| IVOD_ID |
17607 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17607 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-22T08:36:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-22T10:50:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:13:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbeb0212237ce0bb1960fe77b851cc70d1b5b204f4a37948b921d98724abf76fac5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查：
（一） 本院委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二） 本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「能源管理法第七條條文修正草案」案。
（三） 本院委員蔡其昌等19人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（四） 本院委員鍾佳濱等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（五） 本院委員邱議瑩等17人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
二、審查：
（六） 行政院函請審議「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」。
（七） 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（八） 本院委員郭國文等16人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
（九） 本院委員徐欣瑩等16人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十） 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「能源管理法第二條條文修正草案」案。
（十一） 本院委員楊瓊瓔等23人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十二） 本院委員陳亭妃等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十三） 本院委員邱志偉等16人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。（詢答）
（第十三案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查。）） |
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08:36:03 - 10:50:00 |
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1455.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
1456.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
请宣读上次会议之路 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
1458.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
1460.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
立白院第十一届第五会及经济委员会 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
1460.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
1462.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
第二十一次全体委员会议事录 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
1462.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
1462.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
时间 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
1462.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
1464.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
一百一十五年七月十五月星期三 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
1464.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
1466.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
九十至十四十五十四分 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
1466.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
1467.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
地点 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
1467.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
1468.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
红楼101会议室 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
1468.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
1469.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
初期委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
1469.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
1470.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
陈丁飞等十四人 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
1470.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
1470.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
列席委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
1470.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
1471.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
洪孟凯等七人 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
1471.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
1472.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
列席人员 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
1472.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
1474.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
经济部常务次长赖建进等 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
1474.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
1474.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
1474.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
1476.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
红昭纪委员郁祥 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
1476.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
1477.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
报告事项 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
1477.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
1478.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
宣读上次会议事录 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
1478.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
1479.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
决定 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
1479.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
1479.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
确定 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
1479.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
1480.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
台湾事项 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
1480.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
1481.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
一 继续审查 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
1481.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
1483.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
一 白一十年度中央政府总议判案 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
1483.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
1485.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
附属当务预算营业部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
1485.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
1486.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
关于经济部主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
1486.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
1488.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
台湾电力股份有限公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
1488.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
1489.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
台湾糖业股份有限公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
1489.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
1490.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
决议 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
1490.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
1490.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
假 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
1490.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
1491.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
经济部主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
1491.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
1493.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
一 台湾糖业股份有限公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
1493.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
1494.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
二 业务计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
1494.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1496.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
应依据营业收支生产成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
1496.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1497.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
转投资 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
1497.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1499.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
重大制建设事业及资金运用等 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1499.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1500.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
现场之审查结果 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1500.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1501.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
随同调整 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1501.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1502.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
二 营业收支 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1503.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1504.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
营业总收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1504.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1507.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
367亿8,768万9千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1507.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1508.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
营业总支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1508.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1509.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
不含所得税费用 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1509.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1512.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
原列307亿8,720万元 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1512.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1513.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
简列 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1513.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1514.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
营业费用向下 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1514.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1516.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
管理费用支服务费 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1516.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1517.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
800万元 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1517.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1517.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
据均照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1517.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1520.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
改列为307亿7,920万元 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1520.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1522.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
三 税前经历 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1522.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1524.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
原列60亿48万9千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1524.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1525.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
增列800万元 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1525.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1528.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
改列为60亿848万9千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1528.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1529.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
三 生产成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1529.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1530.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
随同营业总支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1530.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1531.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
审查结果调整 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1532.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1533.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
四 转投资计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1533.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1534.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
减少投资 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1534.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1536.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
4亿7,468万元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1536.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1538.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
五 中高资建设事业 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1538.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1540.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
10亿1,518万7千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1541.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1542.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
六 资金运用 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1542.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1544.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
因依据营业收支 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1544.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1545.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
生产成本 盈亏拨捕 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1545.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1548.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
转投资及中高资建设事业 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1548.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1550.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
等项支审查结果随同调整 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1550.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1551.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
七 补办预算无列数 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
1551.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1553.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
八 通过决议72项 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
1553.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1556.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
二 台湾电力股份连线公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
1556.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1557.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
一 计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
1557.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1558.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
因依据营业收支 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
1558.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
1559.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
生产成本 转投资 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1559.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1560.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
中高资建设事业 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
1560.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
1562.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
及资金运用等项支 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
1562.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
1564.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
审查结果随同调整 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
1564.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
1566.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
营业收支 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
1566.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
1566.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
营业总收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
1567.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
1568.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
一兆23亿 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
1568.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
1570.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
6275万6千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
1570.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
1571.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
营业总支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
1571.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
1572.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
不含所得税费用 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
1572.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
1574.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
一兆303亿 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
1574.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
1576.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
8,638万千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
1576.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
1577.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
税金进损 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
1577.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
1577.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
280亿 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
1577.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
1579.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
2,362万 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
1579.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
1579.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
5千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
1580.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
1581.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
三 生产成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
1581.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
1582.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
随同营业总支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
1582.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
1583.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
审查结果调整 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
1583.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
1584.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
四 转投资计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
1584.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
1586.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
增加投资剩7亿 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
1586.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
1588.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
499万5千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
1588.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
1589.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
五 壮大资建设事业 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
1589.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
1590.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
2,611亿 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
1590.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
1593.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
4,288万2千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
1593.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
1594.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
六 资金运用 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
1594.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
1596.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
因依据营业收支生产成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
1596.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
1597 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
盈亏拨捕 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
1597 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
1599 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
转投资及壮大资建设事业 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
1599 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
1600.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
等项支审查结果随同调整 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
1600.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
1602.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
七 补办预算无列数 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
1602.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
1604.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
八 通过决议130项 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
1604.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
1606.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
二 继续审查115年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
1606.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
1607.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
中央政府总预算案 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
1607.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
1608.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
附属单位预算 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
1608.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
1609.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
分营业部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
1609.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
1611.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
关于经济部主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
1611.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
1612.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
经济作业基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
1612.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
1613.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
水资源作业基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
1613.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
1614.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
经济代表收入基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
1614.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
1617.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
及核能发电后端营运基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
1617.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
1617.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
决议 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
1618.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
1619.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
以经济部主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
1619.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
1620.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
一 作业基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
1620.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
1622.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
经济作业基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
1622.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
1623.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
一 计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
1623.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
1625.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
依据业务收支转投资 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
1625.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
1626.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
固定资产建设改良扩充 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
1626.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
1629.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
及资金运用等项支审查结果随同调整 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
1629.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
1630.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
二 业务收支 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
1630.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
1631.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
营业总收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
1631.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
1634.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
91亿1345万9千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
1634.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
1636.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
营业总支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
1636.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
1639.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
81亿864万6千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
1639.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
1640.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
本级剩余 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
1640.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
1642.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
10亿481万3千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
1643.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
1644.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
三 节教公布金额 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
1644.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
1646.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
2718万6千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
1646.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
1648.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
四 转投资计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
1648.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
1648.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
无劣数 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
1648.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
1651.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
五 固定资产建设改良扩充 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
1651.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
1653.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
28亿6101万5千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
1653.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
1655.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
六 国库增拨基金额 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
1655.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
1657.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
60亿元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
1658.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
1658.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
四 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
1659.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
1663.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
五 固定资产建设改良扩充 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
1663.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
1665.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
28亿6101万5千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
1665.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
1667.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
六 国库增拨基金额 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
1667.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
1668.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
60亿元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
1668.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
1671 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
七 通过局域52项 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
1671 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
1671.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
二 作业基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
1671.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
1672.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
水资源作业基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
1673.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
1674.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
业务计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
1674.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
1675.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
应用剧业务收支 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
1675.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
1676.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
转投资 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
1676.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
1678.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
固定资产建设改良扩充 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
1678.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
1679.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
及资金应用等项制审查结果 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
1679.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
1680.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
随便调整 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
1681.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
1682.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
业务收支 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
1682.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
1683.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
业务转收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
1684.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
1684.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
100亿 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
1685.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
1687.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
215万9千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
1687.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
1687.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
右总支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
1687.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
1690.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
115亿7,317万8千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
1691.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
1692.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
本级短促 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
1692.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
1695.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
15亿7,101万9千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
1695.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
1696.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
三 结交公布金额为列数 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
1696.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
1698.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
四 转投资计划为列数 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
1698.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
1700.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
五 固定资产建设改良扩充 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
1700.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
1702.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
33亿6,420万6千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
1702.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
1704.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
六 国库增拨基金额 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
1704.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
1707.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
13亿1,637万2千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
1708.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
1709.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
继续通过决议16项 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
1709.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
1710.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
三 特别收入基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
1710.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
1712.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
经济特别收入基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
1713.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
1713.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
业务计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
1713.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
1716.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
一 基金来源与用途审查结果 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
1716.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
1717.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
随同调整 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
1717.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
1719.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
二 基金来源用途及余数 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
1719.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
1721.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
一 基金来源 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
1721.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
1724.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
317亿7,849万1千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
1724.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
1724.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
基金用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
1724.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
1727.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
原列306亿8,784万3千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
1727.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
1729.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
简列贸易图款工作计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
1729.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
1730.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
向下服务费用支 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
1730.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
1731.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
零费100万元 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
1731.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
1732.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
基金照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
1732.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
1736.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
改列为306亿8,684万3千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
1736.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
1736.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
本级剩余 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
1736.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
1738.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
原列10亿9,064万8千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
1738.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
1739.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
增列100万元 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
1739.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
1742.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
改列为10亿9千164万8千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
1742.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
1743.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
三 结架公布列数 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
1744.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
1746.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
是通过决议101项 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
1746.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
1747.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
是特别收入基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
1747.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
1749.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
核能发电后端营营基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
1749.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
1750.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
一 业务计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
1750.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
1752.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
因依据基金来源与用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
1752.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
1754.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
审查结果随同调整 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
1754.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
1756.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
二 基金来源用途及余数 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
1756.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
1757.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
基金来源 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
1757.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
1760.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
60亿1627万5千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
1760.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
1761.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
基金用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
1761.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
1764.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
97亿3308万1千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
1764.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
1765.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
本级短促 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
1765.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
1768.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
37亿1680万6千元照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
1768.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
1769.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
结架公布列数 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
1770.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
1771.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
是通过决议13项 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
1773.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
1775.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
115年度中央政府总议宣案 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
1775.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
1776.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
本会负责审查之 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
1776.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
1778.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
互主当务预算营业及非营业部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
1778.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
1780.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
基于审查完进女继审查报告 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
1780.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
1782.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
提报财政委员会会诊 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
1782.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
1783.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
本会审查结果 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
1783.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
1785.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
需叫党团协商 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
1785.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
1786.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
本院会讨论时 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
1786.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
1787.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
门会部主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
1787.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
1788.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
国家发展委员会主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
1788.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
1790.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
非营业预算及 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
1790.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
1791.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
台湾中文股份隐性公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
1791.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
1793.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
台湾自来水股份隐性公司部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
1793.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
1796.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
由邱吉文自委出席说明 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
1796.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
1796.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
经济部主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
1796.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
1798.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
公民交易委员会主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
1798.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
1799.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
非营业预算部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
1799.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
1801.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
及台湾电力股份隐性公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
1801.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
1802.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
台湾糖业股份隐性公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
1802.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
1805.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
由洪钊文亦祥出席说明 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
1805.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
1805.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
主席宣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
1805.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
1807.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
本次会议通过之决议 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
1807.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
1808.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
文字授权主席及 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
1808.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
1810.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
14年整理上会宣布完毕 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
1810.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
1810.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
好 谢谢 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
1812.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
1813.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
在场没有委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
1813.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
1814.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
我们依次度在幕处 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
1814.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
1815.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
在幕处理 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
1815.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
1816.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
好 我们继续进行讨论事项 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
1816.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
1817.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
请一边宣吐 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
1817.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
1819.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
讨论事项 依继续审查 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
1820.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
1822.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
本院委员赖月杨等17人 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
1822.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
1823.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
委员蔡其昌等19人 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
1823.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
1824.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
委员钟家斌等20人 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
1824.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
1825.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
分别拟具能源管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
1825.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
1827.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
部分调研修正查案等3案 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
1827.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
1829.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
本院委员杨强英等21人 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
1829.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
1830.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
拟具能源管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
1830.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
1832.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
第7条调研修正查案 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
1832.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
1833.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
本院委员邱立仪等17人 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
1833.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
1835.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
拟具能源管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
1835.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
1837 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
增定第19条之2及 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
1837 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
1839.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
第27条之1调研修正查案 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
1839.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
1839.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
2 审查 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
1840.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
1842.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
6 行政刊写审议能源管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
1842.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
1844.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
部分调研修正查案 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
1844.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
1846.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
7 本院委员郑天才等17人 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
1846.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
1848.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
委员徐欣颖等16人 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
1848.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
1849.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
委员杨秋英等23人 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
1849.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
1851.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
委员陈婷菲等20人 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
1851.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
1852.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
委员邱志文等16人 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
1852.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
1853.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
分别拟具能源管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
1853.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
1855.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
部分调研修正查案等5案 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
1855.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
1857.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
把本院委员郭国文等16人 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
1857.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
1858.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
拟具能源管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
1858.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
1860.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
增定第19条之2及 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
1860.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
1862.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
第27条之1调研修正查案 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
1862.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
1864.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
9 本院委员郑天才等16人 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
1864.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
1865.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
拟具能源管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
1865.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
1866.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
第2条调研修正查案 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
1866.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
1867.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
宣言毕 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
1870.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
1870.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
1871.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
1872.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
1872.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
1876.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
本期所排列议程是 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
1876.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
1879.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
所列的讨论事项为 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
1879.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
1881.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
能源管理法部分调研修正查案 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
1881.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
1882.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
一共有13案 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
1882.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
1885 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
本日只有进行巡达 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
1885.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
1887.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
不做调温的处理 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
1887.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
1887.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
1887.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
1890.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
我们现在先请经济部 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
1890.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
1892.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
共鸣星港府长 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
1892.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
1894.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
就委员提案跟行政版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
1894.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
1894.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
做合并报告 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
1894.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
1895.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
请港府长 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
1905.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
1906.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
今天很感谢 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
1906.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
1908.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
会委员会邀请相关单位 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
1910.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
1912.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
本部共同来探讨 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
1912.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
1915.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
能源管理法修正查案的相关提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
1915.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
1917.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
本人非常荣幸有这个机会 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
1917.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
1920.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
向会委员会的委员提出报告 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
1920.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
1922.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
敬请各位委员不吝指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
1923.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
1925.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
有关于能源管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
1925.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
1928.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
是规范我国能源需求面 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
1928.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
1931.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
绝对能源跟能源效率管理的主要法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
1931.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
1934.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
那本次行政院跟各位委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
1934.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
1936.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
拟具的能源管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
1936.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
1939.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
修正的查案总计有13案 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
1939.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
1941.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
那有关于本次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
1941.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
1943.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
行政院审议通过的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
1943.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
1944.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
修法的重点 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
1944.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
1947.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
大致可归纳为五个方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
1948 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
1950.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
第一个是将再生能源还有热能 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
1950.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
1953.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
纳入的能源范围 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
1953.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
1955.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
以因应新兴的能源管理的需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
1956.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
1959.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
第二个是公开能源销售统计资料 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
1960.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
1962.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
以去识别化的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
1962.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
1966.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
公开行业别、区域别、用电等等的资讯 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
1966.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
1968.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
将有助于规划因地制宜的节能措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
1969.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
1971.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
第三是增定能源大户 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
1971.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
1974.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
因设置、自用发电跟储能设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
1974.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
1978.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
有助于强化企业界它能源自己的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
1979.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
1983.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
第四个是强化地方政府节能的稽查能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
1983.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
1986.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
落实地方节能措施的执行角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
1986.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
1988.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
第五是加重违法的罚折 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
1988.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
1991.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
以提高这个罚款金额的上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
1991.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
1994.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
公布违法业者的名称跟事由等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
1994.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
1996.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
来促使业者重视节能 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
1998 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
2002.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
另外有关于大院所拟据的修正案 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
2002.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
2005.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
考量到数量比较多 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
2005.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
2006.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
针对各位委员提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
2006.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
2010.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
本部已经按照这个次序提出了书面报告 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
2010.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
2014.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
以下我就综合进行口头说明 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
2014.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
2017.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
首先事实上多数的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
2017.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
2019.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
委员多数提案的内容 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
2019.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
2023.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
跟行政院审议的版本大致上是差不多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
2023.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
2027.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
包括了第二条、第六条、六至一条 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
2027.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
2031.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
第七条、第九条、第十条、十八条 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
2031.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
2033.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
等等相关的条例的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
2033.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
2035.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
大致方向是一样的 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
2035.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
2037.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
但是除此之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
2037.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
2040.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
也有委员针对特定的议题 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
2040.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
2041.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
有另外的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
2041.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
2044.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
大概有五个案子以下做说明 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
2044.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
2047.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
第一个是针对针对3C1条的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
2047.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
2050.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
就中央主管机关应协助公务机关 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
2050.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
2053.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
还有公有机关、公有事业机关 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
2053.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
2058 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
订定节约的这个目标跟实行的计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
2058 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
2059.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
那考量到基本上这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
2059.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
2062.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
现行的架构跟管理的机制已经有了 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
2062.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
2064.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
所以我们是不是就建议回归到 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
2064.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
2066.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
现行的相关法制来办理 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
2067.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
2071.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
第二点是针对第五条 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
2071.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
2074.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
增定能源研究的基金的用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
2074.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
2077.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
用来补助跟奖励推广的能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
2077.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
2081.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
提高能源使用效率的设备跟机具 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
2081.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
2083.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
那考量到这样的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
2083.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
2087.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
已经涵盖在第二条的第二项第二款 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
2087.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
2091.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
那大致上的这个制印也在进行当中 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
2091.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
2093.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
是不是也建议维持现行的条文 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
2094.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
2096.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
那第三点是针对第七条 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
2096.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
2098.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
增定能源供应事业 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
2098.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
2103.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
因设置能源除能设备以及设置节能设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
2103.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
2106.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
那考量到现在的这个电业法 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
2106.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
2108.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
已经有类似的相关的规范 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
2108.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
2110.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
是不是我们建议就是维持 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
2110.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
2113.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
行政院审议过的这些版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
2113.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
2116.84 |
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那第四点就是针对于第七条之一 |
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2116.84 |
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2118.2 |
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还有第十条之一 |
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2118.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
2120.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
救火力发电还有气电工声设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
2120.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
2123.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
因申报机组还有排放的资料 |
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2123.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
2125.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
那考量到现在 |
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2125.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
2126.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
电业法的第六十六条 |
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2126.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
2129.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
还有能源管理法的第七条 |
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2129.36 |
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2130.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
第十二条 |
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2130.68 |
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2132.88 |
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已经分别有相关的规范 |
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2132.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
2135.4 |
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申报的一些规定 |
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2135.4 |
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2138.32 |
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是不是就建议维持现行的 |
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2138.32 |
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2140.04 |
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这个申报的相关的资料 |
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2140.73 |
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2142.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
那第五点是针对 |
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2142.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
2144.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
增定第十九条之二 |
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2144.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
2145.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
还有它的法则 |
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2145.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
2147.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
不得故意散播 |
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2147.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
2148.41 |
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影响国家能源供应 |
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2148.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
2151.45 |
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还有能源这个基础设置 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
2151.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
2153.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
不实谣言跟假讯息 |
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2153.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
2156.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
那这个部分我们尊重开放讨论 |
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2156.41 |
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2157.49 |
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那整体而言 |
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2157.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
2159.85 |
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本次的修法将有助于 |
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2159.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
2161.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
能源管理的这个透明度 |
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2161.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
2162.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
还有执行效率 |
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2162.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
2164.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
也能够强化企业 |
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2164.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
2166.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
对于节能的意识 |
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2166.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
2167.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
还有用电的责任 |
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2168.07 |
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2171.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
促使节能能够逐步的落实为 |
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2171.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
2173.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
企业日常管理的一部分 |
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2173.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
2175.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
那后事将持续掺拙各界的意见 |
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2175.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
2177.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
并考整体的考量 |
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2177.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
2179.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
电源盘还有再生产发展条例 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
2179.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
2182.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
等等相关法规规的一致性 |
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2182.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
2185.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
建议以行政院审议通过的版本为基础 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
2185.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
2189.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
那么跟各位委员来一并审查讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
2190.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
2192.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
以上报告,敬请指教 |
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2196.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
2198.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
谢谢国务长详细的报告 |
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2199.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
2203.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
这个今日议程讨论是向我们合并的询答 |
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2203.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
2205.19 |
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委员咨询之前 |
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2205.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
2207.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
主席做以下宣告 |
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2207.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
2210.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
每位委员发言时间本会委员六分钟 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
2210.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
2212.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
必要时延长一分钟 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
2212.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
2214.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
非法委员会委员四分钟 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
2214.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
2215.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
上午十点 |
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2216.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
2218.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
十点截止发言登记 |
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2218.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
2219.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
首先请登记第一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
2219.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
2220.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
请邱毅文发言 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
2228.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
2231.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
请不吝点赞 订阅 转发 打赏支持明镜与点点栏目 |
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2232.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
2234.34 |
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我想凑人就让你过 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
2238.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
2239.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
谢谢主席 我请一下港部长 |
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2239.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
2240.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
请金金部港部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
2247.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
2248.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
部长早 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
2248.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
2249.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
部长我想请教 |
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2249.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
2252.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
我们今天在讨论这个能源管理法的修正草案 |
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2252.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
2253.35 |
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是 |
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2255.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
2256.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
先来看第十条 |
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2257.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
2259.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
刚刚您的报告里头也很清楚的谈到 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
2259.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
2262.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
我们在第十条的修正内容是 |
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2262.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
2268.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
希望这些用电大户能够自行设置所谓的发电跟除能设备 |
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2268.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
2269.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
对不对 |
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2269.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
2270 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
2270 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
2270.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
2270.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
2271.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
请教第一个问题 |
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2271.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
2273.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
您所谓的用电大户是用电大概多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
2273.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
2275.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
算是用电大户 |
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2275.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
2278.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
依照我们的再生能源管理条例是5000千瓦 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
2278.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
2279.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
算是用电大户 |
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2279.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
2280.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
对不对 |
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2280.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
2281.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
这个标准有没有改变 |
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2283.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
2285.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
我们是希望在执法里面来做一些讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
2285.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
2288.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
那会跟相关业者做一些讨论 |
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2288.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
2291.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
所以你的用电大户的定义还没有定出来 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
2291.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
2293.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
多少叫做用电大户 |
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2293.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
2294.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
这个要在执法里面做讨论 |
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2294.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
2297.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
但是你母法里面就直接写用电大户 |
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2297.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
2300.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
到时候我不知道什么叫用电大户 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
2300.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
2303.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
我要怎么跟你继续讨论下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
2303.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
2304.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
事实上大致上 |
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2304.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
2306.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
刚刚委员提到的这个 |
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2306.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
2308.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
你如果是依照再生能源条例的5000千瓦 |
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2308.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
2310.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
算是用电大户 |
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2310.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
2311.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
未来的标准会改变吗 |
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2313.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
2315.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
执法会大致上这个方向 |
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2315.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
2318.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
那我们还会跟利害关系人做一些讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
2318.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
2320.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
不过委员刚刚提的那个 |
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2320.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
2322.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
是我们大概一个基础 |
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2322.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
2322.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
2322.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
2323.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
会以那个基础 |
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2323.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
2325.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
那第二个问题想请教 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
2325.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
2330.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
如果你这样子界定所谓的用电大户的定义之后 |
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2331.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
2334.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
我们的这个条文内容写得非常清楚 |
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2334.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
2339.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
要它设置自用的发电跟除能设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
2340.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
2342.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
那我进一步请教 |
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2342.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
2343.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
这些用电大户 |
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2343.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
2345.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
我想未来不可能只有工厂 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
2346.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
2349.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
有可能是这些大型的商贩 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
2350.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
2352.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
或者是大型的商场等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
2353.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
2356.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
或者是一些企业的总部 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
2356.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
2358.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
或者是资料中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
2359.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
2363.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
未来的这一些AI大数据的这一些资料中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
2363.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
2368.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
它可能都会设立在所谓的都会区里头 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
2368.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
2369.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
那我进一步请教 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
2369.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
2370.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
在这些都会区里面 |
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2370.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
2371.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
这些建筑 |
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2371.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
2372.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
它非常有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
2372.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
2377.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
它缺乏所谓的大面积可以让你做除能的设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
2377.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
2381.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
或者是大面积可以让你做所谓的太阳能光电 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
2381.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
2381.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
那它 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
2382.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
2383.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
如何来 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
2384.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
2387.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
符合您的条文里头规定 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
2387.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
2390.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
自用发电跟除能设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
2390.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
2393.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
如果它没有足够的空间可以来设立的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
2393.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
2394.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
那这些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
2394.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
2395.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
他不是不设哦 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
2395.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
2397.62 |
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是他根本没有附地可以设 |
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2398.1 |
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2398.82 |
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那请教 |
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2399.69 |
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2402.89 |
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我们马上就讲说你没有设的话就罚钱 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
2403.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
2405.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
那请问我们要怎么样协助他们 |
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2405.97 |
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2408.21 |
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那八位这个就是我刚刚提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
2408.21 |
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2411.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
就是说为什么我们要跟相关的利害关系人 |
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2411.97 |
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2413.09 |
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做一个具体的讨论 |
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2413.09 |
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2415.81 |
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要实际上可行才可以 |
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2415.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
2417.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
相关的利害关系人是谁 |
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2417.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
2418.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
比如说 |
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2418.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
2420.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
刚刚您他提到了这个用电档 |
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2420.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
2421.85 |
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我讲的这些商办 |
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2421.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
2422.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
商场 |
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2422.65 |
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2424.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
或者是AI资料中心 |
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2424.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
2424.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
对对对 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
2425.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
2426.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
最近有一个 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
2426.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
2428.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
有一个 |
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2428.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
2429.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
2429.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
2431.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
业者来找我讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
2431.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
2433.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
他们想要在这些商办 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
2433.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
2435.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
或者是大型的商场 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
2435.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
2439.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
去设置所谓的高效率天然气发电机组 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
2439.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
2441.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
部长您知道这件事情吗 |
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2441.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
2443.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
就是固定式的这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
2443.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
2443.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
对 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
2443.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
2446.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
固定式的所谓的天然气的发电机组 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
2446.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
2448.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
可是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
2448.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
2450.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
现在的法令定定不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
2451.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
2454.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
所以他这些天然机组的设置 |
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2454.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
2455.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
是属于 |
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2456.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
2457.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
经济部主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
2457.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
2459.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
还是属于地方政府主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
2459.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
2460.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
他设置在商场里面 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
2460.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
2463.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
他设置在这个所谓的办公大楼里面 |
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2463.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
2465.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
是在台北市 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
2465.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
2467.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
可是台北市又有这一个 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
2467.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
2469.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
都市计划里面的这些管理条例 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
2472.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
2474.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
部长这个当然是很细 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
2474.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
2477.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
所以你们未来在执法的讨论上面 |
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2477.5 |
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2479.34 |
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是不是应该 |
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2479.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
2480.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
跨部会 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
2481.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
2483.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
来做相关的执法的定定 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
2483.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
2484.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
对 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
2484.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
2485.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
我们不能一开始就告诉你说 |
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2485.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
2486.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
你不设的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
2486.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
2487.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
我要给你罚钱 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
2487.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
2489.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
但他要怎么设 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
2489.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
2490.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
他能够怎么设立 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
2492.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
2494.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
包括这些除电的设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
2494.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
2495.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
发电的设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
2495.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
2497.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
在都会地区 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
2497.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
2498.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
他能够怎么设 |
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2498.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
2502.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
其实这些大概现在都是一个很模糊的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
2502.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
2503.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
来部长能不能说明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
2503.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
2504.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
2504.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
2505.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
所以刚刚委员报告 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
2505.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
2506.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
就像您讲的 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
2506.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
2509.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
这个事实上他是非常多元而复杂 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
2509.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
2510.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
所以我们会找厉害关系的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
2510.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
2513.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
包括地方政府相关的消防单位 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
2513.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
2515.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
会跨单位 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
2515.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
2516.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
跨机构来做一些讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
2516.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
2519.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
让这个方向可以具体可行 |
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2519.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
2521.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
往下走下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
2522.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
2526.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
那这个部分什么时候要开始具体进行 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
2526.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
2527.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
只要这个法案通过以后 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
2527.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
2529.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
在一定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
2529.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
2531.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
一般是半年内 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
2531.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
2534.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
我们执法就会要设立完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
2534.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
2535.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
其实我觉得部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
2535.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
2537.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
你如果说等法令通过以后 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
2537.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
2538.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
才把执法设立完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
2539.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
2541.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
时序上可能是会有一点慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
2541.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
2543.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
是不是应该现在就应该要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
2543.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
2546.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
各地区去听取各个业界也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
2546.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
2551.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
或者是这些未来有可能是必须被列为用电大户的这些 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
2551.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
2553.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
所谓的你讲的厉害关系人 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
2553.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
2555.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
去听取他们的意见跟想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
2555.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
2556.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
因为他们 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
2556.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
2559.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
他们自己应该都会有很多想要做除能 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
2559.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
2562.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
或者是说做自体的这些发电的供电设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
2562.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
2564.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
但是法令上面对他们来讲 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
2564.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
2566.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
其实有一点致歃难行 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
2566.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
2567.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
他也不知道要怎么样去申请 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
2567.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
2570.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
是不是你们能够来听取一下他们的意见 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
2570.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
2573.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
我们初步大概有已经有办过两场了 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
2573.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
2575.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
那后续还会持续来办理 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
2575.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
2577.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
那如果说今天讨论大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
2577.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
2580.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
对这个方向还是可以认同的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
2580.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
2581.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
那我们会加紧 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
2581.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
2585.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
而且把这个场次可以来扩充 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
2585.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
2588.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
另外其实也要再请教部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
2588.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
2590.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
关于你们这个第六条之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
2590.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
2594.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
你要你要所谓的这个供应事业要去识别化 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
2594.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
2598.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
然后我们要来公布他所谓的 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
2598.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
2601.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
这一些用电的资讯等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
2601.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
2605.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
部长这个您觉得会不会涉及到所谓的个资法 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
2605.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
2608.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
或者是对于有些营业秘密 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
2608.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
2611.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
虽然我把公司的名字弄掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
2611.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
2612.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
但是其实 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
2613.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
2616.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
有心人还是很容易去做推估 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
2616.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
2618.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
还是很容易去做判别 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
2618.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
2621.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
对 包含我们所谓的去识别化 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
2621.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
2624.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
就是要做到他没有办法判读 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
2625.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
2626.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
要做到这个部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
2626.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
2628.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
不是只有吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
2628.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
2631.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
你觉得以现在的这些所谓的科技进程 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
2631.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
2634.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
跟现在的这个网络搜寻 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
2634.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
2636.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
你如何把它做到他没有办法判别 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
2637.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
2639.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
我觉得很难 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
2639.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
2641.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
你只要公布是在哪一个工业区 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
2641.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
2642.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
哪一个区块 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
2642.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
2643.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
哪一个地段 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
2644.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
2645.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
用电多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
2645.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
2647.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
其实都很容易追溯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
2649.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
2653.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
部长这个你们应该要在好好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
2653.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
2654.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
慎重的思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
2654.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
2656.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
甚至我觉得这个跟本席提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
2657.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
2658.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
提的那个法条 |
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2658.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
2661.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
其实是有一些相关联系 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
2661.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
2662.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
我的法条讲说 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
2662.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
2664.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
任何人不得故意散播 |
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2664.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
2666.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
影响国家能源供应 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
2666.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
2667.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
国家能源基础设施 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
2667.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
2669.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
跟违反科学依据的能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
2669.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
2671.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
相关不实的谣言或假讯息 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
2671.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
2672.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
2672.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
2673.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
您支持吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
2674.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
2675.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
我们是开放讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
2675.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
2678.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
方向上我们也觉得是支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
2678.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
2680.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
散播对国家能源不实的讯息 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
2680.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
2682.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
你还跟我讲你要开放讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
2682.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
2683.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
我方向上 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
2683.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
2686.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
你支持你连支持这两个字都不敢讲 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
2686.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
2687.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
我说方向上 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
2687.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
2689.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
你讲说你是开放讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
2689.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
2691.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
后面我说我方向上我支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
2695.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
2696.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
保定我相信是这样 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
2697.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
2699.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
很不爱跟你大声 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
2699.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
2700.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
但是我觉得在 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
2701.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
2703.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
你刚讲的这一些对语 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
2704.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
2706.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
用电业者这些公司的 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
2706.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
2708.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
这些所谓的去识别化的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
2709.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
2711.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
机敏资料的保护上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
2711.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
2713.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
我觉得你们可能还要再持续的 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
2713.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
2714.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
还要再三思 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
2714.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
2716.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
还在更紧密的思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
2716.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
2718.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
因为我不认为 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
2718.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
2719.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
你这样讲 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
2719.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
2721.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
他就完全推估不出来 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
2721.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
2722.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
或者是找不出来 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
2722.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
2726.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
对于这些企业大户的这些用电资讯 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
2726.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
2728.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
那本席提的这个法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
2729.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
2732.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
我觉得这个对于国家的能源基础建设 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
2732.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
2734.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
这个是非常重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
2734.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
2735.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
我也其 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
2735.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
2736.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
2737.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
2739.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
行政院能够支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
2739.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
2741.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
你不要跟我讲说你开放讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
2742.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
2744.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
我觉得散播不时遥远这个区块 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
2744.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
2747.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
不管是在哪一个方位上面来讲 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
2747.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
2751.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
政府都应该要大力的打击这些散播假讯息 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
2751.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
2752.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
2753.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
2754.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
好 谢谢邱英伟 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
2754.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
2755.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
部长 辛苦做 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
2756.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
2759.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
我们先来确定这个上市会议事务 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
2759.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
2761.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
请问在场委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
2761.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
2762.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
上市会议事务有收 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
2763.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
2766.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
没有错 我们就确定议事务 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
2766.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
2768.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
好 我们继续质询 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
2768.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
2769.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
下位置请陈廷辉委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
2775.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
2776.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
谢谢主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
2776.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
2778.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
我们请经济部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
2778.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
2779.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
请经济部总部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
2785.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
2786.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
邱委员 早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
2786.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
2787.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
早 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
2787.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
2788.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
我想这次的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
2788.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
2790.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
包括我们也都有提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
2790.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
2793.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
就是能源管理法的一个修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
2793.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
2795.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
主要针对说 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
2795.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
2799.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
我们如果去公开能源销售的统计资料 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
2799.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
2803.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
然后能源用户应设置自用发电及除能设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
2803.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
2807.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
还有强化地方政府执行的节能 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
2807.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
2810.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
与用能的管理机能量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
2810.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
2811.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
机察量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
2811.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
2817.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
还有扩大经公告指定特定能源产品的管理授权范围 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
2817.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
2821.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
然后再有加重违法能管法的处罚 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
2821.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
2824.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
及检讨相关的违法态样 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
2824.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
2827.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
大概是这几个重点 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
2827.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
2832.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
但是我们现在如果这个修正草案过了 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
2832.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
2836.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
其实我们最担心的是你执法的定定 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
2837.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
2840.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
其实重点是在执法的定定 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
2841.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
2842.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
大范围 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
2842.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
2844.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
我刚念的都是我们的大范围 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
2844.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
2847.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
也就是这一次修法的重点 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
2847.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
2848.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
2849.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
2853.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
现在大家所担心的是你的执法 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
2853.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
2859.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
你到底要怎么定定所谓的用电大户的定力 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
2859.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
2861.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
一定容量一定期限 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
2861.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
2865.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
还有一定装置容量的这些样态 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
2865.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
2869.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
还有如何设置自用发电设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
2869.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
2872.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
与除能设备的种类 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
2872.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
2874.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
还有设置方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
2874.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
2878.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
甚至是其他相关事项的办法 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
2878.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
2882.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
这些其实都在执法当中要去定定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
2882.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
2885.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
可是这些执法还没有方向之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
2885.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
2892.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
就会影响到所有这些企业的恐慌跟担忧 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
2893.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
2896.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
所以为什么大家会很担心 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
2896.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
2898.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
就是说你的标准 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
2898.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
2900.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
因为刚刚如果听部长所说的 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
2900.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
2902.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
方向还没有很确定 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
2902.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
2910.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
你说的可能还要了解一个基本概念基础的条件 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
2910.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
2911.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
跟能源管理法相 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
2912.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
2914.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
就是那个 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
2914.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
2915.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
厉害关系人 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
2915.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
2916.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
对 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
2916.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
2920.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
所以这才会影响到大家的担忧 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
2920.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
2924.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
也就是这个能源管理法过了之后 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
2924.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
2927.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
他们会面临什么样的冲击 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
2927.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
2927.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
2927.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
2931.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
他们是不是要变成是一定要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
2931.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
2935.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
所谓的我们经济部定义的用电大户 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
2936.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
2941.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
他们是不是要有设置自用的发电设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
2941.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
2943.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
还有除能设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
2944.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
2948.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
这些他们会变成一个担忧跟担心 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
2948.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
2950.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
如果我们今天原本一个法 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
2951.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
2952.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
的一个修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
2952.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
2954.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
我们是要一个正面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
2955.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
2958.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
我们是要让区域更加有芳容 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
2958.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
2962.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
让区域更加有意识 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
2962.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
2964.86 |
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像这个里面有一个重点就是说 |
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2964.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
2965.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
2965.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
2971.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
他要强化地方政府的执行节能与用能管理的稽查量能 |
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2973.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
2975.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
这个要怎么跟地方政府 |
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2975.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
2980.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
有相对应的这些办法跟稽查的条件 |
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2980.66 |
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2981.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
这也是关键 |
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2982.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
2984.93 |
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这也是执法里面要定的 |
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2984.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
2986.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
不是咱现在过了 |
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2987.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
2988.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
你地方政府 |
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2989.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
2990.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
各吹各的调 |
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2990.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
2991.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
不是 |
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2991.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
2993.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
一定要有一个标准 |
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2995.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
2995.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
这个部分 |
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2995.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
3000.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
当我们今天如果这个修法过了 |
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3000.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
3004.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
请问我们的执法什么时候 |
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3004.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
3005.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
要 |
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3005.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
3007.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
把它推出来 |
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3007.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
3010.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
而且部长你不要忘了 |
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3010.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
3014.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
我们都市型的厂房跟老旧工业区 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
3014.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
3018.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
他实体的空间就不足了 |
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3018.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
3020.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
那我们怎么去协助厂商 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
3020.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
3025.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
去设置这些相关的除能发电设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
3026.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
3027.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
你还就考虑到这一点 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
3028.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
3030.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
当然我必须说的 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
3030.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
3031.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
这个是未来 |
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3032.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
3035.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
整个能源管理法的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
3035.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
3037.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
这是一个未来的趋势 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
3037.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3039.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
可是当我们在未来的趋势 |
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3039.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3044.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
跟现在要做一个接轨的时候 |
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3044.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3047.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
一定要有很多磨合期 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3048.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3050.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
这些磨合期 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3050.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3052.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
请问我们要订定多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3053.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3055.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
我们要谁来协助 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3055.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3058.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
我们要如何来帮忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3059.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3060.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
这些都是重点 |
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3060.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3061.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3062.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3065.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
你们已经思考到这个层面了吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
3065.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3067.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
修法很简单了 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3068.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3069.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
过于不过 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3069.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3072.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
可是修法之后 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3072.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3073.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
我的执行面 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3074 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3076.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
当你执法没定了你的执行面 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3077.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3081.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
要怎么样来把这个磨合期 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3082.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3086.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
把这样的担忧跟恐慌说得越小 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3087.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3087.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
部长 |
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3088.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3090.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
如果没有我们署长来讲也OK |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3092.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3093.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
原则上 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3093.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
3094.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
我想原则 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
3094.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
3096.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
等一下署长会做补充说明 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
3096.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
3097.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
就是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
3097.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
3098.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
我们一定 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
3098.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
3098.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
3098.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
3100.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
方向上还是用电大户 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
3100.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
3102.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
如果5M以上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
3102.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
3104.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
大概现在有700多家 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
3104.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
3105.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
3105.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
3106.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
但是我们期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
3106.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
3108.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
就是说他可以在表后里面 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
3108.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
3110.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
自己有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
3110.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
3111.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
节电 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
3111.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
3112.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
或者是用电 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
3112.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
3114.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
发电的能量跟能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
3114.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
3115.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
但是我们一定会 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
3116.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
3117.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
顾及到厂商 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
3117.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
3119.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
他的现实状况 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
3119.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
3120.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
他能不能做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
3120.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
3121.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
如果他没有办法做到的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
3121.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
3122.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
你强迫他 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
3122.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
3123.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
这样是不对的 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
3123.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
3125.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
所以我们一定在执法里面 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
3125.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
3126.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
为什么要 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
3126.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
3128.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
经过谈好 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
3128.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
3130.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
或怎么样情况之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
3130.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
3131.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
让他们可以做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
3131.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
3132.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
方向上 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
3132.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
3133.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
而且还会有一个 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
3133.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
3134.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
您刚刚提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
3134.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
3135.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
可能有过渡阶段 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
3135.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
3137.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
一定时间 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
3137.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
3139.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
让他可以真的去磨合事业 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
3139.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
3141.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
过去 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
3141.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
3143.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
过去通常是5年 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
3143.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
3144.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
但是我们现在 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
3144.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
3146.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
还是要跟大家谈 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
3146.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
3148.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
他的困难度怎么样 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
3148.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
3149.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
如果是5年的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
3149.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
3150.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
是不是可以做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
3150.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
3151.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
或是怎么样 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
3151.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
3153.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
因为整个样态都不一样 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
3153.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
3153.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
对 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
3153.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
3154.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
就我想的 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
3155.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
3156.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
这个都市型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
3156.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
3158.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
跟传统型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
3158.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
3159.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
他是完全不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
3159.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
3160.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
3160.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
3162.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
新型的工业区 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
3162.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
3164.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
跟旧的工业区 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
3164.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
3164.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
3164.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
3166.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
他的条件也不一样 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
3166.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
3166.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
3166.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
3168.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
对也许新开发的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
3168.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
3169.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
我们可能要求会 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
3169.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
3170.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
稍微严格一点 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
3170.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
3172.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
那已经存在的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
3172.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
3175.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
是不是可以用怎么样的形式 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
3175.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
3176.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
要求没有那么严格 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
3176.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
3177.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
因为他既有的厂房 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
3177.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
3178.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
已经在那边了 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
3178.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
3180.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
他没有多出的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
3180.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
3182.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
那他怎么样去处理 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
3182.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
3182.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
这个我们可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
3182.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
3183.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
部长为什么 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
3183.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
3185.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
提到这个问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
3185.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
3186.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
3186.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
3188.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
因为这是一个企业发展 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
3188.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
3189.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
一定要 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
3189.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
3191.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
这个能源管理法的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
3191.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
3193.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
这是不得不 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
3193.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
3194.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
一定要面对的 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
3194.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
3194.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
3194.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
3196.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
可是我们必须 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
3196.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
3198.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
在现在跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
3198.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
3201.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
目前的整个样态 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
3201.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
3203.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
我们也要做一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
3203.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
3204.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
所谓的 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
3204.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
3205.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
3205.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
3207.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
什么样的 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
3207.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
3209.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
要进行到什么程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
3209.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
3210.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
第二样态的 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
3210.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
3211.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
进行到什么程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
3211.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
3213.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
一定要有这些资料 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
3213.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
3215.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
因为台南市 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
3215.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
3218.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
是工业区最多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
3218.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
3220.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
从历届的工业 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
3220.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
3222.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
这个经济部部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
3222.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
3224.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
我每次邀请他到台南 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
3225.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
3228.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
大概都吓一跳 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
3228.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
3228.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
就是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
3229.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
3231.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
工业区的样态非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
3231.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
3233.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
因为我们是传统 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
3234.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
3236.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
跟高科技 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
3236.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
3239.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
两个相互接应的 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
3239.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
3241.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
一个城市发展 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
3242.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
3244.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
在整个经济面的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
3244.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
3245.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
是这个样子 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
3245.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
3246.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
所以我们必须 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
3247.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
3250.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
我要先拜托部长说 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
3250.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
3251.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
你的样态 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
3251.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
3252.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
其实你只要 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
3252.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
3254.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
抓台南市的整个 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
3254.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
3256.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
工业区的样态 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
3256.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
3257.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
你大概就可以知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
3257.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
3260.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
目前所有全国 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
3260.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
3262.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
它的经济企业 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
3262.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
3265.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
工业样态的形式 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
3265.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
3266.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
你要怎么定 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
3266.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
3268.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
要怎么处理 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
3268.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
3270.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
我相信你就会比较有 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
3270.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
3271.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
那个逻辑 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
3271.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
3272.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
好 所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
3272.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
3273.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
部长再拜托 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
3273.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
3274.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
谢谢 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
3274.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
3276.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
我刚刚提到的可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].start |
3276.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
3277.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
那个 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
3277.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
3278.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
主席站起来了 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
3278.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
3280.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
我再拜托我们的署长 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
3280.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
3281.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
我刚刚问的 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
3281.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
3283.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
你再拜托一个书面给我们 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
3283.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
3284.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
3284.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
3285.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
书面给我们 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
3285.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
3287.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
让我们很清楚知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
3287.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
3289.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
起码地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
3289.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
3291.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
这些工业或是企业 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
3291.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
3293.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
在问我们的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
3293.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
3295.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
我们知道怎么回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
3295.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
3297.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
怎么来协助他们 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
3297.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
3299.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
至少样态来讲有新旧 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
3299.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
3301.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
还有都市 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
3301.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
3301.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
还有这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
3301.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
3303.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
传统 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
3303.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
3304.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
有不一样 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
3304.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
3305.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
那我们不同的样态 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
3305.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
3307.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
可能要求会有一点点差异 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
3307.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
3309.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
对 而且因为 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
3309.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
3310.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
旧的工业区 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
3310.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
3314.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
它当时候所设置的条件 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
3314.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
3315.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
跟现在设的条件 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
3315.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
3316.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
就是不一样 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
3316.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
3318.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
好 所以这个部分可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
3318.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
3319.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
我们要怎么加强 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
3319.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
3320.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
一定要加强 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
3320.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
3323.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
可是怎么样来协助他们 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
3323.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
3325.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
达到我们要的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
3325.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
3327.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
而且是他们能够 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
3327.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
3328.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
无缝接轨 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
3328.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
3331.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
而且有好的一个接轨形式 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
3331.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
3332.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
这才是最重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
3332.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
3333.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
好 谢谢 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
3334.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
3335.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
谢谢 谢谢陈定冰委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
3335.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
3336.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
还有部长 先回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
3337.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
3338.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
好 我们下面之云 请 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
3339.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
3340.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
政政前委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
3349.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
3349.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
谢谢主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
3349.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
3351.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
我想请一下经济部公民新公部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
3351.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
3352.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
请经济部公部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
3358.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
3359.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
政委员好 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
3359.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
3360.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
部长好 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
3360.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
3364.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
因为今天安排了能源管理法的一个审查 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
3364.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
3367.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
那因为院板的能源管理法的第十条 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
3367.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
3368.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
很特殊 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
3368.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
3369.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
因为它特别提到说 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
3369.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
3371.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
契约容量达一定容量者 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
3371.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
3373.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
因于一定期限内设置一定 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
3373.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
3377.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
装置容量以上的自用发电设备跟储能设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
3377.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
3378.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
那它这里面 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
3378.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
3379.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
其实很多委员也都特别提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
3379.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
3381.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
因为它这一条当中的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
3381.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
3383.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
讲到一定的契约容量 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].start |
3383.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
3385.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
一定的装置容量 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
3385.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
3387.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
然后一定的旗舰 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].start |
3387.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
3389.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
全部都用一定的状态 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
3389.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].end |
3391.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
感觉很多的空白授权 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
3391.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
3393.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
那我在这边的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
3393.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
3394.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
就特别把那个 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].start |
3394.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
3397.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
我们之前有个类似相关的一个再生能源法 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
3397.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
3398.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
里面 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
3398.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
3400.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
它职法里面有特别提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
3400.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
3403.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
一定契约容量以上的电力用户 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
3403.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
3408.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
因设置再生能源发电设备管理办法 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
3408.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
3409.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
在管理办法当中 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].start |
3409.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
3411.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
是我很具体的要求到 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].start |
3411.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
3415.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
契约容量在五千千瓦以上的用电大户 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].start |
3415.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
3417.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
必须要有契约容量 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
3417.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
3421.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
百分之十的再生能源和储能 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
3421.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
3421.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
那我在想说 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
3421.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
3424.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
因为之前我特别提到说 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].start |
3424.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
3427.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
因为那个我们院版能源管理法当中的 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].start |
3427.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
3429.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
空白授权颇多 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
3429.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
3430.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
那我们就用再生能源法 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
3430.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
3432.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
这边的一个相关的一个办法 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
3432.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
3435.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
去当作一个类推的一个情况 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
3435.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
3438.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
就是五千千瓦这个标准 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
3438.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
3441.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
还有百分之十的那个 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
3441.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
3446.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
契约容量的再生能源跟储能这个部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
3446.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
3448.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
会不会变成我们能源管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
3448.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
3450.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
后续职法当中的一个标准 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
3452.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
3454.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
这个是我们参考 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
3454.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
3454.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
参考 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
3454.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
3455.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
参考基准 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
3456.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
3458.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
那但是我们还是要跟厉害关系的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
3458.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
3459.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
再做一些讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
3459.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
3463.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
原则上是这个五千千瓦就是五M |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
3463.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
3466.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
是大致上有这样有一些横平的标准 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
3466.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
3468.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
你刚才特意提到五M以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
3468.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
3471.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
五M以上用电大户大概有七百多家 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
3471.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
3472.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
那我在想说 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
3472.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
3474.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
我们现在用电其实坦白说也挺吃紧的 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
3474.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
3477 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
所以我们对于这个能源管理法当中 |
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3477 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
3478.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
契约容量会不会下修 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
3478.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
3482.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
自用发电的比例跟储电的比例会不会提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
3483.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
3485.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
包委员可能要有阶段性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
3485.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
3487.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
就是我们的要求他 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
3487.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
3490.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
可能在早期的时候就是阶段性 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
3490.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
3491.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
可能刚开始没有那么高 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
3491.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
3493.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
但是慢慢的可能会提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
3493.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
3494.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
所以为什么要设在 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
3494.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
3496.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
可能也会超过这个标准 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
3496.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
3498.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
而且在五M以下也可能会被要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
3498.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
3500.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
意思是这样子吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
3500.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
3500.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
3500.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
3503.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
如果五M是一个标准 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
3503.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
3506.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
就是五M以上的这些用电大户七百多家 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
3506.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
3511.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
但是我们希望他达到储能跟自习发电的这个比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
3511.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
3513.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
到底是有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
3513.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
3514.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
那可能是刚开始的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
3514.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
3516.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
可能这个比例是比较低一点 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
3516.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
3518.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
那后续慢慢的给他一个过渡期 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
3518.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
3519.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
慢慢增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
3519.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
3522.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
因为我觉得电商问题这确实非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
3522.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
3523.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
那我只是想说 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
3523.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
3525.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
因为不同的产业他会有差异 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
3525.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
3527.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
我们对于有一些特定的产业 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
3527.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
3529.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
会不会有一些豁免条款 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
3529.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
3530.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
比方说医院 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
3530.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
3532.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
或者是有一些其他的用电大户 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
3533.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
3535.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
这个我们就在执法里面 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
3535.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
3537.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
会有一些考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
3537.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
3538.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
就是说刚刚提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
3538.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
3540.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
因为很多的样态也不一样 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
3540.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
3540.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
3540.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
3542.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
新的工业区跟旧的工业区 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
3542.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
3543.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
新色工业区跟旧的 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
3543.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
3546.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
因为旧的他可能都已经占满了 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
3546.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
3549.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
可能对他的要求跟完全新的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
3549.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
3550.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
可能要求会不一样 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
3550.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
3551.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
如果是完全新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
3551.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
3553 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
他弹性很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
3553 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
3554.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
我们可能会要求多一点 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
3554.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
3555.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
3555.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
3556.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
那我想说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
3556.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
3557.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
就是针对这个部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].start |
3557.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
3562.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
因为等于是整个能源管理法相关的执法都还没有出来 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
3562.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
3565.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
那我们希望这边考虑能够更为细致 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
3565.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
3568 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
能够考虑到不同产业当中的一个需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
3568 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
3572.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
还有厂房先后的相关的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
3572.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
3573.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
我觉得都挺重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
3573.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
3574.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
那我觉得这一次当中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
3574.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
3576 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
我就也特别提到的状态 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
3576 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
3576.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
就是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
3576.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
3581.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
因为整个AI产业不断的蓬勃发展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
3581.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
3584.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
所以我们对北部资料中心用电可能会松绑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
3584.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
3586.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
那我记得之前台电这边 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
3586.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
3588.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
跟金一部这边一贯的说法是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
3588.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
3590.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
苗栗以北 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
3590.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
3592.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
就是新竹韩新竹以北 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
3592.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
3597.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
基本上在5MW的状态是有限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
3597.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
3598.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
对不对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
3598.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
3601 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
那现在讲到说桃园以北的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
3601 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
3603.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
有条件的松绑的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
3603.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
3606.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
那我想请问一下在新竹这一块的时候松不松绑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
3607.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
3608.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
原则上它是这样 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
3608.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
3612.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
就是说希望如果超过5MW以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
3612.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
3616.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
至少离这个电厂要在周边电厂附近有空地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
3616.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
3617.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
多少叫周边 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
3617.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
3620.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
因为当时金一部跟台电给的说法是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
3620.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
3622.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
新竹韩新竹以北 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
3622.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
3627.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
那现在是说桃园韩桃园以北的时候准备要松绑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
3627.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
3629.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
那现在不是全国就只剩下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
3629.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
3633.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
整个台湾就只剩下新竹这边的时候是不松绑的状态 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
3633.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
3635.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
还是新竹这边也会松绑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
3635.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
3636.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
如果新竹这边也松绑的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
3636.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
3638.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
那这等于是整个台湾基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
3638.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
3640.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
它是可以全面松绑的一个情况 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
3640.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
3643.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
我可以理解这样的一个政策宣示吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
3643.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
3645.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
原则上是希望就是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
3645.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
3648.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
所谓的周边就是它在电厂有空地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
3648.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
3649.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
然后符合条件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
3649.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
3651.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
在两公里左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
3651.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
3652.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
这边来讲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
3652.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
3654.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
我们会跟地方政府做一些讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
3654.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
3656.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
如果有这样的条件情况下的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
3656.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
3657.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
那就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
3657.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
3659.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
电厂两公里周边的范围 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
3659.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
3662.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
才可以设置那个栓立中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
3662.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
3663.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
你的历史是这样子吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
3663.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
3664.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
目前看起来 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
3664.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
3666.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
除非有其他的条件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
3666.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
3668.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
也可以来讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
3669.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
3670.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
所以目前看起来 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
3670.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
3673.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
在新竹这个部分来说的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
3673.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
3675.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
感觉并不在你们松绑的范围 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
3675.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
3675.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
是这样子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
3675.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
3678.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
所以新竹这边如果要设置栓立中心的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
3678.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
3679.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
到5Mbps的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
3679.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
3681.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
基本上是不可能的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
3681.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
3683.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
我可以这么理解你的意思吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
3688.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
3691.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
新竹市这边没有电厂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
3691.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
3693.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
两公里范围内没有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
3693.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
3695.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
那因为你们之前的宣示是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
3695.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
3697.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
苗栗以北的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
3699.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
3700.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
现在说桃园以北 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
3700.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
3702.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
那苗栗以北跟桃园以北 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
3702.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
3704.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
这边就只卡一个新竹 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
3704.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
3705.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
报告委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
3705.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
3707.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
那我们针对新竹部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
3707.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
3710.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
目前是没有在限制5Mbps |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
3710.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
3714.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
但是要检讨它本身的一个供电 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
3714.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
3716.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
所以新竹现在没有限制5Mbps是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
3716.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
3717.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
之前台电都是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
3717.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
3719.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
新竹含新竹以北 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
3719.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
3720.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
是限制的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
3720.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
3721.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
我们是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
3721.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
3722.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
现在是没有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
3722.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
3724.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
我们是希望尽量让那个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
3724.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
3725.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
好没有就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
3725.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
3726.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
那我想说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
3726.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
3727.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
因为针对这个部分的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
3727.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
3729.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
我这边也想特别提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
3729.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
3731.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
因为大潭电厂跟协和电厂这边 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
3731.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
3733.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
大潭电厂是用天然气发电 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
3733.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
3736.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
协和电厂这边的时候是用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
3736.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
3738.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
以后可能会变天然气 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
3738.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
3739.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
油会变天然气 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
3739.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
3740.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
ok |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
3740.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
3741.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
那我在想说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
3741.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
3744.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
因为现在国际的四大云端服务厂商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
3744.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
3746.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
包括Google Cloud |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
3746.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
3747.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
Microsoft Azure |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
3747.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
3749.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
还有AWS |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
3749.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
3752.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
他们全部都是R100的成员 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
3752.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
3753.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
他们也都宣布 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
3753.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
3755.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
3755.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
3756.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
就R100这边的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
3756.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
3758.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
基本上都要用再生能源发电状态 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
3758.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
3760.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
那我们台湾这边现在的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
3760.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
3762.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
包括大潭包括协和 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
3762.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
3765.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
都是用火力发电 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
3765.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
3765.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
那这样子的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
3765.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
3767.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
会不会产生一个冲突 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
3768.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
3769.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
将来如果火力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
3769.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
3770.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
我们当然是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
3770.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
3773.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
现在尽量的再生能源赶快发展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
3773.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
3775.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
那如果说将来天然气发电 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
3775.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
3777.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
如果要符合R100的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
3777.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
3780.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
它必须配合CCS |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
3780.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
3780.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
ok |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
3780.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
3782.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
就是配合碳捕捉然后储存 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
3782.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
3784.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
好那最后这边的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
3784.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
3785.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
我再补充 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
3785.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
3786.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
问一个问题一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
3786.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
3787.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
就是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
3787.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
3789.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
外交部还有针对巴布雅尔纽吉内亚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
3789.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
3792.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
这边的时候的一个天然气采购 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
3792.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
3795.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
觉得要重新再检讨这个部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
3795.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
3796.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
我不知道说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
3796.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
3798.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
外交部在宣布这个事情之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
3798.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
3800.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
所以有没有找过经济部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
3800.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
3801.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
跟能源署这边讨论过 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
3803.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
3804.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
讨论过是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
3804.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
3805.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
那是非正式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
3805.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
3806.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
我们有做一些讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
3806.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
3807.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
非正式的讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
3807.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
3809.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
所以经济部也觉得说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
3809.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
3812.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
基本上如果外交部希望把 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
3812.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
3815.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
那个天然气采购变成一个外交的一个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
3815.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
3816.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
反制工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
3816.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
3817.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
我觉得是可行的吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
3817.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
3819.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
不是外交部是询问我们 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
3819.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
3820.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
就是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
3820.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
3821.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
如果要采取 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
3821.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
3823.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
方氏糖会不会影响到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
3823.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
3825.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
我们能源韧性安全的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
3825.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
3825.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
它有这样的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
3825.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
3827.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
那我们就会去盘点 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
3827.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
3828.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
你们觉得会不会 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
3828.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
3830.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
在某一个程度之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
3830.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
3832.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
是我们可以因应的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
3832.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
3834.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
什么样的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
3834.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
3834.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
3834.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
3835.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
具体回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
3835.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
3838.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
因为我们跟这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
3838.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
3839.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
八牛买的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
3839.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
3842.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
有分为长约跟现货市场的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
3842.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].end |
3843.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
那长约的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
3843.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
3845.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
基本上是很难去改的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
3845.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
3846.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
部长因为5月份的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].start |
3846.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
3849.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
我们从发表了解内亚的进口的LNG |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
3849.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
3853.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
已经达到11.91% |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
3853.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
3855.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
它等于是影响到台湾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
3855.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
3857.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
整个以1到5月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
3857.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
3860.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
50.5%天然气的供电的状态 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
3861.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
3863.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
已经达到6%的一个比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
3863.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
3864.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
我们如果针对这个部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
3864.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
3865.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
3865.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
3868.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
针对巴布亚尼亚这边的天然气采购的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
3868.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
3870.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
去当做一个外交工具的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
3870.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
3873.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
你就对台湾的用电会不会产生影响 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
3873.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].end |
3875.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
报告委员这个是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
3875.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
3877.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
不会影响到我们天然气的采购 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
3877.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
3878.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
这个是条件跟原则 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
3878.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
3880.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
不会影响天然气采购 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
3880.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
3881.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
这个原则之下 |
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3881.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
3882.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
我们可以做一些调整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
3882.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
3884.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
所以这个外交工具不会影响 |
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3884.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
3888.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
台湾对巴布亚牛解内亚的天然气采购 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
3888.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
3889.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
就是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
3889.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
3891.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
我们不会影响到我们的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
3891.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
3892.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
整体的采购 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
3893.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
3894.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
不会影响到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
3894.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
3895.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
不会影响整体采购 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
3895.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
3897.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
那就减少巴布亚解内亚的采购 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
3897.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
3898.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
去买别的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
3899.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
3900.46 |
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对有可能可以这样做 |
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3900.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
3900.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
谢谢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
3900.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
3903.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
那你觉得整体来说不会受影响 |
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3903.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
3903.9 |
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整体不会影响 |
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3903.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
3904.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
ok理解 |
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3904.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
3905.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
好谢谢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
3905.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
3906.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
好谢谢政委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
3906.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
3908.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
来部长先为座 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
3909.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
3911.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
来 下位置请洪影响委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
3920.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
3921.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
好 谢谢主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
3921.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
3923.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
有请这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
3923.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
3925.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
经济部总部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
3931.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
3931.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
部长早 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
3932.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
3933.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
部长早 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
3933.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
3935.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
我想前面的这个讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
3935.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
3938.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
大家关心的都一样 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
3938.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
3939.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
那我大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
3939.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
3940.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
就针对院板 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
3941.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
3942.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
提修正动议 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
3942.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
3944.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
我就没有再提特别法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
3944.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
3945.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
因为其他的大方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
3945.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
3946.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
我大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
3946.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
3949.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
遵照其他委员的一个版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
3949.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
3950.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
现在主要的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
3950.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
3953.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
我是觉得大概就这几个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
3953.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
3954.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
那其中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
3954.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
3956.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
819第9条的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
3956.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
3957.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
他是由何备 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
3958.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
3959.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
本来是原法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
3959.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
3959.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
你们是何备 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
3959.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
3961.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
就要改成何定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
3961.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
3964.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
第10条是最大的concern |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
3964.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
3965.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
要求一定契约容量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
3965.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
3967.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
以上用户自行设置 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].start |
3967.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
3968.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
但这个语意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].start |
3968.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
3970.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
非常的不详 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].start |
3970.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
3971.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
因为就是一定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].start |
3971.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
3973.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
这个契约容量用户 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
3973.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
3974.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
那当然第24条 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
3974.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
3976.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
当然就是对位置设置 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
3976.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
3978.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
或设备不符合采法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
3978.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
3979.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
我大概针对这几条 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
3979.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
3980.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
比较有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
3980.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
3982.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
意见的一个看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
3982.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
3984.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
那我觉得这个大概就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
3985.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
3987.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
到底我们再修这个第10条 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
3987.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
3989.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
其实他有他的政策的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
3989.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
3991.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
这个到底是什么 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
3991.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
3992.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
但是从这个法条 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
3992.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
3993.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
这样下来的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
3993.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
3996.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
就是你的政策的目的性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
3996.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
3998.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
到底我们是要先处理缺电 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
3998.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
4000.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
还是尖峰用电要降载 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
4000.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
4001.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
还是我去电网 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
4001.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
4003.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
某些的拥塞不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
4003.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
4006.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
还是是契约的备员 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
4006.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
4007.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
我大概列了6个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
4007.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
4008.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
影响的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
4008.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
4010.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
在你的影响的对象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
4010.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
4011.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
所以你第9条 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
4011.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
4012.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
在你人管列管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
4012.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
4013.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
大概我去统计 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].start |
4013.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
4015.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
大概4900多家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
4015.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
4016.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
然后第10条 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
4016.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
4018.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
因为你达一定器材容量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
4018.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
4020 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
那刚刚如果用部长回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
4020 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
4022.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
5MW大概是700多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
4023.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
4024.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
企业的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
4024.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
4026.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
执行的可行性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
4026.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
4027.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
也有其他委员提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
4027.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
4029.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
所以我一看我就觉得说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
4029.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
4030.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
那其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
4030.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
4031.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
不管是半导体 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
4031.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
4033.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
自动讯AI资料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
4033.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
4035.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
传采医院学校 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
4035.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
4036.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
这些是不是都要纳入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
4036.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
4037.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
因为他可能也是一定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
4037.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
4038.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
企业容量的一个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
4038.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
4040.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
用电的一个大户 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
4040.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
4042.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
那程序的正当性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
4042.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
4044.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
还有替代的一个方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
4044.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
4047.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
这个大概是我看这第10条 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
4047.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
4048.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
我觉得会有这些问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
4049.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
4051.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
那我讲因为时间有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
4051.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
4052.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
就是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
4052.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
4053.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
假设啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
4053.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
4054.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
你现在的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
4054.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
4056.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
我们现在是何备改合定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
4057.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
4059.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
那你在第9条所列管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
4059.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
4061.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
这个4900家的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
4061.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
4062.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
这样的节能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
4062.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
4064.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].text |
到底以后是自己决定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
4064.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
4066.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
还是经济部要批准 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
4066.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
4067.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
而业前是何备 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
4067.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
4068.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
现在是何备 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
4070.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
4071.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
因为当初就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
4072.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
4074.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
何备以谊很含糊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
4074.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
4075.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
到底是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
4075.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
4078.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
何备有什么失败的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
4078.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
4078.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
还是什么 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
4078.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
4079.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
4079.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
4081.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
假设不与何备的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
4081.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
4084.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
也就是不与何定的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
4084.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
4084.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
对啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
4084.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
4085.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
对啊 |
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4085.03 |
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4085.87 |
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所以我觉得 |
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4085.87 |
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4086.99 |
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如果说你改这个 |
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4086.99 |
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4089.15 |
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好像也没有什么特别意义 |
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4089.15 |
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4090.03 |
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就是讲清楚 |
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4090.03 |
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4091.71 |
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就是要一定要何定 |
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4092.44 |
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4094.08 |
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不要让雨意模糊 |
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4094.08 |
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4094.96 |
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让业者 |
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4094.96 |
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4096.6 |
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他们不知道说 |
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4096.6 |
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4097.36 |
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这个好像 |
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4097.36 |
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4098.48 |
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好像去报备就好了 |
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4098.48 |
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4098.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
不是 |
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4100.03 |
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4100.95 |
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不与何备 |
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4100.95 |
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4102.19 |
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就是不与何定 |
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4102.19 |
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4104.71 |
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因为定的管理会比较强烈 |
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4106.14 |
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4106.82 |
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理论上 |
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4106.82 |
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4109.18 |
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字眼上是比较强烈 |
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4109.18 |
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4110.46 |
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因为这样子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
4110.46 |
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4111.7 |
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下一个我觉得害怕 |
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4111.7 |
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4113.66 |
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因为假设我是企业主却说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
4113.66 |
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4115.22 |
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那企业主管机关 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
4115.22 |
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4115.94 |
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是不是可以要求 |
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4115.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
4117.1 |
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我要提高目标 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
4117.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
4117.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
换设备 |
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4117.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
4118.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
或改制程 |
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4118.98 |
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4120.1 |
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不然你就不何定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
4121.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
4122.62 |
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你何定的标准 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
4122.62 |
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4124.7 |
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期限 便跟程序这些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
4124.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
4125.7 |
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你一定会告诉我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
4125.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
4126.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
这是列入执法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
4126.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
4128.78 |
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但是我现在就很恐慌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
4128.78 |
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4129.98 |
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这是一个问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
4129.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
4131.66 |
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你们可以书面回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
4131.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
4132.78 |
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因为时间有限了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
4132.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
4134.02 |
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因为我觉得这个是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
4134.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
4136.1 |
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因为如果何备何定没什么的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
4136.1 |
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4137.62 |
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我其实觉得何备 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
4137.62 |
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4139.9 |
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那你再强烈的抽查也行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
4139.9 |
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4140.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
再来 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
4140.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
4142.22 |
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你的第十条到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
4142.22 |
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4143.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
我们是要解决什么问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
4143.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
4145.86 |
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我觉得有点像把这种发电 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
4147.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
4149.78 |
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就给外部丢到企业去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
4149.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
4152.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
给予企业责任化这样子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
4152.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
4153.06 |
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会不会 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
4153.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
4153.74 |
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八五元 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
4153.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
4155.22 |
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因为他是用电大户 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
4155.22 |
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4157.3 |
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他好歹对于这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
4157.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
4158.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
电力上的韧性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
4158.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
4160.7 |
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也要负担一些责任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
4160.7 |
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4162.02 |
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要不然的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
4162.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
4164.14 |
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假如发生这个意外事后 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
4164.14 |
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4165.78 |
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那所以你觉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
4165.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
4166.94 |
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是要解决他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
4166.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
4169.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
企业社会责任的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
4169.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
4170.54 |
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不是要处理缺电 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
4170.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
4172.14 |
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韧性 韧性的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
4172.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
4174.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
因为他也是保障他自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
4174.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
4176.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
所以是企业自己的韧性的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
4177.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
4179.58 |
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国外大概也有这样的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
4179.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
4180.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
相关的一些规范 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
4182.29 |
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4183.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
因为我觉得这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
4183.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
4185.05 |
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这个真的要想清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
4185.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
4186.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
因为这几个问题不一样 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
4186.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
4187.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
如果你是台电 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
4187.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
4190.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
整个在供应经济发展有缺电 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
4190.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
4190.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
对不对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
4190.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
4192.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
所以我们希望企业 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
4192.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
4194.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
自主设备 发电 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
4194.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
4196.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
甚至是除能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
4196.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
4197.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
那这个地方的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
4197.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
4199.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
我们就要去统计你大概缺多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
4199.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
4201.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
那区域电网的拥设 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
4201.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
4202.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
这也是一个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
4202.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
4203.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
因为你不能全国 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
4203.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
4204.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
对不对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
4204.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
4206.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
乡村跟都市跟产业 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
4206.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
4207.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
他可能整个用电的这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
4207.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
4209.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
拥设的程度是不一样 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
4209.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
4212.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
那如果你是尖峰的调度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
4212.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
4212.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
那尖峰调度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
4212.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
4215.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
你要求的是可验证的降载量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
4215.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
4216.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
这些东西就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
4216.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
4218.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
你在这个地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
4218.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
4220.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
就是说我们背后一定有个动机 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
4221.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
4223.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
那我要解决什么样的问题再下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
4223.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
4225.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
你不可能一个东西解决 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
4225.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
4226.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
同时那样的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
4226.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
4228.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
那如果你是讲备员 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
4228.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
4229.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
我如果是讲备员 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
4229.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
4232.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
我企业可能要的是可靠度跟稳压 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
4232.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
4235.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
他可能也不是电量所谓的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
4235.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
4236.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
因为在第十条 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
4236.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
4237.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
我觉得很恐怖的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
4238.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
4241.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
等于现在节能的设备这边来讲 |
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4241.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
4241.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
相对的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
4241.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
4243.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
其实不会比发电设备便宜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
4244.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
4247.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
你现在是要求它是设发电跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
4247.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
4248.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
发电跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
4248.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
4249.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
跟除能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
4249.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
4249.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
对对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
4249.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
4251.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
而且你是用一种核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
4251.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
4252.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
然后你如果又不达到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
4252.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
4253.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
一定的数量设置 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
4253.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
4255.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
又会有罚折 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
4255.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
4257.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
我觉得是不是可以在这边 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
4257.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
4258.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
再思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
4258.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
4260.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
因为你一定会推到执法去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
4260.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
4260.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
但是现在就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
4260.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
4262.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
我觉得这个大方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
4262.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
4263.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
是不是可以用成是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
4263.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
4265.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
比较鼓励的一个方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
4267.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
4269.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
而且你现在是集 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
4269.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
4270.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
有些人他可能是发电 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
4270.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
4271.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
有些人是除能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
4271.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
4272.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
假设我现在是企业用户 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
4272.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
4274.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
用电大户的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
4274.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
4276.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
其实我在虚量反应的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
4276.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
4279.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
我其实搞不好我是要买除能的设备就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
4279.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
4281.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
然后我用这个离封的东西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
4281.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
4283.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
去做除能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
4283.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
4284.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
对不对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
4284.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
4286.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
那我到尖峰再放电出来 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
4286.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
4287.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
让我的企业的用电控制 |
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4287.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
4292.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
所以我们会让发电跟除能之间有一些弹性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
4292.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
4293.72 |
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对 因为你是用集 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
4293.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
4294.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
我说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
4294.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
4296.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
因为你是用集 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
4296.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
4298.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
所以我就觉得很恐怖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
4298.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
4299.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
有些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
4299.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
4302.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
另外有些他可能认为说我除能很贵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
4302.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
4304.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
所以我可能买柴油发电机 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
4304.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
4306.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
或是接载生蚵的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
4306.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
4307.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
可能比较便宜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
4307.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
4309.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
容许企业端他有个弹性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
4309.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
4310.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
他可以调配 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
4310.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
4312.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
因为你的法条写的是集 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
4312.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
4315.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
集的话他是可以调配 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
4315.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
4316.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
就是不同的企业 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
4316.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
4318.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
因为集就表示我M的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
4318.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
4319.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
我两个都要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
4319.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
4319.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
但是他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
4319.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
4320.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
我发电要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
4320.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
4321.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
节能也要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
4321.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
4323.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
不是他的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
4323.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
4326.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
容许他有一个调整的空间 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
4326.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
4328.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
不是说一定就是50 50这样 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
4328.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
4329.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
不会 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
4329.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
4333.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
因为有些有些企业他觉得他的除能设备可以高一点 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
4333.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
4333.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
所以我是觉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
4333.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
4335.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
我是好一点 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
4336.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
4337.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
4337.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
4339.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
我觉得你可以去考虑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
4339.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
4340.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
因为这个是问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
4340.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
4343.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
然后这是少数大型企业的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
4343.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
4345.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
还是我们医院学校 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
4345.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
4347.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
甚至我们要鼓励发展的资料中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
4347.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
4349.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
传产这些都要全部纳进去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
4349.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
4351.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
因为刚刚很多文院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
4351.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
4352.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
一定企业容许 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
4352.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
4353.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
这到底是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
4353.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
4356.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
影响多少电号多少法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
4356.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
4357.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
我当初空无法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
4357.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
4359.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
你们就说这个会影响八千家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
4359.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
4362.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
我这个看起来影响也是七百五十几家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
4362.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
4363.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
七百多家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
4363.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
4363.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
4363.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
4365.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
那搞不好以后还会再更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
4365.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
4366.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
4366.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
4367.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
因为经济发展之后 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
4367.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
4367.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
对不对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
4367.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
4369.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
他可能会更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
4369.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
4371.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
然后他除能完之后能不能卖什么等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
4371.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
4374.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
我觉得这个都是很多的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
4374.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
4376.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
所以我是觉得在第十条 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
4376.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
4378.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
这个大方向可能要改一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
4378.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
4380.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
那再来就第十条这边 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
4380.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
4384.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
因为第十条是后面的第三地区新增进来的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
4384.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
4386.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
那是不是有重新公开征询过 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
4387.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
4389.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
你讲第十条是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
4389.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
4390.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
4390.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
4391.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
我们有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
4391.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
4391.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
刚刚有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
4391.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
4393.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
就是我们有办过一些座谈会 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
4393.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
4395.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
那座谈会可不可以给我一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
4395.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
4399.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
他们的厂商的一些的反应的意见的资料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
4399.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
4400.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
我觉得要再多办几场 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
4400.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
4403.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
因为现在厂商跟我反应的是很恐怖 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
4403.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
4406.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
他们不知道该怎么办的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
4406.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
4408.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
然后我觉得还有一个就是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
4408.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
4409.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
像你可能在你们的报告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
4409.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
4412.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
写反对政策委员删除第九条的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
4412.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
4415.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
达中央主管机关规定数量门槛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
4415.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].end |
4419.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].text |
旅游是无法估算行政执行成本跟效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
4419.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].end |
4421.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
但是我觉得你的第十条连门槛都不敢写 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].start |
4423.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
4425.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
那你也没有试用加速 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].start |
4425.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
4427.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
也没有评估影响成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
4427.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
4429.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
我觉得你应该是在做这种效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
4429.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
4431.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
因为他那个如果没有门槛的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
4431.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
4432.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
我们每一个用户 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
4432.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
4435.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
我们每个各户家庭都会被管到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
4435.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
4438.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
所以当初为什么会有一定的容量以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
4438.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
4440.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
对 我说你要先估算一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
4440.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
4442.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
你的执行成本跟成本效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
4442.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
4444.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
我们用户有1300万户 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].start |
4446.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
4447.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].text |
我觉得你还是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].start |
4447.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
4449.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
那你如果有评估完的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
4449.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
4450.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
下一报告再送给我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
4450.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
4452.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
再看看你是什么评估效益的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
4452.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
4453.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
4454.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
4456.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
好 谢谢洪委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
4456.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
4457.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
部长先回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
4457.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
4459.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
下一位咨询请李玉玲委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
4474.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
4476.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
好 谢谢主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
4476.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
4477.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
我们请公部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
4477.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
4478.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
请进行公部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
4484.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
4485.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
李玉玲长 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
4485.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
4485.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
4486.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
4491.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
台积电它现在是我们全球半导体供应链的最重要的支柱 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
4491.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
4494.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
也是我们台湾最具有竞争力的跨国的企业 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
4494.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
4496.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
那台积电的每一项投资的决策 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
4496.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
4500.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
都不仅是牵动着企业它本身的一个发展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].start |
4500.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].end |
4505.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].text |
那也是这个经年代工的这个掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].start |
4505.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].end |
4507.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].text |
先进制程的一个技术 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].start |
4507.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].end |
4511.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].text |
尤其是攸关着我们台湾整个产业的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].start |
4511.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].end |
4514.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].text |
布局和国家经济的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].start |
4514.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].end |
4516.38 |
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是非常的重要 |
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4516.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].end |
4521.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].text |
那尤其是今年来我们全球的对于AI人工智慧的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].start |
4521.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].end |
4524.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].text |
跟整个后续的扩大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].start |
4524.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].end |
4528.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].text |
年代能够提升了整个晶片的这个重要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].start |
4528.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].end |
4534.94 |
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那所以说台积电它在我们世界上各国都有去投资 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].start |
4534.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].end |
4538.1 |
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那本来特别要提到的就是说在美国的部分 |
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4538.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].end |
4542.62 |
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在去年的时候它有在投资加码了1000亿 |
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4542.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].end |
4544.58 |
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那在今年他们的法说会之后 |
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4544.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].end |
4546.9 |
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它又在加码了这个1000亿 |
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4546.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].end |
4548.5 |
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这个加码这部分的话 |
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4548.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].end |
4551.18 |
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有先经过我们投审会的投审吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].start |
4551.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].end |
4552.18 |
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有送来投审吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].start |
4552.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].end |
4556.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].text |
它这个只是宣布它的一些未来的投资的计划跟方案 |
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4556.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].end |
4560.38 |
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可是美国认为这个是既定事实啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
4560.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].end |
4563.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].text |
它实际要投资它会送案子给我们 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].start |
4563.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].end |
4564.5 |
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所以它只是说一说而已 |
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4564.5 |
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4565.46 |
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不会实际投资 |
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4565.46 |
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4566.02 |
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没有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].start |
4566.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
4568.06 |
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它已经法说会会这样说 |
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4568.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].end |
4569.54 |
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它应该会执行 |
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4569.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].end |
4573.06 |
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这个是在法说会里面这样的宣布 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
4573.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
4574.22 |
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它不会不去执行 |
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4574.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
4576.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].text |
只是说它案子送过来 |
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4576.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
4577.46 |
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所以它会去执行嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].start |
4577.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].end |
4577.78 |
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对对对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].start |
4577.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
4579.34 |
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法说会说了就会去执行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].start |
4579.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].end |
4579.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].text |
对对对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].start |
4579.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
4582.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
因为是这个魏董亲自宣布的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
4582.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
4584.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
那所以说一定要送来我们投审会 |
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4584.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
4585.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
会会 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
4585.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].end |
4585.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].text |
为什么 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
4585.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].end |
4590.06 |
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因为台积电它是整个掌控着全世界的这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].start |
4590.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].end |
4592.14 |
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就是半导体的这个龙头 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].start |
4592.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].end |
4592.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].text |
是是 |
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4592.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].end |
4596.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].text |
所以它的最重要的这个技术啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].start |
4596.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
4597.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
关键技术的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].start |
4597.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].end |
4599.1 |
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我们要把关 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].start |
4599.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].end |
4600.86 |
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因为外界的话大家会担心啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].start |
4600.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].end |
4603.3 |
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我们关键技术会不会外流出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].start |
4603.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].end |
4605.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].text |
会不会让我们台湾的经济被掏空 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].start |
4605.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].end |
4607.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].text |
整个供应链会不会下滑掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].start |
4607.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].end |
4608.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].text |
这个都是很重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].start |
4608.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].end |
4610.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].text |
我们审查的基础一定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].start |
4610.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].end |
4612.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].text |
最新进的技术是留在台湾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].start |
4612.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
4613.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].text |
最新进 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].start |
4613.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
4614.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].text |
那现在不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].start |
4614.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].end |
4615.7 |
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最大的量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].start |
4615.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
4616.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
一定要在台湾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].start |
4616.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
4619.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].text |
那阿奈米不是已经他们在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].start |
4619.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
4621.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].text |
在美国要制成了吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].start |
4621.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].end |
4622.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].text |
他要相对投资 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].start |
4622.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
4623.1 |
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投资在台湾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].start |
4623.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].end |
4624.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].text |
要比国外要多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].start |
4624.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].end |
4625.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].text |
所以我们投审 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].start |
4625.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].end |
4627.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].text |
一定有好好的把关 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].start |
4627.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].end |
4628.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].text |
会把关嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].start |
4628.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].end |
4630.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].text |
所以不要说他已经在法说会说了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].start |
4630.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
4632.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].text |
那事后他送进来的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].start |
4632.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].end |
4634.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
我们的投审不敢说不 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].start |
4634.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
4636.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].text |
一定会同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].start |
4636.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
4637.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].text |
就是要把关 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
4637.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
4638.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].text |
对要把关啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].start |
4638.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
4640.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].text |
一定要把关键技术留在台湾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
4640.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].end |
4641.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].text |
这个影响 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
4641.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
4642.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
这个很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
4642.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
4645.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].text |
会影响整个台湾的经济的发展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].start |
4645.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].end |
4647.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].text |
整个供应链都会被影响的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
4647.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
4648.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].text |
这个特别注意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
4648.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
4649.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].text |
那接下来的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
4649.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
4651.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].text |
我们要问一下能源部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
4651.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
4652.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].text |
今天我们主席特别排到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
4652.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
4654.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].text |
这个能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
4654.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
4655.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
那现在我们 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
4655.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
4656.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
4656.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
4660.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
台湾的再生能源的发展来看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
4660.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
4662.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
整个结构都是以太阳能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
4662.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
4666.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
跟风力发电为最主要的发电来源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
4666.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
4668.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
那还有包括的水力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
4668.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
4669.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
或者是地热部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
4669.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
4672.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
那尤其在这地热的这个部分的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
4672.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
4675.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
因为地热它是属于全天候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
4675.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].end |
4677.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].text |
稳定的供电 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
4677.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
4679.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
基载型的这个再生能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
4679.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
4683.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
它不会受到这个日照或者是风力的影响 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
4683.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
4685.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
可以提升整个电网韧性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
4685.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
4687.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
最具有这个价值 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
4687.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
4689.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
重要的价值 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
4689.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
4690.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
而且台湾也是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
4690.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
4693.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
位于这个环太平洋的这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
4693.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
4694.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
地震带这个上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
4694.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
4697.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
所以这个地热的资源是相当丰富的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
4697.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
4699.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
那而且我们行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
4699.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
4702.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
也在去年的时候就有核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
4702.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
4705.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
地热减碳的这个旗舰行动计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
4705.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
4707.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
是行动计划里面特别有设定说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
4707.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
4709.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
2030年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
4709.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
4711.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
我们的装置容量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
4711.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
4714.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
要达到1.2GW这个目标 |
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4714.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
4714.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
4715.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
4717.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
在这个目标之下的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
4717.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
4719.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
部长你今年的4月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
4719.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
4720.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
你特别公布说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
4720.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
4724.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
这个恐怕只能达到200NW |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].start |
4724.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
4725.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
是这样子吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
4725.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
4725.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
它这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
4726.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].end |
4728.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
这个差距差了6倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
4728.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
4729.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
为什么会这个原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
4729.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
4730.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
这个努力不变 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
4730.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
4732.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
努力不变 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].start |
4732.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
4733.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
结果改变 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
4733.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
4735.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
努力不变就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
4735.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
4737.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
但是现在好消息 |
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4737.55 |
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4738.27 |
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就是说 |
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4738.27 |
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4741.67 |
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因为如果要达到比较高的这个 |
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4741.67 |
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4742.99 |
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这个装置容量的话 |
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4742.99 |
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4744.95 |
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一定要达到深层 |
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4744.95 |
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4747.23 |
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而且那个热度要够 |
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4747.23 |
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4748.99 |
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那如果都用浅层的话 |
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4748.99 |
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4750.83 |
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我们目前大部分都是浅层 |
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4750.83 |
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4752.35 |
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所以我们现在有什么瓶颈 |
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4752.35 |
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4754.59 |
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那现在我们已经有达到一口 |
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4754.59 |
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4755.63 |
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这个深层的部分 |
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4755.63 |
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4756.83 |
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那热度已经够了 |
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4756.83 |
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4757.35 |
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那我们现在 |
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4757.35 |
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4758.55 |
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有成功探勘的部分 |
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4758.55 |
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4759.27 |
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就是在那个 |
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4759.27 |
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4760.83 |
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在宜兰的东山 |
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4761.51 |
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4763.63 |
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这个一号这个汤汤已经成功了 |
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4763.63 |
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4765.39 |
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对就是热度已经够了 |
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4765.39 |
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4766.15 |
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那我们现在就是要 |
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4766.15 |
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4767.35 |
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这个是一座成功 |
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4767.35 |
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4768.43 |
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还有其他的呢 |
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4768.43 |
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4769.43 |
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多打几口 |
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4769.43 |
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4770.83 |
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可以确定它的这个 |
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4770.83 |
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4772.31 |
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里面的容量是多少 |
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4772.31 |
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4772.63 |
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是 |
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4772.63 |
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4774.63 |
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才可以估计它的这个价值 |
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4774.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
4775.27 |
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嗯嗯嗯 |
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4775.27 |
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4775.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
对好 |
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4775.87 |
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4777.39 |
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啊这个至少是一个好消息 |
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4777.39 |
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4779.07 |
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如果这个深层有的话 |
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4779.07 |
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4780.75 |
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那就是一个很好的一个 |
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4780.75 |
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4781.03 |
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是 |
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4781.03 |
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4783.11 |
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深层的这个成果 |
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4783.11 |
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4783.71 |
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那就 |
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4784.35 |
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4785.63 |
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这个目标 |
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4785.63 |
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4786.95 |
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也许我们可以 |
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4786.95 |
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4788.35 |
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我们继续探勘 |
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4788.35 |
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4790.51 |
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开发更多的成功的例子 |
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4790.51 |
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4791.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
因为这个地热 |
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4791.95 |
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4794.27 |
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是不受日照跟风力的影响 |
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4794.27 |
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4796.39 |
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比较稳定的供电的部分 |
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4796.39 |
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4798.11 |
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那我们继续来努力 |
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4798.11 |
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4799.27 |
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那还有另外就是 |
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4799.27 |
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4801.43 |
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我们风力发电这个部分 |
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4801.43 |
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4803.43 |
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那风力发电有分成 |
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4803.43 |
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4804.87 |
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我们离岸的风电 |
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4804.87 |
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4806.91 |
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还有我们路易的风电 |
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4806.91 |
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4809.59 |
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那最近我们要开发这一块的话 |
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4809.59 |
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4810.99 |
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呃是因为我们 |
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4810.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
4812.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
这个离岸风电的 |
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4812.39 |
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4813.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
这个我们三之一 |
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4814.11 |
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4816.23 |
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区域这个开发这部分 |
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4816.23 |
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4817.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
三之一三之二的话 |
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4817.43 |
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4818.35 |
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因为成本 |
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4818.35 |
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4819.95 |
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还有物价的提高 |
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4819.95 |
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4822.47 |
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很多产业都跟我们解约了 |
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4822.47 |
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4824.31 |
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所以这个不被看好了 |
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4824.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
4825.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
4825.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
4826.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
那我们现在看到就是说 |
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4826.43 |
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4828.87 |
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我们可以再努力的部分就是 |
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4828.87 |
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4831.31 |
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有浮动式的离岸风电 |
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4832 |
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4833.32 |
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是不是我们要努力这部分 |
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4833.32 |
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4835.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
报告委员因为我们在这个 |
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4835.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].end |
4836.56 |
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离岸风电 |
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4836.56 |
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4837.44 |
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在推动吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
4837.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
4838.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].text |
对要推动 |
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4838.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
4838.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
要推动 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
4838.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
4840 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
离岸风电的部分 |
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4840 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
4840.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
它有一个近 |
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4840.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
4841.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
比较靠近岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
4841.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
4843.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
它水深比较浅的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
4843.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
4844.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
4844.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
4845.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
那可以用固定式的装 |
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4845.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
4846.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
就没有问题 |
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4846.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
4847.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
现在现在 |
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4847.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
4848.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
4848.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
4850.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
往外海去推的时候 |
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4850.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
4851.56 |
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那水很深 |
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4851.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
4853.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
你没有办法再用固定装 |
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4853.36 |
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4854.68 |
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但是用浮动式的 |
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4854.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
4856.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
那你们具体的时程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
4856.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
4857.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
跟装置容量的这个目标 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
4857.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
4859.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
我们现在就是浮动式的 |
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4859.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
4861.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
它要有一个示范性先做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
4861.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
4863.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
但是固定式的持续在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
4863.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
4865 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
应该提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
4865 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
4866.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
3-1 3-2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
4866.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
4867.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
有一些风场试出来 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
4867.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
4868.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
我们会并到33 |
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4868.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
4871.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
那后续的还会往前走 |
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4871.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
4871.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
这样子 |
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4871.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
4872.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
部长你这样讲的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
4872.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
4874.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
好像你们都有在推动 |
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4874.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
4874.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
4874.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
4877.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
为什么在我们今年的这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
4877.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
4880.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
全国电力资源供需报告里面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
4880.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
4882.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
里面并没有说 |
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4882.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
4883.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
有一个说法出来 |
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4884.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
4885.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
在报告里面 |
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4885.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
4885.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
你们并没有 |
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4885.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
4886.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
没有说呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
4888.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
4889.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
你没有把它放进去 |
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4889.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
4890.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
你并没有把它放进去 |
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4890.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
4892.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
那个是电力供需报告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
4892.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
4893.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
它只会就整个 |
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4893.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
4895.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
在深远发展的趋势讲一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
4895.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
4897.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
那刚刚委员提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
4897.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
4898.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
那个离岸风电的部分 |
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4898.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
4899.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
我们另外会有别的计划 |
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4899.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
4900.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
再公布给大家 |
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4900.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
4901.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
让大家知道 |
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4901.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
4903.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
所以有在推动吗 |
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4903.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
4903.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
有有有 |
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4903.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
4904.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
那个 |
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4906.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
4908.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
不是只是在概念而已 |
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4908.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
4909.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
我们很快的会公布 |
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4909.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
4910.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
还没有具体的时程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
4910.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
4913.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
我们很快的会说明这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
4913.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
4914.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
中长程的这个计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
4914.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
4916.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
就是离岸风电的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
4917.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
4918.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
因为我们昨天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
4918.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
4920.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
明天那个总统府就会开这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
4920.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
4922.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
所以会把市场跟这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
4922.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
4923.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
装置的容量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
4923.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
4924.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
这目标都会定出来 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
4924.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
4925.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
对对对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
4925.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
4926.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
明天因为总统府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
4926.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
4928.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
会开这个气候变迁的委员会 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
4928.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
4929.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
委员会完以后 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
4929.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
4930.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
就会对外说明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
4930.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
4931.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
4931.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
4931.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
4931.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
4932.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
那努力的来做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
4933.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
4935.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
好 谢谢黎立委员部长请回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
4935.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
4938.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
而是请中央议员代替代理主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
4946.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
4948.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
有请邱昭伟的质询 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
4954.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
4956.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
谢主席是不是请街舞总部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
4956.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
4958.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
然后能源所吴署长 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
4958.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
4959.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
请总部长吴署长 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
4959.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
4959.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
谢谢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
4963.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
4964.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
能源管理法修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
4964.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
4966.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
赵伟好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
4966.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
4967.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
部长跟署长 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
4967.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
4968.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
能源管理法修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
4968.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
4970.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
几个本席的条文 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
4970.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
4971.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
跟你讨论一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
4971.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
4971.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
4971.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
4973.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
第七条的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
4973.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
4974.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
我的着重点 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
4974.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
4976.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
跟原版着重点不太一样 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
4976.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
4977.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
你把相关的择救 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
4977.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
4979.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
把它删除掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
4979.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
4981.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
那我是要求你们在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
4981.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
4983.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
储存安全存量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
4983.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
4985.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
有更明确的规范 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
4986.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
4987.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
安全存量有更明确的规范 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
4987.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
4989.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
比方说你的数量基准 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
4989.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
4990.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
设备类型 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
4990.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
4992.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
安全存量替代方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
4992.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
4994.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
这个是不是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
4994.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
4996.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
有一个中央主管机关 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
4996.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
4997.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
就是能源署经济部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
4997.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
4999.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
制定一个更明确的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
5000.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
5002.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
储存设备跟储取安全能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
5002.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
5003.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
相关的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
5004.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
5005.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
这个可行吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
5006 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
5006.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
你来说明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
5006.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
5008.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
来那个吴署长 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
5008.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
5009.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
跟我们报告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
5009.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
5011.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
这个目前就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
5011.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
5013.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
在执法里面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
5013.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
5014.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
本来就有规定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
5014.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
5015.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
像这些适用对象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
5015.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
5016.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
还有它的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
5016.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
5017.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
你现在执法就有吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
5017.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
5018.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
5018.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
5020 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
就是我们有一个叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
5020 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
5021.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
能源供应事业 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
5021.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
5023.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
集能用户应打办理能源管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
5023.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
5024.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
相关事项之 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
5024.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
5026.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
能源供应数量使用基准 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
5026.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
5029 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
及储存安全存量的规定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
5029 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
5030.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
所以你已经在执法上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
5030.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
5031.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
有相当的规定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
5031.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
5032.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
对有类似的规定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
5032.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
5032.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
5032.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
5033.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
类似 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
5033.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
5034.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
有没有更明确的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
5034.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
5036.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
比方说适用的对象等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
5036.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
5036.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].start |
5036.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
5038.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
基准 类型 安全存量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
5038.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
5039.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
还有替代方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
5039.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
5041.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
我跟赵委报告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
5041.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
5042.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
比如说像能源供应事业的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
5042.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
5044.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
它就有规定说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
5044.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
5045.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
能源供应数量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
5045.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
5046.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
好 我了解 组长 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].start |
5046.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
5047.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
是不是如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
5047.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
5048.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
我这条我不放进去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
5048.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
5050.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
但是你们在相关执法里面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
5050.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
5051.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
定的更明确一点 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
5051.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].end |
5052.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
没问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
5052.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
5053.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
5053.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
5054.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
另外第九条的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].start |
5055.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
5056.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
这条 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
5056.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].end |
5057.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
我看你们报告好像 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
5057.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
5058.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
你们有相关执法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
5058.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
5060.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
在做执行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
5060.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
5061.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
就针对这些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
5061.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
5065.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
这个查核机制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
5065.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
5067.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
节能的目标 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
5067.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
5068.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
执行计划的准则 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
5068.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
5070.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
这些部分执法里面有吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
5073.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
5075.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
我们是有规定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
5075.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
5078.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
就是说他要报的这个计划 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
5078.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
5080.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
报完以后我们现在是改 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
5080.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
5081.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
以前是核备比较不明确 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
5081.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
5082.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
我们现在改成核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
5082.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
5083.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
核定那里 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
5083.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
5085.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
有相关的查核的这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
5085.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
5086.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
有 我们有相关的查核机制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
5086.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
5087.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
定在哪里呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
5087.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
5089.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
他另外有执法里面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
5089.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
5091.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
会有定一个公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
5091.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
5092.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
怎么查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
5092.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
5093.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
现在执法定了吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
5093.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
5093.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
还在定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
5093.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
5095.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
原来就有一个执法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
5095.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
5096.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
对 因为这是一个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
5096.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
5097.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
所以你原来就有这个执法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
5097.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
5101.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
针对我这边所罗列的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
5101.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
5102.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
能源查核制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
5102.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
5104.03 |
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执行计划准则相关 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
5104.03 |
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5105.55 |
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都有吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
5105.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
5106.99 |
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都有类似的规定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
5106.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
5108.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
那因为我们现在本来就有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
5108.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
5110.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
大用户一年要节电1%跟1.5% |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
5110.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
5112.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
所以我们有相关的一些规定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
5112.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
5113.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
那委员之间 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
5113.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
5113.75 |
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我需要说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
5113.75 |
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5115.43 |
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如果我这不放进去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
5115.43 |
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5117.47 |
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你们相关执法要制定更完整一点 |
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5117.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
5119.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
5119.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
5120.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
第七条跟第九条 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
5120.99 |
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5122.07 |
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那另外就是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
5122.07 |
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5123.51 |
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你第十条的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
5124.7 |
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5126.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
这个缺容量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
5126.34 |
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5128.7 |
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大概一定容量的用户 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
5128.7 |
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5129.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
一定齐心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
5129.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
5131.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
装饰一定容量以上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
5131.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
5133.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
自用发电设备跟储能设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
5134.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
5136.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
这些是你要用执法来做规范吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
5137.65 |
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5138.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
5138.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
5139.45 |
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是 因为 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
5140.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
5142.22 |
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因为再生能源条例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
5142.22 |
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5144.86 |
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也是类似这样的体力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
5144.86 |
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5146.3 |
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所以你用执法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
5146.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
5148.18 |
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执法什么会出来呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
5148.18 |
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5150.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
执法通常是母法通过以后的半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
5150.66 |
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5151.98 |
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半年之内会出来 |
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5151.98 |
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5154.1 |
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所以会很清楚的规范 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
5154.1 |
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5154.86 |
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相关的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
5154.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
5155.9 |
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包括装饰容量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
5155.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
5156.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
设备种类 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
5156.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
5157.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
设置方式等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
5157.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
5158.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
5158.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
5160.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
5160.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
5162.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
那另外这个是五年以内吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
5163.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
5165.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
再生能源它的规定是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
5165.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
5167.47 |
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在当年度1月1月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
5167.47 |
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5169.35 |
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那是再生能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
5169.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
5171.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
给予的这个宽限期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
5171.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
5173.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
或者是磨合期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
5173.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
5174.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
那这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
5174.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
5177.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
那我们这个将来也会有类似的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
5177.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
5177.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
宽限期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
5177.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
5178.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
5178.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
5179.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
那期限是多少呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
5180.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].end |
5181.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].text |
要定执法定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
5181.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].end |
5182.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].text |
执法定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].start |
5182.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].end |
5182.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].start |
5182.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].end |
5182.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].text |
因为 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].start |
5182.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].end |
5183.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].text |
条例是5年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
5183.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].end |
5184.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].text |
条例是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
5184.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].end |
5185.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].text |
那个再生能源是5年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].start |
5185.61 |
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5187.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].text |
我们用这个基准来跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
5187.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].end |
5190.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].text |
相关业者做一个讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].start |
5190.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].end |
5191.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].text |
好 那可能会定多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].start |
5192.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].end |
5193.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
就是用5年做的基准 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
5193.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].end |
5194.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].text |
也是用5年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].start |
5194.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].end |
5195.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].text |
对 问问他们 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
5195.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].end |
5196.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].text |
可不可以做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].start |
5196.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].end |
5197.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].text |
意思是这样 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].start |
5197.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].end |
5199.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].text |
那如果说用他们回答是做不到呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
5200.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].end |
5201.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].text |
我们当然也会判断 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].start |
5201.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].end |
5202.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].text |
他要讲一个理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].start |
5202.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].end |
5203.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].text |
没有 十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
5203.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].end |
5204.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].text |
他如果说十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
5204.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].end |
5206.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].text |
你们可以接受吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
5206.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
5209.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].text |
我们还是用5年作为基准来作为讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
5209.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
5210.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
你这样定下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
5210.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].end |
5211.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].text |
他就要遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
5211.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].end |
5215.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].text |
我们当然也一定要让他可以做得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
5215.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].end |
5216.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
5216.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].end |
5217.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
他如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
5217.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
5218.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
业界普遍反映 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
5218.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
5219.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
就跟我们陈情说十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
5219.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
5220.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
你们会接受吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
5220.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
5222.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
那个真的太久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
5223.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
5225.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
你觉得合理期间大概是多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
5226.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
5228.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
就是我们用5年作为基准来做讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
5228.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
5229.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
5229.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
5232.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
好 那另外继续请教第十条 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
5232.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
5235.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
其实还是有相关的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
5236.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
5239.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
你跟电业法做一些配套去思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
5240.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
5241.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
会有一些买不到的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
5241.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
5243.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
还有没有地盖的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
5243.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
5246.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
还有整合的问题等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
5246.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
5248.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
这些让你自在难行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
5248.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
5251.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
你徒有相关的法律的义务 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
5251.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
5253.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
但是哪里去履行这些法定义务 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
5254.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
5256.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
所以部长跟署长有没有看到这个问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
5256.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
5258.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
所以刚刚跟委员报告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
5258.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
5260.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
就是为什么我们要跟相关 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
5260.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
5262.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
厉害关系的人做一个讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
5262.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
5264.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
像相关厉害关系有多少人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
5264.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
5266.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
有多少人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
5266.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
5268.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
700多户 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
5268.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
5270.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
如果用5MW |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
5270.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
5272.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
有700多户5MW |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
5272.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
5275.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
然后你们有召开相关的会议的吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
5275.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
5276.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
召开了两场 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
5276.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
5277.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
后续还会召开 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
5277.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
5279.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
那主要是分布在哪里 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
5279.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
5281.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
700多户主要出布在哪里 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
5282.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
5283.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
跟我们报告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
5283.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
5284.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
他有的是在园区 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
5284.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
5286.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
有的是在工业区 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
5286.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
5286.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
5286.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
5289.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
那我们现在是在台北开过一场 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
5289.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
5289.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
高雄开过一场 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
5289.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
5293.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
我们后续有陆续到比较集中的区域去开 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
5293.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
5294.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
这些说明会 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
5294.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
5298.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
这个三个问题都很难去处理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
5298.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
5299.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
买不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
5299.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
5300.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
真的就是买不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
5300.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
5302.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
然后你要叫他去有一些什么 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
5302.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
5304.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
市行设施 市行使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
5304.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
5306.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
那他找地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
5308.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
5309.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
没有地怎么去改 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
5309.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
5311.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
所以我刚刚跟委员报告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
5311.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
5314.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
就是说我们还是要跟这些厉害关系人作为讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
5314.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
5316.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
而且新旧可能会有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
5316.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
5317.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
会有不一样 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
5317.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
5320.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
这个部分你们还要讨论多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
5321.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
5325.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
就是持续的跟这些厂商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
5325.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
5327.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
有一些座谈会 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
5327.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
5329.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
持续来做一些讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
5329.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
5331.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
但是我觉得你光开完座谈会 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
5331.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
5332.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
总要解决这些问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
5332.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
5336.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
你要有一个完整的一个报告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
5336.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
5336.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
5336.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
5338.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
这些完整的报告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
5338.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
5338.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
5339.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
5341.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
牵涉到如何解决买不到问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
5341.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
5343.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
如何解决没地盖的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
5343.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
5344.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
如何解决整合问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
5346.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
5348.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
不要说给你半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
5348.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
5349.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
半年会不会太久 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
5350.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
5351.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
半年可以吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
5351.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
5352.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
可以啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
5352.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
5353.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
我们因为母法通过半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
5353.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
5354.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
我们一定要出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
5354.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
5355.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
对 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
5355.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
5356.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
所以你要把这些问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
5356.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
5357.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
5357.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
5358.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
三个月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
5358.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
5359.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
你要初步的解决 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
5359.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
5360.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
放到里面里面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
5360.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
5361.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
三个月提出一个报告好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
5361.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
5362.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
好好好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
5362.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
5365.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
另外电网任性的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
5366.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
5368.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
一停电就造成民生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
5368.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
5371.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
或者是工业生产很大的问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
5371.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
5373.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
所以停电是一个梦业 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
5373.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
5375.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
所以你从109到114年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
5375.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
5377.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
停电的三小时次数 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
5377.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
5378.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
一直在增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
5379.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
5380.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
所以这部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
5380.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
5381.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
5381.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
5384.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
有一个统计的资料库 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
5384.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
5386.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
你要盘点整个一位风灾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
5386.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
5386.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
或者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
5386.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
5389.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
过去有停电记录三个小时的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
5389.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
5391.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
属于高风险地区 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
5391.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
5393.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
我们要进行结构的整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
5393.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
5394.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
强化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
5394.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
5396.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
有没有这相关的资料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
5399.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
5401.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
台电公司有没有代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
5401.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
5403.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
这个部分我们有资料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
5403.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
5405.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
那我们是不是会后再提供给委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
5405.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
5406.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
那我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
5406.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
5407.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
这个资料提供给我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
5407.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
5408.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
但是最重要是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
5408.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
5411.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
你们针对这个高风险地区 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
5411.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
5412.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
除了盘点之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
5412.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
5414.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
你们去强化那个 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
5414.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
5416.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
防灾任性跟陷入的维护 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
5416.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
5417.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
让 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
5417.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
5419.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
让这三小时不会常出现 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
5419.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
5420.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
其实报告委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
5420.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
5423.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
其实我们都会针对这些比较高风险 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
5423.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
5424.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
或者是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
5424.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
5426.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
所以去盘点相关的一些热去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
5426.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
5427.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
那去做一个 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
5427.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
5430.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
加强的一个重点的一个巡视跟防范 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
5430.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
5434.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
你们台电总公司要有个对策 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
5434.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
5435.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
要有一个政策方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
5435.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
5438.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
然后要各分处去执行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
5438.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
5440.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
把他所辖下的这个热点 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
5440.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
5441.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
三个小时以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
5441.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
5443.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
停电过去的这些记录 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
5443.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
5445.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
要加强他整个任性的强化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
5445.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
5449.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
是 石邦委员我们都是朝这方向去努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
5449.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
5450.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
好 谢谢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
5451.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
5452.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
谢谢邱昭伟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
5452.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
5453.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
谢谢部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
5453.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
5454.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
谢谢署长 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
5454.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
5456.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
接下来有请陈昭明委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
5469.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
5470.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
还有一个次序啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].start |
5471.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
5474.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
首先邀请我们经济部总部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
5474.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].end |
5475.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].text |
请经济部总部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
5481.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].end |
5482.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].text |
市委员早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
5482.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
5483.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
啊 口部部长早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
5483.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
5484.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
5484.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
5489.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
那今天能源管理法部问讨论就修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
5489.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
5491.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
原则上我们都会支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
5491.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
5492.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].text |
谢谢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
5492.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
5494.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
但是我第三点我要请教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
5495.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
5497.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
就是管理啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
5497.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
5500.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
你们在有五个重点里面的第三点 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
5501.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
5503.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
增添能源大户 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
5503.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
5508.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].text |
用设置自用发电及除冷设备 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
5509.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
5512.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
有最余强化企业能源的自给能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
5513.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
5515.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
那我常常在想一个问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
5517.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
5518.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
包括我们能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
5519.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
5521.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].text |
包括台电都讲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
5521.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
5524.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].text |
我们2030年以前不缺电 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
5525.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
5527.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].text |
今天你把这个条文弄出来 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
5527.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
5529.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
主要的用意在哪里 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
5529.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
5530.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].text |
让我们了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
5531.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
5532.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
那报委员还是要增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
5532.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
5534.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].text |
因为他是用电大户 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
5534.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].end |
5535.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
就是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
5536.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
5539.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].text |
就是增加他的这个韧性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
5539.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
5541.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].text |
电力供应的韧性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
5541.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
5542.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
5544.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].end |
5545.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
还是会有天灾嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
5545.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].end |
5546.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
对不对 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
5546.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
5548 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
如果发生天灾的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
5548 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
5549.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
他是用电大户 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
5549.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
5551.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
那用电的数量那么多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
5551.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
5553.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
那如果在这个时间里面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
5553.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
5554.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
他有一个这样的韧性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
5563.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
5565.2 |
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所以这条条文怪怪 |
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5565.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
5566.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
但是我容忍 |
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5566.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
5567.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
这里面你要 |
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5568.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
5570 |
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这样条文出来里面 |
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5570.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
5571.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
那你告诉我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
5571.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
5574.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
自用发电现在有几种方式 |
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5574.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
5575.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
照我了解的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
5575.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
5577.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
有一个气垫工程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
5577.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
5578.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
一个发电机 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
5578.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
5580.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
有没有更新型的发式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
5581.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
5584.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
就是固定式的燃料电磁发电 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
5590.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
5592.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
保来者的那一个的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
5592.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
5593.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
我是问的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
5593.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
5595.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
因为刚刚我们躺在阻碍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
5595.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
5596.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
所以我比较清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
5597.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].end |
5599.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
但是容来要用到天然气 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].start |
5599.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].end |
5600.07 |
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要要要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].start |
5600.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].end |
5602.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].text |
天然气关于断供的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].start |
5602.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].end |
5603.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
你要怎么办 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].start |
5615.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].end |
5617.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
所以是为什么是多元 |
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5617.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
5618.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
有一个是直接用电的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
5618.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
5619.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
有一个天然气 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
5619.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
5621.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
只要天然气不断 |
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5621.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].end |
5622.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
他就不会断电 |
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5622.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].end |
5622.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].text |
我跟你讲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].start |
5622.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].end |
5623.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].text |
天然气不断 |
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5623.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
5625.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
我是讲是关于天然气断电 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].start |
5625.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].end |
5626.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
你都说好听 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].start |
5626.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].end |
5628.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].text |
但是我给你提醒一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].start |
5628.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].end |
5629.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].text |
我们都不反对 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].start |
5629.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].end |
5632.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].text |
因为这个一个新式的能源方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].start |
5632.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
5633.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
对 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].start |
5633.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].end |
5635.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
还有一个除能的方式 |
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5635.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
5636.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].text |
到底要多大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].start |
5636.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].end |
5639.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].text |
才能让这些工厂能用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].start |
5640.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].end |
5642.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].text |
除能里面现在你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].start |
5642.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].end |
5644.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].text |
电池里面最重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].start |
5644.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].end |
5647.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].text |
电池现在也很怕会去燃烧起来 |
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5648.03 |
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5650.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].text |
所以这个考量里面 |
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5650.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].end |
5652.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].text |
你花了那么大的钱 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
5652.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
5653.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
不是天天在用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
5653.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
5655.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].text |
只是紧急在用便用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].start |
5655.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
5657.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
他的投资法不划算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].start |
5657.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
5659.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].text |
大家都是将本求利的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].start |
5659.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
5661.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].text |
只要台积电有办法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
5661.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
5662.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].text |
高利润 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].start |
5662.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].end |
5664.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].text |
毛利能到85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].start |
5665.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].end |
5667.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].text |
到80的企业才有办法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].start |
5667.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].end |
5668.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
好好考量一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
5668.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
5670.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
不反对你们做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].start |
5670.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
5672.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].text |
把自己的重点 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].start |
5672.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].end |
5674.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].text |
纳在那边 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].start |
5674.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].end |
5676.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].text |
所以自用自备花电 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].start |
5676.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
5679.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
你现在一个标准条件要出来 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].start |
5680.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].end |
5683.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].text |
让这些能源大户有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
5683.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
5685.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
可以征行的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].start |
5685.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
5686.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
不容易投资错了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].start |
5686.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
5688.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
这不是休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].start |
5688.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
5691.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
你一个能源的成本都要好几亿 |
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5691.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
5692.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].start |
5692.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].end |
5693.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
特别注意这一点 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].start |
5694.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
5695.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
再来 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].start |
5696.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
5697.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
我一直很生气 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
5698.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
5701.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
我们AI资料中心的纳管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
5701.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
5705.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
那经济部在7月1号 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].start |
5706.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
5709 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
有一个易高修正能源开发 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
5709 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
5711.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
及使用评估的诊者 |
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5711.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
5713.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
所谓被5Mbps |
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5714.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
5716.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
以上的资料中心要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].start |
5716.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
5718.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
点个寻查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].start |
5719.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
5720.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
以前台电的董事长 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].start |
5720.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
5722.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
在请教他的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].start |
5722.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
5723.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
他就说 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].start |
5723.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
5724.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
桃园以北 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].start |
5724.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
5727.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
因为电网的贫穷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
5727.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
5728.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
所以要设立5Mbps |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
5728.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
5731.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
以上的资料中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
5731.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
5733.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
是非常困难的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
5733.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
5737.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
那在2024年的9月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
5737.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
5739.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
台电的供电会议决议 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
5739.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
5742.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
桃园以北暂缓供电 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
5743.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
5746.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
这个都是这样一路下来的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
5746.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
5748.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
但是部长你到桃园说 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
5748.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
5749.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
这个没有问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
5750.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
5752.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
和Umega以上没有问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
5752.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
5754.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
其实你7月1号 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
5754.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
5755.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
才修正能源开发 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
5755.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
5757.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
及使用评估的诊者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
5757.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
5759.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
大家都很紧张 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
5760.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
5761.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
到底在桃园以北 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
5761.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
5762.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
有没有问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
5762.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
5765.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
阿民的电网已经均一完成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
5766.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
5767.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
阿你那个什么 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
5767.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
5770.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
变电站那些都没有完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
5770.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
5772.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
你到底有去跟他们打招呼吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
5772.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
5774.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
现在大家欲望都说 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
5774.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
5775.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
跑到桃园去 |
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5776.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
5779 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
报告委员因为桃园以北 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
5779 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
5780.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
事实上他是比较 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
5780.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
5782.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
都市比较多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
5782.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
5785.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
那些电网人也比较密集 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
5785.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
5786.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
那这些电网 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
5786.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
5788.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
因为你要做算力中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
5788.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
5790 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
如果是5Mbps以上的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
5790 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
5791.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
要拉比较高的电压 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].start |
5791.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
5793.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
需要比较高的电压 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
5793.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
5795.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
你一讲下来 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
5795.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
5796.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
不管你几Mbps |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
5796.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
5797.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
2Mbps |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
5797.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
5798.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
3Mbps |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
5798.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
5798.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
怎么样 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
5798.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
5801.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
大家都会逃避到5Mbps以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
5801.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
5803.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
但是我分散式了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
5803.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
5804.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
你会受不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
5804.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
5805.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
所以我们希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
5805.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
5806.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
现在已经发觉这样 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
5806.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
5809 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
内湖地区好几个 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
5809.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
5812.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
好 那个AI的算力中心在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
5813.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
5815.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
那易用电下来都很吓人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
5816.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
5819.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
所以你要好好考虑这个问题 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
5819.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
5820.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
AI算力中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
5822.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
5823.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
不论大风 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
5823.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
5825.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
电力中心会是在北部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
5826.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
5829.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
他们究竟能看管得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
5830.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
5833.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
那对我们民生用电的压力会非常大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
5834.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
5837.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
是 所以我们才有这样的相关规范 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
5837.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
5839.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
你如果说 |
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5839.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
5841 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
你如果要超过5Mbps以上的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
5841 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
5842.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
比较大型的算力中心的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].start |
5842.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
5843.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
我跟讲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
5843.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
5845.32 |
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大部分在2Mbps |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
5845.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
5848 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
3Mbps上面加起来就很吓人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
5848.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
5851.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
我上次也问你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
5851.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
5853.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
我说AI的算力中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
5853.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
5856.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
不是说只有5Mbps以上才会去审查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
5856.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
5859.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].text |
5Mbps以下还是看区域的电网 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
5859.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].end |
5861.66 |
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设在5Mbps以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
5861.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].end |
5865.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].text |
这样子比较能避开你们严格的审查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].start |
5865.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].end |
5866.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
我是不是先跟你提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
5866.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].end |
5868.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].text |
现在已经有好几家在做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
5868.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].end |
5870.1 |
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是 如果说 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
5870.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].end |
5873.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
很多的2Mbps 3Mbps在区域建起来 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
5873.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
5875.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
但是影响到电网的安全的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
5875.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].end |
5877.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
大概也还是没有办法投降 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
5878.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].end |
5880.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].text |
所以你不关心苗栗水 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].start |
5880.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].end |
5883.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
我们有通宵火力化电厂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
5883.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].end |
5885.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].text |
我们在旁边很近 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
5885.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].end |
5887.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].text |
而且我们是屈辽地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
5887.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].end |
5888.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
你有没有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
5888.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
5891.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
美国跟伊朗在打仗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
5891.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
5894.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
他打到那个杜拜的Google |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
5894.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
5898.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
MVL的市区中心先把他打掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
5898.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].end |
5901.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
市在台北那边很容易变差 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
5901.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].end |
5903.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
设置到苗栗最安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
5903.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
5905.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
4Mbps3Mbps3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
5906.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
5907.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
2Mbps3Mbps水库 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
5907.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
5909.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
还有天花湖水库 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
5912.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
5914.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
我听到你们声响 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
5914.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
5916.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
我再讲一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
5916.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
5916.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
不谈欧党 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
5917.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
5920.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
你要平均的分布在我这边 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
5920.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
5924.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
打的时候区域地比较安全一点 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
5924.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
5926.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
土地也非常困扣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
5926.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
5928.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
通宵火力化电厂也够 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
5928.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
5930.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
你也给我们推荐 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
5930.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
5932.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
你要来导师叫来表演 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
5932.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
5936.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
我们成立AI专利特区的土地给他们 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
5937.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
5939.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
这是我们中共女省长意识拜托 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
5940.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
5941.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
这个非常不错 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
5942.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
5944.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
你们拜托他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
5944.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
5947.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
把要设AI中心的那一些不要在北部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
5947.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
5950.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
用电那么量会影响到民生用电 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
5950.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
5952.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
大家会非常紧张 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
5953.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
5956.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
现在美国加州有一个大的AI中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
5956.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
5958.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
被当地的州长取消了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
5963.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
5966.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
你看我一直点头 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
5966.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
5967.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
你一直点头 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
5967.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
5968.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
你真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
5968.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
5969.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
5969.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
5971.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
我就跟我们国家提出计划出来 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
5971.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
5973.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
先给你感谢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
5973.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
5973.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
多谢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
5973.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
5973.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
谢谢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
5975.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
5978.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
谢谢陈商铭委员实现掌握非常精准 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
5979.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
5980.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
多谢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
5980.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
5981.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
部长请不坐 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
5983 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
5985.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
我们在郑天才委员执行完之后 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
5985.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
5986.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
我们休息五分钟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
5986.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
5987.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
5987.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
5988.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
下位指揮官请郑天才委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
6008.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
6009.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
6009.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
6010.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].text |
有请部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
6010.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
6011.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].text |
请经济部总部长 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
6018.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
6019.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
部长好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
6020.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
6023.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
今天审查能源管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
6023.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
6025.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
上次也有询答过 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
6025.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
6025.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
因为 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
6026.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
6028.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
这一板最近才送来 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
6028.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
6029.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
所以今天审查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
6031.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
6033.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
能源管理法第二条 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
6033.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
6035.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
行政院版有第二条 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
6036.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
6039.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
本席又提出第二条增加再生能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
6039.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
6040.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
6040.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
6043.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
那行政院版有多一个第七款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
6043.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
6046.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
增烈第七款热能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
6046.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
6048.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
这个热能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
6048.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
6049.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
热能这两个字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
6051.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
6052.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
目前没有定议 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
6052.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
6052.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
看不错 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
6052.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
6053.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
我看了这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
6053.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
6055.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
所有的法规 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
6055.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
6056.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
没有定议 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
6057.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
6061.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
在我们现行的能源管理法第四条 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
6061.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
6062.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
有热能这两个字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
6063.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
6064.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
有热能这两个字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
6065.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].end |
6067.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].text |
所以这个我们等一下可以讨论 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
6068.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].end |
6070.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
在行政院版的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
6071.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
6072.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
这个说明里面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
6073.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
6074.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
针对热能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
6074.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
6076.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
在第十说明二里面也特别提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
6077.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
6079.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
考量第四条有关 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
6080.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
6082.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
气垫供生之规定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
6082.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
6085.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
食物上以纳管增气 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].start |
6086.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
6087.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
及热能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
6087.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
6089.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
所以到底是增气还是热能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
6089.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
6090.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
还是两个字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].start |
6090.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
6090.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
一样的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
6091.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
6092.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
所以这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].start |
6092.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
6094.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
所以就必须要去评 |
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6094.22 |
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6095.18 |
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去考量 |
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6095.74 |
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6096.86 |
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这个热能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
6096.86 |
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6098.38 |
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居然已经放在 |
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6099.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
6102.25 |
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这个本法所称的能源 |
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6102.25 |
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6104.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
那要不要另外把热能 |
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6104.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
6106.41 |
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要不要另外做定议 |
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6106.41 |
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6109.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
这个是需要去讨论的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
6109.61 |
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6111.53 |
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这个是需要去讨论的 |
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6111.53 |
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6113.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
因为 |
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6113.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
6114.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
因为这个再生能源 |
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6117.11 |
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6118.39 |
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再生能源 |
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6118.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
6119.15 |
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发展条例 |
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6119.77 |
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6120.61 |
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第三条 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
6121.51 |
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6123.27 |
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对于再生能源 |
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6123.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
6123.99 |
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有做定议 |
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6124.62 |
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6126.26 |
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它包含了太阳能 |
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6126.26 |
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6127.42 |
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生殖能 |
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6127.42 |
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6128.02 |
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地热能 |
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6128.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
6129.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
所以会 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].start |
6130.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
6131.95 |
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如果没有去注意看 |
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6131.95 |
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6133.67 |
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以为那个热能就是地热能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
6134.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
6135.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
没有去注意看的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
6135.42 |
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6136.06 |
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就说这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
6137.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
6139.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
行政院把未来这个通过的话 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
6139.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
6140.11 |
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是涵盖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
6140.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
6140.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
涵盖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
6140.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
6142.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
这个热能第七款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
6142.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
6143.31 |
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这个部分就会 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
6143.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
6144.35 |
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但是不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
6144.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
6145.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
互以为 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
6145.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
6146.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
所以这个部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
6146.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
6148.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
会有这样的一个 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
6148.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
6148.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
6149.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
6150.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
因为毕竟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
6150.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
6151.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
执行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
6151.51 |
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6152.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
或是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
6152.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
6153.27 |
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或是民间 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
6153.94 |
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6155.1 |
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它未必 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
6155.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
6156.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
那个法规 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
6156.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
6157.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
那么的详细的去看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
6158.86 |
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6159.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
所以这个部分 |
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6159.62 |
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6161.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
因为在再生能源的 |
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6161.74 |
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6162.62 |
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定议里面 |
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6163.6 |
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6164.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
就说这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
6164.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
6165.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
生殖能是怎么 |
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6165.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
6166.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
另外再定议 |
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6166.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
6167.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
有没有 |
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6167.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
6168.16 |
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地热能 |
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6168.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
6168.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
另外再定议 |
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6169.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
6170.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
阳能 |
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6170.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
6171.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
也另外定议 |
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6171.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
6172.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
所以我们再 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
6173.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
6175 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
针对这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
6175 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
6177.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
能源管理法第二条行政院版 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
6177.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
6179.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
加了一个热能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
6179.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
6180.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
6180.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
6181.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
就必须考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
6181.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
6182.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
何况 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
6182.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
6184.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
第十条就有热能的用字了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
6184.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
6185.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
但是没有定议 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
6186.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
6186.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
所以这个部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
6186.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
6187.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
为了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
6188.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
6189.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
让大家都能够 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
6189.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
6190.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
很明确 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
6190.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
6192.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
6192.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
6192.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
我们再 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
6192.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
6194.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
再请行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
6194.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
6195.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
经济部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
6195.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
6196.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
这边再研议 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
6196.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
6196.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
6196.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
6197.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
在我们 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
6197.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
6200.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
逐条审查的时候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
6200.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
6203.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
是不是要做这样的一个 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
6203.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
6205.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
增加这样的一个定议 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
6205.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
6207.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
所以这个部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
6207.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
6208.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
这个我们再 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
6208.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
6209.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
请经济部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
6209.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
6210.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
这边再 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
6210.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
6211.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
再评估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
6211.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
6211.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
6211.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
6212.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
可以吗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
6212.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
6212.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
6212.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
6213.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
我们再 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
6213.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
6215.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
看看要再说明了里面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
6215.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
6217.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
增加您刚才提到的定议 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
6217.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
6218.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
或是在哪里 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
6218.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
6220.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
我们来加强说明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
6220.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
6221.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
对 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
6221.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
6222.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
或者是说 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
6222.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
6222.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
能够 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
6222.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
6225.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
另外定议更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
6225.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
6225.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
这个是会 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
6225.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
6227.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
因为等于是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
6227.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
6228.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
他是跟这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
6229.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
6231 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
再生能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
6231.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
6233.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
发展条例的地热能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
6233.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
6234.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
有所差 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
6234.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
6236.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
有所区别 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
6236.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
6237.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
就会很明确 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
6237.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
6239.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
就会很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
6239.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
6240.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
不然的话一下子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
6240.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
6242.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
会以为是这个地热能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
6242.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
6242.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
因为 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
6243.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
6245.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
这个地热能相关的这些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
6245.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
6246.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
定议 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
6246.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
6248.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
或者是说相关的这些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
6249.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
6252.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
也都有相关的规定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
6252.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
6252.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
比如说 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
6254.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
6254.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
这个 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
6255.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
6256.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
sauna |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
6256.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
6259.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
因為有再生能源條例 有地熱能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
6259.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
6261.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
所以才會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
6261.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
6266.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
地熱能探勘以開發許可及管理辦法第九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
6266.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
6267.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
它就有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
6267.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
6270.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
所以這個會牽扯到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
6270.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
6271.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
會相關啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
6271.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
6274.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
所以我的建議就是說熱能的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
6274.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
6277.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
如果能做出定義的話啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
6277.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
6278.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
如果啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
6278.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
6281.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
當然我們在築條的時候可以把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
6281.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
6283.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
再納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
6283.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
6284.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
這是第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
6285.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
6288.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
那我就回到這個地熱能這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
6289.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
6292.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
因為它是一個再生能源發展條例所明定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
6292.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
6293.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
地熱能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
6294.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
6296.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
所以相關地熱能的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
6297.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
6300.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
要去探勘或是開發許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
6301.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
6303.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
就定了一個管理辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
6303.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
6305.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
這管理辦法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
6305.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
6306.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
第四 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
6307.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
6308.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
第四款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
6308.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
6310.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
第一項的第四款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
6310.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
6311.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
第九條的第四款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
6312.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
6316.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
開發場址位於原住民族土地或部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
6316.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
6320.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
及其周邊一定範圍內之公有土地者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
6320.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
6324.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
應檢附於原住民族基本法第21條規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
6324.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
6326.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
辦理之相關證明文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
6327.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
6329.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
現在在執行上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
6329.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
6332.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
這個原住民族部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
6333.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
6335.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
跟我們的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
6336.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
6337.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
6337.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
6338.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
6338.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
6339.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
或是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
6340.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
6342.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
這個主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
6341.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
6342.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
會產生一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
6344.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
6346.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
一直以來的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
6347.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
6350.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
就是說這個因為你們寫的是開發場址 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
6351.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
6352.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
開發場址 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
6353.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
6356.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
地熱能的開發場址 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
6357.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
6359.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
6358.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
6360.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
要依這個原基法21條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
6361.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
6362.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
就變成說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
6362.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
6366.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
通常開發場址就是在那個地熱能的前面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
6367.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
6369.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
這個開發場址 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
6370.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
6372.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
事實上地熱在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
6372.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
6373.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
地熱能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
6374.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
6376.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
地熱能在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
6376.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
6379.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
他會他的周邊就不是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
6379.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
6381.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
這個旁邊的部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
6381.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
6383.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
他可能會是另外一個部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
6385.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
6387.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
6385.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
6387.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
就會產生這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
6388.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
6390.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
E |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
6389.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
6391.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
事實上我在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
6391.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
6393.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
我有召開過協調會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
6394.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
6396.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
也邀請過這個經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
6397.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
6400.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
即應該是能源署吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
6401.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
6403.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
所以也也討論過這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
6403.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
6405.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
所以你們要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
6405.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
6406.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
針對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
6407.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
6409.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
這個管理辦法第九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
6409.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
6411.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
或是其他的條文跟地熱能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
6412.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
6414.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
的探勘開發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
6414.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
6415.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
6415.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
6417.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
要依原基法21條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
6417.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
6419.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
來去辦理這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
6419.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
6421.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
諮商部落諮商同意的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
6422.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
6424.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
這個就必須要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
6424.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
6426.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
因為現在目前就是有這樣的一個爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
6427.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
6429.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
當目前的做法就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
6430.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
6432.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
就是在那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
6431.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
6433.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
地熱能因為你地熱能開發場子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
6433.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
6435.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
當然會是比較平坦的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
6437.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
6439.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
對不對 事實上地熱在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
6439.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
6441.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
地熱能在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
6441.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
6443.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
它可能還這個可能很遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
6443.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
6445.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
所以會產生這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
6445.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
6447.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
在執行上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
6449.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
6451.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
對部落的諮商同意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
6454.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
6456.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
執行上都會產生這樣的疑問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
6456.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
6458.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
所以這個部分請這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
6458.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
6460.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
經濟部能源署 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
6460.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
6462.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
或是相關機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
6462.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
6464.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
再研議好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
6465.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
6467.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
來瞭解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
6468.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
6470.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
謝謝政務委員部長辛苦之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
6470.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
6472.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
我們現在休息五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
6783.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
6785.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
好請立席關心請就座 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
6785.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
6787.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
我們繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
6786.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
6788.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
下一聲請謝一鳳謝一鳳謝一鳳不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
6788.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
6790.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
下一聲請鍾嘉斌委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
6803.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
6805.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
主席再談委員先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
6805.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
6807.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
列席政府軍事法官員會場公眾夥伴媒體記者女士先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
6807.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
6809.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
有請拱部長跟吳署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
6809.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
6811.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
請記住拱部長能源署吳署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
6817.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
6819.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
部長好署長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
6819.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
6821.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
今天我是說要求競速評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
6821.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
6823.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
自備發電的設備選項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
6823.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
6825.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
還有盤點我們消防公安都計的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
6825.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
6827.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
配套法規為什麼呢我們先看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
6827.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
6829.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
今天我看之前的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
6829.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
6831.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
都詢問過你們的執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
6831.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
6833.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
因為你們這次能源管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
6833.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
6835.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
因應電力用電的成長需求你們修訂了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
6835.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
6837.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
而且還有個用電大戶的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
6837.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
6839.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
條款說到5MW以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
6839.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
6841.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
要自備發電設施結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
6841.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
6843.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
股市怎麼反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
6843.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
6845.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
現在雖然上禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
6845.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
6847.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
到現在股市這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
6847.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
6849.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
雲霄飛車啊但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
6849.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
6851.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
儲能股跟能源股呢好像都還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
6851.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
6853.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
被看好請問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
6853.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
6855.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
今天大家一直問你說公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
6855.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
6857.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
部執法的內容你你知道為什麼大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
6857.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
6859.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
都在關心嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
6859.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
6861.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
股票的關係還是什麼關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
6862.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
6864.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
發委員因為這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
6864.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
6866.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
有苛責企業界的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
6866.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
6868.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
大家都很關心他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
6868.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
6870.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
會不會被苛責到所以供應商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
6870.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
6872.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
他就強調你們修法之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
6872.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
6874.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
你們要買他的產品需求者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
6874.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
6876.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
他擔心成本我到底要不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
6876.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
6878.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
去徵購這些設備對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
6878.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
6880.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
站在我們企業營運的角度他一定會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
6880.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
6882.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
關心到底他未來要因應法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
6882.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
6884.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
調整他去做什麼樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
6884.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
6886.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
配合好那我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
6886.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
6888.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
這裡面有個很關鍵的過去比較沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
6888.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
6890.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
出現的過去我們任何 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
6890.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
6892.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
的事業都要有個緊急 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
6892.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
6894.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
備援對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
6894.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
6896.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
現在你們對這個自備發電 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
6896.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
6898.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
到底緊急備援可不可以記錄自備 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
6898.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
6900.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
發電的容量當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
6900.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
6902.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
6902.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
6904.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
部長或者署長你們有沒有一個明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
6904.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
6906.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
最後要宣示 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
6906.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
6908.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
就是我們還要跟相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
6908.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
6910.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
利害關係人做一些討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
6910.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
6912.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
那我試著來詮釋一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
6912.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
6914.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
緊急備援跟自備 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
6914.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
6916.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
發電是兩碼子事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
6916.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
6918.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
緊急備援我是馬克風公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
6918.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
6920.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
我不是生產事業但是我要緊急備援 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
6920.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
6922.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
電梯不能停 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
6922.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
6924.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
照明不能停 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
6924.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
6926.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
狀況發生的時候疏散顧客對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
6926.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
6928.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
但是我不需要什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
6928.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
6930.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
自備發電來供應我的冷氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
6930.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
6932.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
因為公共電力網給我營業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
6932.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
6934.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
場所電力我就營業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
6934.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
6936.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
公共電力網中斷我可能就營業中斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
6936.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
6938.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
我只要把顧客疏散 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
6938.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
6940.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
好就好但是製造 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
6940.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
6942.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
業他不同我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
6942.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
6944.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
減輕公共電力網的負荷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
6944.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
6946.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
希望大電力用戶你要的電 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
6946.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
6948.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
自己發所以這是增加了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
6948.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
6950.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
自備發電這樣的要求是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
6950.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
6952.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
這個原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
6952.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
6954.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
也有增加韌性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
6954.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
6956.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
減輕公共電網的負荷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
6956.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
6958.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
讓電網的韌性提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
6958.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
6960.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
所以這種情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
6960.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
6962.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
過去的傳統備援會用什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
6962.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
6964.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
才有電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
6964.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
6966.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
你看你後面那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
6966.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
6968.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
擴音器後面那個緊急照明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
6968.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
6970.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
他用什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
6969.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
6971.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
他接去電池啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
6971.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
6973.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
他接我們現在的電力把他充電 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
6973.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
6975.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
萬一我們現在電力斷了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
6975.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
6977.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
他裡面的充電的電池就怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
6977.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
6979.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
就讓他發光是不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
6979.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
6981.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
備援電力一般就是用電池 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
6981.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
6983.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
不然就是用柴油發電 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
6983.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
6985.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
可是柴油發電有沒有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
6984.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
6986.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
有風險啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
6986.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
6988.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
過去在我們屏東的安胎醫院又發生什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
6988.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
6990.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
他把柴油發電的備援電力在颱風天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
6990.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
6992.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
他放在不該放的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
6992.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
6994.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
引發了這些悲劇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
6994.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
6996.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
我們很遺憾他有噪音有空污 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
6996.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
6998.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
有光暗的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
6998.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
7000.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
所以備援電力的設備選項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
7001.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
7003.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
我們其實雖然涉及到的是其他的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
7003.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
7005.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
但是經濟部要有個明確的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
7005.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
7007.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
部長你是不是認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
7007.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
7009.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
未來我們的備援電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
7009.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
7011.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
緊急備援應該要有新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
7011.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
7013.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
想法減少這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
7013.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
7015.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
有危害性的這些設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
7017.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
7019.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
所以報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
7019.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
7021.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
為什麼我們還是要跟這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
7021.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
7023.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
利害關係的人做一些討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
7023.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
7025.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
原則上來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
7025.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
7027.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
的確你剛才提到的備援的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
7027.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
7029.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
跟我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
7029.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
7031.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
自備電力是有一點點差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
7031.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
7033.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
不是有一點很大的差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
7033.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
7035.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
7035.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
7037.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
基於我們的緊急備援電力裝置的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
7037.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
7039.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
裝置容量會記錄我們自備的電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
7039.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
7041.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
容量用途不是不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
7041.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
7043.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
自備電力是你經常性持續性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
7043.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
7045.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
滿足你自己常態性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
7045.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
7047.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
需求 舉例來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
7047.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
7049.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
我考過上次之前考過農業部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
7049.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
7051.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
燃料電子它到底是儲能還是發電裝置 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
7053.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
7055.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
燃料電子是發電式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
7055.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
7057.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
所以很多人看到電池以為它是儲能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
7057.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
7059.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
它是發電裝置 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
7059.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
7061.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
當然相較於柴油的備援電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
7061.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
7063.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
它有它的不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
7063.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
7065.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
一個趨勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
7065.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
7067.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
選項 那麼它相較於鋰電池的儲能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
7067.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
7069.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].text |
它也有它不同的優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
7069.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
7071.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
簡單講柴電呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
7071.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
7073.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
因為儲存高揮發性的燃料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
7073.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
7075.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
容有火警的危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
7075.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
7077.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
儲能一般的鋰電有高溫的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
7077.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
7079.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
燃料電子它相對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
7079.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
7081.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
它沒有柴油發電的噪音 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
7081.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
7083.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
它沒有空污 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
7083.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
7085.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
它也沒有鋰電池的那樣的高溫自然的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
7085.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
7087.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
這種情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
7087.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
7089.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
但是目前我們對於緊急備援 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
7089.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
7091.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
的柴油發電或者是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].start |
7091.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
7093.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
鋰電池的儲能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].start |
7093.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
7095.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
我們有在建築的相關法規上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
7095.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
7097.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].text |
有相關的配套是不是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
7097.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
7099.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
舉例來講我舉例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
7099.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
7101.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
按照目前我們的電業相關規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
7101.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
7103.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
你的緊急備援的柴油發電必須設在一樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
7104.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].end |
7106.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
你不能放在地下室也不能放在高樓層 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
7106.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].end |
7108.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
安太醫院又是犯了這個錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
7108.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
7110.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
請問一下燃料電子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
7111.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].end |
7113.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].text |
不能放在地下室 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
7112.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].end |
7114.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
可不可以放在高樓層 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
7114.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
7116.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
有沒有去做過相關的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
7116.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
7118.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
他好像沒有這樣的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
7118.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
7120.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].text |
他都沒有限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
7121.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
7123.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
沒有好像沒有限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
7123.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
7125.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].text |
但是他雖然沒有限制但是他有一個條件的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
7125.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
7127.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
什麼事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
7127.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
7129.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
他要拉天然氣管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
7129.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
7131.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
對他需要輸氣管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
7131.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
7133.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
所以說如果未來的用戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
7133.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
7135.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
他沒有輸氣管的預先配置 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
7135.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
7137.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
他想要選擇這個燃料電子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
7137.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
7139.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
來做為儲能也好做為發電也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
7139.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
7141.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
免受於柴油發電的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
7141.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
7143.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
不方便免受於鋰電儲能的不方便 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
7143.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
7145.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
他卻因為原來的規劃沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
7145.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
7147.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
所以他不能做是不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
7149.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
7151.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
經濟部有沒有跟你們相關的部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
7151.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
7153.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
去做研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
7155.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
7157.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
就是天然氣管線的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
7157.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
7159.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
是的天然氣管線的規則管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
7160.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
7162.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
7161.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
7163.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
7178.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
7180.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
沒有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
7181.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
7183.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
綠電獎金那是另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
7183.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
7185.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
7185.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
7187.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
所以我們了解未來要符合世界潮流趨勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
7187.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
7189.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
我們大電力用戶鼓勵他用綠電 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
7189.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
7191.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
7191.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
7193.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
燃料電子他用的是低碳電力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
7193.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
7195.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
那如果他這樣碳捕捉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
7195.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
7197.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
他有沒有在未來我們能源使用上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
7197.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
7199.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
給予一些不同於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
7199.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
7201.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
綠電的優惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
7201.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
7203.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
書長你來說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
7203.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
7205.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
他如果LNG有加上碳捕捉的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
7205.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
7207.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
基本上他就是無碳的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
7207.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
7209.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
我們可以把他列入為低碳的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
7209.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
7211.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
對對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
7211.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
7213.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
所以未來如果能源署有制定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
7213.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
7215.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
我們事業單位他使用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
7215.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
7217.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
綠電的獎勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
7217.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
7219.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
那麼純綠電大家會想到是氫能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
7219.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
7221.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
光電風電 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
7221.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
7223.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
但是呢使用LNG的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
7223.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
7225.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
燃料電池他是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
7225.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
7227.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
低碳電力未來是不是也會給他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
7227.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
7229.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
雖然不像純綠電那麼高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
7229.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
7231.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
優惠也會給他一定的優惠會這樣考慮嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
7232.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
7234.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
我們會試同啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
7234.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
7236.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
他如果說他有碳捕捉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
7236.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
7238.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
把產生的碳捕捉下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
7238.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
7240.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
我們會試同他是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
7240.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].end |
7242.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].text |
綠電是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
7242.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].end |
7244.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
是可以這樣子好那我們來看一看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
7244.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
7246.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
現在最夯的就是AI啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
7246.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
7248.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
我們不只在台灣我到其他國家去訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
7248.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
7250.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
他們也在討論AI |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
7250.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
7252.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
這個算力中心可以放在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
7252.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
7254.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
到處要搶電 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
7254.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
7256.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
事實上我之前有跟我們書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
7256.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
7258.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
還有我們的原管局請教了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
7258.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
7260.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
設在高雄還是設在屏東 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
7260.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
7262.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
這個算力中心他第一個考量是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
7262.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
7264.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
電力供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
7263.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
7265.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
所以這種情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
7265.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
7267.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
這些算力中心可以設置在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
7267.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
7269.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
你們會不會去做一些法規的盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
7271.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
7273.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
會啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
7273.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
7275.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
最後主席站起來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
7275.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
7277.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
所以我希望我們部長跟署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
7277.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
7279.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
因應我們這次能管法的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
7279.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
7281.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
你們要清楚的闡明我們自備發電的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
7281.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
7283.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
政策用意是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
7283.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
7285.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
我們未來緊急備援的裝置選項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
7285.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
7287.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
可以做什麼調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
7287.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
7289.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
以及相關的法規配套 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
7289.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
7291.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
先去盤點因為有的涉及公安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
7291.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
7293.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
有的涉及消防有的涉及都計 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
7293.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
7295.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
甚至相關的配置 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
7295.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
7297.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
像天然氣管線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
7297.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
7299.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
要怎麼樣趕快的去配屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
7299.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
7301.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
所以說我們未來AI算力中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
7301.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
7303.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
可以放在哪裡是不是請經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
7303.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
7305.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
做一個全盤的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
7305.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
7307.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
評估之後有一個明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
7307.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
7309.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
跟社會訴求不是只是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
7309.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
7311.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
能源管理法當中做一些局部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
7311.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
7313.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
修改讓大家只見其數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
7313.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
7315.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
不見其靈可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].start |
7315.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
7317.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
7316.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
7318.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
好謝謝中央立委精彩的諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
7318.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
7320.95 |
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7590.81 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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7608.81 |
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主席 |
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7610.81 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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7614.81 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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主席 |
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7638.81 |
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7640.87 |
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主席 |
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7640.87 |
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7642.87 |
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主席 |
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7642.87 |
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7644.87 |
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主席 |
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7644.87 |
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7646.87 |
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主席 |
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7646.87 |
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7647.87 |
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產發署 |
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7647.87 |
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7650.87 |
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我再跟你討論一件事情 |
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7650.87 |
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7653.87 |
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因為產業競爭力的輔導團 |
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7653.87 |
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7654.87 |
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既然我們在電力方面 |
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7654.87 |
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7656.87 |
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我們也一直在努力 |
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7656.87 |
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7658.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
但是我們看到輔導團的成果 |
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7658.87 |
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7659.87 |
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你們都告訴我們 |
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輔導了9000多家 |
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7661.87 |
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7665.87 |
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9249家要來企業要導入AI |
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7665.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
7668.87 |
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也宣示說AI是我們台灣產業裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
7668.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
7670.87 |
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非常重要的共同能力 |
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7670.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
7672.87 |
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我們希望帶動整個 |
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7672.87 |
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7674.87 |
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百工百業的加速轉型 |
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7674.87 |
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7676.87 |
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那要百工百業的加速轉型 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
7676.87 |
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7679.87 |
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甚至我上次特別跟部長討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
7679.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
7684.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
唯中小明年要來執行的怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
7684.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
7687.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
讓我們八成的這些唯中小能夠跟 |
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7687.87 |
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7690.87 |
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不管是AI不管半導體 |
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7690.87 |
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7692.87 |
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可以串聯起來 |
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7692.87 |
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7694.87 |
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這才是真正台灣產業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
7694.87 |
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7697.87 |
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一個大提升跟大贏家 |
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7697.87 |
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7699.87 |
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就非常的重要 |
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7699.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
7701.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
但是我們又看到您的白皮書 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
7701.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
7703.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
2025年中小企業的這個白皮書 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
7703.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
7704.87 |
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白皮書你顯示 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
7704.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
7707.87 |
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高達93.1%的中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
7707.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
7711.87 |
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他表示我沒有規劃要招攬AI的人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
7711.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
7712.87 |
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你不僅如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
7712.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
7714.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
你在你經濟部自己最新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
7714.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
7718.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
工廠校正跟營利的調查當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
7718.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
7721.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
你也指出了你自己指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
7721.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
7724.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
AI帶動的成長主要集中在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
7724.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
7726.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
資訊電子產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].start |
7726.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].end |
7730.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].text |
全國的勞動員工總共有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
7730.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].end |
7735.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].text |
總共有856.7萬名的僱員當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
7735.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].end |
7738.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].text |
只有85萬人受惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
7738.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].end |
7740.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
換句話說到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].start |
7740.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].end |
7743.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].text |
部長到目前為止九成的勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].start |
7743.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].end |
7748.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].text |
他感受不到AI的帶來的經濟紅利 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].start |
7748.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].end |
7750.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].text |
所以本席就覺得很奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].start |
7750.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].end |
7751.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].text |
你們一邊告訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].start |
7751.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].end |
7753.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].text |
你有九千多家了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].start |
7753.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].end |
7755.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].text |
但是你自己的中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].start |
7755.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].end |
7757.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].text |
白皮書已經經濟部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].start |
7757.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].end |
7761.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].text |
工廠的校正資料裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].start |
7762.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].end |
7766.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].text |
又是葡萄一層的員工以及企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].start |
7766.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].end |
7768.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].text |
他們願意要這麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].start |
7768.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].end |
7770.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].text |
其中的原因到底出在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].start |
7770.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].end |
7771.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].text |
斷點在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].start |
7771.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].end |
7772.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].text |
請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].start |
7772.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].end |
7773.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].text |
是 報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].start |
7773.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].end |
7776.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].text |
因為這個應該是有一點time lag |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].start |
7776.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].end |
7779.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].text |
就是原先那個調查是2025年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].start |
7779.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].end |
7782.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].text |
那調查2025年之前的一些相關的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].start |
7782.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].end |
7784.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].text |
然後做一個彙整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].start |
7784.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].end |
7785.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].text |
那我們努力是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].start |
7786.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].end |
7787.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].text |
我們會繼續努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].start |
7787.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].end |
7788.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].text |
積極的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
7788.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].end |
7790.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].text |
讓更多的人可以受惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
7790.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].end |
7791.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].text |
那基本上來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].start |
7791.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].end |
7793.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].text |
如果是以微型企業的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].start |
7793.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].end |
7795.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].text |
他要養一個AI人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].start |
7795.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].end |
7796.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].text |
大概也是不太可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].start |
7796.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].end |
7798.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].text |
但是我們希望讓他們可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
7799.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].end |
7801.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].text |
運用AI的工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
7801.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].end |
7802.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].text |
他們可以知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
7802.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].end |
7807.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].text |
怎麼改善他們來電的客群人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].start |
7807.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].end |
7809.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].text |
或者是等等一些情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].start |
7809.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
7812.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].text |
或者是他的設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
7812.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].end |
7814.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].text |
可以導入一些AI的設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].start |
7814.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].end |
7816.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].text |
你這邊回答沒有針對本席的提問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
7816.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
7819.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
因為你在2025年調查之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
7819.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
7822.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
你今天就是因為有九千多家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
7822.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
7825.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
九千兩百四十九家的中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
7825.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
7827.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].text |
接受你們輔導團的輔導 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
7827.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
7830.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
輔導之後你的結果是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
7830.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
7831.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
你要針對問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
7831.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
7833.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
你不是只有美化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
7833.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
7835.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
這個沒有辦法解決問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
7835.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
7837.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
你剛剛也特別說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
7837.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
7839.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
中小企業如果各自要去轉型 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
7839.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
7842.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
你的嘴巴當中講出來是有困難的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
7842.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
7845.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
這有困難就是我們要點出的問題點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
7845.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
7847.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
政府要怎麼協助他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
7847.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
7850.94 |
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你的輔導團九千多家的成果 |
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是九成沒有得到這個紅利 |
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那接下來要怎麼樣去協助 |
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這個中小企業產業 |
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就是輔導團是從去年的10月開始 |
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那我們會做一個最新的統計 |
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讓這個委員知道說 |
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這個輔導團他實質是一個效益 |
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第一個你做最新的統計 |
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本席也認可 |
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但是在統計出來 |
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我們要怎麼樣應對去解決那個問題 |
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陳鋒你嘴巴說的 |
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他自己各自要去轉回AI是有困難 |
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政府的立場 |
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政府的責任在哪裡 |
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要怎麼去輔導 |
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其實所有的預算都是人民的納稅錢 |
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這個務必一定要去做清楚 |
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輔導真正落實我們中小企業的 |
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輔助機制出來 |
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對不對 |
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那你多久時間可以去統計出來 |
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一個月可以嗎 |
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怎麼要這麼久呢 |
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你就已經陷入了 |
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因為你只能做普遍性的調查 |
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因為如果針對九千多家 |
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一個月將你的最新資訊拿出來 |
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應用方案你要拿出來 |
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協助我們的中小企業 |
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謝謝楊承斌委員時間掌握非常好 |
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謝謝 |
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謝謝 |
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好 登記發言文除不在場之外區域區域發言完畢 |
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我們訊帶結束 |
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由委員謝一鳳、傅崑錡 |
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參與所提書面質詢我們列入紀錄 |
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再加一個張家俊 |
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所提書面質詢列入紀錄 |
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7945.34 |
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書面質詢及未解答的部分請相關單位 |
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7947.34 |
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一週內書面答复並複製本會 |
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委員另有要求其間者重新鎖定 |
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好 |
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7954.34 |
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本日討論事項所列一成能源管理法部分條文 |
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修正草案 |
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詢答完畢 |
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我們定期繼續進行審查 |
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7961.34 |
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大家辛苦了 |
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7963.48 |
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今天散會 |
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7977.78 |
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再見 |
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7979.62 |
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11點過去了 |