperx[8819].text 少部分人的期待啦
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transcript.whisperx[8820].text 我為什麼說少部分人的期待
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transcript.whisperx[8821].text 因為
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transcript.whisperx[8822].text 我自己的觀察可能彭無比較偏遠
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transcript.whisperx[8823].text 我說真的我在這段時間
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transcript.whisperx[8824].text 在彭無並沒有很多民眾
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transcript.whisperx[8825].text 跟我反應到有此的問題啦
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transcript.whisperx[8826].text 因為我們很快就讓他下架了
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transcript.whisperx[8827].text 我們在7月2號就發布
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transcript.whisperx[8828].text 7月3號那個油品就下架了
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transcript.whisperx[8829].text 然後到7月9號還擴大
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transcript.whisperx[8830].text 全面4到6月都下架
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transcript.whisperx[8831].text 所以安全的用油是我們的責任
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transcript.whisperx[8832].text 這個絕對沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[8833].text 這個就我講的嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8834].text 就現在的食安法
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transcript.whisperx[8835].text 並沒有課與中央直接查場的義務嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8836].text 你們只有成立專案嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8837].text 現在目前對不對
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transcript.whisperx[8838].text 查場的直接是在41條的規定
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transcript.whisperx[8839].text 這是地方政府
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transcript.whisperx[8840].text 那必要的時候中央當然也可以來做
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transcript.whisperx[8841].text 那必要也都是
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transcript.whisperx[8842].text 所謂的必要坦白講啦
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transcript.whisperx[8843].text 就是風暴產生以後才會有必要啦
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transcript.whisperx[8844].text 要不然你們也不會
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transcript.whisperx[8845].text 你們沒有那麼多的人力跟資源可以去
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transcript.whisperx[8846].text 查場在地方
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transcript.whisperx[8847].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[8848].text 查場的責任在地方嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8849].text 那有關中央的部分
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transcript.whisperx[8850].text 就是第一時間
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transcript.whisperx[8851].text 應該下架的也都下架完了嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8852].text 那我從第一次
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transcript.whisperx[8853].text 這個專題你討論好幾次了啦
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transcript.whisperx[8854].text 我從第一次就講
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transcript.whisperx[8855].text 就是該修法就趕快修嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8856].text 立法院覺得必須要課與衛福部跟食藥署
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transcript.whisperx[8857].text 很大的義務
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transcript.whisperx[8858].text 查場義務
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transcript.whisperx[8859].text 那也可以討論嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8860].text 那相對應的人力跟經費
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transcript.whisperx[8861].text 大家必須要共同來支持嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8862].text 就只有這樣子嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8863].text 我一直覺得把
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transcript.whisperx[8864].text 把一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[8865].text 把民生問題
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transcript.whisperx[8866].text 當作政治問題來炒作
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transcript.whisperx[8867].text 其實我不大喜歡啦
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transcript.whisperx[8868].text 我真的不大喜歡啦
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transcript.whisperx[8869].text 我覺得我們浪費太多時間
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transcript.whisperx[8870].text 在討論這個議題上面
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transcript.whisperx[8871].text 而且可能跟真正的民意有一點脫鉤啦
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transcript.whisperx[8872].text 就是像部長剛剛回答的
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transcript.whisperx[8873].text 民意
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transcript.whisperx[8874].text 民意的
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transcript.whisperx[8875].text 基層的聲音
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transcript.whisperx[8876].text 可能在我們下架完成的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8877].text 就結束了啦
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transcript.whisperx[8878].text 那接下來我們行政跟立法部門
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transcript.whisperx[8879].text 應該做的
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transcript.whisperx[8880].text 就是好好的坐下來
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transcript.whisperx[8881].text 趕快修法啦
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transcript.whisperx[8882].text 這個防止下一次
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transcript.whisperx[8883].text 不幸事件的產生
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transcript.whisperx[8884].text 這個才是更重要的啦
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transcript.whisperx[8885].text 那我剛剛
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transcript.whisperx[8886].text 聽沈柏楊委員在問啦
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transcript.whisperx[8887].text 我還是要
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transcript.whisperx[8888].text 我簡單問一個修法的問題
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transcript.whisperx[8889].text 就是
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transcript.whisperx[8890].text 通報的責任
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transcript.whisperx[8891].text 的對象
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transcript.whisperx[8892].text 我們在修法的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8893].text 院板已經提出了嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8894].text 有沒有擴大
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transcript.whisperx[8895].text 擴大賦予
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transcript.whisperx[8896].text 哪一些人
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transcript.whisperx[8897].text 那個通報的責任
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transcript.whisperx[8898].text 除了現有的食品業者之外
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transcript.whisperx[8899].text 我們擴大到檢驗單位
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transcript.whisperx[8900].text 檢驗單位
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transcript.whisperx[8901].text 我第一次質詢就講了嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8902].text 那第三個就是HACCP的認證單位
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transcript.whisperx[8903].text 他也要通報
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transcript.whisperx[8905].text 就是
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transcript.whisperx[8906].text 等於二級評管的也要通報
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transcript.whisperx[8907].text 我們一級評管是他的自驗嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8908].text 就廠商的自驗
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transcript.whisperx[8909].text 所以他自設的實驗室
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transcript.whisperx[8910].text 以後也要通報
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transcript.whisperx[8911].text 不只是第二級評管的外部實驗室
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transcript.whisperx[8912].text 那二級評管有外部的認證單位
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transcript.whisperx[8913].text 去查核HACCP的
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transcript.whisperx[8914].text 他發現異常也要通報
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transcript.whisperx[8915].text 他檢驗也要通報
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transcript.whisperx[8916].text 所以我們把通報的對象都擴大
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transcript.whisperx[8917].text 就是通報的程序
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transcript.whisperx[8918].text 要怎麼簡化精準
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transcript.whisperx[8919].text 要不然應該是
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transcript.whisperx[8920].text 只要有檢驗了
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transcript.whisperx[8921].text 其實通報一下
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transcript.whisperx[8922].text 現在的進展處理其實也不難啦
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transcript.whisperx[8923].text 那有通報就可以
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transcript.whisperx[8924].text 我們可以更早預警
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transcript.whisperx[8926].text 好啦
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transcript.whisperx[8927].text 還是要跟兩位致歉啦
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transcript.whisperx[8928].text 因為我覺得今天
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transcript.whisperx[8929].text 今天確實是不應該請你們上台的
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transcript.whisperx[8930].text 謝謝委員的指教
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transcript.whisperx[8931].text 在未來修法的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8932].text 我來請您多多指導
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transcript.whisperx[8933].text 大家一起努力
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transcript.whisperx[8934].text 我想食安大家都很重視
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transcript.whisperx[8935].text 並不代表大家對政治議題很重視
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transcript.whisperx[8936].text 這是兩回事
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transcript.whisperx[8937].text 我剛剛講的就是
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transcript.whisperx[8938].text 把食安問題當成政治問題
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transcript.whisperx[8939].text 這個本身就是一種錯誤
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transcript.whisperx[8940].text 好謝謝部長謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[8941].text 謝謝謝謝委員
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transcript.whisperx[8942].text 好謝謝楊二委員
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transcript.whisperx[8943].text 接著請劉建國委員
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transcript.whisperx[8944].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[8945].text 有請部長
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transcript.whisperx[8946].text 好請食部長
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transcript.whisperx[8947].text 立委員好
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transcript.whisperx[8948].text 部長好
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transcript.whisperx[8949].text 我要來釐清這個中聯問題
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transcript.whisperx[8950].text 遊品的這個事件
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transcript.whisperx[8951].text 你看這個時序看這樣對不對
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transcript.whisperx[8952].text 然後再跟你double check一下
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transcript.whisperx[8953].text 5月4號台黨知道中聯遊
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transcript.whisperx[8954].text 這個本匾比超標嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8955].text 然後再來5月18號是台黨拒收
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transcript.whisperx[8956].text 這該批的原料
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transcript.whisperx[8957].text 6月4號藍橋遊子自行送驗使發現異常
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transcript.whisperx[8958].text 10號藍橋遊子通知上友廠商扶壽公司
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transcript.whisperx[8959].text 30號中聯遊子正式向食藥署通報
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transcript.whisperx[8960].text 這這樣的時序對嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8961].text 不對不對
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transcript.whisperx[8962].text 那個更早是藍橋在5月13號
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transcript.whisperx[8963].text 他就已經驗出他自驗的第一個這個遊品超標
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transcript.whisperx[8964].text
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transcript.whisperx[8965].text 這是5月13號
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transcript.whisperx[8966].text 就是我們第一批這個要求下架的那一批是他驗出來的
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transcript.whisperx[8967].text 5月13號
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transcript.whisperx[8968].text 好OK
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transcript.whisperx[8969].text
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transcript.whisperx[8970].text 那5月15號驗的又不同
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transcript.whisperx[8971].text 他那個是脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[8972].text 並不是他沒有批號的
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transcript.whisperx[8973].text 5月13號藍橋驗的那個是有批號
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transcript.whisperx[8974].text 那個是0404的那個批號
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transcript.whisperx[8975].text 0404嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8976].text 對就是4月的那個遊品
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transcript.whisperx[8977].text 好沒關係我大致上這樣
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transcript.whisperx[8978].text 就承認部長剛剛有更正我們再來做一個修正
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transcript.whisperx[8979].text 那我是透過媒體的報導裡面
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transcript.whisperx[8980].text 應該就可以去斷定嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8981].text 中年他最少在10月份就知道他的油應該是有問題
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transcript.whisperx[8982].text 4月就應該知道了
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transcript.whisperx[8983].text 所以我在提供這個時序的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8984].text 又可以發現
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transcript.whisperx[8985].text 他5月就知道了
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transcript.whisperx[8986].text 最慢
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transcript.whisperx[8987].text 應該最早是5月前
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transcript.whisperx[8988].text 最慢就是5月中年自己知道
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transcript.whisperx[8989].text 他的油是有狀況的
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transcript.whisperx[8990].text 對因為這個
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transcript.whisperx[8991].text 據我們現在的了解
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transcript.whisperx[8992].text 5月15號台糖去送驗出這一個槽裡面
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transcript.whisperx[8993].text 他的這個VAP值之後
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transcript.whisperx[8994].text 中年有自己再驗一次
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transcript.whisperx[8995].text 所以他這一批就停在那裡
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transcript.whisperx[8996].text 就沒有再繼續做
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transcript.whisperx[8997].text 不過當時候他就應該了解
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transcript.whisperx[8998].text 他的整個製程或者是顏料上
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transcript.whisperx[8999].text 他就應該回頭去做一些處理
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transcript.whisperx[9000].text 那麼
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transcript.whisperx[9001].text 這個更謹慎的他後面的一些
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transcript.whisperx[9002].text 後續因為他還有很多批要出貨
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transcript.whisperx[9003].text 就應該要開始逐批檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[9004].text 他要賣貨給人家
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transcript.whisperx[9005].text 對方拒絕他
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transcript.whisperx[9006].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[9007].text 所以他應該也要給
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transcript.whisperx[9008].text 給台糖一個收穫才對
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transcript.whisperx[9009].text 應該是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[9010].text 應該是沒有收
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transcript.whisperx[9011].text 最後
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transcript.whisperx[9012].text 怎麼說就是他沒有去
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transcript.whisperx[9013].text 中原是不是到底怎麼去跟台糖講的
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transcript.whisperx[9014].text 總是有個說法
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transcript.whisperx[9015].text 這個說法到底怎麼樣我們不清楚
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transcript.whisperx[9016].text 不過當拒絕跟他購買這些
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transcript.whisperx[9017].text 這些
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transcript.whisperx[9018].text 這些原料的時候
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transcript.whisperx[9019].text 我在想說這個事情怎麼會到現在才
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transcript.whisperx[9020].text 實際上出來
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transcript.whisperx[9021].text 這是一件事情
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transcript.whisperx[9022].text 那第二件事情
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transcript.whisperx[9023].text 也就是不管
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transcript.whisperx[9024].text 不管4月中年自己知不知道
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transcript.whisperx[9025].text 到5月中他就必須知道
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transcript.whisperx[9026].text 而且他的油品已經被退貨
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transcript.whisperx[9027].text 有問題的部分
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transcript.whisperx[9028].text 不然6月12日也知道
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transcript.whisperx[9029].text 結果拖到6月30日才主動通報
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transcript.whisperx[9030].text 這個中間中原到底要幹什麼
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transcript.whisperx[9031].text 滿天過海企圖在下面證據
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transcript.whisperx[9032].text 這不可能啊
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transcript.whisperx[9033].text 也不可能嘛對不對
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transcript.whisperx[9034].text 不過我今天要突顯這個問題是要跟部長講說
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transcript.whisperx[9035].text 從這個時間表來看
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transcript.whisperx[9036].text 我覺得人性不可信
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transcript.whisperx[9037].text 人性不可信
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transcript.whisperx[9038].text 依食安法的規定
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transcript.whisperx[9039].text 台糖購買中聯的半成品不需通報
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transcript.whisperx[9040].text 所以台糖沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[9041].text 但依食安法的規定
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transcript.whisperx[9042].text 應該主動通報的藍僑也沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[9043].text 那為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[9044].text 因為藍僑拿到的是
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transcript.whisperx[9045].text 已經是油品了
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transcript.whisperx[9046].text 他已經是食用油品了
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transcript.whisperx[9047].text 那麼台糖去驗的這個叫脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[9048].text 脫膠原油
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transcript.whisperx[9050].text 那我們現在訂的扁平比標準指的就是
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transcript.whisperx[9053].text 部長我是想用另外一個層次去看待這個事情
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transcript.whisperx[9054].text 就是說
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transcript.whisperx[9055].text 不管台糖不管藍僑
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transcript.whisperx[9056].text 他們全部都是生命上往來的夥伴
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transcript.whisperx[9057].text 沒有錯
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transcript.whisperx[9058].text 也因為這樣
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transcript.whisperx[9060].text 不管是生意往來或是子母公司的關係鏈
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transcript.whisperx[9061].text 所以你要這些業者互相把關主動監督
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transcript.whisperx[9062].text 那又是在挑戰人性
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transcript.whisperx[9063].text
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transcript.whisperx[9064].text 所以我們未來修法上就是希望
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transcript.whisperx[9065].text 因為他都是送外驗
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transcript.whisperx[9066].text 這個第三個檢驗單位
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transcript.whisperx[9067].text 所以檢驗單位加上他可以通報
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transcript.whisperx[9068].text 那我們就可以提早有預警
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transcript.whisperx[9069].text 那甚至在報的部分的這個檢驗的結果
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transcript.whisperx[9070].text 我們也可以來討論
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transcript.whisperx[9071].text 更往前一點一些重要的節點上
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transcript.whisperx[9073].text 我們就可以更早有這個風險的預警
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transcript.whisperx[9074].text 所以說真的是沒有人可以保證
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transcript.whisperx[9075].text 以後絕對不會再有下游業者發生問題
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transcript.whisperx[9076].text 那上游製造業者用商業的壓力
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transcript.whisperx[9077].text 人情壓力等各種方式
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transcript.whisperx[9078].text 讓下游的業者不要去做通報
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transcript.whisperx[9079].text 這可能會再發生
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transcript.whisperx[9080].text 然後所以法律的修訂
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transcript.whisperx[9081].text 法律的制定不能去挑戰人性
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transcript.whisperx[9082].text 實在就是如此
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transcript.whisperx[9083].text 我想就是必須要有堅強的外部監制
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transcript.whisperx[9084].text 這樣的一個制度存在
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transcript.whisperx[9085].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[9086].text 所以我在我想本席在這次的宣傳裡面
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transcript.whisperx[9087].text 提案特別要求要增加公衛師食品技師
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transcript.whisperx[9088].text 在食品檢驗上的職能
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transcript.whisperx[9089].text 透過他們的監督才能落實這個食安的檢查
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transcript.whisperx[9090].text 我想是這個樣子
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transcript.whisperx[9091].text 所以不只是增加外部的稽查
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transcript.whisperx[9092].text 政府的查採也是非常重要
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transcript.whisperx[9093].text 就像台南市他可以擴大
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transcript.whisperx[9094].text 抽驗23件流品
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transcript.whisperx[9095].text 現在又發現3件的苦茶油
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transcript.whisperx[9096].text 當中這本扁比又是超標
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transcript.whisperx[9097].text NO
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transcript.whisperx[9098].text 為什麼現在才發現
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transcript.whisperx[9099].text 這是顯然過去地方單位在抽驗上
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transcript.whisperx[9100].text 還是都有些問題的存在
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transcript.whisperx[9101].text 還是都有些問題的存在
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transcript.whisperx[9102].text 所以今天原本要修
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transcript.whisperx[9103].text 現在又拖到現在
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transcript.whisperx[9104].text 所以如果根據三法第七條
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transcript.whisperx[9105].text 授權應訂定食品安全監測計畫
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transcript.whisperx[9107].text 最低檢驗週期及其他相關事項
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transcript.whisperx[9108].text 這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[9109].text 我也不會打算什麼時候修
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transcript.whisperx[9110].text 現在已經在進行修正
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transcript.whisperx[9111].text 我們會把它用成一個辦法
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transcript.whisperx[9112].text 然後去訂出不同的檢驗頻率
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transcript.whisperx[9113].text 上下層
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transcript.whisperx[9114].text 如果是最上層以中聯為例
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transcript.whisperx[9115].text 中聯這個都會要求他
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transcript.whisperx[9116].text 逐批檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[9117].text 然後下面第二層的
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transcript.whisperx[9118].text 這個泰山福壽的話
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transcript.whisperx[9119].text 就是暗劑檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[9120].text 我們就會提高他的檢驗的頻率了
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transcript.whisperx[9121].text 但是這個其他的事項基本上
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transcript.whisperx[9122].text 有需要我們再修十萬法過測
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transcript.whisperx[9123].text 這個不要
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transcript.whisperx[9124].text 這個授權我們就會
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transcript.whisperx[9125].text 所以這個應該就可以
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transcript.whisperx[9126].text 可以馬上來找手
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transcript.whisperx[9127].text 來做一些調整對不對
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transcript.whisperx[9128].text 因為目前辦法中明訂
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transcript.whisperx[9129].text 資本的三千萬以上的
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transcript.whisperx[9130].text 使用由此製造工廠
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transcript.whisperx[9131].text 及辦理商業登記公司登記
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transcript.whisperx[9132].text 每半年或每批檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[9133].text 至少一次對不對
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transcript.whisperx[9134].text 然後事實上天安政府
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transcript.whisperx[9135].text 也沒有照衛福部食藥署這個標準
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transcript.whisperx[9136].text 每半年或每批抽
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transcript.whisperx[9137].text 才導致今天中聯這個問題有
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transcript.whisperx[9139].text 應該是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[9140].text 所以如果依照這個抽驗標準
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transcript.whisperx[9141].text 應該就是趕快來修
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transcript.whisperx[9142].text 全面提高抽驗的一個標準
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transcript.whisperx[9143].text
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transcript.whisperx[9144].text 所以食安不能等啊
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transcript.whisperx[9145].text 那食安防
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transcript.whisperx[9146].text 跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[9147].text 我們現在其他這個大豆的
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transcript.whisperx[9148].text 另外這個最上游的這三家
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transcript.whisperx[9149].text 包含台糖、大統一還有常輝
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transcript.whisperx[9150].text 都已經要求足批檢驗了
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transcript.whisperx[9151].text 現在已經在做了
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transcript.whisperx[9152].text 已經要求他們足批檢驗了
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transcript.whisperx[9153].text 我想食安法送到立法院
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transcript.whisperx[9154].text 一定會用最快速度來修
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transcript.whisperx[9155].text 不過像今天這樣
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transcript.whisperx[9156].text 委員本來要審查現在排專報
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transcript.whisperx[9157].text 那可能今天就可能啦
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transcript.whisperx[9158].text 今天就會來不及處理嘛
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transcript.whisperx[9159].text 所以我才會說
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transcript.whisperx[9160].text 這個標準啦
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transcript.whisperx[9161].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[9162].text 是不是應該
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transcript.whisperx[9163].text
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transcript.whisperx[9164].text 因為這三個
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transcript.whisperx[9165].text 我們小館的相關的報告標準
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transcript.whisperx[9166].text 就先行
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transcript.whisperx[9167].text 不要等到食安法過後
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transcript.whisperx[9168].text 再來慢慢修嘛
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transcript.whisperx[9169].text 部長可以認同嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9170].text 可以
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transcript.whisperx[9171].text 這個多久可以提出最新的版本
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transcript.whisperx[9172].text 來進行公告
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transcript.whisperx[9173].text 因為我們現在已經要求業者做了
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transcript.whisperx[9174].text 但是我們這個還是要
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transcript.whisperx[9175].text 按照這個法規預告的程序
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transcript.whisperx[9176].text 我們在應該可以
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transcript.whisperx[9177].text 近期就提出預告
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transcript.whisperx[9178].text 因為我們大概已經修好
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transcript.whisperx[9179].text 你的近期是多近期
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transcript.whisperx[9180].text 明天
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transcript.whisperx[9181].text 下禮拜
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transcript.whisperx[9182].text 下禮拜預告應該是沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[9183].text 下禮拜預告
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transcript.whisperx[9184].text 好 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9185].text 因為我們先修了這個
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transcript.whisperx[9186].text 食安法的草案
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transcript.whisperx[9187].text 這個是授權辦法
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transcript.whisperx[9188].text 我們同步在進行
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transcript.whisperx[9189].text 所以這個我們內部上已經
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transcript.whisperx[9190].text 下週就可以預告了
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transcript.whisperx[9191].text 下週就可以預告
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transcript.whisperx[9192].text 好 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9193].text 好 部長再看
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transcript.whisperx[9194].text 還是算先不回去了
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transcript.whisperx[9195].text 772公民團體到衛福部門口陳情
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transcript.whisperx[9196].text 這個部長
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transcript.whisperx[9197].text 有走路了吧
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transcript.whisperx[9198].text 年短料推的透明餐桌
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transcript.whisperx[9199].text 年屬 玉修法標示主要原料產地
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transcript.whisperx[9200].text 那這個
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transcript.whisperx[9201].text 上下有文化基金會指出
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transcript.whisperx[9202].text 現行制度下國外
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transcript.whisperx[9203].text 原料經加工後
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transcript.whisperx[9204].text 即可標示為台灣製造
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transcript.whisperx[9205].text 消費者難以辨識主要原料來源
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transcript.whisperx[9206].text 也因此才會發起
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transcript.whisperx[9207].text 透明餐桌的連署
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transcript.whisperx[9208].text 要求主管機關來修法
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transcript.whisperx[9209].text 並在政策制定過程中
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transcript.whisperx[9210].text 落實社會對話
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transcript.whisperx[9211].text 提升食品標示的透明度
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transcript.whisperx[9212].text 有掌握吧
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transcript.whisperx[9213].text 這個我們也有在研究
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transcript.whisperx[9214].text 其實跟委員說
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transcript.whisperx[9215].text 今年7月1號開始
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transcript.whisperx[9216].text 所有的這個
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transcript.whisperx[9217].text 要稱為鮮乳的
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transcript.whisperx[9218].text 它一定是要台灣的牛
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transcript.whisperx[9219].text 牛奶才可以稱為鮮乳
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transcript.whisperx[9220].text 其他都只能外國來的都
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transcript.whisperx[9221].text 你到台灣來加工也沒有用
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transcript.whisperx[9222].text 都只能稱為牛乳
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transcript.whisperx[9223].text 所以有這種區別
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transcript.whisperx[9224].text 這個我處理過我知道
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transcript.whisperx[9225].text 而且那14天內
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transcript.whisperx[9226].text
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transcript.whisperx[9227].text 這個也處理很久
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transcript.whisperx[9228].text 三個部會說整個部位就對了
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transcript.whisperx[9229].text
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transcript.whisperx[9230].text 所以未來我們也是朝這個方向來
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transcript.whisperx[9231].text 凸顯這個在地的食材
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transcript.whisperx[9232].text 那麼製造的原料跟它的食品
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transcript.whisperx[9233].text 對啦所以部長用鮮乳
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transcript.whisperx[9234].text 這事情來講
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transcript.whisperx[9235].text 我想我在處理過程內
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transcript.whisperx[9236].text 我非常清楚啦
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transcript.whisperx[9237].text 然後用這樣的比喻
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transcript.whisperx[9238].text 也很適切啦
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transcript.whisperx[9239].text 所以其實這個是
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transcript.whisperx[9240].text 很重要的食材問題啦
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transcript.whisperx[9241].text 目前法規上不對原料來源
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transcript.whisperx[9242].text 只要在台灣加工之後
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transcript.whisperx[9243].text 就叫做台灣製造
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transcript.whisperx[9244].text 那鮮乳部位就不可能了嘛
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transcript.whisperx[9245].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[9246].text
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transcript.whisperx[9247].text 那對於台灣還有一個
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transcript.whisperx[9248].text 有機也不可能啊
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transcript.whisperx[9249].text 那對台灣長期經營的MIT的招牌
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transcript.whisperx[9250].text 坦白講
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transcript.whisperx[9251].text 如果這個不趕快去修
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transcript.whisperx[9252].text 其實對台灣是不好的
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transcript.whisperx[9253].text 對我們招牌是不好的嘛
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transcript.whisperx[9254].text 所以有意要支持台灣本地的
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transcript.whisperx[9255].text 農產品的民眾
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transcript.whisperx[9256].text 他也是會非常混淆
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transcript.whisperx[9257].text 所以對鮮乳種植的
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transcript.whisperx[9258].text 這個原物料的農民來講
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transcript.whisperx[9259].text 更是不公平
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transcript.whisperx[9260].text 我有去盤點啦
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transcript.whisperx[9261].text 就是諸如澳洲加拿大日本
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transcript.whisperx[9262].text 南韓都有相關的規定
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transcript.whisperx[9263].text 甚至於南韓細緻到
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transcript.whisperx[9264].text 你知道前三大原料都要標明原料股
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transcript.whisperx[9265].text 這個表格
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transcript.whisperx[9266].text 部長簡單看一下
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transcript.whisperx[9267].text 是個國家
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transcript.whisperx[9268].text 那本次我們提案的這個版本中
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transcript.whisperx[9269].text 第22條
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transcript.whisperx[9270].text 就在響應公民團體之之活動
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transcript.whisperx[9271].text 要求加工食品應標示
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transcript.whisperx[9272].text 其主要食品原料之原產地
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transcript.whisperx[9273].text 所以這次修法中
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transcript.whisperx[9274].text 我要請部長 署長可以支持
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transcript.whisperx[9275].text 也請委員會可以支持
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transcript.whisperx[9276].text 我們一同保護MIT的招牌
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transcript.whisperx[9277].text 照顧我們本土人民
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transcript.whisperx[9278].text 也讓保障消費者執勤的權利
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transcript.whisperx[9279].text 坦白講
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transcript.whisperx[9280].text 我那天是有跟書上講
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transcript.whisperx[9281].text 我覺得我們還是要加快腳步
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transcript.whisperx[9282].text 不一定要等到我們現在
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transcript.whisperx[9283].text 再處理這個修法的方式
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transcript.whisperx[9284].text 這其實現在是可以做
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transcript.whisperx[9285].text 台灣的有據這次要標示
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transcript.whisperx[9286].text 台灣的有據就要直接標示了
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transcript.whisperx[9287].text 用標示的要求
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transcript.whisperx[9288].text 好嗎 時間到了
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transcript.whisperx[9289].text 你先檢討一下
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transcript.whisperx[9290].text 我希望是不是能在
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transcript.whisperx[9291].text 那個辦法的修訂
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transcript.whisperx[9292].text 下禮拜的公告
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transcript.whisperx[9293].text 連這件事情也一併可以來解決
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transcript.whisperx[9295].text 請部長跟署長
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transcript.whisperx[9296].text 來 請出議議
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transcript.whisperx[9297].text
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transcript.whisperx[9298].text 接著請李坤城委員
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transcript.whisperx[9299].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[9300].text 我們請部長
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transcript.whisperx[9301].text 前市部長
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transcript.whisperx[9302].text 李委員好
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transcript.whisperx[9303].text 部長好 辛苦了
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transcript.whisperx[9304].text 今天的這個專報
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transcript.whisperx[9305].text 這個中央一昧的
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transcript.whisperx[9306].text 蓋牌吃案當門神
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transcript.whisperx[9307].text 這七個字其實應該
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transcript.whisperx[9308].text 送還給盧秀燕
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transcript.whisperx[9309].text 先射箭再畫吧
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transcript.whisperx[9310].text 現在已經講說這個台唐有獅子等等之類的
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transcript.whisperx[9311].text 這個其實就是盧秀燕他們
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transcript.whisperx[9312].text 在推卸責任
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transcript.whisperx[9313].text 這整件事情要通報的
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transcript.whisperx[9314].text 其實是中聯
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transcript.whisperx[9315].text 中聯是在台中
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transcript.whisperx[9316].text 中聯應該去跟台中市政府通報
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transcript.whisperx[9317].text 整件事情沒有通報的就是中聯
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transcript.whisperx[9318].text 問題在中聯
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transcript.whisperx[9319].text 問題在台中市政府
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transcript.whisperx[9320].text 結果因為台唐的關係
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transcript.whisperx[9321].text 它是國營事業
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transcript.whisperx[9322].text 然後現在就發現說
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transcript.whisperx[9323].text 台唐好像五月份就知道了
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transcript.whisperx[9324].text 所以它現在就轉移焦點到台唐的身上
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transcript.whisperx[9325].text 那我先請教一下部長好了
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transcript.whisperx[9326].text 這個台唐在五月的時候
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transcript.whisperx[9327].text 自主檢驗的時候發現了本評比鈔標
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transcript.whisperx[9328].text 那這個本評比鈔標是
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transcript.whisperx[9329].text 實際上是
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transcript.whisperx[9330].text 實際上是審法規定
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transcript.whisperx[9331].text 它這個原油有本評比鈔標
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transcript.whisperx[9332].text 那就要退回呢
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transcript.whisperx[9333].text 那還是說是這個台唐自己的規定
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transcript.whisperx[9334].text 跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[9335].text 我們現在所訂的本評比2.0PPB的標準
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transcript.whisperx[9336].text 是實用油脂
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transcript.whisperx[9337].text 也就是它的最終可食用的油
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transcript.whisperx[9338].text 吃的油
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transcript.whisperx[9339].text 對吃的油
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transcript.whisperx[9340].text 那麼台唐去驗的是它要買的粗油
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transcript.whisperx[9341].text 就是脫膠原油是粗油
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transcript.whisperx[9342].text 所以那個是沒有訂本評比標準的
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transcript.whisperx[9343].text 所以它對驗是根據
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transcript.whisperx[9344].text 審法沒有規定
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transcript.whisperx[9345].text 對沒有
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transcript.whisperx[9346].text 相關的法律也都沒有規定
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transcript.whisperx[9347].text 沒有
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transcript.whisperx[9348].text 這是台唐自己規定的
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transcript.whisperx[9349].text 對這是台唐自己的
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transcript.whisperx[9350].text 採購的合約裡面的要求
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transcript.whisperx[9351].text 我有看了
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transcript.whisperx[9352].text 它是說這個是因為考量成本的關係
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transcript.whisperx[9353].text 本評比在2以下的話
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transcript.whisperx[9354].text 它後面的製程比較簡單
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transcript.whisperx[9355].text 它只要控制溫度就好
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transcript.whisperx[9356].text 因為溫度高起來還是會高起來
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transcript.whisperx[9357].text 所以這就是台唐自己的一個規定
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transcript.whisperx[9358].text 等於是內控成本的規定
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transcript.whisperx[9359].text 所以現在法律上沒有任何的規定
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transcript.whisperx[9360].text 就是說這個粗油本評比要在2以下
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transcript.whisperx[9361].text 沒有我們是規定的是最終的產品
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transcript.whisperx[9362].text 我們的食安法也是規定
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transcript.whisperx[9363].text 我們的食安法都是規定是產品
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transcript.whisperx[9364].text 就是我們吃的東西
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transcript.whisperx[9365].text 第七條
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transcript.whisperx[9366].text 那台唐買的這個粗油是不能吃的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9367].text 對不能吃
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transcript.whisperx[9368].text 那所以
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transcript.whisperx[9369].text 現在發現台唐發現說這個本評比
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transcript.whisperx[9370].text 超標有問題特意去給中聯嘛
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transcript.whisperx[9371].text 那這件事情就是說在5月份的這件事情上面
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transcript.whisperx[9372].text 台唐要去跟誰同胞
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transcript.whisperx[9373].text 因為他這個不是強制通報
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transcript.whisperx[9374].text 所以他這個
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transcript.whisperx[9375].text 現在的法令的規定
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transcript.whisperx[9376].text 是沒有這個通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[9377].text 但是中聯知道這個檢驗出來有超標的情形
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transcript.whisperx[9378].text 他也確實讓那一批就不動了
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transcript.whisperx[9379].text 不做後續的這個鏈油
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transcript.whisperx[9380].text 表示他已經知道
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transcript.whisperx[9381].text 他可能在製程當中是
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transcript.whisperx[9382].text 或者他的原料是有問題的
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transcript.whisperx[9383].text 所以這個時候
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transcript.whisperx[9384].text 他就應該要開始進行檢討
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transcript.whisperx[9385].text 對於後續的製程要加強檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[9386].text 那所以這個是個灰色地帶了
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transcript.whisperx[9387].text 就是中聯他被退貨了
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transcript.whisperx[9388].text 那他也知道說這個本評比有問題的
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transcript.whisperx[9389].text 那如果他拿這個東西再去製油
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transcript.whisperx[9390].text 那當然就會有問題
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transcript.whisperx[9391].text 可是在這個粗油的這個階段
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transcript.whisperx[9392].text 那他按規定他有要去通報嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9393].text 是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[9394].text 也沒有
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transcript.whisperx[9395].text 所以這就是一個灰色地帶
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transcript.whisperx[9396].text 那所以在實驗法修法的時候
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transcript.whisperx[9397].text 這部分會把它加進去嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9398].text 如果他不是產品
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transcript.whisperx[9399].text 因為我們現在是規定產品
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transcript.whisperx[9400].text 那現在就是說如果是他的上油
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transcript.whisperx[9401].text 就是粗油發現問題的時候
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transcript.whisperx[9402].text 有這個通報的機制嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9403].text 在我們行政院版本裡面
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transcript.whisperx[9404].text 有特別在第七條把它寫進來
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transcript.whisperx[9405].text 包含原料、半成品跟成品
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transcript.whisperx[9406].text 不過這個後面到底是不是全部
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transcript.whisperx[9407].text 我們還是會根據風險去分級的
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transcript.whisperx[9408].text 不然也會通報
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transcript.whisperx[9409].text 因為很多的原料
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transcript.whisperx[9410].text 我們並沒有特別去訂那個檢驗標準
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transcript.whisperx[9411].text 另外還要看到那個檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[9412].text 因為原料跟那個成品
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transcript.whisperx[9413].text 有時候樣態是差很遠的
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transcript.whisperx[9414].text 這個是黃豆變成油
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transcript.whisperx[9415].text 那還有更多到最後可能形態都不一樣的
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transcript.whisperx[9416].text 那個粗油除了來當變成油脂之外
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transcript.whisperx[9417].text 還可以變成什麼
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transcript.whisperx[9418].text 它可以做工業的潤滑油
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transcript.whisperx[9419].text 它可以去做肥皂
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transcript.whisperx[9420].text 所以不一定最後是人吃的水油油嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9422].text 所以他們也交給南亞塑膠
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transcript.whisperx[9423].text 他們會去在塑膠上製程上去使用
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transcript.whisperx[9424].text 那現在有這個主任檢察官陳檢察官
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transcript.whisperx[9425].text 他有講說台黨有通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[9426].text 那我就想說台黨通報的義務的法律規定在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[9427].text 因為目前我們前一段說話都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[9428].text 就是說它是
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transcript.whisperx[9429].text 這個粗油就是它不是產品的這一部分
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transcript.whisperx[9430].text 它有通報的義務嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9431].text 因為他現在他講這句話
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transcript.whisperx[9432].text 在台黨一直拿這句話在
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transcript.whisperx[9433].text 就是說台黨有通報義務
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transcript.whisperx[9434].text 那台黨為什麼不通報
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transcript.whisperx[9435].text 那可是剛剛跟部長討論的過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[9436].text 台黨的確在目前的這個法律規定上面
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transcript.whisperx[9437].text 台黨是沒有通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[9438].text 就是大家都會期待
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transcript.whisperx[9439].text 那麼國營事業要盡更多的社會責任
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transcript.whisperx[9440].text 這個期待我們大家都可以理解
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transcript.whisperx[9441].text 但是回到這個裁罰的時候
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transcript.whisperx[9442].text 我們還是得依法論法
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transcript.whisperx[9443].text 對 就依法論法
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transcript.whisperx[9444].text 對 就依法論法
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transcript.whisperx[9445].text 那所以台黨到目前為止有受到任何的裁罰嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9446].text 目前據我了解是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[9447].text 沒有 因為他沒有違反任何的規定
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transcript.whisperx[9448].text 對 這個地方政府也去了解
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transcript.whisperx[9449].text 但是因為他是國營事業
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transcript.whisperx[9450].text 我們希望說
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transcript.whisperx[9451].text 他如果知道有問題的趕快去講
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transcript.whisperx[9452].text 大概目前就是道德上面的
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transcript.whisperx[9453].text 道德上面的一個責任
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transcript.whisperx[9454].text 他應該去知道說有問題的
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transcript.whisperx[9455].text 他可能要去講
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transcript.whisperx[9456].text 這當然是我們從後面往前推
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transcript.whisperx[9457].text 這個是後見知名
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transcript.whisperx[9458].text 以當時候要他去判斷說
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transcript.whisperx[9459].text 這個到底這個風險有多少
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transcript.whisperx[9460].text 確實很多時候我們的事後諸葛
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transcript.whisperx[9461].text 都是會課於比較高的期待或要求
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transcript.whisperx[9462].text 對 所以說目前的修法就是
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transcript.whisperx[9463].text 把這個原料這部分
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transcript.whisperx[9464].text 就把它納進去
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transcript.whisperx[9465].text 對 所以其實這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[9466].text 你說台黨他的責任
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transcript.whisperx[9467].text 他沒有法律上的責任
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transcript.whisperx[9468].text 目前還在實行法律規定
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transcript.whisperx[9469].text 他的確是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[9470].text 但是我們只是說
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transcript.whisperx[9471].text 他現在被當作健保
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transcript.whisperx[9472].text 是因為他是國營事業
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transcript.whisperx[9473].text 被當作國營事業就是說
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transcript.whisperx[9474].text 你國營事業知道了
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transcript.whisperx[9475].text 為什麼不通報
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transcript.whisperx[9476].text 但是我要講
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transcript.whisperx[9477].text 他通報的是中聯
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transcript.whisperx[9478].text 做成有問題的產品是中聯
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transcript.whisperx[9479].text 中聯應該要去台中市政府通報
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transcript.whisperx[9480].text 他沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[9481].text 他的案子也跟南僑不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[9482].text 因為南僑是產品
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transcript.whisperx[9483].text 是不一樣的東西
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transcript.whisperx[9484].text 但是現在在來黨全部把他搞在一起
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transcript.whisperx[9485].text 就是說反正你為什麼南僑
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transcript.whisperx[9486].text 這個沒有通報的受罰
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transcript.whisperx[9487].text 為什麼台黨這個沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[9488].text 好像沒有事情
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transcript.whisperx[9489].text 回頭說發現說5月份
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transcript.whisperx[9490].text 5月份好像比這個
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transcript.whisperx[9491].text 中聯最後被發現
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transcript.whisperx[9492].text 6月底時間還早
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transcript.whisperx[9493].text 他們就轉移焦點了
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transcript.whisperx[9494].text 就轉到這邊去
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transcript.whisperx[9495].text 這政治的動作其實大家都知道
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transcript.whisperx[9496].text 其實大家都知道
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transcript.whisperx[9497].text 但是你們要講得更清楚
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transcript.whisperx[9498].text 只是說台黨在這件事情上面
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transcript.whisperx[9499].text 我認為是吃人們虧
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transcript.whisperx[9500].text 因為他是國營事業
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transcript.whisperx[9501].text 他是人們虧
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transcript.whisperx[9502].text 但是我希望說
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transcript.whisperx[9503].text 因為今天本來是要修法
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transcript.whisperx[9504].text 臨時加入這個專報
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transcript.whisperx[9505].text 就整個修法又延後了
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transcript.whisperx[9506].text 我們希望說
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transcript.whisperx[9507].text 把該補的洞補起來
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transcript.whisperx[9508].text 我想這才是大家所樂見的
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transcript.whisperx[9509].text 好 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9510].text 謝謝國營的指教
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transcript.whisperx[9511].text 好 謝謝李昆辰委員
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transcript.whisperx[9512].text 接著請陳英委員
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transcript.whisperx[9513].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9514].text 好 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[9515].text 那我們請
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transcript.whisperx[9516].text 今天很辛苦的我們的衛福部部長
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transcript.whisperx[9517].text 跟食藥署署長
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transcript.whisperx[9518].text 請部長跟署長
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transcript.whisperx[9519].text 陳也好
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transcript.whisperx[9520].text 兩位也好
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transcript.whisperx[9521].text 我們今天討論的這個食安法第七條
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transcript.whisperx[9522].text 通報的這個責任
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transcript.whisperx[9523].text 首先我想要請教部長的是
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transcript.whisperx[9524].text 在這裡面第五項的食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[9525].text 發現產品有危害衛生安全之虞時
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transcript.whisperx[9526].text 應即主動停止製造
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transcript.whisperx[9527].text 加工販賣及辦理回收
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transcript.whisperx[9528].text 並通報直轄縣市主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[9529].text 那是不是已經很清楚規範
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transcript.whisperx[9530].text 食品業者在發現產品
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transcript.whisperx[9531].text 有問題的時候
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transcript.whisperx[9532].text 應該通報地方主管機關對不對
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transcript.whisperx[9535].text 除了通報
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transcript.whisperx[9536].text 更重要的是應該要立即主動停止
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transcript.whisperx[9537].text 製造加工販賣及辦理回收
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transcript.whisperx[9538].text
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transcript.whisperx[9539].text 但是這個食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[9540].text 根據食安法的第三條的定義
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transcript.whisperx[9541].text 所以這裡面的食品業
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transcript.whisperx[9542].text 我們看一下就包括了
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transcript.whisperx[9543].text 從事食品或食品添加物
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transcript.whisperx[9544].text 製造加工調配包裝運送儲存
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transcript.whisperx[9545].text 販賣運輸輸出等等
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transcript.whisperx[9546].text 很多的不同分工的業者
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transcript.whisperx[9547].text 那這樣子的話
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transcript.whisperx[9548].text 有很多的業者
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transcript.whisperx[9549].text 其實嚴格說起來
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transcript.whisperx[9550].text 他們並不具備有發現危害之虞的能力
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transcript.whisperx[9551].text 這能力上看起來是不同的
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transcript.whisperx[9552].text 到底就是說什麼樣的食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[9553].text 在這個食安法裡面
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transcript.whisperx[9554].text 是有責任通報的呢
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transcript.whisperx[9555].text 部長
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transcript.whisperx[9556].text 就是這個食品業者的範圍很大
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transcript.whisperx[9557].text 剛剛提到的
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transcript.whisperx[9558].text 甚至到下端的食品販售業
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transcript.whisperx[9559].text 都會被納入是食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[9560].text 那麼因此我們在這個要求的通報上
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transcript.whisperx[9561].text 當然有不同的義務
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transcript.whisperx[9562].text 那麼譬如說他有發現是
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transcript.whisperx[9563].text 不應該有的雜質
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transcript.whisperx[9564].text 他這個是目視可發現的
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transcript.whisperx[9565].text 他也可以有通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[9566].text 那有些是需要靠檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[9567].text 才能夠驗得出
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transcript.whisperx[9568].text 他有沒有健康危害之虞
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transcript.whisperx[9569].text 所以他就
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transcript.whisperx[9570].text 大家每個業者的能力是不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[9571].text 本席認為
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transcript.whisperx[9572].text 就這個通報義務
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transcript.whisperx[9573].text 應該就是說根據
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transcript.whisperx[9574].text 就是說以業者的這個能力及這個責任
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transcript.whisperx[9575].text 要相匹配
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transcript.whisperx[9576].text 那課與這個各級業者通報的義務
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transcript.whisperx[9577].text 應該就是說
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transcript.whisperx[9578].text 因以這個業者
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transcript.whisperx[9579].text 他是否具備有相對的能力責任
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transcript.whisperx[9580].text 來做一個判斷的基準
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transcript.whisperx[9581].text 那凡是生產自由品牌的產品呢
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transcript.whisperx[9582].text 或者是這個從事生產加工調配
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transcript.whisperx[9583].text 以及這個在製造的業者呢
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transcript.whisperx[9584].text 都應該對這個產品安全
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transcript.whisperx[9585].text 及這個社會大眾要負起責任
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transcript.whisperx[9586].text 這些業者呢
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transcript.whisperx[9587].text 他具有發現產品危害的能力
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transcript.whisperx[9589].text 衛生的這個責任
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transcript.whisperx[9590].text 那所以呢
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transcript.whisperx[9591].text 本席在這裡是主張
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transcript.whisperx[9592].text 那這一類的業者
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transcript.whisperx[9593].text 我們都應該把他納入
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transcript.whisperx[9594].text 法定通報義務人的範圍嘛
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transcript.whisperx[9595].text 那這個我想這個大家都是有共識的
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transcript.whisperx[9596].text 如果說部長也認同的話
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transcript.whisperx[9597].text 那麼在後續修法的部分
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transcript.whisperx[9598].text 就應該要好好的來釐清說
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transcript.whisperx[9599].text 通報的這個責任義務人
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transcript.whisperx[9600].text 那現行的規定呢
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transcript.whisperx[9601].text 其實存有很大的這個模糊空間
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transcript.whisperx[9602].text 這也是這一次的這個遊品事件
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transcript.whisperx[9603].text 產生爭議的地方
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transcript.whisperx[9604].text 那我們回到
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transcript.whisperx[9605].text 問題一點喔
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transcript.whisperx[9606].text 目前對於這個加工跟調配的食品業者
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transcript.whisperx[9607].text 例如台糖
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transcript.whisperx[9608].text 是不是都需要從這個上游的這個原味料
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transcript.whisperx[9609].text 來進行檢測呢
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transcript.whisperx[9610].text 我們會有不同的要求
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transcript.whisperx[9611].text 因為有些原料我們並沒有
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transcript.whisperx[9612].text 訂這個安全衛生標準出來
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transcript.whisperx[9613].text 也就是說他也沒有特別的檢驗方法啦
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transcript.whisperx[9614].text 那有一些呢我們是不得添加
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transcript.whisperx[9615].text 就是這些是完全是不合法的
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transcript.whisperx[9616].text 那一種的話
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transcript.whisperx[9617].text 那就需要有這個製程上的把關的要求
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transcript.whisperx[9618].text 好這樣目前聽起來是
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transcript.whisperx[9619].text
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transcript.whisperx[9620].text 沒有很統一啦
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transcript.whisperx[9621].text 沒有很統一
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transcript.whisperx[9622].text 對那我
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transcript.whisperx[9623].text 不同類別是不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[9624].text 好我換一個方式來說啦來問
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transcript.whisperx[9625].text 那我可不可以我不檢測
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transcript.whisperx[9626].text 然後因為我沒有發現
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transcript.whisperx[9627].text 所以就沒有通報責任了
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transcript.whisperx[9628].text 例如這一次的這個台糖的事件
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transcript.whisperx[9630].text 他就沒有發現
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transcript.whisperx[9631].text 然後就不會上媒體
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transcript.whisperx[9632].text 然後他也沒有這個後續的這些
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transcript.whisperx[9633].text 因為他不測他也沒有違法嘛
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transcript.whisperx[9634].text 是這樣子吧
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transcript.whisperx[9635].text 反而就是說
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transcript.whisperx[9636].text 今天他自己檢測了
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transcript.whisperx[9637].text 然後他發現
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transcript.whisperx[9638].text 然後他自己封存
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transcript.whisperx[9639].text 他停止製造
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transcript.whisperx[9640].text 但是他沒有通報
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transcript.whisperx[9641].text 他反而有事了
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transcript.whisperx[9643].text 看起來好像是變相在鼓勵未來類似的
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transcript.whisperx[9644].text 像有廠商都不要去檢測
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transcript.whisperx[9645].text 就不會遇到問題
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transcript.whisperx[9646].text 好這個就是我們目前法規上最大的一個漏洞嘛
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transcript.whisperx[9647].text 好部長你才同意吧
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transcript.whisperx[9648].text 對就是說檢測應該也是分成兩種啦
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transcript.whisperx[9651].text 為了要更好的品質
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transcript.whisperx[9652].text 或者是安全的管控
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transcript.whisperx[9654].text 對那所以其實台糖在這次的事件當中
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transcript.whisperx[9656].text 還惹來後面這些麻煩嘛
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transcript.whisperx[9660].text 那總公司在B縣市
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transcript.whisperx[9662].text 跟總公司
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transcript.whisperx[9663].text 因為我們有規定要登錄的
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transcript.whisperx[9668].text 就是只要那個廠
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transcript.whisperx[9669].text 那個製造廠
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transcript.whisperx[9670].text 比如說他這次是在高雄小港嘛
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transcript.whisperx[9671].text 所以他就是登錄在高雄
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transcript.whisperx[9672].text 好那我們這個
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transcript.whisperx[9673].text 就是地方主管機關接獲通報之後
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transcript.whisperx[9676].text 他就是如果他通報了
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transcript.whisperx[9677].text 那那個地方主管
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transcript.whisperx[9678].text 比如說假設是台糖他通報
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transcript.whisperx[9679].text 通報當然是給他的這個縣市主管機關就是高雄
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transcript.whisperx[9681].text 那自然他就會變成是台中要去處理
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transcript.whisperx[9682].text 所以社交署有建立一個統一的SOP
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transcript.whisperx[9683].text 統一的SOP
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transcript.whisperx[9684].text 那因為但是我們會遇到一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[9685].text 就比如說像這個虎茶油
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transcript.whisperx[9686].text 虎茶油是在這個新北燕道
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transcript.whisperx[9689].text 雖然公司這個東西的公司
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transcript.whisperx[9690].text 這個產品的公司是登記在新北
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transcript.whisperx[9691].text 可是他的製造廠他是在嘉義
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transcript.whisperx[9694].text 所以可能在執行起來的時候
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transcript.whisperx[9695].text 他可能有些地方他困難度比較高
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transcript.whisperx[9696].text 那會人手不足等等
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transcript.whisperx[9699].text 當然我們現在盡可能的去協助大家
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transcript.whisperx[9703].text 也能夠依據他在地的這個食品廠
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transcript.whisperx[9704].text 這食品廠因為每個縣市的加速也都不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[9713].text 早期我們在發現那個說話機的時代應該有很大的進步
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transcript.whisperx[9716].text 還是很充足還是全
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transcript.whisperx[9717].text 報告委員這一次我們扁平皮
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transcript.whisperx[9718].text 扁平皮因為希望能夠一週內能夠達成檢驗能夠確立下來
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transcript.whisperx[9719].text 讓國人能夠釐清也讓所有的預防性下架後來能夠順利的能夠再清上架
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transcript.whisperx[9720].text 我們一個禮拜裡面驗了幾百個檢體
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transcript.whisperx[9721].text 講明白一點就是用了洪荒之力
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transcript.whisperx[9722].text 同仁們其實是
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transcript.whisperx[9723].text 所以你這樣你是說檢測專業人員是充足嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9725].text 洪荒之力就有夠了是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9726].text 不足的不足的
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transcript.whisperx[9727].text 不足的真的是不足的
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transcript.whisperx[9728].text 因為我的問題還蠻簡單你講完以後我就有點聽不懂
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transcript.whisperx[9729].text 那好現在這個高考分發可以引進這個具有這個專業能力的各位人員嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9730].text 現在他們是在高考的
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transcript.whisperx[9731].text 各種不同的專業的技術人員
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transcript.whisperx[9732].text 所以是可以引進嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9733].text 沒有特別一類
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transcript.whisperx[9734].text 對不是特別的一類
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transcript.whisperx[9735].text 都是衛生技術
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transcript.whisperx[9736].text 對衛生技術它是歸在衛生技術之類
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transcript.whisperx[9739].text 進來也要再執訓練
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transcript.whisperx[9740].text 所以目前就是說
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transcript.whisperx[9741].text 不容易培養
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transcript.whisperx[9742].text 我們這個具有專業能力的專職的公務員跟約聘僱員比例大概多少
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transcript.whisperx[9743].text 有掌握嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9744].text 大概現在利用約聘僱員比例其實是逐年的增加
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transcript.whisperx[9759].text 就是我們食藥署來支援
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transcript.whisperx[9768].text 看起來是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[9776].text 因為多年來我們這個醬油業者
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transcript.whisperx[9778].text 像立法委員一樣
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transcript.whisperx[9781].text 只有醬油有這種特殊待遇其他都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[9783].text 這兩個命運大不同標準也大不同
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transcript.whisperx[9789].text 都比不上這個影響人民的健康
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transcript.whisperx[9794].text 然後大家再來說我們停止不得販售
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transcript.whisperx[9795].text 因為發現需要時間確認危害之虞也需要時間
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transcript.whisperx[9796].text 那這個時間全部加起來都是這個法律漏洞影響人民的健康
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transcript.whisperx[9797].text 對也跟委員說明就是說一直靠外部的稽查這個資源也是有限
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transcript.whisperx[9798].text 所以也必須要照風險去做管理
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transcript.whisperx[9799].text 所以重要的是在一級跟二級品管
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transcript.whisperx[9800].text 所以一級品管的部分如何去強化我們這次修法會修進去
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transcript.whisperx[9801].text 他的檢驗的能力要自己提升
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transcript.whisperx[9802].text 而且這個檢驗的單位要經過主管機關認證
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transcript.whisperx[9803].text 然後未來他的檢驗結果也要跟我們去上傳
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transcript.whisperx[9804].text 這樣才能夠去強化這個內部的自主檢驗連結上外部的這個勾機
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transcript.whisperx[9805].text 那二級品管的部分也要去強化
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transcript.whisperx[9806].text 這些都是在避免說等到變成產品之後才發現問題
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transcript.whisperx[9807].text 所以一級二級品管重點都是在前面前端的預防
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transcript.whisperx[9808].text 所以我想今天很一個很重要的重點就是說
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transcript.whisperx[9809].text 也是很諷刺的事情就是因為台糖自己自己先驗了發現問題
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transcript.whisperx[9810].text 然後結果反而到底我們要怎麼去
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transcript.whisperx[9811].text 定義台糖這樣的一個舉動是對的還是不對的
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transcript.whisperx[9812].text 是很lucky的還是很倒楣的
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transcript.whisperx[9813].text 這個就是我想從這個案例我們在這個接下來的修法
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transcript.whisperx[9814].text 把這些灰色地帶都把它弄清楚這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[9815].text 好謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9817].text 好謝謝陳營委員
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transcript.whisperx[9818].text 接著請張雅玲委員
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transcript.whisperx[9819].text 張雅玲委員
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transcript.whisperx[9820].text 張雅玲委員不在
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transcript.whisperx[9821].text 盧憲毅委員
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transcript.whisperx[9822].text 盧憲毅委員
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transcript.whisperx[9823].text 盧憲毅委員不在
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transcript.whisperx[9824].text 鄭政前委員
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transcript.whisperx[9825].text 鄭政前委員
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transcript.whisperx[9826].text 鄭政前委員不在
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transcript.whisperx[9827].text 好本日議程報告及詢答完畢
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transcript.whisperx[9828].text 現在做以下決定
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transcript.whisperx[9829].text 委員
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transcript.whisperx[9830].text 徐欣穎
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transcript.whisperx[9834].text 所提書面質詢
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transcript.whisperx[9835].text 列入記錄刊登公報
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transcript.whisperx[9836].text 委員質詢未及答覆
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transcript.whisperx[9837].text 或請補充資料者
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transcript.whisperx[9838].text 請相關機關於兩週內以書面答覆
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transcript.whisperx[9839].text 委員另有要求期限者
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transcript.whisperx[9840].text 重新鎖定
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transcript.whisperx[9841].text 好待會我們休息五分鐘後
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transcript.whisperx[9842].text 與本會議室繼續審查
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transcript.whisperx[9844].text 部分條文修正草案等
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transcript.whisperx[9845].text 37案
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transcript.whisperx[9846].text 現在休息
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transcript.whisperx[9847].text 好像好像有一個
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transcript.whisperx[9848].text 好現在繼續開會
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transcript.whisperx[9852].text 37案
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transcript.whisperx[9853].text 好接著我們介紹在場的委員
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transcript.whisperx[9856].text 練習的官員
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transcript.whisperx[9872].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9875].text 簡俊良
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transcript.whisperx[9877].text 法務部參事汪南君
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transcript.whisperx[9887].text 杜嘉文
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transcript.whisperx[9889].text 經濟科股長沈梅君
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transcript.whisperx[9890].text 保安警察第七總隊第三大隊
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transcript.whisperx[9891].text 副大隊長徐祥偉
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transcript.whisperx[9892].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[9894].text 先做以下說明
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transcript.whisperx[9895].text 一 本委員會已在
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transcript.whisperx[9896].text 一百一十五年七月八日
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transcript.whisperx[9897].text 第十八次委員會議
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transcript.whisperx[9898].text 舊委員廖偉祥等十八人
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transcript.whisperx[9899].text 凝聚食品安全衛生管理法
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transcript.whisperx[9900].text 第二十四條及第二十五條
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transcript.whisperx[9902].text 詢答完畢
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transcript.whisperx[9905].text 含請審議
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transcript.whisperx[9907].text 部分條文修正草案等二十個提案
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transcript.whisperx[9908].text 與上述十七案並案審理
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transcript.whisperx[9909].text 今日下午議程進行
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transcript.whisperx[9910].text 會先請委員進行提案說明後
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transcript.whisperx[9911].text 由部長就各提案進行相關說明
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transcript.whisperx[9914].text 現在請提案委員說明提案要旨
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transcript.whisperx[9915].text 每位委員兩分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[9916].text 會議結束
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transcript.whisperx[9917].text
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transcript.whisperx[9918].text 現場應吳委員登記要提案說明
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transcript.whisperx[9919].text 接下來請衛生福利部時部長
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transcript.whisperx[9920].text 就討論事項進行說明
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transcript.whisperx[9921].text 主席各位委員
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transcript.whisperx[9922].text 那麼陳大院安排審查
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transcript.whisperx[9925].text 以及大院委員所提修正草案
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transcript.whisperx[9926].text 等共三十七案
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transcript.whisperx[9927].text 那麼本部這個就以上提案
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transcript.whisperx[9928].text 做簡短的立法說明
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transcript.whisperx[9930].text 版本的修正重點
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transcript.whisperx[9932].text 以強化源頭管理製程管理
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transcript.whisperx[9933].text 異常通報品質管理
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transcript.whisperx[9934].text 跟數位治理五大方向為核心
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transcript.whisperx[9935].text 共提出修正十七條條文
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transcript.whisperx[9936].text 重點可分為五大面向來說明
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transcript.whisperx[10049].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[10050].text 好,謝謝史部長說明
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transcript.whisperx[10051].text 好,現在請醫事人員宣讀提案條文內容
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transcript.whisperx[10052].text 若有修正動議請一併宣讀
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transcript.whisperx[10096].text 得報請行政院同意成立
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transcript.whisperx[10106].text 應依其指示辦理
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transcript.whisperx[10109].text 由中央主管機關定制
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transcript.whisperx[10118].text 針對公投結果 政府應接受並成為政府政策
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transcript.whisperx[10124].text 增列第四 第六項
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transcript.whisperx[10133].text 第四項第四行
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transcript.whisperx[10140].text 其餘同線刑法 為李恩秀等23人提案第五條之一
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transcript.whisperx[10157].text 並即時掌握國際風險動態
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transcript.whisperx[10160].text 第一項及第二項通報平台之運作機制跨部會全責分工全民參與監督及其他因遵行事項之辦法
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transcript.whisperx[10161].text 由莊主管機關定制
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transcript.whisperx[10162].text 文羅志強等17人提案
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transcript.whisperx[10163].text 文羅獻一等16人提案
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transcript.whisperx[10164].text 文徐巧新等17人提案
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transcript.whisperx[10165].text 文西委員鄭天才等16人提案
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transcript.whisperx[10166].text 君宇國民黨提案
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transcript.whisperx[10167].text 同文旭真等20人提案
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transcript.whisperx[10168].text 第六條之一
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transcript.whisperx[10169].text 第二項第四行
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transcript.whisperx[10170].text 刪除打破部會資訊壁壘落實預防原則
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transcript.whisperx[10171].text 其餘與國民黨提案同
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transcript.whisperx[10172].text 行政院提案第七條
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transcript.whisperx[10173].text 第一項第三行
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transcript.whisperx[10174].text 帽號符合一定類別及規模者其食品安全監測計畫因報經莊主管機關核定
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transcript.whisperx[10175].text 第二項第三行修正為帽號符合一定類別及規模者因定其檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[10176].text 第三項第二行修正為主管機關指定之食品業則同時增列第四項
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transcript.whisperx[10177].text 執行前兩項檢驗之機關構法人團體或實驗室
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transcript.whisperx[10178].text 第四項第五項
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transcript.whisperx[10179].text 第五項
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transcript.whisperx[10180].text 第五項
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transcript.whisperx[10181].text 第五項
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transcript.whisperx[10206].text 第一項因訂定食品安全監測計畫與一定類別及規模因報經核定之食品業者監測計畫之內容核定程序
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transcript.whisperx[10209].text 通報內容及其他因遵行四項之辦法由中央主管機關定制
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transcript.whisperx[10211].text 第一項食品安全監測計畫之核定中央主管機關得委任委託相關機關構法人或團體辦理其委任委託辦法由中央主管機關定制區同現行法
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transcript.whisperx[10212].text 國民黨黨團提案第七條
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transcript.whisperx[10213].text 第四項第四行修正為週期與因涵蓋之污染物質項目
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transcript.whisperx[10215].text 一每批次成品出廠前應完成中央主管機關公告之全項強制污染物檢驗並上傳檢驗電磁記錄
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transcript.whisperx[10217].text 二每半年接受中央主管機關指派或認可之第三方機構進行製程關鍵節點集合
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transcript.whisperx[10218].text 三建立製程關鍵參數包括經驗溫度脫色程序脫臭時間等之即時記錄並留存至少五年
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transcript.whisperx[10219].text 供主管機關隨時查閱
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transcript.whisperx[10220].text 四每批次成品之出貨流向因以電子方式即時申報追溯系統不得持誤
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transcript.whisperx[10221].text 食品業者自主檢驗發現出現異常時因於二四小時內向所在地直轄市縣市主管機關辦理綠色預通報
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transcript.whisperx[10224].text 預通報且積極配合主管機關後續復驗及回收者免除本法所訂之全部行政罰鍰並公開表揚其貢獻
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transcript.whisperx[10225].text 知悉食品業者產品有危害衛生安全之虞而主動向主管機關通報知食品業從業人員視為本條例之檢舉者
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transcript.whisperx[10226].text 適用第四三條保護規定其餘同現行法
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transcript.whisperx[10227].text 為郭國文等18人提案第七條增列第六項第二項之檢驗機關購法人或團體知悉食品業者檢驗結果不符規定或有提供不實材料之情勢
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transcript.whisperx[10228].text 因立即向直轄市縣市主管機關通報支持不得超過24小時
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transcript.whisperx[10229].text 直轄市縣市主管機關於接獲前項通報後應立即進行查核並通報中央主管機關前項通報之方式及內容由中央主管機關定制區域同現行法
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transcript.whisperx[10231].text 周期與因涵蓋之污染物質項目
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transcript.whisperx[10232].text 第五項起針對中央主管機關公告具定規模或年供應量之食品原料供應商因遵行下列強化管理措施
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transcript.whisperx[10233].text 一產品出廠前須完成中央主管機關規定之所有污染物質檢驗並將檢驗結果之電磁記錄上傳未經驗證合格者禁止出廠
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transcript.whisperx[10235].text 三一及時記錄如精煉溫度脫色程序及脫臭時間等製程核心參數
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transcript.whisperx[10236].text 且相關記錄須保存五年以上被查四個批次產品之出貨流向必須及時以電子化方式登錄於追溯系統嚴禁延遲通報
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transcript.whisperx[10237].text 延遲申報食品業者自主檢驗發現出現異常時因二四小時內向所在地直轄市縣市主管機關辦理綠色預通報
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transcript.whisperx[10238].text 並同步主動停止販賣主管機關接獲預通報後因一第四十二條之二第二項規定辦理復驗及後續處置前項預通報
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transcript.whisperx[10239].text 期間主管機關及承辦人員應對業者身份與產品資訊保密不得對外公開
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transcript.whisperx[10240].text 食品業者一第六項規定辦理預通報且積極配合主管機關後續復驗及回收者免除本法所定之全部行政法環並公開表揚其貢獻
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transcript.whisperx[10241].text 知悉食品業者產品有危害衛生安全之予而主動向主管機關通報至食品業者從業人員
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transcript.whisperx[10242].text 市委本條例之檢舉者適用第四三條保護規定第二項鎖定
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transcript.whisperx[10243].text 受送交之檢驗機關購法人或團體與檢出食品原材料辦成品或成品含有重大非法添加物成分時
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transcript.whisperx[10245].text 前相因通報之重大非法添加物項目通報程序及其他因遵行事項之辦法由莊主管機關電子區通限刑法
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transcript.whisperx[10246].text 文料違祥等是九人提案第七條第四項第五行修正為其公告之最低檢驗周期應依下列規定辦理
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transcript.whisperx[10247].text 一金莊主管機關評估為具食品安全高風險之特定食品業者類別其最低檢驗周期不得少於每季一次其屬公告特定高風險品項者
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transcript.whisperx[10248].text 其最低檢驗周期不得少於每月一次二本法所稱具食品安全高風險之特定食品業者類別
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transcript.whisperx[10249].text 指其產製或輸入之食品食品添加物金莊主管機關基於製程複雜度
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transcript.whisperx[10250].text 危害物質殘留風險消費對象之脆弱性或曾發生重大食品安全事件評估有對國民健康造成重大影響之餘
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transcript.whisperx[10251].text 並經公告者特定高危害風險品項由莊主管機關公告之食品業者受委託檢驗機關購法人團體及其檢驗人員於執行檢驗複驗或評管作業時發現產品原材料半成品或成品有危害人體健康之物質超過法定標準
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transcript.whisperx[10252].text 因及通報直轄市縣市主管機關及莊主管機關,其通報不受營業秘密契約保密約款或僱主指示之限制,其餘同現行法。
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transcript.whisperx[10253].text 文理驗秀等23人提案第七條
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transcript.whisperx[10254].text 第三項第二項修正為設置莊主管機關指定機構之認證並莊主管機關認可之實驗室從事前項自主檢驗並逐次逐項記錄檢驗結果。
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transcript.whisperx[10255].text 原第五項調整為第四項。
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transcript.whisperx[10256].text 食品業者於發現產品有危害衛生安全之餘使應及主動停止製造加工販賣及辦理回收並通報直轄市縣市主管機關。
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transcript.whisperx[10257].text 原第四項調整為第五項並自第四行起修正為第三項認證與認可之程序實驗室查核與自主檢驗因記錄之事項及前項有危害衛生安全之餘之判準。
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transcript.whisperx[10258].text 其他相關事項由莊主管機關定制其餘同線刑法。
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transcript.whisperx[10259].text 委員諾志強等17人提案第七條。
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transcript.whisperx[10260].text 委員諾志強等17人提案第七條。
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transcript.whisperx[10261].text 委員諾志強等17人提案第七條。
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transcript.whisperx[10262].text 委員諾志強等17人提案第七條。
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transcript.whisperx[10263].end 29383.54
transcript.whisperx[10263].text 委員諾志強等17人提案第七條。
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transcript.whisperx[10264].end 29385.54
transcript.whisperx[10264].text 國民黨黨團提案同。
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transcript.whisperx[10265].end 29394.24
transcript.whisperx[10265].text 委員諾志強等16人提案第七條。
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transcript.whisperx[10266].text 委員林月晴等24人提案第七條。
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transcript.whisperx[10267].end 29404.16
transcript.whisperx[10267].text 委員林淑芬等21人提案第七條。
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transcript.whisperx[10268].text 委員李坤城等18人提案第七條。
transcript.whisperx[10269].start 29407.16
transcript.whisperx[10269].end 29409.16
transcript.whisperx[10269].text 委員黃秀芳等21人提案第七條。
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transcript.whisperx[10270].end 29411.16
transcript.whisperx[10270].text 委員劉建國等19人提案第七條。
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transcript.whisperx[10271].end 29414.16
transcript.whisperx[10271].text 軍語行政院提案同。
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transcript.whisperx[10272].text 文須與珍等20人提案第七條。
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transcript.whisperx[10273].end 29423.72
transcript.whisperx[10273].text 第八項第三行。
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transcript.whisperx[10274].text 刪除。
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transcript.whisperx[10275].end 29436.03
transcript.whisperx[10275].text 並向主管機關通報。
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transcript.whisperx[10276].end 29438.03
transcript.whisperx[10276].text 其餘與國民黨提案同。
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transcript.whisperx[10277].end 29454.44
transcript.whisperx[10277].text 行政院提案第八條。
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transcript.whisperx[10278].end 29457.82
transcript.whisperx[10278].text 第五項第二行。
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transcript.whisperx[10279].end 29459.82
transcript.whisperx[10279].text 修正。
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transcript.whisperx[10280].text 並取得安全衛生管理系統之驗證。
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transcript.whisperx[10281].text 第六項第二行。
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transcript.whisperx[10282].end 29465.82
transcript.whisperx[10282].text 修正為申請認證之程序。
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transcript.whisperx[10283].end 29467.03
transcript.whisperx[10283].text 第四行。
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transcript.whisperx[10284].text 修正為作業程序驗證結果異常處理。
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transcript.whisperx[10285].end 29471.03
transcript.whisperx[10285].text 同時針列第五項。
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transcript.whisperx[10286].text 驗證機構為執行驗證得進入食品業者之場所進行現場抽樣。
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transcript.whisperx[10287].text 要求該食品業者提供樣本自主檢驗報告及相關記錄。
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transcript.whisperx[10288].text 食品業者應與配合不得規避妨礙或拒絕。
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transcript.whisperx[10289].end 29486.03
transcript.whisperx[10289].text 其餘與現行法同。
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transcript.whisperx[10290].text 委員吳立華等16人提案。
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transcript.whisperx[10291].text 委員林月晴等24人提案。
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transcript.whisperx[10292].text 委員林淑芬等21人提案。
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transcript.whisperx[10293].text 委員李坤城等18人提案。
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transcript.whisperx[10294].text 委員黃秀芳等21人提案。
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transcript.whisperx[10295].end 29507.95
transcript.whisperx[10295].text 軍與行政院提案同。
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transcript.whisperx[10296].text 委員王玉明等25人提案。
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transcript.whisperx[10297].text 針列第六項。
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transcript.whisperx[10298].text 驗證機構辦理前項驗證及追蹤查驗時應依驗證範圍及食品衛生安全風險訂定抽樣計畫。
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transcript.whisperx[10299].text 對受驗證食品業者之原材料辦成品或成品辦理抽樣。
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transcript.whisperx[10300].text 並將樣品送交經第37條第二項。
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transcript.whisperx[10301].end 29544.27
transcript.whisperx[10301].text 就該檢驗項目認證之檢驗機構機關構法人或團體檢驗受驗證食品業者應與配合不得規避妨礙或拒絕。
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transcript.whisperx[10302].text 驗證機構於驗證追蹤查驗或前項抽驗檢驗時發現受驗證食品業者有下列重大異常情形之一者。
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transcript.whisperx[10303].text 應與發現後24小時內通報莊主管機關及受驗證食品業者所在地之直轄市縣市主管機關。
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transcript.whisperx[10304].text 並提供受影響產品之批次、來源流向、驗證或檢驗紀錄及其他相關資料。
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transcript.whisperx[10305].text 一、原材料辦成品或成品有違反第15條第1項或第4項第16條規定之餘。
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transcript.whisperx[10306].text 或有不符合第17條第18條或第19條鎖定標準之餘。
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transcript.whisperx[10307].end 29586.27
transcript.whisperx[10307].text 並有已使用於後續製程以販賣或供應之情形。
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transcript.whisperx[10308].text 二、檢出進莊主管機關公告至有毒物質或有害人體健康之物質並達公告通報條件。
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transcript.whisperx[10309].text 三、製程衛生安全管理系統或其紀錄有重大異常足以對食品衛生安全造成重大或廣泛影響。
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transcript.whisperx[10310].text 第五項驗證應由莊主管機關認證之驗證機構辦理有關申請撤銷與廢止認證之條件或是由執行驗證之收費程序及方式。
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transcript.whisperx[10311].text 第六項抽樣之風險基準計劃方法數量檢驗。
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transcript.whisperx[10312].text 流量及費用前項重大異常之認定通報條件、期限方式、資料提供與保存及其他相關事項之管理辦法由莊主管機關定制其餘同線刑法。
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transcript.whisperx[10313].text 為劉建國等19人提案第8條。
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transcript.whisperx[10314].text 第六項第四行
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transcript.whisperx[10315].text 刪除驗證結果之節字其餘與行政院提案同。
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transcript.whisperx[10316].end 29660.42
transcript.whisperx[10316].text 國民黨黨團提案第八條之一。
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transcript.whisperx[10317].text 食品中污染物質及毒素之衛生標準由莊主管機關定制並應符合下列原則依對同一家族之複合性污染物。
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transcript.whisperx[10318].text 應以歐盟或其他國家主要食品安全標準為參照。
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transcript.whisperx[10319].end 29679.42
transcript.whisperx[10319].text 訂定符合總量管制標準不得僅管制單一指標物質。
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transcript.whisperx[10320].text 二、前向衛生標準制定定或修正。
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transcript.whisperx[10321].end 29687.42
transcript.whisperx[10321].text 應說明與國際標準制差異理由如較國際標準寬鬆。
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transcript.whisperx[10322].text 應提出科學依據。
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transcript.whisperx[10323].end 29692.42
transcript.whisperx[10323].text 三、莊主管機關應每三年檢討。
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transcript.whisperx[10324].end 29697.42
transcript.whisperx[10324].text 案裡污染物質衛生標準制全面檢討並公告檢討結果。
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transcript.whisperx[10325].text 委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員
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transcript.whisperx[10326].text 食品中污染物質及毒素之衛生標準由莊主管機關電子病醫醫學下列規定辦理
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transcript.whisperx[10327].text 1. 針對同一家族之複合性污染物質應參照歐盟或其他國際主要食品安全標準訂定複合總量管制標準
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transcript.whisperx[10328].text 2. 前款衛生標準之訂定或修正因序名與國際標準差異之理由其標準較國際標準寬鬆針一提出
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transcript.whisperx[10329].end 29738.64
transcript.whisperx[10329].text 科學實證依據莊主管機關因每三年辦理污染物質及毒素衛生標準之全面檢討
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transcript.whisperx[10330].end 29740.64
transcript.whisperx[10330].text 並將檢討結果公告知
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transcript.whisperx[10331].end 29743.64
transcript.whisperx[10331].text 委員盧志強等17人提案第8條之一
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transcript.whisperx[10332].text 委員盧憲義等16人提案第8條之一
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transcript.whisperx[10333].text 委員徐宇峥等20人提案第8條之一
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transcript.whisperx[10334].text 委員徐巧芯等17人第8條之一
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transcript.whisperx[10335].end 29754.64
transcript.whisperx[10335].text 委員鄭天才等16人提案第8條之一
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transcript.whisperx[10336].text 軍與國民黨黨團提案同
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transcript.whisperx[10337].text 國民黨黨團提案第9條
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transcript.whisperx[10338].end 29764.31
transcript.whisperx[10338].text 修正第二項第三行
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transcript.whisperx[10339].end 29778.31
transcript.whisperx[10339].text 增列並因與每批次出貨後2小時內以電子化方式將下列資訊主動上傳裝主管機關建置之食品追溯系統以下簡稱食安雲
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transcript.whisperx[10340].end 29781.31
transcript.whisperx[10340].text 一產品名稱批號及有效日期
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transcript.whisperx[10341].end 29786.31
transcript.whisperx[10341].text 二出貨對象之名稱統一編號及地址
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transcript.whisperx[10342].end 29788.31
transcript.whisperx[10342].text 三出貨數量及日期
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transcript.whisperx[10343].end 29792.31
transcript.whisperx[10343].text 四所使用原料之主要來源國貨供應商名稱
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transcript.whisperx[10344].end 29799.42
transcript.whisperx[10344].text 同時增列第三項前項電子上傳資料格式及API介面規格
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transcript.whisperx[10345].end 29801.42
transcript.whisperx[10345].text 由裝主管機關公告
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transcript.whisperx[10346].end 29804.42
transcript.whisperx[10346].text 業者應於公告後一年內完成系統介接
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transcript.whisperx[10347].end 29808.42
transcript.whisperx[10347].text 未完成介接前得以人工方式上傳
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transcript.whisperx[10348].end 29813.42
transcript.whisperx[10348].text 但應於公告滿一年後強制採自動化API介接
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transcript.whisperx[10349].end 29815.42
transcript.whisperx[10349].text 不得以人工方式替代
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transcript.whisperx[10350].text 前項追溯追蹤資料中央主管機關得以查核需要整合財政部電子發票資料
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transcript.whisperx[10351].text 建立消費端追蹤輔助機制相關跨部會資料共享辦法
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transcript.whisperx[10352].text 由裝主管機關會同財政部定制
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transcript.whisperx[10353].end 29839.73
transcript.whisperx[10353].text 同時第一原第四五項
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transcript.whisperx[10354].end 29841.73
transcript.whisperx[10354].text 同時增列第七項食品
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transcript.whisperx[10355].text 業者依本條規定登錄建立申報或開立之資料
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transcript.whisperx[10356].text 應至少保存五年
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transcript.whisperx[10357].text 為黃建豪等16人提案第九條
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transcript.whisperx[10358].text 第三項
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transcript.whisperx[10359].text 前項電子上傳資料格式及應用程式介面API規格由裝主管機關公告知
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transcript.whisperx[10378].text 文王立民等二十五人提案第九條
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transcript.whisperx[10379].text 第四項第三行修正為
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transcript.whisperx[10393].text 第一項第四行增加頓號公共衛生
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transcript.whisperx[10440].text 莊主管機關應依食品業者之業別規模產品特性消費族群食品危害程度
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transcript.whisperx[10452].text 若違反第1項情形中央中央機關應立即整合並公布追溯或追蹤系統資料
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transcript.whisperx[10455].text 國內外各地方主管機關依科學實證
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transcript.whisperx[10462].text 第三句文字修正為並令該市售產品與通文格如軍等提案
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transcript.whisperx[10463].text 多謝您收睇時局新聞,再會!
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transcript.whisperx[10464].text 羅志強等17人提案文石玉珍等20人提案文徐巧芯等17人提案文鄭天才等16人提案
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transcript.whisperx[10465].text 第22條暫定第10款文字為主要原料知原產帝國原第10款
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transcript.whisperx[10466].text 第1為第11款
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transcript.whisperx[10467].text 第5項新增文字乳上
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transcript.whisperx[10468].text 第1項第10款說稱主要原料只佔食品種種料50%以上或依其性質足以影響消費者知情權益選擇權之特定核心原料
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transcript.whisperx[10469].text 其品項標示方式與稀產地防範基準油裝主管機關定制於同線刑法
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transcript.whisperx[10470].text 文章加俊等28人提案文石玉珍等16人提案
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transcript.whisperx[10471].text 第22條修正第1項第10款文字如下
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transcript.whisperx[10472].text 文字如下
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transcript.whisperx[10473].text 內容物主成分屬農產品者其原料知原產帝國
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transcript.whisperx[10474].text 修正第1項第10款文字如下其他金裝主管機關公告事項與同線刑法
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transcript.whisperx[10475].text 文書清全等23人提案第22條修正第1項第10款文字如下
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transcript.whisperx[10476].text 含有已行受體數食品及食品原料知容器或外包裝因明顯字體標註在食品或食品原料品牌名稱下方
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transcript.whisperx[10477].text 其產品銷售陳列行列位置應有明顯
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transcript.whisperx[10478].text 告示牌字體告示
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transcript.whisperx[10479].text 含有已行受體數
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transcript.whisperx[10480].text 原第10款第1為第11款
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transcript.whisperx[10481].text 修正第3項文字為第1項第8款至第10款標示之因遵行事項有中央主管機關公告之與同線刑法
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transcript.whisperx[10482].text 文5少林等17人提案第22條第1項第10款為含已行受體數真肉品及其相關產製品原第10款
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transcript.whisperx[10483].text 第1為第11款修正第3項文字為第1項第8款第9款及第10款標示之
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transcript.whisperx[10484].text 因遵行事項牛裝主管機關公告之與同線刑法
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transcript.whisperx[10485].text 文羅志強調9人提案文王玉米等17人提案文黃千豪等16人提案第22條修正第1項第10款含已行受體數原第10款第1為第11款
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transcript.whisperx[10487].text 產製品應高市健康風險盡予及僅是圖樣原第10款第1為第11款與同線刑法
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transcript.whisperx[10488].text 文林千傑等19人提案第2項條修正第1項第6款文字為原產帝國
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transcript.whisperx[10489].text 肉類者應標示該肉類原產帝國與同線刑法文王之豪的23天第22條修正第1項第10款為食用注意事項或嬰幼兒食品等其他警語原第10款第1為第11款
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transcript.whisperx[10490].text 第1項第8款第10款
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transcript.whisperx[10491].text 標示之應遵行事項
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transcript.whisperx[10492].text 由中央主管機關公告之與同線刑法
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transcript.whisperx[10493].text 為劉鎮國等19人提案
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transcript.whisperx[10494].text 第22條修正第1項第2款文字
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transcript.whisperx[10495].text 如下原產帝國加工食品應標示其主要食品原料之原產帝國
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transcript.whisperx[10496].text 第2項前項第2款內容物之主成分應標明所佔百分比
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transcript.whisperx[10497].text 並因標示之產品主成分項目標示內容
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transcript.whisperx[10498].text 方式及各該產品實施日期由中央主管機關令定制
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transcript.whisperx[10499].text 第3項文就是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[10501].text 問何原料之標示方式品名標示或宣稱涉及特定食品原料之標示規定
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transcript.whisperx[10502].text 及其他與主要食品原料來源標示有關之
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transcript.whisperx[10503].text 應遵行事項由中央主管機關定制與同線刑法
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transcript.whisperx[10504].text 委員黃靜豪等續留言提案第22條
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transcript.whisperx[10505].text 修正內項第10款為主要原料之原產帝國
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transcript.whisperx[10506].text 原第10款第1為第11款修正第5項文字為第1項第10款所稱主要原料
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transcript.whisperx[10507].text 只佔食品總重量50%以上或依其性質足以影響消費者知情權或選擇權制特定核心原料
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transcript.whisperx[10508].text 其適用品項標示方式及防範原產帝包事實不實之基準
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transcript.whisperx[10509].text 由中央主管機關定制與同線刑法文爐現一等16人提案
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transcript.whisperx[10512].text 修正第1項
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transcript.whisperx[10513].text 第10款文字如下主要原料之原產帝國修正第1項第11款文字
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transcript.whisperx[10516].text 農產品者其核心原料因明確標示其原產地區行政區域或部落名稱
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transcript.whisperx[10517].text 非使用台灣原鄉地區生產之同品類原料者不得以品名包裝宣稱或廣告中使用原鄉部落或原住民族特色傳統特色農產品滋養
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transcript.whisperx[10519].text 第12款新增第5項第1項第10款所稱主要原料只佔食品種種量50%以上或以其性質
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transcript.whisperx[10521].text 為那我想等18人提案
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transcript.whisperx[10522].text 第24條修正第一項第10款文字為具有乙型受體素食品添加物支援料原第11款第一為第11款
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transcript.whisperx[10523].text 修正第二項文字為食品添加物支援料不受前項第3款第7款及第9款之限制前項第3款食品添加物支香料成分第9款及第10款標示因遵行事項由中央主管機關公告之魚頭現行法
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transcript.whisperx[10524].text 為羅志強的2900案第24條修正第一項第10款文字為
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transcript.whisperx[10525].text 含乙型受體素食品添加物支援料原第10款第一為第11款魚頭現行法文黃金豪等學論提案第24條修正第一項第10款文字為含乙型受體素支食品添加物及其原料修正第二項第三句文字為
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transcript.whisperx[10526].text 香料成分及第9款東號第10款標示魚頭為原
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transcript.whisperx[10527].text 那我想等提案
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transcript.whisperx[10528].text 文王玉明等17人提案第24條第二項第3句文字修正為香料成分東號第9款及
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transcript.whisperx[10529].text 甄烈第4項文字為第5款警標是國內複折廠商名稱者
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transcript.whisperx[10530].text 英槍製造廠商受託製造廠商或輸入廠商之名稱電話碼機地址通報轄區主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[10531].text 主管機關應開放其主管機關其他主管機關共同查閱魚頭尾黃金豪等提案文盧新等16人提案
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transcript.whisperx[10532].text 第24條就認第一項第8款文字為原
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transcript.whisperx[10533].text 產帝國金家公貨混配之食品添加物
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transcript.whisperx[10534].text 除最終製造地外應一併標示其具有功能性之主要化學成分或天然提取物資原產帝國與同現行法
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transcript.whisperx[10536].text 羅志強的二十九天為王一民等十七天
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transcript.whisperx[10537].text 第二十五條之一
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transcript.whisperx[10538].text 文字修正如下
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transcript.whisperx[10539].text 莊主很機關得對直接供應飲食支場所
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transcript.whisperx[10540].text 就其供應之特定食品
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transcript.whisperx[10541].text 要求以中文標示原產地及其他
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transcript.whisperx[10542].text 應標示事項對特定
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transcript.whisperx[10543].text 散裝食品販賣者
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transcript.whisperx[10544].text 得就其販賣之地點方式予以限制
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transcript.whisperx[10546].text 原產地
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transcript.whisperx[10547].text 基因改造食品原料
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transcript.whisperx[10548].text 含乙型受體素
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transcript.whisperx[10550].text 其他其他應標示事項
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transcript.whisperx[10551].text 國內通過農產品生產驗證者
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transcript.whisperx[10552].text 應標示可追溯之來源
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transcript.whisperx[10553].text 由中央農業主管機關公告之生產系統者
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transcript.whisperx[10554].text 應標示生產系統
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transcript.whisperx[10555].text 與同線行法
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transcript.whisperx[10556].text 為黃清浩等十六人提案第二十五條
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transcript.whisperx[10557].text 修正第一項第二句
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transcript.whisperx[10558].text 以中文標示原產地等號
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transcript.whisperx[10559].text 含乙型受體素
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transcript.whisperx[10560].text 製食品或食品原料
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transcript.whisperx[10566].text 與同委員廖偉祥等十八人提案
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transcript.whisperx[10567].text 吳仁
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transcript.whisperx[10591].text 同品名原料者
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transcript.whisperx[10597].text 正第1天是向文志維
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transcript.whisperx[10608].text 第28條修正第1項第3句文字圍
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transcript.whisperx[10685].text 增訂第30
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transcript.whisperx[10834].text 食物中毒案件之發生
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transcript.whisperx[10835].text 原因與範圍的委託
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transcript.whisperx[10836].text 或會同公共衛生師執行社區
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transcript.whisperx[10837].text 與常遇之食品安全風險
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transcript.whisperx[10838].text 調查及評估
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transcript.whisperx[10839].text 第二項
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transcript.whisperx[10840].text 文字拒手刪除重大突發性及其他等文字
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transcript.whisperx[10841].text 與同行政院提案
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transcript.whisperx[10842].text 文王雲民等二十文提案
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transcript.whisperx[10843].text 第四十一條
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transcript.whisperx[10844].text 中央主管機關應整合食品業者登錄
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transcript.whisperx[10845].text 輸入查驗
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transcript.whisperx[10846].text 食品追溯
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transcript.whisperx[10848].text 這下是現實轉機關查核結果
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transcript.whisperx[10850].text 建立全國性食品衛生安全風險分析
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transcript.whisperx[10852].text 中央主管機關對下列食品
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transcript.whisperx[10854].text 應每年訂定
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transcript.whisperx[10856].text 一食品衛生安全風險較高者
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transcript.whisperx[10857].text 二製造加工調配
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transcript.whisperx[10858].text 輸入儲存
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transcript.whisperx[10865].text 其來源批次
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transcript.whisperx[10867].text 四其他
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transcript.whisperx[10879].text 具體市政主任
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transcript.whisperx[10894].text 委員王玉敏得25人提案
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transcript.whisperx[10895].text 第41條之一
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transcript.whisperx[10917].text 妨礙或拒絕
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transcript.whisperx[10927].text 品保販賣對象金額
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transcript.whisperx[10937].text 英語封存
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transcript.whisperx[10944].text 第八條第一項
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transcript.whisperx[11078].text 第一項第二句刪除下類文字
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transcript.whisperx[11082].text 與同國民黨黨團敵案
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transcript.whisperx[11134].text 重大食安事件擴大者
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transcript.whisperx[11166].text 第42條之二
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transcript.whisperx[11167].text 第二句刪除加類文字
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transcript.whisperx[11168].text 不論該原料
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transcript.whisperx[11172].text 委員黃秋浩等16人提案
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transcript.whisperx[11187].text 安全無虞者
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transcript.whisperx[11191].text 中央主管機關得功不齊
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transcript.whisperx[11193].text 原品項修正為適用品項
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transcript.whisperx[11197].text 宣讀完畢
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transcript.whisperx[11199].text 本日開會時間至下午
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transcript.whisperx[11200].text 五時三十分
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transcript.whisperx[11201].text 現在時間已戒
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transcript.whisperx[11203].text 留待下次審查時
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transcript.whisperx[11207].text 含請審議
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transcript.whisperx[11213].text 本次會議到此結束
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