| IVOD_ID |
17613 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17613 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
公聽會-2026071641 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
召開「如何藉由無人載具專法，強化國防自主促進國際合作發展本土產業」公聽會 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
公聽會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會公聽會（事由：召開「如何藉由無人載具專法，強化國防自主促進國際合作發展本土產業」公聽會） |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-23T08:33:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-23T12:37:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:03:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2026-07-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會公聽會（事由：召開「如何藉由無人載具專法，強化國防自主促進國際合作發展本土產業」公聽會） |
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哈哈哈哈 |
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現在開會 |
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今天本會舉行 |
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1601.63 |
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如何藉由無人載具專法強化國防自主 |
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1601.63 |
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1603.63 |
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促進國際合作 |
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1603.63 |
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1605.63 |
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發展本土產業公聽會 |
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1605.63 |
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1608.63 |
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希望聽取各界專家學者的意見 |
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1608.63 |
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1610.63 |
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也非常感謝各位學者專家 |
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以及各政府主管機關 |
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1612.63 |
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1615.63 |
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相關機關的代表蒞臨指教 |
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1615.63 |
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1617.63 |
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那我們會詳實的記錄各位的意見 |
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列入立法院的公報記錄 |
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1619.63 |
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1622.63 |
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作為日後審查相關法案的參考 |
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1623.63 |
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那首先 |
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1625.63 |
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主席在這裡代理召委 |
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1625.63 |
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1627.63 |
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來說明經濟委員會 |
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1627.63 |
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1631.63 |
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以及財政和國防外交聯席 |
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1633.63 |
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即將審查的 |
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1635.63 |
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關於無人載具專法 |
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那目前呢在上週 |
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1639.63 |
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已經有四部專法呢 |
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1639.63 |
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1641.63 |
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進入我們的聯席審查 |
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1641.63 |
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1644.63 |
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那麼也進行了第一次的詢答 |
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1644.63 |
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1646.63 |
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到昨天 |
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1646.63 |
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1648.63 |
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另外十部十個版本 |
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1650.63 |
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也由院會交到 |
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1652.63 |
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本經濟委員會 |
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1652.63 |
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1654.63 |
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及其會在下週 |
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1654.63 |
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1656.63 |
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有輪值的組委 |
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1656.63 |
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1659.63 |
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輪值的召委來安排進行 |
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1659.63 |
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1661.63 |
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這十個版本的提案說明 |
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1661.63 |
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1663.63 |
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以及後續的審查 |
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1663.63 |
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1664.63 |
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那我們是希望呢 |
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1664.63 |
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1666.63 |
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這個無人機專法是各界矚目 |
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1666.63 |
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1669.63 |
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不只是攸關台灣本身 |
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1669.63 |
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1671.63 |
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國防自主戰力的提升 |
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1671.63 |
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1674.63 |
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如何在不對稱作戰的趨勢之下 |
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1674.63 |
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1677.63 |
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滿足我們國軍戰備的需求 |
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1677.63 |
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1680.63 |
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同時我們也希望能夠藉由此次機會 |
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1680.63 |
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1682.63 |
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能夠來將已經蓬勃發展 |
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1682.63 |
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1684.63 |
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國內的無人載具相關產業 |
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1684.63 |
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1686.63 |
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能夠進行整合 |
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1686.63 |
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1689.63 |
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不只是作為國外供應鏈的供應商 |
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1689.63 |
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1691.63 |
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而能夠發展成生態系 |
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1691.63 |
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1696.63 |
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讓無人載具能夠在台灣本土深耕發展 |
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1696.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1698.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
因此呢今天的公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1698.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1700.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
會決定未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1700.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1703.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
台灣的無人載具產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1703.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1707.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
也能夠影響到台灣未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1707.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1710.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
國防自主防衛整備的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1710.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1713.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
那我們最近在報章雜誌媒體上 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1713.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1715.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
看到很多相關的報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1715.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1717.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
有各種不同的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1717.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1719.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
尤其是對於政府預算的編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1719.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1721.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
有各種的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1721.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1725.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
那我們接送到本委員會的14個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1725.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1727.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
也多有對這些有所著墨 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1727.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1731.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
因此今天除了上週交互審查4個版本之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1731.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1734.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
也歡迎今天在座的學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1734.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1736.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
也可以就其他的10個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1736.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1741.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
我們會在立法院上的公告網路上都看得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1741.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1743.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
那麼能夠就這些14個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1743.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1745.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
提供給寶貴的意見讓我們參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1745.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1746.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
那我們也希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1746.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1749.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
列席的相關政府機關的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1749.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1752.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
能夠把握這珍貴的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1752.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1754.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
能夠來向社會發聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1754.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1759.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
畢竟產業不只是要看立法院審查專法的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1759.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1762.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
也看行政機關在相關的準備作為上 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1762.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1765.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
是否已經有充裕的準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1765.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1768.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
做好了這樣的一個施政計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1768.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1769.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
以及推行的決心 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1769.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1771.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
我想今天這個空聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1771.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1774.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
社會在看產業關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1774.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1776.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
行政機關應該要據理說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1776.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1778.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
而我們學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1778.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1780.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
就希望發揮你們寶貴的專業意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
1780.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1781.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
給我們批評指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
1781.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1783.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
那接下來我們來介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
1783.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1786.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
今天的學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
1786.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1790.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
那我就按照剛剛來報到的順序 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
1790.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
1792.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
第一位是他的單位是 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1792.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1797.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
中華民國空軍退役中將田在邁將軍中將 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
1797.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
1798.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
1799.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
1802.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
第二位是中華民國海軍退役少將 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
1802.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
1804.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
夏光雅夏將軍歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
1805.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
1811.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
第三位是資策會資訊工業測鏡會產業情報研究所的 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
1811.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
1814.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
洪春輝洪所長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
1814.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
1818.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
第四位是之陽之科技公司的 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
1818.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
1820.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
贊祥至總經理歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
1821.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
1826.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
第五位是民傳大學公共事務學系的 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
1826.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
1829.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
紀俊辰紀教授歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
1830.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
1835.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
以及第六位是中華戰略暨兵棋研究協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
1835.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
1837.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
黃介正理事長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
1838.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
1843.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
第七位是國立台灣大學機械工程學系 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
1843.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
1847.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
也是無人載具中心的李剛李教授歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
1848.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
1852.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
第八位是洪生科技公司的 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
1852.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
1854.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
李東生理總經理歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
1855.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
1857.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
第九位是台翔航太 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
1859.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
1864.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
工業的代理總經理呂宜萱呂總經理歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
1865.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
1868.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
好那麼後續呢我們學者大家報到之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
1868.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
1870.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
還有第十位 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
1870.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
1872.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
國立台灣大學機械工程學系 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
1872.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
1874.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
中生特聘教授陳秉輝陳教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
1875.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
1877.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
那麼以及來的第十一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
1877.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
1881.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
全球防衛雜誌的陳國民採訪主任歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
1882.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
1886.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
好那麼因為今天呢受邀的學者專家一共有14位 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
1886.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
1890.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
那我們後續還有三位呢報到後我們15位 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
1892.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
1896.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
喔對不起45位後續報到後我們會再跟他介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
1896.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
1898.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
那接下來我們來 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
1899.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
1901.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
介紹我們的官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
1902.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
1907.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
那麼我們經濟部首先是產業發展署的周宇星周副署長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
1908.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
1909.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
1909.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
1913.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
經濟部標準檢驗局的陳秋果檢證記證歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
1914.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
1918.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
以及台灣電力公司供電處的林俊宏 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
1918.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
1920.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
林處長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
1920.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
1925.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
以及台灣國際造船股份有限公司的陳政鴻陳董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
1925.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
1928.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
董事長預假出征啊所以把你們的模型放在台前喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
1928.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
1930.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
表示我們對你們的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
1931.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
1937.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
好財政法人傳播進海洋產業研究研發中心中豐養副處長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
1938.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
1941.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
好接下來呢是國防部國防部非常重視喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
1941.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
1945.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
所以國防部呢是由常務次長陳文新陳常次歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
1946.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
1949.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
那麼以及軍備局的王德本王副局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
1951.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
1952.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
有那到了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
1953.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
1956.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
謝謝您可以坐前面一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
1956.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
1962.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
好以及呢我們國防部主計局的謝其賢謝局長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
1963.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
1968.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
那麼財政部來的也是很重視喔是陳永勝陳政務次長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
1968.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
1972.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
以及附稅署的專門委員吳秀麟吳專門委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
1973.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
1975.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
你又站起來給大家看一下謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
1975.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
1978.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
還有國庫署的陳思宇陳科長喔好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
1978.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
1983.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
交通部呢是由杭政司代表代理副市長我們段維平副市長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
1985.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
1989.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
那麼民國航空局呢是耿化耿副組長歡迎您又見面了 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
1989.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
1993.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
航港局是王世梅王副組長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
1993.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
1998.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
中華郵政公司是由柯清常科處長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
1999.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
2004.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
行政院公共工程委員會是來羅天劍羅主任秘書 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
2004.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
2006.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
2006 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
2008 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
那麼內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
2009.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
2012.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
內政部是由鄭信偉鄭參事 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
2013.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
2014.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
2014.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
2019.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
那另外內政部有國家公元署綜合計畫組的陳慶芳陳川普委員歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
2020.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
2023.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
警政署保防組的董欣欣副組長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
2024.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
2028.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
消防署救災救護組的陳世勳副組長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
2029.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
2034.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
那麼國家通訊傳播委員會來的是我們鄭敏成檢認記證歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
2035.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
2039.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
處罰部是我們資通安全署的李東宜李組長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
2039.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
2043.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
中華電信是由吳亦周吳處長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
2043.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
2048.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
海洋委員會的綜合規劃處是由我們王庭傑王科長歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
2048.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
2054.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
那麼其他的列席的相關主管機關及官員名單就請參閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
2054.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
2059.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
那接下來我們對今天的這個發言我大概是這樣說 |
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2059.48 |
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2064.48 |
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首先我們會請經濟部代表來報告時間8分鐘 |
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2064.48 |
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2069.48 |
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其餘有提書面報告的單位包括訴發部國防部財政部交通部 |
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2069.48 |
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2072.48 |
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要補充時間給你5分鐘 |
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2072.48 |
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2076.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
那本次公聽會探討的議題以提価為準請自行參閱 |
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2076.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
2082.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
那麼與會的專家學者代表我們會提供10分鐘的發言時間 |
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2082.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
2085.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
第一輪的發言時間因為我想把發言時間都讓他知道一下 |
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2085.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
2089.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
表示我們非常尊重與會的學者專家 |
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2089.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
2093.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
那也給予我們行政機關充分的時間來進行 |
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2093.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
2097.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
首先就經濟部代表來提出報告時間8分鐘謝謝 |
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2105.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
2109.66 |
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主席各位委員各位產業的先進各位女士先生大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
2109.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
2114.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
今日由經濟委員會召開如何藉由五人載具專法 |
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2114.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
2117.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
強化國防自主促進國防國際合作發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
2118.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
2122.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
本土產業的公聽會經濟部陳耀列席報告進行指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
2123.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
2127.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
近年在二屋中東等地的戰場實務經驗可見 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
2127.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
2131.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
低成本快速生產功能多元的五人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
2132.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
2135.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
可有效消耗敵軍兵力與裝備 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
2135.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
2140.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
同時大幅降低自身人員傷亡充分展現不對稱作戰優勢 |
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2140.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
2143.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
根據國防部公開資料指示 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
2143.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
2149.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
我國在四海島的地形浮原狹小眾生短潛 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
2150.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
2154.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
大規模五人載具的戰場應用結合地理優勢條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
2154.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
2158.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
與國軍現役各類型友人作戰系統相互協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
2158.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
2162.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
可提升防衛作戰各階段的作戰效能 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
2164.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
2166.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
從成的這個削弱戰果 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
2166.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
2169.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
因應中共軍事威脅持續的擴增 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
2169.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
2172.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
考量建軍需求急迫行政院擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
2172.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
2175.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
國防自主五人載具採購特別條例草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
2175.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
2182.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
規劃在115年到120年間編列新台幣2100億元 |
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2183.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
2186.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
快速籌措濱海針尖型文機 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
2186.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
2189.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
濱海攻擊型文機及小型自殺文艇 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
2189.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
2191.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
提升國軍不對稱作戰能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
2191.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
2193.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
考量國防自主五人載具的採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
2193.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
2197.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
需要因應國際情勢快速變化的特性 |
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2197.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
2201.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
所以該條例的草案是採用特別預算的方式來編列 |
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2203.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
2207.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
以規模穩定資源集中的特性來推動大量 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
2207.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
2210.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
長單疊帶更新的國防五人載具採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
2210.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
2214.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
確保國軍未來在戰場上隨時能夠保持後主根 |
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2214.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
2215.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
不對稱戰力 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
2215.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
2218.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
同時也建立穩定跟自主的五人載具產業鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
2218.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
2221.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
創造國防與民生的雙贏局面 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
2222.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
2226.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
那為了扶植國內的五人載具的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
2226.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
2230.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
行政院也在114年的10月30號核定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
2230.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
2234.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
五人載具產業發展統籌型計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
2234.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
2240.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
那在產業發展、國防自主、民主供應鏈的三大政策目標下 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
2240.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
2244.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
我們要建構我國完整五人載具的產業發展體系目標 |
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2244.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
2248.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
在119年希望年產值可以達到400億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
2248.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
2252.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
打造台灣成為五人機民主供應鏈的亞太中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
2253.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
2259.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
統籌型計畫已經整合了科技計畫、公共建設以及國發基金等資源 |
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2259.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
2264.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
規劃在114年到119年間投入大概442億元 |
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2264.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
2265.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
並且從市場 |
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2266.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
2267.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
2267.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
2268.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
2269.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
2273.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
還有法規四個面向來推動我國的五人載具產業發展 |
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2273.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
2275.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
其中在市場面的部分 |
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2275.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
2278.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
透過政府公務採購擴大內需 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
2278.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
2284.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
並以台灣卓越五人機海外商機聯盟帶動業者拓展歐美日海外市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
2284.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
2287.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
建立穩定且可預期的市場需求 |
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2287.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
2291.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
另外也運用各項投資專案配合民間出資 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
2291.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
2294.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
共同投資業者滿足業者的資金需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
2294.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
2295.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
在技術面的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
2296.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
2299.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
我們會投入開發非控系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
2299.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
2302.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
通訊模組、感測器等等的關鍵零組件 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
2302.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
2304.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
以及整機的自主研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
2305.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
2307.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
結合法人科專、業界科專等資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
2307.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
2309.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
來推動國際技術的交流 |
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2309.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
2311.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
還有供應鏈的鏈結 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
2311.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
2313.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
來強化非控供應鏈的自主能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
2314.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
2316.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
在環境面的部分我們會推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
2317.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
2323.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
創新研發、生產製造還有飛行測試的三大功能場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
2323.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
2326.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
來形成產業聚落、構築完整的生態性 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
2327.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
2329.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
在第四個面向法規面的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
2329.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
2332.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
我們因應無人載具應用情境廣泛 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
2332.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
2336.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
由交通部來修訂無人機水面及水下無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
2336.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
2339.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
特定測試水域的安全管理規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
2340.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
2344.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
保障無人載具運行安全與落實管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
2344.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
2348.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
經濟部則是針對兩公斤以下的無人機實施商品檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
2348.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
2350.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
持續完善檢測的能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
2350.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
2354.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
速發部協助完善資安規範及檢測制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
2354.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
2356.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
確保產品安全性 |
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2356.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
2359.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
工程會則是嚴定政府採購作業指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
2359.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
2361.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
落實無人機飛行供應鏈的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
2362.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
2367.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
除此之外,統籌型計劃也規範有追蹤管考、檢討經濟的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
2367.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
2370.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
由行政院來邀集各部會定期召開 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
2370.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
2373.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
無人載具產業發展及管理機器的專案會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
2373.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
2378.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
統籌協調及推動無人載具產業發展的各項工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
2379.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
2386.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
台灣具備半導體、資通訊、電子零組件、精密機械、傳統製造等等的優勢產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
2386.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
2390.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
經濟部會配合統籌型計劃的推動,持續整合國內產業能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
2391.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
2395.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
協助業者投入無人載具整機及關鍵模組開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
2395.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
2398.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
補足技術及供應鏈的缺口 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
2398.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
2401.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
提升國內產業承接國防需求的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
2401.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
2404.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
並建構自主安全且韌性的費用供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
2404.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
2408.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
另外也會結合產業創新條例、研發補助、投資抵減 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
2408.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
2411.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
國家發展基金等等既有的政策工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
2411.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
2417.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
來協助中小微及傳統製造業投入無人載具的關鍵技術及供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
2417.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
2419.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
促進產業升級轉型 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
2419.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
2421.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
兼顧國防自主與產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
2422.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
2426.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
有關其他平埔規劃相關的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
2426.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
2428.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
涉及到NCC的全責 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
2428.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
2431.42 |
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已經有現行的法規機制在依循辦理 |
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2431.42 |
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2435.42 |
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至於無人載具的測試驗證、場域規劃等四項 |
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2435.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
2437.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
也都納入了統籌型計劃推動 |
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2437.42 |
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2439.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
並由各主管機關依全責辦理中 |
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2440.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
2445.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
同時也透過行政院召開無人載具的管理機制專案會議進行跨部會的協調 |
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2445.71 |
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2448.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
持續盤點法規跟制度的需求 |
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2448.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
2451.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
滾動檢討與經濟相關配套措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
2451.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
2453.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
在兼顧公共安全及飛航秩序下 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
2453.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
2456.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
營造有力的無人載具產業發展環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
2456.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
2459.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
最後感謝各位委員、各位先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
2459.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
2463.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
對於國防自主與無人載具產業發展的關心與支持 |
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2463.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
2468.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
無人載具已經成為國家安全與產業發展的重要戰略產業 |
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2468.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
2471.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
透過行政院無人載具產業發展統籌型計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
2471.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
2474.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
整合市場技術、環境、法規等資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
2474.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
2477.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
再加上既有的相關法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
2477.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
2480.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
也已經建置了相關的獎勵跟管理制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
2480.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
2482.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
將進一步完善產業發展環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
2482.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
2485.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
扶植本土無人載具產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
2485.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
2488.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
並強化我國在民主供應鏈中的關鍵地位 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
2490.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
2496.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
但是因為因應國防自主無人載具採購及戰力建置的急迫需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
2496.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
2500.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
建請各位委員、各位先進支持我們行政院所提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
2500.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
2504.06 |
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國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
2504.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
2508.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
以特別預算的方式來集中支援加速推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
2508.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
2510.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
以兼顧國防戰力建置時效 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
2510.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
2513.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
以及國內無人載具產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
2513.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
2516.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
以上報告,敬請各位委員、各位先進、敬請指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
2516.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
2519.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
那祝各位身體健康,官事如意,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
2519.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
2521.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
好,謝謝經濟部代表報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
2521.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
2526.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
那接下來議會陸續邀請國防部、財政部、交通部及速發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
2526.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
2530.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
那由於兩部呢,國防跟財政兩部是次長來 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
2530.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
2533.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
所以時間五分鐘,必要時的延長三分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
2533.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
2536.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
以示我們的禮遇,那就請我們國防部的陳次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
2545.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
2550.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
主席、各位委員、各位先進、各位政大學者,大家早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
2550.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
2557.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
國防部,針對這一次的公聽會,我們的這個說明如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
2557.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
2558.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
第一個,近年 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
2559.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
2565.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
二戰爭還有中東等第多個戰場,他的實戰經驗都已經顯示 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
2565.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
2569.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
無人載具已經成為現代作戰的重要戰力 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
2569.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
2576.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
他具備低成本、高效益、可大量部署,以及快速補充這些特性 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
2576.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
2585.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
可有效執行勤堅增,目標獲得火力導引、精準打擊以及戰損評估,這些綜合的任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
2585.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
2590.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
消耗敵方高價值的兵力和裝備,降低我方人員的傷亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
2591.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
2594.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
充分展現不對稱作戰的一個優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
2595.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
2600.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
另外國防部,在去年我們提出了1.25兆的特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
2600.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
2604.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
包含了各式的無人機,還有反制的無人機系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
2604.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
2608.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
但是最終只有通過7800億對美的軍購 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
2609.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
2613.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
沒有辦法滿足國軍的一個迫切的作戰需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
2613.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
2614.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
所以為了確保 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
2614.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
2617.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
國家安全還有守護人民的福祉 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
2617.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
2620.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
這一直都是國防部的首要任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
2621.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
2627.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
我們在今年又提出了國防自主,無人載具採購的一個特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
2627.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
2629.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
這個就是要彌補 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
2629.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
2634.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
原來1.25兆遭刪除的暗項,所造成的一個戰力的缺口 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
2635.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
2643.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
而且裡面有關兵海艦針型無人機、兵海打擊、還有小型自殺無人艇 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
2643.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
2649.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
這三個裝備都是國防部借鑒惡物戰爭的一個實戰的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
2649.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
2655.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
而且長達兩年深入的一個研究,所確立最符合國軍作戰需求的一個裝備 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
2655.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
2660.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
期望委員還有社會各界都能夠支持,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
2668.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
2672.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
謝謝國防部的報告,接下來我們請財政部次長陳次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
2683.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
2689.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
主席、各位委員、與會的學者專家、各位女士先生,大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
2690.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
2698.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
貴文會舉辦了今天的一個強化國防的一個自主,促進國際合作發展本土產業的一個公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
2700.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
2709.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
促進無人載具供應鏈及相關製造業等轉型的一個升級,涉及到財政部的業務的部分,僅僅要說明如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
2709.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
2713.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
為了鼓勵企業轉型升級,以及提升產業的競爭力 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
2714.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
2722.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
產業促進升級條例,就資金面、人才面,以及技術面提供多項的功能別的租稅優惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
2723.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
2726.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
包含研究發展支出的一個抵減 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
2726.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
2727.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
智慧機械的 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
2728.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
2729.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
投資地檢,以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
2730.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
2737.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
通訊5G,資通安全,人工智慧與節能減碳等設備多項的投資地檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
2738.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
2741.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
實質投資列為未分配盈餘的一個簡項 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
2742.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
2744.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
員工獎酬股票 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
2744.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
2749.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
的一個部分可以選擇折低來課稅等多項的租稅優惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
2749.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
2755.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
另外,為了引進外國營利事業先進資生產技術或產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
2755.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
2758.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
以提升我國企業的競爭力 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
2758.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
2762.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
在所得稅法第四條第一項21款 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
2762.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
2768.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
也提供了營利事業支付外國營利事業權利金或技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
2769.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
2773.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
金服務報酬免納所得稅優惠規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
2773.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
2775.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
適度減輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
2775.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
2777.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
國內企業的製造成本負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
2779.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
2782.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
企業投資在無人載具的一個研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
2782.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
2786.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
這一個上面在人才培育跟設備的一個支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
2786.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
2787.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
符合規定者 |
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2788.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
2792.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
為使用國外營利事業授權關鍵技術等 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
2792.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
2797.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
符合規定者均可申請適用三開租稅優惠的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
2797.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
2802.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
有助於國內無人載具的一個產業來轉型升級 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
2802.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
2805.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
並促進國際的一個合作發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
2805.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
2807.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
以上說明盡情指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
2807.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
2808.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
2809.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
2812.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
謝謝陳東吳代表陳執行長的報告發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
2812.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
2814.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
接下來有請交通部代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
2815.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
2816.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
2818.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
2820.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
那麼做發布代表請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
2829.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
2832.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
主席各位委員各位女士先生大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
2832.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
2834.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
今天交通部應邀各位委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
2834.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
2838.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
針對無人載具的專法強化國防自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
2838.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
2842.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
來促進國際合作發展本土產業的公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
2842.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
2845.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
涉及交通部業務的部分說明如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
2845.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
2849.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
那近年因為全球無人載具技術的快速發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
2849.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
2853.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
那針對推動無人載具相關的法規政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
2853.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
2857.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
涉及到國防安全等等相關的多元面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
2857.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
2860.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
那麼針對目前為了要確保國家安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
2860.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
2864.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
跟我們的航行運作都能夠兼顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
2864.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
2868.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
然後也能夠協助提升我們無人機產品驗證的能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
2868.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
2871.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
那民航局和經濟部標準檢驗局 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
2871.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
2874.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
在113年12月1日起 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
2874.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
2878.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
分階段來推動無人機產品源頭的管理制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
2878.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
2880.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
那其中兩公斤以下市售無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
2880.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
2883.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
由標準檢驗局辦理商品的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
2883.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
2885.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
那兩公斤以上市售無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
2885.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
2888.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
那無人機則由民航局辦理形式的檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
2888.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
2892.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
那兩機關採取一致的安全規範及檢驗的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
2892.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
2896.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
那希望能夠降低業者重複檢驗的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
2896.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
2898.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
加速產品上市 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
2898.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
2901.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
來提升我們無人機產業的競爭力 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
2901.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
2903.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
那在無人機測試方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
2903.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
2907.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
民航局也已經建立了完整的一個是非的管理制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
2907.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
2909.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
那依照現行民用航空法 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
2909.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
2912.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
以及遙控無人機管理規則的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
2912.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
2915.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
業者可以在400公尺以下的綠區空域 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
2915.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
2917.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
遵守5要5不要的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
2917.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
2921.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
無需申請同意及進行飛行的測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
2921.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
2923.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
那如果在400尺以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
2923.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
2925.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
夜間或視距外的飛行 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
2925.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
2928.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
等等的特殊的測試需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
2928.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
2931.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
也可以向民航局提出申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
2931.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
2935.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
那民航局也會依照飛航安全和風險管理的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
2935.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
2936.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
來辦理審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
2936.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
2940.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
那麼來配合產業研發及驗證的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
2940.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
2947.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
此外呢民航局也盤點了全國有18處中小型無人機飛測場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
2947.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
2950.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
另外在嘉義的水上和屏東恆春 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
2950.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
2953.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
也有兩處大型的飛測場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
2953.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
2958.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
來提供產官學研各界辦理是非驗證及技術研發使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
2958.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
2962.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
那麼針對水面及水下的無人載具的測試場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
2962.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
2965.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
航港局也已經完成了盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
2965.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
2967.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
那目前包含有9處商港 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
2967.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
2969.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
5處的水庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
2969.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
2971.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
以及2處的專屬水域 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
2971.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
2976.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
那後續也會持續新增測試的水域來提供相關業者應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
2976.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
2981.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
那此外航港局也訂定了相關的強運活動的安全規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
2981.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
2982.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
2983.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
2986.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
水下無人載具的一般性的安全管理規範等 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
2986.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
2989.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
那未來也會研修傳播法 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
2989.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
2993.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
將我們的水面自主傳播以及水面無人載具納入管理規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
2993.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
2995.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
來提升操作使用的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
2995.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
3000.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
那針對未來整個無人載具產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
3000.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
3006.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
那交通部民航局以及航港局也會持續配合行政院的整體政策及各主管的分工 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
3006.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
3009.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
來適時檢討我們相關的安全管理制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
3009.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
3011.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
那以上交通部的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
3011.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
3013.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
那今天就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
3013.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
3014.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
3014.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
3015.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
3015.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
3016.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
3016.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
3017.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
3017.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
3018.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
3018.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
3019.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
3019.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
3020.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
3020.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
3021.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
3021.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
3022.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
3022.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
3023.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
3023.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
3024.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
3024.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
3025.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
3025.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
3026.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
3026.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
3027.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
3027.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
3028.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
3028.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
3029.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
3029.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
3030.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
3030.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
3031.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
3031.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
3032.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
3032.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
3033.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
3033.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
3034.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
3034.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
3035.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
3035.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
3036.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
3036.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
3037.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
3037.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
3038.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
3038.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
3039.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
3039.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
3040.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
我們就先到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
3014.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
3015.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
3015.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
3018.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
那麼接下來請速發部代表發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
3032.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
3035.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
主席 各位委員女士先生大家早 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
3035.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
3037.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
今天應邀列席 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
3037.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
3041.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
數位發展部針對如何藉由無人載具專訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
3041.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
3042.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
強化國防自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
3042.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
3046.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
促進國際合作發展本土產業公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
3046.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
3048.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
緊究本部的相關任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
3048.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
3050.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
向各位說明如下 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
3050.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
3053.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
無人載具科技的快速發展與戰場應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
3053.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
3056.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
已經徹底改變了現代的作戰形態 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
3056.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
3058.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
展現不對稱作戰的優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
3059.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
3061.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
為無人載具使用的非控 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
3062.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
3064.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
通訊導航等關鍵零組件 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
3064.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
3067.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
高度涉及國家安全還有資通安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
3069.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
3072.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
防範通訊及導航導控等議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
3072.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
3074.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
可能衍生了潛在資安風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
3074.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
3077.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
實為建構我國國防持續 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
3077.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
3080.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
平戰轉換防護韌性等 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
3080.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
3082.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
刻不容緩的戰略核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
3082.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
3084.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
有關無人機的資安檢測規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
3085.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
3087.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
數位發展部已經配合交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
3087.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
3089.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
遙控無人機管理規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
3090.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
3093.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
會賢交通部訂定了遙控無人機資安檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
3094.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
3096.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
3095.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
3098.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
完備國內資安檢測法制化的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
3098.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
3102.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
在115年4月30日也會賢了交通部修正前開的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
3103.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
3105.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
納入了美國的綠標 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
3105.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
3109.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
Green UAS還有我國的CNS 18031的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
3109.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
3112.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
增訂了產品的測試準則 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
3112.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
3115.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
減少無人機廠商送測的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
3115.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
3117.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
也提升了產品的國際競爭力 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
3117.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
3120.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
也促進國內無人機產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
3121.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
3126.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
另外數位部也配合了經濟部無人載具科技創新的實驗條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
3126.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
3134.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
在114年2月公告的修正可供創新實驗運用之無線電頻率與其地理範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
3134.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
3136.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
實驗期限還有其他相關條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
3137.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
3139.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
只要符合公告範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
3139.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
3144.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
就可以免去頻率和配等相關法制的限制還有行政程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
3145.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
3148.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
也促進了無人載具相關的產業創新研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
3150 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
3156 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
數位部這邊也會持續的聽取產業的意見滾動檢討修正該公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
3156.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
3160.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
數位部會全力配合行政院的整體國家安全的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
3161.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
3164.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
且本於全責發揮數位還有資安的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
3165.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
3169.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
全力來協同各主管機關共同的嚴格把關資通訊的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
3170.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
3175.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
那綜上所述數位部會持續配合行政院以及相關法制的進程 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
3175.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
3178.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
並尊重主管機關及大院的最後決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
3178.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
3179.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
3180.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
3182.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
好謝謝蘇發布代表的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
3182.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
3188.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
因為我們委員會在上午有收到後續三個部會單位的書面資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
3188.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
3192.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
分別是公共工程委員會NCC與中華電信 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
3192.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
3196.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
那請問在場如果要補充我們給三分鐘的時間補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
3196.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
3201.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
請問公共工程委員會的羅主任民宿要補充嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
3201.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
3202.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
3202.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
3207.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
好請教NCC的代表鄭捷能濟政要補充嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
3208 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
3209 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
3209 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
3212 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
那請問中華電信的處長有沒有補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
3212.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
3217.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
沒有好那以上有這些單位提供報告跟書面意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
3217.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
3222.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
那接下來我們就依序補充介紹剛剛到場的學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
3223.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
3228.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
曾聚威國政基金會的財政組召集人曾教授謝謝您 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
3228.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
3234.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
以及國立政治大學法律學院的陳柏良助理教授歡迎您 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
3235.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
3240.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
那因為剛剛我們對於學者專家發言時間已經說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
3240.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
3243.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
我們學者專家時間十分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
3243.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
3247.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
那原則上由學者專家先行一簽到順序發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
3247.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
3251.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
那本院委員如要發言請到主席台前來登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
3251.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
3257.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
那我們會讓兩位學者專家發言之後安排一位委員來發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
3257.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
3260.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
那麼發言台正前方的燈號是倒數計時 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
3260.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
3263.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
所以請各位學者專家注意發言結束時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
3264.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
3266.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
前一分鐘會暗鈴一聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
3267.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
3270.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
還有一分鐘時間到會暗鈴兩分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
3270.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
3272.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
那全部與會人員發言完畢後 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
3272.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
3275.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
我們會再請行政機關做整體回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
3275.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
3279.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
那因為今天我們尊重各位學者專家出席時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
3279.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
3285.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
有限之前在開始之前有來跟主席台這邊表示有時間的 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
3285.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
3288.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
我們會盡量的讓您提早發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
3288.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
3291.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
那也徵求各位先簽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
3292.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
3294.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
順序的委員的同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
3294.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
3295.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
那這當中呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
3295.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
3297.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
包括黃介正理事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
3297.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
3299.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
包括陳柏良助理教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
3299.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
3301.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
對不起是陳秉輝教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
3301.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
3304.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
因為他們有時間上的限制我會適當的調節 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
3304.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
3307.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
那就請我再調整發行順序 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
3307.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
3310.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
請學者專家們可以接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
3310.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
3312.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
那接下來我們首先第一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
3312.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
3316.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
是由登記第一位的田再邁中將發言請 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
3317.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
3318.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
時間十分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
3329.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
3331.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
今天來這邊參加這個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
3331.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
3333.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
各單位報的資料都非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
3333.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
3337.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
但根據我過去的一些在軍事上還有國防上的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
3337.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
3341.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
我提供七點供大家參考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
3341.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
3344.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
第一個就講叫這個Airspace coordination |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
3344.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
3348.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
所以在這個測試場裡面所有單位你必須要協調機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
3348.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
3352.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
那平常如果練得好的話你在作戰的時候更沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
3352.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
3355.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
但是平常如果練不好作戰情況更複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
3355.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
3357.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
那包括現在空域裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
3357.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
3360.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
就是如果協調的話你所有參與的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
3360.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
3364.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
必須要有下面幾點要稍微注意到一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
3364.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
3366.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
就是說預防有軍的誤擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
3366.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
3369.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
第二個是動態的空地整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
3369.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
3373.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
然後還有這個電池頻譜的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
3374.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
3376.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
以及這個效益倍增 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
3376.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
3380.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
還有友人和無人的這個系統作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
3380.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
3384.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
以及這個民事和公共安全的這個同步化 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
3384.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
3389.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
那第二點就是談到這個Frequency allocation |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
3389.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
3391.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
就是這個頻率的分配 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
3391.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
3394.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
分配裡面包含在實戰和演訓 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
3394.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
3398.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
那個電池頻譜和這個空域水域等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
3398.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
3402.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
你都是很容易會有陰塞的這個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
3402.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
3404.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
所以說在我們這個無人系統裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
3404.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
3407.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
包含在路面還有海上等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
3409.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
3411.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
無人系統的控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
3411.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
3413.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
圖傳數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
3414.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
3416.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
還有定位等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
3416.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
3418.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
要根據這個電波來 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
3418.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
3420.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
無線電波來做這些處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
3420.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
3422.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
所以說在 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
3422.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
3424.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
3424.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
3426.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
所以大家要注意到這個避免 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
3426.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
3428.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
第一個是自家干擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
3428.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
3432.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
第二個是避免跟友軍的電戰自相殘殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
3432.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
3436.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
第三個是包含跨軍種或跨領域的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
3436.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
3441.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
第四個是提升反電池偵測和反干擾能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
3441.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
3446.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
第五點是確保失控之後保護以及反制的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
3446.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
3450.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
第三個大家都有提到這個Test range測試場 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
3450.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
3454.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
那測試場因為是要有屬於這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
3454.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
3457.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
不管是空的或地的或路的 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
3457.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
3460.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
你當然有專業的測試場 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
3460.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
3462.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
因為這是國家的戰略級的基礎設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
3462.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
3466.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
那這個基礎設施裡面包含所有的軟硬體 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
3466.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
3469.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
還有相關的移電等等的配套措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
3469.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
3473.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
那有幾個關鍵的維度就包含到感測器的校準 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
3473.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
3476.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
和多元資料的融合驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
3476.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
3481.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
第二個就是極限環境和載具的物理性能的驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
3481.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
3485.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
第三個是電池和電訊環境的測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
3485.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
3492.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
以及數位累積和數位分身建構的相關的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
3494.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
3497.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
第五個就是有關跨域和多人機的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
3497.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
3501.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
或多人船的這個協調的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
3501.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
3503.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
第四點是也非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
3503.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
3506.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
就是我們講的這個Company的DD |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
3506.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
3507.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
Due Deligion |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
3507.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
3509.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
因為在你在採購這些系統的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
3509.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
3511.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
你不管是任何單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
3511.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
3513.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
在這個招標的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
3513.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
3517.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
一定要把這個DD列入這個審查的這個資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
3517.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
3519.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
如果不符合這個資格的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
3519.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
3521.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
後面可以減少很多的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
3521.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
3525.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
那主要的原因是包含有下面幾點就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
3525.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
3527.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
供應鏈的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
3527.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
3530.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
還有要去掉這個紅色的供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
3530.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
3532.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
就是老公那邊做的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
3532.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
3534.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
那第二個是資訊和安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
3534.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
3536.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
還有這個防後門的機制 |
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3536.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
3540.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
第三個就是全生命週期後勤和營運的這個持續性 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
3540.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
3542.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
那第四個當然是扯到自衛財產權 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
3542.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
3544.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
還有法律的這個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
3544.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
3548.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
第五個當然是實際的驗證和團隊的相關作業情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
3548.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
3551.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
那第五點就是一定要 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
3551.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
3553.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
如果跟國外廠商合作的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
3553.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
3556.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
你必須要有這個Export License |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
3556.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
3559.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
那你要取得這個Export License以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
3559.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
3562.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
那對後面的作業比較容易進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
3562.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
3565.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
當然大家也知道你要取得這個Export License |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
3567.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
3569.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
那即便跟外國公司合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
3569.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
3572.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
外國公司也會到我們國內來做相關的這個驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
3572.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
3574.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
看你夠不夠資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
3574.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
3576.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
雖然是很嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
3576.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
3578.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
但是最起碼你過關以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
3578.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
3580.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
你後面可以敞開來做相關的這個作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
3580.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
3583.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
那主要的核心原因就是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
3583.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
3585.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
要確保合約的這個可履行性 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
3585.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
3588.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
而且防止這個專案的斷頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
3588.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
3590.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
那第二個就是保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
3590.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
3595.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
這個全壽命週期的這個後勤和零付錢的供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
3595.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
3600.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
第三個是避免採購單位遭到國際制裁或二次的制裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
3600.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
3603.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
第四個是明確的要有最終使用者承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
3603.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
3608.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
以及再出口限制的相關的這個規範與條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
3608.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
3611.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
第五個就是界別廠商真正的這個能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
3611.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
3613.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
國際的這個效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
3614.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
3617.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
第六點是也是很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
3617.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
3619.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
雖然說是講這個POC |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
3619.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
3620.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
Proof of Concept |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
3620.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
3623.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
但實際上就是講測試與評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
3623.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
3629.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
因為你這個POC是扮演一個從規格走向真實占利的一個核心關卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
3629.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
3632.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
所以你必須要有這個公司的DD以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
3632.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
3634.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
然後做相關的這個作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
3634.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
3637.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
但是在我們測試武器系統裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
3637.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
3641.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
包含當年包括IDF的相關的測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
3641.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
3643.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
F16的雖然說是美國製的 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
3643.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
3645.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
但我們國家的作戰環境不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
3645.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
3646.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
系統不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
3646.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
3649.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
所以說我們也做相關的測試做修改 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
3649.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
3651.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
這裡面有幾個重要的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
3651.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
3654.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
作戰的研發的測試是廠家 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
3654.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
3656.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
他要符合規範就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
3656.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
3659.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
軍方的話或N-User的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
3659.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
3661.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
你要做這個作戰測試評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
3661.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
3663.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
就是我們常講的這個OT演繹 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
3663.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
3666.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
當然裡面包含著作戰效益的發揮 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
3667.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
3669.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
而且了解它的存活度 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
3669.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
3672.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
後勤的部分你包含著這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
3672.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
3673.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
作戰適應性 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
3673.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
3676.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
那裡面又包含了這個後勤的可靠度 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
3676.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
3677.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
RELIABILITY |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
3677.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
3679.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
還有它的維護度 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
3679.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
3680.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
Maintainability |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
3680.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
3682.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
還有這個後勤支援度 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
3682.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
3683.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
Supportability |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
3683.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
3685.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
你可以負擔的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
3685.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
3686.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
就是這個Affordability |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
3686.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
3689.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
最後一點我要強調的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
3689.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
3692.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
今天在各單位報告裡面沒有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
3692.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
3693.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
3693.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
3695.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
在採購這些武器系統裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
3695.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
3698.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
應該將產學合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
3698.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
3700.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
納入這個採購的合約 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
3700.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
3701.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
抵換專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
3701.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
3704.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
然後在國家整個整體推動中的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
3704.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
3705.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
會有很高的戰略價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
3705.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
3709.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
因為這個是不單是帶動國際的國防企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
3709.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
3712.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
一起跟所有大學博士生研究生 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
3712.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
3713.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
一個教授代理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
3713.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
3714.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
在 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
3715.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
3718.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
路面的海面的還有空中的這些系統裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
3718.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
3720.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
你全部所有人都投入的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
3720.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
3724.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
對國家的整個整體運作效益發揮 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
3724.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
3729.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
還有這個預算的節省都很有很好的這個作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
3729.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
3732.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
就我所知現在已經有很多單位相互的 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
3732.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
3734.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
政府單位跟學校合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
3734.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
3736.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
或者企業單位跟學校合作等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
3736.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
3737.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
那這個是很重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
3737.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
3739.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
那在這裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
3739.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
3741.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
最主要是分五大面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
3741.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
3744.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
就是建立的這個技術自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
3744.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
3747.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
第二個是解決產業的人才荒 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
3747.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
3749.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
可以建構高階研發人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
3749.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
3752.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
再來就是推動次世代的技術突破 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
3752.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
3755.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
還有建立在地面化的這個測試和驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
3755.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
3759.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
然後擴大這個經濟效益和在地產業基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
3759.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
3761.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
那最後我補充一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
3761.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
3763.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
有關測試廠的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
3763.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
3764.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
大家都做得很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
3764.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
3767.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
但是希望是說能夠做個專一的比較大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
3767.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
3769.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
因為這裡面整個測試廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
3769.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
3771.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
比如說海軍的 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
3771.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
3773.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
海軍的要發到某個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
3773.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
3775.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
某個港口 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
3774.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
3776.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
怎麼樣所有的設施移電 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
3776.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
3777.93 |
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你都在那邊一起做 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
3777.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
3779.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
會節省國家很多的空域 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
3779.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
3781.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
那譬如說當年我在美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
3781.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
3782.93 |
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是為了受訓的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
3782.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
3784.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
美國空軍的這個測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
3784.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
3785.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
就放到愛德華空軍基地 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
3785.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
3787.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
所以所有飛機 |
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3787.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
3788.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
美國這麼大 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
3788.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
3789.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
它通通新的飛機 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
3789.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
3791.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
或者老的要做新武器裝備 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
3791.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
3793.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
換裝或怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
3793.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
3795.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
通通放到愛德華去測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
3795.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
3797.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
所以那時候我在那邊受訓的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
3797.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
3798.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
可以看到 |
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3798.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
3800.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
它從地面上到太空整個空城 |
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3800.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
3803.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
一萬尺兩萬尺三萬尺四萬尺 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
3803.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
3805.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
各型武器都在那邊測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
3805.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
3807.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
可以第一個好掌控 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
3807.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
3810.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
對民航局對港空局來講好管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
3810.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
3812.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
第二個你空域在管制下的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
3812.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
3813.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
對不對很有效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
3813.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
3815.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
安全上可以不要顧慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
3815.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
3816.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
不能說不要顧慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
3816.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
3818.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
顧慮上比較周圍一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
3818.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
3820.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
第三個是所有移電放在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
3820.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
3821.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
所以所有相關的測試的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
3821.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
3823.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
它能夠抓到很多的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
3823.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
3825.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
重要的參數 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
3825.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
3827.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
對整個來說是很好的幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
3827.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
3828.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
以上是我的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
3828.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
3829.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
3831.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
3833.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
好謝謝首先發言的第一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
3833.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
3835.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
我們田將軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
3835.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
3837.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
第二位我們有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
3837.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
3839.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
夏光誠夏將軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
3840.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
3842.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
夏光亞夏將軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
3842.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
3844.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
然後因為剛剛我們列席的機關代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
3844.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
3846.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
有台船公司的董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
3846.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
3848.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
那我們在夏將軍之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
3848.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
3851.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
我們給予台船的口頭說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
3851.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
3852.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
時間五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
3852.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
3854.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
現在請我們夏將軍時間十分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
3855.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
3856.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
3857.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
3859.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
這個委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
3859.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
3861.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
各位學的先進還有各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
3862.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
3864.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
政府機關的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
3864.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
3865.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
今天我們針對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
3865.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
3867.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
如何藉由無人機專法來強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
3867.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
3869.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
國防自主促進國際合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
3870.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
3873.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
發展本土產業這個題目來做公聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
3873.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
3875.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
當然無人機是現在大家非常關切的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
3875.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
3877.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
也是涉及到國防自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
3877.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
3879.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
還有我們國防的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
3879.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
3880.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
這個很重要的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
3880.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
3882.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
大家都非常關切的 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
3882.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
3884.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
當然這個我今天提出幾點這個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
3884.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
3887.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
那就因為本人在海軍那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
3888.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
3890.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
在還沒退伍之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
3890.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
3892.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
曾經就在計劃處工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
3892.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
3896.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
負責艦案海軍的艦案造艦等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
3896.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
3900.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
所以這個針對整個國軍艦案的一個流程的關切 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
3900.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
3902.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
還有我這個一些想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
3902.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
3904.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
來提供一些意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
3903.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
3905.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
3905.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3907.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
因為我知道那個顧部長曾經強調一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
3907.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3909.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
他強調無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
3909.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3911.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
不可能單靠一個數量 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3911.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3913.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
就能夠支撐整體防衛作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3913.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3915.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
我相信國防部同仁一定非常認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3915.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3919.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
因為國防部我們現在的這個國防戰略 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3919.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3921.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
跟軍事戰略構想 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3921.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3923.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
我們就看114年的國防報告書裡面所訂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
3923.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3925.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
防衛固守跟重程嚇阻 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3925.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3927.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
這是戰略指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
3927.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3929.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
那在軍事戰略要發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3929.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3931.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
多餘巨子跟任性防衛的作戰構想 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3931.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3933.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
但我們看台灣地狹人仇 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3933.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3935.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
我們都會拿二烏戰爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3935.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3937.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
跟美伊戰爭戰場來做比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3937.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3939.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
但二烏戰場 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3939.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3941.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
烏克蘭的戰場戰地 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3941.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3943.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
它的土地面積是我們台灣的17倍大 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
3943.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3945.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
伊朗更大 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3945.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3947.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
伊朗是45倍大 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3947.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
3949.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
他們在這麼大的廣袤的土地上 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
3949.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
3951.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
實施無人機攻擊的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
3951.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
3953.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
他們有相對的這個攻擊的優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
3953.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
3955.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
但在台灣地狹人仇 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
3955.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
3957.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
如果我們現在按照所構想裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
3957.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
3959.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
希望在對西岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
3959.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
3961.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
如果我們的威脅地域發動 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
3961.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
3963.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
發動航渡 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
3963.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
3965.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
甚至對我們實施兩棲登陸作戰的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
3965.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
3967.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
但這個先決的前提一定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
3971.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
3973.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
一定是要發動大量的 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
3973.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
3975.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
要獲得絕對的制空跟制海權 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
3975.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
3977.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
也就是在這個狀況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
3977.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
3979.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
我們幾乎很多的重要節點 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
3979.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
3981.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
重要武器裝備可能都受到損傷 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
3981.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
3983.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
那相對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
3984.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
3986.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
我們的西岸來講一定會 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
3986.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
3988.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
如果要以密集的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
3988.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
3990.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
還有結合我們相對的反艦武器 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
3990.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
3992.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
來做實施攻擊的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
3992.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
3994.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
大量的武器會集結在西部海域這個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
3994.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
3996.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
大量的這個頻率 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
3996.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
3998.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
也會塞爆整個的這個空域 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
3998.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
4000.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
這些對我們來講都不見得是 |
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4000.34 |
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4002.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
很有利的 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
4002.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
4004.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
所以在軍戰內發展多於巨子跟韌性防衛的構想的時候 |
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4004.34 |
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4006.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
我們也需要考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
4006.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
4008.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
這個我們台灣的土地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
4008.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
4010.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
一個現實的一個狀況 |
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4010.34 |
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4012.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
那現在我們針對大量的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
4012.34 |
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4014.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
我們現在的採購我們現在考量是 |
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4014.34 |
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4016.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
應該不是要不要買的問題 |
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4016.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
4018.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
而是怎麼買的這個狀況 |
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4018.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
4020.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
這個買了之後 |
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4020.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
4022.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
我們台灣要怎麼去 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
4022.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
4024.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
發展它 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
4024.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
4026.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
那之後呢不是只買一次買斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
4026.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
4028.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
一次買斷就現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
4028.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
4030.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
購想21萬架還有1300架的無人艇 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
4030.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
4032.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
這樣買斷之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
4032.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
4034.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
那無論這些產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
4034.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
4036.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
他們如何來支撐這個後續的維保 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
4036.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
4038.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
後續的零附件 |
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4038.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
4040.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
這個東西都是我們要絕對要考量的 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
4040.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
4042.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
所以在採購上我們也應該考量的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
4042.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
4044.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
一個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
4044.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
4046.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
不但要充實國防還要 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
4046.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
4048.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
提振產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
4048.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
4050.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
那第二點 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
4049.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
4051.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
那我們之所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
4051.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
4053.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
政府有提出所謂的緊急的 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
4053.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
4055.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
這個特別預算的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
4055.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
4057.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
用特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
4057.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
4059.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
用特別預算來編列特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
4059.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
4061.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
條例那也是因為依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
4061.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
4063.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
預算法看預算法第 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
4063.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
4065.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
83條第一款這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
4065.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
4067.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
報告裡面的各單位都有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
4067.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
4069.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
這是涉及到國防緊急設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
4069.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
4071.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
或有戰爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
4071.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
4073.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
狀況下編列特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
4073.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
4075.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
但是現在我們來看這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
4075.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
4077.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
編列特別好列的特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
4077.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
4079.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
的來源也是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
4079.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
4081.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
我們有分別分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
4081.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
4083.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
稅劑的稅餘款 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
4083.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
4085.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
還有我們的取債 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
4085.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
4087.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
也就是未來的年輕人要背很多錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
4087.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
4089.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
要背很多錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
4089.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
4091.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
因為這個債不可能一下子消失掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
4091.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
4093.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
你取債的東西不是在分類預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
4093.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
4095.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
就可以消耗完的 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
4094.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
4096.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
再來一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
4096.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
4098.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
之所以要 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
4097.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
4099.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
認為是要急迫採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
4100.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
4102.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
急迫採購這個急迫性 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
4102.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
4104.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
我覺得是可以大家可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
4104.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
4106.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
仔細來去考量的 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
4106.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
4108.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
我們現在把國外的戰力 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
4108.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
4110.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
還有兩岸的這個我們的威脅 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
4110.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
4112.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
員的這個不對稱的這些狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
4112.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
4114.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
來比擬 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
4114.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
4116.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
4116.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
4118.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
當然我們一直強調不對稱作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
4118.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
4120.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
是沒錯不對稱我們跟對岸跟我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
4120.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
4122.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
威脅員來講比對的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
4122.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
4124.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
絕對是不對稱人口不對稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
4124.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
4126.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
武器裝備不對稱經濟規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
4126.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
4128.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
也不對稱各種的不對稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
4128.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
4130.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
在作戰下來講其實是大對 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
4130.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
4132.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
我們不能講小啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
4132.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
4134.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
這個對抗來講是絕對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
4134.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
4136.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
這個絕對的不對稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
4136.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
4138.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
所以那是不是真的這麼急迫要用 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
4138.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
4140.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
採購的方式一次把它買斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
4140.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
4142.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
這些東西來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
4142.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
4144.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
那我們最近發生的各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
4144.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
4146.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
新聞也都看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
4146.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
4148.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
這些急切採購的狀況下我們也最近有 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
4148.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
4150.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
三起的這個重大的採購案 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
4150 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
4152 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
不能夠順利的完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
4152 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
4154 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
交貨同時因為沒有辦法獲得 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
4154 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
4156 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
輸出採購一個RDS彈藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
4156 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
4158 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
一個105榴彈炮 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
4158 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
4160 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
這樣的東西沒有辦法獲得輸出許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
4160 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
4162 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
沒辦法獲得輸出許可也甚至要 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
4162 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
4164 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
解約重購可能要解約 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
4164 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
4166 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
重購那解約重購的過程當然我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
4166 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
4168 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
也希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
4167.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
4169.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
未來在解約重購的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
4169.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
4171.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
這個合約絕對不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
4171.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
4173.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
降規 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
4172.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
4174.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
一定要維持到這個高標 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
4174.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
4176.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
又經過兩年多的時間三年時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
4176.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
4178.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
這規格應該還要再做 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
4178.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
4180.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
甚至要提升不能夠因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].start |
4180.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
4182.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
降規來讓這個東西採購可以通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
4182.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
4184.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
來符合這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
4184.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
4186.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
那這些這個另外一個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
4186.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
4188.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
就是那個無人機反制 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
4188.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
4190.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
無人機反制無人機其實這個系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
4190.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
4192.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
還在研發中對我們來講也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
4192.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
4194.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
spiral development |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
4194.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
4196.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
還在不斷的螺旋是發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
4196.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
4198.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
這個發展來講現在國內的產能 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
4198.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
4200.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
是不是能穩定的產出 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
4200.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
4202.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
這都是我們要極竊的非常去 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
4202.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
4204.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
要深刻的去了解的 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
4204.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
4206.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
所以在這個採購來講都是我們要 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
4206.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
4208.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
要非常認真的去面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
4208.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
4210.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
第三點 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
4210.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
4212.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
那剛剛前面強調了這個採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
4212.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
4214.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
是不是急迫性那依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
4214.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
4216.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
政府採購法第104條 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
4216.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
4218.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
剛剛的公共工程委員會裡面也有 |
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4218.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
4220.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
提到了第104條的這個採購法 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
4220.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
4222.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
這個軍事機關採購 |
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4222.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
4224.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
是有可以急迫性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
4224.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
4226.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
採購不受限於軍事採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
4226.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
4228.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
不限於採購政府採購法 |
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4228.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
4230.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
在這個裡面有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
4230.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
4232.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
第104條第一點就強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
4232.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
4234.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
國家面臨了戰爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
4234.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
4236.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
或者是戰備動員或者發生戰爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
4236.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
4238.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
第二點是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
4238.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
4240.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
學校緊急或者是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
4240.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
4242.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
有危及重大戰備任務的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
4242.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
4244.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
可以不適用第26條 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
4244.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
4246.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
第28條以及第36條 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
4246.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
4248.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
各位2628都屬於採購法 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
4248.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
4250.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
採購裡面的預算的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
4250.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
4252.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
這個東西還有預算期限的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
4252.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
4254.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
但是第36條 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
4254.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
4256.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
這個104條裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
4256.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
4258.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
這個採購法裡面第36條 |
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4258.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
4260.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
其實也明定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
4261.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
4263.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
明定了投標廠商資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
4263.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
4265.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
各位可以去翻條法條就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
4265.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
4267.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
明定投資廠商的資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
4267.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
4269.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
還有巨額的採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
4269.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
4271.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
需具備經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
4271.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
4273.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
時機還有人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
4273.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
4275.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
財力設備這些規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
4275.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
4277.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
都有特別資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
4277.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
4279.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
可由主管機關訂制 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
4279.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
4281.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
也就是說前面發生的這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
4281.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
4283.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
不是說不應該讓這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
4283.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
4285.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
不具這些資格的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
4285.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
4287.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
就能夠獲得這樣採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
4287.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
4289.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
只因為他說他拿到什麼可以證明 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
4289.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
4291.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
才保證可以拿到輸出許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].start |
4291.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
4293.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
但事實上結果可能都不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
4293.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
4295.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
這個主管機關就應該要嚴格的訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].start |
4295.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
4297.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
這規格都是可以訂定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
4297.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].end |
4299.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
不是說任由廠商投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
4299.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
4301.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
如果你去推掉他 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
4301.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
4303.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
就因為認為說你不合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].start |
4303.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
4305.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
我們要站在為國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
4305.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
4307.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
有國防建制 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
4307.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
4309.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
有力的採購作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
4309.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
4311.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
來做這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
4311.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
4313.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
那在第4點 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
4313.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
4315.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
國軍的建軍其實非常嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].start |
4315.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
4317.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
國軍的建案也非常嚴謹 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].start |
4317.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
4319.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
有相對的建案規劃、模式模擬、兵力整建 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].start |
4319.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
4321.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
還有作戰需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
4321.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
4323.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
還有特別是系統分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
4323.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
4325.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
就要把廠商這些資格都完成分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
4325.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
4327.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
最後做成工作計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].start |
4327.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
4329.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
來完成整個建案 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].start |
4329.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
4331.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
那當獲得預算後提出這個建案 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
4331.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
4333.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
獲付預算後才開始進行採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
4333.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
4335.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
進行採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
4335.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
4337.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
那獲得裝備當然會形成戰力 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
4337.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
4339.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
這就是不要因為這個期限 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
4339.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
4341.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
沒有獲得 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
4341.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
4343.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
我們也約重構 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
4343.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
4345.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
但是造成的是我們戰力的損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
4345.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
4347.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
第5點我要提到就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
4348.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
4350.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
當然現在採購裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
4350.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
4352.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
行政院的版本裡面提到三項採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
4352.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
4354.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
濱海、徵收型、無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
4354.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
4356.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
還有供給型、還有小型自殺艇 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
4356.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
4358.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
那這些採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
4358.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
4360.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
提的都是我們現在國防局應該都很需要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
4360.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
4362.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
但是根據我們現在的題目裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
4362.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
4364.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
強調要提振國內產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
4364.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
4366.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
但這個裡面條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
4366.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
4368.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
並沒有很明確的提出條例產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
4369.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
4371.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
我們要另外強調就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
4371.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
4373.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
這些裝備 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
4373.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
4375.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
21萬架無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
4375.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
4377.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
跟1300艘艇回來以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
4377.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
4379.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
第一個庫除的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
4380.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
4382.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
庫除的問題各位知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
4382.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
4384.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
我們國軍其實以人來比 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
4384.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
4386.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
我們現在編制21萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
4386.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
4388.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
21萬架好像算起來一人就要1架 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
4388.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
4390.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
但這問題庫除要放在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
4390.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
4392.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
庫除環控都是很重要的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
4392.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
4394.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
就跟你買電腦回家以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
4394.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
4396.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
你如果買電腦回家擺在家裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
4396.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
4398.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
擺半年不用它 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
4398.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
4400.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
以台灣的潮濕情氣候來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
4400.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
4402.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
對裝備會受損 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
4402.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
4404.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
裝備很容易受損 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
4404.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
4406.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
也就是買回來以後你沒有暫時的耗損 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
4406.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
4408.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
沒有立體的戰耗對裝備來講都不是一個很有利的 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
4408.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
4410.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
最後一個就是針對國防部對於戰備急需 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
4410.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
4412.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
真的急需作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
4412.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
4414.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
急迫性都可以調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
4414.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
4416.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
採購順序都可以立即的 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
4416.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
4418.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
提出這樣的採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
4418.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
4420.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
所以這個來講我們就講這急迫性 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
4420.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
4422.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
是不是真的有這麼急迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
4422.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
4424.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
所以現在國民黨版 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
4424.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
4426.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
4426.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
4428.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
用常規預算來編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
4428.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
4430.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
分聯分批採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
4430.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
4432.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
實際的依照需求提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
4432.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
4434.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
這個採購計劃來編列採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
4434.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
4436.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
同時可以提振我們的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
4436.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
4438.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
持續的研發確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
4438.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
4440.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
他有這個產製的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
4440.36 |
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我們來提供採購可以買到我們真正國防部 |
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4442.36 |
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4444.36 |
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需要的武器裝備 |
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4444.36 |
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4446.36 |
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同時長期的運作長期的獲得 |
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4446.36 |
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4448.36 |
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尤其是還有後勤維保的問題 |
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4448.36 |
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4450.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
不然的話將來買到就斷層 |
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4450.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
4452.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
一年兩年三年四年五年後 |
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4452.36 |
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4454.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
裝備 |
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4453.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
4455.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
掛在餐就壞掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
4455.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
4457.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
真的要作戰用才用不到 |
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4457.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
4459.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
這是我以上的報告謝謝 |
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4461.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
4463.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
好謝謝我們夏光亞夏將軍的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
4463.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
4465.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
那我們現在就依剛剛的宣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
4465.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
4467.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
由台船的董事長 |
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4467.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
4469.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
來進行列席機關代表的說明 |
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4469.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
4471.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
時間五分鐘 |
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4474.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
4476.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
主席各位委員 |
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4476.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
4478.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
各位先進大家好 |
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4478.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
4480.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
在這邊代表台船發表一點意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
4480.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
4482.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
以本公司立場我們當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
4482.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
4484.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
支持正面目前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
4484.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
4486.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
版本因為現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
4486.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
4488.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
無人載具的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
4488.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
4490.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
如同我們在二戰爭看到的樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
4490.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
4492.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
他是正在快速發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
4492.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
4494.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
的階段所以從 |
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4494.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
4496.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
使用端實際經驗裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
4496.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
4498.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
能夠獲得這個將來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
4498.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
4500.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
怎麼改進的這個做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
4500.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
4502.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
是一個快速迭代的時代 |
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4502.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
4504.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
因此必須要盡快能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
4504.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
4506.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
實際投入不管是軍用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
4506.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
4508.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
的或者是救災救難用等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
4508.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
4510.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
這些各種用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
4510.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
4512.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
得到經驗以後來讓廠商能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
4512.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
4514.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
快速的發展 |
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4514.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
4516.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
因為這樣的緣故我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
4516.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
4518.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
認同剛剛前面幾位先進跟將軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
4518.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
4520.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
的說法在我國戰略指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
4520.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
4522.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
之下必須要做到重生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
4522.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
4524.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
和煮跟多餘聚集所以雖然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
4524.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
4526.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
目前正面版的這三種 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
4526.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
4528.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
無人載具包括兩型船 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
4528.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
4530.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
兩型飛機跟一型船 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
4530.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
4532.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
雖然可能是最迫切的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
4532.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
4534.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
但是將來應該完整建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
4534.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
4536.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
空中水面水下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
4536.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
4538.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
甚至岸基跟陸地上面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
4538.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
4540.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
無人載具航程方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
4540.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
4542.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
也應該包括遠中近不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
4542.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
4544.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
大小的功能上就像我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
4544.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
4546.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
剛剛講應該也涵蓋不同種類 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
4546.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
4548.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
所以這個實際 |
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4548.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
4550.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
需求跟迫切性我想使用單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
4550.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
4552.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
會非常清楚應該讓他們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
4552.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
4554.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
採購的時程種類和數量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
4554.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
4556.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
上面能夠有彈性來調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
4556.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
4558.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
所以在這邊建議能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
4558.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
4560.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
稍微擴大這個範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
4560.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
4562.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
但是實際上的編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
4562.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
4564.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
尊重需求單位的預算編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
4565.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
4567.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
第二個我們覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
4567.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
4569.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
要連結傳統產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
4569.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
4571.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
跟我們先進的這些半導體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
4571.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
4573.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
跟IC產業的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
4573.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
4575.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
傳統上面飛機製造廠跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
4575.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
4577.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
造船廠是最適合做為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
4577.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
4579.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
產業結合平台的因為本來我們就在做這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
4579.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
4581.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
產業結合的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
4581.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
4583.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
4583.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
4585.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
跟系統整合的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
4585.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
4587.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
所以我們可以擴大這個範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
4587.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
4589.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
包括說傳統的機械 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
4589.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
4591.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
跟電機的中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
4591.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
4593.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
還有一些新創的微型企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
4593.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
4595.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
以及這個半導體IC產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
4595.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
4597.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
乃至於自動軟體產業這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
4597.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
4599.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
能夠這樣子進行下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
4600.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
4602.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
第三在這個法規方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
4602.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
4604.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
我們希望說能夠各 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
4604.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
4606.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
部會跟大院能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
4606.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
4608.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
快速的提供這個法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
4608.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
4610.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
4610.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
4612.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
目前已經通過的法規像剛剛交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
4612.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
4614.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
4614.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
4616.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
所 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
4616.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
4618.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
還有相關部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
4618.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
4620.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
所報告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
4620.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
4622.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
其實還有些不足的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
4622.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
4624.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
譬如說在這個目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
4624.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
4626.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
水面水下無人載具的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
4626.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
4628.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
特定測試水域安全管理規範裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
4628.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
4630.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
可能不包括軍事研發使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
4630.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
4632.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
然後提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
4632.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
4634.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
使用的場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
4634.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
4636.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
可能比較局限一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
4636.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
4638.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
那在深度跟廣度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
4638.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
4640.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
上面可能不夠特別是現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
4640.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
4642.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
如果要含群控功能的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
4642.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
4644.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
所需要的那個空域 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
4644.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
4646.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
或水域的面積會比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
4646.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
4648.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
如果要做水下載具的測試的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
4648.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
4650.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
深度也需要足夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
4650.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
4652.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
4652.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
4654.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
除了這種封閉水域 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
4654.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
4656.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
內陸或者是這個港灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
4656.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
4658.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
封閉水域之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
4658.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
4660.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
如果我們要帶出港 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
4660.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
4662.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
出去航行測試的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
4662.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
4664.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
目前港務局的法規可能沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
4664.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
4666.05 |
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辦法讓我們無人載具用遙控的方式 |
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帶出去所以必須要 |
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用拖帶或旁隙的方式才能夠帶出去 |
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那這個才會是 |
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像我們上之前本公司 |
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那個分界摩尾漁號在 |
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出海的時候會被大家看到說裡面 |
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有人那是因為必須要符合 |
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我們法規的關係 |
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另外就是說 |
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除了這個 |
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封閉水域之外我們也需要近岸的海域的測試 |
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跟更大的實際海域的測試 |
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所以這個相關的 |
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法規跟預定的 |
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場域可能也是 |
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或是需要大家一起來 |
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規劃建置的 |
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最後呢 |
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4701.41 |
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文載具的目前最重要的核心能力 |
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4703.41 |
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應該是在 |
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4707.41 |
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遙導控、自主航行、AI自動辨識 |
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4709.41 |
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然後抗干擾跟任務管理 |
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系統等等這些方面 |
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那其實這方面不太容易計價 |
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因為它的發展跟它的 |
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性能功能的 |
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4719.41 |
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好壞差非常的多 |
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4721.41 |
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但是這是非常重要的核心能力 |
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4721.41 |
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4723.41 |
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也是將來升級的發展方向 |
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4723.41 |
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4725.41 |
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我們希望能夠採用開放或半開放式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
4725.41 |
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4727.41 |
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架構 |
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4727.41 |
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4729.41 |
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促進剛剛前面先進談到的產學的合作 |
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4729.41 |
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4731.41 |
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以及我們本土廠商 |
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4733.41 |
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跟學界的努力能夠 |
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4733.41 |
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4735.41 |
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快速的融入進去 |
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4735.41 |
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4737.41 |
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跟國外比較成熟的先進廠商 |
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4737.41 |
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4739.41 |
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已經開發的功能一起合作 |
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4739.41 |
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4741.41 |
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以上謝謝 |
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4742.41 |
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4744.41 |
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好謝謝我們臺船的陳董事長 |
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4744.41 |
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4746.41 |
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那由於在場委員 |
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4748.41 |
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目前我們就請我們洪昭偉 |
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4748.41 |
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4750.41 |
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來代理我來發言謝謝 |
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4758.51 |
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4760.51 |
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好我們現在請這個中嘉賓委員發言 |
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4763.79 |
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4765.79 |
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謝謝主席 |
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4765.79 |
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4767.79 |
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今天的公聽會剛剛已經 |
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4767.79 |
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4769.79 |
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聽了相關的主管機關 |
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4769.79 |
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4771.79 |
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列席代表的說明 |
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4771.79 |
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4773.79 |
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也聽到了 |
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4773.79 |
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4775.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
15位學者專家當中前兩位 |
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4775.79 |
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4777.79 |
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剛好都是有軍方背景代表 |
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4777.79 |
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4779.79 |
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的空軍跟海軍的發言 |
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4779.79 |
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4781.79 |
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那很有意思的是 |
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4781.79 |
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4783.79 |
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在這一次之前 |
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4783.4 |
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4785.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
立法院三個政黨黨團 |
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4785.4 |
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4787.4 |
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都推出了自己的版本 |
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4789.4 |
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那其中比較有爭議的 |
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4789.4 |
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就是要交付給國防委員來主審 |
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但是最後呢 |
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4795.4 |
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依在野黨的多數交付給 |
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4795.4 |
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4797.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
經濟委員來主審 |
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4797.4 |
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4799.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
但是很有趣的 |
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4799.4 |
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4801.4 |
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首先在野黨推薦的委員 |
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4801.4 |
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4803.4 |
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都是軍方的代表 |
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4805.4 |
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但是此刻在群賢101 |
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4805.4 |
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4807.4 |
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有產業界的代表 |
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4807.4 |
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4809.4 |
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他們因為今天他們 |
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4809.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
4811.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
不是發言專家學者 |
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4811.4 |
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4813.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
而是要我們全場的轉播實況 |
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4813.4 |
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4815.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
除了這些產業界在看之外 |
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4817.4 |
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還有誰在看呢 |
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4816.98 |
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4818.98 |
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還有的就是 |
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4818.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
4820.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
下一頁無人載具的預算動向 |
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4820.98 |
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4822.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
投資大眾都在看 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
4824.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
恐怕這最近將近 |
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4824.98 |
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4826.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
半個月以來台灣社會 |
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4826.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
4828.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
最關注的新聞不見得是 |
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4828.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
4830.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
無人機專法而是 |
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4830.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
4832.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
我們的股市的行情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
4832.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
4834.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
可是當中牽動的產業新聞的是什麼 |
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4834.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
4836.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
首先在1月20號 |
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4836.98 |
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4838.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
行政院編了1.25兆 |
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4838.98 |
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4840.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
國防任性特別預算之後 |
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4840.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
4842.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
儘管有在野黨 |
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4842.98 |
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4844.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
質疑特別預算的必要性 |
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4844.98 |
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4846.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
剛剛的發言代表也有說 |
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4846.98 |
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4848.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
現在國家有遇到戰爭的威脅嗎 |
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4848.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
4850.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
需要緊急的編列特別預算嗎 |
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4850.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
4852.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
這樣是不是再留子孫呢 |
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4852.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
4854.98 |
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但是事實上最後 |
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4854.98 |
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4856.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
這樣的一個特別預算 |
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4856.98 |
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4858.98 |
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還是 |
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4858.83 |
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4860.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
在5月8號的時候 |
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4860.83 |
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4862.83 |
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在野黨啦 |
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4862.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
4864.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
要求要刪掉四期 |
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4864.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
4866.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
零零億四千七百億後 |
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4866.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
4868.89 |
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還是通過了 |
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4868.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
4870.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
我要強調一次儘管在野黨的主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
4870.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
4872.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
是認為不應該編列特別預算 |
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4872.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
4874.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
不應該再留子孫 |
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4874.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
4876.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
並沒有迫切的需要 |
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4876.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
4878.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
但是還是通過了但是砍了四千七百億 |
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4878.89 |
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4880.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
當時我們看一下 |
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4880.89 |
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4882.89 |
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在行政院發表1.25兆的時候 |
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4882.89 |
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4884.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
相關國內的無人載具 |
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4884.89 |
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4886.89 |
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軍工股就集體漲停 |
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4886.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
4888.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
收紅但是當5月8號 |
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4890.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
4892.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
在野黨多數 |
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4891.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
4893.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
刪減了四千七百億 |
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4893.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
4895.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
全部的無人載具刊光之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
4895.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
4897.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
無人載具的概念股 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
4897.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
4899.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
就集體鐵停收黑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
4899.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
4901.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
但是到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
4901.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
4903.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
8月18號行政院再接再厲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
4903.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
4905.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
又提出了兩千一百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
4905.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
4907.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
要採購三型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
4907.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
4909.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
無人載具這時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
4909.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
4911.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
在四天後我們看到無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
4911.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
4913.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
概念股又多加漲停收紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
4913.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
4915.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
然而就在前天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
4915.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
4917.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
我們看到了國民黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
4917.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
4919.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
的提案要統三 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
4920.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
4922.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
行政院六年計畫當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
4922.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
4924.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
統 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
4924.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
4926.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
統籌型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
4926.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
4928.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
442億無人載具的預算之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
4928.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
4930.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
就在昨天7月22號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
4930.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
4932.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
無人機的概念股又急停 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
4933.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
4935.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
收黑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
4935.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
4937.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
難不成在野黨是有人在炒股嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
4937.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
4939.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
要放空無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
4939.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
4941.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
產業相關的產業嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
4941.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
4943.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
我很懷疑啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
4943.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
4945.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
但是不應該為了政黨利益政治惡鬥 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].start |
4945.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
4947.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
破壞產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
4947.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
4949.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
還有呢相關台灣社會投資大眾的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
4949.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
4951.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
我們往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
4951.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
4953.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
好那我們先看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
4953.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
4955.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
到底這個2100億的行政院版 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
4955.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
4959.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
跟國民黨版的2400億差別在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
4959.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
4961.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
我們打個比方好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
4962.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
4964.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
父母給孩子求學中的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
4964.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
4966.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
每個月1萬塊的生活費 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
4966.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
4968.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
孩子問爸爸媽媽說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
4968.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
4970.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
哎呀我需要電腦打報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
4970.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
4972.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
大概需要3萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
4972.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
4974.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
父母說好啊我給你買好一點的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
4974.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
4976.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
給你4萬塊的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
4976.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
4978.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
但是呢接下來要告訴你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
4978.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
4980.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
接下來每個月的生活費 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
4980.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
4982.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
5000塊你分8個月存起來就可以買了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
4983.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
4985.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
這不是笑話嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
4986.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
4990.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
行政院表達我們需要2100億額外的特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
4990.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
4992.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
在年度預算之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
4992.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
4994.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
要2100億的特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
4995.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
4997.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
國民黨團很慷慨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
4997.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
4999.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
說2100億太少了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
4999.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
5001.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
我給你2400億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
5001.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
5005.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
但是分6年每年的從你的年度預算扣400億下來發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
5007.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
5011.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
這個叫做民給死砍啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
5012.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
5014.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
有給的更多嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
5014.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
5016.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
哪一個父母你告訴你孩子這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
5016.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
5018.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
一定是被他笑死 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
5018.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
5020.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].text |
往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
5019.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
5021.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
所以說國民黨版的年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
5021.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
5023.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
看得到吃不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
5023.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
5025.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
我們看到最近的媒體報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
5025.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
5027.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
產業說什麼需要可預期的國家資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
5028.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
5030.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
很多產業在初期發展的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
5030.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
5032.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
為什麼軍工產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
5033.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
5035.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
因為民間多數不會採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
5035.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
5037.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
一定是靠國家的採購來支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
5038.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
5040.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
市長目前我們看到文仔劇的最大應用是在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
5042.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
5044.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
是在噴農藥嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
5043.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
5045.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
是在空拍嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
5045.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
5047.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
是在海上救援嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
5047.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
5049.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
5048.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
5050.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
現在台灣跟世界各地大家看到無人機最大應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
5050.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
5052.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
是在二戰爭的戰場上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].start |
5052.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].end |
5058.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].text |
看到了無人機大量的減少首方的人員傷亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].start |
5058.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].end |
5064.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].text |
他用不對稱的戰役方式造成了給侵略者非常大的一個制衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].start |
5065.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].end |
5067.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
我們看到烏克蘭的無人機飛躍一兩千公里 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].start |
5067.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
5069.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
去轟炸俄羅斯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].start |
5069.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].end |
5071.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].text |
包括西伯利亞的煉油廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].start |
5072.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].end |
5074.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].text |
告訴侵略者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
5073.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
5075.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
不能憑藉你的人多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
5075.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].end |
5077.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].text |
不能憑藉你的炮火力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].start |
5077.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].end |
5079.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
犀利你就可以任意的去欺負鄰居 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
5080.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].end |
5082.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
台灣跟其他民主國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
5082.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].end |
5084.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
需要這樣的方式來告訴全世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].start |
5084.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
5086.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].text |
這些野心的侵略國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
5086.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
5088.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
不可輕舉妄動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
5090.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
5092.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
結果我們看到國民黨的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].start |
5093.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
5095.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
年年拖啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
5094.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
5096.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
去年也拖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
5096.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
5098.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
今年也拖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
5097.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].end |
5101.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
我們行政院在依憲法有法定預算的編制權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
5102.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].end |
5104.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
立法院當然可以審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].start |
5104.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
5106.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
認為太多當然可以砍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
5106.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
5110.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
但是沒有荒唐到說今年的預算到現在快8月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].start |
5110.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
5112.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
立法院還沒有完成審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].start |
5113.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].end |
5115.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
這是破天荒的憲政恥辱 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
5116.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
5118.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
立法院的多數應該要來面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
5118.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
5120.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
5119.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
5121.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
最後我們再來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
5121.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
5123.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
好所以兩手策略先砍再補償 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
5124.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
5126.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
對不起上一頁第五頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
5127.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].end |
5129.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
所以國民黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
5129.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
5131.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
對不起再往上跳 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
5131.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
5133.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
我們看到了這是國民黨目前提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
5133.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
5135.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
2400億6年的年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
5135.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
5137.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
5137.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
5139.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
但是現在就在前天剛說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
5139.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
5141.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
442億無人載具的統籌型計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
5146.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
5148.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
分在未來的6年要執行的呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
5148.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
5150.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
國民黨黨團已經先放話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
5150.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
5152.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
說要通通刪掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
5153.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
5155.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
通通刪掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
5155.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
5157.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
那結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
5157.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
5159.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
先刪1.25兆當中的4700億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
5159.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
5161.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
在喊停6年的無人載具產業發展統籌型計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
5161.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
5163.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
立法院不是用預算權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
5163.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
5165.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
在預算審查的時候進行刪除 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
5165.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
5167.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
而是透過憲政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
5167.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
5169.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
5169.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
5171.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
他對立法院有載製的多數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
5171.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
5173.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
他先放話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
5175.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
5177.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
恐嚇行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
5176.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
5178.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
這不是憲政機關應有的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
5178.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
5180.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
5179.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
5181.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
所以在這之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
5182.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
5184.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
社會集體反彈啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
5184.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
5186.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
業者反彈啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
5186.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
5188.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
民眾很疑惑啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
5188.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
5190.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
難道國民黨是希望年輕人上戰場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
5190.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
5192.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
還是無人機上戰場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
5192.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
5194.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
結果就有賴斯堡委員得到40張的連署 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
5194.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
5196.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
所以我們合理的認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
5196.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
5198.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
賴斯堡委員的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
5198.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
5200.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
是代表著國民黨的留一手 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
5199.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
5201.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
他說我砍了你4700億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
5201.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
5203.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
我又否定了你的440折億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
5203.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
5205.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
我會補給你500億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
5206.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
5208.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
什麼方式? |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
5208.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
5210.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
5210.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
5212.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
國民黨不是口口聲聲說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
5212.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
5214.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
在議長說特別預算不需要嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
5214.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
5216.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
是債留子孫嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
5216.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
5218.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
現在他也說了500億可以啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
5218.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
5220.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
2000億是債留子孫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
5220.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
5222.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
500億是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
5222.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
5224.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
500億是給你棒棒糖安慰你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
5224.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
5226.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
所以我們看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
5226.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
5228.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
先砍國防部2100億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
5228.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
5230.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
又給經濟部2400億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
5230.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
5232.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
然後呢現在統三440折億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
5232.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
5234.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
現在又提案要給500億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
5230.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
5232.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
剛剛有發言的專家說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
5232.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
5234.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
我們看到的是行政院版 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
5234.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
5236.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
他可能沒有看到有賴斯堡的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
5238.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
5240.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
賴斯堡的版本連署的都是國民黨的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
5240.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
5242.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
5241.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
5243.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
所以我們很清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
5243.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
5245.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
要告訴我們的社會大眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
5246.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
5248.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
其實目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
5249.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
5251.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
我們是支持行政院版的自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
5251.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
5253.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
無人載具採購特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
5253.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
5255.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
以特別預算的方式編列後事國防 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
5255.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
5257.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
我們對於在野黨兩手策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
5257.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
5259.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
5259.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
5261.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
化蛇添足看到到吃不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
5261.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
5263.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
先砍再補杯水車薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
5263.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
5265.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
唐薩外界的質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
5264.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
5266.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
接下來呢我要說明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
5266.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
5268.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
在昨天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
5268.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
5270.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
已經通過院會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
5270.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
5272.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
交付本委員審查的四個版本當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
5272.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
5274.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
包括本席的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
5274.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
5276.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
其實當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
5276.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
5278.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
5278.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
5280.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
也是參照行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
5280.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
5282.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
2100億的特別預算額度之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
5282.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
5284.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
這裡呢回應剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
5284.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
5286.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
有學者專家提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
5286.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
5288.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
有沒有包含產業發展的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
5288.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
5290.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
5289.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
5291.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
5290.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
5292.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
我們的版本有包含產業發展的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
5292.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
5294.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
那麼關於到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
5294.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
5296.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
這裡面有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
5296.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
5298.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
有提到說如果現在國防 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
5298.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
5300.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
採購有弊案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
5300.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
5302.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
有廠商不合資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
5303.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
5305.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
一條約不能履約 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
5305.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
5307.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
那我們很好奇啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
5307.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
5309.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
最近媒體報導上看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
5309.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
5311.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
什麼馬桶製造商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
5311.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
5313.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
可以來賣炸藥啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
5313.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
5315.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
這樣的一個形容充斥著在野黨的言論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
5315.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
5317.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
但是我們看到背後是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
5317.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
5319.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
背後的是假質詢之明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
5319.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
5321.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
行破壞之實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
5321.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
5323.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
台灣的國防採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
5323.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
5325.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
非常的辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
5325.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
5327.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
在國際市場上要突破中共的打壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
5327.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
5329.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
取得這些供應商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
5329.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
5331.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
他們難得的供應來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
5331.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
5333.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
往往要透過不同的管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
5333.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
5335.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
更何況如果用這種廠商資格來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
5336.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
5338.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
質疑採購的正當性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
5338.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
5340.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
跟他的供應的能力的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
5340.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
5342.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
現在我們看到的無人載具的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
5342.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
5344.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
哪一個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
5344.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
5346.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
向美國傳統的軍工大廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
5346.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
5348.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
所提供的都是新創公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
5348.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
5350.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
而且迭代更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
5350.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
5352.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
提到反制無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
5352.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
5354.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
其實這是台灣更重要的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
5354.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
5356.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
反制無人機這種當然還在發展中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
5356.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
5358.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
就是因為在發展中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
5358.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
5360.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
能夠先取得的國家才能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
5360.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
5362.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
在未來面對對方用無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
5362.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
5364.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
來攻擊我們才有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
5364.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
5366.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
防禦上的這樣的可行性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
5367.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
5369.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
所以現在的軍工產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
5369.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
5371.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
國防採購不是在產購 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
5371.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
5373.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
成熟的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
5373.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
5375.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
高大富的傳統軍備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
5375.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
5377.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
我們要投資未來型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
5377.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
5379.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
防衛性的武器 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
5379.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
5381.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
就是無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
5381.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
5383.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
希望我們在野黨的朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
5383.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
5385.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
能夠秉持國家利益優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
5385.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
5387.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
能夠來支持行政院版的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
5387.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
5389.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
2100億特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
5389.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
5391.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
5392.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
5394.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
好謝謝中教兵委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
5402.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
5404.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
好接下來我們請第三位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
5404.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
5406.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
第四位資策會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
5406.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
5408.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
洪村輝洪所長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
5423.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
5425.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
主席各位委員還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
5425.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
5427.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
各位先進以及各位政府機關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
5427.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
5429.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
首長代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
5429.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
5431.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
大家早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
5431.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
5433.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
以下是資訊工業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
5433.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
5435.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
測驚會產業情報研究所 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
5435.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
5437.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
洪村輝在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
5437.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
5439.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
我們從整個產業供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
5439.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
5441.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
的發展那特別因為我們長時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
5441.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
5443.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
觀察自通訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
5443.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
5445.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
上下游的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
5445.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
5447.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
提供我們對於台灣無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
5447.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
5449.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
產業技術跟相關供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
5449.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
5451.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
鏈發展的一些觀察 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
5451.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
5453.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
提供給大家來參考 |
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5453.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
5455.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
首先我想先針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
5455.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
5457.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
我們所看到的幾個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
5457.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
5459.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
先做摘要結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
5459.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
5461.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
的報告首先我們觀察 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
5461.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
5463.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
台灣的整個無人機相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
5463.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
5465.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
的供應鏈那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
5465.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
5467.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
以一般如果是中低階 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
5467.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
5469.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
相關的整機供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
5469.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
5471.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
我們的觀察已經基本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
5471.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
5473.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
有它的具體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
5473.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
5475.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
的樣貌那我們也可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
5475.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
5477.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
台灣在機構電子組裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
5477.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
5479.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
光學網通精密 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
5479.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
5481.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
製造跟相關的應用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
5481.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].end |
5483.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].text |
整合能力特別是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
5483.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].end |
5485.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
小型商用或是部分軍用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].start |
5485.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
5487.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
商規的產品已經有一定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].start |
5487.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
5489.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
的供應基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
5489.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
5491.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
整體來說我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
5491.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
5493.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
台灣具有相對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
5493.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
5495.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
目前已經有成型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
5495.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
5497.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
產業供應鏈只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
5497.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
5499.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
在整個供應鏈的發展當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
5499.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
5501.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
產品要從中低階的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
5501.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
5503.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
消費用的產品進到高階 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
5503.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
5505.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].start |
5505.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
5507.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].text |
特別是軍規的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].start |
5507.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
5509.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
的需求的時候其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
5509.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
5511.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
還有技術提升的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
5511.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
5513.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
在我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
5513.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
5515.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
關鍵元件的部分還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
5515.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
5517.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
部分的關鍵元件目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
5517.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
5519.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
有外部依賴的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
5519.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
5521.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
比如說大家常知的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
5521.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
5523.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
電芯或是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
5523.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
5525.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
磁材當中的稀土 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
5525.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
5527.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
那當然還是有外來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
5527.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
5529.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
的依賴這邊值得大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
5529.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
5531.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
持續的在努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
5531.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
5533.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
另外還有一部分是高階 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
5533.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
5535.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
的感測器導航的模組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
5535.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
5537.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
或是一些軍規的光電 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
5537.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
5539.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
的籌載這邊我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].start |
5539.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].end |
5541.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].text |
也還有一些國外技術的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].start |
5541.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].end |
5543.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].text |
一些依賴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].start |
5543.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].end |
5545.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].text |
目前我們也看到有些模組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].start |
5545.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].end |
5547.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].text |
工業能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].start |
5547.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].end |
5549.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].text |
我們台廠已經有具備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].start |
5549.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].end |
5551.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].text |
只是說相對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].start |
5551.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].end |
5553.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].text |
我們常看到的自通訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].start |
5553.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].end |
5555.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].text |
產業來說無論是像做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].start |
5555.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].end |
5557.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].text |
筆電或現在很紅的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].start |
5557.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].end |
5559.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].text |
AI伺服器 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].start |
5559.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].end |
5561.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].text |
台灣目前看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].start |
5561.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].end |
5563.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].text |
無人機的規模市場規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].start |
5563.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].end |
5565.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].text |
相對的還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].start |
5565.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].end |
5567.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].text |
不具有大量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].start |
5567.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].end |
5569.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].text |
的生產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].start |
5569.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].end |
5571.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].text |
動作所以它缺乏 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].start |
5571.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].end |
5573.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].text |
了一個對於大型業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].start |
5573.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].end |
5575.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].text |
進入的一些開發的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
5575.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].end |
5577.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].text |
誘引所以有些時候不見得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].start |
5577.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].end |
5579.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].text |
是能力上的欠缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].start |
5579.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].end |
5581.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].text |
那另一個部分第三點我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].start |
5581.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].end |
5583.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].text |
所看見的現象是目前在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].start |
5583.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
5585.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].text |
AI相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].start |
5585.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].end |
5587.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].text |
導入的時候那要運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].start |
5587.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].end |
5589.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].text |
這個人工智慧來產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
5589.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
5591.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].text |
的非控能力那目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].start |
5591.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
5593.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].text |
其實還有可以再 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].start |
5593.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
5595.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].text |
繼續提升那因為我們可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].start |
5595.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].end |
5597.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].text |
看到無人機現在跟AI |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].start |
5597.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
5599.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].text |
的人工智慧相對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].start |
5599.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].end |
5601.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].text |
相關的一些整合持續 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].start |
5601.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
5603.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
的在進行當中那我們也都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
5603.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
5605.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
台灣無論在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].start |
5605.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
5607.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
上游的半導體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
5607.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].end |
5609.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].text |
中端這些AI的算力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
5609.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].end |
5611.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].text |
等等晶片的製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].start |
5611.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].end |
5613.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].text |
中端產品的製造都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].start |
5613.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].end |
5615.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].text |
世界上的世界級的優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].start |
5615.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].end |
5617.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].text |
可是我們在核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].start |
5617.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
5619.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
的演算法高階系統的 |
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整合上面我們認為還可以 |
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持續的強化那第四 |
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點我們看到的是目前 |
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台灣剛剛提到我們有 |
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很強大的半導體自動 |
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運用的產業不過 |
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回過頭來應用在航太 |
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應用在無人機相關 |
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的領域我們認為還是 |
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5639.11 |
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可以持續的給予誘因 |
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讓他可以持續的提升 |
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那特別我們可以看見在 |
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無人機的運作環境 |
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其實是相對的複雜 |
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5649.11 |
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那尤其剛剛提到 |
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5651.11 |
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如果部分在軍用商規 |
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未來在應用的場景當中 |
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他可能需要具備 |
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抗干擾的通訊他需要 |
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5657.11 |
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5659.11 |
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具備任性的導航在這個複雜 |
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或有干擾的環境當中 |
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仍然能夠進行任性的導航 |
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5665.11 |
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那甚至呢有相關的 |
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5667.11 |
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控制的軟體高階的 |
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5669.11 |
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籌載都是我們認為可以進一步 |
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5671.11 |
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提升的地方 |
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5671.43 |
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5673.43 |
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另一個最後一點第五點 |
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5673.43 |
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5675.43 |
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我們可以看到目前產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
5675.43 |
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5677.43 |
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那麼仍然是以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
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5679.43 |
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中小型態的企業為主 |
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5679.43 |
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5681.43 |
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那當然我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
5681.43 |
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5683.43 |
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中型或是小微 |
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5685.43 |
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企業具有少量多樣 |
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5685.43 |
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5687.43 |
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過速客製化的優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
5687.43 |
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5689.43 |
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但是如果供應鏈過度分散 |
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5689.43 |
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5691.43 |
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那這裡面量產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
5691.43 |
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5693.43 |
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一致性可耗性 |
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5693.43 |
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5695.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
可耗度的資料跟產品 |
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5695.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
5697.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
全生命週期的維修保養能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
5697.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
5699.43 |
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那這個地方就需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
5699.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
5701.43 |
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有進一步建立的這個需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
5701.43 |
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5703.43 |
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那所以我想 |
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5703.43 |
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5705.43 |
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這是五點我們所做的一個中整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
5705.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
5707.43 |
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那如果我們從整體市場來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
5707.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
5709.43 |
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我想大家都應該知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
5709.43 |
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5711.43 |
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其實很多的報告也提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
5711.43 |
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5713.43 |
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在過去這段時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
5713.43 |
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5715.43 |
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二戰爭使得整個無人機 |
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5715.43 |
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5717.43 |
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從輔助的工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
5717.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
5719.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
已經變成是核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
5719.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
5721.43 |
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那各個國家其實也把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
5721.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
5723.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
當成是策略型的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
5723.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
5725.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
投入在軍用的研發跟採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
5725.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
5727.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
那毫無疑問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
5727.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
5729.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
目前全球無人機的市場規模當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
5729.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
5731.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
超過一半 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
5731.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
5733.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
那如果以直的角度來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
5733.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
5735.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
超過一半是來自於軍用的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
5735.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
5737.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
可是進一步我們也發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
5737.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
5739.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
相關的技術在擴散當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
5739.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
5741.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
從軍用的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
5741.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
5743.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
開始擴散到農業用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
5743.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
5745.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
工業用運輸用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
5745.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
5747.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
關鍵幾種設施相關的檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
5747.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
5749.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
甚至其他各式各樣的產經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
5749.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
5751.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
所以場景 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
5751.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
5753.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
所以這種垂直產業應用的深化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].start |
5753.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
5755.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
我們認為這也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
5755.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
5757.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
我們國內的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
5757.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].end |
5759.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
國內的產業在未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
5759.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
5761.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
可以進一步思考的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
5761.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
5763.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
那當然所以這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
5763.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
5765.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
我們也知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].start |
5765.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
5767.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
在國際上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
5767.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
5769.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
在消費型用的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
5769.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
5771.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
那很明顯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].start |
5771.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].end |
5773.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].text |
那當然是大陸的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].start |
5773.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].end |
5775.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].text |
大疆是占有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].start |
5775.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].end |
5777.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].text |
相當高的市場優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
5777.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
5779.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
所以我們也不建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].start |
5779.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
5781.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
其實我們在這個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].start |
5781.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
5783.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
就直接在一般的消費型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
5783.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
5785.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].text |
市場跟它進行正面的競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
5785.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
5787.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
所以以台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].start |
5787.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
5789.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].text |
產業切入的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
5789.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
5791.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].text |
以我們產業分析跟觀察的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].start |
5791.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
5793.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].text |
角度來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
5793.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].end |
5795.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].text |
可以從國防的商規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
5795.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
5797.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].text |
剛剛提到的公共安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
5797.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
5799.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].text |
巡檢、偵搜、反制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
5799.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
5801.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].text |
以及強化我們台灣在可信任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
5801.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
5803.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
供應鏈這些的差異化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
5803.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
5805.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].text |
來著手 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
5805.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
5807.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
那我們也確實看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
5807.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
5809.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].text |
行政院裡面有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
5809.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].end |
5811.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].text |
包括三金二軟這些的關鍵技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
5811.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
5813.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
剛剛我們也提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
5813.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
5815.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
我們可以持續強化的飛行控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
5815.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
5817.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].text |
通訊、衛星定位這些的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
5817.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
5819.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].text |
晶片模組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
5819.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
5821.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].text |
以及關鍵的軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
5821.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
5823.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
包括飛行的控制跟地面控制等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
5823.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
5825.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
所以從整個供應鏈來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].start |
5825.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
5827.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].text |
我們認為台灣的優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
5827.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
5829.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
不在於一個單一整機的品牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
5829.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
5831.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
當然希望未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
5831.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
5833.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
可以逐漸的建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
5833.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
5835.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
而是我們有很強大的ICT |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
5835.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
5837.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
工業電腦、通訊模組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
5837.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
5839.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
光電影像、電池 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
5839.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
5841.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
產卡系統整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
5841.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
5843.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
更重要的是可信賴以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
5843.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
5845.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
快速客製化的供應產業鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
5845.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
5847.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
所以我們可以看見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
5847.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
5849.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
台灣的產業從 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
5849.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
5851.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
元件模組到整機 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
5851.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
5853.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
說實話我們的觀察 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
5853.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
5855.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
基本上都有一定的供應能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].start |
5855.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].end |
5857.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].text |
也就是說我們要做出一台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
5857.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].end |
5859.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].text |
國產的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].start |
5859.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
5861.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
相對不是問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
5861.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
5863.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].text |
但是問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].start |
5863.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
5865.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].text |
當我們進到更高階的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].start |
5865.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].end |
5867.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].text |
剛剛提到比如說在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].start |
5867.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
5869.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
戰術任性軍用商規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
5869.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
5871.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
或是長航時高筹載的航空 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
5871.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
5873.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
所需要的這些無人機產品的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
5873.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
5875.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
那它需要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
5875.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
5877.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].text |
自主飛行能力、整合人工智慧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].start |
5877.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
5879.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
要高強度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
5879.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
5881.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].text |
長航行這些基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].start |
5881.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
5883.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].text |
那我們認為台灣的供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
5883.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
5885.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
台灣的模組能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
5885.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
5887.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
仍然可以持續的提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].start |
5887.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].end |
5889.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].text |
正如前面所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].start |
5889.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].end |
5891.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].text |
無人機在未來的運作環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
5891.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
5893.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].text |
可能不比我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].start |
5893.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].end |
5895.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
筆電、平板或是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].start |
5895.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].end |
5897.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].text |
手機它會處在一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].start |
5897.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].end |
5899.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].text |
許多電子干擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
5899.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
5901.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].text |
群機協作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].start |
5901.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
5903.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
技術難度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
5903.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
5905.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
環境上的噪音都會很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
5905.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
5907.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
技術難度會高於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].start |
5907.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
5909.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
不同的商用機種 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
5909.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
5911.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
所以我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
5911.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
5913.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
台灣已經做得出整機 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
5913.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
5915.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
但是未來我們可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
5915.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
5917.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
進一步的強化我們的技術能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].start |
5917.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
5919.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
在高干擾環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
5919.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
5921.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
有高度環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
5921.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
5923.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
威脅的場景之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].start |
5923.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
5925.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].text |
當然可以完成它的任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].start |
5925.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
5927.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
所以在最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
5927.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].end |
5929.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].text |
我們看到的幾個重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].start |
5929.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
5931.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
相關的一些缺口 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
5931.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
5933.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
那我們提出來給大家參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
5933.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
5935.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
或許在我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].start |
5935.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
5937.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
相關的團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
5937.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
5939.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
或業者在發展的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
5939.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
5941.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
可以進一步思考的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
5941.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
5943.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
第一個就是我們剛剛提到的非控 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
5943.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
5945.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
跟任務軟體的控制權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
5945.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
5947.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
我們看到這些高階的人機的任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
5947.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
5949.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
需要掌握安全啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].start |
5949.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
5951.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
部長管理、受干擾的控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].start |
5951.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
5953.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
參數調校、版本治理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
5953.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
5955.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
甚至自主飛行的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].start |
5955.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
5957.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
而這些要能夠在異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
5957.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
5959.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
或是干擾的環境當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
5959.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
5961.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
5961.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
5963.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
這裡面我們認為需要進一步的來強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
5963.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
5965.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
另外是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].start |
5965.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
5967.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
高階的電光感測 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
5967.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
5969.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
跟精準的抽摘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].start |
5969.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
5971.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
特別是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
5971.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
5973.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
強風、震動、長距離的條件之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
5973.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
5975.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
能夠穩定地去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
5975.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
5977.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
維持運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
5977.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
5979.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
當然還包括了長航時的動力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
5979.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
5981.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
還有能源系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
5981.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
5983.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
以及剛剛提到抗干擾的通訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
5983.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
5985.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
任性定位跟鍛煉的自治 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
5985.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
5987.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
以及驗證量產 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
5987.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
5989.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
全生命的週期工程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
5989.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
5991.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
最後我想還有30秒的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
5991.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
5993.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
我們也特別強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
5993.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
5995.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
其實剛剛大家很多在提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
5995.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
5997.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
這些技術或產業或是國防的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
5997.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
5999.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
需求的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
5999.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
6001.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
我們的觀察其中還有一個很重要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
6001.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
6003.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
軟硬體相關的整合人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
6003.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
6005.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
剛剛提到有許多在這當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
6005.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
6007.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
投入的是中型或是小微的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
6007.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
6009.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
6009.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
6011.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
很容易這些國內的人才會流向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
6011.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
6013.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
這些大型的科技公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
6013.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
6015.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
上下游的科技公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
6015.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
6017.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
無人機的產業如何能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
6017.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
6019.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
吸納相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
6019.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
6021.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
這些人才我們認為是未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
6021.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
6023.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
大家可以持續進一步探討的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
6023.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
6025.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
所以以上是我的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
6025.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
6027.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
6027.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
6029.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
好謝謝黃所長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
6029.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
6031.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
接下來邀請黃介政理事長發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
6037.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
6039.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
謝謝主席在座的各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
6039.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
6041.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
專家學者還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
6041.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
6043.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
我們行政機關列席的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
6043.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
6045.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
各位同仁大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
6045.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
6047.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
6047.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
6049.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
6049.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
6051.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
我特別同情我們今天國防部的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
6053.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
6055.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
我們現在的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
6055.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
6057.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
我們現在國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
6057.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
6059.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
面臨我個人認為最大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
6059.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
6061.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
就是我們有十輛卡車 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
6061.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
6063.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
只有七個駕駛兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
6065.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
6067.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
我們現在所有講的國防採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
6067.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
6069.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
不管是已經通過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
6069.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
6071.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
七千八百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
6071.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
6073.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
這個加上去的話我們可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
6073.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
6075.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
有十二三輛卡車 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
6075.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
6077.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
但是還是七個駕駛兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
6077.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
6079.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
當初如果1.25兆通過的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
6079.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
6081.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
可能我們快有三十輛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
6081.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
6083.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
卡車還是七個駕駛兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
6084.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
6086.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
所以我們今天談國防產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
6086.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
6088.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
談國防採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
6088.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
6090.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
不管國際形勢海峽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
6091.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
6093.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
的軍事威脅多大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
6094.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
6096.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
6095.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
6097.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
有的時候啊一直在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
6098.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
6100.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
買裝備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
6099.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
6101.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
6100.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
6102.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
一直沒有辦法去面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
6102.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
6104.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
人力缺口的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
6105.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
6107.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
那因為這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
6107.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
6109.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
6108.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
6110.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
很多人去考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
6110.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
6112.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
延長兵役很多人考慮外籍兵團 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
6112.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
6114.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
很多人考慮到女性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
6114.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
6116.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
從軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
6116.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
6118.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
義務役 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
6118.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
6120.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
有些人考慮到科技發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
6120.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
6122.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
解決問題這不是台灣的問題而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
6122.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
6124.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
日本也是韓國也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
6124.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
6126.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
6125.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
6127.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
我們其實今天在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
6128.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
6130.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
在立法院這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
6130.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
6132.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
這個地方這個機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
6132.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
6134.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
那個朝野這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
6134.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
6136.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
強烈的對立 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
6136.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
6138.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
是常態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
6138.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
6140.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
也是民主國家的必然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
6140.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
6142.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
大家如果要攻防要辯論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
6144.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
6146.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
我覺得都是很正常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
6147.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
6149.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
我們手上資料那麼厚一疊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
6150.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
6152.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
可見喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
6152.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
6154.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
有共識就是無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
6154.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
6156.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
科技發展解決人力缺口的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
6156.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
6158.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
是我們台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
6158.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
6160.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
要面對的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
6160.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
6162.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
我們必須要去考慮用科技的手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
6162.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
6164.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
去解決我們人力不足的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].start |
6164.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
6166.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
6166.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
6168.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
大家看那麼多黨團那麼多委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
6169.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
6171.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
提無人載具相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
6171.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
6173.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
這個法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
6174.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
6176.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
6176.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
6178.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
可見無人載具已經是共識了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
6178.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
6180.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
今天我們也不用去講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].start |
6180.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
6182.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
烏克蘭也不用去講伊朗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
6182.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
6184.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
無人載具本來就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
6184.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
6186.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
我們需要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
6186.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
6188.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
我們也有另外一個第二個共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
6188.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].end |
6190.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
就是國際的壓力就在嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
6191.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
6193.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
台灣要不要提升國防預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
6193.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
6195.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
有沒有壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].start |
6195.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
6197.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
6196.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].end |
6198.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
壓力最大的來源是哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
6198.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
6200.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
美國嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
6200.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
6202.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
6201.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
6203.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
大家也不要不承認 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
6203.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
6205.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
所以大家又有第二個共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
6205.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
6207.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
就是我們面臨外部壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
6207.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
6209.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
才會開今天這個公聽會啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
6209.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
6211.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
五年前怎麼沒有無人載具的公聽會呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
6212.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
6214.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
第三個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
6214.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
6216.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
飛鴻供應鏈喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
6216.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
6218.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
是一個必然我們的處境 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
6218.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
6220.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
不管是國際或者是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
6220.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
6222.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
國安的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
6222.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
6224.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
那飛鴻供應鏈是一個我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
6225.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
6227.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
跟烏克蘭不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
6227.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
6229.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
跟伊朗不一樣的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
6229.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
6231.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
因為很多別的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
6231.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
6233.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
可能在發展無人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
6233.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
6235.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
載具產業的時候不用考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
6235.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
6237.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
飛鴻供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
6237.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
6239.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
那我們就要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
6239.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
6241.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
那我們如何能夠在飛鴻供應鏈的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
6241.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
6243.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
限制條件之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
6243.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
6245.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
創造發展出一個我國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
6245.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
6247.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
6247.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
6249.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
讓台灣可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
6249.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
6251.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
讓台灣可以在國際的供應鏈中間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
6251.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
6253.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
發展出一個具有特色的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
6253.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
6255.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
一個產業就非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
6258.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
6260.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].text |
大家都要顯示防衛決心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
6261.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
6263.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
我長期從事對美工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
6264.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
6266.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
到美國國會山莊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
6266.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
6268.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
每一個國會議員給你大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
6268.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
6270.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
就是十分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
6270.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
6272.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].text |
所以他們的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
6272.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
6274.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].text |
展現決心就是掏錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
6276.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
6278.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].text |
邊預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
6277.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
6279.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
增加國防預算就是決心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
6279.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
6281.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
但是我們在場所有人都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
6282.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
6284.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
國防真正的決心是培植 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
6285.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
6287.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
實際的戰鬥能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
6287.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
6289.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
作戰能量跟能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
6290.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
6292.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].text |
不是只有錢而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
6293.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
6295.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
那麼所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
6294.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
6296.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
依照防衛決心大家就會去辯論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
6296.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
6298.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
到底要編特別預算還是經常性的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
6300.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
6302.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
另外就是無人產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
6303.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].end |
6307.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
我們是只買無人軍事用的無人載具呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
6307.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
6309.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
還是我們藉由這個機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
6309.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
6311.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
把我們整體國防 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
6313.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
6315.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].text |
整體國家的產業結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
6316.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
6318.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
把香堪進去一個無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
6319.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
6321.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
的未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
6321.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
6323.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
所以我們到底是看整體產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
6323.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
6325.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].text |
還是看緊急採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
6326.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
6328.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
國防武器採購當然很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
6328.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
6330.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
四十年前我到美國我就開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
6333.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
6335.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
經歷到很多國防部的同仁面臨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
6335.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
6337.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
華美會議的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
6341.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
6343.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
所以我們今天到底是先開五年菜單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
6343.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
6345.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
滿漢全席我告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
6345.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
6347.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
第一道菜什麼第二道菜什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
6347.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
6349.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
五年之內就吃這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
6351.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
6353.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
還是我們給台灣所有的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
6353.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
6355.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].text |
一個多重菜市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
6358.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].end |
6360.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].text |
有超市有傳統市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
6360.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
6362.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
你可以買到當季的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
6364.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
6366.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
彈性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
6365.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
6367.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
激動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
6367.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
6369.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
這個非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
6369.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
6371.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
我現在也不敢講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
6371.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
6373.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
五年後的無菜單料理裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
6373.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
6375.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
會有哪些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
6376.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].end |
6378.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].text |
所以我們要保持一定的彈性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
6379.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].end |
6381.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].text |
科技的發展永遠走在法律的前面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].start |
6383.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].end |
6385.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].text |
大家看AI就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].start |
6386.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].end |
6388.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].text |
對不對 歐洲想要針對AI |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].start |
6388.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].end |
6390.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].text |
人工智慧立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
6390.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].end |
6392.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].text |
立法都很慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
6392.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].end |
6394.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].text |
科技發展很快 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].start |
6394.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].end |
6396.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].text |
無人載具的迭代 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
6396.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].end |
6398.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].text |
是用幾個星期在計算的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].start |
6399.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].end |
6401.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].text |
所以我們今天一次卡死 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].start |
6401.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].end |
6403.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
所有滿漢全席的菜單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
6403.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].end |
6405.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].text |
合不合適請大家去思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].start |
6411.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].end |
6413.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].text |
去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
6412.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].end |
6414.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].start |
6414.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].end |
6416.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].text |
我還在國民黨中央任職的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].start |
6417.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].end |
6419.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].text |
我主動的請因 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
6421 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].end |
6425 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].text |
我們花了四個月的時間整理出了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].start |
6425.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].end |
6427.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].text |
國民黨版本的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].start |
6427.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].end |
6429.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].text |
國防與韌性發展願景 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
6431.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].end |
6433.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].text |
的藍皮書 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
6432.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].end |
6434.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].text |
很可惜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
6434.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
6436.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].text |
當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
6436.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
6438.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
很多因素啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
6438.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].end |
6440.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].text |
目前還沒有公諸於世 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
6440.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].end |
6442.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].text |
那麼在這個思考的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
6442.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].end |
6444.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].text |
跟立法院的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
6444.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].end |
6446.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
相關委員會的自身助理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
6446.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
6448.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
跟學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
6448.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
6450.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
跟退役的降效 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
6450.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
6452.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
我們花了很多的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
6452.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
6454.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
去討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
6454.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
6456.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
那個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
6456.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
6458.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
過程當中剛好碰到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
6458.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
6460.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
北約在海牙開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
6460 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
6462 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
通過了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
6461.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
6463.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
國防投資承諾的一個願景 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
6464.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
6466.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
從2025年到2035年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
6466.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
6468.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
以十年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
6469.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
6471.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
以經常性的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
6473.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
6475.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
6475.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
6477.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
核心國防投資到GDP的3.5% |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
6479.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
6481.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
以及關鍵基礎設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
6481.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
6483.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
以及防衛相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
6485.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
6487.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
預算到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
6486.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
6488.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
GDP的1.5% |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
6488.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
6490.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
所以3.5加1.5合起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
6491.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
6493.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
5% |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
6494.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
6496.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
美國華盛頓表示高度的讚賞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
6498.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
6500.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
所以在去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
6500.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
6502.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
我所主持召集的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
6502.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
6504.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
會議當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
6504.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
6506.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
我們越來越相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
6508.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
6510.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
一次性購買 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
6510.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
6512.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
不是防衛承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
6512.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
6514.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
但是會讓很多人很高興 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
6514.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
6516.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
為什麼廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
6516.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
6518.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
需要先看到滿漢全席的菜單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
6519.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
6521.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
但是站在台灣的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
6521.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
6523.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
我們如何運用經常性的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
6523.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
6525.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
逐年編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
6525.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
6527.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
那才是真正的決心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
6529.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
6531.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
特別預算結束以後又回歸到原來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
6533.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
6535.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
BD |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
6534.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
6536.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
真正的防衛決心防衛承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
6536.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
6538.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
是透過經常性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
6538.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
6540.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
6540.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
6542.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
逐年的增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
6542.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
6544.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
因為我們確實面對了國防的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
6547.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
6549.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
居廟堂之高啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
6549.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
6551.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
真有其名啊,處江湖之遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
6552.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
6554.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
真有其軍啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
6554.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
6556.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
台灣是一個民主的社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
6556.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
6558.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
中華民國是一個民主的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
6558.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
6560.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
不會有任何一個黨永遠執政 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
6563.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
6565.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
所以角色轉換了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
6566.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
6568.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
換了執政黨以後就換位置 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
6568.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
6570.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
換位置以後就換腦袋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
6571.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
6573.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
所以朝野的攻防很正常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
6574.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
6576.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
但重點在於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
6577.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
6579.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
我們要為我們自己的國防啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
6579.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
6581.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
的長遠發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
6582.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
6584.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
要付出,要關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
6585.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
6587.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
所以最後我想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
6587.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
6589.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
建議朝野的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
6590.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
6592.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
委員諸公啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
6592.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
6594.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
不要拖時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
6594 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
6596 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
6594.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
6596.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
每一個版本都有可取之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
6597.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
6599.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
大家儘快的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
6600.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
6602.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
把它解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
6602.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
6604.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
大家共同來面對外部的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
6604.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
6606.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
6607.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
6609.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
好,謝謝黃理事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
6609.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
6611.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
接下來邀請知洋科技的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
6611.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
6613.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
湛祥志 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
6613.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
6615.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
湛總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
6626.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
6628.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
6628.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
6630.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
各位委員,各位機關代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
6630.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
6632.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
各位專家學者,先進媒體朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
6632.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
6634.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
大家早 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
6633.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
6635.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
那今天代表業界 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
6635.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
6637.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
來這邊跟各位介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
6637.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
6639.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
台灣不可或缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
6639.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
6641.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
尤其要把水下優勢轉變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
6641.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
6643.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
不對稱轉利 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
6643.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
6645.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
這個戰利的一個很重要的環節 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
6645.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
6647.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
跟各位介紹一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
6647.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
6649.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
那麼,呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
6649.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
6651.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
我是湛祥志,呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
6651.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
6653.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
在11年前創辦自然科技公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
6653.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
6655.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
那在去年,我們也成立了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
6655.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
6657.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
水下噪音協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
6657.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
6659.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
那我們做了一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
6659.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
6661.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
在台灣不容易看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
6661.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
6663.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
一些產品跟環節 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
6663.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
6665.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
第一個部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
6665.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
6667.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
各位看到這張照片是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
6667.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
6669.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
台灣第一部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
6668.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
6670.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
台灣第一部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
6670.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
6672.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
軍用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
6671.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
6673.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
三龜的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
6673.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
6675.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
水下載具,它是用來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
6675.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
6677.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
獵雷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
6675.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
6677.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
我們投資了1.2億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
6677.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
6679.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
到現在沒有接到單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
6679.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
6681.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
所以在今天的這個特別條例的公聽會裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
6681.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
6683.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
我想要強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
6683.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
6685.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
我們業界最怕的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
6685.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
6687.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
先撐死再餓死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
6687.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
6689.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
或者餓死了,還吃不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
6690.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
6692.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
所以我們希望在特別條例來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
6692.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
6694.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
或者是在常規的預算來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
6694.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
6696.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
我們的希望能夠穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
6696.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
6698.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
甚至是能夠讓更多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
6698.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
6700.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
新創公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
6700.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
6702.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
以及在台灣的產業鏈結合國際的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
6702.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
6704.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
整體的供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
6704.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
6706.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
能夠持續發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
6708.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
6710.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
在我今天的報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
6710.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
6712.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
在這份簡報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
6712.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
6714.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
第一部分想跟各位介紹的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
6715.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
6717.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
台海的這個水下戰力的威脅 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
6717.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
6719.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
其實我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
6719.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
6721.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
從國防部從經濟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
6721.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
6723.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
特別是能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
6723.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
6725.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
進出口、船運 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
6725.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
6727.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
我們都知道很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
6726.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
6728.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
但是我們如果還是以往用軍艦、用潛艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
6732.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
6734.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
不是納入到這些水下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
6735.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
6737.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
這個無人載具的一種方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
6738.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
6742.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
到最後其實是以大的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
6742.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
6744.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
去換了一個小成本的對方的這種戰力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].start |
6746.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
6748.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
所以我們希望在整體的產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
6748.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].end |
6750.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].text |
以及對應到國防的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
6750.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].end |
6752.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].text |
國家的需求來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
6752.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
6754.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
從防禦、反制甚至是嚇阻 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
6754.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
6756.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
能夠分階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
6756.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
6758.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
不同的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
6757.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
6759.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
我最常聽到的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
6759.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
6761.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].text |
我們的載具可不可以再用來幹嘛幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
6761.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
6763.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
可是當要去做什麼事情都要做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
6764.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
6766.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
這種狀態之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
6766.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
6768.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
其實什麼都做不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
6768.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
6770.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
因為當我們想要去造一個無底鐵金剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
6770.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
6772.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].text |
我們可能就要耗費個五年、十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
6774.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
6776.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
當我們在開發台核之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
6776.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
6778.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
其實在媒體報章雜誌上面有報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
6778.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
6780.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
台台是三百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
6781.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
6783.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].text |
海軍告訴我太貴了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
6784 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
6786 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].text |
所以我們現在在做下一代 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
6786 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
6788 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].text |
只要兩百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
6788 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
6790 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
不曉得還會不會太貴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
6789.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
6791.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].text |
那當然我們都知道這都是要成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
6791.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
6793.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
甚至生產製造、研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
6793.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
6795.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].text |
都需要時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
6795.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].end |
6797.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
所以我們也是希望藉由今天的公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
6797.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
6799.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].text |
讓各位知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
6799.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
6801.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].text |
很重要的一個環節是在台海 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
6801.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
6803.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
作戰的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
6803.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].end |
6805.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
水文環境的掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
6805.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].end |
6807.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
是一個很重要的關鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
6807.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
6809.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
所以我們在設計載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
6809.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
6811.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
設計這些資料收集的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
6812.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
6816.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
必須要先掌握台灣海峽這些水文的環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
6816.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
6818.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
對應到任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
6819.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
6821.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
我要強調任務很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
6821.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
6823.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].text |
列擂、反潛作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
6823.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
6825.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
這些我們都研究過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
6825.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
6827.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
不完全可以用同一套系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].start |
6827.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
6829.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].text |
同一套戰術邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].start |
6829.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
6831.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
甚至是同一個方案來解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
6831.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
6833.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
所以不同的任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].start |
6833.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
6835.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
我們就需要根據這些的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
6835.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
6837.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
來對應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
6837.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
6839.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
那我想海軍也很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
6839.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
6841.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
這種戰術的模擬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
6841.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
6843.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
一直到戰系、軍備 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
6843.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
6845.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
這些都有需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
6845.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
6847.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
我們必須要有這些任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
6847.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
6849.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
然後來開發載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
6849.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
6853.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
才能進一步來因應未來的戰場需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
6854.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].end |
6857.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
台灣過去其實比較多都會看到學員界 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].start |
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6860.93 |
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有像這樣子的一個生產技術的能量 |
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6865.54 |
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但是實際上造出一艘、一台、一組都不難 |
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6867.01 |
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6869.01 |
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但是要量產 |
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6871.01 |
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因應未來戰場的需求 |
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6873.01 |
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就蠻困難的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
6873.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
6875.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
為什麼?材料從哪裡來? |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
6875.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
6877.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
設備從哪裡來?組裝在哪裡? |
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6877.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].end |
6879.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
甚至水下載具 |
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6879.01 |
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6881.01 |
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或者是無人船 |
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6881.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].end |
6883.01 |
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都需要有基地 |
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6883.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
6885.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
要有母船下海 |
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6883.8 |
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6885.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
所以光看這樣子的一個 |
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6885.8 |
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6887.8 |
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過去的一個採購案 |
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6887.8 |
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6889.8 |
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其實 |
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6890.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].text |
從我們業界角度 |
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6890.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
6892.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
其實都是買半套 |
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6892.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].end |
6894.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
因為只有買載具,沒有買配套 |
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6894.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
6896.64 |
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所以我們必須要提醒 |
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6896.64 |
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6898.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].text |
不管是特別條例 |
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6898.64 |
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6900.64 |
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或者長年編列的預算 |
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6900.64 |
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6902.64 |
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有很多的配套必須要有經驗 |
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6902.64 |
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6904.64 |
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要有實戰的能力 |
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6904.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].end |
6906.64 |
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來供應 |
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6906.64 |
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6908.64 |
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甚至是對應到採購的這個需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
6908.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
6910.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
國外怎麼做? |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
6910.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
6912.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].text |
那在我的書面資料裡面 |
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6912.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
6914.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
其實也幫各位整理好 |
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6914.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
6916.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].text |
國外有幾個案例包含像歐洲 |
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6916.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
6918.99 |
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像這個澳洲還有美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
6919.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
6921.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].text |
其實在這種新興的水下載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].start |
6921.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].end |
6923.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].text |
無人載具的產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].start |
6923.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].end |
6925.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].text |
都必須要經過POC |
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6925.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].end |
6927.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
也就是死鎮計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
6927.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
6929.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
如果沒有經過POC,沒有經過死鎮計畫 |
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6930.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
6932.68 |
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軍方採購、政府採購 |
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6932.68 |
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6934.68 |
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一下子就要採購很成熟的產品 |
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6935 |
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6937 |
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台灣的產業一點機會都沒用 |
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6937.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
6939.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
最後我們會看到的 |
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6939.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].end |
6941.77 |
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從美國進來,從歐洲進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
6942.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
6944.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
現在這樣的情況會越來越難 |
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6944.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
6946.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
因為全世界都在搶無人機 |
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6946.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
6948.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
搶無人載具 |
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6949.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
6951.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
我們最近跟美國的一些 |
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6951.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
6953.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
新創公司還有產業交流 |
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6953.8 |
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6955.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
他們說現在水下無人載具 |
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6955.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
6957.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
已經全部被控制 |
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6957.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
6959.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
台灣要買得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
6960.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
6962.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
哪怕是一台,都有困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
6963.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
6965.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
如果我們沒有趁這樣子的機會 |
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6965.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
6967.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
建立起台灣的供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
6967.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
6969.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
甚至跟國外合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].start |
6969.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
6971.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
在未來的戰場需求 |
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6971.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
6973.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
甚至是平時 |
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6973.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
6975.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
不要到戰時,平時的檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].start |
6975.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
6977.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
都還蠻困難的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].start |
6977.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
6979.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
要怎麼樣建立從需求到POC到量產 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].start |
6979.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
6981.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
其實有幾個階段 |
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6981.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
6983.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
第一個要明定水下的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].start |
6983.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
6985.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
不同的水深、戰場環境、任務都不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
6986.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
6988.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
POC,從政府出資也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
6988.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
6990.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
從民間募資也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
6990.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
6992.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
其實都有很多的機會可以來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
6993.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
6995.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
分級的海事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
6995.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
6997.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
在這邊我必須要強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
6997.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
6999.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
我們現在看到的無人船 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
6999.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
7001.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
水下載具的測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
7000.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
7002.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
竟然是要求我們業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
7002.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
7004.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
要先完成認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
7005.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
7007.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
我想提醒,我產品完成認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
7007.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
7009.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
我要測試什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
7009.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
7011.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
我就是還沒有取得認證我才要測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
7011.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
7013.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
所以我真的是誠心建議 |
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7013.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
7015.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
包含交通部或經濟部這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
7015.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
7017.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
再訂定很多的安全規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
7017.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
7019.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
我們都希望安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
7021.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
7023.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
但是很多的安全是來自於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
7023.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
7025.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
人的不信任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
7025.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
7027.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
不是機器的不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
7027.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
7029.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
那像這一些的認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
7029.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
7031.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
我沒有被邀請過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
7031.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
7033.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
那我就覺得很好奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].start |
7033.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
7035.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
我們是一家廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
7035.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
7037.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
我們有時機,我們也完成POC |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
7037.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
7039.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
我們也常年在海上作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
7038.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
7040.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
訂定了這一些的一個安全的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
7040.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
7042.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
我們看不懂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
7043.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
7045.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
先取得認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
7045.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
7047.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
才能去做測試的原因是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
7047.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
7049.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
測試就是要知道他哪裡不安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].start |
7049.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
7051.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
既然他安全了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
7051.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
7053.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
何需要再測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
7053.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
7055.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
我們就可以去賣了,就可以去用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
7055.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
7057.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
根本就不需要這樣子的一個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
7057.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
7059.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
所以我們希望先解開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
7059.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
7061.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
這樣子的一個環節 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
7061.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
7063.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
再來是公開需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
7064.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
7066.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
我們在開發台核的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
7066.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
7068.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
我們請議過軍方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
7068.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
7070.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
請議過政府單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
7070.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
7072.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
我們一概被回絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
7072.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
7074.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
因為我們是民間企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
7074.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
7076.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
拿不到列累的戰術 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
7077.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
7079.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
抵對國可能會防止什麼樣的稅累 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
7081.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
7083.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
這樣子的一個需求其實不低於台灣產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
7083.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
7085.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
所以建議是在適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
7085.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
7087.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
非機密的這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
7087.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
7089.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
任務的情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
7089.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
7091.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
能夠促進產、軍、官、學研 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
7091.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
7093.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
一起來開發像這樣子一個產業需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
7097.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
7099.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
最後我想要以這個水下載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
7099.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
7101.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
從一個完整的產業鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
7101.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
7103.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
跟系統成合能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
7103.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
7105.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
來讓各位知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].start |
7105.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
7107.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
資良公司是一家系統商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
7107.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
7109.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].text |
我們很像是一家車廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
7109.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
7111.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
引擎不會自己做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
7111.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
7113.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
輪胎不會自己做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
7113.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
7115.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
但是我們有能力整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
7115.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
7117.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
在台灣要有這樣子整合能力的企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
7117.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
7119.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].text |
甚至是學員節其實不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
7119.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].end |
7121.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].text |
特別是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
7121.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].end |
7123.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].text |
面對像未來軍方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].start |
7123.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].end |
7125.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
或者是這種大量生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
7125.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].end |
7127.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].text |
我還是要強調生產一台不難 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
7127.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].end |
7129.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].text |
量產才難 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
7129.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].end |
7131.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
所以各位看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
7131.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
7133.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
台灣在這所有的簡報上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
7133.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].end |
7135.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
所有的供應鏈裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
7135.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].end |
7137.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].text |
我們究竟能做多少項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].start |
7137.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].end |
7139.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
有沒有一些優先次序 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
7139.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].end |
7141.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].text |
有沒有一些台灣優勢可以先去做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
7142.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].end |
7144.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].text |
我們不斷的盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
7144.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].end |
7146.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
最近蠻多政府單位或法人來拜訪我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
7146.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
7148.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
我就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
7148.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
7150.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
台灣不可能什麼都自己做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
7150.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
7152.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
台灣要做的應該是我們缺乏的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
7153.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].end |
7155.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
缺乏的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
7155.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].end |
7157.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
應該是要好好盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
7156.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
7158.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
學校載具一旦能做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
7159.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
7161.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
我相信無人船無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
7161.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
7163.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
我們都有能力整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
7163.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
7165.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
因為水下載具是最難的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
7165.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
7167.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
再加上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
7166.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
7168.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
水下載具它要對抗的是對岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
7168.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
7170.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
所以光是這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
7170.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
7172.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
我們就是需要去形成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
7172.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
7174.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
一個共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
7175.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
7177.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
我不是從今天才開始談產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
7177.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
7179.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
我在25年前看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
7179.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
7181.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
美國透過學研界 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
7181.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
7183.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
透過美國海軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
7183.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
7185.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
派了一些代表就來台灣做實驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
7186.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
7188.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
他要做什麼實驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
7188.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
7190.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
要調查南海台灣海峽的水溫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
7190.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
7192.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
就是為了抵禦對岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
7193.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
7195.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
我在2020年一直到今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
7195.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
7197.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
我特別要跟各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
7197.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
7199.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
Machin台灣台灣海洋科技紀念載具展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
7199.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
7201.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
由我來籌辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
7201.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
7203.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
沒有人想要去做這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
7203.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
7205.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
因為它蠻難的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
7205.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
7207.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
歡迎各位11月2號可以先到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
7207.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
7209.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
台南 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
7209.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
7211.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
我們現在有台船 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
7211.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
7213.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
有雷虎有紫陽國外有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
7213.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
7215.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
有C-Sat |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
7215.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
7217.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
預計有十幾家台美 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
7217.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
7219.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
無人船水下載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
7219.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
7221.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
會在安平港聯合展演 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
7221.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
7223.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
我們要做第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
7223 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
7225 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
我們也非常期待像這樣子的展演 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
7225 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
7227 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
能夠讓台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
7227 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
7229 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
不管是政府單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
7229 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
7231 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
不管是學研界 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
7231 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
7233 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
不管是國際合作都能夠有機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
7233.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
7235.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].text |
這是我最後一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
7235.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
7237.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].text |
容許我多花30秒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
7237.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
7239.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
請支持特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
7239.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
7241.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
必須要補上水下制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
7241.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
7243.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
水下載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
7243.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
7245.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
不是一般的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
7245.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
7247.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
不是一般的無人船 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
7247.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
7249.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
它必須要搭配了很多的聲納 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
7249.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
7251.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
很多的感測器 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
7251.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
7253.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
台灣有沒有能力製作聲納 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
7253.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
7255.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
跟各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
7255.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
7257.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
有 但是幾年內做不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
7258.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
7260.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
很多人問我說他男在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
7260.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
7262.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
男在客戶不敢跟你買 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
7264.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
7266.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
這是一個很現實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
7266.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
7268.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
我們用的聲納都是歐美大廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
7267.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
7269.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
所以台灣要做的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
7269.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
7271.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
我們可以什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
7271.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
7273.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
關鍵技術可以先自己做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
7273.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
7275.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
來補足 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
7275.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
7277.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
要掌握台灣海峽這個戰局 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
7277.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
7279.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
甚至快速建立水下戰場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
7279.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
7281.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
甚至是跟國際合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
7281.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
7283.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
轉化成台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
7283.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].end |
7285.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].text |
是一個採購的樞紐 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
7285.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].end |
7287.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
這也是我們舉辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
7289.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
7291.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
台灣海洋科技暨無人載具展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
7291.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
7293.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
一個很重要的一個契機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
7293.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
7295.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
11月2號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
7295.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
7297.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
在安平港我們會做展示 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
7297.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
7299.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
11月3到5號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
7299.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
7301.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
在大台南會展中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].start |
7301.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
7303.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
會有最盛大的展出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
7303.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
7305.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
各位看到全世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
7305.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
7307.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
台灣最優秀最優異的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].start |
7307.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
7309.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
產品都會在這邊呈現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
7309.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
7311.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
謝謝主席 謝謝各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].start |
7311.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
7313.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
謝謝戰總經理非常專業的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].start |
7313.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].end |
7315.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].text |
接下來有請民傳大學的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
7315.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
7317.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
紀俊成紀教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
7317.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
7319.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
老師請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
7320.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
7322.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
7335.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
7337.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
7337.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
7339.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
各位協助專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
7339.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
7341.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
各位機關代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
7340.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
7342.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
今天能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
7342.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
7344.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
參加這個公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
7344.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
7346.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
我個人覺得這是一個非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
7346.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
7348.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
榮幸的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].start |
7349.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
7351.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
但是我們也有一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
7351.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
7353.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
還是要來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
7352.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
7354.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
7354.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
7356.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
就是這個立法的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].start |
7356.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
7358.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
我們這個特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
7358.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
7360.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
用語是錯誤的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
7361.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
7363.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
因為法律條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
7364.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
7366.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
通者就四種 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].start |
7366.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
7368.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].text |
哪裡來一個特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].start |
7368.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].end |
7370.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
這個是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
7370.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
7372.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
從這個蘇貞昌當院長以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
7372.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].end |
7374.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].text |
才搞出來的兵塔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
7373.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
7375.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
應該正確的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
7375.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
7377.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
應該是特別預算條例還有一點道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
7378.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
7380.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
他是把預算的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
7380.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
7382.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
特別罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
7382.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
7384.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].text |
為什麼我會這樣講呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
7384.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
7386.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].text |
因為行政院的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
7386.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
7388.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
只有七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
7387.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
7389.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
七條裡面啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
7389.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
7391.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
第一條是立法目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
7391.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
7393.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
最後一條是執行的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
7395.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
7397.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
加錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
7396.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
7398.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
除一詞的話呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
7398.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
7400.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
只剩下五條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
7400.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
7402.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
五條有一條是必然有損盡的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
7402.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
7404.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].text |
隨便四條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
7404.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
7406.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
最重要只有一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
7406.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
7408.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
就是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
7408.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
7410.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
預算啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
7409.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
7411.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
破除啊這個公共債務法的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
7413.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
7415.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
所以這個就是說明啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
7415.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
7417.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
我們的這個行政院啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
7417.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
7419.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
我當然自己要批評的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
7419.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
7421.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
就是這個行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].start |
7421.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
7423.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
主計總處啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].start |
7423.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
7425.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].text |
可以說是不負責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].start |
7425.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
7427.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
另最愛一個法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
7427.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
7429.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
這個法律竟然是要以特別罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
7430.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
7432.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
而且是要排除 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
7433.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
7435.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
公共債務法的收支便宜的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
7437.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
7439.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
那你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
7440.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
7442.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
這樣一個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
7442.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
7444.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
怎麼叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
7443.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
7445.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
要促進產業發展呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
7445.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
7447.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
而且還明定的是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
7448.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
7450.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
要採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
7449.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
7451.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
各位要了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
7451.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
7453.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
但那一個採購的話呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
7453.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
7455.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
產業就能發展起來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
7455.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
7457.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
請剛剛幾位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
7457.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
7459.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
學者專家的說明都很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
7460.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
7462.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
這是一個技術的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
7463.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
7465.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
這些技術我們是不是都成熟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
7465.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
7467.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
我們有很多還是不成熟的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
7468.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
7470.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
所以啊我個人呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
7470.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
7472.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
是認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
7471.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
7473.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
就立法方面啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
7473.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
7475.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
他咧應該是一個暫行條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
7477.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
7479.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
因為他有時間的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
7479.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
7481.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
只到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
7481.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
7483.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
120 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
7483.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
7485.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
120年嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
7485.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
7487.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
所以有一個時間應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
7487.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
7489.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
像我們過去啊特別預算的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
7489.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
7491.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
定乎都是要暫行條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
7491.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
7493.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
沒有什麼特別條例的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
7493.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
7495.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
這是一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
7494.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
7496.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
再來我想進一步要說明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
7497.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
7499.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
就說這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
7501.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
7503.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
政府也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
7502.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
7504.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
執政黨方面都是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
7504.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
7506.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
認為他是要促進產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
7506.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
7508.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
剛剛啊我們學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
7508.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
7510.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
也都有這樣一個共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
7511.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
7513.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
促進無人載具的產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
7513.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
7515.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
這是大家共同期待的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
7517 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
7519 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
但是各位有沒有想到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
7519.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
7521.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
我們過去促進產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
7521.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
7523.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
特別條例嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
7522.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
7524.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
有訂特畢預算嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
7524.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
7526.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
沒有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
7525.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
7527.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
那現在有需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
7527.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
7529.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
那是需要真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
7529.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
7531.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
要用特別預算還是連續預算比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
7532.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
7534.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
我個人是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
7534.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
7536.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
單單一個七個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
7537.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
7539.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
要來啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
7538.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
7540.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
來鼓勵啊產業發展啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
7540.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
7542.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
這是啊不可能的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
7543.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
7545.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
所以說呢如果真的有心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
7546.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
7548.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
要承諾剛剛中委員所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
7548.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
7550.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
條文要寫得更清楚一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
7550.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
7552.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
要把鼓勵產業啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
7552.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
7554.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
要寫進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
7554.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
7556.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
不是寫一個七個條文啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
7556.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
7558.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
我研究這個台灣的立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
7558.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
7560.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
幾十年啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
7560.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
7562.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
看到我都覺得好笑啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
7562.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
7564.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
那就特別預算條例就好了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
7564.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
7566.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
何必寫得那麼長呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
7568.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
7570.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
所以說我認為從產業的發展來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
7570.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
7572.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
那我們就要分為兩方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
7574.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
7576.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
一個是金用的無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
7577.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
7579.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
還有灰金用的無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
7579.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
7581.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
那現在國王務首 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
7583.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
7585.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
主政的這一個部位咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
7585.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
7587.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
當然他是比較傾向於啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
7587.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
7589.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
7588.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
7590.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
金用載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
7590.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
7592.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
但是剛剛啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
7592.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
7594.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
我們也聽到了幾位學者專家的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
7596.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
7598.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
金用載具的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
7599.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
7601.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
並不是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
7601.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
7603.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
單單把那個無人載送出去就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
7603.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
7605.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
他還要放炸彈啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
7605.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
7607.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
他可能還要放別的東西啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
7607.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
7609.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
這個技術上的問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
7609.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
7611.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
可能是個大問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
7610.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
7612.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
而且呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
7612.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
7614.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
都一定要用晶片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
7614.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
7616.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
那麼晶片的發展日新月異 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
7618.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
7620.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
如果你變特別預算的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
7620.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
7622.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
那麼五連下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
7622.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
7624.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
除了剛剛我們黃理事長所提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
7624.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
7626.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
就框住了怎麼辦咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
7626.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
7628.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
所以我是比較傾向於啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
7628.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
7630.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
年度預算來邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
7630.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
7632.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
來喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
7632.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
7634.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
隨著 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
7633.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
7635.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
科技的進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
7635.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
7637.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
可以啊做適當的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
7638.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
7640.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
我們也不一定能剩下四百億啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
7640.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
7642.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
也許說不定以後扣進 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
7643.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
7645.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
發展呢又更便宜也可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
7645.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
7647.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
當然也有可能更貴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
7647.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
7649.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
所以說咧這樣的一個情況啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
7649.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
7651.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
可能更活需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
7652.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
7654.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
再來一點啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
7654.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
7656.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
也可以真的是把這個非金用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
7656.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
7658.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
這個產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
7658.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
7660.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
把它發展起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
7660.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
7662.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
我想這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
7662.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
7664.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
過去在強調說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
7664.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
7666.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
我們有這個戶口神山 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
7666.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
7668.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
我們希望無人載具啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
7668.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
7670.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
是未來的戶口神山啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
7670.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
7672.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
那當然就不可能是金用部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
7672.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
7674.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
7674.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
7676.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
要包括非金用的商用的才有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
7676.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
7678.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
所以說在這個情況之下咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
7679.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
7681.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
我是覺得啊這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
7681.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
7683.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
特別條例啊應該啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
7684.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
7686.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
如果真的要通過的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
7686.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
7688.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
要做大修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
7688.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
7690.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
因為顯然啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
7690.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
7692.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
他是不能夠啊滿足啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
7692.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
7694.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
他原來有規定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
7695.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
7697.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
國民黨民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
7697.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
7699.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
所提的版本啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
7699.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
7701.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
至少咧還寫了23條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
7701.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
7703.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
20幾條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
7703.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
7705.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
還比較多元一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
7705.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
7707.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
所以我是覺得啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
7707.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
7709.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
這方面啊我們啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
7709.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
7711.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
朝偉之間啊要以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
7711.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
7713.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
國家唱聲為列啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
7713.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
7715.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
要以整個產業發展來考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
7717.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
7719.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
而不是說我通過就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
7719.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
7721.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
通過最後不可行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
7721.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
7723.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
通過最後咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
7723.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
7725.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
可能啊還要大修改 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
7725.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
7727.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
那不是百非一常嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
7727.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
7729.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
所以我是建議啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
7729.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
7731.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
7730.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
7732.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
這個條例要通過啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
7732.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
7734.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
卡路斯尼哥 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
7734.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
7736.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
艱難的工程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
7736.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
7738.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
而確實啊必須要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
7738.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
7740.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
做大一個修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
7741.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
7743.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
那麼再來一點啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
7743.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
7745.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
就是說剛剛提到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
7746.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
7748.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
載具的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
7747.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
7749.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
那麼因為科技的發展咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
7750.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
7752.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
是相當的進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
7752.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
7754.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
而且是入行業餘啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
7754.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
7756.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
所以怎麼樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
7756.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
7758.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
使這個相關財 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
7758.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
7760.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
相關部會啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
7759.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
7761.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
扮演中文角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
7761.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
7763.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
我們看到相關的資料裡面啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
7763.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
7765.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
好像是教中部啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
7765.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
7767.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
或是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
7768.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
7770.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
市委發展部啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
7770.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
7772.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
他們有一些能力可以處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
7772.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
7774.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
但是他做的是可能啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
7774.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
7776.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
是無人載具的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
7776.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
7778.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
把他送出去而已的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
7778.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
7780.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
的一個能力的一個檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
7780.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
7782.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
真正對於啊他掛什麼東西啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
7782.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
7784.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
他做什麼使用啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
7784.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
7786.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
這可能尤其是經營用方面啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
7787.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
7789.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
我們這一次的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
7790.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
7792.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
沒有辦法扮演中文角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
7792.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
7794.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
所以我覺得咧國防部咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
7794.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
7796.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
在這方面啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
7796.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
7798.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
應該要扮演中文角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
7798.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
7800.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
這個如果是經用載具的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
7801.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
7803.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
不是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
7803.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
7805.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
個人的一個了解就可以完成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
7805.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
7807.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
他有很多的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
7807.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
7809.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
以及啊國外的技術的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
7809.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
7811.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
殘酌啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
7811.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
7813.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
我覺得這方面可能是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
7813.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
7815.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
現在相關單位啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
7815.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
7817.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
所報告裡面啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
7817.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
7819.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
有很多不足的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
7818.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
7820.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
當然啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
7819.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
7821.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
也有一些學者提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
7822.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
7824.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
學者都在提到啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
7824.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
7826.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
說我們這個產協活作的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
7827.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
7829.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
那麼產協活作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
7829.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
7831.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
有兩種方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
7830.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
7832.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
一個是在國內的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
7832.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
7834.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
學術界來合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
7834.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
7836.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
一個是在國外的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
7836.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
7838.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
我倒覺得啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
7837.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
7839.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
7840.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
7842.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
這麼樣的一個科技發展啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
7843.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
7845.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
為了我們國內的學術界啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
7845.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
7847.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
有更重要的一個發展機會啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
7848.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
7850.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
應該要教育部啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
7850.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
7852.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
也要扮演一個角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
7852.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
7854.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
教育部啊怎麼樣能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
7854.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
7856.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
和我們相關單位啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
7857.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
7859.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
來配合使這個產協活作啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
7859.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
7861.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
真的揍揍起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
7862.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
7864.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
因為啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
7863.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
7865.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
7865.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
7867.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
7868.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
7870.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
並不是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
7869.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
7871.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
使用在經用方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
7872 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
7874 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
在飛機用方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
7874.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
7876.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
7875.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
7877.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
更扮演的未來可能更重要角色的時候啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
7877.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
7879.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
教育部啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
7880.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
7882.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
就應該來這個從 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
7882.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
7884.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
甚至於從小學中學大學 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
7884.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
7886.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
都有相關的課程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
7886.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
7888.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
使大家對這個方面的知識 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
7888.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
7890.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
能夠具備 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
7890.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
7892.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
而不是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
7892.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
7894.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
一想到無人載具就想到戰爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
7894.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
7896.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
各位了解無人載具最重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
7896.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
7898.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
不是在做要用戰爭的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
7898.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
7900.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
現在是因為大家看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
7900.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
7902.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
這個戰爭使用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
7902.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
7904.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
7904.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
7906.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
事實上我們國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
7906.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
7908.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
早就在用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
7908.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
7910.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
使用無人載具了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
7910.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
7912.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
那我在內政部服務的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
7912.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
7914.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
那就有在使用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
7914.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
7916.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
內政部當時就有在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
7916.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
7918.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
有購置這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
7918.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
7920.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
也有回到大學也有買 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
7920.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
7922.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
所以說呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
7922.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
7924.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
這方面如果我們都能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
7924.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
7926.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
從一個比較更廣泛的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
7926.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
7928.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
真的是為了台灣的產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
7929.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
7931.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
來思考的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
7931.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
7933.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
我覺得現在這個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
7933.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
7935.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
應該啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
7934.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
7936.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
做更廣泛的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
7936.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
7938.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
同時呢我是建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
7938.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
7940.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
用年度預算來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
7940.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
7942.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
編列這樣的一個方式進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
7942.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
7944.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
謝謝各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
7945.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
7947.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
好謝謝季俊仁教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
7947.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
7949.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
陳萌教授問起 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
7949.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
7951.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
特別說明剛剛說到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
7951.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
7953.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
因為各位與會手上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
7953.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
7955.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
有的資料是只有四個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
7955.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
7957.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
那剛剛主席這邊有說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
7957.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
7959.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
到昨天已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
7959.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
7961.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
通過富裕期交付本委員會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
7961.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
7963.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
還有九個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
7963.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
7965.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
那在我手上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
7965.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
7967.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
那由於呢在目前的網路上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
7967.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
7969.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
在立法院已經有公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
7969.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
7971.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
不過可能不好找 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
7971.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
7973.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
那公報科呢會在明天之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
7973.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
7975.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
才會印成這樣報紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
7975.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
7977.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
彰型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
7977.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
7979.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
那目前我手上有的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
7979.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
7981.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
我們電腦列印的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
7981.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
7983.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
由經濟委員提供的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
7983.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
7985.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
那季委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
7985.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
7987.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
季老師關心到的本席的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
7987.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
7989.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
是11022539號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
7991.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
7993.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
條文內容一共有18條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
7993.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
7995.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
不是只有7條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
7995.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
7997.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
那包含了很多產業輔導的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
7997.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
7999.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
也歡迎我們各位學者專家指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
7999.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
8001.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
那接下來我們就有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
8001.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
8003.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
李剛李教授請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
8011.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
8013.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
主席還有在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
8013.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
8015.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
各位學者專家還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
8015.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
8017.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
各部會代表還有包括線上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
8018.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
8020.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
場觀學員的先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
8020.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
8022.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
8021.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
8023.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
我是台大無人載具研發設計中心的主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
8023.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
8025.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
我是第二任的主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
8025.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
8027.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
李剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
8027.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
8029.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
那我在我們五六年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
8029.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
8031.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
台大有三個學院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
8031.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
8033.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
共同支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
8033.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
8035.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].text |
就是成立這個學院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
8035.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
8037.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
那包括電子學院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
8037.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
8039.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
工學院跟森榮學院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
8039.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
8041.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
那成如前面幾位學者提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
8041.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
8043.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
其實無人載具的應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
8043.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
8045.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
我們現在指的是Odomen |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
8045.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
8047.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
海陸空水上水下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
8047.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
8049.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
甚至陸上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
8049.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
8051.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
我們看到室內室外的無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
8051.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
8053.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
有各種樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
8053.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
8055.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
那這個無人載具的時代我們可以說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
8055.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
8057.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
Autonomous machine的時代才剛剛開始 |
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但是今天我們要討論的主要主題是跟國防相關 |
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我這邊也收集了大概我們中心學者 |
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專家還有業界 |
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還有包括我們海外的一些 |
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包括院士的一些建議 |
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我們也希望說朝野能夠針對這個國防安全 |
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我們這個進軍 |
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這個國安這個議題 |
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是不能夠等待的 |
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那我們也不希望在 |
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這整個轉型的過程 |
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我們可以把這個無人載具 |
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在戰場上應用 |
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也可以當作是一個數位轉型 |
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那我個人在二十多年前 |
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在美國另一個研究所的時候 |
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其實我們的實驗室就已經跟美國軍方合作 |
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當時包括美國海軍的Hunting Project |
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就是在做我們現在講的這個風群戰術 |
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那這個可以看得到就是說 |
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在像美國這樣的一些比較軍工產業完整的國家 |
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其實它有一些條件 |
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它能夠讓學術界跟產業界能夠合作 |
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然後把一些戰術戰略 |
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甚至基本的一些model能夠很早就開始建立 |
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但是我們現在面對的問題 |
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是非常嚴肅很嚴峻 |
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因為兩年多前 |
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我在美國的軍事戰略上 |
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讓我到五角大下去 |
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進一步跟他們就我們的科技產業 |
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還有我們整個台灣 |
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包括現在所處在的這個 |
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第一島鏈的情況 |
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我們做一些交換意見 |
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當然美方最重視就是台灣的高科技 |
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包括AI晶片供電 |
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因為現在台灣 |
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我們的台積電是戶口生產 |
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但是整個上中下游產業 |
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產業鏈非常的大 |
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大概上千家 |
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所以我們現在的產業鏈 |
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產業鏈非常的大 |
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大概上千家的公司 |
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要移轉這供電到海外 |
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這個其實已經是一個趨勢 |
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也就是台灣要面臨一個問題 |
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就是我們怎麼樣把我們的製造力 |
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延伸到 |
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包括美國日本歐洲或是所謂 |
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民主的盟邦 |
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我們要建立民主供電 |
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特別是我們現在提的是 |
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due use |
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可以做軍用也可以做成民用 |
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可以做農業做工業做各種應用 |
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這個是台灣絕對可以跟國際上 |
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民主盟邦做的 |
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一個大開大合的一個 |
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新的產業可以是新的造園產業 |
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所以我可以大膽的說其實現在 |
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國防不明的問題跟 |
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經濟部其實我覺得 |
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現在朝野在提的版本 |
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其實都有優點跟缺點 |
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那我建議如果是能夠採用 |
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雙軌的方式 |
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也就是科技發展產業發展 |
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最好是由經濟部 |
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跟其他比如說國科會其他相關 |
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經濟部會一起合作 |
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戰力的這個建立 |
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怎麼樣建軍備戰 |
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怎麼樣導入無人載具 |
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來在我們的這個 |
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陸海空甚至水上水下 |
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有形成有效嚇阻的 |
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這個力量這個應該是由 |
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國防部來主導但是國防部 |
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怎麼跟其他部位合作 |
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坦白講我們國家 |
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推動無人機到現在已經不是 |
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兩年三年從小英時代就開始 |
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目前我沒有看到很清楚 |
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部會之間怎麼協同 |
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合作其實我有看到中嘉濱 |
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委員提的版本其實是希望 |
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在行政院成績 |
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也能夠有一個跨部會協調 |
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的一個機制也就是在行政 |
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會成立一個無人載具的一個委員會 |
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那這委員會基本上 |
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也是在督導同時做資源 |
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的一個整合做互補 |
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怎麼樣循序漸進把國軍 |
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所需要的這個建制 |
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的這個嚇阻的這個 |
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不對稱作戰的能力 |
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能量能夠建立大家 |
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要知道對照現在 |
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戰爭或是伊朗跟美國的戰爭 |
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你可以看到不對稱的 |
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作戰其實就不對稱的經濟消耗 |
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戰坦白講美國 |
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現在自己都發現 |
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他本國製造的無人 |
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8286.75 |
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載具都太昂貴了所以美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
8286.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
8288.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].text |
現在有一個戰爭部在推動 |
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8288.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].end |
8290.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].text |
的所謂的Dron Dominus |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
8290.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
8292.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
他其實是有條件把 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
8292.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
8294.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
這個廠商的做選商從 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
8294.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
8296.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
25家賽到11家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
8296.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
8298.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
接下來賽到5家他已經把 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].start |
8298.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].end |
8300.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].text |
他最終的目標價格都已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
8301.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
8303.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
已經訂出來了就大概在3000 |
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8303.2 |
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8305.2 |
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到5000美金但是像量 |
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8305.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
8307.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
質型態的狀其實是比較 |
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8307.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
8309.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
屬於中小型比較是 |
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8309.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
8311.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
屬於可能是基層連隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
8311.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].end |
8313.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].text |
在用還沒有到戰術層級的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
8313.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].end |
8315.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].text |
所以就是說要分級分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
8315.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
8317.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].text |
我們要推動所謂去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].start |
8317.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].end |
8319.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].text |
紅宮面其實也要分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
8319.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].end |
8321.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
分級坦白講目前我沒有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
8321.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
8323.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
我們中央有一個很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
8323.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
8325.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].text |
的戰略藍圖到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
8325.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].end |
8327.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].text |
哪一些零件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
8327.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
8329.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
模組到系統吃系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
8330.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
8332.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
並不是全部電子業這也要提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].start |
8332.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].end |
8334.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].text |
經濟部我聽過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].start |
8334.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].end |
8336.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].text |
好幾次說我們的長官說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].start |
8336.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].end |
8338.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].text |
無人機產業就是電子也是上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].start |
8338.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].end |
8340.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].text |
我有非常大的Question Mark |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].start |
8340.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].end |
8342.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
無人機從低空中高空 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].start |
8342.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].end |
8344.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].text |
高高空到平流成無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].start |
8344.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].end |
8346.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].text |
甚至到外太空其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].start |
8346.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].end |
8348.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].text |
也是一種無人機現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].start |
8348.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].end |
8350.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].text |
美美國跟中國甚至日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].start |
8350.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].end |
8352.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].text |
其實都積極發展太空 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].start |
8352.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].end |
8354.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].text |
好這個戰略所以我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].start |
8354.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].end |
8356.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].text |
臺灣最重要是從供應鏈怎麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].start |
8356.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].end |
8358.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].text |
從民主供應鏈切入當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].start |
8358.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].end |
8360.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].text |
除了經電以外我認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].start |
8360.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].end |
8362.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].text |
其實臺灣還有很好的是我們的中南部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].start |
8362.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].end |
8364.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].text |
傳產製造業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].start |
8364.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].end |
8366.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].text |
我們也跟中南部的傳產 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].start |
8366.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].end |
8368.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].text |
交流其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].start |
8368.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].end |
8370.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].text |
美國也很缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].start |
8370.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].end |
8372.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].text |
因為美國的製造業出走已經40年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
8372.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].end |
8374.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].text |
甚至可以跟各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].start |
8374.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].end |
8376.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].text |
美國已經40年沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].start |
8376.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].end |
8378.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].text |
生產500cc以下的引擎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
8378.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].end |
8380.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].text |
但是各位知道伊朗現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].start |
8380.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].end |
8382.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].text |
用一台3萬到2萬美金的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].start |
8382.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].end |
8384.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].text |
小海無人機它需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
8384.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].end |
8386.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].text |
就是這個充壓引擎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
8386.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].end |
8388.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
俄羅斯跟烏克蘭也是他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].start |
8388.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].end |
8390.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].text |
這個小海這樣子形式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
8390.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].end |
8392.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
無人機可以飛到1500公里 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
8393.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].end |
8395.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
但是其實臺灣已經有廠商在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
8395.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].end |
8397.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].text |
生產製造但是他們缺的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
8397.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].end |
8399.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].text |
整合因為臺灣的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
8399.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].end |
8401.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].text |
只會做充壓件鑄造 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
8402.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].end |
8404.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].text |
他沒有辦法做什麼EFI |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
8404.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].end |
8406.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
做電子噴油控制零組件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
8406.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].end |
8408.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
那我們的能力做不到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
8408.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].end |
8410.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].text |
事實上做到但是我們的電子大廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
8410.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
8412.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
不願意投入當然除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
8412.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
8414.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
一個是他們看不到有一個長期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
8414.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
8416.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
可以有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
8416.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
8418.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].text |
一個量產當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
8418.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].end |
8420.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].text |
他們看到的是甚至還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
8420.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].end |
8422.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
對岸的施壓所以我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
8422.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].end |
8424.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
電子5個6個目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
8424.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
8426.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
AI產業非常蓬勃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
8426.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
8428.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
發展其實因為政治因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
8428.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
8430.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
他不敢跳到臺前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
8430.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
8432.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
所以我建議各位就說我們應該要有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
8432.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
8434.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
戰略的思維那一起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
8434.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
8436.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
推動這個所謂的Dual Use |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
8436.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
8438.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
8438.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].end |
8440.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
Odomain的Omnain的Veicle的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
8440.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
8442.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
一個產業那我們另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
8442.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
8444.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
針對這個學者專家或是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
8444.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].end |
8446.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
海內外人才我建議剛剛也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
8446.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].end |
8448.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
提到這個安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
8448.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
8450.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
的問題因為我們臺灣必須變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
8450.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
8452.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
是國際民主盟邦可信賴的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
8452.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
8454.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
的一個夥伴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
8454.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
8456.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
我們是可以Trust的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
8456.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
8458.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
我建議國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
8458.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
8460.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
不要用一刀切的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
8460.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
8462.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
不要因為說你這是海外的院士 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
8462.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
8464.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
所以你不讓他進來事實上我們中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
8464.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
8466.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
也找了兩位在美國參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
8466.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].end |
8468.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
美國無人機標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
8468.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
8470.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
制定的學者包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
8470.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
8472.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
院士但是他們就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
8472.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
8474.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
我們中科院這邊過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
8474.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
8476.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
也不歡迎他們因為他們有美國級 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
8476.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
8478.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
所以我們應該學美國用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
8478.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
8480.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
Security clearance分級的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
8480.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
8482.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
來做另外在我們提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
8482.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
8484.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
現在各 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
8484.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
8486.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
黨派當然都同意我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
8486.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
8488.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
我們也需要無人載具我們也需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
8488.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
8490.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
有國防現在不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
8490.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
8492.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
買不買的問題是怎麼執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
8492.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
8494.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
的問題所以我剛剛提到我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
8494.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
8496.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
應該考慮比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
8496.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
8498.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
膽建議是把特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
8498.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
8500.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
採購預算跟我們要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
8500.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
8502.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
做中長期國際化科技發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
8502.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
8504.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
的一般的年度預算應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
8504.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
8506.08 |
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要並行那我們應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
8506.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
8508.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
成立一個跨黨派的無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
8508.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
8510.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
的國家發展的監督委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
8510.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
8512.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
這裡面包含納入軍方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
8512.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
8514.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
的背景可能是現役可能是退役 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
8514.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
8516.08 |
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有產業界專家還有學界 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
8516.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
8518.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
那每年一起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
8518.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
8520.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
針對這個這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
8520.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
8522.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
目前的發展的進度成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
8522.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
8524.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
來進行討論跟檢視 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
8524.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
8526.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
同時應該制定一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
8526.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
8528.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
中長期十到二十年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
8528.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
8530.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
國家的戰略藍圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
8530.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
8532.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
因為大家要知道過去台灣從PC產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
8532.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
8534.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
到智慧手機產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
8534.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
8536.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
其實過去台灣也有機車 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
8536.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
8538.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
王國的這樣的美譽甚至 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
8538.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
8540.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
各位知道嗎台灣的摩托車 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
8540.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
8542.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
現在在歐洲現在是稱霸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
8542.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
8544.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
比義大利做的還要好這裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
8544.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
8546.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
我們看到無人載具也是需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
8546.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
8548.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
動力系統不是只有AI就可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
8548.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
8550.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
事實上整個台灣應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
8550.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
8552.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
是一個company台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
8552.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
8554.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
不只是只有嘉義台南 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
8554.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
8556.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
做無人載具事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].start |
8556.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
8558.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
高雄也可以做無人船屏東也可以做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
8558.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
8560.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
無人船水上水下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].start |
8560.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
8562.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
我們中部的機密機械 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
8562.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
8564.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].text |
加工製造其實這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
8564.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
8566.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
能量是我們過去兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
8566.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
8568.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
都還跟美方包括美國的許多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
8568.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
8570.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
新創公司合作我發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
8570.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
8572.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
美國的新創公司最大的痛點是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
8572.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
8574.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
他們不懂量產 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
8574.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
8576.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
他們沒有Mass production的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
8576.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
8578.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].text |
沒有工廠經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
8578.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
8580.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].text |
他們的CEO很多是什麼LIT的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
8580.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
8582.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
PhD也有大學教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
8582.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
8584.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].text |
他跟我說他沒有帶過工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].start |
8584.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
8586.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
所以design manufacturing是他們不會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
8586.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
8588.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].text |
反而是我們找到台灣的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
8588.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
8590.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
業界專家來協助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
8590.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
8592.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
把量產性做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
8592.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
8594.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
因為現在美國的建軍備戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
8594.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
8596.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
現在針對無人載具也是要模組化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
8596.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
8598.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
而且做到可準消耗品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
8599.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
8601.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
也就是要不斷的做迭代 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
8601.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
8603.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
但是他們也希望說能夠納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
8603.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
8605.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
更多的supply chain不是只有美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
8605.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
8607.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
因為美國本土的製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
8607.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
8609.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
沒有辦法滿足他自己的需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
8609.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
8611.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
還有他賣給盟邦的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
8611.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
8613.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
這個OCC系統這樣的供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
8613.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
8615.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
以上跟各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
8617.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
8621.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
好非常謝謝李剛教授的精彩的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
8621.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
8623.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
因為我們人數眾多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
8623.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
8625.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
我們不採取正式的休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
8625.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
8627.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
如果與會的列席機關代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
8627.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].end |
8629.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
需要有身體需求就自己去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].start |
8629.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
8631.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
那我們接下來有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
8631.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
8633.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
第九位的李東森總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
8633.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
8635.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].text |
洪森科技請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
8652.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
8654.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
8654.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
8656.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
謝謝各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
8656.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
8658.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
今天的時間以及各位先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
8658.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
8660.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
大家好我是洪森科技總經理李東森 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
8660.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
8662.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
那我們公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
8662.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
8664.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
主要是做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
8664.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
8666.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
無人載具的電源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
8666.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
8668.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
電池充電器這一類 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].start |
8668.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].end |
8670.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].text |
的一些產品開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
8671.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].end |
8673.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].text |
那關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
8673.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].end |
8675.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].text |
我們今天所提到的這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
8675.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].end |
8677.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
我們大概猜四個部分來提 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].start |
8677.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].end |
8679.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].text |
一個是研發部分的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].start |
8679.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].end |
8681.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].text |
一些補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].start |
8681.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].end |
8683.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].text |
然後第二個部分是關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].start |
8683.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].end |
8685.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].text |
我們的認證上面的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].start |
8685.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].end |
8687.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].text |
第三個是市場的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].start |
8687.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].end |
8689.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].text |
第四個是我們後面怎麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].start |
8689.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].end |
8691.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].text |
一些其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].start |
8691.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].end |
8693.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].text |
在人才跟風險上的配套 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].start |
8693.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].end |
8695.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].text |
我大概分這四點來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].start |
8695.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].end |
8697.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].text |
第一點就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].start |
8697.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].end |
8699.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].text |
因為其實在我們一些預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].start |
8699.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].end |
8701.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].text |
執行的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].start |
8701.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].end |
8703.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].text |
我們公司屬於中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].start |
8703.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].end |
8705.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].text |
那其實在一個產業在發展的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].start |
8705.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].end |
8707.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].text |
前期我們需要很大量的資金的投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].start |
8707.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].end |
8709.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].text |
但是投入完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].start |
8709.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].end |
8711.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].text |
就如同 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].start |
8711.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].end |
8713.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].text |
之前的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].start |
8713.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].end |
8715.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].text |
委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].start |
8715.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].end |
8717.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].text |
就是說我們產品開發好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].start |
8717.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].end |
8719.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].text |
到量產 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
8719.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].end |
8721.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].text |
它會需要一個穩定的訂單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
8721.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].end |
8723.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].text |
所以前面要比較大金額投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].start |
8723.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].end |
8725.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].text |
到後面是需要一個穩定訂單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].start |
8725.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].end |
8727.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].text |
所以我們在預算上的部分的編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].start |
8727.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].end |
8729.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].text |
可能是前面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].start |
8729.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].end |
8731.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].text |
就要有個計劃性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
8731.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].end |
8733.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].text |
做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
8733.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].end |
8735.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].text |
因為對企業來講我們會更需要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
8735.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].end |
8737.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].text |
一個可預期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].start |
8737.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].end |
8739.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].text |
可預期的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].start |
8739.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
8741.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].text |
不管它是金額多的高或低 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
8741.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].end |
8743.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].text |
它必須是要可預期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].start |
8743.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].end |
8745.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].text |
因為這樣子我們在企業的投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
8745.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
8747.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
才會有一個計劃的執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
8750.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
8752.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
第二個部分就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
8752.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
8754.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
預算出來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
8754.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
8756.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].text |
在執行的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
8756.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
8758.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
比如說我們會去申請一些研發補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
8758.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
8760.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
在研發補助的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
8760.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
8762.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
我們以目前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
8762.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
8764.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
比如說像SBR或者是一些其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
8764.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
8766.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
一些計劃的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
8766.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
8768.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
核銷申報的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
8768.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
8770.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
我遇到的實際的情形就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
8770.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
8772.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
比如說它可能最高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
8772.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
8774.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
就是提供你50% |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
8774.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
8776.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].text |
的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
8777.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
8779.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].text |
補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
8779.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
8781.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
但實際上你真的拿到手的只剩30%或40% |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
8781.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
8783.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
那其實對於我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
8783.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
8785.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
一些開發的廠商來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
8785.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
8787.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
其實這個補助款對我們來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
8787.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
8789.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
其實並不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].start |
8789.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
8791.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].text |
那有時候我們會覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].start |
8791.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].end |
8793.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].text |
我花這麼多時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
8793.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
8795.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].text |
人力去申請這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].start |
8795.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].end |
8797.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].text |
我預期會是不是多接幾個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].start |
8797.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].end |
8799.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].text |
那這樣就有點失去了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].start |
8799.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].end |
8801.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].text |
預算執行落地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].start |
8801.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].end |
8803.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].text |
一個效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].start |
8804.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].end |
8806.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].text |
然後我想這 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].start |
8806.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].end |
8808.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].text |
部分還有另外一個點就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].start |
8808.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].end |
8810.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].text |
裡面有太多的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].start |
8810.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].end |
8812.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].text |
可查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].start |
8812.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].end |
8814.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].text |
那麼我們就這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].start |
8815.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].end |
8817.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].text |
就是可以申請的跟不能申請的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].start |
8817.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].end |
8819.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].text |
那有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].start |
8818.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].end |
8820.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].text |
有一些其實它是屬於研發類的開支 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].start |
8820.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].end |
8822.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].text |
但是沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].start |
8822.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].end |
8824.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].text |
被編列進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].start |
8824.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].end |
8826.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].text |
那有一些東西會變成說我實際上執行的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].start |
8826.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].end |
8828.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].text |
可以真正獲得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].start |
8828.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].end |
8830.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].text |
我在開發過程中我實際上可以獲得的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].start |
8830.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].end |
8832.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].text |
其實比想像中的又更少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].start |
8833.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].end |
8835.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].text |
那第三個部分我想提的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].start |
8835.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].end |
8837.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].text |
我們實際上在執行這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].start |
8840.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].end |
8842.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].text |
計畫補助申請的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].start |
8842.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].end |
8844.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].text |
會遇到一個情形就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].start |
8844.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].end |
8846.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].text |
因為審查委員基本上都是大學的教授居多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].start |
8846.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].end |
8848.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].text |
那當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].start |
8848.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].end |
8850.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].text |
給予的一些方向跟建議很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].start |
8850.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].end |
8852.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].text |
但是有時候我們產業所需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].start |
8852.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].end |
8854.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].text |
發展的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].start |
8854.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].end |
8856.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].text |
它比較偏向市場面的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].start |
8856.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].end |
8858.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].text |
不見得一定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].start |
8858.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].end |
8860.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].text |
特別像是有點像類似在寫論文的方式去進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].start |
8863.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].end |
8865.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].text |
或許他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].start |
8865.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].end |
8867.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].text |
這種技術創新性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].start |
8867.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].end |
8869.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].text |
不見得是完全是符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].start |
8869.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].end |
8871.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].text |
寫一個碩士論文的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].start |
8871.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].end |
8873.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].text |
或博士論文的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].start |
8873.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].end |
8875.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].text |
但是他卻是市場所需要的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].start |
8875.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].end |
8877.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].text |
那我會覺得說有時候我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].start |
8877.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].end |
8879.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].text |
進行這部分的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].start |
8879.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].end |
8881.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].text |
一些申請的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].start |
8881.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].end |
8883.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].text |
會遇到一些這樣的一個挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].start |
8884.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].end |
8886.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].text |
然後變成說其實新創企業想要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].start |
8886.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].end |
8888.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].text |
獲得這些補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].start |
8888.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].end |
8890.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].text |
其實意願會降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].start |
8891.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].end |
8893.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].text |
好,那這是第一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].start |
8893.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].end |
8895.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].text |
第二個部分就是說我們在實際上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].start |
8895.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].end |
8897.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].text |
產品,比如說我們電池 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].start |
8897.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].end |
8899.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].text |
我們電池有一個認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].start |
8899.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].end |
8901.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].text |
叫62133 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].start |
8901.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].end |
8903.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].text |
那這個認證其實是在地面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].start |
8903.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].end |
8905.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].text |
或者是一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].start |
8905.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].end |
8907.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].text |
其他宅宅具類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].start |
8907.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].end |
8909.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].text |
認證會比較適合,但是在無人機上面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].start |
8909.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].end |
8911.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].text |
他某些特別的應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].start |
8911.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].end |
8913.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].text |
其實不見得這麼適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].start |
8913.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].end |
8915.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].text |
我想也許水上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].start |
8915.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].end |
8917.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].text |
的設備不曉得有沒有這樣的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].start |
8917.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].end |
8919.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].text |
就是他其實是不能停機的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].start |
8919.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].end |
8921.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].text |
再怎麼樣狀況都不能停機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].start |
8921.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].end |
8923.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].text |
但是因為受到法規的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].start |
8923.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].end |
8925.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].text |
限制,你要去申請這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].start |
8925.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].end |
8927.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].text |
那實際上就遇到另外一個困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].start |
8927.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].end |
8929.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].text |
就是這不是我要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].start |
8929.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].end |
8931.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].text |
可是我又得申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].start |
8931.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].end |
8933.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].text |
那你就要花這筆錢,那花這筆錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].start |
8933.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].end |
8935.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].text |
實際上客人也不見得要,但是就是法規要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].start |
8935.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].end |
8937.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].text |
那就變成做一個表面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].start |
8939.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].end |
8941.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].text |
那我覺得這樣就有點失去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].start |
8941.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].end |
8943.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].text |
這個做產品適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].start |
8943.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].end |
8945.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].text |
因為我們申請認證一定是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].start |
8946.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].end |
8948.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].text |
認證是法規,法規一定要符合市場要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].start |
8948.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].end |
8950.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].text |
市場不要的東西的時候認證存在的必要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].start |
8950.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].end |
8952.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].text |
是什麼,所以我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].start |
8952.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].end |
8954.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].text |
這個可能需要有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].start |
8954.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].end |
8956.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].text |
更好的一個配套的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].start |
8956.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].end |
8958.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].text |
來符合這些宅具類 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].start |
8958.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].end |
8960.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].text |
無人宅具類所需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].start |
8961.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].end |
8963.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].text |
所需要符合的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].start |
8963.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].end |
8965.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].text |
認證跟標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].start |
8965.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].end |
8967.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].text |
因為畢竟他無人嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].start |
8968.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].end |
8970.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].text |
他沒有要載人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].start |
8970.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].end |
8972.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].text |
那他所遇到的困難就會是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].start |
8972.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].end |
8974.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].text |
跟一般的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].start |
8974.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].end |
8976.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].text |
其他宅具類的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].start |
8976.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].end |
8978.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].text |
是不一樣的,這是第二點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].start |
8979.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].end |
8981.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].text |
第三點的部分我想提到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].start |
8981.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].end |
8983.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].text |
在市場情銷上 |
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8983.91 |
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8985.91 |
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那其實我們可以看到 |
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8985.91 |
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8987.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].text |
歷年來不管是GPS |
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8987.91 |
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8991.91 |
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或者是一些技術性的產品 |
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8991.91 |
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8993.91 |
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他都是從一剛開始從國防的市場 |
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8993.91 |
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8995.91 |
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慢慢走向民生 |
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8995.91 |
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8997.91 |
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慢慢走向商用,走向民生 |
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8998.76 |
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9000.76 |
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那其實以國防市場來講 |
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9000.76 |
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9002.76 |
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對我們業者的觀點是 |
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9002.76 |
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9004.76 |
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我不能代表所有 |
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9004.76 |
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9006.76 |
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業者,我的觀點是 |
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9006.76 |
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9008.76 |
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就是說 |
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9009.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].end |
9011.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].text |
有 |
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9011.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].end |
9013.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].text |
畢竟 |
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9014.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].end |
9016.34 |
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做一個無人機好了 |
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9016.34 |
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9018.34 |
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無人機你可能說好 |
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9018.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].end |
9020.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].text |
每個港口可能各擺個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].start |
9020.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].end |
9022.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].text |
十台二十台 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].start |
9022.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].end |
9024.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].text |
那你可能全台灣擺個一百台 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].start |
9024.34 |
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9026.34 |
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那就沒了,這市場就沒了 |
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9026.35 |
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9028.35 |
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因為必須要消耗,你消耗才會有需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].start |
9028.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].end |
9030.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].text |
那沒有消耗你可能買完就是買完 |
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9030.35 |
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9032.35 |
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就放在那 |
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9032.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].end |
9034.35 |
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那其實對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].start |
9034.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].end |
9036.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].text |
公平上來講 |
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9036.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].end |
9038.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].text |
那這個案子結束了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].start |
9037.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].end |
9039.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].text |
那如果是圖C或圖B的市場的話 |
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9039.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].end |
9041.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].text |
他可以擴展到更遠的地方 |
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9041.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].end |
9043.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].text |
因為我可以賣到其他國家 |
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9043.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].end |
9045.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].text |
或賣到其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].start |
9045.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].end |
9047.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].text |
各個領域的應用範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].start |
9047.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].end |
9049.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].text |
所以圖B跟圖C才是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].start |
9049.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].end |
9051.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].text |
未來我們主要的一個 |
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9051.35 |
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9053.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].text |
正常 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].start |
9052.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].end |
9058.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].text |
國防的市場是等於是我們在開發這些產品的一個前期 |
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9059.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].end |
9061.22 |
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另外一個應用 |
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9061.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].end |
9063.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].text |
就是說他是對國家的一個保護 |
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9067.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].end |
9069.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].text |
等於是 |
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9068.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].end |
9070.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].text |
帶著頭,然後讓這個產業成熟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].start |
9070.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].end |
9072.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].text |
然後慢慢導入圖C跟圖B的市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].start |
9075.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].end |
9077.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].text |
那這樣就會變成說好 |
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9077.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].end |
9079.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].text |
那圖B跟圖C的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].start |
9079.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].end |
9081.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].text |
的買家他會想到什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].start |
9081.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].end |
9083.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].text |
就是他會希望說,這東西是有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].start |
9084.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].end |
9086.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].text |
一個國家可以給一定的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].start |
9086.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].end |
9088.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].text |
比如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].start |
9088.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].end |
9090.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].text |
飯店業者他現在可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].start |
9090.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].end |
9092.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].text |
比較缺工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].start |
9092.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].end |
9094.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].text |
那我可能買一些無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].start |
9094.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].end |
9096.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].text |
那政府給一些補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].start |
9096.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].end |
9098.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].text |
增加他們這些業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].start |
9098.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].end |
9100.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].text |
的採購意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].start |
9100.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].end |
9102.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].text |
比如說有一些運輸業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].start |
9102.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].end |
9104.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].text |
他可能是島跟島之間的運輸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].start |
9104.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].end |
9106.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].text |
或者是山上到地面的運輸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].start |
9106.33 |
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9108.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].text |
那如果可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].start |
9108.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].end |
9110.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].text |
給政府的一些補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].start |
9110.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].end |
9112.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].text |
支持他們去採購這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].start |
9112.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].end |
9114.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].text |
載具裝置的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].start |
9115.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].end |
9117.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].start |
9116.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].end |
9118.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].text |
其實也間接帶動了說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].start |
9118.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].end |
9120.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].text |
我們這些廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].start |
9120.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].end |
9122.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].text |
可以預期的一些 |
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9122.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].end |
9124.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].text |
市場 |
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9124.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].end |
9126.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].start |
9124.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].end |
9126.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].text |
然後第三個部分就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].start |
9127.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].end |
9129.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].text |
路過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].start |
9128.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].end |
9130.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].text |
在於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].start |
9130.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].end |
9132.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].text |
國外的一些推廣,路通剛剛我所提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].start |
9132.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].end |
9134.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].text |
就是說因為現在國外一些推廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].start |
9134.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].end |
9136.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].text |
他也是以一個預算最高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].start |
9136.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].end |
9138.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].text |
50%來做一個上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].start |
9138.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].end |
9140.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].text |
那我覺得說,其實某些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].start |
9140.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].end |
9142.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].text |
項目你申請完 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].start |
9142.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].end |
9144.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].text |
扣一扣,其實你實際上拿到的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].start |
9144.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].end |
9146.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].text |
只剩30% |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].start |
9146.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].end |
9148.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].text |
那,對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].start |
9148.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].end |
9150.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].text |
我們對海外這些投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].start |
9150.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].end |
9152.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].text |
其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].start |
9151.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].end |
9153.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].text |
有一些幫助其實算是蠻有限的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].start |
9153.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].end |
9155.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].text |
對,所以是希望可以提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].start |
9155.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].end |
9157.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].text |
這樣的一個補助上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].start |
9157.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].end |
9159.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].text |
比如說像有些國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].start |
9159.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].end |
9161.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].text |
他可能不是50% |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].start |
9161.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].end |
9163.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].text |
他可能就是全額幫你support |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].start |
9164 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].end |
9166 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].text |
對,就是看政府這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].start |
9166 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].end |
9168 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].text |
能不能把這個50%上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].start |
9168 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].end |
9170 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].text |
把往上提高,可能60%、70% |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].start |
9170 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].end |
9172 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].text |
這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].start |
9172.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].end |
9174.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].text |
然後第四個部分我想提到就是一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].start |
9174.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].end |
9176.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].text |
風行的配套 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].start |
9176.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].end |
9178.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].text |
那既然一個無人機、一個載具的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].start |
9178.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].end |
9180.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].text |
他畢竟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].start |
9180.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].end |
9182.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].text |
他畢竟,第一個他本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].start |
9182.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].end |
9184.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].text |
金額單價 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].start |
9184 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].end |
9186 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].text |
第二個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].start |
9186 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].end |
9188 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].text |
既然有電池在裡面,而且他是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].start |
9188 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].end |
9190 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].text |
以後導入AI,他可能會有一些自主的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].start |
9190 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].end |
9192 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].text |
那是不是有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].start |
9192 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].end |
9194 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].text |
保險的機制要能搭配 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].start |
9194 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].end |
9196 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].text |
因為這些搭配呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].start |
9196 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].end |
9198 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].text |
可以降低一些他在操作上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].start |
9198 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].end |
9200 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].text |
的危險性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].start |
9200 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].end |
9202 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].text |
就好像你買汽車,你買汽車你一定會有汽車的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].start |
9202 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].end |
9204 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].text |
一些保險、強制險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].start |
9204 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].end |
9206 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].text |
那這些載具其實也不便宜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].start |
9206 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].end |
9208 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].text |
像紙保無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].start |
9208 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].end |
9210 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].text |
有很多飛手在使用的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].start |
9210 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].end |
9212 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].text |
他可能會發生意外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].start |
9212 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].end |
9214 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].text |
那這些東西是不是有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].start |
9214 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].end |
9216 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].text |
保險的機制來做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].start |
9216 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].end |
9218 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].text |
一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].start |
9218.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].end |
9220.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].text |
協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].start |
9220.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].end |
9222.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].text |
然後第四個部分就是提到人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].start |
9222.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].end |
9224.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].text |
人才的,因為現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].start |
9224.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].end |
9226.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].text |
半導體相當的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].start |
9226.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].end |
9228.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].text |
強大行,所以很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].start |
9228.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].end |
9230.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].text |
還沒有畢業的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].start |
9230.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].end |
9232.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].text |
基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].start |
9231.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].end |
9233.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].text |
就是會以半導體相關定義為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].start |
9234.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].end |
9236.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].text |
第一支援 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].start |
9236.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].end |
9238.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].text |
其實我們其他產業的人也會需要像這樣的人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].start |
9238.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].end |
9240.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].text |
那就是看政府這邊在人才的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].start |
9240.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].end |
9242.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].text |
這些培育或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].start |
9242.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].end |
9244.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].text |
對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].start |
9245.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].end |
9247.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].text |
我們業者在聘請這樣的人才的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].start |
9247.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].end |
9249.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].text |
能不能有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].start |
9249.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].end |
9251.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].text |
補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].start |
9251.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].end |
9253.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].text |
以上大概講,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].start |
9254.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].end |
9256.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].text |
好,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].start |
9256.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].end |
9258.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].text |
洪森科技呂總經理來自 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].start |
9258.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].end |
9260.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].text |
業界的新生,接下來我們請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].start |
9260.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].end |
9262.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].text |
台翔航太的呂總經理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].start |
9273.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].end |
9275.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].start |
9275.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].end |
9277.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].text |
主席各位委員各部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].start |
9277.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].end |
9279.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].text |
列席長官以及這個學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].start |
9279.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].end |
9281.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].text |
專家們,大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].start |
9282.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].end |
9284.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].text |
我今年上半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].start |
9284.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].end |
9286.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].text |
就出席第二場公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].start |
9286.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].end |
9288.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].text |
第一場也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].start |
9288.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].end |
9290.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].text |
台湾無人宅居相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].start |
9290.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].end |
9292.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].text |
一些修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].start |
9292.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].end |
9294.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].text |
那我簡單講一個小故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].start |
9294.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].end |
9296.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].text |
我前天就坐計程車 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].start |
9296.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].end |
9298.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].text |
這個計程車世紀大哥 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].start |
9298.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].end |
9300.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].text |
是我第三次坐到他的車 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].start |
9300.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].end |
9302.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].text |
然後每一次他都跟我談論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].start |
9302.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].end |
9304.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].text |
台灣無人機產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].start |
9304.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].end |
9306.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].text |
然後跟我分析這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].start |
9306.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].end |
9308.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].text |
中共解放軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].start |
9307.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].end |
9309.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].text |
他們的戰略戰術打法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].start |
9309.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].end |
9311.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].text |
所以我的意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].start |
9311.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].end |
9313.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].text |
這個無人機已經成為一個全民 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].start |
9313.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].end |
9315.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].text |
關注的產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].start |
9315.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].end |
9317.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].text |
所以希望我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].start |
9317.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].end |
9319.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].text |
這個無人機條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].start |
9319.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].end |
9321.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].text |
能夠儘速來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].start |
9321.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].end |
9323.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].text |
完成立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].start |
9323.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].end |
9325.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].text |
好,我簡單進入到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].start |
9325.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].end |
9327.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].text |
重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].start |
9327 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].end |
9329 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].text |
我們國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].start |
9329 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].end |
9331 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].text |
近期都在投入許多的資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].start |
9331 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].end |
9333 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].text |
發展無人宅居的相關技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].start |
9333 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].end |
9335 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].text |
那麼也 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].start |
9335 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].end |
9337 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].text |
已經陸續看到一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].start |
9337 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].end |
9339 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].text |
豐碩的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].start |
9339 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].end |
9341 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].text |
大家可以看到這個台灣無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].start |
9341 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].end |
9343 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].text |
整機的出口產值 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].start |
9343 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].end |
9345 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].text |
2024年大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].start |
9345 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].end |
9347 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].text |
441萬美金 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].start |
9347 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].end |
9349 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].text |
那從大幅一路 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].start |
9349 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].end |
9351 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].text |
成長到今年上半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].start |
9351 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].end |
9353 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].text |
大概2.1億美元 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].start |
9353 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].end |
9355 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].text |
那這兩年就成長了百倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].start |
9355 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].end |
9357 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].text |
所以後續政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].start |
9357 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].end |
9359 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].text |
應該要趁勝追擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].start |
9359 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].end |
9361 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].text |
循著這個正向成長的軌跡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].start |
9361 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].end |
9363 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].text |
要持續加碼資金投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].start |
9364.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].end |
9366.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].text |
那麼並且我們這個國際市場上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].start |
9366.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].end |
9368.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].text |
可以變成他們主要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].start |
9368.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].end |
9370.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].text |
安全的供應來源管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].start |
9370.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].end |
9372.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].text |
所以今天我就 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].start |
9372.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].end |
9374.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].text |
這個無人宅居的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].start |
9374.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].end |
9376.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].text |
條例呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].start |
9376.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].end |
9378.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].text |
幾個重點抽出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].start |
9378.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].end |
9380.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].text |
跟各位來報告說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].start |
9380.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].end |
9382.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].text |
那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].start |
9382.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].end |
9384.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].text |
相關的這個朝野 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].start |
9384.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].end |
9386.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].text |
還有政院的版本我大致都看過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].start |
9386.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].end |
9388.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].start |
9388.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].end |
9390.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].text |
簡單第一個重點就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].start |
9390.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].end |
9392.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].text |
國軍採購制度要如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].start |
9392.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].end |
9394.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].text |
因應這個技術跟戰場的變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].start |
9394.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].end |
9396.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].text |
那麼過去我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].start |
9396.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].end |
9398.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].text |
我們都是商規的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].start |
9398.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].end |
9400.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].text |
來籌獲軍用無人宅居的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].start |
9400.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].end |
9402.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].text |
已經可以證明到我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].start |
9402.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].end |
9404.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].text |
籌獲的制度跟產業開發的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].start |
9404.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].end |
9406.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].text |
這個節奏的對齊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].start |
9406.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].end |
9408.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].text |
國軍能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].start |
9408.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].end |
9410.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].text |
以最短的時間來取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].start |
9410.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].end |
9412.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].text |
可用的戰力那廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].start |
9412.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].end |
9414.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].text |
也能夠在這個訂單的支持下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].start |
9414.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].end |
9416.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].text |
持續的這個疊帶精進 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].start |
9416.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].end |
9418.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].text |
所以呢我要講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].start |
9418.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].end |
9420.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].text |
重點就是說我們下一個階段的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].start |
9420.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].end |
9422.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].text |
課題應該是要把這個成功的模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].start |
9422.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].end |
9424.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].text |
從個案的彈性提升到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].start |
9424.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].end |
9426.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].text |
制度的常態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].start |
9426.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].end |
9428.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].text |
所以我有四點的建議就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].start |
9428.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].end |
9430.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].text |
我們國軍應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].start |
9430.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].end |
9432.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].text |
要提出所需要的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].start |
9432.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].end |
9434.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].text |
任務能力性能指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].start |
9434.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].end |
9436.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].text |
跟這個作戰的這個情境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].start |
9436.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].end |
9438.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].text |
要跳脫傳統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].start |
9438.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].end |
9440.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].text |
綁定單一品項的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].start |
9440.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].end |
9442.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].text |
規格的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].start |
9442.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].end |
9444.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].text |
也就是說你要以任務能力的規格取代 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].start |
9444.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].end |
9446.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].text |
品項規格來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].start |
9446.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].end |
9448.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].text |
招標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].start |
9448.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].end |
9450.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].text |
那允許廠商可以在合約的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].start |
9450.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].end |
9452.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].text |
這個履約期間內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].start |
9452.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].end |
9454.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].text |
他可以依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].start |
9454.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].end |
9456.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].text |
依照技術演進進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].start |
9456.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].end |
9458.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].text |
疊帶升級避免簽約的當下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].start |
9458.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].end |
9460.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].text |
這個規格落後到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].start |
9460.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].end |
9462.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].text |
這個你實際要交付的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].start |
9462.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].end |
9464.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].text |
差了一到兩代 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].start |
9464.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].end |
9466.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].text |
那其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].start |
9466.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].end |
9468.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].text |
我是建議可以參考美國食物的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].start |
9468.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].end |
9470.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].text |
做法那他們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].start |
9470.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].end |
9472.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].text |
基本上是以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].start |
9472.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].end |
9474.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].text |
這個合格供應商的名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].start |
9474.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].end |
9476.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].text |
加上一個框架的協議的採購機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].start |
9476.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].end |
9478.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].text |
那資格審查是一次到位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].start |
9478.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].end |
9480.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].text |
然後這時就依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].start |
9480.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].end |
9482.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].text |
作戰的需求隨時下單 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].start |
9482.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].end |
9484.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].text |
的一個模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].start |
9484.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].end |
9486.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].text |
那這種可以將這個單案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].start |
9487.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].end |
9489.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].text |
那這種模式就是美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].start |
9489.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].end |
9491.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].text |
D.I.U. 的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].start |
9491.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].end |
9493.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].text |
Commercial Solution Opening |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].start |
9493.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].end |
9495.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].text |
C.S.O. 跟 O.T. 的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].start |
9495.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].end |
9497.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].text |
還有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].start |
9497.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].end |
9499.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].text |
Replicator 計畫他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].start |
9499.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].end |
9501.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].text |
近年所推動的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].start |
9501.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].end |
9503.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].text |
我相信你們應該有做一些研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].start |
9503.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].end |
9505.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].text |
可以參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].start |
9505.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].end |
9507.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].text |
那當然我知道這個可以做一些示範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].start |
9507.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].end |
9509.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].text |
不一定說就是可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].start |
9509.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].end |
9511.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].text |
會有耗費一些時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].start |
9511.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].end |
9513.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].text |
那當然我知道這個可以做一些示範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].start |
9513.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].end |
9515.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].text |
不一定說就是可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].start |
9515.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].end |
9517.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].text |
會有耗費一些時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].start |
9517.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].end |
9519.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].text |
那第三個就是說可以採取分批 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].start |
9519.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].end |
9521.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].text |
滾動式的採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].start |
9521.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].end |
9523.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].text |
搭配這個戰備庫存的輪替 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].start |
9523.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].end |
9525.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].text |
那對於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].start |
9525.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].end |
9527.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].text |
軟韌體的部分的升級 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].start |
9527.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].end |
9529.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].text |
可以用這個採取認證的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].start |
9529.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].end |
9531.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].text |
不必整案重驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].start |
9531.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].end |
9533.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].text |
那這可以確保部隊手上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].start |
9533.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].end |
9535.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].text |
這個裝備呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].start |
9535.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].end |
9537.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].text |
可以維持這個最新的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].start |
9537.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].end |
9539.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].text |
那第四個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].start |
9539.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].end |
9541.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].text |
可以在第一線操作的部隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].start |
9541.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].end |
9543.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].text |
建立一個常態的回饋機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].start |
9543.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].end |
9545.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].text |
讓這個戰場的需求可以直接進入到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].start |
9545.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].end |
9547.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].text |
下一輪這個產品的規格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].start |
9547.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].end |
9549.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].text |
那這也是在二戰場經驗中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].start |
9549.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].end |
9551.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].text |
無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].start |
9551.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].end |
9553.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].text |
他的戰力可以持續領先 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].start |
9553.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].end |
9555.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].text |
最關鍵的一環 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].start |
9555.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].end |
9557.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].text |
所以我另外我建議就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].start |
9557.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].end |
9559.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].text |
剛剛中委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].start |
9559.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].end |
9561.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].text |
在簡報裡面有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].start |
9561.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].end |
9563.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].text |
我們應該要把這個反制無人載具的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].start |
9563.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].end |
9565.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].text |
系統要納入同一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].start |
9565.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].end |
9567.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].text |
快速 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].start |
9566.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].end |
9568.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].text |
籌獲的架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].start |
9568.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].end |
9570.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].text |
然後這個攻防兩端同步要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].start |
9570.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].end |
9572.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].text |
迭代 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].start |
9572.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].end |
9574.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].text |
因為這樣才能夠因應整個威脅形態的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].start |
9574.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].end |
9576.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].text |
一個快速演變 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].start |
9576.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].end |
9578.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].text |
這是蠻重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].start |
9578.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].end |
9580.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].text |
那其實第二個面向就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].start |
9580.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].end |
9582.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].text |
我們如何透過國防的採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].start |
9582.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].end |
9584.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].text |
來扶持國內無人載具供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].start |
9584.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].end |
9586.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].text |
以及協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].start |
9586.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].end |
9588.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].text |
這個傳產這個跨入到軍工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].start |
9588.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].end |
9590.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].text |
產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].start |
9590.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].end |
9592.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].text |
這也是這個國民黨團這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].start |
9592.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].end |
9594.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].text |
一再強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].start |
9594.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].end |
9596.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].text |
本土無人載具供應鏈發展的關鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].start |
9597.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].end |
9599.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].text |
不是只有在單店的補貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].start |
9599.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].end |
9601.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].text |
而是在需求性的確定性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].start |
9601.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].end |
9603.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].text |
剛剛前面學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].start |
9603.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].end |
9605.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].text |
專家也有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].start |
9605.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].end |
9607.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].text |
那就產業的長遠發展來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].start |
9607.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].end |
9609.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].text |
以我們看到行政院的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].start |
9609.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].end |
9611.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].text |
是最 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].start |
9611.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].end |
9613.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].text |
它的需求量跟這個金額是最明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].start |
9613.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].end |
9615.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].text |
四個版本中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].start |
9615.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].end |
9617.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].text |
它需求性是最高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].start |
9617.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].end |
9619.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].text |
那這樣子產業界 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].start |
9619.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].end |
9621.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].text |
才會敢去做投資產線 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].start |
9621.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].end |
9623.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].text |
才會敢去擴充人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].start |
9623.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].end |
9625.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].text |
所以他們看的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].start |
9625.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].end |
9627.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].text |
現在簽下來的是不是長單 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].start |
9627.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].end |
9629.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].text |
而不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].start |
9629.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].end |
9631.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].text |
逐年逐案模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].start |
9631.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].end |
9633.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].text |
然後每年又要去擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].start |
9633.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].end |
9635.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].text |
這個預算會被 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].start |
9635.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].end |
9637.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].text |
刪減被凍結 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].start |
9637.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].end |
9639.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].text |
這些變數的一個預算走額 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].start |
9639.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].end |
9641.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].text |
所以產業投資的預期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].start |
9641.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].end |
9643.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].text |
是何等的脆弱 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].start |
9643.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].end |
9645.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].text |
所以我們這邊我是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].start |
9645.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].end |
9647.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].text |
一樣支持行政院版的特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].start |
9647.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].end |
9649.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].text |
能夠儘速啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].start |
9649.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].end |
9651.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].text |
然後來滿足 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].start |
9651.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].end |
9653.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].text |
這個戰略缺口 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].start |
9653.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].end |
9655.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].text |
的急迫需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].start |
9655.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].end |
9657.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].text |
那這樣子國內產業可以立即取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].start |
9657.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].end |
9659.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].text |
他可以去投資的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].start |
9659.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].end |
9661.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].text |
這個苗錠的訂單 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].start |
9661.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].end |
9663.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].text |
所以我提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].start |
9663.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].end |
9665.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].text |
以下三個具體的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].start |
9668.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].end |
9670.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].start |
9669.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].end |
9671.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].text |
無人載機系統的料件清單 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].start |
9671.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].end |
9673.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].text |
也就是碰表 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].start |
9673.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].end |
9675.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].text |
可以就是做系統性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].start |
9675.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].end |
9677.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].text |
拆盤拆解盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].start |
9677.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].end |
9679.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].text |
也就是像 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].start |
9679.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].end |
9681.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].text |
包括馬達電池 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].start |
9681.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].end |
9683.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].text |
齒輪箱結構件負財 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].start |
9684.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].end |
9686.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].text |
還有限速等等這些品項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].start |
9686.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].end |
9688.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].text |
這些剛好都是國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].start |
9688.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].end |
9690.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].text |
中小微傳產他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].start |
9690.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].end |
9692.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].text |
既有強項可以承接的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].start |
9692.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].end |
9694.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].text |
那我覺得法案機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].start |
9694.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].end |
9696.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].text |
也要進行技術移轉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].start |
9696.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].end |
9698.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].text |
跟媒合輔導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].start |
9698.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].end |
9700.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].text |
讓這個傳產可以輕易打進 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].start |
9700.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].end |
9702.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].text |
國防供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].start |
9702.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].end |
9704.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].text |
作為轉型申請的這個路徑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].start |
9704.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].end |
9706.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].text |
這個我們在實務業界上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].start |
9706.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].end |
9708.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].text |
也常接觸到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].start |
9708.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].end |
9710.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].text |
國內的中小微產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].start |
9710.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].end |
9712.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].text |
都希望能夠參與國防 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].start |
9711.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].end |
9713.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].text |
產業的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].start |
9713.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].end |
9715.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].text |
提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].start |
9715.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].end |
9717.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].text |
所以這也對台灣的航太工業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].start |
9717.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].end |
9719.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].text |
升級是有幫助的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].start |
9720.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].end |
9722.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].text |
那未來在這個無人機產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].start |
9722.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].end |
9724.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].text |
戰略價值技術投入的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].start |
9724.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].end |
9726.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].text |
我們也要多仰賴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].start |
9726.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].end |
9728.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].text |
台灣這個半導體先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].start |
9728.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].end |
9730.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].text |
製程的優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].start |
9730.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].end |
9732.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].text |
包括像非控晶片啊影像處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].start |
9732.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].end |
9734.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].text |
還有這個邊緣預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].start |
9734.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].end |
9736.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].text |
AI這些都可以建立自主的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].start |
9736.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].end |
9738.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].text |
那這也是各國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].start |
9738.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].end |
9740.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].text |
最迫切需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].start |
9740.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].end |
9742.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].text |
要尋求的技術缺口 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].start |
9742.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].end |
9744.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].text |
那第三個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].start |
9744.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].end |
9746.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].text |
我們的供應鏈的驗證體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].start |
9748.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].end |
9750.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].text |
就是說我們要對接美方的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].start |
9750.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].end |
9752.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].text |
Blue UAS的認證架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].start |
9752.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].end |
9754.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].text |
那這樣子國防採購的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].start |
9754.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].end |
9756.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].text |
驗證結果同時可以進入到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].start |
9756.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].end |
9758.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].text |
美日歐這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].start |
9758.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].end |
9760.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].text |
盟友市場的門票 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].start |
9760.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].end |
9762.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].text |
這一點也是蠻重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].start |
9762.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].end |
9764.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].text |
那這個我知道民間的法人機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].start |
9764.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].end |
9766.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].text |
也有積極在推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].start |
9766.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].end |
9768.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].text |
這個所謂的系統認證的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].start |
9768.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].end |
9770.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].start |
9770.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].end |
9772.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].text |
不管是Blue UAS或 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].start |
9772.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].end |
9774.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].text |
Green UAS已經積極在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].start |
9774.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].end |
9776.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].text |
在運作那總結來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].start |
9776.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].end |
9778.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].start |
9778.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].end |
9780.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].text |
我們內需的訂單是要養量的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].start |
9780.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].end |
9782.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].text |
外銷市場是要養規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].start |
9782.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].end |
9784.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].text |
所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].start |
9784.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].end |
9786.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].text |
就是說我們從 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].start |
9786.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].end |
9788.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].text |
我們可以從無人載具的這個使用者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].start |
9788.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].end |
9790.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].text |
可以進一步成為這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].start |
9790.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].end |
9792.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].text |
民主陣營可以信賴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].start |
9792.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].end |
9794.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].text |
最可信賴的這個供應管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].start |
9794.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].end |
9796.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].text |
所以我們自己本身要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].start |
9796.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].end |
9798.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].text |
信心就像早上這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].start |
9798.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].end |
9800.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].text |
NVIDIA |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].start |
9800.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].end |
9802.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].text |
執行長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].start |
9802.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].end |
9804.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].text |
這個黃潤輝說他以台灣人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].start |
9804.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].end |
9806.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].text |
為榮他說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].start |
9806.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].end |
9808.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].text |
台灣人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].start |
9808.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].end |
9810.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].text |
已經不是現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].start |
9810.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].end |
9812.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].text |
台灣的這個弱勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].start |
9812.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].end |
9814.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].text |
而是台灣的強項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].start |
9814.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].end |
9816.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].text |
所以我們真的台灣人要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].start |
9816.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].end |
9818.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].text |
有自信所以第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].start |
9818.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].end |
9820.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].text |
第三個面向就是我簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].start |
9820.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].end |
9822.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].text |
說一下就是無人載具測試法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].start |
9822.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].end |
9824.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].text |
場域平普的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].start |
9824.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].end |
9826.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].text |
就是說基本上目前這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].start |
9826.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].end |
9828.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].text |
所有的版本我目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].start |
9828.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].end |
9830.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].text |
看到並沒有觸及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].start |
9830.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].end |
9832.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].text |
測試法規場域跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].start |
9832.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].end |
9834.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].text |
平普的制度問題簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].start |
9834.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].end |
9836.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].text |
一個就是說一個是反制無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].start |
9836.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].end |
9838.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].text |
的測試法規原這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].start |
9838.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].end |
9840.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].text |
在現行的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].start |
9840.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].end |
9842.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].text |
像那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].start |
9842.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].end |
9844.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].text |
侯玉祥委員他的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].start |
9844.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].end |
9846.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].text |
就定得蠻詳實的但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].start |
9846.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].end |
9848.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].text |
他裡面就是說涉及到實際 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].start |
9848.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].end |
9850.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].text |
發射干擾訊號的測試在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].start |
9850.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].end |
9852.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].text |
電信管理法下他的合法性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].start |
9852.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].end |
9854.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].text |
跟核准程序是沒有明定所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].start |
9854.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].end |
9856.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].text |
這個部分應該要把他考量進去否則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].start |
9856.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].end |
9858.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].text |
業者沒有辦法進行合法測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].start |
9858.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].end |
9860.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].text |
跟驗證這個成熟度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].start |
9860.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].end |
9862.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].text |
所以應該要明定一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].start |
9862.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].end |
9864.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].text |
專用的場域頻率跟核准 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].start |
9864.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].end |
9866.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].text |
的程序再來就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].start |
9866.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].end |
9868.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].text |
在海上夜間是非走廊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].start |
9868.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].end |
9870.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].text |
這個常態化的核准機制尤其 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].start |
9870.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].end |
9872.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].text |
是濱海尖針型攻擊型的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].start |
9872.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].end |
9874.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].text |
他的測評必須要在海上進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].start |
9874.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].end |
9876.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].text |
所以建議要常設一個海域 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].start |
9876.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].end |
9878.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].text |
是非走廊謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].start |
9881.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].end |
9885.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].text |
好非常感謝呂總經理提供非常寶貴的實務經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].start |
9885.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].end |
9887.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].text |
那麼接下來我們就邀請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].start |
9887.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].end |
9889.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].text |
台大機械工程系的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].start |
9889.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].end |
9891.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].text |
特聘教授陳秉惠陳老師請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].start |
9893.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].end |
9895.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].text |
黃色下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].start |
9897.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].end |
9899.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].text |
好那個主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].start |
9899.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].end |
9901.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].text |
然後各位專家委員跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].start |
9901.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].end |
9903.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].text |
各位政府的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].start |
9903.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].end |
9905.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].text |
在我的簡報之前我想大概也 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].start |
9905.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].end |
9907.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].text |
有想幾句話想講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].start |
9908.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].end |
9910.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].text |
過去一年我接觸過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].start |
9910.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].end |
9912.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].text |
烏克蘭幾家的新創 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].start |
9912.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].end |
9914.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].text |
那他們都提到烏克蘭 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].start |
9914.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].end |
9916.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].text |
基本上他們是以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].start |
9916.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].end |
9918.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].text |
人命來換無人機開發的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].start |
9918.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].end |
9920.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].text |
經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].start |
9920.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].end |
9924.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].text |
然後他們希望可以把相關的經驗轉給台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].start |
9924.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].end |
9928.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].text |
台灣可以不用靠人命來交換經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].start |
9928.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].end |
9930.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].text |
可是他們非常希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].start |
9930.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].end |
9932.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].text |
台灣可以提供關鍵零組件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].start |
9932.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].end |
9934.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].text |
包含晶片 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].start |
9935.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].end |
9937.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].text |
動力系統還有感測器等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].start |
9937.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].end |
9939.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].text |
來取代中國的晶片 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].start |
9939.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].end |
9941.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].text |
他們非常非常希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].start |
9941.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].end |
9943.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].text |
飛虹 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].start |
9943.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].end |
9945.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].text |
可是要買這個歐美的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].start |
9945.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].end |
9947.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].text |
這些相關的這些產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].start |
9947.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].end |
9949.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].text |
那個代價又很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].start |
9949.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].end |
9951.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].text |
他們根本換不起 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].start |
9951.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].end |
9953.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].text |
所以說台灣是可以跟烏克蘭 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].start |
9953.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].end |
9955.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].text |
密切合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].start |
9955.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].end |
9957.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].text |
成為全世界最重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].start |
9957.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].end |
9959.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].text |
無人機或無人載具的飛虹供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].start |
9959.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].end |
9961.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].text |
的這樣子的兩個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].start |
9961.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].end |
9963.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].start |
9963.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].end |
9965.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].text |
剛剛游委員說到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].start |
9965.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].end |
9967.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].text |
是不是有迫切需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].start |
9967.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].end |
9969.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].text |
好那我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].start |
9969.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].end |
9971.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].text |
要問說現在台灣有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].start |
9971.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].end |
9973.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].text |
足夠的無人機的庫存 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].start |
9973.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].end |
9975.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].text |
是不是有足夠的賀主力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].start |
9975.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].end |
9977.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].text |
現在我相信現在只要盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].start |
9977.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].end |
9979.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].text |
以下就知道台灣的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].start |
9979.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].end |
9981.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].text |
的庫存基本上是那個量 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].start |
9981.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].end |
9983.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].text |
是非常少因為大部分的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].start |
9983.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].end |
9985.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].text |
現在不是被凍結不然就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].start |
9985.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].end |
9987.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].text |
被刪減 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].start |
9987.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].end |
9989.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].text |
真正如果真正盤點下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].start |
9989.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].end |
9991.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].text |
我相信應該沒有超過一兩萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].start |
9991.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].end |
9993.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].text |
一兩萬架的無人機的一個庫存 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].start |
9993.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].end |
9995.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].text |
可是烏克蘭過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].start |
9995.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].end |
9997.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].text |
也是以功能簡單的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].start |
9997.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].end |
9999.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].text |
或者無人船進行改裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].start |
9999.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].end |
10001.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].text |
但有需要無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].start |
10001.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].end |
10003.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].text |
無人船的時候他們也才能夠改裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].start |
10003.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].end |
10005.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].text |
我們現在如果沒有這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].start |
10005.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].end |
10007.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].text |
庫存先有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].start |
10007.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].end |
10009.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].text |
先求有才能夠再改裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].start |
10009.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].end |
10011.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].text |
過去他們連大疆的都可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].start |
10011.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].end |
10013.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].text |
改裝那以台灣現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].start |
10013.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].end |
10015.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].text |
我們能夠做的這些無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].start |
10015.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].end |
10017.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].text |
以台灣的能力沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].start |
10017.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].end |
10019.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].text |
改裝成我們所需要的真正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].start |
10019.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].end |
10021.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].text |
假設是需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].start |
10021.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].end |
10023.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].text |
應用到這些無人機無人船 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].start |
10023.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].end |
10025.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].text |
剛剛也有專家提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].start |
10025.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].end |
10027.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].text |
我們現在的軍隊的人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].start |
10027.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].end |
10029.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].text |
缺乏大家就要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].start |
10029.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].end |
10031.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].text |
想想現在無人機的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].start |
10031.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].end |
10033.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].text |
烏克蘭的戰爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].start |
10033.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].end |
10035.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].text |
其實都是官兵在遠方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].start |
10035.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].end |
10037.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].text |
監控無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].start |
10037.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].end |
10039.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].text |
進行攻擊甚至不用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].start |
10039.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].end |
10041.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].text |
官兵上戰場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].start |
10041.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].end |
10043.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].text |
就可以把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].start |
10043.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].end |
10045.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].text |
俄國的這些或者佔領的地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].start |
10045.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].end |
10047.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].text |
就直接再拿回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].start |
10047.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].end |
10049.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].text |
而且現在的無人載具是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].start |
10049.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].end |
10051.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].text |
這個AI化、智能化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].start |
10051.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].end |
10053.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].text |
一鍵操控、一鍵起飛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].start |
10053.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].end |
10055.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].text |
在這種情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].start |
10055.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].end |
10057.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].text |
一個人可以控制幾十架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].start |
10057.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].end |
10059.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].text |
幾百架甚至上千架 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].start |
10059.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].end |
10061.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].text |
這時候我們這個官兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].start |
10061.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].end |
10063.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].text |
這個人員缺乏的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].start |
10063.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].end |
10065.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].text |
就可以靠無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].start |
10065.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].end |
10067.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].text |
來解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].start |
10067.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].end |
10069.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].text |
我們就是需要無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].start |
10069.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].end |
10071.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].text |
來解決我們現在兵源不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].start |
10071.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].end |
10073.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].text |
可是又能夠維持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].start |
10073.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].end |
10075.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].text |
我們的這個嚇阻的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].start |
10075.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].end |
10077.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].text |
力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].start |
10077.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].end |
10079.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].text |
最後還有一個關鍵領主鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].start |
10079.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].end |
10081.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].text |
這個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].start |
10081.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].end |
10083.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].text |
剛剛也有一些專家提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].start |
10083.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].end |
10085.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].text |
現在關鍵領主鍵缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].start |
10085.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].end |
10087.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].text |
那最近 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].start |
10087.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].end |
10089.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].text |
經過這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].start |
10089.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].end |
10091.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].text |
一些廠商的申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].start |
10091.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].end |
10093.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].text |
那我們知道現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].start |
10093.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].end |
10095.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].text |
不管是紅外線感測 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].start |
10095.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].end |
10097.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].text |
馬達 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].start |
10097.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].end |
10099.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].text |
尤其是動力系統EMI等等之類 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].start |
10099.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].end |
10101.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].text |
剛剛李教授提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].start |
10101.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].end |
10103.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].text |
最近都有廠商提出申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].start |
10103.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].end |
10105.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].text |
那這次如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].start |
10105.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].end |
10107.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].text |
統籌方案如果被凍結 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].start |
10107.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].end |
10109.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].text |
或者被刪減 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].start |
10109.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].end |
10111.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].text |
那這些重要的關鍵領主鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].start |
10111.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].end |
10113.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].text |
廠商開發的補助就不見了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].start |
10113.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].end |
10115.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].text |
那這時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].start |
10115.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].end |
10117.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].text |
這個顧客欄或者是全世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].start |
10117.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].end |
10119.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].text |
需要這個CP值 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].start |
10119.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].end |
10121.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].text |
很高的這些關鍵領主鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].start |
10121.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].end |
10123.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].text |
就沒有了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].start |
10123.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].end |
10125.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].text |
所以說希望真的是大院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].start |
10125.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].end |
10127.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].text |
不要去這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].start |
10127.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].end |
10129.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].text |
就是希望能夠多支持一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].start |
10129.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].end |
10131.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].text |
這個統籌方案因為裡面有蠻多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].start |
10131.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].end |
10133.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].text |
這個補助廠商的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].start |
10133.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].end |
10135.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].text |
而且是開發非常重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].start |
10135.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].end |
10137.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].text |
關鍵領主鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].start |
10137.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].end |
10139.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].text |
包含這個AI的系統 |
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這個非控的系統 |
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然後紅外線感測等等 |
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那這些就是希望 |
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這個大院能夠支持 |
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好那這個我想剛剛 |
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有提到就是這是我 |
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做的投影片那也簡單的 |
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跟大家介紹 |
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那目前當然 |
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這個如果真的要做台灣 |
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要做這個非控供應鏈 |
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我們最大的競爭對手其實是烏克蘭 |
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10164.47 |
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那因為他們有各式各樣的 |
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已經有實戰過的一些 |
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這個經驗的一些規格 |
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我們應該要想辦法跟他合作 |
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那這個是無人機的種類我想大家 |
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是沒有什麼問題 |
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無人機的軍事用途大概 |
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10180.47 |
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有分為徵收攻擊還有獵殺 |
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還有攔截跟通訊 |
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所以說我們這一次的行政院 |
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所提的版本是不是要再 |
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擴充我們需要購買的一個種類 |
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增加經費這個我是 |
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建議是可以探討 |
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那這裡面的主要是系統 |
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這些我想應該大家是可以 |
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參考我的投影片那 |
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目前呢這個台灣的 |
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10200.47 |
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無人機的廠商經過這幾年的 |
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10202.47 |
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一個發展那 |
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大概就是在270家左右 |
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10210.14 |
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那這裡面我剛剛有提到這些 |
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10212.14 |
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庫存的部分 |
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10214.14 |
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那這個剛剛也有 |
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10216.14 |
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專家有提到說我們目前這個整機 |
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無人機的產值那 |
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10220.14 |
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115年前半年已經超過67.8億 |
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10220.14 |
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10222.14 |
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那5月的時候沙烏地 |
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10222.14 |
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10224.14 |
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沙烏地阿拉伯就購買了 |
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10224.14 |
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10226.14 |
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15.1億 |
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10226.14 |
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10228.14 |
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那目前呢烏克蘭 |
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10228.14 |
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10230.14 |
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一年大概可以生產400萬價 |
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10230.14 |
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10232.14 |
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那他們也透過 |
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10232.14 |
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10234.14 |
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他們自己的需求然後他們 |
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10234.14 |
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10236.14 |
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現在也可以供應這個 |
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10236.14 |
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10238.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].text |
這些戶口相關的這些這個無人機 |
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10238.14 |
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10240.14 |
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那 |
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10240.81 |
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10242.81 |
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那台灣的優勢是什麼 |
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10242.81 |
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10244.81 |
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我們的晶片代工世界第一 |
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10244.81 |
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10246.81 |
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那雖然剛剛李剛教授 |
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10246.81 |
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10248.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].text |
提到說不能只講電子業 |
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10248.81 |
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10250.81 |
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那可是電子業的確是 |
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10250.81 |
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10252.81 |
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很強那電子產品的 |
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10252.81 |
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10254.81 |
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這個代工呢也是世界第一 |
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10254.81 |
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10256.81 |
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IC設計業世界第三 |
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10256.81 |
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10258.81 |
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那這裡面 |
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10258.81 |
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10260.81 |
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那這個前十名裡面 |
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10260.81 |
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10262.81 |
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美國7家台灣有兩家 |
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10262.81 |
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10264.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].text |
中國有一家就是CMOS的感測器 |
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10264.81 |
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10266.81 |
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而這個部分呢是正是 |
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10266.81 |
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10268.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].text |
我們在無人機產業裡面非常 |
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10268.81 |
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10270.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].text |
非常需要就是做紅外線感測 |
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10270.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].end |
10272.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].text |
然後晶片機械是世界第七 |
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10272.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].end |
10274.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].text |
然後呢我們的企業效能呢 |
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10274.81 |
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10276.81 |
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表現突出呢 |
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10276.81 |
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10278.81 |
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那在IMD的評比是全球第四 |
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10278.81 |
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10280.81 |
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那我們能夠的 |
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10280.81 |
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10282.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].text |
這個台灣最大的競爭力是 |
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10282.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].end |
10284.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].text |
馬達電池 |
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10284.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].end |
10286.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].text |
現在開始真的是台灣的 |
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10286.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].end |
10288.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].text |
電池已經慢慢的已經提供給 |
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10288.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].end |
10290.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].text |
這個而且呢 |
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10290.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].end |
10292.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].text |
提供電池的廠商絕對不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].start |
10292.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].end |
10294.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].text |
綠油油 |
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10294.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].end |
10296.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].text |
那在雲台的部分 |
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10296.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].end |
10298.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].text |
那這個呢已經也有相當多的廠商 |
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10298.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].end |
10300.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].text |
而且可以提供非常好的一些雲台 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].start |
10300.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].end |
10302.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].text |
那晶片的部分 |
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10302.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].end |
10304.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].text |
現在不管是飛控晶片通信晶片 |
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10304.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].end |
10306.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].text |
抗干擾晶片 |
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10306.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].end |
10308.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].text |
突傳晶片AI影像晶片 |
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10308.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].end |
10310.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].text |
現在也都在補助廠商在做開發 |
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10310.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].end |
10312.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].text |
那感測性 |
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10312.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].end |
10314.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].text |
熱影像的感測 |
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10314.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].end |
10316.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].text |
感測器的部分現在呢 |
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10316.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].end |
10318.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].text |
如果大家看經濟部的網站 |
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10318.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].end |
10320.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].text |
至少已經有兩家在做 |
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10320.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].end |
10322.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].text |
這個紅外線感測的 |
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10322.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].end |
10324.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].text |
那除了這個以外我們也做了這個 |
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10324.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].end |
10326.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].text |
也補助了夜間海上的一個光達 |
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10326.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].end |
10328.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].text |
那其實我們最有能量的其中 |
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10328.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].end |
10330.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].text |
一項當然是剛剛李剛 |
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10330.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].end |
10332.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].text |
老師所講的 |
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10332.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].end |
10334.81 |
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這個就是這個精密 |
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10334.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].end |
10336.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].text |
製造然後量產的這個能力 |
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10336.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].end |
10338.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].text |
所以說如果 |
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10338.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].end |
10340.81 |
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我們怎麼樣那也必須要有足夠 |
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10340.81 |
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10342.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].text |
的需求那我們足夠 |
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10342.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].end |
10344.81 |
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的需求現在全世界最大的需求 |
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10344.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].end |
10346.81 |
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都是軍方那大家有可能 |
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10346.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].end |
10348.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].text |
剛剛有提到說軍方 |
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10348.81 |
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10350.81 |
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買了以後是不是市場就沒有 |
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10350.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].end |
10352.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].text |
事實上是全世界現在破卻 |
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10352.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].end |
10354.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].text |
軍方破卻需要這些無人機 |
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10354.81 |
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10356.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].text |
而且是CP值夠高的 |
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10356.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].end |
10358.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].text |
那這些東西是台灣是可以 |
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10360.81 |
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提供的 |
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10360.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].end |
10362.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].text |
台灣的弱項當然還是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].start |
10362.81 |
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10364.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].text |
相關的地主共通標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].start |
10364.81 |
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10366.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].text |
操作這個系統或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].start |
10366.81 |
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10368.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].text |
這個C5IS |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].start |
10368.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].end |
10370.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].text |
那這個部分我們應該也要努力的趕上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].start |
10372.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].end |
10374.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].text |
那這裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].start |
10374.61 |
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10376.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].text |
那這個是結論的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].start |
10376.61 |
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10378.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].text |
那在念結論之前我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].start |
10378.61 |
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10380.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].text |
我還是要先針對這個重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].start |
10380.61 |
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10382.61 |
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的這個國防自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].start |
10382.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].end |
10384.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].text |
的無人載具的採購特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].start |
10384.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].end |
10386.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].text |
條例提供一點建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].start |
10386.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].end |
10388.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].text |
我個人是支持這個條例因為我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].start |
10388.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].end |
10390.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].text |
要趕快建立我們的庫存 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].start |
10390.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].end |
10392.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].text |
第一個是第三條裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].start |
10392.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].end |
10394.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].text |
我是建議訓練的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].start |
10394.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].end |
10396.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].text |
要多加一個迭代開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].start |
10396.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].end |
10398.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].text |
這是第一點那第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].start |
10398.61 |
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10400.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].text |
這個在第 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].start |
10400.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].end |
10402.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].text |
第四條或者是其他條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].start |
10402.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].end |
10404.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].text |
軍方應該要設定統一的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].start |
10404.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].end |
10406.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].text |
讓不同的廠商的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].start |
10406.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].end |
10408.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].text |
關鍵零子件可以互換 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].start |
10408.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].end |
10410.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].text |
因為我們現在的電腦的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].start |
10410.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].end |
10412.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].text |
單價可以這麼便宜是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].start |
10412.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].end |
10414.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].text |
都有統一的標準那 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].start |
10414.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].end |
10416.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].text |
半導體SAMI它也訂了各式各樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].start |
10416.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].end |
10418.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].text |
標準那如果不訂標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].start |
10418.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].end |
10420.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].text |
現在所有的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].start |
10420.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].end |
10422.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].text |
就是客製化那一旦客製 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].start |
10422.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].end |
10424.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].text |
化它的單價就很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].start |
10424.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].end |
10426.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].text |
我舉一個例子我們現在的非控板 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].start |
10426.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].end |
10428.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].text |
現在如果非控板 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].start |
10428.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].end |
10430.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].text |
不能互換我們應該把它定一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].start |
10430.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].end |
10432.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].text |
標準之後讓最有能力的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].start |
10432.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].end |
10434.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].text |
就經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].start |
10434.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].end |
10436.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].text |
競爭以後能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].start |
10436.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].end |
10438.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].text |
大量生產然後讓單價降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].start |
10438.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].end |
10440.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].text |
那除了這個以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].start |
10440.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].end |
10442.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].text |
我們採購可以部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].start |
10442.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].end |
10444.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].text |
整機可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].start |
10444.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].end |
10446.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].text |
大部分是採用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].start |
10446.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].end |
10448.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].text |
關鍵零組件然後用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].start |
10448.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].end |
10450.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].text |
關鍵零組件組裝讓軍方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].start |
10450.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].end |
10452.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].text |
每年來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].start |
10452.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].end |
10454.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].text |
對抗然後對抗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].start |
10454.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].end |
10456.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].text |
營的就放一個月容易價 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].start |
10456.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].end |
10458.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].text |
我相信我們大概可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].start |
10458.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].end |
10460.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].text |
可以迭代出各式各樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].start |
10460.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].end |
10462.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].text |
這個無人機的一個應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].start |
10462.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].end |
10464.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].text |
然後很重要的是要建立測試場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].start |
10464.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].end |
10466.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].text |
這裡面就包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].start |
10466.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].end |
10468.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].text |
海空的測試場域現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].start |
10468.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].end |
10470.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].text |
空的我們要民航局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].start |
10470.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].end |
10472.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].text |
那海的要港務局或者是海巡署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].start |
10472.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].end |
10474.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].text |
沒有一個單位單一窗口 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].start |
10474.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].end |
10476.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].text |
來處理這個測試場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].start |
10476.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].end |
10478.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].text |
然後要有火藥的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].start |
10478.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].end |
10480.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].text |
還有要抗干擾的時候要怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].start |
10480.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].end |
10482.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].text |
那剛剛我提到說這個平埔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].start |
10482.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].end |
10484.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].text |
的問題其實還有長距離 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].start |
10484.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].end |
10486.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].text |
等等通訊的這些東西要處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].start |
10486.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].end |
10488.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].start |
10488.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].end |
10490.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].text |
應該要提供補助讓廠商開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].start |
10490.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].end |
10492.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].text |
先競爭比較之後然後再採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].start |
10492.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].end |
10494.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].text |
而且我們的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].start |
10494.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].end |
10496.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].text |
一定要先通過國際 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].start |
10496.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].end |
10498.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].text |
相容的標準例如 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].start |
10498.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].end |
10500.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].text |
Blue UAS跟Green UAS |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].start |
10500.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].end |
10502.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].text |
然後增加國際合作的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].start |
10502.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].end |
10504.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].text |
最後補助希望能夠補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].start |
10504.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].end |
10506.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].text |
廠商建立生產線以上報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].start |
10506.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].end |
10508.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].start |
10509.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].end |
10511.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].text |
好非常感謝我們陳教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].start |
10511.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].end |
10513.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].text |
的一個說明跟介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].start |
10513.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].end |
10517.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].text |
接下來請全球防衛雜誌的陳主任陳國民先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].start |
10531.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].end |
10533.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].text |
不好意思主席他的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].start |
10533.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].end |
10535.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].text |
還有各位媒體先生還有廣告部長的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].start |
10535.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].end |
10537.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].text |
一些朋友大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].start |
10538.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].end |
10540.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].text |
我這邊簡單的報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].start |
10540.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].end |
10542.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].text |
因為其實書面之量其實大概都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].start |
10542.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].end |
10544.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].text |
那我們這邊先講幾個兩個小故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].start |
10544.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].end |
10546.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].text |
一個小故事是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].start |
10546.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].end |
10548.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].text |
2022年7月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].start |
10548.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].end |
10550.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].text |
其實金門呢金門處軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].start |
10550.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].end |
10552.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].text |
發生所謂的丟菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].start |
10552.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].end |
10554.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].text |
被斷丟炸菜包 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].start |
10554.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].end |
10556.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].text |
的事件到了四年之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].start |
10556.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].end |
10558.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].text |
其實國內還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].start |
10558.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].end |
10560.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].text |
沒有一套有效的反制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].start |
10560.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].end |
10562.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].text |
的無人機的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].start |
10562.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].end |
10564.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].text |
那其實說是對於現官兵來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].start |
10564.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].end |
10566.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].text |
其實是非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].start |
10566.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].end |
10568.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].text |
不理想的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].start |
10568.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].end |
10570.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].text |
那第二個就是說我們剛才討論那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].start |
10570.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].end |
10572.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].text |
其實在二戰場上其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].start |
10572.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].end |
10574.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].text |
有很多我們的台灣製的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].start |
10574.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].end |
10576.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].text |
已經在二戰場上運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].start |
10576.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].end |
10578.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].text |
那其實報章雜誌 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].start |
10578.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].end |
10580.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].text |
其實都會有但是有一個現象是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].start |
10580.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].end |
10582.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].text |
那這些無人機怎麼我們國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].start |
10582.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].end |
10584.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].text |
好像都用不到其實這是非常非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].start |
10584.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].end |
10586.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].text |
可惜的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].start |
10586.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].end |
10588.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].text |
我們等一下就練一下說我們今天的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].start |
10588.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].end |
10590.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].text |
報告那我會按照我之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].start |
10590.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].end |
10592.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].text |
書面之要來做然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].start |
10592.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].end |
10594.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].text |
第三個我會借用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].start |
10594.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].end |
10596.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].text |
那個開船的模型跟大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].start |
10596.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].end |
10598.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].text |
講一下這個產官學界的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].start |
10598.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].end |
10600.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].text |
那其實第一個我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].start |
10600.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].end |
10602.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].text |
有幾個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].start |
10602.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].end |
10604.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].text |
需要加強那目前我們對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].start |
10604.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].end |
10606.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].text |
無人機的公開的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].start |
10606.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].end |
10608.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].text |
大部分都集中在無人機的性能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].start |
10608.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].end |
10610.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].text |
價格技術規格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].start |
10610.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].end |
10612.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].text |
那你比較少跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].start |
10612.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].end |
10614.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].text |
這些所謂的廠商或說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].start |
10614.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].end |
10616.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].text |
單位說他的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].start |
10616.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].end |
10618.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].text |
是什麼他的部署需求是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].start |
10618.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].end |
10620.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].text |
他的應用情境還有系統的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].start |
10620.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].end |
10622.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].text |
應用環境是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].start |
10622.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].end |
10624.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].text |
廠商就很難掌握說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].start |
10624.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].end |
10626.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].text |
你們到底要做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].start |
10627.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].end |
10629.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].text |
廠商就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].start |
10629.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].end |
10631.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].text |
他到底要開發什麼他其實不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].start |
10631.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].end |
10633.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].text |
那第二點就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].start |
10633.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].end |
10635.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].text |
還是沿用到上次說明說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].start |
10635.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].end |
10637.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].text |
運用場景不夠完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].start |
10638.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].end |
10640.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].text |
那不同的任務比如說偵察物流 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].start |
10640.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].end |
10642.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].text |
就是空運業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].start |
10642.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].end |
10644.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].text |
那中國大陸叫做低空經濟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].start |
10644.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].end |
10646.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].text |
這個先不管就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].start |
10646.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].end |
10648.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].text |
偵察物流巡防打擊海域監視 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].start |
10648.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].end |
10650.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].text |
所需要的飛控模式導航模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].start |
10650.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].end |
10652.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].text |
仇宰耐航能力續航 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].start |
10652.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].end |
10654.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].text |
要求等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].start |
10654.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].end |
10656.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].text |
這些完全都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].start |
10656.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].end |
10658.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].text |
那其實大家很難想像說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].start |
10658.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].end |
10660.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].text |
我們都無人機在什麼軍用民用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].start |
10660.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].end |
10662.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].text |
你知不知道就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].start |
10662.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].end |
10664.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].text |
北海道的農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].start |
10664.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].end |
10666.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].text |
日本北海道農民他們運用無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].start |
10666.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].end |
10668.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].text |
來做什麼來找熊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].start |
10668.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].end |
10670.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].text |
就是說他熊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].start |
10670.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].end |
10672.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].text |
熊會侵害到民宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].start |
10672.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].end |
10674.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].text |
所以其實他們會運用無人機去找熊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].start |
10674.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].end |
10676.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].text |
那這些無人機的話其實就跟我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].start |
10676.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].end |
10678.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].text |
單兵用的那種反 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].start |
10678.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].end |
10680.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].text |
丟職性的那種無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].start |
10680.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].end |
10682.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].text |
一樣一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].start |
10682.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].end |
10684.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].text |
第三個就是驗證標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].start |
10684.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].end |
10686.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].text |
那其實剛才已經有專家講過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].start |
10686.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].end |
10688.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].text |
那不管是在非測的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].start |
10688.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].end |
10690.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].text |
新的門檻驗證方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].start |
10690.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].end |
10692.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].text |
驗收的標準都沒有及早確立 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].start |
10692.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].end |
10694.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].text |
那廠商在開發的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].start |
10694.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].end |
10696.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].text |
他根本沒有標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].start |
10696.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].end |
10698.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].text |
他根本沒有辦法去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].start |
10698.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].end |
10700.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].text |
產出跟需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].start |
10700.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].end |
10702.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].text |
他也沒有辦法做後續的成本調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].start |
10702.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].end |
10704.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].text |
跟改正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].start |
10704.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].end |
10706.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].text |
這個他們會去抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].start |
10706.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].end |
10708.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].text |
那第四個就是中長期的需求規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].start |
10708.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].end |
10710.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].text |
還有提高他們的可預測性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].start |
10710.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].end |
10712.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].text |
講白點就是說你要讓他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].start |
10712.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].end |
10714.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].text |
看到說我這個生產下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].start |
10714.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].end |
10716.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].text |
可能會有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].start |
10716.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].end |
10718.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].text |
投資誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].start |
10718.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].end |
10720.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].text |
那麼還是要練一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].start |
10720.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].end |
10722.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].text |
目前的各個無人機的需求還有規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].start |
10722.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].end |
10724.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].text |
技術會隨著他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].start |
10724.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].end |
10726.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].text |
專案的持續調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].start |
10726.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].end |
10728.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].text |
部分專案會先打樣測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].start |
10728.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].end |
10730.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].text |
然後逐步的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].start |
10730.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].end |
10732.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].text |
那我必須說啦這些都是成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].start |
10732.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].end |
10734.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].text |
都是錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].start |
10734.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].end |
10736.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].text |
很多的不管是投資設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].start |
10736.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].end |
10738.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].text |
產能的設備還有人才的培育 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].start |
10738.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].end |
10740.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].text |
這些都需要時間跟人精錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].start |
10740.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].end |
10742.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].text |
那第五個是需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].start |
10742.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].end |
10744.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].text |
公共機制有待持續更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].start |
10744.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].end |
10746.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].text |
比如說企業他們在專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].start |
10746.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].end |
10748.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].text |
執行生產的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].start |
10748.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].end |
10750.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].text |
他如果說沒有及時得到相關的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].start |
10750.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].end |
10752.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].text |
或技術成型 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].start |
10752.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].end |
10754.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].text |
那不同廠商對於他的規格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].start |
10754.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].end |
10756.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].text |
他會產生不同的解讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].start |
10756.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].end |
10758.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].text |
那就會重複投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].start |
10758.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].end |
10760.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].text |
講白點所以了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].start |
10761.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].end |
10763.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].text |
第六個的話就是增加企業的投入成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].start |
10765.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].end |
10767.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].text |
在政府需求有限的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].start |
10767.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].end |
10769.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].text |
資訊有限的狀況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].start |
10769.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].end |
10771.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].text |
企業提供很高的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].start |
10771.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].end |
10773.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].text |
驗證跟需求假設 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].start |
10773.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].end |
10775.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].text |
增加他們的試驗錯誤的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].start |
10775.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].end |
10777.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].text |
比如說剛才我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].start |
10777.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].end |
10779.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].text |
那個戰博士已經講過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].start |
10779.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].end |
10781.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].text |
這是一個案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].start |
10781.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].end |
10783.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].text |
第七個是會影響到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].start |
10783.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].end |
10785.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].text |
公民面的投資意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].start |
10785.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].end |
10787.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].text |
那需求方法如果不夠明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].start |
10787.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].end |
10789.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].text |
那公民廠商都很難 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].start |
10789.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].end |
10791.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].text |
提供相關的設備自動化設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].start |
10791.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].end |
10793.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].text |
模具材料零組件設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].start |
10793.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].end |
10795.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].text |
等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].start |
10795.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].end |
10797.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].text |
第八個是導入的產品時間比較長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].start |
10797.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].end |
10799.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].text |
那如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].start |
10799.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].end |
10801.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].text |
產品的定義跟驗證的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].start |
10802.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].end |
10804.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].text |
跟開發後期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].start |
10804.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].end |
10806.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].text |
廠商在開發後期再逐步明確的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].start |
10806.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].end |
10808.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].text |
其實廠商根本來不及修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].start |
10808.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].end |
10810.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].text |
那其他第九點跟第十點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].start |
10810.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].end |
10812.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].text |
差不多也是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].start |
10812.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].end |
10814.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].text |
那其實我覺得還是講一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].start |
10814.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].end |
10816.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].text |
比較大要的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].start |
10817.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].end |
10819.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].text |
像日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].start |
10819.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].end |
10821.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].text |
他們其實的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].start |
10821.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].end |
10823.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].text |
他們有一個聯盟叫JUIDA |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].start |
10823.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].end |
10825.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].text |
JUIDA |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].start |
10825.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].end |
10827.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].text |
其實就是無人機產業協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].start |
10827.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].end |
10829.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].text |
那這個協會權力很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].start |
10829.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].end |
10831.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].text |
它可以動用國土城 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].start |
10831.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].end |
10833.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].text |
日本國土城交通人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].start |
10833.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].end |
10835.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].text |
還有防衛使人的支援 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].start |
10835.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].end |
10837.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].text |
協助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].start |
10837.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].end |
10839.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].text |
其實我們這一塊有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].start |
10839.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].end |
10841.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].text |
但是我們比較慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].start |
10841.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].end |
10843.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].text |
那之前像我們的航太工會跟國防產業協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].start |
10843.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].end |
10845.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].text |
他們都會協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].start |
10845.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].end |
10847.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].text |
他們交出協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].start |
10847.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].end |
10849.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].text |
然後協助他們取得資格認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].start |
10849.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].end |
10851.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].text |
那其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].start |
10851.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].end |
10853.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].text |
我們的航太產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].start |
10853.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].end |
10855.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].text |
之前就是用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].start |
10855.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].end |
10857.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].text |
航太工會跟國防產業協會的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].start |
10857.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].end |
10859.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].text |
去深入日本的市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].start |
10859.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].end |
10861.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].text |
那其實我的意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].start |
10861.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].end |
10863.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].text |
我們可以運用航太工會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].start |
10863.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].end |
10865.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].text |
跟國防產業的協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].start |
10865.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].end |
10867.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].text |
這個模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].start |
10867.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].end |
10869.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].text |
把它帶到無人機協會的身上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].start |
10869.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].end |
10871.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].text |
這個很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].start |
10871.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].end |
10873.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].text |
因為其實我們講白了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].start |
10873.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].end |
10875.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].text |
日本有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].start |
10875.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].end |
10877.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].text |
日本有跟他們打交道經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].start |
10877.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].end |
10879.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].text |
航太業他們已經發展到很完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].start |
10879.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].end |
10881.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].text |
你要把這個機會帶到日本去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].start |
10881.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].end |
10883.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].text |
因為日本其實他們也在排洪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].start |
10883.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].end |
10885.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].start |
10885.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].end |
10887.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].text |
比較嚴酷的是說日本的所有無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].start |
10887.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].end |
10889.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].text |
他們的紅色工業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].start |
10889.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].end |
10891.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].text |
占比很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].start |
10891.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].end |
10893.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].text |
他們現在在排除叫去紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].start |
10893.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].end |
10895.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].text |
那其實這個是我們的商機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].start |
10895.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].end |
10897.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].text |
那最後一點其實我們還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].start |
10897.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].end |
10899.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].text |
恢復到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].start |
10899.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].end |
10901.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].text |
我們的一些宣傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].start |
10901.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].end |
10903.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].text |
其實我這邊帶了兩本冊子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].start |
10903.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].end |
10905.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].text |
那一本是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].start |
10905.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].end |
10907.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].text |
其實這邊有國防部還有內政部的一些官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].start |
10908.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].end |
10910.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].text |
這一本你在機場上都可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].start |
10910.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].end |
10912.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].text |
就是我們民航小日誌 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].start |
10912.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].end |
10914.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].text |
這個做得非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].start |
10914.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].end |
10916.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].text |
那我這一本是20年前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].start |
10916.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].end |
10918.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].text |
20年前國防部三項軍購的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].start |
10918.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].end |
10920.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].text |
他就發一個小冊子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].start |
10920.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].end |
10922.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].text |
大家都知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].start |
10922.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].end |
10924.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].text |
20年前我們都知道買了潛艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].start |
10924.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].end |
10926.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].text |
P3C帶國際飛彈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].start |
10926.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].end |
10928.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].text |
可是你如果說現在問一下一般的民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].start |
10928.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].end |
10931.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].text |
你知道我們現在要買哪七項國防裝備嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].start |
10931.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].end |
10933.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].text |
不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].start |
10933.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].end |
10935.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].text |
那無人機有幾個等級嗎?五個等級 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].start |
10935.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].end |
10937.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].text |
五個等級什麼樣的規格?不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].start |
10937.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].end |
10939.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].text |
大概參考價格什麼?都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].start |
10939.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].end |
10941.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].text |
我覺得國防部或相關的部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].start |
10941.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].end |
10943.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].text |
你可能還要多多宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].start |
10943.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].end |
10945.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].text |
那我覺得這樣民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].start |
10945.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].end |
10947.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].text |
會比較好接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].start |
10947.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].end |
10949.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].text |
那我覺得我可以用那個模型嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].start |
10951.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].end |
10953.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].text |
我搬過去啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].start |
10956.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].end |
10958.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].text |
有戴模型會比較寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].start |
10958.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].end |
10960.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].text |
好,不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].start |
10961.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].end |
10963.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].text |
不好意思,就稍微摸起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].start |
10963.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].end |
10965.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].text |
就摸起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].start |
10965.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].end |
10967.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].text |
其實我們常常說長官學長官學 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].start |
10967.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].end |
10969.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].text |
那我覺得你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].start |
10969.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].end |
10971.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].text |
應該說大家要怎麼努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].start |
10971.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].end |
10973.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].text |
來產製我們的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].start |
10973.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].end |
10975.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].text |
你看就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].start |
10975.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].end |
10977.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].text |
其實我們說什麼風群無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].start |
10977.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].end |
10979.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].text |
比如說風群那個小艇攻擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].start |
10979.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].end |
10981.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].text |
那其實你知道嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].start |
10981.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].end |
10983.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].text |
就是說好,假設我們要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].start |
10983.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].end |
10985.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].text |
四艘快點去攻擊對方的船舶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].start |
10985.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].end |
10987.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].text |
那其實這四艘小艇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].start |
10987.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].end |
10989.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].text |
它其實在航行的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].start |
10989.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].end |
10991.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].text |
會因為海流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].start |
10991.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].end |
10993.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].text |
海流的漂移 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].start |
10993.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].end |
10995.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].text |
那其實它會產生一個叫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].start |
10995.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].end |
10997.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].text |
漂移半徑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].start |
10997.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].end |
10999.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].text |
你就把它想像一個問題說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].start |
10999.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].end |
11001.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].text |
其實這四艘船它不會同一時間到達一個定點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].start |
11001.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].end |
11003.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].text |
這個叫漂移半徑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].start |
11003.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].end |
11005.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].text |
一艘船就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].start |
11005.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].end |
11007.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].text |
那你如果有十艘船,漂移半徑就不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].start |
11007.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].end |
11009.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].text |
為什麼這麼重要? |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].start |
11009.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].end |
11011.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].text |
因為其實在海上這個叫定位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].start |
11011.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].end |
11013.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].text |
這個叫精準定位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].start |
11013.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].end |
11015.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].text |
那至於說學理的驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].start |
11015.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].end |
11017.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].text |
就交給那些博士 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].start |
11017.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].end |
11019.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].text |
他們很厲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].start |
11019.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].end |
11021.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].text |
他們都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].start |
11021.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].end |
11023.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].text |
但是你說學理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].start |
11023.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].end |
11025.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].text |
漂移半徑,修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].start |
11025.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].end |
11027.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].text |
然後中間什麼AI,導航軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].start |
11027.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].end |
11029.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].text |
GPS,INX系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].start |
11029.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].end |
11031.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].text |
這些都可以去研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].start |
11031.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].end |
11033.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].text |
但是你要把這些know how |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].start |
11033.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].end |
11035.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].text |
跟產業界講,比如說我們台船或其他船長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].start |
11035.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].end |
11037.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].text |
他們都很厲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].start |
11037.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].end |
11039.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].text |
你要告訴他說,我這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].start |
11039.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].end |
11041.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].text |
要安裝什麼導航天線 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].start |
11041.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].end |
11043.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].text |
這個產業界的配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].start |
11043.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].end |
11045.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].text |
你要把規格給他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].start |
11045.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].end |
11047.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].text |
他們絕對做得出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].start |
11047.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].end |
11049.52 |
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那再牽涉到一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].start |
11049.52 |
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11051.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].text |
這個也要國防部的配合 |
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11051.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].end |
11053.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].text |
比如說,我們都知道,就二戰爭期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].start |
11053.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].end |
11055.52 |
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都知道說,這個小艇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].start |
11055.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].end |
11057.52 |
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前面要裝炸藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].start |
11057.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].end |
11059.52 |
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老師很厲害,他們都已經開發出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].start |
11059.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].end |
11061.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].text |
這個漂移半徑,什麼AI |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].start |
11061.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].end |
11063.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].text |
人工智慧都解決了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].start |
11063.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].end |
11065.52 |
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那台船也很高興,設計出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].start |
11065.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].end |
11067.52 |
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問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].start |
11066.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].end |
11068.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].text |
我要驗證炸藥 |
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11068.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].end |
11070.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].text |
我要裝炸藥去驗證 |
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11070.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].end |
11072.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].text |
光是炸藥的取得,就要跟國防部跟軍備局申請 |
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11072.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].end |
11074.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].text |
那個過程是非常非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].start |
11074.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].end |
11076.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].text |
農場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].start |
11076.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].end |
11078.59 |
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那我的意思是說,好,那我們如果說 |
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11078.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].end |
11080.59 |
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不管是無人機或無人鐵的需求下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].start |
11080.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].end |
11082.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].text |
有這個需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].start |
11082.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].end |
11084.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].text |
那你相關的產業界或國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].start |
11084.59 |
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11086.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].text |
或經濟部,它的法規的鬆綁 |
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11086.59 |
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11088.59 |
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就要跟著鬆綁 |
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11088.59 |
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11090.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].text |
那不只是試驗的場所 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].start |
11090.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].end |
11092.59 |
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比如說,像我們海域的試驗場所 |
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11092.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].end |
11094.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].text |
大部分都集中在南部的大澎灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].start |
11095.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].end |
11097.61 |
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海域比較平靜 |
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11097.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].end |
11099.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].text |
海域比較寬闊 |
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11099.61 |
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11101.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].text |
但是我們一般的業界 |
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11101.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].end |
11103.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].text |
都集中在北部 |
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11103.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].end |
11105.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].text |
所以其實我覺得,不管是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].start |
11105.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].end |
11107.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].text |
產業界的配合或法規的鬆綁 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].start |
11107.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].end |
11109.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].text |
其實都應該趁這個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].start |
11109.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].end |
11111.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].text |
趕快去解決 |
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11111.61 |
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11113.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].text |
因為其實我們不管是各單位都需要 |
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11113.61 |
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11115.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].text |
無人機無人船來對抗外面的勢力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].start |
11115.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].end |
11117.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].text |
大概是這樣子 |
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11118.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].end |
11120.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].text |
好,我們謝謝陳主任 |
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11120.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].end |
11124.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].text |
接下來請國政基金會的財政組召集人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].start |
11124.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].end |
11126.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].text |
曾俊惠、曾老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].start |
11134.24 |
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11136.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].start |
11136.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].end |
11138.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].text |
陳教授正在換下衣,就黃色的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].start |
11139.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].end |
11141.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].text |
黃色的就是下衣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].start |
11144.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].end |
11146.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].start |
11148.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].end |
11150.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].text |
有關於今天這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].start |
11150.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].end |
11152.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].text |
我大概就是簡單的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].start |
11152.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].end |
11154.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].text |
介紹兩個部分 |
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11154.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].end |
11156.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].text |
我覺得是我們討論這個議題 |
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11156.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].end |
11158.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].text |
可能今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].start |
11158.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].end |
11160.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].text |
一直到目前為止 |
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11160.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].end |
11162.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].text |
大家比較沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].start |
11162.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].end |
11164.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].text |
談太多的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].start |
11164.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].end |
11166.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].text |
第一個部分 |
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11166.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].end |
11168.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].text |
當然就是他的簡單背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].start |
11168.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].end |
11170.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].text |
他的簡單背景之所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].start |
11170.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].end |
11172.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].text |
我要特別說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].start |
11172.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].end |
11174.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].text |
主要是因為我們在思考這個問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].start |
11176.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].end |
11178.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].text |
有兩個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].start |
11178.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].end |
11180.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].text |
第一個地方就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].start |
11180.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].end |
11182.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].text |
我們要發展一個產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].start |
11182.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].end |
11184.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].text |
那我們今天強調的是 |
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11184.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].end |
11186.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].text |
無人載具這個產業我們認為很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].start |
11186.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].end |
11188.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].text |
在現在的這樣一個時代環境背景之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].start |
11188.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].end |
11190.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].text |
讓我們每一個人大概都可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].start |
11190.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].end |
11192.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].text |
接受這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].start |
11192.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].end |
11194.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].text |
討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].start |
11194.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].end |
11196.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].start |
11196.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].end |
11198.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].text |
無人載具是一個產業 |
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11198.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].end |
11200.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].text |
其他的產業 |
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11200.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].end |
11202.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].text |
假設 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].start |
11202.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].end |
11204.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].text |
我們認真的檢討的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].start |
11204.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].end |
11206.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].text |
我們會不會也要面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].start |
11206.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].end |
11208.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].text |
像我們今天這樣的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].start |
11208.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].end |
11210.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].text |
我們有沒有必要為某一個特殊產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].start |
11210.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].end |
11212.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].text |
也花那麼多的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].start |
11212.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].end |
11214.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].text |
來制定一個專法來解決問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].start |
11215.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].end |
11217.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].text |
無人載具他的特色 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].start |
11217.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].end |
11219.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].text |
他的特殊性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].start |
11218.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].end |
11220.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].text |
相對於其他的可能存在的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].start |
11220.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].end |
11222.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].text |
我們怎麼樣去看待 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].start |
11222.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].end |
11224.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].text |
這是第一個我們要思考的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].start |
11224.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].end |
11226.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].text |
那第二個呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].start |
11226.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].end |
11228.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].text |
就是那無人載具可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].start |
11228.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].end |
11230.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].text |
他比較特殊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].start |
11230.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].end |
11232.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].text |
就是因為他中間可能牽涉到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].start |
11232.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].end |
11234.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].text |
國防的自主的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].start |
11234.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].end |
11236.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].text |
他可以扮演武器的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].start |
11236.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].end |
11238.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].text |
所以他雖然 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].start |
11238.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].end |
11240.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].text |
也可以有一些民間的用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].start |
11240.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].end |
11242.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].text |
但實際上在用途之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].start |
11242.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].end |
11244.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].text |
他其實有這樣的替代的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].start |
11244.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].end |
11246.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].text |
所以讓他在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].start |
11246.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].end |
11248.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].text |
討論這個問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].start |
11248.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].end |
11250.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].text |
我們覺得有必要特別去對待 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].start |
11251.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].end |
11253.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].text |
那也因為這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].start |
11253.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].end |
11255.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].text |
有這樣的一個情況發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].start |
11255.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].end |
11257.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].text |
所以我們回到我們台灣在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].start |
11257.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].end |
11259.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].text |
立法的過程裡面的現實情況 |
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11259.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].end |
11261.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].text |
我們看到的最主要就是 |
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11261.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].end |
11263.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].text |
一開始的時候我們要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].start |
11263.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].end |
11265.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].text |
行政院提的是依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].start |
11266.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].end |
11268.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].text |
依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].start |
11267.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].end |
11269.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].text |
二五兆的採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].start |
11269.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].end |
11271.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].text |
那在這個採購當中我們把 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].start |
11271.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].end |
11273.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].text |
無人載具的部分放在裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].start |
11273.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].end |
11275.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].text |
那最後的結果呢是過了七千八 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].start |
11275.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].end |
11277.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].text |
所以被刪掉了四千 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].start |
11277.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].end |
11279.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].text |
四千七百億的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].start |
11279.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].end |
11281.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].start |
11281.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].end |
11283.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].text |
那個部分大部分都是在所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].start |
11283.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].end |
11285.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].text |
無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].start |
11285.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].end |
11287.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].text |
所以因此呢就行政院的角度來看 |
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11287.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].end |
11289.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].text |
他覺得他有必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].start |
11290.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].end |
11292.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].text |
為了這四千七百億被 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].start |
11293.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].end |
11295.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].text |
刪掉了以後來爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].start |
11295.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].end |
11297.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].text |
補救的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].start |
11297.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].end |
11299.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].text |
所以他就成立了另外一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].start |
11299.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].end |
11301.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].start |
11301.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].end |
11303.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].start |
11303.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].end |
11305.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].text |
這個條例就是我們今天談的主要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].start |
11305.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].end |
11307.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].text |
的部分就是國防自主無人載具的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].start |
11307.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].end |
11309.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].text |
這個採購特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].start |
11309.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].end |
11311.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].text |
那也因為他的背景是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].start |
11311.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].end |
11313.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].text |
所以你會發覺他的重點是在採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].start |
11313.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].end |
11315.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].text |
因為前面那個是買是採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].start |
11315.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].end |
11317.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].text |
所以他現在是為了補他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].start |
11317.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].end |
11319.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].text |
所以因此他還是在採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].start |
11320.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].end |
11322.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].text |
那也因為這樣所以我們剛剛提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].start |
11322.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].end |
11324.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].text |
如果光是講採購那採購跟產業的發展有什麼關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].start |
11326.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].end |
11328.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].text |
所以因此呢就會引起的更多的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].start |
11328.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].end |
11330.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].text |
更多的不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].start |
11330.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].end |
11332.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].text |
這個這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].start |
11332.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].end |
11334.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].text |
這個在野黨的希望能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].start |
11334.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].end |
11336.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].text |
提版本除了講採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].start |
11336.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].end |
11338.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].text |
的國防部分的軍事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].start |
11338.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].end |
11340.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].text |
的概念以外希望能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].start |
11340.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].end |
11342.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].text |
也回到產業本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].start |
11342.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].end |
11344.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].text |
來看看可不可以找到更好的答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].start |
11344.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].end |
11346.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].text |
來支持他所以因此就形成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].start |
11346.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].end |
11348.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].text |
很多版本包括我們召集人的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].start |
11348.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].end |
11350.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].text |
說實在其實召集人的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].start |
11350.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].end |
11352.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].text |
說實在的他重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].start |
11352.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].end |
11354.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].text |
其實反而不是在採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].start |
11354.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].end |
11356.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].text |
他其實是在於這個產業的整個的合理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].start |
11356.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].end |
11358.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].text |
更妥善的建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].start |
11358.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].end |
11360.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].text |
所以也因為這樣大家可以看這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].start |
11360.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].end |
11362.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].text |
背景的本身就可以知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].start |
11362.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].end |
11364.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].text |
那我們現在看這個問題我們要我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].start |
11364.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].end |
11366.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].text |
法治到底在什麼樣的框架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].start |
11366.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].end |
11368.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].text |
什麼樣的完善的結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].start |
11368.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].end |
11370.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].text |
之下去定位他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].start |
11370.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].end |
11372.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].text |
我覺得這個是我們比較更重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].start |
11372.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].end |
11374.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].text |
那如果這個問題沒有搞清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].start |
11374.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].end |
11376.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].text |
我們沒有辦法去談 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].start |
11376.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].end |
11378.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].text |
我們這個所謂的特別條例本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].start |
11378.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].end |
11380.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].text |
內容的合理性到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].start |
11381.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].end |
11383.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].text |
該是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].start |
11384.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].end |
11386.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].text |
在這個情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].start |
11386.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].end |
11388.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].text |
接下來就幫大家整理一個很簡單的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].start |
11388.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].end |
11390.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].text |
幾個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].start |
11390.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].end |
11392.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].text |
重要的版本的比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].start |
11392.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].end |
11394.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].text |
包括我們召集人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].start |
11394.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].end |
11396.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].text |
我用兩個部分一個是制度的定位的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].start |
11396.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].end |
11398.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].text |
一個是所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].start |
11398.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].end |
11400.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].text |
這個治理的理念的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].start |
11400.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].end |
11402.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].text |
因為時間的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].start |
11402.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].end |
11404.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].text |
就不詳細的每一個都講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].start |
11404.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].end |
11406.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].text |
但是大體上我們可以看得出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].start |
11406.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].end |
11408.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].text |
如果我們從我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].start |
11408.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].end |
11410.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].text |
整理的這張表裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].start |
11410.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].end |
11412.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].text |
的幾個項目來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].start |
11412.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].end |
11414.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].text |
在各個版本當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].start |
11414.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].end |
11416.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].text |
你可以看得很清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].start |
11416.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].end |
11418.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].text |
知道行政院版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].start |
11418.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].end |
11420.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].text |
特別強調的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].start |
11420.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].end |
11422.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].text |
部分就是國防自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].start |
11422.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].end |
11424.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].text |
跟所謂的採購制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].start |
11425.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].end |
11427.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].text |
的改革這是部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].start |
11427.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].end |
11429.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].text |
我們如果相對我們召集人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].start |
11429.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].end |
11431.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].text |
版本就看出來其實它的重點放在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].start |
11431.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].end |
11433.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].text |
產業政策科技的治理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].start |
11433.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].end |
11435.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].text |
包括供應鏈的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].start |
11435.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].end |
11437.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].text |
包括創新新的生態 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].start |
11437.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].end |
11439.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].text |
所以很顯然它重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].start |
11439.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].end |
11441.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].text |
其實放的是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].start |
11441.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].end |
11443.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].text |
如果你要跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].start |
11443.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].end |
11445.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].text |
我們召集人的版本比較相近的其實是民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].start |
11445.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].end |
11447.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].text |
的版本它某些部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].start |
11447.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].end |
11449.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].text |
強調的重點比較類似 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].start |
11449.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].end |
11451.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].text |
這樣幾個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].start |
11451.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].end |
11453.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].text |
之間的差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].start |
11453.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].end |
11455.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].text |
所以我們要把這個都擺在我們面前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].start |
11455.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].end |
11457.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].text |
立法院在審議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].start |
11457.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].end |
11459.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].text |
我們到底是應該要用什麼樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].start |
11459.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].end |
11461.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].text |
一個政策的理念去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].start |
11461.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].end |
11463.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].text |
切入我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].start |
11463.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].end |
11465.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].text |
要怎麼樣去做調和 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].start |
11465.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].end |
11467.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].text |
這是決定了我們未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].start |
11467.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].end |
11469.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].text |
立法院在討論這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].start |
11469.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].end |
11471.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].text |
最後所決定的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].start |
11471.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].end |
11473.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].text |
到底是不是一個真正的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].start |
11473.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].end |
11475.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].text |
符合我們台灣需求的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].start |
11475.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].end |
11477.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].text |
最後的結果的一個關鍵所在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].start |
11477.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].end |
11479.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].start |
11479.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].end |
11481.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].text |
我就花了一點時間把它做整理了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].start |
11481.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].end |
11483.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].text |
接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].start |
11483.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].end |
11487.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].text |
用基本上如果要在一個設計法制的概念之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].start |
11487.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].end |
11489.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].text |
我們所應該要進行的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].start |
11489.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].end |
11491.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].text |
大概去做個思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].start |
11491.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].end |
11493.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].text |
那其中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].start |
11493.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].end |
11495.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].text |
當然就是我認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].start |
11495.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].end |
11497.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].text |
我們訂了一個法律這個新的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].start |
11497.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].end |
11499.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].text |
到底我們要怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].start |
11499.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].end |
11501.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].text |
定位它 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].start |
11501.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].end |
11503.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].text |
在現有已有的法律當中我們怎麼樣讓它 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].start |
11504.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].end |
11506.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].text |
進來了以後扮演一個合理的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].start |
11506.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].end |
11508.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].text |
所以在這種情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].start |
11508.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].end |
11510.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].text |
我們就回頭來看這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].start |
11510.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].end |
11512.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].text |
我們從預算產業跟採購這三個的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].start |
11512.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].end |
11514.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].text |
我有一個簡單的圖 |
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就是我們要發展這個產業 |
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我們當然需要有經費 |
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所以經費是最外層 |
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然後中間這一層是我們的概念 |
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是要支持這個產業我們要發展產業 |
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要花錢 |
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然後在產業發展過程裡面 |
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我們又發現了其實用採購制度的設計 |
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在執行的過程裡面 |
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11534.76 |
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有機會幫助這個產業發展 |
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11536.76 |
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所以這樣一個一環一環的下來以後 |
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我們發覺 |
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就我們今天所討論的 |
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這個 |
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11544.41 |
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無人機宅業的產業它比較特別 |
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就是它採購 |
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11548.41 |
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它可以有所謂的軍用 |
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11550.41 |
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跟民用的 |
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11552.41 |
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它在產業的發展裡面 |
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它可以使得 |
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使用在所謂的國防的部分 |
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它也可以使用在非國防 |
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就是一般的民間部分 |
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11562.07 |
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然後在預算的經費來源裡面 |
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我們牽涉到的是會有特別的預算 |
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11566.07 |
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或是來自有年度的所謂的總預算 |
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那在這種情況下 |
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它既然有三層的這樣的概念 |
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11572.07 |
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如果再加上我剛剛講的 |
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11574.07 |
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國防、民間、軍用、民用 |
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11576.07 |
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再加上特別跟總預算 |
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11576.07 |
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11578.07 |
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之間的關係 |
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11580.07 |
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你就會發覺我們在立法的時候 |
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11582.07 |
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這其實是我們所面對的最大的困擾 |
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11584.07 |
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這也是我們現在看到每一個不同的版本 |
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11586.07 |
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之間所形成的狀況 |
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就是有的版本它把重點放在產業的發展 |
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11590.07 |
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有的版本它放在 |
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11592.07 |
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採購制度的設立 |
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11594.07 |
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那怎麼樣解決這個問題呢 |
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11598.07 |
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那我個人提出就是我們要用三層雙軌的方式 |
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11600.07 |
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第一個先把我們現在有關的 |
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11602.07 |
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現有的 |
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11605.31 |
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法律先找出來 |
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11605.31 |
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11607.31 |
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譬如說政府採購法 |
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11607.31 |
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11609.31 |
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譬如說產業廠商條例 |
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11609.31 |
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11611.31 |
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譬如說國防產業發展條例 |
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11613.31 |
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這都已經現有了 |
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11611.11 |
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11613.11 |
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那我們接下來我們現在新的要放在哪裡 |
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11614.65 |
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11616.65 |
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那我自己經過思考以後 |
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我覺得我們三層 |
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11620.65 |
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第一個是從治理的對象 |
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11622.65 |
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第二個從功能上來看分流 |
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11624.65 |
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第三個從執行制度的本身 |
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11626.65 |
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管理上來去做區隔 |
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我覺得我們今天談的 |
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11630.65 |
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那個所謂的國防自主 |
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11632.65 |
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無人載具採購特別條例 |
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11632.65 |
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11634.65 |
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應該要放到第三層的 |
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11636.65 |
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那個位置 |
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11638.65 |
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左下角的位置 |
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11640.65 |
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但是在這樣的情況下 |
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11642.65 |
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它只是專注於採購 |
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11642.65 |
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11644.65 |
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能夠發揮產業的發展 |
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11644.65 |
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11646.65 |
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所以真正的無人採具的 |
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11646.65 |
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11648.65 |
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發展應該要到 |
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11648.65 |
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11650.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].text |
最上層 |
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11650.65 |
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11652.65 |
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所以其實立法院不只是 |
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11652.98 |
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11654.98 |
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去考慮下層的採購而已 |
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11654.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].end |
11656.98 |
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更應該要著力的去找 |
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11656.98 |
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11658.98 |
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無人載具 |
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11658.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].end |
11660.98 |
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系統發展的整個 |
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11660.98 |
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11662.98 |
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基本環境的 |
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11662.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].end |
11664.98 |
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建構的那個條例 |
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11664.98 |
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11666.98 |
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那個法律才是關鍵 |
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11666.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].end |
11668.98 |
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那個法律 |
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11668.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].end |
11670.98 |
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其實某種程度上比較趨近於 |
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11670.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].end |
11672.98 |
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我們召集人所提的那個版本 |
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11673.41 |
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11675.41 |
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所以我的建議是 |
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11675.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].end |
11677.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].text |
我們原則上要有三層的概念 |
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11677.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].end |
11679.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].text |
然後在法律的概念 |
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11679.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].end |
11681.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].text |
如果我們真的是關心台灣的這個 |
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11681.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].end |
11683.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].text |
無人載具的這個未來的發展的話 |
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11683.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].end |
11685.56 |
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我們其實不能 |
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11685.56 |
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11687.56 |
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只是討論採購部分 |
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11687.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].end |
11689.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].text |
如何強化買無人載具 |
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11689.56 |
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11691.56 |
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而已 更重要的是 |
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11691.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].end |
11693.56 |
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無人載具的整體環境的那個部分 |
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11693.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].end |
11695.56 |
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那如果我們在法制的建構上 |
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11695.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].end |
11697.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].text |
能夠有這樣三個層次 |
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11697.81 |
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11699.81 |
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我們就可以利用它 |
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11699.81 |
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11701.81 |
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跟現有的法律之間 |
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11701.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].end |
11703.81 |
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做合理的融合跟搭配 |
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11703.81 |
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11705.81 |
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如果是國防的部分的話 |
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11705.81 |
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11707.81 |
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可以按照我現在的圖表裡面講 |
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11707.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].end |
11709.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].text |
國防可以經過國防產業發展法 |
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11709.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].end |
11711.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].text |
然後最後到我們 |
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11711.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].end |
11713.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].text |
現在所討論的採購的部分的 |
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11713.81 |
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11715.81 |
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強化 或者是在民間的部分 |
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11715.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].end |
11717.81 |
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我們也可以利用已經具有的產業 |
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11717.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].end |
11719.81 |
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創新的條例去享受 |
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11719.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].end |
11721.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].text |
一些具有的輔導措施 |
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11721.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].end |
11723.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].text |
然後在採購的部分我們可以 |
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11723.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].end |
11725.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].text |
回到正常的體制的政府採購法當中 |
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11725.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].end |
11727.81 |
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所以假設我們能夠 |
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11727.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].end |
11729.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].text |
有這樣雙軌的體系 |
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11729.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].end |
11731.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].text |
有三個層次的不同 |
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11731.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].end |
11733.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].text |
概念之下所建立起來的 |
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11733.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].end |
11735.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].text |
新的法跟舊的法之間的相互融合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].start |
11735.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].end |
11737.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].text |
我覺得這個是我們立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].start |
11737.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].end |
11739.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].text |
未來在討論那麼多的版本的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].start |
11739.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].end |
11741.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].text |
這個不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].start |
11741.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].end |
11743.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].text |
這個內容的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].start |
11743.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].end |
11745.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].text |
相關的法律過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].start |
11745.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].end |
11747.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].text |
最好的一個解決方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].start |
11747.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].end |
11749.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].text |
這是我對這個問題的看法提供參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].start |
11749.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].end |
11751.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].start |
11752.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].end |
11754.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].text |
好 非常謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].start |
11754.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].end |
11756.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].text |
曾老師 曾召集人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].start |
11756.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].end |
11758.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].text |
謝謝老師的抬愛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].start |
11758.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].end |
11760.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].text |
特別把我的版本也量來做比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].start |
11760.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].end |
11762.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].text |
不過很可惜那個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].start |
11762.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].end |
11764.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].text |
因為後來受到在野黨的抵制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].start |
11764.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].end |
11766.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].text |
一直沒有辦法交互審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].start |
11766.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].end |
11768.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].text |
現在還擱置在我們的程序委員會裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].start |
11768.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].end |
11770.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].text |
那後來我也被迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].start |
11770.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].end |
11772.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].text |
另提一個版本稍微調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].start |
11772.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].end |
11774.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].text |
避免民眾黨的懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].start |
11774.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].end |
11776.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].text |
因為剛剛從您的分析當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].start |
11776.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].end |
11778.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].text |
我的雷同住最高是民眾黨黨團 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].start |
11778.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].end |
11780.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].text |
不曉得是不是因此遭到抵制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].start |
11780.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].end |
11782.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].text |
我們接下來就有請我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].start |
11782.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].end |
11784.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].text |
14位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].start |
11784.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].end |
11786.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].text |
我們國立政治大學的陳柏良陳教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].start |
11786.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].end |
11788.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].start |
11788.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].end |
11790.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].start |
11801.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].end |
11803.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].text |
好 主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].start |
11803.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].end |
11805.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].text |
在場各位先進還有各位委員大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].start |
11805.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].end |
11807.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].text |
今天非常榮幸是有機會受邀到這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].start |
11807.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].end |
11809.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].text |
那我從上禮拜受到電話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].start |
11809.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].end |
11811.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].text |
那個什麼受邀來這裡以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].start |
11811.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].end |
11813.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].text |
我就跟曾老師一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].start |
11813.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].end |
11815.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].text |
是很嚴肅的把目前我手上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].start |
11815.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].end |
11817.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].text |
和網路上看到7個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].start |
11817.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].end |
11819.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].text |
然後很快的做一次研究跟比對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].start |
11819.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].end |
11821.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].text |
那我就 因為我知道今天時間有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].start |
11821.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].end |
11823.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].text |
所以我先整理一份powerpoint |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].start |
11823.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].end |
11825.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].text |
一個印出來給大家參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].start |
11826.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].end |
11828.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].text |
從這7個版本的比較研究裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].start |
11828.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].end |
11830.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].text |
其實我跟意見其實有蠻多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].start |
11830.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].end |
11832.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].text |
跟曾老師剛剛的意見是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].start |
11832.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].end |
11834.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].text |
因為我在研究這個版本的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].start |
11834.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].end |
11836.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].text |
第一個注意到的是各個版本的主管機關非常混亂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].start |
11836.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].end |
11838.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].text |
有些講的是國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].start |
11838.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].end |
11840.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].text |
有些講的是經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].start |
11840.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].end |
11842.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].text |
有些講的是要成立特別委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].start |
11842.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].end |
11844.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].text |
那我那時候就開始想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].start |
11844.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].end |
11846.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].text |
為什麼主管機關會差這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].start |
11848.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].end |
11850.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].text |
那就是看主管機關大家就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].start |
11850.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].end |
11852.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].text |
就是各種主管機關都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].start |
11852.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].end |
11854.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].text |
那接下來我就注意到一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].start |
11854.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].end |
11856.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].text |
因為各個版本一開始其實我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].start |
11856.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].end |
11858.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].text |
算看到7個版本了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].start |
11858.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].end |
11860.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].text |
但事實上基本上是兩個軸線或兩個方向在走 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].start |
11860.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].end |
11862.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].text |
第一個是國防特別採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].start |
11863.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].end |
11865.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].text |
第二個是產業發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].start |
11865.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].end |
11867.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].text |
那其實我剛剛我的意見其實跟曾老師的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].start |
11867.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].end |
11869.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].text |
是非常 曾教授的意見是非常接近 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].start |
11869.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].end |
11871.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].text |
就認為國防採購跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].start |
11872.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].end |
11874.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].text |
產業發展應該是雙軌制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].start |
11874.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].end |
11876.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].text |
所以如果這樣立法體力來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].start |
11876.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].end |
11878.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].text |
或主管機關的角度來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].start |
11878.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].end |
11880.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].text |
應該是拆成兩部立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].start |
11880.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].end |
11882.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].text |
而不是應該合成一本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].start |
11882.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].end |
11884.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].text |
那這個部分就跟那次保委員的那個提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].start |
11884.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].end |
11886.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].text |
大方向上很接近是應該拆成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].start |
11886.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].end |
11888.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].text |
拆成兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].start |
11888.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].end |
11890.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].text |
那我也認為是如果既然拆成兩個的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].start |
11890.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].end |
11892.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].text |
那應該就分開審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].start |
11892.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].end |
11894.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].text |
國防採購條例那就由那個國防委員會審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].start |
11894.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].end |
11896.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].text |
那產業生技條例或產業發展條例的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].start |
11896.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].end |
11898.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].text |
那就把它當成是經濟委員會來審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].start |
11898.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].end |
11900.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].text |
這是第一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].start |
11900.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].end |
11902.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].start |
11901.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].end |
11903.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].text |
所以我就認為是預算跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].start |
11903.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].end |
11905.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].text |
國防預算跟產業應該要分流 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].start |
11907.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].end |
11909.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].text |
好,那下一個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].start |
11909.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].end |
11911.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].text |
另外一個問題就是我們台灣在2019年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].start |
11911.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].end |
11913.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].text |
已經曾經通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].start |
11913.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].end |
11915.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].text |
無人載具科技創新實驗條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].start |
11915.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].end |
11917.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].text |
那再來就是我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].start |
11917.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].end |
11919.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].text |
在面對就剛剛不管是產業界的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].start |
11919.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].end |
11921.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].text |
在表達意見的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].start |
11921.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].end |
11923.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].text |
一直在反應是說不管是認證的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].start |
11923.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].end |
11925.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].text |
手續非常繁雜,不管是經濟部交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].start |
11925.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].end |
11927.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].text |
民航局什麼,要跑各個單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].start |
11927.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].end |
11929.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].text |
像大地遊戲一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].start |
11929.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].end |
11931.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].text |
那再來就是不管是空中的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].start |
11931.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].end |
11933.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].text |
地上的水上的,要跑的也通通不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].start |
11933.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].end |
11935.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].text |
要跑的單位不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].start |
11935.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].end |
11937.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].text |
而且再來是先測試還是先認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].start |
11937.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].end |
11939.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].text |
這個問題始終一直非常困擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].start |
11939.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].end |
11941.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].text |
那如果是從這個角度來看的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].start |
11941.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].end |
11943.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].text |
我們現在去思考一個問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].start |
11943.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].end |
11945.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].text |
我們與其去想一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].start |
11945.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].end |
11947.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].text |
完全嶄新的無人載具或 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].start |
11947.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].end |
11949.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].text |
無人機的產業發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].start |
11949.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].end |
11951.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].text |
我的建議是說我們回頭來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].start |
11951.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].end |
11953.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].text |
第一個我們現行的民航法怎麼規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].start |
11953.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].end |
11955.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].text |
第二個我們先來看我們2019年當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].start |
11955.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].end |
11957.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].text |
過的那個無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].start |
11957.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].end |
11959.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].text |
產業創新發展條例,當時怎麼寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].start |
11959.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].end |
11961.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].text |
那我的目前我的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].start |
11961.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].end |
11963.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].text |
立法建議是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].start |
11963.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].end |
11965.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].text |
我們目前就是各個委員提出來這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].start |
11965.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].end |
11967.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].text |
所謂的產業創新發展條例這版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].start |
11967.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].end |
11969.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].text |
去跟既有的2019年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].start |
11969.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].end |
11971.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].text |
無人載具產業創新條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].start |
11971.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].end |
11973.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].text |
去做整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].start |
11973.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].end |
11975.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].text |
直接開始銜接,否則我們當時會出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].start |
11975.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].end |
11977.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].text |
通過一個新法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].start |
11977.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].end |
11979.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].text |
舊法又沒有廢掉,那就變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].start |
11979.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].end |
11981.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].text |
疊床架物,那如果是從這兩個法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].start |
11982.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].end |
11984.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].text |
不管是民航法還是2019年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].start |
11984.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].end |
11986.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].text |
那個無人載具產業創新條例的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].start |
11986.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].end |
11988.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].text |
我們先來看哪些東西需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].start |
11988.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].end |
11990.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].text |
調整,那第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].start |
11990.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].end |
11992.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].text |
我們在2019年那個無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].start |
11992.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].end |
11994.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].text |
產業創新條例最大的問題就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].start |
11994.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].end |
11996.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].text |
租管機關只是經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].start |
11996.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].end |
11998.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].text |
稅收導致說經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].start |
11998.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].end |
12000.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].text |
馬賽克 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].start |
12000.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].end |
12002.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].text |
他跟交通部的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].start |
12002.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].end |
12004.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].text |
跟國防部的關係,跟NCC的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].start |
12004.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].end |
12006.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].text |
那這個就出現很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].start |
12006.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].end |
12008.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].text |
很進合的部分,那當然就行政成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].start |
12008.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].end |
12010.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].text |
會非常高,那所以我的建議是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].start |
12010.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].end |
12012.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].text |
如果我們要特設一個委員會的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].start |
12012.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].end |
12014.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].text |
那應該拉高層級,而且是長設化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].start |
12014.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].end |
12016.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].text |
把他拉到行政院那個層級 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].start |
12016.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].end |
12018.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].text |
那我已經有看到不管是民眾黨的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].start |
12018.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].end |
12020.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].text |
或是有其中,不管是或中委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].start |
12020.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].end |
12022.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].text |
版本也都有提到類似的問題,就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].start |
12022.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].end |
12024.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].text |
成立特別委員會,那這個委員會的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].start |
12024.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].end |
12026.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].text |
至少要有政務委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].start |
12026.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].end |
12028.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].text |
或是副院長那個等級來做造詫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].start |
12028.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].end |
12030.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].text |
現在也是要把它長設化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].start |
12030.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].end |
12032.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].text |
才有辦法做單一窗口 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].start |
12032.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].end |
12034.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].text |
不管是認證的監管上的單一窗口來進行整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].start |
12034.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].end |
12036.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].text |
那包括還有我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].start |
12036.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].end |
12038.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].text |
今天一直在討論測試場域要怎麼規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].start |
12038.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].end |
12040.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].text |
還有所謂的空中走廊應該怎麼規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].start |
12040.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].end |
12042.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].text |
還有在產品上市的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].start |
12042.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].end |
12044.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].text |
門檻,資安 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].start |
12044.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].end |
12046.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].text |
還有或是那個沙盒的部分怎麼規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].start |
12046.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].end |
12048.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].text |
我認為是這個已經要走到跨部會的層級 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].start |
12050.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].end |
12052.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].text |
好,那下一個就是我們剛剛在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].start |
12052.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].end |
12056.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].text |
如果是2019年那個無人載具產業創新條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].start |
12056.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].end |
12059.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].text |
我們當時在第六條,只有寫了一個是審查會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].start |
12059.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].end |
12061.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].text |
但是那個審查會議是主案式、個案式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].start |
12061.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].end |
12063.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].text |
而不是一個長設化的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].start |
12063.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].end |
12066.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].text |
那我的建議是說,如果我們要把它變成是一個跨部會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].start |
12066.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].end |
12070.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].text |
由行政院那個等級的跨部會的一個長設的會議的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].start |
12070.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].end |
12072.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].text |
第一個我們要長設化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].start |
12072.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].end |
12074.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].text |
第二個是,不只是提高層級 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].start |
12074.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].end |
12076.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].text |
第三個是我們要納入外部委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].start |
12076.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].end |
12078.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].text |
那接著我們從今天的整個公聽會裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].start |
12078.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].end |
12082.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].text |
也會注意到,各個產業界的專家也都在表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].start |
12083.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].end |
12086.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].text |
無人載具的它的迭代更新的速度非常快 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].start |
12086.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].end |
12088.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].text |
所以就變成,如果我們在這個委員會成立的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].start |
12088.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].end |
12091.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].text |
我建議是第一個,不但要納入外部專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].start |
12091.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].end |
12093.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].text |
主要是在於是要向民間染財 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].start |
12093.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].end |
12095.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].text |
那如果一旦長設化跟民間染財的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].start |
12095.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].end |
12097.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].text |
我們就必須要克服兩個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].start |
12097.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].end |
12099.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].text |
第一個是我們目前的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].start |
12099.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].end |
12101.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].text |
那個什麼行政院總員而法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].start |
12101.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].end |
12103.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].text |
我們對那個總員而法那個人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].start |
12103.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].end |
12106.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].text |
這邊就必須要去做一個排除的例外適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].start |
12106.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].end |
12108.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].text |
那再來第二個就是我們對那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].start |
12108.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].end |
12110.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].text |
現在公務員的奉及法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].start |
12110.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].end |
12112.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].text |
依照傳統的公務員長設的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].start |
12112.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].end |
12114.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].text |
那個標準的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].start |
12114.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].end |
12116.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].text |
其實會不會在產業界很難染財 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].start |
12116.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].end |
12118.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].text |
很難染財 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].start |
12118.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].end |
12120.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].text |
所以我的建議是在這邊如果要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].start |
12120.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].end |
12122.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].text |
修正,不管是要修我們的產業創新條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].start |
12122.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].end |
12124.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].text |
或是各個委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].start |
12124.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].end |
12126.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].text |
不管是那個中委員、賴委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].start |
12126.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].end |
12128.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].text |
或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].start |
12128.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].end |
12130.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].text |
民眾版本或其他各個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].start |
12130.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].end |
12132.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].text |
在提案說那個委員會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].start |
12132.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].end |
12134.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].text |
委員的來源還有裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].start |
12134.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].end |
12136.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].text |
那個委員會裡面的組成方式的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].start |
12136.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].end |
12138.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].text |
我建議這個部分是要納進來考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].start |
12140.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].end |
12142.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].text |
好,那接下來是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].start |
12142.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].end |
12144.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].text |
有一個蠻重要的問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].start |
12144.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].end |
12146.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].text |
我們一直在討論說怎麼不只是跟民間攬炸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].start |
12146.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].end |
12148.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].text |
還有鼓勵中小企業或是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].start |
12148.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].end |
12150.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].text |
民間的資本能夠投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].start |
12150.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].end |
12151.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].text |
這個無人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].start |
12151.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].end |
12153.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].text |
不管是無人載具或是無人機長期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].start |
12153.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].end |
12155.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].text |
這個產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].start |
12155.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].end |
12157.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].text |
但是我們必須強調是說如果從 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].start |
12157.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].end |
12159.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].text |
非安的角度來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].start |
12159.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].end |
12160.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].text |
非安永遠是第一 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].start |
12160.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].end |
12162.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].text |
那我們也看到上個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].start |
12162.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].end |
12164.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].text |
26號在北京的那個中興大廈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].start |
12164.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].end |
12167.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].text |
也曾經發生過撞到大廈的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].start |
12167.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].end |
12169.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].text |
所以我其實認為是說我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].start |
12169.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].end |
12171.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].text |
如果在制定那個產業發展條例的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].start |
12171.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].end |
12173.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].text |
一方面是我們的民航法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].start |
12173.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].end |
12175.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].text |
99之1到19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].start |
12175.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].end |
12177.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].text |
那邊過去對於遙控無人機的一些規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].start |
12177.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].end |
12179.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].text |
其實第一個他當時想的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].start |
12179.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].end |
12181.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].text |
市區內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].start |
12181.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].end |
12183.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].text |
而且他規定是不能夜間飛行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].start |
12183.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].end |
12185.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].text |
而且不能投資任何東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].start |
12185.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].end |
12187.16 |
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那我的建議是民航法那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].start |
12187.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].end |
12189.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].text |
當時修正的時候是2018年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].start |
12189.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].end |
12191.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].text |
我們也知道2018到現在已經過了8年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].start |
12191.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].end |
12193.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].text |
當時無人機長跟現在已經完全不合適了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].start |
12193.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].end |
12195.75 |
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所以就變成我們民航法 |
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12195.75 |
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12197.75 |
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99之1到19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].start |
12197.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].end |
12199.75 |
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必須要重新制定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].start |
12199.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].end |
12201.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].text |
那我個人的研究是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].start |
12201.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].end |
12203.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].text |
美國目前是FAA他們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].start |
12203.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].end |
12205.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].text |
傳統規定無人機是在part 107 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].start |
12205.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].end |
12207.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].text |
但是今年有一個 |
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12207.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].end |
12209.75 |
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part 108是草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].start |
12209.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].end |
12211.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].text |
那已經公開了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].start |
12211.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].end |
12213.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].text |
那預計是今年秋天有可能就會正式頒布 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].start |
12213.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].end |
12215.75 |
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那所以我的建議是說如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].start |
12215.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].end |
12217.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].text |
因為剛剛蠻多學者專家或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].start |
12217.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].end |
12219.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].text |
產業界的代表都要反應說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].start |
12219.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].end |
12221.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].text |
那個法規其實很難適用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].start |
12221.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].end |
12223.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].text |
那我也同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].start |
12225.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].end |
12227.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].text |
美國有注意到這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].start |
12227.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].end |
12229.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].text |
所以美國把它放在行政命令那個層級 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].start |
12229.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].end |
12231.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].text |
不是放在法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].start |
12231.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].end |
12233.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].text |
所以就變成是說每一次產業迭代更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].start |
12233.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].end |
12235.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].text |
或技術創新的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].start |
12235.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].end |
12237.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].text |
不用每一次再來走他們參眾兩院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].start |
12237.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].end |
12239.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].text |
那個三讀通過的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].start |
12239.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].end |
12241.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].text |
也不用再走立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].start |
12241.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].end |
12243.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].text |
我的建議是比較接近我們類似 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].start |
12243.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].end |
12245.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].text |
那個急性傳染病防治法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].start |
12245.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].end |
12247.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].text |
我們當急性傳染病防治法在制定的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].start |
12247.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].end |
12249.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].text |
我們無法想像2003年無法想像是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].start |
12249.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].end |
12251.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].text |
2019年2020年會出現一個COVID-19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].start |
12251.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].end |
12253.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].text |
所以就變成我們應該是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].start |
12253.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].end |
12255.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].text |
要仿照這個模式要先定一個框架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].start |
12255.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].end |
12257.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].text |
是立法以後要必須授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].start |
12257.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].end |
12259.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].text |
這個跨部會新的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].start |
12259.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].end |
12261.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].text |
跟委員會由他來發布行政命令 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].start |
12261.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].end |
12263.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].text |
然後才有辦法去做一個疊代更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].start |
12263.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].end |
12265.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].text |
跟行政命令能夠針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].start |
12265.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].end |
12267.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].text |
這個非安的那個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].start |
12267.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].end |
12269.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].text |
去制定新的規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].start |
12269.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].end |
12271.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].text |
我們台灣目前如果要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].start |
12271.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].end |
12273.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].text |
剛剛也有蠻多產業界代表或是學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].start |
12273.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].end |
12275.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].text |
在討論說怎麼跟國際接軌 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].start |
12275.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].end |
12277.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].text |
那還不管是我們要採購的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].start |
12277.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].end |
12279.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].text |
或是目前技術合作的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].start |
12279.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].end |
12281.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].text |
很大一部分是跟美國的廠商或是美國技術對接 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].start |
12281.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].end |
12283.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].text |
那所以美國FAA的108 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].start |
12283.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].end |
12285.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].text |
他們用行政命令的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].start |
12285.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].end |
12287.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].text |
怎麼樣轉換 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].start |
12287.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].end |
12289.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].text |
成台灣的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].start |
12289.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].end |
12291.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].text |
那才有辦法讓我們在不管是安全性的認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].start |
12291.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].end |
12293.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].text |
或是其他的認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].start |
12293.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].end |
12295.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].text |
不管是資安安全性或機體的認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].start |
12295.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].end |
12297.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].text |
能夠開始跟國際對接 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].start |
12297.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].end |
12299.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].text |
那這個不只是促進台灣產業界 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].start |
12299.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].end |
12301.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].text |
跟國際的對接的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].start |
12301.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].end |
12303.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].text |
還有在將來出口的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].start |
12303.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].end |
12305.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].text |
我們才能減少我們的出口 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].start |
12305.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].end |
12307.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].text |
的一些成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].start |
12307.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].end |
12309.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].text |
這是一些對非安的想像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].start |
12309.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].end |
12311.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].text |
那所以最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].start |
12311.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].end |
12313.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].text |
簡單來說我的建議有四點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].start |
12313.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].end |
12315.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].text |
第一個建議是說我們是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].start |
12315.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].end |
12317.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].text |
那個採購條例跟產業發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].start |
12317.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].end |
12319.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].text |
應該分流立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].start |
12319.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].end |
12321.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].text |
第二個是說我們在制定產業條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].start |
12321.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].end |
12323.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].text |
或是要在討論各個版本產業條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].start |
12323.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].end |
12325.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].text |
我的建議是把之前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].start |
12325.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].end |
12327.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].text |
無人載具實驗創新 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].start |
12327.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].end |
12329.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].text |
條例拿進來我們一起重新 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].start |
12329.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].end |
12331.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].text |
來思考到底是要制定一個新的法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].start |
12331.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].end |
12333.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].text |
然後把舊的法廢掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].start |
12333.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].end |
12335.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].text |
還是我們直接去修當年2019年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].start |
12335.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].end |
12337.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].text |
那個無人載具產業創新條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].start |
12337.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].end |
12339.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].text |
第三個是主管機關的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].start |
12339.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].end |
12341.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].text |
我會認為是既有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].start |
12341.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].end |
12343.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].text |
不管是經濟部產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].start |
12343.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].end |
12345.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].text |
或是我們民航法用民航局 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].start |
12345.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].end |
12347.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].text |
來管制做監管機關的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].start |
12347.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].end |
12349.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].text |
因為接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].start |
12349.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].end |
12351.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].text |
剛剛有很多專家都討論到是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].start |
12351.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].end |
12353.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].text |
接下來無人載具它已經是空中飛的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].start |
12353.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].end |
12355.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].text |
地上走的跟水上游的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].start |
12355.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].end |
12357.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].text |
它沒辦法再用一個民航局單一的機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].start |
12357.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].end |
12359.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].text |
來承載 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].start |
12359.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].end |
12361.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].text |
所以我們設計的不只是主管機關還有包括監管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].start |
12361.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].end |
12363.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].text |
應該要往上拉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].start |
12363.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].end |
12365.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].text |
因為已經到時候想是一個多功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].start |
12365.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].end |
12367.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].text |
所以不應該再由既有的民航局或交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].start |
12367.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].end |
12369.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].text |
一個單一的主管機關來承載 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].start |
12369.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].end |
12371.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].text |
第四個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].start |
12371.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].end |
12373.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].text |
不管是產業創新 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].start |
12373.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].end |
12375.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].text |
或是國防採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].start |
12375.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].end |
12377.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].text |
或是我們台灣的無人載具將來的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].start |
12377.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].end |
12379.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].text |
我認為交通安全和飛安 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].start |
12379.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].end |
12381.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].text |
永遠是第一的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].start |
12381.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].end |
12383.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].text |
市場準度門檻怎麼重新設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].start |
12383.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].end |
12385.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].text |
那我也看到中央委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].start |
12385.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].end |
12387.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].text |
不管是武力中小企業的投入或企業的投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].start |
12387.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].end |
12389.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].text |
或是飛安的這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].start |
12389.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].end |
12391.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].text |
有制定滿多新的一些規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].start |
12391.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].end |
12393.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].text |
那我覺得這個地方我們是可以把FAA的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].start |
12393.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].end |
12395.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].text |
108的精神納進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].start |
12395.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].end |
12397.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].text |
那我們可以繼續討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].start |
12397.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].end |
12399.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].text |
謝謝各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].start |
12399.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].end |
12403.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].text |
好非常感謝陳教授的一個精闢的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].start |
12403.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].end |
12409.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].text |
那最後我們請國立台北商業大學的黃耀輝黃教授請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].start |
12423.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].end |
12425.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].text |
時間有限我就直接發言了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].start |
12425.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].end |
12427.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].text |
我準備了這個pourpoint |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].start |
12427.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].end |
12429.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].text |
呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].start |
12429.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].end |
12431.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].text |
把我的意見呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].start |
12431.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].end |
12433.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].text |
跟大家分享 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].start |
12435.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].end |
12437.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].text |
我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].start |
12437.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].end |
12439.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].text |
花了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].start |
12438.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].end |
12440.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].text |
一些時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].start |
12440.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].end |
12442.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].text |
把我拿到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].start |
12442.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].end |
12444.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].text |
四個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].start |
12444.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].end |
12446.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].text |
行政院還有綠圍版 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].start |
12446.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].end |
12448.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].text |
還有民眾黨版還有國民黨版 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].start |
12448.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].end |
12450.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].text |
四個我都看完 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].start |
12450.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].end |
12452.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].text |
看完了之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].start |
12452.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].end |
12454.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].text |
我的心得呢是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].start |
12454.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].end |
12456.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].text |
這個怎麼動不會動下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].start |
12457.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].end |
12459.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].text |
呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].start |
12458.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].end |
12460.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].text |
黃色的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].start |
12460.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].end |
12462.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].text |
我先講結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].start |
12462.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].end |
12464.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].text |
結論就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].start |
12464.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].end |
12466.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].text |
我看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].start |
12466.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].end |
12468.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].text |
行政院版呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].start |
12468.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].end |
12470.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].text |
非常的潮帥非常的空洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].start |
12470.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].end |
12472.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].text |
我大概兩分鐘就看完了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].start |
12472.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].end |
12474.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].text |
看到那個內容呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].start |
12474.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].end |
12476.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].text |
我就不知道他這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].start |
12478.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].end |
12480.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].text |
貼過條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].start |
12479.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].end |
12481.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].text |
怎麼根本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].start |
12481.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].end |
12483.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].text |
如何能夠發展我們本土的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].start |
12483.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].end |
12485.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].text |
無人宅具產業呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].start |
12485.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].end |
12487.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].text |
所以後來我就是看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].start |
12487.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].end |
12489.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].text |
看一下那個民眾黨版的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].start |
12489.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].end |
12491.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].text |
他呢甚至拉高層次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].start |
12491.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].end |
12493.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].text |
把美國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].start |
12493.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].end |
12495.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].text |
release |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].start |
12495.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].end |
12497.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].text |
releasing |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].start |
12497.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].end |
12499.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].text |
American |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].start |
12499.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].end |
12501.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].text |
裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].start |
12500.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].end |
12502.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].text |
Dominance |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].start |
12502.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].end |
12504.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].text |
去年發布的行政命令 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].start |
12504.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].end |
12506.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].text |
都把它整個都把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].start |
12506.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].end |
12508.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].text |
納入他們的這個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].start |
12508.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].end |
12510.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].text |
然後國民黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].start |
12510.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].end |
12512.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].text |
也提出了23個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].start |
12512.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].end |
12514.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].text |
所以整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].start |
12514.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].end |
12516.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].text |
我的感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].start |
12516.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].end |
12518.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].text |
藍白版呢確實比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].start |
12518.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].end |
12520.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].text |
有點在用心扶植 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].start |
12520.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].end |
12522.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].text |
本土產業的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].start |
12522.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].end |
12524.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].text |
所以我直接下個結論就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].start |
12526.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].end |
12528.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].text |
我是非常支持發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].start |
12528.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].end |
12530.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].text |
台灣無人宅具 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].start |
12530.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].end |
12532.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].text |
自主本土的產業鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].start |
12532.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].end |
12534.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].text |
那如果竟然要這樣做的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].start |
12534.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].end |
12536.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].text |
那就應該拉高到行政院的層級 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].start |
12536.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].end |
12538.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].text |
要做跨部會整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].start |
12538.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].end |
12540.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].text |
而不應該由國防部來主導 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].start |
12540.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].end |
12542.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].text |
因為國防部來主導的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].start |
12542.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].end |
12544.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].text |
他就是採購嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].start |
12544.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].end |
12546.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].text |
採購採購他管理什麼本土產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].start |
12546.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].end |
12548.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].text |
什麼獨立自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].start |
12548.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].end |
12550.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].text |
不可能這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].start |
12550.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].end |
12552.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].text |
那另外一個部分呢就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].start |
12552.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].end |
12554.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].text |
我們要訂立專法我完全同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].start |
12554.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].end |
12556.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].text |
但是特別專法不一定要代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].start |
12556.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].end |
12558.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].text |
你可以編列特別預算不可 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].start |
12558.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].end |
12560.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].text |
而且現在的特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].start |
12560.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].end |
12562.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].text |
編列確實非常浮亂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].start |
12562.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].end |
12564.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].text |
賴政府兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].start |
12564.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].end |
12566.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].text |
這個特別預算就編列了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].start |
12566.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].end |
12568.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].text |
1.9兆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].start |
12568.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].end |
12570.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].text |
要不是藍白把它砍了4700億的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].start |
12570.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].end |
12572.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].text |
他就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].start |
12572.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].end |
12574.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].text |
現在變成1.47兆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].start |
12574.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].end |
12576.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].text |
實際上這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].start |
12576.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].end |
12578.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].text |
特別預算才兩年就編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].start |
12578.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].end |
12580.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].text |
1.47兆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].start |
12580.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].end |
12582.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].text |
是非常的浮亂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].start |
12582.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].end |
12584.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].text |
所以我是認為不應該再編特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].start |
12584.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].end |
12586.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].text |
那放在一般的普通預算的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].start |
12586.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].end |
12588.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].text |
就跟其他各部會競爭資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].start |
12588.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].end |
12590.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].text |
主計總署就透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].start |
12590.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].end |
12592.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].text |
臨時預算來管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].start |
12592.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].end |
12594.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].text |
誰哪個部門用資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].start |
12594.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].end |
12596.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].text |
比較有效率 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].start |
12596.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].end |
12598.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].text |
那就優先分配給他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].start |
12598.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].end |
12600.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].text |
那你這帶著 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].start |
12600.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].end |
12602.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].text |
要扶植本土產業的使命 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].start |
12602.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].end |
12604.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].text |
那你主計總署 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].start |
12604.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].end |
12606.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].text |
覺得你表現得很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].start |
12606.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].end |
12608.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].text |
當然就願意撥款 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].start |
12608.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].end |
12610.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].text |
撥預算給國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].start |
12610.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].end |
12612.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].text |
來採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].start |
12612.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].end |
12614.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].text |
如果是針對本土的產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].start |
12614.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].end |
12616.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].text |
那當然就更值得做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].start |
12616.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].end |
12618.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].text |
最後的第三點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].start |
12620.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].end |
12622.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].text |
結論就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].start |
12622.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].end |
12624.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].text |
其實不一定要花那麼多預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].start |
12624.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].end |
12626.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].text |
像國民黨的版本要花 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].start |
12626.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].end |
12628.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].text |
2400億 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].start |
12628.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].end |
12630.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].text |
我認為可能太多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].start |
12630.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].end |
12632.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].text |
如果你能夠確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].start |
12632.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].end |
12634.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].text |
他是一個長期的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].start |
12634.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].end |
12636.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].text |
的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].start |
12637.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].end |
12639.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].text |
行政資源包括產創條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].start |
12639.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].end |
12641.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].text |
有租稅減免 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].start |
12641.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].end |
12643.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].text |
還有一些國發基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].start |
12643.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].end |
12645.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].text |
那邊也可以提供一些投農資 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].start |
12645.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].end |
12647.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].text |
來參與我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].start |
12647.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].end |
12649.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].text |
本土我們宅居產業類的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].start |
12649.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].end |
12651.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].start |
12651.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].end |
12653.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].text |
所以接下來我就一一平息 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].start |
12653.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].end |
12655.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].text |
各個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].start |
12655.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].end |
12657.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].text |
綠版的部分其實正院版跟立委版 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].start |
12657.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].end |
12659.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].start |
12659.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].end |
12661.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].text |
一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].start |
12661.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].end |
12663.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].text |
當然不是跟我們主席的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].start |
12663.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].end |
12665.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].text |
無關因為我們還沒看到他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].start |
12665.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].end |
12667.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].text |
立委版的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].start |
12667.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].end |
12669.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].text |
就是把行政院版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].start |
12669.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].end |
12671.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].text |
加了一句總說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].start |
12671.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].end |
12673.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].text |
罵了說在野黨你給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].start |
12673.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].end |
12675.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].text |
34700億 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].start |
12675.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].end |
12677.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].text |
罵完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].start |
12677.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].end |
12679.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].text |
跟行政院版本幾乎一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].start |
12679.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].end |
12681.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].text |
幾乎一模一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].start |
12681.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].end |
12683.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].text |
總說明多了一個批評 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].start |
12683.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].end |
12685.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].text |
所以我去看了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].start |
12685.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].end |
12687.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].text |
光看這個條例的名稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].start |
12687.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].end |
12689.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].text |
就是自相矛盾 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].start |
12689.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].end |
12691.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].text |
你們叫做採購特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].start |
12691.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].end |
12693.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].text |
那個採購如何以實現 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].start |
12693.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].end |
12695.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].text |
你明治投 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].start |
12695.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].end |
12697.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].text |
國防自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].start |
12697.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].end |
12699.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].text |
採購如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].start |
12700.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].end |
12702.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].text |
如何實現國防自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].start |
12702.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].end |
12704.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].text |
本身就是文不對題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].start |
12704.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].end |
12706.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].start |
12706.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].end |
12708.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].text |
第二個就是國防部那採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].start |
12708.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].end |
12710.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].text |
他是預算驅動 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].start |
12711.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].end |
12713.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].text |
他就只透過這個預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].start |
12713.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].end |
12715.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].text |
保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].start |
12715.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].end |
12717.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].text |
然後就有預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].start |
12717.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].end |
12719.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].text |
就有採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].start |
12719.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].end |
12721.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].text |
沒預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].start |
12721.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].end |
12723.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].text |
產業到時候怎麼發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].start |
12724.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].end |
12726.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].text |
中斷了怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].start |
12726.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].end |
12728.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].text |
要不是撐死就是餓死 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].start |
12728.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].end |
12730.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].text |
那怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].start |
12730.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].end |
12732.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].text |
所以這樣搞下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].start |
12732.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].end |
12734.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].text |
單純的採購的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].start |
12734.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].end |
12736.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].text |
他根本不理我們的產業自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].start |
12736.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].end |
12738.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].text |
也沒辦法應對他自己講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].start |
12738.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].end |
12740.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].text |
所以要應對國際競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].start |
12739.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].end |
12741.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].start |
12742.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].end |
12744.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].text |
政院版的總說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].start |
12744.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].end |
12746.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].text |
第三段 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].start |
12746.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].end |
12748.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].text |
第一段看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].start |
12748.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].end |
12750.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].text |
一下又張飛一下又是岳飛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].start |
12750.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].end |
12752.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].text |
怎麼講呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].start |
12752.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].end |
12754.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].text |
無人採據產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].start |
12754.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].end |
12756.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].text |
國安戰略重要的關節 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].start |
12756.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].end |
12758.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].text |
對當然是對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].start |
12758.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].end |
12760.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].text |
然後他說為了防範什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].start |
12760.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].end |
12762.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].text |
後門資安風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].start |
12762.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].end |
12764.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].text |
他就講說我們要打造 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].start |
12764.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].end |
12766.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].text |
飛鴻供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].start |
12766.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].end |
12768.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].text |
我就想奇怪了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].start |
12768.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].end |
12770.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].text |
飛鴻供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].start |
12770.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].end |
12772.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].text |
就沒有國安的問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].start |
12772.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].end |
12774.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].text |
就沒有後門資安的風險嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].start |
12774.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].end |
12776.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].text |
當然有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].start |
12776.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].end |
12778.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].text |
然後飛鴻關於我們國防部什麼事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].start |
12778.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].end |
12782.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].text |
國防部就需要打造飛鴻供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].start |
12782.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].end |
12784.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].text |
打造美國的供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].start |
12784.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].end |
12786.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].text |
跟國防部有什麼關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].start |
12786.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].end |
12788.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].text |
飛鴻供應鏈需要你國防部去用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].start |
12788.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].end |
12790.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].text |
經費支持他嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].start |
12790.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].end |
12792.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].text |
然後第一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].start |
12792.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].end |
12794.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].text |
第一條就叫打造供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].start |
12794.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].end |
12796.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].text |
建立要打造供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].start |
12796.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].end |
12798.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].text |
建立放在立法目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].start |
12798.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].end |
12800.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].text |
然後下面說明一個說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].start |
12800.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].end |
12802.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].text |
我要打造在地供應自主產自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].start |
12802.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].end |
12804.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].text |
自主維修目標後視國防 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].start |
12804.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].end |
12806.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].text |
自主能力然後借本土 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].start |
12806.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].end |
12808.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].text |
產業來迅速啪啪啪 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].start |
12808.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].end |
12810.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].text |
奇怪了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].start |
12810.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].end |
12812.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].text |
第一條你只講飛鴻供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].start |
12812.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].end |
12814.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].text |
為什麼後面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].start |
12814.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].end |
12816.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].text |
又要打造在地自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].start |
12817.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].end |
12819.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].text |
飛鴻如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].start |
12819.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].end |
12821.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].text |
台灣的自主產業在地生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].start |
12821.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].end |
12823.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].text |
這個目標能夠達成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].start |
12823.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].end |
12825.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].text |
這兩個相衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].start |
12825.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].end |
12827.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].text |
然後因為飛鴻供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].start |
12827.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].end |
12829.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].text |
裡面也有競爭的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].start |
12829.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].end |
12833.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].text |
然後你借本土產業鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].start |
12833.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].end |
12835.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].text |
你目的是要發展本土產業鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].start |
12835.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].end |
12837.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].text |
那你就寫在第一條的立法目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].start |
12837.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].end |
12839.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].text |
要發展本土產業鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].start |
12839.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].end |
12841.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].text |
為什麼不直接寫入第一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].start |
12841.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].end |
12843.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].text |
然後最後又講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].start |
12843.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].end |
12845.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].text |
國間採購無人採據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].start |
12845.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].end |
12847.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].text |
會創造就業基金投資效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].start |
12847.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].end |
12849.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].text |
奇怪了如果你全部都去跟老百賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].start |
12850.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].end |
12852.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].text |
怎麼創造經濟效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].start |
12852.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].end |
12854.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].text |
我不懂啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].start |
12854.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].end |
12856.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].text |
不是寫作文筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].start |
12856.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].end |
12858.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].text |
水水水水 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].start |
12858.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].end |
12860.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].text |
文筆很通順 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].start |
12860.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].end |
12862.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].text |
邏輯不通都無所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].start |
12862.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].end |
12864.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].text |
所以你看到第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].start |
12864.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].end |
12866.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].text |
講說採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].start |
12866.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].end |
12868.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].text |
包括獲得產自維修工程集 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].start |
12868.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].end |
12870.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].text |
這裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].start |
12870.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].end |
12872.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].text |
沒有一個只提到國內外採購比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].start |
12872.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].end |
12874.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].text |
你就講說採購採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].start |
12874.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].end |
12876.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].text |
你講飛鴻供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].start |
12876.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].end |
12878.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].text |
就讓人家想到你就是要跟老百賣買 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].start |
12878.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].end |
12880.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].text |
19%是有跟美國買 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].start |
12880.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].end |
12882.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].text |
1%跟台灣買 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].start |
12882.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].end |
12884.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].text |
也達成你的使命 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].start |
12884.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].end |
12886.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].text |
也可以扶持本土產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].start |
12886.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].end |
12888.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].text |
各項目經費比例我們看不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].start |
12888.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].end |
12890.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].text |
總說明批評藍白3、4700億 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].start |
12890.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].end |
12892.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].text |
結果你這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].start |
12892.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].end |
12894.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].text |
編特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].start |
12894.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].end |
12896.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].text |
要2100億 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].start |
12896.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].end |
12898.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].text |
那豈不是自證當初 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].start |
12898.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].end |
12900.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].text |
你編1.25兆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].start |
12900.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].end |
12902.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].text |
軍貨預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].start |
12902.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].end |
12904.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].text |
裡面被3700億你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].start |
12904.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].end |
12906.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].text |
你自己只願意追捕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].start |
12906.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].end |
12908.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].text |
2100億 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].start |
12908.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].end |
12910.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].text |
那不是當初你編 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].start |
12910.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].end |
12912.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].text |
特別軍貨預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].start |
12912.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].end |
12914.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].text |
就被灌水了2600億 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].start |
12914.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].end |
12916.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].start |
12916.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].end |
12918.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].text |
所以這個國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].start |
12918.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].end |
12920.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].text |
所有人民都不清不楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].start |
12921.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].end |
12925.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].text |
民間會對這個產生誤會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].start |
12925.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].end |
12927.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].text |
那另外一個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].start |
12927.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].end |
12929.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].text |
很多都是空白授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].start |
12929.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].end |
12931.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].text |
應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].start |
12931.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].end |
12933.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].text |
告訴我們多少要靠的舉債 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].start |
12933.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].end |
12935.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].start |
12935.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].end |
12937.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].text |
這個財政距離 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].start |
12937.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].end |
12939.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].text |
這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].start |
12939.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].end |
12941.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].text |
是特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].start |
12941.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].end |
12943.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].text |
讓我們最懷疑的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].start |
12943.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].end |
12945.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].text |
OK好那接下來我再來看民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].start |
12945.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].end |
12947.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].text |
版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].start |
12947.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].end |
12949.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].text |
最主要的他就參考美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].start |
12949.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].end |
12951.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].text |
釋放美國無人機優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].start |
12951.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].end |
12953.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].text |
的那個法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].start |
12953.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].end |
12955.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].text |
於是我就花了時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].start |
12955.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].end |
12957.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].text |
上網去美國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].start |
12957.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].end |
12959.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].text |
總統辦公室的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].start |
12959.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].end |
12961.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].text |
看了一下他的這個宰據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].start |
12961.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].end |
12963.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].text |
你各位注意看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].start |
12963.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].end |
12965.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].text |
美國就是跟你玩真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].start |
12965.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].end |
12967.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].text |
玩大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].start |
12967.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].end |
12969.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].text |
什麼都是美國優先不要非美供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].start |
12969.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].end |
12971.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].text |
他不會跟你像台灣人搞什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].start |
12971.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].end |
12973.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].text |
非宏光供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].start |
12973.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].end |
12975.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].text |
他講的就是不要非美供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].start |
12975.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].end |
12977.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].text |
就是我們美國啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].start |
12977.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].end |
12979.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].text |
什麼都要我擴大我國內生產規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].start |
12979.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].end |
12981.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].text |
什麼都是我美國製造技術出國 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].start |
12981.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].end |
12983.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].text |
國內無人機產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].start |
12983.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].end |
12985.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].text |
對外資源依賴要避免 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].start |
12985.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].end |
12987.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].text |
希望最後能夠讓美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].start |
12987.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].end |
12989.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].text |
人民什麼都是美國優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].start |
12989.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].end |
12991.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].text |
美國人民利益優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].start |
12991.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].end |
12993.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].text |
哪像我們這個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].start |
12993.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].end |
12995.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].text |
非宏光供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].start |
12995.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].end |
12997.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].text |
非宏光供應鏈不是隔壁往外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].start |
12997.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].end |
12999.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].text |
所以在這種情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].start |
12999.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].end |
13001.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].text |
民眾黨的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].start |
13001.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].end |
13003.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].text |
其實他我認為他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].start |
13003.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].end |
13005.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].text |
格局拉得很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].start |
13005.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].end |
13007.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].start |
13006.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].end |
13008.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].text |
也透過希望各部會分工整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].start |
13008.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].end |
13010.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].text |
透過一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].start |
13010.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].end |
13012.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].text |
採購委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].start |
13012.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].end |
13014.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].text |
規劃委員會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].start |
13014.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].end |
13016.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].text |
方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].start |
13016.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].end |
13018.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].start |
13018.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].end |
13020.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].text |
我們看一下民眾黨這個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].start |
13020.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].end |
13022.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].text |
他就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].start |
13022.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].end |
13024.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].text |
希望能夠成立這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].start |
13024.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].end |
13026.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].text |
戰略特別委員會我覺得這個有高度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].start |
13026.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].end |
13028.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].text |
統籌的規劃帶動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].start |
13028.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].end |
13030.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].text |
不只是國防自主讓我們的本土產業能夠發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].start |
13030.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].end |
13032.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].text |
國民黨的版本這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].start |
13032.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].end |
13034.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].text |
雖然寫了23條 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].start |
13034.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].end |
13036.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].text |
但是我確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].start |
13036.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].end |
13038.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].text |
他這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].start |
13038.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].end |
13040.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].text |
有些東西可能會有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].start |
13040.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].end |
13042.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].text |
摯愛難行之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].start |
13042.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].end |
13044.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].text |
所以他經費是2400億 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].start |
13044.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].end |
13046.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].text |
但是我認為可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].start |
13046.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].end |
13048.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].text |
要考慮到將來執行上的一些困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].start |
13048.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].end |
13050.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].text |
所以最後結論就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].start |
13050.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].end |
13052.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].text |
一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].start |
13052.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].end |
13054.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].text |
我們既然認為無人機產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].start |
13054.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].end |
13056.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].text |
是我們國家戰略的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].start |
13057.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].end |
13059.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].text |
地位很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].start |
13059.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].end |
13061.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].text |
那麼就請全力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].start |
13061.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].end |
13063.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].text |
來支持我們的本土產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].start |
13063.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].end |
13065.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].text |
就不應該由國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].start |
13065.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].end |
13067.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].text |
來主導 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].start |
13067.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].end |
13069.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].text |
應該由行政院層級的高度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].start |
13069.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].end |
13071.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].text |
來成立一個特別的委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].start |
13071.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].end |
13073.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].text |
然後來規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].start |
13073.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].end |
13075.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].text |
如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].start |
13075.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].end |
13077.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].text |
逐年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].start |
13077.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].end |
13079.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].text |
落實我們本土自治 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].start |
13079.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].end |
13081.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].text |
達到這個目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].start |
13081.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].end |
13083.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].text |
讓我們本土產業能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].start |
13083.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].end |
13085.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].text |
興起成為AI產業的另一半 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].start |
13085.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].end |
13087.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].text |
的第二個更重要的產業鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].start |
13087.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].end |
13089.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].text |
如果不這樣做的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].start |
13089.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].end |
13091.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].text |
只透過採購我們全世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].start |
13091.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].end |
13093.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].text |
拜拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].start |
13092.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].end |
13094.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].text |
都要外國去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].start |
13094.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].end |
13096.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].start |
13096.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].end |
13098.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].start |
13097.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].end |
13099.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].text |
今天應邀到場的學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].start |
13099.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].end |
13101.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].text |
及登記發言的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].start |
13101.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].end |
13103.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].text |
均已發言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].start |
13103.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].end |
13105.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].text |
接下來我們就讓行政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].start |
13105.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].end |
13107.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].text |
來做整體回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].start |
13107.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].end |
13109.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].text |
那我就逐一來請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].start |
13109.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].end |
13111.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].text |
我們在場的行政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].start |
13111.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].end |
13113.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].text |
有沒有要做進步的回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].start |
13113.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].end |
13115.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].text |
那首先經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].start |
13114.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].end |
13116.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].text |
怎麼樣 來 請 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].start |
13119.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].end |
13121.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].start |
13121.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].end |
13123.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].text |
首先感謝今天所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].start |
13123.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].end |
13125.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].text |
與會代表給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].start |
13125.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].end |
13127.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].text |
那麼多寶貴的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].start |
13127.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].end |
13129.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].text |
各面向都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].start |
13129.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].end |
13131.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].text |
那我這邊做經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].start |
13131.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].end |
13133.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].text |
權責的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].start |
13133.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].end |
13135.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].text |
來做回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].start |
13135.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].end |
13137.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].text |
第一個 我想跟大家說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].start |
13137.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].end |
13139.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].text |
我們經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].start |
13139.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].end |
13141.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].text |
過去發展產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].start |
13141.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].end |
13143.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].text |
其實就主要的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].start |
13143.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].end |
13145.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].text |
法規基礎就是產業創新 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].start |
13145.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].end |
13147.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].text |
條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].start |
13147.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].end |
13149.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].text |
在更早之前就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].start |
13149.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].end |
13151.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].text |
促進產業升級條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].start |
13151.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].end |
13153.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].text |
在更早之前就是獎勵投資條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].start |
13153.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].end |
13155.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].text |
那這三個條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].start |
13155.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].end |
13157.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].text |
其實有一個非常明確的任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].start |
13157.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].end |
13159.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].text |
就是用相關的一些工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].start |
13159.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].end |
13161.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].text |
來協助我們的產業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].start |
13161.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].end |
13163.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].text |
包含我們的租稅優惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].start |
13163.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].end |
13165.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].text |
包含我們的人才培育 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].start |
13165.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].end |
13167.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].text |
還有研發補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].start |
13167.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].end |
13169.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].text |
還有相關的產業輔導 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].start |
13169.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].end |
13171.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].text |
等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].start |
13171.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].end |
13173.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].text |
這些我們來發展產業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].start |
13173.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].end |
13175.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].text |
一些工具或手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].start |
13175.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].end |
13177.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].text |
其實法源都在產業創新條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].start |
13177.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].end |
13179.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].text |
其實法源都在產業創新條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].start |
13179.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].end |
13181.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].text |
那我們過去也沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].start |
13181.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].end |
13183.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].text |
針對一個單一的特別產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].start |
13183.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].end |
13185.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].text |
來設置一個個別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].start |
13185.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].end |
13187.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].text |
條例 只有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].start |
13187.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].end |
13189.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].start |
13189.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].end |
13191.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].text |
生技醫藥產業發展條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].start |
13191.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].end |
13193.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].text |
那為什麼要針對生技醫藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].start |
13193.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].end |
13195.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].text |
產業發展條例對一個個別產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].start |
13195.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].end |
13197.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].text |
來設置一個條例是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].start |
13197.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].end |
13199.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].text |
這個產業它有它的特殊性 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].start |
13199.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].end |
13201.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].text |
它是必須經過非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].start |
13201.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].end |
13203.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].text |
長時間的投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].start |
13203.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].end |
13205.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].text |
還有可能回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].start |
13205.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].end |
13207.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].text |
所以在這樣的前提之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].start |
13207.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].end |
13209.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].text |
它跟其他的產業的發展特性 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].start |
13209.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].end |
13211.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].text |
不同 所以必須要有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].start |
13211.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].end |
13213.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].text |
特別的規範 特別的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].start |
13213.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].end |
13215.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].text |
來訂定一個這個產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].start |
13215.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].end |
13217.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].text |
發展條例來協助某 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].start |
13217.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].end |
13219.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].text |
這個特別的一個產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].start |
13219.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].end |
13221.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].text |
那其他的產業剛才很多委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].start |
13221.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].end |
13223.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].text |
也提到包含我們的半導體 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].start |
13223.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].end |
13225.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].text |
包含我們的ICT 包含我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].start |
13225.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].end |
13227.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].text |
面板 我們的石化 我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].start |
13227.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].end |
13229.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].text |
鋼鐵 非常多我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].start |
13229.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].end |
13231.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].text |
這些多樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].start |
13231.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].end |
13233.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].text |
產業其實我們都沒有一個個別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].start |
13233.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].end |
13235.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].text |
產業發展條例來幫忙它 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].start |
13235.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].end |
13237.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].text |
這個我要跟大家說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].start |
13237.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].end |
13239.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].text |
其實經濟部在發展產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].start |
13239.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].end |
13241.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].text |
就是用產業創新條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].start |
13241.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].end |
13243.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].text |
的一些相關工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].start |
13243.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].end |
13245.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].text |
再搭配我們的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].start |
13245.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].end |
13247.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].text |
個別的產業的發展計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].start |
13249.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].end |
13251.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].text |
就不是一個條例 就是計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].start |
13251.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].end |
13253.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].text |
我們針對每一個產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].start |
13253.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].end |
13255.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].text |
都會訂定它的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].start |
13255.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].end |
13257.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].text |
發展的策略 發展的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].start |
13257.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].end |
13259.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].text |
推動的一些工作項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].start |
13259.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].end |
13261.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].text |
當然也有KPI 當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].start |
13261.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].end |
13263.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].text |
這個我們就是編在年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].start |
13263.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].end |
13265.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].text |
裡面來逐步的推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].start |
13265.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].end |
13267.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].text |
所以在經濟部的體系裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].start |
13267.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].end |
13269.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].text |
除了一個產業創新條例以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].start |
13269.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].end |
13271.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].text |
其他就是透過編列公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].start |
13271.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].end |
13273.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].text |
預算 用產業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].start |
13273.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].end |
13275.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].text |
發展的計劃來推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].start |
13275.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].end |
13277.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].text |
各項的產業的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].start |
13277.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].end |
13279.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].text |
這個方向上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].start |
13279.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].end |
13281.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].text |
要先跟大家做一個釐清 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].start |
13281.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].end |
13283.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].text |
所以在無人機產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].start |
13283.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].end |
13285.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].text |
這一塊 我們也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].start |
13285.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].end |
13287.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].text |
我們現在正在執行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].start |
13287.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].end |
13289.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].text |
包含我們給這些業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].start |
13289.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].end |
13291.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].text |
研發補助 包含做一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].start |
13291.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].end |
13293.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].text |
人才培育 包含協助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].start |
13293.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].end |
13295.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].text |
出國參展 這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].start |
13295.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].end |
13297.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].text |
其實都是在編列公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].start |
13297.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].end |
13299.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].text |
裡面每年度來協助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].start |
13299.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].end |
13301.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].text |
也沒有條例 就一直在執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].start |
13301.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].end |
13303.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].text |
也就是我一開頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].start |
13303.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].end |
13305.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].text |
在跟大家報告的就是所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].start |
13305.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].end |
13307.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].text |
統籌型計劃的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].start |
13307.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].end |
13309.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].text |
那統籌型計劃未來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].start |
13309.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].end |
13311.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].text |
6年我們編了442億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].start |
13312.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].end |
13314.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].text |
剛才我說的這些協助事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].start |
13314.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].end |
13316.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].text |
全部都是用公務預算來編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].start |
13316.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].end |
13318.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].text |
來協助廠商 這個是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].start |
13318.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].end |
13320.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].text |
經濟部一直在做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].start |
13320.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].end |
13322.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].text |
但是今天有另外一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].start |
13322.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].end |
13324.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].text |
一件事情就是國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].start |
13324.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].end |
13326.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].text |
提了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].start |
13326.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].end |
13328.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].text |
國防自主無人載具的 |
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13328.02 |
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13330.02 |
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一個採購條例 特別條例 |
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13330.02 |
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13332.02 |
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這個是基本上 |
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13332.02 |
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13334.02 |
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是基於國防部需要 |
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13334.02 |
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13336.02 |
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這些無人載具 在國防自主 |
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13336.02 |
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13338.02 |
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方面需要 所以他們 |
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13338.02 |
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13340.02 |
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必須要去做這樣的採購 |
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13340.02 |
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13342.02 |
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那因為這個費用是2,100億 |
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13342.02 |
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13344.02 |
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比較大量 那需要 |
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13344.02 |
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13346.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].text |
希望在6年內能夠有 |
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13346.02 |
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13348.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].text |
一個這樣子足夠的經費來去 |
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13348.02 |
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13350.02 |
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做這些無人載具的採購 所以 |
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13350.02 |
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13352.02 |
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提出了這樣的特別條例 或者是 |
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13352.02 |
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13354.02 |
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特別預算 |
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13353.49 |
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13355.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].text |
它是基於國防自主的需要 |
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13355.49 |
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13357.49 |
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所以訂了 |
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13357.91 |
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13359.91 |
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可是這樣子的行為 |
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13359.91 |
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13361.91 |
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發生之後 其實是對產業發展 |
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13361.91 |
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13363.91 |
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會有幫助 |
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13363.91 |
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13365.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].text |
它不是為了產業發展而訂了這一個 |
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13365.91 |
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13367.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].text |
特別條例 是訂了這個特別 |
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13367.91 |
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13369.91 |
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條例之後會有助於產業發展 |
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13369.91 |
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13371.91 |
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所以我們剛才 |
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13371.91 |
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13373.91 |
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提到我們經濟部發展 |
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13373.91 |
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13375.91 |
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產業會從市場面 |
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13375.91 |
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13377.91 |
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會從技術面 會從環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].start |
13377.91 |
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13379.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].text |
會從法規去全盤 |
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13379.91 |
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13381.91 |
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來考慮 而國防部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].start |
13381.91 |
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13383.91 |
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這個特別條例是在市場面的部分 |
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13383.91 |
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13385.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].text |
來給我們加持 |
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13385.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].end |
13387.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].text |
但是並不代表產業發展 |
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13387.91 |
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13389.91 |
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只要這一個特別條例就夠了 |
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13389.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].end |
13391.91 |
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還有其他面向必須去照顧 |
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13391.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].end |
13393.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].text |
但是這些面向需不需要 |
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13393.91 |
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13395.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].text |
定一個專法 |
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13396 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].end |
13398 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].text |
這個是可以來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].start |
13398 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].end |
13400 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].text |
那目前經濟部是沒有 |
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13400 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].end |
13402 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].text |
針對個別產業定專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].start |
13402 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].end |
13404 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].text |
當然除了生技醫藥產業以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].start |
13404 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].end |
13406 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].text |
這個跟大家先做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].start |
13406 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].end |
13408 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].text |
這樣的第一點的說明 |
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13408 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].end |
13410 |
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那第二點的部分 |
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13411.57 |
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13413.57 |
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剛才很多代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].start |
13413.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].end |
13415.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].text |
有提到我們統籌型計畫裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].start |
13415.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].end |
13417.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].text |
我剛才說的這個四個面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].start |
13417.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].end |
13419.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].text |
其實非常多的建議都非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].start |
13419.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].end |
13421.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].text |
我們都記在心中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].start |
13421.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].end |
13423.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].text |
那有很多我們目前還做不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].start |
13423.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].end |
13425.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].text |
做不足的部分我們都會檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].start |
13425.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].end |
13427.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].text |
不過我還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].start |
13427.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].end |
13429.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].text |
跟大家分享的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].start |
13429.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].end |
13431.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].text |
其實我們在市場面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].start |
13431.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].end |
13433.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].text |
除了剛才我提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].start |
13433.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].end |
13435.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].text |
軍用的這個無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].start |
13435.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].end |
13437.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].text |
的採購以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].start |
13437.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].end |
13439.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].text |
我們其實在公務部門的無人機採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].start |
13439.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].end |
13441.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].text |
其實在統籌型計畫裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].start |
13441.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].end |
13443.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].text |
也編了三年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].start |
13443.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].end |
13445.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].text |
93億元的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].start |
13445.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].end |
13447.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].text |
一個採購需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].start |
13447.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].end |
13449.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].text |
那這個採購需求其實就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].start |
13449.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].end |
13451.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].text |
各公務部門他們在執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].start |
13451.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].end |
13453.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].text |
業務的時候可以運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].start |
13453.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].end |
13455.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].text |
無人機來去做一些協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].start |
13455.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].end |
13457.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].text |
那這個其實就某種 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].start |
13457.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].end |
13459.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].text |
部分就是在做應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].start |
13459.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].end |
13461.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].text |
服務的一個一個練兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].start |
13461.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].end |
13463.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].text |
我們目前所採取的策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].start |
13463.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].end |
13465.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].text |
是先由公務部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].start |
13465.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].end |
13467.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].text |
帶頭採購無人機開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].start |
13467.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].end |
13469.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].text |
讓大家能夠看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].start |
13469.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].end |
13471.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].text |
其實無人機可以做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].start |
13471.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].end |
13473.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].text |
各方面的一些協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].start |
13473.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].end |
13475.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].text |
的工作也就是很多應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].start |
13475.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].end |
13477.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].text |
服務的導向可以開始來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].start |
13477.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].end |
13479.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].text |
未來我們也希望產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].start |
13479.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].end |
13481.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].text |
能夠投入在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].start |
13481.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].end |
13483.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].text |
應用服務裡面不是只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].start |
13483.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].end |
13485.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].text |
單純無人機整機包含零 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].start |
13485.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].end |
13487.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].text |
組件的一些製造而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].start |
13487.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].end |
13489.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].text |
我們也希望發展應用服務面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].start |
13489.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].end |
13491.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].text |
那另外呢我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].start |
13491.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].end |
13493.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].text |
也協助也組成了267 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].start |
13493.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].end |
13495.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].text |
家廠商的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].start |
13495.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].end |
13497.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].text |
無人機聯盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].start |
13497.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].end |
13499.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].text |
那這無人機聯盟就包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].start |
13499.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].end |
13501.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].text |
從系統到模組到零組件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].start |
13501.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].end |
13503.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].text |
其實所有廠商都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].start |
13503.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].end |
13505.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].text |
而且分佈在北中南 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].start |
13505.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].end |
13507.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].text |
那我們有統計過其實北部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].start |
13507.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].end |
13509.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].text |
本身從系統到零組件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].start |
13509.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].end |
13511.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].text |
中部南部其實都各自 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].start |
13511.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].end |
13513.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].text |
可以形成一個獨立的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].start |
13513.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].end |
13515.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].text |
也是分散也可以等於說 |
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13515.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].end |
13517.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].text |
是分散也包含了整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].start |
13517.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].end |
13519.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].text |
韌性所以整個台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].start |
13519.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].end |
13521.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].text |
北中南地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].start |
13521.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].end |
13523.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].text |
都有完整的無人機的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].start |
13523.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].end |
13525.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].text |
產製的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].start |
13525.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].end |
13527.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].text |
這個我們也提供這些廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].start |
13527.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].end |
13529.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].text |
能夠出國參展的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].start |
13529.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].end |
13531.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].text |
補助那因為他們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].start |
13531.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].end |
13533.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].text |
大家組成的是國家隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].start |
13533.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].end |
13535.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].text |
出國參展我們就用台灣管 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].start |
13535.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].end |
13537.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].text |
大家都是聚集在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].start |
13537.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].end |
13539.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].text |
來共同來做行銷的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].start |
13539.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].end |
13541.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].text |
那如果這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].start |
13541.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].end |
13543.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].text |
115年的公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].start |
13543.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].end |
13545.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].text |
如果立法院這邊還沒有審查完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].start |
13545.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].end |
13547.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].text |
的話就會影響到我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].start |
13547.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].end |
13549.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].text |
這些廠商參展的一些相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].start |
13549.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].end |
13551.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].text |
補助的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].start |
13551.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].end |
13553.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].text |
所以我們也希望立法院能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].start |
13553.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].end |
13555.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].text |
協助我們行政部門趕快把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].start |
13555.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].end |
13557.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].text |
115年度的預算能夠順利的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].start |
13557.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].end |
13559.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].text |
通過好那在技術面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].start |
13559.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].end |
13561.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].text |
剛才大家提的非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].start |
13561.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].end |
13563.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].text |
那也要跟大家講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].start |
13563.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].end |
13565.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].text |
技術面的部分我們要談非 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].start |
13565.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].end |
13567.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].text |
紅跟國產 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].start |
13567.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].end |
13569.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].text |
其實目前全世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].start |
13569.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].end |
13571.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].text |
無人機的商機其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].start |
13571.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].end |
13573.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].text |
他們要的是非紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].start |
13573.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].end |
13575.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].text |
他們沒有要百分之百MIT |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].start |
13575.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].end |
13577.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].text |
所以我們國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].start |
13577.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].end |
13579.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].text |
廠商在追尋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].start |
13579.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].end |
13581.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].text |
市場商機的時候我們非紅 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].start |
13581.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].end |
13583.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].text |
是最基本的要件因 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].start |
13583.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].end |
13585.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].text |
此我們經濟部也協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].start |
13585.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].end |
13587.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].text |
我們國內廠商盤點國內的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].start |
13587.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].end |
13589.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].text |
這些生產製造能量當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].start |
13589.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].end |
13591.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].text |
有一部分是國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].start |
13591.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].end |
13593.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].text |
目前還是沒辦法生產製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].start |
13593.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].end |
13595.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].text |
必須由國外進口 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].start |
13595.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].end |
13597.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].text |
來外購的方式來補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].start |
13597.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].end |
13599.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].text |
但是外國 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].start |
13599.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].end |
13601.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].text |
採購只要不是跟對岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].start |
13601.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].end |
13603.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].text |
中國採購其他的國家採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].start |
13603.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].end |
13605.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].text |
其實都是符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].start |
13605.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].end |
13607.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].text |
非紅供應鏈的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].start |
13607.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].end |
13609.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].text |
那為什麼大家要非紅供應鏈主要就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].start |
13609.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].end |
13611.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].text |
資安的顧慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].start |
13611.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].end |
13613.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].text |
資安就影響到國安一台無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].start |
13613.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].end |
13615.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].text |
上面其實是都看得到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].start |
13615.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].end |
13617.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].text |
什麼東西都看得到那如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].start |
13617.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].end |
13619.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].text |
有有這個紅色供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].start |
13619.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].end |
13621.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].text |
的東西讓他看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].start |
13621.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].end |
13623.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].text |
這個無人機飛行的軌跡看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].start |
13623.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].end |
13625.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].text |
了所有的地理環境其實這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].start |
13625.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].end |
13627.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].text |
就是國安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].start |
13627.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].end |
13629.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].text |
所以每個國家都希望非紅供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].start |
13629.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].end |
13631.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].text |
經濟部也是協助廠商在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].start |
13631.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].end |
13633.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].text |
非紅供應鏈的建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].start |
13633.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].end |
13635.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].text |
這是第一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].start |
13634.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].end |
13636.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].text |
但是我剛才提到非紅供應鏈裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].start |
13636.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].end |
13638.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].text |
還是有很多外購的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].start |
13638.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].end |
13640.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].text |
關鍵零組件經濟部希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].start |
13640.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].end |
13642.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].text |
把這個關鍵零組件能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].start |
13642.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].end |
13644.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].text |
建立自己國家自己本土 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].start |
13644.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].end |
13646.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].text |
的能量因此我們就 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].start |
13646.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].end |
13648.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].text |
建立了這一個所謂的研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].start |
13648.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].end |
13650.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].text |
補助的計畫我們在未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].start |
13650.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].end |
13652.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].text |
的五六年當中我們會把 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].start |
13652.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].end |
13654.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].text |
我們目前的技術缺口 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].start |
13654.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].end |
13656.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].text |
把它逐步的來補齊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].start |
13656.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].end |
13658.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].text |
這個也就是在統籌型計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].start |
13658.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].end |
13660.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].text |
442億裡面其中有143 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].start |
13660.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].end |
13662.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].text |
億我們就是在做這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].start |
13662.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].end |
13664.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].text |
技術的缺口補齊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].start |
13664.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].end |
13666.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].text |
做一些相關的研發補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].start |
13666.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].end |
13668.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].text |
我們研發補助也不是只針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].start |
13668.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].end |
13670.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].text |
廠商其實我們會看他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].start |
13670.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].end |
13672.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].text |
技術成就度我們有跟學界 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].start |
13672.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].end |
13674.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].text |
合作有學界科專有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].start |
13674.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].end |
13676.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].text |
所謂的法人科專 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].start |
13676.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].end |
13678.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].text |
還有一些我們的業界科專 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].start |
13678.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].end |
13680.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].text |
那當然學界法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].start |
13680.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].end |
13682.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].text |
跟業界彼此之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].start |
13682.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].end |
13684.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].text |
也可以相互的合作這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].start |
13684.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].end |
13686.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].text |
我們都是在跨部會包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].start |
13686.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].end |
13688.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].text |
國防部包含國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].start |
13688.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].end |
13690.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].text |
還有我們經濟部三方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].start |
13690.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].end |
13692.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].text |
來做一些共同的一些研擬的相關工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].start |
13695.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].end |
13697.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].text |
那再來是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].start |
13697.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].end |
13699.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].text |
法規面剛才有提到Green UAS |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].start |
13699.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].end |
13701.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].text |
或者是Blue UAS |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].start |
13701.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].end |
13703.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].text |
Blue UAS大家都知道這個是美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].start |
13703.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].end |
13705.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].text |
採購他們軍用無人機的一個驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].start |
13705.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].end |
13707.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].text |
標準那另外一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].start |
13707.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].end |
13709.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].text |
美國的Green UAS是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].start |
13709.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].end |
13711.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].text |
他們民用無人機的一個驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].start |
13711.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].end |
13713.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].text |
標準那他們有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].start |
13713.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].end |
13715.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].text |
他們的驗證單位都是在美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].start |
13715.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].end |
13717.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].text |
本土的驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].start |
13717.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].end |
13719.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].text |
過去如果台灣的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].start |
13719.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].end |
13721.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].text |
要去爭取美國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].start |
13721.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].end |
13723.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].text |
這個軍方或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].start |
13723.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].end |
13725.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].text |
公務部門的無人機的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].start |
13725.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].end |
13727.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].text |
採購的商機都必須要得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].start |
13727.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].end |
13729.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].text |
去美國當地驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].start |
13729.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].end |
13731.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].text |
那得到驗證之後才有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].start |
13731.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].end |
13733.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].text |
進入的這個採購的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].start |
13733.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].end |
13735.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].text |
金標的環節但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].start |
13735.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].end |
13737.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].text |
我們經濟部也是協助公園 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].start |
13737.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].end |
13739.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].text |
院把這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].start |
13739.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].end |
13741.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].text |
Green UAS的這個驗證的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].start |
13742.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].end |
13744.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].text |
讓他在美國海外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].start |
13744.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].end |
13746.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].text |
第一個地方就是我們台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].start |
13746.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].end |
13748.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].text |
能夠在台灣落地做驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].start |
13748.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].end |
13750.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].text |
也就是說未來國 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].start |
13750.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].end |
13752.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].text |
內的廠商要爭取美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].start |
13752.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].end |
13754.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].text |
的這個這個民用無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].start |
13754.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].end |
13756.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].text |
的商機公務用的商機 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].start |
13756.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].end |
13758.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].text |
只要在台灣跟公園院來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].start |
13758.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].end |
13760.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].text |
申請來做得到驗證之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].start |
13760.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].end |
13762.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].text |
美國那邊就得到相對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].start |
13762.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].end |
13764.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].text |
的承認這個大幅 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].start |
13764.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].end |
13766.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].text |
縮減了我們業界的這個時間跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].start |
13766.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].end |
13768.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].text |
金錢那另外一個呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].start |
13768.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].end |
13770.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].text |
Green UAS拿到了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].start |
13770.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].end |
13772.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].text |
其實就可以直接對接到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].start |
13772.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].end |
13774.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].text |
Blue UAS因為兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].start |
13774.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].end |
13776.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].text |
兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].start |
13776.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].end |
13778.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].text |
Blue或者是Green UAS都是同一個美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].start |
13778.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].end |
13780.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].text |
的驗證單位所以在美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].start |
13780.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].end |
13782.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].text |
的驗證單位也授權我們公園院有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].start |
13782.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].end |
13784.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].text |
這樣的權力能夠協助那當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].start |
13784.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].end |
13786.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].text |
Blue UAS的部分也 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].start |
13786.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].end |
13788.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].text |
還有其他美國的檢驗單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].start |
13788.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].end |
13790.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].text |
同時的也有其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].start |
13790.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].end |
13792.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].text |
這個驗證的能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].start |
13792.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].end |
13794.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].text |
我們的金屬中心也會同步 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].start |
13794.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].end |
13796.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].text |
的再去跟美國的其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].start |
13796.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].end |
13798.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].text |
驗證單位來做合作直接切 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].start |
13798.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].end |
13800.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].text |
這個Blue UAS的一些相關驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].start |
13800.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].end |
13802.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].text |
工作我想經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].start |
13802.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].end |
13804.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].text |
其實在整個統籌型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].start |
13804.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].end |
13806.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].text |
計畫裡面就 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].start |
13806.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].end |
13808.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].text |
這個非常多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].start |
13808.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].end |
13809.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].text |
面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].start |
13809.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].end |
13811.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].text |
市場面技術面環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].start |
13811.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].end |
13813.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].text |
面跟法規面其實投入了非常多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].start |
13813.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].end |
13815.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].text |
經費那另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].start |
13815.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].end |
13817.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].text |
其他部會因為他們也 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].start |
13817.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].end |
13819.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].text |
都有各自的依循法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].start |
13819.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].end |
13821.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].text |
在做相關的工作那他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].start |
13821.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].end |
13823.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].text |
預算也都順便納入了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].start |
13823.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].end |
13825.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].text |
我們的統籌型計畫裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].start |
13825.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].end |
13827.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].text |
所以這個統籌型計畫裡面其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].start |
13827.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].end |
13829.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].text |
不是經濟部專有包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].start |
13829.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].end |
13831.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].text |
交通部包含我們國發會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].start |
13831.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].end |
13833.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].text |
還有很多單位包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].start |
13833.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].end |
13835.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].text |
我們的工程會在採購的面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].start |
13835.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].end |
13837.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].text |
也都給我們的協助所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].start |
13837.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].end |
13839.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].text |
這是一個整體的一個方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].start |
13839.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].end |
13841.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].text |
那當然這個整體的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].start |
13841.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].end |
13843.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].text |
大家提到了不應該只是在部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].start |
13843.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].end |
13845.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].text |
層級應該要到行政院上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].start |
13845.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].end |
13847.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].text |
這邊來去做統籌處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].start |
13847.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].end |
13849.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].text |
確實這個統籌型 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].start |
13849.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].end |
13851.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].text |
方案目前是由行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].start |
13851.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].end |
13853.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].text |
院正副院長定期 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].start |
13853.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].end |
13855.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].text |
每季召開專案會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].start |
13855.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].end |
13857.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].text |
來去做管考跟追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].start |
13857.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].end |
13859.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].text |
每一季的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].start |
13859.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].end |
13861.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].text |
裡面都會針對這四大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].start |
13861.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].end |
13863.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].text |
面向去做檢討目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].start |
13863.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].end |
13865.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].text |
的最新的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].start |
13865.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].end |
13867.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].text |
所以在任何不管是業界 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].start |
13867.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].end |
13869.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].text |
或者是外界有任何的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].start |
13869.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].end |
13871.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].text |
或者是有困難執行上的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].start |
13871.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].end |
13873.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].text |
全部都會在那一個行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].start |
13873.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].end |
13875.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].text |
的專案會議平台裡面去做討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].start |
13875.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].end |
13877.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].text |
那在過去的兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].start |
13877.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].end |
13879.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].text |
裡面其實也解決了非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].start |
13879.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].end |
13881.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].text |
多的問題那當然就是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].start |
13881.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].end |
13883.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].text |
這樣子的機制下面去做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].start |
13883.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].end |
13885.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].text |
最後我要跟大家說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].start |
13885.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].end |
13887.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].text |
雖然目前沒有專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].start |
13887.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].end |
13889.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].text |
可是經濟部已經在推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].start |
13889.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].end |
13891.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].text |
這些無人機無人載具產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].start |
13891.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].end |
13893.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].text |
的一個發展用現有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].start |
13893.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].end |
13895.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].text |
的法規用現有的計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].start |
13895.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].end |
13897.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].text |
跟預算其實都在推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].start |
13897.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].end |
13899.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].text |
國防部他採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].start |
13899.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].end |
13901.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].text |
無人機有他的國防需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].start |
13901.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].end |
13903.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].text |
產業發展只是他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].start |
13903.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].end |
13905.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].text |
附帶的好處 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].start |
13905.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].end |
13907.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].text |
而不是他的主要目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].start |
13907.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].end |
13909.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].text |
以上做這樣的說明謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].start |
13910.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].end |
13912.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].text |
好謝謝周副署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].start |
13912.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].end |
13914.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].text |
應該是有這個經濟部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].start |
13914.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].end |
13916.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].text |
部門部的高度來做統籌的回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].start |
13916.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].end |
13918.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].text |
我就不再邀請經濟部其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].start |
13918.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].end |
13920.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].text |
所屬相關單位來做回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].start |
13920.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].end |
13922.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].text |
那國防部的部分是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].start |
13922.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].end |
13924.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].text |
市長要做統籌的回應來請 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].start |
13928.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].end |
13930.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].text |
有的話就準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].start |
13932.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].end |
13934.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].text |
主席還有我們今天所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].start |
13934.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].end |
13936.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].text |
各位先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].start |
13936.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].end |
13938.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].text |
還有專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].start |
13938.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].end |
13940.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].text |
剛才我們都聚焦在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].start |
13940.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].end |
13942.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].text |
無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].start |
13942.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].end |
13944.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].text |
這樣子的一個議題裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].start |
13944.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].end |
13946.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].text |
無人載具它是一個科技的趨勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].start |
13948.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].end |
13950.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].text |
它也是一個戰場的一個走勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].start |
13952.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].end |
13956.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].text |
從現在的這個幾個交戰中的一個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].start |
13956.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].end |
13958.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].text |
都能夠發現到無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].start |
13958.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].end |
13960.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].text |
它發揮了相當大的一個這個戰力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].start |
13961.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].end |
13963.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].text |
國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].start |
13963.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].end |
13965.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].text |
在軍嚴軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].start |
13965.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].end |
13967.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].text |
我們所規劃出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].start |
13966.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].end |
13968.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].text |
這個特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].start |
13968.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].end |
13970.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].text |
都是依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].start |
13970.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].end |
13972.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].text |
最新的敵情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].start |
13972.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].end |
13974.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].text |
經過我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].start |
13973.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].end |
13975.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].text |
這個分析跟研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].start |
13975.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].end |
13977.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].text |
所提出來的一個這個需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].start |
13978.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].end |
13980.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].text |
我們必須要去建構 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].start |
13980.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].end |
13982.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].text |
足以嚇阻 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].start |
13982.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].end |
13984.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].text |
中國對於我們的這個威脅 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].start |
13986.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].end |
13988.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].text |
物是抵不來,事無由以待之 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].start |
13988.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].end |
13990.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].text |
更何況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].start |
13990.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].end |
13992.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].text |
中國它現在每天在我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].start |
13992.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].end |
13994.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].text |
台海 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].start |
13993.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].end |
13995.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].text |
周邊是空虛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].start |
13995.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].end |
13997.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].text |
中國對於我們的威脅 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].start |
13999.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].end |
14001.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].text |
日益嚴峻 |
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14002.15 |
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14004.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].text |
這也就是我們國防部 |
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14004.15 |
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14006.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].text |
為什麼我們非常的 |
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14006.8 |
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14008.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].text |
憂心 |
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14008.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].end |
14010.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].text |
我們認為我們必須要有足夠的嚇阻的能力 |
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14011.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].end |
14013.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].text |
才能夠讓中國 |
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14013.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].end |
14015.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].text |
它要去審慎的去評估 |
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14015.8 |
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14017.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].text |
它去清洗這個戰端 |
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14018.04 |
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14020.04 |
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是不是 |
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14019.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].end |
14021.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].text |
華的來 |
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14021.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].end |
14023.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].text |
它是不是有成功的攻算 |
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14023.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].end |
14025.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].text |
因此我們國防部所提出來的 |
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14026.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].end |
14028.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].text |
絕對都是依據我們防衛作戰目前缺口 |
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14030.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].end |
14032.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].text |
我們律定了憂心順序 |
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14032.77 |
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14034.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].text |
所訂定出來的一個特別條例 |
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14034.77 |
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14036.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].text |
這是第一點回應 |
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14036.77 |
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14038.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].text |
第二點 |
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14038.73 |
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14040.73 |
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之所以編定特別條例 |
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14040.73 |
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14042.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].text |
就是希望能夠有特別的預算 |
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14043.79 |
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14045.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].text |
剛才也有很多的先進 |
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14045.79 |
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14047.79 |
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都有提到 |
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14047.17 |
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14049.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].text |
沒有這個長單 |
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14049.65 |
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14051.65 |
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有穩定的資源的一個需求 |
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14052.75 |
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14054.75 |
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我們國內總共有200多家 |
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14055.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].end |
14057.4 |
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無人機的產業 |
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14057.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].end |
14059.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].text |
多謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].start |
14058.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].end |
14060.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].text |
這個廠商 |
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14060.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].end |
14062.79 |
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當年有穩定的這些資金 |
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14064.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].end |
14066.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].text |
有穩定的國防的需求 |
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14067.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].end |
14069.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].text |
再加上經濟部 |
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14069.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].end |
14071.6 |
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他的一些資源 |
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14071.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].end |
14073.6 |
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我們地方產業 |
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14073.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].end |
14075.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].text |
的這個廠商 |
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14075.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].end |
14077.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].text |
大家共同 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].start |
14076.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].end |
14078.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].text |
來促成 |
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14078.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].end |
14080.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].text |
我們國內 |
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14080.04 |
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14082.04 |
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有關於無人載具 |
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14083.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].end |
14085.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].text |
他的韌性 |
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14085.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5517].end |
14087.66 |
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我們是一個海島型的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].start |
14089.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].end |
14091.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5518].text |
中共他對於我們 |
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14091.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].end |
14093.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].text |
是不是會遊言轉戰 |
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14094.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].end |
14096.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5520].text |
這在國防部的立場而言 |
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14096.13 |
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14098.13 |
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是我們急需要納為 |
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14098.13 |
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14100.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].text |
考慮的重要的因素之一 |
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14100.7 |
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14102.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[5523].text |
因此我們如何能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].start |
14102.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].end |
14104.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5524].text |
厚植我們國內產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].start |
14107.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].end |
14109.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5525].text |
如果再提海空封鎖 |
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14109.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].end |
14111.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].text |
我們仍然能夠有足夠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].start |
14112.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].end |
14116.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].text |
這個產業能夠提供我們國防所需要的這些無人載具 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].start |
14116.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].end |
14118.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].text |
我想這是我們大家必須共同 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].start |
14118.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].end |
14120.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].text |
要去審慎去思考 |
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14120.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].end |
14122.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].text |
而且這個其實是一個很嚴肅的課題 |
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14125.1 |
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14127.1 |
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因為我們國家的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].start |
14126.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].end |
14128.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].text |
沒有辦法用長時間 |
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14129.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].end |
14132.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].text |
或者是用沒有敵情的這個狀況之下 |
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14132.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].end |
14134.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].text |
去做一個評估跟考驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].start |
14135.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].end |
14137.85 |
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我們所提出的2100億 |
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14138.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].end |
14140.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].text |
就是專門是為了我們自己國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].start |
14141.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5537].end |
14143.2 |
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這些產業無人性的產業 |
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14143.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5538].end |
14145.2 |
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的這些這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].start |
14145.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5539].end |
14147.5 |
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廠商 |
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14146.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].end |
14148.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5540].text |
而提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].start |
14148.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].end |
14150.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5541].text |
也就是其實都是要預注在我們國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].start |
14150.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].end |
14152.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].text |
就是讓我們的這個產業鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].start |
14152.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].end |
14154.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5543].text |
它能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].start |
14154.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].end |
14156.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5544].text |
疊帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].start |
14155.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].end |
14157.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].text |
它能夠快速 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].start |
14157.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].end |
14159.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5546].text |
包含軟體的更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].start |
14159.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].end |
14161.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].text |
硬體的更換 |
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14160.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].end |
14162.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].text |
都要能夠在我們自己國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].start |
14162.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].end |
14164.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].text |
我們就有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].start |
14164.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].end |
14166.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].text |
可以去做這樣子的一個自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].start |
14167.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].end |
14169.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].text |
所以說如果說是編在年度的預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].start |
14169.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].end |
14171.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].text |
以今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].start |
14171.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].end |
14173.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].text |
115年到目前還沒過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].start |
14174.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].end |
14176.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].text |
那如果是用在這個無人機的產業 |
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14176.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].end |
14178.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].text |
那我想我們這些 |
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14178.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].end |
14180.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].text |
這個廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].start |
14180.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].end |
14182.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].text |
他是不是能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].start |
14182.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].end |
14184.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].text |
有所期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].start |
14183.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].end |
14185.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].text |
還是他會很謹慎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].start |
14187.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].end |
14189.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].text |
他不會去投入他的資金 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].start |
14189.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].end |
14191.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].text |
去做這樣子的研發跟生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].start |
14193.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].end |
14195.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].text |
第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].start |
14194.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].end |
14196.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].text |
無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].start |
14196.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].end |
14198.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].text |
包含空中地面水下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].start |
14200.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].end |
14202.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].text |
它所使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].start |
14202.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].end |
14204.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].text |
包含暫時的消耗的補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].start |
14205.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].end |
14207.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].text |
只有國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].start |
14206.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].end |
14208.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].text |
我們最需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].start |
14208.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].end |
14210.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].text |
打的需求 |
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14210.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].end |
14212.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].text |
我們的韌性 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].start |
14211.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].end |
14213.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5571].text |
只有我們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].start |
14213.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].end |
14215.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].text |
我們的缺口 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].start |
14215.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].end |
14217.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].text |
怎麼樣才能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].start |
14217.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].end |
14219.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].text |
後衛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].start |
14218.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].end |
14220.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].text |
我們整體的防衛的這個力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].start |
14220.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].end |
14222.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].text |
因此應該是要由國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].start |
14222.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].end |
14224.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].text |
來擔任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].start |
14224.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].end |
14226.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].text |
國防自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].start |
14225.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].end |
14227.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].text |
無人載具的一個主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].start |
14228.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].end |
14230.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].text |
最後非常謝謝大院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].start |
14230.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].end |
14234.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].text |
今天邀請本部來參與今天的公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].start |
14234.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].end |
14236.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].text |
剛才 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].start |
14236.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].end |
14240.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].text |
各界還有主席所提供的這些寶貴的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].start |
14240.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].end |
14242.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].text |
我們都會納回到我們部裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].start |
14242.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].end |
14244.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].text |
再做相關的研析 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].start |
14244.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].end |
14246.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].text |
還有後續工作推動的一個參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].start |
14246.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].end |
14248.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].text |
以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].start |
14250.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].end |
14252.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].text |
好謝謝國防部陳次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].start |
14252.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].end |
14256.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].text |
最後財政部陳次長有沒有要做統統回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].start |
14262.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].end |
14264.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].start |
14264.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].end |
14268.39 |
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財政部就剛剛幾位專家學者的建議跟指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].start |
14268.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].end |
14270.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].text |
我想首先針對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].start |
14271.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].end |
14275.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].text |
這一次的無人載具為什麼要以特別預算來編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].start |
14275.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].end |
14277.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].text |
我想簡單三個理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].start |
14277.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].end |
14279.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].start |
14278.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].end |
14280.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].text |
用特別預算他的財源 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].start |
14280.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].end |
14282.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].text |
第一個比較穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].start |
14282.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].end |
14284.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].text |
也不就所謂的落實財 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].start |
14284.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].end |
14286.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].text |
我們落實財政紀律的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].start |
14287.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].end |
14293.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].text |
第二個他不會排擠目前的整個公共預算的一個編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].start |
14293.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].end |
14295.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].text |
第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].start |
14294.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].end |
14296.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].text |
這樣的一個特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].start |
14296.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].end |
14298.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].text |
我想每一筆 |
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14298.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].end |
14304.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].text |
預算的編列都是在大院的一個監督跟審核之下來完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].start |
14305.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].end |
14309.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].text |
第一個為什麼我說他是會比較固定的一個財源 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].start |
14310.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].end |
14312.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].text |
在我們特別預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].start |
14312.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].end |
14314.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].text |
他當然是所謂的一個特殊性跟重要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].start |
14314.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].end |
14316.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].text |
所以目前來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].start |
14316.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].end |
14318.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].text |
整個我們預算的編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].start |
14318.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].end |
14320.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].text |
在每一個年度上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].start |
14320.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].end |
14322.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].text |
我們按照公共債務法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].start |
14322.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].end |
14324.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].text |
我們每年目前的一個存量 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].start |
14325.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].end |
14327.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].text |
是在40.6的一個債務上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].start |
14327.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].end |
14329.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].start |
14329.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].end |
14333.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].text |
這個40.6分子是我們一年以上的收現債務分母的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].start |
14333.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].end |
14335.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].text |
是GDP的一個前三年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].start |
14336.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].end |
14338.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].text |
讓各位都知道這幾年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].start |
14338.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].end |
14340.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].text |
我們行政院透過各項的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].start |
14340.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].end |
14342.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].text |
對產業的一個扶持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].start |
14342.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].end |
14344.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].text |
對一個產業的一個提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].start |
14344.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].end |
14346.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].text |
我們GDP每年都在往上提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].start |
14346.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].end |
14348.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].text |
也就從我們的一個在線40.6的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].start |
14348.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].end |
14350.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].text |
我們目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].start |
14350.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].end |
14352.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].text |
截至目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].start |
14352.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].end |
14354.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].text |
我們的債務上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].start |
14354.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].end |
14356.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].text |
是只有22.6% |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].start |
14356.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].end |
14358.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].text |
也就是說我們大概還有18%的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].start |
14361.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].end |
14363.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].text |
債務可以來融資跟舉介 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].start |
14363.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].end |
14365.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].text |
所以我們整體而言 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].start |
14365.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].end |
14367.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].text |
這個我們的特別預算的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].start |
14367.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].end |
14369.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].text |
我們會依據這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].start |
14369.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].end |
14371.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].text |
債務存量的一個管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].start |
14371.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].end |
14373.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].text |
我們會落實財政機率 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].start |
14373.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].end |
14375.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].text |
第二點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].start |
14375.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].end |
14377.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].text |
不排除現有的政府的施政的其他的一個預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].start |
14380.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].end |
14382.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].text |
剛剛所提到我們分六年來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].start |
14382.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].end |
14384.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].text |
它有什麼好處 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].start |
14384.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].end |
14386.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].text |
第一個我們會用過去的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].start |
14386.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].end |
14388.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].text |
稅金證語我們過去有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].start |
14388.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].end |
14390.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].text |
存留一些稅金證語 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].start |
14390.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].end |
14392.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].text |
還有我們可以用舉債的方式來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].start |
14392.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].end |
14394.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].text |
這樣的一個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].start |
14394.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].end |
14396.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].text |
我們會避免一次性的支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].start |
14396.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].end |
14398.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].text |
來跟我們的總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].start |
14398.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].end |
14400.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].text |
來做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].start |
14399.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].end |
14401.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].text |
影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].start |
14401.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].end |
14403.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].text |
所以它在一般預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].start |
14403.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].end |
14405.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].text |
跟我們目前的特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].start |
14405.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].end |
14407.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].text |
它是分開獨立的來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].start |
14406.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].end |
14408.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].text |
第三點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].start |
14408.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].end |
14410.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].text |
我們會所謂的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].start |
14410.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].end |
14412.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].text |
我們會這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].start |
14412.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].end |
14414.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].text |
用所謂的一個特別預算的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].start |
14414.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].end |
14416.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].text |
我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].start |
14416.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].end |
14418.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].text |
行政院的草案如果通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].start |
14418.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].end |
14420.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].text |
我們會在國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].start |
14420.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].end |
14422.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].text |
主計總處它的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].start |
14422.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].end |
14424.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].text |
編列的預算情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].start |
14424.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].end |
14426.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].text |
我們會按照整個不管是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].start |
14426.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].end |
14428.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].text |
我們的財政紀律法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].start |
14428.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].end |
14430.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].text |
公共債務法以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].start |
14430.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].end |
14432.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].text |
我們整個的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].start |
14432.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].end |
14434.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].text |
相關的規定來落實財務的管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].start |
14434.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].end |
14436.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].text |
落實我們財政紀律 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].start |
14436.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].end |
14438.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].text |
當然最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].start |
14438.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].end |
14440.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].text |
財政部除了剛剛說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].start |
14440.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].end |
14442.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].text |
一個預算的編列之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].start |
14442.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].end |
14444.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].text |
也有委員專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].start |
14444.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].end |
14446.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].text |
指教的就是針對我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].start |
14446.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].end |
14448.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].text |
一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].start |
14448.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].end |
14450.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].text |
對於產業的提升的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].start |
14450.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].end |
14452.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].text |
我想我們會持續 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].start |
14452.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].end |
14454.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].text |
對於這個無人載具的一個產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].start |
14454.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].end |
14456.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].text |
我們提供多項的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].start |
14456.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].end |
14458.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].text |
租稅優惠一起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].start |
14458.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].end |
14460.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].text |
讓我們的產業不管在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].start |
14460.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].end |
14462.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].text |
升級或轉型上面都更大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].start |
14462.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].end |
14464.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].text |
一個空間跟更大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].start |
14464.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].end |
14466.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].text |
一個優惠的一個措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].start |
14467.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].end |
14469.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].text |
大概以上財政部的一個補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].start |
14469.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].end |
14471.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].start |
14471.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].end |
14473.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].text |
好謝謝陳次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].start |
14473.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].end |
14475.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].text |
今天列席的行政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].start |
14475.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].end |
14477.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].text |
不會陳其的統籌回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].start |
14477.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].end |
14479.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].text |
我就讓三位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].start |
14479.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].end |
14481.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].text |
代表來做一個統合的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].start |
14481.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].end |
14483.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].text |
回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].start |
14483.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].end |
14485.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].text |
那基於今天我們硬要出席的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].start |
14485.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].end |
14487.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].text |
推薦的學者專家的名額關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].start |
14487.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].end |
14489.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].text |
那我手上主席這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].start |
14489.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].end |
14491.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].text |
特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].start |
14491.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].end |
14493.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].text |
因為限於名額不能獲推薦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].start |
14493.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].end |
14495.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].text |
來擔任今天發言的學者專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].start |
14495.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].end |
14497.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].text |
但是他的書面意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].start |
14497.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].end |
14499.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].text |
我這邊代為宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].start |
14498.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].end |
14500.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].text |
那麼新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].start |
14500.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].end |
14502.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].text |
許興盛董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].start |
14502.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].end |
14504.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].text |
說本公司一直以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].start |
14504.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].end |
14506.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].text |
做事物流及急難救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].start |
14508.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].end |
14510.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].text |
近日更與日本簽訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].start |
14510.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].end |
14512.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].text |
MOU領域包括民用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].start |
14512.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].end |
14514.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].text |
野生動物保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].start |
14513.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].end |
14515.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].text |
積極的跟外國進行國際串聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].start |
14515.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].end |
14517.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].text |
這部分非常 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].start |
14517.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].end |
14519.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].text |
仰仗政府的公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].start |
14519.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].end |
14521.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].text |
支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].start |
14521.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].end |
14523.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].text |
雖然這樣的高速不確定的環境下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].start |
14523.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].end |
14525.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].text |
可能導致業者投入的前功盡棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].start |
14525.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].end |
14527.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].text |
行政院442億統籌型計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].start |
14527.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].end |
14529.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].text |
若遭統三 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].start |
14529.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].end |
14531.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].text |
不同於之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].start |
14531.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].end |
14533.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].text |
他所拿到的產創 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].start |
14533.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].end |
14535.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].text |
福祉計畫更可能因此而中斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].start |
14535.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].end |
14537.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].text |
對於廠商的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].start |
14537.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].end |
14539.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].text |
極度不利 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].start |
14539.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].end |
14541.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].text |
因此作為供應鏈上下游都非常關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].start |
14541.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].end |
14543.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].text |
市場的變動若是不確定持續下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].start |
14543.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].end |
14545.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].text |
可能造成部分供應商退場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].start |
14545.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].end |
14547.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].text |
進一步引發供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].start |
14547.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].end |
14549.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].text |
失序的危機 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].start |
14549.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].end |
14551.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].text |
因此無論是執政黨或在野黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].start |
14551.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].end |
14553.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].text |
懇請朝野共同拿出討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].start |
14553.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].end |
14555.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].text |
出定案讓業界能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].start |
14555.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].end |
14557.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].text |
有一個安定發展的環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].start |
14557.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].end |
14559.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].text |
後時整個無人載具的供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].start |
14559.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].end |
14561.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].text |
好以上呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].start |
14561.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].end |
14563.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].text |
是因為受限名額我們無法邀請他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].start |
14563.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].end |
14565.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].text |
來擔任今天出席的學者專家的發言內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].start |
14565.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].end |
14567.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].text |
那有本席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].start |
14567.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].end |
14569.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].text |
待會宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].start |
14569.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].end |
14571.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].text |
就列入我們公報記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].start |
14571.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].end |
14573.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].text |
好那麼依據立法院職權新司法規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].start |
14573.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].end |
14575.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].text |
委員會應提出公聽會報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].start |
14575.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].end |
14577.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].text |
送交本院全體委員及出席者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].start |
14577.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].end |
14579.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].text |
公聽會報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].start |
14579.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].end |
14581.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].text |
作為審查特定議案之參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].start |
14583.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].end |
14585.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].text |
感謝各位專家學者提供寶貴的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].start |
14585.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].end |
14587.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].text |
所有初練習人員的發言及提供的說明資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].start |
14587.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].end |
14589.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].text |
除刊登公報之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].start |
14589.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].end |
14591.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].text |
我們會另外製作公聽會報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].start |
14591.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].end |
14593.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].text |
送交本院全體委員及所有初練習人員參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].start |
14593.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].end |
14595.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].text |
再次感謝各位的參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].start |
14595.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].end |
14597.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].text |
本次公聽會到此結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].start |
14597.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].end |
14599.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].text |
散會 |