| IVOD_ID |
17631 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17631 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-30T08:35:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-30T14:28:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:52:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/bfaf9b39ac01a68536c9025ded6a24859fbcdaa0ed0e44109c076e573ffc041234942975a0c8bbb95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員陳冠廷等18人擬具「安樂死法草案」案。
二、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「尊嚴善終法草案」案。
三、邀請衛生福利部部長及教育部次長就「近期幼兒園及托育兒虐頻傳：責任通報、兒少保護及跨部會合作機制檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【專題報告及法律案綜合詢答，法律案僅詢答】
【7月29日及30日，二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:35:12 - 14:28:00 |
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1675.6 |
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1677.14 |
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好 現在繼續開會 |
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1677.14 |
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1678.6 |
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本會議議程為 |
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1678.6 |
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1682 |
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依審查委員陳冠廷等18人 |
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1682 |
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1684.36 |
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擬居安樂死法草案 |
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1686.2 |
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1688.66 |
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審查臺灣民眾黨黨團 |
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1688.66 |
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1692.16 |
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凝聚尊嚴慎終法草案 |
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1693.3 |
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1697.26 |
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三 邀請衛生福利部部長及教育部次長 |
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1697.26 |
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1699.66 |
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就近期幼兒園及托育 |
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1700.93 |
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1703.77 |
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托育兒孽 平傳責任通報 |
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1703.77 |
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1707.07 |
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兒少保護及跨部會合作機制檢討 |
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1707.07 |
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1709.07 |
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進行專題報告並被質詢 |
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1709.67 |
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1712.53 |
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現在我們介紹在場委員 王振旭委員 |
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1718.71 |
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1720.93 |
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現在我們介紹列席官員 |
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1720.93 |
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1722.93 |
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衛生福利部時重量部長 |
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1724.82 |
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1726.88 |
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保護服務司郭彩蓉次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
1728.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
1730.46 |
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144 劉玉菁副市長 |
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1732.33 |
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1734.39 |
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心理健康師 |
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1734.46 |
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1736.52 |
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洪嘉基專務委員 |
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1737.8 |
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1739.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
社會及家庭署張美美副署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
1741.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
1745.57 |
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食品藥物管理署慈蘭惠副署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
1747.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
1749.97 |
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行政院人權及轉型正義處 |
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1750.96 |
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1755.02 |
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張元瑞好參議 |
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1756.99 |
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1759.05 |
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法務部翁仁君參事 |
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1761.16 |
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1763.22 |
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李宗翰主任檢察官 |
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1765.17 |
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1769.23 |
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教育部國民級學情教育署 彭副委員署長 |
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1772.73 |
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1776.79 |
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現在請提案委員說明提案要旨 |
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1777.31 |
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1779.37 |
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每位委員兩分鐘 |
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1779.84 |
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1783.9 |
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首先請邱慧璐委員代表台灣民眾黨黨團說明 |
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1792.35 |
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1796.35 |
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主席還有各位委員還有政府部門的官員大家好 |
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1796.35 |
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1798.35 |
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我想呢 |
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1798.35 |
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1800.35 |
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醫學倫理有四個原則 |
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1800.35 |
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1802.35 |
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第一個原則就是自主原則 |
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1802.35 |
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1804.35 |
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第二個原則就是行善原則 |
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1804.35 |
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1806.35 |
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第三個原則就是不傷害原則 |
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1806.35 |
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1810.35 |
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第四個原則就是公平正義原則 |
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1810.35 |
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1812.35 |
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而其中四個原則當中 |
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1812.35 |
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1818.35 |
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又以病人的自主權這個原則被廣為廣泛的討論 |
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1818.41 |
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1822.41 |
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這認為是倫理原則最核心的概念 |
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1822.41 |
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1826.41 |
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那當然我們台灣民眾黨提出了尊嚴善終法 |
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1826.41 |
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1830.41 |
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尊嚴善終法提出的利益不外乎就是 |
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1830.41 |
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1834.41 |
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要讓病人落實生命自主的原則 |
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1834.41 |
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1836.41 |
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那當然現行的法規 |
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1836.41 |
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1838.41 |
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有安民法和醫療條例 |
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1838.41 |
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1840.41 |
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有病人自主權利法 |
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1840.41 |
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1842.41 |
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但是安民法和醫療條例 |
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1842.41 |
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1845.41 |
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它適用的對象是默契病人 |
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1845.41 |
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1847.41 |
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而病人自主權利法 |
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1847.47 |
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1849.47 |
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適用的對象有五類的病人 |
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1849.47 |
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1851.47 |
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第一類的病人就是也是默契病人 |
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1851.47 |
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1857.47 |
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第二類的病人則是永久植物人狀態的病人 |
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1857.47 |
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1859.47 |
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第三類的病人就是不可逆的昏迷 |
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1859.47 |
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1861.47 |
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第四類的病人就是重度的失智 |
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1861.47 |
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1864.47 |
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第五類的病人就是概括條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1864.47 |
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1868.47 |
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那總共衛福部公告了11種罕病 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1868.47 |
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1872.47 |
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所以換言之如果你不是這種條件的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1872.47 |
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1874.47 |
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你根本走入不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1874.53 |
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1876.53 |
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安民法和醫療條例 |
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1876.53 |
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1878.53 |
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跟病人自主權利法的世界 |
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1878.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1880.53 |
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以至於當你生命出現了 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1880.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1882.53 |
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無法治癒的疾病 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1882.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1884.53 |
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承受痛苦難以忍受 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1884.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1886.53 |
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你沒有方式可以尊嚴善終 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1886.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1888.53 |
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所以我們台灣民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1888.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1891.53 |
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在今年提出了尊嚴善終法 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1891.53 |
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1893.53 |
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就是想要回應社會的需求 |
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1893.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1897.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
人民的這個倡議 |
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1897.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1899.53 |
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那我們的尊嚴善終法有幾個特色 |
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1899.53 |
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1901.53 |
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首先是安樂死 |
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1901.53 |
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1903.53 |
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跟醫師協助死亡的適用條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1903.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1905.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
程序監督行政管理 |
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1905.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1907.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
還有設置專責的服務機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1907.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1909.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
專業人員的制度 |
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1909.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1911.59 |
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預立尊嚴善終的決定 |
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1911.59 |
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1913.59 |
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代理人制度跟相關的法律效果 |
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1913.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1916.59 |
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我們希望這部法律能夠解決 |
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1916.59 |
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1920.59 |
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病人來自內心最渴望的一個訴求 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1920.59 |
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1922.59 |
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落實生命的自主權 |
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1922.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1924.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
以上說明謝謝 |
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1925.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1927.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
謝謝邱慧如委員 |
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1927.06 |
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1929.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
接下來請陳冠廷委員說明 |
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1940.67 |
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1942.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
首先非常感謝趙偉 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
1942.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
1944.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
今天特別來去審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1944.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1946.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
由我本人 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
1946.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
1948.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
以及其他18位 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
1948.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
1950.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
18位民進黨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
1950.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
1952.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
立法委員們共同提案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
1952.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
1954.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
這個安樂死草案 |
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1954.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
1956.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
除此之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
1956.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
1958.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
我們很榮幸 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
1958.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
1960.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
這一次是在本屆 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
1960.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
1962.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
第一次能夠來在我們的委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
1962.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
1964.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
正式的討論我們的安樂死法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
1964.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
1966.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
那我想這也不是我們第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
1966.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
1968.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
在這個立法院來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
1968.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
1970.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
那前前後後 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
1970.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
1972.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
包含這一個各種的座談會 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
1972.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
1974.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
1974.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
1976.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
以及在台灣各地 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
1976.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
1978.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
辦理的各個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
1978.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
1980.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
我們針對安樂死的相關的法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
1980.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
1982.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
我們已經討論了 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
1982.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
1984.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
數十次 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
1984.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
1986.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
那我還記得第二次 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
1986.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
1988.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
的座談會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
1988.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
1990.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
有來自中國國民黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
1990.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
1991.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
1991.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
1993.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
還有我們執政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
1993.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
1994.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
民主進入黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
1994.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
1996.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
那共同來去討論這個草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
1997.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
1999.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
首先我必須要感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
1999.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
2001.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
台灣的這個過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
2001.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
2003.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
在安寧緩和醫療條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
2003.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
2005.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
還有病人的自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
2005.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
2007.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
這些付出努力的這些前人們 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
2007.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
2009.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
這些制度非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
2009.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
2011.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
也必須要強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
2011.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
2013.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
但是我們還是要承認 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
2013.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
2015.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
除了安寧醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
2015.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
2017.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
它不見得是在每一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
2016.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
2018.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
案例中都能夠消除痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
2018.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
2020.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
那有些病人必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
2020.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
2022.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
在接受完整照護之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
2022.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
2024.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
還是要承受 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
2024.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
2025.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
無法疼痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
2025.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
2027.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
無法緩解的疼痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
2027.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
2029.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
那這些嚴重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
2029.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
2031.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
這些狀況不可逆的這些疾病 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
2031.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
2033.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
那未必符合傳統默契 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
2033.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
2035.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
病人的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
2035.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
2037.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
他可能要在清醒中 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
2037.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
2039.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
他可能要在各個狀況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
2039.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
2041.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
承受數年數十年的折磨 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
2041.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
2043.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
那過去安樂死的議題被討論過 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
2043.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
2045.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
那很少有足條 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
2045.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
2047.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
來具體跨黨化的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
2047.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
2049.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
那這一次我認為就是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
2049.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
2051.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
非常重要的一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
2051.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
2052.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
對我們來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
2052.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
2054.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
我們沒有辦法替別人 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
2054.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
2056.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
決定他們怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
2056.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
2058.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
去尊嚴的走完他們最後一程 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
2058.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
2060.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
這是他們每一位當事者 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
2060.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
2062.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
必須自主來去做決定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
2062.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
2064.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
他們需要知道的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
2064.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
2066.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
好那如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
2066.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
2068.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
來去尊嚴的離開 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
2068.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
2070.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
所以這一次我們的修正的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
2070.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
2072.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
首先我們是重新定位 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
2072.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
2074.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
醫助死亡跟主動安樂死的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
2074.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
2076.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
我們的版本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
2076.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
2078.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
原則上是採取醫助死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
2078.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
2080.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
再來是我們建立的 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
2080.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
2082.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
是雙醫師的獨立評估機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
2082.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
2084.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
至少有一位主治而醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
2084.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
2086.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
跟一位獨立的諮詢醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
2086.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
2088.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
再來就是我們把默契病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
2088.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
2090.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
直接定義改為 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
2090.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
2092.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
直接援引安寧緩和和醫療條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
2092.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
2094.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
第三條第二款定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
2094.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
2096.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
跟台灣既有的安寧緩和醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
2096.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
2098.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
判定實質接軌 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
2098.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
2100.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
再來就是我們多 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
2100.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
2102.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
新增多項的關鍵條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
2102.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
2104.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
這個契約的收費上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
2104.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
2106.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
以及保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
2106.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
2108.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
我們視為自然死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
2108.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
2110.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
紀錄保存還有審議期限等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
2110.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
2112.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
那我們的保險的條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
2112.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
2114.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
還是原理 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
2114.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
2116.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
比利時的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
2116.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
2118.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
將一把執行的安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
2118.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
2120.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
在人手保險區域上視為自然死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
2120.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
2122.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
再來我們是把所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
2122.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
2124.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
現行的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
2124.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
2126.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
我們把它接軌 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
2126.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
2128.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
我們把患者統一改為 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
2128.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
2130.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
病人成立人改為 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
2130.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
2132.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
完全行為能力之人 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
2132.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
2134.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
醫療醫院認證改為 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
2134.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
2136.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
醫院評鑑等 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
2136.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
2138.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
我們讓病人自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
2138.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
2140.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
安寧緩和醫療條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
2140.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
2142.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
跟醫療的法的體力 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
2142.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
2144.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
我們把它一致化 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
2146.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
2148.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
我們剛才提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
2148.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
2150.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
我們三組未成年例外條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
2150.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
2152.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
我們基於台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
2152.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
2154.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
社會現狀的接受度 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
2154.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
2156.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
新版本疑慮要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
2156.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
2158.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
具完全行為能力者 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
2158.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
2160.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
才可以使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
2160.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
2162.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
我們把所有的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
2162.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
2164.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
我們知道會有支持者 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
2164.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
2166.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
也會有不同程度的支持者 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
2166.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
2168.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
可能會有疑慮者 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
2168.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
2170.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
那我們一一的在過去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
2170.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
2172.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
各種的座談會還有討論會上 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
2172.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
2174.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
每一次我們的草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
2174.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
2176.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
我們都會有相關的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
2176.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
2178.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
我們最後送出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
2178.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
2180.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
這一個由我以及其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
2180.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
2182.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
十幾位委員們的這個草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
2182.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
2184.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
是經過多次修正之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
2184.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
2186.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
來提出來的草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
2186.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
2188.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
但我也知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
2188.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
2190.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
這是一個非常重要的生命議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
2190.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
2192.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
所以刀喊衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
2192.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
2194.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
以及各主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
2194.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
2196.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
每一位同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
2196.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
2198.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
還有我們其他立法委員們同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
2198.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
2200.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
各位的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
2200.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
2202.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
都是未來修正草案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
2202.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
2204.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
我還是要強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
2204.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
2206.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
會有不同程度支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
2206.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
2208.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
安樂死草案的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
2208.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
2210.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
那我們只要能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
2210.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
2212.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
把這一個條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
2212.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
2214.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
作為去政黨化 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
2214.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
2216.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
跨政黨的條例的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
2216.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
2218.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
那我們就可以往安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
2218.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
2220.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
或者是善終 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
2220.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
2222.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
往向前的一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
2222.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
2224.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
那我還是再次強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
2224.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
2226.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
我會全力來去推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
2226.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
2228.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
我與我們的其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
2228.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
2229.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
立法委員同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
2229.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
2231.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
也會全力來去推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
2231.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
2233.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
我也希望這一次衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
2233.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
2235.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
能夠正面的來去 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
2235.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
2237.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
針對逐條 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
2237.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
2239.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
來去跟我們用心討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
2239.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
2241.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
讓我們這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
2241.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
2243.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
無法承受之痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
2243.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
2245.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
讓當事人能夠尊嚴的 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
2245.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
2247.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
決定他們人生的最後一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
2247.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
2249.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
2250.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
2252.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
好,謝謝陳冠廷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
2252.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
2254.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
2254.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
2256.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
接下來請衛生福利部 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
2256.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
2258.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
時部長並按說明時間10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
2265.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
2267.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
主席、各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
2267.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
2269.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
今天大院 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
2269.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
2271.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
就這個審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
2271.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
2273.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
陳冠廷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
2273.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
2275.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
所提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
2275.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
2277.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
安樂死法草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
2277.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
2279.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
以及台灣民眾黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
2279.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
2281.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
所擬具的 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
2281.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
2283.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
尊嚴善終法的草案兩案 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
2283.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
2285.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
那麼以及提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
2285.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
2287.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
底下會提出這個本部的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
2287.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
2289.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
那另外就 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
2289.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
2291.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
近期有而言及這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
2291.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
2293.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
脫鈺而虐的頻傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
2293.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
2295.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
那麼有關責任通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
2295.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
2297.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
兒少保護及跨部會合作的 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
2297.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
2299.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
這個機制的檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
2299.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
2301.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
那麼也會提出書面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
2301.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
2303.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
2303.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
2305.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
那麼再請各位委員來指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
2305.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
2307.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
那麼不論是 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
2307.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
2309.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
這個安樂死或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
2309.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
2311.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
尊嚴善終的法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
2311.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
2313.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
那麼都涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
2313.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
2315.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
生命權 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
2315.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
2317.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
人格自主,醫療倫理 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
2317.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
2319.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
醫師專業責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
2319.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
2321.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
刑事法治及社會價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
2321.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
2323.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
多重面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
2323.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
2325.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
那麼過去也有相當的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
2325.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
2327.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
那麼隨著 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
2327.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
2329.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
社會的高齡化,醫療科技的進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
2329.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
2331.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
以及病人自主意識的 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
2331.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
2333.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
提升,那麼如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
2333.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
2335.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
兼顧生命的尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
2335.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
2337.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
病人的自主,還有醫療的 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
2337.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
2339.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
倫理,以及弱勢的保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
2339.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
2341.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
那麼共同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
2341.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
2343.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
取得一個平衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
2343.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
2345.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
那麼已經成為重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
2345.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
2347.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
公共政策的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
2347.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
2349.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
那麼為了讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
2349.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
2351.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
這個生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
2351.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
2353.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
特別是在生命末期的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
2353.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
2355.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
能夠得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
2355.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
2357.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
良好的照護,那麼我國 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
2357.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
2359.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
那麼陸陸續續建立了 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
2359.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
2361.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
相當的照護的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
2361.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
2363.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
那麼包含在 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
2363.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
2365.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
2000年所制定 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
2365.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
2367.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
公布施行的安寧緩和 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
2367.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
2369.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
醫療條例,讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
2369.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
2371.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
末期病人得以其意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
2371.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
2373.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
來接受安寧緩和 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
2373.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
2375.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
醫療,來拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
2375.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
2377.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
急救,CPR,以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
2377.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
2379.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
維持生命的治療 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
2379.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
2381.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
那麼迄今已經超過116萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
2381.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
2383.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
那麼簽署了 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
2383.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
2385.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
這個安寧緩和的意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
2385.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
2387.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
那麼另外在2019年 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
2387.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
2389.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
我們實施了 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
2389.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
2391.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
病人自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
2391.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
2393.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
那麼進一步來保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
2393.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
2395.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
具有完全行為能力者 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
2395.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
2397.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
也能夠透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
2397.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
2399.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
育力醫療照護諮商 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
2399.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
2401.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
也就是ACP來做成這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
2401.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
2403.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
AD育力醫療決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
2403.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
2405.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
在符合法定 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
2405.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
2407.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
確定臨床條件的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
2407.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
2409.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
能夠依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
2409.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
2411.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
病人的自主意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
2411.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
2413.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
拒絕維持生命治療 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
2413.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
2415.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
及人工營養 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
2415.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
2417.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
流體餵養等 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
2417.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
2419.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
那麼到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
2419.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
2421.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
那麼已經簽署了 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
2421.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
2423.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
超過15萬5千人 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
2423.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
2425.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
那麼雖然這兩者 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
2425.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
2427.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
2427.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
2429.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
這個育力醫療照 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
2429.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
2431.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
育力醫療決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
2431.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
2433.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
也就是病人自主權利法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
2433.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
2434.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
實行比較慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
2434.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
2436.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
那麼但是經過這幾年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
2436.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
2437.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
推動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
2437.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
2439.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
那麼民眾的自主意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
2439.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
2441.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
也逐漸的提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
2441.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
2443.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
那麼以我們今年的統計 |
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那麼今年迄今 |
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那麼新簽署的 |
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這個安寧緩和意願的人數 |
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是4萬5千人左右 |
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那麼簽署AD的 |
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也就是育力醫療決定的 |
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也超過2萬6千人 |
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所以這兩者之間過去的差距 |
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那麼已經逐漸拉近了 |
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也代表這個民眾 |
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對於這個病主法 |
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的認知跟簽署的意願 |
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逐步的在提高 |
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那麼現行的制度 |
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就是以尊重病人自主 |
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維護生命尊嚴完善 |
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善忠的照護為核心 |
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讓疾病以自然 |
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病程的發展 |
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那麼來得到一個 |
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安寧跟善忠 |
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而本次審查的兩個草案 |
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則更進一步的 |
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建立了這個 |
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安樂死 |
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跟醫師協助死亡的制度 |
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那麼對於 |
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現行的拒絕醫療的這個 |
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設計呢 |
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是屬於重大的一個法制的變革 |
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那麼我們在書面報告裡面 |
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也有詳述 |
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那麼涉及到五項的 |
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2513.22 |
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這個重大的改變 |
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包含第一個制度的設計 |
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那麼如何兼顧病人的自主 |
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完全自主意識 |
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那麼弱勢的保護 |
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那麼還有醫療的專業 |
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跟公共的利益之間的一個共識 |
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那麼第二個呢 |
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對於在適用對象上 |
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痛苦的認定 |
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意識能力自主意願的確認 |
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那麼都需要一個這個 |
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周延的保障 |
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那麼第三個呢 |
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2542.95 |
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雙醫師的確認 |
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2544.95 |
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精神專業的評估 |
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跟事後的監督機制 |
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2549.01 |
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都要兼顧這些程序 |
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2551.01 |
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正義專業能力 |
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跟制度的效率 |
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那麼第四呢 |
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那麼跟安寧緩和醫療 |
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疼痛控制 |
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心理健康跟社會的支持 |
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那麼這些都是需要 |
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相同的這個重要配套 |
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那麼才能夠讓病人 |
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在充分的支持之下來 |
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做成決定 |
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那麼最後呢 |
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是對於專法跟刑法 |
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之間的適用關係 |
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那麼同時也需要 |
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通盤的去檢視現行的 |
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2583.07 |
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醫師法、醫療法、藥事法 |
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死亡證明 |
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2587.07 |
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還有藥物管理跟醫療責任 |
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2589.07 |
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等等的相關配套 |
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2591.07 |
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所以我們在未來如果進入竹條 |
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2593.07 |
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本部呢會 |
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2595.07 |
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就上面涉及到的這五個 |
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來提供更周詳的建議 |
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2599.07 |
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那麼另外 |
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2601.07 |
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在這個 |
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2604.49 |
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第二個報告 |
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2606.49 |
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關於這個幼兒園 |
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2608.49 |
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跟托育制度的問題 |
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那麼近年來呢 |
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2612.49 |
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那麼托育不當的對待事件 |
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2614.49 |
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那麼屢受社會的重視 |
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2616.49 |
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那麼本部也積極 |
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在落實從初級的宣導 |
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次級的家庭支持 |
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到三級的個案處遇 |
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醫療整合照護等等的 |
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兒少保護 |
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2628.49 |
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那麼加強相關的措施 |
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2630.49 |
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而依照兒少法的規定 |
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2632.55 |
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那麼責任通報人員 |
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2634.55 |
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包含醫事人員 |
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2636.55 |
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教保人員 |
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2638.55 |
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那麼這個 |
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2640.55 |
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托育人員等等 |
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2642.55 |
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在窒息案件的時候 |
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2644.55 |
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都必須在24小時內通報的 |
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2644.55 |
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2646.55 |
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那麼114年的通報 |
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2648.55 |
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已經達到14萬餘件 |
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2650.55 |
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那麼其中也以家外 |
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2652.55 |
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案件占4成為居多 |
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2654.55 |
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那麼為了讓跨機關的 |
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2654.55 |
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2656.55 |
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合作能夠更密切緊密 |
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2656.55 |
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2658.55 |
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那麼本部也定定了 |
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2658.61 |
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2660.61 |
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家外不當對待的 |
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2660.61 |
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2662.61 |
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處理原則來落實證據的 |
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2662.61 |
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2664.61 |
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保全避免行為人 |
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2664.61 |
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2666.61 |
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持續接觸兒少 |
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2666.61 |
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2668.61 |
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並且告知家長 |
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2668.61 |
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2670.61 |
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那麼以及依法裁處 |
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2670.61 |
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2672.61 |
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那麼另外為了完善這個 |
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2672.61 |
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2674.61 |
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托育的服務 |
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2676.61 |
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那麼也明定了 |
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2676.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
2678.61 |
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對疑似不當對待的處理原則 |
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2678.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
2680.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
流程還有任職 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
2680.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
2682.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
前的消極資格的擬定 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
2682.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
2684.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
退場機制還有加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
2684.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
2686.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
訪視的輔導訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
2686.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
2688.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
以及對違法人員資訊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
2688.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
2690.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
公佈運用外部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
2690.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
2692.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
管理機制以及推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
2692.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
2694.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
突發及緊急事件的線上通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
2694.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
2696.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
托育中心的渡島效能 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
2696.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
2698.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
等等那麼至於也 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
2698.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
2700.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
陳大彥的這個協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
2700.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
2702.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
那麼已經在今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
2702.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
2704.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
今年的5月8號 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
2704.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
2706.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
那麼已經公佈了 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
2706.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
2708.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
兒童托育服務法 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
2708.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
2710.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
那麼本部將會依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
2710.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
2712.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
這個該法的授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
2712.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
2714.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
那麼來推動優化 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
2714.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
2716.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
資訊系統的即時管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
2716.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
2718.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
建立全國一致的採取機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
2718.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
2720.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
並且持續的培立 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
2720.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
2722.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
及建立調查人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
2722.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
2724.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
揭露這個違法人員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
2724.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
2726.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
處分資訊以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
2726.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
2728.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
提高違法裁罰的強度 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
2728.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
2730.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
和強化退場機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
2730.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
2732.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
等等好所以這個以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
2732.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
2734.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
這個就這兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
2734.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
2736.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
議題呢像 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
2736.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
2738.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
委員會及各位委員做 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
2738.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
2740.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
報告那麼再請各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
2740.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
2742.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
持續的支持與指教謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
2743.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
2745.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
好謝謝我們的時部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
2745.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
2746.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
的邊緣說明喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
2746.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
2748.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
接下來請教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
2748.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
2750.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
彭副委員署長說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
2760.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
2762.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
各位委員各位女士先生大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
2764.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
2766.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
參要列席專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
2766.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
2768.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
進啟幼兒園及託育兒女 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
2768.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
2770.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
平船責任通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
2770.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
2772.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
兒少保護及跨部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
2772.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
2774.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
合作機制的檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
2775.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
2777.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
首先 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
2776.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
2778.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
目前教保服務機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
2778.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
2780.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
兒少保護的相關做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
2780.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
2782.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
進行說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
2783.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
2785.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
依據幼兒教育照顧法 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
2785.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
2787.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
以及教保人員服務條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
2788.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
2790.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
兩法 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
2790.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
2792.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
這兩法對於違法的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
2792.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
2794.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
都定有法則 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
2794.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
2796.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
並且 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
2795.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
2797.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
需要依規定來進行通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
2798.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
2800.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
在這兩法架構下 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
2800.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
2802.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
我們一定有一個細節的 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
2802.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
2804.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
操作的調查處理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
2805.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
2807.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
這個辦法已經在 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
2807.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
2809.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
112年持續公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
2809.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
2811.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
跟修正處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
2811.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
2813.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
此外對於整體的處理程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
2813.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
2815.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
我們以下四點的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
2816.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
2818.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
首先就通報開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
2819.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
2821.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
依規定要在24小時內 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
2821.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
2823.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
完成通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
2835.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
2837.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
而不是透過負責人來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
2837.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
2839.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
而是要直接向 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
2839.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
2841.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
直轄市縣市政府主管機關通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
2842.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
2845.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
第二段會進到調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
2845.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
2847.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
調查是 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
2847.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
2849.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
兩個工作日內要移送 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
2849.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
2851.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
審查小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
2851.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
2853.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
來判斷是否受理 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
2852.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
2854.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
並且來繼續往下 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
2854.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
2856.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
組成調查小組進行調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
2857.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
2859.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
進行調查後 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
2859.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
2861.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
會進行到第三段的 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
2861.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
2863.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
包含認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
2864.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
2866.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
或是 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
2865.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
2868.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
應該要予以處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
2868.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
2870.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
並且登載在 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
2870.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
2872.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
不適任的通報網上 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
2872.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
2874.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
最後同時也會看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
2874.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
2876.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
孩子有沒有輔導的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
2876.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
2878.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
進行輔導措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
2878.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
2880.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
以上是就發生這些事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
2880.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
2882.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
我們會有四個步驟 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
2882.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
2884.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
來完成處理的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
2886.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
2888.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
第二大段是針對防範不適任人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
2889.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
2891.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
進入交保機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
2890.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
2893.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
防範 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
2892.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
2895.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
基本而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
2894.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
2896.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
進入交保機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
2904.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
2906.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
就在剛剛所提到的資料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
2909.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
2911.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
進入交保機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
2911.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
2914.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
即便是認職的 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
2913.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
2916.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
也要在認職期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
2916.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
2918.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
進行查詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
2927.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
2930.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
2929.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
2931.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
有提到交保服務機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
2931.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
2933.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
這整個的治理 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
2933.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
2935.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
怎麼樣的進行跨單位的合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
2937.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
2940.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
以下有 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
2940.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
2942.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
三大點 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
2942.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
2944.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
跟大家做個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
2942.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
2945.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
首先在中央的部分有兩點 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
2946.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
2948.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
第一調查辦法的第十五條 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
2950.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
2952.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
第三調查法的第十五條 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
2971.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
2974.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
通報系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
2973.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
2975.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
不適任登錄系統等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
2975.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
2978.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
另外調查小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
2978.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
2980.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
也可以再請求 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
2980.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
2982.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
教育、社政、警政、民政 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
2982.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
2984.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
衛政的相關機關來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
2984.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
2987.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
所以地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
2986.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
2988.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
一旦受理到了這些案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
2988.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
2990.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
整體在地方的橫向的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
2993.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
2995.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
中央法律都已經予以鳴定 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
2995.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
2997.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
同時 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
2997.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
2999.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
中央機關也會全力來 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
2999.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
3001.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
在不管法律或是行政的 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
3001.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
3003.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
措施上 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
3003.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
3005.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
予以協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
3005.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
3007.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
那其變 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
3006.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
3008.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
在中央部會本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
3008.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
3010.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
也有非常多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
3010.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
3012.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
3011.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
3014.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
3013.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
3015.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
教育階段間 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
3014.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
3017.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
或是年齡間應該有一致的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
3018.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
3020.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
這個一致全國有相當 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
3020.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
3022.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
一個協調的 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
3022.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
3024.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
包含部裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
3024.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
3026.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
教育部跟衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
3026.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
3028.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
社交署都有一個協調的 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
3028.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
3030.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
或是溝通的機制 |
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3030.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
3032.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
此外在系統上怕有遺漏 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
3032.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
3034.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
因此在系統也完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
3034.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
3036.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
借鑒 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
3036.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
3038.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
中央部已經跟法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
3038.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
3040.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
衛福部警政署的資料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
3040.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
3042.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
有做間接的合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
3042.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
3044.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
讓各類建制的 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
3044.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
3046.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
不適任的資料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
3046.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
3048.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
能夠做一個緊密的連結 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
3048.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
3050.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
那麼在查詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
3050.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
3052.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
就不會有所遺漏 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
3053.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
3055.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
接下來第三點是 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
3055.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
3057.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
在地方本身也有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
3057.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
3059.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
完整的跨單位的 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
3059.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
3061.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
稽查機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
3061.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
3063.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
當然依照右照法的第六條規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
3063.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
3065.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
各地方政府會就 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
3065.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
3067.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
所轄的交保機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
3067.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
3069.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
來進行稽查的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
3069.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
3071.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
這一部分教育部也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
3071.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
3073.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
補助相關稽查的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
3073.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
3076.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
第二點是 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
3075.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
3077.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
在渡島稽查的相關的作為上 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
3077.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
3079.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
也希望能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
3079.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
3081.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
有一定的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
3081.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
3083.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
而不是依照縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
3083.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
3085.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
自己來律定而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
3085.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
3087.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
有一個國家的比例標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
3087.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
3089.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
包含說 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
3089.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
3091.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
在當地的機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
3091.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
3093.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
公私筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
3093.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
3095.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
以及私立的幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
3095.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
3097.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
要在稽查數中 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
3097.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
3099.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
不得少於稽查元數的 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
3099.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
3101.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
1% |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
3101.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
3103.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
此外 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
3104.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
3106.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
有準公共 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
3106.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
3108.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
受有國家的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
3108.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
3110.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
我們也強化它稽查的元數 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
3111.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
3113.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
最後提到未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
3113.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
3115.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
如何繼續強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
3115.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
3117.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
相關的精進作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
3117.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
3119.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
第一我們覺得跨機關的合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
3119.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
3120.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
3120.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
3122.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
所以要持續深化跨單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
3122.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
3124.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
合作的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
3122.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
3125.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
來進行聯防 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
3124.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
3126.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
第二要持續 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
3127.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
3129.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
強化無預警的 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
3129.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
3131.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
以及聯合的集場 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
3132.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
3134.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
最後我們也會督導 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
3134.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
3136.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
相關的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
3136.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
3138.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
來訂定計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
3138.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
3140.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
並進行無預警式的集場 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
3142.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
3144.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
此外對於有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
3144.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
3146.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
不幸發生的這些狀況時 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
3146.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
3148.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
對於幼生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
3148.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
3150.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
協助的補助資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
3150.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
3152.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
也會來協助地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
3151.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
3154.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
另外在整體 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
3154.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
3156.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
老師在進行教保服務工作上 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
3156.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
3158.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
也要持續來提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
3158.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
3160.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
專業智能 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
3160.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
3162.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
以上就整體保護的 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
3162.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
3164.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
3164.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
3165.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
跨單位的合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
3165.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
3167.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
以及未來的精進作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
3167.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
3169.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
提請各位委員會與 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
3169.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
3171.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
3171.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
3173.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
相關的細節內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
3173.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
3175.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
請參與我們的書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
3175.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
3177.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
3177.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
3179.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
謝謝教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
3179.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
3181.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
澎湖委員署長的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
3207.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
3208.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
暫定10點半 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
3208.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
3210.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
休息10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
3210.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
3212.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
尋釐本日不處理臨時提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
3212.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
3214.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
現在請登記第一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
3214.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
3216.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
林月群召委進行巡達 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
3224.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
3226.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
主席麻煩我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
3226.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
3228.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
法務部參事 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
3228.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
3230.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
法務部王參事 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
3237.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
3239.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
3239.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
3241.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
最近我覺得三中一期 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
3241.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
3243.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
大家受到社會很高度的關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
3243.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
3245.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
不少民眾大家都希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
3245.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
3247.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
能夠尊嚴走完 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
3247.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
3249.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
人生的最後一哩路 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
3249.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
3251.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
可是這也是因為現行病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
3251.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
3253.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
自主權力法跟安寧 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
3253.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
3255.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
緩和醫療條例並為明文 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
3255.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
3257.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
規定說我們的斷時三中 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
3257.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
3259.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
導致社會各界對法律的 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
3259.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
3261.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
界線產生不少的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
3261.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
3263.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
衛福部跟安寧醫學會 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
3263.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
3265.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
都表示斷時三中 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
3266.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
3268.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
並不等於安寧療護 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
3268.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
3270.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
也可能事實上有法律風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
3270.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
3272.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
所以問法務部如果病人表明 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
3272.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
3274.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
要透過不吃不喝結束生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
3274.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
3276.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
而家屬或醫護人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
3276.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
3278.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
選擇配合不勸阻 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
3278.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
3280.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
甚至停止提供食物或者水分 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
3280.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
3282.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
那是否涉及到刑法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
3282.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
3284.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
275條 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
3284.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
3286.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
還有遺棄至死罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
3286.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
3288.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
跟過失至死罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
3288.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
3290.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
或其他的刑事責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
3290.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
3292.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
如果有爭議的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
3292.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
3294.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
那衛福部是否會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
3294.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
3296.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
衛福部也明好訂定指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
3296.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
3298.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
來明確化劃分哪些 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
3298.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
3300.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
是屬於尊重病人自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
3300.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
3302.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
哪些是可以予約法界 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
3302.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
3304.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
避免家屬跟醫護人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
3304.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
3306.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
因法律不明而承擔風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
3307.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
3309.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
跟召委報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
3309.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
3311.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
因為這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
3311.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
3313.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
真的是牽涉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
3315.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
3317.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
爭議範圍很廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
3317.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
3319.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
也很大也很深 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
3319.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
3321.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
因為這個涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
3321.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
3323.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
生命法議 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
3323.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
3325.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
還有憲政的價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
3325.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
3327.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
還有醫療的倫理 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
3327.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
3329.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
所以在這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
3329.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
3331.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
目前我們知道有病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
3331.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
3333.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
3333.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
3335.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
那這個是比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
3335.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
3337.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
屬於比較消極的 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
3337.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
3339.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
然後是醫護人員來配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
3339.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
3341.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
那但是如果是 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
3341.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
3343.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
安樂死或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
3344.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
3346.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
尊嚴善忠的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
3346.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
3348.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
那這個可能是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
3348.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
3350.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
比較積極的 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
3350.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
3352.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
就是主動的安樂死或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
3352.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
3354.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
依住死亡的這樣的一個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
3354.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
3356.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
那本部的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
3356.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
3358.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
我們刑法是我們的主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
3358.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
3360.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
那原則上當然是禁止 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
3360.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
3362.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
故意剝奪他人的生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
3362.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
3364.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
但所以如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
3364.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
3366.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
像以安樂死來說的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
3366.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
3368.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
如果沒有法律明文規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
3369.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
3371.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
那依法就是會涉及 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
3371.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
3373.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
刑法殺人罪或者是加工自殺罪的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
3373.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3375.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
那當然如果立法政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
3375.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3377.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
決定另外容許 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
3377.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3379.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
規定情形的安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3379.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3381.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
那我們一定要在構成要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3381.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3383.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
還有程序跟監督機制跟免責範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3383.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3385.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3386.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3388.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
都要做一個刑法的特別規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3412.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3414.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
那部長現行病人自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
3414.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3416.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
規定病人必須符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3416.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3418.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
五種法定情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
3418.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3420.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
那包括默契病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3420.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3422.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
不可逆轉昏迷啊永久 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3422.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3424.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
植物人或是急重度失智 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3424.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3426.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
以及主管機關公告的其他情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3426.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3428.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
才能依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3428.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3430.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
那個預立醫療決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3430.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3432.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
停止維持生命治療 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3432.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3434.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
可是這些條件到底是誰說了算 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
3434.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3436.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
是組織醫師一個人決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3436.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3438.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
還是要其他專科醫師一起確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3438.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
3440.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
如果醫療團隊意見不同的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
3440.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
3442.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
最後是由誰拍板決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
3444.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
3445.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
3445.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
3447.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
當然在現行的病毒法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
3447.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
3449.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
因為我們也在進行修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
3449.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
3451.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
在現行的病毒法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
3451.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
3453.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
是要第一個階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
3453.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
3455.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
是要有兩位具相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
3455.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
3457.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
專科資格的醫師去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
3457.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
3459.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
診斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
3459.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
3461.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
看看有沒有符合這些條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
3461.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
3463.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
這是第一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
3463.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
3465.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
那第二步呢他要在 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
3465.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
3467.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
召會這個安寧的團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
3467.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
3469.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
而且這個召會至少要有兩次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
3469.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
3471.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
召會去確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
3471.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
3473.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
就啟動後續的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
3473.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
3475.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
預立醫療決定的這個執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
3476.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
3478.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
程序上是要這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
3478.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
3480.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
那我覺得什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
3480.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
3482.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
才可以開始預立醫療決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
3482.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
3484.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
而且是只要 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
3484.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
3486.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
曾經符合條件就可以執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
3486.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
3488.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
還是每一次都要 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
3488.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
3490.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
必須要重新確認病人目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
3490.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
3492.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
現在是否符合資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
3492.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
3494.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
還有沒有一套全國一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
3494.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
3496.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
那個判斷的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
3496.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
3498.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
還有避免不同醫院有不同做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
3498.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
3500.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
影響病人的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
3500.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
3502.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
3502.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
3504.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
就是預立醫療決定就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
3504.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
3506.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
都可以進行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
3506.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
3508.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
只要經過ACP |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
3508.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
3510.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
預立醫療照護諮商的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
3510.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
3512.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
就可以去簽署 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
3512.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
3514.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
只是要啟動的時候就像 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
3514.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
3516.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
委員提到的因為這個病人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
3516.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
3518.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
病況他是會變化的 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
3518.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
3520.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
所以等於是每一次要啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
3520.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
3522.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
按照現在的做法是每一次要 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
3522.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
3524.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
啟動當然都要經過剛剛的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
3524.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
3526.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
兩位相關專科醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
3526.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
3528.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
判斷有沒有符合這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
3528.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
3530.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
3530.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
3532.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
因為我們現在的條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
3532.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
3534.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
第五款是比較明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
3534.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
3536.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
第五款就是由我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
3536.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
3538.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
來公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
3538.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
3540.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
大概都是屬於一些罕見疾病 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
3540.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
3542.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
所以執行上我們都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
3542.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
3544.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
相關的這個訓練課程 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
3544.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
3546.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
跟一些指引來讓大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
3546.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
3548.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
知道怎麼執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
3548.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
3550.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
好那部長請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
3550.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
3552.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
接下來請國教署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
3553.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
3555.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
請國教署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
3557.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
3559.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
3559.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
3561.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
署長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
3562.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
3564.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
一直以來我就非常關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
3564.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
3566.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
而且過去在民間也在處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
3566.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
3568.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
所謂的不當對待 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
3568.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
3570.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
那台北市呢事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
3570.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
3572.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
四年就扒起重大的惡孽 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
3572.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
3574.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
大概超過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
3574.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
3576.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
100位以上大概115位 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
3576.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
3578.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
的孩子呢受到很大的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
3578.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
3580.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
而且這扒起案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
3580.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
3582.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
高達有618次 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
3582.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
3584.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
的不當管教 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
3584.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
3586.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
甚至最讓人家覺得心痛的事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
3586.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
3588.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
有性侵跟性毀竊 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
3589.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
3591.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
已經超過半數了有66件 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
3592.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
3594.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
在這樣的比例底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
3594.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
3596.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
當然我們的蔣市長就講得很好聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
3596.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
3598.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
尤其在培若米札案件之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
3598.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
3600.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
他有出來道歉說自己是 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
3600.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
3602.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
台北市的大家長有責任保護孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
3602.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
3604.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
會監討改進讓法令與 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
3604.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
3606.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
政策更完備避免類似的 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
3606.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
3608.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
事情發生講完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
3608.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
3610.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
三年又發生了七起 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
3610.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
3612.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
的重大惡孽案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
3612.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
3614.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
造成這麼多孩子的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
3614.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
3616.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
所以就想來問部長幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
3616.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
3618.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
目前我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
3618.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
3620.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
3620.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
3622.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
來我們辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
3622.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
3624.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
跟我們討論的案子裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
3624.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
3626.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
我們想問幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
3626.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
3628.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
就是說到底心理諮商 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
3628.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
3630.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
依法規我到底可做不可做 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
3630.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
3632.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
培若米札案3月12號 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
3632.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
3634.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
我們開完記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
3634.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
3636.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
就可以申請心理諮商 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
3636.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
3638.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
可是之前他是完全不能申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
3638.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
3640.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
心理諮商為什麼在 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
3640.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
3642.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
2024年 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
3642.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
3644.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
3月12號我剛進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
3644.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
3646.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
開完記者會就可以申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
3646.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
3648.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
心理諮商可是在之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
3648.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
3650.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
他們是求助我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
3650.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
3652.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
那問題來了如果他2024年 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
3652.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
3654.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
申請心理諮商可以為什麼2025年 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
3654.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
3656.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
又加幼兒園又找上我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
3656.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
3658.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
說他沒有提供心理諮商 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
3658.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
3660.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
的費用同年 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
3660.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
3662.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
2025年一樣8月 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
3662.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
3664.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
為什麼一個進寶兒公館幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
3664.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
3666.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
又可以申請心理諮商 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
3666.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
3668.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
法治社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
3668.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
3670.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
今天一個公部門在執行的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
3670.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
3672.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
一下可以心理諮商一下不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
3672.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
3674.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
法定不是說他們可以提供心理諮商嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
3674.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
3676.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
他們可以受到這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
3676.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
3678.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
服務嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].start |
3678.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
3680.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
12月一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
3680.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
3682.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
歐洲學校幼兒園又是不能申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
3682.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
3684.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
心理諮商 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
3684.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
3686.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
有這麼多套標準嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
3686.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
3688.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
心理諮商的依據標準是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
3688.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
3690.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
總部門每次我都在幫跟案家 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
3690.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
3692.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
開完記者會他就可以拿到心理諮商 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
3693.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
3695.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
謝謝委員基本上是可以的 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
3695.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
3697.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
而且可以我們還有補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
3697.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
3699.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
那在114學年 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
3699.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
3701.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
就目前這個學年 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
3701.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
3703.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
快要結束這個學年我們補助了2600萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
3703.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
3705.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
其中台北市等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
3705.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
3707.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
22縣市那 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
3707.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
3709.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
這種補助就表示這個是需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
3709.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
3711.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
而且也有來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
3711.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
3713.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
那至於特殊個案剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
3713.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
3715.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
委員已經講了5個個案有些有有些沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
3715.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
3717.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
這個我們馬上在一天內了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
3717.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
3719.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
跟您回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
3719.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
3721.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
好那更讓我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
3721.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
3723.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
接受的為什麼是監視器我不能看 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
3723.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
3725.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
3725.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
3727.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
培羅米達也是因為監視器不能看 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
3727.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
3729.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
就調查報告在2020年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
3729.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
3731.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
不成立所以2023年 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
3731.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
3733.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
結果有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
3733.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
3735.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
3734.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
3736.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
1你不處理的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
3736.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
3738.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
隔年39個孩子受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
3738.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
3740.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
都是性侵性違憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
3740.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
3742.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
所以到底監視器可不可以調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
3742.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
3744.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
結果又加又可以然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
3744.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
3746.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
進寶又可以到了歐洲學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
3746.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
3748.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
為什麼又不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
3747.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
3749.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
這個標準到底是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
3749.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
3751.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
甚至我也想問調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
3751.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
3753.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
培羅米達家長問說 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
3753.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
3755.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
那我的調查結果是什麼結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
3755.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
3757.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
市府回答說你去看新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
3757.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
3759.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
新聞稿看我的聲明稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
3759.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
3761.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
為什麼一個調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
3761.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
3763.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
我不能知道結果然後我必須看 |
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聲明稿看政府的 |
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3767.85 |
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一個新聞稿我才知道我的 |
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3767.85 |
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3769.85 |
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調查結果我的孩子 |
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3771.85 |
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有沒有被你們在 |
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討論的時候確定他到底 |
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3775.85 |
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有沒有受到傷害怎麼 |
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3775.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
3777.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
我必須看新聞稿不是給我一個正式的通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
3777.85 |
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而且 |
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3781.85 |
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更特別的是如果要看 |
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3783.85 |
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這樣的一個我要看調查報告 |
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3783.85 |
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3785.85 |
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看到什麼東西看到一大堆遮蔽 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
3785.85 |
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3787.85 |
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要嘛就是黑的要嘛就是說 |
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3787.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
3789.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
從證人陳述的這些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
3789.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
3791.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
都不能看我只能看到底下的一行字 |
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3792.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
3794.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
這一行字 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
3794.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].end |
3796.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
到底我要看到的是什麼我孩子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
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3798.29 |
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整個我的陳我們的陳述 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
3798.29 |
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對方的陳述為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].start |
3800.29 |
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3802.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
行為人可以看到完整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
3804.29 |
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那反而事實上是受害人不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
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3806.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
看到這也是我這 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
3806.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
3808.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
三年來我們辦公室一直在爭取可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
3808.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
3810.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
至今都還是有這樣子的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
3810.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
3812.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
調查報告到底有什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].start |
3812.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
3814.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
不可以看到筆錄在記錄的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].start |
3814.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
3816.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
我們在警方筆錄的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].start |
3816.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
3818.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
都可以看為什麼事實上是 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
3818.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
3820.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
這樣子的一個調查報告要嘛就遮蔽 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
3820.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
3822.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
到整個黑的要嘛就是貼上 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
3822.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
3824.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
一個東西說因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].start |
3824.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
3826.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
從證人陳述可特定的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].start |
3826.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
3828.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
為保障關係人權益都不可以提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
3828.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
3830.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
那我看這一坨 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
3830.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
3832.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
黑的東西我到底看到是什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
3832.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
3834.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
甚至一頁我只看到兩行字 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
3834.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
3836.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
其他的我都看不到那我也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
3836.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
3838.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
調查報告為什麼又會 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
3838.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
3840.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
是這樣狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
3839.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
3841.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
好剛才委員有兩點 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
3841.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
3843.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
一個是監視器一個是報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
3845.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
那剛才委員也舉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
3847.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
至少兩個案例來做對照 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
3849.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
那在114年7月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
3851.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
的全國局長會議之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
3851.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
3853.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
我們有承諾在監視器這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
3853.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
3855.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
的調閱應該要有一個合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
3855.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
3857.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
跟適當的來 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
3857.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
3859.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
配合調查的這個做法所以在 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
3859.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
3861.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
當年的10月29號 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
3861.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
3863.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
就訂出來那委員也知道我們再送給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
3863.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
3865.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
委員也很多指導那至於報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
3867.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
的部分大概都有一些相關相應 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
3869.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
的類似的這個注意事項跟做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
3871.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
那剛剛委員講的兩個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
3873.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
有一些不特定的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
3873.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
3875.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
下做的作為好像讓委員覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
3877.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
有點質疑我們也一樣在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
3877.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
3879.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
會後我們馬上蒐集這兩個個案做個對比 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
3879.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
3881.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
在什麼樣的情況下他會做 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
3881.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
3883.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
那種判斷有沒有依照規定以及他 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
3883.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
3885.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
實現上是不是當時注意事項之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
3887.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
或之前再來一個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
3889.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
剛剛委員有提到這整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
3889.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
3891.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
在調閱報告的時候讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
3891.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
3893.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
委員看到有一些感覺不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
3893.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
3895.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
這個案情在說什麼很多遮蔽 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
3895.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
3897.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
如果他是符合相關的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
3897.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
3899.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
那我們也要看他的適當性 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
3899.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
3901.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
這些我們都進行比較距離的監視 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
3901.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
3903.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
是不能遮到一個字都看不到整片是黑的 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
3903.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
3905.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
印給我們做什麼印給家長 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
3905.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
3907.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
做什麼甚至我更關心的叫停止 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
3907.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
3909.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
本來就把希望把 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
3909.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
3911.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
家害人跟孩子隔開 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
3911.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
3913.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
停止了嗎看這四個 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
3913.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
3915.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
就知道根本都沒在停止 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
3915.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
3917.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
像幼家幼兒園還到他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
3917.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
3919.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
照樣他們二樓的補習班 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
3919.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
3921.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
繼續工作孩子都還是會看到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
3921.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
3923.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
老師害不害怕當然害怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
3923.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
3925.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
那一樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
3925.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
3927.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
進寶公館的幼兒園一樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
3927.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
3929.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
無論在現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
3931.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
那當然更不用講 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
3931.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
3933.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
歐洲學校幼兒園還是一樣在 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
3933.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
3935.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
學校裡面如果你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
3937.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
法規有停止為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
3937.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
3939.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
地方政府可以這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
3941.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
所以家長就來問我們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
3941.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
3943.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
當地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
3943.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
3945.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
如此的荒腔走板的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
3946.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
3948.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
家長問要怎麼他們要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
3949.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
3951.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
只能走刑法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
3951.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
3953.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
或者找我們這些民代來開記者會嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
3955.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
還是繼續跟施暴的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
3957.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
孩子要繼續跟施暴的老師在現場嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
3959.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
這合理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
3961.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
本來就是希望孩子能夠孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
3963.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
繼續去上學而不是孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
3965.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
要被隔開老師繼續去上班 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
3965.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
3967.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
包含委員所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
3969.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
三大題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
3971.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
最後一題這些我們都會具體的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
3971.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
3973.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
包含最後所提到的停職的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
3973.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
3975.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
認定跟他的執行以上補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
3975.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
3977.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
甚至現在更荒謬的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
3977.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
3979.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
講完在裴若敏答案 |
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3979.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
3981.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
有出來道歉說自己是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
3981.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
3983.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
台北市家長有責任保護小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
3983.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
3985.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
為什麼現在至今都不處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
3985.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
3987.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
國賠完全不處理國賠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
3987.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
3989.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
然後呢不是承認自己的疏失嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
3989.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
3990.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
為什麼不 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
3990.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
3992.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
所以我很贊成家長講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
3992.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
3994.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
就是說今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
3995.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
3996.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
他們受害了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
3996.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
3998.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
結果呢繳的罰款是給政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
3998.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
4000.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
心理諮商他們要自己出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
4000.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
4002.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
司法訴訟要他們自己出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
4002.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
4004.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
那到底事實上是政府賺了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
4004.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
4006.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
滿盆滿缽之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
4006.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
4008.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
所有的代價事實上是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
4008.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
4010.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
家長要負擔這合理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
4010.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
4012.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
怎麼會是國賠不去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
4012.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
4014.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
然後呢家長要去走到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
4014.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
4016.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
刑事法的一個訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
4016.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
4018.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
最後呢變成事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
4018.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
4020.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
所有的不管是律師費 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
4020.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
4023.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
所有甚至心理諮商都要他們承擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
4023.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
4025.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
所以法律到底是在保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
4025.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
4027.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
加害人還是保護受害人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
4027.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
4029.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
還有地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
4029.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
4031.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
怎麼樣保護我們的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
4031.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
4033.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
當他們沒有作為的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
4033.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
4035.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
到底家長要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
4035.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
4037.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
更何況我覺得像 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
4037.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
4039.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
也要來問外僑學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
4039.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
4041.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
到底是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
4042.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
4044.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
而安的死角 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
4044.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
4046.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
為什麼這樣提 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
4046.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
4048.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
當這個台北歐洲學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
4050.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
4052.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
家長來跟我們求助的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
4052.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
4054.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
他提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
4053.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
4055.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
他要調監視器 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
4055.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
4057.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
4055.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
4057.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
出社拿什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
4057.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
4059.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
拿我們的通用資料保護規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
4059.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
4061.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
我們的政府竟然拿這個規則說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
4061.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
4063.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
不可以調閱我們的監視器畫面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
4063.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
4065.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
還有請家長自己去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
4065.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
4067.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
提明刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
4067.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
4069.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
因為教育局不能處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
4069.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
4071.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
所以想問署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
4071.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
4073.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
請明確告訴我們外僑學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
4073.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
4075.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
在台灣辦學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
4075.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
4077.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
收的是我們台灣的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
4077.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
4079.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
到底要不要一樣遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
4079.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
4081.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
兒少犬法跟幼照法的相關規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
4081.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
4083.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
有些是一定要遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
4083.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
4085.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
有一些特殊的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
4085.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
4087.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
他們調查的適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
4087.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
4089.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
這個我們會做一個完整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
4089.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
4091.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
以及台北市政府如何回應委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
4091.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
4093.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
整個訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
4093.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
4095.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
我們完整的並入調查內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
4095.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
4097.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
剛剛所提的包含台北市 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
4097.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
4099.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
我們7月16號給他要求了之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
4099.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
4101.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
他相關的調查7月28號已經廢止 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
4101.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
4103.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
另外我們請他在8月10號前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
4103.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
4105.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
要把所有這整個處置的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
4105.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
4107.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
給我們說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
4107.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
4109.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
會並入委員剛才提醒的幾件事情的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
4109.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
4111.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
以上補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
4111.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
4113.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
我還是要講外僑學校在台灣辦學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
4113.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
4115.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
收的是我們台灣的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
4115.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
4117.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
為什麼跟其他台灣本來就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
4117.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
4119.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
我們本地的辦學的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
4119.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
4121.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
不太一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
4121.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
4123.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
再來就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
4124.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
4126.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
夏莉絲今年不是第一期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
4127.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
4131.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
那在2024年受害13個孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
4131.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
4133.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
教孩子學狗爬20分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
4133.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
4135.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
然後吃嘔吐物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
4135.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
4137.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
76期的不當對待 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
4137.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
4139.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
4141.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
4143.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
有怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
4143.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
4145.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
因為非常輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
4145.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
4147.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
到2026年現在7月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
4147.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
4149.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
然後家長面對這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
4149.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
4151.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
又來找我們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
4151.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
4153.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
奇怪啦你大安分園如果有發生這樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
4153.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
4155.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
為什麼集團式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
4155.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
4157.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
不會有等同去考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
4157.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
4159.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
就像我們去年開的記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
4159.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
4161.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
新北市某一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
4161.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
4163.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
有連鎖的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
4163.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
4165.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
他桃園也有新北也有台北也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
4165.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
4167.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
一家嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
4167.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
4169.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
結果好幾家都這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
4169.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
4171.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
要求在還是讓他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
4171.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
4173.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
甚至沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
4173.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
4175.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
只有一家你就裁處一家裁不很輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
4175.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
4177.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
接下來又下一家又發生這樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
4177.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
4179.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
甚至我剛才 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
4179.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
4181.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
也提過右家右耳遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
4181.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
4183.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
怎麼裂童的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
4183.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
4185.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
還可以到他連鎖的補習班 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
4185.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
4187.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
繼續上班然後每天孩子還要看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
4187.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
4189.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
這些人這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
4189.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
4191.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
合情合理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
4191.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
4193.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
孩子每天還是在恐懼當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
4193.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
4195.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
生活所以請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
4195.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
4197.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
署長一個右耳遠集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
4197.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
4199.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
分園已經發生耳虐事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
4199.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
4201.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
地方政府是不是應該提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
4201.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
4203.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
對同一個集團其他分園的監管 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
4203.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
4207.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
2024年大安分園出事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
4207.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
那2024 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
4209.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
4211.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
到底台北市政府2025 24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
4211.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
4213.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
有沒有去加強查緝其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
4213.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
4215.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
那有沒有針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
4215.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
4217.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
我們的下立師其他分園 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
4217.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
4219.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
甚至有沒有把這個集團列為高風險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
4219.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
4221.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
對象否則他的大安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
4221.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
4223.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
跟我們現在萬華 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
4223.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
4225.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
一樣的樣態對孩子這麼殘忍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
4225.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
4227.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
然後呼叭掌踹踢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
4227.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
4229.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
然後甚至強迫慣死 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
4229.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
4231.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
叫孩子學狗爬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
4230.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
4232.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
剛剛剛提到今年的這一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
4232.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
4234.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
那麼他同時有去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
4234.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
4236.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
就另外一個幼兒園以及他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
4236.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
4238.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
補習班還有托嬰中心總共 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
4238.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
4240.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
發生事情的這個幼兒園兩員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
4240.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
4242.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
補習班跟托嬰中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
4242.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
4244.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
都有一個查查那麼查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
4244.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
4246.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
查之後那麼還是集中在目前發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
4246.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].end |
4248.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
這個事情的這個幼兒園大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
4248.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
4250.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
14天內監視器發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
4250.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
4252.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
58起了大概這樣所以整體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].start |
4252.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
4254.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
是有一起做集團式的整整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
4254.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
4256.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
整理至於2024年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
4256.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
4258.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
那次的我們也去查一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
4258.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
4260.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
回溯看看他當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
4260.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
4262.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
發生的那個大安的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
4262.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
4264.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
署長是問你喔如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
4264.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
4266.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
已經是連鎖性的發生一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
4266.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
4268.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
那其他的到底要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
4268.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
4270.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
加強因為管理者都是同樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
4270.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
4272.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
一批人這很危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
4272.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
4274.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
也風險高而且我說去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
4274.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].end |
4276.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
我們開某一家他也是連鎖性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
4276.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
4278.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
果然他好幾家都發生這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
4278.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
4280.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
事情地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
4280.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
4282.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
採取的非常輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
4282.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
4284.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
那後來呢就會使得他這樣管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].start |
4284.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
4286.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
造成其他的無所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
4286.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
4288.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
所以其他縣市陸續爆發 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].start |
4289.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
4291.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
最後問你都有這一本是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
4291.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
4293.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
台北市不理你嗎你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
4293.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
4295.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
本來就有違法事件的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
4295.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
4297.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
參考的守則應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
4297.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
4299.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
要給心理諮商甚至目睹兒童 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
4299.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
4301.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
都要給受害的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
4301.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
4303.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
孩子都沒給我也懷疑目睹 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
4303.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
4305.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
的兒童有沒有給然後應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
4305.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
4307.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
要給調查報告應該給監視器 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].start |
4307.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
4309.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
甚至要停職都不做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
4309.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
4311.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
那算了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].start |
4311.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
4313.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
到底是來保護我們的孩子還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].start |
4313.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
4315.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
真的來保護地方政府還是在保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].start |
4315.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
4317.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
我們的加害人還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
4317.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
4319.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
一定要政府全力來保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
4319.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
4321.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
所以剛剛委員所提到的那一本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
4321.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
4323.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
我們會用那一本包含流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
4323.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
4325.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
或相關因處理的事項來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
4325.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
4327.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
檢視那麼他完整的報完 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
4327.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
4329.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
調查報告之後我們會做一一的檢視 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
4329.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
4331.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
4331.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
4333.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
我希望這幾起的甚至我剛剛提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
4333.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
4335.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
到現在至今這些狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
4335.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
4337.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
是不是可以給我一個檢討報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
4337.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
4339.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
讓我知道否則的話我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
4339.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
4341.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
一直這幾年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
4341.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
4343.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
每次受到家長這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
4343.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
4345.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
懲情性的時候我們真的非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
4345.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
4347.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
心痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
4346.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
4348.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
我們一直在催生可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
4348.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
4350.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
又沒有辦法去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
4350.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
4352.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
讓地方政府真的好好保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
4352.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
4354.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
我們的孩子這不會是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
4354.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
4356.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
我們台灣的福氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
4356.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
4358.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
謝謝委員謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
4357.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
4359.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
好謝謝林雨晴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
4359.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
4361.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
張委員的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
4361.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
4363.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
也謝謝我們官員的答詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
4363.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
4365.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
下一位我們請陳金慧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
4365.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
4367.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
4373.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
4375.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
謝謝主席想請衛福部時部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
4375.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
4377.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
謝謝各位官員還有委員的出席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].start |
4377.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
4379.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
好有請時部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].start |
4383.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
4385.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
好部長我們來回顧一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].start |
4385.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
4387.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
你上個禮拜開的記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].start |
4387.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
4389.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
我們先播一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
4389.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
4391.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
因為現在網路上很多人在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
4391.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
4393.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
模仿或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
4393.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
4395.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
在剪輯這一段會覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
4395.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
4397.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
很不太合理啊衛福部的長官 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
4397.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
4399.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
是應該要告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
4399.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
4401.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
怎麼樣可以保護自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
4401.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
4403.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
要多打疫苗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
4403.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
4405.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
要注意自己的健康要少吃這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
4405.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
4407.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
少吃那個那我們看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
4407.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
4409.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
陳時中政委講什麼我們多大聲一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
4411.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
4413.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
有風險喝水有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
4413.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
4415.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
但是要把風險管制在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
4415.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
4417.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
合理可接受的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
4417.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
4419.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
請問委員什麼油是可以吃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
4419.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
4421.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
什麼食品是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
4421.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
4423.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
沒有辦法要求所有的環境裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
4423.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
4425.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
完全是零風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
4425.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
4427.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
一個政府做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
4427.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
4429.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
連讓人民基本的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
4429.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
4431.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
吃得安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
4431 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
4433 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
都沒有辦法做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
4433 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
4435 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
要不要全部都下家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
4435 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
4437 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
那如果這樣做的話很快大家都沒有東西吃了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
4437 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
4439 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
你有沒有感覺到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].start |
4439 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
4441 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
對台灣人民有一絲的愧疚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
4443.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
4445.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
你坐在旁邊不會很尷尬嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
4445.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
4447.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
還是你認同我們出門 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
4447.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
4449.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
也有風險張開眼睛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
4449.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
4451.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
就有風險曬太陽也有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
4451.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
4453.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
喝水也有風險那當初後衣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
4453.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
4455.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
為什麼不把最後一個太陽也射掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
4456.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
4458.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
你認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
4458.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
4460.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
你是衛福部長管人民食品安全的長官 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
4460.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
4462.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
結果你們現在是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
4462.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
4464.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
告訴大家說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
4464.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
4466.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
做什麼都很有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
4466.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
4468.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
最安全的就是到室內喝一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
4468.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
4470.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
特定的飲料最安全是這樣子嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
4470.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
4472.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
不是委員你這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
4472.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
4474.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
剪輯啦你這個把它剪輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
4474.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
4476.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
兜起來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
4476.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
4478.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
這個叫社會溝通嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
4478.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
4480.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
他是有整個完整的論述 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
4480.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
4482.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
這個是中間去剪輯出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
4482.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
4484.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
我揣測 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
4484.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
4486.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
你這個論述是要講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
4486.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
4488.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
我們當初訂第二層不用下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
4488.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
4490.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
或者是20%以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
4490.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
4492.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
才要下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
4492.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
4494.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
這個是因為生活環境中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
4494.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
4496.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
任何食物都有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
4496.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
4498.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
如果我們沒有這樣子做的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
4498.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
4500.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
就沒有東西吃了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
4500.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
4502.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].text |
是這個意思嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
4502.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
4504.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
跟委員說明我們所有的食安都是根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
4504.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
4506.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
科學證據所以我們有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
4506.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
4508.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
是訂有安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
4508.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
4510.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
有一些是不得檢出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
4510.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
4512.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
所以它是有不同的管理的模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
4512.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
4514.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
所以我們是根據科學證據跟風險評估而來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
4514.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
4516.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
我們這次是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
4516.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
4518.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
我們這次是不能預期的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
4518.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
4520.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
我們這次是不能預期的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
4520.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
4522.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
我們這次是不能預期的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
4522.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
4524.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
這個跟曬太陽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
4524.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
4526.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
喝水 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
4526.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
4528.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
可以比擬的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
4529.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
4531.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
這個政委所講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
4531.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
4533.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
確實我們不可能生活在一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].start |
4533.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].end |
4535.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].text |
零風險的環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].start |
4535.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].end |
4537.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].text |
所以我們一方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].start |
4537.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].end |
4539.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
政府把關訂定相關的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].start |
4539.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
4541.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
一方面也教育民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].start |
4541.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].end |
4543.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].text |
如何去維護自己的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].start |
4543.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].end |
4545.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].text |
健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
4545.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
4547.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
他沒有教育民眾維護自己的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
4547.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].end |
4549.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].text |
他教育民眾全部下架就沒東西吃了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].start |
4549.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].end |
4551.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
我們看下一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
4552.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].end |
4554.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
這個到現在很多人都還很在意喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
4554.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].end |
4556.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
我說的在意的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].start |
4556.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
4558.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].text |
是不只在野黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
4558.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
4560.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
連陳其邁也很在意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
4560.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
4562.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
從頭到尾大家就想知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].start |
4562.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
4564.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
你們20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
4564.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
4566.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
什麼訂出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
4566.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
4568.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
這個會議記錄在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
4568.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].end |
4570.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
還有你們這些參加的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
4570.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].end |
4572.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
有誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].start |
4572.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
4574.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
我想先問第一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
4574.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
4576.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
你們這個專家會議裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].start |
4576.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
4578.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
有中聯公司列席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].start |
4578.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].end |
4580.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
我想問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
4580.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
4582.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
從事發到現在一個月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
4582.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
4584.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
你每天都把中聯講成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
4584.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
4586.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
最大二級的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
4586.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
4588.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
並且做所有的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
4588.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
4590.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
都是他延遲通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
4590.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].end |
4592.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
為什麼你要訂什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
4592.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
4594.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
下架什麼東西不下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
4594.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
4596.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
還有中聯公司列席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
4596.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
4598.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
這個是第一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
4598.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
4600.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
第二個問題這個列席的人請問他現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
4600.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
4602.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
是不是隨壓了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
4602.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
4604.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
4604.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
4606.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
這個專家會議他是有兩段的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
4606.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
4608.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
第一段是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
4608.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
4610.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
對中聯的這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
4610.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
4612.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
由專家來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
4612.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
4614.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
因為7月1號已經去實地查場了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
4614.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
4616.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
所以要對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
4616.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
4618.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
這個中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
4618.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
4620.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
到底他的問題在什麼地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
4620.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
4622.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
做出了因為他也提出他要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
4622.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
4624.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
他的這個所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
4624.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
4626.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
這個修正準備他要復工 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
4626.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
4628.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
我們才會在這個會議決定說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
4628.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
4630.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
沒有復工的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
4630.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
4632.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
以他所提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
4632.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
4634.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
修正的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
4634.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
4636.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
所以是根據要求他來報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
4636.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
4638.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
所以誰列席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
4638.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
4640.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
所以他前段 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
4640.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
4642.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
專家會議才會決定說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
4642.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
4644.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
沒有復工的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
4644.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
4646.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
第一個很重要的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
4646.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
4648.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
第二可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
4648.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
4650.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
你在保護加害人的個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
4651.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
4653.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
那天誰列席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
4653.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
4655.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
中聯公司誰列席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
4655.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
4657.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
你要請誰列席就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
4657.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
4659.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
誰嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
4659.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
4661.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
4661.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
4663.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
當然我們可以提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
4663.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
4665.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
我們的會議記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
4665.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
4667.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
都有提供給所知的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
4667.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
4669.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
所以我們都提供了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
4669.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
4671.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
所以今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
4671.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
4673.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
出席的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
4673.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
4675.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
你都可以提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
4675.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
4677.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
我等一下就所知 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
4677.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
4679.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
你現在就可以告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
4679.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
4681.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
4681.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
4683.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
4682.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
4684.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
同仁查一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
4684.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
4686.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
我們確認一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
4686.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
4688.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
我執行先跟我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
4688.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
4690.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
那其他的專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
4690.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
4692.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
你所知你願意給姓名嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
4692.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
4694.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
你願意給他們的背景嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
4694.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
4696.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
專家學者我們必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
4696.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
4698.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
遵循他的意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
4698.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
4700.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
我跟你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
4700.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
4702.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
以前萊豬啦核實啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
4702.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
4704.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
你們都開過很多專家學者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
4704.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
4706.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
你知道裡面有人是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
4706.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
4708.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
我們現在的署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
4708.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
4710.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
江志剛啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
4710.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
4712.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
如果你有專家學者的背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
4712.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
4714.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
你為什麼沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
4714.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
4716.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
在這個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
4715.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
4717.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
出示你的名字跟你的專業背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
4717.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
4719.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
為什麼不行請問是哪一條法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
4719.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
4721.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
你也把這個法條拿出來給我看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
4721.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
4723.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
4724.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
4726.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
陳其邁也很在意耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
4727.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
4729.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
我想喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
4729.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
4731.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
在這個事件已經把它過度政治化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
4731.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
4733.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
我們需要兩個會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
4733.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
4735.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
我們必須要讓這個委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
4735.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
4737.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
不要受到其他的干擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
4737.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
4739.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
不然以後我們要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
4739.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
4741.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
這個重大決定的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
4742.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
4744.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
4744.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
4746.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
所有黨派都很在意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
4746.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
4748.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
今天是連陳其邁都說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
4748.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
4750.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
把地方弄得一團亂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
4750.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
4752.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
所有黨派都很在意是哪裡政治化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
4752.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
4754.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
三個黨派都很在意的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
4754.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
4756.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
你拿出法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
4756.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
4758.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
你拿出一個法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
4758.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
4760.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
跟全民講你為什麼要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
4760.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
4762.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
保護這些人的個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
4762.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
4764.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
為什麼中聯公司的個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
4764.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
4766.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
這些專家訂出20%的個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
4766.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
4768.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
你為什麼要保護他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
4768.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
4770.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
這個專家的出席都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
4770.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
4772.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
有相關的背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
4772.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
4774.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
我們這個都可以查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
4774.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
4776.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
所以你的意思是說我等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
4776.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
4778.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
跟你要會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
4778.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
4780.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
你只會給我會議紀錄怎麼訂出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
4780.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
4782.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
可是你不會告訴我是誰訂出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
4782.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
4784.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
會議紀錄我們有委員所知 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
4784.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
4786.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
我們已經提供了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
4785.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
4787.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
裡面有姓名嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
4787.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
4789.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
這個姓名的部分我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
4789.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
4791.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
能夠再徵詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
4791.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
4793.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
委員的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
4794.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
4796.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
拜拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
4795.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
4797.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
4798.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
4800.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
難怪你們一開始說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
4800.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
4802.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
業者也是受害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
4802.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
4804.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
受害者也被找去參加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
4804.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
4806.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
討論20%下架的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
4806.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
4808.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
中聯絕對不是受害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
4808.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
4810.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
他是加害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
4810.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
4812.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
那一天主要是要針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
4812.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
4814.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
他提出要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
4814.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
4816.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
重新復工我們進行審查之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
4816.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
4818.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
跟他講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
4818.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
4820.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
不能夠再說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
4820.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
4822.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
是誰把他變得政治化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
4822.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
4824.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
你連有一次六都開會去窩滅 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
4824.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
4826.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
桃園台中副市長你到現在還沒有道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
4826.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
4828.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
你不敢公佈是誰把他搞得很政治化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
4828.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
4830.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
是你吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
4831.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
4833.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
我還是回到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
4833.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
4835.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
這個食安就是科學的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
4835.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
4837.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
那你要不要跟台中市桃園市副市長道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
4839.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
4841.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
當時我已經道歉過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
4841.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
4843.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
我記憶上沒有把他弄清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
4843.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
4845.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
所以不用公佈記錄了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
4845.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
4847.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
結果你後來回想起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
4847.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
4849.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
他們也沒講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
4849.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
4851.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
要不要公佈記錄不是我決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
4851.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
4853.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
這個是在行政院議員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
4853.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
4857.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
就是那個被收押的余總經理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
4857.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
4859.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
4860.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
4862.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
他已經被收押了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
4862.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
4864.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
連檢方都認為他從頭到尾都有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
4864.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
4866.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
竄證從頭到尾都有可能說謊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
4866.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
4868.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
然後你找他去討論我們20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
4868.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
4870.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
要不要下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
4871.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
4873.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
哇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
4872.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
4874.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
他沒有參與討論20%的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
4874.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
4876.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
他是來報告他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
4876.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
4878.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
4878.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
4880.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
然後我們的專家委員決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
4880.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
4882.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
不能夠復工 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
4882.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
4884.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
他第一時間就應該要被收押 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
4884.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
4886.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
這是第一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
4886.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
4888.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
能不能要不要收押 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
4888.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
4890.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
第二點你把他講的那麼糟糕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
4890.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
4892.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
從你一個月前的備詢把他講的這麼糟糕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
4892.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
4894.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
你還把他找來列行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
4894.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
4896.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
你就已經不相信他了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
4896.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
4898.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
民眾也不相信他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
4898.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
4900.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
你連他4月以前的郵有沒有出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
4900.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
4902.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
你還告訴我說他樣本都丟了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
4902.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
4904.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
他們提出要復工 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
4904.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
4906.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
我們當然要請他來報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
4906.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
4908.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
然後經過專家會議討論之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
4908.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
4910.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
決定不能復工 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
4910.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
4912.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
這個程序完全是正當 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
4913.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
4915.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
至於後面檢方發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
4915.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
4917.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
這個中間有竄逛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
4917.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
4919.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
或者之餘去把他收押 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
4919.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
4921.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
那個是另外一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
4921.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
4923.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
4923.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].end |
4925.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].text |
是不是行政疏失 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
4925.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].end |
4927.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
我要求你行政調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].start |
4927.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
4929.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
一中內提供報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].start |
4929.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
4931.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
因為你自己一開始也說怪怪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
4931.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
4933.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
聽到20%覺得怪怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
4933.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
4935.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
連你自己都覺得怪怪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
4935.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
4937.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
後來陳其邁也出來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
4937.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
4939.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
怎麼會誰定出這20%的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
4939.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
4941.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
這種事情你不用進入行政調查嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
4941.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
4943.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
這個你要不要給我報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
4943.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
4945.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
第一個報告我是要跟他會議記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
4945.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
4947.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
20%的會議記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].start |
4947.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
4949.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].text |
你自己內部不用行政調查嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].start |
4949.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
4951.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
請問要調查什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
4951.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
4953.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
請問要調查什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
4952.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
4954.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
你自己也說怪怪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
4954.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
4956.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
這個就是由專家會議討論出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
4956.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
4958.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
那你說陳其邁講出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
4958.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
4960.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
一開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
4960.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
4962.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
106年我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
4962.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
4964.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
從這個食品風險評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
4964.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
4966.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
不用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
4966.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
4968.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
上禮拜我就跟你討論過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
4968.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
4970.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
上禮拜你都說106年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
4970.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
4972.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
我說那你也可以加嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
4972.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
4974.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
加嚴可以定15%可以定10% |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
4974.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
4976.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
你為什麼要定20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
4976.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
4978.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
本來只有第一層下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
4978.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
4980.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
按照過去的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].start |
4980.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].end |
4982.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].text |
專家致意會的決定是第一層 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].start |
4982.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].end |
4984.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].text |
所以這個7月4號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].start |
4984.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].end |
4986.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].text |
的會議其實專家的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].start |
4986.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].end |
4988.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].text |
是加嚴的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].start |
4988.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].end |
4990.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].text |
他是20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].start |
4990.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].end |
4992.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].text |
10%不就更加嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].start |
4992.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].end |
4994.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].text |
15%更加嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].start |
4994.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].end |
4996.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].text |
所有都是按照科學證據風險評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].start |
4996.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].end |
4998.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].text |
有專家大家討論出來的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].start |
4998.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].end |
5000.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].text |
所以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].start |
5000.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].end |
5002.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].text |
程序上都跟過去的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].start |
5002.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].end |
5004.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].text |
一樣即使我們後面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].start |
5004.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].end |
5006.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].text |
要確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].start |
5006.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].end |
5008.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].text |
程序上都跟過去的程序一樣表示過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].start |
5008.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].end |
5010.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].text |
現在也可以公布名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].start |
5010.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].end |
5012.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].text |
萊豬也很有爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].start |
5012.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].end |
5014.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].text |
核實也很有爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].start |
5014.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].end |
5016.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].text |
大家每一個專家名單都 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
5016.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].end |
5018.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].text |
坦蕩蕩的出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].start |
5018.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].end |
5020.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].text |
我們詢問過專家之後會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].start |
5022.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].end |
5024.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].text |
按照專家的意願來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].start |
5024.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].end |
5026.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].text |
我跟你說如果你沒有要交 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].start |
5026.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
5028.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].text |
行政調查報告就表示陳其邁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].start |
5028.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].end |
5030.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].text |
說的是錯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].start |
5030.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].end |
5032.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].text |
那每一次質詢我第一頁就會問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
5032.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
5034.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].text |
這個我會做一個電子儀標板 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].start |
5034.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
5036.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].text |
你沒有要調查20%這個決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].start |
5036.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
5038.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].text |
滾動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].start |
5038.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].end |
5040.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].text |
滾到這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].start |
5040.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
5042.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].text |
食物本來都在架上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].start |
5042.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].end |
5044.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].text |
後來全部下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].start |
5044.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
5046.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
這個行政責任沒有人要負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
5047.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
5049.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
你自己說你上禮拜還說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].start |
5049.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
5051.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
你會有負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
5051.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].end |
5053.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].text |
所有的處理都是按照科學的證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
5053.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].end |
5055.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].text |
風險的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].start |
5055.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].end |
5057.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].text |
動態的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].start |
5057.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].end |
5059.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].text |
任何事件都是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].start |
5059.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].end |
5061.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].text |
科學的證據你自己還會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].start |
5061.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
5063.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
自己怪怪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].start |
5063.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].end |
5065.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].text |
後來陳其邁還會罵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].start |
5065.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].end |
5067.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].text |
就表示說石崔堂是對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].start |
5067.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].end |
5069.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].text |
我跟委員一樣都不是食品的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].start |
5069.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].end |
5071.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].text |
所以我們當然要尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].start |
5071.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].end |
5073.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].text |
專家的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].start |
5073.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].end |
5075.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].text |
所以你的意思說陳其邁也不是食品的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].start |
5075.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].end |
5077.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].text |
所以他講錯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].start |
5077.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].end |
5079.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].text |
不需要有人去追究20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].start |
5079.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
5081.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].text |
行政責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].start |
5081.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
5083.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].text |
這個都是按照程序走 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].start |
5083.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].end |
5085.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].text |
我不認為這是什麼行政責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].start |
5085.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
5087.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
再來我們來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].start |
5087.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
5089.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].text |
幾種上禮拜有人在講到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].start |
5089.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
5091.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].text |
蘋果放寬容許值 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].start |
5091.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].end |
5093.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].text |
我今天整理出不只蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].start |
5093.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
5095.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].text |
還有很多水果以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].start |
5095.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].end |
5097.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].text |
大家每天都可能吃到的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].start |
5097.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].end |
5099.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].text |
居然在今年一下子放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].start |
5099.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].end |
5101.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].text |
非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].start |
5101.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].end |
5103.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].text |
我以前質詢過113年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].start |
5103.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].end |
5105.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].text |
草莓邊境攔下很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].start |
5105.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
5107.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].text |
違規的草莓後來呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].start |
5107.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].end |
5109.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
食藥署那個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].start |
5109.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
5111.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].text |
3月29就公佈說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].start |
5111.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
5113.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].text |
要修正容許值 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
5113.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
5115.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].text |
讓它高一點4月1號就施行了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].start |
5115.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
5117.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].text |
我從我開始質詢到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
5117.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].end |
5119.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].text |
我全部再去找一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
5119.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
5121.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
結果發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
5121.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
5123.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].text |
草莓一口氣開了12支農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].start |
5123.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].end |
5125.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].text |
其中11支標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
5125.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
5127.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].text |
根本沒有這一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
5127.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
5129.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].text |
也就是本來都是不得減出的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
5129.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
5131.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].text |
然後也沒有任何 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
5131.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
5133.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].text |
申請人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
5133.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
5135.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].text |
是政府主動要申請的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
5135.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
5137.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
這個跟王毓民委員問到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
5137.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
5139.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
還有一家一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
5139.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
5141.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
駐插化學 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
5141.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
5143.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
全部都是外國的機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
5143.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
5145.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
外國的農藥公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
5145.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
5147.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
提出申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
5147.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
5149.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
食藥署要做的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
5149.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
5151.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
你每天跟我們要預算說你們要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
5151.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
5153.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
加強去稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
5153.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].end |
5155.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].text |
加強查出哪一些違規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
5155.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
5157.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
結果呢你們做了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
5157.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
5159.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
你們是開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
5159.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
5161.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
更多本來零減出的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
5161.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
5163.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
的容許值 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
5164.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
5166.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
這個你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
5166.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
5168.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
這個還是一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
5168.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
5170.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
食案就是一個科學的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
5170.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
5172.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
都要經過風險的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
5172.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
5174.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
等一下我都幫你回答就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
5174.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
5176.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
這邊又有好多專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
5176.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
5178.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
然後等一下再一份份跟你要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
5178.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
5180.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
然後你要再去跟專家問他們的名字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
5180.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
5182.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
可不可以被公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
5182.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
5184.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
那等一下我幫你回答就好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
5185.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
5187.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
表示委員很清楚我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
5187.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
5189.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
我們開下一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
5188.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
5190.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
蘋果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
5189.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
5191.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
這個王一鳴我要問了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
5191.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
5193.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
你一口氣放寬了六倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
5193.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
5195.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
我問你兩個問題就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
5195.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
5197.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].start |
5197.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
5199.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
業者提供26廠次的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
5199.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
5201.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
22廠不符 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
5201.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].end |
5203.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
你們只用了4個廠次的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
5203.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
5205.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
這是第一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
5207.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
5209.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
他才4個廠次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
5209.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
5211.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
所有在訂這些標準的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].start |
5211.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
5213.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
不是簡單的加減乘除 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
5213.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
5215.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
他都是經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
5215.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
5217.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
這個實驗上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].start |
5217.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].end |
5219.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].text |
收集數據符合我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].start |
5219.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].end |
5221.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].text |
要求標準才能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].start |
5221.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].end |
5223.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].text |
被採納的科學證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
5223.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
5225.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
所以即使是數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].start |
5225.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
5227.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
他不是簡單的加減乘除 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].start |
5227.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
5229.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
那你看第二個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
5229.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
5231.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].text |
最後你們用了4廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
5231.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
5233.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
很荒謬的是26廠你們只用了4廠數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].start |
5233.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
5235.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].text |
很怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
5235.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
5237.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].text |
這個就是我們採取嚴謹的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].start |
5237.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
5239.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].text |
4廠數據的殘留量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
5239.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].end |
5243.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].text |
訂出來是0.48到1.125ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
5243.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
5245.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].text |
你們把容許值修到3ppm |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
5245.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
5247.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].text |
你看看右邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
5247.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
5249.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].text |
日本自己訂2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
5249.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
5251.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
歐盟0.01 澳洲0.00 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
5251.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
5253.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].text |
這個是用推估的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
5253.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
5255.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
去做出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
5255.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
5257.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].text |
但因為我們要設的是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
5257.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].end |
5259.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].text |
容許值 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
5259.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
5261.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
不是一個絕對值 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
5261.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
5263.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
同一個分譜你拿 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
5263.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
5265.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].text |
你回去看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
5265.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
5267.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].text |
你回去看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
5267.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
5269.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].text |
26廠次你用了4廠次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
5269.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
5271.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
零頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
5271.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
5273.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
6個廠次你就用了6個廠次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].start |
5276.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
5278.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].text |
沒有我們就是看看你的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
5278.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
5280.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
一切依照科學的標準每一頁要回答到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
5280.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
5282.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
哪一頁嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
5282.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
5284.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
再來葡萄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
5284.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
5286.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
這個也是全部都是食藥署的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
5286.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
5288.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
食藥署裡面會有一個資料會講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
5288.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
5290.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
每一個農藥可能造成什麼影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
5290.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
5292.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
然後根據國際的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
5292.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
5294.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
是什麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
5294.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
5296.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
這個是葡萄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
5296.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
5298.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
葡萄它裡面講了一個亞派戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
5298.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
5300.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
它說美國環保署 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
5300.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
5302.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
劃分為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
5302.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
5304.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
likely to be carcinogenic |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
5304.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
5306.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
癌症專家走了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].start |
5307.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].end |
5309.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].text |
有可能會致癌的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
5309.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].end |
5311.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].text |
有可能會致癌喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].start |
5311.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
5313.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
你本來這裡面根本是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
5313.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
5315.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].text |
零檢出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].start |
5315.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
5317.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].text |
也是因為有人提出申請你把它開放到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].start |
5317.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].end |
5319.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].text |
4ppm這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].start |
5321.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
5323.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
5322.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
5324.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
你講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
5324.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
5326.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
你大概不了解這整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
5326.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
5328.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
的制定的程序啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
5328.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
5330.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].text |
第一個呢這所有的農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].start |
5330.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
5332.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
是有人施用的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
5332.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
5334.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].text |
我們才會去訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].start |
5334.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
5336.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].text |
我們不會一下子把所有的農藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
5336.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
5338.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
通通拿來訂標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
5338.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
5340.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
一定要有人施用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].start |
5340.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].end |
5342.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].text |
有施用我們才會進入科學評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].start |
5342.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].end |
5344.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].text |
科學評估的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
5344.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
5346.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].text |
必須含納了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].start |
5346.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].end |
5348.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
健康風險評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].start |
5348.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].end |
5350.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].text |
跟施重的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].start |
5350.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].end |
5352.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].text |
以及當地的疾病 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
5352.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
5354.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].text |
這些農作物的疾病 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].start |
5354.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
5356.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
相關的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
5356.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
5358.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
以及人體的食用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
5358.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
5360.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
我等一下列給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].start |
5360.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
5362.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
你13年到15年開放了多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
5362.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
5364.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
第一風險評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
5364.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
5366.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
你剛剛講的很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
5366.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
5368.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
我們的風險評估只有訂19到65歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
5368.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
5370.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
60公斤成年人每天的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].start |
5370.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
5372.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
這個攝取的習慣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
5372.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
5374.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
等等訂出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
5374.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
5376.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
你回去翻 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].start |
5376.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
5378.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].text |
114年你放開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].start |
5377.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
5379.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
櫻桃你有寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
5379.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].end |
5381.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].text |
其他族群應該是脆弱族群 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].start |
5381.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
5383.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
小朋友或老人的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
5383.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
5385.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
蘋果你就沒分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
5385.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
5387.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
你也沒告訴我們為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].start |
5387.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
5389.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
你也沒告訴我們為什麼每一種水果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
5389.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
5391.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
標準不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
5391.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
5393.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
場次不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
5393.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
5395.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
或者是沒有根據不同的族群的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
5395.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
5397.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
食用習慣去訂出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
5397.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
5399.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
今年最誇張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
5399.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
5401.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
174項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].start |
5401.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
5403.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
有173項是加寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].start |
5403.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
5405.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
容許值放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
5405.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
5407.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
173項是向下調降 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].start |
5407.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
5409.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
就是我剛剛講的櫻桃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
5409.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
5411.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
你覺得有脆弱族群特定族群 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
5411.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
5413.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
可能短期內食用非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
5413.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
5415.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
而這173項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
5415.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
5417.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
158是不得減出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].start |
5417.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
5419.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
現在它有容許值了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
5419.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
5421.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
15項是往上提高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].start |
5421.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
5423.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
然後更誇張的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
5424.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
5426.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
113年跟今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
5426.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
5428.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
是你開放最多放寬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
5428.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
5430.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
我看了一下左邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
5430.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
5432.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
全部都是我們都會吃的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
5432.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
5434.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
蘋果草莓柳橙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
5434.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
5436.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
柑橘類茶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
5436.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
5438.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
然後你看最後一邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
5438.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
5440.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
驗出及違規的國家有這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
5440.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
5442.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
你在這一個月的備詢裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
5442.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
5444.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
你掛在嘴上的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
5444.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
5446.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
一切以風險評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
5446.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
5448.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
專家科學理性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
5448.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
5450.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
接軌國際 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
5450.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
5452.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
人家有的東西你都有你接軌了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
5452.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
5454.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
人家沒有的東西你放寬了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
5454.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
5456.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
你這樣叫接軌嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
5458.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
5461.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
跟委員說明台灣不是一個農糧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
5461.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
5463.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
可以完全自給自足的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
5463.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
5466.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
所以我們必須要有進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
5466.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
5469.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
所以各國對於農藥的施作不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
5469.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
5472.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
所以我們才會依據科學的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
5472.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
5474.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
然後參考了其他世界上的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
5474.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
5476.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
然後去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
5476.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
5478.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
召開專家會議去評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
5478.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
5480.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
驗出及違規這些國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
5480.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
5482.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
這些國家也不堪考了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
5482.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
5484.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
美國、歐盟、澳洲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
5484.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
5486.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
我們常常放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
5486.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
5488.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
就掛在嘴巴上的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
5488.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
5490.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
國內沒有用、國外會用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
5490.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
5492.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
那我們就會去定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
5492.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
5494.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
這就是為國人的健康標準把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
5494.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
5496.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
然後也讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
5496.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
5498.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
這個食物能夠足夠供應國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
5498.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
5500.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
大家看到這張表 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
5500.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
5502.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
只會知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
5502.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
5504.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
知道為什麼了原來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
5504.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
5506.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
我們有風險、喝水也有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
5506.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
5508.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
然後我們訂出來的容許值 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
5508.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
5510.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
居然其他國家是沒有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
5510.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
5512.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
5512.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
5514.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
我們這個都是有累積的計算方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
5514.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
5516.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
去提出來的科學標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
5516.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
5518.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
第一個所知我要20%的會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
5518.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
5520.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
第二個所知 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
5520.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
5522.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
我要你們訂出這些標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
5522.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
5524.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
誰可以修改申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
5524.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
5526.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
申請有什麼條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
5526.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
5528.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
審查要用什麼基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
5528.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
5530.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
還有審查委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
5530.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
5532.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
跟申請人有沒有利害關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
5532.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
5534.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
這些都完全沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
5534.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
5536.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
這些東西我們會跟你要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
5536.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
5538.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
我們會發文跟你要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
5538.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
5540.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
至於行政責任的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
5540.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
5542.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
我們也會每天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
5542.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
5544.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
訂20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
5544.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
5546.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
這個行政調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
5546.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
5548.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
到底什麼時候會產出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
5548.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
5550.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
我們會做一個電子儀表板 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
5550.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
5552.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
讓全國人知道原來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
5552.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
5554.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
三天內、五天內修改政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
5554.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
5556.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
無數次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
5556.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
5558.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
官員是不用負責的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
5558.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
5560.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
也不用交報告的這個我們也會訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
5560.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
5564.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
這個完全按照我們過去的程序在進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
5564.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
5566.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
我想沒有什麼問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
5566.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
5568.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
好謝謝陳金輝委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
5568.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
5570.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
接下來請邱惠璐委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
5581.84 |
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5583.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
5585.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
5587.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
主席還有各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
5587.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
5589.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
各位政府部門的官員大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
5589.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
5591.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
有請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
5594.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
5596.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
好委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
5620.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
5622.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
其實尊嚴善終 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
5622.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
5624.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
我看貴黨團所提出的叫尊嚴善終法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
5624.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
5626.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
其實我們的目標是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
5626.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
5628.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
都是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
5628.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
5630.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
讓這個病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
5630.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
5632.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
能夠按照自主的意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
5632.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
5634.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
尊嚴善終 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
5634.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
5636.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
我想這個目標是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
5636.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
5638.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
在做法上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
5638.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
5640.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
其實它有一些漸進式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
5640.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
5642.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
我們是先採取比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
5642.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
5644.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
消極 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
5644.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
5646.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
如果你要說我們現在的病主法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
5646.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
5648.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
其實它也是一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
5648.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
5650.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
消極的安樂死 |
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5650.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
5652.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
就是說按照疾病的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
5652.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
5654.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
不多外力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
5654.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
5656.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
那麼現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
5656.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
5658.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
我看了這個民眾黨所提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
5658.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
5660.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
5660.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
5662.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
其實相當的詳細 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
5662.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
5664.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
條文也相當的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].start |
5664.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
5666.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
安寧緩和調條例是消極的安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
5666.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
5668.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
我直接問積極的安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
5668.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
5670.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
請問你接受嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
5670.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
5672.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
這個需要來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
5672.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].end |
5674.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
需要來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
5674.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
5676.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
所以是支持還是不支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
5676.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
5678.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
在概念上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].start |
5678.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
5680.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
尊嚴善終我們大家是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
5680.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].end |
5682.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
那只是做法上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
5682.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
5684.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
從積極的安樂死到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
5684.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
5686.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
我現在就是在講積極的安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
5686.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
5688.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
因為台灣現在已經有水利上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
5688.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
5690.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
消極的安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
5690.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
5692.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
也就是安寧緩和醫療條例跟病人自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
5692.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
5694.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
那是用消極的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
5694.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
5696.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
消極的不作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
5696.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
5698.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
不給予CPR不給予茶館 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
5698.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
5700.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
不給予人工營養 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
5700.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
5702.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
這些都是消極不作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
5702.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
5704.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
我現在問的就是積極的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
5704.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
5706.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
積極的安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
5706.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
5708.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
請問您支持嗎還是反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
5709.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
5711.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
還是這個答案是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
5711.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
5713.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
我剛剛提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
5713.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
5715.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
因為您有一點答非所問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
5715.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
5717.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
我是問積極的你扯到消極的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
5717.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
5719.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
我必須要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
5719.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
5721.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
這個不是個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
5721.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
5723.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
那以時同良個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
5723.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
5725.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
5725.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
5727.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
是採取 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
5727.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
5729.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
如果你問我個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
5729.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
5731.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
我以醫師的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
5731.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
5733.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
我是不會去執行積極安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
5733.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
5735.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
5735.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
5737.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
所以你就是反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
5737.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
5739.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
從醫師的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
5739.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
5741.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].text |
那衛福部長的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
5741.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
5743.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
但是從政策的角度上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
5743.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
5745.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
我們必須為了達成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
5745.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
5747.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
病人的尊嚴善忠的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
5747.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
5749.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
不斷的來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
5749.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
5751.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].text |
定住一個完善的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
5751.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
5753.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].text |
不斷的那可能就是往未來期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
5753.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
5755.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].text |
目前是不支持安樂死的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
5755.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
5757.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
那我想請問您支持安樂死公投嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
5759.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
5761.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
就是說應該要來推動安樂死公投 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
5761.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
5763.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
交付社會來對安樂死的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
5763.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
5765.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
我認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
5765.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
5767.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
這個題目涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
5767.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
5769.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].text |
生命法義 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
5769.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
5771.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
不是簡單的公投議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
5771.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
5773.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
它應該經過社會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
5773.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
5775.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
充分溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
5775.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
5777.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
不是yes or no這麼簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
5777.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].end |
5779.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
公投沒有要表達yes or no |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
5779.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
5781.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
也是要收集大家的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
5781.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
5783.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
因為你的書面報告今天呈現出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
5783.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
5785.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].text |
要收集資料凝聚社會共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
5785.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
5787.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
那請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
5787.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
5789.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
如果你要透過公投你要怎麼樣凝聚社會共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
5789.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
5791.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
公投就是一種方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
5791.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
5793.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].text |
公投是一種最好的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
5793.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
5795.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
也就是賴清德口中所言的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
5795.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
5797.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
最大的民主廣泛的收集 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
5797.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
5799.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
就像我們的報告裡面有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
5799.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
5801.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
它涉及的層面非常寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
5801.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
5803.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
所以應該要多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
5803.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
5805.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
就是說好像有點在迴避的那種感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
5805.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
5807.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
就是說好像有點在迴避的那種感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
5807.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
5809.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
其實就是支持或不支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
5809.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
5811.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
就是一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
5811.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
5813.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].text |
其實就很好表達那感覺你好像在迴轉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
5813.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].end |
5815.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].text |
然後再繞然後再迴避的感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
5815.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
5817.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
我不認為這個是一個好的公投的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
5817.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
5819.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
我不覺得安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
5819.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
5821.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
所以你不支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
5821.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
5823.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
更多的討論因為這個討論的層面是非常大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
5823.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
5825.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
所以為何不支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
5825.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
5827.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
收集意見也支持凝聚社會共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
5827.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
5829.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
但不建議用公投的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
5829.16 |
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來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
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好那接著我問 |
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就是因為你們的司長 |
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5837.16 |
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有曾經接受採訪提到說安樂死不能夠解決現在的問題 |
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反而按您緩和疫調條例才能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
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那我現在問一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
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請問一下這個四十八歲的弟弟 |
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他就跑到瑞士去接受安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
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那就是目前的安寧緩和 |
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5849.16 |
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醫療條例不能解決他的問題 |
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他才求助於瑞士的安樂死制度 |
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那為什麼你們覺得安樂死不能解決問題 |
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反而是安寧緩和醫療條例才能夠解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
5855.16 |
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5857.16 |
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安寧緩和醫療條例如果對 |
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個案他不是默契病人 |
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他根本走不進去安寧緩和醫療條例的世界 |
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我們有多少人是默契病人 |
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其實沒有 |
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5867.16 |
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有很多需求的人他們不是默契病人 |
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5869.16 |
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他走不進去安寧緩和醫療條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
5869.16 |
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5871.16 |
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他根本走不進去安寧緩和醫療條例的世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
5871.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
5873.16 |
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他根本走不進去安寧緩和醫療條例的世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
5873.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
5875.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
他安寧緩和醫療條例解決不了他的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
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5877.16 |
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他根本走不進去安寧緩和醫療條例解決不了他的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
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5879.16 |
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所以跟你們這邊講的相反 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
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5881.16 |
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你們是覺得安寧緩和條例可以解決問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
5881.16 |
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5883.16 |
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安樂死不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
5883.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
5885.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
我們不論是目前的安寧緩和條例或病主法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
5885.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
5887.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
我們不論是目前的安寧緩和條例或病主法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
5887.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
5889.69 |
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他在執行這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
5889.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
5891.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
預定醫療他的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
5891.69 |
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其實都是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
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5895.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
5895.75 |
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5897.75 |
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生命的默契去進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
5897.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
5899.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
但48歲的弟弟不是默契 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
5899.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
5901.75 |
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你的生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
5901.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
5903.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
你的生命已經在可預期的中逼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
5903.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
5905.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
所以他走不進去安寧緩和醫療條例的世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
5905.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
5907.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
我們才會用這個方式來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
5909.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
請問一下部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
5911.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
剛剛您提的這個個案呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
5911.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
5913.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
他的判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
5913.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
5915.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
他不是默契病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
5915.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
5917.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
所以安寧緩和條例不能解決他的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
5917.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
5919.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
是沒有辦法馬上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
5921.75 |
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就是以這個消極的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
5923.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
去讓他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
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5925.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
所以反而是應該要積極的協助他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
5925.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
5927.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
積極的協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
5929.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
所以他跑到瑞士去尋求安樂死的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
5929.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
5931.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
5931.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
5933.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
不論是我們的醫療跟社會的協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
5935.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
都應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
5935.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
5937.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
所以我只是想要跟衛福部溝通說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
5937.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
5939.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
你們不能夠武斷的說安樂死不能解決問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
5939.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
5941.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
安寧緩和要條例才能解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
5941.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
5943.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
事實上我們看到的案例就是相反 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
5943.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
5945.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
安寧緩和醫療條例解決不了問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
5945.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
5947.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
是安樂死才可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
5949.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
那當然安樂死是一個有爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
5949.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
5951.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
需要凝聚社會共識的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
5951.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
5953.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
好來接著問好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
5953.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
5955.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
市長也有提到說喊病本來就是在病人自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
5955.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
5957.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
的範圍之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
5957.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
5959.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
那只要透過預立醫療決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
5959.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
5961.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
然後在疾病末期的時候就有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
5961.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
5963.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
拒絕醫療的權利所以可以達到相同的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
5963.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
5965.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
請問一下這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
5965.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
5967.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
地底他能夠使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
5967.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
5969.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
病人自主權利法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
5969.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
5971.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
不能因為病人自主權利法的第五 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
5971.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
5973.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
款有規定11種病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
5973.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
5975.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
他不在這個範圍之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
5975.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
5977.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
之外還有他要啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
5977.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
5979.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
使用病人自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
5979.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
5981.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
給他上中的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
5981.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
5983.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
只有一個要件就是他必須在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
5983.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
5985.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
幾乎是接近疾病末期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
5985.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
5987.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
這個地底48歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
5987.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
5989.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
他什麼時候才能夠接近疾病末期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
5989.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
5991.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
也可能是十年後也可能是二十年後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
5991.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
5993.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
但是他目前就有需要了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
5993.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
5995.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
因為他想尊嚴三中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
5995.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
5997.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
所以你們說病人自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
5997.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
5999.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
可以達到跟安樂死相同的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
5999.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
6001.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
根本達到不了因為這個48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
6001.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
6003.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
歲的地底現在如果要透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
6003.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
6005.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
病人自主權利法他沒有辦法尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
6005.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
6007.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
三中然後他只能夠去瑞士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
6007.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
6009.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
尋求安樂死才能夠尊嚴三中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
6009.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
6011.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
一個是不可以一個是可以請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
6011.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
6013.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
怎麼可能怎麼會得出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
6013.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
6015.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
一個結論說會達到相同的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
6015.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
6017.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
我想請教部長就如同委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
6017.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
6019.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
你也同意安樂死是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
6019.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
6021.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
充滿社會爭議的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
6021.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
6023.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
我本人是贊同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
6023.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
6025.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
我本人非常贊同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
6025.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
6027.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
但是我們從歷史上來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
6027.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
6029.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
也是一樣我們的安寧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
6031.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
黃河表演現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
6031.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
6033.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
多於反對的意見社會的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
6033.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
6035.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
不一樣的所以社會是在進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
6035.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
6037.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
社會在進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
6037.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
6039.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
在2000年以前我們沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
6039.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
6041.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
安寧黃河條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
6041.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
6043.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
2000年才有安寧黃河條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
6043.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
6045.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
所以我們以下之一是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
6047.75 |
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2019年我們就 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
6047.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
6049.75 |
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實施了這個病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
6049.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
6051.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
自主權利法所以這個社會會進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
6051.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
6053.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
的所以你的意思是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
6055.75 |
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台灣未來會執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
6055.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
6057.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
以你身為部長你覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
6059.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
台灣的成熟度要多少年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
6059.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
6061.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
之後才會通過安樂死三度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
6061.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
6063.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
我沒有辦法去預期 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
6063.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
6065.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
我們到2000年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
6065.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
6067.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
我們在2000年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
6067.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
6069.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
才有安寧黃河 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
6069.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
6071.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
可是很快的在十幾年後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
6071.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
6073.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
我們又有了病人自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
6073.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
6075.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
請問一下部長 施長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
6075.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
6077.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
病人自主權利法跟安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
6077.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
6079.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
一樣可以達到相同的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
6079.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
6081.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
請問您認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
6082.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
6084.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
我剛剛已經提過我們都在朝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
6084.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
6086.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
尊嚴善終的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
6086.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
6088.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
在努力啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
6090.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
那你就講不出時間表 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
6090.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
6092.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
如果今天身為一個負責任的部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
6092.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
6094.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
應該給我們一個例如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
6094.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
6096.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
兩年三年讓這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
6096.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
6098.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
期待透過安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
6098.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
6100.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
的方式來尊嚴善終的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
6100.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
6102.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
看到未來一絲曙光 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
6102.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
6104.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
來我問一個問題 醫師施了施長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
6104.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
6106.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
安樂死是因為痛苦解決病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
6106.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
6108.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
安寧黃河醫療條例是因為病人解決痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
6108.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
6110.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
完全很像繞口令 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
6110.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
6112.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
那我橫批一句不知所云 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
6112.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
6114.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
請部長幫我們開示這句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
6114.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
6116.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
什麼叫做安樂死是因為痛苦解決病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
6116.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
6118.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
安寧黃河醫療條例是因為病人解決痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
6118.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
6120.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
幫我們開示這兩句話當中的差別好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
6126.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
6128.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
為什麼一個是解決病人一個是解決痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
6130.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
可以部長幫我們開示一下嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
6130.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
6132.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
我想在安寧黃河醫療當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
6132.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
6134.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
的疼痛控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
是很重要的一環 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
6138.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
所以它有pan control |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
6140.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
所以在安寧黃河 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].start |
6140.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
6142.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
醫療的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
6142.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].end |
6144.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].text |
當然是在解決病人的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
6144.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].end |
6146.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].text |
但是今天的安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
6146.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
6148.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
最後不思於插管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
6148.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
6150.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
在安樂死的法案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
6150.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
6152.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
特別提到一個比較容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
6152.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
6154.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
讓大家爭議的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
6156.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].text |
就是因為痛苦無法解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
6156.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
6158.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
就施行安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
6158.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
6160.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
什麼叫做無法忍受痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
6160.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
6162.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
這個當然它就 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
6164.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
其實剛剛也提到疏作法不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
6164.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
6166.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].text |
一個是透過積極的手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
6166.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
6168.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
那個叫做安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
6168.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
6170.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
消極的手段叫做安寧黃河醫療條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
6170.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
6172.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
兩個都是相同的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
6174.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].text |
只是因為它的手段不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
6174.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
6176.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].text |
那怎麼會一個是解決痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
6176.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
6178.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].text |
一個是解決病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
6178.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
6180.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
所以我覺得這個是不是失言了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
6180.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
6182.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].text |
而且這個聽在這個有需求的人的眼中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
6182.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
6184.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
其實也覺得蠻殘酷蠻冷漠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
6184.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
6186.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].text |
蠻不食人間煙火 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
6186.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].end |
6188.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
所以我覺得橫批就是不知所云 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
6188.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
6190.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].text |
好來那現在簡單講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
6190.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
6192.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].text |
就是我們柯文哲主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
6192.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
6194.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
就提到這個48歲的弟弟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
6194.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].end |
6196.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
其實他就是因為照顧自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
6196.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].end |
6198.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
喊病的媽媽 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
6198.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
6200.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
然後知道這整個照顧過程非常的漫長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
6200.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
6202.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
然後他自己日後有可能會面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
6202.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
6204.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
然後再加上長照的量能又不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
6204.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
6206.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
所以他做了審慎的評估之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
6206.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
6208.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
他覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
6208.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
6210.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].text |
他要到瑞士去接受安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
6210.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
6212.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
所以一句話啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
6212.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
6214.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
如果人可以活得下去為什麼要選擇死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].start |
6214.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
6216.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].text |
是不是長照的量能不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].start |
6216.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
6218.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
然後人沒有辦法尊嚴善終 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
6218.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
6220.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
所以安樂死就成為這個無奈的解方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].start |
6220.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
6222.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
部長請問你認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
6224.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
6226.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
長照量能不足安樂死就成為這個無奈的解方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
6226.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
6228.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
如果是從委員的這個論點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
6228.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
6230.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
那更不應該有安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
6230.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
6232.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
讓他合法化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
6232.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
6234.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
因為其他國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
6234.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
6236.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
在安樂死有實行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
6236.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
6238.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
最擔心的就是委員所提出的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
6238.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
6240.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
那就是因為對整個政府的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
6240.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].end |
6242.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
經濟的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].start |
6242.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].end |
6244.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].text |
或社會的支持不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].start |
6244.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].end |
6246.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].text |
然後變成壓垮多多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].start |
6246.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].end |
6248.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
最後一根倒爬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].start |
6248.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].end |
6250.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
我想社會的資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].start |
6250.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
6252.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
的局應該就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
6252.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
6254.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
資源的局應該就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
6254.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
6256.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
不應該是用這樣的論點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].start |
6256.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].end |
6258.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
但你們又接不起這個病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].start |
6258.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].end |
6260.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].text |
接不起這個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].start |
6260.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].end |
6262.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].text |
又不准他去接受安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].start |
6262.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
6264.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
其實這也是不食人間煙火的一個看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].start |
6264.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].end |
6266.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
我們柯主席說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].start |
6266.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].end |
6268.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].text |
要去思考醫生最大的敵人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].start |
6268.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].end |
6270.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].text |
到底是病人的死亡還是病人的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].start |
6270.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].end |
6272.17 |
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如果敵人是病人的死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].start |
6272.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
6274.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
那麼我們就為了病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].start |
6274.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].end |
6276.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
一路拼到底給他一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].start |
6276.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
6278.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].text |
康復的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].start |
6278.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].end |
6280.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].text |
但是如果是選擇病人的痛苦那就要討論他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].start |
6280.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].end |
6282.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].text |
有沒有生命的自主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].start |
6282.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].end |
6284.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].text |
所以剛我們一路講下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].start |
6284.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].end |
6286.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].text |
不管是積極的安樂死或消極的安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].start |
6286.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].end |
6288.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].text |
就是現在安寧環合條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].start |
6288.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].end |
6290.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].text |
或者病人自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
6290.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
6292.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
其實都是解決問題的不同方法而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
6292.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
6294.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].text |
所以人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].start |
6294.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
6296.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
如果真的台灣的制度可以用他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].start |
6296.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
6298.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].text |
不會遠赴瑞士去尋求安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].start |
6298.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
6300.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].text |
一定是台灣的制度接不住他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
6300.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
6302.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].text |
所以這時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].start |
6302.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].end |
6304.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].text |
我們其實應該要讓這麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].start |
6304.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].end |
6306.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].text |
爭議的話題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].start |
6306.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].end |
6308.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
當然社會氛圍改變了現在支持安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
6308.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
6310.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
高達百分之七八十 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].start |
6310.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
6312.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].text |
但我們覺得還是要交付公投 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].start |
6312.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].end |
6314.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].text |
來收集社會的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].start |
6314.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].end |
6316.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].text |
然後台灣民眾黨也以社會的民意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].start |
6316.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
6318.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
作為推動法案的一個基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].start |
6318.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].end |
6320.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].text |
好來最後部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
6320.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
6322.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
一個月內請提供報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].start |
6322.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
6324.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
安寧環合條例跟病人自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].start |
6324.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
6326.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
如何解決這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].start |
6326.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
6328.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
48歲喊病弟弟的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].start |
6328.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
6330.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
你有辦法解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].start |
6330.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].end |
6332.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
因為你們從第一張PPT |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].start |
6332.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
6334.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
你們說效果相同 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].start |
6334.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
6336.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
然後呢安寧環合條例是解方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
6336.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
6338.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
問題是請問一下這48歲的喊病弟弟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
6338.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
6340.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
可以被現行的安寧環合條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].start |
6340.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
6342.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
跟病人自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
6342.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
6344.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
所接觸嗎我的答案是不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].start |
6344.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
6346.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
你的答案是可以請給我一份分析報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].start |
6346.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
6348.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
再來第二個就是台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].start |
6348.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
6350.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
實施安樂死的可行性評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].start |
6350.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
6352.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
因為你剛剛有提到這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].start |
6352.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
6354.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
階段性的問題你現在反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].start |
6354.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
6356.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
但是你知道未來台灣有一天會實行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].start |
6356.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
6358.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
所以呢請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].start |
6358.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
6360.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
實行的可行性的評估報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
6360.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
6362.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
可否在一個月內提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
6362.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
6364.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
跟委員再重申 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
6364.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
6366.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
如果是長照的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
6366.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
6368.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
不能夠用安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
6368.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
6370.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
來解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
6370.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
6372.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
我們應該去持續的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
6372.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
6374.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
我們強化長照 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
6374.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
6376.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
這是完全不衝突的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
6376.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
6378.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
這是完全不衝突的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
6378.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
6380.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
就像安寧環合一條條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
6380.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
6382.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
跟安樂死兩個也是不衝突的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
6382.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
6384.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
他其實就可以雙軌進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
6384.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
6386.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
那至於長照的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
6386.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
6388.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
你如果把它健全化的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
6388.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
6390.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
我們樂見其成你不要讓有些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
6390.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
6392.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
覺得說我自己生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
6392.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
6394.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
我自己承受疾病的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
6394.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
6396.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
然後備受折磨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
6396.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
6398.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
然後國家又沒有安樂死制度給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
6398.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
6400.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
再加上長照又壓垮我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
6400.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
6402.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
所以加速他們去接受安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
6402.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
6404.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
我們要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].start |
6404.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
6406.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
支持安樂死絕對不是因為長照的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
6406.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
6408.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
我們是尊重病人的自主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
6408.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
6410.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
病人的自主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
6410.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
6412.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
他的落實他背後的思考是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
6412.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
6414.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
也許他真的想散忠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
6414.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
6416.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
也許有沒有那麼一點點可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
6416.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
6418.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
是政府長照的量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
6418.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
6420.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
不足壓垮他們成為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].start |
6420.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
6422.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
最後一根稻草 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
6422.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
6424.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
就是那一根稻草 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
6424.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
6426.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
也許壓垮他們的是鋸石 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
6426.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
6428.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
但是最後壓死他們的就是那一根稻草 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
6428.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
6430.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
好以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
6430.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
6432.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
那是不是可以請部長這一個月內提供給我們這個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
6432.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
6434.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
我想施行安樂死的可行性的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
6434.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
6436.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
這是要很嚴謹的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
6436.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
6438.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
一個月的時間我覺得太過重塑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
6438.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
6440.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
沒問題請你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
6440.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
6442.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
可以給我們一個時間點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
6442.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
6444.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
我都OK |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
6444.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
6446.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
我們還是要很嚴謹的去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
6446.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
6448.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
因為那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
6448.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
6450.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
招尾已經站起來兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
6450.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
6452.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
我們再討論一下時間兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
6452.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
6454.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
給一個報告當然可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
6454.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
6456.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
只是他不會夠嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
6456.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
6458.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
因為我們就要公投了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
6458.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
6460.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
你總不能公投之後才交付報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
6460.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
6462.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
我剛剛說過這個議題是一個很嚴謹的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
6462.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
6464.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
嚴肅的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
6464.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
6466.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
不應該用很專注的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
6466.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
6468.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
一個月不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].start |
6468.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
6470.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
一年夠嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
6470.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
6472.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].text |
你總不能一年之後你還覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
6472.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
6474.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
一年可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
6474.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
6476.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
那我們就只看到這個政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
6476.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
6478.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
用歸宿的速度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
6478.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
6480.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
他一定要做嚴謹的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
6480.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
6482.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].text |
第一題呢一個月應該可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
6482.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].end |
6484.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].text |
第一題應該可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
6484.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].end |
6486.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].text |
可以可以 |
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6486.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].end |
6488.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
那我們就是政府以歸宿的方式再回應人民的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
6488.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].end |
6490.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].text |
以上說明謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
6490.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].end |
6492.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].text |
這是一個嚴肅的生命議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
6492.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].end |
6494.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
我們應該很嚴肅的態度來看待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
6495.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
6497.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
好謝謝邱慧如委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
6498.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].end |
6502.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
待會在王育敏委員詢答後休息10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
6502.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].end |
6504.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].text |
接下來請王育敏委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].start |
6510.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].end |
6512.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
謝謝主席我們邀請時部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
6518.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].end |
6520.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].text |
好委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
6520.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].end |
6522.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
6521.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].end |
6523.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
我問一個食安的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
6523.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
6525.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
如果我們發現一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
6525.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
6527.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
有疑慮的商品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
6527.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
6529.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
採取全面性的預防性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
6529.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].end |
6531.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
6531.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].end |
6533.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
會不會很快大家就沒有東西吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
6534.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
6536.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
我們要看這一個所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
6538.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
6540.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
我們剛剛講的違規的樣態是哪一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
6540.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
6542.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
以這次油品為例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
6542.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
6544.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
以這次油品為例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
6544.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
6546.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
你們自己去發明了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
6546.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
6548.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
這個有疑慮的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
6548.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
6550.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
含20%以下不用全面性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
6550.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
6552.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
那我就問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
6552.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
6554.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
你這一個決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
6554.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
6556.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
引發非常大的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
6556.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
6558.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
最後你們自己被迫轉彎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
6558.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
6560.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
採取全面性的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
6560.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
6562.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
那我現在就問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
6563.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
6565.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
陳時中這個政委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
6565.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
6567.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
他說如果採取全面性的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
6567.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
6569.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
很快大家就沒有東西吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
6569.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
6571.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
你認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
6571.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
6573.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
那一天記者會你就坐在他旁邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
6573.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
6575.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
我想跟委員你報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
6575.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
6577.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
我們這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
6577.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
6579.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
這個本編體的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
6579.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
6581.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
是採取的歐盟最高的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
6581.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
6583.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
最嚴的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
6583.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
6585.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
而以歐盟的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
6585.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
6587.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
他也不是全部的食品都是下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
6587.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
6589.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
所以這一層已經採取全面性的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
6589.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
6591.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
所以我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
6591.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
6593.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
最後所做的其實比歐盟的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
6593.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
6595.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
還要嚴格到好幾倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
6598.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
6600.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
所以你的結論是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
6600.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
6602.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
針對油品本身才下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
6602.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
6604.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
我剛問你的問題你沒有回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
6604.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
6606.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
所以我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
6606.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
6608.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
有疑慮的商品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
6608.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
6610.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
採取全面性的預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
6610.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
6612.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
所以我們必須要更嚴謹的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
6612.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
6614.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
去做討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
6614.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
6616.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].text |
所以他是由專家討論出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
6616.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
6618.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].text |
所以下次遇到類似的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
6618.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
6620.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
你還是會分第一層第二層 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
6620.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
6622.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
這個都是要經過科學討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
6622.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
6624.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
因為有不同的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
6624.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
6626.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
我就問你下次如果油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
6626.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
6628.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
一律的油品出來你一定要分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
6628.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
6630.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
第一層第二層 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
6630.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
6632.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
我們的標準有很多種 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
6632.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
6634.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
經過這次的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
6634.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
6636.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
你的標準不改嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
6636.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
6638.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
你不知道全國民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
6638.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
6640.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
對食安的標準就是很嚴格嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
6640.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
6642.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
未來遇到這一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
6642.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
6644.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
有疑慮的商品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
6644.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
6646.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
採取全面性的預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
6646.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
6648.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
不該成為你整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
6648.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
6650.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
衛福部將來處理食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
6650.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
6652.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
的一致性的標準嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
6652.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
6654.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
你還要回到第一層第二層嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
6654.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
6656.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
我跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
6656.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
6658.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
如果是假權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
6658.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
6660.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
這個催粉的事件是假權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
6660.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
6662.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
假權是完全不得添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
6662.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].end |
6664.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].text |
所以他是零減出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
6664.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].end |
6666.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
所以任何通通都要下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
6666.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
6668.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
6668.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
6670.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
本評比是安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
6670.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
6672.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
所以你下次你就分兩層喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
6672.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
6674.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
我們這一次的話是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
6674.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
6676.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
經過專家的討論之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
6676.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
6678.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
是以20% |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].start |
6678.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
6680.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
做切點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
6680.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
6682.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
但是最後我們在行政上的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
6682.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
6684.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
希望能夠儘速的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].start |
6684.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
6686.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
所以我們最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
6686.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
6688.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
採取的是全面性的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].start |
6688.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
6690.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
你回答我的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].start |
6690.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].end |
6692.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].text |
下一次如果在發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
6692.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
6694.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
大豆油裡面出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
6694.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
6696.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
批號裡面出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
6696.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
6698.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
超標的本評比 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
6698.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
6700.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
你是不是會像你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
6700.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
6702.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
這次所犯的錯誤分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
6702.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
6704.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
第一層第二層下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
6704.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
6706.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
還是會採取全面性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
6706.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
6708.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
預防性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
6708.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
6710.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
作為衛福部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
6710.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
6712.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
你要告訴全國的民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].start |
6712.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
6714.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
你未來處理有疑慮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
6714.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
6716.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
擁有的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
6716.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
6718.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
我就問本評比這一題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
6718.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
6720.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
未來如果出現有批號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].start |
6720.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
6722.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
出現超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
6721.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
6723.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
請問你要採取全面性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
6723.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
6725.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
預防性下架還是分層的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
6725.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
6727.73 |
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下架你就直接回答就好 |
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6727.73 |
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6729.73 |
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如果是我現在已經做了的決定 |
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6729.73 |
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是全面性下架當然就是 |
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6731.73 |
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全面性下架好這樣就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
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除非未來有新的討論 |
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6737.73 |
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我覺得陳時中政委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
6737.73 |
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6739.73 |
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他不應該說採取 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
6739.73 |
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6741.73 |
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預防性的全面性下架大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
6741.73 |
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6743.73 |
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就沒有東西吃我剛剛提過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
6743.73 |
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6745.73 |
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那是不同的樣態他不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
6745.73 |
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6747.73 |
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針對這個BAP |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
6747.73 |
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6749.73 |
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針對其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
6749.73 |
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6751.73 |
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他講的是說全面性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
6751.73 |
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6753.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
每一個食品的樣態不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
6753.73 |
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6755.73 |
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他沒有權利啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
6755.73 |
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6757.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
作為前衛福部部長的政委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
6757.73 |
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6759.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
講出這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
6759.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
6761.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
我必須告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
6761.73 |
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6763.73 |
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這樣的政委叫做不負責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
6764.39 |
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6766.39 |
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不負責任 |
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6766.39 |
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6768.39 |
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何況他還擔任過前衛福部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
6768.39 |
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6770.39 |
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還擔任過好多年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
6770.72 |
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6772.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
由他這樣子的一個很草率的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
6772.72 |
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6774.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
來帶領大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
6774.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
6776.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
監督大家的食安這是讓大家不放心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
6778.11 |
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6780.11 |
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這是非常非常的草率 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
6780.11 |
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6782.11 |
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一次事件的教訓還不夠嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
6782.11 |
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6784.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
還在那邊講這個風涼話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].start |
6784.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
6786.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
什麼預防性的全面性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].start |
6786.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
6788.11 |
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大家會沒有東西吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].start |
6788.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
6790.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
有嗎你這次採取 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
6790.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
6792.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
有品的全面性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
6792.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
6794.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
有沒有東西吃嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
6794.11 |
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6796.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
有沒有有可以用嗎根本就沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
6796.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
6798.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
第二個你們這次做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
6798.11 |
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6800.11 |
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最大的錯誤就是含 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
6800.11 |
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6802.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
20%以下的這個有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
6802.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
6804.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
的有品不用全面性下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
6804.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
6806.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
到現在外界在質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
6806.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
6808.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
的是出席的專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
6808.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
6810.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
到底是哪些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
6810.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
6812.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
整個會議記錄過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
6812.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
6814.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
一定有錄音我要求要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
6814.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
6816.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
公佈所有的錄音檔我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
6816.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
6818.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
要知道決策形成的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
6818.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
6820.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
既然現在大家覺得這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
6820.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
6822.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
一個錯誤的決策當時錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
6822.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
6824.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
的決策整個會議是怎麼開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
6824.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
6826.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
出席的人有誰不 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
6826.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
6828.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
應該黑箱全部都公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
6828.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
6830.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
你可以公開嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
6830.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
6832.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
我們現在也不需要去獵巫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
6832.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
6834.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
沒有要獵巫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
6834.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
6836.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
都是在這個科學的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
6836.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
6838.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
證據下去討論出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
6838.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
6840.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
如果是歐盟的下架標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
6840.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
6842.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
其實就到第一層 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
6842.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
6844.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
所以不得不只問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
6844.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
6846.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
我們這一次是不擴大到第二層 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
6846.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
6848.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
出席的專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
6848.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
6850.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
是哪些人也不敢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
6850.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
6852.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
也不敢公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
6852.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
6854.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
後面在行政執行上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
6854.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
6856.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
我幫他更擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
6856.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
6858.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
部長你現在很矛盾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
6858.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
6860.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
行政執行上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
6860.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
6862.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
你剛剛一開始在幫他們辯護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
6862.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
6864.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
這個是比歐盟更嚴格的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
6864.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
6866.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
所以是有道理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
6866.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
6868.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
既然是有道理的就不妨公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
6868.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
6870.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
我們要知道這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
6870.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
6872.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
他說他採取這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
6872.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
6874.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
還比歐盟更嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
6874.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
6876.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
這些專家學者是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
6876.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
6878.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
會議紀錄到底是怎麼召開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
6878.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
6880.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
我知道每一場會議紀錄都有錄音帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
6880.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
6882.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
都一定有錄音 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
6882.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
6884.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
那就完整的公佈主治稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
6884.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
6886.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
完整的公佈整場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
6886.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
6888.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
如果所有的專家學者都非常的公正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
6890.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
沒有偏袒業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
6890.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
6892.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
沒有說這樣子下架業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
6892.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
6894.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
生意會受到影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
6894.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
6896.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
沒有出現這樣的字眼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
6896.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
6898.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
那我們佩服這些專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
6898.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
6900.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
完全彼此專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
6900.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
6902.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
但是如果有人在這當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
6902.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
6904.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
護航業者是擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
6904.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
6906.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
業者的生意受影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
6906.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
6908.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
所以才說免 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
6908.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
6910.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
6910.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
6912.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
這個我們當然要追究 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
6912.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
6914.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
我們不允許 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
6913.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
6915.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
打著專家學者的光環 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
6915.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
6917.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
還在那邊護航業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
6917.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
6919.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
沒有這回事啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
6919.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
6921.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
就公開好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
6921.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
6923.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
如果委員認為這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
6923.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
6925.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
會有護航的嫌疑的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
6925.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
6927.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
那我們可以把這些資料送行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
6927.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
6929.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
檢調來調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
6929.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
6931.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
好好那你們就送 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
6931.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
6933.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
你們就送好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
6933.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
6935.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
就是整個公開嘛以照公信嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
6935.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
6937.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
整個都以照公信嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
6937.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
6939.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
好不好給外界一個清楚的面貌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
6939.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
6941.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
因為外界現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
6941.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
6943.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
對這一個部分的質疑是最多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
6943.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
6945.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
我覺得就 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
6945.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
6947.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
就為了平息大家的質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
6947.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
6949.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
就是有一個公正客觀的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
6949.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
6951.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
這樣蠻好的好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
6951.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
6953.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
接下來我要問你一波未平一波又起 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
6953.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
6955.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
致癌有連苦茶有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
6955.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
6957.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
不是只有一批喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
6957.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
6959.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
昨天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
6959.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
6961.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
第一批是這個統一生機的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
6961.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
6963.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
這個連淨的有機苦茶有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
6963.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
6965.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
昨天是永豐雨生計 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
6966.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
6968.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
又他還標榜是在地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
6968.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
6970.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
精花小果的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
6970.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
6972.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
苦茶有連續 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
6972.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
6974.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
已經兩批都有問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
6974.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
6976.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
部長你要不要動起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
6976.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
6978.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
針對全國所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
6978.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
6980.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
的這些苦茶有進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
6980.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
6982.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
專案的查驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
6982.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
6984.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
到底還有多少這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
6984.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
6986.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
我們就高度懷疑啊是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
6986.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
6988.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
這些苦茶子的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
6988.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
6990.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
也是有問題因為現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
6990.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
6992.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
現在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
6992.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
6994.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
報告裡面提出來都說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
6994.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
6996.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
我們現在台灣的苦茶子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
6998.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
7000.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
大概有將近九成是來自 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
7000.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
7002.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
對岸進口進來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
7002.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
7004.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
本地生產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
7004.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
7006.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
有生產但是量沒有那麼高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
7006.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
7008.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
但是你看現在市售的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
7008.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
7010.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
一個是要標榜有機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
7010.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
7012.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
大家還以為是台灣有機不是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
7012.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
7014.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
原來是中國進口進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
7014.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
7016.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
的苦茶子啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
7017.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
7019.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
進口的苦茶子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
7019.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
7021.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
他的源頭的把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
7021.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
7023.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
到底是怎麼做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
7023.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
7025.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
他是不是真有機都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
7025.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
7027.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
但是在市面上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
7027.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
7029.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
賣著打著有機的品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
7029.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
7031.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
就賣很貴啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
7031.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
7033.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
那消費者就變成冤大頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
7033.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
7035.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
本來是為了自己的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
7035.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
7037.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
我想說挑這個有機的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
7037.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
7039.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
然後又是比較貴的苦茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
7039.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
7041.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
然後還標榜說還可以生飲生喝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
7043.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
7045.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
結果很重視健康的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
7045.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
7047.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
當了冤大頭啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
7047.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
7049.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
買了這個裡面本甜品跟大豆油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
7049.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
7051.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
是一樣高啊又是超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
7051.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
7053.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
然後昨天爆發出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
7053.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
7055.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
他標榜是在地喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
7055.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
7057.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
他講的是來自雲林 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
7057.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
7059.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
還在地的精花小果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
7059.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
7061.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
那為什麼在地的本甜品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
7062.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
7064.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
也超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
7064.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
7066.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
他是真在地還是假在地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
7065.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
7067.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
所以這個問題很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
7067.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
7069.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
我們的有品怎麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
7069.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
7071.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
從真是大豆油到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
7071.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
7073.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
苦茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
7073.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
7075.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
就是我們從源頭的原料管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
7075.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
7077.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
看起來都沒有在管啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
7077.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
7079.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
進口的也沒有在管啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
7079.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
7081.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
在地的也沒有管很好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
7081.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
7083.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
再見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
7082.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
7084.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
部長你怎麼看這樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
7084.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
7086.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
如果是這個連禁案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
7086.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
7088.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
這個第一個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
7088.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
7090.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
這個就如同委員提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
7090.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
7092.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
這個是從這個中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
7092.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
7094.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
所進口的苦茶籽去提煉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
7094.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
7096.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
所以這個過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
7096.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
7098.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
我們這件事情是比較清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
7098.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
7100.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
那麼至於永豐魚這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
7100.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
7102.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
是昨天通報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
7102.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
7104.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
所以目前這個場在嘉義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
7104.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
7106.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
所以目前跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
7106.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
7108.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
嘉義衛生局大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
7108.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
7110.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
一起連同在做進行這個調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
7110.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
7112.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
那麼我們會把這兩個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
7112.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
7114.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
都調查清楚之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
7114.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
7116.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
那麼來比對這中間的相似性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
7116.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
7118.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
跟他的這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
7118.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
7120.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
那麼有沒有造成是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
7120.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
7122.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
系統性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
7122.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
7124.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
那麼再來進行進一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
7124.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
7126.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
不論是要專案的稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
7126.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
7128.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
或者是對於這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
7128.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
7130.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
業者特別是很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
7130.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
7132.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
還可能是一些小型的業者的輔導 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
7132.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
7134.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
你們現在這個敏感度不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
7134.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
7136.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
如果已經有兩件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
7136.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
7138.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
而且都是大廠牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
7138.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
7140.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
都還有超標的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
7140.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
7142.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
你就應該要大膽的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
7142.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
7144.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
假設小心的求證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
7144.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
7146.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
你就應該要啟動專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
7147.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
7149.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
你就應該要啟動專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
7149.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
7151.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
我們在這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
7151.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
7153.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
我們這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
7153.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
7155.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
這兩天就會做出決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
7157.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
7159.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
你們的決策效率也太慢了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
7159.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
7161.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
因為昨天才通報永豐魚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
7161.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
7163.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
我們今天在做調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
7163.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
7165.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
所以今天調查完我們就會做決定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
7165.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
7167.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
你們那個嘉義縣的油廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
7167.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
7169.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
你們要去看他的原料來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
7169.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
7171.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
到底是真本土 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
7171.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
7173.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
到底是真本土 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
7173.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
7175.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
有沒有混到是進口來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
7175.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
7177.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
苦茶子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
7177.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
7179.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
那你這個整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
7179.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
7181.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
我覺得如果連這麼大的廠牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
7181.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
7183.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
他委託的製造商都出現這麼大的包 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
7183.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
7185.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
那其他的廠牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
7185.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
7187.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
的信任度在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
7187.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
7189.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
我建議應該立刻啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
7189.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
7191.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
這樣的一個專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
7191.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
7193.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
這一次既然從大豆沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
7193.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
7195.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
整個我們看到這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
7195.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
7197.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
苦茶油也有這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
7197.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
7199.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
你所有原料的把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
7199.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
7201.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
你就是要痛定思痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
7201.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
7203.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
從源頭就開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
7203.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
7205.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
你的大豆油很多是進口進來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
7205.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
7207.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
巴西的大豆油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
7207.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
7209.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
從原料就開始有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
7209.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
7211.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
你這一次的苦茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
7211.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
7213.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
我看也是從進口的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
7213.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
7215.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
就有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
7215.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
7217.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
所以你食藥署折五旁貸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
7217.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
7219.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
衛福部折五旁貸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
7219.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
7221.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
這都是邊境進口進來的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
7221.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
7223.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
你就應該要好好查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
7223.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
7225.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
看到問題是在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
7225.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
7227.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
重新的把關改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
7227.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
7229.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
所以我提出四大訴求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
7229.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
7231.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
第一個立刻啟動專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
7231.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
7233.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
因為已經有兩家大廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
7233.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
7235.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
都有問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
7235.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
7237.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
其他也應該要抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
7237.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
7239.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
你即使發現才可以阻止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
7239.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
7241.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
更多進到家庭裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
7241.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
7243.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
更多消費者變成冤大頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
7243.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
7245.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
買很貴的但是還是一樣吃到本便品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
7245.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
7247.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
第二個源頭管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
7247.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
7249.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
你現在所有進口的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
7249.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
7251.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
這一些無論是黃豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
7251.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
7253.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
或者是苦茶油紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
7253.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
7255.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
這種做成油品的原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
7255.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
7257.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
你一定要加驗把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
7257.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
7259.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
然後要強制揭露原產地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
7259.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
7261.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
現在很多消費者覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
7261.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
7263.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
冤大頭是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
7263.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
7265.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
他說這個是很好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
7265.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
7267.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
是有機的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
7267.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
7269.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
然後做成說是台灣產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
7269.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
7271.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
結果原料是來自哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
7271.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
7273.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
可能就是來自大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
7272.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
7274.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
然後大家以為說買到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
7274.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
7276.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
台灣本土產的很好的苦茶油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
7276.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
7278.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
不是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
7278.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
7280.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
那個年進的有機苦茶油就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
7280.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
7282.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
大家覺得看起來很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
7282.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
7284.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
台灣產的結果原料通通都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
7284.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
7286.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
對岸的現在還出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
7287.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
7289.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
這個沒有揭露原料的原產地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
7289.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
7291.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
也是一個很大的敗壁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
7291.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
7293.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
一定要揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
7293.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
7295.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
另外不食重罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
7295.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
7297.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
如果有假有機假在地假小農 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
7298.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
7300.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
通通都應該要重罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
7300.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
7302.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
這個叫什麼?這是詐欺啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
7302.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
7304.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
這是完全欺騙消費者啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
7304.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
7306.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
會吃苦茶油願意花高價的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
7306.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
7308.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
那些人越重視自己健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
7308.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
7310.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
結果他買到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
7310.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
7312.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
是假貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
7312.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
7314.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
買到了是本便宜超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
7315.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
7317.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
他會覺得很冤枉啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
7317.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
7319.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
所以這件事情食安的整頓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
7319.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
7321.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
我覺得這個部長你擇我旁待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
7321.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
7323.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
這個是真正在做事情啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
7323.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
7325.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
你要把這件事情做好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
7325.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
7327.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
要不然我就問部長你最近吃什麼油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
7327.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
7329.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
你家裡都吃什麼油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
7329.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
7331.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
就這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
7331.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
7335.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
多元食品這個是健康的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
7335.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
7337.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
但是多元我們現在大豆油有問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
7337.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
7339.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
苦茶油也有問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
7339.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
7341.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
我跟五元說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
7341.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
7343.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
對於這個嚴懲不罰的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
7343.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
7345.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
我們一定是這個原則在處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
7345.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
7347.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
那麼從這個大豆的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
7347.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
7349.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
我們也進行其他的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
7349.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
7351.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
剛剛我們昨天才發布 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
7351.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
7353.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
有啊你大豆整個都去抽 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
7353.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
7355.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
7355.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
7357.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
你整個完了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
7357.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
7359.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
現在是苦茶有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
7359.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
7361.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].text |
我們都把它抽驗了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
7361.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
7363.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
所以都出來從他的樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
7363.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
7365.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
到他的成品我們都驗了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
7365.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
7367.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
所以這個大概來確保這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
7367.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
7369.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
在市面上的現在的大豆沙拉油 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
7369.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
7371.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
都是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
7371.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
7373.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
都符合標準的這個我們已經做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
7373.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
7375.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
至於這個苦茶油這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
7375.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
7377.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
就如 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
7377.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
7379.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
我想當然他的來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
7379.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
7381.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
原料是不一樣啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
7381.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
7383.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
這苦茶籽跟那個大豆是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].start |
7383.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
7385.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
不過從我們這一次的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].start |
7385.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
7387.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
中聯的調查可以看得清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
7387.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
7389.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].text |
是在原料的處理過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
7389.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
7391.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
跟製程上沒有對應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
7391.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
7393.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
風險等級的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
7393.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
7395.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
產生這個超標的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
7395.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].end |
7397.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
所以他不是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
7397.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].end |
7399.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
外加進來的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
7399.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
7401.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
他不是外加進來是在製程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
7401.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].end |
7403.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].text |
沒有去處理掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
7403.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].end |
7405.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
他的這個風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
7405.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
7407.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
因此這個苦茶籽我們也是會按照 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
7407.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
7409.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
這樣去瞭解到底他風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
7409.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
7411.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].text |
出在哪裡才能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
7412.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
7414.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
抽茶抽驗這個都是下游的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
7414.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
7416.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].text |
那我們希望從源頭上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
7416.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
7418.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
去瞭解清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
7418.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
7420.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
然後讓他未來的產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
7420.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
7422.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
因為畢竟抽驗有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
7422.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
7424.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
那要從整個上游的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
7424.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
7426.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
製程上讓他穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
7426.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
7428.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
產生具品質的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
7428.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
7430.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
這個油品這個才是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
7430.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
7432.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
我們最終的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
7432.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
7434.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
我們會來做那今天再去調查清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
7434.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
7436.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
瞭解他的問題之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
7436.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
7438.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
那我們再來規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
7438.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
7440.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
接下來的這些專案做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
7440.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
7442.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
你不能就是速度太緩慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
7442.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
7444.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
然後讓消費者持續去購買 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
7444.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
7446.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
他可能還有別家品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
7446.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
7448.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
說不定也是超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
7448.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
7450.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
然後他繼續喝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
7450.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
7452.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
他想說爆出來現在是連禁跟永恆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
7452.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
7454.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
我們昨天收到通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
7454.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
7456.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
今天就已經進行聯合的稽查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
7456.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
7458.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
速度要快 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
7458.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
7460.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
7460.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
7462.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
7462.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
7464.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
謝謝王敏委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
7464.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
7466.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
謝謝部長達詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
7466.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
7468.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
現在休息十分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
7491.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
7492.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
7504.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
7506.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
7520.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
7522.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
因為是昨天才接獲的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
7522.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
7524.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
今天早上去查查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
7524.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
7526.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
所以這個我們今天下午的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
7526.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
7528.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
這個比較好看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
7528.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
7530.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
看他的複雜情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
7530.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
7532.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
這個都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
7532.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
7534.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
7534.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
7536.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
跟嘉義談好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
7536.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
7538.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
7538.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
7540.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
7540.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
7542.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
他的場在嘉義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
7542.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
7544.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
通報的是在台北 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
7544.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
7546.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
永恆也是在國中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
7546.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
7548.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
當然第一步當然先下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
7548.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
7550.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
做法都是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
7550.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
7552.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
先下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
7552.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
7554.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
先把他這個風險控管住 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
7554.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
7556.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
然後再去調查清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
7556.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
7558.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
然後再來看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
7558.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].end |
7560.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].text |
接下來的作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
7560.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].end |
7562.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
所以兩款的品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
7562.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
7564.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
都是人家的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
7564.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
7566.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
這個要調查完才知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
7566.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
7568.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
因為現在只是通報出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
7568.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
7570.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
他超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
7570.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
7572.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
超標就先下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
7572.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
7574.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
跟上一次的做法其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
7574.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
7576.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
7576.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
7578.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
7578.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
7580.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
我們有調查的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
7580.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
7582.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
7582.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
7584.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
透明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
7584.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
7586.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
7586.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
7588.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
看複雜程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
7588.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
7590.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
因為上次那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
7590.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
7592.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
比較簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
7592.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
7594.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
因為這樣比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
7594.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
7596.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
都是小型的製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
7596.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
7598.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
他的人氣都會進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
7598.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
7600.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
所以說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
7600.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
7602.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
就是明顯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
7602.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
7604.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
7604.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
7606.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
這個的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
7606.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
7608.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
就要再看清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
7608.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
7610.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
要去調查原料原理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
7610.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
7612.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
本地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
7612.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
7614.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
還是哪裡來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
7614.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
7616.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
7650.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
7652.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
7652.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
7654.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
7654.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
7656.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
7656.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
7658.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
7658.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
7660.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
7660.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
7662.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
7662.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
7664.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
7664.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
7666.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].start |
7666.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
7668.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
7668.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
7670.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
7670.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
7672.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].start |
7672.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].end |
7674.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].start |
7674.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].end |
7676.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].start |
7676.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].end |
7678.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].start |
7687.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].end |
7689.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].start |
7689.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].end |
7691.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
7692.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
7694.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].start |
7859.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].end |
7861.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
7861.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
7863.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
7863.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
7865.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
7865.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
7867.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
7992.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
7994.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].start |
8015.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].end |
8017.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
8018.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
8020.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].start |
8020.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].end |
8022.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].start |
8022.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
8024.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].start |
8024.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
8026.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].start |
8026.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
8028.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
8028.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].end |
8030.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
8030.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].end |
8032.07 |
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謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
8032.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
8034.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].start |
8034.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].end |
8036.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
8036.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].end |
8038.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
8038.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
8040.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
8040.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
8042.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
8042.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].end |
8044.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
8044.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
8046.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
8026.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
8028.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].start |
8028.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].end |
8030.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].start |
8030.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].end |
8032.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].start |
8032.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].end |
8034.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].start |
8034.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].end |
8036.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].start |
8036.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].end |
8038.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].start |
8038.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].end |
8040.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].start |
8040.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].end |
8042.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].start |
8042.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].end |
8044.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].start |
8044.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].end |
8046.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].start |
8046.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].end |
8048.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].start |
8048.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].end |
8050.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].start |
8050.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].end |
8052.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].start |
8052.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].end |
8054.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].start |
8072.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].end |
8074.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].text |
現在繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].start |
8074.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].end |
8076.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].text |
現在我們請邱正元發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].start |
8081.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].end |
8083.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].text |
主席好,我們先請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].start |
8083.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].end |
8085.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].text |
好,有請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].start |
8087.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].end |
8089.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].text |
石部長好,我們先看一下影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].start |
8097.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].end |
8099.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].text |
我關心這次摯愛唷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].start |
8099.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].end |
8101.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].text |
我叫本篇批 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
8101.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].end |
8103.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].text |
我跟香煙,熟免 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].start |
8103.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].end |
8105.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].text |
同一集,都是一集摯愛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].start |
8105.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].end |
8107.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].text |
確定,使人摯愛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
8107.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].end |
8109.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].text |
肺癌,胃癌,腸癌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].start |
8109.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].end |
8111.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].text |
皮膚癌,都是我的作品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].start |
8112.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].end |
8114.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].text |
我不讓你痛,那太粗糙了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
8114.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].end |
8116.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].text |
我潛進你的細胞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
8116.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].end |
8118.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
專門拆掉你身上那道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].start |
8118.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].end |
8120.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].text |
狂癌的煞車 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
8120.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].end |
8122.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
然後,讓錯誤開始複製 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
8122.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].end |
8124.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
從你吃下去那天,就開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
8124.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].end |
8126.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].text |
直到有一天,崩潰回程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
8126.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].end |
8128.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].text |
這一次,我被叫獨有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
8128.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].end |
8130.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].text |
超過安全標準4倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
8130.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].end |
8132.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].text |
CP不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
8132.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].end |
8134.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
八千多公噸,追回來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
8134.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].end |
8136.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
不到三千 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
8136.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].end |
8138.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].text |
剩下的流口,去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
8138.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
8140.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
一千三百多個店家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
8140.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
8142.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
你的便當店,你的超商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
8142.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
8144.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
你家小孩的餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
8144.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
8146.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].text |
還有你女孩子的營養餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
8146.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].end |
8148.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].text |
你以為,把我吃下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
8148.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].end |
8150.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
就結束了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
8150.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].end |
8152.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
當你把我倒進鍋裡,燒到冒煙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
8152.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
8154.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
我會變成,你呼吸的雲氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
8154.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
8156.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
這一次,我直接進你的肺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
8156.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
8158.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
全世界最怕的,就是我會製造肺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
8158.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
8160.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
站在鍋前的人,最有危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
8160.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
8162.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
謝謝制度,什麼都沒改 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
8162.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
8164.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
謝謝那些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
8164.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
8166.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
把責任,推得乾乾淨淨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
8166.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].end |
8168.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
所以我還在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
8168.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
8170.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
所以我還在,你的餐桌上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
8170.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
8172.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
哎喲不是我逼你吃你跟我搭車幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
8172.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].end |
8174.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
你很不吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
8175.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].end |
8177.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
可是我們,從來沒有吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
8178.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
8180.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
好部長,這支影片叫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
8180.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
8182.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
由不得你,這個短片很紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
8182.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
8184.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
部長有看過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
8184.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
8186.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
有沒有看過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
8186.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
8188.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
我沒有看到,但是媒體有報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
8188.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
8190.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
你剛剛,現在你看了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
8190.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
8192.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
對不對,那這支短片的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
8192.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
8194.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
跟實際有不符的部分嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
8194.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
8196.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
最大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
8196.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].end |
8198.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
我想,這個一聽的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
8198.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
8200.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
就還以為是總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
8200.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
8202.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
所以這個是,我們不應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
8202.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
8204.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
用這種詭的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
8204.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
8206.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
我們就講內容就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
8206.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
8208.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
我現在知道的是,他的內容有沒有錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
8210.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
8212.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
他講的事情有沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
8212.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
8214.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
我們在法律上,都要先講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
8214.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
8216.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
程序的正義,才有實質的正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
8216.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
8218.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
如果這個程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
8218.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
8220.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
完全是錯誤的,就該被譴責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
8220.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
8222.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
而不論內容的對錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
8222.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
8224.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
所以先講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
8224.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
8226.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
程序正義,這個的製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
8226.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
8228.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
的程序,完全就是違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
8228.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
8230.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
那麼不應該,要被 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
8230.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
8232.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
譴責的,所以根本不值得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
8232.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
8234.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
討論他的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
8234.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
8236.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
你剛剛聽到的是,我們賴清德總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
8236.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
8238.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].text |
的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
8238.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
8240.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
所以你把賴清德總統當作本篇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
8240.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
8242.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
你是把賴清德總統當作本篇比的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
8242.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
8244.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
8244.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
8246.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
所以你還是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
8246.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
8248.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].text |
你會以為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
8248.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
8250.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
賴清德總統吃了陳時座沙包 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
8250.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
8252.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
在替自己宣傳嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
8252.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
8254.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
我還是要強調,沒有程序的正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
8254.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
8256.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
就沒有內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
8256.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
8258.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
科學的正義,還有行政會的正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
8258.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
8260.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
猶豫跟轉弱 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
8260.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
8262.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
一五一十的,擺在社會大眾前面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
8262.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
8264.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
非常惡劣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
8264.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
8266.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
自來由你們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
8266.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
8268.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
到現在快滿月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
8268.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
8270.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
你們現在留給人民很多問號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
8270.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
8272.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
人民如果沒有能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
8272.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
8274.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
在辨識餐桌上的由來自哪一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
8274.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
8276.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
也沒能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
8276.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
8278.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
自行檢測,如果政府不及時 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
8278.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
8280.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
公開資訊,人民就 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
8280.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
8282.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
沒有知情的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
8282.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
8284.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
完全都沒有辦法選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
8284.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
8286.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
這一切,確實由不得你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
8286.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
8288.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
對不對,也由不得民進黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].start |
8288.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
8290.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
政府閃躲,不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
8290.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
8292.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
跟委員說明,經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].start |
8292.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
8294.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
我們跟地方衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
8294.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
8296.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].text |
大家共同的協力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
8296.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
8298.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
現在在商場上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
8298.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
8300.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
在架上的有品都是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
8300.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
8302.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
所以請大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
8302.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
8304.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
陳時中政委,在7月27號的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
8304.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
8306.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
記者會上說,如果遇到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
8306.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
8308.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
食安的狀況,全部都下架的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
8308.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
8310.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].text |
那很快大家都會沒有東西吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
8310.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
8312.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].text |
那民進黨執政11年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
8312.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
8314.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
現在人民只能選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
8314.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
8316.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].text |
跟餓死跟吐死之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].start |
8316.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
8318.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
來做選擇,是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
8317.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
8319.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].text |
我們剛剛提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
8319.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
8321.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
就是說這些東西你必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
8321.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
8323.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
放心現在在架上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
8323.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
8325.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
有品都是安全的,沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
8325.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
8327.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
所以你們當初說出來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
8327.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
8329.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
陳時中講的這句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
8329.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
8331.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
是當初你們訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
8331.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
8333.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
20%標準的依據嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
8333.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
8335.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
我想,日前陳政委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
8335.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
8337.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
在記者會上講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
8337.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
8339.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
是被斷章取義的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
8339.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
8341.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
那個是對記者的詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
8341.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
8343.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
他去描述整個在安全標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
8343.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
8345.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
的制定上,跟他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
8345.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
8347.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
管理的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
8347.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
8349.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
7月22號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
8349.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
8351.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
我們本委員會通過臨時提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
8351.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
8353.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
要求致癌藥,為全面查明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
8353.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].end |
8355.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
流向與真相前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].start |
8355.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
8357.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
不得讓這些有品重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
8357.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
8359.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
那你們現在有停止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
8359.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
8361.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].text |
恢復上架嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
8361.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
8363.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].text |
我們問題的有品都不可以上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
8363.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
8365.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
包含他的相關的加工資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
8365.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
8367.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
所以你們都檢查了就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
8367.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
8369.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
所以那7P我們都公告了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
8369.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
8371.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
上架原則都是檢驗的過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
8371.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
8373.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
所以問題都沒有出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
8373.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
8375.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
對,我們已經都檢驗完了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
8375.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
8377.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
那決議的條件是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].start |
8377.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].end |
8379.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].text |
全面清查,不是充電合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
8379.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].end |
8381.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].text |
我們這一次是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
8381.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].end |
8383.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].text |
分原分項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
8383.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].end |
8385.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].start |
8385.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].end |
8387.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].text |
逐批的確認之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].start |
8387.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].end |
8389.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].text |
還上下游去比對之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].start |
8389.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].end |
8391.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].text |
才確認這個19P是OK的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].start |
8391.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].end |
8393.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].text |
但是你們到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].start |
8393.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].end |
8395.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].text |
只是說明中聯被查出的有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].start |
8395.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].end |
8397.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].text |
但是沒有辦法證明其他場上沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].start |
8398.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].end |
8400.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].text |
您說的是哪些廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].start |
8400.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].end |
8402.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].text |
其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].start |
8402.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].end |
8404.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].text |
我們這一次是針對中聯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].start |
8404.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].end |
8406.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].text |
有品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].start |
8406.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].end |
8408.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].text |
那另外三家包含這個大統一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].start |
8408.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].end |
8410.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].text |
還有這個台糖跟常輝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].start |
8410.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].end |
8412.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].text |
我們也去他的廠做抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].start |
8412.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].end |
8414.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].text |
包含從他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].start |
8414.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].end |
8416.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].text |
這個原料的抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].start |
8416.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].end |
8418.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].text |
還有這個出油的抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].start |
8418.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].end |
8420.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].text |
今年4到6月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].start |
8420.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].end |
8422.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].text |
巴西大豆原料的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].start |
8422.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].end |
8424.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].text |
跟產出的有品查明了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].start |
8424.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].end |
8426.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].text |
有查到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].start |
8426.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].end |
8428.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].text |
原料的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
8428.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].end |
8430.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].text |
跟有品,製成成品也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
8430.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].end |
8432.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].text |
對,這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].start |
8432.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].end |
8434.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].text |
廠我們剛剛也調查過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].start |
8434.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].end |
8436.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].text |
昨天我們也把這個調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].start |
8436.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].end |
8438.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].text |
報告已經上網公佈了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].start |
8438.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].end |
8440.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].text |
最主要他的某一個P |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
8440.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].end |
8442.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].text |
傳,那個傳P的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
8442.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].end |
8444.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].text |
這個熱損利率比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
8444.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].end |
8446.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].text |
高,然後在後面他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].start |
8446.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].end |
8448.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].text |
風險帶進來之後沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].start |
8448.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
8450.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].text |
經過製程的調整造成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
8450.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].end |
8452.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].text |
今天4到6月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].start |
8452.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].end |
8454.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].text |
中聯就出了29E |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
8454.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
8456.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
8456.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
8458.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
只在他的廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
8458.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
8460.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
那中聯放寬熱損 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
8460.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
8462.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].text |
率是從去年6月4號開始的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
8462.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
8464.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
從去年6月4號到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
8464.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
8466.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
今年3月31號將近10個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
8466.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
8468.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
那這一段中間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
8468.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
8470.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
中聯出了幾批貨,多少公噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
8471.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
8473.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
下游去哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
8472.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
8474.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
你這邊有數據嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
8474.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
8476.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
有,我們都有了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
8476.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
8478.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
那跟我要說明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
8478.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
8480.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
那麼這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
8480.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
8482.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].text |
比較高的這個P次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
8482.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
8484.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].text |
這個P次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
8484.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
8486.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
傳櫃只在他這個廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
8486.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
8488.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
他沒有到其他的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
8488.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
8490.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
他的製程上其實只要調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
8490.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
8492.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
就是可以符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
8492.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
8494.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
所以不是絕對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].start |
8494.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
8496.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].text |
巴西豆就不能用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].start |
8496.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].end |
8498.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].text |
也不是絕對的熱損利率 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
8498.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
8500.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].text |
多少就不能用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].start |
8500.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].end |
8502.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].text |
他要按照他的風險管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].start |
8502.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].end |
8504.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].text |
不同的品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].start |
8504.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].end |
8506.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].text |
那麼要經過後面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].start |
8506.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].end |
8508.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].text |
製程去調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].start |
8508.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].end |
8510.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].text |
10個月的你都查了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].start |
8510.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].end |
8512.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].text |
待會你出去把資料給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].start |
8512.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].end |
8514.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].text |
那我再問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].start |
8514.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].end |
8516.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].text |
中央宣布要原本下架的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].start |
8516.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].end |
8518.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].text |
要重新上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].start |
8518.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].end |
8520.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].text |
但是台北台中高雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].start |
8520.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].end |
8522.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].text |
已經明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].start |
8522.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].end |
8524.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].text |
表明沒有完全確認安全之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].start |
8524.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].end |
8526.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].text |
是不會跟進的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].start |
8526.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].end |
8528.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].text |
所以現在有哪些縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].start |
8528.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].end |
8530.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].text |
還是哪些產品已經上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].start |
8530.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].end |
8532.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].text |
跟委員說明我們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].start |
8532.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].end |
8534.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].text |
根據這個食安法52條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].start |
8534.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].end |
8536.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].text |
的規定,經過我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].start |
8536.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].end |
8538.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].text |
檢驗完成之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].start |
8538.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].end |
8540.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].text |
因為這個前面是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].start |
8540.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].end |
8542.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].text |
預防性下架,並不是他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].start |
8542.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].end |
8544.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].text |
檢出有問題,因為我們當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].start |
8544.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].end |
8546.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].text |
這個認為上下游 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].start |
8546.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].end |
8548.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].text |
的資料沒有辦法完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].start |
8548.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].end |
8550.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].text |
確認的情形之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].start |
8550.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].end |
8552.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].text |
所以現在我們在確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].start |
8552.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].end |
8554.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].text |
這個預防性的4到6月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].start |
8554.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].end |
8556.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].text |
預防性下架,這是超前部署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].start |
8556.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].end |
8558.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].text |
讓我們有認可 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].start |
8558.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].end |
8560.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].text |
我現在講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].start |
8560.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].end |
8562.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].text |
這些縣市說不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].start |
8562.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].end |
8564.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].text |
他不配合的,你到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].start |
8563.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].end |
8565.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].text |
現在做得怎麼樣,他們有沒有完全接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].start |
8565.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].end |
8567.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].text |
當然就我們來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].start |
8567.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].end |
8569.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].text |
這個19P已經是確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].start |
8569.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].end |
8571.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].text |
安全,所以他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].start |
8571.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].end |
8573.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].text |
這些縣市哪些產品上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].start |
8573.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].end |
8575.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].text |
你只要回答我這個就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].start |
8575.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].end |
8577.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].text |
有他特別的考量的話,我們就尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].start |
8577.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].end |
8579.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].text |
不講,如果到今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].start |
8579.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].end |
8581.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].text |
沒有任何地方政府願意跟進 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].start |
8581.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].end |
8583.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].text |
也沒有業者願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].start |
8583.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].end |
8585.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].text |
配合出貨上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].start |
8585.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].end |
8587.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].text |
那就表示地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].start |
8587.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].end |
8589.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].text |
業者跟消費者都認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].start |
8589.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].end |
8591.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].text |
這個疑慮還沒排除嘛,為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].start |
8591.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].end |
8593.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].text |
只有中央這麼急呢,你們急什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].start |
8593.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].end |
8595.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].text |
我們必須依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].start |
8595.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].end |
8597.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].text |
所以我們也調查清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].start |
8597.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].end |
8599.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].text |
一個重大的時代檢驗清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].start |
8599.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].end |
8601.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].text |
走到年產品有沒有真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].start |
8601.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].end |
8603.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].text |
要重新上架都無法決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].start |
8603.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].end |
8605.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].text |
也沒有辦法確定,這已經不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].start |
8605.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].end |
8607.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].text |
科學問題了啦,而是行政性能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].start |
8607.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].end |
8609.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].text |
這個19P已經確認了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].start |
8609.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].end |
8611.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].text |
那我再問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].start |
8611.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].end |
8613.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].text |
你們7月27號公布的調查內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].start |
8613.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].end |
8615.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].text |
有一些專家有不同的見解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].start |
8615.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].end |
8617.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].text |
那我今天就用你們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].start |
8617.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].end |
8619.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].text |
報告來請教你們,你們報告中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].start |
8619.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].end |
8621.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].text |
把中年發生的本篇比 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].start |
8621.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].end |
8623.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].text |
超標的原因指向是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].start |
8623.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].end |
8625.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].text |
原料異常跟製程條件嘛,對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].start |
8626.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].end |
8628.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].text |
原料的部分你們認為是巴西豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].start |
8628.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].end |
8630.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].text |
大豆這個熱水率的問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].start |
8630.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].end |
8632.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].text |
製程的問題是不是包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].start |
8632.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].end |
8634.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].text |
脫膠、白土添加、乾燥條件的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].start |
8634.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].end |
8636.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].text |
是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].start |
8636.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].end |
8638.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].text |
不完全是,這整個的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].start |
8638.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].end |
8640.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].text |
簡單的結論應該是這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].start |
8640.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].end |
8642.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].text |
就是它的這個原料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].start |
8642.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].end |
8644.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].text |
的部分呢,那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].start |
8644.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].end |
8646.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].text |
有它的這個風險分級的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].start |
8646.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].end |
8648.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].text |
要件,不同的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].start |
8648.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].end |
8650.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].text |
它的風險不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].start |
8650.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].end |
8652.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].text |
所以必須要經過不同的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].start |
8652.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].end |
8654.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].text |
去調整它後面的製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].start |
8654.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].end |
8656.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].text |
所以它在沒有按照風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].start |
8656.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].end |
8658.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].text |
等級那麼去調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].start |
8658.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].end |
8660.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].text |
後面的製程,而造成有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].start |
8660.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].end |
8662.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].text |
幾批的這個本篇比 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].start |
8662.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].end |
8664.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].text |
所以你認為說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].start |
8664.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].end |
8666.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].text |
產地也是問題就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].start |
8667.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].end |
8669.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].text |
產地不是絕對的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].start |
8669.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].end |
8671.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].text |
它有風險的不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].start |
8671.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].end |
8673.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].text |
應該要做風險的分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].start |
8673.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].end |
8675.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].text |
進口巴西大豆的葉子你總共有幾家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].start |
8676.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].end |
8678.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].text |
巴西大豆的葉子總共有幾家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].start |
8678.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].end |
8680.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].text |
你說是進口商嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].start |
8680.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].end |
8682.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].start |
8682.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].end |
8684.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].text |
進口商這個我們就要查一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].start |
8684.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].end |
8686.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].text |
對阿你們查了幾家調查了哪些項目跟內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].start |
8686.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].end |
8688.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].text |
查了之後再提供給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].start |
8688.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].end |
8690.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].text |
風險不是現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].start |
8690.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].end |
8692.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].text |
這個已經很明確了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].start |
8692.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].end |
8694.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].text |
巴西產地乾燥方式原料PAHS |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].start |
8694.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].end |
8696.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].text |
精煉能力及 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].start |
8696.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].end |
8698.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].text |
HACCP失靈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].start |
8698.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].end |
8700.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].text |
全部都是你們報告認定的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].start |
8700.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].end |
8702.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].text |
那其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].start |
8702.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].end |
8704.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].text |
使用巴西大豆的自由廠難道不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].start |
8704.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].end |
8706.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].text |
風險條件嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].start |
8706.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].end |
8708.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].text |
跟委員說明我們也了解其他的廠的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].start |
8708.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].end |
8710.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].text |
所以其他的這個大廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].start |
8710.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].end |
8712.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].text |
他其實有做相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].start |
8712.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].end |
8714.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].text |
風險管控比如說他會採取 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].start |
8714.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].end |
8716.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].text |
混豆的方式來降低風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].start |
8716.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].end |
8718.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].text |
或者是在後面的製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].start |
8718.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].end |
8720.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].text |
當中加強抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].start |
8720.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].end |
8722.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].text |
來確認他的這個風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].start |
8722.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].end |
8724.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].text |
然後控制住他的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].start |
8724.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].end |
8726.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].text |
然後也會在製程上去做調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].start |
8726.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].end |
8728.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].text |
所以其他的廠有類似 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].start |
8728.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].end |
8730.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].text |
的做法所以不會完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].start |
8730.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].end |
8732.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].text |
那這個廠他就沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].start |
8732.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].end |
8734.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].text |
把這個風險拉起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].start |
8734.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].end |
8736.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].text |
也就是沒有全面調查對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].start |
8736.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].end |
8738.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].text |
其他使用油脂的工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].start |
8738.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].end |
8740.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].text |
製程風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].start |
8740.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].end |
8742.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].text |
有沒有全面調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].start |
8742.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].end |
8744.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].text |
另外三家的大廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].start |
8744.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].end |
8746.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].text |
提供這個原油的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].start |
8746.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].end |
8748.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].text |
原油的我們都查過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].start |
8748.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].end |
8750.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].text |
都查了都查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].start |
8750.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].end |
8752.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].text |
然後也抽驗了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].start |
8752.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].end |
8754.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].text |
抽驗的這個報告昨天也都發布了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].start |
8754.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].end |
8756.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].text |
全部都合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].start |
8756.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].end |
8758.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].text |
好那我再問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].start |
8758.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].end |
8760.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].text |
下一題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].start |
8784.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].end |
8786.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].text |
都是在進行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].start |
8786.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].end |
8788.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].text |
沒有什麼優先順序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].start |
8788.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].end |
8790.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].text |
像今天事情的管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].start |
8790.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].end |
8792.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].text |
他是比較敏感的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].start |
8792.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].end |
8794.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].text |
這個東西也是父母最關心的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].start |
8794.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].end |
8796.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].text |
你們打算什麼時候預告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].start |
8796.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].end |
8798.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].text |
我們現在已經召開了兩場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].start |
8798.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].end |
8800.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].text |
的焦點團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].start |
8800.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].end |
8802.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].text |
那麼也討論了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].start |
8802.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].end |
8804.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].text |
專家學者也討論了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].start |
8804.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].end |
8806.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].text |
那麼接下來我們會進一步擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].start |
8806.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].end |
8808.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].text |
這個收集意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].start |
8808.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].end |
8810.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].text |
所以其他的一年之內一定會出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].start |
8810.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].end |
8812.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].text |
會會會因為我們草案已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].start |
8812.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].end |
8814.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].text |
完成在八月份就會有出稿了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].start |
8814.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].end |
8816.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].text |
好那我再問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].start |
8816.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].end |
8818.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].text |
問台南的這個三起脫獄的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].start |
8818.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].end |
8820.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].text |
今年一月到七月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].start |
8820.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].end |
8822.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].text |
台南陸續爆發或是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].start |
8822.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].end |
8824.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].text |
這個司法癥結引發社會高度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].start |
8824.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].end |
8826.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].text |
關注的這個重大居家脫獄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].start |
8826.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].end |
8828.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].text |
傷害違法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].start |
8828.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].end |
8830.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].text |
事件那第一案是永康案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].start |
8830.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].end |
8832.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].text |
這名女嬰大概是2025年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].start |
8832.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].end |
8834.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].text |
12月1號開始送托 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].start |
8834.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].end |
8836.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].text |
到2026年2月10號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].start |
8836.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].end |
8838.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].text |
就發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].start |
8838.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].end |
8840.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].text |
嚴重的腦傷前後大概71天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].start |
8840.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].end |
8842.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].text |
依照規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].start |
8842.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].end |
8844.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].text |
新收托兒童原則上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].start |
8844.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].end |
8846.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].text |
30日內就要完成訪視 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].start |
8846.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].end |
8848.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].text |
那在這71天的托育期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].start |
8848.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].end |
8850.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].text |
台南市政府總共訪視了幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].start |
8854.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].end |
8856.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].text |
這個我們調查一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].start |
8857.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].end |
8859.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].text |
這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].start |
8859.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].end |
8861.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].text |
台南市政府都沒有跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].start |
8861.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].end |
8863.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].text |
我們衛福部來做通報嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].start |
8863.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].end |
8865.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].text |
有沒有做一些依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].start |
8865.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].end |
8867.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].text |
有沒有回報嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].start |
8867.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].end |
8869.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].text |
你們也沒有去了解嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].start |
8869.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].end |
8871.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].text |
我們來了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].start |
8871.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].end |
8873.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].text |
因為這個是2025 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].start |
8873.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].end |
8875.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].text |
你不要等出了事情小孩子受傷了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].start |
8875.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].end |
8877.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].text |
或者是發生了這個悲劇之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].start |
8877.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].end |
8879.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].text |
才來急著調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].start |
8879.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].end |
8881.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].start |
8881.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].end |
8883.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].text |
好這個我們了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].start |
8883.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].end |
8885.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].text |
那第一案我再問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].start |
8885.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].end |
8887.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].text |
麻豆案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].start |
8887.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].end |
8889.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].text |
鄭姓女子是登記保姆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].start |
8889.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].end |
8891.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].text |
向政府申報托 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].start |
8891.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].end |
8893.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].text |
收托兩名兒童 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].start |
8893.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].end |
8895.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].text |
實際上卻沒有登記的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].start |
8895.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].end |
8897.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].text |
張姓女子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].start |
8897.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].end |
8899.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].text |
卻與沒有登記的張姓女子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].start |
8899.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].end |
8901.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].text |
他共同照顧了六名幼兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].start |
8901.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].end |
8903.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].text |
那檢方認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].start |
8903.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].end |
8905.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].text |
涉嫌犯行期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].start |
8905.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].end |
8907.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].text |
從2025年3月1號持續到12月5日 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].start |
8907.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].end |
8909.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].text |
長達9個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].start |
8909.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].end |
8911.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].text |
總共涉及六名幼童 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].start |
8911.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].end |
8913.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].text |
這六名幼童各自是哪一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].start |
8913.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].end |
8915.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].text |
開始送托 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].start |
8915.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].end |
8917.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].text |
衛福部目前有掌握嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].start |
8918.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].end |
8920.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].text |
好我想這個當然是地方在處理啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].start |
8920.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].end |
8922.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].text |
你們都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].start |
8922.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].end |
8924.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].start |
8924.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].end |
8926.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].text |
我們會來了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].start |
8926.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].end |
8928.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].text |
地方的處理情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].start |
8928.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].end |
8930.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].text |
你們本來就要追蹤說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].start |
8930.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].end |
8932.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].text |
這種都是已經出事的事情啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].start |
8932.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].end |
8934.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].text |
你們都沒有掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].start |
8934.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].end |
8936.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].text |
地方都在處理啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].start |
8936.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].end |
8938.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].text |
可是你們要掌握啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].start |
8938.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].end |
8940.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].text |
我問你們都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].start |
8940.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].end |
8942.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].text |
我們來掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].start |
8939.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].end |
8941.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].start |
8941.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].end |
8943.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].text |
第三案還有這名男童 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].start |
8943.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].end |
8945.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].text |
送托只有兩到三天就死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].start |
8945.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].end |
8947.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].text |
而且他不是只有帶一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].start |
8947.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].end |
8949.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].text |
兩個小孩都是他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].start |
8949.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].end |
8951.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].text |
他有收費的是三個小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].start |
8951.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].end |
8953.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].text |
女性女子沒有托育資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].start |
8953.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].end |
8955.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].text |
也沒有辦理居家托育登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].start |
8955.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].end |
8957.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].text |
卻可以在這個臉書 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].start |
8957.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].end |
8959.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].text |
這個社群平台裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].start |
8959.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].end |
8961.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].text |
來刊登訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].start |
8961.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].end |
8963.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].text |
招攬家長送托 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].start |
8963.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].end |
8965.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].text |
因為他沒有登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].start |
8965.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].end |
8967.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].text |
正常的收托申報30日內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].start |
8967.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].end |
8969.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].text |
訪問方式當然不會出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].start |
8969.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].end |
8971.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].text |
也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].start |
8971.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].end |
8973.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].text |
所以透過這種網路招攬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].start |
8973.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].end |
8975.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].text |
未登記的托育未來用什麼方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].start |
8975.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].end |
8977.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].text |
來這個解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].start |
8978.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].end |
8980.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].text |
我們當然都會把有照的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].start |
8980.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].end |
8982.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].text |
合格的保母都公開資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].start |
8982.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].end |
8984.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].text |
所以我們會講先導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].start |
8984.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].end |
8986.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].text |
我現在講的是他真的違法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].start |
8986.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].end |
8988.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].text |
讓民眾在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].start |
8988.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].end |
8990.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].text |
送托的時候要去選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].start |
8990.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].end |
8992.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].text |
我們有照的這些啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].start |
8992.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].end |
8994.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].text |
像這個你現在看這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].start |
8994.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].end |
8996.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].text |
他們那個對話截圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].start |
8996.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].end |
8998.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].text |
未來我們的兒童多餘扶法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].start |
8998.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].end |
9000.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].text |
都會有罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].start |
9000.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].end |
9002.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].text |
我們都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].start |
9002.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].end |
9004.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].text |
不要等事情發生了之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].start |
9004.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].end |
9006.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].text |
才來檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].start |
9006.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].end |
9008.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].text |
你現在發現這個問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].start |
9008.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].end |
9010.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].text |
我覺得你會不會趕快把這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].start |
9010.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].end |
9012.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].text |
加進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].start |
9012.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].end |
9014.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].text |
我們還是會加強去宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].start |
9014.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].end |
9016.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].text |
其實我們現在有照的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].start |
9016.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].end |
9018.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].text |
都有在網路上公開資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].start |
9018.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].end |
9020.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].text |
那麼民眾在選擇保母的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].start |
9020.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].end |
9022.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].text |
我不是問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].start |
9022.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].end |
9024.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].text |
你們有沒有公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].start |
9024.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].end |
9026.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].text |
我是問你說這些違法隨便刊登的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].start |
9026.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].end |
9028.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].text |
你們用什麼方法去取締 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].start |
9028.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].end |
9030.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].text |
去掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].start |
9030.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].end |
9032.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].text |
有那個違法的部分當然要加強查緝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].start |
9032.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].end |
9034.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].text |
那合法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].start |
9034.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].end |
9036.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].text |
我們要讓大家都很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].start |
9036.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].end |
9038.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].text |
盡量的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].start |
9038.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].end |
9040.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].text |
應該要去選擇合法的保母 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].start |
9040.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].end |
9042.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].text |
所以三個案件都沒有列入重大案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].start |
9042.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].end |
9044.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].text |
一個死掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].start |
9044.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].end |
9046.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].start |
9046.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].end |
9048.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].text |
嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].start |
9048.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].end |
9050.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].text |
應該是有討論啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].start |
9050.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].end |
9052.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].text |
你們是幹什麼的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].start |
9052.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].end |
9054.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].text |
我們這個都有討論過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].start |
9054.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].end |
9056.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].text |
都有開會嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].start |
9056.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].end |
9058.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].text |
有一些跟地方的聯繫的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].start |
9058.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].end |
9060.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].text |
那這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].start |
9060.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].end |
9062.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].text |
委員突然間提的這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].start |
9062.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].end |
9064.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].text |
詳細的部分我們再 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].start |
9064.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].end |
9066.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].text |
對啊 我都看到了你們都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].start |
9066.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].end |
9068.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].text |
你們為何那麼多人要幹什麼的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].start |
9069.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].end |
9071.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].text |
當然委員特別關心這一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].start |
9071.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].end |
9073.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].text |
那我們來了解之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].start |
9073.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].end |
9075.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].text |
把這個資料收集之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].start |
9075.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].end |
9077.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].text |
再提供給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].start |
9077.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].end |
9079.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].text |
好 盡快來 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].start |
9080.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].end |
9082.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].start |
9082.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].end |
9084.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].text |
補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].start |
9084.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].end |
9086.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].text |
下回我們請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].start |
9086.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].end |
9088.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].text |
廖偉祥委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].start |
9097.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].end |
9099.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].start |
9100.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].end |
9102.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].text |
有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].start |
9101.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].end |
9103.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].text |
石崇良部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].start |
9103.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].end |
9105.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].text |
跟我們國教署的彭富源署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].start |
9106.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].end |
9108.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].text |
好 有請石部長跟彭署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].start |
9109.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].end |
9111.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].text |
好 委員好 部長好 署長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].start |
9113.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].end |
9115.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].text |
今天討論到這個人略的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].start |
9115.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].end |
9117.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].text |
你是不是還記得我上一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].start |
9117.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].end |
9119.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].text |
在質詢的時候也有相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].start |
9119.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].end |
9121.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].text |
這個提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].start |
9121.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].end |
9123.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].text |
指出過有一個標案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].start |
9123.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].end |
9125.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].text |
民眾要求地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].start |
9125.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].end |
9127.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].text |
落實與其 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].start |
9127.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].end |
9129.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].text |
官網登載之違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].start |
9129.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].end |
9131.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].text |
拖欲人員案情及資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].start |
9131.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].end |
9133.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].text |
那因與本部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].start |
9133.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].end |
9135.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].text |
社家署建置CRC的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].start |
9135.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].end |
9137.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].text |
資訊網違反 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].start |
9137.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].end |
9139.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].text |
而效法裁罰專區 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].start |
9139.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].end |
9141.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].text |
呈現的資訊一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].start |
9142.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].end |
9144.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].text |
結果之前政經各界的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].start |
9144.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].end |
9146.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].text |
這個胸口碎大石的虐兒案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].start |
9146.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].end |
9148.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].text |
那時候我就有說過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].start |
9148.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].end |
9150.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].text |
他們分別在2024年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].start |
9150.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].end |
9152.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].text |
3月27號有被罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].start |
9152.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].end |
9154.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].text |
6000元 然後教保 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].start |
9154.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].end |
9156.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].text |
服務人員對於誘惡有非 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].start |
9156.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].end |
9158.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].text |
屬情結重大之不當 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].start |
9158.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].end |
9160.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].text |
對待行為 那他在2024年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].start |
9160.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].end |
9162.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].text |
又有4月18號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].start |
9162.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].end |
9164.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].text |
也是有罰緩6000元 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].start |
9164.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].end |
9166.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].text |
教保服務機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].start |
9166.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].end |
9168.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].text |
有教保服務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].start |
9168.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].end |
9170.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].text |
誘惡不當對待的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].start |
9170.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].end |
9172.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].text |
這兩筆資料在你們的系統中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].start |
9172.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].end |
9174.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].text |
還是找不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].start |
9174.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].end |
9176.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].text |
請問你們有釐清原因了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].start |
9182.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].end |
9184.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].text |
沒辦法回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].start |
9184.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].end |
9186.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].text |
當時就有說你們為什麼找不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].start |
9186.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].end |
9188.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].text |
相關的紀錄 我上次就有問過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].start |
9190.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].end |
9192.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].text |
所以你們回去還是沒有釐清 為什麼會找不到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].start |
9192.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].end |
9194.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].text |
我原是說在那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].start |
9194.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].end |
9196.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].text |
教保系統上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].start |
9196.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].end |
9198.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].text |
就是你們社家屬的CRC資訊網裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].start |
9200.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].end |
9202.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].text |
要呈現這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].start |
9202.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].end |
9204.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].text |
兒竇裁罰專區要呈現資訊一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].start |
9205.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].end |
9207.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].text |
那我之前有說過這個胸口 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].start |
9207.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].end |
9209.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].text |
碎大石案的虐兒案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].start |
9209.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].end |
9211.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].text |
那個時候我說他們分別其實就有在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].start |
9211.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].end |
9213.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].text |
2024年的3月27號跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].start |
9213.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].end |
9215.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].text |
2024年的4月18號都有違規的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].start |
9215.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].end |
9217.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].text |
有被裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].start |
9217.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].end |
9219.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].text |
那為什麼你們的網站上面沒有找不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].start |
9219.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].end |
9221.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].text |
我說你們當時要回去釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].start |
9221.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].end |
9223.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].text |
原因你們釐清了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].start |
9224.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].end |
9226.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].text |
跟委員說明 我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].start |
9226.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].end |
9228.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].text |
目前的做法是用連結過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].start |
9228.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].end |
9230.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].text |
連結到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].start |
9230.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].end |
9232.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].text |
教保系統那邊去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].start |
9232.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].end |
9234.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].text |
那委員是希望是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].start |
9234.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].end |
9236.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].text |
我去查還是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].start |
9236.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].end |
9238.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].text |
那你們原因是什麼 沒有這兩案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].start |
9240.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].end |
9242.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].text |
那是應該在教保系統裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].start |
9243.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].end |
9245.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].text |
沒有那兩案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].start |
9245.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].end |
9247.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].text |
那你們社家屬也沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].start |
9247.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].end |
9249.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].text |
因為我們是用連結的方式過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].start |
9249.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].end |
9251.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].text |
好 我跟你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].start |
9251.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].end |
9253.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].text |
我去幫你們查的原因 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].start |
9253.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].end |
9255.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].text |
這個署長也應該要了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].start |
9255.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].end |
9257.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].text |
現行規定你們教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].start |
9257.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].end |
9259.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].text |
的確就有所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].start |
9259.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].end |
9261.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].text |
輕罪下架的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].start |
9262.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].end |
9264.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].text |
也就是說只要間隔一段時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].start |
9264.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].end |
9266.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].text |
即便有違規 有不當對待的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].start |
9266.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].end |
9268.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].text |
紀錄的保姆或幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].start |
9268.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].end |
9270.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].text |
他紀錄也會因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].start |
9270.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].end |
9272.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].text |
輕罪下架而被抹掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].start |
9272.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].end |
9274.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].text |
直接原地的消失 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].start |
9274.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].end |
9276.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].text |
未來在你們的資料庫也查不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].start |
9276.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].end |
9278.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].text |
所以衛福部你們去連結 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].start |
9278.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].end |
9280.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].text |
教育部的資料的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].start |
9280.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].end |
9282.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].text |
你就會因為他下架了 你找不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].start |
9284.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].end |
9286.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].text |
你現在才知道嗎 部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].start |
9286.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].end |
9288.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].text |
我不知道 有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].start |
9288.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].end |
9290.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].text |
所以我現在就是告訴你 我叫你們回去釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].start |
9290.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].end |
9292.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].text |
狀況你們根本沒有釐清嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].start |
9292.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].end |
9294.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].text |
所以這個部份是由前任的部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].start |
9294.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].end |
9296.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].text |
潘文忠時期所發布的公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].start |
9297.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].end |
9299.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].text |
我想確認一下 這樣子的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].start |
9299.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].end |
9301.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].text |
現在署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].start |
9300.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].end |
9302.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].text |
和我們衛福部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].start |
9302.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].end |
9304.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].text |
你們贊同這樣的做法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].start |
9307.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].end |
9309.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].text |
這個我們還是會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].start |
9309.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].end |
9311.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].text |
回到我們現在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].start |
9311.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].end |
9313.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].text |
兒少跟未來的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].start |
9313.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].end |
9315.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].text |
我就問你簡單的 你認同這樣的做法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].start |
9315.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].end |
9317.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].text |
他有一些資訊需要揭露的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].start |
9317.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].end |
9319.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].text |
來 部長回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].start |
9319.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].end |
9321.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].text |
你們認不認同這樣子當初定下來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].start |
9321.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].end |
9323.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].text |
做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].start |
9322.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].end |
9324.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].text |
剛剛委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].start |
9324.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].end |
9326.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].text |
第一點 當時這樣的做法是跟地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].start |
9326.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].end |
9328.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].text |
還有相關的團體一起規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].start |
9328.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].end |
9330.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].text |
那未來 部長 署長你簡單回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].start |
9330.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].end |
9332.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].text |
你認不認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].start |
9332.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].end |
9334.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].text |
未來在相關的實現上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].start |
9334.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].end |
9336.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].text |
會列入我們跟最近一次地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].start |
9336.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].end |
9338.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].text |
一起討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].start |
9338.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].end |
9340.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].text |
所以你認同還是不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].start |
9340.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].end |
9342.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].start |
9342.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].end |
9344.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].text |
因為這會涉及到可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].start |
9344.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].end |
9346.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].text |
譬如說我們可以罰到六千 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].start |
9346.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].end |
9348.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].text |
一直到六十萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].start |
9348.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].end |
9350.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].text |
哪一個界線 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].start |
9350.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].end |
9352.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].text |
這我已經呈現出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].start |
9352.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].end |
9354.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].text |
你說沒有 六千的是三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].start |
9354.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].end |
9356.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].text |
多少錢的是六個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].start |
9356.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].end |
9358.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].text |
因為這涉及到剛剛講的裁罰的輕重之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].start |
9358.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].end |
9360.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].text |
配以它是多少期限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].start |
9360.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].end |
9362.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].text |
好 部長 署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].start |
9362.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].end |
9364.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].text |
我跟你們說這也是一個很重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].start |
9364.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].end |
9366.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].text |
系統性漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].start |
9364.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].end |
9366.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].text |
這是一個系統性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].start |
9366.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].end |
9368.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].text |
會有這樣的漏洞也是雙重疊加的後果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].start |
9368.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].end |
9370.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].text |
所以我剛剛說最早可以追溯到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].start |
9370.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].end |
9372.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].text |
上一屆111年的5月31號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].start |
9372.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].end |
9374.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].text |
你們新增了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].start |
9374.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].end |
9376.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].text |
61條第四項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].start |
9376.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].end |
9378.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].text |
把公佈多久的權限移交給教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].start |
9379.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].end |
9383.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].text |
包含公佈負責人行為人機構名稱及常職者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].start |
9383.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].end |
9385.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].text |
其公佈期間由中央主管機關定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].start |
9387.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].end |
9389.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].text |
然後後來教育部就做出了一個非常荒謬的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].start |
9389.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].end |
9391.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].text |
就是資料庫針對裁罰對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].start |
9391.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].end |
9393.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].text |
最短最短只要公佈三個月就可以刪掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].start |
9396.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].end |
9398.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].text |
所以我想要請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].start |
9398.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].end |
9400.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].text |
或者署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].start |
9400.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].end |
9402.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].text |
右教法的第61條第四項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].start |
9402.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].end |
9404.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].text |
及教保人員條例的第49條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].start |
9404.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].end |
9406.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].text |
第四項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].start |
9406.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].end |
9408.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].text |
有不公佈或者是輕罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].start |
9408.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].end |
9410.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].text |
下架的空間嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].start |
9410.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].end |
9412.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].text |
有這樣子說嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].start |
9414.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].end |
9416.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].text |
這個在兩法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].start |
9416.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].end |
9418.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].text |
對於譬如說不讓管教 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].start |
9418.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].end |
9420.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].text |
或是重大的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].start |
9420.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].end |
9422.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].text |
在第51條28條等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].start |
9422.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].end |
9424.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].text |
這個是會比較重的公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].start |
9424.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].end |
9426.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].text |
那剛剛委員講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].start |
9426.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].end |
9428.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].text |
當時在相關的預告上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].start |
9428.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].end |
9430.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].text |
之後有一些討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].start |
9430.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].end |
9432.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].text |
包含法學專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].start |
9432.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].end |
9434.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].text |
這些我們未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].start |
9434.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].end |
9436.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].text |
實現過了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].start |
9436.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].end |
9438.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].text |
其實我們也一直接到一些訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].start |
9438.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].end |
9440.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].text |
為什麼我要提出這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].start |
9440.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].end |
9442.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].text |
是一個系統性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].start |
9442.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].end |
9444.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].text |
因為在今年四月的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].start |
9444.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].end |
9446.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].text |
台南中西區的愛迪生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].start |
9446.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].end |
9448.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].text |
滋幽幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].start |
9448.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].end |
9450.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].text |
爆發一起重大惡劣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].start |
9450.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].end |
9452.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].text |
把小孩子關進紙箱 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].start |
9452.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].end |
9454.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].text |
搖晃 推頭 壓臉 強迫餵食 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].start |
9454.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].end |
9456.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].text |
那你知道幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].start |
9456.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].end |
9458.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].text |
早在2019年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].start |
9458.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].end |
9460.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].text |
其實就已經有兩起違規紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].start |
9460.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].end |
9462.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].text |
那他分別被裁罰了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].start |
9462.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].end |
9464.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].text |
15000跟3000元 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].start |
9464.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].end |
9466.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].text |
但是你們現在資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].start |
9466.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].end |
9468.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].text |
家長是查不到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].start |
9468.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].end |
9470.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].text |
也就是說他被測下來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].start |
9470.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].end |
9472.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].text |
2020年 2021年之後可能他就查不到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].start |
9472.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].end |
9474.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].text |
然後這個被公佈的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].start |
9474.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].end |
9476.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].text |
謝姓負責人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].start |
9476.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].end |
9478.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].text |
他在2026爆發 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].start |
9478.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].end |
9480.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].text |
重大惡劣被停止招生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].start |
9480.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].end |
9482.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].text |
一年重罰50萬之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].start |
9482.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].end |
9484.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].text |
他被你們下架了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].start |
9484.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].end |
9486.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].text |
多少筆的前科你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].start |
9486.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].end |
9488.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].text |
你們可以回答嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].start |
9489.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].end |
9491.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].text |
剛剛委員所提的是大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].start |
9491.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].end |
9493.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].text |
依我們的參考是16筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].start |
9493.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].end |
9495.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].start |
9495.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].end |
9497.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].text |
16筆嘛對 你被下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].start |
9497.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].end |
9499.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].text |
你把他的這個相關的下架前科16筆了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].start |
9499.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].end |
9501.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].text |
也就是包含了2018年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].start |
9501.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].end |
9503.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].text |
11月5筆 2018年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].start |
9503.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].end |
9505.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].text |
12月6筆 2019年分別 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].start |
9505.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].end |
9507.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].text |
的裁罰還有3筆的這些罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].start |
9507.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].end |
9509.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].text |
他可以說是前科的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].start |
9509.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].end |
9511.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].text |
但是其實現在你們的網路上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].start |
9511.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].end |
9513.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].text |
家長是不知道 沒有辦法去你們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].start |
9513.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].end |
9515.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].text |
網站上面找到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].start |
9515.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].end |
9517.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].text |
那家長要如何知道自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].start |
9517.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].end |
9519.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].text |
不知道這間這個育幼中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].start |
9519.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].end |
9521.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].text |
是有沒有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].start |
9521.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].end |
9523.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].text |
所以如果教育部覺得不是不當對待的前科可以下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].start |
9523.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].end |
9525.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].text |
那我們再來看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].start |
9525.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].end |
9527.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].text |
下一個案子好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].start |
9527.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].end |
9529.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].text |
下一個案子呢 上一次高雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].start |
9529.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].end |
9531.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].text |
重大惡劣也是一個謝姓負責人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].start |
9531.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].end |
9533.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].text |
一樣在2024年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].start |
9533.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].end |
9535.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].text |
經濟部自來水股份有限公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].start |
9535.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].end |
9537.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].text |
第七區的管理處 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].start |
9537.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].end |
9539.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].text |
的職場就有兩筆不當對待 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].start |
9539.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].end |
9541.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].text |
那他結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].start |
9541.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].end |
9543.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].text |
資料也被下架之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].start |
9543.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].end |
9545.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].text |
他到了2026年就爆發了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].start |
9545.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].end |
9547.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].text |
重大惡劣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].start |
9547.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].end |
9549.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].text |
台南人人森林 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].start |
9549.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].end |
9551.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].text |
2023年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].start |
9551.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].end |
9553.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].text |
虐待行前科 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].start |
9553.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].end |
9555.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].text |
2024年的10月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].start |
9555.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].end |
9557.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].text |
開始到2025年也陸續被罰了13萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].start |
9558.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].end |
9560.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].text |
高雄的嘉欣幼兒園2024年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].start |
9560.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].end |
9562.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].text |
下架不當對待 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].start |
9562.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].end |
9564.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].text |
2025年再被罰12萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].start |
9565.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].end |
9567.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].text |
所以在台南高雄屏東 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].start |
9567.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].end |
9569.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].text |
這些縣市至少有7家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].start |
9569.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].end |
9571.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].text |
元所8筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].start |
9571.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].end |
9573.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].text |
虐童的前科被下架後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].start |
9573.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].end |
9575.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].text |
又爆發出20筆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].start |
9575.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].end |
9577.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].text |
虐童財閥 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].start |
9577.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].end |
9579.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].text |
所以部長署長我想請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].start |
9579.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].end |
9581.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].text |
這樣子你們覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].start |
9581.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].end |
9583.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].text |
這樣子的規定這樣子的下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].start |
9583.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].end |
9585.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].text |
有辦法達到你心目中的導證效果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].start |
9586.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].end |
9588.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].text |
對像這些下架的這個實現 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].start |
9588.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].end |
9590.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].text |
配以他原來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].start |
9590.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].end |
9592.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].text |
範型這一些在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].start |
9592.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].end |
9594.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].text |
最近的一次修法檢討中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].start |
9594.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].end |
9596.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].text |
都列為幫好人甚至跨部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].start |
9596.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].end |
9598.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].text |
以及跟地方政府一起來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].start |
9598.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].end |
9600.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].text |
檢視謝謝委員剛好我們也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].start |
9600.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].end |
9602.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].text |
列入檢討了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].start |
9602.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].end |
9604.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].text |
所以今天討論的我要講的事情是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].start |
9604.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].end |
9606.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].text |
這個中央則無旁貸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].start |
9606.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].end |
9608.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].text |
這根本是制度的問題導致 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].start |
9608.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].end |
9610.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].text |
系統性的錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].start |
9609.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].end |
9611.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].text |
所以這一些他已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].start |
9611.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].end |
9613.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].text |
累犯前科你們有辦法在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].start |
9613.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].end |
9615.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].text |
第一個家長不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].start |
9615.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].end |
9617.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].text |
然後第二個家長不知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].start |
9617.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].end |
9619.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].text |
情況之下你們去怎麼去督導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].start |
9619.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].end |
9621.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].text |
這些累犯的你怎麼樣進場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].start |
9621.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].end |
9623.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].text |
去改善這些累犯的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].start |
9624.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].end |
9626.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].text |
所以你們能不能在一個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].start |
9626.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].end |
9628.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].text |
盤查出到底有多少間在被裁罰過後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].start |
9628.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].end |
9630.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].text |
下架公告其後再犯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].start |
9630.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].end |
9632.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].text |
到底有哪些的清單給本席辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].start |
9632.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].end |
9634.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].start |
9634.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].end |
9636.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].text |
可以好署長答應了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].start |
9636.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].end |
9638.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].text |
那部長這裡有沒有要不要去追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].start |
9638.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].end |
9640.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].text |
一下你們兩邊的系統我們沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].start |
9640.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].end |
9642.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].text |
下架的問題我們上去就是上去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].start |
9642.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].end |
9644.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].text |
但是你是跟著他所以他下架了你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].start |
9644.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].end |
9646.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].text |
系統也會跟著更新因為我們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].start |
9646.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].end |
9648.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].text |
把我們的紀錄通通會給 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].start |
9648.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].end |
9650.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].text |
教育部我跟你說你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].start |
9650.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].end |
9652.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].text |
你們的系統就是有這個問題我們同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].start |
9652.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].end |
9654.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].text |
已經上網去查過了我剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].start |
9654.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].end |
9656.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].text |
也講過為什麼因為他們教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].start |
9656.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].end |
9658.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].text |
部這邊下架了之後你這邊可能是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].start |
9658.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].end |
9660.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].text |
用API或是什麼資訊聯動你可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].start |
9660.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].end |
9662.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].text |
跟著下架你連結的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].start |
9662.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].end |
9664.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].text |
所以你就跟著下架了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].start |
9664.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].end |
9666.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].text |
所以你也是一樣你根本搞不清楚說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].start |
9666.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].end |
9668.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].text |
為什麼他會斷鏈的這個資訊斷鏈了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].start |
9668.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].end |
9670.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].text |
所以到底有哪一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].start |
9670.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].end |
9672.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].text |
有在犯那針對這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].start |
9672.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].end |
9674.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].text |
累犯你們有沒有加重懲罰或者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].start |
9674.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].end |
9676.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].text |
公佈的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].start |
9675.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].end |
9677.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].text |
如果都沒有這不就是導致系統性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].start |
9677.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].end |
9679.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].text |
成為違規者的庇護所 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].start |
9679.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].end |
9681.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].text |
而虐的溫床的問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].start |
9682.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].end |
9684.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].text |
是不是你們這些累犯的因為你覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].start |
9684.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].end |
9686.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].text |
輕所以你下了你又沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].start |
9686.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].end |
9688.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].text |
針對累犯的去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].start |
9688.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].end |
9690.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].text |
嚴格的控管 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].start |
9692.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].end |
9694.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].text |
我跟你說喔部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].start |
9694.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].end |
9696.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].text |
我們的罰則裡面就有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].start |
9696.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].end |
9698.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].text |
累犯的去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].start |
9698.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].end |
9700.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].text |
就是他是一個範圍嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].start |
9700.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].end |
9702.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].text |
可是問題是你辭掉還是下架了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].start |
9702.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].end |
9704.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].text |
所以我要告訴你為什麼你們下架的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].start |
9704.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].end |
9706.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].text |
長曆起來的資料我們是怎麼盤點出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].start |
9706.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].end |
9708.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].text |
你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].start |
9707.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].end |
9709.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].text |
我們是從民間的資料庫去查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].start |
9710.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].end |
9712.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].text |
你政府的資料庫你自己沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].start |
9712.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].end |
9714.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].text |
給民間有這樣的信賴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].start |
9714.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].end |
9716.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].text |
信任是民間的網站 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].start |
9716.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].end |
9718.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].text |
自己譬如說幼兒童幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].start |
9718.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].end |
9720.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].text |
資料站還有自主的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].start |
9720.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].end |
9722.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].text |
備份資料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].start |
9722.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].end |
9724.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].text |
也就是說民間自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].start |
9724.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].end |
9726.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].text |
把教育部本來說可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].start |
9726.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].end |
9728.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].text |
要下架的資料他都先自己備份起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].start |
9728.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].end |
9730.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].text |
所以他在他網站上會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].start |
9730.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].end |
9732.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].text |
呈現出完整的紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].start |
9732.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].end |
9734.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].text |
沒有所謂下架的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].start |
9734.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].end |
9736.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].text |
所以這些被下架的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].start |
9736.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].end |
9738.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].text |
通通散落在這些民間的網站 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].start |
9738.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].end |
9740.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].text |
而且其實對於家長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].start |
9740.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].end |
9742.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].text |
來講他必須要花很大的力氣才查得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].start |
9743.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].end |
9745.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].text |
所以剛看到了我剛說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].start |
9745.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].end |
9747.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].text |
下架之後累犯然後爆發 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].start |
9747.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].end |
9749.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].text |
重大而虐其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].start |
9749.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].end |
9751.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].text |
現在就是說你們的所謂的輔導改正方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].start |
9751.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].end |
9753.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].text |
是根本沒有用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].start |
9753.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].end |
9755.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].text |
而且你們現在的這種機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].start |
9755.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].end |
9757.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].text |
還讓你們的資料庫喪失公信力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].start |
9758.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].end |
9760.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].text |
那倘若之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].start |
9760.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].end |
9762.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].text |
家長來就責說明明人家就累犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].start |
9762.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].end |
9764.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].text |
那我因為不知道所以我去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].start |
9764.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].end |
9766.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].text |
把小孩送到這裡然後發生了虐 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].start |
9766.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].end |
9768.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].text |
那這樣算誰的?算誰的責任? |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].start |
9768.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].end |
9770.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].text |
是不是中央應該也有責任? |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].start |
9770.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].end |
9772.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].text |
所以最後的結果就是你們每年花了200萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].start |
9772.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].end |
9774.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].text |
去做一個三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].start |
9774.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].end |
9776.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].text |
可能就會被裁罰下架的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].start |
9776.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].end |
9778.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].text |
沒有公信力的網站 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].start |
9778.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].end |
9780.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].text |
然後你們自己寬鬆的下架認定反而成為了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].start |
9780.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].end |
9782.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].text |
虐童的溫床 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].start |
9782.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].end |
9784.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].text |
讓重大而虐的寧願警系統被閹割的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].start |
9784.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].end |
9786.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].text |
刪掉了可能家長看不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].start |
9786.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].end |
9788.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].text |
然後也當做沒事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].start |
9788.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].end |
9790.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].text |
就是一種鴕鳥心態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].start |
9790.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].end |
9792.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].text |
更完全沒有起到輔導的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].start |
9792.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].end |
9794.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].text |
所以家長與其 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].start |
9794.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].end |
9796.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].text |
信你們的200萬一年的資料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].start |
9796.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].end |
9798.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].text |
更情願去查民間的資料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].start |
9798.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].end |
9800.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].text |
那請問你們建這個資料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].start |
9800.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].end |
9802.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].text |
還有它的意義存在嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].start |
9803.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].end |
9805.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].text |
所以部長署長我覺得真正的輔導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].start |
9805.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].end |
9807.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].text |
措施不是下架記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].start |
9807.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].end |
9809.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].text |
是你的記錄要保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].start |
9809.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].end |
9811.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].text |
然後由主管機關去輔導改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].start |
9811.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].end |
9813.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].text |
尤其是你發現它頻繁的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].start |
9813.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].end |
9815.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].text |
就算是小錯也累犯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].start |
9815.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].end |
9817.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].text |
你們的官方要來輔導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].start |
9817.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].end |
9819.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].text |
然後輔導完你才可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].start |
9819.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].end |
9821.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].text |
真正的去監控它 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].start |
9821.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].end |
9823.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].text |
是不是在管理上有改進 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].start |
9823.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].end |
9825.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].text |
這樣才有辦法確實的管考的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].start |
9825.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].end |
9827.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].text |
然後你們要盡責的去輔導改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].start |
9827.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].end |
9829.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].text |
未來這些機關再犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].start |
9829.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].end |
9831.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].text |
我們就可以監督問責 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].start |
9831.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].end |
9833.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].text |
這才是健康的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].start |
9833.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].end |
9835.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].text |
不是你好像做了一個虛有其表的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].start |
9835.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].end |
9837.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].text |
這個記錄資料庫結果又下架了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].start |
9837.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].end |
9839.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].text |
然後可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].start |
9839.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].end |
9841.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].text |
家長不知道了就送去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].start |
9841.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].end |
9843.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].text |
那最後又發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].start |
9843.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].end |
9845.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].text |
重大而虐 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].start |
9845.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].end |
9847.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].text |
這樣子的憾事我們不希望再看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].start |
9847.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].end |
9849.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].text |
所以這個部分是不是請教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].start |
9849.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].end |
9851.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].text |
跟請衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].start |
9851.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].end |
9853.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].text |
在一個月內提出檢討報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].start |
9853.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].end |
9855.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].text |
然後告訴本席主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].start |
9855.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].end |
9857.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].text |
重新認證的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].start |
9857.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].end |
9859.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].text |
然後你們兩個的資料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].start |
9859.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].end |
9861.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].text |
到底怎麼串接 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].start |
9861.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].end |
9863.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].text |
衛福部你覺得是只要尊重教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].start |
9863.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].end |
9865.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].text |
他什麼時間下架你就跟著更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].start |
9865.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].end |
9867.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].text |
還是你應該要盡責的把所有記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].start |
9867.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].end |
9869.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].text |
都完整的統計好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].start |
9869.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].end |
9871.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].text |
這個請你們兩個部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].start |
9872.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].end |
9874.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].text |
檢討給本席好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].start |
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好那這個謝謝署長 |
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署長可以回座了我接下來要再問 |
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部長有關於現在的 |
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善忠或是安樂死的議題 |
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今天剛好另外一個很重要的議題 |
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也就是社會很關心的安樂死這個議題 |
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那在這個上面 |
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我們是尊重善忠和自主權 |
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不過在另一方面 |
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我想要強調要補強另一方面的社會議題 |
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所以我想要先請教部長 |
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現在政府能不能夠充分 |
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的界定這個善忠的選擇 |
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他究竟是 |
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9904.9 |
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基於想要解脫痛苦 |
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9905.71 |
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9907.71 |
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還是因為他們失去了自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].start |
9907.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].end |
9909.71 |
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尊嚴跟社會的支持 |
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9909.71 |
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9911.71 |
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然後在我們社會支持 |
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9913.71 |
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社會福利不夠完善的狀況 |
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9913.71 |
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9915.71 |
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之下讓某些人寧可選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].start |
9915.71 |
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9917.71 |
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安樂死 |
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9917.23 |
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9921.23 |
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我非常認同這個委員所提到的這些觀點 |
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9921.23 |
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所以在推動這個安樂死的時候 |
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9923.23 |
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確實您所提到的 |
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這個社會的支持也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].start |
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或者是經濟的壓力也好 |
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9931.23 |
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這些都需要併同去考量進來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].start |
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對 所以部長 |
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9935.23 |
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國際官方的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].start |
9935.23 |
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9937.23 |
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所以等一下我想要先問你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].start |
9937.23 |
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9939.23 |
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現在你認同我的觀點 |
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9939.23 |
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9941.23 |
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但是你有辦法去區分說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].start |
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9943.23 |
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他到底是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].start |
9942.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].end |
9944.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].text |
想要基於解脫痛苦還是他們真的是 |
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9946.56 |
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因為失去了社會的支持 |
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9948.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].text |
相關的配套所以他不得不去選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].start |
9948.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].end |
9950.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].text |
安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].start |
9950.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].end |
9952.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].text |
所以從其他國家的施行的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].start |
9952.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].end |
9954.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].text |
確實這個是最困難的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].start |
9954.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].end |
9956.56 |
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也是他引發最多爭議的地方 |
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9956.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].end |
9958.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].text |
又什麼很多國家像英國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].start |
9958.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].end |
9960.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].text |
討論了這麼久還是無法完成立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].start |
9960.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].end |
9962.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].text |
所以我今天這個角度 |
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9962.56 |
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9964.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].text |
就是要告訴你從這個角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].start |
9964.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].end |
9966.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].text |
我們很關切的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].start |
9966.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].end |
9968.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].text |
國際的官方資料顯示求助死亡的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].start |
9968.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].end |
9970.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].text |
常常不是單一疼痛而是失去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].start |
9970.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].end |
9972.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].text |
自主失去尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].start |
9972.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].end |
9974.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].text |
失去有意義的生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].start |
9974.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].end |
9976.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].text |
甚至出現孤立然後認為自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].start |
9976.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].end |
9978.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].text |
成為負擔的感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].start |
9977.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].end |
9979.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].text |
所以美國全國性的調查研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].start |
9979.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].end |
9981.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].text |
也彙整指出成人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].start |
9981.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].end |
9983.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].text |
身心障礙者回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].start |
9983.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].end |
9985.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].text |
自殺想法的機率為非 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].start |
9985.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].end |
9987.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].text |
障礙者的兩到三倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].start |
9987.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].end |
9989.96 |
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那自殺計畫的呢還是 |
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9991.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].text |
二到四倍自殺企圖的 |
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9991.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].end |
9993.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].text |
約兩到三倍然後另外一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].start |
9993.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].end |
9995.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].text |
研究他也顯示喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].start |
9995.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].end |
9997.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].text |
障礙跟自殺念頭計畫跟企圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].start |
9997.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].end |
9999.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].text |
都有顯著的關聯 |
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9999.96 |
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10001.96 |
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那WHO也指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].start |
10001.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].end |
10003.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].text |
身心障礙者面臨更高的憂鬱 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].start |
10003.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].end |
10005.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].text |
跟健康不平等的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].start |
10007.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].end |
10009.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].text |
那這些研究的結果用百花紋來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].start |
10009.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].end |
10011.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].text |
如果一個人不是因為病痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].start |
10011.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].end |
10013.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].text |
本身不可承受而是因為在家裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].start |
10013.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].end |
10015.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].text |
生活活不下去出門找不到人協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].start |
10015.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].end |
10017.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].text |
照顧者撐不住 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].start |
10017.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].end |
10019.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].text |
只能住機構或者成為家人的長期負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].start |
10021.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].end |
10023.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].text |
這就不只是個人選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].start |
10023.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].end |
10025.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].text |
而是作為一個人的基本人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].start |
10025.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].end |
10027.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].text |
都被法令被制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].start |
10027.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].end |
10029.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].text |
被社會的環境因素被障礙了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].start |
10029.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].end |
10031.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].text |
這個我們之前討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].start |
10031.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].end |
10033.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].text |
申權法所以部長你認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].start |
10033.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].end |
10035.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].text |
我這個觀點和研究嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].start |
10035.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].end |
10037.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].text |
我非常認同這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].start |
10037.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].end |
10039.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].text |
很深度的討論了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].start |
10039.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].end |
10041.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].text |
從我們國內的自己的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].start |
10041.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].end |
10043.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].text |
從我們的自殺原因的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].start |
10043.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].end |
10045.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].text |
這些自殺企圖的原因調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].start |
10045.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].end |
10047.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].text |
也可以發現到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].start |
10047.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].end |
10049.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].text |
那麼在高齡特別是在高齡者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].start |
10049.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].end |
10051.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].text |
疾病因素跟憂鬱情緒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].start |
10051.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].end |
10053.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].text |
那麼精神的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].start |
10053.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].end |
10055.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].text |
這個是造成他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].start |
10055.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].end |
10057.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].text |
自殺意念的一個因素之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].start |
10057.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].end |
10059.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].text |
那如果是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].start |
10059.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].end |
10061.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].text |
中壯年的時期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].start |
10061.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].end |
10063.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].text |
那麼他的家庭經濟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].start |
10063.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].end |
10065.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].text |
跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].start |
10065.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].end |
10067.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].text |
所以部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].start |
10067.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].end |
10069.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].text |
我知道所以我想要給你看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].start |
10069.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].end |
10071.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].text |
這個影片可以播嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].start |
10071.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].end |
10072.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].start |
10073.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].end |
10075.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].text |
相關政策更是政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].start |
10075.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].end |
10077.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].text |
迫切要面對的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].start |
10081.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].end |
10085.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].text |
很早就已經發展出一套系統了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].start |
10085.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].end |
10087.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].text |
他們也不只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].start |
10087.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].end |
10090.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].text |
政府政策上面的資源要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].start |
10090.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].end |
10092.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].text |
他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].start |
10092.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].end |
10096.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].text |
上網的這些經營的記憶上的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].start |
10096.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].end |
10098.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].text |
所以他們他有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].start |
10099.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].end |
10101.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].text |
還有辦法有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].start |
10101.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].end |
10103.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].text |
政黨助理可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].start |
10103.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].end |
10107.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].text |
二次小時協助你過政過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].start |
10107.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].end |
10109.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].text |
那如果台灣有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].start |
10109.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].end |
10113.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].text |
我們可以有這樣子的制度的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].start |
10113.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].end |
10115.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].text |
那當然我也可以不用選擇這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].start |
10117.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].end |
10119.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].text |
對所以這個議題就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].start |
10119.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].end |
10121.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].text |
他後來可能去選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].start |
10121.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].end |
10123.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].text |
安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].start |
10123.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].end |
10125.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].text |
那就是因為我們這個就是一個活生生的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].start |
10125.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].end |
10127.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].text |
就是因為我們社會沒有辦法支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].start |
10127.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].end |
10129.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].text |
我們現在討論申權法這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].start |
10129.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].end |
10131.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].text |
所謂的個人協助制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].start |
10132.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].end |
10134.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].text |
對不對就有高度的相關嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].start |
10134.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].end |
10136.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].text |
所以有各處的協助可以讓許多的障礙者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].start |
10136.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].end |
10138.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].text |
尤其是重度的障礙者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].start |
10138.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].end |
10140.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].text |
可以活得有尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].start |
10140.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].end |
10142.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].text |
而且要補這個填補長照不足的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].start |
10146.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].end |
10148.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].text |
所以衛福部在2022年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].start |
10148.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].end |
10150.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].text |
提交立法院的報告也指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].start |
10150.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].end |
10152.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].text |
2018年至2021年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].start |
10152.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].end |
10154.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].text |
個人助理使用人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].start |
10154.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].end |
10156.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].text |
只有從532人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].start |
10156.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].end |
10158.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].text |
增加到800人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].start |
10158.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].end |
10160.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].text |
2022年的上半年為750人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].start |
10160.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].end |
10162.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].text |
那現在大概是1300人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].start |
10162.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].end |
10164.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].text |
相較於台灣有身心障礙證明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].start |
10164.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].end |
10166.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].text |
和重度障礙的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].start |
10166.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].end |
10168.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].text |
需求的量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].start |
10168.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].end |
10170.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].text |
顯得非常的有限喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].start |
10170.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].end |
10172.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].text |
所以我想要問部長喔接下來對個人助理的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].start |
10172.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].end |
10174.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].text |
也就是申權法保障的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].start |
10174.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].end |
10176.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].text |
你們預計要編列多少經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].start |
10176.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].end |
10178.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].text |
你們要如何保障這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].start |
10178.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].end |
10180.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].text |
被制度逼死的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].start |
10180.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].end |
10182.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].text |
不要再發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].start |
10182.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].end |
10184.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].text |
因為如果也是安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].start |
10184.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].end |
10186.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].text |
未來如果通過之後很可能我們需要面對的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].start |
10188.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].end |
10190.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].start |
10190.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].end |
10192.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].text |
其實我們也在努力的推動這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].start |
10192.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].end |
10194.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].text |
個人助理特別是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].start |
10194.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].end |
10196.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].text |
自立生活的支持其實預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].start |
10196.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].end |
10198.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].text |
也從110年的8000多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].start |
10198.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].end |
10200.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].text |
到115年已經到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].start |
10200.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].end |
10202.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].text |
突破4億了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].start |
10202.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].end |
10204.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].text |
所以我們也是努力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].start |
10204.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].end |
10206.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].text |
再增加這些協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].start |
10206.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].end |
10208.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].text |
但是這些障礙者他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].start |
10208.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].end |
10210.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].text |
並不覺得真的被支持到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].start |
10210.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].end |
10212.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].text |
這些障礙團體都是大聲在疾呼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].start |
10212.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].end |
10214.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].text |
不管是入法專章 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].start |
10214.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].end |
10216.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].text |
或者是專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].start |
10216.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].end |
10218.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].text |
還是你的訓練人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].start |
10218.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].end |
10220.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].text |
然後你的經費到底足不足夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].start |
10220.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].end |
10222.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].start |
10220.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].end |
10222.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].text |
我想要說對於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].start |
10222.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].end |
10224.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].text |
個人助理的培訓加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].start |
10224.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].end |
10226.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].text |
甚至他們的待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].start |
10226.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].end |
10228.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].text |
還有未來的人力安排經費編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].start |
10228.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].end |
10230.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].text |
你們是不是可以再繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].start |
10230.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].end |
10232.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].text |
擴大支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].start |
10232.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].end |
10234.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].text |
我們現在也在調高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].start |
10234.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].end |
10236.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].text |
相關的費用的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].start |
10236.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].end |
10238.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].text |
給他調高因為人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].start |
10238.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].end |
10240.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].text |
還是一個瓶頸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].start |
10240.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].end |
10242.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].text |
就是這些個人助理的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].start |
10242.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].end |
10244.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].text |
是一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].start |
10244.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].end |
10246.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].text |
所以我們需要去調高他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].start |
10246.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].end |
10248.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].text |
這個支付 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].start |
10248.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].end |
10250.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].text |
我們希望除了預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].start |
10250.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].end |
10252.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].text |
相關的配套支持之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].start |
10252.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].end |
10254.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].text |
真的需要更加重視入法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].start |
10254.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].end |
10256.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].text |
制度的設計上相關的執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].start |
10256.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].end |
10258.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].text |
我們也會逐步的去強化他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].start |
10258.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].end |
10260.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].text |
部長我想要講的很簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].start |
10260.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].end |
10262.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].text |
其實只要看得出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].start |
10262.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].end |
10264.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].text |
是支持不夠福利不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].start |
10264.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].end |
10266.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].text |
照顧出問題的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].start |
10266.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].end |
10268.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].text |
這些都會影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].start |
10268.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].end |
10270.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].text |
重政者想不想活下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].start |
10270.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].end |
10272.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].text |
所以國家能不能把每一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].start |
10272.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].end |
10274.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].text |
想死的個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].start |
10274.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].end |
10276.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].text |
如果國家是不能夠把每一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].start |
10276.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].end |
10278.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].text |
想死的個案都推給他天生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].start |
10278.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].end |
10280.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].text |
就是這樣或是這是醫療問題等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].start |
10280.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].end |
10282.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].text |
國家存在的目的就是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].start |
10282.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].end |
10284.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].text |
保障每個人每個需要的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].start |
10284.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].end |
10286.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].text |
都有尊嚴的生存權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].start |
10286.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].end |
10288.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].text |
還有更好的生活所以國家有義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].start |
10288.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].end |
10290.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].text |
先把這個基本的生活條件補起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].start |
10290.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].end |
10292.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].text |
你應該趕快的把這塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].start |
10292.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].end |
10294.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].text |
補起來不然我們看到很多重度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].start |
10294.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].end |
10296.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].text |
障礙者他晚上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].start |
10296.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].end |
10298.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].text |
半夜三斤想要吃個香蕉都很困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].start |
10298.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].end |
10300.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].text |
這個是日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].start |
10300.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].end |
10302.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].text |
有一個相關的影片請部長回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].start |
10302.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].end |
10304.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].text |
可以好好體會一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].start |
10304.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].end |
10306.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].text |
我真的覺得這是需要大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].start |
10306.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].end |
10308.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].text |
共同有同理心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].start |
10308.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].end |
10310.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].text |
最後不好意思主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].start |
10310.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].end |
10312.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].text |
真的兩件事也蠻重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].start |
10312.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].end |
10314.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].text |
但是我會很簡短的請部長回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].start |
10314.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].end |
10316.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].text |
其實這次包含剛剛討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].start |
10316.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].end |
10318.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].text |
所謂的食安的專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].start |
10318.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].end |
10320.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].text |
其實也有相關的報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].start |
10319.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].end |
10321.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].text |
包含之前這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].start |
10321.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].end |
10323.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].text |
我想要請問一下你們這個專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].start |
10323.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].end |
10327.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].text |
你們的相關記錄相關的錄音檔你們會保存多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].start |
10328.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].end |
10330.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].text |
剛剛我已經在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].start |
10330.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].end |
10332.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].text |
回覆王玉明委員這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].start |
10332.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].end |
10334.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].text |
那麼我們會把這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].start |
10334.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].end |
10336.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].text |
資料一送給剪掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].start |
10336.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].end |
10338.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].text |
所以不會銷毀你要確定喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].start |
10338.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].end |
10340.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].text |
因為過去在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].start |
10340.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].end |
10342.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].text |
這個疫苗相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].start |
10342.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].end |
10344.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].text |
專家會議的時候疫苗受害者專家會議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].start |
10344.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].end |
10346.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].text |
你們的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].start |
10346.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].end |
10348.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].text |
記錄說一個月就會把它銷毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].start |
10348.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].end |
10350.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].text |
錄音檔就會銷毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].start |
10350.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].end |
10352.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].text |
可是導致後來根本就沒有辦法去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].start |
10352.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].end |
10354.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].text |
在法院有相關的證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].start |
10354.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].end |
10356.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].text |
你要在這裡跟本席保證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].start |
10356.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].end |
10358.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].text |
你的所有相關的錄音檔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].start |
10360.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].end |
10362.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].text |
都完整的保存 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].start |
10362.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].end |
10364.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].text |
我們現在就把這些資料一送給剪掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].start |
10364.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].end |
10366.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].text |
就會一送給剪掉去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].start |
10366.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].end |
10368.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].text |
所以不會銷毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].start |
10368.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].end |
10370.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].text |
這個證物就變成是證物了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].start |
10370.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].end |
10372.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].text |
這個第一件事情我要提醒你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].start |
10372.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].end |
10374.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].text |
第二件事情是8月8號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].start |
10374.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].end |
10376.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].text |
快要到了我想請教一下部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].start |
10376.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].end |
10378.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].text |
我過去長期倡議多次質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].start |
10378.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].end |
10380.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].text |
有關於社會互現公費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].start |
10380.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].end |
10382.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].text |
癌篩的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].start |
10382.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].end |
10384.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].text |
請問現在的狀況如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].start |
10384.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].end |
10386.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].text |
可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].start |
10385.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].end |
10387.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].text |
告訴本席可以在8月8號的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].start |
10387.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].end |
10389.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].text |
給這些男性們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].start |
10389.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].end |
10391.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].text |
父親節一個禮物 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].start |
10392.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].end |
10394.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].text |
因為我昨天才參加了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].start |
10394.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].end |
10396.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].text |
也是因為社會互現癌太晚發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].start |
10396.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].end |
10398.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].text |
所以轉移到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].start |
10398.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].end |
10400.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].text |
這個各個器官的一個告別式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].start |
10400.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].end |
10402.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].text |
我認為這是現在很嚴重的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].start |
10402.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].end |
10404.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].text |
那部長你當初也跟我說過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].start |
10404.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].end |
10406.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].text |
現在的技術做得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].start |
10406.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].end |
10408.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].text |
可以更精準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].start |
10408.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].end |
10410.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].text |
偽陽性更低 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].start |
10410.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].end |
10412.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].text |
你有跟本席說過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].start |
10412.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].end |
10414.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].text |
你可不可以在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].start |
10413.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].end |
10415.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].text |
給本席一個答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].start |
10443.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].end |
10445.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].text |
其實已經到第五位了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].start |
10445.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].end |
10447.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].text |
然後隨著高凝化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].start |
10447.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].end |
10449.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].text |
他的發生率 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].start |
10449.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].end |
10451.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].text |
也是在上升 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].start |
10451.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].end |
10453.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].text |
所以我們會在年底之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].start |
10453.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].end |
10455.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].text |
提出一個國家的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].start |
10455.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].end |
10457.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].text |
不是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].start |
10457.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].end |
10459.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].text |
部長你不要搞到年底 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].start |
10459.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].end |
10461.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].text |
8月8號快到了父親節 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].start |
10461.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].end |
10463.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].text |
你趕快在這裡承諾一下大家吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].start |
10463.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].end |
10465.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].text |
委員這個要搭配預算的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].start |
10465.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].end |
10467.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].text |
不是我說了馬上就可以做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].start |
10467.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].end |
10469.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].text |
所以他要有一個完整的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].start |
10469.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].end |
10471.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].text |
你如果已經有這個意向了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].start |
10471.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].end |
10473.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].text |
你只是預算的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].start |
10473.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].end |
10475.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].text |
那你就編嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].start |
10475.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].end |
10477.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].text |
我們希望明年來推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].start |
10477.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].end |
10479.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].text |
希望明年所以你會做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].start |
10479.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].end |
10481.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].text |
會會會做謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].start |
10481.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].end |
10483.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].text |
請大家把這個幾乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].start |
10483.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].end |
10485.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].text |
不要說往這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].start |
10485.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].end |
10487.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].text |
你會做還是不會做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].start |
10487.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].end |
10489.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].text |
我們現在正在規劃中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].start |
10489.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].end |
10491.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].text |
你已經都說會做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].start |
10491.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].end |
10493.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].text |
你8月8號送給大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].start |
10493.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].end |
10495.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].text |
男性一個父親節大禮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].start |
10495.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].end |
10497.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].text |
這個沒有幾天的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].start |
10497.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].end |
10499.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].text |
我覺得太草率了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].start |
10499.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].end |
10501.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].text |
要嚴謹的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].start |
10501.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].end |
10503.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].text |
所以現在的問題都沒了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].start |
10503.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].end |
10505.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].text |
就是預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].start |
10505.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].end |
10507.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].text |
過去有很多女性的來篩 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].start |
10507.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].end |
10509.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].text |
也都有預算支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].start |
10509.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].end |
10511.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].text |
我想這個社務線來已經賣到前五名了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].start |
10511.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].end |
10513.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].text |
社務線來的篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].start |
10513.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].end |
10515.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].text |
那麼他有包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].start |
10515.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].end |
10517.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].text |
對象還有篩檢的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].start |
10517.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].end |
10519.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].text |
還有他的proco code |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].start |
10519.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].end |
10521.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].text |
跟後面如何去接診 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].start |
10521.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].end |
10523.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].text |
可以好好的再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].start |
10523.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].end |
10525.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].text |
檢討討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].start |
10525.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].end |
10527.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].text |
但是我本席就是要你一個承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].start |
10527.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].end |
10529.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].text |
好久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].start |
10529.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].end |
10531.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].text |
你張市明明也承諾說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].start |
10531.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].end |
10533.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].text |
現在的技術也都做得到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].start |
10533.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].end |
10535.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].text |
所以你不能把預算當做一個藉口 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].start |
10535.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].end |
10537.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].text |
這個預算一定要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].start |
10537.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].end |
10539.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].text |
不然我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].start |
10539.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].end |
10541.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].text |
所以你要做了你就編預算了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].start |
10541.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].end |
10543.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].text |
我相信衛環委員會的所有的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].start |
10543.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].end |
10545.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].text |
這些很棒的委員們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].start |
10545.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].end |
10547.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].text |
都會支持的好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].start |
10547.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].end |
10549.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].text |
謝謝委員的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].start |
10550.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].end |
10552.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].text |
好謝謝廖宇翔委員的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].start |
10552.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].end |
10554.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].text |
也謝謝部長的答詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].start |
10554.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].end |
10556.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].text |
下位請林淑雯委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].start |
10566.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].end |
10568.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].text |
好謝謝主席喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].start |
10568.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].end |
10570.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].text |
是不是請我們的時務長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].start |
10571.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].end |
10573.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].text |
也請時務長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].start |
10575.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].end |
10577.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].start |
10578.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].end |
10580.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].text |
大家求好死 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].start |
10580.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].end |
10584.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].text |
善終都是成為年長者口中所謂的福報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].start |
10584.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].end |
10586.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].text |
我們經常在走基層 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].start |
10586.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].end |
10588.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].text |
那也 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].start |
10588.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].end |
10590.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].text |
聽到很多的心聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].start |
10590.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].end |
10592.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].text |
這是社會上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].start |
10592.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].end |
10594.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].text |
切切實實很多人的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].start |
10594.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].end |
10596.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].text |
很多人支持安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].start |
10596.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].end |
10598.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].text |
但也不是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].start |
10598.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].end |
10600.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].text |
我們不珍惜生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].start |
10600.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].end |
10602.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].text |
而是我們害怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].start |
10602.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].end |
10604.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].text |
是不是癌症末期無法控制的疼痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].start |
10604.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].end |
10606.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].text |
是不是失智以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].start |
10606.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].end |
10608.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].text |
整個帶給家人的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].start |
10608.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].end |
10610.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].text |
或者是中風以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].start |
10610.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].end |
10612.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].text |
長期臥床完全失能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].start |
10612.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].end |
10614.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].text |
完全的依賴他人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].start |
10614.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].end |
10618.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].text |
成為家庭裡面的照顧和經濟上的重擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].start |
10618.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].end |
10620.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].start |
10622.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].end |
10624.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].text |
的確就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].start |
10624.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].end |
10626.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].text |
你說大家都覺得說不尊重生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].start |
10626.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].end |
10628.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].text |
不是我們真的不是那樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].start |
10628.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].end |
10630.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].text |
那這種恐懼非常的強大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].start |
10630.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].end |
10632.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].text |
包括我自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].start |
10632.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].end |
10634.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].text |
包括我自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].start |
10634.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].end |
10636.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].text |
我都支持說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].start |
10636.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].end |
10638.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].text |
我們要有安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].start |
10638.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].end |
10640.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].text |
因為我們看了很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].start |
10640.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].end |
10642.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].text |
身邊的人真的也很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].start |
10642.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].end |
10644.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].text |
這樣的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].start |
10644.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].end |
10646.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].text |
所以並不是憑空去想像那種恐懼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].start |
10646.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].end |
10648.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].text |
而是真真實實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].start |
10648.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].end |
10650.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].text |
每個人看得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].start |
10650.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].end |
10652.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].text |
然後接觸得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].start |
10652.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].end |
10654.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].text |
甚至都發生過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].start |
10654.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].end |
10656.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].text |
所以在這種狀況裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].start |
10659.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].end |
10663.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].text |
加拿大有一項針對醫療協助死亡的申請者的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].start |
10663.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].end |
10667.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].text |
因為這個社會的對話一定要開啟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].start |
10667.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].end |
10669.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].text |
而台灣這個社會的對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].start |
10669.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].end |
10673.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].text |
我們很遺憾官方的正式的從來沒有開啟過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].start |
10673.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].end |
10675.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].text |
而立法院今天是第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].start |
10675.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].end |
10677.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].text |
而立法院的第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].start |
10677.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].end |
10679.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].text |
就直接進入了巡達 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].start |
10679.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].end |
10681.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].text |
而沒有公聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].start |
10681.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].end |
10683.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].text |
沒有在傾聽這個民間的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].start |
10683.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].end |
10685.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].text |
可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].start |
10685.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].end |
10687.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].text |
在加拿大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].start |
10687.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].end |
10689.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].text |
已經有一項這個研究發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].start |
10689.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].end |
10691.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].text |
他們實際上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].start |
10691.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].end |
10695.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].text |
接受醫療協助死亡者提出的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].start |
10695.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].end |
10697.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].text |
不只是疾病症狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].start |
10697.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].end |
10699.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].text |
有五成提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].start |
10699.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].end |
10701.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].text |
他失去自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].start |
10701.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].end |
10703.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].text |
然後近五成提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].start |
10703.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].end |
10705.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].text |
他失去從事喜愛活動的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].start |
10705.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].end |
10709.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].text |
也有人是出於對未來痛苦的恐懼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].start |
10709.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].end |
10711.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].text |
那相關的訪談 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].start |
10711.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].end |
10713.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].text |
研究也發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].start |
10713.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].end |
10715.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].text |
患者所認為的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].start |
10715.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].end |
10717.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].text |
接受的生活品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].start |
10717.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].end |
10719.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].text |
這個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].start |
10719.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].end |
10723.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].text |
通常都會跟失去獨立行動和溝通能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].start |
10723.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].end |
10727.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].text |
以及失去的人生目的和有意義的活動有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].start |
10727.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].end |
10729.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].start |
10729.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].end |
10731.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].text |
在這裡大家都覺得說生命是無價 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].start |
10731.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].end |
10733.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].text |
可是生命無價這句話太容易了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].start |
10733.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].end |
10735.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].text |
因為你要求一個病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].start |
10735.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].end |
10737.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].text |
繼續承受一切 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].start |
10737.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].end |
10739.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].text |
不能夠因為害怕老去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].start |
10739.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].end |
10741.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].text |
不能夠害怕失能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].start |
10741.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].end |
10743.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].text |
不能夠害怕長期照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].start |
10743.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].end |
10745.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].text |
就急著用安樂死回應這一些恐懼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].start |
10745.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].end |
10747.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].text |
我覺得你們就是用這種道德來回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].start |
10749.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].end |
10751.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].text |
支持的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].start |
10751.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].end |
10755.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].text |
可是的確這個是很扎扎實實的存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].start |
10756.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].end |
10758.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].text |
所以我們在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].start |
10758.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].end |
10760.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].text |
我們也知道說因為死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].start |
10760.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].end |
10762.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].text |
是生命一旦終止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].start |
10762.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].end |
10764.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].text |
都沒有辦法補救 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].start |
10765.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].end |
10767.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].text |
你誤判了也沒有辦法補救 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].start |
10767.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].end |
10769.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].text |
所以我們今天要談的不是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].start |
10769.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].end |
10771.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].text |
大家你支持或是你反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].start |
10771.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].end |
10773.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].text |
而是我們希望這個對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].start |
10773.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].end |
10775.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].text |
今天第一次的對話我們要談更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].start |
10775.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].end |
10777.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].text |
而台灣的醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].start |
10777.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].end |
10779.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].text |
台灣的長照制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].start |
10779.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].end |
10781.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].text |
台灣的社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].start |
10781.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].end |
10783.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].text |
支持的條件法律的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].start |
10783.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].end |
10785.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].text |
是不是已經準備好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].start |
10785.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].end |
10787.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].text |
要承擔這一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].start |
10787.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].end |
10789.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].text |
無法挽回的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].start |
10789.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].end |
10791.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].text |
我們這個社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].start |
10791.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].end |
10793.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].text |
準備好了沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].start |
10793.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].end |
10797.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].text |
那安樂死要開放到哪個程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].start |
10797.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].end |
10799.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].text |
我們要先劃出適用的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].start |
10799.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].end |
10801.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].text |
大家都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].start |
10801.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].end |
10803.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].text |
實施安樂死或醫治死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].start |
10803.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].end |
10805.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].text |
醫療協助死亡的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].start |
10805.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].end |
10807.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].text |
適用的範圍都不相同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].start |
10807.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].end |
10809.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].text |
大概分成兩種模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].start |
10809.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].end |
10811.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].text |
第一種就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].start |
10811.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].end |
10813.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].text |
很侷限說在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].start |
10813.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].end |
10817.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].text |
死亡已經接近的末期的病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].start |
10817.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].end |
10819.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].text |
大家都其實在道德上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].start |
10819.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].end |
10821.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].text |
壓力也比較少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].start |
10821.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].end |
10823.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].text |
爭端爭議也比較少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].start |
10823.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].end |
10825.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].text |
但另一種是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].start |
10825.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].end |
10829.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].text |
不要求病人即將末期即將死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].start |
10829.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].end |
10831.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].text |
只要你疾病無法治癒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].start |
10831.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].end |
10833.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].text |
痛苦無法忍受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].start |
10833.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].end |
10835.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].text |
經過法定審查後就直接適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].start |
10837.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].end |
10839.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].text |
美國的阿勒岡跟紐西蘭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].start |
10839.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].end |
10843.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].text |
大概採取的是相對限縮的模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].start |
10845.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].end |
10847.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].text |
只要你是可能在六個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].start |
10847.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].end |
10851.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].text |
醫生判定六個月內死亡的末期病患 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].start |
10851.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].end |
10855.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].text |
你申請還有執行時具備決定的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].start |
10855.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].end |
10859.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].text |
自行服藥或者是醫助死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].start |
10859.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].end |
10863.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].text |
但可以看得到病人死亡都接近了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].start |
10863.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].end |
10865.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].text |
就比較限縮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].start |
10865.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].end |
10867.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].text |
可是大家社會上普遍爭議的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].start |
10867.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].end |
10871.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].text |
不是在這一種相對限縮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].start |
10871.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].end |
10873.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].text |
很大的爭議是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].start |
10873.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].end |
10875.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].text |
加拿大和荷蘭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].start |
10875.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].end |
10877.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].text |
他們的適用範圍比較寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].start |
10877.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].end |
10881.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].text |
然後也不要求要接近死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].start |
10881.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].end |
10883.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].text |
加拿大本來是侷限在接近死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].start |
10883.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].end |
10885.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].text |
但他們後來放寬了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].start |
10885.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].end |
10891.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].text |
他們2021年起不再要求比較侷限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].start |
10891.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].end |
10895.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].text |
而是比較放寬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].start |
10895.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].end |
10899.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].text |
針對自然死亡並不是合理可預見的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].start |
10899.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].end |
10903.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].text |
即便你沒有合理的可預見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].start |
10903.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].end |
10907.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].text |
但是你還是經過了第二軌的審查程序的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].start |
10907.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].end |
10909.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].text |
他還是會放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].start |
10910.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].end |
10912.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].text |
捷我加拿大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].start |
10913.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].end |
10915.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].text |
2024年那一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].start |
10915.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].end |
10919.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].text |
那一年一共有16499人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].start |
10919.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].end |
10921.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].text |
好多喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].start |
10921.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].end |
10925.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].text |
他們去申請接受醫療協助一處死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].start |
10925.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].end |
10929.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].text |
但是16499人裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].start |
10929.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].end |
10931.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].text |
第二軌的進入到第二軌 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].start |
10931.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].end |
10933.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].text |
就是大部分都是默契啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].start |
10933.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].end |
10935.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].text |
但不是默契 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].start |
10935.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].end |
10937.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].text |
但是也是同意他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].start |
10937.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].end |
10939.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].text |
去申請的有732人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].start |
10939.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].end |
10941.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].start |
10941.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].end |
10943.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].text |
抱歉同意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].start |
10945.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].end |
10947.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].text |
是732人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].start |
10947.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].end |
10951.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].text |
但是申請的案件有1233個件數申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].start |
10951.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].end |
10955.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].text |
其中有321件被認定不符合資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].start |
10955.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].end |
10957.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].text |
大概26%不符合資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].start |
10957.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].end |
10961.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].text |
然後不被許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].start |
10961.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].end |
10963.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].text |
在這種狀況裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].start |
10963.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].end |
10965.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].text |
這種案件都要審查很久很久 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].start |
10965.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].end |
10967.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].text |
這顯示因為死亡不是開玩笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].start |
10967.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].end |
10971.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].text |
你一旦判定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].start |
10971.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].end |
10973.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].text |
他其實是不可逆轉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].start |
10973.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].end |
10975.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].text |
所以是很嚴肅的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].start |
10975.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].end |
10977.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].text |
所以在這裡都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].start |
10977.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].end |
10979.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].text |
你是不是死亡將近啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].start |
10979.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].end |
10981.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].text |
你這個疾病是不是難以治癒啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].start |
10981.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].end |
10983.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].text |
你這個衰退是不是不可逆啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].start |
10983.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].end |
10985.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].text |
你的痛苦是不是有其他緩解的辦法等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].start |
10988.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].end |
10990.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].text |
都要成為判斷的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].start |
10990.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].end |
10996.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].text |
那荷蘭也不是以這個默契或6個月死亡為必要要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].start |
10996.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].end |
11000.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].text |
只要病人的痛苦符合具有醫療上的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].start |
11000.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].end |
11004.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].text |
而且已經無法忍受且沒有改善的希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].start |
11004.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].end |
11006.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].text |
並符合自願而審慎的請求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].start |
11006.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].end |
11008.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].text |
充分的告知 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].start |
11008.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].end |
11012.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].text |
沒有合理替代方法及獨立醫師評估等條件就可以適用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].start |
11014.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].end |
11016.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].start |
11017.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].end |
11019.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].text |
在荷蘭裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].start |
11019.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].end |
11021.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].text |
如果你是說我年事已高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].start |
11021.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].end |
11023.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].text |
我認為人生已經完整了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].start |
11023.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].end |
11025.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].text |
那我對繼續生活失去期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].start |
11026.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].end |
11030.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].text |
這個是不足以構成他們許可安樂死的法定事由 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].start |
11030.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].end |
11032.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].text |
那這兩種模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].start |
11033.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].end |
11035.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].text |
我們今天兩個兩個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].start |
11037.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].end |
11039.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].text |
都類似 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].start |
11039.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].end |
11041.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].text |
一個是局限在默契 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].start |
11041.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].end |
11043.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].text |
接近死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].start |
11043.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].end |
11045.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].text |
一個是不已接近死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].start |
11045.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].end |
11047.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].text |
然後只要痛苦難耐 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].start |
11047.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].end |
11049.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].text |
大概就開放了這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].start |
11049.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].end |
11051.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].text |
所以這個這兩個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].start |
11051.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].end |
11053.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].text |
和這世界上存在的這兩種模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].start |
11053.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].end |
11055.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].text |
大概這兩個提案就可以代表了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].start |
11056.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].end |
11058.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].text |
那這個兩個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].start |
11058.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].end |
11060.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].text |
或這兩種模式的差別 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].start |
11060.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].end |
11062.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].text |
不是只有適用範圍不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].start |
11062.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].end |
11064.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].text |
而是國家允許醫療介入死亡的理由不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].start |
11064.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].end |
11066.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].text |
所以這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].start |
11069.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].end |
11071.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].text |
我們要講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].start |
11071.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].end |
11073.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].text |
回到這兩份草案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].start |
11073.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].end |
11075.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].text |
陳冠廷的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].start |
11075.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].end |
11077.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].text |
就是要求病人承受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].start |
11077.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].end |
11079.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].start |
11078.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].end |
11080.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].text |
難以忍受無法緩解的身體痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].start |
11080.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].end |
11082.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].text |
然後默契才可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].start |
11082.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].end |
11084.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].text |
那民眾黨的版本是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].start |
11084.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].end |
11086.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].text |
不用默契 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].start |
11086.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].end |
11088.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].text |
只要疾病無法治癒痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].start |
11088.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].end |
11090.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].text |
難以忍受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].start |
11090.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].end |
11092.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].text |
而且現在的醫療水準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].start |
11092.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].end |
11094.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].text |
沒有其他合適的解決方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].start |
11094.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].end |
11096.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].text |
就可以提出申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].start |
11096.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].end |
11098.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].text |
那所以在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].start |
11098.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].end |
11100.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].text |
我們真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].start |
11101.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].end |
11103.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].text |
跟民間的想像有點落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].start |
11103.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].end |
11105.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].text |
因為兩者都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].start |
11105.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].end |
11107.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].text |
一個是要接近死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].start |
11108.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].end |
11110.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].text |
即便是安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].start |
11110.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].end |
11112.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].text |
大家民間所想要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].start |
11112.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].end |
11114.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].text |
很多人想要的安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].start |
11114.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].end |
11116.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].text |
跟這兩個版本所提的安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].start |
11117.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].end |
11119.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].text |
落差很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].start |
11119.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].end |
11121.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].text |
因為即便是開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].start |
11121.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].end |
11123.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].text |
更開放的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].start |
11123.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].end |
11125.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].text |
這個民眾黨的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].start |
11125.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].end |
11127.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].text |
也是要求說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].start |
11127.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].end |
11129.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].text |
痛苦難以忍受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].start |
11129.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].end |
11131.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].text |
齁,疾病無法治癒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].start |
11132.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].end |
11134.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].text |
那所以我就是不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].start |
11134.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].end |
11136.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].text |
因為一般人就想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].start |
11136.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].end |
11138.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].text |
那我中風了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].start |
11138.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].end |
11140.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].text |
全部失能了,癱瘓了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].start |
11139.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].end |
11141.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].text |
那符不符合民眾黨版本的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].start |
11141.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].end |
11143.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].text |
疾病無法治癒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].start |
11143.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].end |
11145.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].text |
痛苦難以忍受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].start |
11145.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].end |
11147.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].text |
你覺得呢,部長? |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].start |
11148.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].end |
11150.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].text |
這個跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].start |
11150.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].end |
11152.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].text |
您的這些見解是非常深入的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].start |
11152.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].end |
11154.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].text |
這也就是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].start |
11154.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].end |
11156.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].text |
我主張他不應該用公投的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].start |
11156.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].end |
11158.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].text |
來解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].start |
11158.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].end |
11160.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].text |
因為這個是需要很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].start |
11160.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].end |
11162.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].text |
面向的廣泛的討論跟對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].start |
11162.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].end |
11164.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].text |
所以我們會來啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].start |
11164.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].end |
11166.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].text |
我剛剛講的說,一年我們來做這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].start |
11166.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].end |
11168.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].text |
我現在看你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].start |
11168.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].end |
11170.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].text |
我發現你好像瘦很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].start |
11171.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].end |
11173.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].text |
抱歉,這是題外話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].start |
11175.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].end |
11177.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].text |
公投你叫人家支持安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].start |
11177.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].end |
11179.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].text |
反對安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].start |
11179.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].end |
11181.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].text |
這個是粗暴的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].start |
11181.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].end |
11183.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].text |
這是粗暴的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].start |
11183.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].end |
11185.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].text |
但我們在這裡,就是因為在這裡是立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].start |
11185.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].end |
11187.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].text |
就整個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].start |
11187.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].end |
11189.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].text |
對於安樂死這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].start |
11189.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].end |
11191.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].text |
第一次很正式的對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].start |
11191.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].end |
11193.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].text |
所以在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].start |
11193.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].end |
11195.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].text |
我們必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].start |
11195.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].end |
11197.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].text |
細緻一點的來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].start |
11197.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].end |
11199.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].start |
11199.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].end |
11201.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].text |
人民投我支持安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].start |
11201.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].end |
11203.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].text |
可是他想像的安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].start |
11203.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].end |
11205.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].text |
跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].start |
11205.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].end |
11207.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].text |
大家立法院在討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].start |
11207.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].end |
11209.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].text |
安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].start |
11209.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].end |
11211.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].text |
落差可能很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].start |
11212.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].end |
11214.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].text |
然後都 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].start |
11214.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].end |
11216.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].text |
不管哪一種嚴謹的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].start |
11216.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].end |
11218.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].text |
限縮的,或是比較寬鬆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].start |
11218.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].end |
11220.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].text |
都還必須要有一個叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].start |
11220.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].end |
11222.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].text |
痛苦難耐 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].start |
11222.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].end |
11224.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].text |
痛苦難耐指涉的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].start |
11224.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].end |
11226.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].text |
痛苦到難以忍受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].start |
11226.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].end |
11228.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].text |
指涉的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].start |
11228.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].end |
11230.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].text |
所以我們來問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].start |
11230.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].end |
11232.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].text |
我今天在問你就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].start |
11232.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].end |
11234.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].text |
你雖然在講公投,但答非所問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].start |
11234.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].end |
11236.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].text |
我問你的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].start |
11236.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].end |
11238.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].text |
你支持哪一種模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].start |
11238.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].end |
11240.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].text |
或者是你對痛苦到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].start |
11240.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].end |
11242.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].text |
難以忍受你認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].start |
11242.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].end |
11244.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].text |
在醫療上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].start |
11244.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].end |
11246.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].text |
或是在法律上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].start |
11246.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].end |
11248.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].text |
或者是在社會心理層次上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].start |
11250.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].end |
11252.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].text |
他指涉的是什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].start |
11253.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].end |
11255.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].text |
這個跟我們說我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].start |
11255.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].end |
11257.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].text |
啟動這個安樂死的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].start |
11257.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].end |
11259.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].text |
我相信你review了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].start |
11259.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].end |
11261.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].text |
很多的報導跟報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].start |
11261.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].end |
11263.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].text |
那中間有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].start |
11263.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].end |
11265.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].text |
很重要的關鍵叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].start |
11265.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].end |
11267.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].text |
滑坡效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].start |
11267.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].end |
11269.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].text |
就是一旦你啟動了這個安樂死之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].start |
11269.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].end |
11271.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].text |
就好像那個潘朵拉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].start |
11271.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].end |
11273.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].text |
盒子打開 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].start |
11273.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].end |
11275.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].text |
你要很小心,因為他後面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].start |
11275.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].end |
11277.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].text |
會有滑坡效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].start |
11277.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].end |
11279.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].text |
那麼從現在開始討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].start |
11279.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].end |
11281.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].text |
是從這個生命末期 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].start |
11281.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].end |
11283.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].text |
到痛苦難耐 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].start |
11283.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].end |
11285.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].text |
精神疾病要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].start |
11286.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].end |
11288.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].text |
精神的鑑定要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].start |
11288.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].end |
11290.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].text |
這些都是會一連串 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].start |
11290.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].end |
11292.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].text |
會滾動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].start |
11292.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].end |
11294.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].text |
所以像加拿大也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].start |
11294.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].end |
11296.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].text |
你講這個就是在講加拿大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].start |
11296.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].end |
11298.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].text |
加拿大又從嚴謹的末期 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].start |
11298.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].end |
11300.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].text |
剩下六個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].start |
11300.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].end |
11302.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].text |
然後你說他開放到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].start |
11302.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].end |
11304.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].text |
更寬鬆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].start |
11304.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].end |
11306.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].text |
然後他現在又往回退了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].start |
11306.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].end |
11308.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].text |
那你稱這個叫做滑坡效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].start |
11308.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].end |
11310.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].text |
如果從我作為一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].start |
11310.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].end |
11312.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].text |
民意代表的角度來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].start |
11312.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].end |
11314.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].text |
搞不好我的理解是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].start |
11314.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].end |
11316.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].text |
這是民意所向 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].start |
11318.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].end |
11320.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].text |
人民想要呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].start |
11320.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].end |
11322.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].text |
那也是人民想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].start |
11322.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].end |
11324.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].text |
但民意會改變的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].start |
11324.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].end |
11326.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].text |
我知道人民的民意會改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].start |
11328.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].end |
11330.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].text |
但是就是說你一下子說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].start |
11330.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].end |
11332.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].text |
我們要放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].start |
11332.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].end |
11334.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].text |
那生命就這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].start |
11334.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].end |
11336.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].text |
寬鬆的就可以選擇死亡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].start |
11336.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].end |
11338.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].text |
那一下子又限說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].start |
11339.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].end |
11341.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].text |
其實也是整體社會上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].start |
11341.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].end |
11343.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].text |
一個這種光是這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].start |
11343.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].end |
11345.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].text |
放寬限說放寬限說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].start |
11345.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].end |
11347.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].text |
就是一個爭議了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].start |
11347.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].end |
11349.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].text |
我們知道這是一個高度的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].start |
11349.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].end |
11351.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].text |
但是就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].start |
11351.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].end |
11353.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].text |
如果我們台灣要討論安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].start |
11353.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].end |
11355.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].text |
或是我們真的要坐下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].start |
11355.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].end |
11357.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].text |
審這個安樂死的法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].start |
11357.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].end |
11359.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].text |
我們在這裡不就是要討論這個嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].start |
11359.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].end |
11361.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].text |
可是這個打理是這幾個立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].start |
11361.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].end |
11363.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].text |
有能力討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].start |
11363.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].end |
11365.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].text |
正因為沒有能力討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].start |
11365.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].end |
11367.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].text |
然後你說大家直接來投 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].start |
11367.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].end |
11369.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].text |
投票投票同意反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].start |
11369.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].end |
11371.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].text |
支持反對贊成反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].start |
11371.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].end |
11373.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].text |
這也是不負責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].start |
11373.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].end |
11375.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].text |
因為大家想像的到底是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].start |
11375.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].end |
11377.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].text |
不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].start |
11377.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].end |
11379.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].text |
你直接要把這一條界線 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].start |
11379.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].end |
11381.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].text |
劃在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].start |
11381.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].end |
11383.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].text |
我聽你的想法是 |
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11383.44 |
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11385.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].text |
你大概就擔憂的更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].start |
11385.44 |
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11387.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].text |
但我告訴過你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].start |
11387.44 |
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11389.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].text |
就是說我個人是支持的 |
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11389.44 |
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11391.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].text |
譬如說是這樣子 |
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11391.44 |
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11393.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].text |
我們在想包括提案的委員和政黨 |
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11393.44 |
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11395.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].text |
也都是支持的 |
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11395.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].end |
11397.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].text |
很多人民也是支持的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].start |
11397.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].end |
11399.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].text |
但我們支持的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].start |
11399.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].end |
11401.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].text |
都不見得相同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].start |
11401.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].end |
11403.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].text |
那一條界線要劃在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].start |
11403.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].end |
11405.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].text |
要劃出來 |
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11405.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].end |
11407.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].text |
才能寫在法律裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].start |
11407.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].end |
11409.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].text |
然後這個事情絕對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].start |
11409.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].end |
11411.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].text |
有一點重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].start |
11412.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].end |
11414.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].text |
要劃在哪裡 |
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11414.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].end |
11418.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].text |
絕對不能夠授權給衛福部去訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].start |
11418.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].end |
11420.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].text |
不能交給主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].start |
11420.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].end |
11424.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].text |
日後以辦法或醫療指引去決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].start |
11424.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].end |
11426.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].text |
現在民眾黨的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].start |
11426.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].end |
11428.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].text |
未來要授權給你們了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].start |
11428.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].end |
11430.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].text |
這個是絕對不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].start |
11430.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].end |
11432.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].text |
這個這麼嚴肅的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].start |
11432.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].end |
11434.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].text |
不能夠在這裡訂一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].start |
11434.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].end |
11436.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].text |
很草率的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].start |
11436.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].end |
11438.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].text |
然後就交給衛福部去訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].start |
11438.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].end |
11440.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].text |
這是不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].start |
11440.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].end |
11442.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].text |
這不是細節 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].start |
11442.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].end |
11444.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].text |
這不是單純的醫療技術的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].start |
11444.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].end |
11446.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].text |
而是國家必須公開做出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].start |
11446.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].end |
11448.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].text |
法律的選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].start |
11448.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].end |
11450.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].text |
這是立法院說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].start |
11450.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].end |
11452.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].text |
立法者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].start |
11452.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].end |
11454.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].text |
要決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].start |
11454.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].end |
11456.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].text |
究竟在什麼樣的生命處境之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].start |
11456.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].end |
11458.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].text |
可以允許醫療人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].start |
11458.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].end |
11460.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].text |
提供致死的藥物 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].start |
11460.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].end |
11462.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].text |
去終結一個人的生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].start |
11462.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].end |
11464.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].text |
所以在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].start |
11464.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].end |
11466.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].text |
我想再跟你回到具體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].start |
11467.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].end |
11471.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].text |
談到這個安樂死就一定要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].start |
11471.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].end |
11473.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].text |
不管民眾黨的或是嚴謹的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].start |
11473.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].end |
11475.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].text |
末期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].start |
11475.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].end |
11477.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].text |
都一定要扣到一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].start |
11477.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].end |
11479.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].text |
無法忍受的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].start |
11479.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].end |
11481.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].text |
除了自主決定以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].start |
11481.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].end |
11483.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].text |
還要扣住一個叫做無法忍受的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].start |
11485.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].end |
11487.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].text |
那無法忍受的痛苦到底是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].start |
11490.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].end |
11492.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].text |
你認為那個東西到底是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].start |
11494.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].end |
11496.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].start |
11495.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].end |
11499.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].text |
這個會有很多主客觀條件影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].start |
11499.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].end |
11501.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].text |
對於痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].start |
11501.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].end |
11503.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].text |
的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].start |
11503.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].end |
11505.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].text |
還有能夠容受的每一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].start |
11505.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].end |
11507.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].text |
外國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].start |
11507.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].end |
11509.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].text |
開放安樂死的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].start |
11509.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].end |
11511.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].text |
不能忍受的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].start |
11511.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].end |
11513.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].text |
無法忍受的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].start |
11513.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].end |
11515.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].text |
他們談的是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].start |
11517.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].end |
11519.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].text |
如果是有開放的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].start |
11519.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].end |
11521.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].text |
他要通過這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].start |
11521.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].end |
11523.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].text |
因為有些是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].start |
11523.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].end |
11525.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].text |
只有在生命末期 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].start |
11525.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].end |
11527.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].text |
那如果是開放到這麼深 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].start |
11527.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].end |
11529.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].text |
生命末期大概就是所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].start |
11529.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].end |
11531.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].text |
病理上的生理上的疼痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].start |
11531.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].end |
11533.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].text |
無法忍受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].start |
11533.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].end |
11535.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].text |
我們可以理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].start |
11535.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].end |
11537.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].text |
那個是容易掛鉤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].start |
11537.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].end |
11539.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].text |
但是民眾黨的版本不是生命末期 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].start |
11539.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].end |
11541.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].text |
那真的是很模糊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].start |
11541.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].end |
11543.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].text |
剛剛那個委員說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].start |
11543.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].end |
11545.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].text |
他的經濟困難到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].start |
11546.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].end |
11548.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].text |
他也覺得難以忍受生命這麼的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].start |
11551.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].end |
11553.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].text |
這算不算痛苦? |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].start |
11553.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].end |
11555.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].text |
所以奧勒岡州 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].start |
11555.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].end |
11557.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].text |
美國奧勒岡是比較局限的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].start |
11557.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].end |
11559.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].text |
他在2025年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].start |
11559.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].end |
11561.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].text |
官方資料顯示 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].start |
11561.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].end |
11563.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].text |
他是限縮在生命末期 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].start |
11563.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].end |
11565.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].text |
剩下六個月的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].start |
11565.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].end |
11567.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].text |
但是他在接受醫助死亡裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].start |
11567.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].end |
11569.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].text |
92%已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].start |
11569.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].end |
11571.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].text |
接受安寧療護了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].start |
11571.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].end |
11573.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].text |
但是同時這一些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].start |
11573.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].end |
11575.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].text |
也顯示說失去自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].start |
11575.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].end |
11577.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].text |
以及無法再從事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].start |
11577.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].end |
11579.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].text |
有意義的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].start |
11579.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].end |
11581.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].text |
這樣子失去尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].start |
11581.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].end |
11583.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].text |
其實他們都很痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].start |
11584.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].end |
11586.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].text |
失去尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].start |
11586.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].end |
11588.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].text |
失去自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].start |
11588.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].end |
11590.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].text |
身體不停使喚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].start |
11590.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].end |
11592.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].text |
這個就是他們覺得很痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].start |
11592.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].end |
11594.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].text |
但是相對寬鬆的加拿大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].start |
11594.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].end |
11596.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].text |
在2024年的資料顯示 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].start |
11596.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].end |
11598.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].text |
最常見的痛苦來源是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].start |
11598.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].end |
11600.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].text |
無法從事有意義的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].start |
11600.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].end |
11602.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].text |
其次是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].start |
11602.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].end |
11604.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].text |
喪失日常生活的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].start |
11604.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].end |
11606.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].text |
獨立 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].start |
11606.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].end |
11608.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].text |
喪失了獨立和尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].start |
11608.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].end |
11610.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].text |
疼痛控制不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].start |
11610.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].end |
11612.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].text |
或是對疼痛的擔憂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].start |
11612.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].end |
11614.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].text |
反而排在後面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].start |
11614.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].end |
11616.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].text |
所以所謂的無法忍受的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].start |
11616.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].end |
11618.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].text |
病理上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].start |
11618.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].end |
11620.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].text |
生理上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].start |
11620.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].end |
11622.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].text |
疾病上的疼痛的擔憂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].start |
11622.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].end |
11624.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].text |
是排在後面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].start |
11626.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].end |
11628.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].text |
所以最前面的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].start |
11628.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].end |
11630.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].text |
喪失生活能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].start |
11630.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].end |
11632.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].text |
然後喪失獨立和尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].start |
11632.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].end |
11634.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].text |
所以無法忍受的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].start |
11634.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].end |
11636.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].text |
不是只有身體的症狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].start |
11636.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].end |
11638.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].text |
包括功能的喪失 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].start |
11638.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].end |
11640.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].text |
然後病人對尊嚴自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].start |
11640.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].end |
11642.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].text |
和生活意義的感受上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].start |
11642.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].end |
11644.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].text |
這個是很重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].start |
11644.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].end |
11646.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].text |
可是這些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].start |
11646.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].end |
11648.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].text |
顯示安樂死制度所稱的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].start |
11648.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].end |
11650.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].text |
無法忍受的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].start |
11650.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].end |
11652.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].text |
不是單一的醫學的症狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].start |
11652.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].end |
11654.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].text |
包括了身體的症狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].start |
11654.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].end |
11656.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].text |
包括了身體的症狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].start |
11656.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].end |
11658.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].text |
功能的喪失以及病人對尊嚴自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].start |
11658.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].end |
11660.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].text |
和生活意義的感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].start |
11660.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].end |
11662.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].text |
醫生要評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].start |
11662.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].end |
11664.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].text |
所謂醫學的症狀很容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].start |
11664.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].end |
11666.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].text |
可是如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].start |
11666.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].end |
11668.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].text |
我們要評估一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].start |
11668.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].end |
11670.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].text |
能不能接受安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].start |
11670.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].end |
11672.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].text |
你叫他從醫學上的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].start |
11672.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].end |
11674.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].text |
然後要變成說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].start |
11674.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].end |
11676.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].text |
他變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].start |
11676.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].end |
11678.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].start |
11678.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].end |
11680.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].text |
到底是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].start |
11680.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].end |
11682.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].text |
功能上、喪失上、尊嚴上、自主上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].start |
11682.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].end |
11684.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].text |
或生活意義的感受上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].start |
11684.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].end |
11686.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].text |
痛苦的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].start |
11686.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].end |
11688.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].text |
這就很困難了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].start |
11688.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].end |
11690.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].text |
這很困難耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].start |
11690.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].end |
11692.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].start |
11692.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].end |
11694.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].text |
很多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].start |
11693.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].end |
11695.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].text |
他沒有無法控制的疼痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].start |
11695.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].end |
11697.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].text |
卻說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].start |
11697.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].end |
11699.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].text |
包括我自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].start |
11699.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].end |
11701.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].text |
或者是很多支持安樂死的台灣的人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].start |
11701.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].end |
11703.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].text |
都會講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].start |
11703.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].end |
11705.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].text |
我無法接受別人替我洗澡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].start |
11705.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].end |
11707.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].text |
替我餵食 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].start |
11707.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].end |
11709.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].text |
替我清理排泄物 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].start |
11709.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].end |
11711.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].text |
沒有尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].start |
11711.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].end |
11713.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].text |
失去自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].start |
11713.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].end |
11715.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].text |
我沒有辦法接受我的身體 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].start |
11715.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].end |
11717.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].text |
全部都不聽我使喚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].start |
11717.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].end |
11719.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].text |
那這就不只是疾病造成的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].start |
11719.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].end |
11721.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].text |
這也是對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].start |
11721.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].end |
11725.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].text |
依賴別人而活的價值的判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].start |
11725.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].end |
11727.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].text |
那這種感受能不能成為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].start |
11727.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].end |
11729.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].text |
安樂死的深情的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].start |
11729.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].end |
11731.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].text |
我想大多數人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].start |
11731.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].end |
11733.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].text |
支持安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].start |
11733.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].end |
11735.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].text |
可能都是來自於這一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].start |
11735.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].end |
11737.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].text |
失去對自我身體的控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].start |
11737.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].end |
11739.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].text |
全部依賴他人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].start |
11739.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].end |
11741.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].text |
毫無尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].start |
11743.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].end |
11745.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].text |
可能是這樣子的強烈的這一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].start |
11747.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].end |
11749.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].text |
這種感受在支撐我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].start |
11749.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].end |
11751.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].text |
全部都支持安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].start |
11751.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].end |
11753.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].text |
可是你可不可以告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].start |
11753.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].end |
11755.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].text |
在外國 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].start |
11755.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].end |
11757.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].text |
或者是現在的法律裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].start |
11757.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].end |
11759.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].text |
架構草案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].start |
11759.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].end |
11761.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].text |
這樣子就可以構成安樂死的條件嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].start |
11761.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].end |
11763.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].text |
在外國 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].start |
11763.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].end |
11765.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].text |
或是在我們兩個草案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].start |
11765.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].end |
11767.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].text |
這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].start |
11767.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].end |
11769.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].text |
在加拿大發生過爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].start |
11769.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].end |
11771.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].text |
就是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].start |
11771.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].end |
11773.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].text |
就是您提的這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].start |
11773.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].end |
11775.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].text |
他沒有辦法生活自理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].start |
11775.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].end |
11777.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].text |
所以他申請安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].start |
11777.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].end |
11779.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].text |
對 就是這個案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].start |
11779.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].end |
11781.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].text |
然後這個案例到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].start |
11781.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].end |
11783.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].text |
最後是被駁回 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].start |
11784.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].end |
11786.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].text |
因為他本來是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].start |
11786.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].end |
11788.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].text |
有一個社會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].start |
11788.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].end |
11790.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].text |
那個社福的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].start |
11790.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].end |
11792.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].text |
後來因為重新評估條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].start |
11792.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].end |
11794.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].text |
說他的社會支持給他減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].start |
11794.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].end |
11796.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].text |
他因而提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].start |
11796.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].end |
11798.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].text |
所以有社會支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].start |
11798.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].end |
11800.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].text |
有照顧的服務進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].start |
11800.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].end |
11802.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].text |
或許他就不會那麼高度的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].start |
11802.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].end |
11804.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].text |
想要死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].start |
11804.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].end |
11806.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].text |
所以我們在這裡就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].start |
11806.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].end |
11808.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].text |
痛苦本來就是一種高度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].start |
11808.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].end |
11810.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].text |
主觀的感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].start |
11810.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].end |
11812.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].text |
那一般外人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].start |
11812.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].end |
11814.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].text |
你很難輕率地告訴病人說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].start |
11814.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].end |
11816.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].text |
你承受的痛苦並不嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].start |
11816.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].end |
11818.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].text |
因為痛不痛苦是當事人最知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].start |
11818.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].end |
11820.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].text |
你的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].start |
11820.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].end |
11822.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].text |
不一定跟我的痛苦是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].start |
11822.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].end |
11824.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].text |
但是就是另一方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].start |
11824.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].end |
11826.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].text |
我們要考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].start |
11826.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].end |
11828.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].text |
只要本人認為某種生活狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].start |
11828.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].end |
11830.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].text |
已經不能接受了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].start |
11830.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].end |
11832.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].text |
然後醫生就可能被要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].start |
11832.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].end |
11834.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].text |
要認定他的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].start |
11834.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].end |
11836.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].text |
已經達到可以合法終止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].start |
11836.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].end |
11838.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].text |
他生命的程度嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].start |
11838.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].end |
11840.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].start |
11840.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].end |
11842.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].text |
這個叫醫生也真的很困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].start |
11842.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].end |
11844.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].text |
真的很困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].start |
11844.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].end |
11846.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].text |
不是只有單純的醫療專業的判斷而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].start |
11846.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].end |
11848.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].text |
剛剛我們提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].start |
11848.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].end |
11850.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].text |
是不是已經沒有其他的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].start |
11850.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].end |
11852.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].text |
因為有一個很重要的條件就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].start |
11852.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].end |
11854.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].text |
沒有其他的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].start |
11854.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].end |
11856.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].text |
可以緩解他的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].start |
11856.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].end |
11858.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].text |
解決他的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].start |
11858.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].end |
11860.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].text |
才會多度痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].start |
11860.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].end |
11862.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].text |
到底什麼的痛苦是生理上病理上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].start |
11862.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].end |
11864.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].text |
還是我們剛剛講失去尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].start |
11864.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].end |
11866.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].text |
完全失能完全依賴他人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].start |
11866.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].end |
11868.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].text |
然後這一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].start |
11868.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].end |
11870.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].start |
11870.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].end |
11872.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].text |
還要被剝奪了照顧以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].start |
11872.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].end |
11874.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].text |
我就變成痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].start |
11874.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].end |
11876.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].text |
國家資源給我剝奪減少了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].start |
11876.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].end |
11878.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].text |
我也覺得很痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].start |
11878.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].end |
11880.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].text |
這樣子就可以合法終止生命嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].start |
11880.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].end |
11882.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].text |
所以我們的法律的架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].start |
11882.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].end |
11884.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].text |
我看到寬鬆的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].start |
11884.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].end |
11886.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].text |
就是以無法忍受的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].start |
11886.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].end |
11888.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].text |
和現在醫療無法解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].start |
11888.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].end |
11890.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].text |
就作為安樂死的資格的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].start |
11890.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].end |
11892.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].text |
這個恐怕也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].start |
11892.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].end |
11894.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].text |
大家倫理上要大家一起討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].start |
11894.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].end |
11896.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].text |
因為我簡單的講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].start |
11896.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].end |
11898.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].text |
中風啊大多數的中風 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].start |
11898.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].end |
11900.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].text |
而且是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].start |
11900.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].end |
11902.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].text |
全身癱瘓的那種中風啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].start |
11904.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].end |
11906.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].text |
他有辦法現在醫療可以回復嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].start |
11906.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].end |
11908.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].text |
可能不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].start |
11908.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].end |
11910.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].start |
11910.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].end |
11912.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].text |
他是完全失能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].start |
11912.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].end |
11914.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].start |
11914.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].end |
11916.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].text |
他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].start |
11915.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].end |
11917.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].text |
個人也有人就覺得不痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].start |
11917.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].end |
11919.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].text |
但也有很多人覺得這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].start |
11919.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].end |
11921.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].text |
沒有意義的活著很痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].start |
11921.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].end |
11923.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].text |
在這種狀況裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].start |
11923.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].end |
11925.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].text |
這樣子就可以作為安樂死的資格嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].start |
11925.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].end |
11927.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].text |
在外國可能是沒那麼容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].start |
11929.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].end |
11931.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].text |
沒那麼容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].start |
11931.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].end |
11933.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].text |
但我不知道提出這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].start |
11933.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].end |
11935.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].text |
法案呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].start |
11934.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].end |
11936.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].text |
政黨想的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].start |
11936.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].end |
11938.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].text |
但是我可以肯定的告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].start |
11938.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].end |
11940.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].text |
很多人跟我想法一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].start |
11940.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].end |
11942.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].text |
只要這樣子我就想要死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].start |
11944 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].end |
11946 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].text |
但是恐怕法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].start |
11946 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].end |
11948 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].text |
不敢這樣子定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].start |
11948 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].end |
11950 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].text |
因為醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].start |
11950 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].end |
11952 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].text |
也不想要扛起這樣的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].start |
11952 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].end |
11954 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].text |
扮演起上帝的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].start |
11955.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].end |
11957.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].text |
因為那個痛苦可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].start |
11957.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].end |
11959.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].text |
生理上病理上的沒那麼大的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].start |
11959.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].end |
11961.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].text |
可是心理壓力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].start |
11961.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].end |
11963.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].text |
尊嚴的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].start |
11963.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].end |
11965.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].text |
失去尊嚴的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].start |
11965.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].end |
11967.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].text |
有的人把尊嚴看得很重 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].start |
11967.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].end |
11969.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].text |
有的人不一定把尊嚴看得那麼重 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].start |
11971.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].end |
11973.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].text |
所以這樣子到底那條線 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].start |
11973.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].end |
11975.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].text |
要劃在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].start |
11975.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].end |
11977.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].text |
我覺得我們今天就是一直要不斷的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].start |
11977.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].end |
11979.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].text |
來討論這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].start |
11979.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].end |
11981.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].text |
無法忍受的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].start |
11981.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].end |
11983.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].text |
這個東西要由誰來判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].start |
11983.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].end |
11985.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].text |
那有沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].start |
11986.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].end |
11988.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].text |
可能啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].start |
11988.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].end |
11990.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].text |
痛苦是真實的存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].start |
11990.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].end |
11992.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].text |
但是呢如果像剛才講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].start |
11992.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].end |
11994.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].text |
你的經濟的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].start |
11994.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].end |
11996.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].text |
資源進來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].start |
11996.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].end |
11998.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].text |
你的家人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].start |
11998.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].end |
12000.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].text |
如果沒有存在國家的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].start |
12000.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].end |
12002.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].text |
也進來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].start |
12002.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].end |
12004.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].text |
事實上痛苦是會減輕的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].start |
12004.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].end |
12006.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].text |
所以我們一直在講的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].start |
12006.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].end |
12008.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].text |
這個自主除了說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].start |
12008.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].end |
12010.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].text |
不能忍受的痛苦以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].start |
12010.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].end |
12012.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].text |
再來就是自主選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].start |
12012.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].end |
12014.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].text |
到底是真的自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].start |
12014.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].end |
12016.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].text |
還是被迫沒得選擇的自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].start |
12018.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].end |
12020.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].text |
所以是尊重病人的自主很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].start |
12020.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].end |
12022.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].text |
但自主不是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].start |
12022.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].end |
12024.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].text |
我們開始諮商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].start |
12024.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].end |
12026.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].text |
評估他的心智 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].start |
12026.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].end |
12028.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].text |
你真的是自主選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].start |
12028.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].end |
12030.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].text |
要安樂死的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].start |
12030.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].end |
12032.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].text |
對我真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].start |
12032.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].end |
12034.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].text |
但是你還要去確認一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].start |
12034.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].end |
12036.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].text |
你為什麼想要選擇安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].start |
12036.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].end |
12038.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].text |
你這個死亡的意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].start |
12038.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].end |
12040.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].text |
是如何形成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].start |
12040.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].end |
12042.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].text |
所以你在法律上確認說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].start |
12042.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].end |
12044.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].text |
我是自主選擇的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].start |
12046.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].end |
12048.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].text |
那你只能證明說對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].start |
12048.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].end |
12050.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].text |
我是自主選擇的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].start |
12050.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].end |
12052.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].text |
可是你卻不能夠回答到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].start |
12052.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].end |
12054.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].text |
這個自主選擇想要死亡的意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].start |
12054.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].end |
12056.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].text |
是在什麼樣的條件之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].start |
12056.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].end |
12058.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].text |
你讓他會做這種選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].start |
12060.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].end |
12062.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].text |
一個人可能會因為憂鬱 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].start |
12062.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].end |
12064.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].text |
當望孤獨經濟困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].start |
12064.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].end |
12066.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].text |
失能長期依賴他人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].start |
12066.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].end |
12068.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].text |
失去尊嚴而逐漸認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].start |
12068.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].end |
12070.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].text |
自己不想活了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].start |
12070.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].end |
12072.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].text |
這些因素未必使病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].start |
12072.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].end |
12074.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].text |
喪失意識的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].start |
12074.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].end |
12078.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].text |
對我可以自主做決定說我不想活了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].start |
12078.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].end |
12080.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].text |
但卻可能影響他如果看待自己的處境 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].start |
12080.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].end |
12082.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].text |
以及是否自己還有其他選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].start |
12082.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].end |
12084.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].text |
如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].start |
12084.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].end |
12086.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].text |
你的經濟困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].start |
12086.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].end |
12088.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].text |
國家願意幫助你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].start |
12088.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].end |
12090.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].text |
如果說你的失能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].start |
12090.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].end |
12092.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].text |
不要拖累你的家人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].start |
12092.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].end |
12094.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].text |
國家的照顧體系會進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].start |
12094.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].end |
12096.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].text |
請問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].start |
12096.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].end |
12098.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].text |
你會不會改變你的想要死的意願 |
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12098.98 |
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12100.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].text |
有可能 |
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12100.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].end |
12102.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].text |
那我要講現在相關研究顯示 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].start |
12102.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].end |
12104.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].text |
默契的病人希望加速死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].start |
12104.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].end |
12106.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].text |
也通常也不是單一症狀說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].start |
12106.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].end |
12108.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].text |
痛苦都不堪 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].start |
12108.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].end |
12110.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].text |
其實心理困擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].start |
12110.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].end |
12112.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].text |
失去自主自我認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].start |
12112.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].end |
12114.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].text |
也是同時複雜的交付的存在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].start |
12114.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].end |
12116.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].text |
但是呢總之 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].start |
12116.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].end |
12118.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].text |
連默契的人都有一種就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].start |
12118.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].end |
12120.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].text |
自覺到成為他人的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].start |
12120.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].end |
12122.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].text |
可能涉及到病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].start |
12122.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].end |
12124.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].text |
因為無法再回應家人的付出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].start |
12124.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].end |
12126.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].text |
而產生了內疚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].start |
12126.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].end |
12128.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].text |
虧欠和責任感 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].start |
12128.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].end |
12130.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].text |
這個讓連默契的病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].start |
12130.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].end |
12132.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].text |
都存在然後也想要死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].start |
12132.98 |
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12134.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].text |
所以這就是真正的現實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].start |
12134.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].end |
12136.98 |
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就是也是台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].start |
12136.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].end |
12138.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].text |
必須要特別注意的地方就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].start |
12138.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].end |
12140.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].text |
很多年紀的長高長輩 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].start |
12140.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].end |
12142.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].text |
跟我講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].start |
12142.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].end |
12144.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].text |
你要趕快安樂死立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].start |
12144.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].end |
12146.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].text |
他們都這樣跟我講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].start |
12146.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].end |
12148.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].text |
年長的人他們講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].start |
12148.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].end |
12150.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].text |
我不想拖累家人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].start |
12151.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].end |
12153.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].text |
這未必是家人提出了什麼要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].start |
12153.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].end |
12155.41 |
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是他自己就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].start |
12155.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].end |
12157.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].text |
我不想拖累家人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].start |
12157.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].end |
12159.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].text |
然後很多長輩就是看見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].start |
12159.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].end |
12161.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].text |
年邁的配偶沒有體力了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].start |
12161.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].end |
12163.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].text |
子女陪病影響了工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].start |
12163.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].end |
12167.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].text |
或者是家庭又要長期負擔看護 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].start |
12167.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].end |
12171.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].text |
或者是機構的費用很重 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].start |
12171.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].end |
12173.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].text |
這認為說未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].start |
12173.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].end |
12175.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].text |
要減輕家人的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].start |
12175.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].end |
12177.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].text |
是自己作為家庭的一份子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].start |
12177.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].end |
12179.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].text |
最後可以為家人做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].start |
12179.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].end |
12181.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].text |
所以也是自己應該要去承擔的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].start |
12181.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].end |
12183.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].text |
難道不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].start |
12183.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].end |
12185.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].text |
多少人是因為這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].start |
12188.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].end |
12190.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].text |
真的那這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].start |
12190.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].end |
12192.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].text |
真正的自主嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].start |
12193.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].end |
12195.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].text |
這個是真正的自主嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].start |
12197.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].end |
12199.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].text |
加拿大衛生部2024年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].start |
12199.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].end |
12201.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].text |
醫助死亡報告也指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].start |
12201.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].end |
12205.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].text |
認為自己成為家人朋友或照顧者的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].start |
12205.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].end |
12207.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].text |
是近半數 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].start |
12207.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].end |
12211.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].text |
接受醫助死亡者被記錄的痛苦的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].start |
12213.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].end |
12215.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].text |
第一鬼的末期的快死的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].start |
12215.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].end |
12217.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].text |
也認為自己成為負擔的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].start |
12217.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].end |
12219.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].text |
有48.4% |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].start |
12219.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].end |
12221.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].text |
第二鬼他還沒有末期 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].start |
12221.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].end |
12225.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].text |
但是他還是有50%想要死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].start |
12225.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].end |
12229.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].text |
是因為怕自己成為家人的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].start |
12229.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].end |
12231.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].text |
所以在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].start |
12231.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].end |
12235.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].text |
真的這個負擔加上其他痛苦交織在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].start |
12235.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].end |
12237.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].text |
法律真正要確認的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].start |
12237.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].end |
12239.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].text |
我們在這裡立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].start |
12239.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].end |
12241.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].text |
討論立法法律要真正確認的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].start |
12241.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].end |
12243.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].text |
如果病人的疼痛獲得控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].start |
12243.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].end |
12245.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].text |
所需要的長照 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].start |
12245.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].end |
12247.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].text |
心理和經濟支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].start |
12247.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].end |
12249.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].text |
已經實際提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].start |
12249.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].end |
12253.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].text |
家人不必承擔超出能力的照顧工作與支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].start |
12253.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].end |
12259.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].text |
他是否仍然會堅定的持續的希望結束生命呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].start |
12259.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].end |
12261.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].text |
希望結束生命呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].start |
12262 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].end |
12264 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].text |
但是我在這裡要跟你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].start |
12264 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].end |
12266 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].text |
部長這個時候這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].start |
12266 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].end |
12268 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].text |
就跟國家的責任有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].start |
12268 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].end |
12270 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].text |
因為很多人可能會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].start |
12270 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].end |
12272 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].text |
我還是想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].start |
12272 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].end |
12274 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].start |
12274 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].end |
12276 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].text |
因為我不認為國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].start |
12276 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].end |
12280 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].text |
會幫我們擔起這麼多的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].start |
12280 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].end |
12282 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].text |
有能力擔起這麼多的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].start |
12282 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].end |
12286 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].text |
我們也不認為少子女化以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].start |
12286 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].end |
12288 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].text |
這個看護的責任會降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].start |
12289.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].end |
12291.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].text |
所以我覺得這個東西真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].start |
12294.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].end |
12296.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].text |
我覺得時常在掙扎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].start |
12296.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].end |
12300.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].text |
因為我個人真的是高度的支持安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].start |
12300.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].end |
12302.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].text |
但我也知道很多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].start |
12302.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].end |
12304.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].text |
沒有這麼堅定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].start |
12304.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].end |
12306.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].text |
可是那些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].start |
12306.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].end |
12310.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].text |
你要去期待照顧的體系進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].start |
12310.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].end |
12312.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].text |
經濟的負擔減輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].start |
12312.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].end |
12314.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].text |
然後家庭的看護的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].start |
12314.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].end |
12316.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].text |
不要那麼重 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].start |
12316.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].end |
12318.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].text |
是不可期待的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].start |
12318.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].end |
12320.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].text |
是期待但是不可期待的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].start |
12320.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].end |
12322.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].text |
所以在這裡我再講一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].start |
12322.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].end |
12324.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].text |
最後我要講到很多很長的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].start |
12324.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].end |
12328.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].text |
就是說當死亡成為合法的選項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].start |
12328.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].end |
12330.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].text |
那他真的要如何去確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].start |
12330.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].end |
12334.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].text |
病人是不是還有其他的選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].start |
12334.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].end |
12336.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].text |
這個事情很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].start |
12336.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].end |
12338.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].text |
因為只要安樂死合法化以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].start |
12338.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].end |
12340.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].text |
不是增加一個選項而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].start |
12340.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].end |
12344.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].text |
他會改變整體這個社會裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].start |
12344.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].end |
12346.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].text |
所有高齡者、失能者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].start |
12346.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].end |
12348.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].text |
長期依賴照顧者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].start |
12348.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].end |
12350.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].text |
他如何去看待自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].start |
12350.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].end |
12352.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].text |
要不要活著 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].start |
12352.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].end |
12354.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].text |
要不要存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].start |
12355.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].end |
12357.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].text |
當死亡成為合法的選項的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].start |
12357.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].end |
12360.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].text |
國家要必須避免任何人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].start |
12360.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].end |
12362.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].text |
因為需要他人照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].start |
12362.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].end |
12366.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].text |
而逐漸覺得自己必須向家人或社會解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].start |
12366.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].end |
12369.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].text |
為什麼還想要繼續活下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].start |
12373.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].end |
12377.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].text |
告訴自己說不要成為家人的累贅 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].start |
12377.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].end |
12379.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].text |
不要帶著愧疚、內疚這樣活著 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].start |
12381.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].end |
12383.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].text |
所以我的個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].start |
12384.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].end |
12386.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].text |
的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].start |
12386.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].end |
12388.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].text |
跟這個社會很多人的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].start |
12388.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].end |
12390.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].text |
都是說我再說一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].start |
12390.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].end |
12392.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].text |
我們支持安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].start |
12392.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].end |
12394.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].text |
但是安樂死我們想像的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].start |
12394.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].end |
12398.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].text |
跟立法者所定的不會一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].start |
12398.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].end |
12400.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].text |
不見得會一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].start |
12400.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].end |
12401.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].start |
12401.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].end |
12403.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].text |
我還是認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].start |
12402.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].end |
12405.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].text |
照顧的處境和社會的處境 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].start |
12405.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].end |
12408.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].text |
家庭的關係、經濟的要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].start |
12408.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].end |
12411.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].text |
一定要充分地審視這一些要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].start |
12411.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].end |
12414.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].text |
要確認自主的意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].start |
12414.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].end |
12416.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].text |
不是被迫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].start |
12416.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].end |
12418.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].text |
是真的自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].start |
12418.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].end |
12420.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].text |
可是這真的很難 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].start |
12420.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].end |
12422.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].text |
而且還要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].start |
12422.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].end |
12424.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].text |
這個是真正的自主的選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].start |
12424.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].end |
12427.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].text |
到底是不是還是被迫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].start |
12427.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].end |
12429.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].text |
這真的是很難的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].start |
12429.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].end |
12431.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].text |
這個在已經施行的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].start |
12431.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].end |
12434.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].text |
就是台灣現在要社會高度的對話的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].start |
12434.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].end |
12437.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].text |
我們都應該要仔細地想 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].start |
12437.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].end |
12440.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].text |
而不是只是公投支持反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].start |
12440.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].end |
12442.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].text |
這是不負責任的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].start |
12443.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].end |
12445.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].text |
柏惕,安樂你覺得呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].start |
12446.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].end |
12447.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].start |
12447.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].end |
12448.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].text |
不是支持或反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].start |
12448.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].end |
12449.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].text |
給了我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].start |
12449.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].end |
12451.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].text |
你知道國家的責任很沉重 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].start |
12451.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].end |
12453.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].text |
因為被迫選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].start |
12453.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].end |
12456.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].text |
這個裡面有一大部分是來自於國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].start |
12456.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].end |
12459.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].text |
要進場、有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].start |
12459.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].end |
12462.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].text |
但是我也知道這個財政負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].start |
12462.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].end |
12463.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].text |
真的沒那麼容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].start |
12463.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].end |
12465.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].text |
很難很難 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].start |
12466 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].end |
12468 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].text |
但是你們到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].start |
12468.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].end |
12470.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].text |
好吧,今天只是第一場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].start |
12470.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].end |
12471.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].text |
我們不希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].start |
12472.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].end |
12474.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].text |
不期待會有直接有答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].start |
12475.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].end |
12477.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].start |
12478.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].end |
12480.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].text |
謝謝林淑芬委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].start |
12480.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].end |
12482.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].text |
接下來請圖權及委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].start |
12490.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].end |
12491.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].text |
好,謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].start |
12491.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].end |
12493.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].text |
麻煩請時部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].start |
12497.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].end |
12498.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].text |
圖員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].start |
12499.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].end |
12503.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].text |
部長,那針對我們中聯、泰山、福壽、福茂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].start |
12503.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].end |
12507.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].text |
那這些都是我們應辦理檢驗之食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].start |
12507.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].end |
12511.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].text |
富表二裡面中的食油、食用油脂的類別 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].start |
12511.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].end |
12513.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].text |
那也就是它應辦場燈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].start |
12513.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].end |
12516.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].text |
而且是資本的三千萬以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].start |
12516.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].end |
12519.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].text |
這之前我們質詢都有提過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].start |
12519.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].end |
12520.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].text |
那針對他們這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].start |
12520.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].end |
12524.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].text |
我們應該針對它的原料、半成品跟成品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].start |
12524.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].end |
12528.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].text |
我們每半年或者每批都至少要檢驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].start |
12528.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].end |
12530.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].text |
這之前也都講過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].start |
12532.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].end |
12536.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].text |
我在7月13號的時候有向你們所知 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].start |
12536.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].end |
12540.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].text |
要詢問我們114年跟115年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].start |
12540.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].end |
12542.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].text |
中聯、泰山、福壽、福茂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].start |
12542.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].end |
12544.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].text |
它內部自主檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].start |
12544.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].end |
12546.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].text |
還有外部檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].start |
12546.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].end |
12550.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].text |
還有它的次數跟檢驗項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].start |
12550.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].end |
12551.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].text |
這些的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].start |
12551.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].end |
12555.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].text |
那上週也跟部長來詢問這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].start |
12555.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].end |
12557.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].text |
我說所知一直沒拿到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].start |
12557.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].end |
12559.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].text |
那部長也說會後要提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].start |
12560.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].end |
12563.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].text |
可是我們到現在還是沒有拿到你們的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].start |
12563.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].end |
12566.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].text |
我不知道這資料提供有這麼困難嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].start |
12566.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].end |
12569.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].text |
而且部長也說這個資料沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].start |
12569.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].end |
12571.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].text |
可以公開可以所知 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].start |
12571.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].end |
12572.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].text |
應該沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].start |
12572.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].end |
12575.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].text |
這個都是依法他們就要執行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].start |
12575.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].end |
12578.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].text |
所以我不知道7月13號拿不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].start |
12578.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].end |
12581.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].text |
後來執行部長也說會後就提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].start |
12582.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].end |
12584.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].text |
我們就認為這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].start |
12584.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].end |
12587.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].text |
它到底這半年的檢驗到底有沒有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].start |
12588.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].end |
12590.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].start |
12589.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].end |
12590.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].text |
我們吹一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].start |
12590.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].end |
12594.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].text |
因為這個是我們中區我們來吹 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].start |
12594.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].end |
12596.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].text |
那我請問一下它到底有沒有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].start |
12598.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].end |
12601.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].text |
從我們這一次的查場的紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].start |
12601.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].end |
12602.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].text |
它是有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].start |
12602.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].end |
12603.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].text |
是有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].start |
12603.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].end |
12605.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].text |
我們的查場可以看得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].start |
12605.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].end |
12610.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].text |
它是就它的這個批次的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].start |
12610.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].end |
12613.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].text |
它是有做到按計 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].start |
12613.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].end |
12617.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].text |
但是那個抽樣的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].start |
12617.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].end |
12619.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].text |
它不是每一槽都抽 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].start |
12619.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].end |
12621.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].text |
它有它的抽樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].start |
12621.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].end |
12623.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].text |
不過那個報告都可以提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].start |
12623.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].end |
12624.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].text |
沒有問題才對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].start |
12624.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].end |
12626.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].text |
我了解一下為什麼還沒有辦法給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].start |
12626.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].end |
12627.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].text |
所以我一直就 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].start |
12627.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].end |
12629.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].text |
抱歉我一直就很納悶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].start |
12629.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].end |
12630.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].text |
這到底有什麼困難點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].start |
12630.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].end |
12632.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].text |
所以我們就懷疑這到底有沒有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].start |
12632.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].end |
12633.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].text |
應該是沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].start |
12633.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].end |
12636.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].text |
我來了解一下為什麼到現在還沒有辦法提供給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].start |
12636.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].end |
12637.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].text |
我會來追究這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].start |
12637.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].end |
12639.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].text |
所以就部長了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].start |
12639.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].end |
12641.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].text |
他都有按照規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].start |
12641.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].end |
12645.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].text |
他每批然後這些半年自主檢驗跟外部檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].start |
12645.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].end |
12646.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].text |
這些都有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].start |
12646.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].end |
12648.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].text |
他有自主檢驗是沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].start |
12648.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].end |
12651.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].text |
只是那個檢驗的抽樣方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].start |
12651.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].end |
12652.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].text |
我們覺得要改進了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].start |
12652.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].end |
12655.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].text |
那我們不是這個外部檢驗也是半年要做一次嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].start |
12655.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].end |
12656.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].text |
對對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].start |
12656.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].end |
12659.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].text |
那所以這些應該都有資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].start |
12659.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].end |
12664.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].text |
就是說他雖然有依法他要自設實驗室沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].start |
12664.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].end |
12665.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].text |
他設了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].start |
12665.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].end |
12669.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].text |
可是他的實驗室並沒有辦法自行檢驗BAP |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].start |
12670.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].end |
12672.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].text |
所以他這個是外送的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].start |
12673.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].end |
12677.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].text |
所以他自主檢驗的部分都有按照規定都有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].start |
12677.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].end |
12681.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].text |
然後而且照你們說的他做出來都是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].start |
12681.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].end |
12682.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].text |
是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].start |
12683.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].end |
12686.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].text |
就是我們因為他只有半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].start |
12686.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].end |
12688.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].text |
他半年做一次而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].start |
12688.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].end |
12691.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].text |
所以那個跟我們這次調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].start |
12691.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].end |
12696.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].text |
因為他是某一某一船某一個原料的問題比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].start |
12696.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].end |
12698.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].text |
所以他就沒有做到那一 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].start |
12699.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].end |
12700.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].text |
那我請問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].start |
12700.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].end |
12702.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].text |
因為我們最後拿到他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].start |
12702.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].end |
12704.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].text |
因為依法還要存留樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].start |
12704.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].end |
12707.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].text |
他的這些需要每一批要存留樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].start |
12707.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].end |
12711.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].text |
那最後我們把他存留的樣本去驗都是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].start |
12711.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].end |
12716.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].text |
跟我們最後從下游出貨的這個原油去驗出來不一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].start |
12716.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].end |
12720.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].text |
所以我們才會這個案子通通送給檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].start |
12720.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].end |
12723.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].text |
所以我們了解他這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].start |
12723.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].end |
12727.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].text |
所以部長剛剛講他這一些不是單就這一批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].start |
12727.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].end |
12730.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].text |
因為這個是我們食安法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].start |
12730.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].end |
12731.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].start |
12731.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].end |
12733.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].text |
那都有按照規定去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].start |
12733.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].end |
12737.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].text |
我們衛福部食藥署都有按照規定去監督嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].start |
12737.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].end |
12740.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].text |
因為這個是地方去查核的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].start |
12740.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].end |
12742.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].text |
就是他們每年去查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].start |
12742.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].end |
12743.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].text |
有沒有按照這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].start |
12743.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].end |
12746.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].text |
這個是由地方去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].start |
12746.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].end |
12748.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].text |
那他資料是提供給衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].start |
12748.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].end |
12749.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].start |
12749.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].end |
12751.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].text |
他是存藏 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].start |
12751.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].end |
12756.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].text |
那所以我們衛福部掌握的資料就是說他都有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].start |
12756.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].end |
12760.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].text |
而且照他做的出來的都是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].start |
12760.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].end |
12763.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].text |
應該是說他是由地方去查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].start |
12763.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].end |
12764.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].text |
他有沒有照這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].start |
12764.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].end |
12766.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].text |
那有問題就要處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].start |
12766.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].end |
12771.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].text |
所以這個當然以今年我們調查到的報告來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].start |
12771.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].end |
12774.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].text |
當然他的報告是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].start |
12774.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].end |
12777.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].text |
但是我們測出來是有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].start |
12777.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].end |
12779.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].text |
所以我的重點就在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].start |
12779.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].end |
12784.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].text |
第一就是部長這邊所得到的訊息就是他有按照規定在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].start |
12784.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].end |
12788.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].text |
然後他所提出來的報告也都是合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].start |
12789.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].end |
12792.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].text |
應該是這樣講就是說除了他自己提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].start |
12792.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].end |
12798.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].text |
那麼我們地方政府也有積核的這個責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].start |
12798.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].end |
12800.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].text |
去積核他照這樣做之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].start |
12800.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].end |
12802.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].text |
那麼有沒有正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].start |
12802.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].end |
12807.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].text |
這些也都是應該要在積核的過程裡面一定要去考慮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].start |
12807.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].end |
12809.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].text |
所以我們一直就沒有辦法理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].start |
12809.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].end |
12811.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].text |
如果這資料都沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].start |
12811.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].end |
12814.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].text |
為什麼從7月13號就要不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].start |
12814.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].end |
12815.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].text |
上次質詢完以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].start |
12815.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].end |
12817.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].text |
部長也自己說會後馬上提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].start |
12817.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].end |
12820.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].text |
一直到這個禮拜也都沒有看到資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].start |
12820.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].end |
12823.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].text |
所以我們合理懷疑這到底有沒有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].start |
12823.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].end |
12824.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].text |
我們到底有沒有監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].start |
12824.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].end |
12827.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].text |
那他做出來的到底是合不合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].start |
12827.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].end |
12830.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].text |
這對我們來講到現在都還是一個謎團 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].start |
12832.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].end |
12837.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].text |
好 那個我們今天下班前就提供給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].start |
12837.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].end |
12839.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].text |
那個資料沒有問題 可以提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].start |
12839.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].end |
12842.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].text |
所以剛剛部長也有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].start |
12842.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].end |
12845.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].text |
像中聯這種他本身都有設立實驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].start |
12846.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].end |
12848.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].text |
按照規定也是要設 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].start |
12848.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].end |
12849.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].text |
那所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].start |
12851.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].end |
12856.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].text |
他本身這個實驗室是並沒有驗這個一級致癌物本填比是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].start |
12856.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].end |
12857.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].text |
他本身沒有能力驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].start |
12857.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].end |
12858.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].text |
所以他是外送的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].start |
12859.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].end |
12861.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].text |
所以也沒有規定要驗嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].start |
12861.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].end |
12869.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].text |
要驗 但是我們過去只是要求到一定規模跟業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].start |
12869.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].end |
12870.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].text |
那麼他要自設實驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].start |
12870.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].end |
12874.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].text |
但是沒有強制說他的實驗室能力到哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].start |
12874.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].end |
12877.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].text |
所以我們這一次的修法裡面才會去說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].start |
12877.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].end |
12882.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].text |
這個自設實驗室的部分要經過主管機關的認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].start |
12882.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].end |
12883.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].text |
那麼才可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].start |
12883.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].end |
12885.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].text |
所以過去的法律裡面沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].start |
12885.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].end |
12887.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].text |
所以是用外部檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].start |
12887.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].end |
12890.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].text |
那外部檢驗到底有沒有驗到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].start |
12890.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].end |
12892.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].text |
他外部檢驗他送的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].start |
12892.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].end |
12895.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].text |
他第一次送出去的是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].start |
12895.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].end |
12898.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].text |
那後來這個南僑通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].start |
12898.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].end |
12900.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].text |
那麼說有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].start |
12900.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].end |
12902.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].text |
然後他再去驗那才說有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].start |
12902.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].end |
12903.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].text |
所以現在是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].start |
12904.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].end |
12906.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].text |
他送那個時候沒有辮子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].start |
12906.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].end |
12908.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].text |
還是他送的檢體根本就是有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].start |
12908.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].end |
12910.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].text |
所以現在都有檢方在調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].start |
12911.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].end |
12913.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].start |
12912.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].end |
12916.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].text |
當時我們得到的訊息是合格的就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].start |
12917.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].end |
12919.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].text |
就是中聯送出去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].start |
12919.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].end |
12921.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].text |
地方查核回來都是說他合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].start |
12921.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].end |
12922.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].text |
前面送都是合格嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].start |
12922.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].end |
12924.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].text |
最後是因為南僑爆發 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].start |
12924.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].end |
12926.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].text |
在驗才知道是不合格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].start |
12927.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].end |
12929.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].text |
對就是有不一致的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].start |
12929.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].end |
12932.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].text |
所以我們應該也是以後也是要要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].start |
12932.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].end |
12934.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].text |
要驗這本扁平一級致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].start |
12934.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].end |
12936.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].text |
對我們在修法裡面就是要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].start |
12936.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].end |
12938.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].text |
他的實驗室他的認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].start |
12938.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].end |
12939.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].text |
要經過認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].start |
12939.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].end |
12942.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].text |
以前法裡面自設實驗室不需要認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].start |
12942.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].end |
12944.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].text |
只有外部的實驗室需要認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].start |
12944.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].end |
12947.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].text |
所以這個部分我們會在修法裡面去強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].start |
12947.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].end |
12950.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].text |
好我們希望我們這個食安的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].start |
12950.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].end |
12952.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].text |
真的要公開啦不能有黑箱 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].start |
12952.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].end |
12955.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].text |
你看連我們要的兩次到現在都看不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].start |
12955.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].end |
12956.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].start |
12957.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].end |
12959.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].text |
我們都完全是公開了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].start |
12959.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].end |
12961.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].text |
這個黑箱的應該是業者啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].start |
12962.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].end |
12966.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].text |
對啊你看我上週有詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].start |
12966.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].end |
12970.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].text |
我們在質詢的時候問非追不可這個系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].start |
12970.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].end |
12972.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].text |
我們那時候截圖你們也跟我們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].start |
12972.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].end |
12974.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].text |
我們走進去的系統是不對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].start |
12974.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].end |
12977.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].text |
後來我們再次查驗我們這個系統就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].start |
12977.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].end |
12981.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].text |
你們衛福部食藥署提供的系統啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].start |
12981.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].end |
12984.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].text |
從首頁進去系統之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].start |
12984.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].end |
12988.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].text |
消費者就可以從非追不可的系統上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].start |
12988.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].end |
12992.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].text |
我們再清楚就可以查到是食品追溯管理系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].start |
12992.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].end |
12998.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].text |
我們從消費者查詢點進去出現食品資訊專櫃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].start |
12998.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].end |
13001.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].text |
再點擊食用油脂製品 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].start |
13001.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].end |
13007.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].text |
然後就會進入食藥署的食品追溯追蹤管理系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].start |
13007.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].end |
13011.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].text |
可是我不知道為什麼上週你們回覆我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].start |
13011.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].end |
13013.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].text |
我們這個系統是不對是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].start |
13013.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].end |
13015.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].text |
明明就是一樣的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].start |
13015.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].end |
13017.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].text |
那為什麼你們說不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].start |
13017.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].end |
13019.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].text |
重點是都沒有更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].start |
13019.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].end |
13021.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].text |
那你說不同的系統我們再上去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].start |
13021.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].end |
13023.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].text |
還是這個系統啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].start |
13024.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].end |
13027.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].text |
我不知道為什麼你們部長你們說不是這個系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].start |
13028.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].end |
13030.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].text |
因為我們有好幾個系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].start |
13031.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].end |
13037.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].text |
這個是對對您現在所秀出來的這個才是追溯管理系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].start |
13037.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].end |
13039.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].text |
跟剛剛那個是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].start |
13039.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].end |
13041.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].text |
這是兩個系統吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].start |
13041.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].end |
13043.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].text |
對啊他是同一個啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].start |
13043.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].end |
13045.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].text |
他是點擊進去啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].start |
13045.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].end |
13047.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].text |
我跟委員說明一下好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].start |
13047.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].end |
13049.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].text |
我們有兩個系統好幾個系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].start |
13049.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].end |
13053.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].text |
跟委員報告就是我們這個非追系統的部分有兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].start |
13053.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].end |
13058.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].text |
一個是由業者依照我們法規規定要填報的非追的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].start |
13058.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].end |
13064.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].text |
那這個現在目前平台秀出來是業者自願揭露給消費者來做查詢的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].start |
13064.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].end |
13066.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].text |
所以兩個資料是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].start |
13066.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].end |
13067.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].text |
水 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].start |
13068.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].end |
13071.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].text |
所以他沒有公開讓民眾知道這些系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].start |
13071.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].end |
13073.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].text |
他是可以不公開的什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].start |
13073.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].end |
13076.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].text |
因為兩個系統填報的資料不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].start |
13078.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].end |
13081.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].text |
那這個系統不一定不就是要讓民眾知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].start |
13081.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].end |
13085.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].text |
那為什麼又要另外一個系統讓民眾知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].start |
13085.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].end |
13089.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].text |
這個是消費資訊為主的資料是對給民眾的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].start |
13089.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].end |
13095.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].text |
那另外我們那個是管理在那個追蹤溯源的時候需要使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].start |
13095.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].end |
13102.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].text |
所以我們食藥署有一部分可能會包含到廠商的營業秘密 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].start |
13102.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].end |
13105.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].text |
所以他沒有辦法完全對外揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].start |
13105.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].end |
13107.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].text |
好那這也是另外一個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].start |
13107.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].end |
13111.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].text |
所以我們廠商都有按照規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].start |
13111.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].end |
13114.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].text |
都有上傳給我們食藥署這個系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].start |
13114.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].end |
13116.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].text |
就算民眾這個我們查詢不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].start |
13116.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].end |
13119.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].text |
那你表示你食藥署都有按規定監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].start |
13119.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].end |
13122.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].text |
他所有這些系統資料都有更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].start |
13122.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].end |
13124.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].text |
都有按照規定上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].start |
13124.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].end |
13128.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].text |
這是另外一個依法要求的要通報要上傳的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].start |
13128.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].end |
13130.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].text |
那因為這個我們也點不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].start |
13130.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].end |
13132.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].text |
當然我們找不到民眾當然也找不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].start |
13132.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].end |
13137.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].text |
因為那裡面還有一些商業秘密在依法的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].start |
13137.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].end |
13141.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].text |
那我們可以知道他有固定上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].start |
13141.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].end |
13144.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].text |
他的日期都會按照規定上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].start |
13144.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].end |
13146.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].text |
半年半年都有上傳更新嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].start |
13146.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].end |
13148.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].text |
都可以查得到沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].start |
13148.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].end |
13149.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].text |
我們查不到啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].start |
13149.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].end |
13151.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].text |
那個是內部啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].start |
13151.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].end |
13156.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].text |
那可以提供讓我們知道他有按照規定上傳嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].start |
13156.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].end |
13157.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].text |
那個都有記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].start |
13157.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].end |
13159.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].text |
那是每個月要報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].start |
13159.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].end |
13161.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].text |
那這個資料也可以一併提供給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].start |
13161.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].end |
13165.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].text |
確定他們有沒有按照規定去上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].start |
13165.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].end |
13167.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].text |
我們衛福部到底有沒有落實在監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].start |
13167.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].end |
13169.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].text |
好 那個一疊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].start |
13169.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].end |
13172.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].text |
因為我們上去看到的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].start |
13172.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].end |
13174.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].text |
中聯就完全都沒有上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].start |
13174.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].end |
13176.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].text |
完全沒有資料上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].start |
13176.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].end |
13179.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].text |
然後福壽上傳到2024年的7月 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].start |
13179.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].end |
13181.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].text |
因為中聯他沒有產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].start |
13182.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].end |
13185.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].text |
中聯的有是提供給泰山福壽福茂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].start |
13185.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].end |
13187.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].text |
所以他本身沒有產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].start |
13187.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].end |
13190.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].text |
所以在外部的系統裡面他不會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].start |
13190.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].end |
13196.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].text |
好 所以我覺得那還是請部長一併連那些資料提供給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].start |
13196.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].end |
13198.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].text |
我們要掌握確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].start |
13198.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].end |
13201.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].text |
我們確認一下因為申報的日期是OK |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].start |
13201.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].end |
13204.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].text |
那如果有一些商業秘密的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].start |
13204.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].end |
13207.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].text |
沒關係啊 我們最主要是要知道他有沒有按照規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].start |
13207.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].end |
13210.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].text |
我們衛福部申報的日期落實在監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].start |
13210.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].end |
13214.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].text |
因為我們看到福茂他就是一直都有更新啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].start |
13214.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].end |
13217.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].text |
跟南橋 南橋連自主檢驗外部檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].start |
13217.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].end |
13219.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].text |
全部都有上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].start |
13219.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].end |
13222.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].text |
福茂也更新到2026年的6月 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].start |
13222.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].end |
13226.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].text |
所以這部分我希望部長能夠給我們完整資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].start |
13226.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].end |
13230.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].text |
我們一定要知道他有沒有按照食安法的規定去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].start |
13230.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].end |
13233.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].text |
有沒有確定把資料落實上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].start |
13233.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].end |
13235.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].text |
然後我們衛福部有沒有好好的監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].start |
13235.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].end |
13237.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].text |
因為我們現在擔心的點是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].start |
13237.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].end |
13240.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].text |
你看大豆沙拉油現在也出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].start |
13240.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].end |
13242.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].text |
現在連苦茶油也出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].start |
13242.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].end |
13246.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].text |
我們擔心是不是這個食安連環報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].start |
13246.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].end |
13249.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].text |
如果很多資料都沒有掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].start |
13249.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].end |
13251.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].text |
我們衛福部都沒有好好監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].start |
13251.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].end |
13255.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].text |
我們擔心是不是還有其他更多的食安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].start |
13255.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].end |
13257.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].text |
接連要爆發 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].start |
13257.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].end |
13259.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].text |
跟委員說明喔 我們這個重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].start |
13259.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].end |
13261.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].text |
這個最上游的四個廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].start |
13261.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].end |
13263.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].text |
其他商場我們都查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].start |
13263.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].end |
13265.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].text |
他們都是符合標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].start |
13265.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].end |
13268.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].text |
所以目前這個是中聯的問題比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].start |
13268.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].end |
13270.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].text |
我希望部長除了這些以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].start |
13270.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].end |
13273.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].text |
我們其他的全部都要嚴格的監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].start |
13273.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].end |
13277.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].text |
那個我們廠商有沒有按照規定上傳資料訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].start |
13277.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].end |
13279.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].text |
然後我們有沒有落實監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].start |
13279.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].end |
13282.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].text |
是不是全部按照食安法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].start |
13282.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].end |
13283.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].text |
該設實驗室設實驗室 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].start |
13283.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].end |
13285.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].text |
該自主檢驗該外部檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].start |
13285.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].end |
13287.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].text |
該半年要查緝的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].start |
13287.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].end |
13289.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].text |
所有的資料該上傳一定要上傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].start |
13289.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].end |
13292.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].text |
不然這個其他還有食安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].start |
13292.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].end |
13295.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].text |
現在是民眾跟大家很擔憂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].start |
13295.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].end |
13297.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].text |
是不是還有很多還沒有爆發 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].start |
13297.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].end |
13300.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].text |
甚至我們現在是不是也有吃到很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].start |
13300.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].end |
13301.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].text |
致癌物的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].start |
13301.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].end |
13303.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].text |
只是現在還不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].start |
13303.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].end |
13305.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].text |
我們跟中央地方一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].start |
13305.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].end |
13308.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].text |
大家一起聯手來做你的承認食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].start |
13308.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].end |
13310.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].text |
請部長大家多幫忙多加油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].start |
13310.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].end |
13311.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].start |
13312.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].end |
13314.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].text |
好 謝謝主研區委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].start |
13314.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].end |
13319.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].text |
待會兒如現已召委詢答完畢後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].start |
13319.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].end |
13321.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].text |
休息三十分鐘用餐 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].start |
13321.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].end |
13324.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].text |
接下來請黃秀芳委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].start |
13330.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].end |
13332.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].text |
謝謝主席我們先請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].start |
13336.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].end |
13337.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].text |
黃委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].start |
13337.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].end |
13340.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].text |
部長好 今天蠻多位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].start |
13340.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].end |
13343.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].text |
也關心食用油的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].start |
13343.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].end |
13345.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].text |
我希望就是說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].start |
13345.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].end |
13347.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].text |
不論是中央跟地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].start |
13347.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].end |
13349.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].text |
就是都要負起責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].start |
13349.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].end |
13351.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].text |
所以你們的權責是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].start |
13351.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].end |
13352.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].text |
然後也要講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].start |
13352.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].end |
13355.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].text |
因為不能這樣事事而非 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].start |
13355.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].end |
13358.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].text |
有時候地方政府首長他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].start |
13359.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].end |
13360.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].text |
會讓人家覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].start |
13360.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].end |
13363.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].text |
原本那個權責是在這個地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].start |
13363.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].end |
13364.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].text |
結果講一講好像覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].start |
13364.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].end |
13366.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].text |
全部責任都在中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].start |
13366.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].end |
13367.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].text |
所以我希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].start |
13367.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].end |
13369.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].text |
衛福部食藥署針對這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].start |
13369.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].end |
13371.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].text |
我覺得都要講清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].start |
13371.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].end |
13373.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].text |
另外就是說大家擔心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].start |
13373.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].end |
13376.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].text |
現在架上面的在超市上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].start |
13376.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].end |
13377.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].text |
在所有這個架 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].start |
13377.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].end |
13381.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].text |
就是上架全部都是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].start |
13381.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].end |
13383.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].text |
就是一定要再次的重申 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].start |
13383.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].end |
13386.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].text |
在這個商品架上面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].start |
13386.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].end |
13388.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].text |
所有的食用油都是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].start |
13388.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].end |
13390.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].text |
民眾可以放心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].start |
13390.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].end |
13392.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].text |
當然就是說後面的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].start |
13392.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].end |
13393.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].text |
責任的歸屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].start |
13393.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].end |
13396.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].text |
我覺得後面你們也要再去釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].start |
13396.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].end |
13398.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].text |
到底責任在誰那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].start |
13398.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].end |
13401.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].text |
那未來這種事情就不能再發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].start |
13401.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].end |
13404.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].text |
再來就是說也要透明化 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].start |
13404.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].end |
13406.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].text |
讓民眾他可以去查詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].start |
13406.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].end |
13407.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].text |
然後能夠更透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].start |
13407.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].end |
13409.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].text |
我覺得這個應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].start |
13409.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].end |
13412.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].text |
衛福部食藥署這邊應該要做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].start |
13412.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].end |
13415.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].text |
然後跟地方你們的權責是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].start |
13415.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].end |
13417.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].text |
我覺得你們都要分清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].start |
13417.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].end |
13420.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].text |
不要像這一次地方推給中央說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].start |
13420.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].end |
13422.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].text |
就你們的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].start |
13422.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].end |
13423.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].text |
然後中央覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].start |
13423.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].end |
13426.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].text |
這個後市場或者是這個茶廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].start |
13426.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].end |
13427.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].text |
就是地方的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].start |
13427.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].end |
13429.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].text |
我覺得未來不能有這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].start |
13429.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].end |
13431.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].text |
一個情形再發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].start |
13431.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].end |
13433.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].text |
是好跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].start |
13433.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].end |
13435.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].text |
這確實食安的把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].start |
13435.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].end |
13437.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].text |
需要中央地方一起合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].start |
13437.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].end |
13442.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].text |
那麼至於在地方權責這個稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].start |
13442.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].end |
13446.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].text |
或者是這個在調查等等的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].start |
13446.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].end |
13448.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].text |
如果有不足的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].start |
13448.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].end |
13450.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].text |
無力的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].start |
13450.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].end |
13452.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].text |
我們一定會全力來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].start |
13452.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].end |
13453.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].text |
所以都會按照這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].start |
13453.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].end |
13456.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].text |
那目前我們經過了完整的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].start |
13456.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].end |
13459.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].text |
我們也在昨天把這個調查報告也公開了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].start |
13459.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].end |
13464.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].text |
那麼也同時交給這個地方主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].start |
13464.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].end |
13467.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].text |
再去督導這個業者改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].start |
13467.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].end |
13469.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].text |
所以這個我們都做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].start |
13469.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].end |
13471.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].text |
那目前在架上的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].start |
13471.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].end |
13473.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].text |
我們都確保它是安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].start |
13473.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].end |
13475.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].text |
包含另外那三個廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].start |
13475.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].end |
13477.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].text |
我們也都完成它的抽驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].start |
13477.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].end |
13479.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].text |
那麼也都合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].start |
13479.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].end |
13483.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].text |
好那當然就是說這個民眾都會非常擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].start |
13483.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].end |
13485.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].text |
所以如果部長這樣子講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].start |
13485.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].end |
13488.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].text |
我相信所有消費者應該會更安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].start |
13488.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].end |
13491.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].text |
就是說在貨架上面的產品都是安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].start |
13491.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].end |
13493.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].text |
那接下來我想請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].start |
13493.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].end |
13496.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].text |
因為這個安樂死的這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].start |
13496.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].end |
13500.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].text |
從這個7月中旬在議場就是通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].start |
13500.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].end |
13502.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].text |
就是這個安樂死的公投 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].start |
13502.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].end |
13504.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].text |
就是說未來要公投 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].start |
13504.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].end |
13507.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].text |
那像這樣子的話其實我不贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].start |
13507.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].end |
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就是這個人的生或死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].start |
13511.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].end |
13513.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].text |
然後交給這個公投 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].start |
13513.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].end |
13515.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].text |
其實我覺得這是非常不負責任的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5158].end |
13517.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].text |
可是我覺得可以討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5159].end |
13520.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].text |
因為在我們在跑基層的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5160].end |
13523.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].text |
其實會有碰到有一些民眾確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].start |
13523.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].end |
13526.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].text |
他可能這個市值癱瘓 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].start |
13526.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].end |
13529.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].text |
那整個家裡面的經濟會因為這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].start |
13529.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].end |
13531.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].text |
然後整個拖垮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].start |
13531.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].end |
13534.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].text |
那這個患者他本身他就會覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].start |
13534.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].end |
13536.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].text |
那如果今天有安樂死的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].start |
13536.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].end |
13538.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].text |
他會選擇安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].start |
13538.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].end |
13542.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].text |
所以我希望就是說這個安樂死的這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].start |
13542.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].end |
13544.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].text |
我覺得是可以討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].start |
13544.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].end |
13548.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].text |
那接下來我想請教就刑法的這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].start |
13548.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].end |
13552.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].text |
就是說這個我們憲法第15條就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].start |
13552.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].end |
13554.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].text |
保障人民的生存權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].start |
13554.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].end |
13558.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].text |
工作權財產權都是要給予保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].start |
13558.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].end |
13560.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].text |
那像這樣子安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].start |
13560.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].end |
13564.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].text |
就是說這個跟憲法的這個精神好像又有點抵觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].start |
13564.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].end |
13568.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].text |
我不知道說未來這個法務部這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].start |
13568.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].end |
13570.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].text |
未來會怎麼去做解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].start |
13570.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].end |
13573.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].text |
那我也想請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].start |
13573.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].end |
13577.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].text |
針對這個現在大家要討論的這個安樂死的這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].start |
13577.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].end |
13580.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].text |
因為我今天也看到這個醫師公會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].start |
13580.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].end |
13582.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].text |
全聯會這邊是反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].start |
13582.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].end |
13586.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].text |
那我不知道站在衛福部部長的這個立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].start |
13586.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].end |
13588.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].text |
你的想法是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].start |
13588.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].end |
13590.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].text |
我想這個尊嚴善忠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].start |
13590.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].end |
13593.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].text |
都是我們大家希望達到的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].start |
13593.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].end |
13596.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].text |
都是希望能夠讓民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].start |
13596.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].end |
13601.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].text |
在最後的生命的這個階段能夠圓滿 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].start |
13601.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].end |
13604.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].text |
那麼安樂死這個議題的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].start |
13604.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].end |
13606.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].text |
這個範圍是很寬廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].start |
13606.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].end |
13610.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].text |
如果真的要來講我們現在所施行的安寧緩和 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].start |
13610.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].end |
13612.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].text |
那麼或者是病主法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].start |
13612.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].end |
13613.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].text |
在某種程度上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].start |
13613.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].end |
13615.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].text |
它也是一種比較消極的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].start |
13615.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].end |
13619.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].text |
比較被動式的那麼對生命的尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].start |
13619.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].end |
13623.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].text |
也是可以在這個安樂死的範圍裡面的一邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].start |
13623.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].end |
13627.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].text |
它是比較這個嚴謹現說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].start |
13627.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].end |
13633.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].text |
那到很積極的去以協助加工的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].start |
13633.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].end |
13634.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].text |
加速的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].start |
13634.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].end |
13641.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].text |
那這個當然就會有更多對生命法義上的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].start |
13641.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].end |
13643.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].text |
還有生命的價值等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].start |
13643.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].end |
13645.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].text |
這些就會需要更多的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].start |
13645.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].end |
13648.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].text |
所以也就是我在前面一直提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].start |
13648.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].end |
13651.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].text |
這個我們願意來開放討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].start |
13651.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].end |
13656.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].text |
那但是這個用公投的方式太過草率 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].start |
13656.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].end |
13662.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].text |
那麼沒有辦法真正的展現出我們大家的社會的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].start |
13662.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].end |
13666.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].text |
所以這個是因為它裡面的細節實在是太多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].start |
13666.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].end |
13668.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].text |
那據我的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].start |
13668.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].end |
13672.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].text |
過去世界醫師會也曾經有反對過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].start |
13672.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].end |
13676.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].text |
這個醫師協助自殺這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].start |
13676.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].end |
13680.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].text |
所以這個確實它就是一個爭議的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].start |
13680.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].end |
13684.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].text |
可是就是說我們以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].start |
13684.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].end |
13687.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].text |
大家可能會很禁忌去提這樣的一個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].start |
13687.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].end |
13690.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].text |
可是隨著高齡化的這樣的一個社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].start |
13690.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].end |
13693.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].text |
那其實有很多人會很open |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].start |
13693.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].end |
13695.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].text |
就是去討論這樣的一個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].start |
13695.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].end |
13696.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].text |
那當然就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].start |
13696.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].end |
13699.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].text |
我覺得衛福部或者是法務部針對這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].start |
13699.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].end |
13704.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].text |
我覺得應該就法的部分應該也要去討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].start |
13704.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].end |
13706.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].text |
就是說刑法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].start |
13706.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].end |
13709.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].text |
那會不會有這種加工自殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].start |
13709.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].end |
13712.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].text |
那是不是會有殺人罪的這樣的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].start |
13712.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].end |
13714.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].text |
我覺得法務部應該也要就這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].start |
13714.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].end |
13716.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].text |
也要有所去討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].start |
13716.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].end |
13720.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].text |
然後也可能要找一些專家學者來針對這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].start |
13720.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].end |
13724.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].text |
未來如果大家的都有共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].start |
13724.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].end |
13726.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].text |
那未來如果真的也有安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].start |
13726.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].end |
13728.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].text |
那可能會碰到什麼樣的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].start |
13728.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].end |
13731.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].text |
就法的部分可能會碰到什麼樣的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].start |
13731.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].end |
13734.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].text |
我是不是可以先請法務部這邊先 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].start |
13735.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].end |
13736.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].text |
解釋一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].start |
13741.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].end |
13745.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].text |
跟委員報告有關您剛剛垂尋的這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].start |
13745.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].end |
13747.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].text |
那就本部的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].start |
13747.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].end |
13752.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].text |
我們是認為生命權是憲法保障的重要基本權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].start |
13752.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].end |
13755.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].text |
國家原則上也是負有保護生命的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].start |
13755.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].end |
13761.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].text |
所以我們將來如果說真的是立法政策是要容許安樂死的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].start |
13761.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].end |
13765.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].text |
那這個當然是涉及生命權保障的重大公共利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].start |
13765.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].end |
13768.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].text |
所以我們在立法的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].start |
13768.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].end |
13773.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].text |
我們是建議應該是要充分的衡量是不是有符合比例原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].start |
13773.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].end |
13776.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].text |
然後是不是有建立足夠的程序保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].start |
13776.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].end |
13779.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].text |
然後是不是真正處於本人的自主意識 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].start |
13779.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].end |
13784.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].text |
然後是不是沒有避免弱勢者遭受不當的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].start |
13784.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].end |
13787.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].text |
那這個是立法的時候我們應該審慎評估的重要事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].start |
13787.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].end |
13791.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].text |
那當然這個是屬於衛福部的權責 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].start |
13791.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].end |
13796.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].text |
而且這涉及很多重大的醫療決策跟決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].start |
13796.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].end |
13797.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].text |
好非常專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].start |
13797.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].end |
13803.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].text |
那本部是尊重主管機關的政策決定跟專業評估還有大院的審議決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].start |
13803.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].end |
13805.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].text |
好那其實我們看到很多國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].start |
13805.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].end |
13808.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].text |
就是有一些國家就我剛剛列出來這些國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].start |
13808.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].end |
13815.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].text |
他們這個上面就是說有的國家他們這個安樂死已經有很多年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].start |
13815.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].end |
13818.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].text |
可是還有一些這個反對的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].start |
13818.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].end |
13821.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].text |
當然就是說這一些反對的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].start |
13821.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].end |
13827.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].text |
雖然這一個有的國家可能這一個已經很就是已經實行很久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].start |
13827.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].end |
13830.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].text |
那確實還是會有一些聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].start |
13830.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].end |
13836.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].text |
所以我們也希望就是說未來如果真的在這個公投上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].start |
13836.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].end |
13840.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].text |
或者是說未來真的有這樣的一個安樂死的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].start |
13840.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].end |
13844.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].text |
當然就是要集合眾多人的這個意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].start |
13844.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].end |
13846.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].text |
然後大家要有一個共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].start |
13846.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].end |
13849.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].text |
可能就是要跟社會也要溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].start |
13849.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].end |
13856.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].text |
要不然如果這個未來就是有這樣的一個安樂死就是通過之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].start |
13856.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].end |
13859.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].text |
我覺得可能也會有延伸更多的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].start |
13859.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].end |
13866.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].text |
當然就是說為什麼會這個患者或者是會有想要這個安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].start |
13866.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].end |
13868.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].text |
第一個可能他會覺得痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].start |
13868.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].end |
13871.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].text |
我覺得很多人因為我碰到一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].start |
13871.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].end |
13877.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].text |
那他是這個因為車禍然後造成整個四肢癱瘓 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].start |
13877.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].end |
13882.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].text |
就是他的這個意識是清醒的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].start |
13882.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].end |
13885.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].text |
所以他會覺得說他整天躺在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].start |
13885.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].end |
13887.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].text |
然後四肢都不能動他覺得非常的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].start |
13887.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].end |
13891.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].text |
那也拖累家人然後整個經濟狀況都被拖累 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].start |
13891.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].end |
13896.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].text |
所以他從一開始躺到現在兩年多的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].start |
13896.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].end |
13899.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].text |
他會覺得說他想要結束自己的生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].start |
13899.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].end |
13902.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].text |
那當然他自己沒辦法結束自己的生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].start |
13902.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].end |
13907.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].text |
結束自己的生命當然就是要透過可能要用其他的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].start |
13907.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].end |
13909.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].text |
可是如果今天沒有這個安樂死的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].start |
13909.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].end |
13913.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].text |
也許他可能這個一躺可能又要躺好幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].start |
13913.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].end |
13916.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].text |
躺好幾年那就是自然死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].start |
13916.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].end |
13920.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].text |
所以就是說我覺得這個議題是可以去討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].start |
13920.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].end |
13924.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].text |
那可能就法的部分可能會延伸更多的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].start |
13924.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].end |
13928.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].text |
不論是憲法或者刑法都會延伸非常多的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].start |
13928.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].end |
13932.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].text |
我也希望就是說既然這個議題已經拋出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].start |
13932.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].end |
13937.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].text |
那衛福部跟這個我們法務部針對這部分應該也要去研擬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].start |
13937.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].end |
13940.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].text |
就未來如果真的這個安樂死就是成立之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].start |
13940.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].end |
13944.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].text |
那會這個就法的部分會碰到什麼樣的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].start |
13944.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].end |
13946.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].text |
那再來就是說醫師的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].start |
13946.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].end |
13949.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].text |
因為今天我看到醫師公會他們是反對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].start |
13949.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].end |
13953.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].text |
那未來這個執行誰要執行如果醫師都反對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].start |
13953.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].end |
13956.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].text |
那醫師是不是可以拒絕不要去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].start |
13956.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].end |
13958.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].text |
是不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].start |
13959.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].end |
13966.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].text |
跟委員說明就是以現在其他的國家有施行這個安樂死的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].start |
13966.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].end |
13969.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].text |
大概都是要先經過醫師的處方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].start |
13969.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].end |
13972.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].text |
大概這個處方都是醫師開出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].start |
13972.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].end |
13977.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].text |
只是有的是由病人自己使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].start |
13977.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].end |
13982.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].text |
有的是可以由醫師直接給予 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].start |
13982.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].end |
13984.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].text |
所以這個還是我後面的執行端 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].start |
13984.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].end |
13986.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].text |
那麼當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].start |
13987.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].end |
13992.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].text |
這個即使在有通過安樂死法案的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].start |
13992.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].end |
13997.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].text |
他也允許這個醫師他有他個人的價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].start |
13997.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].end |
14000.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].text |
或者是信仰下不執行的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].start |
14000.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].end |
14006.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].text |
所以這個是在已經有安樂死的這個合法的國家也是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].start |
14006.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].end |
14012.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].text |
所以你才會看到有一些都是固定或部分的機構或醫師才執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].start |
14012.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].end |
14016.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].text |
並不是每一個醫師都在做這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].start |
14016.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].end |
14020.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].text |
好我們就是說透過今天的這個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].start |
14020.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].end |
14022.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].text |
就是說這個議題已經拋出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].start |
14022.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].end |
14027.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].text |
那當然就是相關的單位大家要去研擬也要去討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].start |
14027.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].end |
14029.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].text |
未來可能碰到這個法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].start |
14029.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].end |
14032.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].text |
那再來就是說醫師拒絕執行的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].start |
14032.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].end |
14035.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].text |
那要有什麼樣的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].start |
14035.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].end |
14036.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].text |
我覺得這個都可以討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].start |
14036.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].end |
14038.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].text |
不是說大家就避開不談 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].start |
14038.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].end |
14040.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].text |
當然就是要去討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].start |
14040.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].end |
14042.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].text |
取得社會的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].start |
14042.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].end |
14044.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].text |
而不是用公投的方式來決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].start |
14044.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].end |
14046.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].start |
14046.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].end |
14048.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].text |
好謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].start |
14047.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].end |
14050.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].text |
好謝謝黃秀芳委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].start |
14050.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].end |
14052.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].text |
那重新公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].start |
14053.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].end |
14055.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].text |
待會兒去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].start |
14056.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].end |
14060.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].text |
待會兒召之委員巡達完畢後休息30分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].start |
14060.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].end |
14062.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].text |
那接下來請王振旭委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].start |
14069.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].end |
14071.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].text |
好謝謝主席我們還是請市部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].start |
14071.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].end |
14073.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].text |
有請市部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].start |
14077.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].end |
14078.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].text |
王委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].start |
14078.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].end |
14079.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].start |
14079.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].end |
14083.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].text |
今天就是要針對很重要的主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].start |
14083.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].end |
14085.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].text |
就是有關於安樂死的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].start |
14085.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].end |
14087.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].text |
的研究啦病毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].start |
14087.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].end |
14091.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].text |
跟安寧緩和醫療政策這兩點來跟部長討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].start |
14091.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].end |
14093.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].text |
大家一直在討論我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].start |
14093.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].end |
14095.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].text |
所有的委員都很關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].start |
14095.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].end |
14099.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].text |
就是民眾他是對安樂死那麼有高的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].start |
14099.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].end |
14102.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].text |
或者是很希望能夠趕快立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].start |
14102.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].end |
14105.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].text |
相信大家都講得非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].start |
14105.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].end |
14107.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].text |
就是很怕痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].start |
14107.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].end |
14109.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].text |
不知道將來怎麼樣去掌握痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].start |
14109.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].end |
14114.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].text |
那如果根據世界衛生組織對痛苦的定義的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].start |
14114.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].end |
14118.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].text |
他是認為只要任何身心設靈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].start |
14118.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].end |
14121.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].text |
這四大部分四大面向不平安 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].start |
14121.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].end |
14122.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].text |
那就是痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].start |
14122.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].end |
14125.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].text |
那其實痛跟苦是分開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].start |
14125.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].end |
14129.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].text |
痛的話身體上的一些不舒服不平安我們就稱為痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].start |
14129.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].end |
14131.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].text |
那更難的是苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].start |
14131.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].end |
14135.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].text |
任何心理上的或者是靈性上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].start |
14135.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].end |
14137.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].text |
包括我們上次所提到的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].start |
14137.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].end |
14140.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].text |
可能很擔心成為其他人的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].start |
14140.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].end |
14141.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].text |
他覺得生命沒有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].start |
14141.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].end |
14145.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].text |
這些苦如何能夠有效的去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].start |
14145.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].end |
14148.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].text |
如果能夠把痛跟苦做有效處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].start |
14148.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].end |
14150.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].text |
那是不是平安了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].start |
14150.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].end |
14153.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].text |
對安樂死的觀點又會不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].start |
14153.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].end |
14157.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].text |
這個就是大家必須要共同努力的來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].start |
14157.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].end |
14159.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].text |
那也希望未來在死亡這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].start |
14159.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].end |
14161.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].text |
社會有更多的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].start |
14161.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].end |
14163.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].text |
那身為一個腫瘤科醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].start |
14163.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].end |
14165.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].text |
對死亡議題真的感受特別深刻 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].start |
14165.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].end |
14167.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].text |
所以我們很期待未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].start |
14167.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].end |
14170.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].text |
不管是主管機關或者是社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].start |
14170.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].end |
14172.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].text |
如何能夠針對這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].start |
14172.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].end |
14176.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].text |
包括我們看到這個民眾黨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].start |
14176.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].end |
14179.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].text |
本身所提出來的這個法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].start |
14179.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].end |
14183.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].text |
或者是陳文文所提出來的這個法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].start |
14183.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].end |
14186.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].text |
真的是值得大家共同努力來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].start |
14186.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].end |
14190.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].text |
那安樂死是不是跟等同善終 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].start |
14190.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].end |
14192.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].text |
我想這也是大家共同要去瞭解的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].start |
14194.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].end |
14196.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].text |
剛剛講過的善終的意思就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].start |
14196.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].end |
14199.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].text |
很平安的離開就是善終 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].start |
14199.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].end |
14204.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].text |
那如果剛剛也提到說什麼是不平安就是痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].start |
14204.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].end |
14206.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].text |
那如何能夠把安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].start |
14206.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].end |
14209.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].text |
如果將來經過大家討論以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].start |
14209.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].end |
14211.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].text |
真的有辦法做到善終 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].start |
14211.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].end |
14213.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].text |
這是非常完美的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].start |
14213.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].end |
14215.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].text |
那要跨到這個部分之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].start |
14215.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].end |
14217.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].text |
我們如何能夠有好的討論模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].start |
14217.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].end |
14219.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].text |
我相信今天的社會委員應該都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].start |
14219.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].end |
14223.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].text |
跟部長跟大家要共同來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].start |
14223.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].end |
14227.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].text |
那今天我先引用立法院法治局 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].start |
14227.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].end |
14229.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].text |
他們所做的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].start |
14229.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].end |
14231.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].text |
在2015年5月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].start |
14231.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].end |
14234.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].text |
立法院法治局他們有把這個研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].start |
14234.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].end |
14237.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].text |
真的安樂死的類型做一些區分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].start |
14237.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].end |
14240.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].text |
第一個就是所謂的積極安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].start |
14240.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].end |
14242.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].text |
另外就是消極的安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].start |
14242.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].end |
14244.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].text |
那這是從這個醫療行為裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].start |
14244.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].end |
14246.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].text |
來做一個判斷的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].start |
14246.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].end |
14250.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].text |
那積極安樂死意思還分成兩種 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].start |
14250.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].end |
14253.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].text |
積極安樂死就是指醫療人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].start |
14253.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].end |
14255.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].text |
或他人採取積極的行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].start |
14255.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].end |
14258.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].text |
直接來促成病人死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].start |
14258.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].end |
14260.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].text |
這個就是稱為積極安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].start |
14260.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].end |
14264.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].text |
那這個部分分為兩個目的跟方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].start |
14264.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].end |
14266.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].text |
一個就是直接安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].start |
14266.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].end |
14268.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].text |
一個是間接安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].start |
14268.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].end |
14270.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].text |
這個我們從螢幕上可以看得出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].start |
14270.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].end |
14273.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].text |
所謂這個直接安樂死就是透過注射藥物 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].start |
14273.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].end |
14276.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].text |
或其他方式來直接造成病人的死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].start |
14276.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].end |
14278.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].text |
那如果是間接安樂死的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].start |
14278.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].end |
14282.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].text |
就是在緩解病人痛苦的醫療過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].start |
14282.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].end |
14285.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].text |
使用可能具有縮短生命效果的藥物 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].start |
14285.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].end |
14287.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].text |
或者是措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].start |
14287.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].end |
14290.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].text |
其主要目的還是要減輕痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].start |
14290.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].end |
14292.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].text |
而不是直接造成死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].start |
14294.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].end |
14297.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].text |
積極安樂死再分為這兩個大部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].start |
14297.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].end |
14300.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].text |
那所謂的消極安樂死是指停止 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].start |
14300.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].end |
14302.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].text |
或者是不施行無效 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].start |
14302.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].end |
14305.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].text |
無益的這個嚴密醫療的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].start |
14305.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].end |
14308.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].text |
例如我們在已經實施提供的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].start |
14308.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].end |
14309.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].text |
撤除微生設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].start |
14309.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].end |
14313.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].text |
拒絕接受微生這個治療 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].start |
14313.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].end |
14316.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].text |
或讓疾病自然發展至死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].start |
14316.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].end |
14319.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].text |
這個也是一種安樂死的一種形式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].start |
14319.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].end |
14322.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].text |
那另外第三個就是協助自殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].start |
14322.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].end |
14325.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].text |
協助自殺就是我們剛剛聽到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].start |
14325.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].end |
14328.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].text |
病人執行結束生命的嫌疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].start |
14328.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].end |
14332.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].text |
但是必須要由他人來提供必要的協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].start |
14332.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].end |
14335.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].text |
那這樣提供大部分都是以醫療相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].start |
14335.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].end |
14338.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].text |
由醫師來開立處方以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].start |
14338.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].end |
14341.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].text |
所以如果我們將來要討論的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].start |
14341.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].end |
14344.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].text |
可能要大家針對這些名詞 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].start |
14344.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].end |
14350.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].text |
或者是概念上需要有比較好的一個理論的基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].start |
14350.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].end |
14352.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].text |
不然的話恐怕會混為一談 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].start |
14352.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].end |
14356.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].text |
那這部分另外也提供這個加拿大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].start |
14356.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].end |
14359.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].text |
實驗的經驗再供大家參考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].start |
14359.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].end |
14361.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].text |
我想部長應該很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].start |
14361.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].end |
14365.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].text |
那剛剛林處長也非常用很多時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].start |
14365.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].end |
14368.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].text |
針對加拿大的經驗也提供了一些說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].start |
14368.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].end |
14370.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].text |
那這邊的例子是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].start |
14370.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].end |
14374.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].text |
在加拿大在2016年將這個醫療協助死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].start |
14374.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].end |
14376.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].text |
合法化了以後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].start |
14376.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].end |
14379.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].text |
到現在已經將近十年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].start |
14379.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].end |
14381.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].text |
那根據加拿大衛生部所 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].start |
14381.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].end |
14384.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].text |
最近公布的這個官方年度報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].start |
14384.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].end |
14387.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].text |
2024年死亡人數占這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].start |
14387.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].end |
14390.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].text |
透過安樂死和死亡人數占這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].start |
14390.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].end |
14393.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].text |
整個死亡人口的5.1% |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].start |
14393.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].end |
14397.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].text |
所以的確他們也執行到有將近5.1% |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].start |
14397.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].end |
14402.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].text |
那這個人數是不是跟他們當初所預期的有落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].start |
14402.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].end |
14405.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].text |
這個我們還需要做後續的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].start |
14405.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].end |
14406.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].text |
那意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].start |
14406.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].end |
14409.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].text |
合法化十年的安樂死在加拿大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].start |
14409.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].end |
14412.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].text |
看起來安樂死這個所占的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].start |
14412.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].end |
14415.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].text |
還是不是多數人臨床的選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].start |
14415.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].end |
14417.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].text |
只有5.1% |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].start |
14417.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].end |
14420.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].text |
所以大部分的人還是依靠既有的醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].start |
14420.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].end |
14423.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].text |
跟長照體系走完最後一層 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].start |
14423.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].end |
14426.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].text |
那他們在這個報告裡面呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].start |
14426.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].end |
14428.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].text |
另外有直接點出說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].start |
14428.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].end |
14429.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].text |
非末期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].start |
14430.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].end |
14433.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].text |
病患申請者當中有一半左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].start |
14433.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].end |
14435.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].text |
占了49.2% |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].start |
14435.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].end |
14438.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].text |
表示自己是因為覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].start |
14438.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].end |
14440.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].text |
是家人的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].start |
14440.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].end |
14442.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].text |
這種想要減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].start |
14442.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].end |
14444.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].text |
或者是想要免除家人的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].start |
14444.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].end |
14446.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].text |
而申請了安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].start |
14446.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].end |
14449.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].text |
那另外那個安大略省首席的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].start |
14449.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].end |
14452.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].text |
驗屍官辦公室的審查報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].start |
14452.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].end |
14453.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].text |
也有多次的揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].start |
14453.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].end |
14455.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].text |
有個案是在長照 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].start |
14455.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].end |
14459.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].text |
或者是安寧床位不足的情形之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].start |
14459.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].end |
14461.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].text |
經過數個小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].start |
14461.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].end |
14463.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].text |
就會核准病人執行安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].start |
14463.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].end |
14464.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].text |
這個代表說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].start |
14464.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].end |
14467.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].text |
如果我們有足夠的醫療資源的話 |
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也許這個選擇就會不一樣 |
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那也有在這個報告 |
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有委員指出說 |
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少數的醫師會集中執行大多數的案例 |
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那這個代表著 |
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這個把關的寬延不一 |
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這個就是未來我們在討論的時候 |
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或者是立法的過程裡面 |
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也要非常非常注意的地方 |
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那這些都代表著安樂死 |
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或是在加拿大十年以後 |
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官方自己的報告點出來的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].start |
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就是安樂死的執行 |
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14499.58 |
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或者是處理還是要更多的討論 |
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才是未來我們要處理的重點 |
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那當然如果我們把現有的病毒法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5477].end |
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安寧緩和條例跟長照做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].start |
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做完整的話 |
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那是不是就能夠讓這樣的需求 |
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做一個不同的考量 |
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所以面對安樂死政策的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].start |
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有兩點請部長來考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].start |
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14522.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5484].end |
14525.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].text |
衛福部不應該只是被動的回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5485].end |
14528.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].text |
必須要主動的去把這個議題拋出來以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].start |
14528.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].end |
14533.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].text |
如何共同的請社會所有的人民民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5487].end |
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還有所有的專家學者一起共同來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5488].text |
第二個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5489].end |
14541.58 |
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衛福部也應該儘速啟動跨國的比較研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5490].end |
14544.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].text |
讓討論的過程裡面可以更為周詳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5491].end |
14546.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].text |
部長您的意見怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5492].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5492].text |
事實上跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].start |
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14551.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].text |
過去也有收集過其他國家的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5494].end |
14553.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].text |
不過這些年過去之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5495].end |
14557.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].text |
這些實施的國家也有更進一步的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5496].end |
14559.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].text |
所以我剛剛也說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5497].end |
14563.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].text |
就是我們一年內會完成這樣的一個研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5498].end |
14565.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].text |
包含跨國比較之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].start |
14565.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].end |
14569.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].text |
還要開啟國內的各個焦點團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5500].text |
或者是透過討論的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5501].end |
14574.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].text |
那麼把這些重要的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5502].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5502].text |
跟大家盡可能的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].start |
14577.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].end |
14579.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].text |
把它逐步的點出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].start |
14579.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].end |
14586.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].text |
其實是非常需要大家共同來努力的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].start |
14586.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].end |
14590.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].text |
其實我們目前在透過病人自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].start |
14590.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].end |
14592.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].text |
跟安庭緩和醫療條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5507].end |
14596.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].text |
事實上也已經提供病人在特定條件之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].start |
14596.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].end |
14598.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].text |
可選擇不接受無效醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5509].end |
14601.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].text |
讓病情自然發展到死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].start |
14601.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].end |
14605.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].text |
這個都是我們目前在執行過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5511].end |
14608.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].text |
其實是有這樣可以依據的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5512].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5512].text |
當然這個落實部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5513].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5513].text |
就會有現況跟困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].start |
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14615.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].text |
這個現況跟困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].start |
14616.19 |
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14619.19 |
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也正在修這個病主法 |
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希望能夠擴大這個範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5517].end |
14623.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].text |
可是在目前有了解說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].start |
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14626.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].text |
病主法跟安庭緩和的這個現況問題裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5519].end |
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就會包括第一個就是ACP的服務量不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5520].end |
14635.19 |
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再過來就是制度性的障礙需要趕快突破 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5521].end |
14639.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].text |
還有啟動標準模糊燃性導致AD的架空 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5522].end |
14642.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].text |
第三個就是跨場域的資訊斷鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5523].end |
14645.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].text |
病人醫院在轉型中遺失第一線人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5524].end |
14647.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].text |
權責界線不明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5525].end |
14649.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].text |
承受這個巨大的風險壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5526].end |
14652.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].text |
社會端生命適民的匱乏 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5527].end |
14655.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].text |
決策被推斬到這個最後一刻 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5528].end |
14657.19 |
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才會去考慮怎麼用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5529].end |
14660.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].text |
所以這些困境我們都了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5530].end |
14663.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].text |
那我說我們在病主法的修法的過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5531].end |
14666.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].text |
還有帶更多的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5532].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5532].text |
那在這個還沒有完成這些修法之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5533].text |
那是不是能夠考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5534].end |
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第一個就是直接來這個修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5535].end |
14678.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].text |
提供育力醫主照護諮詢的這個醫療機構管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].start |
14678.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5536].text |
來加強執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5537].end |
14682.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].text |
第二部分是不是能夠納入大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5538].end |
14686.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].text |
等這個家庭跟社區醫師的照護計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].start |
14686.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].end |
14687.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].text |
來提高這個量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].start |
14687.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].end |
14690.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].text |
能不能夠持續擴大健保的給付範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5541].end |
14693.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].text |
早上部長在口頭報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5542].end |
14695.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].text |
也有把這些人數做了說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5543].end |
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似乎我們需要能夠再加把勁 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5544].end |
14700.19 |
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部長你目前有沒有什麼想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].start |
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14705.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].text |
跟委員說明其實我們一開始起步真的是很困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].start |
14705.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].end |
14710.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].text |
不過在去年我們把這個健保 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].start |
14710.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].end |
14713.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].text |
對於65歲以上的多重慢性病 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5548].end |
14716.19 |
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或者是有重大傷病 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].start |
14716.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].end |
14718.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].text |
那麼以及符合安寧緩和醫療條例的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].start |
14718.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].end |
14723.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].text |
這些條件已經納入在健保的給付ACP |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].start |
14723.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].end |
14726.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].text |
所以我們現在的人數看起來已經有明顯的成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5552].end |
14728.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].text |
我們今年到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5553].end |
14731.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].text |
過去安寧簽的人數比較多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5554].end |
14734.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].text |
因為他不需要ACP的過程比較容易 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5555].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5555].text |
這個是比較不好簽的A-D |
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| transcript.whisperx[5556].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5556].text |
但是從今年的統計來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5557].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5557].text |
那麼已經有明顯拉近他的差距 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5558].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5558].text |
簽安寧的大概是4萬5千多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5559].end |
14748.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].text |
但是已經簽了A-D的是2萬6千多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].start |
14748.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].end |
14752.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].text |
跟過去的落差已經慢慢在追趕 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].start |
14752.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].end |
14755.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].text |
所以我們透過大家一計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].start |
14755.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].end |
14757.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].text |
您這邊提到的大家一計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5563].end |
14761.19 |
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就是大家一計畫裡面65歲以上多重慢性病的 |
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我們是有給付ACP |
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只是說醫師本身還是要去符合ACP機構的條件 |
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剛剛提到說他需要醫師要有相關專科 |
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然後要有護理人員還有心理社工人員這些 |
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這些有些診所可能比較 |
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不好完備這些人力 |
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所以如何讓他用資源的方式 |
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不見得都是要在一個診所裡面才能夠做 |
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這個我們剛剛您提到的這個辦法 |
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我們來研議來修 |
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那目前也在討論未來還可以放寬更多樣態的機構 |
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也可以來協助做ACP |
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這樣就會讓這個可進性更高 |
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這個第一個 |
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第二個執行面的部分 |
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當然這個慢慢慢慢我們也是從做中學 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].start |
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14822.62 |
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怎麼去啟動團隊要召會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].start |
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然後再來怎麼執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].start |
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這些我們也都會定期的再委託做一些推廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].start |
14829.62 |
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14833.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].text |
我們的這個病主中心也在做這些推廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].start |
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14836.62 |
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那我來看看是不是有需要再制定一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].start |
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像Handbook或者是指引之類的東西 |
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讓大家在執行上能夠更有一些這個參考的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].start |
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那就請部長來儘速提高這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5588].text |
資商服務的可進性 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].start |
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14854.62 |
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那如果費用的負擔能夠再做好的處理的話會更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].start |
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14857.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].text |
最後一點點的時間就是如何強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5591].end |
14861.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].text |
剛剛我們所提到的如何讓所有的人平安 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].start |
14861.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].end |
14865.62 |
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如何強化長照安寧政策的銜接 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].start |
14865.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5593].text |
那目前是不是有施署來整合相關的政策規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5594].end |
14872.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].text |
或者是明確的這些政策的指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5595].end |
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因為劉司長醫事師劉司長也很擔心說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].start |
14875.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].end |
14879.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].text |
在這個部分如果沒有整體的設計制度的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5597].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5597].text |
未來在執行上還是會有他的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5598].end |
14885.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].text |
那這部分部長有沒有一個基層 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5599].end |
14888.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].text |
或者是什麼時候可以給我們一個書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5600].end |
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好 當然這個主責單位還是在部裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5601].text |
由這個醫事師來主責 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5602].end |
14898.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].text |
不過這個涉及到這個安寧整個政策的推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5603].end |
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那也會擴足到長照 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5604].end |
14903.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].text |
我們現在也希望這些長照的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5605].end |
14907.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].text |
那麼也能夠有這個ACPAD的簽署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5606].end |
14910.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].text |
所以這個是目前長照3.0裡面在規劃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5607].end |
14913.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].text |
那健保的部分也有政策進來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5608].end |
14915.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].text |
剛剛我提到65歲以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5609].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5609].text |
都從慢性病或重大傷病者都可以簽 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5610].end |
14922.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].text |
除了安寧符合條件的之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5611].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5611].text |
那只是把這個可信性如何再擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5612].end |
14929.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].text |
這個是我們接下來會持續的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5613].end |
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好 謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].start |
14930.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].end |
14932.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].text |
好 謝謝王晨曦委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].start |
14932.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].end |
14935.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].text |
接下來請盧憲毅召委發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].start |
14945.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].end |
14947.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].text |
謝謝主席 有請司保長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5617].end |
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好 召委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5618].end |
14958.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].text |
部長好 今天要上台之前收到了幾個陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5619].end |
14962.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].text |
就是關於我們全聯會他們反對的一個立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5620].end |
14966.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].text |
那之前有收到說關於那個ACP的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5621].end |
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是不是有考慮到曾經有人提說要從醫療團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5622].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5622].text |
由非醫療團隊來做這樣的一個事情呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5623].end |
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應該是這麼講就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].start |
14977.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].end |
14982.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].text |
在這一次的這個病除法的修法過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5625].end |
14984.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].text |
那麼也有多位委員也提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].start |
14984.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].end |
14987.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].text |
那麼如何讓他的可近性更高 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].start |
14989.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].end |
14994.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].text |
安寧基本上安寧醫院的簽署是很多團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].start |
14994.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].end |
14997.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].text |
民間團體都有共同在參與推動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].start |
14997.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].end |
15002.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].text |
但是這個病除這個預立醫療決定的簽署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5630].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5630].text |
之前有一個ACP |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5631].end |
15008.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].text |
有這個一個預立醫療招呼諮商的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].start |
15008.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].end |
15009.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].text |
這個程序呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].start |
15009.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].end |
15012.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].text |
那麼一定是有醫療團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5634].end |
15015.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].text |
有醫師有護理人員或心理社工這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].start |
15015.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].end |
15020.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].text |
那這個能夠做這樣的這個條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].start |
15020.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].end |
15022.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].text |
符合這些條件的機構也有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].start |
15022.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].end |
15027.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].text |
所以這造成在這個AD簽署上的另外一個瓶頸 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].start |
15027.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].end |
15031.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].text |
所以在這一次修法當中確實也有委員期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].start |
15031.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].end |
15037.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].text |
希望讓能夠執行這個ACP的這個機構能夠更擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].start |
15037.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].end |
15042.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].text |
不過在這個不論未來我們怎麼樣的擴大呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5641].end |
15046.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].text |
那麼有關於醫療的諮詢大概是免不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5642].end |
15050.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].text |
因為這裡面牽涉到有一些醫療處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].start |
15050.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].end |
15054.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].text |
什麼是這個微生設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].start |
15054.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].end |
15057.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].text |
哪些是所謂的灌食 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5645].end |
15062.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].text |
那麼這一些我想它還是會有一些這個需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].start |
15062.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].end |
15064.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].text |
醫療諮詢的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].start |
15064.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].end |
15067.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].text |
那只是說未來如何讓這個以團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].start |
15067.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].end |
15070.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].text |
然後更深入社區 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].start |
15070.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].end |
15075.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].text |
那麼讓民眾有需要這個簽署的可侵性可以提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].start |
15075.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].end |
15077.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].text |
這個是我們未來會來持續討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].start |
15077.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].end |
15079.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].text |
因為去年有這樣的表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].start |
15079.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].end |
15080.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].text |
所以我想說是要讓部長知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].start |
15080.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].end |
15084.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].text |
他們不太希望是交由非醫療團隊來執行所謂的ACP |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].start |
15084.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].end |
15087.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].text |
對於就是他們對今天要討論這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5655].end |
15089.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].text |
他們也持反對的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].start |
15089.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].end |
15092.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].text |
大概幾個訴求大概也了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].start |
15092.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].end |
15094.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].text |
當然對於我想死這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5658].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5658].text |
國家如何來判斷這是一個真正的自由的決定嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5659].end |
15100.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].text |
這個被在乎不足家庭壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5660].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5660].text |
會因為他的環境逼出來一個選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5661].end |
15106.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].text |
我覺得這是我們政府要去討論的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5662].end |
15107.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].text |
所以第一個我就是想問說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5663].end |
15109.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].text |
法案已經經過我們國會審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].start |
15109.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].end |
15111.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].text |
衛福部是否應該已經有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].start |
15111.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].end |
15114.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].text |
應該有的政策準備跟影響評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].start |
15114.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].end |
15116.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].text |
有這方面的評估了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].start |
15116.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].end |
15120.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].text |
當然這一次的是沒有行政院版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].start |
15120.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].end |
15123.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].text |
因為我們認為還是很多的點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].start |
15123.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].end |
15126.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].text |
需要再進一步的討論釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].start |
15126.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].end |
15130.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].text |
才能夠提出是不是要立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].start |
15130.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].end |
15132.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].text |
或者是立法的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].start |
15132.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].end |
15136.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].text |
當然針對這個委員所提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].start |
15136.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].end |
15140.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].text |
或者是黨團所提出的這個法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].start |
15140.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].end |
15141.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].text |
那麼我們也認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].start |
15141.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].end |
15144.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].text |
這裡面還是有一些需要釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].start |
15144.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].end |
15146.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].text |
把它定位好的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].start |
15146.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].end |
15149.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].text |
這個要跟部長討論就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].start |
15149.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].end |
15152.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].text |
其實他的以後要講的評估範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].start |
15152.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].end |
15154.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].text |
就是適用對象痛苦的判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].start |
15154.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].end |
15157.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].text |
意識能力 預立決定 代理制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].start |
15157.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].end |
15159.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].text |
醫師的權利義務更新 市民事責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].start |
15159.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].end |
15161.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].text |
保險的效果 死亡證明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].start |
15161.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].end |
15163.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].text |
司法下驗這些藥品管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].start |
15163.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].end |
15166.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].text |
我覺得這些都是很多要討論的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].start |
15166.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].end |
15168.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].text |
所以我在想說在討論這個之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].start |
15168.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].end |
15171.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].text |
我覺得政府有沒有提供足夠的照護的選項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].start |
15171.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].end |
15174.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].text |
是不是應該要去充分的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].start |
15174.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].end |
15175.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].text |
因為我們常常覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].start |
15175.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].end |
15177.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].text |
我們在提醒政府說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].start |
15177.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].end |
15178.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].text |
面對這些重度失能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].start |
15178.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].end |
15180.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].text |
一個人的生命意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].start |
15180.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].end |
15182.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].text |
有沒有被照顧 被陪伴 被支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].start |
15182.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].end |
15184.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].text |
產生不同的變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].start |
15184.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].end |
15186.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].text |
所以我在 我要問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].start |
15186.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].end |
15189.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].text |
如果病人的生命終結意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].start |
15189.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].end |
15192.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].text |
主要是來自孤立 經濟困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].start |
15192.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].end |
15193.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].text |
照顧的資源不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].start |
15193.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].end |
15194.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].text |
家庭的衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].start |
15194.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].end |
15196.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].text |
或擔心成了家人的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].start |
15196.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].end |
15198.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].text |
我覺得我們要怎麼來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].start |
15198.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].end |
15200.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].text |
來介入照護的警訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].start |
15200.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].end |
15202.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].text |
是不是比較重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].start |
15202.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].end |
15205.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].text |
對 我覺得剛委員有秀到您的下一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].start |
15205.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].end |
15207.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].text |
我覺得那個下的標題非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].start |
15209.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].end |
15211.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].text |
要真正的自主而不是無奈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].start |
15211.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].end |
15214.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].text |
所以這個就是在各國在推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].start |
15214.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].end |
15216.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].text |
這個安樂石討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].start |
15216.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].end |
15219.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].text |
都會討論到的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].start |
15219.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].end |
15224.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].text |
到底這個是真正他的自主的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].start |
15224.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].end |
15227.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].text |
還是其實是還有一些社會上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].start |
15227.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].end |
15230.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].text |
或者是醫療上可以協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].start |
15230.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].end |
15232.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].text |
或者是在經濟社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].start |
15232.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].end |
15235.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].text |
那麼家庭支持等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].start |
15235.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].end |
15238.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].text |
各方面那麼為盡完善 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].start |
15238.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].end |
15240.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].text |
所以這個我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].start |
15240.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].end |
15244.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].text |
這個痛苦無可忍受 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].start |
15245.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].end |
15247.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].text |
這個如何去劃定這一條界線 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].start |
15247.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].end |
15249.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].text |
確實是有它的難度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].start |
15249.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].end |
15250.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].text |
剛才聽到部長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].start |
15250.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].end |
15251.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].text |
就是大概有兩萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].start |
15251.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].end |
15253.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].text |
或者是四萬的分別在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].start |
15253.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].end |
15255.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].text |
病人自主權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].start |
15255.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].end |
15259.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].text |
或者是AID或是ACP這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].start |
15259.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].end |
15260.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].text |
那我想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].start |
15260.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].end |
15262.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].text |
我們想要知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].start |
15262.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].end |
15265.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].text |
其實這個困難點是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].start |
15265.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].end |
15266.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].text |
還有可近性 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].start |
15266.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].end |
15268.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].text |
其實我們常常在看這個的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].start |
15268.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].end |
15271.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].text |
我們沒有辦法看到說所得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].start |
15271.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].end |
15273.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].text |
有沒有一所得一地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].start |
15273.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].end |
15274.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].text |
或者是疾病分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].start |
15274.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].end |
15275.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].text |
獨居的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].start |
15275.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].end |
15276.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].text |
身心障礙 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].start |
15276.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].end |
15277.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].text |
或是原住民的身分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].start |
15277.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].end |
15279.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].text |
來取得這個不同的ACP |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].start |
15279.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].end |
15282.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].text |
跟AID這個安寧服務的差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].start |
15282.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].end |
15283.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].text |
我覺得這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].start |
15283.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].end |
15284.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].text |
是不是我們政府部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].start |
15284.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].end |
15286.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].text |
應該先去了解這方面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].start |
15286.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].end |
15288.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].text |
一個所謂的趨勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].start |
15288.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].end |
15289.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].text |
或者是分布 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].start |
15289.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].end |
15291.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].start |
15291.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].end |
15294.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].text |
我們剛剛所講的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].start |
15294.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].end |
15296.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].text |
四萬五跟兩萬六是指 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].start |
15296.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].end |
15297.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].text |
今年新簽署的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].start |
15297.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].end |
15299.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].text |
事實上累積到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].start |
15299.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].end |
15302.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].text |
簽署這個安寧緩和醫療的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].start |
15302.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].end |
15304.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].text |
大概是一百多萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].start |
15304.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].end |
15307.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].text |
一百五十五萬人超過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].start |
15307.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].end |
15309.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].text |
那至於說這個AID的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].start |
15309.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].end |
15311.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].text |
累積到現在有簽署的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].start |
15311.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].end |
15314.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].text |
大概也十五萬五千人超過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].start |
15314.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].end |
15315.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].text |
所以這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].start |
15315.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].end |
15318.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].text |
逐步逐步的在增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].start |
15318.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].end |
15319.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].text |
那因為這兩邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].start |
15319.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].end |
15322.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].text |
這個不一樣的地方是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].start |
15322.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].end |
15327.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].text |
我們現在這個安寧醫院的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].start |
15327.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].end |
15330.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].text |
在線上也可以簽署了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].start |
15330.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].end |
15332.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].text |
我們也有提供一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].start |
15332.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].end |
15334.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].text |
線上的一些資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].start |
15334.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].end |
15336.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].text |
然後理解之後就可以簽署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].start |
15336.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].end |
15338.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].text |
但是ACP的範圍又更大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].start |
15338.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].end |
15340.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].text |
更往前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].start |
15340.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].end |
15344.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].text |
所以它需要有一個ACP的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].start |
15344.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].end |
15346.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].text |
那我想那個是一個瓶頸 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].start |
15346.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].end |
15348.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].text |
這兩個一比較就可以知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].start |
15348.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].end |
15351.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].text |
但是也因為它的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].start |
15353.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].end |
15355.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].text |
更前進 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].start |
15355.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].end |
15359.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].text |
所以它當然需要一個更嚴謹的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].start |
15359.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].end |
15362.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].text |
那我們現在也在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].start |
15362.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].end |
15363.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].text |
除了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].start |
15364.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].end |
15365.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].text |
經濟的條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].start |
15366.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].end |
15367.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].text |
把它打破了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].start |
15367.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].end |
15369.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].text |
我們已經健保也開始給付了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].start |
15369.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].end |
15372.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].text |
過去完全都是自費 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].start |
15372.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].end |
15375.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].text |
那現在也開始針對部分的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].start |
15375.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].end |
15377.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].text |
健保也有給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].start |
15377.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].end |
15378.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].text |
那現在再來下一步就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].start |
15378.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].end |
15381.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].text |
怎麼把量能ACP的量能擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].start |
15381.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].end |
15383.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].text |
可能這是我們下一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].start |
15383.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].end |
15384.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].text |
要來處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].start |
15384.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].end |
15387.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].text |
所以我想說是不是應該去調查那個原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].start |
15387.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].end |
15389.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].text |
就是沒有參與這個預定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].start |
15389.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].end |
15390.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].text |
醫療決定的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].start |
15390.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].end |
15392.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].text |
比如說是不是資訊不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].start |
15392.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].end |
15394.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].text |
還是剛剛你講的費用不負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].start |
15394.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].end |
15396.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].text |
增生的時間是不是太長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].start |
15396.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].end |
15397.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].text |
院所的距離 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].start |
15397.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].end |
15399.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].text |
家屬參與的困難度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].start |
15399.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].end |
15402.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].text |
還是所在地根本就沒有這樣那個服務量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].start |
15402.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].end |
15404.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].text |
我覺得這個部分還是要去做統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].start |
15404.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].end |
15407.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].text |
最後就是面對這樣的一個法案的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].start |
15407.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].end |
15411.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].text |
是不是政府應該來建立分階段可落實的一個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].start |
15411.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].end |
15412.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].text |
不是一步到位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].start |
15412.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].end |
15416.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].text |
比如說以後是不是法院需要介入比較困難的一個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].start |
15416.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].end |
15419.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].text |
或者是說要去研議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].start |
15419.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].end |
15421.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].text |
是不是將不同的制度分層比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].start |
15421.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].end |
15423.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].text |
來看看哪些是適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].start |
15423.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].end |
15425.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].text |
程序保障跟他的法律效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].start |
15425.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].end |
15430.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].text |
我覺得這些部分可能都應該是分階段來實施的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].start |
15430.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].end |
15433.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].text |
好 跟委員說明確實這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].start |
15433.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].end |
15438.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].text |
這個簽署AD會不會有地域還有這個落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].start |
15438.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].end |
15440.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].text |
不平等的這些落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].start |
15440.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].end |
15443.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].text |
那因為過去都是比較自願性自費的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].start |
15443.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].end |
15445.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].text |
我們比較沒有這個資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].start |
15445.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].end |
15448.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].text |
但是因為我們從去年開始納入健保給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].start |
15448.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].end |
15450.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].text |
那這個就有資料了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].start |
15450.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].end |
15453.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].text |
所以我會請健保來分析一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].start |
15453.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].end |
15457.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].text |
那麼過去所簽署的這些AD的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].start |
15457.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].end |
15460.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].text |
有沒有地域落差或者是年齡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].start |
15460.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].end |
15464.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].text |
什麼什麼做進一步的一些分析之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].start |
15464.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].end |
15468.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].text |
來調整這個後續推動的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].start |
15468.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].end |
15471.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].text |
講到現在從我們的研談當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].start |
15471.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].end |
15475.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].text |
應該就可以隱約的知道我們是支持這個法案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].start |
15475.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].end |
15478.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].text |
當然就醫生的一個角色的立場來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].start |
15478.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].end |
15480.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].text |
可是我們面對這樣一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].start |
15480.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].end |
15483.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].text |
比如說他有一個刑事責任、醫療責任、保險的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].start |
15483.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].end |
15487.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].text |
實行證明、司法相驗、藥品管理、病歷、資料治理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].start |
15487.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].end |
15490.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].text |
這些種種的這些項目要去考量的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].start |
15490.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].end |
15495.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].text |
我會覺得這是真的是要脫銅法務部、金管會、內政部相關機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].start |
15495.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].end |
15497.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].text |
做一個跨部會的評估的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].start |
15497.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].end |
15500.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].text |
不然把重彈如果只有在衛福部的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].start |
15500.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].end |
15502.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].text |
我就覺得你們太辛苦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].start |
15502.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].end |
15504.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].text |
謝謝 謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].start |
15504.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].end |
15507.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].text |
我們就把這件事情來分階段準備完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].start |
15507.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].end |
15508.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].start |
15508.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].end |
15509.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].text |
謝謝 委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].start |
15509.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].end |
15511.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].text |
好 謝謝盧縣議長發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].start |
15511.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].end |
15513.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].text |
接下來請陳昭之委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].start |
15518.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].end |
15523.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].text |
謝謝主席特別允許在休息預定休息時間前允許我加號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].start |
15523.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].end |
15525.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].text |
謝謝 那有請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].start |
15525.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].end |
15526.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].text |
有請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].start |
15528.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].end |
15529.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].text |
好 部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].start |
15529.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].end |
15531.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].text |
部長好 希望您沒有答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].start |
15531.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].end |
15533.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].text |
我一直在 謝謝部長關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].start |
15533.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].end |
15536.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].text |
您知道我一直在醫院工作40年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].start |
15536.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].end |
15538.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].text |
然後有30年時間是在癌症醫院工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].start |
15538.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].end |
15540.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].text |
那我想我非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].start |
15540.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].end |
15543.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].text |
您我都非常清楚醫學的能跟不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].start |
15543.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].end |
15546.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].text |
醫學有其極限它不是萬能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].start |
15546.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].end |
15548.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].text |
但是當一位當事人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].start |
15548.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].end |
15551.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].text |
他明知道自己的疾病是無解無救 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].start |
15551.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].end |
15553.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].text |
而且一定會繼續惡化 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].start |
15553.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].end |
15556.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].text |
那這個時候他也會希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].start |
15556.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].end |
15558.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].text |
在他有限的時間當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].start |
15558.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].end |
15560.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].text |
他能夠趁他還清醒的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].start |
15560.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].end |
15562.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].text |
為自己做一些安排跟決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].start |
15562.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].end |
15564.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].text |
而不是讓自己承受更多痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].start |
15564.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].end |
15565.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].text |
而且很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].start |
15565.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].end |
15570.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].text |
讓家屬也在經歷無比沉重的一個不捨 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].start |
15570.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].end |
15571.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].text |
那前陣子柯P |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].start |
15571.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].end |
15573.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].text |
我知道剛剛邱委員提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].start |
15573.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].end |
15574.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].text |
跟一位這個罹患 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].start |
15574.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].end |
15575.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].text |
他的遺傳性 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].start |
15575.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].end |
15578.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].text |
曾經退化性的喊病病人對談 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].start |
15578.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].end |
15581.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].text |
那當事人決定在48歲的時候執行安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].start |
15581.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].end |
15583.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].text |
部長你現在看到這位男士 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].start |
15583.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].end |
15585.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].text |
他已經離開事件了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].start |
15585.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].end |
15587.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].text |
他姊姊也取到相同的資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].start |
15587.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].end |
15588.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].text |
但是他非常偉大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].start |
15588.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].end |
15590.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].text |
他決定來善後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].start |
15590.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].end |
15592.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].text |
那為什麼48歲要決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].start |
15592.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].end |
15593.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].text |
就是做安樂死呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].start |
15593.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].end |
15596.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].text |
因為他親眼照顧他的媽媽 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].start |
15596.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].end |
15599.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].text |
他知道他將來會變成什麼樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].start |
15599.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].end |
15601.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].text |
他完全去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].start |
15601.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].end |
15602.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].text |
所以就是希望他能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].start |
15602.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].end |
15603.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].text |
做一些自主的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].start |
15603.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].end |
15604.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].text |
在這個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].start |
15604.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].end |
15607.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].text |
那這位當事人我想跟部長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].start |
15607.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].end |
15609.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].text |
他完成了學業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].start |
15609.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].end |
15610.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].text |
他照顧了家人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].start |
15610.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].end |
15612.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].text |
他結交了朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].start |
15612.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].end |
15614.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].text |
而且他有朋友陪他到瑞士 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].start |
15614.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].end |
15615.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].text |
去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].start |
15615.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].end |
15618.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].text |
可見他並不是一個輕視生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].start |
15618.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].end |
15620.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].text |
或隨意去放棄生命的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].start |
15620.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].end |
15622.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].text |
反而倒是說他有掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].start |
15622.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].end |
15624.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].text |
自己生命的價值跟這個意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].start |
15624.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].end |
15626.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].text |
他不是長短的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].start |
15626.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].end |
15628.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].text |
而是說他希望能夠活出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].start |
15628.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].end |
15630.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].text |
他最卑微的一個期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].start |
15630.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].end |
15634.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].text |
那這個我想再跟部長分享一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].start |
15634.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].end |
15636.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].text |
這個當然目前的民調顯示 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].start |
15636.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].end |
15638.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].text |
我相信很多人都提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].start |
15638.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].end |
15640.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].text |
台灣大概75%以上是支持的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].start |
15641.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].end |
15644.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].text |
那台灣尊嚴善忠諮詢服務協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].start |
15644.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].end |
15646.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].text |
他們成立八年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].start |
15646.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].end |
15648.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].text |
有五千多人前來諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].start |
15648.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].end |
15650.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].text |
有一百多人已經取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].start |
15650.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].end |
15653.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].text |
瑞士的安樂死的資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].start |
15653.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].end |
15655.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].text |
那其中還有一半的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].start |
15655.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].end |
15656.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].text |
他已經執行了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].start |
15656.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].end |
15658.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].text |
換句話說他們已經離開人世了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].start |
15658.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].end |
15659.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].text |
那部長你想想看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].start |
15659.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].end |
15660.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].text |
如果還有選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].start |
15660.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].end |
15662.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].text |
誰願意離開自己的家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].start |
15663.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].end |
15664.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].text |
誰願意離開自己的親人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].start |
15664.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].end |
15666.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].text |
到那麼遠的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].start |
15668.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].end |
15670.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].text |
所以最後只會讓相對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].start |
15670.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].end |
15672.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].text |
其實可能會繞得跟單元一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].start |
15672.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].end |
15673.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].text |
有資源的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].start |
15673.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].end |
15675.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].text |
因為這個是一筆一大筆費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].start |
15675.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].end |
15677.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].text |
也不能全部人隨行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].start |
15677.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].end |
15680.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].text |
才有辦法帶海外來執行這個善忠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].start |
15680.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].end |
15681.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].text |
但是在台灣就苦苦的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].start |
15681.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].end |
15683.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].text |
等待痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].start |
15683.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].end |
15685.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].text |
剛剛王振旭委員談到這個疼痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].start |
15685.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].end |
15688.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].text |
其實我覺得一個是病痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].start |
15688.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].end |
15690.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].text |
一個叫痛苦叫suffer |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].start |
15690.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].end |
15691.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].text |
有病痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].start |
15691.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].end |
15693.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].text |
但是還有心理的受傷 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].start |
15693.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].end |
15695.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].text |
但我也不斷地用這兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].start |
15695.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].end |
15696.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].text |
安寧緩和條 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].start |
15696.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].end |
15697.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].text |
跟病人自治條 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].start |
15697.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].end |
15699.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].text |
說這個可以來符合期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].start |
15699.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].end |
15700.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].text |
就現階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].start |
15700.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].end |
15701.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].text |
我知道剛剛之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].start |
15701.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].end |
15703.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].text |
我都有聽到您的回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].start |
15703.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].end |
15704.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].text |
但是我要講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].start |
15704.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].end |
15705.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].text |
我們也都清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].start |
15705.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].end |
15707.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].text |
有很多並不適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].start |
15707.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].end |
15710.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].text |
他並沒有完全含刮每個人的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].start |
15710.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].end |
15712.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].text |
所以以剛剛我提到這位男士 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].start |
15712.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].end |
15714.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].text |
這個48歲的男士 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].start |
15714.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].end |
15715.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].text |
柯P跟他對談的男士 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].start |
15715.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].end |
15717.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].text |
你知道他並不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].start |
15717.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].end |
15718.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].text |
因為他意識非常的清醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].start |
15718.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].end |
15721.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].text |
他連這前面兩條都不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].start |
15721.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].end |
15723.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].text |
所以你想他要經歷過多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].start |
15723.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].end |
15725.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].text |
大小便失禁的夜晚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].start |
15725.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].end |
15728.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].text |
他還要爬在地上爬行多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].start |
15729.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].end |
15730.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].text |
他還要眼睜睜看著自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].start |
15730.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].end |
15732.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].text |
病情惡化多長的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].start |
15732.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].end |
15734.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].text |
他才能夠符合前兩項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].start |
15734.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].end |
15736.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].text |
部長在之前的會議上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].start |
15736.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].end |
15737.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].text |
您開口 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].start |
15737.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].end |
15738.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].text |
您今天有稍微改口了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].start |
15738.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].end |
15739.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].text |
一開始就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].start |
15739.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].end |
15740.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].text |
Andros有很大的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].start |
15740.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].end |
15741.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].text |
其實您對單元也是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].start |
15741.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].end |
15743.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].text |
這個單元有很大爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].start |
15743.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].end |
15744.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].text |
所以您那時候拒絕討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].start |
15744.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].end |
15746.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].text |
那我今天聽到您 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].start |
15746.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].end |
15747.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].text |
有開始做一些修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].start |
15747.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].end |
15749.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].text |
那部長我要提醒你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].start |
15749.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].end |
15750.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].text |
不要輕易地談 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].start |
15750.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].end |
15752.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].text |
天下室這個很有爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].start |
15752.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].end |
15755.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].text |
請問天下室哪一件事沒有爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].start |
15755.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].end |
15757.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].text |
請允許我這樣說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].start |
15757.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].end |
15759.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].text |
你現在在您的位置上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].start |
15759.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].end |
15761.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].text |
也很有爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].start |
15761.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].end |
15763.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].text |
您知道我談的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].start |
15763.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].end |
15764.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].text |
那您常常用這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].start |
15764.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].end |
15766.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].text |
我們會提高篩檢的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].start |
15766.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].end |
15769.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].text |
我們會加速含病含藥的給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].start |
15769.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].end |
15770.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].text |
我們要完善長照體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].start |
15770.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].end |
15773.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].text |
對他們來說都是非常的刺耳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].start |
15773.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].end |
15774.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].text |
就是非常的痛心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].start |
15774.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].end |
15775.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].text |
因為這個對他們都毫無幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].start |
15775.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].end |
15778.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].text |
也不能減輕他們的疼痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].start |
15778.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].end |
15779.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5962].text |
所以我現在請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].start |
15779.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].end |
15781.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5963].text |
我要請問這個部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].start |
15781.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].end |
15782.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5964].text |
這個說法有點像次長罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].start |
15782.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].end |
15783.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5965].text |
林次長罪在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].start |
15783.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].end |
15785.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5966].text |
叫做站著講話要不疼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].start |
15785.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].end |
15786.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5967].text |
部長就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].start |
15786.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].end |
15788.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5968].text |
您到底要臨時這群病人多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].start |
15788.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].end |
15789.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5969].text |
就像我問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].start |
15789.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].end |
15791.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5970].text |
你要臨時沒有子宮的病人多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].start |
15791.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].end |
15793.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5971].text |
還要30年嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].start |
15793.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].end |
15795.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5972].text |
老實說我對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].start |
15795.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].end |
15797.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].text |
我們是20幾年的好朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].start |
15797.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].end |
15798.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5974].text |
我必須告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].start |
15798.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].end |
15799.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5975].text |
您這個說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].start |
15799.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].end |
15800.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5976].text |
您這樣的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].start |
15800.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].end |
15802.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5977].text |
你不讓人家生 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].start |
15802.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].end |
15803.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5978].text |
也不讓人家死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].start |
15803.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].end |
15807.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].text |
我覺得是很冷酷無情到極致 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].start |
15807.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].end |
15808.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].text |
我希望您回家後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].start |
15808.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].end |
15809.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].text |
能夠思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].start |
15809.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].end |
15810.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5982].text |
我今天跟你講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].start |
15810.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].end |
15812.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].text |
我們是幾十年的好朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].start |
15812.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].end |
15813.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].text |
你回家想 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].start |
15813.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].end |
15814.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].text |
真的你要讓這些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].start |
15814.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].end |
15817.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].text |
讓有一些人想生也不能生 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].start |
15817.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].end |
15819.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].text |
想死也不能死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].start |
15819.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].end |
15820.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].text |
那部長不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].start |
15820.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].end |
15821.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].text |
我再修正您剛剛的一段 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].start |
15821.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].end |
15823.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].text |
您剛剛有提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].start |
15823.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].end |
15824.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].text |
跟對別人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].start |
15824.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].end |
15826.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].text |
說難以忍受痛苦很難定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].start |
15826.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].end |
15827.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].text |
部長您錯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].start |
15827.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].end |
15828.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].text |
您還記得痛怎麼定義嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].start |
15828.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].end |
15830.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].text |
當病人說痛他就是痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].start |
15830.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].end |
15832.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].text |
沒有人可以否認這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].start |
15832.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].end |
15834.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].text |
好吧請部長回去再思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].start |
15834.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].end |
15836.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].text |
謝謝部長謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].start |
15836.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].end |
15838.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].text |
謝謝陳昭之委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].start |
15838.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].end |
15840.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].text |
現在休息30分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].start |
15856.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].end |
15858.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].start |
15862.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].end |
15863.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].text |
我們下山就回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].start |
15864.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].end |
15865.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].text |
休息30分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].start |
18251.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].end |
18252.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].text |
我們現在繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].start |
18252.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].end |
18254.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].text |
現在我們請民宿賓務委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].start |
18257.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].end |
18258.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].text |
會議結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].start |
18264.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].end |
18266.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].start |
18266.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].end |
18267.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].text |
有請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].start |
18267.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].end |
18268.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].text |
有請石部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].start |
18273.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].end |
18274.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].text |
劉委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].start |
18274.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].end |
18276.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].text |
好部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].start |
18276.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].end |
18280.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].text |
那請問部長對於前體育的知名主播 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].start |
18280.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].end |
18283.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].text |
傅達仁他在2018年遠赴瑞士 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].start |
18283.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].end |
18284.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].text |
去進行安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].start |
18284.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].end |
18285.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].text |
有什麼樣的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].start |
18285.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].end |
18287.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].text |
我想每一個個案的背後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].start |
18287.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].end |
18291.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].text |
都是有值得我們大家很深刻的故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].start |
18291.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].end |
18295.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].text |
所以對於這個傅先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].start |
18295.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].end |
18298.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].text |
最後的這個傅瑞士的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].start |
18298.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].end |
18299.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].start |
18299.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].end |
18302.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].text |
他的想法是想要出安樂死合法化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].start |
18302.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].end |
18304.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].text |
我們真的是想 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].start |
18304.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].end |
18307.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].text |
到底還有沒有其他的方法可以幫忙他 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].start |
18307.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].end |
18309.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].text |
好那您有在想就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].start |
18309.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].end |
18310.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].text |
部長也在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].start |
18310.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].end |
18311.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].text |
那我們再繼續往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].start |
18311.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].end |
18315.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].text |
就是請問您對於說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].start |
18315.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].end |
18317.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].text |
台灣民眾黨他之前提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].start |
18317.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].end |
18320.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].text |
尊嚴善忠安樂死法制化的公投 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].start |
18320.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].end |
18323.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].text |
那這個案子也送到立法院再做審議了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].start |
18323.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].end |
18326.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].text |
那你初聽到這樣的一個公投案的提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].start |
18326.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].end |
18328.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].text |
您第一時間的看法是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].start |
18329.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].end |
18331.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].text |
我認為這個議題這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].start |
18331.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].end |
18334.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].text |
涉及到生命 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].start |
18334.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].end |
18338.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].text |
所以我們在這個對於這種生命的尊重的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].start |
18338.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].end |
18341.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].text |
那麼應該要更廣泛深度的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].start |
18341.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].end |
18344.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].text |
像我們今天在立法院有多位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].start |
18344.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].end |
18347.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].text |
也都指出了非常深刻的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].start |
18347.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].end |
18351.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].text |
那麼這裡面不只是醫療專業的單獨的判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].start |
18351.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].end |
18353.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].text |
還包含了社會的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].start |
18353.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].end |
18355.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].text |
家庭弱勢等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].start |
18355.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].end |
18358.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].text |
跟這個價值觀 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].start |
18358.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].end |
18360.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].text |
所以這個影響層面是很大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].start |
18360.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].end |
18364.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].text |
所以我才會希望大家審思 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].start |
18364.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].end |
18366.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].text |
我們可以來開放多一點討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].start |
18366.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].end |
18370.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].text |
那但是直接以公投的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].start |
18370.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].end |
18373.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].text |
那可能會過於太簡略了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].start |
18373.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].end |
18376.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].text |
你這樣講我們現在這不是01的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].start |
18376.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].end |
18377.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].text |
所以對沒錯沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].start |
18377.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].end |
18379.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].text |
不會以公投有相關的法制程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].start |
18379.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].end |
18380.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].text |
我們先看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].start |
18380.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].end |
18382.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].text |
已經8年過去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].start |
18382.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].end |
18386.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].text |
到現在為止像包括剛才部長您所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].start |
18386.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].end |
18389.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].text |
台灣並未朝向安樂死合法化的方向在研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].start |
18389.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].end |
18390.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].start |
18390.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].end |
18392.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].text |
那就是說到現在你今天回答之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].start |
18392.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].end |
18394.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].text |
那重點就檢視 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].start |
18394.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].end |
18396.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].text |
重點現在把它放在安寧緩和醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].start |
18396.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].end |
18398.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].text |
病人自主跟長照照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].start |
18398.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].end |
18400.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].text |
長照制度是否有人有不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].start |
18400.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].end |
18404.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].text |
並評估說相關法制是不是能夠跟政策銜接 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].start |
18404.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].end |
18406.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].text |
是否更完善對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].start |
18406.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].end |
18407.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].text |
這是過去的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].start |
18409.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].end |
18414.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].text |
我想不論是貴黨所提出的安樂死法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].start |
18414.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].end |
18418.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].text |
或者是目前法律上所許可的安寧緩和 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].start |
18418.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].end |
18421.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].text |
或病除法其實目標是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].start |
18421.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].end |
18424.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].text |
都是希望讓尊嚴善終 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].start |
18424.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].end |
18427.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].text |
而這個社會是會不斷的進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].start |
18427.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].end |
18430.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].text |
像我們這個安寧緩和條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].start |
18430.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].end |
18432.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].text |
也是在2000年才通過立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].start |
18432.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].end |
18434.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].text |
在2000年之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].start |
18434.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].end |
18437.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].text |
八年也是經過很長一段時間的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].start |
18437.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].end |
18439.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].text |
我知道你的答案都是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].start |
18439.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].end |
18442.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].text |
就是應該就繼續的把制度上面把它精進 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].start |
18444.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].end |
18446.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].text |
但是從2018年到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].start |
18446.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].end |
18449.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].text |
基本上沒有特別對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].start |
18450.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].end |
18451.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].text |
這兩個三個法案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].start |
18451.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].end |
18454.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].text |
就是這兩個最重要是安寧緩和跟病人自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].start |
18454.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].end |
18455.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].text |
有比較做改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].start |
18455.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].end |
18456.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].text |
當然是對那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].start |
18458.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].end |
18459.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].text |
有加強嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].start |
18459.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].end |
18462.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].text |
但是呢現在看法還是繼續在研議的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].start |
18462.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].end |
18464.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].text |
就會有出現到一個很大的問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].start |
18464.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].end |
18465.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].text |
沒有辦法現實的沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].start |
18465.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].end |
18467.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].text |
就是沒有辦法八年過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].start |
18467.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].end |
18468.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].text |
也沒辦法出現出現的問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].start |
18468.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].end |
18470.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].text |
跟委員說明其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].start |
18470.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].end |
18474.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].text |
這個2000年是以這個安寧條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].start |
18474.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].end |
18476.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].text |
那麼安寧緩和條例呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].start |
18476.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].end |
18478.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].text |
它是針對生命末期 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].start |
18478.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].end |
18481.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].text |
那但是到了病除法我們又往前一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].start |
18481.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].end |
18484.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].text |
這裡面包含不可逆的昏迷 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].start |
18484.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].end |
18486.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].text |
包含植物人的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].start |
18486.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].end |
18487.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].text |
包含嚴重的失智 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].start |
18487.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].end |
18490.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].text |
我們都已經納入適用的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].start |
18490.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].end |
18493.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].text |
其實經過從2000年到2018年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].start |
18493.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].end |
18497.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].text |
這中間又有了一些討論之後才又往前了一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].start |
18497.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].end |
18500.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].text |
對但是2018年部長您的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].start |
18500.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].end |
18504.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].text |
是在2018年到2026年的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].start |
18504.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].end |
18507.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].text |
我剛才已經說你最重要是放在自主的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].start |
18507.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].end |
18509.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].text |
醫主的這邊預立 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].start |
18509.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].end |
18512.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].text |
醫主這部分有多了這個資訊等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].start |
18512.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].end |
18514.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].text |
可是現在就是說2018年到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].start |
18514.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].end |
18515.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].text |
沒有太多的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].start |
18515.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].end |
18517.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].text |
我現在重點是要跟大家講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].start |
18517.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].end |
18521.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].text |
我們本身我想問的是部長您知不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].start |
18521.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].end |
18523.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].text |
如果是這樣子的一個做法的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].start |
18523.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].end |
18527.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].text |
對於非常多的罹患不可治癒疾病 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].start |
18527.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].end |
18531.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].text |
且長期去承受難以緩解的這個身心痛苦的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].start |
18531.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].end |
18533.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].text |
他是沒有尊嚴在那活著 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].start |
18533.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].end |
18536.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].text |
那很多人他是生不如死 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].start |
18536.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].end |
18537.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].text |
這樣的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].start |
18537.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].end |
18539.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].text |
您其實是剝奪他的生命自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].start |
18539.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].end |
18542.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].text |
跟選擇善終的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].start |
18542.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].end |
18544.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].text |
那我這邊要跟部長詢問的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].start |
18544.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].end |
18548.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].text |
請問您知道說如果一個公投的這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].start |
18548.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].end |
18551.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].text |
如果現在民眾黨的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].start |
18551.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].end |
18554.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].text |
現在他提出來8月份預計 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].start |
18554.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].end |
18556.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].text |
那如果順利通過的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].start |
18556.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].end |
18558.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].text |
中選會會在8月做審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].start |
18558.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].end |
18560.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].text |
那如果順利的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].start |
18560.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].end |
18562.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].text |
預定是排定到11月份的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].start |
18562.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].end |
18564.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].text |
要做公投的這個投票 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].start |
18564.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].end |
18566.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].text |
那您知道他會有經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].start |
18566.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].end |
18569.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].text |
在真正的11月在做投票的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].start |
18569.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].end |
18571.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].text |
之前會經過哪些程序嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].start |
18573.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].end |
18574.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].text |
大概了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].start |
18574.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].end |
18576.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].text |
但是這個時間太短了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].start |
18576.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].end |
18577.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].text |
太短了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].start |
18577.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].end |
18578.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].text |
這個只是表示意願而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].start |
18578.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].end |
18580.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].text |
部長這只是表示意願而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].start |
18580.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].end |
18581.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].text |
我就要跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].start |
18581.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].end |
18583.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].text |
你跟他說之前都沒有溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].start |
18583.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].end |
18585.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].text |
我現在就跟你講這個法律程序是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].start |
18585.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].end |
18587.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].text |
第一個最重要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].start |
18587.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].end |
18591.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].text |
他至少要舉辦五場的電視發表會跟辯論會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].start |
18591.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].end |
18595.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].text |
那當然正反的辦事處都會呈現宣傳等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].start |
18595.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].end |
18598.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].text |
那如果這邊如果表示意見在這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].start |
18598.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].end |
18599.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].text |
但是因為是長期有出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].start |
18599.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].end |
18601.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].text |
那我們繼續往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].start |
18601.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].end |
18602.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].text |
這公投程序之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].start |
18602.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].end |
18605.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].text |
如果安樂死的一個公投把他 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].start |
18605.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].end |
18607.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].text |
這個公投的法制 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].start |
18607.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].end |
18609.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].text |
安樂死的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].start |
18610.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].end |
18612.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].text |
法制化公投如果通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].start |
18612.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].end |
18613.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].text |
因為我們現在知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].start |
18613.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].end |
18615.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].text |
至少看到2023年的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].start |
18615.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].end |
18616.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].text |
一個公投 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].start |
18616.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].end |
18618.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].text |
就是民調的意見表示出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].start |
18618.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].end |
18619.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].text |
是大概七成五是支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].start |
18619.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].end |
18620.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].text |
那大家你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].start |
18620.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].end |
18622.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].text |
公投如果通過的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].start |
18622.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].end |
18623.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].text |
我現在跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].start |
18623.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].end |
18624.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].text |
您知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].start |
18624.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].end |
18626.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].text |
以公投法第30條 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].start |
18626.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].end |
18627.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].text |
它裡面有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].start |
18627.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].end |
18631.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].text |
就是政府行政院必須要三個月之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].start |
18631.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].end |
18634.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].text |
研擬相關的法律要送到立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].start |
18634.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].end |
18639.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].text |
那立法院就必須要在下一個會期休會之前來完成審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].start |
18639.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].end |
18642.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].text |
表示這個過程當中就會有出現到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].start |
18643.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].end |
18644.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].text |
最快的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].start |
18644.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].end |
18645.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].text |
順利通過的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].start |
18645.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].end |
18648.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].text |
就是會在九個月到半年到一年的時間之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].start |
18648.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].end |
18651.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].text |
就會有這個過程就出現了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].start |
18651.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].end |
18653.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].text |
所以這個部分我跟你們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].start |
18653.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].end |
18656.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].text |
這就是本身的民眾黨對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].start |
18656.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].end |
18659.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].text |
有這樣子難以承受的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].start |
18659.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].end |
18661.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].text |
而且是無法治癒疾病的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].start |
18661.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].end |
18663.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].text |
最重要的一種承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].start |
18663.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].end |
18665.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].text |
所以我這次要知道是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].start |
18665.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].end |
18666.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].text |
如果你知道這個程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].start |
18666.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].end |
18667.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].text |
就是要說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].start |
18667.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].end |
18669.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].text |
可以加速公投就是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].start |
18669.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].end |
18670.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].text |
包括陳冠廷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].start |
18670.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].end |
18672.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].text |
他去年他提出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].start |
18672.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].end |
18674.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].text |
包括2019年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].start |
18674.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].end |
18676.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].text |
有在野黨民進民眾黨也提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].start |
18676.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].end |
18679.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].text |
就是要做這項這上面的推進 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].start |
18679.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].end |
18680.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].text |
這制度就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].start |
18680.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].end |
18681.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].text |
然後最後的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].start |
18681.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].end |
18684.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].text |
我就問一下安樂死如果法制化成功之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].start |
18684.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].end |
18685.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].text |
這是假設的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].start |
18685.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].end |
18686.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].text |
但是你知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].start |
18686.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].end |
18687.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].text |
我知道這是非常影響到很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].start |
18687.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].end |
18689.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].text |
那安樂死的相關法制要修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].start |
18689.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].end |
18691.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].text |
劉委員要注意時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].start |
18691.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].end |
18694.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].text |
我想在這個貴黨所提出的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].start |
18694.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].end |
18695.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].text |
就可以看得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].start |
18695.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].end |
18699.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].text |
其實這公投的這個安樂死的內涵 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].start |
18699.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].end |
18701.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].text |
是非常複雜的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].start |
18701.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].end |
18703.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].text |
所以用這個這麼複雜的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].start |
18703.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].end |
18707.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].text |
以單純的一個yes or no的公投方式來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].start |
18707.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].end |
18709.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].text |
你完全忽略了我剛才所說的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].start |
18709.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].end |
18711.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].text |
溝通諮詢程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].start |
18711.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].end |
18713.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].text |
那包括本身如果公投法通過的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].start |
18713.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].end |
18714.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].text |
那個公投通過的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].start |
18714.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].end |
18717.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].text |
公投法30條的適用就會立即實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].start |
18717.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].end |
18719.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].text |
沒有充分的溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].start |
18719.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].end |
18722.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].text |
這個大家的心中的想像都不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].start |
18722.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].end |
18723.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].text |
這個如何公投 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].start |
18723.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].end |
18725.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].text |
我真的是很大的懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].start |
18725.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].end |
18727.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].text |
這部分就是依照民意的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].start |
18727.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].end |
18728.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].text |
劉委員注意時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].start |
18729.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].end |
18731.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].text |
好 謝謝劉主賓委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].start |
18731.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].end |
18733.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].text |
接下來請劉建國委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].start |
18739.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].end |
18741.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].text |
來有請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].start |
18742.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].end |
18744.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].text |
部長辛苦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].start |
18744.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].end |
18745.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].text |
好 非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].start |
18745.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].end |
18747.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].text |
那也謝謝找我今天特別排 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].start |
18747.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].end |
18750.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].text |
這樣的一個議案來做討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].start |
18750.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].end |
18752.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].text |
我想兩點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].start |
18752.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].end |
18755.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].text |
第一也就是審查委員陳冠廷等18人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].start |
18755.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].end |
18757.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].text |
凝聚了安樂死的這個草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].start |
18757.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].end |
18759.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].text |
那第二個也剛剛特別去提到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].start |
18759.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].end |
18765.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].text |
台灣民眾黨也特別有提出凝聚尊嚴慎忠法的草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].start |
18765.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].end |
18767.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].text |
我想這都是非常嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].start |
18767.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].end |
18770.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].text |
必須非常慎重去面對的相關的法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].start |
18770.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].end |
18772.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].text |
那等同於是立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].start |
18772.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].end |
18774.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].text |
不是沒有這些草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].start |
18774.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].end |
18778.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].text |
而是已有這樣的草案在等待要討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].start |
18778.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].end |
18779.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].text |
那再會講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].start |
18779.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].end |
18783.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].text |
這樣就應該就進到委員會來做實質的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].start |
18783.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].end |
18785.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].text |
這才是正道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].start |
18785.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].end |
18786.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].text |
才是正道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].start |
18786.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].end |
18792.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].text |
怎麼會有在野黨的同仁會破天荒的把安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].start |
18792.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].end |
18794.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].text |
這何等嚴肅 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].start |
18794.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].end |
18795.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].text |
然後複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].start |
18795.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].end |
18797.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].text |
然後慎重的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].start |
18797.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].end |
18801.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].text |
然後輕率的要來舉行這個公投來做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].start |
18801.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].end |
18802.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].text |
我覺得這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].start |
18802.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].end |
18807.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].text |
這真的是有愧這個全民一票一票 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].start |
18807.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].end |
18812.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].text |
給我們這些立委的這樣的一個責任跟期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].start |
18812.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].end |
18815.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].text |
所以我還是希望我們立法院可以發揮專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].start |
18815.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].end |
18820.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].text |
然後制定出這個更嚴謹的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].start |
18820.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].end |
18824.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].text |
來做對於福國立民的這樣的一個目標來打拼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].start |
18824.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].end |
18828.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].text |
那國會也有建置公共政策網路平台的參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].start |
18828.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].end |
18830.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].text |
民眾還可以在這個平台提供意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].start |
18830.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].end |
18832.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].text |
然後提議在開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].start |
18832.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].end |
18835.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].text |
呼籲後六十天內還獲得這個五千份以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].start |
18835.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].end |
18838.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].text |
就可以呼籲集成案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].start |
18838.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].end |
18842.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].text |
那成案後全者機關就必須依照公共政策網路參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].start |
18842.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].end |
18843.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].text |
實質要點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].start |
18843.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].end |
18845.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].text |
在成案後的六十天內 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].start |
18845.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].end |
18846.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].text |
於平台上做出回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].start |
18846.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].end |
18849.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].text |
所以這個平台有關於人類安樂死的提議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].start |
18849.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].end |
18853.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].text |
從2016起用至今累積有四十個提議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].start |
18853.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].end |
18857.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].text |
都是沒有達到五千份的呼籲門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].start |
18857.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].end |
18861.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].text |
那這個平台上有達到五千份以上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].start |
18861.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].end |
18864.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].text |
這個民間安樂死的提議只有兩案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].start |
18864.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].end |
18869.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].text |
同時達到五千以上呼籲門檻的動物安樂死提議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].start |
18869.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].end |
18870.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].text |
就有七案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].start |
18870.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].end |
18872.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].text |
我想說透過這個平台的提議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].start |
18872.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].end |
18874.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].text |
就能直觀的去發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].start |
18874.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].end |
18877.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].text |
即便在民間都用很審慎的態度在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].start |
18878.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].end |
18879.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].text |
是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].start |
18879.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].end |
18882.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].text |
怎麼可以像現在急救章 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].start |
18882.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].end |
18883.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].text |
就用人數的優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].start |
18883.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].end |
18886.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].text |
要把這個議題訴諸公投 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].start |
18886.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].end |
18888.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].text |
這實在不得不努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].start |
18888.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].end |
18892.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].text |
那立法院也推動這個尊嚴善終的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].start |
18892.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].end |
18893.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].text |
病人自主權益法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].start |
18893.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].end |
18895.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].text |
我本是也就是提案人之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].start |
18895.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].end |
18897.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].text |
那當時我們在設定這個法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].start |
18897.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].end |
18901.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].text |
你看在委員會是用多少次的委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].start |
18901.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].end |
18903.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].text |
這樣的一個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].start |
18903.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].end |
18904.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].text |
每一個環節 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].start |
18904.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].end |
18906.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].text |
每一個範疇 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].start |
18906.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].end |
18907.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].text |
每一個層次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].start |
18907.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].end |
18909.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].text |
那個都是一直溝通是溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].start |
18909.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].end |
18912.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].text |
所以我想安樂死這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].start |
18912.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].end |
18915.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].text |
我們絕對願意用非常仔細慎重 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].start |
18915.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].end |
18917.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].text |
然後嚴肅的態度來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].start |
18917.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].end |
18918.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].text |
那也必須要提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].start |
18918.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].end |
18920.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].text |
就是說這個法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].start |
18920.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].end |
18921.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].text |
這部法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].start |
18921.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].end |
18923.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].text |
千萬要細緻討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].start |
18923.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].end |
18924.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].text |
不能為了政治操作 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].start |
18926.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].end |
18927.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].text |
為了聯席的選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].start |
18927.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].end |
18928.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].text |
為了某些目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].start |
18928.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].end |
18929.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].text |
反而失焦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].start |
18929.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].end |
18934.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].text |
反而讓這個有關生命的一個法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].start |
18934.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].end |
18935.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].text |
清算的通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].start |
18935.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].end |
18938.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].text |
我這邊先做這樣的一個表述 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].start |
18938.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].end |
18941.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].text |
那本行有兩件事情要跟部長就教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].start |
18941.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].end |
18945.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].text |
第一個這個我覺得還蠻要緊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].start |
18946.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].end |
18948.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].text |
部長請看這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].start |
18948.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].end |
18950.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].text |
育兒網紅載三歲女兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].start |
18950.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].end |
18951.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].text |
設獨駕撞車 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].start |
18951.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].end |
18954.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].text |
讓孩子吸到二手毒菸 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].start |
18954.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].end |
18956.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].text |
又恐射孽童 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].start |
18956.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].end |
18957.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].text |
這個報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].start |
18957.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].end |
18959.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].text |
這不是單單的一個獨駕事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].start |
18959.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].end |
18962.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].text |
如果沒有發生這個獨駕的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].start |
18962.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].end |
18963.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].text |
這個三歲女兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].start |
18963.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].end |
18966.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].text |
她到底還要吸她媽媽的二手毒菸 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].start |
18966.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].end |
18967.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].text |
到多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].start |
18967.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].end |
18968.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].text |
這是一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].start |
18968.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].end |
18970.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].text |
那再請部長看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].start |
18970.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].end |
18972.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].text |
這個獨駕的移送案件次數 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].start |
18973.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].end |
18975.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].text |
2023 315件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].start |
18975.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].end |
18977.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].text |
2024 2619件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].start |
18978.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].end |
18980.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].text |
一年增長8倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].start |
18980.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].end |
18983.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].text |
2025 8659件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].start |
18983.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].end |
18986.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].text |
等於隔年是3倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].start |
18986.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].end |
18989.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].text |
但是那個件數已經如果對照 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].start |
18990.04 |
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18991.04 |
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2023年 |
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18991.81 |
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18992.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].text |
是是是 |
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18993.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].end |
18994.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].text |
是幾倍你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].start |
18994.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].end |
18996.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].text |
快30倍了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].start |
18996.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].end |
18999.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].text |
那我們截至到5月是6730件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].start |
19000.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].end |
19003.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].text |
到6月已經超越2025的全年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].start |
19003.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].end |
19006.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].text |
這個這個移送的件數 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].start |
19006.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].end |
19008.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].text |
已經來到9710件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].start |
19008.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].end |
19010.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].text |
這種喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].start |
19010.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].end |
19012.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].text |
像我現在如果看這種趨勢的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].start |
19012.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].end |
19014.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].text |
買股票的人會很高興 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].start |
19015.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].end |
19016.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].text |
但是台灣喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].start |
19016.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].end |
19018.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].text |
面對這種獨駕移送的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].start |
19018.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].end |
19020.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].text |
我們看了會非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].start |
19020.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].end |
19021.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].text |
膽破心驚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].start |
19021.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].end |
19023.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].text |
也會非常的難過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].start |
19023.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].end |
19024.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].text |
怎麼會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].start |
19024.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].end |
19025.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].text |
怎麼會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].start |
19025.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].end |
19027.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].text |
會嚴重到成長的速度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].start |
19027.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].end |
19028.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].text |
快到這種程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].start |
19029.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].end |
19033.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].text |
這是一件對台灣社會來說是一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].start |
19034.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].end |
19036.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].text |
不好很恐怖的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].start |
19036.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].end |
19039.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].text |
然後你想那個網紅的這個媽媽 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].start |
19039.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].end |
19040.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].text |
給他的小朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].start |
19040.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].end |
19041.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].text |
他才幾歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].start |
19041.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].end |
19042.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].text |
三歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].start |
19042.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].end |
19043.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].text |
三歲以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].start |
19043.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].end |
19046.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].text |
然後幾乎要每天吸食這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].start |
19046.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].end |
19047.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].text |
二手的毒菸 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].start |
19050.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].end |
19052.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].text |
所以我還是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].start |
19052.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].end |
19053.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].text |
還是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].start |
19053.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].end |
19056.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].text |
部長我們可能要跟所有的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].start |
19056.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].end |
19057.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].text |
這個不能再用舊思維 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].start |
19057.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].end |
19059.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].text |
這個再用舊思維 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].start |
19059.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].end |
19060.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].text |
緩不濟急 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].start |
19060.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].end |
19061.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].text |
因為誤會起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].start |
19061.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].end |
19062.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].text |
對不住他們這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].start |
19062.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].end |
19063.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].text |
這種恐怖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].start |
19063.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].end |
19065.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].text |
這種這種成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].start |
19065.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].end |
19067.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].text |
所以所以我還是希望聽部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].start |
19067.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].end |
19069.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].text |
是不是可以明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].start |
19069.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].end |
19070.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].text |
然後有新的思維 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].start |
19070.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].end |
19071.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].text |
跟新的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].start |
19071.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].end |
19073.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].text |
不要再說什麼要修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].start |
19073.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].end |
19074.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].text |
不是改革修法還是要修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].start |
19074.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].end |
19077.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].text |
但是有些事情在行政作為上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].start |
19077.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].end |
19079.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].text |
他絕對是可以來處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].start |
19079.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].end |
19080.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].text |
是到底要不要承擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].start |
19080.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].end |
19082.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].text |
到底要不要面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].start |
19082.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].end |
19083.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].text |
包含不是衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6356].start |
19083.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6356].end |
19084.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6356].text |
包含教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].start |
19084.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].end |
19085.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].text |
包含這個警政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].start |
19085.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].end |
19086.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].text |
包含法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].start |
19086.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].end |
19089.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].text |
我想都是應該可以更 |
| transcript.whisperx[6360].start |
19089.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6360].end |
19091.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6360].text |
更積極的這樣的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].start |
19091.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].end |
19092.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].text |
來面對這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6362].start |
19092.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6362].end |
19094.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6362].text |
因為這個小朋友吸了多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].start |
19094.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].end |
19095.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].text |
三歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[6364].start |
19096.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6364].end |
19098.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6364].text |
他是到底是吸了三年的二手毒菸 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].start |
19098.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].end |
19099.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].text |
還是吸了一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].start |
19100.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].end |
19101.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].text |
還是吸了三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].start |
19102.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].end |
19103.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].text |
你不得而知啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].start |
19103.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].end |
19105.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].text |
也很難再去追查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].start |
19105.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].end |
19107.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].text |
那黑數還有多多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].start |
19107.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].end |
19108.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].text |
黑數還多多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].start |
19108.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].end |
19109.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].text |
那這個小朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].start |
19109.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].end |
19113.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].text |
或許是某部長的親戚的小朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].start |
19113.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].end |
19116.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].text |
或許是某一個科長的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].start |
19116.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].end |
19118.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].text |
家裡裡面的成員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].start |
19120.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].end |
19123.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].text |
普羅大眾的小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].start |
19124.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].end |
19126.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].text |
都一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6377].start |
19125.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6377].end |
19127.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6377].text |
不能讓這樣的毒害 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].start |
19127.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].end |
19130.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].text |
持續的侵襲我們台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6379].start |
19130.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6379].end |
19132.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6379].text |
幼小的這些小朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].start |
19132.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].end |
19133.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].text |
甚至於不應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[6381].start |
19133.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6381].end |
19135.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6381].text |
再讓這樣的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[6382].start |
19135.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6382].end |
19137.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6382].text |
緩好幾倍的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].start |
19137.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].end |
19138.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].text |
這樣的速度在成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].start |
19138.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].end |
19139.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].text |
尤其對教育部員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].start |
19139.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].end |
19141.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].text |
在國小國中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].start |
19141.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].end |
19143.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].text |
這更應該像我們之前在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].start |
19143.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].end |
19145.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].text |
討論了整個法案的過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].start |
19145.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].end |
19146.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].text |
我也把那個相關資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6389].start |
19146.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6389].end |
19147.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6389].text |
給部長看了對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].start |
19147.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].end |
19149.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].text |
部長還靠近來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].start |
19149.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].end |
19150.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].text |
怎麼那個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].start |
19150.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].end |
19152.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].text |
一個吸食器可以做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].start |
19152.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].end |
19153.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].text |
好像是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6394].start |
19153.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6394].end |
19155.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6394].text |
好像是車上吊掛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6395].start |
19155.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6395].end |
19158.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6395].text |
包包吊掛的一個吸食的工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].start |
19158.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].end |
19160.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].text |
這種黃不勝黃的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].start |
19160.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].end |
19162.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].text |
是不是知道他在吸食 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].start |
19162.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].end |
19163.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].text |
就是馬上驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6399].start |
19163.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6399].end |
19165.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6399].text |
就是馬上驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6400].start |
19165.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6400].end |
19167.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6400].text |
我覺得這個絕對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].start |
19167.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].end |
19169.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].text |
我想多數的家長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].start |
19169.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].end |
19170.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].text |
都一定會認同的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].start |
19170.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].end |
19171.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].text |
都認同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].start |
19171.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].end |
19173.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].text |
是不是請部長先簡單回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].start |
19173.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].end |
19174.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].start |
19174.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].end |
19177.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].text |
在回應這個委員的槌詢之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].start |
19177.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].end |
19178.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].text |
我也要先表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].start |
19178.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].end |
19180.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].text |
這個病主法當年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].start |
19180.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].end |
19183.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].text |
那麼是在委員的立處之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6410].start |
19183.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6410].end |
19184.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6410].text |
能夠通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].start |
19184.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].end |
19186.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].text |
那也因為您的這個督促 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].start |
19186.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].end |
19189.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].text |
我們在去年把他納入健保給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].start |
19189.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].end |
19193.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].text |
大幅的放寬到65歲以上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].start |
19193.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].end |
19194.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].text |
重大傷病 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].start |
19194.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].end |
19196.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].text |
那麼多重慢性病 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].start |
19196.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].end |
19197.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].text |
透過加一計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].start |
19197.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].end |
19198.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].text |
所以他 |
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19200.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].end |
19202.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].text |
這個簽署的人數才能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].start |
19202.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].end |
19203.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].text |
在我們今年上半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].start |
19203.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].end |
19206.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].text |
就簽了兩萬六千多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].start |
19206.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].end |
19208.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].text |
這個您一定很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].start |
19208.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].end |
19210.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].text |
過去這個這樣的數字是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].start |
19210.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].end |
19213.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].text |
要累積一兩年都才能夠達到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].start |
19213.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].end |
19216.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].text |
我們今年已經快速的在提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].start |
19216.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].end |
19217.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].text |
那我們現在的瓶頸 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].start |
19217.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].end |
19220.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].text |
可能是在ACP的量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].start |
19220.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].end |
19222.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].text |
就是現在健保有給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].start |
19222.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].end |
19224.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].text |
那個可以對象其實是很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].start |
19224.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].end |
19225.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].text |
那麼對於這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].start |
19225.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].end |
19226.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].text |
當然他成長了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].start |
19226.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].end |
19228.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].text |
但是還是距離 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].start |
19228.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].end |
19229.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].text |
我們的目標有距離 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].start |
19229.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].end |
19233.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].text |
所以怎麼樣透過這一次的修法來放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].start |
19233.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].end |
19234.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].text |
那麼不是放寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].start |
19234.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].end |
19237.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].text |
去擴大我們的ACP的量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].start |
19237.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].end |
19239.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].text |
把這個瓶頸給打破 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].start |
19239.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].end |
19242.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].text |
這個我想對於現在大家在訴求的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].start |
19242.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].end |
19244.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].text |
這個安樂死的這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].start |
19244.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].end |
19247.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].text |
其實是我們應該先把這個病主法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].start |
19247.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].end |
19249.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].text |
能夠具體的來落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].start |
19249.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].end |
19251.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].text |
那安樂死的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].start |
19251.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].end |
19255.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].text |
那麼再吸收更多的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].start |
19255.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].end |
19257.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].text |
那大家的這個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].start |
19257.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].end |
19261.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].text |
那麼再來做立法上的研修 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].start |
19261.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].end |
19263.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].text |
這個我要特別謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].start |
19263.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].end |
19265.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].text |
在當健保署署長的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].start |
19265.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].end |
19267.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].text |
也積極的來協助推動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].start |
19267.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].end |
19269.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].text |
坦白講這個也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].start |
19269.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].end |
19272.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].text |
目標就是朝向尊嚴善忠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].start |
19272.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].end |
19274.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].text |
那上個禮拜五我們原本 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].start |
19274.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].end |
19278.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].text |
這個病主法還要來修正提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].start |
19278.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].end |
19279.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].text |
這個病主法2.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].start |
19279.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].end |
19281.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].text |
那有就出席人數不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].start |
19281.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].end |
19283.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].text |
不過我們還是會盡快找時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].start |
19283.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].end |
19285.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].text |
來趕快來協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].start |
19285.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].end |
19287.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].text |
那當然還是再請部長與協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].start |
19287.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].end |
19289.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].text |
如果病主法2.0可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].start |
19289.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].end |
19290.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].text |
順利的刪除通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].start |
19290.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].end |
19293.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].text |
我想民眾黨提出的尊嚴善忠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6460].start |
19293.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6460].end |
19295.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6460].text |
應該大家是可以坐下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].start |
19295.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].end |
19298.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].text |
好好的來不要講學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[6462].start |
19298.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6462].end |
19300.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6462].text |
就大家好好的來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].start |
19300.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].end |
19301.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].text |
是不是也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].start |
19301.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].end |
19303.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].text |
彼此之間要努力的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6465].start |
19303.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6465].end |
19304.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6465].text |
其實是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6466].start |
19304.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6466].end |
19305.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6466].text |
對對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6467].start |
19305.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6467].end |
19306.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6467].text |
那至於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6468].start |
19308.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6468].end |
19310.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6468].text |
電子煙的這個氾濫的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].start |
19310.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].end |
19313.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].text |
當然也謝謝這個召委的安排 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].start |
19313.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].end |
19316.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].text |
已經在立法院的委員會裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].start |
19316.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].end |
19318.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].text |
我們已經有討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].start |
19318.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].end |
19320.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].text |
那麼現在也等待這個最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].start |
19320.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].end |
19322.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].text |
待會的協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].start |
19322.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].end |
19325.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].text |
希望能夠盡快的完成這個修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].start |
19325.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].end |
19328.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].text |
那麼把這個電子煙的納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].start |
19328.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].end |
19330.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].text |
刑事的這個處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].start |
19330.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].end |
19333.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].text |
那至於如何去落實執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].start |
19333.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].end |
19336.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].text |
就如同剛剛這個委員所提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].start |
19336.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].end |
19338.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].text |
因為他的陽態實在太多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].start |
19338.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].end |
19340.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].text |
所以我們一定要重罰的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].start |
19340.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].end |
19342.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].text |
才足以遏止這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].start |
19342.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].end |
19346.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].text |
用各種的變形來混淆 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].start |
19346.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].end |
19347.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].text |
那造成這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].start |
19347.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].end |
19349.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].text |
那至於校園的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].start |
19349.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].end |
19352.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].text |
其實這個教育部也在擬定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].start |
19352.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].end |
19355.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].text |
這個全面性就是那個拓意快篩 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].start |
19355.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].end |
19357.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].text |
要引入到校園裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].start |
19357.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].end |
19360.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].text |
這個是不是我們也請署長補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].start |
19360.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].end |
19361.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].text |
請署長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].start |
19361.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].end |
19362.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].text |
補充10秒 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].start |
19362.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].end |
19363.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].text |
剛剛部長都講過的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].start |
19363.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].end |
19365.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].text |
那我這邊補充校園的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].start |
19365.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].end |
19367.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].text |
那把這個新興的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].start |
19367.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].end |
19369.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].text |
我們會用仿真的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].start |
19369.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].end |
19370.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].text |
以及納入教材 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].start |
19370.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].end |
19372.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].text |
8月份就會教材給全國 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].start |
19372.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].end |
19374.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].text |
那全國都用入班的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].start |
19374.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].end |
19377.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].text |
那五年級以上入班大概有5萬多班 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].start |
19377.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].end |
19379.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].text |
用這種比較新的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[6500].start |
19379.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6500].end |
19383.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6500].text |
來讓這些新興的這種遏制的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].start |
19383.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].end |
19385.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].text |
得到新時代的這個處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].start |
19385.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].end |
19386.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].text |
這些委員提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].start |
19386.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].end |
19387.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].text |
補充署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6504].start |
19387.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6504].end |
19389.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6504].text |
這個是一個作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6505].start |
19389.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6505].end |
19390.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6505].text |
基本上我支持嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6506].start |
19390.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6506].end |
19393.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6506].text |
但是現在有人在講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].start |
19393.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].end |
19395.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].text |
可能是什麼法規上的不完備 |
| transcript.whisperx[6508].start |
19395.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6508].end |
19398.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6508].text |
可能牽涉到個資啦隱私啦等等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[6509].start |
19398.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6509].end |
19399.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6509].text |
喔這不對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6510].start |
19399.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6510].end |
19401.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6510].text |
這不對你們自己本身喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].start |
19401.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].end |
19403.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].text |
在教育部就有各級學校特定人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].start |
19403.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].end |
19406.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].text |
尿液篩檢幾乎來作業要點嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].start |
19406.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].end |
19408.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].text |
已經就有授權給學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].start |
19408.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].end |
19411.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].text |
可以對特定人員尿液篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6515].start |
19411.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6515].end |
19413.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6515].text |
你就可以即使是發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[6516].start |
19413.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6516].end |
19417.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6516].text |
這些已經被汙染的這些學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].start |
19418.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].end |
19421.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].text |
我想今天如果他已經在吸食 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].start |
19421.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].end |
19423.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].text |
我們那天在委員會討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].start |
19423.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].end |
19424.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].text |
部長都有聽到那時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].start |
19424.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].end |
19428.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].text |
當然可能署長那天沒有出席嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].start |
19428.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].end |
19430.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].text |
應該你教育部有代表的人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].start |
19430.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].end |
19432.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].text |
也應該會非常理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6523].start |
19432.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6523].end |
19434.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6523].text |
他幾乎是綁定啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].start |
19435.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].end |
19437.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].text |
對不對這個上升煙蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[6525].start |
19437.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6525].end |
19439.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6525].text |
跟這個E2M1已經是綁定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].start |
19439.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].end |
19442.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].text |
所以多數有吸食的坦白講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].start |
19442.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].end |
19445.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].text |
坦白講都應該馬上去做篩檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].start |
19445.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].end |
19447.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].text |
就可以馬上知道他有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].start |
19447.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].end |
19451.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].text |
那如果今天篩檢的程度多數都是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].start |
19451.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].end |
19453.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].text |
為什麼今天家長要控訴什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].start |
19453.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].end |
19456.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].text |
違反個資啦什麼侵犯隱私權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].start |
19457.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].end |
19460.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].text |
我想這個不是問題之所在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].start |
19460.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].end |
19462.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].text |
一個新的毒品我們還用救濕尾 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].start |
19462.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].end |
19465.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].text |
我們沒有新作法來做相關的因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].start |
19465.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].end |
19469.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].text |
你看那個潘昇的數字就會這麼恐怖啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].start |
19469.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].end |
19471.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].text |
謝謝委員剛才所提的快篩的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].start |
19471.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].end |
19473.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].text |
的確教育部已經在處理中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].start |
19473.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].end |
19475.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].text |
那有關的法制的建置 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].start |
19475.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].end |
19477.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].text |
那也謝謝委員剛才提供了一個很好的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].start |
19477.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].end |
19480.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].text |
那也的確是我們在努力的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].start |
19480.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].end |
19481.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].text |
謝謝謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].start |
19481.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].end |
19483.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].text |
對原本你們這邊就是有地 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].start |
19483.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].end |
19485.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].text |
我剛剛特別提到了嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].start |
19485.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].end |
19487.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].text |
特定人員的尿篩的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].start |
19487.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].end |
19491.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].text |
對啊這是各學校的特定人員的尿液篩檢機 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].start |
19491.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].end |
19493.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].text |
相關的作用要點嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].start |
19493.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].end |
19496.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].text |
這個應該是應該是可以進行嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6548].start |
19496.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6548].end |
19498.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6548].text |
他上位的法源 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].start |
19498.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].end |
19501.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].text |
原來就已經寫的是尿篩的這個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].start |
19501.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].end |
19503.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].text |
那現在加上特異的快篩 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].start |
19503.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].end |
19505.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].text |
這樣怎麼樣是把他架構好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].start |
19505.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].end |
19508.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].text |
這個我們會跟衛福部或相關的法務部單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].start |
19508.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].end |
19510.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].text |
一起來照聞這個方向來一起研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].start |
19510.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].end |
19514.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].text |
非常時期有非常急迫的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].start |
19514.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].end |
19518.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].text |
沒有辦法用更積極的方法去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6556].start |
19519.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6556].end |
19524.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6556].text |
去處理這樣的狀況就會越加劇嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].start |
19524.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].end |
19525.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].text |
所以我才特別講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].start |
19525.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].end |
19529.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].text |
哪怕他可能是遇到的會是個科長的小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].start |
19529.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].end |
19532.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].text |
也可能是一個部長的親戚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].start |
19532.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].end |
19533.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].text |
也可能是普羅大眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].start |
19533.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].end |
19536.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].text |
都一樣那種成長的速度快到這種程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].start |
19536.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].end |
19539.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].text |
我們就是對新毒品就要有新作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].start |
19539.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].end |
19541.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].text |
就要也立風行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].start |
19541.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].end |
19543.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].text |
就是不能掛一頓飯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].start |
19543.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].end |
19544.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].text |
就是馬上要處理啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].start |
19544.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].end |
19546.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].text |
對我們的態度跟委員一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].start |
19546.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].end |
19548.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].text |
好謝謝謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].start |
19549.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].end |
19551.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].text |
好謝謝劉建國委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].start |
19551.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].end |
19553.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].text |
接下來請楊耀委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].start |
19570.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].end |
19571.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].start |
19571.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].end |
19572.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].text |
主席請一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].start |
19573.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].end |
19574.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].text |
社交署副署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].start |
19574.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].end |
19576.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].text |
社交署長 媒體副署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].start |
19582.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].end |
19584.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].text |
副委員號 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].start |
19584.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].end |
19586.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].text |
副委員號我先跟你討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].start |
19587.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].end |
19591.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].text |
台南一歲男童的不幸事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].start |
19591.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].end |
19593.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].text |
那這裡就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].start |
19594.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].end |
19596.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].text |
其實我也覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].start |
19598.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].end |
19601.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].text |
公部門並沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].start |
19601.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].end |
19603.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].text |
阻止不幸事情的發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].start |
19603.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].end |
19607.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].text |
因為我們沒有那麼多的人力可以去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].start |
19607.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].end |
19609.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].text |
不過是這樣子就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].start |
19610.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].end |
19611.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].start |
19611.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].end |
19613.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].text |
無照保母你們通常 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].start |
19613.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].end |
19614.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].text |
通常 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].start |
19615.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].end |
19616.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].text |
有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].start |
19617.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].end |
19620.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].text |
在什麼機緣或者什麼措施的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].start |
19620.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].end |
19622.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].text |
的實施下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].start |
19622.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].end |
19624.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].text |
是可以在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].start |
19624.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].end |
19626.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].text |
在不幸事件發生之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].start |
19626.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].end |
19628.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].text |
就找出來的 有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].start |
19629.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].end |
19632.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].text |
一般我們比較多是靠這個民眾的檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].start |
19632.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].end |
19634.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].text |
這是第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].start |
19634.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].end |
19636.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].text |
就是說如果民眾有檢舉的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].start |
19636.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].end |
19639.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].text |
我們的各縣市政府的這個查核的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].start |
19639.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].end |
19641.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].text |
他都會進行去做查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].start |
19641.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].end |
19643.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].text |
那這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].start |
19643.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].end |
19644.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].text |
就台南這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].start |
19644.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].end |
19646.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].text |
是不是有經過檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].start |
19646.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].end |
19648.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].text |
台南這個案件應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].start |
19649.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].end |
19652.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].text |
發生事情之後才知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].start |
19652.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].end |
19654.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].text |
發生事情之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].start |
19654.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].end |
19655.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].text |
那我 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].start |
19656.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].end |
19658.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].text |
我想請問你喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].start |
19658.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].end |
19660.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].text |
在你的認知裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].start |
19660.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].end |
19662.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].text |
為什麼家長願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].start |
19662.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].end |
19664.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].text |
把小孩子託付給 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].start |
19665.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].end |
19666.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].text |
無照的保母 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].start |
19666.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].end |
19668.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].text |
是不知道他無照 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].start |
19668.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].end |
19670.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].text |
還是其他原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].start |
19670.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].end |
19672.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].text |
通常大概有幾個原因啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].start |
19672.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].end |
19674.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].text |
第一個是有可能是家長不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].start |
19674.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].end |
19676.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].text |
因為所以這也是我們一直加強宣傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].start |
19676.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].end |
19680.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].text |
要找到有登記的證的包 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].start |
19680.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].end |
19681.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].text |
那我們就是必須要加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].start |
19682.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].end |
19683.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].text |
部長不好意思喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].start |
19683.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].end |
19685.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].text |
我們就是必須要加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].start |
19685.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].end |
19687.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].text |
這部分的宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].start |
19687.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].end |
19691.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].text |
有照總是國家做過初步的把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].start |
19691.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].end |
19692.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].text |
然後第二個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].start |
19692.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].end |
19694.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].text |
他可能是受費比較低廉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].start |
19695.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].end |
19696.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].text |
對於家長來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].start |
19696.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].end |
19698.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].text |
他會覺得托育費用的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].start |
19698.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].end |
19699.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].text |
這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].start |
19699.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].end |
19700.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].text |
那收費低的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].start |
19700.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].end |
19702.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].text |
署裡面有沒有因應的對策 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].start |
19702.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].end |
19705.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].text |
我們現在其實是有給 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].start |
19705.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].end |
19707.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].text |
這個我們中央其實是有補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].start |
19707.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].end |
19709.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].text |
托育補助的費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].start |
19709.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].end |
19711.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].text |
那至少每一個家庭都可以得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].start |
19711.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].end |
19712.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].text |
一萬三 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].start |
19712.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].end |
19713.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].text |
那如果是弱勢的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].start |
19713.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].end |
19714.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].text |
弱勢家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].start |
19714.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].end |
19715.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].text |
家庭可以得到更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].start |
19715.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].end |
19716.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].text |
還有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].start |
19717.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].end |
19719.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].text |
然後另外一個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].start |
19719.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].end |
19721.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].text |
收拖的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].start |
19721.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].end |
19722.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].text |
因為有些家長可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].start |
19722.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].end |
19724.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].text |
他工作的時間比較長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].start |
19724.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].end |
19726.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].text |
那這個不過我們其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].start |
19726.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].end |
19727.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].text |
一般我們的保母 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].start |
19727.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].end |
19729.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].text |
其實他也可以拖24小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].start |
19729.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].end |
19730.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].start |
19730.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].end |
19731.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].text |
副老師這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].start |
19731.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].end |
19734.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].text |
我向來不是很喜歡檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].start |
19734.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].end |
19736.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].text |
不幸事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].start |
19736.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].end |
19739.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].text |
那可是我們必須要藉由不幸事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].start |
19739.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].end |
19742.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].text |
來精進我們日後的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].start |
19742.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].end |
19745.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].text |
那家長選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].start |
19745.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].end |
19749.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].text |
選擇無債保母的可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].start |
19751.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].end |
19753.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].text |
署裡面這邊也都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].start |
19753.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].end |
19754.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].text |
那我們就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].start |
19754.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].end |
19756.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].text |
你剛剛講的那三個原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].start |
19756.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].end |
19760.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].text |
大概我的想法大概也這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].start |
19760.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].end |
19764.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].text |
所以你們看要怎麼去做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].start |
19764.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].end |
19766.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].text |
總是要防止 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].start |
19766.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].end |
19769.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].text |
因為小孩子特別是兩歲以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].start |
19769.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].end |
19771.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].text |
其實是最需要保護的好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].start |
19771.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].end |
19772.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].text |
是 好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].start |
19772.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].end |
19774.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].text |
請副長請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].start |
19774.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].end |
19776.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].text |
主席我請一下部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].start |
19776.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].end |
19777.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].text |
部長有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].start |
19781.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].end |
19782.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].start |
19782.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].end |
19784.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].text |
部長我們今天討論安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].start |
19784.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].end |
19787.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].text |
我就先跟你討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].start |
19787.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].end |
19789.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].text |
我們的安寧醫療制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].start |
19791.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].end |
19793.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].text |
我們就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].start |
19793.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].end |
19794.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].text |
現行制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].start |
19794.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].end |
19798.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].text |
為了要保障生命末期照顧品質的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].start |
19798.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].end |
19800.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].text |
的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].start |
19800.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].end |
19802.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].text |
我們大概有可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].start |
19803.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].end |
19804.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].text |
醫療制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].start |
19806.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].end |
19807.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].start |
19807.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].end |
19808.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].start |
19808.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].end |
19809.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].text |
病毒法規定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].start |
19809.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].end |
19812.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].text |
那還有另外一個就是安寧醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].start |
19812.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].end |
19814.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].text |
安寧緩和醫院書 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].start |
19814.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].end |
19817.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].text |
安寧醫療的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].start |
19819.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].end |
19821.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].text |
我有一個問題想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].start |
19821.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].end |
19823.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].text |
跟部長討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].start |
19823.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].end |
19828.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].text |
現在全台灣只有873床安寧病床 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].start |
19828.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].end |
19829.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].text |
我這個數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].start |
19829.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].end |
19830.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].text |
這個差不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].start |
19832.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].end |
19833.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].text |
這樣子夠嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].start |
19834.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].end |
19836.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].text |
很明顯的是不夠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].start |
19838.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].end |
19839.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].start |
19839.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].end |
19843.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].text |
因為我們這個安寧我們分成三類 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].start |
19843.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].end |
19846.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].text |
一個就是像您說的那個是住院安寧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].start |
19846.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].end |
19848.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].text |
就是一個特定的病房 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].start |
19848.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].end |
19850.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].text |
專門在提供安寧的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].start |
19850.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].end |
19851.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].text |
另外有安寧共照 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].start |
19851.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].end |
19854.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].text |
也就是病人不動團隊動的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].start |
19854.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].end |
19857.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].text |
還用照會安寧團隊來照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].start |
19857.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].end |
19858.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].text |
不是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].start |
19858.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].end |
19861.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].text |
在住院的時候叫做安寧共照 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].start |
19861.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].end |
19862.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].text |
在一般病床 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].start |
19862.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].end |
19863.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].text |
一般病床 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].start |
19863.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].end |
19865.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].text |
然後安寧團隊來提供安寧的服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].start |
19865.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].end |
19866.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].text |
它是第二種 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].start |
19866.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].end |
19868.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].text |
第三種還是居家安寧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].start |
19868.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].end |
19871.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].text |
所以我們現在健保的幾乎有這三種樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].start |
19874.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].end |
19876.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].text |
我自己接待的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].start |
19876.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].end |
19881.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].text |
其實我們接獲多次癌末病人家屬的懲情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].start |
19881.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].end |
19887.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].text |
就是病患已經被告知走到生命末期 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].start |
19887.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].end |
19891.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].text |
必須要轉安寧病房接受安寧醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].start |
19891.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].end |
19895.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].text |
可是其實大概都必須要等很久 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].start |
19895.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].end |
19899.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].text |
所以部長剛剛講的第二個方案就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].start |
19899.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].end |
19902.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].text |
就是病人不動醫生動 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].start |
19902.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].end |
19905.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].text |
那個叫安寧共照 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].start |
19905.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].end |
19910.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].text |
安寧共照的部分必須要求醫院趕快去強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].start |
19910.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].end |
19914.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].text |
因為這個是算量能就比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].start |
19914.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].end |
19916.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].text |
因為不受限於病床的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].start |
19916.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].end |
19918.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].text |
也比較即時性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].start |
19918.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].end |
19919.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].text |
它不是專屬病房 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].start |
19919.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].end |
19924.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].text |
可是還是一樣可以得到安寧醫療緩和醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].start |
19924.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].end |
19926.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].text |
這個我們會來強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].start |
19926.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].end |
19930.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].text |
也要讓病患家屬知道有這種選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].start |
19930.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].end |
19931.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].text |
有這個選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].start |
19931.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].end |
19933.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].text |
這個還不錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].start |
19933.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].end |
19935.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].text |
另外一個就是部長剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].start |
19935.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].end |
19941.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].text |
也就是居家療護或者是社區化的安寧居家療護 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].start |
19943.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].end |
19947.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].text |
這個其實推廣的怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].start |
19947.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].end |
19950.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].text |
其實這個越來越被大家接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].start |
19950.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].end |
19951.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].text |
就是居家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].start |
19951.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].end |
19956.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].text |
因為現在其實多數的病人還是希望在家善終 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].start |
19956.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].end |
19960.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].text |
如果能夠在熟悉的環境跟家人告別 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].start |
19960.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].end |
19961.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].text |
這個是最好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].start |
19961.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].end |
19964.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].text |
他最少在心情跟情緒上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].start |
19964.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].end |
19967.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].text |
心理跟情緒上會比醫院更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].start |
19967.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].end |
19970.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].text |
不過必須要你們大力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].start |
19971.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].end |
19975.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].text |
讓一般的民眾知道說有這個選項 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].start |
19975.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].end |
19979.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].text |
也必須要落實到可以跟醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].start |
19979.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].end |
19984.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].text |
很難要求到同等 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].start |
19984.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].end |
19986.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].text |
可是落差不要那麼大 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].start |
19986.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].end |
19993.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].text |
還有就是這個可能會有城鄉差異的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].start |
19993.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].end |
19995.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].text |
會有城鄉差異的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].start |
19995.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].end |
19997.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].text |
這個都要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].start |
19997.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].end |
19998.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].text |
所以跟文說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].start |
19998.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].end |
20000.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].text |
跟文說明我們今年的健保 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].start |
20000.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].end |
20003.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].text |
也把居家安寧的給他提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].start |
20003.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].end |
20006.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].text |
因為這個要團隊到家裡面 |
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20006.53 |
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20008.53 |
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所以成本是比較耗時 |
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20008.53 |
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20009.53 |
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高成本 |
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20009.53 |
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20010.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].text |
所以這個把它提高 |
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20010.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].end |
20015.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].text |
另外也用這個P4P就是潤脂記仇方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].start |
20015.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].end |
20017.53 |
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做個好的我們再加成給他 |
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20017.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].end |
20019.53 |
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費用再加成 |
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20019.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].end |
20021.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].text |
就是希望把品質拉高 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].start |
20021.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].end |
20023.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].text |
像董言提的這樣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6750].end |
20026.53 |
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品質好的我們加成好像兩成還是三成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].start |
20026.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].end |
20028.53 |
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人生的最後一段路 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].start |
20028.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].end |
20032.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].text |
對病患來講對家屬來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].start |
20032.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].end |
20034.53 |
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都是一段煎熬 |
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20034.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].end |
20036.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].text |
我們盡量把它做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].start |
20036.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].end |
20039.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].text |
最後因為今天我們有討論安樂死 |
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20039.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].end |
20044.53 |
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那當然把安樂死的議題拿來當作公投 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].start |
20044.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].end |
20048.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].text |
這個是一項還滿荒謬的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].start |
20048.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].end |
20053.53 |
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因為這個有太多專業的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].start |
20053.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].end |
20056.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].text |
包括憲法到底有沒有保障到死亡權 |
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20056.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].end |
20061.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].text |
然後死亡權憲法基本權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].start |
20061.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].end |
20063.53 |
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能不能主動放棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].start |
20063.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].end |
20065.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].text |
這個要探討的問題很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].start |
20065.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].end |
20072.53 |
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而我希望部長能不能用比較簡單的講法 |
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20072.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].end |
20075.53 |
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透過這個委員會講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].start |
20075.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].end |
20079.53 |
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因為我們現在其實已經有 |
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20079.53 |
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20083.53 |
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有抑鬱安寧患兒醫療的 |
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20083.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].end |
20086.53 |
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和維生醫療的意願書 |
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20086.53 |
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20089.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].text |
然後也有抑鬱醫療決定書 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].start |
20090.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].end |
20091.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].text |
這兩個 |
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20092.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].end |
20093.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].text |
加起來 |
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20093.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].end |
20095.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].text |
跟安樂死 |
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20095.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].end |
20099.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].text |
跟現在在討論的安樂死之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].start |
20100.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].end |
20101.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].text |
差距在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].start |
20101.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].end |
20102.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].text |
不同在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].start |
20103.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].end |
20106.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].text |
其實我們走的是尊嚴善忠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].start |
20106.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].end |
20108.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].text |
如果簡單國外的分法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].start |
20108.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].end |
20111.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].text |
我們現在所推動的都叫做Nature Death |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].start |
20111.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].end |
20114.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].text |
就是讓這個變成自然的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].start |
20114.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].end |
20119.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].text |
不要再多不必要的侵入性處置 |
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20119.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].end |
20123.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].text |
讓病人能夠安寧的疑似 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].start |
20123.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].end |
20126.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].text |
另外這個安樂死現在法案所提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].start |
20126.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].end |
20129.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].text |
那個叫做主動加工死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].start |
20129.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].end |
20130.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].text |
Assisted Death |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].start |
20130.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].end |
20132.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].text |
主動式我們不要講加工死亡 |
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20132.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].end |
20134.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].text |
因為加工死亡有立場 |
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20134.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].end |
20139.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].text |
就是一般來講就是講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].start |
20139.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].end |
20142.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].text |
主動式的安樂死 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].start |
20142.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].end |
20144.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].text |
那我們現在的 |
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20145.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].end |
20147.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].text |
照部長的講法 |
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20147.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].end |
20149.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].text |
我理解看看 |
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20149.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].end |
20152.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].text |
是不是其實我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].start |
20152.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].end |
20153.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].text |
一律醫療決定書 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].start |
20154.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].end |
20155.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].text |
就 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].start |
20156.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].end |
20160.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].text |
就相類似於 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].start |
20161.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].end |
20163.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].text |
A |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].start |
20164.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].end |
20166.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].text |
一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].start |
20165.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].end |
20167.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].text |
安樂死的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].start |
20167.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].end |
20168.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].text |
對如果真的要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].start |
20168.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].end |
20170.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].text |
他就是比較屬於消極性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].start |
20170.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].end |
20171.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].text |
對不對 |
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20171.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].end |
20172.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].text |
安樂死 |
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20172.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].end |
20175.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].text |
就是說沒有再加工的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].start |
20175.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].end |
20177.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].text |
對不需要去拖命 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].start |
20177.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].end |
20179.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].text |
不拖命的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].start |
20179.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].end |
20181.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].text |
其實我覺得就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].start |
20181.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].end |
20183.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].text |
安樂死的部分 |
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20183.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].end |
20185.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].text |
當然還必須要透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].start |
20185.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].end |
20187.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].text |
很專業的公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].start |
20187.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].end |
20192.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].text |
然後很嚴密的審查跟討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].start |
20192.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].end |
20195.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].text |
那我是希望部裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].start |
20195.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].end |
20198.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].text |
就一律醫療決定書 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].start |
20200.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].end |
20201.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].text |
的部分 |
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20201.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].end |
20203.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].text |
多加宣告 |
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20203.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].end |
20205.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].text |
其實 |
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20206.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].end |
20207.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].text |
我這樣講好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].start |
20207.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].end |
20209.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].text |
其實我是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].start |
20209.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].end |
20211.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].text |
一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].start |
20212.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].end |
20214.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].text |
陪伴媽媽 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].start |
20214.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].end |
20216.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].text |
十年的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].start |
20216.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].end |
20217.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].text |
我大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].start |
20217.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].end |
20219.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].text |
大概除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].start |
20219.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].end |
20220.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].text |
在台北過夜 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].start |
20220.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].end |
20221.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].text |
我是每天 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].start |
20221.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].end |
20223.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].text |
必須要跑五十公里 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].start |
20223.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].end |
20225.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].text |
往返看我媽媽的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].start |
20225.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].end |
20227.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].text |
我覺得人生到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].start |
20227.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].end |
20229.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].text |
最後一段路 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].start |
20229.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].end |
20231.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].text |
確實有很多病人 |
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20231.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].end |
20233.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].text |
其實他是 |
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20233.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].end |
20235.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].text |
並不想續命的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].start |
20235.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].end |
20236.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].text |
只是說 |
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20236.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].end |
20238.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].text |
只是說我們應該要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].start |
20239.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].end |
20241.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].text |
才算是尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].start |
20241.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].end |
20242.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].text |
尊重 |
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20243.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].end |
20245.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].text |
人的尊嚴 |
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20245.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].end |
20247.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].text |
然後兼顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].start |
20247.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].end |
20249.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].text |
兼顧家屬的情感 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].start |
20250.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].end |
20252.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].text |
還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].start |
20251.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].end |
20253.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].text |
病人的意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].start |
20253.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].end |
20255.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].text |
那這個我覺得安樂死的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].start |
20256.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].end |
20258.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].text |
可能還要很長的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].start |
20258.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].end |
20259.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].text |
希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].start |
20259.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].end |
20260.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].text |
部裡面這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].start |
20260.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].end |
20261.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].text |
可以就 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].start |
20261.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].end |
20262.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].text |
就 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].start |
20262.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].end |
20263.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].text |
一律醫療決定書的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].start |
20263.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].end |
20264.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].text |
的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].start |
20264.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].end |
20265.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].text |
多加推廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].start |
20265.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].end |
20267.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].text |
我們先來落實這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].start |
20267.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].end |
20268.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].text |
對 |
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20268.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6851].end |
20269.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6851].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].start |
20269.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].end |
20270.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].start |
20270.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].end |
20271.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].text |
因為很多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].start |
20271.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].end |
20272.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].text |
很多人會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].start |
20272.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].end |
20273.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].text |
會想做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].start |
20273.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].end |
20274.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].text |
可是他可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].start |
20274.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].end |
20275.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].text |
也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].start |
20275.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].end |
20277.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].text |
這個還必須要經過門診 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].start |
20277.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].end |
20278.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].start |
20278.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].end |
20279.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].text |
花一點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].start |
20279.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].end |
20280.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].text |
花一點精力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].start |
20280.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].end |
20281.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].text |
多加宣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].start |
20281.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].end |
20282.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].start |
20282.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].end |
20283.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].start |
20283.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].end |
20284.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].text |
我們再積極推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].start |
20284.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].end |
20285.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].text |
好謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].start |
20285.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].end |
20286.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].start |
20286.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].end |
20287.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].text |
好謝謝容若委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].start |
20287.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].end |
20289.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].text |
接下來請陳冠廷委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].start |
20301.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].end |
20303.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].text |
麻煩我們請主席請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].start |
20303.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].end |
20304.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].text |
有請時部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].start |
20309.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].end |
20310.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].text |
陳委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].start |
20310.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].end |
20311.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].start |
20311.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].end |
20313.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].text |
那首先還是要再次感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].start |
20313.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].end |
20314.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].text |
這一個主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].start |
20314.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].end |
20315.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].text |
我們趙偉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].start |
20315.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].end |
20316.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].text |
他特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].start |
20316.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].end |
20317.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].text |
在這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].start |
20317.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].end |
20318.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].text |
來安排 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].start |
20318.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].end |
20319.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].text |
針對安樂死的這個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].start |
20319.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].end |
20321.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].text |
那算是在我們本屆的第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].start |
20321.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].end |
20323.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].text |
能夠直接進到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].start |
20323.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].end |
20324.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].text |
這個討論的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].start |
20324.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].end |
20325.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].text |
在委員會裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].start |
20325.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].end |
20326.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].text |
開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].start |
20326.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].end |
20327.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].text |
針對這些條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].start |
20327.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].end |
20328.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].text |
來去做審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].start |
20328.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].end |
20329.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].text |
來去做討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].start |
20329.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].end |
20331.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].text |
那我認為這是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].start |
20331.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].end |
20332.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].text |
很重要的一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].start |
20332.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].end |
20333.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].text |
那其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].start |
20333.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].end |
20334.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].text |
剛才的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].start |
20334.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].end |
20335.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].text |
委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6894].start |
20335.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6894].end |
20336.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6894].text |
楊委員也 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].start |
20336.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].end |
20337.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].text |
特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].start |
20337.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].end |
20339.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].text |
包含安寧緩和醫療條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].start |
20339.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].end |
20341.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].text |
跟避人自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].start |
20341.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].end |
20343.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].text |
相關的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].start |
20343.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].end |
20344.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].text |
做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].start |
20344.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].end |
20346.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].text |
那其實我們都知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].start |
20346.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].end |
20348.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].text |
在安樂死之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].start |
20348.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].end |
20350.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].text |
我們有這兩個重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].start |
20350.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].end |
20351.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].text |
這個條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].start |
20351.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].end |
20353.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].text |
那相當程度的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].start |
20353.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].end |
20354.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].text |
也感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].start |
20354.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].end |
20357.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].text |
之前的這些立法院的前人們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].start |
20357.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].end |
20359.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].text |
能夠這麼用心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].start |
20359.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].end |
20360.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].text |
來去把 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].start |
20360.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].end |
20362.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].text |
我們能夠做自主的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].start |
20362.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].end |
20364.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].text |
慢慢的把它提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].start |
20364.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].end |
20365.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].text |
那但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].start |
20365.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].end |
20366.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].text |
除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].start |
20366.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].end |
20367.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].start |
20367.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].end |
20369.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].text |
除了預定醫療決定書 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].start |
20369.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].end |
20370.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].text |
以及預定安寧緩和醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].start |
20370.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].end |
20373.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].text |
暨衛生醫療的抉擇書之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].start |
20373.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].end |
20375.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].text |
那有一些的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].start |
20375.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].end |
20377.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].text |
它並不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].start |
20377.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].end |
20379.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].text |
能夠有這兩個相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].start |
20379.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].end |
20381.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].text |
條例來去解決的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].start |
20382.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].end |
20384.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].text |
我都同安寧醫療是非常重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].start |
20384.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].end |
20385.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].text |
為了支持衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].start |
20385.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].end |
20386.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].text |
它持續來去提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].start |
20386.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].end |
20388.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].text |
相關的品質跟可進性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].start |
20388.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].end |
20390.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].text |
但是我們不能因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].start |
20390.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].end |
20392.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].text |
只有安寧及病人自主的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].start |
20392.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].end |
20395.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].text |
就假設所有病人的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].start |
20395.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].end |
20397.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].text |
都已經得到回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].start |
20397.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].end |
20399.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].text |
所以我們這一次來提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].start |
20399.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].end |
20401.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].text |
相關的法案的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].start |
20401.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].end |
20403.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].text |
就是來針對安寧緩和醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].start |
20403.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].end |
20405.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].text |
跟病人自主權利法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].start |
20405.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].end |
20407.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].text |
還沒有辦法適用的邊界 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].start |
20407.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].end |
20408.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].text |
部長針對這樣子的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].start |
20408.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].end |
20409.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].text |
你 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].start |
20409.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].end |
20411.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].text |
至少在這個前提狀況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].start |
20411.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].end |
20412.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].text |
你是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].start |
20414.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].end |
20415.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].text |
我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].start |
20415.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].end |
20418.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].text |
我很詳細的看了委員的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].start |
20418.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].end |
20420.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].text |
其實是比較貼近 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].start |
20420.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].end |
20423.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].text |
現在世界上所合法安樂死的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].start |
20423.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].end |
20425.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].text |
國家的嚴謹版 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].start |
20425.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].end |
20427.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].text |
就是它的適用對象上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].start |
20427.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].end |
20429.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].text |
跟我們現在所推的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].start |
20429.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].end |
20431.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].text |
不論是在安寧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].start |
20431.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].end |
20433.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].text |
或者是在這個病主法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].start |
20433.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].end |
20434.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].text |
是比較貼近的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].start |
20434.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].end |
20438.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].text |
就是它的範圍是明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].start |
20438.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].end |
20440.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].text |
就是以生命末期 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].start |
20440.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].end |
20441.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].text |
為主要的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].start |
20441.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].end |
20443.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].text |
這個在我們行之多年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].start |
20443.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].end |
20445.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].text |
都對生命末期 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].start |
20445.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].end |
20447.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].text |
大家已經比較接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].start |
20447.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].end |
20449.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].text |
也比較有這個明確的認知 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].start |
20449.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].end |
20451.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].text |
部長針對這個部分我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].start |
20451.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].end |
20453.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].text |
同時也結合了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].start |
20453.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].end |
20454.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].text |
您的法案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].start |
20454.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].end |
20456.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].text |
也結合了這個安寧的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].start |
20456.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].end |
20458.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].text |
它也要接受一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].start |
20458.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].end |
20460.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].text |
安寧的療護的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].start |
20460.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].end |
20462.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].text |
我想這個也有考量到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].start |
20462.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].end |
20463.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].text |
當然還是有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].start |
20463.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].end |
20466.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].text |
大方向上我當然覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].start |
20466.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].end |
20468.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].text |
這個委員的這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].start |
20468.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].end |
20472.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].text |
我也某種程度上是認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].start |
20472.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].end |
20474.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].text |
只是還有一些細節的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].start |
20474.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].end |
20477.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].text |
應該可以再更深入的再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].start |
20477.5 |
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謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].start |
20478.5 |
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20480.5 |
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這也是我們首次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].start |
20480.5 |
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20482.5 |
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在這一次的會議裡面 |
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20482.5 |
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也首次聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].start |
20484.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].end |
20486.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].text |
為福布比較正面的回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].start |
20486.5 |
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20487.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].text |
我認為這是一個開始 |
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20487.5 |
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20489.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].text |
因為包含我自己的草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].start |
20489.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].end |
20491.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].text |
我認為都不需要納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].start |
20491.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].end |
20494.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].text |
各個部會的不同意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].start |
20494.5 |
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20496.5 |
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就連我們提出的草案來講好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].start |
20496.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].end |
20498.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].text |
其實有各種不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].start |
20498.5 |
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20500.5 |
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支持程度的差別 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].start |
20502.57 |
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20504.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].text |
包含有些是認為可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].start |
20504.57 |
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20506.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].text |
預立醫療決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].start |
20506.57 |
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20508.57 |
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就是預立安樂死的這個做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].start |
20508.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].end |
20510.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].text |
那這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].start |
20510.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].end |
20512.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].text |
我 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].start |
20511.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].end |
20513.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].text |
個人也還在思考當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].start |
20513.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].end |
20515.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].text |
就是說我們的安樂死的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].start |
20515.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].end |
20517.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].text |
適用範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].start |
20517.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].end |
20519.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].text |
跟適用期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].start |
20521.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].end |
20523.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].start |
20522.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].end |
20524.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].text |
我是比較重視就是必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].start |
20526.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].end |
20528.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].text |
在意識清晰的狀況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].start |
20528.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].end |
20530.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].text |
我想請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].start |
20530.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].end |
20532.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].text |
你針對這個部分你是怎麼看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].start |
20532.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].end |
20534.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].text |
你這個預定安樂死的法律界線 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].start |
20534.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].end |
20536.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].text |
的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].start |
20536.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].end |
20539.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].text |
因為這個越重大的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].start |
20539.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].end |
20542.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].text |
特別是休官生命的越重大的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].start |
20542.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].end |
20545.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].text |
那麼他的過程就必須越嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].start |
20545.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].end |
20546.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].text |
所以舉例而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].start |
20546.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].end |
20549.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].text |
如果是安寧緩和醫療的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].start |
20549.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].end |
20551.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].text |
他只針對不予急救 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].start |
20551.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].end |
20554.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].text |
那麼安寧緩和這個做決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].start |
20554.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].end |
20557.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].text |
那麼他的除了本人的意願之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].start |
20557.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].end |
20560.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].text |
他也有代理人可以來行使同意書 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].start |
20560.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].end |
20562.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].text |
本人的意願書 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].start |
20562.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].end |
20564.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].text |
或者是代理人的同意書 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].start |
20564.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].end |
20566.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].text |
可是到了病除法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].start |
20566.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].end |
20568.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].text |
因為他就不是只有末期病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].start |
20568.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].end |
20570.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].text |
他已經擴大到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].start |
20571.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].end |
20573.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].text |
嚴重的失智者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].start |
20573.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].end |
20575.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].text |
或者是不可逆的昏迷 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].start |
20575.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].end |
20577.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].text |
職務人狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].start |
20577.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].end |
20579.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].text |
還有其他的那麼喊病的條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].start |
20579.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].end |
20582.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].text |
所以他的過程就更嚴謹了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].start |
20582.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].end |
20584.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].text |
所以他就加入了一個需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].start |
20584.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].end |
20586.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].text |
醫療照護諮商 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].start |
20586.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].end |
20588.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].text |
那麼而且這個諮商的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].start |
20588.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].end |
20591.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].text |
還必須要有他的最近親屬的參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].start |
20591.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].end |
20595.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].text |
所以他這個決定的過程就要越嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].start |
20595.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].end |
20598.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].text |
然後到後面要啟動的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].start |
20598.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].end |
20600.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].text |
他的程序也比安寧 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].start |
20600.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].end |
20602.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].text |
又更嚴謹了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].start |
20602.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].end |
20605.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].text |
他需要有兩個相關的專科醫師判定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].start |
20605.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].end |
20607.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].text |
再經過兩次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].start |
20607.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].end |
20610.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].text |
以上的這個安寧團隊的召會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].start |
20610.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].end |
20613.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].text |
之後才啟動他的預立醫療決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].start |
20613.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].end |
20617.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].text |
所以越重大休觀生命這個終點的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].start |
20617.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].end |
20620.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].text |
那麼通常我們的程序上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].start |
20621.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].end |
20623.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].text |
就會更嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].start |
20623.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].end |
20626.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].text |
所以進入到這個所謂的加速了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].start |
20626.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].end |
20628.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].text |
這個安樂死就有點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].start |
20628.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].end |
20629.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].text |
更加速了一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].start |
20629.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].end |
20630.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].text |
更往前了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].start |
20630.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].end |
20633.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].text |
那這個過程當然就更多值得 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].start |
20633.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].end |
20636.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].text |
要去把它界定清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].start |
20636.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].end |
20639.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].text |
部長因為今天我們正式在進行委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].start |
20639.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].end |
20641.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].text |
在做這個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].start |
20641.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].end |
20642.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].start |
20642.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].end |
20644.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].text |
我希望說有書面的回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].start |
20644.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].end |
20646.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].text |
就是把我的草案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].start |
20646.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].end |
20648.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].text |
為不顧你們的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].start |
20650.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].end |
20652.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].text |
建議的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].start |
20652.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].end |
20654.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].text |
或者是你們覺得現在狀況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].start |
20654.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].end |
20657.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].text |
是不可行的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].start |
20657.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].end |
20659.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].text |
那必須要書面回覆給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].start |
20659.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].end |
20660.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].text |
那我們才有機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].start |
20660.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].end |
20663.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].text |
因為這種生命的議題我也不認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].start |
20663.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].end |
20665.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].text |
只在我們委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].start |
20665.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].end |
20667.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].text |
我以這個施加一分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].start |
20667.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].end |
20669.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].text |
是可以把它討論完的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].start |
20669.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].end |
20670.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].text |
但是這是一個開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].start |
20670.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].end |
20671.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].text |
那這個開始裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].start |
20671.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].end |
20674.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].text |
包含其他委員的各個的這個說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].start |
20674.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].end |
20677.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].text |
我希望會後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].start |
20677.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].end |
20678.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].text |
會後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].start |
20678.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].end |
20680.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].text |
我們限期一個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].start |
20680.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].end |
20682.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].text |
主席我們通常都是給衛福部多久的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].start |
20684.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].end |
20685.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].text |
因為這件事情比較重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].start |
20685.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].end |
20687.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].text |
我希望更完整的回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].start |
20687.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].end |
20688.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].text |
部長你覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].start |
20688.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].end |
20690.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].text |
你可以怎麼樣做很完整的回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].start |
20690.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].end |
20691.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].text |
包含我們部內 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].start |
20691.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].end |
20693.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].text |
署內的各個不同的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].start |
20693.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].end |
20694.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].text |
把它納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].start |
20694.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].end |
20695.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].text |
然後是要有一個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].start |
20695.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].end |
20697.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].text |
你們說一個時間點好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].start |
20697.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].end |
20699.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].text |
我們努力三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].start |
20699.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].end |
20701.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].text |
就針對委員的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].start |
20701.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].end |
20702.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].text |
不是全面性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].start |
20702.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].end |
20703.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].text |
三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].start |
20703.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].end |
20704.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].text |
那你要假設 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].start |
20704.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].end |
20706.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].text |
這個是會公開給所有人去檢視的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].start |
20706.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].end |
20707.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].text |
會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].start |
20707.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].end |
20709.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].text |
因為我們也得找及專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].start |
20709.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].end |
20712.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].text |
也不是只有我們行政單位的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].start |
20712.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].end |
20714.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].text |
那就真的是三個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].start |
20714.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].end |
20716.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].text |
必須要有一個很完整的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[7078].start |
20716.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7078].end |
20720.06 |
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不是我們的版本是針對委員的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].start |
20720.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].end |
20721.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].text |
針對我們的草案的不同意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].start |
20721.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].end |
20723.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].text |
還有你們專業意見要納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].start |
20723.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].end |
20724.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].start |
20724.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].end |
20727.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].text |
好謝謝陳冠廷委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].start |
20727.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].end |
20729.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].text |
王安祥委員王安祥委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].start |
20729.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].end |
20731.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].text |
王安祥委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].start |
20732.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].end |
20734.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].text |
鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].start |
20734.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].end |
20735.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].text |
鍾嘉斌委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].start |
20735.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].end |
20737.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].text |
陳慶龍委員陳慶龍委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].start |
20737.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].end |
20738.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].text |
陳慶龍委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].start |
20738.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].end |
20740.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].text |
詹爾琳委員詹爾琳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].start |
20740.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].end |
20742.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].text |
詹爾琳委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].start |
20742.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].end |
20744.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].text |
接下來我們請葉元之委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].start |
20757.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].end |
20759.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].text |
主席請衛福部長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].start |
20759.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].end |
20760.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].text |
有請市部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].start |
20762.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].end |
20763.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].text |
好我也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].start |
20763.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].end |
20765.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].text |
衛福部在這一次的問題由事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].start |
20765.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].end |
20766.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].text |
大概有兩個決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].start |
20766.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].end |
20767.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].text |
外界覺得非常奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].start |
20767.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].end |
20768.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].text |
所以最近大家在問說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].start |
20768.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].end |
20770.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].text |
到底是決策怎麼做出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].start |
20770.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].end |
20771.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].text |
第一個是7月3號的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].start |
20771.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].end |
20773.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].text |
跟大家講說第二層的食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].start |
20773.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].end |
20775.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].text |
業者也是受害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].start |
20775.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].end |
20776.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].text |
所以就不用下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].start |
20776.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].end |
20778.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].text |
然後也不用公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].start |
20778.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].end |
20779.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].text |
但後來改了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].start |
20780.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].end |
20781.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].text |
好這是第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].start |
20781.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].end |
20783.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].text |
第二個改的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].start |
20783.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].end |
20785.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].text |
第二層食品要下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].start |
20785.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].end |
20787.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].text |
但是20%成分以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].start |
20787.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].end |
20789.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].text |
不用下架不用公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].start |
20789.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].end |
20791.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].text |
我來請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].start |
20791.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].end |
20793.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].text |
在做出第一個決策的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].start |
20793.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].end |
20794.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].text |
那個時候有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].start |
20794.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].end |
20796.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].text |
那是決幾號的決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].start |
20796.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].end |
20797.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].text |
找玩家來講的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].start |
20797.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].end |
20798.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].text |
應該是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].start |
20798.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].end |
20800.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].text |
就是第一個時間我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].start |
20800.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].end |
20802.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].text |
6月30號接獲通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].start |
20802.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].end |
20804.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].text |
那麼7月1號就去查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].start |
20804.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].end |
20806.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].text |
那麼7月2號就根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].start |
20806.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].end |
20809.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].text |
在之前有訂定的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].start |
20809.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].end |
20811.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].text |
違規食品事件的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].start |
20811.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].end |
20813.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].text |
下架階層處理原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].start |
20813.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].end |
20815.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].text |
那個時候是第一層下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].start |
20815.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].end |
20816.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].text |
所以7月2號就宣布 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].start |
20816.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].end |
20818.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].text |
第一層的油品都下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].start |
20818.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].end |
20819.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].text |
部長出來講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].start |
20819.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].end |
20821.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].text |
第二層食品不用下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].start |
20821.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].end |
20823.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].text |
那個沒有專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].start |
20823.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].end |
20824.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].text |
沒有開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].start |
20824.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].end |
20826.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].text |
這是你直接宣布的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].start |
20826.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].end |
20827.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].text |
那個不是我宣布 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].start |
20827.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].end |
20828.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].text |
那個是食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].start |
20828.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].end |
20829.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].text |
食藥署就宣布了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].start |
20829.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].end |
20830.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].text |
還沒有專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].start |
20830.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].end |
20832.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].text |
就是先把第一層的油品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].start |
20832.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].end |
20833.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].text |
都下架了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].start |
20833.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].end |
20834.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].text |
但是那時候講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].start |
20834.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].end |
20835.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].text |
第二層不用下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7140].start |
20835.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7140].end |
20836.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7140].text |
大家現在動作慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7141].start |
20836.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7141].end |
20838.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7141].text |
不過當時候的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7142].start |
20838.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7142].end |
20839.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7142].text |
確實是沒有作成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7143].start |
20839.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7143].end |
20840.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7143].text |
不是啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].start |
20840.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].end |
20842.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].text |
那個當時也是專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[7145].start |
20842.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7145].end |
20844.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7145].text |
那個也是專家做出來的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7146].start |
20844.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7146].end |
20845.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7146].text |
然後那個專家的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].start |
20845.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].end |
20847.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].text |
是根據以前的專家的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7148].start |
20847.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7148].end |
20848.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7148].text |
然後做出這樣的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7149].start |
20848.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7149].end |
20849.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7149].text |
就很怪嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7150].start |
20849.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7150].end |
20851.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7150].text |
因為那時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].start |
20851.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].end |
20853.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].text |
蘇丹紅的事情的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7152].start |
20853.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7152].end |
20854.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7152].text |
蘇丹紅是三級致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].start |
20854.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].end |
20855.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].text |
他的第二層食品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7154].start |
20855.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7154].end |
20856.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7154].text |
馬上就下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7155].start |
20856.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7155].end |
20857.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7155].text |
但這一次是一級致癌物 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].start |
20857.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].end |
20859.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].text |
但第二層食品卻沒有下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].start |
20859.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].end |
20860.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].text |
那個是不得添加 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].start |
20860.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].end |
20861.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].text |
不是 關你後來為什麼還是下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].start |
20861.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].end |
20863.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].text |
代表你感覺這就是有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].start |
20863.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].end |
20866.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].text |
部長如果說後面你還是很堅持說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7161].start |
20866.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7161].end |
20867.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7161].text |
這個東西不應該下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7162].start |
20867.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7162].end |
20868.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7162].text |
那當然我們就沒什麼好講了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].start |
20868.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].end |
20870.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].text |
你後來那個賴總統也說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7164].start |
20870.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7164].end |
20871.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7164].text |
該下架就下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].start |
20871.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].end |
20872.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].text |
所以你們後來也下架了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].start |
20872.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].end |
20874.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].text |
代表你當初動作慢嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].start |
20874.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].end |
20875.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].text |
你如果第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].start |
20875.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].end |
20876.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].text |
第二層食品就下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].start |
20876.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].end |
20879.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].text |
大家那幾天不用多吃很多致癌物嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].start |
20879.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].end |
20881.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].text |
所以我們不需要去吵這個東西嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].start |
20881.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].end |
20882.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].text |
所以第一個決策就慢了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].start |
20882.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].end |
20883.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].text |
第二件事情是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].start |
20883.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].end |
20887.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].text |
那20%到底這個決策是怎麼做出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].start |
20887.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].end |
20888.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].text |
這是很多人關心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].start |
20888.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].end |
20891.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].text |
包括你們綠營的陳其邁市長也關心啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].start |
20891.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].end |
20892.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].text |
那所以這20% |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].start |
20892.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].end |
20894.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].text |
第一個為什麼是20% |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].start |
20894.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].end |
20895.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].text |
是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].start |
20895.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].end |
20896.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].text |
為什麼不是30% |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].start |
20896.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].end |
20898.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].text |
這是7月4號的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].start |
20898.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].end |
20900.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].text |
為什麼專家認為不是30% |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].start |
20900.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].end |
20902.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].text |
是20% 為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].start |
20902.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].end |
20904.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].text |
他們是根據他的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].start |
20904.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].end |
20907.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].text |
這個科學的證據跟風險的證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].start |
20907.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].end |
20908.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].text |
什麼科學的證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].start |
20910.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].end |
20911.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].text |
什麼科學的證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].start |
20911.3 |
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為什麼是30% |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].start |
20912.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].end |
20913.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].text |
不是10% |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].start |
20913.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].end |
20918.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].text |
如果是按照當年在訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].start |
20918.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].end |
20919.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].text |
其實當年訂的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].start |
20919.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].end |
20921.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].text |
也是參考了歐盟的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].start |
20921.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].end |
20923.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].text |
歐盟的標準值下架到第一層 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].start |
20923.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].end |
20924.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].text |
並沒有第二層 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].start |
20924.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].end |
20926.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].text |
我現在講的是20%啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].start |
20926.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].end |
20927.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].start |
20927.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].end |
20930.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].text |
那我們講的20%是第二層 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].start |
20930.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].end |
20931.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].text |
對 當然啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].start |
20931.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].end |
20932.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].text |
並不是在第一層 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].start |
20932.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].end |
20933.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].text |
我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].start |
20933.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].end |
20934.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].text |
所以第一層我們的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].start |
20934.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].end |
20935.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].text |
跟歐盟是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].start |
20935.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].end |
20938.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].text |
然後第二層的20%是怎麼訂出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].start |
20938.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].end |
20941.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].text |
就是由7月4號的專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].start |
20941.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].end |
20943.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].text |
去討論之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].start |
20943.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].end |
20947.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].text |
才提出包含第二層的原型油 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].start |
20947.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].end |
20951.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].text |
跟使用到20%的加工食品才去下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].start |
20951.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].end |
20952.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].text |
這個是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].start |
20952.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].end |
20954.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].text |
不是啦 你一直重複我的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].start |
20954.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].end |
20956.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].text |
你一直把我的問題再重複一遍而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].start |
20956.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].end |
20959.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].text |
我是問你說20% |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].start |
20959.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].end |
20961.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].text |
這個數字是怎麼訂出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].start |
20961.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].end |
20962.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].text |
為什麼不是30% |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].start |
20962.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].end |
20964.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].text |
不是10% 而是20% |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].start |
20964.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].end |
20965.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].text |
是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].start |
20965.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].end |
20967.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].text |
就是專家大家討論出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].start |
20967.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].end |
20969.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].text |
那專家是根據什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].start |
20969.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].end |
20970.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].text |
那是怎麼樣 半杯喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].start |
20970.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].end |
20972.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].text |
那是怎麼訂出來的20%嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].start |
20972.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].end |
20974.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].text |
是指骰子還是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].start |
20974.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].end |
20976.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].text |
那20%是怎麼訂出來的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].start |
20976.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].end |
20977.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].text |
大家一起討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].start |
20978.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].end |
20979.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].text |
我聽說好像是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].start |
20979.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].end |
20981.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].text |
因為你們那時候超標4倍啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].start |
20981.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].end |
20983.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].text |
所以如果20%的話就除以5% |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].start |
20983.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].end |
20984.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].text |
我就不超標了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].start |
20984.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].end |
20986.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].text |
當然是根據當時候的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].start |
20986.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].end |
20987.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].text |
就很粗糙嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].start |
20987.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].end |
20988.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].text |
所以現在大家才會講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].start |
20988.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].end |
20989.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].text |
到底怎麼訂的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].start |
20989.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].end |
20990.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].text |
就很粗糙 |
| transcript.whisperx[7231].start |
20990.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7231].end |
20991.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7231].text |
然後才會想要看會議紀錄嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].start |
20991.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].end |
20993.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].text |
那今天又被爆出來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].start |
20993.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].end |
20995.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].text |
那個時候中聯職的人在現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].start |
20995.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].end |
20996.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].text |
那部長你有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].start |
20997.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].end |
20998.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].text |
因為要看復工 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].start |
20998.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].end |
20999.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].text |
他要說明他的製程 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].start |
20999.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].end |
21000.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].text |
有沒有復工的機會嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].start |
21000.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].end |
21002.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].text |
你是說他在說明這件事情嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].start |
21002.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].end |
21003.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].start |
21003.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].end |
21004.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].text |
因為當時候的專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].start |
21004.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].end |
21006.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].text |
不是只有討論這個下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].start |
21006.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].end |
21007.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].text |
我知道喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].start |
21007.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].end |
21008.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].text |
因為我的時間有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].start |
21008.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].end |
21010.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].text |
所以我們不要去重複我的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].start |
21010.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].end |
21011.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].text |
就是我剛剛已經講了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].start |
21011.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].end |
21013.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].text |
他是來報告那件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].start |
21013.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].end |
21014.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].text |
他不是來參與20%討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].start |
21014.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].end |
21016.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].text |
但現在大家想要知道的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].start |
21016.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].end |
21019.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].text |
那請問一下他來就立刻離開嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].start |
21019.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].end |
21021.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].text |
還是那個會他從頭到尾都在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].start |
21021.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].end |
21022.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].text |
雖然他不是來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].start |
21022.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].end |
21023.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].text |
他在不在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].start |
21023.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].end |
21026.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].text |
後段討論到這個下架原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].start |
21026.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].end |
21027.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].text |
他就離席了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].start |
21027.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].end |
21028.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].text |
他報告完就離席了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].start |
21028.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].end |
21029.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].text |
報告完就走了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].start |
21029.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].end |
21030.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].text |
報告完就走了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].start |
21030.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].end |
21032.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].text |
那為什麼你要在同一個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].start |
21032.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].end |
21033.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].text |
安排這樣的議程 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].start |
21033.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].end |
21036.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].text |
關係人還可以到現場來報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].start |
21036.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].end |
21038.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].text |
為什麼不分兩個會議咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].start |
21038.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].end |
21040.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].text |
反正他就會遇到那些專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].start |
21040.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].end |
21042.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].text |
誰知道會不會在專家會議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].start |
21042.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].end |
21044.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].text |
他看到哪些專家去影響人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].start |
21044.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].end |
21046.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].text |
然後去在外面吃飯 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].start |
21046.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].end |
21047.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].text |
然後在外面碰到的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].start |
21047.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].end |
21049.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].text |
去跟人家聊天 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].start |
21049.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].end |
21051.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].text |
就是說你連這個東西都不會說避嫌 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].start |
21051.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].end |
21054.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].text |
你可以開兩個會嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].start |
21054.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].end |
21056.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].text |
一個會是針對中聯址 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].start |
21056.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].end |
21057.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].text |
要不要復工的會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].start |
21057.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].end |
21060.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].text |
另外一個會是討論20% |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].start |
21060.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].end |
21062.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].text |
或後續的議題的會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].start |
21062.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].end |
21063.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].text |
怎麼讓人家覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].start |
21063.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].end |
21065.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].text |
為什麼他可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].start |
21065.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].end |
21068.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].text |
跟這個同一天可以碰到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].start |
21068.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].end |
21070.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].text |
我覺得大家會質疑嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].start |
21070.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].end |
21071.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].text |
開會有效率啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].start |
21071.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].end |
21073.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].text |
其實要考慮到一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].start |
21073.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].end |
21076.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].text |
我期待再兩分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].start |
21076.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].end |
21077.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].text |
我問另外一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].start |
21077.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].end |
21080.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].text |
請那個國教署來一下好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].start |
21082.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].end |
21084.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].text |
國教署 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].start |
21084.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].end |
21085.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].text |
好一分鐘內國教署 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].start |
21085.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].end |
21086.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].text |
部長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].start |
21089.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].end |
21090.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].start |
21093.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].end |
21094.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].text |
這個署長啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].start |
21094.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].end |
21095.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].text |
今天台北市爆發一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].start |
21095.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].end |
21097.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].text |
非常誇張的一個校恩事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].start |
21097.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].end |
21099.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].text |
一個台北市的A生 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].start |
21099.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].end |
21101.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].text |
小一入學之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7292].start |
21101.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7292].end |
21103.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7292].text |
對老師都動出好幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7293].start |
21103.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7293].end |
21105.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7293].text |
累計校恩通報高達100次以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7294].start |
21105.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7294].end |
21107.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7294].text |
今年上半年就46次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7295].start |
21107.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7295].end |
21109.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7295].text |
然後攻擊同學58次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7296].start |
21109.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7296].end |
21111.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7296].text |
破壞公務18次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7297].start |
21111.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7297].end |
21113.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7297].text |
結果現在學校完全對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7298].start |
21113.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7298].end |
21115.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7298].text |
沒有任何的辦法可以處理他 |
| transcript.whisperx[7299].start |
21115.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7299].end |
21116.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7299].text |
沒有任何的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7300].start |
21116.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7300].end |
21118.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7300].text |
結果老師國三 |
| transcript.whisperx[7301].start |
21118.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7301].end |
21120.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7301].text |
三年級的老師崩潰啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7302].start |
21120.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7302].end |
21121.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7302].text |
揚言自殘 |
| transcript.whisperx[7303].start |
21121.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7303].end |
21123.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7303].text |
四年級的老師脊椎受傷 |
| transcript.whisperx[7304].start |
21124.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7304].end |
21125.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7304].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7305].start |
21125.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7305].end |
21127.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7305].text |
這個我之前在其他地方跟你討論很多次啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7306].start |
21127.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7306].end |
21129.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7306].text |
現在這個東西已經變常態了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7307].start |
21129.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7307].end |
21131.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7307].text |
我覺得國教署因為今天這個時間關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[7308].start |
21131.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7308].end |
21133.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7308].text |
國教署一定要重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[7309].start |
21133.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7309].end |
21135.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7309].text |
第二件事情韓國現在很多縣市已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[7310].start |
21135.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7310].end |
21137.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7310].text |
地方政府已經成立教權局 |
| transcript.whisperx[7311].start |
21137.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7311].end |
21139.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7311].text |
當然不是跟鐵拳教育一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7312].start |
21139.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7312].end |
21140.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7312].text |
找一個人去動出 |
| transcript.whisperx[7313].start |
21140.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7313].end |
21142.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7313].text |
而是說當老師面臨到這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[7314].start |
21142.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7314].end |
21144.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7314].text |
被學生霸凌的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[7315].start |
21144.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7315].end |
21145.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7315].text |
我們怎麼在行政支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[7316].start |
21145.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7316].end |
21148.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7316].text |
精神支持跟法律支持的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7317].start |
21148.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7317].end |
21149.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7317].text |
給老師支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[7318].start |
21149.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7318].end |
21151.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7318].text |
不然現在當老師風險這麼高 |
| transcript.whisperx[7319].start |
21151.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7319].end |
21153.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7319].text |
被學生打 |
| transcript.whisperx[7320].start |
21153.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7320].end |
21155.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7320].text |
那這些學生你現在到底要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7321].start |
21155.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7321].end |
21157.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7321].text |
因為只要一個這個學生全班毀了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7322].start |
21157.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7322].end |
21158.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7322].text |
連老師都毀了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7323].start |
21158.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7323].end |
21160.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7323].text |
所以請你們再仔細思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7324].start |
21160.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7324].end |
21162.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7324].text |
我提的校園安全法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[7325].start |
21162.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7325].end |
21164.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7325].text |
好不好趕快找時間來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7326].start |
21164.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7326].end |
21165.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7326].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7327].start |
21165.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7327].end |
21166.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7327].text |
謝謝葉言之委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7328].start |
21166.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7328].end |
21167.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7328].text |
簡單回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7329].start |
21167.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7329].end |
21169.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7329].text |
那簡單回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7330].start |
21169.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7330].end |
21171.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7330].text |
沈柏楊委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7331].start |
21171.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7331].end |
21173.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7331].text |
沈柏楊委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7332].start |
21173.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7332].end |
21176.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7332].text |
那接下來我們要做會議宣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7333].start |
21179.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7333].end |
21182.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7333].text |
會議詢答全部結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[7334].start |
21182.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7334].end |
21183.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7334].text |
現在做一下決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7335].start |
21183.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7335].end |
21185.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7335].text |
第一說明及詢答完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7336].start |
21185.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7336].end |
21188.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7336].text |
第二委員質詢未及答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7337].start |
21188.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7337].end |
21189.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7337].text |
或請補充資料者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7338].start |
21189.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7338].end |
21192.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7338].text |
請相關機關於兩週內 |
| transcript.whisperx[7339].start |
21192.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7339].end |
21193.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7339].text |
以書面答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[7340].start |
21193.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7340].end |
21195.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7340].text |
委員命要求期限者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7341].start |
21195.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7341].end |
21196.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[7341].text |
重啟鎖定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7342].start |
21196.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7342].end |
21200.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7342].text |
委員許心儀 傅坤琪 蘇清泉 沈柏楊 吳宗憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[7343].start |
21200.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7343].end |
21203.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7343].text |
所提書面資料列入記錄刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[7344].start |
21204.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[7344].end |
21209.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[7344].text |
委員陳冠廷等18人凝聚安樂死法的草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].start |
21209.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].end |
21211.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].text |
及台灣民眾黨民聚 |
| transcript.whisperx[7346].start |
21212.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7346].end |
21215.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7346].text |
黨團凝聚尊嚴善終法草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].start |
21215.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].end |
21217.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].text |
尚未審查完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].start |
21217.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].end |
21219.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].text |
另擇期繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].start |
21219.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].end |
21220.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].text |
本次會議到此結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[7350].start |
21220.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7350].end |
21221.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7350].text |
現在散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].start |
21223.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].end |
21225.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].text |
10分鐘後與本會議是進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].start |
21225.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].end |
21228.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].text |
《淹害防治法》部分條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].start |
21228.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].end |
21229.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].text |
黨團協商會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7354].start |
21229.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7354].end |
21230.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7354].text |
謝謝 |