iVOD / 17619

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IVOD_ID 17619
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17619
日期 2026-07-27
會議資料.會議代碼 聯席會議-11-5-19,35,20-2
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第2次聯席會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 2
會議資料.種類 聯席會議
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] 19
會議資料.委員會代碼[1] 35
會議資料.委員會代碼[2] 20
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 經濟委員會
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] 外交及國防委員會
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] 財政委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第2次聯席會議
影片種類 Full
開始時間 2026-07-27T08:30:55+08:00
結束時間 2026-07-27T16:53:00+08:00
影片長度 08:22:05
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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會議時間 2026-07-27T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第2次聯席會議(事由:一、 繼續併案審查: (一) 行政院函請審議「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。 (二) 本院國民黨黨團擬具「國防自主無人載具科技發展及採購條例草案」案。 (三) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「強化國防自主暨無人機產業發展條例草案」案。 (四) 本院委員林楚茵等17人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。 二、 併案審查: (五) 本院委員陳素月等20人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。 (六) 本院委員蔡易餘等16人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。 (七) 本院委員林宜瑾等26人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。 (八) 本院委員吳思瑤等16人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。 (九) 本院委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。 (十) 本院委員賴士葆等43人擬具「國防戰略無人載具國外採購暨技術合作特別條例草案」案。 (十一) 本院委員賴士葆等44人擬具「無人載具產業升級發展條例草案」案。 (十二) 本院委員李坤城等18人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。 (十三) 本院委員鍾佳濱等21人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購暨產業創建特別條例草案」案。 (十四) 本院委員王定宇等17人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購暨產業創建特別條例草案」案。 (第十四案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文,則不予審查)(處理))
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 因為那個還差
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 法定出席委員人數還差四個
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 報告聯席會出席委員16人
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 已足法定人數
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 那我們現在開會
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 進行報告事項
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 請宣讀上次會議議事項
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 立法院第11屆第五會籍
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 第一次聯席會議事錄
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 時間115年7月16日
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 一 行政院函景審議
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 二 本院委員林楚英等17人擬具
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 三 本院台灣民政黨黨黨團擬具
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 國防自主無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[45].text 所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報
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transcript.whisperx[47].text 請相關單位於一週內
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transcript.whisperx[108].text 之後
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transcript.whisperx[112].text 針對院會新交付審查頂十案
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transcript.whisperx[116].text 首先的話是
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transcript.whisperx[174].text 這不是訂單了就給錢就好了
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transcript.whisperx[263].text 廠商都已經可以
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transcript.whisperx[416].text recept一下
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transcript.whisperx[418].text 你要2000億
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transcript.whisperx[419].text 我們當然說2400
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transcript.whisperx[425].text 它總共只有
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transcript.whisperx[435].text 這個本來就有審計的
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transcript.whisperx[457].text 技術升級
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transcript.whisperx[463].text 其實我們都可以支持
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transcript.whisperx[477].text 但是
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transcript.whisperx[479].text 這個法案
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transcript.whisperx[487].text 經濟部次長意見嗎
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transcript.whisperx[488].text 沒有啊
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transcript.whisperx[493].text 是國防委員啊
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transcript.whisperx[494].text 我們的黃恩委員啊
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transcript.whisperx[501].text 吶
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transcript.whisperx[502].text 大家很好奇啦
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transcript.whisperx[503].text 今天主席坐在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[504].text 趙委坐在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[508].text 不是啊
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transcript.whisperx[517].text 國民黨現在誰當家啊
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transcript.whisperx[519].text 不是啊
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transcript.whisperx[533].text 專法
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transcript.whisperx[549].text 一定會在今天主委人會
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transcript.whisperx[552].text 立法院現在變成傅總召的橡皮圖章
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transcript.whisperx[553].text 我們的周圍在這裡只是個棋子啊
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transcript.whisperx[554].text 他今天在排了這個委員會
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transcript.whisperx[555].text 三個委員會聯席
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transcript.whisperx[556].text 今天只有兩個委員會開會審查
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transcript.whisperx[557].text 這個總召你
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transcript.whisperx[558].text 回去再去檢視啊
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transcript.whisperx[561].text 一個重要的法案
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transcript.whisperx[562].text 居然可以現實立法
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transcript.whisperx[563].text 我說的第一句話
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transcript.whisperx[564].text 就是藍白在野黨
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transcript.whisperx[565].text 甲桿公爭拖延
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transcript.whisperx[566].text 為什麼要在今天主委員會
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transcript.whisperx[567].text 因為今天是7月27號
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transcript.whisperx[568].text 根據我們的議事規則
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transcript.whisperx[569].text 立法院執權行司法
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transcript.whisperx[570].text 要冷凍期一個月
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transcript.whisperx[571].text 什麼時候可以表決
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transcript.whisperx[572].text 今天主委員會交互裁決協章
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transcript.whisperx[573].text 8月28號星期五
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transcript.whisperx[575].text 最後一個星期五就可以表決
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transcript.whisperx[576].text 為什麼急著在本會期期間
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transcript.whisperx[577].text 要表決這個
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transcript.whisperx[578].text 無人宰俱專法
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transcript.whisperx[579].text 就是要表態給人家看
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transcript.whisperx[580].text 那既然這麼敢
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transcript.whisperx[581].text 14個版本呢
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transcript.whisperx[582].text 今天要馬上出委員會
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transcript.whisperx[583].text 本席的條文幾條啊
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transcript.whisperx[584].text 本席的版本條文幾條啊
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transcript.whisperx[585].text 主席啊
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transcript.whisperx[586].text 14個版本
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transcript.whisperx[588].text 這就是趕工嘛
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transcript.whisperx[590].text 因為前面都在拖延啊
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transcript.whisperx[600].text 拜託在野黨
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transcript.whisperx[601].text 如果你認為行政院的版本不好
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transcript.whisperx[602].text 你認為民進黨委員的版本不好
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transcript.whisperx[604].text 先先來職
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transcript.whisperx[605].text 好不容易提出來了
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transcript.whisperx[606].text 欸這就是
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transcript.whisperx[620].text 來交互三讀表決
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transcript.whisperx[622].text 送給我們的在野黨
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transcript.whisperx[624].text 主導到這種程度
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transcript.whisperx[625].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[628].text 第二個
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transcript.whisperx[631].text 行動證明自己造假
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transcript.whisperx[632].text 自我推翻
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transcript.whisperx[638].text 不是賴委員的啦
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transcript.whisperx[639].text 賴委員的是500億特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[640].text 那時候
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transcript.whisperx[641].text 不要用特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[642].text 因為特別預算呢
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transcript.whisperx[644].text 逾越了我們立法院
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transcript.whisperx[649].text 6年的
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transcript.whisperx[654].text 如果說行政院送特別預算來
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transcript.whisperx[656].text 你們行政院啊
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transcript.whisperx[660].text 不行啊
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transcript.whisperx[661].text 你這個特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[662].text 特別預算本來就是跨年度的啊
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transcript.whisperx[663].text 跨年度才需要特別預算啊
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transcript.whisperx[664].text 那哪來的
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transcript.whisperx[675].text 那立法院更扯啊
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transcript.whisperx[676].text 可以直接指明
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transcript.whisperx[679].text 編400億給無人載具啊
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transcript.whisperx[680].text 可笑
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transcript.whisperx[681].text 可笑啊
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transcript.whisperx[683].text 砍五毛給一塊就這個意思
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transcript.whisperx[688].text 不倫不類
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transcript.whisperx[689].text 用一個條例
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transcript.whisperx[690].text 限定了超越
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transcript.whisperx[695].text 我跟他講這個支票是假的啊
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transcript.whisperx[696].text 為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[697].text 國民黨也有行動來證明自己造假
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transcript.whisperx[702].text 要全山啊
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transcript.whisperx[703].text 要特別預算你不給
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transcript.whisperx[704].text 你說給年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[705].text 放在年度預算的統籌計畫
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transcript.whisperx[710].text 能真心相信在野黨
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transcript.whisperx[711].text 相信藍白
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transcript.whisperx[713].text 無人機來保衛自己的國家嗎
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transcript.whisperx[714].text 見鬼了
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transcript.whisperx[715].text 見鬼啊
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transcript.whisperx[716].text 自我推翻
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transcript.whisperx[719].text 來證明自己造假
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transcript.whisperx[720].text 根本不是要給真心給國家
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transcript.whisperx[723].text 連現在編的440億
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transcript.whisperx[725].text 誰會相信你未來6年
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transcript.whisperx[726].text 每年會給行政院400億的
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transcript.whisperx[729].text 所以啊
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transcript.whisperx[733].text 如果你要買一棟透天柱啊
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transcript.whisperx[734].text 假設我在屏東
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transcript.whisperx[735].text 我買一間透天一處啊
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transcript.whisperx[738].text 有自備款
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transcript.whisperx[740].text 我要跟承包商說
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transcript.whisperx[742].text 萬我存好了
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transcript.whisperx[744].text 需要一段時間去
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transcript.whisperx[745].text 但是我一定時間到
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transcript.whisperx[748].text 2100億
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transcript.whisperx[749].text 條例送給我們立法院審查
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transcript.whisperx[750].text 就算通過了
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transcript.whisperx[751].text 這個額度到底最後是多少
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transcript.whisperx[752].text 還可以討論
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transcript.whisperx[756].text 這間透天一處要去
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transcript.whisperx[763].text 你說沒有
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transcript.whisperx[769].text 因為這條路是我們中人借的
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transcript.whisperx[770].text 有這樣的事情嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[773].text 他不是套地主啊
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transcript.whisperx[774].text 我剛剛說的
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transcript.whisperx[776].text 災難說太少了啦
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transcript.whisperx[783].text 真正長治久安的
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transcript.whisperx[787].text 當然要一個透天處啊
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transcript.whisperx[792].text 不是兩千四百億比較多啊
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transcript.whisperx[793].text 那是假支票啦
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transcript.whisperx[794].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[799].text 更何況
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transcript.whisperx[800].text 如果把這個比喻
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transcript.whisperx[809].text 說什麼產業需要償單
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transcript.whisperx[810].text 沒有錯啊
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transcript.whisperx[817].text 整隻去給你看
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transcript.whisperx[818].text 所以呢在這裡啊
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transcript.whisperx[819].text 我們希望啊
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transcript.whisperx[821].text 表今天的法案審查
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transcript.whisperx[822].text 很簡單
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transcript.whisperx[824].text 用來區分
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transcript.whisperx[825].text 特別預算的
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transcript.whisperx[826].text 就是真的
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transcript.whisperx[828].text 沒有預算的
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transcript.whisperx[829].text 就是假的
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transcript.whisperx[832].text 他的版本是真的
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transcript.whisperx[834].text 保託於
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transcript.whisperx[835].text 500億就是真實的國民黨現在唯一的版本
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transcript.whisperx[839].text 500億
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transcript.whisperx[841].text 這是要五塊給一毛啊
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transcript.whisperx[843].text 他說我給你500億的特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[847].text 換不到一座透天處啦
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transcript.whisperx[849].text 換不到一座
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transcript.whisperx[854].text 當然
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transcript.whisperx[855].text 賴世保委員他有兩套法案
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transcript.whisperx[858].text 他說不是
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transcript.whisperx[859].text 不用
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transcript.whisperx[860].text 這兩個併在一起
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transcript.whisperx[861].text 其實就是一個
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transcript.whisperx[864].text 本席版本就是有行政院2100萬的預算
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transcript.whisperx[865].text 特別預算額度
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transcript.whisperx[866].text 但是也有賴世保委員裡面
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transcript.whisperx[867].text 他裡面寫什麼
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transcript.whisperx[868].text 他說無人載具產業要升級條例
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transcript.whisperx[869].text 本席的版本
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transcript.whisperx[870].text 就把
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transcript.whisperx[874].text 通通都放在同一個版本
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transcript.whisperx[876].text 我還是會跟他爭取
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transcript.whisperx[884].text 符合國防部
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transcript.whisperx[886].text 然後產業升級的部分我也有
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transcript.whisperx[887].text 內容應該不亞於他的
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transcript.whisperx[890].text 包括民眾黨的版本
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transcript.whisperx[891].text 我就不便再說什麼了
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transcript.whisperx[892].text 所以我還是要呼籲一下
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transcript.whisperx[893].text 今天的審查
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transcript.whisperx[894].text 召委主席
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transcript.whisperx[895].text 是要當副總到的棋子
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transcript.whisperx[896].text 根據他們在AIT官員面前的說法
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transcript.whisperx[897].text 保證今天一定出委員會
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transcript.whisperx[898].text 我很好奇
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transcript.whisperx[899].text 為什麼要跟美國的AIT官員承諾這個呢
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transcript.whisperx[900].text 要做給誰看
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transcript.whisperx[901].text 要做給誰看
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transcript.whisperx[902].text 然後呢
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transcript.whisperx[903].text 而且一定要在8月28號
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transcript.whisperx[904].text 本月份本會期這個星期
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transcript.whisperx[905].text 一定會三讀完成
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transcript.whisperx[906].text 講得信誓旦旦
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transcript.whisperx[907].text 似乎希望自己未來到美國去的時候
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transcript.whisperx[908].text 能得到多高的層級的接待嗎
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transcript.whisperx[909].text 是這樣嗎
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transcript.whisperx[910].text 還是召委也得到了這樣的承諾
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transcript.whisperx[911].text 說實在今天出委員會
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transcript.whisperx[912].text 以後呢
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transcript.whisperx[913].text 去其他國家
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transcript.whisperx[914].text 不知道哪一個國家
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transcript.whisperx[915].text 會得到比較高規格的接待
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transcript.whisperx[916].text 錯
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transcript.whisperx[917].text 無人宅就是為了台灣
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transcript.whisperx[919].text 不是為了給誰看
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transcript.whisperx[920].text 是給人民看
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transcript.whisperx[922].text 真的全社會
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transcript.whisperx[923].text 都在關心
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transcript.whisperx[925].text 他們的國防部長
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transcript.whisperx[926].text 雖然剛被撤換掉
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transcript.whisperx[927].text 他所要堅持的一個轉型
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transcript.whisperx[928].text 就是透過先進的科技
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transcript.whisperx[929].text 結合了新創的創業家
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transcript.whisperx[930].text 在美國是如此
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transcript.whisperx[931].text 在烏克蘭義夫是如此
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transcript.whisperx[933].text 用心用力的轉型
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transcript.whisperx[934].text 從早期
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transcript.whisperx[936].text 國防部長那時候是我們的同事
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transcript.whisperx[937].text 那時候呢有一個前參謀總長李喜明
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transcript.whisperx[938].text 李將軍
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transcript.whisperx[939].text 他提出了一個不對稱
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transcript.whisperx[941].text 他提出了台灣的勝算這本書
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transcript.whisperx[942].text 這本書我還開了讀書小組去研究
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transcript.whisperx[943].text 他在那本書裡面
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transcript.whisperx[944].text 擔任過當時
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transcript.whisperx[945].text 中華民國
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transcript.whisperx[949].text 這幾年國防部也應該有看到了
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transcript.whisperx[950].text 未來不對稱作戰在台灣海島防衛的重要性
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transcript.whisperx[953].text 非但我們努力的充實之外
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transcript.whisperx[954].text 我們也發現應該要趕快的來發展無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[956].text 他們依似的就是這樣的新的科技
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transcript.whisperx[962].text 我們可以借鏡他的真實戰場經驗
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transcript.whisperx[965].text 為什麼其他的民主先進同盟
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transcript.whisperx[971].text 要把晶片拆解掉
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transcript.whisperx[972].text 因為
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transcript.whisperx[976].text 用同一個國家的武器
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transcript.whisperx[981].text 未來結合台灣
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transcript.whisperx[982].text 我們的模具充壓
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transcript.whisperx[983].text 結合我們的射出成型
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transcript.whisperx[984].text 結合我們的精密金屬
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transcript.whisperx[985].text 結合我們的小型引擎
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transcript.whisperx[986].text 這些都是台灣
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transcript.whisperx[988].text 都在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[989].text 中部南部比比皆是
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transcript.whisperx[991].text 不是只有台中有
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transcript.whisperx[995].text 這是看準了這次的商機
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transcript.whisperx[997].text 為什麼以前我們既然有這麼好的優勢
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transcript.whisperx[998].text 為什麼拼不過大疆
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transcript.whisperx[999].text 大疆便宜啊
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transcript.whisperx[1000].text 人家一萬塊的東西我們要做三萬塊啊
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transcript.whisperx[1001].text 世界市場
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transcript.whisperx[1009].text 為了抵抗
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transcript.whisperx[1015].text 上面的晶片
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transcript.whisperx[1019].text 還是
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transcript.whisperx[1027].text 機器設備的支持
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transcript.whisperx[1028].text 現在全世界在等著
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transcript.whisperx[1031].text 還是台灣有能力自主
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transcript.whisperx[1033].text 今天的法案審查至關重要
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transcript.whisperx[1034].text 本席再過去
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transcript.whisperx[1036].text 遙控無人機專章的修法以來
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transcript.whisperx[1037].text 我們就很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[1038].text 現在已經不是2017 2018
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transcript.whisperx[1039].text 空拍機濃噴機的時代
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transcript.whisperx[1040].text 現在的無人載具背負的是面對強大武力威脅的其他民主國家
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transcript.whisperx[1044].text 如果李喜明將軍出了一本叫台灣的勝算
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transcript.whisperx[1046].text 所以剛剛有委員提到
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transcript.whisperx[1047].text 2030年編了2100億的特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[1048].text 國防部中科院會不會浪子虛職浪費舞弊
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transcript.whisperx[1052].text 而是在這樣的一個預算架構之下
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transcript.whisperx[1053].text 逐步的太玄廠商
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transcript.whisperx[1056].text 讓他能將最新的技術供應給我們第一線保衛國家安全的官兵手上
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transcript.whisperx[1064].text 這個才是厲害啊
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transcript.whisperx[1066].text 讓第一線的官兵
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transcript.whisperx[1068].text 用他們自己買來跟民間採購的各式各樣創新的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[1069].text 去抵抗俄羅斯的侵略
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transcript.whisperx[1070].text 成功的就點數
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transcript.whisperx[1071].text 點數多的還可以獲配
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transcript.whisperx[1072].text 國防部配給他
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transcript.whisperx[1073].text 更多額的預算
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transcript.whisperx[1074].text 那麼他的供應商也就能夠
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transcript.whisperx[1075].text 持續的研發更好的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[1076].text 給烏軍使用
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transcript.whisperx[1077].text 這些例子也要請
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transcript.whisperx[1078].text 那些口口聲聲說
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transcript.whisperx[1079].text 要
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transcript.whisperx[1080].text 每年400億
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transcript.whisperx[1081].text 65年年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[1082].text 開這種假支票的在野黨的版本
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transcript.whisperx[1083].text 好好地回去研究一下
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transcript.whisperx[1085].text 台灣未來不需要付出
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transcript.whisperx[1086].text 這樣實際戰爭慘痛的犧牲教訓
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transcript.whisperx[1090].text 我們可以參考
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transcript.whisperx[1092].text 我們的國軍需要真正的採購
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transcript.whisperx[1093].text 不要假支票
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transcript.whisperx[1095].text 不要假支票
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transcript.whisperx[1097].text 接下來召委主席的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1098].text 可以把727828
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transcript.whisperx[1099].text 這兩個魔術數字
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transcript.whisperx[1100].text 從你的心中抹掉
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transcript.whisperx[1101].text 那個換不到任何
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transcript.whisperx[1103].text 專業社團
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transcript.whisperx[1104].text 對本委員會審查法案品質的尊重
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transcript.whisperx[1105].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[1107].text 發言
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transcript.whisperx[1109].text 本都是獨立個體
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transcript.whisperx[1111].text 我都是很自主的
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transcript.whisperx[1114].text 我2000年1999年在丹麥外傷
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transcript.whisperx[1115].text 我去過的國家
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transcript.whisperx[1116].text 不是啊
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transcript.whisperx[1117].text 也沒有任何需要靠美國的
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transcript.whisperx[1118].text 所以這個請你放心
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transcript.whisperx[1119].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[1120].text 來自產業我就回產業而已
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transcript.whisperx[1121].text 產業的世界
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transcript.whisperx[1122].text 是不受這些的
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transcript.whisperx[1123].text 只要你有實力都可以的
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transcript.whisperx[1125].text 我們請賴瑞榮委員做提案說明
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transcript.whisperx[1126].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[1127].text 今天我們來審查國防自主
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transcript.whisperx[1128].text 無人載具的採購特別條例
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transcript.whisperx[1129].text 那我們也要再次的
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transcript.whisperx[1130].text 強調從二戰爭
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transcript.whisperx[1131].text 跟進行的中東戰爭都看得出來
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transcript.whisperx[1135].text 非常的重要
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transcript.whisperx[1136].text 那這關乎到台灣的
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transcript.whisperx[1137].text 國家安全也關乎到台灣的產業
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transcript.whisperx[1138].text 發展
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transcript.whisperx[1139].text 而從這幾年來台灣的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[1141].text 那這時候如果能夠透過
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transcript.whisperx[1142].text 政府用一筆的預算支持
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transcript.whisperx[1143].text 而且透過國防部的
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transcript.whisperx[1144].text 整個採購的訂單的話
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transcript.whisperx[1145].text 它不僅能夠強化我們國防的戰力
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transcript.whisperx[1146].text 嚇阻任何敵對勢力
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transcript.whisperx[1147].text 小對台灣的一個威脅
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transcript.whisperx[1148].text 同時間也能夠
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transcript.whisperx[1150].text 有那個機會升級的一個機會
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transcript.whisperx[1151].text 同時因為有訂單穩定的訂單
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transcript.whisperx[1152].text 而能夠讓我們的產業
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transcript.whisperx[1153].text 更穩健的發展
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transcript.whisperx[1154].text 那這次我們也要求
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transcript.whisperx[1155].text 台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1156].text 也要求台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1157].text 也要求台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1158].text 也要求台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1160].text 也要求台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1161].text 也要求台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1162].text 也要求台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1163].text 也要求台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1165].text 也要求台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1168].text 而且我們也認為應該一次
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transcript.whisperx[1169].text 透過特別預算的方式
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transcript.whisperx[1170].text 一次編組讓我們
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transcript.whisperx[1171].text 用最快的時間
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transcript.whisperx[1172].text 能夠取得無人機無人艇
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transcript.whisperx[1173].text 這樣子讓台灣
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transcript.whisperx[1176].text 嚇阻敵軍任何有侵略台灣的
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transcript.whisperx[1177].text 一個意圖我想從
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transcript.whisperx[1178].text 過去不管是二戰爭
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transcript.whisperx[1179].text 中東戰爭都看出來無人機
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transcript.whisperx[1180].text 扮演了非常多以小及大
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transcript.whisperx[1181].text 成功的案例同時間
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transcript.whisperx[1182].text 這也是關鍵不對稱戰力裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1184].text 所以我們希望朝野能夠支持國防部
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transcript.whisperx[1185].text 這個行政院這樣的一個版本
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transcript.whisperx[1187].text 同時間這樣的大量的訂單
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transcript.whisperx[1189].text 也能夠讓我們的業界
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transcript.whisperx[1191].text 能夠提升我們整體產業的實力
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transcript.whisperx[1193].text 業者們的心聲
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transcript.whisperx[1197].text 大家也會擔心一次一次編列
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transcript.whisperx[1198].text 到底下一次還有沒有預算充滿了不確定性
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transcript.whisperx[1199].text 這個不僅
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transcript.whisperx[1201].text 籌組這樣的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[1202].text 有影響同時間對我們的
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transcript.whisperx[1206].text 都在支持無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[1207].text 的發展台灣更是
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transcript.whisperx[1208].text 具有一些優勢的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1210].text 全力的來支持一次用
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transcript.whisperx[1212].text 來支持國軍同時一次編組
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transcript.whisperx[1213].text 來支持產業
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transcript.whisperx[1217].text 要加列一些其他的項目
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transcript.whisperx[1218].text 讓更多未來趨勢
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transcript.whisperx[1219].text 上面發展的時候我們能夠
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transcript.whisperx[1220].text 儘速的來補足進來
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transcript.whisperx[1223].text 我們的無人機無人艇
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transcript.whisperx[1224].text 來支持我們的國軍
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transcript.whisperx[1225].text 支持我們的產業
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transcript.whisperx[1226].text 那也希望在審查的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1227].text 能夠把這樣的其他的可能性
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transcript.whisperx[1228].text 也納進來避免未來
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transcript.whisperx[1230].text 那我們最後還是要再次強調
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transcript.whisperx[1231].text 希望大家忠於國家
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transcript.whisperx[1233].text 這個無人機無人艇無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[1235].text 同時間全世界民主國家
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transcript.whisperx[1237].text 我因為反對大概只有
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transcript.whisperx[1238].text 我沒有親歷意圖的中共而已
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transcript.whisperx[1239].text 唯有支持台灣
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transcript.whisperx[1240].text 唯有支持我們的國防
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transcript.whisperx[1241].text 我有支持我們的產業
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transcript.whisperx[1245].text 支持我們的台灣
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transcript.whisperx[1246].text 支持我們的產業
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transcript.whisperx[1247].text 忠於國家忠於人民
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transcript.whisperx[1248].text 希望各位朝野立委一起努力
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transcript.whisperx[1249].text 好謝謝賴月娥
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transcript.whisperx[1250].text 那麼現在進行逐條討論
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transcript.whisperx[1251].text 請議事人員宣讀所有條文
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transcript.whisperx[1252].text 六月薛政東以及附帶決議
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transcript.whisperx[1253].text 請一併宣讀
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transcript.whisperx[1254].text 宣讀完畢後再進行協商
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transcript.whisperx[1255].text 請宣讀
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transcript.whisperx[1256].text 法案名稱行政院提案
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transcript.whisperx[1257].text 國防自主無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[1261].text 台灣民間黨團提案
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transcript.whisperx[1263].text 暨無人產業
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transcript.whisperx[1264].text 發展條例
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transcript.whisperx[1265].text 委員林楚英委員陳樹月
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transcript.whisperx[1267].text 林楚英委員吳思陽委員賴瑞榮
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transcript.whisperx[1268].text 委員李坤城等人
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transcript.whisperx[1269].text 提案軍統行政院
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transcript.whisperx[1270].text 委員賴思寶等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[1271].text 國防戰略無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[1272].text 國外採購技術合作特別條例
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transcript.whisperx[1275].text 委員鍾佳斌等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[1277].text 委員王定宇等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[1278].text 同委員鍾佳斌等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[1280].text 提案第一條
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transcript.whisperx[1288].text 打造飛鴻供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[1289].text 提升嚇阻能力確保國家安全及
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transcript.whisperx[1292].text 為因應新世代
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transcript.whisperx[1293].text 科技戰爭形態
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transcript.whisperx[1297].text 引導民間卓越支支通訊
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transcript.whisperx[1302].text 高風險供應鏈特制定本條例
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transcript.whisperx[1303].text 臺灣民政黨團提案第一條
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transcript.whisperx[1304].text 為接軌先進空中交通
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transcript.whisperx[1305].text 充實國防自主能力
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transcript.whisperx[1310].text 進入國際可信任供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[1313].text 本條例未規定者
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transcript.whisperx[1319].text 軍同行政院提案
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transcript.whisperx[1334].text 第三句 同時發展軍民兩用科技建立自主生產能力
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transcript.whisperx[1337].text 確保國家安全
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transcript.whisperx[1339].text 與同行政院提案
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transcript.whisperx[1340].text 委員賴世寶等人提案第一條
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transcript.whisperx[1342].text 為強化我國情報監視
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transcript.whisperx[1343].text 偵查與精準打擊之多層嚇阻能力
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transcript.whisperx[1345].text 服役技術移轉及工業合作
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transcript.whisperx[1346].text 提升我國無人載具產業自主研發
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transcript.whisperx[1348].text 自主特制定本條例
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transcript.whisperx[1349].text 委員賴世寶等人提案第一條
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transcript.whisperx[1355].text 拒守面對境外對勢力威脅日益嚴峻及其新型態戰爭
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transcript.whisperx[1357].text 委員王定宇等人提案第一條
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transcript.whisperx[1373].text 地方主管機關為直轄縣市政府本條例及
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transcript.whisperx[1374].text 飛航安全空域管理
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transcript.whisperx[1375].text 資通安全頻率使用政府採購
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transcript.whisperx[1380].text 委員李坤城委員鍾嘉斌等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[1382].text 除第二項本條例所技術移轉工業合作及產業升級事項
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transcript.whisperx[1383].text 由國防部會同經濟部辦理
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transcript.whisperx[1384].text 並得邀及國家科學及技術委員會
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transcript.whisperx[1385].text 國家中山科學研究院及相關法人業界協同推動
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transcript.whisperx[1386].text 與同行政院提案委員賴世寶等人提案第三條
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transcript.whisperx[1387].text 本條例主管機關為經濟部並設五人載具產業發展推動委員會
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transcript.whisperx[1388].text 統籌跨部會協調事宜
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transcript.whisperx[1389].text 本條例所設四項依其業務性質
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transcript.whisperx[1390].text 由交通部、國防部、農業部、環境部、國家科學及技術委員會
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transcript.whisperx[1391].text 財政部及其他中央目的事業主管機關依職長辦理
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transcript.whisperx[1392].text 委員王定宇等人提案第三條
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transcript.whisperx[1393].text 本條例所稱中央主管機關為經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[1394].text 設其國防軍用採購四項為國防部
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transcript.whisperx[1395].text 行政院提案第三條
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transcript.whisperx[1396].text 本條例所稱國防自主無人載具採購只主管機關及其所屬其官購部隊
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transcript.whisperx[1399].text 國民黨提案第三條
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transcript.whisperx[1400].text 基於本地
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transcript.whisperx[1401].text 軍用商規
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transcript.whisperx[1402].text 二軍用商規無人載具只以商用規格之零組件為基礎
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transcript.whisperx[1404].text 抗干擾抗電池脈衝及戰場存活率標準之無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[1405].text 三軍民公用測試場域由國防部會同地方政府及產業界共同設置
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transcript.whisperx[1406].text 公軍方及民間業者共同使用之無人載具飛機航空及作戰模擬測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[1407].text 國產化比例
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transcript.whisperx[1408].text 只無人載具於設計、製造、組裝及關鍵零組件供應過程中
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transcript.whisperx[1409].text 源自臺灣本土廠商資產
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transcript.whisperx[1411].text 第二條
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transcript.whisperx[1412].text 本條例所指無人機指無人飛機、無人直升機、無人多懸翼機以及其他經交通部民用航空局公告者
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transcript.whisperx[1413].text 本條例所稱無人機產業指從事全機系統整合、飛行載具模組、動力模組
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transcript.whisperx[1414].text 籌載模組、通訊模組、地面導控模組、飛控模組
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transcript.whisperx[1415].text 非導控模組與相關服務應用資產業
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transcript.whisperx[1416].text 本條例所稱可信任供應鏈指無人機系統及其關鍵零組件原料
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transcript.whisperx[1417].text 其來源供應及管理符合主管機關所訂製安全要求
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transcript.whisperx[1419].text 委員林楚英、委員陳樹月、委員蔡玉瑜、委員林怡錦、委員吳思堯、委員賴瑞蓉、委員李坤城、委員鍾嘉斌等提案
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transcript.whisperx[1420].text 軍同行政院提案第三條
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transcript.whisperx[1421].text 委員賴思堡等提案第三條
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transcript.whisperx[1422].text 本戰略所稱國防戰略無人載具採購指主管機關及其所屬機關構部隊辦理第四條所訂項目之主要裝備系統與其資源系統之獲得產製共同生產
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transcript.whisperx[1424].text 前項採購以美國或與其他國家所產製或授權之裝備為主
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transcript.whisperx[1427].text 本條律用詞定義如下
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transcript.whisperx[1428].text 一無人載具產業指研發設計製造整合測試及
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transcript.whisperx[1430].text 感測模組非控軟體邊緣運算平台遠端操控系統相關相關服務平台及其他金主管機關公告之智慧載具之產業
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transcript.whisperx[1434].text 目所列無人載具及其測其他策略性無人載具產品三無人機子無線電遙控自動程式控制或人工智慧自主控制方式
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transcript.whisperx[1437].text 無人水面及水下載具只以遠端操控或自主
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transcript.whisperx[1440].text 低延遲通訊模組及自動避障系統等7智慧載具創新技術平台
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transcript.whisperx[1443].text 此辦法
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transcript.whisperx[1444].text 委員王定宇等人提案第二條本條例所稱無人載具只具備自動
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transcript.whisperx[1447].text 法所定所定之發設載具及太空航距
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transcript.whisperx[1448].text 行政院提案第四條本條例所定國防自主無人載具採購之項目如下
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transcript.whisperx[1449].text 一冰海偵測行無人機二冰海攻擊行無人機三自行
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transcript.whisperx[1450].text 小型自殺無人機國民黨團提案第十六條前條預算之支用以下列項目違憲
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transcript.whisperx[1451].text 一無人均用無人載具之採購產製維修工程及訓練二均民共用場域測試場域之設置及維運費用
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transcript.whisperx[1482].text 委員 蔡玉宇
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transcript.whisperx[1483].text 其他無人載具與同行政院提案
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transcript.whisperx[1484].text 委員戴世保等人提案第四條
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transcript.whisperx[1485].text 本條例所訂國防戰略無人載具採購
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transcript.whisperx[1486].text 已具備下列一款或數款作戰能力之無人載具系統及其支援裝備為範疇
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transcript.whisperx[1487].text 依高空航空
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transcript.whisperx[1488].text 高空長航時廣域情報監視及偵測能力
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transcript.whisperx[1489].text 二 精準打擊目標定位或電子作戰能力
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transcript.whisperx[1490].text 三 廣域海域或空域持續監控及反潛能力
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transcript.whisperx[1491].text 四 有人無人協同作戰及任務自主能力
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transcript.whisperx[1492].text 五 其他具備戰略價值之先進無人載具能力
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transcript.whisperx[1493].text 前項各款所趨之兼指揮管制與
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transcript.whisperx[1494].text 情偵測整合系統
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transcript.whisperx[1495].text 衛星資料鏈地面管制戰機感測
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transcript.whisperx[1496].text 籌載得以並納入採購範圍
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transcript.whisperx[1497].text 才購之
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transcript.whisperx[1498].text 具體品項數量及優先順序由主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[1499].text 建軍備戰需求聯邦技術可獲得性及國內產業產能
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transcript.whisperx[1500].text 結產接能量
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transcript.whisperx[1501].text 逐年核定後提報行政院
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transcript.whisperx[1502].text 行政院提案第五條
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transcript.whisperx[1503].text 本條例所需經費上限為新臺幣兩千一百億
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transcript.whisperx[1504].text 以特別預算方式編列
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transcript.whisperx[1505].text 其預算編制不受預算法第23條不得充經常性
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transcript.whisperx[1506].text 支出規定之限制前項所需經費來源
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transcript.whisperx[1507].text 得以引用以前年度稅計剩餘或舉介債務方式辦理
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transcript.whisperx[1508].text 其年度舉介債務之額度不受公司公共債務法第五條
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transcript.whisperx[1509].text 第七項規定之限制
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transcript.whisperx[1510].text 中央政府總預算及本特別預算與本條例施行期間之舉債額度合計數
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transcript.whisperx[1512].text 本條例施行期間中央政府舉介之一年以上公共債務未償餘額預算數
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transcript.whisperx[1513].text 因依本公共債務法第五條第一項規定辦理
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transcript.whisperx[1514].text 國民黨提案第15條
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transcript.whisperx[1515].text 為建立長期穩健之無人載具產業發展及國防建設機制
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transcript.whisperx[1517].text 強化國防自主能量建構安全可信任之供應鏈體系
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transcript.whisperx[1518].text 及提升國際競爭力
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transcript.whisperx[1519].text 中央政府應循每年預算程序
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transcript.whisperx[1520].text 每年編制新臺幣400億元
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transcript.whisperx[1521].text 連續編列6年
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transcript.whisperx[1522].text 總額為新臺幣2400億元
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transcript.whisperx[1524].text 委員陳樹月等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[1525].text 委員蔡育宇等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[1526].text 委員李怡菁等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[1527].text 委員吳思瑤
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transcript.whisperx[1528].text 等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[1529].text 委員
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transcript.whisperx[1530].text 委員李坤城等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[1531].text 委員鍾嘉斌等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[1532].text 軍同行政院提案第五條
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transcript.whisperx[1533].text 委員賴瑞榮等人提案第五條
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transcript.whisperx[1534].text 拒守新臺幣為2400億元
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transcript.whisperx[1535].text 於同行政院提案
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transcript.whisperx[1536].text 委員賴世保等人提案第六條
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transcript.whisperx[1537].text 本條例所需經費上限為
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transcript.whisperx[1538].text 新臺幣500億元
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transcript.whisperx[1539].text 以特別預算方式編列
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transcript.whisperx[1540].text 其預算編制不受預算法
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transcript.whisperx[1541].text 第23條不得充經償
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transcript.whisperx[1542].text 支出規定之限制
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transcript.whisperx[1543].text 前項經費應依第五條
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transcript.whisperx[1544].text 第四項規定提撥不低於
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transcript.whisperx[1545].text 10%專攻技術移轉接收
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transcript.whisperx[1546].text 產業化及維修量能建立之用
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transcript.whisperx[1547].text 第四項同行政院提案
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transcript.whisperx[1548].text 第2項及第3項
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transcript.whisperx[1549].text 委員王定宇等人提案第五條
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transcript.whisperx[1550].text 中央主管機關國防部或
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transcript.whisperx[1551].text 目的事業主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[1553].text 與採購需求其所需經費
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transcript.whisperx[1554].text 以特別預算方式編列
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transcript.whisperx[1555].text 其預算編制不受預算法
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transcript.whisperx[1556].text 第23條規定之限制
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transcript.whisperx[1559].text 辦理採一年一期方式編列
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transcript.whisperx[1560].text 期滿後續預算及期成
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transcript.whisperx[1561].text 經立法院同意後分其辦理預算籌編及審議
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transcript.whisperx[1562].text 第3項及第4項同行政院提案
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transcript.whisperx[1563].text 第2項及第3項
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transcript.whisperx[1564].text 行政院提案第6條
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transcript.whisperx[1565].text 本條例所列預算之執行審計機關
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transcript.whisperx[1566].text 應依法辦理審計
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transcript.whisperx[1567].text 委員林楚英
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transcript.whisperx[1568].text 委員陳樹月
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transcript.whisperx[1569].text 委員蔡玉瑜
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transcript.whisperx[1570].text 委員林依瑾
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transcript.whisperx[1573].text 委員李坤誠
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transcript.whisperx[1574].text 委員鍾佳斌
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transcript.whisperx[1575].text 等人提案
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transcript.whisperx[1576].text 軍同行政院提案第6條
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transcript.whisperx[1577].text 委員王定宇等人提案第16條
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transcript.whisperx[1579].text 應依下列規定辦理
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transcript.whisperx[1580].text 1審計機關
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transcript.whisperx[1581].text 應依法辦理審計
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transcript.whisperx[1582].text 2主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[1583].text 依預算法第63條辦理
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transcript.whisperx[1584].text 劉詠潛
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transcript.whisperx[1585].text 非經立法院同意不得留用
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transcript.whisperx[1586].text 主管機關應專案列管及考核
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transcript.whisperx[1587].text 本條例所列計畫之執行
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transcript.whisperx[1589].text 其向立法院提出專案報告
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transcript.whisperx[1590].text 本機關及其上級機關
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transcript.whisperx[1591].text 應依法執行並落實監督機制
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transcript.whisperx[1592].text 本條例施行屆滿之日
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transcript.whisperx[1593].text 次年5月底前
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transcript.whisperx[1594].text 主管機關應就其
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transcript.whisperx[1595].text 實施成效
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transcript.whisperx[1596].text 作成總報告並送立法院
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transcript.whisperx[1597].text 委員國民黨提案第四條
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transcript.whisperx[1598].text 國防部應依量大
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transcript.whisperx[1599].text 駕聯智慧化分布式資源
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transcript.whisperx[1600].text 則訂立無人載具防衛體系
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transcript.whisperx[1602].text 應每2年滾動檢討一次
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transcript.whisperx[1604].text 國際先進
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transcript.whisperx[1605].text 國家之發展趨勢調整
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transcript.whisperx[1608].text 提升國防戰力產業發展
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transcript.whisperx[1610].text 性發展報告
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transcript.whisperx[1611].text 臺灣民眾黨團提案第五條
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transcript.whisperx[1612].text 經濟部應會同相關機關
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transcript.whisperx[1613].text 每4年提出無人產業發展綱領
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transcript.whisperx[1614].text 並每2年檢討修正
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transcript.whisperx[1615].text 涉及國防運用事項
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transcript.whisperx[1616].text 應會同國防部進行
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transcript.whisperx[1617].text 前項綱領應載明下列事項
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transcript.whisperx[1618].text 1.產業發展綱領及
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transcript.whisperx[1619].text 關鍵技術期效指標
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transcript.whisperx[1620].text 2.關鍵技術自主化及國產化目標
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transcript.whisperx[1621].text 3.先進空中運輸及運用發展策略
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transcript.whisperx[1622].text 4.可信任供應鏈推動策略
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transcript.whisperx[1623].text 5.無法規條司及跨部會分工事項
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transcript.whisperx[1624].text 6.六國內市場、國際市場及外銷目標
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transcript.whisperx[1625].text 7.期仍採培育及產學合作策略
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transcript.whisperx[1626].text 8.經費需求、財源規劃及預期效益
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transcript.whisperx[1627].text 第一項所稱無人產業發展綱領
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transcript.whisperx[1628].text 應經國家無人機產業發展
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transcript.whisperx[1629].text 戰略特別委員會審議通過
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transcript.whisperx[1630].text 並經行政院核定後
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transcript.whisperx[1631].text 應送立法院
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transcript.whisperx[1632].text MAC
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transcript.whisperx[1633].text 國民黨提案第五條
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transcript.whisperx[1634].text 無人載具防衛體系之規劃
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transcript.whisperx[1635].text 應遵循分佈
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transcript.whisperx[1636].text 分佈適任性原則
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transcript.whisperx[1637].text 避免集中分佈或集中產生
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transcript.whisperx[1638].text 1.無人載具之生產基地
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transcript.whisperx[1639].text 應分佈於至少三個不同縣市
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transcript.whisperx[1640].text 不得集中於單一地理區域
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transcript.whisperx[1641].text 以降低遭受集中打擊之風險
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transcript.whisperx[1642].text 2.無人載具之戰備儲存
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transcript.whisperx[1643].text 應分散於不同據點
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transcript.whisperx[1644].text 單一據點儲存量不得超過總佔
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transcript.whisperx[1645].text 儲存量至25%
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transcript.whisperx[1646].text 3.無人載具之操作
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transcript.whisperx[1648].text 應建立分散式備員架構
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transcript.whisperx[1649].text 確保單點實能不致癱瘓整體
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transcript.whisperx[1650].text 作戰能力
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transcript.whisperx[1651].text 國民黨提案第六條
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transcript.whisperx[1652].text 國防部應會同地方政府
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transcript.whisperx[1653].text 於本條例施行後一年內
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transcript.whisperx[1654].text 於本條例第五條
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transcript.whisperx[1655].text 鎖定不同地理區域規劃至少三處
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transcript.whisperx[1656].text 均民共用測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[1657].text 供軍方民間業者共同使用
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transcript.whisperx[1658].text 進行無人載具之非控
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transcript.whisperx[1659].text 航空
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transcript.whisperx[1660].text 抗干擾及作戰模擬測試
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transcript.whisperx[1661].text 臺灣民眾黨團提案第七條
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transcript.whisperx[1662].text 經濟部應會同相關機關及地方主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[1663].text 化設無人機測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[1667].text 於前二項場域進行創新實驗者
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transcript.whisperx[1668].text 中央主管機關得排除或調整部分法規限制
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transcript.whisperx[1669].text 並建立飛行操作安全及性能資料回饋機制
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transcript.whisperx[1671].text 委員賴思堡等人提案第十四條
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transcript.whisperx[1672].text 為加速無人載具產品商業化
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transcript.whisperx[1674].text 應依據無人載具科技創新實驗條例
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transcript.whisperx[1677].text 行駛或航行並建立配套之測驗場域
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transcript.whisperx[1678].text 提供電池干擾測試環境適應測試及
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transcript.whisperx[1680].text 中央目的事業主管機關對於無人
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transcript.whisperx[1681].text 載具產品上市前所需通過之刑事認證
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transcript.whisperx[1682].text 軟體驗證資安檢測飛航
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transcript.whisperx[1683].text 四航審查等應訂定公開透明之流程及
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transcript.whisperx[1684].text 一人化審查制度並應建立專業審查能量及
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transcript.whisperx[1687].text 應配合提供技術輔導
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transcript.whisperx[1688].text 委員宗嘉斌的人提案第12條委員因會同相關
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transcript.whisperx[1689].text 目的事業主管機關與本條例實施期限內
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transcript.whisperx[1692].text 其他相關之基礎設施前相測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[1702].text 應遵循事項之辦法由委員會會同相關目的事業主管機關規定
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transcript.whisperx[1704].text 第十一條除增加第二項
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transcript.whisperx[1705].text 於前項測試場域內進行無人載具之創新實驗
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transcript.whisperx[1709].text 製造登記檢驗人員
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transcript.whisperx[1710].text 測驗及飛航管自治規定
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transcript.whisperx[1712].text 帳糧設備航行限制及人員配置之規定
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transcript.whisperx[1713].text 三 道路交通管理處罰條例及公路法有關
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transcript.whisperx[1717].text 五 其他經中央主管機關會商相關目的事業主管機關指定
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transcript.whisperx[1718].text 並公告排除適用之法規
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transcript.whisperx[1719].text 與同委員宗嘉斌等人提案第十二條
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transcript.whisperx[1841].text 應發給有效期兩年之認證證書
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transcript.whisperx[1850].text 優先與已建立資安標準之
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transcript.whisperx[1851].text 國際夥伴進行技術交流及聯合研發
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transcript.whisperx[1854].text 制定創造外銷商機
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transcript.whisperx[1855].text 三提升臺灣在全球無人載具產業供應鏈之關鍵地位
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transcript.whisperx[1856].text 國民黨提案第十四條
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transcript.whisperx[1858].text 提供虛偽資料或經查或使用
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transcript.whisperx[1863].text 期限不少於三年
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transcript.whisperx[1874].text 採購採購案金額超過新臺幣一億元者主辦機關
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transcript.whisperx[1881].text 應公開發佈
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transcript.whisperx[1898].text 審議無人機產業發展
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transcript.whisperx[1899].text 綱領及重大政策事項
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transcript.whisperx[1900].text 預有重大事件
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transcript.whisperx[1901].text 得召開臨時會議
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transcript.whisperx[1902].text 委員會議之會議記錄
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transcript.whisperx[1903].text 應以刊載行政院網站之方式
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transcript.whisperx[1904].text 主動公開
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transcript.whisperx[1905].text 內容應包括會議
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transcript.whisperx[1906].text 會議次別、會議時間、開會地點
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transcript.whisperx[1907].text 主席、出席委員
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transcript.whisperx[1908].text 按由議程
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transcript.whisperx[1909].text 決議內容
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transcript.whisperx[1910].text 委員會設置
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transcript.whisperx[1911].text 委員會制委員13人制17人
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transcript.whisperx[1912].text 其中一人為行政
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transcript.whisperx[1913].text 為主任委員
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transcript.whisperx[1914].text 由行政院副院長兼任
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transcript.whisperx[1915].text 其餘委員由
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transcript.whisperx[1916].text 經濟部、國防部、交通部、國家通訊
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transcript.whisperx[1917].text 傳播委員會、公共工程委員會
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transcript.whisperx[1918].text 等相關機關
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transcript.whisperx[1919].text 首長兼任
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transcript.whisperx[1920].text 及由中央主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[1921].text 就立法院各黨團
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transcript.whisperx[1922].text 推薦之學者、專家
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transcript.whisperx[1923].text 遴選之前相
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transcript.whisperx[1924].text 零聘資委員人數不得少於
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transcript.whisperx[1925].text 委員總額
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transcript.whisperx[1926].text 二分之一
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transcript.whisperx[1927].text 聘期為兩年期滿得續聘資
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transcript.whisperx[1928].text 聘期內
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transcript.whisperx[1929].text 因故改聘者
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transcript.whisperx[1930].text 其聘其志願
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transcript.whisperx[1931].text 聘委員、聘其屆滿之日
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transcript.whisperx[1932].text 為止
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transcript.whisperx[1933].text 委員會幕僚作業由經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[1934].text 辦理其組成任務及運作方式
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transcript.whisperx[1935].text 由行政院定資
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transcript.whisperx[1936].text 委員宗嘉斌等人提案第三條
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transcript.whisperx[1937].text 行政院因設
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transcript.whisperx[1938].text 無人載具自主發展委員會
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transcript.whisperx[1939].text 簡稱委員會統籌
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transcript.whisperx[1940].text 協調無人載具產業
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transcript.whisperx[1941].text 發展、採購及本條例之
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transcript.whisperx[1942].text 相關政策
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transcript.whisperx[1943].text 計畫與跨機關事項
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transcript.whisperx[1944].text 並就各機關推動情形
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transcript.whisperx[1945].text 進行管考
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transcript.whisperx[1946].text 委員會之組成任務、運作方式及利益回避、保密義務
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transcript.whisperx[1947].text 國家安全查核機制
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transcript.whisperx[1948].text 由行政院
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transcript.whisperx[1949].text 由行政院
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transcript.whisperx[1951].text 辦法定資
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transcript.whisperx[1952].text 王定宇委員提案第四條
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transcript.whisperx[1953].text 增訂第二項
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transcript.whisperx[1954].text 委員會制委員十一人
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transcript.whisperx[1955].text 其中一人為主任委員
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transcript.whisperx[1956].text 由行政院副院長兼任之
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transcript.whisperx[1957].text 五名委員由經濟部、國防部、交通部
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transcript.whisperx[1958].text 國家通訊傳播委員會及公共工程委員會之
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transcript.whisperx[1959].text 機關首長兼任
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transcript.whisperx[1960].text 第三
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transcript.whisperx[1961].text 第三項
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transcript.whisperx[1962].text 前項另外六名委員由行政院院長
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transcript.whisperx[1963].text 就無人載具國防
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transcript.whisperx[1964].text 資訊科技等領域
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transcript.whisperx[1965].text 知傑出實務經驗學術成就知學者
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transcript.whisperx[1966].text 專家靈聘之
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transcript.whisperx[1967].text 委員聘期兩年
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transcript.whisperx[1968].text 任期期滿得續聘資
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transcript.whisperx[1970].text 臺灣民眾黨團體案第六條
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transcript.whisperx[1971].text 經濟部因會同相關機關
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transcript.whisperx[1972].text 逐步推動無人機安全融入
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transcript.whisperx[1974].text 建立一超市
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transcript.whisperx[1975].text 超市具飛行管理制度
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transcript.whisperx[1976].text 夜間飛
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transcript.whisperx[1977].text 夜間飛行群飛及自主
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transcript.whisperx[1978].text 飛行管理制度
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transcript.whisperx[1979].text 三遠端識別制度
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transcript.whisperx[1980].text 四先進空中交通管理制度
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transcript.whisperx[1981].text 五電動垂直起降管理制度
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transcript.whisperx[1982].text 六其他無人機相關
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transcript.whisperx[1983].text 飛行運作制度
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transcript.whisperx[1984].text 臺灣民眾黨提案第八條
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transcript.whisperx[1985].text 中央主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[1986].text 應優先整合我國製造的
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transcript.whisperx[1987].text 無人機系統
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transcript.whisperx[1988].text 並參著國際成熟認證標準
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transcript.whisperx[1989].text 依無人機用途及風險等
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transcript.whisperx[1990].text 其建立可信任供應鏈分級認證制度
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transcript.whisperx[1991].text 前項分級認證制度軍用無人機系統
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transcript.whisperx[1992].text 軍品及關鍵零組件之認證
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transcript.whisperx[1993].text 由國防部辦理
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transcript.whisperx[1994].text 商業公共服務及其他非軍用無人機系統之認證
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transcript.whisperx[1995].text 由經濟部辦理
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transcript.whisperx[1996].text 其認證制度應依無人機用途及風險等級建立
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transcript.whisperx[1997].text 至少包括符合資通安全可信任公共鏈
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transcript.whisperx[1998].text 可信任供應鏈及國家安全要求之軍品及關鍵零組件認證
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transcript.whisperx[1999].text 以及適用於非軍用用途之簡化認證機制
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transcript.whisperx[2000].text 前兩項認證標準適用範圍
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transcript.whisperx[2002].text 由中央主管機關會商
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transcript.whisperx[2003].text 相關機關擬定並公開於網際網路
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transcript.whisperx[2004].text 委員宗嘉斌等人提案第十條
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transcript.whisperx[2005].text 安委員會因會同相關機關
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transcript.whisperx[2006].text 參酌國際認證標準
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transcript.whisperx[2007].text 依無人載具之軟硬體設備用途
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transcript.whisperx[2008].text 與國
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transcript.whisperx[2009].text 安風險等級建立供應鏈認證
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transcript.whisperx[2010].text 認證制度前向供應鏈評鑑認證制度
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transcript.whisperx[2011].text 以國防需求為目的
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transcript.whisperx[2012].text 從事研發產製維修與軍事用品質供應鏈認證
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transcript.whisperx[2013].text 由國防部辦理非屬前列目的者
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transcript.whisperx[2014].text 由經濟部辦理前二項認證標準分級標準
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transcript.whisperx[2015].text 驗證程序評鑑業務及正面表列清單
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transcript.whisperx[2016].text 由前向辦理機關會同相關機關擬定
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transcript.whisperx[2017].text 為促進產業與國際標準接軌
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transcript.whisperx[2018].text 得以外國政府或國際認證機構建立相互認證機制
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transcript.whisperx[2019].text 前向評鑑及認證業務得委託
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transcript.whisperx[2020].text 經認可之專業機關購法人或團體為之
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transcript.whisperx[2021].text 委員王定宇等人提案第九條
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transcript.whisperx[2022].text 同委員鍾嘉斌等人提案第十條
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transcript.whisperx[2023].text 臺灣民眾黨提案第九條
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transcript.whisperx[2025].text 資料鏈通訊遠端識別及反制測試所需電波資源
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transcript.whisperx[2026].text 必要時得建立試驗頻率及專用頻率核配機制
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transcript.whisperx[2027].text 國防部應會同相關機關一作戰需求建構
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transcript.whisperx[2028].text 軍用無人機所需之衛星通訊資料鏈
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transcript.whisperx[2029].text 專用網路電池評普及其他關鍵通訊基礎設施
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transcript.whisperx[2030].text 以提升無人機資自主安全
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transcript.whisperx[2031].text 抗干擾及持續作戰能力
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transcript.whisperx[2032].text 臺灣民眾黨團提案第十條
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transcript.whisperx[2034].text 臺灣民眾黨議員
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transcript.whisperx[2035].text 國際市場預測與開拓
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transcript.whisperx[2036].text 二 收集國際應用資料公布會參考
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transcript.whisperx[2037].text 三 協助產業聯盟爭取國際市場商機
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transcript.whisperx[2044].text 掌握國際標準出口管制最終用途產品認證資安認證及市場準錄範圍
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transcript.whisperx[2047].text 以共同供應契約或其他集中採購方式辦理
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transcript.whisperx[2052].text 國戰需求及科技發展需求優先推動自主飛行群飛協同抗干擾導航
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transcript.whisperx[2053].text 模化
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transcript.whisperx[2055].text 國防部應每月更新可信任供應鏈及關鍵零組件認證清單
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transcript.whisperx[2059].text 主管機關應會同國防部推動無人載具技術軍民共用化輔導具備軍事潛力之無人載具公司取得國防採購資格
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transcript.whisperx[2060].text 並得就其研發之軍民雙用技術給予額外研發補助或加速審定
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transcript.whisperx[2070].text 委員王定宇等人提案第七條
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transcript.whisperx[2071].text 同委員宗嘉賓等人提案第八條
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transcript.whisperx[2072].text 委員賴世保等人提案第十四第十七條
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transcript.whisperx[2073].text 各級政府機關公立學校及公營事業採購無人載具產品或服務
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transcript.whisperx[2074].text 應優先採購符合本條例規定由國內無人載具公司製造且國產零組件
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transcript.whisperx[2077].text 並得委託貿易推廣機構提供市場進入輔導及輔助
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transcript.whisperx[2078].text 國民民眾黨提案第十三條
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transcript.whisperx[2079].text 經濟部應建立無人機產業資料庫
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transcript.whisperx[2080].text 定期收集會診及公布下列資訊
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transcript.whisperx[2081].text 一產業鏈
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transcript.whisperx[2082].text 產業鏈業者產品類型及主要應用領域二
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transcript.whisperx[2086].text 國際認證及標準接軌情形五測試場域測試走廊
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transcript.whisperx[2087].text 是非安建及相關安全資料統計
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transcript.whisperx[2088].text 六公務用途無人機只使用類型及安全管理情形
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transcript.whisperx[2089].text 七無人機共同規格共同供應契約採購監督及維修服務情形
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transcript.whisperx[2090].text 八人才供需訓練及證照情形九出口市場國際合作及互通性標準情形
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transcript.whisperx[2091].text 前項資料涉及國家機密營運
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transcript.whisperx[2092].text 營業秘密個人資料資通安全或執法安全者
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transcript.whisperx[2093].text 因依相關法律保密或去識別化後公布
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transcript.whisperx[2094].text 臺灣民眾黨團體案第十四條以詐區虛偽不實資料或其他不正方法
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transcript.whisperx[2095].text 深得政府就無人產業所訂製補助獎勵投資融資或信用保證者
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transcript.whisperx[2096].text 中央主管機關因撤銷或廢止其受領資格並追回
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transcript.whisperx[2097].text 以撥付資全部或一部分款項中央主管機關因前項情形受有損害者
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transcript.whisperx[2098].text 得項行為人請求損害賠償若經查明為
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transcript.whisperx[2099].text 若經查明行為人細出於故意者中央主管機關得以侵害
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transcript.whisperx[2100].text 請結令請求損害
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transcript.whisperx[2101].text 而一倍至三倍至懲罰性賠償金第一項之行為人設及刑事責任者由中央主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[2102].text 因移送檢查機關偵辦易得依刑事申訴法之規定提起自訴等其他救濟委員宗教兵等人提案第十六條委員會
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transcript.whisperx[2103].text 針對依本條例辦理之採購案及受由投資抵減獎勵或補助者因定期或不定期進行查核
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transcript.whisperx[2104].text 其查核之項目基準程序及其他因遵循事項之辦法由委員會定之前項查核涉及零組件產地溯源
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transcript.whisperx[2105].text 資訊安全檢測及系統技術規格者委員會得委託具公信力之第三方專業
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transcript.whisperx[2106].text 驗證機構或法人辦理受查核之機關得標廠商或獎勵補助之營利事業對於前兩項支查核或檢測不得規避妨礙或拒絕
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transcript.whisperx[2107].text 並應主動提供供應鏈來源證明財務報表生產紀錄及其他相關佐證事項
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transcript.whisperx[2108].text 經查核發現有違反國本條例第八條國產化比例第九條資通安全規範或有其他違法違約情形者
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transcript.whisperx[2109].text 委員會或主管機關得事情節輕重終止或解除契約追繳以撥付支補助款及依法規定
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transcript.whisperx[2110].text 補徵疑底檢之稅額其涉及刑事責任者依法移送檢調機關就
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transcript.whisperx[2111].text 辦
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transcript.whisperx[2112].text 委員王定宇等人提案第十五條同委員宗嘉斌等人提案第十六條
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transcript.whisperx[2113].text 臺灣民眾黨提案第十五條中央主管機關應會同相關機關與本條例公布後一年內完成一提出第一期無人機產業發展剛領二
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transcript.whisperx[2114].text 無人機安全融入空域管理體系之規劃三測試場域測試走廊及示範區之畫設
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transcript.whisperx[2115].text 同行主管機關應會同相關機關與本條例公布施行後六個月內完成可信任供應鏈分級認證制度之建立
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transcript.whisperx[2116].text 委員賴世保等人提案第五條為促進無人載具產業升級從事第四條第一項第二款第一櫻木業務之無人載具公司投資
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transcript.whisperx[2117].text 同項第三款至第八款規定之研發與發展支出得以百分之
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transcript.whisperx[2118].text 得以支出金額百分之二十五限度內自有因應那營利事業所得稅之年度起五年內抵減
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transcript.whisperx[2120].text 當年度因應那營利事業所得稅額百分之五十為限但最後年度抵減金額不在此限
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transcript.whisperx[2121].text 第一項投資抵減之事用範圍核定機關申請
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transcript.whisperx[2122].text 申請期限申請程序施行期限抵減率及其他相關事項之辦法由主管機關會同財政部定制
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transcript.whisperx[2124].text 測試儀器及資安防護設備支支出得於支出金額百分之十額度內
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transcript.whisperx[2125].text 至當年度起五年內抵減各年度因應那營利事業所得稅額前項投資抵減其每一年度的抵減總額已不超過營利事業
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transcript.whisperx[2126].text 當年度因應那營利事業所得稅額百分之三十為限營利事業就同意支出第一項規定
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transcript.whisperx[2127].text 提前者不得重複適用產業創新條例或其他法律所定研究
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transcript.whisperx[2128].text 發展或設備投資
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transcript.whisperx[2129].text 此字幕由 Amara.org 社群提供
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transcript.whisperx[2130].text 投資資投資抵減其與其他投資抵減合併適用時每一年度合計抵減金額不得超過當年度因應那營利事業所得稅額百分之五十
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transcript.whisperx[2131].text 委員王定理等人提案 同委員鍾嘉斌等人提案第七條
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transcript.whisperx[2132].text 委員賴氏寶等是四人提案 第六條
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transcript.whisperx[2133].text 自有因應那營利事業所得稅之年度起 抵減當年度因應那營利事業所得稅額
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transcript.whisperx[2134].text 二 與支出金額百分之三限度內 自有因應那營利事業所得稅之年度起 三年內抵減各年度因應那營利事業所得稅額
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transcript.whisperx[2135].text 前向無人載具公司與同一年度合併適用前向投資抵減及其他投資抵減時 其他年度合計得抵減總額已不超過當年度因應那營利事業所得稅額百分之五五十為限
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transcript.whisperx[2136].text 但最後
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transcript.whisperx[2137].text 最後年度抵減金額不再此限 前向無人載具公司申請適用第一項投資抵減 因提出具一定效益之投資計畫 經主管機關專業案核准
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transcript.whisperx[2138].text 且與同一課稅年度以申請一次為限 前三項投資抵減之適用範圍具一定效益之投資計畫 申請期限 申請程序當年度合計得抵減總額之計算
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transcript.whisperx[2140].text 為鼓勵無人載具公司之創立或擴充營利事業原始認股或應募屬該無人載具公司發行之股票
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transcript.whisperx[2141].text 除非該公司居民補充達三年以上 且該無人載具公司為該認股或應募金額 依其他法律規定 申請免徵營利事業所得稅或股東投資抵減者
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transcript.whisperx[2142].text 得以其取得該股票之價款20%限度內 至其有因應利事業所得稅之年度起五年內 抵減各年度因應利事業所得稅而
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transcript.whisperx[2143].text 其每一年度得抵減總額 已不超過該營利事業當年度
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transcript.whisperx[2144].text 因應利事業所得稅而50%違憲 前項鎖定無人載具公司屬從事第四條第一項第二款第二項業務者
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transcript.whisperx[2145].text 已未上市未上櫃公司或自設立登記日期未滿十年至上市上櫃公司違憲
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transcript.whisperx[2147].text 文人大事保等44人提案第八條個人與現金投資未上市或未上櫃之無人載具公司且對同一公司當年度投資金額達新台幣100萬元以上
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transcript.whisperx[2148].text 並取得該公司之新發行股份持有期間達三年者得就投資金額50%限度內自持有期間兼滿三年之當年度起兩年內
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transcript.whisperx[2149].text 自個人綜合所得稅而終減除每年得減除的金額合計以新台幣500萬元以違憲
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transcript.whisperx[2150].text 前項鎖定無人載具公司屬從事第四條第一項第二款第一幕業務者
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transcript.whisperx[2151].text 以設立登記日起未滿十年之公司違憲屬從事同管第二幕業務者以設立登記日起未滿五年之公司違憲
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transcript.whisperx[2152].text 第一項個人資資格條件申請期限申請程序持有期間計算合訂機關及其他相關事項之辦法由主管機關會同財政部定制
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transcript.whisperx[2153].text 文人大事保等44人提案第九條為鼓勵高階專業人員及技術投資人參與無人載具公司之經營及研究發展並分享營運成果
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transcript.whisperx[2154].text 無人載具公司高階專業人員因講求及技術投資人因技術入股而取得之新發行股票
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transcript.whisperx[2155].text 得選擇免以紀錄取得股票當年度因課稅所得而課稅
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transcript.whisperx[2156].text 已經決定不得並更但選擇免以紀錄取得股票當年度課稅者該股票於實際
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transcript.whisperx[2157].text 轉讓或帳簿劃撥制開設至有價證券保管劃撥帳戶時應將全部轉讓價格或撥轉日支施加
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transcript.whisperx[2158].text 作為該轉讓或撥轉年度之收益依所得稅法規定計算所得並申報課徵所得稅
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transcript.whisperx[2159].text 高階專業人員或個人技術投資人因前項規定選擇免以紀錄取得股票當年度課稅自取得股票日起持有股票且繼續與該公司任職或提供技術應用相關服務累計達兩年者
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transcript.whisperx[2161].text 以股票取得之施加或價格作為該轉讓或撥轉年度之收益依所得稅法規定計算所得並申報課徵所得稅
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transcript.whisperx[2162].text 第一項所稱高階專業人員只具備無人載具相關專業或技術且擔任無人載具公司執行長或經理人以上職務職員員
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transcript.whisperx[2163].text 所徵技術投資人只與無人載具公司所需技術體操出資資技術入股投資人
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transcript.whisperx[2164].text 無人載具公司與高階專業人員或技術投資人取得股票年度
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transcript.whisperx[2165].text 因規定格式及文件之要送請主管機關認定使得適用第一項及第二項之獎勵
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transcript.whisperx[2166].text 其認定結果並複製公司所在地資稅間積增機關
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transcript.whisperx[2167].text 第三項所訂無人載具相關專業或技術範圍送請認定期限與程序及其他相關事項之辦法由主管機關訂資
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transcript.whisperx[2168].text 高階專業人員技術投資人取得股票緩刻與所得稅申報之程序
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transcript.whisperx[2169].text 因提示文件資料及其他相關事項之辦法由財政部訂資
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transcript.whisperx[2170].text 委員大事保等事事人提案第十條
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transcript.whisperx[2171].text 無人載具公司經董事會以董事三分之二以上之出席及出席董事過半數同意之決議
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transcript.whisperx[2172].text 並經主管機關核准後得發行認股權證設定
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transcript.whisperx[2173].text 認股權證設定
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transcript.whisperx[2174].text 認股權評證與前條之高階專業人員或技術投資人
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transcript.whisperx[2175].text 依前項規定持有認股權證認股權評證者得以約定價格認購特定數量之股份其認購價格不得受供
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transcript.whisperx[2176].text 公司法第140條不得第一票面金額之限制文載具公司依前條第一項規定發行新股時不適用公司法
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transcript.whisperx[2177].text 200267條規定高階專業人員或技術投資人持有認股認股權評證其認購取得股票之所得稅
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transcript.whisperx[2178].text 課徵及相關申報事項適用前條各項規定依第一項規定申請主管機關核准發行認股權評證
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transcript.whisperx[2179].text 要件文件及其他相關事項之辦法由主管機關定制文代事保等事事人提案第11條
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transcript.whisperx[2180].text 以其他法令享有租稅優惠者不得就同意事項重複享有本條例所訂制租稅優惠文載具公司
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transcript.whisperx[2181].text 最近三年因違反環境保護勞工資通安全或飛航安全相關法律且情質也重大
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transcript.whisperx[2183].text 並停止及追回違章行為所屬年度依前開規定申請所獲得的租稅優惠
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transcript.whisperx[2185].text 預計網站公開該無人載具公司之名稱文代事保等事事人提案第12條
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transcript.whisperx[2186].text 新創製無人載具公司其主要技術提供者為公立專科以上學校或公立研究機關
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transcript.whisperx[2187].text 公立研究機關購研究人員者不受教育人員任用條例第34條公務人員服務法第14條第一項不得經營商業股本總額10%
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transcript.whisperx[2190].text 從事研究人員之認定得兼任職得兼任職務與數額技術作價投資比例之限制經營商業之資訊公開利益迴避監督管理查核及其他應遵循事項之辦法
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transcript.whisperx[2192].text 合作研究發展出現無人載具產業升級公立專科以上學校或公立研究機關購置研發人員經學校或該機關購同意得到無人載具公司
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transcript.whisperx[2194].text 選擇名義紀錄取得股票當年度課稅者無人載具公司應與股東轉讓或辦理帳簿劃撥年度之次年度1月31日以前
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transcript.whisperx[2195].text 依規定格式向該管稅金激增機關列單申報該已轉讓或辦理帳簿劃撥之股份資料其未一現或未具實申報者稅金激增機關除現期
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transcript.whisperx[2196].text 責令不報外案其因申報或短期之所得金額主無人載具公司負責人10%之罰還但最高不得超過新台幣50萬元最低不得低於新台幣5萬元
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transcript.whisperx[2199].text 本來是法等43年提案第5條主管機關辦理本條例鎖定採購應與採購企業中訂定技術移轉及工業合作條款及工業合作
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transcript.whisperx[2200].text 價值不得低於各該採購企業金額之40%
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transcript.whisperx[2201].text 前向技術移轉及工業合作應以建立下列能量為目標
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transcript.whisperx[2202].text 1.關鍵次系統之國內產製及自主維修包括光電與雷達感測器
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transcript.whisperx[2203].text 衛星與資料鏈
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transcript.whisperx[2204].text 飛行控制與自主導航軟體
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transcript.whisperx[2205].text 人工智慧目標辨識及抗干擾
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transcript.whisperx[2206].text 抗衛星定位七變模組
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transcript.whisperx[2207].text 2.國內共同生產組裝整合測試及後級維修能量
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transcript.whisperx[2208].text 3.供應鏈非紅化及自動安全排除
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transcript.whisperx[2209].text 含有後門或二一模組織關鍵型組件
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transcript.whisperx[2210].text 主管集團應會同經濟部國家科學及技術委員會
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transcript.whisperx[2211].text 協調國家中商科學研究院相關法人及國內廠商
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transcript.whisperx[2212].text 建立技術接收消化及產業化機制並培育相關人才
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transcript.whisperx[2213].text 本條例所需經費應提撥不低於30%
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transcript.whisperx[2214].text 專攻前三項技術移轉、接收、產業化及維修能量建立之用
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transcript.whisperx[2215].text 委員張家斌等於11人提案
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transcript.whisperx[2216].text 以本條例之得標廠商及設有租稅補助或政策優惠者
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transcript.whisperx[2219].text 具自動安全疑慮之軟硬體、零組件及雲端資料運算服務
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transcript.whisperx[2220].text 延續使用大陸地區產製或大陸地區廠牌之產品
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transcript.whisperx[2221].text 亦不得由大陸地區人民、法人、團體或其他機構
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transcript.whisperx[2222].text 所投資或具有實質控制權制器而提供
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transcript.whisperx[2223].text 前項規定以此外,屬非電子無通信聯網功能且無自動安全疑慮之基礎機構件
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transcript.whisperx[2224].text 載具外殼或五金構件經文匯或主管機關審查確認國家安全風險者
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transcript.whisperx[2225].text 得不受前項規定之限制
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transcript.whisperx[2226].text 前項規定零組件之項目清單認定基準審查程序及其他因遵循事項之辦法
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transcript.whisperx[2228].text 委員會定義等17人提案,同委員、莊家賓等20人提案
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transcript.whisperx[2229].text 委員莊家賓等20人提案第11條
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transcript.whisperx[2230].text 委員會應會同交通部及相關目的事業主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[2231].text 以本條例施行日期三年內建置無人載具交通
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transcript.whisperx[2232].text 管理與運行監控系統以維護各類無人載具之運行秩序及公共安全
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transcript.whisperx[2234].text 應具備電子識別及與前項系統連線之功能
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transcript.whisperx[2236].text 無人載具未遺前項規定連線或不遵從管制者
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transcript.whisperx[2238].text 致聲重大
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transcript.whisperx[2239].text 安全事件時,其所有人或操作人應立即通報委員會
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transcript.whisperx[2240].text 並妥善保存系統紀律與影像工查核
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transcript.whisperx[2241].text 第一項系統是建置第二項電子識別連線與運行管制規範
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transcript.whisperx[2244].text 文人王電影改詞機能提案
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transcript.whisperx[2245].text 第十條通文裝置案例等二十元提案第十一條
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transcript.whisperx[2246].text 文裝加冰等二十元提案第十三條
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transcript.whisperx[2247].text 應會商數位發展部併同辦理資本安全檢測
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transcript.whisperx[2248].text 第一項進階測試之名詞定義及前二項之許可條件審查程序
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transcript.whisperx[2249].text 資安檢測基準安檢管理技術規範及其他應遵循事項的辦法
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transcript.whisperx[2251].text 文人王電影等十七人提案第十二條
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transcript.whisperx[2252].text 通文裝加冰等二十元提案第十三條
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transcript.whisperx[2253].text 咳
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transcript.whisperx[2254].text 文裝加冰等二十元提案第十五條
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transcript.whisperx[2255].text 為提升政府行政效能
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transcript.whisperx[2256].text 降低人員執勤風險及強化
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transcript.whisperx[2257].text 災防應變衛星各級政府機關應依其應務執掌
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transcript.whisperx[2258].text 積極評估並導入人採菌應用於治安尋訪
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transcript.whisperx[2259].text 災難收救環境與基礎設施監測國土利用調查及其他公共事務
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transcript.whisperx[2260].text 各機關應就推動情形逐年檢視盤點
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transcript.whisperx[2261].text 並彙整提報文人採菌自主發展委員會
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transcript.whisperx[2262].text 微弱使前項應用並充實專業操作能力
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transcript.whisperx[2263].text 委員會應會統行政院人事行政總處及各目的事業主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[2264].text 應將無人採菌之專業操作採購管理非常安全及自動安全防護
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transcript.whisperx[2265].text 納入連度公務人員培訓計畫各級政府機關對於所屬公務人員參與
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transcript.whisperx[2266].text 前項培訓並取得無人採菌專業操作證照者
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transcript.whisperx[2267].text 得以得益權而獲得部分參訓費用之補助
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transcript.whisperx[2268].text 各機關亦得對於推動績效優良之所屬公務人員得益公務人員考級法
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transcript.whisperx[2269].text 鎖定平時考的獎勵與亦去獎
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transcript.whisperx[2270].text 一第一項鎖定之年度非同計畫內容
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transcript.whisperx[2271].text 逐年檢視之指標與程序及T3項
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transcript.whisperx[2272].text 平和與獎勵之項目及轉機作業方式之辦法由委員會會商相關機關定制
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transcript.whisperx[2273].text 委員王立宇等17人提案第14條
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transcript.whisperx[2274].text 同委員鍾嘉斌等21人提案第15條
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transcript.whisperx[2275].text 委員王立宇等17人提案第17條
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transcript.whisperx[2277].text 雙組管機關應會同交通部海南委員會及相關目的事業主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[2278].text 就第10條無人採菌交通管理及運行管理制度之實施
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transcript.whisperx[2281].text 與本條例施行期間屆滿前完成
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transcript.whisperx[2282].text 前項法制作業與本條例施行期間屆滿前未完成者
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transcript.whisperx[2283].text 第10條相關規定得繼續施行至完成之日子
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transcript.whisperx[2284].text 國民黨黨團提案第20條
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transcript.whisperx[2285].text 有下列行為之一者處3年以上使用以下有期徒刑
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transcript.whisperx[2286].text 並得並科新台幣1000萬元以下罰金
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transcript.whisperx[2287].text 1.破壞、毀損或非法侵入
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transcript.whisperx[2289].text 2.窃取或卸了無人採菌相關知機制機密技術資料
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transcript.whisperx[2290].text 3.以不罰手段使無人採菌知識非控系統通訊模組
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transcript.whisperx[2292].text 國民黨黨團提案第21條
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transcript.whisperx[2293].text 違反本條例下列規定者
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transcript.whisperx[2294].text 1.違反本條例下列規定者依各款處罰
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transcript.whisperx[2295].text 依違反第17條規定
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transcript.whisperx[2298].text 除以第19條撤銷至國外
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transcript.whisperx[2300].text 一倍以上、三倍以下罰款
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transcript.whisperx[2301].text 2.於資格審查或驗收程序中提供虛約資料者
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transcript.whisperx[2303].text 國民黨黨團提案第22條
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transcript.whisperx[2305].text 數位發展部於本條例公布後6個月內定支
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transcript.whisperx[2306].text 台灣民進黨黨團提案第16條
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transcript.whisperx[2308].text 擬定報警行政核定
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transcript.whisperx[2309].text 行政院提案第7條
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transcript.whisperx[2314].text 委員林楚英等實施員提案
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transcript.whisperx[2316].text 等實施員提案委員蔡毅
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transcript.whisperx[2317].text 等實施員提案委員李怡錦
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transcript.whisperx[2318].text 等實施員提案
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transcript.whisperx[2321].text 委員賴慧仰等實施員提案
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transcript.whisperx[2322].text 委員李坤正等實施員提案
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transcript.whisperx[2323].text 支第7條
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transcript.whisperx[2324].text 金銅刑罪案提案第7條
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transcript.whisperx[2325].text 國民黨黨團提案第23條
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transcript.whisperx[2328].text 台灣民眾黨黨團提案第17條
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transcript.whisperx[2330].text 委員賴慧仰等實施案人提案第8條
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transcript.whisperx[2336].text 原常之委員賴慧仰等實施員提案
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transcript.whisperx[2342].text 委員宗家兵等20人提案第18條
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transcript.whisperx[2349].text 第18條本條例自公布日起施行
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transcript.whisperx[2358].text 依各款處罰
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transcript.whisperx[2372].text 之後再回來主題好事
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transcript.whisperx[2435].text 禮拜應該沒什麼吃吧
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transcript.whisperx[2496].text 其實已經在產業創新條例
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transcript.whisperx[2508].text 因為今天委員聯席會比較多
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transcript.whisperx[2515].text 不然的話這些條文結構不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[2516].text 要一起審很難
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transcript.whisperx[2517].text 它大概分成三類
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transcript.whisperx[2518].text 一類就是純採購類
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transcript.whisperx[2529].text 加一丙三種方式來處理
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transcript.whisperx[2530].text 主席建議
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transcript.whisperx[2531].text 一個就是
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transcript.whisperx[2532].text 一類一類來
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transcript.whisperx[2533].text 譬如說先處理純採購的
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transcript.whisperx[2534].text 再來處理純產業發展的
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transcript.whisperx[2535].text 再來處理兩種皆有的
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transcript.whisperx[2536].text 這是一種方式
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transcript.whisperx[2537].text 那一種就是以消去法
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transcript.whisperx[2538].text 就是
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transcript.whisperx[2539].text 純採購跟非純採購
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transcript.whisperx[2540].text 那就分成兩類
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transcript.whisperx[2541].text 純採購的就是沒有長大產業發展的
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transcript.whisperx[2542].text 那綜合型的也在第二種
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transcript.whisperx[2543].text 加一丙
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transcript.whisperx[2544].text 丙類呢就是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[2545].text 純產業發展的
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transcript.whisperx[2546].text 跟非純產業發展
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transcript.whisperx[2547].text 那這樣子用邏輯上來分
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transcript.whisperx[2548].text 我們在審查的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2549].text 才比較能夠將體力相近的都在一起
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transcript.whisperx[2550].text 我再強調一次
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transcript.whisperx[2551].text 這14個版本基本上有三種類型
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transcript.whisperx[2553].text 二純產業發展
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transcript.whisperx[2554].text 三採購跟產業發展兼有
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transcript.whisperx[2555].text 那我們的審查方式可以分一二三類
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transcript.whisperx[2556].text 就是分類審
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transcript.whisperx[2557].text 那另外一種方式就是
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transcript.whisperx[2558].text 採購的跟非純採購的區分開來
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transcript.whisperx[2559].text 先審純採購的
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transcript.whisperx[2560].text 非純採購的就另一邊
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transcript.whisperx[2561].text 或者先審純產業發展的
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transcript.whisperx[2562].text 那非純產業發展的通通放在一邊
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transcript.whisperx[2563].text 以上建議
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transcript.whisperx[2564].text 好 請揚求願望
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transcript.whisperx[2565].text 謝謝揚權發言
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transcript.whisperx[2566].text 我想今天大家不管
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transcript.whisperx[2567].text 任何一個人都希望
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transcript.whisperx[2568].text 無人機成為我們台灣的第二座的護國神山
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transcript.whisperx[2569].text 我非常贊成剛剛這個經濟部所做的說明
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transcript.whisperx[2570].text 他說
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transcript.whisperx[2571].text 無人機產業希望是一個長期穩定的預算
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transcript.whisperx[2572].text 非常重要
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transcript.whisperx[2573].text 因此國民黨負責任的提出
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transcript.whisperx[2574].text 國防自主無人載具科技發展及採購條例
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transcript.whisperx[2575].text 換句話說
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transcript.whisperx[2576].text 在整個採購國防的安全
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transcript.whisperx[2577].text 我們全力支持
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transcript.whisperx[2578].text 產業的一個發展長長久久
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transcript.whisperx[2579].text 我們必須要將產業能夠成為是
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transcript.whisperx[2580].text 台灣的第二座護國神山
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transcript.whisperx[2581].text 這非常重要
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transcript.whisperx[2582].text 尤其在我們全國地區
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transcript.whisperx[2583].text 特別在中部地區
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transcript.whisperx[2584].text 我們已經準備就緒
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transcript.whisperx[2585].text 我們希望能夠串聯起來
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transcript.whisperx[2586].text 真正成為台灣的護國神山
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transcript.whisperx[2587].text 也創造了台灣的一個光榮
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transcript.whisperx[2588].text 這是非常重要
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transcript.whisperx[2589].text 所以我在這邊建議
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transcript.whisperx[2590].text 因為國民黨的提案
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transcript.whisperx[2591].text 第一條的這個按鈕
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transcript.whisperx[2592].text 也就是
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transcript.whisperx[2594].text 我們照著這個程序
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transcript.whisperx[2595].text 一條一條的來做審議
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transcript.whisperx[2596].text 我覺得這個是很重要的
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transcript.whisperx[2597].text 而且它是國防安全以及經濟
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transcript.whisperx[2598].text 的一個發展能夠兼具以上建言
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transcript.whisperx[2599].text 好 接下來我們請陳冠廷委員
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transcript.whisperx[2600].text 謝謝 謝謝趙委
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transcript.whisperx[2601].text 其實剛才這個中交部委員講得非常認同
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transcript.whisperx[2602].text 就是希望說是用採購跟非採購的這兩個方向去走
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transcript.whisperx[2603].text 會比較
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transcript.whisperx[2604].text 才可以把整個東西好好的審
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transcript.whisperx[2605].text 我還是要再提醒各位委員
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transcript.whisperx[2606].text 我們剛才楊委員有提到是長期等等的
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transcript.whisperx[2607].text 我們也同意
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transcript.whisperx[2608].text 但是我們同時要
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transcript.whisperx[2609].text 很專注的一件事情就是他可能不是長期的威脅而已
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transcript.whisperx[2610].text 他可能短期我們馬上就要面臨威脅
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transcript.whisperx[2611].text 有時候短期如果是明年可能是後年
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transcript.whisperx[2612].text 可能我們不知道對方會採取什麼樣的做法
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transcript.whisperx[2616].text 我會覺得會比較好
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transcript.whisperx[2618].text 但我們現在看到各個的報告
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transcript.whisperx[2619].text 也有可能是明年也有可能是後年
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transcript.whisperx[2621].text 那等於是可能會招致他們的
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transcript.whisperx[2622].text 等於是邀請他們說我們現在沒有這個能力
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transcript.whisperx[2623].text 我們明年也沒有後年也沒有
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transcript.whisperx[2625].text 我建議是採取中嘉賓委員的這個方式來去審理
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transcript.whisperx[2626].text 好謝謝接下來請邱毅委員
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transcript.whisperx[2628].text 我想剛剛幾位委員的發言
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transcript.whisperx[2629].text 我們其實就可以非常清楚的知道
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transcript.whisperx[2630].text 當時院會交下來這幾個版本
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transcript.whisperx[2631].text 把它放在經濟委員會審查的荒謬性
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transcript.whisperx[2632].text 到底在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[2634].text 主管機關主審單位
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transcript.whisperx[2635].text 怎麼會是在經濟委員會呢
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transcript.whisperx[2637].text 國防的採購本來就應該在國防委員會去處理
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transcript.whisperx[2641].text 這個一定是無可厚非而且大家會全力的支持
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transcript.whisperx[2643].text 是國防軍事採購上面對於台灣的國防保衛上面
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transcript.whisperx[2644].text 我們迫切需要的
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transcript.whisperx[2645].text 這些無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[2647].text 那現在這麼多的版本
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transcript.whisperx[2648].text 這幾個版本
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transcript.whisperx[2649].text 單單條例名稱
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transcript.whisperx[2650].text 單單立法定義
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transcript.whisperx[2651].text 單單阻止
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transcript.whisperx[2652].text 就完全不相同
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transcript.whisperx[2653].text 所以剛剛鍾嘉斌建議的這三個方向的討論
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transcript.whisperx[2654].text 分開做討論
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transcript.whisperx[2655].text 其實某一個程度上也代表了
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transcript.whisperx[2656].text 中華民國立法院的荒謬之處
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transcript.whisperx[2658].text 我從來沒有看過
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transcript.whisperx[2659].text 國防採購條例
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transcript.whisperx[2660].text 是在經濟委員會去主審
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transcript.whisperx[2662].text 跟發展條例
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transcript.whisperx[2663].text 是放在一個條例裡頭去審理
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transcript.whisperx[2664].text 然後我們可以看到
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transcript.whisperx[2665].text 國民黨委員的版本
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transcript.whisperx[2666].text 賴世保委員的提案
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transcript.whisperx[2667].text 有國防戰略無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[2668].text 國外採購
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transcript.whisperx[2669].text 及技術合作特別條例
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transcript.whisperx[2670].text 我們來請教一下
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transcript.whisperx[2671].text 這個不是應該放在國防委員會去主審嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[2672].text 怎麼會放在經濟委員會咧?
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transcript.whisperx[2673].text 賴世保委員同時又提了一個
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transcript.whisperx[2674].text 無人載具產業升級發展條例
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transcript.whisperx[2675].text 所以請這個英明
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transcript.whisperx[2676].text 睿智的主席
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transcript.whisperx[2677].text 您一直講來自學術界
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transcript.whisperx[2678].text 您一直講這個產業發展您是專業
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transcript.whisperx[2679].text 就您的專業上來看
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transcript.whisperx[2681].text 我們要如何來審理這麼多的不同的版本
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transcript.whisperx[2682].text 好我們先來請這個
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transcript.whisperx[2684].text 太有趣了
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transcript.whisperx[2686].text 我想我在質詢的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2687].text 其實我們講得非常清楚
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transcript.whisperx[2688].text 我們無人機的產業
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transcript.whisperx[2689].text 基本上早就進行當中
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transcript.whisperx[2690].text 而且在全國各地
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transcript.whisperx[2692].text 就光就台南來講
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transcript.whisperx[2693].text 我們其實都一直在推動
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transcript.whisperx[2694].text 所以我認為說
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transcript.whisperx[2695].text 產業發展是一個目標
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transcript.whisperx[2696].text 而且現在進行式
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transcript.whisperx[2697].text 我不知道為什麼現在還要去談
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transcript.whisperx[2699].text 這個早就在進行當中的
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transcript.whisperx[2700].text 我們為什麼要把它
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transcript.whisperx[2701].text 再拉回到原點呢
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transcript.whisperx[2702].text 這個是一個很奇怪的
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transcript.whisperx[2703].text 我們今天重要的
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transcript.whisperx[2704].text 應該是要有一個
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transcript.whisperx[2705].text 他們依循的方向
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transcript.whisperx[2706].text 當他們
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transcript.whisperx[2707].text 要
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transcript.whisperx[2708].text 出口或是要進口相關的一些物件
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transcript.whisperx[2709].text 要有一些採購特別條例的方向
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transcript.whisperx[2710].text 才能讓我們所有的
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transcript.whisperx[2711].text 產業發展可以
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transcript.whisperx[2712].text 更邁進一步
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transcript.whisperx[2713].text 這是完全不同的
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transcript.whisperx[2714].text 可是今天
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transcript.whisperx[2718].text 放在一起
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transcript.whisperx[2719].text 我不知道這怎麼審
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transcript.whisperx[2721].text 跟
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transcript.whisperx[2724].text 這個是完全不同的
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transcript.whisperx[2725].text 所以我真的拜託說
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transcript.whisperx[2726].text 我們如果為了無人機的發展好
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transcript.whisperx[2727].text 為了我們所有國防自主方向
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transcript.whisperx[2728].text 有一個好的依據
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transcript.whisperx[2729].text 我們應該是要把它
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transcript.whisperx[2730].text 分開
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transcript.whisperx[2731].text 好好地審慎處理
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transcript.whisperx[2732].text 尤其國防自主
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transcript.whisperx[2733].text 無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[2735].text 這個部分是攸關我們
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transcript.whisperx[2736].text 未來國家國防
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transcript.whisperx[2737].text 還有我們
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transcript.whisperx[2738].text 無人機的一個進一步
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transcript.whisperx[2739].text 發展非常重要的
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transcript.whisperx[2740].text 一個階段
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transcript.whisperx[2741].text 真的不能做這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[2742].text 所謂的
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transcript.whisperx[2743].text 含糊不明
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transcript.whisperx[2744].text 然後
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transcript.whisperx[2745].text 不吃
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transcript.whisperx[2746].text 如何去定位
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transcript.whisperx[2747].text 我們的一個方向
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transcript.whisperx[2748].text 我們立法院不應該做這麼潮汕
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transcript.whisperx[2749].text 而且
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transcript.whisperx[2750].text 這麼樣讓大家
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transcript.whisperx[2751].text 無所適從的
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transcript.whisperx[2752].text 一個處理
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transcript.whisperx[2753].text 甚至讓所有的行政單位
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transcript.whisperx[2754].text 覺得莫名其妙
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transcript.whisperx[2755].text 甚至所有
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transcript.whisperx[2756].text 國家的發展
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transcript.whisperx[2757].text 也面臨一個莫名
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transcript.whisperx[2758].text 奇妙的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[2759].text 所以我們拜託主席
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transcript.whisperx[2760].text 我們要身兼一個國家
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transcript.whisperx[2761].text 未來發展非常
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transcript.whisperx[2762].text 重要的責任
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transcript.whisperx[2763].text 立法委員不應該
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transcript.whisperx[2764].text 如此潮汕
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transcript.whisperx[2765].text 面臨我們國家的發展
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transcript.whisperx[2766].text 好 接下來我們請這個林楚英委員
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transcript.whisperx[2767].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[2768].text 好 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[2769].text 我想其實我在質詢的時候也有講過
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transcript.whisperx[2770].text 為什麼我們現在會審這個
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transcript.whisperx[2771].text 無人載具的相關的
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transcript.whisperx[2772].text 採購 那是因為在
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transcript.whisperx[2773].text 1.25兆的國防特別預算當中
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transcript.whisperx[2774].text 整個無人機的採購
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transcript.whisperx[2775].text 整個被砍掉了4700億
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transcript.whisperx[2776].text 當時我相信
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transcript.whisperx[2777].text 在野黨的委員也承受了非常大的
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transcript.whisperx[2778].text 壓力 因為民眾是認為
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transcript.whisperx[2779].text 這個採購其實必須留下來的
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transcript.whisperx[2780].text 不應該全部砍掉
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transcript.whisperx[2781].text 這也是為什麼後來
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transcript.whisperx[2782].text 包括我相信國民黨民眾黨的
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transcript.whisperx[2783].text 委員也都相繼提出了
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transcript.whisperx[2784].text 版本希望能夠發展無人
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transcript.whisperx[2785].text 載具 如果是這樣的狀況底下
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transcript.whisperx[2786].text 的話真的就如同前面
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transcript.whisperx[2787].text 民進黨的幾位委員所說的
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transcript.whisperx[2788].text 第一個是當務之急的國防
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transcript.whisperx[2789].text 採購 我們其實必須要強化
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transcript.whisperx[2790].text 因為無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[2791].text 在現在的靜態戰爭當中
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transcript.whisperx[2792].text 真的就是像台灣這種
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transcript.whisperx[2793].text 需要以小搏大非常
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transcript.whisperx[2794].text 重要 甚至於連大國
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transcript.whisperx[2795].text 在第一線也都是透過
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transcript.whisperx[2796].text 無人載具當做第一線
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transcript.whisperx[2797].text 去做不論是防衛或者是
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transcript.whisperx[2798].text 整個國家的
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transcript.whisperx[2799].text 自主提升的部分
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transcript.whisperx[2800].text 那至於產業的發展
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transcript.whisperx[2801].text 我想其實不只是台南啦
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transcript.whisperx[2802].text 包括桃園 包括宜蘭
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transcript.whisperx[2803].text 其實現在全國的各個縣市
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transcript.whisperx[2804].text 都有超過275家的
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transcript.whisperx[2805].text 廠商他們已經在做
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transcript.whisperx[2806].text 無人載具的發展
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transcript.whisperx[2807].text 而發展的過程中需要的
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transcript.whisperx[2808].text 當然就是穩定的訂單
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transcript.whisperx[2809].text 以及政府的需求 那麼在國內
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transcript.whisperx[2810].text 產業的部分 怎麼樣提供穩定的
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transcript.whisperx[2811].text 訂單跟需求
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transcript.whisperx[2812].text 那當然就是產業發展非常重要的一環
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transcript.whisperx[2813].text 所以我還是認同就是
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transcript.whisperx[2814].text 急需的採購
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transcript.whisperx[2815].text 應該要符合國防部的需求
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transcript.whisperx[2816].text 我們現在應該趕快來分
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transcript.whisperx[2817].text 這個部分來審下去 那麼至於
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transcript.whisperx[2818].text 產業的發展 我相信沒有人
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transcript.whisperx[2819].text 敢說無人艇 無人艦
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transcript.whisperx[2820].text 無人機不重要
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transcript.whisperx[2821].text 那麼在如何獲得
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transcript.whisperx[2822].text 國防上面的需求
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transcript.whisperx[2823].text 以及未來前進無人
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transcript.whisperx[2824].text 的所無人載具當中的
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transcript.whisperx[2825].text 飛鴻供應鏈 台灣不能錯失
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transcript.whisperx[2826].text 那如何加入飛鴻供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[2827].text 我想這個國防的
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transcript.whisperx[2828].text 需求一定是國防部需要
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transcript.whisperx[2829].text 那麼經濟部就是給予協助
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transcript.whisperx[2830].text 所以我也認同 採購
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transcript.whisperx[2831].text 跟產業發展就是應該要分開來審
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transcript.whisperx[2832].text 我們今天才可能有進度
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transcript.whisperx[2833].text 好 接下來我們請賴世保委員
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transcript.whisperx[2834].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[2835].text 謝謝主席 各位先進
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transcript.whisperx[2836].text 這個我們到底是現在是要
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transcript.whisperx[2837].text 要暗示趕快審
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transcript.whisperx[2838].text 還是說一直在這裡扯來扯去
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transcript.whisperx[2839].text 一直罵戰野黨 罵我的版本
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transcript.whisperx[2840].text 只要戰野黨版本一直罵
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transcript.whisperx[2841].text 罵有什麼意義呢 請問各位
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transcript.whisperx[2842].text 我們希望這個版本趕快往前走
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transcript.whisperx[2843].text 對不對 趕快往前走
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transcript.whisperx[2844].text 不要忘了
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transcript.whisperx[2845].text 這是院會交辦
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transcript.whisperx[2846].text 下來的 我們講了
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transcript.whisperx[2847].text 半天沒辦法推翻院會
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transcript.whisperx[2848].text 委員會不能推翻院會
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transcript.whisperx[2849].text 院會最大
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transcript.whisperx[2850].text 院會就通過了就是
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transcript.whisperx[2851].text 經濟委員會主審
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transcript.whisperx[2852].text 你口口揮一揮說國防要來
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transcript.whisperx[2853].text 拿 要不要重新提案
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transcript.whisperx[2854].text 一直拖
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transcript.whisperx[2855].text 對不對 不要
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transcript.whisperx[2856].text 一直在扯這個東西
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transcript.whisperx[2857].text 我們現在就來審第一條
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transcript.whisperx[2858].text 就是法案名稱 這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[2859].text 大家是不是同意 不同意就保留
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transcript.whisperx[2860].text 就處理 還是要標管都沒關係
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transcript.whisperx[2861].text 不要一直扯
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transcript.whisperx[2862].text 然後就說 啊這就是這樣斷了
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transcript.whisperx[2863].text 請問經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[2864].text 有沒有無人機產業發展條例
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transcript.whisperx[2868].text 升級發展條例
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transcript.whisperx[2869].text 沒有這樣的法案
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transcript.whisperx[2870].text 不要隨便講
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transcript.whisperx[2871].text 我提交的什麼不對
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transcript.whisperx[2872].text 我提的就是希望
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transcript.whisperx[2874].text 升級再 升級然後
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transcript.whisperx[2875].text 深耕在台灣 包括
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transcript.whisperx[2876].text 我們希望國外的廠商來台灣設廠
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transcript.whisperx[2878].text 無人艇 無人載具的
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transcript.whisperx[2879].text 技術 能夠
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transcript.whisperx[2880].text 移到台灣 投資台灣
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transcript.whisperx[2881].text 我們都給他 租車的減免
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transcript.whisperx[2882].text 人才方面 什麼資源
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transcript.whisperx[2883].text 等等的 比照升級條例
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transcript.whisperx[2884].text 給他這樣的東西 這是什麼不對
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transcript.whisperx[2885].text 我再強調一遍
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transcript.whisperx[2886].text 今天洪
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transcript.whisperx[2887].text 洪委員當召委
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transcript.whisperx[2888].text 他主持的案子
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transcript.whisperx[2889].text 是有憑有據 院會
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transcript.whisperx[2890].text 交下來 你再扯那些
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transcript.whisperx[2891].text 一直說啊這個不應該在這裡審
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transcript.whisperx[2893].text 第一條
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transcript.whisperx[2894].text 我們要法案名稱
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transcript.whisperx[2895].text 到底各位是不是同意
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transcript.whisperx[2896].text 這個行政院的
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transcript.whisperx[2897].text 那我
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transcript.whisperx[2898].text 這個發展無人機沒有人反對
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transcript.whisperx[2901].text 我們要編代年度一算
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transcript.whisperx[2902].text 就是這樣 差別在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[2903].text 所以國民黨團的
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transcript.whisperx[2904].text 這個科技發展
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transcript.whisperx[2905].text 採購條例也可以
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transcript.whisperx[2906].text 我這個都可以 這麼多版本
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transcript.whisperx[2907].text 看大家怎麼整合 我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[2908].text 與其在這裡一直檢討
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transcript.whisperx[2909].text 上個禮拜通過
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transcript.whisperx[2910].text 上上禮拜通過的
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transcript.whisperx[2911].text 這個我們院會交辦下來的
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transcript.whisperx[2914].text 洪主席的洪召委
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transcript.whisperx[2915].text 他的法定地位
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transcript.whisperx[2916].text 他現在就是
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transcript.whisperx[2917].text 這個案子你們到底
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transcript.whisperx[2918].text 又不要嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2919].text 我們都要啊
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transcript.whisperx[2920].text 你們不要是假裝
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transcript.whisperx[2921].text 表面上要事實上不要
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transcript.whisperx[2922].text 一定來鬥爭而已 這個有什麼好鬥爭的
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transcript.whisperx[2924].text 給你 我們外加五百都給你
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transcript.whisperx[2925].text 這麼快審 這麼快給他過法
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transcript.whisperx[2926].text 不是這樣子嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2927].text 你會再一定要說
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transcript.whisperx[2928].text 一定要拿回國防委員會
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transcript.whisperx[2929].text 你再重新來喔 時間拖的喔
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transcript.whisperx[2930].text 八月底不會刪喔
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transcript.whisperx[2931].text 即便像中
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transcript.whisperx[2932].text 這個有中務委員講的
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transcript.whisperx[2933].text 這個有中間秘委員講的
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transcript.whisperx[2934].text 說什麼今天出去 下個月八月底一千
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transcript.whisperx[2935].text 如果按照這個行程 也很好啊
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transcript.whisperx[2936].text 有什麼不好
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transcript.whisperx[2937].text 也很好啊
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transcript.whisperx[2938].text 各位你可以想一想 趕快出去
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transcript.whisperx[2939].text 趕快有錢 國防部長
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transcript.whisperx[2940].text 難道你反對嗎 趕快給你錢
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transcript.whisperx[2941].text 你去反對嗎 一定要特別調理
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transcript.whisperx[2942].text 為什麼 是因為
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transcript.whisperx[2943].text 事先都已經想好了
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transcript.whisperx[2944].text 還怎麼樣 為什麼就一定要
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transcript.whisperx[2945].text 特別調理
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transcript.whisperx[2946].text 我去美國的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2947].text 美國的相關團隊
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transcript.whisperx[2948].text 去要怎樣 清清楚楚 只要邊國預算
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transcript.whisperx[2949].text 特別預算 或者是一般預算
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transcript.whisperx[2950].text 他們不聽啊
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transcript.whisperx[2951].text 主席都可以作證 他在場
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transcript.whisperx[2952].text 他都有聽到
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transcript.whisperx[2953].text 我們的揚權務委員也一起都有聽到
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transcript.whisperx[2954].text 人家不會再用你特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[2955].text 還是這個一般預算
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transcript.whisperx[2956].text 現在來講
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transcript.whisperx[2957].text 執政黨的委員只卡在一直在糾結兩件事情
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transcript.whisperx[2958].text 第一個 一定要國防委員會審
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transcript.whisperx[2959].text 就院會叫下來了
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transcript.whisperx[2960].text 第二個 一定要特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[2961].text 國防部長一定要特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[2962].text 美國都說一般預算都可以
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transcript.whisperx[2963].text 只要民主預算
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transcript.whisperx[2964].text 比較快
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transcript.whisperx[2965].text 我沒有出錯 卡定了
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transcript.whisperx[2966].text 卡定了這個案子給他過
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transcript.whisperx[2967].text 就可以便利算了
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transcript.whisperx[2968].text 好 謝一鳳委員
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transcript.whisperx[2969].text 兩分鐘好 拜託
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transcript.whisperx[2970].text 其實大家都沒有反對無人載具的相關條例
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transcript.whisperx[2971].text 我看了就是說所有黨團的意見
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transcript.whisperx[2972].text 那當然個別委員以及黨團的版本
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transcript.whisperx[2973].text 從名稱開始
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transcript.whisperx[2974].text 就有一點非常分歧
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transcript.whisperx[2975].text 那這樣子的
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transcript.whisperx[2976].text 就是說如果大家都希望說
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transcript.whisperx[2977].text 無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[2978].text 這個對不管是我們的國防
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transcript.whisperx[2979].text 以及產業都有共同的幫助的話
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transcript.whisperx[2980].text 那我覺得是不是應該要儘速的在今天通過
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transcript.whisperx[2981].text 就是說如果大家有歧義的話
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transcript.whisperx[2982].text 我們是不是就保留
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transcript.whisperx[2983].text 然後等到就是說
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transcript.whisperx[2984].text 讓那個案子出委員會
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transcript.whisperx[2985].text 讓我們可以進一步的
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transcript.whisperx[2986].text 有進展
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transcript.whisperx[2987].text 不要再退回
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transcript.whisperx[2988].text 因為如果退回對於整體的時間
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transcript.whisperx[2989].text 院會有延宕的這樣子的情況
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transcript.whisperx[2990].text 那是不是為了讓我們整體的產業發展以及國防都有保障
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transcript.whisperx[2991].text 是不是能夠儘速的
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transcript.whisperx[2992].text 能夠在今日
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transcript.whisperx[2993].text 然後能夠出委員會
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transcript.whisperx[2994].text 喔 那個
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transcript.whisperx[2995].text 第二輪發言再簡短一點
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transcript.whisperx[2996].text 可以嗎 好啦 莊嘉賓
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transcript.whisperx[2997].text 然後再來是陳廷飛再邱毅
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transcript.whisperx[2998].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[2999].text 我們可以看條文對照表
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transcript.whisperx[3000].text 請賴市長委員看看第十頁
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transcript.whisperx[3001].text 你的版本
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transcript.whisperx[3002].text 第六條
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transcript.whisperx[3003].text 本條例所需經費上限 信貸幣500億
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transcript.whisperx[3004].text 以特別預算方式編列
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transcript.whisperx[3005].text 這個應該不是AI寫的啦
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transcript.whisperx[3006].text 應該是賴委員自己起草的
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transcript.whisperx[3007].text 他可能一直忘掉了
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transcript.whisperx[3008].text 那我想我剛剛一直坐在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[3009].text 我覺得每個發言的委員都很持平
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transcript.whisperx[3010].text 並沒有什麼在亂講
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transcript.whisperx[3011].text 我想這個大家都互相尊重
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transcript.whisperx[3012].text 那我再強調一次
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transcript.whisperx[3013].text 如果說我剛剛講的以A案來講
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transcript.whisperx[3014].text 先審純採購
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transcript.whisperx[3015].text 再審非純採購
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transcript.whisperx[3016].text 那純採購的有九個版本
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transcript.whisperx[3017].text 賴委員的版本也在這九個版本裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3018].text 非純採購的有五個版本
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transcript.whisperx[3019].text 賴委員也有一個版本
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transcript.whisperx[3020].text 在這五個版本裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3021].text 如果你要用純 先審純產業發展
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transcript.whisperx[3022].text 如果要用純 先審純產業發展
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transcript.whisperx[3023].text 純產發的就兩個版本
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transcript.whisperx[3024].text 一個是民眾黨的版本
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transcript.whisperx[3025].text 一個是賴事保委員的版本
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transcript.whisperx[3026].text 非純產業發展的有十二個版本
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transcript.whisperx[3027].text 那至於如果要不複雜一點
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transcript.whisperx[3028].text 採取C案 那麼純採購的九案
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transcript.whisperx[3029].text 純產業發展的兩案
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transcript.whisperx[3030].text 混合型的三案
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transcript.whisperx[3031].text 那個 周圍的主席
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transcript.whisperx[3032].text 我在給你建議啦 就是說
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transcript.whisperx[3033].text 你們要有一個方法嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3034].text 你要用A案 B案
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transcript.whisperx[3035].text 還是C案 要先審純採購
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transcript.whisperx[3036].text 再審非純採購 還是要先審
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transcript.whisperx[3038].text 還是分三類
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transcript.whisperx[3039].text 純產採購的一類 混合型的一類
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transcript.whisperx[3040].text 純產業發展的一類
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transcript.whisperx[3041].text 那不管哪一種方法 賴委員
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transcript.whisperx[3042].text 都保養啦 因為不管用哪一種方法展
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transcript.whisperx[3043].text 他有兩個版本啦
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transcript.whisperx[3044].text 都可以審啦
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transcript.whisperx[3045].text 好 再來 再聽賴委員
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transcript.whisperx[3046].text 謝謝周圍
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transcript.whisperx[3047].text 其實 我們要再次強調啦
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transcript.whisperx[3048].text 我們今天
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transcript.whisperx[3049].text 就是希望
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transcript.whisperx[3050].text 無人機的整個產業
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transcript.whisperx[3051].text 可以要進一步
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transcript.whisperx[3052].text 這是我們大家共同的目標
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transcript.whisperx[3053].text 尤其我一直強調
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transcript.whisperx[3054].text 在台南的無人機產業
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transcript.whisperx[3055].text 陸續發展當中
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transcript.whisperx[3056].text 他們現在在擔心的
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transcript.whisperx[3057].text 就是一個法令
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transcript.whisperx[3058].text 在採購的部分
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transcript.whisperx[3059].text 所以為什麼我一直強調
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transcript.whisperx[3062].text 就是不一樣的
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transcript.whisperx[3063].text 所以希望最快的速度
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transcript.whisperx[3064].text 不要把這兩個
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transcript.whisperx[3065].text 好像卡在
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transcript.whisperx[3066].text 中間
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transcript.whisperx[3068].text 南跟北卡來卡去的
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transcript.whisperx[3069].text 一個部分 造成彼此的影響
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transcript.whisperx[3071].text 現在就在做了
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transcript.whisperx[3079].text 不是沒有在做
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transcript.whisperx[3080].text 那你今天在做一個
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transcript.whisperx[3084].text 這是錯的
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transcript.whisperx[3095].text 收集所有產業
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transcript.whisperx[3096].text 目前被
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transcript.whisperx[3102].text 趕快做
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transcript.whisperx[3104].text 產業更好
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transcript.whisperx[3106].text 不是像
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transcript.whisperx[3107].text 有委員說我們在拉
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transcript.whisperx[3108].text 拉住進度這是錯的
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transcript.whisperx[3111].text 這個我還是回應一下剛剛賴世保委員
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transcript.whisperx[3114].text 所以你一進來就說我們亂罵
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transcript.whisperx[3116].text 也沒有亂罵
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transcript.whisperx[3119].text 我談的是兩個不同的概念
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transcript.whisperx[3121].text 你支持的
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transcript.whisperx[3131].text 您的態度是不是有做
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transcript.whisperx[3132].text 很大的變動我並不清楚
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transcript.whisperx[3133].text 但是您的條文的確是
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transcript.whisperx[3135].text 除非這是AI寫的
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transcript.whisperx[3137].text 都在大家桌面上
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transcript.whisperx[3138].text 第二我們必須再一次提到
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transcript.whisperx[3139].text 國民黨支持放在公務預算裡頭去編列
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transcript.whisperx[3141].text 無人機的預算442億
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transcript.whisperx[3142].text 你們放話
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transcript.whisperx[3143].text 要把它刪除
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transcript.whisperx[3144].text 受到社會大眾的關注之後
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transcript.whisperx[3145].text 你們現在改採凍結
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transcript.whisperx[3147].text 會有一個非常大的問題是
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transcript.whisperx[3148].text 今年115年的年度總預算
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transcript.whisperx[3150].text 現在是7月27號
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transcript.whisperx[3151].text 7月27號
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transcript.whisperx[3152].text 7月27號
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transcript.whisperx[3153].text 115年的年度預算並還沒有通過
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transcript.whisperx[3156].text 其實
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transcript.whisperx[3158].text 請問這一些公務預算如何通過
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transcript.whisperx[3160].text 這個是一個很大的問題
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transcript.whisperx[3161].text 甚至未來在審查總預算的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3163].text 被你們大刀一砍
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transcript.whisperx[3165].text 採購的預算有可能就這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[3166].text 莫名其妙就被砍掉了
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transcript.whisperx[3167].text 不知不覺的就被砍掉了
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transcript.whisperx[3170].text 大家都看得出來
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transcript.whisperx[3171].text 那這是不是也是你們
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transcript.whisperx[3172].text 這個狸貓換太子的一個手段之一呢
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transcript.whisperx[3173].text 基本上我們都支持
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transcript.whisperx[3175].text 支持無人載具的條例
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transcript.whisperx[3176].text 要立刻審
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transcript.whisperx[3178].text 這是兩個不同的概念
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transcript.whisperx[3179].text 這也是我們一直在強調
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transcript.whisperx[3180].text 要兩個不同的概念要怎麼放在一起審
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transcript.whisperx[3181].text 這是今天要討論的重點
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transcript.whisperx[3182].text 好 我們發言的時候就是
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transcript.whisperx[3183].text 賴世保委員、羅馬德蘇賓委員、郭國榮委員
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transcript.whisperx[3185].text 啊對不起 落掉一個
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transcript.whisperx[3186].text 啊對不起 落掉一個
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transcript.whisperx[3188].text 好你先講好了
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transcript.whisperx[3189].text 賴世保、羅馬德蘇賓、郭國榮、蔡英文
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transcript.whisperx[3190].text 因為你都會交付下來
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transcript.whisperx[3191].text 我們依著程序在走
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transcript.whisperx[3193].text 大家都認為無人機是非常重要
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transcript.whisperx[3196].text 我們跟時間在賽跑
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transcript.whisperx[3197].text 沒有理由在拖延時間
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transcript.whisperx[3198].text 我們跟時間在賽跑
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transcript.whisperx[3199].text 沒有理由在拖延
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transcript.whisperx[3200].text 今天
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transcript.whisperx[3201].text 議會交付下來
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transcript.whisperx[3202].text 由主席所列出
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transcript.whisperx[3203].text 我們應該要一條一條的來審
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transcript.whisperx[3204].text 因為我們看到目前為止
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transcript.whisperx[3205].text 在政府部門
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transcript.whisperx[3206].text 也就是這個六年
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transcript.whisperx[3207].text 442億
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transcript.whisperx[3208].text 一年等於
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transcript.whisperx[3209].text 80億左右
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transcript.whisperx[3210].text 我們認為絕對是不夠
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transcript.whisperx[3211].text 所以沒有理由在主導這個條例
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transcript.whisperx[3212].text 趕快通過
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transcript.whisperx[3213].text 我們不要再阻擋
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transcript.whisperx[3214].text 今天大家都說
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transcript.whisperx[3215].text 非常的重要
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transcript.whisperx[3216].text 所以我建請
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transcript.whisperx[3217].text 既然剛剛所有的委員發言
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transcript.whisperx[3218].text 都認為無人機非常的重要
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transcript.whisperx[3219].text 更是我們護國神山的重要關鍵
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transcript.whisperx[3220].text 所以請大家
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transcript.whisperx[3221].text 我們趕快從第一條
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transcript.whisperx[3222].text 趕快來審
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transcript.whisperx[3223].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[3224].text 好,28委員
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transcript.whisperx[3225].text 謝謝年輕人很多委員的指教
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transcript.whisperx[3226].text 我再強調一遍
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transcript.whisperx[3227].text 你說怎麼會
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transcript.whisperx[3228].text 我現在打臉,我過去沒有打臉
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transcript.whisperx[3229].text 因為我的版本就放在上面
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transcript.whisperx[3230].text 然後行政院的
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transcript.whisperx[3231].text 也是特別條例也放在一起
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transcript.whisperx[3232].text 行政院的特別條例
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transcript.whisperx[3233].text 跟國民黨團、民眾黨團
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transcript.whisperx[3234].text 一般條例都放在一起
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transcript.whisperx[3235].text 每一個委員有的特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[3236].text 有的一般預算
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transcript.whisperx[3237].text 我有的一般預算
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transcript.whisperx[3238].text 產業方案條例我沒有提預算
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transcript.whisperx[3239].text 但是我就要提一個特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[3240].text 也加起來一起審
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transcript.whisperx[3241].text 就放在一起審
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transcript.whisperx[3242].text 這有什麼說我否定我自己沒有
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transcript.whisperx[3243].text 那是把條例放在上面
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transcript.whisperx[3244].text 第十頁,剛才中間拼文
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transcript.whisperx[3245].text 來指教,感謝指教
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transcript.whisperx[3246].text 放在這裡,我沒有逃避
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transcript.whisperx[3247].text 我就放在這裡,我的意思就在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[3248].text 但是
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transcript.whisperx[3249].text 我的跟國防部
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transcript.whisperx[3250].text 最大不一樣在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[3251].text 國防部就是好不讓人一直賣
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transcript.whisperx[3252].text 我再強調一遍
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transcript.whisperx[3253].text 2萬、21萬架
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transcript.whisperx[3254].text 剛接的只有2000架左右
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transcript.whisperx[3255].text 我的條例是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[3256].text 我買進來一定要技術申請
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transcript.whisperx[3257].text 我一定要技術
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transcript.whisperx[3258].text Obset,裡面最少40%以上
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transcript.whisperx[3259].text 沒有這個東西我就不買
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transcript.whisperx[3260].text 我這個是有條件的啊
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transcript.whisperx[3261].text 放進來一起審
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transcript.whisperx[3262].text 因為院會
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transcript.whisperx[3263].text 我原來是說需要分開兩個
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transcript.whisperx[3264].text 但院會已經交辦
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transcript.whisperx[3265].text 那就是大家一起審
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transcript.whisperx[3266].text 各位與其糾結
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transcript.whisperx[3267].text 再說一定要分開兩個,你不如趕快
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transcript.whisperx[3268].text 一起審
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transcript.whisperx[3269].text 因為總共行政院的就是7條而已
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transcript.whisperx[3270].text 扣掉7條而已
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transcript.whisperx[3271].end 11155.67
transcript.whisperx[3271].text 扣掉條文的名稱
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transcript.whisperx[3272].text 主管單位14日期,只剩4條
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transcript.whisperx[3273].text 行政院分明只有4條
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transcript.whisperx[3274].text 我們的加加減減
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transcript.whisperx[3275].text 有公司就給他過
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transcript.whisperx[3276].text 沒有公司就保留學生
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transcript.whisperx[3277].text 這樣才能夠往前走
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transcript.whisperx[3278].text 至於說你一定要放在特別
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transcript.whisperx[3279].text 放在什麼的
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transcript.whisperx[3280].text 最後再來處理,院會再來處理
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transcript.whisperx[3281].text 今天來講的話,我們就很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[3282].text 我的PM就是兩個,一個是
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transcript.whisperx[3283].text 我一個是沒有預算的,就只有一個法案
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transcript.whisperx[3284].text 另外一個是
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transcript.whisperx[3285].text 500億是一定要
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transcript.whisperx[3286].text 技術升級、技術深耕
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transcript.whisperx[3287].text 的案子
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transcript.whisperx[3288].text 我沒有逃避,怎麼會說我打領
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transcript.whisperx[3289].text 過去的Lasman沒有啊
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transcript.whisperx[3290].text Lasman都在這裡啊
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transcript.whisperx[3291].text 我的提案就很清楚啊
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transcript.whisperx[3292].text 我就是要,對我特別預算沒有錯
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transcript.whisperx[3293].text 但是我要技術升級
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transcript.whisperx[3294].text 不一樣,我的
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transcript.whisperx[3295].text 我的就比國防部的高級一點
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transcript.whisperx[3296].text 比較advanced一點
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transcript.whisperx[3297].text 我不能去背你啊,我要高級一點
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transcript.whisperx[3298].text 第一個,我要高級一點,我要技術升級
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transcript.whisperx[3300].text 高級的無人機的廠商
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transcript.whisperx[3301].text 來台灣設廠,我是不一樣的
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transcript.whisperx[3303].text 但是因為院會交辦
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transcript.whisperx[3304].text 要放在一起審,我們就尊重
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transcript.whisperx[3305].text 大念念念
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transcript.whisperx[3306].text 好了
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transcript.whisperx[3307].text 我是邊緯人啊
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transcript.whisperx[3308].text 我特別預算得很認真
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transcript.whisperx[3309].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[3310].text 本黨呢就已經有看到說
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transcript.whisperx[3311].text 國防部裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3312].text 非常重要的一個要把
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transcript.whisperx[3313].text 自主,國防自主的這個意識
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transcript.whisperx[3314].text 在裡面,我們可以看到國防部
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transcript.whisperx[3315].text 裡面他有強調一個是
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transcript.whisperx[3316].text 要,除了後職國防產業
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transcript.whisperx[3317].text 之外還打造飛鴻供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[3319].text 有提到的,很多的就是
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transcript.whisperx[3320].text 包括說採購啦,還包括產業,但是
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transcript.whisperx[3322].text 為什麼我們這樣說,因為我們
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transcript.whisperx[3323].text 這一次的強調的
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transcript.whisperx[3326].text 他未來呢,只到六年之後就是
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transcript.whisperx[3328].text 我們終點是不希望是這個預算取向
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transcript.whisperx[3331].text 透過政府的
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transcript.whisperx[3332].text 經費放上去,尤其大家也可以確定
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transcript.whisperx[3333].text 我們現在當然已經確定到說
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transcript.whisperx[3334].text 我們全世界的飛鴻的國家
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transcript.whisperx[3335].text 就是,飛鴻的國家
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transcript.whisperx[3336].text 他是願意花錢去支持
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transcript.whisperx[3337].text 他也沒有跟中國
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transcript.whisperx[3338].text 所參與的這個產業,所以
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transcript.whisperx[3339].text 支持的,也願意比較高的價格,但是
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transcript.whisperx[3340].text 我們是不是能夠在這個期間
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transcript.whisperx[3341].text 之內把自己有自主的
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transcript.whisperx[3342].text 工業產業拉出來,就必須靠著
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transcript.whisperx[3343].text 像民眾黨這邊所
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transcript.whisperx[3344].text 重視到的,要用的是
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transcript.whisperx[3345].text 一個長期的
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transcript.whisperx[3347].text 那市場驅動的力量就必須要
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transcript.whisperx[3350].text 產業發展竟然是做為要
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transcript.whisperx[3351].text 支持到國防的自主產業
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transcript.whisperx[3352].text 那就必須要把,又放在
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transcript.whisperx[3353].text 我們的一般預算來進行
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transcript.whisperx[3354].text 這是本黨第一個重要的差別
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transcript.whisperx[3355].text 第二個部分在於
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transcript.whisperx[3356].text 飛鴻供應鏈的部分,我們可以看到
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transcript.whisperx[3358].text 的這個版本當中
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transcript.whisperx[3359].text 它7條
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transcript.whisperx[3360].text 它的7條版本當中
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transcript.whisperx[3361].text 並沒有說這個飛鴻的供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[3362].text 到底是怎麼去認證的
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transcript.whisperx[3363].text 那本黨的部分,包括說
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transcript.whisperx[3364].text 還有很多在於說,你要達到
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transcript.whisperx[3365].text 這個空域,不就是我們現在缺少的
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transcript.whisperx[3366].text 在於
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transcript.whisperx[3367].text 它的這個
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transcript.whisperx[3368].text 空域的
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transcript.whisperx[3369].text 空域的
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transcript.whisperx[3370].text 空域的部分的測試
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transcript.whisperx[3371].text 測試場式跟它的一個認證
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transcript.whisperx[3372].text 都需要有更具體的一個
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transcript.whisperx[3373].text 規劃,那本黨是很負責
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transcript.whisperx[3374].text 提出來這些相關的規定
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transcript.whisperx[3375].text 但所謂的飛鴻供應鏈,不是
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transcript.whisperx[3376].text 只是口號,而是透過
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transcript.whisperx[3377].text 這樣子的一個很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[3378].text 的,怎麼樣把紅色供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[3379].text 去除到飛鴻供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[3380].text 去掉飛鴻供應鏈上面的認證制度
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transcript.whisperx[3381].text 這就是我們這邊所要強調的
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transcript.whisperx[3382].text 有的必要性
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transcript.whisperx[3383].text 好,接下來我們請郭國恩委員
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transcript.whisperx[3384].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[3385].text 剛剛您聽那個
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transcript.whisperx[3386].text 操演時間的對話,聽不上去有一種
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transcript.whisperx[3387].text 雞同鴨講的那種感覺
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transcript.whisperx[3388].text 不過在過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[3389].text 還有一定的共識
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transcript.whisperx[3390].text 共識的部分就是本黨
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transcript.whisperx[3391].text 希望用特別預算的方式跟賴斯堡
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transcript.whisperx[3392].text 委員是一致的
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transcript.whisperx[3393].text 如果是這樣子是不是從有共識
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transcript.whisperx[3394].text 面的部分來做切入
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transcript.whisperx[3395].text 剛剛楊瓊瑩委員說有提到說
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transcript.whisperx[3397].text 的部分,440而已好像太少
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transcript.whisperx[3398].text 其實如果再加上國務部的版本
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transcript.whisperx[3399].text 2100億加起來好像
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transcript.whisperx[3400].text 也不會太少,更何況呢
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transcript.whisperx[3401].text 不論從供給面也好,從需求面也好
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transcript.whisperx[3402].text 它有不同的面向,可以形成
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transcript.whisperx[3406].text 也就是從需求面
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transcript.whisperx[3408].text 來達到採購的裝備跟形成
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transcript.whisperx[3409].text 戰力的可能
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transcript.whisperx[3410].text 而經濟部的部分比較像是一個協助
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transcript.whisperx[3411].text 供應鏈跟技術與產能的部分
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transcript.whisperx[3412].text 這樣的部分其實不應該
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transcript.whisperx[3413].text 錯置,也不應該混為一談
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transcript.whisperx[3415].text 又含測試、產業聚落
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transcript.whisperx[3416].text 輸貨、市場、還有一般的公務採購
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transcript.whisperx[3417].text 老實講,老實說
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transcript.whisperx[3419].text 扶植混在一起
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transcript.whisperx[3420].text 然後我們讓產業發展就交給經濟部來處理
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transcript.whisperx[3421].text 因為已經有無人載具產業
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transcript.whisperx[3422].text 發展計畫了,所以這樣的情況
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transcript.whisperx[3424].text 需求,讓國防部來完成
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transcript.whisperx[3425].text 建軍的需要
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transcript.whisperx[3426].text 好,接下來請蔡議員
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transcript.whisperx[3427].text 我負荷郭國恩委員講的
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transcript.whisperx[3428].text 那如果朝野
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transcript.whisperx[3429].text 我們現在
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transcript.whisperx[3430].text 大家的共識是在於
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transcript.whisperx[3431].text 特別預算可以優先處理的話
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transcript.whisperx[3432].text 那我們可以立即處理
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transcript.whisperx[3433].text 那基本上我還是要講
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transcript.whisperx[3434].text 像國民黨版本所提出來
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transcript.whisperx[3435].text 用年度預算,每年便列四百億
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transcript.whisperx[3436].text 這樣的一個架構
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transcript.whisperx[3437].text 它永遠會卡在
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transcript.whisperx[3438].text 總預算,到底什麼時候通過
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transcript.whisperx[3439].text 那比方說,我們在上禮拜一的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3440].text 我們經濟委員會
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transcript.whisperx[3441].text 會有到
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transcript.whisperx[3442].text 這個我們嘉義
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transcript.whisperx[3443].text 這個雅創
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transcript.whisperx[3444].text 去做限定的一個匯寬
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transcript.whisperx[3445].text 那這個雅創,它目前它需要
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transcript.whisperx[3446].text 包括說它裡面的一些設備
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transcript.whisperx[3447].text 未來如果做無人機的
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transcript.whisperx[3448].text 測試的一個場域的話
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transcript.whisperx[3449].text 它是需要投入相關的設備
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transcript.whisperx[3450].text 所以它需要的預算
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transcript.whisperx[3451].text 差不多十億多
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transcript.whisperx[3452].text 那這個預算
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transcript.whisperx[3453].text 行政院都已經同意
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transcript.whisperx[3454].text 就卡在總預算還沒有通過
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transcript.whisperx[3455].text 那所以這樣一拖,你看
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transcript.whisperx[3456].text 今年度已經拖了
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transcript.whisperx[3457].text 七個多月了
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transcript.whisperx[3458].text 這樣的一個延宕,都是時間的浪費
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transcript.whisperx[3459].text 所以我們對於說
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transcript.whisperx[3460].text 你們用年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[3461].text 來編列,那年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[3462].text 沒有辦法通過,也許不是因為無人機
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transcript.whisperx[3463].text 是其他的因素
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transcript.whisperx[3464].text 總是它會去卡住
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transcript.whisperx[3465].text 一旦卡住的話,就會造成這個產業
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transcript.whisperx[3466].text 它所需要的
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transcript.whisperx[3467].text 一些預算的支持,就會不見
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transcript.whisperx[3468].text 就是這麼簡單,所以我們還是認為說
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transcript.whisperx[3469].text 大家如果支持
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transcript.whisperx[3470].text 無人機產業的話
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transcript.whisperx[3471].text 就用特別預算,而且既然
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transcript.whisperx[3472].text 剛剛這樣一輪的發言起來
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transcript.whisperx[3473].text 特別預算,既然有預算
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transcript.whisperx[3474].text 已經有共識的話,那我們就
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transcript.whisperx[3475].text 從這裡來開始審議吧
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transcript.whisperx[3476].text 好,我們從第一條就開始好不好
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transcript.whisperx[3477].text 因為,我告訴你,我都看完了
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transcript.whisperx[3478].text 名稱,就是名稱
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transcript.whisperx[3479].text 名稱,名稱
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transcript.whisperx[3480].text 名稱的話
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transcript.whisperx[3481].text 嗯,那就保留啊
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transcript.whisperx[3482].text 不是,因為對我們本黨
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transcript.whisperx[3483].text 對我們本黨來講的話
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transcript.whisperx[3484].text 就是一樣啊
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transcript.whisperx[3485].text 我就是支持年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[3486].text 你這樣的主持,這樣的審查
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transcript.whisperx[3487].text 叫做過水
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transcript.whisperx[3488].text 名稱就有三種
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transcript.whisperx[3489].text 我剛剛就講的是三個不同的概念
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transcript.whisperx[3490].text 那大家要不要討論
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transcript.whisperx[3491].text 你都還沒討論,你馬上就講說那三種不同
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transcript.whisperx[3492].text 那就保留,那你就是在過水嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3493].text 你很明顯就是在過水嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3494].text 主席
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transcript.whisperx[3495].text 我就會這樣子講
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transcript.whisperx[3498].text 剛剛我們審查的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3499].text 已經大家發言這麼多次
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transcript.whisperx[3500].text 然後主席有說了
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transcript.whisperx[3501].text 大家各自的版本
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transcript.whisperx[3502].text 主席也表示他民眾黨的
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transcript.whisperx[3503].text 的名稱希望是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[3504].text 剛剛我也提出國民黨的名稱
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transcript.whisperx[3505].text 是什麼,我支持國民黨
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transcript.whisperx[3506].text 這就是這樣子啊,所以
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transcript.whisperx[3507].text 大家充分討論,已經超過了
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transcript.whisperx[3508].text 超過了快一個鐘頭
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transcript.whisperx[3509].text 應該要針對於
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transcript.whisperx[3510].text 我們的進度第一條,到底要怎麼處理啊
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transcript.whisperx[3511].text 主席我支持用賴氏八五員的
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transcript.whisperx[3512].text 特別預算的方式,有特別預算的
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transcript.whisperx[3513].text 都先審啊,好不好
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transcript.whisperx[3514].text 沒有啊,賴氏八五有一個無人載具產業
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transcript.whisperx[3515].text 升級發展啊,差不多啊,他兩個都可以
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transcript.whisperx[3516].text 先審他有特別預算的,那就是保留
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transcript.whisperx[3517].text 因為你已經都討論了,我就說
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transcript.whisperx[3518].text 今天我們也不想
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transcript.whisperx[3519].text 大家充分共事
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transcript.whisperx[3520].text 你們要支持我這個案子,你們要支持五百億喔
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transcript.whisperx[3524].text 他是說方式
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transcript.whisperx[3525].text 不是幾十米的版本
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transcript.whisperx[3526].text 那我們的
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transcript.whisperx[3527].text 那我們現在是要談
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transcript.whisperx[3528].text 法案名稱嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3529].text 我們現在是第一條啦
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transcript.whisperx[3558].text 我們現在是第一條啦
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transcript.whisperx[3559].text 國防採購技術合作特別的條例
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transcript.whisperx[3560].text 國防採購技術合作特別的條例
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transcript.whisperx[3561].text 這個名字很好啊
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transcript.whisperx[3562].text 這個名字很好啊
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transcript.whisperx[3563].text 我們支持賴志邦委員的這個
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transcript.whisperx[3564].text 國外採購技術合作特別條例
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transcript.whisperx[3565].text 主席啊,這個到了最後
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transcript.whisperx[3566].text 每一個委員都有提案的權利
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transcript.whisperx[3567].text 每一個黨團也都有提案的權利
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transcript.whisperx[3568].text 剛進到委員會的目標,目標不就是要整合出一個版本嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3569].text 到最後你只能刪除一個版本嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3570].text 這是大家都同意的事嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3571].text 那今天大家支持不一樣的版本
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transcript.whisperx[3572].text 但本席就是堅持國民黨黨團的版本
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transcript.whisperx[3574].text 堅持己見的時候不就是保留嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3575].text 那這就是委員會的慣例啊
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transcript.whisperx[3576].text 不就是這樣嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3577].text 所以我講今天本席的態度就是我就是堅持國民黨黨團的提案
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transcript.whisperx[3578].text 堅持民眾黨的版本啊
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transcript.whisperx[3579].text 是啊,那就這樣了嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3580].text 那要嘛我們可以在這邊一直講一直講
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transcript.whisperx[3581].text 那到底這樣子對於快速通過有沒有幫助嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3582].text 沒有就沒有嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3583].text 法案明天已經一個鐘頭了
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transcript.whisperx[3584].text 我們更時間賽跑
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transcript.whisperx[3585].text 請主席坐決
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transcript.whisperx[3586].text 坐台決
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transcript.whisperx[3587].text 請主席坐決
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transcript.whisperx[3588].text 法案條名稱所有版本提案均保留
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transcript.whisperx[3589].text 好,我們接下來進行第一條
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transcript.whisperx[3590].text 請進一步
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transcript.whisperx[3591].text 說明
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transcript.whisperx[3592].text 好,那跟委員會報告
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transcript.whisperx[3593].text 那我們這邊還是建立行政院版本的第一條
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transcript.whisperx[3594].text 我們的理由是
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transcript.whisperx[3595].text 因為
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transcript.whisperx[3596].text 委員
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transcript.whisperx[3597].text 裡面的這個版本涉及到就是說產業發展的部分
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transcript.whisperx[3598].text 我們已經有在產創條例
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transcript.whisperx[3599].text 還有行政院的無人載具產業發展統修行計畫
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transcript.whisperx[3600].text 都已經有納入相關的研發補助租稅優惠
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transcript.whisperx[3601].text 人才培育跟資金協助的一些措施
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transcript.whisperx[3602].text 那另外國防法裡面也有這個針對工業合作
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transcript.whisperx[3603].text 也有做一些規範
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transcript.whisperx[3604].text 所以我們還是建立就是說
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transcript.whisperx[3605].text 是不是可以聚焦在無人機的這個國防採購上面
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transcript.whisperx[3606].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[3607].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[3608].text 請各位聽話
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transcript.whisperx[3609].text 中央病委員
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transcript.whisperx[3610].text 其實剛剛因為幾位委員的表達
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transcript.whisperx[3612].text 那因為呢,尋求共識的方式呢,就自己要先讓步
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transcript.whisperx[3613].text 如果大家各自堅持不讓步,就絕對不會有共識
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transcript.whisperx[3614].text 所以雖然我有一個版本
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transcript.whisperx[3616].text 那本黨團有很多人提出版本
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transcript.whisperx[3617].text 但是我願意率先做一個示範
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transcript.whisperx[3619].text 我覺得賴斯巴委員
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transcript.whisperx[3620].text 國防戰略無人載具國外採購及技術合作特別條例的第一條
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transcript.whisperx[3622].text 要強化我國的情報監視、偵查及精準打擊等等等多重嚇阻能力
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transcript.whisperx[3623].text 並結合美國及其他國家先進戰略無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[3624].text 服務以技術移轉及工業合作提升我國無人載具產業自自主研發產製及維修能量
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transcript.whisperx[3625].text 確保國家安全與國防自主
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transcript.whisperx[3626].text 特制定本條例,我支持
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transcript.whisperx[3627].text 楊瓊瑩委員
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transcript.whisperx[3628].text 其實我們看到行政院的版本第一條
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transcript.whisperx[3629].text 跟我們國民黨的提案
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transcript.whisperx[3630].text 為意新世代科技戰爭形態
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transcript.whisperx[3632].text 推動軍民通用科技雙向轉移
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transcript.whisperx[3633].text 引導民間卓越的資通訊與精密機械產能
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transcript.whisperx[3636].text 雙重效益
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transcript.whisperx[3637].text 並建立符合民主供應鏈標準
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transcript.whisperx[3638].text 排除了高風險供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[3639].text 特制定本條例
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transcript.whisperx[3640].text 所以這個條例的文字
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transcript.whisperx[3641].text 比行政院的版本更加的周延
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transcript.whisperx[3642].text 所以我們敬請支持國民黨第一條的文字
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transcript.whisperx[3644].text 好 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[3645].text 基本上我附議一下鍾嘉斌委員
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transcript.whisperx[3646].text 我覺得真的賴世寶委員的這個
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transcript.whisperx[3649].text 第一條的文字我認為更加的完整
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transcript.whisperx[3650].text 跟能夠
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transcript.whisperx[3652].text 其實我們在國防戰略上面的思維
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transcript.whisperx[3654].text 我也希望能夠支持
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transcript.whisperx[3657].text 所以你現在反而不支持這個提案
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transcript.whisperx[3658].text 我也覺得怪怪的
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transcript.whisperx[3659].text 今天我們是在跟時間賽跑
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transcript.whisperx[3661].text 能夠更周延
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transcript.whisperx[3662].text 所以我請各位同仁
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transcript.whisperx[3663].text 我們經濟委員會
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transcript.whisperx[3664].text 不管國防委員會或者是這個
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transcript.whisperx[3665].text 都
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transcript.whisperx[3666].text 大家都是非常的希望無人機
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transcript.whisperx[3667].text 能夠趕快去通過
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transcript.whisperx[3668].text 所以我覺得再多的政治化術
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transcript.whisperx[3669].text 對於無人機的產業
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transcript.whisperx[3670].text 或者是國防自主都沒有幫助
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transcript.whisperx[3671].text 好 賴慧文委員
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transcript.whisperx[3672].text 好 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[3674].text 邱毅穎委員的一個提案
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transcript.whisperx[3675].text 那當然我也支持賴世保委員
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transcript.whisperx[3676].text 在這個
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transcript.whisperx[3678].text 那以上是表達本席的意見
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transcript.whisperx[3679].text 賴世保委員再呈答題委員
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transcript.whisperx[3680].text 我們謝謝大家的支持
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transcript.whisperx[3681].text 大家如果可以支持
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transcript.whisperx[3682].text 因為我的版本第一條
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transcript.whisperx[3683].text 我當然這個很高興的接受
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transcript.whisperx[3684].text 那就第一條按照我的版本
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transcript.whisperx[3687].text 就是說這一次的
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transcript.whisperx[3688].text 這個條裡面還有一個很重要的因素
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transcript.whisperx[3690].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[3692].text 所以說我對這個
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transcript.whisperx[3693].text 鍾委員的說法我是認同的
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transcript.whisperx[3694].text 好 黃安祥委員
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transcript.whisperx[3695].text 好 我說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[3696].text 比如說黨團的版本
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transcript.whisperx[3697].text 因為我們這個版本基本上
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transcript.whisperx[3698].text 兼顧了這個國防自主
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transcript.whisperx[3699].text 然後同時我們也在這個
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transcript.whisperx[3700].text 我們的條例裡面有講到就是
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transcript.whisperx[3702].text 台灣本地無人機產業的發展
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transcript.whisperx[3704].text 那因為現在這個
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transcript.whisperx[3706].text 有別於過去我們傳統上
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transcript.whisperx[3707].text 的FMS的採購
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transcript.whisperx[3709].text 跟這個商規的軍用的部分
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transcript.whisperx[3712].text 這些版本裡面我們應該在
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transcript.whisperx[3714].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[3715].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[3716].text 好 還沒
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transcript.whisperx[3717].text 目前看起來就是國民黨團
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transcript.whisperx[3718].text 就是有
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transcript.whisperx[3719].text 版本 然後在民眾黨團
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transcript.whisperx[3725].text 另外我們再加一個
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transcript.whisperx[3729].text 然後另外就是
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transcript.whisperx[3731].text 因為是產業發展嘛 我們要做一個
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transcript.whisperx[3732].text 輸出
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transcript.whisperx[3790].text 全部都混在一起來談
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transcript.whisperx[3856].text 好 謝謝 接下來總教兵委員
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transcript.whisperx[3857].text 好 我一向很敬重我們顧部長
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transcript.whisperx[3858].end 12438.47
transcript.whisperx[3858].text 過去在第十屆我們第九屆
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transcript.whisperx[3859].end 12440.47
transcript.whisperx[3859].text 我們是立法院的同事 但是
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transcript.whisperx[3860].text 我是覺得呢 我們在思考問題上
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transcript.whisperx[3861].text 不要陷入了大
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transcript.whisperx[3862].text 貓走大洞 小貓
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transcript.whisperx[3863].text 走小洞 這個大家聽過這個
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transcript.whisperx[3864].end 12450.47
transcript.whisperx[3864].text 故事 愛因斯坦還是哪一個哲學家
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transcript.whisperx[3865].end 12452.47
transcript.whisperx[3865].text 科學家 他就
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transcript.whisperx[3866].text 大貓要走大洞 小貓走小洞 其實你有了
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transcript.whisperx[3867].text 大洞 大貓小貓都可以
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transcript.whisperx[3868].text 鑽啊 那我來看一下
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transcript.whisperx[3869].text 賴斯巴委員的提案 為什麼我會覺得他寫得也不錯
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transcript.whisperx[3870].text 呢 因為他在第一條的部分他說
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transcript.whisperx[3871].text 為強化我國情報
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transcript.whisperx[3872].text 監視 偵查與精準
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transcript.whisperx[3873].text 打擊 行政院版是說
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transcript.whisperx[3874].text 要偵查及精準攻擊
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transcript.whisperx[3875].text 只差兩項 他沒有
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transcript.whisperx[3876].text 行政院版沒有情報跟監視
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transcript.whisperx[3877].text 那我所知道的沒有錯
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transcript.whisperx[3878].text 我長期在關注行政院的
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transcript.whisperx[3879].text 預算 尤其在MQ9V
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transcript.whisperx[3880].text 他就是屬於一種
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transcript.whisperx[3881].end 12485.47
transcript.whisperx[3881].text 比現在的高空預警機
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transcript.whisperx[3882].text 他更具有高空的一個偵查
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transcript.whisperx[3883].text 能力 他也可以
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transcript.whisperx[3884].text 監視能力也可以做
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transcript.whisperx[3885].text 有情報的一個輸送
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transcript.whisperx[3886].text 但是
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transcript.whisperx[3887].text 賴斯巴委員的這四個項目就像是大洞一樣
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transcript.whisperx[3888].text 那今天
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transcript.whisperx[3889].text 部長說 我只要兩項 我只要一個小洞
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transcript.whisperx[3890].text 你不要給我大洞
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transcript.whisperx[3891].text 難道小貓可以鑽小洞
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transcript.whisperx[3892].text 小貓不能走大洞嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3893].text 如果這個特別預算能夠給
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transcript.whisperx[3894].text 行政院獲制 那你要拿去
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transcript.whisperx[3895].text 集中在買偵查及
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transcript.whisperx[3896].text 精準攻擊 這裡沒有妨礙啊
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transcript.whisperx[3897].text 沒有妨礙啊
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transcript.whisperx[3898].text 賴委員他比較寬
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transcript.whisperx[3899].text 他說我給你的這個特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[3900].text 你可以去做情報監視
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transcript.whisperx[3901].text 這個是MQ9V的
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transcript.whisperx[3902].text 或者說偵查或精準打擊
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transcript.whisperx[3903].text 這就涉及到自殺無人機
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transcript.whisperx[3904].text 的一個作為 那這個兩不衝突
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transcript.whisperx[3905].text 倒是呢 我這邊既然討論
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transcript.whisperx[3906].text 條文 我也不是完全無條件
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transcript.whisperx[3907].text 接受賴委員的版本
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transcript.whisperx[3908].text 我也是覺得這裡面有一個名詞
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transcript.whisperx[3909].text 很重要 一個叫做飛鴻供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[3910].text 這個飛鴻供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[3911].text 目前世界上各國
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transcript.whisperx[3912].text 好像成為一個共識
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transcript.whisperx[3913].text 但在法律條文當中
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transcript.whisperx[3914].text 它並沒有被定義 鴻是哪些
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transcript.whisperx[3915].text 是PRZ是紅嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3916].text 中國人民共和國是紅嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3917].text 越南是不是紅
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transcript.whisperx[3918].text 我就不清楚越南是不是紅啦
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transcript.whisperx[3919].text 今天不算算不算紅
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transcript.whisperx[3920].text 這個我也不清楚啊
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transcript.whisperx[3921].text 倒是賴委員這邊寫的
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transcript.whisperx[3922].text 結合美國及其他國家
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transcript.whisperx[3923].text 好 那如果我們把美國
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transcript.whisperx[3924].text 放進去 美國絕對不是紅
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transcript.whisperx[3925].text 那美國及
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transcript.whisperx[3926].text 其他同盟國家的話
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transcript.whisperx[3927].text 加同盟兩個字
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transcript.whisperx[3928].text 那我們就會確定呢 這個美國及
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transcript.whisperx[3929].text 其他同盟國家 就符合
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transcript.whisperx[3930].text 飛鴻供應鏈的概念
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transcript.whisperx[3931].text 因為基本上目前有跟美國
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transcript.whisperx[3932].text 有同盟關係的 像日本
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transcript.whisperx[3933].text 像菲律賓
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transcript.whisperx[3934].text 這些呢 都跟美國還有
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transcript.whisperx[3935].text 那個我們的這個北約
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transcript.whisperx[3936].text 它都是屬於啊 跟美國
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transcript.whisperx[3937].text 有同盟關係的 那跟美國
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transcript.whisperx[3938].text 同盟關係的目前沒有看到
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transcript.whisperx[3939].text 有所謂被認知為紅的部分
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transcript.whisperx[3940].text 所以如果以這個條件來講
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transcript.whisperx[3941].text 如果要把行政院版的飛鴻供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[3942].text 更精準的 不用法律名詞
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transcript.whisperx[3943].text 去解釋 不用在條文裡面另外解釋
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transcript.whisperx[3944].text 我們把它放在
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transcript.whisperx[3945].text 賴志寶版本委員的那個
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transcript.whisperx[3946].text 結合美國及其他同盟國家
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transcript.whisperx[3947].text 這樣的話 大概就
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transcript.whisperx[3948].text 滿足了飛鴻供應鏈的要求
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transcript.whisperx[3949].end 12622.13
transcript.whisperx[3949].text 那至於其他的國防部擔心說
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transcript.whisperx[3950].text 還有什麼 服以
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transcript.whisperx[3951].end 12626.13
transcript.whisperx[3951].text 技術移轉及工業合作
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transcript.whisperx[3952].end 12628.13
transcript.whisperx[3952].text 這個其實也是給多一個選項嘛
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transcript.whisperx[3953].text 所以我是覺得說
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transcript.whisperx[3954].text 賴委員的版本可取之處
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transcript.whisperx[3955].text 它是大洞 大貓小貓都可以鑽
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transcript.whisperx[3956].text 行政院目前第一條的需求是小貓
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transcript.whisperx[3957].text 你可以走大洞
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transcript.whisperx[3958].text 所以事實上不用去排斥
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transcript.whisperx[3959].text 賴委員多了一個情報跟監視
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transcript.whisperx[3960].text 未來採購的主導權還是在行政院
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transcript.whisperx[3961].text 那至於飛鴻供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[3962].text 是否能改以美國及其他同盟國家
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transcript.whisperx[3963].text 這樣就很明確了
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transcript.whisperx[3964].text 以上建議
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transcript.whisperx[3965].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[3966].text 看起來那個國民黨團這邊
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transcript.whisperx[3967].text 還有沒有
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transcript.whisperx[3968].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[3969].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[3970].text 來來來
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transcript.whisperx[3971].text 王安祥
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transcript.whisperx[3972].text 王安祥
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transcript.whisperx[3973].text 王安祥委員有沒有
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transcript.whisperx[3974].text 沒有
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transcript.whisperx[3975].text 這也是可以
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transcript.whisperx[3976].text 國民黨團的提案的版本
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transcript.whisperx[3977].text 是
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transcript.whisperx[3978].text 按照國民黨團
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transcript.whisperx[3979].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[3980].text 那這樣好了
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transcript.whisperx[3981].text 因為看起來就是有三個堅持
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transcript.whisperx[3982].text 國民黨團 黨團提案
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transcript.whisperx[3983].text 另外台灣
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transcript.whisperx[3984].text 剛剛講了
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transcript.whisperx[3985].text 最後你要再發表嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3986].text 沒有
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transcript.whisperx[3987].text 台灣民眾黨團的提案
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transcript.whisperx[3988].text 有它的一個堅持
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transcript.whisperx[3992].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[3994].text 看起來也是沒有共識
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transcript.whisperx[3997].text 均保留
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transcript.whisperx[4001].text 你要保留
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transcript.whisperx[4002].text 你要保留
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transcript.whisperx[4003].text 就會變成是全部保留
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transcript.whisperx[4004].text 今天主席
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transcript.whisperx[4005].text 就是想要保留出委員會
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transcript.whisperx[4006].text 這樣符合賴委員
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transcript.whisperx[4007].text 部長
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transcript.whisperx[4008].text 不用啦
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transcript.whisperx[4012].text 好 那第一條所有版本的提案均保留
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transcript.whisperx[4013].text 進行第二條
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transcript.whisperx[4014].text 請這個
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transcript.whisperx[4015].text 那麼
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transcript.whisperx[4016].text 那個就併在一起就好
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transcript.whisperx[4018].text 那個需要嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4019].text 那是老委員你的那個
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transcript.whisperx[4020].text 不是
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transcript.whisperx[4027].text 現在就一起審查嘛
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transcript.whisperx[4028].text 就看大家的意見
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transcript.whisperx[4029].text 那就是保留的
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transcript.whisperx[4032].text 沒有沒有沒有
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transcript.whisperx[4036].text 所以你就回到我剛剛講嘛
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transcript.whisperx[4038].text 因為與會交保
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transcript.whisperx[4067].text 這樣清楚嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4068].text 現在到第二條嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4083].text 直接可以發言了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4092].text 如果我們從法律名稱來看
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transcript.whisperx[4123].text 能夠非常的
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transcript.whisperx[4124].text 能夠確保
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transcript.whisperx[4129].text 的提案的地
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transcript.whisperx[4130].text 有關主管機關的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4131].text 就是要由經濟部作為一個主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[4132].text 那國防部跟經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[4133].text 這一個怎麼樣去
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transcript.whisperx[4134].text 如果按照國民黨
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transcript.whisperx[4135].text 的版本的話
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transcript.whisperx[4136].text 經濟部跟國防部
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transcript.whisperx[4137].text 也都是主辦的一個機關
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transcript.whisperx[4138].text 那怎麼樣去
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transcript.whisperx[4139].text 執行我們後面的條文
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transcript.whisperx[4140].text 就可以有更好的一個
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transcript.whisperx[4141].text 討論
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transcript.whisperx[4142].text 以上謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[4143].text 好 沒事吧委員再來六十
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transcript.whisperx[4144].text 我強調一下
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transcript.whisperx[4145].text 也感謝民進黨
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transcript.whisperx[4146].text 先進的支持我的版本
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transcript.whisperx[4147].text 然後製造我的矛盾
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transcript.whisperx[4148].text 實在一點都沒有矛盾
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transcript.whisperx[4149].text 因為今天在經濟委員會主審
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transcript.whisperx[4150].text 就是經濟委員會為主管
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transcript.whisperx[4151].text 他為經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[4152].text 然後你可以有一個國防採購
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transcript.whisperx[4153].text 專章
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transcript.whisperx[4154].text 我的五百億就可以放進來了
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transcript.whisperx[4155].text 就這麼簡單的事情
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transcript.whisperx[4156].text 這立法技術
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transcript.whisperx[4157].text 民進黨委員都在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[4158].text 老鳥也不是菜鳥
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transcript.whisperx[4159].text 都很清楚知道
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transcript.whisperx[4160].text 這個立法技術都可以處理的
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transcript.whisperx[4161].text 就是我的兩個案子可以變為一個
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transcript.whisperx[4162].text 但是精神要都有
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transcript.whisperx[4163].text 老鳥
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transcript.whisperx[4164].text 我這裡面就是在經濟部主導底下
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transcript.whisperx[4165].text 然後
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transcript.whisperx[4166].text 一個專章叫國防採購專章
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transcript.whisperx[4167].text 或者國防自主
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transcript.whisperx[4168].text 採購專章都可以
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transcript.whisperx[4169].text 裡面就把它放進來
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transcript.whisperx[4170].text 那有什麼問題
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transcript.whisperx[4171].text 所以不需要說一定要扯這個
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transcript.whisperx[4172].text 一定要分開兩個等等的
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transcript.whisperx[4173].text 我再強調一遍
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transcript.whisperx[4174].text 我們是希望這個法案
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transcript.whisperx[4175].text 越快通過越好
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transcript.whisperx[4176].text 而且不要忘了
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transcript.whisperx[4177].text 國民黨的這個黨版是兩千四百億喔
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transcript.whisperx[4178].text 如果加上再五百億就兩千九百億喔
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transcript.whisperx[4179].text 比這個公務長列的兩千一百億
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transcript.whisperx[4180].text 多太多太多喔
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transcript.whisperx[4181].text 這個東西是不是讓案子早一點過
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transcript.whisperx[4182].text 可能比這個
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transcript.whisperx[4183].text 比什麼都重要啦
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transcript.whisperx[4184].text 我再強調一遍
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transcript.whisperx[4185].text 我的七年檢案沒有矛盾
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transcript.whisperx[4186].text 沒有矛盾
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transcript.whisperx[4188].text 國防部的採購放在裡面的專章就夠
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transcript.whisperx[4189].text 好,接下來我們請劉樹斌委
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transcript.whisperx[4190].text 好,謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[4191].text 本黨的版本當中
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transcript.whisperx[4192].text 現在針對
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transcript.whisperx[4193].text 行政院的第二條呢
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transcript.whisperx[4194].text 我們是在第三條
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transcript.whisperx[4195].text 呼應到我們本黨的整個設計規劃
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transcript.whisperx[4196].text 是它要是一個
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transcript.whisperx[4197].text 軍民通用還是
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transcript.whisperx[4198].text 可以進到國際供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[4199].text 我們已經講過了
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transcript.whisperx[4200].text 有一個產業的確是
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transcript.whisperx[4201].text 有發展的可行性
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transcript.whisperx[4202].text 這個產業的可能性
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transcript.whisperx[4203].text 必須要是有強烈的民用
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transcript.whisperx[4204].text 包括支持到
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transcript.whisperx[4205].text 軍軍的部分喔
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transcript.whisperx[4206].text 所以我們的產業
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transcript.whisperx[4207].text 為主的跟國防自主在一起
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transcript.whisperx[4208].text 的內容上面
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transcript.whisperx[4209].text 就有兩個主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[4211].text 那涉及到,特別拉出來是
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transcript.whisperx[4212].text 經濟國防的運用事項
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transcript.whisperx[4213].text 就是國防部
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transcript.whisperx[4214].text 大家可以看到說我們的
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transcript.whisperx[4215].text 委員他們自己的選區在這邊
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transcript.whisperx[4216].text 在地方也非常重要
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transcript.whisperx[4217].text 也是產業的一個大本營
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transcript.whisperx[4218].text 所以涉及到地方的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4219].text 就是各縣市的政府
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transcript.whisperx[4220].text 這邊特別再講到說
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transcript.whisperx[4221].text 裡面的涉及到有關
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transcript.whisperx[4222].text 飛航的安全等等
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transcript.whisperx[4223].text 這邊就是還是有區域差異
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transcript.whisperx[4224].text 也把它做了一個區分
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transcript.whisperx[4225].text 這邊不是沒有利可循
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transcript.whisperx[4226].text 就在於說因為在
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transcript.whisperx[4227].text 文化資產的
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transcript.whisperx[4228].text 條例當中我們看一下喔
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transcript.whisperx[4229].text 等我一下
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transcript.whisperx[4230].text 在文化資產保存法當中
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transcript.whisperx[4231].text 就有這樣的一個情況
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transcript.whisperx[4232].text 中央機關機關是文化部
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transcript.whisperx[4233].text 但是在設,而且有地方的
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transcript.whisperx[4234].text 這個主管機關喔
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transcript.whisperx[4235].text 在直轄市各縣市等等
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transcript.whisperx[4237].text 它是涉及到自然地景
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transcript.whisperx[4238].text 跟自然紀念物的話
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transcript.whisperx[4239].text 在中央的話就是
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transcript.whisperx[4240].text 為農業部
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transcript.whisperx[4241].text 那如果是海域的
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transcript.whisperx[4243].text 它的主管機關就是海巡署
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transcript.whisperx[4244].text 所以我們也是很認真的就
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transcript.whisperx[4245].text 它可能的
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transcript.whisperx[4246].text 可能相關的主管機關都負責了一些
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transcript.whisperx[4247].text 包括中央跟地方
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transcript.whisperx[4248].text 一起來把推動這樣的無人機產業
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transcript.whisperx[4249].text 包括無人機的國防的自主來去
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transcript.whisperx[4250].text 鼓勵,請大家支持
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transcript.whisperx[4251].text 好,終究要邊圍
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transcript.whisperx[4252].text 好,剛聽完劉委員的發言
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transcript.whisperx[4253].text 你不用擔心
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transcript.whisperx[4254].text 因為你們是第三條
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transcript.whisperx[4255].text 在講主管機關,國民黨團是第二條
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transcript.whisperx[4256].text 再反過來
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transcript.whisperx[4257].text 國民黨第三條在講民事定義
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transcript.whisperx[4259].text 那到底是在市府
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transcript.whisperx[4260].text 我在講二環講主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[4261].text 那主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[4262].text 目前大部分的條文本都在第二條
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transcript.whisperx[4264].text 我還是願意再度的
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transcript.whisperx[4265].text 釋出一個好的善意
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transcript.whisperx[4266].text 就是我們能夠互相退讓
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transcript.whisperx[4267].text 才能夠有共識版本
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transcript.whisperx[4268].text 那我還是再次的提到
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transcript.whisperx[4269].text 賴志寶委員的版本
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transcript.whisperx[4270].text 他雖然寫本條例自主管機關為國防部
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transcript.whisperx[4271].text 他第一項是這樣寫,大概大部分都是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[4272].text 但是第二項他也提到了
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transcript.whisperx[4273].text 本條例所定之技術
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transcript.whisperx[4274].text 移轉工業合作及產業
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transcript.whisperx[4275].text 升級四項,由國防部
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transcript.whisperx[4276].text 會同經濟部辦理
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transcript.whisperx[4277].text 這個說的倒是沒有錯
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transcript.whisperx[4278].text 如果這樣條例除了採購之外
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transcript.whisperx[4279].text 因為他的目的,在賴委員的版本第一條
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transcript.whisperx[4280].text 他就有包含未來希望能夠帶動產業的發展
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transcript.whisperx[4281].text 所以這時候由國防部來會同經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[4282].text 這是OK的
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transcript.whisperx[4283].text 不過我對於後半段就認為
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transcript.whisperx[4284].text 可以商榷,並得邀請
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transcript.whisperx[4285].text 國家科學及技術委員會
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transcript.whisperx[4286].text 部會來協同推動
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transcript.whisperx[4287].text 這也還可以
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transcript.whisperx[4288].text 因為共同辦理跟協助推動
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transcript.whisperx[4289].text 這是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[4290].text 但是把國家中山科學研究院及相關法人業界
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transcript.whisperx[4291].text 這個就是多此一舉啦
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transcript.whisperx[4292].text 因為在我們的立法例當中
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transcript.whisperx[4293].text 在條文當中
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transcript.whisperx[4294].text 要明定主管機關之外
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transcript.whisperx[4295].text 在行政院如果有其他部會可以參與的話
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transcript.whisperx[4296].text 要以部會層級來表達
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transcript.whisperx[4297].text 所以本條例
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transcript.whisperx[4298].text 他這裡所說的,由國防部會同經濟部辦理
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transcript.whisperx[4299].text 辦理什麼呢?
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transcript.whisperx[4300].text 辦理技術移轉,辦理工業合作
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transcript.whisperx[4301].text 辦理產業升級,這個堪稱隱蕩
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transcript.whisperx[4302].text 那如果還要再加上一個
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transcript.whisperx[4303].text 國科會來協助
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transcript.whisperx[4304].text 協同推動
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transcript.whisperx[4305].text 在立法例上來講,同事部會等級,這OK
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transcript.whisperx[4306].text 但是你把一個法人
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transcript.whisperx[4307].text 放在這個條文裡面
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transcript.whisperx[4308].text 就顯得有點不倫不類啦
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transcript.whisperx[4309].text 所以我是建議陳可的建議
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transcript.whisperx[4310].text 雖然我肯定賴委員的提案內容
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transcript.whisperx[4311].text 比較包容比較寬
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transcript.whisperx[4312].text 但是我還是要提出來
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transcript.whisperx[4313].text 如果要採用賴委員版本的第二條
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transcript.whisperx[4314].text 不曉得國防部可不可以接受
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transcript.whisperx[4315].text 還有經濟部可不可以接受
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transcript.whisperx[4316].text 如果只是把他的第二項
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transcript.whisperx[4317].text 經濟部放進去,共同辦
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transcript.whisperx[4318].text 會同經濟部辦理,以及國科會
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transcript.whisperx[4319].text 協同推動放進去
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transcript.whisperx[4320].text 不曉得國防部跟經濟部的意見態度怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[4321].text 請主席處理
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transcript.whisperx[4322].text 來
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transcript.whisperx[4323].text 我先表達我的意見
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transcript.whisperx[4324].text 其實
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transcript.whisperx[4325].text 因為我覺得你做一個產業的發展
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transcript.whisperx[4326].text 因為當時在這一個
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transcript.whisperx[4327].text 國防的自主的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4328].text 我們的部長都說過
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transcript.whisperx[4329].text 這個就是你要
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transcript.whisperx[4331].text 國內自主產制
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transcript.whisperx[4335].text 當然是國防部開
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transcript.whisperx[4340].text 所以在這裡頭的話
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transcript.whisperx[4341].text 本黨團當然就是主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[4342].text 所以我們認識經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[4343].text 但是你涉及國防運用
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transcript.whisperx[4344].text 是國防部
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transcript.whisperx[4345].text 所以這位是跟王定宇委員的
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transcript.whisperx[4346].text 也是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[4347].text 王定宇委員的話,中央主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[4349].text 採購,或者是我們講
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transcript.whisperx[4350].text 是國防部
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transcript.whisperx[4351].text 那國民黨團的提案來講
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transcript.whisperx[4354].text 基本上主辦機關有經濟部、國防部
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transcript.whisperx[4355].text 這些都有法令可循
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transcript.whisperx[4356].text 所以我是覺得
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transcript.whisperx[4357].text 你要國產自治化
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transcript.whisperx[4358].text 從我們的研發升級
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transcript.whisperx[4359].text 跟產業輔導,那是經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[4360].text 眾多政府部會
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transcript.whisperx[4362].text 制定,那可能是
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transcript.whisperx[4363].text 國防,其他部會當然就為需求
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transcript.whisperx[4364].text 進來就可以了
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transcript.whisperx[4366].text 這樣子的一個
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transcript.whisperx[4367].text 發展的一個條理
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transcript.whisperx[4368].text 現實的一個發展的方向
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transcript.whisperx[4369].text 跟這個做法
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transcript.whisperx[4370].text 謝一鳳委員
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transcript.whisperx[4371].text 主席,不好意思,那個
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transcript.whisperx[4372].text 我覺得那個如果周家斌委員有意見
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transcript.whisperx[4375].text 國防部來說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[4376].text 就是那個看法
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transcript.whisperx[4377].text 沒關係,我先表達我的看法完
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transcript.whisperx[4380].text 跟各位委員報告
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transcript.whisperx[4381].text 因為院板,其實我們的
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transcript.whisperx[4382].text 條文是最主要是
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transcript.whisperx[4383].text 這個國防自主
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transcript.whisperx[4384].text 的這個需求,然後
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transcript.whisperx[4385].text 來做這個無人機的
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transcript.whisperx[4386].text 採購,建立國內的
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transcript.whisperx[4387].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[4388].text 國防的一個軍事的
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transcript.whisperx[4389].text 這個能量
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transcript.whisperx[4391].text 列為主管機關的話
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transcript.whisperx[4392].text 事實上,在實務上我們
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transcript.whisperx[4393].text 也沒辦法幫國安部來決定
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transcript.whisperx[4396].text 就是說未來分工
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transcript.whisperx[4397].text 分工的部分,所以我們還是建立
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transcript.whisperx[4398].text 委員會這邊能夠
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transcript.whisperx[4399].text 來支持行政院的
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transcript.whisperx[4400].text 版本,以這個主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[4401].text 為國安部,這樣的一個
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transcript.whisperx[4403].text 好,所以這一條看起來大家都
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transcript.whisperx[4407].text 因為我們是,不是委員
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transcript.whisperx[4408].text 沒有,因為經濟部有剛跟我講說
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transcript.whisperx[4410].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[4411].text 那個我想
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transcript.whisperx[4414].text 因為我們是提出我們的
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transcript.whisperx[4415].text 採購,我們周帶需求的
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transcript.whisperx[4416].text 採購,所以當然以國安部為主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[4419].text 為經濟部,國安部的立場就是
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transcript.whisperx[4422].text 以特別預算的方式來編列
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transcript.whisperx[4423].text 兩個
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transcript.whisperx[4427].text 所以我們的特別條例
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transcript.whisperx[4428].text 很明白的,就是
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transcript.whisperx[4430].text 而且這些特定的項目在特別條例通過之後
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transcript.whisperx[4433].text 那至於剛剛有委員提到
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transcript.whisperx[4434].text 那個賴斯堡委員的
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transcript.whisperx[4435].text 提案,提到這些
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transcript.whisperx[4437].text 跟產業升級等等
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transcript.whisperx[4439].text 因為我們的部分是屬於
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transcript.whisperx[4440].text 自主生產的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4441].text 所以不會涉及到相關的
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transcript.whisperx[4443].text 因為我們是百分之百
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transcript.whisperx[4444].text 要在國內自治,至於廠商
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transcript.whisperx[4445].text 會私下就這個
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transcript.whisperx[4446].text 性能提升,不但
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transcript.whisperx[4447].text 疊帶創新的部分,跟國外產生技術合作
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transcript.whisperx[4448].text 這不在屬於我們這一次
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transcript.whisperx[4449].text 應該要特別納列的
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transcript.whisperx[4452].text 那麼,如果
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transcript.whisperx[4453].text 當然進一步再往下看,我想
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transcript.whisperx[4456].text 這個項目並不是屬於
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transcript.whisperx[4458].text 這個是屬於我們另外會
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transcript.whisperx[4459].text 編列在相關的
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transcript.whisperx[4461].text 喂,喂
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transcript.whisperx[4462].text 我想就先講到這個點
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transcript.whisperx[4463].text 好,謝謝各位
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transcript.whisperx[4464].text 送給你
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transcript.whisperx[4465].text 謝謝國防部的說明
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transcript.whisperx[4466].text 因為委員的版本大家各有堅持
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transcript.whisperx[4467].text 我今天率先都肯定
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transcript.whisperx[4468].text 其他委員的內容,雖然我已經做一些修正
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transcript.whisperx[4469].text 但是我還是要做其他的
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transcript.whisperx[4470].text 版本的一個比較
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transcript.whisperx[4471].text 剛剛政委有提到
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transcript.whisperx[4480].text 這就不太
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transcript.whisperx[4481].text 不太看起來怪怪的啦
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transcript.whisperx[4482].text 不過還好剛剛我們部長的說明
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transcript.whisperx[4483].text 已經把這個疑惑解除了
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transcript.whisperx[4484].text 也就是說在我們自主產制
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transcript.whisperx[4485].text 百分之百自治的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4489].text 那麼是不是
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transcript.whisperx[4490].text 有包含未來有可能全部在
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transcript.whisperx[4492].text 研發製造
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transcript.whisperx[4493].text 這個我也是沒有把握
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transcript.whisperx[4494].text 因為老實說,目前呢
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transcript.whisperx[4495].text 我們採購無人機
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transcript.whisperx[4496].text 整個系統生態系產業鏈
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transcript.whisperx[4497].text 整機能夠全機整機
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transcript.whisperx[4498].text 外銷的大概呢
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transcript.whisperx[4499].text 要作為軍用的部分的比例
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transcript.whisperx[4500].text 其實是有一些
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transcript.whisperx[4502].text 我們自己國防戰略的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4503].text 很大的部分呢還是要借重
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transcript.whisperx[4505].text 新創研發公司還有在
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transcript.whisperx[4507].text 可能是我們迫切需要的
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transcript.whisperx[4508].text 但是呢我這裡還是要提一下
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transcript.whisperx[4509].text 在國民黨團
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transcript.whisperx[4510].text 他的主管機關是經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[4513].text 然後呢市設的採購研發
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transcript.whisperx[4516].text 因為剛好今天呢
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transcript.whisperx[4517].text 因為這個立法體力啊
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transcript.whisperx[4518].text 很罕見
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transcript.whisperx[4519].text 剛好我們法務部法制師
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transcript.whisperx[4520].text 有參事在場
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transcript.whisperx[4521].text 那麼我想請教一下在中央法規標準法當中
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transcript.whisperx[4523].text 主辦機關還有所謂的
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transcript.whisperx[4524].text 這個會同
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transcript.whisperx[4527].text 是否有辦法執行
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transcript.whisperx[4528].text 不然看得我很亂啊
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transcript.whisperx[4529].text 到底主管機關這個主辦機關
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transcript.whisperx[4530].text 還有有關主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[4531].text 共同辦理
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transcript.whisperx[4532].text 這些名詞在我們條例上
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transcript.whisperx[4533].text 是不是應該要有一個更清楚
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transcript.whisperx[4534].text 依照過去的寫法
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transcript.whisperx[4535].text 而不是說自己創造發明
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transcript.whisperx[4536].text 我們未來無法執行的內容
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transcript.whisperx[4537].text 法務部
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transcript.whisperx[4538].text 那關於這一條的這個
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transcript.whisperx[4539].text 主管機關或主辦機關的規定
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transcript.whisperx[4540].text 這個在中央法規標準法
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transcript.whisperx[4541].text 並沒有針對
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transcript.whisperx[4542].text 這個事項去做預定
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transcript.whisperx[4543].text 那在
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transcript.whisperx[4544].text 立法體力上
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transcript.whisperx[4545].text 就是
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transcript.whisperx[4547].text 涉及的這個事項
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transcript.whisperx[4548].text 分類類型很多
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transcript.whisperx[4549].text 那現在定出一個
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transcript.whisperx[4550].text 主管機關因為他呼應的是
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transcript.whisperx[4551].text 後面後面有一些條文
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transcript.whisperx[4552].text 他分別
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transcript.whisperx[4553].text 會規範由主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[4554].text 就是授權主管機關去做一些事情
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transcript.whisperx[4555].text 那所以我想
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transcript.whisperx[4556].text 這樣在這一條的
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transcript.whisperx[4557].text 這個分類必須要搭配
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transcript.whisperx[4558].text 後面幾個
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transcript.whisperx[4559].text 就是相關的這些機關
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transcript.whisperx[4560].text 當他們去在後面的對應
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transcript.whisperx[4561].text 條文上去規範
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transcript.whisperx[4562].text 這個事項各個機關是不是
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transcript.whisperx[4563].text 認為妥適
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transcript.whisperx[4564].text 所以這個部分我是建議
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transcript.whisperx[4565].text 由涉及到的這幾個
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transcript.whisperx[4566].text 主管機關去盤點一下
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transcript.whisperx[4567].text 後面這些條文
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transcript.whisperx[4568].text 去規範到他們職權的事項是不是妥適
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transcript.whisperx[4570].text 要一個一個問嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4571].text 你發言
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transcript.whisperx[4572].text 我因為我一向都是表達說
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transcript.whisperx[4573].text 要先尊重其他的版本
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transcript.whisperx[4574].text 盡量的退讓
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transcript.whisperx[4575].text 但是我還是不得不對於民眾黨
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transcript.whisperx[4576].text 的版本表示一些
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transcript.whisperx[4577].text 實務上到底要怎麼去認定的問題
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transcript.whisperx[4578].text 首先他在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[4579].text 第三條他說本條例
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transcript.whisperx[4580].text 是中央主管機關是經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[4581].text 中央
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transcript.whisperx[4582].text 然後涉及國防運用事項
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transcript.whisperx[4583].text 為國防部
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transcript.whisperx[4584].text 還有地方主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[4586].text 這個大概也是很罕見的立法例
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transcript.whisperx[4587].text 那後面第二項的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4588].text 那個就更特別了
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transcript.whisperx[4589].text 本條例涉及飛航安全
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transcript.whisperx[4590].text 空域管理
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transcript.whisperx[4591].text 資通安全頻率使用
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transcript.whisperx[4592].text 政府採購警政消防
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transcript.whisperx[4593].text 災防農業海巡
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transcript.whisperx[4595].text 地方場域及其他
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transcript.whisperx[4596].text 目的事業
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transcript.whisperx[4597].text 事項者由中央各
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transcript.whisperx[4598].text 目的事業主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[4600].text 關鍵就是依權則辦理
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transcript.whisperx[4601].text 如果是各相關的目的事業主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[4602].text 依權則辦理根本不用寫
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transcript.whisperx[4603].text 因為本來我們所有的
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transcript.whisperx[4604].text 主管機關他所處理的事項
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transcript.whisperx[4605].text 他不可能全部都在該
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transcript.whisperx[4606].text 部會的含色範圍
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transcript.whisperx[4607].text 難免有一些跑到內政部啦
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transcript.whisperx[4608].text 跑到NCC啦
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transcript.whisperx[4609].text 跑到速發部啦
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transcript.whisperx[4610].text 跑到公共工程委員會啊
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transcript.whisperx[4611].text 公平委也會有啊
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transcript.whisperx[4615].text 後面都要把這些行不當當
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transcript.whisperx[4616].text 行政院的一級機關
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transcript.whisperx[4618].text 難道是這樣子寫法嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4619].text 所以我是想今天列席的部會很多
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transcript.whisperx[4629].text 消防署有來嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4630].text 那我們警政的部分警政署有來嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4631].text 那農業部沒有看到啊
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transcript.whisperx[4632].text 海委會沒看到啊環境部沒看到啊
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transcript.whisperx[4637].text 他所涉及到處到的內容
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transcript.whisperx[4638].text 的業務機關都要來
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transcript.whisperx[4639].text 讓我們了解一下未來能不能
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transcript.whisperx[4640].text 執行啊所以我常常
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transcript.whisperx[4641].text 剛剛一直聽到說很多委員說這個很重要
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transcript.whisperx[4642].text 這個很重要要趕快趕快不能耽誤
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transcript.whisperx[4643].text 這跟我們認真的把法律
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transcript.whisperx[4650].text 我們有既往的成立可以參考
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transcript.whisperx[4651].text 這樣的寫法是否妥適
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transcript.whisperx[4656].text 地方機關怎麼主管
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transcript.whisperx[4657].text 那市設的那些非常安全
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transcript.whisperx[4658].text 等等項目交通部民航局
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transcript.whisperx[4663].text 我們就保留
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transcript.whisperx[4664].text 應該要問清楚你們當時設計這個條款
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transcript.whisperx[4665].text 你們的思考
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transcript.whisperx[4666].text 未來在運作上
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transcript.whisperx[4667].text 是否能夠有效運作
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transcript.whisperx[4668].text 那如果不寫也可以
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transcript.whisperx[4669].text 那就不要寫嘛因為所有的
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transcript.whisperx[4670].text 作用法他都會
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transcript.whisperx[4671].text 除了主管機關以外
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transcript.whisperx[4672].text 可能跟其他法律有進合的
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transcript.whisperx[4673].text 或者業務內容有相關相涉的
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transcript.whisperx[4674].text 那這些而且最好玩的是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[4675].text 你有沒有寫依權責處理
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transcript.whisperx[4676].text 這五個字在行政機關
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transcript.whisperx[4677].text 叫做最好用請本於權責
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transcript.whisperx[4678].text 我們只要在地方政府
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transcript.whisperx[4679].text 看到說
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transcript.whisperx[4680].text 問了半天最後一句話請本於權責辦理
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transcript.whisperx[4683].text 再回到條文裡面去跟你會同共同
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transcript.whisperx[4685].text 問一下是不是這些機關呢
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transcript.whisperx[4686].text 民眾黨黨團的這些內容要相關機關回應一下
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transcript.whisperx[4687].text 不能寫這麼多
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transcript.whisperx[4688].text 不能拿掉
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transcript.whisperx[4689].text 趙偉很能問喔
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transcript.whisperx[4690].text 趙偉很能問喔
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transcript.whisperx[4691].text 我們不是立法局啦我們是立法院啦
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transcript.whisperx[4692].text 我們不是立法局啦
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transcript.whisperx[4693].text 我們是一次就做主我們
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transcript.whisperx[4694].text 怎麼會請他們來
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transcript.whisperx[4695].text 我想說叫主席去問各機關我覺得我們今天在審查法案
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transcript.whisperx[4698].text 不行我們還是要做協商
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transcript.whisperx[4699].text 這是我們在立法的過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[4700].text 的一個非常必要的程序
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transcript.whisperx[4701].text 我剛才說了我們大家都認為無人機非常的重要
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transcript.whisperx[4702].text 所以我們就
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transcript.whisperx[4703].text 今天現在是
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transcript.whisperx[4704].text 討論到第二條
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transcript.whisperx[4705].text 那主管機關單位行政部門以及各政黨的委員
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transcript.whisperx[4706].text 都有提出了說明了各自的意見是怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[4708].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[4709].text 所以我剛就說行政院就是國防部嘛
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transcript.whisperx[4711].text 那我們民進黨黨團就是參考這個文化資產的保存法的第四條
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transcript.whisperx[4712].text 他訂了兩個主管機關嘛
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transcript.whisperx[4713].text 後面的話你如果說我們這個東西的話
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transcript.whisperx[4715].text 因為是考慮到你的是非的場域等等
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transcript.whisperx[4720].text 所以這也是兩個主管機關嘛
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transcript.whisperx[4721].text 就只有行政院是國防部而已就這樣子啦
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transcript.whisperx[4722].text 來
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transcript.whisperx[4723].text 今天因為我看到飛航安全空運管理
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transcript.whisperx[4724].text 有找交通部有找民航局
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transcript.whisperx[4725].text 我看到了頻率使用
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transcript.whisperx[4726].text 跟資通安全
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transcript.whisperx[4727].text 看起來是一個觸發
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transcript.whisperx[4728].text 這個就請NCC交通部民航局訂
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transcript.whisperx[4729].text 訂資就可以了
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transcript.whisperx[4731].text 要不要聽一聽看這個部分怎麼處理
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transcript.whisperx[4732].text NCC有沒有必要列進來管頻率使用
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transcript.whisperx[4733].text 你說到政府採購今天有工程會
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transcript.whisperx[4734].text 我們的警政消防
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transcript.whisperx[4735].text 內政部有沒有人在場
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transcript.whisperx[4736].text 農業
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transcript.whisperx[4738].text 部會的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4739].text 你難道不請部會來保釋意見嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4741].text 這邊才有議員
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transcript.whisperx[4742].text 你並沒有支持民眾黨團的條文
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transcript.whisperx[4743].text 如果你是支持的話
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transcript.whisperx[4744].text 你就可以問他們
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transcript.whisperx[4745].text 你又不支持
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transcript.whisperx[4746].text 你又不支持
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transcript.whisperx[4747].text 你不支持我的
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transcript.whisperx[4748].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[4749].text 賴事保委員的提案
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transcript.whisperx[4750].text 賴事保委員的提案
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transcript.whisperx[4752].text 半照優先
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transcript.whisperx[4753].text 後面等於是在修正前面的
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transcript.whisperx[4754].text 基本上就是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[4756].text 我提了一個 我再提第二個
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transcript.whisperx[4757].text 解釋上就是我在修正前面
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transcript.whisperx[4758].text 中委員有意見的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4759].text 以及他提到的相關疑問的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4760].text 是不是請相關
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transcript.whisperx[4761].text 部會在協商前
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transcript.whisperx[4762].text 就是在黨團協商前
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transcript.whisperx[4764].text 把相關的報告或者是相關
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transcript.whisperx[4765].text 疑慮的部分能夠
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transcript.whisperx[4766].text 交給委員會每個委員
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transcript.whisperx[4768].text 聯席委員會的每個委員
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transcript.whisperx[4769].text 交到那個就是委員會
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transcript.whisperx[4770].text 他自己提了都不支持
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transcript.whisperx[4771].text 所以要支持賴事保
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transcript.whisperx[4772].text 好來 算我們第二條
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transcript.whisperx[4773].text 按照全漢都保留
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transcript.whisperx[4774].text 好我們進到第三條
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transcript.whisperx[4775].text 根據原版這邊
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transcript.whisperx[4776].text 下一頁就是
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transcript.whisperx[4777].text 我們到了名詞定義這邊了
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transcript.whisperx[4778].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[4779].text 請進一步
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transcript.whisperx[4780].text 跟委員會報告
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transcript.whisperx[4781].text 我想行政院版本的第三條
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transcript.whisperx[4782].text 就是針對這個
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transcript.whisperx[4783].text 國安部的這個需求
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transcript.whisperx[4784].text 他們要針對這個
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transcript.whisperx[4785].text 第四條所提的
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transcript.whisperx[4786].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[4787].text 採購的這些項目
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transcript.whisperx[4788].text 做一些
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transcript.whisperx[4789].text 做一些這個
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transcript.whisperx[4791].text 其他委員的版本的部分
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transcript.whisperx[4792].text 我們是 我們的看法是說
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transcript.whisperx[4793].text 因為
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transcript.whisperx[4794].text 這個烏雲載具
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transcript.whisperx[4795].text 這個類型非常多
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transcript.whisperx[4796].text 包括地面
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transcript.whisperx[4807].text 控制軟體等等
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transcript.whisperx[4810].text 也都已經有納進來的
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transcript.whisperx[4815].text 這個費用的這個
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transcript.whisperx[4818].text 這個工程會也都有相關的
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transcript.whisperx[4928].text 通通都把它放進去
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transcript.whisperx[4931].text 他只有天上飛的才有
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transcript.whisperx[4933].text 水面的水面底下的
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transcript.whisperx[4934].text 其他的自殺小艇等等
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transcript.whisperx[4935].text 沒有在這個大的無人載具的範圍裡面喔
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transcript.whisperx[4937].text 我還是不知道到底要怎麼樣去審這個
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transcript.whisperx[4938].text 這個條例啦
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transcript.whisperx[4939].text 好那我支持
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transcript.whisperx[4940].text 第三條我是支持行政院的
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transcript.whisperx[4941].text 版本喔這個還是要回到
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transcript.whisperx[4942].text 國防部對於我們的
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transcript.whisperx[4943].text 國防需求戰略考量
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transcript.whisperx[4944].text 的所有的採購案還是
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transcript.whisperx[4946].text 來 開始吧 委員
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transcript.whisperx[4947].text 這個我要對國民黨團跟民眾黨團講個話啦
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transcript.whisperx[4948].text 他是先定義啦
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transcript.whisperx[4949].text 先定義到底是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[4951].text 所以國民黨團講的是無人載具軍用商規軍民共用
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transcript.whisperx[4954].text 也是把它定義
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transcript.whisperx[4955].text 這個時候我怎麼沒有聽到說
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transcript.whisperx[4956].text 民進黨委員要支持我的
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transcript.whisperx[4957].text 版本我的版本很好啊
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transcript.whisperx[4958].text 前面前面有那個
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transcript.whisperx[4959].text 第四條的
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transcript.whisperx[4960].text 產業發展條例
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transcript.whisperx[4961].text 我定義很清楚全部包括進來
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transcript.whisperx[4962].text 你挑的
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transcript.whisperx[4963].text 然後這個
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transcript.whisperx[4964].text 這個特別條例裡面呢
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transcript.whisperx[4965].text 我裡面特別提的是
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transcript.whisperx[4966].text 前向最後
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transcript.whisperx[4967].text 前向採購與美國或
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transcript.whisperx[4968].text 與其他國家
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transcript.whisperx[4969].text 所產製或授權的裝備為止
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transcript.whisperx[4970].text 而且每一個採購案
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transcript.whisperx[4971].text 要附加技術輸出及
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transcript.whisperx[4972].text 工業合作條件
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transcript.whisperx[4973].text 工業合作就是offset
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transcript.whisperx[4974].text 所以
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transcript.whisperx[4975].text 我是認為我的完整
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transcript.whisperx[4976].text 有名詞定義的基本上
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transcript.whisperx[4977].text 就跟國民黨團
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transcript.whisperx[4978].text 民進黨團的基本上是接近的
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transcript.whisperx[4980].text 要採購但是呢注意看喔
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transcript.whisperx[4981].text 行政院版本跟我的版本
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transcript.whisperx[4982].text 最大不一樣的是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[4983].text 行政院版本就是國內採購
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transcript.whisperx[4985].text 我的版本是什麼是upgrade
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transcript.whisperx[4986].text 是高階的
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transcript.whisperx[4989].text 他是低階的啦
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transcript.whisperx[4990].text 現在有喔你注意看
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transcript.whisperx[4991].text 他就是這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[4992].text 沒有沒有
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transcript.whisperx[4994].text 這裡面就是DCS了
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transcript.whisperx[4995].text 這裡面是商購
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transcript.whisperx[5001].text 當然我們低階嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5002].text 當然是啊怎麼不是
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transcript.whisperx[5003].text 這個我已經講了
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transcript.whisperx[5005].text 最早說明已經講了
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transcript.whisperx[5007].text 裡面只有2000架
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transcript.whisperx[5010].text 當然有不同的
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transcript.whisperx[5011].text 不同的定義
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transcript.whisperx[5013].text 我再去找全世界
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transcript.whisperx[5014].text 現在第一名第二名第三名的
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transcript.whisperx[5017].text 最高就是這個美國以色列
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transcript.whisperx[5018].text 烏克蘭啊這大家都很清楚嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5020].text 他們都有實證經驗我們很多地方可以用啊
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transcript.whisperx[5022].text 才是我們真的需要採購的
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transcript.whisperx[5023].text 而
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transcript.whisperx[5024].text 而不是
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transcript.whisperx[5025].text 當然你低階嘛國內廠商他們高興啦
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transcript.whisperx[5027].text 只是讓國內
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transcript.whisperx[5034].text 無人機的海岸的廠商來
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transcript.whisperx[5036].text 我們現在全世界排名他排第15名
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transcript.whisperx[5037].text 左右15到20名
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transcript.whisperx[5038].text 左右我們希望能夠排到
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transcript.whisperx[5039].text 前5名我們希望創造
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transcript.whisperx[5040].text 大家都想說創造第二座的
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transcript.whisperx[5041].text 富國深山一定要往
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transcript.whisperx[5042].text 技術扎根技術升級
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transcript.whisperx[5043].text 來我走這是我的提案跟
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transcript.whisperx[5044].text 行政院很大不一樣的
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transcript.whisperx[5045].text 地方嘛這很清楚看得到
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transcript.whisperx[5047].text 第三條第四條第四條
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transcript.whisperx[5048].text 講的他要買的這幾項
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transcript.whisperx[5049].text 局限制裁
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transcript.whisperx[5050].text 這個這個濱海的監測
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transcript.whisperx[5055].text 這個顧部長在前幾天
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transcript.whisperx[5056].text 接受我的質詢的時候他也講
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transcript.whisperx[5057].text 無人機大概就是
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transcript.whisperx[5059].text 上千架
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transcript.whisperx[5060].text 上千台就講得很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[5061].text 就沒有了出這個字彙就沒有了
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transcript.whisperx[5063].text 第一台都還沒出來啊
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transcript.whisperx[5064].text 你現在畫一個餅在那裡我們都很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[5065].text 東區無人艇還沒有嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5066].text 一台也沒有啊誰有美國有啊
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transcript.whisperx[5067].text 所以我買的就是
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transcript.whisperx[5068].text 要跟這個地方買
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transcript.whisperx[5069].text 然後技術移轉
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transcript.whisperx[5070].text 就是歡迎你們說
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transcript.whisperx[5071].text 繼續支持第三條支持耐死保版本
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transcript.whisperx[5072].text 好那我們支持耐死保版本
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transcript.whisperx[5073].text 耐死保版本你要堅持喔
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transcript.whisperx[5074].text 沒有你們支持我
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transcript.whisperx[5075].text 這是你自己的版本你不要叫我們支持你
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transcript.whisperx[5080].text 我今天坐在這裡不是講要支持我版本嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5082].text 條文名稱到現在
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transcript.whisperx[5083].text 第三條你都沒有一條支持你自己的版本啊
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transcript.whisperx[5085].text 我支持我的版本
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transcript.whisperx[5086].text 其他人不容易見啊
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transcript.whisperx[5087].text 你承諾到我都不敢支持你自己的版本
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transcript.whisperx[5089].text 我一直講
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transcript.whisperx[5090].text 我的兩個條文我都支持
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transcript.whisperx[5092].text 今天才有人請發言
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transcript.whisperx[5093].text 耐委員有兩個版本
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transcript.whisperx[5094].text 沒有陳冠廷
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transcript.whisperx[5096].text 這是基本上就是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[5098].text 我們現在
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transcript.whisperx[5099].text 我們應該是要怎麼樣快速的完成這個法律
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transcript.whisperx[5102].text 這最重要的
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transcript.whisperx[5109].text 怎麼樣能夠讓他能夠
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transcript.whisperx[5110].text 產出飛程
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transcript.whisperx[5111].text 優質非常符合
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transcript.whisperx[5112].text 現代的戰爭的
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transcript.whisperx[5114].text 基本上是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[5120].text 自己生產
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transcript.whisperx[5123].text 就這樣
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transcript.whisperx[5127].text 然後沒人買
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transcript.whisperx[5130].text 有這個預算
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transcript.whisperx[5132].text 企業界趕快往這個好好的發展
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transcript.whisperx[5142].text 希望大家能夠支持
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transcript.whisperx[5143].text 好 川冠廷委員
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transcript.whisperx[5144].text 不是
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transcript.whisperx[5145].text 對啊
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transcript.whisperx[5146].text 所以這不就代表說你要支持我們行政院的版本嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5148].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[5155].text 有預算等等的話
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transcript.whisperx[5159].text 好啦 通過了
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transcript.whisperx[5160].text 好 那麼主席
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transcript.whisperx[5161].text 因為今天這個
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transcript.whisperx[5165].text 那因為今天主席
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transcript.whisperx[5166].text 直接進入了法條名稱
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transcript.whisperx[5169].text 現在我們看到條次的對應不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5170].text 有的在第三條
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transcript.whisperx[5173].text 大家現在在前條文後面打架
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transcript.whisperx[5174].text 後條文就不知道如何自圓其說
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transcript.whisperx[5176].text 我當然這個條文我是支持我的版本
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transcript.whisperx[5184].text 跟我們其他 跟本席的
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transcript.whisperx[5187].text 第一 他是叫本條例所稱
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transcript.whisperx[5189].text 他用戰略
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transcript.whisperx[5191].text 國防自主無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[5192].text 同樣都是採購喔
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transcript.whisperx[5193].text 那接下來他指的是竹墾機關及所屬機關
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transcript.whisperx[5195].text 所以真的要了解這些條文
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transcript.whisperx[5196].text 怎麼不一樣看第四條
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transcript.whisperx[5197].text 那第四條的內容我現在是不談
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transcript.whisperx[5202].text 其資源系統之獲得產制一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5203].text 賴委員A版多了共同生產
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transcript.whisperx[5204].text 好 那我就很好奇
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transcript.whisperx[5205].text 這個共同生產是什麼意思
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transcript.whisperx[5206].text 後面的維修工程及訓練也一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5207].text 但是呢 賴委員A版多了一個
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transcript.whisperx[5208].text 集與其
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transcript.whisperx[5209].text 一併取得之技術
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transcript.whisperx[5210].text 移轉與工業合作
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transcript.whisperx[5211].text 看起來好像比較周延
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transcript.whisperx[5212].text 但是在廣大的第二項看
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transcript.whisperx[5213].text 就出現了
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transcript.whisperx[5214].text 我就可以理解是不是
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transcript.whisperx[5215].text 賴委員認為戰略只有美國才叫戰略
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transcript.whisperx[5216].text 前項採購以美國或與
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transcript.whisperx[5217].text 其他國家所產制或
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transcript.whisperx[5218].text 授權之裝備為主
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transcript.whisperx[5219].text 其每一採購案均應附加技術
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transcript.whisperx[5220].text 移轉及工業合作條件
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transcript.whisperx[5221].text 這個就錯了
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transcript.whisperx[5222].text 其實美國
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transcript.whisperx[5223].text 他在研發很強
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transcript.whisperx[5224].text 整合很強 他不見得每個零組件都很強
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transcript.whisperx[5225].text 有些如果他都很強
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transcript.whisperx[5226].text 晶片就不是我們台積電在拿第一名了
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transcript.whisperx[5227].text 其實美國他現在他有所偏
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transcript.whisperx[5228].text 譬如說他的基礎工業能力
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transcript.whisperx[5229].text 其實最近這20年來都逐漸的在
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transcript.whisperx[5230].text 移轉到其他國家請人家代工生產
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transcript.whisperx[5231].text 所以美國在很多無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[5232].text 系統上
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transcript.whisperx[5233].text 他不是在每一個系統次系統
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transcript.whisperx[5234].text 零組件都是最強的
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transcript.whisperx[5235].text 就講一個好了
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transcript.whisperx[5236].text 現在無人載具當中如果是以自殺型的
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transcript.whisperx[5237].text 來講他的光電球
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transcript.whisperx[5238].text 光電球你覺得美國最強嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5239].text 美國沒辦法大量生產
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transcript.whisperx[5240].text 上萬顆的光電球
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transcript.whisperx[5241].text 但是台灣有什麼
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transcript.whisperx[5242].text 台灣的手機上的鏡頭
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transcript.whisperx[5243].text 大家都知道大立光很會生產
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transcript.whisperx[5244].text 那大家分清楚
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transcript.whisperx[5245].text 不要把高階跟低階當作是一概而論
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transcript.whisperx[5246].text 剛剛有提到我們無人系統
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transcript.whisperx[5247].text 我們要獲制的
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transcript.whisperx[5248].text 我稍微往後看一下第四條
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transcript.whisperx[5249].text 我們目前國防行政要的是
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transcript.whisperx[5250].text 濱海堅真
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transcript.whisperx[5251].text 還有呢濱海攻擊
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transcript.whisperx[5252].text 等同於耗材跟彈藥
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transcript.whisperx[5253].text 什麼叫做小型自殺艇
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transcript.whisperx[5254].text 自殺艇就是有去無回
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transcript.whisperx[5255].text 在執行這些作戰任務的
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transcript.whisperx[5256].text 系統載具或者武器
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transcript.whisperx[5257].text 基本上他就跟彈藥
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transcript.whisperx[5258].text 耗材一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5259].text 有去無回你要求的只能達到
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transcript.whisperx[5260].text 任務就好你不需要他重複使用
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transcript.whisperx[5261].text 幾千個小時啊
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transcript.whisperx[5262].text 你不需要重複起降好多的架次啊
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transcript.whisperx[5263].text 那這個時候你要求的
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transcript.whisperx[5264].text 零組件的品質是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[5265].text 可以讓他支撐完成
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transcript.whisperx[5266].text 他的任務就行了
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transcript.whisperx[5267].text 所以很清楚的美國的MQ9V
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transcript.whisperx[5268].text 他是要多次
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transcript.whisperx[5269].text 多次常時使用
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transcript.whisperx[5270].text 他的鏡頭很精密
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transcript.whisperx[5271].text 他的定位系統很準
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transcript.whisperx[5272].text 但是他不可能用在所謂的FPEV
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transcript.whisperx[5273].text 自殺型無人攻擊機上
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transcript.whisperx[5274].text 那這個時候有誰能夠生產這些
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transcript.whisperx[5275].text 大量的裝備
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transcript.whisperx[5276].text 所以會大量生產的是中國
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transcript.whisperx[5277].text 中國之外台灣是
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transcript.whisperx[5278].text 數一數二的能力
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transcript.whisperx[5279].text 所以當我們在講這些裝備的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5280].text 要跟賴委員A板交換一下意見
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transcript.whisperx[5281].text 這些採購啊
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transcript.whisperx[5282].text 不見得美國能做
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transcript.whisperx[5283].text 甚至我剛剛講的那種所謂的
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transcript.whisperx[5284].text 所謂的FPEV使用的
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transcript.whisperx[5285].text 這些光電球或者說
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transcript.whisperx[5286].text 偵查跟打擊合併的
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transcript.whisperx[5287].text 有去無回的這一種
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transcript.whisperx[5288].text 其實都是在東歐產製的
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transcript.whisperx[5289].text 美國連自己本國都沒有產製
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transcript.whisperx[5290].text 那他怎麼取得很簡單
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transcript.whisperx[5291].text 他透過控股公司
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transcript.whisperx[5292].text 直接把人家公司買下來
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transcript.whisperx[5293].text 那麼以後他的產線的生產
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transcript.whisperx[5294].text 就專攻美國軍用
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transcript.whisperx[5295].text 來供應他組裝使用
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transcript.whisperx[5296].text 美國是這樣做的
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transcript.whisperx[5297].text 那我們要如果要
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transcript.whisperx[5298].text 我們有沒有能力跟美國一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5299].text 去歐洲去東歐把那個
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transcript.whisperx[5300].text 光電球的工廠買下來
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transcript.whisperx[5301].text 人家之所以目前能夠做得好好的
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transcript.whisperx[5302].text 不是我們做不到
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transcript.whisperx[5303].text 是因為人家已經系統規模
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transcript.whisperx[5304].text 已經建立了所以他不需要
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transcript.whisperx[5305].text 他就可以有經濟效益
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transcript.whisperx[5306].text 那無人載具這個很重要的功能
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transcript.whisperx[5307].text 他是要有考慮到他的成本
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transcript.whisperx[5308].text 我沒有做到最好的成本很高
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transcript.whisperx[5309].text 那我就做比較便宜的
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transcript.whisperx[5310].text 品質不需要那麼高的
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transcript.whisperx[5311].text 這個不是高階低階
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transcript.whisperx[5312].text 這是事才事所
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transcript.whisperx[5313].text 我們要買的武器是這樣的
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transcript.whisperx[5314].text 所以當然看第四條我們行政院
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transcript.whisperx[5315].text 這邊寫的兵海監偵
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transcript.whisperx[5316].text 那既然是監偵重複使用
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transcript.whisperx[5317].text 他其實還要有高空的
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transcript.whisperx[5318].text 偵查能力要長時間的制空能力
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transcript.whisperx[5319].text 但是你的兵海攻擊
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transcript.whisperx[5320].text 他就是有去無回的
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transcript.whisperx[5321].text 所以這些內容都放在第四條
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transcript.whisperx[5322].text 但是我們看
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transcript.whisperx[5323].text 過來其實民眾黨的
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transcript.whisperx[5324].text 民眾黨版跟國民黨版的
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transcript.whisperx[5325].text 這裡面其實沒有講的這麼具體
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transcript.whisperx[5326].text 以國民黨版他的第三條
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transcript.whisperx[5327].text 他的定義
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transcript.whisperx[5328].text 他就沒有那麼具體的寫到
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transcript.whisperx[5329].text 他要買什麼
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transcript.whisperx[5330].text 他這裡面寫什麼
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transcript.whisperx[5331].text 就是把所有的無人載具的類型入門
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transcript.whisperx[5332].text 都教訓你了包括懸疑型定義型
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transcript.whisperx[5333].text 垂直起降型這大家都知道
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transcript.whisperx[5335].text 然後水面水下
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transcript.whisperx[5336].text 然後還有說徵收型後勤
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transcript.whisperx[5338].text 這些
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transcript.whisperx[5339].text 然後只要不需要人員承載
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transcript.whisperx[5340].text 於機體本體的這些都算數
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transcript.whisperx[5341].text 那請問你這麼
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transcript.whisperx[5342].text 你剛剛的把所有無人載具可用於作戰的
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transcript.whisperx[5343].text 都都含進去了那你有什麼漏掉的
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transcript.whisperx[5344].text 倒是王定宇版本的他講的很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[5345].text 他這裡面是比較簡略的提出來
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transcript.whisperx[5346].text 他包括飛行水面水下地面
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transcript.whisperx[5347].text 然後主管機關公告指定的
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transcript.whisperx[5348].text 那其他的
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transcript.whisperx[5349].text 包括什麼不包括
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transcript.whisperx[5350].text 太空發展法所定之
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transcript.whisperx[5351].text 發射載具與太空航車載具
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transcript.whisperx[5352].text 這就很清楚這個版本他清楚知道說
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transcript.whisperx[5354].text 我們講火箭有幾種
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transcript.whisperx[5355].text 陸軍打的火箭是要打一次有恤無悔的
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transcript.whisperx[5356].text 但是馬斯特的火箭是去了會回來的
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transcript.whisperx[5357].text 這當然不一樣等同而論
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transcript.whisperx[5358].text 所以人家的版本講的很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[5359].text 我的版本講的很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[5360].text 賴世保委員的A版
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transcript.whisperx[5361].text 他在把他放在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[5362].text 他放在他的第四條
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transcript.whisperx[5363].text 第四條裡面我仔細看了一下
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transcript.whisperx[5366].text 這叫MQ9B
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transcript.whisperx[5367].text 廣域海域或持續空域的監控跟反潛
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transcript.whisperx[5370].text 這到底是哪一種自他頂送不算
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transcript.whisperx[5376].text 他需要的是FPV啊
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transcript.whisperx[5377].text 他需要的是當對岸的萬挺齊發的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5378].text 我們要有能力把它摧毀
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transcript.whisperx[5379].text 把他監控摧毀啊
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transcript.whisperx[5380].text 就因為主席沒有提供一個
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transcript.whisperx[5381].text 我們的大提討論的時間
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transcript.whisperx[5382].text 所以我們這些版本完全
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transcript.whisperx[5383].text 條是沒辦法對應
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transcript.whisperx[5384].text 所指的沒有辦法對應
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transcript.whisperx[5385].text 至於民眾黨版的部分呢他這裡寫的是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[5386].text 他這裡寫本條例
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transcript.whisperx[5387].text 我現在講的都是我們本條的內容喔
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transcript.whisperx[5389].text 跟第三條並在一起審了
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transcript.whisperx[5390].text 他這裡就定義他定義什麼
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transcript.whisperx[5392].text 無人直升機無人多軒飛機
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transcript.whisperx[5393].text 其他的咧其他經交通部民用航空局公告者
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transcript.whisperx[5394].text 天啊
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transcript.whisperx[5395].text 我們國防要用的東西
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transcript.whisperx[5396].text 還要先請民航局去公告才算數啊
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transcript.whisperx[5397].text 那國防部是不是要買什麼先進武器的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5398].text 要先請民航局你公告一下
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transcript.whisperx[5399].text 不然的話我還不能買
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transcript.whisperx[5400].text 所以我們可以看得出這些內容
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transcript.whisperx[5401].text 充分顯現出各個版本
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transcript.whisperx[5402].text 尤其不同的立法宗旨
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transcript.whisperx[5403].text 所以呢他沒有辦法這樣的
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transcript.whisperx[5404].text 橫向的條式的整合
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transcript.whisperx[5405].text 這是擺明的事實
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transcript.whisperx[5406].text 本席苦口薄心跟主席建議
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transcript.whisperx[5407].text 既然連大提討論都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[5408].text 就馬上進入了名稱跟條式
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transcript.whisperx[5409].text 條式在整合的時候有的條式是剛好
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transcript.whisperx[5410].text 不同的版本他的前後不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5411].text 但是根本的目的不同
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transcript.whisperx[5412].text 有的條式賴委員A版的跟行政院版的
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transcript.whisperx[5413].text 差一些些
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transcript.whisperx[5414].text 差很多啦
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transcript.whisperx[5415].text 你確定你第二項前項所提的
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transcript.whisperx[5416].text 採購以美國或其他的
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transcript.whisperx[5417].text 為主一定要計數合作嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5418].text 搞不好在這些內容上有的是美國要計數
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transcript.whisperx[5419].text 移轉台灣的耶
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transcript.whisperx[5420].text 不是台灣要移轉計數美國的耶
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transcript.whisperx[5421].text 這一定把自己的本土產業矮化
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transcript.whisperx[5422].text 說我們買的東西一定要跟美國計數移轉才可以
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transcript.whisperx[5423].text 那如果我們比較強還要分享給他嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5425].text 大家口口聲聲說很重視
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transcript.whisperx[5426].text 口口聲聲說時間重要
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transcript.whisperx[5427].text 但是到底我們對這些條例不同版本當中
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transcript.whisperx[5428].text 各個內容有沒有去做個比較
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transcript.whisperx[5429].text 有沒有做個分類
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transcript.whisperx[5430].text 那委員主席要我們討論
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transcript.whisperx[5431].text 我們要怎麼討論
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transcript.whisperx[5432].text 所以單單是第三條現在就卡關了
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transcript.whisperx[5433].text 第三條第四條接下來各個版本分歧越來越大
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transcript.whisperx[5435].text 目的主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[5436].text 到後來的定義名詞定義
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transcript.whisperx[5437].text 到後來採購的範圍
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transcript.whisperx[5438].text 我們後面不知道怎麼審
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transcript.whisperx[5439].text 所以我只不但告訴提醒主席
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transcript.whisperx[5441].text 不然的話我們不曉得今天我們要
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transcript.whisperx[5443].text 如果今天各位委員說我們國防採購為優先
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transcript.whisperx[5444].text 那好那我們就把包括
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transcript.whisperx[5445].text 賴委員A板有特別預算的
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transcript.whisperx[5446].text 或者說包括甚至包括
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transcript.whisperx[5447].text 國民黨當中他用年度預算的
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transcript.whisperx[5448].text 他就有人喊採購我們把他拉進來
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transcript.whisperx[5449].text 看看他們要的這些採購
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transcript.whisperx[5450].text 是不是目前我們國防自主防衛
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transcript.whisperx[5451].text 所需要的還是賴委員A板說
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transcript.whisperx[5452].text 要贊月
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transcript.whisperx[5453].text 戰略無
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transcript.whisperx[5454].text 你要用國防戰略用國防自主我都可以接受
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transcript.whisperx[5456].text 來忽略了我們本土產業
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transcript.whisperx[5457].text 在這些無人載具產業當中
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transcript.whisperx[5458].text 某些品項我們是超越的
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transcript.whisperx[5459].text 我們是先進的我們先進不做技術高低
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transcript.whisperx[5460].text 是因為我們的CP值高
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transcript.whisperx[5461].text 我們CP值高所以呢
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transcript.whisperx[5462].text 人家要跟我們採購因為我們
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transcript.whisperx[5463].text 這誰說的這黃仁勳說的
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transcript.whisperx[5464].text 台灣秀歌導播難道就是低階嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5465].text 不是是我們的東西物美價廉
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transcript.whisperx[5466].text 物美價廉
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transcript.whisperx[5467].text 而不是什麼物廉價美
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transcript.whisperx[5468].text 這點我是建議主席再思考一下
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transcript.whisperx[5469].text 不然的話我們從第三條以後
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transcript.whisperx[5470].text 會開始卡關啦因為後面的條式
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transcript.whisperx[5471].text 都不一樣不知道怎麼審
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transcript.whisperx[5472].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[5473].text 謝謝主席就是說其實我們
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transcript.whisperx[5474].text 各團團
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transcript.whisperx[5475].text 其實大家都是希望說
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transcript.whisperx[5476].text 台灣能夠取得在無人機
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transcript.whisperx[5477].text 產業上面的關鍵的技術
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transcript.whisperx[5478].text 然後以及對於
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transcript.whisperx[5479].text 產業發展有利的
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transcript.whisperx[5480].text 這樣子的方向
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transcript.whisperx[5481].text 所以看來
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transcript.whisperx[5482].text 大家對於就是
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transcript.whisperx[5483].text 第三條第四條
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transcript.whisperx[5484].text 都有不同的意見
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transcript.whisperx[5485].text 那我們是不是只有保留
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transcript.whisperx[5486].text 因為這個東西其實
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transcript.whisperx[5487].text 即便是
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transcript.whisperx[5488].text 王委員或者是
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transcript.whisperx[5489].text 那是不是先保留
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transcript.whisperx[5490].text 全部都保留
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transcript.whisperx[5491].text 因為你剛才
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transcript.whisperx[5492].text 還支持王委員的版本
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transcript.whisperx[5493].text 那王委員的版本
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transcript.whisperx[5494].text 他的裡面主管區關是經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[5495].text 跟國防部
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transcript.whisperx[5496].text 所以跟我們不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5497].text 所以是不是
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transcript.whisperx[5498].text 我們就這樣子先保留
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transcript.whisperx[5499].text 來 讓十八委員
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transcript.whisperx[5500].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[5501].text 周偉一直對我低階高階
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transcript.whisperx[5502].text 很有意見喔
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transcript.whisperx[5503].text 如果大家覺得有意見
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transcript.whisperx[5504].text 我要強調喔 我絕對不會去小看
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transcript.whisperx[5506].text 特別是我們的零組件
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transcript.whisperx[5507].text 我們很強 大家都了解
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transcript.whisperx[5508].text 可是就整機整個的整合
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transcript.whisperx[5509].text 沒什麼平衡了 我們這一部分
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transcript.whisperx[5510].text 要離世界的標準還很遠啊
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transcript.whisperx[5511].text 還很遠啊
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transcript.whisperx[5512].text 這個東西你說
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transcript.whisperx[5513].text 這個零組件很強
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transcript.whisperx[5514].text 沒有錯 但是呢
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transcript.whisperx[5515].text 關鍵有一些零組件我們還是不行
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transcript.whisperx[5516].text 我們早就可以賣得更多了
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transcript.whisperx[5517].text 到目前為止我們一定
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transcript.whisperx[5518].text 國防部還賣得多
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transcript.whisperx[5519].text 一個月可以賣到
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transcript.whisperx[5520].text 超過一萬架 現在都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[5521].text 採購一萬架已經了不起了
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transcript.whisperx[5522].text 那現在來講 按照國防部
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transcript.whisperx[5524].text 不要忘了烏克蘭一個月就打掉二十一萬架
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transcript.whisperx[5525].text 烏克蘭一個月就打掉二十萬架
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transcript.whisperx[5526].text 所以距離量產
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transcript.whisperx[5527].text 沒有量產 你要談什麼
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transcript.whisperx[5528].text 護國生產 那才
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transcript.whisperx[5529].text 很遠很遠喔 所以
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transcript.whisperx[5530].text 這裡面來講的話 這裡
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transcript.whisperx[5531].text 別忘了喔
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transcript.whisperx[5532].text 這個請
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transcript.whisperx[5533].text 周圍你喜歡看我的版本請你看清楚
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transcript.whisperx[5534].text 前第二項
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transcript.whisperx[5535].text 第三條的第二項
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transcript.whisperx[5536].text 前項採購美國或其他國家
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transcript.whisperx[5537].text 所以你有什麼東歐啊
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transcript.whisperx[5538].text 什麼的 通通包括在這裡面
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transcript.whisperx[5539].text 包括烏克蘭 通通包括
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transcript.whisperx[5540].text 通通包括在這裡面喔
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transcript.whisperx[5541].text 那另外一個版的是
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transcript.whisperx[5542].text 把它定義 我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[5543].text 既然這麼又花錢
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transcript.whisperx[5544].text 老實講這一部分老實講
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transcript.whisperx[5545].text 我是很看
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transcript.whisperx[5546].text 來講的話 我是肯定
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transcript.whisperx[5547].text 民眾黨所提出來的
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transcript.whisperx[5548].text 民眾黨提出來給的感覺是沒有上限的
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transcript.whisperx[5549].text 有需要的可以發展
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transcript.whisperx[5550].text 我都支持他們的
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transcript.whisperx[5551].text 老實講這個錢更多
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transcript.whisperx[5552].text 這個來講兩千多一個人不夠喔
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transcript.whisperx[5554].text 這個整個的一個
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transcript.whisperx[5555].text 無人機的產業鏈
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transcript.whisperx[5556].text 包括它的整廠
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transcript.whisperx[5557].text 我們就都很清楚了 整廠
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transcript.whisperx[5558].text 老實講這個能夠做整廠
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transcript.whisperx[5559].text 沒有幾家啦 別騙人啦
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transcript.whisperx[5560].text 沒有幾家啦 數的可以數的
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transcript.whisperx[5561].text 數的出來啦 這個
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transcript.whisperx[5562].text 數的數的數的出來
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transcript.whisperx[5563].text 距離說要變成
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transcript.whisperx[5564].text 富國生產要炸咧 所以這一部分
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transcript.whisperx[5565].text 我覺得民眾黨提了這個錢
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transcript.whisperx[5566].text 多會好 但是呢
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transcript.whisperx[5567].text 我們要審查
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transcript.whisperx[5568].text 我們要看清楚喔
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transcript.whisperx[5569].text 每年度來編
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transcript.whisperx[5570].text 每年度來審
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transcript.whisperx[5571].text 一直下去喔
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transcript.whisperx[5572].text 兩千一不夠兩千四
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transcript.whisperx[5573].text 兩千四不夠兩千五 三千都可以啊
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transcript.whisperx[5575].text 台灣變成一個
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transcript.whisperx[5576].text 無人機產業
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transcript.whisperx[5577].text 相關的 包括
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transcript.whisperx[5578].text 領主建 關鍵的領主建
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transcript.whisperx[5579].text 老實講我們都很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[5580].text 我們有一些關鍵的領主建
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transcript.whisperx[5581].text 台灣還是沒有辦法來做
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transcript.whisperx[5582].text 更何況整齊的整合
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transcript.whisperx[5583].text 來說的話 這樣的廠商
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transcript.whisperx[5584].text 其實是非常少的啦
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transcript.whisperx[5585].text 所以我
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transcript.whisperx[5586].text 我同意憲法委員講的
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transcript.whisperx[5587].text 這一部分大家從長記憶啦
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transcript.whisperx[5588].text 第三條 第四條
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transcript.whisperx[5589].text 第三條 第四條大家都一起看了啦
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transcript.whisperx[5590].text 就是不是我們就保留
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transcript.whisperx[5591].text 第三第四條
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transcript.whisperx[5592].text 一起看啦 要一起看啦
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transcript.whisperx[5593].text 第三因為
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transcript.whisperx[5594].text 不是你說沒沒沒
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transcript.whisperx[5595].text 現在我們帶出第三條請主席
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transcript.whisperx[5596].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[5597].text 來請主席
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transcript.whisperx[5598].text 一個鐘頭請我們說說第三條
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transcript.whisperx[5599].text 那我講第三條可以嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5600].text 那我講第三條嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5601].text 先不要了啦
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transcript.whisperx[5602].text 先讓我講嘛 好不好
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transcript.whisperx[5603].text 對 個人發言
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transcript.whisperx[5604].text 哇 你這個啊
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transcript.whisperx[5605].text 我全部都看過這樣子的結構好不好
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transcript.whisperx[5606].text 因為各個黨團
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transcript.whisperx[5607].text 跟行政院等等
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transcript.whisperx[5608].text 甚至包括各委員的版本
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transcript.whisperx[5609].text 其實分下來的話就是
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transcript.whisperx[5610].text 行政院版 國民黨團
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transcript.whisperx[5611].text 台灣民眾黨黨團
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transcript.whisperx[5612].text 賴氏堡委員
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transcript.whisperx[5613].text 當然後面還有鍾嘉斌跟汪天月
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transcript.whisperx[5614].text 那基本上來講的話呢
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transcript.whisperx[5615].text 一開始的有些的目的就不同
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transcript.whisperx[5616].text 像我們跟國民黨團
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transcript.whisperx[5617].text 同樣的立場
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transcript.whisperx[5618].text 就是放在一般的預算
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transcript.whisperx[5619].text 然後你的產業發展要支持國防自主
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transcript.whisperx[5620].text 那行政院版
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transcript.whisperx[5621].text 當然你就是要特別調理
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transcript.whisperx[5622].text Focus在這個採購
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transcript.whisperx[5623].text 那當然你從這個立法的精神
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transcript.whisperx[5624].text 你有特別調理
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transcript.whisperx[5625].text 當然就會有預算嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5626].text 就會有採購項目嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5627].text 那是因為你從行政院的角度來看
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transcript.whisperx[5628].text 那我們如果從產業發展自主
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transcript.whisperx[5629].text 去支持國防自主的一個方式
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transcript.whisperx[5630].text 我們就會從研發
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transcript.whisperx[5631].text 國防部就是開需求規格
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transcript.whisperx[5632].text 那這個東西你放在年度預算的話
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transcript.whisperx[5633].text 基本上本來就是按照你的需求
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transcript.whisperx[5634].text 所以這整個法條寫下來
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transcript.whisperx[5635].text 本來也就不用去challenge別人
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transcript.whisperx[5636].text 你就是講你自己的理念
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transcript.whisperx[5637].text 那這本來今天
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transcript.whisperx[5638].text 就會今天本來
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transcript.whisperx[5639].text 就會合個言而治
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transcript.whisperx[5640].text 那基本上條目
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transcript.whisperx[5641].text 就會不同
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transcript.whisperx[5642].text 因為我們也不是在說所有的東西都一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5643].text 但是你如果到後面
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transcript.whisperx[5644].text 包含像你的這些的
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transcript.whisperx[5645].text 是非的一個場域
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transcript.whisperx[5646].text 或者是非農工業鏈國產化比例
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transcript.whisperx[5647].text 很多等等
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transcript.whisperx[5648].text 基本上
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transcript.whisperx[5649].text 大概就差不多
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transcript.whisperx[5650].text 甚至你們的產創條例
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transcript.whisperx[5651].text 升級投資等等
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transcript.whisperx[5652].text 所以如果你把這些東西列進來
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transcript.whisperx[5653].text 一定就是前面到這邊就會不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5654].text 但你後面很多東西就會相同
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transcript.whisperx[5655].text 所以我講說我們前面就是在分歧的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5656].text 本來就是各家各個黨團
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transcript.whisperx[5657].text 各個有自己堅持的做法
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transcript.whisperx[5658].text 講完
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transcript.whisperx[5659].text 那就是我們有聽懂也理解
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transcript.whisperx[5660].text 就這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[5661].text 你要說要有個共識
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transcript.whisperx[5662].text 就很滿
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transcript.whisperx[5663].text 很悲觀啦主席應該要樂觀正面能量啦
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transcript.whisperx[5664].text 我很正面啊
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transcript.whisperx[5665].text 如果說立法院說的法案
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transcript.whisperx[5666].text 這樣黨團有不同的版本就沒有辦法討論出一個共識
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transcript.whisperx[5667].text 那就不叫做立法院了
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transcript.whisperx[5668].text 我們都在尋求共識當中
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transcript.whisperx[5669].text 主席要加油要正向正能量
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transcript.whisperx[5670].text 我來講你的版本
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transcript.whisperx[5671].text 你說這不是challenge
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transcript.whisperx[5672].text 這是提出版本當中的差異
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transcript.whisperx[5673].text 造成我們審查上的取捨
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transcript.whisperx[5674].text 先談你的
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transcript.whisperx[5675].text 剛剛賴斯巴爾委員口口聲聲說
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transcript.whisperx[5676].text 我們是要買整機的
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transcript.whisperx[5677].text 要買先進的要買戰略的
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transcript.whisperx[5678].text 貴黨團的版本是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[5679].text 你看我們在看第三條
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transcript.whisperx[5680].text 像你們的名詞定義的第二條
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transcript.whisperx[5681].text 除了第一項
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transcript.whisperx[5682].text 是要經交通部民航局
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transcript.whisperx[5683].text 民用航空局公告之外
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transcript.whisperx[5684].text 你這裡所說的無人機產業
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transcript.whisperx[5685].text 因為
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transcript.whisperx[5686].text 民眾黨團的版本是在談產業
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transcript.whisperx[5687].text 賴斯巴爾委員A板是要買採購
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transcript.whisperx[5688].text 他採購要採購先進的
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transcript.whisperx[5689].text 但是要戰略的
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transcript.whisperx[5690].text 但是你們談的無人機產業包括什麼
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transcript.whisperx[5691].text 全機系統整合一個
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transcript.whisperx[5692].text 飛行載具模組飛行模組一個
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transcript.whisperx[5693].text 動力模組一個
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transcript.whisperx[5694].text 籌載模組一個
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transcript.whisperx[5695].text 看要放炸彈還是要放偵測
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transcript.whisperx[5696].text 通訊模組一個
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transcript.whisperx[5697].text 地面導控一個
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transcript.whisperx[5698].text 飛控模組一個
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transcript.whisperx[5699].text 還要有相對應的產業
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transcript.whisperx[5700].text 這些是模組啊
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transcript.whisperx[5701].text 這些台灣有沒有人能生產
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transcript.whisperx[5702].text 有有的台灣可能生產
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transcript.whisperx[5703].text 不是整機啊糟糕了
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transcript.whisperx[5704].text 現在賴斯巴爾委員A板跟你的不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5705].text 他講的是整機
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transcript.whisperx[5706].text 你講的是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[5707].text 產業當中的全系統跟次系統
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transcript.whisperx[5708].text 明明就是不一樣的目的
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transcript.whisperx[5709].text 一個談的產業發展要談到次系統
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transcript.whisperx[5710].text 那我們再來看一下國民黨的版本
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transcript.whisperx[5711].text 國民黨版本在第一條
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transcript.whisperx[5712].text 第三條第一項的第二款
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transcript.whisperx[5713].text 他這裡面還特別告訴你
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transcript.whisperx[5714].text 軍用商規是以商用規格為基礎
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transcript.whisperx[5715].text 依軍事需求進行適應性改良
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transcript.whisperx[5716].text 並符合一定抗干擾
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transcript.whisperx[5717].text 抗電池脈衝及戰場存活率標準植物輪載具
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transcript.whisperx[5718].text 天啊這個
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transcript.whisperx[5719].text 講的都對啦
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transcript.whisperx[5720].text 但是這是我們有指出任何東西嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5721].text 現在在軍用的載具上
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transcript.whisperx[5722].text 這些內容都是基本款
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transcript.whisperx[5723].text 要抗干擾要跳屏
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transcript.whisperx[5724].text 要抗電池脈衝不然就被人家暖殺
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transcript.whisperx[5725].text 要有戰場存活率標準
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transcript.whisperx[5726].text 而且戰場存活率標準又不一樣啊
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transcript.whisperx[5727].text 自殺型的要什麼存活率標準
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transcript.whisperx[5728].text 自殺型的要對方同歸於盡
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transcript.whisperx[5729].text 還有什麼存活率標準
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transcript.whisperx[5730].text 但是地面載具要去把商兵從戰場
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transcript.whisperx[5731].text 拖回來的地面無人車
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transcript.whisperx[5732].text 那是要有存活率標準啊
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transcript.whisperx[5733].text 為什麼你派一輛車去把商兵接回來
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transcript.whisperx[5734].text 這要有存活率標準啊
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transcript.whisperx[5735].text 這些條例看起來言之有理
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transcript.whisperx[5736].text 但是看不出他的立法的目標
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transcript.whisperx[5737].text 然後呢我們再來看一下
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transcript.whisperx[5738].text 剛剛有講到
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transcript.whisperx[5739].text 第三條第四條賴委員說
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transcript.whisperx[5740].text 何必來看
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transcript.whisperx[5741].text 我們來看一看他的第四條
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transcript.whisperx[5742].text 他的第二項
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transcript.whisperx[5743].text 他說前項各款所需之指揮管制與情間增整合
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transcript.whisperx[5744].text 系統衛星系統鏈資料鏈地面管制站及感測籌載得一併納入採購範疇
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transcript.whisperx[5745].text 夭壽啊
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transcript.whisperx[5746].text 這個就是美國最先進的
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transcript.whisperx[5747].text 這美國最先進的美國的死神就是這個啊
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transcript.whisperx[5748].text 那請問現在你跟美國買死神
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transcript.whisperx[5749].text 你說根據我的條例的第三條
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transcript.whisperx[5750].text 每一採購案都要附加技術移轉嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5751].text 都要有能夠工業合作條件嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5752].text 連以色列都不一定做得到啊
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transcript.whisperx[5753].text MQ那邊目前有授權給以色列或烏干生產嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5754].text 愛國者非但愛三行有啊
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transcript.whisperx[5755].text 愛三行現在要爭取到美國
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transcript.whisperx[5756].text 讓他在烏克蘭生產愛三行啊
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transcript.whisperx[5757].text 但是你MQ那邊
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transcript.whisperx[5758].text 死神有嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5759].text 連美國這個都不願意釋出來啊
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transcript.whisperx[5760].text 他掌握這些東西啊
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transcript.whisperx[5761].text 結果你的第三條這樣寫第四條這樣寫
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transcript.whisperx[5762].text 對啊啊以後我們只要跟美國買死神
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transcript.whisperx[5763].text 先跟美國說
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transcript.whisperx[5764].text 你那個東西全部的電子系統
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transcript.whisperx[5765].text 你要給我技術移轉喔
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transcript.whisperx[5766].text 不然我就不能買啊
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transcript.whisperx[5767].text 那有沒有寫這個條文
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transcript.whisperx[5768].text 沒寫這個條文我們下次買啦
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transcript.whisperx[5769].text 現在買了啊
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transcript.whisperx[5770].text 沒有這個條文也買啦
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transcript.whisperx[5771].text 那你寫這個條文目的是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[5772].text 沒有這個條文我們都已經買了嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5773].text 美國也賣了嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5774].text 那所以我看啊如果第四條第四三條
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transcript.whisperx[5775].text 合併在一起看不知道了
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transcript.whisperx[5776].text 還以為說喔這個很重要
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transcript.whisperx[5777].text 要幫助我們自主發展錯
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transcript.whisperx[5778].text 這第三條第四條合在一起看
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transcript.whisperx[5779].text 以後我們不能跟美國買死神了啊
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transcript.whisperx[5780].text 為什麼因為第三條第四條在一起
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transcript.whisperx[5781].text 美國只要不肯移轉你死神的技術
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transcript.whisperx[5782].text 你就不能跟他買
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transcript.whisperx[5783].text 所以這不是我覺得不同的版本背後的思維
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transcript.whisperx[5785].text 有其他檯面下的目的
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transcript.whisperx[5786].text 我們不希望一個國防採購
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transcript.whisperx[5787].text 國防自主
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transcript.whisperx[5788].text 變成是給我們的國防採購穿小鞋
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transcript.whisperx[5789].text 幫我們的本土發展
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transcript.whisperx[5790].text 帶金箍咒
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transcript.whisperx[5791].text 讓他們穿緊身衣不能好好的發展
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transcript.whisperx[5792].text 所以還是奉勸主席你現在說第三條
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transcript.whisperx[5793].text 我就講第三條
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transcript.whisperx[5794].text 有人說第四條一起看
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transcript.whisperx[5795].text 那版本的差異目的不同
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transcript.whisperx[5797].text 難怪你一開始就很灰心
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transcript.whisperx[5798].text 不可能整合嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5799].text 因為你沒有分類當然沒有辦法整合嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5801].text 這樣算完成審查嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5802].text 到了議員會怎麼處理
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transcript.whisperx[5803].text 我們委員會的目的就是承願會之命
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transcript.whisperx[5804].text 能夠幫大院
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transcript.whisperx[5805].text 幫院會做比較細緻的審查
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transcript.whisperx[5806].text 所以我馬上讓給謝醫生委員
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transcript.whisperx[5807].text 所以我還是希望說我們今天
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transcript.whisperx[5808].text 好好的審查把這些問題都指出來
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transcript.whisperx[5809].text 就算是最後主席要保留出委員會
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transcript.whisperx[5810].text 都要讓這些爭點
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transcript.whisperx[5811].text 不同的版本的差異
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transcript.whisperx[5812].text 讓我們的社會大眾
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transcript.whisperx[5813].text 讓所有關心無人宅具產業的業者
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transcript.whisperx[5814].text 跟未來我們前線的作戰的官兵
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transcript.whisperx[5815].text 他們知道他們迫切需要的
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transcript.whisperx[5816].text 武器裝備在立法院
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transcript.whisperx[5817].text 到底委員們知不知道他們的需求
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transcript.whisperx[5818].text 謝醫生委員
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transcript.whisperx[5819].text 好 第三條
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transcript.whisperx[5820].text 好 現在是水稀號
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transcript.whisperx[5821].text 我雖然比較晚到
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transcript.whisperx[5822].text 不過我看那個
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transcript.whisperx[5823].text 從第二條開始這路就走不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5824].text 第二條
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transcript.whisperx[5825].text 從前面就不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5826].text 但是從國防部那邊
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transcript.whisperx[5827].text 其實還是可以有整合的地方
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transcript.whisperx[5828].text 那如果說主席今天只是想說
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transcript.whisperx[5829].text 念完然後就過去
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transcript.whisperx[5830].text 那當然這也是一種方式
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transcript.whisperx[5831].text 但是如果從第二條來看
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transcript.whisperx[5832].text 這個主管機關是國防部
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transcript.whisperx[5833].text 那大概就是院版
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transcript.whisperx[5834].text 跟我們許多民進黨的這個委員
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transcript.whisperx[5835].text 提出來的版本都一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5836].text 那接下來但是
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transcript.whisperx[5837].text 賴思保的他的提案也是
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transcript.whisperx[5838].text 他第二條他這個515變號後面
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transcript.whisperx[5839].text 這個主管機關是國防部
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transcript.whisperx[5840].text 所以我是認為
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transcript.whisperx[5841].text 真的是要有一個共識
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transcript.whisperx[5842].text 不是合個言耳制的話
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transcript.whisperx[5843].text 老實講就是
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transcript.whisperx[5844].text 行政院版的版本比如說跟我的版本
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transcript.whisperx[5845].text 還有我們民進黨許多委員的版本
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transcript.whisperx[5846].text 就是就特別條例的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5847].text 來這個
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transcript.whisperx[5848].text 好好來說一下因為至少是
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transcript.whisperx[5849].text 特別條例然後也是用
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transcript.whisperx[5850].text 這個國防部是當主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[5851].text 我覺得如果從這個脈絡來講的話
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transcript.whisperx[5852].text 大家比較好談
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transcript.whisperx[5853].text 那其他像你們這個民眾黨
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transcript.whisperx[5854].text 的版本國民黨的版本
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transcript.whisperx[5855].text 主管機關就是經濟部了
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transcript.whisperx[5856].text 而且我看是去軍事化就是以民用為主
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transcript.whisperx[5857].text 那就是另外一個系統了
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transcript.whisperx[5858].text 那基本上就是兩套系統
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transcript.whisperx[5859].text 那兩套系統
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transcript.whisperx[5860].text 基本上你要整合當然就不能整合嘛
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transcript.whisperx[5861].text 那所以你如果是
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transcript.whisperx[5862].text 按照這種方式不能整合
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transcript.whisperx[5863].text 那就是送保留
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transcript.whisperx[5864].text 那當然也可以
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transcript.whisperx[5865].text 因為你是主席你要這樣做你想要這樣子處理
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transcript.whisperx[5866].text 也是可以但是如果是真的想要
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transcript.whisperx[5867].text 來解決這個事情
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transcript.whisperx[5868].text 那我認為啦因為
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transcript.whisperx[5869].text 其實這個期錄還沒有走得很遠
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transcript.whisperx[5870].text 這個我們的院板
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transcript.whisperx[5871].text 像我的版本跟賴世保的
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transcript.whisperx[5872].text 主管機關是國防部
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transcript.whisperx[5873].text 是用特別條例的我們就這條路
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transcript.whisperx[5874].text 就來走一次
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transcript.whisperx[5875].text 然後其他的這個其他
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transcript.whisperx[5876].text 版本是經濟部的發展民用的
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transcript.whisperx[5877].text 這個還要這個
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transcript.whisperx[5878].text 這個這個這個其他的入境的
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transcript.whisperx[5879].text 那其他的那再來
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transcript.whisperx[5880].text 再來做這一個這個說明
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transcript.whisperx[5881].text 我覺得這樣子才不會
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transcript.whisperx[5882].text 就是說你因為你弄在一起
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transcript.whisperx[5883].text 你根本沒辦法去解釋沒辦法去解決
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transcript.whisperx[5884].text 但是如果把它分開了
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transcript.whisperx[5885].text 國防部主導的特別條例的我們好好來討論
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transcript.whisperx[5886].text 我覺得會有共識的
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transcript.whisperx[5887].text 真的會有共識出來
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transcript.whisperx[5888].text 然後經濟部的呢這個以經濟部為主導的
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transcript.whisperx[5889].text 版本呢好好來討論
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transcript.whisperx[5890].text 我覺得也會有共識出來
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transcript.whisperx[5891].text 但是你如果硬要把它弄在一起
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transcript.whisperx[5892].text 這就是這個什麼我今天有聽到一句話
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transcript.whisperx[5893].text 就是藍草就是把它
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transcript.whisperx[5894].text 同
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transcript.whisperx[5895].text 同歸於盡
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transcript.whisperx[5896].text 什麼事情就沒辦法處理
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transcript.whisperx[5897].text 所以我是建議喔
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transcript.whisperx[5898].text 是不是我們就這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[5899].text 國防部為主的特別條例的
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transcript.whisperx[5900].text 好好來討論一次
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transcript.whisperx[5901].text 然後呢這個
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transcript.whisperx[5902].text 經濟部的民用為主的
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transcript.whisperx[5903].text 然後好好來討論這樣子比較會
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transcript.whisperx[5904].text 聚焦啦會有這個
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transcript.whisperx[5905].text 交疊共識產生出來謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[5906].text 好謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[5907].text 因為我們之前已經就這個已經
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transcript.whisperx[5908].text 我剛剛也說明的很清楚了就是
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transcript.whisperx[5909].text 結構上就是長這個樣子
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transcript.whisperx[5910].text 那我也知道要怎樣
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transcript.whisperx[5911].text 結構上就是不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5912].text 所以你不能把結構不一樣的東西把它合在一起
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transcript.whisperx[5913].text 除非你是故意讓它談不成
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transcript.whisperx[5914].text 我沒有故意讓它談不成
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transcript.whisperx[5915].text 這樣就是充分討論
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transcript.whisperx[5916].text 那就是說大家一定
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transcript.whisperx[5917].text 有自己的堅持跟力量
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transcript.whisperx[5918].text 我的意思是說相近的
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transcript.whisperx[5919].text 脈絡相同的去討論
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transcript.whisperx[5920].text 比較會有結果
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transcript.whisperx[5921].text 就是我剛才講的嘛以國防部為主的
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transcript.whisperx[5922].text 是一個脈絡
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transcript.whisperx[5923].text 那以這個經濟為主就是一個脈絡
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transcript.whisperx[5924].text 兩個分開來談我覺得比較會產生共識
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transcript.whisperx[5925].text 啊你如果要合在一起談
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transcript.whisperx[5926].text 就真的不會有共識啦
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transcript.whisperx[5927].text 好啦謝謝方偉
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transcript.whisperx[5928].text 可能剛才那個
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transcript.whisperx[5929].text 李委員還沒來喔
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transcript.whisperx[5930].text 那因為我們剛才討論到就是
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transcript.whisperx[5931].text 剛才賴世保委員建議他兩個版本要合併
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transcript.whisperx[5932].text 如果要支持賴委員版本
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transcript.whisperx[5933].text 他兩個版本要合併
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transcript.whisperx[5934].text 他就是以經濟為主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[5935].text 然後設就是各部會的
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transcript.whisperx[5936].text 專章這樣子的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5937].text 那所以不曉得
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transcript.whisperx[5938].text 是不是就是說
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transcript.whisperx[5939].text 其他委員有同意
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transcript.whisperx[5940].text 這樣子的方式
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transcript.whisperx[5941].text 如果沒有同意我們就必須要往下走
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transcript.whisperx[5942].text 我們就是保留往下走
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transcript.whisperx[5943].text 因為基本上來講
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transcript.whisperx[5944].text 基本上我們在送出的人
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transcript.whisperx[5945].text 會做這個黨團的第一次協商的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5946].text 基本上我相信
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transcript.whisperx[5947].text 大家經過今天的充分討論
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transcript.whisperx[5948].text 就會去compromise
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transcript.whisperx[5949].text 一些的版本出來好不好
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transcript.whisperx[5950].text 這兩句到第四條
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transcript.whisperx[5951].text 有些人還是可以compromise
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transcript.whisperx[5952].text 賴世保委員
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transcript.whisperx[5953].text 請前面機關第四條
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transcript.whisperx[5954].text 好 跟大會報告
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transcript.whisperx[5955].text 那協商的版本就是針對
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transcript.whisperx[5956].text 國防部的
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transcript.whisperx[5957].text 國防自主需求
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transcript.whisperx[5958].text 要採購無人機的這個項目
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transcript.whisperx[5959].text 無人機跟自殺無人艇的項目
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transcript.whisperx[5960].text 那其他委員的版本
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transcript.whisperx[5961].text 包括像國民黨
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transcript.whisperx[5962].text 黨團的這個提案的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5963].text 有提到說測試場域跟
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transcript.whisperx[5964].text 產業聚落的這個相關的一些
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transcript.whisperx[5965].text 條文的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5966].text 這個部分我想我們已經也納入到
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transcript.whisperx[5967].text 統籌型計畫
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transcript.whisperx[5968].text 那也有提到說對中小企業
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transcript.whisperx[5969].text 要特別扶持的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5970].text 我想這個在中小企業發展條例裡面
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transcript.whisperx[5974].text 系統整合、維修、工程
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transcript.whisperx[5975].text 還有訓練的這些事項
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transcript.whisperx[5976].text 那這個部分是在行政版本第三條
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transcript.whisperx[5977].text 所訂的這個主要裝備系統
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transcript.whisperx[5978].text 以及
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transcript.whisperx[5979].text 其的
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transcript.whisperx[5980].text 其支援系統的這個採購範圍
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transcript.whisperx[5982].text 已經有明定優先採購的這個項目
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transcript.whisperx[5986].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[5987].text 安安國防部
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transcript.whisperx[5990].text 我想第一個我想先說明
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transcript.whisperx[5991].text 無人機如果單就無人機來講的話
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transcript.whisperx[5993].text 有各種不同類型的無人機
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transcript.whisperx[5994].text 我想我們這一次的採購的第四條
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transcript.whisperx[5997].text 那在臺海黃灰作戰
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transcript.whisperx[5998].text 是有很重要的這個需求
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transcript.whisperx[6000].text 我想是屬於另外
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transcript.whisperx[6003].text 本身都有他的相關的
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transcript.whisperx[6005].text 那沒有什麼分成高階或低階的
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transcript.whisperx[6009].text 都可以發揮
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transcript.whisperx[6011].text 只要我們的運用得當的話
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transcript.whisperx[6012].text 這是第一點第二點
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transcript.whisperx[6014].text 在訂定的時候都必須要有他的意義
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transcript.whisperx[6016].text 目的的意義是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[6019].text 大概就分成國防採購跟產業發展
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transcript.whisperx[6021].text 也已經說過了
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transcript.whisperx[6041].text 條例是分開的那現在要把這個
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transcript.whisperx[6125].text 小型的自殺無人體
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transcript.whisperx[6126].text 我們都要有這個能力來進行
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transcript.whisperx[6127].text 這個是我們現在
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transcript.whisperx[6128].text 要達到我們最後在暫時的
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transcript.whisperx[6130].text 我們希望能夠達到的
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transcript.whisperx[6131].text 那這一個部分如果說大家都
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transcript.whisperx[6132].text 一直只是在那一個條文裡面
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transcript.whisperx[6133].text 去講說我們要去發展無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[6134].text 我們要去如何如何
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transcript.whisperx[6135].text 我們對這件事情從來沒有排斥
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transcript.whisperx[6136].text 那麼國防部就是要採購到
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transcript.whisperx[6137].text 我們的
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transcript.whisperx[6139].text 那在這一點如果說沒有
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transcript.whisperx[6140].text 通過這一點那麼你們就通過
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transcript.whisperx[6141].text 其他的這些相關的
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transcript.whisperx[6142].text 產業發展的事項
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transcript.whisperx[6143].text 那
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transcript.whisperx[6144].text 就沒有辦法符合
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transcript.whisperx[6146].text 的一個基本的宗旨嘛
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transcript.whisperx[6147].text 在這一點上面達到我們
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transcript.whisperx[6148].text 國防自主採購這一個
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transcript.whisperx[6149].text 相關符合我們現在認為在
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transcript.whisperx[6150].text 茶海黃衛作戰相當重要的這些
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transcript.whisperx[6152].text 是非常重要還是請委員
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transcript.whisperx[6153].text 支持
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transcript.whisperx[6154].text 那個那個院長可以請回
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transcript.whisperx[6155].text 沒有
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transcript.whisperx[6156].text 我沒有質詢的意思喔
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transcript.whisperx[6157].text 今天不是質詢今天是我們法案討論
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transcript.whisperx[6158].text 但是就你提到的第一個
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transcript.whisperx[6159].text 滴海堅
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transcript.whisperx[6164].text 這三項給國內都有產生可以做嗎
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transcript.whisperx[6165].text 公開彰評
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transcript.whisperx[6166].text 無人體部分你要不要先講一下
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transcript.whisperx[6167].text 我所知道無人體沒有辦法有人做了
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transcript.whisperx[6168].text 有嗎
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transcript.whisperx[6169].text 都有
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transcript.whisperx[6170].text 幾家大概幾家
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transcript.whisperx[6171].text 我想我不需要特別在這邊做
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transcript.whisperx[6172].text 沒有因為我
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transcript.whisperx[6173].text 我查了資料老方天
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transcript.whisperx[6174].text 關於這一批能夠做的就算
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transcript.whisperx[6175].text 不夠薑
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transcript.whisperx[6176].text 差不多差不多五家左右到十家
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transcript.whisperx[6177].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[6178].text 然後我們也都清楚剛才一直有人在指教
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transcript.whisperx[6179].text 你隨便隨便Google一下
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transcript.whisperx[6180].text 都知道
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transcript.whisperx[6181].text Google一下都知道
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transcript.whisperx[6182].text 台灣還是很多無人機的關鍵
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transcript.whisperx[6183].text 零主機沒辦法做的
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transcript.whisperx[6184].text 比如說你抗鋼纜的部分
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transcript.whisperx[6190].text 台灣還是
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transcript.whisperx[6191].text 發發Behind
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transcript.whisperx[6192].text 所以我們先來講
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transcript.whisperx[6193].text 我知道國民黨團跟民眾黨團
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transcript.whisperx[6194].text 他們要的是
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transcript.whisperx[6195].text 整個來講的
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transcript.whisperx[6198].text 當然就跟部長剛點出來了
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transcript.whisperx[6199].text 這不是你要的你要的就是這幾個
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transcript.whisperx[6200].text 吶
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transcript.whisperx[6203].text 找不出問題是
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transcript.whisperx[6204].text 世界標
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transcript.whisperx[6212].text 那一家沒有跟政府拿過一塊錢
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transcript.whisperx[6214].text 整個流程我都看了
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transcript.whisperx[6215].text 明白的民間的聲音就告訴我
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transcript.whisperx[6217].text 就是真的能夠做整齊整合的
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transcript.whisperx[6218].text 這是整齊交給你的
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transcript.whisperx[6223].text 我們的通訊很棒ICP很棒
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transcript.whisperx[6224].text 可是就這一塊來講
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transcript.whisperx[6226].text 除此的話
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transcript.whisperx[6227].text 我們的產量不應該說
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transcript.whisperx[6228].text 這麼現在目前來講一點點
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transcript.whisperx[6231].text 這個都事實
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transcript.whisperx[6232].text 這是經濟部的數字
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transcript.whisperx[6236].text 如果真的那麼強
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transcript.whisperx[6238].text 也不要這個2000多億根本不需要
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transcript.whisperx[6240].text 因為快到休息時間
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transcript.whisperx[6241].text 我先讓
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transcript.whisperx[6242].text 您需要回答嗎
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transcript.whisperx[6243].text 你們如果不發言我就可以休息
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transcript.whisperx[6247].text 我們現在要購買的這個
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transcript.whisperx[6248].text 12型的無人機
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transcript.whisperx[6250].text 我們都已經有做過調查
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transcript.whisperx[6251].text 這是一點
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transcript.whisperx[6255].text 你的通訊模組
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transcript.whisperx[6258].text 所要關注的
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transcript.whisperx[6260].text 這樣的迭代創新
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transcript.whisperx[6261].text 無人艇也是如此
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transcript.whisperx[6262].text 所以我希望就是說
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transcript.whisperx[6263].text 我們扶植國內的這個產業
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transcript.whisperx[6264].text 透過我們國防部作為最大的
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transcript.whisperx[6265].text 需求單位
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transcript.whisperx[6266].text 製造一個長單的效應是我們現在努力的方向
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transcript.whisperx[6267].text 沒有辦法
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transcript.whisperx[6268].text 我現在補通一下
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transcript.whisperx[6269].text 剛才有人指教了
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transcript.whisperx[6270].text 說這個死神
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transcript.whisperx[6271].text 其他醫生都買不到這個技術給他
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transcript.whisperx[6272].text 為什麼要不到
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transcript.whisperx[6273].text 台美關係不是特別好嗎
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transcript.whisperx[6274].text 怎麼對這個都自己一點信心都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[6275].text 美國買不到
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transcript.whisperx[6276].text 說給我技術輿轉
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transcript.whisperx[6277].text 其他國家也可以啊
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transcript.whisperx[6278].text 所以我的條文裡面有其他國家啊
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transcript.whisperx[6279].text 為什麼我把牌組呢
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transcript.whisperx[6280].text 報告您提的這些有關MQ-9B
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transcript.whisperx[6281].text 或者是這個
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transcript.whisperx[6282].text RQ-4的這些
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transcript.whisperx[6283].text 應該RQ-4
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transcript.whisperx[6284].text MQ-9
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transcript.whisperx[6285].text 對我們改MQ-9
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transcript.whisperx[6286].text 還有其他的各種常識功
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transcript.whisperx[6287].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[6288].text 那
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transcript.whisperx[6289].text 比較高高空的這些我們講的這些大型的中大型的這些無人機
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transcript.whisperx[6290].text 我想這些部分
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transcript.whisperx[6291].text 不是在我們這一次採購的這個項目的範圍之內
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transcript.whisperx[6292].text 而比較像是賴委員所您所提出的這些
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transcript.whisperx[6293].text 這些採購的項目裡面
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transcript.whisperx[6294].text 所以兩個的這個
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transcript.whisperx[6295].text 中指本來就是不一樣的
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transcript.whisperx[6296].text 好 今天採委員發言後休息
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transcript.whisperx[6297].text 然後後續的我們就休息完再發言
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transcript.whisperx[6298].text 好好好
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transcript.whisperx[6300].text 主席說要休息並不表示我們下午不能發言
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transcript.whisperx[6301].text 下午還是可以發言
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transcript.whisperx[6302].text 好 這個
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transcript.whisperx[6303].text 第四條國防部的行政院的版本
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transcript.whisperx[6304].text 第四條的第一計畫
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transcript.whisperx[6305].text 就跟這個
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transcript.whisperx[6306].text 這個法律名稱一樣
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transcript.whisperx[6308].text 所以從
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transcript.whisperx[6309].text 如果我們從第一條到最後一條來看
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transcript.whisperx[6310].text 看不出國防自主了
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transcript.whisperx[6311].text 如果要國防自主就一定要由經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[6313].text 國防部需要怎麼樣的
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transcript.whisperx[6314].text 國防部是需要怎麼樣的
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transcript.whisperx[6315].text 無論再計
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transcript.whisperx[6316].text 當然了
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transcript.whisperx[6321].text 無論再計
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transcript.whisperx[6323].text 當然我們這個可以討論國防行政院的版本是直接列舉這三個部分
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transcript.whisperx[6324].text 那當然這個
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transcript.whisperx[6325].text 現在的
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transcript.whisperx[6326].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[6327].text 無論再計
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transcript.whisperx[6328].text 不但
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transcript.whisperx[6329].text 不斷的在更新
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transcript.whisperx[6330].text 不斷的在創新
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transcript.whisperx[6332].text 所以到底是不是要直接列舉
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transcript.whisperx[6333].text 大家可以討論
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transcript.whisperx[6334].text 是不是
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transcript.whisperx[6335].text 如果要列舉 那是不是要加個其他
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transcript.whisperx[6337].text 但是從整個
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transcript.whisperx[6338].text 法律的整個
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transcript.whisperx[6340].text 無論再計才夠
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transcript.whisperx[6341].text 既然不是
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transcript.whisperx[6343].text 既然不是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[6347].text 這幾條條文
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transcript.whisperx[6350].text 能夠支持國民黨團的版本
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transcript.whisperx[6359].text 這在於說
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transcript.whisperx[6364].text 絕對是要很深刻的去
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transcript.whisperx[6366].text 那因此不能再用
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transcript.whisperx[6367].text 這種預算的方式的這種驅動
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transcript.whisperx[6369].text 這是最大的差異
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transcript.whisperx[6370].text 這方面沒有解決的話
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transcript.whisperx[6371].text 我們在國防部它未來
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transcript.whisperx[6391].text 在這邊想要我們要呈現出來的
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transcript.whisperx[6392].text 所以如果大家不能夠正視
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transcript.whisperx[6393].text 這樣的
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transcript.whisperx[6397].text 到時候就沒有了
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transcript.whisperx[6399].text 那更重要的是我們知道說
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transcript.whisperx[6400].text 在過去的這種無人機的產業當中
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transcript.whisperx[6401].text 我們的確有發展
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transcript.whisperx[6403].text 就是說比較在偵測
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transcript.whisperx[6405].text 這些能力的部分都需要有些
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transcript.whisperx[6406].text 更多的一個能量的
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transcript.whisperx[6408].text 但是我們中間也看到說
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transcript.whisperx[6410].text 或者說有些問題出現了
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transcript.whisperx[6411].text 所以我們要在這個制度建立好對我們可常可久的
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transcript.whisperx[6413].text 而且這個產業是要去
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transcript.whisperx[6414].text 支持的是國防的這一部分
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transcript.whisperx[6415].text 所有的整體的目標是往這邊
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transcript.whisperx[6416].text 去進行
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transcript.whisperx[6417].text 因此我們很嚴肅的在認知
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transcript.whisperx[6418].text 去做這樣的考量
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transcript.whisperx[6419].text 希望大家能夠知道這樣子的一個意涵
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transcript.whisperx[6420].text 而不是說
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transcript.whisperx[6422].text 去年的或是今年115年是比較特殊
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transcript.whisperx[6423].text 但是大家也知道說好好審預算
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transcript.whisperx[6424].text 然後預算把它呈現出來之後
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transcript.whisperx[6425].text 因為重要性已經出現了
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transcript.whisperx[6426].text 就把它好好的
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transcript.whisperx[6427].text 剛剛大家所擔憂的
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transcript.whisperx[6428].text 特別預算的不行的反正國防預算
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transcript.whisperx[6429].text 國防的支出這邊都是無人機
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transcript.whisperx[6430].text 這麼重要的在整個不對算的部分
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transcript.whisperx[6432].text 這個目標的話
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transcript.whisperx[6433].text 當然就會全力的支持
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transcript.whisperx[6435].text 你要先
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transcript.whisperx[6451].text 現在國防部有這個需求的這三款
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transcript.whisperx[6454].text 小型這個自殺無人體
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transcript.whisperx[6456].text 民眾黨代表
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transcript.whisperx[6457].text 到底同不同意要買
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transcript.whisperx[6458].text 到底同不同意要買
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transcript.whisperx[6460].text 好那就OK了
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transcript.whisperx[6461].text 那就OK了
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transcript.whisperx[6467].text 那要嘛
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transcript.whisperx[6469].text 這是一個最關鍵的問題嘛
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transcript.whisperx[6472].text 繼續往下談了嘛
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transcript.whisperx[6473].text 你們要商用民用的都可以
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transcript.whisperx[6483].text 願不願意讓他通過
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transcript.whisperx[6484].text 就這麼簡單而已啊
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transcript.whisperx[6486].text 剛剛我們李委員說到重點
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transcript.whisperx[6487].text 其實我們看到我們的條文第八頁
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transcript.whisperx[6493].text 憲法版的那三款
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transcript.whisperx[6500].text 本來國防部行政院就可以自主編列
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transcript.whisperx[6511].text 那這樣子呢人家才會願意來幫你生產
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transcript.whisperx[6524].text 但是還不夠
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transcript.whisperx[6531].text 所以能夠承載比較大的彈頭的
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transcript.whisperx[6532].text 是自殺無人艇
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transcript.whisperx[6533].text 所以無人艇要用來對付
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transcript.whisperx[6534].text 我們水面上大型的目標
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transcript.whisperx[6535].text 甚至還有水下的
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transcript.whisperx[6536].text 那這裡的無人艇因為它水上水下都可以
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transcript.whisperx[6537].text 涵蓋在內
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transcript.whisperx[6538].text 那水下的無人載具當然要對付什麼
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transcript.whisperx[6539].text 對付不要高價值的啊
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transcript.whisperx[6540].text 像對方的潛艇啊當然不能來威脅啊
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transcript.whisperx[6541].text 所以我先肯定
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transcript.whisperx[6542].text 這三項是迫切需要
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transcript.whisperx[6543].text 來建置我們台海防衛武力的武器
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transcript.whisperx[6544].text 但是它需要用
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transcript.whisperx[6545].text 跨年度的特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[6546].text 來配置才不會排擠到
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transcript.whisperx[6547].text 我們國防部在年度預算當中所要
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transcript.whisperx[6548].text 貨製的其他的軍備
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transcript.whisperx[6549].text 那如果按照國防部這個條款你用年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[6550].text 寫跟沒寫都一樣國防部都可以買啦
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transcript.whisperx[6551].text 現在國防部要的是
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transcript.whisperx[6552].text 我要買這幾項你要不要額外給我一個
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transcript.whisperx[6553].text 跨年度的特別預算讓我買
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transcript.whisperx[6554].text 就是這麼一句話而已
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transcript.whisperx[6555].text 但是我們還是呢要來看一下
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transcript.whisperx[6556].text 剛剛有幾位委員
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transcript.whisperx[6557].text 指教的到底我們台海的防衛戰略
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transcript.whisperx[6558].text 無人載具角色是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[6559].text 有人說你只要買了就好啦
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transcript.whisperx[6560].text 買到高階的就可以啊
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transcript.whisperx[6561].text 大錯特錯
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transcript.whisperx[6562].text 就像說
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transcript.whisperx[6563].text 你會養狼狗你會繁殖狼狗
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transcript.whisperx[6564].text 你會訓練狼狗嗎
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transcript.whisperx[6565].text 訓練
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transcript.whisperx[6566].text 跟資料庫是重要的無人載具很重要一項
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transcript.whisperx[6567].text 舉例來講
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transcript.whisperx[6568].text 你可以繁殖狼狗但是狼狗
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transcript.whisperx[6569].text 有沒有辦法辨別是好人壞人
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transcript.whisperx[6570].text 如果不能辨識目標
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transcript.whisperx[6571].text 這個狼狗養起來你雖然能夠讓歹徒失去攻擊力
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transcript.whisperx[6572].text 他把好人咬傷了你還要陪他
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transcript.whisperx[6573].text 無人載具的攻擊
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transcript.whisperx[6574].text 他不是只靠他裝備本身的性能
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transcript.whisperx[6575].text 而已
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transcript.whisperx[6576].text 這裡面還需要一個很長時間的培養
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transcript.whisperx[6577].text 我舉例來講
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transcript.whisperx[6578].text 目前以無人艇來講
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transcript.whisperx[6579].text 目前的無人艇台灣能不能成造啊
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transcript.whisperx[6580].text 剛剛賴委員說台灣有沒有能力可以知道
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transcript.whisperx[6581].text 我跟你保證我都去過了
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transcript.whisperx[6582].text 還不能製造
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transcript.whisperx[6583].text 問題是製造後好不好用
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transcript.whisperx[6584].text 其實國防部這邊要思考一下
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transcript.whisperx[6585].text 基本上目前
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transcript.whisperx[6586].text 我們過去的
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transcript.whisperx[6587].text 達到目標去自殺型的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[6588].text 到達目標去之前
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transcript.whisperx[6589].text 你可以用衛星導航你可以用電磁波導航
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transcript.whisperx[6592].text 也會被干擾的風險
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transcript.whisperx[6593].text 你用圖像導航
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transcript.whisperx[6594].text 這個好一點最後要能夠在這個過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[6595].text 要能夠避障
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transcript.whisperx[6596].text 要能夠鎖定目標
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transcript.whisperx[6597].text 你需要知道說誰是目標誰不是目標
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transcript.whisperx[6598].text 總不能航不浪漫看到水面艦艇就打吧
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transcript.whisperx[6599].text 打到自己的船怎麼辦
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transcript.whisperx[6600].text 要針對對方的艦艇打
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transcript.whisperx[6602].text 有收集這個圖資嗎
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transcript.whisperx[6603].text 其實不是買裝備而已
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transcript.whisperx[6604].text 還要買整套的訓練
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transcript.whisperx[6605].text 跟他背後的資源系統
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transcript.whisperx[6606].text 這才是我們今天看到國防部行政院的版本當中
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transcript.whisperx[6607].text 我們認為這個項目要
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transcript.whisperx[6608].text 但是這個項目背後
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transcript.whisperx[6609].text 整套的這些
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transcript.whisperx[6610].text 支撐這個作戰目標的
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transcript.whisperx[6611].text 這些都要去獲制
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transcript.whisperx[6612].text 我在講一個剛剛在談到反制無人機
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transcript.whisperx[6613].text 反制無人機最大的問題是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[6614].text 你要是用被動雷達去偵測他的電磁波
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transcript.whisperx[6615].text 你要知道他電磁波特徵
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transcript.whisperx[6616].text 現在無人機的導航
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transcript.whisperx[6617].text 控制用的都是4G
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transcript.whisperx[6618].text 5G的一個頻道
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transcript.whisperx[6619].text 那現在我們台灣大家拿的手機
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transcript.whisperx[6620].text 4G 5G的誰知道這個空中
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transcript.whisperx[6621].text 的電磁波是無人機發出來的
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transcript.whisperx[6622].text 所以首先反制無人機
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transcript.whisperx[6623].text 要先辨識哪些是目標
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transcript.whisperx[6624].text 他要有大量的現存
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transcript.whisperx[6625].text 在使用的無人機
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transcript.whisperx[6626].text 他的電磁波特徵
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transcript.whisperx[6627].text 就像森納要知道鯨魚跟海豚
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transcript.whisperx[6628].text 跟潛艇是不一樣的
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transcript.whisperx[6629].text 你要有森納的生文資料
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transcript.whisperx[6630].text 你沒有生文資料庫你怎麼知道你的目標
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transcript.whisperx[6631].text 在哪裡你要打誰呢
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transcript.whisperx[6632].text 所以這些都不是一個所謂的裝備
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transcript.whisperx[6633].text 到底台灣能不能生產
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transcript.whisperx[6634].text 但是台灣生產的裝備
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transcript.whisperx[6635].text 有沒有辦法透過適當的訓練
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transcript.whisperx[6636].text 跟資料庫能夠建置其他
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transcript.whisperx[6637].text 完成他的作戰目標
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transcript.whisperx[6638].text 這才是我們在看這個國防預算
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transcript.whisperx[6639].text 我們甚至背後進一步要去追究的一個內容
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transcript.whisperx[6640].text 所以反制無人機
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transcript.whisperx[6641].text 如果你沒辦法
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transcript.whisperx[6642].text 判斷他的電磁波特徵
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transcript.whisperx[6643].text 你如何去發射干擾信號
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transcript.whisperx[6644].text 你如何讓他強迫降落
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transcript.whisperx[6645].text 他會跳屏你怎麼知道他會跳什麼屏
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transcript.whisperx[6646].text 現在的無人載具的干擾
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transcript.whisperx[6647].text 跟反干擾是個碟對碟
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transcript.whisperx[6648].text 我要怎麼去變平
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transcript.whisperx[6649].text 你要抓得到啊
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transcript.whisperx[6650].text 跳屏跳屏你都抓不到我你根本不要反制我
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transcript.whisperx[6651].text 不要干擾我
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transcript.whisperx[6652].text 更不要說你如果最後不是用電磁波引導
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transcript.whisperx[6653].text 你是用其他的影像引導
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transcript.whisperx[6654].text 你連軟煞都做不到
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transcript.whisperx[6655].text 所以這種情況之下我們希望
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transcript.whisperx[6656].text 再來看看民眾黨團的版本
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transcript.whisperx[6657].text 因為民眾黨團的版本他是放在
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transcript.whisperx[6658].text 第二條當中
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transcript.whisperx[6659].text 有一個很大的問題
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transcript.whisperx[6661].text 因為主席在這裡特別要跟主席來回應一下
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transcript.whisperx[6662].text 因為你們這個部分說
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transcript.whisperx[6663].text 最後一項本條例所稱可信任供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[6664].text 指無人機系統及其關鍵的
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transcript.whisperx[6665].text 88888
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transcript.whisperx[6666].text 這些要符合主管機關公告之可信任供應鏈的分級認證制度
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transcript.whisperx[6667].text 這個是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[6668].text 在美國就是GREEM U
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transcript.whisperx[6669].text SA
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transcript.whisperx[6670].text Blu USA
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transcript.whisperx[6671].text 好這個Blu跟GREEM目前我所知道
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transcript.whisperx[6672].text 經濟部公研院
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transcript.whisperx[6673].text 已經取得了Blu的一個
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transcript.whisperx[6674].text GREEM的一個認證的授權
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transcript.whisperx[6675].text 那未來這個Blu的軍用等級的
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transcript.whisperx[6676].text 我們還在爭取當中可能是金屬中心
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transcript.whisperx[6677].text 要去爭取那不管是GREEM
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transcript.whisperx[6678].text 或是Blu這些所謂的
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transcript.whisperx[6679].text 可信任供應鏈的分級認證制度
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transcript.whisperx[6680].text 我認為這的確是需要
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transcript.whisperx[6681].text 但是問題是你這些寫說
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transcript.whisperx[6682].text 本條例所稱的可信任供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[6683].text 這些東西要符合
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transcript.whisperx[6684].text 關於這個東西
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transcript.whisperx[6685].text 如果我們Follow美國的GREEM跟Blu
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transcript.whisperx[6686].text 那很抱歉啦這就不是我們主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[6687].text 他所能夠去左右的
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transcript.whisperx[6688].text 這個就是對方在左右的對方的規格怎麼開
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transcript.whisperx[6689].text 你要怎麼跟
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transcript.whisperx[6690].text 所以其實把這些看起來
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transcript.whisperx[6691].text 好像是很重要
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transcript.whisperx[6692].text 很關鍵的這樣條文規定下來
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transcript.whisperx[6693].text 在執行上有沒有符合實況
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transcript.whisperx[6694].text 所以目前台灣連Blu跟GREEM
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transcript.whisperx[6695].text 都還要去跟美方取得授權
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transcript.whisperx[6696].text 在我們國內去做一些共通規格的產制
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transcript.whisperx[6697].text 那你在這種情況你
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transcript.whisperx[6698].text 馬上寫進來到底是在
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transcript.whisperx[6699].text 扶植本國的無人載具產業
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transcript.whisperx[6701].text 所以我是覺得這些內容
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transcript.whisperx[6702].text 都是可以來討論的
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transcript.whisperx[6703].text 其實我們是很希望說
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transcript.whisperx[6704].text 經濟部跟國防部他們未來
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transcript.whisperx[6705].text 國防部需要獲制他們可以
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transcript.whisperx[6706].text 有效使用的武器
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transcript.whisperx[6707].text 那經濟部要想辦法
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transcript.whisperx[6708].text 要想辦法讓國內可以繼續的產制
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transcript.whisperx[6709].text 不然的話以我們台灣
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transcript.whisperx[6710].text 以前台灣人要說是刺蝟之島
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transcript.whisperx[6711].text 為什麼我們是全世界
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transcript.whisperx[6712].text 飛彈密度最高的
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transcript.whisperx[6713].text 但是從烏克蘭今天我們看得到
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transcript.whisperx[6714].text 你只靠攔截飛彈這麼昂貴
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transcript.whisperx[6715].text 容易耗損庫存不容易補充的
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transcript.whisperx[6716].text 高價值或者高性能的
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transcript.whisperx[6717].text 這個軍備
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transcript.whisperx[6718].text 你很難支撐對岸
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transcript.whisperx[6719].text 攻擊方用大量
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transcript.whisperx[6720].text 消耗式的持久攻擊
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transcript.whisperx[6721].text 所以我們他要發展不對勝戰力當中
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transcript.whisperx[6722].text 我們要有這些量多價廉
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transcript.whisperx[6723].text 而且可以自行持續生產補充的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[6724].text 這就是我們目標
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transcript.whisperx[6725].text 這是國防部為什麼一開始要開這個
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transcript.whisperx[6726].text 特別預算去買這個
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transcript.whisperx[6727].text 用這個長單來買這些內容
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transcript.whisperx[6728].text 這就是我們目的我們要能夠生產什麼
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transcript.whisperx[6729].text 不是在靠飛彈愛國者飛彈來攔截對岸的攻擊
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transcript.whisperx[6731].text 靠人的兵海型的無人機
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transcript.whisperx[6732].text 去消滅
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transcript.whisperx[6733].text 去Defense
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transcript.whisperx[6734].text 去對抗他們派來的船隊
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transcript.whisperx[6735].text 或其他的對海的跨海攻擊
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transcript.whisperx[6736].text 我們需要的是這一個
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transcript.whisperx[6737].text 那如果國防部這個講清楚了大家支持了
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transcript.whisperx[6738].text 希望大家就支持用特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[6739].text 來支持購買這三種的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[6740].text 至於後面其他的內容
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transcript.whisperx[6741].text 包括說他的一個
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transcript.whisperx[6742].text 可信賴供應鏈啊他的分級認證制度啊
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transcript.whisperx[6743].text 目前我們的國產條例
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transcript.whisperx[6744].text 有分三級
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transcript.whisperx[6747].text 不過因為民眾黨團的版本
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transcript.whisperx[6748].text 他重點在於
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transcript.whisperx[6749].text 不是在於我們軍備的獲得武器的獲得
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transcript.whisperx[6750].text 他重點在於產業的扶植
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transcript.whisperx[6751].text 所以這個的確對產業是重要的
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transcript.whisperx[6753].text 是為了
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transcript.whisperx[6754].text 健全會完備我們的軍備
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transcript.whisperx[6755].text 那這個條文寫進去
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transcript.whisperx[6756].text 不見得有幫助於國防部
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transcript.whisperx[6757].text 可以迅速的獲得我們所需要的裝備
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transcript.whisperx[6758].text 以上呢來跟我們的
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transcript.whisperx[6759].text 主席來就教我們民眾黨團
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transcript.whisperx[6760].text 這樣的一個條文內容
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transcript.whisperx[6761].text 有沒有思考到未來真的如果實行的話
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transcript.whisperx[6763].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[6764].text 最後一個
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transcript.whisperx[6765].text 發紅就休息
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transcript.whisperx[6766].text 對 我要把它結束一下
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transcript.whisperx[6767].text 我想這個非紅可信任
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transcript.whisperx[6768].text 當然是
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transcript.whisperx[6769].text 我們在扶持國內產業
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transcript.whisperx[6770].text 一個非常重要的基準
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transcript.whisperx[6771].text 而且這一次是軍購
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transcript.whisperx[6772].text 基本上很多
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transcript.whisperx[6773].text 三規居用的東西
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transcript.whisperx[6774].text 所以我當然需要可信任
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transcript.whisperx[6775].text 所以基本上這個
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transcript.whisperx[6776].text 我想跟周委員說很多
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transcript.whisperx[6777].text 這樣子可能會出現
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transcript.whisperx[6778].text 我覺得這個不是這個樣子
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transcript.whisperx[6779].text 基本上非紅可信任
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transcript.whisperx[6780].text 我想這一次我們選擇還是非常重要
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transcript.whisperx[6781].text 蔣議員你要先講好了
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transcript.whisperx[6782].text 你講完再處理然後就休息
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transcript.whisperx[6783].text 第四條
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transcript.whisperx[6784].text 國民黨版是第十六條
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transcript.whisperx[6785].text 謝謝委員
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transcript.whisperx[6786].text 剛剛所講的大家都是為了
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transcript.whisperx[6787].text 無論機的產業不管是軍用民用
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transcript.whisperx[6788].text 等
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transcript.whisperx[6789].text 因為它試射了不只是軍用
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transcript.whisperx[6790].text 它還試農工商都需要
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transcript.whisperx[6791].text 所以這是非常
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transcript.whisperx[6792].text 重要的一個產業發展
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transcript.whisperx[6793].text 所以跟委員也同意
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transcript.whisperx[6794].text 也就是在國民黨第十六條
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transcript.whisperx[6795].text 第十六條裡頭的第一款
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transcript.whisperx[6797].text 它的產製
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transcript.whisperx[6798].text 它的維修工程以及
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transcript.whisperx[6799].text 訓練其實剛剛說了
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transcript.whisperx[6800].text 國民部就可以買了
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transcript.whisperx[6801].text 所以我認為在法制的基礎
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transcript.whisperx[6802].text 跟規模的經濟的時候
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transcript.whisperx[6803].text 我們更需要
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transcript.whisperx[6807].text 討論到現在
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transcript.whisperx[6808].text 我們唯一的目的就是這個
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transcript.whisperx[6810].text 共識點就是全力的支持
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transcript.whisperx[6814].text 這是大家達成的共識
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transcript.whisperx[6815].text 所以如果有大家
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transcript.whisperx[6816].text 因為還有很多的文字
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transcript.whisperx[6818].text 就是我們希望
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transcript.whisperx[6819].text 就是把
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transcript.whisperx[6823].text 快要兩點的時間
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transcript.whisperx[6824].text 我的具體建議是不是我們
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transcript.whisperx[6825].text 就是保留送寫商
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transcript.whisperx[6826].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[6827].text 所以就是保留送寫商
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transcript.whisperx[6828].text 好嗎第四條
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transcript.whisperx[6830].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[6832].text 可以嗎你還在問
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transcript.whisperx[6833].text 你不是頭髮的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[6834].text 我們不見了
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transcript.whisperx[6835].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[6836].text 一個特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[6837].text 一個特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[6838].text 你的特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[6839].text 用特別預算編列
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transcript.whisperx[6844].text 對
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transcript.whisperx[6846].text 下午茶
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transcript.whisperx[6849].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[6853].text 回去啊再打一遍
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transcript.whisperx[6858].text 還有嗎
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transcript.whisperx[6859].text 又回來了
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transcript.whisperx[6860].text 跟坐這邊
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transcript.whisperx[6862].text 拿著
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transcript.whisperx[6864].text OK的
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transcript.whisperx[7057].text 第五條
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transcript.whisperx[7059].text 也就是在
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transcript.whisperx[7153].text 的權責
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transcript.whisperx[7157].text 事情嘛
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transcript.whisperx[7160].text 無人的宰居
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transcript.whisperx[7162].text 也沒有特定的項目
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transcript.whisperx[7170].text 這個應該是我們
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transcript.whisperx[7172].text 本於我們光復的提議
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transcript.whisperx[7173].text 然後以及我們收斷許久
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transcript.whisperx[7174].text 就各種各樣的無人宰居
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transcript.whisperx[7175].text 在年度預算我們都會有不同方式的
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transcript.whisperx[7176].text 不同金額
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transcript.whisperx[7180].text 直接下一個指導起訴
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transcript.whisperx[7184].text 加上他在16條所提出的其他
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transcript.whisperx[7185].text 兩款跟這個
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transcript.whisperx[7189].text 也就只編列四百億
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transcript.whisperx[7190].text 也只能准編列四百億
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transcript.whisperx[7191].text 那也要求要編列四百億
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transcript.whisperx[7194].text 立法院到底要如何審查這樣的年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[7196].text 完全無法理解
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transcript.whisperx[7197].text 我也沒辦法能夠
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transcript.whisperx[7198].text 同意這樣的一個立法方式
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transcript.whisperx[7200].text 這是合乎這個立法院
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transcript.whisperx[7204].text 這樣的一個非常基本
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transcript.whisperx[7207].text 好,秋二元
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transcript.whisperx[7208].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[7212].text 這個國民黨團的提案是要求
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transcript.whisperx[7214].text 把它編列在年度預算裡頭
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transcript.whisperx[7215].text 那也
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transcript.whisperx[7216].text 我來是不是能夠再
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transcript.whisperx[7220].text 你每年只有四百億可以花
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transcript.whisperx[7222].text 一個長單訂購
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transcript.whisperx[7223].text 你今年的採購可能需要
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transcript.whisperx[7224].text 多一點的經費的時候
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transcript.whisperx[7225].text 但是你這個年度只編列四百億
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transcript.whisperx[7226].text 那你能不能採購
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transcript.whisperx[7227].text 你能不能動用
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transcript.whisperx[7229].text 你其實根本不需要
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transcript.whisperx[7230].text 到四百億的採購
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transcript.whisperx[7231].text 可是立法院立的法又規定你
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transcript.whisperx[7232].text 必須要編列四百億
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transcript.whisperx[7233].text 去採購
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transcript.whisperx[7236].text 我
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transcript.whisperx[7237].text 過去
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transcript.whisperx[7239].text 當然立法委員這麼久
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transcript.whisperx[7240].text 我實在是沒有看過這樣的一個
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transcript.whisperx[7242].text 把它用這樣的方式去編列
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transcript.whisperx[7244].text 用這樣子的方式去編列
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transcript.whisperx[7246].text 需求上面來講
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transcript.whisperx[7247].text 彈性不見了
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transcript.whisperx[7248].text 自主性不見了
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transcript.whisperx[7249].text 需求性也不見了
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transcript.whisperx[7251].text 到底有沒有意義
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transcript.whisperx[7253].text 還是真的是可以
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transcript.whisperx[7254].text 符合現在現階段
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transcript.whisperx[7256].text 來去做採購
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transcript.whisperx[7257].text 這個我想也要再次提出來
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transcript.whisperx[7258].text 那行政院版的
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transcript.whisperx[7259].text 兩千一百億其實
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transcript.whisperx[7260].text 我們用特別條例
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transcript.whisperx[7261].text 特別預算去支應
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transcript.whisperx[7262].text 今天早上我也提過
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transcript.whisperx[7266].text 其實都是清楚可見
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transcript.whisperx[7267].text 那不會被呼嚨掉
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transcript.whisperx[7268].text 不會被含糊掉
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transcript.whisperx[7269].text 也可以非常清楚知道國防部
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transcript.whisperx[7270].text 需要怎麼樣的
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transcript.whisperx[7271].text 這樣的採購編列
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transcript.whisperx[7272].text 所以我還是
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transcript.whisperx[7273].text 不太懂國民黨的
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transcript.whisperx[7274].text 奇案內容
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transcript.whisperx[7275].text 這個我是不是能夠再請部長
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transcript.whisperx[7276].text 也再說明一下好不好
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transcript.whisperx[7277].text 好請部長
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transcript.whisperx[7278].text 國防部這次表達就是說
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transcript.whisperx[7279].text 我們
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transcript.whisperx[7280].text 今天所列出來的
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transcript.whisperx[7281].text 在第四條所列的採購項目
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transcript.whisperx[7282].text 是
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transcript.whisperx[7283].text 非常的明確
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transcript.whisperx[7284].text 也非常明確的表示要用特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[7285].text 這不表示
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transcript.whisperx[7287].text 只有這些
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transcript.whisperx[7288].text 所以我們的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[7289].text 範圍會包括
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transcript.whisperx[7290].text 隨著這個
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transcript.whisperx[7292].text 我們相關的建案
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transcript.whisperx[7293].text 那個完整以後
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transcript.whisperx[7294].text 我們會再有提出其他的
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transcript.whisperx[7296].text MQ9B正在
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transcript.whisperx[7297].text 會再進行交裝
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transcript.whisperx[7298].text 那這個MQ9B事實上
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transcript.whisperx[7299].text 我們就是擺在我們的年度
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transcript.whisperx[7300].text 預算裡面那我們還會
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transcript.whisperx[7302].text 甚至以之後如果
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transcript.whisperx[7303].text 這個成熟我們還有
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transcript.whisperx[7304].text 水下的無人載具這些
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transcript.whisperx[7305].text 都會放在我們相關
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transcript.whisperx[7306].text 做成建案之後會提出
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transcript.whisperx[7309].text 給我們的一個授權
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transcript.whisperx[7310].text 一定是要明確的
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transcript.whisperx[7315].text 那其目的
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transcript.whisperx[7316].text 已經講過非常多次我就不再
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transcript.whisperx[7317].text 贅述但是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[7318].text 辦法能夠想像說所有的
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transcript.whisperx[7322].text 會直接明定要求我們
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transcript.whisperx[7323].text 每年應該要編列
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transcript.whisperx[7324].text 多少錢這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[7325].text 在我來講這個是無從
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transcript.whisperx[7326].text 想像的一件事情
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transcript.whisperx[7330].text 沒有就這個無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[7332].text 第二個我們超過400億
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transcript.whisperx[7333].text 有沒有違法第三個立法院
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transcript.whisperx[7334].text 砍掉剩下不足400億
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transcript.whisperx[7335].text 有沒有違法
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transcript.whisperx[7337].text 這樣的立法
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transcript.whisperx[7340].text 促進無人機對我們
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transcript.whisperx[7341].text 國防需求的一個
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transcript.whisperx[7342].text 迫切性的一個
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transcript.whisperx[7343].text 一個立法目的
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transcript.whisperx[7344].text 好中交病委員有沒有辦法
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transcript.whisperx[7345].text 那個鄭天才委員
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transcript.whisperx[7346].text 今天是立法
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transcript.whisperx[7347].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[7348].text 我也再強調到現在為止
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transcript.whisperx[7349].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[7350].text 都還沒有說明
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transcript.whisperx[7352].text 無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[7353].text 從第一條到最後一條看不到國防自主了
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transcript.whisperx[7354].text 只看到
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transcript.whisperx[7355].text 這邊特別一算
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transcript.whisperx[7356].text 這是第一個
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transcript.whisperx[7357].text 第二個
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transcript.whisperx[7358].text 剛才部長
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transcript.whisperx[7359].text 講的
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transcript.whisperx[7360].text 你說你用特別條例
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transcript.whisperx[7361].text 一算二還是要送來啊
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transcript.whisperx[7362].text 一算二還是要送來
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transcript.whisperx[7363].text 那你說立法院
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transcript.whisperx[7364].text 看
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transcript.whisperx[7365].text 本來就可以看
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transcript.whisperx[7366].text 那法律還明確了
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transcript.whisperx[7367].text 當然大家就不會看
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transcript.whisperx[7368].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[7370].text 啊
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transcript.whisperx[7371].text 國民黨所談團提的還明確
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transcript.whisperx[7372].text 一個年度多少錢
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transcript.whisperx[7373].text 大家就去尊重立法院去尊重這個自己所提的法律案
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transcript.whisperx[7374].text 所通過的法律案
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transcript.whisperx[7375].text 也就不會有什麼看不看的問題
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transcript.whisperx[7377].text 好像法律明定了還可以看
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transcript.whisperx[7378].text 所以這個部分是一個矛盾的
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transcript.whisperx[7381].text 這個是
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transcript.whisperx[7383].text 共同的
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transcript.whisperx[7384].text 是共同的
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transcript.whisperx[7387].text 你國防部認為
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transcript.whisperx[7388].text 啊
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transcript.whisperx[7390].text 每年是白衣太多
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transcript.whisperx[7394].text 所以這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[7395].text 如果你認為
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transcript.whisperx[7396].text 行政院所分配的400每年400億
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transcript.whisperx[7398].text 中科院
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transcript.whisperx[7399].text 跟國防部你認為你的不夠
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transcript.whisperx[7401].text 對啊
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transcript.whisperx[7402].text 除了這個400億之外
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transcript.whisperx[7403].text 你還是一樣可以去編類
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transcript.whisperx[7404].text 所以你有去
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transcript.whisperx[7405].text 反對你去編類
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transcript.whisperx[7407].text 因為從頭到尾啊
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transcript.whisperx[7408].text 我們既然是談
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transcript.whisperx[7412].text 所以必須要有
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transcript.whisperx[7415].text 共同的來去推動
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transcript.whisperx[7417].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[7418].text 中嘉賓委員完
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transcript.whisperx[7419].text 然後之後賴世保委員
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transcript.whisperx[7423].text 並沒有要表示意見
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transcript.whisperx[7425].text 所以這一題就不參與
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transcript.whisperx[7426].text 那我想那就很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[7427].text 目前呢
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transcript.whisperx[7428].text 有14個版本
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transcript.whisperx[7429].text 那其中呢
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transcript.whisperx[7430].text 有12個版本有要動之預算
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transcript.whisperx[7431].text 有兩個版本
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transcript.whisperx[7432].text 並沒有要動之預算
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transcript.whisperx[7433].text 就是分別是賴世保委員的V版
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transcript.whisperx[7435].text 那12個要動之預算的版本當中
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transcript.whisperx[7436].text 多數
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transcript.whisperx[7437].text 就是有11個版本
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transcript.whisperx[7438].text 是主張使用特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[7439].text 那剛剛攻聯了我們
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transcript.whisperx[7440].text 政委員的一番談話
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transcript.whisperx[7441].text 我想呢
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transcript.whisperx[7442].text 之前我也稍微的在公聽會的時候
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transcript.whisperx[7443].text 有用這個方式讓大家理解
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transcript.whisperx[7444].text 一般民眾的確不能區分
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transcript.whisperx[7445].text 中央政府的年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[7447].text 怎麼樣去區分
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transcript.whisperx[7448].text 那我就打個比方
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transcript.whisperx[7449].text 念大學的孩子
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transcript.whisperx[7450].text 跟爸爸要錢
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transcript.whisperx[7451].text 要買電腦
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transcript.whisperx[7452].text 要4萬塊
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transcript.whisperx[7454].text 爸爸每個月給孩子1萬的生活費
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transcript.whisperx[7455].text 要付房租要付伙食
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transcript.whisperx[7456].text 要付手機要付這些靈花
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transcript.whisperx[7457].text 那每個月1萬塊
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transcript.whisperx[7458].text 要再買個電腦呢
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transcript.whisperx[7459].text 不另外跟爸爸請款不行
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transcript.whisperx[7460].text 結果爸爸一聽電腦
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transcript.whisperx[7461].text 喔對不起他說我要3萬買電腦
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transcript.whisperx[7462].text 爸爸說3萬太少啦
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transcript.whisperx[7463].text 現在呢晶片都漲價了
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transcript.whisperx[7464].text 我給你4萬買電腦
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transcript.whisperx[7466].text 1萬元的零用錢自己扣
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transcript.whisperx[7467].text 請問如果就用我們一個月的零
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transcript.whisperx[7469].text 我還要另外去請款嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7470].text 現在我們的年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[7471].text 就好比是固定
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transcript.whisperx[7472].text 中央政府要支出的項目
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transcript.whisperx[7473].text 這些項目在國安部的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7474].text 都已經有律定要進行的軍備採購
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transcript.whisperx[7475].text 那麼無人載具這三款
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transcript.whisperx[7476].text 為什麼要另外
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transcript.whisperx[7477].text 一筆完整的預算來執行
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transcript.whisperx[7478].text 其實剛剛部長也講了
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transcript.whisperx[7479].text 那如果說大家不健忘的話
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transcript.whisperx[7480].text 我願意再幫他複習一下
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transcript.whisperx[7481].text 其實以MQ9B來說
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transcript.whisperx[7484].text 通過一個特別條例
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transcript.whisperx[7485].text 才能去購買啊沒有啊
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transcript.whisperx[7487].text 他就可以編在年度預算去採購
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transcript.whisperx[7490].text 你去做一些
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transcript.whisperx[7492].text 這個都可以的
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transcript.whisperx[7494].text 在野黨也並沒有認為不需要
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transcript.whisperx[7497].text 戰略價值的資產
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transcript.whisperx[7503].text 其他無人載具目前按照國防部的規劃
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transcript.whisperx[7506].text 能夠來進行支配
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transcript.whisperx[7508].text 需要一個2100億到2031年之前去執行完畢呢
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transcript.whisperx[7509].text 過去也講了很多了
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transcript.whisperx[7510].text 這三款就是台海防衛需要的大量裝備
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transcript.whisperx[7511].text 而且是屬於很多是屬於消耗型的裝備
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transcript.whisperx[7512].text 而且這個消耗我們要有能力
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transcript.whisperx[7513].text 自行產製補充
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transcript.whisperx[7514].text 不是像愛國者飛彈
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transcript.whisperx[7515].text 愛國者飛彈打完了
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transcript.whisperx[7516].text 就要再跟美國調
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transcript.whisperx[7517].text 但是如果這三款
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transcript.whisperx[7518].text 在未來的需要
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transcript.whisperx[7519].text 不管是演訓用掉
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transcript.whisperx[7520].text 還是真正的狀況發生用掉
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transcript.whisperx[7521].text 我們還有源源不斷的後勤能力
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transcript.whisperx[7522].text 來自主生產供應
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transcript.whisperx[7523].text 所以上午一直有委員關心這三款
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transcript.whisperx[7524].text 到底我們本國有沒有產製能力
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transcript.whisperx[7525].text 我也可以很負責任的說
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transcript.whisperx[7526].text 就跟東科院的院長一樣
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transcript.whisperx[7527].text 我們是有能力生產的
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transcript.whisperx[7528].text 但是我們有沒有廠商現在要投產
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transcript.whisperx[7529].text 抱歉
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transcript.whisperx[7530].text 沒有整架整機要投產的這樣的一個完整的規劃
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transcript.whisperx[7531].text 因為投資產生產
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transcript.whisperx[7532].text 它要幾個情況
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transcript.whisperx[7533].text 第一
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transcript.whisperx[7534].text 它的規模要夠大
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transcript.whisperx[7535].text 我才值得我去設置產線
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transcript.whisperx[7536].text 我們很多人有能力做
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transcript.whisperx[7537].text 但是因為規模不大
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transcript.whisperx[7538].text 我不會再去設置產線
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transcript.whisperx[7539].text 如果不設置產線
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transcript.whisperx[7540].text 我要跟別人share
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transcript.whisperx[7541].text 像光電球
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transcript.whisperx[7542].text 我們去跟東歐買
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transcript.whisperx[7543].text 可以啊人家不賣你啊
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transcript.whisperx[7544].text 人家現在大部分都供應給烏克蘭啊
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transcript.whisperx[7545].text 他幹嘛要分他的供
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transcript.whisperx[7546].text 我再講一個很具體的
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transcript.whisperx[7547].text 現在烏克蘭使用的長程製造無人機
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transcript.whisperx[7548].text 他用的噴射引擎
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transcript.whisperx[7549].text 是小型渦輪噴射引擎
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transcript.whisperx[7550].text 結果目前世界上
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transcript.whisperx[7551].text 過去有在生產的
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transcript.whisperx[7552].text 因為小型渦輪噴射引擎的市場很小
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transcript.whisperx[7553].text 航模的玩家在用
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transcript.whisperx[7554].text 就偏偏有台灣有一家工廠在生產
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transcript.whisperx[7555].text 而且還做的不錯
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transcript.whisperx[7556].text CP值很高
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transcript.whisperx[7557].text 所以後來烏克蘭透過其他國家
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transcript.whisperx[7558].text 來跟台灣進口
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transcript.whisperx[7559].text 可以說目前
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transcript.whisperx[7560].text 這個世界原來做航模的
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transcript.whisperx[7561].text 小型渦輪噴射引擎的廠商
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transcript.whisperx[7562].text 他現在全年的產量
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transcript.whisperx[7563].text 都全部給烏克蘭的需求
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transcript.whisperx[7564].text 給吃掉了
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transcript.whisperx[7565].text 那你說現在我們要他在生產供應給我們的國軍
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transcript.whisperx[7566].text 那他當然說好啊
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transcript.whisperx[7567].text 那我要設置產線
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transcript.whisperx[7568].text 產線設置下去一年要一萬粒
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transcript.whisperx[7569].text 一萬顆你吃得下來嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7570].text 那我們國安部算一算可能啊
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transcript.whisperx[7571].text 可是我不是一年一萬顆啊
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transcript.whisperx[7572].text 我六年我五年我可能需要這個量
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transcript.whisperx[7573].text 那你幫我建置產線好不好
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transcript.whisperx[7574].text 我是打個比方
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transcript.whisperx[7575].text 假設狀況那人家才會願意生產啊
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transcript.whisperx[7576].text 我們的廠商是有能力生產的
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transcript.whisperx[7577].text 但是如果你沒有一個規模
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transcript.whisperx[7578].text 他不會再額外的去製造
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transcript.whisperx[7579].text 設置產線因為開發產線
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transcript.whisperx[7580].text 需要投資那這就單單
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transcript.whisperx[7581].text 指未來這種消耗型
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transcript.whisperx[7582].text 的這三款他需要在
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transcript.whisperx[7583].text 國內有產製能力另外
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transcript.whisperx[7584].text 一個類似的就是晶片
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transcript.whisperx[7585].text 晶片你開模不要說開模
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transcript.whisperx[7586].text 開模是一貫用語啦
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transcript.whisperx[7587].text 主席一定更了解啦沒有上萬顆
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transcript.whisperx[7588].text 誰會幫你開啊
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transcript.whisperx[7589].text 你的設計
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transcript.whisperx[7590].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[7591].text 封裝這些所有的生產過程
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transcript.whisperx[7592].text 如果沒有幾萬顆幾十萬顆
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transcript.whisperx[7593].text 的晶片沒有人會幫你
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transcript.whisperx[7594].text 生產所以國安部這邊
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transcript.whisperx[7595].text 需要這三款
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transcript.whisperx[7596].text 為什麼晶片這麼重要
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transcript.whisperx[7597].text 晶片越否認物
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transcript.whisperx[7598].text 專對這種來設計
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transcript.whisperx[7599].text 他會越輕巧
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transcript.whisperx[7600].text 當然目前以我們國內
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transcript.whisperx[7601].text 這些在設計無人載具的產業
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transcript.whisperx[7602].text 他們用現有的晶片還是
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transcript.whisperx[7603].text 可以組裝成達成任務的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[7604].text 但是可能他的
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transcript.whisperx[7605].text 系統就會比較龐大晶片
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transcript.whisperx[7606].text 不能輕薄短小要做自殺型
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transcript.whisperx[7607].text 的任務最好將所有的功能
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transcript.whisperx[7608].text O1在一個晶片上就是
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transcript.whisperx[7610].text 需要什麼需要時間之外
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transcript.whisperx[7611].text 需要資金需要
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transcript.whisperx[7612].text 有未來的訂單這是
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transcript.whisperx[7613].text 這三款無人載具我們所需要
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transcript.whisperx[7614].text 額外國防部希望行政院
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transcript.whisperx[7615].text 期望透過立法院
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transcript.whisperx[7616].text 來提出一筆
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transcript.whisperx[7617].text 兩千一百億到
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transcript.whisperx[7618].text 2031年可以執行
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transcript.whisperx[7620].text 這就是目前原因啊
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transcript.whisperx[7621].text 如果我們今天
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transcript.whisperx[7622].text 不討論特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[7623].text 要用其他的方式年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[7624].text 根本不需要另外訂
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transcript.whisperx[7625].text 一線在我們中央政府的預算
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transcript.whisperx[7626].text 跟我們三兆就要裡面去挪
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transcript.whisperx[7627].text 去雲那是不是我們愛國者
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transcript.whisperx[7628].text 飛彈就少買了我們的海馬士
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transcript.whisperx[7629].text 就會少補充了
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transcript.whisperx[7630].text 那這當然會影響到我們其他的戰備
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transcript.whisperx[7631].text 的一個準備
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transcript.whisperx[7632].text 所以當然是要額外買
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transcript.whisperx[7633].text 所以如果在野黨的委員口口聲聲說
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transcript.whisperx[7634].text 要關心我們國防
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transcript.whisperx[7635].text 的自主要支持我們
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transcript.whisperx[7636].text 我們國內的產業
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transcript.whisperx[7637].text 你就要給行政院
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transcript.whisperx[7638].text 一筆特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[7639].text 在2031年之前
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transcript.whisperx[7640].text 能夠支持產業他針
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transcript.whisperx[7641].text 對我們這三款的需求
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transcript.whisperx[7642].text 消耗型的自主生產型的
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transcript.whisperx[7643].text 未來台海防衛迫切需要
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transcript.whisperx[7644].text 讓他趕快展開
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transcript.whisperx[7645].text 設計研發跟
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transcript.whisperx[7646].text 設線生產
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transcript.whisperx[7647].text 這才是我們的正辦
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transcript.whisperx[7648].text 今天在這邊多討論個幾小時
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transcript.whisperx[7649].text 不要影響到未來幾年
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transcript.whisperx[7650].text 我們這邊差個兩三個
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transcript.whisperx[7651].text 小時好好地討論
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transcript.whisperx[7652].text 把他的這個立法立好
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transcript.whisperx[7653].text 會讓我們的業界未來
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transcript.whisperx[7654].text 滿足我們國防部的戰備
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transcript.whisperx[7655].text 需求是很有大的幫助的
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transcript.whisperx[7656].text 所以我再次提醒主席
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transcript.whisperx[7657].text 我們目前有14個版本
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transcript.whisperx[7658].text 除了賴世保委員的B版
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transcript.whisperx[7659].text 跟民主黨黨團沒有
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transcript.whisperx[7660].text 涉及到預算的自用之外
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transcript.whisperx[7661].text 其他的12個版本
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transcript.whisperx[7662].text 有11個版本
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transcript.whisperx[7663].text 都是用特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[7664].text 所以我們再次強調支持
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transcript.whisperx[7665].text 用行政院特別預算的方式
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transcript.whisperx[7666].text 編列2100億
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transcript.whisperx[7667].text 在2031年之前供給
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transcript.whisperx[7668].text 我們國家我們的軍隊
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transcript.whisperx[7669].text 我們的國軍可以購買這三款的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[7670].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[7671].text 好 目前賴世保委員
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transcript.whisperx[7672].text 謝謝 我剛才以為說中央病委
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transcript.whisperx[7673].text 會最後說支持賴世保的
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transcript.whisperx[7674].text 國保院
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transcript.whisperx[7675].text 行政院2100億
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transcript.whisperx[7676].text 賴世保就500億
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transcript.whisperx[7677].text 但是賴世保的500億
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transcript.whisperx[7678].text 唯一的
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transcript.whisperx[7679].text 技術分析 技術轉移的
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transcript.whisperx[7680].text 特別要強調
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transcript.whisperx[7681].text 第二個
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transcript.whisperx[7682].text 第二個 政府採購 沒錯
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transcript.whisperx[7683].text 政府採購技術移轉
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transcript.whisperx[7684].text 這兩個要加起來
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transcript.whisperx[7685].text 第二個要強調的
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transcript.whisperx[7686].text 其實第五條是重中之重
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transcript.whisperx[7687].text 最重要是第五條
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transcript.whisperx[7688].text 行政院保持2100億
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transcript.whisperx[7689].text 變成秘書
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transcript.whisperx[7690].text 在野黨 國民黨團
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transcript.whisperx[7691].text 就2400億
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transcript.whisperx[7692].text 然後民眾黨是沒有上線
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transcript.whisperx[7693].text 你們說這個 你們連理由都不是理由啦
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transcript.whisperx[7694].text 你可以想
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transcript.whisperx[7695].text 行政院 經濟部啊
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transcript.whisperx[7696].text 剛通過一個不是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7697].text 無人載具產業發展統籌性計畫
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transcript.whisperx[7698].text 442億
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transcript.whisperx[7699].text 他就根據一個計畫
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transcript.whisperx[7700].text 來啦
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transcript.whisperx[7701].text 他就根據一個計畫
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transcript.whisperx[7702].text 他是有計畫的啊
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transcript.whisperx[7703].text 剛才早上 我們在休息之前不是早上了
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transcript.whisperx[7704].text 我不想說
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transcript.whisperx[7705].text 他就要那三個 一個 間 什麼 間
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transcript.whisperx[7706].text 檢查或者監測的無人機
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transcript.whisperx[7707].text 檢查
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transcript.whisperx[7708].text 無人機 無人艇 三大箱
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transcript.whisperx[7709].text 這個啊 在國民黨的
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transcript.whisperx[7710].text 國民黨團的版本 民眾黨團的版本
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transcript.whisperx[7711].text 通通支持你啊
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transcript.whisperx[7712].text 現在問題就在於
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transcript.whisperx[7713].text 特別預算還是一般預算
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transcript.whisperx[7714].text 這個你現在講說 啊啊啊啊啊
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transcript.whisperx[7715].text 那怎麼辦 我要買愛國者
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transcript.whisperx[7716].text 愛國者去買啊
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transcript.whisperx[7717].text 美國去買 我們可以有錢 都有錢買啊
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transcript.whisperx[7718].text 因為
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transcript.whisperx[7719].text 賴總統說
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transcript.whisperx[7720].text 到2030年
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transcript.whisperx[7721].text 國民會算戰GDP
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transcript.whisperx[7722].text 要5%
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transcript.whisperx[7723].text 所以 這裡面來講
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transcript.whisperx[7724].text 就大概 空間啦
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transcript.whisperx[7725].text 這幾年從2027到2030
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transcript.whisperx[7726].text 大概就有
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transcript.whisperx[7727].text 五六千億了
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transcript.whisperx[7728].text 五六千億的空間呢
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transcript.whisperx[7729].text 一千五百億左右 甚至可以高達兩千億
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transcript.whisperx[7730].text 就看你是在什麼時候編啦
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transcript.whisperx[7731].text 所以這個錢
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transcript.whisperx[7732].text 根本不是問題
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transcript.whisperx[7733].text 因為他要足點增加 否則賴總統的
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transcript.whisperx[7734].text 只要 只要票 就 票票喔
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transcript.whisperx[7735].text 他說要打GDP給5%
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transcript.whisperx[7736].text 他要打GDP
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transcript.whisperx[7737].text 拜託你講 我都不跟你吵 你們
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transcript.whisperx[7738].text 我說你吵我的
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transcript.whisperx[7739].text 這個賴總統說5%
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transcript.whisperx[7740].text 那5%怎麼來呢 告訴我們呢
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transcript.whisperx[7741].text 國務院說就是要每年增加啊
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transcript.whisperx[7742].text 每年增加一兩千億
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transcript.whisperx[7743].text 他要增加啊
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transcript.whisperx[7744].text 增加來跟你買愛國者
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transcript.whisperx[7745].text 怎麼沒錢 當然有錢啊
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transcript.whisperx[7746].text 所以 所以
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transcript.whisperx[7747].text 啊 媽
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transcript.whisperx[7748].text 所有的 因為這個案子
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transcript.whisperx[7749].text 其實我的案子
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transcript.whisperx[7750].text 跟你們是有基同要講的
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transcript.whisperx[7751].text 但不管怎麼樣 也是有點關係
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transcript.whisperx[7752].text 也不是
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transcript.whisperx[7753].text 完全沒有關係
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transcript.whisperx[7754].text 就是你的兩千一百億
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transcript.whisperx[7755].text 你真的要買這三大項
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transcript.whisperx[7756].text 那就放年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[7757].text 啊你今天說你還要不買帳
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transcript.whisperx[7758].text 不買帳就
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transcript.whisperx[7759].text 老實講
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transcript.whisperx[7760].text 要是可以處理 不是不能處理啦
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transcript.whisperx[7761].text 你這些個
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transcript.whisperx[7762].text 大家有共識主決議
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transcript.whisperx[7763].text 啊 為了什麼什麼什麼原因
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transcript.whisperx[7764].text 我們就 來 我們就
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transcript.whisperx[7765].text 敬請
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transcript.whisperx[7766].text 這個有共度
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transcript.whisperx[7767].text 什麼什麼 兩千四百億
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transcript.whisperx[7768].text 或者多少
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transcript.whisperx[7769].text 自己寫上去
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transcript.whisperx[7770].text 三黨統統這個公示表決通過
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transcript.whisperx[7771].text 就這樣說
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transcript.whisperx[7772].text 為什麼一定要年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[7773].text 我告訴你 理由一
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transcript.whisperx[7774].text 因為國王預算是主要增加的
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transcript.whisperx[7776].text 特別預算不應該常態化
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transcript.whisperx[7777].text 特別預算 你可以想啊
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transcript.whisperx[7778].text 包括前一陣子的任性
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transcript.whisperx[7779].text 什麼的 動不動就特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[7780].text 而且任何的特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[7781].text 幾乎國王部都有 剛才講
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transcript.whisperx[7782].text 前一陣子的任性 拿了一千一百億啊
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transcript.whisperx[7783].text 任何時候 國王部就要請啦
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transcript.whisperx[7784].text 所以 我是覺得
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transcript.whisperx[7785].text 特別預算不要給他
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transcript.whisperx[7786].text 常態化 這是第二點
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transcript.whisperx[7787].text 我要強調的
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transcript.whisperx[7788].text 那麼 最後一點就是
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transcript.whisperx[7789].text 其實 第五條就是
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transcript.whisperx[7790].text 重中之重的
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transcript.whisperx[7791].text 我們會
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transcript.whisperx[7792].text 我的版本就是
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transcript.whisperx[7793].text 可以給我技術輿準的
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transcript.whisperx[7794].text 不管跟美國 或者不是美國
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transcript.whisperx[7795].text 跟哪一個國家無人機搶我
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transcript.whisperx[7796].text 我跟他買 他要能給我技術輿準給我
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transcript.whisperx[7798].text 只有針對這個而已
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transcript.whisperx[7799].text 另外一部分 你要買
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transcript.whisperx[7800].text 兩種的無人機
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transcript.whisperx[7801].text 跟一個無人艇 我們通通支持
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transcript.whisperx[7802].text 通通支持 大致放年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[7803].text 你就筆照經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[7804].text 再寫一個 無人載具產業發展統籌型計畫
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transcript.whisperx[7805].text 你可以拿一個 無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[7806].text 採購統籌型計畫就好了
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transcript.whisperx[7807].text 下期你
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transcript.whisperx[7808].text 五年 還是幾年 你做些什麼計畫
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transcript.whisperx[7809].text 別忘了 政府大筆預算 基本上
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transcript.whisperx[7810].text 都有計畫的 即便有的經過立法院
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transcript.whisperx[7811].text 有的不經過立法院
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transcript.whisperx[7812].text 都會有一個計畫 不是沒有啦
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transcript.whisperx[7813].text 所以在這裡 也是
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transcript.whisperx[7814].text 立法院 也是可以幫忙 不是不能幫忙
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transcript.whisperx[7816].text 國安部要買的這三大內心
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transcript.whisperx[7817].text 立法院沒有人反對
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transcript.whisperx[7818].text 立法院沒有人反對 現在只有再一個
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transcript.whisperx[7819].text 你要放特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[7820].text 我們其實有不可
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transcript.whisperx[7821].text 我們希望放一般預算
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transcript.whisperx[7822].text 主席 我的預算 我已經講了
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transcript.whisperx[7823].text N次了 別再再鬧了
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transcript.whisperx[7824].text 我的預算就是要採購
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transcript.whisperx[7825].text 採購來技術升級
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transcript.whisperx[7826].text 你的第六條是特別
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transcript.whisperx[7827].text 500億 500億
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transcript.whisperx[7828].text 是特別預算 對對對 我知道
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transcript.whisperx[7830].text 要技術預算 你們同意我都同意
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transcript.whisperx[7831].text 所以你是用特別預算買來
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transcript.whisperx[7832].text 買來技術預轉 對對對
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transcript.whisperx[7833].text 技術升級 買來技術預轉就可以用特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[7834].text 對 對 對 買來國防
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transcript.whisperx[7835].text 保衛台灣就不能用特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[7836].text 國安部一定有情感 去擋你的情感
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transcript.whisperx[7837].text 你的邏輯不通嘛
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transcript.whisperx[7838].text 你的條文就不是這樣寫
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transcript.whisperx[7839].text 你的條文不是寫說買來做技術預轉喔
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transcript.whisperx[7840].text 你是買來
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transcript.whisperx[7841].text 還不受預算法限制喔
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transcript.whisperx[7842].text 請你看清楚
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transcript.whisperx[7843].text 你的條文根本就不是這樣寫吧
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transcript.whisperx[7844].text 不是啦 你講這個你一定要扯我的
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transcript.whisperx[7845].text 請你看一下
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transcript.whisperx[7846].text 第四頁
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transcript.whisperx[7848].text 應付加技術
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transcript.whisperx[7849].text 預轉及工業合作條件
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transcript.whisperx[7850].text 請看清楚我的第四頁
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transcript.whisperx[7851].text 你的條文就不是採購
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transcript.whisperx[7852].text 好 請看一下這個
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transcript.whisperx[7853].text 羅叔兵尾
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transcript.whisperx[7854].text 好 謝謝主席喔
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transcript.whisperx[7855].text 剛才中嘉賓委員
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transcript.whisperx[7856].text 所提到的MQ9B的
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transcript.whisperx[7857].text 無人機在
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transcript.whisperx[7863].text 而且它是烏克蘭的長程噴射轟炸機
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transcript.whisperx[7865].text 是有個機械是用到我們台灣的
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transcript.whisperx[7866].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[7868].text 那是用到 沒關係很好
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transcript.whisperx[7869].text 謝謝 那它是用到
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transcript.whisperx[7872].text 對啊 那非常好啊
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transcript.whisperx[7874].text 因為這個廠商他並
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transcript.whisperx[7875].text 你看特別講到他並不是
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transcript.whisperx[7876].text 因為有政府的
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transcript.whisperx[7878].text 是他自己本身自主在研發出來的
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transcript.whisperx[7879].text 就讓有他的市場性
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transcript.whisperx[7880].text 就是有這樣的市場性
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transcript.whisperx[7881].text 所以人家看到的需求
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transcript.whisperx[7882].text 而且這個我剛才看到說這個需求在於是長程的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7883].text 對不對 那這個長程的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7884].text 就在於說
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transcript.whisperx[7885].text 對 那現在的問題是我們如果用到
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transcript.whisperx[7888].text 他根本就沒有一個
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transcript.whisperx[7889].text 沒有一千到兩千公里他打到大陸去嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7890].text 所以這個地方所呈現出來
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transcript.whisperx[7892].text 你這個問的就是
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transcript.whisperx[7893].text 莫斯科就是忽然就打到莫斯科
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transcript.whisperx[7895].text 市場的出 我們重點是在
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transcript.whisperx[7896].text 我們是國防自主
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transcript.whisperx[7897].text 然後還有所謂出口的這樣的一個需求
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transcript.whisperx[7898].text 那但是現在我們最終是要用這種
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transcript.whisperx[7900].text 而不是說你還在打回去
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transcript.whisperx[7901].text 打回去也許是可能可能
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transcript.whisperx[7902].text 這個是現在我們就才不阻嘛
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transcript.whisperx[7904].text 重點我要說的是因為
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transcript.whisperx[7905].text 我們的廠商就有這種能力
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transcript.whisperx[7908].text 我們政府的這個支出他就有這樣的能力
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transcript.whisperx[7909].text 這才是我們要說的
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transcript.whisperx[7913].text 已經看到這個狀況了所以我們的需求
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transcript.whisperx[7914].text 我們的提供出來就是用
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transcript.whisperx[7915].text 本身的自己的能力
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transcript.whisperx[7916].text 可以達到就可以就是你要有市場
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transcript.whisperx[7917].text 驅動力啊而不是要用預算
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transcript.whisperx[7918].text 去做這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[7919].text 而不是用國家政府去預算去做這裡
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transcript.whisperx[7920].text 那我們剛才但是保委員
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transcript.whisperx[7921].text 我們本黨的利益是在於說
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transcript.whisperx[7922].text GDP本身就是已經要我們跟
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transcript.whisperx[7923].text 呼應到說各國的
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transcript.whisperx[7924].text 各國對或是美國對我們需求是
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transcript.whisperx[7927].text 這部分有這個必要的話當然要
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transcript.whisperx[7928].text 實施的有必要的當下去的
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transcript.whisperx[7930].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[7931].text 對不對那3%這個情況重點是
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transcript.whisperx[7933].text 這是我們最重要的
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transcript.whisperx[7934].text 立法委員最重要的維持我財政
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transcript.whisperx[7935].text 紀律的重點因此在這邊
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transcript.whisperx[7936].text 看起來尤其是我們最近的
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transcript.whisperx[7937].text 因為AI的發展我們的稅收
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transcript.whisperx[7938].text 在增加嘛這今年至少要增加一兆
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transcript.whisperx[7939].text 這種
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transcript.whisperx[7940].text 預期到現在的財政收支這個情況
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transcript.whisperx[7941].text 的確是可以啊
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transcript.whisperx[7942].text 不像說我們國際間對我們需求我們絕對是有必要
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transcript.whisperx[7943].text 會有這個會在國防預算
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transcript.whisperx[7944].text 有這樣大幅的增加的
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transcript.whisperx[7945].text 這就是我們本黨用這樣的方式
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transcript.whisperx[7946].text 用所謂的預算用不提
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transcript.whisperx[7947].text 特別預算而是用
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transcript.whisperx[7949].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[7950].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[7951].text 你講太多了
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transcript.whisperx[7952].text 法院
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transcript.whisperx[7953].text 好了好了
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transcript.whisperx[7954].text 你說
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transcript.whisperx[7955].text 來
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transcript.whisperx[7956].text 這就說明了
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transcript.whisperx[7957].text 剛剛賴委員
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transcript.whisperx[7958].text 在講我們的條
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transcript.whisperx[7959].text 輪對照表第十頁
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transcript.whisperx[7960].text 的確目前審到的是
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transcript.whisperx[7962].text 對應到的是賴氏寶
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transcript.whisperx[7963].text 版A版的第六條
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transcript.whisperx[7964].text 那麼國民黨版呢
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transcript.whisperx[7967].text 這就根本不用去討論了
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transcript.whisperx[7968].text 因為十四個版本扣掉沒有
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transcript.whisperx[7971].text 另外十二個有編制預算的
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transcript.whisperx[7978].text 實際上在執行的就是用
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transcript.whisperx[7982].text 並沒有需要用一個條例來
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transcript.whisperx[7983].text 交給我們審查其實就算是
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transcript.whisperx[7985].text 金額不管是兩千一百
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transcript.whisperx[7986].text 二千四百億
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transcript.whisperx[7987].text 最後根據條例的內容
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transcript.whisperx[7988].text 送來的預算書
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transcript.whisperx[7991].text 也是資深委員了特別條例
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transcript.whisperx[7992].text 通過後訂的是預算上限
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transcript.whisperx[7993].text 行政院要籌編預算
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transcript.whisperx[7994].text 將預算案送到本院
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transcript.whisperx[7995].text 才能進行審議本院
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transcript.whisperx[7996].text 當然可以審議可以增三
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transcript.whisperx[7997].text 可以三可以動
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transcript.whisperx[7999].text 一定要照原數通過
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transcript.whisperx[8005].text 他的限制
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transcript.whisperx[8006].text 要看哪裡他要看他除了
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transcript.whisperx[8007].text 第二項他說前項
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transcript.whisperx[8009].text 提撥不低於百分之十
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transcript.whisperx[8010].text 專攻技術轉
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transcript.whisperx[8011].text 移轉接收
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transcript.whisperx[8014].text 給的錢已經夠少了
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transcript.whisperx[8015].text 國防部行政院說要兩千一百億
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transcript.whisperx[8016].text 他說我給你五百億就好
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transcript.whisperx[8017].text 爸爸我要買個電腦要三萬
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transcript.whisperx[8018].text 不用啦一萬塊就好了啦
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transcript.whisperx[8020].text 還要加說你不要買整機的喔
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transcript.whisperx[8030].text 工業合作價值不得低於各採購
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transcript.whisperx[8031].text 契約金額的百分之四十
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transcript.whisperx[8032].text 這不是要讓國防部放手去採購啊
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transcript.whisperx[8033].text 這是給國防部穿小鞋啊
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transcript.whisperx[8038].text 前項技術移轉及工業合作要建立
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transcript.whisperx[8039].text 下列能量為目標
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transcript.whisperx[8040].text 我們看到有三款
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transcript.whisperx[8041].text 這裡面的第三款呢寫的供應鏈非紅化
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transcript.whisperx[8042].text 很好啊
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transcript.whisperx[8043].text 連奈斯堡A本都要寫非紅供應鏈啊
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transcript.whisperx[8044].text 這個民眾黨的黨團還不敢
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transcript.whisperx[8045].text 明明白白的承認
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transcript.whisperx[8046].text 還要拐彎抹角說
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transcript.whisperx[8047].text 要怎樣怎樣要有什麼安全認證
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transcript.whisperx[8048].text 就是非紅供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[8049].text 非紅供應鏈奈斯堡A本都寫了
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transcript.whisperx[8050].text 這個我們都覺得很好啊
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transcript.whisperx[8051].text 排除含有惡意的
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transcript.whisperx[8052].text 後門或惡意的模擬啊
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transcript.whisperx[8053].text 但是呢他的第一款跟第二款
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transcript.whisperx[8054].text 他說什麼這些關鍵的
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transcript.whisperx[8055].text 次系統的產製及自主
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transcript.whisperx[8056].text 維修包括光電雷達感測
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transcript.whisperx[8057].text 衛星與自動鏈
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transcript.whisperx[8058].text 飛行控制飛控自主導航
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transcript.whisperx[8059].text 對目標研判
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transcript.whisperx[8060].text 抗干擾抗衛星定位
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transcript.whisperx[8061].text 欺騙模組很好啊
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transcript.whisperx[8062].text 把現在無人載具所需要的這些基本功夫
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transcript.whisperx[8063].text 都放進去了啊老實說不放
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transcript.whisperx[8064].text 我想國防部也不會去買
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transcript.whisperx[8065].text 不具備這些內容的
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transcript.whisperx[8066].text 無人載具啊問題是
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transcript.whisperx[8067].text 這些是不是在短時間內
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transcript.whisperx[8068].text 台灣都具備有這三款
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transcript.whisperx[8069].text 的自主能力
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transcript.whisperx[8070].text 我們講到國防自主
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transcript.whisperx[8071].text 生產不意味著
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transcript.whisperx[8072].text 全部的技術都是由我們
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transcript.whisperx[8073].text 自行開發這個連美國都做不到
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transcript.whisperx[8074].text 他要去跟人家買專利買授權
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transcript.whisperx[8075].text 甚至有些零件
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transcript.whisperx[8076].text 要能夠對方供應
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transcript.whisperx[8077].text 但是只要是飛虹供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[8078].text 我們有辦法獲得
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transcript.whisperx[8079].text 那就不妨礙我們自主生產
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transcript.whisperx[8080].text 這樣的目的所以這裡寫的這麼嚴
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transcript.whisperx[8081].text 他講的這三項
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transcript.whisperx[8082].text 這三款呢要在國內
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transcript.whisperx[8083].text 這樣共同生產組裝跟
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transcript.whisperx[8084].text 整合測試還有後勤
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transcript.whisperx[8085].text 維修能量講的很好
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transcript.whisperx[8086].text 但是實務上呢我們看看最後一項
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transcript.whisperx[8087].text 他的第四項寫
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transcript.whisperx[8088].text 本條例所需經費
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transcript.whisperx[8089].text 還要提撥不低於10%
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transcript.whisperx[8090].text 專攻前三項技術
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transcript.whisperx[8091].text 以轉接收產業化及
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transcript.whisperx[8092].text 維修能量建立資用
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transcript.whisperx[8093].text 我要是跟我老爸念大學的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8094].text 跟我老爸要個買電腦4萬塊
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transcript.whisperx[8095].text 他給我下這麼多條件我看電腦就甭買啦
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transcript.whisperx[8096].text 這個是什麼意思
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transcript.whisperx[8097].text 也給我們就教一下法務部的參事
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transcript.whisperx[8098].text 他這個應該條文上
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transcript.whisperx[8099].text 就算未來真的要
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transcript.whisperx[8100].text 送審啦
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transcript.whisperx[8101].text 沒有所謂的前三項
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transcript.whisperx[8102].text 這裡面只有第一項第二項第三項跟第四項
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transcript.whisperx[8103].text 第四項可以寫
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transcript.whisperx[8104].text 第二項之三款
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transcript.whisperx[8105].text 你要寫就寫第二項之三款或寫第二項
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transcript.whisperx[8106].text 的這些技術以轉
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transcript.whisperx[8107].text 哪來的前三項
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transcript.whisperx[8108].text 前三項是哪前三項
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transcript.whisperx[8109].text 前面那三項通通都是你這個第四項
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transcript.whisperx[8110].text 涵蓋的範圍嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8111].text 所以我還是要建議在野黨
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transcript.whisperx[8112].text 如果真的有心
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transcript.whisperx[8113].text 要建立我們國防自主
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transcript.whisperx[8114].text 防衛台海安全
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transcript.whisperx[8115].text 你們也希望產業能夠在過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[8116].text 獲益強化我們
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transcript.whisperx[8117].text 自主生產的量能
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transcript.whisperx[8118].text 也能夠在過程當中刺激
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transcript.whisperx[8119].text 我們台灣的技術研發取得
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transcript.whisperx[8120].text 更多的自主研發能力這都很好
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transcript.whisperx[8121].text 但是這樣條文的寫法
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transcript.whisperx[8122].text 根本就是適得其反
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transcript.whisperx[8123].text 讓人家覺得這哪裡是
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transcript.whisperx[8124].text 要來幫忙這是來找麻煩
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transcript.whisperx[8125].text 再強調一次這種條文
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transcript.whisperx[8126].text 寫法哪裡是來幫忙
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transcript.whisperx[8127].text 這是在找麻煩
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transcript.whisperx[8128].text 好這個
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transcript.whisperx[8129].text 我夠快嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8130].text 這個早上
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transcript.whisperx[8131].text 我跟那個受寵若驚
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transcript.whisperx[8132].text 某人接受
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transcript.whisperx[8133].text 那是把版本
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transcript.whisperx[8134].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[8135].text 左屁右打
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transcript.whisperx[8136].text 這個叫做
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transcript.whisperx[8137].text 道地叫做
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transcript.whisperx[8138].text 民懷暗殺
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transcript.whisperx[8139].text 實際上就是殺
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transcript.whisperx[8140].text 這個東西也不要把本質想
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transcript.whisperx[8141].text 自己都給打
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transcript.whisperx[8142].text 版本推出來就是進得去考驗
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transcript.whisperx[8143].text 就是進得去考驗
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transcript.whisperx[8144].text 我們一直主張
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transcript.whisperx[8145].text 國務部要多少錢
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transcript.whisperx[8146].text 你才合理的這生肖我說應該買
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transcript.whisperx[8147].text 就是一杯雨水
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transcript.whisperx[8148].text 那我提了500億就是針對
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transcript.whisperx[8149].text 我要upgrade
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transcript.whisperx[8150].text 我要技術能夠升更的
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transcript.whisperx[8151].text 已經有這個
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transcript.whisperx[8152].text 但是obviously等一下何處長
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transcript.whisperx[8153].text 如果講不對你可以補充
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transcript.whisperx[8154].text 中文不怎麼樣啊
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transcript.whisperx[8155].text 我們跟美國買了多了武器請問
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transcript.whisperx[8156].text Obset是怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[8157].text 這都一套無毒啊
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transcript.whisperx[8158].text 根本不敢跟你跟美國要啊
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transcript.whisperx[8159].text 第一個40%Obset就是
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transcript.whisperx[8160].text 我跟你買100塊你要給我
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transcript.whisperx[8161].text 40塊的訂單
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transcript.whisperx[8162].text Obset
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transcript.whisperx[8163].text 買700億美金
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transcript.whisperx[8164].text 向美國買700億美金
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transcript.whisperx[8165].text 他也沒有給我們40%的訂單
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transcript.whisperx[8166].text 當然沒有啊怎麼會有呢
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transcript.whisperx[8167].text 我怎麼查就沒有啊
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transcript.whisperx[8168].text 這個東西就是我們要落實
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transcript.whisperx[8169].text 技術的升級我們跟美國
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transcript.whisperx[8170].text 一直買一直買
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transcript.whisperx[8171].text 難道你說我大人我讚
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transcript.whisperx[8172].text 我不服論
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transcript.whisperx[8173].text 台灣的晶片非常棒台灣的資訊工業非常棒
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transcript.whisperx[8174].text 台灣的晶片非常棒
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transcript.whisperx[8175].text 我們是工業王國
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transcript.whisperx[8176].text 但是呢在軍工行業這一塊
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transcript.whisperx[8177].text 我們只有買而已啊
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transcript.whisperx[8178].text 技術沒有深耕啊
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transcript.whisperx[8179].text 美國根本反過來買嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8180].text 我們跟他買100億美金
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transcript.whisperx[8181].text 他要跟我們買40億美金的
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transcript.whisperx[8182].text 其他的一些相關的零主件嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8183].text 答案是沒有的嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8184].text 就是說的不好嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8185].text 所以我的500億就是針對
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transcript.whisperx[8186].text 我買了之後
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transcript.whisperx[8187].text 不管是美國或是其他國家
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transcript.whisperx[8188].text 你要跟我買相對應的
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transcript.whisperx[8189].text 買40%以上的offset
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transcript.whisperx[8190].text 這個不是什麼挖坑啦
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transcript.whisperx[8191].text 這個已經有這樣做了
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transcript.whisperx[8192].text 過去就這樣規定
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transcript.whisperx[8193].text 只是一直沒有落實
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transcript.whisperx[8194].text 黃志祺這個拜託當立法委員
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transcript.whisperx[8195].text 這個這個中委員你都是
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transcript.whisperx[8196].text 老鳥不是菜鳥
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transcript.whisperx[8197].text 要知道那那麼丁
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transcript.whisperx[8198].text 經濟部就有病了
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transcript.whisperx[8199].text 只是沒有做
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transcript.whisperx[8200].text 那不是我們失職嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8201].text 我們沒有好好去監督啊
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transcript.whisperx[8202].text 我們對外的武器採購就應該跟他要求
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transcript.whisperx[8203].text 40%你要跟我買回去
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transcript.whisperx[8204].text 這個才是長久之道
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transcript.whisperx[8205].text 才有辦法落實我們的金工產業
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transcript.whisperx[8206].text 阿婆就跟他講
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transcript.whisperx[8207].text 我們也希望這一次
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transcript.whisperx[8208].text 我們沒有失職我們國王
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transcript.whisperx[8209].text 這個國務部提出了那三大項
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transcript.whisperx[8210].text 無人機兩種無人機一種無人機
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transcript.whisperx[8211].text 這個錢能夠帶動台灣的金工產業
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transcript.whisperx[8212].text 能夠土味穩定
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transcript.whisperx[8213].text 能夠上來
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transcript.whisperx[8214].text 否則的話我們英文就是
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transcript.whisperx[8215].text 都跟台灣的金工產業
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transcript.whisperx[8216].text 真的去做整齊的
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transcript.whisperx[8217].text 沒有幾個啦
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transcript.whisperx[8218].text 所以
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transcript.whisperx[8219].text 我覺得第五條其實第五條
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transcript.whisperx[8220].text 講的才會有的啦
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transcript.whisperx[8221].text 都不用講太多就是
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transcript.whisperx[8222].text 要特別預算或是不要
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transcript.whisperx[8223].text 但是錢一定給你
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transcript.whisperx[8224].text 你們邊
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transcript.whisperx[8225].text 你們邊我們就
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transcript.whisperx[8226].text 特別預算就破壞資訊
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transcript.whisperx[8227].text 這個你們把違章建築
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transcript.whisperx[8228].text 當作一般建築
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transcript.whisperx[8229].text 不要特別預算常態化
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transcript.whisperx[8230].text 這是我們強調的
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transcript.whisperx[8231].text 哪一次特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[8232].text 沒有國務部的因子幾乎都有
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transcript.whisperx[8233].text 貼著的論信就哪一天一樣
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transcript.whisperx[8234].text 什麼什麼什麼
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transcript.whisperx[8235].text 國務部就吃一塊
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transcript.whisperx[8236].text 現在你還特別要再吃這麼大塊
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transcript.whisperx[8237].text 我們就覺得放在年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[8238].text 監督力道也比較足啦
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transcript.whisperx[8239].text 這個特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[8240].text 就是說這個特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[8241].text 就太特別了
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transcript.whisperx[8242].text 來 臨處委員
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transcript.whisperx[8243].text 謝謝主席喔
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transcript.whisperx[8244].text 其實我們都知道其實到第五條
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transcript.whisperx[8245].text 就是一個深水區啦
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transcript.whisperx[8246].text 因為剛剛大家不論是國民黨的委員
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transcript.whisperx[8247].text 或是民眾黨的委員
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transcript.whisperx[8248].text 還包括民黨委員都已經有發言了
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transcript.whisperx[8249].text 那麼這個深水區其實就決定了
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transcript.whisperx[8250].text 接下來
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transcript.whisperx[8251].text 到底我們要不要
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transcript.whisperx[8252].text 來採購
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transcript.whisperx[8253].text 那要用什麼樣的方式採購以及
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transcript.whisperx[8254].text 採購之後什麼時候可以拿得到
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transcript.whisperx[8255].text 比如說如果真的
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transcript.whisperx[8256].text 就如同國民黨跟民眾黨
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transcript.whisperx[8257].text 認為的現在就是
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transcript.whisperx[8258].text 要進入年度預算
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transcript.whisperx[8259].text 那麼進入年度預算的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8260].text 你跟人家買東西
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transcript.whisperx[8261].text 那麼人家為什麼要
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transcript.whisperx[8262].text 先給你四百億之後
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transcript.whisperx[8263].text 全部的東西就給你來使用
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transcript.whisperx[8264].text 我相信這個也是
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transcript.whisperx[8265].text 大家在面對
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transcript.whisperx[8266].text 我們現在討論這一題的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8267].text 其實最明確知道的嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8268].text 因為如果說回到
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transcript.whisperx[8269].text 年度預算那麼還是要
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transcript.whisperx[8270].text 回到老生常談就是
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transcript.whisperx[8271].text 我們現在2026年的年度預算都還卡住
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transcript.whisperx[8272].text 那麼我相信
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transcript.whisperx[8273].text 在公聽會7月23號公聽會的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8274].text 廠商業者都講得
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transcript.whisperx[8275].text 非常的清楚跟明白
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transcript.whisperx[8276].text 就是如果沒有一個穩定的
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transcript.whisperx[8277].text 預算那麼他們根本
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transcript.whisperx[8278].text 不敢下去做常單
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transcript.whisperx[8279].text 所以為什麼我的版本
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transcript.whisperx[8280].text 跟行政院的版本會
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transcript.whisperx[8281].text 希望有一個
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transcript.whisperx[8282].text 2100億為上限的
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transcript.whisperx[8283].text 特別預算那就是第一
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transcript.whisperx[8284].text 在採購的部分
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transcript.whisperx[8285].text 確定了就是有2100
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transcript.whisperx[8286].text 億那麼2100億到時候
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transcript.whisperx[8287].text 他
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transcript.whisperx[8288].text 有機會應該是說一定
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transcript.whisperx[8289].text 可以跟美國
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transcript.whisperx[8290].text 買到這些武器那麼買到之後
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transcript.whisperx[8291].text 包含剛剛政天才委員特別
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transcript.whisperx[8292].text 提到的我們怎麼樣的國防
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transcript.whisperx[8293].text 製組那麼當然接下來
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transcript.whisperx[8294].text 剛剛這個
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transcript.whisperx[8295].text 國民黨的委員也有提到的希望能夠
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transcript.whisperx[8296].text 技術轉移或等等
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transcript.whisperx[8297].text 這個都是後續採購
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transcript.whisperx[8298].text 我相信國防部這裡
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transcript.whisperx[8299].text 會去做
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transcript.whisperx[8300].text 進一步的協商跟溝通
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transcript.whisperx[8301].text 包括我們在採購的過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[8302].text 有多少的部分可以
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transcript.whisperx[8303].text 計轉給我們的無人產業
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transcript.whisperx[8304].text 的業者來未來
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transcript.whisperx[8307].text 的長單我覺得是坑殺業者
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transcript.whisperx[8308].text 業者也講了就是
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transcript.whisperx[8309].text 你一下有一下
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transcript.whisperx[8310].text 沒有然後以目前
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transcript.whisperx[8311].text 立法院的情況大家也不要騙人了
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transcript.whisperx[8312].text 這個預算能夠順利的
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transcript.whisperx[8313].text 編列下來嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8314].text 那麼業者敢去投資敢去生產嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8315].text 甚至於我說實話
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transcript.whisperx[8316].text 連銀行可能都不就算
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transcript.whisperx[8317].text 業者想先去生產銀行可能
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transcript.whisperx[8318].text 都不敢給你貸款
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transcript.whisperx[8319].text 沒有訂單哪來貸款
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transcript.whisperx[8320].text 這個到時候在銀行
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transcript.whisperx[8321].text 審核的過程當中都會覺得
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transcript.whisperx[8322].text 你沒單
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transcript.whisperx[8323].text 我還給你貸不要銀行到時候
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transcript.whisperx[8324].text 還出現超貸偽貸
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transcript.whisperx[8325].text 假貸所以講白了
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transcript.whisperx[8327].text 的邏輯就是用一個
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transcript.whisperx[8328].text 特別預算他才能夠穩定的
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transcript.whisperx[8329].text 有訂單然後我們也才能夠買
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transcript.whisperx[8330].text 得到所以這也是為什麼我相信
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transcript.whisperx[8332].text 的深水區我覺得用特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[8333].text 的方式才是最可行的
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transcript.whisperx[8334].text 還有新的討論
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transcript.whisperx[8335].text 我要請教
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transcript.whisperx[8336].text 剛剛
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transcript.whisperx[8337].text 顧部長提到的那幾個問題
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transcript.whisperx[8338].text 是不是國民黨的委員
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transcript.whisperx[8339].text 能夠回答
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transcript.whisperx[8340].text 你的公務預算每年編列
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transcript.whisperx[8341].text 400億
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transcript.whisperx[8343].text 算不算違法
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transcript.whisperx[8347].text 需要可以付到400億
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transcript.whisperx[8348].text 或者是下一個年度需要
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transcript.whisperx[8349].text 多過400億的時候預算要
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transcript.whisperx[8350].text 怎麼編列
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transcript.whisperx[8351].text 我們是不是可以就請教
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transcript.whisperx[8352].text 偉大的國民黨的黨團
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transcript.whisperx[8353].text 因為這法條是你們寫的這版本
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transcript.whisperx[8354].text 是你們寫的可不可以說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[8355].text 預算編列不足算不算違法
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transcript.whisperx[8356].text 預算編列超過算不算違法
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transcript.whisperx[8358].text 法律明定多少就是多少
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transcript.whisperx[8359].text 為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[8360].text 所以我一年只有400億可以花
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transcript.whisperx[8361].text 那我今年不需要用到400億的時候
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transcript.whisperx[8362].text 我少編
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transcript.whisperx[8363].text 那編了要幹嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8366].text 那你應該問國防部為什麼他要
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transcript.whisperx[8368].text 是你們寫的法條是你們寫的
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transcript.whisperx[8369].text 法條是你們寫的
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transcript.whisperx[8370].text 2100億他有長單短單
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transcript.whisperx[8371].text 他不是一年執行完
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transcript.whisperx[8372].text 這是特別採購特別條例
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transcript.whisperx[8373].text 不是一年執行2100億
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transcript.whisperx[8374].text 我現在問的是說
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transcript.whisperx[8375].text 我現在回答你一直講話
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transcript.whisperx[8376].text 我要回答
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transcript.whisperx[8377].text 你等我問完你再講嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8378].text 你把他明文化
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transcript.whisperx[8381].text 超過的時候算不算違法
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transcript.whisperx[8382].text 超過算不算違法
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transcript.whisperx[8383].text 好第一個
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transcript.whisperx[8384].text 有禮貌一點啦
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transcript.whisperx[8385].text 剛才我已經講了
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transcript.whisperx[8386].text 剛才我已經講了
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transcript.whisperx[8388].text 狗狗
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transcript.whisperx[8392].text 當然在其他的產業
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transcript.whisperx[8393].text 因為這是
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transcript.whisperx[8395].text 無人宰計
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transcript.whisperx[8398].text 能夠發展
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transcript.whisperx[8399].text 我們自己的無人宰計
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transcript.whisperx[8400].text 國防部用不到那麼多
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transcript.whisperx[8401].text 我們可以給我們的產業借
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transcript.whisperx[8404].text 這400億不夠
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transcript.whisperx[8406].text 行政院先把大了第一劑
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transcript.whisperx[8407].text 你先聽清楚嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8409].text 你要先看啊
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transcript.whisperx[8412].text 可以生產嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8414].text 產業借啊
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transcript.whisperx[8415].text 國防自主啊
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transcript.whisperx[8417].text 不是去買美國
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transcript.whisperx[8418].text 叫國防自主啊
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transcript.whisperx[8419].text 那個直接寫
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transcript.whisperx[8423].text 無人採購
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transcript.whisperx[8425].text 特別條例就好了
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transcript.whisperx[8429].text 自己產生生產為主啊
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transcript.whisperx[8431].text 國防採購不能隨便到產業裡面
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transcript.whisperx[8432].text 去那個錢不能亂挪啊
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transcript.whisperx[8433].text 中文你要看得懂
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transcript.whisperx[8434].text 法律你要看得懂啊
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transcript.whisperx[8435].text 你要看清楚行政院現在
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transcript.whisperx[8436].text 就有這個計畫了
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transcript.whisperx[8437].text 這裡面就包含了國防自主
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transcript.whisperx[8440].text 這個無人採購的
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transcript.whisperx[8444].text 那現在呢
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transcript.whisperx[8445].text 我們要把它列為
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transcript.whisperx[8446].text 提升法律的位階
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transcript.whisperx[8447].text 因為才會
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transcript.whisperx[8448].text 不會因著不同的院長
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transcript.whisperx[8449].text 不同的經濟部長
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transcript.whisperx[8451].text 而產生預算的偏差
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transcript.whisperx[8452].text 所以要特別以
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transcript.whisperx[8455].text 這樣的話才會
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transcript.whisperx[8456].text 不會因為院長的變更
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transcript.whisperx[8457].text 國防部長的變更
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transcript.whisperx[8458].text 啊
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transcript.whisperx[8460].text 我們現在就是用法律的位階
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transcript.whisperx[8461].text 把它民變
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transcript.whisperx[8462].text 這個才能夠確保
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transcript.whisperx[8463].text 所謂的國防自主
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transcript.whisperx[8464].text 無人宰計的
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transcript.whisperx[8465].text 這樣的一個法律
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transcript.whisperx[8466].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[8468].text 就按照你需求啊
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transcript.whisperx[8469].text 我支持年度那種不編
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transcript.whisperx[8470].text 我年度預算幹嘛要編
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transcript.whisperx[8471].text 對啊
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transcript.whisperx[8472].text 對啊
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transcript.whisperx[8473].text 我就年度預算啊
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transcript.whisperx[8474].text 就按照你的需求啊
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transcript.whisperx[8475].text 你要買你要追價就提出啊
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transcript.whisperx[8476].text 討論這麼多就這差別
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transcript.whisperx[8477].text 這個主席啊我覺得我們
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transcript.whisperx[8478].text 在委員會啊大家是朝野
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transcript.whisperx[8479].text 所以應該是這樣子的對應才對
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transcript.whisperx[8480].text 那第二個就是說
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transcript.whisperx[8481].text 沒有人
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transcript.whisperx[8482].text 會去反對
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transcript.whisperx[8483].text 國防的這個
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transcript.whisperx[8484].text 自主加強
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transcript.whisperx[8485].text 預算
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transcript.whisperx[8486].text 沒有人會反對
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transcript.whisperx[8487].text 所以我們提出兩千四百億
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transcript.whisperx[8488].text 有人反對嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8489].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[8490].text 有人反對嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8491].text 你如果懂得這樣子就我們趕快去審
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transcript.whisperx[8492].text 沒有那個說
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transcript.whisperx[8493].text 如果你一年不需要四百億的
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transcript.whisperx[8496].text 所以真一點就在於剛剛主席所說的
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transcript.whisperx[8497].text 所以我敬你主席來做才事
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transcript.whisperx[8498].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[8499].text 我們
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transcript.whisperx[8500].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[8501].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[8503].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[8510].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[8511].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[8512].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[8513].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[8514].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[8515].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[8518].text 請
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transcript.whisperx[8519].text 報告聯席委員會議
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transcript.whisperx[8520].text 行政院版本
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transcript.whisperx[8521].text 等有十個版本都規定
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transcript.whisperx[8522].text 這個本條
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transcript.whisperx[8523].text 本條例所列預算的執行應依法
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transcript.whisperx[8524].text 辦理審計其中賴氏堡
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transcript.whisperx[8525].text 等委員的版本A
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transcript.whisperx[8526].text 另外要求駐管機關每六個月
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transcript.whisperx[8527].text 向立法院提出專案報告
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transcript.whisperx[8528].text 黃定宇等委員的版本
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transcript.whisperx[8529].text 則徵訂非經立法院同意
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transcript.whisperx[8530].text 不得留用及定期
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transcript.whisperx[8531].text 提出執行報告
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transcript.whisperx[8532].text 其滿總報告
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transcript.whisperx[8534].text 行政部門這邊的建立
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transcript.whisperx[8535].text 是本條例所列的預算的執行
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transcript.whisperx[8536].text 請
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transcript.whisperx[8537].text 決算的審核
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transcript.whisperx[8538].text 問證的質詢以及專案報告
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transcript.whisperx[8539].text 等現行的機制
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transcript.whisperx[8540].text 要求行政機關提供執行情形
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transcript.whisperx[8541].text 建立無需另
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transcript.whisperx[8542].text 立法規範
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transcript.whisperx[8543].text 令有關非經立法院同意不得留用的規定
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transcript.whisperx[8544].text 這個部分我們再看
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transcript.whisperx[8545].text 國安部這邊看是不是同意
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transcript.whisperx[8546].text 來做規範
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transcript.whisperx[8547].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[8548].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[8549].text 沒有,那是保委員,他有加註
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transcript.whisperx[8550].text 現在就是要這樣了
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transcript.whisperx[8551].text 至少有一個條文第六條
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transcript.whisperx[8552].text 第六條就
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transcript.whisperx[8553].text 按照
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transcript.whisperx[8554].text 現在就這樣了
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transcript.whisperx[8555].text 現在就這樣了,你不堅持
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transcript.whisperx[8556].text 來來來
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transcript.whisperx[8557].text 我是呼籲我前面的
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transcript.whisperx[8558].text 強調技術輿轉
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transcript.whisperx[8559].text 六個報告技術輿轉
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transcript.whisperx[8560].text 以及採購進度以及工業合作
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transcript.whisperx[8561].text 就Obset這個相關金塊
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transcript.whisperx[8562].text 這個我不堅持
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transcript.whisperx[8563].text 大家同意
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transcript.whisperx[8564].text 第六條
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transcript.whisperx[8565].text 願保沒有意見
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transcript.whisperx[8566].text 民眾黨團又沒有版本
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transcript.whisperx[8567].text 你們根本沒有講到預算
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transcript.whisperx[8568].text 你們的版本根本沒有預算
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transcript.whisperx[8569].text 第六條就是講那個
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transcript.whisperx[8570].text 預算是執行
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transcript.whisperx[8571].text 你們的條例根本沒有預算要執行
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transcript.whisperx[8572].text 不是這樣子啦
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transcript.whisperx[8573].text 這個這個
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transcript.whisperx[8574].text 那個第六條是因為
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transcript.whisperx[8575].text 有特別預算才有這一條
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transcript.whisperx[8576].text 第一條就保留
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transcript.whisperx[8577].text 國眾兩黨沒有
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transcript.whisperx[8578].text 特別預算所以沒有這一條
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transcript.whisperx[8579].text 所以這一條要保留啦
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transcript.whisperx[8580].text 沒有這一條所以要保留
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transcript.whisperx[8581].text 國眾兩黨沒有的我們都不要審
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transcript.whisperx[8582].text 就直接保留啊
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transcript.whisperx[8583].text 這已經不一樣了不利面吧
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transcript.whisperx[8584].text 因為我沒有特別預算所以我當然不會寫這個
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transcript.whisperx[8586].text 好啦主席還是要講一下
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transcript.whisperx[8587].text 因為我看到你們後面的第五條啦
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transcript.whisperx[8588].text 好啦主席我講一下
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transcript.whisperx[8589].text 你們的第五條你們還定義叫做
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transcript.whisperx[8590].text 發展綱領啦
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transcript.whisperx[8591].text 那麼其實呢其他以特別預算
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transcript.whisperx[8592].text 提出的都是採納
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transcript.whisperx[8593].text 型內容版本本條例所列預算
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transcript.whisperx[8594].text 是執行審計機關因依法
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transcript.whisperx[8595].text 辦理審計這是再明白
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transcript.whisperx[8596].text 不過的道理那至於說
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transcript.whisperx[8597].text 賴氏寶委員的A板因為他一直心繫
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transcript.whisperx[8598].text 說什麼技術移轉等等
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transcript.whisperx[8599].text 看起來很好意事實上很詭計
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transcript.whisperx[8600].text 他就堅持要加第二項那我們也
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transcript.whisperx[8601].text 有尊重啦但是
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transcript.whisperx[8602].text 那個第四民眾黨團的第五條呢
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transcript.whisperx[8603].text 他這裡寫
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transcript.whisperx[8604].text 經濟部應每四年提出
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transcript.whisperx[8605].text 無人機產業發展綱領
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transcript.whisperx[8606].text 每兩年檢討修正
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transcript.whisperx[8607].text 涉及國防運用事項
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transcript.whisperx[8608].text 應會同國防部進行
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transcript.whisperx[8609].text 那為什麼我再提說
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transcript.whisperx[8610].text 今天主席一直沒有分流
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transcript.whisperx[8611].text 就會造成我們這個困擾
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transcript.whisperx[8612].text 其實這個條文如果
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transcript.whisperx[8613].text 嚴格來講
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transcript.whisperx[8614].text 看起來
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transcript.whisperx[8615].text 似乎國家要提出一個
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transcript.whisperx[8616].text 這個無人機
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transcript.whisperx[8617].text 或是無人機你們是不是無人機
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transcript.whisperx[8618].text 我是認為是無人載具產業的發展綱領
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transcript.whisperx[8619].text 訂出一個無人載具產業的發展綱領
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transcript.whisperx[8620].text 不是壞事啊
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transcript.whisperx[8621].text 但是由於砸了你們這個
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transcript.whisperx[8622].text 你們的版本就是有點
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transcript.whisperx[8623].text 突然天外廢了一筆
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transcript.whisperx[8624].text 叫我們看了說有一個發展綱領不錯
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transcript.whisperx[8625].text 但是沒地方擺啊
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transcript.whisperx[8626].text 我們今天討論到目前大家有討論
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transcript.whisperx[8627].text 爭議的都跟這個沒有關係啊
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transcript.whisperx[8628].text 所以這一條好像是天外廢了一筆
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transcript.whisperx[8629].text 讓我們不知道如何面對示好
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transcript.whisperx[8630].text 而且這裡面還說喔
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transcript.whisperx[8631].text 最後一項寫第一項所稱無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[8632].text 無人機產業發展綱領
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transcript.whisperx[8633].text 應依國家無人機產業
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transcript.whisperx[8634].text 發展戰略特別委員
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transcript.whisperx[8635].text 我知道你們設一個戰略特別委員會
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transcript.whisperx[8636].text 我看過喔
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transcript.whisperx[8637].text 還兵經行政院核定
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transcript.whisperx[8638].text 應送立法院備查
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transcript.whisperx[8639].text 哇這個就是大學問了
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transcript.whisperx[8640].text 最近聽說國民黨有
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transcript.whisperx[8641].text 建言說要將國統綱領
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transcript.whisperx[8642].text 繼續來發揚光大
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transcript.whisperx[8643].text 要將國統會恢復運作
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transcript.whisperx[8644].text 老實說啊
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transcript.whisperx[8645].text 當年的國統綱領在總統府那時候
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transcript.whisperx[8646].text 的宣示李登輝前總統在
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transcript.whisperx[8647].text 1991年也沒有送到
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transcript.whisperx[8648].text 立法院來弄一個所謂的
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transcript.whisperx[8649].text 什麼什麼綱領啊
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transcript.whisperx[8650].text 所以呢有盡於處理啊
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transcript.whisperx[8651].text 我是覺得既然如此民眾黨黨團的這個
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transcript.whisperx[8652].text 提案呢其實是可以分流
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transcript.whisperx[8653].text 就不用處理我們就認真的來討論
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transcript.whisperx[8654].text 那個第六條那至於
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transcript.whisperx[8655].text 國民黨的更可笑啦
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transcript.whisperx[8656].text 他說第四條國防部應依
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transcript.whisperx[8657].text 量大價廉
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transcript.whisperx[8658].text 智慧化分布式的原則
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transcript.whisperx[8659].text 這講得不錯嘛定定無人機
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transcript.whisperx[8660].text 無人載具防衛體系
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transcript.whisperx[8661].text 之中長期
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transcript.whisperx[8662].text 發展目標這個很適合
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transcript.whisperx[8663].text 在年度預算的時候放在主決議裡面
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transcript.whisperx[8664].text 並且以兩年滾動檢討
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transcript.whisperx[8665].text 一次並依台海安全
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transcript.whisperx[8666].text 情勢變化及國際先進
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transcript.whisperx[8667].text 國家之發展趨勢調整
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transcript.whisperx[8668].text 這個太像我們在審
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transcript.whisperx[8669].text 立法院在審行政院
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transcript.whisperx[8670].text 年度預算的主決議文
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transcript.whisperx[8671].text 然後經濟部應會同國防部
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transcript.whisperx[8672].text 每年向立法院提出無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[8673].text 提升國防戰力產業發展
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transcript.whisperx[8674].text 科技創新及經濟效益
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transcript.whisperx[8675].text 階段性的發展報告
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transcript.whisperx[8676].text 我是建議啊國民黨團團你們這個
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transcript.whisperx[8677].text 這個條文其實可以放在
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transcript.whisperx[8678].text 我們年度預算審的時候放在主決議
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transcript.whisperx[8679].text 還比較相稱
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transcript.whisperx[8680].text 放在一個
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transcript.whisperx[8681].text 放在一個這樣的一個專法裡面
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transcript.whisperx[8682].text 感覺上有點
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transcript.whisperx[8683].text 有點有點
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transcript.whisperx[8684].text 好像位階上不太對稱
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transcript.whisperx[8685].text 一個私下的建議謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[8686].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[8687].text 拜拜拜拜拜拜
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transcript.whisperx[8688].text 其實各位都誤會了因為
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transcript.whisperx[8689].text 這個預算當然你就會寫到第六條
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transcript.whisperx[8690].text 年度預算就不會有這幾條就這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[8691].text 所以也因為在前面
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transcript.whisperx[8692].text 這邊的不同所以我們第六條
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transcript.whisperx[8693].text 也是一樣保留
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transcript.whisperx[8694].text 然後接下來的話就是跟
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transcript.whisperx[8695].text 也不能講說因為行政院的
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transcript.whisperx[8696].text 條文到這邊就
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transcript.whisperx[8697].text 差不多結束因為他直接就跳到
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transcript.whisperx[8698].text 最後面那個實施的日期了
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transcript.whisperx[8699].text 但是在這裡頭
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transcript.whisperx[8700].text 來講的話基本上
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transcript.whisperx[8701].text 這個是回到我們早上談的問題
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transcript.whisperx[8702].text 我們就提我們的版本
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transcript.whisperx[8703].text 我們現在已經把它整了
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transcript.whisperx[8704].text 把它整了
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transcript.whisperx[8705].text 整成是這樣因為就像後來
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transcript.whisperx[8706].text 中嘉賓委員後面也是一樣有些是
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transcript.whisperx[8707].text 也只有你的這一個到產
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transcript.whisperx[8708].text 因為行政院版也沒有行政院版
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transcript.whisperx[8709].text 也沒有
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transcript.whisperx[8710].text 不是啊
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transcript.whisperx[8711].text 我就一條一條我已經幫你們整理好了
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transcript.whisperx[8712].text 所以就一條一條來就這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[8713].text 經紀人會這邊開始
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transcript.whisperx[8714].text 你要有一個follow的順序嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8715].text 對啊所以現在就是第14頁
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transcript.whisperx[8716].text 第14頁
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transcript.whisperx[8717].text 國民黨的第四條
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transcript.whisperx[8718].text 國民黨的第四條
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transcript.whisperx[8719].text 跟台灣民眾黨團的第五條
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transcript.whisperx[8720].text 我跟甘迷
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transcript.whisperx[8721].text 沒有國統 康寧
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transcript.whisperx[8722].text 五決一就可以了
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transcript.whisperx[8723].text 五決一了
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transcript.whisperx[8724].text 好那就是兩個版本我們都保留啊
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transcript.whisperx[8725].text 再來是國民黨黨團的提案的第五條
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transcript.whisperx[8726].text 這個反對啦
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transcript.whisperx[8727].text 那個我要不要請教一下
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transcript.whisperx[8728].text 這你們現在看起來就是要馬上又過水過去了
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transcript.whisperx[8729].text 來我請教一下國民黨團的提案
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transcript.whisperx[8730].text 是不是能夠請國民黨說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[8731].text 第四條
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transcript.whisperx[8732].text 國防部應依量大
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transcript.whisperx[8733].text 價廉
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transcript.whisperx[8734].text 智慧化分布式
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transcript.whisperx[8735].text 資源擇
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transcript.whisperx[8736].text 分布式資源擇
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transcript.whisperx[8737].text 訂定無人載具防衛
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transcript.whisperx[8738].text 體系之中長期
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transcript.whisperx[8739].text 發展目標
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transcript.whisperx[8740].text 並每兩年滾動檢討一次
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transcript.whisperx[8741].text 請問這是什麼意思
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transcript.whisperx[8742].text 來那個國防部
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transcript.whisperx[8743].text 不是啊
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transcript.whisperx[8744].text 那個就是保留了
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transcript.whisperx[8745].text 就你兩個性質不同嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8746].text 來我請教我可不可以請教一下國民黨黨團
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transcript.whisperx[8747].text 國民黨黨團你們寫這個條文
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transcript.whisperx[8748].text 這個是要怎麼執行
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transcript.whisperx[8749].text 是要怎麼做
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transcript.whisperx[8750].text 這個國防部能不能回應一下
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transcript.whisperx[8751].text 什麼叫做量大
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transcript.whisperx[8752].text 價廉
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transcript.whisperx[8753].text 智慧化分布式
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transcript.whisperx[8754].text 請問這是要怎麼做
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transcript.whisperx[8755].text 啊那寫條文的人是誰
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transcript.whisperx[8756].text 可以說來說明一下嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8757].text 我用台語說什麼
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transcript.whisperx[8758].text 量大價廉
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transcript.whisperx[8759].text 就是CP值高
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transcript.whisperx[8760].text 就簡單
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transcript.whisperx[8761].text CP值高
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transcript.whisperx[8762].text 智慧化分布式就是
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transcript.whisperx[8763].text 這個去中
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transcript.whisperx[8764].text 去中心話不是我不講
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transcript.whisperx[8765].text 尊重你的寫出來
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transcript.whisperx[8766].text 這個條文提出來
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transcript.whisperx[8767].text 你要量大價廉
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transcript.whisperx[8768].text 國防的採購一定是要
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transcript.whisperx[8769].text 需求是什麼就買什麼
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transcript.whisperx[8770].text 怎麼會寫量大價廉
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transcript.whisperx[8771].text 分布式
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transcript.whisperx[8772].text 台語就是念過
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transcript.whisperx[8773].text 然後決議了
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transcript.whisperx[8774].text 不是啦這個台語
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transcript.whisperx[8775].text 台語念過決議
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transcript.whisperx[8776].text 這一條沒討論
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transcript.whisperx[8777].text 現在不是要討論這一條
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transcript.whisperx[8778].text 現在到第15條
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transcript.whisperx[8779].text 到第15後的第
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transcript.whisperx[8780].text 國民黨團的第5條了
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transcript.whisperx[8781].text 好啦那沒關係那我現在回來第4條請教一下可以嗎主席
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transcript.whisperx[8782].text 為什麼不可以
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transcript.whisperx[8783].text 立法院是什麼決議
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transcript.whisperx[8784].text 請問你們誰聽到的人這是什麼意思
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transcript.whisperx[8785].text 你剛剛也在會議當中
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transcript.whisperx[8786].text 你如果沒有在會議當中
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transcript.whisperx[8787].text 剛剛已經會議當中
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transcript.whisperx[8788].text 你也在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[8789].text 對啊你已經從頭到尾
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transcript.whisperx[8790].text 那個主席已經
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transcript.whisperx[8791].text 有注意覺得你沒聽到嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8792].text 讓我說明一下什麼可以叫量大價廉
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transcript.whisperx[8793].text 分布性嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8794].text 對我剛剛已經念完保留了
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transcript.whisperx[8795].text 主席啊
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transcript.whisperx[8796].text 你要這樣子念的話
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transcript.whisperx[8797].text 你就直接每一條就念保留
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transcript.whisperx[8798].text 我們不要在這裡花一整天的時間嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8799].text 你除了過水以外你還是放水嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8800].text 胡搞入瞎搞
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transcript.whisperx[8801].text 我比你得分
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transcript.whisperx[8802].text 你這樣練過就算了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8803].text 幫我們當什麼東西啊
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transcript.whisperx[8804].text 我比你的財政委員會好一點
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transcript.whisperx[8805].text 真的
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transcript.whisperx[8806].text 你不要跟別人比啦
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transcript.whisperx[8807].text 誰是財政委員會的
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transcript.whisperx[8808].text 今天我們本來就是要認真討論啦
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transcript.whisperx[8809].text 以前全專條例不就是這樣子嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8810].text 全專條例怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[8811].text 你們還不是拿全專條例來當你們的戰績
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transcript.whisperx[8812].text 沒有啦
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transcript.whisperx[8813].text 來國民黨農村集合第五條
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transcript.whisperx[8814].text 請說明
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transcript.whisperx[8815].text 請說明主席
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transcript.whisperx[8816].text 請說明
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transcript.whisperx[8817].text 白習剛剛的提問請說明請回答
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transcript.whisperx[8818].text 剛剛賴世寶也回答了
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transcript.whisperx[8819].text 聽不懂請說明
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transcript.whisperx[8820].text 我不是國防部長
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transcript.whisperx[8821].text 我也不是經濟部次長
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transcript.whisperx[8822].text 我們一定要回答你
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transcript.whisperx[8823].text 這個已經念過去的一個提案
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transcript.whisperx[8824].text 已經是保留的
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transcript.whisperx[8825].text 你要回去
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transcript.whisperx[8826].text 大家講在一遍
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transcript.whisperx[8827].text 立委彼此尊重好不好
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transcript.whisperx[8828].text 我們是監督
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transcript.whisperx[8829].text 這樣吵架就沒有意思了
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transcript.whisperx[8830].text 我們是監督行政部門
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transcript.whisperx[8831].text 我們是有權利
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transcript.whisperx[8832].text 要求行政部門
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transcript.whisperx[8833].text 做說明
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transcript.whisperx[8834].text 所以你再兇再怎麼樣再尖銳
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transcript.whisperx[8835].text 都應該去針對行政部門
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transcript.whisperx[8836].text 針對立委之間
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transcript.whisperx[8837].text 老實講這打通宅宅咧啦
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transcript.whisperx[8838].text 只是在搞這裡
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transcript.whisperx[8839].text 吵這個架沒有意思啦
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transcript.whisperx[8840].text 可以支持嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8841].text 這個就是阿爸啦
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transcript.whisperx[8842].text 人家在提問你們就直接第六條第七條第八條就過去了
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transcript.whisperx[8843].text 這就是阿爸嘛
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transcript.whisperx[8844].text 我們現在說
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transcript.whisperx[8845].text 我們還在進行國民黨黨堂提案第五條
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transcript.whisperx[8846].text 這不很好
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transcript.whisperx[8847].text 對國民黨黨團的第五條
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transcript.whisperx[8848].text 一定要講嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8849].text 對,那邊就說明了
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transcript.whisperx[8850].text 這不用說明啦
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transcript.whisperx[8851].text 那我來問一下
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transcript.whisperx[8852].text 這個第五條
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transcript.whisperx[8853].text 我來看一下現在講台灣調寶第十五頁
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transcript.whisperx[8854].text 我知道現在我們的主席
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transcript.whisperx[8855].text 辛吉如粉希望趕快能夠
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transcript.whisperx[8856].text 早點
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transcript.whisperx[8857].text 第五條
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transcript.whisperx[8858].text 第五條
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transcript.whisperx[8859].text 無人載具防衛
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transcript.whisperx[8860].text 體系之規劃
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transcript.whisperx[8861].text 應遵循分布式任性原則
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transcript.whisperx[8862].text 我想念到這裡沒有人反對
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transcript.whisperx[8863].text 避免集中部署或集中生產
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transcript.whisperx[8864].text 我想這也沒有人想要集中
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transcript.whisperx[8865].text 部署跟集中生產
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transcript.whisperx[8866].text 俄羅斯也不會這樣做
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transcript.whisperx[8867].text 但是第一款
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transcript.whisperx[8868].text 無人載具自生產基地應分布於至少三個不同縣市
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transcript.whisperx[8869].text 不得集中於單一地理區域
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transcript.whisperx[8870].text 以降低遭受集中打擊之風險
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transcript.whisperx[8871].text 講得很好啊
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transcript.whisperx[8872].text 但是不知道怎麼定義啊
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transcript.whisperx[8873].text 單一地理區域
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transcript.whisperx[8874].text 屏東跟高雄算不算單一地理區
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transcript.whisperx[8875].text 台南高雄屏東算不算單一地理區域
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transcript.whisperx[8876].text 那如果分布在台南屏東
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transcript.whisperx[8877].text 高雄三個縣市不同縣市
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transcript.whisperx[8878].text 這樣有沒有算達成這個條文
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transcript.whisperx[8879].text 所規定的要求
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transcript.whisperx[8880].text 還是說
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transcript.whisperx[8881].text 單一地理區域是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[8882].text 我是覺得法律條文
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transcript.whisperx[8883].text 如果是寫原則性的
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transcript.whisperx[8884].text 指導是可以
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transcript.whisperx[8885].text 法律條文顯成這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[8886].text 我們真的不曉得未來如何去認定
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transcript.whisperx[8887].text 他的有沒有依法執行
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transcript.whisperx[8888].text 第二款無人載具自戰備
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transcript.whisperx[8889].text 儲存因分散於不同據點
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transcript.whisperx[8890].text 我想
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transcript.whisperx[8891].text 不要說是我們顧部長當部長啦
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transcript.whisperx[8892].text 現在
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transcript.whisperx[8893].text 也不用像烏克蘭以前的蘇發部長
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transcript.whisperx[8894].text 去當國防部長的樣子啦
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transcript.whisperx[8895].text 任何只要看過好萊塢電影的都知道
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transcript.whisperx[8896].text 戰備儲存怎麼可能不分散
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transcript.whisperx[8897].text 至於單一儲存存量
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transcript.whisperx[8898].text 不得超過總戰備存量的25%
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transcript.whisperx[8899].text 我就不曉得這個
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transcript.whisperx[8900].text 1%是怎麼推算出來的啦
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transcript.whisperx[8901].text 第一個條文喔
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transcript.whisperx[8902].text 要訂定喔 除了能夠明確可以執行之外
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transcript.whisperx[8903].text 要告訴大家
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transcript.whisperx[8904].text 那為什麼不是1% 為什麼不是1%
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transcript.whisperx[8905].text 為什麼是1%
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transcript.whisperx[8906].text 無人載具第三款無人載具操作及指揮系統
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transcript.whisperx[8907].text 因建立分散式備援架構
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transcript.whisperx[8908].text 從頭到尾都是分散分散再分散
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transcript.whisperx[8909].text 確保單點失效不致
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transcript.whisperx[8910].text 癱瘓整體作戰能力
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transcript.whisperx[8911].text 這個有需要寫嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8912].text 哪一個人當國防部長會去把無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[8913].text 做集中式的
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transcript.whisperx[8914].text 缺乏韌性的分布
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transcript.whisperx[8915].text 所以這個好比在我們挑溫協啊
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transcript.whisperx[8916].text 本預算之執行必須太陽從東邊
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transcript.whisperx[8917].text 升起來才可以執行
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transcript.whisperx[8918].text 太陽從東邊升起來不就是我本來就應該如此的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8919].text 還需要你挑溫協
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transcript.whisperx[8920].text 本預..本..本條例之執行
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transcript.whisperx[8921].text 必須是太陽從東邊升起來
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transcript.whisperx[8922].text 所以我們是覺得今天
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transcript.whisperx[8923].text 好我們來一度懷疑說
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transcript.whisperx[8924].text 這個賴委員的版本
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transcript.whisperx[8925].text A版的部分感覺上之前
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transcript.whisperx[8926].text 前幾條看起來有點道理
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transcript.whisperx[8927].text 到國民黨的版本終於知道了
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transcript.whisperx[8928].text 為什麼國民黨黨團版本出來之後
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transcript.whisperx[8929].text 要趕快由賴斯巴爾委員推出
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transcript.whisperx[8930].text AB兩版因為國民黨黨團
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transcript.whisperx[8931].text 版本說的是一句話
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transcript.whisperx[8932].text 出師表啊
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transcript.whisperx[8933].text 靈表剔氣不知所云啊
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transcript.whisperx[8934].text 寫這些理所當然的事情放在條文裡面
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transcript.whisperx[8935].text 你一個主決意就可以啦
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transcript.whisperx[8936].text 立法院常常這種主決意啊理所當然的事情
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transcript.whisperx[8937].text 再重申一遍
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transcript.whisperx[8938].text 放在條文完全沒有必要
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transcript.whisperx[8939].text 本席建議這第五條根本拿掉
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transcript.whisperx[8940].text 來賴斯巴爾委員
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transcript.whisperx[8941].text 我再回過來我覺得我們的
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transcript.whisperx[8942].text 憲政大家能夠坐在這裡就是
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transcript.whisperx[8943].text 我們的憲法給我們這樣的職權
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transcript.whisperx[8944].text 我們職權
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transcript.whisperx[8945].text 就是來監督行政部門
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transcript.whisperx[8946].text 所以我就請教
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transcript.whisperx[8947].text 我覺得這個答案不是叫國民黨團來回答
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transcript.whisperx[8948].text 國民黨團提案已經寫出來了
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transcript.whisperx[8949].text 不是叫我們回答我們沒有當家
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transcript.whisperx[8950].text 請顧部長
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transcript.whisperx[8951].text 表達意見第第五條
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transcript.whisperx[8952].text 你能不能夠接受你告訴我們
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transcript.whisperx[8953].text 就這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[8954].text 你可以接受我們就不能接受我們就
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transcript.whisperx[8955].text 就這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[8956].text 太陽從後面升出來你能不能接受
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transcript.whisperx[8957].text 太陽從後面升出來你能不能接受
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transcript.whisperx[8960].text 要跟我們說
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transcript.whisperx[8961].text 你的國防部的立場
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transcript.whisperx[8962].text 可以接受國民黨團第五條
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transcript.whisperx[8963].text 可不可以
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transcript.whisperx[8964].text 請部長
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transcript.whisperx[8965].text 主席 各位委員我想
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transcript.whisperx[8966].text 條文不是我們國防部訂的
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transcript.whisperx[8967].text 我只是提出我個人從物資上看的
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transcript.whisperx[8968].text 一些疑點
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transcript.whisperx[8969].text 第一點就是說無人載具包含的範圍
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transcript.whisperx[8970].text 甚廣
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transcript.whisperx[8971].text 生產基地指的是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[8972].text 是指每個關鍵的零組件的生產
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transcript.whisperx[8973].text 還是整機的生產
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transcript.whisperx[8974].text 那還有所有的相關的
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transcript.whisperx[8975].text 無人載具那個範圍
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transcript.whisperx[8976].text 這麼多
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transcript.whisperx[8977].text 那這個所謂的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[8978].text 是指單一的無人載具的
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transcript.whisperx[8979].text 還是指每一個
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transcript.whisperx[8980].text 項目的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[8982].text 那第二個就是說
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transcript.whisperx[8984].text 有關於單一據點的儲存量不可以超過
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transcript.whisperx[8985].text 我個人覺得我們戰備的這個儲存量
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transcript.whisperx[8986].text 要多少
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transcript.whisperx[8987].text 這個我們不需要
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transcript.whisperx[8988].text 在立法裡面
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transcript.whisperx[8989].text 公開的來
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transcript.whisperx[8990].text 對我們做任何有關
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transcript.whisperx[8991].text 我們相關部署上面的一個要求
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transcript.whisperx[8992].text 我們的我們應該要
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transcript.whisperx[8993].text 怎麼樣的一個部署我們國防部
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transcript.whisperx[8994].text 會本以我們的專業來進行
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transcript.whisperx[8995].text 那至於無人載具是操作指引
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transcript.whisperx[8996].text 以及指揮系統應建立什麼什麼什麼
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transcript.whisperx[8997].text 確保單年我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[8998].text 這樣子的一個規範
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transcript.whisperx[8999].text 我必須要
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transcript.whisperx[9000].text 這個有規範跟沒規範
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transcript.whisperx[9001].text 沒有規範
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transcript.whisperx[9002].text 跟有規範的意義在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[9003].text 也就是說
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transcript.whisperx[9004].text 就我來看任何的條
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transcript.whisperx[9005].text 任何的立法都要有其
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transcript.whisperx[9008].text 那我沒有辦法能夠理解
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transcript.whisperx[9009].text 這些規範的目的的意義
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transcript.whisperx[9010].text 是在什麼地方我沒有辦法能夠理解
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transcript.whisperx[9011].text 啊
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transcript.whisperx[9012].text 好所以部長應該也沒辦法確認
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transcript.whisperx[9013].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[9014].text 主席我其實針對第五條
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transcript.whisperx[9015].text 認為有疑義的地方
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transcript.whisperx[9016].text 是在於基於國安
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transcript.whisperx[9017].text 的需求喔我們這些
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transcript.whisperx[9019].text 提出來的是要求分佈
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transcript.whisperx[9020].text 至少三個不同的縣市
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transcript.whisperx[9021].text 然後不得集中於單一
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transcript.whisperx[9022].text 的區域首先呢就像
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transcript.whisperx[9023].text 剛剛顧部長提到的無人載具是
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transcript.whisperx[9024].text 指無人機無人艇
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transcript.whisperx[9025].text 啊等等的全部的
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transcript.whisperx[9026].text 那你
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transcript.whisperx[9027].text 無人機無人艇或等等你說不可以
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transcript.whisperx[9031].text 跟佈點其實這是國家
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transcript.whisperx[9032].text 機密吧
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transcript.whisperx[9034].text 訂定了之後那是不是
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transcript.whisperx[9035].text 要到立法院來說明
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transcript.whisperx[9036].text 公佈
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transcript.whisperx[9037].text 那這可不是大剌剌的跟
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transcript.whisperx[9039].text 我這邊有無人機喔而且
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transcript.whisperx[9040].text 有什麼樣的無人機喔我這邊有無人
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transcript.whisperx[9041].text 艦喔啊然後我分佈
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transcript.whisperx[9042].text 什麼樣的地方喔然後
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transcript.whisperx[9043].text 我現在這個所謂無人
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transcript.whisperx[9044].text 載具的所謂儲存
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transcript.whisperx[9045].text 那他說不可以在同樣一個
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transcript.whisperx[9046].text 據點嘛單一又
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transcript.whisperx[9047].text 存量不可以超過25%
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transcript.whisperx[9048].text 那為了驗證
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transcript.whisperx[9049].text 是不是有欺騙國會
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transcript.whisperx[9050].text 然後國會的立法所以要請顧
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transcript.whisperx[9051].text 顧部長來報告
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transcript.whisperx[9052].text 所以這不是把我們的戰力
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transcript.whisperx[9053].text 分佈點以及他的
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transcript.whisperx[9054].text 到底他的戰備在什麼地方
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transcript.whisperx[9055].text 啊不都見光被看到了嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9056].text 但是我們也知道我們因應
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transcript.whisperx[9057].text 國防需求我們有一些
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transcript.whisperx[9058].text 地方的佈點他可能
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transcript.whisperx[9059].text 第一線面對的壓力很大
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transcript.whisperx[9060].text 所以他可能會密集度高一點
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transcript.whisperx[9065].text 那因為現在有一個25%
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transcript.whisperx[9066].text 在這裡我想請問
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transcript.whisperx[9067].text 這樣子合理嗎我真的是
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transcript.whisperx[9068].text 在一個國防委員的立場我認為這一條
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transcript.whisperx[9069].text 的利益
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transcript.whisperx[9070].text 看似要均衡
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transcript.whisperx[9071].text 發展但事實上
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transcript.whisperx[9072].text 是不是在幫中國
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transcript.whisperx[9073].text 或我們的敵國來對外
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transcript.whisperx[9074].text 洩密這是會有強烈
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transcript.whisperx[9075].text 的我認為國安上面的危機
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transcript.whisperx[9076].text 所以我覺得萬萬不可這不
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transcript.whisperx[9077].text 應該是保留啊這應該
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transcript.whisperx[9078].text 就是直接讓他不要立法
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transcript.whisperx[9079].text 才對啊不然我們的
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transcript.whisperx[9080].text 所有無人載具不是
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transcript.whisperx[9081].text 全都漏了嗎那這個到底是
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transcript.whisperx[9082].text 為誰而立法我真的強烈
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transcript.whisperx[9083].text 的懷疑如果要過這一
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transcript.whisperx[9084].text 條到底是中國叫你
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transcript.whisperx[9085].text 公佈這些東西還是你的
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transcript.whisperx[9086].text 敵國要你幹這些事情
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transcript.whisperx[9087].text 為什麼要讓我們的國防全都漏
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transcript.whisperx[9088].text 你到底為誰而立法是
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transcript.whisperx[9089].text 為了中華民國立法還是為了中華
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transcript.whisperx[9090].text 人民共和國立法
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transcript.whisperx[9091].text 造謠
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transcript.whisperx[9092].text 第一個啊
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transcript.whisperx[9093].text 無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[9094].text 你說我造謠那你現在
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transcript.whisperx[9095].text 是不是就向國防全都漏你講
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transcript.whisperx[9096].text 生話25%是什麼意思
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transcript.whisperx[9097].text 國防部長他自然會說
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transcript.whisperx[9098].text 這不能公開他自然會
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transcript.whisperx[9099].text 這樣說
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transcript.whisperx[9100].text 你現在立法叫他不能公開
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transcript.whisperx[9101].text 你是要他公然違法是不是
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transcript.whisperx[9102].text 你今天腳在哪個地方啊
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transcript.whisperx[9103].text 你這什麼意思啊我知道
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transcript.whisperx[9104].text 你才是有愛國安的你到底是
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transcript.whisperx[9105].text 中華人民共和國派來的是不是
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transcript.whisperx[9106].text 你領誰的薪水啊
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transcript.whisperx[9107].text 這裡面是誰
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transcript.whisperx[9108].text 公佈這些現實
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transcript.whisperx[9109].text 要這些戰暴力不能超過25%
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transcript.whisperx[9110].text 你要我呈現地生為誰而戰
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transcript.whisperx[9111].text 你今天是要我們國防部的前線
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transcript.whisperx[9112].text 你剛剛怎麼回事
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transcript.whisperx[9113].text 我告訴你你現在頭上花紅
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transcript.whisperx[9114].text 只會馬紅
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transcript.whisperx[9115].text 還穿得這麼紅
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transcript.whisperx[9117].text 我穿得紅但是我不笑
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transcript.whisperx[9118].text 你剛剛身上的民共和國
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transcript.whisperx[9119].text 民團委員你會說
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transcript.whisperx[9120].text 我心正不舒服
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transcript.whisperx[9121].text 只會馬紅
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transcript.whisperx[9122].text 謝謝三分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[9123].text 謝謝三分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[9124].text 我穿一身紅怕人家抹紅
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transcript.whisperx[9125].text 因為我
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transcript.whisperx[9126].text 效忠於我的國家
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transcript.whisperx[9127].text 不像你你敢穿紅的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9128].text 你根本就在你頭上花紅
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transcript.whisperx[9129].text 下一條更誇張
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transcript.whisperx[9130].text 對呀這個立法品質
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transcript.whisperx[9131].text 實在是不敢穿紅
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transcript.whisperx[9132].text 不省不知道省得嚇一跳
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transcript.whisperx[9133].text 沒關係
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transcript.whisperx[9134].text 德文
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transcript.whisperx[9135].text 不是英文
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transcript.whisperx[9136].text 我跨一山目的是為了
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transcript.whisperx[9137].text 一母親生長大
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transcript.whisperx[9138].text 和英不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[9139].text 和
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transcript.whisperx[9140].text 和
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transcript.whisperx[9141].text 因為這樣就是會2027
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transcript.whisperx[9142].text 如果早一點的話立委會早一點
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transcript.whisperx[9143].text 對對對
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transcript.whisperx[9144].text 一切都會到你一馬就比較清楚
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transcript.whisperx[9145].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9146].text 很特別
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transcript.whisperx[9147].text 很特別
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transcript.whisperx[9148].text 他最近很特別
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transcript.whisperx[9149].text 很特別
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transcript.whisperx[9150].text 一樣
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transcript.whisperx[9151].text 那個他那會很早走
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transcript.whisperx[9152].text 因為我們這邊
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transcript.whisperx[9153].text 大概他們撐不了一個小時
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transcript.whisperx[9154].text 他們大概撐不了
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transcript.whisperx[9155].text 館長撐不了一個小時
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transcript.whisperx[9156].text 你看志偉有沒有馬上
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transcript.whisperx[9157].text 要那個
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transcript.whisperx[9158].text 沒關係
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transcript.whisperx[9159].text 五點可以刷嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9160].text 四點可以刷嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9161].text 哎
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transcript.whisperx[9162].text 哎
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transcript.whisperx[9163].text 嗯
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transcript.whisperx[9164].text 四點半
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transcript.whisperx[9165].text 啊
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transcript.whisperx[9166].text 啊
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transcript.whisperx[9168].text 好不好
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transcript.whisperx[9169].text 你不要乖一點
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transcript.whisperx[9171].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9173].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9174].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9175].text 好等一下
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transcript.whisperx[9176].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9177].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9181].text 就把它念完每個都反對
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transcript.whisperx[9183].text 最後只能一個條款
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transcript.whisperx[9185].text 我們只要付第七條
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transcript.whisperx[9187].text 國民黨黨同提案的第五條
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transcript.whisperx[9194].text 宗嘉兵委員第十二條
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transcript.whisperx[9196].text 提案的第十一條
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transcript.whisperx[9205].text 可不可行
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transcript.whisperx[9215].text 是經濟部規劃嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9216].text 對啊我們這邊是有
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transcript.whisperx[9232].text 持續來規劃建置
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transcript.whisperx[9234].text 副院長也有一個
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transcript.whisperx[9239].text 既然已經有這樣的機制
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transcript.whisperx[9240].text 然後再加上說目前我們還有一個
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transcript.whisperx[9244].text 然後如果
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transcript.whisperx[9245].text 業界有需要的話
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transcript.whisperx[9249].text 及場域內來適用
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transcript.whisperx[9250].text 經核准的這個
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transcript.whisperx[9251].text 法規調試
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transcript.whisperx[9253].text 另外立法規範
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transcript.whisperx[9254].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[9255].text 好 國防部
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transcript.whisperx[9256].text 主席 各位委員
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transcript.whisperx[9257].text 那個我想第一個國民黨
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transcript.whisperx[9258].text 團體案的說國防部要會同
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transcript.whisperx[9259].text 地方政府 我想
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transcript.whisperx[9260].text 就這個部分我們難以想像
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transcript.whisperx[9261].text 就是說國防部有任何的立場
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transcript.whisperx[9262].text 可以來就這個
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transcript.whisperx[9263].text 涉及到跨中央各部會
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transcript.whisperx[9264].text 的這個部分單純
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transcript.whisperx[9265].text 由國防部來會同地方政府
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transcript.whisperx[9266].text 來就本條例第五條所定的
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transcript.whisperx[9267].text 不同地理區域來規劃至少
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transcript.whisperx[9268].text 三處經用共識
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transcript.whisperx[9269].text 共用測試的這個場合
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transcript.whisperx[9270].text 沒有 我想這涉及到相當
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transcript.whisperx[9271].text 多的部會
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transcript.whisperx[9272].text 這是行政院層級的
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transcript.whisperx[9273].text 部分不可能由國防部直接
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transcript.whisperx[9275].text 那有關這個民眾黨團所提的
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transcript.whisperx[9277].text 或軍事線作為軍用無人機
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transcript.whisperx[9278].text 系統專門測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[9279].text 我想這個部分如果說是國防部
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transcript.whisperx[9280].text 專門作為軍用測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[9281].text 我認為也不以立法的方式
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transcript.whisperx[9282].text 來覓定在這個地方
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transcript.whisperx[9283].text 這個是並不適當的
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transcript.whisperx[9284].text 立法的模式
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transcript.whisperx[9285].text 國防部就表示意見到這裡
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transcript.whisperx[9286].text 好 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9287].text 請中央辯委員
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transcript.whisperx[9288].text 主席我們現在看到條文6到16及17
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transcript.whisperx[9289].text 我真的也是很
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transcript.whisperx[9290].text 訝異
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transcript.whisperx[9291].text 我的版本第12條的測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[9292].text 居然跟
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transcript.whisperx[9294].text 放在一起
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transcript.whisperx[9295].text 其實內容是大相徑庭
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transcript.whisperx[9296].text 剛剛邱委員問我說這個測試場域你怎麼有測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[9297].text 這就是主席在上午的時候
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transcript.whisperx[9298].text 並沒有做分流的結果
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transcript.whisperx[9300].text 但是第12條呢第一段就
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transcript.whisperx[9301].text 第一項就是說委員會因會同
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transcript.whisperx[9302].text 相關目的事業主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[9303].text 與本條例
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transcript.whisperx[9304].text 施行期間 好
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transcript.whisperx[9307].text 我剛剛不開心剛剛部部長把這個委員會說成是以為
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transcript.whisperx[9310].text 我的條文 條文對到
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transcript.whisperx[9311].text 第28條
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transcript.whisperx[9312].text 我的條文第三條就寫
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transcript.whisperx[9313].text 行政院因設無人
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transcript.whisperx[9314].text 載具自主發展委員會
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transcript.whisperx[9319].text 產業發展 採購及
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transcript.whisperx[9320].text 本條例之相關政策
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transcript.whisperx[9321].text 協調這些政策 計畫
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transcript.whisperx[9322].text 以及跨機關事項
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transcript.whisperx[9323].text 並就各機關推動進行管考
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transcript.whisperx[9324].text 它就像是一個行政院
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transcript.whisperx[9325].text 層級的這個專案小組
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transcript.whisperx[9326].text 只是說有條文明文規定
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transcript.whisperx[9327].text 要
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transcript.whisperx[9328].text 訂定這樣的一個委員會
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transcript.whisperx[9329].text 委員會之組成任務
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transcript.whisperx[9330].text 運作方式及利益回避 看到沒有
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transcript.whisperx[9331].text 保密義務
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transcript.whisperx[9333].text 由行政院另以辦法定制
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transcript.whisperx[9334].text 本席的版本很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[9337].text 兩千一百億的特別預算採購
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transcript.whisperx[9340].text 中央層級的
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transcript.whisperx[9342].text 這個委員會要做什麼事情
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transcript.whisperx[9345].text 第十二條的測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[9346].text 這個測試場域看起來也在講
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transcript.whisperx[9348].text 民眾黨的第五條 第七條也很像 不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[9349].text 他這裡寫說
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transcript.whisperx[9350].text 委員會應該
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transcript.whisperx[9351].text 要去積極的化設或指定
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transcript.whisperx[9355].text 為什麼 因為目前
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transcript.whisperx[9360].text 這些
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transcript.whisperx[9361].text 那前項的測試第二項
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transcript.whisperx[9362].text 我的第二項寫前項的測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[9366].text 我跟大家報告一下
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transcript.whisperx[9367].text 目前長城的無人載具如果從
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transcript.whisperx[9368].text 路上要飛到海上 他有可能
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transcript.whisperx[9370].text 他的空域
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transcript.whisperx[9373].text 是屬於農噴機也好
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transcript.whisperx[9374].text 空拍機也好 分別由高雄市政府
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transcript.whisperx[9376].text 那我一個高屏西上的空域到底是要跟誰申請
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transcript.whisperx[9379].text 所以我們才認為
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transcript.whisperx[9381].text 像這樣的測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[9384].text 來協助
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transcript.whisperx[9385].text 就這樣的測試廊套來畫設
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transcript.whisperx[9387].text 他要去會商相關的
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transcript.whisperx[9388].text 地方政府 是基於這樣的思考
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transcript.whisperx[9389].text 我們尊重現在
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transcript.whisperx[9390].text 民用航空法當中的無人機專章
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transcript.whisperx[9391].text 所設定的空域主管
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transcript.whisperx[9392].text 地方主管機關的
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transcript.whisperx[9393].text 權限 我們希望
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transcript.whisperx[9394].text 不要受制於這個 不然的話
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transcript.whisperx[9395].text 我從高屏西 高雄管還是屏東管
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transcript.whisperx[9396].text 我從高屏西
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transcript.whisperx[9397].text 從出海口 出到小琉球
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transcript.whisperx[9398].text 請問我出那個港面的時候
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transcript.whisperx[9399].text 我會經過什麼 我會經過交通部
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transcript.whisperx[9400].text 那個航港局
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transcript.whisperx[9401].text 他們管理的這個漁港
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transcript.whisperx[9402].text 交通港 觀光港 那我要不要去
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transcript.whisperx[9403].text 跟他申請
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transcript.whisperx[9404].text 所以我這個條文當中
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transcript.whisperx[9405].text 很清楚的是在講測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[9406].text 需要有一個委員會
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transcript.whisperx[9407].text 行政院層級的來協調各相關主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[9408].text 這是有實務上的需要
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transcript.whisperx[9409].text 但是我們看國民黨跟民主黨是甚麼呢
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transcript.whisperx[9410].text 他說國防部應會同
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transcript.whisperx[9411].text 剛剛顧問長說了國防部要怎麼去會同
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transcript.whisperx[9412].text 而且是甚麼 針對他的第五條
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transcript.whisperx[9413].text 所訂的不同地理區域
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transcript.whisperx[9414].text 規劃至少三處的居民共用
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transcript.whisperx[9415].text 測試場所 怎麼把這個
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transcript.whisperx[9416].text 測試場所的義務 規則
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transcript.whisperx[9417].text 給國防部按照第五條的方式
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transcript.whisperx[9418].text 來設置 這根本就是莫名其妙
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transcript.whisperx[9419].text 本末倒置的事情
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transcript.whisperx[9420].text 我們是要幫助產業解除智庫
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transcript.whisperx[9421].text 解除束縛
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transcript.whisperx[9422].text 不是莫名其妙要求國防部去做他
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transcript.whisperx[9423].text 跟他一個戰備訓練無關的事務
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transcript.whisperx[9424].text 所以國民黨這個版本跟本席的
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transcript.whisperx[9425].text 第二次要放在一起 我真的覺得莫名其妙
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transcript.whisperx[9426].text 這就是因為我們版本沒有分流
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transcript.whisperx[9427].text 造成了本席的條文
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transcript.whisperx[9428].text 跟國民黨那個版本第五條的
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transcript.whisperx[9429].text 串在一起 我的應該跟第三條串在一起
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transcript.whisperx[9430].text 再來講民眾黨團好了
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transcript.whisperx[9431].text 也是一樣 經濟部應會
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transcript.whisperx[9432].text 從相關主管機關去劃設
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transcript.whisperx[9433].text 無人機測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[9434].text 測試走廊及示範區
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transcript.whisperx[9435].text 好啦 那怎麼做 如果真的要認真
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transcript.whisperx[9436].text 來講 本席的寫法很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[9437].text 現在遇到甚麼問題
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transcript.whisperx[9438].text 遇到跨入海空的問題
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transcript.whisperx[9439].text 遇到跨縣市轄區的問題
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transcript.whisperx[9440].text 這些才是真正的問題
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transcript.whisperx[9441].text 那麼如果民眾黨的版本都要寫
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transcript.whisperx[9442].text 還不如用我的版本
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transcript.whisperx[9443].text 還有寫國防部應盤點適當的軍事演習
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transcript.whisperx[9444].text 或軍事訓練場所
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transcript.whisperx[9445].text 作為軍用無人機測試的系統的專門測試場
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transcript.whisperx[9446].text 國防部要怎麼去測試他的軍用無人機
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transcript.whisperx[9447].text 還要你立法給他全責嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9448].text 還需要嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9449].text 我們都覺得
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transcript.whisperx[9450].text 我甚至有跟他們說 好啊
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transcript.whisperx[9451].text 如果真的國防部要去測哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[9452].text 最好
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transcript.whisperx[9453].text 到菲律賓 到蘇比克灣
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transcript.whisperx[9454].text 為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[9455].text 因為台灣的空域水域
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transcript.whisperx[9456].text 無線電池波訊號太複雜
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transcript.whisperx[9457].text 我們很難去測試
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transcript.whisperx[9458].text 要一個乾淨的場域
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transcript.whisperx[9459].text 菲律賓 哇 海域很多
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transcript.whisperx[9460].text 我們乾脆到哪裡去測
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transcript.whisperx[9461].text 到菲律賓去測
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transcript.whisperx[9462].text 那國防部到菲律賓去測
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transcript.whisperx[9463].text 還要你這個條例準他嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9464].text 我們目前的國防戰備有他的高度機密性跟機動性
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transcript.whisperx[9465].text 你還把這個寫下來
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transcript.whisperx[9466].text 表面上是說國防
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transcript.whisperx[9467].text 國防部要匯同地方政府
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transcript.whisperx[9468].text 荒謬
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transcript.whisperx[9469].text 民眾黨的版本說經濟部要匯同地方
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transcript.whisperx[9470].text 然後國防部
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transcript.whisperx[9471].text 還要演習場試運
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transcript.whisperx[9472].text 還要有這個部分的授權
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transcript.whisperx[9473].text 其實啊
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transcript.whisperx[9474].text 如果國防部真的需要他們在軍事要在
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transcript.whisperx[9475].text 基地條例裡面
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transcript.whisperx[9476].text 他們自然的去籌措調度
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transcript.whisperx[9477].text 我們要解決的不是裝模作樣
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transcript.whisperx[9478].text 去限制我們的國防發展
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transcript.whisperx[9479].text 而是要真正的去讓產業
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transcript.whisperx[9480].text 它目前遇到的限制得以排除
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transcript.whisperx[9481].text 所以我的條文
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transcript.whisperx[9482].text 是要排除現在的不當限制
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transcript.whisperx[9483].text 國眾兩黨呢
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transcript.whisperx[9484].text 是要額外加諸國防部
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transcript.whisperx[9485].text 在戰備訓練以外莫名其妙的任務
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transcript.whisperx[9486].text 我覺得呢是很大的差別不同
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transcript.whisperx[9487].text 本席反對國民黨跟民眾黨的版本
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transcript.whisperx[9488].text 前王安祥委員
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transcript.whisperx[9489].text 剛剛那個中委員說了
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transcript.whisperx[9490].text 把國民黨跟民眾黨都混在一起
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transcript.whisperx[9491].text 那我解釋一下民眾黨的版本
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transcript.whisperx[9492].text 那第一項跟第二項
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transcript.whisperx[9493].text 基本上就是我們現在所謂的測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[9494].text 還有測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[9495].text 跟示範區的一個制度
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transcript.whisperx[9496].text 所以經濟部這邊
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transcript.whisperx[9497].text 剛剛次長也說了現在已經有一些
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transcript.whisperx[9498].text 過去的一些斷幣
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transcript.whisperx[9499].text 以供可以執行
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transcript.whisperx[9500].text 那國防部這邊我們寫的是盤點
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transcript.whisperx[9501].text 盤點還有一些測試的場域
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transcript.whisperx[9502].text 那中委員說了我覺得菲律賓這邊也是非常好的一個場域
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transcript.whisperx[9503].text 我們只是說盤點而已
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transcript.whisperx[9504].text 沒有盤點而已啦
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transcript.whisperx[9505].text 那基本上剛剛中委員講到的
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transcript.whisperx[9506].text 我們都寫在第三項裡面
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transcript.whisperx[9507].text 也就是說如果在測試的時候
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transcript.whisperx[9508].text 會有一些法律上
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transcript.whisperx[9509].text 適用的問題
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transcript.whisperx[9510].text 所以中央疾管得排除或調整
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transcript.whisperx[9511].text 部分法規的限制
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transcript.whisperx[9512].text 所以剛剛中央編委員講了
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transcript.whisperx[9513].text 我們通通都在我們的第三項裡面
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transcript.whisperx[9514].text 而且我們也除了這個
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transcript.whisperx[9515].text 排除之外呢
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transcript.whisperx[9516].text 法規裡面還特別寫到
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transcript.whisperx[9517].text 有關於飛行操作安全性能的
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transcript.whisperx[9518].text 回饋的機制
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transcript.whisperx[9519].text 那作為日後法規的修正
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transcript.whisperx[9520].text 或者是真正推動的參考
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transcript.whisperx[9521].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[9522].text 因為看起來就是
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transcript.whisperx[9523].text 但是法委員救你的
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transcript.whisperx[9524].text OK好了
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transcript.whisperx[9525].text 我還是希望部長能夠表個態啦
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transcript.whisperx[9526].text 這個這一條
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transcript.whisperx[9527].text 什麼場域之類的
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transcript.whisperx[9528].text 剛才美國部長中央編委員
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transcript.whisperx[9529].text 自己的血漏就一堆了
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transcript.whisperx[9530].text 你比較一下跟民眾黨沒有差很多
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transcript.whisperx[9531].text 所以我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[9532].text 我覺得每一個法案
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transcript.whisperx[9533].text 因為我們都尊重每一個委員的提案
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transcript.whisperx[9534].text 不管你喜不喜歡
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transcript.whisperx[9535].text 尊重
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transcript.whisperx[9536].text 然後提出來的話
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transcript.whisperx[9537].text 應該首先問一下行政部門的意見
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transcript.whisperx[9538].text 畢竟他大官嘛
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transcript.whisperx[9539].text 我們先問一下可不可以
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transcript.whisperx[9540].text 郭部長要不要針對這一條
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transcript.whisperx[9541].text 有關於倡議的問題
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transcript.whisperx[9542].text 有關於國民黨團、民眾黨團
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transcript.whisperx[9543].text 還有其他委員的意見
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transcript.whisperx[9544].text 那麼你到底你的看法怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[9545].text 不要列你表示意見嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9546].text 那
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transcript.whisperx[9547].text 部長你要回答嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9548].text 部長您回答之前
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transcript.whisperx[9549].text 他剛剛有
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transcript.whisperx[9550].text 他其實剛剛有回答
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transcript.whisperx[9551].text 他前面有回答
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transcript.whisperx[9552].text 讓我收回來
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transcript.whisperx[9553].text 我只是講
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transcript.whisperx[9554].text 比較一下
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transcript.whisperx[9555].text 你們現在中委一直罵民眾黨團
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transcript.whisperx[9556].text 你要看一下你們兩個人的提案
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transcript.whisperx[9557].text 不過我們跟老實講
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transcript.whisperx[9558].text 沒有差很多
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transcript.whisperx[9559].text 我請教一下
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transcript.whisperx[9560].text 我請問一下
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transcript.whisperx[9561].text 我還是要請教一下郭部長
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transcript.whisperx[9562].text 國民黨團的提案寫了這個
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transcript.whisperx[9563].text 要規劃至少
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transcript.whisperx[9564].text 三處軍民共用
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transcript.whisperx[9565].text 測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[9566].text 供軍方及民間
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transcript.whisperx[9567].text 業者共同使用
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transcript.whisperx[9568].text 請問那什麼叫軍民共用
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transcript.whisperx[9569].text 是軍為主、民為輔
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transcript.whisperx[9570].text 還是民為主、軍為輔
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transcript.whisperx[9571].text 然後這個測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[9572].text 還要進行無人載具的
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transcript.whisperx[9573].text 飛控、航空、抗干擾
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transcript.whisperx[9574].text 跟作戰模擬測試
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transcript.whisperx[9575].text 就國防安全來講
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transcript.whisperx[9576].text 作戰模擬測試可以在
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transcript.whisperx[9577].text 民間業者的前面
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transcript.whisperx[9578].text 去做作戰模擬測試嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9579].text 那特別寫作戰模擬測試的用意是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[9580].text 把它明定在你們的法條裡頭
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transcript.whisperx[9581].text 又要規劃三處的測試場
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transcript.whisperx[9582].text 然後又把測試的內容
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transcript.whisperx[9583].text 跟對象都要把它寫出來
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transcript.whisperx[9584].text 為的是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[9585].text 是要讓誰知道
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transcript.whisperx[9586].text 是要讓誰看
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transcript.whisperx[9587].text 是要洩漏什麼樣的國家機密
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transcript.whisperx[9588].text 或者是牽著這個機會
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transcript.whisperx[9589].text 直接把國防安全
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transcript.whisperx[9590].text 直接洩漏
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transcript.whisperx[9591].text 寫這個法條的用意是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[9592].text 其實這個來問國防部長沒道理
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transcript.whisperx[9593].text 因為這法條不是他寫的
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transcript.whisperx[9594].text 但是我問國民黨黨團
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transcript.whisperx[9595].text 也問不出一個所以然來
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transcript.whisperx[9596].text 因為你們這法條也不知道從哪裡來的
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transcript.whisperx[9597].text 到底是不是你們自己寫的
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transcript.whisperx[9598].text 不知道會不會是有人
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transcript.whisperx[9599].text 交給你們的我覺得這是大有可能
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transcript.whisperx[9600].text 那有人交給你們
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transcript.whisperx[9601].text 是誰交給你們
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transcript.whisperx[9602].text 從哪裡來的
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transcript.whisperx[9603].text 為什麼寫這樣的法條內容
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transcript.whisperx[9604].text 這個大家就要好好的去探究一下了
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transcript.whisperx[9605].text 特別把作戰模擬測試都寫進去
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transcript.whisperx[9606].text 這個大有文章啊
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transcript.whisperx[9607].text 國民黨如果你願意說明的話
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transcript.whisperx[9608].text 我們其實很想聽聽你的說明
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transcript.whisperx[9609].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[9610].text 請說明啊
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transcript.whisperx[9611].text 作戰模擬測試沒有辦法說明嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9613].text 不然這個法條文字內容
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transcript.whisperx[9614].text 從哪裡來的也可以說明一下吧
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transcript.whisperx[9615].text 你們哪一個法案助理寫的
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transcript.whisperx[9616].text 還是這個是傅崑錡委員交給你們的
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transcript.whisperx[9618].text 拿來的這個文字內容
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transcript.whisperx[9619].text 是不是有特定人士
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transcript.whisperx[9620].text 交代特定人士交給你們的
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transcript.whisperx[9621].text 請說明啊
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transcript.whisperx[9622].text 能不能說明
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transcript.whisperx[9623].text 來這樣審查法案是沒有意思的
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transcript.whisperx[9624].text 請你看一下王碧雲委員的提案
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transcript.whisperx[9625].text 積極化設指定無人載具專屬的秘密學育空域
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transcript.whisperx[9626].text 實證測試場域
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transcript.whisperx[9627].text 建設通訊導航
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transcript.whisperx[9628].text 他是誰寫的啊
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transcript.whisperx[9629].text 是不是老公叫他寫的啊
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transcript.whisperx[9630].text 我的降刑就沒有意義啦
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transcript.whisperx[9631].text 這樣鬧就沒有意義
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transcript.whisperx[9632].text 來行政部門來
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transcript.whisperx[9633].text 你直接跳進來啦
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transcript.whisperx[9634].text 我沒有說老公叫你寫的喔
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transcript.whisperx[9635].text 你直接就說是老公叫你寫的喔
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transcript.whisperx[9636].text 原來這個法條也是老公叫你們寫的
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transcript.whisperx[9637].text 感謝你
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transcript.whisperx[9638].text 老公叫你寫的
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transcript.whisperx[9639].text 老公今天叫喬怡琪
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transcript.whisperx[9640].text 今天叫余怡琪
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transcript.whisperx[9641].text 法條是老公交給你們的
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transcript.whisperx[9642].text 沒有意思啦
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transcript.whisperx[9643].text 這是中國共產黨交給你們的
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transcript.whisperx[9644].text 你才中國共產黨
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transcript.whisperx[9645].text 這個法條是老公
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transcript.whisperx[9646].text 來請停止
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transcript.whisperx[9647].text 我已經沒有
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transcript.whisperx[9648].text 我覺得是需要影響啦
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transcript.whisperx[9649].text 不該影響
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transcript.whisperx[9650].text 法條要針對行政部門
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transcript.whisperx[9651].text 怎麼針對立委
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transcript.whisperx[9652].text 公祭就沒有意思了
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transcript.whisperx[9653].text 今天是曹海寫的
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transcript.whisperx[9654].end 26905.48
transcript.whisperx[9654].text 今天不是
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transcript.whisperx[9655].text 這是你們寫的
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transcript.whisperx[9656].text 我才跟你們提出詢問
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transcript.whisperx[9657].end 26911.48
transcript.whisperx[9657].text 所以你們叫法條從哪裡來的
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transcript.whisperx[9658].text 怎麼會寫作戰模擬呢
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transcript.whisperx[9659].text 請維持
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transcript.whisperx[9660].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9661].text 法條
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transcript.whisperx[9662].text 國民黨黨團第六條
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transcript.whisperx[9663].text 台灣民眾黨黨團
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transcript.whisperx[9664].text 台灣民眾黨團第七條
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transcript.whisperx[9665].text 台灣民眾黨團第十四條
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transcript.whisperx[9666].text 台灣民眾黨團第十二條
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transcript.whisperx[9667].text 台灣民眾黨團第十一條
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transcript.whisperx[9668].text 我們全部也沒有共識
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transcript.whisperx[9669].end 26935.48
transcript.whisperx[9669].text 我們也保留
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transcript.whisperx[9670].text 接下來我們就非常大有禮問
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transcript.whisperx[9671].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9672].text 接下來我們進行這一段
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transcript.whisperx[9673].end 26944.44
transcript.whisperx[9673].text 請你不要就直接跳過好不好
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transcript.whisperx[9674].text 這是關於國家安全
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transcript.whisperx[9675].text 這是關於國家安全非常重要的
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transcript.whisperx[9676].text 我們進行第20頁
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transcript.whisperx[9677].text 關於國家安全非常重要的議題
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transcript.whisperx[9678].text 好嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9679].text 接下來我們看第20頁
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transcript.whisperx[9680].text 進行國民黨黨團體驗第七條
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transcript.whisperx[9681].text 請經濟部跟國安部
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transcript.whisperx[9682].text 就國產化這一條的比例
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transcript.whisperx[9683].text 來一件謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9684].text 跟聯席會議報告
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transcript.whisperx[9685].text 這一條經濟部的意見
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transcript.whisperx[9686].text 我們認為無人機的種類相當多元
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transcript.whisperx[9687].text 各型載具的國產化比例各有不同
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transcript.whisperx[9688].text 各型載具的國產化比例各有不同
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transcript.whisperx[9689].text 而且國產化的條件還涉及到技術的疊帶速度
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transcript.whisperx[9690].text 而且國產化的條件還涉及到技術的疊帶速度
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transcript.whisperx[9691].text 還有市場等不確定因素
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transcript.whisperx[9692].text 還有市場等不確定因素
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transcript.whisperx[9693].text 如果以同一的標準
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transcript.whisperx[9694].text 用明定的比例方式來立法
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transcript.whisperx[9695].text 恐怕會有執行上的難度
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transcript.whisperx[9696].text 恐怕會有執行上的難度
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transcript.whisperx[9697].text 規劃過延也會造成後續採購困難的問題
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transcript.whisperx[9698].text 規劃過延也會造成後續採購困難的問題
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transcript.whisperx[9699].text 並缺乏按照實際情形彈性調整的空間
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transcript.whisperx[9700].text 並缺乏按照實際情形彈性調整的空間
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transcript.whisperx[9701].text 故建議不需要立法規範
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transcript.whisperx[9702].text 故建議不需要立法規範
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transcript.whisperx[9703].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9704].text 主席、各位委員
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transcript.whisperx[9705].text 我想剛剛經濟部也說明了
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transcript.whisperx[9706].text 現在自第七條講的軍用無人載具的範圍特別廣
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transcript.whisperx[9707].text 我就以MQ-9V為例好了
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transcript.whisperx[9708].text 我們對外對美採購MQ-9V
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transcript.whisperx[9709].text 如果按照您這樣子的規範說
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transcript.whisperx[9710].text MQ-9V的這些無人機
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transcript.whisperx[9711].text MQ-9V的這些無人機
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transcript.whisperx[9712].text 有一定的這個國產化的比例要多少
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transcript.whisperx[9713].text 有一定的這個國產化的比例要多少
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transcript.whisperx[9714].text 我不曉得
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transcript.whisperx[9715].text 我們有實踐的可能性嗎
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transcript.whisperx[9716].text 那我不太清楚在這裡講的所謂的
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transcript.whisperx[9717].text 那我不太清楚在這裡講的所謂的
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transcript.whisperx[9718].text 嗯
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transcript.whisperx[9719].text 在第一款跟第二款又提到所謂的軍用商規
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transcript.whisperx[9720].text 我想
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transcript.whisperx[9721].text 這個概念上面來講
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transcript.whisperx[9722].text 應該已經沒有所謂的軍用商規這個概念了
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transcript.whisperx[9723].text 應該已經沒有所謂的軍用商規這個概念了
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transcript.whisperx[9724].text 我們要買的就是軍規
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transcript.whisperx[9725].text 我不太清楚這裡所講的軍用商規
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transcript.whisperx[9726].text 所指的含義是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[9727].text 也許過往
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transcript.whisperx[9728].text 是拿過往說我們曾經
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transcript.whisperx[9729].text 曾經以軍用商規為例
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transcript.whisperx[9730].text 但是現在以無人載機的
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transcript.whisperx[9731].text 這個應用上來講
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transcript.whisperx[9732].text 我想
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transcript.whisperx[9733].text 沒有什麼軍用商規
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transcript.whisperx[9734].text 就我們作戰需求來講
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transcript.whisperx[9735].text 我們所有的
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transcript.whisperx[9736].text 無人載機的需求都是以我們
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transcript.whisperx[9737].text 認為符合作戰需求的軍規
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transcript.whisperx[9738].text 做處罰
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transcript.whisperx[9739].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[9740].text 都沒有意見
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transcript.whisperx[9741].text 真開心
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transcript.whisperx[9742].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[9743].text 我個人看法
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transcript.whisperx[9744].text 我代表主席看法
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transcript.whisperx[9745].text 我是覺得說因為國防部
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transcript.whisperx[9746].text 當時都是在一開始
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transcript.whisperx[9747].text 審這個就是說我們希望是
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transcript.whisperx[9748].text 國產化的比例
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transcript.whisperx[9749].text 經濟部的話也是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[9750].text 我們很多都在支持
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transcript.whisperx[9751].text 就是說就這一個
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transcript.whisperx[9752].text 法條法案的話就是說
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transcript.whisperx[9753].text 假設這樣子的一個
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transcript.whisperx[9754].text 民主建化國產化的比例
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transcript.whisperx[9755].text 就是到底我相信
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transcript.whisperx[9756].text 因為我不是國民黨團的提案者
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transcript.whisperx[9757].text 我相信他們對於國防部
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transcript.whisperx[9758].text 在國防自主這一塊
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transcript.whisperx[9759].text 可能需要你跟經濟部配合
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transcript.whisperx[9760].text 真的確實盤點
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transcript.whisperx[9761].text 因為過去我們看到很多國產化的比例
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transcript.whisperx[9762].text 是不高的
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transcript.whisperx[9763].text 跟主席報告一下
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transcript.whisperx[9764].text 因為這個是國民黨黨團的提案
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transcript.whisperx[9765].text 國民黨黨團在一開始
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transcript.whisperx[9766].text 定義
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transcript.whisperx[9767].text 無人宰居的時候他是把所有的
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transcript.whisperx[9768].text 無人宰居都包括進去
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transcript.whisperx[9769].text 所以我們NQ9B也是
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transcript.whisperx[9770].text 屬於他定義的無人宰居
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transcript.whisperx[9771].text 我現在只要我是順著國民黨的
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transcript.whisperx[9772].text 立法的邏輯往下
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transcript.whisperx[9773].text 推演到這一條
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transcript.whisperx[9774].text 來說明無人宰居
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transcript.whisperx[9775].text 經用無人宰居的採集
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transcript.whisperx[9776].text 那這個不是我們現在
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transcript.whisperx[9777].text 國防部提出來的
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transcript.whisperx[9778].text 那個堅爭
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transcript.whisperx[9779].text 兵海堅爭型的無人機兵海攻擊型的無人機
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transcript.whisperx[9780].text 跟小型自殺無人機
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transcript.whisperx[9781].text 這三款的範圍而已
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transcript.whisperx[9782].text 如果再回溯回去
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transcript.whisperx[9783].text 看看國民黨的
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transcript.whisperx[9784].text 對於無人宰居的定義
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transcript.whisperx[9785].text 在他的名詞定義裡面
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transcript.whisperx[9786].text 他是所有的無人宰居
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transcript.whisperx[9787].text 所有的無人宰居都
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transcript.whisperx[9788].text 要求如果按照他的要求
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transcript.whisperx[9789].text 都要有一個國產化的比例的話
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transcript.whisperx[9790].text 讓我們很多外購的項目
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transcript.whisperx[9791].text 是不可能做到這個程度的
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transcript.whisperx[9792].text 那不管是
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transcript.whisperx[9793].text 還是透過軍購還是透過商購
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transcript.whisperx[9794].text 所以我要講的
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transcript.whisperx[9795].text 我的意思是
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transcript.whisperx[9796].text 順著國民黨他立法的
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transcript.whisperx[9797].text 意旨一直往下延伸
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transcript.whisperx[9798].text 會產生非常嚴重的問題
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transcript.whisperx[9799].text 我只是特別取這樣的例子做說明而已
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transcript.whisperx[9800].text 稍等一下我請教一下
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transcript.whisperx[9801].text 那你這個MQ9B是包括在軍用商規嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[9802].text 是包括在軍用商規嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[9803].text 這個就是我沒有辦法
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transcript.whisperx[9804].text 因為我不是立法的
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transcript.whisperx[9805].text 是我嘛對不對
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transcript.whisperx[9806].text 可是他的頭是灌軍用無人宰居
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transcript.whisperx[9807].text 那現在下來
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transcript.whisperx[9808].text 軍用商規有沒有包括MQ9B啊
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transcript.whisperx[9809].text 那我現在的問題
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transcript.whisperx[9810].text 是在於說
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transcript.whisperx[9811].text 那要請國民黨來幫我解釋一下
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transcript.whisperx[9812].text 什麼叫做軍用商規
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transcript.whisperx[9813].text 因為我們知道MQ9B是FMS喔
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transcript.whisperx[9814].text 它不是DCS喔
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transcript.whisperx[9815].text 那我現在
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transcript.whisperx[9816].text 不知道它說軍用軍規喔
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transcript.whisperx[9817].text 國民黨黨團的版本
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transcript.whisperx[9818].text 並沒有在界定是軍售的
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transcript.whisperx[9819].text 商售的
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transcript.whisperx[9820].text 國內採購的
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transcript.whisperx[9821].text 因為現在這個講是商售
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transcript.whisperx[9822].text 不是軍購喔
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transcript.whisperx[9823].text 那請問一下國民黨團
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transcript.whisperx[9824].text 對不起賴委員
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transcript.whisperx[9825].text 我沒有我想我們不是在
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transcript.whisperx[9826].text 我現在請教一下國民黨黨團
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transcript.whisperx[9827].text 哪一個版本
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transcript.whisperx[9828].text 對應到第七條
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transcript.whisperx[9829].text 在談軍用商規這個字
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transcript.whisperx[9830].text 是不是指國內採購
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transcript.whisperx[9831].text 在哪裡可以看得出來
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transcript.whisperx[9832].text 而且標的
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transcript.whisperx[9833].text 國務長你這裡有一個矛盾的地方
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transcript.whisperx[9834].text 你早上才講
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transcript.whisperx[9835].text 你要的偵查用的
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transcript.whisperx[9836].text 這個無人機
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transcript.whisperx[9837].text 自殺式的無人機以及無人體
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transcript.whisperx[9838].text 基本上是對國內採購
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transcript.whisperx[9839].text 對對對
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transcript.whisperx[9840].text 報告委員
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transcript.whisperx[9841].text 所以我沒有
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transcript.whisperx[9842].text 對對
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transcript.whisperx[9843].text 我的標的沒有含MQ9B啊
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transcript.whisperx[9844].text 但貴黨的
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transcript.whisperx[9845].text 版本裡面有沒有排除
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transcript.whisperx[9846].text 哪些無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[9847].text 就是貴黨的版本
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transcript.whisperx[9848].text 如果大家再回去看貴黨的無人載具的定義
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transcript.whisperx[9849].text 在名詞定義是
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transcript.whisperx[9850].text 包含懸翼型定翼型
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transcript.whisperx[9851].text 垂直起降型等無人機
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transcript.whisperx[9852].text 包含水面水下無人機
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transcript.whisperx[9853].text 是無人體
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transcript.whisperx[9854].text 包含增收型後傾型是
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transcript.whisperx[9855].text 作戰以及作戰型的
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transcript.whisperx[9856].text 地面無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[9857].text 其操作或飛航不需人員
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transcript.whisperx[9858].text 承載於機具本體
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transcript.whisperx[9859].text 所以它包括天上飛的
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transcript.whisperx[9860].text 水上航行的水下的
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transcript.whisperx[9861].text 乃至於地面的
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transcript.whisperx[9862].text 都含在你們的無人載具範圍內啊
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transcript.whisperx[9863].text 很好啊
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transcript.whisperx[9864].text 沒有我是只要跟你
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transcript.whisperx[9865].text 強調一個軍用商規
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transcript.whisperx[9866].text 顧名思義它是
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transcript.whisperx[9867].text DCS嘛它不是FMS嘛
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transcript.whisperx[9868].text 那你MQ9B是FMS啊
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transcript.whisperx[9869].text 這個東西大家都很清楚啊
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transcript.whisperx[9870].text 怎麼不是呢
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transcript.whisperx[9871].text 這是這是
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transcript.whisperx[9872].text 我沒有
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transcript.whisperx[9873].text 那可能要麻煩公務長委員
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transcript.whisperx[9874].text 是不是要回去就你們的名詞定義
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transcript.whisperx[9875].text 裡面把軍用商規稍微定義一下
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transcript.whisperx[9876].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[9877].text 其他的版本
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transcript.whisperx[9878].text 沒有版本
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transcript.whisperx[9879].text 好吧現在就當留
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transcript.whisperx[9880].text 接下來的話我們進到
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transcript.whisperx[9881].text 第21頁
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transcript.whisperx[9882].text 主要合併討論國民黨團
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transcript.whisperx[9883].text 提案第8條中央
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transcript.whisperx[9884].text 邊緣委員提案第14條
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transcript.whisperx[9885].text 黃定野提案第13條
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transcript.whisperx[9886].text 這是在
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transcript.whisperx[9887].text 講補助跟這個研發教育補助
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transcript.whisperx[9888].text 那差別看起來就是中央邊緣委員會
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transcript.whisperx[9889].text 其他的的話應該都是主管機關
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transcript.whisperx[9890].text 來請進進一步
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transcript.whisperx[9891].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[9892].text 那另外工程會也已經有訂定遙控無人機
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transcript.whisperx[9893].text 採購作業指引
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transcript.whisperx[9894].text 以分級的方式將非宏級國產化
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transcript.whisperx[9895].text 民主界納入採購的一個要求
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transcript.whisperx[9896].text 可實質鼓勵國產化優良的業者
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transcript.whisperx[9897].text 建立務需要另外的立法規範
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transcript.whisperx[9898].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[9899].text 那現在就位了
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transcript.whisperx[9900].text 阿光不對不起
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transcript.whisperx[9901].text 我稍微再說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[9902].text 剛剛有提到軍用商規
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transcript.whisperx[9903].text 那我當然再看了一下國民黨黨團
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transcript.whisperx[9904].text 他的第3條確實有提到軍用商規無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[9905].text 是指以商用規格
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transcript.whisperx[9906].text 這零組件為基礎
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transcript.whisperx[9907].text 依軍事需求進行適應性改良
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transcript.whisperx[9908].text 並符合一定抗干擾
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transcript.whisperx[9909].text 抗電池脈衝
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transcript.whisperx[9910].text 及戰場存活力
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transcript.whisperx[9911].text 標準的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[9912].text 那我這邊只要說明一下就是說
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transcript.whisperx[9913].text 軍用商規的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[9914].text 在這裡所定義的
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transcript.whisperx[9915].text 軍事需求來作為一個基礎的話
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transcript.whisperx[9916].text 如果是這樣子講
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transcript.whisperx[9917].text 那麼有關於所謂
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transcript.whisperx[9918].text 符合一定抗干擾
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transcript.whisperx[9919].text 看電池脈衝及戰場存活率
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transcript.whisperx[9920].text 標準的無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[9921].text 在我們來看
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transcript.whisperx[9922].text 我們都還是要以我們的作戰需求
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transcript.whisperx[9923].text 採取我們認為適合
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transcript.whisperx[9924].text 我們作戰需求的軍規
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transcript.whisperx[9925].text 所以有關相關於所謂的商用規格
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transcript.whisperx[9926].text 是零組件
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transcript.whisperx[9927].text 我想
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transcript.whisperx[9928].text 沒有辦法能夠充分的理解
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transcript.whisperx[9929].text 什麼叫做以商用規格是零組件
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transcript.whisperx[9930].text 為基礎
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transcript.whisperx[9931].text 因為所有的
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transcript.whisperx[9932].text 我們所軍規所需要的
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transcript.whisperx[9933].text 這些無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[9934].text 我們都還是希望符合我們的軍規
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transcript.whisperx[9935].text 那以後我們依照我們的軍事
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transcript.whisperx[9936].text 需求我們
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transcript.whisperx[9937].text 也採購相關的這些無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[9938].text 所以還是回到剛剛講的
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transcript.whisperx[9939].text 那個所謂的本條例
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transcript.whisperx[9940].text 事情後多久之內
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transcript.whisperx[9941].text 軍用商規的無人機的國產化
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transcript.whisperx[9942].text 比例是多少的這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[9943].text 我們在國防部的立場上面
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transcript.whisperx[9944].text 我們沒有辦法確切的能夠
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transcript.whisperx[9945].text 充分的去理解
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transcript.whisperx[9946].text 這樣子的一個特定的
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transcript.whisperx[9947].text 一個所謂的軍用商規無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[9948].text 在他的定義之下
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transcript.whisperx[9949].text 所能夠所謂的
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transcript.whisperx[9950].text 國產化的
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transcript.whisperx[9951].text 這個比例指的
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transcript.whisperx[9952].text 是不是一定是現以對國內
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transcript.whisperx[9953].text 採購的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[9954].text 那如果說是現以國內
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transcript.whisperx[9955].text 採購也就是說
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transcript.whisperx[9956].text 符合我們現在國防自主採購
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transcript.whisperx[9957].text 所要發展的這個項目的話
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transcript.whisperx[9958].text 我可能要麻煩
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transcript.whisperx[9959].text 國民黨的版本在軍用商規
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transcript.whisperx[9960].text 無人機的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[9961].text 就是指為了基於國防自主
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transcript.whisperx[9962].text 採購而所發展的
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transcript.whisperx[9963].text 這些所謂的無人機
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transcript.whisperx[9964].text 但是合乎我們軍事需求
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transcript.whisperx[9965].text 我想這樣可能會比較清楚一點
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transcript.whisperx[9966].text 那另外剛剛講的獎勵補助的這些相關的規範
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transcript.whisperx[9967].text 應該不是在我們
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transcript.whisperx[9968].text 這個國防部所
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transcript.whisperx[9969].text 應該要的一個權責範圍
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transcript.whisperx[9970].text 那這個部分以上
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transcript.whisperx[9971].text 好 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[9972].text 我還是想要請教一下
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transcript.whisperx[9973].text 因為這個是國民黨黨團的提案
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transcript.whisperx[9974].text 我還是想要具體請教一下
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transcript.whisperx[9975].text 第八條整個條文念完
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transcript.whisperx[9976].text 我想請教你們補助的對象會是綠油油嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[9977].text 你直接寫補助業者喔
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transcript.whisperx[9978].text 還有資金投入喔
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transcript.whisperx[9979].text 還有授權喔 還有優先採購喔
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transcript.whisperx[9980].text 然後提供融資及優惠利率喔
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transcript.whisperx[9981].text 所以這些都做完之後
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transcript.whisperx[9982].text 這個業者是不是就是綠油油?
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transcript.whisperx[9983].text 請教一下
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transcript.whisperx[9984].text 就你覺得他是的時候
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transcript.whisperx[9985].text 你喜歡的時候就說他是這個優良業者
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transcript.whisperx[9986].text 你不喜歡他的時候
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transcript.whisperx[9987].text 你就說他是綠油油
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transcript.whisperx[9988].text 然後就說是經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[9989].text 獨厚他 還優先採購他
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transcript.whisperx[9990].text 還資金幫助他
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transcript.whisperx[9991].text 還授權 還補助他
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transcript.whisperx[9992].text 還優惠融資 什麼都來囉
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transcript.whisperx[9993].text 那這是不是綠油油?
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transcript.whisperx[9994].text 請教一下
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transcript.whisperx[9995].text 這個不用回答 來
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transcript.whisperx[9996].text 這很重要
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transcript.whisperx[9997].text 因為我們要釐清被補助的業者
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transcript.whisperx[9998].text 被你認定優良的補助業者
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transcript.whisperx[9999].text 是不是每一個都是綠油油?
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transcript.whisperx[10000].text 就說明書啊 這是你寫的
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transcript.whisperx[10001].text 你可以回應一下
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transcript.whisperx[10002].text 不然叫副坤起來
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transcript.whisperx[10003].text 這副坤起來
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transcript.whisperx[10004].text 我們今天在審查這個條例
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transcript.whisperx[10005].text 各個委員 各個黨派
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transcript.whisperx[10006].text 依法去執行
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transcript.whisperx[10007].text 提出大家的法案
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transcript.whisperx[10008].text 今天行政部門坐在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[10009].text 我們要討論的是
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transcript.whisperx[10010].text 提出法案
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transcript.whisperx[10011].text 在委員方面 在行政部門
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transcript.whisperx[10012].text 要怎麼樣去溝通
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transcript.whisperx[10013].text 能不能達成共識
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transcript.whisperx[10014].text 尤其現在討論到
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transcript.whisperx[10015].text 第八條
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transcript.whisperx[10016].text 我相信所有的委員
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transcript.whisperx[10017].text 一定都是全力的支持
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transcript.whisperx[10018].text 投入無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[10019].text 關鍵零組件
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transcript.whisperx[10020].text 國產化的優良業者
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transcript.whisperx[10021].text 經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[10022].text 卓語講著
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transcript.whisperx[10023].text 這個是我們每一次
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transcript.whisperx[10024].text 在經濟委員會
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transcript.whisperx[10025].text 大家都非常非常的
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transcript.whisperx[10026].text 要求
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transcript.whisperx[10027].text 所以今天提出這個
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transcript.whisperx[10028].text 應當是大家全力的
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transcript.whisperx[10029].text 來支持我們的無人機
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transcript.whisperx[10030].text 無人載具 零組件
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transcript.whisperx[10031].text 讓我們國內的
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transcript.whisperx[10032].text 廠商可以
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transcript.whisperx[10033].text 精進 可以升級
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transcript.whisperx[10034].text 所以因此不管在捐助
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transcript.whisperx[10035].text 或者是資金技術
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transcript.whisperx[10036].text 投資或者是授權
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transcript.whisperx[10037].text 或者是應該要優先
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transcript.whisperx[10038].text 採購國內
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transcript.whisperx[10039].text 或者是要提供融資的
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transcript.whisperx[10040].text 優惠利率 我相信
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transcript.whisperx[10041].text 不管是在民進黨的委員的提案
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transcript.whisperx[10042].text 大家的方向精神
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transcript.whisperx[10043].text 都是如此 所以應該
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transcript.whisperx[10044].text 要得到支持的
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transcript.whisperx[10045].text 以上我的建議 請主席
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transcript.whisperx[10046].text 做裁決
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transcript.whisperx[10047].text 好 終結
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transcript.whisperx[10048].text 委員
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transcript.whisperx[10049].text 好 因為呢 條次啊 我的
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transcript.whisperx[10050].text 版本的第14條呢
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transcript.whisperx[10051].text 又跟國民黨的第8條放在一起
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transcript.whisperx[10052].text 那我必須說嘛
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transcript.whisperx[10053].text 說明啦 上週的公聽會呢
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transcript.whisperx[10054].text 真的 學者專家能夠
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transcript.whisperx[10055].text 有些積極性的
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transcript.whisperx[10056].text 建設性方案提出
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transcript.whisperx[10057].text 有提出說 我們要去注意到
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transcript.whisperx[10058].text 有在2018年有通過了一個
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transcript.whisperx[10059].text 無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[10060].text 科技創新實驗條例
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transcript.whisperx[10061].text 其實我後來
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transcript.whisperx[10062].text 再去看了這個無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[10063].text 科技創新實驗條例之後
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transcript.whisperx[10064].text 我覺得在我的
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transcript.whisperx[10065].text 版本當中第14條 其實
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transcript.whisperx[10066].text 可以被這樣的條例
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transcript.whisperx[10067].text 只要稍微的修改既有的
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transcript.whisperx[10068].text 條例就可以吸納
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transcript.whisperx[10069].text 所以剛剛經濟部的說明
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transcript.whisperx[10070].text 我是可以原則接受的
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transcript.whisperx[10071].text 那麼如果是這樣的情況之下
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transcript.whisperx[10072].text 國民黨的第8條 其實也是
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transcript.whisperx[10073].text 建議國民黨團可以回去看一下
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transcript.whisperx[10074].text 我們這是新創法
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transcript.whisperx[10075].text 那新創法呢 要建立一個新的
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transcript.whisperx[10076].text 法律體系啊 它會遇到
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transcript.whisperx[10077].text 很多可能需要的一個
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transcript.whisperx[10078].text 壓力測試 一個環評
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transcript.whisperx[10079].text 那如果單純的放在採購上
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transcript.whisperx[10080].text 那麼對於產業輔導部分
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transcript.whisperx[10081].text 如果以現有的產業輔導相關的
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transcript.whisperx[10082].text 條文
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transcript.whisperx[10083].text 稍微修改就能納入的話
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transcript.whisperx[10084].text 我會覺得可以用既有的
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transcript.whisperx[10085].text 條例來進行修改
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transcript.whisperx[10086].text 所以呢 我的部分
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transcript.whisperx[10087].text 我的部分我會
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transcript.whisperx[10088].text 個人先表達我的版本 這個條文
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transcript.whisperx[10089].text 可以保留在委員會 不是
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transcript.whisperx[10090].text 保留出委員會 保留在委員會
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transcript.whisperx[10091].text 因為未來的這個
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transcript.whisperx[10092].text 無人載具
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transcript.whisperx[10093].text 它的這個科技
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transcript.whisperx[10094].text 創新科技實驗條例
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transcript.whisperx[10095].text 它未來呢 有可能在
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transcript.whisperx[10096].text 後續我們也會就
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transcript.whisperx[10097].text 相關和現在無人載具的部分
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transcript.whisperx[10098].text 我們是進行調整
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transcript.whisperx[10099].text 因為呢 它的法規
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transcript.whisperx[10100].text 編類就是在經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[10101].text 這在2018年是如此
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transcript.whisperx[10102].text 那至於啊 因為剛剛呢 這個第八條
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transcript.whisperx[10103].text 之前的第七條啊
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transcript.whisperx[10104].text 我就看到了這個 不僅想到網路上
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transcript.whisperx[10105].text 在現在新鮮人 社會新鮮人
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transcript.whisperx[10106].text 求職期間啊 有個說法
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transcript.whisperx[10107].text 有人問社會新鮮人 你剛出校園
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transcript.whisperx[10108].text 你現在做工作找得怎麼樣 不錯啊
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transcript.whisperx[10109].text 我有個工作啊
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transcript.whisperx[10110].text 月入20萬啊 週休
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transcript.whisperx[10111].text 週休5天啊
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transcript.whisperx[10112].text 然後呢 福利很好啊
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transcript.whisperx[10113].text 人家問啊 你是做什麼的 做夢的
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transcript.whisperx[10114].text 這個第七條啊
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transcript.whisperx[10115].text 什麼50 80 70
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transcript.whisperx[10116].text 這個百分比
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transcript.whisperx[10117].text 我真的不曉得 它的所謂的
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transcript.whisperx[10118].text 40依據物理基礎在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[10119].text 就連美國
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transcript.whisperx[10120].text 口口聲聲有委員說 美國的無人宅具
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transcript.whisperx[10121].text 發展很好 他們也不可能去
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transcript.whisperx[10122].text 訂出這種50啊
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transcript.whisperx[10123].text 80啊 70啊
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transcript.whisperx[10124].text 連軍用的都做不到 你要管軍用商規的
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transcript.whisperx[10125].text 所以我是覺得呢
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transcript.whisperx[10126].text 剛剛這個第七條已經保留了啦
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transcript.whisperx[10128].text 第一條也保留 保留得好啊
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transcript.whisperx[10129].text 這條根本沒有必要
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transcript.whisperx[10131].text 版本的第十條一樣
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transcript.whisperx[10132].text 可以參考無人宅具
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transcript.whisperx[10133].text 科技 礦星科技實驗條例
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transcript.whisperx[10134].text 去用那個條
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transcript.whisperx[10135].text 條例那個版本呢 來進行修改
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transcript.whisperx[10136].text 以上建議
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transcript.whisperx[10137].text 好 因為我們沒辦法單獨保留
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transcript.whisperx[10139].text 在委員會啦 所以我們就一併出去
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transcript.whisperx[10140].text 沒有條啦
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transcript.whisperx[10141].text 沒有條
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transcript.whisperx[10142].text 好 所以我們現在這邊的話呢
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transcript.whisperx[10143].text 就是針對國民黨團
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transcript.whisperx[10144].text 提案第八條
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transcript.whisperx[10145].text 中央聯邦提案第十條
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transcript.whisperx[10146].text 原黨第十三條保留
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transcript.whisperx[10147].text 好 接下來我們進行第
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transcript.whisperx[10148].text 二十二頁
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transcript.whisperx[10149].text 國民黨黨團提案第九條
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transcript.whisperx[10150].text 請
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transcript.whisperx[10151].text 請進進步
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transcript.whisperx[10152].text 請進進步
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transcript.whisperx[10153].text 這個這個經濟不太回答
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transcript.whisperx[10154].text 好奇怪
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transcript.whisperx[10155].text 好 報告委員
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transcript.whisperx[10156].text 那這一條其實國際基金
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transcript.whisperx[10157].text 已經有多項的一些
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transcript.whisperx[10158].text 方案已經在支持
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transcript.whisperx[10159].text 包括加強投資中小企業
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transcript.whisperx[10160].text 實施方案 加強投資策略性
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transcript.whisperx[10161].text 服務業實施方案 加強投資
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transcript.whisperx[10163].text 等 跟民間的資金共同
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transcript.whisperx[10164].text 投資中小級新創企業的方案
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transcript.whisperx[10165].text 建立不需要
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transcript.whisperx[10166].text 令立法規範
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transcript.whisperx[10167].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[10168].text 國發基金
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transcript.whisperx[10169].text 主席各位委員大家好
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transcript.whisperx[10170].text 那國發基金這邊說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[10171].text 因為國發基金本來就是依照產業創新條例
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transcript.whisperx[10172].text 而設置的
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transcript.whisperx[10173].text 所以國發基金的宗旨就是在協助產業的發展
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transcript.whisperx[10174].text 那剛剛
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transcript.whisperx[10175].text 經濟部次長也有報告過了
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transcript.whisperx[10176].text 就是國發基金下來的投資方案
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transcript.whisperx[10177].text 包括直接投資還有跟部會
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transcript.whisperx[10178].text 之間合作的白衣投資以及
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transcript.whisperx[10179].text 創業天使投資方案
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transcript.whisperx[10180].text 目前都可以投資
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transcript.whisperx[10181].text 從事無人載具科技事業
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transcript.whisperx[10182].text 而且經濟部這邊也有中小企業發展條例
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transcript.whisperx[10183].text 本來就是在協助
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transcript.whisperx[10184].text 中小企業跟新創企業的發展
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transcript.whisperx[10207].text 第九點
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transcript.whisperx[10211].text 變成我們的富國神山
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transcript.whisperx[10215].text 他得你可不要啊
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transcript.whisperx[10221].text 都寫得很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[10222].text 都寫得很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[10226].text 應該要
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transcript.whisperx[10232].text 你看
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transcript.whisperx[10240].text 這個商機啊
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transcript.whisperx[10243].text 尚未完備
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transcript.whisperx[10244].text 這個明確很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[10257].text 就是這個意思啊第九條就是
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transcript.whisperx[10271].text 意思而已然後你們要把他殺掉
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transcript.whisperx[10273].text 莫名其妙很多啦我們在要跑邊圍
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transcript.whisperx[10274].text 根本沒有必要啦因為
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transcript.whisperx[10275].text 國發經濟本來就是個機制了
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transcript.whisperx[10280].text 其實也沒有人可以來代表做說明
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transcript.whisperx[10284].text 本來想跟他好好的對話他的AB版
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transcript.whisperx[10286].text 也有相相相容之處
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transcript.whisperx[10288].text 國民黨的提案是不是有
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transcript.whisperx[10289].text 問一下
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transcript.whisperx[10304].text 我們政府來說明年有一千億要為小
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transcript.whisperx[10311].text 世界之光的一個產生啊
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transcript.whisperx[10312].text 那為什麼這個還有爭議呢
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transcript.whisperx[10315].text 全力的支持啊
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transcript.whisperx[10316].text 這有什麼問題呢
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transcript.whisperx[10317].text 所以主席請做一決啦
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transcript.whisperx[10318].text 好簡單一決啦主席
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transcript.whisperx[10320].text 有人法律不好就算了啦中文也不好
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transcript.whisperx[10321].text 第八條好歹有對投入無人宅具啪啪啪啪
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transcript.whisperx[10323].text 這一條只有主持沒有受持
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transcript.whisperx[10324].text 那不住誰共同投資什麼
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transcript.whisperx[10325].text 第九條在第八條之後
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transcript.whisperx[10326].text 第十條之前沒有受持
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transcript.whisperx[10327].text 那好歹你要寫說
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transcript.whisperx[10328].text 對於投入無人宅具產業政府得得的共同投資
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transcript.whisperx[10329].text 所以這個條文不只是
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transcript.whisperx[10330].text 根本也不曉得他的受益者是誰
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transcript.whisperx[10331].text 中小企業在做到處都中小企業
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transcript.whisperx[10332].text 你這裡是無人宅具
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transcript.whisperx[10333].text 你至少第八條還有寫
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transcript.whisperx[10334].text 對投入無人宅具的
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transcript.whisperx[10335].text 可以有什麼樣的一個作為獎勵
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transcript.whisperx[10336].text 這一條連受持是誰都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[10337].text 所以這個不是法律不好啦這是中文不好
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transcript.whisperx[10339].text 那我支持你啊
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transcript.whisperx[10340].text 不會我的保留因為我們要支持的很多都保留了
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transcript.whisperx[10341].text 不用在這邊我建議都保留了
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transcript.whisperx[10342].text 保留啊好再來
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transcript.whisperx[10343].text 國民黨團提案第十條
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transcript.whisperx[10344].text 第十條
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transcript.whisperx[10345].text 如果沒有一件你就收保留也可以
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transcript.whisperx[10346].text 沒吃還難洗
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transcript.whisperx[10347].text 好那這一條的部分
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transcript.whisperx[10348].text 經濟部這邊說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[10349].text 所列的這些評估的內容
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transcript.whisperx[10350].text 其實我們在
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transcript.whisperx[10351].text 這個無人宅具產業發展投資人計畫裡面
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transcript.whisperx[10352].text 已經有績效廣考跟
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transcript.whisperx[10353].text 成果檢討的機制
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transcript.whisperx[10354].text 並可以彙整產值就業
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transcript.whisperx[10355].text 跟其他的這些可量化的
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transcript.whisperx[10356].text 成果來供立法院
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transcript.whisperx[10357].text 參考那建立無需要
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transcript.whisperx[10358].text 立法規範以上
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transcript.whisperx[10359].text 好謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[10360].text 那我們討論還是保留啦評估還是很重要
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transcript.whisperx[10361].text 好再來
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transcript.whisperx[10362].text 國民黨團提案第十一條
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transcript.whisperx[10363].text 跟賴世寶提案第十五條
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transcript.whisperx[10364].text 建議部
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transcript.whisperx[10365].text 這一條跟委員報告
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transcript.whisperx[10366].text 那這個有關這些無人宅具的
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transcript.whisperx[10367].text 治安標準跟高風險
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transcript.whisperx[10368].text 供應鏈的一個管理
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transcript.whisperx[10369].text 目前這個數位部
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transcript.whisperx[10370].text 已經數畫部已經會同相關
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transcript.whisperx[10374].text 遙控無人機採購的時候
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transcript.whisperx[10375].text 也可以按照工程會的遙控無人機
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transcript.whisperx[10380].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[10382].text 我看你們的書面報道都是尊重大院嘛
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transcript.whisperx[10383].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[10384].text 那也就保留
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transcript.whisperx[10391].text 應該按照這個
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transcript.whisperx[10395].text 那則應該按照
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transcript.whisperx[10396].text 他產品的類型重量
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transcript.whisperx[10397].text 用途還有使用的情境分別
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transcript.whisperx[10398].text 符合適用的這個商品檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[10401].text 另外數畫部也已經成立
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transcript.whisperx[10406].text 那通過檢測的這個廠商
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transcript.whisperx[10407].text 的資訊也已經公佈在官方網站
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transcript.whisperx[10410].text 好數畫部
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transcript.whisperx[10412].text 保留
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transcript.whisperx[10415].text 無人載具的國際合作也已經
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transcript.whisperx[10431].text 已經可以
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transcript.whisperx[10432].text 讓這個
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transcript.whisperx[10433].text 產業及國際情勢
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transcript.whisperx[10435].text 建立無需令立法規範
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transcript.whisperx[10436].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[10437].text 好,所以一樣喔
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transcript.whisperx[10438].text 這是保留,那我們一併加速
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transcript.whisperx[10439].text 所以針對國民黨團體驗第14條
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transcript.whisperx[10440].text 第17條、第18條、第19條
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transcript.whisperx[10444].text 扶老機制都已經有了
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transcript.whisperx[10445].text 所以我們是建立無需立法規範
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transcript.whisperx[10446].text 好,一樣一併保留
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transcript.whisperx[10447].text 接下來我們進行台灣民眾黨團體驗第4條
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transcript.whisperx[10449].text 提案的第3條
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transcript.whisperx[10452].text 成立這個
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transcript.whisperx[10453].text 戰略發展的
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transcript.whisperx[10454].text 特別委員會
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transcript.whisperx[10455].text 然後或者是像這個無人載具自主發展委員會
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transcript.whisperx[10456].text 等等,請經濟部
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transcript.whisperx[10457].text 好,那這個部分經濟部說明
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transcript.whisperx[10458].text 那目前行政已經有
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transcript.whisperx[10459].text 這個核定的統籌型計畫
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transcript.whisperx[10460].text 那副院長也定期會召開
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transcript.whisperx[10463].text 來統籌協調
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transcript.whisperx[10465].text 產業發展及民主供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[10466].text 等相關的事項
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transcript.whisperx[10467].text 目前的行政協調的機制主導的層級
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transcript.whisperx[10468].text 跟參與的成員
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transcript.whisperx[10469].text 都足以來推動相關的工作
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transcript.whisperx[10470].text 並有監察管制的
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transcript.whisperx[10471].text 管考的這個機制
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transcript.whisperx[10472].text 建立不需要立法,吝嗇委員會
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transcript.whisperx[10473].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[10474].text 我只問一個簡單問題,現在現行的機制
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transcript.whisperx[10475].text 有外聘的學友專家、人數那些
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transcript.whisperx[10476].text 有嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[10477].text 我們在一些
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transcript.whisperx[10478].text 下面才有
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transcript.whisperx[10479].text 好,了解現況
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transcript.whisperx[10480].text 那一樣,一併保留
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transcript.whisperx[10481].text 接下來的話,台灣民眾黨團
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transcript.whisperx[10482].text 提案第八條
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transcript.whisperx[10483].text 委員中家
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transcript.whisperx[10484].text 對不起,台灣民眾黨團提案的第六條
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transcript.whisperx[10485].text 好,那這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[10486].text 超市劇的飛行
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transcript.whisperx[10487].text 跟夜間飛行、群飛、自主飛行
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transcript.whisperx[10488].text 等的這些無人機的
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transcript.whisperx[10489].text 飛航管制的制度已經由
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transcript.whisperx[10490].text 交通部民航局
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transcript.whisperx[10492].text 來辦理,並已經納入統籌型
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transcript.whisperx[10494].text 建立不需立法來規範
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transcript.whisperx[10495].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[10496].text 一樣,提案保留,接下來的話
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transcript.whisperx[10498].text 委員中家賓提案第十條
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transcript.whisperx[10499].text 王定宇提案的第九條
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transcript.whisperx[10500].text 主要是在供應鏈分級認證
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transcript.whisperx[10501].text 跟可信鏈供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[10502].text 好,那這一部說明
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transcript.whisperx[10505].text 應依現行的
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transcript.whisperx[10506].text 這個軍事
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transcript.whisperx[10508].text 個案契約要求來辦理
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transcript.whisperx[10510].text 那至於民用無人機
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transcript.whisperx[10511].text 並由這個經濟部標準檢驗局
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transcript.whisperx[10513].text 速發部來分別辦理
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transcript.whisperx[10515].text 以及自通安全的相關的檢測
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transcript.whisperx[10516].text 另外經濟部也已經將外國
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transcript.whisperx[10518].text 認證的這個機構合作
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transcript.whisperx[10519].text 納入統籌型計畫中,並支持
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transcript.whisperx[10520].text 公務員推動GreenUS
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transcript.whisperx[10521].text 的驗證機制,協助US
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transcript.whisperx[10522].text 接軌國際市場
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transcript.whisperx[10523].text 故建立無需立法規範
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transcript.whisperx[10524].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[10525].text 主席
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transcript.whisperx[10526].text 對於這個供應鏈的分級認證制度呢
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transcript.whisperx[10527].text 這個是要另案
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transcript.whisperx[10528].text 好好的來討論啦
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transcript.whisperx[10529].text 那因為今天那麼多版本
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transcript.whisperx[10530].text 很多版本聚焦在採購
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transcript.whisperx[10531].text 那討論到其他的,包括
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transcript.whisperx[10532].text 本席剛剛的前面14條我已經表達了
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transcript.whisperx[10533].text 我的版本,我是認為
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transcript.whisperx[10534].text 有必要,但是可以跟
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transcript.whisperx[10536].text 實驗條例來共同做處理
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transcript.whisperx[10537].text 那麼至於後面的
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transcript.whisperx[10538].text 第3條也好,第10條也好
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transcript.whisperx[10539].text 本席的版本,剛剛有說了不能
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transcript.whisperx[10540].text 單獨條文保留
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transcript.whisperx[10541].text 我是會傾向後面我的條文的版本
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transcript.whisperx[10542].text 那今天溢出了採購方案的版本
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transcript.whisperx[10543].text 就是保留在本委員會
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transcript.whisperx[10544].text 我們另日我們會再有提案
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transcript.whisperx[10545].text 來進行,所以我雖然
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transcript.whisperx[10546].text 對於民眾黨團的版本
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transcript.whisperx[10547].text 我並沒有認同是可以
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transcript.whisperx[10548].text 同意,但是呢
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transcript.whisperx[10549].text 我也可以接受它保留
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transcript.whisperx[10550].text 但是我的部分是保留在
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transcript.whisperx[10551].text 委員會,並只說明
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transcript.whisperx[10552].text 你是整個版本喔?
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transcript.whisperx[10553].text 就是你的整個版本而已
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transcript.whisperx[10554].text 那其他的版本我們就是送
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transcript.whisperx[10555].text OK,就是你的版本留在委員會
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transcript.whisperx[10556].text OK,好
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transcript.whisperx[10557].text 好,所以這一個
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transcript.whisperx[10558].text 一樣,這邊就是保留
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transcript.whisperx[10559].text 好,接下來的話
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transcript.whisperx[10562].text 這一條,裡面涉及到
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transcript.whisperx[10563].text 網路通訊
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transcript.whisperx[10564].text 平埔的規劃,以及相關
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transcript.whisperx[10565].text 基礎設施,涉及到
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transcript.whisperx[10566].text 速發部
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transcript.whisperx[10567].text 無線電
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transcript.whisperx[10568].text 頻率規劃與
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transcript.whisperx[10569].text 核配,還有NCC
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transcript.whisperx[10570].text 國家通訊傳播委員會的
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transcript.whisperx[10571].text 通訊傳播及設備器材的
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transcript.whisperx[10572].text 管理,以及交通部國防部
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transcript.whisperx[10573].text 等相關機關的權責
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transcript.whisperx[10574].text 目前均已經有相關的
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transcript.whisperx[10575].text 法規及機制可以依循
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transcript.whisperx[10576].text 辦理,建立無需立法
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transcript.whisperx[10577].text 規範,以上
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transcript.whisperx[10578].text 所以這個保留,看起來大家都
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transcript.whisperx[10579].text 想保留
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transcript.whisperx[10580].text 所以我們現在就從
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transcript.whisperx[10581].text 第33月開始
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transcript.whisperx[10582].text 到後面
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transcript.whisperx[10583].text 其他的法案的部分
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transcript.whisperx[10584].text 等等,35月不行喔
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transcript.whisperx[10585].text 35月是國防採購喔
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transcript.whisperx[10586].text 這個不是產業輔導喔
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transcript.whisperx[10587].text 我這邊是不是主席給你
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transcript.whisperx[10588].text 好,那我們就是
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transcript.whisperx[10590].text 第十條
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transcript.whisperx[10591].text 一直到台灣民眾黨團的
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transcript.whisperx[10592].text 第十一條保留
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transcript.whisperx[10593].text 接下來我們進行的是
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transcript.whisperx[10594].text 台灣民眾黨團第十二條國防採購
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transcript.whisperx[10595].text 委員會世保
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transcript.whisperx[10596].text 第十六條
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transcript.whisperx[10597].text 宗家兵提案的第八條
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transcript.whisperx[10598].text 以及王定宇傳譯的第七條
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transcript.whisperx[10599].text 請
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transcript.whisperx[10600].text 請
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transcript.whisperx[10601].text 好,中委員
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transcript.whisperx[10602].text 雖然本席的第八條
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transcript.whisperx[10603].text 我剛才也建議本席的本案全案
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transcript.whisperx[10604].text 保留在委員會
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transcript.whisperx[10605].text 但是不代表我認同台灣民眾黨的第十二條
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transcript.whisperx[10606].text 因為這裡面都加
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transcript.whisperx[10607].text 國防部應如何
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transcript.whisperx[10608].text 應如何
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transcript.whisperx[10609].text 這些都是強加
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transcript.whisperx[10610].text 一些不切實際的採購要求
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transcript.whisperx[10611].text 國防部現在最需要的
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transcript.whisperx[10613].text 是
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transcript.whisperx[10614].text 需要怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[10615].text 要受到既有的傳統的採購的限制
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transcript.whisperx[10616].text 這是國防部不需要的
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transcript.whisperx[10617].text 寫了這麼多原則性的內容
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transcript.whisperx[10618].text 完全對國防部沒有任何的幫助
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transcript.whisperx[10619].text 所以呢,本席反對
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transcript.whisperx[10620].text 第十二條
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transcript.whisperx[10621].text 那至於第十六條的部分
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transcript.whisperx[10622].text 這個在世保委員的V版呢
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transcript.whisperx[10623].text 跟本席的內容是稍微相近
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transcript.whisperx[10624].text 但是看委員怎麼判斷
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transcript.whisperx[10625].text 是不是要留在委員會
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transcript.whisperx[10626].text 以後一起討論
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transcript.whisperx[10627].text 不然的話,本席是反對民眾黨團第十二條
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transcript.whisperx[10628].text 好,保留,謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[10629].text 接下來,第30的
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transcript.whisperx[10630].text 那至保委員的第17條
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transcript.whisperx[10631].text 36
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transcript.whisperx[10632].text 好,跟委員報告
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transcript.whisperx[10633].text 這個有關公務機
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transcript.whisperx[10634].text 公務部門採購需求的盤點
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transcript.whisperx[10635].text 還有國際市場的開發
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transcript.whisperx[10636].text 以及產業外銷輔導
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transcript.whisperx[10637].text 等措施已經納入統籌型計畫
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transcript.whisperx[10638].text 那各政府機關
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transcript.whisperx[10642].text 訂定的遙控無人機採購
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transcript.whisperx[10643].text 作業指引來辦理
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transcript.whisperx[10644].text 均有非榮及國產零主建
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transcript.whisperx[10645].text 使用的規範,建立不需要
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transcript.whisperx[10646].text 訂定立法規範,以上
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transcript.whisperx[10647].text 好,一樣保留送委員會
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transcript.whisperx[10648].text 接下來,台灣民眾黨團第13條
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transcript.whisperx[10649].text 好,那第13條
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transcript.whisperx[10652].text 人才培訓,公務無人機的使用
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transcript.whisperx[10653].text 共同供應企業,以及國際合作
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transcript.whisperx[10654].text 等相關的工作
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transcript.whisperx[10655].text 都已經納入統籌型計畫來推動
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transcript.whisperx[10657].text 國防機閩的資訊
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transcript.whisperx[10658].text 個人的資料等,考量
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transcript.whisperx[10659].text 這個資訊集中的資安的風險
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transcript.whisperx[10660].text 且不宜對外公開,建立
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transcript.whisperx[10662].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[10663].text 因為我們已經有寫說說你會有涉及國防機閩等等會去市北化公布的
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transcript.whisperx[10665].text 再來的話,台灣民眾黨團第14條
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transcript.whisperx[10666].text 鍾嘉斌提案的第16條
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transcript.whisperx[10667].text 王定宇提案第15條
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transcript.whisperx[10668].text 法治的部分
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transcript.whisperx[10669].text 好,那這一條就是
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transcript.whisperx[10672].text 如發現資格不符
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transcript.whisperx[10673].text 虛偽造假
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transcript.whisperx[10675].text 在政府採購法,產創條例
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transcript.whisperx[10676].text 以及相關的法令都定有查核跟處分的機制
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transcript.whisperx[10677].text 那補助案件
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transcript.whisperx[10679].text 第二項
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transcript.whisperx[10680].text 授權訂定的補助辦法及契約規定
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transcript.whisperx[10681].text 辦理查核
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transcript.whisperx[10682].text 停止撥款,撤銷或廢止補助
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transcript.whisperx[10683].text 並追回款項
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transcript.whisperx[10684].text 政府採購法的案件
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transcript.whisperx[10686].text 請求法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[10687].text 請求法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[10688].text 請求法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[10689].text 請求法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[10690].text 請求法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[10691].text 請求法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[10692].text 請求法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[10693].text 請求法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[10694].text 請求法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[10695].text 請求法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[10696].text 請求法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[10697].text 請求法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[10698].text 請求法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[10699].text 請求法定人數不足
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transcript.whisperx[10701].text 應由採購機關
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transcript.whisperx[10703].text 按照權責辦理
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transcript.whisperx[10704].text 數位發展部
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transcript.whisperx[10705].text 數位發布既有的無人機資安檢測及認證機制
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transcript.whisperx[10708].text 可以就資安提供協助
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transcript.whisperx[10709].text 涉及到詐欺偽造文書
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transcript.whisperx[10710].text 可以就資安提供協助涉及到詐欺偽造文書
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transcript.whisperx[10711].text 或使公務人員登載不實等情事
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transcript.whisperx[10712].text 或使公務人員登載不實等情事
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transcript.whisperx[10713].text 則可以按照刑法等相關規定來處理
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transcript.whisperx[10714].text 建立無需另立法來規範
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transcript.whisperx[10715].text 建立無需另立法來規範
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transcript.whisperx[10716].text 好 一樣保留
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transcript.whisperx[10717].text 接下來的話我們看第四十頁
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transcript.whisperx[10719].text 好 那這一條有關無人機的產業發展
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transcript.whisperx[10720].text 空域的管理
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transcript.whisperx[10721].text 測試場域以及可信任供應鏈
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transcript.whisperx[10722].end 29389.12
transcript.whisperx[10722].text 等相關的工作
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transcript.whisperx[10723].text 已經納入統籌型計畫推動
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transcript.whisperx[10724].text 並由相關計畫因遭權責辦理
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transcript.whisperx[10725].text 建立無需立法規範 以上
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transcript.whisperx[10726].text 好 一樣保留
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transcript.whisperx[10727].text 接下來的話 第四十頁
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transcript.whisperx[10728].text 委員拉四保的第五條
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transcript.whisperx[10729].text 鍾家斌提案第七條
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transcript.whisperx[10730].text 王定遠提案的第六條
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transcript.whisperx[10731].text 租稅優惠
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transcript.whisperx[10732].text 這個我提醒 處長喔
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transcript.whisperx[10733].text 這個是鼓勵廠商投入
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transcript.whisperx[10734].text 無人機產業的發展喔
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transcript.whisperx[10735].text 你
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transcript.whisperx[10736].text 緊正回答 你不要
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transcript.whisperx[10737].text 看到大致上就說 保保的不要的
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transcript.whisperx[10738].text 不需要不需要
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transcript.whisperx[10739].text 鼓勵廠商給他一些誘因喔
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transcript.whisperx[10740].text 你先不要管
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transcript.whisperx[10741].text 產業部投入同意 就是鼓勵
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transcript.whisperx[10742].text 不要等明天人家性質做很大
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transcript.whisperx[10743].text 說經濟部反對
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transcript.whisperx[10744].text 這個廠商投入
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transcript.whisperx[10745].text 不獎勵 廠商投入
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transcript.whisperx[10746].text 無人機產業喔 小心喔
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transcript.whisperx[10747].text 好 跟我們報告
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transcript.whisperx[10748].text 並不是說經濟部反對喔
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transcript.whisperx[10749].text 是現有的機制就已經有
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transcript.whisperx[10750].text 這些獎勵的措施
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transcript.whisperx[10751].text 我們評高啦 評你現在好啊
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transcript.whisperx[10752].text 好 我說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[10753].text 就是現有的產創條例第十條
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transcript.whisperx[10754].text 就研發支出的投資抵減
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transcript.whisperx[10755].text 已經提供這些獎勵的誘因
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transcript.whisperx[10756].text 那第十條是
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transcript.whisperx[10757].text 投資抵減多少
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transcript.whisperx[10758].text 目前是15%
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transcript.whisperx[10759].text 15% 我25%
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transcript.whisperx[10760].text 我比你多啊
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transcript.whisperx[10761].text 對不對 我比你多啦
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transcript.whisperx[10762].text 又有錢去啊
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transcript.whisperx[10763].text 另外就是說
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transcript.whisperx[10764].text 也有針對研發跟設備的支出提高抵減率
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transcript.whisperx[10765].text 你們是多長
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transcript.whisperx[10766].text 就20億
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transcript.whisperx[10767].text 20億可以做投資抵減
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transcript.whisperx[10768].text 可以做這個投資抵減
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transcript.whisperx[10769].text 好 而且研發支出與設備的投資的性質
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transcript.whisperx[10770].text 跟現行的優惠不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[10771].text 建立回歸這個產創條例的
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transcript.whisperx[10772].text 來做整體的一個檢討
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transcript.whisperx[10773].text 產創不夠嘛
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transcript.whisperx[10774].text 不如針對個別的產業
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transcript.whisperx[10775].text 條例來領養
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transcript.whisperx[10776].text 不需要
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transcript.whisperx[10777].text 這樣講就要給他
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transcript.whisperx[10778].text 產業變成第二座的福國神社
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transcript.whisperx[10779].text 現在還說不要對各個產業
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transcript.whisperx[10780].text 情好矛盾喔 市長
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transcript.whisperx[10781].text 你膝蓋是粉印喔
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transcript.whisperx[10782].text 中間那邊委員
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transcript.whisperx[10783].text 沒問題 因為我已經表達
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transcript.whisperx[10784].text 我的案子跟賴時寶有重疊的部分
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transcript.whisperx[10785].text 但是我認為要全案保留在委員會
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transcript.whisperx[10786].text 因為我需要更多的時間
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transcript.whisperx[10787].text 來跟剛剛說的無人載具科技創新實驗條例
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transcript.whisperx[10788].text 來做個整合
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transcript.whisperx[10789].text 事實上我也看賴委員的內容
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transcript.whisperx[10790].text 其實經濟部長說的也沒錯
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transcript.whisperx[10791].text 這些既有的條文
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transcript.whisperx[10792].text 既有的法制都具備
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transcript.whisperx[10793].text 只是是不是要做一些調整
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transcript.whisperx[10794].text 我是覺得有討論餘地
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transcript.whisperx[10795].text 那既然賴時寶委員要保留我們就保留
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transcript.whisperx[10796].text 楊全委員
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transcript.whisperx[10797].text 我覺得這個條文很重要啊
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transcript.whisperx[10798].text 因為我也是提案人啊
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transcript.whisperx[10799].text 在我們目前所提
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transcript.whisperx[10800].text 是15%而已啊
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transcript.whisperx[10801].text 那我們今天的提案稅行政部門
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transcript.whisperx[10802].text 我們大家討論嘛
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transcript.whisperx[10803].text 答不成就是送協商
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transcript.whisperx[10804].text 我們再繼續討論嘛
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transcript.whisperx[10805].text 但是不要沒有看到內容就認為不要啊
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transcript.whisperx[10806].text 我認為需要啊
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transcript.whisperx[10807].text 他只有15%根本沒有辦法
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transcript.whisperx[10808].text 真的充分去協助啊
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transcript.whisperx[10809].text 而且在我們的這個
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transcript.whisperx[10810].text 前向投資的抵減
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transcript.whisperx[10811].text 你剛才說是21啊 那你21的標準
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transcript.whisperx[10812].text 是什麼啊 我們今天所提
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transcript.whisperx[10813].text 的是公司
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transcript.whisperx[10814].text 該無人載具公司
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transcript.whisperx[10815].text 當年度因賴營利事業所得稅
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transcript.whisperx[10816].text 而50%
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transcript.whisperx[10817].text 為限耶
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transcript.whisperx[10818].text 那你有一個比例啊 那你今天20億
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transcript.whisperx[10819].text 到底你們的比例是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[10820].text 喜歡的都多一點 不喜歡少一點
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transcript.whisperx[10821].text 還是多少的額度怎麼樣比例
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transcript.whisperx[10822].text 我們
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transcript.whisperx[10823].text 不能如此 我們是把比例
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transcript.whisperx[10824].text 訂的很清楚就50%
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transcript.whisperx[10825].text 以內嘛
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transcript.whisperx[10826].text 那所以不能一句話就說
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transcript.whisperx[10827].text 這個沒有必要啊 你們現在已經有
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transcript.whisperx[10828].text 你們哪裡有
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transcript.whisperx[10829].text 比例也不一樣 你的內容也不一樣啊
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transcript.whisperx[10830].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[10831].text 那個主席很重要
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transcript.whisperx[10832].text 跟我們報告就是我們的20億
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transcript.whisperx[10833].text 是全部都可以來做
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transcript.whisperx[10834].text 投資抵減 他沒有一個比例
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transcript.whisperx[10835].text 的這個
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transcript.whisperx[10836].text 那這個更奇怪啊 他完全沒有比例
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transcript.whisperx[10837].text 沒有一個規矩
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transcript.whisperx[10838].text 你要把那個訂出來啦
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transcript.whisperx[10839].text 對啊 營利事業所得
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transcript.whisperx[10840].text 所以我們一定有 怎麼可能20億都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[10841].text 沒有那個比例 那有那個
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transcript.whisperx[10842].text 沒有那個
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transcript.whisperx[10843].text 還是項目多少 還是金額
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transcript.whisperx[10844].text 多少 20億都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[10845].text 那不是你隨便你要講多少就多少嗎
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transcript.whisperx[10846].text 這個他如果
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transcript.whisperx[10847].text 這個採購設備啦
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transcript.whisperx[10848].text 或是採購一些研發設備
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transcript.whisperx[10849].text 都可以來做投資抵減
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transcript.whisperx[10850].text 所以也沒有額度的限制 也沒有比例的限制
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transcript.whisperx[10852].text 總Total20億 但是20億每一家來的
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transcript.whisperx[10853].text 沒有金額的限制
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transcript.whisperx[10854].text 也沒有比例的限制
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transcript.whisperx[10855].text 就最高20億 最高20億
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transcript.whisperx[10856].text 但是要拿憑證來核銷
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transcript.whisperx[10857].text 我們還是希望了解內容
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transcript.whisperx[10858].text 我們希望多支持
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transcript.whisperx[10859].text 所以這條很重要 要通過
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transcript.whisperx[10860].text 建議不一定立法規範
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transcript.whisperx[10861].text 不要 保留在紀錄協商
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transcript.whisperx[10862].text 在43開始
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transcript.whisperx[10863].text 一直跳
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transcript.whisperx[10864].text 58月的上面都是賴世保委員
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transcript.whisperx[10865].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[10866].text 體驗啊
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transcript.whisperx[10867].text 是不是我們
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transcript.whisperx[10868].text 這個部分就是
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transcript.whisperx[10869].text 因為
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transcript.whisperx[10870].text 待會講到這個生技產業
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transcript.whisperx[10871].text 跟無人機產業
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transcript.whisperx[10872].text 就是要比照來生技產業
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transcript.whisperx[10873].text 那我們是
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transcript.whisperx[10874].text 認為就是說這個
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transcript.whisperx[10875].text 業者他已經可以按照這個
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transcript.whisperx[10876].text 產創條例來這個做
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transcript.whisperx[10877].text 一些投資抵減跟設備的
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transcript.whisperx[10878].text 一個採購的一個抵減
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transcript.whisperx[10879].text 所以我們是建議就是說
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transcript.whisperx[10880].text 這個部分不需要再令
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transcript.whisperx[10881].text 立法規範
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transcript.whisperx[10882].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[10883].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[10884].text 對
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transcript.whisperx[10885].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[10886].text 對
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transcript.whisperx[10887].text 6到13條啦
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transcript.whisperx[10888].text 這邊就全部保留就對了
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transcript.whisperx[10889].text 還有第18
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transcript.whisperx[10890].text 6到13對還有第18
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transcript.whisperx[10893].text 王定義提案
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transcript.whisperx[10894].text 資安的
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transcript.whisperx[10895].text 法院
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transcript.whisperx[10896].text 我是7月對不起
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transcript.whisperx[10897].text 57月的另外第5條也是保留啦
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transcript.whisperx[10898].text 然後接下來是58的
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transcript.whisperx[10899].text 這個中加邊提案
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transcript.whisperx[10900].text 跟王定義提案
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transcript.whisperx[10901].text 因為中加邊委員已經表達
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transcript.whisperx[10902].text 他要全份保留了嘛所以就
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transcript.whisperx[10903].text 就保留了嘛
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transcript.whisperx[10904].text 對啊因為我念一下
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transcript.whisperx[10905].text 就是王定義也是
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transcript.whisperx[10906].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[10908].text 這個就根本狗屁不通啦
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transcript.whisperx[10909].text 所以這個莫名其妙1 2 3 4項
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transcript.whisperx[10910].text 連最後第4項條文都沒有寫得很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[10911].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[10912].text 不要把自己降格啦連的話都講出來
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transcript.whisperx[10913].text 靠追蹤耶
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transcript.whisperx[10914].text 好所以接下來我稍微念一下
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transcript.whisperx[10915].text 從第58月開始
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transcript.whisperx[10916].text 就是委員中加邊的
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transcript.whisperx[10918].text 王定義提案的第8條
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transcript.whisperx[10924].text 王定義等提案的第14條
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transcript.whisperx[10925].text 還有到這個
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transcript.whisperx[10927].text 第17
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transcript.whisperx[10929].text 保留
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transcript.whisperx[10930].text 然後接下來的話是
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transcript.whisperx[10931].text 國民黨團體案的第20條
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transcript.whisperx[10932].text 第21條
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transcript.whisperx[10933].text 第21條應該是那個
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transcript.whisperx[10934].text 稍微念一下
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transcript.whisperx[10935].text 好第20條這個是保留
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transcript.whisperx[10937].text 以及第21條
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transcript.whisperx[10938].text 政政卷尾的修正動議
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transcript.whisperx[10939].text 一併保留
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transcript.whisperx[10940].text 再來
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transcript.whisperx[10943].text 實施細則這一個應該是保留
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transcript.whisperx[10944].text 好接下來的話
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transcript.whisperx[10945].text 到這邊是
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transcript.whisperx[10947].text 國民黨團體案的第23
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transcript.whisperx[10948].text 台灣民眾黨的第17
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transcript.whisperx[10949].text 以及包含
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transcript.whisperx[10950].text 我一直念到後面
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transcript.whisperx[10951].text 當然等委員中加邊
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transcript.whisperx[10952].text 到委員王定義提案
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transcript.whisperx[10953].text 那主要是這邊
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transcript.whisperx[10954].text 跟這個實施期間
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transcript.whisperx[10955].text 所以我想這個也是
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transcript.whisperx[10956].text 一併保留
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transcript.whisperx[10957].text 好我們請一併宣讀協商結論
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transcript.whisperx[10958].text 宣讀協商結論
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transcript.whisperx[10959].text 除討論事項
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transcript.whisperx[10960].text 第13案委員中加邊
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transcript.whisperx[10961].text 黨會實施原理據
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transcript.whisperx[10962].text 國光自主文宰據採購
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transcript.whisperx[10963].text 暨產業創建特別條例草案
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transcript.whisperx[10964].text 陸定級繼續審查外
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transcript.whisperx[10965].text 區各案之條名稱
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transcript.whisperx[10966].text 法說條文及修正動議
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transcript.whisperx[10967].text 均保留上院會協商
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transcript.whisperx[10968].text 處理商會宣布
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transcript.whisperx[10969].text 我把它念錯了
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transcript.whisperx[10970].text 對不起
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transcript.whisperx[10971].text 抱歉抱歉
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transcript.whisperx[10972].text 喂出去啊
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transcript.whisperx[10973].text 我
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transcript.whisperx[10974].text 我覺得好歹我們坐一天嘛
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transcript.whisperx[10975].text 有一個公司就有一個公司就沒有了
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transcript.whisperx[10976].text 最後一條能不能有公司二條
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transcript.whisperx[10977].text 最後一條時間
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transcript.whisperx[10978].text 你們行政部門講的不對啊
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transcript.whisperx[10979].text 你說
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transcript.whisperx[10980].text 那個特別條例
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transcript.whisperx[10981].text 預算期間從115年8月以後
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transcript.whisperx[10982].text 8月就搞了
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transcript.whisperx[10983].text 所以這個是明顯的不對啊
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transcript.whisperx[10984].text 這個這個這個
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transcript.whisperx[10985].text 這個這個
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transcript.whisperx[10986].text 這個這個
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transcript.whisperx[10987].text 這個這個
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transcript.whisperx[10988].text 這個這個
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transcript.whisperx[10989].text 這個這個
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