| IVOD_ID |
17626 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17626 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-29T08:30:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-29T12:36:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:05:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3eaa76b52104d1e2e9c8bd51cfe4d9463a4b5b204f4a37948b9fd57d79f95a4a0085ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員、內政部部長、法務部、警政署、移民署、財團法人海峽交流基金會就「國人赴陸失聯情況及政府因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請內政部部長、警政署署長就「『萊爾校長』小編遭警突襲查水表事件，檢視警察執法標準與行政中立」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:54 - 12:36:00 |
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1765.81 |
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1767.81 |
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請主任秘書報告出席人數 |
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1768.73 |
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1771.73 |
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報告委員會出席委員9人與組法定人數 |
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1771.73 |
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1773.73 |
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現在開會進行報告事項 |
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1773.73 |
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1775.73 |
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請宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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1776.06 |
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1781.06 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期內政委員會第十九次全體委員會議議事錄 |
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1781.06 |
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1783.06 |
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時間115年7月16日星期四 |
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1783.06 |
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1785.06 |
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上午9時至11時45分 |
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1785.06 |
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1787.06 |
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地點紅樓202會議室 |
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1787.06 |
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1789.06 |
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出席委員許中信委員等11人 |
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1789.06 |
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1791.06 |
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列席委員楊秋英委員等7人 |
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1791.06 |
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1794.06 |
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請教委員丁學忠、高晶、宋美委員2人 |
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1794.06 |
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1798.06 |
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列席官員中央選舉委員會主任委員游盈龍及相關人員 |
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1798.06 |
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1801.06 |
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內政部常務次長吳唐安及相關人員 |
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1801.06 |
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1804.06 |
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法務部主任秘書余麗貞及相關人員 |
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1804.06 |
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1808.06 |
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數位發展部數位產業署署長林俊秀及相關人員 |
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1808.06 |
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1813.06 |
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國家通訊傳播委員會電台與內容事務處檢認視察黃才正 |
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1813.06 |
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1815.06 |
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主席廖昭吉委員先詳 |
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1815.06 |
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1816.06 |
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報告事項 |
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1816.06 |
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1821.06 |
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一、邀請內政部部長、警政署署長、法務部次長就115年11月28日 |
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1821.06 |
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1825.06 |
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地方公職人員選舉選務維安請務工作規劃 |
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1825.06 |
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1827.06 |
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進行專題報告並被質詢 |
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1827.06 |
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1830.06 |
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二、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員 |
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1830.06 |
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1835.06 |
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內政部部長、警政署署長、法務部次長數位發展部國家通訊傳播委員會 |
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1835.06 |
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1839.06 |
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就115年11月28日地方公職人員選舉選務整備 |
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1839.06 |
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1845.06 |
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選務中立、假訊息因應作為與公民投票選務辦理情形進行專題報告並被質詢 |
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1845.06 |
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1847.06 |
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報告事項及討論事項合併詢答 |
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1847.06 |
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1851.06 |
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中央選舉委員會主任委員游盈龍、內政部常務次長吳唐安 |
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1851.06 |
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1856.06 |
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法務部主任秘書余麗貞報告委員許宗信等13人質詢 |
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1856.06 |
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1860.06 |
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分別由中央選舉委員會主任委員游盈龍及相關人員 |
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1860.06 |
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1864.06 |
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法務部主任秘書余麗貞、內政部常務次長吳唐安及相關人員 |
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1864.06 |
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1868.06 |
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數位發展部數位產業發展署署長林俊秀答覆說明 |
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1868.06 |
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1871.06 |
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決定一、選舉委員會主任委員會主任 |
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1871.06 |
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1873.06 |
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選舉委員會主任 |
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1873.06 |
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1875.06 |
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選舉委員會主任 |
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1875.06 |
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1877.06 |
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選舉委員會主任 |
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1877.06 |
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1879.06 |
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選舉委員會主任 |
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1879.06 |
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1881.06 |
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選舉委員會主任 |
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1881.06 |
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1883.06 |
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選舉委員會主任 |
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1883.06 |
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1885.06 |
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選舉委員會主任 |
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1870.39 |
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1874.39 |
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登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢,巡達結束 |
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1874.39 |
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1878.39 |
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二、委員李柏藝、蘇巧慧、高清樹美、許金銀、金學忠、傅坤琪 |
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1878.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
1883.39 |
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吳宗憲、蘇清泉等8人所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報 |
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1883.39 |
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1887.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
三、書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關機關於 |
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1887.92 |
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1890.92 |
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一、一週內另以書面答覆並複製本會 |
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1890.92 |
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1891.92 |
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討論事項 |
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1891.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1897.92 |
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一、繼續審查委員羅志強等18人擬據公民投票法第23條條文修正草案案 |
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1897.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1904.92 |
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二、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬據公民投票法第21條及第43條條文修正草案案 |
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1904.92 |
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1911.92 |
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三、審查委員葉元芝等19人及廖維祥等16人分別擬據公民投票法第23條條文修正草案案 |
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1911.92 |
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1917.92 |
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四、審查委員賴世保等25人擬據公民投票法第21條條文修正草案案 |
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1917.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1918.92 |
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決議討論事項 |
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1918.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1921.92 |
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所列議案均另定期繼續審查 |
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1921.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1922.92 |
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宣讀完畢 |
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1925.16 |
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1927.16 |
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好,我們待會再確認意識錄 |
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1927.16 |
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1929.16 |
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現在繼續進行報告事項,請宣讀 |
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1930.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1933.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
報告事項二,邀請大陸委員會主任委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1933.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1942.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
內政部部長、法務部警政署、移民署、財團法人海峽交流基金會就國人附陸失聯情況及政府因應作為進行專題報告並被質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1942.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1948.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
三、邀請內政部部長、警政署署長、就萊爾校長小編遭警突襲查水表事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1948.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1952.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
檢視警察執法標準與行政中立進行專題報告並被質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1952.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1953.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1957.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1959.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
好,首先介紹我們在場委員喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1959.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1960.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
現場有王美慧委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1964.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1967.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
好,我們立席光源有大陸委員會邱垂政主任委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1969.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1971.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
內政部劉世芳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1971.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1973.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
警政署張榮青署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1974.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1976.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
刑事警察邱少洲局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1978 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1980 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
移民署林鴻恩署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1980.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1982.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
法務部余力貞主任秘書 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1984.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1988.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
財團法人海霞交流基金會羅文嘉副董事長兼秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1993.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1997.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
好,現在進行報告,請陸委會邱垂政主任委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
2004.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
2008.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
主席、各位委員、各位女士、各位先生,大家早、大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
2008.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
2015.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
成本貴委員會的邀請,針對國人附入失聯情況及政府因應作為進行專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
2016.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
2019.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
以下簡單三個重點來跟大家報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
2021.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
2028.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
中共持續徵修國安相關法令,嚴重威脅國人附入的人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
2028.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
2035.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
中共於2024年開始發佈成讀22條,並設置成讀舉報信箱 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
2035.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
2039.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
對我附入港澳的國人造成極大的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
2039.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
2041.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
政府也在 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
2042.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
2050.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
相關的時間,調升附入港澳的旅遊景色為橙色,建議國人避免非必要的旅行 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
2050.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
2056.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
在近年來,我們可以看到中國大陸持續強化總體的國家安全觀 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
2056.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2062.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
膨脹國安的定義,持續頻繁修訂各種國安法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
2062.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
2070.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
包括數據安全法、個人訊息保護法、反間諜法、保守國家秘密法、網路安全法 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
2070.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2077.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
還有發佈相關的一些行政作為,還有相關的規範辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
2077.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2085.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
明確的分裂國家、顛覆國家政權、恐怖活動及勾結外國勢力等罪行,鼓勵民眾舉報 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
2086.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
2095.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
此外,更規範國安機關可以依法查驗個人跟組織電子設備,要求協助解密及檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2095.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2098.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
還有調取電子設備內容等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
2098.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2105.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
此後,又在今年7月1日開始實施民族團結進步促進法 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
2105.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2107.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
讓我們簡稱促進法 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
2107.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
2114.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
每個台灣人都會被賦予維護民族團結及促進國家統一的法律義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
2115.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
2117.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
促進法,創設 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
2118.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2129.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
它相關的法律是在維護民族團結、增進民族認同的法律義務,並適用於所有的中國公民 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2129.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2134.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
任何台灣人非統計獨,處罰的範圍非常的廣泛 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
2134.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2142.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
而且法律概念極度模糊,流比主觀的裁量的法律概念,不確定的法律概念太多 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2142.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2148.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
比如說,什麼叫破壞民族團結?製造民族分裂,不利於民族團結進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2148.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2159.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
並鼓勵各界檢舉來打壓議題,迫使我們民眾會產生寒蟬效應,只能夠無止盡的進行自我審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2159.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2164.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
促進法代表中共對台的法律戰,已經從反毒轉向促統 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
2165.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2169.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
從過去的以傷逼政,已經轉為以法促統 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2169.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2176.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
促進法的實施,不僅對我們附陸國人的人身安全,加了一層威脅 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2176.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2183.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
也對每一個在世界各地生活的台灣人套上了一道法律的枷鎖 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
2185.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
2193.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
第二,國人附陸失聯,遭留置盤查,以及遭關押限制人身自由等目前的現況 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
2194.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
2197.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
跟大家報告本會最新的統計資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
2197.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
2214.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
113年1月到現在7月22日止,經通報國人附陸失聯,遭留置盤查,還有遭限制人身自由,總計有402人 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
2214.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
2219.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
進一步分析,110年,就是2024年有55件 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
2219.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
2227.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
到了去年就升高到221人,可以說成長了四倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
2227.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
2232.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
今年從1月到7月,也達到了126人 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
2233.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
2237.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
而且我們這些都是國人通報的案件顯示 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
2237.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
2242.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
從2024年就是113年,平均每月只有4個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
2242.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
2251.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
但是去年就高達每月有18個人,那一直到今年還是有每月16個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
2251.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
2259.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
可見這個增加的數字還是非常高,國人附陸的風險急劇的攀升 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
2259.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
2266.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
所以政府有義務向國人提出風險警示,並且加強各種的協助措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
2266.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
2273.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
我們從剛剛上述所說的,這些通報案件已經累計了402件 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
2273.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
2280.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
我們依照各種的類別,來分別說明它的各種的類型 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
2280.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
2288.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
其中包括通報失聯的有154人,遭留置盤查的有32人 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
2288.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
2293.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
遭陸方關押限制人身自由的有216人 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
2293.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
2299.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
其中這216人裡面,涉詐騙的案件有134人 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
2299.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
2307.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
還有其他刑事案件有58人,涉宗教案件有23人,涉國安案件有1人 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
2307.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
2313.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
我們觀察這些案件還有類型,在留置盤查的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
2313.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
2320.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
需要檢查手機內容或隨身物品,如果有發生國人在觀光景點拍照 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
2321.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
2326.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
也出現了遭陸方公安人員留置盤查 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
2326.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
2334.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
或者是在下榻的旅館,遭到陸方人員進入房間訊問,並檢查隨身行李 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
2335.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
2341.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
還有查翻手機內容,金錢支付的狀況等情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
2341.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
2343.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
類似的案件,包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
2344.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
2351.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
選手專家,附陸專業交流,退休或是限職公務人員,以及一般國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
2351.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
2357.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
不過,在這個類型裡面,以限職或退休的公務人員身份居多 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
2358.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
2360.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
那麼,比例達到百分之 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
2361.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
2368.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
將近有一半,顯示我們公務人員因私人行程或附陸旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
2368.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
2372.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
容易遭到中共重點的盤查訊問 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
2372.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
2377.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
而在限職人身自由方面,因為涉及到詐騙或其他的刑事案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
2377.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
2384.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
以及宗教跟國安案件四類,觀察近期這些案件的趨勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
2384.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
2392.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
仍然有逐漸增加,值得我們關注,再來提醒我們國人附陸的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
2393.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
2397.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
第三,我們政府的因應作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
2397.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
2405.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
本會在接獲家屬陳情之後,我們都會入案追蹤案情的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
2405.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
2409.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
並且在尊重家屬及當事人的意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
2409.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
2415.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
我們會協同海基會適時進行家庭的訪視跟關懷 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
2415.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
2420.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
實際了解家屬的需求,以及當事人附陸的遭遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
2420.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
2424.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
我們用實際行動進行關懷,如果有特別的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
2424.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
2428.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
例如他的身份、職業地點、附陸、從事的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
2428.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
2432.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
政府也會以去識別化的方式對外提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
2432.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
2436.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
相關的案件寫處如下,在私聯的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
2436.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
2441.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
私聯的部分,在最近的數字是有明顯攀升 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
2441.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
2445.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
那麼我們會了解私聯的原因,以及可能的目的之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
2445.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
2449.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
會透過兩案兩會的管道請路發協查 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
2449.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
2453.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
以確定當事人的行蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
2453.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
2458.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
在遭到留置盤查的部分,我們會確認當事人的現況 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
2459.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
2466.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
了解事發的情形,在於當事人的訴求提供適當的協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
2466.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
2469.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
在遭到關押限制人身自由的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
2469.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
2473.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
我們第一時間都會透過兩案共打 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
2473.04 |
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2482.04 |
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還有司法互助協議的相關機制,以及兩案兩會的管道向路方查詢 |
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2482.04 |
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2486.04 |
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如果有對我國人限制人身自由的情勢 |
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2486.04 |
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2491.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
我們都會要求應儘速向我方進行通報,及提供家屬 |
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2491.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
2493.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
探視便利,以及保護其合法權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
2494.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
2499.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
對於涉及國安及宗教的活動,遭路方關押這些特殊案件 |
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2499.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
2507.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
我們也會透過各種多元的管道去識別化,公開揭露路方不合理的作為 |
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2507.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
2511.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
讓國人留意相關的風險,注意自身的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
2513.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
2521.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
為確保國人附入人身安全及相關權益的維護,本會也有下列的具體措施 |
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2521.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
2525.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
第一個,是海基會的緊急服務專線 |
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2525.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
2532.51 |
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我們24小時全年無休,結合台灣、大陸、香港、澳門等相關的團體 |
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2532.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
2539.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
之服務網絡及政府相關的資源,國人在路發生人身安全的緊急事件 |
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2540.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
2546.17 |
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我們可以說是24小時全年無休,提供各種的諮詢服務及協助 |
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2546.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
2551.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
像海基會去年就接聽了5940通電話 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
2551.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
2555.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
我想羅秘書長待會會跟大家做更詳細的說明 |
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2555.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
2559.17 |
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此外,我們也提供附路 |
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2559.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
2576.39 |
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我們從103年開始,立法院決議,本會委託電信業者以電話簡訊方式發送政府24小時緊急服務專線電話 |
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2576.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
2584.39 |
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國人持有具國際漫遊功能的手機附路港澳時,首次開機就會收到這些資訊 |
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2584.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
2589.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
第三,陸委會也有免費的法律諮詢服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
2589.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
2595.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
本會在台北、中區、南區服務處設有義務律師 |
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2595.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
2601.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
提供兩岸民眾、刑事、行政訴訟有關人身安全法律的諮詢服務 |
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2602.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
2608.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
另外,我們也會加強宣導提醒國人留意附路的相關風險 |
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2608.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
2616.59 |
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陸委會、海基會都會利用各種的例行記者會、官網、FBIG等多元管道 |
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2616.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
2623.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
持續加強宣導各種的服務措施以及風險的預警 |
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2624.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
2635.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
另外,國人附路港澳也呼籲國人應該在動態登錄系統填寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
2635.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
2640.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
以保護自己的人身安全遇到事情的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
2640.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
2643.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
政府也可以及時提供相關的協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
2643.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
2652.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
當然,我們也會發布旅遊警示來呼籲國人都能夠了解目前的風險等級 |
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2652.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
2656.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
現在還是維持陳設的警示 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
2656.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
2660.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
另外,我們也會透過所有的必要的手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
2660.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
2669.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
包括透過各旅行公協會、航空公司、醫療後送機構以及各地的台商協會 |
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2670.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
2673.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
或者是當事人所在的公司等多元的管道 |
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2673.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
2679.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
以公司協力方式向路方查詢了解個案的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
2679.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
2682.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
以立項路方了解國人在路的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
2682.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
2687.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
提供國人必要的協助及時保護國人相關的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
2687.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
2692.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
最後,要跟大家報告的是我們有六項結語 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
2694.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
2696.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
兩岸關係跌宕起伏 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
2696.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
2700.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
但是,國人人身安全是政府施政的重中之重 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
2701.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
2705.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
政府有責任提醒國人注意自身的安危 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
2705.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
2708.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
也會加強協助應處措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
2710.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
2712.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
本會所公布的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
2712.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
2719.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
皆是當事人或親友向本會、警察機關陳情或報案的統計 |
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2719.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
2721.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
每一件都有評有據 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
2722.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
2723.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
第三 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
2723.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
2725.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
相關案件的統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
2725.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
2730.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
不僅皆是國人目前復路所面對人身安全風險有升高的趨勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
2730.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
2734.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
也有促使中共落實相關機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
2734.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
2738.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
並重視保障台灣民眾復路的人身安全的作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
2740.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
2740.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
第三 |
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2741.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
2742.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
我們要依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
2742.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
2743.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
兩岸共打協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
2744.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
2748.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
即使當事人因案遭到刑事拘捕 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
2748.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
2752.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
中共仍應向我方通報說明當事人所示的案由 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
2752.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
2754.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
其他失聯的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
2754.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
2759.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
再接到我們海基會或家屬報案協助巡查 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
2759.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
2760.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
那麼我們也希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
2761.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
2763.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
路方能夠依照相關的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
2763.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
2765.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
向我方提供相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
2766.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
2768.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
2768.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
2770.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
那麼過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
2770.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
2773.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
中共方面常常片面經歷政治因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
2774.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
2777.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
持續干擾兩岸共打協議的正常運動 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
2777.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
2778.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
的運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
2778.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
2780.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
拒絕提供完整的資訊通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
2780.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
2783.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
放任非官方的訊息到處流算 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
2783.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
2784.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
2785.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
2788.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
台灣家屬無法辨識是不是遇到詐騙 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
2788.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
2791.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
這種做法顯然無視台灣民眾的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
2792.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
2794.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
對於我們而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
2794.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
2795.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
要跟大家報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
2795.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
2796.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
每個出事的個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
2796.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
2798.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
對他的家庭來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
2798.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
2800.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
都不是萬分之幾 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
2800.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
2802.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
而是全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
2802.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
2804.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
即使有一個台灣人遇險 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
2805.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
2807.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
政府都有責任跟義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
2807.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
2810.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
來協助釐清當事人的安危與下落 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
2811.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
2814.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
最後本會所揭露的統計數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
2814.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
2816.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
多可能只是冰山一角 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
2816.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
2819.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
事實上沒有跟我們通報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
2819.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
2821.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
沒有報案的人可能更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
2821.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
2824.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
所以政府要再次重申 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
2824.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
2828.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
台灣的法律沒有限制民眾去中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
2828.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
2831.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
但是政府有責任提醒國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
2831.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
2834.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
父母可能遇到的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
2835.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
2836.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
以上報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
2836.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
2837.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
敬請指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
2837.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
2838.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
謝謝各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
2843.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
2846.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
我們接下來請內政部長劉世芳報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
2846.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
2848.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
兩項專題報告請一併報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
2854.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
2855.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
2855.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
2858.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
各位委員女士先生大家早 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
2858.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
2860.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
今天就兩項專題報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
2860.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
2862.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
分別說明如下 |
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2862.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
2864.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
有關第一案的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
2864.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
2867.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
是國人附路失聯的情形及因應的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
2867.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
2870.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
中國大陸在近十年陸續制定 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
2870.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
2872.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
施行國安法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
2872.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
2874.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
如104年的國家安全法 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
2874.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
2877.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
106年的國家情報法 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
2877.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
2879.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
112年的反間諜法 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
2879.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
2882.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
113年保守國家秘密法 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
2882.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
2885.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
以及114年的宗教教職人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
2885.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
2887.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
網路行為規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
2887.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
2890.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
還有115年民族團結促進 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
2891.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
2893.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
進步促進法等 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
2893.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
2897.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
致國人附中國大陸交流的風險持續提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
2898.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
2902.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
陸委會已經將中國大陸旅遊警示提升為成色 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
2902.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
2905.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
建議國人避免非必要旅行 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
2905.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
2908.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
國人附路失聯情形及本部 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
2908.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
2910.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
內政部的相關作為如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
2910.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
2914.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
第一個我們持續推動事前多元的宣導措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
2914.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
2918.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
第一個內政部在114年4月的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
2918.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
2921.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
啟用附中國交流資訊的公開專區 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
2921.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
2925.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
並且持續預請民選公職人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
2925.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
2929.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
人民團體以及國內宗教團體出發前 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
2929.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
2931.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
可以主動進行資訊的登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
2931.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
2934.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
以確保人員與交流的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
2934.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
2937.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
截至115年7月24日止 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
2937.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
2942.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
即完成登錄的民選公職人員有1092人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
2942.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
2944.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
包含直轄市縣市長3人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
2944.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
2947.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
直轄市縣市議員67人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
2947.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
2950.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
鄉鎮市區長長官13人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
2950.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
2953.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
鄉鎮市區民意代表452人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
2953.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
2955.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
村里長有557人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
2956.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
2961.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
也有132家宗教團體5983人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
2961.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
2967.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
還有115個人民團體集合作社1305人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
2967.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
2972.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
第二本部業已透過正式的公文、網站、社群媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
2972.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
2975.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
座談會以及講習會等等多元的管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
2975.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
2977.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
提醒國內宗教團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
2978.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
2981.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
到中國大陸並沒有真正的宗教自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
2981.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
2984.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
應該注意個人的資料保護及自身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
2984.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
2988.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
依據財團法人海峽交流基金會的統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
2988.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
2992.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
108年迄今 即有23件25名國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
2992.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
2995.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
因為宗教原因在中國大陸被拘禁 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
2995.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
2999.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
其中又以一貫道為大宗 即有19案20人 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
2999.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
3002.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
另外自115年6月起 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
3002.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
3005.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
街頭陸委會在全國各縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
3005.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
3009.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
辦理宗教團體負責人政策宣導座談會 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
3009.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
3014.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
說明赴中國大陸從事宗教交流可能面臨的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
3014.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
3018.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
加強宣導兩岸宗教交流應該注意的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
3018.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
3022.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
第三 內政部在人民團體的例行會晤 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
3022.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
3024.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
經營管理研習當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
3024.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
3028.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
每一年也都會邀請陸委會派員來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
3028.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
3030.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
兩岸交流實務應該注意的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
3030.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
3033.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
提醒各團體務必遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
3033.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
3037.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
台灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例等相關規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
3037.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
3040.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
並且分享實務上易觸法的情境 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
3040.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
3044.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
宣導赴中國大陸資訊的公開登錄事宜 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
3045.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
3049.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
第二大項 強化公務員附陸風險的預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
3049.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
3053.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
經查內政部所屬公務員近期赴中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
3053.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
3055.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
亦有遭留置盤查的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
3055.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
3059.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
如限職及退休員警附陸旅遊期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
3059.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
3062.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
遭自稱國安人員盤查後 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
3062.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
3064.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
待往其他酒店隔離詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
3064.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
3067.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
除要求交出手機查看證件 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
3067.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
3073.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
並且詢問有關我國關鍵基礎設施防護相關工作資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
3073.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
3075.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
以及家庭成員概況 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
3075.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
3079.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
留置約談約六小時造成同仁身心恐懼 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
3079.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
3082.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
此外移民署的同仁也曾於在附陸時 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
3082.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
3088.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
遭世類人員進行騷擾盤查留置或扣留行動裝置 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
3088.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
3092.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
顯示公務員附陸具有高度人身的安全風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
3092.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
3094.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
第二 為了維護同仁安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
3094.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
3095.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
內政部持續宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
3095.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
3100.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
如需附陸應遵守相關法令及留意人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
3100.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
3105.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
並且到陸委會國人附陸港澳動態登錄系統登錄行程 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
3105.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
3107.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
如有異常事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
3107.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
3110.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
內政部要亦將配合通報協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
3111.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
3112.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
結語的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
3112.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
3116.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
國人附陸從事交流洽公或探親等活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
3116.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
3119.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
不論身份為一般民眾或公務員 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
3119.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
3121.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
均可能面臨風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
3121.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
3125.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
內政部將持續強化相關的宣導作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
3125.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
3127.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
呼籲國人附陸前主動登陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
3127.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
3131.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
赴中國交流資訊公開專區等系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
3131.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
3135.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
附陸期間如果遇突發或者緊急事件時後 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
3135.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
3140.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
得以及時提供必要協助與服務守護國人安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
3140.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
3142.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
以上這是第一案的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
3142.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
3144.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
有關第二案的部分也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
3144.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
3146.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
各位委員女士先生大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
3146.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
3153.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
近年來生成式的人工智慧及深度偽造技術快速發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
3153.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
3156.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
已經成為新型態的治安議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
3156.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
3158.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
當身為技術遭不法利用 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
3158.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
3160.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
足以冒充他人身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
3160.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
3162.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
散佈不實訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
3162.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
3165.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
甚至影響公共秩序或社會判斷時 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
3165.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
3168.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
警察機關依法仍有查證之責 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
3168.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
3176.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
因此查處過程為同時兼顧維護言論自由與依法查明犯罪事實等兩項重要價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
3176.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
3181.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
內政部始終秉持依法行政以及行政中立原則來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
3181.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
3185.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
那有關本次案件因為基於我們已經報請北檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
3185.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
3189.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
所以口頭說明是不是請張署長來補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
3194.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
3195.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
多謝各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
3196.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
3197.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
3197.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
3199.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
那有關本次的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
3199.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
3203.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
系警方於115年7月25日接獲檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
3203.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
3209.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
經檢視相關影片內容疑似涉及深度偽造總統聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
3209.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
3215.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
原交由轄區警察機關協助釐清該帳號是否遭冒用 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
3215.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
3217.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
以及確認影片的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
3217.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
3220.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
轄區的員警前往查訪時 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
3220.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
3222.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
因當事人不在現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
3222.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
3225.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
警方請向家屬留下聯絡方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
3225.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
3228.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
請當事人方便時與警方聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
3228.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
3230.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
並為入內搜索 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
3230.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
3232.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
以為限制人身自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
3232.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
3235.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
亦為強制要求到案 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
3235.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
3238.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
其後當事人主動與警方電話聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
3238.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
3243.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
警方確認帳號、影片均為當事人及團隊製作後 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
3243.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
3246.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
及完成初步的身份確認 |
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3247.84 |
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3250.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
因此為要求當事人立即到案製作筆錄 |
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3251.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
3255.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
整體過程中警方為採取強制處分 |
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3255.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
3258.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
為強制要求影片下架 |
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3258.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
3261.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
也為限制當事人表達意見 |
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3261.74 |
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3265.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
本案警方是依據檢舉內容依法查證 |
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3265.74 |
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3269.74 |
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依刑事訴訟法第230條、230要規定 |
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3269.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
3272.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
司法警察知有犯罪嫌疑時 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
3272.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
3276.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
及負有調查及保全證據的法定職責 |
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3276.74 |
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3279.74 |
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因此就本案的帳號、影片來源 |
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3279.74 |
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3283.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
此外,案件的進行初步查訪與法有據 |
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3283.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
3289.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
在民主社會當中,保障言論自由與維護法治秩序同樣重要 |
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3291.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
3298.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
我們將持續督導各警察機關在維護人民權利與打擊犯罪之間 |
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3298.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
3303.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
兼顧程序爭議、行政中立以及科技偵查的專列 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
3303.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
3307.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
建立符合民主法治精神的執法標準 |
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3307.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
3310.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
以上報告,敬請主席及各位委員指教 |
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3315.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
3317.51 |
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好,因為剛剛沒有確認意識錄 |
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3317.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
3321.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
先確認一下,請問各位委員上次會意識錄有無錯誤 |
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3322.77 |
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3324.77 |
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好,無錯誤,意識錄確定 |
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3325.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
3326.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
現在進行巡達委員 |
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3328.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
3332.19 |
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好,抱歉,其他單位的報告請委員自行參閱並刊登公報 |
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3333.55 |
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3334.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
現在進行巡達委員 |
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3335.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
3337.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
諮詢前,原例作幾點宣告 |
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3337.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
3340.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
本會委員諮詢時間5分鐘,必要時得延長2分鐘 |
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3340.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
3345.43 |
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非本會委員諮詢時間5分鐘,上午10點30分截止發言登記 |
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3345.43 |
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3347.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
現在進行巡達 |
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3347.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
3352.43 |
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抱歉,這個有關臨時提案部分,本次會議就不處理臨時提案,請問有無異議 |
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3353.36 |
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3357.36 |
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現在進行巡達,請第一位登記的許中信委員發言諮詢 |
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3366.8 |
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3369.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
各位同仁,我們有請邱主委 |
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3375.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
3377.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
主委好,邱委員早 |
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3378.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
3379.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
中華文化 |
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3380.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
3381.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
國防 |
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3382.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
3383.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
都是台灣的防衛 |
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3385.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
3386.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
這是李總統 |
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3387.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
3388.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
3388.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
3389.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
跟陸委會 |
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3389.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
3390.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
跟海基會 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
3391.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
3394.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
軟硬兼施保台的兩手策略 |
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3395.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
3397.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
所以我今天要來跟主委報告了 |
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3398.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
3400.71 |
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這個兩手策略 |
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3400.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
3402.97 |
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是怎麼樣來保台 |
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3404.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
3406.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
有關於強硬部分的 |
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3407.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
3409.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
中國軍隊如果敢換台 |
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3410.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
3412.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
入領空,擊落 |
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3413.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
3415.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
入領海,擊沉 |
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3416.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
3418.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
入領土,擊斃 |
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3419.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
3421.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
絕對強硬以待 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
3422.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
3424.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
這是強的部分,這是國防部的職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
3426.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
3428.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
而陸委會跟海基會 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
3430.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
3431.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
要負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
3432.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
3434.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
軟性文化的交流 |
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3435.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
3437.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
促進兩岸人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
3437.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
3438.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
的了解跟溝通 |
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3440.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
3442.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
尤其是文化的交流 |
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3443.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
3445.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
我在這裡 |
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3445.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
3447.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
要來跟各位講一個故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
3448.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
3451.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
有關於京都的文化感人的故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
3453.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
3455.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3455.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
3457.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
有個談話 |
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3457.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
3459.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3459.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
3461.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
有個談話 |
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3461.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
3463.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3463.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
3465.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
有個談話 |
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3465.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
3467.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3467.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
3469.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
有個談話 |
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3469.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
3471.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3471.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
3473.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
有個談話 |
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3473.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
3475.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3475.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
3477.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
3477.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
3479.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3479.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
3481.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
3457.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
3459.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3459.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
3461.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
3461.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
3463.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3463.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
3465.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
3465.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
3467.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3467.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
3469.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
有個談話 |
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3469.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
3471.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3471.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
3473.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
有個談話 |
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3473.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
3475.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3475.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
3477.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
3477.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
3479.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3479.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
3481.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
有個談話 |
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3481.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
3483.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
3483.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
3485.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
3460.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
3462.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
3462.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
3464.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
3464.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
3466.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
3466.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
3468.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
3468.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
3470.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
3470.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
3472.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
3472.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
3474.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
3474.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
3476.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
3476.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
3478.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
3478.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
3480.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
3480.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
3482.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
3482.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
3484.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
3484.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
3486.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
3486.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
3488.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
3463.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
3465.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
3465.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
3467.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
3467.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
3469.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
3469.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
3471.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
3471.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
3473.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
3473.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
3475.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
3475.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
3477.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
3477.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
3479.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
3479.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
3481.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
3481.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
3483.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
3483.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
3485.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
3485.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
3487.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
3487.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
3489.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3489.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
3491.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
有個談話 |
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3466.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
3468.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3468.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
3470.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
有個談話 |
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3470.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
3472.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3472.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
3474.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
有個談話 |
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3474.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
3476.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3476.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
3478.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
有個談話 |
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3478.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
3480.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3480.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
3482.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
3482.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
3484.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
3484.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
3486.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
有個談話 |
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3486.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
3488.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3488.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
3490.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
3490.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
3492.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
3492.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
3494.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
3468.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
3470.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3470.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
3472.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
有個談話 |
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3472.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
3474.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3474.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
3476.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
有個談話 |
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3476.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
3478.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
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| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
3478.64 |
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3480.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
3480.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
3482.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3482.64 |
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3484.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
有個談話 |
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3484.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
3486.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3486.64 |
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3488.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
3488.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
3490.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
3490.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
3492.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
3492.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
3494.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
3494.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
3496.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
3470.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
3472.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
3472.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
3474.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
3474.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
3476.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
3476.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
3478.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
3478.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
3480.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
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3480.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
3482.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
3482.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
3484.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
3484.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
3486.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
3486.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
3488.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
3488.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
3490.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
3490.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
3492.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
3492.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
3494.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
3494.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
3496.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
3496.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
3498.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
3472.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
3474.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
3474.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
3476.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
3476.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
3478.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
3478.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
3480.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
3480.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
3482.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
3482.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
3484.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
3484.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
3486.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
3486.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
3488.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
3488.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
3490.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
3490.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
3492.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
3492.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
3494.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
3494.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
3496.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
3496.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
3498.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
3498.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
3500.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
3474.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
3476.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
3476.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
3478.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
3478.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
3480.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
3480.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
3482.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
3482.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
3484.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
3484.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
3486.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
3486.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
3488.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
3488.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
3490.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
3490.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
3492.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
3492.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
3494.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
3494.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
3496.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
3496.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
3498.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
3498.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
3500.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
3500.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
3502.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
有個談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
3502.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
3504.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
在京都的文化感人的故事中 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
3478.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
3480.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
標點 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
3481.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
3483.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
當你綁上日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
3484.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
3486.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
Please skip |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
3486.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
3488.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
Kyoto |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
3487.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
3489.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
這個故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
3489.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
3491.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
是京都在二次大戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
3491.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
3493.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
唯一沒有被封閘的四大城市之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
3493.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
3495.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
唯一沒有被封閘的四大城市之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
3497.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
3499.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
唯一沒有被封閘的城市之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
3500.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
3502.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
3501.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
3503.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
文化的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
3503.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
3505.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
非常的幹勁 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
3505.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
3507.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
就這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
3509.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
3511.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
京都的文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
3512.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
3514.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
是我們人類共同的遺產 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
3515.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
3517.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
不應該加以摧毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
3518.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
3520.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
所以我們來看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
3520.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
3522.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
1665年陳永華來到台灣說服政經 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
3522.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
3524.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
1665年陳永華來到台灣說服政經 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
3524.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
3526.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
建立東聯國 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
3527.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
3529.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
但是他仍然崇尚中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
3529.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
3531.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
所以社恐廟立聖學 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
3534.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
3536.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
因為永華知道中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
3539.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
3541.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
結果康熙37年1698年 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
3541.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
3543.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
康熙37年1698年 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
3543.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
3545.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
無星座 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
3545.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
3547.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
主委您知道無星座是誰嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
3551.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
3553.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
無星座不是只有為古文官職做序而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
3553.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
3555.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
無星座不是只有為古文官職做序而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
3557.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
3559.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
無星座是一個儒將 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
3560.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
3562.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
替清軍打下京下 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
3562.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
3564.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
使得政經跟陳永華必須退到台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
3564.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
3566.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
使得政經跟陳永華必須退到台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
3567.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
3569.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
所以無星座這個儒將 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
3570.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
3572.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
陳永華這個儒將 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
3572.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
3574.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
兩個是對正的 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
3576.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
3578.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
無星座 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
3577.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
3579.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
序古文官職 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
3580.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
3582.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
裡面222篇 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
3584.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
3586.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
生辭東莊 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
3587.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
3589.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
下棄明末 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
3590.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
3592.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
你去跟他看 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
3591.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
3593.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
沒有元代的文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
3594.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
3596.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
沒有元代的文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
3596.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
3598.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
所以當他看到這本古文官職 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
3599.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
3601.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
無儲財無大職編出來以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
3603.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
3605.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
整人以死 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
3605.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
3607.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
會成的高興 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
3607.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
3609.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
因為他知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
3608.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
3610.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
元代蒙古人的文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
3611.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
3613.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
不是華夏文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
3614.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
3616.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
而他 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
3615.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
3617.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
在滿人的朝廷做官 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
3618.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
3620.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
太陽 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
3620.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
3622.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
維持中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
3622.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
3624.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
所以為古文官職來做序 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
3625.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
3627.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
而這本古文官職也後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
3627.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
3629.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
3629.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
3631.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
難瓜 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
3630.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
3632.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
有關於古文專職的 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
3632.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
3634.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
古文的彙編 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
3635.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
3637.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
所以我們可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
3637.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
3639.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
無星座非常重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
3639.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
3641.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
中華文化跟陳永華一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
3641.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
3643.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
所以這兩個敵對的將軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
3645.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
3647.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
一樣的重視中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
3649.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
3651.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
文革 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
3650.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
3652.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
思綿 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
3651.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
3653.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
以及之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
3653.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
3655.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
摧毀中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
3655.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
3657.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
3657.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
3659.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
好不容易的保持在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
3660.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
3662.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
我們故宮的國寶如果留在中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
3664.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
3666.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
絕對被毛澤東毀棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
3666.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
3668.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
3669.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
3671.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
文化的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
3671.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
3673.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
3672.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
3674.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
我們台灣孔廟等 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
3675.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
3677.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
保持非常傳統 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
3677.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
3679.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
完整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
3678.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
3680.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
儒家中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
3681.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
3683.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
所以主委您知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
3683.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
3685.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
習近平 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
3683.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
3685.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
要求他的解放軍的將領 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
3685.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
3687.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
要攻台 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
3687.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
3689.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
有很多解放軍的將領 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
3689.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
3691.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
不配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
3691.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
3693.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
被免職 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
3693.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
3695.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
3695.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
3697.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
一連串的肅清 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
3697.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
3699.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
3699.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
3701.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
很多解放軍的將領 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
3700.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
3702.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
他們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
3703.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
3705.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
陳永華中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
3705.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
3707.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
最經典的保持在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
3707.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
3709.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
他們配合習近平 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
3709.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
3711.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
來攻台 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
3711.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
3713.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
所毀棄的是他們中華 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
3713.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
3715.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
最珍貴的中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
3716.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
3718.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
所以不可以配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
3719.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
3721.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
被免職 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
3721.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
3723.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
解放軍也有英明的將領 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
3723.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
3725.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
我們不要全部把他們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
3725.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
3727.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
他們的將領都是混蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
3727.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
3729.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
他們也有英明的將領 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
3729.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
3731.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
跟無星座一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
3730.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
3732.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
他們這些將領 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
3732.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
3734.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
跟無星座一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
3734.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
3736.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
在滿人的朝廷做官 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
3736.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
3738.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
內心所戲仍然是中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
3738.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
3740.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
跟陳永華以外一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
3740.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
3742.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
3742.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
3744.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
祝福 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
3743.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
3745.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
我們現在繼續這樣下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
3747.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
3749.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
各位我們知道張明清來台灣的時候去孔廟 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
3751.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
3753.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
在孔廟 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
3753.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
3755.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
的榮樹下 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
3754.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
3756.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
有人讓他跌倒 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
3757.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
3759.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
如果是我 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
3759.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
3761.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
我會跟他介紹陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
3761.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
3763.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
社孔廟 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
3763.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
3765.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
的故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
3766.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
3768.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
3768.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
3770.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
他跟鄭金這麼講 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
3771 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
3773 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
3773.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
3775.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
文王 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
3777.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
3779.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
3779.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
3781.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
3781.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
3783.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
3783.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
3785.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
3785.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
3787.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
3787.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
3789.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
3789.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
3791.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
3791.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
3793.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
3793.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
3795.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
3795.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
3797.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
3797.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
3799.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
3799.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
3801.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
3801.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
3803.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
3803.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
3805.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
3781.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
3783.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
才百里而望 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
3784.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
3786.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
文王七十里而行 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
3788.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
3790.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
台灣二野數千里 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
3791.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
3793.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
遠邊海外 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
3794.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
3796.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
前民殊存 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
3796.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
3798.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
是國軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
3798.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
3800.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
能舉行以助理 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
3801.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
3803.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
十年生長 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
3803.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
3805.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
十年教養 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
3805.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
3807.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
十年生計 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
3808.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
3810.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
三十年中翠 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
3810.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
3812.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
中原香甲椅 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
3812.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
3814.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
我會把這個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
3814.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
3816.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
3815.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
3817.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
這個古文背給詹明青天 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
3818.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
3820.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
然後講無心做重視中華文化的故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
3822.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
3824.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
那時候叫華夏文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
3824.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
3826.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
我不會把它推倒 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
3827.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
3829.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
我們現在入客不來 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
3830.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
3832.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
我們不去 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
3832.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
3834.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
上市的文化交流的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
3834.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
3836.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
我們上入客來看中華文化在台灣保持的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
3836.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
3838.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
讓我們的觀光客去告訴中國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
3838.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
3840.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
中華文化是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
3842.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
3844.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
跟民主自由法治融合的 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
3845.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
3847.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
不是互斥的 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
3847.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
3849.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
這是一個很珍貴的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
3849.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
3851.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
防衛台灣的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
3851.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
3853.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
軟性防衛 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
3854.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
3856.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
3856.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
3858.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
思憐不學行 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
3858.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
3860.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
我看到裡面沒有多少學行到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
3860.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
3862.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
3861.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
3863.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
成功 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
3862.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
3864.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
結果新聞確實很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
3865.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
3867.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
這個會產生寒蟬效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
3869.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
3871.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
我們入委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
3871.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
3873.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
3874.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
3876.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
3877.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
3879.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
威而鋼絲裡面講的不是我講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
3880.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
3882.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
好像吃了威而鋼絲 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
3884.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
3886.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
3886.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
3888.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
本末倒置 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
3888.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
3890.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
國防要強硬 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
3890.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
3892.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
結果入委會比國防還強硬 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
3894.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
3896.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
捨近求遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
3897.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
3899.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
我們的副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
3899.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
3901.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
最近去越南考察回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
3901.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
3903.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
寫了報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
3903.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
3905.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
3905.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
3907.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
在越南考察追尋 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
3908.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
3910.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
台越中智庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
3912.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3914.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
3914.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3916.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
請問主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
3916.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3918.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
中智庫守衛者合 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3918.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3920.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
中智庫守衛者合 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3920.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3922.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
中國有智庫嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3922.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3924.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
謝謝許委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3924.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3926.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
您剛的質詢是不是允許我 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3926.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3928.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
用短短時間給你回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
3928.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3930.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3930.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3932.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
您剛提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
3932.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3934.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
兩岸正常健康有序 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3934.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3936.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
特別是文化的交流的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3936.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3938.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
那我們沒有放棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3938.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3940.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
雖然中共對於我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3940.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3942.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
各種複合性施壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3942.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3944.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
那麼嚴峻 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3944.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3946.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
那我們始終仍然在推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3946.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3948.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
健康有序去統戰化的 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
3948.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3950.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
這些交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3950.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3952.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
我們現在仍然有很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3952.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
3954.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
文化藝術表演 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
3954.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
3956.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
我們剛剛我們非常認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
3956.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
3958.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
過去傳統的古典的 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
3959.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
3961.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
中國大陸的文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
3961.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
3963.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
在台灣都保存下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
3963.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
3965.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
我們在像古漢語的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
3965.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
3967.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
研究我們遠遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
3967.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
3969.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
超過中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
3969.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
3971.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
這部分我們仍然在 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
3971.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
3973.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
去除統戰化的因素仍然在進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
3973.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
3975.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
兩岸正常健康有序的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
3975.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
3977.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
在台灣學德文的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
3979.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
3981.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
我的德文老師李福克 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
3981.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
3983.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
下課的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
3982.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
3984.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
再看一本 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
3985.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
3987.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
我看不懂的漢文的經典 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
3988.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
3990.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
甚至最汆濫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
3990.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
3992.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
最完美的文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
3992.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
3994.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
是在金門閩南建築文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
3994.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
3996.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
超越所有中國福建 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
3996.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
3998.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
所以攻打台灣是摧毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
3998.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
4000.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
僅存的中華文化對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
4000.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
4002.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
第二個您 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
4002.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
4004.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
你說對不對嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
4004.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
4006.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
攻打台灣就是摧毀僅存的中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
4006.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
4008.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
古典的中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
4008.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
4010.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
在台灣都落地生根 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
4010.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
4012.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
而且我們都保存的很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
4012.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
4014.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
攻打台灣就是摧毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
4014.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
4016.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
古典的中華文化對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
4016.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
4018.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
對最精美的 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
4018.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
4020.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
那另外你剛才提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
4020.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
4022.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
我們私聯部學學員這不是事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
4022.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
4024.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
我們公布就是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
4024.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
4026.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
其實我們希望那個數字能夠降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
4026.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
4028.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
因為沒辦法降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
4028.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
4030.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
每一件我們都很揪心 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
4030.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
4032.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
我們都跟各部會合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
4032.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
4034.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
如何去關懷這個報案的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
4034.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
4036.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
協助報案的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
4036.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
4038.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
我們希望把它降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
4039.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
4041.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
我們也要跟對岸說 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
4041.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
4043.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
你們要發揮既有的相關機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
4043.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
4045.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
來確保我們國人的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
4045.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
4047.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
你不能說一直拉攏我們國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
4047.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
4049.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
赴大陸去交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
4049.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
4051.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
然後對他的人事安全完全不顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
4051.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
4053.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
贊同 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
4053.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
4055.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
第二個最後要跟您報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
4055.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
4057.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
就是有關我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
4057.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
4059.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
省部主委去中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
4059.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
4061.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
去越南做參訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
4061.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
4063.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
因為越南很多智庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
4063.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
4065.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
對於陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
4065.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
4067.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
去那邊他們很重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
4067.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
4069.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
也希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
4069.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
4071.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
如果我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
4071.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
4073.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
到任何重要的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
4073.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
4075.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
如果有中國大陸的智庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
4075.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
4077.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
會來交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
4077.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
4079.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
像美國就有三邊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
4079.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
4081.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
中國大陸哪一個是智庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
4081.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
4083.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
我想他有很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
4083.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
4085.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
智庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
4085.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
4087.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
因為時間上的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
4087.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
4089.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
我可以去跟您報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
4089.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
4091.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
目前我們交往的中國大陸相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
4091.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
4093.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
有社台智庫有國際關係的智庫 |
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4093.01 |
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4095.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
有各種 |
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4095.01 |
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4097.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
比較廣 |
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4097.01 |
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4099.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
也是他們相關的機構 |
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4099.01 |
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4101.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
或是政府相關的這些 |
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4101.01 |
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4103.01 |
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研究機構 |
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4103.01 |
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4105.01 |
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那不是智庫 |
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4104.98 |
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4106.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
智庫的定義 |
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4106.58 |
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4108.58 |
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我不想在這裡浪費時間 |
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4108.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
4110.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
跟我們西方的獨立之國一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
4110.58 |
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4112.58 |
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是 |
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4112.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
4114.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
謝謝主委謝謝你 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
4120.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
4122.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
我們下一位請書僑會委員發言質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
4133.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
4135.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
4135.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
4137.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
我們請內政部的部長還有陸委會的主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
4145.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
4147.7 |
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我先請教一下邱主委好了 |
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4147.7 |
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4149.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
不好意思啊部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
4149.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
4151.7 |
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邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
4151.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
4153.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
邱主委的部分我就只請問 |
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4153.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
4155.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
因為剛剛我很認真在聽這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
4155.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
4157.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
我們學委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
4157.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
4159.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
真的學問很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
4159.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
4161.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
4161.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
4163.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
我覺得是這樣子我聽了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
4163.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
4165.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
有個感想是我過去一直在 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
4165.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
4167.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
主張的其實就是我們的行政部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
4167.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
4169.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
政府機關其實對人民的 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
4169.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
4171.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
宣傳還有這個對人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
4171.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
4173.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
的這個訊息的傳達 |
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4173.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
4175.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
要能夠簡潔 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
4175.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
4177.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
甚至有力 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
4177.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
4179.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
尤其是對於這種標語式的這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
4179.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
4181.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
這種剛要式能夠直接 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
4181.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
4183.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
讓大家知道這個真的要非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
4183.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
4185.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
簡潔清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
4185.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
4187.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
比如說剛剛我聽到的質詢有說到一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
4187.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
4189.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
叫做現在的狀況是 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
4189.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
4191.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
陸客不來我們不去 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
4191.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
4193.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
私聯不查這三句話聽起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
4193.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
4195.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
很可怕可是這三句話跟我認知 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
4195.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
4197.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
的事實完全不一樣主委你能不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
4197.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
4199.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
用同樣三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
4199.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
4201.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
或者是同樣簡單一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
4201.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
4203.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
告訴我們現在的狀況到底是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
4203.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
4205.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
現在台灣真的是陸客不來 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
4205.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
4207.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
我們不去私聯不查嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
4207.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
4209.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
這太嚴重了吧這是事實嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
4210.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
4212.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
這是事實嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
4213.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
4215.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
當然不是謝謝委員的指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].start |
4215.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
4217.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
當然不是事實這三句都不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
4217.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
4219.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
是目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
4219.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
4221.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
陸客不來是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
4221.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
4223.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
不方不給他們來我們不去 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
4223.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
4225.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
有嗎我們沒有不去我們去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
4225.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
4227.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
去中國旅遊的人其實相當 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
4227.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
4229.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
的多私聯不查有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
4229.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
4231.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
沒有現在不是數字上列得 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
4231.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
4233.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
清清楚楚查查這麼多但 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
4233.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
4235.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
能不能查到這才是問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
4235.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
4237.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
能不能救回來這更是個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
4237.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
4239.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
所以這三句話就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
4239.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
4241.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
人民想聽的三句話這句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
4241.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
4243.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
三句話應該大大的明白這不是事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
4244.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
4246.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
4274.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
4276.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
這三句話應該大大明白這三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
4276.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
4278.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
這三句話應該大大明白這三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
4278.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
4280.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
這三句話應該大大明白這三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
4280.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
4282.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
這三句話應該大大明白這三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
4282.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
4284.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
這三句話應該大大明白這三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
4284.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
4286.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
這三句話應該大大明白這三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
4286.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
4288.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
這三句話應該大大明白這三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
4288.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
4290.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
這三句話應該大大明白這三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
4290.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
4292.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
這三句話應該大大明白這三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
4292.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
4294.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
這三句話應該大大明白這三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
4294.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
4296.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
這三句話應該大大明白這三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
4296.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
4298.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
這三句話應該大大明白這三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
4298.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
4300.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
這三句話應該大大明白這三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
4300.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
4302.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
這三句話應該大大明白這三句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
4302.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
4304.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
主委的這個部分實在是非常強烈的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
4304.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
4306.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
主委的這個部分實在是非常強烈的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
4306.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
4308.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
我們在回答問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
4308.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
4310.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
我們在傳遞資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
4310.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
4312.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
在傳達政府作為的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
4312.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
4314.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
簡潔有力清楚明白這樣可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
4314.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
4316.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
謝謝主委主導 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
4316.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
4318.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
謝謝主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
4318.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
4320.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
我想請劉部長主委請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
4320.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
4322.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
好謝謝您 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
4322.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
4324.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
4324.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
4326.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
部長我想跟您同樣請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
4326.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
4328.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
另外一件這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
4328.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
4330.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
就是我們在地方的時候其實聽到很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
4330.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
4332.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
鄉親在詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
4332.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
4334.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
就是石板明夫這樣一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
4334.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
4336.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
在台灣居有殖民度的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
4336.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
4338.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
在路上走竟然會 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
4338.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
4340.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
被打而且打到 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
4340.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
4342.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
受傷嘴角有撕裂傷 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
4342.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
4344.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
嘿這是一個什麼樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
4344.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
4346.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
不然可以跟你們說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
4346.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
4348.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
目前內政部就這件傷害案 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
4348.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
4350.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
調查的狀況如何嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
4350.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
4352.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
為什麼您認為為什麼政府現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
4352.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
4354.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
調查了一段時間以後認為他 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].start |
4354.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
4356.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
不是一件尋常的傷害案 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
4356.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
4358.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
甚至有可能是政治案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].start |
4358.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
4360.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
4360.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].end |
4362.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
報告委員石板明夫是台灣非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
4362.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
4364.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
有名的這個媒體先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
4364.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
4366.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
那他在演講結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].start |
4366.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
4368.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
之後受到一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
4368.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
4370.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
香港人料性嫌疑犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
4370.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
4372.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
的毆打那我們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
4372.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
4374.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
事情不是很簡單那目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
4374.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
4376.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
這個料性嫌犯在七月七號 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
4376.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
4378.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
的時候已經經台中地院 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].start |
4378.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
4380.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
採准羈押禁見 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].start |
4380.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
4382.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
那當然後面有很多不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].start |
4382.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
4384.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
這個政治動機 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
4384.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
4386.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
那但是查查了經過我是不是可以請 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
4386.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
4388.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
張署長來跟你做一個簡要的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
4388.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
4390.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
好那張署長我希望你也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].start |
4390.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
4392.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
簡簡易開的能夠跟我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].start |
4392.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
4394.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
分享一下你現在調查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
4394.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
4396.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
資訊到底是你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
4396.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
4398.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
這件案件事前事 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
4398.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
4400.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
發事後到底有哪些跡象 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
4400.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
4402.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
所以讓你覺得這不是一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
4402.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
4404.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
尋常的傷害案因為傷害案其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
4404.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
4406.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
確實是常常發生啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
4406.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
4408.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
那我們這次我們特別要挑出來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
4408.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
4410.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
好謝謝委員那這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
4410.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
4412.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
這個料性嫌犯是現在的羈押 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
4412.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
4414.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
在偵查當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
4414.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
4416.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
那我們初步現在看起來這個不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
4416.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
4418.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
一個單純的傷害案件是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
4418.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
4420.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
很標準的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
4420.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
4422.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
跨境鎮壓的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
4422.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
4424.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
怎麼說 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
4424.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
4426.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
這個是一個有一個有 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
4426.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
4428.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
組織性的一個一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
4428.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
4430.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
一個性質那我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
4430.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
4432.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
現在會在對向上 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
4432.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
4434.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
溯源或者是甚至在地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
4434.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
4436.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
有協力者在做努力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
4436.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
4438.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
偵查當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
4438.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
4440.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
署長這種被巡台的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
4440.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
4442.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
其實就是講得最清楚的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
4442.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
4444.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
這個據我們 |
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4444.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
4446.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
我當然是沒有收到我沒有跟你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
4446.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
4448.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
調資料啦我就是從新聞上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
4448.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
4450.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
看的第一這個人的身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
4450.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
4452.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
他是從境外進來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
4452.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
4454.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
這個料性男子他說境外 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
4454.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
4456.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
進來據查具有香港 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
4456.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
4458.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
黑幫身份這是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
4458.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
4460.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
跟平常不太一樣狀況打人的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
4460.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
4462.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
一個外面來的人而且打 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
4462.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
4464.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
人的時候是狀況是什麼樣子是先 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
4464.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
4466.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
他叫了你的名字看了你一眼 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
4466.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
4468.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
確定是你之後打下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
4468.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
4470.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
打完以後立刻就走不但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
4470.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
4472.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
離開案發現場而且回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
4472.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
4474.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
回報完以後立刻 |
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4474.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
4476.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
立刻要急著出境 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
4476.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
4478.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
從外面進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
4478.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
4480.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
傷害了我的國人之後我們的國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
4480.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
4482.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
之後立刻又要出境 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
4482.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
4484.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
這三點事前 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
4484.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
4486.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
事發跟事發要確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
4486.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
4488.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
你是誰所以顯然是特定 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
4488.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
4490.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
案的特定人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
4490.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
4492.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
要打的是特定人士然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
4492.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
4494.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
事發是立刻出境事前 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
4494.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
4496.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
事發和事後這三個狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
4496.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
4498.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
讓我們覺得這不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
4498.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
4500.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
一件尋常的案件是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
4500.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
4502.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
所以跟一般任何的傷害案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
4502.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
4504.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
都不一樣所以警方要全力追查 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
4504.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
4506.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
那也很感謝警方在第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
4506.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
4508.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
在他出境前是已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
4508.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
4510.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
把他攔下來了好所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
4510.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
4512.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
我們才會有經過現在的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
4512.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
4514.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
我們在媒體上看到這些跡象 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
4514.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
4516.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
那署長我現在就想問因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
4516.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
4518.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
我們現在這個事發的狀況是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
4518.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
4520.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
7月6號 |
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4520.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
4522.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
這個案件在7月6號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
4522.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
4524.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
7月1號其實中國發布了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
4524.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
4526.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
民族團結促進法這樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
4526.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
4528.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
裡面其實就提到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
4528.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
4530.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
這個在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
4530.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
4532.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
中國境外我們也要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
4532.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
4534.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
怎麼樣怎麼樣的一個長臂管轄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
4534.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
4536.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
的狀況任何人都不能夠有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
4536.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
4538.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
反對什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
4538.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
4540.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
分裂民族 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
4540.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
4542.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
分裂國土這樣的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
4542.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
4544.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
等等所以你認為這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
4544.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
4546.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
跨境鎮壓想要達到的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
4546.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
4548.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
4548.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
4550.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
他未來發生的頻率你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
4550.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
4552.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
你們有想像嗎你們有判斷嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
4552.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
4554.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
當然有那我想這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
4554.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
4556.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
剛剛委員所提的這是一個有計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
4556.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
4558.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
有組織的一個行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
4558.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
4560.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
所以我們看起來 |
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4560.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
4562.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
是一個跨境鎮壓的一個模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
4562.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
4564.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
而且是以打帶跑的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
4564.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
4566.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
來做這樣的一個行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
4566.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
4568.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
那未來我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
4568.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
4570.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
打帶跑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
4570.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
4572.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
所以我們接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
4572.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
4574.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
我們預防然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
4574.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
4576.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
我們未來就是對於我們這些的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
4576.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
4578.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
保護的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
4579.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
4581.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
就是這些對跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
4581.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
4583.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
保護的這些對象們會對加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
4583.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
4585.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
他的駐居手的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
4585.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
4587.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
這些的安全維護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
4587.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
4589.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
以及專責聯繫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
4589.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
4591.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
我們的警力的專責聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
4591.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
4593.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
那對於我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
4593.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
4595.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
相關的單位包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
4595.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
4597.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
檢查或是移民單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
4597.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
4599.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
會共同來做合作那另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
4599.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
4601.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
我想就是說有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
4601.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
4603.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
類似這些案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
4603.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
4605.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
我們不能以一般形式來做一個處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
4605.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
4607.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
那就是處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
4607.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
4609.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
這一案件要有這些敏感 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
4609.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
4611.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
我們的員警要有這些敏感度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
4611.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
4613.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
也就是說這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
4613.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
4615.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
被中共跨境鎮壓的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
4615.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
4617.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
這一些的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
4617.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
4619.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
那未來如果有這一些的相關的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
4619.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
4621.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
不管什麼樣的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
4621.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
4623.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
不能是以一般形式來做看待 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
4623.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
4625.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
要以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
4625.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
4627.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
這個對於是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
4627.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
4629.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
屬於長臂管轄或跨境鎮壓的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
4629.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
4631.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
來做一個偵查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
4631.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
4633.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
好謝謝署長我這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
4633.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
4635.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
我下一個問題我想請部長回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
4635.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
4637.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
因為部長直接表態這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
4637.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
4639.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
署長您先旁邊休息一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
4639.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
4641.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
4641.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
4643.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
我想雖然剛剛我聽了署長的回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
4643.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
4645.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
但是我有幾點我並不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
4645.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
4647.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
那麼滿意同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
4647.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
4649.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
我不認為說我認為現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
4649.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
4651.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
跨境鎮壓中國對台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
4651.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
4653.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
對台灣的民主人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
4653.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
4655.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
對全世界的民主人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
4655.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
4657.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
利用法律戰利用各式的手法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
4657.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
4659.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
甚至想要進行長臂管轄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
4659.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
4661.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
甚至是要跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
4661.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
4663.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
這樣的模式是越來越嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
4663.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
4665.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
那我們應該要處理尤其在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
4665.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
4667.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
但我不認為剛剛署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
4667.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
4669.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
答到說受保護對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
4669.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
4671.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
誰是受保護對象全體台灣國民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
4671.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
4673.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
都是受保護對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
4673.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
4675.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
我認為全體台灣國民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
4675.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
4677.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
都是應該受到我們民主法制的保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
4677.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
4679.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
所以在這樣的狀況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
4679.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
4681.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
在這樣的狀況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
4681.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
4683.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
我的國人應該要怎麼樣避免 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
4683.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
4685.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
未來有這樣的人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
4685.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
4687.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
從外面調外面的黑幫來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
4687.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
4689.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
外面這個境外人士來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
4689.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
4691.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
欺負傷害我們的國民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
4691.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
4693.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
我覺得這件事情是重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
4693.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
4695.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
好那你認為因為我們正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
4695.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
4697.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
因為我們是民主法制的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
4697.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
4699.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
我們有遷徙移動的自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
4699.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
4701.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
我們也沒有辦法在第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
4701.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
4703.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
現在的機制也還沒有辦法阻止 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
4703.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
4705.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
這些人直接進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
4705.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
4707.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
那麼我認為像現在此刻 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
4707.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
4709.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
這一次案件當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
4709.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
4711.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
方案者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
4711.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
4713.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
沒有辦法離開我們的國門啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
4713.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
4715.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
要在我們的國家接受法律的制裁啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
4715.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
4717.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
要接受法律的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
4717.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
4719.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
我覺得這非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
4718.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
4720.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
你至少至少這段 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
4720.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
4722.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
這一點是未來一定要做到的事情啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
4722.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
4724.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
所以有方案者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
4724.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
4726.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
沒有辦法就這樣打人然後就跑出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
4726.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
4728.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
我覺得這次警方做的最好的一段 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
4728.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
4730.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
就是快速反應在國門前就把人攔下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
4730.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
4732.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
這至少對我們來講是個交代 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
4732.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
4734.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
但我認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
4734.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
4736.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
現在這樣有了第一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
4736.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
4738.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
會不會有第二件第三件不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
4738.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
4740.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
所以我們才看到您的報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
4740.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
4742.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
有說是有跨境鎮壓跨機關協助平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
4742.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
4744.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
我們才想知道說那您的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
4744.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
4746.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
處置是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
4746.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
4748.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
我對委員的關心我想委員我分兩個階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
4748.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
4750.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
就這樣的個案的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
4750.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
4752.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
不管是跨境鎮壓或者是長臂管轄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
4752.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
4754.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
在這之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
4754.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
4756.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
一定有類似的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
4756.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
4758.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
譬如說我們很多在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
4758.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
4760.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
生活的這個香港人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
4760.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
4762.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
他們也被剝契等等這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
4762.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
4764.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
但是當時警員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
4764.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
4766.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
大概都是用一般傷害案或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
4766.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
4768.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
沒有去提告的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
4768.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
4770.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
完全不知道後來我們慢慢發現到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
4770.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
4772.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
說這個此事呢不可以如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
4772.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
4774.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
這樣子會造成所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
4774.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
4776.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
是那由這一次這個石板明夫先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
4776.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
4778.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
被打的案件呢我們有感 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
4778.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
4780.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
感受到第一個我們必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
4780.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
4782.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
正視而且審慎來知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
4782.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
4784.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
是不是有其他的境外的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
4784.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
4786.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
勢力包括香港 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
4786.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
4788.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
或者是其他的黑勢力也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
4788.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
4790.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
或是其他也許有其他的統戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
4790.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
4792.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
勢力有進入這樣子的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
4792.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
4794.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
來造成我們國人呢在人身 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
4794.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
4796.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
安全上面保障的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
4796.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
4798.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
這個狀況那這個部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
4798.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
4800.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
第一個我們在警察局包括地方 |
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警局或者包括航警甚至 |
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移民單位或者國安單位呢 |
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已經有慢慢形成這樣的機制 |
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來處理如果牽涉到 |
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跨境鎮壓或是長臂管轄 |
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的時候第一個先如何保護 |
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有可能要保護的對象第二個 |
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怎麼樣透過比較好的這個機制呢 |
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來處理這一塊第三個呢 |
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我想我們並不排除啊爭取 |
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其他有盟國家的協助讓我們 |
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4824.67 |
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知道說跨境鎮壓的這些 |
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人他們到底幕後 |
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是屬於國際的黑幫勢力 |
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還是有其他的政府的惡勢力來 |
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入侵那這個部分呢我們按照 |
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這個階段這一步一步在執行 |
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剛剛署長所提到的 |
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就是說為了預防有這個 |
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在國內的人有受到這樣的狀況 |
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我們還是呼籲如果你有任何 |
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這樣的狀況的話呢請趕快 |
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來報案由這一次呢 |
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台中市警方移民署還有我們的 |
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相關的國民單位國安單位 |
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或航警在很快的時間內 |
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阻止他馬上 |
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機票就出國這部分的話 |
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其實就是表示因為石板明夫先生 |
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馬上就報案如果他過了一陣子 |
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才報案的時候這個人可能已經 |
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出去了那大家知道他出去 |
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而且不是台灣的人的話要 |
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把他抓回來接受我們法律制裁的 |
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可能性就降低很多 |
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好謝謝部長的說明也謝謝 |
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署長因為我再次的感謝 |
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這個當時警察有這樣子的 |
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警察同仁有這樣的敏感度 |
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和做這樣的執行那我們是希望 |
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因為未來可能可能 |
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我們當然不希望但如果有這樣 |
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更多的案件的話我們希望能夠有 |
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更精進的作為保護國人的安全 |
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4890.67 |
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好謝謝部長謝謝署長 |
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4895.1 |
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4897.1 |
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好我們下一位請張宏路委員發言質詢 |
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4909.67 |
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我先請警政署長 |
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請 |
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署長 |
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我想請問一下 |
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如果 |
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如果有名人的聲音影像 |
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被用到詐騙 |
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你們要怎麼處理 |
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那這個是一個 |
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如果是一個詐騙的這個 |
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我們當然是會去做追查 |
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是會做 |
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影片的這些下架 |
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影片的下架 |
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影片的下架然後 |
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再去追查這個源頭 |
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到底是用 |
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是不是用身為的這個狀況 |
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4952.01 |
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來製造這個影片 |
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4952.01 |
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4954.01 |
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好那再來如果言論自由 |
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4957.59 |
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我在街上有人罵你 |
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4959.59 |
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我以為我故罵你 |
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這樣他有沒有言論自由 |
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那罵的話是不是 |
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牽涉到有侮辱 |
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毀謗的行為 |
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如果有的話當時我提告 |
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4971.52 |
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這不是言論自由 |
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言論自由也是要有法治的 |
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部長我就說有一個人在路上 |
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看到你 |
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就羞辱你罵得很難聽 |
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他可以來告 |
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4983.52 |
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被罵的人可以來報案 |
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4985.52 |
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我說罵你 |
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4986.45 |
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罵我 |
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你認為他有言論自由嗎 |
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我想如果被罵 |
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4993.11 |
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如果是侮辱到我 |
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4995.11 |
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牽涉到誹謗侮辱我當然有權力可以告 |
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4995.11 |
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4997.11 |
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對嘛這就不算言論自由了 |
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4999.11 |
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這不是言論自由 |
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重點不是嘛 |
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那所以如果用AI生成 |
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貿用人的影像或聲音 |
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這有算言論自由嗎 |
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那如果說是用身為的方式 |
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這個就是 |
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可能有牽涉到 |
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5019.11 |
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刑法的這個偽造聲明師的問題 |
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沒有錯嘛 |
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而且也有可能 |
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5025.11 |
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變成商業犯罪或引誘人投資什麼 |
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很多的情況都有吧 |
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都有可能 |
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所以在我們法律的規定裡面 |
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你沒有經過他們同意沒有什麼的話 |
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其實這就構成犯罪了吧 |
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是的 |
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5039.11 |
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我說的這樣子沒有經過當事人的同意 |
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或什麼的這就構成犯罪了 |
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因為這個如果說 |
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身為偽造的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
5045.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
5047.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
偽造聲明師是屬於公訴的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
5047.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
5049.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
對嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
5049.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
5051.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
所以很多事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
5051.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
5053.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
今天這個專案報我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
5053.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
5055.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
署長你這樣就回答得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
5055.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
5057.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
這還有什麼好說的呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
5057.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
5059.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
台灣是一個法治的社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
5059.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
5061.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
我們不能這樣如果以後這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
5061.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
5063.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
台灣會動盪不安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
5063.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
5065.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
我們也不用舉太多例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
5065.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
5067.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
很多名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
5067.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
5069.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
很多政商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
5069.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
5071.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
很多重要的人如果都這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
5071.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
5073.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].text |
你覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
5073.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
5075.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
台灣會有一個穩定的社會嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
5075.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
5077.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
你們警察會不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
5077.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
5079.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
如果用身為的方式會造成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
5079.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
5081.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
這些混淆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
5081.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
5083.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
所以就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
5083.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
5085.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
這個部分可能要未來也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
5085.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
5087.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
會去重視這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
5087.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
5089.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
5089.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
5091.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
那我請這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
5091.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
5093.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
入委會主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
5098.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
5100.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
張偉也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
5100.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
5102.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
5101.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
5103.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
這個主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
5103.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
5105.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
這個啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
5105.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
5107.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
現在啊到底有多少人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].start |
5107.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].end |
5109.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].text |
在中國啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].start |
5109.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].end |
5111.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].text |
被無故留置我看你們的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].start |
5111.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].end |
5113.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
是四百多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].start |
5113.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
5115.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
是這兩年加起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].start |
5115.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].end |
5117.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].text |
四百 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].start |
5117.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].end |
5119.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].text |
對對對你們可以啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
5119.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
5121.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
我因為問實際上到底有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
5121.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].end |
5123.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].text |
大概啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].start |
5123.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].end |
5125.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
是我們遭入方關押 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
5125.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].end |
5127.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
目前有兩百一十六人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
5128.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].end |
5130.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
在關押的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].start |
5130.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
5132.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].text |
那當然失聯的我們還在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
5132.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
5134.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
陸續在找 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
5134.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
5136.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
但是在入方關押的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].start |
5136.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
5138.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
被他限制人身自由的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
5138.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
5140.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
有兩百一十六人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
5140.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
5142.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
是在最近兩年嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
5142.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].end |
5144.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
還是從以前到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
5144.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].end |
5146.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
最近兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].start |
5146.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
5148.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
就兩百一十六人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
5150.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
5152.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
如果沒有講很多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].start |
5152.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
5154.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
台灣人還不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].start |
5154.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].end |
5156.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
有這麼多人無故被關押吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
5156.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
5158.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
5158.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
5160.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
而且是這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
5160.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
5162.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
中國一直通過一些不合理的法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
5162.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
5164.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
然後長臂管轄什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
5164.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
5166.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
5166.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].end |
5168.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
所以造成很多的台灣人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
5168.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
5170.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
無故去那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
5170.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
5172.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
被抓起來了吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
5172.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
5174.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
是當然委員所說的那個推論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
5174.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
5176.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
都是合理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
5176.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
5178.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
這是推論嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
5178.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
5180.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
針對每個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
5180.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
5182.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
當然那個關聯性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
5182.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
5184.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
但是整體趨勢那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
5184.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
5186.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
我們剛才也跟大家報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
5186.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
5188.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
每個月仍然有十六到十八件的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
5188.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
5190.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
每個月會增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
5190.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
5192.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
這確實是蠻驚人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
5192.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
5194.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
那這裡面當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
5194.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
5196.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
到入方關押的比例是最多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
5196.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
5198.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
那當然我們對於每個包安的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
5198.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
5200.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
比如說他家屬來包安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
5200.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
5202.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
他親友來包安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
5202.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
5204.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
我們都很想去協助他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
5204.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
5206.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
再怎麼樣的因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
5206.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
5208.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
或是在中國大陸犯了什麼法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
5208.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
5210.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
那這個部分如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
5210.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
5212.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
入方沒有相應的一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
5212.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
5214.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
跟我們通報的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
5214.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
5216.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
家屬都會不知道怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
5216.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
5218.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
所以我們關懷協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
5218.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
5220.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
給他很多的法律諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
5220.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
5222.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
讓他有一個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
5222.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
5224.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
但最重要的我們還是透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
5224.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
5226.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
兩案相關的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
5226.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
5228.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
能夠把人確定下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
5228.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
5230.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
確定的下落最重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
5230.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
5232.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
主委這個是後續的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
5232.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
5234.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
那應該預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
5234.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
5236.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
這應該預防於先 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
5238.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
5240.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
中國現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
5240.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
5242.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
用很多的方式鼓勵台灣的人去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
5242.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
5244.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
或什麼的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
5244.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
5246.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
你知道嗎有很多是免費的旅行團 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
5246.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
5248.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
你們知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
5248.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
5250.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
5250.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
5252.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
我們很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
5252.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
5254.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
我們剛剛也報告就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
5254.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
5256.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
中國大陸想盡辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
5256.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
5258.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
一直招攬我們的國人過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
5258.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
5260.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
不管是低價旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
5260.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
5262.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
免費招待落地招待 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
5262.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
5264.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
我們很多年輕朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
5264.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
5266.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
很多的國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
5266.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
5268.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
我們的村民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
5268.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
5270.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
里民到中國大陸去旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
5270.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
5272.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
但是你卻沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
5272.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
5274.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
給他人身安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
5274.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
5276.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
維護跟保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
5276.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
5278.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
那麼多的個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
5278.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
5280.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
層出不窮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
5280.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
5282.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
包括今天報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
5282.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
5284.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
婦婦失聯的案子仍然是那麼增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
5284.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
5286.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
顯示那邊確實是有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
5286.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
5288.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
所以我們剛剛委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
5288.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
5290.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
指導的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
5290.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
5292.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
我們應該防範以未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
5292.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
5294.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
應該要多做宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
5294.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
5296.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
現在每個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
5296.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
5298.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
過去是每個月公布這些數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
5298.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
5300.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
我們為了提醒國人的注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
5300.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
5302.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
因為這個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
5302.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
5304.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
可以發五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
5304.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
5306.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
所以我們是每一週都來宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
5306.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
5308.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
主委我覺得公布數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
5308.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
5310.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
不痛不癢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
5310.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
5312.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
也沒什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
5312.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
5314.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
大家沒有感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
5314.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
5316.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
比如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
5316.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
5318.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
我們那時候就要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
5318.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
5320.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
警政署每天在那邊反詐騙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
5322.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
5324.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
誰不知道詐騙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
5324.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
5326.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
但最新的詐騙形態是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
5326.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
5328.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
大家哪知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
5328.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
5330.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
後來要求他們要拍最新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
5330.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
5332.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
這種詐騙方式的宣導影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
5332.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
5334.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
他們現在就做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
5334.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
5336.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
大家一看就知道我現在最新的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
5336.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
5338.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
你們為什麼不也這樣選 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
5338.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
5340.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
我們不用成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
5340.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
5342.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
放在網路上就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
5342.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
5344.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
大家就看得懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
5344.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
5346.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
這樣才知道我是屬於哪一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
5346.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
5348.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
不然他也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
5348.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
5350.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
我相信一般人不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
5350.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
5352.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
而且我要跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
5352.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
5354.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
他們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
5354.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
5356.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
要我們年輕人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
5356.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
5358.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
要去中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
5358.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
5360.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
5360.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
5362.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
我們台灣的年輕人很多人在網路上可能講了一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
5362.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
5364.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
5364.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
5366.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
過去那邊有沒有可能被加起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
5367.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
5369.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
5369.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
5371.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
我們的年輕人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
5371.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
5373.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
我們台灣是一面自由的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
5373.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
5375.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
有可能在網路上講一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
5375.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
5377.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
他的法律那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
5377.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
5379.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
隨便都可能處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
5379.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
5381.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
他要鼓勵我們台灣的年輕人去那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
5381.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
5383.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
要積極統戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
5383.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
5385.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
我們的年輕人可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
5384.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
5386.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
很多人還不知道喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
5387.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
5389.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
年輕人如果過去就被抓起來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
5391.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
5393.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
我的意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
5393.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
5395.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
要類似這一種的短片 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
5395.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
5397.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
讓大家知道你去就有很高的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
5397.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
5399.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
謝謝委員知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
5399.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
5401.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
我們也在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
5401.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
5403.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
在Ruiz這方面宣導工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
5403.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
5405.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
第一個要去識別化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
5405.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
5407.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
但是就委員所說的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
5407.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
5409.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
樣態我們去識別化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
5409.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
5411.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
把那個樣態呈現出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
5411.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
5413.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
用短影片或是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
5413.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
5415.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
例行記者會不斷的對外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
5415.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
5417.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
去宣導這是我們目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
5417.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
5419.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
努力的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
5419.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
5421.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
而且這短影片不要發什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
5421.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
5423.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
花多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
5423.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
5425.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
而且就放在網站 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
5425.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
5427.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
讓大家知道你是屬於哪些樣態的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
5427.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
5429.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
就不能去啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
5429.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
5431.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
不然這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
5431.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
5433.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
他現在積極要我們台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
5433.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
5435.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
年輕人台親一家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
5435.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
5437.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
這個很多一堆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
5437.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
5439.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
我很擔心耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
5439.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
5441.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
不只宗教不只一般人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
5441.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
5443.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
如果我們所有的年輕人去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
5443.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
5445.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
這個台灣的年輕人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
5445.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
5447.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
把你抓起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
5447.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
5449.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
好不好是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
5449.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
5451.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
我們台灣半導體優秀的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
5451.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
5453.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
工程師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
5453.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
5455.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
他如果這樣把你一直騙去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
5455.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
5457.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
然後把你扣個幾千個人起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
5457.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
5459.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
那我們的半導體業怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
5459.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
5461.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
是委員講對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
5461.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
5463.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
包括國台辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
5463.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
5465.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
最近透過中國台灣網 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
5465.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
5467.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
經營的這個台親一家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
5468.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
5470.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
過去他經營或是招攬我們年輕人去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
5470.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
5472.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
還有中間在地協議者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
5472.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
5474.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
這是直接 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
5474.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
5476.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
甚至要我們年輕人上傳各種履歷表 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
5476.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
5478.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
幫你找工作幫你實習 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
5478.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
5480.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
你到選學校交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
5480.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
5482.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
直接把資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
5482.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
5484.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
年輕朋友的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
5484.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
5486.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
直接給國台辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
5486.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
5488.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
這是非常嚴重的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
5488.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
5490.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
所以我們現在跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
5490.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
5492.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
會從相關部會做必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
5492.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
5494.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
下架或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
5494.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
5496.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
屏蔽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
5496.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
5498.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
對我們年輕朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
5498.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].end |
5500.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].text |
提供他們的個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
5500.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].end |
5502.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
除了有風險之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].start |
5502.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
5504.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
這也是對台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].start |
5504.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
5506.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
稅刑他直接 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
5506.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
5508.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
對於我們主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
5508.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
5510.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
或者是我們政府的直接介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
5510.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
5512.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
那這個不僅是個人的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
5512.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
5514.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
而且是對整個國家法醫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
5514.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
5516.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
5515.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
5517.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
一個傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
5517.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
5519.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
我們會迎述以對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
5519.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
5521.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
積極的來處理這個事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].start |
5521.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
5523.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].text |
要積極 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].start |
5523.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
5525.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
我不認為中國是這麼簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
5525.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
5527.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
台灣的他如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
5527.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
5529.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
吸引我們這些他就針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
5529.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
5531.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
我們半導體業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
5531.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
5533.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
然後我們資訊業要畢業的學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
5533.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
5535.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
要什麼可能統戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
5535.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
5537.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
有可能你你要威脅利誘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
5537.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
5539.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
或者找個藉口把你給 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
5539.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
5541.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
關起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
5541.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
5543.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
慢慢的大家不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
5543.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
5545.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
如果全部都不做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
5545.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
5547.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
這會影響台灣的競爭力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
5547.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
5549.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
這個我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
5549.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
5551.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
影響國安的層級 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
5551.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
5553.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
我覺得我們要積極宣導一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
5553.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
5555.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
讓年輕人知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].start |
5555.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].end |
5557.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].text |
每個年輕朋友的資安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].start |
5557.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].end |
5559.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].text |
還有上綱到可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].start |
5559.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].end |
5561.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].text |
涉及到危害我們國安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].start |
5561.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].end |
5563.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].start |
5577.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].end |
5579.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].text |
好謝謝主席麻煩邀請我們抽嘴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].start |
5585.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].end |
5587.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].text |
大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].start |
5587.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].end |
5589.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].text |
每次都你來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].start |
5590.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].end |
5592.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].text |
剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].start |
5592.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].end |
5594.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].text |
其實在包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].start |
5594.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].end |
5596.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].text |
許中信委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].start |
5596.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].end |
5598.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].text |
這個資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].start |
5598.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].end |
5600.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].text |
其實許委員的政治立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].start |
5600.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].end |
5602.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].text |
心裡大概都有個印象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].start |
5602.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].end |
5604.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].text |
包括我們陸委會最近一直在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].start |
5604.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].end |
5606.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].text |
做一些附陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].start |
5606.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].end |
5608.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].text |
交流或者是附陸旅遊非常危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].start |
5608.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].end |
5610.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].text |
的一些宣傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].start |
5610.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].end |
5612.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].text |
但是我們國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
5612.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].end |
5614.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].text |
附陸的人數卻不斷的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].start |
5615.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].end |
5617.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].text |
這個攀升我覺得故中的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].start |
5618.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].end |
5620.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].text |
我覺得陸委會可以好好思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].start |
5620.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].end |
5622.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].text |
我們到底是在做陸委會應該做的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].start |
5622.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
5624.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].text |
還是單純在幫民進黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].start |
5624.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].end |
5626.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].text |
做意志形態的一個宣傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].start |
5626.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].end |
5628.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].text |
我覺得您可以思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
5628.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
5630.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].text |
我先跟您請教一個數學題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].start |
5630.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
5632.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].text |
就數學題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].start |
5632.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
5634.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].text |
我們陸委會的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].start |
5633.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].end |
5635.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].text |
14年喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].start |
5635.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
5637.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].text |
通報人數每月18人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].start |
5637.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].end |
5639.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].text |
那115年平均每月16人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].start |
5639.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
5641.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
這個看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
5641.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
5643.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
差不多啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].start |
5643.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
5645.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
沒有明顯的上升沒有明顯的下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
5645.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].end |
5647.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].text |
在統計學來說可能是誤差範圍內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
5647.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].end |
5649.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].text |
但是我們附陸的人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].start |
5651.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].end |
5653.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].text |
14年整年度大概是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].start |
5653.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].end |
5655.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].text |
323萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].start |
5655.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].end |
5657.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].text |
那15年上半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].start |
5657.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
5659.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
1到6月大概就280萬了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].start |
5659.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].end |
5661.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].text |
那附陸的人次大概提升了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].start |
5661.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].end |
5663.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].text |
25%左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].start |
5663.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].end |
5665.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].text |
那在這個平均每月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].start |
5665.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].end |
5667.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].text |
人數不變的情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].start |
5667.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].end |
5669.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].text |
然後但是母數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].start |
5669.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].end |
5671.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].text |
也就是附陸人數增加的情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].start |
5671.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].end |
5673.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].text |
那這樣子通報人數的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].start |
5673.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].end |
5675.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].text |
今年是不是比去年還低 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].start |
5675.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
5677.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].text |
數學題喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].start |
5677.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
5679.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].start |
5679.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].end |
5681.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].text |
如果是數學題的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].start |
5681.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
5683.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
我們在疫情之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].start |
5683.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
5685.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].text |
我們去中國大陸的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].start |
5685.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
5687.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].text |
高達 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].start |
5687.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].end |
5689.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].text |
630萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].start |
5689.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
5691.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].text |
那時候我們還沒有通報這個系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].start |
5691.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].end |
5693.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].text |
我們也是歡迎大家通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].start |
5693.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].end |
5695.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].text |
我們這兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].start |
5695.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].end |
5697.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].text |
比較補成安全的案例不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].start |
5697.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].end |
5699.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].text |
疫情前到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].start |
5699.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].end |
5701.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].text |
2013年到2014年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].start |
5701.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
5703.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].text |
是增加的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].start |
5703.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].end |
5705.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
沒關係我就先照你的論述講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].start |
5705.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
5707.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].text |
那是2014年到2015年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].start |
5707.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
5709.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].text |
就是去年到今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
5709.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
5711.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].text |
附陸通報失聯的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].start |
5711.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
5713.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].text |
是降低的沒錯吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
5715.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].end |
5717.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].text |
呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
5717.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
5719.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
5719.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
5721.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].text |
因為今年還沒有完喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].start |
5721.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].end |
5723.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].text |
到目前為止嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
5723.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
5725.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].text |
平均當然是16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
5725.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
5727.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].text |
人數差不多嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
5727.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
5729.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].text |
去年是18就差不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
5729.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
5731.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].text |
一個客觀的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
5731.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
5733.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].text |
為什麼我剛剛會這樣子指控 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
5733.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
5735.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
你或許不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
5735.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
5737.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
但是為什麼會這樣子指控 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
5737.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
5739.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
你們單純當作一個民進黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
5739.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
5741.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
一個政治的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
5741.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
5743.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
抗中保台的傳聲筒而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
5743.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
5745.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
這是我的指控 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
5745.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
5747.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
就是一些客觀的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
5747.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
5749.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
你們沒有充分的一個揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
5749.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
5751.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
比例其實是下降的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
5751.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].end |
5753.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].text |
那當然不是說比例下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
5753.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
5755.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
就沒有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
5755.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
5757.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
剛剛主委講任何一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
5757.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
5759.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
有發生的事情都是一個家庭的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
5759.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
5761.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
重大的負擔或者破碎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
5761.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
5763.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
那我來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
5763.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
5765.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
我們的統計案件的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
5763.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
5765.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
這個案件的類型統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
5765.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
5767.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
招限制人身自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
5767.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
5769.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
大概就是超過一半嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
5769.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
5771.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
那其中大部分都是知道原因的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
5771.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
5773.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
涉嫌詐騙案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
5773.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
5775.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
134其他刑事案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
5775.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
5777.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
58人這些都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
5777.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
5779.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
很明確的去觸犯到當地的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
5779.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
5781.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
可能跟政治無關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
5781.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
5783.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
那所以說我們如果會把這個統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
5783.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
5785.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
進來你是認為到一個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
5785.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
5787.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
或者是地區去犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
5787.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
5789.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
比如說詐騙或者是涉及 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
5789.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
5791.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
刑事案件被當地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
5791.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
5793.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
司法部門關押 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].start |
5793.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
5795.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
就叫做風險嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
5794.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
5796.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
5796.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].end |
5798.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
這些在中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
5798.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
5800.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
像今天的主題叫私聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
5800.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
5802.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
像第一類的通報私聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
5802.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
5804.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
這個你還不至於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].start |
5804.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
5806.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
我們等一下再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
5806.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
5808.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
這個私聯的數字在這幾個月明顯升高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
5808.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
5810.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
我就問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].start |
5810.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].end |
5812.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].text |
我們把詐騙涉及刑事案件統計進來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].start |
5812.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].end |
5814.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].text |
是不是你也認為到一個國家一個地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].start |
5814.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].end |
5816.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].text |
我們今天不講大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
5816.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
5818.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
到日本到美國我們因為詐騙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].start |
5818.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
5820.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
或是涉及其他刑事案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].start |
5820.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
5822.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
被關押也叫做旅遊風險嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
5822.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
5824.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].text |
還有國安法院的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
5824.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
5826.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
包括我剛剛的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].start |
5826.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
5828.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].text |
還有內政部的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
5828.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
5830.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].text |
就是說中國大陸制定了非常多國家安全的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].start |
5830.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
5832.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].text |
那詐騙是國家安全嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
5832.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].end |
5834.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].text |
其他刑事案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
5834.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
5836.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].text |
也多達 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
5836.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
5838.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].text |
58例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
5838.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
5840.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].text |
還有包括宗教的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
5840.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
5842.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
國安的就一人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
5842.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
5844.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].text |
那這個可能都是涉及 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
5844.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
5846.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
觸犯了中國大陸剛制定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
5846.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
5848.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].text |
這些國家安全法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
5848.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].end |
5850.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].text |
但你明確的寫國安的就一人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
5850.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
5852.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
其他的涉及宗教或其他刑事的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
5852.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
5854.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
都有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
5854.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
5856.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].text |
因為他是用各種的刑法來判 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
5856.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
5858.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
5858.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
5860.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].text |
我建議涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
5860.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
5862.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
可能包括你們陸委會或是內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
5862.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
5864.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
條例的什麼反獨二十二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].start |
5864.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
5866.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].text |
什麼之類的反國家分類法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
5866.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
5868.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
這當然是國安案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
5868.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
5870.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
那我就統計在國安案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
5870.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
5872.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
你怎麼會放在其他刑事案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
5872.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
5874.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
或者是宗教案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
5874.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
5876.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
你會覺得去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
5876.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
5878.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
5878.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
5880.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
這個可能大家認為比較獨裁集權國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
5880.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
5882.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
5882.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
5884.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
沙烏地阿拉伯其實也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
5884.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
5886.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
我們的外交部會認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
5886.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
5888.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
到沙烏地阿拉伯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
5888.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
5890.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
去做這個基督教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
5890.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
5892.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
或簽署教的傳教因此 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
5892.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
5894.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
受到司法的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].start |
5894.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].end |
5896.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].text |
叫做旅遊風險嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
5896.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].end |
5898.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].text |
你剛剛提到的宗教案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].start |
5898.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
5900.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
目前23件都是用中共刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
5900.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
5902.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].text |
300條來判 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].start |
5902.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
5904.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].text |
所以他就統統納入到這個刑事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].start |
5904.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].end |
5906.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].text |
對就是說這個就是當地國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].start |
5906.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
5908.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
的一個法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
5908.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
5910.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
可能跟剛剛我們條列式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
5910.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
5912.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
22條或者是反國家分類法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
5912.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
5914.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
或者是你們講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
5914.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
5916.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].text |
民族團結法等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].start |
5916.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
5918.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
有關係嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
5918.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
5920.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].text |
我們正在看這些法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].start |
5920.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
5922.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].text |
歡迎彩虹回到為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
5922.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
5924.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
為什麼國人不買單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
5924.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
5926.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
為什麼附錄人數還是增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].start |
5926.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].end |
5928.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].text |
因為他們沒有把我們陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].start |
5928.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].end |
5930.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].text |
他們認為我們陸委會沒有在做正事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
5930.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
5932.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].text |
我們所公佈的一個訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].start |
5932.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].end |
5934.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
我們在陳平時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].start |
5934.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].end |
5936.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].text |
去中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].start |
5936.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].end |
5938.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].text |
我們國人附錄是超過600萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
5938.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
5940.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].text |
那現在您剛說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].start |
5940.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
5942.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
有323萬還是有很多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
5942.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
5944.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
是有一些疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
5944.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
5946.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
不過要跟委員報告的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].start |
5946.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
5950.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
我們這些是其他刑事案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
5950.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
5952.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
我們這些案件的統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
5952.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
5954.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
並不是委員說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
5954.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
5956.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
在阻止交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
5956.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
5958.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
在抗中保財 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].start |
5958.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
5960.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
這不是這個原意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
5960.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
5962.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
我們只是讓國人了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
5962.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
5964.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
你們怎麼跟國人說你去大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].start |
5964.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
5966.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].text |
你去人身安全的趨勢風險是高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].start |
5966.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
5968.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
你要你去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
5968.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].end |
5970.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].text |
因為我們的憲法不會限制國人去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].start |
5970.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
5972.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
但是你去你要知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
5972.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
5974.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
這個風險高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
5974.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
5976.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
你不要講直接一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].start |
5976.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
5978.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
去大陸不能做詐騙不然會被關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
5978.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
5980.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
你要聽眾當地的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
5980.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
5982.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
但是當地的法律也有很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
5982.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
5984.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
很容易被刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
5984.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
5986.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
我最關心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
5986.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
5988.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
是國安案件我不曉得您可不可以在這邊做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
5988.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
5990.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
這一件國安案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].start |
5990.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
5992.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
我覺得是最符合我們剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].start |
5992.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
5994.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
一些他們近期的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
5994.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
5996.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
您能夠做一些說明嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].start |
5996.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
5998.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
還是不方便 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
5998.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
6000.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
這一件因為家屬的緣故 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
6000.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
6002.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
我可以私底下去給你說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
6002.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
6004.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
不方便公開講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
6004.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
6006.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
為什麼網路上有大家很多的言語 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].start |
6008.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
6010.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
最近的這麼多的通報案件402件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
6010.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
6012.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
都沒有家屬出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].start |
6012.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
6014.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
開記者會或者去找一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
6014.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
6016.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
國際的人權團體去做聲援 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
6016.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
6018.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
這過去我們可以看到很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
6018.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
6020.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
包括李明哲案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
6020.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
6022.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
包括副查案因為政治案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
6022.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
6024.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
附錄遭到到不法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
6024.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
6026.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
司法調查或羈押的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
6027.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
6029.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
媒體報導非常的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
6029.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
6031.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
為什麼這402件都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
6031.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
6033.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
大家在懷疑這402件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
6033.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
6035.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
到底是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
6035.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
6037.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
大家攤開來一看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
6037.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
6039.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
詐騙其他刑事案件我們當作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
6039.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
6041.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
附錄交流的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
6041.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
6043.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
6043.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
6045.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
剛剛的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
6045.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
6047.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
我覺得很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
6047.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
6049.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
為什麼家屬沒有出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
6049.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
6051.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
我覺得很多的家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
6051.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
6053.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
都是擔心他的家人還在大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
6053.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
6055.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
他如果出來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
6055.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
6057.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
副查就不擔心嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
6058.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
6060.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
過去大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
6060.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
6062.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
國際社會給壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
6062.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
6064.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
現在突然國際社會不給壓力了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
6064.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
6066.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
不幫忙了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
6066.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
6068.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
有些是我們要尊重家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
6068.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
6070.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
跟當事人的意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
6070.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
6072.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
當然我尊重這樣的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
6072.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
6074.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
我沒辦法求證 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
6074.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
6076.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
我相信你們也不會偽造資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
6076.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
6078.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
但是裡面的案件內容大家就會認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
6078.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
6080.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
可以討論的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
6080.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
6082.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
是非常的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
6082.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
6084.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
國務委員我要跟您報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
6084.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
6086.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
您的質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
6086.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
6088.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
我們有兩點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
6088.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
6090.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
第一個我們還是要提醒國人風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
6090.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
6092.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
畢竟這個案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
6092.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
6094.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
或是他來跟我們報案的數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
6094.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
6096.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
居高不下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
6096.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
6098.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
第二個是重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
6098.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
6100.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
就是我們要促使中共當局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
6100.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
6102.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
落實相關機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
6102.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
6104.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
我支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
6104.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
6106.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
有法律法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
6106.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
6108.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
6108.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
6110.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
要尊重他們的司法人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
6110.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
6112.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
但是我目前看不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
6112.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
6114.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
剛剛我們講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
6114.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
6116.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
法律告訴大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
6116.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
6118.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
附陸費大的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
6118.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
6120.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
但就我目前來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
6120.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
6122.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
可能就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
6122.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
6124.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
下落還沒定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
6124.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
6126.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
包括失聯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
6126.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
6128.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
包括其他的刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
6128.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
6130.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
涉及的也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
6130.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
6132.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
有關統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
6132.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
6134.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
402的總統計案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
6134.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
6136.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
是113-115 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
6136.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
6138.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
這個是現況嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
6138.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
6140.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
還是過程當中已經有人找到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
6140.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
6142.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
跟我們報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
6142.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
6144.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
現在是有這樣的改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
6144.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
6146.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
現在是回來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
6146.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
6148.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
現在是失聯人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
6148.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
6150.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
或者是還在遭自由盤查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
6150.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
6152.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
或者是仍然遭到關押的人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
6152.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
6154.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
你現在可以提供資料嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
6154.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
6156.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
這個部分我們還要進一步統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
6156.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
6158.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
因為我們只是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
6158.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
6160.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
當事後報案的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
6160.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
6162.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
如果你有做事後的追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
6162.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
6164.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
去找你應該要知道現況有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
6164.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
6166.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
你怎麼知道有多少人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
6166.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
6168.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
我們會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
6168.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
6170.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
只不過我們要突出一個事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
6170.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
6172.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
所以國人要注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
6172.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
6174.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
這個明顯風險是提升的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
6174.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
6176.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
第二個還是要讓對岸知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
6176.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
6178.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
我希望我們要發揮既有的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
6178.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
6180.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
公開的資料也把現況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
6180.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
6182.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
失聯到底現在有多少人是失聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
6182.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
6184.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
如果說我們把中華民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
6184.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
6186.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
這幾年來失聯的人數都統計下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
6187.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
6189.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
去年就兩萬三了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
6189.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
6191.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
比這個比例還高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
6191.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
6193.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
萬分之一比這個比例還高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
6193.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
6195.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
難道就真的兩萬三千人不見了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].start |
6195.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
6197.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
會有找到的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
6197.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
6199.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
實際上現在還有多少人是找不到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
6199.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
6201.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
我覺得這應該也要公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
6201.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
6203.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
那另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
6203.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
6205.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
很多人都說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
6205.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
6207.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
到大陸很危險除了可能被關押之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
6207.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
6209.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
可能有活摘器官的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].start |
6209.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
6211.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
有沒有收到通報過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
6211.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
6213.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
6213.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
6215.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
我們一直現在的旅遊警示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
6215.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
6217.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
這層次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
6217.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].end |
6219.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
有沒有人通報對活摘器官的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
6221.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
6223.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
我們現在的旅遊警示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
6223.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
6225.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
這層次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].start |
6225.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
6227.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
有沒有人通報對活摘器官的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
6227.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].end |
6229.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
我們一直現在的旅遊警示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
6229.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
6231.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
這層次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
6231.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
6233.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
有沒有人通報對活摘器官的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
6233.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
6235.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
我們一直現在的旅遊警示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
6235.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
6237.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
這層次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
6237.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
6239.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
有沒有人通報對活摘器官的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
6239.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
6241.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
我們一直現在的旅遊警示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
6241.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
6243.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
這層次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
6243.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
6245.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
有沒有人通報對活摘器官的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
6245.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
6247.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
我們一直現在的旅遊警示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
6247.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
6249.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
這層次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
6225.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
6227.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
我們沒有收到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
6227.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
6229.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
我們沒有收到這個活摘器官的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
6229.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
6231.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
我們都非常的擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
6231.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
6233.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
希望未來也是把他揭露出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
6233.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
6235.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
誰不會有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
6235.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
6237.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
我也會很擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
6237.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
6239.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
那最後啊 抱歉沒時間了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
6239.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
6241.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
我不喜歡我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
6241.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
6243.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
兩岸當然是現在的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
6243.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
6245.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
怎麼樣 有些是政治的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
6245.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
6247.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
我會說可能馬英九時代 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
6247.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
6249.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
為什麼可以不用現在兵兇戰壮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
6249.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
6251.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
為什麼現在民眾時代 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
6251.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
6253.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
有些這個就會變成政治的吵架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
6253.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
6255.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
但是我不希望我們陸委會變成一個放羊的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
6255.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
6257.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
兩岸當然是有風險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
6257.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
6259.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
但是我們不斷的去傳輸一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
6259.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
6261.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
過大的可能不夠周全的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
6261.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
6263.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].text |
可能不夠周全的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
6263.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
6265.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
或者是蓄意堆出來的一些風險的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
6265.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
6267.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
當國人忽視了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
6267.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
6269.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
未來真的有風險發生的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
6269.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
6271.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
那時候我們的陸委會就變成放羊的孩子了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
6271.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
6273.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].text |
不會有人在乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
6273.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
6275.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].text |
或者是重視我們陸委會所發布的一個警訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
6275.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
6277.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].text |
我也希望說陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
6277.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
6279.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
你身為一個主任委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
6279.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
6281.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
不要變成放羊的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
6281.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
6283.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
跟您報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
6283.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
6285.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
兩岸關係可能跌宕起伏 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
6285.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
6287.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
但是我們的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
6287.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
6289.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].text |
重中之重還是關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
6289.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
6291.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
我希望未來真的風險巨生的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
6291.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
6293.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
我們陸委會所提出的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
6293.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
6295.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
不會再被國人忽視 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
6295.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
6297.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
而不是現在什麼都丟什麼訊息出來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
6297.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].end |
6299.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
大家都當作一個反反後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
6299.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
6301.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
消遣聊天的一個話題而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
6301.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
6303.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
這不是消遣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
6303.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
6305.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].text |
我們2017年像李明哲事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
6305.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
6307.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
那時候我們看到相關案件很少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
6308.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
6310.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
我們用全國在關心李明哲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
6310.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
6312.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
結果現在有402件類似的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
6312.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
6314.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].text |
李明哲不用做詐騙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
6314.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
6316.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
李明哲不用做詐騙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
6316.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
6318.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
就這樣謝謝主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
6322.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
6324.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
請王委會委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
6334.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
6336.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
這是我們前陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
6336.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
6338.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
剛剛海基會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
6344.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
6346.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
王委要好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
6346.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
6348.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
早上好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
6348.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
6350.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
6350.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
6352.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
我們覺得你有沒有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
6352.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
6354.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].text |
今天我們的主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
6354.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].end |
6356.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].text |
多麼擔心我們中華民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
6356.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
6358.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
台灣被迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
6358.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
6360.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
去到台陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
6359.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
6361.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
愛主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
6361.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
6363.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
因為有詐騙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
6363.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
6365.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
6365.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
6367.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
在這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
6367.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
6369.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
我覺得你們兩個會等我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
6370.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].end |
6372.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].text |
做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
6372.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].end |
6374.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].text |
真正好,一家人不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].start |
6375.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].end |
6377.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].text |
因為尤其最近 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].start |
6377.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].end |
6379.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].text |
也有我們中華民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].start |
6379.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].end |
6381.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].text |
台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
6381.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].end |
6383.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
6382.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].end |
6383.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].start |
6384.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].end |
6386.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].text |
不管他是出頭也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
6386.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].end |
6388.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].text |
去搶做生意也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].start |
6390.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].end |
6392.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].text |
因為在這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].start |
6392.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].end |
6396.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
我覺得你們會守著守著 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
6397.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].end |
6399.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].text |
讓八歲的認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].start |
6399.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].end |
6401.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].text |
我們台灣人沒氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
6401.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].end |
6405.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].text |
平常他還在台陸做生意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].start |
6405.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].end |
6407.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].text |
半天四個月就要回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].start |
6408.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].end |
6410.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].text |
他還在這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
6410.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].end |
6414.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].text |
他很在本來和你們討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].start |
6415.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].end |
6417.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].text |
他已經是一丹沒說的人了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].start |
6420.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].end |
6426.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].text |
我們政府單位是不是可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
6430.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].end |
6432.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].text |
我們政府單位是不是可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
6431.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].end |
6436.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].text |
委員,你講的這台陸的風險很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
6436.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
6440.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].text |
還有幾乎所有的委員、服務處 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
6440.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
6445.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
都會接到許多這個附錄、私聯的案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
6446.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].end |
6448.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].text |
然後他們的家屬都很緊張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
6448.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].end |
6451.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].text |
以前他們家屬很緊張的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
6451.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].end |
6453.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].text |
他就是煩惱 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
6453.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].end |
6456.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
這次你覺得要怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
6456.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
6459.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
有沒有辦法去家屬說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
6459.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
6462.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
你們什麼人現在沒錢去哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
6462.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
6465.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
委員,你如果接到這種案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
6465.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
6468.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
來上來我們海基會陸委會都可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
6468.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
6470.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
我們兩個單位會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
6470.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
6472.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
關心他們家裡狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
6472.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
6474.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
會去關懷訪視 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
6474.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
6476.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
如果有需要的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
6476.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
6478.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
我們也會接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
6478.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
6480.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
警政署的同仁一起前往 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
6480.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
6482.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
我覺得說得很好聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
6482.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
6484.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
做的會笑死人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
6484.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
6486.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
你覺得這台陸的陸委會會不會受傷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
6487.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
6489.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
委員,你怎麼回答得這麼清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
6491.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
6493.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
你不知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
6493.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
6495.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
各位市議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
6496.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
6498.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
我們給他們的消息就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
6499.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
6502.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
兩岸又沒有做好朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
6502.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
6505.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
所以這件事情也難找 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
6506.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
6508.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
董事長,主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
6508.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
6510.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
我覺得我們要救人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
6510.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
6512.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
不分什麼東派 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
6512.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
6515.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
也不分他是什麼黨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
6515.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
6518.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
這次他到中國的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
6518.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
6520.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
一直在中國做生意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
6522 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
6524 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
跪啦,在這個跪在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
6525.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
6527.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
都沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
6527.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
6529.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
連絡也不知道什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
6529.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
6532.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
跟你互相的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
6532.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
6534.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
是說我們兩岸沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
6537.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
6539.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
這樣就輸了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
6539.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
6541.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
我覺得這樣是很失禮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
6541.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
6543.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
委員,不可能是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
6543.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
6547.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
這個案件是我來向你請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
6547.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
6549.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
我們的主任是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
6549.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
6551.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
案件給你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
6551.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
6553.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
結果到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
6553.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
6557.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
你說我們跟國元沒辦法對抗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
6557.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
6559.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
你也可以拜託現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
6560.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
6562.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
因為在這裡做生意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
6562.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
6564.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
在這裡吃頭髮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
6564.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
6566.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
我們有多元管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
6566.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
6568.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
我們在報告都有寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
6568.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
6570.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
委員,案件給我們處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
6571.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
6573.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
報告都有寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
6573.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
6575.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
我們不是要寫好看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
6575.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
6577.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
我們是要寫好解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
6577.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
6579.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
大家都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
6579.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
6581.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
台中對我們沒有友善 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
6584.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
6586.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
也不說他在這裡做生意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
6586.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
6588.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
還做幹部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
6588.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
6589.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
是,了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
6589.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
6591.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
雖然他跟我沒什麼關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
6591.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
6593.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
也不說我們的好朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
6593.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
6595.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
他要分什麼黨派 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
6595.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
6597.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
他要分什麼黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
6598.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
6601.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
委員,你說案件是非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
6601.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
6603.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
6603.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
6605.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
我們為了最重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
6605.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
6607.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
不知道是我比較失禮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
6607.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
6609.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
還是你們比較失禮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
6610.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
6614.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
這一定會判刑幾個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
6614.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
6616.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
命給你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
6616.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
6618.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
一定要做幹部啊,我給你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
6620.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
6622.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
這樣喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
6622.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
6624.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
我們有接到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
6624.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
6626.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
來,請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
6626.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
6628.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
我來查你這個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
6628.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
6630.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
到底怎麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
6630.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
6632.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
因為董事長主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
6632.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
6634.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
他為什麼去這裡做生意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
6634.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
6636.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
因為他想要生存 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
6636.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
6638.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
他想要賺錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
6640.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
6642.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
結果你看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
6642.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
6644.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
他來聽證明國法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
6644.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
6646.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
來解決這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
6652.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
6654.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
這個,王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
6654.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
6656.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
特別給你報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
6656.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
6658.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
其實從過去一年半 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
6658.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
6660.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
18個月來,剛剛廖委員也有質詢過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
6660.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
6662.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
我們接獲通報多少失蹤案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
6662.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
6664.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
一共225件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
6664.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
6666.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
這225件中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
6666.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
6668.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
有40%又91件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
6668.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
6670.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
到現在為止,還是失聯的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
6670.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
6672.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
那有60% |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
6672.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
6674.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
134件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
6674.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
6676.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
我們追蹤到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
6676.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
6678.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
有一些他回到台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
6678.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
6680.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
有些仍然在被拘禁當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
6680.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
6682.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
各個案件的狀況不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
6682.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
6684.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
我特別跟你講一個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
6685.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
6687.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
今年這3個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
6687.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
6689.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
宗教案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
6689.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
6691.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
因為宗教信仰被拘留的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
6691.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
6693.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
在我們這2年來19個案件中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
6693.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
6695.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
有9件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
6695.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
6697.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
那你說危險,很危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
6697.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
6699.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
3個月,激增了50% |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
6699.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
6701.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
那你提到,我為什麼講宗教案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
6701.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
6703.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
宗教案件中包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
6703.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
6705.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
你剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
6705.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
6707.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
長期在中國經營 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
6707.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
6709.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
事業的商人,已經很久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
6709.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
6711.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
現在被抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
6711.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
6713.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
去旅行的被抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
6713.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
6715.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
去做文化交流的被抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
6715.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
6717.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
很多,甚至還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
6717.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
6719.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
不在19個案件中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
6719.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
6721.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
家屬沒有陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
6721.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
6723.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
可是我們得到資料的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
6723.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
6725.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
是在那邊長期教書的,也被抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
6725.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
6727.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
我特別跟你講,那經商在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
6727.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
6729.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
很困難,風險非常高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
6731.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
6733.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
宗教案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
6733.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
6735.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
宗教案件,雖然如果提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
6735.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
6737.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
附錄是橘色警示 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
6737.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
6739.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
海基會立場,就我個人看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
6739.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
6741.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
跟盧凱德的紅色警戒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
6741.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
6743.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
所以一貫道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
6743.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
6745.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
根本就是紅色警戒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
6745.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
6747.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
海基會在多次,已經2年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
6747.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
6749.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
不斷重複,告訴一貫道道親 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
6749.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
6751.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
朋友,信眾,不管什麼原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
6751.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
6753.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
不要去,但是這半年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].start |
6753.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
6755.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
這3個月來,激增了50% |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
6755.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].end |
6757.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].text |
嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
6757.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].end |
6759.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].text |
那其他中國經商,在那邊很辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
6759.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
6761.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
那很危險,各種案件都可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
6761.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
6763.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
可能是稅,可能被檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
6763.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
6765.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
可能因為同業競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
6765.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
6767.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
各種樣態都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
6767.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
6769.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].text |
你剛才講的其他樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
6769.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
6771.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
我們同仁會去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
6771.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
6773.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
到底怎麼做,怎麼幫助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
6773.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
6775.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
像你特別說的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
6775.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
6777.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
謝謝,因為當時鄉下主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
6777.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
6779.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].text |
本社要跟你們探討的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
6779.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
6781.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
我們會寫到水淡淡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
6781.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
6783.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
寫到怎樣怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
6783.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
6785.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
我寫到怎樣,我寫到怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
6785.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
6787.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].text |
在這400多個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
6787.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
6789.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].text |
200多個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
6789.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
6791.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].text |
縣委,在這個過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
6791.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
6793.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
他的交收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
6796.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
6798.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].text |
跟你說,要去那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
6798.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
6800.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
就讓人家變錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
6800.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
6802.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].text |
做召辦集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
6802.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].end |
6804.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
這就是不好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
6804.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
6806.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].text |
不好的時刻 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
6806.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
6808.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].text |
他們都怕這個人沒去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
6808.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
6810.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
我們也以前一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
6810.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].end |
6812.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
要去聯絡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
6812.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].end |
6814.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
因為這個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
6814.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
6816.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
現在交代 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
6816.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
6818.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
我們以前都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
6818.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
6820.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
我說你們都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
6820.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
6822.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
不要再拜託當地的大嬸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
6824.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
6826.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
很多管道可以找 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
6826.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
6828.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].text |
可是到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
6828.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
6830.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
你們只有會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
6830.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
6832.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
因為我們還交不通 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].start |
6833.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
6835.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].text |
普通我們還有很多方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].start |
6835.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
6837.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
像 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
6837.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
6839.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
我們有方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].start |
6839.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
6841.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
有很多方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
6841.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
6843.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
包括你剛才所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
6843.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
6845.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
台商的協會,或是旅行的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
6845.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
6847.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
或是我們其他的管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
6847.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
6849.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
其實每個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
6849.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
6851.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
我們只要接到家屬通報陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
6851.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
6853.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
非常能夠了解到當事人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
6853.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
6855.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
家屬的心急,為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
6855.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
6857.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
其實按照1999年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
6857.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].end |
6859.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
兩岸兩會共同打擊犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].start |
6859.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].end |
6861.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].text |
及司法付出協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].start |
6861.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].end |
6863.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].start |
6862.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].end |
6864.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
這就立即通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].start |
6864.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].end |
6866.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
立即通報我們當然就可以去跟家屬通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].start |
6866.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
6868.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
說你的小孩你的家人怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
6868.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
6870.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
但是從2024年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
6870.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
6872.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
他是選擇性通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].start |
6872.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].end |
6874.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
所以你剛才提到案子他不通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].start |
6874.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].end |
6876.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].text |
不通報家屬就會緊張 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].start |
6876.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].end |
6878.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].text |
所以第一個根本解決知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].start |
6878.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
6880.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].start |
6879.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].end |
6881.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
兩岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].start |
6880.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].end |
6882.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].text |
對岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].start |
6881.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].end |
6883.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].text |
按照已經簽署的共打協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].start |
6883.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].end |
6885.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].text |
司法付出協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].start |
6885.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
6887.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
第12條規定該通報就通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].start |
6887.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].end |
6889.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
通報家屬會不會緊張 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].start |
6889.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
6891.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].text |
除了通報之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].start |
6891.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].end |
6893.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].text |
我們在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].start |
6893.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].end |
6895.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].text |
他現在不通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].start |
6895.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].end |
6897.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].text |
他現在在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].start |
6898.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].end |
6900.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].text |
所以說當事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].start |
6900.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].end |
6902.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].text |
我們要中華民國台灣這個土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].start |
6902.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].end |
6904.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].text |
無論他是什麼黨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
6904.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
6906.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
什麼派 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
6906.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
6908.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].text |
主要去到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].start |
6908.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
6910.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
台中的心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].start |
6910.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
6912.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].text |
中國的心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].start |
6911.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
6913.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].text |
很煩惱 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
6913.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
6915.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].text |
最好是不要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].start |
6915.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].end |
6917.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].text |
不得已才去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].start |
6917.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].end |
6919.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].text |
把所有安全保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].start |
6919.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].end |
6921.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
的設施跟計畫才去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
6921.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
6923.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
我們問到的信眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].start |
6923.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
6925.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].text |
信仰道清 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].start |
6925.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].end |
6927.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].text |
絕對不要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].start |
6928.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].end |
6930.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].text |
絕對不要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].start |
6930.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
6932.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
對啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].start |
6932.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].end |
6934.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].text |
因為我直接要跟你兩位說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
6934.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
6936.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].start |
6936.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
6938.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
雖然要認真要報表 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].start |
6938.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
6940.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
我也知道你們很認真 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].start |
6940.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
6942.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
但是同時 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].start |
6942.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
6944.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
求助於你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].start |
6944.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].end |
6946.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
到不成為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].start |
6946.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
6948.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
我會告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].start |
6948.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
6950.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
我會告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
6950.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
6952.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
我會告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
6952.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
6954.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
我會告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].start |
6954.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
6956.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
我會告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
6956.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
6958.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
我會告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].start |
6958.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
6960.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
我會告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].start |
6960.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
6962.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
我會告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].start |
6962.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
6964.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
雖然 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].start |
6964.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
6966.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
雖然中國對我們不義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].start |
6966.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
6968.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
雖然對我們不義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].start |
6968.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
6970.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
要救我們台灣的百歲的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].start |
6970.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
6972.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
不管他是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].start |
6972.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
6974.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
在哪裡工作也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
6974.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
6976.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
工作也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
6976.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
6978.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
如果可以離開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
6978.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
6980.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
當然要離開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
6980.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
6982.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
但是有時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
6982.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
6984.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
所有的經濟也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
6984.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
6986.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
做生意也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
6986.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
6988.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
都已經在他身上了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
6988.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
6990.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
所以我問說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
6990.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
6992.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
百歲求助於我們的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
6992.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
6994.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
要支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
6994.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
6996.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
不是兩句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
6996.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
6998.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
公司要聽起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
6998.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
7000.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
很難過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
7000.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
7002.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
我們同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
7002.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
7004.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
協助的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
7004.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
7006.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
是我們多次的跟家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
7006.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
7008.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
我們說我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
7008.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
7010.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
下去訪視 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
7010.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
7012.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
還有提供更多的資訊給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
7012.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
7014.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
他一直都沒有進一步回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
7014.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
7016.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
你不知道他現在是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
7018.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
7020.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
他會抓啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].start |
7020.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
7022.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
他稍微說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
7022.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
7024.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
跟民運代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
7024.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
7026.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
他覺得說什麼話他敢說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
7027 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
7029 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
Guardian |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
7028.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
7030.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
Guardian的時候他會怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
7030.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
7032.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
尤其在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
7032.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
7034.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
南方也說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
7034.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
7036.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
跟你們說什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].start |
7036.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
7038.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
所有沒辦法給你回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
7038.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
7040.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
這種的謠言也很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
7040.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
7042.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
7042.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
7044.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
大家可以去中華民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
7044.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
7046.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
台灣做生意吃頭肉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
7046.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
7048.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
大家都願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
7048.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
7050.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
但是有時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
7050.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
7052.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
早上去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
7052.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
7054.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
他整個情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
7054.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
7056.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
都在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
7056.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
7058.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
我也有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
7058.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
7060.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
跟你們說好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
7060.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
7062.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
處理好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
7062.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
7064.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
我們不要因為個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
7064.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
7066.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
也有很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
7066.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
7068.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
去來我們報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
7068.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
7070.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
我們都可以一一來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
7070.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
7072.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
給他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
7072.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
7074.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
因為今天時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
7074.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
7076.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
下去就覺得等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
7076.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
7078.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
下週面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
7078.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
7080.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
給大家拜託 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
7080.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
7082.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
我回答一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
7082.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
7084.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
我們絕對不會讓我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].start |
7084.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
7086.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
跟我們投訴的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
7086.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
7088.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].text |
投訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
7088.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
7090.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
我們一定會積極樂此協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
7091.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
7093.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
7096.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
7100.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
待會待黃捷委員發行質詢後休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
7100.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
7102.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
我們現在會請吳奇明委員發行質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
7111.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
7113.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].text |
好 詹委 議會同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
7113.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].end |
7115.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].text |
請我們陸委會諸位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
7115.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].end |
7117.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].text |
還有我們海基會副董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].start |
7123.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].end |
7125.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
吳委員你好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
7125.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].end |
7127.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].text |
主委好 今天針對兩岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
7127.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].end |
7129.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].text |
兩岸的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
7129.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].end |
7131.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
我們都知道這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
7131.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
7133.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
在中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
7133.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].end |
7135.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
上一次陸委會召開記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
7135.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].end |
7137.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].text |
所有十幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].start |
7137.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].end |
7139.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
在中國十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
7139.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].end |
7141.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].text |
甚至有法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
7141.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].end |
7143.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].text |
那本席這邊的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
7144.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].end |
7146.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
從113年1月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
7146.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
7148.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
到115年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
7148.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
7150.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
就高達了400多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
7150.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
7152.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
那證明說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
7152.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].end |
7154.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
持續十年都在增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
7154.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].end |
7156.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
這是一個很嚴重的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
7156.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
7158.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
所以在這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
7158.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
7160.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
尤其我們陸委會跟海基會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
7160.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
7162.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
我們一定要說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
7162.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
7164.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
在兩岸這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
7164.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
7166.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
為什麼會有那麼多私聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
7166.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
7168.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
私聯的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
7168.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
7170.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
你要去解決這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
7170.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
7172.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
你要說充分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
7172.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
7174.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
去中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
7174.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
7176.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
有這個危險性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
7177.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
7179.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
所有私聯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
7179.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
7181.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
是不是說在明天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
7181.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
7183.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
都可以查得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
7183.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
7185.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
它是什麼情形私聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
7185.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
7187.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
讓我們國人知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
7187.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
7189.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
讓我們國人有一種警惕 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
7189.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
7191.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
你去到中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
7191.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
7193.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
就是有風險嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
7193.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
7195.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
風險你要自己去承擔嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
7195.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
7197.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
你要廣泛去讓國人知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
7197.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
7199.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
我說這是未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
7199.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
7201.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
我們要做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
7201.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
7203.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
不要說給它受理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
7203.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
7205.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
一直執念一直增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
7205.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
7207.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
這是好事啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
7207.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
7209.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
謝謝委員指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
7209.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
7211.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
確實我們都想盡辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
7211.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
7213.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
要讓這個整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
7213.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
7215.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
我們國人附陸的人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
7215.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
7217.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
包括私聯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
7217.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
7219.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
包括關押的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
7219.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
7221.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
或是被約談的人數要降下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
7221.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
7223.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
但是它還是居高不下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
7223.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
7225.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
這是一種警訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
7225.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
7227.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
是一種風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
7227.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
7229.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
我們必須要告訴國人事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
7229.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
7231.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
那另外一方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
7231.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
7233.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].text |
我們也希望對岸的執法單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
7233.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
7235.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].text |
或是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
7234.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
7236.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
當年跟我們一起處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
7236.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
7238.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
共打的機制啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
7238.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
7240.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
要能夠有作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
7240.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
7242.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
那截至目前為止啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
7242.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
7244.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
它選擇性的協助我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
7244.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
7246.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
確實沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
7246.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
7248.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
有效的把這些數字降下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
7248.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
7250.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
我們突顯以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
7250.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
7252.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
7252.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
7254.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
疫情之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
7254.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
7256.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
2019年以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
7256.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
7258.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
那時候我們的人身安全的風險沒那麼高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
7258.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
7260.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
那所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
7260.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
7262.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
您剛剛提到為什麼會這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
7262.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
7264.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
所以我們今天報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
7264.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
7266.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
就有把他可能的風險的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
7266.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
7268.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
跟大家報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
7268.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
7270.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
一方面他整個環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
7270.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
7272.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
特別是他設立了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
7272.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
7274.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
很多相關的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
7274.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
7276.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
他開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
7276.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
7278.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
對於台灣人過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
7278.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].end |
7280.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].text |
開始有約談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
7280.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].end |
7282.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
開始有用法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
7282.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
7284.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
來可能制裁我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
7284.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
7286.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
涉及違法的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
7286.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
7288.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
那裡面如果有涉及到國安的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
7288.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
7290.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
基本上他是不通報的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
7290.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
7292.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
所以我們為什麼國安只有一人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
7292.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
7294.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
是兩岸共打裡面就是沒有通報國安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].start |
7294.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
7296.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
那這些私聯的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
7296.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
7298.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
有154案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
7298.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
7300.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
我們現在還沒辦法去區別 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].start |
7300.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
7302.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
這裡面涉及有沒有到國安的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
7302.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
7304.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
所以這個都必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].start |
7304.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
7306.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
對岸跟我們一起合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].start |
7306.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].end |
7308.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].text |
所以這個都必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
7308.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
7310.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
對岸跟我們一起合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
7310.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
7312.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
他一方面鼓勵我們的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
7312.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
7314.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
到中國大陸去旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
7314.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
7316.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
去工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
7315.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
7317.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
去生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
7317.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
7319.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
二方面又製造了很多人身安全的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
7319.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
7321.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
所以我們必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
7321.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
7323.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
一方面提醒我們國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
7323.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
7325.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
要注意風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
7325.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
7327.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
那麼我們也希望對岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].start |
7327.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
7329.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
一定要來配合啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
7329.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
7331.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
過去對台灣的相關的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
7331.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
7333.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
來重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
7333.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
7335.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
並保障台灣民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].start |
7335.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
7337.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
附路的人身安全的作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
7337.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
7339.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
所以我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
7339.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
7341.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
是比較疫情之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
7341.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
7343.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
我們人身安全的案例沒有那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].start |
7343.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
7345.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].text |
那麼這兩年來特別的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].start |
7345.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].end |
7347.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
所以我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
7347.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
7349.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
為什麼會每個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
7349.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].end |
7351.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].text |
甚至現在每週提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
7351.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
7353.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
國人目的在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
7353.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
7355.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
但是數字不是重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
7355.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
7357.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
我們應該努力把數字壓低 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
7357.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
7359.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
這兩案都有責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
7359.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
7361.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].text |
那麼我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
7361.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
7363.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].text |
超支在己的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
7363.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
7365.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
我想我們跟海基會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
7365.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
7367.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
跟各部會都會通力合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
7367.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
7369.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
一定會給每個有需要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
7369.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
7371.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
國人包括他們的家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
7371.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
7373.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
我們要去提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
7373.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
7375.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
各種的法律諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
7375.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
7377.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
透過很多方法來降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
7377.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
7379.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
或是減少他們家裡的困擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
7379.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
7381.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].text |
希望能夠找到人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
7381.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
7383.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
希望他們在大陸的親人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
7383.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
7385.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
能夠回到台灣來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
7385.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
7387.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
這個都是我們的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
7387.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
7389.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
我們的目的在降低這個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
7389.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
7391.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
因為這個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
7391.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
7393.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
你看說一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
7393.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
7395.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
今年7月22日 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
7395.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
7397.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
又增加了126個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].start |
7397.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
7399.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
就是半年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].start |
7399.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
7401.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].text |
所以這個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].start |
7401.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
7403.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
真的很嚇人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
7403.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
7405.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
其實我們海基會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
7405.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
7407.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
也要扮演兩案的連線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
7407.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
7409.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
因為你過去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
7409.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
7411.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
共同打擊犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
7411.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
7413.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
共打辦得不錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
7413.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
7415.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
那你過去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
7415.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
7417.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
這個成績你還是要再繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
7417.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
7419.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
來兩案共打 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
7419.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
7421.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
要怎樣來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
7421.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
7423.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
促進說兩案的連線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
7423.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
7425.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
要怎樣來建立大家的互信 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
7425.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
7427.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
這是一個非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
7427.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
7429.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
尤其我們國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
7429.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
7430.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
就是光 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
7431.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
7433.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
這半年就到中國大陸旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
7433.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
7435.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
又超過了200萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
7435.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
7437.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
那真的這事真的非常嚇人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
7437.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
7439.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
所以我們未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
7439.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
7441.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
要怎樣來做先導 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
7441.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
7443.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
甚至我們國人要過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
7443.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
7445.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
我們幾個十年的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
7445.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
7447.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
都讓國人知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
7447.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
7449.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
讓他們自己稍微警惕一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
7449.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
7451.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
不要再造成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
7451.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
7453.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
那一邊又有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
7453.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
7455.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
又來怪我們中央政府沒有作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
7455.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
7457.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
那這是非常不合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
7458.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
7460.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
7460.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
7462.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
好那請我們海基會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
7462.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
7464.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
感謝委員關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
7464.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
7466.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
第一個海基會和陸委會公佈的數字和案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
7466.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
7468.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
都是真實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
7468.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
7470.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
每件都是真實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
7470.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
7472.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
只是我們必須去識別化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
7472.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
7474.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
因為當事人通常他會害怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
7474.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
7476.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
如果仍然家屬在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
7476.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
7478.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
仍然在他們手上的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
7478.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
7480.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
他們都不希望被公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
7480.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
7482.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
但是我們公佈的每個案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
7482.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
7484.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
跟數字都真實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
7484.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
7486.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
第一個第二個我們很明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
7486.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
7488.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
會告訴國人有哪些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
7488.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
7490.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
樣態是不要去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
7490.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
7492.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
比如剛剛我講宗教的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
7492.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
7494.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
中國是沒有宗教自由的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
7494.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
7496.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
沒有宗教自由就不會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
7496.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
7498.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
宗教交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
7498.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
7500.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
所以如果我們抱著在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
7500.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
7502.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
所謂宗教交流的心情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
7502.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
7504.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
態度去的話就會碰到問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
7504.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
7506.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
因為他沒有宗教自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
7506.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
7508.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
所以在過去三個月我該講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
7508.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
7510.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
因為宗教案件被羈押的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
7510.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
7512.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
已經超過是過去的50% |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
7512.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
7514.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
的成長率 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
7514.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
7516.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
非常驚人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
7516.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
7518.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
而過去兩年海基會跟陸委會內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
7518.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
7520.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
我們多方的告訴國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
7520.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
7522.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
和通過管道跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
7522.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
7524.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
一貫到總會也好團也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
7524.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
7526.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
就是說絕對不要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
7526.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
7528.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
但案件仍然發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
7528.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
7530.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
所以我們也期望透過韋德觀詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
7530.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
7532.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
把這個訊息再讓國人知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
7532.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
7534.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
不能去就不要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
7534.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
7536.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
第二個去了要做一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
7536.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
7538.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
萬全的準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
7538.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
7540.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
第一個對岸採取所有電子設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
7540.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
7542.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
的監控 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
7542.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
7544.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
可以隨時隨地沒收檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
7545.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
7547.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
這個都提升了他很高的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
7547.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
7549.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
雖然國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
7549.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
7551.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
赴中國大陸旅遊的人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
7551.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
7553.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
非常多並不表示去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
7553.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
7555.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
你一定會有問題但是去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
7555.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
7557.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
這個國家最大風險就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
7557.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
7559.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
你不知道風險的標準在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
7559.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
7561.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
這個有它的風險這個我們必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
7561.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
7563.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
告訴國人如實的告訴國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
7563.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
7565.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
好的好的那謝謝我們副總 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
7565.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
7567.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
市長我們都如實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
7567.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
7569.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
告訴我們所有國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
7569.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
7571.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
兩岸的觀光都採用對等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
7571.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
7573.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
的方式不然你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
7573.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
7575.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
光是半年就兩百多萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
7575.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
7577.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
過去那邊觀光 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
7577.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
7579.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
那我照台灣來的人數那麼少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
7579.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
7581.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
這都不能看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
7581.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
7583.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
我們還是要適度的觀光 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
7583.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
7585.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
好不好好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
7591.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
7593.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
我們下回請王洪威委員發言諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
7602.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
7604.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
7613.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
7615.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
7617.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
7619.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
我們內政部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
7619.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
7621.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
以及移民署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
7628.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
7630.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
國人好好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
7630.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
7632.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
7633.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
7635.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
7635.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
7637.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
部長署長昨天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
7637.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
7639.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
在日本熊本發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
7639.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
7641.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
七點一級的強震 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
7641.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
7643.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
所以大家就非常關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
7643.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
7645.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
現在還留在這個熊本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
7645.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
7647.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
的我們的台灣的民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
7647.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
7649.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
那但是問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
7649.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
7651.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
交通部現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
7651.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
7653.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
只能夠整理出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
7653.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
7655.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
就是組團 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
7655.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
7657.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
到日本九州的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
7657.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
7659.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
觀光團的人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
7659.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
7661.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
但是大家知道大家去日本旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
7661.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
7663.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
絕大部分都是自由行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
7663.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
7665.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
對吧其實參加團的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
7665.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
7667.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
也非常少所以我想請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
7667.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
7669.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
我們到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
7669.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
7671.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
我們內政部移民署 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
7671.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
7673.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
有沒有掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
7673.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
7675.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
我們目前還 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
7675.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
7677.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
滯留在這個熊本的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
7677.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
7679.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
這個台灣民眾的人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
7680.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
7682.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
7681.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
7683.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
7683.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
7685.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
這個我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
7685.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
7687.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
發生我們那個熊本的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
7687.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
7689.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
七點一的地震之後其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
7689.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
7691.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
這個我們有透過外交部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
7691.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
7693.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
去請外交部要來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
7693.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
7695.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
來協助這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
7695.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
7697.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
我們國人赴日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
7697.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
7699.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
7699.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
7701.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
那我們也立刻在我們電腦資訊系統裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
7701.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
7703.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
去篩率就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
7703.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
7705.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
在近這一週裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
7705.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
7707.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
那我們到九州地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
7707.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
7709.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
的這個熊本跟富邦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
7709.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
7711.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
不管是旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
7711.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
7713.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
或者是公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
7713.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
7715.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
大概有接近兩萬人左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
7715.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
7717.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
7717.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
7719.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
所以目前就是大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
7719.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
7721.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
你們現在推估有兩萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
7721.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
7723.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
在熊本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
7723.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
7725.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
熊本跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
7725.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
7727.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
就是九州區 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
7727.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
7729.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
九州區域就是可能在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
7729.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
7731.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
災區附近所以我們還是會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
7731.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
7733.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
希望當然這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
7733.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
7735.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
因為他們現在可能還會繼續有餘震 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
7735.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
7737.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
我們還是要去掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
7737.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
7739.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
我們台灣民眾不管是基於旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
7739.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
7741.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
觀光或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
7741.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
7743.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
他在這個商務的行程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
7743.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
7745.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
那更不要說台積電在熊本有場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
7745.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
7747.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
好那個我們能夠掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
7747.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
7749.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
好謝謝好那個署長請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
7749.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
7751.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
那我請一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
7751.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
7753.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
部長留下來請那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
7753.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
7755.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
警政署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
7761.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
7763.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
好部長署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
7763.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
7765.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
這兩天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
7766.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
7768.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
大家討論的就是有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
7768.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
7770.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
這個韋淳佑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
7770.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
7772.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
這個小編 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
7772.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
7774.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
那麼他所製作的由不得你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
7774.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
7776.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
7776.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
7778.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
那現在呢你們已經移送給 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
7778.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
7780.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
台北地檢署偵辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
7780.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
7782.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
在你們今天的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
7782.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
7784.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
報告裡面說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
7784.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
7786.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
他可能涉及的法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
7786.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
7788.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
包含這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
7788.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
7790.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
刑法偽照文書 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
7790.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
7792.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
包含刑法裡面的妨害民意罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
7792.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
7794.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
包含各自法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
7794.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
7796.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
那我也注意到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
7796.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
7798.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
這個我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
7800.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
7802.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
部長在接受媒體訪問的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
7802.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
7804.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
說這個是不能接受的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
7804.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
7806.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
你說這不屬於言論自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
7806.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
7808.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
範圍這是社會不能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
7809.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
7811.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
但是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
7811.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
7813.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
台灣最兩個寶不貴的資產 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
7813.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
7815.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
一個是民主一個是法治 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
7816.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
7818.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
所以我們政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
7818.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
7820.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
在採取很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
7820.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
7822.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
動作執法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
7822.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
7824.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
必須要有法律預制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
7825.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
7827.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
同不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
7827.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
7829.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
好那我想請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
7829.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
7831.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
在725 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
7831.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
7833.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
我們的警察到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
7833.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
7835.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
委全又家裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
7835.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
7839.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
去希望他能夠下架影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
7839.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
7841.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
7841.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
7843.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
當時我們的警察 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
7843.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
7845.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
執法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
7845.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
7847.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
有沒有告知委全又本人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
7847.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
7849.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
7849.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
7851.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
一門的他的父親 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
7851.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
7853.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
你們是根據什麼法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
7853.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
7855.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
來上門要求下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
7857.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
7859.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
好那 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
7859.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
7861.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
因為這個案件是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
7861.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
7863.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
檢診完之後我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
7863.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
7865.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
發覺有可能就是高度的AI |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
7865.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
7867.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
三維的這個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
7867.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
7869.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
這個情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
7869.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
7871.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
好那請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
7871.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
7873.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
當時你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
7873.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
7875.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
登門的時候已經完成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
7875.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
7877.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
鑑定了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
7877.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
7879.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
當時登門的時候完成鑑定了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
7879.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
7881.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
我們的刑事局有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
7881.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
7883.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
這樣的一個判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
7883.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
7885.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
當時有沒有完成鑑定啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
7885.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
7887.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
這個我搞不清楚嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
7887.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
7889.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
這個刑事局是不是可以刑事局來做那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
7889.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
7891.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
沒有沒有你先告訴我當時你沒有完成鑑定嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
7892.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
7894.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
你上門的時候我現在還原 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
7894.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
7896.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
25號當天啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
7896.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
7898.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
不要把那個待會再問刑事局 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
7898.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
7900.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
7900.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
7902.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
好所以當天連學長都不知道有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
7902.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
7904.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
完成鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
7904.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
7906.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
只是認為這有申委的可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
7906.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
7908.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
然後警察去執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
7908.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
7910.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
警察執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
7910.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
7912.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
有沒有告知 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
7912.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
7914.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
當事人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
7914.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
7916.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
當事人不在家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
7916.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
7918.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
一門的是父親他的爸爸說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
7918.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
7920.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
我是因為是根據什麼法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
7920.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
7922.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
我要求或者說希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
7922.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
7924.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
你把影片下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
7924.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
7926.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
這樣子啊就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
7926.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
7928.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
這個是一個沒有強制的作為啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
7928.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
7930.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
沒有強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
7930.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
7932.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
如果有法的話就可以有強制作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
7932.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
7934.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
所以你現在是警察上門道德勸說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
7934.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
7936.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
是不是上門道德勸說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
7936.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
7938.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
我先這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
7938.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
7940.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
我先說明一下第一現在這個案是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
7940.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
7942.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
還沒有移送北檢是在做偵查當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
7942.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
7944.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
案件沒有做移送 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
7944.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
7946.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
還在偵查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
7946.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
7948.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
第一個第二個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
7948.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
7950.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
我們這個發現這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
7950.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
7952.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
是一個AI申委的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
7952.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
7954.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
這個狀況那很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
7954.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
7956.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
這些的影片現在我們發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
7956.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
7958.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
很多影片就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
7958.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
7960.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
訪問的這些的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
7960.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
7962.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
尾的這個帳號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
7962.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
7964.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
我們要去查證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
7964.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
7966.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
這個是不是有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
7966.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
7968.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
這個帳號有沒有遭到冒用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
7968.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
7970.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
是一個掀起的一個查證的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
7970.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
7972.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
而且這個影片是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
7972.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
7974.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
屬於他來做製造的這種情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
7974.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
7976.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
我們影片都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
7976.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
7978.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
因為現在看到的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
7978.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
7980.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
學長我問你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
7981.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
7983.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
如果有人在家中住喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
7983.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
7985.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
他在看電視 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
7985.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
7987.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
或者是正在煮飯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
7987.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
7989.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
警察上門他會不會害怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
7988.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
7990.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
他會心生恐懼發生什麼事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
7990.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
7992.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
我們會告訴他來由不是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
7992.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
7994.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
不是你應該告訴他什麼法嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
7996.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
7998.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
我請問一下部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
8002.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
8004.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
部長我請問一下來來我們聊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
8005.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
8009.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
部長在7月25號警察上門之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
8009.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
8011.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
請問一下部長有沒有打電話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
8011.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
8013.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
給警政署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
8015.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
8019.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
或者是任何的一個內政部的下屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
8019.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
8021.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
然後你說這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
8021.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
8023.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
應該要做處理你有沒有打過電話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
8023.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
8025.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
完全沒有你完全沒有打電話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
8025.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
8027.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
8027.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
8029.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].text |
我是在接近 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
8029.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
8031.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
7點左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
8031.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
8033.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
問署長就是說因為現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
8033.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
8035.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
媒體有出現這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
8035.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
8037.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
是不是請這個刑事局或者是警政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
8037.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
8039.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
要發一個簡單的新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
8039.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
8041.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
就只有這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
8041.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
8045.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
所以當天警察上門的事情你不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
8045.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
8047.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
你完全不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
8047.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
8049.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
來署長請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
8049.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
8053.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
在7月25號警察去上門 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
8053.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
8055.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
去詢問要求下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].start |
8055.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
8057.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
之前你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].start |
8057.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
8059.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
完全不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
8059.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
8061.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].text |
那所以你這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
8061.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
8063.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
到底是誰要求的呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
8064.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
8066.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
署長這你所了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
8066.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
8068.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
我第一時間這次了解是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
8068.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].end |
8070.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
部長打電話說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
8070.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].end |
8072.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
這個有這樣的情形你了解清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
8072.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
8074.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
打給你什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
8074.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].end |
8076.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].text |
示範之後還是示範前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
8076.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].end |
8078.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
只有這個10點前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
8078.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
8082.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
知道這個狀況是什麼情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
8082.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
8084.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
可能要去了解之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
8084.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
8086.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].text |
所以你有沒有打電話給台北市警察局 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
8086.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
8088.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
或者是分局長之類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
8088.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
8090.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].text |
完全沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
8090.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
8092.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
請他做執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
8092.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
8094.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
完全沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
8094.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
8096.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
那你所了解這個是完全是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
8096.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
8098.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
刑事局 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
8098.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
8100.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
8100.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
8102.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
8102.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
8104.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
主動的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
8104.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
8106.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
另外我想請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
8106.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
8108.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
我們涉及的相關的法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
8108.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
8110.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
其中一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
8110.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
8112.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
因為剛才部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
8112.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
8114.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
這是社會不能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
8114.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
8116.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
因為我們在談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
8116.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
8118.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
有關於人民權益的關係的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
8118.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
8120.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
這社會觀感是一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
8120.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
8122.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
但是法是另外一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
8122.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
8124.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
第一個你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
8124.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
8126.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
偽造文書罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
8126.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
8128.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
這個其實包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
8128.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
8130.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
沈伯陽委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
8130.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
8132.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
後來在他的罪上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
8132.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
8134.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
他也有發文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
8134.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
8136.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
也許他也不以為然 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
8136.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
8138.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
這件事情的行為他也不以為然 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
8138.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
8140.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
但是他也講了一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
8140.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
8142.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
其實這就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
8142.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
8144.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
這個法律的ABC |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
8144.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
8146.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
也就是說偽造文書 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
8146.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
8148.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
第一個是冒充 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
8148.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
8150.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
第二個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
8150.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
8152.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
逐身損害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
8152.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
8154.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
而且是要冒充到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
8154.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
8156.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
有誤信的可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
8156.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
8158.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
有誤信的可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
8158.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
8160.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
這我們在法條上都很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
8160.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
8162.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
那這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
8162.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
8164.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
他第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
8164.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
8166.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
就我是本篇筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
8166.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
8168.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
請問一下我們用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
8168.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
8170.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
common sense |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
8169.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
8171.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
有沒有任何 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
8171.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
8173.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
有沒有任何一位民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
8173.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
8175.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
看到影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
8175.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
8177.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
會誤以為我們賴清德總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
8177.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
8179.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
是本篇筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
8180.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
8182.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
8192.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
8194.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
這樣的一個個案再去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
8194.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].end |
8196.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].text |
你們自己都說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
8196.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].end |
8198.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
你們已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
8198.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
8200.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
已經經過鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
8200.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
8202.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
你剛剛不是經過鑑定嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
8202.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
8204.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
那正好我來請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
8204.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
8206.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
這位是局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
8206.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
8208.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
請問一下你們是什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
8208.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
8210.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
鑑定出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
8210.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
8212.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
他是身為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
8212.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
8214.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
是用AI |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
8214.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
8216.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
合成的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
8216.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
8218.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
8218.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
8220.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
在整個過程中我們遇到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
8220.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
8222.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
我們接到這樣的檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
8222.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
8224.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
我們就會同步的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
8224.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
8226.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
這個帳號的使用人到底是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
8226.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
8228.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
然後也會做相關的鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
8228.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
8230.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
所以我們剛剛委員有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
8230.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
8232.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
委員有催訊到我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
8232.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
8234.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
為什麼去找這個偉業民眾的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
8234.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
8236.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
那個時候我們要確定他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
8236.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
8238.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
這個帳號是不是他使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
8238.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
8240.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
然後我們沒有做任何的強制處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
8241.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
8243.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
我們知道他後來回電話給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
8243.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
8245.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
回電話給我們之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
8245.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
8247.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
我們發現這個帳號是他使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
8247.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
8249.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
而且是一個團隊在製作的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
8249.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
8251.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
那表示當下也都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
8251.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
8253.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
這個直接到案的必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
8253.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
8255.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
所以我們就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
8255.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
8257.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
沒關係後續我們就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
8257.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
8259.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
做我們同步也在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
8259.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
8261.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
這個是不是身為的鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
8262.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
8264.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
好那請問一下你們所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
8264.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
8266.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
身為鑑定是什麼時候完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
8267.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
8269.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
也是當天的下午 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
8269.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
8271.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
25號下午 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].start |
8271.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
8273.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
所以你們先上門 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
8273.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
8275.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
後完成鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
8275.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
8277.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].text |
因為他我們就要檢舉我們就要開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].start |
8277.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].end |
8279.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].text |
所以與先你在沒有完成鑑定之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].start |
8280.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].end |
8282.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].text |
你就先上門 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].start |
8282.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].end |
8284.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].text |
我們就是先了解說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].start |
8284.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].end |
8286.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].text |
這個帳號的使用人到底是真的假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].start |
8286.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].end |
8288.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].text |
如果他表示說這個帳號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
8288.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
8290.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].text |
不是他用的我們調查的方向又不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].start |
8290.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].end |
8292.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].text |
但是同步我們是做鑑定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
8293.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
8295.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
好過你們做鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
8295.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
8297.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
我要講就是說一般的老百姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
8297.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
8299.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
當你上門的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
8299.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
8301.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
你只是問他這個帳號是不是你的而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].start |
8302.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].end |
8304.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].text |
我們當時去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
8304.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
8306.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
找這位偉先生說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].start |
8306.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].end |
8308.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].text |
我們是跟社區官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].start |
8308.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
8310.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
你有沒有讓他下架嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].start |
8310.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
8312.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
請主任帶我們去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].start |
8312.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
8314.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
我們也沒有進到他的家門 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
8314.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].end |
8316.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].text |
那偉先生不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
8316.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].end |
8318.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].text |
你先不要答分手問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
8318.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
8320.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].text |
你們有沒有讓他下架這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].start |
8320.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].end |
8322.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].text |
我們是說這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
8322.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].end |
8324.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
有沒有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
8325.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
8327.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
我們同仁有建議他是不是要調整或是下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
8327.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
8329.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].text |
對嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
8329.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].end |
8331.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].text |
我們沒有強制他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
8331.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
8333.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
第一個你是說你問他帳號是不是他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
8333.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
8335.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
然後事實上你先讓他下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].start |
8335.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].end |
8337.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].text |
然後你又講說事實上有沒有鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].start |
8337.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].end |
8339.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].text |
是在你上門之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].start |
8339.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].end |
8341.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].text |
才完成鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].start |
8341.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].end |
8343.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].text |
那我想請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].start |
8343.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].end |
8345.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
你們完成鑑定的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].start |
8346.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].end |
8348.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].text |
幾個小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].start |
8348.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].end |
8350.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].text |
我們現在時間上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].start |
8350.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].end |
8352.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].text |
原則上是最長會在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].start |
8352.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].end |
8354.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].text |
四個小時會完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].start |
8354.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].end |
8356.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].text |
但是現在的儀器 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].start |
8356.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].end |
8358.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].text |
都會很快 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].start |
8358.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].end |
8360.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].text |
看我們影片的長短不一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].start |
8360.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].end |
8362.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].text |
所以我這邊要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].start |
8362.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].end |
8364.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].text |
就是你們現在有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].start |
8364.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].end |
8366.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].text |
是不是身為監禮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].start |
8366.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].end |
8368.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].text |
我們其實討論到很多身為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].start |
8368.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].end |
8370.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].text |
包括學舉的時候我們都討論有沒有身為的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].start |
8370.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].end |
8372.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].text |
身為的問題非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].start |
8372.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].end |
8374.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].text |
我們真的是非常重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].start |
8374.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].end |
8376.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].text |
尤其別說你有性向 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
8376.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].end |
8378.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].text |
所以我們要講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].start |
8378.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].end |
8380.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].text |
你這種所謂的冒充 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].start |
8380.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].end |
8382.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].text |
你會不會主以為人家有性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
8382.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].end |
8384.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].text |
選舉的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].start |
8384.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].end |
8386.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].text |
或者是說有沒有什麼性的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].start |
8386.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].end |
8388.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].text |
那是更不能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
8388.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].end |
8390.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].text |
我們現在有很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
8390.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].end |
8392.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
過去有很多也是政治性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].start |
8392.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].end |
8394.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].text |
包含鄭文蔡先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
8394.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].end |
8396.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
他這個有沒有在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
8396.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].end |
8398.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
飯店私會女性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
8399.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].end |
8401.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].text |
然後這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
8401.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].end |
8403.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].text |
鑑定超過一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
8403.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].end |
8405.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].text |
那時候全部的人都在追 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
8405.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].end |
8407.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].text |
現在我們就四個小時其實就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
8407.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].end |
8409.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
完成當時的羅志正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
8409.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].end |
8411.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
委員也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
8411.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].end |
8413.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].text |
深陷這個有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
8413.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
8415.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
不雅影片在瘋傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
8415.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
8417.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
大家也想知道當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
8417.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
8419.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
羅志正委員他在選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
8419.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
8421.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].text |
我們也很怕他被栽贓被誤會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
8421.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].end |
8423.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].text |
大家也都在追 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
8423.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].end |
8425.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
那時候影片鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
8425.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].end |
8427.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
也是要搞很久 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
8428.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
8430.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
所以你們的影片鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
8430.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
8432.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
影片鑑定時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
8432.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
8434.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
是選擇性嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
8434.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
8436.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
好另外喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
8436.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
8438.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
我要特別講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
8439.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
8441.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
我說其實一般老百姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
8442.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
8444.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
碰到警察警察是保護老百姓的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
8444.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].end |
8446.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
我個人我自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
8446.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
8448.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
很有自信我從當議員到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
8448.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
8450.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
我都非常支持基層的警察 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
8451.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].end |
8453.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
但是一般老百姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
8453.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].end |
8455.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
碰到警察上門或警察傳訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
8457.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
8459.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
不說心聲畏懼恐懼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
8459.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
8461.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
這是不可能的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
8461.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
8463.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
這是不可能的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
8463.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
8465.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
那我們從這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
8464.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
8466.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
很多關於影片鑑定這麼多法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
8466.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
8468.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
這些法其實來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
8468.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
8470.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
我覺得都有問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
8470.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
8472.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
什麼你今天什麼刑罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
8472.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
8474.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
法壞名義罪老是說啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
8474.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].end |
8476.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
任總統就去告他嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
8475.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
8477.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
任總統就去告他啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
8479.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
8481.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
不要讓你們大費周章 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
8482.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
8484.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
好那我們一般老百姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
8484.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
8486.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
他在網路上說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
8486.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
8488.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
陳菊還在嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
8487.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
8489.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
四個小時不到就被傳訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
8491.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
8493.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
然後在那時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
8493.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
8495.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
這個超市雞蛋的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
8495.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
8497.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
民眾他買到臭雞蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
8497.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
8499.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
放在網路上說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
8499.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
8501.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
我買到臭雞蛋了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
8501.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
8503.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
竟然被漏頁徵訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
8504.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
8506.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
一般小老百姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
8506.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
8508.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
看到臭雞蛋在網路上蹦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
8508.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
8510.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
竟然也被漏頁徵訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
8511.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
8513.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
那之前台大教授蘇宏達 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
8513.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
8515.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
他應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
8515.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
8517.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
基本上他質疑這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
8517.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
8519.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].text |
故宮博物院政策啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
8519.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
8521.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
也是一樣警察局約談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
8521.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
8523.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
所以即便是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
8523.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
8525.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
台大教授或一般的民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
8525.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
8527.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
我要講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
8527.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
8529.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].text |
我支持我們警察執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
8529.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
8531.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
但是你執法要符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
8531.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
8533.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
所有的法定的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
8533.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
8535.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
這件事情你們上門關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
8536.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
8538.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
沒有告訴他你違反了什麼法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
8539.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
8541.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
另外其實也沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
8541.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
8543.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
連傳喚通知書都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
8545.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
8547.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
那一個老爸爸在家裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
8547.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
8549.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
嚇到要死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
8549.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
8551.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
發生什麼事情了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
8551 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
8553 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
我要怕兒子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
8552.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
8553.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
發生什麼事情了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
8553.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
8555.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
要被抓起來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
8555.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
8557.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
所以我們在講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
8557.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
8559.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
這些政治性的辦案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
8559.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
8561.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
應該把它減少到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
8561.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
8563.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
最低最低最低 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
8563.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
8565.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
可是我們依照講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
8565.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
8567.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
台灣民主之可貴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
8567.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
8569.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
是因為我們有法治 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
8569.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
8571.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
在後面做支撐 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].start |
8572.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
8574.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
否則的話如果沒有法治的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
8574.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
8576.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
你們所有的執法會被外界質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].start |
8578.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
8580.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
你們所有的執法會被認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
8580.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
8582.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].text |
違反行政中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
8582.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
8584.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
甚至覺得對特定人士的打壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
8586.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
8588.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
我覺得這點很重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
8588.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
8590.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
不要輕易 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
8590.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
8592.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
老實講我個人對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
8591.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
8593.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
我們很多司法機關法院跟檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
8593.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
8595.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
我都有很多的質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
8595.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
8597.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].text |
但是我一直都支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
8597.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
8599.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].text |
基層警察 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
8599.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
8601.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
可是今天起章在你們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
8601.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
8603.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].text |
在你們的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].start |
8603.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
8605.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
這個要求下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
8605.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
8607.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].text |
辦成這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
8607.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
8609.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
難道不該檢討嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
8609.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
8610.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
那我請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
8610.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
8612.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
8611.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
8613.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
8612.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
8614.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
8614.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
8616.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
到他去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
8616.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
8618.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
去到他家裡去問他這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
8618.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
8620.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
你事先知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
8620.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
8622.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
我剛才忘了問你這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
8622.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
8624.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
我們是同仁後來跟我講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
8624.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
8626.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
說接到檢舉去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
8626.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
8628.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
所以去沒有他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
8628.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
8630.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
他上門之前你知不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
8630.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
8632.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
8632.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
8634.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
你也不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
8634.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
8636.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
所以就是這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
8636.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
8638.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
基層警察激婆了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
8638.75 |
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8640.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
我們案件進來我們會有輪子的大隊 |
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8641.11 |
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8643.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
他們案件進來他們就會啟動他們的調查程序 |
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8645.18 |
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8647.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
所以程序上面就會確定這個影片 |
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8649.18 |
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他的帳號到底使用人是 |
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8651.18 |
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真的還假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
8651.46 |
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8653.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
如果是假的又要啟動另外的這個 |
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8653.46 |
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8655.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
這個帳號是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
8655.46 |
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8657.46 |
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真的假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
8657.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
8659.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
還要跑到人家家裡去問 |
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8661.73 |
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所以我們沒有去我們請地方的同仁去 |
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8662.74 |
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8664.74 |
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那不是一樣嗎 |
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8664.74 |
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8666.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
你行事急需跟地方的派出所去 |
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8666.74 |
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8668.74 |
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對民眾來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
8668.74 |
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8670.74 |
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感受不是一樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
8670.74 |
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8672.74 |
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你講話真好笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
8672.74 |
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8674.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
我知道委員關心的點 |
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8674.74 |
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8676.74 |
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但是我們對於這個過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].start |
8676.74 |
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8678.74 |
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我們也請社區的主委帶我們去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].start |
8678.74 |
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8680.74 |
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在整個態度上面我們都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].start |
8680.74 |
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8682.74 |
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我們沒有任何強制性 |
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8682.74 |
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8684.74 |
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我們沒有任何的強制性 |
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8684.74 |
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8686.74 |
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也沒有強迫他你這個影片一定要下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].start |
8687.82 |
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8689.82 |
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你不是要求人家下架嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].start |
8689.82 |
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8691.82 |
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我們是跟他講說你要不要調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].start |
8691.82 |
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8693.82 |
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你只是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].start |
8693.82 |
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8695.82 |
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那你誰要求下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].start |
8696.04 |
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8698.04 |
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我們是建議他你要不要調整或是下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].start |
8699.92 |
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8701.92 |
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你們這麼好心喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].start |
8701.92 |
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8703.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].text |
我們當時這個時間到我不要浪費太多時間 |
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8703.92 |
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8705.92 |
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我們當時在大罷免的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].start |
8705.92 |
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8707.92 |
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有多少這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].start |
8707.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].end |
8709.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].text |
什麼製作我們各種各樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].start |
8709.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].end |
8711.92 |
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還在這個在招牌上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].start |
8711.92 |
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8713.92 |
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在馬路上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].start |
8713.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].end |
8715.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].text |
要玩會會的臉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].start |
8715.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].end |
8717.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].text |
然後讓我穿什麼什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].start |
8717.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].end |
8719.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].text |
什麼軍服啦這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
8719.92 |
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8721.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].text |
我們要求下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
8721.92 |
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8723.92 |
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有嗎沒有人下架耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].start |
8724.19 |
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8726.19 |
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大罷免那個時候 |
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8726.19 |
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8728.19 |
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大罷免團體做什麼都是對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].start |
8728.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].end |
8730.81 |
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結果這一般我來信 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].start |
8731.93 |
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8733.93 |
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就這樣就說你就趕快說趕快把他下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
8735.58 |
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8737.58 |
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你們這樣的執法 |
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8737.58 |
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8741.58 |
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我不希望台灣在落後倒退到變成是一個警察國家 |
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8741.58 |
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8743.58 |
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所以執法非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].start |
8743.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].end |
8745.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].text |
執法我們支持 |
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8745.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
8747.58 |
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但是你一定要有法律上的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
8747.58 |
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8749.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].text |
在這一次這樣看起來 |
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8749.58 |
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8751.58 |
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你們在第一線執法就是有問題嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
8751.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
8753.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
否則的話你們應該講完就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
8753.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
8755.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
對就是我我們全部都是依法來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
8755.58 |
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8757.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
現在你看們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
8757.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
8759.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].text |
你們覺得全部都不是我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
8759.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
8761.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
這也代表說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
8761.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
8763.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
這樣的執法會引起 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
8763.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
8765.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
引起人民對司法的信任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
8765.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
8767.58 |
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好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
8768.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
8770.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
這點非常非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
8770.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
8772.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
尤其是這種已經是滿滿的政治性的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
8772.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
8774.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
好不好以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
8780.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
8782.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
下一位請黃捷委員發言質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
8788.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
8790.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
8790.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
8792.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].text |
拜託我們同事大家注意一下時間好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
8792.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
8794.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].text |
每個人時間都很寶貴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
8794.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
8796.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
我們先請邱主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
8802.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
8804.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
好主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
8804.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
8806.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
先跟您請教今天早上有一題是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
8806.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
8808.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
這個上海的小貓熊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
8808.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
8810.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
要來到台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].start |
8810.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
8812.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].text |
但是上海團遙船是被封殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].start |
8812.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].end |
8814.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
8814.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
8816.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].text |
台北市長講完就說我們陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].start |
8816.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].end |
8818.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].text |
質疑陸委會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].start |
8818.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].end |
8820.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].text |
這跟統戰有什麼關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].start |
8820.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].end |
8822.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].text |
那對你們是提出非常強烈的質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].start |
8822.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].end |
8824.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].text |
可不可以請主委在這邊說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].start |
8824.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].end |
8826.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].text |
這整個案件的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].start |
8826.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].end |
8828.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].text |
來龍去脈 |
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8828.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].end |
8830.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].text |
到底所謂的他們說這個 |
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8830.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].end |
8832.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].text |
小貓熊的這個上海團是什麼情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].start |
8834.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].end |
8836.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].start |
8836.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].end |
8838.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].text |
跟我們報告有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].start |
8838.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].end |
8840.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].text |
他們原本是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].start |
8840.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].end |
8842.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].text |
以這個包啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].start |
8842.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].end |
8844.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].text |
希望申請台辦主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].start |
8844.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].end |
8846.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].text |
副主任率一個團 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].start |
8846.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].end |
8848.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].start |
8848.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].end |
8850.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].text |
以說要延商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].start |
8850.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].end |
8852.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].text |
2026年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].start |
8852.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].end |
8854.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].text |
這個雙城論壇在台北舉辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].start |
8854.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].end |
8856.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].text |
這個名義那事實上他形成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].start |
8856.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].end |
8858.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].text |
這個規劃要這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].start |
8858.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].end |
8860.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].text |
小貓熊的見面會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].start |
8860.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].end |
8862.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].text |
那明顯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].start |
8862.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].end |
8864.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].text |
我們看到最近 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].start |
8864.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].end |
8866.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].text |
中共對台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].start |
8866.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].end |
8868.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].text |
施壓不管是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].start |
8868.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].end |
8870.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].text |
國際社會的打壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].start |
8870.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].end |
8872.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].text |
或者是在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].start |
8872.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].end |
8874.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].text |
周遭海域的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].start |
8874.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].end |
8876.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].text |
這個宣示對於我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].start |
8876.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].end |
8878.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].text |
有主權主權權利跟管轄權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].start |
8878.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].end |
8880.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].text |
不斷的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].start |
8880.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].end |
8882.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].text |
執法巡航對我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].start |
8882.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].end |
8884.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].text |
步步進逼極限施壓之際 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].start |
8884.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].end |
8886.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].text |
還配合這個相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].start |
8886.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].end |
8888.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].text |
這個活動思想 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].start |
8890.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].end |
8892.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].text |
日本也有給 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].start |
8892.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].end |
8894.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].text |
我們台北市動物園送來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].start |
8894.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].end |
8896.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].text |
小熊貓為什麼日本就沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].start |
8896.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].end |
8898.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].text |
見面會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].start |
8897.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].end |
8899.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].text |
為什麼對岸就要來搞一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].start |
8899.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].end |
8901.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].text |
有統戰的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].start |
8901.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].end |
8903.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].text |
見面會 |
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8903.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].end |
8905.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].text |
而且是台辦主任來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].start |
8905.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].end |
8907.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].text |
那我們認為這個都不太 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].start |
8907.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].end |
8909.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].text |
適合明明就是為了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].start |
8909.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].end |
8911.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].text |
炒肉這個見面會的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].start |
8911.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].end |
8913.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].text |
難道不是統戰嫌疑嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].start |
8913.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].end |
8915.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].text |
為什麼你跟其他國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].start |
8915.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].end |
8917.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].text |
那個小熊貓交換 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].start |
8917.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].end |
8919.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].text |
就不需要見面會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].start |
8919.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].end |
8921.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].text |
為什麼你要特地為中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].start |
8921.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].end |
8923.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].text |
他一方面在國際社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].start |
8923.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].end |
8925.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].text |
打壓我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].start |
8925.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].end |
8927.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].text |
在台海周遭不斷對台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].start |
8927.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].end |
8929.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].text |
步步進逼極限施壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].start |
8929.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].end |
8931.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].text |
然後另外一方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].start |
8931.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].end |
8933.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].text |
又來這邊用軟的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].start |
8933.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].end |
8935.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].text |
這個會鬆懈我們台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].start |
8935.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].end |
8937.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].text |
對整個中國大陸的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].start |
8937.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].end |
8939.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].text |
威脅的這個敵意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].start |
8939.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].end |
8941.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].text |
的這個鬆懈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].start |
8941.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].end |
8943.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].text |
那你為什麼要做這樣的一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].start |
8943.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].end |
8945.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].text |
讓對岸有這個機會呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].start |
8945.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].end |
8947.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].text |
所以我們是認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].start |
8947.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].end |
8949.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].text |
有統戰協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].start |
8949.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].end |
8951.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].text |
但是我們也只是這樣表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].start |
8951.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].end |
8953.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].text |
我們的看法但後來就沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].start |
8953.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].end |
8955.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].text |
這個案子來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].start |
8955.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].end |
8957.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].text |
原本我們也是想純粹救 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].start |
8957.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].end |
8959.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].text |
動物園的這些專業人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].start |
8959.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].end |
8961.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].text |
他到場來關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].start |
8961.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].end |
8963.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].text |
中國大陸送的小熊貓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].start |
8963.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].end |
8965.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].text |
也許無口後非 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].start |
8965.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].end |
8967.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].text |
我們也會這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].start |
8967.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].end |
8969.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].text |
但是我們只是說你統戰的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].start |
8969.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].end |
8971.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].text |
這些官員台辦的這些官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].start |
8971.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].end |
8973.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].text |
過去都在對台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].start |
8973.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].end |
8975.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].text |
做種種的施壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].start |
8975.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].end |
8977.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].text |
而且有很多不友善的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].start |
8977.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].end |
8979.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].text |
包括限制上海的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].start |
8979.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].end |
8981.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].text |
台商回台參加海基會的相關活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].start |
8981.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].end |
8983.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].text |
我們上海市的台商是最多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].start |
8983.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].end |
8985.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].text |
為什麼每次回來台商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].start |
8985.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].end |
8987.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].text |
我們都會這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].start |
8987.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].end |
8989.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].text |
我們都會這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].start |
8989.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].end |
8991.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].text |
我們都會這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].start |
8991.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].end |
8993.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].text |
我們都會這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].start |
8993.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].end |
8995.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].text |
我們都會這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].start |
8995.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].end |
8997.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].text |
我們都會這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].start |
8997.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].end |
8999.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].text |
我們都會這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].start |
8999.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].end |
9001.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].text |
我們都會這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].start |
9001.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].end |
9003.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].text |
我們都會這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].start |
9003.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].end |
9005.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].text |
我們都會這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].start |
9005.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].end |
9007.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].text |
我們都會這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].start |
8992.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].end |
8994.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].text |
回來參加我們海基會的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].start |
8994.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].end |
8996.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].text |
上海的台商一個都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].start |
8996.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].end |
8998.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].text |
上海市台辦在做阻撓嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].start |
8998.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].end |
9000.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].text |
我們都是跟他反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].start |
9000.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].end |
9002.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].text |
所以這一不友善的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].start |
9002.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].end |
9004.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].text |
當然我們為什麼要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].start |
9004.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].end |
9006.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].text |
同意他來這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].start |
9006.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].end |
9008.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].text |
做這個統戰的相關活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].start |
9008.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].end |
9010.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].text |
當然我們會有質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].start |
9010.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].end |
9012.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].text |
但是我們也沒有對他的申請案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].start |
9012.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].end |
9014.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].text |
否准 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].start |
9014.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].end |
9016.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].text |
然後他就沒有提了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].start |
9016.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].end |
9018.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].text |
整個案情的原貌是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].start |
9018.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].end |
9020.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].text |
好 謝謝主委的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].start |
9020.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].end |
9022.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].text |
對於統戰的風沙之說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].start |
9022.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].end |
9024.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].text |
他們根本就沒有提出申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].start |
9024.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].end |
9026.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].text |
所以就是單方面的自導自演 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].start |
9026.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].end |
9028.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].text |
再來這個統戰的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].start |
9028.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].end |
9030.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].text |
其實也講得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].start |
9030.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].end |
9032.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].text |
只要是對等尊嚴的前提之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].start |
9032.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].end |
9034.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].text |
我們跟各個民主國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].start |
9034.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].end |
9036.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].text |
都可以進行這種動保的交流也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].start |
9036.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].end |
9038.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].text |
各式各樣的民主活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].start |
9038.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].end |
9040.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].text |
文化活動的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].start |
9040.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].end |
9042.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].text |
大家都很樂意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].start |
9042.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].end |
9044.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].text |
問題是在民主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].start |
9044.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].end |
9046.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].text |
在這種對等尊嚴的前提之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].start |
9046.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].end |
9048.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].text |
但是一方面這個拿刀子威脅你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].start |
9048.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].end |
9050.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].text |
一方面又說我要跟你交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].start |
9050.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].end |
9052.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].text |
這種的不對等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].start |
9052.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].end |
9054.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].text |
壓迫式的交流我們不接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].start |
9054.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].end |
9056.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].text |
就這麼簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].start |
9056.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].end |
9058.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].text |
所以希望說這個事情我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].start |
9058.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].end |
9060.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].text |
陸委會可以說明清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].start |
9060.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].end |
9062.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].text |
再來回到今天的主題其實也是非常相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].start |
9062.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].end |
9064.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].text |
我們有非常多的國人去到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].start |
9064.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].end |
9066.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].text |
中國之後竟然失蹤了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].start |
9066.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].end |
9068.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].text |
失聯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].start |
9068.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].end |
9070.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].text |
那到目前為止竟然有402位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].start |
9070.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].end |
9072.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].text |
在中國失聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].start |
9072.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].end |
9074.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].text |
那這是一個非常非常高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].start |
9074.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].end |
9076.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].text |
數字那甚至是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].start |
9076.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].end |
9078.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].text |
在被留置盤查的32鎮裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].start |
9078.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].end |
9080.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].text |
有高達5成以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].start |
9080.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].end |
9082.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].text |
是公務員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].start |
9082.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].end |
9084.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].text |
這件事情我不知道陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].start |
9084.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].end |
9086.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].text |
有沒有進行詳細的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].start |
9086.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].end |
9088.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].text |
包括說他們特別盤查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].start |
9088.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].end |
9090.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].text |
公務員的原因是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].start |
9091.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].end |
9093.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].text |
那我舉一個最近的例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].start |
9093.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].end |
9095.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].text |
這個6月24號全州 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].start |
9095.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].end |
9097.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].text |
有一位現職的員警 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].start |
9097.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].end |
9099.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].text |
跟一位退休的員警兩個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].start |
9099.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].end |
9101.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].text |
去到全州結果他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].start |
9101.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].end |
9103.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].text |
上午11點入住民宿 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].start |
9103.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].end |
9105.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].text |
馬上六七名的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].start |
9105.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].end |
9107.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].text |
中共的國安人員就直接 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].start |
9107.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].end |
9109.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].text |
登門把他們帶到第三地 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].start |
9109.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].end |
9111.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].text |
進行偵訊然後偵訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].start |
9111.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].end |
9113.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].text |
長達六個小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].start |
9113.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].end |
9115.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].text |
那偵訊的內容竟然是問他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].start |
9115.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].end |
9117.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].text |
台灣的關鍵基礎設施的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].start |
9119.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].end |
9121.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].text |
是非常非常的嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].start |
9121.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].end |
9123.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].text |
甚至偵訊完之後要求他們不要回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].start |
9123.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].end |
9125.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].text |
跟台灣的機關報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].start |
9125.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].end |
9127.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].text |
那所幸他們回來是有主動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].start |
9127.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].end |
9129.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].text |
跟你們進行回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].start |
9129.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].end |
9131.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].text |
是這樣子嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].start |
9131.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].end |
9133.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].text |
是 跟我們報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].start |
9133.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].end |
9135.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].text |
有關於您剛提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].start |
9135.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].end |
9137.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].text |
留置盤查特別有一半 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].start |
9137.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].end |
9139.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].text |
都是公務人員都是他回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].start |
9139.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].end |
9141.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].text |
跟員服機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].start |
9141.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].end |
9143.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].text |
或是跟我們相關機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].start |
9143.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].end |
9145.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].text |
來做回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].start |
9145.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].end |
9147.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].text |
所以那些事實的樣態都是事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].start |
9147.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].end |
9149.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].text |
所以我們為什麼要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].start |
9149.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].end |
9151.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].text |
讓我們的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].start |
9151.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].end |
9153.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].text |
附錄一定要完成請假程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].start |
9153.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].end |
9155.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].text |
透過請假程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].start |
9155.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].end |
9157.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].text |
我們要呼籲我們公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].start |
9157.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].end |
9159.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].text |
要注意風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].start |
9159.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].end |
9161.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].text |
不管你的職位是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].start |
9161.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].end |
9163.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].text |
是基層公務人員也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].start |
9163.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].end |
9165.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].text |
或者是跟國安沒有相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].start |
9165.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].end |
9167.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].text |
中國大陸對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].start |
9167.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].end |
9169.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].text |
我們公務人員都很有興趣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].start |
9169.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].end |
9171.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].text |
所以這些人員都是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].start |
9171.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].end |
9173.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].text |
沒錯 主委你發個證明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].start |
9173.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].end |
9175.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].text |
中國大陸對台灣的公務員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].start |
9175.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].end |
9177.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].text |
很有興趣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].start |
9177.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].end |
9179.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].text |
因為透過公務員可以得知 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].start |
9179.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].end |
9181.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].text |
台灣非常詳細的情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].start |
9181.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].end |
9183.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].text |
甚至可以問到關鍵基礎設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].start |
9183.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].end |
9185.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].text |
這樣子的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].start |
9185.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].end |
9187.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].text |
因為你如果心中能設防 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].start |
9187.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].end |
9189.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].text |
很多的到中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].start |
9189.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].end |
9191.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].text |
很多的官員刻意的去籠絡你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].start |
9191.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].end |
9193.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].text |
去對你示好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].start |
9193.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].end |
9195.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].text |
或是送你東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].start |
9195.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].end |
9197.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].text |
你可能沒有心防 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].start |
9197.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].end |
9199.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].text |
你慢慢的成為他在地協力者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].start |
9199.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].end |
9201.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].text |
所以我在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].start |
9201.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].end |
9203.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].text |
要跟主委建議的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].start |
9203.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].end |
9205.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].text |
第一個公務員去到中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].start |
9205.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].end |
9207.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].text |
去旅遊或是任何的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].start |
9207.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].end |
9209.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].text |
本來就有一定的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].start |
9209.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].end |
9213.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].text |
這一定要非常嚴加的提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].start |
9213.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].end |
9217.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].text |
公務員大家為了自身的安危起見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].start |
9217.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].end |
9219.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].text |
該登錄的程序要登錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].start |
9219.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].end |
9221.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].text |
該留的通訊的管道要留 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].start |
9221.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].end |
9223.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].text |
這是第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].start |
9223.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].end |
9225.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].text |
再來像這樣子的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].start |
9225.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].end |
9227.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].text |
拜託陸委會一定也要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].start |
9227.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].end |
9229.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].text |
喊請國安局調查局警政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].start |
9229.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].end |
9231.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].text |
大家一定要協力作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].start |
9231.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].end |
9233.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].text |
一個這樣子的案件已經太多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].start |
9233.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].end |
9235.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].text |
這不是單一個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].start |
9235.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].end |
9237.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].text |
是他們非常系統性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].start |
9237.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].end |
9239.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].text |
想要對台灣的公務員下手 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].start |
9239.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].end |
9241.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].text |
最後我請教一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].start |
9241.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].end |
9243.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].text |
請問這一些公務員真的去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].start |
9243.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].end |
9245.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].text |
結果被留置盤查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].start |
9245.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].end |
9247.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].text |
然後被長達六個小時的徵訊之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].start |
9247.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].end |
9249.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].text |
回到台灣他們要通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].start |
9249.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].end |
9251.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].text |
請問要跟誰通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].start |
9251.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].end |
9253.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].text |
不論是公務員不論是一般民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].start |
9253.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].end |
9255.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].text |
或者是進行宗教交流的這些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].start |
9255.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].end |
9257.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].text |
一貫道等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].start |
9257.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].end |
9259.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].text |
這些人回到台灣他們要找誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].start |
9259.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].end |
9261.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].text |
是 跟我們報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].start |
9261.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].end |
9263.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].text |
我們的公務機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].start |
9263.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].end |
9265.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].text |
這個非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].start |
9265.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].end |
9267.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].text |
香港所屬的非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].start |
9267.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].end |
9269.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].text |
基本上跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].start |
9269.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].end |
9271.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].text |
員服的機關通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].start |
9271.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].end |
9273.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].text |
那員服的機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].start |
9273.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].end |
9275.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].text |
都會送來給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].start |
9275.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].end |
9277.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].text |
如果說一般民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].start |
9277.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].end |
9279.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].text |
像有一些學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].start |
9279.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].end |
9281.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].text |
被盤查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].start |
9281.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].end |
9283.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].text |
他們常常會主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].start |
9283.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].end |
9285.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].text |
聯絡陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].start |
9285.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].end |
9287.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].text |
那我們就去跟他了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].start |
9287.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].end |
9289.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].text |
所以我在這邊想要建議的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].start |
9289.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].end |
9291.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].text |
我們是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].start |
9291.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].end |
9293.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].text |
有陸委會一個統一的窗口 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].start |
9293.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].end |
9295.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].text |
統一的聯絡管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].start |
9295.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].end |
9297.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].text |
不論是一般民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].start |
9297.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].end |
9299.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].text |
他可能要向學者進行學術交流的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].start |
9299.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].end |
9301.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].text |
體育進行體育交流的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].start |
9301.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].end |
9303.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].text |
甚至還有很多進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].start |
9303.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].end |
9305.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].text |
這些宗教交流的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].start |
9305.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].end |
9307.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].text |
像是之前好幾個一貫道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].start |
9307.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].end |
9309.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].text |
也是遭遇到這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].start |
9309.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].end |
9311.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].text |
不論是被盤查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].start |
9311.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].end |
9313.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].text |
然後被威脅騷擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].start |
9313.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].end |
9315.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].text |
甚至失聯的情況都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].start |
9315.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].end |
9317.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].text |
那如果說各樣的管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].start |
9317.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].end |
9319.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].text |
大家分屬的所屬機關不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].start |
9319.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].end |
9321.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].text |
是不是陸委會就統一的窗口 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].start |
9321.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].end |
9323.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].text |
只要去到中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].start |
9323.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].end |
9325.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].text |
有遇到這些疑似 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].start |
9325.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].end |
9327.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].text |
你覺得被他們騷擾被他們威脅 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].start |
9327.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].end |
9329.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].text |
甚至他們把你無端的盤查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].start |
9329.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].end |
9331.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].text |
就跟你們報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].start |
9331.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].end |
9333.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].text |
是歡迎跟陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].start |
9333.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].end |
9335.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].text |
留一個窗口給大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].start |
9335.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].end |
9337.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].text |
讓民眾知道怎麼跟你們回報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].start |
9337.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].end |
9339.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].text |
那我們也會主動積極出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].start |
9339.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].end |
9341.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].text |
比如說我們到各種宮廟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].start |
9341.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].end |
9343.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].text |
各個宗教團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].start |
9343.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].end |
9345.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].text |
大陸都已經講得這麼清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].start |
9345.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].end |
9347.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].text |
說回去不要跟機關報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].start |
9347.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].end |
9349.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].text |
結果他們回來不知道要跟誰報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].start |
9349.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].end |
9351.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].text |
跟陸委會報告嘛好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].start |
9351.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].end |
9353.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].text |
跟原服機關或陸委會報告都可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].start |
9353.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].end |
9355.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].start |
9361.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].end |
9363.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].text |
好因為剛剛有宣告黃捷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].start |
9363.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].end |
9365.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].text |
發言質詢後休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].start |
9365.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].end |
9367.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].text |
那剛剛李坤誠委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].start |
9367.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].end |
9369.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].text |
有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].start |
9369.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].end |
9371.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].text |
希望你們留一位好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].start |
9371.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].end |
9373.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].text |
我們一位之後就休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].start |
9373.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].end |
9375.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].text |
兩位啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].start |
9375.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].end |
9377.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].text |
兩位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].start |
9378.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].end |
9380.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].text |
OK嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].start |
9380.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].end |
9382.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].text |
我會分手時間的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].start |
9382.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].end |
9384.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].start |
9384.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].end |
9386.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].text |
那我們就帶李坤誠委員發言質詢後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].start |
9386.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].end |
9388.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].text |
休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].start |
9388.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].end |
9390.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].text |
那就請李柏友召委發言質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].start |
9394.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].end |
9396.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].text |
我們照時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].start |
9396.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].end |
9398.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].text |
我們不會浴室那麼久還不下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].start |
9399.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].end |
9401.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].text |
那個今天的議題很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].start |
9401.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].end |
9403.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].text |
然後有幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].start |
9403.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].end |
9405.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].text |
問題我想要剛剛追問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].start |
9405.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].end |
9407.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].text |
我先請移民署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].start |
9408.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].end |
9410.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].text |
針對剛剛這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].start |
9410.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].end |
9412.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].text |
跨境鎮壓的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].start |
9412.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].end |
9414.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].text |
失敗民夫的這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].start |
9414.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].end |
9416.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].text |
那顯然的是這個香港的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].start |
9416.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].end |
9418.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].text |
是進來的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].start |
9418.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].end |
9420.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].text |
現在包含中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].start |
9420.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].end |
9422.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].text |
大陸地區的人民以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].start |
9422.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].end |
9424.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].text |
港澳人士入台的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].start |
9424.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].end |
9426.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].text |
這些相關的申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].start |
9426.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].end |
9428.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].text |
我想要請問一下這個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].start |
9428.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].end |
9430.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].text |
目前被收押的這個凶嫌 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].start |
9430.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].end |
9432.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].text |
他申請入境的目的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].start |
9436.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].end |
9438.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].text |
這個凶嫌他叫廖港發 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].start |
9438.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].end |
9440.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].text |
他是屬於香港 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].start |
9440.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].end |
9442.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].text |
何勝和集團的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].start |
9442.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].end |
9444.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].text |
社團啦就是屬於香港的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].start |
9444.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].end |
9446.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].text |
黑幫他是屬於何勝和的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].start |
9446.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].end |
9448.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].text |
那他是以觀光的名義入境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].start |
9448.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].end |
9450.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].start |
9450.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].end |
9452.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].text |
香港入境香港申請入境觀光 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].start |
9452.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].end |
9454.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].text |
跟中國大陸地區人民申請入境觀光 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].start |
9454.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].end |
9456.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].text |
有沒有差別 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].start |
9456.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].end |
9458.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].text |
有差別 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].start |
9458.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].end |
9460.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].text |
因為港澳地區人士他是可以線上申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].start |
9460.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].end |
9462.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].text |
所以其實他們也知道這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].start |
9462.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].end |
9464.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].text |
中國可能就是利用這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].start |
9464.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].end |
9466.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].text |
用線上來申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].start |
9466.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].end |
9468.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].text |
進來台灣翻了我想這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].start |
9468.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].end |
9470.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].text |
未來對我們包含國安單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].start |
9470.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].end |
9472.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].text |
以及移民署等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].start |
9472.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].end |
9474.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].text |
都有很深的警惕啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].start |
9474.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].end |
9476.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].text |
那也先肯定警政署這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].start |
9476.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].end |
9478.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].text |
來請署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].start |
9484.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].end |
9486.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].text |
也先肯定警政署這一次很及時的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].start |
9486.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].end |
9488.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].text |
在一個小時內可以在機場把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].start |
9488.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].end |
9490.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].text |
凶嫌攔下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].start |
9490.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].end |
9492.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].text |
那有沒有再進一步的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].start |
9492.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].end |
9494.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].text |
針對我們往上溯源的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].start |
9494.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].end |
9496.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].text |
訊息那可以安國人的心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].start |
9496.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].end |
9498.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].text |
讓國人知道就算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].start |
9498.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].end |
9500.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].text |
有這些相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].start |
9501.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].end |
9503.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].text |
類似的事件你只要趕快通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].start |
9503.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].end |
9505.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].text |
趕快報案那警政署可以保護國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].start |
9505.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].end |
9507.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].text |
是那這個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].start |
9507.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].end |
9509.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].text |
目前前面是羈押 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].start |
9509.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].end |
9511.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].text |
漸漸當中持續在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].start |
9511.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].end |
9513.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].text |
溯源或在地協力者偵查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].start |
9513.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].end |
9515.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].text |
那未來就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].start |
9515.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].end |
9517.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].text |
我們可以呼籲國人就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].start |
9517.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].end |
9519.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].text |
未來有遭遇到這些的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].start |
9519.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].end |
9521.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].text |
不管是任何的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].start |
9521.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].end |
9523.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].text |
的狀況第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].start |
9523.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].end |
9525.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].text |
一定要跟警方報案我們會掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].start |
9525.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].end |
9527.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].text |
這個第一時間的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].start |
9527.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].end |
9529.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].text |
像這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].start |
9529.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].end |
9531.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].text |
目前大概也有一些回血案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].start |
9531.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].end |
9533.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].text |
那我們知道的時間比較晚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].start |
9533.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].end |
9535.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].text |
那這個案件即使報案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].start |
9535.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].end |
9537.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].text |
我們會防止他就第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].start |
9537.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].end |
9539.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].text |
做偷渡或者是出境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].start |
9539.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].end |
9541.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].text |
那這樣的一個狀況目前看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].start |
9541.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].end |
9543.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].text |
好像是一個把待把的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].start |
9543.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].end |
9545.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].text |
加強第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].start |
9545.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].end |
9547.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].text |
防止犯嫌 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].start |
9547.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].end |
9549.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].text |
他可以馬上出境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].start |
9549.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].end |
9551.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].text |
所以第一時間就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].start |
9551.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].end |
9553.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].text |
一定要報案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].start |
9553.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].end |
9555.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].text |
不管是民眾看到或是當事人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].start |
9555.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].end |
9557.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].text |
都能夠第一時間跟警方來報案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].start |
9557.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].end |
9559.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].text |
那這個相關的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].start |
9559.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].end |
9561.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].text |
基本的作業流程我現在要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].start |
9561.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].end |
9563.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].text |
更加的加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].start |
9563.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].end |
9565.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].text |
因為我們在審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].start |
9565.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].end |
9567.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].text |
現在警政署的相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].start |
9567.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].end |
9569.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].text |
預算的時候也有一些機密會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].start |
9569.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].end |
9571.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].text |
那一些機密會議其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].start |
9571.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].end |
9573.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].text |
牽涉到過去可能這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].start |
9573.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].end |
9575.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].text |
國家基礎設 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].start |
9575.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].end |
9577.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].text |
關鍵基礎設施的這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].start |
9577.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].end |
9579.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].text |
巡護人員也就是我們保護總隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].start |
9579.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].end |
9581.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].text |
那其實在今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].start |
9581.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].end |
9583.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].text |
七月的時候也發布了其實可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].start |
9583.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].end |
9585.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].text |
有更多沒有回報警政署就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].start |
9585.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].end |
9587.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].text |
我們保護總隊已經退休的警務員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].start |
9587.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].end |
9589.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].text |
他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].start |
9589 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].end |
9591 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].text |
到中國旅遊的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].start |
9591 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].end |
9593 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].text |
被盤查帶走盤查署長你知道這件事情嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].start |
9593 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].end |
9595 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].text |
知道這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].start |
9595 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].end |
9597 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].text |
那你認為還有沒有其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].start |
9597 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].end |
9599 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].text |
同事因為我們現在的規定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].start |
9599 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].end |
9601 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].text |
相關職等以上才需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].start |
9601 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].end |
9603 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].text |
附入才需要跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].start |
9603 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].end |
9605 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].text |
警政署通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].start |
9605 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].end |
9607 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].text |
我們每個同仁到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].start |
9607 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].end |
9609 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].text |
附入都是都要申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].start |
9609 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].end |
9611 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].text |
核准才可以去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].start |
9611 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].end |
9613 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].text |
每一個案都是要申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].start |
9613 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].end |
9615 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].text |
這個核准之後才可以去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].start |
9615 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].end |
9617 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].text |
我希望我們申請核准之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].start |
9617 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].end |
9619 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].text |
那也要提醒同仁要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].start |
9619 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].end |
9621 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].text |
附入的時候相關的這些安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].start |
9621 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].end |
9623 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].text |
要注意啦 是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].start |
9623 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].end |
9625 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].text |
署長你會不會建議他們不要帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].start |
9625 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].end |
9627 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].text |
工作的手機過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].start |
9627 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].end |
9629 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].text |
我當然是建議不要帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].start |
9629 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].end |
9631 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].text |
這個標準的作業守則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].start |
9631 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].end |
9633 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].text |
有沒有這樣子建議 沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].start |
9633 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].end |
9635 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].text |
是沒有強迫啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].start |
9635 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].end |
9637 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].text |
還是研議一下要不然其實有很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].start |
9637 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].end |
9639 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].text |
相關的這些工作的內容也有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].start |
9639 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].end |
9641 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].text |
在這六個小時的訊問裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].start |
9641 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].end |
9643 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].text |
手機被拿去全部看完 有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].start |
9643 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].end |
9645 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].text |
所以這個比照我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].start |
9645 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].end |
9647 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].text |
這個電子業半導體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].start |
9647 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].end |
9649 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].text |
我會來宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].start |
9649 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].end |
9651 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].text |
我們手機的官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].start |
9651 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].end |
9653 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].text |
就是說有些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].start |
9653 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].end |
9655 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].text |
工作上的這些的這個狀況的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].start |
9655 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].end |
9657 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].text |
這個手機的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].start |
9657 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].end |
9659 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].text |
如果說你去理我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].start |
9659 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].end |
9661 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].text |
如果真的被拿去的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].start |
9661 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].end |
9663 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].text |
還是有這些相關的機密可能會外洩 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].start |
9663.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].end |
9665.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].text |
好那這個部分我們來研議一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].start |
9665.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].end |
9667.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].text |
好謝謝兩位署長請回請劉事方部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].start |
9670.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].end |
9672.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].text |
請內政部劉部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].start |
9676.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].end |
9678.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].text |
謝謝部長這個比較政治題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].start |
9678.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].end |
9680.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].text |
剛剛其他委員在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].start |
9680.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].end |
9682.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].text |
跟警政署為難了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].start |
9682.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].end |
9684.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].text |
很久 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].start |
9684.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].end |
9686.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].text |
說台灣是民主法治的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].start |
9686.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].end |
9688.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].text |
因此 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].start |
9687.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].end |
9691.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].text |
目前的法律來申為總統的聲音你無法可管 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].start |
9693.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].end |
9695.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].text |
所以警政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].start |
9695.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].end |
9697.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].text |
不論怎樣 除非剛剛這個刑事局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].start |
9697.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].end |
9699.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].text |
怎麼解釋 署長怎麼解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].start |
9699.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].end |
9701.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].text |
他就要先認定你員警的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].start |
9701.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].end |
9703.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].text |
員警上門是有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].start |
9703.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].end |
9705.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].text |
但是我必須要提出一點的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].start |
9706.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].end |
9708.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].text |
如果溫水煮青蛙 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].start |
9708.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].end |
9710.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].text |
可以讓這個無法可管 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].start |
9710.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].end |
9714.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].text |
仿冒申為總統的聲音不斷的發聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].start |
9714.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].end |
9716.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].text |
有一天他是輕微的游 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].start |
9716.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].end |
9718.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].text |
有一天他會是國安 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].start |
9718.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].end |
9720.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].text |
有一天他會是更重要的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].start |
9720.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].end |
9722.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].text |
部長我想請問你對這個案件的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].start |
9722.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].end |
9724.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].text |
是我想各案的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].start |
9724.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].end |
9726.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].text |
我就不在這邊評析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].start |
9726.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].end |
9728.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].text |
因為我今天有報告過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].start |
9728.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].end |
9730.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].text |
已經移送 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].start |
9730.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].end |
9732.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].text |
我要跟部長請問的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].start |
9732.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].end |
9734.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].text |
申為總統聲音這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].start |
9734.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].end |
9736.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].text |
是 有關申為的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].start |
9736.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].end |
9738.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].text |
它是一個高度的一個仿冒的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].start |
9738.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].end |
9740.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].text |
一個或者是偽造的一個技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].start |
9740.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].end |
9742.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].text |
而且越來越快 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].start |
9742.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].end |
9744.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].text |
我想不只是國家元首 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].start |
9744.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].end |
9746.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].text |
只要是重要的人物 包括很多民意代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].start |
9746.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].end |
9748.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].text |
未來在很多公眾次序上面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].start |
9748.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].end |
9750.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].text |
都會被利用為是一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].start |
9750.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].end |
9752.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].text |
選舉或者造勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].start |
9752.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].end |
9754.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].text |
或者是提出不同言論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].start |
9754.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].end |
9756.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].text |
一個重要的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].start |
9756.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].end |
9758.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].text |
那如果我們沒有依法來偵查的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].start |
9758.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].end |
9760.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].text |
真的會產生很多社會的亂象 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].start |
9760.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].end |
9762.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].text |
這是因為科技時代 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].start |
9762.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].end |
9764.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].text |
我們不得不用很快的速度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].start |
9764.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].end |
9766.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].text |
來防止這種影響到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].start |
9766.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].end |
9768.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].text |
未來民主憲政秩序上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].start |
9768.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].end |
9770.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].text |
發展的一個必要的手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].start |
9770.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].end |
9772.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].text |
對 因為現行的法制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].start |
9772.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].end |
9774.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].text |
可能沒有辦法到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].start |
9774.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].end |
9776.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].text |
可能只針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].start |
9776.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].end |
9778.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].text |
選舉的時候可能有針對候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].start |
9778.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].end |
9780.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].start |
9779.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].end |
9783.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].text |
這種申委的好像要在散佈不實影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].start |
9783.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].end |
9785.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].text |
或者是選罷法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].start |
9785.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].end |
9787.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].text |
或者是兒童兒少法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].start |
9787.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].end |
9789.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].text |
相關這些會有規範到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].start |
9789.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].end |
9791.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].text |
所以我覺得這非常的嚴肅 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].start |
9791.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].end |
9793.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].text |
必須要趕快大家來做一個深度的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].start |
9793.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].end |
9795.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].text |
來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].start |
9795.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].end |
9797.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].text |
好 謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].start |
9797.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].end |
9799.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].text |
最後我請這個陸委會主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].start |
9799.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].end |
9801.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].text |
部長請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].start |
9802.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].end |
9804.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].text |
李委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].start |
9821.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].end |
9823.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].text |
這兩個法律其實就足以讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].start |
9825.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].end |
9827.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].text |
台灣不管是在國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].start |
9827.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].end |
9829.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].text |
或者是在海外旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].start |
9829.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].end |
9831.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].text |
甚至進入到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].start |
9831.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].end |
9833.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].text |
大陸港澳地區都深陷危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].start |
9835.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].end |
9837.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].text |
我舉一個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].start |
9837.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].end |
9839.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].text |
這個例子可能在網路上很有名 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].start |
9840.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].end |
9842.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].text |
有個對中國一向是比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].start |
9842.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].end |
9844.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].text |
有一個台灣演員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].start |
9844.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].end |
9846.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].text |
比較喜歡在中國發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].start |
9846.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].end |
9848.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].text |
他叫王柔穎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].start |
9849.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].end |
9851.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].text |
那他在罪上發表了很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].start |
9851.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].end |
9853.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].text |
包含他在北京的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].start |
9853.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].end |
9855.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].text |
生活點滴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].start |
9855.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].end |
9857.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].text |
但是他遇上了一個糾紛之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].start |
9857.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].end |
9859.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].text |
被帶到派出所 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].start |
9859.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].end |
9861.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].text |
沒想到就被派出所所長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].start |
9861.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].end |
9863.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].text |
所長副所長進行思想工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].start |
9863.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].end |
9865.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].text |
那他突然就發現說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].start |
9865.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].end |
9867.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].text |
他在台灣不會遇到這種事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].start |
9867.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].end |
9869.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].text |
即使你舔著跪他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].start |
9869.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].end |
9871.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].text |
他還是會被盯上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].start |
9871.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].end |
9873.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].text |
因為只要灌上這兩個法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].start |
9873.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].end |
9875.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].text |
其實台灣人在那裡就是有危險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].start |
9875.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].end |
9877.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].text |
這陸委會還是要高度的宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].start |
9878.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].end |
9880.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].text |
是 我想我們國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].start |
9880.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].end |
9882.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].text |
遇到這些法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].start |
9882.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].end |
9884.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].text |
你連不表態的自由都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].start |
9884.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].end |
9886.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].text |
比如說你那個演員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].start |
9886.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].end |
9888.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].text |
像我們台商也是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].start |
9888.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].end |
9890.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].text |
他盡量不要談論政治 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].start |
9890.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].end |
9892.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].text |
但是現在的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].start |
9892.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].end |
9894.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].text |
就要求你要表態處統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].start |
9894.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].end |
9896.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].text |
你連劇統的自由都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].start |
9896.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].end |
9898.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].text |
你連不表態的自由都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].start |
9898.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].end |
9900.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].text |
所以這些法律都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].start |
9900.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].end |
9902.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].text |
威脅到我們國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].start |
9902.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].end |
9904.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].text |
特別是在中國大陸的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].start |
9904.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].end |
9906.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].text |
我們台商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].start |
9906.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].end |
9908.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].text |
風險最高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].start |
9908.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].end |
9910.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].text |
我還是支持陸委會要繼續的呼籲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].start |
9910.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].end |
9912.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].start |
9918.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].end |
9920.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].text |
我們現在會請李坤城委員發言質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].start |
9920.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].end |
9922.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].text |
發言質詢來休息五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].start |
9929.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].end |
9931.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].start |
9931.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].end |
9933.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].text |
我們請內政部劉部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].start |
9936.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].end |
9938.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].text |
警政署的張署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].start |
9939.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].end |
9941.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].text |
委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].start |
9941.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].end |
9943.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].start |
9943.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].end |
9945.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].text |
署長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].start |
9944.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].end |
9948.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].text |
今天內政委員會的專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].start |
9948.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].end |
9950.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].text |
這其實已經是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].start |
9950.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].end |
9952.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].text |
先射箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].start |
9952.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].end |
9954.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].text |
再劃靶了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].start |
9954.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].end |
9956.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].text |
它的題目講什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].start |
9955.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].end |
9957.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].text |
燃耳校長小編遭警突襲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].start |
9957.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].end |
9959.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].text |
插水錶的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].start |
9960.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].end |
9962.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].text |
檢視警察執法標準跟行政中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].start |
9963.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].end |
9965.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].text |
這個題目啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].start |
9965.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].end |
9967.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].text |
他就是認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].start |
9966.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].end |
9968.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].text |
這個我們警察去執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].start |
9968.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].end |
9970.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].text |
這不公道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].start |
9970.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].end |
9972.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].text |
是有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].start |
9972.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].end |
9974.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].text |
是行政部中立的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].start |
9974.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].end |
9976.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].text |
因為上面已經寫了插水錶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].start |
9976.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].end |
9978.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].text |
上面已經寫了插水錶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].start |
9978.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].end |
9980.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].start |
9979.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].end |
9981.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].text |
你會很尷尬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].start |
9981.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].end |
9983.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].text |
但是我覺得這個對於警察來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].start |
9983.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].end |
9985.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].text |
非常的不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].start |
9985.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].end |
9987.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].text |
人家有檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].start |
9987.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].end |
9989.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].text |
他去查案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].start |
9989.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].end |
9991.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].text |
結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].start |
9991.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].end |
9993.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].text |
被 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].start |
9991.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].end |
9993.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].text |
被我們內政委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].start |
9993.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].end |
9995.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].text |
今天來做專案報告認為是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].start |
9995.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].end |
9997.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].text |
插水錶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].start |
9996.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].end |
9998.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].text |
我想部長是不是要幫我們警察同仁講一下話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].start |
9998.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].end |
10000.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].text |
報告委員今天的題目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].start |
10000.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].end |
10002.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].text |
其實我們兩天前才被告知 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].start |
10002.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].end |
10004.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].text |
但是我們尊重立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].start |
10004.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].end |
10006.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].text |
處理這個專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].start |
10006.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].end |
10008.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].text |
但是我還是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].start |
10008.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].end |
10010.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].text |
台灣既然是民主法治的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].start |
10010.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].end |
10012.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].text |
那警察所扮演的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].start |
10012.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].end |
10014.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].text |
就非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].start |
10014.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].end |
10016.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].text |
我認為警察是人民的保姆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].start |
10016.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].end |
10018.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].text |
他對於非法的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].start |
10018.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].end |
10020.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].text |
那如果有按照我們的警察職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].start |
10020.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].end |
10022.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].text |
刑事法或是按照一般的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].start |
10022.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].end |
10024.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].text |
行政程序他們都會依法處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].start |
10024.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].end |
10026.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].text |
包括我們的基層警員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].start |
10026.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].end |
10028.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].text |
我相信他們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].start |
10028.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].end |
10030.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].text |
查查案件的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].start |
10030.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].end |
10032.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].text |
這個SOP在所有的這個警察 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].start |
10032.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].end |
10034.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].text |
養成的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].start |
10034.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].end |
10036.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].text |
都是交代的非常的清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].start |
10036.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].end |
10038.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].text |
所以我全力支持我們的警員依法辦案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].start |
10038.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].end |
10040.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].text |
對啊我們支持警察 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].start |
10040.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].end |
10042.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].text |
依法執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].start |
10042.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].end |
10044.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].text |
那結果今天的專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].start |
10044.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].end |
10046.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].text |
還是擺明說這是插水錶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].start |
10046.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].end |
10048.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].text |
插水錶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].start |
10048.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].end |
10050.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].text |
那這不是先說見再畫吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].start |
10050.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].end |
10052.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].text |
這什麼意思呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].start |
10052.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].end |
10054.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].text |
第二個這個案子是不是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].start |
10054.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].end |
10056.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].text |
台北警檢所在偵辦當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].start |
10055.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].end |
10057.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].text |
現在目前在偵辦當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].start |
10057.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].end |
10059.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].text |
在偵辦當中所以我們今天討論這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].start |
10059.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].end |
10061.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].text |
個案是怎樣是要干預司法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].start |
10061.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].end |
10063.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].text |
我們裡面都不會談到這個內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].start |
10063.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].end |
10065.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].text |
我知道你們有你們的分寸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].start |
10065.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].end |
10067.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].text |
我是說今天的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].start |
10067.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].end |
10069.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].text |
今天報告講這個題目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].start |
10069.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].end |
10071.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].text |
講這個已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].start |
10071.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].end |
10073.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].text |
這個在北檢偵辦中的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].start |
10073.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].end |
10075.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].text |
所以今天來做專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].start |
10075.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].end |
10077.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].text |
是想要來干預司法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].start |
10077.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].end |
10079.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].text |
那我再請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].start |
10079.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].end |
10081.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].text |
這個事情到我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].start |
10081.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].end |
10083.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].text |
局長在這邊嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].start |
10083.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].end |
10085.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].text |
來我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].start |
10085.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].end |
10087.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].text |
這個好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].start |
10087.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].end |
10089.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].text |
台北市長講萬安 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].start |
10089 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].end |
10091 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].text |
好他講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].start |
10091 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].end |
10093 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].text |
他說有事衝著我來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].start |
10092.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].end |
10094.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].text |
他不要針對小編 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].start |
10094.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].end |
10096.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].text |
插水錶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].start |
10096.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].end |
10098.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].text |
他就坦承自己呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].start |
10098.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].end |
10100.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].text |
這個有找朱立倫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].start |
10100.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].end |
10102.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].text |
然後拜託這個韋淳祐這個團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].start |
10102.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].end |
10104.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].text |
來協助宣傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].start |
10104.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].end |
10106.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].text |
講萬安自己承認自己去教說人家犯罪了喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].start |
10106.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].end |
10108.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].text |
來這個局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].start |
10108.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].end |
10110.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].text |
我在這邊就舉發 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].start |
10110.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].end |
10112.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].text |
去查一下講萬安 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].start |
10113.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].end |
10115.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].text |
去調查一下講萬安啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].start |
10115.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].end |
10117.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].text |
去約談一下講萬安啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].start |
10117.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].end |
10119.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].text |
約好說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].start |
10117.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].end |
10119.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].text |
不要不是說他衝著我來好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].start |
10119.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].end |
10121.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].text |
他自己已經承認了啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].start |
10121.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].end |
10123.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].text |
自己承認說他就是教說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].start |
10123.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].end |
10125.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].text |
這個叫做韋淳祐的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].start |
10125.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].end |
10127.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].text |
去做這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].start |
10128.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].end |
10130.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].text |
那我現在就要檢舉啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].start |
10130.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].end |
10132.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].text |
我現在就告發啊你們就要去查啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].start |
10133.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].end |
10135.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].start |
10134.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].end |
10136.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].text |
各位報告現在是剛才我們已經報警北京指揮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].start |
10136.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].end |
10138.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].text |
對啊現在又多了一個幕後的常紀人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].start |
10138.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].end |
10140.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].text |
他自己講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].start |
10142.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].end |
10144.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].text |
他自己講說講萬安他自己講他是教說的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].start |
10144.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].end |
10146.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].text |
難道不應該去查嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].start |
10146.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].end |
10148.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].text |
我們會配合檢察官的指示我們來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].start |
10148.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].end |
10150.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].text |
對啊那我就在這邊講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].start |
10150.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].end |
10152.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].text |
因為他自己都已經承認說他去教說的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].start |
10152.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].end |
10154.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].text |
就應該要去查啊對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].start |
10155.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].end |
10157.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].start |
10156.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].end |
10158.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].text |
我在這邊就檢舉他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].start |
10159.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].end |
10161.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].text |
要動起來啊事情都要動起來啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].start |
10162.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].end |
10164.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].text |
這邊不是說我是立委叫你查他去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].start |
10164.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].end |
10166.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].text |
是因為他自己承認的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].start |
10167.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].end |
10169.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].text |
他自己承認說他就是教說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].start |
10169.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].end |
10171.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].text |
有存在去做這個影片的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].start |
10171.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].end |
10173.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].text |
難道不應該去瞭解他的動機是在哪裡嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].start |
10174.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].end |
10176.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].start |
10176.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].end |
10178.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].text |
去查一下他自己講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].start |
10178.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].end |
10180.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].text |
這個不是我在誤賴他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].start |
10179.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].end |
10181.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].text |
好我再請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].start |
10181.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].end |
10183.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].text |
這個其實都是依法有據的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].start |
10183.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].end |
10185.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].text |
我看你們這個也都講得很清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].start |
10186.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].end |
10188.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].text |
這個你們有去做這個身為的檢測嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].start |
10190.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].end |
10192.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].text |
發現說這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].start |
10192.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].end |
10194.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].text |
還有呢這個語速啊音色 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].start |
10194.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].end |
10196.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].text |
呼吸的節奏聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].start |
10196.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].end |
10198.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].text |
特徵異常有一次AI生成特性嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].start |
10200.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].end |
10202.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].start |
10210.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].end |
10212.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].text |
就用AI偽造的可能性嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].start |
10214.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].end |
10216.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].text |
好那個聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].start |
10216.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].end |
10218.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].text |
他們現在講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].start |
10218.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].end |
10220.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].text |
那個聲音就算聽起來是賴總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].start |
10221.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].end |
10223.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].text |
我相信他是應該用賴總統的聲音去做變造的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].start |
10223.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].end |
10225.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].text |
那大家去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].start |
10226.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].end |
10230.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].text |
他說啊不會人不會相信說賴總統說他就是本評比 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].start |
10230.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].end |
10232.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].text |
然後大家就以為說這個賴總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].start |
10232.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].end |
10234.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].text |
還講他是本評比 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].start |
10233.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].end |
10235.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].text |
那如果按照國民黨的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].start |
10237.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].end |
10239.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].text |
那我也可以用盧秀燕的聲音啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].start |
10240.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].end |
10242.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].text |
我也可以用盧秀燕的聲音講說我是本評比 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].start |
10244.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].end |
10246.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].text |
我來自中年游子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].start |
10246.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].end |
10248.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].text |
中年游子來自台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].start |
10248.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].end |
10250.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].text |
因為我八年才檢查一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].start |
10250.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].end |
10252.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].text |
所以造成了這次的大問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].start |
10252.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].end |
10254.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].text |
可不可以這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].start |
10255.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].end |
10257.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].text |
大家都有可能成為案件的主角 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].start |
10257.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].end |
10259.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].text |
都有可能成為受害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].start |
10260.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].end |
10262.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].text |
所以啊這個東西迴力標會很快 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].start |
10262.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].end |
10264.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].text |
如果我們今天不去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].start |
10265.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].end |
10267.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].text |
他也可能變造盧秀燕的聲音啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].start |
10267.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].end |
10269.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].text |
他也可能變造蔣萬恩的聲音啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].start |
10269.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].end |
10271.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].text |
蔣萬恩他也可以去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].start |
10271.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].end |
10273.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].text |
就是用他的聲音去變造啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].start |
10275.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].end |
10277.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].text |
說好去推薦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].start |
10277.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].end |
10279.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].text |
這個受虐的幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].start |
10279.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].end |
10281.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].text |
他做得很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].start |
10281.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].end |
10283.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].text |
因為我的小孩也在這邊念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].start |
10283.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].end |
10285.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].text |
把他那個什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].start |
10285.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].end |
10287.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].text |
給幼稚園的一封信 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].start |
10287.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].end |
10289.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].text |
用他的聲音再講一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].start |
10289.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].end |
10291.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].text |
可以嗎蔣萬恩有可能成為受害者啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].start |
10291.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].end |
10293.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].text |
所以東西這個東西不去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].start |
10293.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].end |
10295.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].text |
那每個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].start |
10295.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].end |
10297.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].text |
不分黨派 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].start |
10297.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].end |
10299.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].text |
你我都有可能成為受害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].start |
10299.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].end |
10301.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].text |
尤其年底選舉要到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].start |
10301.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].end |
10303.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].text |
用這種聲違 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].start |
10303.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].end |
10305.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].text |
去變造 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].start |
10304.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].end |
10306.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].text |
這個選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].start |
10306.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].end |
10308.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].text |
都有可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].start |
10309.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].end |
10311.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].text |
那不論是縣市長選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].start |
10311.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].end |
10313.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].text |
更重要的總統選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].start |
10313.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].end |
10315.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].text |
他如果說偽造 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].start |
10315.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].end |
10317.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].text |
再一次偽造總統的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].start |
10316.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].end |
10318.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].text |
然後發布一些甚至 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].start |
10318.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].end |
10320.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].text |
跟國安有相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].start |
10320.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].end |
10322.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].text |
這都會影響很大啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].start |
10322.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].end |
10324.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].text |
所以我是支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].start |
10324.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].end |
10326.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].text |
這個我們的警察同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].start |
10326.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].end |
10328.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].text |
有人檢舉了就該去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].start |
10328.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].end |
10330.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].text |
就按照目前的警察職權刑事法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].start |
10330.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].end |
10332.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].text |
該去查就去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].start |
10332.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].end |
10334.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].text |
不要說這個報告出來說這個是查水表 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].start |
10334.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].end |
10336.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].text |
你們就有這個壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].start |
10337.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].end |
10339.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].text |
第二個我在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].start |
10339.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].end |
10341.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].text |
蔣萬恩去約談一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].start |
10341.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].end |
10343.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].text |
因為他自己說他是他教說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].start |
10342.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].end |
10344.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].text |
是他叫他出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].start |
10344.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].end |
10346.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].text |
那就是說衝著他去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].start |
10346.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].end |
10348.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].text |
反正你就去約談他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].start |
10348.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].end |
10350.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].text |
看他的背後的動機目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].start |
10350.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].end |
10352.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].text |
到底在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].start |
10352.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].end |
10354.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].text |
是不是要去干擾社會的秩序 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].start |
10354.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].end |
10356.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].text |
檢察官如果有需要他會找我們去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].start |
10356.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].end |
10358.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].start |
10359.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].end |
10361.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].text |
休息五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].start |
10367.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].end |
10369.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].text |
休息五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].start |
10370.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].end |
10372.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].start |
10375.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].end |
10377.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].start |
10378.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].end |
10380.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].start |
10408.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].end |
10410.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].start |
10420.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].end |
10422.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].start |
10425.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].end |
10427.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].text |
確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].start |
10429.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].end |
10431.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].text |
一年去日上半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].start |
10431.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].end |
10433.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].text |
接近四八月的日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].start |
10433.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].end |
10435.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].text |
然後一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].start |
10435.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].end |
10437.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].text |
上半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].start |
10448.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].end |
10450.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].start |
10449.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].end |
10451.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].start |
10452.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].end |
10454.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].start |
10454.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].end |
10456.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].start |
10456.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].end |
10458.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].text |
還在注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].start |
10458.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].end |
10460.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].text |
通常要過人失聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].start |
10460.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].end |
10462.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].text |
通常是很多人過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].start |
10462.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].end |
10464.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].text |
其他的家屬跟外交部報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].start |
10464.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].end |
10466.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].text |
所以他的家屬去日上半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].start |
10466.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].end |
10468.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].text |
他失聯可能才會讓他們查個地 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].start |
10468.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].end |
10470.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].text |
我只不小心確認反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].start |
10470.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].end |
10472.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].text |
我要跟他來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].start |
10472.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].end |
10474.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].text |
我只能知道真實的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].start |
10474.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].end |
10476.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].text |
所以就忘記了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].start |
10476.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].end |
10478.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].start |
10478.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].end |
10480.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].text |
就糾結說你沒跟他講這東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].start |
10480.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].end |
10482.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].text |
所以我們就進一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].start |
10482.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].end |
10484.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].text |
走到九州地區的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].start |
10484.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].end |
10486.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].text |
這兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].start |
10486.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].end |
10488.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].text |
現在是很漂亮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].start |
10488.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].end |
10490.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].text |
聽起來有點多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].start |
10490.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].end |
10492.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].text |
你跟老師很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].start |
10492.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].end |
10494.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].start |
10494.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].end |
10496.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].text |
我已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].start |
10496.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].end |
10498.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].start |
10498.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].end |
10500.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].start |
10500.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].end |
10502.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].start |
10502.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].end |
10504.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].start |
10504.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].end |
10506.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].start |
10507.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].end |
10509.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].start |
10732.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].end |
10734.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].start |
10736.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].end |
10738.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].text |
我們繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].start |
10738.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].end |
10740.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].text |
下一位請鍾嘉斌委員發言質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].start |
10740.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].end |
10742.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].text |
鍾嘉斌不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].start |
10742.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].end |
10744.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].text |
下一位請許宇禎委員發言質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].start |
10753.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].end |
10755.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].start |
10755.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].end |
10757.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].text |
我們請內政部劉部長跟警政署張署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].start |
10767.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].end |
10769.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].text |
部長好署長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].start |
10769.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].end |
10771.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].text |
今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].start |
10771.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].end |
10773.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].text |
特別安排了一個就是在上個禮拜六 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].start |
10773.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].end |
10775.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].text |
可以說是引起了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].start |
10775.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].end |
10777.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].text |
大家這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].start |
10777.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].end |
10779.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].text |
社會上的一個非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].start |
10779.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].end |
10781.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].text |
華然的一個針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].start |
10781.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].end |
10783.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].text |
有關言論自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].start |
10783.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].end |
10785.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].text |
還有涉及到就是是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].start |
10785.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].end |
10787.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].text |
有查水表還有警方的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].start |
10787.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].end |
10789.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].text |
執法的這個標準跟行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].start |
10789.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].end |
10791.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].text |
中立到底有沒有什麼問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].start |
10791.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].end |
10793.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].text |
所以今天特別安排這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].start |
10793.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].end |
10795.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].text |
的一個這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].start |
10795.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].end |
10797.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].text |
報告那我想中華民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].start |
10797.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].end |
10799.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].text |
剛剛剛剛部長也特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].start |
10799.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].end |
10801.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].text |
中華民國是一個法治的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].start |
10801.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].end |
10803.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].text |
那絕對也不允許 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].start |
10803.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].end |
10805.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].text |
就是偽造別人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].start |
10805.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].end |
10807.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].text |
的聲音那請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].start |
10807.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].end |
10809.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].text |
部長請問一下就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].start |
10809.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].end |
10811.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].text |
偽造啊的定義是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].start |
10811.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].end |
10813.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].text |
可以請你說明嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].start |
10813.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].end |
10815.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].text |
嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].start |
10814.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].end |
10816.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].text |
華然 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].start |
10816.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].end |
10818.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].text |
請部長好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].start |
10818.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].end |
10820.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].start |
10820.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].end |
10822.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].text |
報告委員偽造一般 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].start |
10822.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].end |
10824.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].text |
如果有法律上的定義的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].start |
10824.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].end |
10826.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].text |
我們是尊重法律上的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].start |
10826.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].end |
10828.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].text |
那我告訴部長法律上的定義是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].start |
10828.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].end |
10830.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].text |
會經授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].start |
10830.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].end |
10832.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].text |
冒用他人名義 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].start |
10832.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].end |
10834.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].text |
這是偽造的定義那你在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].start |
10834.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].end |
10836.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].text |
這個影片中你可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].start |
10836.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].end |
10838.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].text |
一開始就講說我是本田筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].start |
10838.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].end |
10840.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].text |
那所以說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].start |
10840.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].end |
10842.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].text |
影片中有冒用他人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].start |
10842.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].end |
10844.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].text |
名義嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].start |
10845.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].end |
10847.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].text |
報告委員影片的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].start |
10847.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].end |
10849.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].text |
所有的內容的來源之中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].start |
10849.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].end |
10851.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].text |
我想文書的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].start |
10851.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].end |
10853.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].text |
不是只有影片本身還包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].start |
10853.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].end |
10855.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].text |
聲音也是文書裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].start |
10855.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].end |
10857.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].text |
會經授權冒用他人名義嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].start |
10857.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].end |
10859.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].text |
所以我現在請教你的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].start |
10859.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].end |
10861.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].text |
這個影片有冒用他人名義嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].start |
10863.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].end |
10865.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].text |
要看這個總編的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].start |
10865.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].end |
10867.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].text |
影音影帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].start |
10867.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].end |
10869.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].text |
是全部不是只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].start |
10869.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].end |
10871.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].text |
段章曲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].start |
10871.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].end |
10873.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].text |
那他現在有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].start |
10873.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].end |
10875.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].text |
他上面寫字稱我是本田筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].start |
10875.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].end |
10877.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].text |
從頭到尾都沒有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].start |
10877.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].end |
10879.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].text |
賴總統的名字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].start |
10879.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].end |
10881.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].text |
我們的重點就是在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].start |
10881.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].end |
10883.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].text |
這個影音 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].start |
10883.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].end |
10885.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].text |
到底有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].start |
10885.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].end |
10887.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].text |
我覺得我們一直在強調說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].start |
10887.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].end |
10889.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].text |
台灣是民主法治的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].start |
10889.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].end |
10891.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].text |
所以言論自由是相當重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].start |
10891.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].end |
10893.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].text |
那所以說連司法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].start |
10893.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].end |
10895.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].text |
也都提到說基於時事的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].start |
10895.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].end |
10897.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].text |
諷刺評論跟創作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].start |
10897.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].end |
10901.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].text |
屬於憲法保障的言論自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].start |
10901.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].end |
10903.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].text |
所以說針對這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].start |
10903.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].end |
10905.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].text |
這個司法院的這個見解是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].start |
10905.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].end |
10907.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].text |
那請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].start |
10907.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].end |
10909.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].text |
我們不能是尊重言論自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].start |
10909.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].end |
10911.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].text |
跟創造自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].start |
10911.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].end |
10913.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].text |
但是言論自由不能去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].start |
10913.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].end |
10915.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].text |
觸犯到法律的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].start |
10915.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].end |
10917.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].text |
好那我們就來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].start |
10917.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].end |
10919.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].text |
來看好一下就是這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].start |
10919.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].end |
10921.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].text |
我們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].start |
10921.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].end |
10923.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].text |
他是7月24上架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].start |
10923.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].end |
10925.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].text |
那7月25下午 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].start |
10925.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].end |
10927.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].text |
那我們的員警就登門 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].start |
10927.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].end |
10929.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].text |
去這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].start |
10929.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].end |
10931.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].text |
直接說要去找尾存佑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].start |
10931.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].end |
10933.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].text |
請問一下當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].start |
10933.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].end |
10935.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].text |
有任何的依據可以登門上訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].start |
10935.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].end |
10937.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].text |
這個上去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].start |
10937.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].end |
10939.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].text |
要說要找尾存佑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].start |
10939.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].end |
10941.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].text |
而且要他去製作筆錄嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].start |
10939.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].end |
10941.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].text |
那這個是前置的對於是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].start |
10941.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].end |
10943.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].text |
查證他的這個帳號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].start |
10943.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].end |
10945.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].text |
有沒有被冒用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].start |
10945.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].end |
10947.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].text |
那為什麼你還去做筆錄呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].start |
10947.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].end |
10949.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].text |
沒有因為查證完之後就沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].start |
10949.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].end |
10951.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].text |
他講說是他就沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].start |
10951.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].end |
10953.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].text |
要求我來製作筆錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].start |
10953.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].end |
10955.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].text |
那所以說就老師對這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].start |
10955.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].end |
10957.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].text |
你們就已經查證了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].start |
10957.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].end |
10959.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].text |
因為這個案因為是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].start |
10959.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].end |
10961.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].text |
可能就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].start |
10961.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].end |
10963.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].text |
色顯語音的部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].start |
10963.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].end |
10965.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].text |
剛講的就是說如果是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].start |
10965.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].end |
10967.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].text |
這個偽造的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].start |
10967.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].end |
10969.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].text |
就是說會讓人家冒認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].start |
10969.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].end |
10971.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].text |
或是你們會覺得會認為是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].start |
10971.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].end |
10973.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].text |
總統的這個聲音所會引起 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].start |
10973.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].end |
10975.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].text |
這樣的部分可是你看一開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].start |
10975.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].end |
10977.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].text |
就講我是本篇筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].start |
10977.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].end |
10979.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].text |
那部長會相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].start |
10979.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].end |
10981.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].text |
這個是賴總統自己的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].start |
10981.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].end |
10983.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].text |
配音然後自稱嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].start |
10983.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].end |
10985.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].text |
我是一統這個我是本篇筆嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].start |
10985.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].end |
10987.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].text |
部長您看到這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].start |
10987.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].end |
10989.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].text |
影片您會認為是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].start |
10989.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].end |
10991.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].text |
總統的聲音嗎是總統本人嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].start |
10991.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].end |
10993.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].text |
報告委員因為這件已經北檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].start |
10993.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].end |
10995.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].text |
在偵辦我這不做任何評析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].start |
10995.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].end |
10997.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].text |
我想這不是不做任何評析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].start |
10997.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].end |
10999.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].text |
報告委員我們要尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].start |
10999.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].end |
11001.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].text |
司法警察在辦案所以你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].start |
11001.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].end |
11003.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].text |
如果做任何評析的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].start |
11003.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].end |
11005.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].text |
反而會影響到辦案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].start |
11005.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].end |
11007.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].text |
剛剛在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].start |
11007.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].end |
11009.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].text |
我們在開會之前您有受訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].start |
11009.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].end |
11011.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].text |
你就有講啦你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].start |
11011.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].end |
11013.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].text |
這個台灣這個是屬於民主法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].start |
11013.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].end |
11015.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].text |
這個國家保障言論自由但不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].start |
11015.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].end |
11017.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].text |
偽造別人的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].start |
11017.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].end |
11019.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].text |
所以這個是通案嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].start |
11019.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].end |
11021.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].text |
而且是在這個過程你已經有受訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].start |
11021.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].end |
11023.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].text |
不能偽造別人的聲音我沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].start |
11023.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].end |
11025.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].text |
好那我再請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].start |
11025.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].end |
11027.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].text |
專業的部分來去請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].start |
11027.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].end |
11029.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].text |
第一個就是好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].start |
11029.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].end |
11031.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].text |
我們的報告說本案警方依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].start |
11031.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].end |
11033.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].text |
這個檢舉內容依法查證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].start |
11033.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].end |
11035.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].text |
依刑事訴訟法230條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].start |
11035.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].end |
11037.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].text |
跟231條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].start |
11037.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].end |
11039.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].text |
就是因為司法警察知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].start |
11039.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].end |
11041.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].text |
有犯罪嫌疑所以就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].start |
11041.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].end |
11043.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].text |
跟這個疾赴有調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].start |
11043.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].end |
11045.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].text |
跟保全證據的法定責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].start |
11045.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].end |
11047.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].text |
所以日後只要有人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].start |
11047.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].end |
11049.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].text |
檢舉這樣的案件所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].start |
11049.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].end |
11051.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].text |
所以這個警察就是一定會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].start |
11051.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].end |
11053.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].text |
案零查訪嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].start |
11053.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].end |
11055.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].text |
我想就是因為個案的這個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].start |
11055.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].end |
11057.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].text |
就是我們會依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].start |
11057.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].end |
11059.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].text |
的個案的偵查的程序 |
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11059.73 |
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11061.73 |
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去做了解 |
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11061.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].end |
11063.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].text |
24號下午下午25號 |
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11063.73 |
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11065.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].text |
就上門都查訪嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].start |
11065.73 |
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11067.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].text |
現在看起來就是說這一些 |
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11067.73 |
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11069.73 |
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的這個是不是偽造變造 |
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11069.73 |
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11071.73 |
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那這些帳號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].start |
11071.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].end |
11073.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].text |
這個帳號是非常重要確定是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].start |
11073.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].end |
11075.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].text |
國外是國內是非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].start |
11075.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].end |
11077.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].text |
是不是本人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].start |
11077.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].end |
11079.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].text |
就是這個報告寫說 |
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11079.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].end |
11081.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].text |
警方初步檢視相關影片 |
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11081.73 |
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11083.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].text |
然後涉及這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].start |
11083.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].end |
11085.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].text |
疑似深度偽造總統的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].start |
11085.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].end |
11087.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].text |
但是如果照剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].start |
11087.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].end |
11089.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].text |
我想在這個其他委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].start |
11089.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].end |
11091.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].text |
的時候事實上當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].start |
11091.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].end |
11093.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].text |
都還沒有鑑定的結果出來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].start |
11093.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].end |
11095.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].text |
同步鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].start |
11095.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].end |
11097.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].text |
那請問一下是什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].start |
11097.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].end |
11099.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].text |
鑑定出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].start |
11099.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].end |
11101.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].text |
那個20 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].start |
11101.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].end |
11103.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].text |
25號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].start |
11103.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].end |
11105.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].text |
何情局長什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].start |
11105.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].end |
11107.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].text |
鑑定出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].start |
11107.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].end |
11109.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].text |
也是當天下午是同步 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].start |
11109.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].end |
11111.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].text |
在處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].start |
11111.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].end |
11113.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].text |
一邊鑑定一邊登門上訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].start |
11113.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].end |
11115.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].text |
各位委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].start |
11115.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].end |
11117.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].text |
我們之前的前置的查訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].start |
11117.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].end |
11119.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].text |
階段就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].start |
11119.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].end |
11121.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].text |
我們去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].start |
11121.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].end |
11123.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].text |
這個帳號是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].start |
11123.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].end |
11125.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].text |
所以你們先上門然後再同步 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].start |
11125.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].end |
11127.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].text |
再鑑定我們沒有任何 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].start |
11127.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].end |
11129.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].text |
的強制作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].start |
11129.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].end |
11131.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].text |
我們也沒有限制他的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].start |
11131.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].end |
11133.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].text |
自由那我們表示說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].start |
11133.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].end |
11135.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].text |
就是還沒有鑑定的結果之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].start |
11135.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].end |
11137.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].text |
你們就先登門去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].start |
11137.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].end |
11139.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].text |
去找委員陳佑是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].start |
11139.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].end |
11141.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].text |
同步嘛所以就是還沒有鑑定結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].start |
11141.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].end |
11143.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].text |
出來那當時你們是依據哪一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].start |
11143.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].end |
11145.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].text |
認為說有犯罪嫌疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].start |
11145.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].end |
11147.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].text |
所以你們要登門去查訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].start |
11147.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].end |
11149.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].text |
跟委員報告這個案件現在已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].start |
11149.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].end |
11151.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].text |
在北檢起訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].start |
11151.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].end |
11153.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].text |
所以我們不太談這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].start |
11153.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].end |
11155.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].text |
好再請教您一下刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].start |
11155.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].end |
11157.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].text |
309條你們在報告裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].start |
11157.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].end |
11159.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].text |
有提到是公然侮辱罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].start |
11159.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].end |
11161.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].text |
310條是毀謗罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].start |
11161.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].end |
11163.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].text |
那請問這個影片的內容是說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].start |
11163.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].end |
11165.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].text |
本填筆的相關知識 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].start |
11165.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].end |
11167.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].text |
請問侮辱了誰、毀謗了誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].start |
11167.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].end |
11169.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].text |
這一樣是相關的內容對不起 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].start |
11169.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].end |
11171.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].text |
容我不要在這邊評論好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].start |
11171.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].end |
11173.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].text |
好那還有再請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].start |
11173.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].end |
11175.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].text |
您一下就是這兩樣都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].start |
11175.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].end |
11177.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].text |
屬於告訴哪一任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].start |
11177.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].end |
11179.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].text |
請問總統有提到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].start |
11180.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].end |
11182.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].text |
這個部分大概如果是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].start |
11182.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].end |
11184.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].text |
210、216 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].start |
11184.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].end |
11186.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].text |
309跟310 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].start |
11186.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].end |
11188.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].text |
這是你們在報告裡寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].start |
11188.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].end |
11190.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].text |
相關法律的認定我們會由 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].start |
11190.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].end |
11192.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].text |
這個檢察官來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].start |
11192.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].end |
11194.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].text |
我只是問你就是說這兩項都屬於告訴哪一任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].start |
11194.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].end |
11196.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].text |
你們在報告裡寫說可能有涉及這兩項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].start |
11196.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].end |
11198.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].text |
請問總統有提到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].start |
11198.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].end |
11200.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].text |
沒有沒有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].start |
11200.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].end |
11202.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].text |
那你為什麼有這兩項呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].start |
11202.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].end |
11204.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].text |
那可能涉及的法條我們都要去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].start |
11204.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].end |
11206.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].text |
那另外還有就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].start |
11206.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].end |
11208.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].text |
身為的技術是直接複製他人的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].start |
11208.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].end |
11210.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].text |
那你們現在鑑定出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].start |
11210.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].end |
11212.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].text |
用身為技術製造出來的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].start |
11212.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].end |
11214.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].text |
跟本人是完全百分之百相同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].start |
11217.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].end |
11219.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].text |
如果在技術上面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].start |
11219.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].end |
11221.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].text |
我們可能要請專業的技術人員來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].start |
11221.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].end |
11223.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].text |
跟委員來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].start |
11223.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].end |
11225.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].text |
所以你也沒有辦法確定是不是百分之百的相同 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].start |
11225.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].end |
11227.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].text |
表示說這個影片就不是使用別人的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].start |
11227.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].end |
11229.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].text |
只是類似的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].start |
11229.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].end |
11231.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].text |
所以說要侵害什麼個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].start |
11231.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].end |
11233.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].text |
所以你今天的各項報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].start |
11233.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].end |
11235.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].text |
都讓大家覺得就是在前置這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].start |
11235.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].end |
11237.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].text |
言論自由希望還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].start |
11237.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].end |
11239.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].text |
尊重司法院的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].start |
11239.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].end |
11241.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].text |
就針對這樣的實施的諷刺評論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].start |
11241.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].end |
11243.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].text |
或創作屬於憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].start |
11243.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].end |
11245.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].text |
保障的言論自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].start |
11251.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].end |
11253.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].text |
好,我們下一位請謝龍介委員發言質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].start |
11266.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].end |
11270.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].text |
主席,我們邀請劉委員主委跟金正恩署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].start |
11277.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].end |
11279.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].text |
謝委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].start |
11280.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].end |
11282.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].text |
收到你們的訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].start |
11284.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].end |
11286.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].text |
再見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].start |
11286.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].end |
11288.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].text |
董事林這個暗影 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].start |
11288.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].end |
11290.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].text |
用聲音做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].start |
11290.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].end |
11292.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].text |
Cruzso AI的音頻 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].start |
11293.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].end |
11295.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].text |
你說你們沒有共作的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].start |
11298.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].end |
11300.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].start |
11300.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].end |
11302.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].text |
讓人心生畏懼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].start |
11304.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].end |
11306.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].text |
這就是很顯美的好影 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].start |
11308.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].end |
11310.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].text |
我不是警察國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].start |
11310.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].end |
11312.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].text |
有的事情不需要,我相信你對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].start |
11312.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].end |
11314.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].text |
羅總統很認識,我也對他很認識 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].start |
11316.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].end |
11320.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].text |
現在不只是說來打電話跟你交代說這個警察出錯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].start |
11321.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].end |
11323.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].text |
我也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].start |
11323.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].end |
11325.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].text |
難看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].start |
11325.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].end |
11327.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].text |
因為他很多暗影要辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].start |
11329.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].end |
11331.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].text |
董事林,你讓人心生畏懼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].start |
11332.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].end |
11334.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].text |
拿捏 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].start |
11334.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].end |
11338.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].text |
辦這陣子的親像,特匪過度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].start |
11338.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].end |
11340.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].text |
辦紮壓棟的親像,無雙打好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].start |
11340.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].end |
11342.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].text |
好,說得好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].start |
11343.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].end |
11345.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].text |
這樣社會觀感不佳 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].start |
11347 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].end |
11349 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].text |
沒有特分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].start |
11348.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].end |
11350.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].start |
11350.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].end |
11352.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].text |
來,留一會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].start |
11352.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].end |
11354.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].text |
喝水 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].start |
11355.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].end |
11357.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].start |
11356.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].end |
11358.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].text |
市長,待會他這裡有一部分你感到有關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].start |
11363.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].end |
11365.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].text |
跪動啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].start |
11366.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].end |
11368.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].text |
這個情,都違規 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].start |
11368.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].end |
11370.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].start |
11371.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].end |
11373.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].text |
不注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].start |
11374.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].end |
11376.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].text |
你退居 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].start |
11376.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].end |
11378.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].text |
最近才會報說他有去台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].start |
11379.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].end |
11381.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].text |
歸屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].start |
11381.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].end |
11383.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].text |
請問你有去欲順嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].start |
11383.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].end |
11385.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].text |
有去欲等嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].start |
11385.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].end |
11387.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].text |
有,你有去欲等嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].start |
11412.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].end |
11414.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].text |
我的意思是說,你這麼多年來關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].start |
11414.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].end |
11416.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].text |
我們,國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].start |
11416.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].end |
11418.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].text |
去台中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].start |
11418.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].end |
11420.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].text |
有去欲欲等嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].start |
11420.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].end |
11422.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].text |
有去欲等嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].start |
11422.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].end |
11424.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].text |
這是你們跪動的各界的重症動機 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].start |
11425.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].end |
11427.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].text |
要去台中喝下去,請他來喝茶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].start |
11427.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].end |
11429.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].start |
11428.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].end |
11430.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].text |
你去欲順嗎?你去欲等嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].start |
11431.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].end |
11433.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].text |
阿強,我給你吃吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].start |
11434.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].end |
11436.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].text |
有去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].start |
11437.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].end |
11447.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].text |
有去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲等嗎?你去欲 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].start |
11447.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].end |
11448.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].text |
等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].start |
11449.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].end |
11451.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].text |
你都沒有跟他聯絡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].start |
11452.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].end |
11454.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].text |
我們會有時候會碰到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].start |
11454.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].end |
11456.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].text |
但是他都沒有跟我講他附錄的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].start |
11456.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].end |
11458.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].text |
我說你看到報導以後嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].start |
11458.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].end |
11461.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].text |
媒體我有問過梁副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].start |
11461.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].end |
11462.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].text |
梁副主委說也沒跟他聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].start |
11462.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].end |
11464.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].text |
這跟梁文傑也沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].start |
11464.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].end |
11464.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].start |
11464.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].end |
11466.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].text |
就是他這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].start |
11466.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].end |
11466.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].text |
你不要說話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].start |
11466.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].end |
11469.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].text |
跟他在中國大陸是不是有鬥到啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].start |
11470.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].end |
11471.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].text |
傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].start |
11471.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].end |
11474.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].text |
我們沒有看到任何這方面的情節 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].start |
11474.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].end |
11475.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].text |
除非他有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].start |
11475.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].end |
11479.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].text |
可是他沒有被中國大陸對他有任何的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].start |
11479.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].end |
11481.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].text |
目前我們沒有看到這個事證 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].start |
11481.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].end |
11482.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].start |
11482.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].end |
11483.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].start |
11483.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].end |
11483.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].text |
蘇貞爾來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].start |
11484.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].end |
11485.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].start |
11485.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].end |
11486.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].text |
主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].start |
11486.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].end |
11486.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].text |
現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].start |
11486.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].end |
11487.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].text |
在我們大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].start |
11488.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].end |
11491.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].text |
民間團結到這樣紅紅的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].start |
11492.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].end |
11493.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].text |
我鬧主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].start |
11501.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].end |
11502.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].text |
是中立啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].start |
11503.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].end |
11506.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].text |
有人說他是平時黃嘴 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].start |
11506.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].end |
11508.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].text |
有人說他是去用通訊料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].start |
11508.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].end |
11509.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].text |
就要給他修法起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].start |
11510.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].end |
11511.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].text |
有人說他就沒面子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].start |
11511.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].end |
11513.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].text |
去大陸就失蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].start |
11514.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].end |
11516.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].text |
我想你有沒有講到這方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].start |
11516.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].end |
11517.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].start |
11519.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].end |
11519.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].text |
台南市啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].start |
11519.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].end |
11520.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].text |
我們台南市 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].start |
11520.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].end |
11521.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].text |
傳聞很多就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].start |
11522.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].end |
11525.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].text |
有人說他是去用管理清準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].start |
11525.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].end |
11527.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].text |
那個路虎的路虎的那個感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].start |
11528.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].end |
11528.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].start |
11529.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].end |
11531.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].text |
有人說是去台中路虎的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].start |
11531.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].end |
11532.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].text |
就要失蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].start |
11533.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].end |
11533.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].start |
11533.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].end |
11534.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].text |
有人說他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].start |
11534.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].end |
11536.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].text |
卡在香水案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].start |
11537.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].end |
11538.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].text |
到底這是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].start |
11538.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].end |
11540.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].text |
你有了解嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].start |
11540.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].end |
11541.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].text |
有證明嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].start |
11541.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].end |
11542.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].text |
沒有那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].start |
11542.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].end |
11544.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].text |
我想你說的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].start |
11545.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].end |
11546.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].text |
我可能沒清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].start |
11546.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].end |
11548.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].text |
因為你如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].start |
11548.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].end |
11549.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].text |
如果經過的討好來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].start |
11549.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].end |
11550.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].text |
給黃警報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].start |
11550.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].end |
11552.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].text |
這樣你不理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].start |
11552.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].end |
11552.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].start |
11552.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].end |
11553.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].text |
我來報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].start |
11553.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].end |
11556.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].text |
你不理解的部分是因為那個區域你作什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].start |
11556.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].end |
11557.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].text |
所以我是怕你有聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].start |
11557.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].end |
11559.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].text |
你現在說這個團沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].start |
11559.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].end |
11560.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].text |
有人說什麼天馬行空 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].start |
11560.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].end |
11562.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].text |
來來來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].start |
11562.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].end |
11563.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].text |
這不是天馬行空 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].start |
11564.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].end |
11565.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].text |
網路傳告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].start |
11565.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].end |
11566.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].text |
來處理欲 extra |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].start |
11567.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].end |
11569.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].text |
啊 委員你說的暗行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].start |
11569.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].end |
11572.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].text |
如果你有暗行 你可以交我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].start |
11572.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].end |
11573.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].text |
我可以交你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].start |
11574.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].end |
11576.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].text |
欸 我們同仁有沒有接到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].start |
11576.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].end |
11577.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].text |
我有問候你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].start |
11577.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].end |
11579.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].text |
有齁 那我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].start |
11583.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].end |
11585.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].text |
中央的閣級幹部呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].start |
11585.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].end |
11587.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].text |
他的親生呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].start |
11592.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].end |
11593.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].text |
哈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].start |
11594.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].end |
11597.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].text |
我們會選擇兩岸共打機制向對岸問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].start |
11597.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].end |
11599.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].text |
同時喔 問委員可以的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].start |
11599.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].end |
11601.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].text |
不是啦 是議員是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].start |
11601.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].end |
11603.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].text |
他們是想被迫害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].start |
11603.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].end |
11605.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].text |
我們來賺人家國金嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].start |
11605.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].end |
11607.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].text |
也不分黨派 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].start |
11607.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].end |
11609.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].text |
不不不 不分黨派 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].start |
11609.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].end |
11611.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].text |
如果他是上議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].start |
11612.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].end |
11614.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].text |
有興趣暗行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].start |
11614.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].end |
11616.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].text |
喔 這樣我們就是興趣金班 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].start |
11616.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].end |
11619.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].text |
喔 針對中央共打機的環節 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].start |
11619.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].end |
11621.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].text |
去理解嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].start |
11621.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].end |
11623.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].text |
也要求對方跟我們通報嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].start |
11623.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].end |
11625.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].start |
11625.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].end |
11627.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].text |
現在就穿得整個都不知道啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].start |
11627.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].end |
11629.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].text |
團仔不想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].start |
11629.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].end |
11631.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].text |
我如果六月份 民進黨會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].start |
11633.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].end |
11635.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].text |
出事情都調工 晚上起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].start |
11635.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].end |
11638.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].text |
喔 啊其他人去就把你叩大山團 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].start |
11638.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].end |
11640.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].text |
當然不是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].start |
11640.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].end |
11642.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].text |
委員你這個暗行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].start |
11642.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].end |
11644.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].text |
你跟當事人有熟識 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].start |
11644.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].end |
11646.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].text |
是不是我們同仁可以去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].start |
11646.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].end |
11648.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].text |
家庭關懷訪視 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].start |
11648.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].end |
11649.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].text |
掌握更多的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].start |
11649.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].end |
11651.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].text |
可以來進一步的幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].start |
11651.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].end |
11653.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].text |
你比我更賣力 你現在把我講進去家庭訪視 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].start |
11654.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].end |
11656.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].text |
民主黨的國籍幹部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].start |
11656.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].end |
11658.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].text |
你聽到沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].start |
11659.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].end |
11661.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].text |
我們是昨天下午才接到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].start |
11662.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].end |
11664.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].text |
我們會積極來協助這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].start |
11664.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].end |
11666.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].text |
好啦 你要理清一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].start |
11666.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].end |
11668.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].text |
市府暗行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].start |
11668.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].end |
11670.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].text |
而且是全國人在台中失蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].start |
11670.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].end |
11672.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].text |
失蹤我沒看到你們的通報會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].start |
11673.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].end |
11675.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].start |
11675.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].end |
11677.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].text |
應該 如果是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].start |
11677.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].end |
11679.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].text |
昨天通報 我們這個禮拜四 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].start |
11679.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].end |
11681.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].text |
就會把列入一個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].start |
11681.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].end |
11683.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].text |
那重點倒不是案子的增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].start |
11683.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].end |
11685.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].text |
而是我們要實質的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].start |
11685.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].end |
11687.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].text |
幫助家屬來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].start |
11687.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].end |
11689.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].text |
幫他打探這個家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].start |
11689.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].end |
11691.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].text |
你們來台的來幫我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].start |
11691.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].end |
11693.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].text |
當初是說家屬希望低調 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].start |
11693.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].end |
11695.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].text |
你比較有可能都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].start |
11695.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].end |
11697.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].text |
我是今天調工來問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].start |
11697.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].end |
11699.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].text |
為什麼出事情家屬要低調 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].start |
11700.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].end |
11702.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].text |
有幾個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].start |
11702.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].end |
11704.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].text |
對岸有可能他們的公安會通知家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].start |
11704.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].end |
11706.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].text |
不要跟你們的政府聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].start |
11706.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].end |
11708.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].text |
如果你們跟你的政府聯繫的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].start |
11708.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].end |
11710.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].text |
可能會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].start |
11710.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].end |
11712.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].text |
讓你們的案子更難解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].start |
11712.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].end |
11714.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].text |
會這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].start |
11714.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].end |
11716.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].text |
有人這樣跟我講我是一定會被罵的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].start |
11716.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].end |
11718.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].text |
是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].start |
11718.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].end |
11720.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].text |
所以我們也是一直跟對岸說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].start |
11720.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].end |
11722.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].text |
你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].start |
11722.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].end |
11724.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].text |
傳遍了很多非官方的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].start |
11724.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].end |
11726.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].text |
到處流竄 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].start |
11727.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].end |
11729.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].text |
家屬也分不清這是詐騙的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].start |
11729.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].end |
11731.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].text |
沒有啦我現在很嚴肅跟你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].start |
11731.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].end |
11733.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].text |
兩方交流這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].start |
11733.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].end |
11735.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].text |
大家請免來看台 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].start |
11735.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].end |
11737.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].start |
11737.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].end |
11739.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].text |
用非法的手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].start |
11739.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].end |
11741.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].text |
欲縮到我們台灣人的人身自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].start |
11741.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].end |
11743.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].start |
11743.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].end |
11745.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].text |
沒分洞派大家都要嚴重控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].start |
11745.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].end |
11747.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].start |
11747.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].end |
11749.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].text |
但是我們的人去那裡很敢反抗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].start |
11749.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].end |
11751.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].text |
我看有的沒的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].start |
11751.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].end |
11753.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].text |
要很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].start |
11753.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].end |
11755.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].text |
你不能讓你孫子變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].start |
11755.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].end |
11757.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].text |
就不必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].start |
11757.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].end |
11759.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].text |
不必要去做這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].start |
11759.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].end |
11761.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].text |
窮豐 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].start |
11761.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].end |
11763.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].text |
是不是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].start |
11763.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].end |
11765.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].text |
台大就要這樣面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].start |
11765.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].end |
11767.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].text |
要清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].start |
11767.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].end |
11769.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].text |
這樣好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].start |
11769.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].end |
11771.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].start |
11770.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].end |
11774.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].text |
安心我希望你盡速把本席答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].start |
11774.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].end |
11776.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].start |
11776.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].end |
11778.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].text |
感謝你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].start |
11788.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].end |
11790.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].text |
好在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].start |
11790.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].end |
11792.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].text |
先提醒一下我們與會官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].start |
11792.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].end |
11794.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].text |
在詢答的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].start |
11794.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].end |
11796.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].text |
希望不要以偵查不公開為理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].start |
11796.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].end |
11798.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].text |
迴避委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].start |
11798.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].end |
11800.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].text |
當然偵查不公開是一致的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].start |
11800.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].end |
11802.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].text |
那大家有自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].start |
11802.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].end |
11804.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].text |
但是偵查不公開應該是一致性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].start |
11804.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].end |
11806.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].text |
而不是在不同的案件有不同的一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].start |
11806.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].end |
11808.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].text |
就如同剛剛十百名夫案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].start |
11808.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].end |
11810.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].text |
我們的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].start |
11810.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].end |
11812.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].text |
在詢答台上面坎坎而談 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].start |
11812.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].end |
11814.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].text |
透露了許多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].start |
11814.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].end |
11816.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].text |
案件的細節 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].start |
11816.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].end |
11818.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].text |
但對於今天主題的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].start |
11818.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].end |
11820.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].text |
卻只用偵查不公開來回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].start |
11820.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].end |
11822.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].text |
我想這個是對委員會的不尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].start |
11822.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].end |
11824.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].text |
標準一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].start |
11824.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].end |
11826.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].text |
希望我們的與會官員能夠尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].start |
11826.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].end |
11828.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].text |
下一位我們請蘇清全委員發言質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].start |
11828.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].end |
11830.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].text |
蘇清全蘇清全蘇清全不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].start |
11830.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].end |
11832.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].text |
下一位請林茜琪委員發言質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].start |
11832.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].end |
11834.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].text |
林茜琪林茜琪林茜琪不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].start |
11834.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].end |
11836.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].text |
下一位請陳培淤委員發言質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].start |
11836.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].end |
11838.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].text |
陳培淤陳培淤陳培淤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].start |
11839.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].end |
11841.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].text |
委員不在下一位請葉元之委員發言質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].start |
11851.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].end |
11853.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].text |
主席好,我們安景路也會租耶,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].start |
11858.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].end |
11860.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].text |
葉委員好,主席好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].start |
11860.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].end |
11862.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].text |
我想請教一下,因為最近 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].start |
11862.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].end |
11864.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].text |
路也會常常出國 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].start |
11864.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].end |
11866.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].text |
都要去宣傳一下兩岸政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].start |
11866.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].end |
11868.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].text |
你也常常出國 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].start |
11868.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].end |
11870.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].text |
你可以講一下頻率多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].start |
11870.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].end |
11872.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].text |
我們來看一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].start |
11872.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].end |
11874.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].text |
最近有引起爭議的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].start |
11874.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].end |
11876.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].text |
這是赴越南出國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].start |
11876.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].end |
11878.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].text |
這是訪問越南計說明兩岸政策報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].start |
11878.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].end |
11880.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].text |
像類似訪問其他國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].start |
11880.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].end |
11882.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].text |
去說明兩岸政策這一種活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].start |
11882.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].end |
11884.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].text |
今年總共要辦幾場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].start |
11886.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].end |
11888.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].text |
跟委員報告,因為我們全年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].start |
11888.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].end |
11890.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].text |
出國的費用不到800萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].start |
11890.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].end |
11892.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].text |
總共辦幾場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].start |
11892.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].end |
11894.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].text |
幾場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].start |
11894.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].end |
11896.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].text |
目前已經出訪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].start |
11896.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].end |
11898.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].text |
除了越南 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].start |
11898.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].end |
11900.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].text |
還有一場是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].start |
11900.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].end |
11902.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].text |
有到日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].start |
11902.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].end |
11904.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].text |
所以目前兩場,那接下來還要去哪 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].start |
11905.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].end |
11907.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].text |
我們如果說有經費的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].start |
11907.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].end |
11909.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].text |
因為很多國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].start |
11909.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].end |
11911.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].text |
來邀請路委會去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].start |
11911.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].end |
11913.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].text |
合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].start |
11913.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].end |
11915.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].text |
包括像我們同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].start |
11915.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].end |
11917.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].text |
我們今天時間有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].start |
11917.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].end |
11919.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].text |
通常是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].start |
11919.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].end |
11921.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].text |
如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].start |
11921.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].end |
11923.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].text |
官員開始扯東扯西的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].start |
11923.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].end |
11925.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].text |
感覺就必有貓膩 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].start |
11925.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].end |
11927.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].text |
我問的問題沒有很簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].start |
11927.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].end |
11929.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].text |
接下來還打算去幾場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].start |
11929.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].end |
11931.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].text |
我都還沒有開始問我接下來的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].start |
11931.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].end |
11933.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].text |
你就開始扯別的,接下來還要去幾場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].start |
11933.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].end |
11935.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].text |
跟委員報告,接下來我們可能會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].start |
11935.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].end |
11937.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].text |
歐洲 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].start |
11937.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].end |
11939.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].text |
德國 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].start |
11939.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].end |
11941.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].text |
宣傳兩岸政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].start |
11941.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].end |
11943.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].text |
沒有,去跟各國 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].start |
11943.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].end |
11945.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].text |
一起合作,有關跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].start |
11945.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].end |
11947.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].text |
我現在講的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].start |
11947.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].end |
11949.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].text |
要去訪問其他國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].start |
11949.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].end |
11951.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].text |
去說明兩岸政策的活動還有幾場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].start |
11953.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].end |
11955.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].text |
目前比較兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].start |
11955.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].end |
11957.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].text |
德國跟美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].start |
11957.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].end |
11959.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].text |
那去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].start |
11959.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].end |
11961.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].text |
我是不反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].start |
11961.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].end |
11963.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].text |
但是我真的希望去有一定的效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].start |
11963.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].end |
11965.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].text |
然後我也希望去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].start |
11965.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].end |
11967.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].text |
你回來這個出國報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].start |
11967.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].end |
11969.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].text |
我覺得要好好寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].start |
11969.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].end |
11971.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].text |
因為這個報告都上網公開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].start |
11971.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].end |
11973.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].text |
那同時間大家認為報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].start |
11973.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].end |
11975.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].text |
其實除了路委會之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].start |
11975.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].end |
11977.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].text |
大家對僑委會的報告也覺得寫得很爛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].start |
11977.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].end |
11979.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].text |
那我有看到僑委會主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].start |
11979.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].end |
11981.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].text |
徐家清,當然跟你無關,是你的同僚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].start |
11981.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].end |
11983.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].text |
他回應是說,有機密 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].start |
11983.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].end |
11985.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].text |
不然是要給中共看嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].start |
11985.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].end |
11987.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].text |
這種回答實在是令人覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].start |
11987.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].end |
11989.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].text |
很可笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].start |
11989.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].end |
11991.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].text |
那就算不是要給中共看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].start |
11991.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].end |
11993.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].text |
你也不要給其他國家笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].start |
11993.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].end |
11995.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].text |
你也稍微寫得有點水準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].start |
11995.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].end |
11997.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].text |
你就算有一個不能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].start |
11997.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].end |
11999.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].text |
公開的非機密版 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].start |
11999.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].end |
12001.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].text |
但是也要寫得有水準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].start |
12001.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].end |
12003.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].text |
有水準跟看是兩回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].start |
12003.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].end |
12005.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].text |
所以我不太能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].start |
12005.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].end |
12007.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].text |
這個徐家清的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].start |
12007.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].end |
12009.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].text |
因為今天不是質詢他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].start |
12009.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].end |
12011.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].text |
我希望路委會以後有類似的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].start |
12011.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].end |
12013.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].text |
你有機密不用公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].start |
12013.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].end |
12015.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].text |
但你公開的東西就是要有水準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].start |
12015.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].end |
12017.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].text |
因為這個代表國家的文書 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].start |
12017.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].end |
12019.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].text |
那我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].start |
12019.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].end |
12021.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].text |
就針對這一份訪問越南的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].start |
12022.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].end |
12024.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].text |
我自己覺得有幾件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].start |
12024.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].end |
12026.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].text |
我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].start |
12026.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].end |
12028.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].text |
還蠻怪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].start |
12029.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].end |
12031.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].text |
這個在第二頁的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].start |
12031.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].end |
12033.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].text |
我是沒秀出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].start |
12033.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].end |
12035.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].text |
裡面有提到副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].start |
12035.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].end |
12037.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].text |
沈友中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].start |
12035.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].end |
12037.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].text |
他訪問了很多越南的智庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].start |
12038.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].end |
12041.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].text |
然後他在跟這個智庫溝通的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].start |
12041.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].end |
12044.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].text |
當然有說明政府致力於維持現狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].start |
12044.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].end |
12046.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].text |
但是他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].start |
12046.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].end |
12048.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].text |
他跟越南的智庫呼籲北京當局 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].start |
12048.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].end |
12050.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].text |
要跟我民選政府對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].start |
12051.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].end |
12053.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].text |
我是不太懂啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].start |
12052.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].end |
12054.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].text |
路委會跑去越南 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].start |
12054.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].end |
12056.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].text |
然後跟越南的智庫去呼籲北京跟我們對話幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].start |
12057.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].end |
12059.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].text |
越南裡面是有北京的官方代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].start |
12062.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].end |
12064.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].text |
你要呼籲你跑到越南去跟越南智庫呼籲幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].start |
12066.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].end |
12068.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].text |
這種東西寫出來就是讓人家覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].start |
12068.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].end |
12070.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].text |
你是到底有去沒去你到底是去幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].start |
12070.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].end |
12072.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].text |
你去呼籲北京 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].start |
12072.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].end |
12074.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].text |
你去越南智庫呼籲北京跟我們對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].start |
12077.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].end |
12079.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].text |
主委你要不要去問一下副主委到底去幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].start |
12079.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].end |
12081.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].text |
我清楚喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].start |
12081.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].end |
12083.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].text |
委員這樣好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].start |
12083.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].end |
12085.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].text |
我們那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].start |
12085.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].end |
12087.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].text |
我們的參訪很多的細部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].start |
12087.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].end |
12089.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].text |
也不方便完全揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].start |
12089.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].end |
12091.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].text |
我剛剛有講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].start |
12091.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].end |
12093.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].text |
不方便揭露不要揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].start |
12093.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].end |
12095.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].text |
但你揭露不能有水準嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].start |
12095.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].end |
12097.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].text |
你讓其他國家看到我們的路委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].start |
12097.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].end |
12099.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].text |
跑到越南去跟越南智庫呼籲北京 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].start |
12099.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].end |
12101.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].text |
跟我們對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].start |
12101.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].end |
12103.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].text |
這就沒水準嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].start |
12103.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].end |
12105.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].text |
以後未來這個摘要版 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].start |
12105.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].end |
12107.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].text |
我們一定配合委員說要有水準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].start |
12107.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].end |
12109.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].start |
12109.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].end |
12111.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].start |
12111.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].end |
12113.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].text |
第二個這是心得與建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].start |
12113.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].end |
12115.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].text |
這個心得與建議有寫跟沒寫一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].start |
12115.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].end |
12117.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].text |
第一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].start |
12117.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].end |
12119.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].text |
越南追求獨立自主外交 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].start |
12119.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].end |
12121.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].text |
應爭取越方深化與台合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].start |
12121.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].end |
12123.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].text |
不然呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].start |
12124.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].end |
12126.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].text |
不然我們不要跟他爭取合作喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].start |
12127.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].end |
12129.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].text |
難道你的心得回來會講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].start |
12129.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].end |
12131.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].text |
越南不怎麼樣我們不要跟他合作嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].start |
12132.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].end |
12136.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].text |
這個心得是有去跟沒去都可以得到的心得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].start |
12136.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].end |
12138.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].text |
那大家當然就會質疑說你去沒有意義嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].start |
12138.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].end |
12140.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].text |
第二個更好笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].start |
12140.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].end |
12142.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].text |
這個就跟主委好好請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].start |
12142.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].end |
12144.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].text |
現在我們的兩岸政策到底是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].start |
12144.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].end |
12146.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].text |
第二點叫做建議加強台越中智庫交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].start |
12146.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].end |
12148.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].text |
那我不懂啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].start |
12148.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].end |
12150.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].text |
民進黨不是很多人都在講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].start |
12150.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].end |
12152.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].text |
兩岸任何交流都統戰嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].start |
12152.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].end |
12154.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].text |
那為什麼在路委會的報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].start |
12154.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].end |
12156.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].text |
會講說要建議台越中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].start |
12157.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].end |
12159.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].text |
三方交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].start |
12159.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].end |
12161.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].text |
那到底是要交流還是不要交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].start |
12161.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].end |
12163.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].text |
公委員報告事實上我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].start |
12163.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].end |
12165.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].text |
對等尊嚴相互尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].start |
12165.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].end |
12167.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].text |
包括對岸的這些學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].start |
12167.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].end |
12169.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].text |
智庫我們都願意跟他交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].start |
12171.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].end |
12173.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].text |
我們始終都沒有停掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].start |
12173.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].end |
12175.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].text |
那這裡只是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].start |
12175.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].end |
12177.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].text |
對越南也非常關注兩岸關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].start |
12177.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].end |
12179.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].text |
還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].start |
12179.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].end |
12181.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].text |
南海的一些動態的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].start |
12181.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].end |
12183.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].text |
特別是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].start |
12183.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].end |
12185.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].text |
中國大陸積極的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].start |
12185.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].end |
12187.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].text |
對南海地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].start |
12187.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].end |
12189.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].text |
的各種的擴張 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].start |
12189.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].end |
12191.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].text |
巡航 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].start |
12191.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].end |
12193.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].text |
這也造成周遭國家的一些風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].start |
12193.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].end |
12195.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].text |
所以他們也 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].start |
12195.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].end |
12197.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].text |
我們都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].start |
12197.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].end |
12199.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].text |
台灣的經濟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].start |
12199.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].end |
12201.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].text |
台越中制會交 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].start |
12201.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].end |
12203.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].text |
那你要怎麼促成這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].start |
12203.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].end |
12205.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].text |
然後你是跟誰建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].start |
12205.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].end |
12207.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].text |
你路委會參訪完 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].start |
12207.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].end |
12209.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].text |
有了這個心得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].start |
12209.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].end |
12211.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].text |
你不是路人你也不是一般人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].start |
12211.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].end |
12213.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].text |
你是政府官方代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].start |
12213.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].end |
12215.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].text |
所以你要去建議誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].start |
12212.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].end |
12214.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].text |
去加強台越中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].start |
12214.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].end |
12216.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].text |
然後你要建議跟哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].start |
12216.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].end |
12218.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].text |
中國大陸的智庫交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].start |
12218.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].end |
12220.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].text |
因為你是官方耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].start |
12220.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].end |
12222.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].text |
你是建議誰嘛你是建議賴清德總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].start |
12222.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].end |
12224.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].text |
還是卓文泰院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].start |
12224.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].end |
12226.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].text |
跟委員報告我們那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].start |
12226.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].end |
12228.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].text |
智庫交流還有很多的學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].start |
12228.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].end |
12230.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].text |
對你是建議誰嘛你現在回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].start |
12230.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].end |
12232.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].text |
他有這個心得這個富足的有這個心得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].start |
12232.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].end |
12234.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].text |
覺得要跟台越中智庫交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].start |
12234.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].end |
12236.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].text |
那他是建議誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].start |
12236.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].end |
12238.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].text |
他是建議賴清德總統嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].start |
12238.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].end |
12240.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].start |
12239.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].end |
12241.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].text |
這個我們省副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].start |
12241.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].end |
12243.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].text |
是帶著一群學者去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].start |
12243.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].end |
12245.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].text |
不是他一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].start |
12244.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].end |
12246.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].text |
這個報告是路委會寫的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].start |
12246.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].end |
12248.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].text |
所以說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].start |
12248.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].end |
12250.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].text |
大家都維持體檢能力都沒有那麼差啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].start |
12250.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].end |
12252.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].text |
他去參訪回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].start |
12252.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].end |
12254.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].text |
得到一個心得說要建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].start |
12254.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].end |
12256.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].text |
要跟中國大陸的智庫跟越南三方多交流嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].start |
12256.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].end |
12258.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].text |
那他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].start |
12258.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].end |
12260.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].text |
你路委會你一定往上建議嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].start |
12260.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].end |
12262.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].text |
那你建議卓東泰嘛還是建議賴總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].start |
12262.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].end |
12264.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].text |
我們都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].start |
12264.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].end |
12266.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].text |
那你建議我們建議在台灣的智庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].start |
12266.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].end |
12268.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].text |
建議他們跟越南多交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].start |
12268.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].end |
12270.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].text |
那你是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].start |
12270.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].end |
12272.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].text |
跟中國大陸哪個智庫交流比較不會有統戰的危機 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].start |
12272.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].end |
12274.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].start |
12274.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].end |
12276.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].text |
只要是對等尊嚴相互尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].start |
12276.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].end |
12278.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].text |
兩邊帶有理性的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].start |
12278.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].end |
12280.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].text |
應該坐下來好好聊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].start |
12280.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].end |
12282.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].text |
是哪些嘛不要講空話嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].start |
12282.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].end |
12284.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].text |
我想我們過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].start |
12284.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].end |
12286.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].text |
跟中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].start |
12286.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].end |
12288.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].text |
這我了解了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].start |
12288.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].end |
12290.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].text |
就代表說這個有去沒去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].start |
12290.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].end |
12292.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].text |
真的一樣啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].start |
12292.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].end |
12294.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].text |
你一定都講不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].start |
12294.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].end |
12296.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].start |
12296.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].end |
12298.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].text |
你要給我時間講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].start |
12298.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].end |
12300.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].text |
你已經講很久了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].start |
12300.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].end |
12302.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].text |
我請那個沈副主委去跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].start |
12302.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].end |
12304.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].text |
我都已經知道你要講什麼了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].start |
12304.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].end |
12306.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].text |
我們是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].start |
12306.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].end |
12308.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].text |
你一定這樣講啦因為我聽很多啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].start |
12308.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].end |
12310.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].text |
你一定是建議說我們當然建議兩岸多交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].start |
12310.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].end |
12312.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].text |
但是要在對等尊嚴的情況下交流啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].start |
12312.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].end |
12314.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].text |
然後咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].start |
12314.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].end |
12316.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].text |
但是我們還是建議交流可是現在對等尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].start |
12316.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].end |
12318.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].text |
但是現在就不對等尊嚴所以就沒辦法交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].start |
12318.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].end |
12320.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].text |
就這意思繞圈圈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].start |
12320.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].end |
12322.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].text |
我現在質疑的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].start |
12322.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].end |
12324.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].text |
如果你去交流回來你去參訪回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].start |
12324.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].end |
12326.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].text |
得到這個繞圈圈的建議跟心得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].start |
12326.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].end |
12328.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].text |
那你去到底幹嘛嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].start |
12328.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].end |
12330.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].text |
我們就跟交流人來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].start |
12330.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].end |
12332.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].text |
我們的學術單位也在跟中國大陸做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].start |
12332.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].end |
12334.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].text |
我們都有掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].start |
12334.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].end |
12336.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].text |
那這個兩個建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].start |
12336.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].end |
12338.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].start |
12337.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].end |
12339.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].text |
要去要有效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].start |
12339.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].end |
12341.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].text |
第二個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].start |
12341.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].end |
12343.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].text |
上網的不要被人家看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].start |
12343.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].end |
12345.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].text |
很怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].start |
12345.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].end |
12347.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].text |
然後再來就是希望有一個完整版的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].start |
12347.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].end |
12349.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].text |
你不要公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].start |
12349.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].end |
12351.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].text |
因為你有出去要有一個完整版嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].start |
12351.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].end |
12353.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].text |
那如果有些委員他對於完整版 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].start |
12353.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].end |
12355.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].text |
這個想要監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].start |
12355.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].end |
12357.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].text |
那希望可以提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].start |
12357.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].end |
12359.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].text |
那還有一個就是說當然你如果說機密 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].start |
12359.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].end |
12361.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].text |
那你可以開機密會議可是不能夠像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].start |
12361.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].end |
12363.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].text |
徐家清那樣子就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].start |
12363.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].end |
12365.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].text |
我寫了Line怎麼樣因為我不想被中共看啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].start |
12365.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].end |
12367.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].text |
我不能接受政府機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].start |
12367.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].end |
12369.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].text |
官員用這種方式來掩蓋 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].start |
12369.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].end |
12371.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].text |
就越南的參訪案啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].start |
12371.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].end |
12373.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].text |
雖然公布只有三頁事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].start |
12373.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].end |
12375.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].text |
真正的報告有三十幾頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].start |
12375.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].end |
12377.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].text |
有一萬三千多字非常的豐富 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].start |
12377.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].end |
12379.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].text |
那我也看如果有機會的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].start |
12379.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].end |
12381.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].text |
我請陳柏惟啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].start |
12381.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].end |
12383.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].text |
那你不要設計機密 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].start |
12383.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].end |
12385.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].text |
我想如果說那麼豐富的話上網的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].start |
12385.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].end |
12387.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].text |
應該有一些沒有機密的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].start |
12387.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].end |
12389.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].text |
應該也蠻豐富的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].start |
12389.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].end |
12391.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].text |
這個好像有點太應付 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].start |
12391.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].end |
12393.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].text |
那剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].start |
12393.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].end |
12395.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].text |
主席可不可以再給我一點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].start |
12395.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].end |
12397.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].text |
因為剛剛主委講到一個話題我也蠻有興趣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].start |
12397.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].end |
12399.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].text |
石板明夫嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].start |
12399.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].end |
12401.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].text |
是其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].start |
12401.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].end |
12403.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].text |
剛剛你不是講石板明夫你講的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].start |
12403.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].end |
12405.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].text |
跨境鎮壓被你講了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].start |
12405.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].end |
12407.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].text |
我有講過跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].start |
12407.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].end |
12409.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].text |
我想跟你請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].start |
12409.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].end |
12411.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].text |
石板明夫這個事情如果是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].start |
12411.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].end |
12413.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].text |
跨境鎮壓我們全部都譴責 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].start |
12413.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].end |
12415.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].text |
如果是跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].start |
12415.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].end |
12417.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].text |
但是現在到底是根據什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].start |
12417.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].end |
12419.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].text |
認為一定是跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].start |
12419.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].end |
12421.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].text |
跨境鎮壓就是說習近平派人來的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].start |
12421.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].end |
12423.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].text |
那我有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].start |
12423.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].end |
12425.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].text |
這個新聞有個報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].start |
12425.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].end |
12427.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].text |
本來石板明夫要去的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].start |
12427.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].end |
12429.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].text |
演講會啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].start |
12429.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].end |
12431.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].text |
蕭美琴副總統本來也要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].start |
12431.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].end |
12433.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].text |
然後後來蕭美琴副總統後來沒去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].start |
12433.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].end |
12435.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].text |
這是新聞報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].start |
12435.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].end |
12437.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].text |
我有看到總統府也沒有出來否認 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].start |
12437.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].end |
12439.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].text |
應該是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].start |
12439.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].end |
12441.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].text |
然後這個民進黨立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].start |
12441.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].end |
12443.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].text |
我就不要說哪一位了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].start |
12443.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].end |
12445.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].text |
還有一些綠營的名嘴就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].start |
12445.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].end |
12447.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].text |
那就對了啦為什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].start |
12447.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].end |
12449.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].text |
因為本來啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].start |
12449.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].end |
12451.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].text |
這個對岸是派六個人來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].start |
12451.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].end |
12453.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].text |
然後來了之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].start |
12453.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].end |
12455.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].text |
後來離開了四個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].start |
12455.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].end |
12457.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].text |
最後還留下一個打人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].start |
12457.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].end |
12459.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].text |
叫廖港發加上一個把風的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].start |
12459.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].end |
12461.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].text |
只留兩個這就說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].start |
12463.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].end |
12465.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].text |
原來那六個可能是衝著蕭美琴副總統來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].start |
12465.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].end |
12467.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].text |
所以六個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].start |
12467.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].end |
12469.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].text |
後來得知副總統不來之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].start |
12469.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].end |
12471.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].text |
就離開了四個只留下一個打石板明夫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].start |
12472.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].end |
12474.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].text |
所以這一定是跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].start |
12474.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].end |
12476.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].text |
但我就覺得這很不合理啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].start |
12476.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].end |
12478.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].text |
這個也請主委判斷一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].start |
12478.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].end |
12480.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].text |
所以我們副總統維安這麼差喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].start |
12481.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].end |
12483.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].text |
只要六個人就可以打得到我們副總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].start |
12483.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].end |
12485.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].text |
那這六個是人都武林高手喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].start |
12486.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].end |
12488.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].text |
是詹無忌加上白眉英王 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].start |
12488.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].end |
12490.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].text |
紫山龍王加上楊過跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].start |
12490.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].end |
12492.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].text |
郭靖是不是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].start |
12492.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].end |
12494.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].text |
還是最強老爸還是那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].start |
12494.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].end |
12496.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].text |
還是洛基 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].start |
12497.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].end |
12499.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].text |
就是說這個情節讓我看到都覺得很荒謬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].start |
12501.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].end |
12503.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].text |
我覺得跨境鎮壓我先說態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].start |
12503.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].end |
12505.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].text |
如果跨境鎮壓全台灣都不能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].start |
12505.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].end |
12507.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].text |
我相信廖千祥也不能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].start |
12508.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].end |
12510.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].text |
大家不能接受可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].start |
12510.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].end |
12512.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].text |
事實是什麼我覺得大家要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].start |
12512.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].end |
12514.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].text |
把它說明清楚不是用推論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].start |
12514.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].end |
12516.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].text |
來的六個就是要對我們副總統怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].start |
12517.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].end |
12519.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].text |
這六個是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].start |
12519.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].end |
12521.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].text |
都是盛懷絕技武林高手喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].start |
12521.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].end |
12523.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].text |
還是我們副總統維安那麼差 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].start |
12523.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].end |
12525.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].text |
不管是從哪一個點來看都有問題嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].start |
12525.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].end |
12527.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].text |
所以你認為現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].start |
12527.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].end |
12529.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].text |
哪一些很明確的證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].start |
12529.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].end |
12531.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].text |
是說明的就石板明夫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].start |
12531.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].end |
12533.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].text |
真的是習近平派來打的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].start |
12534.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].end |
12536.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].text |
各位報告我們有一些港人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].start |
12536.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].end |
12538.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].text |
也曾經遭受跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].start |
12538.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].end |
12540.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].text |
像湯偉雄兩次被迫擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].start |
12540.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].end |
12542.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].text |
我們都有去聊一題案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].start |
12542.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].end |
12544.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].text |
那跟這個石板明夫先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].start |
12544.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].end |
12546.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].text |
這個案子有非常接近 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].start |
12546.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].end |
12548.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].text |
就是打完他就跑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].start |
12549.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].end |
12551.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].text |
況且打完就跑就一定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].start |
12551.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].end |
12553.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].text |
習近平派來的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].start |
12553.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].end |
12555.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].text |
另外一方面我們可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].start |
12555.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].end |
12557.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].text |
他已經有集團化事先部署 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].start |
12557.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].end |
12559.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].text |
而且目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].start |
12559.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].end |
12561.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].text |
地檢署也在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].start |
12561.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].end |
12563.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].text |
掌握他的資訊他還跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].start |
12563.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].end |
12565.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].text |
這個回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].start |
12565.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].end |
12567.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].text |
說任務完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].start |
12567.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].end |
12569.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].text |
你說他跟習近平回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].start |
12569.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].end |
12571.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].text |
然後我們有去關切石板明夫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].start |
12571.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].end |
12573.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].text |
我親自有去訪問石板明夫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].start |
12573.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].end |
12575.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].text |
那只要是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].start |
12575.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].end |
12577.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].text |
跨境鎮壓我們都會去關切 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].start |
12577.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].end |
12579.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].text |
那石板明夫告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].start |
12580.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].end |
12582.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].text |
這個歹徒遇到他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].start |
12582.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].end |
12584.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].text |
你是不是石板明夫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].start |
12584.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].end |
12586.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].text |
顯然他也不認識石板明夫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].start |
12586.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].end |
12588.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].text |
然後是石板先生嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].start |
12588.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].end |
12590.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].text |
然後就動手了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].start |
12590.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].end |
12592.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].text |
他無冤無仇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].start |
12592.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].end |
12594.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].text |
沒有無冤冤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].start |
12594.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].end |
12596.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].text |
那為什麼會這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].start |
12596.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].end |
12598.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].text |
所以這些機制看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].start |
12598.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].end |
12600.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].text |
他應該很像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].start |
12600.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].end |
12602.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].text |
習近平派打他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].start |
12602.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].end |
12604.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].text |
跟湯偉雄的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].start |
12604.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].end |
12606.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].text |
有點接近 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].start |
12606.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].end |
12608.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].text |
那麼當然我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].start |
12608.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].end |
12610.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].text |
這個事情進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].start |
12610.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].end |
12612.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].text |
整個司法系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].start |
12612.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].end |
12614.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].text |
因為我們知道的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].start |
12614.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].end |
12616.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].start |
12616.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].end |
12618.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].text |
如果這是習近平派來的跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].start |
12618.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].end |
12620.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].text |
我一定譴責 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].start |
12620.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].end |
12622.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].text |
但是預謀 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].start |
12622.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].end |
12624.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].text |
到底是不是我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].start |
12624.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].end |
12626.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].text |
我不知道因為我2019被民進黨騙過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].start |
12626.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].end |
12628.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].text |
那時候有一個王立強 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].start |
12629.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].end |
12631.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].text |
跑到澳洲去接受訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].start |
12631.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].end |
12633.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].text |
說他是大陸007 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].start |
12633.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].end |
12635.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].text |
花2000萬介入韓國瑜的選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].start |
12635.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].end |
12637.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].text |
幫韓國瑜勝選 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].start |
12637.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].end |
12639.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].text |
後來當時民進黨政府說太嚴重了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].start |
12639.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].end |
12641.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].text |
怎麼會發生這樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].start |
12641.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].end |
12643.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].text |
國安事件趕快派高層去澳洲了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].start |
12643.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].end |
12645.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].text |
結果了解完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].start |
12645.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].end |
12647.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].text |
又一個相親夫婦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].start |
12647.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].end |
12649.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].text |
又把相親夫婦給抓了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].start |
12648 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].end |
12650 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].text |
結果幾年後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].start |
12649.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].end |
12651.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].text |
這個王立強被證明是個詐騙犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].start |
12652.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].end |
12654.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].text |
被澳洲遣返 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].start |
12654.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].end |
12656.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].text |
就驅逐出境 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].start |
12656.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].end |
12658.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].text |
相親夫婦被扣留在台灣好幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].start |
12658.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].end |
12660.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].text |
也出境了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].start |
12660.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].end |
12662.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].text |
所以我覺得弱勢的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].start |
12662.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].end |
12664.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].text |
我很生氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].start |
12664.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].end |
12666.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].text |
跟你們一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].start |
12666.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].end |
12668.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].text |
我跟大家一樣生氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].start |
12668.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].end |
12670.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].text |
但是是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].start |
12670.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].end |
12672.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].text |
因為民進黨以前操作過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].start |
12672.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].end |
12674.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].text |
所以我會講說都聽將你的判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].start |
12674.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].end |
12676.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].text |
讓大家了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].start |
12676.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].end |
12678.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].text |
會不會又是王立強事件的翻版 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].start |
12678.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].end |
12680.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].text |
所以謝謝主委你的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].start |
12683.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].end |
12685.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].text |
好我們下一位請翁曉玲委員發言質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].start |
12691.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].end |
12693.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].start |
12693.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].end |
12695.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].text |
這邊有請邱主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].start |
12701.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].end |
12703.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].text |
邱主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].start |
12703.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].end |
12705.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].text |
我剛剛聽到這個議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].start |
12705.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].end |
12707.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].text |
也在關心你們的出國報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].start |
12707.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].end |
12709.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].text |
這就讓我想起了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].start |
12709.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].end |
12711.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].text |
其實在這次預算審查裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].start |
12711.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].end |
12713.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].text |
我也發現蠻多的機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].start |
12713.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].end |
12715.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].text |
像是國安會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].start |
12715.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].end |
12717.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].text |
還有現在有個陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].start |
12717.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].end |
12719.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].text |
還有一些部會機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].start |
12719.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].end |
12721.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].text |
都是打著 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].start |
12721.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].end |
12723.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].text |
有國安之由 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].start |
12723.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].end |
12725.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].text |
或是說這是機密的這個文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].start |
12725.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].end |
12727.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].text |
所以都不方便揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].start |
12727.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].end |
12729.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].text |
我要再次強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].start |
12729.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].end |
12731.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].text |
現在是用公務機關的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].start |
12733.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].end |
12735.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].text |
去出國 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].start |
12735.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].end |
12737.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].text |
又不是有提這個機密預算來審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].start |
12737.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].end |
12743.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].text |
所以所有的出國報告都應該要公開揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].start |
12744 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].end |
12746 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].text |
都應該要公開揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].start |
12746 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].end |
12748 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].text |
而不是只是草率的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].start |
12748 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].end |
12750 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].text |
就是拿一份這個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].start |
12750 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].end |
12752 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].text |
給關心的委員看一看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].start |
12752 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].end |
12754 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].text |
這不符合我們立法委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].start |
12754 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].end |
12756 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].text |
監督行政機關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].start |
12756 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].end |
12758 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].text |
一個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].start |
12758 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].end |
12760 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].text |
所以我這邊要提醒陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].start |
12760 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].end |
12762 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].text |
就是之後你們所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].start |
12762 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].end |
12764 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].text |
出國報告都應該要公開揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].start |
12764 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].end |
12766 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].text |
跟委員報告我們這一點做不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].start |
12766 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].end |
12768 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].text |
因為我們陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].start |
12768 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].end |
12770 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].text |
你們做不到的話 |
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12770 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].end |
12772 |
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涉及太多機密的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].start |
12772 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].end |
12774 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].text |
各位我要講你們做不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].start |
12774 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].end |
12776 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].text |
我也尊重但是就開秘密會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].start |
12776 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].end |
12778 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].text |
提機密預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].start |
12778 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].end |
12780 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].text |
如果你沒有開秘密會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].start |
12780 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].end |
12782 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].text |
沒有提機密預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].start |
12782 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].end |
12784 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].text |
這就是你們失職你們不願意接受立法委員的監督 |
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12784.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].end |
12786.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].text |
我們很願意接受立法委員監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].start |
12786.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].end |
12788.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].text |
我們也願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].start |
12788.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].end |
12790.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].start |
12790.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].end |
12792.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].text |
我們每個出國 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].start |
12792.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].end |
12794.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].text |
我們的完全版的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].start |
12794.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].end |
12796.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].text |
都可以跟委員做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].start |
12796.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].end |
12798.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].text |
但是要恢復國家安全機密的前提下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].start |
12798.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].end |
12800.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].text |
我希望能夠跟所有的內政委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].start |
12800.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].end |
12802.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].text |
還有我們委員們來提供你們的出國報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].start |
12802.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].end |
12804.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].text |
你們用密件送也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].start |
12804.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].end |
12806.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].text |
但是不能夠以此來作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].start |
12806.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].end |
12808.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].text |
這個規避 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].start |
12808.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].end |
12810.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].text |
因為我們就是整部出國 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].start |
12810.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].end |
12812.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].text |
政府負責任的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].start |
12812.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].end |
12814.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].text |
因為本席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].start |
12814.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].end |
12816.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].text |
最近接受到很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].start |
12816.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].end |
12818.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].text |
小資公教人員的陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].start |
12818.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].end |
12820.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].text |
他們反應說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].start |
12820.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].end |
12822.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].text |
現在這個陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].start |
12822.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].end |
12824.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].text |
近來大幅強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].start |
12824.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].end |
12826.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].text |
公教人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].start |
12826.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].end |
12828.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].text |
赴鹿港澳的管理措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].start |
12828.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].end |
12830.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].text |
然後要求公教人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].start |
12830.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].end |
12832.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].text |
不論是因公因私 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].start |
12832.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].end |
12834.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].text |
或者是指示經由 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].start |
12834.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].end |
12836.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].text |
中國大陸的機場過境轉機 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].start |
12836.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].end |
12838.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].text |
都必須要事前申請事後通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].start |
12838.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].end |
12840.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].text |
如果沒有一規定的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].start |
12840.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].end |
12842.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].text |
可能還會面臨到行政懲處 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].start |
12842.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].end |
12844.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].text |
或者是有其他不利的處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].start |
12846.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].end |
12848.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].text |
那本席想講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].start |
12848.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].end |
12850.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].text |
真的我們有不少的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].start |
12850.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].end |
12852.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].text |
小資族的公教人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].start |
12852.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].end |
12854.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].text |
他們不過只是為了想要節省機票錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].start |
12854.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].end |
12856.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].text |
所以也許 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].start |
12856.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].end |
12858.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].text |
通過在北京 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].start |
12858.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].end |
12860.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].text |
過境機場轉機或是上海 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].start |
12860.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].end |
12862.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].text |
可是只是轉機 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].start |
12862.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].end |
12864.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].text |
連入境都沒有入境 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].start |
12864.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].end |
12866.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].text |
就要求人家要申報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].start |
12866.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].end |
12868.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].text |
但是像近期放暑假 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].start |
12868.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].end |
12870.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].text |
不少的公教人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].start |
12870.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].end |
12872.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].text |
想帶著小朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].start |
12872.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].end |
12874.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].text |
然後家人去港澳玩 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].start |
12874.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].end |
12876.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].text |
上海也有迪士尼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].start |
12876.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].end |
12878.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].text |
這種私人行程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].start |
12878.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].end |
12880.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].text |
而且他又不是高職等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].start |
12880.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].end |
12882.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].text |
我們現在兩岸條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].start |
12882.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].end |
12884.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].text |
是有規定就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].start |
12884.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].end |
12886.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].text |
實質等以上的或是警政 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].start |
12886.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].end |
12888.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].text |
職等是四階以上的人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].start |
12888.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].end |
12890.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].text |
才要受到管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].start |
12890.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].end |
12892.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].text |
如果是實質等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].start |
12892.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].end |
12894.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].text |
以及警監四階以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].start |
12894.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].end |
12896.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].text |
未涉及國家安全利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].start |
12896.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].end |
12898.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].text |
或機密的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].start |
12898.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].end |
12900.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].text |
以及警察人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].start |
12900.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].end |
12902.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].text |
教育人員等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].start |
12902.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].end |
12904.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].text |
是不會受到管制的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].start |
12904.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].end |
12906.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].text |
可是現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].start |
12906.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].end |
12908.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].text |
陸委會也然就是一刀切 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].start |
12908.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].end |
12910.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].text |
我不管你的職等高低 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].start |
12910.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].end |
12912.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].text |
就連二三職等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].start |
12912.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].end |
12914.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].text |
公友們也要被管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].start |
12914.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].end |
12916.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].text |
然後還有就是也不管 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].start |
12916.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].end |
12918.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].text |
這些公務人員他們是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].start |
12918.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].end |
12920.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].text |
真的有處理到國家安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].start |
12920.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].end |
12922.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].text |
或是處理到一些機密的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].start |
12922.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].end |
12924.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].text |
一些公務全部都納管 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].start |
12924.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].end |
12926.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].text |
這樣的做法合理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].start |
12926.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].end |
12928.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].text |
有符合我們台灣自詡為法制國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].start |
12928.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].end |
12930.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].text |
有符合法律保留原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].start |
12930.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].end |
12932.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].text |
有符合比例原則嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].start |
12932.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].end |
12934.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].text |
我想請主委回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].start |
12934.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].end |
12936.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].text |
是謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].start |
12936.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].end |
12938.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].text |
有關於您剛說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].start |
12938.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].end |
12940.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].text |
你看我們今天遭留置盤查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].start |
12940.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].end |
12942.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].text |
比例有50% |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].start |
12942.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].end |
12944.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].text |
是我們的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].start |
12944.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].end |
12946.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].text |
所以顯示我們的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].start |
12946.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].end |
12948.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].text |
不管是私人行程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].start |
12948.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].end |
12950.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].text |
還是旅遊行程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].start |
12950.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].end |
12952.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].text |
也容易遭到中共重點盤查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].start |
12952.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].end |
12954.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].text |
已經案例很多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].start |
12954.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].end |
12956.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].text |
不過剛剛委員所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].start |
12956.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].end |
12958.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].text |
實質等以下的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].start |
12958.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].end |
12960.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].text |
他依照現行規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].start |
12960.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].end |
12962.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].text |
也必須要由 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].start |
12962.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].end |
12964.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].text |
他原服務機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].start |
12964.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].end |
12966.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].text |
同意才能夠到中國大陸去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].start |
12966.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].end |
12968.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].text |
那我們知道很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].start |
12968.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].end |
12970.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].text |
過去並沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].start |
12970.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].end |
12972.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].text |
過去是沒有落實請假的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].start |
12972.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].end |
12974.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].text |
因為我們法律規定很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].start |
12974.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].end |
12976.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].text |
實質等以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].start |
12976.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].end |
12978.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].text |
他又沒有涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].start |
12978.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].end |
12980.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].text |
什麼國家安全的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].start |
12980.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].end |
12982.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].text |
也沒有機密的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].start |
12982.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].end |
12984.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].text |
但是我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].start |
12984.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].end |
12986.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].text |
其實現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].start |
12987.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].end |
12989.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].text |
陸委會的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].start |
12989.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].end |
12991.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].text |
已經是嚴重侵害到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].start |
12991.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].end |
12993.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].text |
隱私權和行動自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].start |
12993.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].end |
12995.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].text |
我們更為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].start |
12995.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].end |
12997.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].text |
剛好聽到我們是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].start |
12997.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].end |
12999.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].text |
保障各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].start |
12999.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].end |
13001.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].text |
萬一他被滲透 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].start |
13001.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].end |
13003.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].text |
我們需要他建立新房 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].start |
13003.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].end |
13005.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].text |
我們對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].start |
13005.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].end |
13007.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].text |
我們一大部分的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].start |
13007.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].end |
13009.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].text |
其實這也是我們今天想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].start |
13009.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].end |
13011.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].text |
譴責陸委會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].start |
13011.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].end |
13013.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].text |
我覺得你太小看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].start |
13013.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].end |
13015.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].text |
我們台灣公教人員的智慧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].start |
13015.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].end |
13017.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].text |
你認為我們大家對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].start |
13017.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].end |
13019.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].text |
到大陸到港澳地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].start |
13019.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].end |
13021.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].text |
去旅遊或是過境轉機 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].start |
13021.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].end |
13023.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].text |
我們沒有那種 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].start |
13023.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].end |
13025.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].text |
維安的這個意識嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].start |
13025.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].end |
13027.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].text |
我們在委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].start |
13027.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].end |
13029.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].text |
有風險評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].start |
13029.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].end |
13031.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].text |
接下來我就要請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].start |
13031.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].end |
13033.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].text |
因為你一直口口聲聲說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].start |
13033.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].end |
13035.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].text |
現在在大陸失聯遭留置盤查的人數很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].start |
13035.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].end |
13037.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].text |
根據你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].start |
13037.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].end |
13039.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].text |
統計從113年1月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].start |
13039.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].end |
13041.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].text |
到115年7月22號為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].start |
13041.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].end |
13043.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].text |
目前大概有402人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].start |
13043.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].end |
13045.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].text |
這個曾經有被留置 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].start |
13045.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].end |
13047.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].text |
或者是留置盤查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].start |
13047.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].end |
13049.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].text |
或是遭限制人身自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].start |
13049.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].end |
13051.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].text |
那本席要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].start |
13051.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].end |
13053.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].text |
問的要請教的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].start |
13053.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].end |
13055.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].text |
你們這些數字是怎麼來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].start |
13055.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].end |
13057.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].text |
我們都是有人像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].start |
13057.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].end |
13059.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].text |
所以你們這些數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].start |
13059.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].end |
13061.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].text |
是跟什麼是跟陸委會報案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].start |
13061.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].end |
13063.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].text |
這個當事人的家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].start |
13063.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].end |
13065.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].text |
或是他親友 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].start |
13065.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].end |
13067.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].text |
像我們檢證機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].start |
13067.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].end |
13069.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].text |
陸委會海基會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].start |
13069.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].end |
13071.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].text |
這個有跟我們報案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].start |
13071.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].end |
13073.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].text |
好現在是不是可以請劉部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].start |
13080.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].end |
13082.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].text |
本席關心的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].start |
13082.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].end |
13084.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].text |
剛剛那些數字是家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].start |
13084.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].end |
13086.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].text |
像內政部警政署報案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].start |
13086.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].end |
13088.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].text |
還是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].start |
13088.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].end |
13090.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].text |
是像海基會的緊急服務專線求助 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].start |
13090.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].end |
13092.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].text |
又或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].start |
13092.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].end |
13094.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].text |
像陸委會直接陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].start |
13094.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].end |
13096.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].text |
三個機關都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].start |
13096.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].end |
13098.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].text |
所以三個機關的數字整個加起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].start |
13098.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].end |
13100.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].text |
那你們有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].start |
13100.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].end |
13102.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].text |
這個中間去double check |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].start |
13102.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].end |
13104.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].text |
有沒有重複的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].start |
13104.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].end |
13106.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].text |
陸委會都有做這樣的確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].start |
13106.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].end |
13108.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].text |
所以這些都沒有重複 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].start |
13108.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].end |
13110.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].text |
有些事像內政部警政署報案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].start |
13110.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].end |
13112.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].text |
有些事像陸委會陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].start |
13112.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].end |
13114.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].text |
對我們都有聯繫系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].start |
13114.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].end |
13116.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].text |
所以都沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].start |
13116.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].end |
13118.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].text |
謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].start |
13118.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].end |
13120.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].text |
也謝謝那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].start |
13120.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].end |
13122.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].text |
數字只有更多不會更少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].start |
13121.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].end |
13123.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].text |
那所以呢中間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].start |
13123.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].end |
13125.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].text |
這件402是到目前為止都沒有回來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].start |
13125.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].end |
13127.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].text |
陸委員你關心是我特別給你回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].start |
13127.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].end |
13129.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].text |
這個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].start |
13129.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].end |
13131.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].text |
實際數字絕對比公佈的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].start |
13131.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].end |
13133.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].text |
不會少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].start |
13132.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].end |
13134.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].text |
這第一點為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].start |
13134.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].end |
13136.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].text |
因為很多的家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].start |
13136.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].end |
13138.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].text |
都沒有回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].start |
13137.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].end |
13139.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].text |
基於安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].start |
13139.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].end |
13141.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].text |
擔心人還在對岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].start |
13140.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].end |
13142.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].text |
他不敢跟官方陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].start |
13143.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].end |
13145.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].text |
所以他沒有報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].start |
13145.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].end |
13147.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].text |
因為海基位數字跟陸委員數字我們核對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].start |
13147.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].end |
13149.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].text |
我們有個群組在核對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].start |
13149.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].end |
13151.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].text |
每天核對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].start |
13152.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].end |
13154.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].text |
過去18個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].start |
13154.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].end |
13156.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].text |
海基會收到這225件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].start |
13158.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].end |
13160.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].text |
當事人的家屬來陳情協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].start |
13161.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].end |
13163.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].text |
好了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].start |
13163.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].end |
13165.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].text |
謝謝陸委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].start |
13165.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].end |
13167.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].text |
每個數字都是真實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].start |
13167.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].end |
13169.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].text |
我先了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].start |
13169.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].end |
13171.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].text |
你這402人是不是中間其實已經有些人回來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].start |
13171.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].end |
13173.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].text |
扣除掉那個數字了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].start |
13173.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].end |
13175.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].text |
扣除掉數字了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].start |
13175.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].end |
13177.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].text |
我可以跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].start |
13177.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].end |
13179.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].text |
你先13年到15年去22號 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].start |
13179.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].end |
13181.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].text |
你這402人有沒有包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].start |
13181.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].end |
13183.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].text |
中間有些人已經回來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].start |
13184.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].end |
13186.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].text |
我跟陸委員報告海基會這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].start |
13186.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].end |
13188.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].text |
海基會這邊我們過去18個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].start |
13188.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].end |
13190.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].text |
從去年1月1號到今年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].start |
13190.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].end |
13192.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].text |
6月30號為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].start |
13192.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].end |
13194.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].text |
跟海基會陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].start |
13194.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].end |
13196.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].text |
有當事人的家屬陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].start |
13196.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].end |
13198.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].text |
有225件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].start |
13198 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].end |
13200 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].text |
225件其中有91件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].start |
13200 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].end |
13202 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].text |
到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].start |
13202 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].end |
13204 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].text |
還是失聯完全找不到人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].start |
13204 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].end |
13206 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].text |
在40% |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].start |
13206 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].end |
13208 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].text |
有134件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].start |
13208 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].end |
13210 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].text |
後來找到人了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].start |
13210 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].end |
13212 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].text |
找到人這134件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].start |
13212 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].end |
13214 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].text |
有些回到台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].start |
13214 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].end |
13216 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].text |
其中有102件現在人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].start |
13216 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].end |
13218 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].text |
被關在中國的相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].start |
13218 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].end |
13220 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].text |
看守所監獄內以上數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].start |
13220 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].end |
13222 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].text |
好謝謝執行長說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].start |
13222 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].end |
13224 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].text |
所以我希望就是說未來是不是可以把 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].start |
13224 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].end |
13226 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].text |
這些數據分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].start |
13226 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].end |
13228 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].text |
講得更清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].start |
13228 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].end |
13230 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].text |
否則大家會誤會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].start |
13230 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].end |
13232 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].text |
所以剛剛執行長說其實90幾個人已經回來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].start |
13232 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].end |
13234 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].text |
那剩下的這些沒有回來人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].start |
13234 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].end |
13236 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].text |
有些可能是真的被關在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].start |
13236 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].end |
13238 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].text |
或是有些人根本不想回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].start |
13238 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].end |
13240 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].text |
因為你們前面數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].start |
13240 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].end |
13242 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].text |
91個人到現在還找不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].start |
13242 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].end |
13244 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].text |
134個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].start |
13244 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].end |
13246 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].text |
有找到人了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].start |
13246 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].end |
13248 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].text |
其中還在中國被拘禁了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].start |
13248 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].end |
13250 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].text |
有102個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].start |
13250 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].end |
13252 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].text |
所以回來的是22個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].start |
13252 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].end |
13254 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].text |
是不是在中國拘禁我們不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].start |
13254 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].end |
13256 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].text |
所以你們現在的兩岸共打的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].start |
13256 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].end |
13258 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].text |
基本上是失靈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].start |
13258 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].end |
13260 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].text |
你們根本也沒有清楚那邊的數字訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].start |
13260 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].end |
13262 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].text |
如果說今天是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].start |
13262 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].end |
13264 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].text |
被留置盤查的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].start |
13264 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].end |
13266 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].text |
他涉及到違反大陸那裡的相關的法律規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].start |
13266 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].end |
13268 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].text |
譬如說這個可能是涉及到詐欺 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].start |
13268 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].end |
13270 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].text |
詐騙刑事犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].start |
13270 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].end |
13272 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].text |
或者是可能涉及到他們那裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].start |
13272 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].end |
13274 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].text |
這個國安的相關法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].start |
13274 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].end |
13276 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].text |
可能因為這個原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].start |
13276 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].end |
13278 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].text |
而被留置 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].start |
13278 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].end |
13280 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].text |
而被拘禁 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].start |
13280 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].end |
13282 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].text |
那麼就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].start |
13282 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].end |
13284 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].text |
以你們現在的這個數字來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].start |
13284 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].end |
13286 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].text |
沒有分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].start |
13286 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].end |
13288 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].text |
大家搞不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].start |
13288 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].end |
13290 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].text |
假設今天是真的因為被詐欺犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].start |
13290 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].end |
13292 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].text |
特別再教你一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].start |
13292 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].end |
13294 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].text |
坦白說我們國人還蠻開心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].start |
13294 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].end |
13296 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].text |
至少這些詐欺犯不會回來台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].start |
13296 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].end |
13298 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].text |
然後又來詐欺我們台北 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].start |
13298 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].end |
13300 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].text |
國務院你是學法律的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].start |
13300 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].end |
13302 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].text |
非常熟悉知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].start |
13302 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].end |
13304 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].text |
根據1999年4月兩岸兩會簽訂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].start |
13304 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].end |
13306 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].text |
共同打擊犯罪與司法互助協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].start |
13306 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].end |
13308 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].text |
第12條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].start |
13308 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].end |
13310 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].text |
明文規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].start |
13310 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].end |
13312 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].text |
兩岸的人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].start |
13312 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].end |
13314 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].text |
在對方的地區內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].start |
13314 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].end |
13316 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].text |
如果任何狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].start |
13316 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].end |
13318 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].text |
神身自由受到限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].start |
13318 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].end |
13320 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].text |
雙方要立即通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].start |
13320 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].end |
13322 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].text |
即使他是詐欺犯毒走私 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].start |
13322 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].end |
13324 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].text |
任何的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].start |
13324 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].end |
13326 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].text |
都要及時通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].start |
13326 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].end |
13328 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].text |
所以說今天問題出在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].start |
13328 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].end |
13330 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].text |
出在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].start |
13329.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].end |
13331.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].text |
對岸片面不按照 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].start |
13331.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].end |
13333.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].text |
兩會共同協議來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].start |
13333.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].end |
13335.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].text |
所以一切都是回到軌道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].start |
13335.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].end |
13337.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].text |
就是他們按照當初簽訂協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].start |
13337.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].end |
13339.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].text |
來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].start |
13339.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].end |
13341.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].text |
我們所有事務的掌握很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].start |
13341.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].end |
13343.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].text |
我想這個兩岸的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].start |
13343.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].end |
13345.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].text |
要互相 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].start |
13345.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].end |
13347.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].text |
為什麼現在對岸人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].start |
13347.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].end |
13349.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].text |
對於交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].start |
13349.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].end |
13351.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].text |
或是你們就問已讀不回 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].start |
13351.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].end |
13353.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].text |
也不能這樣解讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].start |
13353.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].end |
13355.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].text |
好像是我們的錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].start |
13355.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].end |
13357.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].text |
不是我們的錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].start |
13357.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].end |
13359.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].text |
所以兩岸的交流法也要檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].start |
13359.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].end |
13361.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].text |
就像我講的交流協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].start |
13361.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].end |
13363.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].text |
的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].start |
13363.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].end |
13365.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].text |
都是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].start |
13365.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].end |
13367.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].text |
所以你什麼都是中國的錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].start |
13367.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].end |
13369.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].text |
他也認為都是我們台灣的錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].start |
13369.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].end |
13371.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].text |
現在最重要的問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].start |
13371.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].end |
13373.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].text |
你們讓我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].start |
13373.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].end |
13375.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].text |
這個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].start |
13375.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].end |
13377.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].text |
這麼多人是留在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].start |
13377.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].end |
13379.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].text |
被排查的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].start |
13379.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].end |
13381.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].text |
你們就應該清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].start |
13381.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].end |
13383.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].text |
到底有哪些也要講出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].start |
13383.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].end |
13385.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].text |
我就是非常關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].start |
13385.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].end |
13387.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].text |
他們的錯你不是說是我們的錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].start |
13387.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].end |
13389.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].text |
中國國內大錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].start |
13389.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].end |
13391.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].text |
你不是說是台灣的錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].start |
13391.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].end |
13393.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].start |
13393.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].end |
13395.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].text |
我是就是那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].start |
13395.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].end |
13397.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].text |
我是就是那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].start |
13397.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].end |
13399.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].text |
兩位冷靜一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].start |
13399.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].end |
13401.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].text |
不要緊張 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].start |
13401.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].end |
13403.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].text |
不要緊張 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].start |
13403.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].end |
13405.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].text |
我關心的是假設真的有這麼多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].start |
13407.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].end |
13409.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].text |
被留置在大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].start |
13409.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].end |
13411.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].text |
被拘禁在大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].start |
13411.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].end |
13413.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].text |
他們的家族在像我們的陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].start |
13413.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].end |
13415.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].text |
像我們海基會求助的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].start |
13415.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].end |
13417.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].text |
我們能提供什麼協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].start |
13417.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].end |
13419.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].text |
我們有一些案件都在情形的直覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].start |
13419.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].end |
13421.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].text |
在電視上面不斷的喊話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].start |
13421.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].end |
13423.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].text |
都是大陸好可惡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].start |
13423.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].end |
13425.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].text |
他怎麼可以做這個事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].start |
13425.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].end |
13427.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].text |
對於我們的人完全不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].start |
13427.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].end |
13429.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].text |
而且我們甚至都懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].start |
13429.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].end |
13431.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].text |
你們數字的正確性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].start |
13431.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].end |
13433.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].text |
坦白說我剛剛講得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].start |
13433.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].end |
13435.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].text |
沒有一件是錯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].start |
13435.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].end |
13437.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].text |
你也在這邊說我們數字錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].start |
13437.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].end |
13439.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].text |
我解釋不讓你去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].start |
13439.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].end |
13441.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].text |
我們聽講了你們的廣播 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].start |
13441.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].end |
13443.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].text |
到底是住在哪個地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].start |
13443.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].end |
13445.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].text |
我們要怎麼解釋你才會知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].start |
13445.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].end |
13447.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].text |
你相信他們不相信我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].start |
13447.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].end |
13449.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].text |
我相信你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].start |
13449.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].end |
13451.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].text |
你相信他們說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].start |
13451.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].end |
13453.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].text |
說數字錯的我每個數字眼看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].start |
13453.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].end |
13455.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].text |
我可以給你看每個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].start |
13456.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].end |
13458.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].text |
我們在第一線執行的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].start |
13458.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].end |
13460.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].text |
非常辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].start |
13460.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].end |
13462.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].text |
你剛剛說你可以提供給我看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].start |
13462.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].end |
13464.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].text |
我就麻煩請你把相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].start |
13464.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].end |
13466.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].text |
文件以密件的方式提供給我看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].start |
13466.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].end |
13468.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].text |
我可以啊方便跟你做報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].start |
13468.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].end |
13470.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].text |
我確實要做到底有沒有這些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].start |
13470.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].end |
13472.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].text |
因為我也高度的懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].start |
13472.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].end |
13474.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].text |
為什麼我們台灣的家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].start |
13474.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].end |
13476.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].text |
竟然這麼受委屈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].start |
13476.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].end |
13478.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].text |
連像我們的媒體也不敢公開報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].start |
13478.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].end |
13480.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].start |
13480.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].end |
13482.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].text |
像陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].start |
13482.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].end |
13484.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].text |
像海基會的求助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].start |
13484.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].end |
13486.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].text |
就是你們準備了積極的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].start |
13486.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].end |
13488.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].text |
我們現在是為了這些家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].start |
13488.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].end |
13490.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].text |
我敢打爆不給你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].start |
13490.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].end |
13492.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].text |
我們就如實呈現 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].start |
13492.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].end |
13494.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].text |
沒有你講的造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].start |
13494.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].end |
13496.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].text |
這不可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].start |
13496.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].end |
13498.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].text |
最好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].start |
13498.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].end |
13500.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].text |
你要大家相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].start |
13500.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].end |
13502.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].text |
最好的方式就是把數據公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].start |
13502.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].end |
13504.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].text |
到底在台北有多少位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].start |
13504.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].end |
13506.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].text |
我們每個禮拜都公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].start |
13506.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].end |
13508.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].text |
為了什麼樣的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].start |
13508.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].end |
13510.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].text |
而被彈制拘留 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].start |
13510.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].end |
13512.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].text |
我要講是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].start |
13512.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].end |
13514.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].text |
不可以讓我講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].start |
13514.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].end |
13516.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].text |
交流兩三百萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].start |
13516.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].end |
13518.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].text |
不可以讓我講一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].start |
13517.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].end |
13519.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].text |
我非常感謝你關心這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].start |
13519.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].end |
13521.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].text |
失聯的台灣人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].start |
13521.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].end |
13523.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].text |
我當然關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].start |
13523.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].end |
13525.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].text |
我們數據完全沒有造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].start |
13525.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].end |
13527.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].text |
今天說造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].start |
13527.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].end |
13529.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].text |
是國台辦在記者會說造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].start |
13529.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].end |
13531.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].text |
他們說造假我完全理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].start |
13531.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].end |
13533.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].text |
因為他們就是這樣的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].start |
13533.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].end |
13535.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].text |
這樣的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].start |
13535.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].end |
13537.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].text |
但是你作為中央的立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].start |
13537.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].end |
13539.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].text |
你說我們資料造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].start |
13539.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].end |
13541.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].text |
而我提供造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].start |
13541.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].end |
13543.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].text |
你還一再講說數字有問題造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].start |
13543.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].end |
13545.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].text |
坦白講我心裡很痛心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].start |
13545.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].end |
13547.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].text |
我希望您能夠了解一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].start |
13547.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].end |
13549.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].text |
我沒有質疑你們的數字造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].start |
13549.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].end |
13551.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].text |
但是我現在質疑的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].start |
13551.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].end |
13553.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].text |
這些數字後面代表什麼樣的個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].start |
13553.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].end |
13555.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].text |
如果你沒有清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].start |
13555.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].end |
13557.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].text |
讓我們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].start |
13557.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].end |
13559.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].text |
我怎麼會知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].start |
13559.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].end |
13561.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].text |
我馬上可以告訴你個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].start |
13561.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].end |
13563.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].text |
我馬上可以告訴你個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].start |
13563.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].end |
13565.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].text |
如果你想聽的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].start |
13565.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].end |
13567.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].text |
基本上我們今天時間還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].start |
13567.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].end |
13569.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].text |
在中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].start |
13569.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].end |
13571.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].text |
如果你沒有做好計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].start |
13571.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].end |
13573.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].text |
沒有做好準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].start |
13573.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].end |
13575.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].text |
做好心理準備是充滿風險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].start |
13577.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].end |
13579.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].text |
我如果告訴你們個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].start |
13579.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].end |
13581.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].text |
一個個案的個案在這邊講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].start |
13581.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].end |
13583.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].text |
我剛才講說每一個台灣人都會知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].start |
13583.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].end |
13585.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].text |
他要不要從大陸去交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].start |
13585.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].end |
13587.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].text |
要不要去旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].start |
13587.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].end |
13589.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].text |
每個人都會有一些判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].start |
13589.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].end |
13591.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].text |
我希望你們能夠提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].start |
13591.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].end |
13593.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].text |
這是把國會立委的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].start |
13593.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].end |
13595.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].text |
讓國人知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].start |
13595.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].end |
13597.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].text |
負重尤其宗教交流的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].start |
13597.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].end |
13599.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].text |
危險性 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].start |
13599.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].end |
13601.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].text |
所以你們就把到底是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].start |
13601.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].end |
13603.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].text |
一尾一貫道還是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].start |
13603.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].end |
13605.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].text |
有哪些宗教的人士然後解隔愛國 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].start |
13605.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].end |
13607.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].text |
我剛才都講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].start |
13607.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].end |
13609.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].text |
一個個案跟個案向委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].start |
13609.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].end |
13611.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].text |
比方今年的幾月幾號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].start |
13611.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].end |
13613.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].text |
在廣西有一個七十幾歲的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].start |
13613.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].end |
13615.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].text |
老先生他們要在旅遊途中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].start |
13615.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].end |
13617.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].text |
被抓了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].start |
13617.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].end |
13619.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].text |
到底有沒有受到你們實質的幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].start |
13619.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].end |
13621.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].text |
而不是只是口號上講講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].start |
13621.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].end |
13623.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].text |
然後你們到底做了些什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].start |
13623.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].end |
13625.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].text |
你們有進過什麼樣的溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].start |
13625.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].end |
13627.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].text |
我沒有不聽你們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].start |
13627.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].end |
13629.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].text |
我沒有不聽你們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].start |
13629.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].end |
13630.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].text |
我中間已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].start |
13630.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].end |
13632.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].text |
你要相信台灣這層的自治 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].start |
13632.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].end |
13634.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].text |
我不是相信國台辦的記者會的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].start |
13634.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].end |
13636.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].text |
基本上你就是給我扣帽子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].start |
13636.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].end |
13638.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].text |
我並不是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].start |
13638.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].end |
13640.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].text |
我們數字造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].start |
13640.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].end |
13642.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].text |
我也沒有反同說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].start |
13642.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].end |
13644.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].text |
國台辦說的是對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].start |
13644.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].end |
13646.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].text |
我今天是中華民國的立法委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].start |
13646.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].end |
13648.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].text |
我當然有資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].start |
13648.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].end |
13650.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].text |
要去監國陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].start |
13650.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].end |
13652.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].text |
要去監國海基會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].start |
13652.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].end |
13654.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].text |
你們每年拿了那麼多錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].start |
13654.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].end |
13656.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].text |
我沒有看到實質上對於這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].start |
13656.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].end |
13658.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].text |
你們所謂的被治留 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].start |
13658.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].end |
13660.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].text |
或被拘禁在大陸的人民和家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].start |
13660.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].end |
13662.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].text |
你們提供了什麼實質的幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].start |
13662.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].end |
13664.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].text |
兩岸司法互助協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].start |
13664.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].end |
13666.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].text |
實質上對於我們同仁的第一線 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].start |
13666.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].end |
13668.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].text |
如果你想知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].start |
13668.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].end |
13670.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].text |
你也可以帶你的國民議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].start |
13670.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].end |
13672.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].text |
跟我們一起參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].start |
13672.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].end |
13674.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].text |
你們不能用在現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].start |
13674.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].end |
13676.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].text |
污衊海基會的同仁做我們沒有做事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].start |
13676.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].end |
13678.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].text |
你們基本上根本沒有做到什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].start |
13678.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].end |
13680.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].text |
大家勇敢的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].start |
13680.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].end |
13682.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].text |
以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].start |
13687.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].end |
13689.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].text |
好我們下一位請徐新穎委員發言諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].start |
13691.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].end |
13693.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].text |
抱歉抱歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].start |
13693.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].end |
13695.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].text |
跟正我們下一位請林德夫委員發言諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].start |
13695.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].end |
13697.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].text |
林德夫林德夫林德夫不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].start |
13697.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].end |
13699.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].text |
下一位請徐新穎委員發言諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].start |
13704.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].end |
13706.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].text |
謝謝主席本席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].start |
13706.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].end |
13708.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].text |
有請邱主委還有我們羅秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].start |
13711.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].end |
13713.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].text |
咳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].start |
13715.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].end |
13717.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].text |
徐委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].start |
13717.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].end |
13719.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].start |
13718.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].end |
13720.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].text |
剛剛兩位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].start |
13720.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].end |
13722.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].text |
對我們汪委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].start |
13722.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].end |
13724.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].text |
這個他在講話的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].start |
13724.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].end |
13726.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].text |
我真的覺得你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].start |
13726.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].end |
13728.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].text |
應該要聽他給你們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].start |
13728.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].end |
13730.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].text |
你們再講那我接續 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].start |
13730.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].end |
13732.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].text |
的說啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].start |
13731.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].end |
13735.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].text |
我們海基會的報告寫的非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].start |
13737.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].end |
13739.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].text |
剛剛也有講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].start |
13739.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].end |
13745.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].text |
沒錯海峽兩岸共同打擊犯罪及司法互助協議第十二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].start |
13745.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].end |
13751.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].text |
雙方應及時通報對方人員遭限制人身自由的重要訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].start |
13751.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].end |
13755.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].text |
但是從113年4月中旬以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].start |
13755.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].end |
13757.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].text |
路方已經戒詞不履行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].start |
13757.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].end |
13761.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].text |
導致家屬無法取得正式通報查證無門 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].start |
13762.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].end |
13766.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].text |
那我們看到同樣一份報告後面你們又寫說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].start |
13766.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].end |
13769.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].text |
主要處理方式仍然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].start |
13769.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].end |
13771.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].text |
巡兩會管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].start |
13771.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].end |
13773.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].text |
促請路方協詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].start |
13774.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].end |
13776.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].text |
也是致寒海協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].start |
13776.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].end |
13779.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].text |
然後再度去寒催辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].start |
13779.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].end |
13784.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].text |
再來含知法務部及警政署參署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].start |
13785.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].end |
13787.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].text |
OK 陸委會報告也一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].start |
13787.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].end |
13791.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].text |
失聯就透過兩會管道查詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].start |
13791.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].end |
13796.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].text |
遭限制人身自由就再依共打協議要求路方通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].start |
13796.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].end |
13798.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].text |
這都是你們的報告寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].start |
13798.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].end |
13800.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].text |
那我們最想問的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].start |
13800.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].end |
13804.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].text |
當政府我們台灣政府已經承認 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].start |
13804.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].end |
13808.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].text |
這條主要通報管道已經長期失靈了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].start |
13808.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].end |
13813.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].text |
結果你們提出來的方案仍然是繼續發寒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].start |
13813.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].end |
13815.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].text |
再度去寒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].start |
13815.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].end |
13816.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].text |
含知 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].start |
13816.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].end |
13818.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].text |
所以你這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].start |
13818.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].end |
13822.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].text |
明明知道不可行的你就是做個去寒的動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].start |
13822.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].end |
13825.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].text |
好 那接著我來問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].start |
13825.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].end |
13828.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].text |
我們從113年4月中旬以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].start |
13828.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].end |
13832.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].text |
我方透過協議或兩會管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].start |
13832.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].end |
13834.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].text |
查詢多少案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].start |
13834.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].end |
13836.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].text |
有沒有辦法立刻 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].start |
13836.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].end |
13838.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].text |
如果沒辦法會後跟我講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].start |
13838.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].end |
13842.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].text |
然後就是說我方透過協議及兩會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].start |
13842.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].end |
13844.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].text |
你們到底查詢了多少件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].start |
13844.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].end |
13846.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].text |
到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].start |
13846.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].end |
13849.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].text |
路方實質回覆又有多少件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].start |
13849.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].end |
13850.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].start |
13850.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].end |
13852.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].text |
平均多久回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].start |
13853.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].end |
13855.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].text |
完全不回覆的又是多少件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].start |
13856.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].end |
13858.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].text |
好 你可以回答是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].start |
13858.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].end |
13860.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].text |
有數字 那可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].start |
13861.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].end |
13862.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].text |
請說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].start |
13862.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].end |
13863.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].text |
正如徐委員所講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].start |
13863.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].end |
13866.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].text |
按照司法付出的協議第12條 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].start |
13866.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].end |
13868.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].text |
他們必須立即通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].start |
13868.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].end |
13870.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].text |
好啦 你回答我的問題嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].start |
13870.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].end |
13873.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].text |
現在到底從113年4月以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].start |
13873.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].end |
13876.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].text |
我告訴你 徐委員 剛剛你講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].start |
13876.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].end |
13879.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].text |
我們該去寒的 該做的 該國內相當 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].start |
13879.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].end |
13881.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].text |
我現在的問題是你多少件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].start |
13881.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].end |
13882.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].text |
我們真的該做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].start |
13882.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].end |
13884.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].text |
按照協議該做我們都要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].start |
13884.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].end |
13885.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].text |
第幾件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].start |
13885.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].end |
13886.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].text |
第幾件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].start |
13886.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].end |
13888.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].text |
我會回答你的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].start |
13888.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].end |
13889.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].text |
你放心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].start |
13889.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].end |
13890.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].text |
你回答我的問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].start |
13890.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].end |
13891.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].text |
沒有那麼多時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].start |
13891.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].end |
13893.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].text |
225件 上海機會成群的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].start |
13893.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].end |
13896.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].text |
每一件我們都發函給對岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].start |
13896.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].end |
13898.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].text |
因為這按照協議機制我們就要做的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].start |
13898.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].end |
13899.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].text |
這每一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].start |
13899.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].end |
13903.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].text |
你從113年4月中旬以來225件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].start |
13903.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].end |
13906.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].text |
從114年1月225件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].start |
13906.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].end |
13910.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].text |
我是問113 4月中旬之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].start |
13910.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].end |
13914.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].text |
所以你們這數字為什麼不從1134 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].start |
13914.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].end |
13915.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].text |
等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].start |
13915.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].end |
13917.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].text |
你講到這我就順便 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].start |
13917.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].end |
13919.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].text |
你們今天兩會的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].start |
13921.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].end |
13926.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].text |
海機會就是從114年1月到115年6月 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].start |
13926.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].end |
13928.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].text |
然後225件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].start |
13929.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].end |
13930.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].text |
那陸委會呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].start |
13930.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].end |
13931.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].text |
陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].start |
13931.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].end |
13934.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].text |
陸委會是給我們的報告是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].start |
13934.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].end |
13936.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].text |
113年1月 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].start |
13936.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].end |
13940.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].text |
他從113年1月到115年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].start |
13940.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].end |
13942.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].text |
今年7月22日 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].start |
13942.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].end |
13945.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].text |
告訴我們有402人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].start |
13945.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].end |
13946.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].text |
你們兩會很厲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].start |
13946.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].end |
13947.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].text |
一個用人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].start |
13947.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].end |
13949.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].text |
一個用案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].start |
13949.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].end |
13950.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].text |
為單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].start |
13950.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].end |
13953.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].text |
然後統計期間又完全的不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].start |
13953.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].end |
13955.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].text |
分類也不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].start |
13955.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].end |
13957.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].text |
兩份報告完全沒有說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].start |
13957.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].end |
13959.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].text |
沒跟我們講兩組數字如何回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].start |
13960.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].end |
13962.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].text |
這個我特別提出來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].start |
13962.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].end |
13964.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].text |
但是我拉回來我剛剛問的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].start |
13964.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].end |
13968.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].text |
你到底從113年4月到現在有多少件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].start |
13968.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].end |
13970.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].text |
我們每一件都通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].start |
13970.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].end |
13972.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].text |
你這邊沒關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].start |
13972.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].end |
13973.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].text |
225件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].start |
13973.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].end |
13974.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].text |
等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].start |
13974.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].end |
13975.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].text |
是我在問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].start |
13975.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].end |
13977.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].text |
陸方實質回覆多少件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].start |
13977.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].end |
13978.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].text |
你225件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].start |
13978.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].end |
13979.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].text |
7件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].start |
13979.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].end |
13980.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].text |
7件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].start |
13980.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].end |
13982.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].text |
所以你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].start |
13982.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].end |
13985.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].text |
你們都知道你去函沒有用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].start |
13985.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].end |
13987.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].text |
還是要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].start |
13987.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].end |
13989.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].text |
我們遵守協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].start |
13989.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].end |
13991.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].text |
不遵守協議是他的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].start |
13991.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].end |
13993.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].text |
我方遵守協議我們還是要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].start |
13993.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].end |
13994.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].text |
你還是要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].start |
13994.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].end |
13995.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].text |
我請教除了去函 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].start |
13995.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].end |
13997.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].text |
你還有沒有更有效的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].start |
13997.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].end |
13999.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].text |
我們有其他方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].start |
13999.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].end |
14000.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].text |
什麼方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].start |
14000.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].end |
14001.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].text |
我可以舉例說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].start |
14001.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].end |
14002.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].text |
我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].start |
14002.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].end |
14003.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].text |
比如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].start |
14003.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].end |
14005.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].text |
你的方式失靈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].start |
14005.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].end |
14006.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].text |
你去函失靈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].start |
14006.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].end |
14008.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].text |
然後你的方法也失靈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].start |
14008.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].end |
14009.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].text |
比如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].start |
14009.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].end |
14010.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].text |
你剛剛有講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].start |
14010.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].end |
14013.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].text |
你剛剛回答翁曉玲說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].start |
14013.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].end |
14015.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].text |
數字只會多不會少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].start |
14015.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].end |
14016.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].start |
14016.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].end |
14018.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].text |
原因其實我要告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].start |
14018.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].end |
14021.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].text |
因為民眾對於兩會沒有信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].start |
14021.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].end |
14023.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].text |
他找你他覺得沒有用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].start |
14023.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].end |
14025.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].text |
你也很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].start |
14025.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].end |
14027.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].text |
在我們鄉親手上就有個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].start |
14027.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].end |
14029.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].text |
我們在225案件中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].start |
14029.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].end |
14031.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].text |
有百分之60的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].start |
14031.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].end |
14034.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].text |
其實他們沒有回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].start |
14034.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].end |
14036.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].text |
經過我們其他管道查詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].start |
14036.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].end |
14037.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].text |
也查到結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].start |
14037.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].end |
14039.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].text |
也給我們家屬一個回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].start |
14040.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].end |
14041.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].text |
所以你不能說失靈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].start |
14041.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].end |
14044.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].text |
家屬要求是值的幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].start |
14044.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].end |
14046.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].text |
很多對照的協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].start |
14046.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].end |
14047.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].text |
你都做不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].start |
14047.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].end |
14049.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].text |
對案、騙面、不遵守協議、不通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].start |
14049.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].end |
14051.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].text |
我們還是用我們的管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].start |
14051.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].end |
14054.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].text |
我們在225案中有134案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].start |
14054.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].end |
14056.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].text |
我們查到人在哪裡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].start |
14056.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].end |
14058.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].text |
所以你不能說失靈沒有效 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].start |
14058.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].end |
14059.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].text |
你剛剛問我數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].start |
14059.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].end |
14060.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].text |
我要告訴你數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].start |
14060.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].end |
14062.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].text |
所以你的數字就沒有效 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].start |
14062.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].end |
14063.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].text |
怎麼會沒有效 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].start |
14063.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].end |
14064.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].text |
還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].start |
14064.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].end |
14067.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].text |
134件我們查到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].start |
14067.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].end |
14068.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].text |
不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].start |
14068.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].end |
14069.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].text |
所以不是沒有效 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].start |
14069.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].end |
14070.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].text |
不要只說數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].start |
14070.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].end |
14072.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].text |
你要看民眾的感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].start |
14072.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].end |
14073.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].text |
因為剛才問我數字的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].start |
14073.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].end |
14074.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].text |
我講數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].start |
14074.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].end |
14075.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].text |
後來我有講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].start |
14075.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].end |
14076.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].text |
我說你實質上就沒有效 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].start |
14076.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].end |
14077.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].text |
民眾的感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].start |
14077.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].end |
14079.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].text |
那我也講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].start |
14079.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].end |
14081.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].text |
我們自己新竹縣鄉親 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].start |
14081.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].end |
14082.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].text |
在我手上的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].start |
14082.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].end |
14083.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].text |
找你們就沒效 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].start |
14083.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].end |
14084.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].text |
好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].start |
14084.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].end |
14085.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].text |
徐偉業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].start |
14085.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].end |
14088.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].text |
我們很積極去協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].start |
14088.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].end |
14091.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].text |
也去現場探訪一手官區的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].start |
14091.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].end |
14092.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].text |
完全沒有用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].start |
14092.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].end |
14093.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].text |
您用你的方式去協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].start |
14093.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].end |
14095.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].text |
你也知道結果怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].start |
14095.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].end |
14096.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].text |
那結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].start |
14096.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].end |
14098.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].text |
我們碰到是一個專制蠻橫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].start |
14098.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].end |
14099.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].text |
政府跟政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].start |
14099.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].end |
14100.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].text |
好啦我沒有時間了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].start |
14100.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].end |
14101.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].text |
注意到這個協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].start |
14101.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].end |
14102.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].text |
國情海基金會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].start |
14102.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].end |
14103.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].text |
入委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].start |
14103.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].end |
14104.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].text |
你們加油 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].start |
14104.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].end |
14107.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].text |
因為民眾沒有辦法得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].start |
14107.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].end |
14108.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].text |
你們實質的協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].start |
14108.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].end |
14109.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].text |
好OK |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].start |
14109.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].end |
14111.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].text |
我要請警政署長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].start |
14112.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].end |
14113.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].start |
14119.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].end |
14120.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].text |
署長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].start |
14120.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].end |
14123.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].text |
我們最近有AI身為的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].start |
14123.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].end |
14124.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].text |
聲音的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].start |
14125.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].end |
14127.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].text |
本席想請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].start |
14127.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].end |
14130.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].text |
我們政府到底有沒有一套清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].start |
14130.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].end |
14131.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].text |
一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].start |
14131.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].end |
14132.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].text |
一致性 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].start |
14132.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].end |
14134.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].text |
不分政黨的法律標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].start |
14135.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].end |
14138.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].text |
我們到底什麼樣的情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].start |
14140.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].end |
14141.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].text |
應該這樣問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].start |
14141.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].end |
14142.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].text |
是不是所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].start |
14143.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].end |
14145.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].text |
沒有經過當事人同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].start |
14146.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].end |
14147.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].text |
的AI身為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].start |
14147.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].end |
14149.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].text |
不管影音 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].start |
14151.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].end |
14152.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].start |
14152.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].end |
14153.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].start |
14153.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].end |
14155.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].text |
所以只要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].start |
14155.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].end |
14156.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].text |
那我請 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].start |
14156.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].end |
14157.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].text |
我本席請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].start |
14157.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].end |
14159.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].text |
要當事人舉報嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].start |
14159.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].end |
14161.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].text |
還是任何人看到都可以舉發 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].start |
14161.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].end |
14162.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].text |
舉發我們就受理 |
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14162.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].end |
14164.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].text |
所以任何人舉發都受理 |
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14164.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].end |
14165.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].text |
好 |
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14165.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].end |
14166.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].text |
那本席接著問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].start |
14166.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].end |
14167.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].start |
14168.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].end |
14169.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].text |
圖片呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].start |
14169.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].end |
14170.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].text |
一樣 |
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14170.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].end |
14171.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].text |
照片 |
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14171.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].end |
14173.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].text |
只要是語音圖片 |
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14173.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].end |
14176.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].text |
如果有牽涉到身為的這種狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].start |
14176.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].end |
14177.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].text |
應該這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].start |
14177.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].end |
14179.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].text |
或者是不實的這個情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].start |
14179.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].end |
14180.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].text |
我們都會受理 |
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14180.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].end |
14182.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].text |
那圖片照片 |
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14182.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].end |
14183.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].text |
一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].start |
14183.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].end |
14184.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].text |
你說你的照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].start |
14184.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].end |
14185.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].text |
一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].start |
14185.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].end |
14186.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].text |
影音圖片 |
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14186.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].end |
14187.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].text |
或者影帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].start |
14187.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].end |
14189.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].text |
你的照片沒有經過你允許 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].start |
14189.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].end |
14192.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].text |
他們就拿出來公開做一些那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].start |
14192.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].end |
14193.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].text |
一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].start |
14193.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].end |
14195.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].text |
所以任何人都可以舉發嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].start |
14195.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].end |
14196.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].text |
只要是透過身為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].start |
14196.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].end |
14198.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].text |
這個是不實的身為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].start |
14198.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].end |
14199.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].text |
不一定身為你的照片直接 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].start |
14200.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].end |
14201.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].text |
直接在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].start |
14201.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].end |
14203.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].text |
螢幕拍了你的照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].start |
14203.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].end |
14205.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].text |
用你的照片去做任何事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].start |
14205.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].end |
14206.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].text |
我們會監視 |
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14208.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].end |
14209.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].text |
會監視 |
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14210.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].end |
14211.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].text |
會監視 |
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14212.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].end |
14213.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].text |
我跳出來問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].start |
14213.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].end |
14214.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].text |
剛身為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].start |
14214.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].end |
14215.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].text |
就聲音影音 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].start |
14215.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].end |
14217.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].text |
只要不是當事人 |
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14217.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].end |
14218.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].text |
都是違法的 |
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14218.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].end |
14219.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].text |
你剛給我這個答案 |
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14219.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].end |
14220.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].text |
是 |
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14220.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].end |
14221.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].text |
那我現在說 |
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14221.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].end |
14222.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].text |
你的照片 |
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14222.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].end |
14223.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].text |
你看你常常在這邊 |
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14223.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].end |
14224.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].text |
誰都可以拍你 |
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14224.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].end |
14226.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].text |
拍了你的照片之後 |
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14226.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].end |
14227.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].text |
拿你的照片 |
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14227.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].end |
14228.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].text |
沒有經過你同意 |
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14228.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].end |
14229.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].text |
他隨便在網路上 |
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14229.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].end |
14230.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].text |
用你的照片 |
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14230.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].end |
14231.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].text |
不管他講什麼 |
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14231.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].end |
14232.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].text |
有沒有違法 |
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14232.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].end |
14233.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].text |
你去用圖示在那 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].start |
14233.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].end |
14234.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].text |
有沒有違法 |
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14234.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].end |
14235.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].text |
那你的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].start |
14235.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].end |
14236.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].text |
沒經過你的同意 |
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14236.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].end |
14237.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].text |
有沒有 |
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14237.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].end |
14238.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].text |
那你這個照片 |
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14238.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].end |
14239.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].text |
就是直接拍你的照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].start |
14239.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].end |
14240.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].text |
那當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].start |
14240.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].end |
14241.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].text |
這可能有接觸到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].start |
14241.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].end |
14242.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].text |
各自的問題 |
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14242.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].end |
14243.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].text |
有 |
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14243.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].end |
14244.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].text |
那我再問的是 |
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14244.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].end |
14245.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].text |
有沒有違法 |
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14245.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].end |
14246.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].start |
14246.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].end |
14247.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].text |
這個沒有 |
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14247.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].end |
14248.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].text |
可能涉嫌違法 |
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14248.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].end |
14249.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].start |
14249.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].end |
14250.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].text |
也可以告發 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].start |
14250.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].end |
14251.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].text |
可以 |
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14251.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].end |
14252.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].start |
14252.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].end |
14253.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].text |
那請問這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].start |
14253.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].end |
14254.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].text |
有關疑似總統的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].start |
14254.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].end |
14255.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].text |
聲音的部分 |
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14255.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].end |
14256.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].text |
那是總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].start |
14256.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].end |
14257.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].text |
去告發的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].start |
14257.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].end |
14258.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].text |
還是旁邊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].start |
14258.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].end |
14259.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].text |
這個是我們 |
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14259.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].end |
14260.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].text |
街市街道檢舉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].start |
14260.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].end |
14262.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].text |
所以我們當然就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].start |
14262.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].end |
14264.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].text |
啟動這一些的一個調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].start |
14265.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].end |
14266.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].start |
14266.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].end |
14267.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].text |
那請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].start |
14267.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].end |
14269.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].text |
已經移送檢察官了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].start |
14269.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].end |
14270.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].text |
還沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].start |
14270.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].end |
14271.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].text |
還沒移送 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].start |
14271.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].end |
14272.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].text |
進查中 |
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14273.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].end |
14274.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].text |
進查中 |
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14274.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].end |
14275.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].text |
報警指揮檢察官 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].start |
14275.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].end |
14276.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].text |
進查中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].start |
14276.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].end |
14277.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].text |
還在進查中 |
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14277.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].end |
14278.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].start |
14279.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].end |
14280.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].text |
通常要移送 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].start |
14280.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].end |
14281.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].text |
就是確定違法嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].start |
14282.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].end |
14283.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].start |
14283.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].end |
14284.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].text |
就是有可能犯罪的嫌疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].start |
14284.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].end |
14286.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].text |
那我們才會把整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].start |
14286.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].end |
14288.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].text |
相關的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].start |
14288.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].end |
14289.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].text |
或物證 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].start |
14289.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].end |
14290.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].text |
蒐證 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].start |
14290.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].end |
14291.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].text |
完整 |
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14291.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].end |
14292.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].text |
就是調查清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].start |
14292.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].end |
14293.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].text |
再做移送 |
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14293.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].end |
14294.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].text |
那現在 |
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14294.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].end |
14295.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].text |
你們什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].start |
14295.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].end |
14296.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].text |
接到報案 |
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14297.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].end |
14299.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].text |
發佈後多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].start |
14300.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].end |
14301.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].text |
25號 |
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14301.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].end |
14302.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].start |
14302.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].end |
14303.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].text |
沒有吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].start |
14303.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].end |
14304.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].text |
25號 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].start |
14304.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].end |
14305.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].text |
就是禮拜六 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].start |
14305.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].end |
14306.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].text |
你是當天喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].start |
14306.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].end |
14307.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].text |
725當天 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].start |
14307.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].end |
14308.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].text |
禮拜六 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].start |
14308.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].end |
14309.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].text |
當天早上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].start |
14309.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].end |
14310.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].text |
接到報案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].start |
14310.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].end |
14311.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].text |
這可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].start |
14311.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].end |
14312.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].text |
行政局才今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].start |
14312.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].end |
14313.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].text |
案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].start |
14313.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].end |
14314.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].text |
他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].start |
14314.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].end |
14315.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].text |
什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].start |
14315.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].end |
14316.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].text |
中午 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].start |
14316.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].end |
14317.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].text |
中午 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].start |
14317.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].end |
14318.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].text |
接到報案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].start |
14318.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].end |
14319.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].text |
你們速度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].start |
14319.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].end |
14320.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].text |
蠻快的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].start |
14320.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].end |
14321.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].text |
一個小時內 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].start |
14321.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].end |
14322.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].text |
就去找人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].start |
14321.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].end |
14322.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].text |
沒有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].start |
14322.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].end |
14323.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].text |
大概到下午 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].start |
14323.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].end |
14324.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].text |
還是一點多去找他嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].start |
14324.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].end |
14325.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].start |
14325.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].end |
14326.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].text |
大概三四點的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].start |
14326.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].end |
14327.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].text |
三四點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].start |
14327.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].end |
14328.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].text |
那請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].start |
14328.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].end |
14329.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].text |
這個情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].start |
14331.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].end |
14333.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].text |
是不是適用在所有案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].start |
14333.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].end |
14334.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].text |
還是只有總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].start |
14334.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].end |
14335.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].text |
所有案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].start |
14335.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].end |
14336.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].text |
那所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].start |
14336.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].end |
14338.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].text |
所以今年年底是選戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].start |
14338.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].end |
14339.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].text |
我想大家都很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].start |
14339.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].end |
14340.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].start |
14340.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].end |
14341.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].start |
14341.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].end |
14342.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].start |
14342.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].end |
14343.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].text |
所以選戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].start |
14343.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].end |
14345.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].text |
有類似的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].start |
14345.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].end |
14346.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].text |
你們警察都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].start |
14346.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].end |
14348.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].text |
同一致的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].start |
14348.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].end |
14349.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].text |
一致的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].start |
14349.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].end |
14350.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].start |
14350.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].end |
14351.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].text |
然後速度也一樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].start |
14351.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].end |
14352.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].text |
一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].start |
14352.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].end |
14353.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].text |
我要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].start |
14353.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].end |
14354.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].text |
我要特別提醒一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].start |
14354.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].end |
14355.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].text |
因為這樣有兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].start |
14355.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].end |
14358.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].text |
如果是在選舉期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].start |
14358.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].end |
14360.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].text |
是屬於候選人後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].start |
14360.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].end |
14361.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].text |
的這種狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].start |
14361.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].end |
14363.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].text |
在選大法是有規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].start |
14363.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].end |
14364.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].text |
是適用這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].start |
14364.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].end |
14365.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].text |
申委的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].start |
14365.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].end |
14366.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].text |
使人不當選 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].start |
14366.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].end |
14369.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].text |
是適用選法法的這個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].start |
14369.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].end |
14371.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].text |
這個候選人可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].start |
14371.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].end |
14373.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].text |
跟我們來報案申請鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].start |
14375.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].end |
14376.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].text |
候選人可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].start |
14376.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].end |
14377.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].text |
你那個是選法法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].start |
14377.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].end |
14378.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].start |
14378.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].end |
14379.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].text |
任何人可不可以舉法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].start |
14379.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].end |
14380.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].text |
因為你剛才 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].start |
14380.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].end |
14381.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].text |
可以啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].start |
14381.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].end |
14382.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].text |
可以舉法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].start |
14382.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].end |
14383.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].text |
只要他發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].start |
14383.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].end |
14384.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].text |
怎麼跟我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].start |
14384.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].end |
14385.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].text |
劉部長的聲音很像 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].start |
14385.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].end |
14386.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].text |
我聽到我就舉法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].start |
14386.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].end |
14387.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].text |
可以舉法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].start |
14387.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].end |
14388.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].text |
可以舉法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].start |
14388.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].end |
14389.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].text |
隨時可以舉法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].start |
14389.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].end |
14391.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].text |
然後你們也會用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].start |
14391.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].end |
14392.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].text |
一致的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].start |
14392.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].end |
14393.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].text |
標準是相同 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].start |
14393.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].end |
14394.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].text |
那如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].start |
14394.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].end |
14396.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].text |
是屬於公訴範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].start |
14396.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].end |
14397.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].text |
我們當然是會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].start |
14397.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].end |
14399.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].text |
依法來做政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].start |
14399.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].end |
14400.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].text |
如果是屬於 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].start |
14400.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].end |
14401.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5521].text |
告訴哪一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].start |
14401.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].end |
14402.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].text |
我們會依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].start |
14402.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].end |
14404.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].text |
這個當事人來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].start |
14404.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].end |
14405.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].text |
做告發狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].start |
14405.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].end |
14406.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].text |
來做一個偵辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].start |
14406.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].end |
14407.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].text |
好所以只要有人舉法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].start |
14407.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].end |
14409.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].text |
你們警察就會出動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].start |
14409.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].end |
14410.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].text |
是一定出動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].start |
14410.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].end |
14411.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].text |
是一定出動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].start |
14411.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].end |
14412.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].text |
一定會出動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].start |
14412.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].end |
14413.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].text |
是一定出動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].start |
14413.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].end |
14414.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].text |
那請問這一次出動以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].start |
14416.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].end |
14417.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].text |
了解的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].start |
14419.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].end |
14421.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].text |
因為現在已經在偵查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].start |
14421.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].end |
14422.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].text |
當然我也有提 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].start |
14422.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].end |
14424.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].text |
就是案件來做調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].start |
14424.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].end |
14425.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].text |
裡面的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].start |
14425.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].end |
14427.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].text |
就不便在這裡做公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].start |
14427.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].end |
14428.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].start |
14428.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].end |
14430.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].text |
那所以我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].start |
14430.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].end |
14433.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].text |
這個你們在報告中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].start |
14433.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].end |
14434.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].text |
也有特別寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].start |
14435.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].end |
14438.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].text |
一定堅守行政中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].start |
14438.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].end |
14440.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].text |
一定堅守行政中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].start |
14440.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].end |
14442.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].text |
而且是依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].start |
14442.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].end |
14444.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].text |
但是我們也希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].start |
14445.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].end |
14448.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].text |
這個你剛剛講只要是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].start |
14450.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].end |
14451.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].text |
比如說你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].start |
14451.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].end |
14452.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].text |
歧視警察局的見識 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].start |
14452.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].end |
14453.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].text |
已經出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].start |
14455.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].end |
14456.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].text |
所以他那個算嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].start |
14456.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].end |
14457.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].text |
他有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].start |
14457.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].end |
14458.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].text |
這個就不便在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].start |
14458.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].end |
14459.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].text |
也不能在這邊講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].start |
14462.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].end |
14464.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].text |
那我們不希望小老百姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].start |
14464.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].end |
14466.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].text |
應該這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].start |
14466.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].end |
14467.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].text |
我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].start |
14467.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].end |
14469.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].text |
我們法令我們都認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].start |
14469.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].end |
14471.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].text |
但是是不是也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].start |
14471.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].end |
14473.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].text |
稍微對於政治上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].start |
14473.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].end |
14475.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].text |
因為政治常常有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].start |
14475.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].end |
14477.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].text |
不管模仿或什麼的這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].start |
14479.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].end |
14481.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].text |
這個部分我們也不希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].start |
14481.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].end |
14482.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].text |
因為是總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].start |
14482.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].end |
14483.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].start |
14483.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].end |
14484.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].text |
我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].start |
14484.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].end |
14486.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].text |
年輕人或小老百姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].start |
14486.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].end |
14487.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].text |
他的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].start |
14489.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].end |
14493.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].text |
行為這個受到這個不當的壓迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].start |
14494.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].end |
14497.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].text |
不過我們一定是尊重言論自由跟創造 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].start |
14497.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].end |
14499.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].text |
好所以你們反正 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].start |
14499.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].end |
14500.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].text |
真的不公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].start |
14500.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].end |
14502.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].text |
什麼都不能講就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].start |
14502.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].end |
14503.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].text |
裡面的私人內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].start |
14503.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].end |
14506.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].text |
就不能在這裡做公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].start |
14506.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].end |
14508.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].text |
那我們請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].start |
14509.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].end |
14511.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].text |
偽造文書的界線 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].start |
14512.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].end |
14514.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].text |
不能只說聲音很像 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].start |
14514.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].end |
14516.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].text |
這個判定是怎麼判定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].start |
14516.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].end |
14517.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].text |
那這法律有做規範的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].start |
14517.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].end |
14519.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].text |
就是對於偽造騙照 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].start |
14519.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].end |
14522.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].text |
那有關這個聲音也是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].start |
14522.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].end |
14525.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].text |
這些的一個相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].start |
14525.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].end |
14526.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].text |
也是屬於 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].start |
14527.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].end |
14529.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].text |
也就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].start |
14529.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].end |
14531.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].text |
詩文書的一個一環 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].start |
14531.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].end |
14532.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].start |
14532.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].end |
14534.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].text |
那我剛特別強調的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].start |
14535.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].end |
14536.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].text |
呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].start |
14536.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].end |
14538.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].text |
有人檢舉警方依法受理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].start |
14538.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].end |
14541.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].text |
那這個我們完全可以理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].start |
14541.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].end |
14544.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].text |
但是政治言論案件和一般的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].start |
14544.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].end |
14547.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].text |
這個詐欺暴力不太一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].start |
14547.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].end |
14549.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].text |
警察介入的本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].start |
14549.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].end |
14552.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].text |
就可能造成了寒蟬效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].start |
14552.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].end |
14554.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].text |
所以請問警政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].start |
14554.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].end |
14556.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].text |
你現行有沒有一套針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].start |
14556.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].end |
14557.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].text |
政治言論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].start |
14557.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].end |
14559.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].text |
新聞或諷刺創作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].start |
14559.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].end |
14563.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].text |
AI合成內容案件的標準程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].start |
14563.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].end |
14564.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].start |
14564.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].end |
14565.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].text |
我想大概就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].start |
14565.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].end |
14567.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].text |
委員所提的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].start |
14567.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].end |
14569.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].text |
言論自由 創造 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].start |
14569.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].end |
14571.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].text |
那這個顯然看起來就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].start |
14571.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].end |
14573.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].text |
這個是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].start |
14573.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].end |
14574.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].text |
可能是一個創造 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].start |
14574.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].end |
14575.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].text |
是一個諷刺型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].start |
14575.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].end |
14577.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].text |
或是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].start |
14577.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].end |
14579.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].text |
一個就是動畫型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].start |
14579.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].end |
14580.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].text |
一般名正 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].start |
14581.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].end |
14582.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].text |
這就 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].start |
14582.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].end |
14583.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].text |
看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].start |
14583.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].end |
14585.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].text |
這是很 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].start |
14585.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].end |
14586.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].text |
不是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].start |
14586.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].end |
14588.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].text |
不是一個類似身份的這種情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].start |
14588.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].end |
14590.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].text |
那我們講大概就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].start |
14590.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].end |
14592.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].text |
大概就是屬於 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].start |
14592.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].end |
14593.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].start |
14593.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].end |
14595.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].text |
委員所提的大概就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].start |
14595.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].end |
14596.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].start |
14596.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].end |
14598.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].text |
那像這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].start |
14600.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].end |
14601.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].text |
沒有這樣的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].start |
14601.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].end |
14602.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].start |
14602.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].end |
14604.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].text |
只有言語上的這一些的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].start |
14604.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].end |
14605.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].text |
這個相關的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].start |
14605.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].end |
14607.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].text |
那可能牽涉到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].start |
14607.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].end |
14609.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].text |
這個與 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].start |
14609.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].end |
14611.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].text |
與聲音的特定的這個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].start |
14611.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].end |
14612.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].text |
如果有身為情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].start |
14612.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].end |
14615.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].text |
可能就是有可能會牽涉到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].start |
14615.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].end |
14617.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].text |
預約法律的這個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].start |
14617.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].end |
14618.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].text |
我想再追問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].start |
14618.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].end |
14622.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].text |
對於高度敏感的政治言論案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].start |
14622.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].end |
14624.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].text |
那你有沒有比一般案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].start |
14624.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].end |
14626.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].text |
更嚴格的比例原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].start |
14626.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].end |
14628.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].text |
和政治中立的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].start |
14628.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].end |
14629.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].text |
你警察 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].start |
14629.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].end |
14632.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].text |
我們應該都是會依法來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].start |
14632.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].end |
14633.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].text |
做查處 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].start |
14633.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].end |
14636.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].text |
你如果沒有搜索票 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].start |
14636.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].end |
14637.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].text |
因為我那天沒有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].start |
14637.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].end |
14638.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].text |
都沒有做搜索 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].start |
14638.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].end |
14639.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].text |
沒有搜索 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].start |
14639.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].end |
14641.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].text |
只是在查證說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].start |
14641.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].end |
14642.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].start |
14642.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].end |
14643.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].text |
沒有搜索票 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].start |
14643.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].end |
14645.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].text |
也沒有下架的命令 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].start |
14645.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].end |
14649.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].text |
也沒有明確的犯罪事證 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].start |
14649.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].end |
14651.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].text |
那警察就適合到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].start |
14651.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].end |
14653.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].text |
創作者的住處來詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].start |
14653.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].end |
14655.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].text |
是否願意下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].start |
14655.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].end |
14657.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].text |
我稍微說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].start |
14657.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].end |
14659.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].text |
就是說這一些的這個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].start |
14659.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].end |
14661.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].text |
國內有一些可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].start |
14661.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].end |
14662.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].text |
我們受理到這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].start |
14662.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].end |
14665.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].text |
很多大概都是從境外來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].start |
14665.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].end |
14667.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].text |
就是這個帳號是從境外來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].start |
14667.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].end |
14669.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].text |
那境外的狀況在查集上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].start |
14669.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].end |
14671.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].text |
就是有一些困難度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].start |
14671.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].end |
14673.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].text |
那這個我們發現是境內 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].start |
14673.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].end |
14674.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].text |
我們也發現說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].start |
14674.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].end |
14677.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].text |
這個帳號是不是會被冒用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].start |
14677.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].end |
14678.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].text |
我們在查證會被冒用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].start |
14678.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].end |
14680.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].text |
或這些影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].start |
14680.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].end |
14682.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].text |
先做這樣的查訪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].start |
14682.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].end |
14684.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].text |
所以所採取的動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].start |
14684.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].end |
14686.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].text |
都沒有強制的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].start |
14686.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].end |
14688.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].text |
都沒有強制的這種作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].start |
14688.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].end |
14690.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].text |
但是你警察出動這個對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].start |
14690.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].end |
14691.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].text |
你知道對一般人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].start |
14691.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].end |
14693.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].text |
這就那種感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].start |
14693.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].end |
14694.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].text |
我希望就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].start |
14694.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].end |
14695.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].text |
好沒關係因為時間關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].start |
14695.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].end |
14696.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].text |
完成這個查訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].start |
14696.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].end |
14697.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].text |
但是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].start |
14698.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].end |
14701.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].text |
請警政署是不是可以在一個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].start |
14701.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].end |
14703.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].text |
提出書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].start |
14703.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].end |
14705.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].text |
來說明第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].start |
14705.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].end |
14708.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].text |
本案受理檢舉的法律依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].start |
14708.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].end |
14709.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].start |
14709.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].end |
14712.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].text |
初步認定可能涉及何種犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].start |
14712.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].end |
14713.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].text |
第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].start |
14713.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].end |
14716.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].text |
為何採取到住所查訪的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].start |
14716.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].end |
14717.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].text |
第四個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].start |
14717.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].end |
14720.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].text |
是否曾詢問或建議下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].start |
14720.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].end |
14721.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].text |
第五個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].start |
14721.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].end |
14724.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].text |
誰做成這項決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].start |
14725.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].end |
14726.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].text |
第六個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].start |
14726.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].end |
14728.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].text |
有無檢察官指揮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].start |
14728.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].end |
14730.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].text |
但最重要第七個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].start |
14730.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].end |
14732.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].text |
未來如何避免政治言論案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].start |
14732.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].end |
14735.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].text |
產生選擇性執法的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].start |
14735.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].end |
14736.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].start |
14736.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].end |
14737.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].text |
好沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].start |
14737.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].end |
14738.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].text |
那就再麻煩你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].start |
14738.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].end |
14739.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].start |
14744.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].end |
14747.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].text |
登記質詢委員除不在場者外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].start |
14747.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].end |
14749.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].text |
其餘軍已質詢完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].start |
14749.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].end |
14750.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].text |
詢答結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].start |
14750.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].end |
14752.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].text |
委員王美慧 張志倫 高進素梅 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].start |
14752.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].end |
14754.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].text |
吳宗憲 林德福 徐興盈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].start |
14754.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].end |
14756.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].text |
所提書面質詢列入記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].start |
14756.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].end |
14758.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].text |
刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].start |
14758.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].end |
14760.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].text |
書面質詢和未及答覆部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].start |
14760.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].end |
14763.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].text |
請相關單位於一周內以書面答覆並複製本會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].start |
14763.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].end |
14764.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].text |
本次議程處理完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].start |
14764.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].end |
14765.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].text |
現在散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].start |
14773.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].end |
14775.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].text |
不要讓他對他不公平 |