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| Start Time | End Time | Text |
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| 00:13:29,630 | 00:13:32,070 | 我們現在在協商會議開始 |
| 00:13:32,070 | 00:13:34,910 | 現在協商《菸害防治法》 |
| 00:13:34,910 | 00:13:37,990 | 介紹在場委員林淑芬委員 |
| 00:13:43,900 | 00:13:46,260 | 別人可能需要黃正希委員 |
| 00:13:48,090 | 00:13:49,530 | 蘇清璇委員 |
| 00:13:50,310 | 00:13:51,510 | 陳昌明委員 |
| 00:13:53,740 | 00:13:54,940 | 前道測證 |
| 00:13:57,440 | 00:14:00,560 | 現在介紹在場官員石崇良部長 |
| 00:14:02,850 | 00:14:05,530 | 國民健康署沈靜芬署長 |
| 00:14:07,089 | 00:14:08,410 | 法規會 |
| 00:14:08,410 | 00:14:12,410 | 陳姓陳參事 |
| 00:14:12,990 | 00:14:16,430 | 內政部警政署邱顯良副組長 |
| 00:14:17,640 | 00:14:21,800 | 毒品查緝中心政委郝副大隊長 |
| 00:14:22,710 | 00:14:24,310 | 財政部官務署 |
| 00:14:25,030 | 00:14:26,709 | 郭寬淵組長 |
| 00:14:28,080 | 00:14:29,160 | 郭庫舒 |
| 00:14:30,000 | 00:14:31,840 | 袁旭傑副組長 |
| 00:14:32,420 | 00:14:35,300 | 附罪署王俊龍專門委員 |
| 00:14:35,300 | 00:14:39,060 | 交通部公共運輸及監理司王基周 |
| 00:14:41,110 | 00:14:42,950 | 教育部綜合規劃師 |
| 00:14:44,100 | 00:14:45,900 | 財政部 |
| 00:14:46,960 | 00:14:56,600 | 張金淑副市長 |
| 00:14:56,600 | 00:14:59,960 | 學生事務及特殊教育師 |
| 00:15:02,200 | 00:15:05,480 | 鄭文耀專門委員 |
| 00:15:06,660 | 00:15:11,420 | 國民級學前教育署邱邱禪組長 |
| 00:15:12,040 | 00:15:14,120 | 法務部參事汪南君 |
| 00:15:15,150 | 00:15:17,110 | 經濟部商業發展署 |
| 00:15:17,110 | 00:15:18,910 | 莊文林副組長 |
| 00:15:19,560 | 00:15:23,880 | 金融監督管理委員會 |
| 00:15:23,880 | 00:15:27,280 | 銀行局劉婉儀專門委員 |
| 00:15:27,939 | 00:15:33,340 | 數位發展部法制處吳怡倫副組長 |
| 00:15:33,340 | 00:15:36,699 | 資源管理師鄭秀玲專委 |
| 00:15:36,699 | 00:15:38,939 | 數位產業署 |
| 00:15:44,070 | 00:15:46,670 | 數位產業署主任秘書 |
| 00:15:46,670 | 00:15:47,390 | 這個什麼 |
| 00:15:47,390 | 00:15:50,030 | 這是童明會 |
| 00:15:51,040 | 00:15:53,160 | 好好好童明會主密 |
| 00:15:53,770 | 00:15:56,970 | 海洋委員會海巡屬情報局 |
| 00:15:57,590 | 00:15:59,190 | 詹琪明副組長 |
| 00:16:03,380 | 00:16:08,620 | 大陸委員會法制處楊玉靜專門委員 |
| 00:16:08,620 | 00:16:12,900 | 國家通訊傳播委員會李佳麟檢認視察 |
| 00:16:12,900 | 00:16:18,620 | 環境部徐旭成紀監 |
| 00:16:22,420 | 00:16:24,140 | 今日保留條文既有十條 |
| 00:16:24,140 | 00:16:25,939 | 希望盡量協商通過 |
| 00:16:25,939 | 00:16:27,500 | 請各位委員綜合考量 |
| 00:16:27,500 | 00:16:29,220 | 為父母也隨時溝通 |
| 00:16:29,819 | 00:16:31,380 | 今天進行方式 |
| 00:16:31,380 | 00:16:33,620 | 是以請衛福部先說明 |
| 00:16:33,620 | 00:16:35,300 | 再請各位委員表示意見 |
| 00:16:35,300 | 00:16:36,100 | 最後會 |
| 00:16:36,800 | 00:16:40,000 | 中協商結論請各黨團簽名 |
| 00:16:41,890 | 00:16:43,930 | 現在進行第七條討論 |
| 00:16:43,930 | 00:16:46,530 | 先請衛福部說明 |
| 00:16:49,780 | 00:16:51,300 | 報告張偉跟委員 |
| 00:16:51,300 | 00:16:53,420 | 那第七條的部分 |
| 00:16:53,420 | 00:16:54,420 | 這邊主要是 |
| 00:16:54,940 | 00:16:57,180 | 在指定菸品的部分 |
| 00:16:57,180 | 00:16:59,140 | 需不需要經過健康風險評估 |
| 00:16:59,140 | 00:17:00,780 | 才可以公外銷 |
| 00:17:00,780 | 00:17:02,140 | 那這一條的部分 |
| 00:17:02,140 | 00:17:04,620 | 我們尊重委員會審查的意見 |
| 00:17:09,040 | 00:17:12,040 | 第七條委員有沒有意見 |
| 00:17:12,040 | 00:17:13,400 | 林淑芬委員 |
| 00:17:15,720 | 00:17:17,240 | 第七 第十都是他們的 |
| 00:17:22,020 | 00:17:24,099 | 好 我想在這裡再講一遍 |
| 00:17:24,099 | 00:17:25,460 | 本人表示反對 |
| 00:17:25,460 | 00:17:26,660 | 第一個就是說 |
| 00:17:26,660 | 00:17:29,620 | 我們整個菸害防治法 |
| 00:17:29,620 | 00:17:32,940 | 包括整個全世界的衛生組織 |
| 00:17:32,940 | 00:17:35,260 | 包括台灣的國家政策 |
| 00:17:35,260 | 00:17:37,900 | 我們都希望這個菸潮產業 |
| 00:17:37,900 | 00:17:40,140 | 整個市場是要縮小的 |
| 00:17:40,140 | 00:17:42,260 | 這個是我們努力的目標 |
| 00:17:42,260 | 00:17:44,420 | 雖然是一個理想狀況 |
| 00:17:44,420 | 00:17:46,220 | 但是我們沒有理由支持 |
| 00:17:46,220 | 00:17:48,700 | 讓菸潮產業擴大 |
| 00:17:48,700 | 00:17:50,220 | 第一個 第二個 |
| 00:17:50,460 | 00:17:52,180 | 我們國內 我也再講一遍 |
| 00:17:52,180 | 00:17:53,740 | 我們沒有所謂的菸農 |
| 00:17:53,740 | 00:17:56,220 | 菸潮的農業 |
| 00:17:56,220 | 00:17:58,300 | 也沒有這個 |
| 00:17:58,300 | 00:18:00,020 | 多大的就業機會的問題 |
| 00:18:00,020 | 00:18:01,740 | 所以沒有產業上的衝擊 |
| 00:18:01,740 | 00:18:04,220 | 沒有農業也沒有勞工就業機會 |
| 00:18:04,220 | 00:18:06,940 | 這個就業機會上的衝擊 |
| 00:18:06,940 | 00:18:08,660 | 所以我們對這個 |
| 00:18:08,660 | 00:18:11,260 | 絲毫一點包袱都沒有 |
| 00:18:11,260 | 00:18:12,940 | 那再加上第一個目標來講 |
| 00:18:12,940 | 00:18:15,020 | 所以我們沒有理由支持開放 |
| 00:18:15,020 | 00:18:16,940 | 第三個 這是最核心的 |
| 00:18:16,940 | 00:18:19,540 | 就是說雖然出口跟國內 |
| 00:18:19,540 | 00:18:21,860 | 國內使用是分流規劃 |
| 00:18:21,860 | 00:18:25,860 | 但是輸出會不會流到國內市場 |
| 00:18:25,860 | 00:18:28,540 | 這個會徒增風險 |
| 00:18:28,540 | 00:18:29,620 | 徒增風險 |
| 00:18:29,620 | 00:18:31,860 | 本來是百分之一百零風險 |
| 00:18:31,860 | 00:18:33,540 | 我們為什麼要開放 |
| 00:18:33,540 | 00:18:36,020 | 然後再增加回流的風險 |
| 00:18:36,020 | 00:18:37,620 | 一點道理都沒有 |
| 00:18:37,620 | 00:18:38,899 | 最後我要講 |
| 00:18:38,899 | 00:18:41,540 | 就是說基本上讓產業萎縮 |
| 00:18:41,540 | 00:18:43,260 | 然後把它管制得越嚴格 |
| 00:18:43,260 | 00:18:46,340 | 然後基本要通過健康風險的 |
| 00:18:46,340 | 00:18:47,580 | 評估案審查 |
| 00:18:47,580 | 00:18:48,420 | 這個是基本 |
| 00:18:48,460 | 00:18:51,660 | 你如果有在通過健康風險的評估案審查 |
| 00:18:51,660 | 00:18:52,980 | 我也沒有話說 |
| 00:18:52,980 | 00:18:54,900 | 就目前的遊戲規則 |
| 00:18:54,900 | 00:18:57,620 | 但是你不要改掉遊戲規則 |
| 00:18:57,620 | 00:18:59,780 | 然後要開放分流 |
| 00:18:59,780 | 00:19:01,820 | 分流還是會回流 |
| 00:19:01,820 | 00:19:04,020 | 所以在這裡本人堅決的主張 |
| 00:19:04,020 | 00:19:07,220 | 第七條跟第十條都不予修正 |
| 00:19:07,220 | 00:19:07,700 | 謝謝 |
| 00:19:08,850 | 00:19:10,610 | 好 等一下麻煩現場 |
| 00:19:10,610 | 00:19:11,610 | 委員在講話的時候 |
| 00:19:11,610 | 00:19:13,129 | 可能音量要降 |
| 00:19:13,129 | 00:19:15,770 | 剛剛林淑雯委員在講的時候 |
| 00:19:15,770 | 00:19:17,169 | 可能很多人未必聽到 |
| 00:19:17,750 | 00:19:19,790 | 接下來有誰要發言 |
| 00:19:19,790 | 00:19:20,150 | 委員 |
| 00:19:21,280 | 00:19:22,680 | 陳昌明委員 |
| 00:19:24,240 | 00:19:29,760 | 首先我跟林委員的意見觀點是不同的 |
| 00:19:30,400 | 00:19:35,240 | 那目前第七條的修正案是關於家委員 |
| 00:19:35,900 | 00:19:39,340 | 我請每一個委員在場觀點了解 |
| 00:19:41,500 | 00:19:43,220 | 在這個家委員 |
| 00:19:43,220 | 00:19:46,980 | 家熱院裡面 |
| 00:19:46,980 | 00:19:51,380 | 全世界只有美國跟台灣 |
| 00:19:51,380 | 00:19:54,380 | 有健康風險的評估 |
| 00:19:54,380 | 00:19:57,780 | 包括日本在國內銷售的時候 |
| 00:19:57,780 | 00:20:00,780 | 也沒有健康風險的評估 |
| 00:20:00,780 | 00:20:04,140 | 因為這個家熱院裡面是更從 |
| 00:20:04,140 | 00:20:07,500 | 我們一般院裡面再發展出來的 |
| 00:20:07,500 | 00:20:08,700 | 那在這裡面 |
| 00:20:08,740 | 00:20:12,140 | 我是指張要給我們台灣的煙場 |
| 00:20:12,140 | 00:20:15,660 | 一個國際競爭的聚會 |
| 00:20:15,660 | 00:20:20,220 | 你只要符合日國的規範就可以了 |
| 00:20:20,220 | 00:20:21,860 | 沒有那麼清高 |
| 00:20:21,860 | 00:20:23,740 | 世界都在競爭 |
| 00:20:23,740 | 00:20:28,700 | 這是第七條我所堅持的觀點 |
| 00:20:28,700 | 00:20:30,700 | 應該要給產業有聚會 |
| 00:20:30,700 | 00:20:34,060 | 至於有沒有台灣有沒有生產煙草 |
| 00:20:34,060 | 00:20:36,180 | 日本也沒有生產煙草 |
| 00:20:36,180 | 00:20:38,380 | 美國也沒有生產煙草 |
| 00:20:38,420 | 00:20:40,420 | 幾乎都在國外生產 |
| 00:20:40,420 | 00:20:43,980 | 在落後的地方生產跟去後有關係 |
| 00:20:43,980 | 00:20:46,860 | 至於就業的聚會 |
| 00:20:46,860 | 00:20:48,860 | 包括這些煙場加起來 |
| 00:20:48,860 | 00:20:50,980 | 大概有超過兩千萬 |
| 00:20:50,980 | 00:20:53,500 | 不,兩千人的就業聚會 |
| 00:20:53,500 | 00:20:55,300 | 也未嘗不可 |
| 00:20:55,300 | 00:20:59,180 | 那我們很多的方面都是從煙方面來 |
| 00:20:59,180 | 00:21:01,580 | 保障國人的一個安全 |
| 00:21:01,580 | 00:21:03,460 | 有時候說大家講不好 |
| 00:21:03,460 | 00:21:05,260 | 我會覺得不怎麼好 |
| 00:21:05,260 | 00:21:08,220 | 但是有人勇於犧牲自己 |
| 00:21:08,260 | 00:21:10,260 | 來照顧其他的人 |
| 00:21:10,260 | 00:21:11,260 | 也是一種方式 |
| 00:21:11,260 | 00:21:15,260 | 不然這種世界上沒有人像台灣的 |
| 00:21:15,260 | 00:21:16,940 | 限制的那麼嚴格 |
| 00:21:16,940 | 00:21:18,780 | 這是我個人的觀點 |
| 00:21:18,780 | 00:21:22,100 | 我也希望我們衛福部 |
| 00:21:22,100 | 00:21:26,140 | 能從經濟產業發展的腳步 |
| 00:21:26,140 | 00:21:28,260 | 來支持這個法案 |
| 00:21:28,260 | 00:21:32,100 | 讓產業有一個生存的聚會 |
| 00:21:32,100 | 00:21:32,580 | 謝謝 |
| 00:21:36,350 | 00:21:41,750 | 先請衛福部回應兩位委員不同的意見 |
| 00:21:52,180 | 00:21:53,060 | 蘇清宣緯 |
| 00:21:55,379 | 00:21:57,459 | 我上次也有提到 |
| 00:21:57,459 | 00:21:59,540 | 就我們台灣的 |
| 00:22:00,820 | 00:22:02,659 | 燃料藥跟藥品 |
| 00:22:03,860 | 00:22:07,820 | 事實上有很多是台灣沒有在使用的 |
| 00:22:08,960 | 00:22:10,640 | 要有的銷到美國 |
| 00:22:10,640 | 00:22:11,960 | 銷到其他國家 |
| 00:22:11,960 | 00:22:15,360 | 都要照原始國家他的要求 |
| 00:22:15,940 | 00:22:18,660 | 基本上我們衛福部是不會去管理 |
| 00:22:18,660 | 00:22:22,300 | 這也是樂觀其成 |
| 00:22:22,300 | 00:22:24,940 | 那吃粉是壞事 |
| 00:22:24,940 | 00:22:29,540 | 臨床醫師看抽菸是不好的 |
| 00:22:29,540 | 00:22:31,020 | 大家都不要抽菸 |
| 00:22:31,020 | 00:22:32,860 | 但是這幾千年來 |
| 00:22:32,860 | 00:22:34,340 | 好像也沒辦法消滅掉 |
| 00:22:34,340 | 00:22:37,180 | 既然這是一個商業行為 |
| 00:22:38,230 | 00:22:40,990 | 他們要求能夠煙草出口 |
| 00:22:40,990 | 00:22:42,470 | 或者是紙煙出口 |
| 00:22:42,470 | 00:22:43,430 | 或怎麼樣 |
| 00:22:43,430 | 00:22:45,630 | 只要能符合那個原始 |
| 00:22:45,630 | 00:22:47,630 | 他的要輸出國 |
| 00:22:47,630 | 00:22:49,070 | 他的嚴格的規定 |
| 00:22:49,070 | 00:22:50,230 | 這樣就可以了 |
| 00:22:50,230 | 00:22:51,270 | 這是第一 |
| 00:22:51,270 | 00:22:55,030 | 第二你怕出口又被廢了回來 |
| 00:22:55,030 | 00:22:56,230 | 那是另外一個事情 |
| 00:22:56,230 | 00:22:57,430 | 另外一個議題 |
| 00:22:57,430 | 00:22:59,990 | 那就是變成你又被廢了回來 |
| 00:22:59,990 | 00:23:01,470 | 這管理問題 |
| 00:23:01,470 | 00:23:02,750 | 那是財政部 |
| 00:23:02,750 | 00:23:03,710 | 那是衛福部 |
| 00:23:03,710 | 00:23:05,910 | 你的管理 邊境管理等等 |
| 00:23:05,910 | 00:23:07,630 | 你不能說怕他 |
| 00:23:07,670 | 00:23:09,470 | 將來會回流到臺灣 |
| 00:23:09,470 | 00:23:11,910 | 那這個講話有點邏輯 |
| 00:23:11,910 | 00:23:13,110 | 比較不通 |
| 00:23:13,110 | 00:23:15,270 | 所以這兩條 |
| 00:23:15,270 | 00:23:16,910 | 第七條 第十條 |
| 00:23:16,910 | 00:23:18,710 | 如果說業者 |
| 00:23:18,710 | 00:23:20,790 | 有一個需求生存 |
| 00:23:20,790 | 00:23:24,270 | 然後他別的國家也很嚴格的要求 |
| 00:23:24,270 | 00:23:26,910 | 我們在主管單位應該也是 |
| 00:23:29,370 | 00:23:31,129 | 應該也不會可以禁止 |
| 00:23:31,129 | 00:23:33,129 | 所以我們還是希望能夠 |
| 00:23:34,040 | 00:23:35,200 | 讓他們能夠出口 |
| 00:23:35,200 | 00:23:35,600 | 以上 |
| 00:23:40,139 | 00:23:41,379 | 邱政軍委員 |
| 00:23:41,379 | 00:23:42,620 | 好 謝謝主席 |
| 00:23:42,620 | 00:23:46,580 | 我也是支持我們陳昌明委員的這個看法 |
| 00:23:46,580 | 00:23:49,020 | 因為他現在 |
| 00:23:49,020 | 00:23:51,379 | 我覺得我們的產業 |
| 00:23:51,379 | 00:23:53,820 | 他本身就有這個 |
| 00:23:53,820 | 00:23:55,820 | 造就了很多的工作機會 |
| 00:23:55,820 | 00:23:57,620 | 那也養活了很多家庭 |
| 00:23:57,620 | 00:23:59,940 | 那今天的爭點就是說 |
| 00:23:59,940 | 00:24:01,020 | 我們不在國內 |
| 00:24:01,020 | 00:24:02,659 | 國內在販賣的時候 |
| 00:24:02,659 | 00:24:05,100 | 他只是出口 |
| 00:24:05,100 | 00:24:07,220 | 那就可以造就我們 |
| 00:24:07,220 | 00:24:09,540 | 這個國人的一些工作機會 |
| 00:24:09,540 | 00:24:11,460 | 我想這是非常好的一點 |
| 00:24:11,460 | 00:24:13,180 | 那另外剛剛也有講到就是說 |
| 00:24:13,180 | 00:24:17,060 | 他如果走勢進來再回流的話 |
| 00:24:17,060 | 00:24:19,020 | 這本來海關在 |
| 00:24:19,020 | 00:24:21,659 | 這個部分本來就已經在做的事情 |
| 00:24:21,659 | 00:24:23,580 | 已經在做防堵的事情 |
| 00:24:23,580 | 00:24:24,980 | 那我覺得我們應該相信 |
| 00:24:24,980 | 00:24:26,379 | 我們自己的海關 |
| 00:24:26,379 | 00:24:28,860 | 他能夠有能力去阻止這個事情 |
| 00:24:28,860 | 00:24:30,060 | 因為他不可能說 |
| 00:24:30,060 | 00:24:32,860 | 因為有出口這個菸 |
| 00:24:32,860 | 00:24:35,460 | 所以我們就 |
| 00:24:35,460 | 00:24:37,100 | 對海關這邊來就 |
| 00:24:37,100 | 00:24:39,300 | 不再做嚴格的審查 |
| 00:24:39,340 | 00:24:42,899 | 跟這個把關 |
| 00:24:42,899 | 00:24:44,419 | 所以我想這個部分 |
| 00:24:44,419 | 00:24:46,220 | 應該是不會發生的事情 |
| 00:24:46,220 | 00:24:48,060 | 這本來就應該要做的事情 |
| 00:24:48,060 | 00:24:50,940 | 不會造成我們基層公務人員的一個負擔 |
| 00:24:50,940 | 00:24:52,340 | 以上是我的看法 |
| 00:24:52,340 | 00:24:52,659 | 謝謝 |
| 00:24:52,659 | 00:24:53,740 | 好 林處分委員 |
| 00:24:55,920 | 00:24:57,160 | 抱歉 蘇委員 |
| 00:24:57,160 | 00:25:00,280 | 我沒有辦法接受你說我邏輯不通 |
| 00:25:00,280 | 00:25:02,680 | 因為你可能上回 |
| 00:25:02,680 | 00:25:04,800 | 你這樣的觀點 |
| 00:25:04,800 | 00:25:06,840 | 我回答的時候你已經離開了 |
| 00:25:06,840 | 00:25:08,520 | 所以你沒有聽我講過 |
| 00:25:08,520 | 00:25:09,920 | 我再講一遍 |
| 00:25:09,920 | 00:25:11,640 | 你講的原尿藥 |
| 00:25:11,640 | 00:25:12,960 | 在國內沒有許可 |
| 00:25:12,960 | 00:25:15,600 | 但是還可以製造輸出 |
| 00:25:15,600 | 00:25:17,160 | 藥是救命的 |
| 00:25:17,160 | 00:25:20,400 | 煙草是殺人命的 |
| 00:25:20,400 | 00:25:25,440 | 煙草是被IARC列為第一級的致癌物 |
| 00:25:25,440 | 00:25:27,040 | 煙草吸煙 |
| 00:25:27,040 | 00:25:29,680 | 是第一級的致癌物 |
| 00:25:29,680 | 00:25:32,680 | 煙草是害命的 |
| 00:25:32,680 | 00:25:33,920 | 藥是救命的 |
| 00:25:33,920 | 00:25:36,400 | 你不能兩個拿起來類比 |
| 00:25:36,400 | 00:25:37,320 | 第一個 |
| 00:25:37,320 | 00:25:38,360 | 第二個 |
| 00:25:38,360 | 00:25:40,280 | 不要言必稱產業 |
| 00:25:40,280 | 00:25:42,080 | 言必稱就業機會 |
| 00:25:42,080 | 00:25:44,920 | 台灣根本目前就沒有這麼大的產業 |
| 00:25:44,920 | 00:25:46,760 | 也沒有這一種就業需求 |
| 00:25:46,760 | 00:25:50,200 | 而我們沒有必要壯大這一種產業 |
| 00:25:50,200 | 00:25:51,480 | 第三個 |
| 00:25:51,480 | 00:25:52,960 | 你們講說 |
| 00:25:53,000 | 00:25:55,280 | 等一下走私回流 |
| 00:25:55,280 | 00:25:56,880 | 我們這是要外銷的 |
| 00:25:56,880 | 00:25:58,080 | 那回流的話 |
| 00:25:58,080 | 00:26:01,200 | 管理面是管理面執行法律的人 |
| 00:26:01,200 | 00:26:02,320 | 要去管理的 |
| 00:26:02,320 | 00:26:03,520 | 這個邏輯不通 |
| 00:26:03,520 | 00:26:04,480 | 你說我邏輯不通 |
| 00:26:04,480 | 00:26:06,120 | 我才覺得我認為你們不通 |
| 00:26:06,120 | 00:26:07,760 | 你上游開放了 |
| 00:26:07,760 | 00:26:09,840 | 再叫下游海關去抓 |
| 00:26:09,840 | 00:26:12,240 | 再叫下游警察去抓 |
| 00:26:12,240 | 00:26:14,480 | 他們你一直上游不斷的開放 |
| 00:26:14,480 | 00:26:15,520 | 然後在下面抓 |
| 00:26:15,520 | 00:26:16,840 | 永遠都抓不完 |
| 00:26:17,560 | 00:26:20,040 | 那為什麼直接不把門關起來就好了 |
| 00:26:20,040 | 00:26:21,879 | 通通都不用抓呢 |
| 00:26:23,520 | 00:26:25,600 | 而且我們的終極目標 |
| 00:26:25,600 | 00:26:27,360 | 就是要消滅這個產業 |
| 00:26:27,360 | 00:26:29,960 | 你們為什麼言必稱發展產業呢 |
| 00:26:30,730 | 00:26:36,170 | 我們怎麼會是發展香菸煙草產業呢 |
| 00:26:36,170 | 00:26:38,770 | 我們是要以讓它產業為縮 |
| 00:26:38,770 | 00:26:41,170 | 消滅這個產業為目標 |
| 00:26:41,170 | 00:26:43,970 | 結果你們都言必稱產業發展 |
| 00:26:43,970 | 00:26:45,450 | 我就聽不下去了 |
| 00:26:45,450 | 00:26:46,770 | 所以我覺得這個東西 |
| 00:26:46,770 | 00:26:48,530 | 我覺得再多講 |
| 00:26:48,530 | 00:26:49,930 | 講一遍兩遍三遍 |
| 00:26:49,930 | 00:26:51,410 | 他也是都講一樣 |
| 00:26:51,410 | 00:26:52,690 | 我也是一樣 |
| 00:26:52,690 | 00:26:54,010 | 所以這一條主席 |
| 00:26:54,010 | 00:26:56,450 | 我認為是沒有辦法達成共識了 |
| 00:26:57,620 | 00:27:00,139 | 我相信觀點取義很大 |
| 00:27:00,139 | 00:27:02,060 | 沒有辦法達成共識 |
| 00:27:02,700 | 00:27:05,220 | 但是也請林委員曉答 |
| 00:27:05,220 | 00:27:09,420 | 所有煙草都是最先進國家當老闆的 |
| 00:27:09,420 | 00:27:10,780 | 我只是提醒 |
| 00:27:10,780 | 00:27:13,380 | 所以這個世界就長成這樣 |
| 00:27:13,380 | 00:27:14,420 | 別人能做 |
| 00:27:14,420 | 00:27:15,460 | 台灣不能做 |
| 00:27:15,460 | 00:27:17,060 | 我覺得不合理 |
| 00:27:17,060 | 00:27:18,140 | 那取義很大 |
| 00:27:18,140 | 00:27:20,380 | 我是建議主席 |
| 00:27:20,380 | 00:27:22,060 | 我們送到燕尾學校 |
| 00:27:23,340 | 00:27:25,659 | 講到久也是整個觀點而已 |
| 00:27:26,730 | 00:27:29,370 | 為什麼那個先進國家 |
| 00:27:29,370 | 00:27:31,090 | 比我們日本還先進 |
| 00:27:31,090 | 00:27:33,130 | 比我們台灣還先進的國家 |
| 00:27:33,130 | 00:27:36,370 | 譬如說美國 日本 歐洲 |
| 00:27:36,370 | 00:27:37,330 | 你去看 |
| 00:27:37,330 | 00:27:40,290 | 那些煙草的老闆都是這幾個國家 |
| 00:27:40,870 | 00:27:43,270 | 我只是說觀點取義一樣 |
| 00:27:43,270 | 00:27:44,949 | 今天怎麼討論 |
| 00:27:44,949 | 00:27:47,310 | 一定討論不完的 |
| 00:27:47,310 | 00:27:50,830 | 那我想建議主席送到燕尾學校 |
| 00:27:54,290 | 00:27:56,970 | 陳昭明委員建議保留 |
| 00:27:56,970 | 00:28:00,490 | 那就第七 第十條都一併保留 |
| 00:28:00,490 | 00:28:02,050 | 那其他委員有沒有意見 |
| 00:28:02,050 | 00:28:06,170 | 沒有的話我們就直接第七條跟第十條 |
| 00:28:06,170 | 00:28:07,450 | 我們就保留 |
| 00:28:12,760 | 00:28:14,800 | 那接下來第十五條之一 |
| 00:28:15,920 | 00:28:16,520 | 第十 欸 |
| 00:28:17,490 | 00:28:20,370 | 第七條跟第十條 |
| 00:28:23,730 | 00:28:25,050 | 第九條已經通過了 |
| 00:28:26,250 | 00:28:27,490 | 第九上次已經 |
| 00:28:29,850 | 00:28:31,450 | 上次第九條已經修正通過了 |
| 00:28:31,450 | 00:28:32,649 | 第九條報告主席 |
| 00:28:32,649 | 00:28:33,169 | 我剛剛 |
| 00:28:35,140 | 00:28:37,020 | 我剛剛有跟那個 |
| 00:28:38,320 | 00:28:39,920 | 王志希修正動議 |
| 00:28:39,920 | 00:28:41,720 | 他的提案我跟他溝通 |
| 00:28:41,720 | 00:28:44,040 | 現在我們台灣現在的 |
| 00:28:44,040 | 00:28:46,160 | 這是一包加熱菸在這裡 |
| 00:28:46,160 | 00:28:48,160 | 大家可能沒抽菸都不知道 |
| 00:28:48,160 | 00:28:50,280 | 我們台灣現在就長成這個樣子 |
| 00:28:50,280 | 00:28:52,520 | 就是50% |
| 00:28:52,520 | 00:28:54,200 | 50%的土黨 |
| 00:28:54,930 | 00:28:55,810 | 那現在 |
| 00:28:56,770 | 00:28:59,170 | 直接給他弄到85% |
| 00:29:01,490 | 00:29:03,570 | 我現在跟大家報告 |
| 00:29:03,570 | 00:29:04,090 | 這個 |
| 00:29:04,090 | 00:29:07,370 | 我們台灣正考的分都是世界大國 |
| 00:29:07,370 | 00:29:10,570 | 瑞士 美國 日本的演唱會 |
| 00:29:10,570 | 00:29:12,090 | 所以一直在說 |
| 00:29:12,810 | 00:29:14,250 | 分都忙做 |
| 00:29:14,250 | 00:29:15,930 | 結果外國做比我們多 |
| 00:29:15,930 | 00:29:17,530 | 外國比我們強勢 |
| 00:29:17,530 | 00:29:20,530 | 連美僑商會什麼都在關心 |
| 00:29:21,439 | 00:29:23,399 | 我剛剛跟那個 |
| 00:29:23,399 | 00:29:24,439 | 王志希委員說 |
| 00:29:24,439 | 00:29:26,000 | 他說50%的警議 |
| 00:29:26,000 | 00:29:27,199 | 他是沒有辦法接受 |
| 00:29:27,199 | 00:29:30,360 | 那如果用到85%等於整個 |
| 00:29:30,970 | 00:29:34,130 | 農中是土黨 |
| 00:29:34,130 | 00:29:35,050 | 那澳洲就 |
| 00:29:35,050 | 00:29:36,490 | 澳洲有DATA |
| 00:29:36,490 | 00:29:37,850 | 就是他們的菸 |
| 00:29:38,830 | 00:29:41,190 | 因為他們用到80% |
| 00:29:41,190 | 00:29:44,750 | 結果他們的菸大部分都是走私菸 |
| 00:29:44,750 | 00:29:47,470 | 10包有8包 7包都是走私菸 |
| 00:29:47,470 | 00:29:48,950 | 所以他們很嚴重 |
| 00:29:48,950 | 00:29:50,670 | 所以我的建議 |
| 00:29:50,670 | 00:29:51,790 | 接收改了 |
| 00:29:51,790 | 00:29:53,550 | 我們的王志希也有同意 |
| 00:29:53,550 | 00:29:56,389 | 我們要拿到60% |
| 00:29:56,389 | 00:29:59,030 | 他一定用85% |
| 00:29:59,940 | 00:30:00,580 | 第九條 |
| 00:30:00,580 | 00:30:01,820 | 好 我的建議是這樣 |
| 00:30:01,820 | 00:30:03,100 | 沒有 我們都不大贏 |
| 00:30:03,100 | 00:30:03,900 | 這條通過了 |
| 00:30:03,900 | 00:30:05,580 | 可是這已經通過了 |
| 00:30:05,580 | 00:30:06,500 | 可能 |
| 00:30:06,500 | 00:30:07,380 | 哪有人通過 |
| 00:30:07,380 | 00:30:08,580 | 然後沒有再 |
| 00:30:08,580 | 00:30:09,020 | 其他 |
| 00:30:09,020 | 00:30:10,140 | 我們也反對 |
| 00:30:10,140 | 00:30:11,380 | 我們也同意 |
| 00:30:11,380 | 00:30:12,020 | 再修正 |
| 00:30:12,020 | 00:30:12,900 | 這樣而已 |
| 00:30:12,900 | 00:30:13,740 | 我們要再修正 |
| 00:30:13,740 | 00:30:14,780 | 我們就再修正 |
| 00:30:15,980 | 00:30:18,220 | 沒有啦 這今次程序就不符合 |
| 00:30:19,020 | 00:30:20,860 | 上次學商就通過了 |
| 00:30:23,169 | 00:30:25,129 | 上次學商還是委員會 |
| 00:30:25,129 | 00:30:26,649 | 省差 |
| 00:30:28,000 | 00:30:29,320 | 上次通過委員 |
| 00:30:29,320 | 00:30:30,160 | 他們今天不在場 |
| 00:30:30,160 | 00:30:31,320 | 我們也不能去否定掉 |
| 00:30:31,320 | 00:30:34,000 | 人家上次通過的委員的意見 |
| 00:30:34,000 | 00:30:35,320 | 而且上次已經通過了 |
| 00:30:36,150 | 00:30:37,150 | 你又要再重新 |
| 00:30:37,150 | 00:30:38,670 | 等於每一條都要 |
| 00:30:38,670 | 00:30:40,550 | 都要再重新來過 |
| 00:30:40,550 | 00:30:42,230 | 那林處分委員 |
| 00:30:42,230 | 00:30:43,830 | 我覺得今天很遺憾 |
| 00:30:43,830 | 00:30:46,390 | 聽到這個要倒退爐的修正 |
| 00:30:46,390 | 00:30:47,470 | 因為老實說 |
| 00:30:47,470 | 00:30:49,750 | 現在加熱煙販賣的一種形象 |
| 00:30:49,750 | 00:30:52,670 | 就是優雅 漂亮 |
| 00:30:52,670 | 00:30:54,110 | 它看起來不低級 |
| 00:30:54,110 | 00:30:55,670 | 抽煙好像很優雅 |
| 00:30:55,670 | 00:30:57,150 | 可是大家都知道 |
| 00:30:57,150 | 00:31:00,710 | 這個是包裝行銷的手法 |
| 00:31:00,710 | 00:31:03,670 | 而且是殘害健康很嚴重 |
| 00:31:03,670 | 00:31:06,070 | 而且這樣的假優雅 |
| 00:31:06,070 | 00:31:09,189 | 會讓青少年就開始想要抽 |
| 00:31:09,189 | 00:31:11,429 | 所以讓整個煙的包裝 |
| 00:31:11,429 | 00:31:12,870 | 85%都這樣 |
| 00:31:12,870 | 00:31:14,950 | 讓他們看得清清楚楚的 |
| 00:31:14,950 | 00:31:16,669 | 這個警示的圖示 |
| 00:31:16,669 | 00:31:18,550 | 你會得到這個肺癌 |
| 00:31:18,550 | 00:31:21,470 | 你會這個器官爛成這個樣子 |
| 00:31:21,470 | 00:31:23,389 | 這個你看了就噁心 |
| 00:31:23,389 | 00:31:25,110 | 然後你噁心就不想抽 |
| 00:31:25,110 | 00:31:26,189 | 不想買 |
| 00:31:26,189 | 00:31:27,669 | 這樣子很好啊 |
| 00:31:27,669 | 00:31:29,470 | 這樣子很好啊 |
| 00:31:29,470 | 00:31:32,830 | 為什麼要把85%再下調到60% |
| 00:31:32,830 | 00:31:35,189 | 這個只有符合煙商的利益 |
| 00:31:35,760 | 00:31:37,920 | 為什麼要這樣子呢 |
| 00:31:37,920 | 00:31:39,240 | 我們都已經往前 |
| 00:31:39,240 | 00:31:41,160 | 大家朝野在這裡 |
| 00:31:41,160 | 00:31:44,240 | 審查的時候有共識藍綠白 |
| 00:31:44,240 | 00:31:46,000 | 都有共識85% |
| 00:31:46,000 | 00:31:47,160 | 結果就你們這幾個來 |
| 00:31:47,160 | 00:31:50,240 | 要把藍綠白的共識再翻案 |
| 00:31:50,240 | 00:31:53,200 | 而且是符合煙商的這個講法 |
| 00:31:53,200 | 00:31:55,040 | 我覺得我們不能接受了 |
| 00:31:55,600 | 00:31:58,679 | 不知道為什麼要這樣子的退路 |
| 00:31:58,679 | 00:31:59,720 | 沒有道理 |
| 00:31:59,720 | 00:32:02,399 | 我們絕對不允許那種假優雅 |
| 00:32:02,399 | 00:32:04,280 | 吸引我們的孩子 |
| 00:32:04,280 | 00:32:06,800 | 強愛我們青少年的健康 |
| 00:32:06,800 | 00:32:08,520 | 從年輕吸到老 |
| 00:32:09,600 | 00:32:10,280 | 對不對 |
| 00:32:10,950 | 00:32:11,870 | 我們反對 |
| 00:32:12,830 | 00:32:15,590 | 這條維持委員會審查結果 |
| 00:32:15,590 | 00:32:17,709 | 依照委員會程序 |
| 00:32:17,709 | 00:32:18,310 | 謝謝 |
| 00:32:19,340 | 00:32:22,380 | 所以王委員不可以隨便答應人家 |
| 00:32:22,380 | 00:32:25,380 | 來我們第15條之一 |
| 00:32:30,460 | 00:32:32,140 | 第15條之一是 |
| 00:32:33,110 | 00:32:36,830 | 網際網路業者的這個管理的部分 |
| 00:32:36,830 | 00:32:41,070 | 那這個部分其實就遵照委員討論的意見 |
| 00:32:41,070 | 00:32:45,070 | 把善良管理人的部分改為管理義務 |
| 00:32:45,070 | 00:32:48,350 | 那另外也在第四項跟第七項 |
| 00:32:48,350 | 00:32:50,909 | 增加了委員建議的一些文字 |
| 00:32:50,909 | 00:32:53,590 | 然後並且在立法說明的部分 |
| 00:32:53,590 | 00:32:56,909 | 去增加網際網路業者的一些樣態 |
| 00:32:56,909 | 00:32:58,389 | 的一些說明 |
| 00:32:58,389 | 00:33:01,510 | 所以這部分就是已經 |
| 00:33:01,510 | 00:33:04,230 | 主管機關已經有按照這個部分做調整了 |
| 00:33:06,570 | 00:33:08,929 | 委員有沒有意見 |
| 00:33:09,580 | 00:33:12,620 | 因為徵詢委員之前是有對於個資 |
| 00:33:12,620 | 00:33:15,659 | 然後他變成是用戶註冊資料 |
| 00:33:20,410 | 00:33:20,730 | 唷 |
| 00:33:22,220 | 00:33:23,260 | 是 我沒有意見 |
| 00:33:23,260 | 00:33:24,660 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:33:24,660 | 00:33:28,260 | 那的確個人資料相較之下 |
| 00:33:28,260 | 00:33:30,500 | 範圍會非常非常的大 |
| 00:33:30,500 | 00:33:33,220 | 所以如果用這樣的部分的話 |
| 00:33:33,220 | 00:33:37,180 | 理論上應該是會同樣有達到他的需求 |
| 00:33:37,180 | 00:33:39,540 | 可是又不至於讓這個個人的資料 |
| 00:33:39,540 | 00:33:42,820 | 無限制的去透過這個方式去處理 |
| 00:33:42,820 | 00:33:43,220 | 以上 |
| 00:33:48,730 | 00:33:51,090 | 那是不是請我們的行政單位 |
| 00:33:51,090 | 00:33:53,490 | 把剛才這所有文字再唸一遍 |
| 00:33:53,490 | 00:33:54,490 | 讓大家確認 |
| 00:33:57,430 | 00:33:58,750 | 第15條 |
| 00:34:01,110 | 00:34:03,629 | 報告召委我是不是宣讀有修改過的文字 |
| 00:34:03,629 | 00:34:05,550 | 還是整條都唸 |
| 00:34:05,550 | 00:34:08,710 | 那我宣讀有修改過的文字是 |
| 00:34:08,710 | 00:34:12,750 | 第15條之一是在網際網路資料 |
| 00:34:12,750 | 00:34:16,909 | 有第12條或前條第一項鎖定違法情勢 |
| 00:34:16,909 | 00:34:19,589 | 以下簡稱違法資訊之餘 |
| 00:34:19,589 | 00:34:23,310 | 應盡管理義務實施管理作為 |
| 00:34:23,310 | 00:34:25,150 | 那另外在第4項的部分 |
| 00:34:25,150 | 00:34:28,750 | 網際網路業者第一項管理作為 |
| 00:34:28,790 | 00:34:32,870 | 遁號第二項風險管控機制之適用對象 |
| 00:34:32,870 | 00:34:34,670 | 遁號必要措施 |
| 00:34:34,670 | 00:34:36,469 | 遁號防範機制 |
| 00:34:36,469 | 00:34:39,790 | 及其他應遵行事項之辦法 |
| 00:34:39,790 | 00:34:41,989 | 動號由中央主管定制 |
| 00:34:42,830 | 00:34:45,350 | 另外是在第6項 |
| 00:34:46,100 | 00:34:49,739 | 網際網路業者就其業務上或系統中 |
| 00:34:49,739 | 00:34:52,420 | 存留之前項違法資訊 |
| 00:34:52,420 | 00:34:54,020 | 遁號網頁資訊 |
| 00:34:54,020 | 00:34:57,580 | 遁號行為人之用戶註冊資料 |
| 00:34:57,580 | 00:35:00,540 | 及網路使用紀錄資料 |
| 00:35:00,540 | 00:35:05,700 | 因此收受前項主管機關通知之日起 |
| 00:35:05,700 | 00:35:07,779 | 保存180日 |
| 00:35:10,759 | 00:35:12,600 | 那第7項主管機關 |
| 00:35:12,600 | 00:35:18,000 | 應調查違法違反第12條或第15條 |
| 00:35:18,000 | 00:35:21,399 | 第一項規定之行為所必要 |
| 00:35:21,399 | 00:35:24,399 | 得序名調查目的及範圍 |
| 00:35:24,399 | 00:35:26,879 | 通知網際網路業者 |
| 00:35:26,879 | 00:35:29,240 | 提供前項違法資訊 |
| 00:35:29,240 | 00:35:35,040 | 遁號網頁資料或行為人之用戶註冊資料 |
| 00:35:35,040 | 00:35:39,759 | 分號網際網路業者無正當理由不得拒絕 |
| 00:35:39,800 | 00:35:42,360 | 主管機關就所取得之資料 |
| 00:35:42,360 | 00:35:46,120 | 不得為調查目的外之利用 |
| 00:35:46,120 | 00:35:50,960 | 並應記錄其取得利用及銷毀情形 |
| 00:35:50,960 | 00:35:52,840 | 第8項有其項 |
| 00:35:52,840 | 00:35:55,920 | 有前項以外之事由而須 |
| 00:35:55,920 | 00:35:59,600 | 調取網路使用紀錄資料者 |
| 00:35:59,600 | 00:36:01,440 | 其調取及提供 |
| 00:36:01,440 | 00:36:04,680 | 因依通訊保障及監察法 |
| 00:36:04,680 | 00:36:09,120 | 遁號刑事訴訟法或其他法律規定辦理 |
| 00:36:12,620 | 00:36:13,540 | 朋友們意見 |
| 00:36:15,140 | 00:36:16,100 | 沒有的話 |
| 00:36:17,420 | 00:36:19,299 | 第15條之一 |
| 00:36:19,740 | 00:36:23,020 | 依行政院提案委員林瑞琴等三人所提 |
| 00:36:23,020 | 00:36:26,259 | 修正動議及委員王振旭等三人所提 |
| 00:36:26,259 | 00:36:28,700 | 修正動議修正通過 |
| 00:36:29,630 | 00:36:30,430 | 接下來 |
| 00:36:34,560 | 00:36:36,160 | 針對15條之二 |
| 00:36:36,980 | 00:36:39,940 | 第15條之二是針對網際網路 |
| 00:36:39,940 | 00:36:44,180 | 接取服務提供者的一個相關規範的法條 |
| 00:36:44,180 | 00:36:46,620 | 那這一條也遵照委員的提案 |
| 00:36:46,620 | 00:36:48,100 | 在第二 |
| 00:36:48,920 | 00:36:50,320 | 第三項的部分 |
| 00:36:50,320 | 00:36:53,640 | 就行為人的用戶註冊資料 |
| 00:36:53,640 | 00:36:56,040 | 還有後續相關通知 |
| 00:36:56,040 | 00:36:58,960 | 提供該違法資訊網頁資訊 |
| 00:36:58,960 | 00:37:01,760 | 或行為人之用戶註冊資料 |
| 00:37:01,760 | 00:37:04,040 | 在這裡的文字修正 |
| 00:37:04,040 | 00:37:06,560 | 然後也在立法說明的部分 |
| 00:37:06,560 | 00:37:09,600 | 增加對於這個網際網路 |
| 00:37:09,600 | 00:37:12,760 | 接取服務提供者的樣態的一個說明 |
| 00:37:13,660 | 00:37:14,819 | 王振旭委員 |
| 00:37:14,819 | 00:37:16,819 | 因為一樣也事實上是講個資 |
| 00:37:16,819 | 00:37:20,299 | 後來一樣就是按照你的修正程 |
| 00:37:20,299 | 00:37:22,620 | 用戶註冊資料 |
| 00:37:22,620 | 00:37:23,580 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:37:23,580 | 00:37:27,100 | 我想這個15條跟15之一的修正內涵 |
| 00:37:27,100 | 00:37:28,379 | 意見是一致的 |
| 00:37:28,379 | 00:37:31,060 | 所以如果同意的話就非常感謝 |
| 00:37:31,060 | 00:37:31,819 | 謝謝 |
| 00:37:31,819 | 00:37:33,500 | 那其他委員有沒有意見 |
| 00:37:34,710 | 00:37:35,750 | 沒有的話 |
| 00:37:35,750 | 00:37:38,550 | 第15條之二 |
| 00:37:38,550 | 00:37:42,430 | 一行政院提案及委員王振旭等三人所提 |
| 00:37:42,430 | 00:37:44,910 | 修正動議修正通過 |
| 00:37:44,910 | 00:37:45,910 | 接下來 |
| 00:37:47,740 | 00:37:48,779 | 25條之一 |
| 00:37:53,470 | 00:37:56,270 | 第25條之一是針對 |
| 00:37:56,270 | 00:38:00,110 | 製造輸入類煙品或其組合和原件 |
| 00:38:00,110 | 00:38:02,710 | 所訂的相關的一個法則 |
| 00:38:02,710 | 00:38:06,710 | 那這個部分我們也尊重委員的提案 |
| 00:38:06,710 | 00:38:12,110 | 針對第一行跟第二行的級別的部分 |
| 00:38:12,110 | 00:38:15,110 | 就是在查獲物品 |
| 00:38:15,110 | 00:38:17,470 | 物件數1000件以下 |
| 00:38:17,470 | 00:38:20,590 | 且總競重未遇10公斤者 |
| 00:38:20,630 | 00:38:25,350 | 從原本的100公斤修正為10公斤者 |
| 00:38:25,350 | 00:38:28,590 | 得處3年以下有期徒刑 |
| 00:38:28,590 | 00:38:29,870 | 那並且也在 |
| 00:38:32,670 | 00:38:33,870 | 10公斤 |
| 00:38:33,870 | 00:38:36,870 | 那在立法說明的部分 |
| 00:38:36,870 | 00:38:44,070 | 也說明相對應就是計算的一個方式 |
| 00:38:47,509 | 00:38:48,509 | 第25條之二 |
| 00:38:48,509 | 00:38:53,430 | 一行政院提案及委員王振旭等三人所提 |
| 00:38:53,430 | 00:38:54,430 | 修正通過 |
| 00:38:51,009 | 00:38:52,009 | 10公斤 |
| 00:38:52,009 | 00:38:53,009 | 10公斤 |
| 00:38:54,630 | 00:38:55,630 | 對啦 |
| 00:38:55,630 | 00:38:58,630 | 就是說其實因為你們現在的管理 |
| 00:38:58,630 | 00:39:02,630 | 就是把吸食的器具跟原料 |
| 00:39:02,630 | 00:39:04,630 | 煙油的原料都混在一起了 |
| 00:39:04,630 | 00:39:07,630 | 但這裡面是不是說如果是載具 |
| 00:39:07,630 | 00:39:10,630 | 那個吸食的器具就是1000件以下 |
| 00:39:10,630 | 00:39:14,630 | 但如果是那個煙油的原料的話就10公斤 |
| 00:39:14,630 | 00:39:15,630 | 對10公斤 |
| 00:39:15,630 | 00:39:17,630 | 就是讓他的門檻越低越好 |
| 00:39:17,630 | 00:39:20,630 | 如果超過了這個門檻的話 |
| 00:39:20,630 | 00:39:22,630 | 他就是到刑法第一級去了 |
| 00:39:22,670 | 00:39:24,670 | 對 那我們的意思是說 |
| 00:39:24,670 | 00:39:26,670 | 應該是要重演 |
| 00:39:26,670 | 00:39:28,670 | 因為現在煙跟毒就是 |
| 00:39:28,670 | 00:39:29,670 | 已經很難區別 |
| 00:39:29,670 | 00:39:30,670 | 這個新的時代 |
| 00:39:30,670 | 00:39:31,670 | 煙等於毒 |
| 00:39:31,670 | 00:39:34,670 | 毒等於煙的比例的機會實在是 |
| 00:39:35,820 | 00:39:36,820 | 大增了 |
| 00:39:36,820 | 00:39:39,820 | 所以我們只擔心 |
| 00:39:40,850 | 00:39:43,850 | 不擔心錯殺 |
| 00:39:43,850 | 00:39:45,850 | 只擔心漏掉 |
| 00:39:46,850 | 00:39:49,850 | 我認為這個如果全部都是煙油的原料的話 |
| 00:39:49,850 | 00:39:51,850 | 10公斤也是很多很多了 |
| 00:39:55,750 | 00:39:56,750 | 大靈危 |
| 00:39:56,750 | 00:39:58,750 | 不好意思 我想請教一下 |
| 00:39:58,750 | 00:39:59,750 | 因為昨天有來我們辦公室 |
| 00:39:59,750 | 00:40:00,750 | 來跟我們說 |
| 00:40:00,750 | 00:40:02,750 | 因為之前我們的討論是10公斤 |
| 00:40:02,750 | 00:40:04,750 | 可是因為說10公斤的話 |
| 00:40:04,750 | 00:40:07,750 | 他就很難會有這兩級的一個鑑別度 |
| 00:40:07,750 | 00:40:09,750 | 所以我只是想說 |
| 00:40:09,750 | 00:40:11,750 | 因為其實這部分我們重要 |
| 00:40:11,750 | 00:40:12,750 | 我們的目標 |
| 00:40:12,750 | 00:40:14,750 | 站在我跟淑芬委員或戰續委員 |
| 00:40:14,750 | 00:40:15,750 | 或熱情委員的目標 |
| 00:40:15,750 | 00:40:16,750 | 應該都是希望說 |
| 00:40:16,750 | 00:40:19,750 | 如何的去避免我們的孩子 |
| 00:40:19,750 | 00:40:20,750 | 去吸食到這些東西 |
| 00:40:20,750 | 00:40:23,750 | 那到底幾公斤合理 |
| 00:40:23,750 | 00:40:24,750 | 那這個坦白說 |
| 00:40:24,790 | 00:40:26,790 | 可能是要行政機關來告訴我們 |
| 00:40:26,790 | 00:40:27,790 | 到底是 |
| 00:40:27,790 | 00:40:28,790 | 因為昨天跟我考量 |
| 00:40:28,790 | 00:40:29,790 | 說有這個鑑別度的問題 |
| 00:40:29,790 | 00:40:31,790 | 那是不是可以再跟我們多說明一點 |
| 00:40:31,790 | 00:40:33,790 | 因為我們其實目標就是希望孩子不要吸到 |
| 00:40:33,790 | 00:40:34,790 | 也就這樣子 |
| 00:40:36,110 | 00:40:37,110 | 跟委員說明 |
| 00:40:37,110 | 00:40:39,110 | 其實我們的這個設計上 |
| 00:40:39,110 | 00:40:42,110 | 因為有製造輸入跟販賣供應 |
| 00:40:42,110 | 00:40:43,110 | 那一開始的設計 |
| 00:40:43,110 | 00:40:45,110 | 會希望這兩個情節 |
| 00:40:45,110 | 00:40:46,110 | 是以製造輸入比較嚴重 |
| 00:40:46,110 | 00:40:48,110 | 販賣供應比較不嚴重 |
| 00:40:48,110 | 00:40:50,110 | 那在販賣供應的部分 |
| 00:40:50,110 | 00:40:52,110 | 其實當初的設計是 |
| 00:40:52,110 | 00:40:54,110 | 100件10公斤以下 |
| 00:40:54,110 | 00:40:56,110 | 那所以在 |
| 00:40:56,110 | 00:40:59,110 | 製造輸入的部分就是1000件100公斤 |
| 00:40:59,110 | 00:41:01,110 | 所以只是當初的設計 |
| 00:41:01,110 | 00:41:03,110 | 有一個比例上的一個原則 |
| 00:41:03,110 | 00:41:05,110 | 那但是因為在跟委員溝通的時候 |
| 00:41:05,150 | 00:41:06,150 | 我們也瞭解 |
| 00:41:06,150 | 00:41:08,150 | 就是這個製造輸入 |
| 00:41:08,150 | 00:41:11,150 | 它可能是一個原物料進來 |
| 00:41:11,150 | 00:41:14,150 | 那販賣供應可能都是已經是成品了 |
| 00:41:14,150 | 00:41:16,150 | 那如果考量原物料的時候 |
| 00:41:16,150 | 00:41:18,150 | 確實10公斤的菸油 |
| 00:41:18,150 | 00:41:21,150 | 它可以製造出4000個 |
| 00:41:21,150 | 00:41:23,150 | 兩cc的菸氮 |
| 00:41:23,150 | 00:41:26,150 | 所以這個總件數其實也反映1000件以上 |
| 00:41:26,150 | 00:41:28,150 | 所以基於這樣子的考量 |
| 00:41:28,150 | 00:41:31,150 | 我們認為其實確實可以修正到10公斤 |
| 00:41:31,150 | 00:41:32,150 | 因為 |
| 00:41:32,150 | 00:41:33,150 | 如果換算成菸油 |
| 00:41:33,190 | 00:41:34,190 | 如果換算成菸油 |
| 00:41:34,190 | 00:41:35,190 | 它件數也超過 |
| 00:41:35,190 | 00:41:39,190 | 那以菸油這樣的樣態危害更大的時候 |
| 00:41:39,190 | 00:41:41,190 | 確實過了這個量 |
| 00:41:41,190 | 00:41:43,190 | 就是它有這樣子程度的一個危害 |
| 00:41:43,190 | 00:41:45,190 | 那只是我們的考量會在 |
| 00:41:45,190 | 00:41:47,190 | 不同的行為樣態的時候 |
| 00:41:47,190 | 00:41:50,190 | 這個比例上可能會有一點點 |
| 00:41:50,190 | 00:41:52,190 | 比例不是那麼的均衡 |
| 00:41:52,190 | 00:41:55,190 | 但是我們認為修正成10公斤 |
| 00:41:55,190 | 00:41:56,190 | 應該也是可行的 |
| 00:42:00,990 | 00:42:03,029 | 有沒有其他意見 |
| 00:42:04,130 | 00:42:05,170 | 沒有的 |
| 00:42:05,310 | 00:42:06,350 | 好 |
| 00:42:06,710 | 00:42:08,710 | 我們25條之一 |
| 00:42:08,710 | 00:42:10,710 | 一行政院提案 |
| 00:42:10,710 | 00:42:13,710 | 委員王振旭等三人所提修正 |
| 00:42:13,710 | 00:42:15,710 | 動議修正通過 |
| 00:42:16,470 | 00:42:17,470 | 接下來 |
| 00:42:17,470 | 00:42:20,470 | 我們續審25條之二 |
| 00:42:20,940 | 00:42:22,940 | 第25條之二 |
| 00:42:22,940 | 00:42:25,940 | 是針對境外旅客自用 |
| 00:42:25,940 | 00:42:28,940 | 自己攜帶的這個類菸品的一個 |
| 00:42:28,940 | 00:42:29,940 | 排除的 |
| 00:42:29,940 | 00:42:31,940 | 就是第一次 |
| 00:42:32,570 | 00:42:33,570 | 採刑事法 |
| 00:42:33,570 | 00:42:34,570 | 然後擂犯 |
| 00:42:34,570 | 00:42:36,570 | 然後採刑罰的 |
| 00:42:36,570 | 00:42:37,570 | 那當初其實是有委員 |
| 00:42:37,570 | 00:42:39,570 | 針對一年的部分 |
| 00:42:39,570 | 00:42:41,570 | 其實是有意見 |
| 00:42:41,570 | 00:42:43,570 | 那這邊主管監管考量了之後 |
| 00:42:43,570 | 00:42:46,570 | 修正為五年內再犯 |
| 00:42:46,570 | 00:42:47,570 | 那這樣子的一個判斷 |
| 00:42:47,570 | 00:42:51,570 | 主要是兼顧擂犯的一個情況之下去 |
| 00:42:51,570 | 00:42:52,570 | 做設計的 |
| 00:42:55,770 | 00:42:56,770 | 意見 |
| 00:42:56,770 | 00:42:57,770 | 25條之二 |
| 00:43:03,009 | 00:43:04,009 | 沒有的話 |
| 00:43:04,009 | 00:43:07,009 | 這一條就一行政院提案修正通過 |
| 00:43:10,550 | 00:43:12,590 | 接下來35條之一 |
| 00:43:13,560 | 00:43:14,560 | 30條 |
| 00:43:16,560 | 00:43:18,560 | 30條 |
| 00:43:19,630 | 00:43:20,630 | 30條的部分 |
| 00:43:20,630 | 00:43:23,630 | 主要是根據第15條之一 |
| 00:43:23,630 | 00:43:27,630 | 就是前面關於網際網路業者管理的部分 |
| 00:43:27,630 | 00:43:30,630 | 那作為一些文字上修正 |
| 00:43:30,630 | 00:43:32,630 | 那這邊我念一下 |
| 00:43:32,630 | 00:43:34,630 | 但網際網路業者 |
| 00:43:34,630 | 00:43:37,630 | 以依第15條之一第四項 |
| 00:43:37,630 | 00:43:38,630 | 所訂辦法 |
| 00:43:38,630 | 00:43:40,630 | 盡管理義務 |
| 00:43:40,630 | 00:43:42,630 | 並實施管理作為者 |
| 00:43:42,630 | 00:43:44,630 | 都好不予處罰 |
| 00:43:44,630 | 00:43:46,630 | 所以這是跟著15條之一 |
| 00:43:46,630 | 00:43:48,630 | 做的文字修正 |
| 00:43:49,730 | 00:43:50,770 | 我願意有嗎意見 |
| 00:43:54,120 | 00:43:55,160 | 不能亂跑 |
| 00:43:58,070 | 00:43:59,110 | 我們非常需要你 |
| 00:43:59,779 | 00:44:00,779 | 那有沒有意見 |
| 00:44:00,779 | 00:44:01,779 | 沒有的話 |
| 00:44:01,779 | 00:44:05,779 | 第30條就一行政院提案修正通過 |
| 00:44:05,779 | 00:44:07,779 | 現在續審35條之一 |
| 00:44:09,140 | 00:44:10,140 | 35條之一 |
| 00:44:10,140 | 00:44:13,140 | 也是因為之前第15條之一 |
| 00:44:13,140 | 00:44:16,140 | 有一些文字上的修正 |
| 00:44:16,140 | 00:44:20,140 | 並且增加那一條裡面的第7項規定 |
| 00:44:20,140 | 00:44:22,140 | 所以在這裡的部分 |
| 00:44:22,140 | 00:44:24,140 | 我念一下下面的文字修正 |
| 00:44:24,140 | 00:44:27,140 | 在第二款的網際網路業者 |
| 00:44:27,140 | 00:44:31,140 | 違反第15條之一第6項規定 |
| 00:44:31,140 | 00:44:34,140 | 未依現保存資訊資料 |
| 00:44:34,140 | 00:44:37,140 | 或違反同條第7項規定 |
| 00:44:37,180 | 00:44:39,180 | 未依主管機關通知 |
| 00:44:39,180 | 00:44:41,180 | 提供資訊資料 |
| 00:44:44,120 | 00:44:45,160 | 我有沒意見 |
| 00:44:46,940 | 00:44:47,940 | 沒有的話 |
| 00:44:47,940 | 00:44:48,940 | 35條之一 |
| 00:44:48,940 | 00:44:53,940 | 一行政院提案及委員王振旭等三人所提修正動議通過 |
| 00:44:58,350 | 00:44:59,350 | 那一條 |
| 00:44:59,350 | 00:45:00,350 | 44條 |
| 00:45:00,350 | 00:45:01,350 | 那接下來44條 |
| 00:45:02,480 | 00:45:03,480 | 44條 |
| 00:45:03,480 | 00:45:06,480 | 這個是遵照委員建議的版本 |
| 00:45:06,480 | 00:45:08,480 | 在原本的文字後面增加 |
| 00:45:08,480 | 00:45:10,480 | 依本法應受處罰者 |
| 00:45:10,480 | 00:45:12,480 | 除依本法處罰外 |
| 00:45:12,480 | 00:45:14,480 | 其有犯罪嫌疑者 |
| 00:45:14,480 | 00:45:17,480 | 應移送司法機關處理 |
| 00:45:20,620 | 00:45:21,660 | 我也有沒有意見 |
| 00:45:23,990 | 00:45:25,029 | 沒有 |
| 00:45:25,620 | 00:45:26,620 | 44條 |
| 00:45:26,620 | 00:45:31,620 | 一行政院提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案修正通過 |
| 00:45:31,620 | 00:45:32,620 | 接下來續審 |
| 00:45:32,620 | 00:45:33,620 | 事實 |
| 00:45:34,860 | 00:45:35,900 | 這7 |
| 00:45:37,360 | 00:45:38,360 | 第47條 |
| 00:45:38,360 | 00:45:41,360 | 那因為這一次有修正第9條 |
| 00:45:41,360 | 00:45:42,360 | 第二項 |
| 00:45:42,360 | 00:45:46,360 | 調高菸品容器警示圖文的面積到85% |
| 00:45:46,360 | 00:45:49,360 | 那因為這個考量業者需要辦理 |
| 00:45:49,360 | 00:45:51,360 | 包裝版面的調整 |
| 00:45:51,360 | 00:45:54,360 | 那會需要一個緩衝的一個時間 |
| 00:45:54,360 | 00:45:56,360 | 所以增加文字如下 |
| 00:45:56,360 | 00:45:59,360 | 本法修正條文除 |
| 00:45:59,360 | 00:46:01,360 | 中華民國幾年 |
| 00:46:01,360 | 00:46:04,360 | 某年某月某日修正公佈之第二條 |
| 00:46:04,360 | 00:46:05,360 | 第二項 |
| 00:46:05,400 | 00:46:06,400 | 而第9條 |
| 00:46:06,400 | 00:46:07,400 | 第二項 |
| 00:46:07,400 | 00:46:09,400 | 自公佈後一年時之外 |
| 00:46:09,400 | 00:46:12,400 | 自公佈日施行 |
| 00:46:14,100 | 00:46:15,140 | 我又沒意見 |
| 00:46:16,650 | 00:46:17,650 | 沒有 |
| 00:46:17,650 | 00:46:19,650 | 因為有一年的緩衝期是適當的 |
| 00:46:19,650 | 00:46:20,650 | 同意 |
| 00:46:20,650 | 00:46:22,650 | 那第47條 |
| 00:46:22,650 | 00:46:25,650 | 一行政院提案修正通過 |
| 00:46:27,510 | 00:46:29,550 | 接下來我們針對於 |
| 00:46:33,210 | 00:46:35,250 | 不用附帶菌 |
| 00:46:37,020 | 00:46:38,020 | 對對對 |
| 00:46:38,020 | 00:46:40,020 | 先保留案 |
| 00:46:40,020 | 00:46:43,020 | 來我們先針對附帶菌 |
| 00:46:43,020 | 00:46:47,020 | 附帶菌有兩個保留案跟兩個新提案 |
| 00:46:47,020 | 00:46:49,020 | 兩個新提案部分要先請 |
| 00:46:55,710 | 00:46:59,750 | 新的兩案請秘書先行宣讀 |
| 00:47:02,200 | 00:47:05,200 | 第一案請主管機關於訂定相關執法時 |
| 00:47:05,200 | 00:47:08,200 | 盤點各類平台之營運特性及管理能力 |
| 00:47:08,200 | 00:47:11,200 | 依平台規模服務形態及風險程度 |
| 00:47:11,200 | 00:47:15,200 | 訂定合理且具差異化之管理義務 |
| 00:47:15,200 | 00:47:16,200 | 及認定標準 |
| 00:47:16,200 | 00:47:19,200 | 並於執法發佈前提出評估報告 |
| 00:47:19,200 | 00:47:22,200 | 以兼顧防治違法資訊平台責任 |
| 00:47:22,200 | 00:47:24,200 | 及產業發展 |
| 00:47:24,200 | 00:47:27,200 | 提案委員林月請連署委員王振旭 |
| 00:47:27,200 | 00:47:28,200 | 林淑芬 |
| 00:47:28,200 | 00:47:30,200 | 附帶決議新增2 |
| 00:47:30,650 | 00:47:33,650 | 考量煙品添加風味後容易誘導 |
| 00:47:33,650 | 00:47:36,650 | 青少年及女性接觸與成癮 |
| 00:47:36,650 | 00:47:38,650 | 《煙害防治法》第十條規定 |
| 00:47:38,650 | 00:47:39,650 | 明訂煙品不得使用 |
| 00:47:39,650 | 00:47:42,650 | 中央主管機關公告禁止使用至添加物 |
| 00:47:42,650 | 00:47:44,650 | 然而 112年 |
| 00:47:45,580 | 00:47:48,580 | 施行迄今兩次預告 |
| 00:47:48,580 | 00:47:50,580 | 人未完成公告程序 |
| 00:47:50,580 | 00:47:53,580 | 請衛生福利部緊述公告煙品禁止使用 |
| 00:47:53,580 | 00:47:54,580 | 特徵風味添加物 |
| 00:47:54,580 | 00:47:56,580 | 以保障國人健康 |
| 00:47:56,580 | 00:47:57,580 | 提案委員王振旭 |
| 00:47:57,580 | 00:47:58,580 | 林淑芬 |
| 00:47:58,580 | 00:47:59,580 | 林月請宣讀完畢 |
| 00:47:59,580 | 00:48:01,580 | 好 先處理我們保留 |
| 00:48:01,580 | 00:48:03,580 | 附帶決議的第一案 |
| 00:48:03,580 | 00:48:05,580 | 請行政機關表示意見 |
| 00:48:05,580 | 00:48:07,580 | 是 主管機關 |
| 00:48:08,470 | 00:48:10,509 | 原來保留的 上次保留的 |
| 00:48:21,970 | 00:48:28,009 | 請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目 |
| 00:48:23,630 | 00:48:25,670 | 反正是許委員的題目 |
| 00:48:37,220 | 00:48:38,220 | 都沒有啊 |
| 00:48:38,220 | 00:48:39,220 | 找到了嗎 |
| 00:48:51,030 | 00:48:52,070 | 謝謝 |
| 00:49:00,390 | 00:49:02,390 | 這個剛才不是有新的決議 |
| 00:49:02,390 | 00:49:03,390 | 跟這個類似了 |
| 00:49:04,500 | 00:49:06,540 | 那這個還要再處理嗎 |
| 00:49:11,040 | 00:49:13,040 | 因為他這個就牽扯到法律上的 |
| 00:49:13,040 | 00:49:16,040 | 比較 比較細節上的 |
| 00:49:16,040 | 00:49:18,040 | 的字眼了 |
| 00:49:23,560 | 00:49:25,560 | 剛才你們不是提了 類似的 |
| 00:49:25,560 | 00:49:28,560 | 對 這個已經在十五條之一的時候 |
| 00:49:28,560 | 00:49:30,560 | 做文字的一個修正了 |
| 00:49:30,560 | 00:49:31,560 | 所以這個不用了 |
| 00:49:31,560 | 00:49:32,560 | 對啦 |
| 00:49:32,560 | 00:49:33,560 | 好 |
| 00:49:33,560 | 00:49:35,560 | 那這一案就不處理了 |
| 00:49:35,560 | 00:49:36,560 | 好 拿到第二個人 |
| 00:49:36,560 | 00:49:37,560 | 拿來 |
| 00:49:38,790 | 00:49:40,830 | 再來下一案 |
| 00:49:42,810 | 00:49:43,810 | 上次保留的 |
| 00:49:43,810 | 00:49:44,810 | 第二 |
| 00:49:47,800 | 00:49:50,840 | 就是通知限制瀏覽移除 |
| 00:49:51,090 | 00:49:52,130 | 限制截取 |
| 00:49:53,680 | 00:49:55,680 | 這個主管機關准照辦理 |
| 00:49:55,680 | 00:49:56,680 | 好 |
| 00:49:56,680 | 00:49:57,680 | 那就 |
| 00:49:57,680 | 00:49:58,680 | 照案通過 |
| 00:49:59,600 | 00:50:01,600 | 接下來今天的新的兩案 |
| 00:50:01,600 | 00:50:02,600 | 好 第一案 |
| 00:50:05,570 | 00:50:06,610 | 這個 |
| 00:50:12,980 | 00:50:13,980 | 好 有沒有意見 |
| 00:50:13,980 | 00:50:14,980 | 沒有 准照辦理 |
| 00:50:14,980 | 00:50:16,980 | 好 那就照案通過 |
| 00:50:16,980 | 00:50:19,980 | 第二案 王靖維提的 |
| 00:50:20,550 | 00:50:21,590 | 就是家衛 |
| 00:50:23,080 | 00:50:24,080 | 風味添加物的部分 |
| 00:50:24,080 | 00:50:25,080 | 我們准照辦理 |
| 00:50:25,080 | 00:50:26,080 | 好 那就照案通過 |
| 00:50:27,140 | 00:50:28,180 | 謝謝衛邊 |
| 00:50:30,360 | 00:50:33,400 | 立法說明受全行政機關處理 |
| 00:50:34,230 | 00:50:36,230 | 本法案相關調次條文中 |
| 00:50:36,230 | 00:50:40,230 | 原引條相次及法制用語調整 |
| 00:50:40,230 | 00:50:42,230 | 授權醫事人員調整 |
| 00:50:42,230 | 00:50:45,230 | 那休息一下 |
| 00:50:45,230 | 00:50:47,230 | 就等一下他們協商結論還在打 |
| 00:50:47,230 | 00:50:48,230 | 好 |
| 00:50:50,050 | 00:50:51,090 | 等我一下 |
| 00:50:52,840 | 00:50:54,840 | 現在宣告以上協商結果 |
| 00:50:54,840 | 00:50:57,840 | 協商通過條文 |
| 00:51:03,810 | 00:51:05,810 | 15之1 15之2 |
| 00:51:05,810 | 00:51:06,810 | 15之1 15之2 |
| 00:51:06,810 | 00:51:07,810 | 15之2 |
| 00:51:07,810 | 00:51:10,810 | 學生通過條文就是這個 |
| 00:51:10,810 | 00:51:13,810 | 15之1 15之2 |
| 00:51:15,240 | 00:51:17,240 | 15之1 15之2 |
| 00:51:17,240 | 00:51:20,240 | 30跟35之1 |
| 00:51:21,570 | 00:51:24,610 | 44跟47 |
| 00:51:26,690 | 00:51:29,730 | 保留第7條跟第10條 |
| 00:51:30,730 | 00:51:32,730 | 區域軍造審查會 |
| 00:51:32,730 | 00:51:33,730 | 審查結果通過 |
| 00:51:35,090 | 00:51:36,130 | 請大家有沒有意見 |
| 00:51:36,970 | 00:51:39,970 | 沒有的話我們等下請黨團簽名 |
| 00:51:39,970 | 00:51:40,970 | 新增附帶決議 |
| 00:51:40,970 | 00:51:43,970 | 新增通過附帶決議三案 |
| 00:51:43,970 | 00:51:44,970 | 如附件 |
| 00:51:47,970 | 00:51:49,009 | 我們等下給你 |
| 00:54:49,330 | 00:54:50,330 | 那你這邊 |
| 00:54:50,330 | 00:54:52,330 | 宣告協商結論 |
| 00:54:52,330 | 00:54:53,330 | 要講時間嗎 |
| 00:54:53,330 | 00:54:54,330 | 不是都不用 |
| 00:54:54,330 | 00:54:55,330 | 只要這裡就好 |
| 00:54:55,330 | 00:54:56,330 | 這裡就好 |
| 00:54:56,330 | 00:54:57,330 | 好協商結論 |
| 00:54:57,330 | 00:54:59,330 | 一協商通過條文 |
| 00:54:59,330 | 00:55:02,330 | 增訂第15條之1 |
| 00:55:02,330 | 00:55:04,330 | 第15條之2 |
| 00:55:04,330 | 00:55:05,330 | 第25條之1 |
| 00:55:05,330 | 00:55:06,330 | 25條之2 |
| 00:55:06,330 | 00:55:08,330 | 第30條 |
| 00:55:08,330 | 00:55:09,330 | 第35條之1 |
| 00:55:09,330 | 00:55:10,330 | 第44條 |
| 00:55:10,330 | 00:55:12,330 | 第47條 |
| 00:55:12,330 | 00:55:13,330 | 如附件1 |
| 00:55:13,330 | 00:55:14,330 | 二保留 |
| 00:55:14,330 | 00:55:15,330 | 送院會處理 |
| 00:55:15,330 | 00:55:16,330 | 第7條 |
| 00:55:16,330 | 00:55:17,330 | 第10條條文 |
| 00:55:17,370 | 00:55:20,370 | 三審查會保留附帶決議 |
| 00:55:20,370 | 00:55:21,370 | 第一案不予處理 |
| 00:55:21,370 | 00:55:24,370 | 四審查會保留附帶決議 |
| 00:55:24,370 | 00:55:25,370 | 第二案通過 |
| 00:55:25,370 | 00:55:26,370 | 如附件2 |
| 00:55:27,920 | 00:55:29,920 | 五新增附帶決議 |
| 00:55:29,920 | 00:55:30,920 | 兩項 |
| 00:55:30,920 | 00:55:31,920 | 如附件3 |
| 00:55:32,310 | 00:55:34,310 | 六期餘軍照審查會 |
| 00:55:34,310 | 00:55:36,310 | 審查結果通過 |
| 00:55:36,310 | 00:55:37,310 | 七 |
| 00:55:37,470 | 00:55:39,470 | 簡復修政治立法說明 |
| 00:55:39,470 | 00:55:40,470 | 如附件4 |
| 00:55:41,530 | 00:55:42,570 | 請問大家有沒有意見 |
| 00:55:43,730 | 00:55:44,730 | 沒有 |
| 00:55:44,730 | 00:55:45,730 | 散會 |
| 00:55:56,570 | 00:55:57,610 | 別瞪著 |
| 00:55:59,730 | 00:56:00,770 | 散會 |