| IVOD_ID |
17625 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17625 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
23 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-29T08:33:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-29T12:34:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:00:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dba76b52104d1e2e9c46ad401590e939d7b5b204f4a37948b96db0fd26db76c1fa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第23次全體委員會議（事由：一、 繼續併案審查：
(一) 本院委員呂玉玲等16人擬具「農業發展條例第六十條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員楊瓊瓔等25人擬具「農業發展條例第六十條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員邱志偉等21人擬具「農業發展條例第六十條條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員邱志偉等21人擬具「農業發展條例增訂第六十五條之一條文草案」案。
(五) 本院委員邱鎮軍等20人擬具「農業發展條例第三條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 本院委員陳超明等16人擬具「農業發展條例第六十條條文修正草案」案。
(七) 本院委員劉建國等18人擬具「農業發展條例第二條條文修正草案」案。
(八) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「農業發展條例第十條之一及第六十九條條文修正草案」案。(處理)
二、 繼續併案審查：
(一) 本院委員萬美玲等17人擬具「水土保持法第二條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員林岱樺等18人擬具「水土保持法第二條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員林倩綺等16人擬具「水土保持法第三十三條條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「水土保持法第二十三條、第三十二條及第三十三條條文修正草案」案。(處理)
三、 繼續併案審查：
(一) 本院委員謝衣鳯等17人擬具「山坡地保育利用條例第二條條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員萬美玲等17人擬具「山坡地保育利用條例第二條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員徐富癸等17人擬具「山坡地保育利用條例第十五條條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員羅智強等16人擬具「山坡地保育利用條例第十五條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員林岱樺等18人擬具「山坡地保育利用條例第二條條文修正草案」案。
(六) 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「山坡地保育利用條例第二條及第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
(七) 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「山坡地保育利用條例第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
(八) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「山坡地保育利用條例第十條、第三十四條及第三十五條條文修正草案」案。(處理)
【7月29日及7月30日二天一次會】） |
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1926.53 |
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1929.41 |
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好 我們現在開會 請逐密報告出席人數 |
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1929.85 |
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1932.33 |
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報告委員會 出席委員務人員已阻法盡人數 |
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1933.48 |
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1935.8 |
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那我們現在開會進行報告事項 |
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1935.8 |
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1938.16 |
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請宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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1939.22 |
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1943.34 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會籍經濟委員會第二十二次全體委員會議事錄 |
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1943.34 |
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1945.98 |
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時間115年7月22日星期三 |
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1945.98 |
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1947.9 |
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9時至10時48分 |
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1947.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
1949.58 |
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地點紅樓101會議室 |
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1949.58 |
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1951.38 |
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出席人數 邱一營等14人 |
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1951.93 |
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1953.85 |
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業習人員劉書斌等10人 |
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1953.85 |
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1955.85 |
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業習人員經濟部部長公明星等 |
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1955.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
1957.53 |
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主席 召集委員邱志偉 |
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1957.53 |
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1958.17 |
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報告事項 |
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1958.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
1959.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
宣讀上次會議事錄 |
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1959.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
1960.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
決定 確定 |
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1960.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
1961.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
團事項 |
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1961.29 |
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1962.65 |
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1.繼續審查 |
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1962.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
1964.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
1.本問委員賴岳永等17人 |
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1964.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
1965.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
委員蔡吉昌等19人 |
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1965.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
1967.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
委員張家斌等20人 |
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1967.53 |
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1971.41 |
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分別擬具能源管理法部門條件修正草案等3案 |
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1971.41 |
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1973.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
2.本問委員邱營等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
1973.77 |
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1976.05 |
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能源管理法第7條條件修正草案 |
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1976.05 |
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1979.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
3.本問委員邱一營等17人擬具 |
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1979.01 |
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1981.53 |
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能源管理法增訂第19條之2 |
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1981.57 |
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1983.25 |
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之2及第27條之1 |
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1983.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
1985.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
天安法案 |
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1985.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
1985.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
二審查 本 |
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1986.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
1989.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
事本願行政院函情審議 |
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1989.64 |
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1991.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
能源管理法部份條件修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
1992.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
1994.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
本問委員鄭天才等17人 |
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1994.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
1995.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
委員徐心瑩等16人 |
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1995.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
1997.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
委員楊雄英等23人 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
1997.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
1998.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
委員陳庭菲等20人 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
1998.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2000.54 |
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委員邱志偉等16人 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2000.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2003.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
分別擬具能源管理法部份條件修正草案等5案 |
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2004.21 |
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2006.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
6.本問委員郭國安等16人擬具 |
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2006.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2008.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
能源管理法增訂第19條之2 |
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2008.33 |
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2010.53 |
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及第27條之1條件草案 |
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2010.53 |
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2012.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
7.本問委員鄭天才等16人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2012.93 |
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2015.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
能源管理法第2條條件修正草案 |
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2015.21 |
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2016.77 |
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談事項合并詢答 |
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2016.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2018.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
經濟部部長龔明星報告後 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2018.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2020.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
委員邱一營等10人提出質詢 |
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2020.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2023.25 |
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就由經濟部部長龔明星等及其答覆 |
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2023.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2024.93 |
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登記發文委員除不在場者外 |
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2024.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2026.85 |
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均以均以發言完畢詢答結束 |
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2026.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2028.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
委員謝一鳳 傅坤琦 蔡依宜 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2028.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2030.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
張家俊及賴榮 |
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2030.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2031.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
所提順利執行列入紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2031.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2032.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
刊登通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2033.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2035.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
書面質詢和未及答覆部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2035.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2036.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
請相關單位於一週內 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2036.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2037.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
以書面答覆並複製本會 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2037.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2039.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
為沒有要求期限者從即鎖定 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2041.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2042.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
詢答結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2042.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2043.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
以上更安靜命定級繼續審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2043.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2044.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
散會 宣布完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2045.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2047.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
好 請問各位同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2047.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2048.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
上次會議事務有錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
2049.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2051.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
沒有錯 議事入確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
2051.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2053.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
繼續進行討論事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
2053.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2054.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
請一邊宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
2066.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2068.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
本運委員邱志偉等21人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
2068.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2069.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
能源發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
2069.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2071.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
增訂第65條之一調研草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
2071.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
2073.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
3 本運委員邱政軍等20人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
2073.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
2074.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
能源發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
2074.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
2076.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
第3條調研修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
2076.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
2078.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
4 本運委員劉建國等18人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
2078.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
2079.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
能源發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
2079.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
2081.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
第2條調研修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
2081.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
2083.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
5 本運安民政黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
2083.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
2084.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
能源發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
2084.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
2087.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
第10條之一及第69條調研修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
2087.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
2088.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
2 繼續並按審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
2088.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
2090.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
1 本運委員萬美齡等17人 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
2090.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
2092.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
為林黛樺等18人分別擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
2092.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2093.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
隨圖保持法 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
2093.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
2095.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
第2條調研修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
2095.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2095.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
等月案 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
2096.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2098.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
本運委員林建吉等16人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
2098.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
2101.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
隨圖保持法第33條調研修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2101.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2103.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
3 本運臺灣民眾黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
2103.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2105.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
隨圖保持法第23條第32條 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
2105.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2107.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
及第33條調研修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
2107.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
2108.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
3 繼續並按審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
2108.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
2110.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
1 本運委員謝一鳳等17人 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
2110.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2112.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
委員萬美齡等17人 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2112.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2114.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
委員林大漢等18人分別擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
2114.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2116.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
三部地保育利用條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2116.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2118.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
第2條調研修正草案等3案 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2118.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2120.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
2 本運委員徐富貴等17人 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2120.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2122.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
委員羅志強等16人分別擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
2122.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2123.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
三部地保育利用條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2123.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2126.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
第15條調研修正草案等2案 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2126.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2128.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
本運委員鄭天才等17人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
2128.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
2130.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
三部地保育利用條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
2130.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
2133.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
第2條及第37條調研修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
2133.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
2135.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
4 本運委員鄭天才等17人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
2135.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
2136.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
三部地保育利用條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
2136.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
2138.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
第37條調研修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
2138.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
2140.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
5 本運臺灣民眾黨黨團擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
2140.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
2141.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
三部地保育利用條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
2141.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
2144.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
第10條、第34條及第35條 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
2144.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
2145.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
調研修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
2145.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
2146.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
宣布完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
2147.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
2149.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
好在場的介紹一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
2149.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
2151.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
我們有這個呂一林委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
2152.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
2153.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
然後陳廷飛委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
2154.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
2156.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
初期的機關首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
2156.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
2159.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
首先農業部部長陳俊濟陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
2160.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
2163.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
農村發展水流保存署署長陳靜遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
2164.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
2165.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
農糧署副署長陳啟龍 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
2166.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
2169.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
農業級自然保衛署副署長廖一光 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
2170.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
2172.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
農業金融署副署長施捏田 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
2173.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
2176.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
農田水利署主任秘書朱孝恩 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
2177.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
2179.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
經濟部南院署副署長陳崇憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
2181.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
2183.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
水利署副總工人是王國良 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
2185.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
2187.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
電子調查匡位管理中心主長王偉光 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
2189.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
2192.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
台灣自然所公司財務處處長白榮譽 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
2193.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
2196.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
原住民族委員會土地管理處處長謝亞傑 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
2197.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
2199.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
內政部國土管理署一見管理組 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
2199.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
2200.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
檢認證供盤是真一拳 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
2201.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
2203.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
消防署專委陳建南 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
2204.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
2207.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
財政部國有財產署科長王永泰 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
2209 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
2212.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
交通部陸政籍大致是簡政黃順興 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
2213.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
2216.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
環境部環境委員署主長徐建雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
2216.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
2218.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
法務部參事料將限 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
2221.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
2225.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
本日議程所列討論事項三個法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
2225.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
2227.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
分別為農業發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
2227.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
2231.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
收土保持法及山坡地保育利用條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
2231.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
2233.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
部分條文相關修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
2233.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
2238.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
均以本會期5月6日巡達結束局宣讀條文完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
2238.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
2240.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
今日繼續進行審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
2240.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
2242.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
依慣例就不進行廣泛討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
2242.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
2244.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
直接進行逐條討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
2245.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
2248.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
請先宣讀今日新提出之修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
2254.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
2256.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
水土保持法 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
2256.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
2259.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
臺灣民眾黨團提案水土保持法 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
2260.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
2263.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
委員洪育祥等三人提案水土保持法 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
2263.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
2268.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
第23條第32條第33條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
2268.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
2272.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
第23條除第3項 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
2273.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
2274.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
因案 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
2275.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
2276.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
連續處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
2277.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
2280 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
改成因案次連續處罰外 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
2280 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
2282.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
於同臺灣民眾黨團提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
2283.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
2284.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
第4項 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
2286.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
2292.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
第4項修正為以完工道路或設施支養戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
2292.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
2294.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
準用第一項及第二項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
2294.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
2296.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
第32條 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
2297.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
2299.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
第一項罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
2301.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
2304.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
為併科新臺幣200萬元以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
2304.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
2306.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
2500萬元以下罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
2306.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
2310.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
於同臺灣民眾黨團提案第32條第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
2311.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
2314.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
第二項修正為處以第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
2315.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
2317.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
具中處一年以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
2317.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
2319.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
修正為處一年以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
2319.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
2320.94 |
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七年以下有期徒刑 |
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2320.94 |
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2323.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
得併科新臺幣6000萬元以下罰金 |
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2323.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
2326.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
因而致人於死者處五期徒刑 |
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2326.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
2328.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
或七年以上有期徒刑 |
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2328.3 |
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2331.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
得併科新臺幣1億元以下罰金 |
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2331.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
2333.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
致重傷者處三年以上 |
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2333.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
2334.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
十年以下有期徒刑 |
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2334.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
2337.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
得併科新臺幣8000萬元以下罰金 |
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2338.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
2339.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
於同 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
2340.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
2343.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
臺灣民眾黨團提案第32條 |
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2343.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
2345.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
第33條 |
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2345.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
2346.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
除第 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
2348.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
2350.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
除第二項 |
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2378.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
2382.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
應由經營人使用人或所有人負擔 |
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2382.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
2383.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
於同 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
2384.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
2387.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
民眾黨團提案第33條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
2389.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
2390.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
農業發展條例 |
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2390.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
2393.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
洪運祥委員等三人 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
2393.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
2398.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
針對農業發展條例第69條修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
2398.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
2401.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
除第三項修正為 |
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2401.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
2404.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
違反第10條之一第二項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
2404.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
2407.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
擅自於農業用地推支 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
2408.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
2412.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
填埋或回填沙石磚瓦 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
2412.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
2414.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
混泥土塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
2414.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
2416.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
營建剩餘土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
2416.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
2421.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
廢棄物或其他不適合種植農作物資物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
2421.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
2426.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
或非天然原土或適合農作之有機質改 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
2426.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
2428.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
土糧土者 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
2428.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
2430.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
處新臺幣六十萬元以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
2430.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
2433.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
三百萬元以下罰原 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
2433.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
2435.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
沒入其施工器具 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
2435.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
2439.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
並應限其令其清除改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
2439.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
2441.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
並恢復原狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
2441.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
2443.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
藉其為改正完成者 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
2443.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
2444.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
因暗次連續處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
2444.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
2446.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
至其恢復原狀為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
2446.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
2448.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
並由直轄縣市主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
2448.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
2450.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
代為恢復原狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
2450.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
2452.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
其費用由行為人負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
2455.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
2457.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
何育祥本人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
2457.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
2461.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
三波土地利用條例第34條第35條 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
2461.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
2462.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
條文修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
2464.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
2467.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
第34條違反第10條規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
2467.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
2468.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
處新 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
2468.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
2469.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
處六個月以上 |
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2469.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
2470.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
五年以下有期徒刑 |
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2470.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
2473.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
得併科新臺幣兩百萬元以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
2473.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
2474.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
兩千五百萬元以下罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
2475.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
2476.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
前項情形 |
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2476.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
2478.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
致釀成災害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
2478.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
2479.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
處一年以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
2479.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
2481.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
七年以下有期徒刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
2481.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
2484.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
得併科新臺幣六千萬元以上罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
2484.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
2486.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
因而致人於死者 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
2486.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
2487.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
處無期徒刑 |
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2487.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
2489.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
或七年以上有期徒刑 |
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2489.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
2492.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
得併科新臺幣一億元以下罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
2492.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
2493.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
致重傷者 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
2493.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
2494.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
處三年以上 |
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2494.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
2495.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
十年以下有期徒刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
2495.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
2498.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
得併科新臺幣八千萬元以下罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
2498.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
2499.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
因過失 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
2499.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
2501.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
犯第一項之罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
2501.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
2502.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
致釀成災害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
2502.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
2504.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
處一年以下有期徒刑 |
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2504.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
2507.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
得併科新臺幣一百萬元以下罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
2507.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
2510.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
第一項未遂犯罰資 |
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2510.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
2511.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
本條 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
2511.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
2513.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
犯本條之罪者 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
2513.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
2517.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
其肯職務工作物施工材 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
2517.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
2519.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
材料及所使用之機具 |
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2519.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
2522.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
不問屬於犯罪行為人與否 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
2522.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
2523.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
沒收之 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
2523.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
2525.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
第35條 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
2526.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
2528.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
除第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
2529.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
2531.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
前項各款情形之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
2531.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
2533.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
兼限其改正而不改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
2533.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
2536.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
或未依改正事項改正者 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
2536.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
2537.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
得按次分別處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
2537.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
2539.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
至改正為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
2539.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
2541.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
並得令其提供 |
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2541.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
2545.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
並沒入其設施及所使用之機具 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
2545.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
2546.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
並強制拆除 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
2546.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
2549.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
並清除其工作物所需費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
2549.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
2550.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
除為經同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
2550.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
2551.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
擅自開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
2551.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
2553.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
經營使用者 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
2553.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
2555.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
由行為人負擔外 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
2555.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
2557.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
應由經營人使用人 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
2557.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
2560.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
或所有人負擔之 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
2560.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
2562.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
於同臺灣民眾黨團提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
2563.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
2564.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
2567.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
2569.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
我們現在協商討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
2569.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
2571.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
事項與有關農業發展條例部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
2571.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
2574.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
條文相關修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
2574.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
2576.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
共有八個提案的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
2580.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
2583.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
與本次會一併審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
2583.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
2586.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
我們先從第二條開始協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
2586.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
2588.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
先請農業部說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
2597.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
2597.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
主席各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
2597.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
2598.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
第二條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
2598.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
2601.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
是將原來的農業委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
2601.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
2602.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
會改成農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
2602.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
2604.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
我們同意委員的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
2606.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
2607.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
我們審查結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
2609.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
2609.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
2610.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
2612.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
交案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
2613.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
2615.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
接下來我們進行第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
2617.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
2619.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
第三條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
2619.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
2621.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
是針對有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
2621.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
2622.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
委員所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
2622.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
2624.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
天然災害的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
2624.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
2626.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
在農業發展條例的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
2626.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
2628.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
農業部的立場是 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
2628.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
2630.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
因為天然災害的種類在 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
2630.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
2632.62 |
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災防 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
2631.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
2634.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
災害防救法已經有明確的一個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
2634.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
2636.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
並沒有必要重複的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
2636.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
2638.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
而且在重複的規定的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
2638.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
2640.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
在司法性會有一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
2640.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
2642.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
第二個部分就是委員所關切的 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
2642.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
2644.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
後續的相併從害的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
2646.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
2647.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
影響的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
2647.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
2650.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
那事實上在天然災害救助辦法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
2650.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
2652.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
如果說病狀害是屬於 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
2652.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
2654.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
因為天后異常引起 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
2654.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
2656.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
全面性普遍性跟一致性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
2656.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
2657.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
損失的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
2657.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
2659.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
那我們可以在天然災害裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
2659.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
2662.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
用專案認定的方式來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
2662.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
2664.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
所以也建議不予修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
2664.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
2666.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
那至於說野生動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
2666.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
2668.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
危害的種類 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
2668.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
2670.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
也把它納入定義的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
2673.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
2675.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
上次我在委員會也報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
2675.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
2677.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
針對動物的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
2677.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
2679.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
這些危害的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
2679.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
2681.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
我們已經進行好 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
2681.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
2683.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
相關的可能的一些規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
2683.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
2685.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
那我在這邊跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
2685.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
2687.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
就是我們立法完了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
2687.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
2689.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
一定要可執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
2689.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
2691.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
那現在的侯害 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
2691.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
2693.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
最主要大家所關注的侯害的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
2693.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
2695.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
那這兩個月來 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
2695.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
2697.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
我們還在找一個新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
2697.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
2699.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
有沒有更好的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
2699.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
2701.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
因為當你沒有辦法去計算 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
2701.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
2703.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
那如果說有些損失的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
2703.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
2705.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
還有它的一致性跟普遍性的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
2705.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
2707.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
那很難 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
2707.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
2709.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
去因為法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
2709.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
2711.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
要求而去做一個落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
2711.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
2713.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
那這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
2713.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
2715.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
我們是建議說先不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
2715.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
2717.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
2717.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
2719.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
因為相關的野生動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
2719.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
2721.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
在清洗這個農田的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
2721.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
2723.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
它的樣態非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
2723.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
2725.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
那它的樣態也必定是單一因子 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
2725.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
2727.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
那等到我們真正的 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
2727.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
2729.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
跟外界 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
2729.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
2731.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
跟農民討論完 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
2731.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
2733.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
如果有適當的一個機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
2733.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
2735.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
我想我們也會用天然災害救助辦法裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
2735.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
2737.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
相關的一個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
2737.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
2739.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
來做辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
2739.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
2741.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
這是第三條的一個回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
2745.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
2747.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
第三條我們看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
2747.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
2749.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
跟原條文差別是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
2749.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
2751.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
第十九款 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
2751.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
2753.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
2753.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
2755.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
第十九款只有講到 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
2755.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
2757.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
你剛剛有回應的部分好像有超出我們這個修正範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
2759.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
2761.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
這裡面沒講到受害啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
2761.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
2763.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
這裡講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
2763.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
2765.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
他們有的在第六十條也有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
2765.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
2767.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
那是後面的事情啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
2767.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
2769.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
那你就是要講第六十條嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
2769.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
2771.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
那你就是一併回應就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
2771.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
2773.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
所以你是回應第六十條我們李委員的部分啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
2773.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
2775.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
那在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
2775.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
2777.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
不是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
2777.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
2779.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
所以他回應到後面我們就 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
2779.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
2781.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
不是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
2781.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
2783.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
有其他的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
2783.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
2785.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
你到這一條再來說就好了好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
2786.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
2788.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
因為他只是寫法上的問題而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
2788.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
2790.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
因為目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
2790.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
2792.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
定義寫在第三條啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
2792.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
2794.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
但是有的委員是在第六十條的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
2794.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
2796.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
把這個部分放進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
2796.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
2798.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
我了解啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
2798.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
2800.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
但是你回應的時候要說明標的 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
2800.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
2802.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
我們在看第三條的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
2802.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
2804.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
是九款並沒有講到受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
2804.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
2806.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
那其實呢其他委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
2806.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
2808.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
很多委員的提案呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
2808.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
2810.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
我們都相對可以理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
2810.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
2812.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
那是不是這一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
2812.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
2814.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
九款呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
2813.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
2815.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
的確在天然災這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
2815.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
2821.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
原來的颱風、焚風、龍捲風、豪雨、淫雨、冰暴、寒流、旱災或地震所造成的災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
2821.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
2823.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
這是天然災害救助辦法裡面有規定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
2823.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
2825.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
對其實就已經有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
2825.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
2829.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
但是呢氣候異常導致的病蟲害之災害啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
2829.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
2831.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
我想確認一下喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
2831.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
2833.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
你們有沒有辦法去認定氣候異常跟病蟲害之間的關聯性 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
2833.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
2835.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
這個就是要看個案喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
2835.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
2837.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
2837.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
2839.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
病蟲害如果是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
2839.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
2841.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
天然就是天候的異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
2841.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
2843.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
導致病蟲害的發生的頻度 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
2843.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
2845.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
在瞬間的增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
2845.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
2847.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
那那個時候就可以被認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
2847.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
2849.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
是因為天然災害所影響的 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
2849.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
2851.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
那如果說是一般的 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
2851.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
2853.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
病蟲害的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
2853.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
2855.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
因為天氣我們遇到是每天都遇到 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
2855.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
2859.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
所以他必須要有一些普遍性跟一致性的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
2859.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
2861.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
所以這個部分會變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
2861.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
2863.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
個案的認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
2863.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
2865.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
他不像颱風、豪雨這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
2865.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
2867.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
是一下子就知道是全面的或是區域性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
2867.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
2869.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
那你們舉個例子喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
2869.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
2871.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
我這邊先給你一個提示啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
2871.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
2873.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
其實沒有錯啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
2873.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
2875.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
在這個 |
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2875.53 |
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如果是局部氣候的異常導致的 |
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2879.53 |
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譬如說你雨水多了、雨水少了 |
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2879.53 |
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2881.53 |
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有些病蟲他的生長 |
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2881.53 |
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就有異常的改變 |
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但是舉例 |
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但是不是在台灣的天候異常 |
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他所造成的這些病蟲害 |
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2889.53 |
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2891.53 |
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譬如說 |
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2893.53 |
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有一陣子呢在中國地區 |
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2893.53 |
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2895.53 |
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他們的蝗蟲 |
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2897.53 |
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大量的增生就到台灣來侵蝕 |
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2899.53 |
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那這個時候 |
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因為台灣並沒有氣候異常嘛 |
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是對岸嘛 |
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在這裡我們農業部怎麼去認定 |
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因為這裡的意思是說 |
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好像在這裡所指的天然災害 |
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是指台灣地區 |
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2913.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
因台灣地理區域上的天然災害 |
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2913.53 |
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2915.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
導致的 |
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2915.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
2917.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
氣候異常所導致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
2917.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
2919.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
病蟲害 |
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2919.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
2921.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
那我們可以 |
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2921.53 |
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2923.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
那如果在其他地區的氣候異常 |
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2923.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
2925.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
導致台灣蒙受到的病蟲害災害 |
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2925.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
2927.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
農業部有辦法認定嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
2927.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
2929.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
我想跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
2929.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
2931.53 |
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你所舉的例子 |
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就是類似秋行軍蟲 |
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2933.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
2935.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
那我們現在的天然災害 |
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2935.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
2937.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
的定義一定是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
2937.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
2939.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
台灣遭受的天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
2939.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
2941.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
所造成的農業的影響 |
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2941.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
2943.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
我們才會去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
2943.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
2945.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
那如果說國外 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
2945.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
2947.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
造成的天然災害的 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
2947.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
2949.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
異常造成一些像 |
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2949.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
2951.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
秋行軍蟲由境外 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
2951.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
2953.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
進來的這種入侵的 |
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2953.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
2955.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
這些種我們都是用專案的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
2955.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
2957.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
去做撲殺跟處理 |
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2957.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
2959.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
跟救助 |
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2959.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
2961.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
所以你的意思是說在目前我們 |
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2961.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
2963.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
修訂的本法 |
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2963.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
2965.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
就是我們農花條例當中 |
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2965.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
2967.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
就算沒有訂出像秋行軍蟲 |
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2967.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
2969.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
這樣的一個病蟲害 |
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2969.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
2971.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
我們一樣農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
2971.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
2973.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
可以在我們的農業 |
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2973.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
2975.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
天然災害救助辦法當中 |
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2975.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
2977.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
予以專案認定是不是這樣子 |
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2977.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
2979.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
我們也不用天然不動用到天然災害救助辦法 |
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2979.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
2981.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
我們是針對重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
2981.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
2983.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
這些異病蟲害 |
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2983.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
2985.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
從國外導入的時候 |
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2985.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
2987.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
而且是不是人為導入的時候 |
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2987.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
2989.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
那我們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
2989.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
2991.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
在行政院的同意之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
2991.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
2993.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
我們會開啟專案的一個救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
2993.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
2995.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
跟相當的移除 |
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2995.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
2997.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
那秋行軍蟲就是一個例子 |
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2997.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
2999.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
就是當初開始的時候我們在處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
2999.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
3001.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
包括農藥的防治的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
3001.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
3003.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
都是由中央政府這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
3003.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
3005.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
來提供經費給地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
3005.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
3007.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
發給農民的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
3007.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
3009.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
好那主席跟委員也爭取一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
3009.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
3011.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
那我是覺得第十九款 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
3011.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
3013.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
既然委員提案了我們予以尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
3013.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
3015.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
是不是那個豆號後面 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
3015.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
3017.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
或因氣候異常導致發生病蟲害之災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
3017.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
3019.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
那麼依主管部 |
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3019.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
3021.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
部會的說明 |
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3021.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
3023.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
是不是我們就保留到 |
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3023.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
3025.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
那個豆點之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
3025.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
3027.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
因為這個跟天然災害救助辦法是一樣 |
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3027.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
3029.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
既然委員有提案了 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
3029.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
3031.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
那雖然行政部門覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
3031.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
3033.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
有重複規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
3033.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
3035.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
但是訂在我們的農法條例當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
3035.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
3037.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
天然災害重複的序名 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
3037.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
3039.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
除非農業部認為說 |
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3039.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
3041.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
寫了之後掛一六萬不如不要寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
3041.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
3043.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
不然的話如果跟既有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
3043.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
3045.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
農業部天然災害救助辦法是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
3045.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
3047.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
那麼我們就應該尊重委員的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
3047.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
3049.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
我跟委員先報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
3049.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
3051.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
因為天然災害用到這個字 |
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3051.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
3053.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
我們在一般法的前面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
3053.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
3055.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
定義的話就是後面的條文 |
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3055.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
3057.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
經常會用到 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
3057.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
3059.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
那天然災害這個定義只在第六十條 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
3059.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
3061.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
用到 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
3060.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
3062.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
這是第一點 |
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3062.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
3064.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
第二點就是說天然災害因為剛才在災防法 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
3064.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
3066.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
災防就法已經有定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
3066.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
3068.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
你們這個不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
3068.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
3070.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
你去看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
3070.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
3072.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
你們這個內容是天然災害救助辦法裡面的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
3072.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
3074.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
不是災防法的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
3074.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
3076.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
3076.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
3078.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
災防法的定義裡面就是風災水災 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
3081.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
3083.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
漢災、鄭災、寒海、土石流、大規模崩塌等天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
3088 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
3090 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
我念一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
3090 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
3092 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
你們目前農業部的天然災害救助辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
3092 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
3094 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
是指颱風、焚風、龍捲風、 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
3094 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
3096 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
蠔雨、淫雨、冰雹、 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
3096 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
3098 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
寒流、旱災或地震 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
3098 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
3100 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
所造成的災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
3100 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
3102 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
其實這個條款是跟你們的救助辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
3102 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
3104 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
抄出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
3104 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
3106 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
不要說抄啦,就是引引出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
3106 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
3108 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
你們不要再去自我否定你們的救助辦法 |
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3108 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
3110 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
那如果說你 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
3110 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
3112 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
災害防救法的順序內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
3112 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
3114 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
不完全一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
3114 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
3116 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
所以你是說第四九款我們不要規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
3116 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
3118 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
我們直接在第二,第六十條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
3118 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
3120 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
就直接把它寫在那裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
3120 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
3122 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
那本席可以接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
3122 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
3124 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
就是說你們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
3124 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
3126 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
這個第十九款就直接放在第六十條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
3126 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
3128 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
那六十條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
3128 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
3130 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
我們就是以你們的天然災害救助辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
3130 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
3132 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
那幾個款項 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
3132 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
3134 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
是不是這個意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
3134 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
3136 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
我再跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
3136 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
3138 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
我們把這個東西放在天然災害救助辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
3138 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
3140 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
如果你看天然災害救助辦法的第四條裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
3140 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
3142 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
還有加一個第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
3142 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
3144 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
就是我們剛才講的您所念的 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
3144 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
3146 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
我們還有一個前項以外的天然災害發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
3146 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
3148 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
且有救助之必要時 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
3148 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
3150 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
得由中央助管機關專案認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
3150 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
3152 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
所以這個就是我們剛才講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
3152 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
3154 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
如果遇到病蟲害的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
3154 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
3156 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
會放在那個辦法裡面去定盤 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
3156 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
3158 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
而有一個比較適度的彈性 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
3163.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
3165.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
好那我再確認一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
3165.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
3167.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
因為我看六十條主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
3167.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
3169.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
因為大家講來講去都會直接跟六十條掛鉤 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
3169.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
3171.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
那六十條的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
3171.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
3175.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
其實委員就是要把天然災害救助辦法裡面的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
3175.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
3177.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
放到第六十條 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
3177.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
3179.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
那這個除非我們是一併討論說 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
3179.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
3181.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
你們認為寫在母法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
3181.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
3183.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
反而侷限了未來天然災害救助辦法的修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
3183.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
3185.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
那不然的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
3185.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
3187.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
目前那項第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
3188.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
3190.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
委員都把它放進來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
3190.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
3192.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
但是第二項沒有放進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
3192.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
3194.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
那第二項沒有放進來反而造成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
3194.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
3196.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
未來天然災害救助辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
3196.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
3198.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
它的執法的層次被提高到母法之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
3198.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
3200.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
母法寫死了 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
3200.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
3202.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
未來你們天然災害救助辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
3202.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
3204.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
如果要擴充會受到影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
3204.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
3206.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
所以你們認為是不是保留在 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
3206.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
3208.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
天然災害救助辦法就可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
3208.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
3210.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
是這個意思嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
3210.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
3212.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
所以那是不是我建議主席我們這個第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
3212.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
3214.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
的第十九款 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
3214.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
3216.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
跟第六十條很多委員的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
3216.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
3218.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
是不是一併討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
3218.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
3220.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
到底大家認不認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
3220.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
3222.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
應該把天然災害救助辦法當中的第一項跟第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
3222.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
3226.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
或者是放到第三條的第十九款 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
3226.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
3228.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
或者就是放在第六十條的完整內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
3228.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
3230.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
那不過我現在看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
3230.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
3232.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
不管是目前委員提案的第三條第十九款 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
3232.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
3234.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
還是第六十條的第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
3234.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
3236.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
其實並沒有完整的把天然災害救助辦法裡面的第一項第二項放進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
3236.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
3238.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
的確會有一點掛一漏萬之魚 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
3238.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
3240.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
是不是請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
3240.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
3242.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
那如果我們現在看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
3242.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
3244.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
我們來討論看看第六十條跟第三條第十九款 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
3244.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
3246.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
3246.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
3248.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
是不是請主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
3248.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
3250.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
我們來討論看看第六十條跟第三條第十九款 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
3250.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
3252.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
3253.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
3255.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
我們先請 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
3255.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
3257.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
因為還有委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
3257.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
3259.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
所以政天才我們方委員在李玉琳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
3261.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
3263.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
3263.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
3265.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
邱振軍委員之所以會 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
3266.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
3268.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
希望把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
3268.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
3270.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
農業天然災害救助辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
3272.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
3274.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
原來所訂的第四條 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
3275.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
3277.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
再 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
3277.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
3279.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
認為需要提升到法律的位階 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
3280.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
3282.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
最主要 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
3282.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
3284.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
這個農業天然災害救助辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
3286.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
3288.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
的一級 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
3287.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
3291.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
就是我們今天要審查的農業發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
3292.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
3294.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
所授權訂定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
3294.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
3296.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
那我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
3296.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
3298.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
立法委員或是民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
3298.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
3300.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
或是地方政府機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
3301 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
3303 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
常常會建議你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
3303 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
3305 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
應該包含這個包含這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
3305.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
3307.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
但是你們就會限收在 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
3308.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
3310.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
你們的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
3310.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
3312.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
第四條 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
3311.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
3313.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
第四條雖然有寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
3313.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
3315.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
3315.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
3319.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
這個另外好其他的得由中央主管機關專案論定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
3320.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
3322.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
那現在我們現在是 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
3323.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
3325.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
3324.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
3326.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
把它明確定在 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
3326.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
3328.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
認為需要增加的把它列在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
3329.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
3331.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
以這個救生軍委員的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
3331.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
3333.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
就是因氣候異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
3333.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
3335.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
導致發生病毒害 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
3337.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
3339.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
自在害 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
3338.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
3340.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
如果認為這個還不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
3341.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
3343.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
我們可以再增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
3343.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
3345.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
或者是在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
3345.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
3347.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
也定 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
3346.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
3348.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
也增訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
3348.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
3350.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
得由中央主管機關專案論定制 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
3350.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
3352.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
提升為法律的位階 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
3354.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
3356.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
因為我們每一次建議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
3357.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
3359.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
你們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
3358.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
3360.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
啊不累啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
3360.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
3362.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
沒事都很困難啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
3362.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
3364.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
才會 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
3363.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
3365.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
把它列為 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
3365.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
3367.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
提升為法律的位階 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
3367.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
3369.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
那為什麼這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
3370.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
3372.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
要列在第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
3372.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
3374.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
3373.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
3375.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
就是因為這邊是在講這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
3376.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
3378.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
所以我們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
3378.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
3380.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
所以我們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
3380.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
3382.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
所以我們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
3382.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
3384.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
所以我們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
3384.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
3386.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
所以我們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
3386.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
3388.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
所以我們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
3388.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
3390.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
所以我們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
3390.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
3392.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
所以我們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
3392.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
3394.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
所以我們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
3394.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
3396.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
所以我們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
3396.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
3398.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
所以我們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
3398.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
3400.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
所以我們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
3400.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
3402.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
所以我們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
3402.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
3404.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
所以我們就不修了 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
3377.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
3379.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
3379.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
3381.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
我的建議還是說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
3381.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
3383.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
當然我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
3383.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
3385.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
這李議員委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
3385.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
3387.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
在這個第60條裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
3387.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
3389.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
也有提到啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
3389.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
3391.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
那因為這個是在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
3391.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
3393.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
定義的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
3393.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
3395.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
就是講定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
3395.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
3397.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
所以就那個立法體力的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
3397.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
3399.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
就會放在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
3399.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
3401.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
既然我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
3401.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
3403.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
這個農業發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
3403.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
3405.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
3404.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
3406.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
用此定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
3406.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
3408.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
就立法體力的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
3408.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
3410.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
就把它併在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
3411.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
3413.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
這個我建議農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
3414.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
3416.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
你們應該就 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
3416.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
3418.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
立法委員所提的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
3420.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
3422.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
就這個第19 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
3422.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
3424.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
第19款而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
3424.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
3426.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
哪些還需要把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
3427.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
3429.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
定的會更明確會更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
3430.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
3432.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
而不是去否定說它放在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
3432.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
3434.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
3434.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
3436.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
你本來就要定義嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
3436.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
3438.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
你現在的定義本來是放在辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
3438.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
3440.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
那現在立法委員希望把它提升為法律的位階 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
3442.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
3444.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
我不要去否定它 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
3444.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
3446.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
而是說這個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
3446.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
3448.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
這樣的寫法還少了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
3448.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
3450.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
因為經過這麼多年 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
3452.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
3454.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
的一個實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
3454.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
3456.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
那怎麼樣能夠把它強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
3456.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
3458.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
3459.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
3461.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
透過認裝啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
3461.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
3463.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
認定的都把它寫進去不是以後更明確嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
3464.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
3466.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
3466.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
3468.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
我的建議是這樣以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
3468.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
3470.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
3470.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
3472.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
主席喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
3472.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
3474.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
我們今天針對產發條例的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
3474.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
3476.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
我們都提了 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
3476.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
3478.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
很多次了 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
3478.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
3480.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
你們也質詢過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
3480.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
3482.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
然後我們條文也宣讀過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
3482.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
3484.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
但是我們就是要等行政院的版本進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
3484.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
3486.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
你們都一直不進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
3486.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
3488.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
我們大家來共同討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
3488.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
3490.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
所以今天我們主席特別排這個案子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
3490.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
3492.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
我們也謝謝部長李青志到 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
3492.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
3494.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
來討論這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
3494.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
3496.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
那剛剛這個第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
3496.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
3498.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
我們中委員有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
3498.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
3500.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
我們第60條是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
3500.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
3502.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
那我們為什麼要在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
3502.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
3504.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
母法裡面來提這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
3504.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
3506.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
最重要是我們產發條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
3506.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
3508.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
並沒有明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
3508.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
3510.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
定義說我們天然災害的種類 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
3510.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
3512.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
種類沒有定義出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
3512.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
3514.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
雖然剛剛念出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
3514.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
3516.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
什麼天災風災 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
3516.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
3518.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
冰雹還是說我們地震 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
3518.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
3520.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
等等這些並沒有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
3520.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
3522.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
我們農作物的這個受損的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
3522.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
3524.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
還有其他的因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
3524.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
3526.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
那部長你說把這其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
3526.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
3528.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
因素給你們有專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
3528.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
3530.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
為什麼設專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
3530.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
3532.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
我們需要的就是給你們有法源 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
3532.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
3534.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
要不然的話我們母法 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
3534.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
3536.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
有你執法裡面沒有明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
3536.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
3538.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
把這種類項目定出來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
3538.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
3540.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
在執行的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
3540.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
3542.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
會有摯愛男性或卡卡的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
3542.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
3544.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
所以我們才說 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
3544.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
3546.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
希望把他把這天然災害的種類 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
3546.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
3548.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
明確出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
3548.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
3550.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
包括我們這天然災害裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
3550.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
3552.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
不只是氣候的問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
3552.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
3554.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
還有野生的保護動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
3554.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
3556.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
這也會造成啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
3556.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
3558.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
剛剛部長也有講啊可能是猴子的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
3558.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
3560.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
還有綠西瓜的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
3560.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
3562.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
還有紅火蟻的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
3562.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
3564.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
很多種我們就把明確定出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
3564.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
3566.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
讓你在執行執法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
3566.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
3568.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
有法源根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
3568.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
3570.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
這樣子的話我們的農民的災損啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
3570.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
3572.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
才能夠獲得保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
3572.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
3574.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
對我們農民才是公平的好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
3574.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
3576.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
所以這個第十九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
3576.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
3578.15 |
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不要不要把它廢掉 |
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3578.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3580.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
可以把它納入六十條裡面 |
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3580.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3582.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
我們把明確的定義確定種類 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
3582.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3584.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
然後確定他的法源 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3584.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3586.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
讓我們執法更加公平公正 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3586.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3588.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
好謝謝謝謝委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3589.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3591.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
可以回應了 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3591.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3593.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
謝謝委員的一些建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3593.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3595.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
那我想我分幾個層面 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
3595.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3597.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
跟各位來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3597.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3599.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
就是在法的設計上 |
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3599.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3601.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
有母法跟相關的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3601.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3603.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
那當然相關的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3603.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3605.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
最主要是作用法在執行面的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3605.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3607.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
那我想各位都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3607.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3609.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
這幾年天然災害救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3609.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3611.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
農業部一定是盡全力 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3611.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3613.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
甚至於都是用主動公告的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3613.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3615.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
來第一時間協助農民 |
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3615.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3617.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
但是我們如果把 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3617.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3619.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
很多辦法裡面的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3619.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
3621.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
要把它搬到母法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
3621.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
3623.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
那我們考慮農村條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
3623.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
3625.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
有非常非常多的條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
3625.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
3627.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
它有相關的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
3627.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
3629.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
那相關的辦法都全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
3629.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
3631.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
放在母法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
3631.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
3633.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
就不會去呈現出它的一個重要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
3633.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
3635.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
所以我們用辦法的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
3635.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
3637.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
有它的彈性 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
3637.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
3639.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
那這個彈性本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
3639.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
3641.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
我剛才說到的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
3641.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
3643.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
我們有一個第二項其他的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
3643.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
3645.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
那其他的部分它是 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
3645.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
3647.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
比較不容易是直接的 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
3647.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
3649.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
天然災害它是因為天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
3649.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
3651.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
而影響的像病蟲害等這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
3651.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
3653.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
那它都要 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
3653.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
3655.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
一些專案的認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
3655.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
3657.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
而不是說只要病蟲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
3657.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
3659.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
它不是天然災害一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
3659.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
3661.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
它是因為受天然災害影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
3661.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
3663.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
而造成它的族群 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
3663.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
3665.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
那那個族群的話不是第一時間就可以判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
3665.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
3667.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
所以我們必須去了解以後 |
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3667.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
3669.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
才去做判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
3669.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
3671.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
那第二個部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
3671.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
3673.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
在整個的一個法的設計裡面 |
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3673.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
3675.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
我想後續的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
3675.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
3677.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
作為包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
3677.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
3679.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
專案認定的部分或是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
3679.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
3681.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
辦法裡面做修訂的部分會比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
3681.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
3683.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
那最後回應就是剛才講的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
3683.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
3685.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
我們在定義裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
3685.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
3687.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
去寫的時候 |
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3687.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
3689.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
我們在一個法會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
3689.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
3691.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
名詞定義是因為後面的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
3691.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
3693.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
會經常用到 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
3693.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
3695.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
我們才會去定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
3695.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
3697.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
但是天然災害這幾個定義的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
3697.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
3699.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
只在60條出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
3699.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
3701.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
所以在60條出現的天然災害裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
3701.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
3703.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
我們就回到我們的辦法去設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
3703.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
3705.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
所以這個法當初的設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
3705.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
3707.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
是這樣的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
3707.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
3709.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
而且到目前為止也沒有特別自愛難行的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
3711.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
3713.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
必須要去做這樣的一個處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
3715.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
3717.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
主席我先建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
3717.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
3719.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
因為我們剛剛這樣討論的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
3719.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
3721.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
就是第三條我們先把 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
3721.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
3723.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
邱政軍委員19條 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
3723.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
3725.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
放在第60條裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
3725.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
3727.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
一併來解釋再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
3727.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
3729.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
所以我們先把第三條過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
3729.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
3731.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
再往下走吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
3731.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
3733.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
第三條就沒有了 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
3733.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
3735.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
把19條放到 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
3735.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
3737.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
第19款放到 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
3737.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
3739.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
60條 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
3739.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
3741.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
我現在先這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
3741.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
3743.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
因為結構很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
3743.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
3745.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
就是說你天然災害是不是要定在第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
3745.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
3747.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
的名詞的定義就這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
3747.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
3749.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
還是要放在第60條 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
3749.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
3751.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
我們先徵求在場委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
3751.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
3753.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
我們先確定他天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
3753.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
3755.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
的程序是要放在第 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
3756.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
3758.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
你要放在第19款還是要放在 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
3758.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
3760.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
不要放在19款 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
3760.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
3762.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
不要放在60條 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
3765.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
3767.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
這樣啊你如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
3767.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
3769.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
第三條第19款裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
3770.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
3772.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
我覺得要加三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
3772.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
3774.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
也是中物保育法 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
3774.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
3776.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
第20條 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
3776.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
3778.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
你現在把他放在前面 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
3778.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
3780.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
農業部不承認啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
3780.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
3782.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
你不要跟我講辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
3782.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
3784.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
我哪一次艦隊法的部分有所謂的不承認 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
3784.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
3786.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
沒有絕對沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
3786.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
3788.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
我把他放進去你們才會承認啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
3788.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
3790.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
我每次拜託你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
3790.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
3792.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
河外從南部到北部了 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
3792.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
3794.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
國家都一直在反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
3794.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
3796.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
你每次講到天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
3796.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
3798.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
河外的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
3798.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
3800.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
你跟委員報告我上次已經承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
3800.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
3802.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
河外的部分我們一定會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
3802.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
3804.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
想辦法去認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
3804.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
3806.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
把他抓在裡面嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
3810.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
3812.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
不過這樣子好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
3812.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
3814.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
我們在場委員先決定就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
3814.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
3816.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
我們如果在第三條第19款 |
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3816.88 |
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3818.88 |
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不加就是把他放到第60條 |
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3818.88 |
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3820.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
來處理 |
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3820.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
3822.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
這樣在場委員有沒有意見 |
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3822.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
3824.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
我就要問政天才委員 |
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3826.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
3828.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
這樣好 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
3831.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
3833.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
我還是要跟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
3833.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
3835.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
農業部這邊來做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
3837.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
3839.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
3838.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
3840.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
災害防救法 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
3840.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
3842.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
他是法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
3841.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
3843.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
他裡面定的災害 |
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3844.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
3846.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
天然災害 |
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3846.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
3848.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
就累積了 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
3848.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
3850.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
就沒有包含很多跟農業 |
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3850.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
3852.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
有關的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
3851.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
3853.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
就會怪異漏網 |
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3853.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
3855.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
所以我們現在把他提升為法律的位階 |
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3855.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
3857.58 |
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那到底要放在第三條 |
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3859.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
3861.28 |
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還是放在第60條 |
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3861.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
3863.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
大家可以討論 |
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3863.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
3867.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
反正我認為都應該提升為法律的位階 |
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3867.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
3869.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
但是這個條文字 |
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3869.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
3871.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
文字還是要增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
3871.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
3873.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
所以農業部這邊也幫忙 |
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3873.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
3875.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
3875.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
3877.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
想一下這個文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
3877.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
3879.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
還是要把這個 |
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3879.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
3881.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
因為我們怪異漏網 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
3881.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
3885.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
所以還是要有這個授權給中央主管機關來另外認定 |
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3885.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
3887.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
增加其他的認定的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
3887.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
3889.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
好以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
3889.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
3891.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
我現在結論是這樣子好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
3891.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
3893.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
我想這場文大概就是說 |
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3893.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
3895.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
我們在第三條第19款 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
3895.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
3897.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
所列這些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
3897.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
3899.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
我們全部都把它放到第60條 |
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3899.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
3901.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
那在第60條 |
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3901.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
3903.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
等一下我們討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
3903.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
3905.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
我們也許在討論完 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
3905.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
3907.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
也許也可以先暫時休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
3907.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
3909.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
把那個修正的文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
3909.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
3911.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
弄出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
3911.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
3913.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
現在就可以寫了 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
3914 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
3916 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
那這樣子好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
3916 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
3918 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
我們第三條我們就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
3918 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
3920 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
就維持這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
3920 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
3922 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
現行的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
3922 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
3924 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
等一下我們就到第49款的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
3924 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
3926 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
移到第60條 |
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3929.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
3933.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
好接下來我們進行這個第10條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
3935.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
3937.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
第10條之一也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
3937.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
3939.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
就是在有關於農地填土的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
3939.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
3941.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
已經在農法條例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
3941.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
3943.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
實施細則裡面的第二條第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
3943.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
3945.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
已經規定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
3945.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
3947.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
那這邊我要跟委員報告就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
3947.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
3949.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
從法的執行來 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
3949.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
3951.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
不管是母法或執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
3951.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
3953.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
它的執行結果的效率是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
3953.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
3955.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
所以我們也覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
3955.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
3957.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
在執法已經有明確的明定的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
3957.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
3959.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
我們就不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
3959.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
3961.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
再提升到母法的位階 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
3961.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
3963.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
這是農業部的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
3965.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
3967.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
好那這個回應是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
3967.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
3969.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
因為我們是之前已經通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
3969.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
3971.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
獨裁法 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
3971.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
3973.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
獨裁法之後的清單會讀到這邊的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
3973.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
3975.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
這個是我們當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
3975.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
3977.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
提案的一個目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
3977.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
3979.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
那也是跟剛剛一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
3979.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
3981.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
就是說我們把這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
3981.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
3983.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
放到法夾只是讓你有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
3983.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
3985.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
更好的法人的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
3985.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
3987.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
那基本上來講就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
3987.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
3989.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
理念上來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
3989.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
3991.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
我們覺得以這樣子的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
3991.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
3993.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
來做這個控管 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
3993.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
3995.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
這個地方政府機關在執行這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].start |
3995.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
3997.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
法則的判定的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
3997.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
3999.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
會比較好一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].start |
3998.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
4000.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
4000.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].end |
4002.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
4002.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
4004.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
請問那個養殖漁業 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
4004.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
4006.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
漁溫它算不算農業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].start |
4007.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
4009.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
算了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
4009.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
4011.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
算好了那我就大概就教一下大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
4011.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
4013.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
其實它這裡面我是認同第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
4013.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
4015.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
農業用地應維持農業生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
4015.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
4017.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
功能與日然生態這是非常好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
4017.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
4019.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].start |
4019.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
4021.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
第二項的部分其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].start |
4021.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
4023.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
這個版本的用意 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].start |
4023.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
4027.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
它是針對營建剩餘土石方廢棄物 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
4027.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
4029.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
大概就是目前我們最痛恨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
4029.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
4031.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
就是這些廢土 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
4031.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
4033.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
那這些廢土啊兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].start |
4033.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
4035.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
包含了哪些要怎麼去認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].start |
4035.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
4037.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
其實要有一個明確的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
4037.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
4039.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
那我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
4039.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
4041.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
如果真的要把十條之一的精神放進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
4041.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
4043.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
就是要把這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
4043.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
4045.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
4044.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
4046.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
原則的概念把它表達出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
4046.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
4048.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
但是戲幕的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
4048.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
4050.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
在執行上 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
4050.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
4052.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
我們委員目前在母法上的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
4052.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
4054.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
會有一些些現實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
4054.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
4056.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
不太一樣的地方比如說好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
4056.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
4058.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
因為它這裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
4058.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
4060.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
它的貨制第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
4060.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
4062.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
第二項的貨制或其他不適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
4062.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
4064.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
種植農作物 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
4065.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
4067.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
物質之堆置 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
4067.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
4069.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
這就想像的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
4069.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
4071.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
是種植農作物 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
4071.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
4073.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
但是餘溫 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
4073.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
4075.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
它那個土地不是要種植農作物的 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
4075.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
4077.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
所以適合在餘溫當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
4077.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
4079.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
他們那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
4079.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
4081.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
可能在餘溫跟餘溫之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
4081.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
4083.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
它需要有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
4083.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
4085.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
人走的 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
4084.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
4086.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
那些通道 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
4086.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
4088.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
或者是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
4088.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
4090.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
小型車輛要去搬運 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
4090.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
4092.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
餘溫的這些路面 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
4092.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
4094.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
你說它用的這些田的 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
4095 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
4097 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
物質它可能就不是農作物 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
4098.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
4100.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
這是很明顯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
4100.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
4102.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
因為我們在養殖地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
4102.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
4104.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
很多餘溫的養殖業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
4104.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
4106.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
他們在餘溫跟餘溫之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
4106.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
4108.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
他們需要人員搬運工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
4108.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
4110.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
出入的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
4110.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
4112.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
他需要去填出一條走道 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
4112.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
4114.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
那這個走道它不可能用優質的 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
4114.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
4116.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
種植農作物的 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
4116.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
4118.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
物質嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
4118.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
4120.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
那這種情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
4120.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
4122.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
它既然是農業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
4122.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
4124.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
它也維持農業生產的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
4124.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
4126.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
它做餘溫使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
4126.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
4128.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
但是你限制它餘溫的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
4128.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
4130.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
必要的設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
4130.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
4132.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
限制要在不能夠用那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
4132.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
4134.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
不適合種植農作物的物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
4134.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
4136.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
那這恐怕就會造成 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
4136.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
4138.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
餘溫在經營上他們的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
4138.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
4140.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
它不可能把隔壁聯務員的優質土壤 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
4140.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
4142.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
餘溫啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
4142.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
4144.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
所以我是覺得這個部分主席也在觀察 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
4144.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
4146.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
在看 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
4147.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
4149.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
條文的用意是很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
4149.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
4151.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
但是他在表達的時候呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
4151.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
4153.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
他們有涵蓋到所有的農業生產樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
4153.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
4155.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
那恐怕當我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
4155.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
4157.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
心中想像的是農作物 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
4157.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
4159.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
種植的農業用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
4159.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
4161.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
的時候你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
4161.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
4163.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
定義所造成的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
4163.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
4165.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
就會造成其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].start |
4165.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
4167.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
非農作物種植的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
4167.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
4169.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
其他農業設施它在使用的時候的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
4169.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
4171.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
所以我是覺得這一點呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
4171.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
4173.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
是不是讓農業部去想一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
4173.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
4175.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
怎麼樣保留這個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
4175.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
4177.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
我們的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
4177.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
4179.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
就是我們要宣示不允許 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
4179.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
4181.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
廢土進入到農業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
4181.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
4183.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
但是又不至於限制了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
4183.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
4185.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
那些在不同形態的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
4185.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
4187.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
農業生產的使用時 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
4187.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
4189.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
他必須要做一些地形地貌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
4189.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
4191.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
他可能要去做一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
4191.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
4193.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
設施的鋪設的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
4193.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
4195.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
他可能沒有辦法一律採用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
4195.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
4197.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
通通是用來種植農作物的優質土壤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
4197.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
4199.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
去回填 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
4199.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
4201.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
這個是有困難的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
4201.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
4203.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
所以我才說後面有一些認定的話就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
4206.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
4208.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
有機關會箱啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
4208.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
4210.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
你把那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
4210.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
4212.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
貨旗它不適合種植農作物的堆置 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
4212.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
4214.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
放在母髮裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
4215.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
4217.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
我漁溫又不是要種植農作物的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
4217.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
4219.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
你叫我漁溫裡面要做的布道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
4219.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
4221.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
必須要用適合種植農作物的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
4221.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
4223.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
這個母髮這樣定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
4223.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
4225.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
植髮再怎麼寫寫不出來啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
4225.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
4227.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
我簡單的意思說這個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
4227.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
4229.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
沒有完整的把 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
4229.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
4231.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
所有的農業生產的樣態都想進去啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
4231.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
4233.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
在漁溫的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
4233.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
4235.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
農業生產的樣態當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
4235.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
4237.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
他的土地的使用性質 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
4237.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
4239.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
會受到這個限制啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
4239.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
4241.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
這已經有農民在反應了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
4244.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
4246.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
還沒有寫這條就有反應了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
4247.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
4249.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
我們這都有公道的耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
4250.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
4252.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
不是啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
4252.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
4254.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
我是不是可以跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
4257.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
4259.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
4259.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
4261.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
來針對這一條民眾黨黨團的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
4261.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
4263.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
把農業的用地上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
4263.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
4265.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
能夠覆蓋或不能覆蓋的土石 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
4265.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
4267.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
寫得這麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
4268.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
4270.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
4270.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
4272.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
詳細或者是說這麼細索 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
4272.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
4274.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
我看到一個叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
4274.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
4276.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
銀劍剩餘土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
4276.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
4278.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
這個我們有沒有內政部的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
4281.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
4283.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
簡潤工程師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
4283.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
4285.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
來是不是我請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
4286.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
4288.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
如果就銀劍屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
4288.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
4290.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
AV |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
4289.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
4291.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
這個你們銀劍工程的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
4292.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
4294.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
4297.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
4299.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
上發煙台啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
4302.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
4304.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
你們的銀劍剩餘土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
4304.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
4306.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
應該是有分很多種類吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
4306.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
4308.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
比如說我現在一個新的基地開挖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
4308.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
4310.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
新的基地開挖下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
4310.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
4312.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
挖起來的豪土 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
4312.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
4314.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
算不算銀劍剩餘土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
4315.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
4317.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
那這個豪土能不能去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
4317.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
4319.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
農地的土質改良 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
4321.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
4323.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
你們的銀劍剩餘土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
4323.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
4325.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
依照我的了解應該是有分很多的級別 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
4325.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
4327.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
很多的不同種類嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
4327.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
4329.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
所以如果我們的文字直接這樣寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
4329.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
4331.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
好像你的這個所有銀劍的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
4331.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
4333.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
挖起來的土石全部是爛的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
4333.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
4335.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
全部是不好的土 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
4335.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
4337.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
那怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
4338.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
4340.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
這個部分回答委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
4340.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
4342.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
那的確我們銀劍剩餘土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
4342.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
4344.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
指的是是來源的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
4344.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
4346.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
只要凡是是相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
4346.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
4348.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
建築公共工程或是管線 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
4348.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
4350.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
工程所施工產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
4350.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
4352.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
挖出來的都叫做我們的銀劍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
4352.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
4354.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
剩餘土石方那這個部分的確也 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
4354.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
4356.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
包括了非常多的種類我們有分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
4356.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
4358.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
B1到B7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
4358.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
4360.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
可能裡面就會有所謂的表土 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
4360.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
4362.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
黏土一般的土壤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
4362.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
4364.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
沙子礫石岩塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
4364.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
4366.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
這些都是在我們的銀劍剩餘土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
4366.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
4368.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
的範疇裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
4368.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
4370.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
所以目前如果照這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
4370.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
4372.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
修法文字所所寫的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
4372.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
4374.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
銀劍剩餘土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
4374.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
4376.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
就會範疇這些所有挖出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
4376.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
4378.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
這些相關的所有的土壤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
4378.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
4380.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
都包含在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
4380.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
4382.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
所以範疇是比較大的以上說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
4383.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
4385.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
好,所以這個好土壞土 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
4386.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
4388.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
只要是銀劍剩餘土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
4388.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
4390.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
通通都不能回填 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
4390.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
4392.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
不能回填農地,來,部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
4392.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
4394.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
好土能不能回填農地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
4395.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
4397.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
一線量的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
4397.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
4399.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
就是農地如果需要改良的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
4399.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
4401.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
它銀劍的這些廢土 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
4401.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
4403.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
它經過土資廠去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
4403.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
4405.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
做分類了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
4405.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
4407.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
適合農地的還是可以用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
4407.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
4409.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
然後如果你再... |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
4409.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
4411.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
所以我才會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
4411.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
4413.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
有一些很細的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
4413.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
4415.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
相關的在種類的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
4415.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
4417.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
應該是在細則裡面去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
4417.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
4419.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
規範跟處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
4419.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
4421.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
但是你一旦拉到母法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
4421.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
4423.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
你寫死了就完全不能用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
4423.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
4425.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
那你要修的話要重新再修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
4425.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
4427.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
那個時間的反應就會比較慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
4427.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
4429.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
這個我... |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
4429.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
4431.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
我覺得講大白話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
4431.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
4433.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
寫這一條就是你們當時在說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
4433.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
4435.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
這個所謂的美農大峽谷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
4435.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
4437.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
被挖了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
4437.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
4439.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
所以大家現在就是說農地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
4439.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
4441.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
要有很多的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
4441.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
4443.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
這個我也同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
4443.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
4445.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
不適合回填到農地的土質 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
4445.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
4447.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
當然不能回填到農地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
4447.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
4449.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
我們還是要回復農地可以種植使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
4449.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
4451.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
但是如果能夠對於農地進行土質改良 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
4451.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
4453.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
又或者你所有的土方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
4453.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
4455.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
比如說你有的土 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
4457.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
4459.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
有的農地他的種子是需要砂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
4459.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
4461.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
然後你現在寫砂也不行填農地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
4462.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
4464.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
那請問需要砂質土的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
4464.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
4466.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
這個農地要怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
4466.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
4468.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
那你的銀建剩餘土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
4468.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
4470.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
按照你們講的國土屬的講法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
4470.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
4472.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
銀建剩餘土石方就有分七種 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
4473.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
4475.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
從B1到B7啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
4475.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
4477.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
那你只有短短幾個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
4477.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
4479.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
七個字就把七種全部打掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
4480.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
4482.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
我覺得這個也不盡合理吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
4482.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
4484.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
我們這修法不能因業廢食啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
4484.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].end |
4486.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
我總是要留一個彈性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
4486.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
4488.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
讓你們在執法裡頭去明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
4488.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
4490.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
那你們執法在明定的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].start |
4490.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
4492.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
哪一些是可以哪一些是不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
4492.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
4494.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
你們一定是要跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
4494.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
4496.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
4495.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
4497.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
內政部相關的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
4497.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
4499.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
跨部會的單位一起去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
4499.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
4501.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
一起去做討論嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
4501.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
4503.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
所以我不是很贊同在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
4503.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
4505.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
直接把這個法就把它寫死啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
4506.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
4508.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
我這邊稍微回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
4508.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
4510.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
就是我們現在也正在積極的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
4510.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
4512.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
原來放在史詩戲者的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
4512.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].end |
4514.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
第十條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
4514.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
4516.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
那個戲者裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
4516.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
4518.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
的一些內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
4518.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
4520.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
內容裡面有一些當初在寫的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
4520.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
4522.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
也太過於籠統 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].start |
4522.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
4524.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
那太過於籠統的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
4524.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
4526.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
可能造成後續執行的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].start |
4526.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
4528.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
所以在戲者裡面去做彈性的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
4528.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
4530.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
他對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
4530.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
4532.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
外界的這些需要處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
4532.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
4534.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
反應速度會比放在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
4534.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
4536.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
無法來快啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
4536.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
4538.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
這是我想我們當初我們建議說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
4538.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
4540.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
還是維持在戲者裡面的一個重要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
4542.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
4544.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
好等一下我先簡單回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
4544.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
4546.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
等一下再請楊全文再增添起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].start |
4546.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
4548.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
因為當時這一條的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
4548.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
4550.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
基本上是從你的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].start |
4550.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
4552.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
農業發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].start |
4552.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
4554.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
實行戲者對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].start |
4554.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
4556.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
二之一你們寫的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
4556.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
4558.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
所以我這些的話剛剛中間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
4558.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
4560.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
楊二之一還沒來跟我談 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
4560.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
4562.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
我都是照你們的寫的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
4585.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
4587.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
4587.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
4589.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
農業發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
4589.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
4591.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
實行戲者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
4591.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
4593.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
委員的條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
4593.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
4595.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
出現了所謂的天然原土 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
4595.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
4597.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
或適合農作物資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
4597.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
4599.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
有機質改良土外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
4599.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
4601.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
那基本上有機質 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
4601.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
4603.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
本來就是可以放在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
4603.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
4605.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
土壤裡面去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
4605.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
4607.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
我們相關的放在土壤裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
4607.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
4609.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
這些添加物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
4609.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
4611.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
也有相關的一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
4611.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
4613.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
所以我們才會一直說這樣的一個法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
4613.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
4615.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
對我現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
4615.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
4617.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
你現在剛剛跟我回的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
4617.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
4619.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
剛剛委員我現在在回台委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
4619.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
4621.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
一個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
4621.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
4623.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
不得殺食專瓦混淋土壞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
4623.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
4625.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
或其他不適合種植 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
4625.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
4627.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
這是從我從你們的農業實行戲者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
4627.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
4629.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
條例二之一條拉出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
4631.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
4633.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
4632.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
4634.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
4635.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
4637.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
我只是在講這些事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].start |
4637.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
4639.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
至於你講的農業目的天然原土 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].start |
4639.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
4641.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
所以我前面後面也講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].start |
4641.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
4643.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
就是讓你可以去改 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].start |
4644.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
4646.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
所以你是遵行你的認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
4646.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
4648.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
好我這樣回答完請這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
4649.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
4651.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
好楊全英委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
4651.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
4653.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
部長我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
4654.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
4656.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
因為之前發生了那麼多事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
4656.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
4658.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
也成為一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
4658.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
4660.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
社會議題大家共同在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
4660.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
4662.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
4661.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
4663.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
那我剛剛要舉手表達的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
4663.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
4665.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
你本來就是在你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
4667.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
4669.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
你的實行戲者二之一裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
4669.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
4671.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
就是在這些重點文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
4673.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
4675.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
那你當委員有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
4675.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
4677.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
每一個人都有每一個人的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
4678.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
4680.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
當這個看法提出的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
4680.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
4682.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
你應該要坦白的去說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
4682.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
4684.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
在你的二之一你本來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
4684.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
4686.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
就是這樣寫啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
4686.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
4688.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
4688.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
4690.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
而且他這個第十條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
4690.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
4692.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
所以最後倒數第二行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
4692.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
4694.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
以上所相關由中央主管機關貴商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
4694.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
4696.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
有關當 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
4696.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
4698.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
有關機關訂定之 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
4700.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
4702.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
所以我們今天在審法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].start |
4702.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
4704.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
應該是針對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
4704.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
4706.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
法案的法條的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
4706.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
4708.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
以及你在執行方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
4708.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
4710.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
要怎麼去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
4710.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
4712.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
你不能自己打臉自己啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
4712.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
4714.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
你自己本身二之一就這麼寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
4714.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
4716.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
然後你在這邊讓人家以為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
4716.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
4718.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
這個是亂寫我覺得這樣不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
4718.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
4720.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
那我覺得討論到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
4720.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
4722.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
大家都是非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
4722.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
4724.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
用心有責任的要怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
4724.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
4726.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
去解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
4726.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
4728.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
目前我們所碰到的這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
4728.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
4730.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
讓人民有所依歸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
4731.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
4733.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
他依照你的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
4733.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
4735.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
你的法條去執行之 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
4735.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
4737.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
這是民主國家裡頭最珍貴的一點嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
4737.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
4739.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
所以你應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
4739.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
4741.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
以下的發言我是充分建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
4741.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
4743.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
大家目標一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
4744.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
4746.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
目標是一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
4746.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
4748.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
那你的條文裡頭文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
4748.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
4750.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
你認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
4749.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
4751.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
已經有提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
4751.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
4753.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
行政部門認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
4753.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
4755.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
你在執行當中你認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
4755.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
4757.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
文字可以需要怎麼樣做調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
4757.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
4759.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
應該是在這個討論才對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
4761.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
4763.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
是我的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
4763.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
4765.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].text |
這樣聽起來好遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
4768.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
4770.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
4769.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
4773.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
這個我真的是要誠心的建議農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
4774.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
4776.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
立法委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
4775.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
4777.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
根據民意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
4777.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
4779.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
提出這個法律案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
4780.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
4782.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
就是認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
4781.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
4783.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
在現行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
4783.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
4785.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
農業發展條例施行細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
4787.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
4789.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
有不周圍的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
4789.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
4791.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
所以要修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
4791.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
4793.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
但是我常常會建議你們修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
4793.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
4795.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
說因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
4794.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
4796.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
要不要修正決定權在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
4796.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
4798.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
那立法委員只能做的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
4798.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
4800.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
把它列為法律的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].start |
4800.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].end |
4802.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].text |
我們唯一的方法就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].start |
4803.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].end |
4805.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].text |
所以在這樣的一個情形之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].start |
4805.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].end |
4807.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
我們現在討論這個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].start |
4808.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
4810.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
就應該好好地檢視 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].start |
4810.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].end |
4812.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].text |
怎麼樣讓這個條文會更周延 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].start |
4814.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].end |
4816.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].text |
應該是朝這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
4817.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
4819.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
而不是朝說不要訂不要訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
4821.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].end |
4823.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].text |
因為你本來就訂在辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].start |
4823.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].end |
4825.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
而是你細則裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
4825.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].end |
4827.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
有不周圍的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
4827.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].end |
4829.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
所以我們要希望提升法律的位階 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].start |
4831.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
4833.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].text |
我們應該是這樣來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
4833.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
4835.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
這是第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
4835.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
4837.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
看文字要怎麼改 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].start |
4837.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
4839.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
譬如說讓這個第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
4839.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
4843.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
民眾黨團提案的第四條之一的第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
4845.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
4849.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
這個文字是不是要再好好的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
4850.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].end |
4852.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
農業部也應該提供意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
4852.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].end |
4854.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
如果這樣寫的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].start |
4854.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
4858.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
農業用地應維持其農業生產功能以自然生態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
4859.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
4861.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
如果這樣寫的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].start |
4861.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
4863.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].start |
4862.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].end |
4864.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
是不是會限制了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
4865.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
4867.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
而不是全盤的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
4867.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
4869.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
我們應該是怎麼樣去討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
4870.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
4872.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
所以把文字修得更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
4872.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
4874.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
4875.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
4877.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
周家斌委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
4877.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].end |
4879.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
4879.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
4881.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
主席把元雄抓到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
4881.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
4883.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
就是目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
4883.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
4885.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
目前這個條文十之一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
4885.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
4889.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
他是從農法條例施行細則的第二之一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
4888.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
4890.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
那我請主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
4891.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
4897.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
是不是主席可以把農法條例第二之一條把它秀出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
4897.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
4901.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
其實這裡面剛好凸顯的不是現在修法的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
4901.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
4906.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
是在原來執法的施行細則存在著一個長期困擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
4906.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
4909.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
不同農業用途使用的農民的困擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
4909.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
4911.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
剛剛主席提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
4911.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
4913.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
這個條文他們正在修 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
4913.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
4917.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
為什麼農民就知道原來不是出在這次的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
4917.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
4920.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
出在目前農法條例施行細則第二之一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
4920.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
4924.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
他寫說前條農業用地從事農業使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
4924.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
4926.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
4929.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
4931.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
你看一下第二條寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
4931.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
4933.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
什麼叫做農業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
4933.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
4934.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
農業用地有包括什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
4934.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
4936.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
他按照使用分區 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
4936.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
4937.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
他有林業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
4937.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
4938.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
養殖用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
4938.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
4939.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
水利用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
4939.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
4940.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
生態保護用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
4940.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
4941.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
國安保 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
4941.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
4943.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
國土保安地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
4943.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
4945.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
急供農路使用之土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
4945.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
4947.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
這些都是農業用地耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
4948.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
4949.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
4949.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
4952.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
這些農業用地通通含塞在你第二條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
4953.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
4954.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
4954.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
4956.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
他如果是做農業使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
4956.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
4957.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
4957.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
4959.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
農路是不是做農業使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
4960.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
4962.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
現在當然是做農業使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
4962.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
4966.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
前一陣子有一次省級部來糾正我們農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
4966.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
4970.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
說我們對於我們的農業災害天然救助辦法當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
4970.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
4974.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
到底他的損害面積他的救助金額要根據種植面積去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
4974.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
4976.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
結果省級部就挑了毛病 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
4976.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
4977.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
他根據空照圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
4977.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
4981.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
把我們農民申請農業災害天然救助的那些農地面積 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
4981.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
4983.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
裡面的農舍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
4983.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
4984.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
裡面的農路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
4984.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
4985.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
儲存空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
4985.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
4987.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
通通扣除 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
4987.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
4990.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
還要求農民要把這些義齡的金額還給部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
4990.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
4991.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
部長還記得吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
4992.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
4994.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
後來經過農業部的距離力增 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
4994.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
4996.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
其實也是因為農業部自己的辦法定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
4996.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
4998.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
讓省級部誤以為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
4998.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
5002.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
這些農地上的農路進出的通道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
5002.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
5005.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
跟農業生產無關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
5005.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
5007.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
所以把它扣除了其實是有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
5007.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
5009.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
那如果農路是跟農業生產有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
5009.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
5011.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
一個農田如果沒有農路要怎麼耕作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
5012.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
5014.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
那你這個農路也是農業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
5014.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
5017.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
請問這個農業用地按照你二條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
5017.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
5018.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
那是要什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
5018.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
5019.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
要用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
5019.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
5021.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
適合農業生產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
5021.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
5023.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
優質土壤區 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
5023.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
5025.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
你這是整死農民的農民在農地上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
5025.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
5027.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
一整塊農地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
5027.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
5028.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
他什麼時候他會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
5028.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
5030.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
一整地的時候他去撿嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
5030.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
5031.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
就算種西瓜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
5031.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
5033.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
裡面西瓜削不掉也有九頭嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
5034.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
5036.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
他會把九頭撿來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
5036.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
5039.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
他出的農村要出的農路嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
5039.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
5040.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
所以他一定會怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
5040.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
5042.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
他一定會有的地方好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
5042.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
5043.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
有的地方吞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
5043.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
5046.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
然後把那種沒有設計的九頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
5046.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
5048.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
他就撿做農路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
5048.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
5050.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
我說教練現在不要說現在就罰了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
5051.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
5053.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
原來的你們的施行細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
5053.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
5055.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
就有可能讓農民因為出版了二條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
5056.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
5058.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
被你們根據農法條例去處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
5058.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
5061.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
所以問題不是出在現在委員的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
5061.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
5063.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
出在我們農法條例當初二條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
5063.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
5066.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
忽略了剛剛我們說的這些情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
5066.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
5068.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
他說前一條農業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
5068.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
5070.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
這裡面包括農路喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
5070.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
5071.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
從事農業使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
5071.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
5073.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
農路也是從事農業使用喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
5073.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
5074.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
而有田土需要者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
5074.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
5076.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
農路要不要田 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
5076.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
5077.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
要田啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
5077.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
5081.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
你田土的土質應該適合農業種植農作物之土壤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
5083 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
5083.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
5084 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
5085 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
我事過於行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
5085 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
5086 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
事過於行內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
5086 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
5089 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
我要出農村才要出農路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
5089 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
5091 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
我已經是用九頭去吞了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
5091.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
5092.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
5092.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
5094.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
這你還規定要用什麼優質土壤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
5094.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
5096.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
所以顯然的問題不是出在什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
5096.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
5097.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
不是出在母法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
5097.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
5099.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
是出在施行細則當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
5099.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
5100.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
二條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
5100.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
5102.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
的確有在施行上有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
5102.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
5103.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
致害難行之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
5103.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
5106.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
所以或許我們應該要求農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
5106.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
5107.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
把二條之一的施行細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
5107.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
5108.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
好好的檢視一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
5108.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
5110.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
不然你二條之一講的農業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
5111.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
5112.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
水利用地算不算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
5112.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
5113.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
5114.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
5114.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
5115.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
5117.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
農業用地什麼算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
5117.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
5119.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
啊農路是做農業使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
5119.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
5120.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
5120.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
5121.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
啊做農業使用的農路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
5121.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
5122.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
不能用石頭去填 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
5122.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
5123.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
你告訴我用什麼填 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
5125.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
5127.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
不過這個在他們農法條例的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
5127.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
5129.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
八字一條第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
5129.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
5131.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
大概就有授權訂定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
5131.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
5134.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
因為你們在申請農業用地農業設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
5134.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
5136.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
容許使用審查辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
5136.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
5138.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
還有對這些農路什麼這些的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
5138.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
5140.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
有去做設施的審查規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
5140.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
5141.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
5141.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
5142.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
所以說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
5142.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
5144.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
他在八字一條第三項這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
5145.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
5146.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
就是因為有困擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
5146.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
5148.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
我們才會過來關心這個題目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
5148.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
5149.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
我想謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
5149.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
5151.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
我想我們的目標都是一次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
5151.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
5152.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
包括剛才委員講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
5152.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
5156.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
我從來沒有為反對而反對的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
5156.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
5157.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
那我這邊考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
5157.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
5160.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
我剛才一開始也特別提到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
5160.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
5162.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
因為填土的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
5162.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
5164.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
會有各種不同的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
5164.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
5166.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
那如果在摸法寫的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
5166.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
5167.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
就會很容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
5168.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
5170.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
就是把他鎖住了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
5170.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
5172.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
包括營建土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
5172.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
5174.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
那營建土石方經過土資廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
5174.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
5177.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
去萃出來的適合農地的土壤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
5177.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
5178.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
他還是可以用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
5178.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
5180.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
但是我也說過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
5180.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
5183.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
我們現在的實施細則二字一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
5183.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
5185.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
也應該要檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
5185.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
5187.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
而這個檢討是應該放在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
5187.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
5189.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
實施細則裡面去做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
5189.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
5191.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
更詳細的解釋跟分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
5191.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
5194.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
而不是說放在摸法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
5194.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
5196.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
我這邊只是建議說不要放在摸法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
5196.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
5197.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
放在實施細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
5197.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
5199.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
實施細則我們可以非常認真 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
5199.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
5201.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
再跟大家來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
5202.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
5204.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
好 今天長官委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
5207.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
5208.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
5210.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
5211.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
因為你現在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
5212.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
5214.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
施行細則農業發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
5214.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
5217.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
施行細則第二條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
5218.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
5219.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
最後一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
5220.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
5222.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
違反前項規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
5222.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
5226.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
就是前面的土石 砂石什麼那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
5226.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
5228.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
違反前項規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
5228.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].end |
5230.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].text |
因依本條例第69條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
5230.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].end |
5232.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
規定處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].start |
5233.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
5235.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
那69條是什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].start |
5235.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
5236.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
這是9條是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
5236.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
5239.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
你要用地違反7計劃法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
5239.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
5241.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
都市計劃法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
5242.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
5245.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
那它是不是所有你列舉的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
5246.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
5249.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
所寫的這些難道都是違反 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
5250.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
5252.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
7計劃法都是計劃法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
5252.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
5254.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
你要使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
5255.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
5256.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
你要列舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
5257.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
5261.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
所以就必須要涉及到要處罰各方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].start |
5261.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
5263.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].text |
那就要提升為法律的慰藉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].start |
5263.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
5266.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
的必要性就會產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
5266.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
5268.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
5270.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
5274.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
剛剛您提到69條的那個違反使用的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
5274.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
5276.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
違反土地使用的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
5276.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
5278.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
那違反土地使用規定還有非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
5278.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
5281.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
因為土地使用規定還有相關的法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
5281.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
5282.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
那它會共同去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
5282.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
5285.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
像包括廢青法現在又加重了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
5285.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
5289.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
那它填的東西如果是屬於廢青法管轄的部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
5289.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
5292.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
那就又違反了相關的相關的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
5293.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
5295.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
廢青法的一些條文裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
5295.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
5300.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
所以我們還會說一個土地被爛到了東西的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
5300.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
5304.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
它有非常多的墓地事業的法在去會罰它 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
5304.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
5307.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
而不是在農法條例這邊去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
5308.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
5310.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
就是因為這樣所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
5310.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
5312.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
民眾黨團的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].start |
5312.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].end |
5316.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].text |
除了在第十條之一增加這一條之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].start |
5317.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].end |
5322.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].text |
它連帶的在第69條也特別去明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].start |
5323.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].end |
5325.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].text |
這是一個連帶的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].start |
5326.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].end |
5331.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].text |
就是怎麼樣一定是一定是因為執行這麼多年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].start |
5331.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].end |
5336.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].text |
尤其是這幾年發現了這樣的一個實際的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].start |
5336.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].end |
5338.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].text |
實際的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].start |
5338.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].end |
5340.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].text |
然後法有不周圓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].start |
5340.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].end |
5342.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].text |
電在市場細則也不周圓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].start |
5343.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].end |
5345.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].text |
的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].start |
5345.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].end |
5347.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].text |
提升為法律的位階 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].start |
5347.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].end |
5349.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].text |
希望大家能夠支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].start |
5355.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].end |
5357.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].text |
主席我想這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].start |
5357.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].end |
5359.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].text |
這一條其實我們都認為在母法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].start |
5359.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].end |
5361.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].text |
或者是在你們施行細則裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].start |
5361.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].end |
5363.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].text |
其實就已經產生很大的落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].start |
5363.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].end |
5366.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].text |
我是不是具體建議這一條我們就先保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].start |
5366.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].end |
5369.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].text |
要不要把它放在母法或者是你的執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].start |
5369.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].end |
5371.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].text |
其實要同併修 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
5371.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].end |
5373.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].text |
這個我們會來支持好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].start |
5373.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].end |
5375.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].text |
那我建議是不是這一條我們就先保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].start |
5376.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].end |
5378.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].text |
我負荷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].start |
5386.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].end |
5388.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].text |
已經是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].start |
5387.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
5389.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].text |
會有知愛難行的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].start |
5389.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].end |
5392.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].text |
這個當然是抄你們的施行細則來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].start |
5392.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].end |
5396.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].text |
很顯然你們施行細則其實也是有大幅更動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
5397.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
5400.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].text |
空間喔所以我的建議是不是我們就先保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].start |
5401.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
5403.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].start |
5403.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
5405.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].text |
我是負荷我們邱委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].start |
5405.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].end |
5407.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].text |
其實問題不是出在母法啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].start |
5407.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
5409.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].text |
是出在執法啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].start |
5409.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].end |
5411.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].text |
我把母法唸一遍因為剛剛我們講的那件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].start |
5412.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
5414.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
我們的署長我們的部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
5414.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
5416.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
當時審計部的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].start |
5416.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
5418.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
監察院來就證的時候我們都一起開協調會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
5418.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].end |
5420.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].text |
我那時候還請審計部來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
5420.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].end |
5422.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].text |
後來我們農法條例修改了哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].start |
5422.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].end |
5424.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].text |
我們農法條例修改了第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].start |
5424.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].end |
5426.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].text |
第十款 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].start |
5427.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].end |
5429.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].text |
它裡面有三目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].start |
5429.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
5431.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
你把農法條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].start |
5431 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].end |
5433 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].text |
第三條第十款 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].start |
5433 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].end |
5435 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].text |
它寫農業用地包含了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].start |
5435.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].end |
5437.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].text |
包含了非都跟都市的農業區保護區 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].start |
5437.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].end |
5439.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].text |
一發使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].start |
5439.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].end |
5441.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].text |
做什麼使用做三個目的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].start |
5441.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].end |
5443.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].text |
有做農作的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].start |
5443.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].end |
5445.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].text |
有做森林的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].start |
5445.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].end |
5447.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].text |
有做養殖的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].start |
5447.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
5449.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].text |
有做畜牧的有做保育的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].start |
5448.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
5450.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].text |
然後最關鍵的是第二目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].start |
5450.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].end |
5452.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].text |
他說工農業經營不可分離之農舍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].start |
5454.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
5456.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
敘情色 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].start |
5456.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
5458.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].text |
倉儲設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].start |
5458.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
5464.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].text |
賽場集貨場農路灌溉排水及其他農用之土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].start |
5464.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].end |
5466.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].text |
我們很清楚農業有包括什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].start |
5466.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
5468.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].text |
有包括敘情色 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].start |
5467.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].end |
5469.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].text |
有包括養殖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].start |
5469.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].end |
5471.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].start |
5471.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].end |
5473.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].text |
然後農作物要有灌溉跟排水 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].start |
5473.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].end |
5475.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].text |
還有農路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].start |
5475.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].end |
5477.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].text |
這些都涵蓋在農業用地的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].start |
5477.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
5479.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].text |
結果你們的母馬農法條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].start |
5479.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].end |
5481.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
第三條第一項第十 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].start |
5481.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
5483.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].text |
第十款第一第二目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].start |
5483.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
5485.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].text |
這些都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
5485.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
5487.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].text |
都是農業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].start |
5487.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
5489.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].text |
結果你們在第二條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
5490.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].end |
5492.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].text |
你們在施行細則第二條之一寫了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
5493.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
5495.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
就寫說錢向農業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
5497.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
5499.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].text |
錢向農業用地就只能講東西含不嚷嚷的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].start |
5499.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].end |
5501.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].text |
在母馬裡面規定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
5501.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
5503.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].text |
都必須要填土需要時 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
5503.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
5505.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].text |
他填的土壤因為適合種植的農作物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
5505.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
5507.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].text |
請問一下如果我的農業用地我是做敘情色 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
5508.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
5510.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].text |
我那裡比較低我怕淹水 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
5510.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
5512.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].text |
我要填敘情色來蓋敘情色的土壤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
5512.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
5514.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
需要是要適合種植的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
5514.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
5516.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
所以問題不是出在農法條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
5516.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
5518.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
農法條例後來的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
5518.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
5520.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
已經符合貼近了我們農業生產現場的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
5520.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
5522.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
但是你們原來施行細則的二之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
5522.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
5524.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
沒有跟得動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
5524.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
5526.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
以至於他的含色範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
5526.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
5528.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
把我剛剛所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
5528.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
5530.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
那些農業用地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
5530.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].end |
5532.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].text |
通通狹隘著局限在農業種植的思考當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
5532.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
5534.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
通通狹隘著局限在農業種植的思考當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
5534.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
5536.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
通通狹隘著局限在農業種植的思考當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
5536.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
5538.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
所以我是建議符合我們邱委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
5538.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
5540.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
是不是請農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
5540.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
5542.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
去想一下你的施行細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
5542.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
5544.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
二之一條要怎麼幹 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
5544.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
5546.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
不是我們把一個不符合農法條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
5546.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
5548.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
第三條的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
5548.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
5550.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
施行細則二之一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
5550.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
5552.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
拿回來裝在我們的地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
5552.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
5554.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
六十條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
5554.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
5556.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
我是具體這樣建議去調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
5557.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
5559.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
來 楊瓊宇委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
5560.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
5562.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
部長 我們有時候思考議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
5562.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
5564.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
針對第十條之一的爭議有兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
5564.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
5566.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
針對第十條之一的爭議有兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
5567.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
5569.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
第一個 內容對執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
5570.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
5572.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
執行的成效會如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
5572.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
5574.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
有沒有什麼可通 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
5574.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
5576.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
或者是摯愛難行的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
5576.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
5578.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
明瞭說明的是這個 |
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5578.08 |
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5580.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
這是第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
5579.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
5581.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
第一個 我也覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
5581.56 |
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5583.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
將它列入某法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
5583.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
5585.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
跟你長期都在施行細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
5588.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
5590.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
你們的成效又是如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
5590.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
5592.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
因為到目前為止 |
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5592.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
5594.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
衍生了這麼多的社會議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
5595.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
5597.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
也因為技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
5597.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
5599.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
氣候等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].start |
5599.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].end |
5601.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].text |
情境條件的一個改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].start |
5601.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].end |
5603.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].text |
如果只依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].start |
5603.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].end |
5605.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].text |
目前你們的執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
5605.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
5607.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
施行細則來執行之 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].start |
5607.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
5609.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
難怪會出這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].start |
5609.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
5611.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
一個社會現象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
5611.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
5613.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].text |
那麼討論到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
5614.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
5616.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
我個人也非常認為就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].start |
5616.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
5618.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].text |
我們定法目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
5618.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
5620.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].text |
就是要讓執行者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].start |
5620.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
5622.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].text |
能夠執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
5621.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].end |
5623.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].text |
讓遵循者能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
5623.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
5625.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].text |
有法規可遵循 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
5625.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
5627.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].text |
這非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
5627.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
5629.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].text |
所以我要請教一個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
5630.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
5632.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
你也意識到在你的施行細則裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
5632.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
5634.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].text |
你是沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
5634.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
5636.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
去應對目前的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
5636.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
5638.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].text |
那請問已經這麼久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
5638.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].end |
5640.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].text |
你什麼時候可以把你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
5640.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
5642.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
施行細則你所具具要調整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
5642.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
5644.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
你提出來 請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
5644.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
5646.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].text |
你應該要給一個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
5646.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
5648.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].text |
要不然我們一直卡在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
5648.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
5650.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].text |
我們看到社會問題一直呈現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
5650.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
5652.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
這不行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
5651.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
5653.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
來 我教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].start |
5653.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
5655.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].text |
好 第一個部分我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
5655.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
5657.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
謝謝委員的一個提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
5657.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
5659.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
我剛才強調就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
5659.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
5661.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
我們要改 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
5661.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
5663.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
是實施細則裡面有非常多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
5663.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
5665.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
細目必須要去調整才能夠符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
5665.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
5667.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
現代的一個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
5667.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
5669.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
那實施細則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
5669.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
5671.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
你就是因為你施行細則不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
5671.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
5673.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
所以人家都已經要提出母法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
5673.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
5675.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
對不對 所以你要告訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
5675.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
5677.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
你認為不行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
5677.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
5679.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
我們一個月到兩個月就可以把它完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
5679.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
5681.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
一個月到兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
5681.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
5683.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
一個月到兩個月之間就可以把它提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].start |
5683.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].end |
5685.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].text |
那你一個月提出來嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
5685.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].end |
5687.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].text |
我們一個月把它提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].start |
5687.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
5689.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
那我是不是充分建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
5689.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
5691.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].text |
我覺得也不能停滯在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].start |
5691.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
5693.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].text |
因為這個問題不解決不行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].start |
5693.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].end |
5695.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].text |
所以我認為因為包刮帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].start |
5695.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
5697.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
69條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
5697.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
5699.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
後面的69條是依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
5699.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
5701.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
違反第10條之一的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
5701.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
5703.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
情況 所以這兩條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
5703.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
5705.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].text |
是不是你們就承諾喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].start |
5705.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
5707.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
在一個月內要提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
5707.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
5709.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].text |
你們的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].start |
5709.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
5711.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].text |
我個人認為這個是可以保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
5711.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
5713.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
送協商 就運用在這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
5713.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
5715.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
月內 我們去討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].start |
5715.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].end |
5717.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].text |
去調整 這樣好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].start |
5721.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].end |
5723.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
5723.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
5725.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].text |
我告訴你實在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].start |
5725.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].end |
5727.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
你的母法裡面把這個設死掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].start |
5727.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].end |
5729.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].text |
你施行細則的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].start |
5729.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].end |
5731.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].text |
你做出來不完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
5732.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
5734.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].text |
因為你們做這樣的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].start |
5734.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
5736.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
是在保護你自己 怕被人家攻擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
5736.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
5738.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
那我現在跟你講幾個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
5738.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
5740.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
你什麼叫做天然黏土 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].start |
5741.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
5743.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
什麼叫做四合龍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
5744.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
5748.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
四合龍就只有機制改良圖外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
5748.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
5750.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
沒有確切的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
5750.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
5752.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
我也跟你講實際地方的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
5753.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
5757.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
在台中以北如果挖地下室的那個土壤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].start |
5758.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
5760.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
在北部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
5759.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
5761.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
叫做四葉廢墟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
5761.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
5763.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
被抓到罰了很慘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].start |
5763.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
5765.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].text |
所以這些台北的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].start |
5765.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
5767.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
地下室挖的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
5767.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].end |
5769.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].text |
土方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].start |
5769.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
5771.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
都送到南部去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
5771.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
5773.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
南部縣政府認可 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
5773.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
5775.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
沒有事 一口兩字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].start |
5775.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
5777.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
你可能不知道這個情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
5778.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
5780.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
地下室 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
5779.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
5781.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
我跟你們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
5781.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
5783.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
你現在這種土方的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
5783.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
5785.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
天然的沿土外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
5785.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
5787.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
還在北那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
5787.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
5789.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
水土保存法去挖了一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].start |
5789.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
5791.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
你們就花錢了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].start |
5791.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
5793.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
百姓不管挖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
5793.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
5795.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
現在土方要添土的主要來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].start |
5795.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
5797.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
5797.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
5799.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
就是地下室的土方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
5799.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
5801.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
還有一個營建 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
5801.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
5803.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
廢棄物的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
5803.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
5805.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
資源在分類的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].start |
5805.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
5807.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
打脆了再分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
5807.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
5809.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
那個是可以用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].start |
5809.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
5811.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
但是你們就叫它巴西地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
5812.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
5814.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
我是跟你講地方時期的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
5814.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
5816.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
阿今次去跟你聊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
5816.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
5818.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
無法在你實行信水都沒有改 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
5820.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
5822.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
我確實發現一個很嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
5822.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
5824.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
台中以北都當作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
5824.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
5826.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
事業會居住 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
5825.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
5827.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
台中以南都當作一般土方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
5827.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
5829.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
兩種標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
5831.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
5833.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
讓大家無所遵循 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
5833.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
5835.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
很多人說南部怎麼會有北部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
5835.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
5837.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
我也覺得莫名其妙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
5837.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
5839.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
原來問題在這個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
5840.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
5842.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
他們當初講的不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
5843.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
5845.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
因為挖地下室的土方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
5845.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
5847.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
有很多是乾淨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
5847.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
5849.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
但是南美有一兩塊磚塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
5849.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
5851.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
你曉得警方會壓不住的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
5851.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
5853.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
只要一大片旅居裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
5853.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
5855.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
找出三四個磚塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
5855.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
5857.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
就說這個是廢棄物處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
5857.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
5859.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
就用廢棄物的方法來處罰百姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
5861.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
5863.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
哪裡有照顧老民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
5863.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
5865.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
黑市教育不敢當場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
5865.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
5867.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
不敢當場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
5867.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
5869.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
你們要做這樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
5869.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
5871.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
把它分裂得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
5871.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
5873.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
一有事的話你們就講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
5873.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
5875.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
我還不可以啊你怎麼可以這麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
5876.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
5878.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
這個問題確實很嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
5878.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
5880.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
不是要跟你爹辯論這裡有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
5881.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
5883.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
教官 略殘啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
5884.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
5886.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
你說去那邊 給我去那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
5888.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
5890.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
那個沿途來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
5890.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
5892.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
要帶他去你告訴我 拴你的沿途 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
5892.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
5894.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
我跟威翔報告天然沿途不是我寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
5894.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
5896.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
不是你寫的 以前的人教的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
5896.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
5898.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
你寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
5898.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
5900.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
這些委員的提議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
5900.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
5902.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
我就是沒什麼叫做天然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
5902.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
5904.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
立法院地下室的土是不是天然領土 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
5906.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
5908.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
經濟的裁定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
5908.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
5910.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
隨便你們講隨便你們寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
5910.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
5912.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
真的要撤離改革的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
5912.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
5914.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
拜託一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
5936.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
5938.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
好第十條之一的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
5938.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
5940.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
我們主席保留宋協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
5944.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
5946.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
現在一起唸吧 跟第69條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
5946.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
5948.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
一起保留宋協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
5948.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
5950.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
還有69條修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
5953.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
5955.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
修正動議是對取罰則而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
5955.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
5957.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
對準屠宰法的罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
5957.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
5959.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
那個部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
5959.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
5961.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
那你一個月內一定要提出喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
5961.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
5963.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
因為他跨了三個部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
5963.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
5967.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
一定要整體去做對照 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
5967.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
5973.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
我希望在法條協商期限結束之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
5973.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
5975.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
我們一定會提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
5975.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
5977.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
一個月嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
5977.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
5979.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
他提出他的方案啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
5985.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
5987.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
第十條之一跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
5987.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
5989.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
因為第69條還有修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
5989.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
5991.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
會連動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
5993.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
5995.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
好接下來我們進行第60條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
5998.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
6000.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
那我再跟各位委員複習一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
6000.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
6002.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
因為第60條我剛剛看過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
6002.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
6004.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
就是跟剛剛我們第 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
6004.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
6006.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
第三條的第19款的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
6006.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
6008.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
定義天然菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
6008.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
6010.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
還要訂到這邊來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
6010.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
6012.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
所以這邊就請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
6012.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
6014.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
剛剛應該有說明過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
6014.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
6016.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
對 都說過啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
6016.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
6018.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
還要再說明喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
6021.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
6023.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
第60條來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
6023.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
6025.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
為什麼要保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
6026.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
6028.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
現在改啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
6028.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
6030.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
我要跟委員報告喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
6030.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
6032.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
我當然都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
6032.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
6034.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
包括我們自己農業補給之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
6034.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
6036.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
一定是農民受到了一些天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
6036.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
6038.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
或您所關切的一些動物的影響的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
6038.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
6040.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
一定要想辦法去協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
6040.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
6042.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
可是相對的法一定的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
6042.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
6044.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
一定要他可執行性啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
6044.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
6046.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
那天然災害的部分是沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
6046.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
6048.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
我們很有經驗的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
6048.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
6050.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
那天然災害導致的病蟲害的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
6050.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
6052.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
我想我們也沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
6052.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
6054.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
可以去如果認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].start |
6054.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
6056.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
但是唯一的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
6056.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
6058.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
李委員提到動物性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
6058.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
6060.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
特別是野生動物的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
6060.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
6062.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
因為他的危害本身的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
6062.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
6064.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
跟他未來認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
6064.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
6066.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
這個我們大概已經花了兩個月的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
6066.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
6068.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
在內部討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].start |
6068.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
6070.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
也跟外界做溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
6070.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
6072.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
還沒有辦法有一個很明確的認定的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
6072.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
6074.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
因為沒有認定標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
6074.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
6076.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
就沒辦法執行啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
6076.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].end |
6078.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
所以我認為這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
6078.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
6080.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
我們把天然災害所引起的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
6080.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
6082.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
這個植物病蟲害的部分納入是OK的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].start |
6082.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
6084.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
但是如果把動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
6084.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].end |
6086.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
野生動物進去的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
6086.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
6088.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
那就會比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
6088.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
6090.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
還有保育動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
6090.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
6092.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
因為有的唯一寫保育動物啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
6092.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
6094.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
那猴子不是保育類的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
6094.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
6096.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
那就會有非常非常不同的動物出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
6096.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
6098.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
所以這個部分我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
6098.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
6100.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
動物的部分是不是可以先不放 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
6100.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
6102.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
放在這個條文裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
6106.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
6108.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
好 李一鯉委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
6126.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
6128.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
在什麼情況之下才會啟動這個救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
6128.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
6130.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
我們也請教過了很多農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
6130.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
6132.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
在座談會裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
6132.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
6134.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
每個人講話都不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
6135.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
6137.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
他是單塊田看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
6137.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
6139.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
還是普遍性的看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
6139.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
6141.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
每一個農民的想法都不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
6141.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
6143.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
所以這個部分是非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
6143.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
6145.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
就是要聚集成一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
6145.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
6147.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
有共識而且可執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
6147.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
6149.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
我說法一定要可執行啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
6149.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
6151.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
那現階段這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
6151.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
6153.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
還真的是很難處理 我們還在努力當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
6154.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
6156.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
主席我建議好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
6156.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
6158.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
因為你也找過專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
6158.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
6160.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
保育類的動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
6160.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
6162.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
不只是保育類 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
6162.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
6164.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
你剛剛講的還有猴子嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
6164.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
6166.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
這些你都請專家研究過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
6166.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
6168.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].text |
這個問題已經很久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
6168.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
6170.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
那可不可以一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
6170.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
6172.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
一個月內你們研究出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
6172.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
6174.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
我們先保留你研究出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
6174.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
6176.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
一個月可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
6179.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
6181.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].text |
一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
6181.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
6183.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].text |
我剛才說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
6183.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
6185.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].text |
像這個特別是比較重要的動物性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
6185.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
6187.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
危害我們一定要想辦法啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
6187.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
6189.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
一個機制去救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
6189.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
6191.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
我已經承諾這個 但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
6191.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
6193.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
我的問題是我在執行面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
6193.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
6195.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
還沒有辦法找到一個基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
6195.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
6197.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].text |
是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
6197.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
6199.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
這個一個月就動不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
6199.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
6201.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
這個基準有哪些動物會危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
6201.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
6203.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
這個都很明確了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
6203.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
6205.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
農民都清楚哪些動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
6205.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].end |
6207.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
專家也都清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
6207.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
6209.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
這就是動物的危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
6209.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
6211.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
很難去計算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
6211.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
6213.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].text |
因為天才不是說你一陣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
6213.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
6215.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
把年齡水果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
6215.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
6217.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
很要賠償 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
6217.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
6219.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
這個就沒完沒了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
6219.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
6221.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].text |
你們都會有專家在鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
6221.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
6223.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
都會去考核 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
6224.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
6226.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
這個就是我們有包括您講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
6226.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
6228.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
保育類動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
6228.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
6230.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
野生動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
6230.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
6232.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
那狗呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
6232.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
6234.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
因為也有一些地區不是被狗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
6234.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
6236.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
所以他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
6236.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
6238.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
通牌把列入來研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
6238.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
6240.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
每一個樣態是不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
6240.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
6242.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].text |
所以我說我們已經在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
6242.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].end |
6244.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].text |
但是一個月沒辦法把所有的動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
6244.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
6246.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
我覺得至少要三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
6246.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
6248.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
我覺得至少要三個月才能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
6248.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
6250.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
有一點可以去討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
6251.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
6253.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
陳聰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
6273.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
6275.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
危害的認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
6275.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
6277.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
栽損嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
6277.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
6279.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
你講的是栽損 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
6279.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].end |
6281.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].text |
好趕快研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
6281.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].end |
6283.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].text |
兩個月時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].start |
6283.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].end |
6285.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].text |
我覺得有困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].start |
6285.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].end |
6287.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].text |
那你三個月一定要有結果出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].start |
6287.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].end |
6289.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].text |
我上個月一定會有個版本給委員了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
6289.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].end |
6291.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].text |
我可以願意提一個專案報告來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
6291.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].end |
6293.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].text |
陳聰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].start |
6293.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].end |
6295.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].text |
世界情形沒你說的那麼困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
6296.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].end |
6298.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].text |
你知道狗在這裡是從外圍先吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].start |
6298.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].end |
6300.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].text |
吃飽了牠就不去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].start |
6300.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].end |
6302.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
那不飽再進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
6302.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].end |
6304.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].text |
所以我告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].start |
6304.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].end |
6306.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].text |
我都有去看過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
6306.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].end |
6308.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].text |
牠吃的話那水果是怎麼吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].start |
6308.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].end |
6310.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].text |
大概排一排就丟在地下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].start |
6310.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].end |
6312.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].text |
排一排牠又不能帶回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
6312.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].end |
6314.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].text |
我告訴你牠是用困的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].start |
6314.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].end |
6316.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].text |
你跟農民你把我一隻一隻的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].start |
6316.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].end |
6318.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].text |
收出來有一樣一隻一隻的沒一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
6318.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].end |
6320.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].text |
而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
6320.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].end |
6322.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].text |
活該的話喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
6322.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
6324.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].text |
不是很大大概你圍完出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
6324.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
6326.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
你去投資會很累啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
6326.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].end |
6328.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].text |
但是也是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
6328.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].end |
6330.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].text |
其實這個地方跟你天然災害比起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
6330.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].end |
6332.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].text |
只有一點點你這樣去計較 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
6332.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].end |
6334.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
6334.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
6336.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
那是你挑戰的沒有要檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
6336.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
6338.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
我告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
6338.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
6340.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
那是人家喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
6340.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
6342.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
抱歉告訴你保護動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
6342.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
6344.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
我來委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
6344.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
6346.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
我感覺你還兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
6346.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
6348.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
好啦給你兩個月啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
6348.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
6350.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
猴子真的也來明天來後天來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
6350.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
6352.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
你第二十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
6352.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
6354.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
6354.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
6356.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
農民做家庭家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
6356.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
6358.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
水產養殖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
6358.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
6360.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
你用這條來就可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
6360.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
6362.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
你說牠常常來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
6362.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
6364.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
牠吃的話沒有那麼嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
6364.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
6366.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
OK的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
6366.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
6368.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
農民會受不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
6368.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
6370.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
受害的固定外圍的那幾個地區啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
6372.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
6374.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
我曾經去看猴海喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
6374.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
6376.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
牠是整封給你吞掉了喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
6376.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
6378.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
吞掉那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
6378.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
6380.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
那個很明顯你都很難去救 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
6380.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
6382.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
牠不是每一顆全部把你摘喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
6382.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
6384.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
牠這一顆把你摘一格 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
6384.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
6386.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
所以我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
6386.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
6388.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
在看這個東西的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
6388.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
6390.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
至少要有個基準嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
6390.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
6392.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
不能說一顆嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
6392.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
6394.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
一顆也不會啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
6394.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
6396.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
一顆我們投小報就給農民了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
6396.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
6398.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
我是擔心未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
6398.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
6400.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
公所在查勘的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
6400.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
6402.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
沒有依據的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
6402.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
6404.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
是沒有辦法執行的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
6404.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
6406.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
楊瓊元委員在鄭天才委員之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
6406.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
6408.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
鍾嘉斌委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
6408.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
6410.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
這個喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
6410.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
6412.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
因為我一直在強調說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
6412.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
6414.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
我們為什麼一直說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
6413.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
6415.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
這個天然災害損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
6415.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
6417.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
以往沒有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
6417.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
6419.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
猴子沒有加入在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
6419.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
6421.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
6421.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
6423.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
我們現在意識到動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
6423.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
6425.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
牠跟人類越來越親越來越密切 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
6425.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
6427.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
進行啊什麼越來越密切 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
6427.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
6429.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
所以我們發覺到牠也有破壞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
6430 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
6432 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
因為有破壞的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
6432 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
6434 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
我覺得我們討論這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
6434 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
6436 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
應該是結果論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
6436.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
6438.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
不是哪一種動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
6438.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
6440.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
不是牠保育不保育 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
6440.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
6442.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
我們應該是在保護農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
6442.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
6444.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
牠的農損 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
6444.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
6446.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
比如說我們的天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
6446.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
6448.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
你超過了20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
6448.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
6450.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
我們都要去計算嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
6450.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
6452.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
你講的有一個標準嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
6452.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
6454.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
那牠就可以公布這個現金救助了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
6454.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
6456.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
那你應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
6456.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
6458.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
定一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
6458.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
6460.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
到底是標準要多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
6460.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
6462.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
你要比照 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
6462.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
6464.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
天然災害的這個20% |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
6464.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
6466.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
還是因為動物跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
6467.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
6469.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
整個氣候又不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
6469.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
6471.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
牠是有區塊的問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
6471.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
6473.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
牠不是整區的問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
6473.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
6475.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
牠集中在那裡啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
6475.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
6477.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
所以你應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
6477.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
6479.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
用農損的損害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
6479.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
6481.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
去來定你的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
6481.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
6483.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
我們在地方政府的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
6483.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
6485.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
各公所 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
6485.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
6487.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
區公所也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
6487.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
6489.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
鄉鎮公所 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
6489.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
6491.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
牠才有所依歸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
6491.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
6493.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
你要定的是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
6493.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
6495.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
而不是今天定猴子明天定什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
6495.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
6497.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
牠一直跑出來啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
6497.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
6499.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
螞蟻現在很嚴重啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
6499.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
6501.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
對不對 小鳥也很嚴重啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
6501.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
6503.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
小鳥跟你那裡吃一口 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
6503.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
6505.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
那裡吃一口 你是整顆都不硬了捏 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
6505.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
6507.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
就像你說的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
6507.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
6509.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
咖哇牠是整個自己吞吞去啊捏 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
6510.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
6512.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
對不對 你是應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
6512.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
6514.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
是定牠的農損 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
6514.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
6516.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
的一個標準 我個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
6516.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
6518.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
具體跟你建議你要定是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
6518.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
6520.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
你把複雜的事情要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
6520.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
6522.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
簡單化 因為你的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
6522.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
6524.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
鎖定目標 我就是要照顧農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
6525.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
6527.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
我的目標要照顧農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
6527.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
6529.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
要協助農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
6529.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
6531.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
補償也是補償農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
6531.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
6533.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
是這個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
6533.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
6535.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
那第二個是我自己所提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
6535.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
6537.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
我們現在你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
6537.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
6539.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
包括了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
6539.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
6541.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
現金救助的部分的那個金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
6542.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
6544.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
對不對 我每一年都一直 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
6544.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
6546.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
跟你在討論這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
6546.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
6548.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
你跟他把它定下來啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
6548.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
6550.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
你什麼時間 依照消費者指數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
6550.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
6552.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
6552.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
6554.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
然後你來公告知啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
6554.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
6556.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
當然本級的提案是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
6556.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
6558.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
如果是麻辣式的那就不要動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
6558.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
6560.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
啊那普拉斯的你當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
6560.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
6562.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
就要依照那個比例來做調整啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
6562.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
6564.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
要不然每一次我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
6564.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
6566.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
所有的委員 至少我個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
6566.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
6568.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
每一次都萬一碰到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
6568.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
6570.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
這個事情 最好不要碰到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
6570.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
6572.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
不可能不碰到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
6572.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
6574.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
每一年都要跟你討論這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
6574.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
6576.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
現在入不敷出啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
6576.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
6578.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
這個金額要怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
6578.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
6580.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
長久沒有調整 不可能啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
6580.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
6582.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
因為我們的農業成本越來越增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
6582.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
6584.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
所以要明定下來啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
6584.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
6586.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
這個是公道啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
6587.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
6589.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
謝謝委員喔 我剛才說的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
6589.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
6591.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
我們現在最困擾就是定那個基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].start |
6591.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
6593.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
那還有一件事情喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
6593.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].end |
6595.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].text |
就是他不像颱風 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
6595.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].end |
6597.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].text |
完了以後這一季我們就補補助了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
6597.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
6599.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
因為他可能這個月來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
6599.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
6601.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
他下個月又來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
6601.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
6603.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
然後他下個禮拜又來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
6603.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
6605.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
那樣連續性的部分我們怎麼樣去計算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
6605.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
6607.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].text |
所以我們現在正在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
6608.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
6610.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
討論這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
6638.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
6640.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
所以我們現在正在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
6640.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
6642.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
討論這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
6642.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
6644.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
所以我們現在正在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
6644.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
6646.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].text |
討論這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
6646.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
6648.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
所以我們現在正在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
6648.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
6650.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
討論這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
6650.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
6652.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
所以我們現在正在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
6652.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
6654.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].text |
討論這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
6654.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
6656.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].text |
所以我們現在正在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
6656.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
6658.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].text |
討論這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
6658.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
6660.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
所以我們現在正在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
6660.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
6662.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].text |
討論這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
6662.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
6664.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
所以我們現在正在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
6664.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
6666.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].text |
討論這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
6656.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].end |
6658.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
我那個金額你們在講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
6658.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
6660.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].text |
我那個金額你們在講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
6660.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
6662.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].text |
金額的部分喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
6662.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
6664.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
我給委員報告喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
6664.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].end |
6666.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
我應該給今年大幅調整的資料給您 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
6666.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].end |
6668.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
我們也看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
6668.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
6670.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
現在天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
6670.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
6672.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
我們每一年調一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
6672 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
6674 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
每一年調一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
6674.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
6676.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
20%平均拉到25% |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
6676.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
6678.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
20%平均拉到25% |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
6678.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
6680.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].text |
那第三個是有一些多年生的果樹 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
6680.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
6682.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
那第三個是有一些多年生的果樹 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
6682.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
6684.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
它可以符合第二次災害的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].start |
6684.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
6686.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].text |
所以我們有很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].start |
6686.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
6688.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
您看得到的我們也看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
6688.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
6690.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
所以我們一直在處理這個區塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].start |
6690.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
6692.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
而且是每一年調整的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
6692.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
6694.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
那很好啊每一年本席也是每一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
6694.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
6696.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
那你現在所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
6696.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
6698.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
跟本席的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
6698.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
6700.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
讓他明文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
6700.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
6702.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
那更好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
6702.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
6704.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
但是你不能用CPI |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
6704.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
6706.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
因為農業的生產層面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
6706.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
6708.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
不會每一項都是根據CPI在跑啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
6710.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].end |
6712.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
CPI是消費指數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].start |
6712.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].end |
6714.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].text |
那我們算的天然災害救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].start |
6714.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].end |
6716.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].text |
是用農業的生產成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].start |
6716.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].end |
6718.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
所以我們會調查農業生產成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].start |
6718.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].end |
6720.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
它跟CPI是沒有直接的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].start |
6722.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
6724.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
怎麼會沒有直接的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
6724.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
6726.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
你調查你的農業成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
6726.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
6728.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
本來就是你的本業要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].start |
6728.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].end |
6730.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
農業成本一定會影響到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].start |
6730.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].end |
6732.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].text |
消費端 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].start |
6732.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].end |
6734.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].text |
你不可能種起來不賣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].start |
6734.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
6736.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
我有的成本我高成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].start |
6736.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].end |
6738.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
當然我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].start |
6738.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].end |
6740.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].text |
所得獲取 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].start |
6740.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].end |
6742.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].text |
會減少也獲取會增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].start |
6742.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].end |
6744.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].start |
6744.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
6746.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
所以你要你現在做的好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].start |
6746.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].end |
6748.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
你要把你的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].start |
6748.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
6750.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].text |
因為每一年本席的意見就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].start |
6750.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].end |
6752.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].text |
你不要每一年我們講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].start |
6752.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].end |
6754.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].text |
你才來調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].start |
6754.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].end |
6756.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].text |
我上任以後是每一年都調喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].start |
6758.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].end |
6760.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].text |
你要去把它計算出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].start |
6760.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].end |
6762.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].text |
對我們生產成本每一年都會重新計算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].start |
6762.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].end |
6764.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].text |
重新去調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
6764.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
6766.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
我要做天才為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
6766.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
6768.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].text |
好有關這個第60條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].start |
6768.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
6770.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
討論了很久 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].start |
6770.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
6772.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].text |
事實上是從剛才 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].start |
6773.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
6775.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].text |
這個前面的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
6775.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
6777.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].text |
第19款的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].start |
6777.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].end |
6779.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].text |
就開始討論了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].start |
6779.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].end |
6781.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].start |
6780.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].end |
6782.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
農業不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
6782.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
6784.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
要特別去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].start |
6785.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
6787.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].text |
重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].start |
6787.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].end |
6789.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].text |
立法委員所提的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].start |
6790.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].end |
6792.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].text |
我們就講這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].start |
6792.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
6794.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
野生兔保義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].start |
6795 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].end |
6797 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].text |
所保育的這些動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
6797.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
6799.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
不只是我們李一林委員提 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].start |
6799.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
6801.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
其他委員也都有提 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].start |
6805.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
6807.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
事實上是產生了這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].start |
6807.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
6809.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
因為法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].start |
6810.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
6812.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
法律保障保育的這些動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].start |
6814.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].end |
6816.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
所以這些動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].start |
6816.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
6818.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
他到底要吃啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].start |
6818.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
6820.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
他當然要吃他當然就吃這些農作物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
6820.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
6822.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
就方便了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
6823.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
6825.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
有這樣的一個情形之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].start |
6826.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
6828.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
所以我們現在就是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
6828.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
6830.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
要去補助他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].start |
6830.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
6832.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
救助他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].start |
6832.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
6834.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
要去補助或救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].start |
6835.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
6837.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
或是其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].start |
6836.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
6838.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].start |
6838.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
6840.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
來去給他低利貸款還是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].start |
6841.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
6843.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
這裡面授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].start |
6843.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
6845.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
第一項就授權的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].start |
6845.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
6847.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
然後這個要怎麼去補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
6847.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
6849.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
6848.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
6850.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
這個補助授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
6850.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
6852.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
也是授權裡面的補助辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
6854.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
6856.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
所以你剛剛講的那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
6856.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
6858.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
都可以在補助辦法去思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
6859.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
6861.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
到底是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
6861.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
6863.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
你剛剛講說要一顆還是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
6863.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
6865.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
還是要等個面積 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
6864.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
6866.85 |
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你就在補助辦法裡面去思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
6866.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
6868.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
怎麼樣讓地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
6868.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
6870.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
政府在執行的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
6871.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
6873.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
能夠方便能夠快 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
6875.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
6877.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
最重要的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
6877.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
6879.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
讓農民因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
6880.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
6882.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
國家的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
6882.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
6884.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
保護了這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
6886.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
6888.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
所以應該要補償 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
6888.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
6890.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
要補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
6889.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
6891.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
要救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
6890.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
6892.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
這個都是合理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
6893.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
6895.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
6895.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
6897.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
我還是很誠心的希望農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].start |
6898.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
6900.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
能夠救 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
6900.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
6902.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
因為好幾個的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
6902.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
6904.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
你們綜合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
6904.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
6906.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
包括剛才講的第19款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
6906.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
6908.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
也一併納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
6908.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
6910.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
看怎麼樣去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
6910.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
6912.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
修得會更完善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
6913.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
6915.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
應該是朝這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].start |
6915.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
6917.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
而不是全部計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
6919.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
6921.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
中嘉賓委員在陳超明委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
6923.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
6925.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
6925.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
6927.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
6926.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
6928.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
6928.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
6930.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
部長我是覺得部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
6929.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
6931.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
我們在面對委員的提案的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
6931.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
6933.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
其實要了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
6933.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
6935.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
委員的提案一定有他所本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
6936.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
6938.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
那可能有些問題的釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
6938.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
6940.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
在法治化的分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
6940.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
6942.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
我們可以予以說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
6942.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
6944.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
但是委員絕對不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
6944.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
6946.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
要去一定是反應民眾的心聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
6946.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
6948.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
那因此我們也請行政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
6948.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
6950.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
要從善如流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
6950.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
6952.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
在我看來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
6952.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
6954.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
旅委員這個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
6954.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
6956.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
老實說啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
6956.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
6958.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
我也沒有覺得有什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
6958.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
6960.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
摯愛難行之處啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
6960.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
6962.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
但是我們剛剛把一些問題給混淆了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
6962.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
6964.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
我們本來是從第3條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
6964.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
6966.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
跑到所謂的天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].start |
6966.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
6968.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
那剛剛有人提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
6968.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
6970.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].text |
那天然災害到底要從哪一個法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
6970.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
6972.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
來援引 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
6972.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
6974.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
災防法沒有天然災害這個規類 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
6975.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
6977.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
災防法只有災害的類型 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
6977.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
6979.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
但是他的災害類型 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
6979.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
6981.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].text |
跟我們這個天然災害救助辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
6983.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].end |
6985.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].text |
天然災害是規定的比較詳細 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
6985.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].end |
6987.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].text |
所以當委員在關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].start |
6987.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].end |
6989.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
農民受天然災害的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
6989.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].end |
6991.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].text |
他當然會去援引 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
6991.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].end |
6993.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].text |
我們的事情系 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
6993.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].end |
6995.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
就是我們天然災害救助辦法裡面的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
6995.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
6997.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
不然如果回到災防法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
6997.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].end |
6999.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
我這把問題不是要發散 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
6999.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].end |
7001.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].text |
但是災防法裡面農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].start |
7001.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].end |
7003.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
要負責的什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
7003.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].end |
7005.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].text |
農業部負責的有寒害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
7004.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].end |
7006.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].text |
那請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
7005.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].end |
7007.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
含害有在我們目前災防法的災害類型嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
7009.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
7011.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
沒有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
7011.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
7013.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
含害土石流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
7013.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
7015.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
大規模的崩塌災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
7015.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].end |
7017.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
森林火災 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
7017.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].end |
7019.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
動植物的疫災 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
7019.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
7021.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
這些是寫在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
7021.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
7023.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
那不是天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
7023.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
7025.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
所以我就是說為什麼談天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
7025.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
7027.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
我們不適合去援引災防法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
7027.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
7029.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
所以請部長你不要焦慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
7029.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
7031.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
不要急 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
7031.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
7033.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
我們在講的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
7033.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
7035.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
至少我的邏輯很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
7035.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
7037.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
我現在就說如果援引災防法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
7037.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
7039.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
目前的這些條項不是援引災防法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
7039.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
7041.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
不是援引災防法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
7041.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
7043.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
災防法也不適合對於農作的天然災害來援引 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
7045.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
7047.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
這點是很清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
7047.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
7049.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
所以不要急著去反駁委員的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
7049.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
7051.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
我們再告訴你釐清問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
7051.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
7053.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
災防法裡面的災害類型 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
7053.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
7055.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
在前條它有寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
7054.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
7056.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
然後如果真的要談到農業部的職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
7056.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
7058.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
就我剛剛講的那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
7058.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
7060.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
那些也不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
7060.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
7062.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
災防法當中的用詞的災害項目當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
7064.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
7066.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
7066.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
7068.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
含害、土石流、大規模的崩塌災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
7068.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
7070.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
這些才會屬於到農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
7070.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
7072.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
但是這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
7072.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
7074.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
有大規模的崩塌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
7074.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
7076.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
不見得是天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
7076.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
7078.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
所以農業部你們太太 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
7078.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
7080.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
盡量去做辦法的確把天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
7080.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
7082.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
定義的比較符合農業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
7082.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
7084.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
經營所遇到的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
7084.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
7086.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
所以你們應該要去支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
7086.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
7088.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
李玉琳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
7088.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
7090.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
把所謂的農法條例當中的天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
7090.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
7092.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
它的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
7092.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
7094.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
這些項目你們實施以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
7094.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
7096.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
有沒有增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
7096.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
7098.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].text |
有沒有減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
7098.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
7100.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].text |
你們的天然災害救助辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
7100.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
7102.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
定出來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
7102.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
7104.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
這些都已經涵蓋了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
7104.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
7106.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
那麼委員主張把執法的天然災害定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
7106.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
7108.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
寫在母帽裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
7108.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
7110.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
並沒有自愛難行啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
7110.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
7112.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
所以你剛剛講的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
7112.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
7114.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
有一點不能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
7114.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
7116.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
你說你有第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
7116.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
7118.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
7115.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
7117.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
專案認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
7117.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
7119.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
母帽這樣寫沒有妨礙到你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
7119.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
7121.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
救助辦法去專案認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
7122.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
7124.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
所以不要因為我們行政官僚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
7124.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
7126.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
千萬不要因為說我們委員的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
7126.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
7128.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
跟你們意見不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
7128.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
7130.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
你們就把我們的意見打成說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
7130.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
7132.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
這個是不需要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
7132.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
7134.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
法的體力獲取委員的本意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
7134.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
7136.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
跟法的體力有些出入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
7136.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
7138.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
但是我們本意是好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
7138.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
7140.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
所以李玉琳委員這裡面把天然災害裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
7140.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
7142.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
援引你們救助辦法當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
7142.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].end |
7144.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].text |
強烈 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
7144.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].end |
7146.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
所以你會告訴我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
7146.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
7148.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
有些災害以後可能會沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
7148.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
7150.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
你定在母法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
7148.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
7150.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
在後面已經不見了我母法有沒有妨礙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
7151.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
7153.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
7152.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
7154.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
項目有跑出新的類型 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
7154.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
7156.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
也不影響啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].start |
7156.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
7158.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
因為你們還有專案認定嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
7157.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
7159.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
所以不要一味的去排斥委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
7159.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
7161.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
基於民眾需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].start |
7161.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
7163.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
所反應的這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
7163.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
7165.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].start |
7164.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
7166.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
剛剛把問題搞混了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].start |
7166.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].end |
7168.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].text |
委員的辦法寫的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
7168.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
7170.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
野生動物保護法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
7170.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
7172.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
鎖定保育類野生動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
7172.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
7174.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
剛剛委員在提的哪一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
7174.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
7176.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
受害是屬於保育類野生動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
7176.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
7178.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
沒有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
7178.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
7180.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
台灣名牌是不是不是嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
7180.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
7182.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
梅花鹿是不是不是嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
7182.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
7184.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
更不要說綠烈溪了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
7184.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
7186.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
現在我們遇到的各種的受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
7186.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
7188.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
其實綠烈溪應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].start |
7188.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
7190.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
不知道算不算受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
7190.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
7192.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
他是爬蟲類啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
7192.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
7194.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
好這些呂委員的提案當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
7194.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
7196.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
為什麼要請你們針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].start |
7196.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
7198.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
野包法的保育類野生動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
7198.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
7200.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
所造成的損害去對農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
7200.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
7202.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
視同天然災害的救助辦法去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
7202.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
7204.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
補償 為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].start |
7204.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
7206.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].text |
因為野包法是你們負責的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].start |
7206.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].end |
7208.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
野包法的保育類野生動物是你們定義的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
7208.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
7210.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
你們林保署在這裡嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
7210.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].end |
7212.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].text |
就是你農業部定義的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
7212.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
7214.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
農業部基於整個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
7214.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
7216.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
負責你們機關的任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
7216.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
7218.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
要對整個大自然的自然生態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
7218.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
7220.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
這些野生動物要保育 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
7220.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
7222.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].text |
他病因絕種要保育 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
7222.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
7224.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].text |
那基於保育是基於整個社會的公法意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
7224.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
7226.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
但是當公法意跟市法意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
7226.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
7228.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
有侵犯的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
7228.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
7230.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
你要補償嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
7230.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
7232.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
假如說今天梅花鹿是我們要保育的野生動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
7232.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
7234.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
要絕種了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
7234.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
7236.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
我們農民種的黑豆被他啃食了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
7236.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
7238.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
甚至造成我們肯定國家公園 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
7238.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
7240.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
那些稀有的林相 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
7240.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
7242.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].text |
被他啃食了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
7244.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
7246.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
那你要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
7246.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
7248.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
兩邊都要保育啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
7248.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
7250.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
那當然你們野保法當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
7250.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
7252.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
為什麼對保有不要的野生動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
7252.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
7254.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
跟農民的衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
7254.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
7256.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
很多是來自於棲地嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
7255.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
7257.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
可能他這個棲地縮小 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
7257.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
7259.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
以至於病因絕種 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].start |
7259.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
7261.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
你要復育 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].start |
7261.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
7263.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].text |
那他復育之後他的棲地不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].start |
7263.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
7265.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
他就要往外擴張 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
7265.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
7267.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
擴張就進入到農民的已開發地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
7267.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
7269.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
那如果你們認為為了要讓他繼續生存下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
7269.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
7271.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
難免會侵犯到農民已經開發的地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
7271.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
7273.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
那當然要給農民補償嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
7274.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
7278.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
不然的話你就是限制到棲地不要侵犯到農民已開發土地嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
7278.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
7280.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
這個是野生類的保育動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
7280.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
7284.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
他的棲地跟農民已開發的農業用地之間的衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
7284.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
7286.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
這個衝突是農業部可以調試的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
7287.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
7289.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
所以農業部要去對這個部分進行調試 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
7289.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
7291.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
要不你就認為這個已經很多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
7291.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
7293.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
沒包爐很多了不用保育了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
7293.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
7295.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
那農民可能怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
7295.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
7297.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
農民就可以補砂嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
7297.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
7299.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
那你補砂動保團又抗議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
7299.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
7301.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
動保團也搞不出這是保育類 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
7301.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
7303.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
他已經富裕到不需要保育了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
7303.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
7305.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
澳洲的袋鼠都有在補砂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
7306.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
7308.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
有沒有 有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
7307.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
7309.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
那澳洲的袋鼠是不是袋鼠說很可愛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
7309.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
7310.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
澳洲的象徵 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
7310.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
7312.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
那澳洲政府有禁止農民去補砂嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
7313.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
7317.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
也是因為為了農民的農業設施的農業的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
7317.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
7322.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
他也開放給農民去限制這些已經不是保育類的野生動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
7322.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
7323.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
一定的數量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
7324.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
7326.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
那農民現在是不知道要怎麼搞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
7326.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
7328.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
可以啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
7328.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
7330.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
可以但是農民有沒有事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
7330.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
7332.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
台灣是槍支管制的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
7334.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
7336.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
猴子很難處理啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
7335.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
7337.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
綠烈溪我們現在是開放補砂嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
7337.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
7339.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
那目前開放補砂用什麼工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
7341.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
7343.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
用什麼工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
7344.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
7346.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
用繩索補捉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
7346.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
7348.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
用彈弓補捉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
7348.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
7351.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
對不對 甚至我們地方政府還有開班 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
7351.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
7353.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
告訴這些合格的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
7353.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
7355.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
訓練他怎麼去捕捉綠烈溪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
7355.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
7357.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
甚至有人主張找射擊國手來打 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
7357.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
7359.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
你們農業部林包署也有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
7359.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
7361.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
林包署可以起來回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
7361.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
7363.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
林包署是不是有買獵槍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
7363.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
7365.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
買了獵槍之後花那麼多錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
7365.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
7367.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
有沒有獵手 有沒有獵人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
7367.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
7369.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
你們開放獵人用獵槍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
7369.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
7371.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
買了獵槍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
7371.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
7373.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
徵集獵人去打綠烈溪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
7374.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
7376.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
效果其實沒有很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
7377.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
7380.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
所以其實這個觀念不要混在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
7380.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
7382.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
旅委員的版本講的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
7382.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
7384.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
保育類的野生動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
7384.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
7386.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
是政府明文要保障的公法役 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
7386.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
7388.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
當這個公法役侵犯到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
7388.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
7390.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
跟人民的司法有衝突的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
7390.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
7392.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
你主管機關你要進行救助跟補償嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
7393.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
7394.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
不然你就說這不用保育了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
7394.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
7395.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
這太多了不用保育 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
7395.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
7397.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
那盡量的保育 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
7397.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
7399.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
那農民的 他的棲地跟農民的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
7399.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
7401.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
開育肯定地產生的衝突重疊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
7401.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
7403.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
他的破壞農作的行為要不要救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
7403.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
7405.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
我是認為要救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
7405.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
7407.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
所以我認為旅委員的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
7407.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
7408.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
其實在我看來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
7408.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
7409.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
你們好好地思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
7409.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
7411.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
並沒有所謂的自害難行不當之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
7411.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
7412.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
7412.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
7413.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
我先稍微說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
7413.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
7415.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
這個非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
7415.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
7416.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
旅委員的版本裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
7416.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
7417.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
他是指的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
7417.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
7419.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
野生動物保護法所訂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
7419.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
7420.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
保育類野生動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
7420.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
7422.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
那我在講的部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
7422.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
7423.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
真正的遇到天然障礙的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
7423.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
7424.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
不是保育類動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
7424.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
7425.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
猴子不是保育類動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
7425.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
7427.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
山豬不是保育類動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
7429.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
7430.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
7430.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
7432.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
我是在強調就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
7432.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
7434.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
在立這個法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
7434.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
7437.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
只寫到野生動物的保育類動物的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
7437.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
7440.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
沒有辦法解決現在農民所遭遇的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
7440.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
7442.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
我承認的就是這個而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
7442.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
7443.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
但是那沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
7443.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
7445.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
委員沒有要求你去做你的問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
7445.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
7446.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
那部長的意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
7446.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
7447.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
保育拿掉就可以是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
7447.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
7448.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
7448.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
7449.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
所以我才會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
7449.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
7450.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
我才會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
7450.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
7451.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
7451.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
7452.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
7452.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
7453.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
委員所訂的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
7453.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
7455.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
也是為了減少農民損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
7455.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
7457.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
我只是回應現況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
7457.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
7460.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
其實呂委員的版本目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
7460.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
7461.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
並沒有要求你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
7461.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
7463.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
針對非保育類野生動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
7463.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
7464.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
要進行救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
7466.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
7467.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
7467.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
7469.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
委員講的受害有很多種 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
7469.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
7471.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
呂委員只針對保育類野生動物造成的受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
7471.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
7472.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
你要救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
7472.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
7474.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
其他委員關心的受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
7474.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
7475.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
彌猴的受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
7475.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
7476.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
梅花鹿的受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
7476.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
7477.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
那些的受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
7477.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
7479.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
那你們怎麼去調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
7479.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
7480.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
委員說了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
7480.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
7481.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
三個月提出一個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
7481.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
7482.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
這樣子啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
7482.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
7485.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
那個第60條有幾個議案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
7486.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
7490.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
第一個就是農損的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
7490.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
7492.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
它有保育跟非保育動物類別 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
7494.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
7497.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
但是我們大家一致的共同目標就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
7497.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
7498.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
只要是農損 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
7499.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
7500.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
有達到我們的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
7500.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
7502.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
政府應該要協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
7502.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
7504.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
這是大家達成一個共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
7504.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
7507.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
那所以至於文字上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
7507.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
7508.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
既然我們的目標一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
7508.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
7510.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
那文字上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
7510.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
7512.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
我就充分建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
7512.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
7514.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
就跟這個第10條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
7515.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
7518.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
第1條跟第69條一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
7518.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
7520.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
我們就是一個月你們提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
7520.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
7521.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
7522.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
7523.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
我們送出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
7523.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
7525.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
然後協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
7525.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
7527.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
那趁著這個一個月的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
7527.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
7530.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
請行政部門去提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
7530.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
7532.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
因為目標都已經一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
7532.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
7533.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
那這個部分另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
7533.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
7535.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
也就是我非常在意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
7535.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
7539.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
我們每一年的現金救助的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
7540.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
7541.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
不管是農業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
7542.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
7544.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
所產生的成本成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
7544.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
7546.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
或者是CPI的成本成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
7546.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
7548.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
這些我們的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
7548.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
7551.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
是依據什麼每一年去做調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
7551.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
7555.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
我認為必須要去把它列出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
7555.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
7557.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
那我充分建議主席臺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
7557.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
7558.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
各位同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
7558.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
7560.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
跟行政部門就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
7560.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
7562.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
這一個大家好不容易討論這麼久 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
7562.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
7564.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
已經達成共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
7564.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
7565.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
我再重複講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
7565.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
7567.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
也就是只要是農損的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
7567.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
7569.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
不管你是保育類 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
7570.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
7571.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
保護類 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
7571.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
7574.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
或者是一般動物影響農損 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
7574.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
7575.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
我們結果論就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
7575.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
7578.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
農損的我們是要補助給農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
7578.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
7581.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
那另外就是本席所提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
7581.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
7583.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
現金救助的標準來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
7583.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
7585.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
要依據什麼去訂定資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
7585.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
7588.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
我認為這個必須要說明清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
7588.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
7590.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
因為我們大家都贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
7590.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
7591.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
農民這麼辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
7591.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
7592.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
不是去吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
7592.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
7594.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
不是每年來拜託來賓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
7594.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
7595.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
不必要這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
7595.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
7597.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
你給他一個合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
7597.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
7598.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
大家都歡喜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
7598.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
7599.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
7599.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
7600.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
所以充分建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
7600.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
7601.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
一樣是一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
7601.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
7602.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
你們去提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
7602.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
7604.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
我們趁著這個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
7604.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
7605.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
大家好好來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
7605.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
7606.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
7607.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
7611.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
我剛也要處理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
7611.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
7612.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
因為剛剛李永維 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
7612.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
7614.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
那三個月我是不同意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
7614.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
7615.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
因為我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
7617.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
7618.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
三個月的什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
7618.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
7620.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
那個寫出那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
7620.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
7621.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
7621.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
7622.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
7622.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
7624.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
我是要一個月的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
7624.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
7625.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
為什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
7625.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
7626.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
這個在我們當初 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
7626.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
7628.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
在做土產法律修改 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
7628.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
7629.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
就已經跟你們農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
7629.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
7632.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
就已經同步都是一併溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
7632.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
7634.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
然後溝通了那麼久 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
7634.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
7635.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
我們經濟部的所有的土壤 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
7635.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
7636.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
都已經過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
7636.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
7637.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
三讀都過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
7637.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
7639.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
今天還在討論這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
7639.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
7641.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
你們又自己又沒有版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
7642.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
7644.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
然後前面兩次溝通也說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
7644.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
7645.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
你們都開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
7645.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
7646.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
但沒結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
7647.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
7648.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
7648.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
7649.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
所以我不要再這樣子拖延 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
7649.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
7650.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
我在科技業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
7650.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
7651.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
我受不了這一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
7653.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
7654.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
7654.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
7656.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
好我們用這個保留條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
7656.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
7657.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
送出協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
7657.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
7659.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
一個月指的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
7659.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
7660.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
7660.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
7661.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
協商很痛奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
7661.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
7662.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
我現在是保留條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
7662.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
7663.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
OK保留條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
7663.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
7665.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
那我剛才講的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
7666.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
7668.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
我會針對裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
7668.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
7671.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
可能天然災害受影響的這些種類 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
7671.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
7673.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
我把它更明確的講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
7673.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
7675.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
但是不是在以後的執行面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
7675.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
7677.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
執行面是另外一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
7677.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
7678.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
就是針對法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
7678.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
7680.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
該怎麼樣去放的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
7680.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
7683.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
我可以提出一個內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
7688.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
7690.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
所以我覺得這60條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
7690.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
7692.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
我們這樣訂的沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
7692.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
7693.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
應該是可以過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
7693.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
7695.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
它只是在它的執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
7695.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
7697.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
它的執行辦法裡面去訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
7697.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
7698.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
該怎麼去執行而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
7699.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
7700.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
這不影響啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
7701.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
7703.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
我們現在就先暫時休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
7703.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
7704.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
如果沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
7704.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
7706.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
因為剛剛還包含楊全委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
7706.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
7707.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
鄭天才委員的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
7707.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
7710.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
還有天然災害防護的認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
7710.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
7712.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
所以我是認為是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
7712.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
7713.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
根據各位的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
7713.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
7714.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
我們先休息一下好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
7714.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
7715.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
等一下再跟各位講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
7722.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
7723.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
7728.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
7729.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
我的還沒過啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
7729.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
7730.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
我的還沒有過啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
7730.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
7731.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
怎麼過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
7732.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
7733.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
我的它還沒有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
7734.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
7735.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
好啦 就一個月啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
7737.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
7738.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
主席這個60條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
7738.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
7739.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
有好幾個理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
7739.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
7741.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
可以讓我休息五分鐘上廁所 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
7742.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
7743.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
這個就是保留啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
7743.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
7745.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
不是 這每個委員的都保留嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
7745.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
7746.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
不是我這一條而已啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
7746.7 |
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7747.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
7747.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
7748.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
好啦 一起保留好了 |
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7748.7 |
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7749.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
一起保留啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
7749.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
7750.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
因為你知道它野生端娃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
7750.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
7752.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
還有那個秋志偉招尾的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
7752.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
7753.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
可是一個月後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
7753.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
7755.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
它要有明確的定義出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
7755.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
7756.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
當然啊 不然我們就 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
7756.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
7757.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
我們都無法去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
7757.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
7758.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
不要又告訴我們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
7758.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
7759.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
要用執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
7760.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
7761.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
對 不然我就收山竹啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
7761.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
7763.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
一定要修好去執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
7763.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
7764.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
不是推到執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
7767.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
7768.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
對啊 不然我們就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
7768.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
7769.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
其他人往自己弄 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
7769.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
7770.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
我們就山竹了啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
7773.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
7774.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
7774.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
7776.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
還是我們把第65條弄完 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
7776.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
7778.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
再休息五分鐘好了 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
7782.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
7784.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
我們只剩65條之一啦 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
7785.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
7786.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
我才等一下啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
7786.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
7788.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
那個 中央電話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
7789.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
7790.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
7790.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
7791.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
第65條弄完這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
7791.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
7793.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
讓它再休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
7793.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
7795.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
阿林 秋志偉偉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
7800.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
7801.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
第65條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
7806.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
7807.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
現在是65條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
7818.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
7820.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
中央電話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
7821.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
7822.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
其他的一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
7825.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
7826.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
我們先保留好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
7826.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
7827.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
它一變反 跟一個月沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
7827.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
7828.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
我們一定處理 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
7832.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
7834.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
剛剛農業部是不是接受69條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
7834.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
7835.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
65之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
7835.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
7837.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].text |
65之一可以接受嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
7837.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
7839.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
對 只是最後一個並訂定相關辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
7839.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
7840.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
可以不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
7840.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
7841.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
好不容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
7841.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
7842.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
我們今天休息之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
7842.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
7844.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
有一個行政院可以接受的吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
7846.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
7847.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
沒有關係嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
7847.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
7849.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
這一條至少讓它先過嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
7849.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
7850.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
65條嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
7850.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
7851.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
60條之一嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
7853.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
7855.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
後半段改一下嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
7855.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
7856.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
那這好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].start |
7856.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
7858.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
行政機關你們把文字修一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].start |
7858.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
7859.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
我們待會休息完 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
7859.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
7860.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].text |
我們就讓它過嘛 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
7862.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
7863.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
我們今天休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
7864.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
7866.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
就這一條你休息一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
7866.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
7867.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
看其他委員的意見 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
7867.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].end |
7868.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
休息五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
7935.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].end |
7936.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
7937.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
7938.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
休息五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
7938.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].end |
7939.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
7950.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].end |
7952.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
7959.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
7961.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
7960.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
7961.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
7965.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
7966.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
7966.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
7968.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
7994.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
7995.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
7997.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
7998.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
7998.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
8000.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
8005.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
8007.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
8009.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
8010.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
8018.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
8020.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
8025.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
8026.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
8046.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
8048.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
8055.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
8056.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
8062.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
8064.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
8078.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
8079.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
8079.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
8080.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
晚安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
8082.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
8083.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
但是不是你的 我這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
8083.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
8084.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
水寶的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
8084.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
8085.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
水寶的 我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
8085.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
8086.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
水寶你的 對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
8086.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
8087.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
水寶你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
8087.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
8088.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
等一下我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
8088.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
8089.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
要先到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
8089.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
8090.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
要先到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
8090.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
8092.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
那邊就不會動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
8094.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
8097.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
我不能多做東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
8098.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
8099.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
8099.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
8100.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
8100.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
8101.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
8101.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
8102.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
8102.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
8103.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
8103.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
8104.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
8104.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
8105.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
8105.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
8106.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
8106.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
8107.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
8107.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
8108.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
8108.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
8109.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
8109.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
8110.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
8110.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
8111.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
8111.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
8112.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
8112.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
8113.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
8113.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
8114.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
8114.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
8115.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
8115.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
8116.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
8116.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
8117.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
8117.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
8118.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
8118.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
8119.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
8119.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
8120.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
8120.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
8121.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
8121.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
8122.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
8122.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
8123.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
8123.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
8124.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
8124.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].end |
8125.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
8125.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].end |
8126.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
8126.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
8127.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
8100.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
8101.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
我去拿火機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
8102.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
8104.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
新聞稿啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
8112.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
8114.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
8121.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
8123.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
你們不是用戴著保險的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
8132.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
8133.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
8133.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
8135.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
8150.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
8151.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
8155.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
8157.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
8157.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
8158.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
8158.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
8160.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
8160.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
8161.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
8174.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
8175.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
8177.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
8178.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
不堅持啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
8178.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
8179.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
但是如果大家沒有反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
8179.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
8180.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
也不可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
8180.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
8181.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
因為那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
8181.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
8182.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
你跟他講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
8182.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
8183.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
因為那個海洋 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
8309.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
8310.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
8312.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
8313.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
8319.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
8321.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
8321.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
8322.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
其實也要交易啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
8329.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
8331.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
8331.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
8333.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
8335.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
8337.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
8337.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
8339.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
8351.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
8352.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
8352.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
8353.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
8353.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
8354.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
會跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
8354.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
8356.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
會還是一樣的做啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
8356.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
8357.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
對 還是要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
8357.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
8359.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
8369.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
8371.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
8381.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
8383.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].start |
8383.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
8384.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
8387.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
8388.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
8398.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
8400.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].start |
8402.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].end |
8403.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].start |
8408.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].end |
8409.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].start |
8418.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].end |
8420.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].start |
8426.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].end |
8427.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].text |
好啦 一個月體重 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].start |
8433.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].end |
8434.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
8434.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
8435.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].start |
8436.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].end |
8437.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
8438.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
8439.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
8439.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
8440.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
8440.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
8441.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
8441.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
8442.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].start |
8442.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].end |
8443.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
8445.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
8446.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].start |
8446.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].end |
8447.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].start |
8447.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
8448.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].start |
8448.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
8449.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].start |
8449.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
8450.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
8449.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].end |
8451.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
8454.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].end |
8456.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
8476.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
8478.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].start |
8481.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].end |
8482.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
8483.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].end |
8484.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
8486.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
8487.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
8513.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
8514.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
8524.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].end |
8526.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
8526.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
8527.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
8535 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
8536 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].start |
8538.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].end |
8539.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].text |
我們繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].start |
8543.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].end |
8545.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].text |
那第65條之1的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].start |
8547.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].end |
8548.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].text |
主席我才是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].start |
8548.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].end |
8550.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].text |
因為就是我們這邊沒到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].start |
8550.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].end |
8551.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
我才是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].start |
8551.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].end |
8553.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].text |
我們今天這邊都保留好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].start |
8553.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].end |
8554.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].text |
因為這個一併上學商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].start |
8556.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].end |
8557.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].text |
給他第一條有過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].start |
8558.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].end |
8559.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].text |
I had it |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].start |
8559.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].end |
8560.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].text |
問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].start |
8560.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].end |
8561.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].text |
65條如果大家都沒有意見也讓他過啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].start |
8563.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].end |
8564.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].text |
六條之一怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].start |
8564.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].end |
8565.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].text |
可以保留嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].start |
8565.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].end |
8566.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].text |
全部保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].start |
8566.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].end |
8567.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].start |
8567.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].end |
8568.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].text |
66條保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].start |
8568.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].end |
8569.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].text |
第一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].start |
8569.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].end |
8570.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].text |
第一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].start |
8570.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].end |
8572.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].text |
那65條之一有什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].start |
8572.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].end |
8573.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].text |
大家有不同意見嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
8575.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].end |
8576.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].start |
8576.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].end |
8577.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].text |
爭取啦爭取啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].start |
8577.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].end |
8579.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].text |
65條之一如果沒問題我們就讓他過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
8581.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].end |
8582.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].text |
沒有我剛剛已經裁決了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].start |
8582.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].end |
8583.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].text |
就先這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].start |
8583.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].end |
8584.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].text |
因為這樣我一併處理比較好處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
8586.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].end |
8587.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
8588.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].end |
8590.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
請一併宣讀學商的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].start |
8591.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].end |
8592.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].text |
結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
8616.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].end |
8617.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
請問各位同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
8617.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].end |
8619.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
照剛剛宣讀的學商結論通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
8619.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].end |
8620.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].text |
請問有意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
8621.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].end |
8622.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].text |
無意義通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
8622.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].end |
8625.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].text |
討論事項有關農業發展條例部分條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
8625.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].end |
8628.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].text |
相關修正場等8案審查玩具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
8628.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].end |
8632.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
並讓你去審查報告提報院會討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
8632.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].end |
8634.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
請問需不需加油黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
8636.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].end |
8637.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].text |
學商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
8637.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
8638.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
需要好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
8639.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
8643.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
請問教主席我確認一下是直接進到院會處理還是黨團協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
8643.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
8644.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
黨團協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
8644.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
8645.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
8651.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].end |
8653.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].text |
院會討論時有本席說明審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
8653.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].end |
8654.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
通過之調查相關法制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
8654.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].end |
8657.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
容許授權主席及議事人員處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
8661.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
8663.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
好我們現在學商討論事項2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
8663.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
8667.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
有關隨圖保持法部分條文相關修正場案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
8667.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
8669.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
共有4個提案版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
8669.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
8672.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
以本次會議一併審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
8672.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
8675.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
我們先從第二條開始協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
8675.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
8677.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
請農業部說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
8677.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
8679.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
好第二條的部分我們也支持委員的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
8679.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].end |
8681.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
配合行政院的組織改造 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
8681.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
8685.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
我們新政修正行政院農委會為農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
8690.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
8692.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
第二條大家都一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
8692.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].end |
8694.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
8696.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].end |
8697.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
還有4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
8701.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
8703.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
8701.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
8703.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
所以就照樣通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
8706.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
8709.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
提案以及靈代化的提案照樣通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
8713.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
8716.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
好接下來的話我們進行第23條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
8719.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
8722.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
第三條的部分我們也參與委員的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
8722.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
8723.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
將無法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
8723.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
8729.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
無法使用權責納入裁處及費用之負擔的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
8729.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
8733.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
這個部分等一下我們會念相關的文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
8733.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
8740.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
至於說裁處的部分我們還是建議是用暗次的處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
8741.55 |
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8743.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
8744.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
8749.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
對我們就剛才講的就是說我們將那個無法使用權納入裁處的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
8749.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
8752.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
那我們做文字的一些說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
8753.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
8755.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
我跟委員說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
8755.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
8757.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
那個第一項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
8757.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
8759.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
你有我的修正動議嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
8759.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
8761.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
那我跟委員說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
8761.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
8763.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
你的修正動議的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
8763.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
8765.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
那個我們還是做一下調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
8765.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
8767.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
就是說第一項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
8767.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
8771.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
第一項的部分還是維持我們的線性條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
8771.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
8773.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
就跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
8774.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
8776.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
那重點是在第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
8776.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
8778.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
第二項的部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
8778.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
8782.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
為依第12條至第14條規定之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
8782.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
8784.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
擬具隨度保持計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
8784.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
8786.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
送主管機關核定而擅自開發者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
8786.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
8791.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
除依第33條規定暗示分別處罰外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
8791.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
8795.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
主管機關因令違規行為人停工鬥點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
8795.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
8803.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].text |
並得通知其限期改正、遁號、沒入或其設施及所使用之機具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
8803.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
8806.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
強制拆除及清除其工作物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
8806.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
8809.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
所需費用由違規行為人負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
8809.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
8813.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
分號且得自第一次處罰之日起 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
8813.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
8817.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
二年內暫停該地址開發申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
8817.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
8821.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].text |
就是說我們把處罰的對象明定為違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
8821.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
8825.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
這個名詞把它很確定出來才行為責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
8825.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
8829.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
誰違規在山坡地開發沒有擬具水保計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
8829.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
8832.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
我就罰他然後命他停工 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
8832.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
8834.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
我們在第二項最主要的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
8834.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
8836.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
然後第三項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
8838.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
8840.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
就很清楚的在說明說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
8840.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
8843.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
前項違規行為人無合法使用權者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
8843.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
8846.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
於辦理限期改正事項前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
8846.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
8850.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
無法取得經營人、使用人或所有權人同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
8850.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
8856.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
主管機關因通知經營人、使用人或所有權人限期改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
8856.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
8860.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
那這一條就是在處理剛剛第二項委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
8860.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
8862.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
我們要強調說我罰的是違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
8862.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
8864.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
那違規行為人可能不是地主 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
8864.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
8866.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
那不是地主的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
8866.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
8871.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
那他要去那個地上要去限期改正可能地主是反對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
8871.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
8874.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
那地主如果反對的話就由主管機關通知他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
8874.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
8876.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
由他來負責改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
8876.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
8878.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
那這是我們第三項的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
8878.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
8880.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
那最後一項的修正就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
8880.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
8885.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
以完工道路或設施之養護准用第一項及第二項之規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].start |
8885.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
8887.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
因為我們相似變動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
8887.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
8890.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
所以這一項的相似再重新做修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].start |
8890.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
8891.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
8894.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
8895.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].text |
這樣好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
8895.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
8898.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
因為等一下休息再給我看一下好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
8900.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
8902.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
8906.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
8907.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
8908.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
8909.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
同志是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
8920.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
8922.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
第三項簡化就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
8924.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
8928.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
第三項是我們配合配合這一次委員講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
8928.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
8932.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].text |
因為有不少是違規開發是沒有合法使用權的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
8932.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
8936.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].text |
那我們再把第三項在實務上遇到的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
8936.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
8938.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
把它做一個處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
8949.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
8950.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].text |
嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].start |
8950.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
8954.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
你這個跟你的這個行政部門所提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
8954.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
8957.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].text |
跟主題人差別 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
8957.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
8958.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
第一個是日 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
8958.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
8959.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
跟次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
8959.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
8961.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
你們現在是認為要次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
8961.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
8963.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
這是第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
8963.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
8965.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
第二個就在於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
8965.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
8968.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
這個違規行為人停工 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
8968.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
8971.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
並得通知其期限改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
8971.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
8975.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
你是增加讓他改善的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
8975.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
8977.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
那你這個並期 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
8977.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
8980.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
並得通知其期限改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
8980.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
8981.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
限期改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
8981.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
8982.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
限期改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
8982.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
8983.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
那你的限期 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
8985.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
8986.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
委員您要知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
8986.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
8989.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
以前立法體例上曾經出現一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
8989.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
8990.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
我們很困擾的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
8990.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
8993.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
準期請問的是你的限期 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
8993.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].end |
8994.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
你的限期 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].start |
8994.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
8996.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
如果沒有寫時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
8996.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
8999.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
是不是依照他的case來決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
8999.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
9001.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].text |
行政部門來決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
9001.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
9002.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].text |
所以沒有固定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
9002.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
9004.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
比如說我們很多的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
9004.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
9007.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
就是一個月內兩個禮拜內一個禮拜內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
9007.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
9009.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
要依實際的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
9009.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
9011.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
所以你的是要依你的case |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
9011.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
9012.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
依照你的case |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
9012.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
9014.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
是授權給行政部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
9014.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
9015.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
你的意思是不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].start |
9015.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].end |
9016.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].text |
委員我要跟您說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
9016.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].end |
9018.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].text |
我們當初第一項跟第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
9018.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].end |
9020.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].text |
常受外面的困擾的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
9020.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].end |
9022.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
第一項就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].start |
9022.03 |
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9023.03 |
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他有你水保計畫 |
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9023.03 |
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9025.03 |
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只是沒有一合套水保計畫 |
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9025.03 |
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9027.03 |
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但第一項委員您要看一下 |
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9027.03 |
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9030.03 |
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他上面有時候也要有限期改正 |
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9030.03 |
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9032.03 |
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第一項有限期改正 |
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9032.03 |
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9034.03 |
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就是因為你如果 |
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9034.03 |
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9035.03 |
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你們要依照原先核定去挖 |
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9035.03 |
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9037.03 |
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然後我們就請你限期改正 |
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9037.03 |
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9039.03 |
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那第二項您去看限期的條文 |
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9039.03 |
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9041.03 |
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他沒有限期改正這個我自言 |
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9041.03 |
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9044.03 |
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沒有擬具的人卻沒有限期改正 |
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9044.03 |
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9046.03 |
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所以就造成外界很多人困擾說 |
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9046.03 |
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9048.03 |
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以為好亂來的人就不用改正 |
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9048.03 |
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9049.03 |
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是要的 |
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9049.03 |
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9051.03 |
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所以我們這次把他寫得很清楚 |
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9051.03 |
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9054.03 |
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說不論你是未依核定或未擬具 |
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9054.03 |
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9056.03 |
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那個現地的狀況 |
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9056.03 |
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9058.03 |
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你被你挖了亂七八糟的狀況 |
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9058.03 |
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9061.03 |
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是必須要你把他改正回來的 |
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9061.03 |
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9064.03 |
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所以我們最主要的問題就是限期改正 |
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9064.03 |
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9065.03 |
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那剛剛委員您詢問的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
9065.03 |
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9067.03 |
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因為開挖整地的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
9067.03 |
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9068.03 |
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你看每個人的狀況 |
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9068.03 |
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9070.03 |
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有很嚴重的也有很輕微的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].start |
9070.03 |
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9072.03 |
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改正的方式都有不同 |
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9072.03 |
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9075.03 |
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所以他都必須符合水土保鮮技術規範 |
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9075.03 |
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9077.03 |
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的要求去做改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
9077.03 |
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9079.03 |
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所以主管機關在下的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
9079.03 |
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9081.03 |
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他必須要合情合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
9081.03 |
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9083.03 |
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去看照規範的 |
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9083.03 |
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9085.03 |
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水土保鮮技術規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].start |
9085.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
9088.03 |
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有地方政府一失誤狀況去做改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
9090.48 |
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9091.48 |
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是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].start |
9091.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].end |
9094.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].text |
也的確目前在執行的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
9094.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
9097.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
都有讓這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
9098.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
9100.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
去限期改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
9101.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
9102.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
那現在你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
9102.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
9104.51 |
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因為在當地的縣市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
9104.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
9106.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
他要去執行的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
9106.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
9108.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
因為我經常說我們訂的法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
9108.51 |
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9109.51 |
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是要讓當地的縣市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
9109.51 |
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9111.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
他可以執行的了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
9111.51 |
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9114.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
而且他有一個依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
9114.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
9117.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
所以這個依據各縣市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
9117.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
9120.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
22個縣市政府他們的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
9120.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
9124.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
是不是有一個基本的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
9124.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
9125.68 |
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一個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
9127.45 |
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9129.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].text |
就是跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
9129.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
9131.45 |
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就是依照他的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
9131.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
9134.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
會依照我們的技術規範的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
9134.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
9136.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
作業的一般的期程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
9136.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
9138.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
去限定他的期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
9138.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
9140.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
他有一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
9140.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
9142.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
所以說這個樣態太多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].start |
9142.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
9145.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].text |
沒有辦法在這裡做這樣的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].start |
9145.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].end |
9147.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].text |
就是說不管你的樣態是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
9147.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
9149.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].text |
但是我們目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].start |
9149.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].end |
9151.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].text |
還是有一個基本的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].start |
9151.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].end |
9154.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].text |
對 技術規範裡面的作業方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].start |
9167.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].end |
9168.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].text |
我再問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].start |
9168.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].end |
9170.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].text |
所以你們把你們的第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].start |
9170.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].end |
9172.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].text |
前面那些公有或私人三破地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].start |
9172.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].end |
9173.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].text |
國公有鄰區 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].start |
9173.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].end |
9174.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].text |
他人私有鄰區 |
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9174.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].end |
9176.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].text |
那些全部都 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].start |
9177.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].end |
9179.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].text |
我要跟委員說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].start |
9179.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].end |
9181.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].text |
為擬具水保計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].start |
9181.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].end |
9182.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].text |
不管你背後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].start |
9182.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].end |
9184.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].text |
到底有沒有合法使用權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].start |
9184.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].end |
9186.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].text |
就說你到底是地主 |
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9186.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].end |
9187.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].text |
還是不是地主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].start |
9187.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].end |
9188.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].text |
是侵佔別人土地來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].start |
9188.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].end |
9190.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].text |
都會適用第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].start |
9190.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].end |
9192.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].text |
因為你沒有經過主管機關核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].start |
9192.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].end |
9195.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].text |
所以在裡面的辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].start |
9195.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].end |
9197.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].text |
就是把它就是把我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].start |
9197.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].end |
9198.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].text |
我們就認定是第二項的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].start |
9198.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].end |
9200.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].text |
因為你沒有擬具水保機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].start |
9200.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].end |
9201.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].text |
送主管機關核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].start |
9201.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].end |
9202.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].start |
9202.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].end |
9203.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].text |
不管你什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].start |
9203.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].end |
9205.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].text |
不管你是侵佔別人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].start |
9205.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].end |
9206.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].text |
你有沒有合法使用權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].start |
9206.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].end |
9208.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].text |
你外觀上就是沒有擬水保計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].start |
9208.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].end |
9209.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].text |
送主管機關核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].start |
9209.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].end |
9212.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].text |
所以他會被第二項涵蓋進來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].start |
9215.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].end |
9219.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].text |
那如果你現在找不到違規行為人的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].start |
9219.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].end |
9220.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].text |
會怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].start |
9220.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].end |
9221.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].text |
第三項有講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].start |
9221.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].end |
9222.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].start |
9222.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].end |
9223.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].text |
找不到違規行為人的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].start |
9223.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].end |
9224.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].text |
就會通知地主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].start |
9229.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].end |
9231.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].text |
由地主來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].start |
9232.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].end |
9234.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].text |
可是你的第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].start |
9234.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].end |
9235.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].text |
感覺不是這樣寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].start |
9235.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].end |
9238.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].text |
這個第一這個也是我一併討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].start |
9238.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].end |
9240.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].text |
因為這個最後你說使用人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].start |
9240.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].end |
9242.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].text |
或所有權人同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].start |
9242.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].end |
9243.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].text |
那你的主管機關單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].start |
9243.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].end |
9245.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].text |
應通知經營人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].start |
9245.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].end |
9248.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].text |
使用人或所有權人限期改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].start |
9248.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].end |
9249.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].text |
我們現在在做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].start |
9249.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].end |
9252.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].text |
就譬如我給你做你這堆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].start |
9252.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].end |
9254.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].text |
那一般都是經營者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].start |
9254.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].end |
9256.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].text |
他第一順位要負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].start |
9256.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].end |
9257.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].start |
9257.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].end |
9259.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].text |
那地主是到最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].start |
9259.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].end |
9260.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].start |
9260.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].end |
9262.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].text |
一落跑也找不到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].start |
9262.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].end |
9263.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].text |
地主要負全責 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].start |
9263.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].end |
9264.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].start |
9264.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].end |
9266.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].text |
那你直接把它同步 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].start |
9266.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].end |
9268.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].text |
同步通知的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].start |
9268.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].end |
9270.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].text |
會不會讓人家以為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].start |
9270.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].end |
9272.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].text |
就是地主的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].start |
9273.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].end |
9275.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].text |
那這三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].start |
9275.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].end |
9277.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].text |
有沒有那個數位問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].start |
9277.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].end |
9278.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].text |
你現在在執行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].start |
9278.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].end |
9280.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].text |
有數位問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].start |
9280.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].end |
9282.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].text |
地主是在最後嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].start |
9282.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].end |
9283.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].text |
我跟委員講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].start |
9283.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].end |
9285.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].text |
你剛剛講的是成株人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].start |
9285.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].end |
9287.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].text |
成株人違規 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].start |
9287.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].end |
9289.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].text |
成株人是有合法使用權人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].start |
9289.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].end |
9290.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].text |
因為他有成株權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].start |
9290.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].end |
9291.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].text |
他在另外的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].start |
9291.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].end |
9292.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].text |
他就不是第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].start |
9292.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].end |
9293.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].text |
無合法使用權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].start |
9293.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].end |
9294.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].text |
我們真的是在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].start |
9294.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].end |
9297.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].text |
你完全沒有任何使用權的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].start |
9297.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].end |
9298.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].text |
所以成株人跟地主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].start |
9298.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].end |
9299.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].text |
成株人去開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].start |
9299.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].end |
9300.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].text |
他沒有擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].start |
9300.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].end |
9301.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].text |
我會罰成株人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].start |
9302.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].end |
9303.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].text |
我會罰成株人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].start |
9303.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].end |
9305.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].text |
那第三項是無合法使用權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].start |
9305.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].end |
9306.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].text |
是說你任何權利都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].start |
9306.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].end |
9308.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].text |
你去侵占別人土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].start |
9308.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].end |
9310.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].text |
就如剛剛委員之前提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].start |
9310.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].end |
9311.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].text |
你沒有經過統一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].start |
9311.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].end |
9313.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].text |
擅自去開發的那種人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].start |
9313.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].end |
9317.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].text |
你就是去侵占人家土地的這種人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].start |
9317.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].end |
9318.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].text |
所以這個是在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].start |
9318.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].end |
9319.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].text |
第三項這種人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].start |
9319.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].end |
9321.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].text |
那如果地主跟成株戶的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].start |
9321.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].end |
9323.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].text |
是他們之間的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].start |
9323.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].end |
9324.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].text |
誰挖我就找誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].start |
9326.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].end |
9327.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].text |
他會是在第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].start |
9328.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].end |
9330.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].text |
最後找不到還是地主要付全權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].start |
9330.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].end |
9331.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].text |
所以的確委員剛剛有講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].start |
9331.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].end |
9333.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].text |
完全找不到違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].start |
9333.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].end |
9335.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].text |
那我也贊同委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].start |
9335.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].end |
9337.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].text |
如果這個部分也要處理的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].start |
9337.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].end |
9339.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].text |
我們可能就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].start |
9339.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].end |
9341.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].text |
那個無法獲取 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].start |
9341.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].end |
9343.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].text |
我們前面前項違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].start |
9343.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].end |
9344.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].text |
無合法使用權者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].start |
9344.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].end |
9346.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].text |
與辦理刑期改正事項前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].start |
9346.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].end |
9348.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].text |
無法取得經營人使用人同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].start |
9348.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].end |
9349.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].start |
9349.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].end |
9353.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].text |
或無法尋得違規行為人時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].start |
9353.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].end |
9354.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].start |
9354.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].end |
9355.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].text |
主管通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].start |
9355.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].end |
9357.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].text |
主管就歡迎通知經營人使用人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].start |
9357.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].end |
9359.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].text |
然後去改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].start |
9361.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].end |
9362.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].text |
因為當時我們立這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].start |
9362.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].end |
9364.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].text |
在後面立這個法律就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].start |
9364.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].end |
9365.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].text |
怕這個違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].start |
9365.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].end |
9366.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].text |
你就找不到嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].start |
9366.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].end |
9368.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].text |
因為地主也不知道啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].start |
9368.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].end |
9369.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].text |
他也不是成株都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].start |
9369.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].end |
9371.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].text |
找不到的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].start |
9371.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].end |
9372.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].text |
我才會要求是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].start |
9372.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].end |
9375.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].text |
地方的主管機關是代為整副嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].start |
9375.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].end |
9378.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].text |
然後再找行為人負擔啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].start |
9378.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].end |
9379.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].text |
因為找不到行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].start |
9379.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].end |
9381.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].text |
你怎麼找他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].start |
9381.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].end |
9382.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].text |
但是你就這樣割著啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].start |
9382.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].end |
9386.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].text |
因為違規行為人就是非法的人嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].start |
9386.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].end |
9388.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].text |
那他現在就倒在你的山坡地 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].start |
9388.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].end |
9389.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].text |
也沒有同意什麼都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].start |
9389.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].end |
9390.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].start |
9390.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].end |
9394.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].text |
那現在如果他這邊量到造成風險危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].start |
9394.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].end |
9398.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].text |
所以我才說地方機關主管現在負起責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].start |
9398.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].end |
9400.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].text |
那不然你這個風險怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].start |
9401.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].end |
9403.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].text |
小心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].start |
9402.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].end |
9404.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].text |
這個法治單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].start |
9404.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].end |
9407.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].text |
其實剛剛委員點出了你們一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].start |
9407.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].end |
9409.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].text |
就是你們的思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].start |
9409.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].end |
9412.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].text |
都是站在有你具水保計畫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].start |
9412.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].end |
9414.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].text |
那他的水保計畫怎麼樣怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].start |
9414.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].end |
9416.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].text |
那為你具水保計畫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].start |
9416.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].end |
9417.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].text |
那怎麼樣怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].start |
9417.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].end |
9419.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].text |
然後呢為你具水保計畫的那些行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].start |
9419.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].end |
9422.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].text |
你沒辦法取得同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].start |
9422.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].end |
9424.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].text |
那就不能你具水保計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].start |
9424.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].end |
9426.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].text |
所以就怎麼樣怎麼樣怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].start |
9426.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].end |
9427.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].text |
好那跑出一個項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].start |
9427.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].end |
9428.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].text |
就是楊委員所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].start |
9428.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].end |
9430.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].text |
那找不到違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].start |
9430.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].end |
9431.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].text |
也是目前主席關切的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].start |
9431.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].end |
9432.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].text |
那該怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].start |
9432.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].end |
9434.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].text |
那我是同意也是認同說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].start |
9434.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].end |
9435.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].text |
如果找不到違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].start |
9435.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].end |
9437.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].text |
當然是要由經營人使用人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].start |
9437.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].end |
9439.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].text |
或所有權人限期改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].start |
9439.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].end |
9441.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].text |
因為這些人一定找得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].start |
9441.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].end |
9443.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].text |
因為經營人不可能找不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].start |
9443.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].end |
9444.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].text |
使用人也不能找不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].start |
9444.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].end |
9447.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].text |
這些都找不到就是所有權人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].start |
9447.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].end |
9450.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].text |
所有權人一定是可以看得到找得到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].start |
9450.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].end |
9454.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].text |
那這些人應該優先的負責去改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].start |
9454.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].end |
9458.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].text |
那麼至於說連所有權人都不願意改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].start |
9458.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].end |
9459.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].text |
這個就事情大了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].start |
9459.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].end |
9462.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].text |
這種情況之下那個土地要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].start |
9462.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].end |
9463.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].text |
這個到時候我們關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].start |
9463.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].end |
9465.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].text |
所有權人他應該負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].start |
9465.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].end |
9466.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].text |
如果找不到他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].start |
9466.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].end |
9469.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].text |
我說如果所有權人無法改正的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].start |
9469.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].end |
9470.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].text |
你們要說明是這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].start |
9470.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].end |
9473.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].text |
當所有權人他也無力改正的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].start |
9473.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].end |
9475.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].text |
那行政機關如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].start |
9475.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].end |
9478.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].text |
我們就會由行政機關先代為執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].start |
9478.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].end |
9479.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].text |
再慢慢處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].start |
9479.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].end |
9480.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].text |
對嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].start |
9480.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].end |
9483.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].text |
這個就是我剛剛也一直在講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].start |
9483.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].end |
9486.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].text |
因為一般承租的就是最後找地主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].start |
9486.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].end |
9488.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].text |
那你沒有這個的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].start |
9488.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].end |
9490.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].text |
那當然很多人人頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].start |
9490.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].end |
9492.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].text |
你一定他沒有辦法去改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].start |
9492.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].end |
9494.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].text |
那是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].start |
9494.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].end |
9495.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].text |
那最後是政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].start |
9495.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].end |
9498.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].text |
你講的就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].start |
9498.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].end |
9500.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].text |
如果是沒有人的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].start |
9500.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].end |
9502.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].text |
政府當然就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].start |
9502.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].end |
9506.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].text |
代為先改善然後再事後再去追捕 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].start |
9506.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].end |
9508.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].text |
要不然你就爛在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].start |
9508.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].end |
9511.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].text |
那個等一下主席就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].start |
9511.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].end |
9514.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].text |
其實一定找得到所有權人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].start |
9514.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].end |
9516.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].text |
只是所有權人有沒有能力改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].start |
9516.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].end |
9519.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].text |
那如果所有權人無能力改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].start |
9519.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].end |
9521.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].text |
那當然國家就會介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].start |
9521.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].end |
9524.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].text |
那國家介入去代為執行的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].start |
9524.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].end |
9526.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].text |
後續再跟所有權人求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].start |
9526.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].end |
9528.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].text |
那這個部分是規定在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].start |
9528.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].end |
9530.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].text |
因為現在主席的問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].start |
9530.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].end |
9532.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].text |
如果我這裡不寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].start |
9532.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].end |
9534.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].text |
那你後面最後這一段國家執行的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].start |
9534.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].end |
9535.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].text |
是依哪些法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].start |
9535.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].end |
9538.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].text |
其實我也因為我在地方租管機關也待過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].start |
9538.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].end |
9541.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].text |
其實我們就會跟所有權人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].start |
9541.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].end |
9543.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].text |
先代為執行之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].start |
9543.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].end |
9544.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].text |
就讓他求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].start |
9544.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].end |
9546.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].text |
那求償他如果拿不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].start |
9546.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].end |
9547.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].text |
他的土地會被拍賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].start |
9547.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].end |
9548.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].text |
大概是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].start |
9548.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].end |
9551.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].text |
那這個你們把這個法令一去說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].start |
9551.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].end |
9552.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].text |
這個請你們說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].start |
9552.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].end |
9554.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].text |
因為在隨法法第24條裡面有一些規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].start |
9556.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].end |
9558.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].text |
跟委員講說待履行的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].start |
9558.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].end |
9562.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].text |
我們在隨法法24條就有做規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].start |
9562.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].end |
9564.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].text |
那行政執行法也可以做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].start |
9564.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].end |
9568.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].text |
我給你們看一下24條的部分的最後一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].start |
9568.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].end |
9570.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].text |
他的第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].start |
9570.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].end |
9572.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].text |
有前二條情形之一者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].start |
9572.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].end |
9573.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].start |
9573.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].end |
9574.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].text |
經縣級改正、階級不改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].start |
9574.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].end |
9577.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].text |
或實施人不符合水土保持技術規範者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].start |
9577.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].end |
9580.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].text |
應由主管機關、會同各該目的式委員機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].start |
9580.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].end |
9581.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].text |
待為履行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].start |
9581.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].end |
9584.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].text |
並向隨法義務人徵收費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].start |
9584.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].end |
9585.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].start |
9585.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].end |
9588.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].text |
所以24條的最後一項就有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].start |
9588.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].end |
9592.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].text |
那這一條可能對幾乎所有狀況就可以處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].start |
9592.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].end |
9596.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].text |
如果沒有行政執行法也有一個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].start |
9596.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].end |
9598.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].text |
也是一樣有待履行的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].start |
9598.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].end |
9599.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].text |
待履行的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].start |
9599.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].end |
9600.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].text |
那但是這一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].start |
9600.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].end |
9602.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].text |
像我的確贊同委員剛剛的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].start |
9602.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].end |
9604.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].text |
就是完全找不到行為人的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].start |
9604.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].end |
9606.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].text |
我們就要通知地主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].start |
9606.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].end |
9608.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].text |
你要負起這個責任來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].start |
9608.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].end |
9610.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].text |
所以我們的第三項是不是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].start |
9610.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].end |
9612.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].text |
無法取得機遇人、使用人或所有權人同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].start |
9612.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].end |
9614.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].text |
後面我們再往下加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].start |
9614.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].end |
9616.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].text |
我們在鬥點之後寫說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].start |
9616.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].end |
9620.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].text |
或無法尋得那個違規行為人時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].start |
9620.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].end |
9625.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].text |
那鬥點主管機關應通知經營人、使用人或所有人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].start |
9625.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].end |
9626.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].text |
獻起改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].start |
9626.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].end |
9628.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].text |
那這樣就完結委員所有的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].start |
9628.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].end |
9630.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].text |
把它融合起來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].start |
9632.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].end |
9637.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].text |
或無法尋得那個違規行為人時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].start |
9637.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].end |
9640.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].text |
那主管機關應通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].start |
9640.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].end |
9644.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].text |
經營人、使用人或所有權人獻起改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].start |
9645.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].end |
9647.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].text |
那至於委員剛剛你講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].start |
9647.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].end |
9649.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].text |
如果後面待履行的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].start |
9649.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].end |
9651.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].text |
已經有條文可以出力了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].start |
9653.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].end |
9655.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].text |
你要把文字寫出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].start |
9655.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].end |
9657.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].text |
因為他就剛剛中交部或其他委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].start |
9657.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].end |
9659.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].text |
扛勝的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].start |
9659.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].end |
9661.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].text |
沒有那些待履權還是無能嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].start |
9661.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].end |
9663.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].text |
沒有能力的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].start |
9663.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].end |
9665.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].text |
你要再寫在這邊說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].start |
9665.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].end |
9667.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].text |
政府就用待委員這個啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].start |
9667.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].end |
9669.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].text |
那你才會接到24啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].start |
9669.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].end |
9671.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].text |
不是不是,他一定是先通知地主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].start |
9671.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].end |
9673.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].text |
因為地主你是那塊地的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].start |
9673.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].end |
9675.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].text |
就好像我們建築法規或費心法一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].start |
9675.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].end |
9677.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].text |
我找不到任何行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].start |
9677.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].end |
9679.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].text |
我還是會先找地主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].start |
9679.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].end |
9681.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].text |
那地主如果無法處理的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].start |
9681.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].end |
9683.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].text |
那我會做待履行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].start |
9683.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].end |
9685.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].text |
那待履行剛剛跟委員講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].start |
9685.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].end |
9687.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].text |
隨法法24條已經有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].start |
9687.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].end |
9689.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].text |
還有行政執行法也有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].start |
9688.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].end |
9690.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].text |
那我們這邊只是告訴說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].start |
9690.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].end |
9692.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].text |
義務人我會找誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].start |
9693.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].end |
9695.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].text |
那我們剛剛講第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].start |
9695.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].end |
9697.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].text |
我一定先找行為人嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].start |
9697.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].end |
9699.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].text |
違規行為人先找 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].start |
9699.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].end |
9701.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].text |
因為你沒有報住管教我先找行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].start |
9701.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].end |
9703.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].text |
那行為人如果你沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].start |
9703.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].end |
9705.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].text |
地主如果沒辦法同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].start |
9705.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].end |
9707.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].text |
那你就回到地主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].start |
9707.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].end |
9709.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].text |
那還有一種就是你找不到行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].start |
9709.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].end |
9711.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].text |
那也是由地主來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].start |
9711.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].end |
9713.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].text |
但地主不是馬上罰他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].start |
9713.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].end |
9715.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].text |
因為對地主太苛刻 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].start |
9715.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].end |
9717.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].text |
所以一定先通知地主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].start |
9717.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].end |
9719.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].text |
請你處理,你不處理才會啟動後面的手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].start |
9718.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].end |
9720.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].text |
修正了再 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].start |
9720.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].end |
9722.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].text |
好,那24條的第三項就有了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].start |
9722.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].end |
9724.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].text |
因為我們這是23條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].start |
9724.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].end |
9726.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].text |
那24條第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].start |
9726.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].end |
9728.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].text |
他寫有前二條之情形之一者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].start |
9728.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].end |
9730.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].text |
就已經有了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].start |
9736.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].end |
9738.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].text |
我還是小小抱怨一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].start |
9738.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].end |
9740.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].text |
就是說這已經是很久很久很久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].start |
9740.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].end |
9742.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].text |
然後當時問你們也都 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].start |
9742.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].end |
9744.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].text |
毫無意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].start |
9744.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].end |
9746.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].text |
然後覺得可以遵照委員的狀況來辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].start |
9746.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].end |
9748.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].start |
9751.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].end |
9753.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].text |
要交考卷了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].start |
9753.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].end |
9755.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].text |
才今天再加這個答題內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].start |
9759.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].end |
9761.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].start |
9760.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].end |
9762.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].text |
我殺小寶奶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].start |
9764.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].end |
9766.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].text |
放學後留下來操作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].start |
9770.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].end |
9772.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].text |
前向違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].start |
9774.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].end |
9776.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].text |
不合法,白馬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].start |
9800.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].end |
9802.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].text |
我們這個再往上看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].start |
9802.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].end |
9804.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].text |
我整個挑了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].start |
9805.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].end |
9807.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].text |
用整夜模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].start |
9825.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].end |
9827.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].text |
因為按日變按次就同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].start |
9827.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].end |
9829.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].text |
因為配合圖裁法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].start |
9829.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].end |
9831.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].text |
維持行政法一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].start |
9831.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].end |
9833.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].text |
因為修正動議也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].start |
9834.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].end |
9836.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].start |
9836.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].end |
9838.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].text |
再往下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].start |
9857.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].end |
9859.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].start |
9858.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].end |
9860.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].text |
再往下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].start |
9860.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].end |
9862.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].text |
前向違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].start |
9863.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].end |
9865.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].text |
法事要求,犯的期限改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].start |
9865.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].end |
9867.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].text |
我發去的紀念寫好說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].start |
9867.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].end |
9869.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].text |
我全然不想再做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].start |
9888.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].end |
9890.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].text |
我都說了,我全然不想再做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].start |
9892.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].end |
9894.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].start |
9895.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].end |
9897.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].text |
好,其他委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].start |
9897.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].end |
9899.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].text |
再看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].start |
9913.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].end |
9915.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].text |
這實在是,我們還要再想想 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].start |
9916.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].end |
9918.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].text |
看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].start |
9930.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].end |
9932.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].text |
其實,這一條條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].start |
9932.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].end |
9934.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].text |
也就是說,雖然我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].start |
9934.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].end |
9936.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].text |
在條文裡頭,已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].start |
9936.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].end |
9938.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].text |
剛剛那個說明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].start |
9938.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].end |
9940.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].text |
在條文裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].start |
9940.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].end |
9942.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].text |
就夯不讓當,不管是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].start |
9942.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].end |
9944.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].text |
有經營權,沒有經營權的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].start |
9944.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].end |
9946.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].text |
這一些,他都可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].start |
9946.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].end |
9948.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].text |
代執行,你的說法是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].start |
9948.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].end |
9950.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].text |
但是現在就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].start |
9950.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].end |
9952.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].text |
為什麼會提出這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].start |
9952.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].end |
9954.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].text |
也就是說,目前雖然 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].start |
9954.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].end |
9956.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].text |
有,但是他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].start |
9956.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].end |
9958.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].text |
層面,執行起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].start |
9958.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].end |
9960.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].text |
不完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].start |
9959.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].end |
9961.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].text |
並不完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].start |
9961.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].end |
9963.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].text |
所以才會提出這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].start |
9963.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].end |
9965.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].text |
我個人認為說,應該行政部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].start |
9965.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].end |
9967.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].text |
你們要提出說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].start |
9967.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].end |
9969.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].text |
那我現在已經有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].start |
9970.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].end |
9972.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].text |
執行細則,已經有這個法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].start |
9972.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].end |
9974.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].text |
但是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].start |
9974.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].end |
9976.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].text |
社會現象就沒有辦法解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].start |
9977.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].end |
9979.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].text |
你們應該是針對這個來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].start |
9979.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].end |
9981.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].text |
而不是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].start |
9981.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].end |
9983.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].text |
現在第23條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].start |
9983.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].end |
9985.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].text |
裡頭,你修正這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].start |
9985.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].end |
9987.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].text |
文字很漂亮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].start |
9987.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].end |
9989.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].text |
但是問題是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].start |
9989.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].end |
9991.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].text |
你的執行會不會跟原先的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].start |
9991.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].end |
9993.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].text |
已經有,那一條擺在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].start |
9993.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].end |
9995.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].text |
你依照這一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].start |
9995.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].end |
9997.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].text |
但是他不依照這一條去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].start |
9997.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].end |
9999.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].text |
問題是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].start |
9999.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].end |
10001.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].text |
那你要怎麼去解決這個問題才是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].start |
10004.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].end |
10006.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].start |
10006.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].end |
10008.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].text |
當初您所關心的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].start |
10008.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].end |
10010.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].text |
我們在第二項裡面就講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].start |
10010.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].end |
10012.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].text |
因為當初並沒有限期改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].start |
10012.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].end |
10014.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].text |
就是說你自己違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].start |
10014.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].end |
10016.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].text |
沒有相關的計畫的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].start |
10016.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].end |
10018.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].text |
有限期改正第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].start |
10018.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].end |
10020.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].text |
但第二項就是沒有的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].start |
10020.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].end |
10022.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].text |
並沒有通知限期改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].start |
10022.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].end |
10024.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].text |
所以他可以無限的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].start |
10024.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].end |
10026.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].text |
拖破無限的怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].start |
10026.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].end |
10028.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].text |
所以我們就為了解決這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].start |
10028.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].end |
10030.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].text |
特別加了限期改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].start |
10030.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].end |
10032.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].text |
這樣的話就能夠讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].start |
10031.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].end |
10033.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].text |
不管是原來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].start |
10033.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].end |
10035.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].text |
不依照隨保法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].start |
10035.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].end |
10037.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].text |
跟完全沒有提隨保法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].start |
10037.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].end |
10039.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].text |
都 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].start |
10038.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].end |
10040.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].text |
都有處理的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].start |
10040.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].end |
10042.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].text |
然後第三條就是處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].start |
10041.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].end |
10043.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].text |
要改正的時候怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].start |
10043.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].end |
10045.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].text |
就是他要地主同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].start |
10045.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].end |
10047.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].text |
地主如果不同意的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].start |
10047.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].end |
10049.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].text |
或者是找不到這些違規行為的人的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].start |
10049.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].end |
10051.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].text |
我們怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].start |
10051.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].end |
10053.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].text |
都沒辦法處理的時候才會落到24條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].start |
10053.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].end |
10055.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].text |
由主管機關代為覺醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].start |
10055.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].end |
10057.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].text |
代為處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].start |
10057.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].end |
10059.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].text |
然後後續才去做相關的追查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].start |
10063.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].end |
10065.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].text |
就是說精神上有符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].start |
10065.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].end |
10069.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].text |
就是我當時要立法的一個目的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].start |
10069.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].end |
10073.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].text |
我大致上看過文字以及後續 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].start |
10073.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].end |
10075.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].text |
我比較關心是代為旅行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].start |
10075.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].end |
10077.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].text |
另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].start |
10077.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].end |
10079.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].text |
在這一條如果是這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].start |
10079.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].end |
10081.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].text |
等一下的我的32條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].start |
10081.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].end |
10083.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].text |
就是等一下我們再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].start |
10083.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].end |
10085.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].text |
就是我還是希望有罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].start |
10085.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].end |
10087.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].text |
因為現在倒下去之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].start |
10087.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].end |
10089.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].text |
就是找不到人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].start |
10089.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].end |
10091.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].text |
然後就落在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].start |
10091.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].end |
10093.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].text |
然後就落在那邊就有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].start |
10093.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].end |
10095.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].text |
那我覺得這個我們政府機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].start |
10095.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].end |
10097.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].text |
應該負起這個責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].start |
10097.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].end |
10099.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].text |
那我覺得你們這樣寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].start |
10099.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].end |
10101.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].text |
我OK啦我這樣看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].start |
10101.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].end |
10103.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].text |
是有達到精神好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].start |
10105.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].end |
10107.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].text |
好那我們就照這個修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].start |
10112.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].end |
10114.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].text |
好接下來進行第32條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].start |
10118.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].end |
10120.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].text |
32條的部分我們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].start |
10120.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].end |
10122.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].text |
支持委員提供罰金的上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].start |
10122.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].end |
10124.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].text |
但是我們還是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].start |
10124.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].end |
10126.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].text |
維持罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].start |
10126.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].end |
10128.2 |
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就是不定下限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].start |
10128.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].end |
10130.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].text |
違規的樣態有非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].start |
10130.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].end |
10132.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].text |
那有小有大的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].start |
10132.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].end |
10134.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].text |
那如果說有定下限的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].start |
10134.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].end |
10136.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].text |
如果是比較輕微的違規的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].start |
10136.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].end |
10140.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].text |
那可能會造成比較多的一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].start |
10141.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].end |
10143.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].start |
10144.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].end |
10146.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].text |
那上線就看尊重委員討論的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].start |
10150.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].end |
10152.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].text |
修正通過是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].start |
10152.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].end |
10154.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].text |
上限是2500萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].start |
10154.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].end |
10156.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].text |
然後那個行程 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].start |
10156.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].end |
10158.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].text |
因為這是對齊這個圖財法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].start |
10159.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].end |
10161.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].text |
你們今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].start |
10161.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].end |
10163.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].text |
修正的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].start |
10165.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].end |
10167.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].text |
下線不要訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].start |
10167.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].end |
10169.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].text |
那2500萬就看主席跟委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].start |
10169.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].end |
10171.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].text |
因為這是對齊的圖財法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].start |
10171.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].end |
10173.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].text |
因為我們圖財法已經三讀過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].start |
10174.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].end |
10176.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].text |
不要訂下限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].start |
10176.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].end |
10178.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].text |
因為農業的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].start |
10178.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].end |
10180.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].text |
有些農民的一些行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].start |
10180.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].end |
10182.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].text |
那如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].start |
10182.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].end |
10184.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].text |
有些農民的行為誤觸了這個法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].start |
10184.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].end |
10186.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].text |
那就罰到200萬可能過重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].start |
10186.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].end |
10188.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].text |
所以我們建議說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].start |
10188.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].end |
10190.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].text |
還是有上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].start |
10190.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].end |
10192.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].text |
行政單位去裁量 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].start |
10192.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].end |
10194.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].start |
10193.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].end |
10195.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].text |
那你們就文字在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].start |
10195.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].end |
10197.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].text |
訂上限我贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].start |
10197.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].end |
10199.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].text |
下限的不用去訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].start |
10199.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].end |
10201.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].text |
因為有時候善良的農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].start |
10202.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].end |
10204.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].text |
我知道我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].start |
10204.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].end |
10206.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].text |
文字修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].start |
10206.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].end |
10208.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].text |
根據我的修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].start |
10208.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].end |
10210.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].text |
我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].start |
10210.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].end |
10212.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].text |
委員您的修正動議其實就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].start |
10212.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].end |
10214.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].text |
您的修正動議就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].start |
10214.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].end |
10216.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].text |
左邊修正你只要把那個新台幣200萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].start |
10216.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].end |
10218.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].text |
以上這幾個字殺掉就可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].start |
10218.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].end |
10220.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].text |
就是得幣第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].start |
10220.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].end |
10222.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].text |
就是得幣課2500萬以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].start |
10222.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].end |
10224.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].text |
罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].start |
10223.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].end |
10225.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].start |
10227.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].end |
10229.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].text |
我可以啊就再修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].start |
10229.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].end |
10231.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].start |
10253.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].end |
10255.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].text |
用現行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].start |
10255.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].end |
10257.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].text |
我們的罰金的上限都尊重委員的意見調高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].start |
10257.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].end |
10259.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].text |
其他的部分不要動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].start |
10261.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].end |
10263.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].text |
其他的部分不要動就用現行條文來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].start |
10265.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].end |
10267.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].start |
10268.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].end |
10270.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].text |
就是有關於罰金的額度我們都同意委員您的調 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].start |
10275.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].end |
10277.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].start |
10277.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].end |
10279.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].text |
現行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].start |
10279.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].end |
10281.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].text |
你們把文字寫出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].start |
10281.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].end |
10283.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].text |
我們就直接這邊委員簽了就提修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].start |
10283.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].end |
10285.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].text |
再修正動議就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].start |
10285.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].end |
10287.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].text |
然後金額就是委員的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].start |
10287.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].end |
10289.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].text |
比如說您後面那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].start |
10289.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].end |
10291.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].text |
有致人於死 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].start |
10291.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].end |
10293.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].text |
致人於死委員您要的是1億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].start |
10293.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].end |
10295.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].start |
10295.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].end |
10297.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].text |
那個地方改1億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].start |
10297.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].end |
10299.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].text |
那如果致重傷的部分來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].start |
10299.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].end |
10301.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].text |
改成8000萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].start |
10301.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].end |
10303.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].text |
所以就這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].start |
10303.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].end |
10305.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].text |
現行條文這兩個地方改 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].start |
10305.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].end |
10307.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].text |
然後過失犯的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].start |
10307.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].end |
10309.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].text |
您是現在過失犯第三項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].start |
10309.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].end |
10311.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].text |
現在過失犯第三項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].start |
10311.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].end |
10313.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].text |
現在過失犯第三項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].start |
10313.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].end |
10315.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].text |
改喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].start |
10315.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].end |
10317.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].text |
過失犯沒有改 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].start |
10317.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].end |
10319.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].text |
就是100萬嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].start |
10319.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].end |
10321.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].text |
這也是比現行條文調高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].start |
10321.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].end |
10323.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].text |
那我們也是尊重100萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].start |
10323.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].end |
10325.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].text |
那第四項就不動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].start |
10323.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].end |
10325.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].text |
第五項也不動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].start |
10327.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].end |
10329.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].text |
這個你們把文字弄完 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].start |
10329.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].end |
10331.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].text |
我們就直接委員簽修正動議就可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].start |
10331.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].end |
10333.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].text |
再修正動議就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].start |
10333.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].end |
10335.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].start |
10336.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].end |
10338.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].text |
通通都用現行條文只是把軍事上線改 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].start |
10339.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].end |
10341.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].text |
就是你們趕快調換我們委員簽再修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].start |
10341.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].end |
10343.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].text |
這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].start |
10343.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].end |
10345.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].text |
再唸一次喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].start |
10345.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].end |
10347.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].text |
32項第一項的上限是2500萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].start |
10347.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].end |
10349.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].text |
第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].start |
10349.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].end |
10351.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].text |
那個致死的話他的上限是1億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].start |
10351.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].end |
10353.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].text |
致重傷的上限是8000萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].start |
10355.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].end |
10357.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].text |
就這三點幹 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].start |
10363 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].end |
10365 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].text |
那你的刑期那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].start |
10365 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].end |
10367 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].text |
我也是按照屠宰法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].start |
10367 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].end |
10369 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].text |
所以你們那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].start |
10369 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].end |
10371 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].text |
我比較建議是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].start |
10371 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].end |
10373 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].text |
因為我們有關於刑期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].start |
10373 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].end |
10375 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].text |
有關於釀成災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].start |
10375 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].end |
10377 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].text |
第二項釀成災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].start |
10377 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].end |
10379 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].text |
那目前加重期刑1% |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].start |
10379 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].end |
10381 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].text |
我覺得這是現行做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].start |
10381 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].end |
10383 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].text |
沒有太大的困擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].start |
10383 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].end |
10385 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].text |
不要再動它 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].start |
10385 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].end |
10387 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].text |
那刑期的部分你要改成無期徒刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].start |
10387 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].end |
10389 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].text |
或一年以上七年以下有期徒刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].start |
10389 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].end |
10391 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].text |
可能我們要尊重問一下法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].start |
10388.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].end |
10392.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].text |
是不是符合刑罰的額度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].start |
10395.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].end |
10397.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].text |
好 了解你的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].start |
10397.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].end |
10399.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].text |
法務部有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].start |
10400.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].end |
10402.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].text |
有沒有什麼建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].start |
10407.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].end |
10409.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].text |
法務部的額度調到這麼高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].start |
10410.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].end |
10412.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].text |
跟委員說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].start |
10413.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].end |
10415.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].text |
委員的這個提案我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].start |
10415.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].end |
10417.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].text |
大概就是跟最新通過的土石採取法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].start |
10417.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].end |
10419.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].text |
對阿 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].start |
10419.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].end |
10421.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].text |
對標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].start |
10421.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].end |
10423.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].text |
每一部法律的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].start |
10423.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].end |
10425.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].text |
追求政策目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].start |
10425.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].end |
10427.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].text |
還有立法目的不太一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].start |
10427.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].end |
10429.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].text |
土石採取法是不是跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].start |
10429.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].end |
10431.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].text |
我們水保法這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].start |
10431.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].end |
10433.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].text |
的整個政策評估是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].start |
10433.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].end |
10435.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].text |
完全一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].start |
10435.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].end |
10437.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].text |
這個我尊重主管機關的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].start |
10437.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].end |
10439.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].text |
因為拉的行動非常的高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].start |
10439.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].end |
10441.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].text |
那如果主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].start |
10441.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].end |
10443.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].text |
在水土保持的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].start |
10444.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].end |
10446.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].text |
政策管理上他評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].start |
10446.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].end |
10448.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].text |
認為說現行的行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].start |
10448.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].end |
10450.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].text |
已經足以規範了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].start |
10450.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].end |
10452.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].text |
那只是說罰金的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].start |
10452.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].end |
10454.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].start |
10454.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].end |
10456.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].text |
裁委員的方式就是提高上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].start |
10456.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].end |
10458.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].text |
這個部分他們在政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].start |
10458.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].end |
10460.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].text |
管理上認為就足以應付 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].start |
10460.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].end |
10462.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].text |
現在實務上的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].start |
10462.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].end |
10464.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].text |
那我想還是尊重主管機關的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].start |
10464.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].end |
10466.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].text |
沒有去動到原來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].start |
10466.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].end |
10468.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].text |
法定構成要件跟行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].start |
10469.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].end |
10471.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].text |
然後我要跟委員說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].start |
10471.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].end |
10473.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].text |
因為土石採取法裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].start |
10473.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].end |
10475.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].text |
大部分是業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].start |
10475.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].end |
10477.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].text |
土石業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].start |
10477.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].end |
10479.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].text |
所以他的下限把他拉高沒有太大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].start |
10479.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].end |
10481.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].text |
但是我們今天水保法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].start |
10481.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].end |
10483.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].text |
的那個違規有一般是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].start |
10483.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].end |
10485.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].text |
很多是自然人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].start |
10485.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].end |
10487.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].text |
有的是農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].start |
10487.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].end |
10489.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].text |
所以如果您後面的那個罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].start |
10489.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].end |
10491.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].text |
就算您的行動下限都把他拉高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].start |
10491.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].end |
10493.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].text |
恐怕遇到我們這種純農業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].start |
10493.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].end |
10495.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].text |
或者是自然人那些違規 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].start |
10495.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].end |
10497.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].text |
也都一律適用跟業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].start |
10497.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].end |
10499.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].text |
所以我覺得可能有要思考他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].start |
10499.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].end |
10501.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].text |
政策這樣適不適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].start |
10502.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].end |
10504.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].start |
10503.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].end |
10505.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].text |
所以我們還是維持這個加重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].start |
10505.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].end |
10507.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].text |
行情是二分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].start |
10507.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].end |
10509.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].text |
維持線型條文的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].start |
10509.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].end |
10511.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].text |
就是行度的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].start |
10511.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].end |
10513.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].text |
行度的部分都維持線型的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].start |
10513.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].end |
10515.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].text |
因為他的確跟第一項還是有落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].start |
10515.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].end |
10517.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].text |
所以你們就是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].start |
10517.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].end |
10519.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].text |
好 了解你的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].start |
10519.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].end |
10521.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].text |
就是還是維持原本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].start |
10521.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].end |
10523.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].text |
加重其行之二分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].start |
10523.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].end |
10525.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].text |
這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].start |
10525.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].end |
10527.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].text |
但是罰金金額我們就是維持我們的上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].start |
10527.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].end |
10529.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].text |
一律標籤那些的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].start |
10531.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].end |
10533.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].text |
好 那你們就是再寫一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].start |
10533.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].end |
10535.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].text |
我們就提再修正統一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].start |
10535.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].end |
10537.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].text |
讓我們委員簽 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].start |
10537.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].end |
10539.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].text |
委員就在這 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].start |
10541 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].end |
10543 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].text |
委員那個螢幕的部分來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].start |
10543 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].end |
10545 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].text |
就是紅色的部分就是我們修正的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].start |
10545 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].end |
10547 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].text |
其餘的條文都跟線型條文一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].start |
10550.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].end |
10552.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].text |
三個額度改 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].start |
10551.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].end |
10553.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].text |
再稍微放大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].start |
10553.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].end |
10555.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].text |
是那個病 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].start |
10555.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].end |
10557.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].text |
是那個病 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].start |
10559.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].end |
10561.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].text |
是那個病 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].start |
10565.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].end |
10567.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].text |
第一項就是把原來委員的200萬劃掉而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].start |
10567.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].end |
10569.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].start |
10569.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].end |
10571.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].text |
好 第二項我看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].start |
10572.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].end |
10574.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].text |
加重刑期二分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].start |
10574.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].end |
10576.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].text |
兌病科新臺幣一億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].start |
10576.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].end |
10578.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].text |
以下罰金兌病科八千萬元以下罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].start |
10580.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].end |
10582.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].start |
10584.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].end |
10586.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].start |
10585.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].end |
10587.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].text |
這樣好不好 把它印出來我們這個委員簽名 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].start |
10587.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].end |
10589.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].text |
再修正統一就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].start |
10592.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].end |
10594.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].text |
包括剛剛那一條也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].start |
10594.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].end |
10596.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].start |
10595.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].end |
10597.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].text |
就是前面的第23條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].start |
10597.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].end |
10599.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].text |
32條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].start |
10601.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].end |
10603.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].text |
233 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].start |
10603.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].end |
10605.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].text |
對阿23條32條都寫出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].start |
10605.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].end |
10607.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].text |
印出來我們就再修正統一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].start |
10607.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].end |
10609.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].text |
我已經說獲什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].start |
10608.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].end |
10610.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].text |
沒有啦 第23啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].start |
10610.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].end |
10612.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].text |
會加貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].start |
10612.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].end |
10614.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].text |
文字啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].start |
10614.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].end |
10616.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].text |
他就是說文字給他寫出來我們看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].start |
10616.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].end |
10618.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].text |
再修正統一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].start |
10618.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].end |
10620.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].text |
好 第32條就這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].start |
10620.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].end |
10622.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].text |
再來我們看第33條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].start |
10622.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].end |
10624.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].text |
那33條也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].start |
10624.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].end |
10626.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].text |
我們也同意委員提高罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].start |
10626.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].end |
10628.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].text |
的法案的上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].start |
10628.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].end |
10630.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].text |
但是建議為是暗示的處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].start |
10630.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].end |
10632.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].text |
對 我已經改成暗示了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].start |
10632.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].end |
10634.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].text |
然後罰金不訂下限的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].start |
10634.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].end |
10636.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].text |
這剛才已經都特別提到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].start |
10638.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].end |
10640.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].text |
然後委員那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].start |
10640.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].end |
10642.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].text |
第二項的部分有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].start |
10642.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].end |
10644.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].text |
那個最下面有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].start |
10644.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].end |
10646.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].text |
最下面應由誰來負擔這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].start |
10646.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].end |
10648.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].text |
現行條文是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].start |
10648.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].end |
10650.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].text |
經營人使用人或所有人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].start |
10650.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].end |
10652.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].text |
那我們剛剛23條創造一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].start |
10652.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].end |
10654.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].text |
我們就想說是違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].start |
10654.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].end |
10656.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].text |
所以這邊的第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].start |
10656.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].end |
10658.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].text |
會加 所以我們會優先找 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].start |
10658.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].end |
10660.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].text |
違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].start |
10660.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].end |
10662.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].text |
應由違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].start |
10662.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].end |
10664.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].text |
經營人使用人或所有人負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].start |
10664.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].end |
10666.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].text |
我們會加這一段 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].start |
10666.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].end |
10668.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].text |
加違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].start |
10668.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].end |
10670.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].text |
負擔的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].start |
10670.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].end |
10674.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].text |
然後罰金的額度都 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].start |
10674.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].end |
10676.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].text |
尊重委員的部分調高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].start |
10678.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].end |
10680.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].text |
就是你們不要下限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].start |
10680.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].end |
10682.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].text |
下限不要上 不要動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].start |
10682.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].end |
10684.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].text |
上限這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].start |
10684.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].end |
10686.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].text |
委員的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].start |
10687.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].end |
10689.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].start |
10688.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].end |
10690.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].text |
法務局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].start |
10691.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].end |
10693.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].text |
跟主席說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].start |
10693.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].end |
10695.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].text |
就說33條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].start |
10695.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].end |
10697.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].text |
呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].start |
10697.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].end |
10701.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].text |
修正的主要是在第一項的第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].start |
10701.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].end |
10702.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].text |
第二款的後段 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].start |
10702.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].end |
10704.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].text |
增訂了一段未經同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].start |
10704.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].end |
10706.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].text |
三資開發經營使用者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].start |
10706.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].end |
10708.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].text |
的行政處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].start |
10708.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].end |
10710.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].text |
那關於他的裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].start |
10710.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].end |
10712.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].text |
行政處罰的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].start |
10712.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].end |
10714.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].text |
這個部分我們就尊重主管機關的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].start |
10714.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].end |
10716.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].text |
不過我們必須要提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].start |
10716.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].end |
10718.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].text |
就是說因為第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].start |
10718.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].end |
10720.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].text |
他會連動到第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].start |
10720.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].end |
10722.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].text |
第三項是一個刑事處罰的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].start |
10722.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].end |
10724.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].text |
第三項是一個刑事處罰的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].start |
10724.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].end |
10726.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].text |
第三項是一個刑事處罰的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].start |
10726.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].end |
10728.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].text |
第三項是規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].start |
10728.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].end |
10730.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].text |
第一項第二款有這些情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].start |
10730.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].end |
10732.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].text |
自生水土流失 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].start |
10732.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].end |
10734.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].text |
他後面有一些那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].start |
10734.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].end |
10736.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].text |
刑事處罰的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].start |
10736.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].end |
10738.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].text |
所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].start |
10739.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].end |
10741.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].text |
這個部分不是只單純 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].start |
10741.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].end |
10743.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].text |
行政處 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].start |
10743.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].end |
10745.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].text |
行政裁罰的部分他會連動到第三項的行政處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].start |
10745.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].end |
10747.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].text |
行政處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].start |
10747.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].end |
10749.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].text |
他規範的這種行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].start |
10749.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].end |
10751.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].text |
這種類型 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].start |
10751.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].end |
10753.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].text |
未經同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].start |
10753.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].end |
10755.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].text |
擅自開發經營的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].start |
10755.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].end |
10757.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].start |
10756.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].end |
10758.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].text |
處罰的類型 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].start |
10758.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].end |
10760.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].text |
跟32條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].start |
10760.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].end |
10762.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].text |
前面那一條32條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].start |
10762.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].end |
10764.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].text |
在公有土地等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].start |
10764.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].end |
10766.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].text |
擅自懇職 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].start |
10766.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].end |
10768.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].text |
佔用或者從事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].start |
10768.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].end |
10770.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].text |
相關的開發經營使用行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].start |
10770.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].end |
10772.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].text |
他本來就整條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].start |
10772.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].end |
10774.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].text |
都有一個完整的刑事處罰規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].start |
10774.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].end |
10776.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].start |
10776.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].end |
10778.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].text |
這樣的話他會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].start |
10778.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].end |
10780.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].text |
透過33條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].start |
10780.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].end |
10782.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].text |
第三項的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].start |
10782.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].end |
10784.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].text |
他會跟32條現有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].start |
10784.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].end |
10786.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].text |
刑事處罰規定會產生進合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].start |
10786.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].end |
10788.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].text |
那要件又不太一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].start |
10788.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].end |
10790.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].text |
因為32條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].start |
10790.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].end |
10792.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].text |
會拉出來做刑事處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].start |
10792.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].end |
10794.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].text |
但是限定在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].start |
10794.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].end |
10796.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].text |
林區山坡地 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].start |
10797.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].end |
10799.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].text |
然後他處罰的類型 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].start |
10799.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].end |
10801.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].text |
比我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].start |
10801.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].end |
10803.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].text |
後面委員的提案還廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].start |
10803.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].end |
10805.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].text |
除了開發行為之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].start |
10805.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].end |
10807.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].text |
他還包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].start |
10807.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].end |
10809.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].text |
佔用懇職等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].start |
10810.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].end |
10812.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].text |
如果在33條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].start |
10812.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].end |
10814.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].text |
的第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].start |
10814.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].end |
10816.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].text |
後段直接加進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].start |
10816.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].end |
10818.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].text |
這一個新增的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].start |
10818.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].end |
10820.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].text |
他會產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].start |
10820.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].end |
10822.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].text |
跟32條之間有進合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].start |
10822.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].end |
10824.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].text |
有矛盾的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].start |
10824.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].end |
10826.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].text |
所以我們是建議說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].start |
10826.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].end |
10828.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].text |
如果主管機關這邊接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].start |
10828.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].end |
10830.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].text |
要增訂這一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].start |
10830.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].end |
10832.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].text |
那不要把它直接加在第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].start |
10832.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].end |
10834.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].text |
另立一個第三款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].start |
10834.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].end |
10836.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].text |
委員您的修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].start |
10836.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].end |
10838.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].start |
10838.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].end |
10840.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].text |
法務部講的這個問題都不存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].start |
10840.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].end |
10842.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].text |
剛剛委員您的修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].start |
10842.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].end |
10844.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].text |
33條第一項第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].start |
10844.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].end |
10846.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].text |
他沒有後半段 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].start |
10846.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].end |
10848.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].text |
如果這個拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].start |
10848.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].end |
10850.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].text |
當然就沒有這個問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].start |
10850.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].end |
10852.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].text |
如果說主管機關要接受的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].start |
10852.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].end |
10854.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].text |
我們建議他要另立一款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].start |
10854.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].end |
10856.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].text |
就不會去牽動到第三項的刑事處罰規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].start |
10856.74 |
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10858.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].text |
所以這樣建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].start |
10858.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].end |
10860.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].text |
你們把討論到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].start |
10860.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].end |
10862.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].text |
大家最新有共識的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].start |
10862.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].end |
10864.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].text |
不然那個已經刪掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].start |
10864.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].end |
10866.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].text |
法務部還在講這個內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].start |
10866.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].end |
10868.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].text |
沒有因為他剛沒有看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].start |
10868.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].end |
10870.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].text |
委員的後來修正動議今天才發 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].start |
10870.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].end |
10872.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].text |
那委員您剛的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].start |
10872.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].end |
10874.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].text |
未經同意我已經跟您說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].start |
10874.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].end |
10876.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].text |
是用我們23條的第二項就可以處理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].start |
10876.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].end |
10878.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].text |
所以您的罰則那個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].start |
10878.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].end |
10880.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].text |
就可以不用處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].start |
10880.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].end |
10882.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].text |
因為他就是當然違法23條第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].start |
10882.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].end |
10884.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].text |
所以他的33條的第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].start |
10884.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].end |
10886.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].text |
第二款就可以處理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].start |
10886.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].end |
10888.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].text |
都是一併處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].start |
10888.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].end |
10890.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].text |
所以這邊33條就會非常的單純 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].start |
10890.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].end |
10892.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].text |
就是用現行條文的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].start |
10892.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].end |
10894.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].text |
您的罰款的額度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].start |
10894.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].end |
10896.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].text |
我們上限調高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].start |
10896.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].end |
10898.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].text |
然後第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].start |
10898.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].end |
10900.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].text |
義務人最後段的義務人加了一個違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].start |
10900.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].end |
10902.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].text |
因為費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].start |
10902.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].end |
10904.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].text |
一定先找違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].start |
10904.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].end |
10906.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].text |
這個地方加進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].start |
10906.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].end |
10908.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].text |
你現在是在33吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].start |
10908.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].end |
10910.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].text |
我再講33對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].start |
10910.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].end |
10912.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].text |
33第二項有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].start |
10912.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].end |
10914.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].text |
那您現在提的當然有未經同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].start |
10914.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].end |
10916.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].text |
我剛剛是簽您的修正是為了23條來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].start |
10916.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].end |
10918.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].text |
那23條我們剛剛處理完畢了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].start |
10918.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].end |
10920.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].text |
我們現在就處理完畢了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].start |
10920.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].end |
10922.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].text |
所以他第一項第二款是不用修的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].start |
10922.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].end |
10924.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].text |
就是維持我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].start |
10924.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].end |
10926.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].text |
第一項第二款的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].start |
10926.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].end |
10929.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].text |
所以我就說你把討論到現在的文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].start |
10929.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].end |
10931.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].text |
你把它提出來嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].start |
10931.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].end |
10933.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].text |
不然每個單位都還在講過去式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].start |
10933.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].end |
10936.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].text |
已經討論過了還在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].start |
10936.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].end |
10938.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].text |
先列了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].start |
10940.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].end |
10942.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].text |
我們33條罰金額度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].start |
10942.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].end |
10944.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].text |
委員上限是300 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].start |
10944.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].end |
10946.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].text |
那個罰制處不要那麼緊張 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].start |
10946.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].end |
10950.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].text |
主席我大概充分了解主席心裡的明白 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].start |
10950.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].end |
10952.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].text |
就是主席一直很在意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].start |
10952.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].end |
10954.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].text |
他們的提案內容對於那些行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].start |
10954.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].end |
10956.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].text |
他本來就是沒有經過同意的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].start |
10956.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].end |
10958.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].text |
那個在已經23條已經處理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].start |
10958.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].end |
10960.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].text |
那我們現在原條文的33條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].start |
10960.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].end |
10962.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].text |
他的第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].start |
10962.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].end |
10964.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].text |
他要寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].start |
10964.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].end |
10966.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].text |
或違反第23條規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].start |
10966.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].end |
10968.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].text |
那因為23條規定已經把 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].start |
10968.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].end |
10972.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].text |
違規行為人已經放進去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].start |
10972.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].end |
10976.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].text |
所以23條經過那樣的修改之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].start |
10976.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].end |
10978.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].text |
他已經後面不用再加上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].start |
10978.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].end |
10980.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].text |
未經同意而擅自開發經營使用者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].start |
10980.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].end |
10982.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].text |
這些文字這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].start |
10982.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].end |
10984.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].text |
因為那在23條已經放到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].start |
10984.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].end |
10986.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].text |
所謂違規行為人的裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].start |
10986.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].end |
10988.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].text |
只要那23條是屬於違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].start |
10988.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].end |
10992.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].text |
他就會適用到33條的第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].start |
10992.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].end |
10994.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].text |
所以不用在後面那一段 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].start |
10994.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].end |
10996.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].text |
因為當時我們提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].start |
10996.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].end |
10998.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].text |
是32條是未經同意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].start |
10998.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].end |
11000.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].text |
那33條是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].start |
11000.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].end |
11002.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].text |
我同意嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].start |
11002.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].end |
11004.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].text |
然後他違規使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].start |
11004.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].end |
11006.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].text |
就是把這個分出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].start |
11006.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].end |
11008.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].text |
然後精神好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].start |
11008.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].end |
11010.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].text |
然後他該有的罰則拉高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].start |
11010.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].end |
11012.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].text |
就這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].start |
11012.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].end |
11014.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].text |
就這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].start |
11015.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].end |
11017.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].start |
11017.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].end |
11019.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].text |
阿英出來了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].start |
11020.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].end |
11022.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].text |
決定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].start |
11023.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].end |
11025.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].text |
我們沒有帶音感機來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].start |
11028.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].end |
11030.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].start |
11029.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].end |
11031.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].text |
現在電腦系統重新開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].start |
11041.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].end |
11043.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].text |
33條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].start |
11043.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].end |
11045.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].text |
螢幕上是33條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].start |
11045.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].end |
11047.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].text |
已經在印了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].start |
11047.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].end |
11049.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].text |
第一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].start |
11049.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].end |
11051.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].text |
往下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].start |
11051.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].end |
11053.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].text |
第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].start |
11053.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].end |
11055.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].text |
違反23條規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].start |
11055.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].end |
11057.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].text |
那為什麼23條已經把違規行為人放進去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].start |
11057.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].end |
11059.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].start |
11062.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].end |
11064.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].text |
再往下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].start |
11064.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].end |
11066.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].text |
就這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].start |
11066.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].end |
11068.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].text |
就加了一個違規行為人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].start |
11075.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].end |
11077.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].text |
再往下看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].start |
11077.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].end |
11079.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].text |
往下應該就沒有了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].start |
11078.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].end |
11080.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].text |
就是上限調高而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].start |
11083.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].end |
11085.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].text |
好這樣子OK |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].start |
11087.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].end |
11089.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].text |
那就是印出來我們幾個委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].start |
11089.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].end |
11091.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].text |
簽一下再修正同意好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].start |
11096.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].end |
11098.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].start |
11100.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].end |
11102.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].text |
文字還沒出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].start |
11102.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].end |
11104.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].text |
沒辦法念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].start |
11104.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].end |
11106.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].text |
簽完你之後再簽 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].start |
11106.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].end |
11108.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].text |
可以吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].start |
11112.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].end |
11114.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].text |
等一下再宣讀吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].start |
11115.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].end |
11117.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].text |
我們先進行往下的好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].start |
11119.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].end |
11121.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].text |
你們還是一樣要印出來給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].start |
11121.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].end |
11123.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].start |
11129.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].end |
11131.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].text |
好我們現在行商討論事項三 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].start |
11131.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].end |
11133.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].text |
有關山破地保疫利用條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].start |
11133.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].end |
11135.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].text |
部分條文相關修正長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].start |
11135.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].end |
11137.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].text |
跟我拍的版本及政天才委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].start |
11137.5 |
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等等之修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].start |
11139.5 |
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| transcript.whisperx[3822].text |
以本次會議一併審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].start |
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那我們先從第二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].start |
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開始先請農業部 |
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| transcript.whisperx[3825].text |
說明 |
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| transcript.whisperx[3826].text |
第二條也是一樣就是配合行政院主持改造 |
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11150.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].end |
11152.47 |
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就是我們自治委員的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].start |
11156.14 |
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11158.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].text |
好所以我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].start |
11158.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].end |
11160.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].text |
就 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].start |
11160.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].end |
11164.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].text |
萬美齡委員林丹化文政天才委員等人的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].start |
11164.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].end |
11166.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].text |
加按通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].start |
11167.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].end |
11169.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].text |
對還有謝一芬委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].start |
11169.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].end |
11171.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].text |
通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].start |
11172.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].end |
11174.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].text |
現在的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].start |
11174.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].end |
11176.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].text |
民眾黨團第十條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].start |
11176.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].end |
11178.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].text |
第十條的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].start |
11178.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].end |
11180.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].text |
委員這邊寫一個未經同意的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].start |
11180.28 |
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11182.28 |
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可是在現行的文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].start |
11182.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].end |
11184.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].text |
那個擅自 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].start |
11184.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].end |
11186.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].text |
其實就已經涵蓋了未經同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].start |
11186.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].end |
11188.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].text |
所以我們是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].start |
11188.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].end |
11190.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].text |
為行現行的一個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].start |
11195.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].end |
11197.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].text |
三波未經同意不得擅自 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].start |
11200.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].end |
11202.64 |
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對啊三字這個字眼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].start |
11202.64 |
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11204.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].text |
當初第十條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].start |
11204.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].end |
11206.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].text |
跟委員說明一下當初第十條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].start |
11206.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].end |
11208.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].text |
在公有或他人三波地內不得擅自 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].start |
11208.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].end |
11210.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].text |
懇職佔用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].start |
11210.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].end |
11212.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].text |
擅自的意思一定就是沒有經過同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].start |
11213.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].end |
11215.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].text |
所以他這個文字內涵已經包含未經同意的意思了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].start |
11215.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].end |
11217.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].text |
所以我們建議是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].start |
11217.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].end |
11219.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].text |
維持現行條文不予修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].start |
11219.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].end |
11221.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].text |
因為文意是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].start |
11226.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].end |
11228.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].text |
我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].start |
11228.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].end |
11230.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].text |
當初我們為什麼要下這個的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].start |
11230.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].end |
11232.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].text |
再回想一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].start |
11233.8 |
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11235.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].start |
11246.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].end |
11248.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].text |
未經同意不得懇職 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].start |
11248.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].end |
11250.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].text |
這跟不得擅自懇職是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].start |
11250.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].end |
11252.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].text |
不用多好嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].start |
11252.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].end |
11254.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].text |
未經同意不得懇職 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].start |
11255.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].end |
11257.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].text |
對也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].start |
11259.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].end |
11261.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].text |
濃度這樣可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].start |
11261.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].end |
11263.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].text |
就是未經同意不得懇職 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].start |
11265.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].end |
11267.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].text |
跟不得擅自可能是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].start |
11268.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].end |
11270.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].text |
感覺未經同意比較理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].start |
11273.09 |
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11275.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].text |
我自治是主席啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].start |
11275.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].end |
11277.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].text |
因為未經同意就要有一個人同意嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].start |
11277.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].end |
11279.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].text |
那擅自是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].start |
11279.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].end |
11281.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].text |
我就大主大義台語就不一樣了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].start |
11281.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].end |
11283.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].text |
不經過你同意我不行做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].start |
11283.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].end |
11285.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].text |
我不行大主大義做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].start |
11285.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].end |
11287.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].text |
當然才不經過同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].start |
11287.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].end |
11289.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].text |
因為我們也不會那麼無聊說為什麼要加這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].start |
11289.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].end |
11291.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].text |
因為那時候就是你沒有經過這個同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].start |
11291.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].end |
11293.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].text |
因為擅自就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].start |
11294.45 |
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11296.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].start |
11296.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].end |
11298.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].text |
全人同意啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].start |
11298.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].end |
11300.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].text |
擅自就包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].start |
11299.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].end |
11301.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].text |
更明確一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].start |
11303.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].end |
11305.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].text |
那是不是未經同意不得懇職 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].start |
11307.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].end |
11309.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].text |
因為如果未經同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].start |
11309.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].end |
11311.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].text |
他還會不會還有一個主持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].start |
11311.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].end |
11313.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].text |
未經誰同意不得懇職 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].start |
11313.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].end |
11315.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].text |
未經同意不得懇職 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].start |
11316.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].end |
11318.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].start |
11318.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].end |
11320.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].start |
11322.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].end |
11324.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].text |
那我們就修正通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].start |
11328.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].end |
11330.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].text |
非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].start |
11331.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].end |
11333.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].text |
第15條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].start |
11333.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].end |
11335.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].text |
徐富可羅志強 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].start |
11334.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].end |
11336.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].text |
提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].start |
11336.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].end |
11338.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].text |
請說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].start |
11338.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].end |
11340.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].text |
第15條這邊我們現行的文字是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].start |
11340.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].end |
11342.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].text |
發生災害之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].start |
11342.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].end |
11344.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].text |
那他的文字範圍其實也包含了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].start |
11344.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].end |
11346.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].text |
危害人身安全之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].start |
11347.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].end |
11349.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].start |
11348.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].end |
11350.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].text |
但是我們是希望這樣明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].start |
11350.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].end |
11352.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].text |
所以你們應該也沒有意見吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].start |
11352.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].end |
11354.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].text |
不是委員您如果這樣寫人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].start |
11354.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].end |
11356.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].text |
別人就可能會問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].start |
11356.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].end |
11358.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].text |
那財產的安全呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].start |
11358.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].end |
11360.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].text |
那所以那時候我們就前面有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].start |
11360.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].end |
11362.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].text |
自身自有發生災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].start |
11362.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].end |
11364.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].text |
之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].start |
11364.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].end |
11366.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].text |
那時候的意思只要有災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].start |
11366.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].end |
11368.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].text |
那災害之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].start |
11368.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].end |
11370.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].text |
那範圍會很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].start |
11370.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].end |
11372.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].text |
如果你只限人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].start |
11372.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].end |
11374.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].text |
那財產呢還有很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].start |
11374.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].end |
11376.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].text |
部分要處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].start |
11376.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].end |
11378.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].text |
所以我們會比較建議是說是不是還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].start |
11378.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].end |
11380.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].text |
維持現行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].start |
11380.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].end |
11382.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].text |
都發生災害或危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].start |
11382.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].end |
11384.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].text |
公共設施之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].start |
11384.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].end |
11386.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].text |
所以意思是說只要有這樣的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].start |
11386.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].end |
11388.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].text |
我們就要做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].start |
11388.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].end |
11390.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].text |
我們就可以做限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].start |
11390.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].end |
11392.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].text |
所以您後面限說人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].start |
11392.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].end |
11394.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].text |
可能就會凸顯怪異漏漫的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].start |
11395.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].end |
11397.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].text |
不是我提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].start |
11398.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].end |
11400.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].text |
那麼我很好奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].start |
11401.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].end |
11403.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].text |
那麼危害公共設施是不是等同於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].start |
11404.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].end |
11406.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].start |
11405.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].end |
11407.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].text |
發生災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].start |
11407.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].end |
11409.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].text |
危害公共設施算不算發生災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].start |
11409.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].end |
11411.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].text |
有沒有被涵蓋在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].start |
11411.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].end |
11413.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].start |
11412.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].end |
11414.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].text |
發生災害是已經要發生了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].start |
11414.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].end |
11416.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].start |
11416.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].end |
11418.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].text |
要明確的生命人身 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].start |
11418.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].end |
11420.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].text |
財產的損失叫災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].start |
11420.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].end |
11422.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].text |
那危害公共設施是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].start |
11422.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].end |
11424.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].text |
危害公共設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].start |
11424.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].end |
11426.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].text |
所以你這個之虞是只有修飾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].start |
11426.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].end |
11428.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].text |
危害公共設施還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].start |
11429.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].end |
11431.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].text |
連同災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].start |
11431.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].end |
11433.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].text |
連發生災害之虞都在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].start |
11433.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].end |
11435.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].start |
11435.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].end |
11437.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].text |
那如果你連發生災害之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].start |
11437.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].end |
11439.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].text |
跟危害公共設施之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].start |
11439.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].end |
11441.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].text |
那麼請問危害公共設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].start |
11441.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].end |
11443.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].start |
11442.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].end |
11444.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].text |
涵蓋在發生災害的當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].start |
11445.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].end |
11447.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].text |
也是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].start |
11447.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].end |
11449.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].text |
也是嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].start |
11449.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].end |
11451.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].text |
所以其實它這裡面的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].start |
11451.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].end |
11453.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].text |
這個法條的原因是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].start |
11453.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].end |
11455.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].text |
只要發生災害之虞就應該限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].start |
11455.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].end |
11457.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].text |
那特別強調這個發生災害的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].start |
11457.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].end |
11459.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].text |
還特別標示 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].start |
11459.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].end |
11461.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].text |
公共設施也是其中之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].start |
11461.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].end |
11463.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].start |
11462.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].end |
11464.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].text |
公共設施是在前面災害的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].start |
11464.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].end |
11466.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].text |
含色的範圍內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].start |
11466.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].end |
11468.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].text |
那如果按照這個邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].start |
11468.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].end |
11470.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].text |
人身安全也在這個災害的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].start |
11470.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].end |
11472.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].text |
含色範圍內沒有寫到的財產 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].start |
11472.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].end |
11474.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].text |
也害這個災害的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].start |
11474.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].end |
11476.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].text |
含色範圍內所以其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].start |
11476.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].end |
11478.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].text |
不管是加入 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].start |
11478.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].end |
11480.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].text |
危害公共設施或是人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].start |
11480.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].end |
11482.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].text |
都是在災害的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].start |
11482.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].end |
11484.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].text |
下立法者強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].start |
11484.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].end |
11486.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].text |
強調我們的目的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].start |
11486.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].end |
11488.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].text |
的課題所以我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].start |
11488.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].end |
11490.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].text |
這個到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].start |
11489.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].end |
11491.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].text |
也沒有關係啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].start |
11490.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].end |
11492.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].text |
委員只是說您說的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].start |
11492.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].end |
11494.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].text |
您說的這種說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].start |
11494.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].end |
11496.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].text |
也算一個說法但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].start |
11496.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].end |
11498.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].text |
它也可能凸顯另外一個說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].start |
11498.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].end |
11500.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].text |
為什麼因為你現在如果假設 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].start |
11500.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].end |
11502.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].text |
危害公共設施及人身安全之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].start |
11502.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].end |
11504.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].text |
我特別把它寫出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].start |
11504.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].end |
11506.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].text |
公共設施人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].start |
11506.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].end |
11508.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].text |
它是綁在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].start |
11508.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].end |
11510.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].text |
那這樣私人的財產 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].start |
11510.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].end |
11512.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].text |
就不在你手上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].start |
11512.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].end |
11514.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].text |
不會啊在災害裡面啊因為我們只是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].start |
11514.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].end |
11516.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].text |
在災害底下去特別強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].start |
11516.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].end |
11518.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].text |
公共設施 先從就不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].start |
11518.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].end |
11520.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].text |
還要加上人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].start |
11520.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].end |
11522.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].text |
那麼因為在如果災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].start |
11522.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].end |
11524.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].text |
已經含色後面的公共設施了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].start |
11524.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].end |
11526.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].text |
我後面要加人身安全你要加什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].start |
11526.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].end |
11528.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].text |
都是隨便我們要重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].start |
11528.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].end |
11530.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].text |
什麼都可以重視啊其實並沒有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].start |
11530.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].end |
11532.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].text |
民事其一排除其他啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].start |
11532.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].end |
11534.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].text |
並沒有這個意思嘛難道我民事公共設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].start |
11534.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].end |
11536.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].text |
我就排除其他嗎也沒有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].start |
11537.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].end |
11539.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].text |
好我是覺得喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].start |
11538.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].end |
11540.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].text |
委員有這樣的一個目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].start |
11540.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].end |
11542.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].text |
盡量讓委員在立法者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].start |
11542.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].end |
11544.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].text |
彰顯他們的保障的課題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].start |
11544.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].end |
11546.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].start |
11546.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].end |
11548.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].text |
我想我們也尊重委員的意見啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].start |
11548.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].end |
11550.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].text |
因為我們剛才只是表達說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].start |
11550.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].end |
11552.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].text |
就是發生災害之虞其實已經涵蓋了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].start |
11552.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].end |
11554.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].text |
但是如果立法裡面要去凸顯的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].start |
11554.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].end |
11556.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].text |
我想我也尊重委員的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].start |
11557.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].end |
11559.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].text |
好啦這樣子我覺得他只是要強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].start |
11559.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].end |
11561.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].text |
因為你人身嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].start |
11561.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].end |
11563.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].start |
11562.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].end |
11564.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].text |
我們就照徐富奎委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].start |
11564.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].end |
11566.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].text |
羅志強委員的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].start |
11566.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].end |
11568.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].text |
照樣通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].start |
11570.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].end |
11574.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].text |
好接下來臺灣民眾黨黨團第34條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].start |
11574.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].end |
11576.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].text |
34條我們基本上也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].start |
11576.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].end |
11578.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].text |
採取一貫的立場就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].start |
11578.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].end |
11580.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].text |
致誓委員提高罰金的上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].start |
11580.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].end |
11582.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].text |
但是建議維持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].start |
11582.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].end |
11584.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].text |
下限不定下限的一個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].start |
11586.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].end |
11588.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].text |
看一下34條我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].start |
11588.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].end |
11590.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].text |
修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].start |
11595.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].end |
11597.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].text |
所以一樣你也是200萬元以上拿掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].start |
11597.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].end |
11599.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].start |
11598.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].end |
11600.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].text |
修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].start |
11603.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].end |
11605.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].text |
委員下限不定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].start |
11605.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].end |
11607.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].text |
所以基本上來講上限就 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].start |
11607.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].end |
11609.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].text |
維持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].start |
11609.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].end |
11611.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].text |
維持您要到2500萬嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].start |
11611.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].end |
11613.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].start |
11613.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].end |
11615.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].text |
所以第一項就是上限調成2500萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].start |
11615.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].end |
11617.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].text |
那第二項刑罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].start |
11617.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].end |
11619.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].text |
是加重二分之一我們還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].start |
11619.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].end |
11621.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].text |
維持刑刑條文就剛剛跟水保法一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].start |
11621.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].end |
11623.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].start |
11623.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].end |
11625.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].text |
所以上限的部分一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].start |
11625.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].end |
11627.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].text |
您要調成6000萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].start |
11627.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].end |
11629.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].text |
就調成6000萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].start |
11629.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].end |
11631.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].text |
然後有關於致誓中傷的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].start |
11631.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].end |
11633.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].text |
以上十年以下委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].start |
11633.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].end |
11635.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].text |
我們還是維持現行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].start |
11635.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].end |
11637.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].text |
條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].start |
11637.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].end |
11639.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].text |
我們刑度都不調 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].start |
11639.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].end |
11641.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].text |
我們都只調上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].start |
11641.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].end |
11643.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].text |
罰金的部分上限都調成8000萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].start |
11644.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].end |
11646.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].text |
這是第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].start |
11648.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].end |
11650.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].text |
所以第二項只改一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].start |
11650.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].end |
11652.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].text |
沒有三保條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].start |
11652.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].end |
11654.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].text |
就是到三保就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].start |
11654.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].end |
11656.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].text |
刑期的部分就是二分之一的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].start |
11656.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].end |
11658.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].text |
原則然後那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].start |
11658.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].end |
11660.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].text |
新台幣200萬以上的上限就不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].start |
11660.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].end |
11662.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].text |
就這樣子上限我們都 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].start |
11662.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].end |
11664.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].text |
把它拉高跟我們委員版本一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].start |
11666.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].end |
11668.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].text |
刑度我們都不調 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].start |
11668.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].end |
11670.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].text |
只有罰金調他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].start |
11670.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].end |
11672.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].text |
罰金的上限調 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].start |
11672.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].end |
11674.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].text |
所以第二項第三項都一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].start |
11674.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].end |
11676.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].text |
那一樣也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].start |
11676.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].end |
11678.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].text |
就是寫出來我們就是在簽免在修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].start |
11679.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].end |
11681.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].text |
好接下來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].start |
11685.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].end |
11687.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].text |
第35條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].start |
11687.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].end |
11689.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].text |
也是一樣就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].start |
11689.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].end |
11691.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].text |
就是致誓委員提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].start |
11691.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].end |
11693.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].text |
罰金好法案的上限但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].start |
11693.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].end |
11695.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].text |
維持暗次處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].start |
11695.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].end |
11697.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].text |
然後法案的下限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].start |
11697.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].end |
11699.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].text |
跟他的罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].start |
11699.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].end |
11701.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].text |
他不定下限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].start |
11702.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].end |
11704.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].text |
因為我的修正動議也是配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].start |
11704.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].end |
11706.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].text |
那個圖裁法我都改成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].start |
11706.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].end |
11708.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].text |
暗次然後那個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].start |
11708.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].end |
11710.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].text |
改正那個字我把它修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].start |
11710.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].end |
11712.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].text |
掉因為那是錯字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].start |
11712.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].end |
11714.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].text |
然後其他的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].start |
11714.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].end |
11716.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].text |
一樣就是跟上面的法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].start |
11716.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].end |
11718.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].text |
一樣就是下限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].start |
11718.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].end |
11720.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].text |
把它拿掉但上限都維持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].start |
11720.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].end |
11722.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].text |
我們委員的一個調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].start |
11722.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].end |
11724.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].text |
的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].start |
11728.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].end |
11730.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].text |
我們也有這一款 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].start |
11730.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].end |
11732.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].text |
因為我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].start |
11732.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].end |
11734.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].text |
線型條文只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].start |
11734.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].end |
11736.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].text |
因為那個我們的線型條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].start |
11736.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].end |
11738.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].text |
只有兩款 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].start |
11739.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].end |
11741.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].text |
35條是35我們現在討論35條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].start |
11741.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].end |
11743.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].text |
對不對35條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].start |
11743.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].end |
11745.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].text |
的時候用第10條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].start |
11745.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].end |
11747.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].text |
第10條剛回到一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].start |
11747.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].end |
11749.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].text |
第10條委員您的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].start |
11749.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].end |
11751.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].text |
擅自開發的那個部分就跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].start |
11751.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].end |
11753.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].text |
水保法那個邏輯是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].start |
11754.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].end |
11756.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].text |
所以他不用獨立一款出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].start |
11761.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].end |
11763.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].text |
我們線型條文就是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].start |
11763.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].end |
11765.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].text |
因你拒一個為你拒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].start |
11765.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].end |
11767.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].start |
11767.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].end |
11769.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].text |
你看35條線型條文就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].start |
11769.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].end |
11771.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].text |
您這邊第二款依法因你拒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].start |
11771.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].end |
11773.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].text |
而為你拒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].start |
11773.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].end |
11775.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].text |
這就是你擅自為同意去道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].start |
11775.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].end |
11777.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].text |
一樣是沒有你拒水保計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].start |
11777.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].end |
11779.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].text |
所以他用這一款的前段就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].start |
11779.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].end |
11781.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].text |
所以你把它那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].start |
11781.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].end |
11783.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].text |
那個一樣對對對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].start |
11783.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].end |
11785.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].text |
那就是配合修正動議這樣出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].start |
11785.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].end |
11787.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].text |
維持線型條文的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].start |
11787.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].end |
11789.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].text |
格式處理就可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].start |
11788.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].end |
11790.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].text |
要請他們寫出來好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].start |
11792.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].end |
11794.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].text |
35條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].start |
11794.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].end |
11796.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].text |
好一樣也會寫出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].start |
11796.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].end |
11798.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].text |
我們再聽再修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].start |
11800.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].end |
11802.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].start |
11811.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].end |
11813.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].text |
接下來我們進行的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].start |
11815.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].end |
11817.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].text |
第37條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].start |
11817.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].end |
11819.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].text |
37條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].start |
11819.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].end |
11821.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].text |
我想我們尊重原民會的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].start |
11823.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].end |
11825.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].text |
我們就看那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].start |
11825.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].end |
11827.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].text |
最後一次的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].start |
11828.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].end |
11830.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].text |
第一跟第二次的合併到第三個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].start |
11832.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].end |
11834.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].text |
不是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].start |
11834.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].end |
11836.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].text |
就是這個第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].start |
11838.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].end |
11840.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].start |
11840.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].end |
11842.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].text |
就第37條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].start |
11842.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].end |
11844.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].text |
就第37條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].start |
11849.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].end |
11851.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].text |
跟那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].start |
11851.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].end |
11853.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].text |
跟委員報告就是說37條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].start |
11853.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].end |
11855.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].text |
那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].start |
11855.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].end |
11857.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].text |
政委員提案的版本大概有三個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].start |
11857.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].end |
11859.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].text |
第一個重點是有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].start |
11859.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].end |
11861.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].text |
37條第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].start |
11861.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].end |
11863.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].text |
跟第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].start |
11863.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].end |
11865.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].text |
還有就是說那個修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].start |
11865.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].end |
11867.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].text |
第四項的部分分別 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].start |
11867.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].end |
11869.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].text |
針對那個有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].start |
11869.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].end |
11871.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].text |
部落取得原保地所有權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].start |
11871.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].end |
11873.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].text |
的部分有所去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].start |
11873.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].end |
11875.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].text |
修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].start |
11875.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].end |
11877.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].text |
那這個部分本會去會比較建議說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].start |
11877.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].end |
11879.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].text |
那第四項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].start |
11879.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].end |
11881.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].text |
就是原條文的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].start |
11881.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].end |
11883.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].text |
那維持原條文的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].start |
11883.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].end |
11885.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].text |
最主要考慮到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].start |
11885.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].end |
11887.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].text |
因為依照現行土地法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].start |
11887.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].end |
11889.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].text |
跟民法有關於不動產登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].start |
11889.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].end |
11891.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].text |
主體的部分是以自然人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].start |
11891.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].end |
11893.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].text |
跟法人為限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].start |
11893.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].end |
11895.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].text |
那我們先那個修正條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].start |
11895.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].end |
11897.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].text |
的部分因為只有寫部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].start |
11897.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].end |
11899.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].text |
那到底是不是有包含部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].start |
11899.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].end |
11901.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].text |
具有法人資格的部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].start |
11901.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].end |
11903.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].text |
這樣子會覺得在語意上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].start |
11903.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].end |
11905.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].text |
可能在施用上會產生爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].start |
11905.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].end |
11907.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].text |
那這個部分我們是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].start |
11907.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].end |
11909.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].text |
這個部分我們是建議維持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].start |
11909.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].end |
11911.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].text |
原條文的部分不要動 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].start |
11911.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].end |
11913.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].text |
那第二個那個鄭委員提案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].start |
11913.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].end |
11915.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].text |
一個版本就是有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].start |
11915.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].end |
11917.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].text |
政府承受私有原保地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].start |
11917.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].end |
11919.08 |
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土地價值 |
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11919.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].end |
11921.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].text |
就是在那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].start |
11921.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].end |
11923.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].text |
委員的提案修正動議 |
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11923.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].end |
11925.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].text |
的第六項的部分 |
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11925.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].end |
11927.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].text |
委員有建議就是說 |
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11927.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].end |
11929.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].text |
由政府承受私有原保地 |
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11929.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].end |
11931.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].text |
的部分其土地價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].start |
11931.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].end |
11933.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].text |
以公告限制為計算基礎 |
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11933.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].end |
11935.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].text |
那這個部分我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].start |
11935.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].end |
11937.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].text |
這個部分是不是容許我們加一個 |
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11937.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].end |
11939.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].text |
但書的規定就是因為 |
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11939.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].end |
11941.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].text |
考量到就是說 |
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11941.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].end |
11943.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].text |
原保地的公告限制其實 |
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11943.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].end |
11945.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].text |
是蠻低的那你如果再加上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].start |
11945.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].end |
11947.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].text |
市層的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].start |
11947.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].end |
11949.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].text |
也是還是很低啦所以我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].start |
11949.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].end |
11951.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].text |
會建議說我們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].start |
11951.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].end |
11953.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].text |
參彩 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].start |
11953.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].end |
11955.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].text |
委員的建議的部分但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].start |
11955.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].end |
11957.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].text |
後面在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].start |
11957.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].end |
11959.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].text |
就是後面加一段但書就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].start |
11959.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].end |
11961.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].text |
但經不動產 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].start |
11961.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].end |
11963.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].text |
估價公會查估 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].start |
11963.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].end |
11965.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].text |
高於該基準者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].start |
11965.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].end |
11967.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].text |
不在此限那保就這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].start |
11967.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].end |
11969.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].text |
有關於我們政府承受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].start |
11969.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].end |
11971.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].text |
私有原保地的土地價值部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].start |
11971.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].end |
11973.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].text |
就未必就是用一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].start |
11973.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].end |
11975.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].text |
單一的標準那如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].start |
11975.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].end |
11977.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].text |
我們的不動產 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].start |
11977.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].end |
11979.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].text |
估價公會他查估的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].start |
11979.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].end |
11981.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].text |
他的土地價值是高於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].start |
11981.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].end |
11983.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].text |
公告限制加那個市層 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].start |
11983.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].end |
11985.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].text |
的話那其實這樣子的話會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].start |
11985.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].end |
11987.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].text |
比較有利於我們族人土地權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].start |
11987.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].end |
11989.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].text |
的保障這個部分我們也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].start |
11989.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].end |
11991.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].text |
參彩委員的建議然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].start |
11991.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].end |
11993.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].text |
但是增加但書的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].start |
11993.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].end |
11995.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].text |
規定來保持這樣子一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].start |
11995.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].end |
11997.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].text |
彈性那第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].start |
11997.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].end |
11999.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].text |
重點的部分就是委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].start |
11999.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].end |
12001.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].text |
提到就是說建民登記所產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].start |
12001.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].end |
12003.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].text |
的一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].start |
12003.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].end |
12005.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].text |
那其實的確如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].start |
12005.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].end |
12007.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].text |
依照108年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].start |
12007.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].end |
12009.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].text |
最高法院民視庭民視 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].start |
12009.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].end |
12011.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].text |
大法庭的一個決議跟今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].start |
12011.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].end |
12013.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].text |
才剛剛出爐的6月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].start |
12013.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].end |
12015.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].text |
25號最高法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].start |
12015.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].end |
12017.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].text |
的台上至3月1號的判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].start |
12017.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].end |
12019.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].text |
那這個部分也是針對建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].start |
12019.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].end |
12021.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].text |
有去做一個判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].start |
12021.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].end |
12023.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].text |
那我們在我們原民會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].start |
12023.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].end |
12025.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].text |
針對委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].start |
12026.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].end |
12028.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].text |
這樣子的一個建民登記的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].start |
12028.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].end |
12030.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].text |
房子房度的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].start |
12030.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].end |
12032.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].text |
我們競表贊成但是具體 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].start |
12032.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].end |
12034.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].text |
修正的文字的部分因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].start |
12034.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].end |
12036.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].text |
我跟委員報告我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].start |
12036.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].end |
12038.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].text |
我們已經報請行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].start |
12038.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].end |
12040.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].text |
審議的原住民保護地權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].start |
12040.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].end |
12042.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].text |
回覆及管理利用條例的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].start |
12042.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].end |
12044.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].text |
針對建民登記的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].start |
12044.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].end |
12046.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].text |
其實有完整的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].start |
12046.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].end |
12048.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].text |
那因為我們那個我們同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].start |
12048.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].end |
12050.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].text |
已經有把那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].start |
12049.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].end |
12051.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].text |
具體的修正文字的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].start |
12051.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].end |
12053.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].text |
有去給現在在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].start |
12053.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].end |
12055.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].text |
列印當中啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].start |
12055.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].end |
12057.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].text |
那待會是不是因為文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].start |
12057.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].end |
12059.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].text |
我們建議修正相似的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].start |
12059.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].end |
12061.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].text |
還蠻多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].start |
12061.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].end |
12063.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].text |
但是我們的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].start |
12063.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].end |
12065.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].text |
是跟委員的立場是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].start |
12065.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].end |
12067.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].text |
就是要防止第一個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].start |
12067.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].end |
12069.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].text |
建民登記的部分是無效 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].start |
12069.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].end |
12071.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].text |
那第二個有關於就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].start |
12071.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].end |
12073.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].text |
我們如果私有原保地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].start |
12073.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].end |
12075.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].text |
要交易之前我們是請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].start |
12075.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].end |
12077.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].text |
責成縣市主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].start |
12077.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].end |
12079.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].text |
跟地方執行機關就是相關所的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].start |
12079.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].end |
12081.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].text |
他要去做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].start |
12081.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].end |
12083.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].text |
事前的一個審核 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].start |
12083.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].end |
12085.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].text |
的部分他到底有沒有違反 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].start |
12085.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].end |
12087.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].text |
那個拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].start |
12087.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].end |
12089.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].text |
建民登記情事的這種情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].start |
12089.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].end |
12091.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].text |
換句話說我們的建議的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].start |
12091.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].end |
12093.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].text |
修正條文的部分是把行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].start |
12093.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].end |
12095.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].text |
事前的進入審查的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].start |
12095.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].end |
12097.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].text |
去有做一個更完整的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].start |
12097.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].end |
12099.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].text |
規範那如果事後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].start |
12099.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].end |
12101.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].text |
如果登記之後如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].start |
12101.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].end |
12103.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].text |
查出來就是說他們的確 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].start |
12103.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].end |
12105.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].text |
是有建民登記情事的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].start |
12105.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].end |
12107.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].text |
我們在行政機關的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].start |
12107.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].end |
12109.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].text |
可以透過行政處分的廢止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].start |
12109.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].end |
12111.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].text |
或者撤銷原本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].start |
12111.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].end |
12113.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].text |
所選一展處分的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].start |
12113.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].end |
12115.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].text |
並且喊起登記機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].start |
12115.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].end |
12117.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].text |
來撤銷他的一個登記的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].start |
12117.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].end |
12119.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].text |
回復到未登記的一個狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].start |
12119.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].end |
12121.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].text |
所以這個部分我們會把 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].start |
12121.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].end |
12123.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].text |
原本我們原保 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].start |
12123.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].end |
12125.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].text |
條例已經報警院裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].start |
12125.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].end |
12127.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].text |
成立的條文的部分把這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].start |
12127.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].end |
12129.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].text |
完整的一個配套措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].start |
12129.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].end |
12131.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].text |
把它移列到我們三保條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].start |
12131.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].end |
12133.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].text |
的一些相關的一些相似裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].start |
12133.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].end |
12135.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].text |
所以這個部分跟委員做以上的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].start |
12137.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].end |
12139.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].text |
好 進行調理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].start |
12140.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].end |
12142.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].text |
好 第一個我就從後面講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].start |
12143.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].end |
12145.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].text |
這個因為研民會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].start |
12145.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].end |
12147.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].text |
所提的原住民保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].start |
12148.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].end |
12150.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].text |
什麼條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].start |
12150.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].end |
12152.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].text |
已經報行政院很久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].start |
12153 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].end |
12155 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].text |
行政院被迫要審 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].start |
12155.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].end |
12157.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].text |
這個我們沒有辦法去干預 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].start |
12157.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].end |
12159.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].text |
那現在是這樣我們就 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].start |
12159.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].end |
12161.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].text |
回到這個本席的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].start |
12161.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].end |
12163.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].text |
修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].start |
12163.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].end |
12165.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].text |
修正條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].start |
12165.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].end |
12167.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].text |
為什麼要把部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].start |
12168.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].end |
12170.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].text |
內陸進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].start |
12170.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].end |
12172.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].text |
先不要發 因為等一下還要修 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].start |
12172.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].end |
12174.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].text |
還要修 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].start |
12173.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].end |
12175.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].text |
為什麼要把部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].start |
12175.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].end |
12177.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].text |
要放進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].start |
12177.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].end |
12179.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].text |
最主要在我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].start |
12179.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].end |
12181.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].text |
這個鹽香 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].start |
12183.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].end |
12185.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].text |
原住民私人的土地就是私人的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].start |
12186.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].end |
12188.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].text |
這個土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].start |
12188.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].end |
12190.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].text |
我們原住民私人不會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].start |
12191.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].end |
12193.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].text |
不會去占用不會去使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].start |
12193.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].end |
12195.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].text |
就是部落在使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].start |
12196.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].end |
12198.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].text |
所以這個部分是回到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].start |
12198.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].end |
12200.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].text |
事實 會回到事實面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].start |
12201.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].end |
12203.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].text |
部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].start |
12202.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].end |
12204.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].text |
事實上原計法第二條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].start |
12205.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].end |
12207.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].text |
已經明定部落是公法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].start |
12209.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].end |
12211.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].text |
只不過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].start |
12211 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].end |
12213 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].start |
12212.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].end |
12214.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].text |
法律已經授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].start |
12214.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].end |
12216.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].text |
第二條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].start |
12216.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].end |
12218.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].text |
已經授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].start |
12218 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].end |
12220 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].text |
部落是公法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].start |
12220 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].end |
12222 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].text |
然後授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].start |
12220.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].end |
12222.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].text |
人民會要定這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].start |
12223.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].end |
12225.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].text |
部落公法人的設置辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].start |
12226.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].end |
12228.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].text |
但是一直沒有定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].start |
12228.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].end |
12230.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].text |
已經超過8年了 10年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].start |
12232.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].end |
12234.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].text |
而且蔡總統也說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].start |
12235.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].end |
12237.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].text |
部落公法人的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].start |
12237.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].end |
12239.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].text |
已經上路了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].start |
12239.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].end |
12241.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].text |
現在已經10年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].start |
12242.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].end |
12244.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].text |
如果你有疑慮的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].start |
12245.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].end |
12247.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].text |
部落公法人也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].start |
12250.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].end |
12252.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].start |
12251.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].end |
12253.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].text |
對不對 如果你剛剛講的土地法手 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].start |
12254.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].end |
12258.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].text |
其實我們很多原住民的土地的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].start |
12258.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].end |
12260.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].text |
都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].start |
12261.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].end |
12263.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].text |
現在都是一夜 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].start |
12263.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].end |
12265.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].text |
一夜相關的法律了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].start |
12266.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].end |
12268.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].text |
我們現在政法跟保留地都繼續做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].start |
12268.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].end |
12270.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].text |
沒有法律的意志了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].start |
12271.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].end |
12273.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].text |
因為很特殊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].start |
12273.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].end |
12275.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].text |
也不會增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].start |
12275.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].end |
12277.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].text |
就是部落在使用就是在使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].start |
12277.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].end |
12279.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].text |
也不會去增加那些面積土地了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].start |
12279.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].end |
12281.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].text |
所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].start |
12281.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].end |
12283.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].text |
這個人民會希望能夠支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].start |
12283.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].end |
12285.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].text |
看你要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].start |
12285.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].end |
12287.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].text |
如果你一定要加 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].start |
12287.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].end |
12289.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].text |
部落公法人也沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].start |
12290.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].end |
12292.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].text |
這是第一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].start |
12292.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].end |
12294.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].start |
12294.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].end |
12296.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].text |
這個剛才你講的那個公告限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].start |
12296.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].end |
12298.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].text |
加市城那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].start |
12298.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].end |
12300.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].text |
當然我是參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].start |
12300.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].end |
12302.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].text |
早期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].start |
12302.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].end |
12304.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].text |
土地正式條例了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].start |
12303.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].end |
12305.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].text |
4號 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].start |
12304.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].end |
12306.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].text |
那因為土地之後條例現在修得更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].start |
12306.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].end |
12308.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].text |
但是對原住民保留地來說是有害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].start |
12312.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].end |
12314.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].start |
12313.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].end |
12315.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].text |
因為我們周邊都沒有買賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].start |
12316.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].end |
12318.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].text |
沒有買賣就沒有公告限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].start |
12318.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].end |
12320.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].text |
就沒有那個什麼市價 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].start |
12320.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].end |
12322.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].text |
沒有市價 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].start |
12322.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].end |
12324.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].text |
所以你要加剛才那些文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].start |
12324.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].end |
12326.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].text |
我支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].start |
12326.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].end |
12328.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].start |
12330.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].end |
12332.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].start |
12332.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].end |
12334.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].text |
到數第二項那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].start |
12334.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].end |
12336.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].text |
就是非原住民建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].start |
12336.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].end |
12338.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].text |
無效那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].start |
12338.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].end |
12340.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].text |
你們沒有問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].start |
12340.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].end |
12342.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].text |
報告委員這個部分我們有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].start |
12342.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].end |
12344.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].start |
12344.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].end |
12346.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].text |
無效啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].start |
12346.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].end |
12348.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].text |
對無效這部分是沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].start |
12348.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].end |
12350.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].text |
但是後段那個說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].start |
12350.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].end |
12352.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].text |
中央原住民主管機關因查明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].start |
12352.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].end |
12354.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].text |
並肅情反反這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].start |
12354.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].end |
12356.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].text |
這個部分我們在執行面會有困擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].start |
12356.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].end |
12358.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].start |
12358.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].end |
12360.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].text |
你剛剛有提到地方政府嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].start |
12360.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].end |
12362.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].start |
12362.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].end |
12364.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].text |
這個你可以在那個最後一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].start |
12364.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].end |
12366.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].text |
授權的訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].start |
12366.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].end |
12368.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].text |
授權訂的辦法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].start |
12368.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].end |
12370.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].text |
可以在這個授權訂的辦法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].start |
12370.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].end |
12372.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].text |
去照 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].start |
12372.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].end |
12374.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].text |
去把他明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].start |
12374.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].end |
12376.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].text |
現在也是這樣做啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].start |
12376.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].end |
12378.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].text |
也是依這個授權訂的辦法來做啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].start |
12378.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].end |
12380.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].text |
只不過是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].start |
12379.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].end |
12381.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].text |
很明確的依最高行政法院的判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].start |
12382.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].end |
12384.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].text |
他是無效的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].start |
12385.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].end |
12387.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].text |
要把它法制化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].start |
12387.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].end |
12389.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].text |
地方政府才會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].start |
12389.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].end |
12391.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].text |
重視才會去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].start |
12391.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].end |
12393.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].text |
報告委員因為你這邊如果把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].start |
12393.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].end |
12395.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].text |
變成法律條文的一個象徵的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].start |
12395.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].end |
12397.99 |
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因為這個是規定在法律 |
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12397.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].end |
12399.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].text |
的層次裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].start |
12399.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].end |
12401.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].text |
那如果說這邊明定是中央原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].start |
12401.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].end |
12403.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].text |
主管機關要肅情反反的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].start |
12403.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].end |
12405.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].start |
12405.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].end |
12407.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].text |
地方政府尤其是公所的部分他們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].start |
12407.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].end |
12409.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].text |
覺得說那個是你原民會的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].start |
12409.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].end |
12411.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].text |
他不會去造作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].start |
12411.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].end |
12413.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].text |
我們實務上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].start |
12413.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].end |
12415.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].text |
我要跟委員拜託 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].start |
12415.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].end |
12417.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].text |
因為這個部分不是規定在法律條文裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].start |
12420.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].end |
12422.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].text |
不是我來說我補充一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].start |
12422.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].end |
12424.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].text |
補充一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].start |
12424.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].end |
12426.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].text |
他剛講的現在就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].start |
12428.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].end |
12430.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].text |
現在就是了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].start |
12431.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].end |
12433.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].start |
12432.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].end |
12436.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].text |
原住民保留地的管理機關就是你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].start |
12437.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].end |
12439.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].text |
如果就法律的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].start |
12439.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].end |
12441.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].text |
原住民保留地法律主管也是你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].start |
12443.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].end |
12445.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].start |
12444.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].end |
12446.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].text |
這本來就是你們也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].start |
12447.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].end |
12449.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].text |
好這 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].start |
12448.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].end |
12450.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].text |
這個怎麼樣去把它讓地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].start |
12450.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].end |
12452.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].text |
能夠去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].start |
12452.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].end |
12454.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].text |
去執行所以你們可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].start |
12454.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].end |
12456.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].text |
在那個辦法裡面去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].start |
12456.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].end |
12458.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].text |
去做授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].start |
12458.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].end |
12460.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].text |
我真的是誠實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].start |
12460.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].end |
12462.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].text |
如果說在我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].start |
12462.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].end |
12464.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].text |
最後一個項次授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].start |
12464.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].end |
12466.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].text |
的規定的部分有關於全責 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].start |
12466.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].end |
12468.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].text |
分工的部分去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].start |
12468.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].end |
12470.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].text |
明定一個授權的項次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].start |
12470.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].end |
12472.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].text |
這個我沒意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].start |
12472.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].end |
12474.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].text |
但是我覺得如果說要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].start |
12474.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].end |
12476.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].text |
在那個修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].start |
12476.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].end |
12478.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].text |
動議的第七項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].start |
12478.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].end |
12480.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].text |
後段文字說要由我們原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].start |
12480.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].end |
12482.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].text |
主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].start |
12484.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].end |
12486.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].text |
草裡的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].start |
12485.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].end |
12487.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].text |
我建議一下陳明基的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].start |
12487.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].end |
12489.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].text |
我先問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].start |
12489.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].end |
12491.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].text |
請問目前我們有沒有原住民保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].start |
12491.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].end |
12493.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].text |
不屬於三波地的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].start |
12493.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].end |
12495.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].text |
的範圍有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].start |
12495.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].end |
12497.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].start |
12496.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].end |
12498.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].text |
所以我們要了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].start |
12498.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].end |
12500.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].text |
現在我們在談的是三波地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].start |
12500.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].end |
12502.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].text |
在三波地當中第三次區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].start |
12502.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].end |
12504.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].text |
要處理的時候三波地當中屬於原保 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].start |
12504.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].end |
12506.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].text |
地的部分怎麼處理但是整 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].start |
12506.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].end |
12508.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].text |
體的原住民保留地他不限定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].start |
12508.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].end |
12510.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].text |
在三波地他也有會發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].start |
12510.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].end |
12512.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].text |
建民登記的情況是也會發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].start |
12512.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].end |
12514.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].text |
說國家要使用的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].start |
12514.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].end |
12516.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].text |
要什麼程序使用至於說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].start |
12516.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].end |
12518.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].text |
部落是不是未來可以明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].start |
12518.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].end |
12520.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].text |
在承受人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].start |
12520.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].end |
12522.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].text |
的一個當中那還要有內政 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].start |
12522.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].end |
12524.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].text |
部地政單位去表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].start |
12524.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].end |
12526.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].text |
我是建議我們原保地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].start |
12526.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].end |
12528.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].text |
總體的問題我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].start |
12529.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].end |
12531.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].text |
政天台委員來講這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].start |
12531.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].end |
12533.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].text |
讓我們大家都了解很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].start |
12533.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].end |
12535.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].text |
但是因為我們今天經濟委員會審查的標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].start |
12535.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].end |
12537.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].text |
地是三波地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].start |
12537.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].end |
12539.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].text |
三波地當中在37條特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].start |
12539.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].end |
12541.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].text |
原保地的部分他是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].start |
12541.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].end |
12543.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].text |
在這邊修法的效果要含色到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].start |
12543.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].end |
12545.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].text |
所有的原保地我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].start |
12545.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].end |
12547.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].text |
因是不是請原民會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].start |
12547.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].end |
12549.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].text |
說明一下還有沒有全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].start |
12549.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].end |
12551.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].text |
原住民保留地的上位的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].start |
12551.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].end |
12553.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].text |
管理的法令我們在那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].start |
12553.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].end |
12555.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].text |
法令上來處理包括部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].start |
12555.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].end |
12557.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].text |
包括建民登記這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].start |
12557.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].end |
12559.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].text |
因為目前我們要取得的你看37條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].start |
12559.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].end |
12561.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].text |
怎麼講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].start |
12560.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].end |
12562.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].text |
37條他只有解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].start |
12562.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].end |
12564.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].text |
三波地範圍內的原住民保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].start |
12564.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].end |
12566.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].text |
我們在這裡只是處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].start |
12566.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].end |
12568.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].text |
三波地範圍內的原住民保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].start |
12568.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].end |
12570.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].text |
而且他是強調說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].start |
12570.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].end |
12572.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].text |
為了要保障原住民的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].start |
12572.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].end |
12574.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].text |
所以37條他基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].start |
12574.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].end |
12576.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].text |
是在三波地當中保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].start |
12576.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].end |
12578.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].text |
原住民保留地的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].start |
12578.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].end |
12580.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].text |
權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].start |
12579.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].end |
12581.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].text |
那至於說原住民保留地整體政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].start |
12581.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].end |
12583.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].text |
要怎麼處理部落可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].start |
12583.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].end |
12585.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].text |
成為一個承受人之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].start |
12585.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].end |
12587.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].text |
我們是不是請說明一下原民會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].start |
12587.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].end |
12589.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].text |
說明還有沒有哪些法令我們要一併 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].start |
12589.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].end |
12591.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].text |
要去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].start |
12593.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].end |
12595.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].text |
沒關係那個我先跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].start |
12595.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].end |
12597.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].text |
中委報告一下的確 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].start |
12597.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].end |
12599.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].text |
剛剛委員提到一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].start |
12599.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].end |
12601.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].text |
關鍵的重點就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].start |
12601.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].end |
12603.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].text |
因為現行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].start |
12603.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].end |
12605.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].text |
法制的部分的確 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].start |
12605.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].end |
12607.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].text |
我們有關於原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].start |
12607.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].end |
12609.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].text |
保留地管理的一個最高法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].start |
12609.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].end |
12611.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].text |
接的確是現在依附在三波地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].start |
12611.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].end |
12613.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].text |
保留利用條例那剛剛委員提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].start |
12613.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].end |
12615.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].text |
一個重點就是說因為三波地保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].start |
12615.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].end |
12617.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].text |
利用條例要處理的部分就是三波地範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].start |
12617.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].end |
12619.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].text |
但實務上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].start |
12619.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].end |
12621.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].text |
實務上的部分就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].start |
12621.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].end |
12623.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].text |
我們在不限於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].start |
12623.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].end |
12625.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].text |
三波地範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].start |
12625.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].end |
12627.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].text |
因為那個三保條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].start |
12627.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].end |
12629.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].text |
三十七條那個最後一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].start |
12629.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].end |
12631.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].text |
他有授權我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].start |
12632.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].end |
12634.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].text |
授權我們原民會去定原住民保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].start |
12634.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].end |
12636.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].text |
開放管理辦法所以我們就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].start |
12636.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].end |
12638.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].text |
因為依據這個授權的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].start |
12638.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].end |
12640.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].text |
進一步去處理不管是三波地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].start |
12640.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].end |
12642.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].text |
範圍之內或者是非三波地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].start |
12642.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].end |
12644.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].text |
範圍之內的部分我們一併去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].start |
12644.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].end |
12646.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].text |
一個處理因為這個是繼續保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].start |
12646.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].end |
12648.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].text |
原住民權益當然就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].start |
12648.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].end |
12650.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].text |
我跟中委很報告就是說我們從 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].start |
12650.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].end |
12652.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].text |
製度面去解釋這個問題的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].start |
12652.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].end |
12654.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].text |
我們已經擬據了原住民保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].start |
12654.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].end |
12656.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].text |
回復及權利管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].start |
12656.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].end |
12658.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].text |
條例的部分暴行這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].start |
12658.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].end |
12660.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].text |
我們也是希望從三保條例這邊脫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].start |
12660.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].end |
12662.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].text |
勾去處理不要依附在三保條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].start |
12662.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].end |
12664.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].text |
裡面這個才是一個根本的解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].start |
12664.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].end |
12666.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].text |
製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].start |
12665.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].end |
12667.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].start |
12667.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].end |
12669.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].text |
我來講歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].start |
12669.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].end |
12671.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].text |
簡單的我很簡約 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].start |
12672.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].end |
12674.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].text |
很簡約 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].start |
12674.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].end |
12676.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].text |
第一開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].start |
12675.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].end |
12677.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].text |
台安省政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].start |
12677.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].end |
12679.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].text |
電腦一個3D保留地管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].start |
12680.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].end |
12682.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].text |
然後後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].start |
12681.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].end |
12683.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].text |
這個提高了中央的位階 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].start |
12683.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].end |
12685.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].text |
內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].start |
12686.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].end |
12688.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].text |
那後來因為要有法律的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].start |
12689.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].end |
12691.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].text |
一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].start |
12690.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].end |
12692.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].text |
一開始沒有法律的一致了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].start |
12692.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].end |
12694.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].text |
然後才 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].start |
12694.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].end |
12696.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].text |
到底要依附在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].start |
12696.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].end |
12698.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].text |
所以當時的政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].start |
12698.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].end |
12700.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].text |
把它依附在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].start |
12700.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].end |
12702.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].text |
三保地保留地條例上七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].start |
12702.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].end |
12704.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].text |
然後你會看到三十七條在負責那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].start |
12706.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].end |
12708.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].text |
不是在前面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].start |
12708.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].end |
12710.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].text |
所以現在的實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].start |
12711.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].end |
12713.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].start |
12711.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].end |
12713.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].text |
總委現在的管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].start |
12714.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].end |
12716.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].text |
三十七條授權定的管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].start |
12719.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].end |
12721.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].text |
包含三保地以外的原准保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].start |
12722.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].end |
12724.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].start |
12724.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].end |
12726.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].text |
應該要回歸到原住民族基本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].start |
12730.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].end |
12732.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].text |
原住民族基本法明訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].start |
12732.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].end |
12734.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].text |
要制定原住民族土地及海法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].start |
12737.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].end |
12739.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].text |
但是過去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].start |
12739.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].end |
12741.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].text |
八年甚至現在十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].start |
12742.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].end |
12744.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].text |
延民會啊延民會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].start |
12744.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].end |
12746.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].text |
連送到行政院都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].start |
12747.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].end |
12749.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].text |
都沒有把原住民族土地及海法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].start |
12750.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].end |
12752.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].text |
都沒有送到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].start |
12752.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].end |
12754.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].text |
雖然我們蔡總統說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].start |
12753.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].end |
12755.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].text |
我們也很快的會吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].start |
12755.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].end |
12757.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].text |
原住民族土地及海法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].start |
12758.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].end |
12760.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].text |
送到立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].start |
12761.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].end |
12763.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].text |
已經超過十年沒有送 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].start |
12763.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].end |
12765.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].text |
而且延民會連送都沒有送 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].start |
12766.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].end |
12768.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].text |
所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].start |
12768.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].end |
12770.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].text |
原住民保留地什麼條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].start |
12770.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].end |
12772.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].text |
那個根本就是不符合原住民族基本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].start |
12772.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].end |
12774.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].text |
所以我們只好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].start |
12774.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].end |
12776.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].text |
我們只好不得不 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].start |
12777.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].end |
12779.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].text |
繼續依附在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].start |
12779.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].end |
12781.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].text |
三保地保留地用條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].start |
12781.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].end |
12783.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].text |
三十七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].start |
12783.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].end |
12785.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].text |
是這樣的一個原由 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].start |
12785.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].end |
12787.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].text |
做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].start |
12786.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].end |
12788.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].text |
各位報告就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].start |
12788.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].end |
12790.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].text |
我們現在手上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].start |
12790.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].end |
12792.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].text |
我們有一個三十七條建議的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].start |
12792.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].end |
12794.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].text |
的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].start |
12794.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].end |
12796.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].text |
那紅字的部分是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].start |
12796.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].end |
12798.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].text |
建議修正的一些文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].start |
12798.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].end |
12800.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].text |
那我跟各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].start |
12800.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].end |
12802.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].text |
報告一下就是說有關於第二項的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].start |
12802.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].end |
12804.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].text |
我們紅字的部分就是增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].start |
12804.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].end |
12806.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].text |
就是說今天如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].start |
12806.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].end |
12808.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].text |
原保地如果移轉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].start |
12808.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].end |
12810.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].text |
如果有違反這種情形的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].start |
12810.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].end |
12812.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].text |
它的法律效果就是無效 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].start |
12812.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].end |
12814.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].text |
這個部分就是建民登記的法律效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].start |
12814.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].end |
12816.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].text |
所以這個部分我們有參採 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].start |
12816.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].end |
12818.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].text |
那個我們政委員的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].start |
12818.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].end |
12820.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].text |
那第三項跟第四項第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].start |
12820.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].end |
12822.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].text |
的部分就是政委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].start |
12822.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].end |
12824.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].text |
所希望就是我們要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].start |
12824.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].end |
12826.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].text |
提出一些去杜絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].start |
12826.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].end |
12828.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].text |
建民登記的一些具體方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].start |
12828.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].end |
12830.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].text |
那這個部分我們很 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].start |
12830.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].end |
12832.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].text |
我們原理會很負責任的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].start |
12832.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].end |
12834.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].text |
私有原表地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].start |
12834.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].end |
12836.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].text |
他的如果說移轉他事先 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].start |
12836.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].end |
12838.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].text |
要透過拒絕的身份去拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].start |
12838.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].end |
12840.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].text |
他將來這個所有權的移轉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].start |
12840.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].end |
12842.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].text |
他不會移轉給非原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].start |
12842.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].end |
12844.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].text |
這是第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].start |
12844.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].end |
12846.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].text |
那第四項的部分我們要賦予 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].start |
12846.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].end |
12848.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].text |
公所的部分有一個事前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].start |
12848.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].end |
12850.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].text |
查核的這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].start |
12850.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].end |
12852.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].text |
權限讓他們可以在事前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].start |
12852.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].end |
12854.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].text |
他辦理那個主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].start |
12854.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].end |
12856.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].text |
要辦理所有權益的登記者說他做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].start |
12856.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].end |
12858.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].text |
事先的一個審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].start |
12858.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].end |
12860.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].text |
然後第五項的部分如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].start |
12860.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].end |
12862.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].text |
如果經行政調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].start |
12862.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].end |
12864.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].text |
是確定是有這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].start |
12864.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].end |
12866.83 |
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所謂建民登記的情形的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].start |
12866.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].end |
12868.83 |
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那我們主管機關的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].start |
12868.83 |
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12870.83 |
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可以不經過向 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].start |
12870.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].end |
12872.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].text |
法院訴請圖銷登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].start |
12872.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].end |
12874.83 |
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就可以把事前的部分 |
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12874.83 |
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12876.83 |
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就可以駁回所有權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].start |
12876.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].end |
12878.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].text |
移轉登記的行政處分 |
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12878.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].end |
12880.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].text |
那如果已經查出來他確實有違反 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].start |
12880.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].end |
12882.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].text |
拒絕這種情形的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].start |
12882.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].end |
12884.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].text |
我們會有被廢止原來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].start |
12884.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].end |
12886.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].text |
核准的這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].start |
12886.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].end |
12888.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].text |
移轉登記的一個處分並且喊起登機官 |
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12888.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].end |
12890.83 |
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那個那個圖銷 |
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12890.83 |
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12892.83 |
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他所有權移轉登記的這個部分 |
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12892.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].end |
12894.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].text |
我們覺得好這個部分是 |
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12894.83 |
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12896.83 |
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雖然這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].start |
12896.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].end |
12898.83 |
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失權的一個爭議但是我們原民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].start |
12898.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].end |
12900.83 |
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會從公權力建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].start |
12900.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].end |
12902.83 |
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那個介入的一個角度 |
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12902.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].end |
12904.83 |
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來去做一個事前審核 |
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12904.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].end |
12906.83 |
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跟事後的一個查核 |
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12906.83 |
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12908.83 |
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的這樣子一個動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].start |
12908.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].end |
12910.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].text |
我相信我們提出來的這個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].start |
12910.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].end |
12912.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].text |
第一個是符合那個我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].start |
12912.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].end |
12914.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].text |
政委員他的一個意旨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].start |
12914.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].end |
12916.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].text |
那第二個就是說我們也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].start |
12916.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].end |
12918.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].text |
很負責任的就是把這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].start |
12918.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].end |
12920.83 |
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的一個行政部門因 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].start |
12920.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].end |
12922.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].text |
介入調查他可以行使 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].start |
12922.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].end |
12924.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].text |
公權力的依據明定在法律條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].start |
12924.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].end |
12926.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].text |
裡面讓我們縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].start |
12926.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].end |
12928.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].text |
政府跟公所他在進行行政查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].start |
12928.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].end |
12930.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].text |
的時候他有一個權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].start |
12930.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].end |
12932.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].text |
可以去做一個處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].start |
12932.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].end |
12934.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].text |
然後在第九項那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].start |
12934.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].end |
12936.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].text |
我想這個部分剛剛那個我已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].start |
12936.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].end |
12938.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].text |
跟政委員報告過我們也是依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].start |
12938.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].end |
12940.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].text |
政委員的一些建議去做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].start |
12940.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].end |
12942.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].text |
後段文字的一個調整那剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].start |
12942.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].end |
12944.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].text |
委員也這個部分也是說OK我想這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].start |
12944.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].end |
12946.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].text |
部分我們應該是有共識的以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].start |
12952.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].end |
12954.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].text |
我有意見啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].start |
12954.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].end |
12956.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].text |
請問處長你這個用心良苦我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].start |
12956.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].end |
12958.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].text |
這個第三項第四項第五項增加在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].start |
12958.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].end |
12960.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].text |
第二項之後原定的第三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].start |
12960.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].end |
12962.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].text |
之前這裡是在處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].start |
12962.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].end |
12964.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].text |
所有元寶地的建明登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].start |
12964.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].end |
12966.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].text |
是處理屬於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].start |
12966.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].end |
12968.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].text |
山坡地範圍內的元寶地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].start |
12968.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].end |
12970.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].text |
全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].start |
12970.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].end |
12972.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].text |
我問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].start |
12972.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].end |
12974.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].text |
如果不是山坡地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].start |
12974.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].end |
12976.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].text |
原住民保留地我們要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].start |
12976.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].end |
12978.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].text |
來適用山坡地保育 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].start |
12978.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].end |
12980.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].text |
條例我強調一個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].start |
12980.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].end |
12982.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].text |
我們屏東有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].start |
12982.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].end |
12984.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].text |
也不要說是全台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].start |
12984.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].end |
12986.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].text |
相當多的原住民有八個原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].start |
12986.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].end |
12988.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].text |
鄉那這些原住民鄉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].start |
12988.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].end |
12990.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].text |
他們的地有很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].start |
12990.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].end |
12992.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].text |
它的坡度其實並 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].start |
12992.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].end |
12994.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].text |
不是算山坡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].start |
12994.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].end |
12996.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].text |
大家不要以為原保地一定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].start |
12996.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].end |
12998.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].text |
在有坡度達到山坡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].start |
12998.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].end |
13000.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].text |
地認定的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].start |
13000.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].end |
13002.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].text |
但是因為幾乎他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].start |
13002.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].end |
13004.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].text |
幾乎就是被認定在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].start |
13004.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].end |
13006.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].text |
山坡地內反而造成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].start |
13006.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].end |
13008.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].text |
在原鄉地區其實並 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].start |
13008.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].end |
13010.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].text |
沒有屬於山坡地地形的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].start |
13010.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].end |
13012.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].text |
土地它在使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].start |
13012.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].end |
13014.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].text |
上會受到我們山坡地保育 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].start |
13014.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].end |
13016.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].text |
條例限制我想這點處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].start |
13016.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].end |
13018.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].text |
很清楚是那我們過去一直努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].start |
13018.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].end |
13020.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].text |
的就是希望讓這些原保 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].start |
13020.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].end |
13022.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].text |
地它能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].start |
13022.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].end |
13024.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].text |
不要那麼全部大範圍的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].start |
13024.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].end |
13026.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].text |
蓋花性的涵蓋在山坡地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].start |
13026.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].end |
13028.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].text |
當中可以不用去適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].start |
13028.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].end |
13030.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].text |
山坡地保育條例才能進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].start |
13030.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].end |
13032.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].text |
它適當的開發行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].start |
13032.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].end |
13034.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].text |
是那你現在又 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].start |
13034.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].end |
13036.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].text |
因為剛鄭文遠講的是一個歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].start |
13036.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].end |
13038.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].text |
的一個過程嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].start |
13038.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].end |
13040.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].text |
當時沒有法所以依附在山坡地保育 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].start |
13040.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].end |
13042.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].text |
條例是那因為依附在山坡地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].start |
13042.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].end |
13044.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].text |
保育條例原保原保地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].start |
13044.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].end |
13046.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].text |
原住民保留地就有一個管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].start |
13046.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].end |
13048.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].text |
的一個辦法是但是你這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].start |
13048.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].end |
13050.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].text |
就逼著所有的原住民的保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].start |
13050.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].end |
13052.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].text |
地他都必須被認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].start |
13052.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].end |
13054.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].text |
是山坡地後他才能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].start |
13054.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].end |
13056.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].text |
得到這個釋法性上的適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].start |
13056.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].end |
13058.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].text |
但是你去適用山坡地保育 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].start |
13058.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].end |
13060.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].text |
條例不見得對於我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].start |
13060.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].end |
13062.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].text |
我們原保地當中非屬於山坡地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].start |
13062.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].end |
13064.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].text |
性質的因為山坡地保育 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].start |
13064.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].end |
13066.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].text |
條例對土地的使用有相當嚴格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].start |
13066.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].end |
13068.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].text |
規範是那這個過去我們很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].start |
13068.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].end |
13070.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].text |
原住民他的土地呢其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].start |
13070.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].end |
13072.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].text |
那個情況我們去看了是平坦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].start |
13072.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].end |
13074.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].text |
的可是他就是因為山坡地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].start |
13074.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].end |
13076.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].text |
保育條例才能適用所以他被 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].start |
13076.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].end |
13078.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].text |
被勉強的被認被 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].start |
13078.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].end |
13080.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].text |
被山坡地了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].start |
13080.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].end |
13082.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].text |
被山坡地的我們還希望趕快 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].start |
13082.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].end |
13084.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].text |
能夠拉出來所以我是個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].start |
13084.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].end |
13086.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].text |
是傾向說行政院這邊要趕快 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].start |
13086.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].end |
13088.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].text |
的就所有的原保地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].start |
13088.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].end |
13090.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].text |
把包括建民登記的部分能夠含色 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].start |
13090.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].end |
13092.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].text |
進去是那這樣的話我們今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].start |
13092.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].end |
13094.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].text |
修山坡地保育條例未來只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].start |
13094.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].end |
13096.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].text |
這個地方有建民登記的處理那麼變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].start |
13096.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].end |
13098.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].text |
原住民他只要處理說我要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].start |
13098.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].end |
13100.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].text |
主張我的原保地要適用這個建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].start |
13100.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].end |
13102.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].text |
我就必須說我這個是山坡地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].start |
13102.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].end |
13104.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].text |
我才能來適用事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].start |
13104.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].end |
13106.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].text |
一個原住民保留地他的使用開 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].start |
13106.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].end |
13108.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].text |
發行為有時候會因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].start |
13108.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].end |
13110.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].text |
在山坡地的條例較 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].start |
13110.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].end |
13112.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].text |
有利是我們適用之有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].start |
13112.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].end |
13114.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].text |
時候是適用山坡地保育條例較為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].start |
13114.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].end |
13116.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].text |
不利我們希望不要適用之 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].start |
13116.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].end |
13118.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].text |
這樣的情況你們在法治法有沒有想過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].start |
13118.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].end |
13120.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].text |
有跟委員報告其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].start |
13120.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].end |
13122.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].text |
剛委員提示的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].start |
13122.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].end |
13124.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].text |
部分就是我們原保地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].start |
13124.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].end |
13126.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].text |
範圍其實本來就不適用於山坡地範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].start |
13126.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].end |
13128.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].text |
範圍之內所以跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].start |
13128.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].end |
13130.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].text |
其實我們現在剛委員我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].start |
13130.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].end |
13132.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].text |
給你那些修正條文的建議文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].start |
13132.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].end |
13134.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].text |
第三項到第五項的那個部分其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].start |
13134.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].end |
13136.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].text |
就是從我們原保地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].start |
13136.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].end |
13138.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].text |
的條例裡面的第13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].start |
13138.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].end |
13140.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].text |
條把它移列過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].start |
13140.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].end |
13142.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].text |
到山坡條例37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].start |
13142.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].end |
13144.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].text |
條那因為我跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].start |
13144.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].end |
13146.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].text |
我跟委員報告因為那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].start |
13146.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].end |
13148.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].text |
那你們這個條文行政院這三個項目都看過了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].start |
13148.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].end |
13150.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].text |
目前是還沒有審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].start |
13150.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].end |
13152.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].text |
但是我要澄清一點就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].start |
13152.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].end |
13154.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].text |
我要澄清一點就是說因為我們山坡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].start |
13154.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].end |
13156.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].text |
我們那個原保原住民保地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].start |
13156.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].end |
13158.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].text |
權利及回復及管理利用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].start |
13158.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].end |
13160.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].text |
條例的部分其實我們在111 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].start |
13160.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].end |
13162.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].text |
年已經報國行政院而且行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].start |
13162.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].end |
13164.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].text |
審議已經報到立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].start |
13164.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].end |
13166.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].text |
後來因為屆期不續審所以就沒有繼續審 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].start |
13166.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].end |
13168.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].text |
那我們去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].start |
13168.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].end |
13170.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].text |
去年其實已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].start |
13170.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].end |
13172.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].text |
已經有曾經報院過一次不是完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].start |
13172.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].end |
13174.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].text |
在111年就已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].start |
13174.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].end |
13176.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].text |
行政院審議過然後也報到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].start |
13176.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].end |
13178.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].text |
立法院來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].start |
13178.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].end |
13180.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].text |
那如果當年報院的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].start |
13180.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].end |
13182.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].text |
版本在哪個委員會審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].start |
13182.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].end |
13184.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].text |
內政委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].start |
13184.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].end |
13186.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].text |
對嘛主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].start |
13185.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].end |
13187.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].text |
對對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].start |
13187.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].end |
13189.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].text |
我們是在強調其實內政委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].start |
13189.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].end |
13191.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].text |
跟經濟委員會他的設置的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].start |
13191.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].end |
13193.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].text |
主管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].start |
13193.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].end |
13195.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].text |
機關涵蓋範圍不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].start |
13195.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].end |
13197.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].text |
今天我們今天來我們在談 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].start |
13197.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].end |
13199.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].text |
經濟委員會找來這些部會是以農業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].start |
13199.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].end |
13201.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].text |
被為主但是今天涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].start |
13201.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].end |
13203.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].text |
原保地的部分不會只有原民會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].start |
13204.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].end |
13206.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].text |
在內政委員會還有其他的部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].start |
13206.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].end |
13208.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].text |
內政部他也要參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].start |
13208.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].end |
13210.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].text |
所以今天我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].start |
13210.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].end |
13212.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].text |
經濟委員會審一個未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].start |
13212.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].end |
13214.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].text |
會在所謂的原保地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].start |
13214.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].end |
13216.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].text |
相關的法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].start |
13216.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].end |
13218.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].text |
如果說今天行政院那個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].start |
13218.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].end |
13220.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].text |
送出來了會變成怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].start |
13220.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].end |
13222.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].text |
內政委員會審那個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].start |
13222.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].end |
13224.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].text |
今天我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].start |
13223.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].end |
13225.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].text |
三波地保育條例審這個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].start |
13225.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].end |
13227.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].text |
雖然這中間內容是相同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].start |
13227.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].end |
13229.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].text |
但是他會是連動所以我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].start |
13229.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].end |
13231.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].text |
我可以體會政委員我們非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].start |
13231.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].end |
13233.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].text |
急迫但是要考慮到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].start |
13233.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].end |
13235.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].text |
剛剛部落那個事情我是稍微保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].start |
13235.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].end |
13237.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].text |
因為部落這個事情到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].start |
13237.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].end |
13239.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].text |
能不能作為一個土地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].start |
13239.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].end |
13241.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].text |
登記的一個資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].start |
13241.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].end |
13243.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].text |
這還是要回歸到內政委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].start |
13243.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].end |
13245.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].text |
的相關土地法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].start |
13245.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].end |
13247.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].text |
所以我們想處理原保地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].start |
13247.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].end |
13249.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].text |
還是要處理三波地保育條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].start |
13249.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].end |
13251.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].text |
這個要分清楚所以我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].start |
13251.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].end |
13253.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].text |
因為時間大家也 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].start |
13253.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].end |
13255.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].text |
聽了政委員說明我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].start |
13255.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].end |
13257.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].text |
情理上都支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].start |
13257.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].end |
13259.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].text |
但在法治上要完備不然我會擔心說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].start |
13259.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].end |
13261.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].text |
這個通過去了我們屏東的原住民朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].start |
13261.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].end |
13263.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].text |
他說那 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].start |
13263.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].end |
13265.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].text |
我只有在三波地裡面才可以這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].start |
13265.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].end |
13267.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].text |
做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].start |
13267.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].end |
13269.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].text |
只有三波地裡面才可以適用這個規定嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].start |
13269.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].end |
13271.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].text |
那我是原保地那為什麼用原保地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].start |
13271.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].end |
13273.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].text |
全部含色範圍的東西來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].start |
13273.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].end |
13275.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].text |
保障我的權益所以我是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].start |
13275.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].end |
13277.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].text |
今天這個案子我們可以再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].start |
13279.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].end |
13281.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].text |
政委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].start |
13280.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].end |
13282.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].text |
我說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].start |
13282.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].end |
13284.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].text |
我們仔細看現行的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].start |
13285.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].end |
13287.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].text |
政委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].start |
13286.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].end |
13288.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].text |
政委員你先看現行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].start |
13288.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].end |
13290.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].start |
13291.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].end |
13293.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].text |
不是現行的條文你看第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].start |
13293.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].end |
13295.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].text |
現行的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].start |
13296.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].end |
13298.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].text |
現行的條文第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].start |
13298.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].end |
13300.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].text |
原住民豈得原住民保留第12個錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].start |
13300.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].end |
13302.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].text |
如有遺傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].start |
13302.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].end |
13304.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].text |
以原住民為限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].start |
13305.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].end |
13307.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].start |
13307.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].end |
13313.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].text |
所以不是在三波地的原住民保留地也適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].start |
13313.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].end |
13315.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].text |
這個是中華民國政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].start |
13316.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].end |
13318.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].text |
我只能講說中華民國政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].start |
13318.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].end |
13320.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].text |
沒有去重視只好依附在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].start |
13320.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].end |
13322.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].text |
這個三波地保留第6條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].start |
13323.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].end |
13325.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].text |
這是第1個第2個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].start |
13325.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].end |
13327.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].text |
為什麼行政院版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].start |
13329.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].end |
13331.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].text |
在上個會期上個上一屆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].start |
13332.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].end |
13334.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].text |
上一屆有送來為什麼沒有辦法通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].start |
13335.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].end |
13337.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].start |
13337.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].end |
13339.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].text |
他不符合原住民族基本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].start |
13340.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].end |
13342.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].text |
這第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].start |
13341.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].end |
13343.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].start |
13343.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].end |
13347.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].text |
他比現在的原住民保留地管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].start |
13348.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].end |
13350.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].text |
包括所受權定的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].start |
13351.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].end |
13353.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].text |
還不如 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].start |
13353.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].end |
13355.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].text |
還不如 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].start |
13355.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].end |
13357.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].text |
因此沒有通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].start |
13357.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].end |
13359.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].start |
13360.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].end |
13362.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].start |
13361.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].end |
13363.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].text |
就是建民登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].start |
13363.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].end |
13365.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].text |
既然 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].start |
13364.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].end |
13366.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].text |
最高行政法案已經判決了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].start |
13366.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].end |
13368.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].text |
我們就應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].start |
13368.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].end |
13370.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].text |
要立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].start |
13370.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].end |
13372.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].start |
13371.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].end |
13373.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].text |
就是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].start |
13373.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].end |
13375.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].text |
一直一直的受到很大的委屈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].start |
13377.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].end |
13379.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].text |
就是我們原住民保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].start |
13380.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].end |
13382.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].text |
要被徵收的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].start |
13383.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].end |
13385.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].text |
要被徵收的時候只能用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].start |
13385.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].end |
13387.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].text |
釋架旁邊又沒有釋架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].start |
13388.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].end |
13390.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].text |
沒有釋架的時候就 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].start |
13390.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].end |
13392.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].text |
所以我們才會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].start |
13392.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].end |
13394.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].text |
公告限制加四成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].start |
13395.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].end |
13397.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].text |
如果有按照剛才研議會所提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].start |
13397.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].end |
13399.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].text |
再增加那些文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].start |
13400.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].end |
13402.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].text |
就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].start |
13402.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].end |
13404.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].text |
所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].start |
13404.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].end |
13406.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].text |
是很重要很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].start |
13406.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].end |
13408.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].text |
因為這個部分定了之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].start |
13408.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].end |
13410.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].text |
也不會只限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].start |
13410.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].end |
13412.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].text |
限於山坡地的原住民保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].start |
13412.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].end |
13414.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].text |
也包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].start |
13414.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].end |
13416.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].text |
這個是不得不得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].start |
13416.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].end |
13418.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].text |
我知道就法制上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].start |
13418.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].end |
13420.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].text |
是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].start |
13420.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].end |
13422.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].text |
因為已經實施幾十年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].start |
13422.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].end |
13424.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].text |
我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].start |
13425.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].end |
13427.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].text |
只能先修正這個不得不先修正這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].start |
13427.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].end |
13429.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].text |
山坡地保留地條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].start |
13429.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].end |
13431.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].text |
真的取掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].start |
13431.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].end |
13433.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].text |
我最後問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].start |
13433.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].end |
13435.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].text |
其實原則上是支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].start |
13435.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].end |
13437.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].text |
而且你這個寫的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].start |
13437.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].end |
13439.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].text |
我相信政天才委員看過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].start |
13439.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].end |
13441.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].text |
應該也沒什麼意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].start |
13441.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].end |
13443.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].text |
因為我覺得你寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].start |
13443.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].end |
13445.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].text |
已經有傳達過我們法制的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].start |
13445.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].end |
13447.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].text |
那現在中嘉濱委員考慮的只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].start |
13447.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].end |
13449.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].text |
這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].start |
13449.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].end |
13451.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].text |
會不會影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].start |
13451.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].end |
13453.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].text |
讓那些沒有在山坡地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].start |
13453.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].end |
13455.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].text |
因為我看一下你的第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].start |
13455.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].end |
13457.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].text |
是已經有涵蓋了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].start |
13458.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].end |
13460.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].text |
我先講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].start |
13460.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].end |
13462.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].text |
我先回應一下剛才報告主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].start |
13462.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].end |
13464.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].text |
報告政經委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].start |
13464.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].end |
13466.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].text |
我們山坡地保育條例開宗明義第一章 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].start |
13466.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].end |
13468.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].text |
總則第一條山坡地之保育 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].start |
13468.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].end |
13470.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].text |
利用一本條例之規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].start |
13471.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].end |
13473.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].text |
本條例未規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].start |
13473.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].end |
13475.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].text |
依其他法律之規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].start |
13475.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].end |
13477.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].text |
如果說原保地在山坡地保育條例當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].start |
13477.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].end |
13479.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].text |
沒有規範到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].start |
13479.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].end |
13481.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].text |
那他當然未來有更好更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].start |
13481.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].end |
13483.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].text |
更優的法律他當然會從其他法律之規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].start |
13483.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].end |
13485.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].text |
而且第二條本條例所生主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].start |
13485.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].end |
13487.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].text |
在中央市行政院內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].start |
13487.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].end |
13489.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].text |
農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].start |
13489.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].end |
13491.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].text |
第二項有關山坡地的地震 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].start |
13493.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].end |
13495.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].text |
及營建業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].start |
13495.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].end |
13497.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].text |
由內政部匯同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].start |
13497.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].end |
13499.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].text |
國有山坡地自委託管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].start |
13499.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].end |
13501.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].text |
由財政部匯同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].start |
13501.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].end |
13503.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].text |
都是匯同農業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].start |
13503.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].end |
13505.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].text |
這裡面其實在第一條第二條當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].start |
13505.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].end |
13507.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].text |
都很以現在的情況來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].start |
13507.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].end |
13509.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].text |
我們很多山坡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].start |
13509.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].end |
13511.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].text |
很多原保地都在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].start |
13511.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].end |
13513.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].text |
很多原保地在山坡地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].start |
13513.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].end |
13515.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].text |
可是在這裡面原住民機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].start |
13515.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].end |
13517.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].text |
卻沒有在這個法條的第一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].start |
13517.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].end |
13519.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].text |
跟第二條當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].start |
13519.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].end |
13521.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].text |
如果嚴格來講我們希望將原民會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].start |
13521.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].end |
13523.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].text |
的意見納進來是要在第一條第二條當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].start |
13523.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].end |
13525.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].text |
去表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].start |
13525.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].end |
13527.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].text |
那至於剛剛政委員所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].start |
13527.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].end |
13529.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].text |
也就這裡面寫的第九項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].start |
13529.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].end |
13531.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].text |
就是說公告限制加四成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].start |
13531.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].end |
13533.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].text |
那還重優 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].start |
13533.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].end |
13535.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].text |
我想這個原則進程我都支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].start |
13535.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].end |
13537.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].text |
如果今天我們只處理這一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].start |
13537.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].end |
13539.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].text |
那也只限定在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].start |
13539.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].end |
13541.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].text |
山坡地當中的原住民保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].start |
13541.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].end |
13543.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].text |
在國家要使用的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].start |
13543.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].end |
13545.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].text |
他必須這樣子遵循這個完全支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].start |
13546.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].end |
13548.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].text |
但是你說的建民登記這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].start |
13548.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].end |
13550.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].text |
涉及到其他的非參坡地的原保地的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].start |
13550.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].end |
13552.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].text |
在法體例上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].start |
13552.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].end |
13554.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].text |
一個原我們的山坡地保育條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].start |
13554.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].end |
13556.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].text |
去含設到一個由內政部主管的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].start |
13559.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].end |
13561.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].text |
去涉及到其他的主管機關的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].start |
13561.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].end |
13563.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].text |
恐怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].start |
13563.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].end |
13565.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].text |
今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].start |
13565.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].end |
13567.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].text |
為什麼要經過行政院討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].start |
13567.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].end |
13569.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].text |
我支持原民會趕快去爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].start |
13569.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].end |
13571.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].text |
把過去陳志永本院來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].start |
13571.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].end |
13573.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].text |
再送進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].start |
13573.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].end |
13575.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].text |
但是今天原民會也是一位處長來這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].start |
13575.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].end |
13577.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].text |
我不曉得這個回去今天處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].start |
13577.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].end |
13579.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].text |
你講的話這些內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].start |
13579.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].end |
13581.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].text |
回去曾志永主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].start |
13581.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].end |
13583.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].text |
怎麼面對我們行政院的政委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].start |
13583.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].end |
13585.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].text |
現在哪一個政委在協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].start |
13585.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].end |
13587.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].text |
我們你說的原住民保留地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].start |
13587.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].end |
13589.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].text |
陳時中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].start |
13589.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].end |
13591.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].text |
很好你想清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].start |
13591.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].end |
13593.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].text |
你想清楚你今天發言是代表原民會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].start |
13593.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].end |
13595.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].text |
那未來你們原民會主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].start |
13595.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].end |
13597.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].text |
會在行政院被問到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].start |
13597.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].end |
13599.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].text |
那我們現在處理的原住民保留地的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].start |
13599.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].end |
13601.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].text |
那你現在在山坡地保育條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].start |
13601.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].end |
13603.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].text |
處長說這直接移過來就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].start |
13603.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].end |
13605.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].text |
那未來我們在法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].start |
13605.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].end |
13607.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].text |
的試用上那個還沒好就可以先走 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].start |
13607.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].end |
13611.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].text |
那些位落在山坡地原住民保留地的人的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].start |
13611.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].end |
13613.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].text |
要如何去面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].start |
13613.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].end |
13615.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].text |
我跟主席還有中委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].start |
13615.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].end |
13617.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].text |
還有我們請問二委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].start |
13617.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].end |
13619.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].text |
當然就是說就原民會的立場來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].start |
13619.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].end |
13621.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].text |
我們會裡面當然就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].start |
13621.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].end |
13623.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].text |
優先考量就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].start |
13623.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].end |
13625.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].text |
我們要抱怨處理的那個原保地條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].start |
13625.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].end |
13627.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].text |
那個部分因為光試用範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].start |
13627.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].end |
13629.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].text |
的部分就已經突破現在山坡地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].start |
13629.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].end |
13631.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].text |
保育利用條例的山坡地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].start |
13631.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].end |
13633.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].text |
範圍之內那個是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].start |
13633.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].end |
13635.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].text |
根本解決之道所以我們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].start |
13635.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].end |
13637.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].text |
覺得如果說用我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].start |
13637.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].end |
13639.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].text |
專法原保條例的專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].start |
13639.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].end |
13641.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].text |
去處理原保地他的一個試用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].start |
13641.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].end |
13643.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].text |
範圍的部分會比現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].start |
13643.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].end |
13645.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].text |
現在只有光一條去處理是要妥自 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].start |
13645.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].end |
13647.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].text |
所以這個是我們優先考 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].start |
13647.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].end |
13649.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].text |
政策面優先考量的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].start |
13649.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].end |
13651.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].text |
處理的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].start |
13651.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].end |
13653.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].text |
那第二個就是說今天如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].start |
13653.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].end |
13655.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].text |
剛剛那個政委講的今天如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].start |
13655.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].end |
13657.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].text |
那個原保原保地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].start |
13657.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].end |
13659.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].text |
條例那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].start |
13659.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].end |
13661.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].text |
我們因為我們之前111年已經報過一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].start |
13661.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].end |
13663.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].text |
那個時候的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].start |
13663.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].end |
13665.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].text |
的部分的確 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].start |
13665.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].end |
13667.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].text |
有一些可能在審查上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].start |
13667.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].end |
13669.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].text |
有一些不盡完備之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].start |
13669.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].end |
13671.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].text |
那我們所以我們在114年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].start |
13671.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].end |
13673.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].text |
在重新抱怨的時候已經當 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].start |
13673.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].end |
13675.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].text |
有參採當時我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].start |
13675.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].end |
13677.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].text |
諸多立委的修正意見重新 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].start |
13677.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].end |
13679.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].text |
調整過之後再重新抱怨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].start |
13679.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].end |
13681.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].text |
那我相信我們院裡面這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].start |
13681.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].end |
13683.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].text |
也會來儘速來審議這樣一個條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].start |
13683.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].end |
13685.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].text |
用這樣子一個專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].start |
13685.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].end |
13687.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].text |
的方式來處理會比用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].start |
13687.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].end |
13689.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].text |
單一條文的部分來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].start |
13689.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].end |
13691.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].text |
就是依附在我們山坡地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].start |
13691.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].end |
13693.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].text |
保育利用條例的部分來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].start |
13693.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].end |
13695.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].text |
會比較為妥當 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].start |
13695.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].end |
13697.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].text |
因為這個是退了求其次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].start |
13697.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].end |
13699.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].text |
的一個方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].start |
13699.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].end |
13701.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].text |
那至於說剛委員所提到的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].start |
13701.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].end |
13703.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].text |
有關於部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].start |
13703.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].end |
13705.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].text |
取得原保地主體的那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].start |
13705.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].end |
13707.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].text |
因為我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].start |
13707.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].end |
13709.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].text |
我們覺得這個是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].start |
13709.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].end |
13711.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].text |
重藏記憶比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].start |
13711.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].end |
13713.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].text |
因為畢竟這個部分可能要完整的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].start |
13713.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].end |
13715.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].text |
配套機制光一個條文的部分恐怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].start |
13715.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].end |
13717.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].text |
會在適用上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].start |
13717.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].end |
13719.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].text |
產生很大的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].start |
13719.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].end |
13721.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].text |
以上補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].start |
13722.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].end |
13724.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].text |
我們先休息三分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].start |
13728.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].end |
13730.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].text |
第九項我可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].start |
13732.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].end |
13734.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].text |
第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].start |
13734.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].end |
13736.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].text |
第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].start |
13736.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].end |
13738.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].text |
第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].start |
13738.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].end |
13740.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].text |
第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].start |
13740.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].end |
13742.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].text |
第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].start |
13742.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].end |
13744.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].text |
第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].start |
13744.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].end |
13746.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].text |
第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].start |
13746.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].end |
13748.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].text |
第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].start |
13748.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].end |
13750.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].text |
第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].start |
13750.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].end |
13752.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].text |
第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].start |
13752.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].end |
13754.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].text |
第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].start |
13754.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].end |
13756.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].text |
第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].start |
13756.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].end |
13758.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].text |
第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].start |
13758.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].end |
13760.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].text |
第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].start |
13732.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].end |
13734.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].text |
你的意我常常在聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].start |
13740.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].end |
13742.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].text |
你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].start |
13745.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].end |
13747.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].text |
你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].start |
13752.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].end |
13754.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].text |
你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].start |
13754.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].end |
13756.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].text |
我剛打給 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].start |
13756.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].end |
13758.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].text |
我聽你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].start |
13758.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].end |
13760.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].text |
我沒有聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].start |
13760.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].end |
13762.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].text |
之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].start |
13762.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].end |
13764.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].text |
現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].start |
13764.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].end |
13766.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].text |
現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].start |
13766.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].end |
13768.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].text |
第一項到最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].start |
13768.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].end |
13770.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].text |
最後一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].start |
13770.62 |
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13772.62 |
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2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].start |
13931.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].end |
13933.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].start |
13933.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].end |
13935.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].start |
13935.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].end |
13937.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].start |
13937.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].end |
13939.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].start |
13912.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].end |
13914.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].start |
13915.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].end |
13917.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].start |
13917.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].end |
13919.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].start |
13919.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].end |
13921.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].start |
13921.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].end |
13923.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].start |
13923.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].end |
13925.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].start |
13925.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].end |
13927.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].start |
13927.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].end |
13929.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].start |
13929.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].end |
13931.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].start |
13931.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].end |
13933.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].start |
13933.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].end |
13935.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].start |
13935.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].end |
13937.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].start |
13937.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].end |
13939.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].start |
13939.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].end |
13941.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].start |
13941.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].end |
13943.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].start |
13937.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].end |
13939.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].start |
13939.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].end |
13941.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].start |
13941.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].end |
13943.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].start |
13943.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].end |
13945.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].start |
13945.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].end |
13947.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].start |
13947.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].end |
13949.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].start |
13949.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].end |
13951.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].start |
13951.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].end |
13953.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].start |
13953.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].end |
13955.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].start |
13955.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].end |
13957.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].start |
13957.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].end |
13959.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].start |
13959.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].end |
13961.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].start |
13961.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].end |
13963.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].start |
13963.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].end |
13965.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].start |
13951.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].end |
13953.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].text |
2T |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].start |
13954.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].end |
13956.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].text |
那原條文那什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].start |
13956.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].end |
13958.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].text |
就是那個2跟9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].start |
13961.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].end |
13963.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].text |
好,有了啦,你做那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].start |
13963.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].end |
13965.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].text |
公告限值加4成 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].start |
13965.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].end |
13967.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].text |
還重優 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].start |
13967.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].end |
13969.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].text |
公告低價加4成還重優 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].start |
13969.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].end |
13971.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].text |
真的,他說得對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].start |
13971.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].end |
13973.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].text |
因為公告市價不高啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].start |
13972.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].end |
13974.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].text |
我們繼續休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].start |
13974.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].end |
13976.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].text |
直到你們改完條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].start |
13976.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].end |
13978.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].text |
我們先玩修正動議,我們再來念 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].start |
13980.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].end |
13982.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].text |
你們再等一等,讓他們下出來,打出來,再修正動議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].start |
13986.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].end |
13988.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].text |
真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].start |
13989.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].end |
13991.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].text |
水島 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].start |
13997.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].end |
14001.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].text |
好,我們請一併宣讀這個協商協論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].start |
14001.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].end |
14003.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].text |
協商協論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].start |
14003.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].end |
14005.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].text |
協商協論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].start |
14005.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].end |
14007.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].text |
第二條,照委員萬美齡等17人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].start |
14007.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].end |
14009.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].text |
委員林大化等18人提案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].start |
14009.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].end |
14011.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].text |
第三條,照委員洪玉祥等4人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].start |
14011.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].end |
14013.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].text |
所提再修正動議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].start |
14013.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].end |
14015.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].text |
第三十二條,照委員洪玉祥等4人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].start |
14015.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].end |
14017.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].text |
所提再修正動議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].start |
14017.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].end |
14019.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].text |
第三十三條,照委員洪玉祥等4人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].start |
14019.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].end |
14021.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].text |
所提再修正動議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].start |
14021.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].end |
14023.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].text |
宣傳筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].start |
14024.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].end |
14026.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].text |
請問各位同學在剛剛宣讀的協商協論通過,請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].start |
14029.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].end |
14031.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].start |
14031.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].end |
14033.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].text |
請問各位同學在剛剛宣讀的協商協論通過,請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].start |
14039.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].end |
14041.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].text |
現在散播地還沒啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].start |
14041.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].end |
14043.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].text |
現在散播地還沒啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].start |
14043.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].end |
14045.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].text |
等一下一定唸好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].start |
14054.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].end |
14060.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].text |
好,討論事項呢,有關隨圖保持法不論條件相關修正草案等事案審查完整並讓你去審查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].start |
14060.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].end |
14062.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].text |
提報院會討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].start |
14063.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].end |
14065.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].text |
請問需不需教黨團協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].start |
14065.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].end |
14067.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].text |
不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].start |
14067.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].end |
14073.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].text |
院會討論時有本席說明,請談通過至條文相關法制用以授權主席及議事人員整理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].start |
14079.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].end |
14081.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].start |
14081.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].end |
14083.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].start |
14083.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].end |
14085.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].start |
14085.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].end |
14087.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].start |
14087.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].end |
14089.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].start |
14089.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].end |
14091.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].start |
14091.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].end |
14093.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].start |
14093.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].end |
14095.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].start |
14095.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].end |
14097.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].start |
14097.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].end |
14099.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].start |
14099.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].end |
14101.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].start |
14101.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].end |
14103.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].start |
14103.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].end |
14105.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].start |
14105.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].end |
14107.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].start |
14081.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].end |
14083.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].start |
14083.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].end |
14085.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].start |
14085.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].end |
14087.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].start |
14087.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].end |
14089.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].start |
14089.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].end |
14091.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].start |
14091.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].end |
14093.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].start |
14093.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].end |
14095.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].start |
14095.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].end |
14097.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].start |
14097.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].end |
14099.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].start |
14099.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].end |
14101.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].start |
14101.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].end |
14103.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].start |
14103.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].end |
14105.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].start |
14105.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].end |
14107.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].start |
14107.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].end |
14109.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].start |
14090.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].end |
14092.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].start |
14092.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].end |
14094.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].start |
14094.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].end |
14096.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].start |
14096.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].end |
14098.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].start |
14098.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].end |
14100.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].start |
14100.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].end |
14102.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].start |
14102.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].end |
14104.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].start |
14104.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].end |
14106.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].start |
14106.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].end |
14108.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].start |
14108.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].end |
14110.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].start |
14110.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].end |
14112.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].start |
14112.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].end |
14114.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].start |
14114.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].end |
14116.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].start |
14116.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].end |
14118.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].start |
14100.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].end |
14102.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].start |
14102.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].end |
14104.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].start |
14104.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].end |
14106.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].start |
14106.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].end |
14108.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].start |
14108.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].end |
14110.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].start |
14110.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].end |
14112.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].start |
14112.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].end |
14114.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].start |
14114.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].end |
14116.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].start |
14116.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].end |
14118.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].start |
14118.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].end |
14120.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].start |
14120.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].end |
14122.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].start |
14122.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].end |
14124.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].start |
14124.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].end |
14126.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].start |
14126.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].end |
14128.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].start |
14103.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].end |
14105.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].start |
14105.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].end |
14107.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].start |
14107.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].end |
14109.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].start |
14109.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].end |
14111.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].start |
14111.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].end |
14113.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].start |
14113.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].end |
14115.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].start |
14115.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].end |
14117.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].start |
14117.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].end |
14119.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].start |
14119.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].end |
14121.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].start |
14121.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].end |
14123.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].start |
14123.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].end |
14125.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].start |
14125.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].end |
14127.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].start |
14127.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].end |
14129.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].start |
14129.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].end |
14131.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].start |
14136.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].end |
14138.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].start |
14138.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].end |
14140.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].start |
14140.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].end |
14142.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].start |
14142.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].end |
14144.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].start |
14144.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].end |
14146.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].start |
14146.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].end |
14148.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].start |
14148.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].end |
14150.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].start |
14150.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].end |
14152.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].start |
14152.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].end |
14154.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].start |
14154.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].end |
14156.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].start |
14156.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].end |
14158.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].start |
14158.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].end |
14160.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].start |
14160.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].end |
14162.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].start |
14162.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].end |
14164.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].start |
14155.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].end |
14157.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].start |
14157.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].end |
14159.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].start |
14159.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].end |
14161.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].start |
14161.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].end |
14163.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].start |
14163.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].end |
14165.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].start |
14165.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].end |
14167.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].start |
14167.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].end |
14169.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].start |
14169.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].end |
14171.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].start |
14171.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].end |
14173.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].start |
14173.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].end |
14175.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].start |
14175.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].end |
14177.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].start |
14177.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].end |
14179.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].start |
14179.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].end |
14181.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].start |
14181.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].end |
14183.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].start |
14161.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].end |
14163.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].start |
14163.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].end |
14165.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].start |
14165.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].end |
14167.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].start |
14167.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].end |
14169.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].start |
14169.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].end |
14171.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].start |
14171.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].end |
14173.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].start |
14173.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].end |
14175.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].start |
14175.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].end |
14177.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].start |
14177.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].end |
14179.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].start |
14179.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].end |
14181.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].start |
14181.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].end |
14183.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].start |
14183.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].end |
14185.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].start |
14185.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].end |
14187.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].text |
請問有意義? |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].start |
14187.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].end |
14189.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].text |
有意義,通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].start |
14167.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].end |
14169.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].text |
這個第二項已經很重要了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].start |
14169.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].end |
14171.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].text |
這個可以了,第二項可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].start |
14172.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].end |
14174.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].text |
再來就是第九項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].start |
14174.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].end |
14176.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].text |
第九項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].start |
14176.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].end |
14178.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].text |
改成第六項了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].start |
14178.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].end |
14180.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].text |
第七項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].start |
14181.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].end |
14183.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].text |
對,改第六項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].start |
14185.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].end |
14187.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].text |
這部分是照政委員的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].start |
14187.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].end |
14189.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].text |
跟中委員的意見去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].start |
14189.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].end |
14191.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].text |
修正的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].start |
14193.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].end |
14195.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].start |
14197.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].end |
14199.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].text |
可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].start |
14199.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].end |
14201.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].text |
我們簽一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].start |
14202.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].end |
14204.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].start |
14286.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].end |
14288.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].text |
聽出來就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].start |
14288.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].end |
14290.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].text |
再印了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].start |
14290.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].end |
14292.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].text |
按你們的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].start |
14292.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].end |
14294.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].text |
來電話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].start |
14298.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].end |
14300.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].text |
老鼠跟你講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].start |
14300.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].end |
14302.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].text |
不要被人家困了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].start |
14302.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].end |
14304.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].text |
我說表現很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].start |
14306.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].end |
14308.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].text |
主委全力支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].start |
14319.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].end |
14321.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].text |
來,你簽第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].start |
14321.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].end |
14323.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].text |
你用力爭取的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].start |
14323.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].end |
14325.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].text |
不要被人家困了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].start |
14325.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].end |
14327.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].text |
你要簽第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].start |
14331.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].end |
14333.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].text |
因為原住民,我們真的尊重原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].start |
14333.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].end |
14335.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].text |
但是今天你只有一個人來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].start |
14335.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].end |
14337.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].text |
我是勉強 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].start |
14337.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].end |
14339.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].start |
14341.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].end |
14343.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].text |
好著留下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].start |
14343.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].end |
14345.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].text |
有爭議的在留著 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].start |
14344.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].end |
14346.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].start |
14346.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].end |
14348.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].text |
這個長片給你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].start |
14349.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].end |
14351.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].text |
等一下,我拍一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].start |
14364.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].end |
14366.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].text |
我其實拍了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].start |
14366.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].end |
14368.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].text |
從這歷史文獻以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].start |
14368.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].end |
14370.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].text |
讓張偉簽了之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].start |
14370.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].end |
14372.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].text |
簽一下才拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].start |
14372.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].end |
14374.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].text |
兩個不算數 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].start |
14375.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].end |
14377.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].text |
你趕快簽一下,我們再拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].start |
14377.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].end |
14379.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].text |
這個以後放在我們原住民博物館裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].start |
14379.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].end |
14381.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].text |
這天才委員的項目之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].start |
14383.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].end |
14385.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].text |
太多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].start |
14385.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].end |
14387.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].text |
你很多喔,你占空標餅喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].start |
14388.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].end |
14390.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].text |
你這個爆戰功 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].start |
14394.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].end |
14396.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].text |
還要拍嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].start |
14396.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].end |
14398.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].text |
不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].start |
14398.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].end |
14400.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].text |
我就直接照委員證件走給三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].start |
14403.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].end |
14405.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].start |
14405.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].end |
14407.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].text |
拜拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].start |
14408.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].end |
14410.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].start |
14411.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].end |
14413.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].text |
打人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].start |
14413.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].end |
14415.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].text |
請先讀協商結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].start |
14437.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].end |
14439.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].text |
再修正動議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].start |
14439.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].end |
14441.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].text |
第三組條,照委員洪義祥等四人所提 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].start |
14441.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].end |
14443.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].text |
再修正動議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].start |
14443.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].end |
14445.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].text |
第三組條,照委員鄭天才等三人所提 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].start |
14445.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].end |
14447.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].text |
再修正動議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].start |
14447.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].end |
14449.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].text |
宣傳筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].start |
14449.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].end |
14451.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].text |
請問各位同仁,在剛剛宣讀協商結論通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].start |
14451.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].end |
14453.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].text |
有無異議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].start |
14453.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].end |
14455.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].text |
沒有異議通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].start |
14455.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].end |
14457.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].text |
討論事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].start |
14457.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].end |
14459.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].text |
三波地保育利用條例部門條文相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].start |
14459.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].end |
14461.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].text |
修正草案等報案審查玩具 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].start |
14461.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].end |
14463.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].text |
並按凝聚審查報告提包 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].start |
14463.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].end |
14465.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].text |
院會討論,不需交由黨團協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].start |
14465.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].end |
14467.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].text |
院會討論時 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].start |
14467.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].end |
14469.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].text |
有本席說明,審查通過之條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].start |
14469.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].end |
14471.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].text |
相關法制用以授權主席及 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].start |
14471.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].end |
14473.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].text |
議事人員處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].start |
14473.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].end |
14475.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].text |
本日所列議程處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].start |
14475.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].end |
14477.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].text |
玩具,現在上會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].start |
14477.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].end |
14479.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].text |
謝謝各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].start |
14483.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].end |
14485.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].text |
請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞支持明鏡與點點欄目 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].start |
14484.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].end |
14486.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].text |
明天的明天就有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].start |
14489.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].end |
14491.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].text |
謝謝 |