| IVOD_ID |
17635 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17635 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2026072802 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-30T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-30T15:27:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:57:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2026-07-30T14:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院朝野黨團協商（事由：一、本院社會福利及衛生環境委員會報告併案審查行政院函請審議「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」、委員徐巧芯等19人、委員羅智強等17人分別擬具「菸害防制法第二十六條條文修正草案」、委員黃健豪等17人擬具「菸害防制法第三十七條條文修正草案」、委員羅智強等17人擬具「菸害防制法第四十條條文修正草案」、委員陳秀寳等20人、委員林月琴等22人、委員王育敏等20人、委員陳超明等31人、委員林倩綺等22人、委員林思銘等20人、委員邱鎮軍等24人、委員賴瑞隆等17人、委員李彥秀等16人、委員徐巧芯等16人、委員李坤城等19人、委員王育敏等16人、委員羅智強等18人、委員黃捷等17人、委員林淑芬等19人、委員黃秀芳等24人、委員陳培瑜等18人、台灣民眾黨黨團、委員王美惠等19人、委員林月琴等20人、委員李柏毅等16人、委員盧縣一等18人、委員郭昱晴等16人、委員鍾佳濱等18人分別擬具「菸害防制法部分條文修正草案」、委員邱若華等17人擬具「菸害防制法第三條及第十五條條文修正草案」、委員王義川等17人擬具「菸害防制法第三十二條及第四十條條文修正草案」、委員陳菁徽等21人、委員顏寬恒等17人分別擬具「菸害防制法第十五條條文修正草案」、委員王美惠等18人擬具「菸害防制法第十五條及第四十條條文修正草案」及委員黃健豪等16人擬具「菸害防制法第三條及第八條條文修正草案」等35案。） |
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林委員月琴 |
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林委員月琴 |
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0.89 |
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林委員月琴 |
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0.89 |
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林委員月琴 |
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3356.56971875 |
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0.89 |
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林委員淑芬 |
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0.958 |
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809.63 |
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812.07 |
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我們現在在協商會議開始 |
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812.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
814.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].text |
現在協商《菸害防治法》 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
814.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
817.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
介紹在場委員林淑芬委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
823.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
826.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
別人可能需要黃正希委員 |
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828.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
829.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
蘇清璇委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
830.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
831.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
陳昌明委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
833.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
834.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
前道測證 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
837.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
840.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
現在介紹在場官員石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
842.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
845.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
國民健康署沈靜芬署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
847.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
848.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
法規會 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
848.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
852.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
陳姓陳參事 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
852.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
856.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
內政部警政署邱顯良副組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
857.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
861.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
毒品查緝中心政委郝副大隊長 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
862.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
864.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
財政部官務署 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
865.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
866.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
郭寬淵組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
868.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
869.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
郭庫舒 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
870 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
871.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
袁旭傑副組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
872.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
875.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
附罪署王俊龍專門委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
875.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
879.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
交通部公共運輸及監理司王基周 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
881.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
882.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
教育部綜合規劃師 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
884.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
885.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
財政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
886.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
896.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
張金淑副市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
896.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
899.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
學生事務及特殊教育師 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
902.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
905.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
鄭文耀專門委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
906.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
911.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
國民級學前教育署邱邱禪組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
912.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
914.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
法務部參事汪南君 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
915.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
917.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
經濟部商業發展署 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
917.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
918.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
莊文林副組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
919.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
923.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
金融監督管理委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
923.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
927.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
銀行局劉婉儀專門委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
927.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
933.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
數位發展部法制處吳怡倫副組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
933.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
936.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
資源管理師鄭秀玲專委 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
936.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
938.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
數位產業署 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
944.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
946.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
數位產業署主任秘書 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
946.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
947.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
這個什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
947.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
950.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
這是童明會 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
951.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
953.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
好好好童明會主密 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
953.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
956.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
海洋委員會海巡屬情報局 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
957.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
959.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
詹琪明副組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
963.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
968.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
大陸委員會法制處楊玉靜專門委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
968.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
972.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
國家通訊傳播委員會李佳麟檢認視察 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
972.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
978.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
環境部徐旭成紀監 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
982.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
984.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
今日保留條文既有十條 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
984.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
985.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
希望盡量協商通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
985.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
987.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
請各位委員綜合考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
987.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
989.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
為父母也隨時溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
989.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
991.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
今天進行方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
991.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
993.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
是以請衛福部先說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
993.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
995.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
再請各位委員表示意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
995.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
996.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
最後會 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
996.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1000 |
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中協商結論請各黨團簽名 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1001.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1003.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
現在進行第七條討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1003.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1006.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
先請衛福部說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1009.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1011.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
報告張偉跟委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1011.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1013.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
那第七條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1013.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1014.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
這邊主要是 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1014.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1017.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
在指定菸品的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1017.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1019.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
需不需要經過健康風險評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1019.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1020.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
才可以公外銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1020.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1022.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
那這一條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1022.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1024.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
我們尊重委員會審查的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1029.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1032.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
第七條委員有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1032.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1033.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
林淑芬委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1035.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1037.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
第七 第十都是他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1042.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1044.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
好 我想在這裡再講一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1044.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1045.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
本人表示反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1045.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1046.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
第一個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1046.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1049.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
我們整個菸害防治法 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1049.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1052.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
包括整個全世界的衛生組織 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1052.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1055.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
包括台灣的國家政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1055.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1057.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
我們都希望這個菸潮產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1057.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1060.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
整個市場是要縮小的 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1060.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1062.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
這個是我們努力的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1062.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1064.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
雖然是一個理想狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1064.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1066.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
但是我們沒有理由支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1066.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1068.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
讓菸潮產業擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1068.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1070.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
第一個 第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
1070.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1072.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
我們國內 我也再講一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
1072.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1073.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
我們沒有所謂的菸農 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
1073.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1076.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
菸潮的農業 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
1076.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1078.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
也沒有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
1078.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
1080.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
多大的就業機會的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1080.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1081.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
所以沒有產業上的衝擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
1081.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
1084.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
沒有農業也沒有勞工就業機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
1084.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
1086.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
這個就業機會上的衝擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
1086.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
1088.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
所以我們對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
1088.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
1091.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
絲毫一點包袱都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
1091.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
1092.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
那再加上第一個目標來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
1092.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
1095.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
所以我們沒有理由支持開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
1095.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
1096.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
第三個 這是最核心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
1096.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
1099.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
就是說雖然出口跟國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
1099.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
1101.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
國內使用是分流規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
1101.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
1105.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
但是輸出會不會流到國內市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
1105.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
1108.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
這個會徒增風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
1108.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
1109.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
徒增風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
1109.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
1111.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
本來是百分之一百零風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
1111.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
1113.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
我們為什麼要開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
1113.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
1116.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
然後再增加回流的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
1116.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
1117.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
一點道理都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
1117.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
1118.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
最後我要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
1118.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
1121.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
就是說基本上讓產業萎縮 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
1121.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
1123.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
然後把它管制得越嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
1123.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
1126.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
然後基本要通過健康風險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
1126.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
1127.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
評估案審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
1127.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
1128.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
這個是基本 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
1128.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
1131.66 |
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你如果有在通過健康風險的評估案審查 |
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1131.66 |
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1132.98 |
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我也沒有話說 |
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1132.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
1134.9 |
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就目前的遊戲規則 |
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1134.9 |
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1137.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
但是你不要改掉遊戲規則 |
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1137.62 |
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1139.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
然後要開放分流 |
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1139.78 |
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1141.82 |
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分流還是會回流 |
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1141.82 |
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1144.02 |
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所以在這裡本人堅決的主張 |
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1144.02 |
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1147.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
第七條跟第十條都不予修正 |
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1147.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
1147.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
謝謝 |
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1148.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
1150.61 |
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好 等一下麻煩現場 |
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1150.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
1151.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
委員在講話的時候 |
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1151.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
1153.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
可能音量要降 |
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1153.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
1155.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
剛剛林淑雯委員在講的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
1155.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
1157.17 |
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可能很多人未必聽到 |
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1157.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
1159.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
接下來有誰要發言 |
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1159.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
1160.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
委員 |
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1161.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
1162.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
陳昌明委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
1164.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
1169.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
首先我跟林委員的意見觀點是不同的 |
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1170.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
1175.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
那目前第七條的修正案是關於家委員 |
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1175.9 |
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1179.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
我請每一個委員在場觀點了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
1181.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
1183.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
在這個家委員 |
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1183.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
1186.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
家熱院裡面 |
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1186.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
1191.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
全世界只有美國跟台灣 |
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1191.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
1194.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
有健康風險的評估 |
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1194.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
1197.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
包括日本在國內銷售的時候 |
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1197.78 |
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1200.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
也沒有健康風險的評估 |
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1200.78 |
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1204.14 |
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因為這個家熱院裡面是更從 |
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1204.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
1207.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
我們一般院裡面再發展出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
1207.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
1208.7 |
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那在這裡面 |
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1208.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
1212.14 |
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我是指張要給我們台灣的煙場 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
1212.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
1215.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
一個國際競爭的聚會 |
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1215.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
1220.22 |
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你只要符合日國的規範就可以了 |
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1220.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
1221.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
沒有那麼清高 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
1221.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
1223.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
世界都在競爭 |
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1223.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
1228.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
這是第七條我所堅持的觀點 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
1228.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
1230.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
應該要給產業有聚會 |
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1230.7 |
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1234.06 |
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至於有沒有台灣有沒有生產煙草 |
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1234.06 |
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1236.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
日本也沒有生產煙草 |
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1236.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
1238.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
美國也沒有生產煙草 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
1238.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
1240.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
幾乎都在國外生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
1240.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
1243.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
在落後的地方生產跟去後有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
1243.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
1246.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
至於就業的聚會 |
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1246.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
1248.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
包括這些煙場加起來 |
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1248.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
1250.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
大概有超過兩千萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
1250.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
1253.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
不,兩千人的就業聚會 |
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1253.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
1255.3 |
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也未嘗不可 |
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1255.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
1259.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
那我們很多的方面都是從煙方面來 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
1259.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
1261.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
保障國人的一個安全 |
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1261.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
1263.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
有時候說大家講不好 |
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1263.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
1265.26 |
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我會覺得不怎麼好 |
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1265.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
1268.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
但是有人勇於犧牲自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
1268.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
1270.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
來照顧其他的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
1270.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
1271.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
也是一種方式 |
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1271.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
1275.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
不然這種世界上沒有人像台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
1275.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
1276.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
限制的那麼嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
1276.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
1278.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
這是我個人的觀點 |
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1278.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
1282.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
我也希望我們衛福部 |
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1282.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
1286.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
能從經濟產業發展的腳步 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
1286.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
1288.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
來支持這個法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
1288.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
1292.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
讓產業有一個生存的聚會 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
1292.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
1292.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
1296.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
1301.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
先請衛福部回應兩位委員不同的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
1312.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
1313.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
蘇清宣緯 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
1315.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
1317.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
我上次也有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
1317.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
1319.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
就我們台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
1320.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
1322.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
燃料藥跟藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
1323.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
1327.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
事實上有很多是台灣沒有在使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
1328.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
1330.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
要有的銷到美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
1330.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
1331.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
銷到其他國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
1331.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
1335.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
都要照原始國家他的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
1335.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
1338.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
基本上我們衛福部是不會去管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
1338.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
1342.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
這也是樂觀其成 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
1342.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
1344.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
那吃粉是壞事 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
1344.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
1349.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
臨床醫師看抽菸是不好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
1349.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
1351.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
大家都不要抽菸 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
1351.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
1352.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
但是這幾千年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
1352.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
1354.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
好像也沒辦法消滅掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
1354.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
1357.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
既然這是一個商業行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
1358.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
1360.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
他們要求能夠煙草出口 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
1360.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
1362.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
或者是紙煙出口 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
1362.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
1363.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
或怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
1363.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
1365.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
只要能符合那個原始 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
1365.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
1367.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
他的要輸出國 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
1367.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
1369.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
他的嚴格的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
1369.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
1370.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
這樣就可以了 |
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1370.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
1371.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
這是第一 |
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1371.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
1375.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
第二你怕出口又被廢了回來 |
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1375.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
1376.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
那是另外一個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
1376.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
1377.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
另外一個議題 |
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1377.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
1379.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
那就是變成你又被廢了回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
1379.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
1381.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
這管理問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
1381.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
1382.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
那是財政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
1382.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
1383.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
那是衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
1383.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
1385.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
你的管理 邊境管理等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
1385.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
1387.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
你不能說怕他 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
1387.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
1389.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
將來會回流到臺灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
1389.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
1391.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
那這個講話有點邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
1391.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
1393.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
比較不通 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
1393.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
1395.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
所以這兩條 |
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1395.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
1396.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
第七條 第十條 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
1396.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
1398.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
如果說業者 |
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1398.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
1400.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
有一個需求生存 |
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1400.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
1404.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
然後他別的國家也很嚴格的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
1404.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
1406.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
我們在主管單位應該也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
1409.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
1411.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
應該也不會可以禁止 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
1411.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
1413.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
所以我們還是希望能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
1414.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
1415.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
讓他們能夠出口 |
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1415.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
1415.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
1420.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
1421.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
邱政軍委員 |
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1421.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
1422.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
1422.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
1426.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
我也是支持我們陳昌明委員的這個看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
1426.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
1429.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
因為他現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
1429.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
1431.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
我覺得我們的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
1431.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
1433.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
他本身就有這個 |
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1433.82 |
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1435.82 |
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造就了很多的工作機會 |
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1435.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
1437.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
那也養活了很多家庭 |
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1437.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
1439.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
那今天的爭點就是說 |
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1439.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
1441.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
我們不在國內 |
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1441.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
1442.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
國內在販賣的時候 |
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1442.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
1445.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
他只是出口 |
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1445.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
1447.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
那就可以造就我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
1447.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
1449.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
這個國人的一些工作機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
1449.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
1451.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
我想這是非常好的一點 |
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1451.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
1453.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
那另外剛剛也有講到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
1453.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
1457.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
他如果走勢進來再回流的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
1457.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
1459.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
這本來海關在 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
1459.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
1461.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
這個部分本來就已經在做的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
1461.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
1463.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
已經在做防堵的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
1463.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
1464.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
那我覺得我們應該相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
1464.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
1466.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
我們自己的海關 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
1466.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
1468.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
他能夠有能力去阻止這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
1468.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
1470.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
因為他不可能說 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
1470.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
1472.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
因為有出口這個菸 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
1472.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
1475.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
所以我們就 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
1475.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
1477.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
對海關這邊來就 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
1477.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
1479.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
不再做嚴格的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
1479.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
1482.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
跟這個把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
1482.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
1484.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
所以我想這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
1484.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
1486.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
應該是不會發生的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
1486.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
1488.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
這本來就應該要做的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
1488.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
1490.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
不會造成我們基層公務人員的一個負擔 |
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1490.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
1492.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
以上是我的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
1492.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
1492.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
1492.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
1493.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
好 林處分委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
1495.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
1497.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
抱歉 蘇委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
1497.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
1500.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
我沒有辦法接受你說我邏輯不通 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
1500.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
1502.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
因為你可能上回 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
1502.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
1504.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
你這樣的觀點 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
1504.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
1506.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
我回答的時候你已經離開了 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
1506.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
1508.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
所以你沒有聽我講過 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
1508.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
1509.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
我再講一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
1509.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
1511.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
你講的原尿藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
1511.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
1512.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
在國內沒有許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
1512.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
1515.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
但是還可以製造輸出 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
1515.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
1517.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
藥是救命的 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
1517.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
1520.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
煙草是殺人命的 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
1520.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
1525.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
煙草是被IARC列為第一級的致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
1525.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
1527.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
煙草吸煙 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
1527.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
1529.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
是第一級的致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
1529.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
1532.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
煙草是害命的 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
1532.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
1533.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
藥是救命的 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
1533.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
1536.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
你不能兩個拿起來類比 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
1536.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
1537.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
第一個 |
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1537.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
1538.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
1538.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
1540.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
不要言必稱產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
1540.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
1542.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
言必稱就業機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
1542.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
1544.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
台灣根本目前就沒有這麼大的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
1544.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
1546.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
也沒有這一種就業需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
1546.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
1550.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
而我們沒有必要壯大這一種產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
1550.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
1551.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
1551.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
1552.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
你們講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
1553 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
1555.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
等一下走私回流 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
1555.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
1556.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
我們這是要外銷的 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
1556.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
1558.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
那回流的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
1558.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
1561.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
管理面是管理面執行法律的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
1561.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
1562.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
要去管理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
1562.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
1563.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
這個邏輯不通 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
1563.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
1564.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
你說我邏輯不通 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
1564.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
1566.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
我才覺得我認為你們不通 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
1566.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
1567.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
你上游開放了 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
1567.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
1569.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
再叫下游海關去抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
1569.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
1572.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
再叫下游警察去抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
1572.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
1574.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
他們你一直上游不斷的開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
1574.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
1575.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
然後在下面抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
1575.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
1576.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
永遠都抓不完 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
1577.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
1580.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
那為什麼直接不把門關起來就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
1580.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
1581.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
通通都不用抓呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
1583.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
1585.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
而且我們的終極目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
1585.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
1587.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
就是要消滅這個產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
1587.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
1589.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
你們為什麼言必稱發展產業呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
1590.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
1596.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
我們怎麼會是發展香菸煙草產業呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
1596.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
1598.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
我們是要以讓它產業為縮 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
1598.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
1601.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
消滅這個產業為目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
1601.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
1603.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
結果你們都言必稱產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
1603.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
1605.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
我就聽不下去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
1605.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
1606.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
所以我覺得這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
1606.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
1608.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
我覺得再多講 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
1608.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
1609.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
講一遍兩遍三遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
1609.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
1611.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
他也是都講一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
1611.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
1612.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
我也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
1612.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
1614.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
所以這一條主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
1614.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
1616.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
我認為是沒有辦法達成共識了 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
1617.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
1620.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
我相信觀點取義很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
1620.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
1622.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
沒有辦法達成共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
1622.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
1625.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
但是也請林委員曉答 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
1625.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
1629.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
所有煙草都是最先進國家當老闆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
1629.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
1630.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
我只是提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
1630.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
1633.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
所以這個世界就長成這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
1633.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
1634.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
別人能做 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
1634.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
1635.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
台灣不能做 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
1635.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
1637.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
我覺得不合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
1637.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
1638.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
那取義很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
1638.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
1640.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
我是建議主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
1640.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
1642.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
我們送到燕尾學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
1643.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
1645.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
講到久也是整個觀點而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
1646.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
1649.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
為什麼那個先進國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
1649.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
1651.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
比我們日本還先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
1651.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
1653.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
比我們台灣還先進的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
1653.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
1656.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
譬如說美國 日本 歐洲 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
1656.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
1657.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
你去看 |
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1657.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
1660.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
那些煙草的老闆都是這幾個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
1660.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
1663.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
我只是說觀點取義一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
1663.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
1664.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
今天怎麼討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
1664.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
1667.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
一定討論不完的 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
1667.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
1670.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
那我想建議主席送到燕尾學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
1674.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
1676.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
陳昭明委員建議保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
1676.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
1680.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
那就第七 第十條都一併保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
1680.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
1682.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
那其他委員有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
1682.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
1686.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
沒有的話我們就直接第七條跟第十條 |
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1686.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
1687.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
我們就保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
1692.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
1694.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
那接下來第十五條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
1695.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
1696.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
第十 欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
1697.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
1700.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
第七條跟第十條 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
1703.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
1705.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
第九條已經通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
1706.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
1707.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
第九上次已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
1709.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
1711.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
上次第九條已經修正通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
1711.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
1712.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
第九條報告主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
1712.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
1713.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
我剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
1715.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
1717.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
我剛剛有跟那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
1718.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
1719.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
王志希修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
1719.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
1721.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
他的提案我跟他溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
1721.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
1724.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
現在我們台灣現在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
1724.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
1726.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
這是一包加熱菸在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
1726.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
1728.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
大家可能沒抽菸都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
1728.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
1730.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
我們台灣現在就長成這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
1730.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
1732.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
就是50% |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
1732.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
1734.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
50%的土黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
1734.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
1735.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
那現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
1736.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
1739.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
直接給他弄到85% |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
1741.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
1743.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
我現在跟大家報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
1743.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
1744.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
1744.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
1747.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
我們台灣正考的分都是世界大國 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
1747.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
1750.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
瑞士 美國 日本的演唱會 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
1750.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
1752.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
所以一直在說 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
1752.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
1754.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
分都忙做 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
1754.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
1755.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
結果外國做比我們多 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
1755.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
1757.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
外國比我們強勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
1757.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
1760.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
連美僑商會什麼都在關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
1761.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
1763.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
我剛剛跟那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
1763.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
1764.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
王志希委員說 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
1764.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
1766 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
他說50%的警議 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
1766 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
1767.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
他是沒有辦法接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
1767.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
1770.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
那如果用到85%等於整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
1770.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
1774.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
農中是土黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
1774.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
1775.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
那澳洲就 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
1775.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
1776.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
澳洲有DATA |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
1776.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
1777.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
就是他們的菸 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
1778.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
1781.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
因為他們用到80% |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
1781.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
1784.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
結果他們的菸大部分都是走私菸 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
1784.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
1787.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
10包有8包 7包都是走私菸 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
1787.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
1788.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
所以他們很嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
1788.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
1790.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
所以我的建議 |
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1790.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
1791.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
接收改了 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
1791.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
1793.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
我們的王志希也有同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
1793.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
1796.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
我們要拿到60% |
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1796.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
1799.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
他一定用85% |
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1799.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
1800.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
第九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
1800.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
1801.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
好 我的建議是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
1801.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
1803.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
沒有 我們都不大贏 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
1803.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
1803.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
這條通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
1803.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
1805.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
可是這已經通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
1805.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
1806.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
1806.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
1807.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
哪有人通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
1807.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
1808.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
然後沒有再 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
1808.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
1809.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
1809.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
1810.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
我們也反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
1810.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
1811.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
我們也同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
1811.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
1812.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
再修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
1812.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
1812.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
這樣而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
1812.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
1813.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
我們要再修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
1813.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
1814.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
我們就再修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
1815.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
1818.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
沒有啦 這今次程序就不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
1819.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
1820.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
上次學商就通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
1823.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
1825.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
上次學商還是委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
1825.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
1826.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
省差 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
1828 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
1829.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
上次通過委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
1829.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
1830.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
他們今天不在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
1830.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
1831.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
我們也不能去否定掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
1831.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
1834 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
人家上次通過的委員的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
1834 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
1835.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
而且上次已經通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
1836.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
1837.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
你又要再重新 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
1837.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
1838.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
等於每一條都要 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
1838.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
1840.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
都要再重新來過 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
1840.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
1842.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
那林處分委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
1842.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
1843.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
我覺得今天很遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
1843.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
1846.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
聽到這個要倒退爐的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
1846.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
1847.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
因為老實說 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
1847.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
1849.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
現在加熱煙販賣的一種形象 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
1849.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
1852.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
就是優雅 漂亮 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
1852.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
1854.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
它看起來不低級 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
1854.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
1855.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
抽煙好像很優雅 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
1855.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
1857.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
可是大家都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
1857.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
1860.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
這個是包裝行銷的手法 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
1860.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
1863.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
而且是殘害健康很嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
1863.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
1866.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
而且這樣的假優雅 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
1866.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
1869.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
會讓青少年就開始想要抽 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
1869.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
1871.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
所以讓整個煙的包裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
1871.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
1872.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
85%都這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
1872.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
1874.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
讓他們看得清清楚楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
1874.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
1876.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
這個警示的圖示 |
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1876.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
1878.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
你會得到這個肺癌 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
1878.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
1881.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
你會這個器官爛成這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
1881.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
1883.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
這個你看了就噁心 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
1883.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
1885.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
然後你噁心就不想抽 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
1885.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
1886.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
不想買 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
1886.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
1887.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
這樣子很好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
1887.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
1889.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
這樣子很好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
1889.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
1892.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
為什麼要把85%再下調到60% |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
1892.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
1895.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
這個只有符合煙商的利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
1895.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
1897.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
為什麼要這樣子呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
1897.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
1899.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
我們都已經往前 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
1899.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
1901.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
大家朝野在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
1901.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
1904.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
審查的時候有共識藍綠白 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
1904.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
1906 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
都有共識85% |
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1906 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
1907.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
結果就你們這幾個來 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
1907.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
1910.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
要把藍綠白的共識再翻案 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
1910.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
1913.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
而且是符合煙商的這個講法 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
1913.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
1915.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
我覺得我們不能接受了 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
1915.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
1918.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
不知道為什麼要這樣子的退路 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
1918.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
1919.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
沒有道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
1919.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
1922.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
我們絕對不允許那種假優雅 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
1922.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
1924.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
吸引我們的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
1924.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
1926.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
強愛我們青少年的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
1926.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
1928.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
從年輕吸到老 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
1929.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
1930.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
1930.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
1931.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
我們反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
1932.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
1935.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
這條維持委員會審查結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
1935.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
1937.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
依照委員會程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
1937.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
1938.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
1939.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
1942.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
所以王委員不可以隨便答應人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
1942.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
1945.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
來我們第15條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
1950.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
1952.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
第15條之一是 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
1953.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
1956.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
網際網路業者的這個管理的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
1956.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
1961.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
那這個部分其實就遵照委員討論的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
1961.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
1965.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
把善良管理人的部分改為管理義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
1965.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
1968.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
那另外也在第四項跟第七項 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
1968.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
1970.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
增加了委員建議的一些文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
1970.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
1973.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
然後並且在立法說明的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
1973.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
1976.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
去增加網際網路業者的一些樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
1976.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
1978.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
的一些說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
1978.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
1981.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
所以這部分就是已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
1981.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
1984.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
主管機關已經有按照這個部分做調整了 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
1986.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
1988.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
委員有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
1989.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
1992.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
因為徵詢委員之前是有對於個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
1992.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
1995.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
然後他變成是用戶註冊資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
2000.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
2000.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
唷 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
2002.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
2003.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
是 我沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
2003.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
2004.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
2004.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
2008.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
那的確個人資料相較之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
2008.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
2010.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
範圍會非常非常的大 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
2010.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
2013.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
所以如果用這樣的部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
2013.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
2017.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
理論上應該是會同樣有達到他的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
2017.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
2019.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
可是又不至於讓這個個人的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
2019.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
2022.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
無限制的去透過這個方式去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
2022.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
2023.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
2028.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
2031.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
那是不是請我們的行政單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
2031.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
2033.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
把剛才這所有文字再唸一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
2033.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
2034.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
讓大家確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
2037.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
2038.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
第15條 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
2041.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
2043.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
報告召委我是不是宣讀有修改過的文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
2043.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
2045.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
還是整條都唸 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
2045.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
2048.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
那我宣讀有修改過的文字是 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
2048.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
2052.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
第15條之一是在網際網路資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
2052.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
2056.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
有第12條或前條第一項鎖定違法情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
2056.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
2059.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
以下簡稱違法資訊之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
2059.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
2063.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
應盡管理義務實施管理作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
2063.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
2065.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
那另外在第4項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
2065.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
2068.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
網際網路業者第一項管理作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
2068.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
2072.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
遁號第二項風險管控機制之適用對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
2072.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
2074.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
遁號必要措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
2074.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
2076.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
遁號防範機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
2076.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
2079.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
及其他應遵行事項之辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
2079.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
2081.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
動號由中央主管定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
2082.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
2085.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
另外是在第6項 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
2086.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
2089.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
網際網路業者就其業務上或系統中 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
2089.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
2092.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
存留之前項違法資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
2092.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
2094.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
遁號網頁資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
2094.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
2097.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
遁號行為人之用戶註冊資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
2097.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
2100.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
及網路使用紀錄資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
2100.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
2105.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
因此收受前項主管機關通知之日起 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
2105.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
2107.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
保存180日 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
2110.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
2112.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
那第7項主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
2112.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
2118 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
應調查違法違反第12條或第15條 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
2118 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
2121.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
第一項規定之行為所必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
2121.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
2124.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
得序名調查目的及範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
2124.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
2126.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
通知網際網路業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
2126.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
2129.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
提供前項違法資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
2129.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
2135.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
遁號網頁資料或行為人之用戶註冊資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
2135.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
2139.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
分號網際網路業者無正當理由不得拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
2139.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
2142.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
主管機關就所取得之資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
2142.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
2146.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
不得為調查目的外之利用 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
2146.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
2150.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
並應記錄其取得利用及銷毀情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
2150.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
2152.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
第8項有其項 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
2152.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
2155.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
有前項以外之事由而須 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
2155.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
2159.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
調取網路使用紀錄資料者 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
2159.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
2161.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
其調取及提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
2161.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
2164.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
因依通訊保障及監察法 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
2164.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
2169.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
遁號刑事訴訟法或其他法律規定辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
2172.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
2173.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
朋友們意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
2175.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
2176.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
沒有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
2177.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
2179.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
第15條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
2179.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
2183.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
依行政院提案委員林瑞琴等三人所提 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
2183.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
2186.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
修正動議及委員王振旭等三人所提 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
2186.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
2188.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
修正動議修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
2189.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
2190.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
2194.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
2196.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
針對15條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
2196.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
2199.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
第15條之二是針對網際網路 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
2199.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
2204.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
接取服務提供者的一個相關規範的法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
2204.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
2206.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
那這一條也遵照委員的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
2206.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
2208.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
在第二 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
2208.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
2210.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
第三項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
2210.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
2213.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
就行為人的用戶註冊資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
2213.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
2216.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
還有後續相關通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
2216.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
2218.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
提供該違法資訊網頁資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
2218.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
2221.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
或行為人之用戶註冊資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
2221.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
2224.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
在這裡的文字修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
2224.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
2226.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
然後也在立法說明的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
2226.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
2229.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
增加對於這個網際網路 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
2229.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
2232.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
接取服務提供者的樣態的一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
2233.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
2234.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
王振旭委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
2234.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
2236.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
因為一樣也事實上是講個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
2236.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
2240.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
後來一樣就是按照你的修正程 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
2240.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
2242.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
用戶註冊資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
2242.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
2243.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
2243.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
2247.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
我想這個15條跟15之一的修正內涵 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
2247.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
2248.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
意見是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
2248.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
2251.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
所以如果同意的話就非常感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
2251.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
2251.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
2251.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
2253.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
那其他委員有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
2254.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
2255.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
沒有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
2255.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
2258.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
第15條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
2258.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
2262.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
一行政院提案及委員王振旭等三人所提 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
2262.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
2264.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
修正動議修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
2264.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
2265.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
2267.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
2268.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
25條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
2273.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
2276.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
第25條之一是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
2276.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
2280.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
製造輸入類煙品或其組合和原件 |
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2280.11 |
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2282.71 |
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所訂的相關的一個法則 |
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2282.71 |
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2286.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
那這個部分我們也尊重委員的提案 |
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2286.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
2292.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
針對第一行跟第二行的級別的部分 |
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2292.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
2295.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
就是在查獲物品 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
2295.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
2297.47 |
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物件數1000件以下 |
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2297.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
2300.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
且總競重未遇10公斤者 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
2300.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
2305.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
從原本的100公斤修正為10公斤者 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
2305.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
2308.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
得處3年以下有期徒刑 |
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2308.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
2309.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
那並且也在 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
2312.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
2313.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
10公斤 |
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2313.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
2316.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
那在立法說明的部分 |
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2316.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
2324.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
也說明相對應就是計算的一個方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
2327.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
2328.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
第25條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
2328.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
2333.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
一行政院提案及委員王振旭等三人所提 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
2333.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
2334.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
修正通過 |
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2331.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
2332.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
10公斤 |
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2332.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
2333.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
10公斤 |
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2334.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
2335.63 |
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對啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
2335.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
2338.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
就是說其實因為你們現在的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
2338.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
2342.63 |
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就是把吸食的器具跟原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
2342.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
2344.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
煙油的原料都混在一起了 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
2344.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
2347.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
但這裡面是不是說如果是載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
2347.63 |
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2350.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
那個吸食的器具就是1000件以下 |
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2350.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
2354.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
但如果是那個煙油的原料的話就10公斤 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
2354.63 |
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2355.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
對10公斤 |
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2355.63 |
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2357.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
就是讓他的門檻越低越好 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
2357.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
2360.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
如果超過了這個門檻的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
2360.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
2362.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
他就是到刑法第一級去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
2362.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
2364.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
對 那我們的意思是說 |
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2364.67 |
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2366.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
應該是要重演 |
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2366.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
2368.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
因為現在煙跟毒就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
2368.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
2369.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
已經很難區別 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
2369.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
2370.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
這個新的時代 |
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2370.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
2371.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
煙等於毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
2371.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
2374.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
毒等於煙的比例的機會實在是 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
2375.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
2376.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
大增了 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
2376.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
2379.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
所以我們只擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
2380.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
2383.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
不擔心錯殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
2383.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
2385.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
只擔心漏掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
2386.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
2389.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
我認為這個如果全部都是煙油的原料的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
2389.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
2391.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
10公斤也是很多很多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
2395.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
2396.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
大靈危 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
2396.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
2398.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
不好意思 我想請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
2398.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
2399.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
因為昨天有來我們辦公室 |
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2399.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
2400.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
來跟我們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
2400.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
2402.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
因為之前我們的討論是10公斤 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
2402.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
2404.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
可是因為說10公斤的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
2404.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
2407.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
他就很難會有這兩級的一個鑑別度 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
2407.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
2409.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
所以我只是想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
2409.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
2411.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
因為其實這部分我們重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
2411.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
2412.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
我們的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
2412.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
2414.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
站在我跟淑芬委員或戰續委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
2414.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
2415.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
或熱情委員的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
2415.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
2416.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
應該都是希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
2416.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
2419.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
如何的去避免我們的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
2419.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
2420.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
去吸食到這些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
2420.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
2423.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
那到底幾公斤合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
2423.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
2424.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
那這個坦白說 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
2424.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
2426.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
可能是要行政機關來告訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
2426.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
2427.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
到底是 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
2427.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
2428.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
因為昨天跟我考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
2428.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
2429.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
說有這個鑑別度的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
2429.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
2431.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
那是不是可以再跟我們多說明一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
2431.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
2433.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
因為我們其實目標就是希望孩子不要吸到 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
2433.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
2434.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
也就這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
2436.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
2437.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
2437.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
2439.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
其實我們的這個設計上 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
2439.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
2442.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
因為有製造輸入跟販賣供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
2442.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
2443.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
那一開始的設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
2443.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
2445.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
會希望這兩個情節 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
2445.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
2446.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
是以製造輸入比較嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
2446.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
2448.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
販賣供應比較不嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
2448.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
2450.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
那在販賣供應的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
2450.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
2452.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
其實當初的設計是 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
2452.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
2454.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
100件10公斤以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
2454.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
2456.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
那所以在 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
2456.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
2459.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
製造輸入的部分就是1000件100公斤 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
2459.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
2461.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
所以只是當初的設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
2461.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
2463.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
有一個比例上的一個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
2463.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
2465.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
那但是因為在跟委員溝通的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
2465.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
2466.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
我們也瞭解 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
2466.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
2468.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
就是這個製造輸入 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
2468.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
2471.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
它可能是一個原物料進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
2471.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
2474.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
那販賣供應可能都是已經是成品了 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
2474.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
2476.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
那如果考量原物料的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
2476.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
2478.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
確實10公斤的菸油 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
2478.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
2481.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
它可以製造出4000個 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
2481.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
2483.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
兩cc的菸氮 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
2483.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
2486.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
所以這個總件數其實也反映1000件以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
2486.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
2488.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
所以基於這樣子的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
2488.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
2491.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
我們認為其實確實可以修正到10公斤 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
2491.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
2492.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
2492.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
2493.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
如果換算成菸油 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
2493.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
2494.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
如果換算成菸油 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
2494.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
2495.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
它件數也超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
2495.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
2499.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
那以菸油這樣的樣態危害更大的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
2499.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
2501.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
確實過了這個量 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
2501.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
2503.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
就是它有這樣子程度的一個危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
2503.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
2505.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
那只是我們的考量會在 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
2505.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
2507.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
不同的行為樣態的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
2507.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
2510.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
這個比例上可能會有一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
2510.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
2512.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
比例不是那麼的均衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
2512.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
2515.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
但是我們認為修正成10公斤 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
2515.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
2516.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
應該也是可行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
2520.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
2523.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
有沒有其他意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
2524.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
2525.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
沒有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
2525.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
2526.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
2526.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
2528.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
我們25條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
2528.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
2530.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
一行政院提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
2530.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
2533.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
委員王振旭等三人所提修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
2533.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
2535.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
動議修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
2536.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
2537.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
2537.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
2540.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
我們續審25條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
2540.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
2542.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
第25條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
2542.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
2545.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
是針對境外旅客自用 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
2545.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
2548.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
自己攜帶的這個類菸品的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
2548.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
2549.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
排除的 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
2549.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
2551.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
就是第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
2552.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
2553.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
採刑事法 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
2553.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
2554.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
然後擂犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
2554.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
2556.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
然後採刑罰的 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
2556.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
2557.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
那當初其實是有委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
2557.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
2559.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
針對一年的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
2559.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
2561.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
其實是有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
2561.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
2563.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
那這邊主管監管考量了之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
2563.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
2566.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
修正為五年內再犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
2566.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
2567.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
那這樣子的一個判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
2567.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
2571.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
主要是兼顧擂犯的一個情況之下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
2571.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
2572.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
做設計的 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
2575.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
2576.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
2576.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
2577.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
25條之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
2583.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
2584.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
沒有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
2584.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
2587.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
這一條就一行政院提案修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
2590.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
2592.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
接下來35條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
2593.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
2594.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
2596.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
2598.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
2599.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
2600.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
30條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
2600.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
2603.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
主要是根據第15條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
2603.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
2607.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
就是前面關於網際網路業者管理的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
2607.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
2610.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
那作為一些文字上修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
2610.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
2612.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
那這邊我念一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
2612.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
2614.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
但網際網路業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
2614.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
2617.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
以依第15條之一第四項 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
2617.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
2618.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
所訂辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
2618.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
2620.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
盡管理義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
2620.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
2622.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
並實施管理作為者 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
2622.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
2624.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
都好不予處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
2624.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
2626.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
所以這是跟著15條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
2626.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
2628.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
做的文字修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
2629.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
2630.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
我願意有嗎意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
2634.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
2635.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
不能亂跑 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
2638.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
2639.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
我們非常需要你 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
2639.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
2640.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
那有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
2640.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
2641.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
沒有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
2641.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
2645.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
第30條就一行政院提案修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
2645.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
2647.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
現在續審35條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
2649.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
2650.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
35條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
2650.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
2653.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
也是因為之前第15條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
2653.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
2656.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
有一些文字上的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
2656.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
2660.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
並且增加那一條裡面的第7項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
2660.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
2662.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
所以在這裡的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
2662.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
2664.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
我念一下下面的文字修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
2664.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
2667.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
在第二款的網際網路業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
2667.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
2671.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
違反第15條之一第6項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
2671.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
2674.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
未依現保存資訊資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
2674.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
2677.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
或違反同條第7項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
2677.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
2679.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
未依主管機關通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
2679.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
2681.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
提供資訊資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
2684.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
2685.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
我有沒意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
2686.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
2687.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
沒有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
2687.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
2688.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
35條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
2688.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
2693.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
一行政院提案及委員王振旭等三人所提修正動議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
2698.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
2699.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
那一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
2699.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
2700.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
44條 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
2700.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
2701.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
那接下來44條 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
2702.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
2703.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
44條 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
2703.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
2706.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
這個是遵照委員建議的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
2706.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
2708.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
在原本的文字後面增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
2708.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
2710.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
依本法應受處罰者 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
2710.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
2712.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
除依本法處罰外 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
2712.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
2714.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
其有犯罪嫌疑者 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
2714.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
2717.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
應移送司法機關處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
2720.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
2721.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
我也有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
2723.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
2725.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
2725.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
2726.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
44條 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
2726.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
2731.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
一行政院提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
2731.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
2732.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
接下來續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
2732.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
2733.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
2734.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
2735.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
這7 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
2737.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
2738.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
第47條 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
2738.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
2741.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
那因為這一次有修正第9條 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
2741.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
2742.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
2742.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
2746.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
調高菸品容器警示圖文的面積到85% |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
2746.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
2749.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
那因為這個考量業者需要辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
2749.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
2751.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
包裝版面的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
2751.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
2754.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
那會需要一個緩衝的一個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
2754.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
2756.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
所以增加文字如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
2756.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
2759.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
本法修正條文除 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
2759.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
2761.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
中華民國幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
2761.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
2764.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
某年某月某日修正公佈之第二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
2764.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
2765.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
2765.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
2766.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
而第9條 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
2766.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
2767.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
2767.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
2769.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
自公佈後一年時之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
2769.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
2772.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
自公佈日施行 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
2774.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
2775.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
我又沒意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
2776.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
2777.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
2777.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
2779.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
因為有一年的緩衝期是適當的 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
2779.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
2780.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
2780.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
2782.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
那第47條 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
2782.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
2785.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
一行政院提案修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
2787.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
2789.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
接下來我們針對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
2793.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
2795.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
不用附帶菌 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
2797.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
2798.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
對對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
2798.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
2800.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
先保留案 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
2800.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
2803.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
來我們先針對附帶菌 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
2803.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
2807.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
附帶菌有兩個保留案跟兩個新提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
2807.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
2809.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
兩個新提案部分要先請 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
2815.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
2819.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
新的兩案請秘書先行宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
2822.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
2825.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
第一案請主管機關於訂定相關執法時 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
2825.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
2828.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
盤點各類平台之營運特性及管理能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
2828.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
2831.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
依平台規模服務形態及風險程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
2831.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
2835.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
訂定合理且具差異化之管理義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
2835.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
2836.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
及認定標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
2836.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
2839.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
並於執法發佈前提出評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
2839.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
2842.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
以兼顧防治違法資訊平台責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
2842.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
2844.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
及產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
2844.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
2847.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
提案委員林月請連署委員王振旭 |
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2847.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
2848.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
林淑芬 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
2848.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
2850.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
附帶決議新增2 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
2850.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
2853.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
考量煙品添加風味後容易誘導 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
2853.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
2856.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
青少年及女性接觸與成癮 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
2856.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
2858.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
《煙害防治法》第十條規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
2858.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
2859.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
明訂煙品不得使用 |
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2859.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
2862.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
中央主管機關公告禁止使用至添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
2862.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
2864.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
然而 112年 |
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2865.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
2868.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
施行迄今兩次預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
2868.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
2870.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
人未完成公告程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
2870.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
2873.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
請衛生福利部緊述公告煙品禁止使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
2873.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
2874.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
特徵風味添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
2874.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
2876.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
以保障國人健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
2876.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
2877.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
提案委員王振旭 |
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2877.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
2878.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
林淑芬 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
2878.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
2879.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
林月請宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
2879.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
2881.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
好 先處理我們保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
2881.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
2883.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
附帶決議的第一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
2883.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
2885.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
請行政機關表示意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
2885.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
2887.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
是 主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
2888.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
2890.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
原來保留的 上次保留的 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
2901.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
2908.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
2903.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
2905.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
反正是許委員的題目 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
2917.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
2918.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
都沒有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
2918.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
2919.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
找到了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
2931.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
2932.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
2940.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
2942.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
這個剛才不是有新的決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
2942.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
2943.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
跟這個類似了 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
2944.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
2946.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
那這個還要再處理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
2951.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
2953.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
因為他這個就牽扯到法律上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
2953.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
2956.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
比較 比較細節上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
2956.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
2958.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
的字眼了 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
2963.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
2965.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
剛才你們不是提了 類似的 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
2965.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
2968.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
對 這個已經在十五條之一的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
2968.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
2970.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
做文字的一個修正了 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
2970.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
2971.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
所以這個不用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
2971.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
2972.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
對啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
2972.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
2973.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
2973.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
2975.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
那這一案就不處理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
2975.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
2976.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
好 拿到第二個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
2976.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
2977.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
拿來 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
2978.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
2980.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
再來下一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
2982.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
2983.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
上次保留的 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
2983.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
2984.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
第二 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
2987.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
2990.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
就是通知限制瀏覽移除 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
2991.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
2992.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
限制截取 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
2993.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
2995.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
這個主管機關准照辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
2995.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
2996.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
2996.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
2997.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
那就 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
2997.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
2998.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
照案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
2999.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
3001.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
接下來今天的新的兩案 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
3001.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
3002.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
好 第一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
3005.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
3006.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
3012.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
3013.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
好 有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
3013.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
3014.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
沒有 准照辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
3014.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
3016.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
好 那就照案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
3016.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
3019.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
第二案 王靖維提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
3020.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
3021.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
就是家衛 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
3023.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
3024.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
風味添加物的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
3024.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
3025.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
我們准照辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
3025.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
3026.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
好 那就照案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
3027.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
3028.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
謝謝衛邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
3030.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
3033.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
立法說明受全行政機關處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
3034.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
3036.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
本法案相關調次條文中 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
3036.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
3040.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
原引條相次及法制用語調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
3040.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
3042.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
授權醫事人員調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
3042.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
3045.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
那休息一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
3045.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
3047.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
就等一下他們協商結論還在打 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
3047.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
3048.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
3050.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
3051.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
等我一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
3052.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
3054.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
現在宣告以上協商結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
3054.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
3057.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
協商通過條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
3063.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
3065.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
15之1 15之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].start |
3065.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
3066.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
15之1 15之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
3066.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
3067.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
15之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
3067.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
3070.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
學生通過條文就是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
3070.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
3073.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
15之1 15之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
3075.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
3077.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
15之1 15之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
3077.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
3080.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
30跟35之1 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
3081.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
3084.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
44跟47 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
3086.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
3089.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
保留第7條跟第10條 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
3090.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
3092.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
區域軍造審查會 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
3092.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
3093.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
審查結果通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
3095.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
3096.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
請大家有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
3096.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
3099.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
沒有的話我們等下請黨團簽名 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
3099.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
3100.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
新增附帶決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
3100.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
3103.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
新增通過附帶決議三案 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
3103.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
3104.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
如附件 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
3107.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
3109.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
我們等下給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
3289.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
3290.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
那你這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
3290.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
3292.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
宣告協商結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
3292.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
3293.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
要講時間嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
3293.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
3294.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
不是都不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
3294.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
3295.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
只要這裡就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
3295.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
3296.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
這裡就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
3296.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
3297.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
好協商結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
3297.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
3299.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
一協商通過條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
3299.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
3302.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
增訂第15條之1 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
3302.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
3304.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
第15條之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
3304.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
3305.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
第25條之1 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
3305.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
3306.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
25條之2 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
3306.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
3308.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
第30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
3308.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
3309.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
第35條之1 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
3309.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
3310.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
第44條 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
3310.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
3312.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
第47條 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
3312.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
3313.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
如附件1 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
3313.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
3314.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
二保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
3314.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
3315.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
送院會處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
3315.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
3316.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
第7條 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
3316.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
3317.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
第10條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
3317.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
3320.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
三審查會保留附帶決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
3320.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
3321.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
第一案不予處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
3321.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
3324.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
四審查會保留附帶決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
3324.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
3325.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
第二案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
3325.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
3326.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
如附件2 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
3327.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
3329.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
五新增附帶決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
3329.92 |
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3330.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
兩項 |
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3330.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
3331.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
如附件3 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
3332.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
3334.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
六期餘軍照審查會 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
3334.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
3336.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
審查結果通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
3336.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
3337.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
七 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
3337.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
3339.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
簡復修政治立法說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
3339.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
3340.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
如附件4 |
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3341.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
3342.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
請問大家有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
3343.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
3344.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
3344.73 |
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3345.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
3356.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
3357.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
別瞪著 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
3359.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
3360.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
散會 |
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主席 |
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2026-07-30T14:43:29.630000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:43:31.848182+08:00 |
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我們現在協商會議開始。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
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2026-07-30T14:43:32.070000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:43:34.594444+08:00 |
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現在協商菸害防制法。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-07-30T14:46:22.420000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:46:29.005000+08:00 |
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今日保留條文計有 10 條，希望儘量協商通過，請各位委員綜合考量，
衛福部也隨時溝通。 |
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0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-07-30T14:46:29.820000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:46:39.709091+08:00 |
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今天進行方式是請衛福部先說明，再請各位委員表示意見，最後會中協商
結論，請各黨團簽名。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
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2026-07-30T14:46:41.890000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:46:46.158571+08:00 |
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現在進行第七條的討論，先請衛福部說明。 |
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0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
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2026-07-30T14:46:49.780000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:47:10.540000+08:00 |
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報告召委跟委員，第七條的部分，主要是指定菸品的部分需不需要經過健康風險評估
才可以供外銷，這一條的部分我們尊重委員會的審查意見。有。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
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2026-07-30T14:47:22.228000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-07-30T14:48:35.772000+08:00 |
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我想在這裡再講一遍，本人表示反對，第一個，包括全世界的衛生組織、包括臺灣的
國家政策，我們都希望菸草產業的整個市場是要縮小的，這是我們努力的目標，雖然是一個理
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想的狀況，但是我們沒有理由支持讓菸草產業擴大，這是第一個；第二個，我也再講一遍，國
內並沒有所謂的菸農，也就是沒有菸草的農業、也沒有多大的就業機會問題，所以沒有產業上
的衝擊，沒有相關產業農業、沒有勞工就業機會上的衝擊，所以我們對這個一點包袱都沒有，
再加上第一個目標，所以我們沒有理由支持開放；第三個，這是最核心的，雖然出口跟國內使
用是分流規劃，但是輸出會不會流到國內市場，這是徒增風險，本來是百分之一百零風險，我
們為什麼要開放，然後再增加回流的風險？ |
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0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
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2026-07-30T14:48:36.020000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:48:37.391429+08:00 |
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一點道理都沒有。 |
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1 |
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林委員淑芬 |
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2026-07-30T14:48:37.620000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:49:01.528571+08:00 |
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最後我要講，基本上讓產業萎縮，把它管制得越嚴格，然後要通過健康風險的評估及審查，
這個是基本，你如果有本事通過健康風險的評估及審查，我也沒有話說了，因為這是目前的遊
戲規則，但是你不要改掉遊戲規則，然後開放分流，分流還是會回流啦！ |
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0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
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2026-07-30T14:49:01.820000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:49:07.460000+08:00 |
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所以在這裡，本人堅
決主張第七條跟第十條都不予修正，謝謝。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
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2026-07-30T14:49:09.730000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:49:17.014444+08:00 |
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麻煩現場，委員在講話的時候音量要下降，剛剛林淑芬委員在講的時候，可能很多人沒辦法
聽到。 |
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0.872 |
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主席 |
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2026-07-30T14:49:17.750000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:49:19.535000+08:00 |
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接下來有哪一位委員要發言？ |
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0.583 |
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主席 |
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2026-07-30T14:49:21.280000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:49:22.400000+08:00 |
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請陳超明委員。 |
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0.667 |
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陳委員超明 |
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2026-07-30T14:49:24.240000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:50:43.725714+08:00 |
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首先，我跟林委員的意見、觀點是不同的，目前第七條的修正案是關於加熱菸，我也
請每一位委員及在場官員了解，在加熱菸的部分，全世界只有美國跟臺灣有健康風險評估，包
括日本在國內銷售也沒有健康風險評估，因為加熱菸是從一般菸再發展出來的，在這裡我主張
要給我們臺灣的菸廠一個國際競爭的機會，只要符合輸入國的規範就可以了，沒有那麼清高，
世界都在競爭，這是對於第七條我所堅持的觀點，應該要給產業有機會；至於臺灣有沒有生產
菸草，日本也沒有生產菸草、美國也沒有生產菸草，幾乎都在國外、在落後的地方生產，這跟
氣候有關係。 |
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0.863 |
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陳委員超明 |
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2026-07-30T14:50:43.980000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:51:32.340000+08:00 |
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至於就業的機會，包括這些菸廠加起來大概有超過 2,000 人的就業機會，我們很多方面都是從
菸的方面來保障國人安全，有時候大家說抽菸不好，我也覺得不怎麼好，但是有人勇於犧牲自
己來照拂其他人，也是一種方式，不然世界上沒有國家像臺灣限制得那麼嚴格，這是我個人的
觀點，我也希望衛福部能從經濟產業發展的角度來支持這個法案，讓產業有生成的機會，謝謝
。 |
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0.874 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-07-30T14:51:36.350000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:51:41.412500+08:00 |
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先請衛福部回應兩位委員不同的意見。 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-07-30T14:51:52.180000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:51:52.400000+08:00 |
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請蘇清泉委員。 |
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0.333 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-07-30T14:51:55.380000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:52:21.780000+08:00 |
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我上次也有提到，我們臺灣的原料藥藥品，事實上也有很多是臺灣沒有在使用的，有
的銷到美國、有的銷到其他國家，都要照輸入國家的要求，基本上衛福部是不會去管這個部分
，也是樂觀其成啦。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-07-30T14:52:23.620000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:52:51.010000+08:00 |
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抽菸是壞事，以臨床醫師來看抽菸是不好的，大家都不要抽菸，但是幾千
年來好像也沒辦法消滅掉，既然這是一個商業行為，他們要求菸草出口或是紙菸出口或是怎麼
樣，只要我們能符合要輸出的國家的嚴格規定，這樣就可以了，這是第一個。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-07-30T14:52:51.270000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:53:12.810000+08:00 |
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第二個，你說怕出口出去又會回流回來，那又是另外一件事情、另外一個 issue，變成又回流
回來就是管理有問題，那是財政部、衛福部的邊境管理問題，你不能因為怕將來會回流到臺灣
，這個有點講話邏輯不通啦。 |
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0.67 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-07-30T14:53:13.110000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:53:35.400000+08:00 |
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所以這兩條，第七條及第十條，如果業者有生存的需求，別的國家也很嚴格地要求，我們主
管單位應該也不會禁止啦，所以我們還是希望能夠讓他們出口。以上。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.734 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
邱委員鎮軍 |
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2026-07-30T14:53:41.628000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:53:42.372000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
邱委員鎮軍 |
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2026-07-30T14:53:42.620000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:54:11.268000+08:00 |
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我也是支持陳超明委員的看法，我覺得這個產業本身造就了很多的工作機
會，也養活了很多家庭，今天的爭點是，我們不在國內販賣，他只是出口，就可以造就我們國
人的工作機會，我想這是非常好的一點。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
邱委員鎮軍 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-07-30T14:54:11.603333+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:54:50.770588+08:00 |
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另外，剛剛也有講到，如果再回流、走私進來的話，
這個部分本來海關就已經在做防堵，我覺得我們應該相信我們自己的海關有能力去阻止這個事
情，不可能因為我們有出口這個菸，所以海關就不再做嚴格的審查與把關，因此這個部分我想
應該是不會發生的事情，因為這本來就是應該要做的事情，不會造成我們基層公務人員的負擔
。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
邱委員鎮軍 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-07-30T14:54:50.940000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:54:52.500000+08:00 |
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以上是我的看法，謝謝。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-07-30T14:54:55.920000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:55:29.350000+08:00 |
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抱歉，蘇委員，我沒有辦法接受你說我邏輯不通，上回我提出這樣的觀點，但我回答
的時候，你已經離開了，所以你沒有聽我講過，我再講一遍，你講的原料藥在國內沒有許可，
但還是可以製造、輸出，藥是救命的啦，菸草是殺人命的，菸草是被 IARC 列為第一級的致癌物
，菸草是第一級的致癌物啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-07-30T14:55:30.180000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:55:37.013333+08:00 |
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菸草是害命的，藥是救命的，你不能把兩個拿來類比啦，這是第
一個。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-07-30T14:55:37.320000+08:00 |
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2026-07-30T14:55:49.954286+08:00 |
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第二個，不要言必稱產業、言必稱就業機會，臺灣目前根本就沒有這麼大的菸草產業，也沒
有這種就業需求，而我們沒有必要壯大這種產業。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-07-30T14:55:50.200000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-07-30T14:56:21.617143+08:00 |
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第三個，你們講說這個是要外銷的，回流的部分是管理面的問題，是執行法律的人要去管理
的，這個邏輯不通，你說我邏輯不通，我認為你們才不通，你上游開放了，再叫下游海關去抓
、再叫下游警察去抓，你一直不斷地開放上游，然後下游再去抓，永遠都抓不完啊，那為什麼
不直接把門關起來就好了，通通都不用抓呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.858 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-07-30T14:56:21.617143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-07-30T14:56:23.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-07-30T14:56:23.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-07-30T14:56:29.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
而且我們的終極目標就是要消滅這個產
業，你們為什麼言必稱發展產業呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-07-30T14:56:30.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-07-30T14:56:35.807333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
我們怎麼會是發展香菸、菸草產業呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-07-30T14:56:36.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-07-30T14:56:45.238571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
我們是要以讓產業
萎縮、消滅這個產業為目標，結果你們都言必稱產業發展，我就聽不下去了。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-07-30T14:56:45.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-07-30T14:56:56.074615+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
所以我覺得這個東西就算再多講，講一遍、兩遍、三遍，他們都還是講一樣的，我也是都講
一樣的，所以主席，這一條我認為是沒有辦法達成共識。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.754 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-07-30T14:56:57.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-07-30T14:57:25.449091+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我想觀點不同，沒有辦法達成共識，但是也請林委員曉得，所有菸草都是最先進的國
家當老闆，我只是提醒說這個世界就長成這樣，別人能做，臺灣不能做，我覺得不合理，那觀
點不同，我是建議主席，我們送到院會協商，講得再久也是這幾個觀點而已。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-07-30T14:57:26.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-07-30T14:57:49.476154+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
為什麼比我們臺
灣還先進的國家，譬如美國、日本、歐洲，你去看那些菸廠的老闆都是這幾個國家，我只是說
觀點不一樣，今天怎麼討論一定討論不完的，那我想建議主席送到院會協商。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-07-30T14:57:56.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-07-30T14:58:00.196667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
那就第七條、第十條都一併保留。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-07-30T14:58:00.646000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-07-30T14:58:01.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
一併保留，其他委員有沒有意見？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-07-30T14:58:02.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-07-30T14:58:07.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
沒有的話，第七條跟第十條我們就保留。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-07-30T14:58:12.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-07-30T14:58:14.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
接下來是第十五條之一。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-07-30T14:58:14.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-07-30T14:58:16.865857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
346
立法院公報 第 115卷 第 68期 黨團協商紀錄 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.133 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-07-30T14:58:16.865857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-07-30T14:58:19.135714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
第九條呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-07-30T14:58:19.135714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-07-30T14:58:19.958571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
第九條呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-07-30T14:58:23.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-07-30T14:58:31.316667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
第九條已經通過了，上次第九條已經修正通過了。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-07-30T14:58:31.964286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-07-30T14:58:40.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
報告主席，第九條的部分，我剛剛有跟王正旭委員溝通他的修正動議提案。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.533 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-07-30T14:58:44.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-07-30T14:59:20.257273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
這是一包
加熱菸，大家沒抽菸的可能不知道，我們臺灣現在的就長這個樣子，就是 50%的警語圖檔，現
在直接要弄到 85%，我跟大家報告，我們臺灣進口的菸都是從世界大國來的，從瑞士、美國、
日本等等的菸商進來的，你們一直在說不要發展菸草產業，結果外國做得比我們多，也比我們
強勢，連美僑協會什麼的都在關心。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.709 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-07-30T14:59:21.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-07-30T14:59:48.738571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
我剛剛跟王正旭委員溝通，他說 50%的警語他沒辦法接受，如果用到 85%，等於整個都是警
語、都是圖檔，澳洲有 data，他們的菸用到 80%的警語圖檔，結果他們的菸大部分都是走私菸，
10 包有 8 包、7 包都是走私菸，走私的情況很嚴重。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.711 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-07-30T14:59:48.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-07-30T15:00:01.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
所以我的建議是修改，王正旭也有同意，
不然我們就提高到 60%，它上次是用 85%，針對第九條我的建議是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.651 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-07-30T15:00:02.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-07-30T15:00:03.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
不是，我們都沒有答應，這條通過了喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.533 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-07-30T15:00:04.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-07-30T15:00:08.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
不是，這條已經通過了，哪有人通過，然後我們又再…… |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-07-30T15:00:09.020000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-07-30T15:00:09.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
我們也反對！ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-07-30T15:00:11.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-07-30T15:00:14.606667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
修正動議再修正這樣而已，如果要再修正，我們就再修正。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-07-30T15:00:15.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-07-30T15:00:24.258889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
沒有，程序就不符合，上次協商就通過了……上次是審查。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-07-30T15:00:28+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-07-30T15:00:40.281429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
上次通過的委員現在不在場，我們也不能去否定掉上次通過的委員意見，而且上次已經通過
了，你又要再重新，等於每一條都要再重新來過嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-07-30T15:00:40.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-07-30T15:00:41.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
請林淑芬委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-07-30T15:00:42.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-07-30T15:01:29.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我覺得今天很遺憾聽到這個要「倒退嚕」的修正，老實說，現在販賣加熱菸的形象就
是優雅、漂亮，看起來不低級，抽菸好像很優雅，可是大家都知道這個是包裝行銷手法，而且
嚴重地殘害健康，這樣的假優雅會讓青少年開始想要抽，所以讓整個菸的包裝有 85%的警示圖
示，讓他們看得清清楚楚，他會得到肺癌、他會器官爛成這個樣子，看了就覺得噁心，噁心就
不想抽、不想買，這樣子很好啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.877 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-07-30T15:01:29.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-07-30T15:01:32.524545+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
為什麼要把 85%再下調到 60%？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-07-30T15:01:32.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-07-30T15:01:37.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
這只有符合菸商的利益，為
什麼要這樣子呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-07-30T15:01:37.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-07-30T15:01:59.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
我們都已經往前邁進，大家在這裡審查的時候朝野有共識，藍、綠、白都有
共識 85%，結果就你們這幾個要把藍、綠、白的共識再翻案，而且是符合菸商的講法，我們不
能接受，也不知道為什麼要這樣子「倒退嚕」，沒有道理！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-07-30T15:01:59.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-07-30T15:02:11.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我們絕對不允許那種假優雅吸引我
們的孩子、戕害青少年的健康，從年輕吸到老，我們反對。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
王委員正旭 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-07-30T15:02:15.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-07-30T15:02:18.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
依照委員會程序，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-07-30T15:02:19.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-07-30T15:02:22.162857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
所以王委員不可以隨便答應人家。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-07-30T15:02:23.665714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-07-30T15:02:24.951429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
繼續第十五條之一。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-07-30T15:02:30.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-07-30T15:02:44.803333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
第十五條之一是網際網路業者的管理部分，遵照委員討論的意見，把善良管理人的部
347
立法院公報 第 115卷 第 68期 黨團協商紀錄
分改為管理義務。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.702 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-07-30T15:02:45.343333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-07-30T15:03:04.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
另外也在第四項跟第七項增加了委員建議的一些文字，並且在立法說明增加
網際網路業者的樣態，所以這部分主管機關已經有做調整了。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-07-30T15:03:06.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-07-30T15:03:08.592857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
委員有沒有意見？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-07-30T15:03:09.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-07-30T15:03:15.406667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
因為正旭委員之前針對個資，現在變成用戶註冊資料。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
王委員正旭 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-07-30T15:03:22.393333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-07-30T15:03:24.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
我沒意見，謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
王委員正旭 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-07-30T15:03:24.987273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-07-30T15:03:42.585714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
的確相較之下，個人資料範圍會非常非常的大，如果修改成這
樣的話，理論上應該會同樣達到它的需求，可是又不至於讓個人資料無限制地透過這方式去處
理。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-07-30T15:03:48.926667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-07-30T15:03:54.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
是不是請行政單位把剛剛所有文字再唸一遍，讓大家確認？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-07-30T15:04:01.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-07-30T15:04:05.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
報告召委，我是不是宣讀有修改過的文字，還是整條都唸？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-07-30T15:04:05.813333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-07-30T15:04:08.183333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
我宣讀有修改過的文字。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-07-30T15:04:08.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-07-30T15:05:39.482353+08:00 |
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第十五條之一：「網際網路資料有第十二條或前條第一項所
定違法情事（以下簡稱違法資訊）之虞，應盡管理義務，實施管理作為」；第四項：「網際網
路業者第一項管理作為、第二項風險管控機制之適用對象、必要措施、防範機制及其他應遵行
事項之辦法，由中央主管機關定之」；第六項：「網際網路業者就其業務上或系統中留存之前
項違法資訊、網頁資料、行為人之用戶註冊資料及網路使用紀錄資料，應自收受前項主管機關
通知之日起保存一百八十日」；第七項：主管機關因調查違反第十二條或第十五條第一項規定
之行為所必要，得敘明調查目的及範圍，通知網際網路業者提供前項違法資訊、網頁資料或行
為人之用戶註冊資料；網際網路業者無正當理由，不得拒絕。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-07-30T15:05:39.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-07-30T15:06:08.842500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
主管機關就所取得之資料，不得
為調查目的外之利用，並應記錄其取得、利用及銷毀情形」；第八項：「有前項以外之事由而
須調取網路使用紀錄資料者，其調取及提供，應依通訊保障及監察法、刑事訴訟法或其他法律
規定辦理」。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-07-30T15:06:08.842500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-07-30T15:06:15.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
委員有沒有意見？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-07-30T15:06:15.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-07-30T15:06:28.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
沒有的話，第十五條之一依行政院提案、委員林月琴等 3人所提修正動議
及委員王正旭等 3人所提修正動議修正通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-07-30T15:06:29.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-07-30T15:06:35.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
接下來第十五條之二，請說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-07-30T15:06:36.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-07-30T15:07:12.549333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
第十五條之二是針對網際網路接取服務提供者的規範法條，這一條也遵照委員的提案
，在第三項的部分，就行為人的用戶註冊資料，還有後續相關通知提供該違法資訊、網頁資料
或行為人之用戶註冊資料做文字修正，然後也在立法說明增加網際網路接取服務提供者的樣態
說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.965 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-07-30T15:07:13.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-07-30T15:07:22.233333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
王正旭委員也是上次講到個資，後來一樣按照你的意見修正為用戶註冊資料？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.781 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
王委員正旭 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-07-30T15:07:22.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-07-30T15:07:31.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
謝謝主席，第十五條之二跟第十五條之一的修正內涵，意見是一致的，如果同意的話
，非常感謝，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.775 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-07-30T15:07:31.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-07-30T15:07:33.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
其他委員有沒有意見？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-07-30T15:07:34.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-07-30T15:07:44.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
沒有的話，第十五條之二依行政院提案及委員王正旭等 3 人所提修正
動議修正通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-07-30T15:07:44.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-07-30T15:07:48.433333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
接下來第二十五條之一。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-07-30T15:07:53.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-07-30T15:08:43.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
第二十五條之一是針對製造、輸入類菸品或其組合元件所訂的相關罰則，這個部分我
們也尊重委員的提案，針對第一型跟第二型的級別，在查獲物件數一千件以下，且總淨重未逾
348
立法院公報 第 115卷 第 68期 黨團協商紀錄
十公斤者，從原本的「一百公斤」修正為「十公斤」者，處三年以下有期徒刑，並且在立法說
明載明相對應的計算方式。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-07-30T15:08:54.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-07-30T15:09:22.448182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
對啦，其實因為你們現在的管理把吸食的器具跟煙油的原料都混在一起了，但這裡面
是不是如果吸食的器具是一千件以下，但煙油的原料是十公斤，就是讓它的門檻越低越好，如
果超過這個門檻就到刑法第一級去了。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-07-30T15:09:23.114444+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-07-30T15:09:45.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
我們的意思是應該要從嚴，因為現在菸跟毒已經很難區
辨，在這個新的時代，菸等於毒、毒等於菸的比例實在是大增了，我們不擔心錯殺，只擔心漏
掉啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.869 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-07-30T15:09:46.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-07-30T15:09:51.627778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
我認為這個如果全部都是煙油的原料的話，十公斤也是很多很多了。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-07-30T15:09:58.931818+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-07-30T15:10:00.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
你們昨天有來我們辦公室說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-07-30T15:10:01.083333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-07-30T15:10:07.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
之前我們的討論是十公斤，但訂為十公斤的話，會使
這兩級難以有鑑別度。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-07-30T15:10:10.477273+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-07-30T15:10:23.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
針對這部分，我、林淑芬委員、王正旭委員或林月琴委員的目標應該是
避免孩子們去吸食到這些東西，所以到底幾公斤才算合理？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.731 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-07-30T15:10:24.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-07-30T15:10:31.656667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
坦白說，我覺得可能要行政機關來
告訴我們到底……你們昨天跟我說考量到鑑別度的問題，所以可否再跟我們多說明一點？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.796 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
張委員雅琳 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-07-30T15:10:32.012222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-07-30T15:10:34.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
其實
我們的目標就是希望孩子不要吸到而已，就這樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-07-30T15:10:36.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-07-30T15:10:47.887778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
跟委員說明，我們一開始在設計上有製造輸入、販賣供應兩個情節，其中，製造輸入
比較嚴重，販賣供應比較不嚴重。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-07-30T15:10:48.332222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-07-30T15:11:02.928182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
在販賣供應部分，其實當初的設計是一百件十公斤以下，至於製造輸入部分就是一千件一百
公斤，這是當初設計時的比例原則。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-07-30T15:11:03.824286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-07-30T15:11:13.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
不過在跟委員溝通時我們也了解到，製造輸入可能是原物
料進來，至於販賣供應可能都已經是成品了。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-07-30T15:11:14.695455+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-07-30T15:11:25.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
考量到原物料，確實，十公斤的煙油可以製造出
四千個兩 CC 煙彈，總件數其實也到一千件以上。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-07-30T15:11:26.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-07-30T15:11:35.023333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
基於這樣的考量，我們認為確實可以修正到十
公斤，畢竟換算成煙油的話，件數也已經超過。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.784 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-07-30T15:11:35.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-07-30T15:11:43.047143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
目前煙油的樣態危害更大，只要過了這個量，
就會達到這樣子程度的危害。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-07-30T15:11:43.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-07-30T15:11:55.904286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
不過我們考量到在不同的行為樣態下，比例上可能不是那麼均衡
，但我們認為修正成十公斤應該也可行。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.884 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-07-30T15:12:00.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-07-30T15:12:02.738571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
委員有沒有其他意見？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-07-30T15:12:04.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-07-30T15:12:15.376667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
沒有的話，第二十五條之一依行政院提案、委員王正旭等 3人所提修
正動議修正通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-07-30T15:12:16.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-07-30T15:12:20.041429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
接下來第二十五條之二。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-07-30T15:12:20.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-07-30T15:12:35.903333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
第二十五條之二是針對境外旅客自用，自己攜帶類菸品的排除……就是第一次採刑政
罰，累犯採刑罰。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-07-30T15:12:36.681111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-07-30T15:12:46.195000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
當初有委員針對一年這部分有意見，經主管機關考量修正為五年內再犯。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-07-30T15:12:47.347778+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-07-30T15:12:52.070000+08:00 |
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之
所以做此判斷，主要是兼顧累犯的情況去做設計。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-07-30T15:12:52.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-07-30T15:13:03.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
對第二十五條之二，委員有沒有意見？沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.176 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-07-30T15:13:03.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-07-30T15:13:06.795714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
沒有的話，這一條就依行政院提案修正通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-07-30T15:13:10.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-07-30T15:13:11.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
接下來第三十條。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-07-30T15:13:13.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-07-30T15:13:30.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
第三十條主要是根據第十五條之一，即前面關於網際網路業者管理的部分做一些文字
上的修正。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-07-30T15:13:31.487143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-07-30T15:13:44.296667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
我唸一下：「但網際網路業者已依第十五條之一第四項所定辦法，盡管理義務並實
施管理作為者，不予處罰」。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.884 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-07-30T15:13:44.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-07-30T15:13:48.296667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
所以這是隨同第十五條之一所做的文字修正。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.684 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-07-30T15:13:48.296667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-07-30T15:14:00.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
349
立法院公報 第 115卷 第 68期 黨團協商紀錄沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.118 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-07-30T15:14:00.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-07-30T15:14:05.472308+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
沒有的話，第三十條就依行政院提案修正通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-07-30T15:14:06.351429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-07-30T15:14:07.494286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
接下來續審第三十五條之一。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.417 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-07-30T15:14:09.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-07-30T15:14:44.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
第三十五條之一也是因為第十五條之一而做了一些文字上的修正，並增加該條第七項
規定，我唸一下文字修正，第二款：「網際網路業者違反第十五條之一第六項規定，未依限保
存資訊、資料，或違反同條第七項規定，未依主管機關通知提供資訊、資料。」沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.825 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-07-30T15:14:46.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-07-30T15:14:53.722609+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
沒有的話，第三十五條之一依行政院提案及委員王正旭等 3人所提修正動議通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-07-30T15:15:00.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-07-30T15:15:02.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
接下來第四十四條。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-07-30T15:15:03.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-07-30T15:15:20.917143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
這是遵照委員建議的版本，在原本的文字後面增加：「依本法應受處罰者，除依本法
處罰外，其有犯罪嫌疑者，應移送司法機關處理。」。沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-07-30T15:15:21.065714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-07-30T15:15:31.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
沒有的話，第四十四條依行政院提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案修正通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.724 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-07-30T15:15:31.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-07-30T15:15:37.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
接下來續審第四十七條。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-07-30T15:15:38.632727+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-07-30T15:16:11.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
因為這次有修正第九條第二項，調高菸品容器警示圖文的面積到 85%，考量業者辦
理包裝版面的調整需要緩衝時間，所以增加文字如下：「本法修正條文，除中華民國○年○月
○日修正公布之第九條第二項自公布後一年施行外，自公布日施行。」。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
王委員正旭 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-07-30T15:16:16.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-07-30T15:16:20.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
沒有，有一年的緩衝期是適當的，同意。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-07-30T15:16:21.316667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-07-30T15:16:25.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
第四十七條依行政院提案修正通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-07-30T15:16:27.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-07-30T15:16:42.353333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
接下來我們處理附帶決議及新增之附帶決議，請議事人員宣讀。 |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.346 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-07-30T15:16:42.353333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-07-30T15:16:52.557917+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
附帶決議：
1.
菸害防制法第十五條之一 附帶決議
本條修正增訂網際網路平台業者應負管理義務，以防止違法資訊散布，維護公共利益，方向
值得肯定。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.033 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-07-30T15:16:52.557917+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-07-30T15:17:02.762500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
惟考量各類平台之規模、營運模式、服務型態及技術能力均有差異，如大型社群平
台、搜尋引擎、電子商務平台及討論論壇等，其可負擔之管理義務不盡相同，若未建立差異化
規範，恐增加業者法遵成本，亦不利制度執行。 |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.023 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-07-30T15:17:02.762500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-07-30T15:17:23.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
爰請主管機關於訂定相關子法時，盤點各類平
台之營運特性及管理能力，依平台規模、服務型態及風險程度，訂定合理且具差異化之管理義
務及認定標準，並於子法發布前提出評估報告，以兼顧防制違法資訊、平台責任及產業發展。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.904 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
提案人 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-07-30T15:17:25.057143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-07-30T15:17:25.271429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
林月琴 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
連署人 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-07-30T15:17:26.557143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-07-30T15:17:56.294286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
王正旭 林淑芬
350
立法院公報 第 115卷 第 68期 黨團協商紀錄
2.
《菸害防制法》附帶決議
考量菸品添加風味後容易誘導青少年及女性接觸與成瘾，菸害防制法第十條規定明定菸品不
得使用中央主管機關公告禁止使用之添加物，然一百十二年日施行迄今，經兩次預告仍未完成
公告程序，請衛生福利部儘速公告菸品禁止使用特徵風味添加物，以保障國人健康。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
提案人 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-07-30T15:17:57.151429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-07-30T15:17:58.722857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
王正旭 林淑芬 林月琴 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-07-30T15:17:59.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-07-30T15:18:05.357778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
先處理保留附帶決議的第 1案，這是上次保留的，原來保留的，請行政機關表示意見。 |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-07-30T15:19:00.753636+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-07-30T15:19:03.056667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
剛才不是有個新的決議跟這個類似？ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-07-30T15:19:04.726667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-07-30T15:19:06.313333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
所以這個還要再處理嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-07-30T15:19:11.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-07-30T15:19:17.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
因為這個牽扯到法律上
比較細節的字眼。 |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-07-30T15:19:23.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-07-30T15:19:25.378182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
剛才你們不是提了類似的？ |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-07-30T15:19:25.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-07-30T15:19:30.337778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
對，在處理第十五條之一時有做文字修正了…… |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-07-30T15:19:30.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-07-30T15:19:31.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
所以這個不用了？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-07-30T15:19:32.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-07-30T15:19:35.115556+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
好，這案就不處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-07-30T15:19:39.606000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-07-30T15:19:51.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
下一案，上次保留的第 2案，就是通知限制瀏覽、移除、限制接取。 |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-07-30T15:19:54.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-07-30T15:19:55.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
主管機關遵照辦理。 |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
林委員淑芬 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-07-30T15:19:55.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-07-30T15:19:57.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
遵照辦理就好。 |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-07-30T15:19:57.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-07-30T15:19:58.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
好，照案通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-07-30T15:19:59.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-07-30T15:20:01.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
接下來今天新的兩案。 |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-07-30T15:20:01.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-07-30T15:20:13.813333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
第 1 案，有沒有意見？ |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
沈署長靜芬 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-07-30T15:20:13.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-07-30T15:20:14.813333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
沒有，遵照辦理。 |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-07-30T15:20:14.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-07-30T15:20:16.694286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
好，照案通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-07-30T15:20:16.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
|
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2026-07-30T15:20:20.810000+08:00 |
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第 2案，王正旭委員提的，就是加味…… |
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沈署長靜芬 |
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風味添加物的部分，我們遵照辦理。 |
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沈署長靜芬 |
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謝謝委員。 |
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立法說明授權行政機關處理，本法案相關條次、條文中援引條次及法制用語調整，授權議事
人員調整。 |
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2026-07-30T15:24:56.530000+08:00 |
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協商結論：
一、協商通過條文：增訂第十五條之一、增訂第十五條之二、增訂第二十五條之一、增訂第
二十五條之二、第三十條、增訂第三十五條之一、第四十四條及第四十七條，如附件一
。 |
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二、保留，送院會處理：第七條、第十條條文。 |
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三、審查會保留附帶決議第 1案，不予處理。 |
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四、審查會保留附帶決議第 2案，通過如附件二。 |
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五、新增附帶決議 2項，如附件三。 |
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六、其餘均照審查會審查結果通過。 |
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351
立法院公報 第 115卷 第 68期 黨團協商紀錄
七、檢附修正之立法說明如附件四。 |
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請問大家有沒有意見？沒有。散會。 |
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散會（15時 25 分）
352
立法院公報 第 115卷 第 68期 黨團協商紀錄 |
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