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完整會議 @ 第11屆第5會期財政委員會第24次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:30,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 在這裏,我們可以看到很多人在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這� |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:30,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:30,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
| 00:07:30,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
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| 00:09:30,000 | 00:10:00,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
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| 00:10:30,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在這裏,在 |
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| 00:24:00,000 | 00:24:02,400 | 法院第十一屆第五會期財政委員會 |
| 00:24:02,400 | 00:24:04,800 | 第23次全體委員會議議事錄 |
| 00:24:04,920 | 00:24:07,920 | 時間中華民國115年7月22日星期三 |
| 00:24:07,920 | 00:24:09,600 | 九十至十二十四分 |
| 00:24:09,840 | 00:24:11,680 | 地點群選樓九樓大禮堂 |
| 00:24:11,680 | 00:24:13,840 | 出席委員林德福委員等14人 |
| 00:24:14,000 | 00:24:16,040 | 歷史委員鍾嘉斌委員等8人 |
| 00:24:16,160 | 00:24:18,160 | 歷史官員財政部部長莊淬源 |
| 00:24:18,160 | 00:24:20,520 | 其其他相關機關單位人員等 |
| 00:24:20,640 | 00:24:22,120 | 主席吳釗吉委員 |
| 00:24:22,600 | 00:24:23,200 | 秉瑞 |
| 00:24:23,360 | 00:24:26,520 | 討論事項一 審查遺產及贈予稅法12案 |
| 00:24:26,560 | 00:24:28,680 | 一本院委員吳秉瑞等19人 |
| 00:24:28,720 | 00:24:30,320 | 委員郭育芹等16人 |
| 00:24:30,320 | 00:24:31,720 | 委員林楚英等16人 |
| 00:24:32,040 | 00:24:33,440 | 委員王美慧等17人 |
| 00:24:33,440 | 00:24:34,840 | 委員李坤城等19人 |
| 00:24:35,120 | 00:24:36,520 | 委員郭國文等21人 |
| 00:24:36,520 | 00:24:38,360 | 分別擬具遺產及贈予稅法 |
| 00:24:38,520 | 00:24:40,360 | 部分條文修正草案等6案 |
| 00:24:40,640 | 00:24:42,520 | 二本院委員賴慧元等16人 |
| 00:24:42,520 | 00:24:45,520 | 擬具遺產及贈予稅法第六條第15條 |
| 00:24:45,520 | 00:24:48,160 | 及第17條之一條文修正草案案 |
| 00:24:48,440 | 00:24:50,520 | 三本院委員王宏威等18人 |
| 00:24:50,520 | 00:24:52,680 | 委員林思敏等18人分別擬具 |
| 00:24:53,000 | 00:24:54,600 | 遺產及贈予稅法第15條 |
| 00:24:54,600 | 00:24:56,160 | 條文修正草案等2案 |
| 00:24:56,360 | 00:24:58,800 | 四本院委員張志倫等17人擬具 |
| 00:24:59,080 | 00:25:01,640 | 遺產及贈予稅法第15條 |
| 00:25:01,640 | 00:25:04,400 | 及第17條之一條文修正草案案 |
| 00:25:04,680 | 00:25:06,960 | 五本院委員李彥秀等16人擬具 |
| 00:25:07,360 | 00:25:09,120 | 遺產及贈予稅法第15條 |
| 00:25:09,120 | 00:25:12,440 | 第17條之一及第29條條文修正草案案 |
| 00:25:12,760 | 00:25:14,800 | 六本院委員賴世寶等26人 |
| 00:25:14,800 | 00:25:16,320 | 擬具遺產及贈予稅法 |
| 00:25:16,560 | 00:25:19,440 | 第30條及第41條條文修正草案案 |
| 00:25:19,880 | 00:25:22,160 | 二審查土地稅法9案 |
| 00:25:22,560 | 00:25:24,480 | 一本院委員李坤城等18人 |
| 00:25:24,520 | 00:25:26,520 | 二審查土地稅法7案 |
| 00:25:26,520 | 00:25:28,840 | 一本院委員馬文君等20人分別擬具 |
| 00:25:29,160 | 00:25:32,360 | 土地稅法增訂第17條之一條文草案等2案 |
| 00:25:32,640 | 00:25:34,040 | 二行政院含情審議 |
| 00:25:34,040 | 00:25:35,760 | 本院委員王美慧等18人 |
| 00:25:36,120 | 00:25:37,600 | 委員傅坤琦等19人 |
| 00:25:38,120 | 00:25:39,400 | 委員李彥秀等18人 |
| 00:25:39,400 | 00:25:41,000 | 委員林慶琦等19人 |
| 00:25:41,000 | 00:25:42,520 | 委員賴世寶等41人 |
| 00:25:43,040 | 00:25:45,560 | 委員鄭天才等17人分別擬具 |
| 00:25:45,560 | 00:25:47,600 | 土地稅法第17條之一 |
| 00:25:47,920 | 00:25:50,400 | 及第19條條文修正草案等7案 |
| 00:25:50,400 | 00:25:52,800 | 三審查房屋稅條例9案 |
| 00:25:53,200 | 00:25:55,440 | 委員馬文君等21人分別擬具 |
| 00:25:55,440 | 00:25:58,800 | 房屋稅條例增訂第5條之一條文草案等2案 |
| 00:25:59,080 | 00:26:00,480 | 二行政院含情審議 |
| 00:26:00,480 | 00:26:02,480 | 本院委員王美慧等19人 |
| 00:26:02,760 | 00:26:04,399 | 委員傅坤琦等19人 |
| 00:26:04,399 | 00:26:05,879 | 委員李彥秀等18人 |
| 00:26:06,159 | 00:26:07,760 | 委員林慶琦等19人 |
| 00:26:08,200 | 00:26:09,879 | 委員賴世寶等41人 |
| 00:26:09,879 | 00:26:12,200 | 委員鄭天才等17人分別擬具 |
| 00:26:12,560 | 00:26:14,200 | 房屋稅條例第5條之一 |
| 00:26:14,200 | 00:26:16,360 | 及第6條條文修正草案等7案 |
| 00:26:16,960 | 00:26:18,720 | 討論事項各案合併詢答 |
| 00:26:18,840 | 00:26:21,280 | 經委員林楚英等5人說明提案要旨 |
| 00:26:22,240 | 00:26:26,280 | 財政部部長莊翠雲就行政院提案報告及回應委員提案後 |
| 00:26:26,520 | 00:26:29,800 | 紀友委員林德福等15人提出諮詢 |
| 00:26:30,080 | 00:26:33,280 | 軍經財政部部長及相關人員予以答覆 |
| 00:26:33,560 | 00:26:35,399 | 決議一說明及詢答完畢 |
| 00:26:35,680 | 00:26:38,560 | 二委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊 |
| 00:26:38,560 | 00:26:40,800 | 請相關部會於一周內以書面答覆 |
| 00:26:41,120 | 00:26:43,360 | 委員令要求期限者從其鎖定 |
| 00:26:43,600 | 00:26:44,520 | 三討論事項 |
| 00:26:44,520 | 00:26:47,000 | 一至三案均令則其繼續審查 |
| 00:26:47,080 | 00:26:47,840 | 宣讀完畢 |
| 00:26:51,680 | 00:26:54,480 | 全國委員對於上次的議事會有沒有異議 |
| 00:26:55,560 | 00:26:57,080 | 好我們議事錄確定 |
| 00:26:57,520 | 00:27:00,000 | 請議事人員宣讀今天的議程 |
| 00:27:01,320 | 00:27:03,680 | 審查本院委員王世堅等17人 |
| 00:27:03,720 | 00:27:05,200 | 委員呂玉琳等16人 |
| 00:27:05,399 | 00:27:07,240 | 委員葉源之等17人 |
| 00:27:07,240 | 00:27:09,800 | 委員黃建豪等18人 |
| 00:27:10,000 | 00:27:11,520 | 委員黃建豪等19人 |
| 00:27:11,720 | 00:27:13,120 | 委員賴世寶等18人 |
| 00:27:13,120 | 00:27:14,480 | 委員李燕秀等20人 |
| 00:27:14,720 | 00:27:16,480 | 分別擬具海關進口稅責 |
| 00:27:16,480 | 00:27:18,320 | 部分稅責修正草案等7案 |
| 00:27:18,320 | 00:27:20,240 | 謹詢答宣讀完畢 |
| 00:27:20,720 | 00:27:23,240 | 好我們今天在現場的 |
| 00:27:23,840 | 00:27:26,040 | 委員有吳秉瑞委員 |
| 00:27:29,000 | 00:27:30,320 | 林德福委員 |
| 00:27:32,200 | 00:27:33,760 | 賴世寶委員 |
| 00:27:35,120 | 00:27:38,080 | 我們今天在現場的有我們財政部部長 |
| 00:27:38,080 | 00:27:39,320 | 莊翠雲部長 |
| 00:27:41,160 | 00:27:44,120 | 我們財政部底下法治處的姚處長 |
| 00:27:45,040 | 00:27:47,480 | 歡迎您國庫署的陳署長 |
| 00:27:47,800 | 00:27:48,600 | 歡迎您 |
| 00:27:49,120 | 00:27:51,480 | 附稅署的副署長李副署長 |
| 00:27:51,480 | 00:27:52,439 | 歡迎您 |
| 00:27:52,879 | 00:27:54,520 | 國務署的彭署長 |
| 00:27:54,520 | 00:27:55,600 | 歡迎您 |
| 00:27:56,040 | 00:27:58,040 | 國有財產署的曾署長 |
| 00:27:58,040 | 00:27:59,000 | 歡迎您 |
| 00:27:59,480 | 00:28:01,800 | 我們財政資訊中心的張主任 |
| 00:28:01,800 | 00:28:02,639 | 歡迎您 |
| 00:28:03,199 | 00:28:06,719 | 我們經濟部產業發展署的周副署長 |
| 00:28:06,719 | 00:28:07,600 | 歡迎您 |
| 00:28:08,879 | 00:28:12,760 | 我們法務部法治司的副司長 |
| 00:28:12,760 | 00:28:13,600 | 林副司長 |
| 00:28:13,600 | 00:28:14,439 | 歡迎您 |
| 00:28:16,159 | 00:28:17,959 | 我們今天議程的安排是 |
| 00:28:17,960 | 00:28:22,880 | 審查海關進口稅責部分稅責修正草案7案 |
| 00:28:23,120 | 00:28:24,160 | 請詢答 |
| 00:28:24,880 | 00:28:28,240 | 先請提案的委員說明提案要旨之後 |
| 00:28:28,240 | 00:28:31,640 | 再請財政部長回應委員相關提案的內容 |
| 00:28:31,840 | 00:28:35,040 | 請王世堅委員 |
| 00:28:35,480 | 00:28:38,280 | 請呂玉琳委員 |
| 00:28:38,480 | 00:28:41,560 | 請葉源之委員 |
| 00:28:41,560 | 00:28:44,360 | 請黃建豪委員 |
| 00:28:44,560 | 00:28:46,480 | 請賴世寶委員 |
| 00:28:47,960 | 00:28:48,960 | 請 |
| 00:28:58,880 | 00:29:01,880 | 謝謝主席以及各位先進 |
| 00:29:01,880 | 00:29:05,680 | 那麼今天本席所提的就是 |
| 00:29:05,680 | 00:29:08,200 | 針對因為ART |
| 00:29:08,200 | 00:29:10,040 | 我們跟美國談的 |
| 00:29:10,040 | 00:29:14,640 | 是要把汽車關稅降為零 |
| 00:29:14,640 | 00:29:15,880 | 在這種情況之下 |
| 00:29:15,920 | 00:29:19,240 | 其實對於國內的汽車業 |
| 00:29:19,240 | 00:29:20,840 | 以及它的零主建業 |
| 00:29:20,840 | 00:29:23,320 | 影響衝擊是非常大的 |
| 00:29:23,320 | 00:29:28,320 | 那為了要想到這一部分的一個情況 |
| 00:29:28,320 | 00:29:30,680 | 所以要特別提出來說 |
| 00:29:30,680 | 00:29:34,800 | 既然進口車都把它關稅降為零 |
| 00:29:34,800 | 00:29:37,080 | 那有關於關鍵零主建 |
| 00:29:37,080 | 00:29:41,480 | 比如說引擎以及相關的關鍵零主建 |
| 00:29:41,480 | 00:29:43,240 | 我們的關稅還是非常高的 |
| 00:29:43,400 | 00:29:44,640 | 那這一部分的關稅 |
| 00:29:44,640 | 00:29:46,440 | 我們是不是應該降為零 |
| 00:29:46,440 | 00:29:49,400 | 否則的話那麼真的一時失 |
| 00:29:49,400 | 00:29:52,920 | 那把汽車進口汽車降為零 |
| 00:29:52,920 | 00:29:55,120 | 那大概國內的汽車業 |
| 00:29:55,120 | 00:29:57,400 | 以及它的零主建業 |
| 00:29:57,400 | 00:29:59,480 | 那大概會死一片 |
| 00:29:59,480 | 00:30:01,360 | 這個從業人員 |
| 00:30:01,360 | 00:30:02,640 | 有人說八萬 |
| 00:30:02,640 | 00:30:04,920 | 有人說如果範圍再擴大的話 |
| 00:30:04,920 | 00:30:07,240 | 大概會有到幾十萬之多 |
| 00:30:07,240 | 00:30:09,320 | 這些我想就業市場 |
| 00:30:09,320 | 00:30:12,040 | 也是我們應該去關心的一個題目 |
| 00:30:12,040 | 00:30:16,200 | 所以在跟這個有關於這個跟美國談 |
| 00:30:16,200 | 00:30:18,159 | 或者跟其他國家談 |
| 00:30:18,159 | 00:30:21,080 | 這個進口車要降關稅的同時 |
| 00:30:21,080 | 00:30:23,840 | 我們是不是關鍵零主建 |
| 00:30:23,840 | 00:30:25,159 | 關鍵零主建 |
| 00:30:25,159 | 00:30:27,720 | 也把它降為零同步進行 |
| 00:30:27,720 | 00:30:29,960 | 如果因為現在美國的 |
| 00:30:29,960 | 00:30:32,600 | 跟我們談到ART還沒有生效 |
| 00:30:32,600 | 00:30:35,200 | 那還沒有生效之前就沒這個問題 |
| 00:30:35,200 | 00:30:37,600 | 但是一旦生效 |
| 00:30:37,639 | 00:30:39,800 | 那把進口的關稅 |
| 00:30:39,800 | 00:30:42,439 | 美國進來的關稅 |
| 00:30:42,439 | 00:30:44,320 | 美國的車子 |
| 00:30:44,320 | 00:30:45,959 | 不管它什麼牌子的 |
| 00:30:45,959 | 00:30:46,760 | 日本的牌子 |
| 00:30:46,760 | 00:30:48,639 | 德國的牌子都可以 |
| 00:30:48,639 | 00:30:50,719 | 那進來是零的話 |
| 00:30:50,719 | 00:30:53,560 | 我就主張我們的零主建 |
| 00:30:53,560 | 00:30:55,879 | 業零主建的關稅 |
| 00:30:55,879 | 00:30:57,560 | 應該同步調為零 |
| 00:30:57,560 | 00:30:58,560 | 這樣子的話 |
| 00:30:58,560 | 00:31:00,679 | 才對國內廠商比較公平 |
| 00:31:00,679 | 00:31:01,760 | 那麼以上啊 |
| 00:31:01,760 | 00:31:03,560 | 這個前見請各位指教 |
| 00:31:03,560 | 00:31:05,000 | 以支持謝謝 |
| 00:31:05,040 | 00:31:07,760 | 好謝謝賴時鮑委員的提案說明 |
| 00:31:07,760 | 00:31:11,160 | 接下來請財政部部長回應委員提案的內容 |
| 00:31:18,640 | 00:31:21,160 | 主席各位委員先進大家好 |
| 00:31:21,160 | 00:31:24,200 | 今日貴委員會審查海關進口稅則 |
| 00:31:24,200 | 00:31:27,440 | 部分稅則修正草案總共有七案 |
| 00:31:27,440 | 00:31:30,840 | 那麼緊究上述的七案涉及調降小客車關稅 |
| 00:31:30,840 | 00:31:33,440 | 以及汽車零主建關稅兩類 |
| 00:31:33,480 | 00:31:35,440 | 我們中整說明如下 |
| 00:31:35,440 | 00:31:38,320 | 有關調降小客車關稅部分 |
| 00:31:38,320 | 00:31:41,320 | 那麼小客車的關稅稅率是根據我國 |
| 00:31:41,320 | 00:31:47,360 | 九十一年加入世界貿易組織WTO的關稅減讓承諾所訂定 |
| 00:31:47,360 | 00:31:48,640 | 那入會的第一年 |
| 00:31:48,640 | 00:31:50,800 | 稅率調降到百分之二十九 |
| 00:31:50,800 | 00:31:51,920 | 並且分十年 |
| 00:31:51,920 | 00:31:54,720 | 逐年調降到百分之十七點五 |
| 00:31:54,720 | 00:31:56,720 | 稅率維持到現在 |
| 00:31:56,720 | 00:31:59,600 | 那麼一百一四年小客車的進口總值 |
| 00:31:59,600 | 00:32:02,800 | 大約是新台幣兩千一百零三億 |
| 00:32:02,800 | 00:32:05,800 | 關稅收入是三百六十八億元 |
| 00:32:05,800 | 00:32:08,040 | 經濟部在一百一十三年間 |
| 00:32:08,040 | 00:32:14,080 | 對於王委員事件等十七人所提的小客車關稅調降至免稅案 |
| 00:32:14,080 | 00:32:16,320 | 完成了稅市支出評估報告 |
| 00:32:16,320 | 00:32:17,480 | 調降關稅後 |
| 00:32:17,480 | 00:32:20,320 | 以國產車的產值不受影響 |
| 00:32:20,320 | 00:32:23,960 | 而延續現況自然成長的樂觀情境 |
| 00:32:23,960 | 00:32:28,159 | 進口車是戰略完全替代國產車的悲觀情境 |
| 00:32:28,159 | 00:32:30,399 | 這兩種情境來做分析 |
| 00:32:30,399 | 00:32:32,399 | 採最終收入損失法 |
| 00:32:32,400 | 00:32:34,360 | 推估稅收的影響數 |
| 00:32:34,360 | 00:32:35,920 | 按照關稅貨物稅 |
| 00:32:35,920 | 00:32:36,520 | 營業稅 |
| 00:32:36,520 | 00:32:37,640 | 營利事業所得稅 |
| 00:32:37,640 | 00:32:41,480 | 及個人綜合所得稅等各項稅務來計算 |
| 00:32:41,480 | 00:32:45,080 | 兩種情境均為稅收的損失 |
| 00:32:45,080 | 00:32:51,800 | 稅收的淨損大約是五百二十三億元到六百零一億元 |
| 00:32:51,800 | 00:32:55,600 | 那麼經濟部在稅市支出評估報告中也指出了 |
| 00:32:55,600 | 00:33:00,600 | 我國的車輛產業正值燃油車轉型為電動車的關鍵時刻 |
| 00:33:00,600 | 00:33:03,159 | 如果調降或取消關稅 |
| 00:33:03,159 | 00:33:07,840 | 恐怕有國產車廠以及零主建廠關廠撤離之餘 |
| 00:33:07,840 | 00:33:12,560 | 影響大約有八百四十七點七四億元的產值 |
| 00:33:12,560 | 00:33:16,879 | 以及八點二六萬相關從業人員的生計 |
| 00:33:16,879 | 00:33:19,080 | 也會導致國產車的競爭力 |
| 00:33:19,080 | 00:33:21,639 | 還有研發技術能量下滑 |
| 00:33:21,639 | 00:33:24,879 | 衝擊下世代車輛的產業發展 |
| 00:33:24,879 | 00:33:28,439 | 綜合上述有關小客車關稅的調降 |
| 00:33:28,480 | 00:33:33,720 | 除了對產業的發展以及相關從業人員的就業有重大影響之外 |
| 00:33:33,720 | 00:33:36,960 | 為了保留我國對外經貿談判的籌碼 |
| 00:33:36,960 | 00:33:40,160 | 現階段尚不宜推動 |
| 00:33:40,160 | 00:33:43,600 | 第二個有關調降汽車零主建的關稅 |
| 00:33:43,600 | 00:33:49,560 | 大院委員分別就九項汽車零主建調降到百分之零到百分之八 |
| 00:33:49,560 | 00:33:54,160 | 至於以及還有十三項的零主建調降到免稅 |
| 00:33:54,160 | 00:33:59,640 | 包括了引擎汽缸化油氣噴油嘴離合器以及安全氣囊等等 |
| 00:33:59,640 | 00:34:04,000 | 那麼現行關稅的稅率為百分之五到百分之十七點五 |
| 00:34:04,000 | 00:34:10,040 | 那上述的九項汽車零主建一百一四年的進口總值有兩百一十三億元 |
| 00:34:10,040 | 00:34:12,000 | 關稅收入是十八億元 |
| 00:34:12,000 | 00:34:16,400 | 十三項零主建一百一四年的進口總值是一百三十五億元 |
| 00:34:16,400 | 00:34:18,480 | 關稅收入二十億元 |
| 00:34:18,480 | 00:34:20,120 | 上述大院委員的提案 |
| 00:34:20,120 | 00:34:24,199 | 經濟部也正在辦理稅施支出評估作業 |
| 00:34:24,199 | 00:34:26,719 | 那麼對於九項汽車零主建的關稅 |
| 00:34:26,719 | 00:34:32,719 | 經濟部的初步的估算稅收淨損失大概八點二六億元 |
| 00:34:32,719 | 00:34:36,040 | 針對十三項汽車零主建的調降關稅 |
| 00:34:36,040 | 00:34:41,880 | 經濟部的初步的估算大概預期進稅收約可增加零點五二億元 |
| 00:34:41,880 | 00:34:46,080 | 但是稅施支出評估的作業還沒有完成 |
| 00:34:46,080 | 00:34:48,719 | 第三等到產業主管機關 |
| 00:34:48,759 | 00:34:51,000 | 經濟部完成稅施支出評估 |
| 00:34:51,000 | 00:34:53,879 | 認為調降汽車零主建關稅 |
| 00:34:53,879 | 00:34:57,480 | 對國內汽車產業的發展確屬必要 |
| 00:34:57,480 | 00:34:59,279 | 可行以及有效 |
| 00:34:59,279 | 00:35:01,759 | 那麼本部會適時配合研議辦理 |
| 00:35:01,759 | 00:35:02,720 | 以上說明 |
| 00:35:02,720 | 00:35:04,399 | 敬請各位委員指教 |
| 00:35:04,399 | 00:35:05,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:35:06,120 | 00:35:10,600 | 謝謝我們部長的對於提案內容的回應 |
| 00:35:10,600 | 00:35:13,399 | 那我們現在開始尋答先做以下的宣告 |
| 00:35:13,399 | 00:35:15,520 | 每位出席委員發言時間是八分鐘 |
| 00:35:15,520 | 00:35:17,600 | 必要時的延長兩分鐘 |
| 00:35:17,759 | 00:35:19,920 | 列席的委員發言時間是四分鐘 |
| 00:35:19,920 | 00:35:22,839 | 我們今天上午十點截止發言登記 |
| 00:35:22,839 | 00:35:25,080 | 現在一登記的順序 |
| 00:35:25,080 | 00:35:28,080 | 請登記第一位的林德福委員開始質詢 |
| 00:35:47,600 | 00:35:49,200 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:35:50,240 | 00:35:54,600 | 是不是來請財政部莊部長 |
| 00:35:54,600 | 00:35:58,600 | 還有經濟部產業發展署的周副署長 |
| 00:35:58,600 | 00:35:59,799 | 請部長 |
| 00:35:59,799 | 00:36:01,400 | 請周副署長 |
| 00:36:07,600 | 00:36:08,360 | 委員好 |
| 00:36:08,360 | 00:36:09,040 | 部長你好 |
| 00:36:09,040 | 00:36:09,759 | 部長 |
| 00:36:09,759 | 00:36:12,240 | 因為受到中年遊子 |
| 00:36:12,240 | 00:36:15,000 | 這個遊子的經濟部長 |
| 00:36:15,000 | 00:36:20,240 | 因為受到中年遊子這個問題的自來遊影響 |
| 00:36:20,240 | 00:36:23,000 | 那很多的這些下游廠商 |
| 00:36:23,000 | 00:36:25,560 | 他們要下架這些商品 |
| 00:36:25,560 | 00:36:28,400 | 這個牽連非常的龐大 |
| 00:36:28,400 | 00:36:30,600 | 那有關於營利事業 |
| 00:36:30,600 | 00:36:34,440 | 這個商品這些報匯的損失 |
| 00:36:34,440 | 00:36:35,600 | 之類 |
| 00:36:35,600 | 00:36:37,640 | 目前財政部戶稅署 |
| 00:36:37,640 | 00:36:41,560 | 是否有掌握相關的這些數據 |
| 00:36:41,560 | 00:36:42,240 | 有沒有 |
| 00:36:43,240 | 00:36:46,000 | 委員報告對於有關營利事業 |
| 00:36:46,000 | 00:36:48,879 | 他的商品如果有報費損失的認列 |
| 00:36:48,879 | 00:36:49,839 | 大概有三種 |
| 00:36:49,839 | 00:36:52,479 | 一個就是會計師查核簽證報告 |
| 00:36:52,479 | 00:36:54,439 | 然後到時候再提出來 |
| 00:36:54,439 | 00:36:56,240 | 然後再做核實認定 |
| 00:36:56,240 | 00:36:59,279 | 第二個就是由事業主管機關看著他銷毀 |
| 00:36:59,279 | 00:37:01,799 | 然後他向事業主管機關拿到證明 |
| 00:37:01,799 | 00:37:03,640 | 到時候就可以核實認列 |
| 00:37:03,640 | 00:37:06,479 | 第三個就是他自行來做報備 |
| 00:37:06,479 | 00:37:07,600 | 那只要事實發生 |
| 00:37:07,600 | 00:37:09,040 | 30天以內都可以 |
| 00:37:09,200 | 00:37:11,000 | 所以這三面這種方式 |
| 00:37:11,000 | 00:37:13,800 | 都可以去向國稅局辦理 |
| 00:37:13,800 | 00:37:15,400 | 但是目前前面兩項 |
| 00:37:15,400 | 00:37:17,600 | 他是不需要向國稅局報備的 |
| 00:37:17,600 | 00:37:19,200 | 因此到目前為止 |
| 00:37:19,200 | 00:37:22,040 | 我們的國稅局並沒有收到 |
| 00:37:22,040 | 00:37:25,400 | 有關相關產商提出來的相關資料 |
| 00:37:25,400 | 00:37:26,759 | 因為本席是希望說 |
| 00:37:26,759 | 00:37:29,100 | 財政部對於這些受到 |
| 00:37:29,100 | 00:37:31,100 | 牽連的下游廠商 |
| 00:37:31,100 | 00:37:35,360 | 要重寬重塑重減的原則 |
| 00:37:35,360 | 00:37:37,900 | 給予這些專業的一些協助 |
| 00:37:37,900 | 00:37:40,860 | 因為此次中年尤子事件 |
| 00:37:40,860 | 00:37:42,560 | 一連串的影響 |
| 00:37:42,560 | 00:37:45,900 | 就財政部目前你們掌握的狀況 |
| 00:37:45,900 | 00:37:49,860 | 是否會對整體營利事業 |
| 00:37:49,860 | 00:37:55,760 | 所得稅收造成顯著的這些稅損 |
| 00:37:56,960 | 00:37:58,560 | 因為目前國稅局 |
| 00:37:58,560 | 00:38:01,820 | 並沒有還沒有收到相關的具體的資料 |
| 00:38:01,820 | 00:38:03,920 | 也就是說他必須在有關簽證的 |
| 00:38:03,920 | 00:38:05,560 | 或者是經過主管機關的時候 |
| 00:38:05,560 | 00:38:07,020 | 他可以在申報的時候 |
| 00:38:07,020 | 00:38:09,080 | 也一併取出這名文件 |
| 00:38:09,080 | 00:38:11,620 | 那來報備的是主動來報備 |
| 00:38:11,620 | 00:38:12,520 | 那目前並沒有 |
| 00:38:12,520 | 00:38:14,340 | 那我相信我們國稅局 |
| 00:38:14,340 | 00:38:17,540 | 在處理這個案子的時候一定是 |
| 00:38:17,540 | 00:38:18,640 | 會核實 |
| 00:38:18,640 | 00:38:21,680 | 而且會就協助廠商的一個立場 |
| 00:38:21,680 | 00:38:22,940 | 來協助他們的 |
| 00:38:22,940 | 00:38:24,780 | 我是希望說財政部 |
| 00:38:24,780 | 00:38:27,780 | 你們要主動積極的來發布 |
| 00:38:27,780 | 00:38:32,340 | 因為受牽連的這些廠商太多太多了 |
| 00:38:32,340 | 00:38:34,640 | 他因為他下游以後很多 |
| 00:38:34,740 | 00:38:36,040 | 你包括7-11 |
| 00:38:36,040 | 00:38:42,359 | 包括很多那些廠商 |
| 00:38:42,359 | 00:38:46,460 | 幾乎很多產品都用到中聯的油 |
| 00:38:46,460 | 00:38:48,460 | 那些全部都要下架 |
| 00:38:48,460 | 00:38:50,839 | 那下架當然會有影響 |
| 00:38:50,839 | 00:38:51,940 | 會有衝擊 |
| 00:38:51,940 | 00:38:53,299 | 會有損失 |
| 00:38:53,299 | 00:38:55,540 | 你要是財政部你沒有公告 |
| 00:38:55,540 | 00:38:57,759 | 你沒有去跟這些廠商 |
| 00:38:57,759 | 00:38:59,040 | 告知他們說 |
| 00:38:59,040 | 00:39:00,740 | 這個你可以來 |
| 00:39:01,660 | 00:39:05,100 | 等於是要把它做一個程序上的廢掉 |
| 00:39:05,100 | 00:39:07,399 | 然後可以減稅等等 |
| 00:39:07,399 | 00:39:09,899 | 他們怎麼會主動積極的 |
| 00:39:09,899 | 00:39:12,399 | 來知道這個事情 |
| 00:39:12,399 | 00:39:13,200 | 委員的建議 |
| 00:39:13,200 | 00:39:14,000 | 我想您的建議 |
| 00:39:14,000 | 00:39:15,560 | 我們會把納入就是說 |
| 00:39:15,560 | 00:39:17,740 | 對於這一次因為這個油品事件 |
| 00:39:17,740 | 00:39:20,140 | 而造成的相關的報廢水平 |
| 00:39:20,140 | 00:39:22,040 | 在申報營利事業所得稅的時候 |
| 00:39:22,040 | 00:39:23,160 | 要怎麼樣認列損失 |
| 00:39:23,160 | 00:39:24,459 | 我們來做一個宣導 |
| 00:39:24,459 | 00:39:25,740 | 你們一定要宣導 |
| 00:39:25,740 | 00:39:27,740 | 你要針對問題探討 |
| 00:39:27,740 | 00:39:29,060 | 怎麼做 |
| 00:39:29,060 | 00:39:30,960 | 然後來解決這個問題 |
| 00:39:30,960 | 00:39:32,680 | 因為很多下游廠商 |
| 00:39:32,680 | 00:39:34,080 | 他莫名其妙的 |
| 00:39:34,080 | 00:39:35,920 | 受到這樣的衝擊影響 |
| 00:39:35,920 | 00:39:37,820 | 他也不會去伸張 |
| 00:39:37,820 | 00:39:40,080 | 但是你財政部要是有主動 |
| 00:39:40,080 | 00:39:41,620 | 積極的 |
| 00:39:41,620 | 00:39:44,220 | 來發布的話 |
| 00:39:44,220 | 00:39:47,180 | 那我相信他們一定會主動積極來申報 |
| 00:39:47,180 | 00:39:49,520 | 但是一定要附和一定的程序 |
| 00:39:49,520 | 00:39:51,380 | 是的 我們會把這個部分 |
| 00:39:51,380 | 00:39:53,120 | 你不能我只知道抽稅 |
| 00:39:53,120 | 00:39:55,680 | 但是他們認列的損失 |
| 00:39:55,680 | 00:39:58,220 | 因為他是很無辜的 |
| 00:39:58,220 | 00:40:01,819 | 很多這些廠商是無辜的 |
| 00:40:01,819 | 00:40:04,319 | 那無辜他本身要有一套 |
| 00:40:04,319 | 00:40:07,140 | 就是這個 |
| 00:40:07,140 | 00:40:09,520 | 就是怎麼去核報 |
| 00:40:09,520 | 00:40:11,720 | 然後減少他的損失 |
| 00:40:11,720 | 00:40:13,220 | 我是希望財政部 |
| 00:40:13,220 | 00:40:14,740 | 在最短時間裡面來發布 |
| 00:40:14,740 | 00:40:15,720 | 好的 我們這個部分 |
| 00:40:15,720 | 00:40:17,919 | 會照委員的建議 |
| 00:40:17,919 | 00:40:18,740 | 讓大家知道 |
| 00:40:18,740 | 00:40:20,020 | 就是說依照現行的規定 |
| 00:40:20,020 | 00:40:21,220 | 可以用什麼樣的方式來做 |
| 00:40:21,220 | 00:40:22,779 | 你最好在禮拜日以前就發布 |
| 00:40:22,779 | 00:40:25,480 | 因為這個損失的廠商太多太多了 |
| 00:40:25,480 | 00:40:26,220 | 謝謝 |
| 00:40:26,220 | 00:40:27,540 | 那個部長 |
| 00:40:27,540 | 00:40:29,340 | 因為國內智庫普遍看好 |
| 00:40:29,340 | 00:40:33,040 | 今年的整個經濟成長率突破10% |
| 00:40:33,040 | 00:40:34,540 | 國發會六月 |
| 00:40:34,540 | 00:40:38,800 | 警具對策的信號為41分 |
| 00:40:38,800 | 00:40:41,240 | 那紅燈顯示警具熱絡 |
| 00:40:41,240 | 00:40:45,740 | 此外製造業採購經理人指數 |
| 00:40:45,740 | 00:40:48,259 | 60.7% |
| 00:40:48,259 | 00:40:50,940 | 也還處於擴張的階段 |
| 00:40:50,940 | 00:40:55,300 | 讓外界認為中東整個局勢有高度 |
| 00:40:55,300 | 00:40:59,100 | 不確定性是下半年全球經濟的長望 |
| 00:40:59,100 | 00:41:01,460 | 不可忽視的隱憂 |
| 00:41:01,460 | 00:41:04,300 | 昨天台灣的股市重挫 |
| 00:41:04,300 | 00:41:06,300 | 2,030點 |
| 00:41:06,300 | 00:41:08,960 | 收在4萬1,603點 |
| 00:41:08,960 | 00:41:12,260 | 請問財政部對於未來景氣 |
| 00:41:12,260 | 00:41:15,560 | 那個部長你有什麼看法 |
| 00:41:15,560 | 00:41:16,360 | 委員報告 |
| 00:41:16,360 | 00:41:17,960 | 如同剛剛委員所說的 |
| 00:41:17,960 | 00:41:19,860 | 我們的經濟的基本面好 |
| 00:41:19,860 | 00:41:22,060 | 然後我們的表現相當亮眼 |
| 00:41:22,060 | 00:41:23,400 | 對於經濟成長率 |
| 00:41:23,400 | 00:41:24,600 | 主總是公布的 |
| 00:41:24,600 | 00:41:26,560 | 大概預測今年是9.46 |
| 00:41:26,560 | 00:41:29,200 | 而國外還有國內的相關的一些智庫 |
| 00:41:29,200 | 00:41:31,360 | 都認為台灣的經濟經濟成長率 |
| 00:41:31,360 | 00:41:33,060 | 會超過10% |
| 00:41:33,060 | 00:41:35,760 | 我們的出口還有一些 |
| 00:41:35,760 | 00:41:38,500 | 出口的數據以及訂單 |
| 00:41:38,500 | 00:41:41,260 | 都是非常的亮麗這個成績 |
| 00:41:41,260 | 00:41:42,460 | 那我相信 |
| 00:41:42,460 | 00:41:44,660 | 大家都會在這方面的努力 |
| 00:41:44,660 | 00:41:45,560 | 是 |
| 00:41:45,560 | 00:41:48,860 | 那個股市這樣重挫 |
| 00:41:48,860 | 00:41:51,460 | 那你們在整個尤其是國安基金 |
| 00:41:51,460 | 00:41:53,460 | 是不是這個 |
| 00:41:53,460 | 00:41:55,020 | 有活進場的必要 |
| 00:41:55,020 | 00:41:56,160 | 目前 |
| 00:41:56,160 | 00:41:57,420 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:41:57,420 | 00:41:59,360 | 當然股市的一個下跌 |
| 00:41:59,360 | 00:42:00,620 | 有它的諸多因素 |
| 00:42:00,620 | 00:42:01,760 | 包括最近天 |
| 00:42:01,760 | 00:42:02,660 | 就美股也好 |
| 00:42:02,660 | 00:42:04,920 | 日股韓股都是下錯的 |
| 00:42:04,920 | 00:42:07,120 | 那同類股就主要是電子 |
| 00:42:07,120 | 00:42:09,160 | 跟半導體的一些下跌 |
| 00:42:09,160 | 00:42:10,920 | 那我們在台股也是同類股的 |
| 00:42:10,920 | 00:42:12,160 | 只有這個下跌 |
| 00:42:12,160 | 00:42:13,320 | 那剛好也提告 |
| 00:42:13,320 | 00:42:14,860 | 就台灣的經濟面好 |
| 00:42:14,860 | 00:42:17,620 | 那經濟表現相當亮眼 |
| 00:42:17,620 | 00:42:19,620 | 那而且景氣的燈號 |
| 00:42:19,620 | 00:42:21,160 | 也是連續紅燈 |
| 00:42:21,160 | 00:42:23,520 | 那麼對於台股的穩定是有幫助的 |
| 00:42:23,520 | 00:42:24,879 | 那當然您剛剛提到 |
| 00:42:24,879 | 00:42:26,120 | 國安基金的部分 |
| 00:42:26,120 | 00:42:27,660 | 那國安基金的幕僚 |
| 00:42:27,660 | 00:42:29,160 | 我們還是持續會關注 |
| 00:42:29,160 | 00:42:30,080 | 國際的情勢 |
| 00:42:30,080 | 00:42:32,160 | 還有台股的走勢 |
| 00:42:32,160 | 00:42:33,560 | 當然也要會觀察 |
| 00:42:33,560 | 00:42:34,859 | 金管會有沒有提出 |
| 00:42:34,859 | 00:42:36,960 | 相關的一些措施的效果 |
| 00:42:36,960 | 00:42:39,020 | 那我想國安基金的進場 |
| 00:42:39,020 | 00:42:40,620 | 一定有它的一個條件 |
| 00:42:40,620 | 00:42:42,020 | 而且必須要經過 |
| 00:42:42,020 | 00:42:43,980 | 國安基金委員會的決議 |
| 00:42:43,980 | 00:42:45,080 | 才會進場 |
| 00:42:45,080 | 00:42:46,520 | 那目前國安基金的幕僚 |
| 00:42:46,520 | 00:42:47,480 | 是持續的關注 |
| 00:42:47,480 | 00:42:49,020 | 有關股市的一些動向 |
| 00:42:49,020 | 00:42:51,120 | 以及相關的 |
| 00:42:51,120 | 00:42:52,440 | 金管會如果有相關措施 |
| 00:42:52,440 | 00:42:53,380 | 它的一些成效 |
| 00:42:53,380 | 00:42:55,380 | 我們會按照 |
| 00:42:55,380 | 00:42:57,480 | 國安基金的條例來做 |
| 00:42:57,480 | 00:42:58,640 | 觀察跟處理 |
| 00:42:58,640 | 00:42:59,779 | 這樣喔 |
| 00:42:59,779 | 00:43:01,240 | 根據媒體的報導 |
| 00:43:01,240 | 00:43:04,279 | 目前台灣整個市場國產車 |
| 00:43:04,279 | 00:43:05,920 | 佔比差不多51% |
| 00:43:05,920 | 00:43:07,480 | 約21萬輛 |
| 00:43:07,480 | 00:43:10,980 | 那2025年前三大進口來源 |
| 00:43:10,980 | 00:43:12,880 | 依序為日本42% |
| 00:43:12,880 | 00:43:15,040 | 德國26% |
| 00:43:15,040 | 00:43:16,819 | 與美國6% |
| 00:43:16,819 | 00:43:18,040 | 那我請問 |
| 00:43:18,040 | 00:43:20,920 | 我們財政部跟經濟部 |
| 00:43:20,920 | 00:43:24,380 | 那目前除了美方有明確要求 |
| 00:43:24,380 | 00:43:26,380 | 調降汽車關稅外 |
| 00:43:26,380 | 00:43:28,180 | 是我還沒有其他的國家 |
| 00:43:28,180 | 00:43:30,380 | 或外國廠商會 |
| 00:43:30,380 | 00:43:32,040 | 主動要求調降 |
| 00:43:32,040 | 00:43:33,980 | 我國汽車的關稅 |
| 00:43:33,980 | 00:43:35,580 | 部長 有沒有 |
| 00:43:35,580 | 00:43:38,080 | 有關汽車的關稅 |
| 00:43:38,080 | 00:43:40,180 | 剛好我們在報告裡面提到的是 |
| 00:43:40,180 | 00:43:41,780 | 我們加入WTO以後 |
| 00:43:41,780 | 00:43:43,320 | 有關承諾的一個項目 |
| 00:43:43,320 | 00:43:45,540 | 那17.5%也維持到現在 |
| 00:43:45,540 | 00:43:48,540 | 那我們跟台美在關稅談判的時候 |
| 00:43:48,540 | 00:43:52,060 | 當然對於美方的進口車的關稅 |
| 00:43:52,060 | 00:43:53,800 | 有一些協議 |
| 00:43:53,800 | 00:43:55,900 | 那對於其他國家的要求 |
| 00:43:55,900 | 00:43:59,759 | 其實基本上關稅涉及到產業的一個發展 |
| 00:43:59,759 | 00:44:01,540 | 那經濟部就非常重視 |
| 00:44:01,540 | 00:44:03,000 | 也提出相關的意見 |
| 00:44:03,000 | 00:44:04,759 | 對於汽車產業要非常重 |
| 00:44:04,759 | 00:44:06,400 | 要注意這個 |
| 00:44:06,400 | 00:44:07,840 | 如果全面下降的話 |
| 00:44:07,840 | 00:44:09,560 | 對汽車產業的影響 |
| 00:44:09,560 | 00:44:11,100 | 那其他國家提出的話 |
| 00:44:11,100 | 00:44:12,940 | 未來其實可以作為 |
| 00:44:12,940 | 00:44:16,000 | 未來我們跟他們做相關談判的一些籌碼 |
| 00:44:16,000 | 00:44:17,460 | 我想這個是不是可以由經濟部 |
| 00:44:17,460 | 00:44:18,760 | 也再來做一些補充 |
| 00:44:18,760 | 00:44:20,060 | 那個經濟部 |
| 00:44:20,060 | 00:44:22,360 | 這個周副署長 |
| 00:44:22,360 | 00:44:23,980 | 你有沒有什麼看法 |
| 00:44:23,980 | 00:44:25,080 | 產業和產署 |
| 00:44:25,080 | 00:44:27,080 | 是 剛才委員詢問 |
| 00:44:27,080 | 00:44:30,980 | 就是有關外界有沒有針對 |
| 00:44:30,980 | 00:44:32,660 | 整車進口關稅的部分 |
| 00:44:32,660 | 00:44:35,220 | 對於其他國家是不是也有一併調降的 |
| 00:44:35,220 | 00:44:36,380 | 這樣的訴求 |
| 00:44:36,380 | 00:44:37,720 | 那其實是有的 |
| 00:44:37,720 | 00:44:39,120 | 外界非常關心 |
| 00:44:39,120 | 00:44:40,580 | 除了對美國以外 |
| 00:44:40,580 | 00:44:42,660 | 其他國家到底適不適用 |
| 00:44:42,660 | 00:44:45,660 | 例如說按照WTO的一些相關規定 |
| 00:44:45,660 | 00:44:47,580 | 是不是應該要併同適用 |
| 00:44:47,580 | 00:44:49,080 | 那經濟部的立場是 |
| 00:44:49,080 | 00:44:52,480 | 這一次台美關稅的協議是雙邊的協議 |
| 00:44:52,480 | 00:44:54,180 | 那僅適用在雙邊 |
| 00:44:54,180 | 00:44:56,020 | 那不適用在其他國家 |
| 00:44:56,020 | 00:44:58,080 | 那在WTO的規定裡面 |
| 00:44:58,080 | 00:45:00,220 | 那裡面也有明確的提到 |
| 00:45:00,220 | 00:45:02,379 | 如果是屬於雙邊協議的話 |
| 00:45:02,379 | 00:45:04,580 | 是可以不適用到其他國家 |
| 00:45:04,580 | 00:45:07,480 | 因為那個很多立委提案 |
| 00:45:07,480 | 00:45:09,680 | 說希望降低整個汽車 |
| 00:45:09,680 | 00:45:11,259 | 以及零組件 |
| 00:45:11,259 | 00:45:12,080 | 進口的關稅 |
| 00:45:12,080 | 00:45:15,620 | 主要是減少民眾購車的成本 |
| 00:45:15,620 | 00:45:19,540 | 更有助於未來CPTPP的談判 |
| 00:45:19,540 | 00:45:22,620 | 本席是希望說海關進口稅責 |
| 00:45:22,620 | 00:45:25,980 | 減免汽車關稅完成立法後 |
| 00:45:25,980 | 00:45:27,720 | 財政部跟經濟部 |
| 00:45:27,720 | 00:45:30,940 | 要確保民眾購買汽車時 |
| 00:45:30,940 | 00:45:34,080 | 能夠享受到減稅的紅利 |
| 00:45:34,080 | 00:45:38,380 | 那個副署長你有什麼看法 |
| 00:45:38,380 | 00:45:41,420 | 是針對整車關稅降稅的部分 |
| 00:45:41,420 | 00:45:42,740 | 經濟部是認為 |
| 00:45:42,740 | 00:45:44,140 | 在產業上面 |
| 00:45:44,140 | 00:45:45,839 | 在國家財政方面 |
| 00:45:45,839 | 00:45:47,600 | 還有包含雙邊協議 |
| 00:45:47,600 | 00:45:49,740 | 其實都會造成一些衝擊 |
| 00:45:49,740 | 00:45:51,399 | 那我們是認為現階段 |
| 00:45:51,399 | 00:45:54,899 | 目前是暫時不適合來推動 |
| 00:45:54,899 | 00:45:58,399 | 相關的整車降稅的一些相關的措施 |
| 00:45:58,399 | 00:45:59,500 | 那我請問 |
| 00:45:59,500 | 00:46:01,299 | 根據經濟部掌握的數據 |
| 00:46:01,299 | 00:46:03,839 | 我國汽車產業 |
| 00:46:03,839 | 00:46:06,500 | 這個年產值差不多5000億元 |
| 00:46:06,500 | 00:46:09,700 | 那工廠加速差不多有2700家 |
| 00:46:09,700 | 00:46:12,259 | 受到美國關稅的衝擊 |
| 00:46:12,260 | 00:46:16,820 | 美方要求我方全面開放汽車市場 |
| 00:46:16,820 | 00:46:20,720 | 為了降低對國內整個汽車產業的衝擊 |
| 00:46:20,720 | 00:46:24,420 | 經濟部規劃了30億元的專款 |
| 00:46:24,420 | 00:46:27,560 | 來推動車型天下計畫 |
| 00:46:27,560 | 00:46:30,120 | 預計協助台灣這些汽車產業 |
| 00:46:30,120 | 00:46:32,820 | 跨出內需 佈局全球 |
| 00:46:32,820 | 00:46:35,020 | 那車型天下計畫 |
| 00:46:35,020 | 00:46:37,620 | 出口專案由政府來補助 |
| 00:46:37,620 | 00:46:39,620 | 廠商一半的金額 |
| 00:46:39,620 | 00:46:41,120 | 那我請問經濟部 |
| 00:46:41,180 | 00:46:43,180 | 到今年六月中旬公布後 |
| 00:46:43,180 | 00:46:46,180 | 目前有多少家廠商來申請 |
| 00:46:46,180 | 00:46:50,380 | 那30億元到底還剩多少 |
| 00:46:50,380 | 00:46:52,380 | 是不是你也做一個報告 |
| 00:46:52,380 | 00:46:54,080 | 好 跟委員報告 |
| 00:46:54,080 | 00:46:55,480 | 這個六月十五號 |
| 00:46:55,480 | 00:46:58,480 | 我們公布了車型天下的一個補助方案 |
| 00:46:58,480 | 00:47:00,779 | 那到八月底才截止 |
| 00:47:00,779 | 00:47:04,480 | 那到目前為止是有兩個案子來提案 |
| 00:47:04,480 | 00:47:07,779 | 所以這個提案之後還需要經過審查 |
| 00:47:07,779 | 00:47:10,680 | 才能確定最後的補助比例跟補助金額 |
| 00:47:10,740 | 00:47:13,740 | 那目前這30億是還沒有支應出現 |
| 00:47:13,740 | 00:47:15,740 | 30億還沒有支應 |
| 00:47:15,740 | 00:47:18,740 | 那我請問那個下年度會繼續編嗎 |
| 00:47:18,740 | 00:47:22,740 | 這個是用韌性特別預算裡面匡列而度來執行 |
| 00:47:22,740 | 00:47:25,740 | 我是希望說你們一定要 |
| 00:47:25,740 | 00:47:28,740 | 就是針對這些確實有受到衝擊的 |
| 00:47:28,740 | 00:47:31,740 | 要有一些支持他們的想法 |
| 00:47:31,740 | 00:47:35,740 | 讓他們能夠永續繼續能夠生存 |
| 00:47:35,740 | 00:47:38,740 | 那你也定期跟我們財委會的委員來報告 |
| 00:47:38,799 | 00:47:41,799 | 到底支用的情況怎麼樣 |
| 00:47:41,799 | 00:47:44,799 | 您到八月以後你們要來做一個報告 |
| 00:47:44,799 | 00:47:45,799 | 好 謝謝 |
| 00:47:45,799 | 00:47:47,799 | 我們結束林德福委員質詢 |
| 00:47:47,799 | 00:47:49,799 | 接下來請吳秉瑞委員 |
| 00:47:57,799 | 00:48:00,799 | 主席麻煩請財政部莊部長 |
| 00:48:00,799 | 00:48:02,799 | 請莊部長 |
| 00:48:06,799 | 00:48:07,799 | 委員好 |
| 00:48:07,860 | 00:48:12,860 | 這個題目是從去年的美國發布的對等關稅 |
| 00:48:12,860 | 00:48:14,860 | 才開始引起的 |
| 00:48:14,860 | 00:48:20,860 | 那後來因為被美國的大法官宣告說 |
| 00:48:20,860 | 00:48:24,860 | 這個對等關稅的課徵的時候是違憲 |
| 00:48:24,860 | 00:48:26,860 | 所以現在還有一些在退還 |
| 00:48:26,860 | 00:48:30,860 | 所以他們行政美國行政機關就改用特別301 |
| 00:48:30,860 | 00:48:34,860 | 對於勞動的調查還有對於傾銷的調查 |
| 00:48:34,920 | 00:48:37,920 | 所以就這個一體而言 |
| 00:48:37,920 | 00:48:41,920 | 你認為這個是不是跟美國談判之間的情勢有沒有變更 |
| 00:48:41,920 | 00:48:47,920 | 目前來說跟美國談判我們之前有所簽訂的ART |
| 00:48:47,920 | 00:48:51,920 | 那在這一次美國的一個強迫勞動的調查301條款裡面 |
| 00:48:51,920 | 00:48:55,920 | 那台灣是10%而且不疊價MFN |
| 00:48:55,920 | 00:49:00,920 | 而且還有2231項產品是豁免 |
| 00:49:00,980 | 00:49:05,980 | 那這個部分其實跟ART當時談的比較好的結果是相關的 |
| 00:49:05,980 | 00:49:10,980 | 那我想我們台美談判也會持續的取得一個優惠的條件 |
| 00:49:10,980 | 00:49:12,980 | 我相信相關 |
| 00:49:12,980 | 00:49:14,980 | 我現在的問題是你注意聽我的問題 |
| 00:49:14,980 | 00:49:17,980 | 我說我們這個車輛關稅的這個問題 |
| 00:49:17,980 | 00:49:19,980 | 因為以前對等關稅的時候 |
| 00:49:19,980 | 00:49:21,980 | 他要求我們要降關稅 |
| 00:49:21,980 | 00:49:26,980 | 那現在改成勞動條件301的調查的時候 |
| 00:49:26,980 | 00:49:28,980 | 美方還有做這樣的要求嗎 |
| 00:49:29,040 | 00:49:31,040 | 這個狀況有沒有改變 |
| 00:49:31,040 | 00:49:33,040 | 我們說談判的基礎有沒有改變 |
| 00:49:33,040 | 00:49:36,040 | 談判的基礎並沒有變動 |
| 00:49:36,040 | 00:49:40,040 | 所以301條款對我們來說其實是相對優惠的 |
| 00:49:40,040 | 00:49:42,040 | 301條款那個我有看新聞 |
| 00:49:42,040 | 00:49:43,040 | 我了解 |
| 00:49:43,040 | 00:49:46,040 | 我是意思說因為我們今天在談的是車輛的關稅 |
| 00:49:46,040 | 00:49:48,040 | 那因為這個議題一開始遠深 |
| 00:49:48,040 | 00:49:52,040 | 是因為我們跟美國之間為了這個對等關稅才引起的 |
| 00:49:52,040 | 00:49:55,040 | 那所以政府很認真也都去做了談判 |
| 00:49:55,040 | 00:49:57,040 | 那談判的結果也都很好 |
| 00:49:57,100 | 00:50:00,100 | 可是現在談判的基礎已經從對等關稅 |
| 00:50:00,100 | 00:50:03,100 | 變成特別301尤其是勞動條件 |
| 00:50:03,100 | 00:50:05,100 | 這個改變上面的調查 |
| 00:50:05,100 | 00:50:07,100 | 那這個調查台灣沒有問題 |
| 00:50:07,100 | 00:50:10,100 | 台灣基本上沒有特別去努力勞工 |
| 00:50:10,100 | 00:50:12,100 | 除了極少數的個案 |
| 00:50:12,100 | 00:50:15,100 | 是加班有沒有服務規範之外 |
| 00:50:15,100 | 00:50:17,100 | 其他的沒這個問題嘛 |
| 00:50:17,100 | 00:50:19,100 | 那我的意思說那現在 |
| 00:50:19,100 | 00:50:23,100 | 這美國還在要求我們車輛的關稅要降嗎 |
| 00:50:23,160 | 00:50:27,160 | 這個部分在談判的過程當中 |
| 00:50:27,160 | 00:50:29,160 | 在301調查裡面 |
| 00:50:29,160 | 00:50:31,160 | 我們是針對他的議題來提出來的 |
| 00:50:31,160 | 00:50:33,160 | 那ART已經簽了對不對 |
| 00:50:33,160 | 00:50:36,160 | 那未來如何在ART裡面所簽的項目 |
| 00:50:36,160 | 00:50:37,160 | 如何來落實 |
| 00:50:37,160 | 00:50:39,160 | 這個部分之前行政院也提過 |
| 00:50:39,160 | 00:50:42,160 | 就一定要完成國內的相關的程序 |
| 00:50:42,160 | 00:50:44,160 | 那至於美國在談判的過程 |
| 00:50:44,160 | 00:50:47,160 | 有沒有再提出來這樣的一個要求 |
| 00:50:47,160 | 00:50:50,160 | 那我想這個是談判辦公室的了解 |
| 00:50:50,160 | 00:50:51,160 | 所以你也不清楚就對了 |
| 00:50:51,160 | 00:50:52,160 | 對 是的 |
| 00:50:52,220 | 00:50:54,220 | 好那再來就是說 |
| 00:50:54,220 | 00:50:55,220 | 那如果是這樣 |
| 00:50:55,220 | 00:50:58,220 | 因為是對美國對等關稅開始一連串的衍生 |
| 00:50:58,220 | 00:51:00,220 | 那請問這個車輛降關稅 |
| 00:51:00,220 | 00:51:02,220 | 是針對美國的車呢 |
| 00:51:02,220 | 00:51:05,220 | 還是對全世界其他所有的車都是一致 |
| 00:51:05,220 | 00:51:08,220 | 當然剛剛經濟部也說很清楚 |
| 00:51:08,220 | 00:51:09,220 | 在台美談判的時候 |
| 00:51:09,220 | 00:51:12,220 | 那是對美國這是雙邊的一個談判 |
| 00:51:12,220 | 00:51:14,220 | 只對美國車進口就降關稅 |
| 00:51:14,220 | 00:51:17,220 | 那如果說海關進口稅則修正的話 |
| 00:51:17,220 | 00:51:19,220 | 是全面性的降 |
| 00:51:19,220 | 00:51:20,220 | 那是完全不一樣的 |
| 00:51:20,279 | 00:51:21,279 | 對啊 所以今天的議題是 |
| 00:51:21,279 | 00:51:24,279 | 今天的議題是要動我們的國內法 |
| 00:51:24,279 | 00:51:25,279 | 去全面降關稅 |
| 00:51:25,279 | 00:51:26,279 | 是的 |
| 00:51:26,279 | 00:51:28,279 | 所以跟你今天說要跟美國之間的這個事情 |
| 00:51:28,279 | 00:51:31,279 | 其實是沒有在完全一致的平台上 |
| 00:51:31,279 | 00:51:32,279 | 是不一致 |
| 00:51:32,279 | 00:51:34,279 | 因為台美是雙邊的 |
| 00:51:34,279 | 00:51:35,279 | 只針對美國這一塊 |
| 00:51:35,279 | 00:51:37,279 | 其實美國車要來台灣 |
| 00:51:37,279 | 00:51:39,279 | 它的困擾還不只有關稅 |
| 00:51:39,279 | 00:51:42,279 | 因為美國是要在美規做車輛 |
| 00:51:42,279 | 00:51:45,279 | 台灣過去主要都是歐規車 |
| 00:51:45,279 | 00:51:47,279 | 所以美規跟歐規都不一樣 |
| 00:51:47,279 | 00:51:49,279 | 這中間的差距 |
| 00:51:49,340 | 00:51:50,340 | 事實上要做調整 |
| 00:51:50,340 | 00:51:52,340 | 不然的話美國的車子 |
| 00:51:52,340 | 00:51:54,340 | 就算美國生產的車子 |
| 00:51:54,340 | 00:51:56,340 | 也很難這樣順利進到台灣來 |
| 00:51:56,340 | 00:51:58,340 | 因為有其他非關稅壁壘 |
| 00:51:58,340 | 00:52:02,340 | 光是檢驗各方面都困難 |
| 00:52:02,340 | 00:52:04,340 | 那因為這個議題一直不確定 |
| 00:52:04,340 | 00:52:06,340 | 造成市場上一個狀況 |
| 00:52:06,340 | 00:52:09,340 | 就是這一兩年來 |
| 00:52:09,340 | 00:52:11,340 | 車子的銷售情況都很不好 |
| 00:52:11,340 | 00:52:13,340 | 因為很多消費者 |
| 00:52:13,340 | 00:52:15,340 | 他認為他再忍一下 |
| 00:52:15,340 | 00:52:16,340 | 他再等一下 |
| 00:52:16,340 | 00:52:18,340 | 搞不好就降稅了 |
| 00:52:18,400 | 00:52:20,400 | 就可以省很多錢了 |
| 00:52:20,400 | 00:52:21,400 | 所以這個事情 |
| 00:52:21,400 | 00:52:23,400 | 變成是有一點 |
| 00:52:23,400 | 00:52:25,400 | 為了要想要省點錢 |
| 00:52:25,400 | 00:52:27,400 | 所以有一種消費遞延的狀況 |
| 00:52:27,400 | 00:52:29,400 | 部長你了解這種狀況嗎 |
| 00:52:29,400 | 00:52:30,400 | 沒有錯 |
| 00:52:30,400 | 00:52:31,400 | 委員說的確實是 |
| 00:52:31,400 | 00:52:34,400 | 也就是說有持續觀望的態度 |
| 00:52:34,400 | 00:52:36,400 | 這個可以從我們的貨物稅 |
| 00:52:36,400 | 00:52:37,400 | 跟特銷稅裡面 |
| 00:52:37,400 | 00:52:39,400 | 如果是這樣的話 |
| 00:52:39,400 | 00:52:41,400 | 這個事情我從去年就問到現在 |
| 00:52:41,400 | 00:52:42,400 | 已經快要一年了 |
| 00:52:42,400 | 00:52:44,400 | 什麼時候才能夠定案 |
| 00:52:44,400 | 00:52:46,400 | 你不定案 |
| 00:52:46,400 | 00:52:47,400 | 這個狀況就沒辦法解決 |
| 00:52:47,460 | 00:52:49,460 | 還是你宣布說不可能 |
| 00:52:49,460 | 00:52:51,460 | 你們要消費的就趕快消費 |
| 00:52:51,460 | 00:52:53,460 | 這樣又變成欺騙國民的問題 |
| 00:52:53,460 | 00:52:55,460 | 所以這個事情一直拖在那邊 |
| 00:52:55,460 | 00:52:57,460 | 對整個台灣的車界 |
| 00:52:57,460 | 00:52:59,460 | 是一件很不利的事情 |
| 00:52:59,460 | 00:53:03,460 | 那個經濟部產發署的周副署長 |
| 00:53:03,460 | 00:53:05,460 | 你也來幫忙回答這一題 |
| 00:53:05,460 | 00:53:07,460 | 我的意思是這個一直不定 |
| 00:53:07,460 | 00:53:09,460 | 對台灣的車市 |
| 00:53:09,460 | 00:53:11,460 | 事實上是變成在銷售上 |
| 00:53:11,460 | 00:53:13,460 | 有很大的傷害 |
| 00:53:13,460 | 00:53:15,460 | 是 跟委員報告 |
| 00:53:15,460 | 00:53:16,460 | 確實如您所言 |
| 00:53:16,520 | 00:53:18,520 | 民眾觀望的態度 |
| 00:53:18,520 | 00:53:20,520 | 在去年暑假以後 |
| 00:53:20,520 | 00:53:22,520 | 其實就很明顯的浮現 |
| 00:53:22,520 | 00:53:24,520 | 所以經濟部跟財政部 |
| 00:53:24,520 | 00:53:25,520 | 在去年九月的時候 |
| 00:53:25,520 | 00:53:27,520 | 其實也透過大院的協助 |
| 00:53:27,520 | 00:53:30,520 | 通過了貨物稅減稅的一個修法 |
| 00:53:30,520 | 00:53:33,520 | 那目前整車汽車的部分 |
| 00:53:33,520 | 00:53:36,520 | 新購汽車可以有五萬塊的減免貨物稅 |
| 00:53:36,520 | 00:53:38,520 | 另外還有五萬的太舊換新減免 |
| 00:53:38,520 | 00:53:39,520 | 我知道 |
| 00:53:39,520 | 00:53:40,520 | 因為那個是我們通過的 |
| 00:53:40,520 | 00:53:41,520 | 我瞭解 |
| 00:53:41,520 | 00:53:42,520 | 我現在問你的問題 |
| 00:53:42,520 | 00:53:44,520 | 我們針對問題好不好 |
| 00:53:44,520 | 00:53:45,520 | 我說這個到底什麼時候 |
| 00:53:45,580 | 00:53:46,580 | 到底什麼時候才能定案 |
| 00:53:46,580 | 00:53:47,580 | 因為你一直不定案 |
| 00:53:47,580 | 00:53:49,580 | 這個狀況就會一直存在 |
| 00:53:49,580 | 00:53:50,580 | 是 這個什麼 |
| 00:53:50,580 | 00:53:52,580 | ART的這個協議 |
| 00:53:52,580 | 00:53:55,580 | 因為涉及到美方它的法源依據 |
| 00:53:55,580 | 00:53:56,580 | 必須要做一些調整 |
| 00:53:56,580 | 00:53:58,580 | 那目前我的瞭解是 |
| 00:53:58,580 | 00:54:00,580 | 還沒有完成調整 |
| 00:54:00,580 | 00:54:02,580 | 這個可能還是要回到 |
| 00:54:02,580 | 00:54:04,580 | 經貿談判辦公室那邊 |
| 00:54:04,580 | 00:54:06,580 | 才有辦法知道最新的進度 |
| 00:54:06,580 | 00:54:08,580 | 所以大家都是 |
| 00:54:08,580 | 00:54:10,580 | 都是在憑空在等 |
| 00:54:10,580 | 00:54:11,580 | 人家一直問我 |
| 00:54:11,580 | 00:54:12,580 | 我也只能說 |
| 00:54:12,580 | 00:54:13,580 | 還在談還在談 |
| 00:54:13,640 | 00:54:14,640 | 還在談 |
| 00:54:14,640 | 00:54:15,640 | 不過跟委員報告 |
| 00:54:15,640 | 00:54:16,640 | 今年上半年 |
| 00:54:16,640 | 00:54:17,640 | 這個整車啊 |
| 00:54:17,640 | 00:54:19,640 | 整車的這個不管是產值 |
| 00:54:19,640 | 00:54:21,640 | 或者是一個銷售的情形 |
| 00:54:21,640 | 00:54:22,640 | 跟去年的同期比較 |
| 00:54:22,640 | 00:54:24,640 | 其實是有微幅成長1到2% |
| 00:54:24,640 | 00:54:26,640 | 1到2% |
| 00:54:26,640 | 00:54:28,640 | 問題是去年整個就 |
| 00:54:28,640 | 00:54:29,640 | 衰退了不到幾十% |
| 00:54:29,640 | 00:54:32,640 | 去年應該是從4月份開始以後 |
| 00:54:32,640 | 00:54:33,640 | 開始衰退 |
| 00:54:33,640 | 00:54:34,640 | 對啊 那衰退那麼多 |
| 00:54:34,640 | 00:54:36,640 | 今年跟去年比 |
| 00:54:36,640 | 00:54:38,640 | 你跟一個成績最差的年度比 |
| 00:54:38,640 | 00:54:40,640 | 然後還增加1、2%而已 |
| 00:54:40,640 | 00:54:41,640 | 所以其實很多人都在等 |
| 00:54:41,700 | 00:54:43,700 | 那大家也都在抱怨 |
| 00:54:43,700 | 00:54:45,700 | 說到底這個事情要怎麼樣 |
| 00:54:45,700 | 00:54:47,700 | 因為我跟你講 |
| 00:54:47,700 | 00:54:49,700 | 我以前在縣政府服務的時候 |
| 00:54:49,700 | 00:54:52,700 | 我們蘇貞昌縣長曾經說過 |
| 00:54:52,700 | 00:54:54,700 | 假案也好 疑案也好 |
| 00:54:54,700 | 00:54:56,700 | 拖延案最不好 |
| 00:54:56,700 | 00:54:58,700 | 因為拖延案就是不確定的狀況 |
| 00:54:58,700 | 00:55:00,700 | 好 那先請你回座 |
| 00:55:00,700 | 00:55:02,700 | 再繼續問請教莊部長 |
| 00:55:02,700 | 00:55:04,700 | 這個因為美中貿易戰爭 |
| 00:55:04,700 | 00:55:06,700 | 而對等官就是從這邊來的 |
| 00:55:06,700 | 00:55:08,700 | 其實我們台灣最大的課題 |
| 00:55:08,700 | 00:55:10,700 | 是要避免息產地 |
| 00:55:10,759 | 00:55:12,759 | 你那個時候在這邊講說 |
| 00:55:12,759 | 00:55:15,759 | 你要事前嚴防 事中嚴查 |
| 00:55:15,759 | 00:55:16,759 | 事後嚴罰 |
| 00:55:16,759 | 00:55:18,759 | 那請問你有做到嗎 |
| 00:55:18,759 | 00:55:20,759 | 確實我們海關在落實這個執行 |
| 00:55:20,759 | 00:55:23,759 | 而且我們也組成了強查小組 |
| 00:55:23,759 | 00:55:25,759 | 就是由各官的官務長 |
| 00:55:25,759 | 00:55:27,759 | 要率隊做強查的一個查 |
| 00:55:27,759 | 00:55:28,759 | 對高風險的廠商 |
| 00:55:28,759 | 00:55:30,759 | 我們要提高查的頻率 |
| 00:55:30,759 | 00:55:33,759 | 那也建立了違規太陽的資料庫 |
| 00:55:33,759 | 00:55:35,759 | 然後我們要做精準的打擊 |
| 00:55:35,759 | 00:55:36,759 | 都有做到 |
| 00:55:36,759 | 00:55:37,759 | 我跟你報告 |
| 00:55:37,759 | 00:55:38,759 | 是 |
| 00:55:38,820 | 00:55:41,820 | 你們給我的資料查了3萬6千多筆 |
| 00:55:41,820 | 00:55:46,820 | 其中認為疑似違規轉運案件354筆 |
| 00:55:46,820 | 00:55:49,820 | 送給這個 |
| 00:55:49,820 | 00:55:51,820 | 貿易署 |
| 00:55:51,820 | 00:55:52,820 | 裁罰 |
| 00:55:52,820 | 00:55:54,820 | 目前完成200件裁罰 |
| 00:55:54,820 | 00:55:56,820 | 還有100多件還沒有裁罰 |
| 00:55:56,820 | 00:55:57,820 | 200件的裁罰 |
| 00:55:57,820 | 00:55:59,820 | 你知道罰多少錢嗎 |
| 00:55:59,820 | 00:56:00,820 | 加總在一起 |
| 00:56:00,820 | 00:56:02,820 | 裁罰4千6百43萬 |
| 00:56:02,820 | 00:56:06,820 | 平均一件被你抓到違規息產地 |
| 00:56:06,820 | 00:56:07,820 | 罰23萬 |
| 00:56:07,880 | 00:56:08,880 | 誰會怕 |
| 00:56:08,880 | 00:56:10,880 | 我息產地我換標 |
| 00:56:10,880 | 00:56:13,880 | 我獲得的利潤永遠不只這一些 |
| 00:56:14,880 | 00:56:15,880 | 也有罰到60萬 |
| 00:56:15,880 | 00:56:16,880 | 我想跟委員報告 |
| 00:56:16,880 | 00:56:17,880 | 罰了最高60萬 |
| 00:56:17,880 | 00:56:18,880 | 那可見還有更低的 |
| 00:56:18,880 | 00:56:20,880 | 可能只有罰2萬塊錢3萬塊錢 |
| 00:56:20,880 | 00:56:23,880 | 如果是這樣的罰法 |
| 00:56:23,880 | 00:56:26,880 | 你這個叫做事後研罰 |
| 00:56:26,880 | 00:56:29,880 | 事後研罰就比我獲得的利益要小很多 |
| 00:56:29,880 | 00:56:33,880 | 那我當然會有一個誘因去違規 |
| 00:56:34,880 | 00:56:35,880 | 因為我改標 |
| 00:56:35,940 | 00:56:38,940 | 而且在自由貿易港區 |
| 00:56:38,940 | 00:56:40,940 | 我們本來就懷疑自由貿易港區 |
| 00:56:40,940 | 00:56:42,940 | 是最容易 |
| 00:56:42,940 | 00:56:43,940 | 因為沒有進到關內來 |
| 00:56:43,940 | 00:56:44,940 | 沒有進到台灣來 |
| 00:56:44,940 | 00:56:46,940 | 所以在自由貿易港區裡面 |
| 00:56:46,940 | 00:56:47,940 | 改標是最方便的 |
| 00:56:47,940 | 00:56:49,940 | 結果你們到現在一年多了 |
| 00:56:49,940 | 00:56:52,940 | 自由貿易港區只有查獲2件 |
| 00:56:52,940 | 00:56:54,940 | 所以你說你事中研查 |
| 00:56:54,940 | 00:56:56,940 | 我很懷疑 |
| 00:56:58,940 | 00:57:01,940 | 委員報告這個數據其實也有在增加 |
| 00:57:01,940 | 00:57:03,940 | 我們到7月19號 |
| 00:57:04,000 | 00:57:07,000 | 19號也已經查到4萬多筆的 |
| 00:57:07,000 | 00:57:08,000 | 蘇美的貨物 |
| 00:57:08,000 | 00:57:09,000 | 就是查緝的案件 |
| 00:57:09,000 | 00:57:12,000 | 移送的大概有399筆 |
| 00:57:15,000 | 00:57:17,000 | 不好意思我採取231筆 |
| 00:57:17,000 | 00:57:19,800 | 罰鍰大5,585 |
| 00:57:19,800 | 00:57:21,800 | 多了31筆 |
| 00:57:21,800 | 00:57:22,800 | 剛剛我跟你講200筆 |
| 00:57:22,800 | 00:57:23,800 | 現在變成說231筆 |
| 00:57:23,800 | 00:57:26,800 | 但是我們的研查以及他們的罰鍰 |
| 00:57:26,800 | 00:57:29,800 | 基本上應該也可以有二主作用 |
| 00:57:29,800 | 00:57:31,800 | 同時我們會對違規的廠商 |
| 00:57:32,660 | 00:57:34,660 | 建立資料庫其實會加強 |
| 00:57:34,660 | 00:57:36,660 | 他查的更平衡 |
| 00:57:36,660 | 00:57:41,660 | 我建議你跟經濟部橫向的聯繫 |
| 00:57:41,660 | 00:57:43,660 | 委員會的要求 |
| 00:57:43,660 | 00:57:47,660 | 嚴查這種偽冒息產地的做法 |
| 00:57:47,660 | 00:57:49,660 | 既然你們政策的宣示 |
| 00:57:49,660 | 00:57:51,660 | 事中要嚴查 |
| 00:57:51,660 | 00:57:52,660 | 事後要嚴罰 |
| 00:57:52,660 | 00:57:54,660 | 那所謂的嚴罰是什麼標準 |
| 00:57:54,660 | 00:57:56,660 | 是不是跟他們溝通一下 |
| 00:57:56,660 | 00:57:59,660 | 這種嘴巴講得很嚴重 |
| 00:58:00,520 | 00:58:02,520 | 結果落實的時候落實得很輕微 |
| 00:58:02,520 | 00:58:04,520 | 這個就是我們台灣目前法令 |
| 00:58:04,520 | 00:58:05,520 | 直系上的問題 |
| 00:58:05,520 | 00:58:07,520 | 各個地方各個層級的政府都一樣 |
| 00:58:07,520 | 00:58:09,520 | 明明關心說要去查場 |
| 00:58:09,520 | 00:58:11,520 | 查不查 |
| 00:58:11,520 | 00:58:13,520 | 查到了又怎麼樣 |
| 00:58:13,520 | 00:58:15,520 | 一樣啊 |
| 00:58:15,520 | 00:58:17,520 | 大家說法令定的嚴格 |
| 00:58:17,520 | 00:58:19,520 | 到執行面的時候都變得很輕忽 |
| 00:58:19,520 | 00:58:20,520 | 加油好不好 |
| 00:58:20,520 | 00:58:22,520 | 為了台灣我們大家要努力 |
| 00:58:22,520 | 00:58:24,520 | 我們台灣不會輕忽 |
| 00:58:24,520 | 00:58:26,520 | 謝謝 |
| 00:58:26,520 | 00:58:28,520 | 我們結束秉瑋委員的質詢 |
| 00:58:29,380 | 00:58:31,380 | 接下來請賴世保委員 |
| 00:58:41,380 | 00:58:43,380 | 謝謝主席以及各位先進 |
| 00:58:43,380 | 00:58:45,380 | 有請財政部的莊部長 |
| 00:58:45,380 | 00:58:49,380 | 還有經濟部產發署的周副署長 |
| 00:58:49,380 | 00:58:50,380 | 請莊部長 |
| 00:58:50,380 | 00:58:52,380 | 請周副署長 |
| 00:58:54,380 | 00:58:56,380 | 委員好 |
| 00:58:56,380 | 00:58:58,380 | 兩位長官好啊 |
| 00:58:59,240 | 00:59:01,240 | Alt Art沒有生效 |
| 00:59:01,240 | 00:59:03,240 | 是不是 |
| 00:59:03,240 | 00:59:04,240 | 這個 |
| 00:59:04,240 | 00:59:06,240 | 汽車進口汽車 |
| 00:59:06,240 | 00:59:08,240 | 17.5降為零 |
| 00:59:08,240 | 00:59:10,240 | 基本上就沒有這回事啦 |
| 00:59:10,240 | 00:59:11,240 | 是不是 |
| 00:59:11,240 | 00:59:13,240 | 不然怎麼會這樣 |
| 00:59:13,240 | 00:59:15,240 | 部長 |
| 00:59:15,240 | 00:59:17,240 | 目前來說當然還是依照我們海關進口稅則的稅率 |
| 00:59:17,240 | 00:59:19,240 | 來課徵汽車關稅 |
| 00:59:19,240 | 00:59:21,240 | 17.5 |
| 00:59:21,240 | 00:59:23,240 | 所以我可不可以這樣講 |
| 00:59:23,240 | 00:59:25,240 | 只要 |
| 00:59:25,240 | 00:59:27,240 | 跟美國的Art |
| 00:59:28,100 | 00:59:30,100 | Art沒有生效我們就一直維持 |
| 00:59:30,100 | 00:59:32,100 | 不會降 |
| 00:59:32,100 | 00:59:34,100 | 是不是這樣 |
| 00:59:34,100 | 00:59:36,100 | 一個稅率基本上是我們加入WTO以後 |
| 00:59:36,100 | 00:59:38,100 | 承諾的一個稅率 |
| 00:59:38,100 | 00:59:40,100 | 那如果跟台美談判Art的話 |
| 00:59:40,100 | 00:59:42,100 | 那剛剛也講得很清楚 |
| 00:59:42,100 | 00:59:44,100 | 它是屬於雙邊的一個協定 |
| 00:59:44,100 | 00:59:46,100 | 那所以只針對美車進口 |
| 00:59:46,100 | 00:59:48,100 | 來做調降 |
| 00:59:48,100 | 00:59:50,100 | 所以這是雙邊的 |
| 00:59:50,100 | 00:59:52,100 | 那至於汽車未來的關稅是否要調降 |
| 00:59:52,100 | 00:59:54,100 | 我們必須要 |
| 00:59:54,100 | 00:59:56,100 | 全面的調降必須要考慮國內的產業發展 |
| 00:59:56,960 | 00:59:58,960 | 今天報告你把它講得像毒蛇門市 |
| 00:59:58,960 | 01:00:00,960 | 說 |
| 01:00:00,960 | 01:00:02,960 | 這個損失快六百億 |
| 01:00:02,960 | 01:00:04,960 | 這個損失八百多億 |
| 01:00:04,960 | 01:00:06,960 | 夭壽 |
| 01:00:06,960 | 01:00:08,960 | 損失這麼大 |
| 01:00:08,960 | 01:00:10,960 | 怎麼可以做 |
| 01:00:10,960 | 01:00:12,960 | 你這是恐嚇老百姓 |
| 01:00:12,960 | 01:00:14,960 | 我們報告裡面 |
| 01:00:14,960 | 01:00:16,960 | 這個是 |
| 01:00:16,960 | 01:00:18,960 | 稅損的報告 |
| 01:00:18,960 | 01:00:20,960 | 同時還要考慮到 |
| 01:00:20,960 | 01:00:22,960 | 國內汽車產業的發展 |
| 01:00:22,960 | 01:00:24,960 | 來我跟你講一個 |
| 01:00:25,820 | 01:00:27,820 | 先請中副署長講一下 |
| 01:00:29,820 | 01:00:35,820 | 為了提升我們國內汽車產業的競爭力 |
| 01:00:35,820 | 01:00:37,820 | 不管 |
| 01:00:37,820 | 01:00:39,820 | 整體的汽車進來有沒有降關稅 |
| 01:00:39,820 | 01:00:41,820 | 你知不知 |
| 01:00:41,820 | 01:00:43,820 | 關鍵零組件 |
| 01:00:43,820 | 01:00:45,820 | 都應該要降關稅 |
| 01:00:45,820 | 01:00:47,820 | 你可以看喔 |
| 01:00:47,820 | 01:00:49,820 | 稅損只有八點多億 |
| 01:00:49,820 | 01:00:51,820 | 那麼十三項的汽車零組件 |
| 01:00:51,820 | 01:00:53,820 | 如果九項只有八點多億 |
| 01:00:54,680 | 01:00:56,680 | 如果針對十三項 |
| 01:00:56,680 | 01:00:58,680 | 還要還可以增加 |
| 01:00:58,680 | 01:01:00,680 | 你可以看耶 |
| 01:01:00,680 | 01:01:02,680 | 降關稅因為車子的競爭力提高了 |
| 01:01:02,680 | 01:01:04,680 | 稅收還增加 |
| 01:01:04,680 | 01:01:06,680 | 你們報告寫的 |
| 01:01:06,680 | 01:01:08,680 | 副署長要講一下嗎 |
| 01:01:08,680 | 01:01:10,680 | 跟委員報告 |
| 01:01:10,680 | 01:01:12,680 | 有關零組件降稅的部分 |
| 01:01:12,680 | 01:01:14,680 | 如果是屬於國內無產制的部分 |
| 01:01:14,680 | 01:01:16,680 | 那這樣子 |
| 01:01:16,680 | 01:01:18,680 | 從國外進來的零組件 |
| 01:01:18,680 | 01:01:20,680 | 降稅之後 |
| 01:01:20,680 | 01:01:22,680 | 對於國內車廠組裝的成本 |
| 01:01:23,540 | 01:01:25,540 | 自然就會讓它的銷售量提高 |
| 01:01:25,540 | 01:01:27,540 | 提高的機會 |
| 01:01:27,540 | 01:01:29,540 | 整車的銷售量提高之後 |
| 01:01:29,540 | 01:01:31,540 | 對於零組件的廠商 |
| 01:01:31,540 | 01:01:33,540 | 其實也相對說不定 |
| 01:01:33,540 | 01:01:35,540 | 我請教部長 |
| 01:01:35,540 | 01:01:37,540 | 所以按照我們的水平是OK |
| 01:01:37,540 | 01:01:39,540 | 所以你支持 |
| 01:01:39,540 | 01:01:41,540 | 不管進口車有沒有降 |
| 01:01:41,540 | 01:01:43,540 | 我們零組件可以先降 |
| 01:01:43,540 | 01:01:45,540 | 對不對 |
| 01:01:45,540 | 01:01:47,540 | 但是整個稅事支出評估的作業 |
| 01:01:47,540 | 01:01:49,540 | 還在財政部的負評審查 |
| 01:01:49,540 | 01:01:51,540 | 從來沒有結束 |
| 01:01:52,400 | 01:01:54,400 | 請莊部長 |
| 01:01:54,400 | 01:01:56,400 | 你的報告寫的 |
| 01:01:56,400 | 01:01:58,400 | 這是你的報告寫的 |
| 01:01:58,400 | 01:02:00,400 | 財政部長莊翠穎 |
| 01:02:00,400 | 01:02:02,400 | 你寫了13項的汽車零組件 |
| 01:02:02,400 | 01:02:04,400 | 調降關稅 |
| 01:02:04,400 | 01:02:06,400 | 稅收增加0.52 |
| 01:02:06,400 | 01:02:08,400 | 報名就要去做了 |
| 01:02:08,400 | 01:02:10,400 | 同意吧 |
| 01:02:10,400 | 01:02:12,400 | 就不管我汽車 |
| 01:02:12,400 | 01:02:14,400 | 現在因為還沒有有沒有降關稅 |
| 01:02:14,400 | 01:02:16,400 | 不知道 |
| 01:02:16,400 | 01:02:18,400 | 因為美國那邊還沒搞定 |
| 01:02:18,400 | 01:02:20,400 | 但是我們零組件也13項的 |
| 01:02:21,260 | 01:02:23,260 | 先給它降為零 |
| 01:02:23,260 | 01:02:25,260 | 我的提案就這個 |
| 01:02:25,260 | 01:02:27,260 | 部長 |
| 01:02:27,260 | 01:02:29,260 | 委員現在在程序中還是在做水平過渡 |
| 01:02:29,260 | 01:02:31,260 | 什麼時候可以最後出來 |
| 01:02:31,260 | 01:02:33,260 | 這個部分目前 |
| 01:02:33,260 | 01:02:35,260 | 還在經濟部在做 |
| 01:02:35,260 | 01:02:37,260 | 把這個水平做得更為充實 |
| 01:02:37,260 | 01:02:39,260 | 跟強化一點 |
| 01:02:39,260 | 01:02:41,260 | 那我可能還需要一些時間 |
| 01:02:41,260 | 01:02:43,260 | 多少時間 |
| 01:02:43,260 | 01:02:45,260 | 副組長兩個月內可以嗎 |
| 01:02:45,260 | 01:02:47,260 | 是跟委員報告 |
| 01:02:47,260 | 01:02:49,260 | 因為我們7月22號收到財政部的意見 |
| 01:02:50,120 | 01:02:52,120 | 所以我們還需要一些時間 |
| 01:02:52,120 | 01:02:54,120 | 做模型的調整 |
| 01:02:54,120 | 01:02:56,120 | 還多久 |
| 01:02:56,120 | 01:02:58,120 | 兩個月可以嗎 |
| 01:02:58,120 | 01:03:00,120 | 我們盡快 |
| 01:03:00,120 | 01:03:02,120 | 這個部長你的報告 |
| 01:03:02,120 | 01:03:04,120 | 寫這麼清楚 |
| 01:03:04,120 | 01:03:06,120 | 13項關鍵零組件 |
| 01:03:06,120 | 01:03:08,120 | 如果關稅降為零 |
| 01:03:08,120 | 01:03:10,120 | 稅收增加0.52億 |
| 01:03:10,120 | 01:03:12,120 | 你寫得這麼清楚 |
| 01:03:12,120 | 01:03:14,120 | 這件好事 |
| 01:03:14,120 | 01:03:16,120 | 報名就要去做了 |
| 01:03:16,120 | 01:03:18,120 | 那個副組長請回 |
| 01:03:18,980 | 01:03:20,980 | 來 |
| 01:03:20,980 | 01:03:22,980 | 我請教一下部長 |
| 01:03:22,980 | 01:03:24,980 | 我這個看不懂 |
| 01:03:24,980 | 01:03:26,980 | 為什麼 |
| 01:03:26,980 | 01:03:28,980 | 關股要介入國票金 |
| 01:03:28,980 | 01:03:30,980 | 你說以前 |
| 01:03:30,980 | 01:03:32,980 | 我質詢你的時候 |
| 01:03:32,980 | 01:03:34,980 | 你就說 |
| 01:03:34,980 | 01:03:36,980 | 因為它裡面 |
| 01:03:36,980 | 01:03:38,980 | 管理的亂七八糟 |
| 01:03:38,980 | 01:03:40,980 | 裡面問題很大 |
| 01:03:40,980 | 01:03:42,980 | 問題很大光是何其多 |
| 01:03:42,980 | 01:03:44,980 | 你為什麼偏偏什麼 |
| 01:03:44,980 | 01:03:46,980 | 地方不介入就介入這個 |
| 01:03:47,840 | 01:03:49,840 | 我就問你一個問題 |
| 01:03:49,840 | 01:03:51,840 | 以後我們講說財政部 |
| 01:03:51,840 | 01:03:53,840 | 及法院公署 |
| 01:03:53,840 | 01:03:55,840 | 八大行庫要來 |
| 01:03:55,840 | 01:03:57,840 | 是不是未來變成九大行庫 |
| 01:03:57,840 | 01:03:59,840 | 這個事情 |
| 01:03:59,840 | 01:04:01,840 | 它要不要來備詢 |
| 01:04:01,840 | 01:04:03,840 | 當然按照 |
| 01:04:03,840 | 01:04:05,840 | 立法院的職權來做 |
| 01:04:05,840 | 01:04:07,840 | 要不要你回答我 |
| 01:04:07,840 | 01:04:09,840 | 應該是會要的 |
| 01:04:09,840 | 01:04:11,840 | 尊重立法院的要求 |
| 01:04:11,840 | 01:04:13,840 | 以後就變成 |
| 01:04:13,840 | 01:04:15,840 | 不是八大行庫 |
| 01:04:16,700 | 01:04:18,700 | 我們尊重立法院要求 |
| 01:04:18,700 | 01:04:20,700 | 不不不你回答我 |
| 01:04:20,700 | 01:04:22,700 | 可以啊可以來啊 |
| 01:04:22,700 | 01:04:24,700 | 因為國營是管理法 |
| 01:04:24,700 | 01:04:26,700 | 第三條訂的這麼清楚 |
| 01:04:26,700 | 01:04:28,700 | 詞了 |
| 01:04:28,700 | 01:04:30,700 | 什麼要來關股 |
| 01:04:30,700 | 01:04:32,700 | 什麼時候來 |
| 01:04:32,700 | 01:04:34,700 | 持股超過50% |
| 01:04:34,700 | 01:04:36,700 | 政府指派 |
| 01:04:36,700 | 01:04:38,700 | 公股代表 |
| 01:04:38,700 | 01:04:40,700 | 擔任董事長或總經理 |
| 01:04:40,700 | 01:04:42,700 | 立法院要求 |
| 01:04:42,700 | 01:04:44,700 | 他就要來 |
| 01:04:45,560 | 01:04:47,560 | 立法第三條訂的這麼清楚 |
| 01:04:47,560 | 01:04:49,560 | 所以以後變成我們的 |
| 01:04:49,560 | 01:04:51,560 | 辦公股八大行庫 |
| 01:04:51,560 | 01:04:53,560 | 就能改成九大行庫 |
| 01:04:53,560 | 01:04:55,560 | 我這樣講沒有問題吧 |
| 01:04:55,560 | 01:04:57,560 | 不然我再決定一下 |
| 01:04:57,560 | 01:04:59,560 | 委員您已經把國營事業管理法列出來 |
| 01:04:59,560 | 01:05:01,560 | 立法院得要求 |
| 01:05:01,560 | 01:05:03,560 | 所以尊重立法院 |
| 01:05:03,560 | 01:05:05,560 | 好有這九大行庫 |
| 01:05:05,560 | 01:05:07,560 | 好 |
| 01:05:07,560 | 01:05:09,560 | 同時我就要問 |
| 01:05:09,560 | 01:05:11,560 | 當初問不出一個 |
| 01:05:11,560 | 01:05:13,560 | 所以然 |
| 01:05:14,420 | 01:05:16,420 | 這財政部啊 |
| 01:05:16,420 | 01:05:18,420 | 你只有說我有多少實力 |
| 01:05:18,420 | 01:05:20,420 | 我就拿多少洗翅 |
| 01:05:20,420 | 01:05:22,420 | 很好 |
| 01:05:22,420 | 01:05:24,420 | 但是大家會想到一個 |
| 01:05:24,420 | 01:05:26,420 | 應該是 |
| 01:05:26,420 | 01:05:28,420 | 戰略性的 |
| 01:05:28,420 | 01:05:30,420 | 我介入國票金 |
| 01:05:30,420 | 01:05:32,420 | 因為它是一個最小的金控 |
| 01:05:32,420 | 01:05:34,420 | 大家就會想到說 |
| 01:05:34,420 | 01:05:36,420 | 你要推公共病 |
| 01:05:36,420 | 01:05:38,420 | 你要病張銀 |
| 01:05:38,420 | 01:05:40,420 | 結果後來發現也沒有啊 |
| 01:05:40,420 | 01:05:42,420 | 後來發現說喔 |
| 01:05:42,420 | 01:05:44,420 | 答案在這裡 |
| 01:05:44,420 | 01:05:46,420 | 機關放在身後 |
| 01:05:46,420 | 01:05:48,420 | 只有圖利哪一個集團 |
| 01:05:48,420 | 01:05:50,420 | 他們的代表人 |
| 01:05:50,420 | 01:05:52,420 | 擔任副董事長年薪上千萬以上 |
| 01:05:54,420 | 01:05:56,420 | 變成說變了老半天 |
| 01:05:56,420 | 01:05:58,420 | 結果沒有病 |
| 01:05:58,420 | 01:06:00,420 | 只好做一件事情 |
| 01:06:00,420 | 01:06:02,420 | 圖利特定集團 |
| 01:06:02,420 | 01:06:04,420 | 這個 |
| 01:06:04,420 | 01:06:06,420 | 圖利耐斯集團 |
| 01:06:06,420 | 01:06:08,420 | 就變這個樣子啊 |
| 01:06:08,420 | 01:06:10,420 | 現在看到答案是這個 |
| 01:06:10,420 | 01:06:12,420 | 現在看到看整本看不懂 |
| 01:06:12,420 | 01:06:14,420 | 答案先開了 |
| 01:06:14,420 | 01:06:16,420 | 沒有什麼偉大的戰略 |
| 01:06:16,420 | 01:06:18,420 | 什麼都沒有 |
| 01:06:18,420 | 01:06:20,420 | 就是兩個字四個字 |
| 01:06:20,420 | 01:06:22,420 | 圖或者六個字好了 |
| 01:06:22,420 | 01:06:24,420 | 圖利特定財團 |
| 01:06:24,420 | 01:06:26,420 | 把你的股份去壓它 |
| 01:06:26,420 | 01:06:28,420 | 給它當一個副董事長 |
| 01:06:28,420 | 01:06:30,420 | 十四行上了董事長 |
| 01:06:30,420 | 01:06:32,420 | 現在總經理副董事長 |
| 01:06:32,420 | 01:06:34,420 | 坐領甘心 |
| 01:06:34,420 | 01:06:36,420 | 就這樣子而已啊 |
| 01:06:36,420 | 01:06:38,420 | 坐領高薪啊 |
| 01:06:38,420 | 01:06:40,420 | 高薪啊 |
| 01:06:40,420 | 01:06:42,420 | 部長 |
| 01:06:42,420 | 01:06:44,420 | 持相很難看 |
| 01:06:44,420 | 01:06:46,420 | 你做歷史罪人 |
| 01:06:46,420 | 01:06:48,420 | 總部長啊你做這個決定 |
| 01:06:48,420 | 01:06:50,420 | 很難看 |
| 01:06:50,420 | 01:06:52,420 | 委員我想在國票金這件事情 |
| 01:06:52,420 | 01:06:54,420 | 委員也好 |
| 01:06:54,420 | 01:06:56,420 | 還有社會各界都有相關的一些意見 |
| 01:06:56,420 | 01:06:58,420 | 那當然我們知道各個意見 |
| 01:06:58,420 | 01:07:00,420 | 相關的一個原由 |
| 01:07:00,420 | 01:07:02,420 | 我們也都了解 |
| 01:07:02,420 | 01:07:04,420 | 那我們已經一再說過了 |
| 01:07:04,420 | 01:07:06,420 | 國票金控目前來說 |
| 01:07:06,420 | 01:07:08,420 | 國票金控目前為止派了有關股權代表 |
| 01:07:08,420 | 01:07:10,420 | 他們主要的工作 |
| 01:07:10,420 | 01:07:12,420 | 就是完善他的公司治理 |
| 01:07:12,420 | 01:07:14,420 | 提升營運的一績效 |
| 01:07:14,420 | 01:07:16,420 | 那後續的做法 |
| 01:07:16,420 | 01:07:18,420 | 那當然大家都說沒有做 |
| 01:07:18,420 | 01:07:20,420 | 沒有做 |
| 01:07:20,420 | 01:07:22,420 | 推翻我講的話嘛 |
| 01:07:22,420 | 01:07:24,420 | 你今天背詞你還推翻我講的嗎 |
| 01:07:24,420 | 01:07:26,420 | 來人主席你沒有回答我啊 |
| 01:07:26,420 | 01:07:28,420 | 對不對 |
| 01:07:28,420 | 01:07:30,420 | 沒有就圖利 |
| 01:07:30,420 | 01:07:32,420 | 圖利啊 |
| 01:07:32,420 | 01:07:34,420 | 圖利啊圖利 |
| 01:07:34,420 | 01:07:36,420 | 圖利這個事情不要隨便灌在 |
| 01:07:36,420 | 01:07:38,420 | 我們同仁的身上 |
| 01:07:38,420 | 01:07:40,420 | 隨便灌在我們同仁的身上 |
| 01:07:40,420 | 01:07:42,420 | 你最終是什麼 |
| 01:07:42,420 | 01:07:44,420 | 給他一個副董事長 |
| 01:07:44,420 | 01:07:46,420 | 有種就給他董事長 |
| 01:07:46,420 | 01:07:48,420 | 這是公司治理內部的事 |
| 01:07:48,420 | 01:07:50,420 | 對不對 |
| 01:07:50,420 | 01:07:52,420 | 董事都聽你的啊 |
| 01:07:52,420 | 01:07:54,420 | 大家都了解啊 |
| 01:07:54,420 | 01:07:56,420 | 所以清清楚楚 |
| 01:07:56,420 | 01:07:58,420 | 看得到 |
| 01:07:58,420 | 01:08:00,420 | 你也沒有推動公共病 |
| 01:08:00,420 | 01:08:02,420 | 如果你繼續說來 |
| 01:08:02,420 | 01:08:04,420 | 你國標進事病 |
| 01:08:04,420 | 01:08:06,420 | 張英 |
| 01:08:06,420 | 01:08:08,420 | 我要給你掌聲 |
| 01:08:08,420 | 01:08:10,420 | 沒有啊 |
| 01:08:10,420 | 01:08:12,420 | 現在看到結果沒有這個東西啊 |
| 01:08:12,420 | 01:08:14,420 | 那我再問你投信是何一啊 |
| 01:08:14,420 | 01:08:16,420 | 所以今年底可以搞定是不是 |
| 01:08:16,420 | 01:08:18,420 | 朝這個目標進行 |
| 01:08:18,420 | 01:08:20,420 | 確定今年底 |
| 01:08:20,420 | 01:08:22,420 | 目前已經在做 |
| 01:08:22,420 | 01:08:24,420 | 按照相關程序在做的當中 |
| 01:08:24,420 | 01:08:26,420 | 當然還要符合金管的法規 |
| 01:08:26,420 | 01:08:28,420 | 我們也要除了董事會 |
| 01:08:28,420 | 01:08:30,420 | 先經過金管會 |
| 01:08:30,420 | 01:08:32,420 | 所以目前來積極的進行當中 |
| 01:08:32,420 | 01:08:34,420 | 都按照程序在進行 |
| 01:08:34,420 | 01:08:38,420 | 我給你個機會補考機會 |
| 01:08:38,420 | 01:08:40,420 | 部長啊 |
| 01:08:40,420 | 01:08:42,420 | 有關於國標及你們 |
| 01:08:42,420 | 01:08:44,420 | 大拉的介入之後 |
| 01:08:46,420 | 01:08:48,420 | 介入之後 |
| 01:08:48,420 | 01:08:50,420 | 你的戰略目的是什麼 |
| 01:08:50,420 | 01:08:52,420 | 你可以寫個報告給我們 |
| 01:08:52,420 | 01:08:54,420 | 好不好給蔡委會 |
| 01:08:54,420 | 01:08:56,420 | 你到底為什麼這樣子 |
| 01:08:56,420 | 01:08:58,420 | 因為外界一直質疑啊 |
| 01:08:58,420 | 01:09:00,420 | 你只有一個啊 |
| 01:09:00,420 | 01:09:04,420 | 就看到只有一個說給一個胡董事長年薪上千萬 |
| 01:09:04,420 | 01:09:06,420 | 其他都沒有看到 |
| 01:09:06,420 | 01:09:08,420 | 傳過水無痕 |
| 01:09:08,420 | 01:09:10,420 | 很可悲喔 |
| 01:09:10,420 | 01:09:14,420 | 你的形象毀於一旦喔 |
| 01:09:14,420 | 01:09:16,420 | 好謝謝委員的指教 |
| 01:09:16,420 | 01:09:18,420 | 謝謝我們結束賴世寶委員的質詢 |
| 01:09:18,420 | 01:09:20,420 | 接下來請郭國文委員 |
| 01:09:28,420 | 01:09:30,420 | 謝謝主席有請莊部長 |
| 01:09:36,420 | 01:09:38,420 | 委員好 |
| 01:09:38,420 | 01:09:40,420 | 部長好討論一下 |
| 01:09:40,420 | 01:09:44,420 | 新的娛樂社會法在522的時候正式上路 |
| 01:09:44,420 | 01:09:48,420 | 當初我們硬生生的把一些我們不想要的 |
| 01:09:48,420 | 01:09:50,420 | 只留了兩個 |
| 01:09:50,420 | 01:09:52,420 | 其他的大部分都想要把它砍掉了 |
| 01:09:52,420 | 01:09:54,420 | 結果呢 |
| 01:09:54,420 | 01:09:56,420 | 我們財政部就用第三條公告的方式 |
| 01:09:56,420 | 01:09:58,420 | 讓它死灰復燃 |
| 01:09:58,420 | 01:10:02,420 | 完全無視於立法院當初蔡委會的精神 |
| 01:10:02,420 | 01:10:06,420 | 最終20項當中農村有9項 |
| 01:10:06,420 | 01:10:08,420 | 只有砍掉水乳跟遊樂設施而已 |
| 01:10:08,420 | 01:10:10,420 | 張國你去看看 |
| 01:10:10,420 | 01:10:12,420 | 導致荒謬的現象 |
| 01:10:12,420 | 01:10:14,420 | 第一個 |
| 01:10:14,420 | 01:10:16,420 | 我們去聽唱歌不用錢 |
| 01:10:16,420 | 01:10:18,420 | 自己唱歌卻要娛樂睡 |
| 01:10:18,420 | 01:10:20,420 | 還有呢 |
| 01:10:20,420 | 01:10:22,420 | 在電影院看電影 |
| 01:10:22,420 | 01:10:24,420 | 不用睡 |
| 01:10:24,420 | 01:10:26,420 | 可是呢 |
| 01:10:26,420 | 01:10:28,420 | 在MTV裡頭看電影卻要睡 |
| 01:10:28,420 | 01:10:30,420 | 這非常的奇怪 |
| 01:10:30,420 | 01:10:32,420 | 更何況你去看喔 |
| 01:10:32,420 | 01:10:34,420 | 不論是這個密室逃脫啦 |
| 01:10:34,420 | 01:10:36,420 | 還有包括 |
| 01:10:36,420 | 01:10:38,420 | 這個社企場 |
| 01:10:38,420 | 01:10:40,420 | 以至於呢 |
| 01:10:40,420 | 01:10:42,420 | 包括這個高爾夫球練習場 |
| 01:10:42,420 | 01:10:44,420 | 高爾夫球我們會製作 |
| 01:10:44,420 | 01:10:46,420 | 是因為地方有需求 |
| 01:10:46,420 | 01:10:48,420 | 不是禁止這個運動 |
| 01:10:48,420 | 01:10:50,420 | 把這個運動當成奢侈睡 |
| 01:10:50,420 | 01:10:52,420 | 部長你有沒有聽我在講 |
| 01:10:52,420 | 01:10:54,420 | 因為這9項當中 |
| 01:10:54,420 | 01:10:56,420 | 我講白一點啦 |
| 01:10:56,420 | 01:10:58,420 | 只有第8項那打青狗啦 |
| 01:10:58,420 | 01:11:00,420 | 賓果機啦電子遊樂機 |
| 01:11:00,420 | 01:11:04,420 | 這一個才有娛樂睡的這個空間啦 |
| 01:11:04,420 | 01:11:08,420 | 有的遇境於盡的這個意義才在這邊 |
| 01:11:08,420 | 01:11:10,420 | 其他的都不應該 |
| 01:11:10,420 | 01:11:12,420 | 藉由各種公告的方式 |
| 01:11:12,420 | 01:11:14,420 | 臨駕於立法院 |
| 01:11:14,420 | 01:11:16,420 | 才會有的會知上 |
| 01:11:16,420 | 01:11:18,420 | 然後你去看喔 |
| 01:11:18,420 | 01:11:20,420 | 總共我們好不容易 |
| 01:11:20,420 | 01:11:22,420 | 不容易情況底下 |
| 01:11:22,420 | 01:11:24,420 | 我們對社會講說喔 |
| 01:11:24,420 | 01:11:26,420 | 我們做娛樂睡的改革 |
| 01:11:26,420 | 01:11:28,420 | 結果哪有改到 |
| 01:11:28,420 | 01:11:30,420 | 就只有改到我們當初講到的電影啦 |
| 01:11:30,420 | 01:11:32,420 | 跟職業表演而已 |
| 01:11:32,420 | 01:11:34,420 | 這個部分呢 |
| 01:11:34,420 | 01:11:36,420 | 剩下的部分 |
| 01:11:36,420 | 01:11:38,420 | 只有高爾夫球占娛樂睡28% |
| 01:11:38,420 | 01:11:40,420 | 72%的娛樂睡 |
| 01:11:40,420 | 01:11:42,420 | 既然是透過財政部的公告情況底下 |
| 01:11:42,420 | 01:11:44,420 | 擴大解釋要徵收 |
| 01:11:44,420 | 01:11:46,420 | 這根本欺騙社會嘛 |
| 01:11:46,420 | 01:11:48,420 | 財政部用行政權 |
| 01:11:48,420 | 01:11:50,420 | 財政部用行政權 |
| 01:11:50,420 | 01:11:52,420 | 離駕於立法權嘛 |
| 01:11:52,420 | 01:11:54,420 | 像這一種 |
| 01:11:54,420 | 01:11:56,420 | 如果小鋼珠電子遊樂場 |
| 01:11:56,420 | 01:11:58,420 | 我就比較沒有意見 |
| 01:11:58,420 | 01:12:00,420 | 可是你其他的 |
| 01:12:00,420 | 01:12:02,420 | 你還是照樣瞌睡 |
| 01:12:02,420 | 01:12:04,420 | 沒道理啊 |
| 01:12:04,420 | 01:12:06,420 | 部長你到底有沒有清楚這種狀況啊 |
| 01:12:06,420 | 01:12:08,420 | 部長 |
| 01:12:08,420 | 01:12:10,420 | 你欺騙國會欺騙社會啊 |
| 01:12:10,420 | 01:12:12,420 | 沒有欺騙社會 |
| 01:12:12,420 | 01:12:14,420 | 娛樂睡法第二條裡面 |
| 01:12:14,420 | 01:12:16,420 | 有分三項 |
| 01:12:16,420 | 01:12:18,420 | 但是我們當初的 |
| 01:12:18,420 | 01:12:20,420 | 最重要的意義是把舞廳 |
| 01:12:20,420 | 01:12:22,420 | 留下來瞌睡 |
| 01:12:22,420 | 01:12:24,420 | 高爾夫球是因為地方上的需求 |
| 01:12:24,420 | 01:12:26,420 | 第三個部分 |
| 01:12:26,420 | 01:12:28,420 | 讓你公告 |
| 01:12:28,420 | 01:12:30,420 | 你公告的權力那麼大 |
| 01:12:30,420 | 01:12:32,420 | 你不應該符合的 |
| 01:12:32,420 | 01:12:34,420 | 你應該把它拿掉才對啊 |
| 01:12:34,420 | 01:12:36,420 | 結果你保留了72%的 |
| 01:12:36,420 | 01:12:38,420 | 這個睡園 |
| 01:12:38,420 | 01:12:40,420 | 公告的在我們的第二條第三 |
| 01:12:40,420 | 01:12:42,420 | 以前說娛樂睡是因為地方的睡 |
| 01:12:42,420 | 01:12:44,420 | 所以地方很困擾 |
| 01:12:44,420 | 01:12:46,420 | 我們在委員會討論就這樣子 |
| 01:12:46,420 | 01:12:48,420 | 地方現在多了4000多億 |
| 01:12:48,420 | 01:12:50,420 | 哪會有睡園的問題 |
| 01:12:50,420 | 01:12:52,420 | 這個睡園的理由已經不存在了嘛 |
| 01:12:52,420 | 01:12:54,420 | 部長 我能說明嗎 |
| 01:12:54,420 | 01:12:56,420 | 說啊 |
| 01:12:56,420 | 01:12:58,420 | 在第二條裡面的三項要課徵 |
| 01:12:58,420 | 01:13:00,420 | 第一項裡面的第三款 |
| 01:13:00,420 | 01:13:02,420 | 有提到財政部可以去公告 |
| 01:13:02,420 | 01:13:04,420 | 但是在同條文裡面的 |
| 01:13:04,420 | 01:13:06,420 | 第三項也說 |
| 01:13:06,420 | 01:13:08,420 | 我們的前面各款它也 |
| 01:13:08,420 | 01:13:10,420 | 地方政府也可以去授權 |
| 01:13:10,420 | 01:13:12,420 | 去做停徵 |
| 01:13:12,420 | 01:13:14,420 | 這個 |
| 01:13:14,420 | 01:13:16,420 | 地方政府怎麼可能停徵 |
| 01:13:16,420 | 01:13:18,420 | 所以前面 |
| 01:13:18,420 | 01:13:20,420 | 我們上次在娛樂睡討論的時候 |
| 01:13:20,420 | 01:13:22,420 | 把項目都拿掉 |
| 01:13:22,420 | 01:13:24,420 | 但是保留第三款 |
| 01:13:24,420 | 01:13:26,420 | 第三款由財政部來公告這個項目 |
| 01:13:26,420 | 01:13:28,420 | 這項目我們也是請各 |
| 01:13:28,420 | 01:13:30,420 | 也是請各地方政府 |
| 01:13:30,420 | 01:13:32,420 | 提出意見以後 |
| 01:13:32,420 | 01:13:34,420 | 我們會怎麼的 |
| 01:13:34,420 | 01:13:36,420 | 當然大家都不願意嘛 |
| 01:13:36,420 | 01:13:38,420 | 我們上次最重要的理由 |
| 01:13:38,420 | 01:13:40,420 | 地方已經沒有所謂需要睡園的問題 |
| 01:13:40,420 | 01:13:42,420 | 因為地方的財政能力已經強化很多 |
| 01:13:42,420 | 01:13:44,420 | 所以說才會來檢討這個娛樂睡 |
| 01:13:44,420 | 01:13:46,420 | 娛樂睡以前就不存在這個理由了嘛 |
| 01:13:46,420 | 01:13:48,420 | 是 |
| 01:13:48,420 | 01:13:50,420 | 所以當時第三款 |
| 01:13:50,420 | 01:13:52,420 | 還是保留著給地方政府 |
| 01:13:52,420 | 01:13:54,420 | 有一個授權的範圍 |
| 01:13:54,420 | 01:13:56,420 | 但是 |
| 01:13:56,420 | 01:13:58,420 | 他是經財政部 |
| 01:13:58,420 | 01:14:00,420 | 你是經過財政部整理公告的啊 |
| 01:14:00,420 | 01:14:02,420 | 是經過財政部整理公告 |
| 01:14:02,420 | 01:14:06,420 | 而且整理公告也是根據各地方政府所建議的 |
| 01:14:06,420 | 01:14:08,420 | 問地方政府 |
| 01:14:08,420 | 01:14:10,420 | 要把睡園砍掉 |
| 01:14:10,420 | 01:14:12,420 | 我們在財政委員會 |
| 01:14:12,420 | 01:14:14,420 | 最主要的部分就只有保留兩項而已嘛 |
| 01:14:14,420 | 01:14:16,420 | 對啊 |
| 01:14:16,420 | 01:14:18,420 | 那我想這個東西也 |
| 01:14:18,420 | 01:14:20,420 | 這個公告內容也不是不能檢討 |
| 01:14:20,420 | 01:14:22,420 | 對當然要檢討 |
| 01:14:22,420 | 01:14:24,420 | 也可以是滾動檢討 |
| 01:14:24,420 | 01:14:26,420 | 我真的要檢討 |
| 01:14:26,420 | 01:14:28,420 | 真的 |
| 01:14:28,420 | 01:14:30,420 | 這是欺騙社會欺騙國會啦 |
| 01:14:30,420 | 01:14:32,420 | 這個九項當中 |
| 01:14:32,420 | 01:14:34,420 | 我認為唯一有道理的 |
| 01:14:34,420 | 01:14:36,420 | 就是有第八項電子遊樂場 |
| 01:14:36,420 | 01:14:38,420 | 連高爾夫球練習場 |
| 01:14:38,420 | 01:14:40,420 | 高爾夫球練習場 |
| 01:14:40,420 | 01:14:42,420 | 高爾夫球之所以我們要留下來 |
| 01:14:42,420 | 01:14:44,420 | 是因為你說鄉的部分的財政考量 |
| 01:14:44,420 | 01:14:46,420 | 我們才放行 |
| 01:14:46,420 | 01:14:48,420 | 不是嗎 |
| 01:14:48,420 | 01:14:50,420 | 現在打高爾夫球才超過一百萬人 |
| 01:14:50,420 | 01:14:52,420 | 所以練習場而已 |
| 01:14:52,420 | 01:14:54,420 | 你也在磕 |
| 01:14:54,420 | 01:14:56,420 | 部長你既然已經說要回去檢討 |
| 01:14:56,420 | 01:14:58,420 | 那你就好好檢討一下 |
| 01:14:58,420 | 01:15:00,420 | 一個月給本席一個報告 |
| 01:15:00,420 | 01:15:02,420 | 一個月給本席一個報告 |
| 01:15:02,420 | 01:15:04,420 | 可以吧 |
| 01:15:04,420 | 01:15:06,420 | 還有一個部分部長 |
| 01:15:06,420 | 01:15:08,420 | 我一樣要來檢討一件事情 |
| 01:15:08,420 | 01:15:10,420 | 統一發票上一次你有答應本席 |
| 01:15:10,420 | 01:15:12,420 | 要重新檢討 |
| 01:15:12,420 | 01:15:14,420 | 也是要檢討 |
| 01:15:14,420 | 01:15:16,420 | 也就是大獎下修小獎上修 |
| 01:15:18,420 | 01:15:20,420 | 你答應得很阿莎利喔 |
| 01:15:20,420 | 01:15:22,420 | 部長 |
| 01:15:22,420 | 01:15:24,420 | 結果我們去問你們的稅務署 |
| 01:15:24,420 | 01:15:26,420 | 稅務署說沒有時程規劃 |
| 01:15:26,420 | 01:15:28,420 | 現在當然是稅務署新的署長 |
| 01:15:28,420 | 01:15:30,420 | 這條帳不應該算在他身上 |
| 01:15:30,420 | 01:15:32,420 | 不過他也要去面對 |
| 01:15:32,420 | 01:15:34,420 | 說沒有時間 |
| 01:15:34,420 | 01:15:36,420 | 好你去看喔 |
| 01:15:36,420 | 01:15:38,420 | 馬上你們雲端發票一下子 |
| 01:15:38,420 | 01:15:40,420 | 調成五百塊 |
| 01:15:40,420 | 01:15:42,420 | 就有二十到四十萬組 |
| 01:15:42,420 | 01:15:44,420 | 差那麼多 |
| 01:15:44,420 | 01:15:46,420 | 整個紙本的發票 |
| 01:15:46,420 | 01:15:48,420 | 比例還高達三成三 |
| 01:15:48,420 | 01:15:50,420 | 那三成三的人就不用調嗎 |
| 01:15:50,420 | 01:15:52,420 | 今天你可以馬上兩百 |
| 01:15:52,420 | 01:15:54,420 | 改成五百 |
| 01:15:54,420 | 01:15:56,420 | 二十萬組變四十萬組 |
| 01:15:56,420 | 01:15:58,420 | 小獎上修的統一發票 |
| 01:15:58,420 | 01:16:00,420 | 為什麼會遙遙無期 |
| 01:16:00,420 | 01:16:02,420 | 那整個大獎下修的部分 |
| 01:16:02,420 | 01:16:04,420 | 問也沒有時間表 |
| 01:16:04,420 | 01:16:06,420 | 部長 |
| 01:16:06,420 | 01:16:08,420 | 你要不要有一個具體的時間 |
| 01:16:08,420 | 01:16:10,420 | 來回答本席 |
| 01:16:10,420 | 01:16:12,420 | 來回答對整個統一發票 |
| 01:16:12,420 | 01:16:14,420 | 因應其他的民眾的期待 |
| 01:16:14,420 | 01:16:16,420 | 好對委員的建議 |
| 01:16:16,420 | 01:16:18,420 | 我們都很重視 |
| 01:16:18,420 | 01:16:20,420 | 那目前已經在修正相關的辦法 |
| 01:16:20,420 | 01:16:22,420 | 那我們會盡快的提出來相關的修正 |
| 01:16:22,420 | 01:16:24,420 | 可以跟本席的時間嗎 |
| 01:16:24,420 | 01:16:26,420 | 我們 |
| 01:16:26,420 | 01:16:28,420 | 上次說沒有時間表 |
| 01:16:28,420 | 01:16:30,420 | 沒有時間表 |
| 01:16:30,420 | 01:16:32,420 | 這是兩個多月的事情 |
| 01:16:32,420 | 01:16:34,420 | 我們是不是在給我們 |
| 01:16:34,420 | 01:16:36,420 | 兩個月 |
| 01:16:36,420 | 01:16:38,420 | 不要兩個月再兩個月 |
| 01:16:38,420 | 01:16:40,420 | 接下來還有一個 |
| 01:16:40,420 | 01:16:42,420 | 很重要的事情 |
| 01:16:42,420 | 01:16:44,420 | 部長現在AI時代 |
| 01:16:44,420 | 01:16:46,420 | 的來臨 |
| 01:16:46,420 | 01:16:48,420 | 民間的朋友跟我講 |
| 01:16:48,420 | 01:16:50,420 | 宮古銀行在上次的數位轉型當中 |
| 01:16:50,420 | 01:16:52,420 | 落後民間的銀行 |
| 01:16:52,420 | 01:16:54,420 | 大概十五年 |
| 01:16:54,420 | 01:16:56,420 | 國營銀行 |
| 01:16:56,420 | 01:16:58,420 | 落後民間的銀行 |
| 01:16:58,420 | 01:17:00,420 | 大概二十年 |
| 01:17:00,420 | 01:17:02,420 | 前面來不及追 |
| 01:17:02,420 | 01:17:04,420 | 後面又有第二波數位轉型 |
| 01:17:04,420 | 01:17:06,420 | AI又來了 |
| 01:17:06,420 | 01:17:08,420 | 你去看大部分的人 |
| 01:17:08,420 | 01:17:10,420 | 客戶的體驗感受面 |
| 01:17:10,420 | 01:17:12,420 | 在網路銀行 |
| 01:17:12,420 | 01:17:14,420 | 行動銀行的功能界面上 |
| 01:17:14,420 | 01:17:16,420 | 都大輸民營銀行 |
| 01:17:16,420 | 01:17:18,420 | 民營銀行推出了AI服務 |
| 01:17:18,420 | 01:17:20,420 | AI行銷智慧助理 |
| 01:17:20,420 | 01:17:22,420 | 宮古銀行只會傳LINE |
| 01:17:22,420 | 01:17:24,420 | 民營金控銀行建立完整的資料庫 |
| 01:17:24,420 | 01:17:26,420 | 其實數據跟決策 |
| 01:17:26,420 | 01:17:28,420 | 運用大數字來整合行銷 |
| 01:17:28,420 | 01:17:30,420 | 宮古銀行還不曉得在做什麼 |
| 01:17:30,420 | 01:17:32,420 | 所以 |
| 01:17:32,420 | 01:17:34,420 | 唯一宮古銀行現在比較強的 |
| 01:17:34,420 | 01:17:36,420 | 是我們財經單位 |
| 01:17:36,420 | 01:17:38,420 | 給予授權區塊鏈的金融服務 |
| 01:17:38,420 | 01:17:40,420 | 讓央行開辦 |
| 01:17:40,420 | 01:17:42,420 | 黃金的RWA的部分 |
| 01:17:42,420 | 01:17:44,420 | 這相對還有未來穩定幣的部分 |
| 01:17:44,420 | 01:17:46,420 | 金管會授權給銀行的部分 |
| 01:17:46,420 | 01:17:48,420 | 比較有空間 |
| 01:17:48,420 | 01:17:50,420 | 其他的我看 |
| 01:17:50,420 | 01:17:52,420 | 很難耶 |
| 01:17:52,420 | 01:17:54,420 | 委員人有沒有決心 |
| 01:17:54,420 | 01:17:56,420 | 前面輸了後面有沒有可能迎頭趕上 |
| 01:17:56,420 | 01:17:58,420 | 兩步做一步來達成 |
| 01:17:58,420 | 01:18:00,420 | 部長 |
| 01:18:00,420 | 01:18:02,420 | 委員的督促 |
| 01:18:02,420 | 01:18:04,420 | 宮古銀行要做數位 |
| 01:18:04,420 | 01:18:06,420 | 然後跟時代的趨勢接軌上 |
| 01:18:06,420 | 01:18:08,420 | 一直是我們督促宮古行庫在做的 |
| 01:18:08,420 | 01:18:10,420 | 對 |
| 01:18:10,420 | 01:18:12,420 | 你們督促宮古行在做的 |
| 01:18:12,420 | 01:18:14,420 | 我很想知道你要怎麼督促 |
| 01:18:14,420 | 01:18:16,420 | 第一個目標 |
| 01:18:16,420 | 01:18:18,420 | 第二個人力 |
| 01:18:18,420 | 01:18:20,420 | 第三個預算 |
| 01:18:20,420 | 01:18:22,420 | 第三個預算 |
| 01:18:22,420 | 01:18:24,420 | 第四個時程 |
| 01:18:24,420 | 01:18:26,420 | 第五個研考 |
| 01:18:26,420 | 01:18:28,420 | 有沒有可能列出來 |
| 01:18:28,420 | 01:18:32,420 | 我想這個部分我們已經有相關的計畫在推動 |
| 01:18:32,420 | 01:18:34,420 | 我們可以把報告提送給委員 |
| 01:18:34,420 | 01:18:36,420 | 好 |
| 01:18:36,420 | 01:18:38,420 | 本席拜讀 |
| 01:18:38,420 | 01:18:40,420 | 還有一個 |
| 01:18:40,420 | 01:18:42,420 | 剛剛我講國營銀行 |
| 01:18:42,420 | 01:18:44,420 | 更嚴重 |
| 01:18:44,420 | 01:18:46,420 | 不只財政部所屬 |
| 01:18:46,420 | 01:18:48,420 | 跟交通部所屬兼職部所屬很不一樣的 |
| 01:18:48,420 | 01:18:50,420 | 現在國營的比例 |
| 01:18:50,420 | 01:18:52,420 | 現在是所有的部會當中最多的 |
| 01:18:52,420 | 01:18:54,420 | 三家國營銀行 |
| 01:18:54,420 | 01:18:56,420 | 一家台九 |
| 01:18:56,420 | 01:18:58,420 | 現階段都變成 |
| 01:18:58,420 | 01:19:00,420 | 第一變成是人力銀行的跳板 |
| 01:19:00,420 | 01:19:02,420 | 人力訓練完就跑去民間 |
| 01:19:02,420 | 01:19:04,420 | 擁有宮古銀行或公家單位的 |
| 01:19:04,420 | 01:19:06,420 | 這個資歷 |
| 01:19:06,420 | 01:19:08,420 | 第二個 |
| 01:19:08,420 | 01:19:10,420 | 所有的這個部分 |
| 01:19:10,420 | 01:19:12,420 | 給的這個狀況 |
| 01:19:12,420 | 01:19:14,420 | 交通經濟部 |
| 01:19:14,420 | 01:19:16,420 | 還是屬於偏獨佔 |
| 01:19:16,420 | 01:19:18,420 | 我們這些都是開放型的競爭 |
| 01:19:18,420 | 01:19:20,420 | 所以相對的 |
| 01:19:20,420 | 01:19:22,420 | 會更加的弱勢 |
| 01:19:22,420 | 01:19:24,420 | 以至於說我們在市場的 |
| 01:19:24,420 | 01:19:26,420 | 佔有率越來越低 |
| 01:19:26,420 | 01:19:28,420 | 然後人員流失的越來越重 |
| 01:19:28,420 | 01:19:30,420 | 本席直接建議 |
| 01:19:30,420 | 01:19:32,420 | 有沒有可能把 |
| 01:19:32,420 | 01:19:34,420 | 國營銀行 |
| 01:19:34,420 | 01:19:36,420 | 比照目前的宮古銀行 |
| 01:19:36,420 | 01:19:38,420 | 四金二銀 |
| 01:19:38,420 | 01:19:40,420 | 的薪酬、禁用、獎金、行銷盤性 |
| 01:19:40,420 | 01:19:42,420 | 這樣處理 |
| 01:19:42,420 | 01:19:44,420 | 還有 |
| 01:19:44,420 | 01:19:46,420 | 就比照中鋼、台肥等 |
| 01:19:46,420 | 01:19:48,420 | 由關股主導的公司一樣 |
| 01:19:48,420 | 01:19:50,420 | 來讓他有彈性經營的模式 |
| 01:19:50,420 | 01:19:52,420 | 這兩個可能性有沒有 |
| 01:19:52,420 | 01:19:54,420 | 委員您很清楚 |
| 01:19:54,420 | 01:19:56,420 | 就是您剛剛講的 |
| 01:19:56,420 | 01:19:58,420 | 金融銀行它是開放競爭的 |
| 01:19:58,420 | 01:20:00,420 | 一個資源市場 |
| 01:20:00,420 | 01:20:02,420 | 台九也是 |
| 01:20:02,420 | 01:20:04,420 | 台土 |
| 01:20:04,420 | 01:20:06,420 | 因為蘇銀它有政策的一些不同的工作 |
| 01:20:06,420 | 01:20:08,420 | 台土當然面臨這樣的一個情境 |
| 01:20:08,420 | 01:20:10,420 | 但是它就是國營 |
| 01:20:10,420 | 01:20:12,420 | 它必須受國營事業管理法的規範 |
| 01:20:12,420 | 01:20:14,420 | 因此它的薪資也會回到人種 |
| 01:20:14,420 | 01:20:16,420 | 這個也就是一直在講 |
| 01:20:16,420 | 01:20:18,420 | 我們也希望 |
| 01:20:18,420 | 01:20:20,420 | 我們其實真的很期待 |
| 01:20:20,420 | 01:20:22,420 | 它有一個可以不一樣的薪資 |
| 01:20:22,420 | 01:20:24,420 | 的一個待遇 |
| 01:20:24,420 | 01:20:26,420 | 然後我們也會持續的去爭 |
| 01:20:26,420 | 01:20:28,420 | 做這方面的建議 |
| 01:20:28,420 | 01:20:30,420 | 對,我就說你至少在制度上 |
| 01:20:30,420 | 01:20:32,420 | 做一個比較,有沒有鬆綁的哪些可能性 |
| 01:20:32,420 | 01:20:34,420 | 可以比照四金二銀的這種可能性 |
| 01:20:34,420 | 01:20:36,420 | 是 |
| 01:20:36,420 | 01:20:38,420 | 你一直在卡死說原來的辦法 |
| 01:20:38,420 | 01:20:40,420 | 這不是辦法 |
| 01:20:40,420 | 01:20:42,420 | 我們當然希望能夠吸引 |
| 01:20:42,420 | 01:20:44,420 | 吸引薪水 |
| 01:20:44,420 | 01:20:46,420 | 而且要說給他們的 |
| 01:20:46,420 | 01:20:48,420 | 晉升能夠突破 |
| 01:20:48,420 | 01:20:50,420 | 既有的一些所謂論資 |
| 01:20:50,420 | 01:20:52,420 | 排輩等等 |
| 01:20:52,420 | 01:20:54,420 | 對優秀人才要能夠留 |
| 01:20:54,420 | 01:20:56,420 | 吸引人才是 |
| 01:20:56,420 | 01:20:58,420 | 那為什麼都沒有突破呢 |
| 01:20:58,420 | 01:21:00,420 | 我們要不要想一想 |
| 01:21:00,420 | 01:21:02,420 | 你還是要寫一份報告給本席 |
| 01:21:02,420 | 01:21:04,420 | 你要怎麼突破 |
| 01:21:04,420 | 01:21:06,420 | 還有包括那個菸酒公司 |
| 01:21:06,420 | 01:21:08,420 | 一個是生產單位,一個是服務單位 |
| 01:21:08,420 | 01:21:10,420 | 我們要想一下辦法好不好 |
| 01:21:10,420 | 01:21:12,420 | 這個問題不要大啦 |
| 01:21:12,420 | 01:21:14,420 | 我給你三個月啦,好不好 |
| 01:21:14,420 | 01:21:16,420 | 具體喔 |
| 01:21:16,420 | 01:21:18,420 | 具體喔 |
| 01:21:18,420 | 01:21:20,420 | 好,謝謝 |
| 01:21:20,420 | 01:21:22,420 | 好,我們結束郭國榮委員的質詢 |
| 01:21:22,420 | 01:21:24,420 | 接下來請賴會員委員 |
| 01:21:30,420 | 01:21:32,420 | 謝謝主席,有請那個 |
| 01:21:32,420 | 01:21:34,420 | 我們財政部部長 |
| 01:21:34,420 | 01:21:36,420 | 請部長 |
| 01:21:38,420 | 01:21:40,420 | 委員好 |
| 01:21:42,420 | 01:21:44,420 | 部長早安 |
| 01:21:44,420 | 01:21:46,420 | 部長,我想 |
| 01:21:46,420 | 01:21:48,420 | 針對著這個301條款的調查 |
| 01:21:48,420 | 01:21:50,420 | 跟台灣的關稅的一個風險 |
| 01:21:50,420 | 01:21:52,420 | 來跟部長 |
| 01:21:52,420 | 01:21:54,420 | 做一個探討 |
| 01:21:54,420 | 01:21:56,420 | 就是說 |
| 01:21:56,420 | 01:21:58,420 | 這個301條款的 |
| 01:21:58,420 | 01:22:00,420 | 這個稅率已經出爐了 |
| 01:22:00,420 | 01:22:02,420 | 那我們台灣 |
| 01:22:02,420 | 01:22:04,420 | 台灣就是在這個 |
| 01:22:04,420 | 01:22:06,420 | 強迫勞動這個 |
| 01:22:06,420 | 01:22:08,420 | 這個項目裡頭 |
| 01:22:08,420 | 01:22:10,420 | 那我們除了 |
| 01:22:10,420 | 01:22:12,420 | 強迫勞動以外 |
| 01:22:12,420 | 01:22:14,420 | 台灣會不會還有其他的 |
| 01:22:14,420 | 01:22:16,420 | 理由被美國加徵關稅呢 |
| 01:22:16,420 | 01:22:18,420 | 那製造業 |
| 01:22:18,420 | 01:22:20,420 | 這個產能過剩的調查 |
| 01:22:20,420 | 01:22:22,420 | 什麼時候出爐 |
| 01:22:22,420 | 01:22:24,420 | 製造業產能的調查 |
| 01:22:24,420 | 01:22:26,420 | 什麼時候出爐,這個還不辦 |
| 01:22:26,420 | 01:22:28,420 | 又要看美方,美方最後的一個公布 |
| 01:22:28,420 | 01:22:30,420 | 那現在有關301 |
| 01:22:30,420 | 01:22:32,420 | 對,301那個 |
| 01:22:32,420 | 01:22:34,420 | 條款調查的部分有關 |
| 01:22:34,420 | 01:22:36,420 | 禁止強迫勞動進口 |
| 01:22:36,420 | 01:22:38,420 | 產品進口的這部分 |
| 01:22:38,420 | 01:22:40,420 | 調查報告已經出來了,而且我們獲得一個 |
| 01:22:40,420 | 01:22:42,420 | 是相對優勢的一個稅率 |
| 01:22:42,420 | 01:22:44,420 | 就是10%而且不疊加 |
| 01:22:44,420 | 01:22:46,420 | MFN,而且有2231 |
| 01:22:46,420 | 01:22:48,420 | 效產品是在 |
| 01:22:48,420 | 01:22:50,420 | 獲名的範圍裡面 |
| 01:22:50,420 | 01:22:52,420 | 那所以這個部分其實是 |
| 01:22:52,420 | 01:22:54,420 | 建築在我們原來 |
| 01:22:54,420 | 01:22:56,420 | 跟美方談的ART的一個 |
| 01:22:56,420 | 01:22:58,420 | 基礎上我們提到一個相對 |
| 01:22:58,420 | 01:23:00,420 | 的一個優惠的待遇 |
| 01:23:00,420 | 01:23:02,420 | 那至於產能過剩 |
| 01:23:02,420 | 01:23:04,420 | 後續的調查 |
| 01:23:04,420 | 01:23:06,420 | 我們也會配合提供 |
| 01:23:06,420 | 01:23:08,420 | 相關的一些資料 |
| 01:23:08,420 | 01:23:10,420 | 那未來我想那個 |
| 01:23:10,420 | 01:23:12,420 | 顯然就是說 |
| 01:23:12,420 | 01:23:14,420 | 這一個製造業的產能過剩 |
| 01:23:14,420 | 01:23:16,420 | 這個調查現在不清楚 |
| 01:23:16,420 | 01:23:18,420 | 那還有我們還沒有 |
| 01:23:18,420 | 01:23:20,420 | 看到的一個結構性產能 |
| 01:23:20,420 | 01:23:22,420 | 過剩調查的這個時程 |
| 01:23:22,420 | 01:23:24,420 | 這一個在什麼時候 |
| 01:23:24,420 | 01:23:26,420 | 公布,也不知道 |
| 01:23:28,420 | 01:23:30,420 | 要看美方,美方的進程 |
| 01:23:30,420 | 01:23:32,420 | 我們這個部分不可能去 |
| 01:23:32,420 | 01:23:34,420 | 我想部長我請問你 |
| 01:23:34,420 | 01:23:36,420 | 這個結構性產能的過剩 |
| 01:23:36,420 | 01:23:38,420 | 其實 |
| 01:23:38,420 | 01:23:40,420 | 這個調查 |
| 01:23:40,420 | 01:23:42,420 | 我們台灣顯然 |
| 01:23:42,420 | 01:23:44,420 | 很有機會 |
| 01:23:44,420 | 01:23:46,420 | 我們的政府是不是會透過 |
| 01:23:46,420 | 01:23:48,420 | 一些補貼的方式 |
| 01:23:48,420 | 01:23:50,420 | 他這個調查內容他有包含說 |
| 01:23:50,420 | 01:23:52,420 | 你政府是不是透過補貼的方式 |
| 01:23:52,420 | 01:23:54,420 | 融資的方式或是計畫經濟 |
| 01:23:54,420 | 01:23:56,420 | 讓製造業 |
| 01:23:56,420 | 01:23:58,420 | 在市場條件不允許之下 |
| 01:23:58,420 | 01:24:00,420 | 繼續生產 |
| 01:24:00,420 | 01:24:02,420 | 可是在我們國內對企業的 |
| 01:24:02,420 | 01:24:04,420 | 一個戶稅優惠 |
| 01:24:04,420 | 01:24:06,420 | 還有政府的一個鼓勵融資方案 |
| 01:24:06,420 | 01:24:08,420 | 裡頭 |
| 01:24:08,420 | 01:24:10,420 | 我們應該會 |
| 01:24:10,420 | 01:24:12,420 | 繞在這個301條款的調查 |
| 01:24:12,420 | 01:24:14,420 | 範圍,你覺得呢 |
| 01:24:14,420 | 01:24:16,420 | 我想我們政府的各個 |
| 01:24:16,420 | 01:24:18,420 | 部門都會為 |
| 01:24:18,420 | 01:24:20,420 | 產業去爭取一個最好的 |
| 01:24:20,420 | 01:24:22,420 | 一個待遇 |
| 01:24:22,420 | 01:24:24,420 | 那也會在台美談判已經取得的 |
| 01:24:24,420 | 01:24:26,420 | 優惠條件上去做一些 |
| 01:24:26,420 | 01:24:28,420 | 爭取,我想這個是 |
| 01:24:28,420 | 01:24:30,420 | 台美經貿談判辦公室 |
| 01:24:30,420 | 01:24:32,420 | 一直在努力的事 |
| 01:24:32,420 | 01:24:34,420 | 為什麼我會問你這個問題 |
| 01:24:34,420 | 01:24:36,420 | 就是說我們的政府不斷的就是說 |
| 01:24:36,420 | 01:24:38,420 | 我們也不斷的在補貼 |
| 01:24:38,420 | 01:24:40,420 | 產業啊 |
| 01:24:40,420 | 01:24:42,420 | 那看起來這一個我們沒有 |
| 01:24:42,420 | 01:24:44,420 | 辦法就是說置身一度外 |
| 01:24:44,420 | 01:24:46,420 | 所以我要問 |
| 01:24:46,420 | 01:24:48,420 | 你的就是說你覺得 |
| 01:24:48,420 | 01:24:50,420 | 你覺得這個在後續上 |
| 01:24:50,420 | 01:24:52,420 | 那個我們 |
| 01:24:52,420 | 01:24:54,420 | 可能會面臨到什麼樣 |
| 01:24:54,420 | 01:24:56,420 | 的一個挑戰啊 |
| 01:24:56,420 | 01:24:58,420 | 在這邊我們 |
| 01:24:58,420 | 01:25:00,420 | 沒有辦法去預期 |
| 01:25:00,420 | 01:25:02,420 | 整個是在談判辦公室在做 |
| 01:25:02,420 | 01:25:04,420 | 跟美國的 |
| 01:25:04,420 | 01:25:06,420 | USTR在做討論 |
| 01:25:06,420 | 01:25:08,420 | 以及協商,那我們也會 |
| 01:25:08,420 | 01:25:10,420 | 配合提供相關的資料為 |
| 01:25:10,420 | 01:25:12,420 | 我們的產業爭取一個最好的 |
| 01:25:12,420 | 01:25:14,420 | 一個待遇,那至於剛剛委員 |
| 01:25:14,420 | 01:25:16,420 | 提出了相關的一些細節 |
| 01:25:16,420 | 01:25:18,420 | 那未來我們要提供資料或者是 |
| 01:25:18,420 | 01:25:20,420 | 經濟部也需要提供相關資料 |
| 01:25:20,420 | 01:25:22,420 | 我們都會做充分的提供 |
| 01:25:22,420 | 01:25:24,420 | 好,顯然問不到 |
| 01:25:24,420 | 01:25:26,420 | 一個比較明確的 |
| 01:25:26,420 | 01:25:28,420 | 一個面向啦 |
| 01:25:28,420 | 01:25:30,420 | 部長,在針對的貿易的 |
| 01:25:30,420 | 01:25:32,420 | 黃線,我們延緩 |
| 01:25:32,420 | 01:25:34,420 | 中國,就是中國 |
| 01:25:34,420 | 01:25:36,420 | 獲得一個洗產地的一個問題 |
| 01:25:36,420 | 01:25:38,420 | 那我們有提供獎金 |
| 01:25:38,420 | 01:25:40,420 | 就是說在經濟部貿易署 |
| 01:25:40,420 | 01:25:42,420 | 裡頭,我們時收 |
| 01:25:42,420 | 01:25:44,420 | 是20%每年的上限 |
| 01:25:44,420 | 01:25:46,420 | 是180萬 |
| 01:25:46,420 | 01:25:48,420 | 那這個 |
| 01:25:48,420 | 01:25:50,420 | 看起來財政部,財政部 |
| 01:25:50,420 | 01:25:52,420 | 條件比較好 |
| 01:25:52,420 | 01:25:54,420 | 也是一樣20% |
| 01:25:54,420 | 01:25:56,420 | 可是每案我們最高是到 |
| 01:25:56,420 | 01:25:58,420 | 480萬 |
| 01:25:58,420 | 01:26:00,420 | 那這個現行的 |
| 01:26:00,420 | 01:26:02,420 | 獎勵制度 |
| 01:26:02,420 | 01:26:04,420 | 這個捐給獎金的進額是 |
| 01:26:04,420 | 01:26:06,420 | 20%那每案到 |
| 01:26:06,420 | 01:26:08,420 | 480萬,那貿易署 |
| 01:26:08,420 | 01:26:10,420 | 時收,時收的 |
| 01:26:10,420 | 01:26:12,420 | 花園是20%啦 |
| 01:26:12,420 | 01:26:14,420 | 那其實就是說 |
| 01:26:14,420 | 01:26:16,420 | 這個捐給的一個資料都是密件 |
| 01:26:16,420 | 01:26:18,420 | 保存,禁止第三人的一個調驗 |
| 01:26:18,420 | 01:26:20,420 | 可是我們做了這麼努力 |
| 01:26:20,420 | 01:26:22,420 | 那你看喔 |
| 01:26:22,420 | 01:26:24,420 | 我們不管是貿易署 |
| 01:26:24,420 | 01:26:26,420 | 與裁划的案件200件 |
| 01:26:26,420 | 01:26:28,420 | 然後我們的裁划總金額 |
| 01:26:28,420 | 01:26:30,420 | 是4,643萬 |
| 01:26:30,420 | 01:26:32,420 | 那這個規定出爐以後 |
| 01:26:32,420 | 01:26:34,420 | 查獲的案件數明顯 |
| 01:26:34,420 | 01:26:36,420 | 有沒有增加 |
| 01:26:36,420 | 01:26:38,420 | 那如果有成效的話,你是不是要 |
| 01:26:38,420 | 01:26:40,420 | 再加強力道,那我們是不是 |
| 01:26:40,420 | 01:26:42,420 | 要增加更多的一個誘因 |
| 01:26:42,420 | 01:26:44,420 | 那如果成效不彰的話 |
| 01:26:44,420 | 01:26:46,420 | 是不是應該提高 |
| 01:26:46,420 | 01:26:48,420 | 獎金的一個上限啊 |
| 01:26:48,420 | 01:26:50,420 | 部長你怎麼看 |
| 01:26:50,420 | 01:26:52,420 | 跟委員報告,大概我們 |
| 01:26:52,420 | 01:26:54,420 | 因為實施強查的一個 |
| 01:26:54,420 | 01:26:56,420 | 作業,所以幾乎都是我們 |
| 01:26:56,420 | 01:26:58,420 | 主動去查到,當然 |
| 01:26:58,420 | 01:27:00,420 | 檢舉的部分呢 |
| 01:27:00,420 | 01:27:02,420 | 我們也訂了相關的獎金 |
| 01:27:02,420 | 01:27:04,420 | 那在自由貿易港區裡面 |
| 01:27:04,420 | 01:27:06,420 | 是根據我們的財務罰還 |
| 01:27:06,420 | 01:27:08,420 | 處理暫行條例裡面去做的 |
| 01:27:08,420 | 01:27:10,420 | 那另外在其他的 |
| 01:27:10,420 | 01:27:12,420 | 是由貿易署去做的,那金額 |
| 01:27:12,420 | 01:27:14,420 | 的額度上當然有所不同 |
| 01:27:14,420 | 01:27:16,420 | 好,我想有關執行後的 |
| 01:27:16,420 | 01:27:18,420 | 一些細節是不是可以由 |
| 01:27:18,420 | 01:27:20,420 | 我們署長來做補充說明 |
| 01:27:20,420 | 01:27:22,420 | 好,好,署長來請回答 |
| 01:27:22,420 | 01:27:24,420 | 署長我在這裡 |
| 01:27:24,420 | 01:27:26,420 | 要特別跟你請教就是說 |
| 01:27:26,420 | 01:27:28,420 | 官務署可以不可以調整 |
| 01:27:28,420 | 01:27:30,420 | 就是獎金的一個上限 |
| 01:27:30,420 | 01:27:32,420 | 這個是有依據的 |
| 01:27:32,420 | 01:27:34,420 | 如果我們的財務 |
| 01:27:34,420 | 01:27:36,420 | 那個法源處理的 |
| 01:27:36,420 | 01:27:38,420 | 一個暫行條例第三條 |
| 01:27:38,420 | 01:27:40,420 | 的第二項跟第四條規定 |
| 01:27:40,420 | 01:27:42,420 | 來的,可是這一部法律 |
| 01:27:42,420 | 01:27:44,420 | 是在民國43年制定的 |
| 01:27:44,420 | 01:27:46,420 | 顯然已經超過 |
| 01:27:46,420 | 01:27:48,420 | 70年了,你上一次修正的時候 |
| 01:27:48,420 | 01:27:50,420 | 是20年前的事情 |
| 01:27:50,420 | 01:27:52,420 | 那是不是應該 |
| 01:27:52,420 | 01:27:54,420 | 進行這一部法律的 |
| 01:27:54,420 | 01:27:56,420 | 一個通盤的檢討 |
| 01:27:56,420 | 01:27:58,420 | 那署長請回 |
| 01:27:58,420 | 01:28:00,420 | 是,報告委員,那個財務法法條例 |
| 01:28:00,420 | 01:28:02,420 | 是不是要修正 |
| 01:28:02,420 | 01:28:04,420 | 主要是看就是說如果是 |
| 01:28:04,420 | 01:28:06,420 | 法法的這個獎金 |
| 01:28:06,420 | 01:28:08,420 | 它產生很大的一個效果的話 |
| 01:28:08,420 | 01:28:10,420 | 我們是可以來研議 |
| 01:28:10,420 | 01:28:12,420 | 未來來修正這個財務法法 |
| 01:28:12,420 | 01:28:14,420 | 獎金的一個辦法 |
| 01:28:14,420 | 01:28:16,420 | 但目前480萬來說 |
| 01:28:16,420 | 01:28:18,420 | 這最高額480萬每一案 |
| 01:28:18,420 | 01:28:20,420 | 目前看起來是還夠 |
| 01:28:20,420 | 01:28:22,420 | 那主要剛剛部長也報告過 |
| 01:28:22,420 | 01:28:24,420 | 目前在第一線上 |
| 01:28:24,420 | 01:28:26,420 | 查獲的這些違規轉運 |
| 01:28:26,420 | 01:28:28,420 | 幾乎都是海關 |
| 01:28:28,420 | 01:28:30,420 | 自己主動依資權查獲的 |
| 01:28:30,420 | 01:28:32,420 | 目前我們提出這個 |
| 01:28:32,420 | 01:28:34,420 | 就是說相關的一個 |
| 01:28:34,420 | 01:28:36,420 | 獎勵金的一個辦法 |
| 01:28:36,420 | 01:28:38,420 | 只是鼓勵大家多來檢舉 |
| 01:28:38,420 | 01:28:40,420 | 來檢舉這些違規不法的行為 |
| 01:28:40,420 | 01:28:42,420 | 那日後有機會 |
| 01:28:42,420 | 01:28:44,420 | 我們有需要在調整的時候 |
| 01:28:44,420 | 01:28:46,420 | 會朝這個方向來做 |
| 01:28:46,420 | 01:28:48,420 | 我們看到了充斥了 |
| 01:28:48,420 | 01:28:50,420 | 很多的一個水貨 |
| 01:28:50,420 | 01:28:52,420 | 那在我們官方的 |
| 01:28:52,420 | 01:28:54,420 | 資料裡頭顯現的 |
| 01:28:54,420 | 01:28:56,420 | 你現在告訴我說 |
| 01:28:56,420 | 01:28:58,420 | 這個華款的這個華金的 |
| 01:28:58,420 | 01:29:00,420 | 一個制度面其實480萬 |
| 01:29:00,420 | 01:29:02,420 | 的一個檢舉獎金 |
| 01:29:02,420 | 01:29:04,420 | 是夠的,可是為什麼 |
| 01:29:04,420 | 01:29:06,420 | 普遍我們存在的市場 |
| 01:29:06,420 | 01:29:08,420 | 你看有這麼多人 |
| 01:29:08,420 | 01:29:10,420 | 這個抽的這個 |
| 01:29:10,420 | 01:29:12,420 | 這個電子菸都是水貨 |
| 01:29:12,420 | 01:29:14,420 | 甚至就是說 |
| 01:29:14,420 | 01:29:16,420 | 有很多的一個 |
| 01:29:16,420 | 01:29:18,420 | 日用品的一個水貨充斥在市場 |
| 01:29:18,420 | 01:29:20,420 | 那你要怎麼回答我這些問題 |
| 01:29:20,420 | 01:29:22,420 | 你告訴我說 |
| 01:29:22,420 | 01:29:24,420 | 這個執行面是不錯的 |
| 01:29:24,420 | 01:29:26,420 | 可是顯然跟我們現實的 |
| 01:29:26,420 | 01:29:28,420 | 一個市場環境是不太一樣的 |
| 01:29:28,420 | 01:29:30,420 | 你看喔 |
| 01:29:30,420 | 01:29:32,420 | 你進到那個電器行的時候 |
| 01:29:32,420 | 01:29:34,420 | 他會問你說 |
| 01:29:34,420 | 01:29:36,420 | 買水貨還是買公司貨 |
| 01:29:36,420 | 01:29:38,420 | 他們都是這樣子回 |
| 01:29:38,420 | 01:29:40,420 | 先跟你這樣子招攬生意 |
| 01:29:40,420 | 01:29:42,420 | 水貨比較便宜 |
| 01:29:42,420 | 01:29:44,420 | 可是水貨就是沒有 |
| 01:29:44,420 | 01:29:46,420 | 售後服務沒有保固 |
| 01:29:46,420 | 01:29:48,420 | 是,跟委員報告 |
| 01:29:48,420 | 01:29:50,420 | 就是說海關 |
| 01:29:50,420 | 01:29:52,420 | 醫職權強查 |
| 01:29:52,420 | 01:29:54,420 | 以及說鼓勵民眾來檢舉 |
| 01:29:54,420 | 01:29:56,420 | 不法的行為,我們雙軌 |
| 01:29:56,420 | 01:29:58,420 | 都會進行,而且我們非常鼓勵 |
| 01:29:58,420 | 01:30:00,420 | 民眾來檢舉不法 |
| 01:30:00,420 | 01:30:02,420 | 那如果說真的有這個 |
| 01:30:02,420 | 01:30:04,420 | 獎金不夠的問題的話 |
| 01:30:04,420 | 01:30:06,420 | 我們會檢討來適度做調整 |
| 01:30:06,420 | 01:30:08,420 | 所以你看嘛 |
| 01:30:08,420 | 01:30:10,420 | 你要修正了嘛,好,署長謝謝 |
| 01:30:10,420 | 01:30:12,420 | 來,部長 |
| 01:30:12,420 | 01:30:14,420 | 再請教你一個問題 |
| 01:30:14,420 | 01:30:16,420 | 虛擬資產專法通過了以後 |
| 01:30:16,420 | 01:30:18,420 | 台灣的虛擬市場 |
| 01:30:18,420 | 01:30:20,420 | 一下子變得很熱門 |
| 01:30:20,420 | 01:30:22,420 | 許多外國的業者都陸續到台灣 |
| 01:30:22,420 | 01:30:24,420 | 來開闊市場 |
| 01:30:24,420 | 01:30:26,420 | 那這個營業稅法 |
| 01:30:26,420 | 01:30:28,420 | 跟不上新興商業的一個模式 |
| 01:30:28,420 | 01:30:30,420 | 我們台灣會不會 |
| 01:30:30,420 | 01:30:32,420 | 變為一個避稅的天堂 |
| 01:30:32,420 | 01:30:34,420 | 你看喔,那在未來 |
| 01:30:34,420 | 01:30:36,420 | 在未來就是說 |
| 01:30:36,420 | 01:30:38,420 | 我們的這個 |
| 01:30:38,420 | 01:30:40,420 | TAS |
| 01:30:40,420 | 01:30:42,420 | 它要吸收這個BIGO啟動 |
| 01:30:42,420 | 01:30:44,420 | 金融機構數位資產 |
| 01:30:44,420 | 01:30:46,420 | 實務的一個轉型的論壇 |
| 01:30:46,420 | 01:30:48,420 | 這個我們都看到了 |
| 01:30:48,420 | 01:30:50,420 | 國外 |
| 01:30:50,420 | 01:30:52,420 | 國外的一個,境外的一個 |
| 01:30:52,420 | 01:30:54,420 | 電商,它已經要來 |
| 01:30:54,420 | 01:30:56,420 | 銷售電子業務 |
| 01:30:56,420 | 01:30:58,420 | 那你怎麼課稅它呢 |
| 01:30:58,420 | 01:31:00,420 | 它是自然人還是法人 |
| 01:31:00,420 | 01:31:02,420 | 這個顯然是說 |
| 01:31:02,420 | 01:31:04,420 | 好像是 |
| 01:31:04,420 | 01:31:06,420 | 我們沒有一個好的方式 |
| 01:31:06,420 | 01:31:08,420 | 我們好像是在協助他們 |
| 01:31:08,420 | 01:31:10,420 | 在逃稅 |
| 01:31:10,420 | 01:31:12,420 | 委員 |
| 01:31:12,420 | 01:31:14,420 | 對於有關虛擬資產的 |
| 01:31:14,420 | 01:31:16,420 | 一個課稅議題 |
| 01:31:16,420 | 01:31:18,420 | 其實在金管會 |
| 01:31:18,420 | 01:31:20,420 | 在研擬這個過程當中 |
| 01:31:20,420 | 01:31:22,420 | 財政部也都已參與 |
| 01:31:22,420 | 01:31:24,420 | 那虛擬資產它裡面 |
| 01:31:24,420 | 01:31:26,420 | 未來它要如何課稅 |
| 01:31:26,420 | 01:31:28,420 | 現行的營業稅法還有所得稅法 |
| 01:31:28,420 | 01:31:30,420 | 來做課徵 |
| 01:31:30,420 | 01:31:32,420 | 那要按照它的相關的 |
| 01:31:32,420 | 01:31:34,420 | 比如說是發行的或是買賣 |
| 01:31:34,420 | 01:31:36,420 | 以及它的定性是什麼 |
| 01:31:36,420 | 01:31:38,420 | 其實我們都有做過研究 |
| 01:31:38,420 | 01:31:40,420 | 那對於它這樣的一個態樣 |
| 01:31:40,420 | 01:31:42,420 | 那依照現行的稅法是足以來做課徵的 |
| 01:31:42,420 | 01:31:44,420 | 也就是說 |
| 01:31:44,420 | 01:31:46,420 | 現行的稅法有 |
| 01:31:46,420 | 01:31:48,420 | 規定,那這樣的一個態樣 |
| 01:31:48,420 | 01:31:50,420 | 它如何套到法律裡面 |
| 01:31:50,420 | 01:31:52,420 | 其實是有適用的 |
| 01:31:52,420 | 01:31:54,420 | 灰色的地帶 |
| 01:31:54,420 | 01:31:56,420 | 我現在講的就是這個灰色的地帶 |
| 01:31:56,420 | 01:31:58,420 | 到底有多少外國的業者 |
| 01:31:58,420 | 01:32:00,420 | 來台落地招募那個客戶 |
| 01:32:00,420 | 01:32:02,420 | 你有沒有掌握到 |
| 01:32:02,420 | 01:32:04,420 | 這些業者是不是算是 |
| 01:32:04,420 | 01:32:06,420 | 見外的電商 |
| 01:32:06,420 | 01:32:08,420 | 其實你是要脅迫他們用你各種的一個方式 |
| 01:32:08,420 | 01:32:10,420 | 讓他在台灣落地 |
| 01:32:10,420 | 01:32:12,420 | 我們才 |
| 01:32:12,420 | 01:32:14,420 | 我們才有辦法就是說 |
| 01:32:14,420 | 01:32:16,420 | 扣到稅 |
| 01:32:16,420 | 01:32:18,420 | 這個其實是重點 |
| 01:32:18,420 | 01:32:20,420 | 好不好 |
| 01:32:20,420 | 01:32:22,420 | 謝謝委員的指教,謝謝 |
| 01:32:22,420 | 01:32:24,420 | 接著我們就來聽聽 |
| 01:32:24,420 | 01:32:26,420 | 林淡化委員 |
| 01:32:30,420 | 01:32:32,420 | 好,有請 |
| 01:32:32,420 | 01:32:34,420 | 公務署署長彭英偉彭署長 |
| 01:32:36,420 | 01:32:38,420 | 彭署長 |
| 01:32:42,420 | 01:32:44,420 | 是,委員好 |
| 01:32:44,420 | 01:32:46,420 | 好,署長,在將近三個月前 |
| 01:32:46,420 | 01:32:48,420 | 我針對EZ一位有第一次的質詢 |
| 01:32:48,420 | 01:32:50,420 | 今天我在進行第二次的質詢 |
| 01:32:52,420 | 01:32:54,420 | 那這個 |
| 01:32:54,420 | 01:32:56,420 | 在這個EZ一位當中 |
| 01:32:56,420 | 01:32:58,420 | 人民是不是有這個 |
| 01:32:58,420 | 01:33:00,420 | 預先透過 |
| 01:33:00,420 | 01:33:02,420 | 跨境網路 |
| 01:33:02,420 | 01:33:04,420 | 跨境這個 |
| 01:33:04,420 | 01:33:06,420 | 採購的時候 |
| 01:33:06,420 | 01:33:08,420 | 網購的時候 |
| 01:33:08,420 | 01:33:10,420 | 我們的EZ一位能不能做到 |
| 01:33:10,420 | 01:33:12,420 | 事先的告知 |
| 01:33:12,420 | 01:33:14,420 | 我買了這個東西 |
| 01:33:14,420 | 01:33:16,420 | 是不是會 |
| 01:33:16,420 | 01:33:18,420 | 觸及相關的 |
| 01:33:18,420 | 01:33:20,420 | 這個簡易的法規 |
| 01:33:20,420 | 01:33:22,420 | 或者是相關衛福部當中的 |
| 01:33:22,420 | 01:33:24,420 | 衛生的相關的法規 |
| 01:33:24,420 | 01:33:26,420 | 這個我希望能夠有一個 |
| 01:33:26,420 | 01:33:28,420 | 事先知情 |
| 01:33:28,420 | 01:33:30,420 | 那我不知道你們現在有的進度如何 |
| 01:33:30,420 | 01:33:32,420 | 跟委員回報 |
| 01:33:32,420 | 01:33:34,420 | 上次委員質詢之後 |
| 01:33:34,420 | 01:33:36,420 | 我們公務署立即做兩件事情 |
| 01:33:36,420 | 01:33:38,420 | 第一個,因為在邊境管制上 |
| 01:33:38,420 | 01:33:40,420 | 有一些輸出規定 |
| 01:33:40,420 | 01:33:42,420 | 或者是說要許可的 |
| 01:33:42,420 | 01:33:44,420 | 這些都是屬於邊境 |
| 01:33:44,420 | 01:33:46,420 | 其他的一個輸出主管機關 |
| 01:33:46,420 | 01:33:48,420 | 我們所謂的簽審機關 |
| 01:33:48,420 | 01:33:50,420 | 他的規定我們立即跟這些機關聯繫 |
| 01:33:50,420 | 01:33:52,420 | 請他們 |
| 01:33:52,420 | 01:33:54,420 | 照委員的意思說 |
| 01:33:54,420 | 01:33:56,420 | 需要提醒民眾的這些項目 |
| 01:33:56,420 | 01:33:58,420 | 都跟我們講 |
| 01:33:58,420 | 01:34:00,420 | 第二件事情我們做了就跟 |
| 01:34:00,420 | 01:34:02,420 | 光茂網路公司這邊來聯繫 |
| 01:34:02,420 | 01:34:04,420 | 就是說我們日後要改 |
| 01:34:04,420 | 01:34:06,420 | 依委員的這個指示 |
| 01:34:06,420 | 01:34:08,420 | 我們要提醒民眾就是說你在買什麼 |
| 01:34:08,420 | 01:34:10,420 | 上網買什麼東西的時候 |
| 01:34:10,420 | 01:34:12,420 | 需要有一個提示的功能 |
| 01:34:12,420 | 01:34:14,420 | 這邊目前兩院我們都已經 |
| 01:34:14,420 | 01:34:16,420 | 在處理了 |
| 01:34:16,420 | 01:34:18,420 | 那邊有回覆我們大概兩百七十幾項的項目 |
| 01:34:18,420 | 01:34:20,420 | 那以後會提醒民眾 |
| 01:34:20,420 | 01:34:22,420 | 好,來 |
| 01:34:22,420 | 01:34:24,420 | 那你認為EZ為你們 |
| 01:34:24,420 | 01:34:26,420 | 給 |
| 01:34:26,420 | 01:34:28,420 | 這個光茂網路公司 |
| 01:34:28,420 | 01:34:30,420 | 到底EZ |
| 01:34:30,420 | 01:34:32,420 | 為這樣的通關便利程序 |
| 01:34:32,420 | 01:34:34,420 | 是不是屬於你 |
| 01:34:34,420 | 01:34:36,420 | 財政部下的 |
| 01:34:36,420 | 01:34:38,420 | 這個通關的程序 |
| 01:34:38,420 | 01:34:40,420 | 法定程序呢 |
| 01:34:40,420 | 01:34:42,420 | 各位委員回報 |
| 01:34:42,420 | 01:34:44,420 | 就是說我們的通關程序 |
| 01:34:44,420 | 01:34:46,420 | 指的是說跟海關遞送報單 |
| 01:34:46,420 | 01:34:48,420 | 等等 |
| 01:34:48,420 | 01:34:50,420 | 跟這個民眾 |
| 01:34:50,420 | 01:34:52,420 | 要不要委託報關行 |
| 01:34:52,420 | 01:34:54,420 | 去處理報關的事情 |
| 01:34:54,420 | 01:34:56,420 | 我們是一向認為說 |
| 01:34:56,420 | 01:34:58,420 | 就是說民眾跟 |
| 01:34:58,420 | 01:35:00,420 | 報關行之間的一個委任關係 |
| 01:35:00,420 | 01:35:02,420 | 並不是我們的通關 |
| 01:35:02,420 | 01:35:04,420 | 一個行為 |
| 01:35:04,420 | 01:35:06,420 | 所以你認為EZ為這件事情對 |
| 01:35:06,420 | 01:35:08,420 | 人民的收費 |
| 01:35:08,420 | 01:35:10,420 | 不管是對報關業者 |
| 01:35:10,420 | 01:35:12,420 | 對承攬業者以及他們這些業者 |
| 01:35:12,420 | 01:35:14,420 | 轉嫁給我所有的消費者 |
| 01:35:14,420 | 01:35:16,420 | 這些都是民間的跟你沒有關 |
| 01:35:16,420 | 01:35:18,420 | 好,那本席要質疑了 |
| 01:35:18,420 | 01:35:20,420 | 第一個你為了給EZ為 |
| 01:35:20,420 | 01:35:22,420 | 這樣的通關便利 |
| 01:35:22,420 | 01:35:24,420 | 你今年二月的時候 |
| 01:35:24,420 | 01:35:26,420 | 修改法令 |
| 01:35:26,420 | 01:35:28,420 | 讓他要求 |
| 01:35:28,420 | 01:35:30,420 | 大家這個要做這個網路的 |
| 01:35:30,420 | 01:35:32,420 | 這個網購的時候 |
| 01:35:32,420 | 01:35:34,420 | 一律要用這個EZ為 |
| 01:35:34,420 | 01:35:36,420 | 因為現在沒有按下EZ為委任確認 |
| 01:35:36,420 | 01:35:38,420 | 你的網購是不能進來的 |
| 01:35:38,420 | 01:35:40,420 | 誰民間 |
| 01:35:40,420 | 01:35:42,420 | 哪一個資訊業者 |
| 01:35:42,420 | 01:35:44,420 | 可以有這樣的權利 |
| 01:35:44,420 | 01:35:46,420 | 你政府給他一個附權了 |
| 01:35:46,420 | 01:35:48,420 | 那第二個 |
| 01:35:48,420 | 01:35:50,420 | 你們 |
| 01:35:50,420 | 01:35:52,420 | API的借接這件事情 |
| 01:35:52,420 | 01:35:54,420 | 誰有能力可以有API的借接 |
| 01:35:54,420 | 01:35:56,420 | 你們給官冒我公司 |
| 01:35:56,420 | 01:35:58,420 | 那你一般的民間的 |
| 01:35:58,420 | 01:36:00,420 | 資訊公司可不可以,沒有 |
| 01:36:00,420 | 01:36:02,420 | 你也沒給他這個權利 |
| 01:36:02,420 | 01:36:04,420 | 好,所以呢 |
| 01:36:04,420 | 01:36:06,420 | 既然我沒有按下 |
| 01:36:06,420 | 01:36:08,420 | 我就不能通關 |
| 01:36:08,420 | 01:36:10,420 | 這知識體大 |
| 01:36:10,420 | 01:36:12,420 | 是你們授權給他 |
| 01:36:12,420 | 01:36:14,420 | 所以EZ為你還認定他是 |
| 01:36:14,420 | 01:36:16,420 | 民間的 |
| 01:36:16,420 | 01:36:18,420 | 這我本席不能認同 |
| 01:36:18,420 | 01:36:20,420 | 那為什麼我不能認同的原因 |
| 01:36:20,420 | 01:36:22,420 | 因為他現在亂收費 |
| 01:36:22,420 | 01:36:24,420 | 他現在收了兩筆 |
| 01:36:24,420 | 01:36:26,420 | 雖然你說 |
| 01:36:26,420 | 01:36:28,420 | 這都不是消費者 |
| 01:36:28,420 | 01:36:30,420 | 可是你不管對報關業者 |
| 01:36:30,420 | 01:36:32,420 | 成南業者全部轉嫁給 |
| 01:36:32,420 | 01:36:34,420 | 這個我們的消費者 |
| 01:36:34,420 | 01:36:36,420 | 第一筆 |
| 01:36:36,420 | 01:36:38,420 | 我夠了這個物品之後 |
| 01:36:38,420 | 01:36:40,420 | 我就必須有一個確認費 |
| 01:36:40,420 | 01:36:42,420 | 每件就是3.5塊 |
| 01:36:42,420 | 01:36:44,420 | 你對於 |
| 01:36:44,420 | 01:36:46,420 | 你是對報關 |
| 01:36:46,420 | 01:36:48,420 | 你對成南業者 |
| 01:36:48,420 | 01:36:50,420 | 不管你對這個業者,我們就俗稱這個 |
| 01:36:50,420 | 01:36:52,420 | 這個報關的業者 |
| 01:36:52,420 | 01:36:54,420 | 3.5塊,每一件3.5塊 |
| 01:36:54,420 | 01:36:56,420 | 所以呢這個就是 |
| 01:36:56,420 | 01:36:58,420 | 轉嫁給我消費者 |
| 01:36:58,420 | 01:37:00,420 | 第二筆,現在的業者 |
| 01:37:00,420 | 01:37:02,420 | 你們也先溯源的確認 |
| 01:37:02,420 | 01:37:04,420 | 溯源的確認費 |
| 01:37:04,420 | 01:37:06,420 | 我希望在你發貨的時候 |
| 01:37:06,420 | 01:37:08,420 | 你這些什麼亞馬遜 |
| 01:37:08,420 | 01:37:10,420 | 或者這些國外的 |
| 01:37:10,420 | 01:37:12,420 | 這些網路平台 |
| 01:37:12,420 | 01:37:14,420 | 其實你們都已經跟光茂 |
| 01:37:14,420 | 01:37:16,420 | 光茂 |
| 01:37:16,420 | 01:37:18,420 | 光茂網路公司都已經 |
| 01:37:18,420 | 01:37:20,420 | 接接了,API接接了喔 |
| 01:37:20,420 | 01:37:22,420 | 所以你們這些報稅的 |
| 01:37:22,420 | 01:37:24,420 | 業者或者成南業者 |
| 01:37:24,420 | 01:37:26,420 | 你如果要用這個 |
| 01:37:26,420 | 01:37:28,420 | 這種溯源的 |
| 01:37:28,420 | 01:37:30,420 | 這個服務費 |
| 01:37:30,420 | 01:37:32,420 | 你都要交給我 |
| 01:37:32,420 | 01:37:34,420 | 這個光茂公司 |
| 01:37:34,420 | 01:37:36,420 | 一個月2,500 |
| 01:37:36,420 | 01:37:38,420 | 之外,以後你要我確認的每一筆 |
| 01:37:38,420 | 01:37:40,420 | 我加收每一件 |
| 01:37:40,420 | 01:37:42,420 | 0.8塊 |
| 01:37:42,420 | 01:37:44,420 | 所以這是兩筆,一個叫做 |
| 01:37:44,420 | 01:37:46,420 | 確認費 |
| 01:37:46,420 | 01:37:48,420 | 我買了這一部分之後,你要跟這些 |
| 01:37:48,420 | 01:37:50,420 | 這個報稅的 |
| 01:37:50,420 | 01:37:52,420 | 相關的業者,要收 |
| 01:37:52,420 | 01:37:54,420 | 一筆確認費,再來 |
| 01:37:54,420 | 01:37:56,420 | API的溯源 |
| 01:37:56,420 | 01:37:58,420 | 的服務費,服務費又分 |
| 01:37:58,420 | 01:38:00,420 | 兩筆,一個每個月給他 |
| 01:38:00,420 | 01:38:02,420 | 光茂公司2,500,再來 |
| 01:38:02,420 | 01:38:04,420 | 確認費你只要有經過你這邊 |
| 01:38:04,420 | 01:38:06,420 | 服務的,再來加 |
| 01:38:06,420 | 01:38:08,420 | 一筆0.8塊 |
| 01:38:08,420 | 01:38:10,420 | 然後這些全部 |
| 01:38:10,420 | 01:38:12,420 | 都轉嫁給我所有消費者 |
| 01:38:12,420 | 01:38:14,420 | 你知道這量體多大嗎?署長你這應該知道 |
| 01:38:14,420 | 01:38:16,420 | 每一年 |
| 01:38:16,420 | 01:38:18,420 | 你就用今天2026 |
| 01:38:18,420 | 01:38:20,420 | 你給我2025年,我們透過 |
| 01:38:20,420 | 01:38:22,420 | 網購的,報關的 |
| 01:38:22,420 | 01:38:24,420 | 有多少件? |
| 01:38:24,420 | 01:38:26,420 | 目前 |
| 01:38:26,420 | 01:38:28,420 | 快遞貨物檢疫包單 |
| 01:38:28,420 | 01:38:30,420 | 6,000多萬件 |
| 01:38:30,420 | 01:38:32,420 | 那佔這個,就是說民眾 |
| 01:38:32,420 | 01:38:34,420 | 用EZ位來申報的 |
| 01:38:34,420 | 01:38:36,420 | 大概佔7成左右 |
| 01:38:36,420 | 01:38:38,420 | 6,000啊 |
| 01:38:38,420 | 01:38:40,420 | 你就6,000啊,甚至你有高達到 |
| 01:38:40,420 | 01:38:42,420 | 一年1億件 |
| 01:38:42,420 | 01:38:44,420 | 所以幾乎 |
| 01:38:44,420 | 01:38:46,420 | 不管你6,000萬,或是我了解的 |
| 01:38:46,420 | 01:38:48,420 | 甚至有高達到 |
| 01:38:48,420 | 01:38:50,420 | 1億的這樣一個紀錄,不管好 |
| 01:38:50,420 | 01:38:52,420 | 就用6,000萬就好 |
| 01:38:52,420 | 01:38:54,420 | 你知道這樣的轉嫁費用,剛才那筆 |
| 01:38:54,420 | 01:38:56,420 | 的轉嫁費用,幾乎每一個業者 |
| 01:38:56,420 | 01:38:58,420 | 不管是報關或每一個業者 |
| 01:38:58,420 | 01:39:00,420 | 大概 |
| 01:39:00,420 | 01:39:02,420 | 一個月都要送給 |
| 01:39:02,420 | 01:39:04,420 | 官貿公司,一台Benz |
| 01:39:04,420 | 01:39:06,420 | 那這些費用 |
| 01:39:06,420 | 01:39:08,420 | 都是誰繳?都是這些業者繳? |
| 01:39:08,420 | 01:39:10,420 | 不是,都是我所有的 |
| 01:39:10,420 | 01:39:12,420 | 消費者繳 |
| 01:39:12,420 | 01:39:14,420 | 只要你還認定官貿 |
| 01:39:14,420 | 01:39:16,420 | 網路公司,他的 |
| 01:39:16,420 | 01:39:18,420 | EZ位的業務 |
| 01:39:18,420 | 01:39:20,420 | 不是你官方法定的 |
| 01:39:20,420 | 01:39:22,420 | 這個通關嗎? |
| 01:39:22,420 | 01:39:24,420 | 署長 |
| 01:39:24,420 | 01:39:26,420 | 署長你還說不是嗎? |
| 01:39:26,420 | 01:39:28,420 | 這樣的費用,可以他這樣亂收嗎? |
| 01:39:30,420 | 01:39:32,420 | 所以我這邊強力要求 |
| 01:39:32,420 | 01:39:34,420 | 把這個權利收回政府 |
| 01:39:34,420 | 01:39:36,420 | 正式的編預算 |
| 01:39:36,420 | 01:39:38,420 | 你憑什麼把你這個 |
| 01:39:38,420 | 01:39:40,420 | 這個通關的便利 |
| 01:39:40,420 | 01:39:42,420 | 因為科技進步嘛 |
| 01:39:42,420 | 01:39:44,420 | 你外包給官貿公司 |
| 01:39:44,420 | 01:39:46,420 | 然後官貿公司可以這樣的 |
| 01:39:46,420 | 01:39:48,420 | 我的費用我自己 |
| 01:39:48,420 | 01:39:50,420 | 訂,全部交換給我業者 |
| 01:39:50,420 | 01:39:52,420 | 你還用公共,你還修法 |
| 01:39:52,420 | 01:39:54,420 | 你修的法可多了耶 |
| 01:39:54,420 | 01:39:56,420 | 你收了所有的通關 |
| 01:39:56,420 | 01:39:58,420 | 信證,你修了海關的 |
| 01:39:58,420 | 01:40:00,420 | 這個 |
| 01:40:00,420 | 01:40:02,420 | 航運的,空運的 |
| 01:40:02,420 | 01:40:04,420 | 兩個法的,這個快遞的 |
| 01:40:04,420 | 01:40:06,420 | 相關的辦法耶 |
| 01:40:06,420 | 01:40:08,420 | 還有海關稅者相關 |
| 01:40:08,420 | 01:40:10,420 | 你都修耶 |
| 01:40:10,420 | 01:40:12,420 | 這樣還不是公權力 |
| 01:40:12,420 | 01:40:14,420 | 所以署長你認不認同? |
| 01:40:14,420 | 01:40:16,420 | 跟委員回報 |
| 01:40:16,420 | 01:40:18,420 | 要不要檢討,收回我 |
| 01:40:18,420 | 01:40:20,420 | 官方自己做 |
| 01:40:20,420 | 01:40:22,420 | 你就算要委託給他 |
| 01:40:22,420 | 01:40:24,420 | 那也可以,是在官方委託 |
| 01:40:24,420 | 01:40:26,420 | 我正式的 |
| 01:40:26,420 | 01:40:28,420 | 跟他簽約,我正式的編預算 |
| 01:40:28,420 | 01:40:30,420 | 裡面的費用我當然要管 |
| 01:40:30,420 | 01:40:32,420 | 署長認不認同? |
| 01:40:32,420 | 01:40:34,420 | 要不要檢討? |
| 01:40:34,420 | 01:40:36,420 | 有關於說這十多年來 |
| 01:40:36,420 | 01:40:38,420 | 這樣採取了一個制度 |
| 01:40:38,420 | 01:40:40,420 | 要改當然 |
| 01:40:40,420 | 01:40:42,420 | 這是一個重大的政策的變更 |
| 01:40:42,420 | 01:40:44,420 | 如同剛剛委員提到 |
| 01:40:44,420 | 01:40:46,420 | 這還出色到 |
| 01:40:46,420 | 01:40:48,420 | 如何編類預算等等 |
| 01:40:48,420 | 01:40:50,420 | 白白的多收了 |
| 01:40:50,420 | 01:40:52,420 | 多繳了多少錢 |
| 01:40:52,420 | 01:40:54,420 | 十多年來我多繳了多少錢 |
| 01:40:54,420 | 01:40:56,420 | 給官方公司賺幣賺爆了 |
| 01:40:56,420 | 01:40:58,420 | 那我想 |
| 01:40:58,420 | 01:41:00,420 | 官方公司提出的 |
| 01:41:00,420 | 01:41:02,420 | 這些服務以及 |
| 01:41:02,420 | 01:41:04,420 | 加值的服務 |
| 01:41:04,420 | 01:41:06,420 | 這些收費,當然官方公司 |
| 01:41:06,420 | 01:41:08,420 | 那邊都有付出相當的 |
| 01:41:08,420 | 01:41:10,420 | 一個成本,的確如委員剛剛說的 |
| 01:41:10,420 | 01:41:12,420 | 目前有兩筆費用 |
| 01:41:12,420 | 01:41:14,420 | 一個是查詢的費用 |
| 01:41:14,420 | 01:41:16,420 | 一個是確認的費用 |
| 01:41:16,420 | 01:41:18,420 | 我們都有找官方公司以及 |
| 01:41:18,420 | 01:41:20,420 | 相關的業者來做談 |
| 01:41:20,420 | 01:41:22,420 | 業者也提出這個問題 |
| 01:41:22,420 | 01:41:24,420 | 請你檢討,我強力要求 |
| 01:41:24,420 | 01:41:26,420 | EZ會收為公有 |
| 01:41:26,420 | 01:41:28,420 | 那包括費用 |
| 01:41:28,420 | 01:41:30,420 | 包括溯源 |
| 01:41:30,420 | 01:41:32,420 | 我在還沒有發貨前 |
| 01:41:32,420 | 01:41:34,420 | 我訂了一個包裹,我在 |
| 01:41:34,420 | 01:41:36,420 | 這個網路平台的時候 |
| 01:41:36,420 | 01:41:38,420 | 他要發貨之前我就先確認 |
| 01:41:38,420 | 01:41:40,420 | 因為這個在API |
| 01:41:40,420 | 01:41:42,420 | 官方公司早就有了 |
| 01:41:42,420 | 01:41:44,420 | 只是你還把這個費用轉嫁給 |
| 01:41:44,420 | 01:41:46,420 | 我們消費者 |
| 01:41:46,420 | 01:41:48,420 | 那多久能夠提出來 |
| 01:41:48,420 | 01:41:50,420 | 官方公司唯一可以做的 |
| 01:41:50,420 | 01:41:52,420 | 只要是通關網路公司 |
| 01:41:52,420 | 01:41:54,420 | 提出將EZ |
| 01:41:54,420 | 01:41:56,420 | 會通關系統 |
| 01:41:56,420 | 01:41:58,420 | 回歸公共基礎建設 |
| 01:41:58,420 | 01:42:00,420 | 這樣的一個 |
| 01:42:00,420 | 01:42:02,420 | 這個檢討 |
| 01:42:02,420 | 01:42:04,420 | 一個月內提供出來好嗎 |
| 01:42:04,420 | 01:42:06,420 | 這是重大政策 |
| 01:42:06,420 | 01:42:08,420 | 你要多久,當然重大政策 |
| 01:42:08,420 | 01:42:10,420 | 要不然我幹嘛站在這邊執行 |
| 01:42:10,420 | 01:42:12,420 | 我全台灣所有網購 |
| 01:42:12,420 | 01:42:14,420 | 你一個月六千萬件 |
| 01:42:14,420 | 01:42:16,420 | 六千萬 |
| 01:42:16,420 | 01:42:18,420 | 因為是重大政策變更 |
| 01:42:18,420 | 01:42:20,420 | 黃金十年嗎 |
| 01:42:20,420 | 01:42:22,420 | 好,三個月 |
| 01:42:22,420 | 01:42:24,420 | 那我再講一個案例 |
| 01:42:24,420 | 01:42:26,420 | 這紮紮實實在我的辦公室陳情的 |
| 01:42:26,420 | 01:42:28,420 | 因為他買了一個 |
| 01:42:28,420 | 01:42:30,420 | 在網路上 |
| 01:42:30,420 | 01:42:32,420 | 買了一個什麼 |
| 01:42:32,420 | 01:42:34,420 | 這個什麼 |
| 01:42:34,420 | 01:42:36,420 | 洗牙的一個鑽石 |
| 01:42:36,420 | 01:42:38,420 | 的一個零件 |
| 01:42:38,420 | 01:42:40,420 | 他本來要買這個洗牙機器 |
| 01:42:40,420 | 01:42:42,420 | 但他按錯了 |
| 01:42:42,420 | 01:42:44,420 | 沒有關係,報官進來之後 |
| 01:42:44,420 | 01:42:46,420 | 並沒有顯示他會涉及 |
| 01:42:46,420 | 01:42:48,420 | 相關的醫療器材法規 |
| 01:42:48,420 | 01:42:50,420 | 所以他進來了 |
| 01:42:50,420 | 01:42:52,420 | 然後這個媽媽 |
| 01:42:52,420 | 01:42:54,420 | 突然接到說 |
| 01:42:54,420 | 01:42:56,420 | 我這個違反醫療相關器材法規 |
| 01:42:56,420 | 01:42:58,420 | 所以他現在 |
| 01:42:58,420 | 01:43:00,420 | 經過了快三個月 |
| 01:43:00,420 | 01:43:02,420 | 我剛才來的時候我還跟他打個電話 |
| 01:43:02,420 | 01:43:04,420 | 講的話哭了 |
| 01:43:04,420 | 01:43:06,420 | 他說這個 |
| 01:43:06,420 | 01:43:08,420 | 這個報官還跟他講得好嚴重 |
| 01:43:08,420 | 01:43:10,420 | 我才誤買了一個 |
| 01:43:10,420 | 01:43:12,420 | 這個刷牙機誤買成什麼 |
| 01:43:12,420 | 01:43:14,420 | 鑽石的什麼的 |
| 01:43:14,420 | 01:43:16,420 | 鑽石這個零件的配件 |
| 01:43:16,420 | 01:43:18,420 | 就對了 |
| 01:43:18,420 | 01:43:20,420 | 我竟然要被罰六萬到 |
| 01:43:20,420 | 01:43:22,420 | 一百萬以下 |
| 01:43:22,420 | 01:43:24,420 | 他才花多少錢八千塊 |
| 01:43:24,420 | 01:43:26,420 | 然後還跟他講說你這個 |
| 01:43:26,420 | 01:43:28,420 | 因為違反你沒有拿出你的 |
| 01:43:28,420 | 01:43:30,420 | 醫療器材的許可證 |
| 01:43:30,420 | 01:43:32,420 | 所以你會有減掉 |
| 01:43:32,420 | 01:43:34,420 | 可能還有刑罰 |
| 01:43:34,420 | 01:43:36,420 | 他整個人都快崩潰了 |
| 01:43:36,420 | 01:43:38,420 | 所以你那種法規的 |
| 01:43:38,420 | 01:43:40,420 | 那種預知 |
| 01:43:40,420 | 01:43:42,420 | 包括這個收費的轉嫁給我民眾 |
| 01:43:42,420 | 01:43:44,420 | 是極端不合理 |
| 01:43:44,420 | 01:43:46,420 | 三個月希望能夠 |
| 01:43:46,420 | 01:43:48,420 | 希望能夠做一個調整 |
| 01:43:48,420 | 01:43:50,420 | 謝謝 |
| 01:44:06,420 | 01:44:08,420 | 謝謝主席 |
| 01:44:08,420 | 01:44:10,420 | 有請莊部長 |
| 01:44:10,420 | 01:44:12,420 | 還有經濟部產發署的副署長 |
| 01:44:12,420 | 01:44:14,420 | 請莊部長 |
| 01:44:14,420 | 01:44:16,420 | 請周副署長 |
| 01:44:18,420 | 01:44:20,420 | 委員好 |
| 01:44:20,420 | 01:44:21,420 | 好 |
| 01:44:21,420 | 01:44:23,420 | 部長好喔 |
| 01:44:23,420 | 01:44:25,420 | 未來我們看到台北的 |
| 01:44:25,420 | 01:44:26,420 | 這個ART呢 |
| 01:44:26,420 | 01:44:28,420 | 關稅協定如果上路的話 |
| 01:44:28,420 | 01:44:30,420 | 每次的汽車跟零組件關稅 |
| 01:44:30,420 | 01:44:32,420 | 勢必要面臨的調整 |
| 01:44:32,420 | 01:44:34,420 | 那也是開啟了今天 |
| 01:44:34,420 | 01:44:36,420 | 今天再有這個討論 |
| 01:44:36,420 | 01:44:38,420 | 那我們以整個車子的 |
| 01:44:38,420 | 01:44:40,420 | 關稅來看的時候 |
| 01:44:40,420 | 01:44:42,420 | 看到的一個數據 |
| 01:44:42,420 | 01:44:44,420 | 是這樣子 |
| 01:44:44,420 | 01:44:46,420 | 在歐盟是10% |
| 01:44:46,420 | 01:44:48,420 | 韓國是8% |
| 01:44:48,420 | 01:44:50,420 | 日本是0% |
| 01:44:50,420 | 01:44:52,420 | 台灣還維持17.5% |
| 01:44:52,420 | 01:44:54,420 | 的關稅 |
| 01:44:54,420 | 01:44:56,420 | 那我們可以看到 |
| 01:44:56,420 | 01:44:58,420 | 剛才財政部已經講了 |
| 01:44:58,420 | 01:45:00,420 | 報告當中也寫了 |
| 01:45:00,420 | 01:45:02,420 | 最重要財政部反對 |
| 01:45:02,420 | 01:45:04,420 | 關稅的降低 |
| 01:45:04,420 | 01:45:06,420 | 最重要是原因是因為 |
| 01:45:06,420 | 01:45:08,420 | 每年會有 |
| 01:45:08,420 | 01:45:10,420 | 經濟部裡面呈現說 |
| 01:45:10,420 | 01:45:12,420 | 每年會有五六百億的稅損 |
| 01:45:12,420 | 01:45:14,420 | 還會把國產車的市長 |
| 01:45:14,420 | 01:45:16,420 | 會影響到8萬人的就業 |
| 01:45:18,420 | 01:45:20,420 | 可是我們也看到 |
| 01:45:20,420 | 01:45:22,420 | 今年的經濟部長 |
| 01:45:22,420 | 01:45:24,420 | 在公民心部長 |
| 01:45:24,420 | 01:45:26,420 | 他也說到在因應ART |
| 01:45:26,420 | 01:45:28,420 | 如果要生效的話 |
| 01:45:28,420 | 01:45:30,420 | 提到說依照中研院的 |
| 01:45:30,420 | 01:45:32,420 | 這樣的一個估計 |
| 01:45:32,420 | 01:45:34,420 | 他說美車 |
| 01:45:34,420 | 01:45:36,420 | 如果降低為零的話 |
| 01:45:36,420 | 01:45:38,420 | 關稅降低為零 |
| 01:45:38,420 | 01:45:40,420 | 他最重要的產值對國內影響 |
| 01:45:40,420 | 01:45:42,420 | 只有1.94% |
| 01:45:42,420 | 01:45:44,420 | 金融是40億而已 |
| 01:45:44,420 | 01:45:46,420 | 還提到說 |
| 01:45:46,420 | 01:45:48,420 | 國內也有30億來做因應 |
| 01:45:48,420 | 01:45:50,420 | 他特別要強調一個是說 |
| 01:45:50,420 | 01:45:52,420 | 因為國外的一個 |
| 01:45:52,420 | 01:45:54,420 | 高價的車 |
| 01:45:54,420 | 01:45:56,420 | 跟平價的國產車 |
| 01:45:56,420 | 01:45:58,420 | 事實上是有區隔的 |
| 01:45:58,420 | 01:46:00,420 | 國內的出口 |
| 01:46:00,420 | 01:46:02,420 | 國產車出口還有競爭力 |
| 01:46:02,420 | 01:46:04,420 | 這邊就要提到的是 |
| 01:46:04,420 | 01:46:06,420 | 請產發署的副署長 |
| 01:46:06,420 | 01:46:08,420 | 來提供一下 |
| 01:46:08,420 | 01:46:10,420 | 我國的出口 |
| 01:46:10,420 | 01:46:12,420 | 去年的出口到外國的情況 |
| 01:46:12,420 | 01:46:14,420 | 是怎麼樣 |
| 01:46:14,420 | 01:46:16,420 | 國家跟它的產值是怎麼樣 |
| 01:46:16,420 | 01:46:18,420 | 是 跟委員報告 |
| 01:46:18,420 | 01:46:20,420 | 我們國內國產車廠的部分 |
| 01:46:20,420 | 01:46:22,420 | 還是以內銷為主 |
| 01:46:22,420 | 01:46:24,420 | 大概接近84% |
| 01:46:24,420 | 01:46:26,420 | 外銷的部分只有16% |
| 01:46:26,420 | 01:46:28,420 | 那以中東地區為主 |
| 01:46:28,420 | 01:46:30,420 | 我這邊看到的資料是 |
| 01:46:30,420 | 01:46:32,420 | 比如說是中東為主 |
| 01:46:32,420 | 01:46:34,420 | 他的外銷的出口 |
| 01:46:34,420 | 01:46:36,420 | 是可以達到說6億美元 |
| 01:46:36,420 | 01:46:38,420 | 他有這麼多 |
| 01:46:38,420 | 01:46:40,420 | 我們可以看到如果是6億美元的情況 |
| 01:46:40,420 | 01:46:42,420 | 他在17.5%的國內的 |
| 01:46:42,420 | 01:46:44,420 | 就是國際的進口關稅 |
| 01:46:46,420 | 01:46:48,420 | 進口的外國車的進口關稅 |
| 01:46:48,420 | 01:46:50,420 | 是17.5% |
| 01:46:50,420 | 01:46:52,420 | 我們都還有這個競爭力 |
| 01:46:52,420 | 01:46:54,420 | 就可以發現到一個問題是 |
| 01:46:54,420 | 01:46:56,420 | 這樣的一個情況之下 |
| 01:46:56,420 | 01:46:58,420 | 最高的稅收到5、6百億 |
| 01:46:58,420 | 01:47:00,420 | 其實最重要是墊高了 |
| 01:47:00,420 | 01:47:02,420 | 我們在進口車的買主 |
| 01:47:02,420 | 01:47:04,420 | 他們的一個購買的價格 |
| 01:47:06,420 | 01:47:08,420 | 這樣的情況之下還合理嗎 |
| 01:47:08,420 | 01:47:10,420 | 部長 |
| 01:47:12,420 | 01:47:14,420 | 委員 我們提到就是 |
| 01:47:14,420 | 01:47:16,420 | 關稅這個事情 |
| 01:47:16,420 | 01:47:18,420 | 第一個我要說就是17.5% |
| 01:47:18,420 | 01:47:20,420 | 是我們當時加入世貿組織的時候 |
| 01:47:20,420 | 01:47:22,420 | 的承諾訂定 |
| 01:47:22,420 | 01:47:24,420 | 第二個跟台美之間的談判 |
| 01:47:24,420 | 01:47:26,420 | 美車進口未來是零關稅 |
| 01:47:26,420 | 01:47:28,420 | 這是雙邊的一個貿易談判的結果 |
| 01:47:28,420 | 01:47:30,420 | 所以只適用在美車進口 |
| 01:47:30,420 | 01:47:32,420 | 至於其他國家進口的關稅 |
| 01:47:32,420 | 01:47:34,420 | 當然是用我們目前 |
| 01:47:34,420 | 01:47:36,420 | 對 但是部長 |
| 01:47:36,420 | 01:47:38,420 | 我要跟你講 |
| 01:47:38,420 | 01:47:40,420 | 如果要調降的話 |
| 01:47:40,420 | 01:47:42,420 | 這個部分除了稅損之外 |
| 01:47:42,420 | 01:47:44,420 | 還有要考慮國內汽車產業的一個發展 |
| 01:47:44,420 | 01:47:46,420 | 對 可是部長 |
| 01:47:46,420 | 01:47:48,420 | 請你注意聽 |
| 01:47:48,420 | 01:47:50,420 | 部長 我現在的問題是要跟你講 |
| 01:47:50,420 | 01:47:52,420 | 我要跟你講的是 |
| 01:47:52,420 | 01:47:54,420 | 17.5%的這個情況之下 |
| 01:47:54,420 | 01:47:56,420 | 我們國內市場還維持了 |
| 01:47:56,420 | 01:47:58,420 | 5乘1的一個市場率 |
| 01:47:58,420 | 01:48:00,420 | 這表示 |
| 01:48:00,420 | 01:48:02,420 | 我們在國內市場因為有高價車 |
| 01:48:02,420 | 01:48:04,420 | 跟低價車的一個區別 |
| 01:48:04,420 | 01:48:06,420 | 所以還是會有百分之51的這個差別 |
| 01:48:06,420 | 01:48:08,420 | 在這 |
| 01:48:08,420 | 01:48:10,420 | 而且是我們還有可以到國外的 |
| 01:48:10,420 | 01:48:12,420 | 這個出口的產值 |
| 01:48:12,420 | 01:48:14,420 | 可是問題是你這個五六百億的 |
| 01:48:14,420 | 01:48:16,420 | 稅收 |
| 01:48:16,420 | 01:48:18,420 | 基本上是以 |
| 01:48:18,420 | 01:48:20,420 | 轉嫁到我們的 |
| 01:48:20,420 | 01:48:22,420 | 進口車的買主身上 |
| 01:48:22,420 | 01:48:24,420 | 這才是最大的問題 |
| 01:48:24,420 | 01:48:26,420 | 所以說如果 |
| 01:48:26,420 | 01:48:28,420 | 適度的調降 |
| 01:48:28,420 | 01:48:30,420 | 是合理的 雖然有美國跟其他國家 |
| 01:48:30,420 | 01:48:32,420 | 因為最重要的競爭可能是在 |
| 01:48:32,420 | 01:48:34,420 | 美國車 日本車跟 |
| 01:48:34,420 | 01:48:36,420 | 美國車的競爭當中 他們自由行的另外 |
| 01:48:36,420 | 01:48:38,420 | 系統 可是本身的 |
| 01:48:38,420 | 01:48:40,420 | 高價車跟低價車 |
| 01:48:40,420 | 01:48:42,420 | 在國內產車 國內的車子 |
| 01:48:42,420 | 01:48:44,420 | 就有一個差異性 你如果 |
| 01:48:44,420 | 01:48:46,420 | 這樣子就是凸顯了 |
| 01:48:46,420 | 01:48:48,420 | 財政部就是把那五六百億的稅收 |
| 01:48:48,420 | 01:48:50,420 | 直接是轉嫁到 |
| 01:48:50,420 | 01:48:52,420 | 我們的消費者的 |
| 01:48:52,420 | 01:48:54,420 | 買進口車的人的身上 |
| 01:48:54,420 | 01:48:56,420 | 這樣子的話 你不考慮要去做 |
| 01:48:56,420 | 01:48:58,420 | 適度的調降嗎 才是最重要的問題 |
| 01:49:00,420 | 01:49:02,420 | 部長你的回答呢 |
| 01:49:02,420 | 01:49:04,420 | 我的回答就是跟如同剛剛一樣 |
| 01:49:04,420 | 01:49:06,420 | 除了稅損之外還要考慮國內汽車 |
| 01:49:06,420 | 01:49:08,420 | 產業的發展 |
| 01:49:08,420 | 01:49:10,420 | 還有我們的從業人口的生計 |
| 01:49:10,420 | 01:49:12,420 | 對 但是部長你剛才都沒有 |
| 01:49:12,420 | 01:49:14,420 | 聽到清楚是不是 |
| 01:49:14,420 | 01:49:16,420 | 沒有錯 但是問題是我剛才講的 |
| 01:49:16,420 | 01:49:18,420 | 經濟部這邊他有提出來了 |
| 01:49:18,420 | 01:49:20,420 | 部長他提出來的 |
| 01:49:20,420 | 01:49:22,420 | 以美國的部分來講的話 |
| 01:49:22,420 | 01:49:24,420 | 他們事實上的影響就 |
| 01:49:24,420 | 01:49:26,420 | 只有1.2%的影響率 |
| 01:49:26,420 | 01:49:28,420 | 然後呢 |
| 01:49:28,420 | 01:49:30,420 | 1.94%的汽車產值的 |
| 01:49:30,420 | 01:49:32,420 | 差異就只有影響到1.94% |
| 01:49:32,420 | 01:49:34,420 | 以美國這邊來講的 |
| 01:49:34,420 | 01:49:36,420 | 那其他部分就讓他們歐美跟 |
| 01:49:36,420 | 01:49:38,420 | 歐洲日本跟台灣 |
| 01:49:38,420 | 01:49:40,420 | 跟日本來做 |
| 01:49:40,420 | 01:49:42,420 | 歐洲日本跟美國車來做競爭 |
| 01:49:42,420 | 01:49:44,420 | 這部分我想 |
| 01:49:44,420 | 01:49:46,420 | 我想要凸顯這個問題就是 |
| 01:49:46,420 | 01:49:48,420 | 台灣的財政部這邊 |
| 01:49:48,420 | 01:49:50,420 | 並沒有真正把這樣的落實 |
| 01:49:50,420 | 01:49:52,420 | 去保護到我們 |
| 01:49:52,420 | 01:49:54,420 | 購買進口車的 |
| 01:49:54,420 | 01:49:56,420 | 購買進口車的 |
| 01:49:56,420 | 01:49:58,420 | 買主上面的他們這個利益 |
| 01:49:58,420 | 01:50:00,420 | 即使是在包括 |
| 01:50:00,420 | 01:50:02,420 | 國內的這個 |
| 01:50:02,420 | 01:50:04,420 | 這個業者他們都 |
| 01:50:04,420 | 01:50:06,420 | 其實他們現在都還有競爭力的 |
| 01:50:06,420 | 01:50:08,420 | 至少在出口外面是非常有競爭力的 |
| 01:50:08,420 | 01:50:10,420 | 我要提供的是這一點 |
| 01:50:10,420 | 01:50:12,420 | 還有這個部分我們可以看到的是 |
| 01:50:12,420 | 01:50:14,420 | 還有如果是要幫忙的 |
| 01:50:14,420 | 01:50:16,420 | 國內的國產車有競爭力的話 |
| 01:50:16,420 | 01:50:18,420 | 更重要的是要 |
| 01:50:18,420 | 01:50:20,420 | 讓他在 |
| 01:50:20,420 | 01:50:22,420 | 他的進口上面的關鍵零組件 |
| 01:50:22,420 | 01:50:24,420 | 應該要 |
| 01:50:24,420 | 01:50:26,420 | 讓他具備有 |
| 01:50:26,420 | 01:50:28,420 | 更好的一個效果 |
| 01:50:28,420 | 01:50:30,420 | 所以我們這次包括各個版本的 |
| 01:50:30,420 | 01:50:32,420 | 修法當中都提到的是說 |
| 01:50:32,420 | 01:50:34,420 | 關鍵零組件的一個 |
| 01:50:34,420 | 01:50:36,420 | 進口的稅率應該 |
| 01:50:36,420 | 01:50:38,420 | 是要降低的那財政部的態度是怎麼樣 |
| 01:50:40,420 | 01:50:42,420 | 國內沒有產制的零組件 |
| 01:50:42,420 | 01:50:44,420 | 他進口的話 |
| 01:50:44,420 | 01:50:46,420 | 這個關稅是不是要調降 |
| 01:50:46,420 | 01:50:48,420 | 目前經濟部正在做稅市支出評估的報告當中 |
| 01:50:48,420 | 01:50:50,420 | 經濟部是支持的嗎 |
| 01:50:50,420 | 01:50:52,420 | 還在這個過程當中 |
| 01:50:52,420 | 01:50:54,420 | 好經濟部是支持的嗎 |
| 01:50:56,420 | 01:50:58,420 | 跟委員報告我們目前正在做 |
| 01:50:58,420 | 01:51:00,420 | 稅市支出評估當中 |
| 01:51:00,420 | 01:51:02,420 | 我看到的是還包括的是 |
| 01:51:02,420 | 01:51:04,420 | 要等到最後的數字定案 |
| 01:51:04,420 | 01:51:06,420 | 但是那個數字定案我看到的是說 |
| 01:51:06,420 | 01:51:08,420 | 其實有些部分 |
| 01:51:08,420 | 01:51:10,420 | 有些稅損但是事實上 |
| 01:51:10,420 | 01:51:12,420 | 他還可能要增加的是 |
| 01:51:12,420 | 01:51:14,420 | 有這個效果在 |
| 01:51:14,420 | 01:51:16,420 | 如果他降低的時候包括的是他 |
| 01:51:16,420 | 01:51:18,420 | 有產值的部分會增加是吧 |
| 01:51:18,420 | 01:51:20,420 | 是如果無產制的關鍵零組件 |
| 01:51:20,420 | 01:51:22,420 | 進口的這個 |
| 01:51:22,420 | 01:51:24,420 | 關稅能夠調降的話對於整車 |
| 01:51:24,420 | 01:51:26,420 | 整車的這個 |
| 01:51:26,420 | 01:51:28,420 | 銷售會是提高 |
| 01:51:28,420 | 01:51:30,420 | 那對於國內相關的零組件 |
| 01:51:30,420 | 01:51:32,420 | 的產業也是會有一些正面的效益 |
| 01:51:32,420 | 01:51:34,420 | 對所以日本我知道你也要有程序 |
| 01:51:34,420 | 01:51:36,420 | 這樣出來沒有錯我們就看到 |
| 01:51:36,420 | 01:51:38,420 | 繼續把這程序刨完 |
| 01:51:38,420 | 01:51:40,420 | 另外第三個問題是針對說 |
| 01:51:40,420 | 01:51:42,420 | 重型的機車這部分 |
| 01:51:42,420 | 01:51:44,420 | 我們看到在 |
| 01:51:44,420 | 01:51:46,420 | 過去的這個大型重機的 |
| 01:51:46,420 | 01:51:48,420 | 這個銷售量暴跌 |
| 01:51:48,420 | 01:51:50,420 | 整體去拖累到大型機車的銷售量 |
| 01:51:50,420 | 01:51:52,420 | 到26.5% |
| 01:51:52,420 | 01:51:54,420 | 那台灣的這個高關稅 |
| 01:51:54,420 | 01:51:56,420 | 他阻擋了這個外國車廠 |
| 01:51:56,420 | 01:51:58,420 | 那這個尤其是他的 |
| 01:51:58,420 | 01:52:00,420 | 關稅是達到18到20% |
| 01:52:00,420 | 01:52:02,420 | 比進口的小客車 |
| 01:52:02,420 | 01:52:04,420 | 的17.5%還要高 |
| 01:52:04,420 | 01:52:06,420 | 還要再加上這個 |
| 01:52:06,420 | 01:52:08,420 | 貨物稅還有營稅稅等於說 |
| 01:52:08,420 | 01:52:10,420 | 就是我們平常的重型機車 |
| 01:52:10,420 | 01:52:12,420 | 的價格硬生生的 |
| 01:52:12,420 | 01:52:14,420 | 就比國外的這個價格 |
| 01:52:14,420 | 01:52:16,420 | 要貴到1.5倍到2倍 |
| 01:52:16,420 | 01:52:18,420 | 那在這個情況是不是因為國內 |
| 01:52:18,420 | 01:52:20,420 | 這部分根本就沒有這個 |
| 01:52:20,420 | 01:52:22,420 | 產業嘛那是不是 |
| 01:52:22,420 | 01:52:24,420 | 應該既然國內做不出來 |
| 01:52:24,420 | 01:52:26,420 | 這部分是不是應該把進口 |
| 01:52:26,420 | 01:52:28,420 | 大型重機的這個關稅 |
| 01:52:28,420 | 01:52:30,420 | 應該要把它降低不然你在保護誰 |
| 01:52:30,420 | 01:52:32,420 | 因為我們並沒有這樣的產業 |
| 01:52:34,420 | 01:52:36,420 | 跟委員報告我們國內還是有機車 |
| 01:52:36,420 | 01:52:38,420 | 業者在生產重型機車 |
| 01:52:38,420 | 01:52:40,420 | 那這個產值是多少 |
| 01:52:40,420 | 01:52:42,420 | 可是這是整車的部分 |
| 01:52:42,420 | 01:52:44,420 | 跟委員報告目前我手上 |
| 01:52:44,420 | 01:52:46,420 | 沒有數據我可以提供給您 |
| 01:52:46,420 | 01:52:48,420 | 好這部分我們看到的是 |
| 01:52:48,420 | 01:52:50,420 | 如果你本身的這個產值 |
| 01:52:50,420 | 01:52:52,420 | 如果不夠大的話你這個保護 |
| 01:52:52,420 | 01:52:54,420 | 的部分而且加上說那個關稅 |
| 01:52:54,420 | 01:52:56,420 | 的部分如果降低的話其實會形成 |
| 01:52:56,420 | 01:52:58,420 | 一種競爭的部分啦好那 |
| 01:52:58,420 | 01:53:00,420 | 這部分就請經濟部 |
| 01:53:00,420 | 01:53:02,420 | 就再給市會本期一個 |
| 01:53:02,420 | 01:53:04,420 | 本期一個報告好嗎 |
| 01:53:04,420 | 01:53:06,420 | 關稅的部分重型機車 |
| 01:53:06,420 | 01:53:08,420 | 還包括的是在剛才的前面 |
| 01:53:08,420 | 01:53:10,420 | 的關於 |
| 01:53:10,420 | 01:53:12,420 | 在汽車的部分 |
| 01:53:12,420 | 01:53:14,420 | 整車的部分到底到底影響 |
| 01:53:14,420 | 01:53:16,420 | 如果是開放的話因為 |
| 01:53:16,420 | 01:53:18,420 | 看起來經濟部進步長跟財政部還是 |
| 01:53:18,420 | 01:53:20,420 | 跟委員報告剛才 |
| 01:53:20,420 | 01:53:22,420 | 您所提到我們經濟部公 |
| 01:53:22,420 | 01:53:24,420 | 部長所提到的這個對美 |
| 01:53:24,420 | 01:53:26,420 | 整車進口關稅調降 |
| 01:53:26,420 | 01:53:28,420 | 以後這個美自車的影響是 |
| 01:53:28,420 | 01:53:30,420 | 不到2%嘛那是 |
| 01:53:30,420 | 01:53:32,420 | 最主要是因為我們只對於 |
| 01:53:32,420 | 01:53:34,420 | 美自車開放降稅 |
| 01:53:34,420 | 01:53:36,420 | 但是今天的這個 |
| 01:53:36,420 | 01:53:38,420 | 提案是對於全球 |
| 01:53:38,420 | 01:53:40,420 | 所有國家的進口的車 |
| 01:53:40,420 | 01:53:42,420 | 量都降稅所以這兩個情境 |
| 01:53:42,420 | 01:53:44,420 | 是不一樣的那也就是剛才 |
| 01:53:44,420 | 01:53:46,420 | 提到的對全球降稅的話 |
| 01:53:46,420 | 01:53:48,420 | 那剛會有提到這個 |
| 01:53:48,420 | 01:53:50,420 | 所有的整體的稅損會到 |
| 01:53:50,420 | 01:53:52,420 | 五六百億我們好 |
| 01:53:52,420 | 01:53:54,420 | 我剛才有提出來的就是希望 |
| 01:53:54,420 | 01:53:56,420 | 維持到17.5%的情況 |
| 01:53:56,420 | 01:53:58,420 | 之下本土的 |
| 01:53:58,420 | 01:54:00,420 | 國產車本身跟高價的 |
| 01:54:00,420 | 01:54:02,420 | 歐美車或是日本車 |
| 01:54:02,420 | 01:54:04,420 | 還是有些差異性的這個部分也跟 |
| 01:54:04,420 | 01:54:06,420 | 委員說明那其實進口車 |
| 01:54:06,420 | 01:54:08,420 | 其實現在不見得全部都高價 |
| 01:54:08,420 | 01:54:10,420 | 其實他們也有一些CC |
| 01:54:10,420 | 01:54:12,420 | 數比較小的一些進口車 |
| 01:54:12,420 | 01:54:14,420 | 那他的價格跟國內的國產車 |
| 01:54:14,420 | 01:54:16,420 | 價格其實也是相當的 |
| 01:54:16,420 | 01:54:18,420 | 所以在整個如果進口車的 |
| 01:54:18,420 | 01:54:20,420 | 這個關稅調降的話會 |
| 01:54:20,420 | 01:54:22,420 | 衝擊到國產車的一些相關的銷量 |
| 01:54:22,420 | 01:54:24,420 | 那你就把這個部分應該更多 |
| 01:54:24,420 | 01:54:26,420 | 因為現在看起來你的部分是在 |
| 01:54:26,420 | 01:54:28,420 | 比如說稅收還有包括是國內的部分 |
| 01:54:28,420 | 01:54:30,420 | 可是國內部分請你把高價車跟低價車 |
| 01:54:30,420 | 01:54:32,420 | 的差異性拉出來好嗎 |
| 01:54:32,420 | 01:54:34,420 | 讓本席可以知道讓全國的民眾知道 |
| 01:54:34,420 | 01:54:36,420 | 不然都以為說這17.5% |
| 01:54:36,420 | 01:54:38,420 | 包括還有其他貨物稅的部分 |
| 01:54:38,420 | 01:54:40,420 | 加起來的話高到的是 |
| 01:54:40,420 | 01:54:42,420 | 如果說本來一部車是 |
| 01:54:42,420 | 01:54:44,420 | 100塊錢的話至少到 |
| 01:54:44,420 | 01:54:46,420 | 160幾塊的這樣的一個價格差異 |
| 01:54:46,420 | 01:54:48,420 | 跟其他日本跟韓國這是 |
| 01:54:48,420 | 01:54:50,420 | 感覺到非常大的差異性而且 |
| 01:54:50,420 | 01:54:52,420 | 看起來的話如果你們有很充足 |
| 01:54:52,420 | 01:54:54,420 | 的理由是要去對於國內 |
| 01:54:54,420 | 01:54:56,420 | 國內的產業是做區別的待遇的話 |
| 01:54:56,420 | 01:54:58,420 | 那真的是對消費者是非常不公平的 |
| 01:54:58,420 | 01:55:00,420 | 好就是在提供本席知道 |
| 01:55:00,420 | 01:55:02,420 | 在提供說明 |
| 01:55:02,420 | 01:55:04,420 | 好謝謝 |
| 01:55:04,420 | 01:55:06,420 | 謝謝我們結束劉書兵委員的質詢 |
| 01:55:06,420 | 01:55:08,420 | 接下來請李坤城委員 |
| 01:55:18,420 | 01:55:20,420 | 謝謝主席我們請莊部長 |
| 01:55:20,420 | 01:55:22,420 | 請莊部長 |
| 01:55:26,420 | 01:55:28,420 | 委員好 |
| 01:55:28,420 | 01:55:30,420 | 部長好這個請教一下部長 |
| 01:55:30,420 | 01:55:32,420 | 在今年 |
| 01:55:32,420 | 01:55:34,420 | 二月份的時候 |
| 01:55:34,420 | 01:55:36,420 | 那我們的這個行政院 |
| 01:55:36,420 | 01:55:38,420 | 的副院長曾立軍他有提到說 |
| 01:55:38,420 | 01:55:40,420 | 我們已經跟美方達成 |
| 01:55:40,420 | 01:55:42,420 | 這個台美對等貿易協定 |
| 01:55:42,420 | 01:55:44,420 | 那時候 |
| 01:55:44,420 | 01:55:46,420 | 也講了這個未來 |
| 01:55:46,420 | 01:55:48,420 | 這個 |
| 01:55:48,420 | 01:55:50,420 | 這個 |
| 01:55:50,420 | 01:55:52,420 | 美規車的部分 |
| 01:55:52,420 | 01:55:54,420 | 美規的小客車 |
| 01:55:54,420 | 01:55:56,420 | 關稅會降到零 |
| 01:55:56,420 | 01:55:58,420 | 那保留中小貨車為 |
| 01:55:58,420 | 01:56:00,420 | 時一定的關稅以確保軍工韌性 |
| 01:56:00,420 | 01:56:02,420 | 所以在二月份的時候就有提到了 |
| 01:56:02,420 | 01:56:04,420 | 這個未來 |
| 01:56:04,420 | 01:56:06,420 | 美規的小客車關稅會降到零 |
| 01:56:06,420 | 01:56:08,420 | 那可是他有提到 |
| 01:56:08,420 | 01:56:10,420 | 因為這個還要等到 |
| 01:56:10,420 | 01:56:12,420 | 這個 |
| 01:56:12,420 | 01:56:14,420 | 美方完成301調查 |
| 01:56:14,420 | 01:56:16,420 | 因為後來這個對等關稅就 |
| 01:56:16,420 | 01:56:18,420 | 已經是一個問題了 |
| 01:56:18,420 | 01:56:20,420 | 然後呢到五月份的時候 |
| 01:56:20,420 | 01:56:22,420 | 副院長又講到說 |
| 01:56:22,420 | 01:56:24,420 | 這個要等到美方完成301的調查 |
| 01:56:24,420 | 01:56:26,420 | 然後確定說這個 |
| 01:56:26,420 | 01:56:28,420 | 那時候講說大概七月底 |
| 01:56:28,420 | 01:56:30,420 | 那台美的這個ART確定 |
| 01:56:30,420 | 01:56:32,420 | 取得優惠待遇之後 |
| 01:56:32,420 | 01:56:34,420 | 那連同MOU送國會 |
| 01:56:34,420 | 01:56:36,420 | 審查 |
| 01:56:36,420 | 01:56:38,420 | 然後那時候呢這個汽車 |
| 01:56:38,420 | 01:56:40,420 | 美國進口汽車就零關稅 |
| 01:56:40,420 | 01:56:42,420 | 在ART生效後 |
| 01:56:42,420 | 01:56:44,420 | 然後配合相關的修法 |
| 01:56:44,420 | 01:56:46,420 | 那這邊講海關稅責的法 |
| 01:56:46,420 | 01:56:48,420 | 相關的法也有可能會到零 |
| 01:56:48,420 | 01:56:50,420 | 然後呢這個是到七月底 |
| 01:56:50,420 | 01:56:52,420 | 然後這個在 |
| 01:56:52,420 | 01:56:54,420 | 前幾天就上個禮拜 |
| 01:56:54,420 | 01:56:56,420 | 這是7月24號 |
| 01:56:56,420 | 01:56:58,420 | 那這個美國 |
| 01:56:58,420 | 01:57:00,420 | 按照這個301條款 |
| 01:57:00,420 | 01:57:02,420 | 他也調查出來了 |
| 01:57:02,420 | 01:57:04,420 | 那台灣是獲得10% |
| 01:57:04,420 | 01:57:06,420 | 而且不疊加 |
| 01:57:06,420 | 01:57:08,420 | MFN |
| 01:57:08,420 | 01:57:10,420 | 台灣享有豁免的清單 |
| 01:57:10,420 | 01:57:12,420 | 那在這個豁免清單裡面 |
| 01:57:12,420 | 01:57:14,420 | 那因為我們在他們調查當中 |
| 01:57:16,420 | 01:57:18,420 | 有拿到了10% |
| 01:57:18,420 | 01:57:20,420 | 而且不疊加 |
| 01:57:20,420 | 01:57:22,420 | MFN的優惠稅率 |
| 01:57:22,420 | 01:57:24,420 | 這個我們台灣的汽車零組件 |
| 01:57:24,420 | 01:57:26,420 | 工具機等這些傳統產業 |
| 01:57:26,420 | 01:57:28,420 | 這些稅率是比日本韓國都還要好 |
| 01:57:28,420 | 01:57:30,420 | 那既然 |
| 01:57:30,420 | 01:57:32,420 | 這個談判是這樣子 |
| 01:57:32,420 | 01:57:34,420 | 這個有給就有拿 |
| 01:57:34,420 | 01:57:36,420 | 那所以呢我們 |
| 01:57:36,420 | 01:57:38,420 | 拿到了這個10%的 |
| 01:57:38,420 | 01:57:40,420 | 優惠的匯率 |
| 01:57:40,420 | 01:57:42,420 | 那這個汽車零組件 |
| 01:57:42,420 | 01:57:44,420 | 工具機等等之類的 |
| 01:57:44,420 | 01:57:46,420 | 那是不是呢我們也要有一個對等的承諾 |
| 01:57:46,420 | 01:57:48,420 | 至少在這個汽車的零組件 |
| 01:57:48,420 | 01:57:50,420 | 的部分的話 |
| 01:57:50,420 | 01:57:52,420 | 我們的關稅也要把它調成零 |
| 01:57:54,420 | 01:57:56,420 | 委員我想這個部分是不是 |
| 01:57:56,420 | 01:57:58,420 | 我們分開來談 |
| 01:57:58,420 | 01:58:00,420 | 就是說我們跟美方之間 |
| 01:58:00,420 | 01:58:02,420 | 簽的ART是我們雙邊之間的 |
| 01:58:02,420 | 01:58:04,420 | 談判的一個協定 |
| 01:58:04,420 | 01:58:06,420 | 那當時的ART他是在 |
| 01:58:06,420 | 01:58:08,420 | 在美方的這個所謂的 |
| 01:58:08,420 | 01:58:10,420 | 一個貿易法的一個法源 |
| 01:58:10,420 | 01:58:12,420 | 一下那這個就所謂的國際緊急 |
| 01:58:12,420 | 01:58:14,420 | 經濟權利法但是ARIPA這個部分 |
| 01:58:14,420 | 01:58:16,420 | 在最高法院他們已經判定 |
| 01:58:16,420 | 01:58:18,420 | 就是說是有違 |
| 01:58:18,420 | 01:58:20,420 | 不能做這個工具那所以後來就開始 |
| 01:58:20,420 | 01:58:22,420 | 用122條款 |
| 01:58:22,420 | 01:58:24,420 | 課10%的稅那12條款的 |
| 01:58:24,420 | 01:58:26,420 | 臨時的課徵稅在7月24號 |
| 01:58:26,420 | 01:58:28,420 | 戒指以後那接下來 |
| 01:58:28,420 | 01:58:30,420 | 就是301調查出來了 |
| 01:58:30,420 | 01:58:32,420 | 也就是所謂的禁止強迫勞動 |
| 01:58:32,420 | 01:58:34,420 | 產品進口這個調查出來 |
| 01:58:34,420 | 01:58:36,420 | 台灣是獲得了10%的稅率 |
| 01:58:36,420 | 01:58:38,420 | 而且不停加 |
| 01:58:38,420 | 01:58:40,420 | 汽車零組件嘛對不對 |
| 01:58:40,420 | 01:58:42,420 | 汽車零組件這個細項的部分 |
| 01:58:42,420 | 01:58:44,420 | 有沒有含汽車零組件 |
| 01:58:44,420 | 01:58:46,420 | 這是我們出口的部分 |
| 01:58:46,420 | 01:58:48,420 | 有啊 |
| 01:58:48,420 | 01:58:50,420 | 另外我們還有一些兩千多項的產品 |
| 01:58:50,420 | 01:58:52,420 | 的豁免這個部分所謂的 |
| 01:58:52,420 | 01:58:54,420 | 10%那是蘇美到美國去 |
| 01:58:54,420 | 01:58:56,420 | 有含汽車零組件嘛對不對 |
| 01:58:56,420 | 01:58:58,420 | 有沒有10%的部分 |
| 01:58:58,420 | 01:59:00,420 | 項目 |
| 01:59:00,420 | 01:59:02,420 | 經濟部 |
| 01:59:02,420 | 01:59:04,420 | 有沒有含就是我們蘇美的這個部分 |
| 01:59:04,420 | 01:59:06,420 | 汽車零組件 |
| 01:59:06,420 | 01:59:08,420 | 蘇美的汽車零組件 |
| 01:59:08,420 | 01:59:10,420 | 是適用在232條款裡面 |
| 01:59:10,420 | 01:59:12,420 | 目前是15%不疊加 |
| 01:59:12,420 | 01:59:14,420 | 15%不疊加 |
| 01:59:14,420 | 01:59:16,420 | 那所以這個不是10% |
| 01:59:16,420 | 01:59:18,420 | 10%是 |
| 01:59:18,420 | 01:59:20,420 | 不是不在這個適用範圍內 |
| 01:59:20,420 | 01:59:22,420 | 所以我們目前還是15% |
| 01:59:22,420 | 01:59:24,420 | 對15%不疊加 |
| 01:59:24,420 | 01:59:26,420 | 不是10% |
| 01:59:26,420 | 01:59:28,420 | 不疊加不是 |
| 01:59:28,420 | 01:59:30,420 | 所以這是10%裡面沒有含這個 |
| 01:59:30,420 | 01:59:32,420 | 汽車零組件沒有我們汽車零組件 |
| 01:59:32,420 | 01:59:34,420 | 是維持在15% |
| 01:59:34,420 | 01:59:36,420 | 232條款以外的都不適用 |
| 01:59:36,420 | 01:59:38,420 | 那所以汽車零組件 |
| 01:59:38,420 | 01:59:40,420 | 的關稅就是15%了 |
| 01:59:40,420 | 01:59:42,420 | 然後呢這個關稅15% |
| 01:59:42,420 | 01:59:44,420 | 還會再做任何的改變嗎 |
| 01:59:44,420 | 01:59:46,420 | 會跟這個美國的301的調查 |
| 01:59:46,420 | 01:59:48,420 | 會有任何的改變嗎 |
| 01:59:48,420 | 01:59:50,420 | 我的理解應該就是在 |
| 01:59:50,420 | 01:59:52,420 | 232的範疇內 |
| 01:59:52,420 | 01:59:54,420 | 那其實那就更簡單啦 |
| 01:59:54,420 | 01:59:56,420 | 就是因為本來要等到這個301的 |
| 01:59:56,420 | 01:59:58,420 | 調查因為他有分 |
| 01:59:58,420 | 02:00:00,420 | 是屬於禁止強迫勞動的 |
| 02:00:00,420 | 02:00:02,420 | 還有一個呢 |
| 02:00:02,420 | 02:00:04,420 | 另外一個還有這個 |
| 02:00:04,420 | 02:00:06,420 | 產能過剩 |
| 02:00:06,420 | 02:00:08,420 | 這兩個確定之後 |
| 02:00:08,420 | 02:00:10,420 | 我本來以為說這兩個確定之後 |
| 02:00:10,420 | 02:00:12,420 | 最後才確定說 |
| 02:00:12,420 | 02:00:14,420 | 我們蘇美這個汽車零組件的 |
| 02:00:14,420 | 02:00:16,420 | 這個關稅是不是就是在 |
| 02:00:16,420 | 02:00:18,420 | 這個10%結果現在就是 |
| 02:00:18,420 | 02:00:20,420 | 用232的這個條款就是 |
| 02:00:20,420 | 02:00:22,420 | 15%就對了那更簡單啦 |
| 02:00:22,420 | 02:00:24,420 | 那我請教部長 |
| 02:00:24,420 | 02:00:26,420 | 那所以確定這個 |
| 02:00:26,420 | 02:00:28,420 | 拿到15%其實 |
| 02:00:28,420 | 02:00:30,420 | 一樣啊在臺灣就是說我們 |
| 02:00:30,420 | 02:00:32,420 | 拿到15% |
| 02:00:32,420 | 02:00:34,420 | 那我們一樣相對的對等的 |
| 02:00:34,420 | 02:00:36,420 | 我們要給這個 |
| 02:00:36,420 | 02:00:38,420 | 美國進來的這一些 |
| 02:00:38,420 | 02:00:40,420 | 汽車零組件 |
| 02:00:40,420 | 02:00:42,420 | 我們是不是也要相對 |
| 02:00:42,420 | 02:00:44,420 | 要把它減少要降到零 |
| 02:00:44,420 | 02:00:46,420 | 對那當然這個最後就要 |
| 02:00:46,420 | 02:00:48,420 | 到ART生效 |
| 02:00:48,420 | 02:00:50,420 | 對啊就是ART對當然最後要 |
| 02:00:50,420 | 02:00:52,420 | 送到立法院嘛對不對 |
| 02:00:52,420 | 02:00:54,420 | 所以我們拿到 |
| 02:00:54,420 | 02:00:56,420 | 15%輸到美國的 |
| 02:00:56,420 | 02:00:58,420 | 美國輸進來的汽車零組件 |
| 02:00:58,420 | 02:01:00,420 | 最後也是到零嘛對不對 |
| 02:01:00,420 | 02:01:02,420 | 目前談判的結果是這樣子 |
| 02:01:02,420 | 02:01:04,420 | 對啊那所以 |
| 02:01:04,420 | 02:01:06,420 | 我們今天在談這個 |
| 02:01:06,420 | 02:01:08,420 | 海關稅者進口稅者 |
| 02:01:08,420 | 02:01:10,420 | 最後有關汽車零組件 |
| 02:01:10,420 | 02:01:12,420 | 就是在到零了嘛 |
| 02:01:12,420 | 02:01:14,420 | 這個修的海關進口稅者 |
| 02:01:14,420 | 02:01:16,420 | 各委員所提的版本是 |
| 02:01:16,420 | 02:01:18,420 | 全面性的講 |
| 02:01:18,420 | 02:01:20,420 | 跟美國我們是雙邊的 |
| 02:01:20,420 | 02:01:22,420 | 是針對美國進口的 |
| 02:01:22,420 | 02:01:24,420 | 針對美國進口的這些零組件 |
| 02:01:24,420 | 02:01:26,420 | 對不對 |
| 02:01:26,420 | 02:01:28,420 | 最後會降到零了嘛 |
| 02:01:28,420 | 02:01:30,420 | 最後就是ART生效以後 |
| 02:01:30,420 | 02:01:32,420 | 我們隨同配合修正海關進口稅者 |
| 02:01:32,420 | 02:01:34,420 | 要這樣子 |
| 02:01:34,420 | 02:01:36,420 | 那今天這個委員所提的這個版本 |
| 02:01:36,420 | 02:01:38,420 | 並不是根據ART來的 |
| 02:01:38,420 | 02:01:40,420 | 我先不管委員的版本 |
| 02:01:40,420 | 02:01:42,420 | 我是說因為現在是台美在談判 |
| 02:01:42,420 | 02:01:44,420 | 那我們跟他們 |
| 02:01:44,420 | 02:01:46,420 | 談判是對等的互惠的 |
| 02:01:46,420 | 02:01:48,420 | 那所以呢我們拿到15%過去 |
| 02:01:48,420 | 02:01:50,420 | 然後他們進來是0%就對了 |
| 02:01:50,420 | 02:01:52,420 | 談判的那個目前ART |
| 02:01:52,420 | 02:01:54,420 | 裡面是這樣的情況 |
| 02:01:54,420 | 02:01:56,420 | 所以這個有關汽車零組件 |
| 02:01:56,420 | 02:01:58,420 | 最後 |
| 02:01:58,420 | 02:02:00,420 | 如果ART |
| 02:02:00,420 | 02:02:02,420 | MOU立法院都同意了生效了 |
| 02:02:02,420 | 02:02:04,420 | 最後關稅就會降到零了嘛 |
| 02:02:04,420 | 02:02:06,420 | 那是指美國進口的 |
| 02:02:06,420 | 02:02:08,420 | 是指美國進口的 |
| 02:02:08,420 | 02:02:10,420 | 因為我們現在是跟美國談嘛 |
| 02:02:10,420 | 02:02:12,420 | 我現在都講美國的啦 |
| 02:02:12,420 | 02:02:14,420 | 講到美國車關稅 |
| 02:02:14,420 | 02:02:16,420 | 要降到零我也是講美國車的 |
| 02:02:16,420 | 02:02:18,420 | 我也是講美國製造的車 |
| 02:02:18,420 | 02:02:20,420 | 那這個有確定了嘛 |
| 02:02:20,420 | 02:02:22,420 | 那我接下來就問 |
| 02:02:22,420 | 02:02:24,420 | 那現在就是大家更關心 |
| 02:02:24,420 | 02:02:26,420 | 就是美國車 |
| 02:02:26,420 | 02:02:28,420 | 美國車進來 |
| 02:02:28,420 | 02:02:30,420 | 最後關稅失稅也降到零 |
| 02:02:30,420 | 02:02:32,420 | 在ART談判是這樣子 |
| 02:02:32,420 | 02:02:34,420 | 是對美國車對 |
| 02:02:34,420 | 02:02:36,420 | 小客車 |
| 02:02:36,420 | 02:02:38,420 | 只要是這個車子是在美國製造的 |
| 02:02:38,420 | 02:02:40,420 | 就算他是 |
| 02:02:40,420 | 02:02:42,420 | 比如說他是雙B好了 |
| 02:02:42,420 | 02:02:44,420 | 或是說日本比較高檔的車 |
| 02:02:44,420 | 02:02:46,420 | 他只要是在美國製造的 |
| 02:02:46,420 | 02:02:48,420 | 在美國製造的 |
| 02:02:48,420 | 02:02:50,420 | 這個賣到台灣來 |
| 02:02:50,420 | 02:02:52,420 | 他的關稅就是零 |
| 02:02:52,420 | 02:02:54,420 | 17.5%的關稅就是變成零 |
| 02:02:54,420 | 02:02:56,420 | 是美國製造 |
| 02:02:56,420 | 02:02:58,420 | 這就確定嘛 |
| 02:02:58,420 | 02:03:00,420 | 所以大家就在期待 |
| 02:03:00,420 | 02:03:02,420 | 或是在等待就是說 |
| 02:03:02,420 | 02:03:04,420 | 這個美國的進口車 |
| 02:03:04,420 | 02:03:06,420 | 賣到台灣的關稅 |
| 02:03:06,420 | 02:03:08,420 | 到零 |
| 02:03:08,420 | 02:03:10,420 | 那就是確定的事情嘛對不對 |
| 02:03:10,420 | 02:03:12,420 | 對如果等到ART經過大院審議以後 |
| 02:03:12,420 | 02:03:14,420 | 就是確定了 |
| 02:03:14,420 | 02:03:16,420 | 那這個ART是 |
| 02:03:16,420 | 02:03:18,420 | 已經算是 |
| 02:03:18,420 | 02:03:20,420 | 在行政院的作業的部分的話 |
| 02:03:20,420 | 02:03:22,420 | 算是完成了嗎 |
| 02:03:22,420 | 02:03:24,420 | 還是還要等美方 |
| 02:03:24,420 | 02:03:26,420 | 等美方因為他的做法源依據 |
| 02:03:26,420 | 02:03:28,420 | 因為他原來的REPA |
| 02:03:28,420 | 02:03:30,420 | 並不對最高法院接受 |
| 02:03:30,420 | 02:03:32,420 | 那所以 |
| 02:03:32,420 | 02:03:34,420 | 要等美方什麼樣的作業完成 |
| 02:03:34,420 | 02:03:36,420 | 美方完成法律的依據 |
| 02:03:36,420 | 02:03:38,420 | 法源依據 |
| 02:03:38,420 | 02:03:40,420 | 那我們有掌握大概 |
| 02:03:40,420 | 02:03:42,420 | 是什麼時間嗎 |
| 02:03:42,420 | 02:03:44,420 | 這個目前 |
| 02:03:44,420 | 02:03:46,420 | 行政院的OTN持續跟美國 |
| 02:03:46,420 | 02:03:48,420 | 保持密切的一個 |
| 02:03:48,420 | 02:03:50,420 | 溝通跟暢通我想這個部分 |
| 02:03:50,420 | 02:03:52,420 | 他們都有所掌握也會繼續的溝通 |
| 02:03:52,420 | 02:03:54,420 | 對 |
| 02:03:54,420 | 02:03:56,420 | 那所以年底有可能 |
| 02:03:56,420 | 02:03:58,420 | 年底有可能談判完成嗎 |
| 02:03:58,420 | 02:04:00,420 | 這個部分在時程上不是我方 |
| 02:04:00,420 | 02:04:02,420 | 可以做確定的 |
| 02:04:02,420 | 02:04:04,420 | 對啦那我的意思是說現在有遇到 |
| 02:04:04,420 | 02:04:06,420 | 什麼樣的一個阻礙嗎 |
| 02:04:06,420 | 02:04:08,420 | 還是就是說反正就是談判需要花一點時間 |
| 02:04:08,420 | 02:04:10,420 | 這個是 |
| 02:04:10,420 | 02:04:12,420 | 行政院的OTN那邊 |
| 02:04:12,420 | 02:04:14,420 | 那這邊是在做處理的 |
| 02:04:14,420 | 02:04:16,420 | 那經濟部這邊有掌握到什麼訊息嗎 |
| 02:04:16,420 | 02:04:18,420 | 報告委員沒有我這邊沒有 |
| 02:04:18,420 | 02:04:20,420 | 好那所以呢 |
| 02:04:20,420 | 02:04:22,420 | 現在我們要等 |
| 02:04:22,420 | 02:04:24,420 | 這個ART確定之後 |
| 02:04:24,420 | 02:04:26,420 | 送到 |
| 02:04:26,420 | 02:04:28,420 | 行政院跟他們談完之後 |
| 02:04:28,420 | 02:04:30,420 | 確定然後呢這個 |
| 02:04:30,420 | 02:04:32,420 | 最後再送到立法院立法院同意之後 |
| 02:04:32,420 | 02:04:34,420 | 那汽車零組件 |
| 02:04:34,420 | 02:04:36,420 | 像美國輸進來的汽車零組件 |
| 02:04:36,420 | 02:04:38,420 | 還有美國車 |
| 02:04:38,420 | 02:04:40,420 | 都是零嘛關稅都是零嘛 |
| 02:04:40,420 | 02:04:42,420 | 這是確定的事情嘛 |
| 02:04:42,420 | 02:04:44,420 | 然後我們再跟著修海關進口稅者 |
| 02:04:44,420 | 02:04:46,420 | 那所以這個也不會受到 |
| 02:04:46,420 | 02:04:48,420 | 這個美國的301調查 |
| 02:04:48,420 | 02:04:50,420 | 這個沒有影響就對了 |
| 02:04:50,420 | 02:04:52,420 | 最後就要看ART什麼時候送進立法院 |
| 02:04:52,420 | 02:04:54,420 | 通過 |
| 02:04:54,420 | 02:04:56,420 | 所以說這部分就跟這個美國的301調查 |
| 02:04:56,420 | 02:04:58,420 | 沒有關係就對了 |
| 02:04:58,420 | 02:05:00,420 | 我想ART部分 |
| 02:05:00,420 | 02:05:02,420 | 剛剛談的還是就是他的法源依據 |
| 02:05:02,420 | 02:05:04,420 | 的部分還是美方還是在 |
| 02:05:04,420 | 02:05:06,420 | 尋求一個合適的法源依據 |
| 02:05:06,420 | 02:05:08,420 | 對啦 |
| 02:05:08,420 | 02:05:10,420 | 所以我就問說那跟這個 |
| 02:05:10,420 | 02:05:12,420 | 美國301的調查有關係嗎 |
| 02:05:12,420 | 02:05:14,420 | 是不是有關聯我想Otn那邊 |
| 02:05:14,420 | 02:05:16,420 | 跟美方都會持續的他們在協商過程 |
| 02:05:16,420 | 02:05:18,420 | 這個也會影響 |
| 02:05:18,420 | 02:05:20,420 | 所以 |
| 02:05:20,420 | 02:05:22,420 | 所以我就問說那你們有沒有 |
| 02:05:22,420 | 02:05:24,420 | 到底這兩者有沒有關係 |
| 02:05:24,420 | 02:05:26,420 | 還是就脫鉤了汽車零組件 |
| 02:05:26,420 | 02:05:28,420 | 反正就適用232 |
| 02:05:28,420 | 02:05:30,420 | 跟301調查就沒有關係 |
| 02:05:30,420 | 02:05:32,420 | 我想在談判過程當中也許都會提到 |
| 02:05:32,420 | 02:05:34,420 | 但是這個部分我們並不確定 |
| 02:05:34,420 | 02:05:36,420 | 因為是Otn在談判的 |
| 02:05:36,420 | 02:05:38,420 | 好啦反正確定就是說 |
| 02:05:38,420 | 02:05:40,420 | 只要ART確定 |
| 02:05:40,420 | 02:05:42,420 | 之後送來立法院 |
| 02:05:42,420 | 02:05:44,420 | 那這一個美國 |
| 02:05:44,420 | 02:05:46,420 | 輸到台灣的這個汽車零組件 |
| 02:05:46,420 | 02:05:48,420 | 還有美國車 |
| 02:05:48,420 | 02:05:50,420 | 美國製造的車那關稅就是零嘛 |
| 02:05:50,420 | 02:05:52,420 | 這就是確定的事情 |
| 02:05:52,420 | 02:05:54,420 | 只是說不知道 |
| 02:05:54,420 | 02:05:56,420 | 不知道哪時候ART可以跟美國談完就對了 |
| 02:05:56,420 | 02:05:58,420 | 對法源依據確認以後 |
| 02:05:58,420 | 02:06:00,420 | 送大院審一通過 |
| 02:06:00,420 | 02:06:02,420 | OK謝謝 |
| 02:06:02,420 | 02:06:04,420 | 好謝謝我們結束李昆辰委員的質詢 |
| 02:06:04,420 | 02:06:06,420 | 接下來請林思明委員 |
| 02:06:14,420 | 02:06:16,420 | 好謝謝主席 |
| 02:06:16,420 | 02:06:18,420 | 有請財政部莊部長 |
| 02:06:18,420 | 02:06:20,420 | 請莊部長 |
| 02:06:22,420 | 02:06:24,420 | 委員好 |
| 02:06:24,420 | 02:06:26,420 | 部長早部長 |
| 02:06:26,420 | 02:06:28,420 | 先跟您探討那個新清安3.0的議題 |
| 02:06:28,420 | 02:06:30,420 | 部長新清安所得 |
| 02:06:30,420 | 02:06:32,420 | 認定 |
| 02:06:32,420 | 02:06:34,420 | 年所得上限200萬元 |
| 02:06:34,420 | 02:06:36,420 | 採單一年度認定 |
| 02:06:36,420 | 02:06:38,420 | 這個認定 |
| 02:06:38,420 | 02:06:40,420 | 我個人認為是非常的僵化 |
| 02:06:40,420 | 02:06:42,420 | 因為這樣可能會誤殺 |
| 02:06:42,420 | 02:06:44,420 | 因臨時獎金 |
| 02:06:44,420 | 02:06:46,420 | 或者分紅而短暫 |
| 02:06:46,420 | 02:06:48,420 | 短暫鈔票的業務 |
| 02:06:48,420 | 02:06:50,420 | 或受新竹 |
| 02:06:50,420 | 02:06:52,420 | 那麼而且我們民間 |
| 02:06:52,420 | 02:06:54,420 | 就是民下無房 |
| 02:06:54,420 | 02:06:56,420 | 也不等於弱勢 |
| 02:06:56,420 | 02:06:58,420 | 有專家或者民間團體 |
| 02:06:58,420 | 02:07:00,420 | 認為為此有防務者 |
| 02:07:00,420 | 02:07:02,420 | 不代表沒有資產或購買力 |
| 02:07:02,420 | 02:07:04,420 | 補助的對象 |
| 02:07:04,420 | 02:07:06,420 | 若未全面檢視 |
| 02:07:06,420 | 02:07:08,420 | 家戶的總資產 |
| 02:07:08,420 | 02:07:10,420 | 資源分配未必能夠精準 |
| 02:07:10,420 | 02:07:12,420 | 所以請問財政部 |
| 02:07:12,420 | 02:07:14,420 | 有沒有機制避免誤殺 |
| 02:07:14,420 | 02:07:16,420 | 真正的手構組 |
| 02:07:16,420 | 02:07:18,420 | 有沒有相關的機制 |
| 02:07:18,420 | 02:07:20,420 | 我想委員我們這一次 |
| 02:07:20,420 | 02:07:22,420 | 所訂的這個 |
| 02:07:22,420 | 02:07:24,420 | 清安3.0也是在2.0 |
| 02:07:24,420 | 02:07:26,420 | 執行過程當中各界的 |
| 02:07:26,420 | 02:07:28,420 | 指教 |
| 02:07:28,420 | 02:07:30,420 | 以及大家認為有直譯的地方 |
| 02:07:30,420 | 02:07:32,420 | 所以我們訂了3.0這個部分 |
| 02:07:32,420 | 02:07:34,420 | 那我們的目的 |
| 02:07:34,420 | 02:07:36,420 | 就是協助沒有自有住宅民眾 |
| 02:07:36,420 | 02:07:38,420 | 購買房屋然後自住使用 |
| 02:07:38,420 | 02:07:40,420 | 來自住使用 |
| 02:07:40,420 | 02:07:42,420 | 來支持青年來實現他購屋 |
| 02:07:42,420 | 02:07:44,420 | 來安心成家 |
| 02:07:44,420 | 02:07:46,420 | 那麼對於我們對於 |
| 02:07:46,420 | 02:07:48,420 | 協助的對象必須要做一些精準 |
| 02:07:48,420 | 02:07:50,420 | 也對高所得高知力的人 |
| 02:07:50,420 | 02:07:52,420 | 我覺得這不是我們主要 |
| 02:07:52,420 | 02:07:54,420 | 要去協助的對象 |
| 02:07:54,420 | 02:07:56,420 | 我想這個資源應該用在需要協助的上上 |
| 02:07:56,420 | 02:07:58,420 | 我們認同啦 |
| 02:07:58,420 | 02:08:00,420 | 但是我剛才針對我的問題 |
| 02:08:00,420 | 02:08:02,420 | 我想部長你回答 |
| 02:08:02,420 | 02:08:04,420 | 因為你現在把上限設定在200萬 |
| 02:08:04,420 | 02:08:06,420 | 這是一個很 |
| 02:08:06,420 | 02:08:08,420 | 僵化的一個限制 |
| 02:08:08,420 | 02:08:10,420 | 就是說很可能就會 |
| 02:08:10,420 | 02:08:12,420 | 誤殺我們這些 |
| 02:08:12,420 | 02:08:14,420 | 因為可能一個年度 |
| 02:08:14,420 | 02:08:16,420 | 他因為獎金的議題或者分紅 |
| 02:08:16,420 | 02:08:18,420 | 剛好他這個超過200萬 |
| 02:08:18,420 | 02:08:20,420 | 那是不是你 |
| 02:08:20,420 | 02:08:22,420 | 就變成說他就沒有辦法去 |
| 02:08:22,420 | 02:08:24,420 | 這個就受到這個 |
| 02:08:24,420 | 02:08:26,420 | 這個限制他就沒有辦法辦理 |
| 02:08:26,420 | 02:08:28,420 | 這個清清安3.0的一個貸款 |
| 02:08:28,420 | 02:08:30,420 | 所以這個就會誤殺 |
| 02:08:30,420 | 02:08:32,420 | 因為我們是以借款人的 |
| 02:08:32,420 | 02:08:34,420 | 本人如果他們是 |
| 02:08:34,420 | 02:08:36,420 | 有配偶的話那其實他可以 |
| 02:08:36,420 | 02:08:38,420 | 在兩位中一位來 |
| 02:08:38,420 | 02:08:40,420 | 那我至於您剛剛提的因為特殊的 |
| 02:08:40,420 | 02:08:42,420 | 某種特殊一次性的收入 |
| 02:08:42,420 | 02:08:44,420 | 讓他那一年的收入特別高 |
| 02:08:44,420 | 02:08:46,420 | 我想這個個案的情形 |
| 02:08:46,420 | 02:08:48,420 | 我們在執行的過程當中 |
| 02:08:48,420 | 02:08:50,420 | 也會去收集各方的意見 |
| 02:08:50,420 | 02:08:52,420 | 所以我想我們相關的配套還是 |
| 02:08:52,420 | 02:08:54,420 | 不要那麼僵化你這樣太僵化了 |
| 02:08:54,420 | 02:08:56,420 | 如果個案真的出現這種問題 |
| 02:08:56,420 | 02:08:58,420 | 他只是這個年度有超過200萬 |
| 02:08:58,420 | 02:09:00,420 | 就剛好因為分紅的關係 |
| 02:09:00,420 | 02:09:02,420 | 是好我覺得委員 |
| 02:09:02,420 | 02:09:04,420 | 您剛剛這樣一個提醒 |
| 02:09:04,420 | 02:09:06,420 | 我們未來在因為我們的問答集 |
| 02:09:06,420 | 02:09:08,420 | QA都出來大家的了解 |
| 02:09:08,420 | 02:09:10,420 | 那如果有在執行過程當中 |
| 02:09:10,420 | 02:09:12,420 | 有一些什麼樣的一個情況 |
| 02:09:12,420 | 02:09:14,420 | 都可以隨時我們去了解 |
| 02:09:14,420 | 02:09:16,420 | 那公國行會反應 |
| 02:09:16,420 | 02:09:18,420 | 讓我們的相關規定 |
| 02:09:18,420 | 02:09:20,420 | 更切合政策 |
| 02:09:20,420 | 02:09:22,420 | 更切合政策的目的 |
| 02:09:22,420 | 02:09:24,420 | 讓我們的真正的一個 |
| 02:09:24,420 | 02:09:26,420 | 政策可以落實 |
| 02:09:26,420 | 02:09:28,420 | 那我原理您剛剛提到這個問題 |
| 02:09:28,420 | 02:09:30,420 | 那未來的實務發生的時候 |
| 02:09:30,420 | 02:09:32,420 | 我們再來看做一些探討好不好 |
| 02:09:32,420 | 02:09:34,420 | 另外就第二個我剛才提到的 |
| 02:09:34,420 | 02:09:36,420 | 就是說有專家有民間團體 |
| 02:09:36,420 | 02:09:38,420 | 認為為持有防務者 |
| 02:09:38,420 | 02:09:40,420 | 不代表說他就是一個弱勢 |
| 02:09:40,420 | 02:09:42,420 | 所以你補助的對象 |
| 02:09:42,420 | 02:09:44,420 | 如果沒有全面的檢視 |
| 02:09:44,420 | 02:09:46,420 | 家戶的總資產 |
| 02:09:46,420 | 02:09:48,420 | 資源的分配未必能夠精準 |
| 02:09:48,420 | 02:09:50,420 | 資源的分配未必能夠精準 |
| 02:09:50,420 | 02:09:52,420 | 所以財政部 |
| 02:09:52,420 | 02:09:54,420 | 財政部你是不是要去定一個 |
| 02:09:54,420 | 02:09:56,420 | 避免誤傷真正的守過主 |
| 02:09:56,420 | 02:10:00,420 | 第一個你剛剛 |
| 02:10:00,420 | 02:10:02,420 | 有提到就是說如果我們只是 |
| 02:10:02,420 | 02:10:04,420 | 單一的就用兩百萬來做設定 |
| 02:10:04,420 | 02:10:06,420 | 反而家戶可能 |
| 02:10:06,420 | 02:10:08,420 | 很有錢的反而沒有那個 |
| 02:10:08,420 | 02:10:10,420 | 那跟誤殺可能 |
| 02:10:10,420 | 02:10:12,420 | 我們這個情況下應該是 |
| 02:10:12,420 | 02:10:14,420 | 誤給了而不是誤殺 |
| 02:10:14,420 | 02:10:16,420 | 我們其實有兩個第一個 |
| 02:10:16,420 | 02:10:18,420 | 除了本人兩百萬的 |
| 02:10:18,420 | 02:10:20,420 | 年所得的之外還有他購買 |
| 02:10:20,420 | 02:10:22,420 | 房屋的總價也有一個 |
| 02:10:22,420 | 02:10:24,420 | 上限的一個限制這個目的就是說 |
| 02:10:24,420 | 02:10:26,420 | 去買高總 |
| 02:10:26,420 | 02:10:28,420 | 高總價的一個房屋表示 |
| 02:10:28,420 | 02:10:30,420 | 他本身的資歷跟所得高 |
| 02:10:30,420 | 02:10:32,420 | 那也不是這個政策要做一個 |
| 02:10:32,420 | 02:10:34,420 | 協助的一些對象所以在這一次 |
| 02:10:34,420 | 02:10:36,420 | 裡面我們除了所得之外還有 |
| 02:10:36,420 | 02:10:38,420 | 購買高房屋的總價以及 |
| 02:10:38,420 | 02:10:40,420 | 再加上年齡等等這些 |
| 02:10:40,420 | 02:10:42,420 | 也就是說在2.0執行過程 |
| 02:10:42,420 | 02:10:44,420 | 當中各界的指教 |
| 02:10:44,420 | 02:10:46,420 | 我們都把參考進來 |
| 02:10:46,420 | 02:10:48,420 | 那所以委員您剛剛提到的 |
| 02:10:48,420 | 02:10:50,420 | 一些大概在這一次我們的機制 |
| 02:10:50,420 | 02:10:52,420 | 裡面都有把它設計 |
| 02:10:52,420 | 02:10:54,420 | 那各界當然也有意見就是可能 |
| 02:10:54,420 | 02:10:56,420 | 就是從某一個點來說 |
| 02:10:56,420 | 02:10:58,420 | 某一個點來說但是要從全面來看 |
| 02:10:58,420 | 02:11:00,420 | 是謝謝委員的指教 |
| 02:11:00,420 | 02:11:02,420 | 我希望說這個參議院部就是一定要 |
| 02:11:02,420 | 02:11:04,420 | 針對這個問題去做相關的一個 |
| 02:11:04,420 | 02:11:06,420 | 檢討 |
| 02:11:06,420 | 02:11:08,420 | 另外就是說我們星期三3.0如果 |
| 02:11:08,420 | 02:11:10,420 | 貸款後因為借款人的 |
| 02:11:10,420 | 02:11:12,420 | 婚姻關係消滅將停止 |
| 02:11:12,420 | 02:11:14,420 | 超過新台幣1000萬元 |
| 02:11:14,420 | 02:11:16,420 | 核代額的一個利息補貼 |
| 02:11:16,420 | 02:11:18,420 | 那這個是為了防止 |
| 02:11:18,420 | 02:11:20,420 | 假結婚的一個 |
| 02:11:20,420 | 02:11:22,420 | 貸款 |
| 02:11:22,420 | 02:11:24,420 | 怕他假結婚然後後來就離婚 |
| 02:11:24,420 | 02:11:26,420 | 所以你離婚你就去認定 |
| 02:11:26,420 | 02:11:28,420 | 說這個利息就不補貼 |
| 02:11:28,420 | 02:11:30,420 | 但是如果說 |
| 02:11:30,420 | 02:11:32,420 | 夫妻是真的 |
| 02:11:32,420 | 02:11:34,420 | 失和而離婚 |
| 02:11:34,420 | 02:11:36,420 | 會不會就又錯殺了 |
| 02:11:36,420 | 02:11:38,420 | 他是真的婚姻發生問題的 |
| 02:11:38,420 | 02:11:40,420 | 但是你這個規定就是說 |
| 02:11:40,420 | 02:11:42,420 | 反正你離婚婚姻關係消滅 |
| 02:11:42,420 | 02:11:44,420 | 那我就把這個利息 |
| 02:11:44,420 | 02:11:46,420 | 我們就把你就不再 |
| 02:11:46,420 | 02:11:48,420 | 做利息的補貼 |
| 02:11:48,420 | 02:11:50,420 | 就不再是用清安3.0 |
| 02:11:50,420 | 02:11:52,420 | 跟委員報告當時 |
| 02:11:52,420 | 02:11:54,420 | 就是說清安貸款 |
| 02:11:54,420 | 02:11:56,420 | 最高額度1000萬 |
| 02:11:56,420 | 02:11:58,420 | 然後不超過八成 |
| 02:11:58,420 | 02:12:00,420 | 為了鼓勵婚姻 |
| 02:12:00,420 | 02:12:02,420 | 所以假設我們就先講說 |
| 02:12:02,420 | 02:12:04,420 | 有新婚夫妻的話那他就可以 |
| 02:12:04,420 | 02:12:06,420 | 最高額度可以在1200萬 |
| 02:12:06,420 | 02:12:08,420 | 那因此我們 |
| 02:12:08,420 | 02:12:10,420 | 會有六年的相關的利息 |
| 02:12:10,420 | 02:12:12,420 | 的一些協助 |
| 02:12:12,420 | 02:12:14,420 | 那在這個六年當中如果婚姻關係 |
| 02:12:14,420 | 02:12:16,420 | 比如說失和離婚六年當中 |
| 02:12:16,420 | 02:12:18,420 | 如果婚姻失和的話 |
| 02:12:18,420 | 02:12:20,420 | 婚姻關係失和 |
| 02:12:20,420 | 02:12:22,420 | 然後婚姻關係消滅 |
| 02:12:22,420 | 02:12:24,420 | 我們會從他們離婚之後 |
| 02:12:24,420 | 02:12:26,420 | 然後對於200萬的利息補貼 |
| 02:12:26,420 | 02:12:28,420 | 不再做補貼 |
| 02:12:28,420 | 02:12:30,420 | 只是針對那200萬的部分 |
| 02:12:30,420 | 02:12:32,420 | 那之前的不會去追溯 |
| 02:12:32,420 | 02:12:34,420 | 都是一律就是把他收回 |
| 02:12:34,420 | 02:12:36,420 | 什麼叫做假離婚還假結婚 |
| 02:12:36,420 | 02:12:38,420 | 因為你這個目的我們看起來 |
| 02:12:38,420 | 02:12:40,420 | 就是防止他為了 |
| 02:12:40,420 | 02:12:42,420 | 去離婚結婚 |
| 02:12:42,420 | 02:12:44,420 | 去帶款嘛 |
| 02:12:44,420 | 02:12:46,420 | 帶了款他就去離婚嘛 |
| 02:12:46,420 | 02:12:48,420 | 所以看起來就是 |
| 02:12:48,420 | 02:12:50,420 | 假離婚嘛 |
| 02:12:50,420 | 02:12:52,420 | 但是如果他是真正的婚姻 |
| 02:12:52,420 | 02:12:54,420 | 但是他們是真正的婚姻而不是假的婚姻 |
| 02:12:54,420 | 02:12:56,420 | 那這時候你又給他收回 |
| 02:12:56,420 | 02:12:58,420 | 我想這個就鼓勵年輕人 |
| 02:12:58,420 | 02:13:00,420 | 買房的這個 |
| 02:13:00,420 | 02:13:02,420 | 的意義就上失了 |
| 02:13:02,420 | 02:13:04,420 | 結婚是人生的大事 |
| 02:13:04,420 | 02:13:06,420 | 買房也是人生的大事 |
| 02:13:06,420 | 02:13:08,420 | 我不認為年輕人 |
| 02:13:08,420 | 02:13:10,420 | 會因為那多200萬的 |
| 02:13:10,420 | 02:13:12,420 | 貸款 |
| 02:13:12,420 | 02:13:14,420 | 去做假結婚 |
| 02:13:14,420 | 02:13:16,420 | 我認為不會 |
| 02:13:16,420 | 02:13:18,420 | 而且200萬他的利息 |
| 02:13:18,420 | 02:13:20,420 | 協助其實也是 |
| 02:13:20,420 | 02:13:22,420 | 也不見得是他要考慮的範圍內 |
| 02:13:22,420 | 02:13:24,420 | 因為我們認為應該從正面的思考 |
| 02:13:24,420 | 02:13:26,420 | 但是很有可能也會發生這種情形 |
| 02:13:26,420 | 02:13:28,420 | 發生這個事情當然是很遺憾 |
| 02:13:28,420 | 02:13:30,420 | 如果說兩人母法 |
| 02:13:30,420 | 02:13:32,420 | 跟同生活而離婚 |
| 02:13:32,420 | 02:13:34,420 | 我認為是錯殺啦 |
| 02:13:34,420 | 02:13:36,420 | 我們在我們的不是沒有殺 |
| 02:13:36,420 | 02:13:38,420 | 我們也沒殺他 |
| 02:13:38,420 | 02:13:40,420 | 是他失和了 |
| 02:13:40,420 | 02:13:42,420 | 離婚 |
| 02:13:42,420 | 02:13:44,420 | 是他真的失和是沒辦法真的 |
| 02:13:44,420 | 02:13:46,420 | 也沒辦法勸和就對了 |
| 02:13:46,420 | 02:13:48,420 | 好第二個我再做一個議題請問 |
| 02:13:48,420 | 02:13:50,420 | 部長我想我們金管會最近 |
| 02:13:50,420 | 02:13:52,420 | 就在7月17號首度召集 |
| 02:13:52,420 | 02:13:54,420 | 本國銀行的 |
| 02:13:54,420 | 02:13:56,420 | 獨立董事 |
| 02:13:56,420 | 02:13:58,420 | 把讀董推上銀行治理的第一線 |
| 02:13:58,420 | 02:14:00,420 | 主要是聚焦在 |
| 02:14:00,420 | 02:14:02,420 | 獨董如何行使調查權來協助金融監理 |
| 02:14:02,420 | 02:14:04,420 | 監理的重點包含 |
| 02:14:04,420 | 02:14:06,420 | 第一建立銀行的誠信文化 |
| 02:14:06,420 | 02:14:08,420 | 與行為監理框架 |
| 02:14:08,420 | 02:14:10,420 | 第二強化讀董的職能 |
| 02:14:10,420 | 02:14:12,420 | 那金管會也訂定 |
| 02:14:12,420 | 02:14:14,420 | 讀董協助及調查 |
| 02:14:14,420 | 02:14:16,420 | 作業程序 |
| 02:14:16,420 | 02:14:18,420 | 以及第三推動全民金融 |
| 02:14:18,420 | 02:14:20,420 | 金管會希望透過座談 |
| 02:14:20,420 | 02:14:22,420 | 把讀董從形式上的 |
| 02:14:22,420 | 02:14:24,420 | 獨立的一個席次 |
| 02:14:24,420 | 02:14:26,420 | 推向銀行治理的風險與 |
| 02:14:26,420 | 02:14:28,420 | 控管的第一線 |
| 02:14:28,420 | 02:14:30,420 | 讓董事會不只 |
| 02:14:30,420 | 02:14:32,420 | 看獲利 |
| 02:14:32,420 | 02:14:34,420 | 也要對誠信文化治理品質 |
| 02:14:34,420 | 02:14:36,420 | 以及社會負責任 |
| 02:14:36,420 | 02:14:38,420 | 所以請問部長你認為 |
| 02:14:38,420 | 02:14:40,420 | 金管會第一次召集 |
| 02:14:40,420 | 02:14:42,420 | 我們本國銀行的獨立董事 |
| 02:14:42,420 | 02:14:44,420 | 討論關於 |
| 02:14:44,420 | 02:14:46,420 | 獨立銀行 |
| 02:14:46,420 | 02:14:48,420 | 獨立董事銀行治理 |
| 02:14:48,420 | 02:14:50,420 | 的責任主要的原因 |
| 02:14:50,420 | 02:14:52,420 | 是什麼 |
| 02:14:52,420 | 02:14:54,420 | 希望讀董能夠發揮這個功能 |
| 02:14:54,420 | 02:14:56,420 | 在董事會裡面 |
| 02:14:56,420 | 02:14:58,420 | 能夠一起協助 |
| 02:14:58,420 | 02:15:00,420 | 做這個公司治理 |
| 02:15:00,420 | 02:15:02,420 | 所以到目前 |
| 02:15:02,420 | 02:15:04,420 | 所有的宮古行庫在這三大 |
| 02:15:04,420 | 02:15:06,420 | 監理議題上 |
| 02:15:06,420 | 02:15:08,420 | 讀董運作執行的狀況 |
| 02:15:08,420 | 02:15:10,420 | 未來會是如何 |
| 02:15:10,420 | 02:15:12,420 | 會本著金管會現在這個三個 |
| 02:15:12,420 | 02:15:14,420 | 原則去 |
| 02:15:14,420 | 02:15:16,420 | 做這個監理嗎 |
| 02:15:16,420 | 02:15:18,420 | 宮古事業當然是 |
| 02:15:18,420 | 02:15:20,420 | 推薦的讀董當然在讀董應該要 |
| 02:15:20,420 | 02:15:22,420 | 符合金管會的一些要求 |
| 02:15:22,420 | 02:15:24,420 | 一定也要去落實的 |
| 02:15:24,420 | 02:15:26,420 | 是是是 |
| 02:15:26,420 | 02:15:28,420 | 另外就是說部長是否也贊成在 |
| 02:15:28,420 | 02:15:30,420 | 所有的宮古行庫中 |
| 02:15:30,420 | 02:15:32,420 | 配合推動此一措施 |
| 02:15:32,420 | 02:15:34,420 | 是否要維持宮古行庫 |
| 02:15:34,420 | 02:15:36,420 | 讀董的監理的 |
| 02:15:36,420 | 02:15:38,420 | 獨立性 |
| 02:15:38,420 | 02:15:40,420 | 讀董就要做要求吧 |
| 02:15:40,420 | 02:15:42,420 | 就要獨立性對 |
| 02:15:42,420 | 02:15:44,420 | 金管會也希望若是銀行涉及 |
| 02:15:44,420 | 02:15:46,420 | 讀董等高階主管 |
| 02:15:46,420 | 02:15:48,420 | 這個疑涉及不法 |
| 02:15:48,420 | 02:15:50,420 | 或者不當行為 |
| 02:15:50,420 | 02:15:52,420 | 讀董均可依程序 |
| 02:15:52,420 | 02:15:54,420 | 會如調查與釐清 |
| 02:15:54,420 | 02:15:56,420 | 但宮古行庫的董座 |
| 02:15:56,420 | 02:15:58,420 | 總經理都是官派 |
| 02:15:58,420 | 02:16:00,420 | 財政部是否也會 |
| 02:16:00,420 | 02:16:02,420 | 放手讓宮古行庫的 |
| 02:16:02,420 | 02:16:04,420 | 讀董進行必要的調查 |
| 02:16:04,420 | 02:16:06,420 | 當然會一定會 |
| 02:16:06,420 | 02:16:08,420 | 是的那我就問剛才 |
| 02:16:08,420 | 02:16:10,420 | 賴司法委員 |
| 02:16:10,420 | 02:16:12,420 | 也這個隨行的就是財政部 |
| 02:16:12,420 | 02:16:14,420 | 取得國票金的經營權 |
| 02:16:14,420 | 02:16:16,420 | 那若是再來 |
| 02:16:16,420 | 02:16:18,420 | 有獨立董事提出修改公司 |
| 02:16:18,420 | 02:16:20,420 | 章程廢除副董 |
| 02:16:20,420 | 02:16:22,420 | 財政部是否會支持 |
| 02:16:22,420 | 02:16:24,420 | 我想這是內部公司 |
| 02:16:24,420 | 02:16:26,420 | 治理的一個程序 |
| 02:16:26,420 | 02:16:28,420 | 當然是要尊重公司 |
| 02:16:28,420 | 02:16:30,420 | 部長 |
| 02:16:30,420 | 02:16:32,420 | 剛賴委員也強調 |
| 02:16:32,420 | 02:16:34,420 | 財政部是我們最大的 |
| 02:16:34,420 | 02:16:36,420 | 股東國票金最大的股東 |
| 02:16:36,420 | 02:16:38,420 | 可以說就是代表 |
| 02:16:38,420 | 02:16:40,420 | 財政部就可以這個 |
| 02:16:40,420 | 02:16:42,420 | 來代表這個公司 |
| 02:16:42,420 | 02:16:44,420 | 你總該有個立場 |
| 02:16:44,420 | 02:16:46,420 | 委員剛才不是提到嗎 |
| 02:16:46,420 | 02:16:48,420 | 讀董我們要尊重他的獨立性 |
| 02:16:48,420 | 02:16:50,420 | 所以在董事會裡面 |
| 02:16:50,420 | 02:16:52,420 | 讀董他有他的職責 |
| 02:16:52,420 | 02:16:54,420 | 廢除副董的職位 |
| 02:16:54,420 | 02:16:56,420 | 廢除副董職位 |
| 02:16:56,420 | 02:16:58,420 | 你是否會支持 |
| 02:16:58,420 | 02:17:00,420 | 你剛才講說要尊重公司的一個治理 |
| 02:17:00,420 | 02:17:02,420 | 但是現在你財政部 |
| 02:17:02,420 | 02:17:04,420 | 你是關 |
| 02:17:04,420 | 02:17:06,420 | 這些讀董大部分都是你官派的 |
| 02:17:06,420 | 02:17:08,420 | 所以你財政部要有個立場 |
| 02:17:08,420 | 02:17:10,420 | 你的態度是什麼 |
| 02:17:10,420 | 02:17:12,420 | 我們要尊重他的獨立性 |
| 02:17:12,420 | 02:17:14,420 | 當然尊重獨立性 |
| 02:17:14,420 | 02:17:16,420 | 是的謝謝委員 |
| 02:17:16,420 | 02:17:18,420 | 好謝謝我們結束 |
| 02:17:18,420 | 02:17:20,420 | 林森民委員的質詢 |
| 02:17:20,420 | 02:17:22,420 | 接下來請顏寬恒委員 |
| 02:17:30,420 | 02:17:32,420 | 好謝謝主席 |
| 02:17:32,420 | 02:17:34,420 | 主席各位歷史觀的大家好 |
| 02:17:34,420 | 02:17:36,420 | 主席有請財政部莊部長 |
| 02:17:38,420 | 02:17:40,420 | 請莊部長 |
| 02:17:42,420 | 02:17:44,420 | 謝謝委員是 |
| 02:17:44,420 | 02:17:46,420 | 大家好部長 |
| 02:17:46,420 | 02:17:48,420 | 今天是審查海關進口稅者 |
| 02:17:48,420 | 02:17:50,420 | 汽車以及汽車零組件的部分 |
| 02:17:52,420 | 02:17:54,420 | 我想許多委員都有提案建議 |
| 02:17:54,420 | 02:17:56,420 | 但是財政部都 |
| 02:17:56,420 | 02:17:58,420 | 未納入參考意見 |
| 02:18:00,420 | 02:18:02,420 | 依據這個關稅法 |
| 02:18:02,420 | 02:18:04,420 | 第100條已簽署的 |
| 02:18:04,420 | 02:18:06,420 | 台美對等貿易協定 |
| 02:18:08,420 | 02:18:10,420 | 美國製的小客車以及汽車零組件 |
| 02:18:10,420 | 02:18:12,420 | 自協定生效日期 |
| 02:18:12,420 | 02:18:14,420 | 均享免關稅的待遇 |
| 02:18:20,420 | 02:18:22,420 | 因為美方 |
| 02:18:22,420 | 02:18:24,420 | 還有兩項301的調查 |
| 02:18:24,420 | 02:18:26,420 | 完成之後才會決定 |
| 02:18:26,420 | 02:18:28,420 | 最終效率 |
| 02:18:28,420 | 02:18:30,420 | 目前還有產能過剩 |
| 02:18:30,420 | 02:18:32,420 | 調查結果報告還沒有公布 |
| 02:18:32,420 | 02:18:34,420 | 所以我們是要等到301 |
| 02:18:34,420 | 02:18:36,420 | 調查結束之後 |
| 02:18:36,420 | 02:18:38,420 | 最終稅率公告 |
| 02:18:38,420 | 02:18:40,420 | 然後才將包含ART |
| 02:18:42,420 | 02:18:44,420 | 投資MOU |
| 02:18:44,420 | 02:18:46,420 | 以及衝擊影響評估 |
| 02:18:46,420 | 02:18:48,420 | 送到立法院來審議 |
| 02:18:48,420 | 02:18:50,420 | 是這樣子嗎 |
| 02:18:50,420 | 02:18:52,420 | 部長 |
| 02:18:52,420 | 02:18:54,420 | 跟委員報告 |
| 02:18:54,420 | 02:18:56,420 | 台美簽的ART |
| 02:18:56,420 | 02:18:58,420 | 還有MOU這是我們雙邊的協定 |
| 02:18:58,420 | 02:19:00,420 | 僅適用在美國 |
| 02:19:00,420 | 02:19:02,420 | 所簽的ART給MOU |
| 02:19:02,420 | 02:19:04,420 | 未來會送到大院 |
| 02:19:04,420 | 02:19:06,420 | 來做審議通過以後 |
| 02:19:06,420 | 02:19:08,420 | 必須要經過大院審議通過 |
| 02:19:08,420 | 02:19:10,420 | 我們再配合修正海關進口稅者 |
| 02:19:10,420 | 02:19:12,420 | 但是也必須只是 |
| 02:19:12,420 | 02:19:14,420 | 我們要根據ART做基礎來修正 |
| 02:19:14,420 | 02:19:16,420 | 美國進口的 |
| 02:19:16,420 | 02:19:18,420 | 所以我們在等他的301調查報告結束之後 |
| 02:19:18,420 | 02:19:22,420 | 至於兩者之間的相關關聯性 |
| 02:19:22,420 | 02:19:26,420 | 我想在我們OTN的經貿談判辦公室 |
| 02:19:26,420 | 02:19:28,420 | 會跟美方在做相關協商的時候 |
| 02:19:28,420 | 02:19:30,420 | 會去做討論 |
| 02:19:30,420 | 02:19:32,420 | 由於這個降稅措施 |
| 02:19:32,420 | 02:19:34,420 | 僅適用美國的產品 |
| 02:19:34,420 | 02:19:36,420 | 所以來自於其他國家 |
| 02:19:36,420 | 02:19:38,420 | 進口的車輛 |
| 02:19:38,420 | 02:19:40,420 | 還有汽車零組件 |
| 02:19:40,420 | 02:19:42,420 | 仍然要依照現行 |
| 02:19:42,420 | 02:19:44,420 | 稅率來課徵關稅 |
| 02:19:44,420 | 02:19:46,420 | 所以未來會導致國內 |
| 02:19:46,420 | 02:19:48,420 | 整車組裝產業會面臨 |
| 02:19:48,420 | 02:19:50,420 | 結構性的一種不公平的競爭 |
| 02:19:50,420 | 02:19:52,420 | 如果使用的零組件 |
| 02:19:52,420 | 02:19:54,420 | 並非來自美國 |
| 02:19:54,420 | 02:19:56,420 | 就要負擔 |
| 02:19:56,420 | 02:19:58,420 | 5%到17.5%的進口關稅 |
| 02:19:58,420 | 02:20:02,420 | 那可能使整體的生產成本 |
| 02:20:02,420 | 02:20:04,420 | 高於直接進口的整車 |
| 02:20:04,420 | 02:20:06,420 | 所以這種關稅待遇上的差異 |
| 02:20:06,420 | 02:20:08,420 | 一定會削弱國內汽車 |
| 02:20:08,420 | 02:20:10,420 | 這種組裝產業的競爭力 |
| 02:20:10,420 | 02:20:12,420 | 對於台灣汽車製造業 |
| 02:20:12,420 | 02:20:14,420 | 恐怕會造成不利的影響 |
| 02:20:14,420 | 02:20:16,420 | 這個我們 |
| 02:20:16,420 | 02:20:18,420 | 車價的組成稅制 |
| 02:20:18,420 | 02:20:20,420 | 包含關稅、貨物稅 |
| 02:20:20,420 | 02:20:22,420 | 還有營業稅 |
| 02:20:22,420 | 02:20:24,420 | 我們鄰居的國家相比 |
| 02:20:24,420 | 02:20:26,420 | 中國大陸整車進口是15% |
| 02:20:26,420 | 02:20:28,420 | 關稅15% |
| 02:20:28,420 | 02:20:30,420 | 南韓是8% |
| 02:20:30,420 | 02:20:32,420 | 汽車龍頭就是日本 |
| 02:20:32,420 | 02:20:34,420 | 關稅是零 |
| 02:20:34,420 | 02:20:36,420 | 但是台灣我們還是17.5% |
| 02:20:36,420 | 02:20:38,420 | 這個17.5% |
| 02:20:38,420 | 02:20:40,420 | 我們從政府 |
| 02:20:40,420 | 02:20:42,420 | 長期維持這個17.5%的高關稅 |
| 02:20:42,420 | 02:20:44,420 | 名義上就是要保護國內汽車產業 |
| 02:20:44,420 | 02:20:46,420 | 但是保護了幾十年 |
| 02:20:46,420 | 02:20:48,420 | 我們的核心技術 |
| 02:20:48,420 | 02:20:50,420 | 包括引擎、背負箱等等 |
| 02:20:50,420 | 02:20:52,420 | 還是高度依賴國外進口 |
| 02:20:52,420 | 02:20:54,420 | 我們沒有辦法自主的一個研發 |
| 02:20:54,420 | 02:20:56,420 | 以及我們的這樣子的一個 |
| 02:20:56,420 | 02:20:58,420 | 一個 |
| 02:20:58,420 | 02:21:00,420 | 一個進口的進口 |
| 02:21:00,420 | 02:21:02,420 | 我們沒有辦法自主的一個研發 |
| 02:21:02,420 | 02:21:04,420 | 以及我們的這樣子的一個 |
| 02:21:04,420 | 02:21:06,420 | 所謂的 |
| 02:21:06,420 | 02:21:08,420 | 製造量也沒有辦法 |
| 02:21:08,420 | 02:21:10,420 | 符合我們自己的需求 |
| 02:21:10,420 | 02:21:12,420 | 所以這個部分 |
| 02:21:12,420 | 02:21:14,420 | 如果車價因為我們三種稅 |
| 02:21:14,420 | 02:21:16,420 | 貨物稅、關稅 |
| 02:21:16,420 | 02:21:18,420 | 還有營業稅 |
| 02:21:18,420 | 02:21:20,420 | 加起來總共 |
| 02:21:20,420 | 02:21:22,420 | 一部車就要負擔 |
| 02:21:22,420 | 02:21:24,420 | 超過52.5%的稅 |
| 02:21:24,420 | 02:21:26,420 | 100萬的這種國產車 |
| 02:21:26,420 | 02:21:28,420 | 就要負擔的稅是52萬 |
| 02:21:28,420 | 02:21:30,420 | 所以說這樣子的一個 |
| 02:21:30,420 | 02:21:32,420 | 高稅率汽車的車價 |
| 02:21:32,420 | 02:21:34,420 | 被墊得這麼高 |
| 02:21:34,420 | 02:21:36,420 | 到最後還是我們國人承擔 |
| 02:21:36,420 | 02:21:38,420 | 還是消費者承擔 |
| 02:21:38,420 | 02:21:40,420 | 這些製造業、廠商他並不會吸收 |
| 02:21:40,420 | 02:21:42,420 | 還是轉嫁到我們 |
| 02:21:42,420 | 02:21:44,420 | 這個百姓的身上 |
| 02:21:44,420 | 02:21:46,420 | 除了說關稅的問題之外 |
| 02:21:46,420 | 02:21:48,420 | 還有貨物稅 |
| 02:21:48,420 | 02:21:50,420 | 這個財政部說我們的 |
| 02:21:50,420 | 02:21:52,420 | 貨物稅太舊換新可以減生5萬塊 |
| 02:21:52,420 | 02:21:54,420 | 這個部分 |
| 02:21:54,420 | 02:21:56,420 | 但是現在普通的國產車 |
| 02:21:56,420 | 02:21:58,420 | 都快要百萬 |
| 02:21:58,420 | 02:22:00,420 | 一百多萬 |
| 02:22:00,420 | 02:22:02,420 | 25%的貨物稅就20幾萬 |
| 02:22:02,420 | 02:22:04,420 | 對不對?加上這17.5%的關稅 |
| 02:22:04,420 | 02:22:06,420 | 你這5萬塊的 |
| 02:22:06,420 | 02:22:08,420 | 定額減免其實是 |
| 02:22:08,420 | 02:22:10,420 | 杯水車薪也不成比例 |
| 02:22:10,420 | 02:22:12,420 | 不只是整車的關稅 |
| 02:22:12,420 | 02:22:14,420 | 包括進口零儲件的 |
| 02:22:14,420 | 02:22:16,420 | 關稅也很高 |
| 02:22:16,420 | 02:22:18,420 | 像引擎變速箱 |
| 02:22:18,420 | 02:22:20,420 | 這些關鍵零件 |
| 02:22:20,420 | 02:22:22,420 | 又面臨到17.5%的關稅 |
| 02:22:22,420 | 02:22:24,420 | 這些都應該降低 |
| 02:22:24,420 | 02:22:26,420 | 甚至於應該是免稅 |
| 02:22:26,420 | 02:22:28,420 | 這不是只有我們立委提案而已 |
| 02:22:28,420 | 02:22:30,420 | 經濟部也回應支持說 |
| 02:22:30,420 | 02:22:32,420 | 對國內無法生產 |
| 02:22:32,420 | 02:22:34,420 | 是關鍵汽車零儲件 |
| 02:22:34,420 | 02:22:36,420 | 應實施零關稅政策 |
| 02:22:36,420 | 02:22:38,420 | 所以說我是認為說財政部 |
| 02:22:38,420 | 02:22:40,420 | 也應該要參考本院 |
| 02:22:40,420 | 02:22:42,420 | 提案委員還有我們經濟部的建議 |
| 02:22:42,420 | 02:22:44,420 | 取消汽車 |
| 02:22:44,420 | 02:22:46,420 | 零儲件關稅的一個 |
| 02:22:46,420 | 02:22:48,420 | 這個部分這樣才有助於 |
| 02:22:48,420 | 02:22:50,420 | 整個市場價格 |
| 02:22:50,420 | 02:22:52,420 | 能夠更接近實際的成本 |
| 02:22:52,420 | 02:22:54,420 | 部長 |
| 02:22:54,420 | 02:22:56,420 | 跟委員報告有關國內沒有產製的 |
| 02:22:56,420 | 02:22:58,420 | 汽車零儲件 |
| 02:22:58,420 | 02:23:00,420 | 的關稅是不是要 |
| 02:23:00,420 | 02:23:02,420 | 調降這個部分經濟部正在辦 |
| 02:23:02,420 | 02:23:04,420 | 稅事支出的評估報告 |
| 02:23:04,420 | 02:23:06,420 | 等到稅事支出評估報告 |
| 02:23:06,420 | 02:23:08,420 | 完畢以後如果認為 |
| 02:23:08,420 | 02:23:10,420 | 是有必要而且可行而且有效的話 |
| 02:23:10,420 | 02:23:12,420 | 我們再配合再做後續的作業 |
| 02:23:12,420 | 02:23:14,420 | 後續等他報告出來 |
| 02:23:14,420 | 02:23:16,420 | 再來研議看看可不可行 |
| 02:23:16,420 | 02:23:18,420 | 經濟部也說他們也正在做 |
| 02:23:18,420 | 02:23:20,420 | 家景在做 |
| 02:23:20,420 | 02:23:22,420 | 有關稅事支出評估 |
| 02:23:22,420 | 02:23:24,420 | 我們眼光放遠一點 |
| 02:23:24,420 | 02:23:26,420 | 你調降關稅隨著進口車 |
| 02:23:26,420 | 02:23:28,420 | 量這個價格下降 |
| 02:23:28,420 | 02:23:30,420 | 還有市場需求的增加 |
| 02:23:30,420 | 02:23:32,420 | 那進口車量可能會 |
| 02:23:32,420 | 02:23:34,420 | 一定會提升 |
| 02:23:34,420 | 02:23:36,420 | 提升之後他帶動了我們公路 |
| 02:23:36,420 | 02:23:38,420 | 公路使用養護費 |
| 02:23:38,420 | 02:23:40,420 | 還有使用牌照稅 |
| 02:23:40,420 | 02:23:42,420 | 還有相關的規費等等也都會 |
| 02:23:42,420 | 02:23:44,420 | 增加進口車的市場 |
| 02:23:44,420 | 02:23:46,420 | 擴大也會促進 |
| 02:23:46,420 | 02:23:48,420 | 汽車銷售維護保養 |
| 02:23:48,420 | 02:23:50,420 | 還有相關服務業的發展 |
| 02:23:50,420 | 02:23:52,420 | 所以也是一樣創造就業機會 |
| 02:23:52,420 | 02:23:54,420 | 並且形成新的 |
| 02:23:54,420 | 02:23:56,420 | 稅收來源 |
| 02:23:56,420 | 02:23:58,420 | 所以這個部分啊部長 |
| 02:23:58,420 | 02:24:00,420 | 我剛剛聽你的說法就是說 |
| 02:24:00,420 | 02:24:02,420 | 還是有意願要來研議說 |
| 02:24:02,420 | 02:24:04,420 | 對於調降關稅 |
| 02:24:04,420 | 02:24:06,420 | 甚至於零的部分 |
| 02:24:06,420 | 02:24:08,420 | 這個部分還是會有作用 |
| 02:24:08,420 | 02:24:10,420 | 我要說明我剛剛講的是 |
| 02:24:10,420 | 02:24:12,420 | 國內沒有產製的汽車零組件 |
| 02:24:12,420 | 02:24:14,420 | 的關稅調降 |
| 02:24:14,420 | 02:24:16,420 | 目前經濟部正在做 |
| 02:24:16,420 | 02:24:18,420 | 稅事支出評估報告 |
| 02:24:18,420 | 02:24:20,420 | 好 |
| 02:24:20,420 | 02:24:22,420 | 我想這個部分我剩下利用一點點時間 |
| 02:24:22,420 | 02:24:24,420 | 跟部長再說明一下 |
| 02:24:24,420 | 02:24:26,420 | 因為這個 |
| 02:24:26,420 | 02:24:28,420 | 所涉及的品項通路實在太多了 |
| 02:24:28,420 | 02:24:30,420 | 那我之前也有建議 |
| 02:24:30,420 | 02:24:32,420 | 衛福部可以跟我們財政部合作 |
| 02:24:32,420 | 02:24:34,420 | 提供民眾一個 |
| 02:24:34,420 | 02:24:36,420 | 官方的食安載具查詢平台 |
| 02:24:36,420 | 02:24:38,420 | 讓民眾 |
| 02:24:38,420 | 02:24:40,420 | 輸入載具號碼 |
| 02:24:40,420 | 02:24:42,420 | 之後就能夠知道自己什麼時候 |
| 02:24:42,420 | 02:24:44,420 | 消費過什麼樣的自來油 |
| 02:24:44,420 | 02:24:46,420 | 商品 |
| 02:24:46,420 | 02:24:48,420 | 這個衛福部的政次 |
| 02:24:48,420 | 02:24:50,420 | 又在那邊扯來扯去 |
| 02:24:50,420 | 02:24:52,420 | 說不是每個人都在用載具 |
| 02:24:52,420 | 02:24:54,420 | 部長 |
| 02:24:54,420 | 02:24:56,420 | 我想你們不是也常常說 |
| 02:24:56,420 | 02:24:58,420 | 這個載具的普及率很高嗎 |
| 02:24:58,420 | 02:25:00,420 | 所以既然這樣為什麼 |
| 02:25:00,420 | 02:25:02,420 | 做不到衛福部不願意做 |
| 02:25:02,420 | 02:25:04,420 | 那財政部這邊願不願意挑起這個 |
| 02:25:04,420 | 02:25:06,420 | 重擔由我們財政部主動 |
| 02:25:06,420 | 02:25:08,420 | 來研議這個平台 |
| 02:25:08,420 | 02:25:10,420 | 部長願意嗎 |
| 02:25:10,420 | 02:25:12,420 | 您講的是食安的 |
| 02:25:12,420 | 02:25:14,420 | 食安的主管機關 |
| 02:25:14,420 | 02:25:16,420 | 食安的主管機關是衛福部 |
| 02:25:16,420 | 02:25:18,420 | 那哪一些產品 |
| 02:25:18,420 | 02:25:20,420 | 有什麼樣的一些問題 |
| 02:25:20,420 | 02:25:22,420 | 他的製造也好加工 |
| 02:25:22,420 | 02:25:24,420 | 或這些販賣回收 |
| 02:25:24,420 | 02:25:26,420 | 這個財政部沒有這個 |
| 02:25:26,420 | 02:25:28,420 | 權責來做這樣的一件事情 |
| 02:25:28,420 | 02:25:30,420 | 而且我們做的也不一樣 |
| 02:25:30,420 | 02:25:32,420 | 我們已經跟他要求了 |
| 02:25:32,420 | 02:25:34,420 | 當然我們跟衛福部是可以 |
| 02:25:34,420 | 02:25:36,420 | 做相關的合作 |
| 02:25:36,420 | 02:25:38,420 | 但是衛福部先要把這個平台 |
| 02:25:38,420 | 02:25:40,420 | 建置起來 |
| 02:25:40,420 | 02:25:42,420 | 然後我們再來看透過我們的 |
| 02:25:42,420 | 02:25:44,420 | 宰具如何去來去做判斷 |
| 02:25:44,420 | 02:25:46,420 | 而且要能夠判斷 |
| 02:25:46,420 | 02:25:48,420 | 因為我在消費的時候我可能只買了 |
| 02:25:48,420 | 02:25:50,420 | 某一個東西那這個東西是不是 |
| 02:25:50,420 | 02:25:52,420 | 屬於有問題的那個批號如何勾串 |
| 02:25:52,420 | 02:25:54,420 | 這個都還要詳細的進行 |
| 02:25:54,420 | 02:25:56,420 | 你沒有看過 |
| 02:25:56,420 | 02:25:58,420 | 民間自主研發的那個 |
| 02:25:58,420 | 02:26:00,420 | 宰具open他們已經 |
| 02:26:00,420 | 02:26:02,420 | 你只要輸入就可以查詢到 |
| 02:26:02,420 | 02:26:04,420 | 自己購買過多少自然有的商品 |
| 02:26:04,420 | 02:26:06,420 | 沒有道理民間可以做 |
| 02:26:06,420 | 02:26:08,420 | 我們政府不做 |
| 02:26:08,420 | 02:26:10,420 | 政府會以科技的手段 |
| 02:26:10,420 | 02:26:12,420 | 來落實食安溯源 |
| 02:26:12,420 | 02:26:14,420 | 我認同用科技的手段 |
| 02:26:14,420 | 02:26:16,420 | 來做對於民眾食安 |
| 02:26:16,420 | 02:26:18,420 | 有幫助的一個事項 |
| 02:26:18,420 | 02:26:20,420 | 但是民間可以做的民間 |
| 02:26:20,420 | 02:26:22,420 | 如何去負責財政部或 |
| 02:26:22,420 | 02:26:24,420 | 衛福部要做的話那他就是一個 |
| 02:26:24,420 | 02:26:26,420 | 一個政府的平台 |
| 02:26:26,420 | 02:26:28,420 | 那就不是說我隨便放就可以的 |
| 02:26:28,420 | 02:26:30,420 | 不是所以我所見請說 |
| 02:26:30,420 | 02:26:32,420 | 我請部長我們主動去 |
| 02:26:32,420 | 02:26:34,420 | 要求 |
| 02:26:34,420 | 02:26:36,420 | 跟衛福部一起來把這事情 |
| 02:26:36,420 | 02:26:38,420 | 做好我們可以聯繫衛福部 |
| 02:26:38,420 | 02:26:40,420 | 有沒有什麼需要我們 |
| 02:26:40,420 | 02:26:42,420 | 互相勾串的一些 |
| 02:26:42,420 | 02:26:44,420 | 這是政府必須要做的 |
| 02:26:44,420 | 02:26:46,420 | 而且要馬上做的事情 |
| 02:26:46,420 | 02:26:48,420 | 好不好 |
| 02:26:48,420 | 02:26:50,420 | 我想說還是要衛福部主責的 |
| 02:26:50,420 | 02:26:52,420 | 他主責 |
| 02:26:52,420 | 02:26:54,420 | 但是你要要求他嘛 |
| 02:26:54,420 | 02:26:56,420 | 我們都要求啦 |
| 02:26:56,420 | 02:26:58,420 | 委員的要求 |
| 02:26:58,420 | 02:27:00,420 | 我會轉達委員的要求 |
| 02:27:02,420 | 02:27:04,420 | 謝謝員工和委員 |
| 02:27:04,420 | 02:27:06,420 | 部長請回 |
| 02:27:06,420 | 02:27:08,420 | 接下來請李燕秀委員質詢 |
| 02:27:14,420 | 02:27:16,420 | 好謝謝 |
| 02:27:16,420 | 02:27:18,420 | 我是不是可以請 |
| 02:27:18,420 | 02:27:20,420 | 莊部長 |
| 02:27:20,420 | 02:27:22,420 | 好請陳政務莊部長 |
| 02:27:26,420 | 02:27:28,420 | 委員好 |
| 02:27:28,420 | 02:27:30,420 | 部長好 |
| 02:27:30,420 | 02:27:32,420 | 我長期在財委會都一直 |
| 02:27:32,420 | 02:27:34,420 | 非常關心我們現在全球 |
| 02:27:34,420 | 02:27:36,420 | 最低說服制GNT的相關的進度 |
| 02:27:38,420 | 02:27:40,420 | 整體的進度跟狀況已經不是 |
| 02:27:40,420 | 02:27:42,420 | 只上談兵現在全球 |
| 02:27:42,420 | 02:27:44,420 | 有十多個國家 |
| 02:27:44,420 | 02:27:46,420 | 已經完成他們國內的 |
| 02:27:46,420 | 02:27:48,420 | 立法包括越南 |
| 02:27:48,420 | 02:27:50,420 | 包括澳洲等亞洲 |
| 02:27:50,420 | 02:27:52,420 | 有好幾個國家也有 |
| 02:27:52,420 | 02:27:54,420 | 我們2026年開始面臨 |
| 02:27:54,420 | 02:27:56,420 | 當地申報的要求 |
| 02:27:56,420 | 02:27:58,420 | 那我要請問部長 |
| 02:27:58,420 | 02:28:00,420 | 就是說我們整體面對GNT |
| 02:28:00,420 | 02:28:02,420 | 我們現在因應的進度 |
| 02:28:02,420 | 02:28:04,420 | 相關的法規到底 |
| 02:28:04,420 | 02:28:06,420 | 在哪一個階段 |
| 02:28:06,420 | 02:28:08,420 | 跟委員報告對於 |
| 02:28:08,420 | 02:28:10,420 | 有關全球最低說服制 |
| 02:28:10,420 | 02:28:12,420 | 財政部已經組成了一個工作小組 |
| 02:28:12,420 | 02:28:14,420 | 我們必須要對OECD |
| 02:28:14,420 | 02:28:16,420 | 最新發布的文件 |
| 02:28:16,420 | 02:28:18,420 | 還有其他OECD |
| 02:28:18,420 | 02:28:20,420 | 非屬於IF成員的 |
| 02:28:20,420 | 02:28:22,420 | GNT的他如何去檢視 |
| 02:28:22,420 | 02:28:24,420 | 因為我們本身並不是屬於 |
| 02:28:24,420 | 02:28:26,420 | 這個成員國 |
| 02:28:26,420 | 02:28:28,420 | 我們的實施必須要根據相關的 |
| 02:28:28,420 | 02:28:30,420 | 一些他檢視的規則來做檢討 |
| 02:28:30,420 | 02:28:32,420 | 部長我們會持續的去 |
| 02:28:32,420 | 02:28:34,420 | 第一個我們有工作小組 |
| 02:28:34,420 | 02:28:36,420 | 而且我們會對於OECD所發布 |
| 02:28:36,420 | 02:28:38,420 | 新的文件都要隨時掌握 |
| 02:28:38,420 | 02:28:40,420 | 部長我先請問你一句話 |
| 02:28:40,420 | 02:28:42,420 | 我們GNT最主要的目的 |
| 02:28:42,420 | 02:28:44,420 | 加入 |
| 02:28:44,420 | 02:28:46,420 | 就是希望 |
| 02:28:46,420 | 02:28:48,420 | 15%的稅制 |
| 02:28:48,420 | 02:28:50,420 | 我們加入的目的是什麼 |
| 02:28:50,420 | 02:28:52,420 | 希望稅留在台灣 |
| 02:28:52,420 | 02:28:54,420 | GNT最主要目的是 |
| 02:28:54,420 | 02:28:56,420 | 避免我國的課稅權旁落 |
| 02:28:56,420 | 02:28:58,420 | 是避免課稅權旁落 |
| 02:28:58,420 | 02:29:00,420 | 就是應該讓我們可以 |
| 02:29:00,420 | 02:29:02,420 | 課得到的稅不要讓他們為了 |
| 02:29:02,420 | 02:29:04,420 | 減稅然後跑到其他國家去 |
| 02:29:04,420 | 02:29:06,420 | 那你剛剛成立 |
| 02:29:06,420 | 02:29:08,420 | 工作小組我也認同 |
| 02:29:08,420 | 02:29:10,420 | 所以我剛一開始說好幾個國家 |
| 02:29:10,420 | 02:29:12,420 | 都已經法規牌 |
| 02:29:12,420 | 02:29:14,420 | 在那邊已經上路了 |
| 02:29:14,420 | 02:29:16,420 | 所以我才問說我們的問題到底出在哪裡 |
| 02:29:16,420 | 02:29:18,420 | 因為我們現在目前是課12% |
| 02:29:18,420 | 02:29:20,420 | 剩下那3% |
| 02:29:20,420 | 02:29:22,420 | 我們當然我擔心的是課不到 |
| 02:29:22,420 | 02:29:24,420 | 所以你現在到底進度到哪裡 |
| 02:29:28,420 | 02:29:30,420 | 委員這個部分 |
| 02:29:30,420 | 02:29:32,420 | 不是你一直說我成立工作小組 |
| 02:29:32,420 | 02:29:34,420 | 我知道你有成立工作小組 |
| 02:29:34,420 | 02:29:36,420 | 那但是從今年年初開始 |
| 02:29:36,420 | 02:29:38,420 | 我們已經討論這個問題 |
| 02:29:38,420 | 02:29:40,420 | 討論很久了 |
| 02:29:40,420 | 02:29:42,420 | 所以部長我們什麼時候 |
| 02:29:42,420 | 02:29:44,420 | 會有更具體的進度出來 |
| 02:29:44,420 | 02:29:46,420 | 我想這個部分我們會 |
| 02:29:46,420 | 02:29:48,420 | 是在你這邊有問題嗎 |
| 02:29:48,420 | 02:29:50,420 | 還是在行政院 |
| 02:29:50,420 | 02:29:52,420 | 不是在這邊有問題或在行政院 |
| 02:29:52,420 | 02:29:54,420 | 而是我們這個部分必須要做審慎的研議 |
| 02:29:54,420 | 02:29:56,420 | 而且目前來說 |
| 02:29:56,420 | 02:29:58,420 | 在慘創條例裡面 |
| 02:29:58,420 | 02:30:00,420 | 已經有一個就是說 |
| 02:30:00,420 | 02:30:02,420 | 他已經有一個要求就是如果沒有 |
| 02:30:02,420 | 02:30:04,420 | 達到15%的話 |
| 02:30:04,420 | 02:30:06,420 | 他必須按照15%來課這個稅 |
| 02:30:06,420 | 02:30:08,420 | 這個部分其實對於法國 |
| 02:30:08,420 | 02:30:10,420 | 那我就要跟你接著下去探討 |
| 02:30:10,420 | 02:30:12,420 | 就是說我們這個草案 |
| 02:30:12,420 | 02:30:14,420 | 114年度 |
| 02:30:14,420 | 02:30:16,420 | 已經開始到討論 |
| 02:30:16,420 | 02:30:18,420 | 從預告到現在已經一年半 |
| 02:30:18,420 | 02:30:20,420 | 我同意這件事情 |
| 02:30:20,420 | 02:30:22,420 | 應該審慎討論 |
| 02:30:22,420 | 02:30:24,420 | 但是我們現在台灣我們有一個 |
| 02:30:24,420 | 02:30:26,420 | 這個AMT |
| 02:30:26,420 | 02:30:28,420 | AMT並不是OECD國家 |
| 02:30:28,420 | 02:30:30,420 | 合格當地補充的稅制 |
| 02:30:30,420 | 02:30:32,420 | 所以我們 |
| 02:30:32,420 | 02:30:34,420 | 台灣的企業依法 |
| 02:30:34,420 | 02:30:36,420 | 繳納了稅但是 |
| 02:30:36,420 | 02:30:38,420 | 繳完之後我們也有可能 |
| 02:30:38,420 | 02:30:40,420 | 其他國家因為 |
| 02:30:40,420 | 02:30:42,420 | 所得涵蓋的原則 |
| 02:30:42,420 | 02:30:44,420 | 還有包括徵收不足的 |
| 02:30:44,420 | 02:30:46,420 | 利潤為原則就是我們的IIR |
| 02:30:46,420 | 02:30:48,420 | 跟UTPR |
| 02:30:48,420 | 02:30:50,420 | 同一筆金額 |
| 02:30:50,420 | 02:30:52,420 | 可能會有需要做到補充 |
| 02:30:52,420 | 02:30:54,420 | 補充課稅對同一筆所得的金額 |
| 02:30:54,420 | 02:30:56,420 | 變成補充課稅 |
| 02:30:56,420 | 02:30:58,420 | 這變成說企業在台灣繳的稅 |
| 02:30:58,420 | 02:31:00,420 | 變成沒有辦法抵繳 |
| 02:31:00,420 | 02:31:02,420 | 白白的會流到國外 |
| 02:31:02,420 | 02:31:04,420 | 就是說繳到其他國家去 |
| 02:31:04,420 | 02:31:06,420 | 這也不是我們願意看到 |
| 02:31:06,420 | 02:31:08,420 | 而變成是在本國的企業 |
| 02:31:08,420 | 02:31:10,420 | 變成要雙重他負擔國內的稅制 |
| 02:31:10,420 | 02:31:12,420 | 他又要負擔國外的稅制 |
| 02:31:12,420 | 02:31:14,420 | 這是我們擔心的問題 |
| 02:31:14,420 | 02:31:16,420 | 所以為什麼我急著 |
| 02:31:16,420 | 02:31:18,420 | 這一年半的時間我們草案 |
| 02:31:18,420 | 02:31:20,420 | 已經討論一年半 |
| 02:31:20,420 | 02:31:22,420 | 所以說你已經有專案小組原則 |
| 02:31:22,420 | 02:31:24,420 | 但我一直關心進度 |
| 02:31:24,420 | 02:31:26,420 | 保護台灣的企業 |
| 02:31:26,420 | 02:31:28,420 | 讓稅你剛講的 |
| 02:31:28,420 | 02:31:30,420 | 課稅權旁落的原則 |
| 02:31:30,420 | 02:31:32,420 | 我們希望保護台灣企業不要讓他在國內 |
| 02:31:32,420 | 02:31:34,420 | 已經講的稅在國外又不認同 |
| 02:31:34,420 | 02:31:36,420 | 在國外又被扣了稅 |
| 02:31:36,420 | 02:31:38,420 | 那我們也希望服務OECD國家 |
| 02:31:38,420 | 02:31:40,420 | 那稅制留在台灣 |
| 02:31:40,420 | 02:31:42,420 | 所以我們才要趕快上路 |
| 02:31:42,420 | 02:31:44,420 | 我接著質詢應該很善意吧 |
| 02:31:44,420 | 02:31:46,420 | 部長 |
| 02:31:46,420 | 02:31:48,420 | 委員您提到就是一個重點 |
| 02:31:48,420 | 02:31:50,420 | 第一個 |
| 02:31:50,420 | 02:31:52,420 | 最低稅付制避免是 |
| 02:31:52,420 | 02:31:54,420 | 我們的課稅主權旁落國家 |
| 02:31:54,420 | 02:31:56,420 | 但是也要避免我們被重複課稅 |
| 02:31:56,420 | 02:31:58,420 | 我們被重複課稅 |
| 02:31:58,420 | 02:32:00,420 | 所以我們這個部分 |
| 02:32:00,420 | 02:32:02,420 | 關鍵是 裁判長我問一個問題 |
| 02:32:02,420 | 02:32:04,420 | 我們的AMT在國際上 |
| 02:32:04,420 | 02:32:06,420 | 是不是被國際認同 |
| 02:32:06,420 | 02:32:08,420 | AMT是我們國內自己的稅制 |
| 02:32:08,420 | 02:32:10,420 | 是 |
| 02:32:10,420 | 02:32:12,420 | 就是說我們收了很多稅 |
| 02:32:12,420 | 02:32:14,420 | 國外並不一定認同 |
| 02:32:14,420 | 02:32:16,420 | 所以有可能有同一家企業 |
| 02:32:16,420 | 02:32:18,420 | 國外收了稅 但在國外還是認為說 |
| 02:32:18,420 | 02:32:20,420 | 你沒有達到15% |
| 02:32:20,420 | 02:32:22,420 | 所以我要課你不足15%部分 |
| 02:32:22,420 | 02:32:24,420 | 有可能嘛 對不對 |
| 02:32:24,420 | 02:32:26,420 | 所以我才關心這整件事情的進度 |
| 02:32:26,420 | 02:32:28,420 | 所以委員您剛剛也提到 |
| 02:32:28,420 | 02:32:30,420 | 一個就是說我們不能課稅全旁落 |
| 02:32:30,420 | 02:32:32,420 | 同時也不能重複課稅 |
| 02:32:32,420 | 02:32:34,420 | 所以我們才提到說 |
| 02:32:34,420 | 02:32:36,420 | 我們因為不是OECD裡面 |
| 02:32:36,420 | 02:32:38,420 | RF的成員國 |
| 02:32:38,420 | 02:32:40,420 | 所以他在檢視我們 |
| 02:32:40,420 | 02:32:42,420 | 課這個稅的時候 |
| 02:32:42,420 | 02:32:44,420 | 他要不要承認我們課這個稅 |
| 02:32:44,420 | 02:32:46,420 | 因為他會被人家去重複課稅 |
| 02:32:46,420 | 02:32:48,420 | 這就是我們要去檢視他 |
| 02:32:48,420 | 02:32:50,420 | 對於這樣的國家如何做檢視 |
| 02:32:50,420 | 02:32:52,420 | 但是他這個文件 |
| 02:32:52,420 | 02:32:54,420 | 到目前都還沒有 |
| 02:32:54,420 | 02:32:56,420 | 還沒有發佈 |
| 02:32:56,420 | 02:32:58,420 | 這個檢視文件還沒有發佈 |
| 02:32:58,420 | 02:33:00,420 | 是我們的檢視文件 |
| 02:33:00,420 | 02:33:02,420 | 還是他們的檢視文件 |
| 02:33:02,420 | 02:33:04,420 | 你說OECD國家的 |
| 02:33:04,420 | 02:33:06,420 | OECD對於不是RF成員國裡面 |
| 02:33:06,420 | 02:33:08,420 | 他課徵所謂的相關的稅 |
| 02:33:08,420 | 02:33:10,420 | 部長 |
| 02:33:10,420 | 02:33:12,420 | 不管OECD國家 |
| 02:33:12,420 | 02:33:14,420 | 他有沒有承認在其他國家 |
| 02:33:14,420 | 02:33:16,420 | 有可能成員 |
| 02:33:16,420 | 02:33:18,420 | 有可能還是被課稅 |
| 02:33:18,420 | 02:33:20,420 | 跟委員 |
| 02:33:20,420 | 02:33:22,420 | 這個是跟委員剛剛告告的 |
| 02:33:22,420 | 02:33:24,420 | 他被重複課稅他要跟誰生父 |
| 02:33:24,420 | 02:33:26,420 | 是啊所以我們這就是 |
| 02:33:26,420 | 02:33:28,420 | 我們目前說再提到的 |
| 02:33:28,420 | 02:33:30,420 | 我在國外再扣一次拿回來 |
| 02:33:30,420 | 02:33:32,420 | 你已經扣我一次 |
| 02:33:32,420 | 02:33:34,420 | 我們要避免這樣的一個情況 |
| 02:33:34,420 | 02:33:36,420 | 所以這就是現在我們在 |
| 02:33:36,420 | 02:33:38,420 | 討論的時候談到的事情 |
| 02:33:38,420 | 02:33:40,420 | 那還要多久 |
| 02:33:40,420 | 02:33:42,420 | 當然接受複查也不一定會過 |
| 02:33:42,420 | 02:33:44,420 | 我這邊就有好幾個案例 |
| 02:33:44,420 | 02:33:46,420 | 所以我才說我們趕快 |
| 02:33:46,420 | 02:33:48,420 | 符合國際法規接軌 |
| 02:33:48,420 | 02:33:50,420 | 是的然後也保護台灣的產業 |
| 02:33:50,420 | 02:33:52,420 | 那所以你還要多久 |
| 02:33:52,420 | 02:33:54,420 | 這個部分我們想盡快我們可以 |
| 02:33:54,420 | 02:33:56,420 | 再把他一個研究通過出來 |
| 02:33:56,420 | 02:33:58,420 | 部長我是這樣看的 |
| 02:33:58,420 | 02:34:00,420 | 我覺得財政部在最近 |
| 02:34:00,420 | 02:34:02,420 | 包括上個禮拜我們討論的那個 |
| 02:34:02,420 | 02:34:04,420 | 一正稅法大法官 |
| 02:34:04,420 | 02:34:06,420 | 就是在最後關鍵兩年已經時間快到了 |
| 02:34:06,420 | 02:34:08,420 | 我們法案還沒送出來 |
| 02:34:08,420 | 02:34:10,420 | 還有我今天關心 |
| 02:34:10,420 | 02:34:12,420 | 我覺得我們很多重要的法規 |
| 02:34:12,420 | 02:34:14,420 | 法案速度都 |
| 02:34:14,420 | 02:34:16,420 | 稍嫌慢了一些 |
| 02:34:16,420 | 02:34:18,420 | 部長我今天很客氣 |
| 02:34:18,420 | 02:34:20,420 | 所以我覺得一正稅法明天 |
| 02:34:20,420 | 02:34:22,420 | 這對產業的影響衝擊 |
| 02:34:22,420 | 02:34:24,420 | 是非常大的 |
| 02:34:24,420 | 02:34:26,420 | 好一正稅法明天就會提報院會了 |
| 02:34:26,420 | 02:34:28,420 | 是好部長 |
| 02:34:28,420 | 02:34:30,420 | 這個也是所以部長我要提醒你 |
| 02:34:30,420 | 02:34:32,420 | 我覺得我們 |
| 02:34:32,420 | 02:34:34,420 | 租稅優惠的結構 |
| 02:34:34,420 | 02:34:36,420 | 整體的結構是有點失靈的狀況 |
| 02:34:36,420 | 02:34:38,420 | 是不是可以順便請一下我們經濟部 |
| 02:34:38,420 | 02:34:40,420 | 發展署 |
| 02:34:40,420 | 02:34:42,420 | 我為什麼這麼說 |
| 02:34:42,420 | 02:34:44,420 | 我們產券條例 |
| 02:34:44,420 | 02:34:46,420 | 產業創新條例裡面 |
| 02:34:46,420 | 02:34:48,420 | 取得越多投資抵減的企業 |
| 02:34:48,420 | 02:34:50,420 | 在租稅優惠有優惠的部分 |
| 02:34:50,420 | 02:34:52,420 | 反而 |
| 02:34:52,420 | 02:34:54,420 | 其中稅率被壓得更低 |
| 02:34:54,420 | 02:34:56,420 | 然後也觸發補稅門檻的風險 |
| 02:34:56,420 | 02:34:58,420 | 也有可能上升 |
| 02:34:58,420 | 02:35:00,420 | 所以在GMT時代 |
| 02:35:00,420 | 02:35:02,420 | 反而成為未來會觸發 |
| 02:35:02,420 | 02:35:04,420 | 補稅的未爆彈 |
| 02:35:04,420 | 02:35:06,420 | 就是我剛才講的 |
| 02:35:06,420 | 02:35:08,420 | 他賺的越多利潤越多 |
| 02:35:08,420 | 02:35:10,420 | 有時候在產業創新條例裡面 |
| 02:35:10,420 | 02:35:12,420 | 因為他有很多的租稅優惠在裡面 |
| 02:35:12,420 | 02:35:14,420 | 反而相對的在GMT的時代 |
| 02:35:14,420 | 02:35:16,420 | 有可能 |
| 02:35:16,420 | 02:35:18,420 | 到其他國家去他可能觸發要 |
| 02:35:18,420 | 02:35:20,420 | 補稅對不對 |
| 02:35:20,420 | 02:35:22,420 | 部長你了解我的意思嗎因為我們現在對於很多產業 |
| 02:35:22,420 | 02:35:24,420 | 我們有一些租稅的優惠 |
| 02:35:24,420 | 02:35:26,420 | 經濟部也很清楚 |
| 02:35:26,420 | 02:35:28,420 | 那反而 |
| 02:35:28,420 | 02:35:30,420 | 賺的越多他反而在GMT |
| 02:35:30,420 | 02:35:32,420 | 他有可能有補稅的可能性 |
| 02:35:32,420 | 02:35:34,420 | 另外在我們的 |
| 02:35:34,420 | 02:35:36,420 | 產業創新條例裡面 |
| 02:35:36,420 | 02:35:38,420 | 第十條之二 |
| 02:35:38,420 | 02:35:40,420 | 台版的經驗法當中 |
| 02:35:40,420 | 02:35:42,420 | 我們又要求說 |
| 02:35:42,420 | 02:35:44,420 | 抵減稅的一些條件 |
| 02:35:44,420 | 02:35:46,420 | 最重要的是 |
| 02:35:46,420 | 02:35:48,420 | 有效稅必須要達到15% |
| 02:35:48,420 | 02:35:50,420 | 才能夠抵減 |
| 02:35:50,420 | 02:35:52,420 | 所以在產業創新條例裡面 |
| 02:35:52,420 | 02:35:54,420 | 光是我講的這兩條 |
| 02:35:54,420 | 02:35:56,420 | 他就有抵觸的地方 |
| 02:35:56,420 | 02:35:58,420 | 我們一邊 |
| 02:35:58,420 | 02:36:00,420 | 又要求說台灣經驗法裡面 |
| 02:36:00,420 | 02:36:02,420 | 我們鼓勵企業就是說你一定要 |
| 02:36:02,420 | 02:36:04,420 | 15%以上我們才能夠抵稅 |
| 02:36:04,420 | 02:36:06,420 | 但是在某一些企業裡面 |
| 02:36:06,420 | 02:36:08,420 | 我們又講說 |
| 02:36:08,420 | 02:36:10,420 | 減的越多 |
| 02:36:10,420 | 02:36:12,420 | 就是說賺的越多 |
| 02:36:12,420 | 02:36:14,420 | 然後我們有一些稅率 |
| 02:36:14,420 | 02:36:16,420 | 的優惠壓的越低 |
| 02:36:16,420 | 02:36:18,420 | 反而有補稅的門檻 |
| 02:36:18,420 | 02:36:20,420 | 所以我要提一個案例是上次我也提過的 |
| 02:36:20,420 | 02:36:22,420 | 就是說在國際上包括 |
| 02:36:22,420 | 02:36:24,420 | 新加坡跟越南他們已經迅速的 |
| 02:36:24,420 | 02:36:26,420 | 針對GMT他們有 |
| 02:36:26,420 | 02:36:28,420 | 做了一些改變過去 |
| 02:36:28,420 | 02:36:30,420 | 傳統的租稅獎勵轉為現金補貼 |
| 02:36:32,420 | 02:36:34,420 | 我不再用租稅優惠 |
| 02:36:34,420 | 02:36:36,420 | 因為15%嘛 |
| 02:36:36,420 | 02:36:38,420 | 所以我現在用現金補貼跟現金退稅的 |
| 02:36:38,420 | 02:36:40,420 | 實質的誘因 |
| 02:36:40,420 | 02:36:42,420 | 來避免就是說剛才我講 |
| 02:36:42,420 | 02:36:44,420 | 產業創新條例很抵觸的地方 |
| 02:36:44,420 | 02:36:46,420 | 所以部長 |
| 02:36:46,420 | 02:36:48,420 | 我們這個部分有沒有可能進行研議 |
| 02:36:50,420 | 02:36:52,420 | 謝謝委員這個就是我們 |
| 02:36:52,420 | 02:36:54,420 | 財政部每次都會 |
| 02:36:54,420 | 02:36:56,420 | 提的各部會提出租稅優惠 |
| 02:36:56,420 | 02:36:58,420 | 的時候我們都必須要提出 |
| 02:36:58,420 | 02:37:00,420 | 或者是委員們的提案的時候 |
| 02:37:00,420 | 02:37:02,420 | 都提到財政紀律法 |
| 02:37:02,420 | 02:37:04,420 | 裡面一再提到的就是 |
| 02:37:04,420 | 02:37:06,420 | 所以部長你這個部分會放進去 |
| 02:37:06,420 | 02:37:08,420 | 研議嗎?因為你現在還沒出來嘛 |
| 02:37:08,420 | 02:37:10,420 | 租稅優惠不可過度 |
| 02:37:10,420 | 02:37:12,420 | 我們一直有在強調 |
| 02:37:12,420 | 02:37:14,420 | 所以你講的租稅優惠 |
| 02:37:14,420 | 02:37:16,420 | 是過度未來像新加坡跟越南 |
| 02:37:16,420 | 02:37:18,420 | 的做法 |
| 02:37:18,420 | 02:37:20,420 | 那當然這個部分 |
| 02:37:20,420 | 02:37:22,420 | 有些相關的補貼補助的部分 |
| 02:37:22,420 | 02:37:24,420 | 是屬於經濟部的一個權責 |
| 02:37:24,420 | 02:37:26,420 | 所以經濟部 |
| 02:37:26,420 | 02:37:28,420 | 那經濟部可不可以回應我 |
| 02:37:28,420 | 02:37:30,420 | 是,跟委員報告 |
| 02:37:30,420 | 02:37:32,420 | 目前我們產創條例第九條 |
| 02:37:32,420 | 02:37:34,420 | 的補貼的部分是政府補助 |
| 02:37:34,420 | 02:37:36,420 | 那目前是針對 |
| 02:37:36,420 | 02:37:38,420 | 研發做補助 |
| 02:37:38,420 | 02:37:40,420 | 所以業者只要針對研發面 |
| 02:37:40,420 | 02:37:42,420 | 有需要相關的一些 |
| 02:37:42,420 | 02:37:44,420 | 那你這樣怎麼還是沒有回應到我的問題 |
| 02:37:44,420 | 02:37:46,420 | 部長你很清楚整套 |
| 02:37:46,420 | 02:37:48,420 | 矛盾在哪裡嗎?你很知道 |
| 02:37:48,420 | 02:37:50,420 | 整套經濟部,因為這個是一個跨 |
| 02:37:50,420 | 02:37:52,420 | 部會的問題 |
| 02:37:52,420 | 02:37:54,420 | 你剛剛說要審慎研議 |
| 02:37:54,420 | 02:37:56,420 | 我們有專案小組,也有把經濟部納進來 |
| 02:37:56,420 | 02:37:58,420 | 這就是其他國家是跨部會 |
| 02:37:58,420 | 02:38:00,420 | 再去處理這整個問題 |
| 02:38:00,420 | 02:38:02,420 | 那你現在有專案小組 |
| 02:38:02,420 | 02:38:04,420 | 是一個跨部會的專案小組 |
| 02:38:04,420 | 02:38:06,420 | 我也認同 |
| 02:38:06,420 | 02:38:08,420 | 所以我們才要解決問題 |
| 02:38:08,420 | 02:38:10,420 | 你有一年半的時間在研議這些問題 |
| 02:38:10,420 | 02:38:12,420 | 那居然現在經濟部還是回答說 |
| 02:38:12,420 | 02:38:14,420 | 我們這個是針對研發的部分 |
| 02:38:14,420 | 02:38:16,420 | 所以我們這整件事情 |
| 02:38:16,420 | 02:38:18,420 | 有專案小組,但是沒有跨部會 |
| 02:38:18,420 | 02:38:20,420 | 解決問題,這就是我今天質詢的重點 |
| 02:38:20,420 | 02:38:22,420 | 所以我有三個具體要求 |
| 02:38:22,420 | 02:38:24,420 | 我也不在用別人時間 |
| 02:38:24,420 | 02:38:26,420 | 第一個,我們想辦法加速 |
| 02:38:26,420 | 02:38:28,420 | 符合OECD標準的QDMTT |
| 02:38:28,420 | 02:38:30,420 | 確保我們未來稅收 |
| 02:38:30,420 | 02:38:32,420 | 百分之百可以留在台灣 |
| 02:38:32,420 | 02:38:34,420 | 這是你我共同的目標 |
| 02:38:34,420 | 02:38:36,420 | 第二,在保護跨國企業 |
| 02:38:36,420 | 02:38:38,420 | 順利接軌GMP之前 |
| 02:38:38,420 | 02:38:40,420 | 我們要積極輔導企業 |
| 02:38:40,420 | 02:38:42,420 | 適用避風港的條款 |
| 02:38:42,420 | 02:38:44,420 | 可以降低企業遵循成本 |
| 02:38:44,420 | 02:38:46,420 | 那第三,經濟部 |
| 02:38:46,420 | 02:38:48,420 | 我認為經濟部應該即刻研議 |
| 02:38:48,420 | 02:38:51,420 | 所以體檢專心為實質現金 |
| 02:38:51,420 | 02:38:55,420 | 也是比照新加坡跟越南的方式的防疫策略 |
| 02:38:55,420 | 02:38:58,420 | 我想這三個比較具體的建議 |
| 02:38:58,420 | 02:39:00,420 | 當然是我個人的想法 |
| 02:39:00,420 | 02:39:02,420 | 但是我非常期望 |
| 02:39:02,420 | 02:39:05,420 | 這是一個跨部會的整體的政策問題 |
| 02:39:05,420 | 02:39:08,420 | 面對台灣有這麼多跨國 |
| 02:39:08,420 | 02:39:11,420 | 我們的護國群山 |
| 02:39:11,420 | 02:39:14,420 | 我覺得我們要想辦法跨部會 |
| 02:39:14,420 | 02:39:16,420 | 來去解決這些問題 |
| 02:39:16,420 | 02:39:19,420 | 所以經濟部長可以再多給你一點點時間 |
| 02:39:19,420 | 02:39:22,420 | 但是這個絕對不能研議在小組裡面 |
| 02:39:22,420 | 02:39:24,420 | 但是今天我聽到經濟部的回應 |
| 02:39:24,420 | 02:39:26,420 | 我覺得你們沒有跨部會的研究 |
| 02:39:26,420 | 02:39:28,420 | 這是我覺得非常遺憾的地方 |
| 02:39:28,420 | 02:39:30,420 | 所以GNT喊了這麼久 |
| 02:39:30,420 | 02:39:32,420 | 我覺得還是只上作業 |
| 02:39:32,420 | 02:39:33,420 | 以上這是我今天的質詢 |
| 02:39:33,420 | 02:39:34,420 | 謝謝委員 |
| 02:39:34,420 | 02:39:36,420 | 好,謝謝李安修委員 |
| 02:39:36,420 | 02:39:39,420 | 接下來請王世堅委員質詢 |
| 02:39:46,420 | 02:39:48,420 | 謝謝主席,我請莊部長 |
| 02:39:48,420 | 02:39:50,420 | 請莊部長 |
| 02:39:55,420 | 02:39:56,420 | 委員好 |
| 02:39:56,420 | 02:39:58,420 | 莊部長,辛苦了 |
| 02:39:58,420 | 02:40:01,420 | 不過我看了這份報告 |
| 02:40:01,420 | 02:40:04,420 | 我才斷然發現說 |
| 02:40:04,420 | 02:40:08,420 | 我們對台灣的防疫策略 |
| 02:40:08,420 | 02:40:10,420 | 是非常重要的 |
| 02:40:10,420 | 02:40:12,420 | 所以我希望我們可以再多給你一點時間 |
| 02:40:12,420 | 02:40:15,420 | 我才斷然發現說 |
| 02:40:15,420 | 02:40:18,420 | 我們財政部 |
| 02:40:20,420 | 02:40:26,420 | 居然自認為是經濟部的小弟就對了 |
| 02:40:26,420 | 02:40:29,420 | 今天這麼重大的 |
| 02:40:29,420 | 02:40:34,420 | 關於關稅的這個大家的討論 |
| 02:40:34,420 | 02:40:41,420 | 經濟部只派了一位產業發展署副署長來 |
| 02:40:41,420 | 02:40:43,420 | 這個不打緊喔 |
| 02:40:43,420 | 02:40:45,420 | 部長,這完全不對稱 |
| 02:40:45,420 | 02:40:46,420 | 你是部長 |
| 02:40:46,420 | 02:40:49,420 | 他派個副署長來不打緊 |
| 02:40:49,420 | 02:40:52,420 | 你看在這一份報告 |
| 02:40:52,420 | 02:40:55,420 | 你們的這一份財政部 |
| 02:40:55,420 | 02:40:57,420 | 以你具名 |
| 02:40:57,420 | 02:40:59,420 | 部長具名的報告裡面 |
| 02:40:59,420 | 02:41:04,420 | 你們全部在幫經濟部講話 |
| 02:41:04,420 | 02:41:07,420 | 曾幾何時 |
| 02:41:07,420 | 02:41:11,420 | 財政部在關稅這一部分的討論 |
| 02:41:11,420 | 02:41:16,420 | 竟然當經濟部的小弟就對了 |
| 02:41:16,420 | 02:41:19,420 | 叫他發來發去 |
| 02:41:19,420 | 02:41:23,420 | 我現在跟你正式提案的 |
| 02:41:23,420 | 02:41:25,420 | 包括我 |
| 02:41:25,420 | 02:41:27,420 | 我們今天總共 |
| 02:41:27,420 | 02:41:30,420 | 有七位委員先前 |
| 02:41:30,420 | 02:41:34,420 | 這兩年多來針對關稅的提案 |
| 02:41:34,420 | 02:41:36,420 | 我的最徹底 |
| 02:41:36,420 | 02:41:39,420 | 我認為進口這關稅就是降到零 |
| 02:41:39,420 | 02:41:42,420 | 所以你們第一筆就完全針對我 |
| 02:41:42,420 | 02:41:46,420 | 你們這一個正式的財政部的報告裡面 |
| 02:41:46,420 | 02:41:49,420 | 就這三頁 |
| 02:41:49,420 | 02:41:53,420 | 就這三頁的報告裡面 |
| 02:41:53,420 | 02:41:58,420 | 等於有一整頁都通通在談我的這個事情 |
| 02:41:58,420 | 02:42:01,420 | 說我降到零這個嚴重性 |
| 02:42:01,420 | 02:42:02,420 | 好 |
| 02:42:02,420 | 02:42:06,420 | 我先從經濟部 |
| 02:42:06,420 | 02:42:08,420 | 你們的老大哥 |
| 02:42:08,420 | 02:42:09,420 | 他講的 |
| 02:42:09,420 | 02:42:14,420 | 他說汽車關稅如果重降 |
| 02:42:14,420 | 02:42:16,420 | 甚至像我說的降到零 |
| 02:42:16,420 | 02:42:22,420 | 他說會讓我們國產車的製造者 |
| 02:42:22,420 | 02:42:25,420 | 這些廠商會撤離 |
| 02:42:25,420 | 02:42:28,420 | 他說影響啊 |
| 02:42:28,420 | 02:42:31,420 | 先前第一次他來報告的時候 |
| 02:42:31,420 | 02:42:33,420 | 他說影響十幾萬人 |
| 02:42:33,420 | 02:42:34,420 | 我糾正他以後 |
| 02:42:34,420 | 02:42:37,420 | 他今天把這個數字降了 |
| 02:42:37,420 | 02:42:40,420 | 他降到我講的實際數字 |
| 02:42:40,420 | 02:42:43,420 | 他說八萬多人啊 |
| 02:42:43,420 | 02:42:48,420 | 但是部長我上次就講了啊 |
| 02:42:48,420 | 02:42:50,420 | 其實影響到的 |
| 02:42:50,420 | 02:42:53,420 | 我們國內的汽車製造業者 |
| 02:42:53,420 | 02:42:55,420 | 你要分兩大部分 |
| 02:42:55,420 | 02:42:58,420 | 一個部分是整車的業者 |
| 02:42:58,420 | 02:43:00,420 | 那個部分才一萬一千人 |
| 02:43:00,420 | 02:43:05,420 | 最重要的是我們的零組件 |
| 02:43:05,420 | 02:43:09,420 | 零組件將近八萬多人的從業人員裡面 |
| 02:43:09,420 | 02:43:14,420 | 人家我們的零組件超強的 |
| 02:43:14,420 | 02:43:17,420 | 我們在出口光是到美國的就好 |
| 02:43:17,420 | 02:43:20,420 | 我們出口到美國的產品裡面 |
| 02:43:20,420 | 02:43:23,420 | 我們台灣製造的產品裡面 |
| 02:43:23,420 | 02:43:26,420 | 出口的第十大 |
| 02:43:26,420 | 02:43:30,420 | 就是我們的汽車零組件 |
| 02:43:30,420 | 02:43:34,420 | 我們汽車零組件每一年的產值多少 |
| 02:43:34,420 | 02:43:43,420 | 我們零組件高達一千三百二十九億一年 |
| 02:43:43,420 | 02:43:45,420 | 我們的汽車零組件一年 |
| 02:43:45,420 | 02:43:48,420 | 高達一千三百二十九億的出口 |
| 02:43:48,420 | 02:43:58,420 | 完全不會受進口車關稅降到零的任何影響 |
| 02:43:58,420 | 02:44:00,420 | 甚至我們會更強 |
| 02:44:00,420 | 02:44:02,420 | 不是嗎 |
| 02:44:02,420 | 02:44:10,420 | 所以經濟部的那個講法完全胡說八道 |
| 02:44:10,420 | 02:44:13,420 | 我不怪經濟部那種講法啦 |
| 02:44:13,420 | 02:44:17,420 | 本來經濟部就是比較天馬行空嘛 |
| 02:44:17,420 | 02:44:20,420 | 但是你財政部不一樣耶 |
| 02:44:20,420 | 02:44:22,420 | 財政部是很務實的 |
| 02:44:22,420 | 02:44:26,420 | 每一毛錢我們都要去算稅金 |
| 02:44:26,420 | 02:44:27,420 | 不是這樣嗎 |
| 02:44:27,420 | 02:44:32,420 | 你給我們的數字都是最詳實 |
| 02:44:32,420 | 02:44:34,420 | 而且最確切的嘛 |
| 02:44:34,420 | 02:44:39,420 | 經濟部本來他去想政策一些發展 |
| 02:44:39,420 | 02:44:45,420 | 本來他就會比較這種活潑式的幻想式的 |
| 02:44:45,420 | 02:44:46,420 | 這個我不怪他 |
| 02:44:46,420 | 02:44:48,420 | 但是他不對的部分 |
| 02:44:48,420 | 02:44:51,420 | 你要糾正他 |
| 02:44:51,420 | 02:44:53,420 | 不是這樣嗎 |
| 02:44:53,420 | 02:44:55,420 | 怎麼你可以把他錯誤的部分 |
| 02:44:55,420 | 02:45:00,420 | 我上次質詢都已經糾正過他的 |
| 02:45:00,420 | 02:45:02,420 | 結果那個錯誤數字 |
| 02:45:02,420 | 02:45:05,420 | 你又把他灌到這一次的報告裡面 |
| 02:45:05,420 | 02:45:10,420 | 所以你說要把進口車關稅降到零 |
| 02:45:10,420 | 02:45:11,420 | 你說萬萬不可 |
| 02:45:11,420 | 02:45:18,420 | 因為那個你說孔佑國產車相繼撤離之餘 |
| 02:45:18,420 | 02:45:22,420 | 影響約847元的產值 |
| 02:45:22,420 | 02:45:26,420 | 及8.26萬位從業人員生計 |
| 02:45:26,420 | 02:45:28,420 | 我就說這個數字是錯的 |
| 02:45:28,420 | 02:45:31,420 | 8.26萬是我上次糾正過他 |
| 02:45:31,420 | 02:45:33,420 | 他倒正了 |
| 02:45:33,420 | 02:45:35,420 | 他本來說十幾萬 |
| 02:45:35,420 | 02:45:36,420 | 現在說8.26萬 |
| 02:45:36,420 | 02:45:38,420 | 但是我要跟你說 |
| 02:45:38,420 | 02:45:43,420 | 這些零組件8.26萬位從業人員 |
| 02:45:43,420 | 02:45:45,420 | 人家他們工作很勤奮 |
| 02:45:45,420 | 02:45:49,420 | 他的工作完全不受影響 |
| 02:45:49,420 | 02:45:53,420 | 影響的是像裕隆那個 |
| 02:45:53,420 | 02:45:55,420 | 我們保護他70幾年 |
| 02:45:55,420 | 02:45:58,420 | 這個阿斗保護他70幾年了 |
| 02:45:58,420 | 02:46:03,420 | 我們還要保護這個阿斗保護多久 |
| 02:46:03,420 | 02:46:06,420 | 他也不失本業的發展 |
| 02:46:06,420 | 02:46:10,420 | 他也跑去做租賃啊 |
| 02:46:10,420 | 02:46:12,420 | 地下的錢莊 |
| 02:46:12,420 | 02:46:14,420 | 有盤的地下的錢莊 |
| 02:46:14,420 | 02:46:16,420 | 最大的就是他們耶 |
| 02:46:16,420 | 02:46:19,420 | 我們還要再保護他什麼 |
| 02:46:19,420 | 02:46:22,420 | 那你說你又說啦 |
| 02:46:22,420 | 02:46:25,420 | 這一點是我們自己財政部的理由 |
| 02:46:25,420 | 02:46:28,420 | 這個我接受 |
| 02:46:28,420 | 02:46:31,420 | 你說這個關稅300多億 |
| 02:46:31,420 | 02:46:33,420 | 但是才300多億 |
| 02:46:33,420 | 02:46:35,420 | 你在報告裡面把它寫到說 |
| 02:46:35,420 | 02:46:38,420 | 這個不得了這個稅金是400多億 |
| 02:46:38,420 | 02:46:41,420 | 你給我你這個報告裡面的數字 |
| 02:46:41,420 | 02:46:45,420 | 是說進稅損523億至601億 |
| 02:46:45,420 | 02:46:49,420 | 336億的關稅 |
| 02:46:49,420 | 02:46:51,420 | 你們膨脹到500多億 |
| 02:46:51,420 | 02:46:52,420 | 原因是什麼 |
| 02:46:52,420 | 02:46:56,420 | 你把進口車的貨物稅也算進去耶 |
| 02:46:56,420 | 02:46:59,420 | 進口車我們的提案 |
| 02:46:59,420 | 02:47:02,420 | 我的其他委員的寶貴的提案 |
| 02:47:02,420 | 02:47:04,420 | 寶貴的提案統統一樣 |
| 02:47:04,420 | 02:47:06,420 | 只是說降關稅 |
| 02:47:06,420 | 02:47:10,420 | 進口車一樣要收貨物稅啊 |
| 02:47:10,420 | 02:47:12,420 | 他現在進口的量 |
| 02:47:12,420 | 02:47:15,420 | 多少付貨物稅以後照收 |
| 02:47:15,420 | 02:47:18,420 | 以後降了關稅進口的量大增 |
| 02:47:18,420 | 02:47:20,420 | 進口增加多少量 |
| 02:47:20,420 | 02:47:24,420 | 我們照收那些貨物稅啊 |
| 02:47:24,420 | 02:47:26,420 | 所以沒有貨物稅的問題 |
| 02:47:26,420 | 02:47:28,420 | 我們談的是關稅 |
| 02:47:28,420 | 02:47:30,420 | 所以我再一次強調 |
| 02:47:30,420 | 02:47:32,420 | 進口車關稅降到零 |
| 02:47:32,420 | 02:47:39,420 | 這是還我們全國所有車輛消費者 |
| 02:47:39,420 | 02:47:41,420 | 還他們一個公道 |
| 02:47:41,420 | 02:47:45,420 | 讓大家能夠跟全世界各國的人一樣 |
| 02:47:45,420 | 02:47:50,420 | 享用價廉物美的這個國外的車輛 |
| 02:47:50,420 | 02:47:53,420 | 大家一起來評比嘛 |
| 02:47:53,420 | 02:47:54,420 | 對不對 |
| 02:47:54,420 | 02:47:57,420 | 那至於說會不會影響到 |
| 02:47:57,420 | 02:47:59,420 | 我們國內汽車產業 |
| 02:47:59,420 | 02:48:01,420 | 我就是跟你說明 |
| 02:48:01,420 | 02:48:02,420 | 90%不影響 |
| 02:48:02,420 | 02:48:06,420 | 因為我們90%是零主建 |
| 02:48:06,420 | 02:48:07,420 | 我們的零主建 |
| 02:48:07,420 | 02:48:13,420 | 我們從車燈離合器變速箱氣囊 |
| 02:48:13,420 | 02:48:15,420 | 我們這些都是世界各國 |
| 02:48:15,420 | 02:48:17,420 | 尤其先進國家 |
| 02:48:17,420 | 02:48:19,420 | 他們都熱切希望 |
| 02:48:19,420 | 02:48:23,420 | 熱切從我們台灣出口 |
| 02:48:23,420 | 02:48:25,420 | 進口到他們國家去的嘛 |
| 02:48:25,420 | 02:48:28,420 | 所以這個部分產業的不受影響 |
| 02:48:28,420 | 02:48:31,420 | 我希望部長你要 |
| 02:48:31,420 | 02:48:34,420 | 你要這個鼓起勇氣 |
| 02:48:34,420 | 02:48:37,420 | 大聲的跟經濟部說 |
| 02:48:37,420 | 02:48:39,420 | 你講的這些 |
| 02:48:39,420 | 02:48:43,420 | 你要我財政部代你發言的這一些裡面 |
| 02:48:43,420 | 02:48:46,420 | 有很多是謬誤的 |
| 02:48:46,420 | 02:48:49,420 | 你要大聲跟他這樣講 |
| 02:48:49,420 | 02:48:51,420 | 然後你針對財稅的 |
| 02:48:51,420 | 02:48:54,420 | 你來跟我們所有的提案的委員說 |
| 02:48:54,420 | 02:48:57,420 | 你要降關稅這個是影響多少 |
| 02:48:57,420 | 02:48:59,420 | 這個我們來討論 |
| 02:48:59,420 | 02:49:02,420 | 但是不要把整個產業說 |
| 02:49:02,420 | 02:49:06,420 | 他們會從我們國內消失 |
| 02:49:06,420 | 02:49:09,420 | 會撤離會影響多少從業人員 |
| 02:49:09,420 | 02:49:12,420 | 這個部分是他們經濟部 |
| 02:49:12,420 | 02:49:15,420 | 一個錯誤虛幻的想法 |
| 02:49:15,420 | 02:49:18,420 | 這個部分大家要理清楚好不好 |
| 02:49:18,420 | 02:49:20,420 | 部長你的看法 |
| 02:49:20,420 | 02:49:21,420 | 謝謝委員的指教 |
| 02:49:21,420 | 02:49:23,420 | 我想在這裡面有特別提到 |
| 02:49:23,420 | 02:49:25,420 | 經濟部和財政部 |
| 02:49:25,420 | 02:49:28,420 | 財政部基本上我們都是行政團隊的議員 |
| 02:49:28,420 | 02:49:30,420 | 我們各有職長 |
| 02:49:30,420 | 02:49:32,420 | 在海關這個部分的關稅 |
| 02:49:32,420 | 02:49:34,420 | 當然有海關進口稅則的規定 |
| 02:49:34,420 | 02:49:37,420 | 但是關稅裡面除了稅收之外 |
| 02:49:37,420 | 02:49:41,420 | 還有很重要一個就是國內產業的相關的一些影響 |
| 02:49:41,420 | 02:49:43,420 | 國內產業的相關影響 |
| 02:49:43,420 | 02:49:46,420 | 目前他的主管機關就是經濟部 |
| 02:49:46,420 | 02:49:48,420 | 至於他的數字等等這個部分 |
| 02:49:48,420 | 02:49:51,420 | 我相信我們今天的經濟部代表也在現場 |
| 02:49:51,420 | 02:49:54,420 | 他也都會聽到委員的指教 |
| 02:49:54,420 | 02:49:56,420 | 部署長我剛剛講的這些數字 |
| 02:49:56,420 | 02:49:58,420 | 他否認嗎 |
| 02:49:58,420 | 02:50:01,420 | 那個產業署是不是 |
| 02:50:01,420 | 02:50:03,420 | 部署長我講的這些數字嘛 |
| 02:50:03,420 | 02:50:07,420 | 我說我們的零組件 |
| 02:50:07,420 | 02:50:13,420 | 零組件占我們國內汽車業者將近九成內 |
| 02:50:13,420 | 02:50:16,420 | 這個那個產銷的金額 |
| 02:50:16,420 | 02:50:18,420 | 這個你否認嗎 |
| 02:50:18,420 | 02:50:21,420 | 進口車關稅降到零 |
| 02:50:21,420 | 02:50:22,420 | 或者降低 |
| 02:50:22,420 | 02:50:27,420 | 降低不管降到多少會影響我們國內的零組件嗎 |
| 02:50:27,420 | 02:50:28,420 | 你認為呢 |
| 02:50:28,420 | 02:50:30,420 | 零組件的部分確實也會受影響 |
| 02:50:30,420 | 02:50:33,420 | 跟委員報告我們國內的汽車零組件產業 |
| 02:50:33,420 | 02:50:35,420 | 大概有超過兩成的部分 |
| 02:50:35,420 | 02:50:38,420 | 還是用在國產車上面 |
| 02:50:38,420 | 02:50:41,420 | 那當然您剛才所提的這個出口的部分 |
| 02:50:41,420 | 02:50:43,420 | 確實也接近八成左右 |
| 02:50:43,420 | 02:50:46,420 | 光這八成 |
| 02:50:46,420 | 02:50:48,420 | 遠高於 |
| 02:50:48,420 | 02:50:52,420 | 我們國內其他整車業者的金額 |
| 02:50:52,420 | 02:50:55,420 | 我們高達一千三百二十九億 |
| 02:50:55,420 | 02:50:58,420 | 輸往美國的 |
| 02:50:58,420 | 02:51:00,420 | 不過內銷的這些零組件 |
| 02:51:00,420 | 02:51:03,420 | 還是有七八百億的產值 |
| 02:51:03,420 | 02:51:05,420 | 沒有啦 |
| 02:51:05,420 | 02:51:07,420 | 你把那個提供給我看 |
| 02:51:07,420 | 02:51:08,420 | 我有出口的金額 |
| 02:51:08,420 | 02:51:12,420 | 你說我們自己國內 |
| 02:51:12,420 | 02:51:14,420 | 內銷的七八百億 |
| 02:51:14,420 | 02:51:17,420 | 你把這個金額提供給我看 |
| 02:51:17,420 | 02:51:19,420 | 我跟你講 |
| 02:51:19,420 | 02:51:21,420 | 我們零組件業者 |
| 02:51:21,420 | 02:51:22,420 | 八萬五千人 |
| 02:51:22,420 | 02:51:24,420 | 這一次你們有接受我上次質詢 |
| 02:51:24,420 | 02:51:26,420 | 你們有更正 |
| 02:51:26,420 | 02:51:28,420 | 你就看你們上一次經濟部 |
| 02:51:28,420 | 02:51:30,420 | 委託財政部的報告 |
| 02:51:30,420 | 02:51:32,420 | 還有經濟部正式出的 |
| 02:51:32,420 | 02:51:35,420 | 說會影響我們汽車業者 |
| 02:51:35,420 | 02:51:37,420 | 十幾萬從業人員 |
| 02:51:37,420 | 02:51:40,420 | 你們是四個字 |
| 02:51:40,420 | 02:51:41,420 | 抱歉 侯主席 |
| 02:51:41,420 | 02:51:42,420 | 四個字 |
| 02:51:42,420 | 02:51:44,420 | 經濟部那個說法是四個字 |
| 02:51:44,420 | 02:51:46,420 | 你很聳聽 |
| 02:51:48,420 | 02:51:49,420 | 另外四個字我就不講了 |
| 02:51:49,420 | 02:51:51,420 | 因為我剛剛已經講過 |
| 02:51:51,420 | 02:51:53,420 | 胡說八道 |
| 02:51:53,420 | 02:51:55,420 | 跟委員更正 |
| 02:51:55,420 | 02:51:56,420 | 是六百億 |
| 02:51:56,420 | 02:51:57,420 | 國內的產值 |
| 02:51:57,420 | 02:52:00,420 | 你把數字給我看 |
| 02:52:00,420 | 02:52:01,420 | 我跟你講 |
| 02:52:01,420 | 02:52:03,420 | 美國的一千三百二十九億 |
| 02:52:03,420 | 02:52:05,420 | 我們出口過去 |
| 02:52:07,420 | 02:52:08,420 | 好 |
| 02:52:08,420 | 02:52:10,420 | 再請金銀部把相關的資料 |
| 02:52:10,420 | 02:52:12,420 | 提供給委員跟我們財委會 |
| 02:52:12,420 | 02:52:13,420 | 我也非常想了解 |
| 02:52:13,420 | 02:52:16,420 | 來 接下來請許中信委員 |
| 02:52:26,420 | 02:52:29,420 | 我們有請財政部專屬 |
| 02:52:29,420 | 02:52:30,420 | 部長 |
| 02:52:32,420 | 02:52:33,420 | 部長好 |
| 02:52:35,420 | 02:52:36,420 | 部長好 |
| 02:52:36,420 | 02:52:37,420 | 委員謝謝 |
| 02:52:37,420 | 02:52:38,420 | 委員好 |
| 02:52:38,420 | 02:52:40,420 | 我今天講話如果比較大聲 |
| 02:52:41,420 | 02:52:43,420 | 我要講給民進黨聽到 |
| 02:52:44,420 | 02:52:46,420 | 今天政府小汽車 |
| 02:52:47,420 | 02:52:49,420 | 不能再降關稅 |
| 02:52:49,420 | 02:52:51,420 | 因為我們阿南區 |
| 02:52:51,420 | 02:52:53,420 | 我們應控 |
| 02:52:53,420 | 02:52:56,420 | 黨票相蓋支持你民進黨 |
| 02:52:56,420 | 02:52:58,420 | 但是你這個政策 |
| 02:52:58,420 | 02:53:00,420 | 大大浪在我們阿南區 |
| 02:53:00,420 | 02:53:02,420 | 被應控 |
| 02:53:02,420 | 02:53:04,420 | 所以說我 |
| 02:53:04,420 | 02:53:06,420 | 很輕定剛才的輸掉 |
| 02:53:06,420 | 02:53:08,420 | 給他付輸掉 |
| 02:53:08,420 | 02:53:10,420 | 印刷發言 |
| 02:53:10,420 | 02:53:12,420 | 不對你才有給他付輸掉 |
| 02:53:12,420 | 02:53:13,420 | 給他輸掉比較專業 |
| 02:53:13,420 | 02:53:14,420 | 你自己說 |
| 02:53:15,420 | 02:53:16,420 | 沒有嘛 |
| 02:53:16,420 | 02:53:18,420 | 你的專業我有查過 |
| 02:53:18,420 | 02:53:20,420 | 我們台灣 |
| 02:53:20,420 | 02:53:22,420 | 有今天的公務體系 |
| 02:53:22,420 | 02:53:24,420 | 就是靠我們很多 |
| 02:53:24,420 | 02:53:26,420 | 中立的組長 |
| 02:53:26,420 | 02:53:27,420 | 事長 |
| 02:53:27,420 | 02:53:30,420 | 台灣今天這次有這個競爭力 |
| 02:53:30,420 | 02:53:32,420 | 今天你們 |
| 02:53:32,420 | 02:53:33,420 | 你的報告 |
| 02:53:33,420 | 02:53:34,420 | 分析說 |
| 02:53:34,420 | 02:53:37,420 | 稅存六百空一億 |
| 02:53:37,420 | 02:53:39,420 | 我告訴你你不夠專業 |
| 02:53:40,420 | 02:53:42,420 | 你不去請教經濟部 |
| 02:53:43,420 | 02:53:45,420 | 我們南太和加入的時候 |
| 02:53:46,420 | 02:53:48,420 | 是give and take |
| 02:53:48,420 | 02:53:51,420 | 我們為了補助小汽車 |
| 02:53:51,420 | 02:53:54,420 | 17.5的關稅 |
| 02:53:55,420 | 02:53:57,420 | 我們give |
| 02:53:58,420 | 02:54:00,420 | 我們付出很多 |
| 02:54:00,420 | 02:54:02,420 | 很多東西降到零關稅 |
| 02:54:03,420 | 02:54:05,420 | 這些商業都已經虛心了 |
| 02:54:05,420 | 02:54:07,420 | 沒頭腦了 |
| 02:54:07,420 | 02:54:09,420 | 今天我們所提到的 |
| 02:54:09,420 | 02:54:12,420 | take就是17.5的關稅 |
| 02:54:13,420 | 02:54:16,420 | 今天我們民進黨的委員竟然提出 |
| 02:54:17,420 | 02:54:19,420 | 你如果國民黨提出我不會收起 |
| 02:54:20,420 | 02:54:22,420 | 民進黨竟然 |
| 02:54:22,420 | 02:54:24,420 | 請我來洗我碗 |
| 02:54:26,420 | 02:54:28,420 | 人家投票給你支持 |
| 02:54:28,420 | 02:54:30,420 | 你竟然提這個法案 |
| 02:54:30,420 | 02:54:32,420 | 這個變成 |
| 02:54:32,420 | 02:54:34,420 | 我們阿南區 |
| 02:54:34,420 | 02:54:39,420 | 英空這裡的汽車上關的酒店 |
| 02:54:39,420 | 02:54:41,420 | 大大受害 |
| 02:54:42,420 | 02:54:44,420 | 我們整個台灣 |
| 02:54:44,420 | 02:54:47,420 | 直接叫汽車、冷鏡 |
| 02:54:47,420 | 02:54:49,420 | 優秀關的酒店 |
| 02:54:49,420 | 02:54:51,420 | 都總共16萬 |
| 02:54:51,420 | 02:54:53,420 | 我們台南市 |
| 02:54:53,420 | 02:54:57,420 | 有2萬2千6百人 |
| 02:54:57,420 | 02:54:59,420 | 裡面37% |
| 02:54:59,420 | 02:55:01,420 | 阿南區 |
| 02:55:01,420 | 02:55:03,420 | 25% |
| 02:55:03,420 | 02:55:05,420 | 英國紫25% |
| 02:55:05,420 | 02:55:07,420 | 英空 |
| 02:55:07,420 | 02:55:09,420 | 都靠這裡洗碗 |
| 02:55:09,420 | 02:55:11,420 | 全國都回民進黨 |
| 02:55:11,420 | 02:55:14,420 | 結果今天民進黨提這個政策 |
| 02:55:14,420 | 02:55:16,420 | 竟然敢來這裡 |
| 02:55:16,420 | 02:55:18,420 | 辱罵我們的公務人員 |
| 02:55:18,420 | 02:55:22,420 | 我對這個公務人員非常尊重 |
| 02:55:22,420 | 02:55:24,420 | 如果沒有這個公務人員 |
| 02:55:24,420 | 02:55:26,420 | 沒有今天這個台灣 |
| 02:55:26,420 | 02:55:28,420 | 所以說今天 |
| 02:55:28,420 | 02:55:30,420 | 我要報告部長 |
| 02:55:30,420 | 02:55:34,420 | 你的損害報告寫了太多報紙 |
| 02:55:34,420 | 02:55:37,420 | 不是小時候600控於英年 |
| 02:55:37,420 | 02:55:41,420 | 對台灣的損害非常大 |
| 02:55:41,420 | 02:55:43,420 | 所以小氣球進河 |
| 02:55:43,420 | 02:55:46,420 | 萬萬不可 |
| 02:55:46,420 | 02:55:48,420 | 尤其現在台灣河野山 |
| 02:55:48,420 | 02:55:50,420 | 差別這麼惡化 |
| 02:55:50,420 | 02:55:53,420 | 我現在來跟你請教 |
| 02:55:53,420 | 02:55:55,420 | 雨傘水 |
| 02:55:55,420 | 02:55:57,420 | 有要求的6%而已 |
| 02:55:57,420 | 02:56:01,420 | 90%是不免入雨傘水 |
| 02:56:01,420 | 02:56:05,420 | 所以是貧富差距產生的 |
| 02:56:05,420 | 02:56:07,420 | 6%繳稅人 |
| 02:56:07,420 | 02:56:09,420 | 雨傘太多 |
| 02:56:09,420 | 02:56:11,420 | 所以核定雨傘水的時間 |
| 02:56:11,420 | 02:56:14,420 | 拖很長 |
| 02:56:14,420 | 02:56:15,420 | 這種狀態 |
| 02:56:15,420 | 02:56:18,420 | 你這個小氣車還免水 |
| 02:56:18,420 | 02:56:20,420 | 這樣 |
| 02:56:20,420 | 02:56:23,420 | 貧富差距又越惡化 |
| 02:56:23,420 | 02:56:25,420 | 所以說今天你如果國民黨委員 |
| 02:56:25,420 | 02:56:27,420 | 拿出這個案子 |
| 02:56:27,420 | 02:56:29,420 | 我不會收起 |
| 02:56:29,420 | 02:56:31,420 | 但是今天民進黨的委員 |
| 02:56:31,420 | 02:56:33,420 | 拿出這個法案 |
| 02:56:33,420 | 02:56:38,420 | 我認為他們準備不來執政 |
| 02:56:38,420 | 02:56:40,420 | 所以說各位 |
| 02:56:40,420 | 02:56:42,420 | 我給各位報告 |
| 02:56:42,420 | 02:56:44,420 | 我們應該要做的 |
| 02:56:44,420 | 02:56:47,420 | 是靠德國合作發電電動車 |
| 02:56:47,420 | 02:56:49,420 | 別人流流 |
| 02:56:49,420 | 02:56:51,420 | 他們來台灣卸購發電電動車 |
| 02:56:51,420 | 02:56:53,420 | 我們台灣做人工 |
| 02:56:53,420 | 02:56:55,420 | 我不會做什麼 |
| 02:56:55,420 | 02:56:58,420 | 主要德國的電動車來台灣 |
| 02:56:58,420 | 02:57:00,420 | 我們提供所有人工 |
| 02:57:00,420 | 02:57:03,420 | 叫我們的半導體電子設備 |
| 02:57:03,420 | 02:57:07,420 | 這個德國擺台灣製的電動車 |
| 02:57:07,420 | 02:57:11,420 | 絕對會比中國的電動車好 |
| 02:57:11,420 | 02:57:12,420 | 普通你知不知道 |
| 02:57:12,420 | 02:57:14,420 | 中國的電動車現在一台 |
| 02:57:14,420 | 02:57:16,420 | 在中國賣多少 |
| 02:57:16,420 | 02:57:18,420 | 他們的價錢其實蠻低的 |
| 02:57:18,420 | 02:57:19,420 | 也銷到 |
| 02:57:19,420 | 02:57:21,420 | 10萬台幣 |
| 02:57:21,420 | 02:57:22,420 | 一台10萬台幣 |
| 02:57:22,420 | 02:57:24,420 | 請問你這個開放 |
| 02:57:24,420 | 02:57:26,420 | 中國電動車還會進來嗎 |
| 02:57:27,420 | 02:57:29,420 | 那是違反世界貿易組織 |
| 02:57:29,420 | 02:57:30,420 | 沒有開放 |
| 02:57:30,420 | 02:57:32,420 | 你如果是根據世界貿易組織 |
| 02:57:32,420 | 02:57:34,420 | 你是要一體試用 |
| 02:57:34,420 | 02:57:36,420 | 讓中國電動車進來 |
| 02:57:36,420 | 02:57:38,420 | 我請問我們台灣的車業 |
| 02:57:38,420 | 02:57:39,420 | 什麼人當的條 |
| 02:57:39,420 | 02:57:41,420 | 一台10萬台幣電動車 |
| 02:57:41,420 | 02:57:42,420 | 和德國人進去 |
| 02:57:42,420 | 02:57:43,420 | 走到要死去 |
| 02:57:43,420 | 02:57:46,420 | 中國大陸的整車沒有同意進口 |
| 02:57:46,420 | 02:57:48,420 | 那是違反世界貿易組織 |
| 02:57:48,420 | 02:57:49,420 | 南體要做法 |
| 02:57:49,420 | 02:57:51,420 | 我給部長報告 |
| 02:57:51,420 | 02:57:53,420 | 所以說國會今天 |
| 02:57:53,420 | 02:57:54,420 | 吃味聽到發起 |
| 02:57:54,420 | 02:57:56,420 | 所以讓我操死共 |
| 02:57:57,420 | 02:57:59,420 | 所以國會我說的是真的 |
| 02:57:59,420 | 02:58:00,420 | 民進黨你要接種 |
| 02:58:00,420 | 02:58:02,420 | 你這個政權不能丟下去 |
| 02:58:02,420 | 02:58:03,420 | 拜託 |
| 02:58:03,420 | 02:58:04,420 | 謝謝部長 |
| 02:58:04,420 | 02:58:05,420 | 謝謝委員 |
| 02:58:05,420 | 02:58:08,420 | 好謝謝許中信委員的質詢 |
| 02:58:08,420 | 02:58:10,420 | 我們接下來請陳毓征委員 |
| 02:58:20,420 | 02:58:21,420 | 謝謝主席 |
| 02:58:21,420 | 02:58:24,420 | 我們請這個關務署 |
| 02:58:24,420 | 02:58:26,420 | 部長休息一下 |
| 02:58:26,420 | 02:58:27,420 | 來署長請 |
| 02:58:27,420 | 02:58:28,420 | 關務署彭署長 |
| 02:58:28,420 | 02:58:29,420 | 彭署長 |
| 02:58:31,420 | 02:58:32,420 | 署長 |
| 02:58:32,420 | 02:58:33,420 | 這個 |
| 02:58:33,420 | 02:58:35,420 | 你知道小三通的這個碼頭 |
| 02:58:35,420 | 02:58:38,420 | 當然還有這個 |
| 02:58:38,420 | 02:58:39,420 | 機場不歸你們 |
| 02:58:39,420 | 02:58:40,420 | 但碼頭 |
| 02:58:40,420 | 02:58:43,420 | 不管是客運碼頭還是貨運碼頭 |
| 02:58:43,420 | 02:58:45,420 | 那整個我們小三通的新的碼頭 |
| 02:58:45,420 | 02:58:47,420 | 又成立以後 |
| 02:58:47,420 | 02:58:50,420 | 整個的這個客運的流量 |
| 02:58:50,420 | 02:58:52,420 | 暴漲很多你知道嗎 |
| 02:58:52,420 | 02:58:53,420 | 是包含委 |
| 02:58:53,420 | 02:58:55,420 | 那個我們有掌握一些數字 |
| 02:58:55,420 | 02:58:56,420 | 的確有增加 |
| 02:58:56,420 | 02:58:57,420 | 的確是 |
| 02:58:57,420 | 02:58:59,420 | 你看看我們這個小三通碼頭 |
| 02:58:59,420 | 02:59:01,420 | 我查過我們的相關數字 |
| 02:59:01,420 | 02:59:03,420 | 我們金門現在是隸屬高雄關 |
| 02:59:03,420 | 02:59:04,420 | 對吧 |
| 02:59:04,420 | 02:59:05,420 | 是 |
| 02:59:05,420 | 02:59:07,420 | 那115年上半年 |
| 02:59:07,420 | 02:59:09,420 | 在這個水頭碼頭 |
| 02:59:09,420 | 02:59:10,420 | 金門水頭碼頭 |
| 02:59:10,420 | 02:59:13,420 | 通關人數已經出過108萬人 |
| 02:59:13,420 | 02:59:14,420 | 上半年 |
| 02:59:14,420 | 02:59:15,420 | 上半年 |
| 02:59:15,420 | 02:59:16,420 | 那你看 |
| 02:59:16,420 | 02:59:18,420 | 我們來看基隆關是54萬人 |
| 02:59:18,420 | 02:59:21,420 | 我們是基隆關的兩倍 |
| 02:59:21,420 | 02:59:22,420 | 你知道吧 |
| 02:59:22,420 | 02:59:23,420 | 台中關呢 |
| 02:59:23,420 | 02:59:24,420 | 台中包括什麼 |
| 02:59:24,420 | 02:59:26,420 | 台中的這個台中港 |
| 02:59:26,420 | 02:59:28,420 | 還有航空站出國的 |
| 02:59:28,420 | 02:59:30,420 | 114萬人 |
| 02:59:30,420 | 02:59:32,420 | 就是金門小三通碼頭的這個通關人數 |
| 02:59:32,420 | 02:59:34,420 | 基本上跟台中關是一樣多 |
| 02:59:34,420 | 02:59:36,420 | 這個數據你知道嗎 |
| 02:59:36,420 | 02:59:37,420 | 了解 |
| 02:59:37,420 | 02:59:38,420 | 了解嘛 |
| 02:59:38,420 | 02:59:40,420 | 但是我們現在的這個金門 |
| 02:59:40,420 | 02:59:42,420 | 是屬於隸屬高雄關下 |
| 02:59:42,420 | 02:59:43,420 | 是 |
| 02:59:43,420 | 02:59:45,420 | 那這個人員呢 |
| 02:59:45,420 | 02:59:48,420 | 目前金門那邊派駐的海關人員 |
| 02:59:48,420 | 02:59:50,420 | 大概是36人 |
| 02:59:50,420 | 02:59:52,420 | 36位 |
| 02:59:52,420 | 02:59:53,420 | 是 |
| 02:59:53,420 | 02:59:54,420 | 這個 |
| 02:59:54,420 | 02:59:56,420 | 總共編制人員是多少人 |
| 02:59:57,420 | 02:59:59,420 | 金門關派駐36位嗎 |
| 03:00:01,420 | 03:00:02,420 | 是 |
| 03:00:02,420 | 03:00:03,420 | 36位 |
| 03:00:03,420 | 03:00:04,420 | 是 |
| 03:00:04,420 | 03:00:07,420 | 是客運還是這個貨運的部分 |
| 03:00:07,420 | 03:00:08,420 | 全部 |
| 03:00:08,420 | 03:00:10,420 | 全部36位 |
| 03:00:10,420 | 03:00:12,420 | 委員提到了這個可能是 |
| 03:00:12,420 | 03:00:14,420 | 旅客的部分 |
| 03:00:14,420 | 03:00:15,420 | 對對對我說是客運 |
| 03:00:15,420 | 03:00:16,420 | 因為客運比較多 |
| 03:00:16,420 | 03:00:17,420 | 但貨運也是要 |
| 03:00:17,420 | 03:00:18,420 | 貨運也是要 |
| 03:00:18,420 | 03:00:19,420 | 貨運現在的貨運 |
| 03:00:19,420 | 03:00:20,420 | 這個金門港這個 |
| 03:00:20,420 | 03:00:22,420 | 廖羅馬的這個貨運的進出口量 |
| 03:00:22,420 | 03:00:24,420 | 應該也是相當高的 |
| 03:00:24,420 | 03:00:25,420 | 沒錯 |
| 03:00:25,420 | 03:00:26,420 | 那我們先來講 |
| 03:00:26,420 | 03:00:27,420 | 不管客運或是貨運 |
| 03:00:27,420 | 03:00:29,420 | 你們這個在這個 |
| 03:00:29,420 | 03:00:30,420 | 整個金門水 |
| 03:00:30,420 | 03:00:31,420 | 新的旅運大樓 |
| 03:00:31,420 | 03:00:32,420 | 你也去過嗎 |
| 03:00:32,420 | 03:00:34,420 | 新的開始你去過了沒 |
| 03:00:34,420 | 03:00:36,420 | 我去的時候還沒有開始營運 |
| 03:00:36,420 | 03:00:38,420 | 我們下個禮拜就要做這個 |
| 03:00:38,420 | 03:00:40,420 | 開始一個一個程儀式 |
| 03:00:40,420 | 03:00:41,420 | 已經開始營運了 |
| 03:00:41,420 | 03:00:43,420 | 但是他比原來的這個 |
| 03:00:43,420 | 03:00:45,420 | 新大樓比原來的那個旅客中心 |
| 03:00:45,420 | 03:00:48,420 | 大概多了大概3.5倍的這個面積 |
| 03:00:48,420 | 03:00:50,420 | 那最近你有沒有常看到很多新聞 |
| 03:00:50,420 | 03:00:53,420 | 包括隨身帶什麼 |
| 03:00:53,420 | 03:00:54,420 | 小動物 |
| 03:00:54,420 | 03:00:56,420 | 或者攜帶可能毒品 |
| 03:00:56,420 | 03:00:57,420 | 什麼這一類新聞 |
| 03:00:57,420 | 03:00:58,420 | 最近都有吧 |
| 03:00:58,420 | 03:01:00,420 | 有看到這一類的新聞嗎 |
| 03:01:00,420 | 03:01:01,420 | 對 |
| 03:01:01,420 | 03:01:02,420 | 所以你不會覺得你們 |
| 03:01:02,420 | 03:01:04,420 | 我們金門關 |
| 03:01:04,420 | 03:01:07,420 | 就是高雄關派駐在金門的是屬於一個科 |
| 03:01:07,420 | 03:01:08,420 | 這個科的人 |
| 03:01:08,420 | 03:01:10,420 | loading太重了嗎 |
| 03:01:10,420 | 03:01:12,420 | 是一個客 |
| 03:01:12,420 | 03:01:14,420 | 一個客我知道 |
| 03:01:14,420 | 03:01:16,420 | 低限的官員 |
| 03:01:16,420 | 03:01:19,420 | 我們原則上都是要優先 |
| 03:01:19,420 | 03:01:22,420 | 優先一定要補足 |
| 03:01:22,420 | 03:01:25,420 | 你不會覺得現在整個loading非常重嗎 |
| 03:01:25,420 | 03:01:26,420 | 負擔負擔壓力很大 |
| 03:01:26,420 | 03:01:28,420 | 尤其貨物也很多 |
| 03:01:28,420 | 03:01:30,420 | 然後這也是一個國門 |
| 03:01:30,420 | 03:01:33,420 | 那他的他的客運來講 |
| 03:01:33,420 | 03:01:34,420 | 跟台中是一樣的 |
| 03:01:34,420 | 03:01:37,420 | 但他的人就是你的人數 |
| 03:01:37,420 | 03:01:39,420 | 你的官員各方面 |
| 03:01:39,420 | 03:01:41,420 | 比不上台中的這個編制 |
| 03:01:41,420 | 03:01:44,420 | 我們事實上比基隆關的人進出的那個貨的人還多 |
| 03:01:44,420 | 03:01:46,420 | 進出的人還多 |
| 03:01:46,420 | 03:01:49,420 | 所以你不會覺得當地實在是負擔太大嗎 |
| 03:01:49,420 | 03:01:50,420 | 這樣他們還要休息 |
| 03:01:50,420 | 03:01:52,420 | 休假回台灣 |
| 03:01:52,420 | 03:01:53,420 | 是不是 |
| 03:01:53,420 | 03:01:56,420 | 這樣子這個關卡怎麼守呢 |
| 03:01:56,420 | 03:01:59,420 | 特別感謝委員對海關人力不足 |
| 03:01:59,420 | 03:02:01,420 | 這一部分一直關切 |
| 03:02:01,420 | 03:02:03,420 | 海關的loading很重 |
| 03:02:03,420 | 03:02:06,420 | 是我們人力不足的部分 |
| 03:02:06,420 | 03:02:08,420 | 我們目前都有在盤點 |
| 03:02:08,420 | 03:02:10,420 | 各關的一個情況 |
| 03:02:10,420 | 03:02:14,420 | 然後我們會跟人總那邊來提出一些海關 |
| 03:02:14,420 | 03:02:15,420 | 針對金門關的部分 |
| 03:02:15,420 | 03:02:20,420 | 你有做出怎麼樣相對應的這個的做法嗎 |
| 03:02:20,420 | 03:02:23,420 | 目前基隆關這邊金門的部分 |
| 03:02:23,420 | 03:02:25,420 | 我們現在移環計集 |
| 03:02:25,420 | 03:02:27,420 | 就是說有缺的部分 |
| 03:02:27,420 | 03:02:29,420 | 像今年我們就補了兩個 |
| 03:02:29,420 | 03:02:31,420 | 就是說官員少了兩個 |
| 03:02:31,420 | 03:02:33,420 | 我們先用約聘顧人力 |
| 03:02:33,420 | 03:02:35,420 | 即時來補足 |
| 03:02:35,420 | 03:02:39,420 | 未來還是會試整個人力的一個狀況 |
| 03:02:39,420 | 03:02:40,420 | 因為海關這個工作是很重要的 |
| 03:02:40,420 | 03:02:42,420 | 約聘只是協助 |
| 03:02:42,420 | 03:02:45,420 | 它不是真正可以執行很多公務的行為 |
| 03:02:45,420 | 03:02:47,420 | 可能做一些協助 |
| 03:02:47,420 | 03:02:50,420 | 那你金門關的人員事實上是很不夠的 |
| 03:02:50,420 | 03:02:51,420 | 你不覺得嗎 |
| 03:02:51,420 | 03:02:52,420 | 很負擔 |
| 03:02:52,420 | 03:02:53,420 | 而且它跑兩個地方 |
| 03:02:53,420 | 03:02:55,420 | 水頭馬騰跟廖雯帆 |
| 03:02:55,420 | 03:02:57,420 | 在金門算是最遠的兩個地方 |
| 03:02:57,420 | 03:02:59,420 | 那你這個人力的編制 |
| 03:02:59,420 | 03:03:02,420 | 有沒有打算跟我們金門關再多編一點的呢 |
| 03:03:02,420 | 03:03:04,420 | 我們會檢討 |
| 03:03:04,420 | 03:03:05,420 | 跟委員報告 |
| 03:03:05,420 | 03:03:07,420 | 我們現在是人力缺額的部分 |
| 03:03:07,420 | 03:03:09,420 | 我們必須要靠官務特考 |
| 03:03:09,420 | 03:03:11,420 | 考進來之後我們要受訓 |
| 03:03:11,420 | 03:03:12,420 | 今年的話 |
| 03:03:12,420 | 03:03:17,420 | 我們九月的時候會有新進的一批海關官員 |
| 03:03:17,420 | 03:03:20,420 | 會投入到整個查緝的行列裡面 |
| 03:03:20,420 | 03:03:23,420 | 我針對金門關 |
| 03:03:23,420 | 03:03:25,420 | 第一個你人力不足的部分 |
| 03:03:25,420 | 03:03:27,420 | 如果不夠真的不夠 |
| 03:03:27,420 | 03:03:28,420 | 短期內我當然OK |
| 03:03:28,420 | 03:03:31,420 | 你要做什麼編約聘顧這一類的人來協助 |
| 03:03:31,420 | 03:03:35,420 | 但長期人力不足的事情還是要解決 |
| 03:03:35,420 | 03:03:38,420 | 就是說整個組織的部分 |
| 03:03:38,420 | 03:03:40,420 | 金門關是不是可以幫我們提升呢 |
| 03:03:40,420 | 03:03:42,420 | 把他的地位再提升 |
| 03:03:42,420 | 03:03:43,420 | 因為他現在是高雄關 |
| 03:03:43,420 | 03:03:45,420 | 事實上也沒有那麼方便 |
| 03:03:45,420 | 03:03:49,420 | 而且他的人流物流事實上也是蠻大的 |
| 03:03:49,420 | 03:03:51,420 | 現在貨物也好 |
| 03:03:51,420 | 03:03:52,420 | 貨物也好 |
| 03:03:52,420 | 03:03:54,420 | 在兩岸之間的貨物 |
| 03:03:54,420 | 03:03:57,420 | 然後人流 |
| 03:03:57,420 | 03:04:00,420 | 大概小山中的旅客大概還是不會停 |
| 03:04:00,420 | 03:04:01,420 | 還會繼續增加 |
| 03:04:01,420 | 03:04:03,420 | 除非你們就打算說 |
| 03:04:03,420 | 03:04:06,420 | 就讓那個關卡比較鬆散 |
| 03:04:06,420 | 03:04:07,420 | 不會 |
| 03:04:07,420 | 03:04:08,420 | 當然我沒有意見 |
| 03:04:08,420 | 03:04:09,420 | 跟委員報告 |
| 03:04:09,420 | 03:04:10,420 | 我覺得這不是一個好方法 |
| 03:04:10,420 | 03:04:11,420 | 跟委員報告 |
| 03:04:11,420 | 03:04:15,420 | 金門這部分因為小山中人數最多的部分 |
| 03:04:15,420 | 03:04:19,420 | 這個人力的部分我們一定會優先補足 |
| 03:04:19,420 | 03:04:21,420 | 回答到現在沒有告訴我你要補多少人 |
| 03:04:21,420 | 03:04:25,420 | 然後你整個組織編制有沒有打算幫金門關提高他的地位 |
| 03:04:25,420 | 03:04:28,420 | 那這樣子編制才會多 |
| 03:04:28,420 | 03:04:30,420 | 那如果我也跟您提過 |
| 03:04:30,420 | 03:04:32,420 | 如果是人事總處那邊有意見 |
| 03:04:32,420 | 03:04:35,420 | 我們看我們民進黨那邊可以做什麼協議 |
| 03:04:35,420 | 03:04:37,420 | 我們也可以一起請人事總處來開會 |
| 03:04:37,420 | 03:04:40,420 | 的確現場就是人不足 |
| 03:04:40,420 | 03:04:42,420 | 樓頂非常的重 |
| 03:04:42,420 | 03:04:43,420 | 了解 |
| 03:04:43,420 | 03:04:45,420 | 那這部分我們會來規劃 |
| 03:04:45,420 | 03:04:46,420 | 是 |
| 03:04:46,420 | 03:04:49,420 | 但是因為這個整個編制擴大的問題 |
| 03:04:49,420 | 03:04:53,420 | 會涉及到整個組織編制的問題 |
| 03:04:53,420 | 03:04:54,420 | 這個可能知識比較 |
| 03:04:54,420 | 03:04:56,420 | 現在政府海關這個部分 |
| 03:04:56,420 | 03:04:58,420 | 海關這個部分如果你組織不擴大 |
| 03:04:58,420 | 03:05:00,420 | 現在政府給你這麼多的這個任務 |
| 03:05:00,420 | 03:05:02,420 | 不只是以金門來講這個人的部分 |
| 03:05:02,420 | 03:05:05,420 | 貨的部分還有包括進口的很多 |
| 03:05:05,420 | 03:05:08,420 | 之前說馬鈴薯還要一顆顆戳查對不對 |
| 03:05:08,420 | 03:05:10,420 | 進口的東西要檢查有一些進口 |
| 03:05:10,420 | 03:05:12,420 | 我們就不要再說什麼黃豆這一類事情 |
| 03:05:12,420 | 03:05:15,420 | 就這麼多東西你們能力都不足的情況下 |
| 03:05:15,420 | 03:05:19,420 | 那個後端這個整個社會成本會付出很多 |
| 03:05:19,420 | 03:05:22,420 | 所以這個你事實上應該要大力的爭取 |
| 03:05:22,420 | 03:05:24,420 | 一定會的我們都已經 |
| 03:05:24,420 | 03:05:26,420 | 講很久了 |
| 03:05:26,420 | 03:05:28,420 | 好我跟你說來短期內 |
| 03:05:28,420 | 03:05:31,420 | 這個一個禮拜可以給我嗎 |
| 03:05:31,420 | 03:05:33,420 | 就是金門小山通海關人員這個配置 |
| 03:05:33,420 | 03:05:34,420 | 你看到到底怎麼樣 |
| 03:05:34,420 | 03:05:37,420 | 怎麼樣加派人力輪調的資源機制 |
| 03:05:37,420 | 03:05:40,420 | 然後你三個月內給我一個深格成立金門 |
| 03:05:40,420 | 03:05:42,420 | 分關的可行性的評估 |
| 03:05:42,420 | 03:05:45,420 | 解決這個這麼多人但是讓他組織實在 |
| 03:05:45,420 | 03:05:49,420 | 就是大人穿小孩的衣服那種那種處境 |
| 03:05:49,420 | 03:05:50,420 | 好嗎 |
| 03:05:50,420 | 03:05:51,420 | 報告委員那個短期的部分 |
| 03:05:51,420 | 03:05:53,420 | 可不可以給我們兩個禮拜的時間 |
| 03:05:53,420 | 03:05:55,420 | OK好可以麻煩你 |
| 03:05:55,420 | 03:05:57,420 | 謝謝那經濟部今天有來嗎 |
| 03:05:57,420 | 03:05:59,420 | 謝謝署長經濟部人 |
| 03:05:59,420 | 03:06:01,420 | 請周副署長 |
| 03:06:03,420 | 03:06:05,420 | 都沒有派沒有派個次長過來 |
| 03:06:05,420 | 03:06:07,420 | 至少我們要問一下這個 |
| 03:06:07,420 | 03:06:10,420 | 林副署長知道金門在哪裡嗎 |
| 03:06:10,420 | 03:06:11,420 | 我知道 |
| 03:06:11,420 | 03:06:12,420 | 距離台灣多遠 |
| 03:06:12,420 | 03:06:13,420 | 但是我沒有去過 |
| 03:06:13,420 | 03:06:14,420 | 你沒去過 |
| 03:06:14,420 | 03:06:15,420 | 你出過國嗎 |
| 03:06:15,420 | 03:06:16,420 | 有出過國 |
| 03:06:16,420 | 03:06:17,420 | 但沒有去過金門 |
| 03:06:17,420 | 03:06:18,420 | 沒去過金門 |
| 03:06:18,420 | 03:06:20,420 | 那經濟部怎麼樣制定對金門有利的政策 |
| 03:06:20,420 | 03:06:24,420 | 像這個產業發展對這個金門的也是非常的重要 |
| 03:06:24,420 | 03:06:27,420 | 金門距離台灣大概是200公里 |
| 03:06:27,420 | 03:06:29,420 | 距離大陸大概是一公里 |
| 03:06:29,420 | 03:06:32,420 | 200公里 |
| 03:06:32,420 | 03:06:33,420 | 一兩百公里 |
| 03:06:33,420 | 03:06:36,420 | 然後想看你們對經濟部對這個金門這個產業發展 |
| 03:06:36,420 | 03:06:38,420 | 有怎麼樣的建議呢 |
| 03:06:38,420 | 03:06:40,420 | 因為我們產發署是主管製造業 |
| 03:06:40,420 | 03:06:43,420 | 當然金門的製造業相對沒有那麼多 |
| 03:06:43,420 | 03:06:46,420 | 對可是有很多在地的特色產業 |
| 03:06:46,420 | 03:06:49,420 | 我們產發署其實對金門的在地的特色產業 |
| 03:06:49,420 | 03:06:51,420 | 其實也做一些輔導的工作 |
| 03:06:51,420 | 03:06:53,420 | 過去陸陸續續有做一些 |
| 03:06:53,420 | 03:06:55,420 | 我們這裡有幾個提供你參考 |
| 03:06:55,420 | 03:06:57,420 | 就是金門雖然是外島 |
| 03:06:57,420 | 03:06:58,420 | 距離台灣這麼遠 |
| 03:06:58,420 | 03:07:00,420 | 但它距離中國大陸是很近的 |
| 03:07:00,420 | 03:07:02,420 | 那國際上 |
| 03:07:02,420 | 03:07:06,420 | 國際上我們金門產業當然是比較沒有那麼的多 |
| 03:07:06,420 | 03:07:09,420 | 但是事實上 |
| 03:07:09,420 | 03:07:11,420 | 在金門這個特別的這個位置 |
| 03:07:11,420 | 03:07:15,420 | 事實上我們從國際上看到一些成功的案例 |
| 03:07:15,420 | 03:07:18,420 | 在新加坡的羅佛和新加坡有一個經濟特色 |
| 03:07:18,420 | 03:07:20,420 | 在新加坡有一個經濟特區 |
| 03:07:20,420 | 03:07:22,420 | 就是新加坡跟馬來西亞之間 |
| 03:07:22,420 | 03:07:25,420 | 這兩個主權獨立國家是為共同的經濟利益 |
| 03:07:25,420 | 03:07:27,420 | 來打造一個互利的節點 |
| 03:07:27,420 | 03:07:30,420 | 就是優先布局 |
| 03:07:30,420 | 03:07:33,420 | 就是羅佛州你知道吧去過吧 |
| 03:07:33,420 | 03:07:35,420 | 新加坡去過吧 |
| 03:07:35,420 | 03:07:37,420 | 對嘛羅佛州在新加坡 |
| 03:07:37,420 | 03:07:40,420 | 在馬來西亞的南邊距離新加坡很近的地方 |
| 03:07:40,420 | 03:07:43,420 | 那這兩個國家簽訂了相關的一些 |
| 03:07:43,420 | 03:07:45,420 | 為了共同的經濟利益 |
| 03:07:45,420 | 03:07:48,420 | 所以我們也做了一個羅佛跟新加坡的經濟特區 |
| 03:07:48,420 | 03:07:50,420 | 那這個東西制度鬆綁 |
| 03:07:50,420 | 03:07:54,420 | 所以我覺得我們這個產發署也要幫我們思考 |
| 03:07:54,420 | 03:07:57,420 | 這個制度的鬆綁通關的這個鬆綁 |
| 03:07:57,420 | 03:07:59,420 | 可以帶來這個邊境的 |
| 03:07:59,420 | 03:08:02,420 | 邊境有時候可以帶來很大的這個經濟活力 |
| 03:08:02,420 | 03:08:04,420 | 那針對這個以下幾點 |
| 03:08:04,420 | 03:08:06,420 | 請你們去幫我們思考 |
| 03:08:06,420 | 03:08:09,420 | 第一個就是在物流的這個部分 |
| 03:08:09,420 | 03:08:11,420 | 這個製造業物流 |
| 03:08:11,420 | 03:08:14,420 | 金門現在是一個很重要的物流的這個港口 |
| 03:08:14,420 | 03:08:16,420 | 在兩岸之間 |
| 03:08:16,420 | 03:08:18,420 | 海關總署當然知道 |
| 03:08:18,420 | 03:08:20,420 | 那經濟部如果不知道的話 |
| 03:08:20,420 | 03:08:22,420 | 可能要多費一點心力 |
| 03:08:22,420 | 03:08:24,420 | 跨境電商的部分 |
| 03:08:24,420 | 03:08:26,420 | 那數位金融低碳人員是環境部 |
| 03:08:26,420 | 03:08:28,420 | 所以對於智慧人員 |
| 03:08:28,420 | 03:08:30,420 | 智慧物流的部分還有跨境電商 |
| 03:08:30,420 | 03:08:32,420 | 這應該跟你們經濟部比較有關係 |
| 03:08:32,420 | 03:08:34,420 | 是 |
| 03:08:34,420 | 03:08:36,420 | 物流跟電商的部分是我們商業署的主政 |
| 03:08:36,420 | 03:08:38,420 | 幫我們研議一下下列這個四個主題 |
| 03:08:38,420 | 03:08:40,420 | 其中兩個是你們 |
| 03:08:40,420 | 03:08:42,420 | 跨境電商跟智慧物流 |
| 03:08:42,420 | 03:08:45,420 | 研究一下這個金門經濟發展試點的機會 |
| 03:08:45,420 | 03:08:48,420 | 讓它從一個外島可以變成一個節點 |
| 03:08:48,420 | 03:08:50,420 | 是不是可以給我們一份報告 |
| 03:08:50,420 | 03:08:52,420 | 好我們稀罕研議 |
| 03:08:52,420 | 03:08:54,420 | 我們帶回去研究 |
| 03:08:54,420 | 03:08:56,420 | 因為是我們商業署的主政 |
| 03:08:56,420 | 03:08:58,420 | 我知道因為我想說今天市長會 |
| 03:08:58,420 | 03:09:00,420 | 那什麼時候給我們 |
| 03:09:00,420 | 03:09:02,420 | 可不可以給委員給我們三個月 |
| 03:09:02,420 | 03:09:04,420 | 太久了 |
| 03:09:04,420 | 03:09:06,420 | 兩個月好嗎 |
| 03:09:06,420 | 03:09:08,420 | 謝謝您 |
| 03:09:08,420 | 03:09:10,420 | 希望兩個月之內也有機會讓副署長 |
| 03:09:10,420 | 03:09:12,420 | 去金門走一走 |
| 03:09:12,420 | 03:09:14,420 | 好 |
| 03:09:14,420 | 03:09:16,420 | 不然我們就辦一次考察好不好 |
| 03:09:16,420 | 03:09:18,420 | 也邀請紀委員會一起去 |
| 03:09:18,420 | 03:09:20,420 | 來我們結束陳毓臻委員 |
| 03:09:20,420 | 03:09:22,420 | 的質詢接下來請羅明才委員 |
| 03:09:30,420 | 03:09:32,420 | 主席二人出聯席官員 |
| 03:09:32,420 | 03:09:34,420 | 最後請陳登部 |
| 03:09:34,420 | 03:09:36,420 | 莊部長 |
| 03:09:36,420 | 03:09:38,420 | 還有公務署彭署長 |
| 03:09:38,420 | 03:09:40,420 | 請中部長彭署長 |
| 03:09:42,420 | 03:09:44,420 | 經濟部 |
| 03:09:44,420 | 03:09:46,420 | 副署長周副署長 |
| 03:09:46,420 | 03:09:48,420 | 中部長 |
| 03:09:48,420 | 03:09:50,420 | 你好時間過得很快 |
| 03:09:50,420 | 03:09:52,420 | 又快到中午了 |
| 03:09:52,420 | 03:09:54,420 | 我記得以前我們 |
| 03:09:54,420 | 03:09:56,420 | 大概幾十年的時間 |
| 03:09:56,420 | 03:09:58,420 | 在這邊中午的時間 |
| 03:09:58,420 | 03:10:00,420 | 就雖然開會 |
| 03:10:00,420 | 03:10:02,420 | 但也算開開心心的吃午餐 |
| 03:10:02,420 | 03:10:04,420 | 有 |
| 03:10:04,420 | 03:10:06,420 | 不虛張便當 |
| 03:10:06,420 | 03:10:08,420 | 不虛張便當 |
| 03:10:08,420 | 03:10:10,420 | 有台鐵的便當 |
| 03:10:10,420 | 03:10:12,420 | 還有青島 |
| 03:10:12,420 | 03:10:14,420 | 最著名的雞腿便當 |
| 03:10:14,420 | 03:10:16,420 | 你喜歡吃哪一樣 |
| 03:10:18,420 | 03:10:20,420 | 我很久沒有吃便當 |
| 03:10:20,420 | 03:10:22,420 | 在這邊吃便當了 |
| 03:10:22,420 | 03:10:24,420 | 你有沒有覺得我現在也面色都齊順順 |
| 03:10:26,420 | 03:10:28,420 | 我要出去啊 |
| 03:10:28,420 | 03:10:30,420 | 在立法院開會也一樣 |
| 03:10:30,420 | 03:10:32,420 | 以前還有多樣性的選擇 |
| 03:10:32,420 | 03:10:34,420 | 現在只有一種選擇 |
| 03:10:34,420 | 03:10:36,420 | 就是 |
| 03:10:36,420 | 03:10:38,420 | 燙青菜 |
| 03:10:38,420 | 03:10:40,420 | 上面用倒油鍋 |
| 03:10:40,420 | 03:10:42,420 | 蒜蓉倒油 |
| 03:10:42,420 | 03:10:44,420 | 玉米都是真的 |
| 03:10:44,420 | 03:10:46,420 | 只要碰到毒油的 |
| 03:10:46,420 | 03:10:48,420 | 陰影 |
| 03:10:48,420 | 03:10:50,420 | 什麼都不敢吃 |
| 03:10:50,420 | 03:10:52,420 | 部長 |
| 03:10:52,420 | 03:10:54,420 | 這個油的事情 |
| 03:10:54,420 | 03:10:56,420 | 到現在 |
| 03:10:56,420 | 03:10:58,420 | 已經水落石出 |
| 03:10:58,420 | 03:11:00,420 | 國人可以安心的吃飯嗎 |
| 03:11:00,420 | 03:11:02,420 | 公務署 |
| 03:11:02,420 | 03:11:04,420 | 過去在非洲豬瘟的時候 |
| 03:11:04,420 | 03:11:06,420 | 扮演了一個 |
| 03:11:06,420 | 03:11:08,420 | 這個 |
| 03:11:08,420 | 03:11:10,420 | 境外 |
| 03:11:10,420 | 03:11:12,420 | 鎮國神山 |
| 03:11:12,420 | 03:11:14,420 | 的一個角色 |
| 03:11:14,420 | 03:11:16,420 | 每一隻豬 |
| 03:11:16,420 | 03:11:18,420 | 什麼豬進來 |
| 03:11:18,420 | 03:11:20,420 | 通通在境外就攔截 |
| 03:11:20,420 | 03:11:22,420 | 所以台灣這幾年 |
| 03:11:22,420 | 03:11:24,420 | 好像沒有非洲豬瘟了吧 |
| 03:11:26,420 | 03:11:28,420 | 我們對於豬肉 |
| 03:11:28,420 | 03:11:30,420 | 非常的嚴格的查緝 |
| 03:11:30,420 | 03:11:32,420 | 對 公務署非常嚴格 |
| 03:11:32,420 | 03:11:34,420 | 在去年吧 |
| 03:11:34,420 | 03:11:36,420 | 去年曾經在台中有過 |
| 03:11:36,420 | 03:11:38,420 | 也在防疫上做了相當的徹底 |
| 03:11:38,420 | 03:11:40,420 | 有一小段 |
| 03:11:40,420 | 03:11:42,420 | 整體的話 |
| 03:11:42,420 | 03:11:44,420 | 整體還是不錯 |
| 03:11:44,420 | 03:11:46,420 | 現在的討論 |
| 03:11:46,420 | 03:11:48,420 | 油 為什麼油 |
| 03:11:48,420 | 03:11:50,420 | 在公務署你沒有辦法在前面 |
| 03:11:50,420 | 03:11:52,420 | 要進來的時候全面就把它擋住 |
| 03:11:52,420 | 03:11:54,420 | 對油這個部分 |
| 03:11:54,420 | 03:11:56,420 | 衛福部已經說得很清楚了 |
| 03:11:56,420 | 03:11:58,420 | 第一個就是說 |
| 03:11:58,420 | 03:12:00,420 | 在進口的時候 |
| 03:12:00,420 | 03:12:02,420 | 他後續的產製的過程 |
| 03:12:02,420 | 03:12:04,420 | 自己調整了相關的一個 |
| 03:12:04,420 | 03:12:06,420 | 規律然後後面產製的過程當中 |
| 03:12:06,420 | 03:12:08,420 | 又沒有做好相關的 |
| 03:12:08,420 | 03:12:10,420 | 一些應該要做的事情 |
| 03:12:10,420 | 03:12:12,420 | 那這個部分說清楚 |
| 03:12:12,420 | 03:12:14,420 | 海關這個部分對於進口的 |
| 03:12:14,420 | 03:12:16,420 | 一些譬如說黃豆 |
| 03:12:16,420 | 03:12:18,420 | 他們都必須要經過相關的一個 |
| 03:12:18,420 | 03:12:20,420 | 檢驗以後也就是由食藥署 |
| 03:12:20,420 | 03:12:22,420 | 跟防檢局檢驗以後海關才會 |
| 03:12:22,420 | 03:12:24,420 | 放行的 |
| 03:12:24,420 | 03:12:26,420 | 海關有不同的執掌 |
| 03:12:26,420 | 03:12:28,420 | 那檢疫機關有檢疫機關的執掌 |
| 03:12:28,420 | 03:12:30,420 | 海關也是有一個 |
| 03:12:30,420 | 03:12:32,420 | 他的責任在那個地方 |
| 03:12:32,420 | 03:12:34,420 | 就工作分配上 |
| 03:12:34,420 | 03:12:36,420 | 那我請問一下彭署長 |
| 03:12:36,420 | 03:12:38,420 | 那截至目前為止 |
| 03:12:38,420 | 03:12:40,420 | 國內的油到底有沒有毒 |
| 03:12:40,420 | 03:12:42,420 | 能不能吃 |
| 03:12:44,420 | 03:12:46,420 | 我都有在吃 |
| 03:12:46,420 | 03:12:48,420 | 報告委 |
| 03:12:48,420 | 03:12:50,420 | 你都在吃 |
| 03:12:50,420 | 03:12:52,420 | 我吃到不敢吃了 |
| 03:12:52,420 | 03:12:54,420 | 有人說已經四個月了 |
| 03:12:54,420 | 03:12:56,420 | 還有提到說是 |
| 03:12:56,420 | 03:12:58,420 | 其實四年前就發生 |
| 03:12:58,420 | 03:13:00,420 | 有這個毒油的事情 |
| 03:13:00,420 | 03:13:02,420 | 通通蓋牌 |
| 03:13:02,420 | 03:13:04,420 | 那署長你 |
| 03:13:04,420 | 03:13:06,420 | 身為第一線的從業人員 |
| 03:13:06,420 | 03:13:08,420 | 當然我知道責任不是在你們 |
| 03:13:08,420 | 03:13:10,420 | 最主要是另外兩個 |
| 03:13:10,420 | 03:13:12,420 | 其他的單位 |
| 03:13:12,420 | 03:13:14,420 | 你不會想到 |
| 03:13:14,420 | 03:13:16,420 | 對於自己 |
| 03:13:16,420 | 03:13:18,420 | 安全健康會有很大的 |
| 03:13:18,420 | 03:13:20,420 | 威脅 |
| 03:13:20,420 | 03:13:22,420 | 你會不會你們家有沒有 |
| 03:13:22,420 | 03:13:24,420 | 有家人 |
| 03:13:24,420 | 03:13:26,420 | 你家裡有家人有沒有小孩 |
| 03:13:26,420 | 03:13:28,420 | 有 |
| 03:13:28,420 | 03:13:30,420 | 你不會在 |
| 03:13:30,420 | 03:13:32,420 | 每天在外食 |
| 03:13:32,420 | 03:13:34,420 | 吃便當的時候想到說 |
| 03:13:34,420 | 03:13:36,420 | 那家裡的小孩如果每天 |
| 03:13:36,420 | 03:13:38,420 | 都是吃這個毒食 |
| 03:13:38,420 | 03:13:40,420 | 毒油會影響到他們 |
| 03:13:40,420 | 03:13:42,420 | 一輩子的健康 |
| 03:13:42,420 | 03:13:44,420 | 你不會怕嗎 |
| 03:13:44,420 | 03:13:46,420 | 報告委員那政府機關對於食品安全 |
| 03:13:46,420 | 03:13:48,420 | 一定會落實去執行 |
| 03:13:48,420 | 03:13:50,420 | 嚴格的執行這是 |
| 03:13:50,420 | 03:13:52,420 | 不會妥協的事情 |
| 03:13:52,420 | 03:13:54,420 | 是你講得很漂亮 |
| 03:13:54,420 | 03:13:56,420 | 可是你能保證 |
| 03:13:56,420 | 03:13:58,420 | 我們現在外面 |
| 03:13:58,420 | 03:14:00,420 | 每一頓吃午餐 |
| 03:14:00,420 | 03:14:02,420 | 外食足可以 |
| 03:14:02,420 | 03:14:04,420 | 吃的都沒問題嗎 |
| 03:14:04,420 | 03:14:06,420 | 就是今天我在台灣 |
| 03:14:06,420 | 03:14:08,420 | 吃這些 |
| 03:14:08,420 | 03:14:10,420 | 美食或到路邊攤 |
| 03:14:10,420 | 03:14:12,420 | 去吃你可以 |
| 03:14:12,420 | 03:14:14,420 | 保證我不會吃到毒油嗎 |
| 03:14:16,420 | 03:14:18,420 | 今天 |
| 03:14:18,420 | 03:14:20,420 | 對 |
| 03:14:22,420 | 03:14:24,420 | 報告委員要我保證 |
| 03:14:24,420 | 03:14:26,420 | 不好意思 |
| 03:14:26,420 | 03:14:28,420 | 你不能保證可是 |
| 03:14:28,420 | 03:14:30,420 | 因為大家都覺得你是海關 |
| 03:14:30,420 | 03:14:32,420 | 第一線你如果都攔截 |
| 03:14:32,420 | 03:14:34,420 | 下來就不會有毒油 |
| 03:14:34,420 | 03:14:36,420 | 流進來 |
| 03:14:36,420 | 03:14:38,420 | 跟委員報告這一次 |
| 03:14:38,420 | 03:14:40,420 | 毒油事件應該 |
| 03:14:40,420 | 03:14:42,420 | 不是發生在進口端的部分 |
| 03:14:42,420 | 03:14:44,420 | 據衛福部 |
| 03:14:44,420 | 03:14:46,420 | 他們的調查報告應該是在 |
| 03:14:46,420 | 03:14:48,420 | 製程的部分 |
| 03:14:48,420 | 03:14:50,420 | 從第一天開始 |
| 03:14:50,420 | 03:14:52,420 | 就是在 |
| 03:14:52,420 | 03:14:54,420 | 隨便甩鍋給巴西 |
| 03:14:54,420 | 03:14:56,420 | 巴西的黃豆 |
| 03:14:58,420 | 03:15:00,420 | 其他也不是 |
| 03:15:00,420 | 03:15:02,420 | 現在有此一說是製程 |
| 03:15:02,420 | 03:15:04,420 | 出了問題 |
| 03:15:04,420 | 03:15:06,420 | 因為國內的油進來就是兩中 |
| 03:15:06,420 | 03:15:08,420 | 對不對 |
| 03:15:08,420 | 03:15:10,420 | 一個大統一嘛 佔百分之多少 |
| 03:15:10,420 | 03:15:12,420 | 國內的油 |
| 03:15:12,420 | 03:15:14,420 | 那個經部知道 |
| 03:15:14,420 | 03:15:16,420 | 跟委員報告百分之五十 |
| 03:15:16,420 | 03:15:18,420 | 五十 |
| 03:15:18,420 | 03:15:20,420 | 中聯百分之三十五 |
| 03:15:20,420 | 03:15:22,420 | 百分之三十五 |
| 03:15:22,420 | 03:15:24,420 | 那你應該進來的源頭就把它 |
| 03:15:24,420 | 03:15:26,420 | 管制好 |
| 03:15:26,420 | 03:15:28,420 | 結果現在他剛剛講說是製程 |
| 03:15:28,420 | 03:15:30,420 | 是不是 兩個製程不一樣 |
| 03:15:30,420 | 03:15:32,420 | 跟委員報告這個當然 |
| 03:15:32,420 | 03:15:34,420 | 從美國跟巴西的大豆 |
| 03:15:34,420 | 03:15:36,420 | 來源不同它的品質也不同 |
| 03:15:36,420 | 03:15:38,420 | 但是在雖然不同 |
| 03:15:38,420 | 03:15:40,420 | 但是可以透過製程的方式來去做 |
| 03:15:40,420 | 03:15:42,420 | 調整 |
| 03:15:42,420 | 03:15:44,420 | 針對昨天這個衛福部食藥署的報告 |
| 03:15:44,420 | 03:15:46,420 | 是針對 |
| 03:15:46,420 | 03:15:48,420 | 不管是豆子的來源 |
| 03:15:48,420 | 03:15:50,420 | 也好或者是 |
| 03:15:50,420 | 03:15:52,420 | 製程的部分其實都有一些 |
| 03:15:52,420 | 03:15:54,420 | 它相關的問題存在 |
| 03:15:54,420 | 03:15:56,420 | 那我們就從製程來說好了 |
| 03:15:56,420 | 03:15:58,420 | 大統一它用的 |
| 03:15:58,420 | 03:16:00,420 | 是法國的機器 |
| 03:16:00,420 | 03:16:02,420 | 所以它是用真空 |
| 03:16:02,420 | 03:16:04,420 | 抽取的 是安全的 |
| 03:16:04,420 | 03:16:06,420 | 現在問題就是出在 |
| 03:16:06,420 | 03:16:08,420 | 中聯的這個部分 |
| 03:16:08,420 | 03:16:10,420 | 它佔了市場百分之 |
| 03:16:10,420 | 03:16:12,420 | 35% |
| 03:16:12,420 | 03:16:14,420 | 但是你知道以前我們都講說 |
| 03:16:14,420 | 03:16:16,420 | 四斤黃豆 |
| 03:16:16,420 | 03:16:18,420 | 四斤黃豆換一斤油 |
| 03:16:18,420 | 03:16:20,420 | 結果它現在 |
| 03:16:20,420 | 03:16:22,420 | 因為公益的 |
| 03:16:22,420 | 03:16:24,420 | 投機取巧 |
| 03:16:24,420 | 03:16:26,420 | 變成三斤的黃豆 |
| 03:16:26,420 | 03:16:28,420 | 就要炸出一斤的油 |
| 03:16:28,420 | 03:16:30,420 | 問題出在哪裡 |
| 03:16:32,420 | 03:16:34,420 | 大豆 |
| 03:16:34,420 | 03:16:36,420 | 其實是會酸的 |
| 03:16:36,420 | 03:16:38,420 | 那酸 |
| 03:16:38,420 | 03:16:40,420 | 它為了要 |
| 03:16:40,420 | 03:16:42,420 | 省成本就加入了 |
| 03:16:42,420 | 03:16:44,420 | 化學的鹼性 |
| 03:16:44,420 | 03:16:46,420 | 酸鹼中和 |
| 03:16:46,420 | 03:16:48,420 | 所以那個漏斗下來 |
| 03:16:48,420 | 03:16:50,420 | 就是中和了以後 |
| 03:16:50,420 | 03:16:52,420 | 可能百分之五還是百分之十 |
| 03:16:52,420 | 03:16:54,420 | 的油它就把它漏掉 |
| 03:16:54,420 | 03:16:56,420 | 可是為什麼三斤的 |
| 03:16:56,420 | 03:16:58,420 | 黃豆變一斤的油 |
| 03:16:58,420 | 03:17:00,420 | 就是很簡單嘛 |
| 03:17:00,420 | 03:17:02,420 | 鹼多加一點 |
| 03:17:02,420 | 03:17:04,420 | 鹼性啊 這些化學品多加了 |
| 03:17:04,420 | 03:17:06,420 | 一點 所以變成 |
| 03:17:06,420 | 03:17:08,420 | 多加了以後 改變 |
| 03:17:08,420 | 03:17:10,420 | 你一稍微有狀況 |
| 03:17:10,420 | 03:17:12,420 | 那個毒油的 |
| 03:17:12,420 | 03:17:14,420 | 本田皮就跑出來了 |
| 03:17:14,420 | 03:17:16,420 | 你可能比較清楚 |
| 03:17:16,420 | 03:17:18,420 | 是不是這樣子 |
| 03:17:18,420 | 03:17:20,420 | 跟委員報告 這個部分 |
| 03:17:20,420 | 03:17:22,420 | 並沒有那麼清楚 因為整個 |
| 03:17:22,420 | 03:17:24,420 | 整個調查報告是由 |
| 03:17:24,420 | 03:17:26,420 | 衛福部這邊來負責 那檢調 |
| 03:17:26,420 | 03:17:28,420 | 已經進入了 所以我們經濟部這邊 |
| 03:17:28,420 | 03:17:30,420 | 是沒有進到場內去做調查 |
| 03:17:30,420 | 03:17:32,420 | 好啦 我覺得 |
| 03:17:32,420 | 03:17:34,420 | 你們大家速度要快一點 |
| 03:17:34,420 | 03:17:36,420 | 到現在 |
| 03:17:36,420 | 03:17:38,420 | 時不安心啦 |
| 03:17:38,420 | 03:17:40,420 | 現在很多外國的朋友 以前都台灣是美食 |
| 03:17:40,420 | 03:17:42,420 | 美食王國 |
| 03:17:42,420 | 03:17:44,420 | 現在進來也不敢吃啦 |
| 03:17:44,420 | 03:17:46,420 | 你看那個黃仁勳 |
| 03:17:46,420 | 03:17:48,420 | 最近都沒有去夜市啦 |
| 03:17:50,420 | 03:17:52,420 | 剉了蛋 吃吃的還對 |
| 03:17:52,420 | 03:17:54,420 | 雞排也不能吃 |
| 03:17:56,420 | 03:17:58,420 | 害我現在如果再這一萬點 |
| 03:17:58,420 | 03:18:00,420 | 每一萬點我們再吃雞排 |
| 03:18:00,420 | 03:18:02,420 | 我現在想的都想要吐出來 |
| 03:18:04,420 | 03:18:06,420 | 真的啦 這個食品安全的問題 |
| 03:18:06,420 | 03:18:08,420 | 人人有責 |
| 03:18:08,420 | 03:18:10,420 | 經濟部也想想辦法 |
| 03:18:10,420 | 03:18:12,420 | 你們幫幫忙嘛 |
| 03:18:12,420 | 03:18:14,420 | 你們要有一些 |
| 03:18:14,420 | 03:18:16,420 | 製造的過程啊 |
| 03:18:16,420 | 03:18:18,420 | 去了解一下看看是怎麼樣 |
| 03:18:18,420 | 03:18:20,420 | 另外再請一下莊部長 |
| 03:18:22,420 | 03:18:24,420 | 那也請 |
| 03:18:24,420 | 03:18:26,420 | 我在這個事是跟 |
| 03:18:26,420 | 03:18:28,420 | 莊部長沒有直接的關係啦 |
| 03:18:28,420 | 03:18:30,420 | 但我覺得在 |
| 03:18:30,420 | 03:18:32,420 | 海關的部分啊 |
| 03:18:32,420 | 03:18:34,420 | 有沒有辦法來 |
| 03:18:34,420 | 03:18:36,420 | 來源的部分 |
| 03:18:36,420 | 03:18:38,420 | 最近要多加強管理 |
| 03:18:38,420 | 03:18:40,420 | 海關他有他的 |
| 03:18:40,420 | 03:18:42,420 | 執掌 當然他也會根據各個 |
| 03:18:42,420 | 03:18:44,420 | 貨品的主管機關的 |
| 03:18:44,420 | 03:18:46,420 | 要求 然後有各主管機關 |
| 03:18:46,420 | 03:18:48,420 | 該查驗的查驗 該檢疫的檢疫 |
| 03:18:48,420 | 03:18:50,420 | 不合規定的海關就不會放行 |
| 03:18:50,420 | 03:18:52,420 | 上次說 |
| 03:18:52,420 | 03:18:54,420 | 發芽的馬鈴薯要一顆一顆 |
| 03:18:54,420 | 03:18:56,420 | 檢查 現在真的有這樣 |
| 03:18:56,420 | 03:18:58,420 | 檢查嗎 |
| 03:18:58,420 | 03:19:00,420 | 這個部分應該是屬於農業部這邊 |
| 03:19:00,420 | 03:19:02,420 | 是在做處理嗎 |
| 03:19:02,420 | 03:19:04,420 | 是在農業部那邊做處理 |
| 03:19:04,420 | 03:19:06,420 | 都跟海關沒關係啊 |
| 03:19:06,420 | 03:19:08,420 | 進來不都是海關第一關 |
| 03:19:08,420 | 03:19:10,420 | 各有分工 |
| 03:19:10,420 | 03:19:12,420 | 你們能提供一些 |
| 03:19:12,420 | 03:19:14,420 | 多年的寶貴經驗 |
| 03:19:14,420 | 03:19:16,420 | 站在國民的立場 |
| 03:19:16,420 | 03:19:18,420 | 你們一定要 |
| 03:19:18,420 | 03:19:20,420 | 酸請羅司 |
| 03:19:20,420 | 03:19:22,420 | 然後多多給予 |
| 03:19:22,420 | 03:19:24,420 | 建言好不好 |
| 03:19:24,420 | 03:19:26,420 | 謝謝委員指教 |
| 03:19:26,420 | 03:19:28,420 | 另外一個就是 |
| 03:19:28,420 | 03:19:30,420 | 看到最近的股市 |
| 03:19:30,420 | 03:19:32,420 | 暴起暴落 |
| 03:19:32,420 | 03:19:34,420 | 那最近一直 |
| 03:19:34,420 | 03:19:36,420 | 跌啊 現在好像跌破 |
| 03:19:36,420 | 03:19:38,420 | 四萬點了 |
| 03:19:38,420 | 03:19:40,420 | 部長為什麼股市會跌跌不休 |
| 03:19:42,420 | 03:19:44,420 | 因為美股 |
| 03:19:44,420 | 03:19:46,420 | 還有日韓股也都下跌 |
| 03:19:46,420 | 03:19:48,420 | 然後對有一些 |
| 03:19:48,420 | 03:19:50,420 | 不確定的預期 所以會有下跌的情況 |
| 03:19:52,420 | 03:19:54,420 | 我覺得台灣的股市 |
| 03:19:54,420 | 03:19:56,420 | 韓國的股市也好 |
| 03:19:56,420 | 03:19:58,420 | 最後大概都是變成 |
| 03:19:58,420 | 03:20:00,420 | 割韭菜啦 |
| 03:20:00,420 | 03:20:02,420 | 因為我大概十幾天前 |
| 03:20:02,420 | 03:20:04,420 | 在美國的 |
| 03:20:04,420 | 03:20:06,420 | 華爾街的那個消息 |
| 03:20:06,420 | 03:20:08,420 | 他們就偷偷 |
| 03:20:08,420 | 03:20:10,420 | 有個訊息說全部要 |
| 03:20:10,420 | 03:20:12,420 | 賣股票 |
| 03:20:12,420 | 03:20:14,420 | 而且他們這個一致性的 |
| 03:20:14,420 | 03:20:16,420 | 你發現一下 |
| 03:20:16,420 | 03:20:18,420 | 這個所謂股市的上漲 |
| 03:20:18,420 | 03:20:20,420 | 下跌喔 |
| 03:20:20,420 | 03:20:22,420 | 這一次的歷史經驗 |
| 03:20:22,420 | 03:20:24,420 | 真正發動炒股的是美國 |
| 03:20:24,420 | 03:20:26,420 | 美國的聲音 |
| 03:20:26,420 | 03:20:28,420 | 你知道嗎 |
| 03:20:28,420 | 03:20:30,420 | 我是一樣跟你說 |
| 03:20:30,420 | 03:20:32,420 | 謝謝 |
| 03:20:34,420 | 03:20:36,420 | 謝謝 我們結束羅明財委員的質詢 |
| 03:20:36,420 | 03:20:38,420 | 接下來 |
| 03:20:38,420 | 03:20:40,420 | 蘇星權 蘇星權 |
| 03:20:40,420 | 03:20:42,420 | 蘇星權委員不在 |
| 03:20:42,420 | 03:20:44,420 | 接下來請楊瓊英委員 |
| 03:20:54,420 | 03:20:56,420 | 謝謝主席楊瓊發言 |
| 03:20:56,420 | 03:20:58,420 | 邀請部長 |
| 03:20:58,420 | 03:21:00,420 | 請部長 |
| 03:21:04,420 | 03:21:06,420 | 委員好 |
| 03:21:06,420 | 03:21:08,420 | 部長 我們最近的陳情案件 |
| 03:21:08,420 | 03:21:10,420 | 很多 |
| 03:21:10,420 | 03:21:12,420 | 我們也看到媒體報導 |
| 03:21:12,420 | 03:21:14,420 | 國稅局也碰到 |
| 03:21:14,420 | 03:21:16,420 | 這樣子的問題 |
| 03:21:16,420 | 03:21:18,420 | 收到欠稅通知 |
| 03:21:18,420 | 03:21:20,420 | 才知道自己是 |
| 03:21:20,420 | 03:21:22,420 | 繼承人 |
| 03:21:22,420 | 03:21:24,420 | 這樣的一個情況 |
| 03:21:24,420 | 03:21:26,420 | 包括稅務局也說 |
| 03:21:26,420 | 03:21:28,420 | 很多人 |
| 03:21:28,420 | 03:21:30,420 | 都是這樣子去碰到 |
| 03:21:30,420 | 03:21:32,420 | 既然我們是一個 |
| 03:21:32,420 | 03:21:34,420 | 有為的政府 |
| 03:21:34,420 | 03:21:36,420 | 更應當要解決目前的社會面向 |
| 03:21:36,420 | 03:21:38,420 | 我們看到 |
| 03:21:38,420 | 03:21:40,420 | 實務上它發生的 |
| 03:21:40,420 | 03:21:42,420 | 它是順位繼承人 |
| 03:21:42,420 | 03:21:44,420 | 他全數去做拋棄 |
| 03:21:44,420 | 03:21:46,420 | 繼承之後 |
| 03:21:46,420 | 03:21:48,420 | 有很多是長年 |
| 03:21:48,420 | 03:21:50,420 | 他並沒有 |
| 03:21:50,420 | 03:21:52,420 | 跟這個被繼承人他有來往 |
| 03:21:52,420 | 03:21:54,420 | 他是第三順位的 |
| 03:21:54,420 | 03:21:56,420 | 繼承人 |
| 03:21:56,420 | 03:21:58,420 | 他必須要等到我們 |
| 03:21:58,420 | 03:22:00,420 | 他收到欠稅 |
| 03:22:00,420 | 03:22:02,420 | 通知或者是使用 |
| 03:22:02,420 | 03:22:04,420 | 牌照稅的一個繳款書 |
| 03:22:04,420 | 03:22:06,420 | 他才驚覺的發現 |
| 03:22:06,420 | 03:22:08,420 | 我竟然是 |
| 03:22:08,420 | 03:22:10,420 | 法定的 |
| 03:22:10,420 | 03:22:12,420 | 繼承人 |
| 03:22:12,420 | 03:22:14,420 | 目前碰到有很多的這樣情況 |
| 03:22:14,420 | 03:22:16,420 | 甚至也因為如此 |
| 03:22:16,420 | 03:22:18,420 | 而讓他在法定的 |
| 03:22:18,420 | 03:22:20,420 | 法定的三個月的拋棄權 |
| 03:22:20,420 | 03:22:22,420 | 他已經錯失了 |
| 03:22:22,420 | 03:22:24,420 | 所以這個被繼承人 |
| 03:22:24,420 | 03:22:26,420 | 死亡之後他的名下的 |
| 03:22:26,420 | 03:22:28,420 | 這個車輛他仍舊 |
| 03:22:28,420 | 03:22:30,420 | 還是在領牌 |
| 03:22:30,420 | 03:22:32,420 | 所以後續的 |
| 03:22:32,420 | 03:22:34,420 | 開徵的使用牌照稅 |
| 03:22:34,420 | 03:22:36,420 | 他必須是要由繼承人 |
| 03:22:36,420 | 03:22:38,420 | 去做負擔 |
| 03:22:38,420 | 03:22:40,420 | 甚至也可能會 |
| 03:22:40,420 | 03:22:42,420 | 移送行政來 |
| 03:22:42,420 | 03:22:44,420 | 執行 |
| 03:22:44,420 | 03:22:46,420 | 所以當人民在收到 |
| 03:22:46,420 | 03:22:48,420 | 收到 |
| 03:22:48,420 | 03:22:50,420 | 催款通知書 |
| 03:22:50,420 | 03:22:52,420 | 才知道自己本身在法律的地位 |
| 03:22:52,420 | 03:22:54,420 | 已經是改變 |
| 03:22:54,420 | 03:22:56,420 | 那我們就反映了 |
| 03:22:56,420 | 03:22:58,420 | 相關的這個 |
| 03:22:58,420 | 03:23:00,420 | 跨機關單位 |
| 03:23:00,420 | 03:23:02,420 | 的訊息通知 |
| 03:23:02,420 | 03:23:04,420 | 跟權益告知機制 |
| 03:23:04,420 | 03:23:06,420 | 他有所斷點 |
| 03:23:06,420 | 03:23:08,420 | 有所不足 |
| 03:23:08,420 | 03:23:10,420 | 所以讓民眾在不知情的情況之下 |
| 03:23:10,420 | 03:23:12,420 | 他必須要去承擔 |
| 03:23:12,420 | 03:23:14,420 | 這個法律的風險 |
| 03:23:14,420 | 03:23:16,420 | 所以要跟部長來討論 |
| 03:23:16,420 | 03:23:18,420 | 既然他已經是成為一個 |
| 03:23:18,420 | 03:23:20,420 | 機關單位經常碰到的問題 |
| 03:23:20,420 | 03:23:22,420 | 也是一個社會所產生的 |
| 03:23:22,420 | 03:23:24,420 | 面向情境 |
| 03:23:24,420 | 03:23:26,420 | 跟問題 |
| 03:23:26,420 | 03:23:28,420 | 那麼是不是應該要全面的 |
| 03:23:28,420 | 03:23:30,420 | 來檢討 |
| 03:23:30,420 | 03:23:32,420 | 在整個 |
| 03:23:32,420 | 03:23:34,420 | 現行的這個 |
| 03:23:34,420 | 03:23:36,420 | 跟繼承案件 |
| 03:23:36,420 | 03:23:38,420 | 通知的一個機制 |
| 03:23:38,420 | 03:23:40,420 | 我們是不是要做 |
| 03:23:40,420 | 03:23:42,420 | 跨單位的一個檢討 |
| 03:23:42,420 | 03:23:44,420 | 請教部長 |
| 03:23:44,420 | 03:23:46,420 | 好謝謝 |
| 03:23:46,420 | 03:23:48,420 | 委員提出這樣的 |
| 03:23:48,420 | 03:23:50,420 | 一個議題也就是委員的重點 |
| 03:23:50,420 | 03:23:52,420 | 應該是前面順位的 |
| 03:23:52,420 | 03:23:54,420 | 繼承都拋棄繼承了 |
| 03:23:54,420 | 03:23:56,420 | 但是後順位的人卻不知道 |
| 03:23:56,420 | 03:23:58,420 | 他不知道 |
| 03:23:58,420 | 03:24:00,420 | 因為沒有來往 |
| 03:24:00,420 | 03:24:02,420 | 收到有關要繳稅的通知 |
| 03:24:02,420 | 03:24:04,420 | 那我想這個部分如果是 |
| 03:24:04,420 | 03:24:06,420 | 林委員說有很多 |
| 03:24:06,420 | 03:24:08,420 | 我們來了解一下看看在機制上 |
| 03:24:08,420 | 03:24:10,420 | 能不能有一些討論看看 |
| 03:24:10,420 | 03:24:12,420 | 可以有一個比較合理的 |
| 03:24:12,420 | 03:24:14,420 | 權益上的一個維護 |
| 03:24:14,420 | 03:24:16,420 | 好不好所以部長 |
| 03:24:16,420 | 03:24:18,420 | 這個也就是說因為在末端 |
| 03:24:18,420 | 03:24:20,420 | 你們收稅已經碰到 |
| 03:24:20,420 | 03:24:22,420 | 這樣的問題 |
| 03:24:22,420 | 03:24:24,420 | 整個在繼承案件 |
| 03:24:24,420 | 03:24:26,420 | 的通知機制 |
| 03:24:26,420 | 03:24:28,420 | 因為人民他有這個 |
| 03:24:28,420 | 03:24:30,420 | 權利法定三個月 |
| 03:24:30,420 | 03:24:32,420 | 我可以去做拋棄 |
| 03:24:32,420 | 03:24:34,420 | 但是我是不知情 |
| 03:24:34,420 | 03:24:36,420 | 因為我跟 |
| 03:24:36,420 | 03:24:38,420 | 繼承人他沒有來往 |
| 03:24:38,420 | 03:24:40,420 | 他不知道他已經拋棄 |
| 03:24:40,420 | 03:24:42,420 | 他沒有辦法不可考 |
| 03:24:42,420 | 03:24:44,420 | 除非他去問他 |
| 03:24:44,420 | 03:24:46,420 | 但是他沒有來往沒有辦法問 |
| 03:24:46,420 | 03:24:48,420 | 只有唯一等到 |
| 03:24:48,420 | 03:24:50,420 | 收到稅單 |
| 03:24:50,420 | 03:24:52,420 | 他才知道我的法律 |
| 03:24:52,420 | 03:24:54,420 | 位階法律地位我改變了 |
| 03:24:54,420 | 03:24:56,420 | 我是繼承人 |
| 03:24:56,420 | 03:24:58,420 | 那這個已經在人民的生活當中 |
| 03:24:58,420 | 03:25:00,420 | 很頻繁的 |
| 03:25:00,420 | 03:25:02,420 | 碰到所以我具體 |
| 03:25:02,420 | 03:25:04,420 | 要求是不是你們應該 |
| 03:25:04,420 | 03:25:06,420 | 跟護正法院 |
| 03:25:06,420 | 03:25:08,420 | 法院交通部 |
| 03:25:08,420 | 03:25:10,420 | 財政部 |
| 03:25:10,420 | 03:25:12,420 | 跨部會的去研討 |
| 03:25:12,420 | 03:25:14,420 | 建立一個繼承案件 |
| 03:25:14,420 | 03:25:16,420 | 的通知機制 |
| 03:25:16,420 | 03:25:18,420 | 讓人民基本的一個權益 |
| 03:25:18,420 | 03:25:20,420 | 能夠得到一個保障 |
| 03:25:22,420 | 03:25:24,420 | 也謝謝委員提這樣的一個意見 |
| 03:25:24,420 | 03:25:26,420 | 那也希望委員能夠把手上 |
| 03:25:26,420 | 03:25:28,420 | 有關的個案也提供給我們 |
| 03:25:28,420 | 03:25:30,420 | 然後我們一起來做這方面的一個討論 |
| 03:25:30,420 | 03:25:32,420 | 這個已經是媒體已經披露了我還要 |
| 03:25:32,420 | 03:25:34,420 | 提供你這個所以這個方案 |
| 03:25:34,420 | 03:25:36,420 | 那你們去研議好不好 |
| 03:25:36,420 | 03:25:38,420 | 怎麼樣讓大家 |
| 03:25:38,420 | 03:25:40,420 | 不會因為不知 |
| 03:25:40,420 | 03:25:42,420 | 而變成一個法律的風險人 |
| 03:25:42,420 | 03:25:44,420 | 好 |
| 03:25:44,420 | 03:25:46,420 | 你們去研議謝謝 |
| 03:25:46,420 | 03:25:48,420 | 謝謝我們結束楊瓊瑛委員的質詢 |
| 03:25:48,420 | 03:25:50,420 | 我們今天 |
| 03:25:50,420 | 03:25:52,420 | 發言的 |
| 03:25:52,420 | 03:25:54,420 | 林建琪 |
| 03:25:54,420 | 03:25:56,420 | 林建琪 |
| 03:25:56,420 | 03:25:58,420 | 林建琪委員不在葉言之 |
| 03:25:58,420 | 03:26:00,420 | 葉言之委員不在 |
| 03:26:00,420 | 03:26:02,420 | 我們今天登記發言的委員 |
| 03:26:02,420 | 03:26:04,420 | 本日會議 |
| 03:26:04,420 | 03:26:06,420 | 作如下的決議 |
| 03:26:06,420 | 03:26:08,420 | 說明及詢答完畢 |
| 03:26:08,420 | 03:26:10,420 | 委員質詢未及答覆 |
| 03:26:10,420 | 03:26:12,420 | 或請補充資訊 |
| 03:26:12,420 | 03:26:14,420 | 請財政部在一周之內 |
| 03:26:14,420 | 03:26:16,420 | 以書面答覆 |
| 03:26:16,420 | 03:26:18,420 | 委員另要求其憲者 |
| 03:26:18,420 | 03:26:20,420 | 重啟鎖定 |
| 03:26:20,420 | 03:26:22,420 | 第三有關海關進口 |
| 03:26:22,420 | 03:26:24,420 | 稅則部分修正草案 |
| 03:26:24,420 | 03:26:26,420 | 七案 |
| 03:26:26,420 | 03:26:28,420 | 軍令則其繼續審查 |
| 03:26:28,420 | 03:26:30,420 | 本日會議議程已進行 |
| 03:26:30,420 | 03:26:32,420 | 請完畢 |
| 03:26:32,420 | 03:26:34,420 | 尚有不在場的委員補題書面質詢 |
| 03:26:34,420 | 03:26:36,420 | 一併列入記錄刊登公報 |
| 03:26:36,420 | 03:26:38,420 | 並請議事人員協助處理 |
| 03:26:38,420 | 03:26:40,420 | 我們今天散會 |
| 03:26:40,420 | 03:26:42,420 | 大家辛苦了謝謝 |
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